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1	VLD_int_01	0.1721	So now, gonna ask you just a	1.8965
3		2.0625	few questions. Um. [Can you] tell me a little bit about	5.2437
4	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3.9022	[Mm.]	4.1280
5	VLD_int_01	5.5356	kind of just your	6.3524
7		8.7379	like the very first	10.0662
9		10.2056	home and neighborhood that you remember.	11.9921
10	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	13.6384	Mm. I could remember	15.6706
12		16.0359	my first home	17.3924
14		18.7292	back in	19.2794
16		19.4099	probably nineteen sixty.	21.3497
18		21.5222	Three years old, and I can remember	23.9656
20		24.8295	my brother was born in sixty-one. That's why I can remember.	27.4731
22		27.5617	Nineteen Sixty. (laughing) Cause I can remember my mama was pregnant.	30.6550
24		31.1840	And we lived on Dampier Street, which is uh, off of highway thirty-one.	35.4424
25	VLD_int_01	36.5877	Where it- mm-mm.	37.5529
27		37.7487	<ts>	37.8933
29		37.9819	[So where's] that?	38.7046
30	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	38.0192	[That's.]	38.3969
31		39.1010	Near- going to the old airp- going to- toward airport.	42.3930
32	VLD_int_01	42.3930	By the airpo- okay.	42.9725
33	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	43.0937	Mm-hm.	43.5180
34	VLD_int_01	44.0076	Um, so tell me about the house. Was it a big house, little house?	46.9370
35	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	47.7996	There was probably like	48.9560
37		49.3524	the traditional	50.6347
39		50.9704	three m-	51.6035
41		51.9952	what they called shotgun houses back then.	54.8398
43		55.3493	About three rooms.	56.3891
45		56.6270	[Mm-hm.]	56.9300
46	VLD_int_01	56.6270	[About] three rooms, [and it's] you, your mom.	58.8643
47	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	57.4747	[Mm.]	57.7545
48		59.2233	My brother,	59.9694
50		60.0906	and my dad.	60.8549
51	VLD_int_01	61.4382	Said this is you- how many brothers do you have?	63.5163
52	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	64.2717	I	64.9245
54		65.0550	had	65.3908
56		65.5353	t- two brothers,	66.7290
58		66.8409	and one sister.	67.7455
59	VLD_int_01	67.9880	Okay, so but this was- there was only	69.3624
60	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	69.6375	There [was only.]	70.3043
61	VLD_int_01	69.8707	[two of y'all] at the [time.]	70.9991
62	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	70.7706	[Right. Mm-hm.]	71.5726
63	VLD_int_01	71.4001	[Okay.]	71.7591
64	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	71.9643	[Mm-hm.]	72.2860
65	VLD_int_01	72.4073	Are you the oldest, or second?	73.4518
66	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	73.7549	Oldest.	74.3086
67	VLD_int_01	74.7562	Oh, so you're the big brother.	75.8007
68	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	75.8567	Mm-hm.	76.1924
69	VLD_int_01	76.2530	And so then, you guys moved here. Was-	78.1881
71		78.3094	did you guys move to this place because it was bigger? Or.	81.1992
72	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	81.8473	Mm <ts>	82.2996
74		82.4675	No, I think it was just	83.6472
76		85.7875	availability, I guess, would be the	87.6935
77	VLD_int_01	88.2157	There you go.	88.6670
78	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	88.9664	right word to say, at the time. (laughing)	90.8316
80		91.1580	And a-	91.4005
82		91.5357	availability and affordability, [right, affordability.]	94.0415
83	VLD_int_01	93.0017	[Affordability.] That's [probably the-]	94.9414
84	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	94.4611	[Yeah.]	94.7083
85		95.1046	[Yeah.]	95.3704
86	VLD_int_01	95.1046	[the- the]	95.8460
87	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	95.6409	[Mm.]	95.8553
88	VLD_int_01	95.9393	the more appropriate word [there.]	97.3521
89	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	96.8371	[Ri-]	97.2264
90		97.4748	Mm-hm.	97.7998
91	VLD_int_01	97.9397	Um.	98.6717
93		99.1555	And then, tell me about the neighborhood. Was it a good neighborhood?	101.8087
94	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	103.0584	Um.	103.6552
96		104.0796	Yeah.	104.5272
98		104.6111	Course, I mean,	105.3327
100		105.6451	when I grew up in the s-	107.2492
102		107.6269	sixties, I mean	108.8485
104		109.6366	all neighborhoods was good because	111.2954
106		112.0508	children were disciplined back then. [<laugh>]	114.9558
107	VLD_int_01	113.8227	[<laugh>]	114.0559
109		114.5781	[It also] makes a [difference.]	116.1308
110	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	115.8557	[Yeah.]	116.1308
111	VLD_int_01	116.9457	Um.	117.6218
113		118.3166	And so then,	119.2725
115		120.1631	when you moved there, you were how old?	121.7345
116	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	122.4806	I was	123.0017
118		123.1462	f- I'll say three.	124.7083
119	VLD_int_01	124.8109	Three?	125.1326
120	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	125.2725	Mm-hm.	125.5243
121	VLD_int_01	125.5523	And then, how long did y'all stay in that house?	127.0630
122	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	127.5666	We stayed there probably	129.4679
124		130.6616	<ts>	130.9134
126		131.0533	until I was about	131.9346
128		133.4920	six maybe.	135.1042
129	VLD_int_01	135.5332	And then where'd y'all go?	136.2466
130	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	137.2025	We moved to	138.4009
132		139.0257	uh,	139.5480
134		140.3407	Twin li-	140.8618
136		141.0949	Twin Lakes.	141.8923
138		142.0928	Cause we lived with my grandmother for a while.	144.0046
140		144.2330	My mom.	144.6620
141	VLD_int_01	145.2169	So,	146.3966
143		146.4759	out by	147.0017
145		147.2301	Clyattville?	147.9855
146	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	148.0508	Right. [Mm-hm.]	148.8668
147	VLD_int_01	148.4705	[Okay.]	148.8668
148	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	149.0254	No, out by	149.9393
150		150.8905	Twin Lakes is before you get to Lake Park.	153.0809
152		153.2721	[On.]	153.5006
153	VLD_int_01	153.2721	[The] other. Oh, I'm going the other [way. Okay.]	154.8861
154	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	154.2700	[Yeah.]	154.5824
156		154.7875	[Mm.]	155.0673
157	VLD_int_01	155.0567	[So you was] that way.	155.8087
158	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	155.2305	[Yeah.]	155.5010
159		155.9113	Forty one south.	156.8346
160	VLD_int_01	156.8346	Mm-hm.	157.2635
161	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	157.2635	Mm-hm.	157.7578
162	VLD_int_01	157.9350	Um, and how long'd y'all stay there?	159.3607
163	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	160.2933	We stayed there at her house probably about	162.2657
165		162.5175	<ts>	162.6714
167		162.8905	s-	163.8557
169		164.1402	I say eight.	165.4913
170	VLD_int_01	165.9855	And then where'd y'all	166.7129
172		167.0673	move to?	167.6502
173	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	167.8227	We moved um,	169.0024
175		169.2542	um,	169.9770
177		171.8969	<ts>	172.0042
179		172.8901	/unintelligible/	174.0745
181		174.2330	It's in Little Miami.	175.3055
183		175.4454	Donald- Donald street.	176.9662
185		178.8385	Donald Street is off of Statenville.	180.7689
187		181.0907	You know Statenville Hi-	182.1864
189		182.3123	Road [is?]	183.0164
190	VLD_int_01	182.9138	[Mm-hm.]	183.2449
191	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	183.7019	It's the street adjacent to Statenville Road. If you going down Statenville Road before you get to uh,	188.7693
193		189.2873	the interstate /??/, there's a little street to the right.	191.8537
195		192.4553	It's called Donald Street.	193.7702
196	VLD_int_01	193.8355	And why was that called Little Miami?	195.2530
197	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	195.9606	Cause most of the	196.8792
199		197.0471	uh,	197.3268
201		197.4154	people that	198.0216
203		198.1708	lived in that neighborhood during the um,	200.1852
205		200.5675	sixties, a lot of 'em	201.8487
207		202.5015	<ts> went south when it was fruit season.	205.0195
208	VLD_int_01	205.9008	Oh.	206.1759
209	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	206.3197	And, uh, they would go there	207.6715
211		207.9513	for the fruit season and um,	209.3781
213		209.4900	pick fruits.	210.3340
215		210.8656	So that's why it became the name Little Miami, because of a lot of	213.7688
217		214.5575	[people would /?/-]	215.2888
218	VLD_int_01	214.8559	[Was it a lot] of kids in the neighborhood?	216.2408
219	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	216.7117	Yeah, a lot of kids.	217.8774
221		218.1059	[Mm-hm.]	218.4370
222	VLD_int_01	218.2178	[So,]	218.8054
223		218.9033	were you- did you play outside a lot? Did you.	221.0331
224	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	221.2522	Yeah, uh.	221.6765
226		221.9050	That's the only time you could play. You never played in the house.	224.4836
228		224.7774	[<laugh>]	225.8767
229	VLD_int_01	224.9161	[<laugh>]	225.8767
230		226.5575	So, what'd y'all do while y'all were outside? Like what games did y'all play?	229.4438
231	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	229.8868	Just uh, you-	231.3370
233		231.4600	the boys would wrestle,	233.2692
235		233.5116	uh, if you did a combination of boys and girls, you would	236.5285
237		236.6498	play uh, like	237.6336
239		237.7316	hide and go seek.	238.9428
241		239.5536	Or the	239.8893
243		240.4629	guys would shoot marbles.	242.0576
245		242.1555	Or you would um,	243.2653
247		243.6803	<ts>	243.7642
249		243.9076	create little, um,	245.3298
251		245.7308	sticks like cowboy and Indian [games, or.]	248.3933
252	VLD_int_01	247.5120	[Mm-hm. Mm-hm.]	248.3933
253	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	248.7897	You would play, um	250.0475
255		250.5278	<ts>	250.6490
257		251.4697	even boys jump rope	252.9711
259		253.3768	competition with the girls. Or you play	255.4798
261		255.9029	or you can hopscotch, you know, with the little glass, and you draw your little squares out and you just toss the glass and	261.2256
263		261.7141	play hopscotch and just	263.1409
265		263.6305	if you was	264.2693
267		264.6517	if you had a	265.2812
269		265.3884	few dollars uh, a	266.1345
271		266.2884	few s-	266.6334
273		266.7780	few pennies.	267.5648
275		267.9192	You would get you some jackstone.	269.5373
276	VLD_int_01	269.7378	[<laugh>]	271.1506
277	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	269.9756	[You know. (laughing)]	270.8569
278	VLD_int_01	271.9806	Did you jump rope?	272.6381
279	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	273.2070	Yeah.	273.4949
280	VLD_int_01	273.7560	Were you good?	274.3575
281	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	274.7912	I was decent, yeah.	275.9103
282	VLD_int_01	277.6356	So, that means you weren't that great.	278.7407
283	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	279.6348	I m- I co-	280.2083
285		280.4042	they would choose me to play, so [I guess I. <laugh>]	283.7754
286	VLD_int_01	281.9802	[Oh, okay. So you were alright, you were great.]	283.7754
287		284.3863	So, then, okay, so tell me about your siblings.	286.3529
288	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	287.2155	<ts>	287.3507
290		288.0688	My, uh, brother that's next to-	290.4469
292		290.8759	next to me,	291.6954
294		291.8353	uh, he's four years	293.2295
296		293.6305	younger	293.9709
298		294.2507	four years younger than me.	295.3325
300		296.0692	And I have a	296.4469
302		296.5168	I have a sister that's um,	298.0591
304		299.1549	two years	299.8853
306		300.0812	younger than me. But, my sister was	301.6852
308		301.8018	raised by my grandmother. By her grandmother.	304.1192
309	VLD_int_01	304.1192	Okay.	304.4456
310	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	304.4876	Okay.	305.0087
312		305.9133	Uh, and I have a baby brother who's seven years	308.5712
314		308.9628	younger than I am.	309.9654
316		310.7907	Um.	311.3351
318		311.6056	My youngest brother, he-	312.8226
320		313.4567	he's um	314.3054
322		314.8369	<ts>	314.9302
324		315.0608	he lives now in, Augusta.	316.9481
326		317.1206	He retired military out the Air Force about	319.7551
328		319.9184	twenty eight years I think.	321.1354
330		321.2193	Now he works for the government.	322.6088
331	VLD_int_01	324.2723	And so, all of y'all played together even though with the age difference? Or did.	327.8162
332	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	328.1612	Yeah, for s- the kids, no, you-	329.9599
334		330.2630	I mean, kids played	331.3308
336		331.4754	uh, in segments, you know, like you had	333.4245
338		334.1565	uh,	334.5202
340		335.6195	uh,	335.9926
342		336.1091	uh, I just take a range from like ten and under, like you have a ten year old,	339.8628
344		340.3664	you gonna play with the eight to ten, and then you have the, younger. Kids mostly just	344.2774
346		344.9209	pl- they had- back then, you had	346.3058
348		347.0040	the families that would always	348.6267
350		349.0277	ha- all families had a lot of kids pretty much. Any where from	352.1565
352		352.8781	least three to four.	353.7967
354		354.0159	unlike today where you might have one or two.	356.1328
356		356.5385	So, there was always kids around. And they- mostly kids just play. Teenagers play with teenagers and	361.6059
358		362.5432	children ten and under played among themselves.	364.8405
360		365.1343	[Mm-hm.]	365.4234
361	VLD_int_01	365.3395	[So,] let's talk about school then.	367.5450
362	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	367.6196	Mm-hm.	368.0999
363	VLD_int_01	368.2025	Um, because since you knew a lot of kids in that group, which school did you go to when you were younger?	372.3140
364	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	373.8714	I originally	374.7993
366		375.0873	um,	375.6562
368		376.0712	I started out going to	377.1996
370		377.8850	to county's	378.6124
372		378.8876	going to um,	379.8947
374		380.5913	<ts>	380.7032
376		380.8437	county school when I was [five years old.]	382.8336
377	VLD_int_01	381.8590	[So sorry.]	382.8336
378		383.2579	[Sorry] that that [happened to] you.	384.4423
379	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	383.2766	[Yeah.]	383.5657
381		383.9620	[Yeah.]	384.2324
382		384.5262	<laugh>	384.7547
384		385.2163	I was going to county school when I was a	386.9649
386		387.2587	like five year old.	388.3160
388		388.8336	So, they would let me- they would let me go to	390.5262
390		391.0205	to scho- county school.	392.3074
392		392.9929	And then we m-	393.6259
394		393.7005	um.	394.2461
396		394.5212	<ts>	394.6191
398		394.9688	Transitioned back	395.8268
400		396.0366	to the city,	396.8526
402		397.7339	I couldn't go to	398.4613
404		398.5686	um,	399.1747
406		399.8777	in	400.1668
408		400.2367	for a-	400.5491
410		400.7636	I had to sit out a year.	402.0180
412		403.0065	So, I couldn't go to	403.9344
414		404.1909	first grade and I end up	405.3554
416		406.0316	I went	406.4559
418		408.1672	when I was five, I was able to go to	409.8225
420		410.3681	I was is the first grade.	411.4440
422		411.5233	But then, when I come to the city, they wouldn't let me [go to the (laughing)]	414.2511
423	VLD_int_01	413.6403	[To the first grade. Mm-hm.]	414.9925
424	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	414.5962	[Right.] So, I was uh, even though I could do the	416.3960
425		416.5079	class work,	417.2120
427		417.3240	they say by definition, in city school, you had to be six.	420.2651
429		420.7780	So, I went to	421.5567
431		421.7899	I stayed, I-	423.0209
433		423.5839	end up staying in	424.6191
435		424.7683	the first grade	425.6169
437		426.0646	for a year.	426.5542
439		427.0158	When I really should have been in the second by definition.	429.5771
441		429.6796	Yeah.	429.9687
