Line | Speaker | St Time | Content | En Time |
1 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 0.5348 | Oh, okay. | 1.1316 |
2 | ROC_int_01 | 1.4157 | <laugh> | 1.9706 |
3 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 2.4089 | Um, | 2.9473 |
5 | | 4.4839 | <ts> | 4.5492 |
7 | | 4.6658 | So, but in, in terms like the impact on the students, | 7.0426 |
9 | | 7.1313 | um, | 7.5790 |
11 | | 9.4124 | I- Pittsford work | 10.4021 |
13 | | 10.5280 | cr- has created almost a bubble. | 11.6705 |
15 | | 12.2667 | Where, | 13.0384 |
17 | | 13.9733 | you'll have kids who've traveled all of the world who go to these schools. | 18.2236 |
19 | | 18.6684 | But, have no concept of diversity. They have no concept of | 21.5127 |
21 | | 22.1935 | Uh, uh, of- | 23.0082 |
23 | | 23.1312 | of struggling. | 23.7043 |
25 | | 24.3944 | Um, | 24.9761 |
27 | | 26.0772 | or what, what real struggling might look like. | 28.3987 |
29 | | 29.0515 | And, so, | 30.3338 |
31 | | 32.4170 | their opinions of the world become very solidified, very quickly. | 35.4385 |
33 | | 35.9794 | Um, | 36.5436 |
35 | | 36.6637 | supported by th- | 37.8667 |
37 | | 38.7807 | uh, | 39.2563 |
39 | | 41.3779 | a gilded cage if you will. | 43.0486 |
41 | | 43.8226 | Um, | 44.5081 |
43 | | 45.6979 | and so, | 46.2575 |
45 | | 47.3113 | their | 48.0527 |
47 | | 48.2625 | interactions and the way they handle themselves, then propagates the same mentality that the town has, | 52.3173 |
49 | | 52.5910 | which is what they want. | 53.6657 |
51 | | 54.1226 | Whereas, | 55.2406 |
53 | | 55.6838 | like, if you, if you talk to somebody, | 57.2408 |
55 | | 57.9714 | um, | 58.5584 |
57 | | 58.9961 | from Pittsford or even | 60.3903 |
59 | | 60.8752 | at Honeyway. Two years ago, I had the chance to long term sub for them when I moved back to town. | 64.4617 |
61 | | 65.2264 | And, it was about three weeks after, | 67.4338 |
63 | | 67.7369 | it was three weeks before | 69.0052 |
65 | | 69.7373 | the Baltimore riots occurred. | 71.3058 |
66 | ROC_int_01 | 71.5624 | Hm. | 71.7245 |
67 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 72.0146 | Now, to put things in perspective, where Freddie Gray was arrested was about eight blocks south of the school that I was teaching at. | 76.3107 |
69 | | 76.8423 | And, where the riots broke out that Monday, was about | 79.6075 |
71 | | 80.0598 | my school was two blocks, no. | 81.5381 |
73 | | 82.0044 | three blocks south. | 82.8025 |
75 | | 83.4861 | So, you talk about | 84.3647 |
77 | | 84.8476 | about a ten block stretch | 86.3818 |
79 | | 87.0159 | less than three miles | 88.4754 |
81 | | 88.9510 | where all this chaos is, and there's | 90.9370 |
83 | | 91.6073 | three major high schools | 92.9968 |
85 | | 93.1647 | in that area. | 93.9667 |
87 | | 94.2463 | And a m- | 94.6784 |
89 | | 94.8137 | little mall. | 95.3762 |
91 | | 96.3274 | Um. | 96.9429 |
93 | | 99.6089 | And, | 100.0659 |
95 | | 100.2337 | I was teaching AP government to a bunch of kids at Honeyway, and I had to explain to them, like, | 103.9243 |
97 | | 104.6495 | Why is this happening? | 106.2384 |
99 | | 106.7420 | Like, what does it take for a kid in Baltimore to go to high school? | 109.8661 |
101 | | 110.5469 | Like, | 110.6579 |
103 | | 110.7803 | what are the struggles that they may face? And, for a lot of them, | 113.3202 |
105 | | 114.0569 | this was | 114.5954 |
107 | | 115.1497 | these are challenges that they don't even think about. | 116.9217 |
108 | ROC_int_01 | 117.3412 | Mm-hm. | 117.7521 |
109 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 117.7521 | I was like, alright. | 118.3489 |
110 | | 118.4696 | You wake up at seven AM, even though school starts at seven fifteen because | 122.5510 |
112 | | 122.9531 | your alarm didn't go off, because your power went out, because | 125.6331 |
114 | | 126.2766 | m- mom didn't have enough money to pay the bill. | 128.0765 |
116 | | 128.5276 | So, now you're late getting to school. | 130.3742 |
118 | | 130.8777 | And, now you have to catch buses, which may take you anywhere from forty-five minutes to an hour to get to school. | 134.8226 |
120 | | 135.3716 | Or, you're walking, but if you walk, you're going through dangerous neighborhoods. | 138.3326 |
122 | | 139.3258 | Um. | 139.8395 |
124 | | 140.8261 | That type of reality, that type of experience | 142.7752 |
126 | | 143.2974 | again, | 143.6425 |
128 | | 143.7544 | that gilded cage they were sheltered from. | 145.2838 |
130 | | 145.9993 | So, | 146.5008 |
132 | | 149.5306 | places like Pittsford, | 150.5704 |
134 | | 150.6916 | like Brighton, they work very hard to | 152.6420 |
136 | | 154.8697 | k- | 154.9303 |
138 | | 155.0981 | T- to | 155.4572 |
140 | | 155.5924 | by, like I said, to create that cage. | 157.1358 |
141 | ROC_int_01 | 157.4902 | Mm-hm. | 157.8772 |
