Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DCA_int_01 0.5594 Okay, uh, 1.6700 2 DCA_int_01 1.6700 (pause 0.51) 2.1826 3 DCA_int_01 2.1826 do you recall what kind of games you used to play when you were a kid, around 6.1554 4 DCA_int_01 6.1554 (pause 0.23) 6.3838 5 DCA_int_01 6.3838 ten years old or so? 7.7268 6 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 8.4017 Ten years old? Marbles, 9.6327 7 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 9.6327 (pause 0.30) 9.9312 8 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 9.9312 uh, 10.3182 9 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 10.3182 (pause 1.59) 11.9129 10 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 11.9129 mm, 12.5284 11 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 12.5284 (pause 1.61) 14.1359 12 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 14.1359 /I don't know/ I guess m- 15.6234 13 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 15.6234 (pause 0.27) 15.8899 14 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 15.8899 Baseball, uh- uh- some basketball, uh, 18.9714 15 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 18.9714 (pause 1.99) 20.9566 16 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 20.9566 uh, Hide and Go Seek. 22.8544 17 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 22.8544 (pause 0.57) 23.4279 18 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 23.4279 Ten years old. 24.3559 19 DCA_int_01 24.3279 24.7289 20 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 25.3153 Uh- 25.4645 21 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 25.4645 (pause 0.45) 25.9121 22 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 25.9121 n- 26.1593 23 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 26.1593 (pause 0.28) 26.4344 24 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 26.4344 um- 27.2317 25 DCA_int_01 28.4534 Child's games we're interested in [especially.] 31.3677 26 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 30.5983 [Mm-hm.] 31.3024 27 DCA_int_01 32.0392 What about marbles? How [did /we/- how did] that work? 34.5513 28 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 33.3296 [Marbles? We- 34.1270 29 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 34.6679 we played- I played quite a 36.2206 30 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 36.2206 (pause 0.20) 36.4211 31 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 36.4211 bit of marbles. I 37.3864 32 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 37.3864 (pause 0.35) 37.7361 33 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 37.7361 considered myself- Oh! Horseshoes! I played quite a bit of horseshoes at that age. 41.0503 34 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 41.0503 (pause 0.58) 41.6331 35 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 41.6331 Um, marbles. I thought 43.0879 36 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 43.0879 (pause 0.19) 43.2791 37 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 43.2791 uh, 43.7174 38 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 43.7174 (pause 1.02) 44.7375 39 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 44.7375 was one of my best games at [that time, yes.] Mm-hm. 47.4513 40 DCA_int_01 46.3228 [Oh yeah?] 46.8870 41 DCA_int_01 48.0714 How did a kid go about playing marbles? 50.2630 42 DCA_int_01 50.2630 (pause 0.48) 50.7421 43 DCA_int_01 50.7421 [/inaudible/] 51.9218 44 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 50.8354 [Well, we] 51.8146 45 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 52.1456 drew a circle, and uh, 54.1328 46 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 54.1328 (pause 0.67) 54.7988 47 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 54.7988 I think you had to knock out the- 57.0405 48 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 57.0405 (pause 0.34) 57.3763 49 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 57.3763 j- break the pile- break the bunch, and then you uh, 61.0739 50 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 61.0739 (pause 0.75) 61.8200 51 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 61.8200 knocked out individual 63.2644 52 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 63.2644 (pause 0.47) 63.7307 53 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 63.7307 marbles, that you wanted. Eh- as I remember. Now, this is- been quite a little while ago, so I don't uh- 69.5068 54 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 69.5068 (pause 0.79) 70.2949 55 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 70.2949 [I had a favorite.] 71.4186 56 DCA_int_01 70.3088 [Were the marbles outside?] 71.4932 57 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 71.6564 Pardon? 71.9782 58 DCA_int_01 71.9968 Were the marbles outside of the circle? 73.6242 59 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 73.6708 Marbles were inside the circle, yes. Mm-hm. 76.1736 60 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 76.1736 (pause 0.72) 76.8917 61 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 76.8917 Uh, there were um- 78.1181 62 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 78.1181 (pause 1.62) 79.7396 63 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 79.7396 /they/ always had a favorite 81.1711 64 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 81.1711 (pause 0.19) 81.3576 65 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 81.3576 uh, 81.8099 66 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 81.8099 (pause 1.03) 82.8358 67 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 82.8358 shooter. Uh- uh- 83.8616 68 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 83.8616 (pause 0.21) 84.0761 69 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 84.0761 and I remember having favorite marbles that I tried to keep you know, when I put 'em in the ring. 88.8924 70 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 88.8924 (pause 1.57) 90.4584 71 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 90.4584 But other than that, I don't remember 92.4444 72 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 92.4444 (pause 0.18) 92.6216 73 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 92.6216 too much about 93.3723 74 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 93.3723 (pause 0.14) 93.5122 75 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 93.5122 um- 93.7773 76 DCA_int_01 94.0337 Was there a special name for your favorite shooter? 96.6310 77 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 97.6370 No, I remember it was blue. It- and it sparkled. Yeah (laughing), but other than that, I don't remember. 103.1066 78 DCA_int_01 103.2884 There wasn't a general name for everybody's favorite shooter /that you recall/? 106.7891 79 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 108.2346 I can't remember, no. 109.8154 80 DCA_int_01 110.4017 How about a glass marble? 111.8332 81 DCA_int_01 111.8332 (pause 1.51) 113.3440 82 DCA_int_01 113.3440 Is there a different name? 114.4584 83 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 114.7755 Yes, I did have a uh- 117.0778 84 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 117.0778 (pause 0.86) 117.9405 85 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 117.9405 seems I did have one particular one that uh, 121.5212 86 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 121.5212 (pause 0.77) 122.2945 87 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 122.2945 was uh, 123.1058 88 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 123.1058 (pause 0.96) 124.0617 89 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 124.0617 sort of a 125.0736 90 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 125.0736 (pause 0.18) 125.2554 91 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 125.2554 China type 126.0201 92 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 126.0201 (pause 0.51) 126.5284 93 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 126.5284 marble, but I /and here again/ I don't remember what we- I called it 129.9358 94 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 129.9358 (pause 0.20) 130.1363 95 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 130.1363 at that time. 130.9756 96 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 130.9756 (pause 0.58) 131.5538 97 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 131.5538 It was very important to me at the time, but I don't remember now what it- just what it was. 135.5255 98 DCA_int_01 136.2342 Did anybody ever use these uh, 138.1787 99 DCA_int_01 138.1787 (pause 1.10) 139.2745 100 DCA_int_01 139.2745 m- metal ball bearings for a marble? 141.9925 101 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 142.2396 No, I don't remember anybody using those. 144.6457 102 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 144.6457 (pause 0.37) 145.0180 103 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 145.0180 No. 145.3724 104 DCA_int_01 147.3017 Around New York, they sometimes use that. Call 'em stealies. 150.5564 105 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 150.6869 Oh. [Is that right?] 151.8014 106 DCA_int_01 151.2791 [Stealie.] 151.8200 107 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 152.2956 No- Yeah! Oh yeah. I do remember hearing that, but I don't remember the significance of it. I didn't remember the significance /of it/. 158.6309 108 DCA_int_01 158.5750 /?/ it's a ball bearing. 159.5908 109 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 159.5022 Mm-hm. 159.8705 110 DCA_int_01 160.6959 What about Hide and Seek? How would you /go about/ playing that? 163.2045 111 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 163.1905 Well, we played that quite a bit, now. 165.5022 112 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 166.1596 I lived in um, 167.3627 113 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 167.3627 (pause 0.78) 168.1460 114 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 168.1460 two areas of Washington. One uh, in the Anacostia area 171.7400 115 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 171.7400 (pause 0.58) 172.3182 116 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 172.3182 and also in the Northwest near Sibley Hospital off of- off Capital Street. 177.6234 117 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 177.6234 (pause 0.64) 178.2669 118 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 178.2669 And in Anacostia, of course, you played it one way. You had uh, open woods. You had uh, 183.6195 119 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 183.6195 (pause 0.84) 184.4627 120 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 184.4627 houses um, 185.7357 121 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 185.7357 (pause 1.04) 186.7763 122 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 186.7763 apart. 187.3444 123 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 187.3444 (pause 0.23) 187.5729 124 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 187.5729 You can go around the houses and around the garages and the sheds and what have you. 192.5610 125 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 192.5610 (pause 0.62) 193.1765 126 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 193.1765 And big trees to hide behind, but in uh, 196.0664 127 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 196.0664 (pause 0.27) 196.3322 128 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 196.3322 course, living in town, you 198.0535 129 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 198.0535 (pause 0.57) 198.6216 130 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 198.6216 hide- hid behind automobiles and um, 201.3436 131 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 201.3436 (pause 0.57) 201.9125 132 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 201.9125 in the alleys, and 203.1622 133 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 203.1622 (pause 0.44) 203.6051 134 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 203.6051 um, 204.0947 135 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 204.0947 (pause 0.62) 204.7149 136 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 204.7149 under the steal 206.5610 137 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 206.5610 (pause 0.18) 206.7428 138 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 206.7428 steps uh, you know, the iron steps. We had iron steps on our house. And- 210.7623 139 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 210.7623 (pause 0.86) 211.6195 140 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 211.6195 in that general area. I think uh, 213.6281 141 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 213.6281 (pause 0.29) 213.9172 142 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 213.9172 most of the houses had the iron stairways and the vestibules. /Up in the uh/ 218.1977 143 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 218.1977 (pause 0.40) 218.5976 144 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 218.5976 area where you's going into the uh, 220.1083 145 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 220.1083 (pause 0.45) 220.5560 146 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 220.5560 basement. 221.0129 147 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 221.0129 (pause 0.65) 221.6618 148 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 221.6618 And uh, 222.3939 149 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 222.3939 (pause 1.59) 223.9875 150 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 223.9875 oh, we had these couple of big apartment houses and- 227.3067 151 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 227.3067 (pause 0.38) 227.6844 152 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 227.6844 that had many little shoots where the- had coal and what have you. We could hide around the behind the- 232.7565 153 DCA_int_01 232.7798 /inaudible/ 233.3207 154 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 233.3207 yeah (laughing). 234.2440 155 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 234.9480 But um, 235.9086 156 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 235.9086 (pause 0.88) 236.7841 157 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 236.7841 at uh, I don't know- We had a paper 239.5390 158 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 239.5390 (pause 0.87) 240.4072 159 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 240.4072 plant somewhere near 241.7357 160 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 241.7357 (pause 0.57) 242.3085 161 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 242.3085 North Capital and Elm, 243.7959 162 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 243.7959 (pause 0.26) 244.0571 163 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 244.0571 and uh, 244.5933 164 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 244.5933 (pause 0.40) 244.9896 165 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 244.9896 they had skid boxes or skids. Things of that sort in that area, and we used to use those for 250.8505 166 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 250.8505 (pause 0.87) 251.7170 167 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 251.7170 uh, hiding behind and what have you. 254.2863 168 DCA_int_01 254.9426 Mm-hm. 255.4602 169 DCA_int_01 255.4602 (pause 0.67) 256.1270 170 DCA_int_01 256.1270 Now pretend for a minute that I'm a foreigner, and I've never heard of Hide and Go Seek. 259.8888 171 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 260.1779 Mm-hm. 260.6022 172 DCA_int_01 260.8307 How would you tell me how you play it, s- 262.6080 173 DCA_int_01 262.6080 (pause 0.83) 263.4333 174 DCA_int_01 263.4333 start to finish? 264.4351 175 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 264.8688 Well, first you um, 266.7000 176 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 266.7000 (pause 0.36) 267.0592 177 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 267.0592 I don't remember exactly how we decided who- 270.1367 178 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 270.1367 (pause 0.32) 270.4538 179 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 270.4538 I think we had to race for a 271.8946 180 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 271.8946 (pause 0.27) 272.1600 181 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 272.1600 tree. 272.6069 182 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 272.6069 (pause 0.43) 273.0405 183 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 273.0405 You race for a tree, and uh, 275.2321 184 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 275.2321 (pause 0.36) 275.5911 185 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 275.5911 whoever hits the tree first is 277.4419 186 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 277.4419 (pause 0.20) 277.6424 187 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 277.6424 it. 277.8289 188 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 277.8289 (pause 0.87) 278.7038 189 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 278.7038 And then after the um, 280.7753 190 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 280.7753 (pause 1.30) 282.0778 191 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 282.0778 this beginning, 283.4893 192 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 283.4893 (pause 0.20) 283.6927 193 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 283.6927 um, 284.3154 194 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 284.3154 (pause 0.33) 284.6475 195 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 284.6475 the person hides their 285.8619 196 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 285.8619 (pause 0.23) 286.0904 197 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 286.0904 eyes or the- 287.5233 198 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 287.5233 (pause 0.20) 287.7225 199 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 287.7225 close their eyes against the tree 289.8189 200 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 289.8189 (pause 0.76) 290.5828 201 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 290.5828 and counts to 292.0531 202 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 292.0531 (pause 0.49) 292.5474 203 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 292.5474 twenty one, I believe. 293.6786 204 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 293.6786 (pause 0.40) 294.0771 205 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 294.0771 Or ten. I don't remember the number. And then um, 297.2891 206 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 297.2891 (pause 0.77) 298.0572 207 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 298.0572 from there, you 299.6721 208 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 299.6721 (pause 0.34) 300.0125 209 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 300.0125 would proceed to 301.1167 210 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 301.1167 (pause 0.41) 301.5277 211 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 301.5277 try to locate 302.4690 212 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 302.4690 (pause 0.25) 302.7222 213 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 302.7222 or try to find the 304.5073 214 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 304.5073 (pause 0.25) 304.7564 215 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 304.7564 individuals 306.0225 216 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 306.0225 (pause 0.29) 306.3131 217 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 306.3131 that are hiding. 307.4921 218 DCA_int_01 308.1511 They hide while your- 309.1931 219 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 309.3799 While you uh, holding- closing your eyes. 312.1048 220 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 312.1048 (pause 0.89) 312.9905 221 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 312.9905 And of course, uh, if you can make it back to the tree, 316.1621 222 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 316.1621 (pause 0.63) 316.7931 223 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 316.7931 I- I might be wrong. But I'm- d- I'm- This is vague. 319.8515 224 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 319.8515 (pause 0.78) 320.6320 225 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 320.6320 Um, 321.1841 226 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 321.1841 (pause 0.21) 321.3917 227 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 321.3917 if you make it back to the tree before the person that uh, 324.6951 228 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 324.6951 (pause 0.28) 324.9773 229 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 324.9773 um, 325.4298 230 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 325.4298 (pause 0.99) 326.4178 231 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 326.4178 you find, 327.3187 232 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 327.3187 (pause 0.46) 327.7836 233 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 327.7836 you um, 328.7758 234 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 328.7758 (pause 0.79) 329.5676 235 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 329.5676 that person will be it next time. In other words, 331.9546 236 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 331.9546 (pause 0.10) 332.0501 237 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 332.0501 uh, he's out. 333.1112 238 DCA_int_01 333.2977 Mm. 333.6152 239 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 333.8508 And uh, if this is the- as I said- this is a- 337.1528 240 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 337.1528 (pause 0.38) 337.5305 241 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 337.5305 long time [ago since I played it. ] 339.4259 242 DCA_int_01 338.0187 [/It's hard to remember/.] 