Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DCB_int_01 0.4473 And your birthday? 1.3892 2 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1.6270 January twenty third 2.7228 3 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2.7228 (pause 0.23) 2.9513 4 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2.9513 nineteen ninety two. 3.6647 5 DCB_int_01 6.0556 And where were you born? 7.3472 6 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 7.9394 Southeast Washington DC. 9.1937 7 DCB_int_01 11.6546 And 12.3773 8 DCB_int_01 12.3773 (pause 0.43) 12.8063 9 DCB_int_01 12.8063 what do you consider your neighborhood- your childhood neighborhood or neighborhoods? 16.1823 10 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 16.3828 Woodland. 16.8957 11 DCB_int_01 17.1382 Woodland? 17.5065 12 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 17.6884 Mm-hm. 17.9215 13 DCB_int_01 19.1933 And how many years did you live in DC? 21.3709 14 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 21.8885 22.0470 15 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 22.0470 (pause 0.21) 22.2522 16 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 22.2522 Um, from nineteen ninety two until 24.9975 17 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 24.9975 (pause 0.67) 25.6643 18 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 25.6643 um, 26.1119 19 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 26.1119 (pause 0.14) 26.2565 20 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 26.2565 late 26.5689 21 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 26.5689 (pause 0.17) 26.7368 22 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 26.7368 nineteen nineties. 27.8512 23 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 27.8512 (pause 0.15) 28.0051 24 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 28.0051 Um, 28.3455 25 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 28.3455 (pause 0.19) 28.5366 26 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 28.5366 I wanna say we moved about two thousand. 30.0101 27 DCB_int_01 30.3214 Around two thousand. 31.0255 28 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 31.2307 Mm-hm. 31.4405 29 DCB_int_01 31.5804 Perfect. 31.9581 30 DCB_int_01 31.9581 (pause 0.63) 32.5922 31 DCB_int_01 32.5922 And where other places- or what other places have you lived? 35.1242 32 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 35.9110 Um- I- 36.3727 33 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 36.3727 (pause 0.28) 36.6478 34 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 36.6478 Woodland, 36.9602 35 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 36.9602 (pause 0.10) 37.0581 36 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 37.0581 my whole life. 37.5617 37 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 37.5617 (pause 0.27) 37.8275 38 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 37.8275 Um, [/or-/] 38.4523 39 DCB_int_01 37.9627 [/Woodland/, and] then- 38.7554 40 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 39.1564 From- 39.4082 41 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 39.4082 (pause 0.52) 39.9258 42 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 39.9258 /that area-/ I- 40.6392 43 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 40.6392 (pause 0.37) 41.0123 44 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 41.0123 Af- after that? [When I moved to Virginia?] 42.5639 45 DCB_int_01 41.7805 [Mm-hm, after that.] Mm-hm. 42.8203 46 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 42.8296 Um, I lived in Virginia 43.7156 47 DCB_int_01 43.8555 [Just- Okay.] 44.4337 48 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 43.8881 [my whole /lifed/.] Mm-hm. 44.7041 49 DCB_int_01 45.8792 Um, 46.5087 50 DCB_int_01 46.5087 (pause 0.77) 47.2827 51 DCB_int_01 47.2827 where'd you go to school? 47.8609 52 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 49.1887 All of the schools? 49.9161 53 DCB_int_01 49.9208 Mm-hm. 50.1819 54 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 50.3637 Okay. 50.6202 55 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 50.6202 (pause 0.26) 50.8767 56 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 50.8767 Um, 51.3942 57 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 51.3942 (pause 0.45) 51.8465 58 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 51.8465 starting out in DC I went to a Catholic school. I'm not sure the name of it. I cannot remember. Um, 56.5876 59 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 56.5876 (pause 0.14) 56.7274 60 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 56.7274 but it 57.3383 61 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 57.3383 (pause 0.11) 57.4502 62 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 57.4502 is off of um, 58.8630 63 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 58.8630 (pause 0.49) 59.3562 64 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 59.3562 Randolph Street. 60.0463 65 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 60.0463 (pause 0.72) 60.7644 66 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 60.7644 And then after that, 62.0840 67 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 62.0840 (pause 0.23) 62.3171 68 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 62.3171 when we moved to Virginia, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ Elementary School. 64.8864 69 DCB_int_01 64.9190 Mm-hm. 65.2909 70 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 67.4871 And then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Middle School. 68.7647 71 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 68.7647 (pause 3.63) 72.3960 72 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 72.3960 And then I went to 72.8856 73 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 72.8856 (pause 0.16) 73.0488 74 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 73.0488 c- uh, 73.4591 75 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 73.4591 (pause 0.23) 73.6923 76 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 73.6923 /RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School. 74.4943 77 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 74.4943 (pause 2.82) 77.3153 78 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 77.3153 And that was for ninth grade, 78.4146 79 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 78.4146 (pause 0.93) 79.3426 80 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 79.3426 and then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ High School where I graduated. 81.6973 81 DCB_int_01 81.9771 /RD-SCHOOL-3/? 82.5087 82 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 82.6346 Mm-hm. 82.8910 83 DCB_int_01 85.2866 And then [/??/] 86.1119 84 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 85.9487 [Uh], /RD-SCHOOL-2/ University for my bachelor's. 87.4828 85 DCB_int_01 89.1755 Hence, that's where you met 90.3074 86 DCB_int_01 90.3074 (pause 0.19) 90.4986 87 DCB_int_01 90.4986 /RD-NAME-3/ 90.7923 88 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 91.0162 [Mm-hm.] 91.2773 89 DCB_int_01 91.1374 [cause she] also went to /unintelligible/- 91.8322 90 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 91.8322 [] 92.4197 91 DCB_int_01 92.2658 [Now] I understand that, uh, connection. 93.6927 92 DCB_int_01 94.1123 Occupation? 94.6532 93 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 95.4599 I'm a 96.0894 94 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 96.0894 (pause 0.19) 96.2794 95 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 96.2794 /RD-WORK-7/. 97.2586 96 DCB_int_01 98.8487 /These little flies/. 99.8885 97 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 102.0603 Um, and I am a /RD-WORK-13/ 104.9886 98 DCB_int_01 110.8533 By who? 111.2963 99 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 111.6507 /RD-WORK-13/ 113.4785 100 DCB_int_01 117.9211 I will get that off the recording. 119.2314 101 DCB_int_01 119.2314 (pause 0.29) 119.5252 102 DCB_int_01 119.5252 And your dad was born in? 121.6596 103 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 122.0420 Southeast Washington [DC.] 123.3756 104 DCB_int_01 123.0445 [DC.] 123.3290 105 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 123.5994 Mm-hm. 123.8559 106 DCB_int_01 124.4014 And your mom? 124.9843 107 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 125.3981 DC. 125.6977 108 DCB_int_01 126.9649 And 127.6130 109 DCB_int_01 127.6130 (pause 0.21) 127.8228 110 DCB_int_01 127.8228 what does your dad do? 128.5736 111 DCB_int_01 128.5736 (pause 0.14) 128.7088 112 DCB_int_01 128.7088 I know I just talked to him, but- 129.7906 113 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 129.7160 [He's a plumber. ] 131.4226 114 DCB_int_01 130.1030 [] 131.4319 115 DCB_int_01 132.4659 Um, and what does your mom do? 133.6223 116 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 133.8135 Um, she's a stay at home mom. 134.8254 117 DCB_int_01 137.1382 Cool. 137.4133 118 DCB_int_01 137.4133 (pause 1.35) 138.7644 119 DCB_int_01 138.7644 Alright, so I'll type all that up. 140.3591 120 DCB_int_01 140.3591 (pause 1.54) 141.9025 121 DCB_int_01 141.9025 So, 142.2942 122 DCB_int_01 142.2942 (pause 0.76) 143.0589 123 DCB_int_01 143.0589 as much as you can remember, I want you to tell me a little bit about 146.7088 124 DCB_int_01 146.7088 (pause 0.62) 147.3243 125 DCB_int_01 147.3243 growing up 148.1636 126 DCB_int_01 148.1636 (pause 0.29) 148.4574 127 DCB_int_01 148.4574 um, 149.1335 128 DCB_int_01 149.1335 (pause 0.24) 149.3713 129 DCB_int_01 149.3713 Woodland Terrace. 150.1489 130 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 150.3587 Okay. 150.7084 131 DCB_int_01 150.7923 Um, 151.4918 132 DCB_int_01 151.4918 (pause 0.55) 152.0420 133 DCB_int_01 152.0420 if you can remember your house, your siblings, your [family.] 154.6392 134 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 154.1869 [And would] you like me- Cause basically we moved in two thousand, but we went- 157.9814 135 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 158.1166 we were 158.6342 136 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 158.6342 (pause 0.26) 158.8906 137 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 158.8906 in DC cause my grandmother still lived there until about 161.5205 138 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 161.5205 (pause 0.29) 161.8131 139 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 161.8131 four or five years ago. 163.0115 140 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 163.0115 (pause 0.42) 163.4311 141 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 163.4311 So, you want me to keep all of that my mind of my time in [/of in DC/?] 