Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	VLD_int_01	0.2301	So,	0.8841
3		1.1988	let's talk a little bit about,	2.3599
5		2.5592	Valdosta.	3.1572
7		3.9083	You've always lived in Valdo- Well, until you moved away.	6.0310
8	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	6.2793	Yes.	6.6431
9	VLD_int_01	6.9228	Do you remember your childhood home?	8.3707
10	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	10.6849	The-	11.1570
12		11.4683	I remember every	12.2062
14		12.7937	I remember every place I lived as a child.	14.7093
16		15.2059	I would say,	15.9928
18		16.9615	the house I lived	18.0085
20		18.4294	in on the East Side is the one that I	20.4123
22		20.5347	spent the most time	21.7203
24		22.4189	growing up	22.8490
26		22.9644	and-	23.4155
28		26.2378	But the	26.5420
30		26.8489	place before that on /RD-ADDRESS-2/.	28.5450
32		29.7865	Um,	30.2587
34		30.6259	it's probably	31.3917
36		32.1078	my favorite growing up, because that's when me and	35.2692
38		35.7125	my brothers were	36.8596
40		37.4716	that age where you go play outside and	39.1922
42		40.3734	before video games and before	42.2836
44		43.9930	spending so much time inside. We spent a lot of time outside. And	46.8143
46		47.2410	probably some of our	48.2866
48		48.9021	fondest and	49.8840
50		50.8667	funniest memories are there.	52.2411
51	VLD_int_01	53.5481	So I didn't know- I didn't know you before- I didn't know where you live- I've never been to that house. So [describe-] first of all describe	58.9364
52	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	57.6294	[Mm.]	57.9126
53	VLD_int_01	60.1395	the house to me.	61.1536
55		61.3949	When did you live there?	62.7449
56	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	63.2580	I don't remember the exact	64.7409
58		64.8388	time. I remember moving to /RD-ADDRESS-4/ when we	67.2693
60		67.3944	were	67.8770
62		69.4542	I think we were middle school.	70.9895
64		71.8629	When we moved there.	73.0030
66		73.6714	Or just before I was, but	75.5757
68		76.0427	/RD-ADDRESS-2/ was a duplex.	77.5810
70		78.4525	<ts>	78.5239
72		78.9084	And growing up we've always lived within	81.4764
74		81.7760	walking dis- distance of	83.4135
76		84.2385	my mom's	84.9705
78		85.5225	parents. So my grandparents on my mom's side.	87.4888
80		87.9168	So we lived	88.9155
82		89.3639	just around the corner from them. My grandparents moved over	91.8575
84		92.3723	to the East Side. And then	94.1091
86		94.9731	not too long afterwards we moved over there, but the	97.2372
88		97.8761	place over on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ was	99.7866
90		101.1468	where I was a kid. You know, we had other neighborhood kids that would come over.	104.2607
92		104.8561	And	105.4404
94		106.0303	as a black family thinking about	107.6120
96		108.9643	the rules. Like when the streetlights come on, that- that's the time when I was in that house. Be inside	114.2633
98		114.8030	before the streetlight come on.	116.0870
100		116.7693	No going	117.5385
102		117.7866	to somebody else's house.	119.0662
104		119.8602	Had to ask for permission before you leave the yard. And stuff like that.	122.6328
106		123.2655	So I enjoyed living there. It's where	126.0897
108		126.7161	we had	127.3302
110		127.9567	the best backyard ever.	129.3400
112		129.7016	climbing trees.	130.6940
114		130.7746	So, we would climb up in the trees together.	132.7534
116		133.8761	We would play race cars, where our backyard had these two bushes in the middle.	138.8774
118		140.3165	And so we'd r- <laugh>	141.7477
120		142.0489	we were told to rake the leaves. And we would rake,	144.6789
122		144.9581	but we'd rake 'em into the	146.0498
124		146.2979	shape of a track. So we would just	148.0037
126		148.2102	rake 'em all to the outside into a circle around the two trees	151.6167
128		151.9753	and that would be our racetrack.	152.9926
130		153.5509	And we had big wheels and	154.8473
132		156.0586	bicycles and me and	157.5721
134		158.3723	my	158.6700
136		159.0360	older brother and then the two younger brothers. Not the last one, he came along too late.	162.8278
138		163.4047	But the rest of us would go outside, play.	165.0794
140		166.0923	Um,	166.6010
142		166.7933	go around the-	167.5252
144		167.7361	the track. Race each other.	169.1317
146		169.6776	Climb trees. Play	171.2779
148		171.7121	Ninja Turtles.	172.9155
149	VLD_int_01	173.4197	H- how do you- how does one play	175.5163
150	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	175.8823	[<laugh>]	176.5956
151	VLD_int_01	175.8885	[Ninja] Turtles? [I'm sorry-]	177.5891
152	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	177.2903	[Well] there were four of us.	178.5247
153	VLD_int_01	178.9980	Mm, okay. So there- Okay that makes sense.	180.7844
154	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	180.8340	And there are four Ninja Turtles.	182.1490
155	VLD_int_01	182.5212	So your sister didn't play?	183.5943
156	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	183.6625	No.	184.0595
157	VLD_int_01	184.1649	[Okay.]	184.5061
158	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	184.3014	[She] was too old.]	185.1468
159		185.9904	By that point. [She didn't-]	187.1007
160	VLD_int_01	186.5487	[/Wasn't/]	187.0821
161	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	187.2186	I don't ever remember her playing outside with us.	189.1973
163		189.8114	It was just	190.4999
165		190.8181	me,	191.2213
167		191.6182	my older brother, and then the two next youngest	193.7706
169		194.2483	that played outside together. There were four of us. So we each had the different weapon	197.9842
171		198.4804	for (laughing) the Ninja [Turtles.]	200.1110
172	VLD_int_01	199.8265	[Which] one were you- who were you?	200.8685
173	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	201.0360	I was Donatello.	201.7866
174	VLD_int_01	201.7928	Oh yes. That's the best Ninja Turtle [ever.]	203.4632
175	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	203.1530	[I liked] the bo.	204.0152
176		204.4790	It was simple yet effective.	206.0877
178		206.7073	And then you only had the other was the-	208.0223
180		208.8677	the nunchucks, the sais and the	211.5535
182		211.8079	katanas. So you know, the two sticks for the katan- You know what I mean, you get creative.	215.6368
184		216.2901	So we had fun,	217.2081
186		217.3632	um,	217.7939
188		218.2068	and then we made the, um,	219.7407
190		220.1625	there was a fence but the par- (laughing)	221.6512
192		221.7504	part of the fence was broken	222.8111
194		223.4748	so we took some nails and we nailed	225.5714
196		225.9268	a board to it. Which was our steering wheel. So that was our turtle mobile.	229.3198
198		230.0641	Don't,-	230.3370
200		230.5665	don't question it. It was great. We had a fabulous (laughing) time.	233.1550
201	VLD_int_01	233.4589	[Hm.]	233.6781
202	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	233.4651	[But] that's what I remember most about /RD-ADDRESS-2/. It was where I was a kid.	236.2626
203		237.1124	We- we did have video games, but we couldn't stay on 'em all day. We had to go outside, had to play.	241.7477
205		242.7498	And	243.1186
207		244.2369	those are probably some of the	245.2914
209		246.2839	fondest	246.9044
211		247.1647	memories	247.8594
213		248.4983	growing up	249.0628
215		249.5838	that I have.	250.2413
216	VLD_int_01	251.0371	So let's back up, cause clearly I have	252.7119
218		253.1337	put the cart before the horse.	254.2812
220		254.4735	So let's talk about your family, cause you have a lot of siblings.	257.2046
221	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	257.2542	I do.	257.6264
222	VLD_int_01	257.6636	So tell me about your siblings. You don't have to necessarily tell me their names, cause they'll be redacted anyway.	261.9482
223	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	262.0041	<laugh>	262.5916
224	VLD_int_01	262.6091	Um,	263.3038
226		263.4713	but you can, cause we're gonna beep them out.	264.8815
227	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	264.9446	[<laugh>]	266.0032
228	VLD_int_01	265.3244	[Um],	266.0089
229		266.4216	cause it's probably easier to talk about them using their names. But, um,	269.3483
231		269.5238	tell- tell me about your siblings. And tell me about your	271.8390
233		272.0315	being in a big family.	273.2033
234	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	275.2124	So I have, older sister, older brother, then three younger brothers.	278.9373
236		279.7066	And	280.5501
238		282.2540	growing up, I guess I didn't know anything different than having a big family. I've always been a part of a big family. Lots of cousins.	287.9596
240		288.8427	Lots of aunts, uncles. And	290.8240
242		291.0222	I've just-	291.8597
244		292.4652	don't know anything different, so people who are only children, or	295.5956
246		296.1617	say, I know all of my cousins. I don't- I can't even say I know all of my cousins, my family's so big.	300.6050
248		301.2220	So I'm just used to being part of a big family.	303.3279
250		304.0180	But we-	304.5897
252		305.9596	we have	306.4748
254		308.2240	lots of interesting fun stories, I guess growing up. We	311.1615
256		312.3955	early on, became I guess latchkey kids, you know. My sister was a little bit older, so she got to stay home with us	318.4182
258		318.9899	more.	319.6636
260		320.0202	Um,	320.6316
262		320.8863	I don't really	321.6845
264		321.8368	I remember having a babysitter, but not for very long.	324.2993
266		324.8314	And then there was my sister that	326.2523
268		327.2481	took on that role, pretty early on.	329.3539
270		329.9653	But we had	330.5993
272		332.9990	normal sibling, I guess issues. Like other siblings, we fought.	336.7805
274		337.6805	But	337.9806
276		338.7788	We also very protective of one another.	340.4878
278		341.5464	My older sister	342.6616
280		343.9240	being so much older,	345.2203
282		346.3520	wasn't as into the kiddy stuff. And she kind of liked	349.8164
284		350.3146	being in control.	351.1184
286		351.7859	She liked having	352.6293
288		353.2973	authority.	354.0332
290		354.5087	So there were some summers where she-	356.9542
292		357.8481	she's just interesting. She would do stuff like, cook	360.1861
294		360.7182	something. We don't know what it was, but we had to taste it because she said so.	365.5747
296		366.0729	Regardless of how it looked, smelled, or	368.6938
298		368.9594	otherwise might not have looked so appetizing.	371.8691
300		372.2314	But she was the older sister and so it was required.	375.3505
302		376.4425	Yeah, coulda done without that.	378.4635
304		378.7182	But we stuck together.	379.7202
306		380.4051	The rest of us	381.3109
308		381.6840	against	382.3237
310		382.7935	her	383.3256
312		383.5577	sometimes.	384.3672
314		384.6106	Which, worked out sometimes. Sometimes it didn't.	386.5184
316		387.6217	Um, then my older brother-	389.2917
318		389.9993	I have a lot of	390.8427
320		391.1145	respect for my older brother, cause my dad	393.1297
322		394.7256	wasn't	395.1784
324		395.5577	in the house	396.3333
326		396.5484	for most of my growing up years.	399.2826
328		400.5897	And my older brother- I think I remember him getting his first job.	404.0428
330		406.1651	He was around-	406.8841
332		407.4105	I know he was in high school,	408.6616
334		409.6013	when he got his first job. So I wanna say	412.2387
336		412.7539	maybe fourteen, or fifteen,	414.2087
338		414.7918	when he got his first job. And he's had a job ever since.	416.9033
340		417.5028	And would help out	418.2048
342		418.8331	in the house,	419.6370
344		419.8600	help with the bills.	420.8880
346		421.5786	And just	422.1674
348		422.6537	remember him growing up	423.9953
350		425.7332	and being	426.7012
352		428.0655	a pseudo	428.9939
354		429.2821	man of the house	430.3293
356		431.2237	early.	431.6936
358		432.8710	And I appreciate that a lot	434.2806
360		434.5297	about him. He was very supportive, very	436.9463
362		437.5973	protective.	438.5654
364		439.2616	Still had fun,	440.2523
366		440.8410	but	441.1694
368		441.3953	could	441.7745
370		442.1142	be very responsible	443.2911
372		443.5294	in that way.	444.1634
374		445.0352	And he was at home a lot longer than my sister.	448.6067
376		449.1049	My sister	449.9823
378		450.6050	went to college	451.5164
380		451.9862	and then left	452.8354
382		453.1127	to go to college,	454.0406
384		454.4765	but my brother stayed	455.7842
386		456.3729	and he was there	457.4937
388		458.2240	til I left for college.	459.6732
