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1ROC_se0_ag2_m_010.5348Oh, okay.1.1316
2ROC_int_011.4157<laugh>1.9706
3ROC_se0_ag2_m_012.4089Um,2.9473
5 4.4839<ts>4.5492 
7 4.6658So, but in, in terms like the impact on the students,7.0426 
9 7.1313um,7.5790 
11 9.4124I- Pittsford work10.4021 
13 10.5280cr- has created almost a bubble.11.6705 
15 12.2667Where,13.0384 
17 13.9733you'll have kids who've traveled all of the world who go to these schools.18.2236 
19 18.6684But, have no concept of diversity. They have no concept of21.5127 
21 22.1935Uh, uh, of-23.0082 
23 23.1312of struggling.23.7043 
25 24.3944Um,24.9761 
27 26.0772or what, what real struggling might look like.28.3987 
29 29.0515And, so,30.3338 
31 32.4170their opinions of the world become very solidified, very quickly.35.4385 
33 35.9794Um,36.5436 
35 36.6637supported by th-37.8667 
37 38.7807uh,39.2563 
39 41.3779a gilded cage if you will.43.0486 
41 43.8226Um,44.5081 
43 45.6979and so,46.2575 
45 47.3113their48.0527 
47 48.2625interactions and the way they handle themselves, then propagates the same mentality that the town has,52.3173 
49 52.5910which is what they want.53.6657 
51 54.1226Whereas,55.2406 
53 55.6838like, if you, if you talk to somebody,57.2408 
55 57.9714um,58.5584 
57 58.9961from Pittsford or even60.3903 
59 60.8752at Honeyway. Two years ago, I had the chance to long term sub for them when I moved back to town.64.4617 
61 65.2264And, it was about three weeks after,67.4338 
63 67.7369it was three weeks before69.0052 
65 69.7373the Baltimore riots occurred.71.3058 
66ROC_int_0171.5624Hm.71.7245
67ROC_se0_ag2_m_0172.0146Now, to put things in perspective, where Freddie Gray was arrested was about eight blocks south of the school that I was teaching at.76.3107
69 76.8423And, where the riots broke out that Monday, was about79.6075 
71 80.0598my school was two blocks, no.81.5381 
73 82.0044three blocks south.82.8025 
75 83.4861So, you talk about84.3647 
77 84.8476about a ten block stretch86.3818 
79 87.0159less than three miles88.4754 
81 88.9510where all this chaos is, and there's90.9370 
83 91.6073three major high schools92.9968 
85 93.1647in that area.93.9667 
87 94.2463And a m-94.6784 
89 94.8137little mall.95.3762 
91 96.3274Um.96.9429 
93 99.6089And,100.0659 
95 100.2337I was teaching AP government to a bunch of kids at Honeyway, and I had to explain to them, like,103.9243 
97 104.6495Why is this happening?106.2384 
99 106.7420Like, what does it take for a kid in Baltimore to go to high school?109.8661 
101 110.5469Like,110.6579 
103 110.7803what are the struggles that they may face? And, for a lot of them,113.3202 
105 114.0569this was114.5954 
107 115.1497these are challenges that they don't even think about.116.9217 
108ROC_int_01117.3412Mm-hm.117.7521
109ROC_se0_ag2_m_01117.7521I was like, alright.118.3489
110 118.4696You wake up at seven AM, even though school starts at seven fifteen because122.5510
112 122.9531your alarm didn't go off, because your power went out, because125.6331 
114 126.2766m- mom didn't have enough money to pay the bill.128.0765 
116 128.5276So, now you're late getting to school.130.3742 
118 130.8777And, now you have to catch buses, which may take you anywhere from forty-five minutes to an hour to get to school.134.8226 
120 135.3716Or, you're walking, but if you walk, you're going through dangerous neighborhoods.138.3326 
122 139.3258Um.139.8395 
124 140.8261That type of reality, that type of experience142.7752 
126 143.2974again,143.6425 
128 143.7544that gilded cage they were sheltered from.145.2838 
130 145.9993So,146.5008 
132 149.5306places like Pittsford,150.5704 
134 150.6916like Brighton, they work very hard to152.6420 
136 154.8697k-154.9303 
138 155.0981T- to155.4572 
140 155.5924by, like I said, to create that cage.157.1358 
141ROC_int_01157.4902Mm-hm.157.8772
142ROC_se0_ag2_m_01157.8772A- because they want to protect their children, like anybody does, but160.5078
