Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DCA_int_01 0.5630 That's what this whole /??/ is supposedly about. 2.8930 2 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 3.0396 Yeah. 3.8204 3 DCA_int_01 4.9824 I'd like to ask you one more question about that, and then we'll move on to something else 8.4817 4 DCA_int_01 8.4817 (pause 0.17) 8.6503 5 DCA_int_01 8.6503 You don't have to answer any of these cause they're not on the questionnaire. 11.2932 6 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 11.2712 [Okay.] 11.7257 7 DCA_int_01 11.5168 [But] uh, what do you- what do you think 13.3446 8 DCA_int_01 14.3783 of the white kids in your school now? 16.6496 9 DCA_int_01 16.6496 (pause 0.47) 17.1188 10 DCA_int_01 17.1188 Are they 17.5293 11 DCA_int_01 17.5293 (pause 0.85) 18.3797 12 DCA_int_01 18.3797 open-minded, do you find? Or? 19.8680 13 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 20.5424 [A majority-] 21.4868 14 DCA_int_01 20.6181 [/unintelligible/] 21.8497 15 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 21.9487 of the uh, 22.7075 16 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 22.7075 (pause 1.03) 23.7411 17 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 23.7411 white kids at my school- 24.8518 18 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 24.8518 (pause 0.45) 25.3050 19 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 25.3050 I would say the ones who play sports are the most open minded. 28.0249 20 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 28.0249 (pause 0.62) 28.6407 21 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 28.6407 The others, 29.2382 22 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 29.2382 (pause 0.42) 29.6547 23 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 29.6547 because they associate with me, and other 32.0080 24 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 32.0080 (pause 0.59) 32.5945 25 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 32.5945 Negro students, and they 33.8482 26 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 33.8482 (pause 0.37) 34.2184 27 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 34.2184 realize that 34.8255 28 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 34.8255 (pause 0.75) 35.5718 29 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 35.5718 we're no- not that much diff- no different at all. 37.6480 30 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 37.6480 (pause 0.26) 37.9120 31 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 37.9120 You know, we're just people. 39.1692 32 DCA_int_01 39.3072 Mm-hm. 39.7361 33 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 40.3666 Uh, 40.6818 34 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 40.6818 (pause 0.12) 40.8028 35 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 40.8028 at our school- our school is extremely liberal. The people at our school, 43.7939 36 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 43.7939 (pause 1.04) 44.8336 37 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 44.8336 uh- 45.0865 38 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 45.0865 (pause 0.16) 45.2478 39 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 45.2478 unfortunately, they don't understand all the problems that are going on. 48.2082 40 DCA_int_01 48.0903 Mm-hm. 48.5118 41 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 48.6664 They are sympathetic with most of the cause. 50.8988 42 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 50.8988 (pause 0.33) 51.2323 43 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 51.2323 Most- 51.5769 44 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 51.5769 (pause 0.83) 52.4090 45 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 52.4090 The- This is- That phrase I just used as a phrase, I would have been shot down for at Southeast. 56.4471 46 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 56.4471 (pause 0.29) 56.7404 47 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 56.7404 They hate to be 57.5051 48 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 57.5051 (pause 0.89) 58.3995 49 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 58.3995 the- have sympathy for. 59.9134 50 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 59.9134 (pause 0.52) 60.4339 51 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 60.4339 Uh, 60.7382 52 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 60.7382 (pause 0.27) 61.0058 53 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 61.0058 that 61.3613 54 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 61.3613 (pause 0.11) 61.4700 55 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 61.4700 s- excuse me- for whites to have [sympathy for] them, that's the big thing. They don't want sympathy, they want 66.3965 56 DCA_int_01 63.6583 [Mm-hm.] 63.9589 57 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 66.6774 people to help. 67.2822 58 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 67.2822 (pause 0.68) 67.9640 59 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 67.9640 Help because they 68.8548 60 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 68.8548 (pause 0.58) 69.4303 61 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 69.4303 feel deeply that it's- it's necessary 71.4780 62 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 71.4780 (pause 0.13) 71.6100 63 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 71.6100 to help. It's- it's a 72.8013 64 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 72.8013 (pause 0.40) 73.2008 65 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 73.2008 cause worth while, not 74.3298 66 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 74.3298 (pause 0.14) 74.4655 67 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 74.4655 sympathy for someone, you know, sympathetic cause [because] 77.3636 68 DCA_int_01 77.0813 [Yeah.] 77.4076 69 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 77.9904 in most- 78.3130 70 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 78.3130 (pause 0.30) 78.6172 71 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 78.6172 in the most cases- like 79.8035 72 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 79.8035 (pause 0.32) 80.1261 73 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 80.1261 a few people at my school, 81.3981 74 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 81.3981 (pause 0.78) 82.1788 