166.2056 142 DCB_int_01 165.6367 [Most definitely.] I [mean you] tell me what you want. 167.5019 143 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 166.4247 [Okay.] 166.7325 144 DCB_int_01 167.6557 The [whole point] is about telling stories, kind of your experience, 170.3031 145 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 167.7991 [Okay.] 168.1768 146 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 170.5549 [Okay.] 170.8953 147 DCB_int_01 170.7041 [and] it's actually great that you moved out- And kind of what you remember, [what stuck out] to you, [so that's-] that's actually- I'm really excited to hear that part too. 176.8207 148 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 173.7292 [Oh yes.] 174.1908 149 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 174.1908 (pause 0.35) 174.5452 150 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 174.5452 [] 174.9695 151 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 176.9932 Okay. 177.3056 152 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 177.3056 (pause 0.16) 177.4688 153 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 177.4688 Um, so we lived with my grandmother the majority of the time while we lived in DC. 181.0068 154 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 181.0068 (pause 0.46) 181.4638 155 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 181.4638 And I can't remember 183.3476 156 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 183.3476 (pause 0.28) 183.6320 157 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 183.6320 the 184.2475 158 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 184.2475 (pause 0.97) 185.2221 159 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 185.2221 address or anything cause I [was too] young. Um, but it was a townhouse type community, and she lived in the first 190.7045 160 DCB_int_01 186.0742 [Mm.] 186.2608 161 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 190.8910 set of townhouses. 191.7851 162 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 191.7851 (pause 0.49) 192.2794 163 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 192.2794 Um, 192.6897 164 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 192.6897 (pause 0.38) 193.0674 165 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 193.0674 and the earliest I remember, 194.4057 166 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 194.4057 (pause 0.14) 194.5502 167 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 194.5502 um, is that it was a safe environment when I was younger. 197.2547 168 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 197.2547 (pause 0.48) 197.7385 169 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 197.7385 And I don't know if I perceived it as safe because I was so young, [um], but when I took /RD-NAME-1/ back 202.5366 170 DCB_int_01 200.9000 [Mm-hm.] 201.2404 171 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 202.7884 about a month ago, like 204.4333 172 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 204.4333 (pause 0.58) 205.0161 173 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 205.0161 I called my brother, and I'm like, it looks so different. 206.9652 174 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 206.9652 (pause 0.14) 207.1098 175 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 207.1098 Like, it looks unsafe. 208.3268 176 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 208.3268 (pause 0.56) 208.8906 177 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 208.8906 But as a child, I'm like, 210.0144 178 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 210.0144 (pause 0.14) 210.1589 179 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 210.1589 we went 210.5040 180 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 210.5040 (pause 0.13) 210.6345 181 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 210.6345 every holiday. 211.4738 182 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 211.4738 (pause 0.43) 211.9075 183 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 211.9075 Um, Fourth of July, we would be outside, literally 215.0923 184 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 215.0923 (pause 0.12) 215.2170 185 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 215.2170 until one o'clock in the morning cause we were so young, 217.2127 186 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 217.2127 (pause 0.33) 217.5391 187 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 217.5391 um, playing with my cousins, everything. 219.2691 188 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 219.2691 (pause 0.50) 219.7727 189 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 219.7727 Um, 220.1690 190 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 220.1690 (pause 0.61) 220.7752 191 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 220.7752 so 221.3021 192 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 221.3021 (pause 0.67) 221.9771 193 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 221.9771 I- 222.1776 194 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 222.1776 (pause 0.15) 222.3314 195 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 222.3314 I do remember though, 223.6744 196 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 223.6744 (pause 0.26) 223.9308 197 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 223.9308 there are times when 224.8401 198 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 224.8401 (pause 0.13) 224.9660 199 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 224.9660 we heard gunshots, 226.0618 200 DCB_int_01 226.2156 Mm. 226.4208 201 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 226.4441 but 226.7845 202 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 226.7845 (pause 0.29) 227.0725 203 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 227.0725 we were too young to equate it with 228.7464 204 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 228.7464 (pause 0.67) 229.4179 205 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 229.4179 it [being] 229.8329 206 DCB_int_01 229.5438 [something] going on. 230.3085 207 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 230.4204 worrisome. 230.9613 208 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 230.9613 (pause 0.46) 231.4229 209 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 231.4229 Um, 231.8613 210 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 231.8613 (pause 0.53) 232.3882 211 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 232.3882 I remember that when we did move, we moved into 235.3806 212 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 235.3806 (pause 0.29) 235.6697 213 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 235.6697 a high rise type apartment 237.2364 214 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 237.2364 (pause 0.30) 237.5349 215 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 237.5349 building. Um, and I only remember that because my brother dropped me on my head. 241.1008 216 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 241.1008 (pause 1.08) 242.1792 217 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 242.1792 I remem- /while/ we were living there, someone was killed. 244.2169 218 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 244.2169 (pause 0.57) 244.7892 219 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 244.7892 Um, and 245.7871 220 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 245.7871 (pause 0.21) 245.9969 221 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 245.9969 we were in the car 247.1020 222 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 247.1020 (pause 0.12) 247.2233 223 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 247.2233 watching uh, the person 248.4823 224 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 248.4823 (pause 0.13) 248.6128 225 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 248.6128 /start/ to run 249.1397 226 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 249.1397 (pause 0.30) 249.4382 227 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 249.4382 to the apartment. 250.2868 228 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 250.2868 (pause 0.47) 250.7613 229 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 250.7613 And um, I think he made it maybe up three steps before they got him. 254.0020 230 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 254.0020 (pause 0.65) 254.6548 231 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 254.6548 Um, 255.1677 232 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 255.1677 (pause 0.41) 255.5827 233 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 255.5827 and at the time I didn't know what was going on, but [I talked] to my mother about it 258.7663 234 DCB_int_01 257.7172 [Mm.] 257.9083 235 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 258.9715 as I got older. 259.7129 236 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 259.7129 (pause 0.45) 260.1605 237 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 260.1605 Um, and we moved after that. We 261.8671 238 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 261.8671 (pause 0.38) 262.2448 239 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 262.2448 couldn't live there anymore. 263.0316 240 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 263.0316 (pause 0.43) 263.4607 241 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 263.4607 Um, 263.8664 242 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 263.8664 (pause 0.25) 264.1182 243 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 264.1182 and about 264.4865 244 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 264.4865 (pause 0.85) 265.3398 245 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 265.3398 I wanna say a month later that building actually caught on fire. 267.6060 246 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 267.6060 (pause 0.48) 268.0910 247 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 268.0910 Um, 268.4780 248 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 268.4780 (pause 0.26) 268.7379 249 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 268.7379 don't remember what it was. I couldn't tell you the name or anything. 271.0041 250 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 271.0041 (pause 0.90) 271.8994 251 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 271.8994 After we moved from there 273.1351 252 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 273.1351 (pause 0.28) 273.4148 253 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 273.4148 is when we moved to Virginia. 