143 161.0347it has its161.8088
145 162.7915social impact as well.163.7847 
147 164.8065Whereas, I think165.8976 
149 166.5505places like Greece, like Gates, a little more honest about what the world is doing and like, what's going on, and they're a little more open to it. Because, one, they have to be173.7418 
151 174.6432and- and,175.8602 
153 177.4596two,178.0705 
155 178.2057I think they're just178.8865 
157 179.1744they don't care as much. [<laugh>]181.1468 
158ROC_int_01180.5220[Mm-hm.]180.9277
159ROC_se0_ag2_m_01181.7722So182.1832
161 182.9712That's,183.4841 
163 183.7732that was my upbringing. Realizing Pittsford's a lovely place to live186.4283 
165 187.0671but sometimes, it's difficult to188.4546 
167 189.1866bond with people.190.1519 
168ROC_int_01190.2578Mm-hm.190.6627
170 191.0478Yeah.191.3685 
172 192.0737Yeah, okay.193.0109 
174 193.2947And,193.9449 
176 194.6034I guess if you had to think of, um,196.9908 
178 197.6669any major changes that has199.2663 
180 199.4621that have happened across the course of your life in Rochester, would you feel like203.1913 
182 203.4307like are some major things that have205.1825 
184 205.5923changed?206.3034 
186 206.8606Um, well across the city. It doesn't matter where you locate the case.209.6975 
187ROC_se0_ag2_m_01209.6975Um.210.1321
188 213.3029What I've noticed214.2075
190 214.3194is214.7251 
192 215.5784So I'll hit it from different perspectives, in-217.3486 
194 217.4792in coming back, what I've noticed in terms of-219.2045 
196 219.3164of219.6987 
198 220.6861government spending and the government handling222.3881 
200 222.5560um, especially in the counties.223.8709 
202 225.0786Two winters ago,225.9290 
204 226.4437we had one of the worst winters we've had in a long time.228.4347 
206 230.2672But, we also had the ice storm.231.4631 
208 232.3038and, when I was a kid in ninety-one, and we went through the ice storm, no one ever was concerned about running out of salt.236.8361 
209ROC_int_01237.4773Mm.237.8689
210ROC_se0_ag2_m_01237.9575You know, the idea that,238.8575
212 238.9647that snow removal, was not240.7164 
214 241.0795an241.2101 
216 241.3192issue. We were, we were b- ha- prepared to handle that.243.8278 
218 244.5226Um.245.1381 
220 247.2073But,247.5243 
222 248.1072two years ago, and then this past year, which was a very light winter,251.1406 
224 251.5696there was still concern that we may not be able to move253.7345 
226 253.9350remove snow.254.8956 
228 255.5286I'm thinking w- the area that we're living in, how is our- our sp- what is going on with our government spending that260.4340 
230 261.5204something as crucial as snow removal263.1937 
232 263.3894for us to be functioning for a [good,] especially from say,266.4099 
233ROC_int_01264.8461[Mm-hm.]265.2647
234ROC_se0_ag2_m_01266.5923late January into early March.268.6729
236 269.8705N- That shouldn't be a negotiation.271.7472 
238 271.9710That should be handled.273.4884 
239ROC_int_01273.5424Mm-hm.274.1113
240ROC_se0_ag2_m_01274.2174Um,274.7443
242 274.8562and the fact that, that was, tells me that276.8828 
244 277.4051the handling of- of279.0262 
246 279.8037local politics has has gotten very dicey.282.4942 
247ROC_int_01282.6777Mm-hm.283.1516
248ROC_se0_ag2_m_01283.1516Um,283.6827
249 284.0644very combative and I think it's a microcosm of what's going on at the national level. Where288.2563
250ROC_int_01288.4894Mm-hm.288.7226
251ROC_se0_ag2_m_01289.0572both sides would be able to compromise to say, alright291.3047
253 291.4470you know what? I don't like you, you don't like me, but we need money for this293.9978 
255 294.2770to pay for it.294.9858 
257 295.4569Where now, it's296.8557 
259 297.3022well, I don't like you, you don't like me, so we're just gonna let this-299.7330 
261 300.4263don't touch that.301.1375 
263 303.1437We're just gonna let things304.6946 
265 305.4313go.305.9163 
267 306.5784Um.307.2143 
