Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DCB_int_01 0.3582 And 1.1926 2 DCB_int_01 1.1926 (pause 0.15) 1.3427 3 DCB_int_01 1.3427 What do you consider your hometown? 2.7400 4 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3.0928 Washington DC. 3.8492 5 DCB_int_01 4.3364 What neighborhood? 5.1137 6 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 5.5570 Uh, 5.9171 7 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 5.9171 (pause 0.34) 6.2613 8 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 6.2613 Bloomingdale. 6.8696 9 DCB_int_01 7.0897 Bloomingdale, and where is that? 8.4223 10 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 8.8540 It's uh, n- it's right above a area called LeDroit Park it's um, actually, 13.6122 11 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 13.6122 (pause 0.68) 14.2961 12 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 14.2961 uh, 14.7214 13 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 14.7214 (pause 2.76) 17.4856 14 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 17.4856 it's on W Street by /sub-/ 19.3814 15 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 19.3814 (pause 0.91) 20.2926 16 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 20.2926 between Michigan Avenue and Florida Avenues uh, and between 24.4363 17 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 24.4363 (pause 1.00) 25.4323 18 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 25.4323 North- I think between North Capital 27.4332 19 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 27.4332 (pause 0.18) 27.6093 20 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 27.6093 and 28.2776 21 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 28.2776 (pause 0.68) 28.9539 22 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 28.9539 Second Street I'm not sure I think Second [Street.] 31.0927 23 DCB_int_01 30.8326 [Northwest?] 31.7050 24 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 31.8926 Northwest 32.3928 25 DCB_int_01 32.3368 [Northwest?] 33.0051 26 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 32.6209 [Yeah, it's] Northwest. 33.6134 27 DCB_int_01 35.4342 And how long have you been in The District? 37.0087 28 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 37.5090 37.8276 29 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 37.8276 (pause 0.22) 38.0452 30 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 38.0452 Been here all my life, sixty one years. 39.4899 31 DCB_int_01 41.8608 And you've lived no other place? 43.1394 32 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 43.5611 Nope. 43.8612 33 DCB_int_01 43.8172 Nope. 44.1092 34 DCB_int_01 44.4775 And um, where'd you go to school? 45.7428 35 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 46.0462 Uh, 46.5542 36 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 46.5542 (pause 1.46) 48.0107 37 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 48.0107 You mean for elementary to junior high [or high school?] 50.7640 38 DCB_int_01 50.1357 [Mm-hm, /all-/.] 50.7640 39 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 51.3842 Um, I s- I s- I 52.6546 40 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 52.6546 (pause 0.15) 52.8067 41 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 52.8067 initially went to m- uh, Lucretia Mott- 54.4074 42 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 54.4074 (pause 0.54) 54.9517 43 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 54.9517 Mott uh, Elementary. 56.2103 44 DCB_int_01 56.3301 [Mm-hm.] 56.7594 45 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 57.1624 Then 57.4385 46 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 57.4385 (pause 0.58) 58.0188 47 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 58.0188 Katie C. Lewis 59.1229 48 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 59.1229 (pause 1.41) 60.5355 49 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 60.5355 um, 61.0518 50 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 61.0518 (pause 0.23) 61.2799 51 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 61.2799 Ele- Elementary. 62.2764 52 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 62.2764 (pause 0.21) 62.4844 53 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 62.4844 Then I was um, 63.4587 54 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 63.4587 (pause 0.78) 64.2430 55 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 64.2430 /RD-SCHOOL-4/ Junior High 65.6190 56 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 65.6190 (pause 2.14) 67.7624 57 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 67.7624 and Cardozo High. 68.7758 58 DCB_int_01 73.0684 And what's your current occupation? 74.5611 59 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 74.7630 Uh, community health worker. 76.0476 60 DCB_int_01 81.4530 What about your parents? Where were they born? 82.9397 61 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 83.1254 Uh, Wilson County, North Carolina. 84.7552 62 DCB_int_01 86.0758 Both your parents? 86.8162 63 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 86.8928 Yup. 87.0716 64 DCB_int_01 92.0193 And what did your parents do for a living? 93.9482 65 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 94.1843 My mom worked for um, 96.0870 66 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 96.0870 (pause 1.04) 97.1275 67 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 97.1275 uh, 97.6021 68 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 97.6021 (pause 0.47) 98.0759 69 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 98.0759 the 98.4601 70 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 98.4601 (pause 0.29) 98.7460 71 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 98.7460 Catholic nuns at Dominican House of Studies 100.9470 72 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 100.9470 (pause 1.57) 102.5193 73 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 102.5193 uh, as a- k- as a utility worker like kitchen- kitchen aid. 105.9609 74 DCB_int_01 110.6146 Mm-hm. 111.1028 75 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 112.6933 My dad was a truck driver and landscaper for um, 115.1962 76 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 115.1962 (pause 0.24) 115.4323 77 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 115.4323 National Arboretum. 116.3443 78 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 116.3443 (pause 4.60) 120.9464 79 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 120.9464 Also a taxi driver. 122.0091 80 DCB_int_01 124.9935 So tell me- 125.8659 81 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 126.0620 126.3421 82 DCB_int_01 126.7503 I'm gonna stop writing now. 128.2889 83 DCB_int_01 128.2889 (pause 2.14) 130.4259 84 DCB_int_01 130.4259 So tell me a little bit about 132.8150 85 DCB_int_01 132.8150 (pause 0.47) 133.2850 86 DCB_int_01 133.2850 your childhood home, what you remember, your neighborhood. 136.3410 87 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 136.9822 Alright. 137.2369 88 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 137.2369 (pause 0.14) 137.3744 89 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 137.3744 G- uh, growing up, uh, basically we grew up in, uh, 140.2064 90 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 140.2064 (pause 0.99) 141.1997 91 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 141.1997 Bloomingdale ar- area of Washington DC in Northwest uh, not far behind University. 145.4530 92 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 145.4530 (pause 0.58) 146.0335 93 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 146.0335 Uh, I had, um- 147.2260 94 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 147.2260 (pause 1.23) 148.4546 95 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 148.4546 had three sisters and four brothers and one half brother 152.2159 96 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 152.2159 (pause 0.61) 152.8241 97 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 152.8241 who didn't live with us, he lived in Richmond, Virginia pretty much, uh, 155.6855 98 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 155.6855 (pause 1.03) 156.7157 99 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 156.7157 my mom and dad, um, 158.2382 100 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 158.2382 (pause 0.15) 158.3863 101 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 158.3863 they were in the home 159.3027 102 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 159.3027 (pause 0.22) 159.5268 103 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 159.5268 and 160.0161 104 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 160.0161 (pause 0.84) 160.8514 105 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 160.8514 we, um, 161.6335 106 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 161.6335 (pause 0.64) 162.2698 107 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 162.2698 pretty much born- our ages range, 164.6192 108 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 164.6192 (pause 0.54) 165.1569 109 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 165.1569 uh, in- in years from nineteen 167.3980 110 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 167.3980 (pause 0.20) 167.6016 111 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 167.6016 forty-seven my oldest brother being born to 169.8586 112 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 169.8586 (pause 0.37) 170.2268 113 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 170.2268 nineteen fifty-eight my baby brother being born so like I say it's f- 173.1779 114 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 173.1779 (pause 0.43) 173.6061 115 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 173.6061 four boys three girls 174.6284 116 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 174.6284 (pause 0.31) 174.9388 117 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 174.9388 primarily. 175.4854 118 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 175.4854 (pause 0.74) 176.2291 119 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 176.2291 Um, 176.8398 120 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 176.8398 (pause 0.80) 177.6436 121 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 177.6436 pretty much had like a close knit family. 179.6045 122 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 179.6045 (pause 0.55) 180.1545 123 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 180.1545 Uh, we- 181.2158 124 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 181.2158 (pause 0.30) 181.5151 125 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 181.5151 as brothers and sisters we had our 182.9358 126 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 182.9358 (pause 0.39) 183.3257 127 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 183.3257 differences we had our squabbles, 185.1786 128 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 185.1786 (pause 0.54) 185.7228 129 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 185.7228 um, 186.3228 130 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 186.3228 (pause 0.39) 186.7108 131 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 186.7108 we had our distances between each other and then we had our closeness amongst 190.1724 132 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 190.1724 (pause 0.46) 190.6282 133 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 190.6282 s- you know, certain uh, 192.7735 134 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 192.7735 (pause 0.75) 193.5255 135 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 193.5255 pairs 194.1015 136 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 194.1015 (pause 0.28) 194.3859 137 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 194.3859 amongst us you know, um, 195.5286 138 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 195.5286 (pause 0.40) 195.9244 139 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 195.9244 my baby sister and I, we were real close. 197.9733 140 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 197.9733 (pause 0.58) 198.5531 141 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 198.5531 Um, my um, 199.7998 142 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 199.7998 (pause 0.69) 200.4860 143 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 200.4860 my 200.6781 144 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 200.6781 (pause 0.33) 201.0063 145 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 201.0063 older s- one of my older sisters- my middle 203.0192 146 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 203.0192 (pause 0.19) 203.2073 147 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 203.2073 uh, older sister and my 204.3918 148 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 204.3918 (pause 0.50) 204.8876 149 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 204.8876 brother that was uh, 205.8196 150 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 205.8196 (pause 0.32) 206.1442 151 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 206.1442 one- that was two years older than I was they were really close. 208.9575 152 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 208.9575 (pause 0.58) 209.5413 153 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 209.5413 And uh, 210.1853 154 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 210.1853 (pause 0.24) 210.4217 155 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 210.4217 my oldest two brothers they weren't really close but they did things together. 213.9604 156 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 213.9604 (pause 0.68) 214.6397 157 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 214.6397 And um, 215.5690 158 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 215.5690 (pause 0.74) 216.3080 159 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 216.3080 they weren't really close they kind of like went their own 217.8887 160 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 217.8887 (pause 0.37) 218.2609 161 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 218.2609 ways. 218.9892 162 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 218.9892 (pause 0.56) 219.5472 163 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 219.5472 So like and then my baby brother he was kind of like independent because he was the baby boy so 224.0871 164 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 224.0871 (pause 0.43) 224.5171 165 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 224.5171 he was kind of like sheltered a little bit and um, 226.9889 166 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 226.9889 (pause 1.60) 228.5905 167 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 228.5905 so my mom and dad raised us you know and they worked hard they uh, pretty much 231.6959 168 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 231.6959 (pause 0.14) 231.8360 169 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 231.8360 took care of us the best they could. 233.0526 170 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 233.0526 (pause 0.12) 233.1682 171 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 233.1682 But we um, 234.3447 172 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 234.3447 (pause 0.75) 235.0930 173 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 235.0930 we were- 235.8694 174 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 235.8694 (pause 0.15) 236.0175 175 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 236.0175 we weren't 236.4577 176 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 236.4577 (pause 0.13) 236.5857 177 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 236.5857 well off we weren't- 237.5166 178 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 237.5166 (pause 0.15) 237.6662 179 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 237.6662 we weren't like uh, 238.6707 180 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 238.6707 (pause 0.39) 239.0646 181 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 239.0646 well to do. 239.7433 182 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 239.7433 (pause 0.47) 240.2132 183 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 240.2132 My father was a hard worker we uh, 241.8239 184 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 241.8239 (pause 0.58) 242.4040 185 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 242.4040 sometimes uh, didn't have 244.0327 186 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 244.0327 (pause 0.54) 244.5765 187 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 244.5765 uh, 244.9485 188 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 244.9485 (pause 0.67) 245.6210 189 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 245.6210 an abundance of food where we had enough to eat. 247.5939 190 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 247.5939 (pause 0.35) 247.9421 191 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 247.9421 Uh, 248.3167 192 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 248.3167 (pause 0.30) 248.6201 193 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 248.6201 sometimes my mother would like struggle to- 250.4370 194 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 250.4370 (pause 0.49) 250.9270 195 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 250.9270 we didn't have cereal she would like make us uh, 252.9959 196 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 252.9959 (pause 0.44) 253.4361 197 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 253.4361 what we call like um, 254.4788 198 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 254.4788 (pause 0.89) 255.3646 199 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 255.3646 saltine crackers, little sugar and a little water, that would be our cereal. 259.0419 200 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 259.0419 (pause 0.16) 259.2001 201 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 259.2001 You know uh, either 260.3767 202 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 260.3767 (pause 0.42) 260.7969 203 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 260.7969 we would get government rations like what they call govment- gov- govment cheese not government, go- govment. 265.9708 204 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 265.9708 (pause 0.54) 266.5110 205 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 266.5110 Govment cheese 267.5315 206 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 267.5315 (pause 0.13) 267.6636 207 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 267.6636 um, 268.0477 208 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 268.0477 (pause 1.12) 269.1678 209 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 269.1678 and pork in the cans. 270.9806 210 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 270.9806 (pause 0.55) 271.5329 211 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 271.5329 Um, she would get, uh, powdered milk, 273.6859 212 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 273.6859 (pause 0.67) 274.3537 213 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 274.3537 uh, powder eggs those type of things just to supplement 277.3311 214 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 277.3311 (pause 0.47) 277.8033 215 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 277.8033 food. 278.2687 216 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 278.2687 (pause 0.63) 278.9016 217 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 278.9016 And we did that f- for a little bit. 280.5161 218 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 280.5161 (pause 0.43) 280.9483 219 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 280.9483 But my father pretty much was a good provider, took care of us. 283.5615 220 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 283.5615 (pause 0.42) 283.9813 221 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 283.9813 Made sure we had, 284.7773 222 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 284.7773 (pause 0.28) 285.0538 223 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 285.0538 you know, food in the house to eat, 286.4464 224 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 286.4464 (pause 0.73) 287.1787 225 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 287.1787 clothes on our back. 288.0191 226 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 288.0191 (pause 0.21) 288.2312 227 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 288.2312 We pretty much 289.0432 228 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 289.0432 (pause 0.67) 289.7155 229 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 289.7155 would get uh, our school clothes every summer around about August, 293.4652 230 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 293.4652 (pause 0.56) 294.0295 231 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 294.0295 school- you know enough 294.9476 232 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 294.9476 (pause 0.12) 295.0677 233 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 295.0677 you know, maybe like a pair of shoes, couple pair of pants, couple of shirts. 297.9290 234 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 297.9290 (pause 0.38) 298.3087 235 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 298.3087 Just to you know go to school, we have some fresh clothes to go back to school with. 301.2458 236 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 301.2458 (pause 0.61) 301.8544 237 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 301.8544 Uh, 302.2517 238 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 302.2517 (pause 0.17) 302.4182 239 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 302.4182 it was a lot of uh, mouths to feed and a lot of clothes to buy for kids, uh, eight kids so. 306.7722 240 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 306.7722 (pause 0.78) 307.5521 241 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 307.5521 Uh, they did the best they could. Then we 309.7331 242 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 309.7331 (pause 1.03) 310.7616 243 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 310.7616 grew up, uh, f- 311.8261 244 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 311.8261 (pause 0.10) 311.9221 245 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 311.9221 from the 312.5624 246 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 312.5624 (pause 0.42) 312.9844 247 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 312.9844 during the fifties 314.1249 248 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 314.1249 (pause 0.68) 314.8012 249 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 314.8012 and- and the sixties, 316.5639 250 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 316.5639 (pause 0.53) 317.0960 251 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 317.0960 relatively 318.0560 252 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 318.0560 (pause 0.78) 318.8364 253 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 318.8364 great life, you know, uh, 320.9375 254 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 320.9375 (pause 0.63) 321.5656 255 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 321.5656 you know /maybe/ like watch TV, go to school, 324.7310 256 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 324.7310 (pause 0.56) 325.2891 257 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 325.2891 have fun, play with our friends, 327.2941 258 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 327.2941 (pause 0.50) 327.7938 259 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 327.7938 you know, pretty much, uh, everything was really really good you know and uh, 331.4795 260 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 331.4795 (pause 1.00) 332.4755 261 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 332.4755 then I think the things started changing around about nineteen s- well, 336.3088 262 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 336.3088 (pause 0.82) 337.1315 263 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 337.1315 can I go back a little bit? Uh, remember 339.0827 264 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 339.0827 (pause 0.49) 339.5704 265 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 339.5704 primarily for- for my- for me, 341.0791 266 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 341.0791 (pause 0.44) 341.5170 267 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 341.5170 I remember some major incidences happening in 344.0662 268 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 344.0662 (pause 0.35) 344.4121 269 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 344.4121 the sixties and that was uh, 345.7728 270 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 345.7728 (pause 0.70) 346.4771 271 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 346.4771 some stuff having to do with the Civil Rights Movement 348.5118 272 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 348.5118 (pause 0.36) 348.8680 273 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 348.8680 and also with uh, 350.2206 274 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 350.2206 (pause 0.69) 350.9084 275 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 350.9084 the assassinations of people like Malcolm X and Medgar Evers, 354.0003 276 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 354.0003 (pause 0.57) 354.5741 277 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 354.5741 um, 355.1064 278 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 355.1064 (pause 0.58) 355.6862 279 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 355.6862 the murder of Medgar Evers, 356.8307 280 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 356.8307 (pause 0.55) 357.3830 281 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 357.3830 assassination of Malcolm X and also uh, 359.6443 282 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 359.6443 (pause 0.67) 360.3101 283 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 360.3101 Martin Luther King and John- and Robert F. Kennedy. 362.4421 284 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 362.4421 (pause 0.61) 363.0514 285 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 363.0514 Uh, and John Kennedy also nineteen sixty three that was a major- that was a big thing, my mom really was hurt 367.2514 286 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 367.2514 (pause 0.39) 367.6370 287 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 367.6370 by him- him being assassinated as President of the United States. 369.9119 288 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 369.9119 (pause 0.57) 370.4859 289 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 370.4859 So um, those are like turbulent times during the Civil Rights era. 373.7634 290 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 373.7634 (pause 0.63) 374.3952 291 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 374.3952 and with Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Movement uh, 377.3056 292 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 377.3056 (pause 0.43) 377.7328 293 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 377.7328 so we knew that although we- 379.5074 294 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 379.5074 (pause 0.12) 379.6274 295 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 379.6274 we were survivors, we were surviving as a family, 381.9379 296 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 381.9379 (pause 0.49) 382.4243 297 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 382.4243 we still had uh, 383.5008 298 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 383.5008 (pause 0.20) 383.6968 299 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 383.6968 a lot 384.0730 300 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 384.0730 (pause 0.38) 384.4572 301 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 384.4572 to struggle for in terms of like being black 386.4479 302 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 386.4479 (pause 0.84) 387.2843 303 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 387.2843 in America and being black in DC and also 389.9055 304 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 389.9055 (pause 0.47) 390.3732 305 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 390.3732 uh, 390.7374 306 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 390.7374 (pause 0.12) 390.8535 307 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 390.8535 being uh, 391.4215 308 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 391.4215 (pause 0.70) 392.1180 309 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 392.1180 how do you say it? 392.5767 310 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 392.5767 (pause 0.50) 393.0785 311 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 393.0785 Uh, having to deal with 394.4705 312 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 394.4705 (pause 0.58) 395.0532 313 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 395.0532 struggles of m- uh, 396.1217 314 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 396.1217 (pause 0.90) 397.0198 315 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 397.0198 you know, work, you know, trying to get jobs and 399.1463 316 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 399.1463 (pause 0.44) 399.5890 317 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 399.5890 you know, just trying to survive, 401.2157 318 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 401.2157 (pause 0.16) 401.3734 319 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 401.3734 so. 401.6841 320 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 401.6841 (pause 0.80) 402.4859 321 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 402.4859 Nineteen sixty eight when King was assassinated you know how long, 406.6124 322 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 406.6124 (pause 0.38) 406.9875 323 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 406.9875 you know, 407.2955 324 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 407.2955 (pause 0.57) 407.8639 325 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 407.8639 prior to King being assassinated 409.4293 326 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 409.4293 (pause 0.46) 409.8929 327 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 409.8929 you know as a k- child, as a young, young, young, young, young uh, 413.3202 328 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 413.3202 (pause 0.29) 413.6084 329 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 413.6084 teenager 414.1030 330 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 414.1030 (pause 0.48) 414.5844 331 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 414.5844 I noticed, uh, well I was- /I-/ not even a teenager then but I was still like adolescent, 418.2901 332 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 418.2901 (pause 0.70) 418.9859 333 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 418.9859 noticed that there was uh, 420.1313 334 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 420.1313 (pause 1.27) 421.3990 335 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 421.3990 a lot of drugs 422.2795 336 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 422.2795 (pause 0.12) 422.4035 337 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 422.4035 flowing through- through the city. 423.6377 338 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 423.6377 (pause 0.55) 424.1843 339 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 424.1843 Pri- primarily heroin. 425.4070 340 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 425.4070 (pause 0.64) 426.0447 341 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 426.0447 Uh, marijuana too, you know, so 428.3098 342 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 428.3098 (pause 0.25) 428.5619 343 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 428.5619 most people that used drugs they e- 430.3787 344 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 430.3787 (pause 0.40) 430.7785 345 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 430.7785 either did marijuana. And then there were some- there were some people that were- we called the junkies that did the heroin. 435.7888 346 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 435.7888 (pause 0.73) 436.5207 347 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 436.5207 But uh, even though they were /?/ called junkies, well they still were respected because you know we- we knew that they were like functional addicts 442.3011 348 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 442.3011 (pause 0.33) 442.6288 349 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 442.6288 as they say you know there, 443.8734 350 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 443.8734 (pause 0.46) 444.3376 351 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 444.3376 there were certain people that uh, we knew 446.0864 352 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 446.0864 (pause 0.18) 446.2625 353 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 446.2625 either had jobs or either they hustled 448.5035 354 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 448.5035 (pause 0.47) 448.9695 355 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 448.9695 you know 449.4177 356 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 449.4177 (pause 0.23) 449.6476 357 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 449.6476 to support their habits so we looked up to them because they, 452.3769 358 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 452.3769 (pause 0.45) 452.8308 359 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 452.8308 you know they weren't- 453.5881 360 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 453.5881 (pause 0.11) 453.6952 361 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 453.6952 they weren't really asking anybody for anything they was like you know getting it on their own. 457.0568 362 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 457.0568 (pause 0.99) 458.0488 363 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 458.0488 So um, 458.6594 364 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 458.6594 (pause 0.67) 459.3334 365 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 459.3334 we used to like 460.2155 366 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 460.2155 (pause 0.91) 461.1280 367 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 461.1280 look at them and kind of 462.2365 368 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 462.2365 (pause 0.11) 462.3445 369 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 462.3445 sort of like feel like that 463.5851 370 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 463.5851 (pause 0.14) 463.7212 371 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 463.7212 that wasn't us but 464.6736 372 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 464.6736 (pause 0.56) 465.2294 373 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 465.2294 uh, s- around that time 467.1223 374 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 467.1223 (pause 0.42) 467.5465 375 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 467.5465 a lot- 467.9518 376 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 467.9518 (pause 0.42) 468.3668 377 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 468.3668 a lot more people started doing it and younger people started doing it. 470.8698 378 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 470.8698 (pause 0.46) 471.3340 379 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 471.3340 And eventually when the riots- /or/ when the riots came after King's assassination, 474.8974 380 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 474.8974 (pause 0.46) 475.3532 381 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 475.3532 you know a lot of time my brothers they were- they were- they were into snorting heroin 478.8571 382 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 478.8571 (pause 0.49) 479.3488 383 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 479.3488 and eventually I got into it myself. 481.4697 384 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 481.4697 (pause 1.00) 482.4720 385 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 482.4720 And I got into it uh, 483.4764 386 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 483.4764 (pause 0.42) 483.9006 387 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 483.9006 after- 484.5406 388 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 484.5406 (pause 0.71) 485.2528 389 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 485.2528 after about a year or so of snorting, you know, I decided to start injecting heroin. 489.6381 390 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 489.6381 (pause 0.39) 490.0266 391 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 490.0266 You know cause my other friends they had- they had started injecting be- right before I did 493.0600 392 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 493.0600 (pause 0.47) 493.5322 393 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 493.5322 and they- they were just 494.3806 394 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 494.3806 (pause 0.28) 494.6625 395 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 494.6625 uh, 494.9638 396 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 494.9638 (pause 1.04) 496.0071 397 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 496.0071 coaxing me to- 496.6857 398 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 496.6857 (pause 0.27) 496.9515 399 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 496.9515 to do the same thing. 497.9240 400 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 497.9240 (pause 0.57) 498.4918 401 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 498.4918 And I went along with the crowd and started injecting heroin too. 501.4571 402 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 501.4571 (pause 0.44) 501.8974 403 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 501.8974 So that's when the- the bad years, you know, started to c- y- you know creep in. 505.9770 404 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 505.9770 (pause 0.48) 506.4608 405 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 506.4608 Cause although we were like smoking marijuana, you know, drinking beer and all this kind of stuff 510.3701 406 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 510.3701 (pause 0.77) 511.1429 407 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 511.1429 uh, doing the heroin eventually got to the point- it got to the point where 514.8144 408 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 514.8144 (pause 0.46) 515.2702 409 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 515.2702 uh, 515.6423 410 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 515.6423 (pause 0.26) 515.9024 411 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 515.9024 I had a habit, my brother had a habit you know and 518.3236 412 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 518.3236 (pause 0.33) 518.6517 413 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 518.6517 lot of o- lot of the other guys had habits that we d- that we dealt with. 521.4717 414 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 521.4717 (pause 0.91) 522.3770 415 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 522.3770 So uh, 522.9733 416 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 522.9733 (pause 0.89) 523.8594 417 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 523.8594 we spent a lot of years 524.9839 418 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 524.9839 (pause 0.39) 525.3761 419 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 525.3761 supporting our heroin habits. 526.7047 420 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 526.7047 (pause 0.11) 526.8128 421 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 526.8128 And my mom, she wasn't- 527.9075 422 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 527.9075 (pause 0.46) 528.3691 423 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 528.3691 she wasn't um- 529.2477 424 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 529.2477 (pause 2.11) 531.3544 425 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 531.3544 she- she didn't really try to stop it 533.4274 426 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 533.4274 (pause 0.19) 533.6172 427 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 533.6172 you know because she didn't really understand 536.0146 428 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 536.0146 (pause 0.40) 536.4141 429 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 536.4141 the nature of what we were dealing with. 537.8547 430 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 537.8547 (pause 0.08) 537.9388 431 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 537.9388 [We hid it.] We kind of masked it. 539.4075 432 DCB_int_01 538.0108 [Mm-hm.] 538.5071 433 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 539.9917 Uh, and she didn't know that w- w- we had heroin habits that we were like 543.5431 434 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 543.5431 (pause 0.36) 543.8989 435 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 543.8989 suffering with heroin habits being sick and needing- needing to /uh/ 546.7762 436 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 546.7762 (pause 0.51) 547.2884 437 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 547.2884 you know steal and 548.4457 438 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 548.4457 (pause 0.62) 549.0648 439 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 549.0648 you know scheme to get our money to get our heroin. 551.3378 440 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 551.3378 (pause 0.16) 551.4979 441 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 551.4979 Uh, 551.9552 442 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 551.9552 (pause 0.67) 552.6224 443 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 552.6224 so she really didn't know- 554.1384 444 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 554.1384 (pause 0.15) 554.2890 445 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 554.2890 know, uh, 555.2454 446 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 555.2454 (pause 0.10) 555.3495 447 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 555.3495 what we were dealing with. 556.1961 448 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 556.1961 (pause 0.53) 556.7256 449 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 556.7256 She knew that we smoked weed and we were smoking- growing it in the backyard in the- in the- in the alley or whatever. 