Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	0.2461	And	0.7926
3		1.5918	I lived with my	2.7982
5		3.0767	grandmother	3.9222
7		4.5151	Was my mother's mother.	6.2667
9		7.3752	And	7.9733
11		9.5562	we lived in a house that was owned by our family.	12.6122
13		13.4784	My grandmother owned half of the house,	15.7366
15		16.2883	and	16.8348
17		17.3232	her sister owned the other half.	19.2618
19		19.7104	And it was what they call- now they call it a shotgun house	23.0964
21		23.6532	where all the rooms-	24.8854
23		25.2257	you could stand in one room and see all the way [out the back] door. <laugh>	28.9984
24	ROC_int_01	27.4582	[<laugh>]	27.9789
25		29.3677	[/?/]	29.6014
26	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	29.4160	[And they] had a long hallway.	31.1020
27		31.7361	And, um,	32.5301
29		32.9117	<ts>	33.0303
31		34.1645	I lived	35.0139
33		35.3851	with my grandmother, and	37.2876
35		37.6949	my mother had come	39.0664
37		39.7005	to Rochester.	40.7059
39		42.5400	At the time I was too young to understand why,	45.3963
41		46.0975	but, um,	47.0603
43		48.7669	my mo- my-	49.3959
45		49.6640	I owe my grandmother	51.1540
47		51.8861	so much because	53.4057
49		53.9677	I was an infant	55.1845
51		55.7104	when my mother left.	56.8292
53		57.5510	And	58.0924
55		58.9740	we had these old timey stoves.	61.0504
57		62.1022	I don't know if you've ever seen one. You ever been to Genesee Country Museum?	65.6635
58	ROC_int_01	66.3956	[No.]	66.8390
59	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	66.5503	[They got] those old black wrought iron stoves, and you use this thing to	70.8128
60		71.2974	put on the hole and that would take the top off,	73.7516
62		74.1899	and they make a fire underneath.	75.9480
63	ROC_int_01	76.0977	[Oh.]	76.5358
64	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	76.3999	[And my] grandmother had to do that	78.1585
65		78.6019	like the middle of the night	79.8032
67		80.8756	and boil potatoes and mash 'em	82.9483
69		83.0550	to feed me.	83.8904
71		84.6225	So I'm really dedicated	86.3291
73		86.9993	to her	87.5562
75		88.0305	for doing all she did for me.	89.7666
77		90.5091	And	90.9731
79		91.1226	my mother	91.9578
81		92.5095	kept in touch	93.5407
83		94.8090	with my grandmother,	96.0553
85		96.9834	but I didn't know that. I was	98.5476
87		98.6156	tiny baby.	99.4994
89		100.0460	And she'd send money.	101.3645
91		102.1636	And	102.6895
93		103.9011	I often-	104.5498
95		104.8331	as I got older I wondered, how did we survive? Cause	108.2306
97		108.6173	my grandmother used to just pick peaches,	111.0251
99		111.6696	and that was in season,	113.2923
101		113.9986	you know, and she didn't have any other job.	116.0352
103		116.6384	She picked peaches,	117.7882
105		118.4791	and	118.8337
107		119.0409	I had to stay home.	120.3028
109		121.1226	And sometimes, as I got,	122.8395
111		123.9119	you know, more comfortable	125.3129
113		125.7099	with her working,	126.8081
115		128.4013	she would let me go to the movie,	129.9532
117		130.8400	but	131.1232
119		131.5378	it used to be	132.4520
121		133.9159	I had chores.	135.0251
123		135.5562	I had to make the bed,	136.7832
125		138.1739	and I had to feed the biddies.	140.2466
127		140.7828	You know what biddies?	141.7521
128	ROC_int_01	142.1285	Mm-mm.	142.7155
129	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	142.7510	They're little baby [chickens.]	144.1746
130	ROC_int_01	144.1560	[Ah.]	144.4998
131	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	144.5091	They call 'em biddies.	145.6949
133		146.4734	And that	147.0612
135		147.4737	was my two jobs.	148.8245
137		149.4084	<ts>	149.4593
139		149.6480	So	150.1327
141		150.6998	when she would come home,	152.0971
143		152.9375	and she'd go in the-	154.2213
145		154.5976	and then she'd go here,	155.9316
147		156.6122	and then she'd t- come to me, and she said, go get the switch.	159.6644
149		160.9843	And I couldn't understand, how does she know	163.1226
151		163.4629	I didn't do my chores? (laughing)	164.9942
153		165.7263	I made the bed,	166.8400
155		167.2098	but I didn't make the bed.	168.8236
157		169.1484	I spread the cover over it,	171.0921
159		172.2213	and	172.6698
161		173.4109	I didn't feed the biddies at all.	175.3856
163		175.9630	And that's cause kids would	177.1901
165		177.7882	tease me and scare me,	179.3696
167		179.9677	so I would get out of the house as-	181.8178
169		181.9272	as soon as I could.	183.1592
171		184.4017	And I'd get a whipping.	185.3438
173		186.5142	One- finally I think she was tired of whipping	188.9993
175		189.9211	me. /So- was/ getting- (laughing)	191.8649
177		192.1995	she was getting tired of it.	193.4887
179		194.4528	So she t- s-	195.4840
181		195.7469	told me to come out	196.8179
183		197.6893	to the coop	198.4163
185		198.6328	and she showed me	199.8032
187		200.6126	she had	201.0870
189		201.9480	a pan on top of the coop, and she had a piece of glass on top of it.	205.9475
191		206.7828	If I had watered the biddies,	208.5461
193		208.8967	the glass	209.6996
195		210.0553	would have fell off the pan.	211.4010
197		212.5095	So she didn't whip me, she said, because I didn't feed the biddies.	216.3647
199		216.7050	She whipped cause I lied	218.5662
201		219.5407	and said I fed 'em.	220.5615
203		221.1440	<ts>	221.2383
205		222.3080	So as the years went by,	224.7106
207		224.8292	my mother came to town.	226.3862
209		227.4109	She used to send me	228.7821
211		229.2078	packages, you know, but	230.4070
213		230.5268	she came to town one time like at night,	233.0874
215		234.4059	And then she left just as quick as she came.	236.8240
217		237.7263	And that was my first time	239.5398
219		239.7821	knowing my mother, and I was a little girl. I still remember.	243.2056
221		244.4172	It's come to find out that, um,	246.7256
223		247.3177	<ts>	247.4375
225		248.5405	my dad	249.3176
227		249.4206	or my father- well I don't know what to call him now.	252.3028
229		253.1690	He	253.5815
231		253.9630	and my mother-	254.9478
233		256.7973	uh, he's my father,	258.4214
235		259.3907	and to this day, I don't know if it was consensual,	262.7214
237		263.3902	or if he took advantage of her.	265.5454
239		265.9372	And being the richest boy in town, you know, it's-	268.6389
241		268.8231	his dad owned the movie theaters. There were two.	271.7001
243		272.8034	He owned the movie theaters. He owned the hotel.	275.5088
245		276.0347	He owned a grocery store and	278.4889
247		278.9890	something else. I don't know. He had a lot of influence in the town.	282.4627
248	ROC_int_01	282.5452	Mm.	282.8287
249	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	284.3755	And	284.8550
251		285.8139	the story is that	287.4418
253		287.8388	my mom had to leave	289.2618
255		290.1538	town in a hurry once I was born.	292.5100
257		294.0502	And a friend of my m-	295.8908
259		296.4528	family lives on /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street,	298.2772
261		298.3876	Miss /RD-NAME-2/.	299.2000
263		300.5555	And I-	301.0401
265		301.7516	when my father died,	303.2180
267		303.4040	I w-	303.6945
269		303.7659	asked Miss /RD-NAME-2/	304.8760
271		306.1172	did- was my fa- did she know my father.	308.7364
273		309.7469	And she said, girl, yeah.	311.2717
275		311.6841	She said, everybody know your father.	313.7052
277		314.7673	I said, who was he?	316.0460
279		316.7162	And she said,	317.4315
281		318.8751	that was /RD-NAME-4/ boy,	320.6539
283		320.9993	you know, like that.	321.9996
285		322.3966	And I said,	323.1235
287		324.4420	okay,	325.1861
289		325.4735	cause	325.8032
291		326.3033	that wasn't my father's last name, /RD-NAME-3/.	328.8967
293		330.1894	And I said, is that	331.3466
295		331.4828	t-	331.6540
297		331.7298	is that true, /RD-NAME-2/? She said,	333.4582
299		333.8913	yeah. She said, everybody know. They was talking- you was the talk of the town.	337.4680
301		337.9114	/RD-NAME-3/ done got her a white baby.	340.1903
303		340.9018	And- uh, but she said, /RD-NAME-3/ had to leave town	344.1022
305		344.9787	after you was born.	346.1491
307		346.6337	She said, she left in a wagon. They /throw/ the tarp over,	349.8805
309		350.3188	and she left in the middle of the night.	352.0924
311		352.9108	And she couldn't come back cause they woulda killed her	355.3546
313		355.7155	for messing with that white boy.	357.2365
315		358.3708	So I said, well what if she wasn't messing with him? He was messing with her.	362.5456
317		362.9168	She said, didn't matter.	364.0305
318	ROC_int_01	364.2515	[Mm.]	364.6432
319	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	364.3192	[She had] to get out of town.	365.7357
320		367.1484	So those are the things that the family kept from me.	370.0614
322		371.1685	And	371.8182
324		372.0368	<ts>	372.0876
326		372.7617	so	373.2824
328		373.7001	I often wonder,	374.9323
330		375.4685	how did they	376.3759
332		377.0204	meet up here?	378.1739
334		378.8390	Cause I worked	379.5454
336		379.8135	at the library at the /RD-WORK-6/.	382.2006
338		383.1737	And	383.5913
340		384.2049	this	384.4472
342		384.6998	kid used to come in there all the time, and he was really really	388.3347
344		388.7420	out of it. It was psychiatric, so, you know, he had some	391.9733
346		392.3291	problems.	393.0354
348		393.9996	So he would come in, and	395.5552
350		395.9935	he'd always leave me a message	397.8496
352		398.2517	by the title of a book.	399.9789
354		400.4481	He'd have messages	401.6841
356		402.1069	titled like-	403.0246
358		404.3755	I can't even think of any now.	405.9686
360		406.6853	But the	407.2665
362		407.5552	titles, if you put 'em all together, it was a message.	410.8756
364		411.4066	So it was kind of scary.	412.9108
366		413.6738	I was very nervous,	414.9164
368		415.6124	but	415.8857
370		417.1592	I didn't let him know that.	418.6544
372		418.7971	And I didn't run from him or anything like that.	421.5248
374		422.4425	So one day he was- um,	424.2573
376		425.3902	he was reading	426.4730
378		427.2670	in the library, and, um,	429.0870
380		429.1849	he used to read the Who's Who.	430.8245
382		431.6944	So he said, /RD-NAME-1/, come here.	433.5454
384		434.2414	So I went over, and he said,	435.9054
386		436.4217	this is my dad	437.5398
388		438.4317	or father, whatever he said.	440.1744
390		441.1540	I said, oh,	442.2934
392		443.0359	/RD-ADDRESS-4/ Georgia, I said, that's where I'm from.	445.7465
394		447.1646	He said, really? I said, yeah. I said, I knew some /RD-NAME-3/. I said, you must, uh, be the /RD-NAME-3/	452.7003
396		453.1076	from /RD-ADDRESS-4/.	454.1852
398		454.8554	I said, you know /RD-NAME-4/?	456.5809
400		456.9457	He said, it was my grandfather.	458.6126
402		459.3809	I said, really?	460.5461
404		461.3748	And he said, yeah.	462.6844
406		463.1535	I said, oh, I knew them.	464.5765
408		464.8343	I knew.	465.4501
410		465.5722	your family, and like that.	467.0345
412		468.2100	So the very next day-	469.6920
414		469.8052	well actually	470.7570
416		471.5458	his father,	473.0153
418		473.3078	it was a professor at the U of R.	475.4423
420		476.4425	He was-	476.8632
422		476.9380	he was a professor of economics	479.4727
424		479.6841	at the U of R.	480.6637
426		481.4887	But he'd never visit /RD-NAME-1/	483.1746
428		483.5768	beca-	483.9068
430		484.3862	his name was /RD-NAME-2/, but	485.7151
432		486.2667	everybody called him /RD-NAME-1/,	487.7155
434		488.3084	the son.	488.9117
436		490.6389	So	491.1634
438		491.2323	f-	491.3817
440		491.5667	/RD-NAME-1/ would go up	492.4575
442		492.5967	to the U of R. Every time he get a honor card that he could leave the grounds,	496.6647
444		496.9881	he'd go to the U of R.	498.2874
446		498.7720	And he'd smash all the windows in his father's car,	501.9738
448		502.5564	or he'd spray paint 'em,	503.9368
450		504.4884	but security wouldn't,	505.7877
452		506.1950	and the father wouldn't press charges. So they would bring him back	509.3748
454		509.9986	to the /RD-WORK-6/.	511.4423
456		511.6537	He'd lose his privilege,	512.9117
458		513.2571	then when he earned the honor card,	514.9121
460		515.1943	he'd go and do the same thing.	516.8339
462		517.5196	His father would	518.4786
464		518.8756	visit him,	519.7057
466		520.0769	but he stopped	521.0809
468		521.3438	because /RD-NAME-1/ would become violent	523.3185
470		523.8547	on the ward he was staying on.	525.6335
472		526.2470	So he stopped visiting him,	528.0657
474		528.6586	but his mother would visit him.	530.4116
476		531.2365	And he got along pretty good with his mother, but he did have a temper.	535.4216
478		536.6694	But he never	537.4891
480		538.0356	displayed the temper with me.	539.8285
482		540.6586	So	541.1999
484		541.7361	the day after	542.9787
486		543.7572	he was reading the Who's Who,	545.4109
488		546.1018	and his father	547.2670
490		547.7568	was in it,	548.4992
492		549.4221	and,	549.8346
494		550.7575	you know, I'd say, I know	551.9007
496		552.9422	the f- the /RD-NAME-3/.	554.2208
498		555.0045	The very next day,	556.2670
500		556.4094	his father came	557.4521
502		558.3595	who n-	558.7892
