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1VLD_int_010.5519So1.0076
3 1.4239tell me about- we'll start there. Tell me about,4.0995 
5 4.9761um, when you were younger6.7797 
6VLD_se0_ag2_f_016.9383[Mm-hm.]7.4036
7VLD_int_016.9383[and]7.6601
8 7.8559maybe the first house you remember growing up in.10.2993
9VLD_se0_ag2_f_0110.4485<ts>10.7469
11 10.8822Um,11.5257 
13 12.9376<ts> wow.13.6557 
15 14.1080Um,14.7581 
17 15.2597<ts>15.4323 
19 15.9956the first house I remember growing up in was,18.4343 
21 18.6814um,19.2782 
23 19.9208on Brookwood,21.0455 
25 21.4036but I remember22.9009 
27 23.2958going back and forth to Brookwood to West Magnolia25.9487 
29 26.2559all the time.27.5662 
31 28.0022And during that time, I believe my aunt was living on West Magnolia.31.2862 
33 31.7470Like, I have good and bad stories33.8719 
34VLD_int_0133.9339[<laugh>]34.8665
35VLD_se0_ag2_f_0134.0411[<laugh>]34.3256
37 34.5400[from West] Magnolia, oh my goodness.36.5218 
38 36.8426All the whoopings I used to get <laugh>39.1368
39VLD_int_0138.7964[Mm-hm.]39.6963
40VLD_se0_ag2_f_0139.2347[All the scabs.]40.7548
41 40.9162So I- I can't say I had-42.5955
43 43.2243it was- it was still fun growing up.44.9263 
44VLD_int_0145.0475Oh, I forgot [about Brookwood.]46.4510
45VLD_se0_ag2_f_0145.5651[But-]46.0048
46 46.8427yeah.47.4421
47VLD_int_0147.7091Um,48.2896
49 48.4412oh.48.7300 
51 48.9075Click your f- don't- yeah, if you- no, no. Keep it-50.9587 
52VLD_se0_ag2_f_0150.9676Oh.51.2893
54 51.3872[Sorry, yeah. (whispered)]52.1210 
55VLD_int_0151.3872[But if you wanna] do 'em- that- yep, [cause it's on the cord, and your fingernail-]54.2945
56VLD_se0_ag2_f_0153.0557[Yeah, I keep forgetting about that. <laugh>]55.7383
57VLD_int_0154.8975[Yep, your fingernail.]55.9653
58 56.4875Um,57.0869
60 57.9135okay. So59.2377 
62 60.0211when you were- when you were born,61.5972 
64 63.0175y'all had still lived in- then y'all moved over to Brookwood, [right?] Or like, when you were younger.67.0883 
65VLD_se0_ag2_f_0165.5113[Mm-hmm.]65.9147
66 67.2459<ts>67.3904
68 67.5024From- at-68.1424 
70 68.2531probably. Some of that stuff I don't [remember.]70.4778 
71VLD_int_0169.7229[/Mm-hm/.]70.2022
72 70.6358Okay, so what do you remember-71.9825
74 72.0711tell me a story about, like, how you-73.7544 
76 73.8626whatchu do remember when you were growing up. So tell me either about- either the house you remember, or.77.8522 
77VLD_se0_ag2_f_0178.3595Um. <exhale>79.4087
79 82.0563I can say Claudia Circle-83.9028 
81 84.1249I forgot about Claudia Circle,85.3949 
83 85.6561now that's where I actually87.3142 
85 87.7022remember88.7180 
87 88.8996growing up, having birthday parties,91.0399 
89 91.4642hanging out with friends, having sleepovers.94.2471 
91 94.5362On Claudia Circle.95.6739 
93 96.1868And96.9087 
95 97.6781I remember back then99.5760 
97 99.7055the neighborhood, it was pretty-101.2583 
99 102.1768I wouldn't say it was like ghetto, but104.1639 
101 104.6193it was a lot of black people that was living in that [neighborhood.]107.6875 
102VLD_int_01107.3991[Mm-hm.]107.7425
103VLD_se0_ag2_f_01108.0177And everybody knew everybody in the neighborhood, like I remember next door- my cousins112.8149
105 113.1497lived next door. Mind you, I didn't know they were my cousins until my mom told me later on.116.7448 
107 117.0983And then, um,118.4831 
109 119.4708my119.8671 
111 120.1376Godmother,121.0608 
113 121.2287she lived across the street from us, um, /RD-NAME-2/.123.6441 
115 124.2307And next door to her was125.9839 
117 126.8736her daughter, and the next door beside her was, I think, her cousins.131.0703 
119 131.4508So it was- the neighborhood was almost like a family134.2672 
120VLD_int_01134.4735Mm-hm.134.7699
121VLD_se0_ag2_f_01134.7335type of situation. But other than that136.6499
122 137.4837it's-138.1048
124 138.2810<exhale>138.7800 
126 139.2836to it- well right now people say it was the ghetto, but141.4602 
128 141.6980growing up it wasn't the ghetto to me143.4411 
130 143.6556because that's how I-145.3796 
132 146.3600I didn't think it was ghetto at that time.148.2439 
133VLD_int_01148.4668Right.148.7932
134VLD_se0_ag2_f_01148.8864You know.149.3201
136 149.7164But150.0895 
138 150.2946looking back now, some people probably say, yeah it was kind of like that.154.1919 
140 154.6433But155.0956 
142 155.7810I felt like my life was157.2825 
144 157.6173pretty easy. My mom made sure159.8975 
146 160.4524that I was safe, so I think162.8948 
148 163.5756that wasn't ghetto to me, [<laugh>] so.166.2938 
149VLD_int_01164.9689[Right.]165.3878
150 166.7455Let's see, so it was you-168.8997
152 169.4257how many- wait, let me b- how man siblings do you have?171.4261 
153VLD_se0_ag2_f_01172.0174Um, I have [five.]173.5572
154VLD_int_01173.3603[You have] five. [And]175.0467
155VLD_se0_ag2_f_01174.0784[Mm-hm.]174.4701
156VLD_int_01175.3644at that time it was177.2353
158 178.1100you,179.1125 
160 179.5835/RD-NAME-2/ and Cedric [right?]181.0989 
161VLD_se0_ag2_f_01180.8285[Right.]181.3016
162 181.4766Mm-hm.182.0921
163VLD_int_01182.1247Before it-182.7517
165 183.5078before y'all, and then184.6456 
167 184.7855/RD-NAME-3/ and /RD-NAME-3/- /RD-NAME-3/ came- /RD-NAME-3/ was Claudia Circle.188.4878 
168VLD_se0_ag2_f_01188.4878<ts> Right.189.0100
169 189.1956[/RD-NAME-3/ and /RD-NAME-3/] is Claudia Circle,190.8557
170VLD_int_01189.1956[Um.]189.8864
172 190.5927[And yeah.]191.2287 
173VLD_se0_ag2_f_01190.9893[mm-hm.]191.6555
174VLD_int_01191.7649Um, okay.192.7945
176 192.9064So tell me how- cause you were the baby for a while, cause there's a gap between you and [/RD-NAME-3/]196.7863 
177VLD_se0_ag2_f_01196.5053[Mm-hm.]197.4106
178VLD_int_01196.9783[so tell me] about being the baby.198.4217
179VLD_se0_ag2_f_01199.6378[Um.]200.3354
180VLD_int_01199.6378[Or when you]200.3179
181 200.6268lost your201.2139
183 201.3538position.201.8107 
184VLD_se0_ag2_f_01201.9506<laugh>203.7962
186 204.3698Being the baby I can say it was a little hard,207.8078 
188 208.1878but208.6754 
190 209.2929it was still kind of fun because my older siblings,212.0011 
192 212.2716they protected me.213.2368 
194 213.6835But I can say it's this one story, like, we was riding our bicycles around the neighborhood218.3688 
196 218.8817and I had a tricycle220.2806 
198 220.4112because, like, I didn't know how to ride a bicycle.222.1076 
200 222.4480And this222.9282 
202 223.0588dog literally chased us225.3750 
204 225.8416<laugh>226.5784 
206 226.7136and my brother and sister, they left me and it was- I was like, wait for me and they up there laughing. But231.8279 
208 232.0042that's one of the stories I- I was talking to my mom about it yesterday,234.6993 
210 235.1134but, like, little situations like that.237.3843 
212 237.7937it was funny at- it was239.2798 
214 239.4490funny now, but at the time it wasn't.241.0764 
216 241.5800But, um,242.4146 
218 243.0656<ts>243.1589 
220 243.2475being the baby, it was- it was okay.245.3225 
222 245.8027But I felt lonely though at the same time, because248.6791 
224 249.0099there's like, a nine year age difference between me and my older sister.253.0480 
226 253.5171So it was like255.1570 
228 256.6646basically I guess she can- I- I guess you could say like, she was upset that I was the baby,261.2846 
230 261.6203because262.6101 
232 263.1582like263.5685 
234 264.4125it was just only me and my bro- like265.9581 
236 266.3933I don't know.267.1068 
238 267.4052But267.9359 
240 268.6921I don't know.269.4056 
241VLD_int_01269.6518[Yeah.]270.0770
242VLD_se0_ag2_f_01269.8383[It- it was-] it's-270.6670
243 271.0833it's like a- <sigh>272.4346
245 272.5745a good and bad situation, I guess. I don't know.275.2231 
246VLD_int_01276.3832Then what is, um,277.9201
248 278.1178so then how- what's the difference between you and /RD-NAME-3/?280.4166 
249VLD_se0_ag2_f_01282.3406I can say when /RD-NAME-3/ was born, like, I can say I-285.7118
251 286.2519I met my best friend. Like I tell my little sister289.3517 
253 289.5803any and everything that's going on in my situ-291.8791 
255 292.1029in my life. And293.4225 
257 294.3495I had my moments where it's like- I was like, she's here and297.5114 
259 297.7034why she's here, I was the baby. But,299.8741 
261 300.2369I still can say301.4726 
263 301.7384I didn't feel lonely anymore.303.2305 
265 303.8778And I felt like I could- I could connect with someone because me and her, we're only like307.1907 
267 307.6538four or five years apart,308.7542 
268VLD_int_01308.8149Mm-hm.309.2154
269VLD_se0_ag2_f_01309.3278so.309.8967
271 310.1484<ts> Um,310.9176 
273 311.6770even though she was a little mean little girl, but313.7015 
275 314.0215I can say314.9774 
277 315.1080when she came along316.2312 
279 316.8696there was some positive things that started to happen.319.4062 
281 320.0908And then /RD-NAME-3/ came along and,321.9326 
283 322.2451oh, I get two.323.0442 
285 323.4108Good.323.8853 
287 324.3410Great.324.8283 
289 325.1398<laugh>326.0677 
290VLD_int_01326.1656How- how far is their age difference?327.8070
291VLD_se0_ag2_f_01327.8070They're a year apart.328.7302
292VLD_int_01328.9671Ah, okay. I - I didn't know if it was a year or two.331.2893
293VLD_se0_ag2_f_01331.5644Yeah.332.1376
294VLD_int_01332.9763Um,333.6129
296 333.7434okay. So where'd you-336.8564 
298 338.1317did you play outside a lot339.2788 
300 339.4047or were you [/inaudible/?]341.2838 
301VLD_se0_ag2_f_01340.0901[Oh my goodness] yes, I was outside all the time. And that's one thing I can say the difference between346.9521
302 347.1246growing up in the nineties, and the kids348.9571
304 349.3199that were growing up in the nineties with me,351.0222 
306 351.2774compared to the kids now.352.5705 
308 352.8442There are so many kids that's inside instead of going outside, like-356.1269 
310 357.8232like, what are you doing?358.7637 
312 359.0067But359.3378 
314 359.4077being outside back then, I can say I was smaller.362.1597 
316 362.4619<laugh> I was (laughing) heavier.365.1282 
318 365.7623But366.3008 
320 368.3904Mm-mm.368.9453 
322 369.0898I don't- I don't understand why kids are indoors371.1013 
324 371.4353all the time now, but.372.6384 
325VLD_int_01372.7549Electronics.373.7854
326VLD_se0_ag2_f_01373.8031Right.374.3627
328 374.6005But still.375.7020 
330 377.0718I don't know.377.6873 
331VLD_int_01379.3782So let's talk about school a little bit. [Where'd you-] where'd you go to school?382.3343
332VLD_se0_ag2_f_01380.9122[Mm-hm.]381.3331
333 382.8837I went to school at /RD-SCHOOL-3/ High [School.]384.8422
334VLD_int_01384.4178[Let's go] back, we're going back to- let's go to [kid school.]386.5861
335VLD_se0_ag2_f_01386.0592[Okay-] baby school, [okay.]387.5513
336VLD_int_01387.2995[so.]388.0083
337 388.4410And, [so-]389.3689
338VLD_se0_ag2_f_01389.0938[Ooh.]389.7483
339 391.0420/RD-SCHOOL-5/391.9699
340VLD_int_01392.1331Okay cause you- that's when you were over on that [side, okay.]394.6464
341VLD_se0_ag2_f_01394.0496[Right.]394.8594
342 395.0512Um, /RD-SCHOOL-5/. Um,397.2288
344 397.6065growing up there it was-399.0476 
346 400.4723it was- it was okay.401.8713 
348 402.4261Um,403.0327 
350 404.7053I don't know. Throughout school I had bad experiences, but lemme just think- talk about the positives.409.4000 
352 409.8849Um,410.6178 
354 412.4952It was- it was okay.414.1412 
356 415.1102Um,415.6231 
358 415.9076I remember my first teacher,417.5349 
360 417.8054my first kindergarten teacher, Miss /RD-NAME-1/.419.7265 
362 420.1732She-421.3705 
364 421.5721she was pretty good.422.7005 
366 423.0680Um,423.5685 
368 425.0497and we had a para-pro, her name was Miss /RD-NAME-1/, she was a black woman.428.1869 
370 428.6850And even though Miss /RD-NAME-1/, she had her moments where431.7345 
372 432.5636she would show her favoritism to the434.9184 
374 435.2299white kids, Miss /RD-NAME-1/ will be there to balance it out.438.3529 
375VLD_int_01438.4706[Hm.]438.8156
376VLD_se0_ag2_f_01438.6431[And] like, she would show her440.0793
377 440.5726affection to the black kids and the white kids.443.0499
379 443.5467But, um,444.2147 
381 446.0693<ts> what else?447.0905 
382VLD_int_01448.4316When you say you had bad experiences, was it like, just the way the kids451.4998
384 451.6396treated you? Was it [the-]453.0712 
385VLD_se0_ag2_f_01452.7168[I-] it was both, the kids and some of the teachers. Um, mind you during that time /RD-SCHOOL-5/, it was458.7581
386 459.1311majority of white kids that was going to the school, at the time. Of course there was black kids, but463.8677
388 464.2865I remember from growing up there was a l- there was more white kids that was going.467.7976 
390 468.2863But, um,469.1072 
392 469.7412I do remember being made fun of all the time, cause I was always taller473.5312 