269 308.9342I think, from a, [from a social perspective,]310.8274 
271 311.3636[I've noticed] there's been a lot of.313.4691 
273 313.9494There's a l- a great more diversity, [especially on the westside, because]316.7001 
275 317.3343[you have]318.3201 
277 319.0154um.319.5872 
279 321.0473What you have is322.2923 
281 322.9451capable people of color324.2320 
283 324.4932who324.9175 
285 325.0387are tired of a city.326.1112 
287 326.8328Whatever their reason may be.328.1431 
289 329.0477Who have jobs that are giving them enough wealth to [move out.]332.8125 
291 333.3258W- and they're, but,334.3563 
293 335.0091because of property taxes, because of the way the337.1542 
295 337.2522eastside has set itself up,338.2454 
297 338.6697they're pushing north, and they're pushing west.340.6697 
299 341.0567So, they're moving into Gates, they're moving into Greece, they're moving into Irondequoit.344.1473 
301 344.5856Which, is gen- changing345.7093 
303 346.2025the demographics of these areas, which is then making them [start to ask] questions349.8132 
305 350.3011they didn't have to ask.351.5416 
307 351.9892The fact that Spencerport was trying to deal with urban [suburban]354.6625 
309 355.1521um, commuting,356.1359 
311 356.8608um,357.4558 
313 358.1571you know, last year. I was like, that's amazing, but360.5684 
315 360.6943the other part that361.4637 
317 361.9067that cracks me up about that is363.6017 
319 365.6265you're arguing over urban, suburban. And not because368.1125 
321 368.3550of the issue of369.4913 
323 370.9930the impact that it's gonna have on the diversity of your community.373.3105 
325 373.7861The- but I mean, that was they were arguing over.375.3780 
327 375.8602The only argum-376.4478 
329 376.6016The only justifiable point you have against [urban suburban in Spencerport] is,379.9509 
331 380.9220do you really wanna381.9407 
333 383.0606change the kids lives that much, that you have to pull that-385.6669 
335 385.9048Like, getting to Spencerport from the city is not an easy haul. <laugh>389.2242 
336ROC_int_01389.2242Mm-hm.389.6349
337ROC_se0_ag2_m_01389.6940And, I'm like,390.2302
339 390.4867you're gonna be telling kids, you need to get up at five392.6130 
341 393.0280maybe four-thirty in the morning to catch a bus to get to school on time. I said,397.0604 
343 397.3588in my mind, that's the problem. Because of the impact that it has on the student.400.5796 
345 401.2447But, the diversity of the impact it'll have on, on your kids, the social growth they'll [have]405.2948 
346ROC_int_01405.1579[Mm-hm.]405.5916
347ROC_se0_ag2_m_01405.8310is exponential, so who cares about that? But, people were,408.5216
349 410.0606uh, the dark side of their prejudices were coming out.412.7325 
351 413.4401An- and414.5825 
353 415.8088that's a- another thing that I've noticed.417.7859 
355 417.9071From a social perspective,419.1475 
357 420.4519<ts>420.5846 
359 421.9954and, maybe I'm just more aware of it because I'm older.424.0523 
360ROC_int_01424.3096[Mm-hm.]424.6640
361ROC_se0_ag2_m_01429.0974/RD-NAME-2/ can you turn down my [phone please?]430.7278
362ROC_int_01430.3357[That's nice.]430.8401
363ROC_se0_ag2_m_01432.2041Um. 432.7487
365 433.6440but,433.8165 
367 434.1149prejudices435.1105 
369 436.3402that I'd been taught existed,438.2846 
371 441.9819as I've gotten older, I've learned to recognize them.444.0616 
373 445.2728Um.445.9447 
375 448.1451It always reminds me of a- of a449.6699 
377 450.6299I think it was Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle made a- some skit about, you ever see something so racist454.3071 
379 454.7819where you just stop and you go, wow.456.2152 
381 456.9805That was really racist. Like, you didn't get- m- you didn't get mad, you didn't get upset. You were just blown away by just461.3608 
383 461.6592how racist it was.462.7923 
385 463.1514And, I've had like463.7296 
387 464.2005reflecting upon my childhood and I'm like, I've had a couple of those experiences, but I just didn't realize468.1326 
