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1ROC_int_010.2086Um, <ts>1.0974
3 1.1967so, I'll start off with asking you questions about like, um,5.1292 
5 5.7863where you grew up, and you were born here right?7.8483 
6ROC_se0_ag3_f_017.9854I was born and raised here, [yes.]9.4899
7ROC_int_019.3032[Okay],9.7145
8ROC_se0_ag3_f_019.6164[Rochester.]10.2282
9ROC_int_019.7931[cool.]10.0856
10 10.4260Yeah, and what part of Rochester did you grow up?13.0749
11ROC_se0_ag3_f_0113.5619Um, basically the west side,15.2210
13 15.3711but I've lived,16.6235 
15 16.7441um,17.2880 
17 17.5102three different places in my life19.3241 
19 19.4848growing up,20.2568 
20ROC_int_0120.5683[Okay.]20.8992
21ROC_se0_ag3_f_0120.8046[you] know, so.21.6509
22 22.4734Um, I lived on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Avenue, then I lived on25.1761
24 25.2480/RD-ADDRESS-3/ Avenue, and then26.9228 
26 27.2443in the fifth grade, I moved to /RD-ADDRESS-2/,29.6742 
28 29.9815and I've been there every-31.0310 
30 31.2296well, my mom has been there every since.32.8897 
31ROC_int_0133.0221Mm-hm.33.5138
33 33.6083So the west side is like your home.35.3669 
34ROC_se0_ag3_f_0135.3746Yes, oh yeah.36.2510
35ROC_int_0136.4495[Yeah. <laugh>]37.9131
36ROC_se0_ag3_f_0136.5299[Yeah.]36.9081
38 37.0783[Yeah.]37.4990 
40 37.6550[Yeah.]38.1041 
41 38.5229When I got married, I moved to /RD-ADDRESS-1/.40.4896
42ROC_int_0140.7354[Mm-hm.]41.1637
43ROC_se0_ag3_f_0140.9698[N-] you know,41.5229
44 42.0761just for a short time, and then44.2375
46 44.3510I bought the house45.3739 
48 45.9270on /RD-ADDRESS-3/, um, twenty-two years ago.48.7218 
49ROC_int_0148.8967Mm-hm.49.3978
51 49.9320[Yeah], and how would you describe I guess, /RD-ADDRESS-1/,52.6575 
52ROC_se0_ag3_f_0150.0360[So-]50.3008
53ROC_int_0152.7314um, which is like a suburb, in comparison to55.3241
55 55.8772like, uh, the west side of Rochester?57.8589 
56ROC_se0_ag3_f_0158.2040I think the people59.6506
58 60.4259where I live at now is friendlier62.7763 
60 63.1545than they were64.1283 
62 64.3600when I was in /RD-ADDRESS-1/65.2677 
64 65.5560cause, you know, the kids were small then. I only had the two67.9292 
66 68.3224when I was in /RD-ADDRESS-1/, but,69.5327 
68 70.3411uh, the people were not72.0051 
70 72.2226very nice72.9932 
72 73.1397[I would say.]73.7827 
73ROC_int_0173.2248[Mm.]73.6834
74ROC_se0_ag3_f_0174.6155Yeah, so75.4712
76 75.7549now, my neighbors are great.77.4615 
78 77.8870I actually have, um, kids from RIT next-door.80.9007 
79ROC_int_0180.9621Oh, [okay.]81.6452
80ROC_se0_ag3_f_0181.4774[So it's] like a a rooming house [next-door]83.4929
81ROC_int_0182.8169[Mm-hm.]83.3369
82ROC_se0_ag3_f_0183.6064and then84.2209
84 84.3580on the other side85.4217 
86 85.7999is a parole officer87.0763 
88 87.6681[so],88.1897 
89ROC_int_0187.8493[Okay.]88.3209
90ROC_se0_ag3_f_0188.5602yeah, so.89.2693
91ROC_int_0189.6853So I've been hearing interesting things.91.5821
93 91.6530At least in the nineteenth ward there are a lot of college students now95.0566 
94ROC_se0_ag3_f_0195.0991Yes.95.5010
95ROC_int_0195.6428who d- weren't there [before.] How do you [think they're] changing like the culture of99.7018
96ROC_se0_ag3_f_0197.1536[Yeah.]97.4893
98 98.1322[Mm-hm.]98.4490 
99ROC_int_0199.9145the community I guess?101.1681
100ROC_se0_ag3_f_01101.4990Um,101.9414
102 102.0076I102.2365 
104 102.8133think they're good for the most part. It depends on who you have105.6308 
106 105.8152in the house.106.6047 
107ROC_int_01106.6418[Okay.]107.0790
108ROC_se0_ag3_f_01106.7426[Cause like] the-107.7389
109 107.8831the108.1731
111 108.2582group that I have now, I've have109.9289 
113 110.2551a little problems with them versus the one I-112.2312 
115 112.4109that was staying there113.4092 
117 113.7732a couple years ago. They were fine.115.4089 
119 115.7682This group here is a bit wild.117.5221 
120ROC_int_01118.0705[Yeah.]118.5886
121ROC_se0_ag3_f_01118.4203[Yeah.] [<laugh>]118.9762
122ROC_int_01118.8297[<laugh>]119.6901
123ROC_se0_ag3_f_01119.4584[They're a] bit wild, but they're in their last year. I- one of 'em122.4801
124 123.0616well she's U of R. She's going to be a doctor, and the other two127.1225
126 127.2275are engineers.128.1667 
127ROC_int_01128.3889Okay.128.7387
128ROC_se0_ag3_f_01128.7482So-129.1264
130 129.4289but th- all of 'em are in their last year.131.2490 
132 131.7029So they- I guess they're just having a little fun, so it doesn't bother [me, but-]135.0980 
133ROC_int_01134.7151[Yeah.]135.1595
134 135.5188Right.135.9537
136 136.3461And to someone who I guess is not from Rochester, how would you describe, um,141.4668 
138 141.8639I guess the west side or like the nineteenth ward?144.2710 
139ROC_se0_ag3_f_01144.6586The nineteenth ward is great. There's, um,146.7813
141 147.0177all kinds of things that148.4568 
143 148.6364go on. They have little carnivals.151.1367 
145 151.6670Um,152.1256 
147 152.2957one on Aberdeen they have every year.154.2766 
149 154.4940You know, they put up a stage, and the community just come and157.2880 
151 157.7474j- they have all kind of vendors. Any vendor can get in it.160.4890 
153 160.5633And it160.8202 
155 161.2173doesn't cost anything162.3387 
156ROC_int_01162.3565[Mm-hm.]162.7087
157ROC_se0_ag3_f_01162.5647[to be] a vendor. They just want you to come out.164.4821
158 165.1942And, um, now they're doing167.2190
160 167.5405I think every week like kickball169.4701 
162 170.0563for the whole community- well, not for the whole community. I think it's for the whole city cause-173.7532 
164 174.3867at, uh, Genesee Park, cause yesterday they had like the east side against the west side.178.7557 
166 179.2899So they're just showing that, you know, they can come together182.0279 
168 182.4723and play nice, and it's not all, you know, gang banging just because you're in the city.186.9170 
170 187.4039So,187.9192 
172 188.0516I th- I think that's gonna- it was like fifteen hundred people there [yesterday.]191.1292 
173ROC_int_01190.7273[Wow.]191.2946
174ROC_se0_ag3_f_01191.5877Yeah,191.9187
176 192.0132just for kickball.192.9343 
178 193.7774So, um,194.9829 
180 195.5029you know, it- it's just not as bad as people say it is,199.0635 
181ROC_int_01199.2999[Yeah.]199.6356
182ROC_se0_ag3_f_01199.3756[you know.]199.7018
183ROC_int_01200.1320Yeah.200.5952
185 200.9025Um,201.3989 
187 202.1128so would you describe then, uh, the community also as diverse206.5243 
189 206.6520in terms [of-]207.5124 
190ROC_se0_ag3_f_01207.3800[Definitely.]208.0655
191ROC_int_01207.9284[Yeah.]208.2451
192ROC_se0_ag3_f_01208.3019Definitely diverse. I think years ago it was more211.8436
194 212.4676where I live at213.4527 
196 213.5732was more-214.2546 
197ROC_int_01214.9968S- hold on. Let me see. <laugh>216.8008
199 241.3208Okay.241.8124 
200ROC_se0_ag3_f_01244.3141So where I'm at now,246.4237
202 246.4994um,246.9804 
204 247.4484years ago it was248.9187 
206 249.8555primarily black.251.0705 
208 251.6047Like when I moved there, it was just-253.1600 
210 253.2924all my neighbors were black.254.4412 
212 254.8808Now it's different.255.5805 
214 256.1439Now, you know, it's-257.3589 
216 257.6662they're white all around me now, so259.7321 
218 260.2379it has changed in-261.7326 
220 262.3897a lot.262.9239 
221ROC_int_01263.1272[Mm-hm.]263.6520
222ROC_se0_ag3_f_01263.1698[<laugh>]263.7134
223ROC_int_01263.9545Yeah, well so where are all the black people going then?266.0346
224ROC_se0_ag3_f_01266.0677They're going out.266.8619
225ROC_int_01267.5285[Okay.]267.9501
226ROC_se0_ag3_f_01267.6144[I think] they're moving out, you know, because,269.7418
227 270.4698I think, of the crime in the city. They just want out.272.9092
228ROC_int_01273.4103[Yeah.]273.7460
229ROC_se0_ag3_f_01273.5892[And they] might can't leave the city, th- but they can certainly maybe go to the suburbs, or just a little bit further out.278.6614
230 279.0302Maybe not all the way in the suburbs, but280.9543
232 281.3277they're moving out.282.0416 
233ROC_int_01282.1645Mm-hm.282.5332
234ROC_se0_ag3_f_01283.0163[You know], and- and the white people are moving back in.285.8386
236 286.6517I think287.2663 
238 287.4365because it's cheaper in the city.289.0210 
239ROC_int_01290.0989[Yeah.]290.4251
240ROC_se0_ag3_f_01290.1745[You know], they went out there and those houses were not (laughing)292.7982
241 293.0724easy to maintain and keep up and-295.4937
243 295.8247with today's economy with people being laid off and-298.7557 
245 299.1954so they weren't able to keep up that lifestyle, so they had to come back.302.7040 
246ROC_int_01302.9545Mm-hm.303.4131
247ROC_se0_ag3_f_01303.5927I- in my opinion it's cheaper.305.3183
248ROC_int_01305.5357Yeah.306.0368
250 306.4584Um, you touched a little bit like on the economy.309.4090 
252 309.4887Um,309.8811 
254 310.5477I wanted to talk311.2032 
256 311.3041a little bit about Rochester's economy. So Ro- uh, Kodak was like the315.8216 
258 316.2148[employer] (laughing) [for everybody.] Did [you ever] work at-318.6731 
259ROC_se0_ag3_f_01316.3094[Mm-hm.]316.5552
261 317.0279[Mm-hm.]317.4061 
263 317.7702[Mm-hm.]318.0160 
264 318.9000I never worked at Kodak. But I did work for, um, /RD-WORK-2/.322.5836
265ROC_int_01322.7821Okay.323.1745
266ROC_se0_ag3_f_01323.2218For /RD-WORK-5/.324.3753
268 324.8622So I worked there, and when the economy took a dive328.7538 
270 328.9854when General Motors basically took a dive cause331.2499 
272 331.7032th-331.8544 
274 332.0299they were basically making these SUV's, these big cars.335.3400 