561.6959 450 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 561.6959 (pause 0.33) 562.0241 451 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 562.0241 We were coming out she would smell it on us and she would like you know- 564.4848 452 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 564.4848 (pause 0.67) 565.1531 453 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 565.1531 you know say how she was- how she didn't- she hated that we smoked that stuff. 568.5582 454 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 568.5582 (pause 0.68) 569.2385 455 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 569.2385 But you know my father- she wouldn't tell my father because she wanted to protect us from my father cause my father was a strict- 574.1025 456 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 574.1025 (pause 0.58) 574.6828 457 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 574.6828 strict disciplinarian when- if he found out /if we-/ we- we were- we were doing something like that, you know, 578.7624 458 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 578.7624 (pause 0.55) 579.3102 459 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 579.3102 uh, he w- you know he woulda came down hard on us so she kept it from him. 582.6486 460 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 582.6486 (pause 0.52) 583.1658 461 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 583.1658 And by him not really knowing what was going on, uh, 585.5869 462 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 585.5869 (pause 0.75) 586.3370 463 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 586.3370 pretty much- it went on unchecked. 587.9137 464 DCB_int_01 588.4197 Mm. 588.7451 465 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 589.1481 So uh, 589.9805 466 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 589.9805 (pause 0.18) 590.1646 467 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 590.1646 so that's how it pretty much was um- 592.0174 468 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 592.0174 (pause 0.86) 592.8813 469 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 592.8813 so /also/ my old- one of my older brothers second from my oldest uh, he- 596.4654 470 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 596.4654 (pause 0.45) 596.9148 471 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 596.9148 he eventually uh- he had a good job working at the printing office as a, um, 600.1414 472 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 600.1414 (pause 0.80) 600.9384 473 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 600.9384 you know um, as- I can't s- /he-/ think he was doing some kind of printing work with the 604.2759 474 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 604.2759 (pause 0.26) 604.5378 475 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 604.5378 printing office. 605.1101 476 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 605.1101 (pause 0.45) 605.5623 477 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 605.5623 He eventually 606.3146 478 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 606.3146 (pause 0.26) 606.5725 479 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 606.5725 started 607.1499 480 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 607.1499 (pause 0.48) 607.6290 481 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 607.6290 you know injecting too 608.7153 482 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 608.7153 (pause 0.14) 608.8594 483 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 608.8594 along with me and my other bro- my brother /that was/ one- 610.7602 484 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 610.7602 (pause 0.18) 610.9443 485 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 610.9443 two years older than uh, myself. 612.3686 486 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 612.3686 (pause 0.60) 612.9688 487 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 612.9688 So 613.2901 488 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 613.2901 (pause 0.52) 613.8092 489 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 613.8092 we all were injecting together. So we pretty much stayed together us three. 616.9705 490 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 616.9705 (pause 0.50) 617.4669 491 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 617.4669 You know uh, 618.5922 492 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 618.5922 (pause 0.21) 618.8070 493 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 618.8070 you know 619.2472 494 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 619.2472 (pause 0.53) 619.7795 495 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 619.7795 scheming and hustling and- and you know doing what we could to get money you know to support our heroin habits. 624.4092 496 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 624.4092 (pause 0.42) 624.8254 497 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 624.8254 My oldest brother was a metropolitan police officer, he was uh, 627.3825 498 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 627.3825 (pause 0.30) 627.6787 499 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 627.6787 he was a Vietnam War vet from the nine- from the s- uh, sixty seven, 630.9707 500 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 630.9707 (pause 0.46) 631.4319 501 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 631.4319 sixty six, sixty seven. He came home, 633.5319 502 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 633.5319 (pause 0.45) 633.9789 503 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 633.9789 he, uh, got a job as a metropolitan police officer. 636.3618 504 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 636.3618 (pause 0.18) 636.5418 505 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 636.5418 He worked for- 637.2832 506 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 637.2832 (pause 0.52) 637.7984 507 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 637.7984 he worked as a metropolitan police officer for some years and then he eventually was uh, kind of railroaded 642.2543 508 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 642.2543 (pause 0.43) 642.6820 509 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 642.6820 out of the police department, he eventually sued them 645.1231 510 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 645.1231 (pause 0.35) 645.4713 511 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 645.4713 and uh, won his lawsuit 646.7959 512 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 646.7959 (pause 0.38) 647.1796 513 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 647.1796 and was reinstated. 648.0449 514 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 648.0449 (pause 0.75) 648.7924 515 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 648.7924 And he uh, he worked til uh, til his retirement in nineteen ninety eight. 652.3454 516 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 652.3454 (pause 0.54) 652.8840 517 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 652.8840 Five years after his retirement in two thousand three, 655.1547 518 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 655.1547 (pause 0.48) 655.6328 519 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 655.6328 you know, he- he had a heart attack. 656.9342 520 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 656.9342 (pause 0.14) 657.0695 521 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 657.0695 [You know passed] away at fifty four. 658.2180 522 DCB_int_01 657.1135 [Mm.] 657.5309 523 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 659.0242 Um, 659.3482 524 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 659.3482 (pause 1.00) 660.3488 525 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 660.3488 I had, uh, my brother that I used heroin with for, 662.9737 526 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 662.9737 (pause 0.45) 663.4257 527 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 663.4257 uh, for all those years m- from the 665.7175 528 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 665.7175 (pause 0.47) 666.1910 529 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 666.1910 late sixties like, early seventies, 668.5161 530 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 668.5161 (pause 0.16) 668.6717 531 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 668.6717 you know into the- 669.4624 532 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 669.4624 (pause 0.38) 669.8402 533 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 669.8402 into the uh, eighties 671.0728 534 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 671.0728 (pause 0.13) 671.2009 535 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 671.2009 uh, 671.6462 536 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 671.6462 (pause 0.69) 672.3374 537 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 672.3374 he suffered a- 673.4779 538 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 673.4779 (pause 0.81) 674.2898 539 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 674.2898 he suffered a stroke 675.3499 540 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 675.3499 (pause 0.82) 676.1747 541 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 676.1747 in 676.7390 542 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 676.7390 (pause 1.00) 677.7434 543 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 677.7434 ninety 679.1634 544 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 679.1634 (pause 0.54) 679.7079 545 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 679.7079 one. 680.0466 546 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 680.0466 (pause 0.75) 680.7924 547 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 680.7924 In ninety one and um, 682.2354 548 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 682.2354 (pause 0.36) 682.5972 549 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 682.5972 he had uh, gotten clean off of heroin uh, somewhere around about nineteen- 686.0492 550 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 686.0492 (pause 0.50) 686.5466 551 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 686.5466 I think around about nineteen eighty 688.3746 552 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 688.3746 (pause 0.17) 688.5453 553 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 688.5453 eight or eighty nine somewhere /about-/ around eighty nine he had got clean. 691.8546 554 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 691.8546 (pause 0.53) 692.3888 555 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 692.3888 Uh, so he was clean from like eighty-nine up until the time uh, of his death because he contracted AIDS the HIV virus. 697.7891 556 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 697.7891 (pause 0.56) 698.3489 557 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 698.3489 HIV AIDS in nineteen eighty-four he found out he had the vi- the virus HIV AIDS. 702.3328 558 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 702.3328 (pause 0.91) 703.2449 559 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 703.2449 And um, 703.7836 560 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 703.7836 (pause 1.12) 704.9035 561 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 704.9035 he had- he suffered a stroke in 706.2841 562 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 706.2841 (pause 0.27) 706.5562 563 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 706.5562 ninety-one, November and then 707.8768 564 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 707.8768 (pause 0.47) 708.3486 565 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 708.3486 uh, he was then hospitalized and then they found he had other complications going on, 711.5421 566 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 711.5421 (pause 0.47) 712.0143 567 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 712.0143 and they- 712.4530 568 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 712.4530 (pause 0.54) 712.9965 569 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 712.9965 mm with the virus he- they started giving him /AGT/ and eventually 716.0472 570 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 716.0472 (pause 0.39) 716.4399 571 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 716.4399 he kind of like you know it- it took it's toll on his body. 718.9452 572 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 718.9452 (pause 0.44) 719.3888 573 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 719.3888 And January twenty fourth of nineteen ninety two he passed away. 722.4902 574 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 722.4902 (pause 0.49) 722.9824 575 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 722.9824 My father was having complications with COPD, 725.3711 576 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 725.3711 (pause 0.52) 725.8953 577 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 725.8953 you know c- um, 726.7567 578 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 726.7567 (pause 0.71) 727.4640 579 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 727.4640 you know it's like /where-/ it's like 728.7734 580 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 728.7734 (pause 1.66) 730.4330 581 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 730.4330 it's called- I think it's called COPD uh, /??/ 732.6780 582 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 732.6780 (pause 0.67) 733.3463 583 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 733.3463 COPD car- cardio 735.0156 584 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 735.0156 (pause 0.30) 735.3148 585 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 735.3148 obstruction pulmonary something uh, disorder. 737.3477 586 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 737.3477 (pause 0.17) 737.5198 587 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 737.5198 Something like that. 738.1464 588 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 738.1464 (pause 0.90) 739.0485 589 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 739.0485 But uh, 739.5047 590 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 739.5047 (pause 0.24) 739.7408 591 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 739.7408 he- 740.2768 592 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 740.2768 (pause 0.69) 740.9689 593 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 740.9689 it's a respiratory disease, I have it myself so uh, he- 743.7556 594 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 743.7556 (pause 0.35) 744.1064 595 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 744.1064 he was having problems with his respiratory disease, he had smoked for like about fifty something years. 748.0144 596 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 748.0144 (pause 0.53) 748.5399 597 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 748.5399 Or sixty years and um, 749.8973 598 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 749.8973 (pause 0.42) 750.3155 599 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 750.3155 750.3736 600 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 750.3736 (pause 0.18) 750.5516 601 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 750.5516 my father like about seventy one I think when he died, 752.9037 602 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 752.9037 (pause 0.57) 753.4778 603 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 753.4778 he died like four months after my brother died in ninety two. 756.0270 604 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 756.0270 (pause 0.13) 756.1586 605 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 756.1586 You know, from- from the uh, respiratory disease. 758.0994 606 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 758.0994 (pause 0.62) 758.7197 607 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 758.7197 So um, 759.7157 608 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 759.7157 (pause 0.84) 760.5544 609 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 760.5544 pretty much um, 761.8710 610 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 761.8710 (pause 1.57) 763.4415 611 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 763.4415 my sisters they didn't- they didn't have those 765.9466 612 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 765.9466 (pause 0.11) 766.0557 613 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 766.0557 problems I did have one sister that- 767.6564 614 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 767.6564 (pause 0.18) 767.8325 615 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 767.8325 that used- uh, snorted heroin for a while, 770.9885 616 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 770.9885 (pause 0.22) 771.2064 617 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 771.2064 um, 771.7546 618 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 771.7546 (pause 0.82) 772.5750 619 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 772.5750 she snorted for a short period of time 774.5199 620 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 774.5199 (pause 0.25) 774.7675 621 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 774.7675 and uh, 775.2649 622 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 775.2649 (pause 0.37) 775.6359 623 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 775.6359 she had certain- some friends that she hung with 777.7169 624 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 777.7169 (pause 0.48) 778.1971 625 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 778.1971 that- that did it, you know, but she didn't- she didn't actually do it with us. 781.4124 626 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 781.4124 (pause 0.45) 781.8624 627 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 781.8624 But she did it with her friends, 783.2790 628 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 783.2790 (pause 0.38) 783.6592 629 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 783.6592 and then she did heroin for a while, she snorted she never shot. 786.5543 630 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 786.5543 (pause 0.55) 787.1021 631 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 787.1021 But eventually when she went from uh, heroin- 789.8794 632 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 789.8794 (pause 0.27) 790.1475 633 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 790.1475 snorting heroin to c- uh, 791.6062 634 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 791.6062 (pause 0.93) 792.5326 635 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 792.5326 wasn't crack cocaine but it was freebasing. 794.2433 636 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 794.2433 (pause 0.40) 794.6411 637 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 794.6411 You know 794.9813 638 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 794.9813 (pause 0.31) 795.2934 639 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 795.2934 the difference between freebasing and crack cocaine is like 797.6203 640 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 797.6203 (pause 0.36) 797.9844 641 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 797.9844 freebasing you pretty much 799.1049 642 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 799.1049 (pause 0.44) 799.5492 643 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 799.5492 you prepare it yourself. 800.5936 644 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 800.5936 (pause 0.32) 800.9093 645 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 800.9093 You know. 801.2493 646 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 801.2493 (pause 0.54) 801.7897 647 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 801.7897 You have to know how to cook it up you have to know what ingredients to put in, 804.3039 648 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 804.3039 (pause 0.43) 804.7351 649 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 804.7351 in the- in the- uh, the water and everything and 807.5498 650 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 807.5498 (pause 0.44) 807.9944 651 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 807.9944 uh, what to add. 809.1127 652 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 809.1127 (pause 0.60) 809.7169 653 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 809.7169 So she was th- she was freebasing so 811.8619 654 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 811.8619 (pause 0.50) 812.3599 655 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 812.3599 freebasing, 813.0723 656 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 813.0723 (pause 0.18) 813.2563 657 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 813.2563 preparing it herself, 814.3809 658 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 814.3809 (pause 0.41) 814.7886 659 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 814.7886 and she did that for a while eventually she uh, 817.1129 660 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 817.1129 (pause 0.67) 817.7780 661 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 817.7780 then she stop- stopped doing that in like 820.0630 662 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 820.0630 (pause 0.44) 820.5028 663 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 820.5028 /it was/ uh, nineteen- 821.8114 664 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 821.8114 (pause 1.48) 823.2881 665 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 823.2881 think somewhere around nineteen eighty six. 825.6121 666 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 825.6121 (pause 0.94) 826.5513 667 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 826.5513 Because yeah, she was doing it back in the um- 828.7007 668 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 828.7007 (pause 0.56) 829.2601 669 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 829.2601 in like the early eighties. 830.3566 670 DCB_int_01 830.4767 [Mm.] 830.8329 671 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 830.6328 [And-] and uh, 831.5648 672 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 832.7715 I think she stopped doing it in like nineteen eighty six and uh, 835.1046 673 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 835.1046 (pause 0.35) 835.4585 674 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 835.4585 I started uh, freebasing at nineteen eighty-eight my mother had a heart attack, massive heart attack, she died. 840.5507 675 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 840.5507 (pause 0.57) 841.1207 676 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 841.1207 Um, cause she died like four years before my dad and my brother. 843.3377 677 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 843.3377 (pause 0.69) 844.0278 678 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 844.0278 My mom, she had a massive heart attack in eighty eight, I was- we were- 846.9149 679 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 846.9149 (pause 0.10) 847.0190 680 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 847.0190 my brothers and I m- I- 848.5677 681 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 848.5677 (pause 0.37) 848.9416 682 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 848.9416 even my brother had passed in ninety two 850.5343 683 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 850.5343 (pause 0.35) 850.8820 684 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 850.8820 he was still alive then. 851.9505 685 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 851.9505 (pause 0.56) 852.5148 686 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 852.5148 And my other- my second oldest brother we were shooting heroin but we were shooting 856.0885 687 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 856.0885 (pause 0.13) 856.2205 688 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 856.2205 powder cocaine too. 857.2850 689 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 857.2850 (pause 0.71) 857.9929 690 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 857.9929 So we were shooting powder cocaine and- and uh, around that time in nineteen eighty eight 861.8551 691 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 861.8551 (pause 0.80) 862.6586 692 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 862.6586 uh, 863.1308 693 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 863.1308 (pause 0.96) 864.0952 694 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 864.0952 for a short period of time, 865.4672 695 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 865.4672 (pause 1.19) 866.6622 696 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 866.6622 uh, 867.1542 697 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 867.1542 (pause 0.38) 867.5306 698 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 867.5306 they- it- 868.1039 699 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 868.1039 (pause 0.15) 868.2549 700 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 868.2549 we were shooting powder cocaine 869.8237 701 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 869.8237 (pause 0.35) 870.1776 702 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 870.1776 in maybe like eighty- 871.5382 703 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 871.5382 (pause 0.72) 872.2581 704 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 872.2581 think we was shooting powder cocaine at eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight. 875.2084 705 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 875.2084 (pause 0.52) 875.7317 706 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 875.7317 And um, 876.2159 707 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 876.2159 (pause 0.97) 877.1821 708 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 877.1821 that- 877.5941 709 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 877.5941 (pause 0.13) 877.7224 710 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 877.7224 then uh, 878.4565 711 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 878.4565 (pause 0.14) 878.5966 712 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 878.5966 the- the young- y- what do you call 'em, the youngsters, you know young guys 882.1480 713 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 882.1480 (pause 0.38) 882.5281 714 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 882.5281 they were switching over to 883.8539 715 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 883.8539 (pause 0.15) 884.0088 716 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 884.0088 rock cocaine it was /right-/ Rayful Edmonds period. 885.9075 717 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 885.9075 (pause 0.55) 886.4557 718 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 886.4557 You know Rayful Edmonds you remember- you heard of him, right? 888.2931 719 DCB_int_01 888.4722 Mm-mm. 888.9135 720 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 889.1485 Rayful Edmonds was like a drug kingpin in Washington DC he was pretty much like a her- uh, 892.8885 721 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 892.8885 (pause 0.82) 893.7044 722 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 893.7044 cocaine 894.3644 723 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 894.3644 (pause 0.28) 894.6488 724 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 894.6488 kingpin 895.2675 725 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 895.2675 (pause 0.16) 895.4252 726 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 895.4252 uh, 895.8134 727 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 895.8134 (pause 0.69) 896.5012 728 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 896.5012 trafficker and everything he, uh, 898.2100 729 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 898.2100 (pause 0.19) 898.3981 730 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 898.3981 pretty much had a c- had a monopoly on like the cocaine market. 901.4900 731 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 901.4900 (pause 0.46) 901.9535 732 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 901.9535 He was like the big- the big- the big shot in DC that was like transporting, 905.5707 733 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 905.5707 (pause 0.31) 905.8771 734 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 905.8771 uh, 906.2184 735 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 906.2184 (pause 0.30) 906.5209 736 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 906.5209 cocaine from like California to DC. 908.5259 737 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 908.5259 (pause 0.38) 908.9020 738 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 908.9020 You know having it come in in kilos every- every- every week. 911.4819 739 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 911.4819 (pause 0.49) 911.9732 740 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 911.9732 And uh, 912.4319 741 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 912.4319 (pause 0.49) 912.9257 742 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 912.9257 a lot- lot of the guys in DC that were selling crack cocaine back in the eight- 916.4468 743 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 916.4468 (pause 0.17) 916.6189 744 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 916.6189 uh, late eighties, early nineties 918.1442 745 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 918.1442 (pause 0.46) 918.6038 746 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 918.6038 they w- uh, 919.1985 747 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 919.1985 (pause 0.34) 919.5420 748 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 919.5420 they actually- 920.1023 749 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 920.1023 (pause 0.62) 920.7226 750 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 920.7226 well late eighties primarily, they were like actually uh, selling it 923.8658 751 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 923.8658 (pause 0.47) 924.3398 752 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 924.3398 uh, 924.6479 753 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 924.6479 (pause 0.47) 925.1201 754 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 925.1201 selling powder cocaine too they were selling it because 927.3812 755 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 927.3812 (pause 0.21) 927.5871 756 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 927.5871 uh, from what Rayful Edmonds had brought in. 929.1798 757 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 929.1798 (pause 0.69) 929.8699 758 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 929.8699 So he was the- he was the her- he was the ki- uh, 931.6627 759 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 931.6627 (pause 0.11) 931.7708 760 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 931.7708 the cocaine, uh, 932.7992 761 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 932.7992 (pause 0.10) 932.8953 762 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 932.8953 kingpin. 933.4014 763 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 933.4014 (pause 0.75) 934.1474 764 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 934.1474 And eventually they- I think they busted him around about eighty nine somewhere around the time I was- I was incarcerated cause I got locked up in eighty- 940.0759 765 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 940.0759 (pause 0.50) 940.5721 766 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 940.5721 eighty-nine, I stayed locked up for seven months so while I was incarcerated, 943.6633 767 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 943.6633 (pause 0.41) 944.0751 768 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 944.0751 uh, we heard about Rayful had got busted. 945.6278 769 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 945.6278 (pause 0.54) 946.1720 770 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 946.1720 And he turned a lot of evidence on 947.5047 771 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 947.5047 (pause 0.34) 947.8448 772 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 947.8448 a lot of the people that 948.5932 773 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 948.5932 (pause 0.21) 948.7990 774 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 948.7990 were asso- were associated with him. 950.1917 775 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 950.1917 (pause 0.44) 950.6279 776 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 950.6279 So a lot of people went down, 951.9239 777 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 951.9239 (pause 0.49) 952.4122 778 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 952.4122 you know, as a result of him 953.3296 779 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 953.3296 (pause 0.30) 953.6328 780 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 953.6328 getting locked up. 954.4172 781 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 954.4172 (pause 0.85) 955.2696 782 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 955.2696 But like I say when a- 956.1420 783 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 956.1420 (pause 0.14) 956.2776 784 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 956.2776 when a young 956.7978 785 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 956.7978 (pause 0.20) 956.9979 786 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 956.9979 guy starts switching from 958.2465 787 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 958.2465 (pause 0.52) 958.7627 788 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 958.7627 powder cocaine to crack cocaine in nineteen eighty eight 961.1251 789 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 961.1251 (pause 0.74) 961.8619 790 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 961.8619 um, 962.4619 791 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 962.4619 (pause 1.01) 963.4747 792 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 963.4747 that was like the year my mom died I was- I was shooting cocaine, the night my mom died I was shooting cocaine all night long. 968.3605 793 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 968.3605 (pause 0.73) 969.0888 794 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 969.0888 Uh, you know just to numb myself against, you know, 971.0657 795 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 971.0657 (pause 1.06) 972.1257 796 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 972.1257 the, you know, grief of her passing. 973.4964 797 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 973.4964 (pause 0.61) 974.1026 798 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 974.1026 But um, 974.6466 799 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 974.6466 (pause 0.88) 975.5291 800 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 975.5291 we started like uh- 976.8377 801 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 976.8377 (pause 0.47) 977.3059 802 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 977.3059 they started selling the crack cocaine I said I would never do it because I remember my sister used to freebase, I used to smell it, 981.7617 803 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 981.7617 (pause 0.35) 982.1157 804 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 982.1157 and I would say I- I would never do it. 983.4723 805 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 983.4723 (pause 0.59) 984.0663 806 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 984.0663 /When they/, uh, 985.4110 807 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 985.4110 (pause 0.67) 986.0850 808 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 986.0850 the crack cocaine they started 987.5217 809 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 987.5217 (pause 0.35) 987.8739 810 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 987.8739 selling that, people were smoking it. 989.4106 811 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 989.4106 (pause 0.40) 989.8143 812 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 989.8143 You know I thought it was stupid, you know um, 991.8610 813 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 991.8610 (pause 0.58) 992.4435 814 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 992.4435 eventually I saw it as a means of like me hustling and selling some of it, 995.6027 815 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 995.6027 (pause 0.62) 996.2248 816 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 996.2248 you know support my heroin habit, you know, and um, 998.6981 817 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 998.6981 (pause 0.46) 999.1622 818 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 999.1622 I did it for a minute but eventually 1000.8647 819 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1000.8647 (pause 0.42) 1001.2804 820 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1001.2804 I w- I tr- started trying it myself but I didn't know what- what to look for in the high, didn't know what to expect from the high so I was smoking it. 1006.5949 821 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1006.5949 (pause 0.41) 1007.0089 822 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1007.0089 So I was with this girl one da- one night, 1008.5376 823 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1008.5376 (pause 0.36) 1008.8937 824 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1008.8937 and uh, 1009.3219 825 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1009.3219 (pause 0.47) 1009.7879 826 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1009.7879 she and I were like having sex together and we was like you know, 1012.0009 827 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1012.0009 (pause 0.27) 1012.2668 828 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1012.2668 getting high together and I was smoking the crack and I was saying, 1014.5561 829 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1014.5561 (pause 0.36) 1014.9138 830 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1014.9138 what- you know, what /do you-/ what are you supposed to get from it? She kept telling me, 1017.9112 831 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1017.9112 (pause 0.46) 1018.3732 832 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1018.3732 you know I was gonna feel it, I was gonna get something from it, just keep smoking it. 1021.3666 833 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1021.3666 (pause 0.43) 1021.7925 834 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1021.7925 So I kept smoking it, I really didn't- didn't- didn't- didn't 1024.3115 835 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1024.3115 (pause 0.22) 1024.5294 836 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1024.5294 feel anything because 1025.5734 837 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1025.5734 (pause 0.54) 1026.1101 838 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1026.1101 uh, I didn't know what to look for. 1027.3394 839 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1027.3394 (pause 0.18) 1027.5187 840 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1027.5187 You know? 1027.9309 841 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1027.9309 (pause 0.10) 1028.0270 842 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1028.0270 And 1028.4592 843 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1028.4592 (pause 0.23) 1028.6908 844 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1028.6908 it- it just- it didn't hit me- it didn't hit me right away. 1030.8160 845 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1030.8160 (pause 0.52) 1031.3360 846 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1031.3360 But uh, after I smoked it for a period of time eventually 1035.0275 847 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1035.0275 (pause 0.45) 1035.4735 848 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1035.4735 I started to kn- to you know know what to expect from it, 1037.8146 849 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1037.8146 (pause 0.23) 1038.0427 850 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1038.0427 you know, so. 1038.6720 851 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1038.6720 (pause 0.65) 1039.3170 852 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1039.3170 Uh, 1039.8613 853 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1039.8613 (pause 0.19) 1040.0534 854 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1040.0534 from nineteen- 1041.2019 855 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1041.2019 (pause 0.26) 1041.4656 856 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1041.4656 I say around nineteen 1042.4629 857 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1042.4629 (pause 0.71) 1043.1704 858 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1043.1704 uh- 1043.6984 859 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1043.6984 (pause 0.80) 1044.4950 860 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1044.4950 let's see nineteen eighty eight- 1045.8123 861 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1045.8123 (pause 0.87) 1046.6858 862 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1046.6858 yeah nineteen eighty eight to uh- 1048.7671 863 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1048.7671 (pause 1.45) 1050.2212 864 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1050.2212 on up to 1050.9358 865 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1050.9358 (pause 0.43) 1051.3697 866 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1051.3697 ninety seven 1052.1644 867 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1052.1644 (pause 0.54) 1052.7041 868 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1052.7041 you know I was pretty much 1054.1487 869 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1054.1487 (pause 0.14) 1054.2888 870 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1054.2888 doing- 1054.9328 871 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1054.9328 (pause 0.68) 1055.6090 872 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1055.6090 /I mean- I'm even/ I was locked up in eighty nine for seven months but from nineteen eighty eight to 1059.4027 873 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1059.4027 (pause 0.38) 1059.7829 874 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1059.7829 ninety seven I was pretty much doing 1061.5735 875 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1061.5735 (pause 0.59) 1062.1618 876 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1062.1618 heroin, shooting heroin, 1063.7777 877 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1063.7777 (pause 0.30) 1064.0742 878 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1064.0742 uh, and smoking crack cocaine. 