504		558.8855	had stopped visiting years before.	561.4169
506		563.0558	He came,	563.9014
508		565.1697	and h-	565.7111
510		566.1789	his wife came with him.	567.8287
512		568.6949	He introduced hisself,	570.3448
514		571.2419	told me where he was from. And	573.0261
516		573.1469	I shook his hand, and I was glad to meet him.	575.3291
518		576.8500	H- well, uh,	578.0898
520		578.1830	I think we	578.8171
522		579.1069	chatted a little bit,	580.2979
524		581.1228	and soon after that	582.8294
526		583.6234	he would call, and-	585.0966
528		585.5606	or his wife would call, and they would invite me	588.3138
530		589.2058	out for lunch.	590.0771
532		591.1636	And it was to thank me for	593.0403
534		593.2105	being nice to	594.2932
536		594.5922	their son.	595.2161
538		596.0809	So we'd always go	597.2779
540		597.3553	to, uh, Phillips European. You ever go [there?]	600.0970
541	ROC_int_01	599.8189	[Mm-hm.]	600.4039
542	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	600.2811	[Ooh], I love that [place.]	601.6028
543	ROC_int_01	601.1542	[Yeah, me] too.	601.9070
544		602.0809	[<laugh>]	602.5243
545	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	602.4996	[I-] one time I dropped the, um,	604.7568
546		604.9372	<ts>	605.1228
548		605.7312	torte,	606.0973
550		606.3138	raspberry torte.	607.3957
552		607.6335	I dropped it, and I	608.8064
554		608.9578	picked it up, and I ate it. [<laugh>]	611.4167
555	ROC_int_01	611.3636	[It's] so [good.]	612.1849
556	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	612.0303	[That's] how good they [were.] (laughing)	613.7317
557	ROC_int_01	613.2109	[<laugh>]	613.9379
558	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	614.2253	So we would go there,	615.7772
560		616.4010	and we would eat,	617.6333
562		617.9117	and he would go back to work.	619.6079
564		619.8348	His wife was /RD-NAME-1/.	621.2203
566		621.5967	She'd go wherever she go.	623.0146
568		623.3084	And I would go back to work.	624.6747
570		625.9482	And, um,	626.6893
572		627.0399	<ts>	627.1842
574		627.8803	so, uh, not too long	630.1024
576		630.4737	after	631.2161
578		631.5203	he came there	632.4573
580		633.6019	to meet me,	634.4784
582		635.2156	he brought his daughter	636.4685
584		637.0253	who lived in Boston.	638.5346
586		639.8957	Her name is /RD-NAME-1/.	641.1744
588		642.4324	So he introduced /RD-NAME-1/	644.4676
590		644.9729	to /RD-NAME-1/.	645.7617
591	ROC_int_01	645.9164	<laugh>	646.3752
592	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	646.6640	She was glad to meet me.	648.4634
594		649.6440	And, um,	650.6532
596		651.5091	we-	652.0453
598		653.3394	she and I, we never went anywhere. She was just here visiting, but	656.7938
600		656.9022	he brought her there to meet me.	658.4010
602		659.6848	And	660.0045
604		660.5149	al- I always thought that	662.2000
606		663.0760	he told his wife about me,	665.4425
608		666.4118	but he didn't tell anybody else until I met /RD-NAME-1/.	669.7978
610		670.6021	And I'm thinking, maybe he told	672.4479
612		672.8191	/RD-NAME-1/	673.3450
614		674.7615	because he was too proud to tell me	677.3445
616		679.0769	cause	679.3669
618		679.4591	he's from the old days in the South.	681.5194
620		681.9886	You didn't mingle like that.	683.4477
622		684.0870	And I think	684.6997
624		684.7724	it woulda been embarrassment to him	686.8749
626		687.6225	for anybody to know	688.9114
628		689.3858	that I was his ch-	690.3193
630		690.6182	his child.	691.3605
632		691.7678	So	692.2201
634		693.1894	I never said anything,	694.5402
636		695.1022	but all my life	696.2571
638		696.9222	I had been told he was my father.	699.1018
640		700.3649	But my mother, she would never talk about it.	702.7005
642		703.0150	I don't where I left off now.	704.6893
643	ROC_int_01	705.8184	[Uh-]	706.1793
644	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	706.1174	[Oh], he woulda been embarrassed	707.7828
645		708.2520	I think	708.8315
647		708.9082	cause in the old days you didn't-	710.7615
649		711.7823	I s- like I said, I don't know if it was consensual. They was	715.1800
651		715.8503	going behind the bend somewhere,	717.8339
653		718.4990	or if he was forcing hisself and she was scared	721.4584
654	ROC_int_01	721.6801	Mm-hm.	722.1390
655	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	722.1737	cause they had so much influence down there.	724.7980
657		726.2829	So, um,	727.4481
659		728.4366	<ts>	728.5476
661		729.2564	uh,	729.9215
663		731.0919	I would tell my mother	732.4923
665		732.6299	every time I see him	733.9173
667		734.6274	or I- he'd call me	735.8597
669		736.5196	or he'd send me a note.	737.8601
671		738.0509	Like-	738.4118
673		739.4481	and my mother would get	740.3897
675		740.5357	very upset, and she would drink.	742.9888
677		743.4013	She would get drunk like for days.	745.6750
679		746.4882	And I think it was	747.7411
681		748.3598	bad memories for her,	749.8137
683		750.1798	so I stopped telling her.	751.5306
685		752.1273	Whenever I would	753.0811
687		754.1329	meet them for lunch or	755.5920
689		756.2159	go to the house, I would never,	757.8021
691		757.9561	um, tell my mother	759.3595
693		760.2618	because I didn't wanna hurt her like that.	762.2623
695		762.5304	[I didn't] know the story,	763.8760
696	ROC_int_01	762.5587	[Mm.]	762.8949
697	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	764.2253	so it was no reason to	765.6792
699		766.3288	keep bringing it up to her.	767.7415
701		768.3190	<ts>	768.4218
703		768.8655	So, um,	769.8967
705		771.9473	when I was	772.9372
707		773.4992	ten,	774.0870
709		775.3038	my mother- uh, oh, and I went all over the town,	778.3082
711		778.7207	you know, nobody bothered me.	780.1849
713		780.5819	Like, my grandmother picked peaches in season,	783.5142
715		784.1845	and we didn't have babysitters.	785.8189
717		786.4015	So after I'd	787.3192
719		787.7472	do my-	788.3954
721		788.5346	I so-called did my chores, (laughing)	790.7793
722	ROC_int_01	791.1672	[Mm-hm.]	791.5459
723	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	791.5104	[I] go to the movie	792.7882
724		793.3553	which	793.7678
726		794.6841	was owned by the	795.6264
728		795.7779	/RD-NAME-3/.	796.6124
730		797.5611	And	797.9684
732		799.2625	I c-	799.5761
734		799.8451	I couldn't sit upstairs. I had to sit downstairs	803.8704
736		804.1540	where the white people sit.	805.2780
738		806.8440	That was what he insisted, the father.	809.4992
739	ROC_int_01	809.9168	[Mm.]	810.4221
740	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	810.2984	[/RD-NAME-1/]	811.0666
741		811.5976	/RD-NAME-4/ they called /him/.	813.1946
743		813.5761	So I would sit downstairs	815.7518
745		816.2674	with the white people.	817.2095
747		818.0600	And these were weekdays,	819.5059
749		819.6508	so I think it mighta been	821.3497
751		821.7207	to protect me	822.7364
753		823.5665	that he had me sit downstairs and watch the movies.	826.8545
755		827.3804	If I was sitting upstairs, there's nobody watching me.	830.3192
757		831.5655	S- and I think he also	833.2721
759		833.9372	supported my grandmother and me	836.2031
761		836.9689	cause we had everything we needed.	838.6844
763		838.9061	She couldn't-	839.5918
765		840.0971	she couldn't support us	841.4118
767		841.7366	just picking peaches	842.9121
769		843.4006	whenever the peach season was, summer I guess.	845.9114
771		847.0715	And-	847.4096
773		847.5349	and I-	848.0885
775		848.2429	I wore shoes. I had shoes.	850.2616
777		850.9576	And I wore corduroys, you know, I done had	853.4324
779		853.6180	sweater.	854.2780
781		854.8864	I had nice things, so I know	856.9731
783		857.8083	the money was coming from somewhere.	859.9892
785		860.6131	And my mother would send a box now and then, but it was mostly goodies.	864.4786
787		865.2767	It wasn't clothes or anything. She didn't know how big I was or whatever.	868.8751
789		870.4889	So,	871.0303
791		871.4634	um,	872.0511
793		873.0256	when I was ten	874.1224
795		874.8236	my grandmother-	875.9011
797		876.5456	my mother	877.2262
799		878.8787	and my grandmother, they musta been writing letters or something.	882.3291
801		882.7518	I don't think they had	883.6514
803		883.7417	telephones. I know we didn't.	885.6532
805		886.5039	So they probably had,	888.0971
807		888.9581	uh,	889.4994
809		889.8913	communication by letter.	891.5191
811		892.6328	And my mother ca- showed up to bring me here.	895.6129
813		896.9482	And my grandmother was very upset,	899.4474
815		899.8908	and she moved to Florida with her sister.	902.4172
817		903.7615	Left my mother and me there with the pigs and the chickens and <laugh> all the vegetables, everything, the eggs,	910.1121
819		910.5297	the whole house,	911.3443
821		911.8393	well, our half, everything.	913.4066
823		914.0975	So	914.6543
825		916.2977	I ate so many	917.6640
827		918.4116	chick-	918.6646
829		918.7629	I ate chicken cooked so many ways. [<laugh>]	922.4678
830	ROC_int_01	921.9007	[<laugh>]	922.5916
831	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	923.1123	I got so tired of chicken.	924.9426
833		925.8294	I remember my	926.6760
835		926.7752	g- s- excuse [me.]	927.7563
836	ROC_int_01	927.6532	[Yup.]	928.0038
837		928.2170	/Chicken/ so many [different kind of ways. <laugh>]	930.5198
838	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	928.9267	[Oh yeah, all kind of] chicken.	930.9735
839		931.5458	And we couldn't give 'em away cause people had they own chickens, [eggs too],	935.2051
840	ROC_int_01	934.4739	[Mm-hm]	935.0464
841	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	935.3959	vegetables. (laughing)	936.9839
843		937.7057	And, uh,	938.4378
845		938.9881	so my mother gave me	940.3544
847		941.1123	probably a nickel or a dime or something- dime probably,	944.3502
849		944.9071	<ts>	944.9760
851		945.2149	and I had to go	946.3235
853		946.6740	to the cafe	947.7516
855		948.3652	and get a burger,	949.3963
857		949.8500	/but/	949.9841
859		950.2213	I don't think they called 'em that back then. I don't know what they called 'em.	953.8083
861		954.3394	And a-	954.7776
863		954.9632	and a	955.2417
865		955.5046	Coca-Cola.	956.4945
867		957.5655	And that's what I would eat, and she let me do that until we	961.1334
869		961.7418	came up here.	962.6337
871		963.9832	And I didn't get tired of 'em like I got tired of that [chicken.] (laughing)	967.6026
872	ROC_int_01	967.4296	[Mm-hm.]	967.9951
873	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	968.1336	So we came up here,	969.8646
875		970.4600	<ts>	970.5000
877		970.7772	and	971.2567
879		972.0043	we lived, um,	973.3551
881		974.7575	in a house	975.4263
883		975.7872	on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street.	977.2589
885		977.4239	I forgot. I-	978.1733
887		978.2732	I think it was	978.9993
889		979.4582	/RD-ADDRESS-2/	980.2367
891		980.5873	or /RD-ADDRESS-2/.	981.4263
893		981.9780	Anyway, um,	983.0762
895		985.1334	we was	985.7366
897		986.4584	I w-	986.7265
899		986.7892	I got a-	987.4385
901		987.5182	um,	988.1997
903		988.8133	<ts>	988.9679
905		989.0968	um,	989.6176
907		992.0666	she got a knock on the door once, and she opened the door, and it was my grandmother.	996.1847
909		997.2984	My grandmother had left Florida,	999.0809
911		999.6687	come up here	1000.5452
913		1001.3082	and got a	1001.9166
915		1002.1692	place to stay	1003.2520
917		1003.5716	and came and took me back	1005.2000
919		1005.3026	with her.	1005.8852
921		1006.3905	And we lived on	1007.5144
923		1008.1177	/RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street off /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street.	1010.4533
924	ROC_int_01	1011.2498	Mm-hm.	1011.5448
925	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1011.5552	I don't know if you familiar with [that.]	1013.5299
926	ROC_int_01	1013.4650	[What's] the- is that on this side of [town, or s-]	1015.7263
927	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1015.0354	[Mm-mm.]	1015.5613
928		1015.8449	You know where, um,	1017.3181
930		1019.3856	it's church on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ at /RD-ADDRESS-3/?	1022.0150
931	ROC_int_01	1022.7781	Yeah, okay.	1023.5257
932	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1023.5823	Okay, that's /RD-ADDRESS-2/ S-	1024.8700
934		1025.2618	/RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street.	1026.1692
936		1028.0717	Um,	1028.6323
938		1028.9108	/RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street was off	1030.3441
940		1031.0556	/RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street.	1031.8527
941	ROC_int_01	1031.8594	Okay.	1032.2116
942	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1032.7776	So that's where we lived,	1034.3476
944		1034.4230	and we stayed there-	1035.6738
946		1037.8754	uh, I was thirteen,	1039.5046
948		1039.8604	and we stayed-	1040.6904
950		1041.5449	no I was ten	1042.6446
952		1042.7221	cause I came up here, and my grandmother,	1044.6590
954		1045.2726	she couldn't handle that,	1046.6358
956		1046.7161	so she came right behind us.	1048.4059
958		1049.0504	But she was prepared.	1050.0874
