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1VLD_int_011.3433What's your birthday?2.0334
2VLD_se0_ag4_m_022.5137Ten, ten3.4976
4 3.8286sixty-one.4.5794 
6 7.3153How many people you done did this?8.5324 
7VLD_int_019.0686<ts>9.2738
9 9.6468Um. From Valdosta?11.0503 
11 11.8710Uh.13.4552 
12VLD_se0_ag4_m_0213.7630Take too long?14.5087
13VLD_int_0114.4773About ten.15.1289
14VLD_se0_ag4_m_0215.2967Okay.15.7670
15VLD_int_0115.8983Yeah, so I've done a lot. Mm-hm.17.3298
16VLD_se0_ag4_m_0217.3438Alright.17.8940
17VLD_int_0117.8940So, I'm doing it in Valdosta and in DC.19.6834
18VLD_se0_ag4_m_0220.3688Wow.20.7465
19VLD_int_0120.7465Mm-hm.21.1093
21 21.2361And how old are you Mr. /RD-NAME-1/?22.7469 
22VLD_se0_ag4_m_0222.8215Fifty-seven.23.7313
23VLD_int_0129.4487What are you doing here- Okay. Okay.31.3207
25 31.6704And where were you born?32.5097 
26VLD_se0_ag4_m_0233.8167L- uh, Valdosta.35.0043
27VLD_int_0135.0232You were born in [Valdosta?]35.8518
28VLD_se0_ag4_m_0235.7366[Lowndes.]36.3241
29VLD_int_0137.6950In South Georgia.38.3385
30VLD_se0_ag4_m_0239.0039Nope.39.3117
31VLD_int_0139.8339Where?40.0811
32VLD_se0_ag4_m_0240.9752Hudson Docket.41.6327
33VLD_int_0142.2248Oh, you were born at home.43.4559
34VLD_se0_ag4_m_0243.6330Mm-hm.43.9589
35VLD_int_0143.9455Mm-hm.44.4211
36 45.0552Um, what neighborhood do you claim?46.6080
37VLD_se0_ag4_m_0248.0051South side.48.7045
38VLD_int_0148.7045You s- south side?49.7677
40 53.3907How long have you lived in Valdosta?54.6066 
41VLD_se0_ag4_m_0256.0428Off and on?56.7422
42VLD_int_0157.6655Mm-hm.58.0105
43VLD_se0_ag4_m_0259.0084Mm.59.3581
45 63.8840It's hard to say, cause I've been66.0014 
47 66.2718traveling a lot.66.9759 
49 68.1790And shoot, I stay maybe sometime maybe five year, ten year72.0946 
51 72.9573leave, come back.74.1183 
53 74.5613Uh.74.8822 
55 75.8260So, I [wen-]76.3286 
56VLD_int_0175.9322[But], most of your life have you been?77.3115
57VLD_se0_ag4_m_0278.1217Uh. Yeah.78.6626
59 78.8119Most of my life.79.4880 
60VLD_int_0179.7258So, where are some other places that you've lived?81.5848
61VLD_se0_ag4_m_0281.9500I lived in82.8546
63 83.8338Maryl- Laurel, Maryland.85.3761 
64VLD_int_0185.6605Oh, that's where I live right now.87.1946
65VLD_se0_ag4_m_0287.4371Mm-hm.88.2904
67 89.2043I've lived in Orlando.90.6300 
68VLD_int_0193.3028Mm-hm.93.6572
69VLD_se0_ag4_m_0294.5151I lived in Tampa.95.7182
70VLD_int_0198.2805Mm-hm.98.6256
71VLD_se0_ag4_m_0298.9053St. Petersburg.100.0990
73 101.6145Hm.101.8942 
74VLD_int_01102.2160Virginia or Florida?103.2733
75VLD_se0_ag4_m_02104.8913Florida.105.3250
76VLD_int_01106.0990Mm-hm.106.4674
77VLD_se0_ag4_m_02107.2787Virginia Beach, /Virgingia/.108.6217
78VLD_int_01108.7336Oh.109.1113
79VLD_se0_ag4_m_02109.4179[<laugh>]110.5047
80VLD_int_01110.3038[You] have moved around. Were you in the military?112.2063
81VLD_se0_ag4_m_02112.4767No.112.8078
82VLD_int_01112.9850No. You just moved around a lot?114.3372
83VLD_se0_ag4_m_02114.6263Yeah.115.1159
84VLD_int_01116.3458Virginia Beach. Uh-huh.117.3385
85VLD_se0_ag4_m_02118.1876W- And New York.119.2368
86VLD_int_01119.5667And New York. New York City?120.6538
87VLD_se0_ag4_m_02121.5957Uh-huh.122.0200
88VLD_int_01122.9001Look at [you.]123.7395
89VLD_se0_ag4_m_02123.5809[I was] in Brooklyn. It's somewhere- [uh-huh, yeah.]126.1315
90VLD_int_01125.2275[Uh, Brooklyn?]125.7865
91 126.9289Alright. Where'd you go to high school?128.3313
92VLD_se0_ag4_m_02128.9048/RD-SCHOOL-4/.129.9885
93VLD_int_01130.9332[Wildcat.]131.8704
94VLD_se0_ag4_m_02131.0078[Um.]131.3855
95 131.9450Marching cat.132.7097
96VLD_int_01133.5957Oh, what'd you play?134.5490
97VLD_se0_ag4_m_02134.6936Trumpet135.1506
99 135.5422and tuba.136.1204 
100VLD_int_01137.0577[Oh.]138.3837
101VLD_se0_ag4_m_02137.6965[A- and-] and a- in the concert season, I played the French horn.140.7818
102VLD_int_01141.6305Okay. I'm'a ask you about that.143.4583
104 143.6122Cause I was in the band. [What do you] do?145.3503 
105VLD_se0_ag4_m_02144.6322[Okay.]145.0799
106VLD_int_01145.9985What's your occupation?146.9077
107VLD_se0_ag4_m_02148.1807Um.148.9827
109 150.4877I'm disabled.151.1918 
110VLD_int_01152.3622But you're also the little. You like to do the little.154.6488
111VLD_se0_ag4_m_02155.0433I like doing plumbing [though.]156.2249
112VLD_int_01156.0057[Mm-hm.]156.6445
113 160.0147That's your little,160.7281
115 161.2643you like to do it as a hobby?162.3788 
116VLD_se0_ag4_m_02162.8917Yeah.163.1153
117VLD_int_01163.3391Yeah.163.5583
119 164.5934Um. Where was your father born?166.3420 
120VLD_se0_ag4_m_02167.4248<ts>167.4936
122 167.7362Here. Valdosta.168.6688 
123VLD_int_01168.6688Valdosta.169.1864
124VLD_se0_ag4_m_02169.3682Mm-hm.169.8066
125VLD_int_01169.8800What about your mama?170.6214
126VLD_se0_ag4_m_02171.4701Hm?171.6985
127VLD_int_01172.0343Your mama was also born in Valdosta?173.1813
128VLD_se0_ag4_m_02173.2653Uh-huh.173.6476
129VLD_int_01177.7685What did your father do?178.5752
130VLD_se0_ag4_m_02179.9740Uh. He's disabled too now, but he used to mix paint.182.9245
131VLD_int_01183.0784Oh. He used to mix paint?184.0249
133 186.0300And what did mom do?186.7900 
134VLD_se0_ag4_m_02187.6061Housewife.188.3090
135VLD_int_01200.4633Oh, those wind-chimes are loud.202.4730
137 205.4394<ts> Okay.205.8964 
139 206.7730So, tell me about. I'm gonna close the door just cause the wind-chimes are a little loud. Hopefully that'll cut some of it.212.5398 
141 217.7098Mm. Not really.218.5958 
143 219.2812So, tell me a little bit about220.6929 
145 221.7095your childhood home.223.0990 
147 223.9756That was Hudson Docket?225.0341 
148VLD_se0_ag4_m_02225.7662No. Well, uh. W- Actually,227.5423
150 228.4562when I was born, I was born in Hudson Docket.231.0773 
152 231.5438/Well man/, my232.5368 
154 232.6720parents233.2969 
156 234.6209lost some- lost a kid. So,236.3648 
158 237.1622my mother,237.8477 
160 238.0761okay. My238.5937 
162 239.0041biological parents,240.4142 
163VLD_int_01240.5495Mm-hm.240.8572
164VLD_se0_ag4_m_02242.4927uh, she couldn't have me out there in Hudson Docket.245.1553
166 247.3142And I think I got them right. Biological is what? The, [uh-]250.2460 
167VLD_int_01249.8939[Mm-hm.]250.1247
168VLD_se0_ag4_m_02250.5025Which parents are that? That's the one that251.8733
170 252.6054birthed me?253.1044 
171VLD_int_01253.1044Bi- birthed y- mm-hm.253.9204
172VLD_se0_ag4_m_02254.0638Okay.254.3295
174 254.6326Yeah. She couldn't have me out there in-255.9849 
176 256.1108in Hudson Docket. So, and then my257.6728 
178 258.1904adopted parent,259.0251 
180 259.8271they had just lost some ki-260.9450 
182 261.1968a ch- a child,262.1387 
184 262.7096and so my mom still264.2510 
186 264.8153breast fed, you know,265.8924 
188 266.1255fi- for the milk.267.0011 
190 267.5933And they was all friends, so268.9362 
192 269.3931they adopted me.270.0599 
193VLD_int_01270.7081Hm.271.0018
194VLD_se0_ag4_m_02271.2117So, they go- had got me. I didn't find out about until way- tw- when I was twenty-one. But, anyway.275.3605
196 276.3257I was raised in a good family.277.4914 
198 278.8530And they came and picked me up from Hudson Docket, and281.4118 
200 281.8874I was raised on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street,283.3702 
202 284.2282over there in Little Miami.285.1668 
204 286.6377South Side.287.3232 
206 288.6475And I was raised in a good family. So.290.6618 
207VLD_int_01292.5491Tell me about your house.293.5517
208VLD_se0_ag4_m_02293.9294No-294.3304
210 294.7594[Well.]295.0307 
211VLD_int_01294.7594[If you] remember it.295.4401
212VLD_se0_ag4_m_02295.7013Dad was in the military.296.9801
214 298.5065And we did a lot of traveling.300.0972 
216 300.4283when I was small, so. But the house.302.3727 
218 302.7458The house is nice, i- w- we had- I had my own room.305.6916 
220 306.7360And then after /there/- mama done had me and I was coming up, she started having kids.310.6750 
222 312.0972And so the house was nice313.4541 
224 313.9531three be- two bedroom.315.2715 
226 316.3906We added onto it later on, so.318.5262 
228 319.4075It was nice. I had a nice childhood.320.9416 
230 321.5326I was blessed.322.3253 
231VLD_int_01322.3673Were there a lot of kids in the neighborhood?323.7568
232VLD_se0_ag4_m_02324.0879Oh yeah.324.7687
234 324.9132Yeah, we had plenty kids. We- we always had the street.327.5034 
236 328.0494It was just the neighborhood was just so nice that you could go to bed with the d- with the doors open at night.331.9383 
238 332.8277And the kids would all play together,334.5716 
240 335.1825everybody stuck together. South side.337.0476 
242 337.6725Little Miami.338.3428 
243VLD_int_01338.9536Why is it called Little Miami?340.0401
244VLD_se0_ag4_m_02340.7162Because it was just, uh,342.4601
246 342.6793the history is the like,343.8566 
248 344.3381Miami was so nice back then.346.1753 
249VLD_int_01346.2732Mm-hm.346.6183
250VLD_se0_ag4_m_02347.0146And347.5322
252 347.7327our neighborhood was just real nice, like Miami was just349.9196 
254 350.3754laid back, cool back then, of course, it's crazy now. But,353.2011 
256 353.8726back then, they just called it Little Miami.355.4953 
257VLD_int_01355.5559Now, where is this? Like I don't-356.9256
259 357.0142I don't know the n- I- I've never heard. So, I don't know the neighborhood. [Where, what part] and area?361.0989 
260VLD_se0_ag4_m_02359.7280[It's on-]360.3109
261 361.2155On the south side of town, by, they called it,363.4339
263 363.6857the club used to be Fifth Inn,365.1125 
265 366.3622and366.9544 
267 367.2808uh,367.6678 
269 367.8077Lake Park Road.368.9256 
270VLD_int_01368.9256Mm-hm.369.3406
271VLD_se0_ag4_m_02369.4432Yeah, li- down that way, going towards the school, uh,372.4928
273 373.6760Uh, south side- uh, Southeast Elementary, over in that way.376.3758 
275 377.9845So, it's on that side of town.379.4160 
277 379.6678Okay.380.0595 
279 381.7929And what is that? Troup Street?383.3084 
281 384.4275Or /wrong/ side-385.5792 
283 386.1190Church's?386.8277 
285 388.0774Yeah.388.3758 
287 389.1172It's389.3270 
289 389.4436Troup Street. It runs down to the south, to the old392.2621 
291 393.6884Lomax Pine Middle School.395.1474 
293 395.3572<ts> That area was Little Miami.397.1058 
294VLD_int_01397.1493Mm-hm.397.4278
296 397.5628Okay.397.9778 
297VLD_se0_ag4_m_02398.6567Alright.399.0437
298VLD_int_01399.4307Like where Harrington's is? The funeral home and stuff?401.6410