394 473.8156than all of my classmates. And I always got made476.0622 
396 476.2394fun of because of that.477.4471 
398 477.9591But it-478.4907 
400 478.9570in middle school it helped. <laugh>481.2687 
402 481.8005But, um, I can say out of all of the- the teachers when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-5/, Miss /RD-NAME-1/ was my favorite teacher. She was hard488.1831 
404 488.5925but489.1396 
406 489.2873she wanted the best for her kids.491.9111 
408 492.3545And I can say she was494.0145 
410 494.3083one of my favorite teachers.495.7479 
412 496.3442She was very strict and she498.6057 
414 499.0626wanted me to499.9842 
416 500.5128get stuff down, but501.9723 
418 502.5729it was worth it. I wish all the teachers was like that, honestly,505.6970 
420 506.0505at /RD-SCHOOL-5/ because507.5598 
422 510.2835teachers aren't like that anymore.511.8036 
424 512.0872Or at the time.512.9260 
425VLD_int_01512.9545Was /RD-SCHOOL-2/ built when you were514.7264
426VLD_se0_ag2_f_01514.8756[<ts}515.0192
427VLD_int_01514.8756[was it /RD-SCHOOL-2/-] did you go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ or [/RD-SCHOOL-3/?]516.8611
428VLD_se0_ag2_f_01515.2011[Yeah.]515.6207
430 516.3435[I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/] because, um518.7169 
431 519.0144after I went- left /RD-SCHOOL-2/,520.6977
433 520.9728we moved to the Dellwood subdivision.522.9686 
434VLD_int_01523.1495Okay, [oh let's go back-] I didn't even know you went to [/RD-SCHOOL-2/.]525.4297
435VLD_se0_ag2_f_01523.5459[And-]524.0728
437 525.2012[Yes.]526.1664 
438VLD_int_01525.7971[So tell me] about- cause that's a very different kind of527.7416
439 527.8675environment.528.5452
440VLD_se0_ag2_f_01528.5452Right, um, /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was (laughing) horrible.531.8185
441 532.3140/RD-SCHOOL-2/, it was- <sigh>534.5756
443 537.1579the teachers538.0678 
445 538.3143were good,539.0863 
447 539.4287um, but I had a horrible experience at /RD-SCHOOL-2/.542.7292 
449 543.1339I had- that's when I first experienced having545.6612 
451 545.8850panic attacks.546.9764 
452VLD_int_01547.2131Hm.547.5534
453VLD_se0_ag2_f_01547.6094When I, um,548.5140
455 548.8544went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and-550.4725 
457 552.0662sorry.552.6859 
458VLD_int_01553.0827Okay.553.5055
459VLD_se0_ag2_f_01553.7169Because554.5688
461 554.7969I had some555.5316 
463 556.1314bad things happen to me then.557.7930 
465 558.6904But, um,559.4334 
467 564.5172I'm sorry just give me one [second.]566.4067 
468VLD_int_01566.0466[Take-]566.3422
469 566.6636take your time.567.4067
470VLD_se0_ag2_f_01570.6238It's just- kids are just so mean, you know,573.1744
472 573.4822and then when you have teachers575.4051 
474 576.4189that576.8934 
476 578.6981wouldn't believe you when certain things happen, like they will be on the b-582.2792 
478 582.4275the bad kids' side,583.6679 
480 584.1108it kind of makes you feel585.4866 
482 585.6254vulnerable. And it's like,586.8110 
484 587.2621you're my teacher, like, can you help me out, you're my principal, you should help me out.590.8376 
486 590.9495But when you're not helping me out it's like, what else can I do?593.8290 
488 594.1847But I turn to my mom and I just thank God for my mom so much, because598.1146 
490 598.3048if she didn't come out to that school599.8022 
492 600.8601Lord knows what would've happened to me, you know.603.5028 
494 603.9834But, um-604.9368 
496 606.2533and then when I got into fifth grade, I, um,608.3916 
498 609.5593I had a teacher named Miss /RD-NAME-3/ it was- <inhale>612.0484 
500 612.4354and613.0649 
502 613.4743she's the first teacher to ever taught me how to appreciate being black.616.9148 
504 617.1058Because every morning,618.7238 
506 619.6844we would get up620.4025 
508 620.6627after the /Peldge-/ Pledge of Allegiance, we would always sing Lift Every Voice and Sing.624.3324 
510 624.7278And that (crying) right there,626.0993 
512 627.0164to this day I appreciate her. (crying)628.9430 
514 632.1578<inhale> Because growing up being black and dark-skinned, I just636.0326 
516 636.4989felt like I wasn't good enough, but-638.9922 
518 640.8523<ts> I still have my moments today, but642.8806 
520 644.7131she really opened my eyes and647.0714 
522 648.5536made me feel like, okay you can be black and you can still be Maya Angelou. You can Martin Luther King. You can be Rosa Parks.654.8476 
524 655.4762You can be Thurgood Marshall.657.0029 
526 657.4719And be black and be great,659.2074 
528 659.3408you know. And660.2232 
530 660.8842I can say that was the one experience that663.1815 
532 663.5505was so positive out of my entire experience at /RD-SCHOOL-2/, was being in her class668.7347 
534 669.4333and appreciating670.8252 
536 671.0233being black,672.0066 
538 672.3616you know.672.8278 
540 674.0579<ts> And then after that674.9626 
542 675.1071<laugh> I left /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and677.2474 
544 677.7165went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/. And /RD-SCHOOL-6/680.5096 
546 681.5121<exhale> um, was an amazing experience for me because I experienced686.0249 
548 686.4679being around687.4059 
550 687.6420other kids besides689.0586 
552 689.1752black kids.690.0154 
554 690.4202I got experience being around Asian kids, um,693.0221 
556 693.9025<ts> Latinos, and695.2174 
558 695.6977it was-696.4190 
560 697.0639it was different for me.698.3759 
562 698.8396And I really enjoyed700.3588 
564 700.4754that environment. Not only that701.9339 
566 702.3032but I've also experienced my- I also learned my talents, like705.6736 
568 706.0932I didn't know I could be that good at music707.9071 
570 708.0414until I got in middle school. Um,709.8816 
572 710.5314I didn't think that I was711.9870 
574 712.9217so knowledgable about history until I go in middle school.716.1437 
576 716.3163So I can say717.7291 
578 718.3670transitioning from /RD-SCHOOL-2/ to /RD-SCHOOL-6/721.4958 
580 721.8073it was a722.7959 
582 723.3041huge jump for me.724.7496 
584 725.1591And I got to experience, um,727.0149 
586 727.2341going out of town, even though that was kind of hard for my mom. You know how my mom [is,]730.4552 
587VLD_int_01730.3293[I] do. <laugh>731.0754
588VLD_se0_ag2_f_01731.1127so. <laugh>732.3869
590 732.9723But I can say, um,734.8168 
592 737.0916the difference between the schools738.8513 
594 741.5176it was a amazing jump.742.9770 
596 743.5255But it's- it's kind of sad though, because some of those kids that went to,747.0739 
598 747.6241um, /RD-SCHOOL-4/, they didn't experience some of the things I experienced at /RD-SCHOOL-2/- at /RD-SCHOOL-6/ because752.9865 
600 754.4246of the,755.0634 
602 755.2919you know, like the different sides of towns and758.0827 
604 759.4232they uplift one school then they do the other school,762.5232 
606 762.7656so.763.3316 
607VLD_int_01764.0703[Yeah.]764.4752
608VLD_se0_ag2_f_01764.3734[<ts>] That's a disadvantage of being in this town,766.3878
609 767.4360but767.7422
611 767.9070other than that-768.7023 
613 769.1427oh.769.4953 
615 770.6525/RD-SCHOOL-5/771.8426 
617 772.4058/RD-SCHOOL-5/ was a little different for me because <exhale>775.7153 
619 776.9652<ts>777.1994 
621 778.0507I don't know. I-779.1139 
623 779.7145I was just going with the flow when I was in high school.782.0739 
625 782.4796It was like, look I'm just trying to get to college, I don't care about y'all.786.5587 
627 787.0064I was in marching band, I was in Key Club, um,790.1109 
629 791.0007<ts>791.2212 
631 791.8680I did a lot of things when I was in793.4580 
633 793.7191high school, but794.7590 
635 795.1544um,795.6953 
637 796.3714as far as socializing, I really stayed to myself799.9676 
639 800.3704a lot.800.8460 
641 801.2097I had a couple of friends but they were upperclassmen,803.5598 
643 803.8396and so every time804.6835 
645 804.9251an upperclassmen friend would graduate, I would be by myself.807.5664 
647 808.1929So it was kind of hard by the time I got to my junior and senior year, I probably only had like, one or two friends813.1720 
649 813.6103at the time- excuse me. And815.1164 
651 815.4885my other friends were probably like, in band817.8169 
653 818.2807but818.7237 
655 818.8636band friends are totally different from,820.5422 
657 821.2361you know, friends outside of your822.6946 
659 823.6868extracurricular activities.825.0945 
661 825.2368But, um,825.8609 
663 826.7374after high school I went to, um,828.5515 
665 828.7937college.829.6659 
667 830.1815Actually I forgot to tell you, my mom wanted me to go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/834.2428 
669 834.6252and to become a phlebotomist,836.0893 
671 836.4801but I didn't wanna do that.837.4640 
673 838.0469I wanted to go to UGA839.6070 
675 840.0463and be in the band,841.5105 
677 842.1586um, I got accepted into UGA and I had a scholarship at UGA.845.8321 
679 846.5819Um, I auditioned at /RD-SCHOOL-8/849.1665 
681 849.3890and850.0522 
683 850.5025I had a partial851.4071 
685 851.5423at /RD-SCHOOL-8/,852.9086 
687 853.3879but my mom didn't want me to do that. She wanted me to do phlebotomy because857.0175 
689 857.4158I can get a good job with that. But I didn't wanna do it so860.1389 
691 860.6229I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/862.0931 
693 862.2689for-862.9264 
695 865.4155<ts>865.7233 
697 866.4600I guess for one semester and I quit,868.5338 
699 868.6600<laugh> because I didn't wanna do it.870.3200 
701 870.5709I was goofing off and872.6258 
703 873.2940I said,873.8489 
705 873.9748bump it, forget it.875.2104 
707 875.7225And after I left /RD-SCHOOL-2/, um,877.8898 
709 878.1060I started working879.3932 
711 880.1093for a couple of years and after that, I decided to go back to school and, um,884.2677 
713 885.3440go to /RD-SCHOOL-9/ and study sociology and anthropology. And889.2086 
715 889.7775that right there,890.6354 
717 890.8639that was so amazing.892.6446 
719 893.2318And honestly I can't wait til I go back, but895.3161 
721 896.1685<ts> right now I don't wanna897.2105 
723 897.7026go back right now, because I feel like God is pushing me to do something else,900.9517 
725 901.4507at the moment.902.1921 
727 902.4345But, um,903.1950 
729 904.8201other than that,905.6548 
731 906.4755school,907.2671 
733 907.4407it was- school was okay growing up.909.4923 
735 910.3401But, um,911.2283 
737 912.0654I think912.7300 
739 914.4938My experiences changed916.5430 
741 917.2953when my environment changed.919.3010 
742VLD_int_01919.6399[Hm.]920.0222
743VLD_se0_ag2_f_01919.9056[Like,] compared to, um,921.3076
744 921.7335living on Claudia Circle,923.2116
746 924.0081being on that side of town, moving on the good side of town,927.5519 
748 927.9333that's when928.7954 
750 930.0317my school930.9083 
752 931.6572changed and the932.8458 
754 933.8627surroundings of the school changed935.6376 
756 936.2128to a positive.937.2200 
758 937.6723But,938.0500 
760 938.9808I wish all the schools940.6773 
762 941.2749in the city would942.5293 
764 943.0981be on the same level I [guess.]945.1256 
765VLD_int_01944.9464[Mm.]945.3388
766VLD_se0_ag2_f_01945.4660And have the same type of947.1407
768 947.6100environment where kids shouldn't have to-950.2166 
770 951.8803I don't know. I just wish all the schools was positive instead of954.2584 
772 954.5140being negative.955.7040 
774 956.3884I don't- I don't know how to describe it but,958.3049 
776 959.1013That's the only way how I can960.1898 
778 960.8779say it,961.4366 
780 961.9495but.962.3507 
781VLD_int_01962.7731So, <clears throat>964.0400
783 965.4224what do you think- how do you think you could /make/-968.6101 
785 968.9094cause you just said something about the- the schools and being different and971.3772 
787 971.6465the [different sides] of town.972.8262 
788VLD_se0_ag2_f_01971.7620[Mm-hm]972.1085
789VLD_int_01973.5574How do you think we could make that better?975.3604
791 976.5267Or has it changed even now or is it still the same?979.3804 
792VLD_se0_ag2_f_01979.4448Um, it's still the same a little bit because,982.5345
794 983.0903um,983.6312 
796 984.2001like I said, I used to track at /RD-WORK-3/,986.5548 
798 987.0249and987.6497 
800 988.4331talking to the kids,989.8350 
802 990.0175um,990.5764 
804 991.0154from the two different school districts992.8832 
806 993.8542there's a little bit of change, but it's still almost the same.997.5650 
808 998.1665Um,998.7209 
810 998.8892like I had to track this one kid, he was going to /RD-SCHOOL-4/,1001.8726 
812 1002.3109and he was telling me that his teachers really don't care1005.7932 
814 1006.4124if he passes or fail this- fail his class. And I had to talk to this one girl1010.4692 