339.2184 243 DCA_int_01 340.0269 These kids game. 341.2598 244 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 341.3304 [Mm-hm.] 341.8119 245 DCA_int_01 341.3843 [That's] good. 342.1980 246 DCA_int_01 344.8870 Uh, was there any- uh- uh- Did a person want to be it? Or did- was that a bad thing? 349.3870 247 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 350.2712 Um, most 351.1672 248 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 351.1672 (pause 0.20) 351.3703 249 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 351.3703 of the time, as far as I can remember, uh, 354.3468 250 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 354.3468 (pause 0.77) 355.1179 251 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 355.1179 it was more fun to hide than it was to be it. 357.1686 252 DCA_int_01 357.1765 Mm-hm. 357.7332 253 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 357.9989 But uh, of course, some people didn't mind as much as others, if I can remember, but uh, 363.3779 254 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 363.3779 (pause 1.12) 364.4946 255 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 364.4946 it wasn't a s- 365.2667 256 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 365.2667 (pause 0.91) 366.1747 257 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 366.1747 stigma or anything of that sort. You just tried not to get caught. 369.9650 258 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 369.9650 (pause 0.14) 370.1061 259 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 370.1061 /?/ 370.5379 260 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 370.5379 (pause 0.46) 371.0028 261 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 371.0028 more or less. 371.5259 262 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 371.5259 (pause 1.09) 372.6125 263 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 372.6125 [Mm.] 372.8533 264 DCA_int_01 372.6208 [Did you] ever use any rhymes to decide who was it? 375.6222 265 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 376.8250 [No.] 377.8960 266 DCA_int_01 377.4975 [One potato], two potato? 379.1746 267 DCA_int_01 379.6271 Engine Engine, or? 381.0552 268 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 381.2046 Uh, 381.9851 269 DCA_int_01 381.8429 /inaudible/ 382.9531 270 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 384.1842 no, I can't remember that, you know, we might have, but- but- you know, on different occasions but I don't remember. I think it was most of the time, it was racing for the- 392.4650 271 DCA_int_01 392.8874 Racing for the-? 393.3275 272 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 393.8298 uh, tree, or lamp post, or 395.9345 273 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 395.9345 (pause 1.64) 397.5742 274 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 397.5742 whatever the object was that we used for 399.6779 275 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 399.6779 (pause 2.15) 401.8250 276 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 401.8250 base. 402.3846 277 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 402.3846 (pause 1.56) 403.9403 278 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 403.9403 Mm. 404.3471 279 DCA_int_01 404.7207 Did- was there any other 406.3273 280 DCA_int_01 406.3273 (pause 0.44) 406.7631 281 DCA_int_01 406.7631 games that you played as you grew up older than that? 409.4645 282 DCA_int_01 409.4645 (pause 1.05) 410.5190 283 DCA_int_01 410.5190 Was it more athletics or? 411.9388 284 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 412.2667 No. 412.6113 285 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 412.6113 (pause 0.17) 412.7773 286 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 412.7773 Well I played quite a bit of basketball in uh, 415.5037 287 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 415.5037 (pause 0.58) 416.0807 288 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 416.0807 my 416.5332 289 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 416.5332 (pause 0.23) 416.7657 290 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 416.7657 growing years. We used to play in a 418.9036 291 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 418.9036 (pause 0.90) 419.8003 292 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 419.8003 little park up in- on New York Avenue. New York and uh 422.9543 293 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 422.9543 (pause 1.01) 423.9672 294 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 423.9672 First Street. 424.6220 295 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 424.6220 (pause 0.93) 425.5519 296 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 425.5519 And we um, 426.6737 297 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 426.6737 (pause 0.22) 426.8975 298 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 426.8975 played 427.3993 299 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 427.3993 (pause 0.77) 428.1672 300 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 428.1672 baseball and, we weren't supposed to, but we played baseball. And then we um, 433.4550 301 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 433.4550 (pause 1.59) 435.0408 302 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 435.0408 we played baseball in the parking lot behind the paper 438.8136 303 DCA_int_01 439.2798 Mm-hm. 439.6575 304 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 439.9050 uh, place. And then we played it on the playground. 442.9054 305 DCA_int_01 443.2235 [Mm-hm.] 443.5965 306 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 443.2541 [And] then uh, we'd 444.2338 307 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 445.0599 j- I competed for track, and I think for awhile boxing was quite a thing. 450.4058 308 DCA_int_01 450.6631 Mm-hm. 451.0451 309 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 451.0783 Um, 451.6885 310 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 451.6885 (pause 0.25) 451.9407 311 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 451.9407 twelve, thirteen, I think uh, we went through a period of uh, 455.3614 312 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 455.3614 (pause 0.61) 455.9675 313 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 455.9675 learning how to box at that time. We had some /money/- um, 459.4037 314 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 459.4037 (pause 1.44) 460.8442 315 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 460.8442 /Mighty Mel/ I think was uh quite active at that time. And he used to uh, 465.9700 316 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 465.9700 (pause 0.52) 466.4931 317 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 466.4931 train. He was in a wheelchair himself and he used to train young fellas to box. He has one very famous boxer here, uh, 473.4081 318 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 473.4081 (pause 0.35) 473.7599 319 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 473.7599 /Mugsy Hersey/. 474.7480 320 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 474.7480 (pause 0.10) 474.8476 321 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 474.8476 Um, /??/ 475.5575 322 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 475.5575 (pause 0.56) 476.1179 323 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 476.1179 you heard that name, but anyhow. 477.9403 324 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 477.9403 (pause 0.94) 478.8775 325 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 478.8775 Quite a few people trained under him, 480.6916 326 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 480.6916 (pause 0.26) 480.9490 327 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 480.9490 and he used to go around to the different playgrounds, 483.4854 328 DCA_int_01 483.5601 Mm-hm. 483.9669 329 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 484.0033 and 484.3520 330 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 484.3520 (pause 1.21) 485.5600 331 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 485.5600 I remember 486.6227 332 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 486.6227 (pause 1.15) 487.7726 333 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 487.7726 getting socked in the eye, [/unintelligible/] something of that sort several times. 491.2213 334 DCA_int_01 489.0502 489.4487 335 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 491.5701 I didn't particularly like boxing too much. However, I did 494.2725 336 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 494.2725 (pause 0.47) 494.7448 337 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 494.7448 uh, practice quite a bit or go up and train. 497.3891 338 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 497.3891 (pause 0.49) 497.8831 339 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 497.8831 Be- Use the uh, 499.4648 340 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 499.4648 (pause 0.80) 500.2608 341 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 500.2608 medicine ball I guess you call it. [And it] uh, strengthened the muscles in your stomach. 504.6934 342 DCA_int_01 501.8632 [Mm-hm.] 502.2617 343 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 505.7104 And then I did a little tumbling, and 507.4042 344 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 507.4042 (pause 0.18) 507.5868 345 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 507.5868 little later years, I had a couple friends that were interested in tumbling, and uh, we 512.5051 346 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 512.5051 (pause 0.65) 513.1568 347 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 513.1568 used to tumble. 514.0742 348 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 514.0742 (pause 1.16) 515.2325 349 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 515.2325 I had quite a few trains, and um, 517.6004 350 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 517.6004 (pause 0.96) 518.5610 351 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 518.5610 and 518.8221 352 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 518.8221 (pause 0.25) 519.0755 353 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 519.0755 I made aeroplanes and things of that sort. I can remember doing that through the years. Uh, 523.3877 354 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 523.3877 (pause 0.24) 523.6243 355 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 523.6243 trains and aeroplanes, and 525.4982 356 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 525.4982 (pause 0.60) 526.0943 357 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 526.0943 we made the planes out of the balsa wood. 528.7709 358 DCA_int_01 528.8000 Yeah. 529.2815 359 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 529.2857 Things of that sort. 530.3899 360 DCA_int_01 531.4775 Did you /play in art/? 532.8589 361 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 532.8796 Well it did, and it got quite expensive and /crazy/ (laughing). 535.9101 362 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 535.9101 (pause 0.82) 536.7320 363 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 536.7320 But um, 537.6649 364 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 537.6649 (pause 1.10) 538.7665 365 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 538.7665 generally, we had 540.7073 366 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 540.7073 (pause 1.33) 542.0364 367 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 542.0364 uh, kites. I can remember playing with qu- quite- kites 545.5722 368 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 545.5722 (pause 0.36) 545.9276 369 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 545.9276 quite a bit. 546.4482 370 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 546.4482 (pause 0.90) 547.3490 371 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 547.3490 And um, 548.3483 372 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 548.3483 (pause 1.77) 550.1210 373 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 550.1210 we had an area down on um, 552.1344 374 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 552.1344 (pause 0.86) 552.9968 375 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 552.9968 right on Anacostia River 554.7030 376 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 554.7030 (pause 0.15) 554.8566 377 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 554.8566 that uh, we 555.7907 378 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 555.7907 (pause 0.32) 556.1062 379 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 556.1062 did quite a bit 557.2851 380 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 557.2851 (pause 0.37) 557.6504 381 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 557.6504 as far as kite flying and 559.3498 382 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 559.3498 (pause 1.12) 560.4681 383 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 560.4681 things of that sort. 561.7966 384 DCA_int_01 562.4039 Mm-hm. 562.7680 385 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 562.7638 Mm-hm. 563.2288 386 DCA_int_01 563.8587 Good. 564.2323 387 DCA_int_01 564.2323 (pause 0.61) 564.8426 388 DCA_int_01 564.8426 That's quite a run down. 566.1129 389 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 566.0838 Mm-hm. 566.5820 390 DCA_int_01 566.8352 /Delved in/ a lot of things. 568.1346 391 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 568.1429 Yeah. 568.5621 392 DCA_int_01 568.6161 Um, 569.0146 393 DCA_int_01 569.0146 (pause 0.90) 569.9103 394 DCA_int_01 569.9103 do you watch television? 571.1806 395 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 572.1727 Occasionally. Yes, mm-hm. 573.9619 396 DCA_int_01 574.0699 Do you have any favorite programs? 575.9162 397 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 576.5679 Mm- I don't- 577.1076 398 DCA_int_01 577.1616 Show that you particularly like? 578.6353 399 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 578.6685 Well, I was watching Ironside there for awhile. I used to watch Perry Mason, 582.3621 400 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 582.3621 (pause 0.73) 583.0922 401 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 583.0922 uh, regularly. I haven't watched that for quite some time now. I don't even know when it's on now. 587.7785 402 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 587.7785 (pause 0.50) 588.2767 403 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 588.2767 Uh, now we have the comedy shows. Jonathan Winner- Winters, that uh, I watch mainly because uh, someone else is watching them and I happen to be there. 596.3418 404 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 596.3418 (pause 0.60) 596.9467 405 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 596.9467 Um, 597.6026 406 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 597.6026 (pause 1.86) 599.4623 407 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 599.4623 the uh- 600.6164 408 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 600.6164 (pause 1.40) 602.0185 409 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 602.0185 overall, I don't 603.1892 410 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 603.1892 (pause 0.29) 603.4756 411 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 603.4756 um, have a program that I have to see every week. 607.3124 412 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 607.3124 (pause 0.08) 607.3893 413 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 607.3893 I used to, at one time. Gun Smoke and things of that sort. 610.7199 414 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 610.7199 (pause 0.54) 611.2583 415 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 611.2583 But uh, now I maybe watch about three hours of television a week at the most. 615.7323 416 DCA_int_01 615.6867 Oh. 616.0354 417 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 616.7120 Mm-hm. 617.1442 418 DCA_int_01 618.1307 Cut it down a little huh? 619.2599 419 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 619.2848 Yeah. /That's right/. 620.1109 420 DCA_int_01 619.6890 Um, 620.1941 421 DCA_int_01 620.9702 is there an adventure story or anything that 623.8670 422 DCA_int_01 623.8670 (pause 0.52) 624.3899 423 DCA_int_01 624.3899 with a story in it that you can /?/ relate? 627.2169 424 DCA_int_01 627.2169 (pause 0.84) 628.0544 425 DCA_int_01 628.0544 See, what I'm after is I would like you to tell me an episode 630.6697 426 DCA_int_01 630.6697 (pause 1.07) 631.7408 427 DCA_int_01 631.7408 of a- a story like Gun Smoke or Perry Mason. 634.9072 428 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 637.8546 No, um, 639.1569 429 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 639.1569 (pause 0.51) 639.6718 430 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 639.6718 in uh, 640.4108 431 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 640.4108 (pause 3.22) 643.6280 432 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 643.6280 I remember one Alfred Hitchcock [ but uh, well, that] was I thought it was interesting because of the um, 651.1357 433 DCA_int_01 646.4997 [Yeah? Tell me /about that one/.] 648.3519 434 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 651.9825 irony in the 653.2528 435 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 653.2528 (pause 0.14) 653.3898 436 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 653.3898 show. I don't know whether you remember seeing this or not but it was case of a 657.6189 437 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 657.6189 (pause 0.91) 658.5281 438 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 658.5281 woman who, 659.4621 439 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 659.4621 (pause 0.69) 660.1502 440 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 660.1502 her husband happened to be a police man (laughing). I don't know why I remember this one so well, but her husband happened to be a police man. 665.0653 441 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 665.0653 (pause 0.79) 665.8577 442 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 665.8577 And um, 666.7866 443 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 666.7866 (pause 0.31) 667.0943 444 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 667.0943 he came in, and um, 668.7880 445 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 668.7880 (pause 0.93) 669.7221 446 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 669.7221 he was leaving his wife 671.1163 447 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 671.1163 (pause 0.43) 671.5434 448 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 671.5434 for some reason or another, and his wife 673.5402 449 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 673.5402 (pause 0.27) 673.8059 450 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 673.8059 very uh, 674.8230 451 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 674.8230 (pause 0.92) 675.7394 452 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 675.7394 um, 676.3828 453 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 676.3828 (pause 1.69) 678.0765 454 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 678.0765 plainly, or 679.0521 455 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 679.0521 (pause 0.14) 679.1932 456 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 679.1932 d- very- just 680.5839 457 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 680.5839 (pause 0.22) 680.7998 458 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 680.7998 solemnly 681.8252 459 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 681.8252 (pause 0.45) 682.2725 460 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 682.2725 prepared his dinner. 683.8583 461 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 683.8583 (pause 0.45) 684.3108 462 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 684.3108 And then uh, 685.4980 463 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 685.4980 (pause 1.32) 686.8171 464 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 686.8171 preparation of his dinner, she got a lamb- frozen lamb leg out of the 690.8024 465 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 690.8024 (pause 0.31) 691.1096 466 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 691.1096 freezer. 691.4885 467 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 691.4885 (pause 1.04) 692.5241 468 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 692.5241 And he was talking to someone on the telephone telling them that he was going to meet them, 696.7709 469 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 696.7709 (pause 0.40) 697.1694 470 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 697.1694 and she 698.0319 471 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 698.0319 (pause 0.22) 698.2560 472 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 698.2560 evidently hit him over the head with the lamb leg. 701.4193 473 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 701.4193 (pause 0.65) 702.0711 474 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 702.0711 And when the- 703.0881 475 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 703.0881 (pause 0.34) 703.4317 476 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 703.4317 his 704.0585 477 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 704.0585 (pause 0.34) 704.4031 478 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 704.4031 co-workers, other policeman, came to investigate the case, 707.6120 479 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 707.6120 (pause 0.78) 708.3873 480 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 708.3873 um, 709.0639 481 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 709.0639 (pause 0.76) 709.8278 482 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 709.8278 she- 710.6705 483 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 710.6705 (pause 0.51) 711.1769 484 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 711.1769 they couldn't find the murder weapon. 