Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	VLD_int_01	0.9350	And	1.7452
3		2.1238	tell me your birthday please.	3.3919
4	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3.4540	Three fifteen, nineteen fifty-nine.	6.0406
5	VLD_int_01	8.8824	And where were you born?	9.8843
6	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	10.5122	Valdosta, Georgia.	11.8368
7	VLD_int_01	13.0652	And what neighborhood did you grow up in?	14.4974
8	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	16.3933	The west side	17.3500
10		17.6444	/RD-ADDRESS-6/.	19.2464
11	VLD_int_01	28.7613	Okay.	29.2311
13		29.8312	And how many years have you lived in Valdosta?	31.7728
14	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	34.4160	Mm, predominantly all my life except	37.4785
16		37.7162	there was a brief period I moved,	39.5807
18		40.5858	but I moved back.	41.6300
19	VLD_int_01	43.0822	Um, how long was that?	44.8088
21		44.9956	Maybe,	45.8447
23		46.1612	[what, ten year-]	46.8915
24	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	46.2631	[Mm.] About ten years.	48.0180
25	VLD_int_01	51.5334	And where'd you live?	52.4808
26	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	53.6953	When I [moved?]	54.4992
27	VLD_int_01	54.3746	[Mm-hm.]	54.7312
28	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	55.3030	Oklahoma City.	56.2653
29	VLD_int_01	57.1201	Okay.	57.5390
31		58.0650	Did you live in- have you lived any other place?	59.6330
32	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	60.4142	Nope.	60.7539
33	VLD_int_01	61.1898	Okay. Where'd you go to school?	62.6276
34	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	63.3126	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ city school system.	65.7689
35	VLD_int_01	72.6577	What about	73.0652
37		73.3426	college?	73.9314
38	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	75.1711	Well,	75.7428
40		76.0423	when I moved, I was in Oklahoma, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	79.7955
42		80.8427	And got my AA.	82.1221
44		82.6254	And then I- when I moved back,	84.3010
46		85.3030	um,	85.9483
48		87.6353	I went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/,	89.3274
50		89.5934	to get my BA.	90.7143
52		99.7367	Oh, and I have a master's	102.2531
54		102.9294	from /RD-SCHOOL-7/ which, that was a online course.	105.9693
56		107.1632	Online courses I did.	108.7822
58		109.7672	Actually I have two master's. One in counseling and one in, um,	112.9543
60		116.7012	oh heck, I forgot what I got it in.	118.3995
61	VLD_int_01	123.6744	Human Services.	124.6707
62	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	124.6877	Well both of them is in Human Services. One is more	127.3370
64		127.5747	dealing with, um,	128.6220
66		130.7386	gerontology. And the other one is counseling.	133.9144
67	VLD_int_01	134.1295	Oh okay.	134.7465
68	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	134.8824	Wow.	135.2956
69	VLD_int_01	135.7315	Uh,	136.3089
71		136.4895	what's- what's your current occupation?	138.1178
72	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	138.5954	Case manager.	139.5294
73	VLD_int_01	143.0783	Where was your father born?	144.2727
74	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	146.4069	If I'm not mistaken, I believe he was born in Valdosta as well.	149.4632
75	VLD_int_01	149.9670	Really?	150.3576
76	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	150.6407	Really.	151.2973
77	VLD_int_01	152.0332	Wow.	152.3955
79		152.5201	I did not know that. What about your mom?	153.9240
80	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	154.9934	Definitely Valdosta, Georgia.	156.3463
82		157.1671	By a midwife.	158.3280
83	VLD_int_01	159.7881	W- what was your dad's occupation?	161.3500
84	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	163.2577	He used to be a custodian at	166.3485
86		167.1066	a university.	168.0972
87	VLD_int_01	169.0539	And what about your mom?	169.9936
88	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	169.9936	No not a uni- no- not a university, at a nursing home. I remember. I think it was a nursing home.	174.4482
89		175.4445	My mom she started off, um,	177.7089
91		180.7765	anyway, she became a nurse for a psych ward.	183.0862
93		184.5688	Psychiatric ward.	185.5764
94	VLD_int_01	186.6407	Really?	187.0935
96		188.6276	Wow.	189.0635
98		192.1595	I didn't know she was a nurse.	193.1671
99	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	193.9317	Mm.	194.1835
100	VLD_int_01	196.9990	Just so much to learn.	198.0067
102		200.6390	How long have you known me?	201.6636
103	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	203.4009	Um,	204.4539
105		205.7615	since nineteen [eighty-three.]	207.2390
106	VLD_int_01	206.7559	[<laugh>]	209.4179
107		211.2917	Um, okay.	212.5880
109		213.4768	So we're gonna-	214.2410
111		214.6537	we'll start here.	215.3613
113		215.9113	Alright.	216.3973
115		217.4219	So,	217.8747
117		219.4881	when you were young, did- did you grow up in this- on this street, in this house, were you born, like	224.2814
119		225.0862	in the house, well not the house that we're in now, but the house next door?	227.7859
120	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	228.6973	Most definitely.	229.5011
121	VLD_int_01	230.1182	So describe the neighborhood when you were a child.	232.2806
122	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	233.0391	<ts>	233.1904
124		234.8671	The neighborhood was exactly like it said, it take a building to raise and child and that's what they did. Um,	241.2068
126		241.9823	we had	242.4295
128		242.6333	elderly people looking out for you.	244.9543
130		246.0802	Um,	246.6407
132		248.3729	when you went to school,	249.7768
134		250.6594	they're your parents.	251.9387
136		252.3859	On the way from school, the people in the neighborhood was your parents.	255.5107
138		255.9914	When you got home, you dealt with your parents, if you had any problems with the ones that you were	260.1465
140		260.5484	passing along the way.	261.7428
142		262.7386	So everybody	263.7349
144		264.4878	took a hand and help raising children.	266.5937
146		267.2050	If they seen you do something wrong, of course they reported it to your parents.	270.9860
148		271.7219	And they were allowed to	273.1541
150		273.4258	take care of the situation and then your parents took care of the situation. So it was a double dose.	277.7955
152		278.2653	Sometimes you got a triple.	279.5900
153	VLD_int_01	280.1827	[<laugh>]	280.8169
154	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	280.5122	[Depending] on what the situation was.	283.1615
155	VLD_int_01	284.0219	Now did you live with both of your parents?	285.8787
157		286.0655	Like-	286.5467
158	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	286.7216	Nope. I never lived with	288.0010
160		288.3463	either of my parents. My grandmother was my-	290.7692
162		292.5462	my- I guess you can say she was my rock. Cause she was the one that	296.4578
164		296.9956	took me from a baby on.	298.4731
166		298.9537	I never ever lived with my mom.	300.5671
168		301.1615	Never ever lived with my dad.	302.4691
170		303.3522	My grandmother took me from the first day	305.3047
172		305.8482	I came into the world.	306.9690
173	VLD_int_01	307.7785	Hm.	308.0672
174	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	308.6276	Mm-hm.	309.4032
175	VLD_int_01	308.6503	[What's your grandmother's] name?	309.9353
176	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	310.1386	/RD-NAME-4/.	311.3047
177	VLD_int_01	311.9387	Hm.	312.2048
179		312.7992	That's where I got my name from.	314.0672
181		315.5334	Um,	316.4901
183		316.6990	how- okay.	317.8651
185		318.1086	So who else lived in the house when you were young?	320.6113
186	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	321.3975	When I was young my- <clears throat>	323.4915
188		324.1482	my aunt /RD-NAME-3/	325.7049
190		326.6729	lived there	327.5956
192		328.1669	and my aunt	328.8292
194		329.4009	/RD-NAME-3/ lived there.	331.0313
196		331.4106	So it was two of my aunts that lived there at the time.	334.7165
198		335.9784	And sadly	337.2011
200		337.5011	enough, my aunt /RD-NAME-3/, she, um,	340.5184
202		341.2198	she committed suicide.	342.6124
204		343.0709	In nineteen sixty-three.	345.5051
206		347.5708	So.	348.2388
208		349.8408	And as a child-	351.0862
210		352.1447	Is it sixty-three?	353.0162
212		353.1405	It was sixty-three, or sixty-five. It was one of tha- At- at that time I was five years old.	356.9956
214		357.6183	And my perception of things were really-	359.8934
216		360.9851	really like a little kid, because	363.1428
218		364.6933	when the lady came running to the school, I was at the kindergarten. It was just only a block from the house,	370.8518
220		371.3443	she come running and said, um,	373.5124
222		374.5880	that my aunt had hung herself and I'm thinking,	377.3104
224		377.9274	oh my god.	379.0426
226		379.9212	And	380.5654
228		380.9503	then I see this big trash truck,	383.2832
230		383.8312	pass by, and I'm thinking, oh, they got her on this trash truck.	387.1056
232		387.6692	You know, it wa- it was-	388.6203
234		388.8235	it was crazy that was my first	390.9338
236		392.1125	imagination, cause I didn't know.	394.0202
238		394.7047	So I- I thought she was on the trash truck, but	397.0143
240		398.1125	later I found out differently.	399.4428
241	VLD_int_01	402.2764	Hm.	402.6308
242	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	403.3087	Yup.	403.6370
244		404.8371	And	405.5107
246		405.6914	it was the first time in my whole life I ever seen	408.4220
248		409.2860	my grandmother shed a tear.	410.8994
250		412.6707	And	413.3726
252		415.9200	it was-	416.7182
254		416.8767	it was	417.4258
256		417.7202	tough for her. It was real tough.	419.4462
257	VLD_int_01	421.7728	Were those her youngest two kids?	423.0805
258	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	423.7711	Yes.	424.4504
260		425.7859	/RD-NAME-3/ was a l-	426.7652
262		426.9237	maybe a couple of years older than	429.0013
264		429.2164	/RD-NAME-3/ was.	430.3202
266		431.2198	So,	431.7689
268		433.2917	yep.	433.6483
270		434.1465	it was a very sad time.	436.3089
271	VLD_int_01	438.7800	Hm.	439.0784
273		439.2556	So talk a little bit about	440.6498
275		441.8560	were there a lot of kids in the neighborhood	443.5085
277		443.9784	that you played with? Did y'all play games? Did y'all play in the street?	447.0013
278	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	447.4428	I had-	448.2127
280		448.4787	well,	448.8750
282		449.0160	cross the street there was some	450.5048
284		450.7256	kids, um,	451.8804
286		452.4861	/RD-NAME-3/,	453.7145
288		453.9013	was	454.3825
290		454.4839	a	455.0443
292		456.8728	childhood friend. And	458.3616