960		1050.2203	She had a place for me to stay. (laughing)	1052.5100
961	ROC_int_01	1052.6853	[Mm-hm.]	1053.3645
962	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1053.0049	[So]	1053.5862
963		1053.8646	I stayed with my grandmother	1055.6537
965		1056.6436	until I was thirteen.	1058.1181
967		1059.5346	So when we first got up- when I f-	1061.6433
969		1061.9166	when she first got here	1063.4840
971		1064.1852	and-	1064.6595
973		1065.9265	to take me to school,	1067.4985
975		1067.6439	it was Number /RD-SCHOOL-1/ School on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Avenue.	1070.4069
977		1071.1273	It's on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Avenue now.	1072.9679
979		1073.4990	But the r-	1073.9682
981		1074.2311	original was on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Avenue.	1076.3089
983		1077.0912	So	1077.6377
985		1078.1378	I was go to f-	1079.0554
987		1079.1664	fifth grade,	1079.9011
989		1080.9117	and they said I couldn't,	1082.4172
991		1082.7265	uh,	1083.1699
993		1083.4006	cause I was coming from the South.	1084.9473
995		1085.9991	And she said,	1086.7828
997		1087.5149	she going to fifth grade. (breathy)	1089.1995
999		1089.3284	I don't know exact words. She mighta cussed. I [don't know.] (laughing)	1092.2517
1000	ROC_int_01	1091.8650	[<laugh>]	1092.5198
1001	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1092.8653	But, um,	1093.6902
1003		1094.2419	they insisted that I couldn't go to fifth grade	1096.8878
1005		1097.0344	cause	1097.4165
1007		1097.8341	I was coming from the South.	1099.3888
1009		1100.0666	So my grandmother said,	1101.5243
1011		1103.3752	you gonna have to test her	1104.8343
1013		1105.2777	because she going to the fifth grade. Now you can test her,	1108.4317
1015		1109.1432	but she going to fifth grade.	1110.6590
1017		1111.7057	And so they tested me,	1113.3129
1019		1113.8027	and they said,	1114.5606
1021		1115.0143	oh,	1115.6794
1023		1115.9372	she can't go to fifth grade.	1117.5613
1025		1117.9016	She has to go to sixth grade.	1119.3799
1027		1120.0141	My grandmother said, uh-uh, she going to fifth grade.	1122.6230
1029		1123.4685	She's not skipping, and she's not staying back. She going to fifth grade. (laughing)	1128.0267
1030	ROC_int_01	1128.0361	[<laugh>]	1128.9787
1031	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1128.1068	[<laugh>]	1129.1437
1032		1130.0253	So (breathy) I said, okay.	1132.3080
1034		1132.9532	I mean, she said okay. So I went to Number /RD-SCHOOL-1/ School in the fifth grade.	1137.3078
1036		1138.4523	That's where I met my husband.	1139.9424
1038		1140.1280	<laugh>	1140.6900
1040		1141.3190	The first /day/,	1142.3869
1042		1142.5207	uh, some-	1143.3335
1044		1143.4219	somebody	1144.1248
1046		1144.2171	told him a new girl was in town, and	1146.7312
1048		1147.0870	he came right to the house on that raggedy bicycle, no fenders. <laugh>	1151.5763
1050		1151.9424	Is that what you call them	1153.1205
1052		1153.2051	things on the-	1153.9679
1054		1154.0688	[over the wheels?]	1154.9379
1055	ROC_int_01	1154.2007	[Mm-hm.]	1154.5751
1056	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1155.6480	And	1156.0627
1058		1156.1255	we was together all the time until he came out of the army, and then we got married.	1160.3811
1060		1160.8554	But, um,	1161.6480
1062		1162.3905	<ts>	1162.4936
1064		1162.6328	uh,	1163.5248
1066		1166.1955	my teacher then was Miss /RD-NAME-3/,	1168.9061
1068		1169.6743	and she had us for fifth grade and sixth grade	1172.8385
1070		1172.9676	and seventh grade.	1174.0563
1072		1174.1464	Sh-	1174.2872
1074		1174.3652	she would not	1175.3959
1076		1176.0043	let us go.	1176.9375
1078		1178.0217	And when we graduated from Number /RD-SCHOOL-1/ School,	1180.9834
1080		1181.6382	she stopped teaching.	1182.7931
1082		1183.2313	She said she'd never teach another class.	1185.5655
1084		1186.3389	She loved us so much.	1187.7310
1086		1188.2724	So she, um,	1189.6129
1088		1190.1955	<ts>	1190.3295
1090		1191.0964	became a principal	1192.4369
1092		1192.7978	at another school	1193.8805
1094		1194.3188	until she retired.	1195.5355
1096		1196.5048	So	1197.1015
1098		1197.2052	that's how I got here.	1198.7565
1100		1200.1228	Now	1200.6178
1102		1200.9839	I have to look at my [notes.]	1202.4017
1103	ROC_int_01	1202.2831	[Mm-hm.]	1202.6980
1104		1202.7701	Yeah.	1203.1428
1105	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1203.8079	And this is Miss /RD-NAME-1/	1205.6330
1107		1206.5301	[/RD-NAME-2/.]	1207.2056
1108	ROC_int_01	1206.9510	[Uh-huh.]	1207.2577
1109	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1208.5151	No, that's Miss /RD-NAME-1/. This Miss /RD-NAME-3/ right there.	1211.6640
1110	ROC_int_01	1211.7568	Oh wow.	1212.8189
1111	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1212.9529	And you know what?	1213.6799
1113		1214.0356	She lived up here on West /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street.	1216.2616
1115		1217.3391	You know where the little plaza	1219.3757
1117		1219.5926	/on/ the fish [market?]	1221.0603
1118	ROC_int_01	1220.7759	[Mm-hm.]	1221.5264
1119	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1221.5965	Right past /RD-ADDRESS-3/ Avenue	1223.5866
1121		1223.9527	this big	1224.5452
1123		1224.7839	beautiful brick house,	1226.1491
1125		1226.6994	and it used to be a church next door, but they tore the church down.	1230.1589
1126	ROC_int_01	1230.2053	Yeah.	1230.6590
1127	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1230.7570	That's where she [lived with her brother] all those years.	1233.7769
1128	ROC_int_01	1231.5908	[Oh wow.]	1232.3454
1129		1234.4420	Wow.	1235.0659
1130	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1235.9321	So,	1236.3652
1132		1236.6951	um,	1237.2468
1134		1238.6234	let's see. (breathy)	1239.5913
1136		1240.4059	Oh, and we got-	1241.4010
1138		1241.7619	I met my husband,	1242.9426
1140		1244.3192	and, um,	1245.1170
1142		1245.6377	I got- I told you all that.	1247.0790
1144		1247.1405	We had three children.	1248.3703
1146		1249.2107	Two of living-	1249.9878
1148		1250.0587	two are still living. My daughter is-	1252.2148
1150		1252.3009	/RD-NAME-2/ is fifty-seven.	1253.8393
1152		1254.3548	My son /RD-NAME-2/, he's fifty-four.	1256.3450
1154		1257.5449	And I went to Number /RD-SCHOOL-1/ School.	1259.5248
1156		1260.7725	I said all that.	1262.0511
1158		1263.2098	And when I l- graduated	1264.6534
1160		1265.6330	from Number /RD-SCHOOL-1/	1267.0560
1162		1267.2726	after seventh grade,	1268.4842
1164		1268.9534	I went on to /RD-SCHOOL-4/. That's where you used to go.	1272.1435
1166		1272.7673	It's now the /RD-SCHOOL-5/ School.	1274.7575
1167	ROC_int_01	1274.9328	Mm.	1275.4831
1168	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1275.6429	And when we finished eighth grade at the /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	1278.4013
1170		1278.5920	we'd go to the	1279.4989
1172		1279.7375	high school	1280.5358
1174		1280.9018	which was on /RD-ADDRESS-4/ Street.	1282.8545
1176		1283.5763	But now it's on	1284.8498
1178		1285.2313	/RD-ADDRESS-1/ and /RD-ADDRESS-2/.	1286.3656
1179	ROC_int_01	1286.6389	Okay.	1287.0617
1180	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1288.2358	And- um,	1289.3082
1182		1290.2672	and we had to go-	1291.1385
1184		1291.7469	in Number /RD-SCHOOL-1/ School,	1292.8850
1186		1294.1585	you all we- y-	1294.9491
1188		1295.0175	everybody had to go home for lunch.	1296.8395
1190		1297.3757	There was no	1298.1399
1192		1298.2362	cafeteria. There was no free lunch.	1300.6070
1194		1301.1690	You didn't take a lunch.	1302.3231
1196		1302.4607	You went home. You got out of the school.	1304.5151
1198		1305.2459	And it didn't matter where you lived,	1306.7875
1200		1307.7877	you still had to go.	1309.0406
1202		1309.6232	So	1310.0975
1204		1310.4069	most of the time, in the beginning,	1312.2925
1206		1313.0143	when I'd come back to school,	1314.6745
1208		1316.0975	school was about over cause	1317.5769
1210		1317.6427	I would go the wrong way.	1319.1020
1212		1319.8290	I wasn't familiar	1321.1231
1214		1321.4066	with the city, you know.	1322.5719
1216		1323.1428	So instead of me coming out the school and going right,	1326.1589
1218		1326.8807	I would come out	1327.9325
1220		1328.1697	go left	1328.9276
1222		1329.2046	cause I probably was coming out a different door. I don't remember.	1332.5147
1224		1333.2777	My mother	1333.9119
1226		1335.0153	had a restaurant inside of the /RD-WORK-6/,	1338.3961
1228		1339.3035	so I had to go there for lunch	1341.2665
1230		1341.7357	which was	1342.2874
1232		1342.4936	like	1342.7565
1234		1342.9061	a block or two from the school, but I could never find it.	1346.1749
1236		1346.6337	That's cause I was going the wrong [way.] (laughing)	1349.5041
1237	ROC_int_01	1348.3699	[<laugh>]	1349.8599
1238	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1350.0300	/This old/ country girl, you know, streets with cars on 'em and everything.	1354.4884
1240		1354.9525	So,	1355.4990
1242		1356.8343	uh,	1357.3138
1244		1358.7317	we-	1359.1737
1246		1359.4727	we would	1359.9161
1248		1360.2616	go home for lunch	1361.5402
1250		1362.7106	and	1363.4994
1252		1365.5140	come back to school.	1366.7720
1254		1367.2154	We'd hang out, not hang out,	1368.9709
1256		1369.0400	but if- if we- if I was good, my mother would let me stay on the playground	1373.4216
1258		1374.1394	and play	1375.0148
1260		1375.8604	on the playground with the other kids.	1377.7563
1262		1378.2874	So,	1378.7462
1264		1379.3598	<ts>	1379.4423
1266		1379.6588	uh,	1380.2724
1268		1382.1181	if we got into tr- I got in trouble	1384.2032
1270		1384.2922	because	1384.8287
1272		1385.2257	coming back too late,	1386.4013
1274		1386.8653	but I finally got a grip	1388.4017
1276		1388.5822	[o-]	1388.6671
1277	ROC_int_01	1388.6553	[Mm-hm.]	1388.9424
1278	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1388.8491	[once] they told my mother. My mother had to	1391.1432
1279		1391.4990	come to school and straighten it out.	1393.2520
1281		1393.9841	So	1394.4481
1283		1395.5759	and you didn't have a choice of where you go to high school.	1398.4786
1285		1399.0870	If you lived	1399.9397
1287		1400.0108	on the-	1400.9379
1289		1401.6635	I'd had to draw it at work.	1403.1278
1291		1403.6588	If you lived on the north side of the school,	1406.4481
1293		1407.5604	you went to Franklin.	1408.6483
1295		1409.3959	If you lived on the south side of the school,	1412.0099
1297		1412.3605	you went to East.	1413.4109
1299		1414.4059	And if you was	1415.3959
1301		1416.2105	a boy,	1416.9478
1303		1417.8191	you had a choice	1418.9895
1305		1419.5604	of going to,	1420.6483
1307		1421.3010	um,	1421.8393
1309		1421.9652	the school	1422.8034
1311		1423.7882	on whatever side of the building,	1425.2923
1313		1426.1172	or you could go to	1427.3701
1315		1427.9991	Edison Tech	1429.3035
1317		1429.8964	or Paul Revere	1431.2000
1319		1431.3902	Trade Schools.	1432.4627
1321		1432.5658	They used to be on Clifford Avenue	1434.6178
1322	ROC_int_01	1435.2032	Mm.	1435.5477
1323	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1436.1645	near Joseph Avenue,	1437.7563
1325		1437.9639	big-	1438.3326
1327		1438.5539	took the whole block from	1440.0507
1329		1440.7415	Hudson Avenue	1441.9222
1331		1442.3914	to- um,	1443.3902
1333		1444.2306	I don't remember the name of the street, but it's a street	1447.0303
1335		1447.1488	before you get to Joseph Avenue.	1449.0757
1337		1449.3026	It was a huge school, and it was all boys.	1451.8135
1339		1452.3806	So they w-	1452.9822
1341		1453.0788	their boys	1453.8397
1343		1454.1800	like	1454.5100
1345		1455.0565	that-	1455.4573
1347		1456.1894	they may not have been able to	1457.8180
1349		1457.9141	teach them	1458.7828
1351		1459.6129	to grade level. I don't know.	1461.2000
1353		1461.8027	But	1462.1618
1355		1462.2617	that was the choices they had.	1464.0655
1357		1464.2293	You either go to	1465.3138
1359		1466.4251	Edison,	1467.2000
1361		1467.3293	or you go to Paul Revere.	1468.9318
1363		1469.5144	My cousin went to Paul Revere, and he learned tailoring,	1472.7987
1365		1474.0811	and a lot of 'em did.	1475.4062
1367		1475.6433	They took up tailoring.	1476.8962
1369		1477.4530	They didn't have computers back then, and I often wonder, why did they call that Edison Technical?	1482.2620
1371		1482.9942	What technical stuff did we have back then, you know? (laughing)	1486.1172
1373		1487.0607	So maybe- maybe I got the name wrong. Maybe they just been calling it that in the last forty years or so.	1493.5041
1375		1493.6330	I don't know.	1494.2105
1377		1494.8395	But that was	1495.5355
1379		1496.2419	what you did.	1496.9637
1381		1497.3284	And you walked.	1498.1636
1383		1498.9009	There was no school buses.	1500.3703
1384	ROC_int_01	1500.6554	[Mm.]	1501.1423
1385	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1501.0750	[You] get up, and you get	1502.5719
1386		1503.0359	to school.	1503.8440
1388		1504.9731	I lived on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street. You know where	1507.2571