300 402.2052Or past that?402.7647 
301VLD_se0_ag4_m_02402.7694<ts> It's past that.403.7159
302VLD_int_01403.7159Past that. Okay.404.3516
303VLD_se0_ag4_m_02404.4340Come on down. Yeah. Yeah.405.5660
305 405.7198In that area406.5778 
307 407.3892to Forty-one.408.2993 
308VLD_int_01408.4896Mm-hm.408.8486
309VLD_se0_ag4_m_02410.4713And Eighty-four, yeah.411.6825
311 411.8691Coming up in that area, where the tobacco warehouses used to be.414.1912 
313 414.4003Excuse me.414.8813 
315 415.2123All up in there.415.8791 
316VLD_int_01416.9843So, tell me what you used418.1162
318 418.2654di-418.4426 
320 418.6384y'all were always ou- did you stay outside, right?420.4803 
322 420.5782Like when you were [young, you had to play outside.]422.4527 
323VLD_se0_ag4_m_02421.1937[Oh yeah.]422.1501
324 422.7587Yes, yes. Lord, [yes.]424.1995
325VLD_int_01423.8405[What'd] y'all do outside?424.8290
326VLD_se0_ag4_m_02424.9596Uh, we got to school. When we get out of school, you come home.427.8552
328 429.3555And429.8358 
330 430.0410you got your homework, do what you have- got to do, and then you go432.6522 
332 433.4309outside with the other fellas and stuff and-435.2832 
334 435.6563oh man, we had a-436.6588 
336 436.9759we- we was like,437.9131 
338 439.1348we'd go out there, we had a little440.4579 
340 440.8542wooded area, we called it little jungle.442.6401 
342 443.8525And we used to make bow and arrows,445.5498 
344 446.1886sling shots,447.4034 
346 448.2660man, we had a nice childhood. We- we- like, if we was in the wilderness,451.4321 
348 451.8256<ts> we were gonna survive.452.7768 
349VLD_int_01453.3410[<laugh>]455.1044
350VLD_se0_ag4_m_02453.9480[I'm serious. We-]454.9085
351 455.2862we went fishing (laughing)456.3167
353 456.3913in the canal, caught- and caught fish.458.4150 
355 459.6402And so, and then after that, when it start getting dark, you know, then you-462.8017 
357 463.1747Your parent, you can hear your parent, you can smell the food. They already cooking the stuff, when they're getting ready for us to come in and bathe and all this and eat.468.4146 
359 469.4078And if it getting too late, you can hear them. They come out the door, they'll call out your name.472.3396 
361 473.1277/RD-NAME-2/!474.0742 
363 474.9509/RD-NAME-1/!475.7202 
365 476.2005Y'all come home. (laughing)477.4729 
366VLD_int_01477.5059Mm.477.6861
367VLD_se0_ag4_m_02478.8162And we come out the woods, go home, and- and shoot.481.3342
369 482.2201And go home, bathe up, eat and483.7262 
371 483.8708get ready for school the next day.484.9841 
372VLD_int_01485.4458So, you said they started having kids, so you have some brothers and sisters?488.6743
373VLD_se0_ag4_m_02488.8888Oh yeah.489.2991
375 489.4530I got,489.8820 
377 490.0405uh,490.3995 
379 491.5513four brothers and two sisters.492.8058 
380VLD_int_01493.3354But you're the oldest?494.2073
381VLD_se0_ag4_m_02494.3239I am the oldest.495.1166
382VLD_int_01495.6761Um.496.3091
384 496.6355So, what it- was it like being the oldest? Did you have to babysit? Did you have to-500.5617 
385VLD_se0_ag4_m_02501.6151Well, we all took care of each other.503.2930
386VLD_int_01503.2604[Mm.]503.5588
387VLD_se0_ag4_m_02503.4282[Yeah.]503.8106
388 504.3188Um, mama, like I said, she was a house wife.506.1933
390 506.8275So, basically, she took care of everything, but509.1485 
392 510.2256we all just510.9064 
394 511.0509we- we all got together.512.4218 
396 513.1632I remember this time when, um,514.5544 
398 514.9625I think, okay.515.7360 
400 516.3554<ts>516.4583 
402 516.6469We was all on the sofa cause dad used to like to take518.6410 
404 518.8392pictures of everything.519.9863 
406 521.1548And, well we all had done fell asleep on the sofa and but and people had legs over somebody neck and somebody limb on their lap and this and that it was all. I think it was about528.8721 
408 529.7826four of us then.530.7694 
410 531.8838And everybody's on the sofa asleep533.3852 
412 533.6885in a- all together.534.7001 
414 536.2471And536.8813 
416 537.0911we ha- we came up in a good family, like I say.539.3151 
417VLD_int_01539.7723So, tell me about school. Where'd you start elementary school?542.4849
418VLD_se0_ag4_m_02542.7227/RD-NAME-6/543.9419
420 544.5994I went to kindergarten first.546.0158 
422 547.5545Um.548.1514 
424 548.8228Kindergarten was550.0305 
426 550.1424Ms./RD-NAME-3/.551.1345 
428 552.3049Well, that lady, she was- she taught us how to do the ABC's and555.7274 
430 556.3476One, Two, Three's and all of that. And557.9761 
432 558.9530and when you graduated,559.9322 
434 560.8344it was about twenty of us562.3289 
436 562.9398in a line563.7686 
438 565.0276and we had our cap and gown566.5244 
440 567.1166and your little diploma.568.2077 
442 569.4702And you had to count570.5786 
444 571.5563from one to a hundred572.6037 
446 573.5328and say your ABC's575.1652 
448 576.2157before you can-576.8312 
450 577.0271leave, you know, to graduate.578.2348 
452 579.3958<ts> And twenty-five of us,580.4870 
454 580.7531I was standing there like there asleep.582.1738 
455VLD_int_01583.1716[<laugh>]585.7922
456VLD_se0_ag4_m_02583.9550[<laugh>]584.4912
458 585.2420[But]585.7829 
459 586.2678we're graduated.587.1771
461 587.6189From kindergarten. I left kindergarten,589.2742 
463 589.3908and I think that's when I went to /RD-NAME-6/.591.7222 
465 592.9159Started at /RD-NAME-6/, that's when I started,595.2331 
467 595.8384uh, the Four H Club and learned a little bit about electrician,598.9719 
469 599.5454all this other stuff, and then, uh,601.1355 
471 602.2266talked my dad into /me/ buying- getting me a- renting me a trumpet.604.8425 
473 606.3988And started606.9210 
475 607.7697m- um beginning trumpet609.0240 
477 610.0638at /RD-NAME-6/.611.2622 
479 612.7205But,613.0796 
481 613.8023me, I just knew614.9680 
483 616.5581school was as good.617.7005 
485 618.4234But it just wasn't for me.619.3227 
486VLD_int_01619.5827It wasn't for you. Mm-hm.620.5059
487VLD_se0_ag4_m_02621.0422It really wasn't for me.621.9934
489 622.4550But, I- I- I graduated and left.624.5347 
491 626.3754<ts> Moved on.627.0981 
493 627.2175Okay, /RD-NAME-6/, but I was629.1078 
495 629.5275My main courses,630.5673 
497 631.9277<laugh>632.2821 
499 632.8137band,633.4059 
501 634.7185PE,635.1568 
502VLD_int_01635.2920[<laugh>]637.7526
503VLD_se0_ag4_m_02636.1640[lunch],636.6769
505 637.7526science.638.5361 
506VLD_int_01640.3804You like science?641.2570
507VLD_se0_ag4_m_02641.2570Love science, I love Star Trek, all that good stuff, man.644.1562
508VLD_int_01645.6110Why'd you- Why?646.2918
509VLD_se0_ag4_m_02647.1311Because that was just interesting. I just I always likeded649.5687
511 650.8650space.651.7323 
513 652.0493I wanted to be the first black astronaut, but653.8882 
515 655.9073these women.656.7140 
517 656.8772[<laugh>]658.1656 
518VLD_int_01656.8772[<laugh>]660.2452
519VLD_se0_ag4_m_02660.5856And right until a woman /girl ??/- Anyway.663.3026
521 664.7202But, um,665.2517 
523 665.5781yeah, those were my main courses.667.0330 
524VLD_int_01667.8198So, uh,669.0881
526 669.1721how'd you get into, let's go back a little bit. How did you get into like- how'd you get interested into-675.6645 
528 675.7875mm-mm. Before that. What was 4-H?677.6007 
530 677.7412Can you j- explain a little bit more [about]679.1537 
531VLD_se0_ag4_m_02678.9347[Oh], [4-H?]679.7244
532VLD_int_01679.5357[cause] a lot of people don't know about 4-H?681.1337
533VLD_se0_ag4_m_02681.1118Yeah. The 4-H Club682.5079
534 682.6615was683.2185
536 683.5961a little684.2766 
538 684.5795<ts>684.7244 
540 685.2205class like thing. It's a book and you could read687.5435 
542 687.6664and it teaches you about689.1899 
544 690.0240elect-690.5289 
546 691.1260e-691.2621 
548 691.4245it wa- it was just like a little club.692.9222 
549VLD_int_01693.1707Mm-hm.693.5878
550VLD_se0_ag4_m_02693.6361But, and then you- they g- they teach you695.7786
552 696.4371basic skills on electricity, you know.699.1163 
554 699.5685Circuits, batteries,701.2291 
556 701.6154<ts> uh, voltage,702.9281 
558 703.4901wattage,704.1529 
560 704.2715kilowatts,705.0881 
562 705.4349all of that, and then706.1637 
564 706.8574you just learn about707.7091 
566 708.0778I know that- that's the main thing I learned was the electrician part on that.710.7325 
568 711.5622<ts> But they taught other stuff too.713.0198 
570 714.0588But I was more interested in electricity.715.7578 
572 716.3417<sound effect>716.9300 
573VLD_int_01717.3147[<laugh>]717.7502
574VLD_se0_ag4_m_02717.3296[<laugh>]718.2296
575 718.6993Got shocked plenty time.720.0368
576VLD_int_01720.8798Did y'all like make circuits and batter- and722.5569
578 722.6798do batteries and [test batteries] and [stuff?]724.3569 
579VLD_se0_ag4_m_02723.4657[Well.]723.7203
581 724.1330[Yeah.]724.7520 
582 724.8618And you can725.5320
584 725.6724lik- learn to power up the battery,727.3891 
586 728.0652like,728.3286 
588 728.5964I loved to take /stuff up/ and put a battery in there. I'd get a little731.5012 
590 731.7910motor out of the battery,732.9720 
592 733.0949I mean out of a- a car,734.3198 
594 735.2022put two wires to it736.4227 
596 736.8530the negative and the positive and see it spin.739.0510 
598 740.4252Then, you make out what you- you come up with an idea of what you gonna do with the743.7251 
600 744.5242motor745.0247 
602 745.3144once you got it spinning.746.5700 
604 747.7159So, I made a little748.7652 
606 749.3563wooden boat.750.0720 
608 750.8095Put the751.3452 
610 751.8488motor to the back,752.7576 
612 753.4060and put a little fan off a little helicopter755.6768 
614 756.2607onto the motor.756.9544 
616 758.6052Put the wires together, and it start spinning, put it in the water and let it take off.761.2729 
617VLD_int_01762.8051Wow.763.1476
618VLD_se0_ag4_m_02763.6656Yeah, I'm real creative.765.2918
619VLD_int_01765.9266And crafty.766.7959
620VLD_se0_ag4_m_02767.1735<laugh>767.7778
621VLD_int_01768.2959So, how did you get into- how'd you cause we gonna come back to how that lead to like you liking to do like772.8837
623 773.0067plumbing and stuff like that. How'd you get into f- the band?775.2661 
624VLD_se0_ag4_m_02775.8149Yeah. In elementary, I just-777.5227
626 778.6247my-779.2510 
628 780.3310I just likeded to watch781.8588 
630 783.1496music.783.6149 
632 783.7422I've seen music.784.4930 
