Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 0.4298 Now she's 1.0332 2 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 1.0332 (pause 0.43) 1.4661 3 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 1.4661 one of the judges that- 2.3607 4 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 2.3607 (pause 0.84) 3.1976 5 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 3.1976 handed down one of the /cisions/- uh decisions in my favor when the- 6.3721 6 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 6.3721 (pause 0.49) 6.8627 7 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 6.8627 when the- when the fire department and the U.S. civil service lawyers where trying to help my case from out of court. 11.7399 8 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 11.7399 (pause 1.15) 12.8943 9 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 12.8943 Now, she was from Mississippi, 14.3661 10 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 14.3661 (pause 1.75) 16.1158 11 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 16.1158 and 16.5487 12 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 16.5487 (pause 0.35) 16.8950 13 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 16.8950 she had me kind of shaking in my boots for awhile, but she- and what- I guess a judge is a judge when it comes down to a just decision, really, 22.3782 14 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 22.3782 (pause 0.35) 22.7245 15 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 22.7245 you get what you're entitled to. 23.7346 16 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 23.7346 (pause 0.78) 24.5138 17 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 24.5138 And this, and uh, this funny thing, 26.7648 18 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 26.7648 (pause 0.72) 27.4862 19 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 27.4862 when the uh 28.2366 20 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 28.2366 (pause 2.11) 30.3433 21 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 30.3433 the corporation council for the district, was- in the court arguing his- trying to argue his point, 34.2970 22 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 34.2970 (pause 1.38) 35.6722 23 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 35.6722 and telling the judge what she couldn't do- 37.7043 24 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 37.7043 (pause 0.50) 38.2052 25 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 38.2052 in my case. 39.1064 26 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 39.1064 (pause 1.19) 40.3005 27 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 40.3005 And uh 40.9235 28 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 40.9235 (pause 1.50) 42.4262 29 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 42.4262 so she- told him that- 43.6764 30 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 43.6764 (pause 0.40) 44.0763 31 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 44.0763 your motion is denied. 45.6574 32 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 45.6574 (pause 1.10) 46.7540 33 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 46.7540 And when the s- U.S. civil service lawyer- 49.0050 34 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 49.0050 (pause 0.38) 49.3802 35 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 49.3802 asked the question- 50.2171 36 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 50.2171 (pause 0.58) 50.7943 37 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 50.7943 and- he-he- he said to, uh, she- he said to her- 53.6513 38 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 53.6513 (pause 0.23) 53.8822 39 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 53.8822 does that apply to U.S. civil service commission too? 56.0755 40 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 56.0755 (pause 0.23) 56.3064 41 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 56.3064 She said, yes. 56.9990 42 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 56.9990 (pause 0.77) 57.7710 43 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 57.7710 That was end of that. 58.5862 44 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 58.5862 (pause 0.88) 59.4701 45 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 59.4701 So then the- 60.0762 46 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 60.0762 (pause 0.26) 60.3359 47 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 60.3359 soon after that it went to trial, and I had judge- judge /RD-NAME-1/. 63.7413 48 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 63.7413 (pause 1.39) 65.1265 49 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 65.1265 Judge- 65.5594 50 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 65.5594 (pause 3.12) 68.6762 51 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 68.6762 believe the /?/, believe the /?/ his name was. 70.9849 52 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 70.9849 (pause 0.23) 71.2158 53 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 71.2158 Well, he's deceased now. 72.3612 54 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 72.3612 (pause 0.47) 72.8319 55 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 72.8319 and he- he- he uh, he heard the case as a trial, and he- /he hand down/ the decision in my favor. 77.9399 56 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 77.9399 (pause 3.00) 80.9413 57 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 80.9413 So uh, then when my name came up for Battalion Chief, 83.9434 58 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 83.9434 (pause 0.84) 84.7852 59 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 84.7852 then they s- 85.1151 60 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 85.1151 (pause 0.13) 85.2483 61 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 85.2483 s- 85.4714 62 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 85.4714 (pause 0.13) 85.6057 63 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 85.6057 start a few more tricks now. Oh, they did everything. I mean went to promotion board, and- 89.6748 64 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 89.6748 (pause 0.23) 89.9057 65 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 89.9057 lied one to- I don't s- this fire chief we have right now, 92.9967 66 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 92.9967 (pause 0.40) 93.3977 67 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 93.3977 um, he's 93.9748 68 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 93.9748 (pause 0.17) 94.1480 69 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 94.1480 uh 94.6386 70 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 94.6386 (pause 0.20) 94.8406 71 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 94.8406 he permitted one of the men to testify against me who was never my superior officer. 98.7077 72 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 98.7077 (pause 0.32) 99.0252 73 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 99.0252 that's one thing I got against him here, 100.4393 74 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 100.4393 (pause 0.12) 100.5547 75 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 100.5547 and another one- 101.3050 76 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 101.3050 (pause 0.40) 101.7091 77 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 101.7091 uh, they had- we got- I had a white fellow in my command. I was a captain of truck sixteen over here on Pennsylvania Avenue. 