443		430.0900	[Mm-hm.]	430.4071
444	VLD_int_01	430.3325	[So] which school was- which- when you came back to the city, where did [you.]	433.3575
445	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	433.1990	[I] went to school at um,	434.7611
446		434.8450	South	435.4092
448		435.6377	uh, South Street Elementary School.	437.8934
450		437.9773	Which is on uh,	438.9472
452		439.0265	South Street. On the	440.4440
454		440.5279	uh, south side of town. That was the only	443.2091
456		443.9540	elementary school	445.1943
458		445.9544	in d-	446.4347
460		446.6585	Valdosta.	447.2693
462		447.4325	On the south side of town.	448.7848
463	VLD_int_01	449.3490	Okay.	449.8048
464	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	449.9633	[Mm.]	450.1592
465	VLD_int_01	450.0845	[And] then,	450.8772
466		450.9892	um, how was it? How was school?	452.8263
468		452.9243	How- was it	453.5537
470		453.6843	good? Did you feel like you were getting a good education?	455.7114
471	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	456.0518	Uh, f-	456.5973
473		457.2035	Yeah.	457.5206
475		457.6698	I did cause I- I mean ks- cause my education started at home.	460.7695
477		461.7907	My mom home-	462.6253
479		462.7792	well sh-	463.0496
481		463.6651	back then she didn't	464.5791
483		464.7796	we didn't call it home school.	466.1027
484	VLD_int_01	466.1027	Right.	466.3778
485	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	466.8721	But, I was-	467.4223
487		467.9912	before I was um,	469.1615
489		469.9962	even started going to school, my mama would sit down with me and	472.7876
491		473.0394	would go with different	474.0186
493		474.2751	I was mandated to have to read.	475.8605
495		476.5506	And I would have to um,	478.0707
497		479.2306	explain to her what I read,	480.8393
499		480.9512	uh,	481.3895
501		481.6133	and every morning when I wou-	482.6905
503		482.8117	went to start going to school	484.2758
505		485.0161	before I went to school every morning, my mama would go	487.3382
507		487.8838	over my school work with me.	489.3358
509		489.4011	Every subject.	490.1937
511		491.5227	Then, bef-	492.0904
513		492.2349	when I came home from school,	493.5406
515		493.7504	my mom would sit down with me before I was even allowed to go outside to play, I had to go over all my subjects again.	499.1347
517		499.2328	So,	499.5499
519		500.0675	I	500.3845
521		500.7949	we-	500.9861
523		501.0700	from my mom's standpoint, I had a	502.7486
525		502.8932	uh,	503.0937
527		503.1776	great opportunity.	504.3049
529		504.3748	You know, [for schooling.]	505.4053
530	VLD_int_01	504.5613	[Right]	504.7199
532		504.8455	[Cause she] really	505.6665
533	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	505.7504	[Yeah. She.]	506.3332
534	VLD_int_01	505.8483	[helped.]	506.0908
535	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	506.5990	That was her m-	507.1632
537		507.7368	that was one of the things that she promoted.	509.5833
539		510.1697	S- school.	510.8598
541		511.1069	I mean, that,	511.5033
543		511.6292	school before anything.	513.0140
544	VLD_int_01	513.2658	So, you went to South Street, then where'd you go? So, how	515.5861
546		515.7354	how long- how [many grades was that?]	517.7218
547	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	516.8171	[I went from.]	517.4700
548		517.8756	I went f- um, to the fifth grade.	519.8434
549	VLD_int_01	520.0579	[Okay.]	520.4356
550	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	520.2257	[And] in the sixth grade,	521.3204
551		521.5676	I went to um,	522.7141
553		522.9333	they built a new	523.7265
555		523.8431	school on the	524.7291
557		524.9622	the south s-	525.6343
559		525.9420	south side of town, which is called South East Elementary School.	529.2940
561		530.5673	They built that school in ni- nineteen sixty nine, I think it was.	534.4457
562	VLD_int_01	534.4737	So, you went there?	535.1592
563	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	535.2757	I went there for my sixth grade year.	537.5153
564	VLD_int_01	538.3313	And then?	538.9515
565	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	538.9515	Then I went	539.8829
566		539.9995	my seventh grade year, I started at	542.2301
568		542.7710	Valosta M-	543.3259
570		543.4658	um, Junior High, they called it then, but now they call it Valdosta Middle School. And that's when the integration started.	548.6684
572		548.9435	When I was in the seventh grade.	550.6828
573	VLD_int_01	551.1537	Did it s-	551.6294
575		551.7868	so.	552.3043
577		553.8384	Okay.	554.2394
579		555.2699	So, what- what happened whe- at that time?	556.8693
581		557.2517	The integration?	557.9837
582	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	558.3556	That's when, uh,	559.1157
584		559.9224	um,	560.3700
586		561.3399	black and white	562.0762
588		562.6077	start, they integrated the Valdosta City School system, where blacks and whites was going to the same school.	567.6672
589	VLD_int_01	567.9144	Was it.	568.3434
591		569.3692	How was it?	569.9545
593		570.5000	I mean, did you	571.2321
595		571.3673	notice anything? As like- I mean you were still like	573.2278
597		573.4330	relatively young, but [like.]	574.4682
598	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	574.2537	[I] was eleven years old.	575.5360
599	VLD_int_01	575.6852	So you were old enough to understand. Did it-	577.4559
601		577.8663	was there any feelings? Like, was it	579.3124
603		579.5362	tension?	580.1622
604	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	580.5865	Well, I mean sometimes it was like	582.3666
606		582.6837	tension, because it was like	583.9380
608		584.1525	cultures. You know, you don't really know another person culture until you really	587.4352
610		588.1428	understand they culture, or try to understand it, you know, it's always confusion, you know.	592.1296
612		592.2181	But, uh,	592.6425
614		592.9829	by most part, I mean it was	594.4225
616		594.5624	it was civil, you know.	595.8121
617	VLD_int_01	596.5302	<ts> How um,	597.6586
619		598.2974	how were the	599.7196
621		601.2572	wait. Wait. Let me back up. So, this was the first time, so when you went to South Street and South East,	605.8946
622	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	605.8946	It [was all]	606.4401
623	VLD_int_01	606.1697	[that was] all black?	606.9852
624	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	606.9852	black.	607.2510
625		607.3396	Right. Mm-hm.	607.8758
626	VLD_int_01	607.8758	And then, when you go to junior high,	610.5284
627	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	610.6403	Mm-hm.	610.9527
628	VLD_int_01	610.9527	that's when	611.6148
630		612.3656	that's when they integrated the school, so then [there were] white students?	614.9310
631	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	613.7792	[Right.]	614.0916
632	VLD_int_01	615.2527	Did you find that the quality of the school was different?	618.1398
633	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	619.7033	[Mm.]	620.4680
634	VLD_int_01	619.7033	[But, the materials] the access that you had to things. Was it better now that y'all were integrated? Or was it	624.4405
635		624.5626	about the same?	625.2582
636	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	625.4169	<ts>	625.5206
638		627.3826	Be honest with you,	628.3895
640		628.8594	I couldn't tell a difference. Cause a- again, [uh (laughing)], my impact was	632.9994
641	VLD_int_01	630.9265	[Hm.]	631.2865
642	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	633.3228	[I think-] was home. [You know.] So.	635.2432
643	VLD_int_01	633.3228	[Home.]	633.7377
645		634.4489	[Mm-hm.]	634.8577
646		635.8689	And then, you went there for	637.4554
648		637.9985	what grades is that? Seven and eight.	639.3959
649	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	639.5118	Seventh and eighth grade.	640.6763
650	VLD_int_01	640.8777	And then high school.	642.0920
651	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	642.2141	Then, no.	643.0012
652	VLD_int_01	643.2148	Mm-mm.	643.4711
653	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	643.4711	There was um,	644.1851
654		645.3190	at Pinevale,	646.3808
656		647.1910	School	647.7646
658		648.4420	they use that as a	649.6014
660		650.1079	ninth grade	650.8279
662		650.9439	for all kids.	651.8715
664		652.6159	So, [you.]	653.2383
665	VLD_int_01	653.0370	[Black] and white?	653.6045
666	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	653.7265	Black and white.	654.4893
668		654.6784	So, all bl-	655.3455
670		655.4493	black and white kids only went to junior high for two years.	658.1830
672		658.6712	And then, a-	659.1655
674		659.2936	for the ninth grade, only	660.8414
676		661.5859	all kids went to	662.4768
678		662.6782	went to Pinevale High School	664.0658
680		664.8068	before they moved over to the	666.6436
682		667.0036	Valdosta High School for tenth, eleventh and twelfth grade.	669.5015
683	VLD_int_01	669.9713	Okay. So, how was	670.7579
685		671.1729	Pi- I've never-	672.3628
687		672.5153	that's interesting. How was Pinevale when it was	674.4997
689		674.6706	just ninth grade?	675.7507
690	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	676.3853	It was-	676.9406
692		677.2335	it was good. Cause I think it-	678.6059
694		678.6852	it- it helped because you don't	680.4034
696		680.7390	get	681.0535
698		681.1599	kids	681.5531
700		681.6629	come down right be- from a junior high setting	684.1970
702		684.2763	to a high school settings. It was like transition	687.0173
704		687.3854	of getting to	688.1176
706		689.3014	I guess grow up a little bit.	690.5951
708		690.7171	You know [the]	691.2637
709	VLD_int_01	691.0903	[<laugh>]	692.4048
710	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	691.3980	[you know. <laugh>]	692.4048
711		692.5025	Before you e- get the full thrust of, you know,	694.7664
713		695.2352	m- mingling with older kids. You actually get the chance to, you know,	698.5387
715		699.1602	build some	699.8506
717		700.2534	I guess some nerves. Or I mean get s- get a better foundation. Get some grips on yourself	704.5233
719		704.6209	instead of just getting	705.5546
721		705.8293	thrust in. Cause	706.6775
723		707.6051	I guess when you look at it, when yo- when kids sometime get go from	711.0109
725		711.6577	from one- from junior high then thrust in with the kids from ninth to twelfth grade, that's a big jump.	716.8082
727		716.9608	You know.	717.3452
729		717.8578	A big jump, so.	719.0111
730	VLD_int_01	719.7922	Um.	720.2987
732		720.4817	So, was it- every- y'all did-	721.8750
734		722.0270	did y'all do like everything that you would do in high school but just,	724.0989
736		724.2271	just	724.5383
738		724.7152	in ninth grade?	725.5390
739	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	725.6305	Right. Just ninth grade classes	727.3330
741		727.4734	only. I mean, we had our own football team, I mean, our own football, I mean with ninth grade football, basketball	732.8576
743		733.3217	everything would have been just like you was at the high school, but it was just like the ninth grades.	736.9586
744	VLD_int_01	737.2149	So, who'd y'all play against?	738.5759
745	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	738.6430	We'd play against other schools at uh,	740.7517
747		741.4927	other high school teams.	742.7150
749		743.1170	I mea- cause every school back then had ninth grades.	746.0704
750	VLD_int_01	746.2962	The ninth grade- [Ah.]	747.3253
751	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	746.9714	[That they] mighta not have been	748.1834
752		748.9008	as separated as we were in Val- at Valdosta school system, but they still had ninth grades.	753.8936
753	VLD_int_01	754.1987	Oh, okay.	755.0044
754	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	755.1570	[Yeah.]	755.4499
755	VLD_int_01	755.1631	[Cause] I was like who y'all playing [against?]	756.9296
756	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	756.5513	[Yeah.]	756.9296
757		757.0272	[Mm-hm.]	757.4788
758	VLD_int_01	757.0272	[Okay.]	757.4788
759		757.9093	So,	758.4341
761		758.9772	did you play any sports?	760.0146
762	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	760.2770	Yeah, I played basketball in the ninth grade.	762.3334
763	VLD_int_01	762.3517	Oh, what position?	763.2426
764	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	764.0020	I played guard.	765.0638
766		765.2530	Mm-hm.	765.6740
767	VLD_int_01	765.7350	Shooting or point?	766.5832
768	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	766.8883	Shooting guard.	767.6999
769	VLD_int_01	768.0973	Were you good?	768.7197
770	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	769.0248	I was decent.	769.7571
772		769.8547	I [started.]	770.5198
773	VLD_int_01	770.4527	[Like] jump rope decent?	771.5450
774		771.6670	[<laugh>]	773.4916
775	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	771.7403	[Yeah.]	772.0942
777		772.2589	[Mm-mm.]	772.6861
779		772.9241	[I started.]	773.7203
780	VLD_int_01	774.0804	Oh, yeah, you were pretty [good.]	775.4489
781	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	775.2963	[Mm-hm.]	775.7113
782	VLD_int_01	775.9127	Okay, so then how did you- what happened when you transitioned to	778.7257
784		779.1453	the big	779.5908
786		779.7311	s- high school?	780.5854
787	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	781.2139	Uh.	781.7936
789		781.8913	Ninth or tenth grade, I	783.3739
791		783.4593	transitioned, and I- I didn't play sports anymore cause I w- I wanted	787.4745
793		787.8330	I was always ambitious and wanted	789.4135
795		789.5966	a car	790.1153
797		791.0791	[So.]	791.4575
798	VLD_int_01	791.2012	[Oh. So,] you wanted to [work?]	792.2813
799	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	792.0006	[I wanted] to work. So,	793.3491
800		794.2645	my cousin	795.1798
802		795.8127	<ts>	795.9054
804		796.0036	uh,	796.5313
806		797.2269	mom used to pick us up	798.4962
808		799.0149	and we	799.6190
810		799.8143	uh, befriended a	801.1140
812		801.6022	<ts>	801.7242
814		802.2063	young- I- uh, I call her young lady. Still call her old la- young lady Ms. /RD-NAME-2/.	806.1839
816		807.2048	And Ms. /RD-NAME-2/ was like,	808.3696
818		808.6075	uh, she was a	809.3997
820		809.5766	k- over the custodians at the	811.4866
822		811.9382	school system.	812.9877
824		813.2906	So, my family knew her.	814.6575
826		815.4141	So, Ms. /RD-NAME-2/ gave me and my cousin a job after school.	818.5351
828		818.6388	We was in the tenth grade, we would go after school and uh, work	821.8485
830		822.0194	Monday through Friday. And I was able to actually, save money	825.1871
832		825.5838	toward getting a car.	826.5052
833	VLD_int_01	827.2397	How long did it take you to save to get your car?	828.8127
834	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	829.9904	It didn't take long because during the summertime,	832.6692
836		833.0648	in those days,	834.0473
838		834.3341	you had to go	835.1945
840		835.4203	out in the fields	836.3376
842		836.5084	if you wanted	837.1430
844		837.5031	income. I mean, we don't-	839.0042
846		839.3886	no such thing as what kids now an al-	841.4148
848		841.5857	an allowance.	842.4766
850		843.0136	You had to make your allowance by working. So, during the summer,	845.9853
852		846.5345	I would go crop tobacco and save money.	848.8032
854		849.6697	And I would even go buy my school clothes in the tenth grade.	852.3785
856		852.7264	That just something that	853.5318
858		853.9163	I just shifted it	854.6973
860		855.2282	and took control of myself.	856.6012
861	VLD_int_01	858.0596	So, how young were you when you started	860.6223
863		861.5559	doing tobacco in the fields ?	863.1207
864	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	863.2427	Probably into- now, working tobacco, that was tradition	866.3670
866		866.7148	f-	866.8064