276 335.6331So the economy went down,337.0371 
278 337.2640so people weren't buying those SUV's because of the gas. [Gas went up],340.4890 
279ROC_int_01340.0496[Mm-hm.]340.3976
280ROC_se0_ag3_f_01340.8152so they couldn't buy that341.8033
282 342.0254no more, so342.8338 
284 343.2168a lot of people lost their jobs344.8714 
286 345.7893from GM because they weren't selling those models anymore.348.9000 
288 349.1600They're getting a- back to it a little bit350.6502 
290 350.7105now, but351.4670 
292 352.0719people don't buy 'em like they used to.353.5279 
293ROC_int_01353.7501Mm-hm.354.3088
295 354.6256Yeah, that makes sense. So where do people work now, you s- like what characterizes359.2501 
297 359.4245sort of the job- the kinds of jobs people get now, I guess?362.3227 
298ROC_se0_ag3_f_01362.3700I see a lot,363.7315
300 364.0479um, around like call centers366.2905 
302 366.7585where367.1832 
304 367.4314a long time ago, you- you-368.7787 
306 369.2054maybe one or two call centers. Now370.8986 
308 371.2390everyone has call centers.372.5060 
310 372.7613So that's basically where people go to get their-375.3606 
312 375.4930their375.7719 
314 375.9066employment.376.5102 
315ROC_int_01376.8911Mm-hm.377.3591
316ROC_se0_ag3_f_01377.4584Lot of call centers.378.4890
317ROC_int_01378.6525Yeah.379.1442
319 379.5508And what's interesting about that though is that381.8152 
321 382.3786they don't have the same types of benefits384.9125 
323 385.0437[I think] as like385.9431 
324ROC_se0_ag3_f_01385.0863[Mm-mm.]385.3652
325ROC_int_01386.2599Delphi and [like]387.3736
326ROC_se0_ag3_f_01387.2460[Oh yeah.]387.6100
327 387.9125[They're-]388.1395
328ROC_int_01388.0534[K-]388.1845
329ROC_se0_ag3_f_01388.2198der- they're definitely389.7907
331 390.0035different, but390.7504 
333 391.0908with a call center, you really don't need393.0819 
335 393.5546the education394.8311 
337 395.5496/that/ you know, you could basically go there on a high school diploma. So that's why a lot of people are going there.400.4765 
339 400.7932And then those that401.9515 
341 402.2493have lost their jobs that can't find employment, they'll go there too405.2615 
343 405.5546cause they need a check.406.3441 
345 406.5994They gotta pay the bills, so407.8475 
347 408.2115you got all kind of people in the call centers.410.1356 
348ROC_int_01410.2396Mm-hm.410.7312
349ROC_se0_ag3_f_01410.9448[Yeah.]411.2899
350ROC_int_01411.0677[Right.]411.4081
351 411.8619Yeah.412.2118
353 412.6278I know people,413.6111 
355 413.8427/?/413.9798 
357 414.2115yeah, degrees and [stuff like] you said, who [are] there416.6915 
358ROC_se0_ag3_f_01415.2354[Mm-hm.]415.5049
360 416.0722[Mm-hm.]416.3464 
361ROC_int_01416.8286[and]417.1217
362ROC_se0_ag3_f_01416.9987[Mm-hm.]417.3013
363ROC_int_01417.8875make, what, thirteen,419.0410
364ROC_se0_ag3_f_01419.1403Oh yeah.419.6367
365ROC_int_01419.7501twelve dollars [an hour.]420.6114
366ROC_se0_ag3_f_01420.2521[With degrees.]421.0510
367ROC_int_01421.1661[Mm-hm.]421.5632
368ROC_se0_ag3_f_01421.1897[Yup.]421.4131
369ROC_int_01421.9656[Yeah.]422.2540
370ROC_se0_ag3_f_01422.1050[Yup.]422.3556
371ROC_int_01423.5107Um,424.0922
373 424.4751I wanted to ask a little bit more about426.6744 
375 426.7370where you went to school, [like elementary], [middle], yeah.429.9066 
376ROC_se0_ag3_f_01428.0802[Okay.]428.3733
378 429.2101[Okay.]429.5694 
379 430.3664So, elementary school, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ School, which was434.4328
381 434.5699like434.9718 
383 435.6478around the corner from us.436.6784 
385 436.9053M-436.9857 
387 437.1511my sister and I walked there.438.7301 
389 439.2407Um,439.6016 
391 439.7127I439.8561 
393 440.2043think when I was younger I was at /RD-SCHOOL-2/, but briefly,442.7824 
394ROC_int_01443.0093[Okay.]443.3686
395ROC_se0_ag3_f_01443.2315[briefly.] So444.1014
396 444.3708/RD-SCHOOL-3/, I went there in the fifth grade446.4896
398 447.0190and, um,448.0165 
400 449.5719I was449.9737 
402 450.1155actually in a class with, um,452.3714 
404 452.5416<ts>452.6739 
406 453.2460special needs kids454.6122 
408 454.9431as a helper.455.8697 
410 456.6450Yeah, so457.4117 
412 457.7663now that, um, /RD-NAME-3/'s in459.8984 
414 460.0638school,460.5886 
416 461.2362I encouraged her to do the same thing.463.0950 
417ROC_int_01463.1312[Mm-hm.]463.6465
418ROC_se0_ag3_f_01463.5819[You] know, just so you can,464.7421
419 465.2006y-465.2621
421 465.4086you know, get- get to know them and help them and,468.3720 
423 468.4441you know /and/ really really appreciate. So470.6759 
425 470.9548she did that last year. Well she wasn't with handicap but473.8063 
427 474.1041she was with, uh, a few autistic kids and this and that,477.2621 
429 477.7679which I don't know which-478.4857 
431 478.5921was the best idea but-479.9946 
433 480.1148because she was so young.481.1395 
435 481.4893But I thought it was a good idea at the time, but483.5127 
437 483.7018now I don't know484.3021 
439 484.8703because she was taking on some of their-487.0071 
441 487.6878their, uh, activities /if/ they were doing in class, [like you know],490.8703 
442ROC_int_01490.2690[Mm-hm.]490.7500
443ROC_se0_ag3_f_01491.2107and I was like, where is she getting this from?493.1820
445 493.4704So when I went to visit her class, I saw.496.0232 
446ROC_int_01496.4306[Okay.]496.7568
447ROC_se0_ag3_f_01496.6244[I saw] exactly where she wa-497.7023
448 498.0120Where I got in to it, I was in the fifth grade.500.3340
450 500.7027Her- her, she was first grade [so m- ]502.5370 
451ROC_int_01502.2959[Mm-hm.]502.7497
452ROC_se0_ag3_f_01502.8301maybe that was a little early, but504.4375
454 505.0804that- that's what I did in506.3521 
456 506.5893elementary school.507.3788 
457ROC_int_01507.7617Okay.508.2250
459 508.5039Cool, and was middle school also in the same511.2695 
460ROC_se0_ag3_f_01511.3385[Middle school], I- where was I in middle school?514.5200
461ROC_int_01511.3952[neighborhood, or-]512.3974
462ROC_se0_ag3_f_01514.7990Um,515.3521
464 516.0991<ts>516.1632 
466 516.5679m- uh, /RD-SCHOOL-3/517.7545 
467ROC_int_01518.2603[Okay.]518.5737
468ROC_se0_ag3_f_01518.3265[up in-]518.7339
469 518.8095yeah.519.2734
471 519.3809I was there and then, um,521.5284 
473 521.9208from there I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/.523.1744 
474ROC_int_01523.6613Okay.524.0490
475ROC_se0_ag3_f_01524.3373Yeah.524.7025
476ROC_int_01524.7250[Um],525.1930
477ROC_se0_ag3_f_01524.8420[High school.]525.4199
478ROC_int_01525.8359And what was /RD-SCHOOL-3/ like]527.2089
480 527.3023back then [I guess?]528.2403 
481ROC_se0_ag3_f_01527.8101[I loved] [it. I loved] it529.2898
482ROC_int_01528.4247[<laugh>]528.8785
483ROC_se0_ag3_f_01529.4222cause I s- I started at the old /RD-SCHOOL-3/ on Clifford or whatever. I only went there for ninth grade.534.7792
485 535.1196And then I went t-535.8630 
487 535.9694they built the new one, so I was the first class at the new one.539.3346 
489 539.7789So,540.3415 
491 540.6733it was a trade school,541.6282 
493 542.0584[so I] loved it,543.2592 
494ROC_int_01542.0915[Okay.]542.5501
495ROC_se0_ag3_f_01543.7083versus there was no other544.9564
497 545.1786school in the city that had a trade school.547.0562 
498ROC_int_01547.3068[Right.]547.8268
499ROC_se0_ag3_f_01547.5999[You know], so548.3421
500ROC_int_01548.4555Oh, [I didn't know that.]549.5570
501ROC_se0_ag3_f_01548.7770[that was the only one],549.6705
502 549.9210mm-hm,550.3698
504 550.4844at the time.551.1124 
506 551.7756So I went in there, and I took up sewing,554.5231 
508 555.7239which I still do to this day, so558.0214 
510 558.6786[yeah.]558.9433 
511ROC_int_01558.7302[I didn't] know that [either.]560.0937
512ROC_se0_ag3_f_01559.5342[Yeah. For] our final we had to561.9055
513 562.2789do a fashion show, and everything we wore in the fashion show we had to make.565.3526
514ROC_int_01565.7876Mm-hm.566.1232
515ROC_se0_ag3_f_01566.1799So, um,567.0841
517 567.1999I mean from the bathing suit- everything you had to make.569.3359 
519 569.9883So that was fun.571.1324 
521 571.3404That was really fun. Now I still sew. I can get a pattern and574.8490 
523 575.1847make a outfit,576.0025 
525 576.1538just- <laugh>576.9622 
527 577.1371cause you never forget,577.8037 
529 578.0070cause you were there for three years579.6581 
531 579.7432[every day.]580.4141 
532ROC_int_01579.9553[Right.]580.2910
533ROC_se0_ag3_f_01580.7909[So that's] something you won't forget.582.3746
534ROC_int_01580.8807[Mm-hm.]581.3677
535 582.8955Yeah.583.2311
536ROC_se0_ag3_f_01583.3446Yeah, it's just in me to sew.584.7344
537ROC_int_01585.0039[Yeah.]585.3857
538ROC_se0_ag3_f_01585.2639[<laugh>]585.4388
539ROC_int_01585.4968That's great. [So]586.7472
540ROC_se0_ag3_f_01586.2472[Yeah.]586.5593
541ROC_int_01587.2116after you got your trade, what made you decide to go to school for criminal [justice?]592.7862
542ROC_se0_ag3_f_01592.6774[I] know.593.2822
543 593.3779I know. I [went to criminal] justice. (laughing)595.4235
544ROC_int_01593.8918[<laugh>]594.5915
545ROC_se0_ag3_f_01596.0098I don't know. It was so much happening- starting to happen in the city that600.6246
547 601.5890I had- I was just drawn to it.603.2775 
549 603.3992I was just drawn to the criminal justice. I wanted to do more, so606.8379 
551 607.3493you know, I did that. I graduated,609.3017 
553 609.5145and609.9920 
555 610.7673then I went into /RD-WORK-4/612.9785 
557 613.2453with,613.5447 
559 613.6641uh, young kids with,615.0754 
561 615.1865um,615.6469 
