Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DCA_int_05 0.4478 What kind of games did you play when you were younger? 2.9424 2 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 3.3481 [] 7.2125 3 DCA_int_05 3.3761 [] 7.2078 4 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 7.9959 Well I used to play jump rope 10.1688 5 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 10.1688 (pause 1.45) 11.6178 6 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 11.6178 and um, 12.9374 7 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 12.9374 (pause 0.73) 13.6648 8 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 13.6648 mumblety peg, 14.9518 9 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 14.9518 (pause 0.60) 15.5533 10 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 15.5533 15.7072 11 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 15.7072 (pause 0.77) 16.4812 12 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 16.4812 and um, 17.5304 13 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 17.5304 (pause 0.34) 17.8696 14 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 17.8696 let's see. 18.7509 15 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 18.7509 (pause 0.35) 19.0959 16 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 19.0959 What else? 19.9066 17 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 19.9066 (pause 0.77) 20.6767 18 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 20.6767 Uh, Mummy and Daddy. 22.8216 19 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 22.8216 (pause 1.70) 24.5224 20 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 24.5224 Uh, 25.1472 21 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 25.1472 (pause 3.45) 28.5978 22 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 28.5978 I can't think of any others. 30.4291 23 DCA_int_05 30.3778 Hm. 30.7325 24 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 30.9187 [I used] to pretend a lot though. 32.5315 25 DCA_int_05 30.9187 [How-] 31.2451 26 DCA_int_05 32.9990 Uh-huh. How'd you play um, mumblety peg? 35.1086 27 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 36.4355 Uh, you take a knife, and you throw it into the ground. 39.3522 28 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 39.3522 (pause 2.83) 42.1831 29 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 42.1831 And uh, 43.0025 30 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 43.0025 (pause 0.45) 43.4477 31 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 43.4477 you 43.7951 32 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 43.7951 (pause 0.15) 43.9465 33 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 43.9465 try to make it stick into the ground. At least that was my version of it. 47.3207 34 DCA_int_05 47.4632 Mm-hm. 47.9797 35 DCA_int_05 47.9797 (pause 0.38) 48.3582 36 DCA_int_05 48.3582 Well could you tell me exactly what mumblety peg is? 50.7716 37 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 51.6300 No I have not the slightest idea. 53.7495 38 DCA_int_05 54.7960 What do the words mean? 56.3099 39 DCA_int_05 56.3099 (pause 0.42) 56.7330 40 DCA_int_05 56.7330 I've never heard of that [before.] 58.0989 41 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 57.9965 [I don't] know, it's an English game. 59.7491 42 DCA_int_05 61.1180 Oh I see. 62.0130 43 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 62.1555 Uh, I 63.1396 44 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 63.1396 (pause 0.40) 63.5348 45 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 63.5348 think we adopted it from them some years ago or something. 66.6117 46 DCA_int_05 68.9306 How do you play jump rope? 71.0056 47 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 71.1927 Oh well you just jump up and down, and you turn the rope! 74.2251 48 DCA_int_05 74.9765 [] 78.4097 49 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 76.2144 [That machine couldn't possibly be on (laughing).} 78.3963 50 DCA_int_05 78.7481 [ Did you play] uh, Double Dutch? 80.9913 51 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 78.7659 [] 79.6476 52 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 81.6147 Oh yes, I loved that. 83.0296 53 DCA_int_05 83.3736 Um, do- do you remember any of the rhymes that you said when you played Double Dutch? 87.1441 54 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 87.1716 87.2649 55 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 87.2649 (pause 0.60) 87.8610 56 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 87.8610 Let's see. Um, 89.6377 57 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 89.6377 (pause 0.76) 90.3947 58 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 90.3947 There was D- I- S- H, 92.6261 59 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 92.6261 (pause 0.47) 93.1009 60 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 93.1009 which was Dish, you know. You just kept uh, saying that until you missed. 97.0451 61 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 97.0451 (pause 0.84) 97.8822 62 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 97.8822 And uh, 98.8441 63 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 98.8441 (pause 0.87) 99.7124 64 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 99.7124 let's see. 100.3625 65 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 100.3625 (pause 2.39) 102.7493 66 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 102.7493 Oh there was one that I used to like but I can't remember all of it so I won't say. 106.8130 67 DCA_int_05 107.4994 Mm-hm. 107.8734 68 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 108.4200 Um- 108.7585 69 DCA_int_05 110.8068 Um, 111.4525 70 DCA_int_05 111.4525 (pause 0.34) 111.7953 71 DCA_int_05 111.7953 could you 112.3742 72 DCA_int_05 112.3742 (pause 0.22) 112.5969 73 DCA_int_05 112.5969 uh, explain to me exactly how you played Double Dutch? Say I never played it before or anything, you were just explaining to me how you played it. 118.7792 74 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 120.0009 Well uh, first of all, you need either very long rope 123.7224 75 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 123.7224 (pause 0.30) 124.0252 76 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 124.0252 that you can double 124.9960 77 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 124.9960 (pause 0.90) 125.8999 78 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 125.8999 or 126.3886 79 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 126.3886 (pause 0.27) 126.6558 80 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 126.6558 two single ropes. 128.0362 81 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 128.0362 (pause 0.74) 128.7754 82 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 128.7754 Then you need uh, one person on one end and another person on the other end. 133.6947 83 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 133.6947 (pause 0.76) 134.4562 84 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 134.4562 And they 135.1018 85 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 135.1018 (pause 0.32) 135.4180 86 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 135.4180 turn both ropes simultaneously, 137.7146 87 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 137.7146 (pause 0.19) 137.9016 88 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 137.9016 you see? 138.3291 89 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 138.3291 (pause 0.86) 139.1885 90 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 139.1885 And uh, then someone 140.7737 91 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 140.7737 (pause 0.19) 140.9607 92 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 140.9607 runs in, 141.8112 93 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 141.8112 (pause 0.49) 142.3055 94 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 142.3055 and they jump up and down 143.5824 95 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 143.5824 (pause 0.27) 143.8496 96 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 143.8496 trying to miss both ropes at the same time. 146.2408 97 DCA_int_05 146.6193 I see. 147.3540 98 DCA_int_05 147.3540 (pause 0.85) 148.2089 99 DCA_int_05 148.2089 Um, 149.0327 100 DCA_int_05 149.0327 (pause 0.30) 149.3300 101 DCA_int_05 149.3300 did you ever say any rhymes like, engine engine number nine, or anything like that? 153.1327 102 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 153.3287 Yes, come to think of it, I did. 155.1633 103 DCA_int_05 155.7544 Do you remember it? 156.6672 104 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 157.3797 Let's see; 158.3415 105 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 158.3415 (pause 4.04) 162.3792 106 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 162.3792 engine, engine number nine, 164.4008 107 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 164.4008 (pause 0.41) 164.8149 108 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 164.8149 riding down Chicago Line. 166.8087 109 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 166.8087 (pause 0.85) 167.6592 110 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 167.6592 If the train should jump the track, 169.3691 111 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 169.3691 (pause 0.63) 170.0014 112 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 170.0014 do you want your money back? That's the way I remember it. 172.3559 113 DCA_int_05 172.5029 [Yeah.] 172.9838 114 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 172.7478 [Yep.] 173.0730 115 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 174.2172 Mm-hm. 174.5646 116 DCA_int_05 174.5467 Um, 175.1612 117 DCA_int_05 175.5486 when you were- Did you ever play Hide and Seek? 177.4322 118 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 177.8853 Yes, uh-huh. 178.8828 119 DCA_int_05 179.2880 Um, how did you play that? 180.7174 120 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 181.3185 Oh dear. 182.0013 121 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 182.0013 (pause 0.60) 182.5965 122 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 182.5965 Uh, well, 183.4336 123 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 183.4336 (pause 0.64) 184.0782 124 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 184.0782 first of all, 184.8485 125 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 184.8485 (pause 0.21) 185.0623 126 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 185.0623 we would have to um- 186.7054 127 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 186.7054 (pause 0.41) 187.1195 128 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 187.1195 I don't remember exactly how we did it. It would be 189.4829 129 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 189.4829 (pause 0.37) 189.8569 130 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 189.8569 someone would call, first, second, something like that. And whoever was last in uh, 194.3143 131 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 194.3143 (pause 1.68) 195.9964 132 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 195.9964 calling the places 197.3590 133 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 197.3590 (pause 0.49) 197.8488 134 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 197.8488 would be it. 198.5746 135 DCA_int_05 199.1668 Mm-hm. 199.6344 136 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 199.6923 And it would have to hide its face 202.0423 137 DCA_int_05 202.1982 202.4742 138 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 202.4386 or its eyes. 203.3737 139 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 203.9749 And uh, the others would run and hide. 206.0321 140 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 206.0321 (pause 0.88) 206.9082 141 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 206.9082 [And um,] 207.6073 142 DCA_int_05 206.9082 [Mm-hm.] 207.5405 143 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 208.1996 we had various hiding places- under the bed, in the closet, 211.1028 144 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 211.1028 (pause 0.47) 211.5704 145 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 211.5704 outside, in the basement, 213.1055 146 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 213.1055 (pause 1.26) 214.3657 147 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 214.3657 um, 215.0559 148 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 215.0559 (pause 0.28) 215.3409 149 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 215.3409 even under cars some people hid. 217.3670 150 DCA_int_05 217.8646 Mm. 218.2342 151 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 218.9689 [And uh,] 219.7615 152 DCA_int_05 218.9912 [Uh-] 219.3875 153 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 220.4250 then uh, 221.3022 154 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 221.3022 (pause 0.62) 221.9256 155 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 221.9256 whoever was found first 223.8474 156 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 223.8474 (pause 1.03) 224.8768 157 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 224.8768 by it 225.4200 158 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 225.4200 (pause 0.20) 225.6249 159 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 225.6249 would have to replace 226.8138 160 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 226.8138 (pause 1.07) 227.8869 161 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 227.8869 him or her 228.9334 162 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 228.9334 (pause 0.21) 229.1427 163 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 229.1427 as it. 229.7774 164 DCA_int_05 230.8025 I see. 231.4048 165 DCA_int_05 231.4048 (pause 0.53) 231.9335 166 DCA_int_05 231.9335 Did you have any other ways of deciding who was it? 234.4450 167 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 235.5571 Not that I can recall. I'm sure there must have been some. 238.5984 168 DCA_int_05 238.9813 Mm-hm. 239.5914 169 DCA_int_05 239.5914 (pause 0.85) 240.4374 170 DCA_int_05 240.4374 [How-] 240.8416 171 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 240.4597 [But uh], it's been so long since I was a child, you know. 243.5801 172 DCA_int_05 243.7716 Mm-hm. 244.2569 173 DCA_int_05 244.2569 (pause 0.46) 244.7200 174 DCA_int_05 244.7200 Did you ever play any games with bottle caps? 247.1153 175 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 248.1699 Bottle caps. 249.2119 176 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 249.2119 (pause 1.88) 251.0910 177 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 251.0910 Uh, I used to collect them. 252.4723 178 DCA_int_05 253.2763 Mm-hm. Why'd you collect 'em? 254.6350 179 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 256.2775 Oh I don't know. I guess because they- 259.8567 180 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 259.8567 (pause 0.27) 260.1272 181 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 260.1272 Because they reminded me of money, 262.2967 182 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 262.2967 (pause 0.69) 262.9914 183 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 262.9914 I think. 