1390		1507.5252	/RD-ADDRESS-4/?	1508.6698
1391	ROC_int_01	1508.9623	Yeah.	1509.2974
1392	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1510.2152	I lived	1510.7050
1394		1511.1381	like	1511.5176
1396		1511.6024	w-	1511.6931
1398		1511.7944	cross the street there where the /RD-ADDRESS-4/	1514.1903
1400		1514.6904	plant is,	1515.4985
1402		1516.5194	and I had to walk to /RD-SCHOOL-1/ High School	1518.6745
1404		1519.3602	on	1519.9119
1406		1520.1439	/RD-ADDRESS-4/ and /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street.	1522.0399
1408		1523.4629	And that was a long walk.	1524.8389
1409	ROC_int_01	1524.8441	Mm-hm.	1525.3582
1410	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1525.8810	But you had to do it, and you didn't think anything of it.	1528.5214
1412		1528.6184	You just did it	1529.4629
1414		1529.8032	cause that's all we knew.	1530.9581
1415	ROC_int_01	1531.2726	[Mm-hm.]	1531.8294
1416	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1531.6644	[And parents] didn't	1532.6337
1417		1532.9070	drive us.	1533.8697
1419		1534.4317	We didn't have school buses.	1536.0146
1421		1536.2517	Who could afford	1537.1240
1423		1537.2053	bus e-	1537.7057
1425		1537.8810	bus fare.	1538.6853
1427		1539.4831	And	1539.9883
1429		1540.4008	I don't even know if-	1541.6949
1431		1543.2107	I don't even know about bus- I think that never came up.	1546.3389
1433		1546.4987	I don't think it ever came up.	1547.9063
1435		1548.6436	You just got up and got ready for school, and you left home and went to school.	1552.9370
1437		1553.8032	And	1554.2053
1439		1554.6230	I had a friend /RD-NAME-1/.	1556.0202
1441		1556.6853	/RD-NAME-1/ and I were friends from	1558.4575
1443		1558.6534	fifth grade.	1559.4371
1445		1559.9939	She has	1560.7467
1447		1561.3138	Alzheimer's now, but she remembers me.	1563.7563
1448	ROC_int_01	1563.7847	Mm.	1564.1479
1449	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1564.4008	And she remembers that I gave her her books	1567.1540
1451		1567.8397	when she came to the classroom.	1569.7769
1453		1570.3389	I was the one that	1571.2463
1455		1572.0661	gave her all her books. She can remember that.	1574.3605
1457		1574.7987	So /RD-NAME-1/ and I, we walked to school	1576.9576
1459		1577.5969	in high school. But she dropped out cause she got	1580.4275
1461		1580.7936	pregnant	1581.2974
1463		1581.8130	which was unheard of back then.	1583.9991
1465		1584.5353	But,	1584.8018
1467		1585.0806	um,	1585.4983
1469		1585.6398	we're still friends.	1586.7729
1471		1587.1789	She-	1587.7414
1473		1587.8226	she recognized me a little bit, but	1589.8754
1475		1590.4477	I go up take her to	1591.5819
1477		1592.0563	get her nails done or s-	1593.6899
1479		1593.7736	take her for lunch, something like that.	1595.4680
1480	ROC_int_01	1595.4833	[Mm-hm.]	1596.0923
1481	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1595.9269	[She-]	1596.4322
1482		1596.7261	she recognize me, but I have to refresh her sometime.	1600.3905
1484		1601.0040	But she looks good.	1601.8857
1486		1602.7725	And she was born	1603.8088
1488		1604.4017	the seventeenth of February,	1606.4369
1490		1606.7772	and I was born the twenty-sixth.	1608.6230
1492		1609.3190	So	1609.8707
1494		1610.8606	we were like sisters.	1612.1852
1495	ROC_int_01	1612.2415	[Mm-hm.]	1612.6646
1496	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1612.5913	[We'd] stay at her house,	1614.1383
1497		1615.2571	or we'd stay at my house.	1616.7936
1499		1617.7460	And that's the way we grew up,	1619.5351
1501		1620.3033	so we grew up like sisters.	1622.1852
1503		1623.4882	I talk a lot. You [have to excuse me.]	1626.0610
1504	ROC_int_01	1624.8081	[No, this is good. I love] it.	1626.3711
1505		1626.5036	[<laugh>]	1627.0664
1506	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1626.6642	[/But/ you] have to excuse me. <laugh>	1628.7428
1507		1629.3438	Oh, and, uh, I remember that	1631.4474
1509		1632.5714	I wanted a pair of heels,	1634.1491
1511		1635.0951	and my	1635.6893
1513		1635.8904	mother wouldn't	1636.7811
1515		1636.8441	allow that.	1637.4784
1517		1637.8857	I couldn't have-	1638.6745
1519		1638.9529	by this time my grandmother had died,	1640.9482
1521		1641.9161	so I had to live with my mother.	1643.5248
1523		1643.6588	She	1644.3497
1525		1644.9684	didn't want me to wear heels,	1646.5925
1527		1647.2974	and	1647.7048
1529		1648.6380	Neisner's used to sell shoes and stuff, you know.	1652.0511
1531		1652.9932	And the heels I wanted was wedge.	1655.1587
1533		1655.8135	Oh boy, I wanted them shoes so bad.	1658.2367
1535		1658.7111	Now	1659.1118
1537		1660.0038	I wasn't gonna show you which one is me. I was gonna let you [guess.]	1663.5016
1538	ROC_int_01	1663.4594	[<laugh>]	1664.2213
1539	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1664.4430	And my friend /RD-NAME-1/ got the wedge shoes, but I couldn't.	1667.5815
1541		1668.3371	<ts>	1668.3931
1543		1668.8462	And I had to wear	1669.9068
1545		1670.1069	socks,	1670.8657
1547		1671.8594	and /RD-NAME-1/ wearing	1672.7823
1549		1673.7258	stockings,	1674.6126
1551		1674.9529	and I'm wearing socks, you know.	1676.5151
1553		1677.6790	/?/	1677.9729
1555		1679.3856	S-	1679.6227
1557		1681.0148	sorry about that.	1682.0666
1558	ROC_int_01	1682.7251	/You're good/.	1683.2871
1559	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1683.5140	I'm kind of clumsy sometime.	1685.2773
1561		1686.3600	So somebody gave me a pair of	1688.2213
1563		1688.5667	shoes, and it had a heel on it.	1690.4730
1565		1691.1484	Now the heel was probably not one inch,	1693.3293
1567		1694.2934	you know. It's just i- probably a little shoe like that.	1697.2797
1569		1697.3503	[<laugh>]	1698.4373
1570	ROC_int_01	1697.5763	[<laugh>]	1698.9735
1571	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1699.0870	If-	1699.3138
1573		1699.6232	if it was that high.	1700.8348
1575		1701.2407	And I would	1701.8506
1577		1701.9356	take that-	1702.5721
1579		1702.7259	take them shoes to school with me,	1704.9323
1581		1705.7263	and change 'em on my way there.	1707.5655
1583		1708.7359	But by the time I get to school, my feet was hurting so [bad], (laughing)	1712.9225
1584	ROC_int_01	1712.6462	[Oh], [/kay/]	1713.7666
1585	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1713.4315	[I'd take] the shoes off.	1714.9370
1586		1715.2515	I think I finally gave 'em to somebody. I thought,	1717.8604
1588		1718.2883	my mother was right. I wasn't ready for	1720.5245
1590		1720.7308	heels.	1721.3082
1592		1721.8908	And they weren't even heels. [<laugh>]	1724.2419
1593	ROC_int_01	1723.5201	[<laugh>]	1724.4275
1594	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1724.5564	They probably about this high. I don't know.	1727.0143
1596		1727.8599	So	1728.3961
1598		1729.2417	and like I say,	1730.3983
1600		1730.4671	um,	1730.9555
1602		1731.0204	we didn't have babysitters. We did what our parents told us to do.	1734.9375
1604		1736.0225	And with my mother,	1737.0036
1606		1737.4831	I either had to stay in the house-	1739.0865
1608		1739.4268	and she did day work.	1740.5662
1610		1741.0664	She got five dollars a day in bus fare.	1743.5295
1612		1744.4472	I remember /our/ rent was	1745.8865
1614		1745.9978	twenty dollars a month.	1747.4943
1616		1747.6438	<laugh>	1748.7575
1618		1749.0977	Isn't that [something?]	1750.0863
1619	ROC_int_01	1750.0089	[Mm-hm.]	1750.6844
1620	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1750.8390	Twenty [dollars a month.]	1752.2976
1621	ROC_int_01	1751.6073	[Good old day- <laugh>]	1752.8911
1622	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1752.5592	[We had] a two bedroom apartment too.	1754.9740
1623		1755.8130	And back then it wasn't a lot of single houses. White people had	1759.2829
1625		1759.7882	all the single houses.	1761.1170
1627		1761.6480	And we lived	1762.3905
1629		1762.6947	in apartment houses	1764.1939
1631		1764.4502	or up over stores.	1765.9841
1632	ROC_int_01	1766.1645	Mm.	1766.5255
1633	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1766.8179	So	1767.2717
1635		1768.0244	they didn't have,	1768.8390
1637		1769.4165	uh, projects	1770.5817
1639		1771.6851	and,	1772.0127
1641		1772.0898	uh,	1772.5925
1643		1772.9984	townhouses and	1774.3595
1645		1775.3082	apartment buildings and stuff. They didn't have all that back then.	1778.6389
1646	ROC_int_01	1778.7059	Mm, so [like the] Hanover houses, [they /unintelligible/]	1781.9372
1647	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1779.4160	[S-]	1779.5862
1649		1780.7514	[That wasn't built.]	1781.7877
1650		1782.2311	That [wasn't built.]	1783.1334
1651	ROC_int_01	1782.4683	[after that.] [/Okay/.]	1783.4840
1652	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1783.3963	[And] they had the reunion last Sunday, and I missed it.	1786.3956
1653		1787.2618	I missed the Hanover	1788.6900
1655		1789.2829	picnic last [Sunday.]	1790.6334
1656	ROC_int_01	1790.5612	[Man.]	1791.0458
1657	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1791.3604	That woulda been such a thrill to be there, and I missed it. I went to a-	1795.1485
1659		1795.6795	a cookout some,	1796.7674
1661		1797.4068	uh,	1797.8295
1663		1798.4726	<ts>	1798.6118
1665		1799.1377	fam- you know the /RD-NAME-2/?	1800.5710
1666	ROC_int_01	1801.4166	[Mm-]	1801.7878
1667	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1801.5816	[They go] to Mount Vernon.	1802.7056
1668	ROC_int_01	1803.2418	Think I [know.]	1803.7831
1669	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1803.7264	[Oh], they w- had a big cookout	1805.7925
1670		1806.0194	honoring their mother's death.	1807.4166
1672		1808.4942	And it's been two years,	1809.9275
1674		1810.4018	and they- um,	1811.3336
1676		1811.5708	they invited just about everybody they knew.	1814.0456
1678		1814.9479	So,	1815.4765
1680		1815.5745	um,	1816.1183
1682		1816.5489	<ts>	1816.5980
1684		1817.0707	but	1817.4161
1686		1818.0142	sometimes	1819.0041
1688		1819.7672	with no babysitter, I guess my mother would l-	1822.0750
1690		1822.1980	feel sorry for me,	1823.4522
1692		1823.9936	and I could go to what they call the Lutheran intermission.	1827.2315
1694		1828.2973	And it was over on Clinton Avenue. It was a long walk	1831.8889
1696		1831.9561	cause you had to go,	1832.7674
1698		1833.5202	um,	1834.0873
1700		1835.1429	through downtown,	1836.3597
1702		1837.1073	and	1837.5610
1704		1838.0559	it was just a long walk.	1839.5408
1706		1840.2111	But	1840.5049
1708		1840.8954	like I say, we did it.	1842.2158
1710		1842.3522	We walked. We didn't know anything different.	1844.5303
1712		1845.2727	It didn't matter how long it took us	1847.0913
1714		1847.5141	to get there or to get back home.	1849.3754
1716		1849.6899	We walked.	1850.3911
1718		1850.8293	Let me tell you a funny story about the first time	1853.4316
1720		1853.9472	I went over there.	1855.0815
1722		1855.8548	I had to cross,	1857.1283
1724		1858.2162	um,	1858.7000
1726		1859.4161	downtown where the Water Street	1861.7053
1728		1862.4735	Grill.	1863.0974
1729	ROC_int_01	1863.3314	Yeah.	1863.5904
1730	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1863.6199	I can't think of the name of that street,	1865.3594
1732		1866.1225	but there's a bridge there.	1867.5919
1734		1868.0972	Is it	1868.4087
1736		1868.5612	Cumberland Street?	1869.5769
1738		1869.8244	I don't know.	1870.4417
1739	ROC_int_01	1870.4726	I- yeah, I [don't remember the name.]	1871.9781
1740	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1871.1429	[It might be Water] Street. I don't know what the [name of it is.]	1874.5303
1741	ROC_int_01	1873.9116	[I know]	1874.4389
1743		1874.5042	[the] [area.]	1875.1561
1744	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1875.1296	[Okay.]	1875.5499
1745	ROC_int_01	1875.5721	Yeah.	1875.8984
1746	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1876.0962	There was a bridge crossing the river.	1878.0400
1748		1878.9474	The first time	1880.0817
1750		1880.9118	I went there,	1881.8502
1752		1882.5912	I was scared to death.	1884.6020
1754		1884.9330	I could not	1885.7995
1756		1885.8817	walk	1886.4119
1758		1886.4940	over that bridge. I had never	1888.4792
1760		1888.7614	been on a [bridge],	1890.0402
1761	ROC_int_01	1889.9451	[Mm.]	1890.3259
1762	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1891.4733	and I crawled.	1892.6952
1763	ROC_int_01	1893.1386	<laugh>	1893.5717
1764	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1893.6372	And the kids laughed at me,	1895.9054
1766		1896.4196	and I cried all the way cross that bridge.	1899.3747
1768		1900.1226	And when the-	1900.7511
1770		1900.8495	when I got to the mission	1902.5125
1772		1903.3481	and it was time to come back,	1904.8440
1774		1905.2706	I cried all the way	1906.7707
1776		1907.0570	cross that bridge again.	1908.8217
1778		1909.4703	And my mother	1910.2416
1780		1910.8084	went with me- no, my uncle,	1912.5131
1782		1912.7819	my mother's brother,	1913.8687
1784		1914.3888	he went with me the next time.	1916.3287
1786		1916.7787	And he held my hand, and he walked me cross that bridge	1920.2539