75 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 82.1788 are- I feel are bi- 83.3665 76 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 83.3665 (pause 0.23) 83.5937 77 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 83.5937 big put ons. They're 84.7984 78 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 84.7984 (pause 0.56) 85.3629 79 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 85.3629 acting as if they accept me and 87.3753 80 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 87.3753 (pause 0.76) 88.1377 81 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 88.1377 my fellow uh, 88.9250 82 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 88.9250 (pause 0.39) 89.3167 83 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 89.3167 black students, 90.1928 84 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 90.1928 (pause 0.53) 90.7243 85 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 90.7243 because 91.2741 86 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 91.2741 (pause 0.44) 91.7177 87 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 91.7177 say a social status 93.0043 88 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 93.0043 (pause 0.34) 93.3402 89 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 93.3402 uh, 93.6701 90 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 93.6701 (pause 0.16) 93.8277 91 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 93.8277 requires this. 94.8026 92 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 94.8026 (pause 0.23) 95.0374 93 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 95.0374 Th- um- 95.7228 94 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 95.7228 (pause 0.58) 96.3056 95 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 96.3056 the social s- 96.9618 96 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 96.9618 (pause 0.15) 97.1121 97 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 97.1121 the social code 98.1958 98 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 98.1958 (pause 0.65) 98.8409 99 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 98.8409 is becoming now, where you- 100.3988 100 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 100.3988 (pause 0.11) 100.5087 101 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 100.5087 because everything now is centered around 102.1253 102 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 102.1253 (pause 0.25) 102.3768 103 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 102.3768 accepting the Negro as people, 104.0080 104 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 104.0080 (pause 0.62) 104.6275 105 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 104.6275 the social code ha- wa- h- has required 106.6216 106 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 106.6216 (pause 0.47) 107.0931 107 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 107.0931 that these people accept 108.1231 108 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 108.1231 (pause 0.77) 108.8893 109 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 108.8893 um, 109.2008 110 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 109.2008 (pause 0.87) 110.0732 111 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 110.0732 accept us socially. It's no- if not, you know, 112.3189 112 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 112.3189 (pause 0.40) 112.7148 113 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 112.7148 we- when we come to their homes, it doesn't really matter as much. 115.5080 114 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 115.5080 (pause 0.43) 115.9355 115 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 115.9355 But, 116.1664 116 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 116.1664 (pause 1.10) 117.2624 117 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 117.2624 it seems to me a lot of people 118.5344 118 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 118.5344 (pause 0.38) 118.9193 119 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 118.9193 give 119.2345 120 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 119.2345 (pause 0.25) 119.4874 121 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 119.4874 big fake smiles because they're trying to 121.8321 122 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 121.8321 (pause 0.48) 122.3123 123 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 122.3123 um, 122.6715 124 DCA_int_01 123.1906 Mm-hm. 123.6663 125 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 123.7015 uh, 124.1267 126 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 124.1267 (pause 1.07) 125.1994 127 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 125.1994 uh, how can I say it? 126.1451 128 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 126.1451 (pause 0.48) 126.6253 129 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 126.6253 They're trying 127.2998 130 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 127.2998 (pause 0.34) 127.6370 131 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 127.6370 to impress. They're trying to impress 129.4392 132 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 129.4392 (pause 0.29) 129.7324 133 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 129.7324 their neighbors with how liberal they really are. You know, twenty dollar this. 132.9215 134 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 132.9215 (pause 0.31) 133.2354 135 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 133.2354 And their neighbors are doing it because they're trying to impress them, and so on and so forth. It's no real 137.5388 136 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 137.5388 (pause 0.47) 138.0103 137 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 138.0103 big feeling of 139.0512 138 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 139.0512 (pause 0.59) 139.6415 139 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 139.6415 these people aren't different. 