106.7594 78 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 106.7594 (pause 0.54) 107.2970 79 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 107.2970 I was Captain there- 108.5091 80 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 108.5091 (pause 0.39) 108.9008 81 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 108.9008 about uh- 109.6634 82 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 109.6634 (pause 1.56) 111.2218 83 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 111.2218 two-two- about three years before I was promoted to a Battalion Chief, 114.2520 84 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 114.2520 (pause 0.84) 115.0907 85 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 115.0907 and uh I had a white boy in my company, under my command, who wasn't studying his 119.7930 86 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 119.7930 (pause 0.98) 120.7742 87 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 120.7742 probation. He's supposed to study, you know. 122.3903 88 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 122.3903 (pause 0.43) 122.8223 89 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 122.8223 That's the course that a fireman studies when he first comes in, and he wasn't doing so well. 127.2963 90 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 127.2963 (pause 0.63) 127.9312 91 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 127.9312 So I went on vacation 129.5394 92 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 129.5394 (pause 1.05) 130.5862 93 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 130.5862 uh 130.9874 94 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 130.9874 (pause 1.71) 132.6929 95 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 132.6929 with my wife 133.6453 96 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 133.6453 (pause 1.15) 134.7917 97 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 134.7917 in Africa. She was teaching a summer in Africa. 136.7396 98 DCA_int_01 136.9248 Oh. 137.2910 99 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 137.7326 And uh in nineteen sixty-three, 139.9134 100 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 139.9134 (pause 1.02) 140.9359 101 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 140.9359 and 141.7440 102 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 141.7440 (pause 1.10) 142.8406 103 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 142.8406 so when I came back- 144.0238 104 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 144.0238 (pause 0.29) 144.3124 105 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 144.3124 this chief over here, who was my chief too, 146.7821 106 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 146.7821 (pause 1.28) 148.0649 107 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 148.0649 uh 148.4690 108 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 148.4690 (pause 0.15) 148.6205 109 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 148.6205 sent a report, a favorable report on him 150.7448 110 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 150.7448 (pause 0.26) 151.0012 111 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 151.0012 for his three months. 151.8778 112 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 151.8778 (pause 0.17) 152.0504 113 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 152.0504 See the examine each fireman every three months you see, a new man. 155.3051 114 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 155.3051 (pause 0.42) 155.7299 115 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 155.7299 Well, I- when I was away, the three months came around, he examined himself, and he sent in a report on him that was favorable. 161.6998 116 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 161.6998 (pause 0.61) 162.3123 117 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 162.3123 So, when I came back from my 163.4826 118 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 163.4826 (pause 0.25) 163.7313 119 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 163.7313 uh, vacation 164.7925 120 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 164.7925 (pause 0.63) 165.4265 121 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 165.4265 in Africa, and in- in London 167.2271 122 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 167.2271 (pause 0.59) 167.8164 123 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 167.8164 uh- 168.1994 124 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 168.1994 (pause 1.15) 169.3513 125 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 169.3513 he told me that uh, he said, Captain, I've uh 172.1507 126 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 172.1507 (pause 1.27) 173.4205 127 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 173.4205 uh sent in uh 174.5714 128 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 174.5714 (pause 1.10) 175.6690 129 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 175.6690 a form on /RD-NAME-1/- a f- a- a form on /RD-NAME-1/. 179.4715 130 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 179.4715 (pause 0.43) 179.9044 131 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 179.9044 His name was /RD-NAME-1/, 180.8279 132 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 180.8279 (pause 0.56) 181.3843 133 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 181.3843 and uh, 181.9141 134 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 181.9141 (pause 0.67) 182.5883 135 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 182.5883 and I gave him good all the way through. 184.6084 136 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 184.6084 (pause 0.87) 185.4742 137 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 185.4742 said, you- d- you'd do the same thing. I said, sure. 187.3423 138 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 187.3423 (pause 0.32) 187.6637 139 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 187.6637 I figure he's a chief, he should- 188.8280 140 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 188.8280 (pause 0.51) 189.3413 141 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 189.3413 I wasn't there to- da- on his, uh, examination date, so he- 192.3715 142 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 192.3715 (pause 0.63) 193.0064 143 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 193.0064 couldn't wait for me, so he examined him, 194.7379 144 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 194.7379 (pause 0.38) 195.1131 145 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 195.1131 and he sent the report in. So, I just agreed with him, send the report in. 198.4896 146 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 198.4896 (pause 0.72) 199.2111 147 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 199.2111 Maybe I shoulda just chest- checked it myself, but I didn't do it. Now, the fourth month comes up- 202.7607 148 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 202.7607 (pause 0.45) 203.2118 149 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 203.2118 he didn't know anything hardly. 204.4349 150 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 204.4349 (pause 0.51) 204.9442 151 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 204.9442 So I sent a report on- on- I sent in a report uh 209.0347 152 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 209.0347 (pause 0.79) 209.8205 153 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 209.8205 running- er, grading him down you see. 211.8550 154 DCA_int_01 211.9476 Uh-huh. 212.3234 155 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 212.3889 He knew it. 212.8726 156 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 212.8726 (pause 1.19) 214.0638 157 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 214.0638 Uh, and uh uh so, uh 215.6129 158 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 215.6129 (pause 0.33) 215.9386 159 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 215.9386 we tried to bring- bring him up, but I couldn't bring him up, you see. So the fifth month, he decided to res- to retire. 220.9889 160 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 220.9889 (pause 0.96) 221.9470 161 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 221.9470 Well this Captain- this Chief went to the promotion board, 224.6378 162 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 224.6378 (pause 0.20) 224.8380 163 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 224.8380 went up for Battalion Chief, and told 226.5420 164 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 226.5420 (pause 0.25) 226.7967 165 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 226.7967 that I'm the one who sent that- sent it- sent the good report in on-on a man when he was failing- was failing, 231.0598 166 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 231.0598 (pause 0.97) 232.0263 167 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 232.0263 you see. 232.4431 168 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 232.4431 (pause 0.74) 233.1869 169 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 233.1869 And so uh, 233.9753 170 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 233.9753 (pause 0.57) 234.5433 171 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 234.5433 I mean so- /yes he did that/. 236.7397 172 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 236.7397 (pause 0.41) 237.1520 173 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 237.1520 Try to get me to stop being a Battalion Chief. 