263.6558 184 DCA_int_05 264.8561 I see. 266.3255 185 DCA_int_05 266.3255 (pause 0.54) 266.8643 186 DCA_int_05 266.8643 Um, did you ever play Mother May I? 268.7493 187 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 271.2760 Uh, if that's the same as 274.1392 188 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 274.1392 (pause 0.25) 274.3930 189 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 274.3930 Giant Step- 275.3671 190 DCA_int_05 275.7145 Yeah, /[somewhat] similar/. [Mm-hm.] 277.3976 191 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 276.0440 [Is it?] 276.4314 192 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 276.4314 (pause 0.60) 277.0281 193 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 277.0281 [Yes,] well that's what we used to play. 279.0897 194 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 279.5350 [And uh], Red Light. I just [remembered another one. ] 282.5837 195 DCA_int_05 279.5707 [Uh-huh.] 280.0961 196 DCA_int_05 280.0961 (pause 1.10) 281.1993 197 DCA_int_05 281.1993 [] 283.1433 198 DCA_int_05 283.3345 Aw. 283.8132 199 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 283.4557 Yeah. 283.8800 200 DCA_int_05 284.6280 Um, 285.5275 201 DCA_int_05 285.5275 (pause 1.20) 286.7287 202 DCA_int_05 286.7287 let me see. 287.5748 203 DCA_int_05 287.5748 (pause 1.13) 288.7013 204 DCA_int_05 288.7013 Oh um, do you watch much TV now? 291.1148 205 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 291.9731 Not very much. It bores me. 293.9547 206 DCA_int_05 294.6359 Oh my. 295.3306 207 DCA_int_05 295.3306 (pause 0.52) 295.8471 208 DCA_int_05 295.8471 Um, well, when you do watch, what- 298.2472 209 DCA_int_05 298.2472 (pause 0.24) 298.4911 210 DCA_int_05 298.4911 what do you usually watch? 299.7111 211 DCA_int_05 299.7111 (pause 0.45) 300.1564 212 DCA_int_05 300.1564 Preferably. 300.8956 213 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 301.0337 Well I watch Julia so that I can laugh. 303.9317 214 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 303.9317 (pause 2.30) 306.2291 215 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 306.2291 I watch uh, 307.7475 216 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 307.7475 (pause 0.21) 307.9568 217 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 307.9568 Mod Squad, 309.1146 218 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 309.1146 (pause 1.18) 310.2979 219 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 310.2979 so that I can see all the credits to our race. 312.7648 220 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 312.7648 (pause 1.08) 313.8424 221 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 313.8424 And then I love uh, 316.1301 222 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 316.1301 (pause 0.76) 316.8916 223 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 316.8916 Carol Burnett. 317.7554 224 DCA_int_05 318.6816 [Hm.] 319.0646 225 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 318.6950 [Yes.] 319.2872 226 DCA_int_05 319.3540 Mm-hm. 320.0130 227 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 320.2579 Uh-huh. 320.7121 228 DCA_int_05 321.0762 Did you remember um, 322.4165 229 DCA_int_05 322.4165 (pause 0.34) 322.7549 230 DCA_int_05 322.7549 an episode /in one ??/ stories. You know, shows that you can tell me about. 326.4553 231 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 330.1679 Um, 330.7557 232 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 330.7557 (pause 1.51) 332.2685 233 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 332.2685 now on The Carol Burnett Show, um, I enjoy her uh, 336.5032 234 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 336.5032 (pause 1.77) 338.2699 235 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 338.2699 the little spoof on a serie- the daytime o- soap box operas. Uh- 343.1191 236 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 343.1191 (pause 1.98) 345.1040 237 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 345.1040 uh- 345.7541 238 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 345.7541 (pause 0.48) 346.2306 239 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 346.2306 What is it? Um, 347.4284 240 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 347.4284 (pause 1.20) 348.6307 241 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 348.6307 As the Stomach Turns she calls it. 350.6468 242 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 350.6468 (pause 0.20) 350.8516 243 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 350.8516 Yeah. 351.1811 244 DCA_int_05 351.4528 Huh? 351.9025 245 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 352.3745 Th- this is her version of uh, a soap box [opera. Uh-huh], and she calls it As the Stomach Turns. 358.6742 246 DCA_int_05 355.3791 [Oh, oh. Uh-huh.] 356.4433 247 DCA_int_05 356.4433 (pause 2.11) 358.5496 248 DCA_int_05 358.5496 Mm-hm. 358.9325 249 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 359.4312 And uh- 360.2283 250 DCA_int_05 360.1361 [] 361.7946 251 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 360.5133 [it- ] 361.2257 252 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 361.9238 it's a take off on soap box operas, and they uh, you know- 366.6883 253 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 366.6883 (pause 2.77) 369.4569 254 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 369.4569 They go overboard and uh- 371.0912 255 DCA_int_05 370.8596 Mm-hm. 371.3138 256 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 371.8214 And uh, 372.7343 257 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 372.7343 (pause 0.56) 373.2987 258 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 373.2987 in one particular episode, she had this colored fella who knocked on the door. 378.1612 259 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 378.1612 (pause 1.01) 379.1665 260 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 379.1665 And um, 380.1907 261 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 380.1907 (pause 1.17) 381.3618 262 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 381.3618 she says, oh, how wonderful. 384.0291 263 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 384.0291 (pause 0.28) 384.3085 264 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 384.3085 It's a Negro. 385.5820 265 DCA_int_05 385.8403 386.6106 266 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 386.8066 And then uh, 388.1291 267 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 388.1291 (pause 0.69) 388.8148 268 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 388.8148 he tel- You know, she's treating him very nicely and everything. 391.5745 269 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 391.5745 (pause 0.48) 392.0554 270 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 392.0554 So, 392.5675 271 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 392.5675 (pause 0.41) 392.9816 272 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 392.9816 he uh- 393.8900 273 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 393.8900 (pause 1.70) 395.5944 274 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 395.5944 He pulls out a gun, 396.5874 275 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 396.5874 (pause 0.42) 397.0059 276 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 397.0059 and he tells her, give me all your money. 398.4309 277 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 398.4309 (pause 0.85) 399.2769 278 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 399.2769 So she says, oh certainly! I'd be very happy to. It's so nice to meet someone who isn't a credit to his race. 405.6835 279 DCA_int_05 405.6613 [] 411.6613 280 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 407.5037 [I enjoyed that one.] 408.7683 281 DCA_int_05 411.8105 Aw. 412.2905 282 DCA_int_05 412.2905 (pause 0.48) 412.7659 283 DCA_int_05 412.7659 On um, Mod Squad, do you remember any of the incidents- I mean, episodes on /there/? 417.7487 284 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 418.6515 Well I remember one that Sammy Davis was on that one. That was not too long ago. 423.6699 285 DCA_int_05 424.0963 Mm-hm. 424.5594 286 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 424.5505 And um, 425.5613 287 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 426.8036 he played the part of a priest. 428.7095 288 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 428.7095 (pause 1.92) 430.6320 289 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 430.6320 A pretty hip priest, you know. 432.4933 290 DCA_int_05 432.8229 Course. 433.3216 291 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 433.8559 Yes, and uh, 435.0181 292 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 435.0181 (pause 0.71) 435.7295 293 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 435.7295 it seemed that he was uh, quite [able to uh], relate 440.0978 294 DCA_int_05 438.0405 [? ] 439.1894 295 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 440.4228 to the neighborhood children, you know, 442.1762 296 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 442.1762 (pause 0.23) 442.4033 297 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 442.4033 [in their] own language, and 443.8505 298 DCA_int_05 442.4122 [Mm-hm.] 442.7506 299 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 444.7455 uh, he had very good rapport with them. 447.0043 300 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 447.0043 (pause 1.01) 448.0173 301 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 448.0173 [And someone] was trying to kill him because uh, they- He had made a confession to him that he had killed someone. 453.7515 302 DCA_int_05 448.1731 [Mm-hm.] 448.5872 303 DCA_int_05 454.2858 [Mm.] 454.8692 304 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 454.4818 [And] that's what the story revolved [around.] 456.8461 305 DCA_int_05 456.6147 [Mm-hm.] 457.2470 306 DCA_int_05 457.8649 Mm, something like um, 459.1161 307 DCA_int_05 459.1161 (pause 0.79) 459.9087 308 DCA_int_05 459.9087 nearly trying to get rid of um, 461.9660 309 DCA_int_05 461.9660 (pause 0.53) 462.4959 310 DCA_int_05 462.4959 Black Nationalists and ch- um, need to work. 465.3135 311 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 465.4292 Yes, [isn't that awful.] 467.0545 312 DCA_int_05 465.7498 [Because they're trying to] 467.0545 313 DCA_int_05 467.2282 get, you know, black people off the dope and the Mafia doesn't like it. 470.6158 314 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 470.9572 471.0224 315 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 471.0224 (pause 0.11) 471.1278 316 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 471.1278 Yeah. 471.5820 317 DCA_int_05 471.9605 Um, 472.6730 318 DCA_int_05 472.6730 (pause 1.03) 473.7016 319 DCA_int_05 473.7016 let's see. Did you have uh, 474.9117 320 DCA_int_05 474.9117 (pause 0.13) 475.0453 321 DCA_int_05 475.0453 a pet? Or do you have a pet now? 476.9546 322 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 477.9975 Yes, I have a pet now. 479.7698 323 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 479.7698 (pause 1.23) 481.0021 324 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 481.0021 I've never had a pet before. 482.8501 325 DCA_int_05 485.2279 Um, what kind is it? 486.3189 326 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 486.9323 Uh, [it's a poodle.] 488.2325 327 DCA_int_05 487.4399 [Or what is it?] 488.2459 328 DCA_int_05 488.6823 A poodle? 489.3680 329 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 489.3012 Yes. 489.8623 330 DCA_int_05 490.0048 Oh. 490.9488 331 DCA_int_05 490.9488 (pause 0.28) 491.2338 332 DCA_int_05 491.2338 Does it ever do anything funny or- 493.6818 333 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 493.7040 Oh, it's always doing something funny. [] 496.4604 334 DCA_int_05 495.9617 [] 497.2040 335 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 497.6983 He chews up everything. 499.4472 336 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 499.4472 (pause 0.31) 499.7589 337 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 499.7589 He doesn't bark. 500.9433 338 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 500.9433 (pause 0.32) 501.2640 339 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 501.2640 He's a male. 502.1456 340 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 502.1456 (pause 0.46) 502.6087 341 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 502.6087 [And-] 503.1520 342 DCA_int_05 502.6176 [He doesn't] bark? 503.7709 343 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 503.7253 No, 504.2018 344 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 504.3532 very rarely does he bark. 505.6935 345 DCA_int_05 506.2278 Oh. 506.6954 346 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 507.1718 And uh, he doesn't have a vicious bone in his body. 510.3367 347 DCA_int_05 510.6084 513.4315 348 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 513.4360 He has a difficult time distinguishing males 516.3782 349 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 516.3782 (pause 0.14) 516.5163 350 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 516.5163 from females. 517.5137 351 DCA_int_05 517.8566 /inaudible/ 519.0811 352 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 520.2255 Uh, 520.8489 353 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 520.8489 (pause 0.44) 521.2842 354 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 521.2842 but other than that, he's a normal red blooded American dog. 524.2810 355 DCA_int_05 524.7619 Oh yeah. 525.3720 356 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 525.5323 Mm-hm. 525.8930 357 DCA_int_05 525.8974 Oh, tell me about your school? 529.3384 358 DCA_int_05 529.3384 (pause 1.03) 530.3715 359 DCA_int_05 530.3715 You know, when you were um, younger. I mean, elementary school, junior high [school.] 