634 785.6066And my uncle Keith,786.9217 
636 787.7842he play the trombone.788.8818 
638 790.2866So,790.8530 
640 791.2100I didn't like doing my arm, while I listened to him, so I wanted something easy with three little valve thinking that was gonna be easy to play.796.7041 
642 798.9109But actually, I found out, that that's really what- that's about the hardest thing you can do, you know, cause you got803.3495 
644 803.5470your lips got to be in shape.804.8582 
646 805.0865But, anyway.805.5826 
648 805.9733That's why I got806.6802 
650 806.8250into band, because807.8919 
652 808.0148he played the trombone.809.1826 
654 810.5348I wanted to play the trumpet.811.6616 
656 812.1401So,812.4694 
658 813.6768el- an-814.0763 
660 814.5065immediate814.9587 
662 815.0246uh, what in /RD-SCHOOL-6/, we got in beginning,817.7231 
664 818.0875beginning band.819.0006 
666 820.9938<ts> And a friend of mine, God bless the dead, /RD-NAME-3/.823.4465 
668 824.5353He- me and him825.4748 
670 826.7099we were playing g- in the band together.828.3680 
672 830.5792Me and uh- playing the trumpet together in the beginning. So833.0026 
674 834.1880that's how I got interested in- in- in836.0172 
676 836.1358playing the trumpet.836.8294 
677VLD_int_01838.0850And then you played through middle school?839.6216
678VLD_se0_ag4_m_02840.3373Yes. I- ever since then, I was playing.842.8002
679VLD_int_01843.1894So, where middle school did you got to?844.3090
680VLD_se0_ag4_m_02844.7524Well, we went from s-845.6524
682 845.9421/RD-SCHOOL-6/847.4377 
684 848.2675to848.7372 
686 849.1411high school.849.8085 
687VLD_int_01850.1421Oh, it's- it went all the way to eighth grade.851.9509
688VLD_se0_ag4_m_02851.9509Uh-huh.852.4778
689VLD_int_01852.6534Oh, okay.853.1260
690VLD_se0_ag4_m_02854.4694Yeah.854.7460
691VLD_int_01855.9402Was it integrated? Or was it segregated?857.9246
692VLD_se0_ag4_m_02858.9196I can't remember.859.9250
694 860.1972But I think it was segregated.861.5099 
695VLD_int_01862.2870Mm.862.6821
696VLD_se0_ag4_m_02863.0860And w- it finally may have been integrated. I- I- I can't remember that well.866.7416
697VLD_int_01866.9524Mm-hm.867.4221
698VLD_se0_ag4_m_02867.7470Cause I really didn't pay attention to none of that.869.4592
699VLD_int_01869.8017N- <laugh>870.4646
700VLD_se0_ag4_m_02871.3104[<laugh>]871.6572
701VLD_int_01871.5519[Um.] When you got to- so,873.1324
702 873.3211was it different when you got to high school?874.7216
703VLD_se0_ag4_m_02875.7859Yeah, it was more enjoyable, we start, uh,878.4069
705 879.2323<ts>879.3508 
707 880.0137going on trips881.0850 
709 882.9713and meeting883.9064 
711 884.3630more women.884.9513 
713 885.2279<laugh>886.0576 
715 886.1586And more886.8435 
717 888.4181everything the- a- and the, uh, grades and the classes was more interesting.892.4879 
718VLD_int_01892.5713Mm-hm.892.9269
719VLD_se0_ag4_m_02893.2825You know, y- y- ya- it done got up now to895.1996
721 896.5035that's when I started thinking about the space thing really.898.5713 
723 900.1148Okay. We get into science and-901.5856 
725 902.9933and blowing stuff up and just (laughing) all kind of stuff. It was fun.906.2135 
727 907.9045And908.6860 
729 909.1558band was extremely fun, I really loved that.911.8470 
731 913.2431Um,913.7261 
733 913.8490yeah, that basic- I'm telling you- cause high school,916.1762 
735 916.8479it was okay, but917.6294 
737 918.2792I ba- barely got out, I think I only made it to the921.0040 
739 921.1401n-921.2103 
741 921.3245uh,921.6669 
743 921.9699I was a junior.922.8216 
745 923.2123Sophomore.923.8928 
747 924.9581I dropped out.925.5552 
748VLD_int_01926.2884Mm-hm.926.6703
749VLD_se0_ag4_m_02927.1225I made it though, I- I went the whole years and all my other friends graduated. I was still in the band with them and all that stuff, but,932.0601
751 932.8416you know, like, cause then, you could go to934.5757 
753 934.7952another grade935.6162 
755 935.9631by passing that class.937.2128 
756VLD_int_01937.5684Right.937.8186
757VLD_se0_ag4_m_02938.0074But in the other class, they still held you back.939.8074
759 940.3913You know, but you could still go through941.8401 
761 942.4401the whole school system, and make it up if you want to, but944.9469 
763 947.4055I just948.1606 
765 948.4065went on until I got tired. Until, you know, it was time for me to go, everybody has to go to /inaudible/952.6240 
767 952.7865Shoot, the class I'm in now, they graduated, I'm'a leave with them.955.7220 
768VLD_int_01955.8977Right.956.2313
769VLD_se0_ag4_m_02956.2928Mm. You know. So.957.2147
771 958.6855That's what I did.959.5504 
772VLD_int_01959.7918What'd you do, um.961.1337
774 963.3552So, let me go back. Go back to band. T- tell me about-966.3022 
776 966.3944cause I'm-966.7281 
778 966.9564I was in the band.967.6281 
779VLD_se0_ag4_m_02967.7686[Mm-hm.]968.2076
780VLD_int_01967.7686[I loved] the band.968.7724
781VLD_se0_ag4_m_02968.9524Yeah.969.2158
782VLD_int_01969.3651Uh, that was like me favorite971.0378
783VLD_se0_ag4_m_02971.2529Yes.971.8851
784VLD_int_01972.0432all the time. So, tell me a little bit about when you got to high school. First of all, how was it different from like middle school? You say you started going on trips, what w-977.8723
786 978.2104with the [marching band?]979.1806 
787VLD_se0_ag4_m_02978.7284[Yeah.]979.2070
788 979.4265Yeah.979.7909
790 980.1860It was a lot different because see,981.6785 
792 982.6079um,983.0733 
794 983.4240I'm gonna say, in elementary,984.6494 
796 985.0906they used to have little talent shows, so986.9417 
798 987.6617me and /RD-NAME-1/, we was up989.2275 
800 990.3909on the stage and we had this little992.1426 
802 992.2656thing that we had to play, like a duet thing together, and994.4783 
804 995.1967yeah, and we was in front996.2021 
806 996.2899of everybody, and we had fun. We- we played998.8846 
808 999.6529that. And so, you know, I'm saying shoot. This is nice, you know, people liked us playing.1002.9309 
810 1003.4358They enjoyed the, uh,1004.4148 
812 1004.6300playing that we did.1005.4861 
814 1006.9816I said, look like this gonna go somewhere.1008.5577 
816 1009.5851So, when we get to high school, yeah, okay. Now1011.4992 
818 1012.8411beginner band1013.7938 
820 1014.2372and we get to go on trips. We- we had to go to Douglas for band camp.1018.0524 
821VLD_int_011018.1446Mm-hm.1018.7050
822VLD_se0_ag4_m_021018.8367Yeah. For [<laugh>]1020.0704
823VLD_int_011019.5611[<laugh>]1021.1197
824VLD_se0_ag4_m_021020.9748[Enjoyed] that.1022.0241
825VLD_int_011022.4412It was hot.1023.1568
826VLD_se0_ag4_m_021023.3763Yes, lord.1024.3290
828 1025.3548But, we1026.1143 
830 1026.2636you know, you get to bond together and stick together, and get your, k- uh, uh, pride and all that good stuff.1030.6993 
832 1031.3811Cause we were the spirit band.1032.4612 
833VLD_int_011032.9485Mm-hm.1033.2997
834VLD_se0_ag4_m_021033.2997Yeah.1034.1165
835 1034.8143I enjoyed that. We'd say we are the spirit band, the mighty, mighty spirit band. Everywhere we go,1038.9748
837 1039.5895people wanna know who we are, so we tell 'em.1042.0700 
839 1043.9782And then, the uh,1044.6807 
841 1044.7860Big Band, they was down there, that's where my uncle played the trump-1047.2885 
843 1047.3763trombone.1047.9997 
845 1048.8675We had our field line here, and then they had they field.1051.0890 
847 1051.4490And1051.7102 
849 1052.5817it was nice.1053.4290 
851 1053.8285I enjoyed that and- and-1055.1221 
853 1055.5801it was away from home1056.5533 
855 1058.4763/and/ crazy when they did they little initiation.1060.4344 
857 1061.0958<laugh>1061.5392 
858VLD_int_011061.5787What?1061.8158
860 1061.9475The had an initiation?1062.9781 
862 1063.1285[To the Big] Band?1063.9629 
863VLD_se0_ag4_m_021063.1680[Yeah.]1063.5456
864 1064.1163[The big band] initiated us.1065.9031
865VLD_int_011064.1275[or to the sp-]1064.7379
866 1066.0480Oh.1066.3378
868 1066.4783How- h- what happened?1067.7189 
869VLD_se0_ag4_m_021068.1008Well, we1068.6189
871 1068.9174they- they stopped it because1070.5710 
873 1071.1242the, uh, older kids, the big band, they were doing crazy stuff, [they w-]1074.5750 
874VLD_int_011074.2038[Alright.]1074.5750
875VLD_se0_ag4_m_021075.2116Putting Nair on somebody head. And- and- all the [hair came] out.1078.4984
876VLD_int_011077.6511[Mm.]1077.9891
877VLD_se0_ag4_m_021080.2721Lord.1080.8516
879 1080.9929Me and,1081.6271 
881 1082.3296uh,1082.7423 
883 1082.8824/RD-NAME-3/, we1083.9276 
885 1084.2701/RD-NAME-6/1085.6881 
887 1086.8808he was gay.1087.5393 
889 1088.1584He played trumpet.1088.7818 
891 1089.0496We didn't want no gay person in our, uh,1090.9506 
893 1091.9384band group.1092.5838 
895 1092.8208In our1093.1721 
897 1093.2730trumpet section.1093.9388 
899 1095.3701But, god bless dead, we put that joker /RD-NAME-3/ in the dumpster.1098.4389 
901 1099.7501Told him, he's gonna hafta, uh,1101.0671 
903 1101.2954man up.1101.8750 
905 1103.7716We put him in there thinking he was gonna get out.1105.5130 
907 1106.4745Lord.1106.9925 
909 1107.1154Here come lunchtime, we /up/1108.3579 
911 1108.7662at lunch, everybody aksing, where's /RD-NAME-3/? Anybody seen /RD-NAME-3/?1111.3038 
913 1112.3823Me and /RD-NAME-1/ looked at each other, I said, um,1114.3359 
915 1115.3137you think he still in there?1116.3730 
917 1117.5349He said, I don't know. So, somebody had to say something.1120.0111 
919 1120.9462I said, sir, uh, um,1122.2633 
921 1122.6935We just initiated him and we uh, we- we put him in- out there in the dumpster, to1126.2437 
923 1126.7706thought he was gonna be done got out by now. Shoot, I don't know he might be still there, I don't know.1130.3823 
925 1131.6072Went there, he was still in there crying.1133.2403 
927 1134.7813Boy they had us run around the building about a hundred time with our trumpet over our head. (laughing)1138.4896 
929 1139.8989But,1140.3291 
931 1141.4252it was fun, uh, and1142.9508 
933 1143.8135he still gay.1144.7267 
935 1145.2403<laugh>1146.1008 
937 1146.8165Didn't break him.1147.6096 
939 1149.1989But, anyway.1149.8618 
941 1151.2755Yeah, we just enjoyed the band. [It was fun.]1153.0294 
942VLD_int_011152.6189[How'd you get] into the Big Band?1153.9715
943 1154.0505How wa- what was your initiation?1155.3832
944VLD_se0_ag4_m_021155.6598Okay, well,1156.4940
946 1156.6433I ran too much. <laugh> They couldn't catch [me.]1159.1721 