294		458.9560	then these people meet up- moved on the corner, sh- and she had a lot of kids.	462.7256
296		463.2294	that was the /RD-NAME-1/ family.	464.5767
298		465.1767	And so,	466.0485
300		466.7499	we would play games all- They w- they would skate I couldn't skate, I was-	471.1994
302		472.9141	I- I just didn't have that mobility to do that. But	476.5427
304		477.1201	we would	477.6296
306		479.1179	listen to music,	481.1577
308		481.7276	we'd play hopscotch, we would play jackstones.	484.9335
310		485.3953	Even shoot a few marbles.	487.0131
312		487.8464	Growing up w- and, uh,	489.1541
314		489.8391	we did jump rope so.	491.4519
316		492.3010	<ts> We play a lot of childhood-	493.4615
318		493.7502	we were outside, we was not	495.5617
320		495.9240	glued to a TV like kids are now.	498.0746
322		498.5105	Technology wasn't,	499.6879
324		500.7239	um,	501.4258
326		503.0802	highly rated as it is today. We-	505.3183
328		505.7542	Outside was our	506.7845
330		507.2996	fun and games, but when those street lights came on, you'd better be in- on that porch or in the house.	511.8221
332		512.5467	So, that's how it	513.6789
334		513.8883	was for us.	514.6243
335	VLD_int_01	515.1332	Can you tell me how to shoot marbles? Like explain how to shoot marbles, [I mean we talked] about it yesterday, but-	519.8091
336	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	518.2807	[Well],	518.8015
337		519.9727	with marbles you	521.1332
339		521.5804	y- you line 'em all up.	523.5051
341		523.6410	It's kind of like you put 'em on a hill.	525.4411
343		525.7978	Well actually,	526.5280
345		526.8558	well you kind of have to take-	528.3899
347		528.5598	You have your	529.3919
349		529.5561	dominant marble,	530.5694
351		531.0392	there's a whole bunch of marbles, you make a circle in the sand,	534.0956
353		534.5881	put the marbles on the inside,	536.0033
355		536.4844	and the	536.9317
357		537.3223	object of the game	538.5450
359		538.9351	is to shoot the marbles outside of the circle.	541.4542
361		541.8957	And the person that shoots the marbles outside of the circle,	544.1940
363		544.4652	they	544.9804
365		545.1389	take ownership of those marbles.	546.6277
367		547.2900	Okay, but if you miss, then the other person	549.8091
369		550.4935	gets to come in and- and do the same thing.	552.6164
371		552.9673	And it goes back and forth until all the marbles are outside of the circle,	556.0865
373		556.6803	pretty much it.	557.2634
374	VLD_int_01	558.1295	Were you good?	558.8546
375	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	559.5583	I was dern good at it.	560.9769
377		561.8204	I used to steal my cousin- get-	563.1728
379		563.4785	Well,	563.9654
381		564.2767	not steal 'em, but	565.3976
383		565.8893	I would used to beat him out on 'em.	567.2940
385		567.5204	I would-	567.9223
387		568.1770	Charles.	568.9296
389		569.6031	[Hm, yep.]	570.7635
390	VLD_int_01	569.6427	[<laugh>]	570.8485
391	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	571.4145	We used to- I used to get down there and I used to- <sound effect> yep.	574.1657
393		574.9860	I- I was pretty good with it.	576.4126
395		577.0183	Yep, marbles, jackstones, and the bolo bats. The bolo bats is-	580.5733
397		581.4672	is that little	582.4579
399		583.7146	wood board that had a ball on the	585.7525
401		585.9897	string- on a- and string, and you just	588.0333
403		588.5031	keep	588.9560
405		589.4372	bumping it, bumping it, bumping it back and forth.	591.0109
407		591.3845	I was good at that. Now one thing I wasn't good at was the yo-yo.	594.1352
409		594.6164	Never could get the-	595.4372
411		595.6127	I don't know. It wouldn't work for me,	597.2317
413		597.4581	but-	597.7355
415		598.4256	And the hula hoop. I didn't have the hips for the hula hoop either. But	601.6127
417		602.1618	other than that, I had it. Mm-hm.	604.1204
418	VLD_int_01	604.6520	Did you ride bicycles?	605.8748
419	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	606.0446	Oh, child, yes, yes, yes. I used to ride-	608.8411
421		609.4072	we used to ride out on,	610.5393
423		611.3880	uh, James Road. Way out there.	613.4032
425		613.9184	I used to have a- a friend named Steve.	616.3865
427		616.8445	And, uh, another friend named /RD-NAME-2/.	619.2164
429		619.6240	And we would ride in the evening time. /RD-NAME-2/ live way out on James Road.	622.9708
431		623.2917	And sometime we would ride out that way.	625.0013
433		625.6806	But, yep. I used to ride.	627.1977
435		628.1312	And then I-	628.6294
437		629.8012	My grandma bought me a bicycle one time,	631.8901
439		632.6316	the bicycle was very expensive.	634.4997
441		635.1502	And it was one that you could take apart.	636.9447
443		638.2240	And I was the only one that ever had one.	639.9959
445		640.0801	But it- it was- it was real nice	641.9031
447		643.3240	and I wore it out, but	644.4561
449		645.0222	yep.	645.4355
450	VLD_int_01	647.3257	Okay so, <clears throat> did you like school?	649.5504
451	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	651.1751	Yeah.	651.8148
453		652.1770	It was-	652.7431
455		653.1162	I think I did. I did pretty good.	655.2957
457		656.9713	I did pretty good in school.	658.6412
459		659.5273	I bet I coulda did better,	661.1428
461		662.8864	had I had	663.8091
463		665.7616	somebody to	667.2391
465		668.6720	just,	669.7812
467		671.5125	mm,	672.0050
469		676.4369	I'm not saying my grandma wasn't supportive, but she worked.	679.6410
471		680.6996	And you know,	681.7808
473		682.9860	she wasn't,	683.7559
475		686.5241	uh,	687.5544
477		690.0988	<ts> like oriented to-	691.5051
479		692.1844	Say, okay-	692.5580
481		692.6656	well you know what, maybe it was a lack of knowledge.	695.1672
483		695.9427	Because like, when I finished	697.8221
485		699.0222	high school,	699.9959
487		701.2408	um,	701.8861
489		703.2787	having-	703.8335
491		704.0259	Thinking that you had the ability to go to college was	706.7148
493		707.1276	kind of a far-fetch idea which	709.1258
495		709.8221	there was a lot of things out there, but	711.3619
497		711.5204	we wasn't aware of 'em, so.	713.0540
499		713.6653	Therefore you settle- I settled for	716.1222
501		716.5807	going to technical school	717.9619
503		718.1086	to begin with.	718.8558
505		720.1861	So I went to /RD-SCHOOL-7/,	722.0712
507		722.7958	and back then they had the-	724.4765
509		726.3616	uh,	726.8485
511		726.9900	I went for computer programming.	729.4128
513		729.9558	And they had them cobalt computer things and all that.	732.8846
515		733.0850	It was- it was very tedious. It was very-	735.6279
517		736.7426	uh, it was	737.9540
519		738.2541	really a headache. It was	739.8504
521		740.0372	crazy from where we've come now, to	742.6469
523		743.0766	technology now, so.	744.3616
525		745.1315	It was-	745.5561
527		747.4298	but I- I feel like I woulda had somebody that	749.7729
529		750.4182	knew the ins and outs. Knew what was available,	753.2940
531		753.8256	especially with governmental programs that was available,	756.5088
533		757.3127	we wasn't aware at that time.	758.7675
535		759.5260	Now that we know we- we're- you know, we use those things.	762.5994
537		763.6333	But, um,	764.3090
539		764.8298	<ts> I think that's	765.5430
541		765.6959	where	766.2223
543		766.6983	I felt kind of limited and in a box.	769.0013
545		770.3599	Cause I would've	771.4242
547		772.4483	went on to college instead of going to a technical school to start off with.	776.1618
549		777.9105	I just felt like we couldn't afford it.	779.3072
550	VLD_int_01	780.4635	Did you know about it? Did you know about college? Or it was just a simple affording it? Or was it like,	785.1445
552		785.5974	something that you really didn't even know about?	787.0504
553	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	787.8221	Well I knew you could go to college, but	789.7468
555		789.9218	just the thing of it, is that, it was like	792.1692
557		792.7352	it wasn't	793.4542
559		793.6353	something that	794.5750
561		797.5748	was talked about so much. Opening like they do not- Everybody-	800.9996
563		801.5317	When they ended up-	802.1261
565		802.3498	That's great, they talking about, oh, I'm going to this college, you know.	804.6333
567		805.0692	Back then,	805.7316
569		806.3882	college was	807.1864
571		807.7921	more for the	808.9296
573		810.7331	I would call them /sadittity/ people.	812.4392
575		812.9090	You know, if you had	813.9393
577		814.3350	a little money or something, that's- those are the people that were talking about college, you know.	818.1618
579		818.9090	People I went to school with, a few of 'em had money, their parents had money. They were educated, so	823.6353
581		824.2297	therefore they already had, you know, kind of groomed and programmed their kids about college.	828.7038
583		829.2560	Me, I had nobody to, you know	831.0902
585		831.8883	tell me about college,	833.0267
587		833.1060	so.	833.5012
589		834.4069	Like I said, I settled for	835.7089
591		836.6486	trade school.	837.3562
592	VLD_int_01	839.3880	Was, like <clears throat> couple of things. Growing u- so this was the sixties right? The earl-	843.6223
593	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	844.0463	[Mm-hm.]	844.7936
594	VLD_int_01	844.0582	[throughout the sixties.]	844.9296
595		844.9917	[And the seventies.]	845.8465
596	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	845.3440	[Seventies.]	845.8238
597		845.8691	[Mm.]	846.1085
598	VLD_int_01	846.0619	[So],	846.5541
599		848.1391	did money-	849.1581
601		849.6676	was money, or race	851.4464
603		851.5351	the biggest	852.3323
605		852.9560	issue? Like, being in the south	854.4788
607		854.9543	in- especially in Valdosta.	856.4318
609		857.1898	Was it a race thing?	858.9560
611		859.1428	Not just even college, but just in general was it race?	861.8261
613		862.1029	That you noticed a lot of, or was it	863.4502
615		864.1182	more about having money?	865.2391
616	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	867.1354	Mm.	867.7412
618		869.2011	I think a combination of both.	870.8732
620		871.7089	But more so,	872.7052
622		873.4128	the financial	874.4488
624		875.1728	part.	875.6484
626		877.7316	Because	878.3316
628		879.1354	round in th-	880.2900
630		880.4426	Well, about the earl- <clears throat> early seventies, s- you start seeing the changes.	884.6939
632		885.2543	People start	885.9450
634		886.0350	doing a little different. You start seeing some breakthroughs.	888.8937
636		889.4315	I even remember, <clears throat> as a child my- well	892.3129
638		892.9256	not a child, but	894.1578
640		894.6560	maybe	895.1428
642		895.5221	early teens and my aunt them,	897.3619
644		898.1879	walk- did a walkout at school, they boycotted the school.	901.2787
646		902.2071	Um, because of	903.6053
648		903.9280	racial injustices, so.	905.5238
650		906.3050	Um,	906.9673
