Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DCB_int_01 0.2851 Were you- 0.6613 2 DCB_int_01 0.6613 (pause 0.08) 0.7413 3 DCB_int_01 0.7413 were you born and raised in DC? 2.2173 4 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 2.3234 Mm-hm. 2.7716 5 DCB_int_01 3.5360 What [neighborhood?] 4.2563 6 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 3.6921 [ Yes.] 4.2603 7 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 4.8526 Um, 5.2942 8 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 5.2942 (pause 0.13) 5.4222 9 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 5.4222 Ivory City. 6.1626 10 DCB_int_01 6.6482 Which [one?] 7.0229 11 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 6.8123 [Northeast.] 7.4846 12 DCB_int_01 7.5286 Northeast? And what is it called? What's the- 8.9773 13 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 9.0387 Ivory City. 9.7790 14 DCB_int_01 9.8551 Ivy City? 10.4633 15 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 10.6514 Ivory. 11.1757 16 DCB_int_01 11.2691 Ivory City. 12.0424 17 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 12.0414 [Mm-hm.] 12.4897 18 DCB_int_01 12.2295 [Where's] that? 12.6897 19 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 13.7262 Um, it's over there off of Trinidad. 16.0073 20 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 16.0073 (pause 0.11) 16.1127 21 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 16.1127 M- M- [Montello Avenue.] 17.9416 22 DCB_int_01 16.4903 [Oh.] 17.1346 23 DCB_int_01 17.1346 (pause 0.37) 17.5067 24 DCB_int_01 17.5067 [Mm-hm.] 17.9454 25 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 18.0150 [Mm-hm.] 18.4363 26 DCB_int_01 18.0150 [Mm-hm.] 18.4363 27 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 18.5112 Over there. 19.0034 28 DCB_int_01 19.1569 And so you've lived here all your life? 20.4735 29 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 20.5575 All my life. 21.4619 30 DCB_int_01 22.6759 Um, 23.5683 31 DCB_int_01 23.5683 (pause 1.75) 25.3185 32 DCB_int_01 25.3185 In school where'd you go? 26.2429 33 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 27.0527 Crummell. 27.5569 34 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 27.5569 (pause 0.18) 27.7370 35 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 27.7370 That [was my-] 28.3052 36 DCB_int_01 27.9131 [Crummell?] 28.4413 37 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 28.4987 [Uh-huh.] 28.9749 38 DCB_int_01 28.6014 [High school?] 29.0896 39 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 29.3431 No that was my elementary school. 30.9719 40 DCB_int_01 30.9612 Crummell. 31.6055 41 DCB_int_01 33.8105 Where's that? 34.1627 42 DCB_int_01 34.1627 (pause 0.28) 34.4416 43 DCB_int_01 34.4416 Or where was it? I don't- 35.2980 44 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 35.2900 Um, Crummell? N- 36.3025 45 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 36.4585 I- 36.5346 46 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 36.5346 (pause 0.11) 36.6426 47 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 36.6426 Ivory City. 37.3127 48 DCB_int_01 37.6351 Oh it still [exists?] 38.7036 49 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 38.5195 [Mm-hm.] 39.0077 50 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 39.3426 They done tore it down but the building is still [there.] 41.9198 51 DCB_int_01 41.5116 [It's still] there? 42.1996 52 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 42.2520 Mm-hm. 42.6506 53 DCB_int_01 42.7322 Um, 43.4085 54 DCB_int_01 43.4085 (pause 0.47) 43.8755 55 DCB_int_01 43.8755 what about your 44.4077 56 DCB_int_01 44.4077 (pause 0.16) 44.5718 57 DCB_int_01 44.5718 parents? Your father, was he born here? 46.2238 58 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 46.5127 No he was born in um, 48.0754 59 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 48.0754 (pause 0.39) 48.4640 60 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 48.4640 48.5360 61 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 48.5360 (pause 0.27) 48.8031 62 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 48.8031 Jenkinsville, South Carolina. 50.4853 63 DCB_int_01 52.9945 And m- 53.2439 64 DCB_int_01 53.2439 (pause 0.12) 53.3680 65 DCB_int_01 53.3680 mother? 53.7202 66 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 54.1444 Mother was born from 55.1008 67 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 55.1008 (pause 0.12) 55.2169 68 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 55.2169 at Leavenworth, Kansas. 56.6542 69 DCB_int_01 56.9524 Oh. 57.3086 70 DCB_int_01 57.3086 (pause 0.28) 57.5847 71 DCB_int_01 57.5847 Wow. 57.9129 72 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 58.2090 59.3503 73 DCB_int_01 59.5976 So how did you end up here? 60.7576 74 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 61.6894 I was born here, she /did/- she had all of us here. 64.3014 75 DCB_int_01 64.5787 And how m- You have- how many siblings do you have? 66.3835 76 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 66.4383 Um, I have 67.2143 77 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 67.2143 (pause 0.20) 67.4148 78 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 67.4148 ten sisters and four [brothers.] 71.7015 79 DCB_int_01 71.1032 [Wow.] (whispered) 71.5314 80 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 71.8036 Yeah. (whispered) 72.4979 81 DCB_int_01 72.5479 And what number are you? 73.4963 82 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 73.9125 Seven. 74.3259 83 DCB_int_01 75.1891 Oh so you're right in the middle. 