868		867.0077	for most black kids	868.3380
870		868.9463	doin-	869.2270
872		869.3551	in my age.	870.1057
874		870.2338	Probably start working the 'bacca when you was probably about in	872.6930
876		872.8517	um, about ten years old, I mean, you do some form of work. You know, you go	876.9711
878		877.4105	to field ac- uh.	878.9106
880		879.3683	Pick peaches, uh, you would go pick beans, it was always something	883.4674
882		883.9556	that we just	884.6207
884		884.8221	as kids would go out and do in order to have our own income or just have spending money cause mama	889.8023
886		890.2844	during those days just didn't have money to t- to just ha-	892.9586
888		893.2088	give out to kids, you know. So we just	894.8930
890		895.2164	grew up with a work ethics I guess.	896.8656
891	VLD_int_01	897.3477	Oh, we don't have that today.	898.4766
892	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	898.5865	Mm-hm.	899.0746
893	VLD_int_01	899.3065	So,	899.8374
895		900.1974	so, you did that every summer?	901.6627
896	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	901.7603	Mm-hm.	902.1936
897	VLD_int_01	902.4559	And you-	902.9502
899		903.1150	now, how much money would you make?	904.5612
900	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	906.0009	Depend on what you was doing.	907.4410
902		907.6912	Like, uh,	908.6004
904		909.8270	if you like worked at the barn	911.5051
906		912.0163	which, I started working tobacco when I was about seven,	914.7941
908		914.9196	eight. Cause my	915.6396
910		915.7556	um,	916.2681
912		916.7746	<ts>	916.8539
914		917.5801	It's	917.9882
916		918.2201	Ms. uh, /RD-NAME-3/	919.4711
918		920.3376	uh,	920.6942
920		920.8223	in what we call Little Miami,	922.7003
922		923.4203	<ts>	923.5241
924		924.1038	which is my stepfather's uh	926.0443
926		926.1819	mom	926.7555
928		927.7991	they would,	928.3300
930		928.7754	I guess, she would call it,	929.8189
932		930.3742	they	930.6488
934		930.7952	they called it the hauling hands.	932.6709
936		933.0797	That's what they called it.	934.1049
938		934.2758	Uh.	934.4283
940		934.6175	People in the neighborhood.	935.6854
941	VLD_int_01	935.6854	Mm-hm.	936.0836
942	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	936.1263	Like, farmers and all, they would hire	937.8930
944		938.2164	uh, someone like /beacon/	939.6077
946		939.8640	uh i-	940.3927
948		940.6124	be the, I guess, um	942.3393
950		942.7360	<ts>	942.8275
952		943.6998	just like now with the Hispanics,	945.3779
954		945.6525	you have someone that's actually the lead person,	948.4173
955	VLD_int_01	948.5943	Mm-hm.	948.8933
956	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	948.9238	and then they h-	949.4425
958		949.5584	the lead person bring other people in to do the work. Migrant work.	952.9815
960		953.2439	That's wha-	953.5307
962		953.6405	I mean, we was the extension of doing the migrant work during that time. What the Hispanics do now.	958.6485
964		959.3075	So, she would- the people in the neighborhood that wanted to work,	961.9093
966		962.4341	they would be	963.1724
968		963.5874	more or less up under her umbrella.	965.2106
969	VLD_int_01	965.2815	Mm-hm.	965.7392
970	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	965.7392	And she would make sure that that	967.1610
971		967.3379	we would	967.7651
973		967.8688	get the w-	968.2960
975		968.4363	the g- the guy would supply the transportation. That he would give them a truck or whatever.	973.2945
977		973.6362	They get the hand- what they would call hands	975.3906
979		975.5126	back then. That's the main term they used.	977.3555
981		978.1915	To go out into the fields, or, in	980.2765
983		980.6365	like,	980.9050
985		981.2040	crop tobacco and	982.6136
987		982.7662	all that stuff, so I would actually work at the barn, or what they called where the-	985.9151
989		986.0554	where the tobacco is strung.	987.5627
991		987.9654	And hung up into the barn	989.4517
993		990.0253	before it's cooked.	991.0627
995		991.5021	So, I would-	991.9353
997		992.1367	was hired to pick up leaves and like	993.8577
999		993.9858	take off sticks, uh, like the	996.1209
1001		996.3406	like they was	996.7677
1003		997.4451	go in the field, crop the 'bacca, then they would have what they call	1000.2709
1005		1000.6065	handers	1001.4303
1007		1001.8758	and stringers. The handers were the person that handed the 'bacca to the person that was stringing it with a-	1006.5844
1009		1006.8834	on a stick.	1007.7682
1011		1008.1603	And once the stick is strung up	1009.8275
1013		1010.0649	enough 'bacca on the stick to take off, you would take- I would take that stick	1013.5743
1015		1014.0380	and take it and hand it to someone in the barn, and they would start at the top	1017.4847
1017		1017.6861	and they would hang it all the way from the top to the bottom.	1019.8570
1019		1020.2841	until that barn is filled.	1021.5656
1021		1021.6998	And once that barn was filled,	1023.2620
1023		1023.7705	then they would- l- light it with	1025.0581
1025		1025.1374	um,	1025.6500
1027		1026.3395	<ts> I guess kerosene back in those days. And cook the 'bacca.	1029.4702
1029		1029.6838	And once the 'bacca was cooked,	1031.2826
1031		1031.8073	then	1032.4175
1033		1032.4908	we would	1032.8935
1035		1033.5281	take the tobacco off the stick	1035.5063
1037		1036.0311	and put it in these big sheets	1037.9594
1039		1038.4048	and then it would go off to the warehouse to be sold.	1040.6700
1040	VLD_int_01	1041.3352	Now, how long did that whole process take to	1043.4428
1042		1043.6381	do from stringing it up to.	1045.7372
1043	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1045.9325	Well, the stinging part probably would take	1047.8579
1045		1048.8586	one day, cause you would, uh	1050.4757
1047		1050.6758	probably take y'all a day to fill a barn.	1052.6004
1049		1052.8177	Based on the size it was, you would, uh,	1055.2698
1051		1055.8373	And then they would let it cook	1057.2774
1053		1057.7453	according how-	1058.3148
1055		1059.1263	I would guess	1059.9074
1057		1060.1576	two or three days sometimes, cause they added-	1062.2767
1059		1062.3743	I guess,	1062.8930
1061		1063.1859	not like	1063.7290
1063		1064.5753	cook cook	1065.1672
1065		1065.2587	well, I guess you'd I guess	1066.3571
1067		1067.5714	had the heat on	1068.4745
1069		1068.6454	and you just cured it until all of the uh- And what they call was um, the had to cook it at a- at a rate so the tobacco stems	1075.5586
1071		1076.7791	which is like a-	1077.5605
1073		1077.7192	if you looking at	1078.3538
1075		1078.5430	uh,	1079.0983
1077		1079.2508	collared greens, you know, [the stems] is thicker than the leaves.	1081.9358
1078	VLD_int_01	1080.7024	[Mm-hm.]	1081.0104
1079	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1082.3459	They would have to cook it so	1083.6518
1081		1084.2193	that it wouldn't burn the leaves up	1085.9055
1083		1086.0397	but also would cook the te-	1087.3456
1085		1087.4798	stems where the wouldn't	1088.7146
1087		1088.8475	stay green.	1089.7498
1089		1090.0244	Because,	1090.5316
1091		1090.8245	if you took the	1091.8018
1093		1092.4721	tobacco,	1093.2227
1095		1093.5095	and they had green st- um, /thems/,	1095.6204
1097		1095.8278	stems on it,	1096.5960
1099		1096.7669	and mix, and mix it in the sheet, it would ruin the tobacco.	1099.8362
1101		1100.2573	So, that was a	1101.0994
1103		1101.3435	process they had to really watch.	1102.9668
1105		1103.4489	Mm-hm.	1103.8456
1106	VLD_int_01	1104.1995	I have never heard	1105.4051
1107	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1105.6187	Mm-hm.	1106.0336
1108	VLD_int_01	1106.2594	this.	1106.5889
1110		1106.6927	And so, [hw many] barns wha- like,	1108.1145
1111	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1106.9184	[Mm.]	1107.2053
1112	VLD_int_01	1108.5625	cause clearly, this- you have to have a lot of.	1110.2100
1113	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1111.1504	Yeah, you would. Cause	1112.0535
1115		1112.8799	um, most ge- most farmers,	1114.7170
1117		1115.5591	they would have mu- multiple barns, like, you know.	1118.0488
1119		1118.5008	Cause there were like,	1119.2387
1121		1119.8490	seven, eight barns, cause	1121.3501
1123		1121.5210	according to how long it took	1122.6621
1125		1122.7414	to tobacco to	1123.4200
1127		1123.5481	cure out because there's different levels of tobacco.	1126.3002
1129		1126.6907	When you first start,	1127.7281
1131		1128.6129	they call the- at the bottom of the stalk,	1130.8534
1133		1131.7504	they would	1132.1227
1135		1132.2752	uh.	1132.6108
1137		1133.6482	<ts> They would-	1134.1608
1139		1134.2828	you hafta	1134.9480
1141		1135.0822	crop that first.	1136.1826
1143		1137.4518	That's what they made cigars out of,	1139.1543
1145		1139.2641	by the [way.]	1139.9049
1146	VLD_int_01	1139.6181	[Oh.] Okay.	1140.2443
1147	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1140.3419	The- the	1140.7935
1149		1140.9095	first crop of tobacco, that's (laughing) what they made cigars out of.	1143.9300
1151		1144.7355	And you would crop that first. What they call sand lugs, that was the	1147.8084
1153		1147.9183	technical name for it.	1149.0166
1155		1149.3279	Sand lug.	1150.1162
1157		1150.2810	Cause it was so close to the ground, that [it was] hid in the sand.	1152.9293
1158	VLD_int_01	1151.7895	[Hm.]	1152.0950
1159		1153.2710	[Gotcha.]	1153.6433
1160	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1153.3870	[So they-] so you was lugging that	1154.9896
1161		1155.3496	off the stalks.	1156.3320
1163		1157.0033	So, you would crop that first, and then at-	1159.0704
1165		1159.2107	each week,	1160.0284
1167		1161.2783	uh,	1161.7360
1169		1162.1204	you would go back	1163.3393
1171		1163.5664	and as p- the weeks progressed, you would take the stalk-	1166.5625
1173		1166.7944	you would t-	1167.1605
1175		1167.5565	get more- more tobacco. All the way til it go to the top.	1170.6014
1177		1171.0896	And that's the	1171.6998
1179		1171.9683	process of cropping tobacco. Because it was	1174.0988
1181		1174.5443	at the bottom, that's where it got	1175.9783
1183		1176.2306	brown first, I mean, far as, bec-	1178.2748
1185		1178.5677	for us, it	1179.1657
1187		1179.3183	say ripe	1180.0909
1188	VLD_int_01	1180.3216	Mm-hm.	1180.6084
1189	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1180.6084	first.	1181.0600
1190		1181.4505	And then, as you start	1182.4940
1192		1182.8479	um,	1183.2446
1194		1183.6229	<ts> cropping tobacco off the stalk	1185.4108
1196		1185.8443	and it progressed up the next week.	1187.5285
1198		1187.8763	The next level would be ripe, and then	1189.7288
1200		1190.1803	just like	1190.6563
1202		1190.9919	/you-/	1191.4984
1204		1191.6570	pruning I guess.	1192.5480
1206		1192.9157	Go from one- one green t-	1194.4474
1208		1194.7841	so, that was the process of tobacco.	1196.4988
1209	VLD_int_01	1196.5964	And how long- how many. So, you said you started when you were about seven eight	1199.5620
1211		1199.6909	for the lady. But, ho- how did you do this all the way until you graduated?	1202.5040
1212	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1202.6688	No, I did it until I like, [say I-]	1204.5679
1213	VLD_int_01	1204.3726	[Got your] car?	1205.0255
1214	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1205.1781	got.	1205.4893
1216		1205.6052	No, I- I did it	1206.4749
1218		1206.5909	probably until I was about f- about fifteen.	1209.0683
1220		1209.4162	Mm-hm. Then, at fifteen, I started um	1211.6797
1222		1212.5157	<ts> working at the school,	1213.9192
1224		1214.2731	after [school]	1214.9748
1225	VLD_int_01	1214.8162	[After] school. But what'd you do in the summer?	1216.1780
1226	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1216.7516	In the summer, I got a job, um, at Strickland Cotton Mills.	1220.5036
1227	VLD_int_01	1220.8514	Oh.	1221.2724
1228	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1221.3640	Yeah. Strickland Cotton Mills. I start working there	1223.8414
1230		1224.5539	um,	1225.1458
1232		1226.1832	probably	1226.9276
1234		1227.5684	my junior year.	1228.3921
1236		1228.5983	And uh,	1229.4465
1238		1229.6906	Yeah. My junior year	1230.5597
1240		1231.2859	in Valdosta High School. I started working Strickland- I would go to Strickland Cotton Mills, I would	1235.8144
1242		1236.5467	work	1236.8274
1244		1237.0959	I would got to sch- wo- school all day long,	1239.2420
1246		1239.5288	I would get off	1240.3831
1248		1241.1093	and be a Strickland Cotton Mill at	1242.5809
1250		1242.6724	four o'clock	1243.5511
1252		1243.8501	and I would work a eight hour shift	1245.2706
1254		1247.1128	five or six days a week. At least, I would work	1249.6208
1256		1249.9612	sometime we had to work Saturdays,	1251.5355
1258		1252.1885	but at least, Monday through Friday, I would work	1254.2310
1260		1254.3652	eight hours.	1255.1402
1262		1255.7952	Just like an adult. You know.	1257.2048
1264		1257.9377	Uh.	1258.3954
1266		1258.7005	After school.	1259.4388
1267	VLD_int_01	1260.7761	Why did you work so much?	1262.2833
1268	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1262.7715	It was need, I met my-	1264.6631
1270		1264.8528	my mom	1266.1892
1272		1266.7201	um,	1267.2327
1274		1267.3059	to help her. Cause	1268.4600
1276		1269.4181	um,	1269.9978
1278		1270.3029	<ts> I just said, um,	1271.5599
1280		1271.9566	to help her, cause it really wasn't, I mean	1274.2301
1282		1275.0966	conducive	1275.7739
1284		1276.6681	sometime my dad wouldn't	1278.1326
1286		1278.4865	do what he's supposed [to do. You.] So, you know.	1280.7741
1287	VLD_int_01	1279.4051	[/unintelligible/]	1279.7171
1289		1279.9482	[Hm.]	1280.1435
1290	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1281.1639	And my mama had poured so much into me, you know, and I just had to	1284.3325
1292		1284.6865	do whatever I had to do [to help her.]	1286.3585
1293	VLD_int_01	1285.7360	[So it wasn't] just because you wanted to, it was really out of necessity at this [point.]	1288.7510
1294	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1288.5253	[It was] out of necessity.	1289.7701
1295	VLD_int_01	1289.8799	Okay.	1290.2278
1296	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1290.3925	Mm-hm.	1290.7769
1297	VLD_int_01	1290.7769	That makes sense now.	1291.6440
1298	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1291.7634	[Mm-hm.]	1292.0814
1299	VLD_int_01	1292.0052	[So,]	1292.5666
1300		1293.4739	Did you get the car?	1294.0292
1301	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1294.5235	Yeah.	1294.9201
1303		1295.0891	[Mm-hm.]	1295.4019
1304	VLD_int_01	1295.0910	[And when'd] you get the car?	1295.9941
1305	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1296.6164	I got the car in the summer	1299.3685
1307		1299.9354	right bet- fore I went to um,	1302.0956
1309		1304.1425	the tenth- eleventh grade.	1305.4545
1310	VLD_int_01	1305.9182	What kind of car did you get?	1306.7970
1311	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1307.2363	I bought a	1308.1708
1313		1308.3661	Cougar XL seven. It was black	1311.2036
1315		1311.4782	red stripes	1312.5944
1317		1312.7042	and it was um,	1313.8598
1319		1314.0306	<ts> because it was a-	1315.1716
1321		1315.2753	it was automatic, but this gear shift was in the floor.	1318.0172
1322	VLD_int_01	1319.1033	And how-	1320.4336
1324		1321.4561	how m- how much was it?	1322.7924
1325	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1323.9640	It probably	1324.6963
1327		1327.2499	probably about fifteen hundred. Uh. I'd say fift-	1329.4267
1329		1329.5285	maybe fifteen hundred dollars and I just paid	1331.6581
1331		1332.1464	I had a down payment and it	1333.6170
1333		1333.7085	and	1334.0076
1335		1334.2455	when I worked during the week,	1335.6978
1337		1336.1555	every week, I would just	1337.1568
1339		1337.6511	go to the car lot and	1338.7861