652		909.2147	I think it was a combination of both, because we even still had,	912.1239
654		912.8541	when I was growing up,	913.8731
656		914.1844	probably around about third grade or so,	915.8940
658		916.3803	we even had a-	917.8578
660		919.0239	a restaurant that had-	920.4788
662		921.4519	only whites really went there.	923.1955
664		923.8974	And if-	924.3729
666		925.1541	if you were	926.1052
668		926.5128	colored so to speak, they'd	928.4941
670		928.6284	g- g- go to the back door and get a sandwich or something.	931.0353
672		931.6466	But, uh,	932.2920
674		933.5544	it's time when old things change.	935.4672
676		936.5457	And that ra- that restaurant is still in business.	939.1354
678		939.9614	But it's- I- The perception of it has	942.0503
680		942.3899	totally changed. I'm sure, I'm-	943.7259
682		944.3769	Actually, I think I went in there one time- went in that door one time, but I- I don't think I ever purchased anything.	949.4938
684		949.8787	I don't even know- remember why I went in there.	951.5034
686		952.2728	But I- I never ever	953.7276
688		954.9673	was a patron, of that, uh, restaurant.	957.5147
690		957.8204	You know King's Grill, right over there on the corner of, uh-	960.5824
691	VLD_int_01	960.6673	Mm-hm.	961.1202
692	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	961.1258	Mm-hm.	961.6693
694		962.7052	That was one of the	963.6902
696		964.7539	most racial	966.3956
698		966.6673	/discrimitory/ (laughing)	967.9806
700		968.7958	um,	969.4525
702		969.9676	[restaurants.]	970.8219
703	VLD_int_01	970.2671	[Right next door] to a coffee [shop.]	971.6823
704	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	971.3993	[Mm-hm.]	971.9654
705		972.1918	That- that was- that was the part, the place.	974.5241
706	VLD_int_01	975.3789	They've-	975.7695
708		976.1765	Did they close and reopen? Or they just always been open?	978.4862
709	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	978.7126	I think they were always open. I never s- I don't think they ever closed.	982.6526
711		984.1069	[Yep.]	984.5598
712	VLD_int_01	984.1409	[Hm.]	984.5994
713		985.7825	So, <clears throat>	987.0222
715		987.9336	how did you get into-	989.3766
717		989.6031	When you said you went to trade school, I thought I- immediately I thought you went for cosmetology.	993.0732
718	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	993.9053	Well you know I had that too. I had a couple of things under my belt. I had that	997.2334
720		997.5504	well and actually, in high school, they- we had a ta- cosmetology class.	1001.8287
722		1002.4465	And so,	1003.3693
724		1003.9410	um,	1004.5694
726		1005.2826	I was like, only, um,	1006.8111
728		1007.2011	<ts> one semester from completing,	1008.8711
730		1009.7995	um,	1010.5014
732		1011.1581	to get the	1012.0412
734		1012.2280	license, but I didn't never finish it.	1014.1409
736		1015.9818	But, uh,	1016.8298
738		1017.6048	yeah. I could- I could do- I used to do hair,	1019.7389
740		1020.2654	when I was coming up.	1021.1485
742		1022.9486	Braid a lot,	1024.0412
744		1027.1315	/unintelligible/.	1027.8787
746		1029.3845	Anyway, so	1030.6752
748		1031.2295	yep. That was one of the things, occupations I had.	1033.8051
750		1034.8637	Or not occupations, but one of the things I could do,	1037.2181
752		1037.8238	that made a little bit of money on the side.	1039.2900
754		1039.9127	We ain't have much money, so five, or ten dollars, that was a lot when	1042.8192
756		1043.0370	a kid gave you five dollars to do their hair.	1045.0466
758		1045.4881	And then I remember,	1046.4052
760		1046.5367	this old lady used to have me do her, um,	1048.8111
762		1049.3313	grandkid's hair, so I did that on the regular.	1051.5731
764		1052.0882	I would wash it and press it and curl it and they looked so	1054.8054
766		1055.5578	beautiful.	1056.1748
768		1056.7522	But	1057.0296
770		1057.1485	that was one of the things I-	1058.4731
772		1058.7052	I've done.	1059.4072
774		1060.3350	Now I- I- I'm older and I like- I don't even know how to do hair anymore. It's- it's kind of funny	1065.1977
776		1065.5450	how things evolve around.	1066.9407
778		1067.9880	Anyway,	1068.7466
780		1069.1825	but I guess I- push come to shove, I could do it.	1071.5940
782		1072.8558	But, um,	1073.5351
784		1074.4522	I do- I do know how to do some things.	1076.3782
786		1076.6720	Some things you'll never forget.	1077.9393
788		1079.4106	Curling is one of them. I- I can curl.	1081.5504
790		1082.5354	Just having the right equipment to do it with.	1084.4827
791	VLD_int_01	1084.9011	The old time that you put on the stove [kind?]	1087.0806
792	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1086.7862	[the old] times were kind that's what works.	1089.8796
793	VLD_int_01	1090.7596	So, thinking about- Okay so you went to trade school and then,	1094.4561
795		1094.7165	how old were you when you went to school?	1096.7714
796	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1097.9710	What [school?]	1098.6333
797	VLD_int_01	1098.2937	[When you] started	1099.1541
798		1099.3296	[/RD-SCHOOL-3/-] Mm-hm.	1100.3882
799	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1099.3410	[Trade school?]	1100.0599
800		1101.0902	Um, I was probably about seventeen cause I-	1103.7276
802		1104.5088	seventeen, about seventeen.	1106.4675
804		1107.1581	Cause I finished school at sixteen	1109.1389
806		1111.2108	and	1111.9353
808		1112.2750	turned seventeen. Had a kid at seventeen.	1114.9130
810		1116.6968	And	1117.5402
812		1117.7548	then after that I start going to trade school, so.	1120.8004
814		1121.6495	Between seventeen, eighteen.	1123.3195
816		1123.8907	And I went there for a couple of years.	1125.7871
818		1127.0721	And then my cousin came along, he was in the military.	1130.1063
820		1130.9719	And, um,	1131.8720
822		1133.4627	I moved to Oklahoma with them.	1135.2855
824		1136.3153	To see could I get a-	1137.3059
826		1138.2966	a new start. I try to	1139.7118
828		1140.6119	change things. Make	1141.5868
830		1141.8058	my life better.	1142.5700
832		1144.6589	And so that's how I wound up in Oklahoma.	1146.8043
834		1148.0039	Stayed there	1149.0682
836		1149.4984	ten years. In the process of that,	1151.6608
838		1152.2326	got married, got divorced, had a child.	1155.0738
840		1155.7588	And then I moved back to Valdosta.	1157.1627
842		1158.8157	That's a lot of things happening, in ten years.	1160.7002
843	VLD_int_01	1160.8361	That was a lot.	1161.7305
845		1161.9060	That was a lot. so going back. Let's go back for one more [second cause that was-](laughing)	1165.3582
846	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1164.1760	[<laugh>]	1165.6286
847	VLD_int_01	1165.6756	That was a whole lot in ten seconds, in ten years.	1167.9399
849		1168.6350	Um, how was it having a kid, like young? Was it	1171.8629
851		1172.0152	difficult? Like, was-	1173.3621
853		1173.4644	was grandma /RD-NAME-2/, like, okay with it? Like what was-	1176.6401
854	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1177.5737	Oh, it- They were very supportive. I mean,	1180.9306
856		1182.3183	um.	1182.9345
858		1184.4285	In fact when I moved, they wanted to keep him, but I-	1187.3932
860		1187.5363	I took him with me.	1188.4817
862		1189.1893	And then eventually,	1190.6832
864		1191.9626	on- during the summer breaks,	1193.2080
866		1193.5137	he would come down	1194.6571
868		1195.2346	and visit.	1195.9818
870		1197.0342	But	1197.6003
872		1199.8024	just	1200.1647
874		1200.4703	getting	1200.9855
876		1201.5629	all the things in- in- in motion for s- like, daycare	1205.7514
878		1206.1930	and when work- The one thing about it, when I went there I had	1209.1248
880		1209.2833	my cousins, they were very supportive.	1210.9985
882		1211.5363	I wor- I took a night job so that	1213.8573
884		1214.2813	I could be	1214.9097
886		1215.5890	home in the daytime, so I had him in the daytime.	1218.0458
888		1219.1327	And then eventually I moved out, cause I stayed with them on base for a while.	1222.8853
890		1223.7458	Then I moved to my own apartment,	1225.4327
892		1226.9941	<ts>	1227.0963
894		1227.6456	And	1228.3702
896		1228.6589	so there was some,	1229.8420
898		1230.4760	um,	1231.0534
900		1231.5171	governmental plans. Where I- he could get daycare,	1234.4208
902		1234.9237	while I worked.	1236.1038
904		1236.3967	And the things like that, so that was	1238.4341
906		1238.9153	very helpful at that time.	1240.2060
907	VLD_int_01	1240.7325	Oh that's	1241.1853
909		1241.2872	The Salvation Army?	1242.2156
911		1242.6587	Was that [how-]	1243.1779
912	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1243.1044	[No.] That wasn't The Salvation Army at that time, no.	1245.5946
913	VLD_int_01	1245.6003	Oh.	1245.9852
914	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1246.0871	He went to, um,	1247.6382
916		1248.3277	<ts>	1248.4381
918		1248.8779	oh, I can't think of it. I- but I know it's on fifty-ninth.	1251.3852
920		1251.9909	At this other daycare.	1253.4627
922		1254.9402	Um.	1255.6308
924		1258.0645	And then he went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ schools [up-]	1260.1703
925	VLD_int_01	1259.9778	[Mm-hm.]	1260.3967
926	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1260.6741	Uh,	1261.2572
928		1261.6020	no. He went to another school before then.	1263.4757
930		1264.0532	It was-	1264.6475
932		1264.8570	I can't think of the name of the school either.	1266.4930
934		1266.9289	But	1267.2685
936		1267.7775	whatever that school was, a bus would come and	1269.6739
938		1270.0532	transport 'em from school to	1271.8080
940		1272.2722	back to the daycare.	1273.4610
942		1274.1285	So,	1274.5757
944		1275.4814	and at that time, I- I took a job at, a-	1278.0061
946		1279.2685	a hotel and I was	1280.5870
948		1280.8078	like the	1281.7418
950		1282.8683	hostess for the lobby. I kept	1284.3628
952		1284.6005	pretty much	1285.1044
954		1285.3365	the lobby,	1286.1969
956		1286.8530	um,	1287.5097
958		1288.5400	in check. Made coffee and stuff like that.	1290.8779
960		1291.7662	And then they had a position open where	1294.4154
962		1294.6645	they needed a s-	1295.3665
964		1295.6382	um,	1296.1816
966		1296.5655	<ts>	1296.6964
968		1297.8629	manager slash supervisor for	1300.2626
970		1300.6524	house keeping department.	1301.9161
972		1302.4896	And eventually I worked myself into that.	1304.5879
974		1305.5194	And I did that a couple of years.	1307.3612
976		1308.4244	And I found- Let me see,	1310.5693
978		1312.5639	my last job that I was there, I worked at a	1315.0026
980		1316.0424	/RD-WORK-6/.	1317.3947
982		1318.1582	And I was working in the custodian part, that's when I s-	1320.8533
984		1321.2543	um,	1321.6787
986		1322.2595	<ts>	1322.3985
988		1322.8164	this girl,	1323.7210