389 468.7477what it was because it wasn't the- the stereotypical471.7181 
391 472.3465guy in a white sheet or the, the burning cross, or the lyn-475.0931 
393 475.3263like it wasn't that, [but it was]476.9490 
394ROC_int_01476.2426[Mm-hm.]476.8091
395ROC_se0_ag2_m_01477.6928um,478.2878
397 478.8259a systematic undertone of how somebody treated somebody else or treated me, or said something to me.482.8825 
399 483.7452Um.484.2814 
401 485.8948That486.3055 
403 486.8320now that I'm older, I can recognize that.488.8184 
405 489.3348Which helps me490.3747 
407 490.5146gauge my response a little bit better.491.9861 
409 492.6502Turn it down.493.1258 
411 494.4267<ts>494.5013 
413 495.0049Um.495.4852 
415 496.3187I think the496.6731 
417 496.8316m-.496.9389 
419 497.9554One example that really stood out to me was,499.7460 
421 500.1983think it was my500.5340 
423 500.7252ch- sophomore, junior year of college.502.9369 
425 503.6496And it was504.1951 
427 504.3490spring semester.505.2711 
429 506.0405<ts>506.1011 
431 506.2643And507.1533 
433 508.6023I was running an errand for my mother on the way back to campus. So, I stop by her house in the morning, have breakfast, hang out, see how she's doing.513.9352 
435 514.4048And, she's like, can you515.5891 
437 516.0787uh, pay this bill for me517.1419 
439 517.3097at517.5522 
441 517.8087Macy's or Bon-ton, whatever. One of them.519.4421 
443 519.9408I was like, yeah, yeah. No problem mom, it's521.2837 
445 521.4142it's on the way back to campus.522.6453 
447 523.9462So, she gives me the money, she gives me her bill,525.6681 
449 526.0458and I run over there527.1929 
451 527.3188and I go to pay the bill.528.2748 
453 529.3012And,530.0753 
455 531.1513this woman, she's standing behind me and she's in a,533.7252 
457 534.2754you can tell it's a high end535.3091 
459 535.6682designer coat.536.3966 
461 537.1352Um.537.7361 
463 539.6843And I just go through the process, you know. M-541.0606 
465 541.1830I need to pay this bill for my mother. Thank you.543.2417 
467 543.7709And I'm so- and then this woman stops me eh- whe-546.2705 
469 546.4383So, I'm about to walk and she stops me, goes you are just so549.1510 
471 549.6546articulate. Where are you from?551.9580 
473 553.1913And at that- and I was a little bit older at that point when I realized,555.7328 
475 557.1640why are you stopping me?558.5009 
477 558.8600Why does my ability to speak matter to you?561.5568 
479 562.1203And, I realized because563.9435 
481 565.6082she had prejudice an- on thinking about African Americans568.4814 
483 568.6399speak. And I said, well oh I'm from Pittsford.571.2913 
485 572.3296She goes, oh.573.3996 
487 574.0850And the conversations stop because the moment I said Pittsford, she was like, oh.577.2138 
489 578.5556You're a good one. <laughs>580.8682 
490ROC_int_01581.0914[Mm-hm.]581.5152
491ROC_se0_ag2_m_01581.3975[And-] And it was just like,582.8556
492 584.1313wow. You just.584.9659
494 585.7306Like,585.9451 
496 587.3766Her- her- her misconception was just so heavy. I was like, you know what, I don't even have time.591.2593 
498 591.8457To- to deconstruct593.4124 
500 594.2004how off595.2076 
502 595.8033you were, cause you thought that you were complimenting me. And I get that.598.2373 
504 598.9227And, you're coming from a place of- of600.5975 
506 601.9991ignorance cause you don't know,603.2907 
508 604.5264and not stupidity, where you do know, but you606.5641 
510 606.8205choose to ignore.607.9863 
512 608.6006Um.609.3653 
514 610.7502And, I think those two differences612.2750 
516 612.9045matter greatly. I think there's a lot more stupidity out there nowadays.615.8998 
518 616.3865And, when I was a child, there was a lot more ignorance.618.4988 
520 619.3550Um,619.8931 
522 620.9831in terms of an economic status,622.3773 
524 622.5079uh,623.0021 
526 623.6794what you notice is certain towns625.6984 
528 625.8243are sort of626.4118 
