Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	VLD_int_01	0.5143	So tell me your name?	1.4050
2	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1.8887	/RD-NAME-5/	2.7794
3	VLD_int_01	7.9960	And your birthday?	8.6675
4	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	9.2969	February eighteenth.	10.5513
6		10.8590	nineteen eighty-two.	11.8149
7	VLD_int_01	14.2291	Stomach's growling. Where were you born?	15.9031
8	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	16.2762	Valdosta.	16.9569
10		17.3626	South Georgia Medical Center.	18.6671
11	VLD_int_01	20.6162	Have you lived anywhere else?	21.7353
12	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	22.0710	No.	22.3274
13	VLD_int_01	24.3407	Um, what neighborhood have you lived in?	26.0286
14	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	26.8260	I lived, uh, on the East Side of Valdosta.	29.6657
16		30.9795	On, /RD-ADDRESS-3/.	32.3271
17	VLD_int_01	34.3321	Have you lived in any other neighborhoods?	35.7496
18	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	35.9315	No.	36.2346
19	VLD_int_01	38.3737	Where'd you go to school?	39.0918
20	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	40.6305	/RD-SCHOOL-5/	41.8242
21	VLD_int_01	42.9329	What about college?	43.7349
22	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	44.5462	/RD-SCHOOL-9/.	46.2388
23	VLD_int_01	47.5911	And what's your current occupation?	48.8594
24	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	49.2313	Hm.	49.4085
26		49.9214	Educator.	50.6348
27	VLD_int_01	54.7148	Where was your dad born?	55.6241
28	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	56.4390	He was born in Lakeland, Georgia.	58.0803
29	VLD_int_01	58.8917	And where is that?	59.4139
30	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	60.4304	About twenty miles	61.8000
32		63.0498	east of Valdosta.	64.1456
33	VLD_int_01	67.2313	And what about your mom?	68.0426
34	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	68.4157	She was born in Valdosta as well.	70.9290
35	VLD_int_01	72.6169	I don't think I knew that.	73.2884
36	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	74.0986	Yeah.	74.4390
37	VLD_int_01	75.0312	What does your- what does your dad do, or what did your dad do?	77.1108
38	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	78.0434	My dad is, uh, retired from Valdosta State University. He's a full-time pastor.	83.3906
39	VLD_int_01	85.0401	What did he do at VSU?	85.8748
40	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	86.7030	He, uh, started out working as a-	89.2647
42		89.4139	a bus driver and a custodian,	91.4376
44		91.9447	but he ended his career as	93.9451
46		94.1876	one of the,	94.7917
48		94.9558	uh, copy technicians	96.6630
50		96.7919	in the print shop.	97.5169
51	VLD_int_01	100.2610	<ts> /I know-/ I didn't know that.	101.6377
53		104.1130	What about your mom?	104.7498
54	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	105.9451	My mother, uh, retired after	108.8687
56		109.7069	over thirty-five years in, um,	111.7485
58		112.0383	the school system. For Valdosta City schools.	114.7475
59	VLD_int_01	118.0637	What did she teach?	118.8217
60	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	119.5491	She, uh, s-	120.7988
62		121.0774	has taught,	121.7418
64		121.9098	uh,	122.2770
66		122.4801	fifth grade and second grade.	124.0663
67	VLD_int_01	129.0296	When she retired, she was fifth grade right?	130.5653
68	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	130.8077	Nah, she was second grade when she retired and she started fifth grade and	133.9307
70		134.1499	did the last four or five years in second grade.	136.3554
71	VLD_int_01	137.9315	When I went to her classroom, she was fifth grade.	139.6696
72	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	139.6976	Uh, yeah.	140.1312
73	VLD_int_01	140.6395	Okay.	141.0824
75		142.1316	Cause I was like I don't remember [second grade.]	143.8522
76	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	143.1668	[Yeah, cause you were- yeah], you were gone.	144.8780
77	VLD_int_01	145.2826	Okay.	145.7069
79		148.9569	And today is the twenty-third.	150.9929
81		153.6606	/Alright/.	154.1736
83		160.0973	Okay.	160.5140
85		162.7184	So tell me a little bit about	164.2245
87		165.2456	what you- your- like your childhood home.	167.3346
88	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	168.7568	Well my childhood home was, uh, one that was,	171.6327
90		171.7679	um, very structured. Uh, it was very loving. It was	175.1905
92		175.9074	an anomaly,	176.7651
94		176.8862	uh, uh, at the time because	179.3626
96		180.2252	I had two parents in the home.	181.9167
98		182.1219	Um,	182.7281
100		183.6560	of course, um,	184.5186
102		184.7658	my- my mom, (whispered)	185.6470
104		185.9501	<clears throat> my mom was in education. And, um,	189.0451
106		189.9124	my dad worked at	191.1015
108		191.3440	VSU so they both had	193.2091
110		193.6556	stable jobs that, may not have been	196.2015
112		196.6165	well paying, but	197.6750
114		198.5470	at the end of the day, they were sufficient to, uh,	201.2969
116		201.4508	you know, take care of my brother and myself.	203.3694
117	VLD_int_01	204.1320	Are you the oldest?	204.9014
118	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	204.9433	I am.	205.4796
119	VLD_int_01	206.5742	And you have- and how old- how- What's the age gap?	208.8963
120	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	209.0688	It's three year difference.	210.3465
121	VLD_int_01	211.1380	And tell me about your neighborhood.	212.4483
122	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	213.2876	Uh, my neighborhood, um,	215.5118
124		217.3059	changed over time, uh, when	219.4648
126		219.7073	I was very small,	221.2087
128		221.7310	uh, the demographics of the neighborhood was	224.0846
130		224.3970	mixed. Uh, we had some, um,	226.7098
132		226.9569	African American families on the street.	228.9666
134		229.4318	We also had some caucasian families on the street. Uh, it was very-	233.2693
136		234.6309	you know, nice neighborhood,	236.1545
138		236.5416	but over time as,	238.4580
140		239.1854	uh, different things began to change,	241.4469
142		242.0333	um,	242.4343
144		243.0172	some people,	243.8985
146		244.0896	moved out of the neighborhood. Um, some of the older people in the neighborhood passed away.	248.6488
148		249.4182	And	249.9264
150		250.9196	it became, uh,	252.2579
152		252.5318	an area for,	253.7815
154		254.7374	um, drugs and sometimes	256.5746
156		256.7331	violence. Uh, so much so,	258.7615
158		259.2919	that the	260.4296
160		261.3576	local bowling ally that was across the street from my house became the hangout spot	265.6520
162		266.1872	for folks that wanted to	267.6140
164		267.8938	do and	268.7424
166		268.9849	deal drugs. So much so	270.7428
168		271.2091	that	271.4329
170		271.8421	the bowling ally went out of business.	273.5674
171	VLD_int_01	275.0502	Really?	275.4372
173		275.7263	I didn't know that's why they closed.	277.1720
175		278.9099	I was always wondering.	279.9777
176	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	280.1922	Yep.	280.5279
177	VLD_int_01	281.8336	So what-	282.2066
179		282.4677	like what caused the change- like I-	283.9833
181		284.1669	I knew that area kind of like	285.8077
183		286.1437	went down, but.	287.0269
184	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	290.0380	I think that most of it was because of the fact that-	294.3232
186		295.2872	I think that the- the	296.9937
188		299.0129	type of people who	300.3045
190		300.7836	lived in the housing projects changed.	302.8866
192		303.3669	Um, because, uh, the people that lived in the housing projects when I-	307.3956
194		307.8421	when we were growing up at first,	310.0057
196		310.5837	were people who were using,	312.0620
198		312.7230	uh, that Valdosta Housing Authority to be a stepping stone to something else.	317.0463
200		317.6424	Then we started to get people who did not mind,	320.9379
202		321.9404	uh, living in low income housing and	324.4491