534.1286 360 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 533.8971 [Elementary] school, let's see. I hated my first grade teacher. I liked my second grade teacher. 539.3374 361 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 540.5174 I hated my third grade teacher. 542.3609 362 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 542.3609 (pause 0.96) 543.3183 363 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 543.3183 And I despised my sixth grade teacher. 545.4724 364 DCA_int_05 546.5900 [Hm.] 546.9552 365 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 546.6212 [] 546.8973 366 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 548.0951 Um- 548.7764 367 DCA_int_05 548.7408 What happened with fourth or fifth grade? 551.2912 368 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 551.5584 Well I had a pretty nice teacher in those grades. [Yes.] 555.3611 369 DCA_int_05 554.7199 [Mm.] 555.2231 370 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 555.8677 Yes, as a matter of fact, I did. 557.4262 371 DCA_int_05 557.6845 Uh-huh. 558.1609 372 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 558.2767 But uh, you only remember the extremes [I think.] 561.3091 373 DCA_int_05 560.8905 [Yeah.] 561.4115 374 DCA_int_05 562.0516 What did you um, study in school? 563.8818 375 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 565.4447 Uh, when? Which school? 567.2203 376 DCA_int_05 567.0022 Still talking about elementary. 568.3781 377 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 568.3514 [Elementary school?] 569.3666 378 DCA_int_05 568.8234 [Mm-hm.] 569.2197 379 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 571.1300 Um, 571.6510 380 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 571.6510 (pause 0.86) 572.5137 381 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 572.5137 well 572.9056 382 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 572.9056 (pause 0.82) 573.7249 383 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 573.7249 the standard Reading, Writing, Arithmetic, uh- 576.8241 384 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 576.8241 (pause 1.59) 578.4138 385 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 578.4138 I liked History best. 579.8733 386 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 579.8733 (pause 0.44) 580.3096 387 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 580.3096 I hated Geography. 581.6054 388 DCA_int_05 583.7206 Hm. 584.2148 389 DCA_int_05 584.2148 (pause 1.00) 585.2112 390 DCA_int_05 585.2112 Um, 585.7945 391 DCA_int_05 585.7945 (pause 0.49) 586.2799 392 DCA_int_05 586.2799 what do the kids do after school? 587.9141 393 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 588.5509 In elementary [school?] 589.6997 394 DCA_int_05 589.4103 [Mm-hm.] 589.8956 395 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 593.3633 Mm- 595.1000 396 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 595.1000 (pause 0.39) 595.4874 397 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 595.4874 That's a very good question. 597.1205 398 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 597.1205 (pause 2.02) 599.1421 399 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 599.1421 Um, 599.6586 400 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 599.6586 (pause 0.76) 600.4201 401 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 600.4201 I guess whatever other kids do [now. We weren't that] much different I don't guess, 605.1791 402 DCA_int_05 602.2714 [] 603.4247 403 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 605.5487 except that we didn't rob any stores or anything like that. 608.3618 404 DCA_int_05 608.5221 610.7839 405 DCA_int_05 610.7839 (pause 0.17) 610.9517 406 DCA_int_05 610.9517 Oh. 611.5412 407 DCA_int_05 611.5412 (pause 0.61) 612.1557 408 DCA_int_05 612.1557 Um, 612.7835 409 DCA_int_05 612.7835 (pause 0.87) 613.6552 410 DCA_int_05 613.6552 well, did you um- 614.9510 411 DCA_int_05 614.9510 (pause 0.32) 615.2672 412 DCA_int_05 615.2672 Yeah, go right home or did you stay in playground after school or? 618.6736 413 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 618.5935 No. I went right home after school. 621.0993 414 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 621.4689 That was a must. 622.4664 415 DCA_int_05 622.8226 Mm. 623.3124 416 DCA_int_05 623.3124 (pause 0.13) 623.4460 417 DCA_int_05 623.4460 And then what did you do? 624.6427 418 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 625.8005 Well um, 626.9271 419 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 626.9271 (pause 0.53) 627.4525 420 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 627.4525 after battling with my mother about changing my clothes, 630.5558 421 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 630.5558 (pause 1.41) 631.9622 422 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 631.9622 um, 632.5411 423 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 632.5411 (pause 1.03) 633.5697 424 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 633.5697 I usually did what the boys did. 635.1861 425 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 635.1861 (pause 0.21) 635.3954 426 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 635.3954 I'd ride bicycles, 636.8281 427 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 636.8281 (pause 0.63) 637.4560 428 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 637.4560 uh, climb trees, 638.8586 429 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 638.8586 (pause 0.22) 639.0768 430 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 639.0768 [skate,] 639.6423 431 DCA_int_05 639.1347 [] 639.6824 432 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 639.9941 yeah. (laughing) 640.6531 433 DCA_int_05 640.7066 Mm. 641.1252 434 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 641.1474 Yeah, this was my pack, you know. 642.9230 435 DCA_int_05 643.7067 Hm. 644.3168 436 DCA_int_05 644.3168 (pause 1.16) 645.4745 437 DCA_int_05 645.4745 Um, did you ever have a teacher who hollered a lot? 647.8657 438 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 650.3538 Yes. 651.1420 439 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 651.1420 (pause 0.20) 651.3468 440 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 651.3468 I had one that called us names and everything. 653.6835 441 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 653.6835 (pause 0.13) 653.8170 442 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 653.8170 That was my sixth grade teacher. 655.5537 443 DCA_int_05 655.8164 Mm. 656.3463 444 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 656.6357 [Mm-hm.] 657.0009 445 DCA_int_05 656.8628 [/Who/] was he like or she like? 658.2967 446 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 659.0615 Oh uh, 659.9832 447 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 659.9832 (pause 2.08) 662.0672 448 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 662.0672 she was a shrew. 663.1314 449 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 663.1314 (pause 0.94) 664.0754 450 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 664.0754 That's [what she] was. 665.1473 451 DCA_int_05 664.2446 [Hm.] 664.5474 452 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 666.7728 Um, 667.2581 453 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 667.2581 (pause 0.22) 667.4763 454 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 667.4763 actually, she was a pretty poor excuse for a teacher if you want to know the truth about it. 671.3667 455 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 671.3667 (pause 2.24) 673.6113 456 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 673.6113 Um, 674.2436 457 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 674.2436 (pause 3.06) 677.3016 458 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 677.3016 her whole attitude 678.8780 459 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 678.8780 (pause 0.33) 679.2075 460 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 679.2075 toward the children was negative 680.9441 461 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 680.9441 (pause 0.21) 681.1534 462 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 681.1534 completely. You would think that she hated kids. 683.6139 463 DCA_int_05 684.3228 Oh. 684.6345 464 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 686.3444 And uh, she had her preferences. 688.5875 465 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 688.5875 (pause 0.25) 688.8369 466 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 688.8369 Um, 689.3089 467 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 689.3089 (pause 0.30) 689.6072 468 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 689.6072 690.0258 469 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 690.0258 (pause 1.42) 691.4463 470 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 691.4463 those who were fairer, she was uh- 693.6505 471 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 693.6505 (pause 0.63) 694.2817 472 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 694.2817 fair in complexion- 695.5018 473 DCA_int_05 695.9337 [Mm.] 696.4013 474 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 696.1430 [she] liked a little better than she did the darker ones. 699.1487 475 DCA_int_05 699.3791 Yeah. 699.7977 476 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 699.8378 And they 700.4701 477 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 700.4701 (pause 0.14) 700.6126 478 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 700.6126 fared a lot better in her classroom. 702.6431 479 DCA_int_05 704.2372 Hold over from the old days? 705.6566 480 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 705.7590 Mm-hm. 706.2667 481 DCA_int_05 707.1305 Um, 707.7450 482 DCA_int_05 707.7450 (pause 0.45) 708.1903 483 DCA_int_05 708.1903 did you ever have um- or- You remember who your favorite was /unintelligible/? 713.5906 484 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 713.7331 Uh, Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/. 715.1357 485 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 715.1357 (pause 0.80) 715.9317 486 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 715.9317 I had her the second half of the sixth grade because I moved. 719.8146 487 DCA_int_05 720.1040 Mm. 720.7185 488 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 721.2128 And uh, 721.9643 489 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 721.9643 (pause 0.88) 722.8459 490 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 722.8459 she was a gem. 723.7276 491 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 723.7276 (pause 0.41) 724.1373 492 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 724.1373 She really was. 725.1792 493 DCA_int_05 726.5107 Mm. 726.9960 494 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 726.9070 She was- 727.3701 495 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 727.5382 sh- 728.2952 496 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 728.2952 (pause 0.38) 728.6737 497 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 728.6737 Well she was a little uh, sensitive 730.8734 498 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 730.8734 (pause 0.37) 731.2474 499 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 731.2474 for teaching I think because she would cry at the drop of a hat. 734.4435 500 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 734.4435 (pause 0.85) 735.2985 501 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 735.2985 But- But she was a beautiful woman, and she [was really] interested in the children. 740.5073 502 DCA_int_05 738.8330 [Hm.] 739.0601 503 DCA_int_05 740.7254 Mm-hm. 741.2509 504 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 741.6962 So I remember her most of all, [I think.] 744.2343 505 DCA_int_05 743.8202 [Mm-hm.] 744.2655 506 DCA_int_05 744.7097 The teacher that hollered a lot, did you think that her hollering was fair? 748.1953 507 DCA_int_05 748.1953 (pause 0.33) 748.5214 508 DCA_int_05 748.5214 Or 748.9399 509 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 749.1403 [Oh good heavens], no. 750.3515 510 DCA_int_05 749.2205 [you know]- 749.7192 511 DCA_int_05 751.0896 [Well, you know, why would she holler at you?] 754.8745 512 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 752.7906 [] 754.8656 513 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 755.6137 I think she was slightly psychotic, 757.7767 514 DCA_int_05 757.8524 758.2176 515 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 758.2665 if you want to know the truth about it. 760.1768 516 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 760.1768 (pause 0.83) 761.0051 517 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 761.0051 But as I said, I think she just didn't particularly care for children. 764.6019 518 DCA_int_05 765.0383 Mm-hm. 765.5682 519 DCA_int_05 765.5682 (pause 1.07) 766.6369 520 DCA_int_05 766.6369 Mm. 767.0599 521 DCA_int_05 767.0599 (pause 1.34) 768.3991 522 DCA_int_05 768.3991 Um, did you have- ever have a teacher that you just couldn't stand? 771.2000 523 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 771.8501 That was her. 772.5047 524 DCA_int_05 772.8910 That was her. [] Aw. 776.8051 525 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 773.2873 [] 774.9749 526 DCA_int_05 777.1791 Did the kids in your class ever play a trick on the teacher? 779.6015 527 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 781.8892 Not that I can remember. 783.3097 528 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 783.3097 (pause 1.35) 784.6589 529 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 784.6589 I can't remember any particular tricks that were played 787.6011 530 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 787.6011 (pause 0.68) 788.2824 531 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 788.2824 on any teachers. 789.5916 532 DCA_int_05 790.2239 Um, well what were your junior high school and say, high school days like? Whichever one you prefer, you know /junior high school/. 796.5659 533 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 798.9182 I think I prefer high school 800.8552 534 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 800.8552 (pause 0.42) 801.2738 535 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 801.2738 because um, 802.2222 536 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 802.2222 (pause 2.54) 804.7593 537 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 804.7593 I think I didn't start liking school until high school 807.8719 538 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 807.8719 (pause 0.20) 808.0722 539 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 808.0722 really. 