563 616.3485<ts>616.4552 
565 616.6540problem-616.9359 
567 617.0174behavioral problems.618.0687 
569 618.3760Some of 'em were on probation, but620.0968 
571 620.4758they had to report to this program every day after school.623.6905 
573 624.0923That was part of their release or whatever.626.2670 
575 626.6697So, um,627.7712 
577 628.1399I did that for a couple years,629.9789 
579 630.5056and then they let631.4596 
581 631.5246everybody go. They were downsizing633.4705 
583 633.9953because of the money.634.9313 
585 635.2867So they let everybody go that didn't have a master's degree so.638.1799 
587 638.5298Master's degree, stay, anybody up under640.8321 
589 641.2395was out of a job.641.9675 
590ROC_int_01642.3740[Mm-hm.]642.7712
591ROC_se0_ag3_f_01642.6010[So] that's how I ended up where I am now.644.6432
592 645.1160So645.6691
594 645.8440I'm not even in my field. I'm doing electronics648.4166 
595ROC_int_01649.0123[Right.]649.4956
596ROC_se0_ag3_f_01649.4835[which pays] good,650.6905
597ROC_int_01649.5902[Okay.]649.9592
598ROC_se0_ag3_f_01651.0120you know, but I'm not in the field.652.8462
600 653.2915So, um,654.2890 
602 654.5301you know, I'm hoping to get back in there656.2999 
604 656.3838cause656.5912 
606 656.9661my, uh, study was, uh, forensics.659.6702 
608 659.9633So I was into the science part of it.662.2948 
610 662.8763So663.2923 
612 663.5523I just gotta get back into it, but665.0887 
614 665.7600I wasn't a- I had to come out. I wasn't able to finish w- for-669.0264 
616 669.1375/RD-SCHOOL-2/ because670.1858 
618 670.4552/RD-NAME-2/ was in college,671.5095 
619ROC_int_01671.7553[Okay.]672.1004
620ROC_se0_ag3_f_01671.9933[and] I was going back and forth. And then /RD-NAME-2/ was in college.674.5217
621 674.8857Then /RD-NAME-2/ went to MCC. So I had all three of them677.8215
623 678.1051in college at the same time.679.4438 
625 679.8977So I had to back up off cause I had to- you know,683.0509 
627 683.4480I had to make sure they got theirs. That was more important, [so.]686.1841 
628ROC_int_01685.8126[Mm-hm.]686.1959
629ROC_se0_ag3_f_01687.0417[So.]687.3927
630ROC_int_01687.1138[Yeah.]687.3472
631 687.4903Nah, I, uh, [totally] understand.689.0639
632ROC_se0_ag3_f_01688.2082[Yeah.]688.4139
633 689.1104[<laugh>]689.8101
634ROC_int_01689.3704[I get it.] I [feel like, you know], my mom would do the [same.] (laughing)692.1975
635ROC_se0_ag3_f_01690.0181[<laugh>]690.7792
637 691.8713[Oh yeah], yeah.692.6418 
638ROC_int_01692.6797[Yeah.]693.1051
639ROC_se0_ag3_f_01692.8215[That's the] sacrifices you make, so, you know, I don't-695.4224
640 695.9519/RD-NAME-2/'s out now but,697.4411
642 697.8051you know, she was still there in Charlotte alone,700.4249 
644 700.8457so I was still helping her,702.2356 
646 702.6043you know, so.703.4411 
647ROC_int_01703.9327Yeah.704.3298
649 704.6135[Right.]704.9365 
650ROC_se0_ag3_f_01704.7734[Yeah.]704.9176
651ROC_int_01705.0949Makes sense.706.0191
653 706.3749Um,706.9422 
655 707.6040so you talked a little bit also about, uh,710.5956 
657 710.6807the crime here and stuff in [Rochester], and I'm curious to know like,714.3415 
658ROC_se0_ag3_f_01711.9825[Mm-hm.]712.2520
659ROC_int_01714.7631do you think,715.6471
661 715.8599um,716.4319 
663 716.8952that it's changed over the past few decades, or it's something that's kind of been here for a while and just,722.6966 
665 722.9708has it been resolved, or-724.4694 
666ROC_se0_ag3_f_01724.5451Oh, I definitely think it's getting worse.726.7773
667ROC_int_01726.8860Yeah.727.2531
668ROC_se0_ag3_f_01727.2815S-727.4517
670 727.5463definitely getting worse because,729.6151 
672 730.1210um, I-731.1421 
674 732.4611I mean you've always had shootings, but it's like735.2228 
676 735.7050every other day,736.5490 
678 736.8942there's something.737.6291 
680 738.3713And I- I don't know if I wasn't into the news when I was smaller,741.6057 
682 742.0737and- so it didn't impact me as much, but now744.9764 
684 745.7281because n- you know, my kids know some of these kids that are being killed, that they went to high school with and750.6786 
686 751.0047elementary s- so752.1733 
688 752.5231now I'm more in tune to it because I know the kids.755.0901 
690 755.2556So, um,756.2436 
692 756.8771yeah. I definitely think it's getting worse.758.7122 
693ROC_int_01759.2822[Yeah.]759.6427
694ROC_se0_ag3_f_01759.6049[Yeah.]759.9035
695ROC_int_01760.4992And761.0192
697 761.6243I guess what kind of, um,763.5957 
699 763.8415programs were-765.1188 
701 766.4141things that- have you feel like-767.9517 
703 768.0675have you felt like Rochester have tried to done-770.0653 
705 770.1504do to like improve upon771.9719 
707 772.8488[the crime] in the city, or-774.3077 
708ROC_se0_ag3_f_01772.8827[Y-]772.9784
709 774.5186Oh, well, they put in all kinds of cameras,777.6498
711 777.7302so they got these, um,779.2780 
713 779.6574<ts>779.7189 
715 779.8040sound-780.4800 
717 780.8251they got- I don't know, those aren't cameras, but they pick up sound.783.5495 
719 783.8204So they can pick up a gunshot.785.2433 
721 785.5940And then they got the cameras all around, so787.9388 
723 788.3359maybe that's789.5178 
725 789.9244they- I- I don't know if they put it there to791.8729 
727 792.0053deter792.5821 
729 792.8893people, cause it doesn't. It doesn't.794.5771 
731 794.8796Or to help them796.0709 
733 796.2033maybe catch them.797.3766 
735 797.8020So a few of 'em has worked,799.2675 
737 799.7781you know,800.2260 
739 800.3419helped solve some cases but801.8385 
741 802.3325there's still far too many that s-803.7177 
743 803.8784goes unsolved805.0406 
745 805.6570[that-]805.9383 
746ROC_int_01805.7385[Mm-hm.]806.1912
747ROC_se0_ag3_f_01806.6669And- and I807.2673
749 807.4469think that's one of the reasons why809.1071 
751 809.4238I was so into the forensics811.3095 
753 811.4029because I'm like,812.2509 
755 812.6952you got the evidence, why- [you know], (laughing)814.5720 
756ROC_int_01814.1040[<laugh>]814.5106
757ROC_se0_ag3_f_01814.8817I need to get in there. I need to solve this, but817.1919
759 817.8017I don't- I don't know why so many goes819.5604 
761 819.8298unsolved.820.5248 
762ROC_int_01820.6382Mm-hm.821.0873
764 821.4900Yeah, and I feel like it's822.8846 
766 823.2581happening a lot with younger824.8560 
767ROC_se0_ag3_f_01825.1396Very [younger.]825.7920
768ROC_int_01825.4895[/?/]825.6833
769ROC_se0_ag3_f_01826.1513[Very young.]826.8384
770ROC_int_01826.3042[and] I'm- I just wonder like why are829.2108
771 829.3621younger people,830.5676
773 830.9694um,831.4185 
775 832.5059yeah, I guess, more likely to,833.9486 
777 835.0359uh, commit the crime.836.1327 
778ROC_se0_ag3_f_01836.5109I don't know why they're so838.2458
780 838.4302angry,839.0401 
782 839.6744you know, definitely /they're/ angry over nothing, whereas,842.3407 
784 842.7992you know, when I was younger, we would fist fight.844.7942 
786 845.0409The- you would never think of going to get a gun, or,847.4046 
788 847.7450you know, maybe you might hear of a stabbing, but you never heard of a shooting somebody851.4286 
790 851.7453your age. But now it's just nothing for the kids to hear that,855.3618 
792 856.0804so.856.5768 
793ROC_int_01857.0976Yeah.857.5278
794ROC_se0_ag3_f_01857.9958[Yeah], they don't-858.6640
795ROC_int_01858.0021[Sh-]858.1055
796ROC_se0_ag3_f_01858.7621I don't know, they don't fear anything.860.5676
798 861.8062Why? I don't know.863.0495 
800 863.5420I don't know. I heard some interesting stories when I worked866.0665 
802 866.4258with pass-866.9505 
804 867.1727/RD-WORK-4/ with the kids because,869.2725 
806 869.5798you know, most of 'em were on probation, and,871.7167 
808 872.1327you know, you have to get to the root cause, why.874.2033 
810 874.9786You know, why- why are you doing what you do, so,877.3905 
812 877.7876you know, one girl,878.8134 
814 878.9978you know, every day she would come in, sign in with me, and she just sat there in front of me. So882.8090 
816 883.6977she had got in trouble again,885.1869 
818 885.3571so I was like, you know I have to report this to the judge888.1613 
820 888.3268[that]888.5590 
821ROC_int_01888.4639[Mm-hm.]888.8893
822ROC_se0_ag3_f_01888.6611[you] got in trouble again.889.8065
823 890.2225So, um,891.1254
825 891.2720I would have to go to court and report it. So893.7595 
827 894.4781I was like, well what's going on with you? Why are you so angry?897.9386 
829 898.5437She told me that her dad was molesting her901.6930 
830ROC_int_01902.2745Mm.902.6054
831ROC_se0_ag3_f_01902.7898since she was five.903.7826
833 904.1844And I think she was like fourteen at the time.906.0573 
835 906.8704I was like, what? Does your mother know?908.7331 
837 909.2153She said, yeah,909.8818 
839 910.1088and my dad's beating my mother.912.1519 
841 912.9555So I was like,913.9057 
843 914.9032<ts> I understand you told me this in confidence917.0606 
845 917.2000but917.4785 
847 917.7520I can't-918.3145 
849 918.7164I can't keep this information. So920.5042 
851 920.8351I had to go to my boss and tell him what she told me.923.5109 
853 924.0120So, you know, she was like, I know.925.5153 
855 925.9408But I think that was just her way of927.8468 
857 928.3479saying a-928.9241 
859 929.0068enough is enough. [I'm tired.]930.3307 
860ROC_int_01929.7847[Mm-hm.]930.3118
861ROC_se0_ag3_f_01930.9116And she knew I had to go report that.932.6324
863 932.9822I couldn't keep it just between the two of us.935.0159 
865 935.4224So,935.9519 
867 936.5319you know, it- it m-937.2315 