274.5386 254 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 274.5386 (pause 1.26) 275.8011 255 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 275.8011 So going back, 276.7943 256 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 276.7943 (pause 0.19) 276.9855 257 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 276.9855 uh, still safe environment. Literally, I perceived it as a okay environment until I literally took /RD-NAME-1/ back 282.3840 258 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 282.3840 (pause 0.19) 282.5705 259 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 282.5705 a month ago. 283.0974 260 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 283.0974 (pause 0.53) 283.6289 261 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 283.6289 Um, 284.0346 262 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 284.0346 (pause 0.13) 284.1605 263 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 284.1605 and when I look at it now I see, 285.7319 264 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 285.7319 (pause 0.39) 286.1236 265 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 286.1236 you know, the drugs 287.0830 266 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 287.0830 (pause 0.34) 287.4187 267 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 287.4187 crackheads, 288.1788 268 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 288.1788 (pause 0.45) 288.6311 269 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 288.6311 um, 289.1440 270 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 289.1440 (pause 0.18) 289.3259 271 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 289.3259 but 289.7269 272 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 289.7269 (pause 0.40) 290.1232 273 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 290.1232 it still feels like home to me. 291.4008 274 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 291.4008 (pause 0.46) 291.8625 275 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 291.8625 Like even though we were there, I was on the phone with my dad. He was telling me to get out of southeast. 295.3632 276 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 295.3632 (pause 0.48) 295.8388 277 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 295.8388 I didn't feel 296.9346 278 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 296.9346 (pause 0.57) 297.5081 279 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 297.5081 worried, 297.8905 280 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 297.8905 (pause 0.42) 298.3136 281 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 298.3136 whereas when I take friends back, they're like, oh my gosh. There's black people everywhere. They feel unsafe. 302.6688 282 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 302.6688 (pause 0.48) 303.1491 283 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 303.1491 And I don't know if it's cause I grew up there, 304.6633 284 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 304.6633 (pause 0.48) 305.1436 285 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 305.1436 I view it as they're black. 306.6031 286 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 306.6031 (pause 0.14) 306.7430 287 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 306.7430 I'm black. They're not gonna hurt me. 307.9647 288 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 307.9647 (pause 0.28) 308.2398 289 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 308.2398 [Um], 308.5942 290 DCB_int_01 308.2444 [Hm.] 308.5429 291 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 308.6874 unless you c- you know, you're being nosy or something like that. 311.0316 292 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 311.0316 (pause 0.48) 311.5120 293 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 311.5120 Um- 311.9316 294 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 311.9316 (pause 0.65) 312.5798 295 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 312.5798 I'm sorry. I don't know if I'm answering your [question fully.] 314.3517 296 DCB_int_01 313.7548 [Mm, most] [definitely.] 314.8739 297 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 314.6408 [But] um, 315.1491 298 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 315.7366 yeah. So, 316.3894 299 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 316.3894 (pause 0.74) 317.1250 300 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 317.1250 it was 317.6985 301 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 317.6985 (pause 1.07) 318.7663 302 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 318.7663 okay for me 319.4378 303 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 319.4378 (pause 0.14) 319.5777 304 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 319.5777 growing up there. 320.2538 305 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 320.2538 (pause 0.15) 320.4076 306 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 320.4076 Um, I don't feel like it hindered me. 322.4687 307 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 322.4687 (pause 1.09) 323.5586 308 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 323.5586 The only thing that I know hindered me is when we came to Virginia, 325.8248 309 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 325.8248 (pause 0.38) 326.2025 310 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 326.2025 me and my brother were behind. 327.6107 311 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 327.6107 (pause 0.65) 328.2623 312 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 328.2623 And of course, when we were in DC, we didn't know we were behind. [We were actually advanced] when we were in DC. 331.7595 313 DCB_int_01 330.1601 [/Actually advanced/.] 331.0274 314 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 332.2724 But I actually had to go through a reading program that first year 335.0504 315 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 335.0504 (pause 0.40) 335.4514 316 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 335.4514 of being in DC- um, Virginia. Uh, second grade. 337.8388 317 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 337.8388 (pause 0.51) 338.3470 318 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 338.3470 Uh, full year. I had to meet with a reading teacher every single day 341.5027 319 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 341.5027 (pause 0.51) 342.0109 320 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 342.0109 because I wasn't reading at a second grade reading level. 344.3284 321 DCB_int_01 344.7154 Mm. 344.9952 322 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 344.9532 And um, 345.6480 323 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 346.0665 I remember the times where the teachers were- 348.0622 324 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 348.0622 (pause 0.46) 348.5238 325 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 348.5238 little undertones. 349.4471 326 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 349.4471 (pause 0.16) 349.6056 327 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 349.6056 It's cause she's from DC. 350.7201 328 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 350.7201 (pause 0.45) 351.1677 329 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 351.1677 She wasn't learning when she was in DC. 352.6878 330 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 352.6878 (pause 0.52) 353.2089 331 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 353.2089 And my mom's thinking- You know, I attended a Catholic school, a all girl's Catholic school, and my brother's the one that was in the public school 358.1329 332 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 358.1329 (pause 0.19) 358.3183 333 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 358.3183 because they didn't have a boy's Catholic school at the time. 360.0436 334 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 360.0436 (pause 1.20) 361.2466 335 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 361.2466 So, 361.6616 336 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 361.6616 (pause 0.62) 362.2864 337 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 362.2864 I guess those things have stuck with me. 364.1562 338 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 364.1562 (pause 0.30) 364.4535 339 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 364.4535 Um, 364.9151 340 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 364.9151 (pause 0.95) 365.8664 341 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 365.8664 knowing that DC treats 367.4891 342 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 367.4891 (pause 0.49) 367.9833 343 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 367.9833 children very different than Virginia does. Um, especially little black children. 371.0364 344 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 371.0364 (pause 0.49) 371.5306 345 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 371.5306 Um, 371.9456 346 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 371.9456 (pause 0.71) 372.6544 347 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 372.6544 and I've learned to not do that to other children, especially to my little cousins that are falling behind. You know, you never 377.5167 348 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 377.5167 (pause 0.18) 377.6985 349 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 377.6985 tell a child 378.3560 350 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 378.3560 (pause 0.26) 378.6124 351 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 378.6124 that they're falling [behind.] 379.8108 352 DCB_int_01 379.4937 [Mm.] 379.8854 353 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 380.3191 Um, 380.7247 354 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 380.7247 (pause 0.64) 381.3635 355 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 381.3635 it made me work that much harder, 382.5899 356 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 382.5899 (pause 0.26) 382.8545 357 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 382.8545 of course. 383.4187 358 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 383.4187 (pause 0.18) 383.5959 359 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 383.5959 Um, and I- I equate that to me 385.3725 360 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 385.3725 (pause 1.16) 386.5335 361 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 386.5335 giving my all 387.2190 362 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 387.2190 (pause 0.13) 387.3496 363 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 387.3496 when it came to school work. 388.3614 364 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 388.3614 (pause 0.75) 389.1110 365 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 389.1110 Never again will I be labeled as b- 390.9155 366 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 390.9155 (pause 0.17) 391.0880 367 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 391.0880 being [behind], 391.8248 368 DCB_int_01 391.4657 [Mm-hm.] 392.0346 369 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 392.0766 so. 392.3610 370 DCB_int_01 393.0605 What's your favorite subject? 