204		324.9107	just settled into	326.2851
206		327.1244	that lifestyle	328.1129
208		328.4627	that is, uh,	329.7263
210		329.9734	very much,	330.8407
212		331.0366	uh, can be stagnant if you	333.0824
214		333.4135	choose not to	334.5792
216		335.0082	do something different.	336.0526
218		336.4397	And so,	337.2091
220		337.6369	as- as the nature of people. And things they wanted out of life changed,	342.8128
222		343.3245	so did the neighborhood.	344.5322
223	VLD_int_01	346.1549	Mm.	346.4487
225		347.0782	When did that happen? Like about?	348.6729
227		349.1671	Mm-	349.3443
228	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	349.4644	I will say,	350.8586
230		351.2643	that somewhere between	353.2181
232		354.6263	nineteen ninety-three and nineteen ninety-five. Um,	357.7038
234		358.3554	at the times that was, uh, pretty much,	360.7901
236		361.0792	um,	361.6241
238		362.3939	instrumental for me because that was the time that I was	365.3456
240		366.2315	going from	367.2480
242		368.1421	elementary to	369.2706
244		369.7182	middle school.	370.6927
246		371.3269	And, um, a lot of things changed in Valdosta in the early nineties because	376.1239
248		376.7021	the, uh, population boomed so much so that,	379.9568
250		380.9442	uh, Valdosta	382.2311
252		382.4130	State College, became Valdosta State University.	385.0708
254		385.7936	And Valdosta began to grow. And they adopted the middle school concept,	390.8909
256		391.3319	which	391.8449
258		392.6504	changed a lot of	393.5410
260		393.8301	things	394.3990
262		394.7907	as well.	395.5227
264		396.1289	Because once they changed the	398.8058
266		399.0870	concept of how,	400.3430
268		401.0238	uh, schooling was done, and how	402.9309
270		403.5604	students were,	404.5152
272		405.4338	um,	406.0120
274		406.4270	separated.	407.1450
276		409.6630	You started to see	411.0701
278		411.5970	people become more comfortable	413.1217
280		413.7512	in their lifestyles.	415.0662
282		415.5453	Because they no longer had to	417.3079
284		417.7322	mix, to go to Valdosta Junior High School.	420.6978
286		421.5231	We-	421.9894
288		422.2680	bi- basically had,	424.1425
290		425.0565	what I would consider to be	427.3832
292		429.0514	a legal,	429.7695
294		430.9958	um,	431.5740
296		432.3854	segregation,	433.2488
298		433.4480	because	434.1619
300		434.8152	when they, built	435.9682
302		437.5394	uh, JL Newbern Middle School,	439.6859
304		440.5503	they built it	441.3217
306		441.5066	to serve the students-	443.7460
308		444.2210	the children who lived on the East Side	447.1309
310		447.6524	and the South Side of town.	449.5596
312		450.2683	Which,	450.8540
314		451.1326	was where	451.7648
316		452.7318	ninety-eight percent of the African Americans lived.	455.2390
318		455.6712	And that was where the low- where the socioeconomic status	459.3919
320		459.7598	was lower.	460.4455
322		461.1197	And so,	461.8947
324		462.2412	people	462.9198
326		463.3269	just	463.7662
328		464.0019	settled in.	464.8377
330		465.8011	And	466.4190
332		467.0512	took over the neighborhood.	468.0548
333	VLD_int_01	469.3763	So how'd you end up going to Valdosta?	470.6933
334	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	471.7541	Well,	471.9541
336		472.1041	I was able to go to /RD-SCHOOL-6/ simply because,	475.3962
338		475.9606	uh, my mother worked	477.3749
340		477.5356	in the school system. And at that time,	479.8214
342		481.3385	if you had,	482.1421
344		482.3564	um, a parent	483.4243
346		484.0422	that worked in the school system,	485.6164
348		486.0450	uh, you were able to,	487.4915
350		487.6415	uh,	487.8986
352		488.4577	<ts>	488.5476
354		488.7344	go to	489.2585
356		489.5014	the school	490.6050
358		491.1122	of your choice. And of course	493.1265
360		493.6400	we lived on	494.9936
362		495.2186	the East Side of town and	496.9258
364		497.5544	I should have gone to	498.9679
366		500.0179	a different elementary school,	501.5109
368		502.1859	but	502.5573
370		502.8565	I went to the elementary school where my mother worked.	505.5709
372		506.6138	And I left there and went to,	508.5879
374		509.6166	um,	510.2881
376		510.8952	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ which at the time was fifth and sixth grade.	513.7659
378		514.2517	Which was,	514.9660
380		516.3687	the	516.7509
382		517.2688	School that was fed by /RD-SCHOOL-4/ where I went to school.	520.6046
384		521.1574	And I went from there to /RD-SCHOOL-5/. So I just	524.0825
386		524.6897	took the streamline	525.9424
388		526.4389	of schools from the places where	528.4889
390		528.8247	my mom worked,	529.7033
392		529.8274	rather than where I lived.	531.1989
393	VLD_int_01	532.7311	Hm.	533.1168
395		533.3669	Did you like school?	534.1133
396	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	535.7339	School was, um, it was fun. And I,	538.3769
398		538.5734	um,	538.9341
400		539.0734	I- I liked school because it gave me an opportunity to.	542.8941
402		543.8754	um, like I said, escape some of the things that were going on, in	547.4970
404		547.9684	my neighborhood.	548.8855
406		549.1212	Um,	549.5962
408		549.7676	it were- it was things that were	551.6963
410		552.1142	occurring in my neighborhood that	554.2705
412		554.8313	I could see,	556.0349
414		556.9207	but because of, uh,	558.5091
416		558.9127	my parents,	559.6806
418		560.3235	I didn't get a chance to	562.1129
420		562.9299	become involved in it	564.1228
422		564.3335	because they were- they were very much,	566.9479
424		567.4078	uh, strict about,	568.7364
426		569.3971	uh,	569.7007
428		570.1900	what we did and,	571.4472
430		571.5642	uh,	571.8714
432		572.0142	where we went.	572.7321
434		573.3714	And I- I really think that it was,	575.5823
436		575.6992	uh, their oversight that really helped	578.6065
438		579.1351	to	579.4815
440		580.1959	you know, shape	580.9413
442		581.1772	and mold me into the person that I became.	583.7253
443	VLD_int_01	586.0444	Who was your favorite- So let's go back to elementary school. So you went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	589.8088
445		590.6294	Do you- do you have a f- did you have a favorite subject, or a favorite teacher, or a favorite memory?	594.6027
446	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	597.6467	Um, I-	598.9039
448		599.0566	I, um,	599.9423
450		600.6702	<ts>	600.7522
452		601.3148	pretty much liked everything at school.	603.3675
454		603.5773	Um,	604.0559
456		605.0417	as far as, uh,	606.5525
458		606.7346	memories, um, there was,	609.0767
460		610.2553	uh, at that time,	611.5911
462		613.2260	you know it. We- we had a lot of fun at school.	615.7511
464		615.9940	Because, you know, we	617.6539
466		618.7932	actually	619.4754
468		619.8076	enjoy learning. Um, I r-	621.8782
470		622.3997	remember doing some things that,	624.7748
472		625.5248	um,	626.2820
474		626.8526	probably twenty-five, thirty years ago,	629.2535
476		630.3241	that,	630.9135
478		631.3126	um,	631.7876
480		632.7627	would mirror some of the things that we do today. Um,	635.4128
482		636.0476	we,	636.5155
484		637.2763	would have, you know,	638.3799
486		638.6192	themed parties, uh, when	640.7505
488		641.2863	it was Dr. Seuss's birthday. We did all of those things.	644.5364
490		645.0141	When we	645.7070
492		646.3285	read Green Eggs and Ham in kindergarten, we had green eggs and ham.	650.2671
494		651.0064	When,	651.6278
496		652.0100	it	652.2529
498		652.4136	was	653.0386
500		653.5494	St. Patricks Day,	654.8057
502		655.4878	we had the leprechaun to turn everything over in the room and I- it's just all types of things. And when we had birthdays,	661.5587
504		662.3373	in our classrooms we	663.7757
506		664.2615	had parties at school. We had a party for	666.7902
508		667.7116	all of the holidays.	669.1572
510		669.7787	And that's something now that we don't do because we have so many people that will say	674.3102
512		674.7780	you know,	675.3066
514		675.4959	it's celebrating Christmas offends me, or	677.6237
516		677.8773	celebrating Halloween offends me, or	680.4310
518		680.7203	I'm offended by this, or I don't think we should do that.	683.7231