869 937.4585it made me realize, okay, she's been fighting all these years,940.8481 
871 941.1364and she's been angry, but the root problem was943.3355 
873 943.6759what's going on at home with her dad945.2454 
875 945.9357and her mom being beat up. So,947.6659 
877 948.4454um,948.8520 
879 949.1782there's- there's reasons why they're out there doing it. Somebody just952.2282 
881 952.5308has to be-953.5897 
883 954.7480has to get to the root cause, what's going on.956.7666 
884ROC_int_01957.1353Mm-hm.957.6317
886 958.0533And958.5213 
888 958.7482do you ever ke-959.7658 
890 959.8556uh, I guess, run into or catch up with some of like,962.5775 
892 962.7524uh, the cases on your964.3417 
893ROC_se0_ag3_f_01964.5591Yeah.964.8191
894ROC_int_01964.9137[workload? Yeah.]965.7505
895ROC_se0_ag3_f_01965.3628[Yeah, I] see 'em because they're967.1876
896 967.7880right in the neighborhood,968.7871
898 968.8887so I see 'em a lot. And they remember me and971.0291 
900 971.4215I remember the- I- is- one of 'em visits973.5071 
902 974.0886uh one of my neighbors across the street. From mommy house, not my house.977.4451 
904 977.9510But,978.1495 
906 978.3622she visits over there. So she still remembers me.981.0766 
908 981.3887But that981.8898 
910 982.4902particular little girl, I never saw her again984.5797 
912 984.7026after I left there.985.6773 
914 986.3959So her dad was friends with my boss.990.1590 
916 990.5616Her dad actually worked there.991.9515 
917ROC_int_01992.2481[Wow.] (whispered)993.2717
918ROC_se0_ag3_f_01992.9821[Mm-hm.]993.4123
919 994.3625He [worked there.]995.0858
920ROC_int_01994.6173[Wow.]995.2627
921ROC_se0_ag3_f_01995.4120Yup.995.6437
922ROC_int_01995.9935Yeah.996.5608
923ROC_se0_ag3_f_01997.0335Yup. He was like a ride along in the police cars.999.6676
925 999.8472Her dad was.1000.7502 
927 1001.5633So he was there for the meetings every week.1003.7151 
929 1004.8119So-1005.4407 
931 1005.6203and then I had to1006.8530 
933 1006.9499aft-1007.4435 
935 1007.5156after that,1008.3197 
937 1009.0586cause nothing happened right away. You know, they have to investigate stuff before.1012.8556 
939 1013.2716So I would see him.1014.5149 
941 1015.3375<laugh> Like-1016.0380 
942ROC_int_011016.3453[<laugh>]1017.3381
943ROC_se0_ag3_f_011017.0544[<inhale>]1017.8675
944 1018.3308like, really?1019.0258
946 1019.6545You know, so1020.5669 
948 1020.8080it was hard.1021.4557 
950 1021.6164It was a hard job working with the kids1023.5650 
951ROC_int_011023.7399[Mm-hm.]1024.2883
952ROC_se0_ag3_f_011024.1464[cause] you get attached.1025.2385
953 1025.4087You know, you see 'em every day. You want the best for 'em.1027.7402
955 1028.1704So you kind of get attached to 'em, and so it's bad when1031.2669 
957 1031.5505you hear something like that.1032.8553 
959 1033.3375But I bet it's more of that going on with the kids. We just-1036.5341 
961 1036.9076they just won't tell nobody.1038.2360 
962ROC_int_011038.7513Mm-hm.1039.1862
963ROC_se0_ag3_f_011039.4651Yeah, /know./1039.9426
964ROC_int_011040.2838[Especially] if your perpetrator is like1042.3450
965ROC_se0_ag3_f_011040.3264[So-]1040.6289
966 1042.5105your [dad.]1042.9879
967ROC_int_011042.7657[right] [there.]1043.5600
968ROC_se0_ag3_f_011043.4323[And you] don't know what's gonna happen to you1045.4320
969 1045.9615cause you know, okay yeah, he'll go to jail, but what's gonna happen to me?1048.9690
971 1049.5363So.1050.0422 
972ROC_int_011050.3542Mm-hm.1050.9404
974 1051.8575Yeah.1052.2357 
976 1052.8748Okay,1053.3995 
978 1053.8108um,1054.4248 
980 1054.5264I wanted to aks you some more questions I guess about1057.2146 
982 1057.9710growing up in Rochester and just how you've seen the city change.1061.5505 
983ROC_se0_ag3_f_011062.0233[Oh.]1062.3116
984ROC_int_011062.0705[Um],1062.5622
985 1062.9804<ts>1063.0637
987 1063.2524so, uh,1064.2830 
989 1064.4437in particular you talked about like your neighborhood changing in terms of the demographics, [right.]1071.0004 
990ROC_se0_ag3_f_011070.6667[Mm-hm.]1070.9591
991ROC_int_011071.2327Black folks are moving [kind of] out.1073.0764
992ROC_se0_ag3_f_011072.5563[Yeah.]1072.7265
993 1073.2040Mm-hm.1073.5255
994ROC_int_011073.7099Um,1074.2498
996 1074.3467are there any other changes you've [noticed?]1076.4891 
997ROC_se0_ag3_f_011076.3614[Yes.]1076.8054
998 1076.8822I've noticed,1077.8661
1000 1078.0127uh, the kids, when I was smaller,1080.2488 
1002 1080.8311we were outside.1081.6962 
1004 1082.2966Go outside and play.1083.1718 
1006 1083.2545We rode bikes. We had bikes.1084.8258 
1008 1085.1473We roller skate outside. We were hula hooping, jump roping,1088.2777 
1010 1088.6417playing in the street, you know, football and kickball.1091.5066 
1012 1091.8800You don't see that anymore.1093.0950 
1014 1094.0177You don't see it at all. So I have no kids on my street playing, none.1097.8375 
1016 1098.3055Not one out there playing.1099.6915 
1018 1100.2115So1100.7883 
1020 1101.0766I think that's changed it a lot.1102.4618 
1022 1103.4026You don't see it no more.1104.5986 
1023ROC_int_011105.5213Yeah.1105.9279
1025 1106.6275Um,1107.1712 
1027 1107.5163and1108.1214 
1029 1109.1520you, uh- what about the schools, I guess, do you feel like1113.0010 
1031 1113.8945I hear mixed <laugh> reviews about them. Do you feel like they're getting1117.1904 
1033 1117.4126worse, uh, than when you guys were going to school, or-1120.4949 
1034ROC_se0_ag3_f_011120.7454I do think they're getting worse, um,1122.9966
1036 1123.8806you know, there's a lot of like bullying1126.4429 
1038 1126.7109I would say1127.5139 
1040 1127.9728that's going on in these schools, with the younger ones.1130.5893 
1042 1131.0269So,1131.6534 
1044 1131.7593you know,1132.1785 
1046 1132.3947I- I know even, uh, my granddaughter, /RD-NAME-3/,1135.1215 
1048 1135.3995at camp she kept saying, I don't wanna go cause this girl talked about me and this and that and the-1139.1419 
1050 1139.5346and, you know, it's bad when you can't go to camp1141.7055 
1052 1141.8687and enjoy yourself1142.9991 
1054 1143.4138because you got people that are picking on you for whatever reason.1146.3436 
1056 1146.8510So I just say, well maybe she's jealous,1148.8814 
1058 1149.0712or maybe, you know, I don't know why she's bullying, but1151.7362 
1060 1152.2480I would imagine that's why,1154.0446 
1061ROC_int_011154.4329[Mm-hm.]1154.9055
1062ROC_se0_ag3_f_011154.7673[you know], so.1155.6639
1063 1156.3935I- I think that's- that's changing. It's more violence there.1159.7650
1064ROC_int_011160.1385Yeah.1160.4457
1065ROC_se0_ag3_f_011160.4741You know, kids are1161.3345
1067 1161.6513committing suicide at young ages.1163.8448 
1069 1165.0409So it's- it's stuff that's going on in the schools and on the internet and-1168.9135 
1071 1169.9551so.1170.3995 
1072ROC_int_011170.5272Mm-hm.1171.0708
1074 1171.5731Yeah.1172.0648 
1076 1172.5942Um, I also noticed that a lot of, uh,1175.4883 
1078 1175.7341I guess,1176.3014 
1080 1176.7978people my age or millennials are kind of moving away from Rochester [altogether] like1181.3937 
1081ROC_se0_ag3_f_011180.7839[Yes.]1181.1432
1082ROC_int_011181.7436your daughter [went to-] yeah.1183.2516
1083ROC_se0_ag3_f_011182.5142[Yeah.]1182.7080
1084 1183.3339[Yes.]1183.7121
1085ROC_int_011183.6866[Um],1184.1310
1086 1184.4000what do you think it would take <laugh> to get1187.1664
1088 1187.4454more of us to stay around? [Why-] yeah.1189.6909 
1089ROC_se0_ag3_f_011189.0338[I-]1189.1803
1090 1189.7949better jobs.1190.7310
1092 1191.3266They're going because of the economy I think.1193.9181 
1094 1194.4570Yeah.1194.8447 
1096 1195.1992I don't think it's more so the violence. I just think, okay, I done went to school for all these years.1200.1781 
1098 1200.6556You know, I wanna be able to make a decent salary, and there's no guarantee staying here you're gonna do that.1205.3594 
1100 1205.8945Years ago, yes.1206.9392 
1102 1207.4404Yeah, you woulda-1208.0455 
1104 1208.2818you woulda been1208.8397 
1106 1209.0004good. But now1209.9956 
1108 1210.2935you gotta fight for it here,1211.5376 
1110 1212.1286you know.1212.5304 
1112 1212.9890So1213.4617 
1114 1213.9487there's no guarantees here.1215.2865 
1115ROC_int_011215.9058Yeah.1216.1847
1117 1217.2304Yeah.1217.5755 
1119 1217.9773Um,1218.5493 
1121 1219.6461and,1220.4214 
1123 1220.6814mm,1221.0974 
1125 1221.6505/kind of-/1221.9673 
1127 1222.2509are there any other changes that are1224.2373 
1129 1224.3649recognizable to you, I guess, in terms of1226.6861 
1131 1227.0880maybe the whole of Rochester, or-1228.9128 
1132ROC_se0_ag3_f_011229.4620Um,1230.1049
1134 1230.9842not off hand.1232.0574 
1136 1232.2890I can't think of anything.1233.7073 
1137ROC_int_011234.5960Yeah.1234.7804
1139 1234.9459Okay.1235.4139 
1141 1236.0435Um,1236.6864 
1143 1237.5468let's see. I have some other questions.1239.3622 
1145 1240.1327Didn't print 'em out.1240.9270 
1147 1241.3251Um,1241.9347 
1149 1246.4968so we talked about schools. We talked about1248.9322 
1151 1249.4144college,1250.2985 
1153 1251.0312neighborhoods.1252.0807 
1155 1268.9442Well I think I covered [all <laugh>]1270.6934 
1156ROC_se0_ag3_f_011269.8992[<laugh>]1271.1378
1157ROC_int_011271.2512/your/ bases. Um,1273.0666
1159 1275.2326oh, I know what I could ask you1277.1248 
1161 1277.2477that would1277.5928 
1163 1277.8811be good,1278.5627 
1165 1278.6443um,1279.0810 
1167 1279.3102if you1280.0985 
1169 1281.3135remember any of the stories, I guess, from your parents about1285.4635 
1171 1285.5596them first coming to Rochester,1287.8079 