990		1325.2866	inspired me. She said, I don't know, you say you are smart. Why don't you go- go to school. And she kept every	1330.4717
992		1331.0721	time I'd see her, she would tell me that.	1333.0072
994		1334.1403	And so that's how I ended up at /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	1336.3039
996		1336.8017	Cause she just kept	1337.6410
998		1338.5689	pushing me and pushing me. Said, I don't know why you won't	1340.6812
1000		1340.8904	get yourself in school.	1342.0334
1002		1343.1094	You can go to college- go, you know.	1344.8440
1004		1346.1123	And eventually I got myself	1347.8796
1006		1350.1819	signed up. And I was there.	1351.9025
1008		1353.5065	And, um,	1354.4951
1010		1356.1259	I'm- When I got there,	1357.5574
1012		1357.7579	after I guess the semester or so,	1360.0707
1014		1360.6991	I met this girl,	1361.7855
1016		1363.1844	and we been friends ever since. Her name is /RD-NAME-5/.	1366.3645
1018		1366.9182	Well she was /RD-NAME-3/ at that time.	1368.7041
1020		1370.3222	And	1370.8491
1022		1370.9796	we've	1371.3387
1024		1371.4646	been friends ever since. So that's been over	1373.5244
1026		1374.3777	what? Twenty	1375.2310
1028		1375.4875	five years at least	1376.7745
1030		1377.5532	bare minimum.	1378.3785
1032		1379.2120	And then I had another friend too,	1380.6062
1034		1381.2264	um,	1381.7020
1036		1382.0610	when I moved from my cousin's house to a apartments,	1385.3938
1038		1385.9487	over there, um,	1387.3290
1040		1388.2382	on /RD-ADDRESS-3/ street,	1389.6977
1042		1390.9555	Southeast /RD-ADDRESS-3/.	1392.4430
1044		1392.5829	I'm trying to think,	1393.2124
1046		1393.5621	it was called /RD-ADDRESS-5/.	1395.0915
1048		1395.3375	And it was /RD-SCHOOL-2/ school, or something like that.	1397.3519
1050		1397.7342	Yeah.	1398.0280
1052		1399.2264	Uh, /RD-NAME-3/,	1400.9004
1054		1403.3006	She had this little girl.	1404.6249
1056		1404.7834	Oh, she was just a doll. I wanted a little girl. I said, ooh can I have your little girl?	1409.3659
1058		1410.2565	And, um,	1411.1191
1060		1411.6693	they called her Ms. Piggy.	1412.8724
1062		1414.7644	And I thought she was just the	1416.3870
1064		1417.5015	cutest little thing ever.	1418.7278
1066		1419.6977	And, um,	1420.5417
1068		1420.6851	so we became friends. And so, we've been friends ever since as well.	1423.5994
1070		1424.8594	So that's pretty much it. How I got there. Then afte- When I stayed in /RD-ADDRESS-2/ apartments,	1429.8279
1072		1430.5320	I met, um,	1431.8469
1074		1433.1933	my husband	1434.5316
1076		1434.8673	/RD-NAME-5/.	1436.7978
1078		1437.6919	So, after a few months,	1439.5011
1080		1441.1005	we decided we wanted to get married.	1442.8071
1082		1443.2594	We did.	1443.9961
1084		1445.7529	Well a few- Well let me see. How many years were we married before we got- had,	1449.4366
1086		1449.7105	mm. Hm. i-	1453.3523
1088		1453.8465	maybe about	1454.3734
1090		1456.4240	two years. Two and a half years, we just-	1458.6295
1092		1459.2031	We didn't really decide, cause I don't think at that time, he wanted no kids.	1462.8017
1094		1463.9161	But anyway,	1464.5176
1096		1464.9746	I got pregnant, I wasn't getting rid of it, so.	1466.9330
1098		1467.7945	I had it.	1468.4519
1100		1470.4617	But	1470.7601
1102		1472.8164	in the end, he really	1474.1174
1104		1474.9835	was proud that he had a daughter.	1476.5596
1106		1477.7626	Very very much so.	1479.0775
1108		1480.2188	So it kind of worked out. Everything kind of worked out.	1482.6342
1110		1483.9582	Then I moved back here cause my grandma was ailing. And	1486.6896
1112		1486.8530	getting older. And	1488.5363
1114		1490.0424	she had been my rock and so this was the opportunity for me to be her rock, so.	1494.0840
1116		1496.7232	I said okay. That's what I need to do. I need to move.	1499.5475
1118		1500.5736	And I did.	1501.2777
1120		1502.2336	And I don't regret one minute.	1503.7257
1121	VLD_int_01	1504.5266	So when you moved back here, what- <clears throat>	1506.4430
1123		1508.0237	Didn't you take the same job that she had had?	1510.1127
1124	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1510.5266	Yep, I did. It was- it was just,	1512.9140
1126		1513.4735	god opening a door	1515.0029
1128		1515.6838	for me.	1516.3074
1130		1516.4473	You know I close one, but another one came open because	1519.2823
1132		1519.9118	the lady she worked for,	1521.3433
1134		1521.9157	you know, she was ailing, my grandmother was ailing so she couldn't	1524.7368
1136		1525.2404	no longer be her	1526.8397
1138		1528.3027	caregiver to her, so.	1530.1819
1140		1531.0632	I kind of	1531.6146
1142		1531.8465	stepped in that position	1532.9983
1144		1533.7537	and it worked out really well.	1535.2086
1146		1535.4125	It- it really did.	1536.6528
1148		1538.1123	So,	1538.4947
1150		1540.4007	I had	1541.0255
1152		1543.0911	more than I could ever	1544.5506
1154		1546.5639	wish for.	1547.2866
1156		1548.5935	We were blessed.	1549.5807
1158		1550.9283	I mean you have to understand, coming from a poor	1553.2819
1160		1554.1353	perspective and being able to	1556.1310
1162		1557.2594	do some things that you thought you'd never be able to do,	1559.5944
1164		1561.4828	travel,	1562.3035
1166		1564.6571	eat well,	1565.4405
1168		1566.9140	travel,	1567.6041
1170		1568.9004	and just have a good time.	1570.0194
1172		1570.5312	So we- we did. We had a good time.	1572.7647
1174		1573.2543	And	1573.6554
1176		1573.7579	not only i- it was just me, it was my	1576.4251
1178		1576.5872	me and my family, as well as,	1578.5456
1180		1579.0911	the person that I was,	1580.0051
1182		1580.5786	um,	1581.1148
1184		1581.4319	caring for. She always wanted to be a part of it, so.	1583.7715
1186		1584.6575	We go, she go too.	1585.8978
1188		1586.2988	So,	1586.7138
1190		1587.3387	that's how that went.	1588.1314
1192		1588.6991	We were just one happy family all together.	1590.7927
1194		1591.9025	And when my daughter decided to go to college,	1594.3505
1196		1595.9860	and	1596.5549
1198		1596.8347	she was	1597.3756
1200		1598.6019	talking about going to Washington,	1600.1966
1202		1602.2751	which was like, ooh, that's a long way, but	1604.4294
1204		1605.7443	I- it- I didn't fret about it, cause I tried to	1608.5969
1206		1609.7300	give her some of the things that I didn't have. I wanted her to be able to	1613.0488
1208		1613.8088	see some of the world. And she was able to go abroad a couple of times, I think	1617.6930
1210		1618.3960	during the course of that.	1619.9114
1212		1620.9233	So I know she wa- you know, she was well versed and she could-	1624.1826
1214		1624.4240	she could handle herself.	1625.4918
1216		1626.2099	So when she decided she wanted to go to DC, I said,	1629.2827
1218		1630.0614	alright.	1630.5464
1220		1631.4312	But we as one big family got the who- U-Haul together and	1634.6859
1222		1635.9297	rolled on up to DC,	1637.3192
1224		1637.6876	so.	1638.2285
1226		1638.8580	That's why I be at in and out,	1640.3828
1228		1641.0309	um,	1641.6651
1230		1644.3171	from DC to Michigan to	1646.1589
1232		1646.5646	back to DC.	1647.8189
1234		1648.5592	So it's been a-	1649.6410
1236		1650.1726	I've had a full life, it's been full circle, pretty much. <laugh>	1653.5298
1238		1654.3121	And then my little one came along,	1656.0094
1240		1659.3993	that's a story within itself.	1661.3146
1242		1662.8300	But thank god she was blessed that she's still alive.	1665.8143
1244		1667.0162	There was some	1668.0094
1246		1668.4430	complications with her, but	1670.0051
1248		1671.1009	Like I say we're grateful and thankful	1673.1700
1250		1673.9161	that she is	1675.0678
1252		1675.2730	thriving. She's thriving real good.	1677.0962
1254		1678.7737	Sometime I think she's thriving better than me.	1680.7181
1256		1680.9419	/Well/ she's doing real good.	1682.2942
1257	VLD_int_01	1683.9344	Was that scary?	1684.7923
1258	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1686.4430	Which one?	1687.0072
1259	VLD_int_01	1687.3709	The little one.	1688.0191
1260	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1688.9097	Oh my god, yes. It was woo.	1691.7063
1262		1693.3989	Yes.	1694.0750
1264		1695.3191	Had you on pins and needles.	1696.7690
1266		1698.5409	And I know it was,	1699.5807
1268		1700.3688	real scary for the mother,	1701.9530
1270		1702.1209	which is you.	1702.9322
1272		1704.2798	Um,	1704.8393
1274		1707.6138	but I think things	1708.8157
1276		1709.0535	come your way so it	1710.1073
1278		1710.2891	just teach you a little bit more patience, a little more	1713.3853
1280		1719.4448	grace. A little more	1720.8063
1282		1721.9064	thanksgiving- I'm not saying we not thankful, but it just really	1725.5205
1284		1730.1030	just let you know that	1731.2454
1286		1734.4150	god is in control	1735.9351
1288		1737.8469	and he's not gonna put	1739.3053
1290		1739.7809	no more on you than you can bare.	1741.7346
1292		1742.4201	And I believe that wholeheartedly that	1744.4519
1294		1746.3451	no matter what we went through,	1747.7514
1296		1750.1582	he brought us through.	1751.2586
1298		1751.8368	And still bringing us through.	1753.0678
1300		1754.2848	Um,	1754.9004
1302		1755.0915	we have been really blessed over the	1757.8368
1304		1758.3591	last	1759.1611
1306		1759.7440	three or four years, for sure.	1761.3946
1308		1762.2701	There hasn't been,	1763.5571
1310		1765.6507	um,	1766.4294
1312		1767.2353	<ts>	1767.3538
1314		1767.5334	less running to the hospital, less running to the doctor, so.	1770.5316
1316		1771.4595	I'll knock on some wood,	1772.7978
1318		1774.2514	thankful and grateful for that.	1775.6969
1320		1777.1378	Cause at one time, that's where we lived at the hospital,	1779.8096
1322		1779.9542	we lived at a doctor's office, so.	1781.7576
1324		1782.4710	We got a lot to be thankful for.	1783.9398
1326		1785.4832	Even though my little granddaughter, she is	1787.2493
1328		1787.3799	extra,	1788.0140
1330		1789.1810	she's spoiled,	1790.3315
1332		1791.3328	And you know, I don't know how the spoiledness came in there, but	1794.2845
1334		1794.7274	it just-	1795.2031
1336		1795.2730	just- just got there.	1796.3408
1338		1796.8957	And	1797.3293
1340		1798.7177	I be trying to do,	1800.0140
1342		1800.2472	what I'm sposta do as a grandparent. I- I really do as far as	1803.2501
1344		1804.2048	cause I want her to be,	1805.0908
1346		1805.3612	even though she's spoiled, I want her to be a good spoiled. I don't want her to be the person that	1809.2314
1348		1809.7350	when people see her coming, they say, ugh.	1811.6363
1350		1812.3358	I don't want that.	1813.1378
1352		1813.8745	I want her to be a person that	1815.8842
1354		1816.7690	people will like. And be	1818.1026
1356		1818.2705	glad to have around.	1819.4222
1358		1819.7626	And I think she's that. Cause I- I- I think when she goes other places,	1823.0674
1360		1823.5944	she knows	1824.3031