530 626.9061economically flat.627.9408 
532 628.8062And, especially- and the city's629.8297 
534 629.9556struggling with that, and has been for a while. But they were able to keep it kind of quiet.633.4984 
536 634.1774And then, the past ten or fifteen years, it's- it's now to point where638.0336 
538 638.3274you can't anymore.639.4376 
540 640.1774Because,641.0633 
542 643.4134when I was a kid,644.2653 
544 644.7692Edison was com- was competitive, Wilson was competitive.647.7080 
546 648.3190Um.648.9168 
548 649.3178You didn't question their graduation rates. You were like, yeah, it's the city,652.8590 
550 653.4704but those are schools that can perform.654.9826 
552 655.6795So, everyone just said, yeah, there's issues going on in the city, but the kids are performing.659.4098 
554 659.9647The moment660.8180 
556 661.8287No Child Left Behind hits, and then Race to the Top hits, and Regents665.6430 
558 665.9554adjustments hits, and graduation rates start dropping,668.9782 
560 669.3451and then, all of a sudden, people are like, well what's going on with these crime rates?672.6670 
562 673.2265Um.673.8980 
564 674.1719You begin to realize675.6734 
566 675.9392well, wait a minute.676.6060 
568 678.2747The school's, the city school district's not performing. What's going on?681.5542 
570 682.6746And, that,683.4114 
572 684.0455one,684.7363 
574 686.3257becomes687.1961 
576 687.4199the headline for the local news on a regular basis.690.0587 
578 690.4970Two,691.0379 
580 691.1825becomes sort of a self fulfilling prophecy.693.7339 
582 694.3074Uh, for those outside of the city who don't experience the city, they're like, well, the city's just698.4401 
584 699.0824messed over anyways because look at the schools.701.1201 
586 701.6331Um.702.1740 
588 703.2249<ts>703.3674 
590 704.0706Three, it puts them in a situation where706.2855 
592 706.9616um,707.4786 
594 708.4345now, they feel709.9266 
596 710.1038bad about themselves,711.3940 
598 711.9072and so, they don't think they can achieve.713.9781 
600 714.5138So, the city doesn't grow from that perspective.716.3463 
602 716.8674Uh. Four,717.8559 
604 719.1755then, the programs that you try to put into the city is722.0867 
606 722.9233you know. It's- it's, uh, now724.4108 
608 724.5833you're- it's bigger gamble than it's ever been.726.0708 
610 726.7049Cause now, who's the house that wins? Like,728.7626 
612 729.3332it's not like government officials are-730.3684 
614 730.5875are gambling on this, and they come out profiting on the back end. They're losing money too.734.4668 
616 734.9098And then, five, city policing736.5933 
618 737.0083compared to- to local policing.739.0066 
620 739.4169Um.739.9321 
622 740.5500When I was a kid, you741.6738 
624 741.8603you know, you had-742.4991 
626 742.7964before Duffy, you were talking about people-744.5916 
628 745.0905partners, walking the streets.746.4195 
630 746.7972Now it's partners in cars. Now it's individual cars. Now it's749.6959 
632 750.2852Well, we have these quadrants. Well, these quadrants turn into these sectors. And,753.7963 
634 754.4212well, are you actually getting to know the neighborhoods? No. An-757.3152 
636 757.7955And all of a sudden, it's this bust after this bust, after this bust. And like,760.7031 
638 761.8630the language and the way you- you handle people in the city764.1758 
640 765.1317is different765.7985 
642 765.9710than766.6299 
644 766.9530you used to.767.8455 
646 769.0940So, what caused that shift?770.6048 
648 772.5119Which then feeds into the surrounding suburbs because775.9426 
650 779.1691maybe it's just again because I'm older, there's a little bit, there's like782.0508 
652 782.4378civility. But, it's like aggressive civility.784.3875 
654 785.8738I think is the way to-786.5126 
656 786.6385that's a nice way of describing it. Where it's like,788.9606 
658 789.3109what are you doing here?790.1835 
660 790.9890Oh, okay, well just so you know,792.5091 