76.4971 84 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 76.5725 Right in the middle. 77.5970 85 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 77.5970 (pause 0.23) 77.8291 86 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 77.8291 I'm the last child from the first group. 80.2756 87 DCB_int_01 80.4437 Okay, and then the- how big is the break between the two? 82.8584 88 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 82.9823 Um, 83.5265 89 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 83.5265 (pause 0.22) 83.7466 90 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 83.7466 three years. 84.4733 91 DCB_int_01 84.5150 Three years and then it's [your-] 85.8503 92 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 85.5262 [And] then the rest of ['em come along.] 87.2888 93 DCB_int_01 86.6267 [Ah gotcha.] 87.7472 94 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 88.0331 [Mm-hm.] 88.5611 95 DCB_int_01 88.1491 [I'm'a move this so you can have some space] to move. What about- 90.7664 96 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 88.8375 [Mm-hm.] 89.2977 97 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 89.2977 (pause 0.25) 89.5458 98 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 89.5458 [Mm-hm.] 89.9620 99 DCB_int_01 91.0265 what did your father do? 91.8349 100 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 92.1214 92.2037 101 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 92.2037 (pause 0.13) 92.3317 102 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 92.3317 He was a boot black. 93.5183 103 DCB_int_01 94.0765 What's that? 94.4302 104 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 94.8104 Shine shoes. 95.7849 105 DCB_int_01 95.7929 Ah. 96.7342 106 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 97.6042 Mm-hm. 98.3086 107 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 98.3086 (pause 0.29) 98.5967 108 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 98.5967 He was a boot black. 99.9293 109 DCB_int_01 99.9773 And what did your mom do? 100.8001 110 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 101.0042 Uh, she did um, 102.0736 111 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 102.0736 (pause 0.65) 102.7278 112 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 102.7278 maid's work. 103.5722 113 DCB_int_01 103.7042 [Maid's work. She was a- Okay.] 105.3050 114 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 103.9043 [Hou- you know,] 104.7643 115 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 104.7643 (pause 0.18) 104.9408 116 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 104.9408 [in houses.] 105.8813 117 DCB_int_01 108.1157 Alright. 108.5159 118 DCB_int_01 108.5159 (pause 0.46) 108.9761 119 DCB_int_01 108.9761 So, 109.4843 120 DCB_int_01 109.4843 (pause 0.65) 110.1300 121 DCB_int_01 110.1300 I- 110.2941 122 DCB_int_01 110.2941 (pause 0.29) 110.5822 123 DCB_int_01 110.5822 This is great 111.2065 124 DCB_int_01 111.2065 (pause 0.13) 111.3399 125 DCB_int_01 111.3399 cause I don't think I've interviewed anybody from Ivory City so tell me a little bit about 115.6339 126 DCB_int_01 115.6339 (pause 0.63) 116.2609 127 DCB_int_01 116.2609 the neighborhood, especially when you were a child what you remember. 119.1420 128 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 120.0281 I remember 121.1886 129 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 121.1886 (pause 0.85) 122.0398 130 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 122.0398 we had a store on the corner, 123.6045 131 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 123.6045 (pause 1.09) 124.6930 132 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 124.6930 um, 125.2172 133 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 125.2172 (pause 0.17) 125.3827 134 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 125.3827 I remember all of our- We knew all the neighbors cause it was like a small- 129.9227 135 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 129.9227 (pause 0.22) 130.1396 136 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 130.1396 it wasn't like 130.7359 137 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 130.7359 (pause 0.29) 131.0241 138 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 131.0241 big. 131.3842 139 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 131.3842 (pause 0.62) 132.0005 140 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 132.0005 We knew all the neighbors. 133.4372 141 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 133.4372 (pause 0.48) 133.9188 142 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 133.9188 The houses they was like 135.3908 143 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 135.3908 (pause 0.18) 135.5675 144 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 135.5675 some houses were nice, some of 'em was kind of ran down you know. 138.9545 145 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 138.9545 (pause 0.56) 139.5135 146 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 139.5135 Um, 139.9348 147 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 139.9348 (pause 0.28) 140.2178 148 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 140.2178 we'd- Our apartment 141.4624 149 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 141.4624 (pause 0.78) 142.2428 150 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 142.2428 was um, nineteen fifty-five 144.2397 151 DCB_int_01 144.4185 Mm-hm. 144.6746 152 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 145.5430 /RD-ADDRESS-6/ 146.6257 153 DCB_int_01 146.9357 Okay. 147.3119 154 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 147.5840 See we lived at Ivory City but the street was /RD-ADDRESS-6/ 150.9069 155 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 150.9069 (pause 0.75) 151.6540 156 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 151.6540 And you know I remember 153.4388 157 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 153.4388 (pause 3.76) 157.1953 158 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 157.1953 getting beatings a lot. 159.9246 159 DCB_int_01 158.9401 [Oh. And why, cause you- cause you were the middle] child? 