1066.1222 879 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1066.1222 (pause 0.40) 1066.5193 880 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1066.5193 You know, 1066.7980 881 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1066.7980 (pause 0.21) 1067.0115 882 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1067.0115 I wasn't really smoking any more reefer at that time too much. 1069.7426 883 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1069.7426 (pause 0.59) 1070.3326 884 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1070.3326 You know, occasionally. That wasn't- that wasn't- that was no longer 1072.9562 885 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1072.9562 (pause 0.41) 1073.3638 886 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1073.3638 uh, a t- a choice drug for me cause I was doing the hard stuff. 1076.1423 887 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1076.1423 (pause 0.97) 1077.1091 888 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1077.1091 So I did that for a while but uh, 1078.8410 889 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1078.8410 (pause 0.20) 1079.0459 890 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1079.0459 kind of left out one part. 1080.1726 891 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1080.1726 (pause 0.57) 1080.7445 892 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1080.7445 You know, in nineteen seventy two, 1083.6699 893 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1083.6699 (pause 0.67) 1084.3382 894 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1084.3382 um, 1084.7383 895 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1084.7383 (pause 1.00) 1085.7424 896 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1085.7424 my brothers, you know, we- 1086.9730 897 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1086.9730 (pause 0.91) 1087.8833 898 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1087.8833 we did the heroin for a lot of years but 1089.9483 899 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1089.9483 (pause 0.50) 1090.4481 900 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1090.4481 my brother that was two years older than me 1092.2089 901 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1092.2089 (pause 0.19) 1092.4010 902 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1092.4010 we used to hang together and we hung with some guys and 1094.5700 903 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1094.5700 (pause 0.56) 1095.1280 904 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1095.1280 um, 1095.6002 905 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1095.6002 (pause 0.18) 1095.7843 906 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1095.7843 uh, 1096.1405 907 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1096.1405 (pause 0.48) 1096.6167 908 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1096.6167 back in nineteen 1097.7114 909 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1097.7114 (pause 0.70) 1098.4153 910 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1098.4153 seventy- 1099.1756 911 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1099.1756 (pause 0.32) 1099.4918 912 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1099.4918 around s- 1101.0125 913 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1101.0125 (pause 0.47) 1101.4802 914 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1101.4802 around nineteen seventy one- 1102.9689 915 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1102.9689 (pause 1.45) 1104.4216 916 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1104.4216 nineteen seventy or seventy one, there was guy in uh, in uh, DC, c- and his name was Colonel 1108.3692 917 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1108.3692 (pause 0.32) 1108.6911 918 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1108.6911 /Hassan/. 1109.2978 919 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1109.2978 (pause 0.58) 1109.8734 920 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1109.8734 And Colonel Hassan had a um, 1111.6262 921 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1111.6262 (pause 0.63) 1112.2603 922 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1112.2603 he was trying to like get people off of drugs, 1114.5374 923 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1114.5374 (pause 0.41) 1114.9496 924 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1114.9496 and he uh, had these uh, 1116.5303 925 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1116.5303 (pause 0.12) 1116.6521 926 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1116.6521 pills they call- they call dolophines. 1118.4907 927 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1118.4907 (pause 0.66) 1119.1550 928 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1119.1550 And the dolophines were like uh, more like a heroin substitute, you know, they- 1123.0346 929 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1123.0346 (pause 0.73) 1123.7687 930 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1123.7687 you know you took the pills and you got high but you know it wasn't- it- it wasn't- it wasn't illegal you know but he was able to like 1129.6898 931 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1129.6898 (pause 0.57) 1130.2592 932 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1130.2592 i- you know, 1130.9712 933 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1130.9712 (pause 0.19) 1131.1597 934 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1131.1597 issue out those pills, you know, to people that would sign for 'em. 1134.0903 935 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1134.0903 (pause 0.59) 1134.6808 936 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1134.6808 And so we would go up to this hotel called White Hotel and he had his own 1138.1784 937 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1138.1784 (pause 0.36) 1138.5342 938 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1138.5342 um, like uh, 1139.7301 939 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1139.7301 (pause 0.28) 1140.0148 940 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1140.0148 it was like military style, uh, 1141.7628 941 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1141.7628 (pause 0.38) 1142.1478 942 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1142.1478 uh, army of guys 1143.4398 943 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1143.4398 (pause 0.40) 1143.8361 944 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1143.8361 you know that had on like the green army like 1146.0812 945 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1146.0812 (pause 0.21) 1146.2933 946 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1146.2933 type uniforms and 1147.2777 947 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1147.2777 (pause 0.39) 1147.6659 948 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1147.6659 they were uh, they were his soldiers and stuff so it was Colonel Hassan's army 1150.9686 949 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1150.9686 (pause 0.41) 1151.3832 950 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1151.3832 you know. 1151.7113 951 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1151.7113 (pause 0.09) 1151.7994 952 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1151.7994 But they would like be the ones that would 1153.4401 953 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1153.4401 (pause 0.59) 1154.0319 954 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1154.0319 s- you know s- have us sign the forms you know to get the pills. 1157.1094 955 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1157.1094 (pause 0.39) 1157.4953 956 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1157.4953 So we would go over there every day and get the pills and you know /?/ we would use 'em 1160.5006 957 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1160.5006 (pause 0.52) 1161.0187 958 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1161.0187 until that- that program fizzled out and then we uh- 1163.7894 959 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1163.7894 (pause 0.66) 1164.4461 960 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1164.4461 they uh, 1165.4319 961 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1165.4319 (pause 0.12) 1165.5483 962 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1165.5483 brought this program in called like the NTA, that was Narcotics Treatment Association. 1168.9190 963 DCB_int_01 1168.9837 [Mm-hm.] 1169.4919 964 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1169.3399 [They] came in, they had this /pr-/ uh, 1171.5052 965 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1172.1087 had this pill called methadone. 1173.2652 966 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1173.2652 (pause 0.12) 1173.3853 967 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1173.3853 Methadone was like 1174.4373 968 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1174.4373 (pause 0.49) 1174.9260 969 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1174.9260 um, 1175.5193 970 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1175.5193 (pause 0.33) 1175.8504 971 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1175.8504 it was like a pill, we called it a biscuit. 1177.4563 972 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1177.4563 (pause 0.10) 1177.5587 973 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1177.5587 It had like four sec- sections to it. 1179.2075 974 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1179.2075 (pause 0.44) 1179.6477 975 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1179.6477 So the bis- the methadone biscuit was like when you sign up for the program, 1183.1595 976 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1183.1595 (pause 0.41) 1183.5651 977 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1183.5651 you would go to the program, 1184.7656 978 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1184.7656 (pause 0.20) 1184.9617 979 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1184.9617 they would give you 1185.7261 980 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1185.7261 (pause 0.34) 1186.0622 981 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1186.0622 maybe like a quarter of the biscuit they would put it in 1188.4131 982 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1188.4131 (pause 0.35) 1188.7652 983 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1188.7652 little bit of water and they would stir it up. 1190.3580 984 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1190.3580 (pause 0.57) 1190.9240 985 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1190.9240 And then you would drink it and drink some orange juice behind it cause it was really nasty, right? 1194.2873 986 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1194.2873 (pause 0.45) 1194.7403 987 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1194.7403 So once you drink it, 1195.6549 988 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1195.6549 (pause 0.54) 1196.1907 989 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1196.1907 it would- it wa- it was a substitute for 1198.3801 990 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1198.3801 (pause 0.14) 1198.5241 991 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1198.5241 the heroin, just like it is today, methadone is a substitute for heroin 1201.6481 992 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1201.6481 (pause 0.39) 1202.0335 993 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1202.0335 to get people 1202.7642 994 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1202.7642 (pause 0.55) 1203.3106 995 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1203.3106 off of, you know, heroin dependency, you know, but then they become 1206.2729 996 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1206.2729 (pause 0.55) 1206.8203 997 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1206.8203 methadone dependent. 1207.6643 998 DCB_int_01 1208.4285 [Mm-hm.] 1208.7933 999 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1208.4765 [You know.] 1208.8098 1000 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1209.2206 But since it's legal and since it's a drug and it's legal 1211.6233 1001 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1211.6233 (pause 0.18) 1211.8034 1002 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1211.8034 then they can treat you 1212.8261 1003 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1212.8261 (pause 0.35) 1213.1718 1004 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1213.1718 but they don't- they don't get- actually get you off of 1215.3755 1005 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1215.3755 (pause 0.70) 1216.0717 1006 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1216.0717 you know the addiction. 1217.1087 1007 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1217.1087 (pause 0.21) 1217.3151 1008 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1217.3151 You they /run/ from one addiction to another. 1219.3284 1009 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1219.3284 (pause 1.17) 1220.4934 1010 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1220.4934 So we took the methadone for a while but we would buy the biscuits illegally on the street. 1224.4926 1011 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1224.4926 (pause 0.55) 1225.0398 1012 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1225.0398 Cause people were selling methadone biscuits. 1226.7225 1013 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1226.7225 (pause 0.30) 1227.0227 1014 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1227.0227 You know, and so you could buy a methadone pill, 1229.4197 1015 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1229.4197 (pause 0.55) 1229.9703 1016 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1229.9703 uh, 1230.3064 1017 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1230.3064 (pause 0.85) 1231.1514 1018 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1231.1514 then you know you- you /would/ have to be in the program but you would- there- it would keep you high 1235.2534 1019 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1235.2534 (pause 0.34) 1235.5970 1020 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1235.5970 for a long period of time. 1236.7237 1021 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1236.7237 (pause 0.22) 1236.9461 1022 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1236.9461 You know in the beginning of using heroin- 1238.7658 1023 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1238.7658 (pause 0.47) 1239.2363 1024 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1239.2363 when we first started using heroin, heroin was so good it- it- if we 1242.6784 1025 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1242.6784 (pause 0.30) 1242.9811 1026 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1242.9811 snort it- snorted or shot it 1244.9064 1027 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1244.9064 (pause 0.56) 1245.4679 1028 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1245.4679 it would keep us high all day. 1246.8458 1029 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1246.8458 (pause 0.30) 1247.1435 1030 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1247.1435 You know 1247.5688 1031 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1247.5688 (pause 0.27) 1247.8348 1032 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1247.8348 I mean just from one dose. 1249.0687 1033 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1249.0687 (pause 0.11) 1249.1791 1034 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1249.1791 You know. 1249.4863 1035 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1249.4863 (pause 0.46) 1249.9473 1036 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1249.9473 And then as years went on, it- people started cutting it more and then 1253.2645 1037 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1253.2645 (pause 0.38) 1253.6487 1038 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1253.6487 uh, you know making it weaker you know 1255.7756 1039 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1255.7756 (pause 0.22) 1255.9915 1040 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1255.9915 uh, 1256.3955 1041 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1256.3955 (pause 0.41) 1256.8029 1042 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1256.8029 you had to uh, 1257.8735 1043 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1257.8735 (pause 0.70) 1258.5745 1044 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1258.5745 buy more and it would- it didn't last as long. 1260.6193 1045 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1260.6193 (pause 0.63) 1261.2486 1046 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1261.2486 But with the methadone and biscuits 1262.8138 1047 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1262.8138 (pause 0.29) 1263.1019 1048 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1263.1019 they lasted all day, sometimes they- they- you would even still 1265.8026 1049 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1265.8026 (pause 0.42) 1266.2225 1050 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1266.2225 uh, feel the effects of it the next day. 1267.8359 1051 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1267.8359 (pause 0.45) 1268.2868 1052 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1268.2868 You know. 1268.6709 1053 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1268.6709 (pause 0.33) 1268.9974 1054 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1268.9974 So um, 1269.8136 1055 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1269.8136 (pause 0.43) 1270.2457 1056 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1270.2457 we did that and then there was uh- 1271.8733 1057 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1271.8733 (pause 0.54) 1272.4109 1058 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1272.4109 people were OD-ing off the me- off biscuits too they took too much of it. 1275.1620 1059 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1275.1620 (pause 0.38) 1275.5461 1060 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1275.5461 We had a guy that we grew up with named /RD-NAME-2/ 1277.5959 1061 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1277.5959 (pause 0.36) 1277.9512 1062 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1277.9512 he uh, 1278.5610 1063 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1278.5610 (pause 0.98) 1279.5404 1064 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1279.5404 he bought uh, couple of biscuits and w- he w- he took uh- 1282.0754 1065 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1282.0754 (pause 0.83) 1282.9009 1066 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1282.9009 he took a whole biscuit 1283.8035 1067 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1283.8035 (pause 0.22) 1284.0244 1068 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1284.0244 and 1284.5573 1069 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1284.5573 (pause 1.63) 1286.1849 1070 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1286.1849 it didn't- he didn't feel the high come on fast enough. 1288.6527 1071 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1288.6527 (pause 0.10) 1288.7487 1072 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1288.7487 You know it was coming down real slow. 1290.1553 1073 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1290.1553 (pause 0.09) 1290.2466 1074 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1290.2466 It took a l- 1290.7603 1075 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1290.7603 (pause 0.35) 1291.1060 1076 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1291.1060 took about forty five minutes to maybe like couple of hours for it to really hit you all the way. 1295.1086 1077 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1295.1086 (pause 0.71) 1295.8155 1078 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1295.8155 So he was waiting for it to come down, the high to come down on him and he said he wasn't feeling it. 1300.4125 1079 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1300.4125 (pause 0.66) 1301.0726 1080 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1301.0726 So he said he was gonna take the other biscuit so we told him not to take it. 1303.7997 1081 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1303.7997 (pause 0.20) 1304.0013 1082 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1304.0013 You know. 1304.3854 1083 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1304.3854 (pause 0.46) 1304.8413 1084 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1304.8413 So we told him just wait a while, you know don't take it so he said he wasn't gonna take it but what he did was he snuck and took it. 1309.7385 1085 DCB_int_01 1310.5306 [Mm.] 1310.8306 1086 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1310.5738 [And he snuck] and took it and he sat down in a chair 1312.6051 1087 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1313.1759 and when it came down on him 1314.4346 1088 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1314.4346 (pause 0.23) 1314.6690 1089 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1314.6690 nobody- everybody thought he was nod- nodding or knocked out asleep, 1317.5833 1090 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1317.5833 (pause 0.44) 1318.0202 1091 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1318.0202 he had OD'd and he died. 1319.5421 1092 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1319.5421 (pause 0.25) 1319.7916 1093 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1319.7916 You know. 1320.1709 1094 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1320.1709 (pause 0.10) 1320.2717 1095 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1320.2717 So he was sitting in the chair dead and nobody really knew it. 1322.2498 1096 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1322.2498 (pause 0.72) 1322.9652 1097 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1322.9652 Um, 1323.3733 1098 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1323.3733 (pause 1.21) 1324.5877 1099 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1324.5877 so as the years went on I- I- I was in and out of methadone programs from nineteen- about nineteen 1329.5137 1100 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1329.5137 (pause 0.48) 1329.9936 1101 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1329.9936 seventy two 1330.8194 1102 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1330.8194 (pause 0.50) 1331.3187 1103 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1331.3187 or nineteen seventy four 1332.4710 1104 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1332.4710 (pause 0.25) 1332.7255 1105 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1332.7255 somewhere around the time, in and out of methadone programs 1334.9532 1106 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1334.9532 (pause 0.41) 1335.3660 1107 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1335.3660 from seventy two or seventy four all the way up until nineteen ninety- 1338.3460 1108 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1338.3460 (pause 0.37) 1338.7123 1109 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1338.7123 ninety eight. 1339.1736 1110 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1339.1736 (pause 0.98) 1340.1573 1111 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1340.1573 And I would get in the program and then I would either get kicked out for later on 1343.5613 1112 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1343.5613 (pause 0.45) 1344.0125 1113 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1344.0125 I- I- I did okay but I would either 1345.9569 1114 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1345.9569 (pause 0.21) 1346.1633 1115 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1346.1633 just stop going 1347.3684 1116 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1347.3684 (pause 0.32) 1347.6901 1117 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1347.6901 and go back to shooting heroin or either as the year- as the later years came we started doing the- 1351.3881 1118 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1351.3881 (pause 0.56) 1351.9485 1119 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1351.9485 th hero- the 1352.6686 1120 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1352.6686 (pause 0.16) 1352.8319 1121 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1352.8319 cocaine in the eighties when I would be in the methadone program 1355.0532 1122 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1355.0532 (pause 0.29) 1355.3428 1123 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1355.3428 I would get kicked out of the program because they find you with a- you get a dirty urine. 1358.4491 1124 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1358.4491 (pause 0.45) 1358.9002 1125 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1358.9002 With cocaine they would kick you out of the program. 1360.6842 1126 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1360.6842 (pause 0.12) 1360.8015 1127 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1360.8015 [So I-] 1361.1616 1128 DCB_int_01 1360.8351 [Mm.] 1361.0983 1129 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1361.4832 I got kicked out of the methadone program I would have to wait like six months, 1364.4552 1130 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1364.4552 (pause 0.51) 1364.9639 1131 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1364.9639 you know before I could come back in. 1366.1945 1132 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1366.1945 (pause 1.50) 1367.6908 1133 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1367.6908 So then after six months I would go back in, so then I would 1370.0578 1134 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1370.0578 (pause 0.25) 1370.3121 1135 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1370.3121 do okay for a while and 1371.4641 1136 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1371.4641 (pause 0.43) 1371.8917 1137 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1371.8917 I'd go back to shooting the 1372.7751 1138 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1372.7751 (pause 0.21) 1372.9816 1139 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1372.9816 cocaine and 1373.7738 1140 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1373.7738 (pause 1.07) 1374.8442 1141 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1374.8442 get kicked out again. 1375.7132 1142 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1375.7132 (pause 0.59) 1376.2990 1143 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1376.2990 And uh, toward the end 1377.7201 1144 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1377.7201 (pause 1.04) 1378.7571 1145 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1378.7571 um, 1379.4651 1146 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1379.4651 (pause 1.49) 1380.9511 1147 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1380.9511 I think I was 1382.1034 1148 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1382.1034 (pause 0.45) 1382.5547 1149 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1382.5547 smoking the cocaine 1383.7293 1150 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1383.7293 (pause 0.18) 1383.9133 1151 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1383.9133 and got kicked out. 1384.5662 1152 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1384.5662 (pause 0.71) 1385.2719 1153 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1385.2719 Yeah it was smoking the- I was- I was in the methadone program, 1387.8219 1154 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1387.8219 (pause 0.34) 1388.1622 1155 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1388.1622 and I got kicked out for smoking the cocaine and then I even went to uh, 1391.0813 1156 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1391.0813 (pause 0.50) 1391.5804 1157 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1391.5804 detox, used to be over at DC General, I went there. 1393.7071 1158 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1393.7071 (pause 0.33) 1394.0385 1159 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1394.0385 I w- I went there twice. 1395.1678 1160 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1395.1678 (pause 0.51) 1395.6757 1161 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1395.6757 First time I went 1396.4050 1162 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1396.4050 (pause 0.47) 1396.8711 1163 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1396.8711 I wasn't ready. 1397.5864 1164 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1397.5864 (pause 0.30) 1397.8889 1165 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1397.8889 Uh, went right 1398.5707 1166 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1398.5707 (pause 0.20) 1398.7675 1167 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1398.7675 back out on the streets again, 1399.9449 1168 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1399.9449 (pause 0.38) 1400.3278 1169 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1400.3278 start- 1400.7743 1170 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1400.7743 (pause 0.13) 1400.9039 1171 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1400.9039 uh, got back on methadone 1402.0853 1172 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1402.0853 (pause 1.00) 1403.0883 1173 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1403.0883 start smoking the c- uh, smoking the c- cocaine- cocaine again, 1405.7682 1174 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1405.7682 (pause 0.44) 1406.2042 1175 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1406.2042 and got kicked out of the program again. 1407.7742 1176 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1407.7742 (pause 1.08) 1408.8542 1177 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1408.8542 Um, 1409.4102 1178 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1409.4102 (pause 0.39) 1409.8049 1179 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1409.8049 by that time, 1410.7449 1180 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1410.7449 (pause 0.94) 1411.6869 1181 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1411.6869 um, I think- 1412.9642 1182 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1412.9642 (pause 2.61) 1415.5708 1183 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1415.5708 and that was like eighty six 1417.6184 1184 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1417.6184 (pause 0.52) 1418.1395 1185 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1418.1395 was- 1418.7368 1186 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1418.7368 (pause 1.54) 1420.2806 1187 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1420.2806 I was in the program in eighty eight, 1421.6585 1188 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1421.6585 (pause 1.24) 1422.8972 1189 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1422.8972 and I got kicked out and I think I was in the program again in 1426.3482 1190 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1426.3482 (pause 2.26) 1428.6053 1191 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1428.6053 the nineties but I got kicked out 1430.7147 1192 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1430.7147 (pause 0.78) 1431.4956 1193 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1431.4956 somewhere around ninety two or so, somewhere around there and 1434.2230 1194 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1434.2230 (pause 0.60) 1434.8275 1195 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1434.8275 um, 1435.3124 1196 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1435.3124 (pause 0.42) 1435.7349 1197 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1435.7349 by that time, like I say my father had died, my brother died I was staying in the house by myself. 1440.1243 1198 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1440.1243 (pause 0.57) 1440.6943 1199 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1440.6943 My sister was staying there with me, she had a- she had a baby girl in ninety one. 1444.1365 1200 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1444.1365 (pause 0.48) 1444.6167 1201 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1444.6167 She got out of the house because I was bringing people in the house that were a threat to her because people were coming in the house they were smoking cocaine and they were acting crazy 1450.6948 1202 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1450.6948 (pause 0.46) 1451.1508 1203 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1451.1508 you know so she- she got out of the house 1453.4170 1204 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1453.4170 (pause 0.59) 1454.0074 1205 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1454.0074 and um, 1454.5221 1206 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1454.5221 (pause 0.20) 1454.7228 1207 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1454.7228 eventually 1455.5294 1208 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1455.5294 (pause 0.27) 1455.8030 1209 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1455.8030 um, 1456.1967 1210 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1456.1967 (pause 0.80) 1456.9935 1211 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1456.9935 my brothers and sister decided to sell the house cause my father- there was a lean against the house you know my father taking out /it's/ like thirty thousand dollar loans on the house. 1463.5758 1212 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1463.5758 (pause 0.44) 1464.0126 1213 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1464.0126 He was dead the house was uh, 1465.4259 1214 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1465.4259 (pause 0.55) 1465.9715 1215 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1465.9715 /they were late/ uh, 1466.7731 1216 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1466.7731 (pause 0.18) 1466.9508 1217 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1466.9508 the 1467.0996 1218 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1467.0996 (pause 0.10) 1467.2004 1219 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1467.2004 loan was due and everything so we's 1469.3124 1220 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1469.3124 (pause 0.45) 1469.7594 1221 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1469.7594 they s- my brother sister decided to sell the house and you know pay the loan- the loan off and then we got some money, five thousand a piece and 1475.5314 1222 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1475.5314 (pause 0.32) 1475.8469 1223 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1475.8469 everybody went their separate ways. 1477.0040 1224 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1477.0040 (pause 0.59) 1477.5896 1225 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1477.5896 Uh, by that time I was homeless, in ninety three uh, December of ninety three I became homeless. 1482.2419 1226 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1482.2419 (pause 0.45) 1482.6931 1227 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1482.6931 And I stayed homeless from like uh, ninety three 1484.8441 1228 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1484.8441 (pause 0.41) 1485.2520 1229 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1485.2520 up until um, 1486.5200 1230 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1486.5200 (pause 0.97) 1487.4892 1231 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1487.4892 ninety seven. 1488.2093 1232 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1488.2093 (pause 0.19) 1488.3966 1233 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1488.3966 Around about 1489.1024 1234 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1489.1024 (pause 0.94) 1490.0434 1235 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1490.0434 May of ninety seven. 1490.9594 1236 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1490.9594 (pause 0.22) 1491.1765 1237 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1491.1765 You know, 1491.5317 1238 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1491.5317 (pause 0.17) 1491.6998 1239 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1491.6998 somewhere around that- around that time. 1492.9238 1240 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1492.9238 (pause 0.85) 1493.7689 1241 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1493.7689 And uh, 1494.2778 1242 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1494.2778 (pause 0.13) 1494.4074 1243 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1494.4074 reason I 1494.9034 1244 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1494.9034 (pause 0.39) 1495.2908 1245 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1495.2908 no longer 1495.7325 1246 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1495.7325 (pause 0.29) 1496.0254 1247 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1496.0254 was homeless at- at that time was because 1498.0851 1248 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1498.0851 (pause 0.27) 1498.3587 1249 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1498.3587 I got so sick. I- I was HIV positive too my brother was in eighty four, 1501.7686 1250 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1501.7686 (pause 0.26) 1502.0313 1251 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1502.0313 I was diagnosed in eighty seven. 1503.4553 1252 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1503.4553 (pause 0.45) 1503.9037 1253 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1503.9037 You know then I was redi- uh, 1505.2577 1254 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1505.2577 (pause 0.16) 1505.4161 1255 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1505.4161 then I was rediagnosed in eighty nine. 1507.2294 1256 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1507.2294 (pause 0.64) 1507.8741 1257 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1507.8741 But I was HIV positive too and I was uh, coming down with pneumonia. 1510.8467 1258 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1510.8467 (pause 0.33) 1511.1724 1259 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1511.1724 So I was like selling heroin over at Northeast 1513.0833 1260 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1513.0833 (pause 0.57) 1513.6544 1261 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1513.6544 Fourth Street Northeast, uh, helping- helping a seller I wasn't really a 1516.5591 1262 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1516.5591 (pause 0.35) 1516.9096 1263 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1516.9096 a s- s- 1517.7683 1264 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1517.7683 (pause 0.12) 1517.8890 1265 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1517.8890 you know actual seller. 1518.9650 1266 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1518.9650 (pause 0.53) 1519.4973 1267 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1519.4973 You know I was 1520.4719 1268 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1520.4719 (pause 0.11) 1520.5776 1269 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1520.5776 working with people that were selling it. 1521.7696 1270 DCB_int_01 1522.0849 Mm-hm. 1522.5410 1271 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1522.6467 And eventually uh, 1524.0054 1272 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1524.0054 (pause 0.22) 1524.2262 1273 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1524.2262 I got s- 1524.7352 1274 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1524.7352 (pause 0.50) 1525.2393 1275 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1525.2393 got pneumonia, 1525.8993 1276 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1525.8993 (pause 0.56) 1526.4588 1277 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1526.4588 and 1526.9094 1278 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1526.9094 (pause 0.52) 1527.4284 1279 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1527.4284 had to be hospitalized and when I was hospitalized, my sister uh, I c- I came out of the um, 1531.2157 1280 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1531.2157 (pause 0.69) 1531.9079 1281 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1531.9079 hospital I went into a shelter, 1533.2719 1282 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1533.2719 (pause 0.14) 1533.4105 1283 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1533.4105 and when I went to the shelter, 1534.5964 1284 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1534.5964 (pause 0.40) 1534.9948 1285 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1534.9948 uh, you know the- 1535.9681 1286 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1535.9681 (pause 0.10) 1536.0655 1287 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1536.0655 the living conditions in the shelter were you know, poor. 1538.1204 1288 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1538.1204 (pause 0.38) 1538.5042 1289 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1538.5042 And I got sick again had to go back to the hospital, so when I went back 1541.6404 1290 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1541.6404 (pause 0.35) 1541.9899 1291 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1541.9899 my sister had uh, 1543.1592 1292 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1543.1592 (pause 0.64) 1543.7998 1293 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1543.7998 her and my sister-in-law had 1545.0289 1294 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1545.0289 (pause 0.29) 1545.3218 1295 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1545.3218 you know, gotten me a room. 1546.1564 1296 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1546.1564 (pause 0.59) 1546.7427 1297 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1546.7427 You know. 1547.0920 1298 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1547.0920 (pause 0.20) 1547.2900 1299 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1547.2900 And uh, 1547.7461 1300 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1547.7461 (pause 0.22) 1547.9670 1301 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1547.9670 my sister paid my rent for like about three months. 