712.5967 485 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 712.5967 (pause 0.99) 713.5878 486 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 713.5878 But, 713.8743 487 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 713.8743 (pause 0.37) 714.2479 488 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 714.2479 they sat down and ate lunch 715.7555 489 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 715.7555 (pause 0.12) 715.8752 490 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 715.8752 or dinner, 716.4937 491 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 716.4937 (pause 0.61) 717.1081 492 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 717.1081 and they were eating the 718.3493 493 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 718.3493 (pause 0.23) 718.5818 494 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 718.5818 evidence. They were eating the mur- murder weap- murder [weapon! ] 722.0388 495 DCA_int_01 720.9387 [Oh! ] 721.7607 496 DCA_int_01 722.2547 /unintelligible/ 723.0019 497 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 722.9895 So, uh I do remember that one. Now, something else I- I- 726.3468 498 DCA_int_01 726.6166 /Yeah/. 726.9057 499 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 726.9944 I like westerns, uh, generally. But I see 'em and forget 'em generally. It's just for relaxation. 732.1784 500 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 732.1784 (pause 0.37) 732.5437 501 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 732.5437 I find that westerns are the most relaxing 734.8081 502 DCA_int_01 735.0625 Mm-hm. 735.4901 503 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 735.3780 of uh- 736.2023 504 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 737.0053 mm. 737.3997 505 DCA_int_01 737.0053 [Don't] have to concentrate. 738.3566 506 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 738.6118 Takes you out of the realm of reality so to speak. 740.9895 507 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 740.9895 (pause 0.20) 741.1888 508 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 741.1888 Mm-hm. 741.7077 509 DCA_int_01 743.1025 /unintelligible/ 743.8788 510 DCA_int_01 743.8788 (pause 0.56) 744.4351 511 DCA_int_01 744.4351 Um, I don't wonder that you remember that one (laughing). 746.6425 512 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 746.6342 Yeah, that's- it's gruesome, isn't it? 748.9507 513 DCA_int_01 749.6522 Most of his are. 750.5489 514 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 750.7938 Mm-hm. 751.2629 515 DCA_int_01 752.4284 Have you been to a movie recently? 754.2093 516 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 754.3505 Yes, I saw um, 756.0732 517 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 756.0732 (pause 1.80) 757.8739 518 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 757.8739 uh, Guns of San Sebastian, uh, 760.5390 519 DCA_int_01 761.7875 [What's that] about?] 762.6967 520 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 761.7917 [I]- 762.2193 521 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 762.9167 Um, that was story of a 765.2082 522 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 765.2082 (pause 1.04) 766.2490 523 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 766.2490 bandit I guess, in those days, uh, 769.2671 524 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 769.2671 (pause 0.29) 769.5536 525 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 769.5536 that was befriended. He was injured. 772.0309 526 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 772.0309 (pause 0.49) 772.5207 527 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 772.5207 He was being chased by the Mexican 774.8039 528 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 774.8039 (pause 0.65) 775.4557 529 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 775.4557 police I believe. 776.4063 530 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 776.4063 (pause 0.60) 777.0083 531 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 777.0083 Um, Mexican 777.9247 532 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 777.9247 (pause 0.57) 778.4975 533 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 778.4975 Guard or police, 779.8260 534 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 779.8260 (pause 0.53) 780.3532 535 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 780.3532 and uh, he was injured. And he was- 782.5990 536 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 782.5990 (pause 0.28) 782.8803 537 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 782.8803 went into a church. He rode his horse into a church to 786.4919 538 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 786.4919 (pause 1.23) 787.7207 539 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 787.7207 um, 788.0714 540 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 788.0714 (pause 0.14) 788.2113 541 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 788.2113 for looking for a sanction, and uh, 790.5840 542 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 790.5840 (pause 0.98) 791.5679 543 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 791.5679 a priest, an old priest, befriended him. 794.0658 544 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 794.0658 (pause 0.22) 794.2901 545 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 794.2901 And um, 795.0872 546 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 795.0872 (pause 1.24) 796.3284 547 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 796.3284 they wanted the- 797.6402 548 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 797.6402 (pause 0.27) 797.9142 549 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 797.9142 the police- the authorities wanted the bandit 800.9644 550 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 800.9644 (pause 0.18) 801.1429 551 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 801.1429 back, and the priest wouldn't 802.6000 552 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 802.6000 (pause 0.15) 802.7494 553 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 802.7494 uh, relinquish him because of the 805.5911 554 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 805.5911 (pause 0.57) 806.1600 555 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 806.1600 sanctuary- sanctuary- 807.8503 556 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 807.8503 (pause 0.53) 808.3776 557 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 808.3776 of the church. 809.1582 558 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 809.1582 (pause 1.16) 810.3152 559 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 810.3152 And uh, 811.1869 560 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 811.1869 (pause 0.68) 811.8678 561 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 811.8678 finally, they exiled the pr- the old priest to a 815.4326 562 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 815.4326 (pause 0.75) 816.1799 563 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 816.1799 area way out in the middle of the desert somewheres, but uh, 819.7002 564 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 819.7002 (pause 1.06) 820.7578 565 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 820.7578 with the name San Sebastian. 822.5096 566 DCA_int_01 822.5677 Mm-hm. 823.1033 567 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 823.5267 And um, 824.4898 568 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 824.4898 (pause 1.19) 825.6843 569 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 825.6843 the um, 826.5353 570 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 826.5353 (pause 0.62) 827.1539 571 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 827.1539 priest was killed almost immediately as soon as he got there, and 830.5206 572 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 830.5206 (pause 0.52) 831.0395 573 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 831.0395 the 831.5906 574 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 831.5906 (pause 0.64) 832.2257 575 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 832.2257 people of the area 833.5292 576 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 833.5292 (pause 0.35) 833.8780 577 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 833.8780 were 834.4591 578 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 834.4591 (pause 0.67) 835.1275 579 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 835.1275 being uh, 836.1653 580 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 836.1653 (pause 1.62) 837.7874 581 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 837.7874 victimized, I guess, by the 840.0298 582 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 840.0298 (pause 0.31) 840.3379 583 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 840.3379 uh- 840.8788 584 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 840.8788 (pause 0.37) 841.2496 585 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 841.2496 combination of the Indians and by someone else in the area that uh, was- 845.5659 586 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 845.5659 (pause 1.31) 846.8777 587 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 846.8777 would take their uh, crops as soon as they were harvested. 850.2891 588 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 850.2891 (pause 0.87) 851.1567 589 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 851.1567 So they looked 852.0700 590 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 852.0700 (pause 0.57) 852.6377 591 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 852.6377 to the church for leadership. 854.7475 592 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 854.7475 (pause 0.28) 855.0247 593 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 855.0247 And uh, by this time, actor Tony Quinn, uh, who happened to be the bandit, 860.0093 594 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 860.0093 (pause 0.76) 860.7732 595 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 860.7732 uh, was, um, 862.2956 596 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 862.2956 (pause 1.63) 863.9230 597 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 863.9230 thought to be the priest, and he was of course 867.1651 598 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 867.1651 (pause 0.18) 867.3478 599 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 867.3478 uh, far from a priest. 869.0903 600 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 869.0903 (pause 0.66) 869.7545 601 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 869.7545 And uh, he showed the people how to uh, 873.0673 602 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 873.0673 (pause 0.50) 873.5654 603 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 873.5654 build. He liked being called a priest. He liked being looked up to, so consequently, he fell into the- 878.8853 604 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 878.8853 (pause 0.98) 879.8650 605 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 879.8650 After 880.6206 606 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 880.6206 (pause 0.31) 880.9344 607 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 880.9344 trying very hard 882.3810 608 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 882.3810 (pause 0.88) 883.2649 609 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 883.2649 to get out of it, supposedly, uh, he decided to uh, 887.4069 610 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 887.4069 (pause 0.54) 887.9424 611 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 887.9424 try to teach the people how to live, how to de- defend themselves. 891.6028 612 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 891.6028 (pause 0.91) 892.5120 613 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 892.5120 And through hook and crook, he managed to get uh, 895.6368 614 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 895.6368 (pause 0.49) 896.1309 615 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 896.1309 dams built and the s- crops harvested, 900.0372 616 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 900.0372 (pause 0.61) 900.6464 617 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 900.6464 and um, 901.6220 618 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 901.6220 (pause 0.69) 902.3152 619 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 902.3152 of course, there was a love scene here and there, in there, with uh, 905.7644 620 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 905.7644 (pause 0.28) 906.0442 621 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 906.0442 Tony Quinn. 906.5984 622 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 906.5984 (pause 0.73) 907.3331 623 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 907.3331 And uh, finally, um, 909.2469 624 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 909.2469 (pause 1.47) 910.7123 625 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 910.7123 I think he got- 911.4753 626 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 911.4753 (pause 0.30) 911.7781 627 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 911.7781 He blackmailed the governor, through his wife, to give them guns and when the 916.6383 628 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 916.6383 (pause 0.47) 917.1115 629 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 917.1115 Indians and the bandits came back in to attack them this time, he was prepared to defend the 923.9276 630 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 923.9276 (pause 0.51) 924.4334 631 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 924.4334 town. 924.9896 632 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 924.9896 (pause 1.26) 926.2516 633 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 926.2516 And of course, it has a happy ending. The b- the band- the uh, authorities were still looking for him, and he wasn't able to stay in the town. They still chased him out of town, [but (laughing)-] 934.7763 634 DCA_int_01 934.0748 [] 934.8469 635 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 935.8557 But I thought that was very interesting. I have- the most recent film that I saw was um, 940.7479 636 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 940.7479 (pause 0.74) 941.4879 637 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 941.4879 uh, 942.1231 638 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 942.1231 (pause 1.91) 944.0317 639 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 944.0317 Capote's um, 945.4182 640 DCA_int_01 946.4975 In Cold Blood. 947.3070 641 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 947.2406 In Cold Blood. Yeah, this left me kind of cold. [But uh- ] 950.4361 642 DCA_int_01 949.8009 [] 950.4693 643 DCA_int_01 950.6104 You didn't like [it?] 951.3210 644 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 951.0629 [Uh], well, um, 952.5008 645 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 952.9269 it- it- I had mixed emotions about it. It- it- 955.5619 646 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 955.5619 (pause 0.84) 956.4005 647 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 956.4005 you felt sorry for the individual, one individual, but at the same time, you- you could see so many things in the, 962.5423 648 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 962.5423 (pause 0.51) 963.0540 649 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 963.0540 a family, that knowing, when they close their 966.1705 650 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 966.1705 (pause 0.26) 966.4279 651 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 966.4279 shades at night and lock their doors, just put- 969.1014 652 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 969.1014 (pause 0.89) 969.9929 653 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 969.9929 having no idea what 971.6077 654 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 971.6077 (pause 0.29) 971.8942 655 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 971.8942 was in store for them. And uh, 974.1317 656 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 974.1317 (pause 0.70) 974.8291 657 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 974.8291 so you had- I had mixed emotions about it. I th- 977.0158 658 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 977.0158 (pause 0.24) 977.2607 659 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 977.2607 thought that the man who did the murdering was 979.7217 660 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 979.7217 (pause 0.10) 979.8243 661 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 979.8243 completely sick. 980.6856 662 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 980.6856 (pause 0.88) 981.5688 663 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 981.5688 Course, this was supposed to have been taken from a true story, and you wonder how much Hollywood had to do with the uh, 987.9524 664 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 987.9524 (pause 0.88) 988.8366 665 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 988.8366 glorifying the individuals that uh, 991.7082 666 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 991.7082 (pause 0.91) 992.6133 667 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 992.6133 perform the murder. 993.8089 668 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 993.8089 (pause 1.03) 994.8425 669 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 994.8425 So I d- I uh, 996.4408 670 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 996.4408 (pause 0.46) 996.8964 671 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 996.8964 I'm still thinking about that moment. 999.8189 672 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 999.8189 (pause 0.27) 1000.0929 673 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1000.0929 [Uh-huh.] 1000.5329 674 DCA_int_01 1000.2548 [I've only] read the book. 1001.3922 675 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1001.6828 Yeah [I did, too.] 1002.5162 676 DCA_int_01 1001.8147 [/Didn't really do anything] for me/. 1002.9853 677 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1003.1348 Yeah, it- [it- it's-] 1004.2307 678 DCA_int_01 1003.6869 [Is it close] to the book? /inaudible/ 1005.5775 679 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1005.5550 Uh, I think 1006.4075 680 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1006.6640 the book is a little uh, 1008.2260 681 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1008.2260 (pause 0.64) 1008.8625 682 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1008.8625 more descriptive, much more descriptive, 1010.9465 683 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1010.9465 (pause 0.56) 1011.5027 684 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1011.5027 than the movie. Of course, they couldn't show a lot of the things that they 1015.5326 685 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1015.5326 (pause 0.43) 1015.9602 686 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1015.9602 um, 1016.2881 687 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1016.2881 (pause 0.32) 1016.6036 688 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1016.6036 it was g- very gruesome 1017.8117 689 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1017.8117 (pause 0.43) 1018.2465 690 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1018.2465 uh, in the book. 1019.1681 691 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1019.1681 (pause 0.21) 1019.3757 692 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1019.3757 The description of the um, 1021.0860 693 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1021.0860 (pause 0.66) 1021.7461 694 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1021.7461 bodies and 1022.6869 695 DCA_int_01 1022.9480 Mm. 1023.1700 696 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1023.2156 just what they did do, 1024.5762 697 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1024.5762 (pause 0.81) 1025.3899 698 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1025.3899 and the 1026.0167 699 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1026.0167 (pause 0.18) 1026.1952 700 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1026.1952 movies of course, glazed over top of that 1028.7195 701 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1028.7195 (pause 0.61) 1029.3304 702 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1029.3304 to- 1029.7034 703 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1029.7034 (pause 1.35) 1031.0556 704 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1031.0556 to a certain degree. 1031.9811 705 DCA_int_01 1034.7947 Hm. 1035.1019 706 DCA_int_01 1035.1019 (pause 3.13) 1038.2278 707 DCA_int_01 1038.2278 /Have to figure that one out/. 