947VLD_int_011158.9174[<laugh>]1160.1715
948VLD_se0_ag4_m_021159.8771[<laugh>]1160.3556
949 1160.7009They couldn't catch me.1161.8223
951 1162.7135But boy, they, uh, I ain't even gonna1164.5399 
953 1164.6496uh- they- they did- they- they1165.8159 
955 1166.9127they initiated me by putting me in a room with a white girl.1169.4211 
956VLD_int_011170.3800Mm.1170.7268
957VLD_se0_ag4_m_021172.4434And nothing happened.1173.6712
959 1174.4690But, I told her you better say something happened. (laughing)1176.5073 
961 1177.5536You know, cause, I was- I'm being honest, I- I was really scared.1180.4570 
963 1180.6502Uh.1180.9926 
965 1181.4668I didn't have sex until I was1183.4644 
967 1184.6102what?1184.9160 
969 1185.9390Twenty?1186.4131 
970VLD_int_011188.0990You? Mr. Running man? [<laugh>]1191.5026
971VLD_se0_ag4_m_021189.7069[<laugh>]1190.6684
972 1191.5596<laugh>1192.0147
974 1192.6250Yeah. I think was about nineteen or twenty.1194.4718 
976 1195.4567Anyway.1195.7991 
978 1196.4708I told her, you better say- say something.1198.0937 
980 1198.7654<laugh>1199.9333 
982 1200.9299That's how I got initiated in the Big Band. Mm.1202.9471 
983VLD_int_011204.6337Um.1205.2327
985 1206.7938So.1207.7113 
987 1208.1460Then,1208.7650 
989 1208.9494after you left high school, what'd you do?1210.7040 
990VLD_se0_ag4_m_021211.7137Well, after I left high school, that's when I was trying to1214.3830
992 1214.9409figure out what I wanted to be.1216.2430 
993VLD_int_011216.2430Mm-hm.1216.6118
994VLD_se0_ag4_m_021217.4196Oh lord, I b- I went- when I went to Orlando,1220.2162
996 1220.5279I-1221.0723 
998 1222.1113Well,1222.3967 
1000 1222.7171first of all, I was here1224.2011 
1002 1225.1099and my dad worked at /RD-WORK-4/ mixing paint, so they let me1228.7918 
1004 1229.8103do delivering.1230.6181 
1006 1231.0177I delivered the paint to the auto shops.1233.0353 
1008 1234.4406And it boring.1235.3098 
1010 1236.4074So,1236.9430 
1012 1237.0703I w-1237.8650 
1014 1237.9616left, I went to Orlando,1239.5552 
1016 1240.6908I started doing irrigation.1242.0405 
1018 1242.9650That's how I got my earring.1244.0226 
1020 1244.6640Say, if you're on the earring- uh, if you're on the irrigation crew,1247.1167 
1022 1247.6435you had to have a earring in you.1248.9518 
1024 1250.1372And it was me, my cousin /RD-NAME-3/, uh1252.7479 
1026 1253.8630and some white- me and him was the only two black1255.6894 
1028 1255.8123and everybody else, it was about1256.8030 
1030 1256.9479six other white guys.1258.2167 
1032 1259.2264But, me and him, me and my cousin, we were the boss. We was over them,1262.1481 
1033VLD_int_011262.7782Mm.1263.1030
1034VLD_se0_ag4_m_021263.2216Yeah, we come over and just1264.6425
1036 1265.4406take over the place.1266.3284 
1038 1267.3030Try to take Orlando over, but they got a place for you.1269.6606 
1040 1270.6601Y- at Thirty-third Street Jail.1272.2011 
1042 1272.4820But I'll tell you about that later.1273.6762 
1044 1274.6026But, we enjoyed the, uh, irrigation crew.1276.8708 
1046 1277.2352We1277.7928 
1048 1277.9991did uh, Arnold k- Arnold Palmer Golf Course.1280.9011 
1050 1282.0762Putting down sprinkler systems out there.1284.0342 
1052 1284.6674<ts>1284.7806 
1054 1285.2635Okay.1285.9308 
1056 1287.0021I stay- I stayed there for about five years.1289.2133 
1058 1290.6978<ts>1290.7663 
1060 1291.7201Okay, that li- that taught me a little bit about plumbing.1293.7660 
1061VLD_int_011294.4142Mm-hm.1294.7391
1062VLD_se0_ag4_m_021294.9937And so, I say, oh this is interesting, I mean, this is da, da, da, da, it's okay.1298.4752
1064 1299.3972So then, I moved back home.1300.9806 
1066 1302.0079Came home, got bored again.1303.9616 
1068 1305.3577I went up to uh,1306.4801 
1070 1306.7479Maryland.1307.4265 
1072 1309.1230I got to Maryland1310.2118 
1074 1310.3435and1311.0065 
1076 1312.6030/stay got-/ got married.1314.1747 
1078 1316.9713[And.]1317.4982 
1079VLD_int_011316.9713[Excuse me.]1317.4982
1080VLD_se0_ag4_m_021317.7353Excuse you- bless you.1318.9542
1082 1319.5733So,1319.9640 
1084 1321.5401the wife I had, she was crazy.1323.1645 
1086 1325.0947She was money hungry.1326.4074 
1088 1329.3226I got to talk about this?1330.2254 
1089VLD_int_011330.6908Mm.1331.2528
1091 1331.4020[You- you brought it in.]1332.7265 
1092VLD_se0_ag4_m_021331.4284[Okay. Okay. I- Well] you was saying about [tell me about.]1334.1196
1093VLD_int_011333.5752[But, I was] just telling about when you moved. You- [you t-] you can1336.3071
1094VLD_se0_ag4_m_021335.4378[Yeah.]1335.8900
1096 1336.2939How did I get [interested i- in- in plumbing.] [That's]1338.9983 
1097VLD_int_011337.2215[to different places- mm-hm.]1338.4771
1099 1338.8772[So] you can move, so you married then y'all got a [divorce.]1341.6387 
1100VLD_se0_ag4_m_021341.5333[Yeah.] We got a divorce, I go- got married again.1343.8894
1101VLD_int_011343.9991Okay.1344.4056
1103 1344.5022And you still in Maryland1345.4040 
1105 1346.0143at this1346.3391 
1107 1346.4621[time?]1346.7132 
1108VLD_se0_ag4_m_021346.4840[Oh] no. I- I came- I [c-]1347.7387
1109VLD_int_011347.5192[Came back.]1347.8967
1110VLD_se0_ag4_m_021347.9972I came home.1348.5764
1111VLD_int_011348.5764Okay.1348.9583
1112VLD_se0_ag4_m_021349.7266I know /RD-NAME-2/ told me say I'd be a interesting character this. [<laugh>]1353.2637
1113VLD_int_011352.5919[<laugh>]1354.5456
1114VLD_se0_ag4_m_021354.3173[So,] anyway. (laughing)1355.3710
1115 1356.5988I've been through it child. I'm'a tell you.1358.1266
1117 1358.4910Up and down the East Coast.1359.5578 
1119 1360.3964So, anyway, uh,1361.3798 
1121 1361.8452I came back1362.6602 
1123 1363.0027Maryland, I was doing plumbing.1364.4119 
1125 1364.6885for myself.1365.4481 
1126VLD_int_011366.6817Okay, but I do wanna know. Go back to Mar- how'd you get into the plumbing outside of irrigation? So you just started to-1370.9739
1128 1371.2505decided to start doing plumbing?1372.6510 
1129VLD_se0_ag4_m_021372.7915Yeah.1373.1954
1131 1373.3315I- I-1373.8480 
1133 1373.9358when I was left the irrigation,1375.2310 
1134VLD_int_011375.2836Mm-hm.1375.6173
1135VLD_se0_ag4_m_021375.9422uh s-1376.4690
1137 1376.9607I already know a little plumbing because of1378.7827 
1139 1379.2086coming up in the neighborhood. I'm sorry. Lemme back up there.1381.3451 
1141 1381.9554Uh, my friend, /RD-NAME-2/ daddy was a, uh,1384.0056 
1143 1384.1022plumber.1384.5588 
1145 1385.4456His brother, /RD-NAME-2/ Junior, he was the first state black1388.4076 
1147 1388.9168master plumber in South Georgia.1390.5983 
1149 1392.0252And /RD-NAME-2/, his brother that- um,1393.9645 
1151 1395.3979he was a plumber. So, we all used to help them.1397.6081 
1153 1398.8139And that's how I actually basically got1400.9212 
1155 1401.2637into the plumbing. Because I said /nice people/ I like this.1403.5676 
1156VLD_int_011403.7827Right.1404.0242
1157VLD_se0_ag4_m_021404.8847I said, it's kind of crazy,1406.3949
1159 1407.6067crawling up under the house, <laugh>1409.2515 
1161 1409.5588and don't know what's under there.1410.6696 
1163 1411.6310But,1411.9383 
1165 1412.2940I l- I started liking it.1413.4442 
1167 1413.7779And that's when I start- when I moved and went to1416.3008 
1169 1417.0910Maryland.1417.6310 
1171 1418.4070And I was doing plumbing over there too.1420.1335 
1173 1420.7086And, well I was actually a handyman.1422.4193 
1174VLD_int_011422.6388Mm-hm.1423.1305
1175VLD_se0_ag4_m_021423.3018Had my own slogan.1424.3159
1177 1425.3432/RD-NAME-1/ the handyman. Plumbing, electrician, carpentry,1428.2920 
1179 1428.4369there's nothing I can't do1429.5257 
1181 1429.7320but have a baby.1430.4740 
1183 1431.7471One thing I ain't gonna do, have no plan with a man.1433.8786 
1185 1435.0208Okay.1435.5037 
1187 1436.2149Put them flyers out, people started calling me.1438.0457 
1189 1439.3393Putting on break shoes and doing everything, all this and that, but1442.4257 
1191 1442.9437that's when I got-1443.6462 
1193 1443.9184kind of got hurt.1444.6076 
1195 1445.4359From my knee and stuff and all that. And I1447.3325 
1197 1447.6310applied for disability,1448.6584 
1199 1450.1291and it came through when I was in Maryland. [So.]1452.1515 
1200VLD_int_011451.8444[Mm-hm.]1452.1599
1201VLD_se0_ag4_m_021453.5476But I still was doing my little plumbing, I done- I enjoyed that.1455.7471
1202VLD_int_011456.3135Mm.1456.5418
1203VLD_se0_ag4_m_021457.5632So, that's how I got interested in plumbing.1459.3676
1205 1460.6101Then, I wanted to open up my own1461.9579 
1207 1462.0852business so I started working for myself.1463.6906 
1208VLD_int_011466.2545How long that's been? This has been like thirty years.1468.3135
1209VLD_se0_ag4_m_021468.3135Yeah.1468.6779
1210 1468.8140M- e- exactly. I- I- I would say, uh,1470.8013
1212 1471.5037I'm'a say like, um,1472.5094 
1214 1474.0676thirty year.1474.8172 
1216 1475.5764Master plumber. Yup.1476.4457 
1218 1476.5993Uh, it /is/ thirty-two years. Something like that.1478.3862 
1220 1479.3353I'm fifty-seven.1480.2345 
1222 1480.7745/Thirty- forty-/ Yeah.1481.8134 
1224 1482.4281You're right.1482.7266 
1226 1483.3105You can add good can't [you?]1484.3335 
1227VLD_int_011484.1710[<laugh>]1486.2037
1228VLD_se0_ag4_m_021485.1808[<laugh>]1486.7350
1229 1487.6642[Yeah.]1488.1559
1230VLD_int_011487.7883[So, then you] left Maryland, you came back.1489.4203
1231VLD_se0_ag4_m_021489.9042Yeah. I came back here and- and- and1491.9579
1233 1493.0847um, lemme see.1494.3974 
1235 1496.0218/inaudible/1496.6375 
1237 1498.9852No, that was my last wife.1500.1647 
1239 1500.5861I skipped one.1501.2622 
1240VLD_int_011501.7101Okay.1502.1008
1242 1503.4662But she was in Maryland too?1504.4836 
1243VLD_se0_ag4_m_021504.6296No.1505.2339
1244VLD_int_011505.2339Oh, okay.1505.6735
1245VLD_se0_ag4_m_021505.6104She lived in New York.1506.4182
1246 1507.1305Yeah.1507.4379
1247VLD_int_011507.4774Okay.1507.8549
1249 1508.0525So, you left Maryland, and went to New York? Or you left Maryland, came here [then went to New York?]1511.6159 
1250VLD_se0_ag4_m_021510.7905[I w- I left New] York- Okay, went to New York1512.8188
1251 1513.4819and then went to Maryland. That's my te- cause Maryland was my last wife. I skipped one.1516.7182
1252VLD_int_011517.0247Okay.1517.3130
1253VLD_se0_ag4_m_021517.7205My first wife was my kids- oh god. We going way back.1521.1237
1255 1522.7964I'm skipping all over the place but [anyway.]1524.6300 