1550.0910 1302 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1550.0910 (pause 0.41) 1550.4971 1303 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1550.4971 Cause she said if I stayed in the shelter that I was eventually gonna die cause I kept getting sick. 1554.1988 1304 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1554.1988 (pause 0.65) 1554.8515 1305 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1554.8515 So uh, by that time when she got me- helped me get me into the uh- 1558.2224 1306 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1558.2224 (pause 0.71) 1558.9276 1307 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1558.9276 got me into the room, 1559.7569 1308 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1559.7569 (pause 0.50) 1560.2575 1309 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1560.2575 I had already been applying for my uh, SSI. 1562.7899 1310 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1562.7899 (pause 0.40) 1563.1908 1311 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1563.1908 [So eventually] 1563.9415 1312 DCB_int_01 1563.2196 [Mm-hm.] 1563.6997 1313 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1564.3767 when I got into the room, and within three months at the time, my sister's paying my rent and everything I was a- you know /going/ back and forth down 1569.5186 1314 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1569.5186 (pause 0.53) 1570.0467 1315 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1570.0467 to uh, social security 1571.1413 1316 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1571.1413 (pause 0.40) 1571.5398 1317 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1571.5398 my SSI, 1572.4328 1318 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1572.4328 (pause 0.22) 1572.6488 1319 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1572.6488 Supplemental Security Income had kicked in, 1574.5596 1320 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1574.5596 (pause 0.42) 1574.9821 1321 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1574.9821 so I was able to get a check every month 1576.4511 1322 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1576.4511 (pause 0.11) 1576.5615 1323 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1576.5615 and pay my rent. 1577.6215 1324 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1577.6215 (pause 0.90) 1578.5203 1325 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1578.5203 I was in the- back in the methadone program, 1580.4536 1326 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1580.4536 (pause 0.20) 1580.6568 1327 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1580.6568 wasn't using any crack cocaine, 1582.6048 1328 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1582.6048 (pause 0.40) 1583.0093 1329 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1583.0093 wasn't smoking anything, all I did ma- I did use once 1586.7638 1330 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1586.7638 (pause 0.49) 1587.2581 1331 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1587.2581 or twice when I was in the program. 1588.8616 1332 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1588.8616 (pause 0.44) 1589.2986 1333 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1589.2986 But I wasn't using it regularly. 1590.5228 1334 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1590.5228 (pause 0.17) 1590.6909 1335 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1590.6909 And I got a couple of dirty urines and 1592.4625 1336 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1592.4625 (pause 0.45) 1592.9136 1337 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1592.9136 then I was told you know I needed to s- leave that stuff alone or else I'm gonna get kicked out again, so. 1596.8890 1338 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1596.8890 (pause 0.44) 1597.3305 1339 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1597.3305 Stopped doing the crack cocaine, stopped doing heroin 1599.7935 1340 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1599.7935 (pause 0.11) 1599.9039 1341 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1599.9039 and um, 1600.4351 1342 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1600.4351 (pause 1.49) 1601.9203 1343 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1601.9203 Can't leave this part of the story out but see in nineteen ninety seven, when I was in the program I was also uh, introduced to uh, Jesus Christ in the program. I had already been- my mother and f- mother was actually a God fearing woman she always went to church you know and everything we knew- when we were kids we went to Sunday school and to church. 1616.5969 1344 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1616.5969 (pause 0.71) 1617.3072 1345 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1617.3072 But we didn't go consistently, my father he wasn't- he wasn't a believer. 1620.3500 1346 DCB_int_01 1620.5816 Right. 1620.8512 1347 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1620.8649 You know my mom sent us, so we- we uh, w- 1623.2635 1348 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1623.2635 (pause 0.09) 1623.3517 1349 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1623.3517 we- I knew about church, I knew about God you know I knew about faith. 1626.1677 1350 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1626.1677 (pause 0.62) 1626.7893 1351 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1626.7893 But I didn't know enough about it but then I was always crying out for God to help me you know out of my addiction you know get me out of you know being sick and 1633.2475 1352 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1633.2475 (pause 0.29) 1633.5346 1353 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1633.5346 having to chase dope all the time and feeling bad uh, every day and 1636.6186 1354 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1636.6186 (pause 0.31) 1636.9240 1355 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1636.9240 having to get dope and then get the dope not really feeling 1639.2574 1356 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1639.2574 (pause 0.54) 1639.7999 1357 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1639.7999 normal, you know once I get the dope it's- it's- it's not good enough to make me feel normal. 1643.8614 1358 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1643.8614 (pause 0.33) 1644.1878 1359 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1644.1878 And then I had to go and try to steal some more s- stuff from people and get some more money and I would do it- 1648.9362 1360 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1648.9362 (pause 0.24) 1649.1810 1361 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1649.1810 it was a vicious cycle me going back and forth. 1650.9814 1362 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1650.9814 (pause 0.44) 1651.4183 1363 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1651.4183 So um, 1651.9809 1364 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1651.9809 (pause 0.40) 1652.3784 1365 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1652.3784 in like nineteen ninety seven when I was in the program I got introduced to Jesus Christ and uh, 1655.5682 1366 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1655.5682 (pause 0.45) 1656.0175 1367 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1656.0175 um, 1656.3631 1368 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1656.3631 (pause 0.84) 1657.2033 1369 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1657.2033 accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior and uh, 1659.4806 1370 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1659.4806 (pause 0.12) 1659.6037 1371 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1659.6037 I- I was saved. And I went 1661.0039 1372 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1661.0039 (pause 0.44) 1661.4425 1373 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1661.4425 from uh, being a heroin addict to being you know drug free cause I 1665.0194 1374 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1665.0194 (pause 0.39) 1665.4129 1375 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1665.4129 eventually made- made up my mind to get out of the program get off of the methadone and just be drug free. 1669.7963 1376 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1669.7963 (pause 0.94) 1670.7324 1377 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1670.7324 You know and by nineteen ninety eight, I 1672.3359 1378 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1672.3359 (pause 0.13) 1672.4656 1379 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1672.4656 /went the-/ 1672.7749 1380 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1672.7749 (pause 0.16) 1672.9313 1381 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1672.9313 went in the program May first nineteen ninety seven, 1675.1353 1382 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1675.1353 (pause 0.56) 1675.6918 1383 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1675.6918 by uh, October uh, 1677.4347 1384 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1677.4347 (pause 0.93) 1678.3661 1385 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1678.3661 third- 1678.8741 1386 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1678.8741 (pause 0.96) 1679.8302 1387 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1679.8302 October f- third I was uh, 1681.5340 1388 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1681.5340 (pause 0.20) 1681.7315 1389 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1681.7315 completed the program, I got out of the methadone program but I still 1684.6075 1390 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1684.6075 (pause 0.55) 1685.1610 1391 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1685.1610 used when I got out of the program 1687.1295 1392 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1687.1295 (pause 0.14) 1687.2687 1393 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1687.2687 and uh, 1687.7776 1394 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1687.7776 (pause 0.30) 1688.0801 1395 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1688.0801 then I was 1688.7715 1396 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1688.7715 (pause 0.38) 1689.1507 1397 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1689.1507 part of this uh, 1689.9627 1398 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1689.9627 (pause 0.22) 1690.1859 1399 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1690.1859 other program called RAP. 1691.2712 1400 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1691.2712 (pause 0.22) 1691.4918 1401 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1691.4918 It's uh, Regional Addiction Prevention. 1692.9274 1402 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1692.9274 (pause 0.60) 1693.5225 1403 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1693.5225 I was part of that program 1694.8172 1404 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1694.8172 (pause 0.41) 1695.2317 1405 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1695.2317 because 1695.6734 1406 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1695.6734 (pause 0.29) 1695.9615 1407 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1695.9615 I had my housing through them. 1697.1561 1408 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1697.1561 (pause 0.88) 1698.0404 1409 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1698.0404 In other words when I was in the methadone program I was uh, 1700.2817 1410 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1700.2817 (pause 0.41) 1700.6905 1411 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1700.6905 living in 1701.3865 1412 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1701.3865 (pause 1.47) 1702.8605 1413 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1702.8605 /RD-ADDRESS-6/ 1703.8976 1414 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1703.8976 (pause 0.25) 1704.1520 1415 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1704.1520 and uh, 1704.8814 1416 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1704.8814 (pause 0.47) 1705.3521 1417 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1705.3521 then 1705.7521 1418 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1705.7521 (pause 0.27) 1706.0195 1419 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1706.0195 because I became a part of RAP 1707.3878 1420 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1707.3878 (pause 0.12) 1707.5030 1421 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1707.5030 Regional Addiction Prevention Program they got me- 1709.4004 1422 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1709.4004 (pause 0.29) 1709.6876 1423 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1709.6876 /but/ I had the room at first, I had the- the room that my sister had got me, 1712.2529 1424 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1712.2529 (pause 0.30) 1712.5535 1425 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1712.5535 then I went from there to /RD-ADDRESS-6/. 1714.3722 1426 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1714.3722 (pause 0.86) 1715.2326 1427 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1715.2326 RAP got me into my own apartment 1716.8842 1428 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1716.8842 (pause 0.10) 1716.9850 1429 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1716.9850 in Southeast 1717.7223 1430 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1717.7223 (pause 0.11) 1717.8348 1431 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1717.8348 you know 1718.1948 1432 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1718.1948 (pause 0.12) 1718.3100 1433 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1718.3100 on Orange Street Southeast, 1719.4273 1434 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1719.4273 (pause 0.12) 1719.5439 1435 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1719.5439 Washington DC. 1720.2113 1436 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1720.2113 (pause 0.48) 1720.6865 1437 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1720.6865 Stayed in there for like about a year 1722.3331 1438 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1722.3331 (pause 0.29) 1722.6213 1439 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1722.6213 and um, 1723.1627 1440 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1723.1627 (pause 1.30) 1724.4600 1441 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1724.4600 that was like nineteen ninety seven to nineteen ninety eight, and then 1727.3460 1442 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1727.3460 (pause 0.59) 1727.9360 1443 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1727.9360 um, 1728.5359 1444 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1728.5359 (pause 0.71) 1729.2465 1445 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1729.2465 when they 1729.6450 1446 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1729.6450 (pause 0.13) 1729.7746 1447 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1729.7746 found I had used, they got me- they put me in a drug treatment uh, uh, program. 1733.5280 1448 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1733.5280 (pause 0.57) 1734.1005 1449 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1734.1005 You know and I stayed in there for like about 1735.6657 1450 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1735.6657 (pause 0.39) 1736.0591 1451 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1736.0591 nineteen days, twenty-one days something like that. 1738.4260 1452 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1738.4260 (pause 0.82) 1739.2423 1453 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1739.2423 You learn a whole lot 1740.2370 1454 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1740.2370 (pause 0.50) 1740.7354 1455 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1740.7354 uh, 1741.1915 1456 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1741.1915 (pause 0.23) 1741.4170 1457 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1741.4170 made up my mind I wasn't gonna get high again. 1743.1650 1458 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1743.1650 (pause 0.75) 1743.9135 1459 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1743.9135 Came out /unintelligible/ 1745.3135 1460 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1745.3135 (pause 0.10) 1745.4163 1461 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1745.4163 /?/ it was condition of me keeping my apartment to go into the program so I- 1748.3546 1462 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1748.3546 (pause 0.20) 1748.5512 1463 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1748.5512 g- kept my apartment 1749.5312 1464 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1749.5312 (pause 0.42) 1749.9484 1465 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1749.9484 and after that uh, RAP's uh, independent living program they- they s- they were cutting that, phasing that out. 1754.3318 1466 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1754.3318 (pause 0.85) 1755.1862 1467 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1755.1862 And um, 1756.1475 1468 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1756.1475 (pause 0.34) 1756.4873 1469 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1756.4873 I was looking for a place to stay and s- 1757.9469 1470 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1757.9469 (pause 0.28) 1758.2299 1471 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1758.2299 fortunately, 1758.8253 1472 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1758.8253 (pause 0.55) 1759.3774 1473 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1759.3774 couple of my friends had 1760.3856 1474 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1760.3856 (pause 0.38) 1760.7649 1475 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1760.7649 moved on Robinson Place Southeast and they had apartments and 1763.6168 1476 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1763.6168 (pause 0.36) 1763.9768 1477 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1763.9768 when I tried to apply I was denied because they s- they didn't have any apartments. 1767.1023 1478 DCB_int_01 1767.2462 Mm. 1767.5344 1479 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1767.5630 But fortunately you know by the grace of God, 1769.5830 1480 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1769.5830 (pause 0.22) 1769.8004 1481 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1769.8004 I was uh- 1770.4484 1482 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1770.4484 (pause 0.42) 1770.8710 1483 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1770.8710 I got a phone call from- from one of the- my friends that lived over there he said- 1774.3182 1484 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1774.3182 (pause 0.32) 1774.6396 1485 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1774.6396 he said, man they have apartment /up-/ an apartment open over here, so I call 1777.8420 1486 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1777.8420 (pause 0.36) 1778.1973 1487 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1778.1973 and I was able to get the apartment. 1779.4133 1488 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1779.4133 (pause 0.19) 1779.6038 1489 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1779.6038 So I went 1780.1319 1490 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1780.1319 (pause 0.36) 1780.4920 1491 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1780.4920 to Robinson Place and um, 1781.6635 1492 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1781.6635 (pause 0.57) 1782.2300 1493 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1782.2300 after I got to Robinson Place I- I was getting my SSI, I had uh- 1785.2980 1494 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1785.2980 (pause 0.56) 1785.8548 1495 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1785.8548 had bought like a little car, 1787.1607 1496 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1787.1607 (pause 0.13) 1787.2952 1497 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1787.2952 then uh, 1787.6965 1498 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1787.6965 (pause 0.73) 1788.4232 1499 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1788.4232 I went from 1789.6099 1500 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1789.6099 (pause 0.25) 1789.8636 1501 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1789.8636 uh, 1790.3556 1502 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1790.3556 (pause 0.67) 1791.0302 1503 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1791.0302 not- I wasn't using, 1792.2956 1504 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1792.2956 (pause 0.59) 1792.8881 1505 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1792.8881 and I was uh, actually coming here 1795.0187 1506 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1795.0187 (pause 0.55) 1795.5719 1507 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1795.5719 for my medical services, Family Medical. 1797.4636 1508 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1797.4636 (pause 0.19) 1797.6555 1509 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1797.6555 Around the time nineteen ninety eight I was starting to come here for my medical services. 1800.8579 1510 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1800.8579 (pause 0.44) 1801.2995 1511 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1801.2995 And going to support groups and everything so I did that, 1803.4552 1512 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1803.4552 (pause 0.46) 1803.9160 1513 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1803.9160 for 1804.5880 1514 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1804.5880 (pause 0.48) 1805.0635 1515 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1805.0635 uh, six years, 1806.0422 1516 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1806.0422 (pause 0.44) 1806.4796 1517 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1806.4796 nineteen ninety eight to- 1807.8480 1518 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1807.8480 (pause 0.20) 1808.0448 1519 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1808.0448 eight years really. 1808.7555 1520 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1808.7555 (pause 0.34) 1809.0915 1521 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1809.0915 Nineteen ninety eight to two thousand six I was coming here, getting my medical service getting /you know/ HIV support groups. 1813.9309 1522 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1813.9309 (pause 0.36) 1814.2957 1523 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1814.2957 Not using, staying clean, 1816.1930 1524 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1816.1930 (pause 0.38) 1816.5761 1525 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1816.5761 The only thing I- only thing I still did was smoke cigarettes, I s- but actually I stopped 1820.4459 1526 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1820.4459 (pause 0.52) 1820.9690 1527 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1820.9690 smoking cigarettes in two thousand four. 1822.3850 1528 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1822.3850 (pause 0.79) 1823.1727 1529 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1823.1727 So by the time I- time I- 1824.4340 1530 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1824.4340 (pause 0.28) 1824.7185 1531 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1824.7185 I- I got offered a job here, I d- I- I wasn't smoking cigarettes, I wasn't doing drugs. 1828.9505 1532 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1828.9505 (pause 0.48) 1829.4331 1533 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1829.4331 I was uh, 1830.0958 1534 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1830.0958 (pause 0.18) 1830.2781 1535 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1830.2781 you know I was still getting SSI, 1831.9434 1536 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1831.9434 (pause 0.48) 1832.4242 1537 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1832.4242 and um- 1833.0536 1538 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1833.0536 (pause 0.41) 1833.4611 1539 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1833.4611 and pretty much 1834.1332 1540 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1834.1332 (pause 0.29) 1834.4213 1541 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1834.4213 had my own apartment, yeah I was- I was pretty much care free. 1836.9659 1542 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1836.9659 (pause 0.10) 1837.0665 1543 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1837.0665 You know. 1837.4314 1544 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1837.4314 (pause 0.39) 1837.8203 1545 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1837.8203 They offered me a job here and uh, basically I was- got the- took the job in two thousand six as a uh, 1841.7428 1546 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1841.7428 (pause 0.69) 1842.4293 1547 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1842.4293 uh, HIV medical adherence specialist cause I had learned a lot about it. 1845.2613 1548 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1845.2613 (pause 0.18) 1845.4443 1549 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1845.4443 You know being- being positive I had learned a lot about it. 1847.7223 1550 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1847.7223 (pause 0.34) 1848.0608 1551 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1848.0608 Coming here, support groups and everything, 1849.9928 1552 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1849.9928 (pause 0.46) 1850.4516 1553 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1850.4516 and uh, even without having a computer I still learned a lot about it. 1853.2939 1554 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1853.2939 (pause 0.56) 1853.8508 1555 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1853.8508 And uh, they gave me a opportunity to work here so when I took the job as adherence specialist 1857.7197 1556 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1857.7197 (pause 0.38) 1858.0996 1557 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1858.0996 I learned even more about it being- having access to a computer and everything I got- eventually got my own computer 1862.3295 1558 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1862.3295 (pause 0.65) 1862.9774 1559 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1862.9774 and um, 1863.6707 1560 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1863.6707 (pause 0.39) 1864.0577 1561 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1864.0577 did uh, HIV 1864.9856 1562 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1864.9856 (pause 0.25) 1865.2387 1563 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1865.2387 adherence specialist for like a couple of years, 1866.7934 1564 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1866.7934 (pause 0.61) 1867.4069 1565 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1867.4069 in two thousand six two thousand eight, then I got a job as a HIV counselor and tester. 1871.3360 1566 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1871.3360 (pause 0.35) 1871.6865 1567 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1871.6865 Did that from two thousand eight 1873.0278 1568 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1873.0278 (pause 0.46) 1873.4915 1569 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1873.4915 until- actually I just recently uh, switched over to community health worker a couple of months ago. 1878.4567 1570 DCB_int_01 1878.4461 Mm-hm. 1878.8207 1571 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1878.9790 And um, 1879.6080 1572 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1879.6080 (pause 1.00) 1880.6114 1573 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1880.6114 as a matter of fact my office here- over here was right over there, right- 1883.0648 1574 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1883.0648 (pause 0.22) 1883.2806 1575 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1883.2806 right out that door right there. 1884.3460 1576 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1884.3460 (pause 0.51) 1884.8602 1577 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1884.8602 And uh, I did that from two thousand eight and up until 1887.4686 1578 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1887.4686 (pause 0.91) 1888.3792 1579 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1888.3792 this year, two thousand fifteen, so nine, ten, eleven, twelve, 1891.2071 1580 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1891.2071 (pause 0.81) 1892.0185 1581 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1892.0185 nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, about seven years, you know. 1895.6097 1582 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1895.6097 (pause 0.52) 1896.1328 1583 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1896.1328 I did that for seven years so pretty much that's where I- 1898.5670 1584 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1898.5670 (pause 0.73) 1899.3016 1585 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1899.3016 where I am now. Um, 1900.7322 1586 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1900.7322 (pause 1.20) 1901.9324 1587 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1901.9324 You know s- when you say like growing up in my neighborhood, my neighborhood was- 1904.9955 1588 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1904.9955 (pause 0.28) 1905.2740 1589 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1905.2740 was 1905.6313 1590 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1905.6313 (pause 0.68) 1906.3108 1591 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1906.3108 it wa- it wa- it was the bomb, it was growing up in the area like nobody ever experienced 1910.4148 1592 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1910.4148 (pause 0.36) 1910.7759 1593 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1910.7759 what I- what I experienced ever be- ever- ever before. 1913.4066 1594 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1913.4066 (pause 0.43) 1913.8387 1595 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1913.8387 Because 1914.3054 1596 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1914.3054 (pause 0.51) 1914.8134 1597 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1914.8134 in my neighborhood, we were like a close knit neighborhood, everybody knew everybody. 1918.2271 1598 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1918.2271 (pause 0.57) 1918.7983 1599 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1918.7983 You know a- and everybody knew what everybody did, we knew who the dope fiends were, we knew who the- who the alcoholics were. 1924.0698 1600 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1924.0698 (pause 0.44) 1924.5113 1601 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1924.5113 We knew who was having sex with whoever- whoever's mom that wa- wasn't married and we know if people having affairs. 1930.0470 1602 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1930.0470 (pause 0.47) 1930.5174 1603 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1930.5174 We knew um, 1931.4494 1604 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1931.4494 (pause 0.69) 1932.1354 1605 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1932.1354 who was creeping around, we- we knew all about all kinds of incestual relation- incestuous- incestuous 1937.9398 1606 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1937.9398 (pause 0.26) 1938.2037 1607 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1938.2037 incest- cestuous relationship, I can't say the word. 1940.7099 1608 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1940.7099 (pause 0.68) 1941.3868 1609 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1941.3868 But anyway, 1941.9135 1610 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1941.9135 (pause 1.09) 1943.0047 1611 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1943.0047 we uh, we still- but we still kept stuff in the neighborhood. 1946.1254 1612 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1946.1254 (pause 0.30) 1946.4229 1613 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1946.4229 We knew who the drunks were, the winos, you know the- and it was a different- it was a distinction, you know. 1950.6095 1614 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1950.6095 (pause 0.37) 1950.9790 1615 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1950.9790 You had drunks, and then you had winos. 1952.5585 1616 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1952.5585 (pause 0.11) 1952.6690 1617 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1952.6690 You know. 1952.9690 1618 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1952.9690 (pause 0.37) 1953.3411 1619 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1953.3411 Even though wino gets drunk, but /you the-/ drunks were the ones that drank the alcohol the liquor the hard liquor [right?] 1957.7438 1620 DCB_int_01 1957.5035 [Mm.] 1957.8108 1621 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1958.0509 You know or the beer. 1958.8429 1622 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1958.8429 (pause 0.36) 1959.1983 1623 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1959.1983 But the winos were the ones that drank only wine, 1961.2772 1624 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1961.2772 (pause 0.19) 1961.4693 1625 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1961.4693 they didn't drink- 1961.9876 1626 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1961.9876 (pause 0.10) 1962.0884 1627 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1962.0884 they di- 1962.3813 1628 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1962.3813 (pause 0.26) 1962.6454 1629 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1962.6454 they drink a beer if there- /unintelligible/ if there was nothing else available but they really like the wine so we would watch 1967.3265 1630 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1967.3265 (pause 0.36) 1967.6816 1631 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1967.6816 the winos 1968.4589 1632 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1968.4589 (pause 0.58) 1969.0355 1633 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1969.0355 get their wine and bum their money 1970.7111 1634 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1970.7111 (pause 0.12) 1970.8311 1635 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1970.8311 you know and get their wine and wine was real cheap back then when it- in- back in the sixties. 1974.3899 1636 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1974.3899 (pause 0.44) 1974.8271 1637 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1974.8271 You know wine was real cheap you know you get like 1977.0954 1638 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1977.0954 (pause 0.27) 1977.3670 1639 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1977.3670 sixty five cent, seventy five cent 1978.8697 1640 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1978.8697 (pause 0.39) 1979.2614 1641 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1979.2614 bottle of wine. 1979.9624 1642 DCB_int_01 1980.0248 Mm. 1980.2937 1643 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1980.4137 And they would get their wine they would drink- get drunk, they would go in the alley, /next thing you know/ we see 'em laying up against the wall but nobody bothered 'em nobody bo- and they didn't really have anything so nobody bothered nobody- 1988.2203 1644 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1988.2203 (pause 0.30) 1988.5226 1645 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1988.5226 nobody beat 'em up, you know anything like that uh, 1990.7586 1646 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1990.7586 (pause 1.53) 1992.2866 1647 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1992.2866 I mean there was one that got beat up his- we used to call him /RD-NAME-2/ he got beat up but 1995.8538 1648 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1995.8538 (pause 0.13) 1995.9882 1649 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1995.9882 we uh- 1996.6002 1650 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1996.6002 (pause 0.82) 1997.4188 1651 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 1997.4188 everybody went to the barber shops you know got their hair cut so we knew where to go to get our hair cut, 2001.6678 1652 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2001.6678 (pause 0.35) 2002.0180 1653 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2002.0180 we knew where to go to the grocery store, we knew our moms and 2004.9419 1654 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2004.9419 (pause 0.37) 2005.3164 1655 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2005.3164 our f- we knew f- our families we had friends we knew their mom- their moms their dads, 2009.9732 1656 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2009.9732 (pause 0.59) 2010.5638 1657 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2010.5638 we pretty much had m- uh, 2012.4938 1658 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2012.4938 (pause 0.26) 2012.7579 1659 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2012.7579 most of the families we knew 2014.0062 1660 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2014.0062 (pause 0.34) 2014.3471 1661 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2014.3471 had a mother and father in the home 2015.6215 1662 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2015.6215 (pause 0.14) 2015.7633 1663 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2015.7633 you know. 2016.1340 1664 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2016.1340 (pause 0.43) 2016.5650 1665 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2016.5650 And it was not like it is today [you know like today] 2018.7662 1666 DCB_int_01 2017.8565 [Mm-hm.] 2018.3462 1667 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2019.0472 with all these single parent homes only a mom and only these mothers walking around with these babies, 2023.4256 1668 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2023.4256 (pause 0.32) 2023.7425 1669 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2023.7425 it wasn't like that. 2024.4483 1670 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2024.4483 (pause 0.10) 2024.5490 1671 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2024.5490 You know it was a d- it was a mom and a dad, you know. 2026.7224 1672 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2026.7224 (pause 0.29) 2027.0168 1673 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2027.0168 So we knew who- we knew people by their parents, 2029.2885 1674 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2029.2885 (pause 0.40) 2029.6907 1675 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2029.6907 we knew who their parents were we spoke, we were respectful, we knew- we learned 2032.8835 1676 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2032.8835 (pause 0.31) 2033.1908 1677 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2033.1908 how to respect thy elders you know it's different than it is today. 2035.8698 1678 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2035.8698 (pause 0.40) 2036.2683 1679 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2036.2683 You know we would say yes sir, no sir, yes ma'am, no ma'am, 2039.1670 1680 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2039.1670 (pause 0.32) 2039.4897 1681 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2039.4897 please, thank you, you're welcome, you know, may I do this, may I do that, you know, it wasn't like 2043.3565 1682 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2043.3565 (pause 0.23) 2043.5897 1683 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2043.5897 can I it was may I, you know. 2045.2557 1684 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2045.2557 (pause 0.35) 2045.6061 1685 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2045.6061 Uh, we knew how to get permission to do things 2047.5938 1686 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2047.5938 (pause 0.52) 2048.1170 1687 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2048.1170 uh, we knew right from wrong you know although we did a l- 2050.5433 1688 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2050.5433 (pause 0.32) 2050.8632 1689 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2050.8632 we did a lot of wrong but we paid for it, we were disciplined. 2053.1629 1690 DCB_int_01 2053.2154 Mm. 2053.4843 1691 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2053.5035 You know we got our whoopings we got w- 2055.0015 1692 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2055.0015 (pause 0.30) 2055.3039 1693 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2055.3039 I got three whoopings in one day, 2056.6771 1694 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2056.6771 (pause 0.11) 2056.7875 1695 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2056.7875 you know, 2057.2052 1696 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2057.2052 (pause 0.35) 2057.5509 1697 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2057.5509 from 2057.8093 1698 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2057.8093 (pause 0.33) 2058.1414 1699 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2058.1414 smart mouthing this girl down the street. 