1341		1339.0912	pay the guy.	1339.6526
1342	VLD_int_01	1341.5946	Brand new?	1342.2170
1343	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1343.1811	Uh, n- it was I mean- that year was seventy	1347.3937
1345		1348.8953	two.	1349.6276
1347		1350.3660	It was about four years old. Cause it was a sixty eight.	1352.8862
1349		1353.0998	Mm-hm.	1353.4781
1350	VLD_int_01	1353.6612	Mm.	1353.8414
1352		1353.9451	But it [was brand new to you.]	1355.0679
1353	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1354.4301	[Yeah.]	1354.8572
1355		1355.0586	Yeah.	1355.4123
1356		1355.4829	Mm-hm.	1355.9848
1357	VLD_int_01	1356.0641	Okay. So, then, tell me a little bit. Okay, so we got all-	1358.7255
1359		1358.9330	which I've never heard anything about.	1360.3426
1360	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1360.6782	[Mm.]	1361.0077
1361	VLD_int_01	1360.6782	[Toba- So,] that's [really] interesting. [So, now,] tell me about the rest of high school.	1363.6872
1362	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1361.2274	[Mm.]	1361.4470
1364		1362.0354	[Mm-hm.]	1362.3527
1365	VLD_int_01	1363.8947	So, you worked. So, you didn't do a lot of stuff in school outside of going to school.	1366.9669
1366	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1366.9913	<ts>	1367.0767
1368		1367.1805	Yeah, just going to school. I mean and	1369.3122
1370		1369.8126	may-	1370.2764
1372		1370.6026	just making sure I	1371.6156
1374		1371.9390	did my school work.	1372.8225
1376		1372.9872	You [know.]	1373.3717
1377	VLD_int_01	1373.2618	[And] then go work your eight [hours.]	1374.7256
1378	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1374.5555	[Go there-	1374.8728
1379		1374.9704	My eight hours and-	1376.0480
1381		1376.2006	and on Sundays, um	1377.3112
1383		1377.6468	Saturdays and Sundays and I would	1379.2195
1385		1379.4086	actually go to church.	1380.7363
1387		1380.9091	You know.	1381.2752
1389		1381.4278	But, um.	1382.0136
1391		1383.0258	/I sat at-/, sometime I'd go to like some of the functions, you know, like, I mean I go to s-	1386.8290
1393		1386.9877	ba- some of the ball games and stuff, you know, like most kids. But I was just	1390.5844
1395		1391.5766	mostly just working.	1392.6627
1397		1392.8946	Working and reading. Always been an	1395.2052
1399		1396.1938	avid reader. And I was, um	1397.8115
1401		1398.0253	forcing it also.	1399.1603
1403		1399.4776	Working at Strickland,	1400.5638
1405		1401.1251	the guy that I worked for,	1402.3430
1407		1403.4414	<ts>	1403.5512
1409		1403.6550	uh,	1404.2103
1411		1405.1317	And it's ironic	1405.9289
1413		1406.3988	you know, when I tell people this, they-	1407.8816
1415		1407.9976	they are puzzled.	1408.8702
1417		1410.6769	He,	1410.8966
1419		1411.0003	uh.	1411.6045
1421		1412.3428	<ts>	1412.4649
1423		1413.0595	He told me, he said /RD-NAME-1/, he said, I see you um	1416.2143
1425		1416.8184	he said he told me, you got to high school? I say yes sir.	1419.4084
1427		1420.7386	And he said, uh,	1421.5868
1429		1421.7394	I never	1422.4106
1431		1422.9559	got a chance	1423.9017
1433		1424.0543	to go to school.	1425.0404
1435		1427.2087	He said, but uh,	1428.4170
1437		1429.8889	even though you working these eight hours,	1431.7622
1439		1432.7449	he said, when you get a break,	1434.0691
1441		1434.9661	and I already told all these- cause I was working out there with grown [men.]	1437.8338
1442	VLD_int_01	1437.7362	[Mm.]	1437.9925
1443	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1438.6393	He said, I already instructed these guys,	1440.7150
1445		1442.5419	whenever you might not be at your	1444.2627
1447		1444.4946	post, or whatever you're doing to help them,	1446.4228
1449		1447.0271	that I had already authorized you to get your school work every day	1450.6803
1451		1451.0463	while you're here at work.	1452.0166
1453		1452.1386	You know.	1452.5353
1455		1453.4876	If you need to take some time,	1455.1169
1457		1455.3793	fifteen, twenty, thirty minutes, or whatever,	1457.5089
1459		1457.8323	for your lunch break	1458.6750
1461		1458.9007	extra.	1459.4499
1463		1460.1029	Cause back then, you didn't even have no lunch breaks, you	1462.3550
1465		1462.4343	you f- you'd fit in when you get a chance but,	1465.0661
1467		1465.4627	he told me, he said I want you to-	1467.0432
1469		1467.1530	to baby, let's get you a high school	1468.8984
1471		1469.1486	education.	1469.9541
1473		1470.0273	And that's a white guy telling me that and,	1472.1659
1475		1472.8372	in nineteen seventy-	1474.0379
1477		1474.2210	seventy three.	1475.0936
1479		1475.4353	That- that was um,	1476.3995
1481		1476.4910	when I look back on it now, you look at the turbulent	1479.0148
1483		1479.2663	times we done had in this country,	1480.8529
1485		1481.1885	that- that was remarkable to me. And I often just reflect back on that sometime. I say, I hope you know that-	1485.8331
1487		1486.2419	that he encouraged me, you know. They- that-	1488.1213
1489		1488.3898	that even if he didn't get it,	1489.8886
1491		1490.4256	that he thought enough	1491.3287
1493		1491.6827	of me	1492.2502
1495		1492.4149	wanting to get it	1493.2631
1497		1493.6726	that he was gonna support me	1495.0517
1499		1495.9062	and make sure I got it.	1496.9253
1501		1497.2548	Um.	1497.5172
1502	VLD_int_01	1497.6575	That's	1498.0048
1503	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1498.3709	[Yeah.]	1498.7001
1504	VLD_int_01	1498.3709	[That is] like	1499.0177
1505	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1499.1398	Yeah.	1499.4449
1506	VLD_int_01	1500.1405	that's amazing.	1500.9226
1507	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1500.9226	Mm-hm.	1501.4169
1508	VLD_int_01	1501.4169	Um.	1501.9477
1510		1503.4510	To hear that	1504.1527
1512		1505.9184	amount	1506.4553
1514		1506.6567	one,	1507.1204
1516		1507.4744	that he admitted that he didn't have a degree, [or di-]	1510.0434
1517	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1509.7078	[Mm-hm.]	1510.0495
1518	VLD_int_01	1510.1533	you know, didn't have [his diploma.]	1511.4286
1519	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1511.0442	[Mm-hm.]	1511.3676
1520		1511.5507	[Mm-hm.]	1511.9484
1521	VLD_int_01	1511.9473	And then, two, making sure	1513.5219
1522		1514.0406	while you getting paid, you [still-]	1515.8066
1523	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1515.2757	[Mm-hm.]	1515.6297
1524		1515.9287	[Mm-hm.]	1516.3375
1525	VLD_int_01	1516.1483	[he still] supported to get- that's	1517.7501
1526	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1518.1772	[You know, I.]	1518.6526
1527	VLD_int_01	1518.3292	[that's] a big deal, like-	1519.6107
1528		1520.1049	and like you said, in nineteen-seventies.	1521.7664
1529	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1521.8884	[Mm-hm.]	1522.3033
1530	VLD_int_01	1522.0104	[When] racial tensions were [all kinds of] a hot mess.	1524.6039
1531	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1522.9380	[That's a /foreman/.]	1523.9138
1532		1524.7442	Yeah.	1525.1347
1534		1525.2642	Mm-hm.	1525.7341
1535	VLD_int_01	1525.9415	So,	1526.6189
1537		1527.2718	then you graduated from	1528.4068
1539		1528.8170	high school.	1529.4821
1540	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1529.7262	Yeah, I went to	1530.6293
1542		1531.1175	in fact,	1531.8454
1544		1533.1893	I finished high school after the eleventh grade.	1535.1847
1546		1535.9374	When I	1536.3096
1548		1536.8161	after eleventh grade, all I needed was English four.	1539.2452
1550		1539.3977	Just	1539.6906
1552		1539.7638	my senior English.	1540.8195
1554		1541.4480	So, I went to summer school	1542.8149
1556		1543.1200	and the	1543.6131
1558		1543.9854	year- uh, my class is seventy-five, but	1546.2760
1560		1546.9656	in the summer	1547.6246
1562		1547.9175	of	1548.3629
1564		1548.4459	nineteen seventy-four, all I needed was English. And they was offering English	1551.9277
1566		1552.0131	for summer school	1553.0321
1568		1553.1359	so, I went to summer school, finished, got my English	1555.6014
1570		1555.7661	four.	1556.2543
1572		1556.9072	So, after the eleventh grade, I was finished with school.	1559.2464
1574		1560.0336	[And.]	1560.3587
1575	VLD_int_01	1560.1373	[So,] what'd you do that year? Did you work?	1561.6645
1576	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1562.0611	I worked, I continued to work at Strickland.	1564.1525
1578		1564.3470	After that year, you know,	1565.7539
1580		1565.8847	and then I just decided I wanted-	1567.3991
1582		1568.2778	what can else I do? I	1569.8329
1584		1571.4772	mm. <ts>	1572.0142
1586		1572.4170	I guess	1572.9113
1588		1573.5886	I ended up going to the-	1574.4952
1590		1574.5807	I went to the military.	1575.8804
1592		1576.3625	And uh,	1576.8629
1594		1577.4426	when I was in the military, I	1578.7556
1596		1579.7624	just started thinking about you know, wh-	1581.1049
1598		1581.8982	what I'd do in my future.	1583.1735
1600		1583.5153	And I took some classes when I was in the military.	1585.6878
1602		1585.9685	And then I got out of this.	1587.3598
1604		1587.5612	Uh,	1587.8462
1606		1588.7676	got married when I was in the military.	1590.4579
1608		1590.8608	In uh,	1591.8921
1610		1592.0081	after two years, and	1593.2834
1612		1593.6251	then I had um	1594.3635
1614		1594.7364	my first child,	1595.7799
1616		1596.7990	was born in	1597.6045
1618		1597.8058	nineteen seventy-nine. And.	1600.0392
1620		1600.9307	So, when I got out,	1601.9619
1622		1602.1572	I just started working, I got a job at /RD-WORK-1/.	1604.8690
1624		1605.5280	And I've been at /RD-WORK-1/	1606.5592
1625	VLD_int_01	1606.7527	Ever since.	1607.3568
1626	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1607.4728	Ever [since.]	1608.2538
1627	VLD_int_01	1608.1257	[So,] let's go back cause we- that was whole lot of things you went through in that	1610.8961
1628	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1610.8961	Yeah.	1611.2256
1629	VLD_int_01	1611.2256	little two [seconds.]	1612.1596
1630	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1611.8387	[Too fast.]	1612.1743
1631		1612.3000	[<laugh>]	1613.5326
1632	VLD_int_01	1612.3000	[That little two, two minutes] right there.	1613.8621
1633		1614.2954	Okay, so you went into the military. What made you go into the military?	1617.3833
1634	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1617.7556	At the time, there was, uh	1619.4520
1636		1620.9226	there was no outlet.	1621.9661
1638		1622.6068	Cause I wasn't thinking about school. I mean, I pl-	1624.8651
1640		1625.8781	I- I know i probably coulda did the school work, but I just needed something real quick t-	1630.2924
1642		1630.4694	I mean, a- to	1631.2016
1644		1631.3237	to	1631.7020
1646		1631.7935	get something going. Cause again, I always, my thought was always about my mom, what can I do to, you know,	1636.8757
1648		1637.3602	assist her, financially. You know. So, I guess that the best thing	1640.9123
1650		1641.2174	next best thing to do that, would be	1643.0281
1652		1643.1928	be in the military, [you know.]	1644.4255
1653	VLD_int_01	1644.0909	[Mm-hm.]	1644.5119
1654	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1644.7795	And have a	1645.4629
1656		1645.8046	a job,	1646.5857
1658		1646.6467	I mean,	1647.1776
1660		1647.6597	benefits	1648.5994
1662		1648.7581	and so I can send my mama money, you know, to	1651.0158
1664		1651.2904	try to help her out.	1652.2362
1666		1652.3583	You know.	1652.6634
1668		1652.7427	So,	1653.0661
1670		1654.2622	that was it.	1655.0371
1671	VLD_int_01	1655.2738	Say, when'd you go into the mili- seventy-five?	1657.5438
1672	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1657.7268	Seventy-five.	1658.7233
1674		1658.9369	In uh, November	1660.6726
1676		1661.1607	the fourth, nineteen seventy-five.	1663.3636
1677	VLD_int_01	1663.6199	And how long were you in the military?	1665.0088
1678	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1665.2561	I stayed in the military four years.	1667.0196
1679	VLD_int_01	1667.2759	Four years. [Okay.]	1668.1791
1680	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1668.0021	[Mm-hm.]	1668.5147
1681	VLD_int_01	1668.6306	And so then, in two years,	1670.4452
1682	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1670.7076	Mm.	1670.9151
1683	VLD_int_01	1670.9700	you said that's when you met your wife.	1672.0562
1684	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1672.1905	[Mm-hm.]	1672.5932
1685	VLD_int_01	1672.3430	[That's] the wife you're-	1673.3071
1686		1673.6733	that's the only wife-	1674.3628
1688		1674.5281	the same wife for today?	1675.4617
1689	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1675.5289	<ts> No, not the same wife [/today/.]	1677.1080
1690	VLD_int_01	1676.6211	[This is a different one? Okay. Different one.]	1678.2477
1691	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1677.3216	[Different one. <laugh>]	1678.1753
1692		1678.2969	[<laugh>]	1678.8705
1693	VLD_int_01	1678.4739	[Just kidding.]	1678.8705
1694		1678.9499	[Different one.]	1679.4197
1695	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1679.0658	[/?/]	1679.4258
1696		1679.5296	Yeah.	1679.7615
1697	VLD_int_01	1679.9628	Okay.	1680.3167
1699		1680.4022	So, you met your wife, and then you had your first child.	1682.8858
1700	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1682.9346	[Mm-hm.]	1683.3251
1701	VLD_int_01	1682.9773	[How many] children do you have?	1683.6851
1702	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1683.9475	I have two girls.	1684.9299
1703	VLD_int_01	1685.0459	You have two girls. Okay.	1686.1748
1704	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1686.3151	[Mm-hm.]	1686.6141
1705	VLD_int_01	1686.3151	[So, your] first daughter was born	1687.7735
1706	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1688.0542	Nineteen	1688.7072
1708		1688.9757	April the	1689.6164
1710		1690.1062	eleventh, Nineteen seventy-nine.	1692.0955
1711	VLD_int_01	1692.0955	Nineteen seventy-nine.	1692.8216
1713		1692.9498	Okay.	1693.3281
1715		1693.5173	And then [you.]	1694.0941
1716	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1693.8088	[Seventy] eight. Um, excuse me.	1694.9768
1717	VLD_int_01	1694.6839	[Seventy] eight, and then how	1695.9995
1718		1696.2375	many years is separate with your-	1697.5392
1719	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1697.9481	Seven.	1698.5094
1721		1698.7110	Seven years and two days.	1700.1387
1723		1700.2669	August the [thirteenth.]	1701.4504
1724	VLD_int_01	1701.0660	[<laugh>]	1703.6350
1725	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1701.7067	[<laugh>]	1703.6960
1726	VLD_int_01	1703.8547	Okay.	1704.5259
1728		1704.6968	And two days. And two days.	1706.0015
1730		1706.5690	And then, how.	1707.6186
1732		1708.6986	So, why'd you decide to leave the military?	1710.5903
1734		1711.3056	Cause of your family?	1712.0134
1735	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1712.6114	Mm.	1712.9226
1737		1713.0874	<ts>	1713.2155
1739		1714.2442	Yeah, what- what really made me leave the military was	1717.1854
1741		1717.4356	I was	1717.8628
1743		1718.2106	some of the	1718.7023
1745		1719.4285	<ts> talking to some of the veterans in the military.	1721.7961
1747		1722.8262	And	1723.6439
1749		1723.9673	them having to go	1725.1145
1751		1725.3098	um,	1726.0176
1753		1726.9329	<ts> what they call a remote tour.	1728.3579
1755		1729.1451	And be separated from their	1730.6340
1757		1731.2687	family,	1731.8064
1759		1732.0932	their children,	1732.7949
1761		1733.6981	and that's something I didn't want, cause my daughter was just born.	1736.5991
1763		1736.7639	And I just couldn't fathom, you know	1738.8081
1765		1739.4488	being separated from her	1740.8380
1767		1741.9058	during the years, I mean,	1743.0874
1769		1743.9295	one to two years old, and lose all that	1746.2056