520		684.2553	School was a whole lot simpler. And it was a lot of fun.	687.4260
521	VLD_int_01	688.9760	Mm.	689.1903
523		690.4217	What about- So /??/ when- that was kin- that was- So what about /RD-SCHOOL-3/?	694.4147
524	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	696.7746	/RD-SCHOOL-3/, uh, was, um,	699.6176
526		700.0525	it was more of the same. Um, I had some	702.6169
528		703.3848	very good teachers.	704.7563
530		705.0554	Um,	705.6626
532		707.1983	had a-	707.9162
534		708.1984	uh, a lot of	709.4092
536		709.7440	people who	710.6690
538		711.8691	really, uh, were	713.2120
540		714.0790	all about the students. They	715.7184
542		716.0220	pushed everyone to do	717.3077
544		717.9212	you know, their very best. And that's not to say that any of the other schools did not do that,	722.6178
546		723.3777	but	723.7241
548		723.9634	uh, I can only speak about the schools that I attended.	727.4207
550		728.0663	And,	728.3913
552		728.7235	um, you know. I- I- I pretty had, uh, a- a very	731.7236
554		732.4763	um, good	733.2442
556		734.8514	time in elementary school. You know, up to sixth grade.	738.3364
558		739.0436	At,	739.2472
560		739.4543	uh, /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	740.5615
562		740.7223	Um, we	741.5151
564		741.7607	took field trips a lot of times that would,	744.1894
566		745.0287	allow us to not only	746.6958
568		747.7347	learn about what we were learning in the classroom, but if there was somewhere in the community, or somewhere	753.2372
570		753.6809	close by that we could go on a field trip and actually do some hands on things,	757.5838
572		758.1659	uh, we did those things a lot.	759.7339
574		759.9044	And so,	760.6295
576		761.1402	it's	761.4616
578		761.6736	it's someth- some things that	763.0796
580		763.2331	you know, are- are memories that	764.6109
582		765.2824	you know, as long as I live I'll	766.7396
584		767.0824	probably never forget.	768.2611
585	VLD_int_01	768.9531	Give me one.	769.4352
586	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	770.0120	<ts>	770.0863
588		770.6996	Um,	771.4139
590		771.6032	I- I remember, um, in sixth grade,	774.4203
592		775.1668	uh,	775.5882
594		775.7418	learning about	776.6990
596		777.7981	the	778.1374
598		778.3160	Medieval periods of, uh, time with the	781.2554
600		782.0626	knights and jousting and,	784.3083
602		784.6690	um,	785.2690
604		786.1583	different things like that. And I remember that one of our trips,	790.3612
606		790.8077	was to	791.7393
608		792.3679	Orlando to Medieval Times.	794.9751
610		795.4394	So that we could-	796.5099
612		796.5922	m-	796.7529
614		796.8672	uh, see,	797.8422
616		799.2887	uh, a dinner show.	800.5816
618		800.7736	Oh man, I remember going. And	803.5130
620		804.1988	that was the- one of the first times that I've ever had,	806.9445
622		807.9052	um,	808.3017
624		808.5267	Cornish hen and I just thought	810.4759
626		810.9938	that was the best thing in the world. Because I- you know, I came home and told my mom I had,	815.3824
628		815.8645	uh,	816.2681
630		816.5896	a chicken that was-	818.3861
632		818.6209	that would fit in my hand and I- I didn't know, y- really the difference between a Cornish hen and a chicken. And,	824.2238
634		824.9132	uh, I still don't cause they	826.3918
636		826.7954	taste the same.	827.6811
637	VLD_int_01	828.3767	<laugh>	829.0053
639		829.5018	Have you had Cornish hen since then?	830.9483
640	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	832.0305	No I- I haven't.	833.3511
642		833.4475	Haven't had Cornish hen since then, but	835.6583
644		836.4048	I- I mean you know, if I	837.9968
646		838.3468	was offered some Cornish hen, I probably would take it.	841.6613
647	VLD_int_01	842.1818	<laugh>	843.6712
649		844.4748	So what- So you were in-	845.7320
651		846.3463	So your grade, cause I was a grade under you. So my sch- I was the one who actually started	851.2028
653		851.6412	middle school at sixth grade. So you started- You went to middle school at seventh grade.	855.6307
654	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	856.0298	Yes.	856.4370
655	VLD_int_01	857.4192	So,	857.8406
657		858.9764	how was it going to the new school as a seventh grader?	862.2364
658	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	865.1035	Well	865.6118
660		866.8000	it-	866.9571
662		867.1679	it wasn't new,	868.1358
664		868.6393	uh, because, you know	870.0420
666		870.5100	w-	870.7207
668		870.8636	w- They just changed the name from /RD-SCHOOL-6/ to	874.1637
670		874.8057	/RD-SCHOOL-5/.	875.7165
672		876.1915	And it wasn't any different for me,	878.3952
674		878.8800	because	879.6051
676		879.9408	I-	880.2801
678		880.5551	I was going-	881.5016
680		881.7802	I was going there anyway if they had not changed, um,	885.0973
682		886.1045	to the middle school concept because	888.1438
684		888.3287	they changed to middle school,	890.3359
686		890.7824	as I was going to seventh grade, so what actually happened,	893.4780
688		894.0423	is that	894.7281
690		896.4282	the	896.7103
692		897.3166	fifth and sixth grade classes at	899.4881
694		900.4221	/RD-SCHOOL-3/	901.2542
696		901.6990	all left.	902.5445
698		902.8053	And they got	903.3374
700		903.6196	two totally new groups.	905.0839
702		905.4768	That next year.	906.3519
704		906.9939	So, uh, it wasn't that much of a change for me. It was	909.9083
706		910.5583	somewhat of a change, because you went from having two academic teachers to having four.	915.0862
708		915.7505	And having some freedom to	917.6819
710		918.9533	walk down the hallway by yourself. And	921.6740
712		922.4776	pass notes.	923.7848
714		924.0027	And get notes. And	925.7269
716		927.1662	do all types of things that other people did that I didn't do.	930.8727
717	VLD_int_01	933.9621	Uh, okay.	934.6648
719		936.0863	That's how that goes.	937.0685
720	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	937.7721	/And/ that's exactly how that goes.	939.6642
721	VLD_int_01	940.7106	Right.	941.1214
723		941.3250	<clears throat>	941.9035
725		942.1964	<ts>	942.2821
727		942.5750	So what was your fondest memory in middle school?	944.6492
728	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	950.2164	My fondest memory in middle school,	952.1094
730		953.4193	let me- let me think.	954.8833
732		962.0929	Middle school,	962.8429
734		963.1465	um, I- I think that	964.7287
736		966.4029	middle school was	967.9780
738		968.3923	the- the best thing about middle school was,	970.9960
740		971.2201	um, probably	972.3988
742		973.3488	getting to meet,	974.2095
744		975.2373	um, a lot of people	976.7195
746		977.8124	that	978.0231
748		978.2660	I wouldn't	978.7874
750		978.8910	that- that I hadn't met before.	980.4629
752		980.5751	Because going to-	982.2296
754		983.1582	<clears throat> excuse me.	984.4038
756		984.5002	Going to	985.5043
758		989.2174	um,	989.7817
760		989.9924	middle school,	990.8425
762		991.8247	from elementary,	992.8176
764		993.9382	brought a lot of people	995.4740
766		995.7275	from the other elementary schools	997.6348
768		998.1205	to,	998.5527
770		1000.0161	um, /RD-SCHOOL-6/	1001.5698
772		1001.7626	at the same time. So it was	1003.5940
774		1005.8870	a change, because I was accustomed to	1009.0969
776		1009.9077	the	1010.3577
778		1011.7890	other children that I had gone to school with from kindergarten.	1015.2285
780		1015.8142	But when we started seventh grade,	1017.3991
782		1017.6598	not only did I have	1018.9170
784		1019.5063	those,	1020.4778
786		1021.0948	I had	1021.6484
788		1021.8770	many more. And so,	1023.3056
790		1023.7021	uh, most of the time, um,	1025.3343
792		1026.6585	most of my fondest memories probably happened	1028.9050
794		1029.5479	in the gym	1030.2551
796		1030.4471	where, uh, a lot of,	1032.3364
798		1033.4115	um,	1033.9579
800		1035.3464	basketball games.	1036.9500
802		1037.1750	or-	1037.5822
804		1037.7644	when we were outside,	1038.8251
806		1039.4636	baseball games	1040.6958
808		1041.1743	got	1041.3815
810		1041.5958	rather intense. And so we- we always looked forward to	1045.2451