1788		1920.7856	And from then on,	1921.8432
1790		1922.6438	one of the friends that I walk with	1924.4841
1792		1924.6373	would hold my hand,	1925.7666
1794		1926.0474	and after a while I got used to it.	1927.9479
1796		1929.4321	And I was able to go.	1930.4839
1798		1931.5181	So that was my funny story.	1933.2000
1799	ROC_int_01	1933.4682	[/<laugh>/]	1934.1051
1800	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1933.7604	[But at] the mission,	1934.8940
1801		1935.5192	um,	1936.0392
1803		1936.7229	they taught us, um,	1938.5226
1805		1939.9877	about the bible.	1941.0454
1807		1941.7641	We had	1942.2724
1809		1942.8276	what they call religious instruction.	1944.7909
1811		1945.7024	It was two words	1946.6666
1813		1946.8286	I was not familiar with,	1948.2076
1815		1948.5991	religious instruction. <laugh>	1950.2188
1816	ROC_int_01	1950.2266	[<laugh>]	1950.9189
1817	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	1950.6773	[So] we got religious instruction.	1952.9582
1818		1953.4884	We got a meal,	1954.5051
1820		1955.0836	and we could either go in they gym,	1957.2281
1822		1958.2857	the boys usually did that,	1959.8050
1824		1960.3293	or we could do crafty things.	1962.5497
1826		1962.8419	I think it was like	1963.9306
1828		1964.0892	boondoggle or something.	1965.6642
1830		1965.9739	I don't know what it was back then, but	1967.9766
1832		1968.3505	that's usually what the girls did.	1970.0334
1834		1970.5301	And when it was time to go home,	1972.0844
1836		1972.7856	we'd take that long walk back	1974.7532
1838		1975.2966	cause we s- like I said, we lived over on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street.	1978.2942
1840		1978.8610	And we were walking from	1980.2301
1842		1980.3165	past downtown, you know.	1982.0207
1844		1982.8212	But we did it.	1983.4756
1846		1984.6910	And, um,	1985.8422
1848		1986.3096	when I got a little older,	1987.7645
1850		1988.5183	I could stay out til the street lights came on,	1991.3406
1852		1992.2229	and I could	1992.7764
1854		1993.0043	sit outside on the curb,	1994.7924
1856		1995.5812	uh,	1996.1246
1858		1997.3459	and there was a bakery called Stein's Bakery.	2000.4822
1860		2002.0365	And	2002.3871
1862		2002.8896	we would sit out there,	2004.2744
1864		2005.5483	and then sometimes the bakers would call us	2008.2580
1866		2008.6787	inside,	2009.4617
1868		2010.4375	and they would let us watch them	2012.3249
1870		2012.7222	cook	2013.2530
1872		2013.5796	what they call	2014.6665
1874		2015.1982	fry cakes.	2016.2150
1876		2017.1674	And	2017.5764
1878		2018.0381	I say doughnuts, but they said fry cakes.	2020.7361
1880		2021.4490	It was a big huge	2023.6519
1882		2024.0200	huge	2024.7446
1884		2026.0651	stove or whatever.	2027.6646
1886		2028.1671	And it was full of grease.	2029.5286
1888		2029.7916	The grease was just	2030.7031
1890		2030.9544	popping and bubbling.	2032.0588
1892		2032.4678	And the man had a long stick,	2034.2543
1894		2034.6575	and he would turn it-	2035.8203
1896		2036.3169	he'd turn those	2037.1980
1898		2037.2617	fry cakes over like a-	2038.9114
1900		2039.1852	a m-	2039.4717
1902		2039.6418	he was a master.	2040.8264
1904		2041.7321	And	2042.1444
1906		2042.3296	he'd s-	2042.6469
1908		2042.9247	take the stick, and he'd go through 'em when they were done,	2045.6646
1910		2046.0386	put 'em in a bag, and he'd give us a bag. Each one of us would get a bag.	2049.4904
1912		2049.7592	It was so much grease on them [bags.] (laughing)	2053.3820
1913	ROC_int_01	2051.8861	[<laugh>]	2052.1374
1914	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2054.1108	But we would	2054.9791
1916		2055.1252	eat 'em. We'd take them home,	2056.9916
1918		2057.9557	and we'd eat 'em.	2058.8327
1920		2059.1045	And we would sit out there all the time hoping this would be the night they'd call us in again. (laughing) [<laugh>]	2065.0245
1921	ROC_int_01	2064.6038	[Mm-hm.]	2065.2816
1922	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2065.7082	So we enjoyed the little greasy fry cakes as they called 'em.	2069.7501
1924		2070.3053	We call them doughnuts now.	2072.1459
1926		2072.4264	I think some people probably call them fry cakes, don't they?	2075.3698
1928		2075.8431	[You've heard that] [term, haven't you?]	2077.3989
1929	ROC_int_01	2075.9892	[Yeah.]	2076.3792
1931		2076.5407	[I've heard that term], [yeah.]	2077.8415
1932	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2077.6605	[Yeah.]	2077.9856
1933		2078.9342	So and then years later,	2080.7573
1935		2081.4336	um,	2081.9770
1937		2082.3042	I could go to Baden Street Settlement,	2084.1257
1939		2084.3132	but /now/ I don't remember how old I was.	2086.1608
1941		2087.0840	But	2087.4612
1943		2087.5387	I had to d- of course I had to be home at a certain time.	2090.7169
1945		2091.5175	And then they used to have dance contests there.	2094.4800
1947		2095.1563	I never learned how to dance,	2096.9545
1949		2097.0754	but I love	2098.4903
1951		2098.5544	watching them dance.	2099.9244
1953		2100.0997	Oh, that was just the joy.	2101.9212
1955		2102.7743	And they had,	2103.5700
1957		2103.6486	um,	2104.1650
1959		2104.7493	other activities too, but	2106.4381
1961		2107.0224	the most popular was the basketball games in the gym.	2110.6904
1963		2111.5201	And the	2111.9759
1965		2112.7881	boys would have names for they team,	2115.6848
1967		2116.3393	but the most popular names was	2118.6474
1969		2119.7459	the Whiz Kids.	2120.9496
1971		2121.6609	And my husband was a member of the Whiz kids,	2124.2306
1973		2124.3496	and they were the older boys.	2125.8914
1975		2126.3940	Then they had another	2127.7176
1977		2127.7929	like	2128.0360
1979		2128.1174	intermediate age I guess.	2129.9042
1981		2130.4067	They were the Gaylords,	2131.7916
1983		2132.8025	and	2133.3284
1985		2134.9762	the Gaylords,	2135.9446
1987		2136.4296	I think it might be a few of them still around	2138.8868
1989		2139.0364	cause they were younger than me.	2140.2277
1991		2141.0399	But the Whiz Kids,	2142.5108
1993		2142.8965	I think they're all gone except one,	2144.9416
1995		2145.1520	/RD-NAME-4/ who still has his good mind.	2148.1963
1997		2148.4944	He lives on /RD-ADDRESS-3/ Road.	2150.0237
1999		2150.7424	So I-	2151.2346
2001		2151.3683	I wave at him him every time I go over there cause he sits on his porch	2154.9613
2003		2155.3177	when he's not at the barber shop somewhere.	2157.5132
2005		2158.2436	He likes to go to the barber shop and	2160.0843
2007		2160.5284	chew the rag he call it, you [know.]	2162.2315
2008	ROC_int_01	2162.1555	[Mm-hm.]	2162.8342
2009	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2162.9868	He used to be on	2164.1671
2011		2164.5528	Jefferson all the time. It got a little too violent for him, so	2167.9828
2013		2168.3276	I don't know what barber shop he go to now, but	2170.7276
2015		2170.9905	that's what he likes to do.	2172.2468
2017		2172.7201	He was one of the Whiz kids.	2174.1809
2019		2174.5199	He wasn't tall.	2175.6827
2021		2176.0216	He was short,	2176.8205
2023		2177.1069	but he could play basketball. (laughing) <laugh>	2179.9759
2024	ROC_int_01	2180.2213	[Nice.]	2180.7940
2025	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2180.7005	[So] maybe next time you have a proje- well you won't do the same project again, will you?	2185.4027
2026	ROC_int_01	2185.8644	Yeah, but I- I m-	2186.9408
2028		2187.0088	I maybe coll- getting more interviews [later on down the] road.	2190.2869
2029	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2189.0080	[Oh, okay.]	2189.8721
2030		2190.3512	Well, I'll s-	2191.0115
2032		2191.1634	I could make sure you,	2192.3905
2034		2193.2670	uh, meet /RD-NAME-2/.	2194.4516
2036		2195.5268	Uh,	2195.8598
2038		2196.0760	besides Baden Street,	2197.5894
2040		2197.9868	I could go to,	2199.0647
2042		2199.1347	um,	2199.6229
2044		2199.9193	<ts> St. Simon's Church	2201.6113
2046		2201.7674	on Oregon Street.	2203.0572
2048		2203.6181	And the church is still there.	2205.0439
2050		2205.4938	It was a Catholic church. None of us were Catholic.	2208.5308
2052		2209.3722	But the priest was Father Primo,	2211.5225
2054		2212.4691	and every Friday	2213.6962
2056		2213.8933	he'd have a dance,	2215.1204
2058		2215.4418	and we'd all go.	2216.5529
2060		2216.7263	Oh, girl,	2217.5512
2062		2218.2991	I had my	2218.9837
2064		2219.2249	circle skirt	2220.4070
2065	ROC_int_01	2220.6349	Yeah.	2221.0907
2066	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2221.2660	with all the crinolines on there. I remember that skirt. I would wear it every Friday.	2225.8471
2068		2226.2561	And it had	2227.0404
2070		2227.1095	like a carousel	2228.4984
2072		2229.3106	around it.	2229.9592
2074		2230.6721	I couldn't dance, but I could twirl.	2232.5968
2075	ROC_int_01	2232.7741	[Mm-hm.]	2233.3169
2076	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2233.0970	[And it-]	2233.4710
2077		2234.2349	and the skirt would go out, you know. [It was-]	2236.7952
2078	ROC_int_01	2236.1982	[That sounds] [beautiful.]	2237.5772
2079	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2236.9790	[I was having] a ball.	2238.4479
2080		2239.1462	And the-	2239.5581
2082		2239.6921	we had, um,	2240.8027
2084		2241.9698	um,	2242.5074
2086		2243.4598	airmen come cause Sampson Air Force Base was close by.	2247.7239
2088		2248.6705	And then we had	2249.6930
2090		2249.8041	sailors, which you don't see anymore. Do you ever see sailors?	2253.3509
2091	ROC_int_01	2253.3752	Mm-mm.	2254.0697
2092	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2254.2807	They used to look so nice in they white	2256.3995
2094		2257.0423	suits and they little bib on the back and they little sporty hat.	2260.9398
2096		2261.4057	And they would come there every Friday, /it was either/	2263.7908
2098		2263.9004	airmen and the sailors and army.	2266.3724
2100		2267.0912	And I thought-	2267.7164
2102		2268.6030	as I got older, I went, where was the sailors coming from?	2271.8051
2104		2272.0681	We know where Sampson-	2273.5289
2106		2274.6040	uh,	2275.0210
2108		2275.1751	where the s-	2275.7010
2110		2276.1100	Air Force	2276.8171
2112		2277.4423	boys were coming from,	2278.7103
2114		2279.4816	but I couldn't remember where the sailors	2281.4683
2116		2281.8933	and the army	2282.6267
2118		2282.7580	guys came from.	2283.9735
2119	ROC_int_01	2284.1138	Hm.	2284.5495
2120	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2285.4285	It musta been something close by,	2287.4807
2122		2287.5766	you know. But	2288.4319
2124		2289.0907	even Sampson	2290.2768
2126		2291.2118	wasn't that close, but	2292.7110
2128		2292.7891	they would-	2293.2160
2130		2293.6075	they were here.	2294.4723
2132		2294.8404	They would come.	2295.5868
2134		2296.6094	So	2297.0827
2136		2297.4450	S- St. Simon'ss was up	2299.3590
2138		2299.4589	on	2299.9459
2140		2300.1329	Oregon Street near Central Avenue.	2302.4043
2142		2302.9536	You know [Central Avenue?]	2304.3151
2143	ROC_int_01	2303.3860	[Yeah.]	2303.7600
2145		2304.1047	[Mm-hm.]	2304.5780
2146	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2305.2091	That was also	2306.4187
2148		2306.8160	where all the hot dog stores-	2309.3037
2150		2309.8062	I mean, restaurants.	2311.0508
2152		2312.0442	And	2312.4766
2154		2313.5985	you know where the train station.	2315.0184
2155	ROC_int_01	2315.3807	Yeah.	2315.6845
2156	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2316.0394	You know where North Street.	2317.2782
2157	ROC_int_01	2317.7807	Mm-hm.	2318.2482
2158	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2318.5987	So Central Avenue	2320.2115
2160		2320.3400	from the train station	2321.8885
2162		2322.3910	all the way back	2323.3302
2164		2323.6984	to North Street	2324.7852
2166		2325.8019	was hot dog	2326.7076
2168		2327.1868	restaurants	2328.0282
2170		2328.3087	on both sides of the street.	2330.2997
2171	ROC_int_01	2330.8665	Wow.	2331.4508
2172	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2331.7371	So you could go to any one you wanted to,	2334.4835
2174		2334.9568	but most of us picked a favorite.	2336.9127
2176		2337.6022	My favorite was the VNS, and I don't know what that means.	2340.9913
2178		2341.2952	Probably back then I knew what it meant.	2343.1284
2180		2344.1802	Oh, the hot dogs was so good.	2345.8806
2181	ROC_int_01	2345.9916	Mm-hm.	2346.5701
2182	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2347.1427	And I had two friends, /RD-NAME-2/ and /RD-NAME-2/,	2349.7648
2184		2350.3725	and	2350.8282
2186		2351.1847	they would take turns	2352.5578
2188		2353.0545	going up there at night.	2354.5796
2190		2354.7257	And they'd come back with the hot dogs.	2356.6232
2192		2357.1316	And then when it was my turn, they'd both go with me	2360.0065
2194		2360.1876	<laugh> so I didn't have to go by myself. (laughing) <laugh>	2363.4641
2196		2363.7387	I was so funny. As I got older, we laughed about it. (laughing)	2367.0577
2198		2367.6479	But	2367.9084
2200		2367.9827	they- they would go on they own in the snow, whatever the weather was.	2372.1223
2202		2372.6598	But when it was my turn, they both go with me.	2375.1900