2059.6490 1700 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2059.6490 (pause 0.15) 2059.8025 1701 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2059.8025 You know she jacked me up 2060.9559 1702 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2060.9559 (pause 0.40) 2061.3533 1703 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2061.3533 you know and then when I got um, up the street, 2063.3074 1704 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2063.3074 (pause 0.29) 2063.6000 1705 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2063.6000 I got smart with my next door neighbor, she whooped my butt. 2065.6989 1706 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2065.6989 (pause 0.46) 2066.1542 1707 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2066.1542 Then my mother found out about it, she whooped my butt then my father came home he whooped my butt. 2069.3134 1708 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2069.3134 (pause 0.13) 2069.4476 1709 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2069.4476 You know so 2069.9613 1710 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2069.9613 (pause 0.42) 2070.3838 1711 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2070.3838 I got three whoopings in one day and jacked up. 2072.1219 1712 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2072.1219 (pause 0.15) 2072.2755 1713 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2072.2755 So I got like 2073.1061 1714 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2073.1061 (pause 0.69) 2073.7973 1715 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2073.7973 you know four disciplines, one day. 2075.3144 1716 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2075.3144 (pause 0.46) 2075.7705 1717 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2075.7705 But that's how we used to do, you know if you did something, you said something, disrespected somebody, 2079.5154 1718 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2079.5154 (pause 0.25) 2079.7697 1719 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2079.7697 you know 2080.1586 1720 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2080.1586 (pause 0.31) 2080.4706 1721 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2080.4706 you got disciplined for it you know, not like it is today people get disciplined now it's all of a sudden it's just child abuse you know. 2085.0461 1722 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2085.0461 (pause 0.56) 2085.6078 1723 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2085.6078 Um, 2086.0255 1724 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2086.0255 (pause 1.02) 2087.0431 1725 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2087.0431 pretty much it was a different age growing up w- where I grew up. 2089.3429 1726 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2089.3429 (pause 0.39) 2089.7366 1727 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2089.7366 Uh, had a- um- 2090.7619 1728 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2090.7619 (pause 0.75) 2091.5082 1729 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2091.5082 had girlfriends and everything pretty much. 2093.4093 1730 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2093.4093 (pause 0.39) 2093.7982 1731 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2093.7982 Uh, 2094.1916 1732 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2094.1916 (pause 0.18) 2094.3744 1733 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2094.3744 my problem was 2095.2241 1734 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2095.2241 (pause 0.11) 2095.3297 1735 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2095.3297 a lot of times 2096.1027 1736 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2096.1027 (pause 0.58) 2096.6836 1737 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2096.6836 the- the girlfriends were- 2098.0263 1738 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2098.0263 (pause 0.22) 2098.2438 1739 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2098.2438 they took a back seat to the drugs. 2099.5891 1740 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2099.5891 (pause 0.14) 2099.7321 1741 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2099.7321 You know. 2100.1295 1742 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2100.1295 (pause 0.43) 2100.5627 1743 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2100.5627 So uh, 2101.3054 1744 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2101.3054 (pause 0.16) 2101.4654 1745 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2101.4654 then uh, with the um, 2102.8001 1746 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2102.8001 (pause 0.71) 2103.5104 1747 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2103.5104 I remember this one girl that I 2104.8692 1748 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2104.8692 (pause 0.26) 2105.1332 1749 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2105.1332 used to- that used to like me, 2106.5111 1750 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2106.5111 (pause 0.42) 2106.9288 1751 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2106.9288 and I liked her too but uh, I- eventually she married this guy from Jamaica. 2110.2591 1752 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2110.2591 (pause 0.63) 2110.8896 1753 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2110.8896 And so 2111.5330 1754 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2111.5330 (pause 0.37) 2111.9026 1755 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2111.9026 one night she followed me home. 2113.1920 1756 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2113.1920 (pause 0.18) 2113.3716 1757 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2113.3716 You know and I kept telling her know that I didn't wanna- 2115.8922 1758 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2115.8922 (pause 0.42) 2116.3147 1759 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2116.3147 want her to be around me because I didn't want her to get in trouble and I didn't want her husband you know 2119.5376 1760 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2119.5376 (pause 0.32) 2119.8624 1761 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2119.8624 thinking that sh- I- that we were together, so 2121.8117 1762 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2121.8117 (pause 0.48) 2122.2966 1763 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2122.2966 she was saying that he had- you know he was abusive he had beaten her and everything and she said she had 2125.9023 1764 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2125.9023 (pause 0.16) 2126.0606 1765 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2126.0606 this machete that she was gonna kill him that night if he bothered- if he 2128.9413 1766 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2128.9413 (pause 0.26) 2129.2006 1767 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2129.2006 if he uh, hit- if he hit her. 2130.3179 1768 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2130.3179 (pause 0.85) 2131.1640 1769 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2131.1640 And so we went home 2132.1374 1770 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2132.1374 (pause 0.34) 2132.4795 1771 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2132.4795 went to my- my place and you know had sex and everything and then after that night 2135.4827 1772 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2135.4827 (pause 0.39) 2135.8726 1773 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2135.8726 I didn't see her anymore. 2136.6930 1774 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2136.6930 (pause 0.22) 2136.9091 1775 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2136.9091 You know, so 2137.7615 1776 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2137.7615 (pause 0.41) 2138.1714 1777 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2138.1714 find out like a couple months later 2139.8248 1778 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2139.8248 (pause 0.25) 2140.0723 1779 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2140.0723 you know they said, 2140.8176 1780 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2140.8176 (pause 0.53) 2141.3507 1781 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2141.3507 did you hear about /RD-NAME-2/? and I said uh, 2143.6918 1782 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2143.6918 (pause 0.12) 2143.8118 1783 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2143.8118 no, they said, 2144.6238 1784 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2144.6238 (pause 0.44) 2145.0662 1785 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2145.0662 they found her body, 2146.0728 1786 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2146.0728 (pause 0.33) 2146.4068 1787 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2146.4068 you know, in this- in- in the rooming house. 2148.3917 1788 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2148.3917 (pause 0.61) 2149.0035 1789 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2149.0035 In this house where she lived and sh- sh- he had- 2151.5527 1790 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2151.5527 (pause 0.31) 2151.8626 1791 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2151.8626 he had uh, 2152.4853 1792 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2152.4853 (pause 0.12) 2152.6030 1793 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2152.6030 boarded her 2153.2753 1794 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2153.2753 (pause 0.24) 2153.5154 1795 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2153.5154 up under- 2153.9636 1796 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2153.9636 (pause 0.10) 2154.0596 1797 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2154.0596 boarded her in up under the stairway. 2155.7084 1798 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2155.7084 (pause 0.66) 2156.3722 1799 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2156.3722 He had built uh, a wall around the st- the bottom of the back of the stairway. 2159.5217 1800 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2159.5217 (pause 0.45) 2159.9699 1801 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2159.9699 He built a wall around the back of the stairway and /hid/ her body inside there. 2163.2670 1802 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2163.2670 (pause 0.36) 2163.6311 1803 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2163.6311 And the neighbors smelled the scent and they said that's where her body was found. 2167.0111 1804 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2167.0111 (pause 0.46) 2167.4667 1805 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2167.4667 He had escaped to uh, New York- 2168.9411 1806 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2168.9411 (pause 0.11) 2169.0532 1807 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2169.0532 he had escaped to Jamaica. 2170.1977 1808 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2170.1977 (pause 0.51) 2170.7077 1809 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2170.7077 But he had came back to New York 2172.1010 1810 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2172.1010 (pause 0.14) 2172.2404 1811 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2172.2404 and he got k- stopped on a traffic violation. 2174.1008 1812 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2174.1008 (pause 0.32) 2174.4210 1813 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2174.4210 And they ran his prints. 2175.4983 1814 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2175.4983 (pause 0.58) 2176.0737 1815 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2176.0737 You know and they found out who he was- they knew who he was and that's how they caught him, 2179.1689 1816 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2179.1689 (pause 0.12) 2179.2930 1817 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2179.2930 you know for her- for her murder. 2180.3232 1818 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2180.3232 (pause 0.11) 2180.4353 1819 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2180.4353 You know. 2180.7900 1820 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2180.7900 (pause 0.57) 2181.3557 1821 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2181.3557 So [uh-] 2181.9520 1822 DCB_int_01 2181.8079 [Ooh.] 2182.2506 1823 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2182.4882 Yeah so this- 2183.1766 1824 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2183.1766 (pause 0.43) 2183.6048 1825 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2183.6048 you know then- then it was /?/ 2184.7853 1826 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2184.7853 (pause 0.09) 2184.8711 1827 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2184.8711 a whole lot of stuff happened like the crack years you know I m- 2187.3020 1828 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2187.3020 (pause 0.38) 2187.6822 1829 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2187.6822 I remember seeing guys get killed, literally get their brains blown out right in front of me, 2191.0495 1830 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2191.0495 (pause 0.38) 2191.4257 1831 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2191.4257 you know, guy named /RD-NAME-2/ I remember his brains being laying on the curb you know cause that's- they 2195.5654 1832 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2195.5654 (pause 0.42) 2195.9891 1833 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2195.9891 told him not to sell drugs he was a /skreaky/ clean guy and they told him not to sell drugs he wanted to sell 2199.9918 1834 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2199.9918 (pause 0.28) 2200.2688 1835 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2200.2688 crack anyway. 2201.0430 1836 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2201.0430 (pause 0.52) 2201.5672 1837 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2201.5672 Uh, one day we heard some uh, stick out- stick up boys coming down the street 2205.0928 1838 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2205.0928 (pause 0.86) 2205.9550 1839 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2205.9550 and he said he wasn't going anywhere. 2207.2316 1840 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2207.2316 (pause 0.95) 2208.1858 1841 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2208.1858 He didn't go anywhere they came down somebody told 'em h- that he had the drugs cause they came and asked 2212.0916 1842 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2212.0916 (pause 0.29) 2212.3855 1843 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2212.3855 stick up boys /??/ who- who- who got it, you know? 2214.4842 1844 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2214.4842 (pause 0.48) 2214.9605 1845 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2214.9605 That's how they used to say, who got it, so if somebody pointed to /RD-NAME-2/ they went to /RD-NAME-2/ they said, 2218.4898 1846 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2218.4898 (pause 0.31) 2218.7978 1847 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2218.7978 give it up. 2219.2405 1848 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2219.2405 (pause 0.30) 2219.5421 1849 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2219.5421 And he said, I ain't giving you nothing, you know so 2221.2789 1850 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2221.2789 (pause 0.39) 2221.6689 1851 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2221.6689 they chased him around the car and eventually had to pull the gun out 2224.1260 1852 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2224.1260 (pause 0.39) 2224.5200 1853 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2224.5200 and said, you don't give it up then I'm'a shoot you, you know and he didn't give it up. 2227.3493 1854 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2227.3493 (pause 0.33) 2227.6752 1855 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2227.6752 And they shot him in the head and he fell to the curb and 2230.3579 1856 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2230.3579 (pause 0.71) 2231.0666 1857 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2231.0666 blew his brains out. 2231.8367 1858 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2231.8367 (pause 0.16) 2231.9968 1859 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2231.9968 And his brains are laying right on the curb til even when they came and got him his brains were still laying- laying there. 2235.7145 1860 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2235.7145 (pause 0.78) 2236.4926 1861 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2236.4926 You know. 2236.7927 1862 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2236.7927 (pause 0.59) 2237.3845 1863 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2237.3845 I mean guys like uh, 2238.7125 1864 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2238.7125 (pause 0.26) 2238.9773 1865 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2238.9773 I knew 2239.3695 1866 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2239.3695 (pause 0.52) 2239.8937 1867 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2239.8937 guy I grew up with he got shot four times 2241.8346 1868 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2241.8346 (pause 0.39) 2242.2286 1869 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2242.2286 right in front of my face you know got shot in the um- 2244.3375 1870 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2244.3375 (pause 1.07) 2245.4078 1871 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2245.4078 he got shot- first he got shot in the uh, forearm, 2247.3367 1872 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2247.3367 (pause 0.58) 2247.9125 1873 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2247.9125 then he got shot in the groin, 2249.1365 1874 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2249.1365 (pause 0.15) 2249.2891 1875 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2249.2891 then he got shot in the buttocks and when he got across the street, 2251.4621 1876 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2251.4621 (pause 0.34) 2251.8023 1877 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2251.8023 trying to get away from the guy the guy shot him in the back, that's when he fell. 2254.5850 1878 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2254.5850 (pause 0.44) 2255.0256 1879 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2255.0256 You know. 2255.3195 1880 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2255.3195 (pause 0.37) 2255.6916 1881 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2255.6916 So he died, I testified against the young guy, the young guy he 2258.4743 1882 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2258.4743 (pause 0.17) 2258.6428 1883 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2258.6428 he got off cause he's a /skreaky/ clean- 2260.0561 1884 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2260.0561 (pause 0.08) 2260.1355 1885 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2260.1355 squeaky clean looking guy, young guy. 2262.0701 1886 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2262.0701 (pause 0.50) 2262.5744 1887 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2262.5744 Ten women, two men, uh, they 2264.3544 1888 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2264.3544 (pause 0.23) 2264.5851 1889 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2264.5851 refuted my testimony cause they knew I was a drug addict they- they figured I was just 2267.8065 1890 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2267.8065 (pause 0.32) 2268.1222 1891 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2268.1222 there as a witness to get the money, 2269.3908 1892 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2269.3908 (pause 0.25) 2269.6429 1893 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2269.6429 so. 2269.9351 1894 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2269.9351 (pause 0.56) 2270.4953 1895 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2270.4953 There plus I used to run a lot of errands for the young guys go to the store for 'em, you know buy liquor for 'em in front of the liquor store if they couldn't buy. 2275.8185 1896 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2275.8185 (pause 0.44) 2276.2633 1897 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2276.2633 You know washing cars and stuff like that you know when I was on drugs real bad. 2279.0004 1898 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2279.0004 (pause 0.47) 2279.4728 1899 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2279.4728 So they refuted my testimony made it look like I was just you know somebody that 2282.9957 1900 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2282.9957 (pause 0.32) 2283.3159 1901 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2283.3159 was in it you know just to get the witness money you know and um, 2285.6092 1902 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2285.6092 (pause 0.82) 2286.4293 1903 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2286.4293 so they let- the guy got off, he got off of killing my friend. 2289.2695 1904 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2289.2695 (pause 0.35) 2289.6183 1905 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2289.6183 Eventually uh, some years later, 2291.4272 1906 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2291.4272 (pause 0.22) 2291.6513 1907 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2291.6513 even though 2292.1619 1908 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2292.1619 (pause 0.33) 2292.4957 1909 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2292.4957 I had testified against him he had got off he 2294.2685 1910 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2294.2685 (pause 0.31) 2294.5796 1911 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2294.5796 eventually was killed hisself in LeDroit Park. 2296.3725 1912 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2296.3725 (pause 0.16) 2296.5285 1913 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2296.5285 You know. 2296.8592 1914 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2296.8592 (pause 0.41) 2297.2689 1915 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2297.2689 Got his head b- head blown off, you know. 2298.8816 1916 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2298.8816 (pause 0.70) 2299.5820 1917 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2299.5820 So that's how- that's- that's the 2301.3428 1918 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2301.3428 (pause 0.21) 2301.5549 1919 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2301.5549 a- people were dying, they were dropping like flies back then. 2303.7960 1920 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2303.7960 (pause 0.56) 2304.3558 1921 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2304.3558 Eighty- 2305.0064 1922 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2305.0064 (pause 0.43) 2305.4403 1923 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2305.4403 eighty eight, 2306.0509 1924 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2306.0509 (pause 0.37) 2306.4207 1925 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2306.4207 eighty nine, ninety. 2307.9327 1926 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2307.9327 (pause 0.48) 2308.4154 1927 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2308.4154 You know, 2308.8767 1928 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2308.8767 (pause 0.23) 2309.1037 1929 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2309.1037 I don't know if you know but it was a- that was a- that was a real tumultuous years for like murders in the District, you know. 2313.8495 1930 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2313.8495 (pause 0.42) 2314.2656 1931 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2314.2656 That was like one of the highest 2315.8264 1932 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2315.8264 (pause 0.67) 2316.4964 1933 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2316.4964 uh, what do you call murder m- um- 2318.3533 1934 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2318.3533 (pause 0.48) 2318.8335 1935 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2318.8335 we had one of the highest murder rates you know those years in DC 2321.5503 1936 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2321.5503 (pause 0.20) 2321.7464 1937 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2321.7464 that we ha- had ever had cause people were 2323.2551 1938 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2323.2551 (pause 0.31) 2323.5673 1939 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2323.5673 dying so much from crack cocaine and turf wars and all that stuff so 2327.1507 1940 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2327.1507 (pause 0.66) 2327.8088 1941 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2327.8088 that's pretty much what we was going through. 2329.3535 1942 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2329.3535 (pause 0.10) 2329.4575 1943 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2329.4575 But uh, 2329.8962 1944 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2329.8962 (pause 0.55) 2330.4415 1945 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2330.4415 I say there were some good years growing up in the neighborhood like fifties, sixties 2333.7791 1946 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2333.7791 (pause 0.32) 2334.1032 1947 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2334.1032 were good, 2334.6795 1948 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2334.6795 (pause 0.15) 2334.8315 1949 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2334.8315 you know. 2335.3395 1950 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2335.3395 (pause 0.45) 2335.7915 1951 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2335.7915 Uh, 2336.4315 1952 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2336.4315 (pause 0.51) 2336.9441 1953 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2336.9441 close knit neighborhood. 2338.0486 1954 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2338.0486 (pause 0.25) 2338.3007 1955 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2338.3007 Knew everybody. 2339.1491 1956 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2339.1491 (pause 0.33) 2339.4750 1957 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2339.4750 Stuck together 2340.3337 1958 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2340.3337 (pause 0.17) 2340.5075 1959 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2340.5075 you know. 2340.9595 1960 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2340.9595 (pause 0.38) 2341.3359 1961 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2341.3359 Uh, 2341.8919 1962 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2341.8919 (pause 1.11) 2343.0046 1963 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2343.0046 had a lot of fun you know, but then those 2345.5846 1964 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2345.5846 (pause 0.32) 2345.9055 1965 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2345.9055 drug years took over 2347.0362 1966 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2347.0362 (pause 0.17) 2347.2021 1967 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2347.2021 from the late sixties 2348.5821 1968 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2348.5821 (pause 0.36) 2348.9424 1969 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2348.9424 into the seventies and eighties 2350.4031 1970 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2350.4031 (pause 0.11) 2350.5112 1971 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2350.5112 those were like the drug years, even into the nineties. 2352.8778 1972 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2352.8778 (pause 0.50) 2353.3765 1973 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2353.3765 You know with the crack cocaine, 2354.8767 1974 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2354.8767 (pause 0.07) 2354.9488 1975 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2354.9488 the late eighties, nineties was crack cocaine. 2356.7336 1976 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2356.7336 (pause 0.40) 2357.1378 1977 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2357.1378 That devastated a lot of people, that made a lot of m- uh, men into mice 2360.0551 1978 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2360.0551 (pause 0.08) 2360.1392 1979 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2360.1392 you know. 2360.5113 1980 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2360.5113 (pause 0.63) 2361.1392 1981 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2361.1392 So [uh,] 2361.9338 1982 DCB_int_01 2361.6434 [Mm.] 2362.0356 1983 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2363.0280 pretty much /yeah./ 2364.1806 1984 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2364.1806 (pause 0.46) 2364.6448 1985 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2364.6448 You got some questions? 2365.3301 1986 DCB_int_01 2366.1690 A couple. 2366.6813 1987 DCB_int_01 2366.6813 (pause 0.19) 2366.8734 1988 DCB_int_01 2366.8734 I- 2367.8214 1989 DCB_int_01 2367.8214 (pause 0.10) 2367.9178 1990 DCB_int_01 2367.9178 have so many things I wanted to ask about. 2369.8243 1991 DCB_int_01 2369.8243 (pause 0.33) 2370.1584 1992 DCB_int_01 2370.1584 Thinking about the Civil Rights 2371.5871 1993 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2371.6191 Mm. 2371.9791 1994 DCB_int_01 2371.7071 [like] that time, cause I mean in DC like 2374.2643 1995 DCB_int_01 2374.6463 things were happening you had the march, you [had] 2376.8436 1996 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2376.5249 [Mm.] 2376.8142 1997 DCB_int_01 2377.1612 the speech then you had Dr. King assass- you had Kennedy, 2379.4465 1998 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2379.6041 Mm. 2379.8242 1999 DCB_int_01 2379.9843 how was the Civil- I mean I know you were young at [that] point you were [still] 2382.9349 2000 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2381.9349 Mm. 2382.1230 2001 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2382.1230 (pause 0.32) 2382.4432 2002 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2382.4432 Mm. 2382.6792 2003 DCB_int_01 2383.2173 little like a [little] kid. 2384.5842 2004 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2383.8918 [Mm.] 2384.1438 2005 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2384.1438 (pause 0.40) 2384.5441 2006 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2384.5441 Mm-hm. 2384.8923 2007 DCB_int_01 2385.1644 But what do you remember like, do you remember your dad and your mom talking about it? Do you remember like 2389.5218 2008 DCB_int_01 2389.5218 (pause 0.13) 2389.6558 2009 DCB_int_01 2389.6558 par- did you participate in the 2390.9044 2010 DCB_int_01 2390.9044 (pause 0.22) 2391.1245 2011 DCB_int_01 2391.1245 first march [like] what do you remember? How was the [city], the vibe? 2394.3990 2012 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2391.9146 [Mm.] 2392.1347 2013 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2392.1347 (pause 1.19) 2393.3233 2014 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2393.3233 [Um-] 2393.6206 2015 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2395.2740 Well the vibe in the city was pretty much- 2396.9846 2016 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2396.9846 (pause 0.14) 2397.1268 2017 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2397.1268 uh, we- we still had- 2398.6551 2018 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2398.6551 (pause 0.45) 2399.1033 2019 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2399.1033 experienced repercussions from the South you know, segregation 2402.0724 2020 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2402.0724 (pause 0.35) 2402.4226 2021 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2402.4226 uh, from the fifties you know and even beyond uh, further back 2405.6091 2022 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2405.6091 (pause 0.23) 2405.8361 2023 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2405.8361 uh, 2406.2415 2024 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2406.2415 (pause 0.48) 2406.7201 2025 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2406.7201 early- earlier years segregation uh, 2408.8891 2026 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2408.8891 (pause 0.30) 2409.1892 2027 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2409.1892 uh, 2409.5292 2028 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2409.5292 (pause 0.61) 2410.1417 2029 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2410.1417 with uh, 2410.6230 2030 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2410.6230 (pause 0.71) 2411.3302 2031 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2411.3302 water fountains and bathrooms with black only, colored only, 2414.6731 2032 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2414.6731 (pause 0.27) 2414.9452 2033 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2414.9452 white only, those type well not black but colored only, white only. 2417.8091 2034 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2417.8091 (pause 0.51) 2418.3188 2035 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2418.3188 We uh, had travelled to the South back in the uh, l- uh, late fifties 2421.7901 2036 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2421.7901 (pause 0.97) 2422.7604 2037 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2422.7604 uh, 2423.2446 2038 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2423.2446 (pause 0.28) 2423.5207 2039 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2423.5207 early s- uh, late fifties we had drove my father down south and 2426.6114 2040 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2426.6114 (pause 0.39) 2426.9979 2041 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2426.9979 we remember uh, not- 2428.3025 2042 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2428.3025 (pause 0.13) 2428.4345 2043 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2428.4345 being turned away from uh, 2429.9652 2044 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2429.9652 (pause 0.59) 2430.5555 2045 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2430.5555 uh, restroom- rest area you know to use the bathroom and 2433.3862 2046 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2433.3862 (pause 0.33) 2433.7125 2047 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2433.7125 we had to use the bathroom in the field, 2435.0472 2048 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2435.0472 (pause 0.33) 2435.3790 2049 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2435.3790 uh, 2435.7884 2050 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2435.7884 (pause 0.74) 2436.5316 2051 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2436.5316 uh, s- they still had those colored only uh, 2438.5365 2052 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2438.5365 (pause 0.38) 2438.9207 2053 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2438.9207 water fountains. 2439.6930 2054 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2439.6930 (pause 0.51) 2440.2008 2055 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2440.2008 Uh, 2440.6490 2056 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2440.6490 (pause 0.57) 2441.2213 2057 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2441.2213 then uh, 2441.7986 2058 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2441.7986 (pause 0.66) 2442.4538 2059 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2442.4538 we- we saw on television in the si- sixties when 2445.5235 2060 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2445.5235 (pause 0.30) 2445.8229 2061 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2445.8229 um, 2446.2752 2062 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2446.2752 (pause 0.59) 2446.8674 2063 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2446.8674 people were hosed and dogs were sicked on people, we saw that. 2450.4354 2064 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2450.4354 (pause 0.40) 2450.8368 2065 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2450.8368 We knew Medgar Evers was like a civil rights activist, we knew he had been killed. 2454.5446 2066 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2454.5446 (pause 0.43) 2454.9703 2067 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2454.9703 Uh, we knew that uh, 2455.9507 2068 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2455.9507 (pause 0.08) 2456.0307 2069 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2456.0307 uh, 2456.3734 2070 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2456.3734 (pause 0.24) 2456.6150 2071 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2456.6150 The Ku Klux Klan had been uh, fire bombing people's homes. 2459.6977 2072 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2459.6977 (pause 0.44) 2460.1406 2073 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2460.1406 You know we knew that um, 2461.8580 2074 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2461.8580 (pause 0.99) 2462.8454 2075 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2462.8454 /look at the- the/ 2463.8059 2076 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2463.8059 (pause 0.16) 2463.9637 2077 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2463.9637 black- the um, black Muslims you know Muha- Elijah Muhammed and the Nation of Islam, they 2467.9384 2078 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2467.9384 (pause 0.32) 2468.2572 2079 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2468.2572 had uh, talked about white men being devils you know so we pretty much 2471.4787 2080 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2471.4787 (pause 0.39) 2471.8709 2081 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2471.8709 uh, had the mentality that you know uh, 2474.1841 2082 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2474.1841 (pause 0.36) 2474.5437 2083 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2474.5437 the white man was evil, the white man was the devil you know and we didn't trust white people. 2478.6250 2084 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2478.6250 (pause 0.42) 2479.0413 2085 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2479.0413 Um, 2479.5026 2086 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2479.5026 (pause 0.46) 2479.9617 2087 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2479.9617 I saw for myself nineteen fifty four- 2482.0787 2088 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2482.0787 (pause 0.29) 2482.3668 2089 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2482.3668 I mean nineteen fifty eight 2483.2802 2090 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2483.2802 (pause 0.38) 2483.6590 2091 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2483.6590 when I was four years old, living on V Street, before we moved on W Street. 2486.8299 2092 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2486.8299 (pause 0.33) 2487.1606 2093 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2487.1606 seeing uh, a white couple coming down the street with a- 2489.3274 2094 DCB_int_01 2491.9921 I'm sorry. 2492.9161 2095 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2496.6058 white couple coming down the street with a uh, 2498.3471 2096 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2498.3471 (pause 1.36) 2499.7032 2097 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2499.7032 just married sign on the back of their uh, orange and uh, 2502.5125 2098 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2502.5125 (pause 0.24) 2502.7562 2099 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2502.7562 white Chevrolet. 