812		1045.8058	going to PE.	1046.7416
814		1047.6809	And, you know. Sometimes on m- on my way to PE, I would run into people that I wouldn't see,	1052.0088
816		1052.8838	uh, during the day.	1053.9901
818		1054.7759	And that was, uh,	1055.8188
820		1056.0152	time to	1056.7081
822		1057.0510	socialize, because there were no	1059.2574
824		1059.9074	teachers walking you everywhere.	1061.4539
826		1061.5682	So ther- that was social time. And I think that's probably what	1064.5031
828		1065.0424	my fondest memory of	1066.1746
830		1066.2996	middle school was, was that.	1068.0310
832		1068.5489	We had so much time to be social.	1070.1525
833	VLD_int_01	1070.8525	Did you play sports?	1071.8204
834	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1071.9303	I did not.	1072.4339
835	VLD_int_01	1073.3553	Wel- well di- were you just like this academic person? did you- were you involved in stuff?	1078.0868
836	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1078.8654	I	1079.4547
838		1080.2333	sang, uh,	1081.4575
840		1081.6504	in-	1081.9004
842		1082.1468	in the [chorus.]	1083.1183
843	VLD_int_01	1082.5397	[chorus.]	1083.0504
844	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1083.8541	And,	1084.5362
846		1084.7219	uh, that was pretty much it. Because I- I really wasn't, um,	1088.4355
848		1091.0812	I wasn't really into sports. Uh, I did, um,	1094.2385
850		1095.2948	liked to play basketball, but	1097.0199
852		1097.2913	I didn't have	1098.1949
854		1098.8771	the time,	1099.5771
856		1099.7977	or the interest in commuting to	1102.2118
858		1102.6014	playing basketball on the team. I just liked to play,	1105.5685
860		1106.3114	um,	1106.7150
862		1107.3793	m- pick-up games. And so I was never one of those people that	1110.4000
864		1110.9607	just needed to be on the team. But I- I enjoyed	1113.7378
866		1113.9314	playing basketball. And softball too.	1116.3279
867	VLD_int_01	1117.9771	When did we meet?	1118.6771
868	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1120.1915	I think	1121.0165
870		1121.3558	we met	1121.9951
872		1124.8373	well we met at /RD-SCHOOL-6/. And I	1127.1659
874		1127.3901	w-	1127.5401
876		1128.3258	would venture to say,	1129.7080
878		1129.9580	that	1130.5795
880		1132.6608	I think it was	1133.6680
882		1133.8538	the year that I was in eighth grade, and you were in seventh.	1136.9244
884		1137.1530	And,	1137.7780
886		1138.5495	uh, I think that's h- that's how we, uh, ran into each other, uh, through	1142.2774
888		1142.9560	a mutual friend.	1144.0060
889	VLD_int_01	1145.5659	Hm.	1145.8195
890	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1146.9624	/inaudible/.	1148.4232
891	VLD_int_01	1151.5046	Hm.	1151.7582
893		1152.0189	I don't- mkay.	1152.8689
895		1153.6833	You don't wanna say more than that?	1154.6833
896	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1157.6790	I don't think so.	1158.9791
897	VLD_int_01	1159.0755	Okay.	1159.4318
899		1160.5854	Alright.	1160.9604
901		1161.2747	So let's go to high school.	1162.5605
903		1164.6561	Tell me about high school a little bit.	1165.9990
904	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1167.9625	High school,	1169.1340
906		1169.4019	was	1170.5162
908		1173.8833	a- probably about	1174.8941
910		1175.6406	a hundred times more social.	1177.3906
912		1178.2255	Because, again,	1179.5113
914		1180.3256	uh,	1180.9006
916		1181.1364	I	1181.6292
918		1182.0962	had spent	1182.6927
920		1183.0391	two years	1184.0678
922		1184.7142	at /RD-SCHOOL-6/.	1186.2714
924		1187.4527	And got to know a whole lot of new people,	1189.4314
926		1189.9136	but when we went to high school,	1191.5422
928		1192.7664	I met everybody else that- that I would ever	1195.1558
930		1195.3451	come to know because	1196.8871
932		1197.6836	the students who	1199.4944
934		1200.4301	went to, uh, Southeast when I was at /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	1203.9830
936		1204.3437	And went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/ while I was at /RD-SCHOOL-6/,	1207.1894
938		1208.0501	they showed up	1208.7859
940		1209.0502	on the first day of ninth grade	1210.6744
942		1211.2744	at /RD-SCHOOL-5/. And	1213.2245
944		1213.9415	it was just great.	1214.7594
946		1214.9308	Um,	1215.4344
948		1218.4631	the classes were, uh, challenging,	1220.6659
950		1220.8695	uh, more so than they had ever been.	1223.1625
952		1225.4768	But I think that, um, as far as high school went,	1228.3645
954		1228.5324	it at least-	1229.4788
956		1229.8931	my freshman year was, uh, it was- it was fun. And I- I think	1234.7246
958		1235.3282	that,	1235.6961
960		1236.1033	uh, a lot of the memories that I	1238.5453
962		1239.3668	had from ninth grade,	1240.8669
964		1241.5312	uh, wa-	1242.1348
966		1242.3196	was because of the fact that many of us, um, just	1245.8091
968		1246.1484	sought to make the best out of a	1247.8869
970		1249.5655	somewhat bad situation because we had some	1252.4826
972		1253.8362	personnel issues that were not-	1256.2640
974		1256.5926	that did not involve the students. But	1258.5927
976		1259.7428	the disagreements,	1261.2492
978		1261.4331	uh, had a profound effect on the students. And	1264.4512
980		1265.1198	that's	1265.5163
982		1265.8377	something that, uh, I- I've learned.	1268.3450
984		1268.9521	Uh, from that day to this one, that when	1271.6049
986		1272.1407	adults have issues that they	1274.1658
988		1274.5506	should resolve their issues. And don't let	1276.2614
990		1276.4007	their issues become issues for,	1278.6142
992		1279.5071	uh, the students that they serve.	1281.1965
993	VLD_int_01	1282.8930	/They were/	1283.1609
995		1283.6207	like teachers?	1284.5279
997		1284.8315	Administrators?	1285.6887
998	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1285.7244	No, um, it was	1287.8173
1000		1289.6737	the superintendent	1291.0202
1002		1291.2292	and	1291.7523
1004		1293.0694	the high school principal.	1294.3301
1005	VLD_int_01	1297.5687	Mm-mm.	1298.4080
1006	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1298.6687	/Yup/. (whispered)	1299.2152
1007	VLD_int_01	1301.3537	This was before /RD-NAME-2/.	1302.3537
1009		1302.8288	who [was right before] /RD-NAME-2/?	1303.8431
1010	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1302.9573	[Yes.]	1303.4574
1011		1304.0645	Mr. /RD-NAME-2/. [He was- he wa- he] was there my ninth grade year.	1307.8781
1012	VLD_int_01	1304.9253	[/RD-NAME-2/. That's right.]	1305.9685
1013	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1308.5781	And	1309.1567
1015		1310.1282	it was s- something that,	1311.9560
1017		1313.4775	or, what- what- what ended up,	1316.0589
1019		1316.2231	being	1316.9125
1021		1318.1839	the quote unquote	1318.9268
1023		1319.2876	issue	1319.9662
1025		1320.4332	was something that had to do	1322.2440
1027		1322.8144	with dress code.	1323.7967
1029		1324.5896	A disagreement that became public, between he	1327.6540
1031		1328.2255	and the superintendent at the time.	1329.9533
1033		1331.1569	Um,	1331.6891
1035		1331.9891	/RD-NAME-4/, who	1333.4249
1037		1334.7633	at last,	1335.8241
1039		1336.0598	of my knowledge, was,	1338.2242
1041		1339.5234	um,	1340.1662
1043		1341.1091	<ts> he was a- he's in charge of	1343.2001
1045		1343.3905	the /RD-WORK-8/ Commission.	1345.6692
1046	VLD_int_01	1346.1406	Oh, hm.	1346.7407
1047	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1346.9228	So he, uh, oversees all of the certifications for,	1351.1936
1049		1351.7507	uh,	1352.0114
1051		1352.1070	educators, uh,	1353.0535
1053		1353.3463	at this time.	1354.2821
1055		1355.0750	But at that time he was,	1356.5572
1057		1356.8278	uh,	1357.0278
1059		1357.1421	in Valdosta and he	1359.0457
1061		1360.2208	brought some changes, uh,	1361.9128
1063		1362.8271	that were-	1363.5093
1065		1364.3201	that he thought was innovative. And they may have been.	1367.8259
1067		1368.3551	But,	1368.7551
1069		1369.0194	um,	1369.4087
1071		1369.5766	a lot of his, uh,	1370.8088
1073		1371.0258	policies	1371.7115
1075		1372.0437	were not popular with	1373.4723