1256VLD_int_011524.3930[It's] alright.1524.9900
1257VLD_se0_ag4_m_021525.8857My children's- I star- I got married to1528.7701
1259 1529.3478girl name /RD-NAME-2/, we still married.1531.0907 
1261 1532.4132Man, this is crazy.1533.3326 
1263 1535.0668We still married.1535.9668 
1265 1536.2214We, uh,1536.9941 
1267 1537.6044got three kid1538.6028 
1269 1539.2167together.1539.8243 
1271 1542.7044Um.1543.3980 
1272VLD_int_011545.5565Two boys, a girl?1546.4697
1274 1546.6146Two girls one boy?1547.4400 
1275VLD_se0_ag4_m_021548.3444Two boys, one girl.1549.2604
1276VLD_int_011549.2604Mm-hm.1549.5912
1277VLD_se0_ag4_m_021551.5551<ts>1551.6305
1279 1551.9253She got on drug, went to prison. She killed a man, she went to prison, I had the kid.1555.7932 
1281 1556.5029Raised the kids1557.3238 
1283 1558.9395until they got about grown.1560.4629 
1285 1562.5380And then,1563.2360 
1287 1565.3478she- while she was in prison,1566.5244 
1289 1567.0556and I had went to Florida,1567.9892 
1291 1568.6346and the kids were about grown.1569.5829 
1293 1570.5839I called myself filing for a divorce.1572.2741 
1295 1573.6439So, I paid the man and1574.7838 
1297 1574.9551he said, well, here's your papers, you divorced.1576.8034 
1299 1578.1775That's when I came back1579.3980 
1301 1580.0902and I met the girl doing plumbing from New York.1582.1009 
1303 1582.4434[/RD-NAME-2/]1582.9395 
1304VLD_int_011582.4868[Mm-hm.]1582.7626
1305VLD_se0_ag4_m_021583.6068God bless, she's dead now, god bless the dead, but.1585.5078
1307 1587.3765We got married and I moved- went to New York for a little while and1590.7966 
1309 1592.2351we came back and1593.3063 
1311 1594.1624and me and her1595.0975 
1313 1595.6770and then the kids, they was still with me a little bit.1598.2253 
1315 1599.7234And her and my daughter didn't get along, so1602.2039 
1317 1603.1390anyway.1603.6599 
1319 1603.8236Me and her got divorced.1605.0375 
1321 1607.0712Then, I met the one from Maryland.1608.7527 
1323 1609.5458And I met her in1610.4019 
1325 1610.9682well, I moved to Maryland with her for a while. Then we got married up in Maryland.1614.0985 
1327 1614.8888And1615.3322 
1329 1617.0724she was a gold digger.1617.9813 
1331 1620.1969And so I left her,1621.4349 
1333 1623.0418came back home.1623.8057 
1335 1625.8325Come to find out1626.7193 
1337 1627.3515me and my wife was still married.1628.6907 
1338VLD_int_011631.3862Cause the papers was bogus.1633.1057
1339VLD_se0_ag4_m_021633.1320Yeah.1633.6501
1340VLD_int_011634.2076Mm.1634.7037
1341VLD_se0_ag4_m_021634.7784And I didn't know it.1635.7047
1343 1635.8510Ain't by- we did, but1636.9252 
1345 1637.0130all the other divorces was-1638.2935 
1347 1638.3901is legal, so.1639.2725 
1348VLD_int_011639.5403Right.1639.8696
1349VLD_se0_ag4_m_021639.9626But actually wasn't never married /to 'em/.1641.3652
1350VLD_int_011641.2893R- [<laugh>]1642.7600
1351VLD_se0_ag4_m_021641.6840[<laugh>]1642.7820
1352VLD_int_011643.1947Right.1643.5839
1353VLD_se0_ag4_m_021643.8561Crazy.1644.5498
1355 1645.0898Hey /RD-NAME-2/.1646.2444 
1357 1647.8073<laugh>1648.6722 
1359 1649.6674How you doing?1650.2951 
1360VLD_int_011651.9239You can say hey.1652.9425
1361VLD_se0_ag4_m_021653.6453[<laugh>]1656.4532
1362VLD_int_011654.2508[<laugh>]1656.7404
1363 1657.1907Oh, goodness.1658.0424
1364VLD_se0_ag4_m_021658.3322Yeah, so.1659.5264
1366 1659.9566Basically,1660.6722 
1368 1662.6507that's it, going up and down the east [coast on all of that,] so.1665.2673 
1369VLD_int_011663.7223[Coast. Mm-hm.]1664.4818
1370 1665.6273So, then you found out you was married, you came back here.1667.8185
1372 1668.6581I mean, you [found out you was still married.]1670.0542 
1373VLD_se0_ag4_m_021669.1674[Whe- when I got] here.1670.3791
1374VLD_int_011670.4888When you got back. [Okay. How'd] you find out?1672.3356
1375VLD_se0_ag4_m_021671.2506[Yeah.]1671.6961
1376 1672.7000I went to the court house. I was going cause I said I got to check on this cause I got all1676.6864
1378 1676.8928the other two divorces.1678.0645 
1380 1678.5035I said, I need my paperwork on1679.7767 
1382 1679.9567my first [divorce with my wife.] So, when I got there, they said sir,1683.2259 
1383VLD_int_011680.3399[The first one, mm-hm.]1681.4718
1384VLD_se0_ag4_m_021683.9677no, you don't have any papers, y- uh.1685.4606
1386 1685.9746You s- you and /RD-NAME-2/ still married.1687.6473 
1388 1688.9776I said, okay.1690.2404 
1390 1690.8287And I eased on out of [there.]1692.3127 
1391VLD_int_011692.1283[<laugh>]1693.9722
1392VLD_se0_ag4_m_021692.6419[<laugh>] Hey, cause he1694.8898
1393 1695.3420I couldn't say nothing about I been married1697.3512
1395 1697.7068twice.1698.1634 
1397 1699.1819I ain't wanna get locked up.1700.2224 
1399 1701.4517So, anyway.1702.0473 
1401 1702.5478That's how I found out I was still married.1703.9878 
1402VLD_int_011704.1458Mm-hm.1704.4839
1403VLD_se0_ag4_m_021705.1512And so.1705.7966
1405 1707.2366I ain't trying to get married no more.1708.5899 
1406VLD_int_011708.8770Mm.1709.0263
1408 1709.4741Mkay. You finished on that?1710.8966 
1409VLD_se0_ag4_m_021710.9449Yeah. I'm through on that.1712.0863
1411 1712.2883That's all I got to say about [that.]1713.7283 
1412VLD_int_011713.6449[So,] y'all still married now?1714.7453
1413VLD_se0_ag4_m_021714.8551Yes.1715.4214
1414VLD_int_011715.4214Okay.1715.7683
1416 1716.1722Okay.1716.4400 
1417VLD_se0_ag4_m_021716.6683Mm-hm.1717.0854
1418VLD_int_011717.5200Alright, so, we'll move on to something [else.]1719.1971
1419VLD_se0_ag4_m_021719.0171[Yes.]1719.5088
1420VLD_int_011719.5088O-1719.6273
1422 1719.8337You1720.2756 
1423VLD_se0_ag4_m_021720.4117[<laugh>]1721.0790
1424VLD_int_011720.4117[now, you] brought all that [up.]1721.8736
1425VLD_se0_ag4_m_021721.7156[I] had to [cause you started.]1723.4498
1426VLD_int_011722.4575[Oh, cause you had to give me the]1723.5332
1427 1723.6341about the plumbing.1724.2927
1428VLD_se0_ag4_m_021724.3322[Yes.]1724.9205
1429VLD_int_011724.8107[Okay. So, let's move] back to the plumbing real quick.1726.7359
1430VLD_se0_ag4_m_021725.0685[And that came.]1725.5812
1431 1726.7443Ok- thank you.1727.5817
1432VLD_int_011728.0690[<laugh>]1729.3071
1433VLD_se0_ag4_m_021728.4212[Yes ma'am.]1729.0384
1434VLD_int_011729.8822So, tell me what had been like, think about1731.8271
1436 1732.0492I know you've done like a lot of plumbing jobs and stuff like that1735.0330 
1438 1735.1911what's been the craziest1736.9296 
1440 1737.5618job you ever had to do?1738.7911 
1441VLD_se0_ag4_m_021741.0989Mm.1741.4852
1443 1744.5880Should I say it?1745.2465 
1444VLD_int_011745.8612[Say it.]1746.1421
1445VLD_se0_ag4_m_021745.9578[Ye-] Yeah I'll say it, okay.1747.3319
1446 1747.8821I crawl up under the house and a bunch of mess, /fleces/ and all this other stuff and all that, but-1751.6212
1448 1752.7173but, see, you charge enough to make you wanna do it.1754.7236 
1450 1756.1285So,1756.6641 
1452 1757.5319I told the lady six hundred dollars.1759.0861 
1454 1760.2890But, God is good. He'll put a ram in the bush for you.1762.2822 
1455VLD_int_011762.5456Mm-hm.1763.0285
1456VLD_se0_ag4_m_021763.9095So,1764.4187
1458 1765.0216I looked under there, I see- had- it's a trailer.1767.4173 
1460 1768.4754And it had the pipe came a-loose and it was like a big swimming pool of /fleces/ and mess, all this stuff, tissues, blah, blah, blah, blah.1774.4446 
1462 1775.6959I1776.1553 
1464 1777.2529strapped up, put my /rubbers/ on, everything on, mask,1780.3480 
1466 1780.4359gloves.1780.9846 
1468 1782.0148uh.1782.3836 
1470 1782.6163Everything. Got some bleach.1784.1836 
1472 1785.5490And, uh,1786.1022 
1474 1786.3920first of all, I- I told her, I say, uh,1788.3002 
1476 1788.6997I can fix it, I can come back,1790.2495 
1478 1790.3329let it dry up and c- and come. She said no, I need it fixed today.1793.5510 
1480 1794.9456So, I say, well,1795.8324 
1482 1796.5480uh,1796.9256 
1484 1797.1539it gonna cost you about six hundred dollars.1798.5851 
1486 1799.0768She say, fix it.1799.8100 
1488 1800.5768I said, oh damn.1801.7973 
1489VLD_int_011802.5612[<laugh>]1804.4710
1490VLD_se0_ag4_m_021802.9168[Okay.]1803.5754
1491 1804.6669So that's when I did all that suiting up and everything and I said, now, I sure don't wanna crawl in all this mess.1809.5271
1493 1810.6027But that's six hundred dollars, saying want more need more.1812.7217 
1495 1814.2100And that's when the lord ge- put the ram in he bush. I said, w-1816.4007 
1497 1817.1998who little swimming pool that is over there in the corner? It's a little small little kid's swimming pool. She say, you can have it. Use it if you wanna.1822.6554 
1499 1823.7749So, I got it, put the two bottles of bleach in there, and I1826.2627 
1501 1827.0354pushed it all the way up1827.8432 
1503 1828.1988until it got to all that sludge.1829.8407 
1505 1830.5943I got in there with my shovel like I'm on a- on a boat1832.8729 
1507 1832.9739and just scooted up under here,1834.5983 
1508VLD_int_011834.8398<laugh>1835.1383
1509VLD_se0_ag4_m_021835.1383slinging bleach.1836.0209
1510 1836.4862I got right up to the pipe,1837.5838
1512 1838.5788s- wired it up,1839.3559 
1514 1839.6939put it back together, glued it up.1841.0706 
1516 1841.1496Wired it back up under the hou- under the trailer.1843.1867 
1518 1844.0346<ts>1844.1340 
1520 1844.6384Backed up out of there, throw on some more bleach,1846.3287 
1522 1846.4165and I told her, I said, go flush the toilet three times with toilet paper.1848.8223 
1524 1849.8058I'm looking at it with the flashlight,1851.0643 
1526 1851.1916and she did it and1852.3813 
1528 1853.5492no leaks.1854.2560 
1530 1854.6116I said, now go get my cash.1856.0297 
1532 1857.9643She said, check or ca- I said cash.1859.6809 
1534 1859.9926I don't want no check.1860.7477 
1535VLD_int_011861.1077[<laugh>]1861.8848
1536VLD_se0_ag4_m_021861.7355[So,]1862.1467
1537 1862.7350she went and got me six hundred dollars.1864.1091
1539 1865.6637Now, another crazy one we had. (laughing)1867.3364 
1541 1868.6080It was easy.1869.3763 
1543 1870.0568We was gonna do this job for the lady free.1871.8481 
1545 1873.5251Wasn't getting the hot and cold water coming out of the1875.9383 
1547 1876.1095kitchen sink, so it's-1877.2115 
1549 1877.2773we already- we know it's the aerator.1878.6734 
1551 1879.1739Screw the top off, and1880.3373 
1553 1880.5700a little cap off the front,1881.5827 