2204		2376.2885	So I'm tryna look at these notes. I'm glad I wrote 'em down.	2380.0734
2206		2380.9849	So	2381.5459
2208		2382.0075	oh, I said I skip my preteens years, I'm sorry.	2385.0444
2210		2385.5762	Oh, that was when I was going to the	2387.3233
2212		2388.8075	mission.	2389.3743
2214		2390.5823	Uh, then	2391.3419
2216		2391.9321	did you-	2392.6742
2218		2393.1767	how long you been here?	2394.2694
2219	ROC_int_01	2395.2043	As in how long	2396.3316
2221		2396.4178	a- [have I /been in/ Rochester?] All my [life.]	2398.8138
2222	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2396.7177	[In Rochester.]	2397.5693
2224		2398.7262	[Oh, so you know Smitty's.]	2400.4968
2225	ROC_int_01	2398.9019	[So I /unintelligible/]	2400.2046
2226		2400.9175	[Yes.]	2401.4667
2227	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2401.4177	[Okay.]	2401.8933
2228	ROC_int_01	2401.8115	[Well], I've heard stories about [it],	2403.5288
2229	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2403.4999	[Okay, he-] that was his last	2405.4196
2230	ROC_int_01	2403.8172	[but yeah.]	2404.3225
2231	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2405.4996	[place.]	2405.9899
2232	ROC_int_01	2405.9474	[Mm-hm.]	2406.3639
2233	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2406.3795	He started out on Ormond Street,	2408.6582
2235		2409.6458	and	2410.0898
2237		2411.0524	he had a restaurant	2412.3555
2239		2412.7470	downstairs. Like I /say/ everybody lived over something.	2416.0017
2241		2416.4925	My friend /RD-NAME-1/,	2417.3654
2243		2417.4367	that I say	2418.1796
2245		2418.3199	we grew up like sisters,	2419.7515
2247		2420.0320	she lived up over	2421.3467
2249		2422.2349	him.	2422.6088
2251		2423.4094	He-	2423.7943
2253		2423.8878	he made-	2424.6290
2255		2425.0848	he sold	2425.8260
2257		2425.9670	chicken sandwiches	2427.1650
2259		2427.8253	and	2428.2519
2261		2428.5323	coffee royal.	2429.5841
2263		2430.4314	Coffee royal	2431.4407
2265		2431.7855	was a cup of coffee	2433.1703
2267		2433.5268	with a shot of whiskey in it,	2434.9934
2269		2435.5661	which was illegal,	2436.8808
2270	ROC_int_01	2437.4944	/Yeah/.	2437.9544
2271	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2437.9979	but that's how he made his money.	2439.6314
2273		2440.7066	And he would have dances	2442.3485
2275		2442.4946	in the back	2443.2192
2277		2443.7568	of the restaurant	2444.7092
2279		2445.4264	every week	2446.0166
2281		2446.1334	for teenagers.	2447.3547
2283		2448.0909	And with me,	2449.1485
2285		2449.3355	he would send me to the store.	2451.0242
2287		2451.5135	If I was walking by, he would send me to store to get him a box of salt or a loaf of bread or something like that,	2457.4152
2289		2457.7366	and I'd go gladly	2458.8452
2291		2459.2543	cause I wanted to go that dance.	2460.9605
2293		2461.7143	And he'd always tell me I wasn't old enough.	2464.2912
2295		2465.2304	Then when I got old enough,	2466.8606
2297		2467.1995	he stopped having the [dances]	2469.0694
2298	ROC_int_01	2468.6370	[Oh], of [course. <laugh>]	2470.5244
2299	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2469.8991	[and moved] his	2470.9334
2300		2471.4009	restaurant	2472.2174
2302		2472.8309	somewhere else. Where did he go?	2474.8118
2304		2476.0633	<ts>	2476.1474
2306		2477.0673	I don't know where he went, but eventually he was up on Central Avenue	2481.4638
2308		2481.5255	up with th- all the hot dogs.	2483.2479
2310		2483.7153	But he was on the corner of North Street	2485.6086
2312		2486.1037	and Central Avenue.	2487.2957
2314		2488.0320	And from there	2488.8734
2316		2489.3525	he moved cross town	2491.0997
2318		2491.4035	on Clarissa Street,	2492.7517
2320		2494.0723	and	2494.5982
2322		2494.8495	from there	2495.9130
2324		2497.7770	he moved	2498.6944
2326		2499.7037	here.	2500.3990
2328		2500.9424	Where did he-	2501.7371
2330		2502.4033	he was somewhere	2503.6479
2332		2504.2439	around here. [Do you remember where he was]	2506.4285
2333	ROC_int_01	2505.0261	[In-]	2505.3775
2335		2505.5258	[yeah, in /?/]	2506.3175
2336	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2506.7557	on this side of town?	2508.0120
2338		2508.5204	Your parents might [remember.]	2510.1958
2339	ROC_int_01	2509.7459	[Yeah, I] was gonna say, I feel like my mom [talks about it a lot.]	2513.0357
2340	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2512.0598	[Yeah, and eventually]	2513.7018
2341		2513.9063	he moved to where-	2515.5541
2343		2516.1092	uh, [Thurston and-]	2517.4867
2344	ROC_int_01	2516.8859	[Brooks.]	2517.3974
2345	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2517.8431	and, uh, [Brooks.]	2519.0411
2346	ROC_int_01	2517.8681	[/?/]	2518.2078
2348		2518.3865	[Yeah.]	2518.7717
2349		2519.0517	Yeah.	2519.3681
2350	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2519.3759	That was his last spot.	2520.7063
2351	ROC_int_01	2520.8933	[Mm-hm.]	2521.4426
2352	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2521.3783	[His] wife,	2522.4126
2353		2522.6171	um,	2523.2530
2355		2524.6474	had a accident. She fell through the floor,	2526.9278
2357		2527.2609	broke her [hips],	2528.2309
2358	ROC_int_01	2527.9913	[Aw.]	2528.5406
2359	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2528.8736	and she never recovered.	2530.4393
2361		2530.5300	She was in, uh, the Episcopal home.	2533.0851
2363		2533.6986	She never recovered, and that affected him.	2536.3456
2365		2536.9517	And his health kind of went down too.	2539.2715
2367		2540.0253	So	2540.5845
2369		2540.7541	I think	2541.2699
2371		2541.8075	somebody moved him out to Arizona or something,	2545.0548
2373		2545.4989	and that's where he died.	2546.8837
2374	ROC_int_01	2547.2811	[Mm-hm.]	2547.6960
2375	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2547.5265	[But] he used to- he- he u-	2549.1743
2376		2549.6427	he used to t-	2550.2457
2378		2550.3657	when I go in his place,	2551.8022
2380		2552.6378	he'd say, oh,	2553.4995
2382		2553.5802	boy, who let that lady out?	2555.2264
2384		2555.5828	Somebody	2556.3132
2386		2556.9326	take that old lady home. She too old to be out.	2559.3209
2387	ROC_int_01	2559.4436	[<laugh>]	2560.3610
2388	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2559.5371	[you know, he'd always] say something funny about me (laughing)	2562.0673
2389		2562.3302	knowing he about fifty years older than me. (laughing)	2564.5316
2391		2565.0691	And- uh,	2565.7586
2393		2566.4715	and	2566.7380
2395		2566.8285	v- we would laugh about it.	2568.2713
2397		2569.0601	And he said sh-	2569.8302
2399		2569.9736	she used to be my paper boy.	2571.7581
2401		2572.1555	/Ops/, she used to be my paper girl.	2574.2766
2403		2574.8083	She too old to be out. [Somebody] take her home. You know, he would tease.	2579.1658
2404	ROC_int_01	2576.6621	[Mm.]	2576.9994
2405	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2579.6391	I wish I could remember where he was before he moved to Thurston.	2583.7703
2407		2584.7679	<ts>	2584.9082
2409		2585.5393	But	2585.8721
2411		2586.0665	I-	2586.3540
2413		2586.4856	that's-	2587.0118
2415		2587.5552	I- that's why I wrote this [stuff down.]	2589.2790
2416	ROC_int_01	2588.6829	[Was he around] the Plymouth-	2590.2898
2417		2590.5469	in the Plymouth [area?]	2591.4569
2418	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2591.2115	[Yes], he was. You [right.]	2593.0814
2419	ROC_int_01	2592.5964	[Was that it?]	2593.3618
2420	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2593.4203	He was on- in that plaza [there, wasn't] he?	2596.4237
2421	ROC_int_01	2595.4956	[Mm-hm.]	2596.1361
2422		2596.7509	That's what I'm thinking.	2597.6377
2424		2597.8577	[I don't remember, but I think my] [mom-]	2600.0274
2425	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2597.9592	[Oh no, he was in that-]	2599.3217
2427		2599.4937	[he was down] farther.	2600.8747
2428		2601.5993	Was he in the plaza or where that restaurant on the corner	2604.4450
2430		2604.7472	Columbia?	2605.4075
2431	ROC_int_01	2606.9794	I'm not quite sure, but I feel like I- [cause I remember my mom saying something about /Plymouth/.]	2611.5414
2432	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2608.7499	[Yeah, you're right. He was around Plymouth Avenue.]	2611.8277
2433		2612.2192	Mm-hm.	2612.9496
2435		2613.9839	Yeah.	2614.6150
2437		2615.0357	I can't remember though.	2616.2628
2439		2617.0165	You still don't want a drink or something?	2618.6745
2440	ROC_int_01	2618.8439	Oh, I'm [okay.]	2619.7515
2441	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2619.7109	[Okay.]	2620.0918
2442	ROC_int_01	2619.8643	[Are y-] do you need a drink? [/??/]	2621.7082
2443	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2621.0664	[Oh no, I'm fine.]	2622.0641
2444	ROC_int_01	2622.1000	Cool.	2622.4108
2446		2622.6335	[Thank-]	2622.8737
2447	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2622.6974	[I] talk all the time.	2624.0094
2448	ROC_int_01	2624.4518	[Okay.]	2624.7839
2449	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2624.6617	[<laugh>]	2625.2946
2450	ROC_int_01	2625.0345	[I love] it.	2625.4293
2451	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2625.4982	[<laugh>]	2626.1414
2452	ROC_int_01	2625.5672	[<laugh>]	2626.5446
2453	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2626.8134	Don't let me put you to sleep [now.]	2628.5812
2454	ROC_int_01	2628.5277	[No], [you won't.]	2629.5321
2455	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2628.9857	[<laugh>]	2629.4870
2456	ROC_int_01	2629.6307	[<laugh>]	2630.4028
2457	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2630.1387	[<laugh>]	2630.5782
2458		2631.3403	And, uh,	2631.9539
2460		2633.6835	as a teenager,	2634.9398
2462		2635.8673	she let me go	2637.0768
2464		2637.4450	cross town	2638.3039
2466		2638.7831	to	2639.2389
2468		2639.5369	Montgomery Center,	2640.5711
2470		2641.6404	which was on Clarissa Street	2643.1873
2471	ROC_int_01	2643.5905	[Okay.]	2643.9762
2472	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2643.8243	[across] the street	2644.8760
2473		2645.0689	from Latimer's Funeral Home.	2646.9504
2475		2647.6925	Cab Calloway's house was right behind Latimer's	2651.1524
2477		2651.2454	on,	2651.7228
2479		2653.4057	uh,	2653.9724
2481		2654.4048	the Favor Street.	2655.5852
2483		2656.4192	I forgot the street.	2657.5061
2485		2658.4877	But at- um,	2659.6622
2487		2660.3400	<ts>	2660.4920
2489		2661.2808	at Montgomery Center,	2662.5424
2491		2662.6384	it was just about the same as at	2664.5047
2493		2664.8612	Baden Street Settlement	2666.0766
2494	ROC_int_01	2666.3350	[Okay.]	2666.7921
2495	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2666.7252	[except],	2667.2409
2496		2667.4617	uh,	2667.9114
2498		2669.3122	you saw Mrs. Brandon, Julia Brandon.	2672.1345
2500		2672.5084	She like	2673.1570
2502		2674.1913	ran Montgomery Center.	2675.9735
2504		2676.4861	She didn't play.	2677.5788
2506		2678.1515	You come in there, and you behaved.	2679.7116
2507	ROC_int_01	2679.9746	[Mm-hm.]	2680.5764
2508	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2680.4654	[She] was a social worker, but she	2682.5573
2509		2683.4147	was sort of like	2684.3438
2511		2684.8229	acting as the director. But they had another director, but I don't-	2688.3990
2513		2688.9541	I think he was more in the background.	2690.8224
2515		2691.2957	But somebody on this side of town might remember better than I do	2694.7917
2517		2695.0799	cause I lived on the other side.	2696.7284
2519		2697.4705	But	2697.7743
2521		2698.0490	I was over here so much people thought I lived over here. N-	2701.3387
2523		2701.8997	and what we would do-	2703.1560
2525		2704.5568	the wonder bread	2705.4800
2527		2706.5844	place was right next to	2708.2063
2529		2708.2942	Montgomery Center.	2709.2898
2531		2710.7140	And the t- f-	2711.4035
2533		2711.7015	trolley	2712.3560
2535		2712.8468	would cross	2713.7876
2537		2714.2551	Clarissa Street	2715.2250
2539		2715.4412	right at West Main,	2716.8027
2541		2717.5374	um,	2718.1276
2543		2719.4891	near Ni- Nick Tahou	2721.1894
2545		2722.6035	but on the other side of the bridge.	2724.7756
2547		2725.8391	So	2726.3241
2549		2728.1297	it's the open door misison.	2729.5847
2551		2729.9820	You know that block?	2731.1140
2552	ROC_int_01	2732.0277	[Yes.]	2732.5747
2553	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2732.5449	[Okay], so that's where, um,	2734.9320
2554		2735.3112	<ts>	2735.3917
2556		2735.6192	Clarissa Street	2736.5015
2558		2736.8346	would start.	2737.5634
2560		2738.2529	So we would walk.	2739.6027
2562		2740.2397	We get on the right side of the street,	2742.0628
2564		2742.6179	and we walk from there down to Bronson,	2745.3977
2565	ROC_int_01	2746.2138	Wow.	2746.5325
2566	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2746.6014	and then	2747.1448
2568		2747.9337	it was l-	2748.3488
2570		2748.4489	LaRue's Restaurant	2749.9963
2572		2750.2710	and Bar was on the corner.	2752.0049
2574		2752.7528	So the restaurant	2753.8397
2576		2754.4181	was on this side,	2755.8848