238.9895 174 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 238.9895 (pause 0.55) 239.5359 175 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 239.5359 And so, but uh, I got the promo- finally got the promotion, but I had a lot of trouble getting it. 243.4896 176 DCA_int_01 243.6127 Uh. 243.9747 177 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 244.1440 I had to go through the- uh I applied to the Human Relations Councils and every- and everything. Then the- then the 248.8211 178 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 248.8211 (pause 0.38) 249.2031 179 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 249.2031 Commissioner /RD-NAME-3/ had trouble then 251.1243 180 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 251.1243 (pause 0.55) 251.6762 181 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 251.6762 uh, 252.1391 182 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 252.1391 (pause 0.35) 252.4842 183 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 252.4842 even though the- 253.1111 184 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 253.1111 (pause 0.50) 253.6097 185 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 253.6097 the uh- 254.4178 186 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 254.4178 (pause 0.52) 254.9372 187 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 254.9372 examination 255.9564 188 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 255.9564 (pause 0.24) 256.1929 189 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 256.1929 of the case by the 257.2395 190 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 257.2395 (pause 0.20) 257.4373 191 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 257.4373 Council of Human Relations 258.5215 192 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 258.5215 (pause 0.40) 258.9198 193 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 258.9198 showed 259.5836 194 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 259.5836 (pause 0.38) 259.9587 195 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 259.9587 that there was 260.7627 196 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 260.7627 (pause 0.89) 261.6527 197 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 261.6527 some ulterior motives behind 263.2688 198 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 263.2688 (pause 0.38) 263.6440 199 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 263.6440 my- my getting the promotion, 265.1735 200 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 265.1735 (pause 0.66) 265.8373 201 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 265.8373 you see. Then the- 267.5111 202 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 267.5111 (pause 0.49) 268.0017 203 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 268.0017 uh, /RD-NAME-3/ had trouble then with 269.6751 204 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 269.6751 (pause 0.47) 270.1476 205 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 270.1476 Chief /RD-NAME-3/. 270.9365 206 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 270.9365 (pause 1.25) 272.1862 207 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 272.1862 changing his stand, but uh 273.4849 208 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 273.4849 (pause 0.95) 274.4372 209 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 274.4372 a case there, you know, where /RD-NAME-3/ told /RD-NAME-3/, well un-unless you make this /better/, there will be no more promotions. 279.0836 210 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 279.0836 (pause 1.20) 280.2876 211 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 280.2876 And so I was made the- but then they got at- but where they got at- um- 284.7030 212 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 284.7030 (pause 0.66) 285.3586 213 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 285.3586 back at me then was 286.4381 214 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 286.4381 (pause 0.29) 286.7232 215 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 286.7232 when I got promoted to a Battalion Chief, 288.4271 216 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 288.4271 (pause 0.25) 288.6818 217 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 288.6818 they removed me from the fire fighting division, 290.5435 218 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 290.5435 (pause 0.66) 291.2071 219 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 291.2071 and put me behind a desk, 292.5815 220 DCA_int_01 292.9278 /Oh/. 293.2164 221 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 293.1171 see. 293.4762 222 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 294.9768 So uh 295.9292 223 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 295.9292 (pause 1.75) 297.6801 224 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 297.6801 but I got the promotion. 298.6563 225 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 298.6563 (pause 0.47) 299.1259 226 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 299.1259 I'm not worried about it. I was- I was Acting Battalion Chief for- 301.6910 227 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 301.6910 (pause 0.25) 301.9397 228 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 301.9397 for two years before I was promoted to a Battalion Chief. I mean I had plenty of experience at it, so it was nothing- wasn't anything new to it- new to me in uh being promoted to a Battalion Chief. 309.8633 229 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 309.8633 (pause 0.72) 310.5822 230 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 310.5822 Cause I had the- 311.1305 231 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 311.1305 (pause 0.93) 312.0562 232 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 312.0562 I've had lot of experience out of it. 313.6124 233 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 313.6124 (pause 0.92) 314.5359 234 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 314.5359 And so, as a matter of fact I think I got more experience out of being an Acting Battalion Chief then I 318.8724 235 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 318.8724 (pause 0.33) 319.2059 236 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 319.2059 would have 319.6952 237 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 319.6952 (pause 0.20) 319.8930 238 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 319.8930 being a Battalion Chief, 321.1446 239 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 321.1446 (pause 0.61) 321.7507 240 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 321.7507 you see. 322.5587 241 DCA_int_01 323.4701 Is it easier now for a- for a Negro to get your promotion because what- what you went through to get [that /inaudible/?] 330.1048 242 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 329.4440 [I think that] the- well once the ice is broken, it's usually easier afterwards, you see. 332.8169 243 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 333.5708 And but of course, uh I wouldn't put it- I wouldn't, 336.3527 244 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 336.3527 (pause 0.19) 336.5380 245 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 336.5380 uh 336.9168 246 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 336.9168 (pause 0.72) 337.6399 247 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 337.6399 uh 338.2880 248 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 338.2880 (pause 0.88) 339.1695 249 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 339.1695 I don't think those colored man should be too naive about 341.6730 250 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 341.6730 (pause 0.38) 342.0551 251 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 342.0551 what's happening. They should keep them s- keep the 343.7869 252 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 343.7869 (pause 0.69) 344.4795 253 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 344.4795 uh 345.2010 254 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 345.2010 (pause 1.33) 346.5342 255 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 346.5342 their 347.0315 256 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 347.0315 (pause 0.24) 347.2741 257 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 347.2741 minds sharpened as far as the books are concerned, 349.3278 258 DCA_int_01 349.2883 Mm-hm. 349.6923 259 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 349.6634 and uh 350.2695 260 