2503.6486 2100 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2503.6486 (pause 0.70) 2504.3489 2101 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2504.3489 They uh, 2505.1116 2102 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2505.1116 (pause 0.76) 2505.8696 2103 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2505.8696 stopped at a corner down the street where a lady named /RD-NAME-2/ lived with her dad and 2509.3541 2104 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2509.3541 (pause 0.26) 2509.6149 2105 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2509.6149 she was sweeping the front and 2510.8256 2106 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2510.8256 (pause 0.31) 2511.1334 2107 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2511.1334 they asked her for uh, she could- they could get some water 2513.5866 2108 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2513.5866 (pause 0.24) 2513.8266 2109 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2513.8266 to drink 2514.1906 2110 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2514.1906 (pause 0.52) 2514.7088 2111 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2514.7088 and her dad came out and asked what w- what did they want, 2517.4518 2112 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2517.4518 (pause 0.58) 2518.0361 2113 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2518.0361 she told him uh, dad they said they want some water, you know. 2521.0215 2114 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2521.0215 (pause 1.28) 2522.2976 2115 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2522.2976 They just got married and they uh, they want some water before- you know, 2524.8988 2116 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2524.8988 (pause 0.31) 2525.2070 2117 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2525.2070 before they go on their way. 2526.1194 2118 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2526.1194 (pause 0.26) 2526.3790 2119 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2526.3790 So he said, well wait right here I'll get you some water. And he went in the house and when he came back out he had a bucket, he had a- he had a pale of water and he dumped it on 'em, 2532.8976 2120 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2532.8976 (pause 0.56) 2533.4539 2121 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2533.4539 and soaked 'em with the water and said like, get the hell off my property, you know. 2536.7994 2122 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2536.7994 (pause 0.42) 2537.2151 2123 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2537.2151 So, 2537.6113 2124 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2537.6113 (pause 0.18) 2537.7914 2125 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2537.7914 that was my first 2538.6638 2126 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2538.6638 (pause 0.18) 2538.8479 2127 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2538.8479 experience with 2539.6763 2128 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2539.6763 (pause 0.34) 2540.0164 2129 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2540.0164 you know, 2540.4326 2130 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2540.4326 (pause 0.50) 2540.9329 2131 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2540.9329 racial- racial tension you know, seeing that happen 2543.6089 2132 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2543.6089 (pause 0.30) 2543.9058 2133 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2543.9058 when I was four years old. 2544.8484 2134 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2544.8484 (pause 0.44) 2545.2864 2135 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2545.2864 And then I was- r- I remember when I was about uh, six 2547.9236 2136 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2547.9236 (pause 0.58) 2548.5034 2137 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2548.5034 uh, 2548.9461 2138 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2548.9461 (pause 0.24) 2549.1877 2139 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2549.1877 I was in like the first grade, went on a field trip. 2551.5568 2140 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2551.5568 (pause 0.50) 2552.0571 2141 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2552.0571 We went on a field trip- no it was second, I'm sorry, 2553.8775 2142 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2553.8775 (pause 0.17) 2554.0438 2143 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2554.0438 Uh, when I was uh, 2555.1363 2144 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2555.1363 (pause 0.12) 2555.2559 2145 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2555.2559 when I was seven, 2555.9612 2146 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2555.9612 (pause 0.35) 2556.3123 2147 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2556.3123 second grade we went on a field trip and I remember um, 2558.8774 2148 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2558.8774 (pause 0.89) 2559.7699 2149 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2559.7699 the little- little class of white kids and we were a class of black kids and there wa- 2563.0150 2150 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2563.0150 (pause 0.18) 2563.1991 2151 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2563.1991 a little- little boy in the uh, white class 2565.1320 2152 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2565.1320 (pause 0.86) 2565.9941 2153 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2565.9941 looked over and said- said to his teacher he says, look Miss- 2568.6354 2154 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2568.6354 (pause 0.13) 2568.7630 2155 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2568.7630 Miss Johnson, or whatever her name was. 2570.5638 2156 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2570.5638 (pause 0.61) 2571.1721 2157 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2571.1721 A whole class of niggers. 2572.7408 2158 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2572.7408 (pause 0.22) 2572.9627 2159 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2572.9627 You know. 2573.4027 2160 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2573.4027 (pause 0.82) 2574.2232 2161 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2574.2232 And she didn't say anything, you know. She didn't say, watch your mouth, or anything it was just like, 2578.2401 2162 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2578.2401 (pause 0.40) 2578.6408 2163 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2578.6408 you know, come on guys, let's go- let's go over here. 2580.5337 2164 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2580.5337 (pause 0.40) 2580.9379 2165 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2580.9379 Well- 2581.4021 2166 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2581.4021 (pause 0.12) 2581.5239 2167 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2581.5239 but really 2582.0642 2168 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2582.0642 (pause 0.27) 2582.3323 2169 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2582.3323 that to me was like, 2583.4688 2170 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2583.4688 (pause 0.93) 2584.4030 2171 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2584.4030 he just called us a whole class of niggers you know, and that's- 2587.0042 2172 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2587.0042 (pause 0.40) 2587.4040 2173 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2587.4040 that was another experience with racism so- 2589.3186 2174 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2589.3186 (pause 1.69) 2591.0056 2175 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2591.0056 We knew that uh, 2592.6030 2176 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2592.6030 (pause 0.31) 2592.9140 2177 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2592.9140 that there was racial- racial tension in- in America. 2595.4018 2178 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2595.4018 (pause 0.43) 2595.8314 2179 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2595.8314 You know we knew that 2597.1421 2180 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2597.1421 (pause 0.09) 2597.2360 2181 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2597.2360 blacks had for so long been 2598.6560 2182 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2598.6560 (pause 0.36) 2599.0124 2183 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2599.0124 uh, what do you call it? 2599.9008 2184 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2599.9008 (pause 0.35) 2600.2530 2185 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2600.2530 rele- uh, 2600.8653 2186 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2600.8653 (pause 0.26) 2601.1214 2187 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2601.1214 uh, 2601.6976 2188 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2601.6976 (pause 1.20) 2602.9017 2189 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2602.9017 in other words 2603.5457 2190 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2603.5457 (pause 0.13) 2603.6741 2191 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2603.6741 looked upon as like, less than human. 2605.7848 2192 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2605.7848 (pause 0.34) 2606.1272 2193 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2606.1272 We knew that um, 2607.3579 2194 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2607.3579 (pause 0.46) 2607.8138 2195 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2607.8138 we- we- we were the struggle. 2609.7778 2196 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2609.7778 (pause 0.63) 2610.4110 2197 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2610.4110 And we knew that 2611.1416 2198 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2611.1416 (pause 0.48) 2611.6191 2199 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2611.6191 uh, despite the struggle, we were a strong people. 2613.8469 2200 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2613.8469 (pause 0.17) 2614.0202 2201 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2614.0202 You know, 2614.3683 2202 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2614.3683 (pause 0.43) 2614.8005 2203 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2614.8005 and uh, James Brown 2616.5974 2204 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2616.5974 (pause 0.09) 2616.6890 2205 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2616.6890 w- uh, in the sixties when 2617.8095 2206 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2617.8095 (pause 0.32) 2618.1336 2207 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2618.1336 he made records like Say it Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud. 2620.4405 2208 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2620.4405 (pause 0.28) 2620.7206 2209 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2620.7206 Those are the things that really fueled us and gave us you know, 2623.1497 2210 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2623.1497 (pause 0.38) 2623.5299 2211 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2623.5299 uh, the incentive and the initiative to like have pride in ourselves. 2626.7712 2212 DCB_int_01 2626.8687 [Right.] (whispered) 2627.4594 2213 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2627.1769 [You know] uh, 2627.9132 2214 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2628.7496 I don't want- I don't want nobody giving me nothing, open up the door, I'll get it myself, you know, so James Brown was really 2633.6159 2215 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2633.6159 (pause 0.35) 2633.9636 2216 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2633.9636 uh, uh, 2634.5558 2217 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2634.5558 (pause 0.18) 2634.7359 2218 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2634.7359 instrumental 2635.3482 2219 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2635.3482 (pause 0.35) 2635.6964 2220 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2635.6964 in giving us a lot of motivation, a lot of hope. 2637.6493 2221 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2637.6493 (pause 0.40) 2638.0450 2222 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2638.0450 You know. 2638.3703 2223 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2638.3703 (pause 0.33) 2638.6973 2224 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2638.6973 Uh, 2639.2280 2225 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2639.2280 (pause 0.15) 2639.3776 2226 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2639.3776 people like uh, 2640.2016 2227 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2640.2016 (pause 0.17) 2640.3741 2228 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2640.3741 H. Rap Brown, 2641.3985 2229 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2641.3985 (pause 0.39) 2641.7907 2230 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2641.7907 um, 2642.3030 2231 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2642.3030 (pause 0.23) 2642.5351 2232 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2642.5351 Marion Barry, Stokely Carmichael. 2644.6946 2233 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2644.6946 (pause 0.30) 2644.9940 2234 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2644.9940 Uh, 2645.5060 2235 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2645.5060 (pause 0.13) 2645.6383 2236 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2645.6383 they gave us hope. 2646.3316 2237 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2646.3316 (pause 0.33) 2646.6623 2238 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2646.6623 I wasn't really into the Black Panther movement, I wasn't into the- 2649.2595 2239 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2649.2595 (pause 0.28) 2649.5436 2240 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2649.5436 I never believed in like, that radical type 2651.4370 2241 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2651.4370 (pause 0.14) 2651.5806 2242 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2651.5806 approach. 2652.1299 2243 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2652.1299 (pause 0.15) 2652.2844 2244 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2652.2844 You know. 2652.6446 2245 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2652.6446 (pause 0.31) 2652.9567 2246 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2652.9567 I was more so like with a passive activism- 2655.0497 2247 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2655.0497 (pause 0.14) 2655.1858 2248 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2655.1858 activist approach like King had, 2656.6184 2249 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2656.6184 (pause 0.30) 2656.9181 2250 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2656.9181 you know because I believe that you could also 2658.8590 2251 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2658.8590 (pause 0.44) 2659.2992 2252 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2659.2992 by, you know, uh, 2660.2432 2253 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2660.2432 (pause 0.18) 2660.4237 2254 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2660.4237 psychologically bring about change 2662.1383 2255 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2662.1383 (pause 0.27) 2662.4064 2256 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2662.4064 without having to use violence, you know. 2664.0152 2257 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2664.0152 (pause 0.31) 2664.3268 2258 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2664.3268 Although 2664.8575 2259 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2664.8575 (pause 0.26) 2665.1152 2260 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2665.1152 Malcolm X was more so- they were more so radical 2667.3322 2261 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2667.3322 (pause 0.33) 2667.6621 2262 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2667.6621 but even Malcolm X found out for himself that he was being betrayed by the Nation of Islam. 2671.1829 2263 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2671.1829 (pause 0.28) 2671.4657 2264 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2671.4657 You know. 2671.8058 2265 DCB_int_01 2671.8378 [Mm-hm.] 2672.4619 2266 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2672.1580 [Yeah uh], and the fact that Elijah Muhammed 2674.1380 2267 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2674.4626 you know was uh- actually had sex with so many girls and had- 2676.7717 2268 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2676.7717 (pause 0.31) 2677.0798 2269 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2677.0798 had 2677.3051 2270 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2677.3051 (pause 0.28) 2677.5880 2271 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2677.5880 fathered so many children but yet wasn't even 2679.3849 2272 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2679.3849 (pause 0.11) 2679.4929 2273 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2679.4929 taking care of his responsibilities so 2681.0897 2274 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2681.0897 (pause 0.35) 2681.4414 2275 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2681.4414 those types of things I f- I learned when I was younger, you know. 2684.0066 2276 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2684.0066 (pause 0.40) 2684.4027 2277 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2684.4027 I knew that um, 2685.2441 2278 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2685.2441 (pause 0.45) 2685.6909 2279 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2685.6909 I- I used to- 2686.2669 2280 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2686.2669 (pause 0.52) 2686.7914 2281 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2686.7914 I used to look at uh, people like W.E.B. Du Bois and I really found out that he- 2689.7648 2282 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2689.7648 (pause 0.10) 2689.8666 2283 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2689.8666 he had- 2690.2186 2284 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2690.2186 (pause 0.30) 2690.5149 2285 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2690.5149 he had some ideologies that I don't- I don't agree with now 2692.9000 2286 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2692.9000 (pause 0.10) 2692.9960 2287 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2692.9960 you know. 2693.3482 2288 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2693.3482 (pause 0.38) 2693.7239 2289 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2693.7239 Uh, 2694.0480 2290 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2694.0480 (pause 0.27) 2694.3162 2291 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2694.3162 even- 2694.7402 2292 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2694.7402 (pause 0.23) 2694.9685 2293 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2694.9685 even now 2695.5687 2294 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2695.5687 (pause 0.28) 2695.8449 2295 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2695.8449 me growing up 2696.5212 2296 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2696.5212 (pause 1.10) 2697.6177 2297 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2697.6177 always believed in individual responsibility, you know. 2699.8267 2298 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2699.8267 (pause 0.41) 2700.2384 2299 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2700.2384 Entrepreneurship, you know. 2701.5871 2300 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2701.5871 (pause 0.34) 2701.9232 2301 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2701.9232 Work hard, 2702.5475 2302 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2702.5475 (pause 0.19) 2702.7356 2303 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2702.7356 you know uh, if you want anything 2704.1823 2304 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2704.1823 (pause 0.31) 2704.4960 2305 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2704.4960 like my father you know you- you- you work hard you get it you know, you attain it. 2707.9833 2306 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2707.9833 (pause 0.48) 2708.4636 2307 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2708.4636 You strive for it, I didn't believe in so much 2710.5609 2308 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2710.5609 (pause 0.59) 2711.1466 2309 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2711.1466 uh, 2711.4532 2310 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2711.4532 (pause 0.21) 2711.6668 2311 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2711.6668 affirmative action in terms of like you know, using it 2713.8638 2312 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2713.8638 (pause 0.33) 2714.1937 2313 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2714.1937 as a tool to say that 2715.7545 2314 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2715.7545 (pause 0.30) 2716.0506 2315 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2716.0506 blacks should get opportunity above someone else that's- that's 2718.5895 2316 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2718.5895 (pause 0.18) 2718.7696 2317 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2718.7696 just as well qualified, you know. 2720.2696 2318 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2720.2696 (pause 0.38) 2720.6500 2319 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2720.6500 I believe in more equal op- opportunity, 2722.3148 2320 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2722.3148 (pause 0.11) 2722.4269 2321 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2722.4269 you know. 2722.7855 2322 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2722.7855 (pause 0.35) 2723.1392 2323 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2723.1392 So basically I knew about the Civil Rights struggle. 2725.2032 2324 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2725.2032 (pause 0.45) 2725.6519 2325 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2725.6519 And I knew that King had- had- 2727.3247 2326 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2727.3247 (pause 0.26) 2727.5808 2327 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2727.5808 had- had a dream, 2728.6013 2328 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2728.6013 (pause 0.43) 2729.0335 2329 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2729.0335 had a goal that you know, 2730.3521 2330 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2730.3521 (pause 0.37) 2730.7258 2331 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2730.7258 we could all live together as one, 2732.1728 2332 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2732.1728 (pause 0.14) 2732.3105 2333 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2732.3105 you know. 2732.6747 2334 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2732.6747 (pause 1.27) 2733.9450 2335 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2733.9450 And even today you know I- I really- it really disheartens me to see how so many black people have pretty much uh- uh- uh- uh, 2740.2075 2336 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2740.2075 (pause 0.10) 2740.3035 2337 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2740.3035 tainted and distorted that dream. 2741.9523 2338 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2741.9523 (pause 0.31) 2742.2604 2339 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2742.2604 You know, 2742.6126 2340 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2742.6126 (pause 0.32) 2742.9367 2341 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2742.9367 by taking for granted you know, the freedoms that we have, 2745.7034 2342 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2745.7034 (pause 0.43) 2746.1297 2343 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2746.1297 you know, even to the point of like not even 2748.3268 2344 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2748.3268 (pause 0.32) 2748.6464 2345 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2748.6464 recognizing that 2749.5509 2346 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2749.5509 (pause 0.47) 2750.0231 2347 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2750.0231 you know the fact that w- they have taken so much for granted 2752.4282 2348 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2752.4282 (pause 0.16) 2752.5843 2349 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2752.5843 in terms of like you know jobs and opportunity that we've had that have been presented to us 2756.4403 2350 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2756.4403 (pause 0.35) 2756.7875 2351 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2756.7875 that we have not taken advantage of as black- as a people. 2759.1502 2352 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2759.1502 (pause 0.29) 2759.4367 2353 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2759.4367 We have not stuck together, we have not been cohesive, you know we- 2762.0099 2354 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2762.0099 (pause 0.30) 2762.3096 2355 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2762.3096 we're- we're distant, we're- we're um, 2764.0549 2356 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2764.0549 (pause 0.40) 2764.4506 2357 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2764.4506 we're divisive, you know. 2765.5831 2358 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2765.5831 (pause 0.36) 2765.9393 2359 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2765.9393 We- we tend to hate one another, 2767.6921 2360 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2767.6921 (pause 0.26) 2767.9518 2361 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2767.9518 which- for no- for no reason. 2769.4864 2362 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2769.4864 (pause 0.19) 2769.6766 2363 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2769.6766 You know. 2770.0032 2364 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2770.0032 (pause 0.34) 2770.3449 2365 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2770.3449 But it's a- it's a- it is a reason. It's a re- the reason is because we been pitted against each other. 2773.9969 2366 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2773.9969 (pause 0.32) 2774.3142 2367 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2774.3142 Well they talk about like Willie Lynch syndrome. 2776.2302 2368 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2776.2302 (pause 0.26) 2776.4872 2369 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2776.4872 You know talking about how 2777.5953 2370 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2777.5953 (pause 0.31) 2777.9034 2371 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2777.9034 uh, 2778.1808 2372 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2778.1808 (pause 0.10) 2778.2796 2373 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2778.2796 Willie Lynch you know was when somebody came from the s- 2780.2045 2374 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2780.2045 (pause 0.33) 2780.5327 2375 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2780.5327 from the uh, it's like the- the islands, the Indie- West Indies the- 2783.6540 2376 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2783.6540 (pause 0.24) 2783.8977 2377 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2783.8977 told the slave owners about, hey, you know, 2785.7306 2378 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2785.7306 (pause 0.57) 2786.2989 2379 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2786.2989 don't 2786.6110 2380 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2786.6110 (pause 0.15) 2786.7591 2381 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2786.7591 beat your slaves to death, you know, don't- don't- 2788.6271 2382 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2788.6271 (pause 0.35) 2788.9796 2383 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2788.9796 don't destroy what you uh, 2790.6284 2384 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2790.6284 (pause 0.13) 2790.7627 2385 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2790.7627 what you- what makes your money. 2791.9552 2386 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2791.9552 (pause 0.16) 2792.1109 2387 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2792.1109 You know. 2792.4510 2388 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2792.4510 (pause 0.36) 2792.8072 2389 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2792.8072 In other words pit the young against the old and 2794.6400 2390 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2794.6400 (pause 0.31) 2794.9482 2391 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2794.9482 the dark against the light skin you know the- 2796.7645 2392 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2796.7645 (pause 0.32) 2797.0847 2393 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2797.0847 the weaker one against the stronger one and you do that, 2799.1176 2394 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2799.1176 (pause 0.19) 2799.3097 2395 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2799.3097 says, 2799.7404 2396 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2799.7404 (pause 0.21) 2799.9460 2397 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2799.9460 they'll always be uh- 2801.1986 2398 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2801.1986 (pause 0.23) 2801.4245 2399 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2801.4245 beholden to you. 2802.2231 2400 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2802.2231 (pause 0.45) 2802.6690 2401 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2802.6690 [You know.] 2803.0024 2402 DCB_int_01 2802.7571 [Mm-hm.] 2803.1130 2403 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2803.3774 So we- we pretty much fall into that mentality where we have 2807.0244 2404 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2807.0244 (pause 0.28) 2807.3005 2405 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2807.3005 hatred towards the light skinned brother, 2808.9658 2406 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2808.9658 (pause 0.27) 2809.2334 2407 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2809.2334 you know hatred towards the- the- the- the black sister you know. 2811.9586 2408 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2811.9586 (pause 0.34) 2812.2983 2409 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2812.2983 Hatred towards someone 2813.4469 2410 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2813.4469 (pause 0.29) 2813.7350 2411 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2813.7350 who's less fortunate than ourselves or someone who's better- 2816.0241 2412 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2816.0241 (pause 0.21) 2816.2322 2413 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2816.2322 who seems to be more affluent than ourselves. 2818.0010 2414 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2818.0010 (pause 0.38) 2818.3847 2415 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2818.3847 So 2818.6634 2416 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2818.6634 (pause 0.42) 2819.0850 2417 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2819.0850 we- we let- we let these things divide us and it cause us to like 2822.8147 2418 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2822.8147 (pause 0.44) 2823.2550 2419 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2823.2550 uh, 2823.7192 2420 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2823.7192 (pause 0.18) 2823.9028 2421 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2823.9028 you know it- these- we like to think there's still hatred in us 2826.2519 2422 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2826.2519 (pause 0.19) 2826.4440 2423 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2826.4440 towards one another 2827.3040 2424 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2827.3040 (pause 0.32) 2827.6205 2425 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2827.6205 where we 2828.3752 2426 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2828.3752 (pause 0.46) 2828.8326 2427 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2828.8326 had watched other uh, 2830.3853 2428 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2830.3853 (pause 0.18) 2830.5694 2429 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2830.5694 /ethnicicy-/ ethnicities and 2832.0581 2430 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2832.0581 (pause 0.32) 2832.3782 2431 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2832.3782 you know groups of people 2833.2729 2432 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2833.2729 (pause 0.21) 2833.4863 2433 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2833.4863 you know strive together and grow together and bond together 2835.8662 2434 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2835.8662 (pause 0.22) 2836.0875 2435 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2836.0875 you know while we once /??/ uh, 2837.8483 2436 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2837.8483 (pause 0.30) 2838.1502 2437 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2838.1502 you know, 2838.5129 2438 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2838.5129 (pause 0.25) 2838.7665 2439 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2838.7665 imploding or either like exploding 2840.7154 2440 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2840.7154 (pause 0.28) 2840.9995 2441 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2840.9995 you know tearing each other apart. 2842.0880 2442 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2842.0880 (pause 0.32) 2842.4077 2443 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2842.4077 You know. 2842.7159 2444 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2842.7159 (pause 0.47) 2843.1881 2445 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2843.1881 So, 2843.5214 2446 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2843.5214 (pause 1.12) 2844.6448 2447 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2844.6448 We've taken our eyes off the prize. 2846.3113 2448 DCB_int_01 2846.4531 [Mm.] 2846.6852 2449 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2846.4594 [You know] /and you/ talking about eyes on the prize but you know that documentary about King? We taking our eyes off the prize you know and we pretty much let- 2852.2471 2450 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2852.5377 let uh, let a lot of thing- even technology 2854.8506 2451 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2854.8506 (pause 0.14) 2854.9904 2452 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2854.9904 you know, separate us, you know. 2856.3190 2453 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2856.3190 (pause 0.40) 2856.7192 2454 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2856.7192 Just because people have access to cell phones and 2859.1483 2455 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2859.1483 (pause 0.34) 2859.4862 2456 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2859.4862 you know 2859.8409 2457 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2859.8409 (pause 0.07) 2859.9104 2458 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2859.9104 computers and 2860.7864 2459 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2860.7864 (pause 0.32) 2861.1030 2460 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2861.1030 uh, laptops uh, w- and- and- and iPads and 2863.9318 2461 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2863.9318 (pause 0.44) 2864.3760 2462 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2864.3760 you know what have you um- 2865.8687 2463 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2865.8687 (pause 0.99) 2866.8612 2464 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2866.8612 They cannot- okay and 2867.9355 2465 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2867.9355 (pause 0.16) 2868.0995 2466 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2868.0995 cable TV 2868.9382 2467 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2868.9382 (pause 0.46) 2869.3961 2468 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2869.3961 uh, 2869.7803 2469 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2869.7803 (pause 0.12) 2869.9004 2470 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2869.9004 and 2870.4526 2471 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2870.4526 (pause 0.16) 2870.6087 2472 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2870.6087 you cannot 2871.2410 2473 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2871.2410 (pause 0.16) 2871.4006 2474 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2871.4006 for a m- for a minute become complacent 2873.0534 2475 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2873.0534 (pause 0.28) 2873.3375 2476 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2873.3375 and feel that you know you 2874.4975 2477 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2874.4975 (pause 0.36) 2874.8542 2478 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2874.8542 uh, should let those things be 2876.4910 2479 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2876.4910 (pause 0.56) 2877.0468 2480 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2877.0468 you know, 2877.5270 2481 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2877.5270 (pause 0.46) 2877.9912 2482 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2877.9912 your driving force of you know, empowerment, those are not. 2880.5885 2483 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2880.5885 (pause 0.16) 2880.7525 2484 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2880.7525 They're not. You know, in other words those are just 2882.4773 2485 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2882.4773 (pause 0.29) 2882.7649 2486 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2882.7649 /to/ we're- we 2883.7089 2487 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2883.7089 (pause 0.26) 2883.9695 2488 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2883.9695 are consumers rather than manufacturers, you know. 2886.5547 2489 DCB_int_01 2886.5822 Mm-hm. 2886.9784 2490 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2886.9824 We don't- we don't- we don't- we- we don't- we don't manufacture anything as- as a group of people. 2891.1544 2491 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2891.1544 (pause 0.28) 2891.4342 2492 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2891.4342 You know. 2891.7596 2493 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2891.7596 (pause 0.19) 2891.9465 2494 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2891.9465 We're u- we- we're consumers, we're using a lot of things but we're not 2895.0585 2495 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2895.0585 (pause 0.40) 2895.4597 2496 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2895.4597 uh, 2895.9703 2497 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2895.9703 (pause 0.50) 2896.4721 2498 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2896.4721 encouraging our children to become engineers, scientists, you know. 2899.5215 2499 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2899.5215 (pause 0.35) 2899.8732 2500 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2899.8732 Uh, 2900.3199 2501 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2900.3199 (pause 0.22) 2900.5375 2502 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2900.5375 you know, physicists, you know we're not 2902.0302 2503 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2902.0302 (pause 0.24) 2902.2663 2504 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2902.2663 encouraging 2902.9547 2505 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2902.9547 (pause 0.20) 2903.1507 2506 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2903.1507 our group- race of people 2904.5274 2507 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2904.5274 (pause 0.31) 2904.8413 2508 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2904.8413 to be- to strive to be better than they are. 2906.6541 2509 DCB_int_01 2906.8866 Right 2907.0920 2510 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2907.0481 Plus 2907.3722 2511 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2907.4643 the fact that the drugs 2908.6848 2512 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2908.6848 (pause 0.48) 2909.1611 2513 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2909.1611 you know 2909.4612 2514 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2909.4612 (pause 0.38) 2909.8454 2515 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2909.8454 have devastated us as a p- as a people too. 2911.5742 2516 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2911.5742 (pause 0.12) 2911.6938 2517 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2911.6938 You know. 2912.0298 2518 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2912.0298 (pause 0.60) 2912.6262 2519 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2912.6262 We're not blaming, I'm not blaming any one particular 2915.2212 2520 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2915.2212 (pause 0.32) 2915.5373 2521 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2915.5373 you know, thing 2916.1813 2522 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2916.1813 (pause 0.25) 2916.4297 2523 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2916.4297 or entity on 2917.3301 2524 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2917.3301 (pause 0.17) 2917.5022 2525 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2917.5022 our failure as a people. 2918.8428 2526 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2918.8428 (pause 0.37) 2919.2106 2527 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2919.2106 But I'm saying that we as a people 2921.3636 2528 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2921.3636 (pause 0.37) 2921.7317 2529 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2921.7317 have been a failure 2922.7122 2530 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2922.7122 (pause 0.27) 2922.9803 2531 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2922.9803 amongst ourselves and to ourselves because 2925.0775 2532 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2925.0775 (pause 0.37) 2925.4450 2533 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2925.4450 of our lack of 2926.2614 2534 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2926.2614 (pause 0.39) 2926.6535 2535 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2926.6535 recognizing 2927.3322 2536 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2927.3322 (pause 0.50) 2927.8341 2537 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2927.8341 what these things are that we've allowed to 2930.1552 2538 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2930.1552 (pause 0.30) 2930.4548 2539 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2930.4548 creep into our society and our culture 2932.2997 2540 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2932.2997 (pause 0.29) 2932.5878 2541 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2932.5878 that have you know caused us to become 2934.3526 2542 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2934.3526 (pause 0.36) 2934.7123 2543 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2934.7123 you know a weak- 2935.4967 2544 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2935.4967 (pause 0.10) 2935.6008 2545 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2935.6008 a weak people. 