662 793.9126you know, you- you have to leave in the next five minutes. Oh, okay.796.6964 
664 797.7444I understand, but.798.6210 
666 798.8495<laugh>800.3806 
667ROC_int_01799.4837[Mm-hm.]800.1204
668ROC_se0_ag2_m_01801.0597And so,801.7638
670 803.7280I can't tell804.4694 
672 804.6699so much805.3134 
674 806.5817in terms of social hem- is it that I'm noticing it more809.2532 
676 810.1951because I'm older?811.1065 
678 812.4695Or because813.6912 
680 816.7682we're in a day and age where818.4568 
682 818.8922emotions are heightened, things are being filmed821.2050 
684 821.7972and, people are823.1914 
686 824.1006okay with openly reacting826.0540 
688 826.4923and not being polite about it?828.1728 
690 829.6638And, everyone's sort of831.3471 
692 831.5989walking on ice now832.6481 
694 833.0351with how they handle all of that.834.2521 
696 835.1375So,835.6294 
698 835.7938that- that's what I see, like, what's going on in Rochester.838.1719 
699ROC_int_01838.3211Mm, yeah.838.6555
701 839.1511Okay.839.5864 
703 840.0463And, um,841.0013 
705 841.4860do you have any, I guess, favorite parts of Rochester, or favorite activities or things that you feel like really make the city, um.849.1543 
707 849.8480just something you look upon with pride.851.6894 
709 851.8247[Or.]852.2297 
710ROC_se0_ag2_m_01852.0059<ts>852.1924
711 852.5130Um.853.0446
712ROC_int_01853.0446Yeah.853.2917
713ROC_se0_ag2_m_01856.7749It's funny.857.3624
715 857.6189Uh,858.0712 
717 858.6576the things that I- when th- when you started asking me the question, there was a couple of things that immediately come to mind. Like,862.6024 
719 863.0873hiking with my children at Mendon Ponds Park, or attending the Cornhill866.7543 
721 867.1956Arts Festival.868.0396 
723 868.6446Um.869.3207 
725 870.0761Or going to Canandaigua Lake.871.5680 
727 871.8268But then I realized, like873.0275 
729 873.6956most of the things I like doing in Rochester are not876.2227 
731 876.8717in the city of Rochester.878.2228 
733 878.8099Um.879.3875 
735 879.7996Which then makes me think of a, there was an editorial piece written a couple of years ago in the DNC884.0670 
737 884.5205called The Tale of Two Cities.885.7105 
739 886.2328Talking about how887.3380 
741 887.8719What's going on in the city and what's going on in the suburbs are two very different things, and,890.8864 
743 891.2823The way we've structured ourselves works very well893.7455 
745 893.9112to keep894.5602 
747 895.2599um,895.7340 
749 896.5787those two things separate.898.3416 
751 899.0459Um,899.5936 
753 901.9251so,902.4498 
755 903.6926you know, I enjoy going up to Hamlin Beach.906.0053 
757 907.0511I didn't start going to Charlotte until I met my wife in G-909.3940 
759 909.5551Who's from Greece.910.4455 
761 911.1614Um.911.8729 
763 913.9765I enjoy Mendon Ponds Park, Powder Mill Park, which are both in Pittsford. Um.918.0881 
765 918.7650Letchworth State Park.920.0676 
767 920.5933A lot of state parks, because, you know, I was a boy scout. Camping, hiking, that type of thing.924.5656 
769 924.7717<ts>924.8914 
771 925.3910Um,926.2820 
773 928.3230I like928.7971 
775 929.0641S- the South Wedge. Hanging out in like, the Park Ave. area. There's a lot of cool shops and walking, and933.9974 
777 934.3937things like that. I like events around the U of R.937.2843 
779 937.6479Or, at the U of R.938.6467 
781 939.2865Um.939.9079 
783 941.6641But in terms of, do I actually like, go into the city,944.0760 
785 944.8401I think I can count the number of times I've gone into the city to go see a show or an event.948.4451 
787 949.1355Um.949.9042 
789 951.5407And it's-951.9687 
791 952.2920It's just one of those things where953.9030 
793 955.5739like, I do cherish it and it makes957.1468 
795 957.3908Rochester a great place to live,958.6632 
797 959.2662but at the same time, you just960.4906 
799 961.5539it-961.7196 