142 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 157.8772 | A- because they want to protect their children, like anybody does, but | 160.5078 |
143 | | 161.0347 | it has its | 161.8088 |
145 | | 162.7915 | social impact as well. | 163.7847 |
147 | | 164.8065 | Whereas, I think | 165.8976 |
149 | | 166.5505 | places like Greece, like Gates, a little more honest about what the world is doing and like, what's going on, and they're a little more open to it. Because, one, they have to be | 173.7418 |
151 | | 174.6432 | and- and, | 175.8602 |
153 | | 177.4596 | two, | 178.0705 |
155 | | 178.2057 | I think they're just | 178.8865 |
157 | | 179.1744 | they don't care as much. [<laugh>] | 181.1468 |
158 | ROC_int_01 | 180.5220 | [Mm-hm.] | 180.9277 |
159 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 181.7722 | So | 182.1832 |
161 | | 182.9712 | That's, | 183.4841 |
163 | | 183.7732 | that was my upbringing. Realizing Pittsford's a lovely place to live | 186.4283 |
165 | | 187.0671 | but sometimes, it's difficult to | 188.4546 |
167 | | 189.1866 | bond with people. | 190.1519 |
168 | ROC_int_01 | 190.2578 | Mm-hm. | 190.6627 |
170 | | 191.0478 | Yeah. | 191.3685 |
172 | | 192.0737 | Yeah, okay. | 193.0109 |
174 | | 193.2947 | And, | 193.9449 |
176 | | 194.6034 | I guess if you had to think of, um, | 196.9908 |
178 | | 197.6669 | any major changes that has | 199.2663 |
180 | | 199.4621 | that have happened across the course of your life in Rochester, would you feel like | 203.1913 |
182 | | 203.4307 | like are some major things that have | 205.1825 |
184 | | 205.5923 | changed? | 206.3034 |
186 | | 206.8606 | Um, well across the city. It doesn't matter where you locate the case. | 209.6975 |
187 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 209.6975 | Um. | 210.1321 |
188 | | 213.3029 | What I've noticed | 214.2075 |
190 | | 214.3194 | is | 214.7251 |
192 | | 215.5784 | So I'll hit it from different perspectives, in- | 217.3486 |
194 | | 217.4792 | in coming back, what I've noticed in terms of- | 219.2045 |
196 | | 219.3164 | of | 219.6987 |
198 | | 220.6861 | government spending and the government handling | 222.3881 |
200 | | 222.5560 | um, especially in the counties. | 223.8709 |
202 | | 225.0786 | Two winters ago, | 225.9290 |
204 | | 226.4437 | we had one of the worst winters we've had in a long time. | 228.4347 |
206 | | 230.2672 | But, we also had the ice storm. | 231.4631 |
208 | | 232.3038 | and, when I was a kid in ninety-one, and we went through the ice storm, no one ever was concerned about running out of salt. | 236.8361 |
209 | ROC_int_01 | 237.4773 | Mm. | 237.8689 |
210 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 237.9575 | You know, the idea that, | 238.8575 |
212 | | 238.9647 | that snow removal, was not | 240.7164 |
214 | | 241.0795 | an | 241.2101 |
216 | | 241.3192 | issue. We were, we were b- ha- prepared to handle that. | 243.8278 |
218 | | 244.5226 | Um. | 245.1381 |
220 | | 247.2073 | But, | 247.5243 |
222 | | 248.1072 | two years ago, and then this past year, which was a very light winter, | 251.1406 |
224 | | 251.5696 | there was still concern that we may not be able to move | 253.7345 |
226 | | 253.9350 | remove snow. | 254.8956 |
228 | | 255.5286 | I'm thinking w- the area that we're living in, how is our- our sp- what is going on with our government spending that | 260.4340 |
230 | | 261.5204 | something as crucial as snow removal | 263.1937 |
232 | | 263.3894 | for us to be functioning for a [good,] especially from say, | 266.4099 |
233 | ROC_int_01 | 264.8461 | [Mm-hm.] | 265.2647 |
234 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 266.5923 | late January into early March. | 268.6729 |
236 | | 269.8705 | N- That shouldn't be a negotiation. | 271.7472 |
238 | | 271.9710 | That should be handled. | 273.4884 |
239 | ROC_int_01 | 273.5424 | Mm-hm. | 274.1113 |
240 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 274.2174 | Um, | 274.7443 |
242 | | 274.8562 | and the fact that, that was, tells me that | 276.8828 |
244 | | 277.4051 | the handling of- of | 279.0262 |
246 | | 279.8037 | local politics has has gotten very dicey. | 282.4942 |
247 | ROC_int_01 | 282.6777 | Mm-hm. | 283.1516 |
248 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 283.1516 | Um, | 283.6827 |
249 | | 284.0644 | very combative and I think it's a microcosm of what's going on at the national level. Where | 288.2563 |
250 | ROC_int_01 | 288.4894 | Mm-hm. | 288.7226 |
251 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 289.0572 | both sides would be able to compromise to say, alright | 291.3047 |
253 | | 291.4470 | you know what? I don't like you, you don't like me, but we need money for this | 293.9978 |
255 | | 294.2770 | to pay for it. | 294.9858 |
257 | | 295.4569 | Where now, it's | 296.8557 |
259 | | 297.3022 | well, I don't like you, you don't like me, so we're just gonna let this- | 299.7330 |
261 | | 300.4263 | don't touch that. | 301.1375 |