390		459.8255	So really became-	460.7482
392		462.0785	I don't wanna say a father figure, but just a very strong male presence	465.6505
394		467.2181	for me.	467.8691
396		468.9333	And my younger brothers, we just played. <laugh> We- (laughing)	472.1595
398		472.5218	we just played and we had a good time.	474.2314
400		474.6842	unts- and I don't wanna say until /RD-NAME-2/	476.4887
402		476.7561	the youngest came along. But	478.0633
404		478.2331	he-	478.7652
406		479.0143	I-	479.2351
408		479.3709	he had	480.0049
410		481.6579	medical issues. And	483.2769
412		483.5481	required a lot of medical attention. So that changed the dynamic a lot.	486.8767
414		487.8617	Cause we were very concerned about him and his health. And	490.4878
416		490.9860	the amount of time he had to spend in the hospital. And	493.0975
418		493.6579	stuff like that. So I- it- I always say he came along a little bit too late. He came along after	498.3559
420		498.8710	you know, the- the /RD-ADDRESS-2/ experience	501.4920
422		501.8708	of being able to go outside and play big wheels.	504.7925
424		505.4032	But he also just had a very different experience all together. Cause	508.8841
426		509.1954	he was born with a heart defect. And	511.1371
428		511.9409	had his first surgery at two. And	513.7354
430		514.3072	subsequent surgeries there after, it was	516.8880
432		517.7428	different for him growing up trying to manage being	520.6633
434		521.2181	the youngest,	522.0672
436		522.8880	but being the youngest with medical problems and trying to	525.9444
438		528.4578	manage	529.3836
440		529.6400	being	530.3068
442		530.7052	a little bit different	531.5826
444		531.8085	from	532.3180
446		533.1558	the rest of us.	533.8917
448		534.5710	So,	535.0805
450		535.5786	he- he had it a little bit different. And	537.8597
452		538.6746	we sometimes	539.7842
454		540.6446	not pick on him, but just say, you- you missed out on the good time when	543.8597
456		544.5784	we (laughing) were	545.2181
458		545.9144	just kicking it, having a good time before	548.2919
460		549.4066	cell phones and smartphones and	551.6879
462		553.5334	Xbox Ones took over the world. We just were kids and he kind of	557.4615
464		557.8294	missed out on that period. So we were close,	560.4900
466		561.2368	we are,	561.9614
468		563.2407	we have a good time together,	564.7125
470		565.5956	we're all in very different stages of life now, but	568.0859
472		568.5614	still respect each other. Really appreciate	570.6559
474		570.9560	each other,	571.5730
476		572.4334	um,	572.8637
478		574.0576	but I think the best part	575.2294
480		575.7049	about having a big family,	577.0975
482		577.8900	is-	578.5297
484		580.7539	I mean we never	581.6879
486		583.4654	feel al- not- not alone. It's- it's that feeling that there's always somebody	587.3483
488		587.8917	in your corner.	588.7918
489	VLD_int_01	588.9359	Mm.	589.1364
490	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	589.1644	Kind of thing. They're-	589.9409
492		590.9537	We might not talk every single day. And we might not always-	594.2087
494		594.4974	everybody get together for Christmas, or Thanksgiving, or	597.0165
496		597.1519	whatever the holiday is.	597.9444
498		599.0256	But they are	599.6936
500		600.8710	that	601.5730
502		603.1405	constant. I- I don't worry	605.1932
504		606.1181	will I be able to pick up the phone	607.7485
506		608.2240	and call	608.8127
508		609.2368	my sister or my brothers. Or	610.9180
510		611.5351	even cousins if I needed to. Mom, Dad, whatever.	614.1063
512		614.7901	It's	615.3109
514		615.7462	knowing that	616.5357
516		617.1218	I'm connected	618.0276
518		618.3616	to	618.7408
520		620.2466	a group of people that	621.3513
522		621.8368	don't get to choose not to be connected to me.	624.0605
524		625.4224	<laugh>	625.7721
525	VLD_int_01	625.8787	Um,	626.2555
527		626.4844	I- I elect to disconnect	628.5331
528	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	628.7750	<laugh> [No.]	629.3766
529	VLD_int_01	628.8822	[/from you./]	629.3539
530	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	629.9313	Um,	630.2880
532		630.7748	friends can do that.	631.7032
534		632.3938	You know.	632.7221
536		633.4349	Even in relationships that could happen.	635.1388
538		636.0898	But family is-	637.1656
540		638.8971	you- you're not family- uh- y-	640.1312
542		640.4424	you build the love and- and the relationships by choice, but	643.7202
544		644.0830	by	644.4900
546		645.3217	genetics we're family. And	646.9067
548		647.5521	that does mean something to us. So we-	649.4994
550		651.0386	we're there for each other.	652.0406
551	VLD_int_01	654.9560	So do you have- Okay, so let's talk about family a little bit, Then we're gonna	658.0349
553		658.3010	kind of, transition to [something] else you just said.	660.8201
554	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	659.7049	[Mm.]	659.9993
555	VLD_int_01	662.1617	Do you have family traditions? Like ones that you still do n- that you still hold now?	666.9546
557		667.2277	And ones that you had in the past that maybe you don't	668.7901
559		670.1595	do anymore?	670.7765
560	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	674.2636	We don't- we do have family tr-	675.8597
562		676.1651	we did	676.7765
564		677.8413	have family traditions.	679.0303
566		679.6466	A lot changed when	681.0052
568		682.5105	my	683.4219
570		683.6268	g-	683.7480
572		684.0955	mom's mother	685.5673
574		686.1787	passed away.	686.8410
576		689.1558	And not that	690.0931
578		691.3296	those traditions were	693.0392
580		695.9540	necessarily	697.0522
582		697.4937	made by her,	698.7221
584		699.9897	but the loss of her,	701.6653
586		702.9107	was really difficult.	704.6429
588		705.5141	on the family, on-	706.4878
590		706.8954	I can say for sure on me	707.9823
592		708.4804	personally.	708.8880
594		709.7824	I remember	710.6089
596		712.3972	the day	713.2917
598		713.8125	the moment, the time I found out that she had passed away.	716.4391
600		716.9311	I remember exactly where I was, what I was doing.	718.4539
602		720.5937	Was at	721.0945
604		722.8915	the /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	724.1312
606		724.7482	for	725.2747
608		725.7842	summer internship thing.	727.5051
610		728.5744	Walking back from the library where I had been doing research.	732.2087
612		732.8597	One of my brothers called me.	734.0089
614		735.2198	And	735.6670
616		736.4312	just told me	737.2803
618		738.0219	that granny had passed away and	739.7598
620		740.2602	it was unexpected.	741.2712
622		742.6010	And, a	742.8048
624		743.4841	crowd of people is around me, cause I don't remember, if I was screaming- I don't remember what I was doing at that moment. But it was very clear that I was in distress. And	750.5484
626		752.0089	one of those moments you never forget because	754.2840
628		755.6936	granny was such, um,	757.1541
630		757.4201	important part	758.3712
632		759.4236	of	760.0349
634		761.0596	not just my life, but all of our lives. And like I said, I've never lived	764.6311
636		764.8632	further than walking distance from	766.4482
638		767.3256	granny's house.	768.1181
640		768.4012	Spent a lot of time over there. Spent my summers there.	770.6089
642		771.3726	After school,	772.1595
644		772.3972	we'd be there.	773.2690
646		773.8691	Mad at my mama, so I'll go there. Didn't matter it's-	776.5184
648		776.7844	that was where I went.	777.5543
650		779.1954	So when she passed away, some of our family traditions	782.5698
652		782.7936	went with her.	784.1720
654		785.5917	Not because she wasn't there to keep them going, but because it was almost too painful to keep them going without her there.	790.9407
656		792.1351	Like, Christmas day going over to granny's house,	794.4064
658		794.5445	having	795.2826
660		795.9444	Christmas dinner there was a big deal. And every year,	798.8088
662		799.0991	<laugh>	799.6167
664		799.9579	every year,	800.5467
666		801.6783	every other time we have family dinners,	803.8634
668		804.1238	paper plates,	805.4127
670		806.2636	napkins, (laughing)	807.3233
672		808.5614	plastic forks and spoons, all that. But not on Christmas day.	811.7006
674		811.9976	She had to pull out the white table cloth	814.3746
676		814.9577	with	815.6221
678		816.1465	the special dishes.	817.7372
680		818.2919	And the special silverware	820.1085
682		820.9180	that of course the grandkids had to clean up after.	823.1314
684		823.2956	And wash. So we didn't wanna do it, but it was so important to her. I mean she would iron the tablecloth	828.3050
686		829.0412	on Christmas day.	829.6979
688		830.1281	Cause the tablecloth had to be on the table.	831.7754
690		832.6467	I mean those are the things that	833.7676
692		834.8261	as annoying and irritating as they seemed at the time, I'd give anything to do it again now.	839.0999
694		840.0732	Cause we don't do that anymore.	841.2564
696		841.5281	We don't-	841.9696
698		842.3772	we don't even have Christmas dinner	843.6396
700		844.3920	over at	845.2298
702		845.8638	you know, her house anymore.	846.8714
704		847.5507	A lot of the-	848.3602
706		848.9433	those kinds of things that we used to do.	850.6863
708		851.5864	We- we don't do anymore, cause	853.3696
710		853.9470	doesn't feel the same.	854.8357
712		855.2377	But I miss them.	855.9056
713	VLD_int_01	860.7678	So you moved away from Valdosta,	862.5110
715		864.7242	but before- let's go back- let's go- cause I don't wanna- I don't wanna talk about moving away first.	868.6014
717		868.9637	So let's talk about	870.0902
719		870.3223	school.	870.9507
721		872.8867	Um, so	874.5110
723		874.8222	we're gonna talk about middle school, cause I think that's important.	877.0016
724	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	877.2064	<laugh> [Let's]	878.5213
725	VLD_int_01	877.9163	[Selfishly]	878.7678
726		879.0482	but let's talk about elementary school first.	880.6989
727	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	881.8921	Elementary school- (whispered)	882.7865
728	VLD_int_01	882.8601	Do you remember elementary school?	884.0659
729	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	884.4621	Yes.	885.0226
730	VLD_int_01	885.7976	[Um.]	886.5391
731	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	885.8032	[Mostly.]	886.5278
732	VLD_int_01	886.9014	Mostly? Okay.	887.9091
734		888.5657	Did you- Which elementary school did you go to?	890.0715
736		890.2640	[/RD-SCHOOL-3/.]	890.8414
737	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	890.7905	[/RD-SCHOOL-3/] days that's what we talking about?	892.2566
738	VLD_int_01	892.4203	Mm-hm.	892.7316
739	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	892.8562	Yeah. Or-	893.4392
741		893.7053	Vaguely yes.	894.7356
742	VLD_int_01	895.5620	Did you have a favorite teacher, or a favorite subject?	897.5547
743	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	898.7316	Mm, no.	899.2920
744	VLD_int_01	900.1978	Did you like elementary school?	901.8791
745	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	904.7769	No.	905.2524
747		906.2261	<laugh> Not really.	907.5960
749		908.7848	I- I didn't not like it, but I didn't like it. I remember,	911.8694
751		914.3376	mm, just kind of remember existing through elementary school.	917.0486
753		917.7676	I didn't feel	918.7308
755		920.9433	like- I was definitely not a popular kid, but I wasn't a not popular kid. I just kind of existed through middle school.	926.5414
757		927.6447	Just trying to figure out where you belong, what you wanna do.	930.5261
759		931.1092	In middle school I didn't have band. I didn't have-	933.6283
761		934.8505	Oh- I don't remember really doing any extracurricular activities.	938.0690
763		938.8074	I guess the only class I kind of sort of remember is Mr. Smith's class, his music class.	943.2337
764	VLD_int_01	944.1281	Mm.	944.4225
765	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	944.4451	And I would say that was probably the start of getting into band.	947.5241
767		948.3336	Cause we had that	948.9960
769		949.7149	day where	950.5357
771		951.7183	I think that was- Yeah, the first time that	953.8411
773		954.3902	they started bringing instruments in and	956.1734
775		956.8301	getting to	957.3905
777		957.5372	blow on a mouthpiece and stuff like that	959.4562
779		959.6600	started in elementary school.	961.2564
781		962.2357	Yeah.	962.7225
783		963.2603	Yep.	963.6056
785		963.9900	Definitely woulda started in- in	965.2298
787		965.6034	elementary school, so	966.6563