1555 1881.8724and the water come out, had a little piece of rust in there.1883.7690 
1557 1885.0247We gets to the house, she say,1886.4559 
1559 1886.6958it's about time for y'all to get here.1888.4212 
1561 1888.6978Y'all probably out somewhere drinking.1890.0193 
1563 1890.3485You're ju- I've got to get my kitchen, I need to do these greens.1892.9505 
1565 1893.2139And y'all up there playing, cussing us out.1895.0929 
1567 1896.1729/RD-NAME-2/ say,1896.8578 
1569 1897.4769/RD-NAME-2/, I'm'a show you something.1898.8758 
1571 1899.4422People like this one here, this when you get paid.1901.2817 
1573 1902.5285He screwed the thing off, he showed me how the water come out, I said, that's it?1905.3588 
1575 1905.5388He said, yeah.1906.3115 
1577 1907.2861He said, but watch this. I want you to go outside.1909.4461 
1579 1910.2188I'm'a beat on the pipes,1911.3588 
1581 1912.1490and you- and I'm'a ask you, do you see it? And you say,1914.2827 
1583 1914.6427No.1915.0071 
1585 1916.0300So, I'm outside, she in there,1917.5080 
1587 1918.3817he beating on the pipe,1919.3915 
1589 1920.0193he said, do you see it?1920.9939 
1591 1921.0949I said, no!1921.9773 
1592VLD_int_011922.1661<laugh>1922.9505
1593VLD_se0_ag4_m_021923.1831He say,1923.6529
1595 1923.9383come on in.1924.6846 
1597 1925.6461I came inside,1926.6392 
1599 1928.2568he say- we say, well1929.0163 
1601 1929.3851ma'am,1929.7890 
1603 1929.9734we got to go get some parts.1931.2334 
1605 1931.5188We'll be back.1932.1773 
1607 1932.7481Well, hurry up! Y'all go get it and come on back, I got to get my kitchen ready.1935.8812 
1609 1936.9744Yes ma'am.1937.5188 
1611 1937.7383We went and did another job.1939.0159 
1613 1940.6651The other job's out, we came back1942.0206 
1615 1942.9206he'd say, well1943.6231 
1617 1944.1367/RD-NAME-2/, go out there and see, do you see it.1945.6075 
1619 1946.6398He beating on the pipes again.1948.0799 
1621 1948.2403Just making noise in there so she could thinks we really working.1950.7404 
1623 1952.4268You see it? I say, no!1953.8536 
1625 1954.9453He'd said, come one back in.1956.2975 
1627 1956.9999Come back in,1957.8034 
1629 1958.4926said, ma'am, it's rough in here.1959.7658 
1631 1960.2136We got to get some more parts, but uh, we'll be back again.1963.1799 
1633 1963.3380Hold on.1963.8604 
1635 1964.3829Said, y'all need to hurry up.1965.3751 
1637 1965.4761She just started cussing us out.1966.7916 
1639 1968.0736This time, we went and got drunk us a couple of beers.1970.1853 
1641 1970.9580Sit down under the tree.1972.1390 
1643 1973.0111Chill out.1973.5248 
1645 1974.5302Now,1975.0175 
1647 1976.0602we went back to the job,1977.3509 
1649 1978.9007and this time, he just screwed it back on.1980.4446 
1651 1981.1251You know.1981.4763 
1653 1982.8548He said, you see anything? I say, yeah!1984.6856 
1655 1984.8436<laugh>1985.3661 
1657 1985.9748So he said, come in.1987.0680 
1659 1987.5904I came in,1988.4290 
1661 1989.2324he said, ma'am, it were rough.1990.4178 
1663 1990.5627But we got you straight.1991.4539 
1665 1992.0626Come in here and check your water.1993.1558 
1667 1994.3982Came in there, she turned on.1995.3378 
1669 1995.5485It's about time for y'all so and so's to get through.1997.5900 
1671 1997.9968How much you owe me?1998.7475 
1673 1999.0018He said three fifty.1999.9592 
1675 2001.1973<laugh>2001.6670 
1676VLD_int_012002.0490Cause you was gonna do it for free.2003.1553
1677VLD_se0_ag4_m_022003.3793Yes.2003.8255
1678VLD_int_012003.8255Couldn't be [n-]2004.5675
1679VLD_se0_ag4_m_022004.4182[But she] cussing us out.2005.4499
1680 2006.2885Talking about we sorry so and so's and2008.2114
1682 2008.5319you probably somewhere drinking so we had us a couple of beers, cause she said that.2012.0075 
1684 2012.3563We were gonna do it for free.2013.3685 
1686 2013.9392So, he charged her three fifty. We split it.2015.7729 
1688 2017.3929R- that's what happened when people2018.7934 
1690 2019.6407I mean, not only us why-2020.6285 
1692 2020.7163r- other- other folk do it too.2022.0977 
1694 2023.7441But.2024.1129 
1696 2025.8207N- <laugh> check- that's- that's like I said, [craziest.]2028.4103 
1697VLD_int_012028.1188[Mm.]2028.3104
1698 2028.4813Mm-hm.2028.9761
1699VLD_se0_ag4_m_022029.5224And2029.9965
1701 2030.4268it just a lot of stuff I done went through. Went under houses, done seen snakes.2033.7722 
1703 2034.2815Only thing I'm scared of is spiders, though.2035.7578 
1705 2038.2385Can't stand them.2039.1164 
1707 2042.1595I had to bust a hole in the side of a house2044.1819 
1709 2044.7966to crawl up under there.2045.7537 
1711 2045.9468A brick wall.2046.7533 
1713 2046.9042Got to break the brick wall to2048.1069 
1715 2048.2693get up under there.2049.0464 
1717 2050.2302And after all this2051.3146 
1719 2051.5429breaking these bricks, you would think2053.2639 
1721 2053.4878all the noise and the2054.4914 
1723 2054.5805dust that I'm making s-2055.6463 
1725 2055.8571if anything's under there, they'll be gone.2057.3497 
1727 2058.5966So, all the- when I got the hole big enough to look under there,2061.0815 
1729 2061.8893I seen a spider about big as my hand.2063.7098 
1731 2064.8073I told the people, I said look, I'll- I- I'll be back.2067.0727 
1733 2067.9332Go get- I went and got about five bombs2070.0127 
1735 2070.7327and threw up under the house and2072.0586 
1737 2072.1815told them I'd be back tomorrow.2073.3449 
1739 2074.9307Man that was crazy, see that spider still sitting there after you done did all this beating on the wall.2078.8378 
1741 2079.8022And he ain't ran no where.2080.8734 
1742VLD_int_012080.8924<laugh>2081.1839
1743VLD_se0_ag4_m_022081.1588Like he's sitting there waiting on you.2082.5066
1744 2084.4120And so,2084.9652
1746 2085.1919that was crazy.2086.1051 
1748 2088.3354And. Shoot. It just2089.9466 
1750 2090.5261you just run into a lot of things doing plumbing, especially um- up under them houses.2093.9183 
1751VLD_int_012094.2407Mm-hm.2094.5513
1752VLD_se0_ag4_m_022094.5022I think that why I like it, it's interesting. I might come pot o-2096.8773
1753 2097.1276pot of gold one day under one of them, I hope.2099.0754
1755 2101.0729And then I'll retire.2101.9466 
1757 2102.0959Semi retired now.2103.1276 
1758VLD_int_012103.2374<laugh>2104.5836
1760 2104.9349So, tell me about-2105.8393 
1762 2106.3529tell me about your family. Not just your-2108.2320 
1764 2108.3593your kids, but like your family in Valdosta. Like, did y'all have family traditions? Did y'all go to church together?2113.2398 
1765VLD_se0_ag4_m_022113.5251Oh, of co- every day.2114.5832
1767 2115.0222And night.2115.6178 
1769 2116.4475Church2116.9919 
1771 2118.0500day2118.4276 
1773 2119.5603church at night2120.3637 
1775 2121.1803on Sundays.2121.9915 
1777 2123.0402Wednesday,2123.9183 
1779 2124.0676bible study.2124.8095 
1781 2127.3910Um.2128.3290 
1783 2129.5808Yeah, well our family, we had a good tradition. Christmas, we all got together,2133.0178 
1785 2133.9928Uh, we used to go2134.9967 
1787 2135.3918get together for family reunions in Jacksonville. Used to go to the beach.2138.9743 
1789 2139.7382That was fun.2140.5972 
1791 2140.7069You know, we likeded that because everybody2142.6913 
1793 2142.7748got-2143.0557 
1795 2143.5299made food, and we all went to the beach,2145.4441 
1797 2145.8963got together2146.6674 
1799 2147.4401prayed, do all that. Go to2148.8450 
1801 2149.0557play in the water2149.8021 
1803 2150.1709Get to know everybody.2151.1060 
1805 2151.8567And then,2152.4758 
1807 2153.3263it got crazy because, hey, everybody want- it's all about money now.2156.5488 
1809 2158.4849This much for a family, this much for a shirt.2160.7795 
1811 2160.9815This much for this and that.2162.1317 
1813 2162.5620Where the extra money go at?2163.5805 
1815 2163.8132Somebody tell me that.2164.6210 
1817 2165.9585All these people spending all this money,2167.4117 
1819 2169.0361and it- I know it's gonna be something extra.2170.6913 
1821 2171.9717I just stopped going.2172.9771 
1823 2174.6498So, you know, now they doing the Facebook2176.6302 
1825 2176.7537stuff and all that. So,2177.7357 
1827 2178.4821I don't do that.2179.3338 
1829 2180.9159But, we- our family traditions, got together on Christmas, everybody get together, but then, when we got married,2186.3364 
1831 2187.0828people started venturing off. You know, you ma- i-2189.0393 
1833 2189.6390you didn't gather up anymore.2190.8876 
1835 2191.4496You got a different family, you got to go with them.2193.5481 
1837 2193.9081Go with them, but then you'll stop by2195.6364 
1839 2196.4222later on and say hey.2197.4935 
1841 2198.3628You know. But,2199.0915 
1843 2199.3286family still stick together.2200.6325 
1845 2202.6066Um.2203.0149 
1847 2203.6032What else?2204.0818 
1849 2205.3242<ts>2205.4515 
1851 2205.8774Oh, I got two families too. I forgot.2207.7374 
1853 2207.8691Yeah.2208.1457 
1854VLD_int_012208.3959Mm-hm.2208.6901
1855VLD_se0_ag4_m_022208.7822[Yeah.]2209.2740
1856VLD_int_012208.7866[Oh. Yep.] That's what we did. Yep. Tell me about that.2210.9467
1857VLD_se0_ag4_m_022211.3637Yeah, I never did meet-2212.8477
1859 2212.9822I met my m-2213.7198 
1861 2214.2993uh,2214.7515 
1863 2214.8613biological mother when I was twenty-one.2216.9862 
1865 2218.8261And that was crazy.2219.8007 
1867 2220.6261Enjoyable2221.3089 
1869 2221.4099and2221.7567 
1871 2221.9104scary.2222.7489 
1873 2224.5138Uh. I went to this2225.6553 
1875 2225.9889job corps, Summersville, Kentucky2227.6002 
1877 2229.1967I had two birth certificates.2230.6236 
1879 2231.8880And2232.5158 
1881 2232.9285when I got there, it was so- it was not- I was like2235.0518 
1883 2235.4486I went /unintelligible/ in job corps, and2237.1636 
1885 2238.0212I met this little girl again. There we go again, no [women, all women, /such and such/.]2241.4074 
1886VLD_int_012240.2534[Hm.]2240.4685
1888 2240.5952[Mm-hm]2241.4074 
1889VLD_se0_ag4_m_022241.7543So, we's talking.2242.5577
1891 2243.6719And the lady called me to the desk. She say,2245.6343 
1893 2245.7046cause me and her like, okay. Y- yo man, you gonna be together. A- yeah, yeah, yeah.2248.9095 
1895 2249.8977She called me to the desk, she say, Mr. /RD-NAME-4/, come to the desk, I get there, she say,2253.9323 
1897 2254.9098we got a problem. I say, what's wrong? She said, what's your mother's name?2257.7723 