263 | | 303.1437 | We're just gonna let things | 304.6946 |
265 | | 305.4313 | go. | 305.9163 |
267 | | 306.5784 | Um. | 307.2143 |
269 | | 308.9342 | I think, from a, [from a social perspective,] | 310.8274 |
271 | | 311.3636 | [I've noticed] there's been a lot of. | 313.4691 |
273 | | 313.9494 | There's a l- a great more diversity, [especially on the westside, because] | 316.7001 |
275 | | 317.3343 | [you have] | 318.3201 |
277 | | 319.0154 | um. | 319.5872 |
279 | | 321.0473 | What you have is | 322.2923 |
281 | | 322.9451 | capable people of color | 324.2320 |
283 | | 324.4932 | who | 324.9175 |
285 | | 325.0387 | are tired of a city. | 326.1112 |
287 | | 326.8328 | Whatever their reason may be. | 328.1431 |
289 | | 329.0477 | Who have jobs that are giving them enough wealth to [move out.] | 332.8125 |
291 | | 333.3258 | W- and they're, but, | 334.3563 |
293 | | 335.0091 | because of property taxes, because of the way the | 337.1542 |
295 | | 337.2522 | eastside has set itself up, | 338.2454 |
297 | | 338.6697 | they're pushing north, and they're pushing west. | 340.6697 |
299 | | 341.0567 | So, they're moving into Gates, they're moving into Greece, they're moving into Irondequoit. | 344.1473 |
301 | | 344.5856 | Which, is gen- changing | 345.7093 |
303 | | 346.2025 | the demographics of these areas, which is then making them [start to ask] questions | 349.8132 |
305 | | 350.3011 | they didn't have to ask. | 351.5416 |
307 | | 351.9892 | The fact that Spencerport was trying to deal with urban [suburban] | 354.6625 |
309 | | 355.1521 | um, commuting, | 356.1359 |
311 | | 356.8608 | um, | 357.4558 |
313 | | 358.1571 | you know, last year. I was like, that's amazing, but | 360.5684 |
315 | | 360.6943 | the other part that | 361.4637 |
317 | | 361.9067 | that cracks me up about that is | 363.6017 |
319 | | 365.6265 | you're arguing over urban, suburban. And not because | 368.1125 |
321 | | 368.3550 | of the issue of | 369.4913 |
323 | | 370.9930 | the impact that it's gonna have on the diversity of your community. | 373.3105 |
325 | | 373.7861 | The- but I mean, that was they were arguing over. | 375.3780 |
327 | | 375.8602 | The only argum- | 376.4478 |
329 | | 376.6016 | The only justifiable point you have against [urban suburban in Spencerport] is, | 379.9509 |
331 | | 380.9220 | do you really wanna | 381.9407 |
333 | | 383.0606 | change the kids lives that much, that you have to pull that- | 385.6669 |
335 | | 385.9048 | Like, getting to Spencerport from the city is not an easy haul. <laugh> | 389.2242 |
336 | ROC_int_01 | 389.2242 | Mm-hm. | 389.6349 |
337 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 389.6940 | And, I'm like, | 390.2302 |
339 | | 390.4867 | you're gonna be telling kids, you need to get up at five | 392.6130 |
341 | | 393.0280 | maybe four-thirty in the morning to catch a bus to get to school on time. I said, | 397.0604 |
343 | | 397.3588 | in my mind, that's the problem. Because of the impact that it has on the student. | 400.5796 |
345 | | 401.2447 | But, the diversity of the impact it'll have on, on your kids, the social growth they'll [have] | 405.2948 |
346 | ROC_int_01 | 405.1579 | [Mm-hm.] | 405.5916 |
347 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 405.8310 | is exponential, so who cares about that? But, people were, | 408.5216 |
349 | | 410.0606 | uh, the dark side of their prejudices were coming out. | 412.7325 |
351 | | 413.4401 | An- and | 414.5825 |
353 | | 415.8088 | that's a- another thing that I've noticed. | 417.7859 |
355 | | 417.9071 | From a social perspective, | 419.1475 |
357 | | 420.4519 | <ts> | 420.5846 |
359 | | 421.9954 | and, maybe I'm just more aware of it because I'm older. | 424.0523 |
360 | ROC_int_01 | 424.3096 | [Mm-hm.] | 424.6640 |
361 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 429.0974 | /RD-NAME-2/ can you turn down my [phone please?] | 430.7278 |
362 | ROC_int_01 | 430.3357 | [That's nice.] | 430.8401 |
363 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 432.2041 | Um. | 432.7487 |
365 | | 433.6440 | but, | 433.8165 |
367 | | 434.1149 | prejudices | 435.1105 |
369 | | 436.3402 | that I'd been taught existed, | 438.2846 |
371 | | 441.9819 | as I've gotten older, I've learned to recognize them. | 444.0616 |
373 | | 445.2728 | Um. | 445.9447 |
375 | | 448.1451 | It always reminds me of a- of a | 449.6699 |
377 | | 450.6299 | I think it was Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle made a- some skit about, you ever see something so racist | 454.3071 |
379 | | 454.7819 | where you just stop and you go, wow. | 456.2152 |
381 | | 456.9805 | That was really racist. Like, you didn't get- m- you didn't get mad, you didn't get upset. You were just blown away by just | 461.3608 |
383 | | 461.6592 | how racist it was. | 462.7923 |
385 | | 463.1514 | And, I've had like | 463.7296 |