1172ROC_se0_ag3_f_011287.9273Mm-hm.1288.2441
1173ROC_int_011288.2760and sort of what it was like and,1290.2804
1175 1290.8930you know,1291.3800 
1177 1292.0418[yeah how it's] [changed and-]1293.4973 
1178ROC_se0_ag3_f_011292.1667[/??/]1292.6680
1180 1293.2838[Well] I know1294.1875 
1181 1294.4759when they came they had to stay with- my dad stayed with his brother,1298.4659
1183 1298.7362um,1299.3886 
1185 1300.6319and my mom came, and1302.6316 
1187 1302.8444they didn't have a car, so they caught the bus and-1305.2704 
1189 1305.8944you know, s-1306.3199 
1191 1306.5468the- /all of the-/1307.0054 
1193 1307.1992I- I don't1307.8666 
1195 1307.9670ever remember1309.1327 
1197 1309.3658having to catch the bu-1310.4515 
1199 1310.5319you know what I'm [saying. (laughing) I d-]1311.4829 
1200ROC_int_011311.1236[Mm-hm.]1311.6508
1201ROC_se0_ag3_f_011311.7382I don't have room to- I didn't go through that1313.6113
1203 1313.6822because,1314.2426 
1205 1314.6931you know, by the time I was like eighteen, I had a car, so.1318.0883 
1207 1319.2039You know, they- she said, oh no I caught the bus, it was midnight.1322.4444 
1209 1322.5260I would have to, you know,1323.5276 
1211 1323.9011catch the bus. I was getting in at midnight1325.6773 
1213 1325.7683from work1326.5682 
1215 1327.1105on- on the bus and stuff.1328.5287 
1217 1328.9542So1329.4386 
1219 1329.5509I1329.9693 
1221 1330.1536think1330.3989 
1223 1330.8338that's different,1331.6327 
1225 1331.9495you [know], (laughing)1332.5562 
1226ROC_int_011332.4900[Mm-hm.]1333.0739
1227ROC_se0_ag3_f_011332.8848[cause I] can't-1333.5679
1228 1333.7499I can't relate.1334.5280
1230 1334.8731So,1335.3269 
1232 1335.4900you know, they just worked hard and made sure1337.5287 
1234 1338.0204that I didn't have to do that.1339.4206 
1236 1339.7846[You know], so,1340.7443 
1237ROC_int_011339.8488[Yeah.]1340.0142
1238ROC_se0_ag3_f_011341.4014um,1341.8836
1240 1343.4261that's basically it. Once they,1345.1753 
1242 1345.6811um, both got1346.5355 
1244 1346.6702jobs, then, you know, they were1348.4665 
1246 1348.7676out on their own, and1349.9873 
1248 1350.4364then they1350.9612 
1250 1351.2646had an apartment on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ then they bought an apa-1353.5255 
1252 1353.6177had an apartment on /RD-ADDRESS-3/1355.1789 
1254 1355.5335then they bought this house.1356.6728 
1256 1357.0566So1357.3638 
1258 1357.6097they actually bought the house for seventeen thousand dollars.1360.4556 
1260 1360.7913Six bedroom house,1361.9968 
1262 1362.2330three bathrooms,1363.2483 
1264 1363.7562seventeen thousand year- you know, back then.1365.8410 
1266 1366.6825So1367.1742 
1268 1367.6611that was crazy. You- so they payed their house off real quick because she was at Kodak,1372.1105 
1270 1372.5832and he was in construction, so1374.4128 
1272 1374.9998it was basically a steal.1376.2006 
1273ROC_int_011376.5552Yeah.1377.0657
1274ROC_se0_ag3_f_011377.0941Yeah.1377.4534
1276 1377.8316Yeah, big old hou-1378.6163 
1278 1378.9756there's no way you're gonna buy a house that big now for [seventeen thousand.] (laughing)1382.6450 
1279ROC_int_011381.6884[<laugh> Right.]1382.7171
1280ROC_se0_ag3_f_011383.0905[No.]1383.4782
1281ROC_int_011383.2513[Unless] it [looks-]1384.1070
1282ROC_se0_ag3_f_011383.9793[Yeah.]1384.2819
1283ROC_int_011384.2464[/terrible/.] (laughing)1385.0123
1284ROC_se0_ag3_f_011384.4686[Yeah, yeah.]1385.2656
1285 1385.3862Terrible.1385.9204
1287 1386.0551You don't want it anyway.1387.1684 
1288ROC_int_011387.4304[Mm-hm.]1388.0036
1289ROC_se0_ag3_f_011387.5450[So],1387.8748
1290 1388.7206yeah.1389.0515
1292 1389.1331So, there-1389.8310 
1294 1389.9610there's different1390.7523 
1296 1391.0749from when,1391.7935 
1298 1391.9731you know,1392.4411 
1300 1392.7296I was eighteen,1393.7137 
1302 1394.2621you know.1394.6544 
1303ROC_int_011395.2406Yeah.1395.6803
1304ROC_se0_ag3_f_011395.6898So they had to struggle more.1397.2829
1305ROC_int_011397.5949Mm-hm.1398.1102
1307 1398.4364Right.1398.8241 
1309 1399.3071Um,1399.7042 
1311 1400.1108another question that I had was about sort of, uh,1403.0513 
1313 1403.8266things to do here. Like what are people into?1406.6213 
1314ROC_se0_ag3_f_011407.6714I'm into jazz, live music.1409.7509
1315ROC_int_011409.8786[Yeah.]1410.1528
1316ROC_se0_ag3_f_011409.9637[So] there's a lot of jazz here.1411.8366
1317 1411.9453This is a jazz town. If you like it then it's here.1414.6542
1319 1415.3160Um,1415.7935 
1321 1416.1717they have a lot of bands1417.6569 
1323 1418.1628around town, so1419.5621 
1325 1420.2618a lot of, uh, restaurants1422.2851 
1327 1422.3702where, uh- you know, I love Park Avenue.1424.6800 
1329 1425.0535And I love East Avenue, just going and sitting outside, eating and1428.3588 
1331 1428.8079watching the people walk by, so1430.8218 
1333 1431.4790I like that. You can eat here.1433.0115 
1335 1433.4228You can go to church here.1434.4817 
1337 1434.7654You know, (laughing)1435.3800 
1338ROC_int_011435.5372[Yeah.]1436.0761
1339ROC_se0_ag3_f_011435.6624[it's tons] of churches, so1437.3561
1340 1438.2145yeah. It's a lot to do here, um,1440.1670
1342 1441.2409musically.1441.9737 
1344 1442.1391And I- I think this is a music town.1444.0112 
1345ROC_int_011444.3516Yeah.1444.7062
1346ROC_se0_ag3_f_011445.2089[Yeah.]1445.3464
1347ROC_int_011445.3176[For] sure.1445.9133
1348 1446.4995I would agree with that [especially] thinking about like the jazz [fest and-]1450.1211
1349ROC_se0_ag3_f_011447.6979[Yeah.]1447.8633
1351 1449.6933[Oh yeah], that's huge.1450.8255 
1352 1451.1309[That's huge.] That just brings millions of people.1453.6293
1353ROC_int_011451.2491[Mm-hm.]1451.7360
1354ROC_se0_ag3_f_011454.3708I love it. I didn't-1455.1881
1356 1455.3240I didn't go this year. I don't know what I was doing, but1457.6895 
1358 1458.4317I- I rolled by1459.4765 
1360 1459.5521but I n- I didn't go to any of the1461.3730 
1362 1461.6411concerts.1462.3738 
1363ROC_int_011462.4873Yeah.1462.9553
1364ROC_se0_ag3_f_011463.1633Yeah.1463.4762
1365ROC_int_011463.5132Yeah I went to see Erykah [Badu.]1466.0385
1366ROC_se0_ag3_f_011465.8210[Oh yeah.]1466.4829
1367ROC_int_011466.6010[Yeah.]1467.0955
1368ROC_se0_ag3_f_011466.7890[That was] good?1467.3870
1369ROC_int_011467.8602Yeah. It wa-1468.7182
1371 1469.1508it was1469.7299 
1373 1470.0892a different kind of entertainer though,1472.2201 
1375 1472.2935[for that]1472.7170 
1376ROC_se0_ag3_f_011472.3192[Yeah.]1472.5437
1377ROC_int_011472.8257crowd. [Some people were] feeling like1474.6525
1378ROC_se0_ag3_f_011473.4190[Oh, okay.]1473.9576
1379ROC_int_011475.2245a- people who don't know her stuff were feeling like, uh, she's not really jazzy.1478.6386
1380ROC_se0_ag3_f_011478.9695Right, sh-1479.3855
1382 1479.5746yeah.1480.0190 
1384 1480.4492Yeah, right1481.0732 
1385ROC_int_011481.3002Yeah.1481.6547
1386ROC_se0_ag3_f_011481.7824<laugh>1482.2646
1387ROC_int_011482.2736So I'm like, okay I can1483.7253
1388ROC_se0_ag3_f_011483.9598Yeah.1484.3368
1389ROC_int_011484.3486see [/where-/]1484.9021
1390ROC_se0_ag3_f_011484.5708[I like] her though. [I saw] her years ago in Cincinnati.1487.6717
1391ROC_int_011485.3702[Yeah.]1485.7460
1392 1487.9270Oh, [okay.]1488.6633
1393ROC_se0_ag3_f_011488.2567[Yeah.]1488.7318
1394 1489.0899Uh, [Cincinnati]1490.1300
1395ROC_int_011489.2601[Cool.]1489.6430
1396ROC_se0_ag3_f_011490.4609like jazz festival.1491.6097
1398 1492.0162Me and /RD-NAME-2/ got off one Friday.1493.6898 
1400 1493.7997She called me. Let's go to a jazz festival.1495.6619 
1402 1496.1973So I was like, I gotta get my stuff together. She was playing on Saturday.1499.0732 
1404 1499.3711So we got off work,1500.2362 
1406 1500.3969got our clothes together, hit the road, went to Cincinnati to see her.1503.4017 
1408 1504.0777It was good though.1504.9389 
1410 1505.0768She was good.1505.6906 
1411ROC_int_011505.8513Yeah.1506.2626
1413 1506.4848I think she puts on a good show [for sure.]1508.7682 
1414ROC_se0_ag3_f_011508.1820[Yeah.]1508.5176
1415 1509.2740Yeah.1509.6758
1416ROC_int_011510.1533Yeah. I was also thinking about what other kind of artists1513.5059
1418 1514.0023they could bring down the road.1515.6097 
1419ROC_se0_ag3_f_011515.7751Oh [yeah.]1516.2904
1420ROC_int_011516.1817[Um],1516.6072
1421 1516.9484<ts>1517.0949
1423 1517.5960I think, uh,1518.2721 
1425 1519.3783Lalah Hathaway1520.4676 
1426ROC_se0_ag3_f_011520.5007Oh, [she's good.]1521.3544
1427ROC_int_011520.8352[/would be a good-/]1521.6329
1428ROC_se0_ag3_f_011521.6948Yeah, she's good.1522.7173
1430 1523.4217Yup.1523.8046 
1431ROC_int_011523.9693yeah, /the/ [artist to bring.]1525.5128
1432ROC_se0_ag3_f_011524.4464[Wow.]1524.8329
1433 1525.7646Yeah the- so n-1526.5351
1435 1526.8992mostly jazz is- they have some singers, but mainly it's music,1530.9283 
1436ROC_int_011531.0513[Mm-hm.]1531.5382
1437ROC_se0_ag3_f_011531.3916[you] know, without the singing or whatever.1533.4055
1438 1534.1108So1534.6828
1440 1534.8388I love it though.1535.6661 
1441ROC_int_011535.9923[Yeah.]1536.4491
1442ROC_se0_ag3_f_011536.4278[Mm.]1536.6021
1443ROC_int_011536.7879But I feel like, like you said, concerts are kind of the-1539.9126
1445 1540.0262and festivals-1541.1872 
1446ROC_se0_ag3_f_011541.1961Yeah, here.1541.8254
1447ROC_int_011541.9511yeah,1542.4192
1448ROC_se0_ag3_f_011542.5440[Mm-hm.]1543.0262
1449ROC_int_011542.9884[are] the-1543.3808
1450ROC_se0_ag3_f_011543.3874They're all over, just1544.5430
1452 1545.2214un- d- last weekend I was in Webster, they1547.4028 