808.3916 540 DCA_int_05 808.8014 Mm. 809.2066 541 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 810.2486 And um, 811.1080 542 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 811.1080 (pause 1.15) 812.2569 543 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 812.2569 I just found that whole experience quite pleasurable. 815.3283 544 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 815.3283 (pause 0.63) 815.9606 545 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 815.9606 And I started taking- Well actually, I started taking a foreign language in the eighth grade, 820.5370 546 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 820.5370 (pause 0.51) 821.0447 547 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 821.0447 but I really got into it 822.5319 548 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 822.5319 (pause 0.77) 823.2978 549 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 823.2978 in high school. 824.3710 550 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 824.3710 (pause 0.80) 825.1758 551 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 825.1758 And uh, I really enjoyed it. 826.8323 552 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 826.8323 (pause 0.36) 827.1886 553 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 827.1886 I took Spanish. 828.3419 554 DCA_int_05 828.8985 Mm-hm. 829.4640 555 DCA_int_05 829.4640 (pause 1.03) 830.4971 556 DCA_int_05 830.4971 Um- 830.8611 557 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 830.8639 And I became more active in uh- uh- 833.6902 558 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 833.6902 (pause 0.80) 834.4946 559 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 834.4946 thespian. 835.4609 560 DCA_int_05 836.0621 Mm-hm. 836.6187 561 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 836.7556 So um, 837.5616 562 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 837.5616 (pause 0.29) 837.8555 563 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 837.8555 I enjoyed that. 838.8039 564 DCA_int_05 839.9528 Um, in your elementary school, did you 841.7874 565 DCA_int_05 841.7874 (pause 0.35) 842.1392 566 DCA_int_05 842.1392 go to one of those schools where they change classes? 844.3645 567 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 844.8232 In elementary school? 846.0165 568 DCA_int_05 845.8785 Uh-huh. 846.2169 569 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 846.4084 No. 846.8047 570 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 846.8047 (pause 0.79) 847.5918 571 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 847.5918 Mm-mm. 847.8946 572 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 847.8946 (pause 0.40) 848.2909 573 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 848.2909 We weren't that progressive. [] 851.6127 574 DCA_int_05 849.8494 [] Aw. 853.4930 575 DCA_int_05 854.0384 Um, is there a bunch of people that you hang around with now? 857.1154 576 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 859.1459 No. 859.6224 577 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 859.6224 (pause 0.53) 860.1556 578 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 860.1556 Not really. 860.8948 579 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 860.8948 (pause 1.97) 862.8630 580 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 862.8630 I uh, 863.5888 581 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 863.5888 (pause 2.56) 866.1481 582 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 866.1481 I have several circles of friends. I'll put it that way. 869.4967 583 DCA_int_05 869.6525 Uh-huh. 870.2181 584 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 870.5208 Mm-hm. 870.8637 585 DCA_int_05 870.7201 Um, what do you do? You know, 872.6972 586 DCA_int_05 872.9555 with your friends? 873.7481 587 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 874.3181 Well sometimes we go to parties. 876.5837 588 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 876.5837 (pause 1.22) 877.8036 589 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 877.8036 Um, 878.4314 590 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 878.4314 (pause 2.48) 880.9162 591 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 880.9162 uh, let's see. 882.3055 592 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 882.3055 (pause 1.04) 883.3419 593 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 883.3419 We go to the movie, um, 885.2922 594 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 885.2922 (pause 2.15) 887.4430 595 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 887.4430 sometimes we go to cultural functions. [ If we find the time. ] 894.5699 596 DCA_int_05 889.7129 [] Aw. 895.2289 597 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 895.6430 Listen to music 896.7028 598 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 896.7028 (pause 0.46) 897.1659 599 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 897.1659 [of various] types. 898.5018 600 DCA_int_05 897.1971 [Mm-hm.] 897.6201 601 DCA_int_05 899.0673 Mm. 899.4903 602 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 899.7564 Mm-hm. 900.2106 603 DCA_int_05 900.2195 Um, have you been to the movies recently? 902.3747 604 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 903.3098 Yes, as a matter of fact, I have. 905.3759 605 DCA_int_05 905.3615 What was the last movie you saw? 908.0288 606 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 908.1757 The Killing of Sister George. [] 913.1975 607 DCA_int_05 909.9747 [Oh, yeah. ] 913.1886 608 DCA_int_05 914.1682 What was that about? 917.6092 609 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 918.7090 Well uh, um, it was a story. 921.5901 610 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 921.5901 (pause 0.93) 922.5196 611 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 922.5196 It was a little confusing in the beginning, 924.8351 612 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 924.8351 (pause 0.28) 925.1112 613 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 925.1112 but it was more or less about um, 927.3644 614 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 927.3644 (pause 2.25) 929.6164 615 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 929.6164 an actress- 930.7786 616 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 930.7786 (pause 0.66) 931.4421 617 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 931.4421 Thank you- 931.9987 618 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 931.9987 (pause 0.79) 932.7869 619 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 932.7869 who um, 933.7932 620 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 933.7932 (pause 1.74) 935.5332 621 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 935.5332 had played a certain part so long 938.0847 622 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 938.0847 (pause 0.85) 938.9397 623 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 938.9397 that uh, 939.8481 624 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 939.8481 (pause 3.34) 943.1866 625 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 943.1866 she had started to actually live the part 945.5456 626 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 945.5456 (pause 0.24) 945.7905 627 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 945.7905 in a sense. 946.7256 628 DCA_int_05 947.0195 Mm. 947.4202 629 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 947.4559 She actually thought that she was this character that she portrayed, 951.1507 630 DCA_int_05 951.7563 Mm-hm. 952.2327 631 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 952.1748 and then, too, she had a little 953.9026 632 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 954.7352 problem too. She was homosexual. 956.8860 633 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 956.8860 (pause 1.68) 958.5636 634 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 958.5636 And um, 959.3340 635 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 959.3340 (pause 0.59) 959.9262 636 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 959.9262 she was a very 960.7945 637 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 960.7945 (pause 0.18) 960.9771 638 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 960.9771 uninhibited 961.9256 639 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 961.9256 (pause 0.52) 962.4421 640 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 962.4421 person, 962.9943 641 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 962.9943 (pause 1.17) 964.1643 642 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 964.1643 and uh, I think the story more or less was trying to show um- 967.8691 643 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 967.8691 (pause 1.26) 969.1326 644 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 969.1326 Well the character that she played was Sister George. 972.3627 645 DCA_int_05 972.4945 Mm-hm. 972.9398 646 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 972.8997 That was her name. 973.9952 647 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 974.9559 And uh, she had taken on the character of this person to [such an extent] that uh, 979.8941 648 DCA_int_05 978.4380 [Mm-hm.] 978.9101 649 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 980.8771 they even called her 982.2085 650 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 982.2085 (pause 0.38) 982.5870 651 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 982.5870 in uh- 983.2728 652 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 983.2728 (pause 0.28) 983.5533 653 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 983.5533 at the studio, they called her George. Well this 986.0024 654 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 986.0024 (pause 0.32) 986.3264 655 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 986.3264 served for dual purposes. [] 988.8423 656 DCA_int_05 987.5643 [] 988.7844 657 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 989.2786 But uh, 990.0980 658 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 990.0980 (pause 1.83) 991.9270 659 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 991.9270 it showed her trials and tribulations at being canceled as this character that she had come so to love. 998.0531 660 DCA_int_05 998.2223 Mm-hm. 998.7522 661 DCA_int_05 998.7522 (pause 1.38) 1000.1326 662 DCA_int_05 1000.1326 [Mm-hm.] 1000.6766 663 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1000.2896 [And it showed] that at the time that she lost uh, 1002.8266 664 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1003.4890 her part as Sister George, she lost just about everything that she had been striving for. 1008.5475 665 DCA_int_05 1008.8449 Mm-hm. 1009.4369 666 DCA_int_05 1009.4369 (pause 3.53) 1012.9681 667 DCA_int_05 1012.9681 Did you enjoy it? 1013.7507 668 DCA_int_05 1013.7507 (pause 1.15) 1014.8995 669 DCA_int_05 1014.8995 The [movie?] 1015.4072 670 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1015.2201 [Yes] I enjoyed it. It was quite amusing. 1017.1660 671 DCA_int_05 1017.8518 Hm. 1018.1501 672 DCA_int_05 1018.1501 (pause 0.46) 1018.6145 673 DCA_int_05 1018.6145 [I saw it with a funny] audience, too. Um, 1022.8937 674 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1018.6234 [Quite amusing.] 1019.6065 675 DCA_int_05 1024.4066 let's see. 1025.2527 676 DCA_int_05 1025.2527 (pause 1.19) 1026.4416 677 DCA_int_05 1026.4416 When you were um, 1027.3411 678 DCA_int_05 1027.3411 (pause 0.55) 1027.8888 679 DCA_int_05 1027.8888 say younger in high school and all, was there a group that you 1030.4748 680 DCA_int_05 1030.4748 (pause 0.40) 1030.8711 681 DCA_int_05 1030.8711 usually hung around with at that time? You know, close friends. 1033.7655 682 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1034.3611 No, 1034.9088 683 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1034.9088 (pause 0.35) 1035.2561 684 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1035.2561 uh, 1035.7058 685 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1035.7058 (pause 0.69) 1036.4005 686 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1036.4005 i- even then I had uh, 1038.4978 687 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1038.4978 (pause 2.35) 1040.8434 688 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1040.8434 different circles of friends. 1042.5582 689 DCA_int_05 1042.7403 Mm-hm. 1043.1722 690 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1043.1322 In other words, one day I may be with uh, 1045.5145 691 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1046.1813 1046.5642 692 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1046.5642 (pause 1.60) 1048.1628 693 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1048.1628 say the people who lived in my immediate area. 1050.5496 694 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1050.5496 (pause 0.71) 1051.2609 695 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1051.2609 And then another day I might be with uh, 1053.2291 696 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1053.2291 (pause 0.77) 1054.0039 697 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1054.0039 people that I- I knew from school or people that I had met through other people. 1057.8991 698 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1057.8991 (pause 1.42) 1059.3151 699 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1059.3151 And uh, 1059.9786 700 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1059.9786 (pause 0.79) 1060.7668 701 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1060.7668 sometimes the groups would merge, 1062.8808 702 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1062.8808 (pause 0.17) 1063.0500 703 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1063.0500 but not uh, 1064.0608 704 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1064.0608 (pause 0.53) 1064.5907 705 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1064.5907 very often. 1065.3076 706 DCA_int_05 1065.8420 Um, what was the- what was the difference in your two groups? 1068.2732 707 DCA_int_05 1068.2732 (pause 0.50) 1068.7753 708 DCA_int_05 1068.7753 I mean, you know, 1069.4032 709 DCA_int_05 1069.4032 (pause 0.35) 1069.7550 710 DCA_int_05 1069.7550 /between two groups/. 1070.7791 711 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1071.8834 Well uh, 1072.8007 712 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1072.8007 (pause 2.08) 1074.8836 713 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1074.8836 one group was a little wilder than the other. 