387 | | 464.2005 | reflecting upon my childhood and I'm like, I've had a couple of those experiences, but I just didn't realize | 468.1326 |
389 | | 468.7477 | what it was because it wasn't the- the stereotypical | 471.7181 |
391 | | 472.3465 | guy in a white sheet or the, the burning cross, or the lyn- | 475.0931 |
393 | | 475.3263 | like it wasn't that, [but it was] | 476.9490 |
394 | ROC_int_01 | 476.2426 | [Mm-hm.] | 476.8091 |
395 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 477.6928 | um, | 478.2878 |
397 | | 478.8259 | a systematic undertone of how somebody treated somebody else or treated me, or said something to me. | 482.8825 |
399 | | 483.7452 | Um. | 484.2814 |
401 | | 485.8948 | That | 486.3055 |
403 | | 486.8320 | now that I'm older, I can recognize that. | 488.8184 |
405 | | 489.3348 | Which helps me | 490.3747 |
407 | | 490.5146 | gauge my response a little bit better. | 491.9861 |
409 | | 492.6502 | Turn it down. | 493.1258 |
411 | | 494.4267 | <ts> | 494.5013 |
413 | | 495.0049 | Um. | 495.4852 |
415 | | 496.3187 | I think the | 496.6731 |
417 | | 496.8316 | m-. | 496.9389 |
419 | | 497.9554 | One example that really stood out to me was, | 499.7460 |
421 | | 500.1983 | think it was my | 500.5340 |
423 | | 500.7252 | ch- sophomore, junior year of college. | 502.9369 |
425 | | 503.6496 | And it was | 504.1951 |
427 | | 504.3490 | spring semester. | 505.2711 |
429 | | 506.0405 | <ts> | 506.1011 |
431 | | 506.2643 | And | 507.1533 |
433 | | 508.6023 | I was running an errand for my mother on the way back to campus. So, I stop by her house in the morning, have breakfast, hang out, see how she's doing. | 513.9352 |
435 | | 514.4048 | And, she's like, can you | 515.5891 |
437 | | 516.0787 | uh, pay this bill for me | 517.1419 |
439 | | 517.3097 | at | 517.5522 |
441 | | 517.8087 | Macy's or Bon-ton, whatever. One of them. | 519.4421 |
443 | | 519.9408 | I was like, yeah, yeah. No problem mom, it's | 521.2837 |
445 | | 521.4142 | it's on the way back to campus. | 522.6453 |
447 | | 523.9462 | So, she gives me the money, she gives me her bill, | 525.6681 |
449 | | 526.0458 | and I run over there | 527.1929 |
451 | | 527.3188 | and I go to pay the bill. | 528.2748 |
453 | | 529.3012 | And, | 530.0753 |
455 | | 531.1513 | this woman, she's standing behind me and she's in a, | 533.7252 |
457 | | 534.2754 | you can tell it's a high end | 535.3091 |
459 | | 535.6682 | designer coat. | 536.3966 |
461 | | 537.1352 | Um. | 537.7361 |
463 | | 539.6843 | And I just go through the process, you know. M- | 541.0606 |
465 | | 541.1830 | I need to pay this bill for my mother. Thank you. | 543.2417 |
467 | | 543.7709 | And I'm so- and then this woman stops me eh- whe- | 546.2705 |
469 | | 546.4383 | So, I'm about to walk and she stops me, goes you are just so | 549.1510 |
471 | | 549.6546 | articulate. Where are you from? | 551.9580 |
473 | | 553.1913 | And at that- and I was a little bit older at that point when I realized, | 555.7328 |
475 | | 557.1640 | why are you stopping me? | 558.5009 |
477 | | 558.8600 | Why does my ability to speak matter to you? | 561.5568 |
479 | | 562.1203 | And, I realized because | 563.9435 |
481 | | 565.6082 | she had prejudice an- on thinking about African Americans | 568.4814 |
483 | | 568.6399 | speak. And I said, well oh I'm from Pittsford. | 571.2913 |
485 | | 572.3296 | She goes, oh. | 573.3996 |
487 | | 574.0850 | And the conversations stop because the moment I said Pittsford, she was like, oh. | 577.2138 |
489 | | 578.5556 | You're a good one. <laughs> | 580.8682 |
490 | ROC_int_01 | 581.0914 | [Mm-hm.] | 581.5152 |
491 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 581.3975 | [And-] And it was just like, | 582.8556 |
492 | | 584.1313 | wow. You just. | 584.9659 |
494 | | 585.7306 | Like, | 585.9451 |
496 | | 587.3766 | Her- her- her misconception was just so heavy. I was like, you know what, I don't even have time. | 591.2593 |
498 | | 591.8457 | To- to deconstruct | 593.4124 |
500 | | 594.2004 | how off | 595.2076 |
502 | | 595.8033 | you were, cause you thought that you were complimenting me. And I get that. | 598.2373 |
504 | | 598.9227 | And, you're coming from a place of- of | 600.5975 |
506 | | 601.9991 | ignorance cause you don't know, | 603.2907 |
508 | | 604.5264 | and not stupidity, where you do know, but you | 606.5641 |
510 | | 606.8205 | choose to ignore. | 607.9863 |
512 | | 608.6006 | Um. | 609.3653 |
514 | | 610.7502 | And, I think those two differences | 612.2750 |
516 | | 612.9045 | matter greatly. I think there's a lot more stupidity out there nowadays. | 615.8998 |
518 | | 616.3865 | And, when I was a child, there was a lot more ignorance. | 618.4988 |
520 | | 619.3550 | Um, | 619.8931 |
522 | | 620.9831 | in terms of an economic status, | 622.3773 |
524 | | 622.5079 | uh, | 623.0021 |
526 | | 623.6794 | what you notice is certain towns | 625.6984 |