816 1011.0138that was going to /RD-SCHOOL-6/,1012.3567 
818 1012.6598and her teachers were pushing her like, look you gotta get your stuff together1016.2167 
820 1016.4965or you're gonna stay back.1017.4430 
822 1017.8292<ts>1017.9540 
824 1018.3234And I feel like in order1020.4118 
826 1020.5989for us to change this, I think the parents1022.8409 
828 1023.3258and community leaders need to actually step up1025.5724 
830 1025.9967and talk to the board like, look we need to get this together and1029.4324 
832 1029.7355we need to help our kids out. But when you have people in office1032.8634 
834 1033.2084that wanna be in office just to have power and to collect a check,1036.2151 
836 1036.6534that's when it becomes a problem.1038.5139 
838 1039.4129That's just my opinion,1040.9125 
840 1041.1149but1041.4553 
842 1042.6947<ts> I just-1043.4688 
844 1043.7112I think honestly it starts with the parents as well.1045.9961 
846 1046.6797But1047.0468 
848 1047.2206the problem is there's too many parents that's just1049.7806 
850 1050.5965out working and going with the flow, and not paying attention to their kids1054.5964 
852 1054.9321as well,1055.7155 
854 1056.3954so.1056.8293 
856 1057.4585But there's a little change, but it's- it's not-1059.9252 
858 1062.3294it's not happening fast enough.1064.0967 
860 1064.3485Like it's- it's1065.0871 
862 1065.2717taking too long,1066.3255 
864 1066.6333to be honest.1067.4764 
865VLD_int_011068.3110<ts> Do you think it's about race? Is it about money?1071.3363
867 1071.5228I mean, I know it's sides of town, and we know the [sides of town] are-1073.9140 
868VLD_se0_ag2_f_011073.0281[Mm-hm.]1073.5520
869VLD_int_011074.0446but do you think it's more about race or more about money?1076.1755
870VLD_se0_ag2_f_011076.4879<ts>1076.5625
872 1076.6698Um,1077.3217 
874 1079.8154honestly I think it's1081.1390 
876 1081.3542a little bit of both,1083.0416 
877VLD_int_011082.8871Mm-hm.1083.2753
878VLD_se0_ag2_f_011084.0578because-1085.0490
880 1085.4613and you have to realize we live in a football town,1087.8338 
882 1088.3654so- and that plays a part too. That football brings in the money,1092.0761 
884 1092.7942because you have people from California come to the Winnersville Classic and1096.1208 
886 1096.4910check these kids out on the field.1098.1967 
888 1098.6350But I honestly think it's a little bit of both because1101.5027 
890 1102.2992just seeing how-1104.0291 
892 1107.0218going to/RD-SCHOOL-5/, just seeing how1109.2544 
894 1109.6974teachers will pass along athletes before they'll pass along1113.1284 
896 1113.5853a regular-degular student,1115.1237 
898 1115.3517you know, who is trying their best1117.3194 
900 1117.6272to do what they have to do.1118.7170 
902 1119.6266You know, they'll give this football player an A and he /have any-/ did any work to1123.8876 
904 1124.1627receive that A, when you have this one student1126.1389 
906 1126.4979who's busting their behind1127.7616 
908 1128.0367and then you give them a C.1129.5852 
910 1130.5258It's like,1131.3298 
912 1131.8500come on, like, can we1132.9820 
914 1133.6024find some balance here but1135.1509 
916 1136.2360you can't fault that teacher,1137.5976 
918 1138.0079because, you know, you have the coaches and1140.3897 
920 1141.0426people on the Touch Down Club is telling them like, look, you need to pass so and so or you'll get fired.1145.6952 
922 1146.1047So I- I think it's a- it's-1148.0537 
924 1149.0749it's a little bit of both.1150.2631 
925VLD_int_011150.2631It's a little bit of both.1151.0977
926VLD_se0_ag2_f_011151.0977[Mm-hm.]1151.6619
927VLD_int_011151.5873[Tell] me about1152.3913
928 1152.7950<clears throat> couple of things.1154.2349
930 1154.3655Tell me about when you discovered music.1156.4312 
932 1157.8011When you [discovered]1158.6871 
933VLD_se0_ag2_f_011158.3700[<exhale>]1158.9404
934VLD_int_011159.1907you were good at it.1160.2690
935VLD_se0_ag2_f_011160.4814Um, I discovered music when I was in the fourth grade.1164.2910
937 1164.9616And, um,1166.3910 
939 1168.4662my mom and dad bought me a keyboard from Toys R Us.1171.9774 
941 1172.4950And1173.1437 
943 1173.8612I don't know why they bought it, but1175.2685 
945 1175.5623I- I just started toying with it a little bit1178.0010 
947 1178.4617and I taught myself how to play, um,1181.1697 
949 1182.6751<ts> I forgot the name of this song, it's from Beethoven.1185.7666 
951 1186.3215But, um,1187.0629 
953 1188.0785I wasn't1188.7037 
955 1188.9318serious about it, it was just something that1191.0068 
957 1191.1665just1191.7622 
959 1192.7583came at me naturally.1194.2835 
961 1194.8799And <exhale> I went to the fifth grade, and we went to1198.1905 
963 1199.6398<ts> I think the Music Hall of Fame.1201.1447 
965 1201.7652I think it's in Macon, Georgia. I'm not sure, I forgot.1204.0780 
967 1204.5853And1205.3687 
969 1205.5506I got behind this piano, it was this beautiful grand piano,1208.5301 
971 1208.8939and I started playing the song, and all the kids was like,1211.3261 
973 1211.6152oh my God, /RD-NAME-3/ is playing the piano.1213.8021 
975 1214.1975And I'm like,1214.9343 
977 1215.1721I'm just tapping on some keys, you know.1217.4860 
979 1217.8570And that's when I realized maybe1219.9163 
981 1220.1418I can do this.1221.0884 
983 1221.2376But,1221.6526 
985 1222.0816um,1222.5866 
987 1222.9293when I got to middle school, that's when I really knew1225.3447 
989 1225.8110I had a gift, because,1227.2742 
991 1227.7498um,1228.3028 
993 1230.7239I started playing the clarinet at the time and I didn't know anything about the notes,1235.1341 
995 1235.8149and I just started playing a song. And my band director came up to me and he was like, what are you playing?1240.7333 
997 1241.2071I said, I don't know.1242.0697 
999 1242.1583He was like, that sounds really good.1243.8434 
1001 1243.9442(laughing) And I'm like,1244.7163 
1003 1245.2498thank you. <laugh>1246.5601 
1005 1247.0217But1247.4405 
1007 1247.5850he was like,1248.2612 
1009 1248.4570do you know the notes that you're playing? I said, no sir. And he was like,1252.0512 
1011 1252.3916You have a talent but you gotta learn the notes sweetheart, before you get to do (laughing) anything.1257.2354 
1012VLD_int_011257.2867Is this Mr. /RD-NAME-2/?1258.2852
1013VLD_se0_ag2_f_011258.4329Um, Mr. /RD-NAME-2/,1259.6998
1014VLD_int_011259.7991[Mr. Mi- okay.]1260.4577
1015VLD_se0_ag2_f_011260.1013[at the] time.1260.7448
1016 1260.9779But, um-1261.7384
1018 1262.5726but yeah, that's when I really found out that I had1264.9507 
1020 1265.0888a gift1265.7696 
1022 1266.6462When it come down to music. And my mom1268.1735 
1024 1268.3295heard about that she was like, I'm putting you in piano lessons,1270.6983 
1026 1271.5274so.1271.9517 
1028 1272.2688Yeah.1272.6465 
1029VLD_int_011272.6838What'd you- where'd you take piano lessons?1274.3111
1030VLD_se0_ag2_f_011274.3111<ts>1274.4128
1031 1274.8604Um,1275.7137
1033 1277.6349I took private lessons with the, um, lady named Miss Barbara-1282.1265 
1035 1282.6223/RD-NAME-2/?1283.3404 
1036VLD_int_011283.3404/RD-NAME-2/,1283.8860
1037VLD_se0_ag2_f_011284.3103[Is /RD-NAME-2/- /RD-NAME-4/. I don't know why I'm thinking Barbara.]1287.0932
1038VLD_int_011284.3103[was it /RD-NAME-4/?]1285.2755
1040 1285.7736[Mm-hm. I took lessons with her] too.1287.4848 
1041VLD_se0_ag2_f_011287.7264Oh my gosh.1288.9600
1043 1289.1486That lady right there,1290.5824 
1045 1290.9252she was so hard on me, but1292.8090 
1047 1293.2268I guess she saw the talent that was in me and she wanted to pull it out of me.1297.1157 
1049 1297.4374But I will- I will always pull it back in. I guess cause I was nervous around her1301.4373 
1051 1301.7404because she- she really intimidated me when she-1304.5978 
1053 1305.5388she was playing some type of1307.2035 
1055 1307.6231gospel song, and her fingers was just going. I'm like, oh my God this woman is amazing.1312.4343 
1057 1312.8624So, but I can say she taught me a lot when it comes down to music, and to this day when I'm at church1318.4803 
1059 1318.9792I remember some of the things that she told me. If you don't know the notes to a song,1322.4429 
1061 1323.0304they way how you can wing it is play chords. Until this day, that's all I do when I'm at church, I just play chords.1328.6520 
1063 1328.7733<laugh>1330.1162 
1065 1330.3764But, yeah.1331.2064 
1066VLD_int_011332.5577So why'd you play clarinet?1334.3776
1067VLD_se0_ag2_f_011335.4208Because that's the only instrument my mom had in her house. [<laugh>] Exactly.1340.3672
1068VLD_int_011338.0544[Cause your sister played it?]1339.1844
1069VLD_se0_ag2_f_011340.4931But, um,1341.3557
1071 1342.2688if it was up to me, I probably would've1344.1458 
1073 1344.4501been a percussionist.1345.6345 
1074VLD_int_011346.2220Ah, that makes sense.1347.5136
1075VLD_se0_ag2_f_011347.5360[<laugh>]1348.8976
1076VLD_int_011347.6339[Because the piano is just like] the,1349.2986
1077 1349.8861[um,]1350.3990
1078VLD_se0_ag2_f_011350.2172[The xylophone, right.]1351.8078
1079VLD_int_011350.7234[vibraphone, yep.]1351.6198
1080 1352.0164[Mm.]1352.5850
1081VLD_se0_ag2_f_011352.2586[But, yeah.]1352.8368
1082VLD_int_011353.7825So talk about, um, some of your experiences in band. Like [some of the things you] got to do because you were in the band.1359.7631
1083VLD_se0_ag2_f_011357.7497[Mm-hm.]1358.1880
1084 1359.8807Oh, man. Um,1361.1360
1086 1361.8475of course I got to travel a lot,1363.5150 
1088 1363.8665[um.]1364.4267 
1089VLD_int_011363.8665[Where'd you go?]1364.4267
1090VLD_se0_ag2_f_011366.5841Everywhere in Georgia: Atlanta, Savannah,1369.3203
1092 1369.4649Waycross, um,1371.3300 
1094 1372.0528Bainbridge.1373.1731 
1096 1373.5393I've been to l- Orlando1375.4744 
1098 1375.9025maybe five different times.1377.5584 
1100 1378.0474Um,1378.7295 
1102 1378.8914New York City,1380.1134 
1104 1380.7977um,1381.5233 
1106 1382.3868yeah.1382.8298 
1107VLD_int_011382.8484What'd y'all go to New York City for?1384.0022
1108VLD_se0_ag2_f_011384.5457Just to go,1385.2902
1109VLD_int_011385.4354[<laugh>]1386.6851
1110VLD_se0_ag2_f_011386.3400[we didn't] perform or anything.1387.6596
1111VLD_int_011388.5260Wow, the whole band?1389.5565
1112VLD_se0_ag2_f_011389.5798Mm-hm- well not the whole band, but everybody that1391.7434
1114 1392.9782wanted [to go.]1393.8501 
1115VLD_int_011393.4771[To go, wow.]1394.5380
1116VLD_se0_ag2_f_011394.0413[Yeah.]1394.5812
1117VLD_int_011395.0103Spoiled.1395.7329
1118VLD_se0_ag2_f_011396.0222<laugh>1396.8568
1119VLD_int_011397.1879Um, when was that?1398.0412
1120VLD_se0_ag2_f_011398.7826Um,1399.6079
1122 1400.8380it was either my junior or senior year.1402.9028 
1123VLD_int_011403.0194So that's your first time going to New York?1404.2317
1125 1404.6700Tell me about it.1405.4247 
1126VLD_se0_ag2_f_011408.6279It was okay.1409.5248
1128 1409.9932I don't like New York.1411.3781 
1130 1411.9890[<laugh>]1412.6275 
1131VLD_int_011412.1988[Why?]1412.5718
1132VLD_se0_ag2_f_011413.5790I don't like the noise, I don't-1415.7324
1134 1416.3665Mm.1417.1067 
1136 1417.5089I- I don't- I don't like New York.1419.3592 
1138 1419.5364Maybe that I'm a Southern girl and I like the-1422.1427 
1140 1422.5804the space, but New York is just too1425.1534 
1142 1426.8740mm-mm.1427.3079 
1143VLD_int_011427.3079What'd y'all do? So tell me a little bit about the trip.1429.4423
1144VLD_se0_ag2_f_011429.4890We went to see Phantom of the Opera, now that was fun,1432.9153
1146 1433.0692we ate a lot,1434.2535 
1148 1434.7152uh,1435.4698 
1150 1436.7370what else did we do- we seen another show.1438.5700 
1152 1439.7959It was some1440.5793 
1154 1440.9103knock-off show we went to go see.1442.5694 
1156 1443.2595We met <laugh>1445.0268 
1158 1445.7253it's this one band director, I forgot his name, I think his name was1449.2271 
1160 1449.6506Pierre LaPlante.1450.8740 
1162 1451.0162We watched his, um,1452.3876 
1164 1453.8276his band play1454.9930 
1166 1456.5638from what I remember,1457.5826 
1168 1458.4103[yeah.]1458.8515 
1169VLD_int_011458.5083[W-] was it good?1459.4487
1170VLD_se0_ag2_f_011459.7430Oh, he- hoo.1460.8621
1172 1460.9973His band was awesome.1462.2097 
1174 1462.9688But other than that-1463.9775 
1176 1464.3948that-1464.8984 
1178 1465.5372it was a short trip so it wasn't1467.5829 
1180 1468.0645all that grandiose, so.1469.8097 
1181VLD_int_011469.8495Did y'all fly or take the train?1471.1293
1182VLD_se0_ag2_f_011471.1458We, um, we actually took a bus there,1473.2711
1183VLD_int_011474.0965Ooh.1474.5511
1184VLD_se0_ag2_f_011474.8472so.1475.4885
1186 1477.1358Yeah.1477.6391 
1187VLD_int_011477.9518So you're not moving to New York, that's what you're telling me?1479.8673
1188VLD_se0_ag2_f_011479.8673That's- yes. I'm- you don't have to worry about me moving there.1482.2180