141.0307 140 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 141.0307 (pause 0.18) 141.2140 141 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 141.2140 It's just that these people are different, but we don't anybody to [know it, you know?] 144.5593 142 DCA_int_01 143.8620 [] 145.1019 143 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 145.0244 That's- 145.5711 144 DCA_int_01 145.9046 Yeah. [/unintelligible/] 147.1656 145 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 146.2199 Unfortunately, that's the feeling I get, 148.0073 146 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 148.2969 but 148.4802 147 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 148.4802 (pause 0.22) 148.6965 148 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 148.6965 honestly, the majority of the students at our school are real good about this. They- 151.5300 149 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 151.5300 (pause 0.70) 152.2324 150 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 152.2324 Most of 'em- 152.9252 151 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 152.9252 (pause 0.82) 153.7463 152 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 153.7463 Unfortunately, this is another thing. 155.4691 153 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 155.4691 (pause 0.34) 155.8050 154 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 155.8050 They- 156.0909 155 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 156.0909 (pause 0.80) 156.8937 156 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 156.8937 they work more 157.8284 157 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 157.8284 (pause 0.39) 158.2206 158 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 158.2206 in uh, 158.7521 159 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 158.7521 (pause 0.34) 159.0894 160 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 159.0894 helping the Negro students, and it's poor people's campaign, you know, 162.2148 161 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 162.2148 (pause 0.19) 162.4017 162 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 162.4017 trying to get food for the poor people. 164.0952 163 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 164.0952 (pause 0.37) 164.4678 164 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 164.4678 They do more work in it, then 165.9560 165 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 165.9560 (pause 0.42) 166.3776 166 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 166.3776 the middle class Negroes of our school do 168.2727 167 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 168.2727 (pause 0.29) 168.5586 168 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 168.5586 because they feel 169.3100 169 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 169.3100 (pause 0.90) 170.2141 170 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 170.2141 embarrassed 170.9362 171 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 170.9362 (pause 0.75) 171.6876 172 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 171.6876 about 172.1165 173 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 172.1165 (pause 0.57) 172.6847 174 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 172.6847 what their ancestors have done, 174.1546 175 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 174.1546 (pause 0.55) 174.7067 176 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 174.7067 what's going on now, and they want somehow, 176.6532 177 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 176.6532 (pause 0.18) 176.8328 178 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 176.8328 someway to help. 177.6795 179 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 177.6795 (pause 0.45) 178.1304 180 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 178.1304 Therefore, they do a lot more toward this- 179.8666 181 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 179.8666 (pause 0.50) 180.3651 182 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 180.3651 work- 180.6400 183 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 180.6400 (pause 0.27) 180.9149 184 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 180.9149 in- 181.0579 185 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 181.0579 (pause 0.17) 181.2302 186 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 181.2302 That's where majority of the students at our school are. 183.3768 187 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 183.3768 (pause 0.34) 183.7141 188 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 183.7141 We don't really 184.3336 189 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 184.3336 (pause 0.88) 185.2170 190 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 185.2170 recognize as much as- 186.5952 191 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 186.5952 (pause 0.32) 186.9128 192 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 186.9128 Say at a public school, you would recognize that person was white. We don't 189.9222 193 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 189.9222 (pause 0.18) 190.0982 194 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 190.0982 do it half as much, 191.1539 195 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 191.1539 (pause 0.37) 191.5241 196 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 191.5241 but there still are a small minority 192.9120 197 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 192.9120 (pause 0.64) 193.5498 198 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 193.5498 who 193.8211 199 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 193.8211 (pause 0.58) 194.4039 200 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 194.4039 they're- 194.6642 201 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 194.6642 (pause 0.16) 194.8291 202 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 194.8291 I don't think there's anyone at our school who would be 196.5446 203 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 196.5446 (pause 0.24) 196.7852 204 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 196.7852 out and out prejudice. 197.9362 205 DCA_int_01 198.1488 Mm-hm. 198.4311 206 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 198.5593 You'd- he'd cover it up some way, but there are a small minority 201.4062 207 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 201.4062 (pause 0.65) 202.0550 208 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 202.0550 who are kind of sly about it. 203.2720 209 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 203.2720 (pause 0.61) 203.8841 210 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 203.8841 And it's 204.4376 211 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 204.4376 (pause 0.16) 204.5989 212 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 204.5989 fairly obvious 205.4456 213 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 205.4456 (pause 0.40) 205.8439 214 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 205.8439 who they are. You can 206.7273 215 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 206.7273 (pause 0.25) 206.9729 216 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 206.9729 almost [tell just] by looking at 'em. 208.4098 217 DCA_int_01 207.2069 [Mm.] 207.4762 218 DCA_int_01 208.6822 Mm-hm. 209.0458 219 DCA_int_01 209.0458 (pause 0.48) 209.5278 220 DCA_int_01 209.5278 That's interesting. 