1039.4026 708 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1039.2158 Yeah. 1040.1446 709 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1041.5436 I don't do as much reading as I used to. I used to read quite a bit. I liked um, 1046.8770 710 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1046.8770 (pause 0.37) 1047.2465 711 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1047.2465 Kenneth Roberts, uh, 1048.5043 712 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1048.5043 (pause 0.93) 1049.4342 713 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1049.4342 and I liked also um, 1051.2099 714 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1051.2099 (pause 1.55) 1052.7625 715 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1052.7625 Frank Slaughter, 1053.5928 716 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1053.5928 (pause 0.17) 1053.7630 717 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1053.7630 the MD that, you know, wrote about Fort Everglades, and I think he 1057.3653 718 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1057.3653 (pause 0.60) 1057.9672 719 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1057.9672 written several modern novels about doctors and what have you. 1061.6110 720 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1061.6110 (pause 0.42) 1062.0344 721 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1062.0344 I don't know why I'm 1063.1388 722 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1063.1388 (pause 0.55) 1063.6844 723 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1063.6844 interested 1064.4879 724 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1064.4879 (pause 0.50) 1064.9902 725 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1064.9902 in um, 1065.6502 726 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1065.6502 (pause 0.72) 1066.3674 727 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1066.3674 I think it's the life and the excitement of- 1069.4601 728 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1069.4601 (pause 0.50) 1069.9582 729 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1069.9582 that you see, or that you hear about in the books. And I of course, I knew 1073.7141 730 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1073.7141 (pause 0.19) 1073.9051 731 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1073.9051 too many doctors that don't have that type of excitement, you know. 1076.7195 732 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1076.7195 (pause 0.54) 1077.2625 733 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1077.2625 But, uh, of course, /there's just a/- 1079.4668 734 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1079.4668 (pause 0.55) 1080.0209 735 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1080.0209 I- 1080.3012 736 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1080.3012 (pause 0.33) 1080.6291 737 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1080.6291 his description 1081.6670 738 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1081.6670 (pause 0.23) 1081.8953 739 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1081.8953 was very vivid, and um, 1083.8993 740 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1083.8993 (pause 0.27) 1084.1650 741 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1084.1650 I liked his work very much. 1085.5474 742 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1085.5474 (pause 0.22) 1085.7633 743 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1085.7633 Have you ever read any Frank Slaughter? 1087.1249 744 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1087.1249 (pause 0.45) 1087.5722 745 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1087.5722 [Mm. You haven't?] Huh. 1088.7678 746 DCA_int_01 1087.5930 [No, I haven't.] 1088.3485 747 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1090.1377 Mm-hm. 1090.4698 748 DCA_int_01 1090.4324 My wife probably has. [She's a] great reader. 1092.6270 749 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1091.4246 [Yeah.] 1091.7650 750 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1092.8765 Uh-huh. 1093.3249 751 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1093.3249 (pause 0.83) 1094.1510 752 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1094.1510 Mm-hm. 1094.5329 753 DCA_int_01 1094.7322 Forget /we're not limited/ technical stuff [these days.] 1097.2520 754 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1096.5421 [Yeah.] 1097.0071 755 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1097.4056 Mm-hm. 1097.8705 756 DCA_int_01 1098.5130 You say you have a dog? Uh- 1099.9078 757 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1100.1112 Yes, I have a 1101.3607 758 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1101.3607 (pause 0.47) 1101.8298 759 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1101.8298 small mutt. 1102.5940 760 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1102.5940 (pause 0.26) 1102.8511 761 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1102.8511 Um, 1103.3824 762 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1103.3824 (pause 0.46) 1103.8422 763 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1103.8422 well he's actually, he was supposed to have been a cocker when we got him, but 1107.6697 764 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1107.6697 (pause 0.99) 1108.6618 765 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1108.6618 immediately when I noticed there's three colors. Uh, 1111.9187 766 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1111.9187 (pause 0.09) 1112.0068 767 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1112.0068 very rarely do you see a cocker with more than 1114.4681 768 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1114.4681 (pause 0.53) 1115.0030 769 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1115.0030 two colors. Matter of fact, I've never heard of a cocker with more than two colors. 1118.2576 770 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1118.2576 (pause 0.98) 1119.2373 771 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1119.2373 But uh, he's been with us for twelve years. Uh, he's like part of the family now. 1124.2510 772 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1124.2510 (pause 0.54) 1124.7948 773 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1124.7948 Mm-hm. 1125.2503 774 DCA_int_01 1125.3086 We had a dog thirteen years. 1126.9151 775 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1127.1559 [Thirteen?] 1127.8948 776 DCA_int_01 1127.1932 [/inaudible/] 1127.7703 777 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1128.0816 Is that right? Oh. 1129.0489 778 DCA_int_01 1129.6840 /Sad huh/? 1130.3731 779 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1130.7706 [Mm-hm.] 1131.3809 780 DCA_int_01 1130.7789 [What's his name?] 1131.4764 781 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1131.7794 Skippy. 1132.2443 782 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1132.2443 (pause 0.86) 1133.1078 783 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1133.1078 He's- knows how to play ball, and 1135.1918 784 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1135.1918 (pause 0.69) 1135.8840 785 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1135.8840 uh, shake. 1137.2166 786 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1137.2166 (pause 1.21) 1138.4287 787 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1138.4287 He jumps through the hoop. 1139.7530 788 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1139.7530 (pause 2.16) 1141.9148 789 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1141.9148 He can- He's smart little dog for- and I think this is maybe because he is a mutt that he's so smart. But he has quite a lot of um, 1149.7431 790 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1149.7431 (pause 0.73) 1150.4779 791 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1150.4779 sense for a little dog. 1151.7316 792 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1151.7316 (pause 0.22) 1151.9547 793 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1151.9547 And he's very small. Uh, not more than 1154.8191 794 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1154.8191 (pause 0.74) 1155.5580 795 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1155.5580 ten or twelve pounds or something of that sort. 1157.3296 796 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1157.3296 (pause 1.24) 1158.5667 797 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1158.5667 And, 1158.9818 798 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1158.9818 (pause 0.31) 1159.2932 799 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1159.2932 he's been a lot of company for the children. I have two daughters and uh, 1163.4706 800 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1163.4706 (pause 0.89) 1164.3567 801 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1164.3567 he's been a lot of company for the children. 1166.3452 802 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1166.3452 (pause 0.30) 1166.6441 803 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1166.6441 Mm-hm. 1167.1132 804 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1167.1132 (pause 0.34) 1167.4577 805 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1167.4577 Mm-hm. 1167.8978 806 DCA_int_01 1168.1790 He ever done anything funny or amusing? 1170.3751 807 DCA_int_01 1170.3751 (pause 0.57) 1170.9441 808 DCA_int_01 1170.9441 That you recall? 1171.8571 809 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1172.1726 The dog? 1172.7818 810 DCA_int_01 1172.8150 Yeah. 1173.1513 811 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1174.4797 Well, uh, 1175.5881 812 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1175.5881 (pause 1.01) 1176.5968 813 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1176.5968 /mm, other than/, 1177.7083 814 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1177.7083 (pause 0.54) 1178.2439 815 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1178.2439 you give him a bath, and he goes out and 1179.9365 816 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1179.9365 (pause 0.36) 1180.3003 817 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1180.3003 rolls in the dirt. Uh, 1182.5011 818 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1182.5011 (pause 1.33) 1183.8346 819 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1183.8346 he's an- a number of times, 1185.5948 820 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1185.5948 (pause 0.39) 1185.9808 821 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1185.9808 torn paper of course, out of the um, 1188.3844 822 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1188.3844 (pause 0.35) 1188.7321 823 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1188.7321 trash basket, and his 1190.0066 824 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1190.0066 (pause 0.16) 1190.1643 825 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1190.1643 da- soon- no sooner than you walk into the room, he knows that he's wrong. And he [cowers down] and looks up at you with his big eyes, [and you can't spank him.] 1198.4119 826 DCA_int_01 1194.5595 [Mm-hm.] 1194.9871 827 DCA_int_01 1194.9871 (pause 2.09) 1197.0752 828 DCA_int_01 1197.0752 1198.5074 829 DCA_int_01 1199.4446 /Little birdseed, huh?/ 1200.5011 830 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1200.3869 Mm-hm. 1200.9971 831 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1201.8814 But I think he does it sometimes just to get attention. 1204.5953 832 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1204.5953 (pause 0.25) 1204.8485 833 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1204.8485 I really do. /But/- 1205.8573 834 DCA_int_01 1206.4011 Well, they're smart [/to do/] things like that. 1208.8594 835 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1207.4680 [Mm-hm.] 1208.0575 836 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1209.0372 Mm-hm. 1209.5893 837 DCA_int_01 1210.9416 Do you feed him, uh, canned dog food? 1212.8304 838 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1213.1252 No, he's on um, 1214.7151 839 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1214.7151 (pause 0.63) 1215.3461 840 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1215.3461 um, 1215.8142 841 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1215.8142 (pause 0.42) 1216.2376 842 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1216.2376 m- 1216.4203 843 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1216.4203 (pause 0.31) 1216.7275 844 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1216.7275 dry food diet. He 1218.5042 845 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1218.5042 (pause 0.23) 1218.7325 846 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1218.7325 uh, eats 1219.4092 847 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1219.4092 (pause 0.24) 1219.6500 848 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1219.6500 Purina's, um, 1220.9244 849 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1220.9244 (pause 1.44) 1222.3640 850 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1222.3640 Purina Dog Chow, I believe, 1223.8856 851 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1223.8856 (pause 0.84) 1224.7219 852 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1224.7219 And he's been eating this now for the last five or six years. We've tried Gravy Train and a few other things, but he 1230.6448 853 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1230.6448 (pause 0.59) 1231.2384 854 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1231.2384 leaves it, so we go back to the Purina Dog Chow. My children always uh, 1236.6216 855 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1236.6216 (pause 1.31) 1237.9334 856 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1237.9334 give me a hard time about feeding him the same old thing, but 1241.9301 857 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1241.9301 (pause 0.83) 1242.7603 858 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1242.7603 he eats it, and he seems to be thriving off of it, 1245.2210 859 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1245.2210 (pause 0.63) 1245.8480 860 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1245.8480 so we- 1246.3917 861 DCA_int_01 1246.8898 Worked twelve years, it can't be /harmful/. 1248.9572 862 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1248.9530 Yeah, well he had some kidney damage some years ago. I don't know. I think he 1253.3939 863 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1253.7135 had some difficulty with his- 1255.3606 864 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1255.3606 (pause 0.28) 1255.6387 865 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1255.6387 one of his glands 1256.6475 866 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1256.6475 (pause 0.59) 1257.2369 867 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1257.2369 and um, 1258.1046 868 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1258.1046 (pause 0.32) 1258.4201 869 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1258.4201 the doctor told us to feed him uh, 1260.4864 870 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1260.4864 (pause 0.64) 1261.1257 871 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1261.1257 dry food because the 1262.6201 872 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1262.6201 (pause 0.46) 1263.0851 873 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1263.0851 beef or meat, 1264.1810 874 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1264.1810 (pause 0.51) 1264.6875 875 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1264.6875 uh, 1265.1016 876 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1265.1016 (pause 0.76) 1265.8613 877 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1265.8613 didn't do his kidneys any good. So, 1267.8705 878 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1267.8705 (pause 0.44) 1268.3147 879 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1268.3147 from that time on, 1269.7510 880 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1269.7510 (pause 0.34) 1270.0873 881 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1270.0873 we haven't had any difficulty with him eating or with his 1272.6891 882 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1272.6891 (pause 0.51) 1273.1997 883 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1273.1997 other trouble. 1273.9802 884 DCA_int_01 1274.1213 Huh. 1274.4285 885 DCA_int_01 1274.4285 (pause 0.20) 1274.6236 886 DCA_int_01 1274.6236 /Is that right/? 1275.2961 887 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1275.3252 Mm-hm. 1275.8566 888 DCA_int_01 1278.2010 Hm, that's good. Do you remember 1280.0732 889 DCA_int_01 1280.0732 (pause 1.03) 1281.1059 890 DCA_int_01 1281.1059 your grammar school, the things you studied there? 1284.1031 891 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1286.2110 Um, 1286.6884 892 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1286.6884 (pause 0.25) 1286.9416 893 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1286.9416 vaguely. 1287.5726 894 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1287.5726 (pause 0.32) 1287.8964 895 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1287.8964 We, um- 1288.7308 896 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1288.7308 (pause 0.52) 1289.2539 897 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1289.2539 I went to uh, 1290.5657 898 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1290.5657 (pause 0.15) 1290.7193 899 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1290.7193 /James D. Burnie/ out in Southeast, 1292.8312 900 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1292.8312 (pause 0.89) 1293.7196 901 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1293.7196 and um, 1294.7118 902 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1294.7118 (pause 0.86) 1295.5752 903 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1295.5752 oh, regular science, 1297.2804 904 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1297.2804 (pause 0.31) 1297.5876 905 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1297.5876 general science, I guess. 1299.1159 906 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1299.1159 (pause 0.08) 1299.1941 907 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1299.1941 The- I remember a history teacher, 1301.1743 908 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1301.1743 (pause 0.31) 1301.4857 909 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1301.4857 third grade, I remember. 1302.7217 910 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1302.7217 (pause 2.50) 1305.2249 911 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1305.2249 I remember some phases of learning to write. 1307.3836 912 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1307.3836 (pause 0.78) 1308.1672 913 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1308.1672 Uh, Geography, and 1310.2968 914 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1310.2968 (pause 2.18) 1312.4804 915 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1312.4804 some of the uh, 1313.5627 916 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1313.5627 (pause 0.67) 1314.2312 917 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1314.2312 /general ??/. 1314.9867 918 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1314.9867 (pause 0.80) 1315.7838 919 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1315.7838 It's hard right now because uh, 1317.7349 920 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1317.7349 (pause 0.51) 1318.2413 921 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1318.2413 I've helped my children with their homework, and I d- don't know whether some of these things I've learned in school when I was 1323.8819 922 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1323.8819 (pause 0.99) 1324.8730 923 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1324.8730 going to school myself, or one- some of the things that I've helped them with in recent years. 1329.4218 924 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1329.4218 (pause 0.68) 1330.1068 925 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1330.1068 But, I do know that we had Geography, Div- Division, Mathematics, uh, 1334.9379 926 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1334.9379 (pause 0.37) 1335.3073 927 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1335.3073 Handwriting, 1336.2629 928 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1336.2629 (pause 0.63) 1336.8890 929 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1336.8890 Physical Education. The same 1338.6865 930 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1338.6865 (pause 0.51) 1339.1971 931 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1339.1971 general things that they seem to be having in school now. 1342.2210 932 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1342.2210 (pause 0.67) 1342.8866 933 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1342.8866 Uh, we did concentrate possibly a little more on Handwriting and uh, 1347.1531 934 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1347.1531 (pause 0.53) 1347.6844 935 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1347.6844 maybe I'd- they- I concentrated more because- 1350.6848 936 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1350.6848 (pause 0.53) 1351.2120 937 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1351.2120 my father 1351.9302 938 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1351.9302 (pause 0.49) 1352.4242 939 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1352.4242 very rarely ever, uh 1354.0681 940 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1354.0681 (pause 0.95) 1355.0187 941 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1355.0187 wrote long hand. 1356.0234 942 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1356.0234 (pause 0.21) 1356.2340 943 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1356.2340 He printed most of the time. 1357.7244 944 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1357.7244 (pause 0.48) 1358.2018 945 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1358.2018 And I had a 1359.1275 946 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1359.1275 (pause 0.81) 1359.9370 947 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1359.9370 combination of printing and writing, 1361.9535 948 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1361.9535 (pause 0.24) 1362.1943 949 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1362.1943 and it was very difficult for me in school because the teachers wanted us to 1366.6849 950 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1366.6849 (pause 0.28) 1366.9631 951 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1366.9631 write, and I was 1368.4219 952 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1368.4219 (pause 0.22) 1368.6402 953 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1368.6402 constantly 1369.3625 954 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1369.3625 (pause 0.76) 1370.1181 955 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1370.1181 trying to print like my father, so it was a 1373.1350 956 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1373.1350 (pause 0.93) 1374.0675 957 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1374.0675 a struggle, right straight on through. 