789		966.9960	Mr. Smith's class was probably	968.6942
791		969.8655	my favorite. I remember	971.5581
793		972.5544	enjoying music class when we brought out the xylophones,	974.9773
795		975.6617	really liked the xylophones. (laughing)	977.0020
797		977.9940	and the tinikling.	979.9923
799		980.9263	That random thing that we used to do.	983.5807
801		984.3110	Have no idea where it comes (laughing) from, but I really enjoyed that.	986.7848
803		987.3679	Other than that, no.	988.5901
805		990.3111	I have some other just random memories though.	992.2866
806	VLD_int_01	993.1301	Like what?	993.5830
807	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	995.9770	<ts> I have a random memory of Raymond.	997.8960
809		1000.3920	In middle school,	1001.2524
811		1002.5091	cause we used to wait for	1003.8168
813		1004.4338	the bus together.	1005.4867
815		1006.4373	Under the awning where the little, um,	1008.8375
817		1009.1262	hopscotch grid was.	1010.8074
819		1011.8434	And we would play hopscotch together	1013.7902
821		1015.1488	until it was time to go.	1016.5584
823		1017.4415	And one day I don't remember why, but he and I got into an argument.	1020.5431
825		1021.4658	I don't know about (laughing) what. (whispered)	1023.2830
827		1023.9108	And he hit me.	1024.9864
829		1025.3656	And we ended up in the principal's office. (laughing)	1027.7612
831		1029.7471	But like I said, random memory,	1031.0906
833		1031.5137	I don't remember what happened after that,	1032.9779
835		1033.6307	but, um,	1034.2135
837		1035.3093	yeah.	1035.6917
839		1036.7350	Very random memory of him.	1038.1479
841		1039.5701	And	1040.5353
843		1042.5811	playing with shaving cream on our desks.	1044.9126
844	VLD_int_01	1045.1038	<laugh>	1046.6099
845	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1046.6845	Where we would write out,	1047.6777
847		1047.8875	like our	1048.3025
849		1048.4937	spelling words, or	1049.6489
851		1050.0639	whatever, but we would use	1051.2763
853		1052.0737	shaving cream. And I remember thinking that that was	1054.5916
855		1055.6116	the best day ever, cause we're playing with shaving cream on the desks.	1058.3488
857		1060.1848	Why we did that, I have no idea. (laughing)	1062.7354
859		1063.3882	Uh, maybe it helped you remember your words better.	1065.2394
861		1065.3746	I-	1065.5751
863		1065.7616	I don't know, but I have a random memory of enjoying the day when I came in and saw	1069.7659
865		1071.0249	the shaving cream bottles.	1072.2559
867		1072.7024	Where we got to play with shaving cream	1074.2598
869		1075.3882	on the desk.	1076.0830
870	VLD_int_01	1076.9736	So, you were still the /RD-SCHOOL-3/ days.	1080.1898
871	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1080.7074	[Yes.]	1081.7333
872	VLD_int_01	1080.7074	[When we transitioned- before] we transitioned there was no- before /RD-SCHOOL-3/	1083.9435
873		1084.2699	[did the change thing.]	1085.1372
874	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1084.4051	[Yes.]	1085.1139
875	VLD_int_01	1085.7002	Alright. [So did you like /RD-SCHOOL-3/?	1087.7006
876	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1086.3950	[W- did fifth and sixth.]	1088.0224
877		1089.5518	Right- or- f-	1090.2279
879		1090.7362	Was it [fifth?]	1091.4996
880	VLD_int_01	1091.1780	[Fifth.] Cause then we got to go [to]	1093.2203
881	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1092.8753	[And then we] went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ [middle school].	1094.4467
882	VLD_int_01	1093.9278	[Yes. We were] the last group to do the fifth grade, si-	1096.3958
883	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1096.4098	At-	1096.9740
884	VLD_int_01	1096.9775	Mm, [yeah.]	1097.5697
885	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1097.3319	[Okay.]	1097.8588
886		1099.1411	/RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1099.9851
888		1103.8308	Now /RD-SCHOOL-3/ I think is,	1105.4861
890		1107.3746	when I started to	1109.0533
892		1111.5188	really wanna make friends	1113.3187
894		1114.9355	of my own.	1115.6956
896		1116.0127	Cause like I said before that, my f- my siblings were	1119.1788
898		1120.4844	a really big part of	1121.6070
900		1123.0618	what I enjoyed.	1123.8778
902		1124.2415	And	1124.6798
904		1125.2534	they were my clan, they were my group.	1126.6418
906		1127.7282	Then I wanted my own friends. I- ha- (laughing) I remember-	1130.7731
908		1131.2487	And it was- I di- it was definitely in middle school.	1132.8714
910		1133.9474	First day of school teacher calls your name,	1135.5514
912		1137.0016	and it's usually whatever your first name is, /RD-NAME-3/	1138.9320
914		1139.4391	/RD-NAME-2/ whatever.	1140.4976
916		1141.0571	Here.	1141.5467
918		1142.4653	And	1143.0808
920		1143.8409	I remember going home,	1145.0766
922		1145.2013	it was at some point in middle school, and all my family calls me /RD-NAME-2/.	1148.6519
924		1149.7010	And- and I just	1150.6103
926		1151.1034	my name's not /RD-NAME-2/, I'm /RD-NAME-3/.	1152.9499
928		1153.8965	And going through this,	1154.9223
930		1155.4306	I guess semi-identity crisis. I don't know.	1157.7900
932		1158.3717	But I didn't wanna be /RD-NAME-2/ anymore.	1159.6027
934		1159.7939	I wanted to be /RD-NAME-3/, that's who I am.	1161.1461
936		1161.6637	And I'm /RD-NAME-3/.	1162.6758
938		1162.7853	And	1163.3039
940		1163.4578	that's who I need to be.	1164.1665
942		1165.9897	It lasted for	1166.8384
944		1167.4865	probably twenty-four hours I think- I don't- I don't think it lasted much longer than that.	1170.4836
946		1170.8939	Stop calling me /RD-NAME-2/, I'm- I'm	1172.5073
948		1173.1088	/RD-NAME-3/.	1173.5984
950		1175.4438	Shut up /RD-NAME-2/.	1176.1759
952		1176.7168	Uh- uh, really? I-	1177.7519
954		1178.0643	Really? [Okay.] (laughing)	1179.2440
955	VLD_int_01	1179.0202	[Hm.]	1179.2534
956	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1179.5565	Fine.	1179.9108
958		1180.6791	It lasted for about twenty-four hours and then I'm over it.	1182.6002
960		1183.0385	Funny thing is now, I-	1183.9571
962		1184.4560	I find that to be hilarious cause I	1185.9901
964		1187.3505	appreciate	1188.2738
966		1188.9919	that in my professional life, or whatever, I'm /RD-NAME-3/ and	1191.7803
968		1192.3585	in	1192.7735
970		1193.5464	my home life and for those who are really close to me, I feel-	1196.3208
972		1198.7968	I feel good	1199.4205
974		1199.9287	that	1200.2271
976		1200.3764	I had that identity as /RD-NAME-2/ in this space,	1203.3326
978		1204.1347	um,	1204.5030
980		1204.8982	but I- I remember being really	1206.7994
982		1206.9566	silly about that then. Going through, I want to be-	1210.7828
984		1211.7049	had in my mind who /RD-NAME-3/ was, and that's who I needed to be	1214.3208
986		1214.8757	all the time. So I could make friends, so I could-	1216.7921
988		1218.3950	Mm,	1218.7960
990		1219.0292	have my own	1220.1063
992		1222.2606	identity	1223.1092
994		1223.5650	outside of	1224.4556
996		1224.6888	being a part of one of five kids, or one of six kids.	1228.5310
998		1230.0733	Um,	1230.5675
1000		1231.4768	so /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was probably the beginning of me trying to figure out	1236.1491
1002		1236.5116	who I wanted to be outside of my family.	1239.4399
1004		1240.2279	And then	1240.7781
1006		1242.1199	the start of band.	1243.2856
1008		1243.7752	Which,	1244.3534
1010		1244.6519	brought its own	1245.3933
1012		1246.8096	set of identity issues. Because my older sister was this rockstar clarinetist and	1252.4844
1014		1252.6476	I decided I wanted to play the clarinet too.	1254.9359
1016		1256.4280	And so on top of being /RD-NAME-2/ at home and /RD-NAME-3/ at school,	1259.5662
1018		1260.6421	to the older kids in band, I was /RD-NAME-2/'s little sister.	1263.8829
1020		1264.9495	And once again, I didn't feel like I had my own	1267.1364
1022		1267.7006	identity, I didn't have my own-	1269.2254
1024		1269.5658	I didn't stand on my own. I was	1271.1045
1026		1271.3412	a part of something else.	1273.5374
1028		1274.6519	So I went through that- that, little	1275.8222
1030		1276.3212	identity crisis for a little while and was frustrated by that, but I- That's why I decided I wanted to do in-	1281.8642
1032		1283.1220	When I s- When I was at /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was- I wanted to play clarinet. And	1286.4374
1034		1286.8011	I mean I was pretty good at it.	1287.7523
1036		1289.0987	But it took me a while to	1290.6981
1038		1291.4861	embrace the fact that, yeah I am /RD-NAME-2/'s little sister, but I'm also really good at this. Pay attention to me.	1297.5234
1040		1298.0970	I can stand on my own, I can	1300.3165
1042		1300.7537	perform. I'm not just	1302.5909
1044		1303.6867	her little sister. I am-	1305.4539
1046		1306.7875	I'm actually a fairly good instrumentalist myself.	1309.2996
1048		1310.4513	Um,	1310.8430
1050		1311.7197	but yeah.	1312.2652
1051	VLD_int_01	1313.3505	It's so interesting, as close as we are,	1315.1364
1053		1315.7985	we never	1316.9829
1055		1317.5425	used each other's /nicksnames/. Like I've never called you /RD-NAME-2/,	1320.3449
1057		1320.6328	you never call me /RD-NAME-2/. Like, we never- that's the one thing	1324.0274
1059		1324.7024	interestingly	1325.7702
1061		1326.6748	that we never crossed into that space.	1328.8570
1063		1329.2534	Like Olivia calls you /RD-NAME-2/,	1330.4331
1064	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1330.5170	She does.	1331.1232
1065	VLD_int_01	1331.5977	um,	1332.0919
1067		1332.6188	but we never- that's-	1333.9990
1068	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1334.4327	I don't know why.	1335.2301
1069	VLD_int_01	1335.7010	That's so interesting to me.	1336.8481
1070	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1338.1246	There's probably nobody closer, (laughing)	1340.2602
1072		1340.6146	who should in theory based on how I've-	1343.2445
1073	VLD_int_01	1344.0792	/Right./	1344.5035
1074	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1345.0198	Almost compartmentalized my life.	1347.2534
1076		1347.4818	Cause I don't	1348.4331
1078		1349.0707	there's actually no-	1349.9195
1080		1350.9499	I- I really don't want	1352.3581
1082		1352.6659	people in my professional life	1353.9481
1084		1354.6744	crossing over to that /RD-NAME-2/ side,	1356.4104
1086		1356.6771	ooh, wait	1357.4535
1088		1357.7519	that's-	1358.3907
1090		1359.3000	you don't own that.	1360.2279
1092		1361.2372	This one time my dad- My dad is the only one that calls me /RD-NAME-2/.	1364.0162
1094		1365.1820	There's not another single person in my life who calls me /RD-NAME-2/.	1367.1532
1096		1367.8573	And he was introducing me to one of his friends, or something one time, and he said this is my daughter /RD-NAME-2/ and I looked at him. And gave him a look,	1374.2770
1098		1374.7013	who-	1375.1116
1100		1376.2121	you don't get to give that away.	1378.1285
1102		1379.0506	And- and he apologized, say wait I'm sorry.	1381.0464
1104		1382.0162	This is Nicki,	1382.6364
1106		1383.2939	it's like, it's okay,	1384.3586
1108		1385.5496	if you are friend of the family,	1387.1878
1110		1387.7132	if- if you're in that realm of my life, it's okay,	1390.9108
1112		1392.8925	but he's the only person that calls me /RD-NAME-2/. There's- there's something	1395.8394
1114		1396.4445	even though we don't have the best	1397.9133
1116		1398.5661	relationship ever,	1399.8251
1118		1400.5665	it's	1401.1493
1120		1401.9315	still something special	1403.1626
1122		1404.4961	between me and him, that I wanna hold onto.	1406.2587
1124		1407.6576	And that I don't wanna share.	1408.6823
1126		1409.5402	So I don't know why that	1410.8132
1128		1411.8577	transition for us never happened, but	1413.7835
1130		1415.0693	it doesn't	1415.6848
1132		1417.0557	negate	1417.7878
1134		1418.8684	the position that you have in my life.	1421.1206
1136		1422.4775	But I would never want anybody else to call me /RD-NAME-2/.	1424.6457
1138		1427.2698	Weird.	1427.6615
1139	VLD_int_01	1428.8225	Nah, I get it.	1429.4955
1140	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1429.7225	[<laugh>]	1430.5805
1141	VLD_int_01	1430.0629	[Ta-]	1430.3520
1142		1430.6271	totally.	1431.1260
1144		1431.3965	I	1431.5876
1146		1431.8663	totally get it.	1432.8128
1148		1433.9552	Um, so let's talk about middle school, cause I think	1436.8276
1150		1438.2813	that was a different	1439.3024
1152		1440.6174	tra- transition right? Because we-	1442.8323