1899 2258.7689I say /RD-NAME-3/.2259.8050 
1901 2260.0816They say, what's your father name? I say /RD-NAME-3/.2262.8767 
1903 2264.0269She said, yeah, but you got a original birth certificate says that your mother name is /RD-NAME-7/.2268.5738 
1905 2269.6889I said, I don't know her.2270.6240 
1907 2271.9411She said, and plus, it says that you're a year older, so you won't be able to be here.2276.1235 
1909 2276.6987We got to send you back home.2277.7699 
1911 2279.3796I say what2280.2752 
1913 2281.6713the hell going on?2282.2904 
1915 2283.4626Look back at the girl, I said, damn I need to stay. (laughing)2285.9811 
1917 2286.4728But,2286.8240 
1919 2287.1182I had to go home.2287.8118 
1921 2288.5538I called mom,2289.6865 
1923 2290.1518she said2290.7254 
1925 2291.3620uh,2291.8669 
1927 2292.6352they gonna send you home? I said, yes ma'am.2294.3387 
1929 2295.2211Said, I'll tell you about it when you get here.2296.6289 
1931 2297.7220Alright.2298.1435 
1933 2298.2840I gets back to Valdosta, they done made arrangement for me to meet my mother.2301.9718 
1935 2303.5659Okay.2304.1673 
1937 2304.2683/RD-NAME-7/, okay, so,2306.4663 
1939 2307.2917I get to meet her, and2308.7756 
1941 2308.9875But she- she was taking s- a while. Guess she getting herself ready to meet me too, you know, cause it's2313.4509 
1943 2313.9645I had- in my first time, really.2315.4484 
1945 2315.6592She used to come and see me when I was smaller, they told me, but2317.9582 
1947 2318.2347I didn't know who she was, [so.]2319.5870 
1948VLD_int_012319.4069[Mm-hm.]2319.8152
1949VLD_se0_ag4_m_022320.7504So, I guess she was getting a-2321.8990
1951 2322.3792prepared to see me, so I'm looking around at all the pictures in the house,2325.5211 
1953 2327.2421and I'm like2327.7645 
1955 2328.4362okay, I know them, I-2330.0021 
1957 2330.0899I know her.2330.9547 
1959 2332.5045Now, who is that? Who is that?2333.9665 
1961 2334.7260So, when she finally came in the room, I-2336.6123 
1963 2336.8186I gave her a hug and2337.8284 
1965 2338.5001talked a little bit, aksed some questions, and this and that, and so.2341.1986 
1967 2342.2260I got straight to the pictures. I say, we- well- wh- who- who is this?2345.5011 
1969 2346.2475Well, that's your brother /RD-NAME-1/.2347.4752 
1971 2347.9582Well who is that?2348.8055 
1973 2349.3894That's your sister /RD-NAME-2/.2350.6714 
1975 2351.0182Your sister, um,2352.1392 
1977 2353.0512god, what her name?2353.7713 
1979 2354.9742Allo- uh,2355.6810 
1981 2355.9181/RD-NAME-2/2356.5312 
1983 2357.5015Can't think of my other sister name cause I hadn't been around, so.2360.2937 
1984VLD_int_012360.3026Mm.2360.5483
1985VLD_se0_ag4_m_022360.9479I said, well who is this lady right here?2362.5020
1987 2363.4268Oh, that's your brother wife.2364.4937 
1989 2364.9415I said, oh thank god.2366.0917 
1991 2366.1839Cause I had been with her.2367.2595 
1993 2368.2705And I was like /now/ I hope I wasn't with my sister.2370.5288 
1994VLD_int_012370.9239[<laugh>]2372.9874
1995VLD_se0_ag4_m_022371.3278[So.]2371.9074
1997 2372.7733/they- though/ they have to tell people wha- what, you know,2375.2276 
1998 2375.5613y- you coming up adopted, don't know people-2377.7696
2000 2378.1867but then I say, oh that's your brother wife, well I say okay.2380.6848 
2002 2382.3252Oh, thank god. It wasn't my sister.2383.9189 
2004 2385.2404<ts> So, that's how I got to meet my other family.2387.4296 
2006 2387.5481And I still stop by and see her.2389.4403 
2008 2389.9628She's around down the street from us. I can see her every now and then.2392.8501 
2010 2394.8433But, I just didn't2395.8838 
2012 2396.4896spend too much time with my fam- wi- with my- uh,2398.7199 
2014 2399.0473biological family.2399.9258 
2016 2401.5805So, that's how I got2402.5244 
2018 2402.8537two mothers.2403.5835 
2020 2403.9995Okay.2404.4781 
2022 2404.7807They're still living.2405.6136 
2023VLD_int_012406.0911Mm.2406.5301
2024VLD_se0_ag4_m_022407.8252And a daddy.2408.8745
2026 2410.1286Okay. What else? Let's move on.2411.3623 
2027VLD_int_012411.3623Oh.2411.5686
2029 2411.9286<laugh>2412.4072 
2030VLD_se0_ag4_m_022412.4862<laugh>2412.8155
2031VLD_int_012412.8857Oh.2413.3511
2033 2413.6891The next thing I wanted to ask you is2415.8492 
2035 2416.2296thinking about,2417.0286 
2037 2417.3535cause you've been in and out of Valdosta2419.1930 
2039 2419.6847a lot.2420.1808 
2041 2421.0370Um, have you seen it change any?2422.6203 
2042VLD_se0_ag4_m_022423.4106Yeah. A lot.2424.5389
2044 2425.2413When I was up in Maryland, lith- like you say, you know.2427.8184 
2046 2428.6141When I came back here, i- it's like I'm in the country.2430.9278 
2048 2432.1044You know, I loved it up there, i- i- a- it's2433.7551 
2050 2433.8341you don't hear all these trains.2435.2024 
2052 2435.6678The trains are starting to blow the horns more.2437.7663 
2054 2438.8639Oh lord, and this craziness with these people.2441.1234 
2056 2442.7200<exhale>2443.3046 
2058 2443.6829It- yeah.2444.1922 
2060 2444.2624It's a lot changed that2445.4171 
2062 2446.2014I don't like.2446.8468 
2064 2448.2209But,2448.5151 
2066 2448.5985I gotta live here until I leave again.2450.4073 
2067VLD_int_012450.7015Besides the trains, what's some other things you don't like?2452.6843
2068VLD_se0_ag4_m_022453.5520T-2454.2555
2070 2454.3356traffic.2454.8998 
2072 2456.0061Nosey people.2456.9237 
2074 2459.3632Drama, drama, just2460.5398 
2076 2461.5539Westside, period.2462.5769 
2078 2463.0510[<laugh>]2464.4559 
2079VLD_int_012463.9905[Why don't] you like the Westside?2465.1920
2080VLD_se0_ag4_m_022467.0359Wild wild west. It's crazy.2468.7788
2082 2468.8930It- I mean, it ain't as crazy as it used to be, they ain't all that shooting and stuff like they used to, but2472.9832 
2084 2473.6637it goes on, but2474.4671 
2086 2474.8754it just these folks over here is just too nosey.2477.4905 
2087VLD_int_012478.3686Mm.2478.7373
2088VLD_se0_ag4_m_022479.4222I mean, cause I don't care. As long as they don't put their hands on me, I-2482.1310
2090 2482.4032I don't care what they say. They could talk about me,2484.2281 
2092 2484.7022point their fingers at me,2485.7822 
2094 2486.1861an m- might even throw a rock at me, but it better not hit me.2488.6754 
2096 2489.7583But, yeah, I don't care, cause they don't do nothing for me,2492.0369 
2097VLD_int_012492.4759So, how was- how is it different from the Southside?2494.2408
2098VLD_se0_ag4_m_022494.7705We stayed, I told you, it was like2496.1447
2099VLD_int_012496.2632Look- [l- oh- /inaudible/]2497.4705
2100VLD_se0_ag4_m_022496.6451[nice.] Yeah, we didn't w- y-2498.6208
2101 2498.7481we didn't do anything, yeah, everybody helped out each other.2501.1042
2102VLD_int_012501.1129But what about the rest of the Southside?2502.6320
2104 2502.8691Cause doesn't it [have a] reputation?2504.2213 
2105VLD_se0_ag4_m_022503.2905[Well.]2503.5364
2106 2504.3442Well, some of it, I don't know nothing about that part, but we was- our neighborhood where we were2507.6881
2108 2508.1095that's where we stayed at.2509.0095 
2109VLD_int_012509.1281Mm-hm.2509.4881
2110VLD_se0_ag4_m_022509.8437We didn't- we didn't go2511.0598
2112 2511.1915all out there2511.9423 
2114 2512.6563adventuring.2513.2139 
2116 2513.6486And our neighborhood was nice.2515.2422 
2118 2515.5276Uh.2516.0500 
2120 2516.1818Back- especially back then.2517.3188 
2122 2518.4515Now, now?2519.1568 
2124 2519.4510I don't know. I ain't been over there in some [year.]2521.6245 
2125VLD_int_012521.1676[Oh, that's wha-] mm-hm.2522.1115
2126VLD_se0_ag4_m_022522.4496So.2522.9105
2128 2523.8413And then,2524.3988 
2130 2524.5349shoot.2525.0339 
2132 2526.5079We used to race up and down the street.2528.2641 
2134 2529.0088Ra- ride the bicycles, you know, like I said, we was doing stuff that2532.0761 
2136 2532.2736kids do.2532.8707 
2138 2533.0419M- make cakes,2534.1702 
2140 2535.2151bow and arrows,2535.9834 
2142 2536.6463steal your mama grease in a pan, after you kill a bird, go out in the woods and cook him.2540.2010 
2143VLD_int_012540.3184<laugh>2541.0175
2144VLD_se0_ag4_m_022541.0175You know.2541.6454
2145 2542.0350That what kids supposed to do back then, you know, ye- suppo- they should do that now, but their laptop computer and all that stuff,2547.3106
2147 2547.9911ain't doing nothing.2548.9526 
2149 2551.1067Shoot.2551.9326 
2151 2553.1750But I loved, like I said, the science stuff. I loved that, so.2556.0112 
2153 2556.7531I was always doing some kind of experiment and stuff and all that with2559.7063 
2155 2561.3614chemicals and2562.1516 
2157 2562.4238the batteries and /sh-/2563.9165 
2158VLD_int_012564.7818Do you do cars? Do you work on cars?2566.4194
2159VLD_se0_ag4_m_022566.7662Yeah, I did that too.2567.7832
2161 2568.7052Like, I say, I was the handy man, it wasn't nothing I can't do2570.7423 
2163 2571.4008but have a baby.2572.2438 
2165 2573.5242But,2573.8008 
2167 2573.9983I just did not.2575.2101 
2169 2575.8368I mean, I- I did until it get to the point now, I'm getting too old for all that.2578.9710 
2170VLD_int_012579.6998Mm-hm.2580.1081
2171VLD_se0_ag4_m_022580.1871I just love my plumbing.2581.2979
2173 2581.5920That's it.2582.1628 
2174VLD_int_012582.5623Cause that's your main thing that you wanna do.2584.2130
2175VLD_se0_ag4_m_022584.2438That's the main thing I like doing. Plumbing.2586.2633
2177 2587.4296I got another see (laughing)2588.8652 
2179 2589.1023I got another, uh, slogan.2590.8657 
2181 2592.8984Uh. The P- /RD-NAME-1/ the plumber,2594.5228 
2183 2594.6457he lay pipes, screw it tight, do it right, they'll call you back all night.2597.3793 
2185 2597.4583<laugh>2603.1860 
2187 2603.3616Oh. [/Terrible/.]2604.1679 
2188VLD_int_012603.8104[/RD-NAME-2/] when you came up with that?2605.1952
2189VLD_se0_ag4_m_022606.1527Slogan?2606.7015
2190VLD_int_012606.7015Mm-hm.2607.2766
2191VLD_se0_ag4_m_022607.2766Oh, that be- uh,2608.1020
2192 2608.4137ooh, it been about two- four years ago.2610.5634
2194 2611.9727[<laugh>]2613.1888 
2195VLD_int_012612.8815[Say it again.]2613.6059
2196VLD_se0_ag4_m_022614.1722I'd say, /RD-NAME-1/ the plumber man, he lay pipe,2616.3175
2198 2616.7478he screw it tight,2617.4941 
2200 2617.9200he do it right,2618.5829 
2202 2618.8288and they'll call you back all night.2620.0668 
2204 2620.9317<laugh>2621.8529 
2206 2622.3214But see2622.8899 