161.4948 160 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 160.3048 161.0491 161 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 161.7562 Yeah. 163.1608 162 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 163.1608 (pause 0.23) 163.3929 163 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 163.3929 Something like that and um- 165.1177 164 DCB_int_01 166.3651 Did you get in trouble a lot as a kid? 167.9958 165 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 168.7262 No. 169.0302 166 DCB_int_01 169.2704 No, okay. 169.8907 167 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 169.9868 No. 170.2149 168 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 170.2149 (pause 0.63) 170.8459 169 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 170.8459 Our parents didn't- They were kind of strict. 173.0349 170 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 173.0349 (pause 0.18) 173.2150 171 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 173.2150 They- they were- 174.0577 172 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 174.0577 (pause 0.35) 174.4116 173 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 174.4116 they were strict and then in a way they wasn't strict [you know] but 178.2889 174 DCB_int_01 177.6598 [Hm.] 178.0451 175 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 178.6523 when it came to us like, going outside like the kids do today, no we weren't allowed to do that. 183.5359 176 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 183.5359 (pause 0.39) 183.9309 177 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 183.9309 We was allowed to all sit on the porch. 185.9038 178 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 185.9038 (pause 0.40) 186.3080 179 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 186.3080 [And what] we could do on the porch is what we did on the porch. 189.2867 180 DCB_int_01 186.3093 [Mm.] 186.7507 181 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 189.6777 If we stepped off the porch we would have to come in the house. 192.3869 182 DCB_int_01 190.9573 191.2714 183 DCB_int_01 192.6830 And so what kind of things did y'all do on the por- That's musta been a 195.0030 184 DCB_int_01 195.0030 (pause 0.13) 195.1296 185 DCB_int_01 195.1296 crowded [porch.] 195.9659 186 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 195.5137 [Well-] 195.8631 187 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 195.8631 (pause 0.10) 195.9619 188 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 195.9619 Yeah it [was.] 196.7623 189 DCB_int_01 196.4747 [] 197.4221 190 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 197.0158 [And um], w- well we could step off the porch to play 199.9772 191 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 200.3307 jump rope [with each] other, double dutch. 202.5331 192 DCB_int_01 200.9590 [Mm-hm.] 201.3192 193 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 203.7977 And we could 204.3407 194 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 204.3407 (pause 0.06) 204.4047 195 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 204.4047 run up the hill cause there was like a hill right in front of our door so we could run up there long as our mother was at the window and she could see what we were doing. 211.3617 196 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 211.3617 (pause 0.48) 211.8403 197 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 211.8403 But she did allow our brothers to do a little more. 214.3723 198 DCB_int_01 215.0872 And then was it- For- 216.8040 199 DCB_int_01 216.8040 (pause 0.16) 216.9641 200 DCB_int_01 216.9641 In your neighborhood, is your- is your childhood home still there? 219.7749 201 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 220.6125 Yes. 221.2432 202 DCB_int_01 221.7650 Really? 222.5174 203 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 222.6495 Yes. 223.1561 204 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 223.1561 (pause 0.30) 223.4606 205 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 223.4606 I couldn't believe it because um, 225.1414 206 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 225.1414 (pause 0.40) 225.5455 207 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 225.5455 uh, three weeks ago I was with a friend of mine 228.1135 208 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 228.1135 (pause 0.42) 228.5323 209 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 228.5323 and they were close to Ivory City so I said, why don't you take me to Ivory City to see if 232.9477 210 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 232.9477 (pause 0.43) 233.3787 211 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 233.3787 you know, everything look the same. It looks more like a ghost city. 236.5520 212 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 236.5520 (pause 0.67) 237.2218 213 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 237.2218 But nineteen fifty-five where we stayed 239.8404 214 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 239.8404 (pause 0.13) 239.9685 215 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 239.9685 is still there. 