1077.1902 714 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1077.1902 (pause 0.58) 1077.7735 715 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1077.7735 Uh, 1078.2233 716 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1078.2233 (pause 2.68) 1080.8983 717 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1080.8983 one group went in for more cultural activities like going to a nice concert or um, 1086.8062 718 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1086.8062 (pause 0.98) 1087.7814 719 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1087.7814 a ballet or something like that. 1089.8075 720 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1089.8075 (pause 0.65) 1090.4621 721 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1090.4621 And if I was in a mood for that, then uh, 1092.9501 722 DCA_int_05 1093.8630 [Mm-hm.] 1094.2326 723 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1093.8763 [I'd be] with them. 1094.9450 724 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1095.4749 If I was in a mood for 1096.6505 725 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1096.6505 (pause 0.48) 1097.1258 726 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1097.1258 partying, 1097.8160 727 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1097.8160 (pause 0.29) 1098.1055 728 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1098.1055 I had another circle of friends. 1099.6907 729 DCA_int_05 1099.7931 Mm-hm. 1100.3586 730 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1101.0800 So it would depend on what mood I was in as to which group I was with at any given time. 1105.7010 731 DCA_int_05 1105.9147 Mm-hm. 1106.4357 732 DCA_int_05 1106.4357 (pause 0.42) 1106.8588 733 DCA_int_05 1106.8588 Were the um, kids in your neighborhood very close? 1108.8771 734 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1112.9359 Uh, in a sense, yes. 1114.7115 735 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1114.7115 (pause 1.78) 1116.4882 736 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1116.4882 But then there were cliques within the neighborhood as uh, 1119.3675 737 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1119.3675 (pause 0.75) 1120.1162 738 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1120.1162 within schools or anywhere else. 1121.8172 739 DCA_int_05 1122.0042 Mm-hm. 1122.4717 740 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1122.3293 So. 1122.6588 741 DCA_int_05 1122.9348 Oh that's true. 1123.6963 742 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1123.7052 But for the most part, they stuck together 1126.1231 743 DCA_int_05 1126.4782 Mm-hm. 1126.9814 744 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1127.0215 as a neighborhood. 1128.0679 745 DCA_int_05 1128.5800 Yeah. 1129.1812 746 DCA_int_05 1129.1812 (pause 0.40) 1129.5819 747 DCA_int_05 1129.5819 Um, 1129.9738 748 DCA_int_05 1129.9738 (pause 0.27) 1130.2454 749 DCA_int_05 1130.2454 are there any people - 1131.2462 750 DCA_int_05 1131.2462 (pause 0.70) 1131.9498 751 DCA_int_05 1131.9498 /Excuse me/ - In your present group that speak a foreign language /now/? 1135.0222 752 DCA_int_05 1135.0222 (pause 1.41) 1136.4294 753 DCA_int_05 1136.4294 I mean, you know, as a native speaker. 1137.9155 754 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1139.0154 Uh, yes. 1140.0128 755 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1140.0128 (pause 0.93) 1140.9428 756 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1140.9428 Spanish. 1141.7049 757 DCA_int_05 1142.2649 Uh-huh. 1142.6924 758 DCA_int_05 1142.6924 (pause 0.34) 1143.0308 759 DCA_int_05 1143.0308 Are there any whites in your group? 1144.4646 760 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1147.2165 Um, 1147.9156 761 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1147.9156 (pause 1.76) 1149.6734 762 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1149.6734 two 1150.1053 763 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1150.1053 (pause 0.17) 1150.2790 764 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1150.2790 that I can think of. 1151.3833 765 DCA_int_05 1151.5614 Mm-hm. 1152.1181 766 DCA_int_05 1152.1181 (pause 0.89) 1153.0086 767 DCA_int_05 1153.0086 Um- 1153.6142 768 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1154.2098 They're bilingual, too. [] 1157.5584 769 DCA_int_05 1155.9464 [] Um. 1159.2772 770 DCA_int_05 1159.6067 Is there any one person in the group that everyone seems to listen to or regards as a- 1164.2055 771 DCA_int_05 1164.2055 (pause 0.96) 1165.1628 772 DCA_int_05 1165.1628 well, more or less a leader. 1166.7692 773 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1166.9919 Yes, me. 1167.7177 774 DCA_int_05 1168.9155 Oh, w- why is that? 1170.0911 775 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1172.1160 Well uh, 1173.1358 776 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1173.1358 (pause 3.39) 1176.5244 777 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1176.5244 without sounding immodest, uh- 1178.7097 778 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1178.7097 (pause 0.73) 1179.4444 779 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1179.4444 I am very understanding, and I have certain insights into things that uh, 1184.2791 780 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1184.2791 (pause 1.67) 1185.9445 781 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1185.9445 people usually find helpful [in certain] s- [situations.] 1189.9377 782 DCA_int_05 1188.1264 [Mm-hm.] 1188.5673 783 DCA_int_05 1188.5673 (pause 0.47) 1189.0407 784 DCA_int_05 1189.0407 [Um.] 1189.4930 785 DCA_int_05 1189.4930 (pause 0.16) 1189.6482 786 DCA_int_05 1189.6482 /Like what exactly/? 1190.7525 787 misc 1192.7875 /Rowlie, who are you talking to?/ 1194.5909 788 DCA_int_05 1193.3664 [/We were talking about/] um, about- 1195.7387 789 DCA_int_05 1196.1884 We were talking about um, 1197.6267 790 DCA_int_05 1197.6267 (pause 1.16) 1198.7889 791 DCA_int_05 1198.7889 Oh, the person that's a leader. You said that you were the leader more or less in your group. 1202.8177 792 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1203.1917 [Yes.] 1203.8151 793 DCA_int_05 1203.1962 [Oh wait a minute.] 1203.8864 794 DCA_int_05 1205.6586 Um, we were talking about 1207.2071 795 DCA_int_05 1207.2071 (pause 0.38) 1207.5856 796 DCA_int_05 1207.5856 um, you said you were the um, 1209.0640 797 DCA_int_05 1209.0640 (pause 0.21) 1209.2733 798 DCA_int_05 1209.2733 leader in your group. Why was that? [] 1212.2033 799 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1211.0589 [Mm-hm.] 1211.4953 800 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1213.8319 Uh, 1214.4642 801 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1214.4642 (pause 1.59) 1216.0539 802 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1216.0539 as I said, because um, 1217.8663 803 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1217.8663 (pause 1.41) 1219.2723 804 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1219.2723 most people tend to think that I have 1221.1959 805 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1221.1959 (pause 0.18) 1221.3740 806 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1221.3740 a little insight 1222.3403 807 DCA_int_05 1222.3047 1222.8658 808 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1222.8346 uh, 1223.2086 809 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1224.2361 into matters dealing with life in general. 1227.1394 810 DCA_int_05 1227.2597 Mm-hm. 1227.7940 811 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1228.0033 [And they seem] to- 1229.2768 812 DCA_int_05 1228.0033 [/inaudible/] 1228.7336 813 DCA_int_05 1229.3692 Well go on. I'm /inaudible/. 1231.5690 814 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1231.5912 They seem to pay attention to what I say, 1233.9067 815 DCA_int_05 1234.5468 Mm-hm. 1234.9387 816 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1234.8363 be it right or wrong. 1235.9584 817 DCA_int_05 1235.9228 1238.2205 818 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1238.0691 So I- I- I don't really know why, 1240.4514 819 DCA_int_05 1240.8688 Mm-hm. 1241.1672 820 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1241.1316 but that- that's just my idea of it. 1243.8256 821 DCA_int_05 1244.8631 Mm-hm. 1245.2416 822 DCA_int_05 1245.2416 (pause 0.23) 1245.4731 823 DCA_int_05 1245.4731 /That's great/. 1246.2212 824 DCA_int_05 1246.2212 (pause 0.32) 1246.5452 825 DCA_int_05 1246.5452 Um, do they come to you with problems, this type of thing? 1249.7201 826 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1250.3168 Yes, 1250.9268 827 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1250.9268 (pause 0.24) 1251.1717 828 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1251.1717 [quite a bit.] 1251.8308 829 DCA_int_05 1251.3755 [/Oh really?/] 1251.8564 830 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1251.9855 [Mm-hm.] 1252.3907 831 DCA_int_05 1252.1503 [Can you] tell us any of the juicy ones (laughing)? [ I mean no names. ] 1259.9907 832 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1254.5548 [Oh, I wouldn't dare divulge any secrets. ] 1259.9774 833 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1261.0505 Now some of my friends might listen to this and uh, recognize themselves. 1265.4845 834 DCA_int_05 1265.8541 Oh okay. [] 1267.7822 835 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1266.5042 [] 1267.7020 836 DCA_int_05 1268.6817 Um, 1269.2116 837 DCA_int_05 1269.2116 (pause 0.51) 1269.7225 838 DCA_int_05 1269.7225 if you were um, 1270.7645 839 DCA_int_05 1270.7645 (pause 0.55) 1271.3122 840 DCA_int_05 1271.3122 in your group- say your neighborhood group- If someone wanted to get in that was new, you know, a new kid moved into the neighborhood. What would they have to do? 1278.2176 841 DCA_int_05 1278.2176 (pause 1.13) 1279.3441 842 DCA_int_05 1279.3441 In order to be accepted into their group? 1281.1776 843 DCA_int_05 1281.1776 (pause 0.26) 1281.4404 844 DCA_int_05 1281.4404 Or what- You know, what type of group [/did you play in/?] 1283.5599 845 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1282.8608 [What do you mean, when] I was [younger?] 1284.5663 846 DCA_int_05 1284.4238 [Yeah.] [Mm-hm.] 1285.3856 847 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1285.1140 [Uh], 1285.5726 848 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1286.2528 say elementary school age? 1287.7980 849 DCA_int_05 1287.9138 Yeah, well, you know, any time when you were younger. Could have been elementary /inaudible/. 1291.2552 850 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1292.0761 Oh. 1292.6550 851 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1292.6550 (pause 0.39) 1293.0424 852 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1293.0424 Well, as far as I was concerned, they really didn't have to do anything except be themselves, 1298.8167 853 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1298.8167 (pause 0.17) 1298.9859 854 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1298.9859 and if I didn't like what they were 1300.8491 855 DCA_int_05 1302.2098 Mm-hm. 1302.7798 856 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1302.7798 then uh, I would act accordingly. 1304.6800 857 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1305.2856 But I can honestly say I don't I've ever discriminated 1309.2264 858 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1309.2264 (pause 0.77) 1309.9957 859 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1309.9957 against anyone because of any uh, 1312.3780 860 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1312.3780 (pause 1.58) 1313.9588 861 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1313.9588 physical or 1315.3602 862 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1315.3602 (pause 1.43) 1316.7853 863 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1316.7853 mental 1317.6580 864 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1317.6580 (pause 1.02) 1318.6777 865 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1318.6777 uh, 1319.2655 866 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1319.2655 (pause 2.08) 1321.3484 867 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1321.3484 problems that uh- Well at least that I viewed as problems 1325.3337 868 DCA_int_05 1325.6588 Mm-hm. 1326.0729 869 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1326.0139 because I thought that everyone had to uh, 1328.4496 870 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1329.0196 do his own thing, [you know.] 1330.6761 871 DCA_int_05 1329.8835 [] 1330.9121 872 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1331.1392 I've always felt this way, but now I'm glad I'm in style. 1334.1705 873 DCA_int_05 1334.4377 [] Aw. 1338.4205 874 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1335.1012 [] 1336.7710 875 DCA_int_05 1338.7203 Well um, 1339.5886 876 DCA_int_05 1339.5886 (pause 0.33) 1339.9225 877 DCA_int_05 1339.9225 predominately, what kind of kids, you know, were in your group? 1342.3137 878 DCA_int_05 1342.3137 (pause 0.73) 1343.0396 879 DCA_int_05 1343.0396 Basically. 1344.1428 880 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1345.1246 1345.2179 881 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1345.2179 (pause 0.28) 1345.5009 882 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1345.5009 Well um, 1346.7032 883 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1346.7032 (pause 1.75) 1348.4487 884 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1348.4487 until I entered uh- 1350.2243 885 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1350.2243 (pause 0.30) 1350.5271 886 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1350.5271 Well uh, 1351.7695 887 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1351.7695 (pause 1.89) 1353.6575 888 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1353.6575 in my close group, 1354.9934 889 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1354.9934 (pause 0.49) 1355.4865 890 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1355.4865 mostly black kids 1356.9783 891 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1356.9783 (pause 0.63) 1357.6106 892 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1357.6106 um, 1358.0870 893 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1358.0870 (pause 2.71) 1360.7978 894 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1360.7978 1360.8771 895 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1360.8771 (pause 0.09) 1360.9670 896 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1360.9670 of, I would say, 1362.6350 897 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1362.6350 (pause 2.60) 1365.2328 898 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1365.2328 I suppose lower middle class. 