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 350.7024 don't 351.1930 261 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 351.1930 (pause 0.55) 351.7413 262 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 351.7413 h- let them get any charges against them, 353.2755 263 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 353.2755 (pause 0.26) 353.5361 264 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 353.5361 being late, or 354.4821 265 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 354.4821 (pause 1.15) 355.6275 266 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 355.6275 uh, or- 356.7514 267 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 356.7514 (pause 1.33) 358.0816 268 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 358.0816 not 358.3341 269 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 358.3341 (pause 0.28) 358.6162 270 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 358.6162 taking their positions at fires, and things like that, you see. 360.9850 271 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 360.9850 (pause 1.17) 362.1511 272 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 362.1511 Whites have been to fires, heck with white fireman- 364.2967 273 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 364.2967 (pause 0.75) 365.0453 274 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 365.0453 You know when you go to a fire 366.4017 275 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 366.4017 (pause 0.55) 366.9500 276 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 366.9500 their 367.3252 277 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 367.3252 (pause 0.55) 367.8728 278 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 367.8728 companies the first- 368.9983 279 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 368.9983 (pause 0.61) 369.6044 280 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 369.6044 the engine companies, first, second, and third, 371.7042 281 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 371.7042 (pause 0.41) 372.1151 282 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 372.1151 in that order, 372.7439 283 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 372.7439 (pause 0.69) 373.4343 284 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 373.4343 that they respond to a- 374.4822 285 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 374.4822 (pause 1.40) 375.8831 286 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 375.8831 a house that's burning. 376.7612 287 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 376.7612 (pause 0.45) 377.2090 288 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 377.2090 The first and third- 378.3015 289 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 378.3015 (pause 0.47) 378.7708 290 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 378.7708 are suppose to respond to the front of the building. 380.7044 291 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 380.7044 (pause 0.52) 381.2238 292 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 381.2238 The second, fourth, to the rear of a building, 382.9842 293 DCA_int_01 383.4252 Mm. 383.6988 294 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 384.6292 and their first truck 385.6846 295 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 385.6846 (pause 0.32) 386.0088 296 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 386.0088 company, that's the long /arrow/ trucks, 387.6359 297 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 387.6359 (pause 0.29) 387.9209 298 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 387.9209 goes to the front, and the second one goes to the rear, 390.2313 299 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 390.2313 (pause 0.40) 390.6319 300 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 390.6319 to ladder the- 391.3534 301 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 391.3534 (pause 0.58) 391.9305 302 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 391.9305 the building and do rescue work. 393.4583 303 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 393.4583 (pause 1.09) 394.5485 304 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 394.5485 Well, 394.8179 305 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 394.8179 (pause 0.23) 395.0494 306 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 395.0494 heck I've seen plenty of white fellows go to a house 397.5487 307 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 397.5487 (pause 0.38) 397.9238 308 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 397.9238 that was burning, never gonna take their positions like they should do it. 400.3623 309 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 400.3623 (pause 0.25) 400.6110 310 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 400.6110 And /never said anything/- 401.3932 311 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 401.3932 (pause 0.16) 401.5509 312 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 401.5509 nothing said about it. 402.3332 313 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 402.3332 (pause 0.59) 402.9192 314 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 402.9192 And I've seen those colored fellas do something like that, and then they chew them out for it. 406.0909 315 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 406.0909 (pause 1.24) 407.3293 316 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 407.3293 Oh yes, I mean- 408.1111 317 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 408.1111 (pause 0.45) 408.5626 318 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 408.5626 prejudice is one of those things that- it-it's here to stay. And it's a lot of it in 412.3090 319 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 412.3090 (pause 0.48) 412.7896 320 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 412.7896 educational fields too 414.1601 321 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 414.1601 (pause 0.53) 414.6943 322 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 414.6943 that uh 415.3292 323 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 415.3292 (pause 1.82) 417.1493 324 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 417.1493 even s- a lot of /us/- being done 419.2145 325 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 419.2145 (pause 0.24) 419.4544 326 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 419.4544 for the good 420.1363 327 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 420.1363 (pause 0.25) 420.3847 328 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 420.3847 of the Negro, 421.1875 329 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 421.1875 (pause 1.56) 422.7459 330 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 422.7459 back in a white man's head who's doing this, 424.8287 331 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 424.8287 (pause 0.89) 425.7184 332 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 425.7184 there's something 426.4976 333 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 426.4976 (pause 0.72) 427.2191 334 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 427.2191 that he doesn't- is hidden to him even, 429.1013 335 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 429.1013 (pause 0.57) 429.6721 336 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 429.6721 that he doesn't even see. 431.0926 337 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 431.0926 (pause 0.32) 431.4080 338 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 431.4080 Here's something like this. 432.6157 339 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 432.6157 (pause 1.43) 434.0480 340 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 434.0480 You- 434.3240 341 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 434.3240 (pause 0.21) 434.5345 342 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 434.5345 you get- 434.9412 343 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 434.9412 (pause 0.52) 435.4566 344 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 435.4566 some of these kids used to white kids from colleges 437.6882 345 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 437.6882 (pause 0.90) 438.5871 346 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 438.5871 that are coming in to help 440.0772 347 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 440.0772 (pause 1.66) 441.7347 348 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 441.7347 underprivileged children, you see. 443.0775 349 DCA_int_01 443.1574 Mm. 443.3763 350 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 444.5255 But 444.7233 351 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 444.7233 (pause 0.98) 445.6989 352 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 445.6989 as long as they are helping underprivileged children, 448.0446 353 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 448.0446 (pause 1.85) 449.8916 354 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 449.8916 the underprivileged child 451.2479 355 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 451.2479 (pause 0.49) 451.7385 356 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 451.7385 is being discriminated against. 