528 | | 625.8243 | are sort of | 626.4118 |
530 | | 626.9061 | economically flat. | 627.9408 |
532 | | 628.8062 | And, especially- and the city's | 629.8297 |
534 | | 629.9556 | struggling with that, and has been for a while. But they were able to keep it kind of quiet. | 633.4984 |
536 | | 634.1774 | And then, the past ten or fifteen years, it's- it's now to point where | 638.0336 |
538 | | 638.3274 | you can't anymore. | 639.4376 |
540 | | 640.1774 | Because, | 641.0633 |
542 | | 643.4134 | when I was a kid, | 644.2653 |
544 | | 644.7692 | Edison was com- was competitive, Wilson was competitive. | 647.7080 |
546 | | 648.3190 | Um. | 648.9168 |
548 | | 649.3178 | You didn't question their graduation rates. You were like, yeah, it's the city, | 652.8590 |
550 | | 653.4704 | but those are schools that can perform. | 654.9826 |
552 | | 655.6795 | So, everyone just said, yeah, there's issues going on in the city, but the kids are performing. | 659.4098 |
554 | | 659.9647 | The moment | 660.8180 |
556 | | 661.8287 | No Child Left Behind hits, and then Race to the Top hits, and Regents | 665.6430 |
558 | | 665.9554 | adjustments hits, and graduation rates start dropping, | 668.9782 |
560 | | 669.3451 | and then, all of a sudden, people are like, well what's going on with these crime rates? | 672.6670 |
562 | | 673.2265 | Um. | 673.8980 |
564 | | 674.1719 | You begin to realize | 675.6734 |
566 | | 675.9392 | well, wait a minute. | 676.6060 |
568 | | 678.2747 | The school's, the city school district's not performing. What's going on? | 681.5542 |
570 | | 682.6746 | And, that, | 683.4114 |
572 | | 684.0455 | one, | 684.7363 |
574 | | 686.3257 | becomes | 687.1961 |
576 | | 687.4199 | the headline for the local news on a regular basis. | 690.0587 |
578 | | 690.4970 | Two, | 691.0379 |
580 | | 691.1825 | becomes sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. | 693.7339 |
582 | | 694.3074 | Uh, for those outside of the city who don't experience the city, they're like, well, the city's just | 698.4401 |
584 | | 699.0824 | messed over anyways because look at the schools. | 701.1201 |
586 | | 701.6331 | Um. | 702.1740 |
588 | | 703.2249 | <ts> | 703.3674 |
590 | | 704.0706 | Three, it puts them in a situation where | 706.2855 |
592 | | 706.9616 | um, | 707.4786 |
594 | | 708.4345 | now, they feel | 709.9266 |
596 | | 710.1038 | bad about themselves, | 711.3940 |
598 | | 711.9072 | and so, they don't think they can achieve. | 713.9781 |
600 | | 714.5138 | So, the city doesn't grow from that perspective. | 716.3463 |
602 | | 716.8674 | Uh. Four, | 717.8559 |
604 | | 719.1755 | then, the programs that you try to put into the city is | 722.0867 |
606 | | 722.9233 | you know. It's- it's, uh, now | 724.4108 |
608 | | 724.5833 | you're- it's bigger gamble than it's ever been. | 726.0708 |
610 | | 726.7049 | Cause now, who's the house that wins? Like, | 728.7626 |
612 | | 729.3332 | it's not like government officials are- | 730.3684 |
614 | | 730.5875 | are gambling on this, and they come out profiting on the back end. They're losing money too. | 734.4668 |
616 | | 734.9098 | And then, five, city policing | 736.5933 |
618 | | 737.0083 | compared to- to local policing. | 739.0066 |
620 | | 739.4169 | Um. | 739.9321 |
622 | | 740.5500 | When I was a kid, you | 741.6738 |
624 | | 741.8603 | you know, you had- | 742.4991 |
626 | | 742.7964 | before Duffy, you were talking about people- | 744.5916 |
628 | | 745.0905 | partners, walking the streets. | 746.4195 |
630 | | 746.7972 | Now it's partners in cars. Now it's individual cars. Now it's | 749.6959 |
632 | | 750.2852 | Well, we have these quadrants. Well, these quadrants turn into these sectors. And, | 753.7963 |
634 | | 754.4212 | well, are you actually getting to know the neighborhoods? No. An- | 757.3152 |
636 | | 757.7955 | And all of a sudden, it's this bust after this bust, after this bust. And like, | 760.7031 |
638 | | 761.8630 | the language and the way you- you handle people in the city | 764.1758 |
640 | | 765.1317 | is different | 765.7985 |
642 | | 765.9710 | than | 766.6299 |
644 | | 766.9530 | you used to. | 767.8455 |
646 | | 769.0940 | So, what caused that shift? | 770.6048 |
648 | | 772.5119 | Which then feeds into the surrounding suburbs because | 775.9426 |
650 | | 779.1691 | maybe it's just again because I'm older, there's a little bit, there's like | 782.0508 |
652 | | 782.4378 | civility. But, it's like aggressive civility. | 784.3875 |
654 | | 785.8738 | I think is the way to- | 786.5126 |
656 | | 786.6385 | that's a nice way of describing it. Where it's like, | 788.9606 |
658 | | 789.3109 | what are you doing here? | 790.1835 |
660 | | 790.9890 | Oh, okay, well just so you know, | 792.5091 |
662 | | 793.9126 | you know, you- you have to leave in the next five minutes. Oh, okay. | 796.6964 |
664 | | 797.7444 | I understand, but. | 798.6210 |