1367.3379 899 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1367.3379 (pause 0.90) 1368.2419 900 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1368.2419 Uh, 1368.9143 901 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1368.9143 (pause 2.25) 1371.1630 902 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1371.1630 f- Uh, financially speaking, lower middle class. 1374.4615 903 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1374.4615 (pause 1.24) 1375.7038 904 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1375.7038 Um, 1376.2649 905 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1376.2649 (pause 2.17) 1378.4324 906 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1378.4324 I guess you found the same type of uh, 1380.6766 907 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1380.6766 (pause 0.39) 1381.0640 908 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1381.0640 kids that you would find in any uh, socioeconomic group. 1384.6252 909 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1384.6252 (pause 1.16) 1385.7874 910 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1385.7874 Um, 1386.4732 911 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1386.4732 (pause 1.98) 1388.4503 912 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1388.4503 we had some who were very easy to get along with, 1391.2456 913 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1391.2456 (pause 1.38) 1392.6260 914 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1392.6260 uh, those who were very hard to [get along with. ] 1395.7330 915 DCA_int_05 1394.6698 [] 1396.4900 916 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1396.4544 And uh, 1397.3405 917 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1399.2552 1399.3671 918 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1399.3671 (pause 0.19) 1399.5583 919 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1399.5583 we had- 1400.0924 920 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1400.0924 (pause 0.58) 1400.6712 921 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1400.6712 But uh, truthfully speaking, uh, 1403.1326 922 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1403.1326 (pause 0.68) 1403.8139 923 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1403.8139 when I think about it, most of my 1405.9201 924 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1405.9201 (pause 0.49) 1406.4099 925 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1406.4099 friends were 1407.5443 926 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1407.5443 (pause 1.08) 1408.6219 927 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1408.6219 those who were interested in uh, 1410.9819 928 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1410.9819 (pause 1.23) 1412.2143 929 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1412.2143 I might say the better things in life. 1414.5659 930 DCA_int_05 1414.7435 Mm-hm. 1415.3285 931 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1415.9414 I don't know whether that was purely accident or what 1418.7678 932 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1418.7678 (pause 0.21) 1418.9816 933 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1418.9816 because most of my friends did go to college. 1421.5687 934 DCA_int_05 1421.6092 Mm-hm. 1422.0382 935 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1422.5573 And uh, most of them did finish. 1424.7871 936 DCA_int_05 1424.9245 Mm-hm. 1425.4525 937 DCA_int_05 1425.4525 (pause 1.08) 1426.5281 938 DCA_int_05 1426.5281 That's great. 1427.3386 939 DCA_int_05 1427.3386 (pause 1.39) 1428.7279 940 DCA_int_05 1428.7279 Um, 1429.2400 941 DCA_int_05 1429.2400 (pause 0.30) 1429.5372 942 DCA_int_05 1429.5372 if you could do it all over again, 1431.2070 943 DCA_int_05 1431.2070 (pause 0.26) 1431.4653 944 DCA_int_05 1431.4653 would um, there be anything in your life that you would change? 1434.7397 945 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1439.1365 Yes. 1440.2319 946 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1440.2319 (pause 0.14) 1440.3700 947 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1440.3700 Well, no. 1441.1136 948 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1441.1136 (pause 0.27) 1441.3841 949 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1441.3841 No, 1441.8116 950 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1441.8116 (pause 0.21) 1442.0254 951 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1442.0254 I was about to say that uh, 1443.9178 952 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1443.9178 (pause 1.93) 1445.8459 953 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1445.8459 I would have changed 1447.4167 954 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1447.4167 (pause 1.27) 1448.6858 955 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1448.6858 1449.1266 956 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1449.1266 (pause 1.23) 1450.3601 957 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1450.3601 the route 1451.4020 958 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1451.4020 (pause 0.45) 1451.8562 959 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1451.8562 that I took, 1452.8003 960 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1452.8003 (pause 0.56) 1453.3602 961 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1453.3602 as far as uh, going to 1455.4308 962 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1455.4308 (pause 1.54) 1456.9671 963 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1456.9671 college was concerned. 1458.7516 964 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1458.7516 (pause 0.54) 1459.2904 965 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1459.2904 I went to 1460.4214 966 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1460.4214 (pause 1.91) 1462.3317 967 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1462.3317 uh, a college here in the city, and I think uh, the only thing about that that I would change 1467.4024 968 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1467.4024 (pause 0.72) 1468.1238 969 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1468.1238 would be that I would have gone out of town. 1470.4516 970 DCA_int_05 1471.0082 /Mm-hm./ 1471.3511 971 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1471.2887 But 1471.5915 972 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1472.0858 I don't think I would exchange the experi- the life experiences 1476.5776 973 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1476.5776 (pause 1.29) 1477.8645 974 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1477.8645 that 1478.1718 975 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1478.1718 (pause 0.40) 1478.5681 976 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1478.5681 I probably would have missed 1480.6699 977 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1480.6699 (pause 0.82) 1481.4881 978 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1481.4881 by continuing straight through school. 1483.7279 979 DCA_int_05 1483.7448 Mm-hm. 1484.1368 980 DCA_int_05 1484.1368 (pause 1.71) 1485.8475 981 DCA_int_05 1485.8475 Um, 1486.3907 982 DCA_int_05 1486.3907 (pause 0.28) 1486.6702 983 DCA_int_05 1486.6702 wait a minute. 1487.4672 984 DCA_int_05 1487.4672 (pause 2.68) 1490.1434 985 DCA_int_05 1490.1434 Um, you're in school now, right? 1491.7776 986 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1492.2763 Yes, uh-huh. 1493.1391 987 DCA_int_05 1493.1257 What do you um, plan 1494.3280 988 DCA_int_05 1494.5818 to do when you finish? 1495.6238 989 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1497.7612 Well uh, 1499.4967 990 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1499.4967 (pause 2.35) 1501.8479 991 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1501.8479 I plan to teach the slow learner for awhile, 1504.0832 992 DCA_int_05 1504.6432 /Mm-hm./ 1505.3289 993 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1506.5401 and then after that I'm not quite sure because there's so many things that I am interested in 1512.1318 994 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1512.1318 (pause 0.94) 1513.0714 995 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1513.0714 as far as helping the so called 1515.6096 996 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1515.6096 (pause 0.16) 1515.7688 997 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1515.7688 underprivileged child. 1517.4653 998 DCA_int_05 1517.7102 Mm-hm. 1518.2401 999 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1519.6205 And uh, 1520.4309 1000 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1520.4309 (pause 0.97) 1521.3961 1001 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1521.3961 I think um, 1522.5227 1002 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1522.5227 (pause 0.98) 1523.5068 1003 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1523.5068 I have a sort of idea of overturning the system, which I probably will have to get out of my mind. [You know. ] 1530.0514 1004 DCA_int_05 1528.8180 [ Aw.] 1531.8059 1005 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1530.3542 [But I- I just feel that it's] necessary, and I feel that there is nothing, absolutely nothing 1536.1610 1006 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1536.5293 that can be done 1537.6202 1007 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1537.6202 (pause 0.80) 1538.4251 1008 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1538.4251 until the entire educational system in Washington DC is completely destroyed and rebuilt. 1545.1078 1009 DCA_int_05 1545.4240 Mm-hm. 1545.9539 1010 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1546.1320 Now that may [sound]- 1547.3298 1011 DCA_int_05 1546.8533 [Mm. ] 1550.1663 1012 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1547.6281 [That may sound rather extreme.] 1550.2808 1013 DCA_int_05 1550.6372 Aw. 1551.0380 1014 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1551.3319 But um, 1552.1824 1015 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1552.1824 (pause 0.24) 1552.4273 1016 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1552.4273 [this is just the way I feel.] 1554.0382 1017 DCA_int_05 1552.4584 [Sounds like you /believe in/ Stokely Carmichael's] black [power ] 1557.5247 1018 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1555.1806 [] 1557.4980 1019 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1558.3975 This is [purely] personal [uh], 1560.7753 1020 DCA_int_05 1558.9096 [Aw.] 1559.3059 1021 DCA_int_05 1559.3059 (pause 0.77) 1560.0807 1022 DCA_int_05 1560.0807 [] 1561.0381 1023 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1561.2106 because I have been on both sides of the fence I know exactly what goes on 1565.7437 1024 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1565.7437 (pause 0.49) 1566.2335 1025 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1566.2335 in the public schools here in the DC- in DC. 1568.9531 1026 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1568.9531 (pause 0.67) 1569.6210 1027 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1569.6210 Um, 1570.2222 1028 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1570.2222 (pause 1.78) 1572.0033 1029 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1572.0033 from the standpoint of a student 1573.8146 1030 DCA_int_05 1574.1174 Mm-hm. 1574.5805 1031 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1574.8432 as well as that uh, of an insider 1577.6218 1032 DCA_int_05 1577.8444 Mm-hm. 1578.2897 1033 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1578.4667 in quotes. 1579.3618 1034 DCA_int_05 1579.5265 1580.8980 1035 DCA_int_05 1580.8980 (pause 0.52) 1581.4190 1036 DCA_int_05 1581.4190 Um, 1582.0424 1037 DCA_int_05 1582.0424 (pause 0.84) 1582.8840 1038 DCA_int_05 1582.8840 when you were younger what did you wanna be when you grew up? 1585.4210 1039 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1587.0820 Well I fluctuated um, back and forth between wanting to be a teacher and a nurse. 1591.9523 1040 DCA_int_05 1592.4065 Hm. 1592.9587 1041 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1593.0967 Then um, 1594.0897 1042 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1594.0897 (pause 2.78) 1596.8672 1043 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1596.8672 I decided when I got older that both positions were confining. 1600.7617 1044 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1600.7617 (pause 0.37) 1601.1275 1045 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1601.1275 I needed something that I could move around in. 1603.5499 1046 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1603.5499 (pause 1.56) 1605.1084 1047 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1605.1084 And uh, 1605.8343 1048 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1605.8343 (pause 0.74) 1606.5734 1049 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1606.5734 when I was in high school, I did volunteer work at /RD-WORK-2/'s Hospital. 1610.7670 1050 DCA_int_05 1611.5996 Hm. 1611.9871 1051 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1612.6583 And um, 1613.3574 1052 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1613.3574 (pause 0.29) 1613.6513 1053 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1613.6513 this was more or less to uh, 1615.6373 1054 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1615.6373 (pause 2.80) 1618.4371 1055 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1618.4371 1618.6197 1056 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1618.6197 (pause 0.42) 1619.0382 1057 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1619.0382 find out whether um, 1620.5032 1058 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1620.5032 (pause 0.33) 1620.8283 1059 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1620.8283 I could make it as a nurse 1622.5382 1060 DCA_int_05 1623.2239 Mm. 1623.7093 1061 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1623.7093 because this had become pretty strong by the time I'd reached high school- my desire to become [a nurse.] 