210.4250 221 DCA_int_01 210.4250 (pause 1.45) 211.8761 222 DCA_int_01 211.8761 Uh, s- change the subject again. 213.8078 223 DCA_int_01 213.8078 (pause 0.33) 214.1377 224 DCA_int_01 214.1377 What do you do around Christmas time? Say from the day before through the- through Christmas day at /supper/. What all did you do? 220.3121 225 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 220.9311 Well now, 221.6898 226 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 221.6898 (pause 0.49) 222.1810 227 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 222.1810 the big thing with me is buying presents. [ /??/] 224.5513 228 DCA_int_01 224.0675 [] 224.8556 229 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 225.1488 Used to be, I would 225.9772 230 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 225.9772 (pause 0.30) 226.2741 231 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 226.2741 waiting for 'em, but [now] 227.4691 232 DCA_int_01 227.2052 [] 227.6451 233 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 228.2412 I don't know. I have a lot of little cousins. 229.9201 234 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 229.9201 (pause 0.61) 230.5322 235 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 230.5322 And (laughing) my immediate family takes up a lot of money. 232.9648 236 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 232.9648 (pause 0.47) 233.4340 237 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 233.4340 In most cases, 234.2881 238 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 234.2881 (pause 0.29) 234.5740 239 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 234.5740 the week before Christmas, I'm earning money, 236.5241 240 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 236.5241 (pause 0.38) 236.9040 241 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 236.9040 trying to get all the money together I've been saving all year. 239.4002 242 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 239.4002 (pause 0.82) 240.2177 243 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 240.2177 And then a couple of days b- 241.3577 244 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 241.3577 (pause 0.13) 241.4883 245 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 241.4883 m- 241.5983 246 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 241.5983 (pause 0.14) 241.7412 247 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 241.7412 before Chris- I'm buying the presents, and other- And after that, we're 244.7507 248 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 244.7507 (pause 0.36) 245.1062 249 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 245.1062 setting up the 245.8687 250 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 245.8687 (pause 0.51) 246.3768 251 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 246.3768 decorations and everything. 247.6268 252 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 247.6268 (pause 0.35) 247.9787 253 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 247.9787 We set those up 248.7998 254 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 248.7998 (pause 1.07) 249.8665 255 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 249.8665 I say about two or three days before Christmas. 252.3687 256 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 252.3687 (pause 0.40) 252.7683 257 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 252.7683 We get everything together. 253.8240 258 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 253.8240 (pause 0.93) 254.7550 259 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 254.7550 And then we just kind of wait. 256.1393 260 DCA_int_01 256.3079 Mm-hm. 256.6745 261 DCA_int_01 256.6745 (pause 0.53) 257.2060 262 DCA_int_01 257.2060 What do you do on Christmas day itself? 259.0388 263 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 259.7485 Christmas day, 260.5586 264 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 260.5586 (pause 0.91) 261.4714 265 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 261.4714 we 261.8783 266 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 261.8783 (pause 0.23) 262.1129 267 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 262.1129 open our presents to begin with. 263.7440 268 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 263.7440 (pause 0.66) 264.4025 269 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 264.4025 Then we 264.8974 270 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 264.8974 (pause 0.18) 265.0733 271 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 265.0733 visit everybody. 266.0080 272 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 266.0080 (pause 0.34) 266.3453 273 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 266.3453 And you go- It becomes a bore after a little [while, you know you go] to every- 268.9250 274 DCA_int_01 267.8248 [] 268.4480 275 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 269.1811 every little relative- some of you've never heard of before. [But /they/-] 272.0402 276 DCA_int_01 271.3878 [] 271.9853 277 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 272.3078 you- my mother just seems to know where they live and everything. 