1362		1824.5083	how to act when she needs to act. I- I really think so.	1827.3480
1364		1828.5872	Um,	1829.1421
1366		1829.9301	so,	1830.3404
1368		1831.2777	I think she gonna be okay.	1832.3641
1370		1833.5765	I really do.	1834.1500
1371	VLD_int_01	1836.3544	What about your grandson?	1837.4968
1372	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1838.5600	Oh lord, I have a new grandbaby. Which- well he's not new now. He's	1843.2590
1374		1845.0869	twelve months	1845.9215
1376		1846.3214	one year	1847.0628
1378		1847.5104	old.	1848.0373
1380		1848.4943	In fact, his birthday was on the twenty-first. And we're getting ready to celebrate.	1852.4624
1382		1853.0208	A big party today.	1854.3031
1384		1855.5901	Um,	1856.1496
1386		1857.6371	he's-	1858.2479
1388		1858.3447	he's more than a notion. He's gonna be	1860.4244
1390		1861.1891	a handful.	1862.0890
1392		1863.1569	But he's gonna be all boy.	1864.5883
1394		1865.4545	All boy.	1866.4010
1396		1867.4549	He's just a busy little body. He is	1869.7070
1398		1870.2048	as cute as he wants to be.	1871.9814
1400		1872.8300	And	1873.5248
1402		1873.9258	he's a joy to be around.	1875.2314
1403	VLD_int_01	1877.7016	Do you see your kids in your grandkids?	1879.7440
1404	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1880.6952	Every last one of 'em.	1881.9868
1406		1882.8110	Yep. My- I see my-	1884.5596
1408		1885.0632	the little boy is	1886.4107
1410		1886.6299	just like his daddy.	1887.9122
1412		1888.8063	And	1889.3659
1414		1890.2938	the little girl,	1891.3056
1416		1891.7486	somewhat like her momma, that there- there,	1893.8516
1418		1894.0707	a-	1894.3738
1420		1895.1892	/ppearances/	1896.1492
1422		1896.8767	as far as	1897.9398
1424		1899.0169	looking alike, as that- at that age,	1901.1747
1426		1902.3078	and	1902.6808
1428		1902.9279	the-	1903.4595
1430		1904.9377	Even though /RD-NAME-3/,	1905.8143
1432		1906.2095	her interests are a little different than,	1908.0094
1434		1908.8487	um,	1909.4968
1436		1909.9724	/RD-NAME-2/'s was when she was little,	1911.8376
1438		1912.9182	the persistence,	1914.0420
1440		1914.2565	about whatever she want do i- it just-	1916.9703
1442		1917.2920	it's just there.	1918.0801
1444		1919.2633	She has these blocks,	1920.8020
1446		1921.0678	and she wants to play with the blocks,	1922.7978
1448		1923.1895	/RD-NAME-2/ used to like to read,	1924.7550
1450		1925.2260	she wanted to read all the time.	1927.1284
1452		1927.7032	So,	1928.1543
1454		1928.6252	I see /RD-NAME-3/'s persis-	1930.0847
1456		1930.3307	persistence as the same as /RD-NAME-2/'s when it comes to- It might be different interests, but	1934.5926
1458		1934.9004	their persistence is the same.	1936.2759
1459	VLD_int_01	1938.2425	Really?	1938.6202
1460	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1938.6342	Yes.	1939.3768
1462		1940.4107	Most definitely.	1941.0542
1464		1942.4986	You see how she acts.	1943.9254
1465	VLD_int_01	1945.0632	I was like that?	1945.7020
1466	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1945.8325	Oh god, yes.	1947.5718
1467	VLD_int_01	1947.6278	Mm.	1948.0008
1468	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1948.0230	Anybody had the-	1948.8996
1470		1949.0162	My grandmother had to get up at three o'clock in the morning to make green beans, you know.	1952.5366
1472		1952.7465	Persistence, yeah. What would you call that?	1954.8949
1473	VLD_int_01	1956.5876	A lover of green [beans.]	1958.1729
1474	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1957.7066	[Okay.] Well, a lover of green beans then.	1960.4624
1475	VLD_int_01	1961.0547	<laugh>	1961.9500
1476	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1962.1446	School,	1962.8580
1478		1963.0818	school. You had to teach.	1964.8817
1480		1966.0416	Always teaching somebody something.	1967.9581
1482		1968.7321	So,	1969.2450
1484		1970.5646	/RD-NAME-3/	1971.1941
1486		1971.6359	she's teaching people how to build.	1973.7855
1488		1974.6202	That sort of thing. Anybody comes through the door,	1976.7278
1490		1977.3760	blocks.	1978.1220
1492		1979.0301	/Persi-/	1979.4824
1494		1979.7016	So that's the same thing, but just	1981.3569
1496		1981.5854	different interests,	1982.6346
1498		1983.4880	but the persistence is there.	1984.9415
1499	VLD_int_01	1985.5244	That's true.	1986.0933
1500	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1986.6948	[Mm.]	1987.1238
1501	VLD_int_01	1986.6995	[So],	1987.1005
1502		1988.2009	<clears throat>	1988.6579
1504		1988.8397	let's talk about-	1989.7257
1506		1990.2887	talk about your fiftieth birthday party.	1992.3218
1507	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	1993.3896	Oh man was that a grand slam. I- I need another one of those.	1997.6550
1509		1998.2611	I've got- Hopefully I'll live long enough where I can get another one of them	2001.1661
1511		2001.2501	coming sometime soon.	2003.2120
1513		2003.9581	Oh my daughter did it right. She did it right. She hooked me up.	2007.8983
1515		2008.7877	I love Vegas.	2009.7995
1517		2010.3870	Well not so much Vegas. But I- I just like	2012.8257
1519		2013.6464	the, um,	2014.2573
1521		2016.4010	atmosphere of the	2017.7253
1523		2017.8419	slot machines. I- I like 'em I don't know why, it's-	2020.1862
1525		2020.2654	it's the jingle and the	2021.3752
1527		2021.6418	tingling of the bells, or whatever and that	2023.5901
1529		2023.6927	<sound effect> I love, I love it, I love it.	2025.9635
1531		2026.7364	Well anyway, my daughter,	2027.8695
1533		2029.7440	got some of my friends,	2031.3946
1535		2031.6138	uh, my	2032.4298
1537		2032.6198	few friends I have,	2033.6876
1539		2034.4197	as well as, um,	2035.9025
1541		2036.2848	a couple of relatives	2037.5718
1543		2038.7271	and we all, <clears throat> went to	2041.4875
1545		2042.4807	Las Vegas.	2043.6884
1547		2045.3263	It was the bomb.	2046.6295
1549		2047.1658	We got shirts made, oh it was so nice.	2050.0614
1551		2050.7644	And then we had this m- beautiful, beautiful dinner.	2054.1729
1553		2054.9377	What was the name of that place?	2055.9868
1554	VLD_int_01	2056.0976	But before we got- So when we got to the airport,	2058.1026
1555	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2058.2005	Oh, yeah yeah.	2059.2031
1556	VLD_int_01	2059.1891	And we-	2059.5341
1557		2059.6414	we had the limo.	2060.5786
1558	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2060.5926	Ah yes.	2061.5431
1560		2061.6930	We had the limo ride- ah, not only that,	2064.2018
1562		2065.2917	one person I didn't expect to see,	2067.6418
1564		2067.7723	was there.	2068.6896
1566		2068.8530	M- my cousin.	2070.0560
1568		2070.4383	She showed up	2071.1005
1570		2072.0470	and we got the limo ride, and we got to the room,	2075.1700
1572		2075.9068	and when we got it where we had adjoining rooms.	2078.7465
1574		2079.5392	And	2080.3179
1576		2080.6012	we were in the room	2082.0327
1578		2082.6528	and all of a sudden this person come	2084.4620
1580		2084.6998	out the adjoining room,	2086.4111
1582		2087.0395	which I had no idea she was going to be there either.	2090.6159
1584		2091.6184	Oh my god. It was just like	2094.0013
1586		2094.8406	I- uh, yeah I was speechless.	2096.7605
1588		2097.0449	It was-	2097.5905
1590		2097.6977	it was awesome.	2098.4811
1592		2099.3332	That was one of the best birthdays I ever had. It- it really was.	2102.7138
1594		2102.9796	And actually I think that was one of the	2104.5324
1596		2104.7923	biggest parties I ever had, cause I don't think-	2106.5083
1598		2106.8906	as a kid I don't remember- I remember we had ma- cake and ice cream, but	2109.8562
1600		2110.3214	to say a big birthday party like most people have,	2112.8067
1602		2113.5061	I don't think	2114.1077
1604		2114.2475	I ever had really had a	2115.6231
1606		2116.9042	birthday party.	2117.7715
1608		2118.7041	In fact I know I didn't. I know we just probably-	2120.7605
1610		2121.1988	Our family members, you know had, some cake and ice cream, or something like that, but	2124.6342
1612		2125.6134	didn't really have no birthday party. Not-	2127.4319
1614		2128.8250	not at my house.	2130.0000
1616		2131.2590	So,	2131.5947
1618		2132.4714	that was a real treat at fifty.	2133.8469
1620		2134.0707	It- it was awesome.	2135.2959
1622		2136.1166	Never can forget it.	2137.1844
1624		2138.6252	Just looking forward to another one.	2140.0055
1625	VLD_int_01	2141.5804	Well sixty is coming.	2142.7601
1626	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2142.9699	Oh lord. How many mo- more years I've gotta wait?	2145.3340
1628		2145.7303	Two more?	2146.2013
1630		2146.8996	I'm fifty-eight [now.]	2147.6783
1631	VLD_int_01	2147.5804	[Mm, two.]	2148.0560
1632	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2148.8643	<sigh> I hope I be ready. I need to have me a couple of	2151.7832
1634		2152.4920	grand saved back so I can just [really-]	2154.9360
1635	VLD_int_01	2154.5379	[Then we'll have] a graduation.	2155.6989
1636	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2156.6951	Uh, who graduating?	2157.6061
1637	VLD_int_01	2158.2635	Hopefully I am.	2158.9163
1638	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2159.1203	Oh, ho, yeah yeah.	2160.8363
1640		2160.9575	<laugh>	2162.7154
1642		2163.1351	True, true, true, true.	2164.5806
1644		2165.4281	Oh, wow.	2166.3467
1645	VLD_int_01	2166.4120	Is there anything	2167.1440
1647		2167.4285	in life that you feel like you haven't done, that you wanna do?	2170.2775
1648	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2171.5866	Really you know what?	2172.5519
1650		2172.7151	I have,	2173.5031
1652		2175.1351	I've been blessed. I've been to- I've been abroad myself so I can knock on wood on that.	2179.8948
1654		2180.4124	I've been able to, uh,	2181.9278
1656		2182.1470	travel abroad I-	2183.0609
1658		2183.4141	I never thought I'd be able to do that.	2185.0042
1660		2185.6150	But I've been to Ghana,	2187.1911
1662		2187.7366	three times.	2188.8977
1664		2190.3607	Um,	2191.0181
1666		2192.4030	I'm thinking would I like to go, uh, i- i- anywhere else abroad. I don't know.	2196.8596
1668		2197.8342	Um,	2198.4217
1670		2202.7664	Nah, there's nothing I regret, cause I mean	2205.3309
1672		2206.5993	I've been able to	2207.6484
1674		2208.1462	have a new car off the shor- uh, off the showroom. I mean	2211.6387
1676		2211.7553	with zero miles, well maybe,	2213.3267
1678		2213.5540	five, ten miles cause somebody else	2215.1860
1680		2215.4005	got in it or whatever. They moved it to the showroom, but.	2217.5454
1682		2218.8919	You know I've been blessed, I- you know	2220.8223
1684		2222.1233	coming up poor and	2223.4413
1686		2223.6014	been able to	2224.4221
1688		2225.3628	actually,	2226.1135
1690		2227.0508	afford a couple of new cars. And,	2229.2563
1692		2230.3055	um,	2230.8557
1694		2232.0576	you know,	2232.5519
1696		2233.6057	pay for 'em.	2234.2538