1628.7756 1062 DCA_int_05 1628.2012 [Mm-hm.] 1628.6910 1063 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1630.1104 And um, 1630.8406 1064 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1630.8406 (pause 0.44) 1631.2815 1065 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1631.2815 I think I'll always wonder whether I did the right thing by n- 1634.3005 1066 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1634.3005 (pause 0.50) 1634.8037 1067 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1634.8037 uh, not going into nursing. 1636.7085 1068 DCA_int_05 1636.7797 /Are you really/? 1637.4565 1069 DCA_int_05 1637.4565 (pause 1.05) 1638.5074 1070 DCA_int_05 1638.5074 I think they need someone that 1640.6582 1071 DCA_int_05 1640.6582 (pause 0.63) 1641.2860 1072 DCA_int_05 1641.2860 has your qualities as understanding and all. Some of these nurses are real- Well I can't say the word on the tape. [] 1649.9263 1073 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1647.1973 [ Yeah, I've- I've] had a little difficulty /in- [anyway/] 1651.7828 1074 DCA_int_05 1651.4650 Aw. 1651.9540 1075 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1652.3493 [with that too.] 1653.4167 1076 DCA_int_05 1652.3626 [On you're um,] 1653.4167 1077 DCA_int_05 1653.7865 job, would you describe what you um, 1655.6166 1078 DCA_int_05 1655.6166 (pause 0.29) 1655.9060 1079 DCA_int_05 1655.9060 do in a day's work? 1657.0949 1080 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1657.6827 1657.8787 1081 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1657.8787 (pause 0.71) 1658.5900 1082 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1658.5900 Paperwork. [] 1661.1819 1083 DCA_int_05 1659.6142 [] 1662.0766 1084 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1662.4106 No, well truthfully speaking, um, 1664.6727 1085 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1664.6727 (pause 2.20) 1666.8758 1086 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1666.8758 my job uh, 1668.1226 1087 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1668.1226 (pause 1.54) 1669.6588 1088 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1669.6588 is basically one of 1671.4468 1089 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1671.4468 (pause 0.17) 1671.6146 1090 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1671.6146 uh, 1672.0578 1091 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1672.0578 (pause 0.55) 1672.6055 1092 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1672.6055 keeping 1673.3892 1093 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1673.3892 (pause 0.37) 1673.7588 1094 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1673.7588 a child in school. 1674.9656 1095 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1674.9656 (pause 0.56) 1675.5211 1096 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1675.5211 Supposedly at all costs. 1677.5427 1097 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1677.5427 (pause 0.81) 1678.3576 1098 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1678.3576 Uh, we have some children who stay out of school because um, 1681.8442 1099 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1681.8442 (pause 1.02) 1682.8592 1100 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1682.8592 1682.9478 1101 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1682.9478 (pause 1.17) 1684.1140 1102 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1684.1140 they don't have proper clothing 1685.8952 1103 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1685.8952 (pause 0.33) 1686.2292 1104 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1686.2292 to wear. 1686.8748 1105 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1686.8748 (pause 0.81) 1687.6842 1106 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1687.6842 We have some who stay out of school because they hate the teachers. 1690.8502 1107 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1690.8502 (pause 1.18) 1692.0346 1108 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1692.0346 We have uh, 1693.0009 1109 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1693.0009 (pause 1.45) 1694.4515 1110 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1694.4515 some who stay out of school because they find more interesting st- 1697.1321 1111 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1697.1321 (pause 0.33) 1697.4661 1112 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1697.4661 things- more interesting things in the street to do. 1700.3594 1113 DCA_int_05 1700.4707 Mm-hm. 1700.9605 1114 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1701.8377 And I think all this revolves around motivation. 1705.1050 1115 DCA_int_05 1705.0249 /inaudible/ (whispered) 1705.8442 1116 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1705.8219 True, 1706.3162 1117 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1706.7303 and this comes from the home. 1708.2310 1118 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1708.2310 (pause 0.56) 1708.7920 1119 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1708.7920 So, 1709.3353 1120 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1709.3353 (pause 0.17) 1709.5045 1121 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1709.5045 we try to work with the families 1711.8857 1122 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1711.8857 (pause 0.58) 1712.4690 1123 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1712.4690 as well as working with the child in school. 1714.8691 1124 DCA_int_05 1715.5905 Mm. 1716.0580 1125 DCA_int_05 1716.0580 (pause 1.09) 1717.1435 1126 DCA_int_05 1717.1435 [/inaudible/] 1719.4278 1127 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1717.3884 [And um-] 1717.8559 1128 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1719.7707 Yes, it could be a lot better 1721.5474 1129 DCA_int_05 1721.5863 Mm-hm. 1722.1162 1130 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1722.3745 uh, if it were not for the system holding it back. 1725.3268 1131 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1725.3268 (pause 0.76) 1726.0838 1132 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1726.0838 [This is another] reason why I say the system needs to be destroyed. 1729.2843 1133 DCA_int_05 1726.2797 [/Mm-hm./] 1726.7472 1134 DCA_int_05 1729.4580 Mm-hm. 1729.9300 1135 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1730.5445 Um, 1731.0120 1136 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1731.0120 (pause 1.67) 1732.6774 1137 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1732.6774 but I think uh, the aims of the program 1734.9428 1138 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1734.9428 (pause 1.48) 1736.4212 1139 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1736.4212 are very good. 1737.2182 1140 DCA_int_05 1737.3474 Mm-hm. 1737.8862 1141 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1738.3894 And uh, as long as we have people who 1740.8106 1142 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1740.8106 (pause 0.96) 1741.7680 1143 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1741.7680 um, are understanding, or at least who attempt to understand the problems that these kids have, 1747.2662 1144 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1747.2662 (pause 0.42) 1747.6892 1145 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1747.6892 the program will be a success. 1749.3902 1146 DCA_int_05 1749.4437 Mm-hm. 1749.8400 1147 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1750.1784 Um, 1750.6371 1148 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1750.6371 (pause 1.90) 1752.5373 1149 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1752.5373 some people have no- As a matter of fact, 1754.7549 1150 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1754.7549 (pause 0.43) 1755.1824 1151 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1755.1824 the majority of the people have no idea what these kids go through before they even get to school. 1760.2361 1152 DCA_int_05 1760.6004 Mm. 1760.9923 1153 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1761.3129 Some of them uh, have been up all night. 1764.1750 1154 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1764.1750 (pause 0.34) 1764.5179 1155 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1764.5179 Some of them have no place to sleep period. 1767.1139 1156 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1767.1139 (pause 0.35) 1767.4612 1157 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1767.4612 [Some of] them have uh, 1768.9875 1158 DCA_int_05 1767.5447 [/Oh./] 1767.8253 1159 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1770.5950 um, 1771.1872 1160 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1771.1872 (pause 0.33) 1771.5167 1161 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1771.5167 no food to eat. 1772.7813 1162 DCA_int_05 1773.2612 Mm-hm. 1773.8000 1163 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1773.7465 And if it were not for the free lunches at school, and the free breakfasts, they would have nothing to eat all day long. 1779.7167 1164 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1780.2422 And it's pretty difficult for a child to learn 1782.5889 1165 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1782.5889 (pause 1.60) 1784.1874 1166 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1784.1874 um, 1784.6416 1167 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1784.6416 (pause 0.65) 1785.2951 1168 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1785.2951 in a um, 1786.1055 1169 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1786.1055 (pause 0.18) 1786.2881 1170 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1786.2881 classroom situation, as it is here, 1789.1469 1171 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1789.1469 (pause 1.40) 1790.5484 1172 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1790.5484 or anywhere else for that [matter, on] an empty stomach. 1793.4027 1173 DCA_int_05 1791.7863 [Yeah.] 1792.2005 1174 DCA_int_05 1793.4250 Yeah, that's true. 1794.3913 1175 DCA_int_05 1794.3913 (pause 0.49) 1794.8766 1176 DCA_int_05 1794.8766 [Mm-hm.] 1795.3041 1177 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1795.0815 [Uh,] this is one of man's basic needs- 1797.6659 1178 DCA_int_05 1797.5963 [Mm-hm.] 1798.1351 1179 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1797.7405 [food.] 1798.2375 1180 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1798.6204 And you'd be surprised at how many children 1800.8157 1181 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1800.8157 (pause 0.41) 1801.2254 1182 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1801.2254 don't 1801.6662 1183 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1801.6662 (pause 0.43) 1802.0970 1184 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1802.0970 have the bare necessities as far as food is concerned. 1805.2230 1185 DCA_int_05 1805.6326 Mm. 1806.1135 1186 DCA_int_05 1806.1135 (pause 1.80) 1807.9114 1187 DCA_int_05 1807.9114 Um, 1808.5170 1188 DCA_int_05 1808.5170 (pause 0.73) 1809.2428 1189 DCA_int_05 1809.2428 now this is going completely off the subject, but um, 1811.9101 1190 DCA_int_05 1811.9101 (pause 0.63) 1812.5424 1191 DCA_int_05 1812.5424 how does your family celebrate 1814.1087 1192 DCA_int_05 1814.1087 (pause 0.26) 1814.3670 1193 DCA_int_05 1814.3670 holidays, like Christmas and Easter. 1816.5712 1194 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1819.2017 Christmas? Or [any holiday?] 1820.8671 1195 DCA_int_05 1819.9855 [Mm-hm.] Yeah, well any holiday, and then, you know. 1822.8843 1196 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1824.2825 Well um, 1825.1107 1197 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1825.1107 (pause 0.72) 1825.8265 1198 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1825.8265 in different ways. 1826.9798 1199 DCA_int_05 1826.0581 1826.8240 1200 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1827.1624 Um, 1827.5765 1201 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1827.5765 (pause 1.58) 1829.1573 1202 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1829.1573 whatever 1830.0390 1203 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1830.0390 (pause 0.79) 1830.8305 1204 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1830.8305 we choose to do on a holiday, we usually do as a- as a family group, 1835.0696 1205 DCA_int_05 1836.3332 1836.7384 1206 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1836.9165 which is also, getting back to the other subject, rare 1840.6747 1207 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1840.6747 (pause 0.27) 1840.9419 1208 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1840.9419 among uh, 1841.9391 1209 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1841.9391 (pause 0.66) 1842.6017 1210 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1842.6017 most of the children that I deal with every day. 1845.0286 1211 DCA_int_05 1845.0241 Mm-hm. 1845.5585 1212 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1845.8212 Because there is no real uh, sense of family grouping. 1849.6496 1213 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1849.6496 (pause 2.26) 1851.9072 1214 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1851.9072 But um, 1852.5350 1215 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1852.5350 (pause 1.72) 1854.2528 1216 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1854.2528 now 1854.7559 1217 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1854.7559 (pause 0.43) 1855.1879 1218 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1855.1879 uh, say Christmas day 1856.9824 1219 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1856.9824 (pause 0.79) 1857.7750 1220 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1857.7750 we always spend together. 1859.3246 1221 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1859.3246 (pause 0.60) 1859.9291 1222 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1859.9291 The rest of the holiday we might do 1861.5811 1223 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1861.5811 (pause 0.19) 1861.7726 1224 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1861.7726 whatever we choose to do. 1863.1218 1225 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1863.1218 (pause 1.22) 1864.3464 1226 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1864.3464 Easter Sunday, 1865.4140 1227 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1865.4140 (pause 0.85) 1866.2645 1228 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1866.2645 we spend together. 