1189 1482.5383Hm-mm.1483.0185
1191 1483.5455[<laugh>]1484.8651 
1192VLD_int_011484.4827[So let's] back up, let's- so when- I think,1486.7116
1193 1486.8552well,1487.2205
1195 1487.4987I will tell you when I think our relationship changed. When do you think1489.7546 
1197 1489.8992we got close?1491.3198 
1198VLD_se0_ag2_f_011492.7007Um,1493.6845
1200 1495.1021<ts> Girls of [Grace.]1496.3279 
1201VLD_int_011495.8575[Yup.]1496.2585
1202VLD_se0_ag2_f_011496.7938Girls of Grace, [that's when I knew-]1498.2875
1203VLD_int_011497.6191[So talk a little bit] about it, [like I know about it but can you tell me some stories] about it.1501.5320
1204VLD_se0_ag2_f_011498.9527[Oh my gosh.]1500.5847
1205 1502.1123Oh, Lord.1503.6791
1207 1503.9495I can say Girls of Grace-1506.0569 
1209 1506.2250okay,1506.6867 
1211 1507.0224I remember doing a lot of,1509.4648 
1213 1510.3741um,1511.0560 
1215 1512.5359well specifically I remember going to the food bank.1515.2310 
1217 1515.9584Um,1516.6765 
1219 1516.8537I remember having1518.2153 
1221 1518.6434little workshops and classes, and1521.6323 
1223 1521.9904now this- <laugh>1523.1269 
1225 1523.5898this may be a little bit too inappropriate but1525.3710 
1227 1525.6732I remember having this one discussion about (laughing) sex.1529.0990 
1228VLD_int_011529.4959Oh when [the nurse came in?]1530.8761
1229VLD_se0_ag2_f_011529.8503[/And being-/]1530.6702
1231 1530.8761yes,1531.6073 
1232 1531.6865oh my gosh.1533.1647
1234 1533.6962Like,1534.4610 
1236 1535.2901I was like, I don't want my virginity taken. (laughing)1538.2930 
1238 1538.6138And I remember you had this piece of paper, I think it was a piece of paper or1542.5055 
1240 1542.6510candy wrapper,1543.6255 
1242 1544.1757and1544.8658 
1244 1545.2249<laugh> this is your hymen1547.5041 
1246 1547.6160and if you poke this. And I was like, oh my God, like. <laugh>1552.3060 
1248 1552.4785I remember that til this day and I'm like,1555.2468 
1250 1555.7230okay.1556.6647 
1252 1557.3532But yeah, it- oh my gosh.1559.6380 
1254 1560.1836Girls of Grace was awesome.1561.5835 
1256 1562.7249You should do that again.1563.7870 
1257VLD_int_011564.8307Hm-mm, okay hold on. Let [the Lord lead us in that issue.]1567.9490
1258VLD_se0_ag2_f_011566.3042[<laugh>]1569.4423
1259VLD_int_011568.5004[Um,]1569.0087
1260 1569.5729apparently that is not1570.6886
1262 1570.8869my ministry, but we gonna1572.3464 
1263VLD_se0_ag2_f_011572.3464[<laugh>]1574.3374
1264VLD_int_011572.5189[let the Lord see what He can do.]1574.1556
1265 1574.5548Um,1575.0906
1267 1575.4641so tell me- okay,1577.0633 
1269 1577.2499because, like, someone else who is listening to this may not what it is, [so tell me] what it is.1581.7674 
1270VLD_se0_ag2_f_011580.2939[Mm-hm.]1580.8134
1271VLD_int_011581.9772And then you talked about the food bank,1583.5430
1273 1583.7249maybe tell me some other things y'all did.1585.2673 
1274VLD_se0_ag2_f_011586.0517Um,1586.5225
1276 1587.0253oh man, my memory is-1588.7832 
1278 1589.8371we did a lot of things, though. We did,1591.8459 
1280 1592.0604um,1592.8251 
1282 1594.2837I wouldn't say it was like a Vacation Bible School, but1597.7342 
1284 1598.2462it was almost where1599.8292 
1286 1600.3632you had a group of girls and we would do like, group activities as far as team building.1605.0345 
1288 1605.4905We did a lot of1606.9920 
1290 1608.4832yeah, Bible study.1609.6766 
1292 1609.8308Um,1610.5302 
1294 1611.5505<ts>1611.7210 
1296 1612.8375what else?1613.5882 
1298 1614.7399Basically- I felt like, to me personally, I felt like you brought in1618.4460 
1300 1619.2565a lot of people that,1620.5341 
1302 1620.7206um,1621.3035 
1304 1621.8304talked to us about,1622.8370 
1306 1623.5081you know, how it is to be a woman.1625.3428 
1308 1625.9226Periods, sex, um,1627.8757 
1310 1630.2675yeah the whole nine yards as far as, um,1633.0746 
1312 1634.2581<sigh> I can't think of it.1635.4704 
1314 1637.6797You know the class, Gender, Sex, and Race?1639.8471 
1315VLD_int_011640.0336Mm-hm.1640.6505
1316VLD_se0_ag2_f_011640.7610That's what Girls of Grace1642.2484
1318 1642.6495makes me think of1643.9564 
1320 1644.3636as a whole. But it was more to it besides that.1647.5390 
1322 1648.1266Um,1648.7029 
1324 1648.9845oh we- we1649.6886 
1326 1649.8239learned about different cultures, like the African, um,1652.6114 
1328 1654.2658<ts> what did we do with that? I think it was the African [party, or?]1657.6035 
1329VLD_int_011656.4028[The compe- yeah. The competition] so [each team had a different] country.1660.1581
1330VLD_se0_ag2_f_011658.2750[Yeah, the competition.]1659.6459
1331 1660.4190Right, now I remember that because we had Nigeria.1663.2278
1333 1663.4863I thought /Souf/ A- South Africa was gonna win cause they did a good job. I remember that.1667.4235 
1335 1667.9944Um, what else did we do?1669.2356 
1337 1669.4212Um,1669.8109 
1338VLD_int_011670.0834But [didn't y'all win?]1671.0057
1339VLD_se0_ag2_f_011670.2830[We went to Spelman-]1671.6119
1340 1671.7425yes we did.1672.7730
1342 1673.2532We did.1673.8134 
1343VLD_int_011673.9014Mm-hm I thought so.1674.8674
1344VLD_se0_ag2_f_011674.8674We went to Spelman,1676.2393
1345 1676.3625um,1677.0606
1347 1677.2111we toured Spelman and I think we went somewhere else.1680.2797 
1349 1680.8464We went to the Coca Cola factory1682.5810 
1351 1683.1545and, um,1684.1368 
1353 1685.4991but yeah.1685.9699 
1354VLD_int_011686.8653Oh, the Coca Cola factory was the year y'all had to do the1689.5782
1356 1689.9885Coca Cola project.1691.4247 
1358 1692.2771Do you remember? It was a project cause Coca Cola was failing or something.1695.5892 
1359VLD_se0_ag2_f_011695.8573[Mm-hm.]1696.3795
1360VLD_int_011695.9739[And y'all had to] come up with like, a whole marketing plan.1698.5797
1361 1699.0039And then present it to, um,1701.3726
1363 1701.8007Miss /RD-NAME-2/ the judge-1703.7246 
1365 1703.9083I mean the attorney.1704.9761 
1366VLD_se0_ag2_f_011705.1757Mm-hm.1705.5654
1367VLD_int_011705.6327The jewelry [lady-]1706.9336
1368VLD_se0_ag2_f_011706.7751[You see,] I don't remember none [of that. <laugh>]1709.2324
1369VLD_int_011707.5305[/inaudible/]1707.7590
1371 1708.4388[but that's oh-] cause that's when- I remember us going to Atlanta cause I wanted y'all to1711.5723 
1372 1711.8885like, understand like, Coke.1713.6184
1373VLD_se0_ag2_f_011713.8143[Mm-hm.]1714.3095
1374VLD_int_011714.1174[And so] then you had the whole project. Cause my best friend did the project with us1717.8468
1375 1718.3961and she was in marketing.1719.9348
1377 1720.1027She1720.5898 
1379 1721.1798did marketing,1721.8970 
1381 1721.9996and so the whole project was around marketing like, come up with a new slogan for Coke. I don't remember who won that one. But I do [remember that-]1727.9812 
1382VLD_se0_ag2_f_011727.5056[I remember] now. [Okay, yeah] I remember that.1730.5985
1383VLD_int_011728.7879[Mm-hm.]1729.5293
1384VLD_se0_ag2_f_011731.0252Yeah.1731.4402
1386 1732.6572I remember now.1733.4852 
1388 1734.1111Yeah.1735.0771 
1390 1735.5519I remember that now, because I- it- it took me the longest to try to figure out1739.7083 
1392 1740.0694a slogan. That was so hard for me.1741.9942 
1394 1742.4372I remember that now.1743.5190 
1396 1743.7335Yeah.1744.2278 
1398 1745.1968But as far as Girls of Grace,1746.8447 
1400 1747.0060I- that was- that was pretty good. I didn't- some of the stuff that1750.3722 
1402 1750.9490that you taught us and1752.1179 
1404 1752.5250the people that you brought in like, I didn't know. Like, I didn't know you had to fill out scholarships and stuff,1757.2336 
1406 1757.5554I didn't know anything about the process of1759.8533 
1408 1760.2403trying to go to college because I wasn't taught that1762.7650 
1409VLD_int_011763.2983[Hm.]1763.7039
1410VLD_se0_ag2_f_011763.5454[in] high school.1764.4034
1411 1765.1299Well,1765.5195
1413 1765.6708and middle school too. But, um,1767.2456 
1415 1768.2438<ts> yeah.1768.8445 
1416VLD_int_011769.7219Two things I'm gonna ask you about.1771.1339
1417VLD_se0_ag2_f_011771.1339Mm-hm.1771.5116
1418VLD_int_011772.6633So we had the- remember we had the themes each year.1775.5823
1419VLD_se0_ag2_f_011775.8658Mm-hm.1776.3135
1420VLD_int_011776.3135Um,1777.6750
1422 1778.0938<ts>1778.3922 
1424 1780.2061what was our- the one I wanted to ask you,1782.9012 
1426 1783.5345remember when you1784.5137 
1428 1785.0779played the piano and we made the whole song?1787.2965 
1429VLD_se0_ag2_f_011787.3245Mm-hm.1787.9577
1430VLD_int_011791.2349You- I think you were playing like, Fur Elise.1793.1020
1431VLD_se0_ag2_f_011793.6782<ts>1793.8649
1433 1794.0111It was Moonlight [Sonata.]1795.4446 
1434VLD_int_011795.1834[Oh.]1795.7896
1435VLD_se0_ag2_f_011795.6684[I] remember,1796.7724
1436 1797.2165girls are great, <imitates music> yeah I remember that. [<laugh>]1801.7199
1437VLD_int_011801.1371[<laugh>]1801.9245
1438VLD_se0_ag2_f_011802.1527That was crazy but it was-1804.0924
1440 1804.1904it was kind of like-1805.5948 
1442 1806.6561it was awesome because1808.1417 
1444 1809.5229that was my first time experiencing1811.8122 
1446 1812.1099people using their creative juices to come up with something that's so simple1816.5296 
1448 1817.1589like a song like that.1818.7350 
1450 1819.1220And then we had this one girl1820.8799 
1452 1821.6755she was the soloist, and I think she came up with her own lyrics1824.8658 
1454 1825.3265for one part, I believe.1826.7394 
1456 1827.3633But1827.7205 
1458 1828.2726I remember that song to this day. As we grow in his grace-1831.4304 
1460 1833.6750I forgot the rest, I think.1835.1444 
1462 1839.4981(whispering) For his grace,1840.9187 
1464 1842.4628wasn't there, there's no time to waste?1844.4669 
1465VLD_int_011844.4669[Mm-hm.]1844.9519
1466VLD_se0_ag2_f_011844.8866[Come] on you Girls of Grace, or something [like that.]1847.2164
1467VLD_int_011846.6165[/Like that/.]1847.0475
1468VLD_se0_ag2_f_011847.4083[<laugh>]1848.6860
1469VLD_int_011848.1544[Um,]1848.6658
1470 1849.0963Because /RD-NAME-2/ did- I did- didn't /RD-NAME-2/ do like, a rap?1851.6609
1472 1852.7371In the-1853.3153 
1473VLD_se0_ag2_f_011853.4132She did.1854.5497
1474VLD_int_011854.5497[mm-hm.]1855.4090
1475VLD_se0_ag2_f_011855.1758[She] did.1856.1012
1476 1856.4572Yup.1856.9524
1477VLD_int_011857.9904Um, and then do you remember your name?1860.2309
1478VLD_se0_ag2_f_011860.7695Tranquility.1861.5569
1480 1862.3773I still have that butterfly on my wall.1864.5772 
1481VLD_int_011865.8269Wow.1866.4098
1482VLD_se0_ag2_f_011866.4098[Mm-hm.]1867.2378
1483VLD_int_011867.1325From-1867.8739
1484 1869.0341so you're twenty-eight, so you had to be, what, fifteen, sixteen? [So that was like,] twelve- wow. That's a long [time.]1874.2743
1485VLD_se0_ag2_f_011871.5325[Yeah.]1872.1413
1487 1873.9106[Twelve or] thirteen years ago.1875.2037 
1488VLD_int_011876.1012Wow.1876.5883
1489VLD_se0_ag2_f_011876.5883Yeah, and I still actually have,1878.2931
1490 1878.5026um,1879.0249
1492 1879.5975you know, at the end of1880.9451 
1494 1881.1502the, um, program, we would have to write-1883.0574 
1496 1883.2197write to, um, we had to write notes to, um,1885.2294 
1498 1885.6817all the girls and, um,1887.5935 
1500 1888.4030put 'em inside of like, I think it was a bag?1890.3474 
1501VLD_int_011890.3474Mm-hm.1890.9157
1502VLD_se0_ag2_f_011890.9489I think I have all my notes.1892.5806
1503VLD_int_011892.8094Wow. And that was what, three years of-1895.2519
1505 1895.5223cause how- you did it for a long time but I don't think [we started the notes] until like, the1898.8647 
1506VLD_se0_ag2_f_011897.3959[Mm-hm.]1898.0859
1507VLD_int_011899.2462second year.1900.3233
1508VLD_se0_ag2_f_011900.3233Yeah, I still have all of my notes.1902.5895
1509 1903.8103[Mm-hm] it's in a little box.1905.3608
1510VLD_int_011903.8103[Wow.]1904.3138
1511VLD_se0_ag2_f_011905.7220Because it's like, sometimes I have to go back and look. Like,1908.5842
1513 1908.6821I wonder what these girls are doing.1909.8385 
1514VLD_int_011910.5743Hm.1911.0046
1515VLD_se0_ag2_f_011911.2131You know,1911.7327
1517 1911.9592so.1912.4441 
1518VLD_int_011912.8405/RD-NAME-2/ passed away.1914.0659
1519VLD_se0_ag2_f_011914.0659And [/RD-NAME-2/.]1915.0658
1520VLD_int_011914.7420[And /RD-NAME-2/] got killed.1916.4692
1521VLD_se0_ag2_f_011916.9196Yeah, that broke my heart.1918.0891
1523 1918.3875Um,1918.8259 
1525 1919.1103because,1919.7435 
1527 1920.1501um, I used to see /RD-NAME-2/ before she moved.1923.0563 
1529 1923.4086I used to see her all the time.1925.0383 
1531 1925.4640And the last time I saw her,1927.0064 
1533 1927.1846she gave me a hug and she was just cheesing- and you know she's a jokester.1930.5223 
1534VLD_int_011930.5806Mm.1930.9730