1154		1443.2927	So the way /RD-SCHOOL-3/'s set up, like, the schools came together, well, we still-	1448.1048
1156		1448.6364	still kind of separate, so tell-	1450.2811
1158		1450.5377	instead of me talking about it, you talk [about it.]	1451.8900
1159	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1451.6475	[<laugh>]	1452.4449
1160	VLD_int_01	1452.4355	[<unintelligible>]	1453.4474
1161	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1452.9158	[The transition.] (whispered)	1454.1655
1162		1455.9595	I think for- for us in particular, that time, it was different. /RD-SCHOOL-6/ was very new. It was- it was a new	1461.4058
1164		1462.8315	s- grouping of f- kids. Our first	1465.3961
1166		1466.2168	middle school instead of going to- What was it? Junior high before-	1469.1299
1167	VLD_int_01	1469.2698	And then /RD-SCHOOL-4/ also was [new-]	1471.0184
1168	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1470.7759	[And then] /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was new. So we were split-	1473.2488
1169		1473.6611	we were splitting up	1474.6057
1171		1474.9807	physically. We were also being split up differently in terms of age groups. And	1478.8462
1173		1479.3254	how we were	1480.4631
1175		1481.0879	going through school.	1482.1371
1177		1483.8157	Going to middle school was-	1485.0001
1179		1486.3232	For me I felt at first, it really felt like a good transition. It's like okay,	1489.5593
1181		1490.5944	my sister did not go	1492.2160
1183		1492.3792	to /RD-SCHOOL-6/.	1493.4144
1185		1494.0811	So I ha- I had that separation. I- I'm /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1497.5597
1187		1498.2440	My sister went to	1499.1719
1189		1499.5636	what? /RD-SCHOOL-4/?	1500.7293
1190	VLD_int_01	1500.7479	Mm.	1500.9718
1191	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1500.9904	/RD-SCHOOL-7/	1502.1888
1193		1502.9908	This was	1503.7369
1195		1504.3372	my turn, my own identity. None of my siblings had been there before me.	1508.6318
1197		1508.9209	That was important.	1509.6529
1199		1511.7734	There was always this kind of struggle for me to	1513.5966
1201		1513.9976	make my own space. Make my own identity.	1516.2811
1203		1516.9620	Um,	1517.3631
1205		1517.5589	so going into band was great.	1519.0977
1207		1519.5593	But	1519.8950
1209		1521.4198	then I decided	1522.4118
1211		1523.0413	I wanted to be a cheerleader.	1523.9926
1213		1525.6945	I really have no idea why that	1527.6424
1215		1527.9782	became something I wanted to do. But I wanted to do that, I wanted to be a cheerleader.	1530.9065
1217		1532.4079	And, um,	1533.0514
1219		1533.8010	in the midst of all that, still wanting to get good grades, still wanting to be	1537.1629
1221		1537.8997	academically successful, cause that's important.	1539.6809
1223		1540.5937	Wanting to do band too,	1541.8667
1225		1542.2863	it was this	1543.1536
1227		1544.9162	I need to be my own person.	1546.9947
1229		1547.9413	Funny story,	1548.7386
1231		1549.4147	I didn't try out for cheer in sixth grade, I did in seventh.	1552.5983
1233		1553.4423	And so the team	1554.3842
1235		1555.3401	that started in sixth grade,	1557.2566
1237		1558.7103	all of them decided to try out again	1560.6827
1239		1561.0091	in seventh grade.	1561.7645
1241		1563.3079	And	1563.5737
1243		1563.9409	every	1564.5983
1245		1565.3584	person	1566.1791
1247		1566.8459	who tried out from the previous year,	1569.0980
1249		1569.9595	made it the next year.	1571.4656
1251		1572.2350	Except for one white girl.	1574.1282
1253		1575.3125	And I remember getting a lot	1577.0227
1255		1577.2232	of	1577.7641
1257		1578.0019	backlash from my	1579.5966
1259		1580.0862	peers	1580.8975
1261		1581.0328	on the team.	1581.7648
1263		1582.5937	Um, even from the older team, because	1584.4495
1265		1585.2142	in their words, I took her spot.	1587.1260
1267		1588.5040	Yeah, I tried out like everybody else. I did the same material.	1591.1956
1269		1592.9442	Performed the same	1594.0399
1271		1594.6030	jumps,	1595.5029
1273		1596.2490	whatever	1596.9205
1275		1597.2002	we had to do for that particular tryout.	1599.0747
1277		1600.6263	And so this thing that was supposed to set me apart, helped me	1603.4847
1279		1604.3427	build my own identity, all of a sudden became this	1606.7289
1281		1607.4610	dark cloud. And	1608.6454
1283		1608.9720	wasn't even sure if I wanted to do it anymore. Because I thought it was gonna be fun. I thought it was gonna be a way to meet	1613.6337
1285		1614.2352	new friends. And expand my circle and it turned into this big circus.	1618.2395
1287		1619.4612	Um,	1619.8995
1289		1620.0580	I remember,	1620.7575
1291		1621.3543	questioning,	1622.0118
1293		1622.5947	am I gonna do this?	1623.3267
1295		1623.4515	Am I really gonna do this?	1624.4773
1297		1625.7316	Went forward with it, and I'm- and I'm glad I did. Because cheering did end up being something I loved and something I really enjoyed. And	1630.6312
1299		1631.4239	had a lot of fun with it over the years.	1633.5315
1301		1634.7299	But my passion was always band.	1636.2255
1303		1636.6638	And music.	1637.3471
1305		1637.9321	Love the music.	1638.7528
1307		1639.7274	And	1640.0911
1309		1640.4128	having the opportunity to	1642.1161
1311		1643.3959	shine in a way that	1644.9360
1313		1646.2170	there was a natural talent there.	1647.6438
1315		1647.7872	Was a natural ability there.	1649.0067
1317		1649.7223	And enjoyed	1650.4917
1319		1652.5935	expressing that part of my	1654.8830
1321		1655.9181	personality that I do have.	1657.6481
1323		1658.6320	Uh, a passion for	1660.0763
1325		1661.8715	art.	1662.3984
1327		1662.5896	And the arts.	1663.3963
1329		1663.6201	So that was-	1664.5480
1331		1666.3281	that was the bright spot. The cheer, I thought was a way for me to	1669.9978
1333		1671.2137	meet new people. And it- and it did. It did end up being that, but it also set me apart.	1675.1258
1335		1675.5502	My sister wasn't a cheerleader.	1676.6972
1337		1677.1950	I don't even think anybody in my family	1679.1767
1339		1680.0254	thought I could	1680.5383
1341		1680.9813	do it. It was just so far from	1682.5247
1343		1683.0609	anything any of-	1683.7079
1345		1684.1089	anything anyone in my family had done before.	1685.8855
1347		1686.7994	Which,	1687.1398
1349		1687.3823	was probably all the more reason why I wanted to do it.	1689.1682
1351		1689.3069	Cause they didn't think that I could.	1690.3819
1353		1691.3306	Um,	1691.8109
1355		1692.8824	<ts>	1692.9682
1357		1693.0512	but then in middle school there's also the	1694.8791
1359		1696.5193	<laugh> the transition into,	1699.4289
1361		1700.5340	uh,	1701.2195
1363		1704.0813	that- that drama that is middle school. (laughing)	1706.3557
1364	VLD_int_01	1707.1204	Hm.	1707.6893
1365	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1707.8385	[Uh.]	1708.4587
1366	VLD_int_01	1708.0711	[So much] of that.	1708.9623
1367	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1709.2980	There- there was a lot of that.	1710.4870
1369		1711.2517	And	1711.7320
1371		1713.3675	working through that, you know, you meet your best friend, right?	1716.5977
1373		1717.4149	Who didn't like you at first.	1719.3873
1375		1719.8478	S-	1720.1835
1377		1720.4167	[Crazy]	1721.2327
1378	VLD_int_01	1720.4260	[Is this- is this] backwards talk, or is this like straight talk.	1723.0699
1379	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1723.0932	This is	1723.4522
1381		1723.6481	totally straight talk.	1725.5426
1383		1726.3094	My best friend did not like me, (laughing) <laugh>	1729.2577
1385		1729.9605	when we first met. (laughing)	1731.3780
1387		1732.7711	To this day,	1733.3959
1389		1734.0347	would you-	1734.2912
1391		1734.8414	would you care-	1735.2750
1393		1735.6854	enlighten me as to why you didn't	1737.2848
1395		1737.9084	like me	1738.3654
1397		1738.8037	as the best friend?	1739.6129
1398	VLD_int_01	1740.0860	Uh,	1740.2912
1400		1740.4777	Mm-hm.	1740.7342
1401	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1740.8974	[Yeah.]	1741.0699
1402	VLD_int_01	1740.8974	[Um.]	1741.6248
1403		1742.2403	<ts>	1742.3242
1405		1742.8266	I really- I don't know.	1744.0788
1406	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1744.2467	<laugh>	1744.6477
1408		1744.9483	[<laugh>]	1745.6897
1409	VLD_int_01	1744.9623	[Um.]	1745.6803
1410		1745.9461	Can't really-	1746.6922
1412		1747.0652	I'm not sure what happened there.	1748.2076
1413	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1748.6040	Not sure at all?	1749.3361
1414	VLD_int_01	1749.4002	Mm-mm.	1749.8105
1415	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1749.8758	But it's okay, because we were forced together.	1752.0067
1417		1753.3776	L- who- what was it? Coach?	1754.6133
1418	VLD_int_01	1754.9525	[Coach-]	1755.2743
1419	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1755.1157	[Coach] /RD-NAME-2/?	1755.6706
1420	VLD_int_01	1756.3467	Hy- yeah. [Coach /RD-NAME-2/.]	1757.6430
1421	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1757.0322	[Coach /RD-NAME-2/.]	1757.6570
1422		1758.1420	And coach /RD-NAME-2/'s, uh,	1759.1911
1424		1759.9185	class. Which,	1760.6040
1426		1761.4701	not even sure I was even gonna get in.	1763.1394
1428		1763.6803	You know it's so funny, to be so smart,	1765.4289
1430		1766.2216	and have such great test scores and all that,	1768.2302
1432		1768.8457	they wanted to keep me out of gifted.	1770.2958
1434		1770.9859	Because I don't do very well	1772.5900
1436		1773.0784	on those	1773.6566
1438		1774.2395	analogies.	1775.2933
1440		1775.4892	This is to that as this is to- I- That's just- My brain doesn't think like that.	1778.9490
1442		1780.1323	So for two years, I was kept out of gifted classes, because that score	1784.3895
1444		1784.6739	wasn't	1785.1402
1446		1786.5193	the best in comparison to	1788.7621
1448		1789.0559	all my other scores	1790.0165
1450		1790.7998	but you know, that's when advocacy comes in.	1792.5939
1452		1793.6104	<ts>	1793.7316
1454		1793.8529	Cause mama	1794.5150
1456		1795.5035	was like, this is ridiculous.	1796.8837
1458		1797.4794	And she stood up for me.	1799.0975
1460		1799.3586	And	1799.7270
1462		1800.0067	got me into gifted	1800.8834
1464		1801.5735	and aren't we glad she did. Cause then I wouldn't have been in coach /RD-NAME-2/'s class.	1804.4027
1466		1804.8923	Then we wouldn't have been forced to work on our history day project together. (laughing) <laugh>	1808.0069
1468		1809.3769	In which case,	1810.3980
1470		1810.5799	yeah the rest is history.	1811.6290
1472		1812.6176	But, um,	1813.2284
1473	VLD_int_01	1813.7274	No pun intended.	1814.5760
1474	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1815.4375	Oh, it was history wasn't it.	1816.7011
1476		1817.4798	It was great.	1817.9368
1478		1818.2679	So, I think that in middle school,	1821.1262
1480		1822.2955	it was my time for	1823.8202
1482		1824.3005	figuring out who I was, what I wanted to do.	1826.6320
1484		1827.5121	And	1828.0017
1486		1828.5939	in that time,	1830.1793
1488		1830.4963	of	1831.0139
1490		1831.3730	grade school growing up, because by the time I got to high school,	1833.8898
1492		1835.3166	I felt a lot more sure of who I was and what I wanted to do. And- and how I wanted to spend my time in high school and w-	1841.5451
1494		1841.8435	what came next with college and all that.	1843.8439
1496		1844.3091	but in middle school I felt like that was my formative time.	1846.8130
1498		1847.2653	And	1847.8575
1500		1848.2772	getting the opportunity to	1850.0584
1502		1850.5200	experience.	1851.6032
1504		1852.3001	All that is the drama of middle school from	1854.9347
1506		1855.5455	your best friend	1856.4035
1508		1856.7287	not liking you at first. And then becoming your best friend. And then getting mad at you.	1860.5150
1510		1861.0979	And then	1861.7180
1512		1861.9931	figuring out how to fix it.	1863.5692
1514		1863.7219	And then	1864.2675
1516		1864.9623	going through	1865.9275
1518		1868.8546	dealing with other people in your relationship. And	1871.7783
1520		1873.2030	how to navigate not	1875.4051
1522		1875.8857	letting other people	1877.3632
1524		1878.2803	ruin your relationship. I think we've	1880.2050
1526		1880.6053	also	1881.2466
1528		1881.8348	had practice at that later,	1883.2585
1530		1883.5523	in	1883.9253
1532		1884.8690	life as well.	1885.8993
1533	VLD_int_01	1887.0654	That was very passive aggressive actually.	1888.8707
1534	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1888.9670	No, not at all.	1889.8501
1535	VLD_int_01	1889.9350	Mm, little bit.	1890.7105