2936.1781 2546 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2936.1781 (pause 0.34) 2936.5132 2547 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2936.5132 You [know so,] 2937.1572 2548 DCB_int_01 2936.6692 [Hm.] 2937.0974 2549 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2937.7097 you know all- I'm- I'm cognizant of the Civil Rights Movement, 2940.1669 2550 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2940.1669 (pause 0.10) 2940.2705 2551 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2940.2705 you know 2940.6105 2552 DCB_int_01 2940.6106 Mm-hm. 2941.0108 2553 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2941.0108 but 2941.3255 2554 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2941.8512 I don't think the benefits 2943.0995 2555 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2943.0995 (pause 0.18) 2943.2758 2556 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2943.2758 of it 2943.6278 2557 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2943.6278 (pause 1.17) 2944.8023 2558 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2944.8023 you know have been 2945.6947 2559 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2945.6947 (pause 0.34) 2946.0389 2560 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2946.0389 long sustaining. 2946.8513 2561 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2946.8513 (pause 0.13) 2946.9811 2562 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2946.9811 You know because of what we've allowed, 2949.1141 2563 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2949.1141 (pause 0.37) 2949.4822 2564 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2949.4822 you know, ourselves to become. 2950.5022 2565 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2950.5022 (pause 0.59) 2951.0945 2566 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2951.0945 You know. 2951.3705 2567 DCB_int_01 2951.3146 Mm-hm. 2951.6508 2568 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2951.9949 And so that's- 2952.6083 2569 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2952.6083 (pause 0.36) 2952.9634 2570 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2952.9634 that's the way- that's my take on it. 2954.0527 2571 DCB_int_01 2954.7700 So let me ask you I wanna 2956.1513 2572 DCB_int_01 2956.1513 (pause 0.22) 2956.3707 2573 DCB_int_01 2956.3707 shift gears for a few minutes um, 2958.8507 2574 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2958.9976 Mm. 2959.2303 2575 DCB_int_01 2959.4042 let's- 2959.7122 2576 DCB_int_01 2959.7122 (pause 0.21) 2959.9239 2577 DCB_int_01 2959.9239 oh, 2960.1719 2578 DCB_int_01 2960.1719 (pause 0.17) 2960.3441 2579 DCB_int_01 2960.3441 two- 2960.5962 2580 DCB_int_01 2960.5962 (pause 0.22) 2960.8123 2581 DCB_int_01 2960.8123 two questions. One, you talked a lot about James Brown and [his] music, 2964.6939 2582 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2963.9707 [Mm.] 2964.2407 2583 DCB_int_01 2965.1059 but one music that's very 2967.0628 2584 DCB_int_01 2967.0628 (pause 0.29) 2967.3509 2585 DCB_int_01 2967.3509 unique to DC is go go. 2969.0637 2586 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2969.0752 [Mm-hm.] 2969.4434 2587 DCB_int_01 2969.3354 [Did] you get into go go at all, did you- do you like it, do you listen to it? 2973.4813 2588 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2973.7094 Uh, I- I did, actually uh, 2975.6040 2589 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2975.6040 (pause 0.18) 2975.7859 2590 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2975.7859 I- 2976.1380 2591 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2976.1380 (pause 0.33) 2976.4702 2592 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2976.4702 part of my life was pretty much 2977.7308 2593 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2977.7308 (pause 0.35) 2978.0789 2594 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2978.0789 uh, playing music myself, you know, when I was twelve years old I got a guitar. 2981.0941 2595 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2981.0941 (pause 0.44) 2981.5383 2596 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2981.5383 Uh, 2982.0130 2597 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2982.0130 (pause 0.33) 2982.3462 2598 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2982.3462 I used to watch a old sitcom on TV called uh, 2985.2275 2599 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2985.2275 (pause 0.46) 2985.6838 2600 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2985.6838 the- uh, Ozzie and Harriet. 2986.9523 2601 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2986.9523 (pause 0.37) 2987.3205 2602 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2987.3205 You know. I don't know if you knew about that. 2988.6127 2603 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2988.6127 (pause 0.41) 2989.0248 2604 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2989.0248 Ozzie and Harriet was a sitcom and they had two sons, they had Ricky and David. 2991.8633 2605 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2991.8633 (pause 0.40) 2992.2663 2606 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2992.2663 And Ricky was uh- Ricky played the guitar and he used to wear a sport coat. 2995.0632 2607 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2995.0632 (pause 0.40) 2995.4674 2608 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2995.4674 And when I s- 2995.9916 2609 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2995.9916 (pause 0.12) 2996.1157 2610 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2996.1157 I saw Ricky wearing that sport coat playing the guitar, like toward the end of the show, 2999.4090 2611 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 2999.4090 (pause 0.84) 3000.2491 2612 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3000.2491 I really uh- and plus I knew about Elvis Presley too. 3002.6942 2613 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3002.6942 (pause 0.48) 3003.1785 2614 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3003.1785 So I really wanted to be uh, a rock star, I wanted to be you know a rock and roller, I wanted to learn how to play guitar. 3008.0705 2615 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3008.0705 (pause 0.68) 3008.7481 2616 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3008.7481 So I told my mom I wanted to play guitar and I was telling my buddies and I had a friend that played guitar but he was- 3013.1561 2617 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3013.1561 (pause 0.34) 3013.4979 2618 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3013.4979 started when he was like about three years old he had got a guitar and then- then 3016.4036 2619 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3016.4036 (pause 0.39) 3016.7954 2620 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3016.7954 we were in school and 3017.6718 2621 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3017.6718 (pause 0.50) 3018.1680 2622 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3018.1680 teacher asked us what our hobbies were and 3019.9412 2623 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3019.9412 (pause 0.37) 3020.3125 2624 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3020.3125 I didn't- couldn't think of a hobby. 3021.7824 2625 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3021.7824 (pause 0.15) 3021.9333 2626 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3021.9333 I did have a hobby, cause I used to collect comic books but I thought that was like- 3024.7426 2627 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3024.7426 (pause 0.43) 3025.1743 2628 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3025.1743 I thought they would laugh at me if I say I collect comic books. 3027.2023 2629 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3027.2023 (pause 0.46) 3027.6595 2630 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3027.6595 So I saw that he said he played guitar so I put it on my paper too, I play guitar. 3030.8169 2631 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3030.8169 (pause 0.42) 3031.2407 2632 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3031.2407 Teacher said, oh both of you- when she saw our papers she said, both of y'all play guitar, so she said- 3035.3418 2633 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3035.3418 (pause 0.31) 3035.6503 2634 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3035.6503 she said um, 3036.6347 2635 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3036.6347 (pause 0.53) 3037.1670 2636 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3037.1670 where do y'all- where do you play guitar? So then all of a sudden 3039.6000 2637 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3039.6000 (pause 0.14) 3039.7361 2638 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3039.7361 I just said, well he- he show- he's showing me how to play. 3042.1208 2639 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3042.1208 (pause 0.15) 3042.2689 2640 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3042.2689 He's teaching me how to play. 3043.1569 2641 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3043.1569 (pause 0.56) 3043.7175 2642 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3043.7175 So he look at me like, I'm te- I'm- 3045.0789 2643 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3045.0789 (pause 0.20) 3045.2742 2644 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3045.2742 what? You know and 3046.3948 2645 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3046.3948 (pause 0.61) 3047.0026 2646 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3047.0026 w- you know, he didn't know about it but eventually I said, can you teach me how to play? 3050.2383 2647 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3050.2383 (pause 0.82) 3051.0622 2648 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3051.0622 So he said, yeah I- I'll show you something when I get a chance, so- 3053.5581 2649 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3053.5581 (pause 0.13) 3053.6834 2650 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3053.6834 /and/ I- 3054.2448 2651 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3054.2448 (pause 0.17) 3054.4153 2652 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3054.4153 it kind of sparked my desire to wanna play guitar, 3056.2322 2653 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3056.2322 (pause 0.37) 3056.6003 2654 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3056.6003 got a guitar in nineteen sixty six when I was twelve, my father bought it for me and I- 3060.7818 2655 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3060.7818 (pause 0.68) 3061.4621 2656 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3061.4621 as- w- after getting one my mom said they couldn't afford it but I got one anyway. 3064.4941 2657 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3064.4941 (pause 0.62) 3065.1113 2658 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3065.1113 Started uh, learning how to play guitar from people and then teaching myself some things and 3068.4849 2659 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3068.4849 (pause 0.42) 3068.9011 2660 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3068.9011 Played guitar for some years and eventually 3071.4058 2661 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3071.4058 (pause 0.46) 3071.8660 2662 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3071.8660 um, 3072.3822 2663 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3072.3822 (pause 0.91) 3073.2907 2664 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3073.2907 and nineteen sixty six into nineteen uh, 3076.2827 2665 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3076.2827 (pause 0.71) 3076.9919 2666 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3076.9919 wanna say nineteen seventy- 3078.9239 2667 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3078.9239 (pause 1.11) 3080.0333 2668 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3080.0333 seventy four 3080.9333 2669 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3080.9333 (pause 0.13) 3081.0653 2670 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3081.0653 um, I was playing guitar, playing with bands and everything. 3084.0307 2671 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3084.0307 (pause 0.37) 3084.3989 2672 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3084.3989 Was with a band before there was a Trouble Funk I was with a band- band called Trouble. 3088.0641 2673 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3088.0641 (pause 0.44) 3088.5003 2674 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3088.5003 You know. 3088.8390 2675 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3088.8390 (pause 0.28) 3089.1166 2676 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3089.1166 So that's when the Trouble Funk was coming that was when the go go era was really starting because they had groups like 3093.0957 2677 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3093.0957 (pause 0.40) 3093.4982 2678 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3093.4982 um, 3093.9184 2679 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3093.9184 (pause 0.42) 3094.3385 2680 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3094.3385 Trouble Funk, 3095.0229 2681 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3095.0229 (pause 0.25) 3095.2750 2682 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3095.2750 Rare Essence, 3096.0389 2683 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3096.0389 (pause 0.42) 3096.4631 2684 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3096.4631 uh, EU. Matter of fact Experience Unlimited, EU, 3099.2389 2685 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3099.2389 (pause 0.40) 3099.6365 2686 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3099.6365 uh, the drummer- first drummer that we had when I was- started playing guitar was a guy named /RD-NAME-4/, 3104.2022 2687 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3104.2022 (pause 0.33) 3104.5343 2688 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3104.5343 he was EU's first drummer. 3105.9070 2689 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3105.9070 (pause 0.36) 3106.2631 2690 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3106.2631 You know. 3106.6285 2691 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3106.6285 (pause 0.36) 3106.9870 2692 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3106.9870 So we knew about the go go and everything coming in and uh, /RD-NAME-4/ actually just died um- 3111.6252 2693 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3111.6252 (pause 0.88) 3112.5011 2694 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3112.5011 just died year before last, you know he worked at a hospital center he got overcome by some fumes 3116.4531 2695 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3116.4531 (pause 0.34) 3116.7951 2696 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3116.7951 year before last back in uh, think it was back in- 3118.9031 2697 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3118.9031 (pause 1.06) 3119.9601 2698 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3119.9601 it was November, December, year before last and he- and he died so he died about f- about fifty-eight years old. 3125.3887 2699 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3125.3887 (pause 0.53) 3125.9144 2700 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3125.9144 He uh- 3126.3946 2701 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3126.3946 (pause 0.27) 3126.6627 2702 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3126.6627 he was EU's first drummer, he was a- he was a- he was a bad drummer. 3129.5676 2703 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3129.5676 (pause 0.51) 3130.0821 2704 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3130.0821 One of the best drummers you could see in DC. 3131.7498 2705 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3131.7498 (pause 0.39) 3132.1426 2706 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3132.1426 And we knew about- we knew about Chuck Brown, we knew about the Soul Searchers. 3135.6064 2707 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3135.6064 (pause 0.41) 3136.0164 2708 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3136.0164 We were familiar with- it w- before was the s- uh, Soul Searchers- I mean before it was Chuck Brown it was the Soul Searchers [it was- then it became] Chuck Brown and the Soul Searchers, right? 3143.4859 2709 DCB_int_01 3141.1578 [Mm.] 3141.4687 2710 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3143.9791 And um, 3144.5858 2711 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3144.5858 (pause 0.61) 3145.1957 2712 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3145.1957 we knew about groups called- back in the day there used to be groups called uh, the Epsilons, the El Corals, 3149.7636 2713 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3149.7636 (pause 0.41) 3150.1695 2714 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3150.1695 You know, it was a number of different bands, Backyard Band, Junk Yard Band, they came later on. 3153.7055 2715 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3153.7055 (pause 0.45) 3154.1571 2716 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3154.1571 Uh, 3154.5985 2717 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3154.5985 (pause 0.42) 3155.0171 2718 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3155.0171 we knew about uh, also uh, 3157.0102 2719 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3157.0102 (pause 1.02) 3158.0265 2720 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3158.0265 there was another- 3159.4211 2721 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3159.4211 (pause 0.94) 3160.3591 2722 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3160.3591 there was another group, there was a guy named Vaughan Mason he did a v- he did a song called Rock Roll Bounce Skate, 3164.7291 2723 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3164.7291 (pause 0.14) 3164.8683 2724 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3164.8683 uh, uh, p- co produced by Van McCoy. 3166.9882 2725 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3166.9882 (pause 0.41) 3167.3947 2726 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3167.3947 You know. 3167.7547 2727 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3167.7547 (pause 0.28) 3168.0333 2728 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3168.0333 Van McCoy, he's dead now but uh, Rock Roll Bounce Skate it's called, Rock boom boom b- b- boom boom boom boom boom, roll dun dun, 3173.9877 2729 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3173.9877 (pause 0.28) 3174.2693 2730 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3174.2693 /?/ dun dun dun dun, 3175.3440 2731 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3175.3440 (pause 0.19) 3175.5367 2732 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3175.5367 bounce, you know but anyway, 3176.7420 2733 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3176.7420 (pause 0.34) 3177.0785 2734 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3177.0785 they did a record it was probably back in uh, 3178.8918 2735 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3178.8918 (pause 0.10) 3178.9893 2736 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3178.9893 back in the 3179.4338 2737 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3179.4338 (pause 0.24) 3179.6767 2738 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3179.6767 e- eighties I believe. 3180.5736 2739 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3180.5736 (pause 1.09) 3181.6669 2740 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3181.6669 He was our manager at one time, so I knew about go go. 3183.9979 2741 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3183.9979 (pause 0.13) 3184.1237 2742 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3184.1237 Yeah go go- go go was pretty much- I- I was down with it but I- 3187.1504 2743 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3187.1504 (pause 0.11) 3187.2643 2744 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3187.2643 I- 3187.4443 2745 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3187.4443 (pause 0.19) 3187.6348 2746 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3187.6348 I- I don't like what it's e- 3188.7948 2747 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3188.7948 (pause 0.29) 3189.0874 2748 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3189.0874 it's- it's evolved and become. 3190.6912 2749 DCB_int_01 3190.7949 Mm-hm. 3191.3214 2750 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3191.4091 I like it in it's raw form you know, what it was. 3193.8754 2751 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3193.8754 (pause 0.38) 3194.2559 2752 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3194.2559 Eventually- especially what Chuck 3195.6053 2753 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3195.6053 (pause 0.10) 3195.7086 2754 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3195.7086 you know godfather of go go, 3197.1459 2755 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3197.1459 (pause 0.55) 3197.6926 2756 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3197.6926 what he made go go to be you know, that's what go go- I really- 3200.8283 2757 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3200.8283 (pause 0.33) 3201.1598 2758 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3201.1598 But- but it's- it's- it's- it's- 3202.4822 2759 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3202.4822 (pause 0.17) 3202.6479 2760 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3202.6479 it's kind of like gotten uh- gotten stale 3204.5932 2761 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3204.5932 (pause 0.49) 3205.0804 2762 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3205.0804 in that it's um, 3206.1187 2763 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3206.1187 (pause 1.14) 3207.2558 2764 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3207.2558 it's- it's- it hasn't had it's /longetivity/ like some- some 3210.1568 2765 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3210.1568 (pause 0.14) 3210.2976 2766 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3210.2976 genres of music. 3211.1994 2767 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3211.1994 (pause 0.24) 3211.4383 2768 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3211.4383 You [know.] 3211.7600 2769 DCB_int_01 3211.7064 [Mm-hm.] 3212.1841 2770 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3212.5253 I don't know. 3212.8520 2771 DCB_int_01 3213.3686 Um, [what about] 3214.3766 2772 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3213.9598 [People-] 3214.2585 2773 DCB_int_01 3214.7105 mumbo sauce? 3215.7391 2774 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3215.9438 Mumbo sauce, what about it? 3216.8798 2775 DCB_int_01 3217.4208 Do you eat it? 3218.0408 2776 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3218.4264 Yeah I eat mumbo sauce, yeah. Mumbo sauce uh, 3220.8453 2777 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3220.8453 (pause 0.49) 3221.3317 2778 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3221.3317 popular in the- 3222.4090 2779 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3222.4090 (pause 0.30) 3222.7125 2780 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3222.7125 back in the sixties too uh, you might not be familiar with Wings-N- with Wings-N-Things. 3227.1924 2781 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3227.1924 (pause 0.76) 3227.9479 2782 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3227.9479 Wings-N-Things, Wings N' More Wings, used to be a place called Wings and- Wings and Things in DC. 3231.7613 2783 DCB_int_01 3232.1610 Hm. 3232.4973 2784 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3232.5363 And that was- that was the- 3234.0134 2785 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3234.0134 (pause 0.15) 3234.1645 2786 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3234.1645 That was the Popeyes of the sixties, you know. 3236.3984 2787 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3236.3984 (pause 0.65) 3237.0516 2788 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3237.0516 Yeah. 3237.3436 2789 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3237.3436 (pause 0.13) 3237.4708 2790 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3237.4708 Pretty much, you know. 3238.2828 2791 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3238.2828 (pause 0.38) 3238.6651 2792 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3238.6651 Uh, 3239.1425 2793 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3239.1425 (pause 0.53) 3239.6742 2794 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3239.6742 back in the sixties you know we had places like um, 3242.1111 2795 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3242.1111 (pause 0.60) 3242.7107 2796 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3242.7107 Hot Shoppes Jr. Hot Shoppes- Hot Shoppes Jr. used to- that later became 3246.5324 2797 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3246.5324 (pause 0.41) 3246.9468 2798 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3246.9468 um, 3247.6734 2799 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3247.6734 (pause 1.97) 3249.6438 2800 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3249.6438 I believe it later became uh, places like Kentucky Fried Chicken. 3252.8059 2801 DCB_int_01 3252.9209 Mm. 3253.2449 2802 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3253.3499 You know I'm not really sure but Hot Shoppes Jr. was- 3255.2032 2803 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3255.2032 (pause 0.50) 3255.7044 2804 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3255.7044 was a- was a little restaurant type place we used to go to we used to get our lunch and everything. 3259.7084 2805 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3259.7084 (pause 0.43) 3260.1368 2806 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3260.1368 Then they had K- Kentucky Fried Chicken but the- back then it was- 3262.8114 2807 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3262.8114 (pause 0.33) 3263.1396 2808 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3263.1396 it wasn't KFC it was Kentucky Fried Chicken. 3264.9007 2809 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3264.9007 (pause 0.10) 3265.0030 2810 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3265.0030 You know. 3265.3750 2811 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3265.3750 (pause 0.37) 3265.7440 2812 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3265.7440 Then they had Wings-N-Things. 3266.9737 2813 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3266.9737 (pause 0.09) 3267.0615 2814 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3267.0615 Wings-N-Things was where everybody went. 3268.6641 2815 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3268.6641 (pause 0.37) 3269.0308 2816 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3269.0308 DC they went to- up U Street, you know U Street was the quarter where people went to 3272.8477 2817 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3272.8477 (pause 0.35) 3273.1938 2818 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3273.1938 the Lincoln, the Republic, and the Booker T. 3274.7713 2819 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3274.7713 (pause 0.18) 3274.9500 2820 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3274.9500 You know later on in later years 3276.6269 2821 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3276.6269 (pause 0.27) 3276.8950 2822 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3276.8950 after the riots Booker T was no longer, 3278.7103 2823 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3278.7103 (pause 0.22) 3278.9326 2824 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3278.9326 then the Republic 3279.6700 2825 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3279.6700 (pause 0.39) 3280.0649 2826 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3280.0649 stood for a while, then all of a sudden those are- these aren't there anymore there's only the Lincoln, you know. 3284.2092 2827 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3284.2092 (pause 0.53) 3284.7362 2828 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3284.7362 Well we used to go to Lincoln, Republic, Booker T, whichever we wanted to g- go- whichever one we wanted to go to whichever had the movie that we wanted to see. 3290.9465 2829 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3290.9465 (pause 0.37) 3291.3134 2830 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3291.3134 Then they had places like the Howard Theatre, 3292.9952 2831 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3292.9952 (pause 0.35) 3293.3462 2832 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3293.3462 with the shows used to go and we all- you know, James Brown, 3295.9951 2833 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3295.9951 (pause 0.34) 3296.3308 2834 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3296.3308 Gene Chandler, 3297.2424 2835 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3297.2424 (pause 0.10) 3297.3447 2836 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3297.3447 uh, Marvelettes, Temptations 3298.8900 2837 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3298.8900 (pause 0.38) 3299.2702 2838 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3299.2702 you know you name it. Y- any big name that you could think of 3301.8247 2839 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3301.8247 (pause 0.32) 3302.1459 2840 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3302.1459 came to the Howard Theatre you know so uh, basically we used to go to Howard Theatre 3305.0159 2841 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3305.0159 (pause 0.26) 3305.2803 2842 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3305.2803 Jewel- Ja- uh, Jewel Box Revue. 3307.0449 2843 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3307.0449 (pause 0.44) 3307.4885 2844 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3307.4885 Um, 3307.9512 2845 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3307.9512 (pause 0.43) 3308.3770 2846 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3308.3770 uh, lot of people- 3309.1384 2847 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3309.1384 (pause 0.26) 3309.3958 2848 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3309.3958 lot of groups came through the Howard. 3310.4439 2849 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3310.4439 (pause 0.25) 3310.6925 2850 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3310.6925 Uh, 3311.0685 2851 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3311.0685 (pause 0.95) 3312.0233 2852 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3312.0233 /we- we-/ went to places like on Seventh Street, Alamo Theater, you know that was another place /you had/ ro- roach infested. 3317.1315 2853 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3317.1315 (pause 0.29) 3317.4191 2854 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3317.4191 You know co- big cockroaches as big as your hand. 3318.9938 2855 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3318.9938 (pause 0.49) 3319.4860 2856 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3319.4860 Um, 3319.8393 2857 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3319.8393 (pause 0.86) 3320.7011 2858 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3320.7011 So yeah we had a lot of fun you know I mean DC- uh, like I say 3323.8331 2859 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3323.8331 (pause 0.30) 3324.1329 2860 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3324.1329 it's changed over the years we used to have a lot of time, we used to- we used to go to the movies, movies was like t- a quarter 3328.2910 2861 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3328.2910 (pause 0.25) 3328.5360 2862 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3328.5360 or fifty cent. 3329.1120 2863 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3329.1120 (pause 0.36) 3329.4671 2864 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3329.4671 But we would go into the movie house and then we open the side door and let our friends in. 3332.3445 2865 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3332.3445 (pause 1.01) 3333.3584 2866 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3333.3584 You can't do that anymore, you can't go into the theater like that you know. 3335.4838 2867 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3335.4838 (pause 0.23) 3335.7178 2868 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3335.7178 We could go to a movie and watch a movie 3337.5629 2869 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3337.5629 (pause 0.24) 3337.8006 2870 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3337.8006 over and over again. 3338.5854 2871 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3338.5854 (pause 0.08) 3338.6683 2872 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3338.6683 You know you could stay in the movie and watch it seven times if you want to. 3340.9106 2873 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3340.9106 (pause 0.39) 3341.3006 2874 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3341.3006 You know now, you- you go in the movie once 3342.9336 2875 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3342.9336 (pause 0.19) 3343.1251 2876 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3343.1251 you out of there, you know. 3344.1131 2877 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3344.1131 (pause 0.80) 3344.9092 2878 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3344.9092 So it was a different world. 3345.8065 2879 DCB_int_01 3346.0645 It's a different- 3346.7005 2880 DCB_int_01 3346.7005 (pause 0.41) 3347.1077 2881 DCB_int_01 3347.1077 um, last thing do you- when you say the city is changing what- 3350.5895 2882 DCB_int_01 3350.5895 (pause 0.39) 3350.9844 2883 DCB_int_01 3350.9844 what does that mean to you? Like when you look at DC 3353.6777 2884 DCB_int_01 3353.6777 (pause 0.41) 3354.0860 2885 DCB_int_01 3354.0860 and think about 3354.7953 2886 DCB_int_01 3354.7953 (pause 0.81) 3355.6069 2887 DCB_int_01 3355.6069 fifty years ago and where you see now, what do you- what- what does it mean to you when you say the city is changing? 3360.5438 2888 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3360.7071 Uh, city's changing uh, gentrification. 3362.5888 2889 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3362.5888 (pause 0.22) 3362.8130 2890 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3362.8130 You know. 3363.1437 2891 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3363.1437 (pause 0.50) 3363.6417 2892 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3363.6417 It's not Chocolate City, 3364.6312 2893 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3364.6312 (pause 0.15) 3364.7824 2894 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3364.7824 it's- it's- 3365.2304 2895 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3365.2304 (pause 0.93) 3366.1632 2896 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3366.1632 it's- it's /vanillawill-/ vanillaville. 3367.9279 2897 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3367.9279 (pause 0.11) 3368.0351 2898 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3368.0351 You know. 3368.3724 2899 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3368.3724 (pause 0.13) 3368.5031 2900 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3368.5031 That's what I call now, vanillaville, you know because now 3371.2196 2901 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3371.2196 (pause 0.38) 3371.5998 2902 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3371.5998 all the whites that moved back in, you know uh, upper scale whites you know with the- with- you know 3375.8799 2903 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3375.8799 (pause 0.38) 3376.2614 2904 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3376.2614 the- the income disparities you know between blacks and whites it's- it's- it's such- so- so- so far apart 3381.3518 2905 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3381.3518 (pause 0.40) 3381.7564 2906 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3381.7564 you know in terms of low income to h- to- to hi- medium high income. 3385.4866 2907 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3385.4866 (pause 0.43) 3385.9159 2908 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3385.9159 Um, 3386.4079 2909 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3386.4079 (pause 0.96) 3387.3637 2910 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3387.3637 the accommodations for whites is greater you know, more condos you know more- more living- 3391.7851 2911 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3391.7851 (pause 0.33) 3392.1160 2912 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3392.1160 living uh- uh- uh, conditions and better living experience 3395.2114 2913 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3395.2114 (pause 0.30) 3395.5137 2914 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3395.5137 you know because of their incomes. 3396.8070 2915 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3396.8070 (pause 0.36) 3397.1711 2916 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3397.1711 Uh, 3397.5617 2917 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3397.5617 (pause 0.46) 3398.0241 2918 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3398.0241 more accommodations for- for- th- for- for night life 3401.2769 2919 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3401.2769 (pause 0.31) 3401.5840 2920 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3401.5840 for whites you know although blacks do participate. 3403.7600 2921 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3403.7600 (pause 0.39) 3404.1543 2922 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3404.1543 Blacks do involve themselves in it. 3405.8360 2923 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3405.8360 (pause 0.27) 3406.1090 2924 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3406.1090 Still, 3406.6717 2925 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3406.6717 (pause 0.31) 3406.9864 2926 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3406.9864 there's more diversity but at the same time there's- 3409.6825 2927 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3409.6825 (pause 0.39) 3410.0703 2928 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3410.0703 there are more whites you know 3411.6890 2929 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3411.6890 (pause 0.14) 3411.8301 2930 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3411.8301 taking advantage of the- of the 3413.2274 2931 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3413.2274 (pause 0.70) 3413.9227 2932 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3413.9227 opportunities here and the fun here 3415.9270 2933 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3415.9270 (pause 0.30) 3416.2284 2934 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3416.2284 than there are blacks, you [know.] 3417.7804 2935 DCB_int_01 3417.5769 [Mm-hm.] 3418.0622 2936 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3417.9669 [So] I mean there is disparities still, you know. 3420.1117 2937 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3420.4153 So now it's no longer chocolate city it's not the sleepy town it used to be, it used to be a s- 3423.6911 2938 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3423.6911 (pause 0.29) 3423.9787 2939 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3423.9787 sleepy /t-/ sleepy town at night time, 3425.9546 2940 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3425.9546 (pause 0.37) 3426.3199 2941 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3426.3199 on U Street or any- uh, other quarters of the city 3429.1228 2942 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3429.1228 (pause 0.34) 3429.4640 2943 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3429.4640 you know, eleven thirty, twelve thirty at night, one o'clock at night, one o'clock in the morning, 3433.5308 2944 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3433.5308 (pause 0.34) 3433.8721 2945 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3433.8721 you know two o'clock in the morning streets would be like hey. 3436.2029 2946 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3436.2029 (pause 0.38) 3436.5855 2947 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3436.5855 Relatively you know 3437.7148 2948 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3437.7148 (pause 0.20) 3437.9114 2949 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3437.9114 empty you know. 3438.6594 2950 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3438.6594 (pause 0.45) 3439.1070 2951 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3439.1070 But now because of like, development 3440.9643 2952 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3440.9643 (pause 0.22) 3441.1885 2953 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3441.1885 you know and 3441.7672 2954 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3441.7672 (pause 0.35) 3442.1147 2955 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3442.1147 productivity and 3443.0920 2956 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3443.0920 (pause 0.46) 3443.5527 2957 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3443.5527 you know more bars, 3444.8104 2958 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3444.8104 (pause 0.52) 3445.3285 2959 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3445.3285 more clubs, 3446.2546 2960 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3446.2546 (pause 0.17) 3446.4253 2961 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3446.4253 you know more night spots, 3447.5854 2962 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3447.5854 (pause 0.38) 3447.9656 2963 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3447.9656 you know, 3448.3923 2964 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3448.3923 (pause 0.19) 3448.5812 2965 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3448.5812 more hang out spots and the eat-in restaurants you know, 3451.0283 2966 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3451.0283 (pause 0.32) 3451.3451 2967 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3451.3451 more eating out. 3452.2705 2968 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3452.2705 (pause 0.33) 3452.6041 2969 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3452.6041 Uh, it's- it's- it's like bec- it's becoming a city that- that's- that's- 3456.4454 2970 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3456.4454 (pause 0.35) 3456.7915 2971 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3456.7915 gradually becoming a city that- that- that's- that- that doesn't sleep. 