666 | | 798.8495 | <laugh> | 800.3806 |
667 | ROC_int_01 | 799.4837 | [Mm-hm.] | 800.1204 |
668 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 801.0597 | And so, | 801.7638 |
670 | | 803.7280 | I can't tell | 804.4694 |
672 | | 804.6699 | so much | 805.3134 |
674 | | 806.5817 | in terms of social hem- is it that I'm noticing it more | 809.2532 |
676 | | 810.1951 | because I'm older? | 811.1065 |
678 | | 812.4695 | Or because | 813.6912 |
680 | | 816.7682 | we're in a day and age where | 818.4568 |
682 | | 818.8922 | emotions are heightened, things are being filmed | 821.2050 |
684 | | 821.7972 | and, people are | 823.1914 |
686 | | 824.1006 | okay with openly reacting | 826.0540 |
688 | | 826.4923 | and not being polite about it? | 828.1728 |
690 | | 829.6638 | And, everyone's sort of | 831.3471 |
692 | | 831.5989 | walking on ice now | 832.6481 |
694 | | 833.0351 | with how they handle all of that. | 834.2521 |
696 | | 835.1375 | So, | 835.6294 |
698 | | 835.7938 | that- that's what I see, like, what's going on in Rochester. | 838.1719 |
699 | ROC_int_01 | 838.3211 | Mm, yeah. | 838.6555 |
701 | | 839.1511 | Okay. | 839.5864 |
703 | | 840.0463 | And, um, | 841.0013 |
705 | | 841.4860 | do you have any, I guess, favorite parts of Rochester, or favorite activities or things that you feel like really make the city, um. | 849.1543 |
707 | | 849.8480 | just something you look upon with pride. | 851.6894 |
709 | | 851.8247 | [Or.] | 852.2297 |
710 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 852.0059 | <ts> | 852.1924 |
711 | | 852.5130 | Um. | 853.0446 |
712 | ROC_int_01 | 853.0446 | Yeah. | 853.2917 |
713 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 856.7749 | It's funny. | 857.3624 |
715 | | 857.6189 | Uh, | 858.0712 |
717 | | 858.6576 | the things that I- when th- when you started asking me the question, there was a couple of things that immediately come to mind. Like, | 862.6024 |
719 | | 863.0873 | hiking with my children at Mendon Ponds Park, or attending the Cornhill | 866.7543 |
721 | | 867.1956 | Arts Festival. | 868.0396 |
723 | | 868.6446 | Um. | 869.3207 |
725 | | 870.0761 | Or going to Canandaigua Lake. | 871.5680 |
727 | | 871.8268 | But then I realized, like | 873.0275 |
729 | | 873.6956 | most of the things I like doing in Rochester are not | 876.2227 |
731 | | 876.8717 | in the city of Rochester. | 878.2228 |
733 | | 878.8099 | Um. | 879.3875 |
735 | | 879.7996 | Which then makes me think of a, there was an editorial piece written a couple of years ago in the DNC | 884.0670 |
737 | | 884.5205 | called The Tale of Two Cities. | 885.7105 |
739 | | 886.2328 | Talking about how | 887.3380 |
741 | | 887.8719 | What's going on in the city and what's going on in the suburbs are two very different things, and, | 890.8864 |
743 | | 891.2823 | The way we've structured ourselves works very well | 893.7455 |
745 | | 893.9112 | to keep | 894.5602 |
747 | | 895.2599 | um, | 895.7340 |
749 | | 896.5787 | those two things separate. | 898.3416 |
751 | | 899.0459 | Um, | 899.5936 |
753 | | 901.9251 | so, | 902.4498 |
755 | | 903.6926 | you know, I enjoy going up to Hamlin Beach. | 906.0053 |
757 | | 907.0511 | I didn't start going to Charlotte until I met my wife in G- | 909.3940 |
759 | | 909.5551 | Who's from Greece. | 910.4455 |
761 | | 911.1614 | Um. | 911.8729 |
763 | | 913.9765 | I enjoy Mendon Ponds Park, Powder Mill Park, which are both in Pittsford. Um. | 918.0881 |
765 | | 918.7650 | Letchworth State Park. | 920.0676 |
767 | | 920.5933 | A lot of state parks, because, you know, I was a boy scout. Camping, hiking, that type of thing. | 924.5656 |
769 | | 924.7717 | <ts> | 924.8914 |
771 | | 925.3910 | Um, | 926.2820 |
773 | | 928.3230 | I like | 928.7971 |
775 | | 929.0641 | S- the South Wedge. Hanging out in like, the Park Ave. area. There's a lot of cool shops and walking, and | 933.9974 |
777 | | 934.3937 | things like that. I like events around the U of R. | 937.2843 |
779 | | 937.6479 | Or, at the U of R. | 938.6467 |
781 | | 939.2865 | Um. | 939.9079 |
783 | | 941.6641 | But in terms of, do I actually like, go into the city, | 944.0760 |
785 | | 944.8401 | I think I can count the number of times I've gone into the city to go see a show or an event. | 948.4451 |
787 | | 949.1355 | Um. | 949.9042 |
789 | | 951.5407 | And it's- | 951.9687 |
791 | | 952.2920 | It's just one of those things where | 953.9030 |
793 | | 955.5739 | like, I do cherish it and it makes | 957.1468 |
795 | | 957.3908 | Rochester a great place to live, | 958.6632 |
797 | | 959.2662 | but at the same time, you just | 960.4906 |
799 | | 961.5539 | it- | 961.7196 |
801 | | 962.3618 | I'm- I've very much become one of those individuals who can just pop in, do what I need to do and just pop out. | 966.5668 |
802 | ROC_int_01 | 966.5668 | Mm-hm. | 967.1575 |
803 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 967.2970 | Um. | 968.0289 |