1867.4267 1229 DCA_int_05 1867.8497 Mm-hm. 1868.4820 1230 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1868.5577 Um, 1869.1188 1231 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1869.1188 (pause 1.99) 1871.1081 1232 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1871.1081 what other holiday is there? 1872.4345 1233 DCA_int_05 1873.3657 Christmas and Easter, [/unintelligible/. ] Aw. 1883.0842 1234 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1874.4211 1874.9198 1235 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1874.9198 (pause 0.37) 1875.2938 1236 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1875.2938 [E- Even Halloween! You know, we spend together. ] 1882.2693 1237 DCA_int_05 1883.5829 Mm-kay. Um, 1884.7629 1238 DCA_int_05 1884.7629 (pause 0.89) 1885.6517 1239 DCA_int_05 1885.6517 well you're a little old for this [question, but I ask anyway (laughing).] 1888.7007 1240 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1887.0607 [] 1888.4868 1241 DCA_int_05 1889.1707 What would you like for Christmas this year? 1891.7279 1242 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1893.5227 Let's see. 1894.3492 1243 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1894.3492 (pause 0.34) 1894.6862 1244 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1894.6862 Um, 1895.1270 1245 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1895.1270 (pause 1.20) 1896.3287 1246 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1896.3287 I think a million dollars. [] 1902.2623 1247 DCA_int_05 1898.6541 [/That's beautiful./ ] 1902.2591 1248 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1903.1828 [Yeah.] 1903.6657 1249 DCA_int_05 1903.2152 [Oh], can't beat that. 1904.5441 1250 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1905.1461 But uh, being [realistic] um- 1907.5964 1251 DCA_int_05 1906.4653 [] 1906.7894 1252 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1910.3311 What do I want for Christmas this year? 1912.4014 1253 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1912.4014 (pause 0.11) 1912.5083 1254 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1912.5083 I think I might like a car. 1914.7576 1255 DCA_int_05 1915.5938 Mm, that's [realistic], huh? 1919.1907 1256 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1916.2680 [Because]- 1916.7315 1257 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1916.7315 (pause 0.63) 1917.3594 1258 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1917.3594 [Yes. You know, that- that's] probably uh, more attainable than a million dollars [right now.] 1922.6409 1259 DCA_int_05 1922.0193 [] 1923.1375 1260 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1923.7015 But um, 1924.5247 1261 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1924.5247 (pause 0.45) 1924.9785 1262 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1924.9785 I need one for my work 1926.2255 1263 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1926.2255 (pause 0.25) 1926.4783 1264 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1926.4783 because um, 1927.2724 1265 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1927.2724 (pause 1.04) 1928.3095 1266 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1928.3095 we have to travel back and forth, particularly at the school that I'm working. 1932.0028 1267 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1932.0028 (pause 1.10) 1933.1056 1268 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1933.1056 Um, 1933.5982 1269 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1933.5982 (pause 1.58) 1935.1791 1270 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1935.1791 the children live 1936.0801 1271 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1936.0801 (pause 0.42) 1936.5047 1272 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1936.5047 in various 1937.2760 1273 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1937.2760 (pause 0.58) 1937.8554 1274 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1937.8554 areas of the city, 1938.9185 1275 DCA_int_05 1939.1583 Mm. 1939.5148 1276 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1939.3755 which means that it's difficult 1940.9571 1277 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1941.2164 to get transportation back and forth. 1943.1830 1278 DCA_int_05 1943.5103 Yeah. 1943.9770 1279 DCA_int_05 1943.9770 (pause 1.11) 1945.0887 1280 DCA_int_05 1945.0887 Um, 1945.8634 1281 DCA_int_05 1945.8634 (pause 1.57) 1947.4313 1282 DCA_int_05 1947.4313 could you tell me about the best Christmas present you ever got? 1950.1668 1283 DCA_int_05 1950.1668 (pause 2.02) 1952.1819 1284 DCA_int_05 1952.1819 [A doll baby.] 1955.5972 1285 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1953.2158 [] 1953.9645 1286 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1956.1191 Uh, 1956.6214 1287 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1956.6214 (pause 0.66) 1957.2859 1288 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1957.2859 best Christmas present that I ever got. 1959.7288 1289 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1959.7288 (pause 3.51) 1963.2382 1290 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1963.2382 I really can't remember. Maybe none of them really impressed me that [much.] 1967.3057 1291 DCA_int_05 1967.1072 [Oh]- ha! 1967.6874 1292 DCA_int_05 1967.9661 I'm sure your parents would love to hear /that/. 1969.8318 1293 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1969.4202 [Yeah,] I'm [sure they would.] 1970.7944 1294 DCA_int_05 1969.9744 [] 1970.7976 1295 DCA_int_05 1971.7400 Um, 1972.2391 1296 DCA_int_05 1972.2391 (pause 0.84) 1973.0818 1297 DCA_int_05 1973.0818 were you ever in a situation where you thought you might die 1975.4989 1298 DCA_int_05 1975.4989 (pause 0.18) 1975.6771 1299 DCA_int_05 1975.6771 or you might be killed? 1976.8601 1300 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1977.7903 Yes. 1978.0691 1301 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1978.0691 (pause 0.74) 1978.8048 1302 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1978.8048 [But I'm not] gonna tell you about it. [] 1983.0174 1303 DCA_int_05 1978.8081 [Oh.] 1979.1451 1304 DCA_int_05 1979.1451 (pause 0.88) 1980.0259 1305 DCA_int_05 1980.0259 [/Oh come on!/ ] 1985.4572 1306 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1985.6517 1986.5786 1307 DCA_int_05 1987.3297 That's not fair. 1989.2063 1308 DCA_int_05 1989.2063 (pause 1.21) 1990.4151 1309 DCA_int_05 1990.4151 [/unintelligible/ ] 1991.9962 1310 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1990.4248 [/unintelligible/ (laughing)] 1992.4667 1311 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1993.0534 Well I'll tell you about one of them. 1995.1787 1312 DCA_int_05 1995.2792 Mm-hm. 1995.7394 1313 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1995.7816 Um, 1997.5739 1314 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1997.5739 (pause 1.55) 1999.1256 1315 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 1999.1256 this summer I was in an automobile accident uh, coming back from uh- 2003.8989 1316 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2003.8989 (pause 2.95) 2006.8443 1317 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2006.8443 coming back from Ohio. 2008.5459 1318 DCA_int_05 2009.5150 Mm-hm. 2009.9104 1319 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2010.2920 Um, 2010.8430 1320 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2010.8430 (pause 1.18) 2012.0195 1321 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2012.0195 a man side swiped the car on the highway. 2014.7996 1322 DCA_int_05 2015.2436 /Mm-hm/. 2015.7622 1323 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2015.8497 Um, 2016.3489 1324 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2016.3489 (pause 1.05) 2017.3957 1325 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2017.3957 and uh, 2018.1736 1326 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2018.1736 (pause 0.26) 2018.4386 1327 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2018.4386 what happened? 2019.3169 1328 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2019.3169 (pause 0.33) 2019.6475 1329 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2019.6475 Oh, 2019.9522 1330 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2019.9522 (pause 0.14) 2020.0948 1331 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2020.0948 uh, the driver swerved 2021.8126 1332 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2021.8126 (pause 0.46) 2022.2695 1333 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2022.2695 to avoid hitting the car, 2023.8342 1334 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2023.8342 (pause 0.91) 2024.7417 1335 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2024.7417 and um, 2025.4385 1336 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2025.4385 (pause 0.44) 2025.8761 1337 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2025.8761 we hit the uh- 2027.0494 1338 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2027.0494 (pause 1.59) 2028.6367 1339 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2028.6367 They call them medians 2029.8618 1340 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2029.8618 (pause 0.24) 2030.0984 1341 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2030.0984 or something, [in the middle] of the [highway.] 2032.0293 1342 DCA_int_05 2030.4841 [Oh, yeah.] 2031.1388 1343 DCA_int_05 2031.1388 (pause 0.36) 2031.4978 1344 DCA_int_05 2031.4978 [Mm-hm.] 2031.9905 1345 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2032.7975 And this- At the uh, s- rate of speed at 2035.2704 1346 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2035.2704 (pause 0.23) 2035.4965 1347 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2035.4965 the car was going, 2036.5304 1348 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2036.5304 (pause 0.60) 2037.1300 1349 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2037.1300 um, 2037.5157 1350 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2037.5157 (pause 0.35) 2037.8625 1351 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2037.8625 it turned it a- 2038.6534 1352 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2038.6534 (pause 0.41) 2039.0650 1353 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2039.0650 it turned it around completely. 2040.8695 1354 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2040.8695 (pause 0.20) 2041.0704 1355 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2041.0704 And uh, the car flipped on the other side of the uh, median. 2044.2978 1356 DCA_int_05 2043.7468 [Good] heavens. 2044.9687 1357 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2045.0335 And we were going back in the way that we came on the wrong side of the [highway (laughing).] 2049.5119 1358 DCA_int_05 2048.7762 [Oh! Ha.] 2049.5962 1359 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2050.0694 And there was a 2051.4533 1360 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2051.4533 (pause 1.37) 2052.8235 1361 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2052.8235 ten ton truck bearing down on us you know. 2055.3386 1362 DCA_int_05 2056.1999 [Mm!] 2056.4949 1363 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2056.3555 [But] it just so happened that uh, there was no car 2059.7262 1364 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2060.0625 in the outside lane and the truck swerved 2062.8337 1365 DCA_int_05 2063.0378 [Uh-huh.] 2063.5046 1366 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2063.0573 [and missed] us. 2063.9713 1367 DCA_int_05 2064.9104 [/Oh my goodness./] 2065.9406 1368 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2065.2118 [But otherwise] we would have been crushed. 2066.9717 1369 DCA_int_05 2067.1338 Mm-hm. 2067.8015 1370 DCA_int_05 2067.8015 (pause 0.92) 2068.7244 1371 DCA_int_05 2068.7244 Um, 2069.3013 1372 DCA_int_05 2069.3013 (pause 0.24) 2069.5379 1373 DCA_int_05 2069.5379 sometimes people say that whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen. /How do you/ think about that? 2074.0260 1374 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2078.6341 I don't know whether I can totally agree with that 2080.9547 1375 DCA_int_05 2082.2946 Mm. 2082.6026 1376 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2082.5582 because I feel that uh, 2084.1691 1377 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2088.1386 we 2088.9706 1378 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2088.9706 (pause 1.39) 2090.3645 1379 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2090.3645 make 2091.0548 1380 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2091.0548 (pause 2.00) 2093.0578 1381 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2093.0578 some of the things happen to us 2095.0049 1382 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2095.0049 (pause 0.62) 2095.6240 1383 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2095.6240 that happen 2096.2365 1384 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2096.2365 (pause 0.39) 2096.6287 1385 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2096.6287 to us. 2097.2510 1386 DCA_int_05 2097.4098 Mm-hm. 2097.9859 1387 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2099.1657 And um, 2099.8496 1388 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2099.8496 (pause 2.63) 2102.4805 1389 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2102.4805 I don't know. I- I- I think I'm a little divided on this point really 2106.0425 1390 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2106.0425 (pause 0.27) 2106.3172 1391 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2106.3172 because in a sense I believe in predestiny 2109.2666 1392 DCA_int_05 2109.7106 Mm-hm. 2110.1676 1393 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2110.8637 and then in another sense I don't. 2112.8245 1394 DCA_int_05 2113.6672 Mm-hm. 2114.1599 1395 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2115.0115 Or I don't believe in it completely, I'll say that. 2117.8150 1396 DCA_int_05 2117.9860 Mm-hm. 2118.5208 1397 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2121.0229 Because I think I have been in some situations that I could have avoided 2124.6133 1398 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2124.6133 (pause 0.14) 2124.7559 1399 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2124.7559 by acting in another manner. 2126.3991 1400 DCA_int_05 2126.8456 Mm-hm. 2127.4030 1401 DCA_se3_ag2_f_02 2128.0869 [So.] 2128.5698 1402 DCA_int_05 2128.0999 [Yeah], I see what you're saying. 2129.5859