275.0117 278 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 275.0117 (pause 0.67) 275.6825 279 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 275.6825 And we 276.0454 280 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 276.0454 (pause 0.22) 276.2617 281 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 276.2617 hit every relative's house, and show this and show that, and exchange this and exchange that. 280.2045 282 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 280.2045 (pause 1.00) 281.2089 283 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 281.2089 And then occasionally, 282.1839 284 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 282.1839 (pause 0.39) 282.5748 285 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 282.5748 when my uh, 283.2932 286 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 283.2932 (pause 0.26) 283.5535 287 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 283.5535 grandmother was alive, 285.0167 288 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 285.0167 (pause 0.44) 285.4559 289 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 285.4559 we'd go 285.9105 290 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 285.9105 (pause 0.25) 286.1597 291 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 286.1597 to her house, either one of 'em. 287.4267 292 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 287.4267 (pause 0.41) 287.8336 293 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 287.8336 One of- My father's mother, 289.2302 294 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 289.2302 (pause 0.33) 289.5564 295 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 289.5564 lives in Baltimore. 290.3701 296 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 290.3701 (pause 0.38) 290.7477 297 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 290.7477 We'd go there, 291.4208 298 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 291.4208 (pause 0.72) 292.1393 299 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 292.1393 and 292.5058 300 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 292.5058 (pause 0.59) 293.0960 301 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 293.0960 occasionally, every other year- 294.5622 302 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 294.5622 (pause 0.47) 295.0351 303 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 295.0351 Excuse- 295.5373 304 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 295.5373 (pause 0.75) 296.2911 305 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 296.2911 Yeah, I think it would be about every other year, 297.7720 306 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 297.7720 (pause 0.37) 298.1458 307 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 298.1458 we go to 298.5491 308 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 298.5491 (pause 0.15) 298.6957 309 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 298.6957 Tennessee 299.4105 310 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 299.4105 (pause 0.30) 299.7074 311 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 299.7074 where my uh, 300.5235 312 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 300.5235 (pause 0.30) 300.8204 313 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 300.8204 mother's mother [is,] 301.9237 314 DCA_int_01 301.7928 [Mm-hm.] 302.0980 315 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 302.6532 and 302.9684 316 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 302.9684 (pause 0.91) 303.8738 317 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 303.8738 that- that would be the big family reunion. Everybody'd be there. 306.5667 318 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 306.5667 (pause 0.62) 307.1862 319 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 307.1862 My mother has the biggest family. 308.6634 320 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 308.6634 (pause 0.62) 309.2852 321 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 309.2852 Nine kids, /yeah/. 310.2493 322 DCA_int_01 310.5022 311.1657 323 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 311.2463 And everybody brings 312.5183 324 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 312.5183 (pause 0.52) 313.0388 325 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 313.0388 their husband and 314.1994 326 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 314.1994 (pause 0.28) 314.4817 327 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 314.4817 their wives and all that and everybody gets together. And 317.1429 328 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 317.1429 (pause 0.93) 318.0763 329 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 318.0763 it's a lot of fun. 318.7764 330 DCA_int_01 319.0843 Yeah. [/inaudible/] 320.5909 331 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 319.4399 [Boring sometimes], but it's a lot of fun. 321.2067 332 DCA_int_01 322.1097 /Right/. 322.3804 333 DCA_int_01 322.3804 (pause 0.70) 323.0785 334 DCA_int_01 323.0785 Were you ever in a situation where you thought you might be killed or might die? 326.4655 335 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 328.9274 I don't really think so. W- wait a minute. 330.9618 336 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 330.9618 (pause 2.62) 333.5813 337 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 333.5813 I've had feelings (laughing), 334.9449 338 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 334.9449 (pause 0.54) 335.4838 339 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 335.4838 where I feel like I would collapse. Not really 337.3079 340 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 337.3079 (pause 0.52) 337.8268 341 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 337.8268 die. 338.1678 342 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 338.1678 (pause 0.45) 338.6202 343 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 338.6202 On- 338.9757 344 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 338.9757 (pause 0.63) 339.6099 345 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 339.6099 In the boy scouts a couple of times, 341.4413 346 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 341.4413 (pause 0.47) 341.9105 347 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 341.9105 I've uh, 342.6217 348 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 342.6217 (pause 0.76) 343.3804 349 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 343.3804 been on certain trips whereas 344.8357 350 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 344.8357 (pause 0.51) 345.3475 351 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 345.3475 you climb mountains. 346.5132 352 DCA_int_01 346.7588 [Uh-huh.] 347.2720 353 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 346.9824 [And it's]- 347.3123 354 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 347.4552 kind of frightening sometimes, especially when it's the first time. 349.9250 355 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 349.9250 (pause 0.90) 350.8226 356 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 350.8226 And it's- I think I was 351.7903 357 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 351.7903 (pause 0.34) 352.1275 358 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 352.1275 twelve- 352.6517 359 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 352.6517 (pause 0.18) 352.8276 360 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 352.8276 twelve- No, I was thirteen. 