1536	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1891.0728	No.	1891.4011
1537	VLD_int_01	1891.5030	Oh, okay.	1891.9899
1538	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1892.4597	It wasn't meant to be.	1893.1164
1539	VLD_int_01	1893.2239	Oh, hm.	1893.8240
1540	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1894.3782	No it wasn't.	1894.8537
1542		1895.3632	It was truly meant to say that n-	1897.0332
1544		1897.4294	I think that laid a foundation for how we've	1900.0391
1546		1900.5707	been able to, deal with other people in our relationship.	1903.6276
1548		1904.5673	Cause there has- that has happened multiple times.	1906.6866
1550		1907.5047	A- and	1908.2293
1552		1910.0691	I don't think if we hadn't of made it passed some of those couple	1912.8143
1554		1913.2613	instances we had in middle school we wouldn't have	1915.4125
1556		1915.7804	been able to deal with the ones we've had later	1917.7221
1558		1919.1481	in life.	1919.7538
1560		1920.3709	So middle school was my,	1921.6559
1562		1923.4895	coming of age almost.	1924.8877
1563	VLD_int_01	1928.1110	Yeah. I think, um,	1929.8976
1565		1930.3613	when I think of for me, when I think of middle school and I think of-	1933.1351
1567		1933.4577	Yeah, the whole,	1934.6465
1569		1935.3768	um, seventh grade was weird.	1936.8143
1571		1937.3859	Um, but eighth grade,	1938.7048
1573		1939.0275	I think paw prints, was like our thing,	1941.6428
1575		1942.3273	um, [/we were reading-/]	1943.5330
1576	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1943.1708	[Still have that] issue.	1944.1331
1577	VLD_int_01	1944.5124	Me too.	1945.3275
1578	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1945.3162	With the picture that we took together. Nobody else had done that before.	1947.8976
1579		1949.1368	Pioneers.	1949.9746
1580	VLD_int_01	1950.1274	Exactly.	1950.7332
1582		1950.9652	[Pioneer-]	1951.7295
1583	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1950.9709	[Pioneers.]	1951.7578
1584	VLD_int_01	1952.1767	Um,	1952.7484
1586		1953.0541	and doing all of those things. So let's talk about high school a little bit, cause I think-	1956.5746
1588		1957.3389	Talk about how high school- The importance of high school- First of all in our town,	1961.1424
1590		1961.8557	um, and then kind of your own high school experience.	1964.4144
1591	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	1965.7674	<laugh>	1966.1636
1593		1968.2350	<sigh>	1968.7954
1595		1969.1804	I bleed black and gold like	1970.8560
1597		1971.2409	every other /RD-SCHOOL-3/ Wildcat. I am definitely a Wildcat and I'm happy to be a Wildcat.	1975.4917
1599		1976.3635	I'll always be a Wildcat, first and foremost. In fact, I identify more as a Wildcat than I do as a /RD-SCHOOL-5/ General,	1982.5843
1601		1983.0541	or a	1983.8240
1603		1985.1424	/RD-SCHOOL-3/	1986.0765
1605		1986.8464	/RD-SCHOOL-4/. See? I- I had to think about what the mascot is. I don't-	1989.7787
1607		1989.9485	I don't even know what the mascot is.	1990.8143
1609		1992.2746	I am definitely a Wildcat. And am proud of it, cause	1995.2353
1611		1995.9650	in Valdosta, th- that's just-	1998.2010
1613		1999.5257	when you talk about Friday Night Lights,	2001.1882
1615		2001.8348	there's nothing like	2003.5783
1617		2005.0785	Valdosta	2006.3465
1619		2007.0824	Lowndes County	2008.0448
1621		2008.3679	football.	2009.0122
1623		2009.7708	And being a part of something so	2012.5050
1625		2012.7258	special.	2013.4447
1627		2014.1178	Being a marching cat meant something. I mean,	2016.9143
1629		2017.6615	yes we had the football team,	2018.9918
1631		2019.3032	I don't know if you remember,	2020.2259
1633		2020.5820	it was that game,	2021.3519
1635		2021.6180	I don't remember who we were playing,	2022.7105
1637		2023.3615	but we had a competition the next day,	2025.0201
1639		2025.7272	and /RD-NAME-2/ had us leave	2027.5274
1641		2028.0822	at half time	2028.8747
1643		2029.0954	because he wanted us to you know, get packed up,	2031.0824
1645		2031.4277	get rest,	2032.1240
1647		2032.1971	cause we had to go to competition.	2033.2217
1649		2033.7708	We were winning before half time,	2035.2936
1651		2036.1201	the band left,	2037.0881
1653		2037.5687	we ended up losing the game. And we're almost ostracized at school the next	2041.5030
1655		2042.2106	Monday, because it was our fault that	2043.9655
1657		2044.1523	the team lost. How could you leave us? You were there- you- you were supposed to be there, to support us.	2048.7145
1659		2050.3103	Being in the band was,	2052.2803
1661		2052.6426	uh, yeah you have your typical kind of band geek	2055.4277
1663		2055.6825	stereotypes and stuff, but	2057.3745
1665		2058.0221	for us it wasn't just oh	2060.6126
1667		2060.7824	those band nerds. Being a marching cat was actually	2063.2726
1669		2063.9520	important, it	2065.0275
1671		2065.3842	it was	2065.9502
1673		2066.2729	not	2066.8730
1675		2068.5141	a scarlet letter,	2069.6123
1677		2071.6842	and being a part of that meant something to me. I enjoyed it.	2074.8143
1679		2075.3915	Yeah, we have some of the	2077.6389
1681		2078.6635	most,	2079.6768
1683		2081.1311	oh, how do you put it?	2083.0445
1685		2085.4838	They're the best and worst memories all at the same time. There's	2088.6086
1687		2090.2729	twelve seconds to the moon and	2091.8693
1689		2092.1631	getting the baton thrown out and we out in the parking lot,	2095.1238
1691		2096.7371	screaming and honking horns cause we're frustrated and he's frustrated and everybody's frustrated,	2102.0465
1693		2102.7937	to	2103.4957
1695		2104.3839	grand champions all four years, to	2107.0049
1697		2108.5333	realizing that	2109.7570
1699		2110.0952	we had two of the	2111.1708
1701		2111.8557	best band directors together,	2113.5936
1703		2114.2729	that probably any band could ask for.	2116.2882
1705		2117.2726	Separate,	2117.8614
1707		2118.2690	maybe not so much,	2119.2709
1709		2119.6729	but together,	2120.8333
1711		2121.6542	we had	2122.3026
1713		2123.7510	an amazing instructing staff who could	2126.9517
1715		2128.3660	really get the best out of	2130.0966
1717		2131.4940	you know, some teenagers.	2132.7408
1719		2133.3239	And not just on the field, not just behind the music stand, but	2137.2645
1721		2137.5127	as people.	2138.3066
1723		2138.9393	I remember being	2140.2171
1725		2140.5893	required to have a planner.	2141.8981
1727		2142.5388	And making sure that we brought our planner.	2144.2074
1729		2144.6230	And we're having planner checks. And	2146.6513
1731		2147.1103	staying on top of our	2148.3881
1733		2148.7311	responsibilities and	2149.7360
1735		2149.9593	feeling very	2150.9207
1737		2153.1785	in control feeling very like, we- we've been given	2156.1329
1739		2157.0137	a lot of responsibility as student leaders.	2159.0917
1741		2159.9291	To self govern. To self manage.	2162.4183
1743		2163.6775	To not just settle for	2166.3385
1745		2167.1839	where the band directors	2168.3562
1747		2168.9690	do what we tell you to,	2170.3288
1749		2171.6810	but so much more than that. We want you to be fully productive people and contributing members of society. It was bigger than	2178.4749
1751		2179.3266	just the music.	2180.0833
1753		2181.3933	So band was probably,	2183.2632
1755		2184.5078	the	2185.1777
1757		2186.7780	central part	2187.5879
1759		2187.8546	I would say for-	2188.7878
1761		2189.6065	for high school.	2190.3943
1763		2190.7745	The band room was like	2192.0151
1765		2194.5396	the center of	2195.5569
1767		2196.5016	my high school universe, it-	2198.5423
1769		2198.7284	There before school,	2199.8946
1771		2200.2295	there during lunch, whether we were supposed to be there or not.	2202.3509
1773		2202.7807	There after school.	2203.6553
1775		2204.2074	It- There	2205.1502
1777		2205.6588	you know, whether it was right after school, or coming back for band practice and being there.	2210.8277
1779		2211.4666	Sectionals and rehearsals and	2213.2592
1781		2214.2038	band camp and being there early, before band camp to get the music together, get the lockers done. And	2219.9043
1783		2220.8714	ther- It- Just everything I remember about high school, there's so much	2224.4264
1785		2225.3548	about	2225.8756
1787		2226.1247	school I don't remember,	2227.9300
1789		2228.6376	there's so much I remember about being a part	2231.3095
1791		2232.1977	of the band. And	2233.3469
1793		2234.1621	the times that we shared, the good and the bad.	2237.0887
1795		2237.8756	Lassiter,	2238.7134
1797		2240.8571	<laugh>	2241.6265
1799		2242.1301	the /cutie/	2242.8113
1800	VLD_int_01	2243.6584	[<laugh>]	2245.7567
1801	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	2243.9148	[<laugh>]	2245.3510
1802		2245.8033	[<laugh>]	2246.5027
1803	VLD_int_01	2246.2243	[Orange] shirt.	2247.0282
1804	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	2247.2489	Orange shirt.	2248.8510
1806		2249.4623	A- and just	2250.3511
1808		2250.8487	that wasn't-	2251.4601
1810		2252.0771	That's not bad.	2252.8583
1812		2253.2942	It wasn't good,	2254.3358
1814		2254.7774	but that's not bad.	2255.7737
1816		2256.6449	Those moments that	2257.9130
1818		2259.5207	many of us can- can sit and talk about	2262.9959
1820		2264.1394	and know that	2264.9433
1822		2265.4867	we experience that together. We grew together.	2267.8699
1824		2269.6186	A lot of what we learned, I think, honestly, we've carried into adulthood.	2273.4623
1826		2274.1241	That is	2274.7921
1828		2275.0525	what I most cherished about high school.	2277.7754
1830		2278.1717	When people say, oh I would go do college again, I would never do college again.	2280.8040
1832		2281.3016	I would totally do high school again.	2282.4960
1834		2283.7245	I wouldn't do middle school again either.	2284.9868
1835	VLD_int_01	2285.8185	<laugh>	2286.3110
1836	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	2286.3223	Definitely wouldn't do middle school. I would do high school again though.	2288.9489
1838		2289.3791	Cause I had-	2290.2283
1840		2291.6208	i- it wasn't all sunshine and roses. I mean, there were ups and downs, just like any other	2295.7414
1842		2296.1434	high school	2296.8736
1844		2297.0661	experience,	2297.9435
1846		2298.1869	but	2298.4360
1848		2299.3299	that's where I had	2300.5413
1850		2301.0848	the most fun,	2301.9282
1852		2302.5962	um,	2303.0831
1854		2304.5940	and in terms of who I was, yeah I was still trying to figure that out, but	2308.2453
1856		2309.1793	I felt very much so accepted for just who I was. The- the little	2313.0112
1858		2313.1810	sort of kind of band geek. But she- she kind of cool, she alright.	2316.6851
1860		2317.4601	Who was a cheerleader, but I made the choice. And I didn't	2320.0415
1862		2320.2169	want to do that anymore. I-	2321.7963
1864		2322.3393	And- and I had to make a choice.	2323.7092
1866		2323.9583	Couldn't do both. You couldn't do band and cheer at the same time. I had to make a choice.	2327.7227
1868		2328.5430	I was perfectly content with the choice I made. I wanted to do band.	2331.9509
1870		2333.2529	I wanted to be a part of Friday Night Lights.	2335.6573
1872		2335.7859	I wanted to be on the field.	2337.0904
1874		2338.2962	I wanted to	2339.2133
1876		2340.3279	be a part of something that is just	2342.3602
1878		2342.5923	Valdosta tradition and history.	2344.9812
1880		2345.7171	The	2346.2152
1882		2346.9846	times that we've	2348.0432
1884		2348.5187	been able to	2349.4301
1886		2350.1660	march every parade in the Winnersville Classic. And	2353.2337
1888		2354.8470	gosh. Those are the things that made high school	2357.2359
1890		2359.7998	everything it was.	2361.0735
1892		2362.1547	Besides	2362.7208
1894		2363.2189	then other stuff like	2364.1983
1896		2364.4525	you know, doing the announcements in the morning.	2365.9809
1898		2366.7225	in the principal's office.	2367.9056
1900		2368.3471	Wanting to be in the principal's office weird.	2370.4298
1902		2371.4771	And	2372.0319
1904		2372.3432	hanging out at,	2373.4527
1906		2374.4660	um,	2374.9755
1908		2377.0072	<ts> Hanging out in the principal's office. And	2379.1697
1910		2379.4131	deciding that, hey, we're gonna leave for lunch today, and walking by the principal and saying bye.	2383.1431
1912		2384.2470	And he saying okay.	2385.1867
1914		2386.2905	Even though we're technically skipping school.	2387.9152
1916		2388.1303	<laugh>	2388.8101
1918		2389.7148	I-	2389.9300
1920		2390.9885	High school just worked for me.	2392.5057
1921	VLD_int_01	2394.9903	<ts>	2395.2110
1923		2395.5620	Yep,	2396.0074
1925		2396.4239	pretty good.	2396.9716