1077		1374.6866	the,	1375.0259
1079		1375.2179	uh,	1375.8215
1081		1376.8394	administration and the staff at	1378.6609
1083		1378.9181	/RD-SCHOOL-5/. And	1380.7209
1085		1381.8566	the students were	1382.8710
1087		1383.3996	in between.	1384.0853
1088	VLD_int_01	1385.2809	Mm.	1385.5845
1090		1388.3346	Did you have a favorite subject in high school?	1389.8802
1091	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1390.8303	My favorite subject in high school was probably,	1393.5768
1093		1393.9224	um, history. Uh, I	1395.9010
1095		1397.0475	ran into	1398.0833
1097		1398.3860	my, um,	1399.3182
1099		1399.9753	world history teacher about	1401.4290
1101		1402.0897	a month ago. And	1403.2853
1103		1404.0068	everything that he ever taught me, I- I never forgot.	1406.7533
1105		1407.7775	And he was probably my favorite teacher in high school.	1410.9312
1106	VLD_int_01	1411.1027	Who?	1411.3455
1107	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1411.7589	Mr. /RD-NAME-1/	1412.6411
1108	VLD_int_01	1413.5626	[Hm.]	1414.1055
1109	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1414.0019	[Yeah.]	1414.3341
1110		1414.4555	He ga- he gave me candy every week.	1416.7235
1112		1416.9476	And the- but that was not why he was	1419.2013
1114		1419.8656	my favorite teacher, uh, I	1421.7683
1116		1422.0362	vividly remember, um,	1423.8506
1118		1425.6319	he had a practice that would probably get	1427.8642
1120		1428.7428	him fired,	1429.4785
1122		1430.0955	if he was working today.	1431.4777
1124		1434.2671	Because he	1435.3270
1126		1436.7985	arranged his classroom	1438.2807
1128		1440.0406	in such a way, that the students who perform well,	1443.7551
1130		1444.3900	on the assessments,	1445.7293
1132		1446.6865	were sitting in the front of the classroom.	1448.9152
1134		1450.0965	And those who didn't do so well,	1451.9144
1136		1452.3930	were sitting in the back.	1453.6966
1138		1456.4839	And I understood his method because he	1459.6987
1140		1460.1273	wanted to be sure that those,	1462.2024
1142		1462.6301	that wanted to learn	1463.9016
1144		1465.8945	were in a place where they could	1467.7223
1146		1469.2188	learn what they need to learn. And those who were just coming because	1473.1538
1148		1474.7396	they were not old enough to drop out.	1476.3754
1150		1476.6960	And they were not interested.	1477.9924
1152		1478.4496	They sat in the back.	1479.7818
1154		1480.1533	Um, but	1480.9783
1156		1481.2381	actually one of the	1482.4668
1158		1483.1025	most profound things that,	1484.7776
1160		1485.0455	uh,	1485.7133
1162		1487.0339	<ts>	1487.0875
1164		1487.2340	I got from Mr. /RD-NAME-1/ was actually	1489.4662
1166		1490.3582	one day when he scolded me.	1491.9261
1168		1493.2226	Um, because usually,	1495.3218
1170		1497.0719	my performance on assessments was	1500.3819
1172		1501.7605	better than anybody else's.	1503.5106
1174		1504.5491	<ts>	1504.6205
1176		1504.9527	And I remember one-	1506.4134
1178		1506.6849	one day,	1507.5028
1180		1509.4377	we took a test. And the next day when we came in,	1512.7486
1182		1513.4084	to find out the results	1515.1281
1184		1515.3344	of our test grades,	1516.7693
1186		1517.9685	if I'm not mistaken there were	1519.8793
1188		1521.4650	two other students	1522.7678
1190		1523.2821	who scored better than I did.	1524.9715
1192		1526.9707	And	1527.6778
1194		1528.1779	they were excited because	1530.1387
1196		1530.3244	the entire semester,	1531.4423
1198		1531.6129	the whole school year they had not	1533.0736
1200		1533.7772	scored higher than I did on a test. And the only thing he said to me,	1537.3551
1202		1538.5551	was that	1539.1837
1204		1541.2544	you should never	1542.3151
1206		1544.6831	allow anybody to	1546.3823
1208		1549.2110	move you from	1550.4673
1210		1551.0816	where you know you should be.	1552.4056
1212		1553.5389	And	1553.9318
1214		1554.1166	although,	1554.9131
1216		1555.0952	only two people did better than you,	1556.9060
1218		1558.4275	don't-	1558.7632
1220		1558.9195	don't ever let me see you	1560.5124
1222		1561.4768	settle for being second.	1563.3585
1224		1564.6582	And	1565.3939
1226		1565.7225	I never forgot it.	1566.6654
1228		1568.6396	And every time that I	1570.5718
1230		1570.9362	go to do something,	1572.1541
1232		1572.9746	those words resonate with me.	1574.5354
1234		1574.7247	Don't ever let	1575.3712
1236		1575.8605	anyone put you out of the position that	1577.9061
1238		1579.3669	you know you should be in.	1580.7348
1240		1582.0409	And never accept second.	1583.3805
1242		1588.8084	But I sure wish I had one of those Snicker bars right [about now.]	1591.9755
1243	VLD_int_01	1591.3148	[<laugh>]	1593.8864
1244		1594.3971	Wow.	1594.7757
1246		1594.9935	I did- I didn't know that.	1596.0936
1247	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1596.8285	/Yup/.	1597.2606
1248	VLD_int_01	1598.0178	Is that what inspired you to be a history teacher?	1599.6322
1249	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1601.2206	That was part of it. Um, I- you know- I-	1603.7815
1251		1604.0886	I just enjoy history. I always did.	1606.8629
1253		1607.0307	Liked social studies. And,	1608.7308
1255		1609.3558	uh, he- he inspired me along with, um,	1612.5908
1257		1613.5423	w-	1613.6944
1259		1613.8534	All of my teachers had a profound impact on me, but	1616.3442
1261		1617.3009	it was my- my history teachers that	1619.1576
1263		1619.3609	always, you know,	1620.6912
1265		1621.7158	pushed me, uh, to do	1623.5896
1267		1624.2972	well.	1624.8576
1269		1625.7458	And even teachers that I didn't have,	1628.3951
1271		1629.5499	uh, that,	1630.0538
1273		1630.4840	um,	1630.9821
1275		1631.2364	knew me,	1632.0855
1277		1633.5347	or,	1633.9932
1279		1634.1574	um,	1634.7631
1281		1635.5330	would see me around, would know that I was, you know	1638.2836
1283		1638.7761	very much interested in history. I w-	1640.9442
1285		1641.5556	used to read the textbook.	1642.9085
1287		1643.6892	And	1644.0798
1289		1644.9459	I would also read extra, uh, books to gain more knowledge.	1649.6558
1291		1650.2893	Because I-	1650.8893
1293		1651.1724	I- I don't feel like you- you can really be	1654.3877
1295		1655.9949	cognizant of what's going on in the world	1658.5763
1297		1659.3065	at the present	1660.1613
1299		1661.2930	if you don't have an understanding of	1662.9007
1301		1663.1780	why things are like they are.	1664.4631
1303		1665.0291	So I- I've always been,	1666.4783
1305		1667.1345	A person that was very much interested in history.	1669.6479
1306	VLD_int_01	1671.4141	Hm.	1671.7651
1308		1673.9383	Didn't- I didn't know that.	1675.1186
1310		1676.6102	So, in what- what year did you have Mr. /RD-NAME-1/?	1679.7517
1311	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1680.4818	That was	1681.4950
1313		1681.9592	my tenth grade year. So that was,	1684.2519
1315		1685.0439	nineteen ninety-eight.	1686.2157
1317		1687.1158	So that's almost been twenty years.	1688.9103
1318	VLD_int_01	1689.8304	Wow.	1690.1623
1320		1691.0667	Yikes.	1691.5936
1322		1693.3252	Do you feel old?	1694.0385
1323	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1694.8084	I don't.	1695.2329
1324	VLD_int_01	1697.5420	Hm.	1697.7855
1326		1699.5347	Mkay.	1700.1121
1328		1702.1613	I do feel old actually.	1703.5652
1330		1704.4251	Um,	1705.1044
1332		1706.4631	any- uh, what a- what other	1707.9349
1334		1708.6821	memories do you have of high school?	1710.2949
1335	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1715.1798	Other memories that I have of high school,	1717.5573
1337		1727.9326	uh, I- I remember, um,	1729.9875
1339		1731.9462	some of my,	1733.0444
1341		1735.1780	um, attempts at being	1737.1593
1343		1737.6801	sociable.	1738.5463
1345		1740.0232	That sometimes went well, and sometimes they didn't.	1742.9612
1347		1743.3235	But	1743.6065
1349		1744.5236	the ones that went well are- are ones that	1747.3026
1351		1747.8177	really really stick out.	1749.0405
1352	VLD_int_01	1750.8972	Example?	1751.5143
1353	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1756.8746	Well,	1757.2991
1355		1758.3742	there was this	1760.1441