3459.3799 2972 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3459.3799 (pause 0.16) 3459.5359 2973 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3459.5359 You [know.] 3459.8612 2974 DCB_int_01 3459.6968 [Mm-hm.] 3460.0560 2975 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3460.1612 Not there yet. 3460.8047 2976 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3460.8047 (pause 0.45) 3461.2531 2977 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3461.2531 Not there yet but getting there, you [know.] 3462.7789 2978 DCB_int_01 3462.6132 [Getting there?] 3463.0226 2979 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3462.9495 [It's] still a lot of 3463.6905 2980 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3464.0756 places people hang out late 3465.1626 2981 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3465.1626 (pause 0.21) 3465.3687 2982 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3465.3687 you know. 3465.7287 2983 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3465.7287 (pause 0.55) 3466.2803 2984 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3466.2803 Especially 3466.8409 2985 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3466.8409 (pause 0.42) 3467.2649 2986 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3467.2649 Thursday, Friday, Saturday nights people are hanging out Sundays, drinking they- they- they- 3470.9782 2987 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3470.9782 (pause 0.32) 3471.2976 2988 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3471.2976 you know going into the spots on Sundays and drinking, you know. 3473.8443 2989 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3473.8443 (pause 0.39) 3474.2322 2990 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3474.2322 So, 3474.5869 2991 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3474.5869 (pause 0.45) 3475.0330 2992 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3475.0330 it's a town that there's- that there's always something- 3476.9292 2993 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3476.9292 (pause 0.23) 3477.1583 2994 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3477.1583 it's always something going on but- 3478.2113 2995 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3478.2113 (pause 0.40) 3478.6159 2996 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3478.6159 but still the blacks have been disenfranchised you know. 3481.1825 2997 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3481.1825 (pause 0.32) 3481.5030 2998 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3481.5030 You know when you talk about low income housing, f- affordable housing, 3484.1826 2999 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3484.1826 (pause 0.27) 3484.4522 3000 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3484.4522 what's affordable? You know. 3485.6527 3001 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3485.6527 (pause 0.30) 3485.9500 3002 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3485.9500 Is affordable 3486.6959 3003 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3486.6959 (pause 0.37) 3487.0663 3004 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3487.0663 uh, affordable for people that make you know 3489.5329 3005 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3489.5329 (pause 0.11) 3489.6402 3006 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3489.6402 nine thousand, twelve thousand a year? 3491.6935 3007 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3491.6935 (pause 0.37) 3492.0642 3008 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3492.0642 You know, 3492.4229 3009 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3492.4229 (pause 0.23) 3492.6541 3010 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3492.6541 fifteen thousand a year or less than fifteen thousand a year, no. 3494.9274 3011 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3494.9274 (pause 0.16) 3495.0865 3012 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3495.0865 It's not affordable, you know. 3496.2564 3013 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3496.2564 (pause 0.33) 3496.5892 3014 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3496.5892 People have been moved out, people have been shifted, 3498.5910 3015 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3498.5910 (pause 0.40) 3498.9907 3016 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3498.9907 they've been displaced you know and so 3500.9856 3017 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3500.9856 (pause 0.46) 3501.4426 3018 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3501.4426 you know that- that's w- that's a change in Washington, you know. 3503.8667 3019 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3503.8667 (pause 0.13) 3503.9921 3020 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3503.9921 That's a changing demographic and you know you can call it 3506.2708 3021 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3506.2708 (pause 0.41) 3506.6794 3022 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3506.6794 you know crap or get off the pot you know but like hey, 3508.8340 3023 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3508.8340 (pause 0.33) 3509.1606 3024 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3509.1606 people are not gonna matriculate to 3511.2274 3025 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3511.2274 (pause 0.29) 3511.5213 3026 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3511.5213 you know being one day 3513.0080 3027 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3513.0080 (pause 0.62) 3513.6271 3028 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3513.6271 uh, poor 3514.3698 3029 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3514.3698 (pause 0.23) 3514.6021 3030 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3514.6021 to all of a sudden being affluent. 3515.9381 3031 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3515.9381 (pause 0.32) 3516.2608 3032 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3516.2608 You know it's a process, you know. 3517.6257 3033 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3517.6257 (pause 0.43) 3518.0547 3034 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3518.0547 Opportunities but then again it's also coming upon 3520.8207 3035 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3520.8207 (pause 0.42) 3521.2392 3036 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3521.2392 those people that 3522.0325 3037 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3522.0325 (pause 0.40) 3522.4335 3038 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3522.4335 have 3522.9135 3039 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3522.9135 (pause 0.10) 3523.0135 3040 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3523.0135 uh, access to opportunities to take advantage of that opportunity you know. 3526.3394 3041 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3526.3394 (pause 0.29) 3526.6270 3042 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3526.6270 They have programs for young, they have programs for youth, 3528.7941 3043 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3528.7941 (pause 0.24) 3529.0351 3044 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3529.0351 they have literacy programs for youth, you know they wanna 3531.2324 3045 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3531.2324 (pause 0.32) 3531.5566 3046 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3531.5566 go back to school they wanna get into a particular school, they have- 3533.9993 3047 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3533.9993 (pause 0.27) 3534.2718 3048 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3534.2718 they uh, t- the city used to offer like uh, 3536.2962 3049 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3536.2962 (pause 0.58) 3536.8714 3050 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3536.8714 pay uh, 3537.5994 3051 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3537.5994 (pause 0.20) 3537.7976 3052 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3537.7976 partial tuition payments for like uh, r- DC residents. 3540.4006 3053 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3540.4006 (pause 0.25) 3540.6457 3054 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3540.6457 People didn't take advantage of that like they should have, you know, 3542.7541 3055 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3542.7541 (pause 0.33) 3543.0879 3056 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3543.0879 uh, 3543.5772 3057 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3543.5772 (pause 0.34) 3543.9166 3058 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3543.9166 affordable- I mean um, 3544.8867 3059 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3544.8867 (pause 0.17) 3545.0573 3060 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3545.0573 the um, American Hope Act you know w- uh, 3546.8902 3061 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3546.8902 (pause 0.29) 3547.1826 3062 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3547.1826 President Obama instituted. 3548.2906 3063 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3548.2906 (pause 0.35) 3548.6366 3064 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3548.6366 Go to college, undergrad, four years you get 3550.6304 3065 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3550.6304 (pause 0.35) 3550.9765 3066 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3550.9765 uh, 3551.3258 3067 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3551.3258 (pause 0.45) 3551.7724 3068 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3551.7724 first year thirty- thirty five hundred back t- uh, 3554.2195 3069 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3554.2195 (pause 0.14) 3554.3560 3070 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3554.3560 tax credit. 3554.9409 3071 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3554.9409 (pause 0.37) 3555.3065 3072 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3555.3065 Next three years, twenty-five hundred dollars you know, they- they /done/ haven't taken advantage of that you know, so. 3559.6463 3073 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3559.6463 (pause 0.28) 3559.9242 3074 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3559.9242 I did. 3560.3336 3075 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3560.3336 (pause 0.13) 3560.4604 3076 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3560.4604 You know I went to school I m- I just got my degree. 3562.5175 3077 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3562.5175 (pause 0.56) 3563.0732 3078 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3563.0732 Went back to school um, 3564.3199 3079 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3564.3199 (pause 0.76) 3565.0829 3080 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3565.0829 two-thousand nine, 3566.0242 3081 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3566.0242 (pause 0.51) 3566.5307 3082 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3566.5307 got my uh, 3567.3301 3083 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3567.3301 (pause 0.34) 3567.6665 3084 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3567.6665 diploma in uh, 3568.7145 3085 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3568.7145 (pause 1.09) 3569.8012 3086 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3569.8012 addictions counseling, 3571.0557 3087 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3571.0557 (pause 0.12) 3571.1776 3088 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3571.1776 then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/ two-thousand nine and got my associates degree in May- May sixteenth in social science, and working on my bachelors now. 3578.0748 3089 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3578.0748 (pause 0.39) 3578.4665 3090 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3578.4665 You know I took advantage of that- that American Hope Act, 3580.5591 3091 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3580.5591 (pause 0.13) 3580.6907 3092 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3580.6907 you know, so 3581.2123 3093 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3581.2123 (pause 0.28) 3581.4951 3094 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3581.4951 opportunity is there, we as a people have to take advantage of it, we don't take advantage of it 3585.2017 3095 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3585.2017 (pause 0.29) 3585.4936 3096 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3585.4936 you know we're to blame for not taking advantage of it, so. 3587.7220 3097 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3587.7220 (pause 0.43) 3588.1503 3098 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3588.1503 You know I wouldn't say that people just being displaced 3590.6937 3099 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3590.6937 (pause 0.45) 3591.1447 3100 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3591.1447 without looking at the fact that 3592.5340 3101 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3592.5340 (pause 0.29) 3592.8216 3102 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3592.8216 you know 3593.2311 3103 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3593.2311 (pause 0.86) 3594.0939 3104 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3594.0939 there are opportunities here that we need to take advantage of and /then ?/ until we 3597.6245 3105 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3597.6245 (pause 0.41) 3598.0388 3106 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3598.0388 take advantage of 'em we're gonna continue to be shifted around, moved and forced out 3601.8863 3107 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3601.8863 (pause 0.39) 3602.2763 3108 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3602.2763 you know of the- of the culture you know, so. 3604.6843 3109 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3604.6843 (pause 1.28) 3605.9677 3110 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3605.9677 [That's what-] 3606.4624 3111 DCB_int_01 3606.0701 [What's your-] 3606.4607 3112 DCB_int_01 3606.6161 what's your favorite book? Or TV show? 3608.6811 3113 DCB_int_01 3608.6811 (pause 0.13) 3608.8097 3114 DCB_int_01 3608.8097 Or movie? 3609.5214 3115 DCB_int_01 3609.5214 (pause 0.20) 3609.7261 3116 DCB_int_01 3609.7261 And why? 3610.2295 3117 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3610.4879 My favorite- I- I- I- 3612.1145 3118 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3612.1145 (pause 0.68) 3612.7936 3119 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3612.7936 I could say my favorite TV show is uh- 3615.3218 3120 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3615.3218 (pause 1.53) 3616.8538 3121 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3616.8538 no, I'm gonna say my favorite movie- 3618.7298 3122 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3618.7298 (pause 1.85) 3620.5749 3123 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3620.5749 well let me think on that one for a second, cause I have- I have like three or four. 3623.5922 3124 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3623.5922 (pause 0.91) 3624.5035 3125 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3624.5035 But 3624.8288 3126 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3624.8288 (pause 1.31) 3626.1414 3127 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3626.1414 think my favorite movie was Shawshank Redemption. 3628.4956 3128 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3628.4956 (pause 3.46) 3631.9582 3129 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3631.9582 Why are you laughing? 3632.5675 3130 DCB_int_01 3632.9087 I- cause I love that movie. 3634.1956 3131 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3634.1810 Yeah, Shawshank Redemption man, [I could w-] 3635.9957 3132 DCB_int_01 3635.6301 [Why do] you love it? 3636.6088 3133 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3636.7513 Huh? 3637.0934 3134 DCB_int_01 3637.1754 Why do you love it? [Why's it your favorite?] 3638.5101 3135 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3637.7262 [Becau-] 3638.2742 3136 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3639.1009 because it showed me that- 3640.6510 3137 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3640.6510 (pause 0.19) 3640.8376 3138 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3640.8376 that someone that faced so much adversity 3643.2030 3139 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3643.2030 (pause 1.49) 3644.6935 3140 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3644.6935 and been wrongfully accused, wrongfully imprisoned 3647.8003 3141 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3647.8003 (pause 1.20) 3649.0040 3142 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3649.0040 was able to 3649.9134 3143 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3649.9134 (pause 1.10) 3651.0137 3144 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3651.0137 hold out 3651.9071 3145 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3651.9071 (pause 0.51) 3652.4176 3146 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3652.4176 and eventually come out 3653.8215 3147 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3653.8215 (pause 0.42) 3654.2456 3148 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3654.2456 on top. 3654.6785 3149 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3654.6785 (pause 0.95) 3655.6265 3150 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3655.6265 You know. 3655.9921 3151 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3655.9921 (pause 0.62) 3656.6161 3152 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3656.6161 Come out- come out of it 3657.6836 3153 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3657.6836 (pause 0.16) 3657.8396 3154 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3657.8396 not unscathed, 3658.6969 3155 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3658.6969 (pause 0.28) 3658.9803 3156 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3658.9803 you know, 3659.3390 3157 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3659.3390 (pause 0.62) 3659.9552 3158 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3659.9552 you know not- not- not scarred, 3661.5619 3159 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3661.5619 (pause 0.17) 3661.7309 3160 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3661.7309 but- but- but at least 3663.0276 3161 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3663.0276 (pause 0.34) 3663.3640 3162 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3663.3640 got the last laugh, you know. 3665.0018 3163 DCB_int_01 3665.3054 Mm-hm. 3665.9196 3164 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3665.8758 You know. 3666.2170 3165 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3666.4120 And that- that's- I'm- I'm like a- 3667.9586 3166 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3667.9586 (pause 0.33) 3668.2838 3167 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3668.2838 I'm a uh- 3668.9465 3168 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3668.9465 (pause 1.30) 3670.2434 3169 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3670.2434 I'm a stickler for like the underdog. 3671.8437 3170 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3671.8437 (pause 0.12) 3671.9607 3171 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3671.9607 You know the person that they say can't make it, 3673.6700 3172 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3673.6700 (pause 0.36) 3674.0324 3173 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3674.0324 you know. 3674.3577 3174 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3674.3577 (pause 0.66) 3675.0220 3175 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3675.0220 Like uh, when I look at teams like the Redskins I look at 3677.6977 3176 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3677.6977 (pause 0.52) 3678.2193 3177 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3678.2193 teams that are really struggling, you know those are the teams I really root for. 3681.5724 3178 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3681.5724 (pause 0.28) 3681.8558 3179 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3681.8558 You know, New Orleans Saints, 3682.8649 3180 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3682.8649 (pause 0.28) 3683.1427 3181 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3683.1427 they lost three games. 3684.1881 3182 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3684.1881 (pause 0.24) 3684.4248 3183 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3684.4248 You know. 3684.8048 3184 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3684.8048 (pause 0.46) 3685.2694 3185 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3685.2694 They played the Dallas Cowboys the other night, 3686.6148 3186 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3686.6148 (pause 0.10) 3686.7172 3187 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3686.7172 and I just say to myself I say, they gonna win, 3688.2576 3188 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3688.2576 (pause 0.19) 3688.4526 3189 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3688.4526 you know. 3688.7739 3190 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3688.7739 (pause 0.45) 3689.2228 3191 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3689.2228 When- when- when you're- when you're at the lowest level in your life, even me, 3692.6468 3192 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3692.6468 (pause 0.41) 3693.0556 3193 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3693.0556 you know, 3693.4383 3194 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3693.4383 (pause 0.14) 3693.5821 3195 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3693.5821 somebody that was counted out years ago 3695.2443 3196 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3695.2443 (pause 0.36) 3695.6064 3197 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3695.6064 being HIV positive, being a drug addict for like thirty two years, shooting heroin twenty eight years, 3699.8213 3198 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3699.8213 (pause 0.29) 3700.1119 3199 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3700.1119 you know, 3700.5239 3200 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3700.5239 (pause 0.34) 3700.8626 3201 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3700.8626 uh, living with you know four or five different medical conditions, Hepatitis C, hiatal hernia, uh, hyperthyroidism, 3706.2497 3202 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3706.2497 (pause 0.30) 3706.5527 3203 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3706.5527 you know 3706.8988 3204 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3706.8988 (pause 0.41) 3707.3083 3205 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3707.3083 living with a lot of different issues medically, 3709.2510 3206 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3709.2510 (pause 0.29) 3709.5458 3207 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3709.5458 uh, 3710.0604 3208 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3710.0604 (pause 0.52) 3710.5841 3209 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3710.5841 pretty much 3710.9754 3210 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3710.9754 (pause 0.20) 3711.1753 3211 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3711.1753 drop out from- 3711.7748 3212 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3711.7748 (pause 0.10) 3711.8772 3213 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3711.8772 drop out from high school going on to get my uh, GED. 3714.3799 3214 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3714.3799 (pause 0.38) 3714.7630 3215 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3714.7630 eventually going to get my uh, diploma in biblical studies 3717.3351 3216 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3717.3351 (pause 0.12) 3717.4569 3217 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3717.4569 you know from /RD-SCHOOL-10/. 3719.1009 3218 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3719.1009 (pause 0.33) 3719.4276 3219 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3719.4276 Going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ becoming the valedictorian of my class at /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 3722.4756 3220 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3722.4756 (pause 0.32) 3722.7960 3221 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3722.7960 Uh, being the valedictorian of my class in uh, 3724.7639 3222 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3724.7639 (pause 0.43) 3725.1908 3223 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3725.1908 g- uh, 3725.6308 3224 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3725.6308 (pause 0.20) 3725.8343 3225 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3725.8343 /RD-SCHOOL-7/ you know addictions counseling program, I was the valedictorian. 3729.4123 3226 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3729.4123 (pause 0.34) 3729.7535 3227 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3729.7535 Uh, going on to /RD-SCHOOL-6/ get my associates degree, working on my bachelors degree. 3733.3709 3228 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3733.3709 (pause 0.30) 3733.6741 3229 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3733.6741 Somebody that really even counted themselves out feeling like, hey you know what? 3736.8021 3230 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3736.8021 (pause 0.19) 3736.9902 3231 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3736.9902 I'm never gonna amount to anything. 3738.1315 3232 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3738.1315 (pause 0.30) 3738.4282 3233 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3738.4282 You know. 3738.7909 3234 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3738.7909 (pause 0.48) 3739.2716 3235 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3739.2716 But see, 3739.7298 3236 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3739.7298 (pause 0.15) 3739.8760 3237 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3739.8760 I f- I refuse to believe that. 3741.1239 3238 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3741.1239 (pause 0.37) 3741.4957 3239 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3741.4957 So 3741.8731 3240 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3741.8731 (pause 0.70) 3742.5682 3241 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3742.5682 you know, 3742.8908 3242 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3742.8908 (pause 0.14) 3743.0264 3243 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3743.0264 my- my- my- 3744.1303 3244 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3744.1303 (pause 0.58) 3744.7081 3245 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3744.7081 my purpose in life is like really reaching out to help people, 3746.8300 3246 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3746.8300 (pause 0.11) 3746.9421 3247 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3746.9421 giving back what was given to me 3748.2485 3248 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3748.2485 (pause 0.36) 3748.6043 3249 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3748.6043 but only by God. 3749.5354 3250 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3749.5354 (pause 0.19) 3749.7206 3251 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3749.7206 You know God allowed me to get where I'm at today, you know. 3752.1740 3252 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3752.1740 (pause 0.19) 3752.3592 3253 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3752.3592 /unintelligible/ It was all- there was- 3753.7693 3254 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3753.7693 (pause 0.22) 3753.9922 3255 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3753.9922 Even when I found out I was HIV positive 3755.6740 3256 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3755.6740 (pause 0.22) 3755.8898 3257 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3755.8898 people say, do you think you're gonna die? I never thought I was gonna die. 3758.1565 3258 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3758.1565 (pause 0.27) 3758.4295 3259 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3758.4295 I always thought I was gonna live, you know. 3759.6871 3260 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3759.6871 (pause 0.38) 3760.0674 3261 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3760.0674 Always believed I was gonna live, 3761.2967 3262 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3761.2967 (pause 0.29) 3761.5896 3263 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3761.5896 I was gonna beat it, even though my brother didn't beat it. 3763.4045 3264 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3763.4045 (pause 0.41) 3763.8173 3265 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3763.8173 You know I didn't feel that was the c- my- my fate. 3765.5053 3266 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3765.5053 (pause 0.28) 3765.7818 3267 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3765.7818 You [know, so.] 3766.4740 3268 DCB_int_01 3766.0061 [Mm.] 3766.3229 3269 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3766.8897 Always believed in myself, always believed in God, always believed that you know uh, 3770.6033 3270 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3770.6033 (pause 0.89) 3771.4927 3271 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3771.4927 God's powers gonna keep me and- and bring me through. 3773.5889 3272 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3773.5889 (pause 0.18) 3773.7692 3273 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3773.7692 You know cause my- my moth- my mother had faith you know and so r- I r- I really pretty much model myself /to- as/ my mother. 3779.1070 3274 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3779.1070 (pause 0.33) 3779.4349 3275 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3779.4349 Funny thing about me was this, 3780.7365 3276 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3780.7365 (pause 1.17) 3781.9095 3277 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3781.9095 I knew early on- 3782.6881 3278 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3782.6881 (pause 0.43) 3783.1135 3279 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3783.1135 my mother named me m- 3784.0446 3280 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3784.0446 (pause 0.12) 3784.1616 3281 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3784.1616 /RD-NAME-3/ 3784.6936 3282 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3784.6936 (pause 0.18) 3784.8782 3283 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3784.8782 because a lady in the hospital, white lady 3786.4965 3284 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3786.4965 (pause 0.18) 3786.6734 3285 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3786.6734 of all people 3787.2193 3286 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3787.2193 (pause 0.42) 3787.6434 3287 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3787.6434 gave my mother that name 3788.6693 3288 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3788.6693 (pause 0.13) 3788.8036 3289 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3788.8036 and told her to name me that. 3789.8322 3290 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3789.8322 (pause 0.13) 3789.9589 3291 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3789.9589 My mother said, why you want me to name me- name me- name me that? 3791.9868 3292 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3791.9868 (pause 0.39) 3792.3781 3293 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3792.3781 Said, because he's gonna be very fortunate, he's gonna be able to do things that other people can't do he's gonna be able to find things that people can't find. 3797.4101 3294 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3797.4101 (pause 0.36) 3797.7659 3295 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3797.7659 Believe it or not when I worked at the Patent Office in nineteen eighty three, 3800.2520 3296 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3800.2520 (pause 0.70) 3800.9491 3297 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3800.9491 there were files that had been missing for five years, ten years, twenty years. 3803.7924 3298 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3803.7924 (pause 0.20) 3803.9971 3299 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3803.9971 You know, I worked at Patent Office I used to work in the fr- in the- in the warehouse. 3806.5674 3300 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3806.5674 (pause 0.93) 3807.4936 3301 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3807.4936 I used to pull files, every day we would get a whole list of files to pull and I would pull files, I would find files. 3812.1247 3302 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3812.1247 (pause 0.67) 3812.7937 3303 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3812.7937 My brother said, man how you finding these files? So what he would do, 3815.2213 3304 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3815.2213 (pause 0.31) 3815.5346 3305 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3815.5346 instead of me pulling files, he would give me a list of files that were missing for years and say, 3819.5952 3306 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3819.5952 (pause 0.37) 3819.9608 3307 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3819.9608 find these files. 3820.7486 3308 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3820.7486 (pause 1.09) 3821.8375 3309 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3821.8375 And I would find 'em. 3822.5457 3310 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3822.5457 (pause 0.61) 3823.1599 3311 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3823.1599 You know. 3823.5252 3312 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3823.5252 (pause 0.39) 3823.9155 3313 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3823.9155 He would- he would g- and then 3824.8768 3314 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3824.8768 (pause 0.30) 3825.1731 3315 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3825.1731 when I was out and using drugs and the young boys that had their s- 3827.7762 3316 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3827.7762 (pause 0.12) 3827.8981 3317 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3827.8981 crack cocaine stashed different places, 3829.2679 3318 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3829.2679 (pause 0.32) 3829.5909 3319 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3829.5909 people used to come get me and say 3830.7413 3320 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3830.7413 (pause 0.20) 3830.9461 3321 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3830.9461 they wanna walk with me, I say, why you wanna walk with me? They say, cause you gonna find something. 3833.7003 3322 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3833.7003 (pause 0.64) 3834.3402 3323 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3834.3402 You know. 3834.6415 3324 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3834.6415 (pause 0.35) 3834.9934 3325 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3834.9934 I would find drugs. 3835.9683 3326 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3835.9683 (pause 0.17) 3836.1341 3327 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3836.1341 You know.. 3836.4412 3328 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3836.4412 (pause 0.30) 3836.7434 3329 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3836.7434 /Well/ I would go, I would stick my hand in bushes, 3838.5714 3330 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3838.5714 (pause 0.32) 3838.8865 3331 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3838.8865 walk somewhere, 3839.5678 3332 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3839.5678 (pause 0.27) 3839.8419 3333 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3839.8419 I would find drugs, even when I told them I wouldn't find anything, I said, I'm not gonna find anything, I would still find stuff. 3844.6351 3334 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3844.6351 (pause 1.05) 3845.6831 3335 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3845.6831 You know. 3846.0431 3336 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3846.0431 (pause 0.21) 3846.2548 3337 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3846.2548 So they start calling me radar, cause they say I have ra- I- I knew- 3848.6708 3338 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3848.6708 (pause 0.63) 3849.3015 3339 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3849.3015 I- you know, I- every- anything was on my radar I was gonna find it you know, so. 3852.4348 3340 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3852.4348 (pause 1.00) 3853.4317 3341 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3853.4317 That's- that's- that's- that's- that's the amazing thing about me living you know, feeling like, hey you know what? 3857.4581 3342 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3857.4581 (pause 0.32) 3857.7763 3343 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3857.7763 God has a purpose for me you know. 3859.2436 3344 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3859.2436 (pause 0.22) 3859.4678 3345 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3859.4678 Even though I did all the stuff I did and all the years I did it, 3861.7758 3346 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3861.7758 (pause 0.40) 3862.1746 3347 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3862.1746 you know God allowed me to survive and get to this point, 3864.6071 3348 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3864.6071 (pause 0.35) 3864.9532 3349 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3864.9532 you know, and he's not done with me. A lot of people say, 3866.8299 3350 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3866.8299 (pause 0.33) 3867.1579 3351 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3867.1579 God not finished with me yet, but yet still they don't know what their purpose is you know my purpose is to like, 3870.7164 3352 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3870.7164 (pause 0.28) 3870.9942 3353 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3870.9942 serve God, the Bible says this, it says that 3873.2569 3354 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3873.2569 (pause 0.95) 3874.2111 3355 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3874.2111 uh, this is the whole duty of man to fear God and keep his commandments. You know so that's my duty, my- my duty is to fear God, keep his commandments and you know help him serve people you know, that's what 3882.3970 3356 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3882.3970 (pause 0.19) 3882.5920 3357 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3882.5920 /about-/ 3882.9088 3358 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3882.9088 (pause 0.23) 3883.1428 3359 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3883.1428 you can't- 3883.6108 3360 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3883.6108 (pause 0.21) 3883.8204 3361 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3883.8204 they say a closed fist 3885.0342 3362 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3885.0342 (pause 0.13) 3885.1658 3363 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3885.1658 you know, 3885.5578 3364 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3885.5578 (pause 0.65) 3886.2103 3365 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3886.2103 can't receive anything. 3887.1170 3366 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3887.1170 (pause 0.27) 3887.3900 3367 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3887.3900 So you know, 3887.8553 3368 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3887.8553 (pause 0.33) 3888.1846 3369 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3888.1846 I always say too, 3888.9548 3370 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3888.9548 (pause 0.27) 3889.2277 3371 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3889.2277 homeless people out here begging and panhandling you know they're not gonna get anything 3892.0037 3372 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3892.0037 (pause 0.20) 3892.2026 3373 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3892.2026 you know uh, really out of life until they decide to give up themselves, until they decide to 3895.9630 3374 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3895.9630 (pause 0.31) 3896.2730 3375 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3896.2730 not always look to receive but look to give. 3898.3817 3376 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3898.3817 (pause 0.69) 3899.0724 3377 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3899.0724 You know, 3899.4404 3378 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3899.4404 (pause 0.13) 3899.5696 3379 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3899.5696 when you give that's when you receive. The Bible says 3901.6316 3380 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3901.6316 (pause 0.31) 3901.9387 3381 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3901.9387 give and it shall be given unto you, pressed down, shaken together, running over, shall men give into your bosom. 3905.7325 3382 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3905.7325 (pause 0.77) 3906.5027 3383 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3906.5027 So you know, 3907.0101 3384 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3907.0101 (pause 0.17) 3907.1816 3385 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3907.1816 so you can't get anything unless you're willing to give. 3909.0438 3386 DCB_int_01 3909.5458 Mm-hm. 3910.0205 3387 DCB_se1_ag4_m_01 3910.8669 You know. 3911.2418