1926	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	2397.6848	It was great.	2398.1320
1927	VLD_int_01	2398.2226	<laugh> It was- It was pretty	2400.3223
1929		2400.7129	darn good actually.	2401.5337
1931		2402.2187	Um,	2403.3169
1933		2404.2396	do you think that-	2405.8812
1935		2408.5527	Going back where you talked about like, the one white girl and- and how you took her spot,	2413.2337
1937		2414.4791	um,	2414.9999
1939		2415.6395	do you think there are like, issues of-	2418.0114
1941		2419.0978	Like it is the deep South-	2420.0319
1942	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	2420.2753	Mm-hm.	2420.5696
1943	VLD_int_01	2420.6036	Do you think there are like racial issues? Did you see that?	2422.9076
1945		2423.3944	[Even] beyond	2424.2152
1946	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	2423.4001	[Mm.]	2423.6378
1947	VLD_int_01	2424.7582	middle school, like [in high school?]	2426.1734
1948	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	2425.4544	[Absolutely.]	2426.1847
1949	VLD_int_01	2426.2979	Like,	2426.5017
1951		2426.7055	so tell me a little bit about it.	2427.8150
1952	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	2427.8886	Absolutely.	2428.4151
1954		2429.2189	I don't even know if you know this actually.	2430.6681
1956		2432.9319	So there was	2433.8999
1958		2434.5736	our relationship. And then there was the trio. There was me, you,	2438.1621
1960		2438.9489	um,	2439.4074
1962		2440.3698	well,	2440.6359
1964		2440.8566	and Jenny.	2441.4963
1966		2441.8303	And then sometimes /RD-NAME-3/.	2442.9884
1968		2443.1075	Yeah, and that	2443.5394
1970		2444.0149	as well.	2444.5187
1972		2445.2320	But then there was my relationship with /RD-NAME-4/.	2446.8340
1973	VLD_int_01	2447.0887	Mm-hm.	2447.3887
1974	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	2447.4114	And	2447.8699
1976		2448.2152	as you- I mean growing up we were close. Well,	2450.2073
1978		2450.4791	once we got to high school we were close,	2452.0811
1980		2453.1906	we-	2453.4550
1982		2454.5997	to a certain degree, it probably was	2456.1394
1984		2458.3415	maybe interfered in our relationship a little bit, because I was trying to figure out my	2462.7961
1986		2463.5999	friendships.	2464.4321
1988		2464.7321	And I was really really really close	2466.9172
1990		2467.5167	with /RD-NAME-4/.	2468.3036
1992		2469.5886	Her dad was a-	2470.4207
1994		2471.1963	a racist.	2472.0567
1996		2472.3228	And	2472.8040
1998		2473.7318	I remember f-	2475.2942
2000		2475.9905	finding that out.	2476.9019
2002		2477.6039	Her-	2477.9039
2004		2478.3336	her mommy, you knew her mom cause she was our- one of our band moms.	2481.5093
2006		2482.0018	Her mom was great. Molly was great.	2483.1963
2008		2483.7341	She-	2484.0228
2010		2484.4128	I was always welcome at her house.	2485.9356
2012		2486.5187	Sleepovers,	2487.8037
2014		2488.0925	ooh- <sigh>	2489.0774
2016		2489.4906	I mean we'd-	2489.8699
2018		2490.6902	I was at her house a lot.	2491.8592
2020		2492.6885	And there was one day,	2493.4980
2022		2494.2000	unexpectedly, her dad was coming over.	2497.0299
2024		2499.0225	I didn't think anything of it,	2500.4321
2026		2500.8963	but	2501.1567
2028		2501.3548	I had to leave.	2502.2096
2030		2502.7582	Because I couldn't be there	2504.3602
2032		2504.6829	when he got there, because I was a-	2506.2226
2034		2506.5057	a Black girl in-	2507.8869
2036		2508.6172	their house.	2509.3356
2038		2509.9809	I had no idea	2510.8753
2040		2511.5546	that	2511.8830
2042		2513.1283	it was like that.	2513.9718
2044		2515.2337	And	2515.6526
2046		2516.3262	her being concerned about	2517.8603
2048		2518.1320	me being seen in her car. Not cause she cared, but because her dad had paid for the car	2523.0112
2050		2523.7811	and she didn't wanna get in trouble	2525.2189
2052		2525.5925	by having a Black person in the car	2527.0945
2054		2527.9130	when	2528.4111
2056		2528.9206	he paid for the car.	2529.8490
2058		2534.5130	I think a lot of Black people have that, sort of, that moment you realize you were Black kind of thing.	2539.6639
2060		2540.6942	That happened a long time before, but	2542.6359
2062		2543.8473	i- at that stage of life,	2546.1904
2064		2546.7961	and having had	2547.7018
2066		2548.0018	such a diverse set of friends,	2549.8246
2068		2551.9017	yep, still the deep South. Yep, still those moments when you realize	2556.0794
2070		2557.5563	I'm a Black person. And I get reminded of that	2559.8320
2072		2560.4151	when it was so close to home with one of my closest friends,	2564.3715
2074		2567.9435	that hurt.	2568.5322
2076		2569.1940	And it-	2569.5111
2078		2569.7262	I wasn't upset with /RD-NAME-4/. I wasn't upset with her mom. I wasn't upset	2573.4567
2080		2574.1926	at them at all. I was jus- upset about	2576.8640
2082		2577.8490	not being able to	2579.3095
2084		2579.7284	do anything about it.	2580.6964
2086		2581.2280	I was upset that	2582.4847
2088		2586.3737	this	2586.8662
2090		2587.0412	person who I have	2588.5470
2092		2589.8830	loved for	2590.9925
2094		2591.3944	you know, as long as I had,	2592.6794
2096		2593.5733	there was this	2594.5017
2098		2596.5792	cloud that she had been managing. That I didn't even know about.	2600.4791
2100		2601.2489	And it was	2602.1094
2102		2603.6548	it was my fault.	2604.6624
2104		2604.8374	It felt like, it's my fault that she's worried about this. It's my fault that she's scared about this.	2610.6228
2106		2611.9583	And that	2612.3206
2108		2614.3132	was a realization for me at that age that	2617.5167
2110		2619.1438	you have to separate	2620.3641
2112		2621.6831	people's actions.	2622.6732
2114		2623.5337	I didn't want it to impact my relationship with her.	2626.1943
2116		2627.6245	But you also	2628.6681
2118		2630.0545	have to stand up for	2631.5660
2120		2632.9472	what you believe in too.	2634.0001
2122		2635.4318	And	2636.0262
2124		2636.4791	you know,	2636.9433
2126		2637.4754	fast forward-	2638.1773
2128		2638.3868	fast forwarding many years. You know she's married to a black man now and has five kids and	2643.3282
2130		2644.1320	is happily married to her husband.	2646.3964
2132		2649.0225	I don't know how that all-	2650.5226
2134		2651.0774	all the details of how that transpired. I do know he wasn't happy about it.	2654.4564
2136		2654.7848	Her dad wasn't happy about it when he first found out.	2656.7038
2138		2658.4864	But on her wedding day,	2659.8224
2140		2661.2603	I was in her wedding.	2662.0981
2142		2662.5396	And	2663.0378
2144		2663.6491	we were taking a- a picture,	2665.2620
2146		2665.8111	it was after the reception. And it was, a- a group of the bridesmaids and the	2670.2209
2148		2670.9110	groomsmen and- and family and some friends. It was- it was a big picture.	2674.6472
2150		2675.2642	And we took the picture and I was kind of in the front with /RD-NAME-4/.	2677.8221
2152		2678.0258	There were some people behind us, including	2679.8150
2154		2680.2000	her husband and- and her dad.	2681.6265
2156		2682.2152	I didn't know this at the time,	2683.3469
2158		2683.6639	Olivia and I went back and we were watching the video that was put together of the wedding,	2686.7604
2160		2687.6208	and the very last shot, is us all grouping together, to take this picture,	2691.6339
2162		2692.2736	it- it's almost	2693.2585
2164		2694.0907	surreal kind of thing. Everybody's laughing, we're all having a good time. And the very last shot is	2698.6528
2166		2699.7902	her husband and her dad,	2701.1488
2168		2701.6186	doing a high five, back behind us.	2703.6339
2170		2704.1434	We didn't know it happened, we didn't know it was there	2705.9626
2172		2706.2379	so now we're both like, in tears.	2707.9413
2174		2708.5696	Because that moment, represented so much more than just, oh we're all having a good time any other circumstance, anybody else,	2714.6998
2176		2715.3905	I don't even think I would've given it a second thought, I wouldn't have given it a second look.	2718.5204
2178		2719.0865	But that	2719.4601
2180		2719.6865	final moment of that video	2721.2942
2182		2721.6848	was	2721.9282
2184		2722.2169	this moment where-	2723.4227
2186		2725.2450	Coming from being	2726.5583
2188		2726.7734	this teenager in high school who had to leave her best friend's house because	2730.3285
2190		2731.3129	her best friend's dad was such a racist they didn't wanna see me	2733.8830
2192		2734.7038	get hurt by him,	2735.7793
2194		2736.3279	to	2736.9620
2196		2737.6186	him giving	2738.3998
2198		2738.9319	her Black husband a high five behind her head that she didn't even know about,	2742.3681
2200		2743.1771	and really welcoming him into his family,	2745.2263
2202		2747.3831	it helped me heal from that situation	2749.2676
2204		2751.1187	as I- I wondered	2752.4604
2206		2752.8566	how it was all gonna pan out. Here she is marrying him. Is he really gonna accept him? Is he really	2757.9849
2208		2758.5170	going to support her marriage? And	2760.0397
2210		2760.4412	I knew Olivia wanted to have kids. Is he gonna	2762.7791
2212		2763.0735	love his grandkids or not?	2764.7377
2214		2765.8586	And	2766.1473
2216		2766.5940	both of us, I think realized at that moment that no, really, it's okay.	2770.1021
2218		2770.3868	He's-	2770.7661
2220		2772.1473	Nobody's perfect.	2773.3639
2222		2773.7318	But he learned from that moment. And	2775.8943
2224		2776.7944	has been able to	2778.0171
2226		2779.3922	see the love between the two of them, to accept that.	2782.6528
2228		2783.4454	just because his skin color is different, doesn't mean their love isn't real.	2786.8866
2230		2788.1490	So that- I think racism and	2790.1247
2232		2790.4864	growing up in the deep South,	2792.4677
2234		2793.2942	there are times when	2794.4321
2236		2795.5699	living on the East Side and	2797.3129
2238		2798.9942	going to Valdosta where-	2800.3755
2240		2801.0887	Yeah, I mean we had- we had a mixed- at that time, we had a mixed population of	2804.9772
2242		2806.4377	folks at our school, but	2807.7114
2244		2808.3110	we- we were able to hang out with a fair amount of Black people, fair amount of white people.	2812.3075
2246		2814.5883	Always knowing that there's that opportunity,	2817.3169
2248		2817.7584	for it to happen.	2818.6528
2250		2819.3378	I think it put me on guard more	2820.7983
2252		2821.9752	than	2822.5244
2254		2823.5943	before that experience. Yeah I knew,	2825.8529
2256		2826.8714	but that experience really put me on guard.	2829.1301
2258		2830.5396	Going to the wedding and seeing that,	2832.6568
2260		2834.0658	gave me hope that	2835.0508
2262		2837.4284	you make choices,	2838.4247
2264		2839.4375	and you can make a choice to change. You can make a choice to accept. You can make a choice to	2844.3964
2266		2845.7092	educate yourself.	2846.7564
2268		2847.2206	And understand that	2848.2113
2270		2849.5133	what you may have thought was true,	2851.4318
2272		2852.8244	maybe isn't.	2853.4244
2273	VLD_int_01	2856.8714	So,	2857.5394
2275		2859.5603	then you went to college,	2860.8575
2276	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	2861.0604	Mm-hm.	2861.4906
2277	VLD_int_01	2862.1241	um,	2862.8148
2279		2863.9017	and then from college you kind of, moved into	2866.8793
2281		2867.3265	Corporate America.	2868.2209
2283		2868.4751	So kind of talk a little bit about-	2869.8337
2285		2870.3092	about college and kind of how	2872.3075
2287		2872.8679	that was a very	2873.6718
2289		2873.9209	different experience from	2875.7771
2291		2878.0188	Valdosta. And like leaving Valdosta. And	2880.1586
2292	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	2884.7208	Like I said, college I wouldn't do again.	2886.0341
2294		2886.2459	<laugh>	2886.8661
2295	VLD_int_01	2887.2337	So-	2887.5167
2296	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	2887.6186	Would not do that again.	2888.3375
2297	VLD_int_01	2888.3828	Note, college is- is over. Not [redoing it.]	2891.5303
2298	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	2890.7604	[One and done.]	2891.4793
2299		2893.5507	<ts> I am	2894.1677
2301		2894.8300	happy I went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/	2896.4547
2303		2896.8340	for the education.	2897.9039
2305		2898.5147	I had a	2898.9733
2307		2900.0998	very	2900.5527
2309		2903.1736	rigorous	2904.2096
2311		2904.5770	academic	2905.4601
2313		2905.9130	experience	2906.9772
2315		2908.1037	at /RD-SCHOOL-3/ and I appreciate that. Great professors,	2910.9172
2317		2911.8960	It was a great learning environment actually. It really was.	2914.4038