801 962.3618I'm- I've very much become one of those individuals who can just pop in, do what I need to do and just pop out.966.5668 
802ROC_int_01966.5668Mm-hm.967.1575
803ROC_se0_ag2_m_01967.2970Um.968.0289
805 969.5340Which is actually very in- indicative of971.6053 
807 971.9506people in Baltimore.972.9034 
808ROC_int_01973.4188Mm.973.8744
809ROC_se0_ag2_m_01973.9297Um. What a lot of people don't realize is975.9641
811 976.6362one of Baltimore's major landmarks is Camden Yards, the Orioles, where they play.979.8063 
813 980.8825You can get on a train,982.5257 
815 984.2702um,984.9330 
817 985.9665outside the city limits. You're pretty much987.6742 
819 988.0608almost,988.5349 
821 989.0504you're about thirty minutes from the990.3254 
823 990.4865the Pennsylvania state line.991.6096 
825 992.2816If that.992.7834 
827 993.2691You can get on a train there.994.5579 
829 994.7696Where there's a Wegmans995.7777 
831 996.8686Take that train in for thirty minutes, be dropped off right in front of the stadium1000.3831 
833 1001.2557do whatever you want around the stadium. Go to the- the pubs, go and watch the game, whatever.1005.1957 
835 1006.0313And then hop1006.6665 
837 1006.7724back on that train, and head back out.1008.7470 
839 1009.2395You don't have to drive, you don't have to park, you don't have to vest1011.5916 
841 1012.1280any extra effort into the city than you were willing to.1014.4939 
843 1015.4697Um,1015.9898 
845 1016.4225which allows you to enjoy all1017.7021 
847 1017.9856parts of the city1018.8506 
849 1019.0209while ignoring1020.2637 
851 1021.3500other issues of it.1022.3028 
853 1023.0715Um.1023.6100 
855 1024.4686<ts>1024.5744 
857 1024.6757And Rochester sort of does the same thing, but we do it with cars. You want to go to a Redwings game?1028.5099 
859 1029.0669You can hop off the expressway and literally drop right next to the stadium without going through the city.1033.8420 
861 1034.2700Especially if you're coming from the westside versus the eastside.1036.5245 
863 1037.1459Um.1037.8548 
865 1039.0263You wanna go to the major library1040.6189 
867 1040.8307right off of the expressway, but you don't have to go into the heart of the city.1043.8087 
869 1044.4175Um.1044.9883 
871 1046.4821I didn't have to know where Liberty Pool Way was1048.6961 
873 1050.3025until college.1051.2138 
875 1052.6800You know.1053.2600 
877 1054.2082And the- the hip1054.9630 
879 1055.2898co- cool thing if you were, you know, a, uh,1058.0285 
881 1058.9463bohemian student, if you will.1060.4376 
883 1061.1305wants to go to Spot Cafe.1062.4061 
885 1062.8704So, if you're [if you're (laughing) <laugh> You know. Oh.1065.1626 
886ROC_int_011063.3422[<laugh>]1064.3851
887ROC_se0_ag2_m_011065.5677You're- you're- you're trapped in Pittsford, but you got a friend with a car. Well, I like to hang out at Spot Cafe on a Friday night.1070.3389
889 1070.6150Well, so does everybody. That place is teeming1072.6750 
891 1073.0662with teenagers because1074.5898 
893 1075.5147they're trying to be cool and get into the city. But not really into the city because1080.4953 
895 1081.1237you know,1081.5334 
897 1082.2882stuff can get scary (laughing) [<laugh>]1084.9901 
898ROC_int_011084.4930[Mm-hm.]1084.9901
899ROC_se0_ag2_m_011085.5195Um.1085.9890
901 1087.5242But yeah.1087.8694 
902ROC_int_011088.3251Yeah.1088.7531
904 1088.8912It's so funny you mentioned Spot because I went to School of the Arts.1092.3434 
906 1092.8291And that was just one of those1094.8452 
908 1095.0155places where it just brought a lot of different people [together.]1098.3294 
909ROC_se0_ag2_m_011098.1145[Mm-hm.]1098.6806
910ROC_int_011098.8173You know, it's like the hipster kind [of-]1101.0400
911ROC_se0_ag2_m_011100.7777[Yup.] But it's- it's if you look at where it is,1103.1152
912 1103.3546you're not too far from an expressway, so you can1105.2490
914 1105.6724hop into the city, park,1107.2282 
916 1107.6333be cool,1108.4342 
918 1109.1501and then hop out.1109.9648 