452.9218 357 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 452.9218 (pause 0.40) 453.3258 358 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 453.3258 He needs something 454.4186 359 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 454.4186 (pause 0.26) 454.6794 360 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 454.6794 that the p- child who is not underprivileged doesn't need. 457.0775 361 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 457.0775 (pause 0.80) 457.8748 362 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 457.8748 You see what I mean? 458.4722 363 DCA_int_01 458.5386 Uh-huh. 459.0110 364 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 459.2889 So it's all- it's- it's- it's- it's a thing that I'm trying to help you out, 462.3768 365 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 462.3768 (pause 1.04) 463.4157 366 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 463.4157 but I'm holding you down just so I can help you out. 465.1500 367 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 465.1500 (pause 0.23) 465.3804 368 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 465.3804 You see what I mean? 466.0535 369 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 466.0535 (pause 0.26) 466.3143 370 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 466.3143 I mean it's one of those fine things that- 468.1456 371 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 468.1456 (pause 0.27) 468.4169 372 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 468.4169 that uh, even though you're trying to do some good, 470.6358 373 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 470.6358 (pause 0.39) 471.0225 374 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 471.0225 you- you- it- it- it uh 472.4821 375 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 472.4821 (pause 0.34) 472.8238 376 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 472.8238 473.6607 377 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 473.6607 (pause 0.25) 473.9133 378 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 473.9133 it- 474.0817 379 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 474.0817 (pause 0.18) 474.2585 380 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 474.2585 it uh- 474.9362 381 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 474.9362 (pause 1.54) 476.4726 382 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 476.4726 uh- 477.1251 383 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 477.1251 (pause 1.59) 478.7110 384 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 478.7110 it- it holds you- 480.0936 385 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 480.0936 (pause 0.53) 480.6273 386 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 480.6273 now in my church, 481.4156 387 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 481.4156 (pause 0.29) 481.7067 388 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 481.7067 they have a- 482.3313 389 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 482.3313 (pause 1.25) 483.5775 390 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 483.5775 something's happening. What is /?? church/? 485.3667 391 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 485.3667 (pause 1.61) 486.9815 392 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 486.9815 I mean, you- you- you- you're doing a good job. You're c- conscience- conscience- conscientious about it, 491.8587 393 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 491.8587 (pause 1.67) 493.5325 394 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 493.5325 but as long as you are to help a person in that situation, 496.2164 395 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 496.2164 (pause 1.18) 497.3975 396 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 497.3975 there's- 497.8241 397 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 497.8241 (pause 1.05) 498.8714 398 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 498.8714 you're holding- 500.3346 399 DCA_int_01 500.5414 Yeah. 500.8264 400 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 500.8144 holding /them a [line/, you see. You see what I mean?] 502.5425 401 DCA_int_01 501.4146 [/inaudible/] 502.3364 402 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 502.8518 I mean, 503.1914 403 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 503.1914 (pause 0.22) 503.4097 404 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 503.4097 uh- but uh- but it- you- your intentions are very good. 506.1340 405 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 506.1340 (pause 0.76) 506.8959 406 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 506.8959 Uh, but now uh- they use that in ex- they /are less-/ they apply to- they speak of- of the white liberals. 513.6594 407 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 513.6594 (pause 1.04) 514.7033 408 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 514.7033 Well heck if you didn't have white liberals, /where would the Negro begin/. 516.6385 409 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 516.6385 (pause 0.92) 517.5620 410 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 517.5620 You got to have it. 518.2079 411 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 518.2079 (pause 0.39) 518.6020 412 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 518.6020 You can't do without it. 519.5056 413 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 519.5056 (pause 1.35) 520.8520 414 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 520.8520 /A nickel can't do where/ white folks help. 522.5546 415 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 522.5546 (pause 1.13) 523.6798 416 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 523.6798 Let them try. 524.2270 417 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 524.2270 (pause 0.38) 524.6036 418 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 524.6036 You kn- is- up to Howard University the other day, and we were talking about /unintelligible/, 527.7204 419 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 527.7204 (pause 0.60) 528.3164 420 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 528.3164 about uh 528.8647 421 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 528.8647 (pause 2.00) 530.8600 422 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 530.8600 uh 531.3062 423 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 531.3062 (pause 0.73) 532.0392 424 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 532.0392 you- you just can't get there. You can't- you don't have the organization to get to places, you know. 536.4835 425 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 536.4835 (pause 0.43) 536.9164 426 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 536.9164 Maybe I'm saying too much for this thing here, I don't know uh- 539.1963 427 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 539.1963 (pause 0.24) 539.4366 428 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 539.4366 539.9417 429 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 539.9417 (pause 0.21) 540.1486 430 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 540.1486 but the thing of it [is- it- it-] 542.0244 431 DCA_int_01 540.9855 [/inaudible/] 541.9976 432 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 542.3400 it uh- 542.8956 433 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 542.8956 (pause 0.78) 543.6744 434 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 543.6744 it- 543.9143 435 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 543.9143 (pause 0.42) 544.3332 436 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 544.3332 I don't know. You just can't- don't have a- 546.4976 437 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 546.4976 (pause 2.17) 548.6657 438 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 548.6657 we can try, 549.5328 439 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 