1771		1746.3154	possibly. Cause I just heard all the horror stories of-	1748.6441
1773		1748.7539	when they came back,	1749.8258
1775		1750.2530	they really didn't have no identity, with the kids, the kids really didn't know who they was, and that's a long time. Full year, I mean	1756.0477
1777		1756.5725	and you really can't blame the kid, because the fact they are	1759.5738
1779		1759.6714	you know,	1760.0741
1781		1760.4037	basically	1760.9225
1783		1761.3436	product of their surroundings, you know.	1763.0278
1785		1763.5947	So, um.	1764.2720
1787		1764.7175	I didn't wanna take that chance and I	1766.5404
1789		1766.8333	and then again, just thinking back to	1768.3222
1791		1768.7671	my relationship with my mom, you know	1770.6221
1793		1770.8479	I	1771.2621
1795		1771.4391	I jus- I just wanted to have that s-	1772.8182
1797		1773.0074	that same strong relationship with my children, you know.	1775.8626
1798	VLD_int_01	1776.2165	So,	1776.4972
1800		1776.7047	let's talk a little bit about-	1778.2790
1802		1778.6258	before we	1779.1689
1804		1779.6144	finish. Now, the mili-	1780.4809
1806		1780.6090	before we leave the military.	1781.7379
1807	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1781.7379	[Mm-hm.]	1782.2383
1808	VLD_int_01	1782.1529	[Tell] me a little bit about going to Texas and North Carolina. How was it-	1785.7507
1809		1785.8667	How was it?	1786.3523
1810	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1786.8222	Uh.	1787.2469
1812		1787.4239	Texas was when I went to uh, basic training.	1790.2254
1814		1790.6892	Which was-	1791.3506
1816		1791.4482	which was different, you know that's when you get all your instructions (laughing), you know, and then,	1795.3206
1818		1796.2238	and it's-	1796.6875
1820		1796.8523	it's all about, you know	1798.0854
1822		1798.2197	uh, how you-	1799.0130
1824		1799.3364	you know, receive it, and with my background, it	1801.7373
1826		1801.8593	it really wasn't that	1802.7746
1828		1803.1530	big of a deal with me, cause I'm	1804.6236
1830		1804.9653	so u- I been used to people s-	1806.7558
1832		1806.9877	you know, screaming	1808.2479
1834		1808.7056	hollering, and that kind of	1810.3714
1836		1810.6949	stuff, and it was, it's just a	1812.0648
1838		1812.5652	part of just getting you regimented, to you know,	1814.4324
1840		1814.7314	to make sure that you're	1815.7749
1842		1816.2923	actually capable	1817.5675
1844		1817.7200	of I guess	1818.7391
1846		1819.5873	receiving instructions. I guess it was more	1821.7567
1848		1821.8910	/gen/ around to make sure you gonna be able to receive instructions and, um,	1825.6348
1850		1826.0436	<ts> and move forward.	1827.0322
1852		1827.6668	So in my basic training- in fact, even in basic training,	1830.7466
1854		1831.6619	<ts> I was able to um,	1833.1800
1856		1833.5095	I was	1833.9916
1858		1834.0648	given a position as the dorm chief	1836.3025
1860		1836.6686	that [would be over all the s-]	1838.3389
1861	VLD_int_01	1837.0459	[<laugh>]	1838.9003
1862	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1838.4915	[offic-]	1838.9003
1863		1839.0224	over the troops, you know.	1840.3038
1865		1840.8225	Then,	1841.1736
1867		1841.2835	and I uh,	1841.9181
1869		1842.3879	you know,	1842.8517
1871		1843.0513	I wa-	1843.5456
1873		1843.7774	I would	1844.1558
1875		1844.5341	what they call our, uh,	1845.9498
1877		1846.1695	TIs	1846.7309
1879		1847.2043	technical ins-	1847.8267
1881		1848.0219	uh, training instructors.	1849.5048
1883		1849.9014	One was Hispanic	1851.2012
1885		1851.5797	and um,	1851.9885
1887		1852.1533	one was um,	1853.0930
1889		1853.7582	Caucasian.	1854.5514
1891		1854.9054	And we never seen those guys	1856.5025
1893		1857.6802	they w- they- we was- they would be with us during the day,	1860.8228
1895		1861.0815	in fact one of 'em was a, uh	1863.0464
1897		1863.5346	<ts> the Hispanic guy was a um	1865.6041
1899		1866.2631	what we call disc jockeys back then.	1868.2036
1901		1868.3256	You know.	1868.6124
1903		1869.0247	He was a disc jockey, and the other one was uh,	1871.4106
1905		1871.5083	I forget what else he did.	1872.6555
1907		1872.9057	But, you never really seen him.	1874.1993
1909		1874.3832	We basically on our own (laughing) in a sense, you know.	1876.9766
1911		1877.6601	But, uh,	1878.2032
1913		1878.3313	and- and they do that too just to	1880.0431
1915		1880.1530	they say, well,	1880.8059
1917		1881.2391	y'all guys doing good. We d- we don't need to babysit y'all, you know, just, no- you know what to do,	1886.0070
1919		1886.2399	you know when to go to lunch, you know when to come back. And-	1888.4916
1921		1889.5656	and uh,	1890.3284
1923		1890.8226	<ts> so that was definitely different. And I got a chance to after	1893.9379
1925		1894.1454	/dra-/ graduating from, um,	1895.7686
1927		1895.9761	basic training,	1896.8478
1929		1897.5130	I was, um,	1898.5503
1931		1898.9380	<ts> I was security police. That was my MO.	1901.3451
1933		1901.4305	That was the field I was in. In security.	1903.3919
1935		1904.2484	<ts>	1904.2966
1937		1904.5940	So, um,	1905.1479
1939		1905.8558	my first assignment	1907.0457
1941		1907.2166	af-	1907.4179
1943		1907.5888	after went in the technical school, left Texas	1909.7545
1945		1909.8460	then we stayed in Texas and went to technical school	1912.2658
1947		1912.6369	and Lackland Air Force Base.	1914.1197
1949		1914.6567	And I got an assignment, I was going to, uh,	1917.6162
1951		1919.5815	South Dakota.	1920.5029
1953		1921.5464	Ellsworth, South Dakota.	1923.0109
1955		1923.9718	And so,	1924.6003
1957		1925.7839	this other guy was going to, uh,	1928.0356
1959		1930.2012	uh, which country was that?	1931.5375
1961		1931.6962	Um.	1932.3857
1963		1935.3117	Not the Philippines.	1936.6481
1965		1937.6525	I forget the name of the country he was going to.	1939.7638
1967		1940.3802	So, we s- we changed	1941.8779
1969		1942.0976	orders.	1942.6895
1971		1944.0869	And I said, well I-	1944.8009
1973		1944.9351	I'd like to leave the country, I mean I-	1946.8727
1975		1946.9886	I would like that experience, you know?	1948.5996
1977		1949.4289	Instead of going up there in all that cold.	1951.3877
1979		1951.5708	And he said, you'll swap with me? And I said, uh,	1953.9134
1981		1954.1270	yeah. So we s-	1954.9874
1983		1955.4115	we got	1955.8448
1985		1956.5465	we went over to baseops	1957.9317
1987		1958.0476	and they switched our orders, and I was gonna	1959.9637
1989		1960.3115	go, uh,	1961.0332
1991		1961.4543	<ts>	1961.5336
1993		1961.7105	out of the country and he was going to go to Ellsworth.	1963.7426
1995		1964.2368	And that was right before	1965.5391
1997		1966.5213	<ts> the	1967.3207
1999		1967.7112	Vietnam War ended.	1968.9439
2001		1969.0903	When they signed the peace treaty.	1970.5800
2003		1971.4038	And that's was eliminated me from having to-	1973.4602
2005		1973.7409	being able to go outside of the United States.	1976.1683
2007		1976.6077	And I ended up getting as-	1977.7458
2009		1977.8983	my orders at what they call red line.	1980.0096
2011		1980.2171	They red lined my orders, and I ended up having to go to North Carolina.	1983.7203
2012	VLD_int_01	1984.7332	Where were you in North Carolina?	1985.8476
2013	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	1986.2442	I was in Goldsboro. Goldsboro is-	1988.7504
2015		1988.9396	North Carolina is about	1990.0624
2017		1990.2454	fifty miles	1991.2043
2019		1992.4553	east	1992.9373
2021		1993.4621	according of what direction of what you're going in, from Charlotte, North- I mean from uh,	1996.6605
2023		1997.8748	not Charlotte. Ch- Charlotte's probably	1999.7098
2025		1999.8074	two hours.	2000.5580
2027		2000.7960	But, Rocky	2001.6930
2029		2001.7967	I mean, um,	2002.6327
2031		2003.0471	<ts> s-	2003.4010
2033		2003.5780	call it, uh,	2004.2858
2035		2006.0246	Not Rocky Fort, uh	2007.5200
2037		2007.6786	what's the,	2008.1725
2039		2008.4471	where Chapel Hill at?	2009.5089
2041		2010.1557	Um.	2010.5340
2043		2011.5849	It's about [fifty miles.]	2012.5979
2044	VLD_int_01	2012.1910	[Mount.]	2012.4961
2045		2012.6955	Rocky Mount.	2013.4766
2046	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2013.6596	Rocky Mount. I mean, Rocky Mount	2015.4099
2048		2015.6418	is famous for furniture.	2017.3748
2050		2017.8996	But, Chapel Hill	2018.9247
2052		2019.1382	where the Caroli- I mean, where the Carolina Tar Heels, [um.]	2021.5170
2053	VLD_int_01	2021.2913	[Mm-hm.]	2021.7916
2054	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2022.3103	It's about fifty [miles from there.]	2023.7823
2055	VLD_int_01	2023.4531	[From there,] okay.	2024.0450
2056	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2024.0206	Yeah.	2024.3131
2057	VLD_int_01	2024.4050	[So,]	2024.8138
2058	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2024.4656	[Mm.]	2024.8134
2059	VLD_int_01	2024.9115	ninety five?	2025.9488
2060	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2026.0282	Ninety five.	2026.6689
2061	VLD_int_01	2026.6689	Yep. Okay.	2027.2913
2062	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2027.4743	Yeah, you going up ninety five, you get to uh, Goldsboro, then you	2030.8310
2064		2030.9989	go on about fifty miles on up,	2032.7362
2066		2032.8034	get up	2033.2366
2068		2033.3159	to um,	2034.0085
2070		2035.5865	like it's right on the tip of my tongue, I can't think of the name of the town.	2038.4483
2072		2038.6955	Uh.	2039.1044
2074		2040.0838	By the-	2040.3340
2076		2040.4508	my s-	2040.8461
2078		2041.8086	it's fifty miles from there. [<laughing>]	2043.8882
2079	VLD_int_01	2043.0347	[Fifty. Okay.]	2043.8882
2080	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2043.9981	Yeah.	2044.2330
2081	VLD_int_01	2044.7120	And so, you went there. How- how long were you in North Carolina?	2046.9582
2083		2047.0406	That was two years?	2047.9291
2084	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2048.0451	I was in North Carolina	2049.2759
2086		2049.5871	uh,	2050.2369
2088		2050.7526	about a little over three years, after	2052.2214
2090		2052.3220	tech school.	2053.0420
2092		2053.3990	After basic training and technical school.	2055.1803
2094		2055.5070	Mm-hm.	2055.7999
2095	VLD_int_01	2056.0074	So, did you meet your wife	2056.9776
2097		2057.0691	there? Or in [Texas?]	2058.1187
2098	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2057.8929	[No.] She's from Valdosta.	2059.0951
2099	VLD_int_01	2059.0951	Oh, you had already met- y'all were already [married]	2060.8368
2100	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2060.7697	[Mm-hm.]	2061.1297
2101	VLD_int_01	2061.1297	when you went into the mi- but she traveled with you.	2062.8688
2102	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2062.8688	Mm-hm.	2063.3997
2103	VLD_int_01	2063.5004	Okay.	2063.9276
2105		2064.1499	And so, y'all were in North Carolina. How was North Carolina?	2066.1712
2106	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2066.6289	It was good.	2067.3551
2108		2067.4649	I li- I met one of the best friends, I c- still got a life time friend I met,	2071.5513
2110		2071.7283	um.	2072.2653
2112		2073.4981	Back in nineteen-seventy seven, we still friends.	2076.4467
2113	VLD_int_01	2076.7946	Hm.	2077.1058
2114	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2077.3865	Mm-hm.	2077.8502
2115	VLD_int_01	2078.4849	And then you came back to-	2080.3226
2117		2080.5211	after that, that's when you	2081.4486
2119		2081.5462	then that's when	2082.3151
2120	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2082.4371	[I.]	2082.9192
2121	VLD_int_01	2082.4554	[You decided] to leave because you didn't want to [be having] this [remote]	2086.0120
2122	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2084.2051	[Right]	2084.6322
2124		2085.3651	[Mm.]	2086.0059
2125		2086.2094	[Mm-hm.]	2086.6244
2126	VLD_int_01	2086.4474	duty.	2086.7098
2127	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2086.6976	/?/ [Mm-hm.]	2087.5275
2128	VLD_int_01	2087.3872	[Okay.] And then you came back to Valdosta.	2089.2605
2129	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2089.2605	Mm-hm.	2089.7304
2130	VLD_int_01	2090.0538	And then at that point, you said, I'm just gonna	2091.8924
2132		2092.1731	work?	2092.6307
2133	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2092.7162	Work. Mm-hm.	2093.6254
2134	VLD_int_01	2094.0551	And so,	2094.5834
2136		2095.3706	what happened when you	2096.4995
2138		2096.6215	came back, how did you- did you work your way up at /RD-WORK-1/?	2099.1356
2139	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2099.1356	Yeah. Mm-hm.	2100.0875
2140		2100.2523	I-	2100.5391
2142		2100.6306	in fact what I	2101.4422
2144		2102.5955	<ts> what I do now, and it gr-	2104.1474
2146		2104.3183	what I do now, I do at	2105.6180
2148		2105.7828	it's the same thing I do, only now, I'm just	2107.7078
2150		2107.9519	in charge of it all.	2109.0930
2152		2109.5507	[<laugh>]	2110.5588
2153	VLD_int_01	2109.5507	[<laugh>]	2110.5588
2154	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2110.9372	I start off as a shipping clerk.	2112.7434
2156		2113.1927	And uh, i- d- g- the person that hired me	2115.4138
2158		2115.5603	actually was one of the people	2116.9638
2160		2117.7876	that moved /RD-WORK-1/ from the	2119.6060
2162		2119.8806	when they was i-	2120.3246
2164		2120.4649	/RD-WORK-1/ was originally was in New Jersey.	2122.7666
2166		2122.8764	Called /RD-WORK-2/ in-	2124.0663
2168		2124.1628	industries.	2124.9594
2170		2125.1180	So, they moved	2125.7648
2172		2126.0028	south	2126.6008
2174		2127.3819	and built /RD-WORK-1/. Now, /RD-WORK-1/ is a	2130.0982
2176		2130.2142	is a French	2131.0013
2178		2132.0936	company.	2132.6428
2180		2133.1721	Uh,	2133.4711
2182		2133.5993	the French company	2134.7282
2184		2134.9967	the original	2135.6130
2186		2135.6984	uh, company's in Bordeaux, France.	2137.6206
2188		2138.5359	In	2139.0546
2190		2139.3902	this year we- last year we	2140.8079
2192		2141.0458	celebrated a hundred years in existence.	2143.3158
2194		2143.6148	[As a.]	2143.9871
2195	VLD_int_01	2143.6148	[So. what] do you ship?	2144.5253
2196		2144.6290	What- what do you [make?]	2145.5992
2197	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2145.3918	[We-]	2145.6969
2198		2145.8338	we make, uh	2147.0908
2200		2147.5485	aviation batteries for all	2149.2786
2202		2149.4006	like [Boeing,]	2150.1329
2203	VLD_int_01	2149.6773	[Oh.]	2150.2509
2204	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2150.2610	Aircraft,	2151.0909
2206		2152.2137	Golfstream Aircrafts.	2153.9793
2208		2154.2112	Uh. We make military, um	2156.8764
2210		2157.1795	<ts>	2157.2721
2212		2157.3722	batteries and components.	2159.0243
2214		2159.3355	We make	2160.0861
2216		2161.4051	Bell South, AT&T,	2163.3798
2218		2163.4896	uh, Verizon type batteries for the backup	2166.1503
2220		2166.5287	systems	2167.4196
2222		2167.5178	for power units.	2168.8175
2224		2168.9579	We build	2169.7817
2226		2170.3736	batteries for the New York City Transit,	2172.5540
2228		2172.6943	uh,	2173.2924
2230		2173.4876	trolley cars out in	2174.7935
2232		2174.9704	California.	2175.8844
2234		2175.9698	We build for	2176.8547
2236		2177.4893	Bombardier trains	2178.9294
2238		2179.3045	and	2179.8232
2240		2180.6164	busses	2181.2784
2242		2181.4082	Mm-hm.	2181.7937
2243	VLD_int_01	2182.6084	So, this is like	2183.4444
2244	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2183.8959	[Mm.]	2184.1156
2245	VLD_int_01	2183.8959	[high] end [stuff.]	2184.9577
2246	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2184.4939	[Indu-]	2184.9455
2247		2185.0614	Yeah. [Industrial] type.	2186.2330
2248	VLD_int_01	2185.4520	[/?/]	2185.7510
2249	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2186.3978	Yeah, yeah.	2187.1178
2251		2187.9416	[Mm-hm.]	2188.1816
2252	VLD_int_01	2187.9416	[And] how many people	2188.9321
2253		2189.1884	work?	2189.6766