1698		2236.9163	I think that's-	2237.4805
1700		2237.9457	that's-	2238.2767
1702		2238.4909	that's good.	2239.0928
1704		2239.7825	Mm.	2240.0623
1706		2240.1699	I mean,	2240.7481
1708		2241.2517	I'm not a materialistic person. I don't-	2243.4277
1710		2245.0088	I don't live in a big fancy house, I live in	2247.2657
1712		2248.3521	a old house from my neighborhood. I live right next door to where I was born,	2252.2616
1714		2252.9859	um,	2253.6853
1716		2255.9826	two bedrooms.	2257.1394
1718		2258.9253	Just plain and simple. I don't have all the old fancy stuff. Now trust me now, if I wanted to go out and buy the Pier One this Pier One that	2265.1631
1720		2265.6014	I could do that, but I don't- that's-	2267.2474
1722		2267.3721	that's not who I am.	2268.4959
1724		2269.5171	I feel like I'm'a I- I'm- I was born to	2273.1168
1726		2274.0529	help others.	2275.0461
1728		2275.2886	And	2275.7316
1730		2276.4450	sometimes I don't understand the	2278.3335
1732		2278.5573	helping of others	2279.4805
1734		2279.9597	myself,	2280.6731
1736		2280.8876	but	2281.2653
1738		2282.7621	when	2283.4475
1740		2284.0863	the good master speak to my heart and he say, you need to do this.	2286.7710
1742		2287.2047	I do what I- I don't- I can't understand all of it. I- I don't	2290.4500
1744		2291.1775	and I ain't- I'm not trying to understand all of it, but	2293.8808
1746		2299.0555	I'm just a-	2299.9134
1748		2301.5874	a giver.	2302.2355
1750		2303.8105	And so,	2304.4726
1752		2304.8596	those things doesn't mean anything to me, so.	2307.4429
1754		2307.8392	I'd rather help somebody	2309.0842
1756		2310.1788	then to	2311.0648
1758		2311.2839	just have something hanging on the wall, just to say you got	2313.4242
1760		2313.9464	this little thing hanging on the wall.	2315.5645
1762		2316.2861	Basically all I need is a computer, a desk and a bed.	2318.6455
1764		2319.6713	That's pretty much it.	2320.5853
1766		2321.2847	I have more than that. Yeah now trust me, I- you know, but	2324.3922
1768		2325.0372	I'm- I'm not	2325.8206
1770		2327.3034	a very materialistic	2328.5985
1772		2328.8083	person.	2329.3632
1773	VLD_int_01	2332.6972	So,	2333.1075
1775		2333.3209	<clears throat>	2333.9597
1777		2334.2581	<ts>	2334.3467
1779		2334.4026	I wanna ask you this question,	2335.5637
1781		2336.6129	has there ever been a time that you felt like, oh my god	2339.2894
1783		2339.8058	this is it, I'm gonna die.	2340.8176
1785		2343.3822	Like,	2343.6387
1787		2343.7972	my life is about to end right now.	2345.3220
1788	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2349.6387	Hm.	2350.1610
1790		2351.8769	Yeah.	2352.4131
1792		2353.9939	I remember the day my grandmother called me,	2356.3288
1794		2356.7998	she was sick.	2357.6764
1796		2359.9939	And I didn't actually	2361.2797
1798		2362.9163	get the phone call- I didn't actually pick up the phone when she actually called me	2366.8985
1800		2367.7366	it was on my voicemail.	2369.2707
1802		2370.3106	And she said,	2371.6162
1804		2373.5548	I need you (whispered).	2374.3801
1806		2375.7463	And I thought I was going to die at that point in time.	2378.9171
1808		2380.2169	I quickly put some clothes on	2382.1847
1810		2383.8586	got	2384.4975
1812		2385.1118	in the car, rushed off.	2386.7438
1814		2387.4852	And I was driving like a bat out of heck.	2389.8338
1816		2390.8926	And I was I- w- a- at the same time, I was calling nine-one-one.	2394.3572
1818		2395.9332	And	2396.5627
1820		2398.2915	I had my flashers on, but I can remember going down that street and the lady say,	2401.7498
1822		2402.1373	you need to slow down, you need to calm down. And I- it was like I was hyperventilating. I couldn't hardly breathe and I was just,	2407.1266
1824		2407.6581	going around with this driving. I was crying, I was screaming, I was hollering.	2410.9024
1826		2411.1075	All these emotions just,	2412.5670
1828		2412.6883	coming out at the same time.	2414.1058
1830		2414.6187	And I'm driving so fast, but I'm- I'm trying to	2417.7184
1832		2418.2639	be aware of my	2419.4250
1834		2420.4182	driving so I won't wreck, you know, wreck, cause I needed to get there.	2423.7277
1836		2424.4617	And good thing we didn't live very far away. It was like maybe a five, six minutes drive.	2429.2288
1838		2431.5462	And when I got there and she was all slumped over like she was, it was just-	2435.5256
1840		2436.7908	Oh, I just thought my whole world was gone.	2440.9910
1842		2442.5950	I- Oh my god,	2444.1104
1844		2444.3471	it- I just lost it.	2446.8138
1846		2448.3152	And so,	2449.1032
1848		2449.5695	paramedics came and	2450.8612
1850		2452.2775	so they,	2452.9676
1852		2453.2428	th-	2453.5878
1854		2454.0821	they just	2454.4691
1856		2454.8141	told me to, move out the way, move out the way because I was, you know, blocking what they had to do.	2459.4666
1858		2460.1007	So I was in the front. And I was just like, couldn't hardly breathe. I was just-	2463.2657
1860		2464.1703	<sigh> And- and- and so they were gonna take her to the hospital, so okay, I get	2468.3716
1862		2468.9393	in the car and I head to the hospital.	2471.0283
1864		2471.4899	But it takes them a long time to get there. They finally get there with her,	2474.4322
1866		2475.4708	<ts>	2475.5299
1868		2475.5828	and	2475.9791
1870		2476.7671	thank god she was-	2477.8629
1872		2478.2313	she	2478.5530
1874		2478.9400	came out okay, you know. I mean there was	2481.4848
1876		2481.6107	other things going on, but	2482.9630
1878		2483.4899	she was able to	2484.5157
1880		2485.7561	revive enough and come back,	2487.6620
1882		2488.9303	um,	2489.5971
1884		2490.4085	home you know. And- and be home, but	2492.7586
1886		2495.8909	at that point,	2496.8095
1888		2497.4343	when she returned home, I	2498.7866
1890		2499.9791	told god thank you.	2501.3686
1892		2502.0215	Because I know he did it for me.	2503.9566
1894		2505.0792	That he didn't take her that particular day.	2507.2521
1896		2507.7697	But he was getting me ready,	2509.5089
1898		2510.3051	in case something did happen.	2511.9325
1900		2512.7531	So,	2513.3733
1902		2513.5505	that was one of the days in my life that I thought I would die.	2516.7446
1904		2517.5470	And had she had died, I'm- I probably would have had a heart attack.	2520.8425
1906		2521.6305	I probably would have had a heart attack.	2524.0179
1908		2524.7873	But	2525.0391
1910		2525.8913	I was so grateful,	2527.0104
1912		2528.3440	that	2528.6331
1914		2528.7916	he didn't let her go	2530.0599
1916		2531.2198	that day.	2531.9472
1918		2534.3782	So,	2534.8755
1920		2535.0714	yeah.	2535.4071
1921	VLD_int_01	2539.6430	So, on that same vein, I'm gonna ask you about last year,	2543.2136
1923		2544.0436	when I called you	2545.0275
1925		2545.9461	July seventeenth.	2546.9300
1927		2548.3090	You, /RD-NAME-2/ all y'all were in the car together and I could barely talk.	2551.7265
1929		2552.7516	Tell me what happened.	2554.0899
1930	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2554.9432	Oh god,	2555.7079
1932		2556.3094	that's another event as well.	2557.9508
1934		2561.4561	I-	2562.5286
1936		2562.8130	uh, maybe that could be a expression.	2565.0186
1938		2566.1738	I thought	2566.9385
1940		2567.2416	I tried to maintain because we- I- wer- we- t- I was already tired.	2571.2921
1942		2571.6889	We had been off on a trip. And we was getting ready to come back home.	2574.6591
1944		2575.5684	And we were driving out, in fact I was-	2577.5393
1946		2578.8686	I can remember where I was at. I was in Dothan, Alabama getting ready to turn,	2583.1445
1948		2583.7029	like you're getting ready, headed-	2585.1121
1950		2585.4328	um,	2586.2442
1952		2587.3166	to Donalsonville.	2588.7295
1954		2590.1039	And I was on that street, and it was almost at the light	2592.9902
1956		2593.6477	and I get this call and it's like,	2595.2610
1958		2595.5303	oh my g- god.	2596.7567
1960		2597.6706	And I- I could just see everything, just	2600.6595
1962		2601.4744	my- my vision of	2603.3022
1964		2605.1115	you telling me you had a stroke was just like, oh my god, you know, cause	2609.2416
1966		2609.6939	most stroke patients are all paralyzed, their everything is-	2612.8321
1968		2614.0386	and I'm thinking, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord.	2616.7850
1970		2618.6036	And	2619.1351
1972		2621.6286	my first instinct was to keep driving. Just don't even stop home, just keep driving.	2626.9152
1974		2627.7825	And then,	2628.3374
1976		2628.7990	a voice came to me and said,	2630.5383
1978		2630.9055	calm down, she's at the hospital. They got her.	2633.5727
1980		2634.1322	They're taking care of her.	2635.1534
1982		2636.4450	You're not gonna be any good to her if you don't	2638.3230
1984		2638.5375	settle down and- and take care of yourself, so you can get there.	2641.8249
1986		2643.9453	So I listened.	2644.8173
1988		2645.7732	And I told him, I said, okay, I'm not gonna leave right now. We gonna	2648.9067
1990		2649.5024	go and I'm gonna lay down and	2650.9152
1992		2651.0551	try to get some rest and	2652.5099
1994		2653.2327	we'll leave early morning.	2654.4497
1996		2656.3464	And that's what we did.	2657.1763
1998		2657.9970	We left and we got to the hospital.	2660.0440
2000		2661.1895	That was a very, very, scary, scary, scary moment for me.	2665.2886
2002		2666.0487	Because I'm thinking	2667.3590
2004		2668.9992	she's too young	2670.1695
2006		2670.3887	to have a	2671.1441
2008		2671.6057	stroke.	2672.8367
2010		2674.5329	What in the world happened?	2676.1882
2012		2676.7944	Then I'm thinking, did	2677.7876
2014		2677.9787	she	2678.3098
2016		2678.4823	fall and hit hersel-	2679.9407
2018		2680.0386	Did something hit her, or?	2681.7406
2020		2682.4260	What happened?	2683.3959
2022		2683.6011	You know.	2684.1373
2024		2685.5723	And as of today,	2686.9619
2026		2688.5472	we still wondering what happened.	2690.3052
2028		2691.2366	And I hope they keep searching til they find out what happened.	2694.0856
2030		2694.9669	But yeah, that was another scary event.	2697.0978
2032		2697.2412	Yeah, that was	2698.3743
2034		2698.9665	very very traumatizing.	2700.8224
2036		2702.2445	And	2702.7248
2038		2702.9255	m- I'm still worried.	2704.5558
2040		2707.0695	And	2707.7503
2042		2710.0619	I- I just	2711.4981
2044		2711.6660	hope you'll slow down some. I- I know you trying to get this graduate school thing done. I- I wanna get that done and out the way.	2718.4260
2046		2719.1066	But at the same time, not at the expense of your health.	2722.1421
2048		2723.2041	So,	2723.6284
2050		2725.1019	try to balance.	2726.1184
2051	VLD_int_01	2730.2113	Mkay, we're gonna shift gears.	2731.7687
2052	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2731.9366	Mkay.	2732.6080
2053	VLD_int_01	2734.5000	What is your favorite	2735.6471
2055		2736.0434	book, or movie?	2737.0739