2578		2756.0893	and the bar was on this side.	2757.8466
2580		2758.4367	They were attached. It was one building,	2760.4527
2582		2761.4168	but we wasn't old enough to go in the bar,	2763.2983
2584		2763.6606	so we go in the restaurant	2765.6282
2586		2766.4171	and come out	2767.1820
2588		2767.3548	on Bronson,	2768.2811
2590		2768.7991	cross the street,	2769.7945
2592		2770.3379	and go back down Clarissa	2772.1653
2594		2772.7438	to	2773.2054
2596		2774.3098	Main Street.	2774.9584
2597	ROC_int_01	2775.0636	Mm-hm.	2775.5544
2598	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2776.6003	And we'd do that,	2777.4242
2600		2777.8200	w-	2777.9310
2602		2778.0771	didn't seem like we got tired or anything.	2780.6657
2604		2781.1390	And it's funny cause when they had a Clarissa reunion,	2784.0431
2606		2784.3469	some of us	2785.1985
2608		2785.7419	talk about tha-	2786.5892
2610		2787.2904	it wasn't that exciting.	2788.9207
2612		2789.3940	It's just	2789.8790
2614		2790.2062	we didn't do anything exciting. We just walked up and down the street all day or all night. [<laugh>]	2795.6622
2615	ROC_int_01	2795.2590	[Mm-hm.]	2795.8200
2616	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2796.0479	And it was fun. <laugh>	2797.4211
2617	ROC_int_01	2797.6322	[Yeah.]	2798.0973
2618	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2797.8301	[And then] I had to walk home	2799.5406
2619		2800.1132	cross town	2801.0423
2620	ROC_int_01	2801.5831	Wow.	2802.0249
2621	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2802.0532	sometime by myself	2803.4965
2623		2803.8821	and never had any kind of fear.	2805.9316
2624	ROC_int_01	2806.4112	Mm.	2806.6985
2625	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2806.7116	And nobody ever bothered me.	2808.2513
2627		2809.2681	They didn't do that back then. They didn't bother	2811.5177
2629		2812.1531	young people back then.	2813.4269
2631		2814.1047	And it was- it was a good time to grow up	2816.5647
2632	ROC_int_01	2816.8160	Mm-hm.	2817.2835
2633	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2817.3185	except I did a lot of walking. I think about that now.	2820.4197
2635		2821.0742	And another hot spot for us was, uh, the Gibson Hotel,	2825.1294
2637		2826.5594	and it was on Clarissa Street	2828.1831
2639		2829.6213	between	2830.5621
2641		2831.1873	Atkinson Street	2832.4436
2643		2833.0147	and Bronson.	2834.0256
2645		2835.1183	And they had, uh,	2836.7076
2647		2837.2803	teenage dances there on the weekend,	2839.6628
2649		2840.6027	but I couldn't go. I wasn't old enough.	2842.7305
2651		2843.5953	Then when I was old enough,	2845.1438
2653		2846.2699	they tore it down cause	2847.7015
2655		2848.4495	it	2848.6540
2657		2849.0104	caught on fire.	2849.9570
2659		2850.7809	So that was my s- that was my story /that/	2853.0530
2661		2854.0282	I'm not old enough for some things. When I'm old enough, it-	2856.8914
2663		2857.2187	it's gone.	2857.8638
2665		2857.9428	It's no more. [<laugh>]	2859.7371
2666	ROC_int_01	2858.7504	[Mm-hm.]	2859.2714
2667	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2860.3783	So	2861.0737
2669		2861.4652	let's see.	2862.2657
2671		2862.9648	<ts>	2863.0787
2673		2863.3408	Uh, let's see.	2864.3167
2674	ROC_int_01	2865.2341	/Kay/.	2865.5613
2675	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2865.6723	I already said that. I already- I'm'a give this to you.	2868.5807
2676	ROC_int_01	2868.9021	[Okay, thanks.]	2869.7669
2677	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2869.2702	[Okay?]	2869.8428
2678		2870.7135	And the Elk's	2871.5958
2680		2871.9990	on Clarissa Street was another-	2874.1653
2682		2874.8081	you know the Elk's	2875.8657
2683	ROC_int_01	2875.0827	[Right down the street] from my house. I live on	2877.4434
2684		2877.5406	/RD-ADDRESS-1/ and	2878.0098
2686		2878.0810	/RD-ADDRESS-1/	2878.4107
2688		2878.4896	[Yeah.]	2878.8245
2689	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2878.7581	[Okay.]	2879.5645
2690	ROC_int_01	2878.9117	[So.]	2879.3097
2691		2879.6365	Yeah.	2880.1205
2692	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2880.1512	Well I used to have to go over there every Monday	2883.0104
2694		2883.3318	after school,	2884.2258
2696		2884.8335	and my mother would give me	2886.2242
2698		2886.6917	bus fare.	2887.4439
2700		2888.2912	And I'd have to leave school	2890.0091
2702		2890.7629	and go over to the Elk's	2892.2003
2704		2892.7087	and get my bicycle	2893.9810
2706		2894.6646	cause my mother would go over there on the weekends	2897.0487
2708		2897.2298	and get too drunlk	2898.1881
2710		2898.7958	to ride the bicycle back home.	2900.9112
2711	ROC_int_01	2900.9853	[Mm-hm.]	2901.4196
2712	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2901.3436	[So] that was a treat for me	2902.9547
2713		2903.5215	to go over there on the bus, and I could stay over there	2906.1451
2715		2906.6710	and then ride my bike home. I didn't have to walk home. [<laugh>]	2910.2689
2716	ROC_int_01	2909.5504	[Mm-hm.]	2910.2058
2717	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2910.8999	And I think she l- she probably	2912.8925
2719		2913.1613	realized that I enjoyed doing that, you know, t-	2916.0589
2721		2916.2179	that she gave me bus fare.	2917.6065
2723		2918.5998	And	2918.9796
2725		2919.5347	aft- I think about it sometimes and I said,	2922.1885
2727		2922.7027	what'd I do for food?	2924.0450
2729		2924.5709	You know, I don't know what I did for food.	2926.6979
2731		2927.0017	I don't know if she gave me	2928.2405
2733		2928.7606	money for a hot dog or something. I don't know	2931.4586
2734	ROC_int_01	2931.7233	[Mm.]	2932.1048
2735	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2931.7284	[I don't know.]	2932.3000
2736	ROC_int_01	2932.6623	Now, was the ek-	2933.5274
2738		2933.6069	Elk's next door to the Pythodd?	2935.8961
2739	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2935.9547	[Mm-hm.]	2936.3385
2740	ROC_int_01	2936.2253	[Or-] [Okay.]	2936.9759
2741	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2936.5962	[Mm-hm.]	2937.0903
2742		2937.6626	Yeah, I went to the Pythodd, but I was an adult then.	2940.3563
2743	ROC_int_01	2940.3972	Okay.	2940.8705
2744	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2941.0491	I was an adult.	2942.1268
2746		2942.9040	And I already talked about the parish house, didn't /I/?	2945.2514
2748		2946.0987	Yeah, I talked about that	2947.3024
2750		2947.6705	I didn't talk about the train station	2949.8501
2752		2950.9354	Uh,	2951.3835
2754		2951.5524	the train station was	2953.0463
2756		2953.1352	huge.	2953.9154
2758		2954.2660	You ever be-	2955.0015
2760		2955.0869	been to, um,	2956.2001
2762		2958.2203	the Grand Central?	2959.2780
2764		2960.5693	It look like Grand Central	2961.9536
2766		2962.1642	in Rochester.	2963.2280
2768		2964.4010	And we would	2965.2073
2770		2965.6806	play there,	2966.5104
2772		2967.1181	and they had, um,	2968.5088
2774		2969.7125	a wall.	2970.4764
2776		2971.8320	I-	2972.3462
2778		2972.8020	it might still be there.	2974.2628
2780		2974.5316	When I was a kid, it seemed like it was the biggest wall in the world.	2978.4801
2782		2979.6546	But we would	2980.6081
2784		2980.8123	d-	2980.9099
2786		2981.0570	do a dangerous thing.	2982.6405
2788		2983.3826	We would see who could jump up on that	2985.5840
2790		2986.0573	and walk across it without falling off. If we had fell off, we woulda died.	2990.5683
2791	ROC_int_01	2990.7407	Mm.	2991.2109
2792	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2991.2011	It was up so high. It was at least	2992.9061
2793		2993.2816	two stories	2994.1825
2794	ROC_int_01	2994.3293	Wow.	2994.8331
2795	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	2994.8564	tall and that was not the station itself.	2997.4523
2797		2997.9728	That was a wall	2999.0547
2799		2999.3250	along side of it.	3000.5461
2800	ROC_int_01	3000.8131	Mm-hm.	3001.4604
2801	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3001.5037	I'm sorry [about that.]	3002.8450
2802	ROC_int_01	3002.2144	[<laugh>]	3002.8784
2803		3003.3022	[It's okay.]	3003.8293
2804	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3003.3322	[Get down] boy cat.	3004.3065
2805		3004.5867	Get down.	3004.9946
2807		3006.6262	Get down.	3007.0572
2809		3007.7540	He's a- he's fourteen years old.	3009.8046
2811		3010.2431	So he's kind of	3011.2649
2813		3011.7520	set when somebody come, he jumps on the table.	3014.5181
2814	ROC_int_01	3014.5314	Mm-hm.	3015.1720
2815	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3015.1153	I can't break him.	3016.0963
2816	ROC_int_01	3016.2864	<laugh>	3016.6377
2817	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3016.5944	Too old now <laugh>.	3017.7169
2818		3018.9365	Um,	3019.5905
2820		3021.4356	the movies,	3022.2698
2822		3022.8378	they were all over Rochester back then.	3025.3069
2824		3026.1877	I mean,	3026.6615
2826		3026.9752	you didn't know where to go.	3028.3713
2828		3029.1248	So,	3029.5051
2830		3030.5295	we black people had our favorites.	3032.4647
2832		3033.2121	One was called the Strand,	3035.1615
2834		3035.8321	and it was on St. Paul Street.	3037.6906
2836		3038.6749	And that's where the	3039.5257
2838		3039.9194	kids from across town used to go.	3042.3326
2840		3042.9499	And the other one was the Grand,	3044.9718
2842		3045.1920	and it was on	3046.0963
2844		3046.3332	Plymouth.	3046.8737
2846		3047.5118	That's North Plymouth.	3048.5795
2848		3049.1768	Down off Maine Street.	3050.3012
2849	ROC_int_01	3050.7216	[Mm-hm.]	3051.1526
2850	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3050.9652	[North] Plymouth.	3051.7759
2851		3052.5567	And	3053.0146
2853		3053.4150	sometimes	3054.3660
2855		3055.0099	we would go to	3056.3345
2857		3057.3689	the capital	3058.2764
2859		3059.0514	which was on West Main.	3060.4025
2861		3061.0312	So we had choices that we liked to go.	3063.5378
2863		3063.9548	But my favorite	3064.9191
2865		3065.4830	was the RKO Palace.	3067.4416
2867		3068.2190	Cause it was like walking into a palace.	3070.9706
2869		3071.4987	Beautiful long drapes, velvety drapes, and	3074.9529
2871		3075.2532	chandeliers and carpeted floors.	3078.0359
2873		3078.4397	And you had a long-	3079.5307
2875		3080.2848	look at that-	3080.9429
2877		3081.0764	You so [embarrassing.]	3082.2976
2878	ROC_int_01	3082.2308	[<laugh>]	3083.1351
2879	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3083.1217	We had a long walk	3084.5316
2880		3084.7600	before you get to the concession stand.	3087.2068
2882		3087.6770	And then you	3088.4777
2884		3088.8548	could go in and find a seat.	3090.7109
2886		3091.6727	And I liked cause I could sit upstairs or I could sit downstairs.	3095.9844
2887	ROC_int_01	3096.3548	[Mm-hm.]	3096.7852
2888	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3096.3648	[I was in] New York state.	3097.7728
2889		3098.8294	And that was-	3099.7136
2891		3100.0047	that was really nice.	3101.2660
2893		3101.9299	<ts>	3101.9766
2895		3102.0767	My grandmother and I	3103.9686
2897		3104.1721	came up here	3105.2634
2899		3106.5386	yeah they had the RKO Palace, the RKO Temple,	3109.9737
2901		3110.8962	The RKO?	3112.2149
2903		3113.3327	The other one was on East Avenue.	3115.6445
2905		3117.2306	Oh it was so many movies.	3118.9723
2907		3119.9700	Um,	3120.5305
2909		3120.9309	I lost my train of thought.	3122.4791
2910	ROC_int_01	3128.0620	I	3128.4457
2912		3128.5658	think you were talking about	3130.3617
2914		3131.3460	your favorite movie [theaters.]	3133.5515
2915	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3133.2112	[Oh], yeah the-	3134.0720
2916	ROC_int_01	3134.1988	[Yeah.]	3134.5058
2917	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3134.4090	[Yeah.]	3134.8728
2918		3135.5827	And at the movie when you went then	3137.6463
2920		3139.0110	you got a choice of	3140.8468
2922		3141.4967	you- you always had two full length	3143.6430
2924		3143.7898	movies.	3144.4211
2926		3145.1278	And you had	3145.9252
2928		3146.0720	I don't know how many cartoons,	3147.9572
2930		3148.5920	then you had the coming attractions.	3150.8875
2932		3151.4581	You had	3152.1454
2934		3152.4357	uh,	3152.9662
2936		3153.3066	what they call serials,	3154.8389
2938		3155.1325	which was chapters.	3156.4880
2940		3157.5115	And-	3158.0086
2942		3158.3823	and you always had a western.	3160.0448
2944		3160.5453	You got all of that for your money.	3162.7908
2945	ROC_int_01	3163.3179	Wow.	3163.9419
2946	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3164.1721	Every week.	3165.1197
2948		3165.6402	And movies would change	3167.2526
2950		3167.5963	frequently.	3168.4204
2952		3169.2179	They didn't stay there for weeks like they do here, like they do now.	3172.8721
2954		3173.1725	They would change maybe weekly.	3174.9810
2955	ROC_int_01	3175.0777	Mm.	3175.3480
2956	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3175.7417	And my favorite western	3177.4000
2958		3177.6769	was Lash LaRue.	3178.9991
2960		3179.6463	He was a little short man and he used a whip.	3182.2422
2962		3182.5758	And he rode a donkey.	3183.7378