1376.2568 958 DCA_int_01 1376.2153 1376.5284 959 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1377.3268 Hm. 1377.7295 960 DCA_int_01 1377.9910 I can remember penmanship, but in my [case, it didn't] do much [good. ] 1381.9929 961 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1380.0002 [Yeah.] 1380.3822 962 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1380.3822 (pause 0.81) 1381.1958 963 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1381.1958 [No. ] 1381.9389 964 DCA_int_01 1382.5703 /What use is it these days, right?/ 1384.3003 965 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1384.2350 Mm. 1384.4681 966 DCA_int_01 1384.7151 /inaudible/ 1385.7695 967 DCA_int_01 1385.7695 (pause 0.23) 1386.0020 968 DCA_int_01 1386.0020 Do you remember what the kids would do after school was out? 1388.7159 969 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1390.6961 Generally? Um, well, I was on the 1393.9455 970 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1393.9455 (pause 0.89) 1394.8339 971 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1394.8339 Patrol for awhile. I can remember that, but uh, 1398.2836 972 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1398.2836 (pause 0.52) 1398.8015 973 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1398.8015 generally, we ran home and changed our clothes, and 1401.9938 974 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1401.9938 (pause 0.84) 1402.8324 975 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1402.8324 started to going into our 1405.0829 976 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1405.0829 (pause 0.65) 1405.7310 977 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1405.7310 general every evening 1407.6302 978 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1407.6302 (pause 0.64) 1408.2695 979 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1408.2695 playing. 1408.8175 980 DCA_int_01 1409.0044 Mm-hm. 1409.5266 981 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1409.6758 Um, 1410.2362 982 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1410.2362 (pause 1.19) 1411.4277 983 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1411.4277 now, do you mean uh- there were a few fights [after school. ] 1415.0090 984 DCA_int_01 1413.8645 [] 1415.0547 985 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1415.4380 Um, I can remember that, yeah, um, 1417.9689 986 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1417.9689 (pause 0.34) 1418.3093 987 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1418.3093 on occasion. 1419.0980 988 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1419.0980 (pause 0.62) 1419.7166 989 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1419.7166 Um- 1420.4887 990 DCA_int_01 1421.3273 Did kids play /unintelligible/? 1423.0327 991 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1423.0293 Generally. Something that 1424.8175 992 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1425.1413 maybe started in school. I remember one particular time, 1428.3917 993 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1428.3917 (pause 0.78) 1429.1753 994 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1429.1753 I was sitting in class, and I was leaning back in the chair, 1431.9318 995 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1431.9318 (pause 0.32) 1432.2556 996 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1432.2556 and this was in elementary school. And, 1434.3935 997 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1434.3935 (pause 0.65) 1435.0484 998 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1435.0484 the guys would uh, trip the back of the chair, and knock the chair from under you, [you know.] 1439.6553 999 DCA_int_01 1439.0450 [] 1439.9500 1000 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1440.1244 And I think this particular day, I was caught 1442.7853 1001 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1442.7853 (pause 0.86) 1443.6447 1002 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1443.6447 w- by someone who kicked the chair out from under me, and uh, 1446.6877 1003 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1446.6877 (pause 1.09) 1447.7783 1004 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1447.7783 we uh- 1448.8784 1005 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1448.8784 (pause 0.60) 1449.4803 1006 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1449.4803 the teacher immediately caught me. 1451.3100 1007 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1451.3100 (pause 0.29) 1451.5965 1008 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1451.5965 And uh, reprimanded me, and I made up my mind, well, I'm'a take care of this after [school you know. ] 1457.8182 1009 DCA_int_01 1456.3487 [] 1457.3284 1010 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1458.4451 And uh, so we 1459.9312 1011 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1459.9312 (pause 0.80) 1460.7283 1012 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1460.7283 had our little tussle, but, there again, it was general. By then- 1464.3472 1013 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1464.3472 (pause 0.34) 1464.6835 1014 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1464.6835 l- later on that evening, by the time we got to the playground, we were 1467.6838 1015 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1467.6838 (pause 0.28) 1467.9619 1016 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1467.9619 completely over it. We forgotten all about what we were fighting about. 1470.5851 1017 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1470.5851 (pause 0.51) 1471.0962 1018 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1471.0962 Mm-hm. 1471.4241 1019 DCA_int_01 1471.9960 Kids are great [that way.] 1473.3285 1020 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1472.7930 [Yeah.] 1474.4909 1021 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1474.6943 But I remember this particular time because we had visitors from uh- 1478.4211 1022 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1478.4211 (pause 0.68) 1479.1020 1023 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1479.1020 I don't know whether the 1480.0651 1024 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1480.0651 (pause 0.09) 1480.1510 1025 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1480.1510 s- 1480.5754 1026 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1480.5754 (pause 0.10) 1480.6779 1027 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1480.6779 s- supervisor or something of that sort was 1482.9115 1028 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1482.9115 (pause 0.13) 1483.0447 1029 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1483.0447 visiting the school. 1484.2900 1030 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1484.2900 (pause 0.49) 1484.7799 1031 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1484.7799 And evidently, 1485.7554 1032 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1485.7554 (pause 0.83) 1486.5899 1033 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1486.5899 I don't remember exactly whether 1488.1662 1034 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1488.1662 (pause 0.35) 1488.5150 1035 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1488.5150 the supervisor walked in just as 1490.6571 1036 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1490.6571 (pause 0.25) 1490.9062 1037 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1490.9062 my chair was clipped from under me. I just /?/ but it was very close to the- 1494.6597 1038 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1494.6597 (pause 0.54) 1495.1976 1039 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1495.1976 and it was very embarrassing to me and the teacher, 1497.6053 1040 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1497.6053 (pause 0.31) 1497.9125 1041 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1497.9125 now that I think back on it (laughing). 1499.5313 1042 DCA_int_01 1499.5546 Mm-hm. 1500.0536 1043 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1500.3109 Huh. 1500.6804 1044 DCA_int_01 1500.7856 Mm. 1501.1400 1045 DCA_int_01 1501.1400 (pause 1.85) 1502.9917 1046 DCA_int_01 1502.9917 Do kids do the same sorts of things today, as far you know? 1506.1217 1047 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1507.4377 Well, my kids say that I'm old fashioned, and uh, I don't really- 1512.0570 1048 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1512.0570 (pause 0.76) 1512.8209 1049 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1512.8209 I don't know. Maybe they do, but th- they seem to be a little more- 1516.6889 1050 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1516.6889 (pause 1.43) 1518.1211 1051 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1518.1211 The type of fighting that we did generally, as far as I could see, was, as I said, uh 1523.1769 1052 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1523.1769 (pause 1.19) 1524.3677 1053 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1524.3677 taking care of something that you couldn't do during school time, and that was the end of it. But now, they seem to be a little rougher than we were. We were just 1531.5474 1054 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1531.5474 (pause 0.68) 1532.2282 1055 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1532.2282 wanting to, you know, 1533.3159 1056 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1533.3159 (pause 0.19) 1533.5027 1057 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1533.5027 punch each other and /laugh/, you know, in the mouth or something, that's it. But we didn't really want to hurt anybody. 1537.9269 1058 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1537.9269 (pause 0.18) 1538.1096 1059 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1538.1096 But now, they seem to be- 1539.6082 1060 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1539.6082 (pause 0.53) 1540.1354 1061 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1540.1354 I don't know whether they learn more from television or just what it is. 1543.2063 1062 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1543.2063 (pause 0.13) 1543.3392 1063 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1543.3392 But when they fight now, from what I've seen, you know, in riding along after school, 1547.3815 1064 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1547.3815 (pause 0.39) 1547.7676 1065 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1547.7676 they seem to be a little 1548.7483 1066 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1548.7483 (pause 1.06) 1549.8054 1067 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1549.8054 more bent on destruction. [] 1552.7244 1068 DCA_int_01 1551.6352 [] 1552.3721 1069 DCA_int_01 1552.7386 /inaudible/ 1553.4660 1070 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1553.5404 Oh. 1554.1156 1071 DCA_int_01 1555.2219 You ever have a teacher that hollered a lot? 1557.0085 1072 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1558.1229 Um, 1558.8949 1073 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1558.8949 (pause 0.27) 1559.1609 1074 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1559.1609 yeah. I- 1559.9589 1075 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1559.9589 (pause 0.43) 1560.3939 1076 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1560.3939 I've had- 1561.2027 1077 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1561.2027 (pause 2.30) 1563.4989 1078 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1563.4989 Yeah, I had one that uh, hollered a lot, but now I can't remember 1567.3597 1079 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1567.3597 (pause 1.33) 1568.6853 1080 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1568.6853 too much about 1569.4725 1081 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1569.4725 (pause 0.58) 1570.0477 1082 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1570.0477 the teacher. I did have one that was very very um, 1572.8042 1083 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1572.8042 (pause 1.29) 1574.0909 1084 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1574.0909 rough spoken, but it was a v- she was a very good teacher. 1577.4125 1085 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1577.4125 (pause 0.29) 1577.6992 1086 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1577.6992 She was an excellent teacher. 1578.9071 1087 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1578.9071 (pause 0.81) 1579.7123 1088 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1579.7123 And um, I got a lot from her. 1582.0165 1089 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1582.0165 (pause 0.57) 1582.5836 1090 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1582.5836 But she- When I say rough spoken, she was v- Her voice was very heavy. She e- when she lambasted you, she 1588.6723 1091 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1588.6723 (pause 0.34) 1589.0102 1092 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1589.0102 really tore into you. 1590.1747 1093 DCA_int_01 1590.1606 /inaudible/ 1590.6177 1094 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1591.6659 But um, 1592.4677 1095 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1592.4677 (pause 0.93) 1593.3950 1096 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1593.3950 I'm not- 1593.8910 1097 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1593.8910 (pause 0.54) 1594.4267 1098 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1594.4267 Overall- I can't 1595.7639 1099 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1595.7639 (pause 1.49) 1597.2513 1100 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1597.2513 remember too much about uh, 1599.2176 1101 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1599.2176 (pause 1.14) 1600.3563 1102 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1600.3563 individual- 1601.2801 1103 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1601.2801 (pause 0.87) 1602.1501 1104 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1602.1501 Let- There were certain teachers that I do remember 1604.8641 1105 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1604.8641 (pause 0.73) 1605.5930 1106 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1605.5930 for certain [things.] 1606.8332 1107 DCA_int_01 1606.6247 [Mm-hm.] 1606.9857 1108 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1607.0740 And um, 1607.9763 1109 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1607.9763 (pause 0.19) 1608.1705 1110 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1608.1705 I remember I had a grandma teacher that uh, 1610.7542 1111 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1610.7542 (pause 1.06) 1611.8147 1112 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1611.8147 uh, we d- could never make it. I- I had to take my homework for my grandma twice 1615.9514 1113 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1615.9514 (pause 0.22) 1616.1671 1114 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1616.1671 because- 1617.3024 1115 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1617.3024 (pause 0.64) 1617.9412 1116 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1617.9412 /how was it/- I think it was a combination of two things. One thing, uh, it was nine o'clock in the morning, and this particular year 1623.9179 1117 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1623.9179 (pause 0.66) 1624.5735 1118 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1624.5735 uh, was um, I couldn't seem to make it to school on time. 1627.5494 1119 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1627.5494 (pause 0.74) 1628.2899 1120 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1628.2899 And that number 1629.5085 1121 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1629.5085 (pause 0.95) 1630.4567 1122 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1630.4567 two, uh, I think we- Somewhere along the line, we cross 1634.3211 1123 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1634.3211 (pause 0.47) 1634.7911 1124 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1634.7911 each other. I crossed her evidently. 1636.6712 1125 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1636.6712 (pause 0.93) 1637.5986 1126 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1637.5986 But, uh, the second 1638.8280 1127 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1638.8280 (pause 0.43) 1639.2621 1128 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1639.2621 semester- 1640.0530 1129 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1640.0530 (pause 0.22) 1640.2723 1130 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1640.2723 I took it from her again, and the second semester, 1642.5729 1131 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1642.5729 (pause 0.61) 1643.1876 1132 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1643.1876 I had no difficulty- I mean um, I 1644.9841 1133 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1644.9841 (pause 0.20) 1645.1818 1134 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1645.1818 went right through the course, and uh, we got to be great friends. And I've seen her since then, 1649.3473 1135 DCA_int_01 1649.6385 Hm. 1649.8542 1136 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1649.9656 and um, we've chatted about 1652.2519 1137 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1652.2519 (pause 0.21) 1652.4595 1138 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1652.4595 what 1652.7039 1139 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1652.7039 (pause 0.23) 1652.9340 1140 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1652.9340 you know, 1653.4236 1141 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1653.4236 (pause 0.45) 1653.8713 1142 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1653.8713 what transpired during the 1655.5870 1143 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1655.5870 (pause 0.92) 1656.5036 1144 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1656.5036 past ten, fifteen years or so. 1658.3756 1145 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1658.3756 (pause 0.48) 1658.8537 1146 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1658.8537 Mm-hm. 1659.2887 1147 DCA_int_01 1660.5541 You, uh, recall 1661.6037 1148 DCA_int_01 1661.6037 (pause 0.23) 1661.8374 1149 DCA_int_01 1661.8374 uh, any time that you in particular 1663.7957 1150 DCA_int_01 1663.7957 (pause 1.02) 1664.8166 1151 DCA_int_01 1664.8166 singled out for a lambasting? 1666.8620 1152 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1668.6693 Um, 1669.4458 1153 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1669.4458 (pause 2.65) 1672.0978 1154 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1672.0978 n- this particular time, the- the chair incident, 1674.8155 1155 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1674.8155 (pause 0.23) 1675.0420 1156 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1675.0420 and um, 1676.0988 1157 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1676.0988 (pause 0.45) 1676.5473 1158 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1676.5473 I remember one other time I was struck by a teacher. 1679.7574 1159 DCA_int_01 1679.9479 Ooh. 1680.5231 1160 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1680.6444 And- 1682.6827 1161 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1682.6827 (pause 0.22) 1682.9056 1162 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1682.9056 but, um, 1683.9804 1163 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1683.9804 (pause 0.52) 1684.4981 1164 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1684.4981 here again, I've 1685.4543 1165 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1685.4543 (pause 0.12) 1685.5756 1166 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1685.5756 seen him since then, and uh, 1687.5096 1167 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1687.5096 (pause 0.37) 1687.8799 1168 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1687.8799 we get along very nice. Matter of fact, he reminded of it (laughing). 1690.9633 1169 DCA_int_01 1690.9885 1691.6139 1170 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1691.5888 But um, 1692.5058 1171 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1693.7888 he d- When he struck me, he didn't uh, 1696.7132 1172 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1696.7132 (pause 0.65) 1697.3647 1173 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1697.3647 hurt me. I think at that particular time, I needed to be struck. I was way out of line. I think I was 1702.0011 1174 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1702.0011 (pause 0.64) 1702.6410 1175 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1702.6410 playing with the little girl in front of me or something of that sort, and I think he 1706.6590 1176 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1706.6590 (pause 0.41) 1707.0724 1177 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1707.0724 hadn't 1707.4463 1178 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1707.4463 (pause 0.17) 1707.6153 1179 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1707.6153 moved me over there because I was in trouble on that side of the room. And the- this was right /the fourth grade/. 