805 | | 969.5340 | Which is actually very in- indicative of | 971.6053 |
807 | | 971.9506 | people in Baltimore. | 972.9034 |
808 | ROC_int_01 | 973.4188 | Mm. | 973.8744 |
809 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 973.9297 | Um. What a lot of people don't realize is | 975.9641 |
811 | | 976.6362 | one of Baltimore's major landmarks is Camden Yards, the Orioles, where they play. | 979.8063 |
813 | | 980.8825 | You can get on a train, | 982.5257 |
815 | | 984.2702 | um, | 984.9330 |
817 | | 985.9665 | outside the city limits. You're pretty much | 987.6742 |
819 | | 988.0608 | almost, | 988.5349 |
821 | | 989.0504 | you're about thirty minutes from the | 990.3254 |
823 | | 990.4865 | the Pennsylvania state line. | 991.6096 |
825 | | 992.2816 | If that. | 992.7834 |
827 | | 993.2691 | You can get on a train there. | 994.5579 |
829 | | 994.7696 | Where there's a Wegmans | 995.7777 |
831 | | 996.8686 | Take that train in for thirty minutes, be dropped off right in front of the stadium | 1000.3831 |
833 | | 1001.2557 | do whatever you want around the stadium. Go to the- the pubs, go and watch the game, whatever. | 1005.1957 |
835 | | 1006.0313 | And then hop | 1006.6665 |
837 | | 1006.7724 | back on that train, and head back out. | 1008.7470 |
839 | | 1009.2395 | You don't have to drive, you don't have to park, you don't have to vest | 1011.5916 |
841 | | 1012.1280 | any extra effort into the city than you were willing to. | 1014.4939 |
843 | | 1015.4697 | Um, | 1015.9898 |
845 | | 1016.4225 | which allows you to enjoy all | 1017.7021 |
847 | | 1017.9856 | parts of the city | 1018.8506 |
849 | | 1019.0209 | while ignoring | 1020.2637 |
851 | | 1021.3500 | other issues of it. | 1022.3028 |
853 | | 1023.0715 | Um. | 1023.6100 |
855 | | 1024.4686 | <ts> | 1024.5744 |
857 | | 1024.6757 | And Rochester sort of does the same thing, but we do it with cars. You want to go to a Redwings game? | 1028.5099 |
859 | | 1029.0669 | You can hop off the expressway and literally drop right next to the stadium without going through the city. | 1033.8420 |
861 | | 1034.2700 | Especially if you're coming from the westside versus the eastside. | 1036.5245 |
863 | | 1037.1459 | Um. | 1037.8548 |
865 | | 1039.0263 | You wanna go to the major library | 1040.6189 |
867 | | 1040.8307 | right off of the expressway, but you don't have to go into the heart of the city. | 1043.8087 |
869 | | 1044.4175 | Um. | 1044.9883 |
871 | | 1046.4821 | I didn't have to know where Liberty Pool Way was | 1048.6961 |
873 | | 1050.3025 | until college. | 1051.2138 |
875 | | 1052.6800 | You know. | 1053.2600 |
877 | | 1054.2082 | And the- the hip | 1054.9630 |
879 | | 1055.2898 | co- cool thing if you were, you know, a, uh, | 1058.0285 |
881 | | 1058.9463 | bohemian student, if you will. | 1060.4376 |
883 | | 1061.1305 | wants to go to Spot Cafe. | 1062.4061 |
885 | | 1062.8704 | So, if you're [if you're (laughing) <laugh> You know. Oh. | 1065.1626 |
886 | ROC_int_01 | 1063.3422 | [<laugh>] | 1064.3851 |
887 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1065.5677 | You're- you're- you're trapped in Pittsford, but you got a friend with a car. Well, I like to hang out at Spot Cafe on a Friday night. | 1070.3389 |
889 | | 1070.6150 | Well, so does everybody. That place is teeming | 1072.6750 |
891 | | 1073.0662 | with teenagers because | 1074.5898 |
893 | | 1075.5147 | they're trying to be cool and get into the city. But not really into the city because | 1080.4953 |
895 | | 1081.1237 | you know, | 1081.5334 |
897 | | 1082.2882 | stuff can get scary (laughing) [<laugh>] | 1084.9901 |
898 | ROC_int_01 | 1084.4930 | [Mm-hm.] | 1084.9901 |
899 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1085.5195 | Um. | 1085.9890 |
901 | | 1087.5242 | But yeah. | 1087.8694 |
902 | ROC_int_01 | 1088.3251 | Yeah. | 1088.7531 |
904 | | 1088.8912 | It's so funny you mentioned Spot because I went to School of the Arts. | 1092.3434 |
906 | | 1092.8291 | And that was just one of those | 1094.8452 |
908 | | 1095.0155 | places where it just brought a lot of different people [together.] | 1098.3294 |
909 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1098.1145 | [Mm-hm.] | 1098.6806 |
910 | ROC_int_01 | 1098.8173 | You know, it's like the hipster kind [of-] | 1101.0400 |
911 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1100.7777 | [Yup.] But it's- it's if you look at where it is, | 1103.1152 |
912 | | 1103.3546 | you're not too far from an expressway, so you can | 1105.2490 |
914 | | 1105.6724 | hop into the city, park, | 1107.2282 |
916 | | 1107.6333 | be cool, | 1108.4342 |
918 | | 1109.1501 | and then hop out. | 1109.9648 |
920 | | 1110.9544 | And you're like, oh, I'm meeting all these different pe- kids from all these different places, but are you really? | 1114.9219 |