394.1796 371 DCB_int_01 394.1796 (pause 0.67) 394.8499 372 DCB_int_01 394.8499 Like in [school, what do y-] 395.8058 373 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 395.1716 [ Hm.] 395.9690 374 DCB_int_01 396.1042 what do you remember like, 396.9388 375 DCB_int_01 396.9388 (pause 0.41) 397.3492 376 DCB_int_01 397.3492 being 397.9740 377 DCB_int_01 397.9740 (pause 0.24) 398.2165 378 DCB_int_01 398.2165 like, oh I love to go to this [class.] 400.1283 379 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 399.6200 [Well], 399.9557 380 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 400.1749 it changed [um, as I] grew up. When I was younger actually uh, 403.7222 381 DCB_int_01 400.9758 [] 401.7451 382 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 403.8621 math was my favorite subject. Um, for some reason me and my siblings, math has never been a problem. We've all 408.8409 383 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 408.8409 (pause 0.23) 409.0741 384 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 409.0741 exceed- uh, excelled in math. Uh, whereas my mother, she cannot stand math. 412.5013 385 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 412.5013 (pause 0.40) 412.9011 386 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 412.9011 But um, 413.5027 387 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 413.5027 (pause 0.24) 413.7405 388 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 413.7405 always had A's in math, um, all of us. 415.6523 389 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 415.6523 (pause 0.60) 416.2538 390 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 416.2538 Uh, but I say about middle school is when I 419.1529 391 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 419.1529 (pause 0.14) 419.2928 392 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 419.2928 more so preferred science, 420.8409 393 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 420.8409 (pause 0.21) 421.0507 394 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 421.0507 um, [because] the biology 422.6921 395 DCB_int_01 421.6010 [Hm.] 421.8248 396 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 423.1397 of how 423.6340 397 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 423.6340 (pause 0.14) 423.7785 398 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 423.7785 we can come 424.4920 399 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 424.4920 (pause 0.12) 424.6074 400 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 424.6074 from 425.0037 401 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 425.0037 (pause 0.48) 425.4887 402 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 425.4887 a woman has always amazed me, that 427.6709 403 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 427.6709 (pause 0.33) 427.9973 404 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 427.9973 for nine months, a child grows inside someone, so 430.4313 405 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 430.4313 (pause 0.60) 431.0270 406 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 431.0270 that was amazing to me. And in general, anything coming from life. 434.0486 407 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 434.0486 (pause 0.58) 434.6268 408 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 434.6268 Um, 435.0371 409 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 435.0371 (pause 0.48) 435.5221 410 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 435.5221 and then off- also that was a time when I begin to question, 438.3233 411 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 438.3233 (pause 0.80) 439.1207 412 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 439.1207 did we come from a god? 440.1279 413 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 440.1279 (pause 0.31) 440.4403 414 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 440.4403 Did we we come from 441.3309 415 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 441.3309 (pause 0.18) 441.5128 416 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 441.5128 basically dinosaurs, like they're telling us in school. 443.3908 417 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 443.3908 (pause 0.53) 443.9177 418 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 443.9177 Um, and it's because I had a student in my class that was a atheist, 446.2025 419 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 446.2025 (pause 0.16) 446.3657 420 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 446.3657 and I was in middle school, didn't know any better. 447.9930 421 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 447.9930 (pause 1.10) 449.0970 422 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 449.0970 My mother's a Catholic, which my father may have told you. She's Catholic. He's Baptist. 452.6221 423 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 452.6221 (pause 0.62) 453.2423 424 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 453.2423 We [never]- 453.8298 425 DCB_int_01 453.3962 [He didn't.] 453.8345 426 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 454.0478 Okay. We never attended church. They shouldn't have been married to begin with. Um, 457.1114 427 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 457.1114 (pause 0.52) 457.6289 428 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 457.6289 and- Whereas my grandfather was a Mason. 459.9138 429 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 459.9138 (pause 0.55) 460.4687 430 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 460.4687 And 461.0084 431 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 461.0084 (pause 0.76) 461.7684 432 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 461.7684 of course [you know, that is-] 462.7523 433 DCB_int_01 462.1741 [Y'all had a lot] going on. 463.2466 434 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 463.2746 Yeah, so they never wanted to force religion upon us. 466.2915 435 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 466.2915 (pause 0.53) 466.8172 436 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 466.8172 So I 467.6845 437 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 467.6845 (pause 0.14) 467.8244 438 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 467.8244 literally to this day have never walked foot in a church to attend church services with my parents 471.9278 439 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 471.9278 (pause 0.15) 472.0816 440 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 472.0816 as a whole. 472.4920 441 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 472.4920 (pause 0.59) 473.0830 442 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 473.0830 Um, I always went with friends. 474.2441 443 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 474.2441 (pause 0.22) 474.4679 444 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 474.4679 They said, you know, if you wanna go, go with friends. 476.4123 445 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 476.4123 (pause 0.74) 477.1491 446 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 477.1491 And I'm thankful for that 477.9464 447 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 477.9464 (pause 0.28) 478.2297 448 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 478.2297 because I think it led all of us to finding God by ourselves. All four of us believe in God. 482.2071 449 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 482.2071 (pause 0.73) 482.9346 450 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 482.9346 And 483.3262 451 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 483.3262 (pause 0.14) 483.4708 452 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 483.4708 never once was it- was it forced upon us. 485.1296 453 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 485.1296 (pause 0.16) 485.2928 454 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 485.2928 My little brother? Goes to church with his friends. 486.9388 455 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 486.9388 (pause 0.38) 487.3212 456 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 487.3212 I went to church with my friends. 488.5335 457 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 488.5335 (pause 0.54) 489.0698 458 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 489.0698 Um, 489.4568 459 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 489.4568 (pause 0.96) 490.4209 460 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 490.4209 but all of that 491.2602 461 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 491.2602 (pause 0.55) 491.8151 462 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 491.8151 coming together 492.6404 463 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 492.6404 (pause 0.13) 492.7710 464 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 492.7710 made me really- 493.4844 465 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 493.4844 (pause 0.79) 494.2771 466 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 494.2771 Well let me find out where science is coming from, 496.2542 467 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 496.2542 (pause 0.20) 496.4535 468 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 496.4535 and about that. 497.0783 469 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 497.0783 (pause 0.40) 497.4747 470 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 497.4747 Um, when I went to high school- 499.1533 471 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 499.1533 (pause 1.21) 500.3657 472 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 500.3657 Hm. What was it? 501.1444 473 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 501.1444 (pause 0.48) 501.6247 474 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 501.6247 I'd say at that point in time, 503.2322 475 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 503.2322 (pause 0.26) 503.4887 476 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 503.4887 I think literature 504.4912 477 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 504.4912 (pause 0.20) 504.6870 478 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 504.6870 was 505.1393 479 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 505.1393 (pause 0.51) 505.6523 480 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 505.6523 my 506.0812 481 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 506.0812 (pause 0.38) 506.4589 482 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 506.4589 big thing. 506.9485 483 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 506.9485 (pause 0.31) 507.2563 484 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 507.2563 Um, and I think because the school I was at, uh, when we went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ High School, 510.7523 485 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 510.7523 (pause 0.12) 510.8736 486 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 510.8736 they offered more AP classes in literature. 