2056	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2738.0998	Hm.	2738.6034
2058		2740.6416	Wow. My favorite book,	2742.1927
2060		2744.8039	mm,	2745.7225
2062		2750.6080	Mm.	2752.7845
2064		2755.6755	You know what, it might seem /it's-/	2757.0816
2066		2760.1553	Let me see /here/,	2761.1625
2068		2761.2744	my favorite book I have-	2762.6966
2070		2764.4907	Maybe I don't have a favorite book.	2766.0947
2072		2769.1023	Mm, favorite movie,	2770.2634
2074		2771.7404	what movie I can look at it and keep looking at it and keep looking at it.	2774.8505
2075	VLD_int_01	2775.7148	I Don't Love Him?	2776.4021
2076	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2776.7145	<laugh> /I don't know/, maybe I just don't have one.	2778.9527
2078		2779.6148	Um,	2780.3562
2080		2787.9684	I'm trying to-	2789.0223
2081	VLD_int_01	2789.0363	Well maybe one that you really like.	2790.3978
2082	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2790.5470	One I really like is-	2792.1511
2084		2792.3702	I like quite a few.	2793.5126
2086		2796.3465	I like Meet the Browns.	2797.9273
2088		2798.3516	I like Meet the Browns.	2799.6106
2089	VLD_int_01	2799.8437	Why?	2800.2354
2090	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2801.3720	Cause it tells of the story of the struggle as a single parent.	2804.8412
2092		2805.3961	And his kid was able to make it in-	2807.1715
2094		2808.5377	When the kid got on top, the father wasn't really there. He was absent father, but when he-	2812.9010
2096		2813.2741	Father got there, I mean when the kid got on top,	2815.8153
2098		2816.3049	the father wanted to be in the limelight,	2818.2167
2100		2820.1367	but he didn't forget where he came from. He didn't forget his mom.	2823.3961
2102		2824.6399	I like that.	2825.2647
2103	VLD_int_01	2825.7357	Mm.	2826.1320
2105		2827.1439	And you used to sing, how did you get into singing?	2829.1629
2106	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2831.2927	When I was a kid, that's what we did. We went to church, we went to Sunday school, we went to everything, BTU.	2836.9477
2108		2838.0388	Uh, that's-	2838.7102
2110		2838.8828	that's	2839.2418
2112		2839.3537	part of our growing up.	2840.5754
2113	VLD_int_01	2842.7891	So you just was at church and that just-	2844.7895
2114	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2844.7988	We was at church	2845.9366
2116		2846.1371	and, um, this was- started with angel choir.	2848.3473
2118		2850.6356	Mm-hm.	2851.1392
2119	VLD_int_01	2851.1625	And then you became the choir director.	2852.6780
2120	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2852.8412	Yep. Choir director.	2854.4532
2121	VLD_int_01	2854.7984	Youth,	2855.4746
2123		2855.8523	talk about those days.	2857.6102
2125		2857.8107	When you were the youth	2858.7992
2127		2860.3601	choir director, and youth managed- whatever, I don't know what the title [was but it-]	2864.1604
2128	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2863.8573	[It] was just choir director.	2865.3308
2129		2866.6306	<yawn>	2867.5585
2131		2868.5144	And that came from- that stemmed from-	2870.2816
2133		2871.7085	that didn't happen til I went to Oklahoma and came back. Cause when I was in Oklahoma,	2875.5169
2135		2876.2164	I sang with what we called a TJ choir and that was a	2879.3020
2137		2880.3605	a mass choir in the church that I belonged to, Evangelistic Missionary Baptist Church.	2884.9197
2139		2886.0061	Um,	2886.7429
2141		2888.2024	and they were	2890.1281
2143		2891.4093	an excellent choir.	2892.6030
2145		2893.4376	I learned a lot.	2894.3702
2147		2895.1629	Especially from Ms. /RD-NAME-2/, that was, uh,	2897.1575
2149		2897.5818	one of the main directors.	2899.1066
2151		2900.0019	Um, of the choir.	2901.2329
2153		2902.8311	And, um,	2903.5771
2155		2904.9107	she was just a inspiration to me.	2906.4075
2157		2907.3914	Um,	2907.9510
2159		2909.6657	and so when I came back home,	2911.2325
2161		2912.7013	I started helping out	2914.1095
2163		2915.0316	with the	2915.8429
2165		2916.3092	youth choir and so,	2917.5542
2167		2918.5474	just worked there for	2919.8717
2169		2920.5466	a good while.	2921.3393
2171		2923.3304	I like to sing, so.	2924.6080
2173		2925.7120	It was, you know,	2926.8777
2175		2927.1668	something that I was doing. Some o- One of the talents that I had.	2930.4215
2177		2932.0664	Just putting it to use.	2933.0782
2178	VLD_int_01	2934.8781	You used to have sleepovers.	2936.7759
2179	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2938.7499	Uh, yeah.	2939.8594
2181		2941.1452	Soon as you get older, you forget about all that stuff you used to do, I mean,	2943.9569
2183		2944.6470	but that was just a part of the-	2946.1625
2185		2946.8141	who I was, to have a kid, you know,	2949.0430
2187		2949.9756	um, stay over, and	2951.6915
2189		2953.2664	do things with them.	2954.5814
2191		2955.5139	Um,	2956.1108
2193		2957.9468	Just keeping 'em involved in something positive so they wouldn't	2960.9031
2195		2961.5979	be a product of the streets.	2963.2765
2197		2964.3618	I think that was the main thing. Want to,	2965.9705
2199		2966.5394	try to keep our kids safe.	2968.0642
2200	VLD_int_01	2970.3198	So what's your job now?	2971.4856
2202		2972.1850	Since you're talking about being a product of the streets.	2974.5678
2203	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	2976.3059	Uh,	2976.6136
2205		2979.0103	I work as a case manager.	2980.6051
2207		2981.7230	And, I work in a residential facility, which is,	2984.8751
2209		2985.5699	um,	2986.2134
2211		2986.9967	youth that are sent there, are-	2989.2851
2213		2990.8705	are-	2991.5559
2215		2991.8497	a- are there because the judge	2993.8780
2217		2994.1018	has mandated	2995.1452
2219		2995.4296	them to	2996.1291
2221		2997.0849	come to our program. And our program will usually last from six to nine months.	3001.1871
2223		3002.0358	It's, uh,	3003.3554
2225		3004.5165	these youth that have-	3005.6216
2227		3006.0261	that are there,	3007.1918
2229		3007.8027	have committed crimes.	3009.4393
2231		3010.7094	From battery, to carjacking, to,	3014.1133
2233		3015.9633	uh,	3017.1290
2235		3017.3109	petty	3017.7958
2237		3017.9497	theft.	3018.9390
2239		3019.0968	Uh, grand larceny.	3021.0494
2241		3021.7581	Just	3022.3177
2243		3022.6441	you name it,	3023.4414
2245		3024.0290	they have done it.	3025.4418
2247		3026.2986	Um,	3026.7929
2249		3027.5530	and so that's	3028.4716
2251		3028.9192	the population that I'm working with now.	3030.7610
2253		3031.2786	Not only that, most of 'em have some kind of-	3034.4995
2255		3036.5978	Well actually.	3037.2040
2257		3037.7263	most of them,	3038.6448
2259		3039.1939	um,	3039.8327
2261		3040.2058	have low IQ scores as well.	3042.9009
2263		3043.6890	Um,	3044.2765
2265		3044.5504	so,	3045.0400
2267		3045.3012	that's why they're- Our program is designed for	3047.9497
2269		3048.6864	the mentally challenged. So that's why we say, you know,	3052.3363
2271		3052.9052	if they don't m- meet a certain criteria,	3055.3019
2273		3055.9221	um,	3056.5329
2275		3056.9748	as far as	3057.8840
2277		3058.8632	/Ice c-/ IQ scores,	3060.5652
2279		3061.6610	um,	3062.1506
2281		3062.7043	they're usually sent to our program.	3064.7420
2283		3065.7445	So- and the age range is from	3067.4884
2285		3069.4923	twelve to	3071.1057
2287		3072.1502	eighteen,	3073.0688
2289		3073.8941	generally.	3074.5796
2290	VLD_int_01	3077.4554	Is it hard	3078.1642
2292		3078.4393	seeing kids,	3080.4397
2294		3081.2359	like,	3081.5250
2296		3082.6114	when you know they can do better?	3083.7165
2297	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3085.5677	it i- <clears throat> it is.	3087.9540
2299		3088.8028	And	3089.3715
2301		3090.9149	I've been in, my position about-	3094.2573
2303		3094.7840	actually eleven years on the	3096.6445
2305		3098.4012	fifth of July will be my anniversary, so that be eleven years.	3101.4414
2307		3102.3087	Um,	3102.8543
2309		3103.5257	and	3104.1133
2311		3104.8955	over the eleven years, the population of the kids	3107.9497
2313		3108.5092	that we're seeing,	3110.3091
2315		3111.7534	is changing.	3112.9192
2317		3113.3715	And it's changing with the trends.	3114.9009
2319		3115.6330	You have more kids now that are involved in gang activity.	3119.7305
2321		3120.4113	And so it even because more difficult to,	3123.5296
2323		3124.3130	um,	3124.8399
2325		3125.0451	work with those kids, because	3126.6305
2327		3127.3159	not only y- are you trying to	3129.2545
2329		3129.3384	pull them in a- or- or help guide them in a different direction,	3132.7377
2331		3133.2460	but they're being pulled by	3134.9701
2333		3135.9166	another group.	3136.5182
2335		3138.6305	So,	3139.0734
2337		3140.4711	it becomes difficult for them to make that choice of what they wanna do.	3143.6792
2339		3144.2994	Um,	3144.9102
2341		3145.8603	and most of them,	3146.9747
2343		3148.5834	my feeling is, most of them	3150.2761
2345		3151.1247	will return back to	3152.8628
2347		3155.2642	where they left	3155.9776
2349		3156.1362	when they	3156.5978
2351		3156.9662	came into the program.	3157.8941
2353		3159.4317	So,	3159.9589
2355		3160.1684	the percentage of kids,	3162.1129
2357		3163.2180	making a turnaround	3164.6075
2359		3165.4597	doing what they	3166.4342
2361		3166.9378	need to do	3168.0476
2363		3168.9615	and be able to go back in there- in society and you know, be	3172.7560
2365		3175.2273	a productive citizen.	3176.5516
2367		3179.0451	It's grim. It looks-	3180.5698
2369		3181.3287	And it looks real gray. It's- it's very gray and it's	3184.4715
2371		3184.8679	and it's real sad.	3185.9170
2373		3187.0081	It's really sad because	3188.2531
2375		3190.4482	even when you pour yourself into a person and- and you feel like	3193.8102
2377		3194.9328	they,	3196.1218
2379		3198.4113	uh, some of 'em, just,	3199.6423
2381		3202.4295	uh,	3203.5533
2383		3204.0522	<ts>	3204.1875
2385		3205.3718	how do you say it,	3206.3604
2387		3208.5321	they just do enough to escape, they just	3210.9102
2389		3211.2366	play the game to	3212.6122
2391		3213.5856	get by and you can tell it, you can tell when they're genuine, or not genuine.	3216.9615
2393		3217.9209	Um,	3218.5131
2395		3219.7954	and that's what I see a lot of	3221.3202
2397		3222.8169	and	3223.5071
2399		3223.6423	so my expression to them when I- <clears throat> when they first come in is that	3227.0637
2401		3228.1968	we're here to help you, we can't change you, you're the one that can change yourself.	3231.6462
2403		3232.3176	Um,	3232.8818
2405		3233.3575	but if you want my help, I'm willing to do, what I can do	3236.7694
2407		3237.4130	a hundred and ten percent,	3238.6114
2409		3238.9844	or more.	3239.5486
2411		3240.2854	But if you don't want my help, don't waste my time because there-	3243.1333
2413		3243.2498	there might be that one child out there that really wants to change.	3246.9009