1357		1760.4177	girl,	1761.0291
1359		1763.5477	that I got to know,	1765.4101
1361		1766.3215	in middle school.	1767.4594
1363		1767.9462	And I left her in middle school, but	1770.0366
1365		1770.6346	when she got to high school, we	1772.6216
1367		1773.2216	resumed our friendship.	1774.5179
1369		1774.9085	And	1775.6614
1371		1775.9043	it's	1776.5157
1373		1777.5573	a friendship that continues to this day.	1780.4047
1375		1781.4515	And I-	1782.2044
1377		1782.4421	I really feel that through all the difficulties and the different changes that	1786.9765
1379		1788.5101	we were both going through in the last twenty-five years,	1792.2745
1381		1793.0671	we've	1793.5765
1383		1793.8817	always just managed to	1796.0951
1385		1798.2349	keep in contact with each other and	1800.8384
1387		1802.6499	you know it wa- a lot of things that I- that I experienced	1805.9326
1389		1806.7365	in life. The high points.	1808.2479
1391		1808.7631	You know we were- we were there for each other and even sometimes in	1811.9213
1393		1812.5667	low points,	1813.3479
1395		1813.5800	we've been there, but	1814.6329
1397		1815.2273	I dare not share her name.	1816.8689
1398	VLD_int_01	1819.7188	Okay.	1820.0838
1400		1822.0255	So how'd you- so how'd you choose to go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/?	1824.5044
1401	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1827.7198	I chose to go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ because of the fact that,	1831.9932
1403		1832.9952	um,	1833.5782
1405		1834.4274	they	1834.8519
1407		1835.2816	have very good programs at, um, /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1838.1347
1409		1838.7235	At the time that I graduated from high school,	1841.0671
1411		1842.5610	um, /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was, uh, very much, uh, one of the	1846.9085
1413		1847.6553	rising institutions	1849.1952
1415		1849.4957	in, uh, the state of Georgia.	1851.2103
1417		1851.8896	We were about	1852.9312
1419		1853.5930	three and a half, uh, four years removed from,	1856.5593
1421		1857.3235	um,	1857.8669
1423		1860.6215	<ts>	1860.6978
1425		1860.9516	the Atlanta Olympics. And a- a lot of the, um,	1864.9595
1427		1865.2137	monies that	1866.1761
1429		1866.5157	were generated, um,	1867.8800
1431		1868.2253	for /RD-SCHOOL-9/ came from,	1870.6425
1433		1871.3835	um,	1871.8987
1435		1872.9912	the Georgia Lottery and	1874.5819
1437		1874.8706	the, uh, HOPE Scholarship.	1876.7722
1439		1877.4741	And so I- I- decided that since I was not ready to leave home,	1881.8669
1441		1882.6708	and we had a	1883.6105
1443		1883.8308	a- a local	1884.8937
1445		1885.0597	institution that was	1886.3918
1447		1886.6833	on the- on the rise,	1888.1613
1449		1888.6368	I just decided to attend /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	1891.4848
1451		1891.6104	And, uh, you know, I was so	1893.6575
1453		1894.3250	eager to start college that	1896.2610
1455		1897.2148	<ts>	1897.3269
1457		1897.7611	I graduated from high school	1900.2519
1459		1900.9760	on Friday night with everybody else.	1903.0120
1461		1903.1780	And by	1904.2423
1463		1905.4594	Thursday of the next week,	1906.8380
1465		1907.0040	I was in orientation to start college.	1909.2630
1466	VLD_int_01	1910.4914	Why were you so eager?	1911.3292
1467	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1913.5420	Well,	1913.9836
1469		1914.2836	the fact	1914.7761
1471		1916.0555	was that I- I wasn't,	1917.9179
1473		1919.0954	um,	1919.5539
1475		1919.8817	you know, going to do anything differently,	1922.8027
1477		1923.7198	because since I was not leaving home, I didn't have to	1926.9007
1479		1928.1800	you know, be worried about	1929.4820
1481		1931.1514	trying to spend my last few days, or weeks	1934.3710
1483		1934.5549	in town with- with my friends.	1936.5972
1485		1936.9986	I had my part-time job and so I just,	1939.7602
1487		1940.2310	decided that I didn't wanna waste a summer.	1942.3821
1489		1942.9420	Um,	1943.5590
1491		1944.6742	and so I just enrolled in college and	1946.6555
1493		1947.9519	started a- a week after I got done with high school.	1951.2346
1494	VLD_int_01	1952.4347	Where did you work?	1953.1593
1495	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1954.0481	I worked at /RD-WORK-3/.	1955.2595
1496	VLD_int_01	1955.7741	That's right.	1956.4704
1498		1957.2969	Sorry.	1957.6649
1500		1959.5216	[And so how'd you decide that you were-]	1960.9595
1501	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1959.5330	[/unintelligible/].	1960.9595
1502	VLD_int_01	1963.2573	How did you decide that you were gonna do education? Like, I mean	1966.3481
1504		1966.7892	I feel like it was destined, but	1967.9100
1506		1968.3572	you had to make a choice.	1969.4894
1507	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	1971.0518	Well,	1971.5216
1509		1971.7481	um,	1972.4104
1511		1972.7552	originally when I enrolled at, um,	1975.1328
1513		1975.8517	<ts>	1975.9423
1515		1976.3498	/RD-SCHOOL-3/,	1977.1466
1517		1977.2296	I enrolled in the criminal justice program.	1980.0912
1519		1981.2403	And	1981.7554
1521		1982.8084	I got,	1983.6405
1523		1983.9802	uh, over half way through the program	1986.1817
1525		1986.4421	and	1986.9742
1527		1987.4894	realized that a lot of the jobs that I would	1991.1973
1529		1991.5590	desire when I graduated,	1993.4441
1531		1994.0668	may, or may not have been open to me,	1996.9935
1533		1997.1854	but because I was,	1998.5836
1535		1999.8687	um,	2000.5649
1537		2001.1254	over half way through with the program, I continued it.	2004.0459
1539		2004.8157	And I decided that when I graduated,	2007.6292
1541		2008.0311	in December two thousand three,	2009.8364
1543		2011.2799	with my, uh,	2012.1291
1545		2012.7574	bachelor's degree,	2013.7820
1547		2014.1557	in criminal justice, that I would	2015.8477
1549		2016.0345	enroll in	2017.0026
1551		2017.6988	the,	2017.9649
1553		2018.9386	uh,	2019.3178
1555		2019.5782	alternative initial ta-	2021.0439
1557		2021.2760	initial certification program.	2023.6422
1559		2024.2894	And so I never stopped going to school. I graduated	2027.5568
1561		2028.6341	in December. And started a new program in January.	2032.1639
1562	VLD_int_01	2033.3051	When'd you graduate from that program?	2034.4662
1563	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2034.9838	I graduated from	2036.3780
1565		2037.6323	that program with my master's degree in December, two thousand and eight.	2042.1728
1566	VLD_int_01	2044.1965	Hm.	2044.4716
1568		2045.4777	Did I know that?	2045.9766
1569	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2047.1050	You should have,	2048.1029
1570	VLD_int_01	2050.0380	Did you tell me that?	2050.7188
1571	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2053.4267	You should've known. I- I think I did.	2056.2292
1572	VLD_int_01	2057.4031	Mm.	2058.1025
1574		2058.5548	Questionable.	2059.1470
1576		2060.3034	Questionable.	2060.8956
1578		2061.7471	It's questionable.	2062.7094
1580		2064.9325	You telling me is questionable.	2066.1355
1582		2066.4386	We'll go with that.	2067.0168
1584		2067.8934	We'll go with that.	2068.6022
1586		2069.3564	Okay good. And so what did you do after you graduated?	2071.6972
1587	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2074.6197	Um, after I graduated, I-	2076.0465
1589		2076.2704	I-	2076.4988
1591		2076.6014	I was already, um,	2078.4619
1593		2079.3852	<ts>	2079.4738
1595		2079.6929	four years into my career as an educator. So I just continued, um,	2084.1215
1597		2086.4017	being an educator here in Valdosta until the end of two thousand nine.	2091.3339
1599		2092.0333	And	2092.6523
1601		2092.8295	at the end of the school year in two thousand nine I	2094.8066
1603		2095.4081	went to, um,	2096.9422
1605		2097.4738	Madison County in Florida.	2099.6175
1607		2100.2610	And I was, uh, there for four and a half years.	2103.7489
1609		2105.0254	And I've also been in	2106.9185
1611		2108.2661	uh, Lowndes County and also in Thomas County in the last	2112.4149
1613		2113.0432	three and a half years.	2114.1402