549.5328 (pause 1.01) 550.5379 440 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 550.5379 but we got to have- 551.6056 441 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 551.6056 (pause 1.15) 552.7600 442 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 552.7600 you see, 553.3044 443 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 553.3044 (pause 0.24) 553.5401 444 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 553.5401 we don't control 554.7345 445 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 554.7345 (pause 4.13) 558.8629 446 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 558.8629 the econo- the uh 560.0668 447 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 560.0668 (pause 1.18) 561.2454 448 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 561.2454 e- economics 562.2346 449 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 562.2346 (pause 0.20) 562.4326 450 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 562.4326 of this country, 563.1784 451 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 563.1784 (pause 0.58) 563.7606 452 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 563.7606 you see. 564.1851 453 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 564.1851 (pause 1.05) 565.2348 454 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 565.2348 And we don't have a lot of c- we don't- how much- how much- 567.7244 455 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 567.7244 (pause 1.93) 569.6580 456 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 569.6580 share- how many shares of stock do you suppose I own in 571.5084 457 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 571.5084 (pause 0.21) 571.7206 458 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 571.7206 some of these corporations right now? Little or none, none. 573.8249 459 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 573.8249 (pause 0.57) 574.3909 460 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 574.3909 We own some, uh, my wife owns some in one of the corporations, but it- it's small. 577.9117 461 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 577.9117 (pause 0.72) 578.6332 462 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 578.6332 I mean, you got to get economic and political power, you got- that's what you need. 582.3406 463 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 582.3406 (pause 0.27) 582.6135 464 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 582.6135 Got to have it. 583.0016 465 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 583.0016 (pause 1.89) 584.8956 466 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 584.8956 And so uh, 585.5504 467 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 585.5504 (pause 2.45) 587.9996 468 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 587.9996 I don't know. 588.5479 469 DCA_int_01 591.0010 What do you do on Christmas 592.3624 470 DCA_int_01 592.3624 (pause 1.50) 593.8602 471 DCA_int_01 593.8602 with your family? 594.7815 472 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 595.2432 Christmas? 595.6761 473 DCA_int_01 595.6761 Yeah, how do you feel about celebrating Christmas? 597.8983 474 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 597.8983 Well the- 598.4776 475 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 599.0425 our- our celebration of Christmas is quite conventional. 601.6944 476 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 601.6944 (pause 1.34) 603.0352 477 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 603.0352 Uh, we 604.0043 478 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 604.0043 (pause 3.19) 607.1908 479 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 607.1908 uh 608.1144 480 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 608.1144 (pause 1.04) 609.1533 481 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 609.1533 have a Christmas tree, and we- of course we 611.3184 482 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 611.3184 (pause 0.36) 611.6822 483 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 611.6822 look forward to having a turkey at Christmas time, exchanging gifts, 614.7231 484 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 614.7231 (pause 1.24) 615.9611 485 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 615.9611 the regular 616.6341 486 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 616.6341 (pause 0.60) 617.2365 487 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 617.2365 American way of ex- of uh 618.7761 488 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 618.7761 (pause 0.66) 619.4370 489 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 619.4370 celebrating Christmas. 620.4146 490 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 620.4146 (pause 0.92) 621.3381 491 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 621.3381 We attend church on Christmas day. 623.1496 492 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 623.1496 (pause 0.95) 624.0999 493 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 624.0999 We haven't been going to the Midnight Mass 625.6237 494 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 625.6237 (pause 1.49) 627.1099 495 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 627.1099 lately, 627.6582 496 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 627.6582 (pause 1.67) 629.3320 497 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 629.3320 but uh, 630.0158 498 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 630.0158 (pause 0.29) 630.3068 499 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 630.3068 that's about the size of it. 631.3196 500 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 631.3196 (pause 0.32) 631.6349 501 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 631.6349 Exchange gifts, 632.4882 502 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 632.4882 (pause 0.54) 633.0260 503 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 633.0260 tree. 633.5195 504 DCA_int_01 637.7488 This might sound like a strange question, but 639.7746 505 DCA_int_01 639.7746 (pause 0.34) 640.1142 506 DCA_int_01 640.1142 maybe not to a former fireman. Was there- were you ever in a situation where you thought you might be killed, or might die? 645.4600 507 DCA_int_01 645.4600 (pause 2.14) 647.6009 508 DCA_int_01 647.6009 Or thought this was it? 648.6490 509 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 652.0281 No. 652.6112 510 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 652.6112 (pause 1.33) 653.9387 511 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 653.9387 I don't think so. I've had- I've been in a lot of dangerous situations. Not-not to die, 658.0367 512 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 658.0367 (pause 0.46) 658.4985 513 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 658.4985 but to get injured seriously, or to get trapped- I've been trapped in a building, 662.1058 514 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 662.1058 (pause 1.24) 663.3451 515 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 663.3451 uh, but it didn't last very long. 665.0459 516 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 665.0459 (pause 1.14) 666.1906 517 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 666.1906 Uh- 666.5273 518 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 666.5273 (pause 0.39) 666.9188 519 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 666.9188 I always took the precautions 669.0646 520 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 669.0646 (pause 1.02) 670.0874 521 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 670.0874 in uh, going to a fire. For instance like uh- 672.8193 522 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 672.8193 (pause 0.90) 673.7240 523 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 673.7240 674.1316 524 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 674.1316 (pause 3.48) 677.6086 525 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 677.6086 when a man goes into a fire, he should not 679.6322 526 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 679.6322 (pause 2.43) 682.0642 527 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 682.0642 leave- 682.6082 528 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 682.6082 (pause 0.37) 682.9745 529 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 682.9745 uh, get away from his hose line, you see. I was always with the engine company for the most part, 686.6528 530 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 686.6528 (pause 0.17) 686.8260 531 