2319		2914.6755	Um,	2915.1114
2321		2916.2152	so for the academic experience,	2918.2753
2323		2918.9036	truly appreciate that.	2920.0698
2325		2921.0887	The social experience not so much.	2923.2167
2327		2924.1168	And, um,	2924.7961
2329		2925.2206	you-	2925.4018
2331		2925.6169	I w- I think I would have thought, after having the experiences I had in Valdosta, that I	2929.6413
2333		2931.4924	understood	2932.7208
2335		2934.3506	racism. And I understood	2936.0149
2337		2937.5886	how that could manifest itself in how people treat you.	2940.8040
2339		2942.1111	What I was not prepared for I think as much was classism.	2944.9019
2341		2945.9147	And going to a	2947.3412
2343		2947.6865	liberal arts school where, you know	2950.3585
2345		2950.6981	tuition was high. And	2952.2379
2347		2952.9733	most of the kids there were either paying for it you know, themselves or	2957.2019
2349		2957.8020	you know, their parents	2958.6851
2351		2959.6186	funding their education.	2961.5490
2353		2962.8835	<ts>	2962.9930
2355		2963.6888	Was very different from me.	2964.8096
2357		2965.9186	And it became very clear that class mattered. In a way that I didn't experience at Valdosta.	2971.3526
2359		2972.0828	I- I just hadn't experienced that level of classism. So	2975.4963
2361		2976.3449	going to that school,	2978.0149
2363		2978.6659	while- again, I wouldn't do it again,	2980.4887
2365		2981.0151	I learned a lot.	2981.7680
2367		2982.6393	And I think it actually prepared me in a lot of ways for Corporate America.	2985.3848
2369		2986.8340	And figuring out how to	2988.2379
2371		2989.0242	navigate that. Figuring out how to navigate an environment that I'm not	2992.5792
2373		2993.1793	from.	2993.7907
2375		2994.5091	My parents aren't	2995.3809
2377		2995.8847	corporate,	2996.2979
2379		2997.1301	uh, you know,	2997.9056
2381		2999.5020	they certainly had	3000.6681
2383		3000.9506	decent jobs, but not to the level of	3004.3302
2385		3004.5849	a corporate executive, or	3006.3001
2387		3006.9959	even	3007.5280
2389		3008.5696	you know, senior management in a- in a major corporation. So,	3012.1699
2391		3013.5846	I didn't have that background. I didn't have that	3015.7245
2393		3016.5170	built in support system.	3018.1699
2395		3018.7129	And I think	3019.2337
2397		3019.6016	/RD-SCHOOL-5/	3020.5864
2399		3020.8198	gave me that in a lot of ways.	3022.4887
2401		3022.8170	Because	3023.4454
2403		3025.6186	those kids could be brutal.	3026.9319
2405		3028.7944	They had	3029.3661
2407		3029.9656	different expectations than I had. They've	3032.0262
2409		3032.5244	felt very much so entitled to things that I didn't,	3035.0458
2411		3036.4062	that I felt like I needed to work for, that they felt like they should just	3039.3671
2413		3039.5117	have by right.	3040.4396
2415		3041.8187	So,	3042.1591
2417		3042.4295	college was	3043.4553
2419		3044.3786	a new kind of awakening. It was almost this-	3046.8266
2421		3049.0963	realizing when I went to college, that yeah I had more to learn,	3052.0339
2423		3053.0691	college	3053.5727
2425		3053.9212	I felt like, taught me just how much I didn't know.	3056.3833
2427		3057.1200	And [how] much m-	3057.9080
2428	VLD_int_01	3057.3298	[Mm.]	3057.5630
2429	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	3058.1132	m-	3058.2391
2431		3059.3395	more I needed to	3061.2175
2433		3061.5253	experience.	3062.6304
2435		3063.7122	So /RD-SCHOOL-5/ is a	3065.3908
2437		3065.9585	small small small school. And- and I knew that going in. And I appreciated that. I wanted small class sizes. I wanted	3072.4493
2439		3073.7584	to engage. And it was essentially the same size as	3076.7287
2441		3077.5960	our high school, so.	3078.6405
2443		3079.3341	I felt comfortable	3080.6863
2445		3081.0407	there.	3081.4744
2447		3081.7495	And in my mind it was going to be a similar experience.	3084.3187
2449		3084.6841	In reality it wasn't.	3085.8358
2451		3086.6379	Still appreciate the small class size, did not appreciate	3088.9273
2453		3089.5382	just how divided the school was.	3091.6726
2455		3092.5819	Um, how	3093.8689
2457		3094.5730	the haves and the have nots were very clear.	3096.6713
2459		3097.7146	And	3098.1809
2461		3099.6171	all the way to the experience of being asked by another white student,	3103.2017
2463		3105.1041	how it felt knowing that the only reason I was at the school, was because I was black.	3109.1982
2465		3109.3742	And so they needed to meet	3110.5959
2467		3110.8990	basically certain quotas and	3112.4144
2469		3113.3656	I didn't earn my right to be there. I wasn't	3115.3101
2471		3116.0969	inherently smart enough, or	3117.9201
2473		3118.3072	capable of actually	3119.7340
2475		3120.6328	achieving success at the school. I was simply there because	3123.5751
2477		3123.9621	of a diversity initiative.	3125.5428
2479		3127.5700	I mean I- I had never been-	3129.1508
2481		3131.9858	I had never been	3133.0163
2483		3134.3721	treated that way,	3135.7476
2485		3136.7361	middle school, high school	3137.9858
2487		3138.9032	cause nobody ever questioned whether, or not I was intelligent,	3141.2254
2489		3141.8502	at least not to my face. <laugh>	3143.0159
2491		3143.4589	Or whether I was capable,	3144.7552
2493		3145.1131	I'd always felt like people acknowledged me as being	3147.8968
2495		3148.1206	smart.	3148.6056
2497		3148.9460	And	3149.3377
2499		3149.8786	intelligent. And	3151.0349
2501		3151.7519	capable.	3152.4606
2503		3152.7404	But for the first time, I literally was being looked at as somebody who was here,	3156.4148
2505		3158.5679	as a quota.	3159.3466
2507		3160.6196	So it taught me a lot about that and	3162.3682
2509		3163.2343	going through that experience,	3166.2186
2511		3166.6615	prepared me a lot for getting into Corporate America, because now,	3169.6411
2513		3171.3419	I feel much more in tune to when those situations happen, when people are looking at me	3175.8778
2515		3176.6891	as less than capable.	3177.8175
2517		3178.4237	And what I need to do in that situation. And how do you navigate when	3181.6038
2519		3182.3767	<laugh>	3182.7311
2521		3184.4330	you're-	3184.7641
2523		3185.2071	The person looking at you isn't al-	3187.1515
2525		3187.5840	isn't seeing you as standing on your own merits.	3189.7802
2527		3190.3724	So we've-	3191.1092
2529		3192.8333	I've had several situations where that has happened in Corporate America. And it's been-	3196.8993
2531		3198.2178	I flash back to those times when I was in school and say, you know what? It's okay.	3201.8082
2533		3202.6242	I got this.	3203.3423
2535		3204.2562	Navigate through that and find a way for myself	3206.7357
2537		3207.4818	to	3208.1160
2539		3209.3516	reassert that, no, I am here. I'm here for a reason. I have the ability to be successful. I	3214.0693
2541		3214.8340	have every quality that it takes to be	3217.4266
2543		3218.2834	where I am in my career,	3219.9201
2545		3221.0485	but I don't think I would've had that experience, had I not been at a place like /RD-SCHOOL-5/.	3224.8197
2546	VLD_int_01	3225.5797	Hm.	3225.7895
2547	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	3226.1859	Very different.	3226.7594
2549		3227.8505	I think it's a	3228.5220
2551		3230.2042	random kind of	3231.1507
2553		3231.9341	memory I have. We had	3233.3796
2555		3235.1084	a mock convention	3236.1808
2557		3236.6798	just once every four years,	3238.3444
2559		3238.8154	during the presidential election year.	3240.8484
2561		3241.6120	And it's always for the party that's out of office.	3243.7243
2563		3244.7641	So the year that	3245.9998
2565		3246.1676	we were in school,	3247.6551
2567		3248.6518	it woulda been Democratic.	3249.7056
2569		3250.1859	So we had a Democratic	3251.0625
2571		3251.2397	convention, mock convention where we	3253.0955
2573		3253.6539	go through all that process of	3255.5377
2575		3256.3118	you know, figuring out for each delegation	3258.2515
2577		3258.5208	what the vote was gonna be. So who the	3261.5750
2579		3262.1113	potential party's nominee would be for president.	3264.7038
2581		3265.6446	And so far the school has	3267.4118
2583		3267.6030	some ridiculous ninety something percent	3269.5428
2585		3270.3588	accuracy rate of	3271.3613
2587		3271.5747	predicting who the presidential nominee will be.	3273.9994
2589		3274.5169	They even got it right	3275.3516
2591		3276.8286	with number forty-five.	3277.6959
2593		3278.6331	They chose the p-	3279.6030
2595		3279.8548	the correct	3280.6335
2597		3281.8972	eventual presidential nominee	3283.4033
2599		3285.0575	that year.	3285.8968
2601		3287.0718	Idaho	3287.6220
2603		3288.8472	delegation,	3289.6446
2605		3290.1995	every- every delegation does shirts. T-shirts.	3292.5356
2607		3293.5661	That year the Idaho delegation decided that they wanted to do	3296.7590
2609		3297.3792	a shirt	3297.8595
2611		3298.2512	of a caricature	3299.1977
2613		3299.9997	of a black woman.	3300.7225
2615		3302.7637	I dash	3303.5937
2617		3303.7802	duh	3304.2651
2619		3304.4423	dash ho	3305.1464
2621		3306.0790	And-	3306.3308
2623		3307.2063	thought that that was okay.	3308.7124
2625		3311.1837	The f-	3311.5801
2627		3311.8179	frustrating part,	3312.9277
2629		3313.5746	was not so much that they thought that the shirt was okay, but that we got no support	3317.0951
2631		3317.9718	from our administration	3319.0722
2633		3320.1762	to	3320.8383
2635		3321.2253	get them to get rid of the shirts, because they paid for them with their own money.	3324.0790
2637		3325.0710	So,	3325.5653
2639		3325.9057	it was okay	3326.5119
2641		3326.7823	for them to walk around campus	3328.0506
2643		3328.4563	with shirts	3329.0345
2645		3330.2049	of	3330.7598
2647		3331.2296	a-	3331.4161
2649		3331.7798	a black woman in caricature,	3333.2346
2651		3333.5704	calling her a ho.	3334.2884
2653		3338.1948	Frustrating to say the least.	3339.6356
2655		3349.9243	Yeah, kind of hard to	3350.7870
2657		3354.9090	express what that was like.	3356.6098
2659		3360.5301	By the end of the day,	3361.1363
2661		3361.4627	I'll say this,	3362.0969
2663		3362.8476	the school has changed a lot.	3363.9107
2665		3365.3749	I think society has forced that.	3366.7726
2667		3370.1532	Since I've graduated, obviously.	3371.8598
2669		3372.1349	Back in	3372.5406
2671		3372.8938	what? Two thousand five? That was our graduation year? Two thousand five?	3375.0294
2673		3375.8501	So twelve years later.	3376.6102
2675		3378.5814	Wow.	3379.0524
2677		3379.3088	Twelve years later.	3379.9523
2678	VLD_int_01	3380.0176	Have a seven year old.	3380.7087
2679	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	3381.2673	Ooh. <sigh>	3382.0226
2681		3382.6801	Um,	3383.2397
2683		3384.4369	A lot	3385.2809
2685		3385.4860	has changed in the world.	3386.7543
2687		3387.6076	Twelve years later, we've had a Black president since then. (laughing)	3390.0044
2689		3391.4953	Um,	3392.0456
2691		3392.5258	they've	3393.4631
2693		3393.8734	had to make changes too.	3394.9086
2695		3395.4868	And some reconciliation.	3396.8344
2697		3397.4021	And the school is named /RD-SCHOOL-5/.	3398.9175
2699		3400.3770	Two	3400.6708
2701		3401.0998	white slave owning men.	3402.1629
2703		3403.5886	One	3404.0036
2705		3404.2181	general for the confederacy.	3405.6123
2707		3407.3143	And I've been asked, well	3408.5453
2709		3409.1829	why'd you decide to go to that school? How could you go to that school? Kind of questions.	3412.2231
2711		3414.1769	And the end of the day, I don't think that we should	3416.5445
2713		3417.4957	forget the history of our country. The history of our country is what it is,	3421.4778
2715		3424.6241	just like I don't	3425.4681
2717		3426.1396	believe that we	3427.4359
2719		3427.6399	destroy every confederate monument that there is. There's a time and a place.	3431.7479
2721		3432.5826	We have holocaust museums. We don't forget it,	3435.2906
2723		3436.3024	we don't praise it. We don't	3437.7432
2725		3438.3168	celebrate it.	3439.6724
2727		3439.9756	But we remember it and we learn from it.	3442.0133
2729		3443.7013	/RD-SCHOOL-5/,	3444.6572
2731		3445.2902	as an academic institution, has a very strong reputation as a very academically rigorous school that	3450.4240
2733		3450.8892	you can get great professors. And you can get great classes and	3453.3418
2735		3453.9200	you have small class sizes and you can	3455.7805
2737		3456.4182	do great research. I mean I had the opportunity to work with	3459.1087
2739		3459.9014	great	3460.3630
2741		3460.6754	economics professors. And do amazing econometric research and things that I enjoyed around socioeconomic wage gaps.	3467.2816