1614	VLD_int_01	2114.9842	So what do you do now?	2115.8095
1615	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2117.2911	I'm currently, um,	2119.1190
1617		2119.6557	<ts>	2119.7589
1619		2120.1402	in between,	2121.0588
1621		2122.4891	uh, jobs. I've	2123.9160
1623		2124.4848	most recently worked, um,	2126.4712
1625		2127.0728	in Thomas County at the, um,	2129.3576
1627		2130.1678	/RD-WORK-2/	2130.8719
1629		2131.1983	/RD-WORK-4/, [uh, which] is	2133.4085
1630	VLD_int_01	2132.5738	[Hm.]	2132.8722
1631	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2133.9214	a part of the, uh,	2135.4835
1633		2135.9486	department of juvenile justice for the state of Georgia.	2138.4712
1634	VLD_int_01	2139.8328	So what's your dream job?	2140.9472
1635	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2143.6086	My dream job would to- would be to, uh,	2147.0405
1637		2147.2165	finally make	2148.2797
1639		2149.3521	the move to be a	2150.6018
1641		2151.4504	college professor.	2152.6541
1643		2152.8855	Um, I- I think that	2154.6434
1645		2155.4734	the,	2156.0562
1647		2157.5204	uh, potential	2158.5089
1649		2159.0860	and opportunities are limitless once you,	2162.0935
1651		2162.7277	leave the public school arena. And so I would really like to	2166.3496
1653		2166.7833	explore what it would be like to teach college classes.	2169.5903
1655		2171.9486	/unintelligible/.	2174.6531
1656	VLD_int_01	2176.4949	So,	2177.2783
1658		2178.0932	let's switch for a minute.	2179.0817
1660		2179.8791	If you had to tell me-	2180.9189
1662		2181.3525	tell me your favorite-	2182.3271
1664		2184.0978	tell me your favorite book or movie.	2185.9303
1666		2187.7116	And tell me why.	2188.5649
1667	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2189.2492	My favorite movie,	2190.7693
1669		2193.1147	oh, I have several favorites, but for the sake of,	2197.5247
1671		2197.8371	uh, time,	2198.8583
1673		2200.2851	I, um,	2201.4631
1675		2204.2801	enjoy, the-	2205.3572
1677		2207.7295	the movie, The- The Green Mile.	2209.5900
1679		2210.0562	And the reason that I enjoyed The Green Mile is because	2213.7055
1681		2215.5900	throughout the movie, um,	2217.4271
1683		2217.7256	you actually see	2218.9239
1685		2219.7621	what occurs.	2220.8812
1687		2222.9375	And	2223.7302
1689		2224.2187	the- the whole premise of the movie is that you have	2227.2869
1691		2228.0656	a man who is innocent of	2230.4063
1693		2231.0766	a double murder	2232.0932
1695		2232.4569	to be convicted and sentenced	2234.4946
1697		2235.0494	to death.	2235.7302
1699		2237.4683	And he's a person that	2239.5806
1701		2241.3059	is seemingly not very smart. He's very naive. He's very	2244.9605
1703		2245.6879	innocent.	2246.2428
1705		2247.9401	And he's a person that sees	2250.6480
1707		2251.7625	the good	2252.3826
1709		2253.0588	in everything,	2253.9960
1711		2254.3970	in everybody.	2255.2643
1713		2256.4615	He sees all things good in the world,	2259.0634
1715		2259.4598	but	2259.8981
1717		2262.3636	in the end that cost him,	2264.0935
1719		2264.7230	his life.	2265.4318
1721		2265.6510	And it seems like that-	2267.2597
1723		2267.8787	that's one of the	2268.5455
1725		2269.1237	dynamic things about life is that you can be	2272.0286
1727		2272.6990	a person that sees the good,	2274.5688
1729		2275.3148	in everything and everybody	2276.7324
1731		2277.5624	and in the end,	2278.7141
1733		2279.6968	the world turns on you.	2280.9278
1735		2282.4759	So, you know. I- I kind of	2284.1079
1737		2284.5136	like that movie, uh, quite a bit, because he	2287.7205
1739		2289.4131	is	2289.7256
1741		2290.4005	so innocent. And in the end, he just	2293.1983
1743		2294.6438	says that, you know,	2295.8561
1745		2296.3690	the world is a evil place and dark- full of evil people.	2299.8820
1747		2300.7090	And	2301.1613
1749		2302.5229	it's always	2303.2410
1751		2303.6269	the- the good	2304.6194
1753		2304.8703	who suffer the most.	2306.4199
1754	VLD_int_01	2310.1771	Do you feel like-	2310.8579
1756		2311.6832	do you feel like that character in some ways?	2313.5064
1757	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2315.9486	I- I have seen some- some parallels between	2319.2593
1759		2320.4378	what he suffers and some of the things that	2323.3335
1761		2323.8604	I have gone through, because I-	2326.1639
1763		2326.3924	I really feel that	2328.1724
1765		2328.6014	there have been some times where	2330.3219
1767		2330.7697	I may not have been treated fairly,	2333.1384
1769		2333.8973	but	2334.4102
1771		2336.3687	I was always raised to	2338.3784
1773		2339.2492	always do the right thing	2340.9045
1775		2341.6832	in spite of, uh, what you face,	2344.1875
1777		2344.3951	because	2345.0172
1779		2346.3356	that's just the right thing to do. To- to do right by people, even	2350.2478
1781		2350.9927	if you realize that you're not d- being done fairly because	2354.5738
1783		2355.1007	my parents always told me that I would never be held responsible	2359.1283
1785		2359.7532	for how somebody treated me.	2361.5997
1787		2362.6710	But	2362.9181
1789		2363.1932	it was totally up to me	2364.5594
1791		2364.9791	to determine how I treated them.	2366.6438
1792	VLD_int_01	2369.6502	What do you do for fun?	2370.4988
1793	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2373.1240	Well I am,	2374.0846
1795		2374.3970	an extreme	2375.4695
1797		2376.5501	WWE fanatic.	2378.2334
1799		2379.4271	Um, I	2380.3457
1801		2380.9601	like to watch, uh, movies. I read books, um,	2384.8956
1803		2385.2674	<ts>	2385.3322
1805		2386.9461	I make very good use of my	2389.2962
1807		2390.1728	ten dollar subscription to the WWE network because I realize that if nothing else goes right, I've always got	2397.0028
1809		2398.8027	you know my-	2399.4835
1811		2399.6362	my sports addiction	2401.4547
1813		2402.5365	that I can always fall back on.	2404.2944
1814	VLD_int_01	2406.6387	So if you- a typical-	2407.8278
1816		2408.8956	Mm. If you were to have the dream weekend, what would it be?	2411.0965
1817	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2417.0160	Um, my- my typical dream weekend would be	2420.1402
1819		2420.7883	<clears throat>	2421.4178
1821		2422.8575	You know, just	2424.0978
1823		2426.1075	I wouldn't even say being in it- in a- in an exotic place.	2430.2750
1825		2431.0584	But just being, you know, maybe in a	2432.8676
1827		2433.1054	place that	2433.8981
1829		2434.1581	You know I can wake up and see, um,	2436.8206
1831		2437.7392	the sunrise and	2439.2499
1833		2439.6603	it	2439.8188
1835		2440.0799	could be a beach, or it could just be a secluded place, or just a place that	2443.9863
1837		2444.6997	is	2445.1707
1839		2445.4131	serene.	2446.2571
1841		2447.3518	That just allows me to get away from	2450.0516
1843		2450.7837	the hustle and bustle of, um,	2453.0405
1845		2453.5010	<ts>	2453.6005
1847		2453.8740	the light that	2454.4942
1849		2454.7227	you know that	2455.2449
1851		2457.1054	the average person lives everyday just to get away from some of that. And just being able to,	2463.0541
1853		2464.1219	uh, enjoy nature and you know, of course	2467.7951
1855		2468.8862	have some good food. And	2470.9472
1857		2471.1839	be with the people who	2472.8532
1859		2473.7019	are like minded. Who just want to	2476.3644
1861		2477.0207	have a good time.	2478.0978
1863		2478.8625	And of course, ending up on Sunday at church.	2481.2173
1864	VLD_int_01	2485.9397	So, clearly church is a big part of your-	2488.3457
1866		2489.8367	of your family. And,	2491.4594
1868		2491.8930	um,	2492.4060
1870		2493.3012	and your dad's a preacher.	2495.0825
1872		2495.3751	Are you a preacher?	2495.9673
1873	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2496.3683	I am.	2496.9418
1874	VLD_int_01	2497.9070	And so,	2498.4852
1876		2499.9074	tell me a little bit about-	2501.0580
1878		2501.5896	about church,	2502.7133
1880		2503.7112	for your family, for you.	2504.8070
1881	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2505.8235	Well, church has always been a staple	2508.8812
1883		2509.0932	of, uh, my family life.	2511.3012