240.8835 216 DCB_int_01 241.1264 Really? How big was the house? 242.4270 217 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 243.3714 Not a house, apartment. 244.6200 218 DCB_int_01 244.7815 It was an apar- 245.2057 219 DCB_int_01 245.2057 (pause 0.52) 245.7259 220 DCB_int_01 245.7259 And then how many of you stayed in there? 247.2346 221 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 247.5441 All of us. 248.2925 222 DCB_int_01 248.6526 So it was what, sixteen, [seventeen of you guy-] 251.1513 223 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 250.1587 [Mm-hm. Mm-hm.] 251.8854 224 DCB_int_01 251.4193 [and how many] rooms? 252.6719 225 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 254.1673 One. 254.6275 226 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 254.6275 (pause 1.83) 256.4564 227 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 256.4564 One. 256.8766 228 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 256.8766 (pause 0.85) 257.7237 229 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 257.7237 My- my mother and father had that room, we slept in the living rooms you know in sleeping bags, 262.9622 230 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 262.9622 (pause 0.93) 263.8880 231 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 263.8880 mattresses, 265.2213 232 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 265.2213 (pause 0.29) 265.5155 233 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 265.5155 it looked- we looked like a- a carpet. 267.4804 234 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 267.4804 (pause 1.09) 268.5663 235 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 268.5663 Once we all 269.3546 236 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 269.3546 (pause 0.16) 269.5147 237 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 269.5147 got into bed and went to sleep we lookeded like a carpet. 272.0092 238 DCB_int_01 272.5415 And you stayed there until how old? 274.1302 239 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 274.2793 274.3514 240 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 274.3514 (pause 0.68) 275.0317 241 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 275.0317 Until I was um, 276.5054 242 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 276.5054 (pause 0.14) 276.6435 243 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 276.6435 278.6204 244 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 278.6204 (pause 1.86) 280.4813 245 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 280.4813 I had to be like 281.8739 246 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 281.8739 (pause 2.12) 283.9897 247 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 283.9897 nine. 284.6500 248 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 284.6500 (pause 0.27) 284.9155 249 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 284.9155 Nine or eight. 285.7839 250 DCB_int_01 286.1961 And then where did y'all move to? 287.3206 251 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 287.5327 We moved to- 288.6626 252 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 288.6626 (pause 0.16) 288.8227 253 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 288.8227 I- I remember that as if it was yesterday, 290.7013 254 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 290.7013 (pause 0.41) 291.1131 255 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 291.1131 we moved on Ainger- 292.8139 256 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 292.8139 (pause 0.38) 293.1928 257 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 293.1928 Ainger Street- 294.5528 258 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 294.5528 (pause 0.26) 294.8096 259 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 294.8096 Ainger Place Southeast. 296.3303 260 DCB_int_01 296.7985 Okay so [you were in Northeast and then] you went over to [South, so you clo- close] by are you- 300.7871 261 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 297.1680 [Off of Alabama A-] 298.3886 262 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 298.3886 (pause 0.77) 299.1610 263 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 299.1610 [To Southeast.] 300.1876 264 DCB_int_01 300.9325 Was it close by where FBR is now? 302.6774 265 DCB_int_01 302.6774 (pause 0.08) 302.7534 266 DCB_int_01 302.7534 Or is it on the other [side?] 303.9268 267 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 303.7138 [On the] other side. 304.5262 268 DCB_int_01 304.4862 On the other [side.] 305.1462 269 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 304.9144 [In] Woodland, and you mighta heard of Woodland Terrace? 307.6861 270 DCB_int_01 307.1102 [/Woodla-/ Mm-hm.] 308.0035 271 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 308.0826 Yup. 308.3067 272 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 308.3067 (pause 0.66) 308.9670 273 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 308.9670 My mother li- That's where we moved at. 310.7332 274 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 310.7332 (pause 0.43) 311.1654 275 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 311.1654 Ainger. 