353.9273 361 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 353.9273 (pause 1.01) 354.9413 362 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 354.9413 And, it just so happened, I had been on two hikes before, 357.5989 363 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 357.5989 (pause 0.36) 357.9604 364 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 357.9604 you know, just regular hikes. They weren't anything spectacular. 360.3944 365 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 360.3944 (pause 0.53) 360.9259 366 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 360.9259 Then all of a sudden, 361.6957 367 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 361.6957 (pause 0.43) 362.1246 368 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 362.1246 we decided we were going 363.2815 369 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 363.2815 (pause 0.36) 363.6444 370 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 363.6444 to climb uh, 364.6048 371 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 364.6048 (pause 0.32) 364.9237 372 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 364.9237 this cliff, 365.5835 373 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 365.5835 (pause 0.84) 366.4266 374 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 366.4266 just off of Chesapeake Bay, 367.7536 375 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 367.7536 (pause 0.47) 368.2251 376 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 368.2251 and I can't remember the name of it now, 369.6986 377 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 369.6986 (pause 0.51) 370.2082 378 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 370.2082 but it- 370.5381 379 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 370.5381 (pause 0.81) 371.3518 380 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 371.3518 it was a good 371.8797 381 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 371.8797 (pause 1.13) 373.0073 382 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 373.0073 Uh, I'd say it was about a hundred and fifty feet up. 375.4999 383 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 375.4999 (pause 1.05) 376.5506 384 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 376.5506 And it wasn't really straight up, but it wa- 378.1049 385 DCA_int_01 378.2620 Yeah. 378.4998 386 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 378.8599 it looked like it me on my way up there. 380.7220 387 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 380.7220 (pause 0.89) 381.6078 388 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 381.6078 So the leader led the way, and I was somewhere in the middle, 383.9134 389 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 383.9134 (pause 1.39) 385.3013 390 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 385.3013 and somehow, 386.1518 391 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 386.1518 (pause 0.62) 386.7749 392 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 386.7749 I don't know- every time I looked back down, 388.3145 393 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 388.3145 (pause 0.72) 389.0329 394 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 389.0329 I got that feeling as if something was gonna happen. 391.2236 395 DCA_int_01 391.3995 Hm. 391.6121 396 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 392.1693 I don't know. I made it up though, 393.3056 397 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 393.3056 (pause 0.66) 393.9691 398 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 393.9691 and 394.3137 399 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 394.3137 (pause 0.15) 394.4590 400 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 394.4590 then another time, 395.3277 401 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 395.3277 (pause 0.47) 395.7969 402 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 395.7969 when I was going out for my hiking merit badge, 397.7727 403 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 397.7727 (pause 0.91) 398.6804 404 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 398.6804 we were hi- 399.1642 405 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 399.1642 (pause 0.47) 399.6334 406 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 399.6334 we had a hike. We had to do a fifty mile hike 401.7668 407 DCA_int_01 401.8988 Hm. 402.3386 408 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 402.4669 in a day. 403.1194 409 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 403.1194 (pause 0.44) 403.5579 410 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 403.5579 Before that I'd- 404.3387 411 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 404.3387 (pause 0.89) 405.2258 412 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 405.2258 I just remember. I've been playing baseball and football and 408.1839 413 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 408.1839 (pause 0.32) 408.5015 414 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 408.5015 little bit of everything 409.2749 415 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 409.2749 (pause 0.22) 409.4948 416 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 409.4948 that day, 409.9970 417 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 409.9970 (pause 0.61) 410.6055 418 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 410.6055 and 410.9428 419 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 410.9428 (pause 0.21) 411.1480 420 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 411.1480 all of a sudden I remember that 412.3247 421 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 412.3247 (pause 0.19) 412.5140 422 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 412.5140 in- 412.7925 423 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 412.7925 (pause 0.42) 413.2104 424 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 413.2104 uh, in order for my 414.3907 425 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 414.3907 (pause 0.59) 