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 686.8260 you see. 687.2375 532 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 687.2375 (pause 0.75) 687.9826 533 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 687.9826 And uh 688.9086 534 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 688.9086 (pause 0.97) 689.8758 535 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 689.8758 you- you don't get away from your hose line. 692.1542 536 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 692.1542 (pause 0.58) 692.7314 537 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 692.7314 You always- 693.5106 538 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 693.5106 (pause 0.37) 693.8778 539 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 693.8778 that- for that's your- your avenue of escape, you see. 696.6181 540 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 696.6181 (pause 0.44) 697.0602 541 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 697.0602 Well the way you came in, 698.2893 542 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 698.2893 (pause 0.43) 698.7148 543 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 698.7148 is where the- 699.3090 544 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 699.3090 (pause 0.19) 699.5031 545 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 699.5031 the hose line runs right along with you. 701.2413 546 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 701.2413 (pause 0.25) 701.4899 547 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 701.4899 You don't get up, and walk away another part of a building, leave it sitting on the floor. 704.3533 548 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 704.3533 (pause 0.99) 705.3428 549 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 705.3428 If you go somewhere else you carry the line with you, unless there's not a light in there. 708.1132 550 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 708.1132 (pause 0.37) 708.4784 551 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 708.4784 You go into a dark building at night, has a /lot of uh/ doors and closets and windows and whatnot- 712.4442 552 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 712.4442 (pause 0.38) 712.8263 553 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 712.8263 you- uh not windows, doors and closets 714.8577 554 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 714.8577 (pause 0.89) 715.7498 555 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 715.7498 and cubby holes, 716.7306 556 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 716.7306 (pause 1.18) 717.9153 557 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 717.9153 you get turned around in there, 719.5431 558 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 719.5431 (pause 0.21) 719.7493 559 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 719.7493 and forget where you came in. 721.1016 560 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 721.1016 (pause 0.24) 721.3381 561 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 721.3381 A dark building at nights, of course, 722.8238 562 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 722.8238 (pause 0.34) 723.1634 563 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 723.1634 you get lost in there, and you can get trapped. 724.9280 564 DCA_int_01 725.0683 Mm. 725.3251 565 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 725.4227 I- /cause/ I was be c- uh be careful about that. I was always careful about that, you see. 728.9724 566 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 728.9724 (pause 0.79) 729.7607 567 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 729.7607 And uh, 730.2701 568 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 730.2701 (pause 0.44) 730.7120 569 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 730.7120 you always follow the hose line back to the exit. 732.7818 570 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 732.7818 (pause 1.56) 734.3401 571 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 734.3401 And- but usually when I went to a building at nights, 737.7491 572 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 737.7491 (pause 0.24) 737.9919 573 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 737.9919 or day either, when there's a lot of fire in there. I-I go in for fire- for the fire, 741.7858 574 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 741.7858 (pause 0.49) 742.2764 575 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 742.2764 and I put /unintelligible/ I put the fire out, 744.4965 576 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 744.4965 (pause 0.29) 744.7876 577 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 744.7876 you see. 745.3932 578 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 745.3932 (pause 0.29) 745.6817 579 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 745.6817 Now of course, the fires can go around behind you. That's the bad part about it. 748.7119 580 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 748.7119 (pause 0.54) 749.2502 581 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 749.2502 The fire goes behind you just turn your head around and /sweep- swipe the fire behind you/. /You ought to/ put it out. 753.5309 582 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 753.5309 (pause 0.16) 753.6922 583 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 753.6922 It definitely will put it out- put it out, you see. 755.5574 584 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 755.5574 (pause 0.62) 756.1820 585 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 756.1820 Now if you swish it 756.9161 586 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 756.9161 (pause 0.52) 757.4391 587 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 757.4391 like that, you see. Don't 758.5290 588 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 758.5290 (pause 0.62) 759.1482 589 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 759.1482 /direct/ a stream right on the water- on the fire, you 761.4939 590 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 761.4939 (pause 0.37) 761.8605 591 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 761.8605 sweep it, you see. 762.8477 592 DCA_int_01 762.8422 Oh. 763.1307 593 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 763.9388 Smother it like. 764.8911 594 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 764.8911 (pause 0.81) 765.6992 595 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 765.6992 And so I never had trouble- 767.4255 596 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 767.4255 (pause 0.21) 767.6356 597 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 767.6356 uh- uh, a situation where 769.7128 598 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 769.7128 (pause 1.16) 770.8738 599 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 770.8738 uh, 771.4084 600 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 771.4084 (pause 2.53) 773.9382 601 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 773.9382 I was trapped and couldn't get out. 775.3902 602 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 775.3902 (pause 0.35) 775.7372 603 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 775.7372 I was chased out of a room, out of a window one time at a fire. 778.9171 604 DCA_int_01 779.1021 Mm. 779.2915 605 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 780.3973 Well this time I had left the hose, but it was in the daytime, I could see what I was doing. It was one morning, about five thirty in the morning, 786.1854 606 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 786.1854 (pause 0.52) 786.7077 607 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 786.7077 this house caught on fire and the- 788.1879 608 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 788.1879 (pause 0.39) 788.5774 609 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 788.5774 I put the line down to p- throw the mattress out of the window. 