311.7257 276 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 311.7257 (pause 0.50) 312.2299 277 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 312.2299 They moved us in this house 313.7712 278 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 313.7712 (pause 0.77) 314.5377 279 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 314.5377 and this house was- 315.4702 280 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 315.4702 (pause 0.10) 315.5662 281 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 315.5662 Oh my god, it was full of rats. 317.2662 282 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 317.2662 (pause 0.55) 317.8166 283 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 317.8166 So we- we stayed up at night, we talked to each other 321.1556 284 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 321.1556 (pause 0.11) 321.2636 285 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 321.2636 ducking rats and 322.5002 286 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 322.5002 (pause 0.50) 323.0018 287 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 323.0018 then um, I say we lived in there for about 325.3389 288 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 325.3389 (pause 1.24) 326.5782 289 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 326.5782 a year. 327.1969 290 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 327.1969 (pause 0.41) 327.6027 291 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 327.6027 Our pictures were in the paper 329.1467 292 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 329.1467 (pause 0.76) 329.9025 293 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 329.9025 in um, The Post, 331.1151 294 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 331.1151 (pause 0.46) 331.5713 295 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 331.5713 you know, /ts-/ A- and I never forget the front- 334.1497 296 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 334.1497 (pause 0.18) 334.3339 297 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 334.3339 the um, the headline: 335.4979 298 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 335.4979 (pause 1.86) 337.3607 299 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 337.3607 Rats 338.1050 300 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 338.1050 (pause 0.14) 338.2411 301 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 338.2411 Big as Cats, 339.2536 302 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 339.2536 (pause 0.13) 339.3870 303 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 339.3870 which they was. 340.4115 304 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 340.4115 (pause 0.60) 341.0118 305 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 341.0118 And then after we lived there for a year, 343.4223 306 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 343.4223 (pause 0.29) 343.7092 307 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 343.7092 then they moved my mother down 345.4299 308 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 345.4299 (pause 0.37) 345.7981 309 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 345.7981 the street in one of the um, 347.7670 310 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 347.7670 (pause 0.38) 348.1486 311 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 348.1486 house- 349.3619 312 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 349.3619 (pause 0.67) 350.0335 313 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 350.0335 in one of the low income houses. 351.8183 314 DCB_int_01 351.8931 Mm-hm. 352.1371 315 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 352.1972 Five bedroom. 353.2292 316 DCB_int_01 353.9020 So that's the biggest house y'all had at that point cause you went from one [bedroom] 357.4860 317 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 357.0929 [Yup.] 357.4488 318 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 357.9052 [Yup to- to this] 358.8337 319 DCB_int_01 357.9292 [to this other p-] 358.8119 320 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 358.9177 other house 359.5980 321 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 359.5980 (pause 0.31) 359.9049 322 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 359.9049 which we couldn't use none of the rooms because they was so- 362.9063 323 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 362.9063 (pause 1.33) 364.2337 324 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 364.2337 they just wasn't sanitary enough. 366.4187 325 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 366.4187 (pause 0.16) 366.5788 326 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 366.5788 I don't even know why they moved our- my mother in there but 369.2160 327 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 369.2160 (pause 0.42) 369.6389 328 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 369.6389 by us being young 370.8016 329 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 370.8016 (pause 0.61) 371.4078 330 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 371.4078 we didn't wanna take the picture but she made us get in it, 374.0607 331 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 374.0607 (pause 0.11) 374.1744 332 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 374.1744 w- [So,] 374.6346 333 DCB_int_01 374.3145 [Right.] 