922 | | 1115.3340 | You're around them, [but you're not really meeting] them. | 1117.2453 |
923 | ROC_int_01 | 1117.5331 | Mm-hm. | 1118.0118 |
924 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1118.0118 | Hi Sugar Plum. You want a hug? | 1119.3052 |
925 | ROC_int_01 | 1120.1844 | <laugh> | 1120.6585 |
926 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1121.1958 | You just wanna play. | 1121.9157 |
928 | | 1123.9471 | Guess you wanna play. | 1124.6330 |
929 | ROC_int_01 | 1124.7480 | <laugh> | 1125.3050 |
930 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1128.9968 | But, yeah. | 1129.3978 |
931 | ROC_int_01 | 1129.9994 | Yeah. | 1130.3171 |
933 | | 1130.5689 | Okay, [cool] | 1131.5161 |
934 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1131.0498 | [<laugh>] | 1132.1596 |
935 | ROC_int_01 | 1132.1596 | Um. | 1132.6865 |
937 | | 1132.8112 | <ts> | 1132.9138 |
939 | | 1133.1423 | Uh. So, my last | 1134.5458 |
941 | | 1134.6904 | couple questions have more so to do with, uh, language stuff. | 1138.1298 |
942 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1138.0290 | Okay. | 1138.3793 |
943 | ROC_int_01 | 1138.4353 | So, | 1138.9098 |
945 | | 1139.3574 | uh, | 1139.9636 |
947 | | 1140.2713 | have you ever noticed, or if you've left outside of Rochester, has anyone else pointed out that there's a certain accent? Or | 1148.0005 |
949 | | 1148.3966 | a type of way that | 1149.7768 |
951 | | 1149.9214 | you know, they feel like Rochesterians speak? | 1152.0710 |
952 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1152.2855 | So, | 1152.7611 |
954 | | 1153.2134 | I've been told, | 1153.9405 |
956 | | 1154.0617 | one, I don't have the Rochester accent. | 1155.7642 |
958 | | 1156.2923 | <ts> | 1156.3856 |
960 | | 1156.6654 | And two, an- and | 1158.1672 |
962 | | 1158.4283 | it was been told by friends of mine from high school | 1160.3448 |
964 | | 1160.9284 | when we were in college. Because at that point, a couple of them gone to New York [City], | 1163.9798 |
965 | ROC_int_01 | 1164.1104 | [Mm-hm.] | 1164.5627 |
966 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1164.3918 | [Midwest], and then we came back around the holidays. | 1166.4652 |
967 | | 1167.5698 | [And,] | 1168.1340 |
969 | | 1168.7402 | You know, I don't say the hard O, | 1170.9398 |
971 | | 1171.4527 | where it's more of like, an A. | 1172.5439 |
973 | | 1173.3412 | Um. | 1174.0809 |
974 | ROC_int_01 | 1174.6771 | In like what- oh sorry, what kind of words do you mean? | 1176.7701 |
975 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1176.6915 | So, y- you- so, the classic way to understand if someone has the Rochester accent is, how do they say Rochester? | 1181.6933 |
976 | ROC_int_01 | 1181.6933 | Mm-hm. | 1182.0648 |
977 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1183.5897 | I | 1184.2006 |
979 | | 1184.3591 | don't say ra. | 1185.4922 |
981 | | 1186.2515 | And, so I don't say it like R A W chester, I say Rochester. | 1190.1410 |
983 | | 1190.2679 | It's almost like, | 1191.3813 |
985 | | 1192.2389 | R-O-U-G-H | 1193.9668 |
987 | | 1195.0439 | chester. | 1195.5242 |
988 | ROC_int_01 | 1195.5242 | Mm-hm. | 1196.0092 |
989 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1196.2050 | Um. | 1196.9945 |
991 | | 1198.1949 | And I don't. | 1198.5959 |
993 | | 1198.7265 | And, I say Rochester. And I to the, chester, faster than people who are from Rochester, usually say Raw-chester | 1204.1362 |
995 | | 1204.7615 | So, emphasis on the first syllable and less upon the second syllable. I jump to the, | 1208.2302 |
997 | | 1208.3922 | almost to the second syllable with the way I say it. | 1210.1128 |
999 | | 1210.9324 | Um. | 1211.6271 |
1001 | | 1212.7929 | And, so I'm aware that I- I have that accent. | 1215.1430 |
1003 | | 1215.3295 | Um. | 1216.1001 |
1005 | | 1216.4299 | I know that the Rochester accent is very strongly influenced by the Midwestern accents. Especially from | 1221.1569 |
1007 | | 1221.7072 | Northern P-A and Ohio. I know a lot of that has a lot of influence. | 1225.6983 |
1009 | | 1226.2986 | Um. | 1226.9468 |
1011 | | 1227.7940 | When I moved to Baltimore, | 1229.6653 |
1013 | | 1230.8776 | it was very interesting. Because I grew up in Pittsford, went to the U of R | 1233.7676 |
1015 | | 1234.3738 | and then, all of a sudden, I'm teaching in an urban district. | 1236.9512 |
1017 | | 1237.4411 | We okay down here? | 1238.2428 |
1019 | | 1238.9330 | Okay. | 1239.3200 |
1021 | | 1240.8461 | And, | 1241.7134 |
1023 | | 1243.4421 | for the first time in my life, students ask me, what are you? | 1245.8156 |
1025 | | 1246.8461 | Like, what do you mean, what am I? | 1248.0864 |
1027 | | 1248.6867 | Because for them, I wasn't black. | 1250.8690 |
1028 | ROC_int_01 | 1251.4612 | [Hm.] | 1251.9788 |
1029 | ROC_se0_ag2_m_01 | 1251.6850 | [<ts>] I didn't sound quote unquote | 1253.0372 |
1030 | | 1253.2657 | black. | 1253.8672 |