1454 1547.6249shut down Main Street1549.2701 
1456 1549.3836and just had a stage1550.4142 
1458 1550.7120and all day they had bands.1552.3808 
1459ROC_int_011552.5793Wow.1552.9765
1460ROC_se0_ag3_f_011552.9905All day.1553.5763
1462 1553.9498So up until like eleven or twelve o'clock at night.1556.4600 
1464 1557.4048[So] it was really nice1558.8124 
1465ROC_int_011557.4662[/Wow/.]1557.7239
1466 1558.8817You said in Webster or [on-]1560.5941
1467ROC_se0_ag3_f_011560.3920[It was] in-1560.8379
1468 1560.9006o-1561.0231
1470 1561.1153Webster on Main Street1562.4106 
1472 1562.5312in Webster.1563.1706 
1473ROC_int_011563.6102Yeah. [Cause I-] I feel like1565.1400
1474ROC_se0_ag3_f_011564.1407[Yeah.]1564.4102
1475ROC_int_011565.4425I don't know, most of the stuff I know that's like music related happens1569.0079
1476ROC_se0_ag3_f_011569.3293Yeah, this was [Webster.]1570.4528
1477ROC_int_011569.9451[downtown] or, you know.1571.4010
1478 1571.4713But [okay. Cool.]1572.3794
1479ROC_se0_ag3_f_011571.7988[/Mm/ yup.]1572.2955
1480 1572.9061That was nice, so.1574.0643
1482 1574.5702I went fourth of July on Chili Avenue, they had a stage,1578.3483 
1484 1578.7359and that was all music all day long.1580.7734 
1486 1581.1611They had little things for the kids like bounce houses, and stuff, but1584.5793 
1488 1585.3363yeah, that was nice.1586.2062 
1490 1586.3149And then they had the fireworks right after that.1588.3051 
1491ROC_int_011588.5746Mm-hm.1589.1419
1492ROC_se0_ag3_f_011589.1900So that1589.9693
1494 1590.0674and1590.4645 
1496 1590.5460then you have your sports teams like,1592.4378 
1498 1592.8160you know, the Red Wings,1593.9080 
1500 1594.2673you got the Lancers,1595.7636 
1502 1595.8546and, uh, RazorSharks.1597.5869 
1504 1598.1102So we got our te- Amerks,1600.0588 
1506 1600.3755the- [hockey.]1601.1083 
1507ROC_int_011600.6627[Yup.]1600.8991
1508 1601.3647Mm-hm.1601.7784
1509ROC_se0_ag3_f_011601.9072So1602.3090
1511 1602.3989it's a sports town too. And then you got the Buffalo Bills that are here now1606.1019 
1513 1606.4580in their training camp.1607.3539 
1515 1607.9046So you go out to Fisher now, you can't-1610.2262 
1517 1610.3137you can't get down the road1611.5251 
1519 1612.2673cause everybody's at the training camp, so.1614.4286 
1521 1615.0751[It's good.]1615.4320 
1522ROC_int_011615.1271[Yeah.]1615.5077
1523 1616.0301Yeah. So1616.9945
1525 1617.0772it sounds like then you would say like there's a1619.5593 
1527 1620.0652pretty healthy, like, uh,1622.2359 
1529 1622.7276s-1622.8883 
1531 1623.2334there's a healthy, what is it, entertainment,1626.2281 
1532ROC_se0_ag3_f_011626.2375[Definitely.]1626.8373
1533ROC_int_011626.4597[kind of scene, or-]1627.4023
1534ROC_se0_ag3_f_011627.1494[There's always] something to do, and it's something for everybody. So if you say, I don't have anything to do, well,1632.7440
1535 1633.2498you know, (laughing)1633.8502
1537 1634.2520you just gotta get out and get in,1635.7317 
1539 1635.9500you know- get in the mix, so.1637.6614 
1540ROC_int_011637.9214[Mm-hm.]1638.5218
1541ROC_se0_ag3_f_011638.1956[And that's] me. I stay.1639.5051
1542 1639.6753I stay in it.1640.3986
1543ROC_int_011640.8808[Yeah.]1641.2960
1544ROC_se0_ag3_f_011640.9840[I love] the festivals.1642.4803
1545ROC_int_011642.8360Right, cause we're not like a New York City, [but]1645.1801
1546ROC_se0_ag3_f_011645.0926[No.]1645.3006
1547 1645.5819[No.]1645.8183
1548ROC_int_011645.6875[still] think there1646.6046
1549 1646.7831[are- seem] to be things.1648.0572
1550ROC_se0_ag3_f_011646.8611[Yeah.]1647.1566
1551 1648.2687Yeah, [it's a lot] to do.1649.4770
1552ROC_int_011648.5914[Yeah.]1648.9804
1553ROC_se0_ag3_f_011649.6094It is.1650.2287
1555 1650.5433It's a [lot.]1651.1010 
1556ROC_int_011650.8308[Yeah.]1651.1577
1557 1651.8753[Okay.]1652.3363
1558ROC_se0_ag3_f_011652.0396[Yeah.]1652.2701
1559ROC_int_011652.8143Um,1653.3249
1561 1653.5613<ts>1653.6747 
1563 1654.2846so I have a few last questions, and they're more like, uh, I guess you could say, language related.1659.9820 
1564ROC_se0_ag3_f_011660.1947[Okay.]1660.5785
1565ROC_int_011660.3728[Um],1660.7912
1566 1661.2718and I always ask people whether or not,1663.5237
1568 1663.6750um,1664.2518 
1570 1665.2682Rochesterians1666.5540 
1572 1666.7242sound- or certain Rochesterians1668.8374 
1574 1668.9367sound a certain way or speak a certain way1671.7173 
1576 1672.0907or, for example, when you go out of town, do people tell you, you know,1675.2968 
1578 1675.9965oh you sound x way, or you sound like you're [from here.]1678.8897 
1579ROC_se0_ag3_f_011678.1995[The- s-]1678.5209
1581 1678.7573[They] say I sound like I'm from New York. Where-1681.0179 
1582 1681.4150I don't hear the accent here, cause it- you know, this is me born and raised, but1685.1024
1584 1685.4673when I go other places to South,1687.5710 
1586 1688.0201I definitely hear it. I'm like, woah.1689.9158 
1588 1690.2137You know, it's definitely a difference, but1692.1885 
1590 1692.5262I don't-1692.9281 
1592 1693.1077I don't hear it here with1694.4598 
1594 1694.8852the people I live around,1696.1522 
1595ROC_int_011696.4737Yeah.1696.8944
1596ROC_se0_ag3_f_011696.9511so.1697.4806
1597ROC_int_011697.8597But with people who like, uh, maybe you don't know, do you feel like, oh those people1703.1970
1599 1703.7840s- uh, say certain words or things like that [funny] [or interestingly?]1707.8922 
1600ROC_se0_ag3_f_011706.7162[Yeah.]1707.0637
1602 1707.1961[It-]1707.4088 
1603 1708.1900Y- I know, um,1709.3766
1605 1709.5704one girl that I work with is from Puerto Rico, and it ju- and she's been here like twenty years, but1714.2137 
1607 1714.7431some things, I'll say, what?1716.3891 
1609 1716.7106[You know, (laughing) cause I] don't understand.1718.6016 
1610ROC_int_011716.9978[Mm-hm.]1717.5958
1611ROC_se0_ag3_f_011719.0129And, you know, I don't know if she slips back into her other language or what, but1722.9848
1613 1723.3819some things I just don't understand what she says,1725.6842 
1615 1725.8638so.1726.3413 
1616ROC_int_011726.5493Yeah.1727.0882
1618 1727.2915And, uh, with your,1728.7957 
1620 1729.4339uh, parents being from the South, do you feel like you've picked up on any of the [thing-]1733.5496 
1621ROC_se0_ag3_f_011733.3416[I hope] not.1734.0602
1622ROC_int_011734.1547[<laugh>]1735.1900
1623ROC_se0_ag3_f_011735.0246[I] hope not, no.1736.3955
1624 1736.6044Uh, no I try not to but-1738.4954
1626 1738.7932cause1739.0721 
1628 1739.2423they still have that slang.1740.9347 
1630 1741.1522They still say words like, really?1743.7248 
1632 1744.1786You know, it's just really slang and,1745.6347 
1634 1745.9278you know,1746.3438 
1636 1746.5471ice box for frigerator. I'm like, dad it's a frigerator. It's not /out-/1750.0037 
1638 1750.2401Th- he'll say, close that box.1751.7765 
1640 1752.4904You know, and1753.3224 
1642 1753.6060my kids know, cause a- they grown u- I know but i-1756.3677 
1644 1756.6655it's not a box.1757.5449 
1646 1757.9041<laugh> It's1758.8213 
1648 1759.0104not.1759.1664 
1649ROC_int_011759.3299[Right.]1759.6419
1650ROC_se0_ag3_f_011759.4642[It's a refrigerator.]1760.6130
1651ROC_int_011760.4598[Mm-hm.]1760.9372
1652ROC_se0_ag3_f_011760.8521[So] yeah, they still have that1762.8235
1653 1763.1733Southern accent.1764.1885
1654ROC_int_011764.6491[Yeah.]1765.0419
1655ROC_se0_ag3_f_011764.9450[Yeah.]1765.2747
1656ROC_int_011765.6157Okay. Cool.1766.6554
1657ROC_se0_ag3_f_011766.7074Mm-hm.1767.0277
1658ROC_int_011767.1086Um,1767.7657
1660 1767.9076<ts>1768.0068 
1662 1768.2011that is all the question- that- well, those are all the questions I have, but if you have any questions,1773.6830 
1664 1774.2278um,1774.7100 
1666 1774.9653yeah.1775.3199 
1667ROC_se0_ag3_f_011775.5602Um,1775.9668
1668ROC_int_011775.5839[<laugh>]1775.8722
1669ROC_se0_ag3_f_011776.0968okay, so1777.1274
1671 1777.9835how many people have you interviewed here?1779.9974 
1672ROC_int_011780.6770So far, um, I'm almost at twenty.1783.9587
1673ROC_se0_ag3_f_011784.1572Oh wow.1784.6110
1674ROC_int_011784.7529Yeah,1785.1934
1675ROC_se0_ag3_f_011785.7476[Okay.]1786.1944
1676ROC_int_011785.8020[just about.]1786.5052
1677ROC_se0_ag3_f_011787.4343And have the questions been1789.4261
1679 1789.5348different like-1790.4662 
1681 1791.5109very different?1792.2601 
1682ROC_int_011792.2660Y- uh,1793.1725
1684 1793.4236I have some of the same questions, overarching ones that I ask [just about] their experiences here, but1799.2345 
1685ROC_se0_ag3_f_011797.3435[Mm-hm.]1797.5704
1686ROC_int_011799.5040depending on what someone tells me about stories or what not, I'll ask more [details]1804.7476
1687ROC_se0_ag3_f_011804.6719[Okay.]1805.0738
1688ROC_int_011805.2392about1805.8585
1690 1806.4306that particular thing.1807.7606 
1692 1807.9190[Um],1808.3697 
1693ROC_se0_ag3_f_011808.0797[Mm.]1808.2570
1694ROC_int_011808.5588so1809.0079
1696 1809.4022the interviews don't always like l- yeah, they don't all look the same, which is the fun part [for me.]1814.2002 
1697ROC_se0_ag3_f_011813.8469[Oh good.]1814.4153
1698 1814.5832[Oh good.]1815.0524
1699ROC_int_011814.6754[Yeah.]1815.0760
1700ROC_se0_ag3_f_011815.5724So it- just based on1817.1293
1702 1817.2428where they grew up1818.3892 
1703ROC_int_011819.0798[Mm-hm.]1819.5124
1704ROC_se0_ag3_f_011819.3966[and] who they grew up with,1820.6186
1705 1820.7108then it's gonna be different.1821.8196
1706ROC_int_011822.0702Yeah.1822.4105
1708 1822.7226Exactly.1823.4553 
1709ROC_se0_ag3_f_011823.6208Oh okay, so is it helping your paper?1825.9853