920 1110.9544And you're like, oh, I'm meeting all these different pe- kids from all these different places, but are you really?1114.9219 
922 1115.3340You're around them, [but you're not really meeting] them.1117.2453 
923ROC_int_011117.5331Mm-hm.1118.0118
924ROC_se0_ag2_m_011118.0118Hi Sugar Plum. You want a hug?1119.3052
925ROC_int_011120.1844<laugh>1120.6585
926ROC_se0_ag2_m_011121.1958You just wanna play.1121.9157
928 1123.9471Guess you wanna play.1124.6330 
929ROC_int_011124.7480<laugh>1125.3050
930ROC_se0_ag2_m_011128.9968But, yeah.1129.3978
931ROC_int_011129.9994Yeah.1130.3171
933 1130.5689Okay, [cool]1131.5161 
934ROC_se0_ag2_m_011131.0498[<laugh>]1132.1596
935ROC_int_011132.1596Um.1132.6865
937 1132.8112<ts>1132.9138 
939 1133.1423Uh. So, my last1134.5458 
941 1134.6904couple questions have more so to do with, uh, language stuff.1138.1298 
942ROC_se0_ag2_m_011138.0290Okay.1138.3793
943ROC_int_011138.4353So,1138.9098
945 1139.3574uh,1139.9636 
947 1140.2713have you ever noticed, or if you've left outside of Rochester, has anyone else pointed out that there's a certain accent? Or1148.0005 
949 1148.3966a type of way that1149.7768 
951 1149.9214you know, they feel like Rochesterians speak?1152.0710 
952ROC_se0_ag2_m_011152.2855So,1152.7611
954 1153.2134I've been told,1153.9405 
956 1154.0617one, I don't have the Rochester accent.1155.7642 
958 1156.2923<ts>1156.3856 
960 1156.6654And two, an- and1158.1672 
962 1158.4283it was been told by friends of mine from high school1160.3448 
964 1160.9284when we were in college. Because at that point, a couple of them gone to New York [City],1163.9798 
965ROC_int_011164.1104[Mm-hm.]1164.5627
966ROC_se0_ag2_m_011164.3918[Midwest], and then we came back around the holidays.1166.4652
967 1167.5698[And,]1168.1340
969 1168.7402You know, I don't say the hard O,1170.9398 
971 1171.4527where it's more of like, an A.1172.5439 
973 1173.3412Um.1174.0809 
974ROC_int_011174.6771In like what- oh sorry, what kind of words do you mean?1176.7701
975ROC_se0_ag2_m_011176.6915So, y- you- so, the classic way to understand if someone has the Rochester accent is, how do they say Rochester?1181.6933
976ROC_int_011181.6933Mm-hm.1182.0648
977ROC_se0_ag2_m_011183.5897I1184.2006
979 1184.3591don't say ra.1185.4922 
981 1186.2515And, so I don't say it like R A W chester, I say Rochester.1190.1410 
983 1190.2679It's almost like,1191.3813 
985 1192.2389R-O-U-G-H1193.9668 
987 1195.0439chester.1195.5242 
988ROC_int_011195.5242Mm-hm.1196.0092
989ROC_se0_ag2_m_011196.2050Um.1196.9945
991 1198.1949And I don't.1198.5959 
993 1198.7265And, I say Rochester. And I to the, chester, faster than people who are from Rochester, usually say Raw-chester1204.1362 
995 1204.7615So, emphasis on the first syllable and less upon the second syllable. I jump to the,1208.2302 
997 1208.3922almost to the second syllable with the way I say it.1210.1128 
999 1210.9324Um.1211.6271 
1001 1212.7929And, so I'm aware that I- I have that accent.1215.1430 
1003 1215.3295Um.1216.1001 
1005 1216.4299I know that the Rochester accent is very strongly influenced by the Midwestern accents. Especially from1221.1569 
1007 1221.7072Northern P-A and Ohio. I know a lot of that has a lot of influence.1225.6983 
1009 1226.2986Um.1226.9468 
1011 1227.7940When I moved to Baltimore,1229.6653 
1013 1230.8776it was very interesting. Because I grew up in Pittsford, went to the U of R1233.7676 
1015 1234.3738and then, all of a sudden, I'm teaching in an urban district.1236.9512 
1017 1237.4411We okay down here?1238.2428 
1019 1238.9330Okay.1239.3200 
1021 1240.8461And,1241.7134 
1023 1243.4421for the first time in my life, students ask me, what are you?1245.8156 
1025 1246.8461Like, what do you mean, what am I?1248.0864 
1027 1248.6867Because for them, I wasn't black.1250.8690 
1028ROC_int_011251.4612[Hm.]1251.9788
1029ROC_se0_ag2_m_011251.6850[<ts>] I didn't sound quote unquote1253.0372
1030 1253.2657black.1253.8672