1712.1438 1180 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1712.1438 (pause 1.10) 1713.2393 1181 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1713.2393 And uh, I remember him coming over and grabbing me by the shoulder or something of that sort, and 1718.2113 1182 DCA_int_01 1719.5355 [] 1720.4168 1183 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1719.5796 [sort of] pushing me on over the other side of the room, but uh, here again. I didn't uh, hold any- and I dare not tell my father, or my parents, [because] uh, 1727.6409 1184 DCA_int_01 1726.8788 [Hm.] 1727.2132 1185 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1728.9746 uh, that was unheard of in those days. If the teacher had speaked to- If the teacher spoke to you, you were wrong 1734.3371 1186 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1734.3371 (pause 0.09) 1734.4306 1187 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1734.4306 regardless [of what you- did- you- It could] be the teacher that [was wrong] but in this case, 1739.3402 1188 DCA_int_01 1735.0130 [/inaudible/] 1736.4678 1189 DCA_int_01 1736.4678 (pause 0.63) 1737.0934 1190 DCA_int_01 1737.0934 [] 1738.1611 1191 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1739.4984 as far as my parents were concerned, if the teacher spoke to me, I was wrong. 1743.6381 1192 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1743.6381 (pause 0.91) 1744.5445 1193 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1744.5445 So, 1745.1449 1194 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1745.1449 (pause 0.87) 1746.0139 1195 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1746.0139 I never said anything that wou- And I 1748.1924 1196 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1748.1924 (pause 0.18) 1748.3685 1197 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1748.3685 somewhat feel that way to a certain degree now, but if my children- (laughing) 1751.6676 1198 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1751.6676 (pause 0.36) 1752.0235 1199 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1752.0235 if the teacher has to speak to 'em, it's because they were generally doing something that the had no business doing. 1756.5054 1200 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1756.5054 (pause 0.56) 1757.0696 1201 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1757.0696 But- 1757.3960 1202 DCA_int_01 1759.7146 So you think it was probably 1760.8002 1203 DCA_int_01 1760.8002 (pause 0.73) 1761.5299 1204 DCA_int_01 1761.5299 fair? 1762.0152 1205 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1762.5185 In [this particular instance, um], I probably- Now that I think back over it, uh, 1766.8529 1206 DCA_int_01 1762.7845 [/inaudible/] 1764.1141 1207 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1767.6114 I might have reacted 1768.7438 1208 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1768.7438 (pause 0.55) 1769.2965 1209 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1769.2965 myself in a little different way. I might have done little more than he [did. ] 1774.0012 1210 DCA_int_01 1772.4563 [] 1773.4485 1211 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1774.1198 But uh, I was disrupting his class. And I realize that now, and I think he took about as much as he could take. 1780.1006 1212 DCA_int_01 1780.5823 Mm. 1780.8879 1213 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1780.8663 And um, 1781.5277 1214 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1782.7203 He put a end to it. 1783.6801 1215 DCA_int_01 1784.5860 Can you remember the best teacher you ever had? 1786.8076 1216 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1788.7012 Ah, I think the former Grammar teacher that I was just telling you [about], um, 1792.7252 1217 DCA_int_01 1791.8555 [Hm.] 1792.1580 1218 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1792.9658 was very good. And then I had another History teacher, 1796.4610 1219 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1796.4610 (pause 0.74) 1797.1966 1220 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1797.1966 in um, 1798.1488 1221 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1798.1488 (pause 0.74) 1798.8870 1222 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1798.8870 high school 1799.8358 1223 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1799.8358 (pause 0.86) 1800.6952 1224 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1800.6952 that I liked very much. And she was a very good teacher. She was a very effective teacher. I had an- Algebra, uh, 1806.7719 1225 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1806.7719 (pause 1.20) 1807.9742 1226 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1807.9742 Geometry, or Algebra or something of that sort- 1810.3014 1227 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1810.3014 (pause 0.38) 1810.6796 1228 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1810.6796 Must have been Algebra teacher, in uh, 1812.5618 1229 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1812.5618 (pause 0.98) 1813.5422 1230 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1813.5422 Junior High School that was very good. 1815.4466 1231 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1815.4466 (pause 1.99) 1817.4361 1232 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1817.4361 I don't know that she could get very much uh, 1820.2253 1233 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1820.2253 (pause 0.35) 1820.5737 1234 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1820.5737 math over to me, but uh, she was very effective as far as uh, 1824.7125 1235 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1824.7125 (pause 0.41) 1825.1242 1236 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1825.1242 teaching those who 1826.3652 1237 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1826.3652 (pause 0.24) 1826.6024 1238 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1826.6024 could comprehend. [] 1829.2115 1239 DCA_int_01 1827.3817 [] 1828.2676 1240 DCA_int_01 1829.7881 [What is it that] makes a good teacher? 1832.2631 1241 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1829.9875 [But uh-] 1830.7678 1242 DCA_int_01 1833.3490 /Think back ??/. 1834.3832 1243 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1835.5211 Well I think it's a combination of um, 1837.9968 1244 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1837.9968 (pause 2.02) 1840.0166 1245 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1840.0166 well, 1840.6044 1246 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1840.6044 (pause 0.24) 1840.8484 1247 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1840.8484 m- to say, respect or- or- um- 1843.5770 1248 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1843.5770 (pause 2.99) 1846.5707 1249 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1846.5707 interests that the teacher can uh, 1849.3134 1250 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1849.3134 (pause 2.76) 1852.0763 1251 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1852.0763 get f- get from the student, 1853.7127 1252 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1853.7127 (pause 1.63) 1855.3386 1253 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1855.3386 um, this- Sorry- uh- [they uh,] interest that a teacher can get 1860.6247 1254 DCA_int_01 1857.1253 [That's okay.] 1857.9194 1255 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1860.7820 and the general uh, 1862.6795 1256 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1862.6795 (pause 2.64) 1865.3153 1257 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1865.3153 um, 1866.0303 1258 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1866.0303 (pause 1.95) 1867.9759 1259 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1867.9759 display that she prov- uh- puts out- When I say display, I mean the uh, 1872.2961 1260 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1872.2961 (pause 0.23) 1872.5264 1261 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1872.5264 way she 1873.2861 1262 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1873.2861 (pause 0.37) 1873.6539 1263 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1873.6539 conducts her [class generally.] Uh, 1876.2656 1264 DCA_int_01 1874.5950 [Mm-hm.] 1874.9800 1265 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1876.5612 the discipline. 1877.4069 1266 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1877.4069 (pause 0.24) 1877.6475 1267 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1877.6475 I think discipline is a very important part of a 1880.3651 1268 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1880.3651 (pause 0.54) 1880.9089 1269 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1880.9089 classroom. Now, when I say discipline, I don't mean um, 1883.8093 1270 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1883.8093 (pause 0.62) 1884.4247 1271 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1884.4247 the- what I was speaking of earlier. I mean 1886.5594 1272 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1886.5594 (pause 0.30) 1886.8619 1273 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1886.8619 the uh, overall 1888.5592 1274 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1888.5592 (pause 0.45) 1889.0061 1275 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1889.0061 conduct of the class. If everybody's eager to learn. If everybody- if the teacher can 1893.9897 1276 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1893.9897 (pause 0.55) 1894.5427 1277 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1894.5427 uh, arouse enough interest to keep everybody interested 1897.7357 1278 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1897.7357 (pause 0.31) 1898.0451 1279 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1898.0451 in the class. And uh, this way of course- This isn't a form of- of discipline in my opinion. 1902.9022 1280 DCA_int_01 1903.0514 /Okay/. 1903.4570 1281 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1903.8297 And uh, I think that this is uh- 1905.9154 1282 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1905.9154 (pause 0.42) 1906.3382 1283 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1906.3382 Generally 1907.1632 1284 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1907.1632 (pause 0.44) 1907.5998 1285 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1907.5998 the best teachers that I've had were 1909.7228 1286 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1909.7228 (pause 0.17) 1909.8884 1287 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1909.8884 teachers that were able to do this. 1912.2156 1288 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1912.2156 (pause 0.69) 1912.9100 1289 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1912.9100 And I did have several that I can remember very well, that uh- 1916.8726 1290 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1916.8726 (pause 0.66) 1917.5292 1291 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1917.5292 You didn't have time- You didn't think about doing anything out of the- 1921.0243 1292 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1921.0243 (pause 0.96) 1921.9834 1293 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1921.9834 Because you did- You were so interested in what she was saying you didn't want to miss a word that he or she was saying. 1927.0420 1294 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1927.0420 (pause 0.38) 1927.4268 1295 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1927.4268 I had several. I had a Civics teacher like that. Uh, 1930.1046 1296 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1930.1046 (pause 0.50) 1930.5996 1297 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1930.5996 Math teacher, History teacher, 1932.4310 1298 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1932.4310 (pause 0.33) 1932.7610 1299 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1932.7610 and the former Grammar teacher. 1934.1189 1300 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1934.1189 (pause 0.50) 1934.6173 1301 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1934.6173 Uh, I think in the case of the former Grammar teacher, I think it was mainly because I was late so much. I think it was tardiness played a big deal now. 1941.1710 1302 DCA_int_01 1941.5309 Mm-hm. 1942.0531 1303 DCA_int_01 1942.0531 (pause 1.57) 1943.6220 1304 DCA_int_01 1943.6220 You're lucky to have so many. 1945.4293 1305 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1945.6871 Well 1946.6462 1306 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1946.6462 (pause 0.51) 1947.1515 1307 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1947.1515 I /had the ones as bad as I said/. But sometimes you- you, um- 1950.2376 1308 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1950.2376 (pause 0.96) 1951.1966 1309 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1951.1966 My interests 1952.2554 1310 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1952.2554 (pause 0.65) 1952.9085 1311 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1952.9085 were so 1953.6801 1312 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1953.6801 (pause 0.51) 1954.1933 1313 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1954.1933 uh, varied at that particular time, I didn't uh- 1957.5269 1314 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1957.5269 (pause 0.12) 1957.6517 1315 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1957.6517 Maybe I should have concentrated a little more in the areas that they were trying to teach 1962.3234 1316 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1962.3234 (pause 0.30) 1962.6270 1317 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1962.6270 or retained a little more of it. 1965.0692 1318 DCA_int_01 1965.0543 Yeah, I think everybody feels that way. 1966.9003 1319 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1966.9957 Yeah. Uh-huh. 1967.9857 1320 DCA_int_01 1968.4772 When they think back. 1969.4432 1321 DCA_int_01 1969.4432 (pause 0.26) 1969.7079 1322 DCA_int_01 1969.7079 Was there ever a teacher that you just couldn't stand? 1971.9586 1323 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1974.6640 There were one or two that I didn't particular like, 1977.4922 1324 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1977.4922 (pause 0.27) 1977.7604 1325 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1977.7604 but um, 1978.7091 1326 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1978.7091 (pause 0.99) 1979.6983 1327 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1979.6983 we made it through. I stayed out of 1981.7058 1328 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1981.7058 (pause 0.25) 1981.9602 1329 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1981.9602 their way, and uh, 1983.1565 1330 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1983.1565 (pause 1.82) 1984.9810 1331 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1984.9810 just hoped that they would leave me alone generally (laughing), but uh, it wasn't the case for, uh- 1989.6542 1332 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1989.6542 (pause 0.50) 1990.1536 1333 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1990.1536 I never hated a teacher, as far as I- Or, 1993.1718 1334 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1993.1718 (pause 0.56) 1993.7347 1335 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1993.7347 disliked a teacher 1994.8314 1336 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1994.8314 (pause 0.84) 1995.6735 1337 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1995.6735 very, you know, that strongly that 1997.5530 1338 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1997.5530 (pause 1.14) 1998.6977 1339 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 1998.6977 I wanted to be moved out of the class or felt that /oh, I've/ got to go here another day or something. That's uh, no, I can't remember 2005.6407 1340 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2005.6407 (pause 0.58) 2006.2208 1341 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2006.2208 any case of that sort. 2007.4549 1342 DCA_int_01 2007.9946 Remember any cases where the kids in the class played a trick on the teacher? 2011.6444 1343 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2013.9579 Mm, no. 2015.1120 1344 DCA_int_01 2014.9986 Put any tacks on the seat or anything of that nature? 2017.6524 1345 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2017.7108 No. 2018.3296 1346 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2018.3296 (pause 0.64) 2018.9724 1347 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2018.9724 No, my- 2019.9521 1348 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2019.9521 (pause 1.30) 2021.2541 1349 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2021.2541 I remember another- I 2022.7047 1350 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2022.7047 (pause 0.31) 2023.0141 1351 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2023.0141 always had a problem with tardiness. I don't know why- well one of the reasons why- I did have to travel quite a ways to uh, school. 2028.8021 1352 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2028.8021 (pause 0.72) 2029.5197 1353 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2029.5197 And I remember one particular time, this- uh- my section teacher, 2033.7126 1354 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2033.7126 (pause 0.57) 2034.2867 1355 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2034.2867 used to make us stay 2036.2324 1356 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2036.2324 (pause 0.61) 2036.8374 1357 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2036.8374 five minutes over- Well, she would make us stay the same length of time over in the evening, for the amount- length of time that we were tardy in the morning. 2044.3158 1358 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2044.3158 (pause 1.45) 2045.7630 1359 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2045.7630 And I had been /so/ tardy several times, and uh 2048.4847 1360 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2048.4847 (pause 0.88) 2049.3613 1361 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2049.3613 so 2049.9216 1362 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2049.9216 (pause 0.23) 2050.1553 1363 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2050.1553 this particular morning, 2051.4195 1364 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2051.4195 (pause 0.51) 2051.9248 1365 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2051.9248 and I saw the principal, 2053.3990 1366 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2053.3990 (pause 0.52) 2053.9152 1367 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2053.9152 as I was coming into the school, running to get into school on time. 2057.2350 1368 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2057.2350 (pause 0.72) 2057.9534 1369 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2057.9534 And uh, I said, uh, 2060.2867 1370 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2060.2867 (pause 2.08) 2062.3664 1371 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2062.3664 good morning, Doctor /RD-NAME-3/. And uh, 2065.1947 1372 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2065.1947 (pause 0.94) 2066.1297 1373 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2066.1297 the um- 2067.0750 1374 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2067.0750 (pause 0.69) 2067.7625 1375 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2067.7625 When I got into the classroom, I was still two or three minutes late, and the teacher wanted to know why I was late 2073.2300 1376 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2073.2300 (pause 0.13) 2073.3606 1377 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2073.3606 for class 2073.9725 1378 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2073.9725 (pause 0.59) 2074.5672 1379 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2074.5672 before school, 2075.3234 1380 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2075.3234 (pause 0.43) 2075.7531 1381 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2075.7531 and I told her I stopped and had a conversation with the principal. 2078.9217 1382 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2078.9217 (pause 0.84) 2079.7640 1383 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2079.7640 So uh, 2080.8811 1384 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2080.8811 (pause 0.25) 2081.1355 1385 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2081.1355 she wanted to know what the conversation- I said, well we stopped and a had a few words, and I didn't want to go into detail as to just what happened. 2087.2282 1386 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2087.2282 (pause 0.58) 2087.8129 1387 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2087.8129 So finally, um, she got it out of me, just what the conversation was about. And I told her, well, I stopped and said good morning, so- [] 2094.5757 1388 DCA_int_01 2094.1514 [] 2094.6037 1389 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2095.8001 So she thought that was quite uh, something. She carried me to the principal's office and uh, 2100.9281 1390 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2100.9281 (pause 0.11) 2101.0381 1391 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2101.0381 she thought, well, you know. This is one of the books, so you better here this one. 2104.9320 1392 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2104.9320 (pause 0.57) 2105.5026 1393 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2105.5026 And I think I was given a very stern warning that if it ever happened again [that- ] 2110.6959 1394 DCA_int_01 2109.2899 [] 2110.8300 1395 DCA_int_01 2112.1534 Never to use that [excuse.] 