1710ROC_int_011826.4534Yeah, for sure. It's helping me to get a1828.9164
1712 1830.1124kind of, uh, uh,1831.3661 
1714 1831.5268different perspectives,1832.5515 
1716 1832.6366right, on the same place. It's nice to hear, you know, people's opinions of,1837.1350 
1718 1837.6124you know, what they enjoy, what they don't enjoy, you know, what Rochester used to look like, you know,1843.0546 
1719ROC_se0_ag3_f_011843.4186[Mm-hm.]1843.6975
1720ROC_int_011843.4895[and see] what people agree upon, and where they don't agree upon [things.]1847.3480
1721ROC_se0_ag3_f_011846.7807[Mm-hm.]1847.1778
1722 1847.6316[Mm-hm.]1847.9815
1723ROC_int_011847.7120[It's just]1848.3360
1724 1849.0404from a- I guess you could say, from like an anthropology sense, it's nice to just look in and see what people think of,1855.3713
1726 1855.9536you know,1856.3602 
1728 1857.0599the city, yeah.1857.8919 
1729ROC_se0_ag3_f_011858.0290Okay.1858.5916
1731 1859.0927And w-1859.4520 
1733 1860.3786you answering the questions, cause you were born and raised [here too.]1863.6366 
1734ROC_int_011863.3199[Mm-hm.]1863.9297
1735ROC_se0_ag3_f_011864.3067[But you've been] gone a long time, so [is it different] for you now?1867.3786
1736ROC_int_011864.3469[Yeah.]1864.6779
1738 1865.9344[Exactly.]1866.4710 
1739 1867.7320Yeah, I feel like some of the things that,1869.9831
1741 1870.5977uh,1871.0125 
1743 1871.1000there's ju- there are just some things I don't know because of my age, [right. So] like,1874.7248 
1744ROC_se0_ag3_f_011873.9826[Mm-hm.]1874.2851
1745ROC_int_011875.2448you know, I-1875.8870
1747 1875.9981I like to talk to, uh, especially older folks about what Rochester used to look like because I have no1881.6293 
1749 1881.7168[kind of intuitions] about that.1883.5101 
1750ROC_se0_ag3_f_011881.8822[Mm-hm.]1882.2297
1751ROC_int_011883.9308But also too, like,1885.4956
1753 1886.2851I didn't really realize a lot of the things about Rochester that people have brought up to me until I was older1893.1247 
1755 1893.3185in my life. So1894.3160 
1757 1894.5571some people will say, oh well it's kind of segregated, and1897.2762 
1759 1897.6308I never thought of it as such, and I'm like, uh,1899.7629 
1761 1900.1553okay, if you're thinking about maybe suburbs versus city,1903.7856 
1762ROC_se0_ag3_f_011903.9393[Mm-hm.]1904.2725
1763ROC_int_011904.0480[then okay.]1904.6720
1764 1904.7878[Yeah that makes] sense. [So for me] it's also kind of like an uncovering process of like,1909.4200
1765ROC_se0_ag3_f_011904.8469[Mm-hm.]1905.2204
1767 1905.7570[Mm-hm.]1906.1541 
1768ROC_int_011909.8644oh yeah, these things do exist, but I just never really1913.6425
1770 1914.1530paid attention, (laughing)1915.3148 
1772 1915.4543[um, when I] was here. [Yeah.]1916.9006 
1773ROC_se0_ag3_f_011915.6005[Right.]1915.9315
1775 1916.7470[Right.]1917.0732 
1776 1917.6038Do you remember, when you were younger, like going downtown to midtown1921.9870
1778 1922.3936and seeing the monorail and1924.4406 
1780 1924.7242then you see all that's gone.1926.1885 
1781ROC_int_011926.4951[Yeah.]1926.8969
1782ROC_se0_ag3_f_011926.6511[You know], the monorail's gone.1928.1450
1783 1928.4739Santa with l-1929.4478
1785 1929.6511the big old mountain or whatever.1931.3483 
1787 1931.6414So you took the kids there1932.6023 
1789 1932.7157every1933.2594 
1791 1933.3421year.1933.9415 
1793 1934.0112So now you can go to the mall basically, but that's different.1936.7053 
1794ROC_int_011937.0126[Mm-hm.]1937.4539
1795ROC_se0_ag3_f_011937.1678[You] don't have those things you had1939.1617
1796 1939.5209even when you were smaller.1940.8730
1798 1941.3749So I- I can't take my grandkids to that cause it's- it's just all [gone.]1945.3315 
1799ROC_int_011945.2759[Mm-hm.]1945.7380
1800ROC_se0_ag3_f_011946.1121[So.]1946.4781
1801ROC_int_011946.3386[And] that was what, the first indoor mall I think [in the United] [States.]1950.2410
1802ROC_se0_ag3_f_011949.0189[Mm-hm.]1949.3286
1804 1949.9550[Mm-hm.]1950.3403 
1805 1950.6972Mm-hm.1951.1250
1807 1951.4548And they d- I don't know.1952.7746 
1809 1953.1197I don't know what they're putting there. [I-]1954.5568 
1810ROC_int_011954.3535[I was] gonna say, what are they [replacing-] (laughing)1956.0082
1811ROC_se0_ag3_f_011955.3794[I thought Paychecks] was going there or something. I'm not sure if they decided on that1960.0058
1812 1960.0739but,1960.3649
1814 1960.9133you know, I1961.7454 
1816 1961.9053n- know, even as a kid it was there when I was there.1964.2990 
1818 1964.6252I loved it.1965.3343 
1820 1965.9158Loved it. The balloons. They had like, uh, clear balloon. It had this little red thing on the inside.1970.8427 
1822 1971.1878Every year I went for that. Kazoos. They had the l- noise makers.1974.3249 
1823ROC_int_011974.5849[Mm-hm.]1975.1238
1824ROC_se0_ag3_f_011974.9395[So], you know, I just,1976.1111
1825 1976.2246um,1976.6981
1827 1977.1677it's a shame I can't- my kids- my grandkids can't have that same experience.1981.3413 
1829 1981.7479Cause I took my kids every year.1983.1885 
1831 1983.5924I know they remember that.1985.0059 
1833 1985.4787So1985.9337 
1835 1986.0235n- now, /RD-NAME-3/ and them growing up, I'm like, I gotta make some kind of memories for them1990.6817 
1837 1991.0457cause that's gone.1991.8825 
1839 1992.2709So yeah, we go see Santa at the mall, but it's just,1994.8657 
1841 1994.9366you stand in a line,1996.1900 
1842ROC_int_011996.3082[Yeah.]1996.7139
1843ROC_se0_ag3_f_011996.6524[and] then what?1997.0992
1844 1997.5796You pay for those high pictures and then (laughing)1999.7637
1846 2000.1947that's it.2000.6864 
1847ROC_int_012000.8519Yeah.2001.3152
1849 2001.5184I [was gonna say], what kind of specific Rochesterian like memories do the younger kids have?2006.9606 
1850ROC_se0_ag3_f_012001.6496[That's-]2002.0775
1851 2007.0134Yeah.2007.2927
1853 2007.3683They're not gonna have that same-2008.9970 
1855 2009.8633those same memories,2011.0331 
1857 2011.1159you know, they gonna [have Santa] or whatever, but- the easter bunny, but2014.5510 
1858ROC_int_012011.5733[Mm-hm.]2011.9763
1859ROC_se0_ag3_f_012015.0907they know2015.7904
1861 2016.0126that it's somebody in that costume, [so]2017.9887 
1862ROC_int_012017.7854[Mm-hm.]2018.3149
1863ROC_se0_ag3_f_012018.3716it's nothing else for them.2019.8553
1865 2019.9498Then they got these little statues standing there, but2022.2899 
1867 2022.6622it's not that much. It's not huge like riding a monorail.2025.5232 
1868ROC_int_012025.8919[Right.]2026.2713
1869ROC_se0_ag3_f_012026.2358You know, it's not like that, (laughing)2027.5524
1870ROC_int_012027.8113Yeah.2028.2647
1872 2028.3427[That was tradition.] [I definitely] [remember- I could] be- remember like being so excited2033.1390 
1873ROC_se0_ag3_f_012028.4018[so.]2028.7327
1875 2029.4299[Mm-hm.]2029.9074 
1877 2030.0256[<laugh>]2031.0183 
1878 2033.1643[Yeah.]2033.6039
1879ROC_int_012033.4794[to] go downtown [to like]2035.1049
1880ROC_se0_ag3_f_012034.5069[Right.]2034.9087
1881ROC_int_012035.2018that's when you knew it was [Christmas.]2036.6994
1882ROC_se0_ag3_f_012036.6380[Right.]2036.9240
1883 2037.0950And I got 'em dressed. They had to wear something red2039.7531
1885 2039.8347cause they had to take the picture with Santa.2041.3876 
1887 2041.7114And then we had to walk up this mountain to get to him. You know, he was up at the top or whatever.2046.1602 
1889 2046.7992So, um, yeah I still dress 'em.2048.8462 
1890ROC_int_012049.0253[Mm-hm.]2049.6098
1891ROC_se0_ag3_f_012049.0477[They'll still wear] red [or whatever], but we're going to see Santa at the mall.2052.3398
1892ROC_int_012049.9581[Right.]2050.3386
1893 2052.3766[Mm-hm.]2052.8777
1894ROC_se0_ag3_f_012052.7430[So] they're not really into it.2054.0761
1895 2054.6718So- even at six,2055.8885
1897 2056.5808whereas at six when I was younger, I couldn't wait to get there.2059.6584 
1898ROC_int_012059.7293Right.2060.0082
1899ROC_se0_ag3_f_012060.9159So that- that's a big difference.2062.5950
1900ROC_int_012062.8928Same.2063.3738
1902 2063.4873And I- I also have been thinking about like,2066.0366 
1904 2067.5427yeah, what places are there2069.6842 
1906 2070.5143around here that2071.8380 
1908 2073.0120are really historical and that kids can2075.4998 
1910 2077.1411[remember?]2077.7987 
1911ROC_se0_ag3_f_012077.5382[It's nothing.]2078.2880
1912ROC_int_012078.3967Yeah.2078.7489
1913ROC_se0_ag3_f_012078.7844<laugh>2079.1011
1915 2079.3872They have the Strong Museum [though, so that] changes-2082.0385 
1916ROC_int_012080.7243[Okay.]2081.3294
1917ROC_se0_ag3_f_012082.5349that changes, um,2083.9295
1919 2084.7765but there's a lot of things in there that's the same, but,2086.9559 
1921 2087.2632you know, they try to change it up a little bit,2089.1498 
1923 2089.2490[but],2089.5504 
1924ROC_int_012089.2786[Mm-hm.]2089.7939
1925ROC_se0_ag3_f_012090.3986I don't know.2090.9706
1927 2091.3678You know, Christmas time, it still isn't,2093.0744 
1929 2093.5613you know, as big as it used to be.2095.2924 
1930ROC_int_012095.8124Right.2096.1055
1931ROC_se0_ag3_f_012096.2142You know, so.2097.0321
1933 2097.5096We still do like2098.6686 
1935 2098.8104the Easter egg hunts at the house so I still, you know, take 'em to church, do the Easter- cause that's what I did. That's what my kids did,2105.0352 
1937 2105.5938and so2106.3691 
1939 2106.7710I'm tryna2107.3285 
1941 2107.4517help them make,2108.2554 
1943 2108.5816you know, s-2109.0031 
1945 2109.0764those kinds of memories.2110.3922 