512.9532 487 DCB_int_01 513.2470 [Mm-hm.] 513.7086 488 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 513.4148 [So] I had to read a lot more. 514.6831 489 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 515.6705 Um, 516.0575 490 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 516.0575 (pause 0.60) 516.6544 491 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 516.6544 and I learned of course, at a very young age that 518.8739 492 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 518.8739 (pause 0.49) 519.3635 493 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 519.3635 reading 519.7226 494 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 519.7226 (pause 0.14) 519.8625 495 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 519.8625 is my key 520.4209 496 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 520.4209 (pause 0.13) 520.5468 497 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 520.5468 to going anywhere in life. 521.5586 498 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 521.5586 (pause 0.38) 521.9363 499 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 521.9363 Uh, so that came back with me at that point in time. 523.9973 500 DCB_int_01 524.3890 What was [your favorite] book? 525.3076 501 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 524.5429 [And-] 524.7714 502 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 526.2681 I love the uh, Series of Unfortunate Events, 528.3840 503 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 528.3840 (pause 0.23) 528.6124 504 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 528.6124 and I know that 529.1813 505 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 529.1813 (pause 0.40) 529.5823 506 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 529.5823 I [shouldn't cause] I'm 530.3983 507 DCB_int_01 529.8714 [Mm?] 530.0346 508 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 530.5475 twenty three now, 531.2050 509 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 531.2050 (pause 0.13) 531.3356 510 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 531.3356 but I love the Series of Unfortunate Events. Um, and I started reading that when I was- I think that was the first book that the 536.6035 511 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 536.6035 (pause 0.43) 537.0325 512 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 537.0325 lady 537.4008 513 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 537.4008 (pause 0.18) 537.5769 514 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 537.5769 um, picked out for me to read and we went through that book, um, 540.2254 515 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 540.2254 (pause 0.41) 540.6404 516 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 540.6404 because it helped me- She actually had me reading 542.7061 517 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 542.7061 (pause 0.17) 542.8739 518 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 542.8739 books that a older child 543.8252 519 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 543.8252 (pause 0.19) 544.0117 520 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 544.0117 should have been reading in middle school 545.0316 521 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 545.0316 (pause 0.72) 545.7498 522 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 545.7498 to have me learn the bigger words. 547.2186 523 DCB_int_01 547.6569 [Mm.] 548.0066 524 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 547.7875 [Um], 548.1232 525 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 548.2678 so yeah, that's my uh, favorite book. And I've love Harry /Pottah/- Harry Potter of course. Um, 551.6572 526 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 551.6572 (pause 0.13) 551.7871 527 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 551.7871 Read all the books. I've seen all the movies. 553.3259 528 DCB_int_01 553.5217 I just couldn't- 554.2165 529 DCB_int_01 554.2165 (pause 0.40) 554.6175 530 DCB_int_01 554.6175 I couldn't get into it past like, 556.1236 531 DCB_int_01 556.1236 (pause 0.40) 556.5281 532 DCB_int_01 556.5281 the second one, 557.3535 533 DCB_int_01 557.3535 (pause 0.46) 557.8151 534 DCB_int_01 557.8151 but I need to give it another chance. I [need to go back.] 560.3890 535 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 559.7129 [I think- Did] you watch the movie 561.2050 536 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 561.3729 before you read it? 562.0164 537 DCB_int_01 562.1877 I did. 562.7146 538 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 562.8499 That's why. 563.3115 539 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 563.3115 (pause 0.83) 564.1461 540 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 564.1461 [And I don't-] 564.5751 541 DCB_int_01 564.1461 [But I wasn't] even a fan of the- I mean the first movie was great. The second one, I was like, alright I'm- 567.9324 542 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 568.0816 [Mm-hm.] 568.3661 543 DCB_int_01 568.1329 [This is] not- 568.5899 544 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 568.9058 And I've noticed everyone that I've talked to that has watched the movie first, 571.5637 545 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 571.5637 (pause 0.45) 572.0113 546 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 572.0113 cannot read the book. Our little brother, 573.3123 547 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 573.3123 (pause 0.20) 573.5128 548 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 573.5128 uh /RD-NAME-2/, 574.0257 549 DCB_int_01 574.5328 [Messed it up?] 574.9991 550 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 574.5701 [uh, watched] the movie first. 575.7078 551 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 576.0995 Um, and the- the rest of us, we read the books, so. 578.2818 552 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 578.2818 (pause 0.68) 578.9625 553 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 578.9625 I would- 579.3589 554 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 579.3589 (pause 0.37) 579.7308 555 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 579.7308 And you might have to read- What books have you read? Cause you might have to go and read the third book. 583.5217 556 DCB_int_01 584.1279 No, I only read the first one. 585.2050 557 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 585.2190 Okay. 585.5081 558 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 585.5081 (pause 0.11) 585.6200 559 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 585.6200 You might have to 586.4127 560 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 586.4127 (pause 0.97) 587.3814 561 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 587.3814 skip the two- first two, and go read the third book. 589.4751 562 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 589.4751 (pause 0.14) 589.6103 563 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 589.6103 Cause that was my favorite book, 590.6967 564 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 590.6967 (pause 0.35) 591.0465 565 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 591.0465 so. 591.3123 566 DCB_int_01 591.9790 Okay. I'm'a give it a go again. I really am cause I- I wanna get into it. 595.5870 567 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 595.8621 [Yeah.] 596.1465 568 DCB_int_01 595.8621 [I love] reading, but [it didn't] work out for me. 597.8019 569 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 596.7480 [Mm-hm.] 597.0185 570 DCB_int_01 597.9091 [Okay.] 598.2075 571 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 597.9511 [Yeah.] 598.1935 572 DCB_int_01 598.5934 So then you graduated from c- high school. 600.3327 573 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 600.4772 I went to college. Um, 601.8388 574 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 601.8388 (pause 0.47) 602.3051 575 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 602.3051 and I wouldn't even necessarily say I had a favorite subject, 604.8219 576 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 604.8219 (pause 0.24) 605.0644 577 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 605.0644 um, 605.4607 578 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 605.4607 (pause 0.17) 605.6286 579 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 605.6286 but I love political science. It's what I majored in. 607.2466 580 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 607.2466 (pause 0.17) 607.4191 581 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 607.4191 Um, I love politics. 608.5382 582 DCB_int_01 608.6455 How- Wait. For- Before you even go there, how did you get 610.6831 583 DCB_int_01 610.6831 (pause 0.18) 610.8638 584 DCB_int_01 610.8638 from 611.5120 585 DCB_int_01 611.5120 (pause 0.25) 611.7638 586 DCB_int_01 611.7638 your high school, how did you decide to go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/? 613.4378 587 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 614.1652 Okay. 614.4403 588 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 614.4403 (pause 0.54) 614.9765 589 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 614.9765 Um, 615.4428 590 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 615.4428 (pause 0.58) 616.0257 591 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 616.0257 both my parents- I am the first person 617.6192 592 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 617.6192 (pause 0.15) 617.7731 593 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 617.7731 in my whole family to go to college. 619.1860 594 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 619.1860 (pause 0.31) 619.4984 595 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 619.4984 Um, 619.8201 596 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 619.8201 (pause 0.21) 620.0253 597 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 620.0253 literally, not even immediate family, the whole family. 621.9231 598 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 621.9231 (pause 0.60) 622.5235 599 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 622.5235 And um, 623.6938 600 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 623.6938 (pause 0.96) 624.6497 601 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 624.6497 my mother 625.1720 602 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 625.1720 (pause 0.19) 625.3585 603 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 625.3585 had me 625.9274 604 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 625.9274 (pause 0.16) 626.0906 605 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 626.0906 at a very young age. Um, 627.4428 606 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 627.4428 (pause 0.64) 628.0816 607 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 628.0816 by the time my mom was twenty one, she had four children. 