1885		2512.0520	It's	2512.5497
1887		2512.7642	uh, always been a constant thing. An- an- and we've always	2516.6111
1889		2517.5157	been taught that	2519.0265
1891		2519.3238	you know, god should be the center.	2521.2682
1893		2522.1402	And the head of your life. And that,	2524.1872
1895		2524.5136	um,	2525.0452
1897		2527.0444	it's, you know, good to be able to know god. And to trust him.	2531.2550
1899		2532.1818	And I shared with someone,	2533.9117
1901		2534.2194	uh, not long ago that,	2536.0566
1903		2537.4310	uh, a lot of times	2539.2589
1905		2539.5200	when we were growing up,	2540.6671
1907		2541.4644	we went to church when other people were doing other things.	2544.9511
1909		2545.4687	and sometimes it	2546.5598
1911		2546.9702	would seem like we were forced to go to church,	2549.7481
1913		2550.5035	but,	2550.7320
1915		2551.0024	um,	2551.4547
1917		2553.1660	I always found something in church that you know, was interesting to me, because I- I've always said that if	2558.9608
1919		2559.5810	I'm going to have to go to church, I may as well find something interesting.	2563.6273
1921		2564.2241	But,	2564.4106
1923		2564.8862	you know, as a child I went to church and I didn't always understand everything, but,	2569.5853
1925		2570.6484	uh, I've always had people around me who were willing to help me, to understand. And so,	2576.0189
1927		2576.5132	now I- I understand the my reliance on,	2579.5568
1929		2580.3077	uh, god, and- and trying to live and do,	2583.3106
1931		2583.8421	uh,	2584.1359
1933		2584.4809	what-	2584.7048
1935		2584.9845	what I feel god would	2586.1118
1937		2586.8346	call for me to do is what,	2588.2288
1939		2588.7464	uh, leads me life to- to this day.	2590.9892
1941		2591.6082	Um, now	2592.5082
1943		2592.8485	as far as me	2594.1402
1945		2595.8002	being in ministry, um,	2597.3891
1947		2597.6082	when I was younger I had some	2599.2123
1949		2599.9397	ideas about some things that I was going to do and how I was going to do it and	2605.1703
1951		2607.9494	I had,	2608.5882
1953		2608.8726	um,	2609.4182
1955		2611.0834	<ts>	2611.1786
1957		2611.9816	a near death experience	2613.7535
1959		2614.1033	that	2614.3644
1961		2614.6302	allowed me to see,	2616.2191
1963		2617.5573	just how quickly	2618.6904
1965		2619.9261	you know, life could be gone.	2621.4264
1967		2621.7295	And	2622.2191
1969		2623.6133	it allowed me to see that there may be some things	2627.0312
1971		2627.7015	that	2627.9253
1973		2628.1864	I had planned,	2629.2402
1975		2629.7905	that god did not plan.	2631.0401
1977		2632.3038	And so	2633.3156
1979		2633.5010	I- I- I really honestly believe that sometimes god can send us a sign to let us	2638.5556
1981		2639.7434	see that our plans are not his. And that	2642.8862
1983		2643.2499	I- I've- honestly believed that	2644.9146
1985		2645.2725	there's some people that god just- uh, just does not allow	2648.6997
1987		2649.9121	to	2650.4483
1989		2650.9321	do their own thing.	2651.9813
1991		2652.5968	And I- and I feel like that- I'm one of those people that just can't	2656.2944
1993		2656.8027	have my way about everything. I- I have to depend on god, because if I don't,	2661.2546
1995		2662.2105	the near death experience could	2663.9253
1997		2664.3450	become	2664.9185
1999		2665.4314	something that's permanent.	2666.4852
2000	VLD_int_01	2668.7234	Can you tell me about that time?	2670.0092
2001	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2671.2996	<ts>	2671.3948
2003		2671.6692	Well it was, um,	2673.3945
2005		2674.7875	March the twenty-sixth of, uh,	2676.6201
2007		2676.9092	two thousand.	2677.6226
2009		2678.7510	Senior year,	2679.9214
2011		2680.7782	spring break	2681.7994
2013		2683.5666	I finally made it through all of my hard classes.	2686.8307
2015		2688.9465	I'm thinking about college a few months down the line	2692.3154
2017		2694.3683	and, um,	2695.6179
2019		2696.6712	<ts>	2696.7534
2021		2697.1707	I was riding, uh, in a car	2698.8913
2023		2700.3776	uh, with my cousin	2701.8091
2025		2702.1588	and	2702.8518
2027		2703.9913	we crossed the- uh, a busy intersection,	2706.6760
2029		2707.6692	but of course we had	2708.7464
2031		2709.4038	looked	2710.1499
2033		2711.3937	to be sure that there was no onc- oncoming traffic.	2714.8443
2035		2716.3084	And we crossed the intersection	2717.9300
2037		2719.5383	<ts>	2719.6464
2039		2719.8791	and I happened to look	2721.4458
2041		2722.6488	out of the passenger side window where I was sitting,	2725.0491
2043		2727.5577	and I saw another car coming.	2729.6409
2045		2731.0864	And we were	2731.9583
2047		2733.5437	committed	2734.0893
2049		2735.1093	to crossing the intersection.	2737.7019
2051		2738.5039	So, there was no way	2740.1312
2053		2741.3891	that we could avoid	2742.8765
2055		2745.0215	being struck. And	2746.9286
2057		2748.1025	my door was hit	2749.8651
2059		2751.0401	and I imagine that that other person,	2753.1244
2061		2753.9952	was going at least	2755.6412
2063		2756.1075	sixty or sixty-five miles per hour.	2758.3177
2065		2759.2165	And	2759.6828
2067		2761.9816	both of us	2763.0075
2069		2763.5484	in the car and the other driver walked away	2766.4336
2071		2767.1470	without	2767.7532
2073		2767.9723	any injuries,	2769.1147
2075		2770.1172	but the car was totaled.	2771.5568
2077		2771.7434	And	2772.3030
2079		2772.5734	I never actually saw the car again.	2774.5458
2081		2776.5882	But	2777.0265
2083		2777.9579	everybody that saw the car,	2780.1262
2085		2782.1639	just knew that whoever was in it	2784.0512
2087		2785.4874	was dead.	2786.3267
2089		2789.2119	But that was my sign from god that	2791.6442
2091		2793.5390	he spared me for a purpose.	2795.4695
2093		2797.7858	And	2798.1961
2095		2799.9680	it was up to me to decide to fulfill the purpose.	2803.2542
2097		2804.7883	And so, from that day to this one, although I have not been	2808.8998
2099		2809.5107	perfect. I've always	2810.9748
2101		2811.6230	strived to fulfill the purpose for which I feel like I'm here.	2815.3801
2102	VLD_int_01	2822.6717	Do you feel like we're relatively close?	2824.2058
2104		2826.0419	You- yeah. You and I.	2826.8672
2105	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2828.7184	Um, I- I think that we've,	2830.6721
2107		2831.0452	uh,	2831.4368
2109		2833.8278	managed to f-	2834.5412
2111		2834.7370	um,	2835.4271
2113		2836.5136	become close. Um, I	2838.5781
2115		2839.5993	feel like that- we	2841.4971
2117		2841.7629	may-	2842.2525
2119		2842.4297	may not	2842.9519
2121		2843.1746	always agree, on	2844.6574
2123		2844.9558	some things. [And-]	2846.2754
2124	VLD_int_01	2845.9537	[Most] things.	2847.0121
2125	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2847.1847	And we're not-	2848.1779
2127		2848.6197	we don't see each other	2849.9999
2129		2850.7413	often, but	2851.6412
2131		2852.0609	I've	2852.5878
2133		2854.6850	come to understand that	2856.6714
2135		2858.0609	we can always just	2859.3339
2137		2859.5950	seemingly pick up where we left off.	2861.6175
2138	VLD_int_01	2863.3335	So last year when I got sick, how- how'd you find out that I got sick?	2866.5556
2139	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2871.9634	When you got sick last year, um,	2874.5501
2141		2876.6579	<ts> you told me.	2877.7116
2143		2878.0660	Um,	2878.4856
2145		2878.7316	because,	2879.8827
2147		2882.0842	oh, you know. Even though we don't see each other often, we	2885.1244
2149		2885.3238	you know, periodically	2886.4848
2151		2887.4454	check on each other, but I- and I think that I reached out to you to check on you.	2892.1258
2153		2892.8066	And you told me that you had	2895.1380
2155		2896.1872	you know, had some illness	2897.7434
2157		2897.9952	and that's- and that's pretty much how I found out. Just	2900.9422
2159		2902.1499	you know, checking on you and seeing how things were going.	2904.8206
2160	VLD_int_01	2905.4641	Hm.	2905.5993
2162		2906.4992	And then you brought me coffee.	2907.6352
2163	VLD_se0_ag3_m_02	2908.3177	I did.	2909.0218
2164	VLD_int_01	2910.4522	I thought that was very nice. Thank you.	2912.2334