2964		3183.9313	[<laugh>]	3185.5329
2965	ROC_int_01	3184.2083	[<laugh>]	3185.0457
2966	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3185.8465	But he was supposed to be a real cowboy.	3188.1512
2968		3188.8127	And my other favorite was Johnny Mack Brown.	3191.7675
2970		3193.4114	And my	3193.9853
2972		3194.9262	special favorite was Roy Rogers	3197.6763
2974		3197.7898	and Dale Evans. You ever hear of them?	3199.6605
2975	ROC_int_01	3199.7550	They sound familiar, my mom [watched westerns]	3202.0805
2976	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3201.1330	[Well when they got] married	3203.0057
2977		3204.8141	I didn't talk to my mother- I was so hurt for so long	3209.1125
2979		3209.4461	cause she wouldn't let me go to they wedding.	3211.5348
2980	ROC_int_01	3211.9452	Aw.	3212.6092
2981	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3212.9295	In Hollywood (laughing). [<laugh>]	3216.2736
2982	ROC_int_01	3214.1981	[<laugh>]	3215.9798
2983	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3216.7641	And it may not even been in Hollywood. I was just assuming it was Hollywood cause that's where they mee- made movies.	3222.5272
2985		3223.2317	My mother would not let me go to their wedding.	3225.5871
2987		3226.6358	And I understand now cause	3228.3342
2989		3228.5577	you know, I've understood that a long time.	3230.8032
2991		3231.0068	They didn't know me I didn't know them.	3232.7460
2992	ROC_int_01	3232.8761	Mm-hm.	3233.2549
2993	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3233.2064	Roy Rogers and Dale Evans, they got married, I was so hurt.	3236.7232
2994		3237.0201	I couldn't go to they wedding. (laughing)	3238.9628
2996		3240.1006	That's how crazy I was back [then. I] was sincere. I wanted to go to that wedding.	3244.8177
2997	ROC_int_01	3241.9824	[<laugh>]	3242.4095
2998	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3244.8861	<laugh>	3245.3132
3000		3246.0072	So she bought me a movie magazine that had pictures in it.	3249.6251
3002		3250.7186	So I wish I'd have saved that.	3252.7906
3003	ROC_int_01	3252.7839	<laugh>	3253.0375
3004	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3254.1086	So let's see, oh the bridges.	3256.3798
3006		3256.8187	Over on this side of town,	3258.4102
3008		3259.6915	they had a lot of bridges in the neighborhood.	3262.2065
3009	ROC_int_01	3262.5217	Hm?	3262.8054
3010	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3262.8054	On the other side,	3263.9954
3011		3264.6672	they were mostly in white neighborhoods.	3266.8001
3013		3266.8668	The bridges that crossed	3268.3382
3015		3268.4517	s-	3268.7253
3017		3269.0923	streets	3269.7696
3019		3270.3836	and the-	3270.7539
3021		3271.4212	my favorite bridge,	3272.6858
3023		3273.2412	was over Bronson Avenue.	3275.1163
3025		3275.3666	Which, you know, now is called McCree.	3277.2885
3026	ROC_int_01	3277.7156	Yeah.	3278.0654
3027	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3278.1117	Okay.	3278.5855
3028	ROC_int_01	3278.6465	Mm-hm.	3279.0180
3029	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3279.9014	W- we didn't do bad things, but we'd go up under the bridge.	3283.3118
3031		3283.8619	and every- any,	3284.8871
3033		3285.0839	you know,	3285.5544
3035		3285.6178	kids would just congregate under the bridge, we had no where else to go.	3289.0444
3037		3289.8059	We didn't have family rooms and	3291.6810
3039		3291.9913	patios and stuff like that.	3293.9332
3041		3294.4237	And people lived in apartments,	3296.2596
3043		3296.7801	and if	3297.3140
3045		3297.4208	your parents sitting there,	3298.8255
3047		3299.3526	you can't bring your company in there. You wanna talk or something, you couldn't go in your bedroom.	3304.0247
3049		3304.5485	You got to sit there with your parents, so	3306.5638
3051		3307.1077	we would all go under the bridges.	3309.0437
3053		3309.7144	And	3310.1381
3055		3311.0323	certain kids had certain bridges they liked to be under.	3314.2229
3057		3314.8168	And we had boys that go from bridge to bridge,	3317.8965
3059		3318.1134	telling	3318.6105
3061		3318.8508	dirty jokes.	3319.7959
3063		3320.1796	<laugh>	3321.8111
3065		3322.4751	And we would laugh and	3323.8732
3067		3324.2702	somebody might have a	3325.7458
3069		3325.8392	a k- a bottle of	3327.1705
3071		3327.6610	Pepsi or Coke or something and we'd share it.	3330.6606
3073		3330.8243	And bag of peanuts and stuff like that.	3333.1065
3075		3333.4536	It was just fun.	3334.4545
3076	ROC_int_01	3334.7415	[Mm-hm.]	3335.1522
3077	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3335.0484	[We] had nothing else to do.	3336.2738
3078		3336.8043	So that's-	3337.1546
3080		3337.2447	that's what we did.	3338.1957
3082		3338.6328	And when it was time to go home, I'd start walking and walk all the way over	3342.7009
3084		3343.1013	across town.	3343.9721
3086		3344.9030	<ts>	3344.9531
3088		3345.7872	So um,	3347.0484
3090		3348.6875	then over here	3349.8720
3092		3350.9230	o- on my side of town,	3352.5213
3094		3352.8449	they had what they called jukes.	3354.4306
3096		3355.0279	You know what that is?	3355.9020
3097	ROC_int_01	3355.9287	Mm-mm.	3356.3458
3098	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3356.8229	It's a place where they have a big juke box	3359.4989
3100		3360.2471	and	3360.6508
3102		3361.2814	you know what a juke box [is?]	3362.8063
3103	ROC_int_01	3362.6995	[Mm-hm],	3363.0550
3104		3363.2167	yeah.	3363.5169
3105	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3363.6170	So that's what	3364.5346
3107		3365.1585	we would do. You punch	3366.5841
3109		3366.8243	your-	3367.1246
3111		3367.5584	the-	3367.7319
3113		3368.0489	the songs you wanna hear,	3369.5001
3115		3370.2577	and everybody would dance.	3371.9093
3117		3372.4273	And ju-	3372.7676
3119		3373.2581	just sit around	3374.4326
3121		3374.7462	and talk.	3375.3801
3123		3376.1876	And	3376.6247
3125		3377.7266	they had one next door to my house then-	3380.3725
3127		3380.6861	his name was Georgia Boy.	3382.3159
3129		3383.3020	Big old man named Georgia Boy. He didn't play with no-	3386.2991
3131		3386.6394	you didn't in here in his place acting up either.	3389.6711
3133		3390.2171	And the other one name was Bop.	3391.9788
3135		3392.3391	It was Bop's Blue Heaven.	3393.9040
3137		3393.9974	<laugh>	3395.0851
3138	ROC_int_01	3395.1781	<laugh>	3395.5552
3139	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3395.5184	He sold	3396.3759
3140		3396.5361	records.	3397.2435
3142		3397.8707	But I think he sold something else, but.	3399.9127
3143	ROC_int_01	3400.2397	Mm.	3400.5503
3144	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3400.5433	But we didn't	3401.2474
3145		3401.8621	it did- it wasn't our business, so.	3403.6205
3147		3404.3445	But we think Bop sold something else.	3406.8336
3149		3407.7944	And	3408.3917
3151		3409.2592	that was a lot of fun too.	3410.8904
3153		3411.3646	And then we had one friend, his name was /RD-NAME-2/	3414.1114
3155		3414.9289	/RD-NAME-2/, he went	3416.1997
3157		3416.3498	to the war,	3417.5616
3159		3418.6587	and he came back	3420.0276
3161		3420.5914	and he was smoking reefer.	3422.3431
3163		3423.0772	And we were scared of him.	3424.3851
3165		3424.5553	Everybody was scared of him.	3426.0142
3167		3426.3712	So he was like ostracized, nobody had anything to do with him.	3430.1049
3168	ROC_int_01	3430.2951	Hm.	3430.6287
3169	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3430.9891	And he	3431.8528
3171		3432.0539	kept doing what he was doing til he died.	3434.5267
3173		3435.1573	So that was kind of scary	3437.0599
3175		3437.2760	to have somebody using	3438.7664
3177		3439.1120	drugs.	3439.7905
3179		3440.3698	Boy if we could have that today.	3442.2850
3181		3442.3518	<laugh>	3443.2460
3183		3443.5738	Wouldn't that be something?	3444.7016
3184	ROC_int_01	3444.9118	Mm-hm.	3445.5090
3185	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3445.6992	But,	3445.9661
3187		3446.4232	that's the way it was back then, we were scared of 'em.	3449.1492
3189		3450.2298	So, um,	3451.2617
3191		3451.6679	<ts> and another thing, um,	3453.4129
3193		3454.7350	we were more accepting of people	3457.2308
3195		3457.6812	same sex	3458.6129
3197		3459.0693	being	3459.6398
3199		3460.2379	in love or caring about each other [too.]	3462.3866
3200	ROC_int_01	3462.2332	[Really?]	3462.9972
3201	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3462.9972	That wasn't a issue	3464.3886
3202		3464.8090	back then. I don't know how that got started.	3467.3256
3204		3468.0697	Um,	3468.6035
3206		3469.5244	and we had two of 'em that come to our house and borrow my mother's clothes, her fur coats and all these	3475.6846
3208		3476.1193	nice clothes my mother had.	3477.7209
3210		3478.7839	One name was Sue,	3480.0146
3212		3480.6424	And the other one name was Manny.	3482.4016
3214		3482.9521	And I remember them as if it was last week.	3485.8750
3216		3486.3454	And Sue was a little lady, little one, and	3488.9588
3218		3489.1023	this- she'd always walk like this.	3491.4736
3220		3492.1186	And she lived on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ up over the police precinct.	3496.1466
3221	ROC_int_01	3496.4903	Mm.	3496.8273
3222	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3497.1910	And Manny would visit her, so they-	3499.6502
3224		3499.8544	They may have been a couple or	3501.6728
3226		3501.8463	they just-	3502.3969
3228		3502.8006	I don't know what they did.	3503.8750
3229	ROC_int_01	3504.2854	Mm-hm.	3504.7658
3230	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3504.7058	But,	3504.9794
3231		3505.8310	that wasn't a issue back then.	3507.6016
3233		3508.3135	And we had police stations	3510.1186
3235		3510.9727	everywhere.	3511.6461
3237		3513.2391	Everywhere.	3513.9498
3239		3514.1975	We had one on Bronson.	3515.6894
3241		3516.2395	We had 'em on um,	3517.8811
3243		3518.5217	Jefferson.	3519.3292
3245		3519.9698	Thurston.	3520.7606
3247		3521.1051	They were everywhere.	3522.1369
3249		3522.6666	Just like	3523.1904
3251		3524.2433	see neighborhoods had movies.	3526.2526
3253		3527.0101	My-	3527.3138
3255		3527.4406	my g- nephew,	3528.4882
3257		3529.0521	/RD-NAME-2/'s brother,	3530.0998
3259		3530.5636	his church is on	3532.1360
3261		3532.4096	/RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street.	3533.1636
3263		3533.6408	And that used to be the World Theater.	3535.8696
3265		3536.1198	That was the name of it.	3537.1475
3266	ROC_int_01	3537.1842	[Oh.]	3537.5913
3267	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3537.2609	[The World.]	3537.9683
3268		3539.6107	They had	3540.3214
3270		3541.1189	movies on Jeff- Joseph Avenue,	3543.7543
3272		3543.9157	Clinton Avenue,	3545.0235
3274		3545.9177	Jefferson Avenue. I used to live across from one on	3549.1075
3276		3549.3811	Jefferson Avenue.	3550.5574
3278		3551.2837	That-	3551.5807
3280		3551.7509	when it closed, it-	3552.8953
3282		3553.1289	it-	3553.3624
3284		3553.4692	it was a vending company.	3554.9015
3286		3555.4798	There was a movie theater right there on	3557.8264
3288		3558.7371	uh,	3559.4378
3290		3559.7681	Jefferson and	3561.2729
3292		3563.8687	Bronson.	3564.5226
3294		3565.2233	It's a church now.	3566.4445
3295	ROC_int_01	3566.5846	Mm-hm.	3567.1796
3296	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3567.2519	Uh, it's been a church a long time.	3569.1413
3298		3569.4249	You know where Gladys sell	3570.8796
3300		3571.3201	chicken sandwiches [and pies]	3573.0651
3301	ROC_int_01	3572.3803	[Mm-hm.]	3572.7840
3302	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3573.3787	next door?	3574.2029
3304		3575.2206	That big brick? That was a movie-	3576.9356
3306		3577.1691	[movie theater.]	3577.9732
3307	ROC_int_01	3577.3159	[Oh wow.]	3578.1663
3308	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3578.4203	[Mm-hm.]	3578.9141
3309	ROC_int_01	3578.6606	[Man], you guys had a lot of them.	3580.1787
3310	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3580.2329	Oh yeah, they was everywhere. And you didn't- you didn't have a car that's okay.	3584.3240
3312		3584.6072	you could still go to the movie.	3586.0352
3313	ROC_int_01	3586.0219	Mm.	3586.3489
3314	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3586.8268	It wouldn't be the movie that you'd see downtown this week.	3590.2235
3316		3590.7139	But it would be a	3591.8117
3318		3592.1654	a movie	3592.7960
3320		3593.5142	and you'd get the same	3594.6720
3322		3594.9889	quality.	3595.6062
3324		3596.1100	You'd get the movie, the-	3597.5147
3326		3598.1921	the western, the m-	3599.3490
3328		3599.6468	the movie, the cartoons, coming attraction, the chapters.	3603.8209
3330		3604.6250	Now they call them chapters, we used to call them serials.	3607.5687
3332		3608.2627	So.	3608.7365
3334		3609.1502	I know the meaning of the word t-	3610.7485
3336		3610.8319	<laugh>	3611.3198
3337	ROC_int_01	3611.2331	[/???/.]	3611.7345
3338	ROC_se0_ag3_f_02	3611.4600	[Didn't] know back then. <laugh>	3613.4308
3339		3614.6464	So.	3615.1736
3341		3616.3814	I don't know what else to tell you.	3618.0920