1535VLD_se0_ag2_f_011931.0017She was like, oh, you're getting a little fat. <laugh> You know, but I didn't take it serious cause she's-1935.4422
1537 1935.8689she's a little jokester, but1937.2570 
1539 1937.9616yeah. That-1938.8680 
1541 1939.0247that broke my heart when1939.9745 
1543 1940.4423I found out they passed away.1941.9297 
1544VLD_int_011943.7940Um, who else was in your group?1945.5332
1545VLD_se0_ag2_f_011947.2390Mm. <exhale>1948.6098
1547 1950.2783<ts>1950.3757 
1549 1950.5627I remember /RD-NAME-4/.1952.3812 
1551 1952.5258I remember1953.5892 
1553 1954.2501[of course /RD-NAME-4/.]1955.3804 
1554VLD_int_011954.2595[I could not remember her name.]1955.7096
1555 1956.0724I could not remember [/RD-NAME-4/.]1957.4573
1556VLD_se0_ag2_f_011957.2148[Well I] remember her as Moo.1958.4319
1557VLD_int_011958.8235Yep, and that's- that's all I can think [of.]1960.6785
1558VLD_se0_ag2_f_011960.2681[<laugh>]1961.4777
1559VLD_int_011961.7323I couldn't think of her real name. I thought- I was like, all I can think of was Moo, and I was like, that is not that girl's [name.]1965.7331
1560VLD_se0_ag2_f_011965.2845[Mm-hm.]1966.2343
1561 1966.8737<ts> I remember Ashley and Angela.1969.4470
1563 1970.6963Um,1971.4594 
1565 1973.9699/RD-NAME-3/ and /RD-NAME-1/.1975.1797 
1566VLD_int_011975.9913/RD-NAME-1/ was on [TV.]1977.1293
1567VLD_se0_ag2_f_011977.0314[Yeah, I saw] it, I saw it. Yup.1980.4353
1568VLD_int_011977.4686[Did you see it?]1978.3696
1569VLD_se0_ag2_f_011980.9222I- I subscribed to her YouTube channel.1982.9291
1571 1983.1389Um,1983.5285 
1573 1984.1871she's doing a good job.1985.1570 
1574VLD_int_011986.3740[And you were like, I was in Girls] of Grace with her.1987.8271
1575VLD_se0_ag2_f_011986.4160[<ts>]1986.6031
1577 1986.7144[Yeah.]1987.0473 
1578 1988.0191Right. <laugh>1989.6278
1580 1990.3273Yep.1990.6910 
1581VLD_int_011991.4221So talk about- <clears throat>1993.9252
1583 1995.0210because you have a- faith is really big in your life, so [talk about kind] of1999.2074 
1584VLD_se0_ag2_f_011998.3401[Mm-hm.]1998.7947
1585VLD_int_012000.7173your church2002.0089
1587 2002.2001experiences,2003.4917 
1589 2003.9999then and even now. Like, what do you do with your church now.2007.0905 
1590VLD_se0_ag2_f_012007.3461Um, right now at my church I am, um,2010.5029
1592 2011.1268the youth leader.2012.1009 
1594 2012.2599Um,2012.8800 
1596 2013.7334I attend New Harvest United Methodist-2016.0406 
1598 2016.1945I know that's crazy.2016.9125 
1600 2017.4255I was born in a Baptist church. <laugh>2019.9612 
1602 2020.5067But, um, transitioning from a Baptist to a Methodist2023.3155 
1604 2023.7596it's- it's pretty much all the same. We worship the same God, you know, we believe in Jesus Christ, but2028.9215 
1606 2030.1609the church that I'm located2031.7520 
1608 2031.8759(whispering) it's nothing but white people. So it's a little- it can be a little bit2035.4950 
1610 2038.5616harsh, I guess. [Because sometimes] they tend to flip-flop like pancakes.2043.0265 
1611VLD_int_012039.9782[Hm.]2040.4958
1612VLD_se0_ag2_f_012043.4325As far as attitude and, you know,2045.4842
1614 2045.9916comunicating wise. But other than that,2047.9313 
1616 2048.5235um,2049.0187 
1618 2050.2059but yes I'm a youth leader at the church.2052.2273 
1620 2052.6399And what I do now is- what I'm trying to do because,2056.0215 
1622 2056.5092um,2056.9720 
1624 2057.3943I'm trying to bring in more youth at our church,2059.5672 
1626 2059.9682the church right now is dying out because it's nothing but older people.2063.1521 
1627VLD_int_012063.2712Mm-hm.2063.8222
1628VLD_se0_ag2_f_012063.9578And, um,2065.2308
1630 2067.2038my plan is to, um,2069.0303 
1632 2069.7249I guess to start a youth brunch2071.9087 
1634 2072.1487to bring in some more youth, and then2074.4380 
1636 2074.7973have movie nights and parties and have Wednesday night Bible study2079.3138 
1638 2079.7941with 'em. And, um,2081.3284 
1640 2081.7982eventually plan a trip2083.1864 
1642 2083.6447with some of the kids.2084.6676 
1644 2085.2479But, um,2085.9135 
1646 2087.6120compared to the-2088.7824 
1648 2089.8026the church I'm at now to the church I was growing up in,2092.8046 
1650 2093.2569I can say the church that I was growing up in, it was more family oriented2096.7345 
1652 2097.3500because it's like,2098.3199 
1654 2100.1096most of us l- (laughing) lived around each other,2102.4410 
1656 2102.7525(laughing) you know.2103.5126 
1658 2103.9229So it's like,2104.9214 
1660 2106.4540that's my family.2107.3551 
1662 2108.1177Compared to this church,2109.4606 
1664 2109.6149they're still family, but2111.7986 
1666 2112.2155I can say I was closer to the people2114.8361 
1668 2115.4096at the church I was growing up with.2117.0640 
1670 2117.8987Um,2118.4101 
1672 2120.3225but yeah.2120.7690 
1673VLD_int_012121.5908Do you think- how- well let me ask you, how'd you get to New Harvest?2125.0165
1674VLD_se0_ag2_f_012125.2969Um, oh Lord.2126.9205
1676 2127.4129You might say my mom is a2128.4631 
1678 2128.7325church hopper.2129.4144 
1680 2129.7879But, (laughing)2130.5651 
1682 2131.1517um,2131.6646 
1684 2133.7247we were attending- but first it was First Antioch, then after First Antioch we went to2138.3438 
1686 2138.6012New Life Ministries.2140.0543 
1688 2140.5643Um,2141.1812 
1690 2142.0033<ts> after New Life Ministries we went to2144.1545 
1692 2144.5212New Harvest. We left New Life because, um,2147.6047 
1694 2149.2663it was a whole bunch of drama.2150.6278 
1696 2150.7631And my mom, she doesn't like to be around drama like that, especially when it comes down to business.2155.0529 
1698 2155.8625And, um,2156.9178 
1700 2157.2427basically somebody2158.5483 
1702 2159.1591stole an idea of hers,2160.5393 
1704 2160.6746um,2161.1409 
1706 2162.3010about having some type of women's group.2164.2725 
1708 2164.5430And the lady stole the idea and my mom was like, okay that's fine I'm'a still continue to go to church.2169.3488 
1710 2169.8205But then when the lady start2171.4665 
1712 2172.0624regurgitating lies, and that's when my mama said, okay it's time for me to go.2175.4290 
1713VLD_int_012175.6714Mm-hm.2176.0175
1714VLD_se0_ag2_f_012176.1080And we, um,2177.0903
1716 2178.3835we were visiting other churches before we left,2180.3745 
1718 2180.8875um, New Life, and,2182.8972 
1720 2183.5118um,2184.0946 
1722 2185.4329at the time my little sister was playing Upward Basketball.2188.9073 
1724 2189.4039And2190.0533 
1726 2190.5183that's when we met2191.5302 
1728 2191.7819the pastor of New Harvest Methodist,2194.1218 
1730 2194.7093because his daughter was playing basketball with my little sister. And he,2197.7300 
1732 2197.8979you know, invited us to go to New Harvest2199.7304 
1734 2200.2471and that's when we went.2201.6433 
1736 2202.1868It was something totally different because I'm not be- I'm not used to being a whole bunch of white people (laughing) like that.2207.1659 
1737VLD_int_012207.2612Mm-hm.2207.6073
1738VLD_se0_ag2_f_012207.5986But other than that,2208.4835
1739 2209.2633um,2209.7991
1741 2210.8384it was a little strange at first,2213.1699 
1743 2213.6679but the pastor and his wife, they were so warm and welcoming.2217.1749 
1745 2217.8590The people weren't so welcoming2219.9340 
1747 2220.6567that much,2221.4279 
1749 2221.6164but2222.0314 
1751 2222.8325I guess what made us stay2224.2304 
1753 2224.4085was2225.1126 
1755 2226.0545the preacher's faith and, you know,2228.6929 
1757 2229.1638his tenacity in wanting to2230.9903 
1759 2231.2845grow the church and make it bigger and make it2233.8351 
1761 2234.2492culturally diverse.2235.5562 
1763 2235.7600And that's what made us stay because2237.2334 
1765 2237.4713we saw his vision and we wanted to h- well2239.6759 
1767 2240.8183I'm saying we like I'm m- like I'm'a- like I'm m- my parents. But at the time, my parents2244.8135 
1769 2245.0737saw his vision2246.1940 
1771 2246.4539and2247.1347 
1773 2247.4098they was like, okay we'll help you out with this. We're gonna-2249.3067 
1775 2249.6378we're gonna stay.2250.3998 
1777 2250.8688But, um,2251.5776 
1779 2252.4067he's no longer there and we have this new pastor2254.8989 
1781 2255.4282and, um,2256.1426 
1783 2256.9745<ts> our new pastor, he's really good but2258.8350 
1785 2259.2407again, it's still2260.6255 
1787 2260.9193too much drama there.2262.5420 
1789 2263.1044But, um,2263.9324 
1791 2265.1980<ts> I just feel like2266.3824 
1793 2266.7414God is telling me, personally,2268.5367 
1795 2268.9368to stay at New Harvest because2270.7646 
1797 2272.1915there's just so much that2273.9065 
1799 2274.7692God wants to2276.1820 
1801 2276.7873do to this church.2278.0276 
1803 2278.1209Like I,2278.5805 
1805 2278.6944me personally, I feel like God wants this church to grow2281.3001 
1807 2281.5798and to manifest and to actually-2283.5850 
1809 2285.1032<sigh> it just so much2286.6212 
1811 2287.1735I feel personally. Like I don't-2288.9676 
1813 2289.2532I don't know, it's kind of- it's kind of hard to explain2291.3879 
1815 2291.8262to be honest.2292.5443 
1817 2293.1318[Because-]2293.6858 
1818VLD_int_012293.1318[So why don't you] start a Girls of Grace?2294.8888
1819VLD_se0_ag2_f_012296.3809See the way how my- (laughing) /unintelligible/.2299.6674
1820VLD_int_012300.1663People always find a reason, [and make some] excuses.2302.8939
1821VLD_se0_ag2_f_012301.3498[Right.]2302.1005
1822 2303.4014I guess, the only reason why I wouldn't start a Girls of Grace because2307.0609
1824 2307.6522I'm just now getting into the youth ministry.2310.8789 
1826 2311.6521Um,2312.3015 
1828 2312.8644and I feel like I am- I'm still learning myself.2315.6379 
1829VLD_int_012316.3607Bianca.2317.0994
1830VLD_se0_ag2_f_012317.5162[<laugh>]2318.9079
1831VLD_int_012317.5162[Ah.]2318.2224
1832 2318.9430Okay, I was what,2320.2533
1834 2320.8921four or five years older than you guys. Like, it wasn't like I was2323.6847 
1836 2324.3464super understood all about youth ministry, but it was about making that [connection.]2328.2903 
1837VLD_se0_ag2_f_012328.0991[It] m- it seemed like you did, you did a good job. (laughing) [<laugh>]2332.7649
1838VLD_int_012332.0990[<laugh>]2332.5551
1839VLD_se0_ag2_f_012333.3478Like this woman know her stuff.2334.9713
1841 2335.4274But me, personally, it's like,2337.1322 
1843 2338.1310I don't know. I guess another reason is fear.2340.4429 
1845 2341.0351And fear, that's-2342.1542 
1847 2342.2940that's-2342.9282 
1849 2343.2621oh my God I hate2344.2525 
1851 2344.4978being so fearful.2345.5612 
1853 2345.8687But that's what's really holding me back, is fear.2348.4612 
1855 2348.9275Um, but2349.7715 
1857 2350.4701I thank God for being, um,2352.3212 
1859 2352.5870for working at /RD-WORK-3/ because2354.3440 
1861 2356.0740growing up2356.8247 
1863 2357.3591I was-2357.8394 
1865 2357.9420I've2358.4595 
1867 2358.6740always been shy and quiet, and it's like2361.5650 
1869 2361.8681usually when I first meet someone, I'm usually quiet and reserved2365.5276 
1871 2366.1105until, you know,2367.2388 
1873 2367.4656we continue to talk and it's like I open up.2369.7177 
1875 2370.0301But it's like, now I can talk to anybody and be okay with it.2373.1823 
1877 2373.9834Thanks to that job,2375.5175 
1879 2375.9325but, um.2376.4874 
1880VLD_int_012376.5340Tell me a little bit of more about the job.2378.0261
1881VLD_se0_ag2_f_012378.1036<ts>2378.2740
1883 2378.4346Okay, [basically-]2379.9268 
1884VLD_int_012379.1994[And then we gonna come] back to the church cause I ain't forgot.2381.3993
1885VLD_se0_ag2_f_012381.5961[<laugh>]2382.6331
1886VLD_int_012381.5961[Then we'll come back.]2382.3561
1887VLD_se0_ag2_f_012383.2747basically /RD-WORK-3/, um, we were up on a contract with, um,2387.8108
1889 2389.0214the J- the2390.2390 
1891 2390.5974Juvenile Justice Department2392.5185 
1892VLD_int_012392.5185Mm-hm.2393.0175
1893VLD_se0_ag2_f_012393.1014and, um,2393.9781
1895 2394.8677<ts> we would track kids that were on-2397.0733 
1897 2397.5116that was on house arrest.2398.8105 
1899 2399.2724And what we would do is we would just come by and see if they still had they ankle monitor on,2403.4270 
1901 2403.9539remind them to charge it up,2405.6444 
1903 2405.7715and to remind them like, look okay2407.7719 
1905 2408.6150you need to do the right thing2409.9113 
1907 2410.1025or you still gonna have this ankle monitor on. We were basically almost like mentors as well.2414.0370 
1909 2414.7132Um,2415.2447 
1911 2416.3583<ts> what else? (whispered)2416.9738 
1913 2418.3167Yeah, pretty much. And like we'll always keep a case load of different things that will go on with the kids.2423.8544 
1915 2424.4373Um,2425.1273 
1917 2425.4444but me, personally, I took the job more serious2428.3205 