630.0436 608 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 630.0436 (pause 0.81) 630.8549 609 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 630.8549 And 631.5450 610 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 631.5450 (pause 0.23) 631.7735 611 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 631.7735 I promised that I would never 632.9905 612 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 632.9905 (pause 0.42) 633.4102 613 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 633.4102 let her down. Like ever. 634.5199 614 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 634.5199 (pause 0.19) 634.7146 615 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 634.7146 Like she literally sacrificed her whole 637.1254 616 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 637.1254 (pause 0.16) 637.2839 617 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 637.2839 being to- 637.9927 618 DCB_int_01 638.0066 What number are you? 638.6973 619 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 639.2470 I'm the second child. 639.9837 620 DCB_int_01 639.9126 You se- Okay. 640.4302 621 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 640.4022 Well, 640.6727 622 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 640.9711 technically I'm the third child. My mom's oldest son /RD-NAME-3/ passed away 644.2818 623 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 644.2818 (pause 0.23) 644.5149 624 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 644.5149 [um], when he was three. And I- I couldn't give you the details cause I don't 647.2952 625 DCB_int_01 644.5149 [Okay.] 644.7620 626 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 647.4420 wanna talk about it cause it upsets her. 648.8269 627 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 648.8269 (pause 0.48) 649.3025 628 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 649.3025 Um, but I know that he was born 650.7760 629 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 650.7760 (pause 0.18) 650.9532 630 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 650.9532 um- 651.3635 631 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 651.3635 (pause 1.51) 652.8732 632 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 652.8732 I wanna say that he- 654.2347 633 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 654.2347 (pause 0.52) 654.7523 634 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 654.7523 Something happened with oxygen, 655.9693 635 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 655.9693 (pause 0.20) 656.1698 636 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 656.1698 and it 656.7294 637 DCB_int_01 656.5382 [Hm.] 656.7480 638 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 657.1770 effected his brain development. 658.5060 639 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 658.5060 (pause 0.23) 658.7379 640 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 658.7379 Um, so 659.7824 641 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 659.7824 (pause 1.00) 660.7803 642 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 660.7803 she was 661.4378 643 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 661.4378 (pause 0.31) 661.7455 644 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 661.7455 sixteen at the time, so they took him from her 664.0210 645 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 664.0210 (pause 0.44) 664.4582 646 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 664.4582 cause they felt like she couldn't take care 665.7265 647 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 665.7265 (pause 0.22) 665.9456 648 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 665.9456 of him, 666.2814 649 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 666.2814 (pause 0.19) 666.4679 650 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 666.4679 and she was still in DC at the time. 667.5543 651 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 667.5543 (pause 0.53) 668.0859 652 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 668.0859 And 668.7341 653 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 668.7341 (pause 0.35) 669.0884 654 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 669.0884 she said something along the lines of he stopped breathing twice. 672.2161 655 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 672.2161 (pause 0.86) 673.0741 656 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 673.0741 Got him 673.4564 657 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 673.4564 (pause 0.24) 673.6989 658 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 673.6989 back to breathing, and then the third time he wasn't with her. 676.3148 659 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 676.3148 (pause 0.14) 676.4535 660 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 676.4535 He was on the bus somewhere with them, 677.9923 661 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 677.9923 (pause 0.35) 678.3420 662 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 678.3420 and he stopped breathing, and they called her and told her that her child had passed. 680.8646 663 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 680.8646 (pause 1.18) 682.0397 664 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 682.0397 I don't remember /RD-NAME-3/, but I know that /RD-NAME-2/ and I 684.7430 665 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 684.7430 (pause 0.42) 685.1627 666 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 685.1627 were born 685.7502 667 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 685.7502 (pause 0.74) 686.4916 668 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 686.4916 while he was still alive, and I [think] 688.2775 669 DCB_int_01 687.8625 [Mm.] 688.2029 670 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 688.6773 he passed when she was pregnant with /RD-NAME-2/. 690.4586 671 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 690.4586 (pause 0.47) 690.9248 672 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 690.9248 But I'm not 691.3352 673 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 691.3352 (pause 0.40) 691.7315 674 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 691.7315 positive. 692.2724 675 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 692.2724 (pause 0.40) 692.6734 676 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 692.6734 Um, 693.1211 677 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 693.1211 (pause 1.44) 694.5561 678 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 694.5561 so she had all four of us by the time she was twenty one. 696.3653 679 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 696.3653 (pause 0.24) 696.6031 680 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 696.6031 Um, I'm the only girl, 697.6896 681 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 697.6896 (pause 0.39) 698.0766 682 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 698.0766 and I 698.9625 683 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 698.9625 (pause 0.34) 699.3029 684 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 699.3029 naturally had to take care of 700.6820 685 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 700.6820 (pause 0.33) 701.0131 686 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 701.0131 all of my brothers. Like I've always been the more mature one. The one that's, 704.0486 687 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 704.0486 (pause 0.26) 704.3051 688 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 704.3051 maybe we shouldn't do that. 705.3076 689 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 705.3076 (pause 0.52) 705.8298 690 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 705.8298 Um, but I just promised that I would never- She didn't finish 708.3140 691 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 708.3140 (pause 0.17) 708.4865 692 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 708.4865 um, 708.7477 693 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 708.7477 (pause 0.14) 708.8922 694 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 708.8922 high school. 709.3352 695 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 709.3352 (pause 0.52) 709.8528 696 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 709.8528 And I was like, I would never let her down. 711.4988 697 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 711.4988 (pause 0.29) 711.7925 698 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 711.7925 Like I need to be that one to go further, to show her that it wasn't in vain basically. 715.7875 699 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 715.7875 (pause 1.15) 716.9346 700 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 716.9346 Um, 717.3029 701 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 717.3029 (pause 0.68) 717.9837 702 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 717.9837 wanted to go to law school, still wanna go to law school. 720.0342 703 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 720.0342 (pause 0.50) 720.5378 704 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 720.5378 But I'd attended uh, 722.0999 705 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 722.0999 (pause 0.35) 722.4496 706 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 722.4496 law program through George Mason 724.2542 707 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 724.2542 (pause 0.15) 724.4069 708 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 724.4069 while I was living in Woodbridge. 725.8337 709 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 725.8337 (pause 0.31) 726.1415 710 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 726.1415 [Um, because] Caroline County is in Farmville. Not Farmville. Um, 729.0884 711 DCB_int_01 726.2534 [Mm.] 726.4586 712 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 729.6515 729.7960 713 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 729.7960 (pause 0.23) 730.0292 714 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 730.0292 Caroline County, Virginia, that's down by King's Dominion. 731.8570 715 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 731.8570 (pause 0.43) 732.2860 716 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 732.2860 So when I was still up here, 733.3212 717 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 733.3212 (pause 0.31) 733.6289 718 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 733.6289 I went through that program. 