2415		3247.5723	And so,	3248.5655
2417		3248.8815	I don't wanna waste my time	3250.4342
2419		3251.3621	with you. If you do not- gonna, you know.	3253.4837
2421		3253.7390	Do what you need to do.	3254.6343
2423		3255.2638	And that's my speech	3256.4995
2425		3256.9984	to them.	3257.4694
2427		3258.6304	And-	3259.2086
2429		3259.7635	and I s-	3260.2251
2431		3260.4385	s- told them the way I would know that they want to make the change is	3263.7398
2433		3264.2154	in their actions, what they do,	3265.6329
2435		3266.0899	on a daily basis.	3267.1939
2437		3267.7487	They have what they called point cards. And	3269.5253
2439		3270.0755	if a kid is doing what he's sposta do,	3272.0713
2441		3272.6716	he'll make his level. And he'll stay on level so,	3275.3528
2443		3276.0196	that's a indicator of-	3277.3998
2445		3278.4571	one of the indicators of	3279.7814
2447		3280.2150	whether they	3280.7326
2449		3280.8492	really are serious about what they wanna do.	3282.8589
2451		3283.6143	Um,	3284.2065
2453		3286.7280	and	3287.2409
2455		3287.3621	really	3287.8377
2457		3288.0103	pretty much	3288.5978
2459		3288.9149	kind of	3289.4231
2461		3289.8509	got some goals set for themselves.	3291.6928
2463		3292.2710	We have different	3292.9378
2465		3293.1150	programs they can be involved in. And so if they show interest in	3296.6588
2467		3296.7928	wanna do that and	3297.9772
2469		3298.7466	have tried to	3299.7958
2471		3301.3718	keep this stuff on level so they can participate in different off	3304.3642
2473		3304.5088	prog- off campus programs and stuff.	3306.3740
2475		3307.2692	And	3307.7169
2477		3307.9582	you know, they're asking questions and	3309.9399
2479		3310.9378	I- maybe I say asking the right questions and	3313.2366
2481		3313.8521	doing the right things	3315.0400
2483		3315.3571	that you know that	3316.1171
2485		3316.5228	pretty much that kid is	3317.8097
2487		3317.9916	trying to	3318.7143
2489		3319.3112	get hisself together. We've had, um,	3321.5109
2491		3322.4808	a couple of kids that's interested in going to Job Corps so	3325.8148
2493		3326.3639	we have those,	3327.4223
2495		3327.6088	um,	3328.2150
2497		3330.1548	respected people to come out and talk with them and,	3333.0353
2499		3333.7114	uh, sometimes they take them to their offices, so they can s-	3336.6817
2501		3336.8682	you know, see,	3337.6049
2503		3338.6063	um,	3339.1612
2505		3339.4643	the program they have available and stuff like that, so	3342.3044
2507		3343.7029	there's-	3344.2298
2509		3345.3990	there's hope if they want it	3346.6766
2511		3347.0264	I'll put it like that.	3347.7771
2513		3348.2620	But they have to want it.	3349.3998
2515		3350.1400	And if you don't want it, guess what, it's not gonna happen.	3352.7559
2517		3353.2269	And some no matter what I do, I can talk til I'm blue in the face and it's not gonna work	3356.4676
2519		3357.2778	until they decide they wanna change,	3359.1569
2521		3359.4973	you know.	3359.8610
2523		3361.0454	And some of 'em get so close to the door, getting ready to go home and then they'll make a stupid decision.	3366.0569
2525		3367.0128	Uh, get involved in somebody else's	3368.8596
2527		3369.0213	junk.	3369.7720
2529		3370.4995	And then they-	3371.1662
2531		3371.8576	their time be extended in the program, so.	3374.5002
2533		3375.0959	We've had that. I just recently had a case that was like that, so.	3378.4672
2535		3379.9535	At the end of the day,	3381.0120
2537		3381.4456	it's what you decide how you want to do. And what you wanna do.	3385.1806
2539		3386.0607	And	3386.6529
2541		3387.7347	when they decide they wanna	3389.2408
2543		3389.7258	do what they need to do, guess what? We're there to help 'em a hundred percent.	3392.6867
2544	VLD_int_01	3394.9284	Mm.	3395.1989
2546		3396.6494	<clears throat>	3397.3115
2548		3397.6422	What are a couple of s- southern traditions that you feel like you-	3400.8538
2550		3401.7304	maybe	3402.3249
2552		3402.7010	that you didn't do	3403.9407
2554		3406.5041	when you were in Oklahoma that you could do here?	3408.5138
2556		3409.0221	So I always think,	3410.0805
2558		3410.7275	like I would never do this in DC- Like I would never sit on the porch and shell peas.	3414.7559
2559	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3415.5805	Um,	3416.0519
2561		3416.2032	well,	3416.5979
2563		3416.8042	that is one.	3417.8140
2565		3418.6067	Um, bet I hadn't shelled peas in a long time.	3421.0827
2567		3421.3205	<ts>	3421.3811
2569		3421.9267	Another southern tradition we used to do is when the, uh, peach field open up, we always go out and pick peaches.	3427.6702
2571		3428.4757	Um,	3428.9840
2573		3429.4223	I enjoyed that.	3430.3595
2575		3431.6466	But the bugs are	3432.7376
2577		3433.2692	getting bad these-	3434.4944
2579		3435.1192	As you get older you don't	3436.2663
2581		3437.3854	enjoy that as well- as much as you used to.	3440.0945
2583		3440.7788	Um,	3441.3244
2585		3441.6347	<ts>	3441.7164
2587		3442.9797	another- let me see, another southern tradition we do,	3445.7821
2589		3447.2078	Mm.	3448.4248
2591		3458.0141	You know I didn't socialize that much in Oklahoma. I don't- I don't socialize that much in Valdosta either, but,	3462.7096
2593		3463.3764	uh,	3464.3836
2595		3464.5876	<clears throat>	3465.0959
2597		3465.6554	but I would have	3466.4435
2599		3466.8958	a couple of relatives over and	3468.4858
2601		3469.1107	we'd probab-	3469.7312
2603		3469.9348	fix us some good old pig feet and	3471.5109
2605		3472.2849	you know, have a	3473.1616
2607		3473.4413	good little	3474.0755
2609		3474.7236	dinner, or something together like that, that's	3476.7788
2611		3478.4621	some southern type food, fried chicken.	3481.0267
2613		3481.3158	Mm,	3481.5956
2615		3482.7368	good old, uh, potato salad. We do that every once in a while. Have a nice little dinner.	3486.8728
2616	VLD_int_01	3488.1363	Who taught you how to cook?	3489.0783
2617	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3489.7730	My grandmother.	3490.6590
2619		3491.5403	At age five I was right by her side on-	3493.9592
2621		3494.6493	trying to learn how to cook on the stove, so.	3496.7989
2623		3498.1371	Yep.	3498.3563
2624	VLD_int_01	3499.4602	Hm.	3499.7074
2626		3500.5653	What's your fondest memory?	3501.8803
2627	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3503.5542	Of what?	3504.0439
2628	VLD_int_01	3504.8913	With Grandma /RD-NAME-2/.	3505.6467
2629	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3509.0320	Oh,	3509.6988
2631		3510.8960	I must say when I took her to	3512.6166
2633		3513.4047	Biloxi,	3514.1321
2635		3515.8154	to gamble.	3516.6034
2637		3517.6980	It was so cute. I took her and the- the person that I was taking care of.	3521.3631
2639		3521.9646	And my other aunt, she went with us.	3523.6700
2641		3524.3741	They were so cute.	3525.2834
2643		3525.5212	They had their little quarters in these cups at that time, they-	3528.0345
2645		3528.7701	The quarters would come out the machine.	3530.3182
2647		3532.4151	And they put they money in and it-	3534.5055
2649		3534.9298	it	3535.1117
2651		3535.3110	ringing a little bit and they won some quarters.	3537.5259
2653		3538.1414	Oh, you'd thought they had won a million dollars. They were just so cute, I enjoyed that with her	3542.1970
2655		3542.6353	just to see her baby laughing, experience something-	3545.3724
2657		3546.4215	something new and different that	3548.0431
2659		3548.2249	she would never have experienced if	3550.5331
2661		3550.8222	you know, I wouldn't have taken her.	3551.9879
2662	VLD_int_01	3552.4250	How old were yo- How old was she?	3553.6607
2663	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3554.2156	Oh, she had to be	3555.9036
2665		3557.3118	at least	3558.4682
2667		3559.9591	about seventy-five.	3561.2694
2668	VLD_int_01	3561.8663	So this was like close to	3563.1252
2669	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3563.2185	[Yeah.]	3563.5309
2670	VLD_int_01	3563.4004	[before] she [died.]	3564.0578
2671	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3563.9832	[Mm-hm.]	3564.6081
2672		3565.4602	Seventy-five, seventy-	3568.3046
2674		3568.4678	Might've even been a little older.	3569.8014
2676		3571.1198	Yeah.	3571.4789
2678		3572.0198	Maybe eighty.	3572.6819
2680		3573.0316	Maybe she was about [eighty.]	3574.2206
2681	VLD_int_01	3573.8056	[Where was I?]	3574.2766
2682	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3575.4563	You were in college.	3576.5055
2683	VLD_int_01	3576.5195	Oh so she had to- No, it was like eighty.	3578.1270
2684	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3578.3974	Yeah, [maybe eighty], yeah.	3579.9269
2685	VLD_int_01	3578.9477	[/?/ eighty.]	3579.6285
2686	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3580.9387	Yeah, you were in college.	3582.1418
2688		3583.0499	But we got to do that.	3584.3835
2690		3585.0456	Cause yeah, /RD-NAME-2/ was still alive with Ms. /RD-NAME-2/.	3587.4283
2692		3587.9459	So we all went.	3588.7852
2694		3589.0732	And that's when I got that truck, so.	3590.8031
2696		3591.4093	We all went in the truck.	3592.3792
2697	VLD_int_01	3593.3630	Mm.	3594.0252
2698	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3596.7938	Mm-hm.	3597.4326
2699	VLD_int_01	3597.5772	Y'all stayed overnight?	3598.4864
2700	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3598.8268	Yep.	3599.1113
2702		3600.3329	We did.	3601.0464
2704		3604.9854	Sure did.	3606.0298
2705	VLD_int_01	3606.7386	Last question, if you could leave a piece of advice, what would that be?	3609.4513
2706	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3614.3182	Um,	3615.8896
2708		3619.8239	enjoy today for today,	3622.0714
2710		3623.0879	um,	3623.8573
2712		3626.1130	do what you can today	3627.4886
2714		3628.0714	and tomorrow will take care of itself.	3629.6848
2715	VLD_int_01	3633.1808	Why is that important?	3634.0947
2716	VLD_se0_ag4_f_01	3635.7267	Because I think so many times people get so wrapped up and caught on-	3639.3020
2718		3639.8243	caught up on things that,	3641.4565
2720		3643.9638	uh, are way off in- in- in the future that they-	3647.0926
2722		3647.4889	they're thinking that they need to do.	3649.1909
2724		3649.7726	that they let the whole day slip by, and don't even enjoy the day.	3653.0133
2726		3653.7594	They can't see beyond-	3655.1163
2728		3658.4491	they can't see today for what it is.	3660.5707
2730		3661.2364	Worried about,	3662.1130
2732		3663.2647	something probably they really ain't going to have no control over anyway,	3666.4308
2734		3667.1291	so.	3667.5488
2736		3668.7611	Make the best of it, do what you can.	3670.4211
2738		3671.3770	Things you can change, you do. And things you can't, you say a prayer and you keep going on. That's-	3675.7776
2740		3676.1833	that's it.	3676.6123