1919 2428.6050than everybody else because2430.0824 
1921 2430.7761just watching how some of these kids2432.8697 
1923 2433.4200were living2434.3059 
1925 2434.4505it's like, oh my gosh I wanna help these kids get out their situation.2437.9747 
1927 2438.3058Even if that means like, look2439.7913 
1929 2440.2819telling Jimmy2441.0729 
1931 2441.3917dude, do whatchu have to do. If you need a-2443.1939 
1933 2443.8202a tutor or something, I'll- I'll hook you up with a tutor, you know. I will- I will go over and beyond to help some of these kids.2449.6097 
1935 2450.1506And2450.9461 
1937 2452.4074like this one story, this one kid,2454.2530 
1939 2455.4141none of my coworkers knew he was getting raped.2457.5004 
1941 2458.1914I'm the only person he told2460.0145 
1943 2460.1404that he was getting raped.2461.0637 
1945 2461.4880And-2462.0238 
1947 2463.0632I don't wanna cry again, shut up. (whispered)2464.7761 
1949 2465.9122<sigh>2466.8075 
1951 2468.4946Um, but his mom was a addict,2470.4672 
1953 2470.8167his stepdad-2471.8425 
1955 2472.4002he finally told me at the last minute2473.9914 
1957 2474.2607that his stepdad was raping him.2475.9006 
1959 2476.3171So, um,2477.3849 
1961 2480.2927it took everything in me to not2482.5982 
1963 2483.1045jump on that man,2484.2247 
1965 2484.4800because I've been sexually assaulted when I was young2487.0017 
1967 2487.4027so2488.0359 
1969 2488.8016I called my manager2489.9012 
1971 2490.2276and she called the cops.2491.5238 
1973 2492.1627And2492.7502 
1975 2494.7021to this day, I don't know what happened to that young man because2497.2836 
1977 2497.6398I left the job,2498.8087 
1979 2499.4396but2499.7987 
1981 2500.1801I just pray and hope that he's okay.2501.8588 
1983 2502.0465Because2502.8193 
1985 2504.6361just watching him like,2505.9430 
1987 2506.5105we're not supposed to touch and hug kids, but he2509.0352 
1989 2509.4015actually ran up to me the night2511.0657 
1991 2512.0865after2512.6304 
1993 2512.8605the situation happened. Like,2514.2818 
1995 2515.1398w- not after but during-2516.4386 
1997 2516.8501after the dad did his2518.7254 
1999 2518.9624do with that kid, he actually ran up to me2521.8037 
2001 2522.0250and he grabbed and hugged me. And it's like-2524.5578 
2003 2526.9333it's like, why would you do that to a kid, he didn't ask-2529.1481 
2005 2529.7030he didn't ask for that. Like,2530.9611 
2007 2533.7253the only thing he could say was,2535.1229 
2009 2535.5858Miss /RD-NAME-2/ can you please help me?2537.9536 
2011 2538.3313Can you please help me? And I'm like, what's going on?2541.5245 
2013 2541.9815He was like, he did it again, he did it again.2544.4109 
2015 2545.0161And2545.5384 
2017 2545.9114I was so livid, like I got that kid and I drove off2549.3797 
2019 2549.6175because2550.3263 
2021 2557.5566I probably woulda killed that man,2559.2017 
2023 2559.3416to be honest.2560.2136 
2025 2560.9130<cough> I probably woulda killed him.2562.4042 
2027 2563.0337<ts>2563.2109 
2029 2563.3508But, um,2564.0875 
2031 2566.6232yeah.2566.9823 
2033 2567.8682Working at /RD-WORK-3/, it was-2569.7432 
2035 2569.9003it was little bit of traumatic, but at the same time2572.6048 
2037 2572.8874I can say I2573.8247 
2039 2574.1324helped a lot of kids,2575.5173 
2041 2575.7272as far as, um,2576.9651 
2043 2577.4478mentoring them and2578.8656 
2045 2579.1264telling them2579.9555 
2047 2580.1047what to do.2580.9673 
2049 2581.6108Um,2582.1611 
2051 2583.4704and how to2584.1583 
2053 2584.6455<ts> live their life right. But it's this one kid I still2587.5869 
2055 2587.8060keep in touch with, um,2589.1354 
2057 2589.9780he was2590.7660 
2059 2591.4608strung out on drugs. And2593.4612 
2061 2594.6624his mom,2595.5064 
2063 2595.8048um,2596.2665 
2065 2596.5742text me sometimes and2598.1409 
2067 2598.9383she, um, talks to my sister2600.8772 
2069 2601.0357at times and2602.0942 
2071 2603.1806<ts> right now he's doing a whole lot better.2604.9376 
2073 2605.8749He's in college2607.1650 
2075 2607.3381and2608.0049 
2077 2608.9655he's just doing his thing.2610.1308 
2079 2610.3261And I- I couldn't be2611.5046 
2081 2612.3405prouder,2612.9514 
2083 2613.9585but.2614.2648 
2084VLD_int_012616.0271So how is2616.9453
2086 2617.5565that any different from what I did?2619.4707 
2087VLD_se0_ag2_f_012619.9998I- you have a point there. <laugh>2622.6055
2088VLD_int_012622.9552H- how is that any- when you guys needed hugs,2625.2531
2090 2625.4256when we did our a little one-on-one session and we stayed up talking til four AM.2628.9079 
2091VLD_se0_ag2_f_012629.0665[Yeah.]2629.5367
2092VLD_int_012629.1644[Like how] is that any different from that?2631.1366
2093 2632.1011It's not.2632.9690
2095 2634.2132It's just we call it something different, right?2636.2278 
2096VLD_se0_ag2_f_012636.2828Yeah.2636.7165
2097VLD_int_012636.7165But everything that you just- is what I did for you girls. When there was an [issue, you guys] called me at one o'clock in the morning,2642.6832
2098VLD_se0_ag2_f_012640.2491[Mm-hm.]2640.8786
2099VLD_int_012642.9443when there- you know, it was beyond that week in the summer, right? [Like,]2646.2235
2100VLD_se0_ag2_f_012646.1468[Right.]2646.6317
2101VLD_int_012646.5058[it was] so much more than that,2648.0620
2102 2648.4540but that's exactly whatchu were doing for those young people.2650.6251
2104 2650.7808And that's- it's- that's the same thing,2652.6703 
2106 2653.0414I had to get up early and do my Bible study so that I could be able to teach you guys like, right? That's the same thing that you're doing for-2658.2583 
2108 2658.7619what you're doing- whatchu did at the job, also what you're doing for these young people. Like, you're giving them a lifeline, you're making them- that's why I started Girls of Grace, is to get the2665.8685 
2110 2666.5649girls excited to come to church.2668.1969 
2111VLD_se0_ag2_f_012668.3274[Right.]2668.7937
2112VLD_int_012668.4711[Right,] and be- and know each other cause we were all in- and nobody seemed to really know each other.2672.6957
2113VLD_se0_ag2_f_012672.9186[Mm-hm.]2673.8652
2114VLD_int_012672.9186[<clears throat> Like the older children-] like me, /RD-NAME-2/, /RD-NAME1/- like cause we all were cousins,2677.0960
2115VLD_se0_ag2_f_012677.1190[Mm-hm.]2677.7624
2116VLD_int_012677.3941[and so] like, we all knew each other cause my mom was the choir director.2680.3457
2117 2680.6656But then after that group, like y'all's age, nobody really- and /RD-NAME-3/, like we were all in that group, but then nobody-2685.8135
2119 2686.0046the- the next group, y'all didn't know each other so that was the whole point.2689.0999 
2121 2689.4030Was- I'm not gonna have y'all sitting in here on [Sundays acting like y'all don't know each other, it's- it's not gonna happen.]2694.0745 
2122VLD_se0_ag2_f_012691.4957[<laugh>]2693.9577
2123 2694.1433[Right.]2694.5677
2124VLD_int_012694.4651[And] so that was the whole thing of making it2697.4811
2125 2697.6116about2698.2318
2127 2698.5862community.2699.2320 
2129 2699.5607[And to me,] that's what you're trying to do.2701.6607 
2130VLD_se0_ag2_f_012699.5785[Mm-hm.]2700.3618
2131 2702.0685Yeah.2702.4648
2133 2704.0773[<laugh>]2707.3931 
2134VLD_int_012704.0773[We- it's no different. I'm sorry, I just wanted to make sure you understood] that it was,2707.9651
2135 2708.4315cause I think you miss it. It's no different.2710.3759
2136VLD_se0_ag2_f_012710.6510Right.2710.9979
2137VLD_int_012711.2526So,2711.7765
2139 2712.1003this is one thing I've a- stop being afraid to succeed.2714.8001 
2141 2715.1303Stop being afraid of being amazing.2717.8674 
2143 2718.7524You're the only one standing in your way.2720.6492 
2145 2722.1601You're the- and I told you that2723.4090 
2147 2723.5403fifteen years ago.2724.6077 
2149 2725.6098And I'm telling you now, you're the only one standing in [/RD-NAME-8/'s way.]2729.6842 
2151 2729.8652You're the only one.2731.1894 
2153 2732.9427And I think2733.6934 
2155 2733.8240you have so much to give.2736.2430 
2157 2736.9688And you can't be afraid to do that.2739.0921 
2159 2742.6994Like, you are one of the most2744.4612 
2161 2745.1474amazing, compassionate,2747.3931 
2163 2748.0553thoughtful,2748.9226 
2165 2749.4396people2750.1289 
2167 2750.5266that I know. And I know I haven't chat with you as much, like as you've grown, but just seeing the things that you're doing and2756.2284 
2169 2756.5912I think2757.0995 
2170VLD_se0_ag2_f_012757.3839<clears throat>2757.7017
2171VLD_int_012757.7017at the-2758.0080
2173 2758.2093at the essence of who people are, they don't change you they are, right.2761.3083 
2174VLD_se0_ag2_f_012761.3620[Right.]2761.7606
2175VLD_int_012761.4342[Things] happen to you and2763.0569
2176 2763.2574you can, you know, life will2765.0946
2178 2765.3650change your path,2766.4002 
2180 2766.7397but the core of who you are? An apple is still an apple everyday of the week. A dog is a dog, right?2771.4750 
2181VLD_se0_ag2_f_012771.4750Right.2771.8857
2182VLD_int_012772.0302A zebra will have stripes everyday of the week, it might put on like a little- you might put something over it, but it will still have the stripes.2777.4112
2184 2777.7321You can't change who you are, so stop being afraid to be wonderful.2781.0598 
2185VLD_se0_ag2_f_012783.0506[Yeah.]2783.6064
2186VLD_int_012783.2138[You have-] you have so much2784.6686
2187VLD_se0_ag2_f_012784.6733<laugh>2785.2515
2188VLD_int_012785.9836to share.2787.0234
2190 2787.5541Um,2788.4587 
2192 2789.0415<ts> so when I talk to you again2790.9300 
2194 2791.2042you're gonna tell me that y'all started Girls of [Grace at the- or you can call it whatever you wanna call it.]2795.8793 
2195VLD_se0_ag2_f_012793.0638[<laugh>]2795.8793
2196VLD_int_012796.4491Um, [with the kids] I think- because I think ultimately it's about2800.0339
2197VLD_se0_ag2_f_012797.2269[<laugh>]2797.9815
2198VLD_int_012800.2102experience, [right? And]2801.8749
2199VLD_se0_ag2_f_012801.2281[Right.]2801.7117
2200VLD_int_012802.2479doing new things and,2804.1681
2202 2804.3593um, or even old things, like we went to the peach field.2807.3715 
2204 2807.7539But we went and it was hot, and we wanted to complain, but we had fun2811.6689 
2206 2811.8508doing- picking peaches.2813.1877 
2208 2814.5310That doesn't take a lot of money, that takes2816.0519 
2210 2816.8252five dollars to- for gas to ride down [there.]2819.2944 
2211VLD_se0_ag2_f_012819.1650[Right.]2819.6686
2212VLD_int_012820.3960Um,2821.1362
2214 2821.4592so2821.9192 
2216 2822.1679that's what I think.2823.1882 
2217VLD_se0_ag2_f_012823.5799<ts> Yeah.2824.2933
2219 2824.9452I just have to get over the whole f-2826.4793 
2221 2826.8663fear and2828.1420 
2223 2829.1083fear of failing.2830.6495 
2225 2831.7792Because2832.5760 
2227 2833.0289throughout my life, only thing I've seen is2835.6803 
2229 2837.6955failing and failure, it's like, dang girl you can't-2841.0286 
2231 2841.4156you can't even get a simple bachelor's degree. And I guess because2845.4621 
2233 2846.0310I'm-2846.4227 
2235 2846.5999my mom and my dad-2848.3662 
2237 2848.7392well my dad doesn't care. My dad feels like2850.8653 
2239 2851.2414if you have a business and you make money, that's success.2853.6316 
2241 2854.0205But in my mom's opinion, she believes that having2857.0607 
2243 2857.3955degrees means success.2859.1115 
2245 2859.4705And I can understand that because she doesn't have a high school diploma,2862.0715 
2247 2862.7709and she wants the best for her kids.2865.4419 
2249 2865.8988But2866.4444 
2251 2866.8874I try to tell her like,2868.3096 
2253 2868.7143school is not for everybody. (laughing)2870.6587 
2255 2871.4226But,2872.0031 
2257 2872.8867I don't wanna keep saying that to myself because then I wouldn't wanna go back to school, but I feel like me, personally,2879.0204 
2259 2879.5295eventually I'm'a have to go back to school.2881.3668 
2261 2882.0233But2882.4243 
2263 2884.2195just being on this pedestal of2886.2330 
2265 2886.7552you need to do this, you need to do that, you need to be married by this2890.5763 
2267 2890.7186age, you need to have kids by this age-2893.0538 
2269 2893.9249it's a little bit difficult, especially coming from your mom and your grandma.2898.2119 
2271 2898.7361It's like,2899.5895 
2273 2900.2265come on girl get it together.2901.6153 
2275 2902.3341And then when your birth father comes in and2904.6735 
2277 2905.4527puts all that expectation on you, it's like,2908.3577 
2279 2908.8100well Jesus. Can I just be me for once? You know, instead of2912.8751 
2281 2913.3125doing what everybody else wants me to do, can I do what I wanna do for once, so.2917.9139 
2283 2918.5154I'm in that space right now,2920.8214 
2285 2921.2982in my life,2922.1167 
2287 2922.8598so.2923.2836 