734.6361 719 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 734.6361 (pause 0.46) 735.0931 720 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 735.0931 Um, 735.5128 721 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 735.5128 (pause 0.45) 735.9651 722 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 735.9651 all three years, 736.6552 723 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 736.6552 (pause 0.38) 737.0364 724 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 737.0364 and basically I'm like, okay, yeah. I definitely still wanna be a lawyer. 739.6802 725 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 739.6802 (pause 0.57) 740.2491 726 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 740.2491 So when I was at 741.1351 727 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 741.1351 (pause 0.29) 741.4242 728 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 741.4242 /RD-SCHOOL-3/ High School, I went to another 743.0224 729 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 743.0224 (pause 0.18) 743.1996 730 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 743.1996 law program for uh, 744.7010 731 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 744.7010 (pause 0.45) 745.1487 732 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 745.1487 I wanna say two weeks in Louisiana. 746.9812 733 DCB_int_01 747.3309 Mm-hm. 747.6247 734 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 747.6200 Um, and that was 748.4034 735 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 748.6027 intense program where we actually did mock 750.8875 736 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 750.8875 (pause 0.27) 751.1533 737 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 751.1533 inter- uh, interviews, mock trial, everything. 753.6620 738 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 753.6620 (pause 0.53) 754.1935 739 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 754.1935 And I loved it, 754.9431 740 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 754.9431 (pause 0.20) 755.1390 741 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 755.1390 loved all the learning. 755.9456 742 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 755.9456 (pause 0.49) 756.4399 743 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 756.4399 Um, 756.7896 744 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 756.7896 (pause 0.73) 757.5217 745 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 757.5217 so I applied to go to George Mason. 758.9112 746 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 758.9112 (pause 0.20) 759.1071 747 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 759.1071 I got into George Mason, 760.2728 748 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 760.2728 (pause 0.27) 760.5468 749 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 760.5468 uh, but 761.2742 750 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 761.2742 (pause 0.53) 761.8011 751 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 761.8011 the- 762.2254 752 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 762.2254 (pause 0.74) 762.9622 753 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 762.9622 /RD-NAME-3/, my girlfriend at the time, 764.4869 754 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 764.4869 (pause 0.44) 764.9252 755 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 764.9252 did not get into George Mason. 766.1469 756 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 766.1469 (pause 0.46) 766.6074 757 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 766.6074 She got into Virginia State, which I got into Virginia State as well, 769.1766 758 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 769.1766 (pause 0.48) 769.6569 759 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 769.6569 and she was interested in /RD-SCHOOL-2/ for some reason. I didn't know why. 772.2262 760 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 772.2262 (pause 0.62) 772.8499 761 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 772.8499 So we all take a trip down to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ with two other friends, 775.2373 762 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 775.2373 (pause 0.14) 775.3818 763 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 775.3818 and we fall in love 776.3892 764 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 776.3892 (pause 0.14) 776.5337 765 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 776.5337 with /RD-SCHOOL-2/'s campus. Like, it's beautiful. 778.2543 766 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 778.2543 (pause 0.45) 778.7053 767 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 778.7053 George Mason is a good school, 780.1881 768 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 780.1881 (pause 0.74) 780.9248 769 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 780.9248 educational wise, but it's not beautiful. 782.8180 770 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 782.8180 (pause 0.59) 783.4055 771 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 783.4055 It's- 783.7832 772 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 783.7832 (pause 0.31) 784.0910 773 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 784.0910 You can get lost there, 785.0316 774 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 785.0316 (pause 0.50) 785.5306 775 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 785.5306 whereas we went to 786.5098 776 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 786.5098 (pause 0.52) 787.0321 777 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 787.0321 /RD-SCHOOL-1/ University, we were greeted as soon as we got there. The black students are running up to us saying, oh my gosh. Like, you're gonna love it here. 793.1487 778 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 793.1487 (pause 0.62) 793.7642 779 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 793.7642 They gave us dinner, fed my mom, 795.7506 780 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 795.7506 (pause 0.30) 796.0490 781 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 796.0490 fed my little brother, and at the time, /RD-NAME-2/ was about 798.2627 782 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 798.2627 (pause 0.20) 798.4632 783 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 798.4632 ten I wanna say. 799.1254 784 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 799.1254 (pause 0.60) 799.7222 785 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 799.7222 Let /RD-NAME-2/ go on his own little tour, and I'm like, 802.0863 786 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 802.0863 (pause 0.22) 802.3055 787 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 802.3055 this is home. This is family. 803.6565 788 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 803.6565 (pause 0.55) 804.2021 789 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 804.2021 And like, we're really big on family, 805.7548 790 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 805.7548 (pause 0.14) 805.8947 791 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 805.8947 whereas when I went to George Mason, 807.3356 792 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 807.3356 (pause 0.58) 807.9184 793 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 807.9184 I'm at the back of the tour crowd. Like, 809.6845 794 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 809.6845 (pause 0.46) 810.1461 795 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 810.1461 she- If I wanted to ask a question, she couldn't hear me, 811.9087 796 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 811.9087 (pause 0.21) 812.1139 797 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 812.1139 so. 812.5615 798 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 812.5615 (pause 0.93) 813.4894 799 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 813.4894 Whereas when I went into /RD-SCHOOL-2/, and I got in, th- /RD-SCHOOL-2/ only had four thousand students, and that included the grad students as well. 818.2351 800 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 818.2351 (pause 0.82) 819.0511 801 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 819.0511 So, 819.4708 802 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 819.4708 (pause 0.54) 820.0070 803 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 820.0070 I'm like, this is home for me, 820.9291 804 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 820.9291 (pause 0.43) 821.3581 805 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 821.3581 so. 821.5866 806 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 821.5866 (pause 0.52) 822.1088 807 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 822.1088 Um, 822.5052 808 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 822.5052 (pause 1.19) 823.6989 809 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 823.6989 said forget George Mason. 824.9159 810 DCB_int_01 824.9952 825.9651 811 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 825.9417 Even though I got in, and that's where I literally I wanted to go from sixth grade up until 829.7315 812 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 829.8668 applying. 830.2864 813 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 830.2864 (pause 0.34) 830.6221 814 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 830.6221 But 830.8973 815 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 830.8973 (pause 0.43) 831.3309 816 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 831.3309 I haven't regretted it. 832.0816 817 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 832.0816 (pause 0.16) 832.2437 818 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 832.2437 I enjoyed /RD-SCHOOL-2/. Um, it- it- it's a PWI, as you probably already know. 835.6243 819 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 835.6243 (pause 0.58) 836.2025 820 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 836.2025 Um, we had our 837.3822 821 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 837.3822 (pause 0.42) 837.8019 822 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 837.8019 issues with racism, 838.7531 823 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 838.7531 (pause 0.63) 839.3861 824 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 839.3861 but 839.7498 825 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 839.7498 (pause 0.39) 840.1368 826 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 840.1368 I was always raised to be strong minded, and 842.0486 827 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 842.0486 (pause 0.62) 842.6734 828 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 842.6734 don't worry about the fact that 843.9557 829 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 843.9557 (pause 0.52) 844.4733 830 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 844.4733 you got racist people 845.3581 831 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 845.3581 (pause 0.72) 846.0809 832 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 846.0809 everywhere, 846.4725 833 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 846.4725 (pause 0.28) 846.7477 834 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 846.7477 so. 847.0880 835 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 847.0880 (pause 0.47) 847.5543 836 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 847.5543 But yeah, um- 848.1559 837 DCB_int_01 848.4916 What do you think was the- I- I'm sorry, just to keep going back to [that one, um, but what do you] think was the- 852.9761 838 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 851.1949 [Oh no, you're fine. You're fine] 852.2244 839 DCB_int_01 854.4729 If you can think about kind of your experiences while at /RD-SCHOOL-2/, and you said it was 857.7871 840 DCB_int_01 857.7871 (pause 0.28) 858.0715 841 DCB_int_01 858.0715 you know, you had your issues with racism. What do you feel like was that moment that you're like, oh my God. I can't believe that really just happened. 