2114.1910 1396 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2113.0016 [Yeah. Well.] 2114.1360 1397 DCA_int_01 2114.9026 That's pretty good. 2115.8995 1398 DCA_int_01 2115.8995 (pause 2.11) 2118.0093 1399 DCA_int_01 2118.0093 When you were a kid, was there a certain n- or- 2120.6184 1400 DCA_int_01 2120.6184 (pause 0.79) 2121.4048 1401 DCA_int_01 2121.4048 either as a younger child or as a 2123.2473 1402 DCA_int_01 2123.2473 (pause 0.48) 2123.7251 1403 DCA_int_01 2123.7251 teenager, 2124.4607 1404 DCA_int_01 2124.4607 (pause 0.37) 2124.8286 1405 DCA_int_01 2124.8286 was there a bunch of kids that- 2126.3195 1406 DCA_int_01 2126.3195 (pause 0.66) 2126.9830 1407 DCA_int_01 2126.9830 that you associated with? 2128.3718 1408 DCA_int_01 2128.3718 (pause 1.27) 2129.6429 1409 DCA_int_01 2129.6429 /inaudible/ 2130.7876 1410 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2131.2963 Um, 2132.1351 1411 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2132.1351 (pause 0.38) 2132.5167 1412 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2132.5167 I was /never/- Well yes, I guess so. 2134.7055 1413 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2134.7055 (pause 0.57) 2135.2796 1414 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2135.2796 Uh, 2135.8193 1415 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2135.8193 (pause 0.43) 2136.2455 1416 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2136.2455 we- we- There was several of us that went around together. I had 2139.2113 1417 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2139.2113 (pause 0.58) 2139.7957 1418 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2139.7957 several friends that I carried all the way from- Well, when I say, I carried, we 2144.1227 1419 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2144.1227 (pause 0.39) 2144.5077 1420 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2144.5077 carried each other all the way from elementary school all the way through, 2147.6557 1421 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2147.6557 (pause 0.90) 2148.5597 1422 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2148.5597 and um, 2149.5119 1423 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2149.5119 (pause 0.20) 2149.7133 1424 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2149.7133 we went around together in the kindergarten, first grade, and I think when I got in about in, 2153.4446 1425 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2153.4446 (pause 0.90) 2154.3435 1426 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2154.3435 the 2154.8899 1427 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2154.8899 (pause 0.74) 2155.6346 1428 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2155.6346 third or fourth, one 2157.3223 1429 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2157.3223 (pause 0.93) 2158.2510 1430 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2158.2510 uh, fella and his brother and what have you, moved away 2161.7365 1431 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2161.7365 (pause 0.50) 2162.2389 1432 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2162.2389 and I was thrown in to with an- thrown into another group. 2165.5449 1433 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2165.5449 (pause 0.76) 2166.3053 1434 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2166.3053 And we went around together for 2168.0544 1435 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2168.0544 (pause 0.93) 2168.9886 1436 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2168.9886 um, 2169.5912 1437 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2169.5912 (pause 0.30) 2169.8908 1438 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2169.8908 number of years all the way through high school, matter of fact. And /there were/ three or four of us that 2173.8699 1439 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2173.8699 (pause 0.22) 2174.0858 1440 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2174.0858 stayed together. We'd- we'd go swimming together. We- we would go, uh- 2177.6408 1441 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2177.6408 (pause 0.35) 2177.9933 1442 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2177.9933 We play basketball together in the evening. 2179.9365 1443 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2179.9365 (pause 0.63) 2180.5667 1444 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2180.5667 We uh- 2181.3896 1445 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2181.3896 (pause 0.40) 2181.7862 1446 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2181.7862 I guess you'd call it uh- s- uh- Well maybe it's 2184.5050 1447 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2184.5050 (pause 0.73) 2185.2321 1448 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2185.2321 our gang, so to [speak. Uh,] 2186.8845 1449 DCA_int_01 2186.2324 [Uh-huh.] 2186.7242 1450 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2187.7687 um, 2188.3905 1451 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2188.3905 (pause 0.28) 2188.6725 1452 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2188.6725 we um, 2189.6860 1453 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2189.6860 (pause 0.61) 2190.2985 1454 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2190.2985 played whatever games we played. We went to the movies together. We went to the circus together. 2195.1181 1455 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2195.1181 (pause 0.80) 2195.9220 1456 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2195.9220 I never will forget one particular time. Um, 2198.3971 1457 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2198.3971 (pause 0.23) 2198.6308 1458 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2198.6308 this- 2199.1252 1459 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2199.1252 (pause 0.64) 2199.7640 1460 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2199.7640 Two or three of us went to circus on Sunday afternoon, and uh, 2203.1615 1461 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2203.1615 (pause 0.72) 2203.8806 1462 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2203.8806 I think we left the house around twelve o'clock. 2206.1145 1463 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2206.1145 (pause 0.85) 2206.9595 1464 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2206.9595 And I came back around ten, 2208.9971 1465 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2208.9971 (pause 1.07) 2210.0698 1466 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2210.0698 my father was waiting for me. He had been all over the neighborhood looking for me. 2214.6589 1467 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2214.6589 (pause 0.31) 2214.9705 1468 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2214.9705 And uh- and th- I th- I don't remember exactly how old I was. I think I must have been about thirteen, 2219.6750 1469 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2219.6750 (pause 0.92) 2220.5904 1470 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2220.5904 twelve or thirteen. And- I know- My father was a 2223.6708 1471 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2223.6708 (pause 1.15) 2224.8225 1472 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2224.8225 even- My father is an even tempered man, and um, 2228.4537 1473 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2228.4537 (pause 0.61) 2229.0629 1474 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2229.0629 he uh, 2229.9918 1475 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2229.9918 (pause 0.83) 2230.8249 1476 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2230.8249 didn't take too kindly to the 2232.7126 1477 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2232.7126 (pause 0.27) 2232.9823 1478 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2232.9823 idea that I was away from home all day without telling anybody where I was. 2236.9541 1479 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2236.9541 (pause 0.81) 2237.7632 1480 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2237.7632 And here again now, I can appreciate that /unintelligible/, [but at] that time, I thought he was being very unreasonable. I was only at the circus. 2244.9103 1481 DCA_int_01 2241.2271 [Yeah.] 2241.7065 1482 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2245.2740 [] 2247.6500 1483 DCA_int_01 2245.5118 [/inaudible/.] 2246.6916 1484 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2247.8538 /That's right/. Hm. 2248.8965 1485 DCA_int_01 2251.0765 Was there 2251.5619 1486 DCA_int_01 2251.5619 (pause 0.28) 2251.8436 1487 DCA_int_01 2251.8436 a- a way that 2253.0362 1488 DCA_int_01 2253.0362 (pause 0.34) 2253.3718 1489 DCA_int_01 2253.3718 new kids could have gotten into that group? 2255.7210 1490 DCA_int_01 2255.7210 (pause 1.09) 2256.8117 1491 DCA_int_01 2256.8117 /inaudible/ 2259.2192 1492 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2259.1774 Well, [um,] 2259.9832 1493 DCA_int_01 2259.6329 [/inaudible/] 2261.1911 1494 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2261.1431 we had something happen in Anacostia, for instance, that uh- 2265.4760 1495 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2266.1158 that they built a 2267.1765 1496 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2267.1765 (pause 0.38) 2267.5601 1497 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2267.5601 project, a um- development. 2269.6336 1498 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2269.6336 (pause 0.70) 2270.3348 1499 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2270.3348 And uh, 2271.3715 1500 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2271.3715 (pause 0.53) 2271.8989 1501 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2271.8989 there were a number of fellows that moved into the area- 2274.8340 1502 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2274.8340 (pause 0.26) 2275.0917 1503 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2275.0917 in to the project at that time. I d- I don't remember- 2278.2070 1504 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2278.2070 (pause 0.13) 2278.3376 1505 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2278.3376 This must have been uh, 2279.6703 1506 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2279.6703 (pause 0.74) 2280.4074 1507 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2280.4074 in the forties. But anyhow, a- um, 2282.5813 1508 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2282.5813 (pause 0.60) 2283.1806 1509 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2283.1806 they came in. There were several of them that played basketball with us, and uh- 2287.6154 1510 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2287.6154 (pause 0.32) 2287.9390 1511 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2287.9390 W- When I say that I can remember, 2290.3527 1512 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2290.3527 (pause 0.62) 2290.9700 1513 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2290.9700 nothing happened in Anacostia for many many years, and then they built the project. 2295.6804 1514 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2295.6804 (pause 0.41) 2296.0879 1515 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2296.0879 And when they built the project, this was 2297.6386 1516 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2297.6386 (pause 0.39) 2298.0281 1517 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2298.0281 quite an influx of people. 2299.7721 1518 DCA_int_01 2299.8895 Mm-hm. 2300.3605 1519 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2300.4613 And um, there were a lot of fellows that we did go around with. We played ball with, and uh, 2306.0092 1520 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2306.0092 (pause 0.30) 2306.3089 1521 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2306.3089 there were a lot of new girls that came to the school. Of course, we had- They built- At the same time, they built a project, they built a community 2313.4469 1522 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2313.4469 (pause 0.69) 2314.1401 1523 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2314.1401 uh, center. 2315.1709 1524 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2315.1709 (pause 0.87) 2316.0399 1525 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2316.0399 And they used to have dances and- and uh, movies on uh, 2320.1391 1526 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2320.1391 (pause 0.77) 2320.9047 1527 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2320.9047 Friday night I believe. Friday or Saturday night. 2323.2379 1528 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2323.2379 (pause 0.96) 2324.2008 1529 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2324.2008 And it had its good influences in some cases. In some cases, bad influences, but uh, overall I think it sort of balanced out in some 2332.7392 1530 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2332.7392 (pause 0.45) 2333.1887 1531 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2333.1887 area. 2333.7999 1532 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2333.7999 (pause 1.05) 2334.8472 1533 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2334.8472 Mm. 2335.4465 1534 DCA_int_01 2335.9439 Could uh- 2336.6990 1535 DCA_int_01 2336.6990 (pause 0.70) 2337.4002 1536 DCA_int_01 2337.4002 Did any of them, sort of, make this 2339.2748 1537 DCA_int_01 2339.2748 (pause 0.88) 2340.1570 1538 DCA_int_01 2340.1570 intimate group that you have that you went to movies with- 2342.9257 1539 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2343.3137 Mm-hm. 2343.7632 1540 DCA_int_01 2343.8951 were with all the time, did 2345.0936 1541 DCA_int_01 2345.0936 (pause 0.32) 2345.4113 1542 DCA_int_01 2345.4113 any of them get into that 2346.5499 1543 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2347.5987 [Um-] 2348.2339 1544 DCA_int_01 2347.7066 [??] 2348.4377 1545 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2348.5276 yeah, one or two of 'em. Uh, that's- If I can remember, that uh- 2352.8110 1546 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2352.8110 (pause 0.25) 2353.0568 1547 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2353.0568 Yeah- to the- Yeah. We did. One fella in particular, we used to uh- 2356.7992 1548 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2356.7992 (pause 0.81) 2357.6114 1549 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2357.6114 He came right on in, and we uh- 2359.4675 1550 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2359.4675 (pause 1.05) 2360.5165 1551 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2360.5165 He went just about everywhere with us for a quite a little while. 2363.3587 1552 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2363.3587 (pause 0.26) 2363.6208 1553 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2363.6208 Matter of fact, there were a couple in later years, in high school years. 2366.7895 1554 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2366.7895 (pause 0.80) 2367.5926 1555 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2367.5926 But then, of course, in high school, I drifted away from 2371.2938 1556 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2371.2938 (pause 0.27) 2371.5596 1557 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2371.5596 the group, as such. Uh, 2373.0171 1558 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2373.0171 (pause 0.49) 2373.5076 1559 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2373.5076 my father wasn't much on um, 2375.3819 1560 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2375.3819 (pause 1.35) 2376.7303 1561 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2376.7303 traveling in crowds, 2378.0008 1562 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2378.0008 (pause 0.34) 2378.3364 1563 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2378.3364 and uh, never allowed me- He didn't mind 2380.9494 1564 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2380.9494 (pause 0.23) 2381.1831 1565 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2381.1831 me 2381.5307 1566 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2381.5307 (pause 0.42) 2381.9487 1567 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2381.9487 going some place uh, 2383.4469 1568 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2383.4469 (pause 0.56) 2384.0103 1569 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2384.0103 what have you, but he didn't ever 2385.7422 1570 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2385.7422 (pause 0.52) 2386.2576 1571 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2386.2576 uh, approve- He never approved as far as I can remember /up/ uh, 2390.3131 1572 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2390.3131 (pause 0.74) 2391.0565 1573 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2391.0565 traveling with a group. 2392.1184 1574 DCA_int_01 2392.5187 Mm-hm. 2393.0341 1575 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2393.3398 And um, if there more than three or four of us, or more than two of us generally, he had something to say about it. 2399.7687 1576 DCA_int_01 2399.7028 Mm-hm. 2400.1942 1577 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2400.8136 But um, 2401.6890 1578 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2401.6890 (pause 2.06) 2403.7480 1579 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2403.7480 if we did go to 2405.3526 1580 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2405.3526 (pause 0.42) 2405.7721 1581 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2405.7721 you know, games- Or I remember going out to uh, 2408.5229 1582 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2408.5229 (pause 0.58) 2409.1042 1583 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2409.1042 the Canal, 2409.8773 1584 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2409.8773 (pause 0.30) 2410.1769 1585 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2410.1769 out to Great Falls, right near Great Falls. Hiked around Chain Bridge, and we used to rent boats and go boating and things of that sort. Now this was in high school of course. 2419.2487 1586 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2419.2487 (pause 0.87) 2420.1237 1587 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2420.1237 I didn't swim that well, but I used to- Several of the fellas that I went around with were very good swimmers. 2426.4507 1588 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2426.4507 (pause 0.64) 2427.0920 1589 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2427.0920 And uh, they liked horseback riding. I used to horseback ride too, 2430.5184 1590 DCA_int_01 2430.5724 Mm-hm. 2430.9896 1591 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2431.5864 but uh, th- As I said again, now this was later years. This was high school. 2435.2468 1592 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2435.2468 (pause 1.00) 2436.2462 1593 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2436.2462 L- My last year or so in high school, I drifted completely away from them because I went to work for a bookstore. 2442.5807 1594 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2442.5807 (pause 0.79) 2443.3658 1595 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2443.3658 And uh, and I worked in a book store up until um, 2446.3787 1596 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2446.3787 (pause 1.14) 2447.5234 1597 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2447.5234 uh, summer. 2448.3324 1598 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2448.3324 (pause 0.27) 2448.6021 1599 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2448.6021 And then I started college, and I worked. 2451.1956 1600 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2451.1956 (pause 0.68) 2451.8728 1601 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2451.8728 I went to school during the day time and worked in the evening, 2454.6715 1602 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2454.6715 (pause 0.38) 2455.0550 1603 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2455.0550 and so uh, 2456.3854 1604 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2456.3854 (pause 0.58) 2456.9667 1605 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2456.9667 here again, um, I didn't have much act- 2459.2981 1606 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2459.2981 (pause 0.21) 2459.5079 1607 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2459.5079 time for activity 2461.3041 1608 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2461.3041 (pause 0.96) 2462.2630 1609 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2462.2630 of the sort. Then I got married very young, too, so /this makes another/- 2466.8555 1610 DCA_int_01 2467.0918 /I'm going to cut you off/. 2467.8382 1611 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2467.9428 [Mm-hm.] 2468.4762 1612 DCA_int_01 2468.2579 [So.] 2468.4942 1613 DCA_int_01 2469.8066 was- did the- 2470.6756 1614 DCA_int_01 2470.6756 (pause 0.52) 2471.1970 1615 DCA_int_01 2471.1970 those kids have to do anything special to get into your group, or they just start hanging around. Or how did that work? 2476.0797 1616 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2477.5060 M- generally it's just a matter of start hanging around, being on the basketball court when we went out in the evening to play basketball. 