2288VLD_int_012923.7454And what's that? What do you want to do? What is- what do you want to do?2926.9348
2289VLD_se0_ag2_f_012927.1390What I want to is actually what I'm doing a little bit now,2930.6455
2291 2930.7929as far as misson work2932.2851 
2293 2932.6021and2933.3249 
2295 2933.7306dipping- dipping my toe inside of youth ministry.2936.6356 
2297 2937.3387Um,2937.8627 
2299 2938.1128that's what I really wanna do.2939.4552 
2301 2939.8978I really wanna2940.9195 
2303 2941.1754give back to the community.2942.4297 
2305 2942.7748This might sound crazy but2944.2847 
2307 2944.5225I actually wanna have a organization where I feed the homeless2947.5860 
2309 2947.8462in our city.2948.6109 
2311 2949.0959Um,2949.6414 
2313 2950.0191just stuff like that. That's what I really2952.2937 
2315 2952.5269want to do, but2953.7677 
2317 2954.5496it takes <laugh> money and that's something I don't have at the moment.2957.9978 
2319 2958.4656And2959.0127 
2321 2959.3375I already owe like,2960.2095 
2323 2960.3680twenty thousand for school. (laughing)2962.2603 
2325 2962.6053And I guess that's another reason why I haven't been back to school, because2964.9636 
2327 2965.8405it's just too much.2966.9318 
2329 2967.4865But2967.8548 
2331 2968.1160that's what I really want to do. I wanna2970.2880 
2333 2970.6797continue to do mission work and,2972.5029 
2335 2973.2984um,2973.8354 
2337 2974.6087do th- youth ministry and,2976.8002 
2339 2978.4649<ts> um,2979.0570 
2341 2979.5738homeless-2980.2921 
2343 2980.9213homeslessness stuff, like feeding the homeless,2983.0523 
2345 2983.1997so.2983.5668 
2346VLD_int_012986.3285Why did you say, it sounds crazy, when you said2988.7066
2348 2989.0321whatchu wanted to do. That doesn't sound crazy.2990.9477 
2350 2991.7412Sounds amazing.2992.7643 
2351VLD_se0_ag2_f_012993.8992I guess it sounds crazy- <sigh> I don't know.2996.4685
2353 2996.9199I don't know.2997.5454 
2355 2997.6799<laugh>2998.2517 
2356VLD_int_012998.3327Once again, [stop- stop] being in your own way.3001.4340
2357VLD_se0_ag2_f_012999.1525[<laugh>]2999.6188
2358VLD_int_013001.6425Because think3002.4958
2360 3002.6767all the things that you're trying to do, right, you-3004.6398 
2361VLD_se0_ag2_f_013004.6398[Mm-hm.]3005.0241
2362VLD_int_013004.9569[it's] clear, like all of them have the same message. You wanna3007.3410
2363 3008.0606<ts>3008.2231
2365 3008.5409help people.3009.4682 
2367 3009.8325You wanna, you know, make people lives as3012.2059 
2369 3012.5836much- better as it- as you can, like whatchu, you know, you can only control whatchu can control.3017.1158 
2370VLD_se0_ag2_f_013017.2549Mm-hm.3017.6961
2371VLD_int_013017.6961Um,3018.4043
2373 3018.5541and I think- I think it's part of-3020.8156 
2375 3021.0301and then the definition of success, I think that was really interesting what you said, you know, for you dad it was really about making money,3026.1257 
2377 3026.3495and then for your mom.3027.3660 
2379 3028.5681Our parents want us to be better than they were, right?3030.4893 
2380VLD_se0_ag2_f_013030.4893Right.3030.8622
2381VLD_int_013030.8940And because she didn't graduate from high school,3033.1536
2383 3033.4204um, she wants3034.5908 
2385 3034.7493you- like the definition of success [for her. Like,]3037.3885 
2386VLD_se0_ag2_f_013036.7591[Mm-hm.]3037.4382
2387VLD_int_013037.5517these pieces of paper.3038.7023
2389 3039.5372Um,3040.2693 
2391 3040.3766I have a lot of pieces of paper,3041.9526 
2392VLD_se0_ag2_f_013042.2455[Mm-hm.]3042.7853
2393VLD_int_013042.2455[doesn't mean I'm] successful.3043.6807
2394VLD_se0_ag2_f_013043.8075Mm-hm.3044.2039
2395VLD_int_013044.2039Um,3044.9127
2397 3045.4806d- you know, cause definitions are gonna change,3048.0841 
2399 3048.3987and so what I want you to do3050.5017 
2401 3050.8607is3051.3991 
2403 3052.3752think about what defines success3054.3103 
2405 3054.6041for you.3055.3035 
2407 3056.8367And I get it, I totally get it, you- you know, you want your parents to be happy, all that.3061.4008 
2409 3062.1646I want my mom to be happy,3063.3720 
2411 3063.6194you know,3064.0773 
2413 3064.9344but at the end of the day3066.0981 
2415 3066.4909you're only going to be successful3068.0132 
2417 3068.2068when you define your success and you're working toward that. And when you're really3071.2508 
2419 3071.6565like, living your best life.3073.1817 
2420VLD_se0_ag2_f_013073.3986[Right.]3073.7856
2421VLD_int_013073.4032[In-] in the path that you're like, this is where I feel good,3076.1780
2422 3076.4061right?3076.7791
2424 3076.9097We talked about the mission trip, like that and- or doing mission work.3080.1365 
2425VLD_se0_ag2_f_013080.3118[Mm-hm.]3080.6529
2426VLD_int_013080.3118[And so how'd] you get into mission work, and then what do you have coming up that's exciting?3083.4044
2427VLD_se0_ag2_f_013083.5199Um, <exhale>3084.8884
2429 3085.4783when did I get into mission work?3087.3575 
2431 3088.3022I can say it started with Girls of Grace,3090.3259 
2433 3090.6663my first experience with (laughing) mission work.3092.9931 
2435 3093.3746It always go back to Girls of Grace.3094.6842 
2437 3095.0579But, um, Girls of Grace, um,3097.2672 
2439 3097.4537but more recently3098.8666 
2441 3098.9645I got into mission work two years ago3100.9730 
2443 3101.4060with3101.8283 
2445 3101.9656our pastor.3102.8610 
2447 3103.3458We change pastors at that church like drawers. (whispered)3105.6306 
2449 3105.9757But, (laughing)3106.6751 
2451 3106.9502we, um,3107.7469 
2453 3108.8229<ts>3109.0327 
2455 3109.5270our old pastor, she would go to Mexico or, um,3114.0780 
2457 3115.1542where else did she go? (whispered)3115.9982 
2459 3116.1381Panama,3116.7287 
2461 3117.3262and two years ago she went to the Dominican Republic.3120.0820 
2463 3120.4923And in the Dominican Republic, the United Methodist Church3123.3298 
2465 3123.5680has, um,3124.8132 
2467 3125.9927ties3126.8460 
2469 3127.2097with the United Methodist Church,3128.7379 
2471 3128.8875um,3129.4564 
2473 3130.1791with an- nother church in the Dominican Republic, I think that's how it goes.3133.6754 
2475 3134.2023But, um,3134.9526 
2477 3135.3858our district basically3137.0504 
2479 3137.3115sends them money3138.4306 
2481 3138.7850and3139.5701 
2483 3139.8417sometimes they send people to show them how to build certain things.3143.8238 
2485 3144.4020So the first time I went down there,3146.5816 
2487 3146.9228we went to do Bible study,3148.4382 
2489 3148.7320um,3149.1950 
2491 3149.3429and Vacation Bible School3150.8863 
2493 3151.3339with the kids. Um,3152.9846 
2495 3153.5796<ts> We also did a little bit of building too, but they didn't want the women3156.8856 
2497 3157.3193to do too much building because of,3159.2823 
2499 3159.6638you know, they feel like women shouldn't3161.1000 
2501 3161.4217have a hammer in they hands.3162.7227 
2503 3162.9278And I can understand that, you gotta respect their culture.3164.9087 
2505 3165.4076But, um,3166.0476 
2507 3167.0751that's what we were doing there last time. This go around, we're going back3170.8147 
2509 3171.2857and we're basically doing the same thing,3173.1723 
2511 3173.5658um,3174.0788 
2513 3174.2961but I'm gonna teach the kids how to make jump ropes out of t-shirts.3177.9985 
2515 3178.6186Where they can make the jump ropes and they can possibly sell the jump ropes,3182.7387 
2517 3183.1640because3183.7844 
2519 3183.9894they need to learn how to3184.8978 
2521 3185.2241build their economy down there.3186.6230 
2523 3187.2152Um, I'm also gonna teach them how to make3189.4245 
2525 3189.7089homemade maracas.3191.2255 
2527 3191.6898And,3192.3298 
2529 3192.5524um, we're gonna do Bible studies with 'em.3194.1937 
2531 3194.7393Um, then we're gonna go to, um, two of the poor schools.3197.4569 
2533 3197.8579We're gonna build I think six benches3200.6454 
2535 3201.0417and nine tables?3202.8920 
2537 3203.5999<ts> I think,3204.0890 
2539 3205.2048so. <exhale>3206.4582 
2541 3206.8919Yeah.3207.3162 
2543 3207.4794That's what we're doing3208.3347 
2545 3208.4484down there.3208.9706 
2547 3209.4229Um, two of the poor schools, they are really poor. They don't have3212.7933 
2549 3213.3109running water,3214.6351 
2551 3215.5817I don't- I don't even think they have a outhouse3217.5112 
2553 3218.2060in their facility. Um,3219.8464 
2555 3221.0355<ts>3221.1707 
2557 3221.3246but we did help them buy, uh,3223.6437 
2559 3224.9887this like- some type of, uh,3226.9276 
2561 3228.0597I don't know how to describe it, but it's like, basically they back their breads in it.3231.5569 
2563 3231.9066It's like, some type of clay3233.3755 
2565 3233.6114dome.3234.2969 
2567 3234.6839We did help them, um,3236.2797 
2569 3237.5283buy that.3238.3863 
2571 3238.9318But, um,3239.7039 
2573 3240.1199we're gonna go down there and help them do that, and we probably gonna3243.5052 
2575 3243.6582give them some money3244.7120 
2577 3244.9871so they can buy an outhouse.3246.6735 
2578VLD_int_013246.8768Mm.3247.3068
2579VLD_se0_ag2_f_013247.3410So they can go to the bathroom at least, instead of digging a hole somewhere and3251.1823
2581 3251.4714using the bathroom3252.6651 
2583 3253.0008God knows where.3254.0173 
2585 3254.5611So, um,3255.3631 
2587 3256.3563that's what I'm gonna be doing in the next3258.2867 
2589 3259.0328two weeks.3259.8815 
2591 3260.8644Yeah, I'll be leaving in two weeks.3262.3659 
2593 3263.7647So, yeah.3264.4135 
2594VLD_int_013264.5061What's your ultimate dream job?3266.1746
2595VLD_se0_ag2_f_013267.2610Oh, man. (sighing)3269.3864
2597 3270.5465<ts>3270.6888 
2599 3271.0874My ultimate dream job3273.0925 
2601 3274.7562/RD-NAME-2/ why you got me doing this?3276.8545 
2603 3279.2961My ultimate dream job, I would say is to have an organization where-3284.0103 
2605 3285.6554just a building where I can have3287.5289 
2607 3288.6769people to come in if they're hungry, if they need supplies, if they need help3293.1072 
2609 3293.8696applying for college, if they need help3296.3587 
2611 3298.0597with anything. With living assistance, anything, they can come in for free3302.1864 
2613 3303.1554and we'll help them with that.3304.7314 
2615 3306.0501That's my dream job. (crying)3307.3697 
2617 3315.7136So,3316.3217 
2619 3318.4554yeah.3319.1346 
2621 3329.4525[<laugh>]3330.8551 
2622VLD_int_013330.3608[You know there's] money out there for that, right?3332.1612
2623 3332.3162<clears throat>3333.1119
2624VLD_se0_ag2_f_013333.4756No I did not.3334.4535
2625VLD_int_013335.6197There is.3336.4628
2627 3337.7310There's a lot of money, um, private and3341.4138 
2629 3341.9361government-3342.9806 
2631 3343.4926Mm, /??/ goes with the government right now, but3345.7587 
2632VLD_se0_ag2_f_013346.0726[Right. <laugh>]3347.7687
2633VLD_int_013346.0758[They were-]3346.5468
2634 3347.9541Um, there is a lot of money out3350.5466
2636 3350.6903there to do those types of things and [get that] support. Especially,3354.1035 
2637VLD_se0_ag2_f_013352.7183[Mm-hm.]3353.0690
2638VLD_int_013354.3124um, because the ROI is going to be high, right?3356.6121
2640 3356.8770When you're saving someone's life,3358.6714 
2642 3358.9371there's money, you know, cause people want-3360.7836 
2644 3361.6780well you have to l- get like, the3363.0955 
2646 3363.2401s- humanitarian centers and things like that, but people3365.8504 
2648 3366.2824give money to help3367.3172 
2650 3367.4918do those types of things.3368.8580 
2652 3369.2292And so I think, ultimately,3371.1736 
2654 3371.7239when you decide3372.7683 
2656 3372.9595how you wanna succeed,3374.4441 
2658 3376.4362then3377.3035 
2660 3378.0356you can start looking for3379.4345 
2662 3379.7655things that help you get to that3381.2790 
2663VLD_se0_ag2_f_013381.4442[Mm-hm.]3381.8350
2664VLD_int_013381.5421[level of] success. When your definition of success is what3384.2142
2665 3384.5674is your definition of success,3386.0927
2667 3386.4354and you're working and you're walking in3388.2306 
2669 3388.3985your light and your path,3389.9571 
2671 3390.3196there's money there, right. And so all these things that you're doing now are just setting you up for that, setting you up for that, right? Because [now you're learning] how to-3397.0557 
2672VLD_se0_ag2_f_013395.7361[Right.]3396.1105
2673VLD_int_013397.4894like you're teaching these kids how to make money so they can go and have money in their pockets or give to their families.3402.9301
2675 3403.9783What's something that like- that3405.1509 
2677 3405.4051at the end of the day, all of them will have old, ratty t-shirts, right, or [old, ratty] clothes.3409.2511 
2678VLD_se0_ag2_f_013408.2346[Right.]3408.7237
2679VLD_int_013409.4703Okay, so turn that into something that can be profitable.3411.6703