2208 2623.5166I'm just being serious now. [I'm being] honest with you. Plumbing2625.9044 
2209VLD_int_012624.3371[Mm.]2624.7086
2210VLD_se0_ag4_m_022626.1151ain't nothing but like sex, seriously.2627.7907
2212 2628.4229You got a male adapter, you got a female adapter,2630.6663 
2214 2631.5444you got the uh, lubricant, you got the glue.2633.8745 
2216 2634.4844You got2635.0551 
2218 2636.7015the uh,2637.1976 
2220 2637.3337caulking.2637.8605 
2222 2638.2425You got2638.8044 
2224 2639.8566the screw. You got to screw it together, you got to glue it together, you got to s-2642.4073 
2226 2642.5698make sure it's tight.2643.3951 
2228 2644.2073That's a- I mean.2645.0547 
2230 2645.5141That's all it is. (laughing) <laugh>2646.6336 
2231VLD_int_012646.5195[That's i-]2646.8839
2232VLD_se0_ag4_m_022647.0024<laugh>2647.3844
2234 2647.7400Be honest.2648.3546 
2236 2649.0703And that's what they taught me whe- when I was doing the plumbing. They say, hey, you know, and always remember,2653.4195 
2238 2653.9288S-H-I-T always flow downhill.2655.9071 
2240 2657.1936You know.2657.6063 
2242 2658.2341Got to make sure you follow up proper.2659.6346 
2244 2661.0220And then, you got to learn about a little Christian part of it too.2663.2215 
2246 2664.5963Go to heaven,2665.2373 
2248 2665.8256it's cold.2666.4534 
2250 2667.4105That's right.2667.8654 
2252 2669.2425Go to Hell.2669.8176 
2254 2669.9186Hot.2670.2742 
2256 2670.6869That's left2671.1610 
2258 2672.2586So,2672.6625 
2260 2673.2640don't ever get your pipe cro- crossed up.2674.9586 
2262 2675.2089Put the cold2675.9113 
2264 2676.0562on the hot2676.6620 
2266 2678.0585cause it ain't hot in Heaven.2679.1194 
2267VLD_int_012679.9712Mm.2680.2697
2268VLD_se0_ag4_m_022680.5331Yeah.2680.8492
2270 2680.9678So, you always had your2681.7887 
2272 2682.2761cold on the right side, think about heaven2683.8566 
2274 2683.9663on the right2684.3966 
2276 2684.5019go right, turn right, keep straight.2685.7253 
2278 2686.9326You wanna go Hell, it's hot.2688.0214 
2280 2688.3375It's on your left side.2689.4307 
2282 2690.3994Go turn left2691.1194 
2284 2691.4048and be bad, you gonna burn.2692.5946 
2286 2693.4068Okay. Got it?2694.2058 
2288 2695.4209Well, plumbing's e- pretty easy. Simple.2697.1809 
2290 2699.6558Especially when now, we got the PVC pipe that you could just2702.3230 
2292 2702.5375glue and screw and2703.6519 
2294 2704.4388You know.2704.8678 
2296 2706.3559And they have even made it easier now, with these picks.2708.8359 
2298 2709.6892But, it's more expensive.2710.8631 
2300 2712.3086And the thing about it is, some people don't wanna pay.2714.5654 
2301VLD_int_012715.2789Mm-hm.2715.6799
2302VLD_se0_ag4_m_022716.5926[It's li-]2717.0589
2303VLD_int_012716.5926[Is it better?]2717.2221
2304VLD_se0_ag4_m_022717.5812Hm?2717.9029
2305VLD_int_012717.9915Is it better?2718.6910
2306VLD_se0_ag4_m_022719.0034It's a lot better.2719.9406
2308 2720.4116[Shoot.]2720.8359 
2309VLD_int_012720.4116[Oh .]2720.6261
2310VLD_se0_ag4_m_022720.9058Back a days, they used to have to, uh, heck,2722.8305
2312 2723.0589they galv-2723.6698 
2314 2724.3599cast galvanized pipe,2725.6981 
2316 2726.5748that's an iron pipe.2727.5913 
2317VLD_int_012727.6939Mm.2728.0156
2318VLD_se0_ag4_m_022728.3947They- and they have to do a measurement,2730.1899
2320 2730.9033they had this machine that2732.0819 
2322 2732.2917had to thread it,2733.5291 
2324 2734.9024to- to screw it in, to make sure that everything alright.2737.9233 
2326 2738.3523Now, all we do is just glue,2739.8538 
2328 2739.9564cut, and screw.2740.6745 
2330 2742.0127And- and2742.5769 
2332 2742.7448wire it up, band it up,2743.9467 
2334 2744.9492shoot, you'd be finishing by-2746.1555 
2336 2746.2674you could do a whole house in less than a day.2748.1573 
2338 2749.9979And back then, it probably took them a week,2751.8118 
2340 2753.0428maybe two.2753.7423 
2342 2756.5515But, that's why I like it so much, it's- it's real easy now,2758.8829 
2344 2761.3624<ts> simple. All you gotta do is just2762.9184 
2346 2764.5938you can just watch it.2765.3678 
2348 2765.5310Just look at it as an observer, you can-2767.0651 
2350 2767.1537and- and you would see how it work, it's e-2768.6783 
2352 2769.0280it's easy.2769.7648 
2354 2770.4549Sometime.2771.2009 
2356 2771.2709Anyways, yeah.2771.9517 
2358 2773.8821Sometime you have to work on it for a whole week, for real, until you get it right.2777.0424 
2360 2778.9495It's all good. I love it.2780.0966 
2361VLD_int_012780.5850What's- what's the fave-2781.3871
2363 2781.5036besides plumbing.2782.3882 
2365 2783.0144What's your favorite thing you love to do?2784.2920 
2366VLD_se0_ag4_m_022785.4531Watch Star Trek.2786.2645
2367VLD_int_012787.0793Why?2787.5130
2368VLD_se0_ag4_m_022788.0818Because I wanted to be the [first black] astronaut.2790.4552
2369VLD_int_012789.3315[Firs-]2789.6626
2370VLD_se0_ag4_m_022790.5858[And tha-]2791.0241
2371VLD_int_012790.5858[So, tell me a] little bit about [Star Trek.]2792.0488
2372VLD_se0_ag4_m_022791.6012[But-]2791.8576
2374 2792.0255But see,2792.7622 
2375 2793.0980the- all it's doing is showing you what the future's gonna be.2795.9750
2376VLD_int_012796.2454Mm.2796.5438
2377VLD_se0_ag4_m_022796.8003Okay, go back to2798.1525
2379 2799.5643uh, the Star Trek the Next Generation is the update.2801.7232 
2381 2802.4926Back in the day, when we had Star Trek,2804.2085 
2383 2804.3146we had2804.6736 
2385 2804.9348dial phones,2806.0632 
2387 2807.3362And Captain Kirk2808.2874 
2389 2808.4739always had pulled out his little phone, little-2810.5244 
2391 2810.8462ain't nothing but the- uh, cell phone.2812.6227 
2393 2813.2662Flip phone.2814.0076 
2395 2814.9449Say Kirk say2815.9800 
2397 2816.4592Kirk beam me say- what he say, Scotty, beam me up.2818.3477 
2399 2819.7290Everybody, oh that's so fake, find that ain't nothing.2821.9439 
2401 2823.4162Now after a while, what you see?2824.5726 
2403 2825.5938Flip phone come out.2826.5357 
2405 2827.9754So,2828.3577 
2407 2828.5070they were teaching you2829.4069 
2409 2830.0410that what is gonna- the future gonna be.2831.4959 
2411 2832.9693Now,2833.5988 
2413 2833.9113Star Trek Next Generation and Voyager,2836.1017 
2415 2836.9363those are2837.5798 
2417 2837.8596Star pe- i- in the ships going through2839.9439 
2419 2840.8007galaxies.2841.6960 
2421 2842.1809And that's what it's gonna be in the future.2843.6777 
2423 2845.0300They already trying to send people to Mars.2846.7261 
2425 2847.5887They might be there, we don't know.2848.8757 
2426VLD_int_012849.0436<laugh>2849.5518
2427VLD_se0_ag4_m_022850.4238You know.2850.8808
2429 2851.0719I mean, it's a lot of stuff. I- I mean, I- I've seen a UFO before.2853.9804 
2430VLD_int_012855.1928Tell me about that.2855.8503
2431VLD_se0_ag4_m_022856.4191<laugh> It was scary. <laugh>2857.9019
2433 2858.6235We was in the woods.2859.6354 
2435 2859.8172At k- we used to camp out2860.9923 
2437 2861.6404in the woods, and stuff, you know, with a fire and all that.2863.9952 
2439 2864.8800And seen some strange lights come up and it just came and stopped.2867.7663 
2441 2867.9617And it wasn't no sound.2869.0579 
2443 2870.3402You know, I don't know if it was military or something or whatever, but I know2873.2581 
2445 2873.7290it came up over them trees and it just stopped.2876.0278 
2447 2877.4489And we tried to put the fire out and stuff (laughing), we couldn't put it out, but2880.6290 
2449 2880.9041it just stood there.2881.7807 
2451 2883.0821And I wasn't drinking, I wasn't smoking.2884.6814 
2453 2885.1337<laugh> So, (laughing)2885.9358 
2455 2886.2470I know it was real.2887.2822 
2457 2889.3805And after a while, we seen it move on a little bit more, and it went u- up into the air2892.6993 
2459 2892.8485and it just zoomed off.2894.0236 
2460VLD_int_012895.5437When was this? How long ago?2896.6162
2461VLD_se0_ag4_m_022896.8120Oh man, I think I was about,2898.4407
2463 2898.6412what,2898.8651 
2465 2899.3220twenty-five2900.3339 
2467 2902.0207round about twenty-five.2903.1445 
2469 2903.4102We were back there on the farm. This wa- this was here.2905.4153 
2471 2906.7058Out there in Mineola.2907.7223 
2473 2907.9088Out there on our farm.2908.8180 
2475 2910.0817<ts> We used to go out there and camp out on the farm.2912.0681 
2477 2913.9927But,2914.2911 
2479 2915.8066Uh. Yeah. That's so every- I- I just- I believe in the UFO's. I believe in the- in the2919.7736 
2481 2920.3191Star Trek, because2921.4848 
2483 2922.0397Apollo2922.7998 
2485 2923.2008Thirteen2923.9329 
2487 2925.4099capsule, uh2926.3611 
2489 2926.4497spaceship.2927.1864 
2491 2927.8206A rocket really wa- it was a rocket.2929.4479 
2493 2930.7197And they went up2931.3446 
2495 2932.0114went to the moon.2932.8320 
2497 2933.6574I remember, my grandmother2934.8791 
2499 2935.2055She used to say, /RD-NAME-1/, are they going up there for real?2937.5824 
2501 2938.6315I'd say, yes ma'am.2939.7040 
2503 2939.8392She'd say, they ain't supposed to be doing that. Trying to go up there with God.2942.6323 
2505 2943.5731I say, yes ma'am, but that's just the future, g- my dear.2946.1610 
2507 2946.8930They going up there.2947.8536 
2509 2948.8291That's science.2949.5578 
2511 2950.1466And everything else about to change too.2952.1423 
2513 2954.1334She said, well I don't wanna be here when it change. And so she-2957.0838 
2515 2957.8159she passed on.2958.8206 
2517 2961.2933But2961.6243 
2519 2961.7829that's the future, you got these cars going now, what,2964.0491 
2521 2964.2682uh, by theyself.2965.5039 
2523 2965.5878Hell, how many fatalities now?2967.1021 
2524VLD_int_012967.6430A lot.2968.1233
2525VLD_se0_ag4_m_022969.1071E-2969.2330
2527 2969.3589really?2969.7506 
2529 2970.1423I know, I heard- read about two.2971.9189 
2530VLD_int_012973.5651They- well, I don't know if there's fatalities, but they having a lot of accidents. You know, they trying to get it2977.4446
2532 2978.0601tweaking the technology and getting it right, but.2979.8868 
2533VLD_se0_ag4_m_022980.0687Yeah, I know that. Tha- see, that's what's happening with the space program.2982.7872
2535 2983.5659Lot of people died until they got it right.2985.1361 
2537 2986.5770And that's wha- how life goes, you know, you gonna,2988.3815 
2539 2990.2094they gonna keep on doing stuff until they try to perfect it, so somebody gonna die.2993.6075 
2541 2994.3489Somebody got to be the crash dummy.2995.6125