2254	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2190.7262	Um.	2191.5011
2256		2191.7574	<ts>	2191.8734
2258		2192.3066	At /RD-WORK-1/ as a whole in Valdosta?	2194.1893
2260		2194.4029	probably about	2194.9869
2262		2195.0723	t- between two fifty and three hundred, once you look at office	2198.2393
2264		2198.5261	and um,	2199.5024
2266		2200.1875	salary and hourly employees. [Mm-hm.]	2202.2501
2267	VLD_int_01	2202.0670	[And] how many people work under you?	2203.4522
2268	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2203.8610	Uh, five.	2204.6389
2270		2204.9257	Mm-hm.	2205.3406
2271	VLD_int_01	2205.7678	And you're like the whole shipping?	2207.4462
2272	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2207.5561	Mm-hm.	2208.1480
2273	VLD_int_01	2208.9718	Wow.	2209.3196
2275		2209.6918	Y'all do all the logistics of shipping?	2211.9666
2276	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2212.1374	N- the-	2212.5768
2278		2212.7747	shipping, receiving, and	2214.4258
2280		2214.5174	pulling the parts for the components to be built, mm-hm.	2217.4647
2281	VLD_int_01	2218.9530	Sound a lot of work for five people.	2220.7410
2282	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2221.4061	Mm. Not really.	2222.8279
2284		2223.0048	Cau- cause I mean, we just do the actual	2225.2260
2286		2225.4091	pulling the	2225.8545
2288		2226.9285	pulling the parts and stuff. As far as the shipping,	2229.3721
2290		2229.5735	and uh, l- receiving, we just receive the goods in, and somebody else inspect them. We just have to make sure what we receiving	2235.6936
2292		2236.3404	and	2236.8286
2294		2237.3778	lot of the- the product	2238.5674
2296		2238.8176	this one	2239.4339
2298		2239.8245	one of the areas	2240.8435
2300		2241.8016	<ts> is more-	2242.4533
2302		2242.6594	two of the areas is more just like administrative type, and just	2245.6189
2304		2245.7898	not actually packing.	2247.0290
2306		2247.3708	Cause those department actually pack it up.	2249.2319
2307	VLD_int_01	2249.7230	Oh, okay.	2250.2355
2308	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2250.7176	The aviation part,	2251.7550
2310		2252.0235	we actually	2252.6596
2312		2252.8061	pack that part up, cause you dealing with individual batteries and stuff, but	2256.5345
2314		2257.3216	the other parts	2258.3375
2316		2258.5450	they're packaged, but they're packaged off a line. Where as the aviation, you ha-	2262.2704
2318		2262.3559	it goes through the FAA.	2264.0980
2320		2264.6045	So, they have to be inspected	2266.0572
2322		2266.2463	and you got to make sure you	2267.6498
2324		2267.9244	got each boxes serialized separate to make sure you got the right batteries and all that stuff. So, it's a little	2272.9359
2326		2273.1800	little more [complex.]	2274.2967
2327	VLD_int_01	2273.9306	[That's] a lot.	2274.7073
2328	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2274.9026	Yeah.	2275.2626
2329	VLD_int_01	2275.7630	So, who.	2276.7840
2331		2276.8816	Okay. So, now you've been there what, say thirty eight years?	2279.1699
2332	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2279.1699	Mm-hm.	2279.6093
2333	VLD_int_01	2279.6825	What's your plan?	2280.4453
2335		2280.9457	Another how many years?	2282.3915
2336	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2283.1281	Uh. About f- f- four years maybe. Four to five years.	2286.5043
2337	VLD_int_01	2286.6914	And then what's after that?	2287.7104
2338	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2289.0956	Just traveling.	2289.9647
2340		2290.2881	N- just having a good [time. (laughing)]	2292.1415
2341	VLD_int_01	2291.7205	[Where you] wanna go?	2292.5321
2342	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2293.8952	Uh.	2294.5885
2344		2294.9999	Anywhere.	2295.4916
2346		2295.6259	Cause I mean, I travel a lot now.	2297.3162
2348		2297.4382	But I just, um,	2298.6304
2350		2299.1751	<ts>	2299.2678
2352		2299.5866	for my sixty third birthday,	2301.8829
2354		2302.7555	I	2303.2070
2356		2303.5731	plan on going to Hawaii.	2304.8944
2357	VLD_int_01	2306.0233	Mkay.	2306.4566
2358	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2306.8349	And my favorite	2307.9517
2360		2308.1957	travel place now is, I like New York.	2310.4596
2361	VLD_int_01	2311.1370	Why New York?	2312.1847
2363		2312.6241	I don't [like] New York.	2313.7896
2364	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2312.8377	[A-]	2313.0073
2365		2314.0093	I like goin- I like Manhattan.	2316.1499
2367		2316.4428	Uh, I like Times Square.	2318.2621
2369		2318.4574	Um.	2319.0127
2371		2319.2206	I like-	2319.7144
2373		2320.1701	I like the Yankees	2321.3417
2375		2321.6179	Uh.	2322.1472
2377		2322.9602	And I like um,	2324.0187
2379		2324.8364	plays.	2325.5199
2381		2326.6915	Broadway Plays.	2327.5995
2382	VLD_int_01	2327.9352	Where did you go- when you- When's the last time you been to New York?	2330.1502
2383	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2330.6274	Last year.	2331.3218
2384	VLD_int_01	2331.4256	What'd you see?	2331.9626
2385	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2332.6151	<ts>	2332.7250
2387		2332.9779	I went to see, um,	2334.5983
2389		2335.3794	the play of The Yankees.	2336.6547
2391		2336.8574	I went [to-]	2337.5165
2392	VLD_int_01	2337.3138	[I don't] care about the [Yankees. <laugh>]	2340.1282
2393	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2338.6270	[<laugh>]	2339.6888
2394		2340.3579	I went to see uh,	2341.5033
2396		2341.7491	<ts>. I can't name.	2342.5730
2398		2342.7378	It's a	2343.2198
2400		2343.4822	remake of	2344.2121
2402		2344.6796	The Wiz?	2345.3996
2403	VLD_int_01	2345.6742	Mm-hm.	2346.0892
2404	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2346.1258	Mm-hm.	2346.4273
2405	VLD_int_01	2346.4248	Was it good?	2346.9679
2406	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2346.9679	Yeah.	2347.2913
2407		2348.3634	And I went to see	2350.1101
2409		2350.6062	<ts>	2350.7423
2411		2351.1490	I saw Gladys Knight	2352.5319
2413		2352.7558	and the O'Jays	2353.7305
2415		2353.8891	in concert	2354.7232
2417		2355.2018	one night.	2355.7725
2419		2356.2893	[Mm-hm.]	2356.6186
2420	VLD_int_01	2356.5395	[So,] you're get around.	2357.7644
2421	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2357.8566	Mm-hm.	2358.2298
2422	VLD_int_01	2358.2298	So, you wanna go to Hawaii. Where's another place that you've said, you know what, when I retire, I'm going to this place?	2362.9773
2423	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2363.7676	Uh.	2364.3076
2425		2364.4042	Thinking about Alaska.	2365.5898
2427		2366.2176	Just take a cruise to Alaska.	2367.7586
2428	VLD_int_01	2367.7586	I have been wanting to do that.	2368.9044
2429	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2369.0625	[Mm-hm.]	2369.4400
2430	VLD_int_01	2369.1591	[Like it's] on my list.	2370.1952
2431	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2370.3210	[Mm-hm.]	2370.7527
2432	VLD_int_01	2370.6254	[Have] you s-	2370.9971
2433		2371.1859	so, have you been out of the country?	2372.3449
2434	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2372.9025	Yeah, I've been, um	2374.5975
2436		2375.3482	several cruises. I went to Mexico	2377.7481
2438		2378.0773	and the [Baha-]	2378.8061
2439	VLD_int_01	2378.4154	[Did you like] it?	2379.1793
2440	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2379.3505	Yeah.	2379.7017
2442		2379.8993	Took a seven day cruise	2381.1402
2444		2382.2202	Mexico. Then I took a cruise to um,	2384.8720
2446		2385.6534	Puerto Rico, Haiti, and um,	2387.8997
2448		2388.5319	Saint Thomas.	2389.4407
2449	VLD_int_01	2390.1344	<ts>	2390.2485
2451		2390.5032	I want you to go to Cape Town.	2392.3368
2452	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2392.3895	Mm-hm.	2392.7539
2453	VLD_int_01	2392.9470	Like, well, any part of South Africa. But, especially Cape Town.	2395.6646
2454	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2395.7920	Mm.	2395.9105
2455	VLD_int_01	2396.3715	Amazing. So beautiful.	2398.0003
2456	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2398.1056	[Mm-hm.]	2398.4905
2457	VLD_int_01	2398.2797	[You have] to go.	2399.0612
2458	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2399.5090	We have um.	2400.2054
2459	VLD_int_01	2400.5303	That's a long flight though.	2401.4435
2460	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2401.5708	My wife	2402.1810
2462		2402.4225	went to VSU with uh,	2404.0196
2464		2404.4191	with a student, her name is /RD-NAME-3/	2406.4738
2466		2407.1279	and she was from Mo-	2408.0982
2468		2408.3089	Mozambique.	2409.1606
2469	VLD_int_01	2409.4576	Mm-hm.	2409.8220
2470	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2410.1250	And she's been-	2411.0908
2472		2411.3499	she's invited us to come	2412.8689
2474		2412.9348	to Africa, and we	2413.8567
2476		2413.9753	think	2414.2167
2478		2414.3265	we gon- we gonna make it.	2415.5718
2479	VLD_int_01	2415.6991	[Go.]	2415.9889
2480	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2415.7386	[/?/]	2415.9757
2481		2416.0767	We gonna go.	2416.7308
2483		2416.8011	Cause [she um.]	2417.7011
2484	VLD_int_01	2417.1172	[Go.]	2417.5386
2485	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2418.1094	She was the smartest thing in the world. I mean, as far as math.	2421.2645
2487		2421.3742	And uh.	2421.9757
2489		2422.7484	And she helped my wife a lot.	2424.0743
2491		2424.1752	You know,	2424.5396
2493		2424.6977	to get through	2425.3738
2495		2425.4748	math.	2425.9533
2497		2426.9220	And	2427.3523
2499		2427.7123	more or less, she started calling me daddy [/RD-NAME-1/ and mama /RD-NAME-2/. (laughing) So.]	2431.7294
2500	VLD_int_01	2430.7591	[<laugh>]	2432.2387
2501	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2432.4055	Her parents came over. In fact,	2434.0503
2503		2434.2040	when she got ready to move,	2435.4234
2505		2435.5858	um,	2436.0688
2507		2436.2674	my	2436.4035
2509		2436.4842	company allowed me to um,	2438.1289
2511		2438.4461	pack her stuff up	2439.4778
2513		2439.7467	[and uh,]	2440.4009
2514	VLD_int_01	2439.8367	[<ts> Mm.]	2440.4009
2515	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2440.5084	ship it over to Africa. Yeah.	2442.4461
2517		2442.9538	At a discount. On the company's discount.	2445.2850
2519		2445.4211	Yeah.	2445.7065
2520	VLD_int_01	2445.7592	That's sweet.	2446.3299
2521	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2446.6197	Yeah.	2446.9577
2522	VLD_int_01	2447.4259	So, <ts> I'm gonna repor- I'm gonna	2449.7835
2524		2449.9987	follow up with you and [see] when you-	2452.0006
2525	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2451.0216	[Mm.]	2451.2411
2526		2452.0621	[Mm-hm.]	2452.3606
2527	VLD_int_01	2452.2728	make it over [to]	2453.7596
2528	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2453.5856	[Mm.]	2453.7744
2529	VLD_int_01	2454.1459	Mozambique and [South Africa.] It's gonna be an [amazing experience. So beautiful.] Oh [my god so beautiful.]	2460.1535
2530	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2454.9686	[Mm.]	2455.2100
2532		2455.7017	[Yeah.]	2455.9344
2534		2456.9486	[Mm.]	2457.2120
2536		2457.6115	[Mm.]	2457.7740
2538		2458.3447	[Oh.]	2458.5423
2540		2459.2008	[Mm.]	2459.3808
2542		2459.9164	[Yeah.]	2460.1403
2543	VLD_int_01	2460.5355	Okay. So,	2461.5130
2545		2462.1232	let's talk about a couple of other things.	2464.7179
2546	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2464.7925	[Mm-hm.]	2465.1964
2547	VLD_int_01	2464.9593	[Um.]	2465.5169
2548		2466.7095	You talked about your best friend. So, when you were in school,	2469.3305
2550		2469.9540	who were- did you have like a	2471.1086
2552		2471.2623	t- close friends?	2472.1842
2553	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2474.1847	No, um.	2474.9135
2555		2475.0935	I guess m-	2475.5720
2557		2475.7169	my c- I had a couple guys I-	2477.4203
2559		2477.7408	my cousin, my first cousin and I was good friends,	2480.3383
2561		2480.4613	and then we had another friend, but.	2482.0110
2563		2482.9111	I had a-	2483.3633
2565		2483.7320	I always been um,	2484.7359
2566	VLD_int_01	2484.7672	<laugh>	2485.2185
2567	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2485.2056	liking a lo-	2485.8203
2568		2485.9871	hm.	2486.1057
2570		2486.5535	Uh.	2486.8520
2572		2487.6774	Gun-slinger like,	2488.8057
2574		2488.9330	lone ra- uh, single	2490.4608
2576		2490.5969	guy.	2490.8939
2578		2491.3813	Fact,	2491.6798
2580		2491.8247	You know what. Something my grandaddy shared with me.	2493.9013
2582		2494.4764	<ts>	2494.5642
2584		2494.9857	He said,	2495.5037
2586		2496.4125	<ts>	2496.4959
2588		2496.6876	when I got my car, he said,	2498.2857
2590		2498.5710	son, I'm'a give you some good advice.	2500.4149
2592		2501.3852	He said, see that door over there? I say, yes sir.	2503.6096
2594		2503.9827	He said	2504.7247
2596		2505.0979	you can keep it locked, or you can keep it open.	2507.1393
2598		2507.8374	He said, lemme give you an illustration. He said, in the wild, wild west,	2511.1619
2600		2512.2199	<ts> they had	2513.0058
2602		2513.7697	<ts>	2513.8839
2604		2514.0463	what they called shotgun riders	2515.8448
2606		2516.0687	on the stage coach	2517.1619
2608		2517.3946	in order to protect the-	2518.2682
2610		2518.5492	the person that's driving.	2519.6995
2612		2520.6971	He said, now you don't-	2521.6849
2614		2521.8210	you can protect yourself by keeping that door locked [on the other side. (laughing)]	2525.6713
2615	VLD_int_01	2524.1830	[<laugh>]	2526.5034
2616	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2526.1191	[He saw the s-] or he'd say, be careful who you let sit in that seat on the other side. (laughing)	2530.3624
2617		2530.5029	So,	2530.7795
2619		2531.3546	I-	2531.5434
2621		2531.7717	I	2532.1624
2623		2532.3381	always just been that-	2533.5483
2625		2533.6185	My mom was	2534.3956
2627		2534.9751	more of like	2535.5897
2629		2535.7566	a	2535.9980
2631		2537.2317	loner.	2537.9210
2633		2538.0351	I mean I	2538.3864
2635		2538.5093	guess you-	2538.8210
2637		2539.0565	um.	2539.3990
2639		2540.3561	I guess you	2540.7117
2641		2540.8214	like a loner, just.	2541.6512
2643		2542.4151	And I- I-	2543.1351
2645		2543.4600	I feel comfortable just-	2544.5927
2647		2545.6668	just having my own space.	2546.9960
2649		2547.1057	I- I don't li-	2548.0013
2651		2548.1901	I don't really enjoy crowds that much.	2550.2184
2653		2550.3896	To a certain extent,	2551.3233
2655		2552.1355	I can enjoy it for a while, and then I just have to get back in my comfort zone.	2555.7970
2657		2556.1701	You know?	2556.4906
2658	VLD_int_01	2556.8667	Hm.	2557.1389
2660		2557.8896	So,	2558.4603
2662		2558.6535	who was this friend that you met in, you said seventy-seven?	2561.9462
2663	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2562.3106	Yeah, his name is /RD-NAME-4/.	2564.4559
2665		2565.0881	I met AJ- AJ	2566.5413
2667		2566.7433	as um.	2567.3360
2669		2568.2009	<ts>	2568.2887
2671		2568.5082	His mom, Ms. /RD-NAME-2/	2569.8852
2673		2570.3681	and he had a sister named /RD-NAME-2/.	2572.2560
2675		2572.6687	And AJ lived about	2573.8892
2677		2575.1846	Kinston, North Carolina. If you've heard of Kinston. But, Kinston is about	2578.6075
2679		2578.8227	twenty five miles from Goldsboro.	2580.7500
2681		2581.9734	And he was able to-	2583.0753
2683		2583.6592	he was in the military. He was from Kinston	2585.7841
2685		2585.9598	but, he got stationed at Goldsboro. So, he was right there at home.	2589.0753
2687		2590.5153	So, I met him and he said, man I'm gonna introduce you to my mom and my um,	2594.4355
2689		2595.6721	<ts> sister.	2596.4052
2691		2596.9452	Cause his dad died when he was I think- AJ was	2599.3599
2693		2600.2740	um,	2600.6559
2695		2600.9238	probably about	2601.3891
2697		2601.4725	f-	2601.6086