414.9846 426 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 414.9846 last requirement for 415.9376 427 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 415.9376 (pause 0.20) 416.1392 428 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 416.1392 my merit badge, 417.0153 429 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 417.0153 (pause 0.61) 417.6261 430 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 417.6261 I'd have to 418.3262 431 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 418.3262 (pause 0.23) 418.5608 432 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 418.5608 be at 418.9347 433 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 418.9347 (pause 0.60) 419.5359 434 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 419.5359 the uh, 419.9464 435 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 419.9464 (pause 0.21) 420.1517 436 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 420.1517 camp. This is at 420.9325 437 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 420.9325 (pause 0.15) 421.0828 438 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 421.0828 summer camp. I'd have to [be at] the camp w- with my leader- 423.9076 439 DCA_int_01 422.1591 [Mm-hm.] 422.4633 440 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 424.5417 my instructor rather, 425.5534 441 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 425.5534 (pause 0.47) 426.0249 442 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 426.0249 by seven thirty. 426.9743 443 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 426.9743 (pause 0.28) 427.2529 444 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 427.2529 Then we're going to have a night hike 428.4479 445 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 428.4479 (pause 0.07) 428.5212 446 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 428.5212 of fifty miles. 429.5256 447 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 429.5256 (pause 0.30) 429.8262 448 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 429.8262 You know, twenty five up and twenty five back. 431.8189 449 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 431.8189 (pause 1.54) 433.3584 450 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 433.3584 On that trip- 434.0256 451 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 434.0256 (pause 0.21) 434.2382 452 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 434.2382 That was one trip whereas- 435.4758 453 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 435.4758 (pause 0.19) 435.6701 454 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 435.6701 we had to go over 436.5022 455 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 436.5022 (pause 0.26) 436.7588 456 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 436.7588 a 437.0154 457 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 437.0154 (pause 0.28) 437.2939 458 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 437.2939 rope bridge. 438.1480 459 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 438.1480 (pause 0.11) 438.2543 460 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 438.2543 There were- one rope, and 439.6729 461 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 439.6729 (pause 0.30) 439.9758 462 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 439.9758 two ropes hanging out. 440.9105 463 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 440.9105 (pause 0.80) 441.7096 464 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 441.7096 And you have to walk across it, 442.9669 465 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 442.9669 (pause 0.59) 443.5594 466 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 443.5594 and there was a stream running below it and it's 445.6378 467 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 445.6378 (pause 0.36) 446.0007 468 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 446.0007 a good 446.4846 469 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 446.4846 (pause 0.65) 447.1297 470 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 447.1297 seventy five foot drop. You know, rocky and everything. 449.5953 471 DCA_int_01 448.8585 /Jee/. 449.1408 472 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 450.0425 It was a little frightening. 450.8599 473 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 450.8599 (pause 0.59) 451.4501 474 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 451.4501 I had an- 452.2162 475 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 452.2162 (pause 0.19) 452.4068 476 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 452.4068 when- up- By the time I got to it, I was dead tired. [That was one] time I thought 455.9281 477 DCA_int_01 454.8614 [] 455.2280 478 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 456.2690 I might not make it. 457.1524 479 DCA_int_01 457.2697 457.5116 480 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 457.9575 But I did it because everybody else was doing it, 459.6950 481 DCA_int_01 459.8196 Yeah. 460.0762 482 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 460.1678 and, who wants to be the only, you know, /unintelligible/ so I followed. 463.2420 483 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 463.2420 (pause 1.80) 465.0417 484 DCA_int_01 465.0417 Sometimes people say whatever's going to happen is going to happen, [so why worry] - 469.2670 485 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 467.8710 [Yeah. I- I don't really] worry about it 469.6765 486 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 469.9365 as much s- 470.6060 487 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 470.6060 (pause 0.17) 470.7733 488 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 470.7733 When- when you're real tired though, 472.2762 489 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 472.2762 (pause 0.41) 472.6852 490 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 472.6852 /they say it's/ run through your mind real quick (laughing). 474.8077 491 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 474.8077 (pause 0.48) 475.2884 492 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 475.2884 I don't really worry about 476.1930 493 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 476.1930 (pause 0.18) 476.3746 494 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 476.3746 what's going to happen. I figure if I'm gonna go, 478.2402 495 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 478.2402 (pause 0.67) 478.9097 496 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 478.9097 I'll go. 479.4510 497 DCA_int_01 479.6378 Mm. 479.8878 498 DCA_int_01 479.8878 (pause 1.11) 480.9965 499 DCA_int_01 480.9965 Do you kind of agree with that statement? 