2680VLD_se0_ag2_f_013411.7309Mm-hm.3412.2485
2681VLD_int_013412.7614You're giving those skills, right. People with pay-3415.1945
2683 3415.3251for like, work for- that's like you're teaching them kind of how to be entrepreneurs. How to,3419.4182 
2685 3419.6420um, make money, /say/ to stimulate the economy. All those things are available to-3423.6092 
2687 3424.6295<ts> there i- there is money to help, so I mean you'll have to frame it differently, right? Like you'll have to think about3429.1385 
2689 3429.3941how, you know, you have to say, what is this person want to hear for them to give me the money.3433.3287 
2691 3433.5292So they're- if this person's more interested in3435.7991 
2693 3436.2048me feeding the homeless, well part of my facility3438.9736 
2695 3439.1975will be, um,3440.3889 
2697 3440.5497you know, homeless outreach. If this [person's more] interested in making sure that, you know, people3444.7859 
2698VLD_se0_ag2_f_013442.5436[Mm-hm.]3442.9353
2699VLD_int_013444.9916have job skills, part of my facility will be3447.6821
2701 3449.0335resume writing and interview skills,3452.0762 
2702VLD_se0_ag2_f_013452.0821[Right.]3452.3572
2703VLD_int_013452.3012[right.] And it could- all those things, it could be like you take one guy,3455.4898
2704 3455.6110you know, you take Bobby3456.7114
2706 3456.8280and Bobby comes in. Bobby's homeless, he doesn't have any food, you give him food, and-3460.1900 
2708 3460.3523and then he goes to workshops like, you know.3462.5102 
2710 3462.7201All those things could be housed under one thing, it's really just about how you're going to market3466.4868 
2712 3466.8365yourself and your ideas, so people will give you money. Because it's not- these aren't thing that-3470.9842 
2714 3472.4591that are like, you're trying to, you know,3474.4353 
2716 3474.6358take this water bottle to Mars tomorrow.3476.5429 
2717VLD_se0_ag2_f_013476.6119[Right.]3477.1248
2718VLD_int_013476.7565[Like these are] things that are very tangible3478.6263
2719 3479.3071things that will be very helpful to the community, and I [think you can do] it.3482.6961
2720VLD_se0_ag2_f_013481.9733[Right.]3482.4490
2721VLD_int_013482.9805Actually I- no, I know you [can do it.]3485.0188
2722VLD_se0_ag2_f_013484.3459[<laugh>]3485.3675
2723VLD_int_013485.5946When- when you're ready to really get serious about it,3488.6162
2724VLD_se0_ag2_f_013488.7421[Mm-hm.]3489.1804
2725VLD_int_013488.7421[let's have a] conversation.3489.8239
2726VLD_se0_ag2_f_013490.4151[Mkay.]3490.8068
2727VLD_int_013490.4151[Um,] and let's think about3492.3408
2728 3493.0021ways that we can get you, you know, you're a non-profit so you can do- you can get your five-o-one C three so you can get- apply for grants,3499.7298
2730 3500.1262and- and start thinking about like, h-3502.0426 
2732 3502.2236like, what-3502.9043 
2734 3503.0909even to start small and then, you know, build up and build up.3505.9483 
2735VLD_se0_ag2_f_013506.3493[Right.]3506.7194
2736VLD_int_013506.4799[How did] you get into- one of the things- cause I know that3509.7197
2737 3510.3492food and like,3512.0007
2739 3513.0248um,3513.5517 
2741 3513.9294fellowship around food is really important to you.3515.9227 
2742VLD_se0_ag2_f_013515.9428[Mm-hm.]3516.3205
2743VLD_int_013516.2599[How] did that come about, was it a family tradition or something that you, just?3519.4677
2744VLD_se0_ag2_f_013519.8867It was a family tradition. In growing up,3522.1194
2746 3522.3059that's all we did. Like, um,3524.7306 
2748 3525.5690<ts> of course, you know, my mom used to be a caterer.3527.3969 
2750 3527.8165And3528.6046 
2752 3529.0979during the holidays sometimes my mom,3531.1064 
2754 3531.6345she would make this big spread and she would invite the entire family over or3536.0536 
2756 3536.3740neighbors over,3537.4305 
2758 3537.5630but3537.8475 
2760 3538.0060that's where it started at. It started at home3539.8758 
2762 3540.2255and3540.7843 
2764 3541.5824yeah.3542.0207 
2766 3542.9897Mom, thanks mom.3544.0296 
2768 3544.1834[<laugh>]3545.2059 
2769VLD_int_013544.8036[Did she teach you] how to cook?3545.8285
2770VLD_se0_ag2_f_013545.8285Oh yeah, I learn everything from my mom.3547.7543
2771VLD_int_013548.7475Tell me about-3549.7053
2773 3550.2658do you have like, a memory of like, when you first- or even3553.0542 
2774VLD_se0_ag2_f_013553.3480Mmm-hm.3553.5718
2775VLD_int_013553.5718one of your favorite times cooking with your mom?3555.1653
2776VLD_se0_ag2_f_013555.3204<ts>3555.4463
2778 3556.1364Um,3556.9708 
2780 3560.0001I can say when I was younger I enjoyed cooking with my mom. Like, my first time-3564.7501 
2782 3565.1191I think the first dish she taught me how to cook was macaroni and cheese.3568.8485 
2784 3569.9947When I was younger,3570.9785 
2786 3571.1511aroung thirteen, fourteen- it was fun. But now3573.6109 
2788 3573.9535it's so aggravating, because my mom like, no you don't do that you do this, you know.3577.8603 
2790 3578.3161It's a little different now, it's like-3580.1393 
2792 3583.7242like, mom lemme do this I'm an adult now. I- I know my taste buds, let me- let me do it, mkay, you just sit back now.3589.8215 
2794 3590.3111But, um,3591.0571 
2796 3591.6950<ts> making macaroni and cheese at the time,3593.5742 
2798 3594.3669it was really fun because3596.1359 
2800 3598.3416she was also3600.0622 
2802 3600.4353talking to- well she was teaching me how to make the recipe3603.1304 
2804 3603.4661but she was also telling me things about life.3606.2910 
2806 3606.5474You know, it's almost like a3608.0454 
2808 3608.6131counseling session, I guess.3610.3849 
2810 3610.7515Like, you- we would cook and talk about life,3613.5912 
2812 3614.1228and3614.7149 
2814 3615.6010that's one the things I can remember about3617.7543 
2816 3618.2439making that dish with my mom. I- I remember most the things that we were3621.2832 
2818 3621.6423talking about, instead of3623.2920 
2820 3623.5252<laugh> the recipe of the mac and cheese.3625.4902 
2822 3625.8146Granted, I still remember the recipe, but3627.9930 
2824 3628.4343just3629.0917 
2826 3629.8378talking to her about3631.0111 
2828 3631.4960you know, growing up and3633.1795 
2830 3633.7575talking about how to be a woman. Talking about,3636.1207 
2832 3636.2186you know, whatchu gotta do when you get married and have kids, like, stuff like that I remember.3640.9552 
2833VLD_int_013641.7806How old were you when your mom got remarried?3643.5151
2834VLD_se0_ag2_f_013643.8779<ts>3644.0411
2836 3645.2442Mm,3646.2775 
2838 3648.4560<ts>3649.4912 
2840 3650.4135I think I was four,3651.9383 
2842 3652.4699four or five3653.6216 
2844 3654.3061around that time.3655.2714 
2846 3655.7750Because me and /RD-NAME-3/ are four years ap-3657.1093 
2848 3657.2111no,3657.4583 
2850 3657.7698five years apart,3658.8785 
2852 3659.1220so I think around that time.3660.4034 
2853VLD_int_013660.4500Do you remember it?3661.2250
2854VLD_se0_ag2_f_013663.3457Not [really.]3663.9929
2855VLD_int_013663.8810[Not] really?3664.5292
2856VLD_se0_ag2_f_013664.5385Not really.3665.3452
2858 3666.6881[Mm-mm.]3667.4099 
2859VLD_int_013666.6881[Do you have a close relationship] with Mr. /RD-NAME-1/?3668.3705
2860VLD_se0_ag2_f_013670.5341Um, <exhale>3672.2025
2862 3673.5174somewhat. It's not as close like3676.0718 
2864 3676.1697him and /RD-NAME-3/.3677.0579 
2865VLD_int_013677.4380[Mm.]3677.9439
2866VLD_se0_ag2_f_013678.0153You know, it's- it's different.3679.4041
2868 3680.6032Um,3681.2980 
2870 3682.9804I wish it was closer, but it's- it's just not.3686.2762 
2872 3686.9896But, um,3687.5631 
2874 3687.8373he still my dad and I still love him.3689.7123 
2875VLD_int_013691.0734Um,3691.7816
2877 3692.1309so3693.0309 
2879 3693.3200talk about-3694.2712 
2881 3694.6909how did you- mm.3695.7822 
2883 3696.2940Let me back up.3697.0541 
2885 3697.3618Thinking about kind of3698.8653 
2887 3702.0322being3703.0208 
2889 3703.2959like, the family dinners [and things] like that,3705.9392 
2890VLD_se0_ag2_f_013704.8346[Mm-hm.]3705.2963
2891VLD_int_013707.9346how do you- do you think that made you guys stronger3710.4646
2893 3710.5626as a family, or was it just something you had to do because your mom said we gonna do this?3715.0030 
2894VLD_se0_ag2_f_013715.1089<laugh> That's a good question.3717.1690
2896 3717.6400Um,3718.4607 
2898 3719.4678<ts>3719.6171 
2900 3720.2792I can say it made us stronger even though3722.7303 
2902 3723.0844today now, we3724.1743 
2904 3724.5299don't eat together.3725.4952 
2906 3725.6724But,3726.0407 
2908 3726.4082you know, we still will go to war for each other.3728.8236 
2910 3729.3038Um,3729.8916 
2912 3730.5060<ts> not only that, I am grateful that we had that experience3733.9472 
2914 3734.4023of sitting at the table and eating around each other, because3737.3213 
2916 3738.7901it did make us stronger. It did make us, you know,3741.4960 
2918 3741.8388unified, and we3743.0796 
2920 3743.4568actually learned a lot about each other, sitting at the table and fellowshipping.3747.1154 
2922 3747.5956Where now it's like,3748.9572 
2924 3749.0551okay well I know she's gonna eat this last piece of pork chop, or if she wants hocks on the pork chop,3753.3254 
2926 3753.5679so I'm just gonna leave it there on the side for her.3755.3669 
2928 3755.6513But, <laugh>3756.5512 
2930 3757.0082we-3757.8630 
2932 3758.1739it did make us stronger3759.3901 
2934 3759.5159growing up,3760.1128 
2936 3760.8589because3761.5070 
2938 3762.3445kids nowadays3763.4356 
2940 3763.7247they- they don't even experience that,3765.7158 
2941VLD_int_013765.9862Mm-hm.3766.6117
2942VLD_se0_ag2_f_013766.6117you know.3767.1893
2943 3767.5250But, um,3768.1638
2945 3769.5991<ts> yeah.3770.0887 
2946VLD_int_013771.6554So I'm gonna ask you a serious question, then I'm [gonna ask you some-]3773.8026
2947VLD_se0_ag2_f_013773.0627[Mm-hm.]3773.5710
2948VLD_int_013773.9570<clears throat> couple of fun questions.3775.4541
2949VLD_se0_ag2_f_013775.4541Mm-hm.3775.9112
2950VLD_int_013777.1456Was there ever a time3778.5398
2952 3779.1133that you were like, oh my God I'm about to die?3781.0217 
2954 3781.6873This is it. Like, something's gonna happen to me, I'm about to die. [Tell me about it.]3785.0949 
2955VLD_se0_ag2_f_013784.4048[Mm-hm.]3784.9084
2956 3785.9809Um,3786.8720
2958 3788.4140<ts> I was- I think I was in middle school, I had3791.5606 
2960 3791.6865the strep throat, and my temperature was like-3793.7512 
2962 3795.6770it was up there. It was like, one o three3797.7015 
2964 3797.8723I believe, to where the point3799.3458 
2966 3799.8168where they thought I was gonna die.3801.0721 
2968 3801.2613Um,3801.8209 
2970 3803.2617only thing I remember is3804.8509 
2972 3804.9628blacking out and not3806.2370 
2974 3808.0301feel anything. Like, I thought I was sleep but3810.9282 
2976 3811.1300apparently3811.9693 
2978 3813.1910something else was going on.3814.5044 
2980 3814.9900But, um,3815.6847 
2982 3818.4070<ts> yeah.3818.9618 
2984 3819.2183I remember going to the hospital3820.7338 
2986 3820.9995and3821.6794 
2988 3822.5141the doctors was- wa- rushing in, and they was like, we gotta get her temp down because something3827.2451 
2990 3827.8513bad is gonna happen. And m- I just remember my mom,3830.7396 
2992 3831.6693you know, having her hands on me and3833.4500 
2994 3834.4381praying over me, and I-3836.2153 
2996 3836.9654yeah.3837.4081 
2998 3838.0286That's all I r- remember really, but,3840.2192 
3000 3840.8432um,3841.3934 
3002 3842.0462I remember leaving the hospital. My mom, (laughing)3844.3310 
3004 3844.7544she said, girl you almost died on us, you know, and3847.6594 
3006 3848.0697I'm happy I prayed over you cause3849.8272 
3008 3850.1019they didn't think you were gonna make it out. (laughing)3851.8082 
3010 3852.0127[And,] (laughing)3852.9538 
3011VLD_int_013852.4138[Hm.]3852.9966
3012VLD_se0_ag2_f_013853.0983But, um,3854.0576
3014 3854.2920yeah. That's- that's pretty much all I remember.3857.1899 
3016 3857.8078Um,3858.4275 
3018 3858.9960but before going to the hospital, I do remember passing out several times.3862.3672 
3020 3862.8793Um,3863.3828 
3022 3864.9076but yeah. It was almost3866.4445 
3024 3866.7430like a blur,3867.6149 
3026 3867.8434to be honest.3868.6373 
3028 3869.3262And I was almost a little bit at peace.3871.5612 
3030 3872.5483You know, I really- honestly I felt like I didn't wanna3875.0654 
3032 3875.2938leave that peace3876.5724 
3034 3876.8588If that makes any [sense.]3878.0898 
3035VLD_int_013877.5116[Mm-hm.]3878.3975
3036VLD_se0_ag2_f_013878.6633But, um,3879.3860
3038 3879.9456yeah.3880.3868 
3040 3881.2745That's what3882.0206 
3042 3882.1885I remember3882.9065 
3044 3883.1070almost dying. <laugh>3885.0226 
3045VLD_int_013885.0972Wow. (whispered)3885.9215