2485.0796 1617 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2485.0796 (pause 1.40) 2486.4760 1618 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2486.4760 Or- We had one fella 2488.5194 1619 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2488.5194 (pause 0.19) 2488.7059 1620 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2488.7059 that um, 2489.5126 1621 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2489.5126 (pause 1.17) 2490.6875 1622 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2490.6875 father left him a great deal of- He worked in the evenings. He lost his mother when he was young, and his 2496.1890 1623 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2496.1890 (pause 0.46) 2496.6504 1624 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2496.6504 father 2497.2737 1625 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2497.2737 (pause 0.44) 2497.7157 1626 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2497.7157 worked in the evenings at the Navy yard. 2499.6694 1627 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2499.6694 (pause 0.53) 2500.2028 1628 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2500.2028 And uh, 2501.0118 1629 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2501.0118 (pause 0.80) 2501.8149 1630 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2501.8149 he left enough work to do to keep him busy, for- up until twelve o'clock at night I guess, if he did it all by myself. But mainly, this- I- As I 2509.9758 1631 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2509.9758 (pause 0.40) 2510.3713 1632 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2510.3713 think about it now, w- probably to keep him out of trouble. 2512.8149 1633 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2512.8149 (pause 0.93) 2513.7498 1634 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2513.7498 But what we used to is f- three or four of us would go down, and we'd all 2517.9209 1635 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2517.9209 (pause 0.34) 2518.2625 1636 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2518.2625 pool together and knock out the work, so that we could all go (laughing) up and play. 2522.3045 1637 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2522.3045 (pause 0.65) 2522.9535 1638 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2522.9535 And um, 2523.9183 1639 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2523.9183 (pause 0.76) 2524.6826 1640 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2524.6826 this uh, 2525.6245 1641 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2525.6245 (pause 0.43) 2526.0518 1642 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2526.0518 went on for- 2527.2880 1643 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2527.2880 (pause 0.17) 2527.4559 1644 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2527.4559 And I think this how some of the new fellas got into the group. 2530.2256 1645 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2530.2256 (pause 0.25) 2530.4774 1646 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2530.4774 We would wanna play basketball, and we needed five or six or 2533.7730 1647 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2533.7730 (pause 0.46) 2534.2307 1648 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2534.2307 something to 2535.1252 1649 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2535.1252 (pause 0.62) 2535.7431 1650 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2535.7431 get up a game, so we'd go down and help this particular fella 2539.1901 1651 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2539.1901 (pause 0.29) 2539.4792 1652 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2539.4792 um, with his work, so that we could go out and play. Mm. 2543.2807 1653 DCA_int_01 2544.3834 Do you ever see any of these guys /??/? 2546.3838 1654 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2546.7087 Um, one /un/- 2548.1889 1655 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2548.1889 (pause 1.23) 2549.4160 1656 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2549.4160 one fella I still see occasionally. He will drive past, or I'll drive past his house. 2554.6958 1657 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2554.6958 (pause 0.55) 2555.2456 1658 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2555.2456 He's- Matter of fact, he's the uh, 2557.2772 1659 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2557.2772 (pause 0.32) 2557.5949 1660 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2557.5949 godparent 2558.4998 1661 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2558.4998 (pause 0.36) 2558.8594 1662 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2558.8594 of my 2559.6692 1663 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2559.6692 (pause 1.59) 2561.2565 1664 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2561.2565 oldest child, 2562.1095 1665 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2562.1095 (pause 0.57) 2562.6783 1666 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2562.6783 but uh, we don't visit uh, regularly. He- 2566.4401 1667 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2566.4401 (pause 0.81) 2567.2480 1668 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2567.2480 We did for a long time after I was married. We visited, and uh, matter fact we worked part time jobs together. 2573.3727 1669 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2573.3727 (pause 0.29) 2573.6618 1670 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2573.6618 He taught me how to paint when I was um, 2575.7205 1671 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2575.7205 (pause 0.82) 2576.5415 1672 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2576.5415 coming along, and uh, 2578.1476 1673 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2578.1476 (pause 0.69) 2578.8353 1674 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2578.8353 when um- 2579.7822 1675 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2579.7822 (pause 0.31) 2580.0879 1676 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2580.0879 In the early years when I was 2581.6940 1677 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2581.6940 (pause 0.25) 2581.9457 1678 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2581.9457 trying to 2582.7727 1679 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2582.7727 (pause 0.31) 2583.0783 1680 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2583.0783 buy my first home, uh, 2584.7199 1681 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2584.7199 (pause 0.83) 2585.5534 1682 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2585.5534 and I needed money. My wife was home with the children and what have you, and I needed money, and I needed to have some extra money. So I 2592.7314 1683 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2592.7314 (pause 0.32) 2593.0551 1684 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2593.0551 called on him to 2594.3136 1685 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2594.3136 (pause 0.72) 2595.0312 1686 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2595.0312 let me in on some of his extra jobs, and he- 2598.0157 1687 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2598.0157 (pause 0.58) 2598.5910 1688 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2598.5910 We used to work together doing interior decorating, and uh, 2602.1748 1689 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2602.1748 (pause 0.85) 2603.0277 1690 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2603.0277 for a long time. I often kid my 2605.3376 1691 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2605.3376 (pause 0.35) 2605.6890 1692 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2605.6890 family about, uh, 2607.1534 1693 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2607.1534 (pause 0.74) 2607.8966 1694 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2607.8966 their uh- 2608.4681 1695 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2608.4681 (pause 0.38) 2608.8458 1696 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2608.8458 Uncle Russell helping to pay off the- the /second trestle/. 2614.0258 1697 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2614.0258 (pause 0.38) 2614.4094 1698 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2614.4094 But um, 2615.3383 1699 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2615.3383 (pause 0.77) 2616.1114 1700 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2616.1114 he did, uh- and then right now, I guess, uh, you know, if it was any occasion- 2621.8032 1701 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2621.8032 (pause 1.29) 2623.0976 1702 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2623.0976 Well, uh, /unintelligible/ when I was uh, had uh, 2627.7407 1703 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2627.7407 (pause 0.95) 2628.6923 1704 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2628.6923 had illness and death in my family, he 2630.6652 1705 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2630.6652 (pause 0.79) 2631.4503 1706 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2631.4503 um, was one of the first people I 2633.6385 1707 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2633.6385 (pause 1.12) 2634.7569 1708 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2634.7569 uh, got in t- Well, got in touch with me actually, because I didn't contact him, he contacted me. 2639.8265 1709 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2639.8265 (pause 0.98) 2640.8023 1710 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2640.8023 So, we still are friends. 2642.9597 1711 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2642.9597 (pause 0.41) 2643.3672 1712 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2643.3672 But it's just not close as we used to be. 2645.9862 1713 DCA_int_01 2646.5151 Mm-hm. 2646.9161 1714 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2646.8731 Mm-hm. 2647.3346 1715 DCA_int_01 2648.5676 Are there, uh- 2649.0710 1716 DCA_int_01 2649.0710 (pause 0.29) 2649.3647 1717 DCA_int_01 2649.3647 is there a- another group of people 2651.5686 1718 DCA_int_01 2651.5686 (pause 0.72) 2652.2913 1719 DCA_int_01 2652.2913 that you associate with now? /inaudible/. 2654.1460 1720 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2654.6145 Generally, yes. Uh, that uh- 2657.0941 1721 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2657.0941 (pause 0.45) 2657.5435 1722 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2657.5435 I don't uh, 2658.6522 1723 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2658.6522 (pause 0.57) 2659.2227 1724 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2659.2227 uh, have time 2660.7557 1725 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2660.7557 (pause 0.19) 2660.9415 1726 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2660.9415 for a lot of socializing, but there are a number of 2663.8706 1727 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2663.8706 (pause 0.70) 2664.5718 1728 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2664.5718 different groups that I 2666.0999 1729 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2666.0999 (pause 0.49) 2666.5914 1730 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2666.5914 do. 2666.9713 1731 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2666.9713 (pause 0.38) 2667.3537 1732 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2667.3537 We play cards together occasionally. Uh, 2670.3909 1733 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2670.3909 (pause 0.78) 2671.1714 1734 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2671.1714 there's another group that- Sometimes we go to um- 2674.1137 1735 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2674.1137 (pause 0.92) 2675.0339 1736 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2675.0339 We've gone to concerts together. My daughters are both interested in music and uh, 2679.7967 1737 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2679.7967 (pause 0.62) 2680.4201 1738 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2680.4201 we have friends that are interested in music so we 2683.3346 1739 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2683.3346 (pause 0.27) 2683.6051 1740 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2683.6051 go to concerts to- s- concerts together. 2686.0354 1741 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2686.0354 (pause 0.80) 2686.8310 1742 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2686.8310 Um, 2687.3764 1743 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2687.3764 (pause 0.32) 2687.6940 1744 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2687.6940 I have some that like plays, generally. We might get theater tickets 2692.2666 1745 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2692.2666 (pause 0.25) 2692.5123 1746 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2692.5123 and things of the sort. 2693.6292 1747 DCA_int_01 2693.6432 Mm-hm. 2694.0074 1748 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2694.4705 But um, 2695.5134 1749 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2695.5134 (pause 0.68) 2696.1965 1750 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2696.1965 But I have my poker buddies. I several fellas that I've been playing poker with uh for 2700.9255 1751 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2700.9255 (pause 0.78) 2701.7040 1752 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2701.7040 sixteen or seventeen years. We play maybe once every two or three months or something, /uh so/ generally- generally when we play, 2708.2587 1753 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2708.2587 (pause 0.28) 2708.5344 1754 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2708.5344 we might play 2709.4798 1755 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2709.4798 (pause 0.71) 2710.1870 1756 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2710.1870 all night long. 2711.8470 1757 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2711.8470 (pause 0.49) 2712.3324 1758 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2712.3324 [But uh,] 2713.1535 1759 DCA_int_01 2712.3324 [/inaudible/] 2713.1535 1760 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2713.4351 we still do that, and we do it just as regularly. We might not call each other for 2718.3059 1761 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2718.3059 (pause 0.41) 2718.7194 1762 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2718.7194 several 2719.4685 1763 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2719.4685 (pause 1.01) 2720.4813 1764 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2720.4813 months. Then all of a sudden, you know, just get together, 2723.4427 1765 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2723.4427 (pause 0.83) 2724.2734 1766 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2724.2734 /smoke a few/ 2725.1124 1767 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2725.1124 (pause 0.32) 2725.4300 1768 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2725.4300 /whole cartons/. 2727.3657 1769 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2727.3657 (pause 0.37) 2727.7313 1770 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2727.7313 And [we-] 2728.3306 1771 DCA_int_01 2728.0489 [That's great.] 2728.7479 1772 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2728.6542 [Mm-hm.] 2729.0857 1773 DCA_int_01 2730.9854 Are there any caucasians in any of these groups? 2733.4708 1774 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2733.6868 Um, one- 2735.2210 1775 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2735.2210 (pause 1.50) 2736.7192 1776 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2736.7192 uh- Couple- Of course now, in the neighborhood, we have a /number that we go back and forth to/ 2742.6632 1777 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2742.6632 \ea 2743.0882 1778 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2743.0882 each other's houses, but uh, 2744.7243 1779 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2744.7243 (pause 0.35) 2745.0778 1780 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2745.0778 in this particular group, I think we have 2747.1274 1781 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2747.1274 (pause 0.60) 2747.7267 1782 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2747.7267 two- uh, in the overall circle [of group.] 2750.7397 1783 DCA_int_01 2750.3142 [Yes.] 2750.6797 1784 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2751.0393 Yeah, there are a couple o- uh, 2752.5555 1785 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2752.5555 (pause 0.22) 2752.7713 1786 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2752.7713 inter- 2753.2627 1787 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2753.2627 (pause 0.38) 2753.6462 1788 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2753.6462 racial 2754.2515 1789 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2754.2515 (pause 0.26) 2754.5152 1790 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2754.5152 um, marriages that- In both cases, I think 2758.1215 1791 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2758.1215 (pause 0.80) 2758.9185 1792 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2758.9185 white husbands and uh, 2760.5546 1793 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2760.5546 (pause 0.31) 2760.8662 1794 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2760.8662 Negro wives, colored wives. 2762.9817 1795 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2762.9817 (pause 0.61) 2763.5915 1796 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2763.5915 But um, 2764.5264 1797 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2764.5264 (pause 0.85) 2765.3774 1798 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2765.3774 generally- Oh, one or two of my coworkers at work- Matter fact, my present uh, 2771.5022 1799 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2771.5022 (pause 1.19) 2772.6873 1800 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2772.6873 um, director or assistant director 2774.9433 1801 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2774.9433 (pause 0.57) 2775.5160 1802 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2775.5160 um, 2776.0493 1803 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2776.0493 (pause 0.19) 2776.2351 1804 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2776.2351 has been a friend of mine for a number of years. We've been /his (tape distortion?)/- We 2780.3568 1805 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2780.3568 (pause 0.38) 2780.7403 1806 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2780.7403 we have so many things in common. He's only- His birthday is in the same month as my birthday, and uh, 2785.7263 1807 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2785.7263 (pause 0.94) 2786.6673 1808 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2786.6673 uh, his oldest child is four days older than my oldest child. And we joke about this of course, and we have visited back and forth. 2794.6424 1809 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2794.6424 (pause 0.64) 2795.2822 1810 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2795.2822 And um, 2796.2493 1811 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2796.2493 (pause 0.18) 2796.4265 1812 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2796.4265 and there's uh, 2797.3437 1813 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2797.3437 (pause 0.32) 2797.6613 1814 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2797.6613 um, elderly woman that works with me, that uh, 2801.5987 1815 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2801.5987 (pause 0.52) 2802.1186 1816 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2802.1186 I had been to her house. She's been to mine, and we 2805.3188 1817 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2805.3188 (pause 0.86) 2806.1818 1818 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2806.1818 discuss books and 2807.4823 1819 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2807.4823 (pause 0.21) 2807.6920 1820 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2807.6920 concerts and what have you. So, 2809.5603 1821 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2809.5603 (pause 0.35) 2809.9079 1822 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2809.9079 I guess in that 2810.7409 1823 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2810.7409 (pause 0.20) 2810.9387 1824 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2810.9387 area, of it, you- what you would call um- 2813.6415 1825 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2813.6415 (pause 1.35) 2814.9959 1826 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2814.9959 I hadn't really thought about it until this day (laughing) but, until this day [] 2818.6173 1827 DCA_int_01 2818.0328 [It's good when] you don't have [to. ] 2819.6929 1828 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2819.1116 [Uh-huh. Yeah.] Uh, these- This case, uh, we've been knowing each other so long, I don't think that this is 2825.5465 1829 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2826.1997 um, factor, that um, 2828.1594 1830 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2828.1594 (pause 0.44) 2828.5969 1831 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2828.5969 as far as I'm concerned it's not. I don't know how they feel about it, but I- From all the evidence, it's all- 2833.1440 1832 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2833.1440 (pause 0.57) 2833.7133 1833 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2833.7133 outward appearances and all. 2835.0138 1834 DCA_int_01 2835.6910 What about your childhood friends? 2837.6028 1835 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2838.6036 Well, now, uh, on Elm Street, 2841.5915 1836 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2841.5915 (pause 0.12) 2841.7124 1837 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2841.7124 we lived on a um, 2843.1507 1838 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2843.1507 (pause 0.27) 2843.4204 1839 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2843.4204 mixed- racially mixed block. 2844.9905 1840 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2844.9905 (pause 1.00) 2845.9914 1841 DCA_se3_ag3_m_01 2845.9914 And uh, I can remember one particular incident, I don't know whether I should go into it here or not, but (laughing)- 2852.4003 1842 DCA_int_01 2852.3791 /Is that so?/ 2852.7567