1947 2111.1075So it's important but2112.5352 
1948ROC_int_012113.2262[Yeah.]2113.6044
1949ROC_se0_ag3_f_012113.3302[gotta] find it,2114.3135
1950 2114.6823you know. (laughing)2115.3819
1952 2115.8027[You gotta find] it, so.2117.1926 
1953ROC_int_012115.8641[Right.]2116.2234
1954 2117.2263Right.2117.7173
1956 2117.8116Cause I feel like we have a, uh, lot of other rich history here [regarding] like, you know, [Frederick Douglass.]2123.8258 
1957ROC_se0_ag3_f_012121.5046[Mm-hm.]2121.8828
1959 2123.5279[Susan] B. Anthony House. I've never been in there.2126.0960 
1960ROC_int_012126.1030Oh my god, /??/ [been.]2127.5451
1961ROC_se0_ag3_f_012127.2607[And it's] right up the street.2128.3244
1962ROC_int_012128.5560[Right.]2128.8869
1963ROC_se0_ag3_f_012128.8034[What?] (laughing)2129.8742
1964ROC_int_012129.1840[<laugh>]2129.8246
1965 2130.0420<laugh>2130.2524
1966ROC_se0_ag3_f_012130.2761I've never. I'm like I-2131.8844
1968 2131.9671I gotta do- they do tours all the time.2133.8942 
1970 2134.6411But, you know, maybe that- maybe that is something to do, something that I've never done, so2138.9392 
1972 2139.8422yeah.2140.2204 
1973ROC_int_012140.5466George Eastman [House.]2141.6962
1974ROC_se0_ag3_f_012141.6473[Yeah.]2141.9097
1975ROC_int_012141.9125That- okay. I've [done] [that several] [times].2144.3470
1976ROC_se0_ag3_f_012142.8079[that-]2142.9323
1978 2143.1593[me too.]2143.6155 
1980 2143.9728[Mm-hm.]2144.3959 
1981ROC_int_012144.5330Okay.2144.9916
1982ROC_se0_ag3_f_012145.3554Yep.2145.6950
1984 2146.9986That was nice.2147.8306 
1985ROC_int_012147.9866[Yeah.]2148.3357
1986ROC_se0_ag3_f_012148.1624[It's] a nice house,2149.1937
1987 2149.4786lot of history there, but2150.7408
1989 2151.2608mainly, you have to take 'em outside of Rochester to2154.3582 
1991 2154.6891see that,2155.2847 
1993 2156.1121you know, so.2156.9677 
1995 2157.2466I-2157.4255 
1997 2157.5272I took /RD-NAME-3/ to this farm where2159.5836 
1999 2160.1171the whole farm is like,2161.7805 
2001 2161.8952um,2162.3532 
2003 2163.3979I don't-2163.6329 
2005 2163.7984I don't know plantations, but2165.6663 
2007 2166.0906it was those type of houses. They were shacks,2168.0817 
2008ROC_int_012168.4268[Yeah.]2168.6677
2009ROC_se0_ag3_f_012168.6360[and], um,2169.5461
2010 2169.9099you went inside and somebody was2171.4510
2012 2171.8178making clothes and2173.1510 
2014 2173.4819somebody was, um,2174.4652 
2016 2174.6449making bread from scratch.2176.3949 
2018 2176.7069So they got see all those thing- every house,2178.9343 
2020 2179.0513they were doing something different.2180.2525 
2021ROC_int_012180.4794Mm-hm.2181.0576
2022ROC_se0_ag3_f_012181.1048So one guy was doing glass2182.9683
2024 2183.7058from2184.0710 
2026 2184.1821things that they did2185.1985 
2028 2185.3072years ago when2186.4666 
2030 2186.7314they didn't have the stores an-2188.1354 
2032 2188.4191so they would let them2189.6632 
2034 2189.9611help them cut out a pattern for a shirt or whatever.2192.5517 
2036 2192.9677Then you went to the next house. She, uh,2194.2441 
2038 2194.3860let them2194.8974 
2040 2195.1905help her2195.8712 
2042 2196.0414knead the bread and,2197.1146 
2044 2197.4029you know,2197.8473 
2046 2198.4052so2198.9394 
2048 2199.0575that- that was nice for them.2200.5089 
2049ROC_int_012200.5371Mm-hm.2201.0630
2050ROC_se0_ag3_f_012201.2033Yeah.2201.5389
2051ROC_int_012201.7138That sounds familiar.2202.8721
2052ROC_se0_ag3_f_012203.5434Yeah, I can't remember what2204.6543
2054 2204.8056the name of that farm was. But it was freezing when we went to it. It was so cold.2208.7302 
2055ROC_int_012209.6521Yeah.2210.1438
2057 2210.4321And I guess too there are things like pumpkin patches and-2213.9880 
2058ROC_se0_ag3_f_012214.0306Yeah.2214.4324
2059ROC_int_012215.1211[yeah, /plus/] those are still kind of more so outside of2218.1356
2060ROC_se0_ag3_f_012215.1317[/unintelligible/]2215.6561
2061 2218.5245Yeah.2218.8459
2062ROC_int_012219.0114they [city.]2219.6165
2063ROC_se0_ag3_f_012219.2950[Yeah], it's nothing in the city. There's-2220.7850
2064 2221.1679you know, the public market is huge. You know the- it's been there forever.2224.5528
2066 2225.0728Forever. Now the west side has one on Genesee Street at Saint Monica's every [Tuesday.]2229.8153 
2067ROC_int_012229.3473[Yup.]2229.6215
2068 2230.0848[Mm-hm.]2230.6096
2069ROC_se0_ag3_f_012230.3874[So]2231.0114
2070 2231.4605you know, that- that's nice. They- they try to ge- and it- and all the stuff is2235.4702
2072 2236.4110from2236.9964 
2074 2237.1194people in the nineteenth ward.2238.4040 
2075ROC_int_012239.1793I [didn't know that.]2240.0492
2076ROC_se0_ag3_f_012239.3968[Everything is grown] from people in the nineteenth ward, [so],2242.3996
2077ROC_int_012241.7850[Wow.]2242.2956
2078ROC_se0_ag3_f_012242.9196you know, and then they take it out there and they sell it2245.3952
2080 2245.4709at their little vendors, so2246.8103 
2082 2247.3979that's nice.2247.9416 
2084 2248.3151Yeah, I was speaking with this lady, uh, /RD-NAME-3/ and I was walking,2251.6913 
2086 2252.0080and she was telling me, have you been there? I said, no.2254.0976 
2088 2254.5845And she was saying, well you gotta go2256.0509 
2090 2256.2967cause it's all nineteenth ward, [so.]2258.0364 
2091ROC_int_012257.7291[Mm-hm.]2258.2586
2092ROC_se0_ag3_f_012258.2917I still haven't been though, but2259.6485
2093ROC_int_012259.8463[Yeah.]2260.2717
2094ROC_se0_ag3_f_012259.9038[I forget.]2260.3285
2095 2260.7161<laugh>2261.2196
2096ROC_int_012261.4205[Yeah.]2261.8838
2097ROC_se0_ag3_f_012261.5033[Cause I go on] Saturdays, so I get what I need. I never- by Tuesday, I'm not out,2265.9369
2098 2266.0456[so.]2266.4900
2099ROC_int_012266.1590[Mm-hm.]2266.7405
2100 2266.8965Yeah, no, it was same. We-2268.7505
2102 2269.2327if I'm here in town we go to the ones on Saturday.2271.9321 
2103ROC_se0_ag3_f_012271.9700Yeah.2272.3103
2104ROC_int_012272.5231Yeah, and they just got the Food Tr- Truck Rodeo [there]2275.6771
2105ROC_se0_ag3_f_012275.3462[Oh yeah.]2275.9750
2106ROC_int_012276.1133[on Wednesdays.]2277.2478
2107ROC_se0_ag3_f_012276.1346[Yeah.]2276.5186
2109 2276.9630[Yeah.] [You've been] to that?2278.1212 
2110ROC_int_012277.4648[Yeah.]2277.7886
2111 2278.4659I've been [once],2279.5012
2112ROC_se0_ag3_f_012279.4161[Yeah.]2279.8983
2113ROC_int_012279.9362[but],2280.3427
2114ROC_se0_ag3_f_012280.0780[That's great.]2280.5791
2115ROC_int_012280.4987[yeah.]2281.0282
2116 2281.8035I hear they change the trucks s- and stuff [like-]2284.5616
2117ROC_se0_ag3_f_012284.4482[Oh] really?2285.0823
2118ROC_int_012285.0905yeah, [so.]2285.8038
2119ROC_se0_ag3_f_012285.5154[Oh wow.] I know they have a band out there and stuff, so you have to,2288.6931
2120 2289.1895you know, look and see who's playing at night, but-2291.4871
2122 2292.3096so.2292.6311 
2124 2292.8107I- I went years ago,2294.3777 
2126 2294.4806but I haven't been since then,2295.7993 
2128 2296.2234you know.2296.6584 
2130 2296.8947I l- one time, that was it.2298.1664 
2132 2298.4406It was kind of crowded then though. [It was a lot] of people2300.8714 
2133ROC_int_012299.9211[Mm-hm.]2300.2615
2134ROC_se0_ag3_f_012301.5049just sitting out in chairs and relaxing.2303.6700
2136 2304.3130So it's still some nice things to do2306.0961 
2137ROC_int_012306.2473[Yeah.]2306.7910
2138ROC_se0_ag3_f_012306.6161[to-] even during the week.2307.8500
2139 2308.4031On a Wednesday, you go to <laugh>2310.2596
2141 2310.4050you know, rodeo, okay.2311.9070 
2142ROC_int_012312.6700[<laugh>]2313.5793
2143ROC_se0_ag3_f_012312.8733[Yeah.]2313.2846
2144 2313.7140[Yeah.]2314.0591
2145ROC_int_012313.9268[Right.]2314.3113
2146ROC_se0_ag3_f_012314.4267/Mm-mm/.2314.6631
2148 2314.8711[So.]2315.2067 
2149ROC_int_012314.9704[Yeah.] So I kind of- yeah, I- I think2316.9918
2150 2317.4787I like the-2318.2540
2152 2319.2610there's still touches of a2320.7454 
2154 2320.8553small town or2322.3583 
2156 2322.6102[community]2323.6911 
2157ROC_se0_ag3_f_012322.7663[Yeah.]2323.0688
2159 2323.6521[y-]2323.7590 
2160 2324.1148it's [still around.]2324.9766
2161ROC_int_012324.2566[oriented.] Yeah.2325.5273
2162ROC_se0_ag3_f_012325.5628Th- that- that's good they didn't let a few bad ones just ruin everything,2329.9684
2164 2330.4979so.2331.0652 
2165ROC_int_012331.2637[Mm-hm.]2331.8689
2166ROC_se0_ag3_f_012331.4387[That's still] out there. I get out there. I'm not afraid cause I figure, if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, so.2336.2946
2167 2336.8288You can't just stay in the house be afraid to do2339.3155
2169 2339.7835things,2340.3508 
2171 2340.4973you know,2340.9709 
2172ROC_int_012341.5051[Yeah.]2341.8833
2173ROC_se0_ag3_f_012341.8077[so.]2342.3088
2174ROC_int_012342.4223Right. No, you're absolutely right.2344.3794
2176 2344.6725Yeah.2345.0507 
2178 2345.7173Okay, [um],2346.8885 
2179ROC_se0_ag3_f_012346.3240[Ye-]2346.5131
2180ROC_int_012348.0271yeah, so2349.1428
2182 2349.6211the only, uh- yeah, I always ask too if you consent to2352.8878 
2184 2353.3132me using this interview again at the end of the interview2355.9226 
2185ROC_se0_ag3_f_012356.1968[Oh yes.]2356.7878
2186ROC_int_012356.2394[just to- yeah], [okay.]2357.2274
2187ROC_se0_ag3_f_012357.1612[Yes.]2357.5489
2188ROC_int_012357.6252[Great.]2357.8597
2189ROC_se0_ag3_f_012357.7770[Yes.]2358.2203
2190ROC_int_012358.2722Okay, [awesome.]2359.0617
2191ROC_se0_ag3_f_012358.7922[Okay.]2359.2177
2192ROC_int_012359.5675[Thank you.]2360.0271
2193ROC_se0_ag3_f_012359.6136[Good.]2360.1618
2194 2360.2550You're welcome.2360.8918