374.6306 334 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 374.9041 she- I guess she can get help 376.2855 335 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 376.2855 (pause 0.20) 376.4809 336 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 376.4809 the way she did. 377.2449 337 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 377.2449 (pause 0.40) 377.6468 338 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 377.6468 Then she moved down the street, 379.1628 339 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 379.1628 (pause 0.54) 379.7077 340 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 379.7077 at um, twenty-three sixty, 381.3405 341 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 381.3405 (pause 0.31) 381.6514 342 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 381.6514 she stayed there for 382.9520 343 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 382.9520 (pause 0.69) 383.6403 344 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 383.6403 fifty-two years until she died. 385.8603 345 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 385.8603 (pause 0.71) 386.5684 346 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 386.5684 And 387.0166 347 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 387.0166 (pause 0.42) 387.4328 348 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 387.4328 I left home- When she moved down there, I left home at the age of thirteen. 391.1021 349 DCB_int_01 391.9377 And where'd you do? 392.6550 350 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 393.9066 All over the place. 394.9164 351 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 394.9164 (pause 0.09) 395.0085 352 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 395.0085 I- I stayed up- 396.0169 353 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 396.0169 (pause 0.18) 396.1930 354 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 396.1930 um, 396.5372 355 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 396.5372 (pause 0.09) 396.6252 356 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 396.6252 up Northwest with my sister, she lived in the Dunbar Hotel, I don't know if anybody remember that. 401.5422 357 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 401.5422 (pause 0.54) 402.0865 358 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 402.0865 That was on Fifteenth and U. 403.4518 359 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 403.4518 (pause 0.44) 403.8941 360 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 403.8941 She stayed in there with her boyfriend, I stayed in there with her for a while. 406.9874 361 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 406.9874 (pause 0.38) 407.3664 362 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 407.3664 But then he wanted to start getting fresh, so I told her, she didn't believe me cause she was a drunk. 412.7463 363 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 412.7463 (pause 0.31) 413.0585 364 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 413.0585 So, 413.4318 365 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 413.4318 (pause 0.29) 413.7268 366 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 413.7268 I stayed out in the street. 414.7460 367 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 414.7460 (pause 0.58) 415.3263 368 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 415.3263 I stayed in um, Meridian Park, 417.1575 369 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 417.1575 (pause 0.19) 417.3432 370 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 417.3432 that was 417.7554 371 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 417.7554 (pause 0.18) 417.9315 372 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 417.9315 [mostly-] 418.7248 373 DCB_int_01 418.2876 [Mm-hm.] 418.9570 374 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 419.0894 that was mostly where I stayed. 420.7155 375 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 420.7155 (pause 0.41) 421.1277 376 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 421.1277 I stayed [there for like-] 422.3077 377 DCB_int_01 421.6039 [Off of 14th] Street? 422.6284 378 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 422.6364 Uh-huh. 423.0166 379 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 423.0166 (pause 0.47) 423.4848 380 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 423.4848 I stayed in there for like three years. 425.7472 381 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 425.7472 (pause 0.45) 426.1928 382 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 426.1928 Off and on. 426.9848 383 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 426.9848 (pause 0.76) 427.7429 384 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 427.7429 A- Um, s- People would- 428.8936 385 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 428.8936 (pause 0.30) 429.1916 386 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 429.1916 I would meet people in the park and they would see that I didn't have nowhere to go, they would offer me over to their house, give me something to eat, 435.1385 387 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 435.1385 (pause 0.41) 435.5467 388 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 435.5467 let me take a shower, 436.7112 389 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 436.7112 (pause 0.24) 436.9553 390 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 436.9553 stuff like that, but then after that I had to go. 439.2644 391 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 439.2644 (pause 0.27) 439.5313 392 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 439.5313 So, 439.8114 393 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 439.8114 (pause 0.10) 439.9074 394 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 439.9074 majority of the times I slept in the park. 442.0541 395 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 442.0541 (pause 0.46) 442.5126 396 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 442.5126 Even in the winter time, I think that's why sometime I have trouble with this hip. 445.7609 397 DCB_int_01 447.2696 [Wow.] 448.1674 398 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 448.0553 [Mm-hm.] 448.7957 399 DCB_int_01 448.8157 And so then- So, 449.9042 400 DCB_int_01 449.9042 (pause 0.32) 450.2203 401 DCB_int_01 450.2203 you grew up- 450.9083 402 DCB_int_01 450.9083 (pause 0.41) 451.3156 403 DCB_int_01 451.3156 Okay so you started in elementary school but while you were living in the park you didn't- Did you go to school? 