2699		2601.7843	three or four. Something like that	2603.0574
2700	VLD_int_01	2603.0576	[Oh.]	2603.3605
2701	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2603.2419	[when] his dad died.	2604.0981
2702		2604.9761	And, um,	2605.4854
2704		2605.6039	I met his mom,	2606.6927
2706		2606.8244	and um became good friends with her and, um,	2609.4351
2708		2609.9971	and she always told me, she said, you're always welcome,	2612.3854
2710		2612.7191	you know, even when if /RD-NAME-2/'s not here. You know.	2614.7079
2712		2614.9873	There's a room, you know, you come, stay if you in t-	2617.2747
2714		2617.4415	town, or whatever, you don't wanna go back to the base, you know.	2620.0010
2716		2620.6727	You always welcome in.	2621.6772
2718		2622.0190	So I bec-	2622.5503
2720		2622.8576	befriended them. They f- I guess they befriended me.	2625.4742
2722		2625.7420	And	2626.1986
2724		2626.5630	I was	2626.9566
2726		2627.0619	friends with him and his s- what' different is him and his sister.	2629.8498
2728		2630.5259	Keep in touch with 'em, texting 'em all the time. Just	2633.1585
2730		2633.3561	checking on them, cause his mom	2634.8356
2732		2635.5117	passed,	2636.1483
2734		2636.5434	about f-	2637.0264
2736		2637.5137	I think my mom passed in twenty-fifteen. So, his mom	2641.0595
2738		2642.7981	think	2643.1625
2740		2643.4610	passed in twenty-fourteen I think.	2645.8698
2742		2646.2868	And, um,	2646.7259
2744		2646.8093	So, we just been good friends over the years and.	2649.1449
2746		2649.7420	/RD-NAME-2/ got in some trouble. Once we got out of m-	2652.4405
2748		2652.5678	military.	2653.4942
2750		2653.9376	And I would, um-	2654.9561
2752		2655.0835	He had two boys.	2656.1240
2754		2657.1454	And I had two girls.	2658.2078
2756		2658.5064	And um.	2659.0859
2758		2660.0166	<ts> I would always, you know,	2661.7947
2760		2663.2551	ta- I mean send stuff for him. You know,	2665.3476
2762		2665.5408	just cheering him wife and stuff, you know and- and	2668.0147
2763	VLD_int_01	2667.9690	Mm-hm.	2668.4044
2764	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2668.5591	And that's what friends do.	2669.6201
2765	VLD_int_01	2669.6201	That's right.	2670.1119
2766	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2670.2698	Do. You know.	2670.9679
2768		2671.5298	Wasn't nothing that they had to ask, you know, I just knew that	2673.8710
2770		2674.1344	The- they was gonna have needs, you know.	2676.0295
2772		2676.1392	So,	2676.4070
2774		2676.9822	/??/	2677.2895
2776		2677.7592	just always try to work them in to where I-	2679.8446
2778		2679.9632	what I had, you know?	2680.9714
2779	VLD_int_01	2682.9119	What do you think	2683.8734
2781		2684.9490	mm.	2685.1949
2783		2685.3705	Well, let's go back, since you just said that.	2686.9282
2785		2688.3052	Has there ever been a time when you were like, oh my god, I'm going to die?	2691.9535
2786	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2692.2872	[Mm-hm.]	2692.5462
2787	VLD_int_01	2692.2872	[Or] you felt like you were just in imminent danger?	2694.2365
2788	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2696.1462	Mm.	2696.9701
2790		2700.2409	Mm. No.	2701.3692
2792		2701.5755	No, I never experienced that.	2702.8779
2793	VLD_int_01	2704.1643	Really? Was there a time when you were just really scared?	2706.1355
2795		2707.2023	Something that i-	2707.8828
2797		2708.2516	and it couldn't not have necessarily been just like you were physically scared of something, it could have just been something that was just	2712.0345
2799		2713.0179	emotionally traumatizing or.	2715.4223
2800	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2718.7633	Um.	2719.5579
2802		2723.7228	You know d- t-	2724.1882
2804		2725.4833	it might be	2726.1023
2806		2726.6552	sk-	2727.0815
2808		2727.6594	crazy or strange,	2728.9413
2810		2729.5604	but,	2729.8721
2812		2730.6096	<ts>	2730.7150
2814		2731.6018	when my mom died, it was	2733.0930
2816		2733.5320	I mean, that's expectations. There a sense as a kid, you know your parents are older than you are.	2737.8697
2818		2738.8647	My dad died.	2739.7867
2820		2740.0194	Pretty much.	2740.7086
2822		2741.3408	My brother died in November	2743.0778
2824		2743.2929	last year.	2743.9646
2826		2746.1582	And that's been the most traumatizing thing to me	2748.6870
2828		2749.6265	in my life.	2750.5474
2830		2751.4415	And I- and I-	2752.2800
2832		2753.5708	And I guess I assess it back to	2755.3532
2834		2756.3850	I knew	2756.8811
2836		2757.1781	uh.	2757.7532
2838		2758.2197	<ts>	2758.3420
2840		2759.6849	When I was speaking at the funeral,	2761.0371
2841	VLD_int_01	2761.5728	Mm.	2761.8493
2842	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2762.0557	<ts>	2762.1830
2844		2763.0259	I got assess it back to	2764.7981
2846		2765.5664	I could just remember my mom	2767.0284
2848		2767.1908	/praying/ with my brother.	2768.3630
2850		2769.0918	And uh.	2769.8015
2852		2772.1547	And throughout the years, I can remember my mama always just	2774.8811
2854		2775.4634	telling me, you know, even when he was smaller,	2777.7771
2856		2777.9396	you know, that uh,	2778.7781
2858		2779.6825	take care of him.	2780.5283
2860		2780.6820	You know, and.	2781.3054
2862		2782.6137	And back then, those the	2783.7903
2864		2783.9044	back in them-	2784.4357
2866		2784.5893	when I grew up,	2785.3269
2868		2785.6650	we kids	2786.3894
2870		2786.6089	when your parents went off,	2787.8015
2872		2787.9420	you know, the-	2788.2844
2874		2788.5171	the oldest was always left in charge. You know.	2790.6552
2876		2790.8045	And um,	2791.3884
2878		2792.4552	And my mom would come home, and she would say, well how di- how did he do today? And- an-	2796.1020
2880		2796.6859	and I would always say, mama, he did good, even though he [didn't, you know? Cause. <laugh>]	2800.8727
2881	VLD_int_01	2799.2970	[<laugh>]	2801.0663
2882	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2801.6718	/I was/, uh,	2802.2820
2884		2802.6464	my brother had that Frank Sinatra	2804.6616
2886		2805.2531	mentality, he's just gonna do it his [way.]	2807.4746
2887	VLD_int_01	2807.3194	[<laugh>]	2809.3916
2888	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2807.9077	[<laugh>]	2808.5399
2890		2808.9526	[So],	2809.3872
2891		2809.8877	I would always cover for him, and I guess	2811.8546
2893		2812.3024	his whole life, even h- he-	2814.0131
2895		2814.2458	he went down a path that, um,	2816.1292
2897		2817.2312	that I didn't go down, as far as	2818.9873
2899		2819.7277	things he shouldn't have g-	2820.6936
2901		2821.0360	got involved with, you know, and-	2822.5770
2903		2822.6999	and that was just- just his choice. You know?	2824.6361
2905		2824.7283	And um.	2825.2639
2907		2826.4741	And.	2827.1019
2909		2828.5595	And I've just.	2829.2136
2911		2830.2190	That's	2830.4868
2913		2830.6800	that's been the hardest thing on me.	2832.3643
2914	VLD_int_01	2832.6146	Mm.	2832.9263
2915	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2833.9404	My-	2834.1643
2917		2834.2653	my- my baby- my young brother.	2836.2804
2919		2837.0663	uh, I s-	2837.5872
2921		2838.4433	if you s-	2838.8736
2923		2839.6024	speaking of traumatizing, in a sense,	2841.8107
2925		2842.8292	is death.	2843.5302
2927		2844.0702	It's been the	2844.8297
2929		2845.5453	most	2845.9799
2931		2846.3970	/traumatize/ thing to me I ever dealt with.	2848.7766
2932	VLD_int_01	2848.9566	He died last November?	2850.1667
2933	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2850.7155	November the fifth.	2851.6990
2935		2851.7824	Mm-hm. Twenty-eighteen.	2853.0424
2936	VLD_int_01	2853.4726	So, that's still really new.	2854.7019
2937	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2854.7063	Yeah.	2855.0356
2939		2855.1585	Mm-hm.	2855.6311
2941		2856.1426	[Mm-hm.]	2856.4818
2942	VLD_int_01	2856.3105	[Was] he sick? Or he just.	2857.6704
2943	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2857.9646	Yeah, my brother, um,	2859.4661
2945		2859.9139	<ts> My brother got involved with	2861.3436
2947		2862.6782	<ts>	2862.7924
2949		2863.2446	with drugs.	2864.1226
2950	VLD_int_01	2864.1226	Mm-hm.	2864.5046
2951	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2864.9173	And um.	2865.6153
2953		2867.0027	He-	2867.6377
2955		2869.3060	heart conditions.	2870.3948
2957		2871.5143	And n-	2872.0280
2959		2872.1202	he never really	2873.5060
2961		2874.0724	fully s-	2874.6387
2963		2875.5563	committed to	2876.5002
2965		2876.8207	doing	2877.2509
2967		2877.9797	treating himself better.	2879.2426
2969		2879.6070	You know.	2880.0416
2971		2881.0294	He was-	2881.6309
2973		2883.4661	kept	2883.7909
2975		2884.5944	playing the victim.	2885.5631
2977		2885.7826	You know, versus investing	2887.4070
2979		2887.5870	in- in himself, you know.	2888.9699
2981		2889.2202	There was a way out,	2890.3194
2983		2890.6487	better way out, but	2891.7886
2985		2892.9565	he never did.	2893.7423
2987		2894.2252	Mm-hm.	2894.6335
2988	VLD_int_01	2895.0199	Yeah. That happens.	2896.1965
2989	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2896.3414	Mm-hm.	2896.8359
2991		2896.9062	[So.]	2897.2794
2992	VLD_int_01	2897.0379	[It was] so. I	2897.7667
2993		2897.9599	you know, I'm doing the same kind of thing in [DC], and you know in DC, there was this [big] drug	2902.4775
2994	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2900.4711	[Hm.]	2900.6731
2996		2901.5950	[Mm.]	2901.8584
2997		2902.5784	Mm-hm.	2902.8945
2998	VLD_int_01	2903.3584	in the eighties and [nineties. And um.]	2905.8477
2999	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2904.3193	[Um.]	2904.6617
3001		2904.9427	[Mm.]	2905.2720
3002	VLD_int_01	2906.4448	Some of the stories you hear are just so sad.	2908.9598
3004		2909.0784	[Right?] Because you want	2910.1920
3005	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2909.1223	[Mm.]	2909.4647
3006	VLD_int_01	2911.3993	you know that people wanna do better,	2912.9491
3007	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2913.0149	Mm-hm.	2913.4540
3008	VLD_int_01	2913.5374	but then they also	2914.3276
3010		2915.2672	this is what they know.	2916.1364
3011	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2916.0959	Uh.	2916.4510
3012	VLD_int_01	2916.5564	[And so] trying to balance	2917.9218
3013	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2916.5739	[Mm.]	2916.7803
3015		2917.9218	Mm-hm.	2918.3784
3016	VLD_int_01	2918.4837	that out, it's it's really tough.	2919.9369
3017	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2920.0906	Mm-hm.	2920.5087
3018	VLD_int_01	2920.5087	And then just to watch it. [And I]	2922.3307
3019	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2921.8565	[Mm-hm.]	2922.3307
3020	VLD_int_01	2922.6117	was talking to one guy and he	2924.4085
3022		2924.6412	got AIDS	2925.6642
3023	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2925.8090	Mm-hm.	2926.2525
3024	VLD_int_01	2926.3403	because	2926.9637
3026		2927.0647	he was really deep into the heroin game.	2929.0914
3027	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2929.2495	Mm-hm.	2929.6490
3028	VLD_int_01	2929.6490	And	2929.9607
3030		2930.0441	him and his brother both got AIDS at the same, like around the same time. [And] his brother, he was like I'm gonna commit to doing better	2934.6788
3031	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2932.5817	[Wow.]	2932.7749
3032	VLD_int_01	2935.0519	and the brother didn't. So, he had to bury his brother, and [I think] that	2937.9188
3033	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2937.3634	[Mm.]	2937.6049
3034	VLD_int_01	2938.3798	when you said that, it just	2939.2095
3036		2939.5915	puts you in that	2940.0663
3038		2940.1629	place that	2940.6546
3040		2941.6117	you know you want something different.	2943.1000
3042		2943.1834	But,	2943.3722
3043	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2943.4424	Mm-hm.	2943.8815
3044	VLD_int_01	2943.8815	you hav-	2944.2107
3046		2944.2810	you have to w-	2944.8386
3047	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2944.9834	[Well, yeah.]	2945.6113
3048	VLD_int_01	2945.0142	[they have to want it] like, [you can't] want it for them.	2947.2254
3049	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2946.1278	[Well, yeah.]	2946.7117
3051		2947.2254	Right. Mm-hm.	2948.0332
3052	VLD_int_01	2948.1649	And it's just- that's tough.	2949.5566
3053	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2949.5566	Mm-hm.	2950.0220
3054	VLD_int_01	2950.5488	Um.	2951.1766
3056		2951.4049	So, let me kind of go back. Cause you were young enough	2954.7338
3058		2954.8436	but o-	2955.2607
3060		2955.4099	you were old enough rather	2956.5762
3062		2956.6421	[to understand.]	2957.3489
3063	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2956.7079	[Mm.]	2957.0109
3064	VLD_int_01	2957.6299	Thinking about civil rights.	2958.9162
3065	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2958.9645	Mm-hm.	2959.4123
3066	VLD_int_01	2959.4519	And, Valdosta's a little southern [town.]	2961.6338
3067	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2961.2856	[/?/.]	2961.6675
3068	VLD_int_01	2961.9412	How did you-	2963.1601
3070		2963.6167	were you at a time when there was like the	2965.1709
3072		2965.2938	sep-	2965.6143
3074		2965.7855	the separate fountains and things like that? Did you see the signs? Or was [it.]	2969.2172
3075	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2969.0855	[Yeah.] I could remember	2969.9679
3076		2970.0909	as a kid, growing up.	2971.3860
3077	VLD_int_01	2971.6231	How was that?	2972.2685
3079		2972.6460	Like what?	2973.1290
3081		2973.6382	Was it?	2973.9791
3082	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2975.0987	Um.	2975.5948
3084		2977.6811	It was crazy.	2978.5977
3086		2978.8787	But you know what?	2979.6338
3088		2983.0041	Prior to integration,	2984.2202
3090		2985.7260	<ts> you know where the overpass is now?	2987.4543
3091	VLD_int_01	2987.8933	The	2988.0997
3093		2988.4640	[provisional] one?	2989.0962
3094	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2988.4728	[Valdo-]	2988.7406
3095		2989.4387	Mm. The one	2990.1543
3097		2990.9533	overpass downtown.	2992.1279
3098	VLD_int_01	2992.1542	Mm-hm.	2992.5845
3099	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	2993.7014	What we called	2994.5800
3101		2995.4996	beneath the overpass was Crane Avenue.	2997.7064
3103		2997.8820	Right there where	2998.7732
3105		2998.8523	the old- I mean the unemployment office and all that stuff is [now.]	3002.0352
3106	VLD_int_01	3001.8552	[Mm-hm.]	3002.2021
3107	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3002.7947	All those businesses,	3003.7547
3109		3003.9698	all that	3004.3562
3111		3004.8303	space down there was black owned businesses.	3007.3372
3113		3009.0889	And,	3009.7240
3115		3010.7162	black people describe, /describe/	3012.4898
3117		3013.5347	back in those days, cause	3014.8343
3119		3015.6949	basically	3016.3710
3121		3017.5520	our money	3018.2149
3123		3019.4486	made it's- made surplus within the neighborhood.	3022.0241
3125		3022.1998	You know?	3022.5861
3127		3023.6793	Versus	3024.4256
3129		3024.5969	now,	3025.0227
3131		3025.1193	know, we just consumers.	3026.4496
3133		3026.6691	You know?	3026.9676
3134	VLD_int_01	3026.9676	Mm-hm.	3027.1959
3135	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3027.2881	We-	3027.5193
3137		3027.6158	we don't own nothing. Our money just spend it	3029.9383
3139		3030.1008	lo- it's spent in one t-	3031.6637
3141		3031.7471	spent out, it never spends in, you [know (laughing)]	3034.0703
3142	VLD_int_01	3033.9561	[Right.]	3034.3776
3143	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3034.4039	within the community.	3035.7407
3145		3036.7505	So, um	3037.7208
3147		3038.5198	<ts>	3038.6120
3149		3040.0088	Even though we was	3040.9351
3151		3041.5717	separate,	3042.3005
3153		3043.7346	they was better off	3044.9156