2743		3468.0043	I most likely- Who knows, if I would've had the same opportunity at a big state school. I don't know, maybe, maybe not.	3473.4308
2745		3474.1023	So I had some great opportunities there. And I wouldn't-	3476.8989
2747		3478.3210	Although I wouldn't go do it again, once again. I- I also would [not-]	3482.1481
2748	VLD_int_01	3481.4813	[Mm.]	3481.8357
2749	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	3483.0108	not have done it the first time.	3484.7174
2751		3485.0158	I'm glad I did it. I'm glad I went through that experience.	3487.2866
2753		3487.7798	And I think	3488.2880
2755		3488.4512	/RD-SCHOOL-5/	3489.4910
2757		3490.3490	as a university has a lot to	3492.1909
2759		3492.4893	reconcile	3493.1421
2761		3493.6352	about how	3494.4092
2763		3494.7030	student life either	3496.3910
2765		3497.6360	promotes	3498.4053
2767		3499.0861	assimilation, or does it promote inclusion?	3501.6636
2769		3502.5448	And	3503.0065
2771		3503.4914	there's some work to do there.	3504.4753
2773		3504.8612	I	3505.1363
2775		3505.3834	haven't been back to campus in a while. And I don't really know exactly how things feel today,	3509.3096
2777		3509.8784	but I can say that from what I've seen, and from what I've heard from alumni who've graduated since, that things are changing. And	3515.6919
2779		3516.1442	the conversations are happening.	3517.5011
2781		3518.3206	So,	3518.7729
2783		3519.0061	I'd like to think that some of the things that we raised when we were there. And	3522.9276
2785		3523.3554	standing firm on that shirt being wrong,	3525.7895
2787		3525.9060	or	3526.3024
2789		3527.0578	when one of the fraternities decided that they were going to take a black Santa Claus and hang it over the balcony with	3532.0226
2791		3532.3070	Christmas lights around its neck.	3533.8318
2793		3534.6292	No matter how	3535.5338
2795		3537.6216	just	3538.1345
2797		3538.6148	idiotic it may have been,	3540.2468
2799		3542.0129	be more aware	3543.0760
2801		3543.5143	of who your	3544.3070
2803		3544.5495	peers are	3545.3608
2805		3545.7525	be more aware of	3547.1001
2807		3547.5606	creating an environment where	3549.1739
2809		3549.6449	your	3550.0319
2811		3550.4562	frat brothers, or sorority sisters feel welcome. And feel	3553.6723
2813		3554.0315	that this is a place where they can be	3555.8780
2815		3556.4516	all that they came to be	3558.3820
2817		3559.1736	is important.	3559.9756
2819		3560.2180	And	3560.6843
2821		3561.5097	you don't get to be-	3563.0251
2823		3563.7945	you don't get to feign ignorance. You don't get to-	3566.1528
2825		3568.1811	You don't have that opportunity to just say, well	3571.2213
2827		3571.9662	this is our school, deal with it.	3574.3443
2829		3575.8971	The institution is there for higher education and for learning and for	3579.3744
2831		3580.0599	advancing our society. So let it be for that purpose. And ensure that all students, no matter what their background is, can do that.	3587.0580
2833		3587.5287	So I think the school is going through those changes,	3589.4451
2835		3590.0129	I'm glad I've had the opportunity to contribute. I'm glad that I went to that school,	3593.1277
2837		3593.5893	and I'm hopeful that	3594.3820
2839		3594.6326	going forward,	3595.4300
2841		3595.9056	the things that	3596.6843
2843		3597.0294	I did during my time there and bringing up those concerns. And raising those concerns,	3601.1374
2845		3601.8124	will continue to	3602.9268
2847		3603.1646	go from class to class and	3604.9318
2849		3605.6126	there'll be some changes there.	3606.6991
2851		3607.3367	I think that experience at /RD-SCHOOL-5/	3609.9526
2853		3610.6008	probably couldn't have set me up better for what	3612.4706
2855		3613.8403	was to come	3614.6983
2857		3615.6122	in going into	3616.5448
2859		3617.6406	a corporate	3618.1862
2861		3618.7644	environment.	3619.3379
2862	VLD_int_01	3620.6703	So,	3621.2905
2864		3621.7288	we've been talking for a while, so I'm gonna	3623.3235
2866		3624.2176	fast forward kind of through Corporate America, but I wanna ask you this question kind of in the lens. So as you moved from place to place, kind of going	3631.4311
2868		3631.7004	with your job and opportunities,	3634.4889
2870		3634.9924	how do you- How have your experience in different cities compared to life in Valdosta?	3640.0925
2871	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	3642.3400	Nothing is like Valdosta.	3643.8030
2873		3647.4308	I've always said I don't wanna move back to Valdosta,	3649.7937
2875		3650.9734	now.	3651.3977
2877		3652.1438	But at some point in my life, or	3653.5287
2879		3654.0836	maybe retire, I don't know. I- I kind of do.	3656.1900
2881		3656.6610	There's something	3657.4304
2883		3660.1628	little nostalgic,	3661.1747
2885		3661.8357	a little special about Valdosta. It's not	3664.0738
2887		3665.8877	the smallest city ever. It's not the biggest city ever, but that's what makes it	3669.2159
2889		3669.9433	special. And	3670.7686
2891		3672.7119	have a lot of adoration for Valdosta.	3674.2460
2893		3677.5884	I've had very different experiences in all the places I've lived.	3680.0874
2895		3680.3952	Talked about college. And- and that was really my experience in Virginia. That- my college experience.	3684.7970
2897		3686.3392	Minneapolis being	3687.4490
2899		3688.1484	vastly different from that.	3689.6546
2901		3689.8504	Being	3690.2281
2903		3690.4099	different	3690.9182
2905		3691.4906	population of people just- I mean my best friend from Minneapolis is Lebanese.	3695.6732
2907		3696.7585	And just a very	3697.6258
2909		3697.9149	prevalent Muslim population. So learning about	3701.0997
2911		3703.0056	uh, Muslim culture.	3704.3346
2913		3705.0527	And experiencing things that I'd never	3707.5333
2915		3708.0136	experienced before.	3709.5524
2917		3711.4537	Took my	3712.4795
2919		3713.2069	passion for and interest in diversity inclusion to a different level.	3717.1552
2921		3717.8328	As I would say at that point, my interest in diversity inclusion was a- was	3721.9630
2923		3723.2173	for lack of a better term,	3724.1965
2925		3724.3690	very black and white.	3725.2923
2926	VLD_int_01	3726.6713	Literally?	3727.1516
2927	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	3727.3475	[Literally] and figuratively, it was very black and white.	3730.1778
2928	VLD_int_01	3727.3521	[Figuratively?]	3728.0329
2929	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	3732.7646	Then I went to Minneapolis and	3734.0516
2931		3735.5950	it's- it's	3736.5042
2933		3736.7700	actually a lot less black and white. It's	3738.8718
2935		3740.2521	Hmong and Muslim population and	3742.8213
2937		3743.5243	v- very different	3744.7226
2939		3745.4782	ethnic backgrounds	3746.8718
2941		3747.9140	melting together.	3749.4341
2943		3750.1009	In a space where I- for the first time, saw a lot more	3753.0385
2945		3753.4769	multiracial relationships.	3754.9690
2947		3755.7104	That was different.	3756.3445
2949		3757.1454	That- it's not unheard of, but it was just so much more prevalent	3760.5167
2951		3761.2767	in	3761.7617
2953		3762.5579	Minneapolis.	3763.3696
2955		3764.8613	That experience,	3766.4887
2957		3767.4213	made me want to know more about	3770.1479
2959		3772.3348	beyond	3773.2534
2961		3774.8889	America, Black, white	3776.3857
2963		3776.8101	and America as a melting pot. And America as	3779.7057
2965		3780.6698	a place of opportunity, for a wide variety and,	3784.2183
2967		3785.0622	uh,	3785.5052
2969		3788.6002	<ts>	3788.7168
2971		3789.0619	different	3790.3954
2973		3791.2954	perspective	3792.4984
2975		3792.9356	all together.	3793.7516
2977		3795.3043	So Minneapolis gave me that perspective. Then	3798.0181
2979		3798.8003	appreciating it for what it was, and a great learning opportunity experience, it was not for me from a climate perspective.	3805.1326
2981		3805.5744	So that is when we decided it was time to move to Charlotte.	3807.9665
2983		3808.8804	A- and having the career opportunity to do so.	3810.9880
2985		3811.9148	Charlotte,	3812.6375
2987		3814.7312	was the first place where I-	3815.8689
2989		3816.1114	I- I bought my first home.	3817.3599
2991		3819.5421	And I don't know that I ever thought I was going to	3821.5985
2993		3821.9622	be in Charlotte	3823.1512
2995		3824.4790	forever,	3825.2297
2997		3825.8685	but buying my first home was	3828.9414
2999		3831.4442	a milestone. I mean I was in my mid twenties and buying a house. And	3834.8948
3001		3836.4464	starting my very own life, with my then fiance at the time.	3839.9062
3003		3840.8237	And	3841.4298
3005		3842.3578	that didn't work out, but	3843.9431
3007		3845.2301	it	3845.5052
3009		3846.3212	gave me this sense of independence. And	3848.3111
3011		3848.7401	being able to live on my own, navigate on my own	3850.6752
3013		3852.1300	just	3852.5544
3015		3852.8050	do it myself. I wasn't in college, and- and when I moved to Minneapolis, I moved to Minneapolis with-	3856.9643
3017		3857.6824	with my company.	3858.5311
3019		3859.0615	And it was a very structured program,	3861.1038
3021		3861.3789	so even though I was out of school, I wasn't living on a campus or anything. I was living in an apartment.	3865.0300
3023		3865.6164	It's- there was still this structure about it, that I had relocation money that was given to me. And	3870.2513
3025		3870.6978	there were expectations. And	3872.1946
3027		3872.7075	i- it was measured and metered.	3874.3535
3029		3875.1182	I moved to Charlotte	3876.1953
3031		3876.6884	on my own.	3877.5604
3033		3877.7329	And	3878.0547
3035		3878.2925	made that decision and had to hire people to move my stuff. And	3881.3513
3037		3881.9155	it- it felt very grown up. <laugh> It felt like-	3884.4510
3039		3885.4862	Charlotte is where I felt like my ad-	3887.3513
3041		3887.8176	true adult life started.	3889.4718
3043		3890.2085	And I went through some	3891.4442
3045		3893.1555	hard times in Charlotte	3894.8108
3047		3898.9224	that	3899.4166
3049		3902.9080	forced- not forced,	3904.3488
3051		3905.5752	inspired me to	3907.1978
3053		3909.1598	look at what was important.	3910.2369
3055		3911.2254	And Charlotte's a great city. I've-	3913.1081
3057		3913.2993	I had	3913.7189
3059		3915.3370	like I said, that's where I felt like, this is where my adult life started.	3918.5870
3061		3919.5791	I didn't feel like, that's where my adult life needed to be.	3922.4467
3063		3923.3933	Um,	3923.8643
3065		3924.0694	finished my MBA.	3924.9834
3067		3925.5371	And	3926.1013
3069		3926.5629	when I finished my MBA, it felt like a good time to-	3928.8990
3071		3930.2548	to	3930.9869
3073		3932.1899	start fresh.	3933.0012
3075		3933.4395	Start new.	3934.2416
3077		3935.1089	Leave	3935.7943
3079		3936.5206	some heart ache. And- and some	3938.1806
3081		3938.6282	pain behind.	3939.5048
3083		3940.5307	And that's when I decided I wanted to move to Atlanta.	3942.5217
3085		3943.2806	Be closer to family. Back to my roots. Like,	3945.7053
3087		3945.9431	that I	3946.4607
3089		3946.6752	don't get the opportunity to see	3948.4891
3091		3949.6770	my brothers as much as I wanted to. I didn't see my mom as much as I wanted to.	3953.1835
3093		3954.2781	Charlotte never felt like home,	3956.1106
3095		3956.9313	and although Atlanta's not Valdosta and it never will be,	3959.2254
3097		3960.1709	there's something about being in Georgia that feels like home.	3962.7075
3099		3963.3836	And	3963.6820
3101		3964.7545	being able to s- buy my house in	3966.6989
3103		3967.0475	Atlanta. And go to Atlanta and start fresh.	3970.4281
3105		3972.1813	Charlotte gave me that opportunity to feel like a grown-up.	3974.9499
3107		3975.7893	Atlanta is where I am by choice because	3978.2932
3109		3979.1034	it's where it felt right in my life at this point. And I don't know what Atlanta's going to teach me,	3983.8922
3111		3984.7304	kind of hopeful Atlanta will get me a husband maybe,	3986.8707
3113		3987.3556	possibly	3987.9525
3114	VLD_int_01	3988.3628	[That's what I'm] thinking.	3990.0927
3115	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	3988.3675	[we'll see.]	3988.8244
3116		3990.2886	And if that's what I'm in Atlanta for, then I'm happy about that.	3993.0385
3117	VLD_int_01	3993.0712	Me too.	3994.0131
3118	VLD_se0_ag3_f_02	3994.2789	Very.	3994.6566
3120		3995.8363	But maybe l- maybe Atlanta's not the last stop either.	3998.2552
3122		3999.2903	In my heart though,	4000.3908
3124		4000.8617	I kind of hope Valdosta's my last stop.	4002.6209