455.7537 404 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 455.7647 455.8167 405 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 455.8167 (pause 0.16) 455.9808 406 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 455.9808 No. 456.2209 407 DCB_int_01 457.3945 Mm-mm, so [you were just educated] in the [streets.] 459.3314 408 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 457.8947 [Mm-mm.] 458.3627 409 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 458.3627 (pause 0.77) 459.1353 410 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 459.1353 [Mm-hm.] 459.6086 411 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 459.8130 Yup. 460.0812 412 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 460.0812 (pause 0.22) 460.2973 413 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 460.2973 That's exactly what I tell people I- 461.7379 414 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 461.7379 (pause 0.18) 461.9140 415 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 461.9140 My- my knowledge came from the streets. 463.8789 416 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 463.8789 (pause 0.41) 464.2925 417 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 464.2925 Because when I left 465.4050 418 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 465.4050 (pause 0.27) 465.6731 419 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 465.6731 Crummell 466.3705 420 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 466.3705 (pause 0.60) 466.9697 421 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 466.9697 that was my elementary school, I went to Cramer. 469.2041 422 DCB_int_01 469.5897 Mm-hm. 470.1300 423 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 470.2020 [Yeah.] 470.5566 424 DCB_int_01 470.2020 [The- Not] too [far.] 471.1660 425 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 470.9863 [Uh-huh.] 471.5226 426 DCB_int_01 471.2905 [Mm-hm.] 471.7651 427 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 471.6186 [I] went to Cramer. 472.4750 428 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 473.2782 I 473.6515 429 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 473.6515 (pause 0.21) 473.8584 430 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 473.8584 passed to the 474.8069 431 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 474.8069 (pause 0.09) 474.8949 432 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 474.8949 eighth grade. 475.7113 433 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 475.7113 (pause 1.53) 477.2414 434 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 477.2414 And then by me not 478.4633 435 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 478.4633 (pause 0.08) 478.5394 436 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 478.5394 you know, b- get- being able to get no help, nobody didn't wanna help me because back then in the day, 483.0434 437 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 483.0434 (pause 0.42) 483.4604 438 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 483.4604 you know like, it wasn't easy to get on public system, [get food stamps stuff like] that. 487.5924 439 DCB_int_01 486.1696 [Mm mm-hm.] 487.4262 440 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 488.1653 So, 488.6107 441 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 488.6107 (pause 0.32) 488.9297 442 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 488.9297 I just 489.3179 443 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 489.3179 (pause 0.61) 489.9235 444 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 489.9235 stopped going to school and 491.5523 445 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 491.5523 (pause 0.83) 492.3847 446 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 492.3847 like I said I left home when I was thirteen, 494.6097 447 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 494.6097 (pause 0.62) 495.2327 448 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 495.2327 when my mother saw me again I was twenty-six. 498.0461 449 DCB_int_01 499.2280 So for thirteen years. 500.6646 450 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 501.9480 Yup, I lived off of people that was the ones that was nice enough to let me come and stay with 'em and other than that, 507.4145 451 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 507.4145 (pause 0.41) 507.8295 452 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 507.8295 I was sleeping in the park 509.0180 453 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 509.0180 (pause 0.39) 509.4102 454 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 509.4102 when I felt like that wasn't safe some nights I would go in abandoned buildings, sleep in there. 514.2738 455 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 514.2738 (pause 0.52) 514.7968 456 DCB_se1_ag4_f_01 514.7968 Sleep in elevator shafts that didn't work, you know. 517.9783