482.6377 500 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 483.7666 Yes, very much so. I- I don't really feel as if- 486.3236 501 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 486.3236 (pause 0.83) 487.1564 502 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 487.1564 For instance, 488.0004 503 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 488.0004 (pause 0.45) 488.4527 504 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 488.4527 if I was drafted, 489.6207 505 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 489.6207 (pause 1.48) 491.0986 506 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 491.0986 I'd- 491.4334 507 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 491.4334 (pause 0.68) 492.1095 508 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 492.1095 really I wouldn't want to go because 493.8260 509 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 493.8260 (pause 0.69) 494.5204 510 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 494.5204 I don't know. I don't mind being drafted, but um- 496.4287 511 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 496.4287 (pause 0.11) 496.5356 512 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 496.5356 I'd 496.8312 513 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 496.8312 (pause 0.21) 497.0413 514 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 497.0413 disagree with the war to begin with 498.7186 515 DCA_int_01 498.7684 Mm-hm. 499.1922 516 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 499.5448 like most people my age do, but a lot of people 502.0905 517 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 502.0905 (pause 0.36) 502.4538 518 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 502.4538 seemingly don't /so we're there/. 504.0812 519 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 504.0812 (pause 0.41) 504.4908 520 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 504.4908 But, 504.7258 521 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 504.7258 (pause 0.32) 505.0428 522 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 505.0428 if I were drafted, 505.9794 523 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 505.9794 (pause 1.29) 507.2716 524 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 507.2716 I'd 507.5244 525 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 507.5244 (pause 0.91) 508.4325 526 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 508.4325 uh, 508.8670 527 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 508.8670 (pause 0.31) 509.1733 528 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 509.1733 if- a- and- if I had a strong enough feeling 511.3486 529 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 511.3486 (pause 0.49) 511.8401 530 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 511.8401 against being drafted, 513.0188 531 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 513.0188 (pause 0.92) 513.9376 532 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 513.9376 I'd rather 514.6641 533 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 514.6641 (pause 1.95) 516.6187 534 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 516.6187 um, 517.0318 535 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 517.0318 (pause 1.69) 518.7234 536 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 518.7234 I don't know. I don't really 519.7419 537 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 519.7419 (pause 0.20) 519.9449 538 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 519.9449 care about dying, 520.9728 539 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 520.9728 (pause 0.61) 521.5825 540 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 521.5825 but 521.8567 541 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 521.8567 (pause 0.32) 522.1772 542 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 522.1772 if I had a strong enough feeling against the draft, 523.9507 543 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 523.9507 (pause 0.44) 524.3923 544 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 524.3923 instead of going over and being hypocritical about the thing, 526.9167 545 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 526.9167 (pause 0.51) 527.4224 546 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 527.4224 and fighting because my sergeant says so 529.4985 547 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 529.4985 (pause 0.72) 530.2179 548 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 530.2179 I'd probably just go into jail. 531.5849 549 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 531.5849 (pause 0.52) 532.1048 550 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 532.1048 Which, I don't know which one I'd do now. 533.6326 551 DCA_int_01 533.7002 534.1917 552 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 534.2237 But I'm not really 535.0001 553 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 535.0001 (pause 0.35) 535.3486 554 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 535.3486 afraid of dying. I figure I'll die anyway, 537.5530 555 DCA_int_01 537.6847 Mm. 537.8806 556 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 538.0266 and 538.2759 557 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 538.2759 (pause 0.95) 539.2303 558 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 539.2303 I- 539.5401 559 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 539.5401 (pause 0.24) 539.7787 560 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 539.7787 I'm fairly religious. I'm not, you know, extremely religious, 542.3708 561 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 542.3708 (pause 0.57) 542.9441 562 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 542.9441 because, I don't know. I do a lot weird things I'm not [supposed] to be doing. 545.7213 563 DCA_int_01 544.8916 [] 545.3047 564 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 546.2555 But I do believe in God and if- 547.6515 565 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 547.6515 (pause 0.98) 548.6308 566 DCA_se3_ag1_m_02 548.6308 if God wants me to go, I figure I'll go when my time comes. 551.9957