791.1223 610 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 791.1223 (pause 0.86) 791.9793 611 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 791.9793 The whole room was burning, you see, but I w- but I wanted to throw the mattress out of the window. So, 796.3454 612 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 796.3454 (pause 0.34) 796.6875 613 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 796.6875 in doing so, uh, 798.2857 614 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 798.2857 (pause 2.19) 800.4760 615 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 800.4760 the whole room fill up- flared up behind me. 802.5231 616 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 802.5231 (pause 0.76) 803.2806 617 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 803.2806 So, 804.3194 618 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 804.3194 (pause 0.24) 804.5552 619 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 804.5552 but the- so happened that the, uh, the sergeant was right behind me. 808.1627 620 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 808.1627 (pause 1.27) 809.4352 621 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 809.4352 And then I headed for the window- 811.0829 622 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 811.0829 (pause 0.59) 811.6685 623 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 811.6685 See I picked the mattress up, and there was- 813.4896 624 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 813.4896 (pause 0.22) 813.7127 625 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 813.7127 and it just went up in a- 814.6809 626 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 814.6809 (pause 1.02) 815.6995 627 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 815.6995 big flame 816.3150 628 DCA_int_01 816.3948 Mm. 816.6545 629 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 816.6473 and it cut me off 817.5173 630 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 818.6021 from my hose line, you see. Because the window was next to me, so I headed for the window. 821.6924 631 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 821.6924 (pause 0.81) 822.5008 632 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 822.5008 I couldn't get to the- 823.3334 633 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 823.3334 (pause 0.56) 823.8983 634 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 823.8983 to the uh- 824.5280 635 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 824.5280 (pause 0.77) 825.2948 636 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 825.2948 It-it got pretty hot in there that particular morning. It was a small room, but I couldn't- it was - it was a- 829.8203 637 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 829.8203 (pause 0.28) 830.0989 638 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 830.0989 The fire was pretty near the hose line, I couldn't get to it, so I went to the window. But the sergeant pick up the hose and put the fire, 834.7598 639 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 834.7598 (pause 0.40) 835.1605 640 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 835.1605 and I got the mattress. He and I threw it out the window. 837.0705 641 DCA_int_01 837.4620 Oh. 837.7552 642 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 838.5480 And then he put the fire- uh- that's rest of the room- rest of the room out too. 841.3037 643 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 841.3037 (pause 0.93) 842.2344 644 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 842.2344 But I don't have many ca- case like that. 844.3812 645 DCA_int_01 846.6063 Sometimes when you think about that, people say, oh, whatever's gonna happen, is gonna happen anyway. 851.3326 646 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 851.6182 Oh that's true too, but uh, you can be- 853.5369 647 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 853.5369 (pause 0.37) 853.9083 648 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 853.9083 be 854.1527 649 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 854.1527 (pause 0.22) 854.3677 650 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 854.3677 careful about some s- some known things. Now 856.8585 651 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 856.8585 (pause 0.28) 857.1420 652 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 857.1420 there's a case of a building- 858.2124 653 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 858.2124 (pause 0.24) 858.4518 654 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 858.4518 Uh we've had uh, 859.2241 655 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 859.2241 (pause 0.85) 860.0717 656 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 860.0717 a ceiling falling on- on us, and hit us on the head, and knock the heck out of you. 863.0061 657 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 863.0061 (pause 0.42) 863.4216 658 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 863.4216 That's happen- that happens anytime. 864.7460 659 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 864.7460 (pause 0.26) 865.0057 660 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 865.0057 Ceiling fall on you, especially the old houses. 866.6937 661 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 866.6937 (pause 0.91) 867.6026 662 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 867.6026 /unintelligible/ give you trouble too 869.5762 663 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 869.5762 (pause 0.64) 870.2131 664 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 870.2131 and things like that, but- 871.5475 665 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 871.5475 (pause 1.19) 872.7377 666 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 872.7377 /Useless, please/ use your head, and don't be too much of a hero. 875.8821 667 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 875.8821 (pause 0.42) 876.2988 668 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 876.2988 I've had men do- uh, go into a building, and uh- 879.1560 669 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 879.1560 (pause 0.75) 879.9052 670 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 879.9052 uh, 880.3304 671 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 880.3304 (pause 0.25) 880.5787 672 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 880.5787 you know, 880.9913 673 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 880.9913 (pause 0.57) 881.5595 674 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 881.5595 try to find his company- 882.5915 675 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 882.5915 (pause 0.83) 883.4225 676 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 883.4225 trying to get with his company. 884.2749 677 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 884.2749 (pause 0.32) 884.5925 678 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 884.5925 That's a foolish thing to do. 885.6433 679 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 885.6433 (pause 0.71) 886.3569 680 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 886.3569 You don't know where- you don't where the company is in a building that's burning. You can't see your way in there, 890.1918 681 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 890.1918 (pause 0.50) 890.6903 682 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 890.6903 why go in? 891.2230 683 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 891.2230 (pause 1.40) 892.6203 684 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 892.6203 /You'll be/ minus a man. They got to stop fighting the fire to find you, 895.1165 685 DCA_int_01 895.1653 Yeah. 895.5548 686 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 895.6297 you see. 896.0696 687 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 896.0696 (pause 0.28) 896.3524 688 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 896.3524 Doesn't make any sense. We had one up- We had down on uh- 898.9307 689 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 898.9307 (pause 0.52) 899.4501 690 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 899.4501 on uh- G street one- one day, 901.7613 691 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 901.7613 (pause 0.42) 902.1768 692 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 902.1768 and he's /unintelligible/. 903.3194 693 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 903.3194 (pause 1.04) 904.3575 694 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 904.3575 /unintelligible/ 905.7383 695 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 905.7383 (pause 1.19) 906.9284 696 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 906.9284 but he's a- he's a dead man. 908.6170 697 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 908.6170 (pause 2.31) 910.9282 698 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 910.9282 You don't do things like that, you see. 912.5383 699 DCA_int_01 914.4600 Wow, you're a real interesting conversationalist. 916.9661 700 DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 917.1567 918.7967