3155		3045.1263	in a s- in a sense, cause	3046.4961
3157		3047.2600	now, this is just my philosophy.	3048.8537
3158	VLD_int_01	3048.8844	Mm-hm.	3049.2561
3159	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3050.8980	Integration,	3051.8332
3161		3052.4610	I think we look at it	3053.5893
3163		3053.8395	um	3054.3795
3165		3055.1595	<ts>	3055.2341
3167		3055.9454	we didn't	3056.8059
3169		3057.6839	actually understand the extent of what	3059.8483
3171		3060.2610	integration was doing to us.	3061.9936
3173		3062.7883	I think it,	3063.3371
3175		3063.4820	um,	3064.0351
3177		3065.2117	<ts>	3065.2776
3179		3066.5244	from a economic standpoint,	3068.0639
3181		3068.9024	and-	3069.1746
3183		3069.3634	and it's always about economics.	3071.0186
3185		3071.4620	You know. That [I mean the-]	3072.6913
3186	VLD_int_01	3071.8483	[It all makes sense.]	3072.8713
3187	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3072.8142	[You] know. A- and	3073.6494
3188		3074.4791	And I th-	3074.7865
3190		3074.9094	guess	3075.2913
3192		3075.4274	wh- when you've been shut out so much of	3077.7850
3194		3078.6148	what you've perceived	3079.9216
3196		3080.3869	to be, um,	3081.3704
3198		3083.2231	validated	3084.1406
3200		3084.3382	as a people,	3085.1489
3202		3086.0840	um, you go from	3087.4494
3204		3087.6162	being kidnapped,	3088.7451
3206		3089.5573	to being,	3090.2422
3208		3090.3739	you know,	3090.7207
3210		3090.8980	bought over here	3091.8842
3212		3092.3277	and being enslaved	3093.5394
3214		3094.3077	and	3094.8696
3216		3095.7828	you being	3096.6565
3218		3097.5345	told you was free, but you're not free.	3099.4560
3220		3100.9267	And then you s-	3101.6379
3222		3101.7740	y- y- you still within your own	3103.6691
3224		3104.4506	communities. k-	3105.2145
3226		3105.4823	I mean, you're not really mingling with the other-	3107.7257
3228		3108.0243	other	3108.4501
3230		3109.0867	people.	3109.5330
3232		3112.1848	We-	3112.8257
3234		3114.0814	we bought a sense of	3115.1219
3236		3115.5725	integration as	3116.9950
3238		3117.5965	acceptance.	3118.4526
3240		3119.1506	I guess we had to be accepted. For someone to just verbally tell you that you accept, that you can come in the restaurant, you can do this, you can do that.	3126.1516
3242		3126.8980	But then, at the same time,	3128.5761
3244		3129.2785	when that acceptance came, we gave up	3131.4210
3246		3132.4307	our strength,	3133.2370
3248		3134.0317	which was our economics.	3135.4893
3250		3135.9634	You know.	3136.2444
3252		3136.9907	Um.	3137.5132
3254		3137.6537	Even our	3138.2683
3256		3138.3781	cultures in the school	3139.6014
3258		3139.9087	s- school system.	3140.9756
3260		3141.4541	When- when the schools integrated,	3143.1356
3262		3145.8209	you can't go back and,	3146.9756
3264		3147.7702	unless you was	3148.5122
3266		3149.3859	um,	3149.8073
3268		3150.0093	from my age on up,	3151.3073
3270		3152.8658	know anything about Pinevale.	3154.4419
3272		3155.4385	The history of Pinevale.	3156.5449
3274		3156.9868	The history of Westside high school.	3158.5278
3276		3159.0502	It's all about Lowndes.	3160.2356
3278		3160.6702	It's all about Valdosta.	3161.8117
3280		3162.5142	But, there was a history prior to those schools. Which was, Westside was a county school,	3166.4156
3282		3167.0434	and Val- I mean, Pinevale was a city school.	3169.4361
3284		3170.6372	But,	3170.8743
3286		3171.0587	all that history	3172.1240
3288		3172.2206	is gone. Wiped out. And is nonexistent. Unless you like I said, unless you was-	3176.6284
3290		3176.8436	my age or older, doesn't know that those things existed.	3179.6957
3292		3180.3543	And, by the same token, when it comes to, um,	3182.9006
3294		3183.8781	economics in Valdosta,	3185.3752
3296		3185.8274	wasn't a lot of money, but if you look at the stores,	3188.5406
3298		3188.8699	the stores that you see in Valdosta now.	3190.8221
3300		3192.3631	We-	3192.8240
3302		3192.9206	we don't wanna populate those stores in our community	3195.4918
3304		3197.2238	economically.	3198.1062
3306		3198.4091	But, we don't own none of 'em.	3199.6764
3307	VLD_int_01	3199.6764	Mm-hm.	3200.1638
3308	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3200.5150	You know?	3200.8618
3310		3201.4589	But, back then, those same stores,	3203.8648
3312		3205.4461	was owned by us.	3206.5146
3314		3207.7526	So, you was able to,	3208.7800
3316		3209.3244	uh, go in those stores	3210.6239
3318		3210.7468	in the community, the ladies know you, the men know you.	3213.2741
3320		3213.7834	And so, i- it was a-	3214.8985
3322		3215.3770	we was more economically	3216.9356
3324		3217.5107	um,	3218.1326
3326		3218.5146	intense	3219.2302
3328		3219.4278	back then	3220.1170
3330		3220.5517	versus now.	3221.3024
3332		3221.8688	Because now,	3222.6151
3334		3222.8917	all we, like I said, all we all the	3224.2512
3336		3224.3785	consumers.	3225.0721
3338		3225.3004	And when they built that overpass,	3226.8414
3340		3227.2761	and if you go in any major city in this country,	3229.4756
3342		3230.3916	Savannah, anywhere.	3231.5024
3344		3232.3234	And you	3232.7800
3346		3232.8546	can	3233.1048
3348		3233.2278	talk to anyone in those communities,	3234.8478
3350		3235.7083	when those overpass was built,	3237.6648
3352		3238.1697	it just	3238.6219
3354		3238.9336	the-	3239.0961
3356		3239.2585	the	3239.4297
3358		3239.5746	decline	3240.2595
3360		3240.6722	of the black communities in those areas,	3242.5585
3362		3243.0897	just	3243.3795
3364		3243.5507	went down, stores and everything.	3245.5570
3366		3246.1278	But the-	3246.4571
3368		3246.9663	but, as far as integration goes,	3248.5058
3370		3248.5892	overall,	3249.1687
3372		3249.7921	I think that's the- been the biggest /clux/. But,	3252.0268
3374		3252.2858	far as	3252.7819
3376		3253.2517	seeing the signs and all that stuff, to me,	3255.5287
3378		3256.6965	even now, y- you	3257.8029
3380		3260.2380	I	3260.5234
3382		3260.7999	always been	3261.6385
3384		3262.2443	/could just/	3262.8195
3386		3263.1663	people could say	3264.1497
3388		3264.4922	you can see all these signs, and I mean, you can s- you can see all this stuff,	3268.2180
3390		3269.5000	but,	3269.8907
3392		3270.3297	again, it has to get back to the-	3271.9991
3394		3272.1440	to the individual person.	3273.2225
3396		3273.5518	The- e-	3274.2235
3398		3274.5132	what a-	3274.8337
3400		3275.0884	what a person s-	3276.0894
3402		3276.6250	what a person say, don't really have to make you-	3279.0118
3404		3279.3410	you don't have to be that.	3280.4518
3406		3280.9215	You know?	3281.2201
3408		3282.1157	I think sometime we- we, um,	3284.0913
3410		3285.1084	we-	3285.3015
3412		3285.5606	we take on	3286.5089
3414		3287.0137	another person poison.	3288.4801
3415	VLD_int_01	3289.3669	Hm.	3289.6567
3416	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3289.7928	when we shouldn't	3290.7060
3418		3290.8289	because,	3291.3674
3420		3291.4947	what a person say about you don't define you.	3293.8479
3422		3294.4142	But, you can take what that person say about you and get so engrossed in it	3298.5176
3424		3299.0840	that it becomes	3299.9050
3426		3300.2298	part of you. In- instead of you in-	3301.8630
3428		3302.1352	instead of you	3302.8728
3430		3303.3304	moving a nege-	3304.0636
3432		3304.2041	on entertaining negative,	3305.3851
3434		3305.8987	my mama always told me,	3307.3256
3436		3308.1817	/RD-NAME-1/, you have one responsibility,	3310.0021
3438		3310.2085	that's how you treat people.	3311.5739
3440		3312.0919	How they treat you is not your responsibility.	3314.3397
3442		3314.7041	You don't act on that.	3315.7914
3444		3315.8792	You act on	3316.7485
3446		3316.9504	positive. You always entertain positive.	3319.0017
3448		3319.2509	The negative,	3319.8349
3450		3319.9358	you know it's negative,	3320.9105
3452		3321.0685	don't entertain that.	3321.8840
3454		3322.5601	Invest in your positive.	3323.7542
3456		3323.9737	If you invest in your positive, you gonna invest in you.	3326.3181
3458		3327.3449	you not gonna get a return out a	3328.9859
3460		3329.5830	negative.	3330.1230
3462		3330.4259	but you gonna get one out of a positive.	3332.1864
3464		3332.4455	So,	3332.7776
3466		3332.9839	don't entertain negative.	3334.0903
3468		3334.1825	You know?	3334.4942
3470		3335.0210	It's not your responsibility.	3336.4654
3472		3336.7991	Just do what you know the right thing to do.	3338.7396
3474		3340.2138	You'll be better off, no matter what you see going on around you.	3343.0537
3476		3343.6157	She said,	3344.1338
3478		3344.3884	it always come back to you, you got to invest in yourself.	3347.2890
3479	VLD_int_01	3347.7542	Do you feel like you've lived that	3349.0274
3480	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3349.5235	<ts> [Yeah.]	3349.9538
3481	VLD_int_01	3349.6772	[if your] life?	3350.2040
3482	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3350.5333	Mm-hm.	3350.8889
3484		3351.7566	Yeah.	3351.9981
3486		3352.3405	I try- that's my first thought every day.	3354.4128
3488		3355.4533	Praying to my God.	3356.5552
3490		3357.3966	And	3357.7435
3492		3357.9235	taking in,	3358.4942
3494		3358.6166	insight what my mama always told me.	3360.5752
3496		3361.2557	It's not	3361.8528
3498		3363.1327	I bl- I-	3363.5410
3500		3363.6419	I-	3364.0502
3502		3364.1380	I had a concept that if anybody gonna be hurt,	3366.7810
3504		3367.5844	I can take it.	3368.2605
3506		3368.3878	Let it be me.	3369.0815
3508		3369.2073	If you-	3369.5278
3510		3369.7473	if you have to cast your	3371.0205
3512		3371.4463	ugliness	3372.1620
3514		3372.3464	l-	3372.5307
3516		3372.7722	toward me, that's fine.	3374.0717
3518		3375.3171	/But the-/	3375.6071
3520		3376.1336	I just	3376.6341
3522		3377.0161	I won't never	3377.7493
3524		3378.2059	cast my positive	3379.3254
3526		3380.0059	which is positive	3380.8927
3528		3381.3653	towards you for ha-	3382.3663
3530		3382.5244	for negative.	3383.4683
3531	VLD_int_01	3383.9732	Mm-hm.	3384.3200
3533		3387.3697	Wa- are you a big-	3388.5595
3535		3389.3059	well, yes, cause I know, cause you come from church, but I'm gonna ask you anyway.	3391.6459
3537		3392.1639	Um.	3392.8796
3539		3393.0113	Are you a big church,	3394.4849
3541		3394.9415	religious, spiritual person?	3396.3420
3542	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3396.9961	Mm-hm.	3397.3254
3543	VLD_int_01	3398.6864	Did you grow up in church?	3399.7649
3544	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3401.8283	Uh, somewhat. My mom was always involved with church, I-	3405.0727
3546		3405.3302	I was in church,	3406.2654
3548		3406.3576	but I mean, you-	3406.8932
3550		3407.6044	you sort of	3408.2805
3552		3408.5132	as you get older, you sort of, you know, st- stray away from it, but you know.	3412.7176
3554		3413.4683	But, I- I am	3414.3288
3556		3414.6976	a	3415.0488
3558		3415.5098	big proponent of-	3416.4449
3560		3416.9849	of church.	3417.6683
3561	VLD_int_01	3418.1732	Um.	3418.5946
3563		3420.0259	When did we meet?	3420.9347
3565		3421.6151	I think I was.	3422.6732
3566	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3422.8005	Probably you might have been the sixth grade, maybe.	3425.2356
3568		3425.9468	Junior?	3426.4342
3570		3426.5527	What year? I don't [know. No, I think] you [wa-]	3428.5707
3571	VLD_int_01	3427.6795	[Maybe.]	3428.0922
3573		3428.4610	[When] I	3429.1063
3574		3429.3374	cause when I moved here, my mom didn't move here yet.	3431.5062
3575	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3431.7037	Mm-hm.	3432.1998
3577		3434.2151	I met you at Antioch. You [was probably] in	3436.5024
3578	VLD_int_01	3435.6112	[Mm-hm.]	3435.9668
3579	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3436.7351	[junior] high school maybe?	3438.0478
3580	VLD_int_01	3436.7351	[Um.]	3436.9415
3582		3437.9894	[Mm.]	3438.5439
3583		3438.6449	[It may] have been like fifth [grade.]	3440.1387
3584	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3438.7151	Uh.	3438.8820
3586		3439.9297	[Gra-] yeah. Fifth grade. [Yeah.]	3441.3811
3587	VLD_int_01	3441.2670	[Mm-hm.]	3442.0336
3588	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3442.0336	[Mm-hm.]	3442.4381
3589	VLD_int_01	3442.2123	[Cause] I moved here in the fourth [grade]	3443.9941
3590	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3443.7622	[Mm-hm.]	3444.2443
3591	VLD_int_01	3444.6593	I going with my	3445.4449
3593		3445.6707	grandma, but we didn't go as often, and then when my mom came,	3448.7166
3595		3449.3965	we went all the time. So, yeah. Probably fifth [grade,] so [it's been a long time.]	3453.9363
3596	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3451.5866	[Mm.]	3451.8185
3598		3452.0870	[Mm-hm.]	3452.4775
3600		3452.9168	[Long.]	3453.2036
3602		3453.8435	[Mm-hm.]	3454.3438
3603	VLD_int_01	3454.6734	Um.	3455.4178
3605		3455.6924	I just remember	3456.5166
3607		3457.2611	um,	3457.7492
3609		3458.1398	what that your- what was your home church?	3460.0131
3610	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3461.3412	My original church was Antioch.	3463.4464
3612		3463.7332	I mean uh,	3464.4105
3614		3464.5021	Hosanna.	3465.2099
3616		3465.8086	[That's my mom and them church]	3467.1144
3617	VLD_int_01	3465.8452	[Okay.]	3466.2052
3618	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3467.3134	[Down] in Lake Park.	3468.2043
3619	VLD_int_01	3467.3134	[Mm-hm.]	3467.8137
3620		3468.4972	And the how'd you end up at Antioch?	3469.6444
3621	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3470.5430	Um.	3471.2692
3623		3471.4339	My wife church. That was they family church.	3474.0756
3624	VLD_int_01	3474.0199	Oh.	3474.2640
3625		3474.3799	Okay. [Well, that's]	3475.1549
3626	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3474.7094	[Mm-hm.]	3475.1549
3627	VLD_int_01	3475.3197	an- and then now where do you go?	3476.6804
3628	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3477.1381	I'm a m-	3477.5183
3630		3477.6098	um, church at Pine Hill.	3479.4648
3631	VLD_int_01	3479.7211	[Oh. Mm-hm.]	3480.5083
3632	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3479.9591	[Um.]	3480.1361
3633	VLD_int_01	3480.6731	[Mm-hm.]	3481.2345
3634	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3480.6853	[Mm-hm.]	3480.9843
3635	VLD_int_01	3482.2108	Um.	3482.7844
3637		3482.8821	Couple last, last couple questions for you.	3485.0144
3639		3485.4965	Um.	3486.1189
3641		3486.2715	If you could leave one piece of advice,	3488.5562
3642	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3488.6172	Mm-hm.	3489.0688
3643	VLD_int_01	3489.9048	to anyone,	3490.4575
3645		3490.6371	it could be	3491.4033
3647		3493.4781	to your kids, it could be just any, some youth, it could be just anybody. What would that piece of advice be and who would you leave it to?	3499.4578
3648	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3500.5128	Mm. <ts> I would list	3501.9285
3650		3504.0130	to the world,	3504.7513
3651	VLD_int_01	3505.2826	Mm-hm.	3505.5934
3652	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3505.5934	What my mom always told me.	3507.2983
3653		3507.9451	I have one responsibility	3509.5988
3655		3510.6494	of how I treat people.	3512.0346
3657		3512.2237	Not how they treat me.	3513.3680
3659		3514.0332	That's-	3514.5518
3661		3515.4794	That's the greatest	3516.3093
3663		3516.5839	other than	3517.2410
3665		3517.3569	my savior	3518.1807
3667		3518.3149	that's the greatest advice I would k- I received.	3520.7567
3669		3521.3111	And it's always been a-	3522.4338
3671		3524.2222	it's been a, um,	3525.5403
3673		3525.9308	stabling force in my life.	3527.5845
3674	VLD_int_01	3529.1051	Like if-	3529.5262
3676		3529.8435	if everybody	3530.9663
3678		3531.5460	applied that	3532.4186
3680		3533.1999	I think we would be in a very different [situation.]	3535.2333
3681	VLD_se0_ag4_m_01	3534.8108	[Mm.] Mm-hm.	3535.7886