863.3861 842 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 863.4867 863.7218 843 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 863.7218 (pause 0.61) 864.3280 844 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 864.3280 We- 864.9808 845 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 864.9808 (pause 0.35) 865.3259 846 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 865.3259 we were very close knit. I mean one of those friends that I went with, um- her name was /RD-NAME-2/- 868.8650 847 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 868.8650 (pause 0.40) 869.2649 848 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 869.2649 Uh, she went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ with me. Um, 871.6523 849 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 871.6523 (pause 0.31) 871.9647 850 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 871.9647 /RD-NAME-3/ actually didn't get in to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, even though we went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ partially for her. 875.6099 851 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 875.6099 (pause 0.21) 875.8197 852 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 875.8197 So she went to State for one year. 876.8549 853 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 876.8549 (pause 0.44) 877.2932 854 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 877.2932 But 877.6150 855 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 877.6150 (pause 0.14) 877.7548 856 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 877.7548 /RD-NAME-2/ went, 878.3890 857 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 878.3890 (pause 0.17) 878.5569 858 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 878.5569 uh, /RD-NAME-3/ went, and we were all at the same high school for three years together. 881.8431 859 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 881.8431 (pause 0.44) 882.2860 860 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 882.2860 Um, and /RD-NAME-2/ who we met while we were at /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 884.7527 861 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 884.7527 (pause 0.43) 885.1864 862 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 885.1864 Um, it's about two o'clock in the morning, and they have this really old restaurant called Macadoos, 889.7782 863 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 889.7782 (pause 0.17) 889.9507 864 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 889.9507 and we went to Macadoos. And we're out 891.3729 865 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 891.3729 (pause 0.27) 891.6387 866 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 891.6387 freshman year, playing, two o'clock in the morning. 893.4700 867 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 893.4700 (pause 0.47) 893.9410 868 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 893.9410 Um, cause it's that freedom that none of us have ever had! 896.2957 869 DCB_int_01 896.0766 [Mm. Mm-hm.] 896.9159 870 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 897.0931 And we're walking back on Main Street. 898.8359 871 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 898.8359 (pause 0.93) 899.7695 872 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 899.7695 This truck speeds past us. 901.3771 873 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 901.3771 (pause 0.66) 902.0393 874 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 902.0393 We're walking, 902.7760 875 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 902.7760 (pause 0.20) 902.9719 876 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 902.9719 literally, across the street. Speeds past us 905.1436 877 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 905.1436 (pause 0.32) 905.4654 878 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 905.4654 within- 906.0855 879 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 906.0855 (pause 0.49) 906.5751 880 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 906.5751 closer than me and you are right now, 908.0113 881 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 908.0113 (pause 0.62) 908.6361 882 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 908.6361 almost hit us, and yells out the window, 910.3987 883 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 910.3987 (pause 0.24) 910.6354 884 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 910.6354 niggers. 911.1296 885 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 911.1296 (pause 1.19) 912.3233 886 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 912.3233 And I had never 914.0253 887 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 914.0253 (pause 0.19) 914.2118 888 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 914.2118 been in fear of my life until that very 916.2495 889 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 916.2495 (pause 0.25) 916.4955 890 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 916.4955 point in time. Cause I'm like, if they were to pull over, there's nothing we can do right now to defend ourselves. 921.3402 891 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 921.3402 (pause 0.40) 921.7366 892 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 921.7366 We have some pepper spray. 922.9338 893 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 922.9338 (pause 0.16) 923.0923 894 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 923.0923 That's what we have. 923.7358 895 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 923.7358 (pause 0.93) 924.6637 896 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 924.6637 And /RD-NAME-2/ here with us, that's from the inner city, 927.1724 897 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 927.1724 (pause 0.38) 927.5501 898 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 927.5501 so. 928.0397 899 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 928.0397 (pause 1.48) 929.5213 900 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 929.5213 We can't defend ourselves right now, 930.9062 901 DCB_int_01 931.0274 [/Wow/.] 931.3305 902 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 931.1114 [so I] guess that was like the, 932.6501 903 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 933.3029 oh my gosh. Like, I can't believe 935.1856 904 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 935.1856 (pause 0.47) 935.6519 905 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 935.6519 that just happened. 936.5098 906 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 936.5098 (pause 0.41) 936.9155 907 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 936.9155 [So-] 937.3025 908 DCB_int_01 936.9202 [That it's still] happening in whatever- what- [two thousand] some- two thousand- [not too long ago.] 941.1250 909 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 939.0278 [Yeah.] 939.3869 910 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 939.3869 (pause 1.04) 940.4313 911 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 940.4313 [At the time it was] two thousand ten. 941.9829 912 DCB_int_01 942.0575 Yeah. 942.2907 913 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 942.4446 So, and I'm just- 943.7409 914 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 943.7409 (pause 0.77) 944.5102 915 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 944.5102 I couldn't fathom that something like that would of really happened, and I'm just like, wow. 947.7871 916 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 947.7871 (pause 0.32) 948.1088 917 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 948.1088 Um, went home, 949.3538 918 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 949.3538 (pause 0.41) 949.7642 919 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 949.7642 and it wasn't to the point of 950.6734 920 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 950.6734 (pause 0.14) 950.8133 921 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 950.8133 tears- Like I didn't have a tear moment until later on, but I- 953.4094 922 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 953.4094 (pause 0.17) 953.5773 923 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 953.5773 In regards to my life, in regards to, I can't believe that just happened, 956.8180 924 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 956.8180 (pause 0.56) 957.3822 925 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 957.3822 that was that moment 958.2728 926 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 958.2728 (pause 0.12) 958.3929 927 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 958.3929 cause I- Like I said, I was in fear of my life, and 960.6031 928 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 960.6031 (pause 1.33) 961.9367 929 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 961.9367 like, wow. 962.4496 930 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 962.4496 (pause 0.32) 962.7714 931 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 962.7714 So, and all along, you know, we deal with racism while we were at Walmart. Uh, my roommate freshman year was Caucasian, 968.2911 932 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 968.2911 (pause 0.29) 968.5848 933 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 968.5848 and everywhere we would go, we would get looks. 970.3894 934 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 970.3894 (pause 1.02) 971.4047 935 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 971.4047 Why are you with her? Cause obviously we don't know anyone. We're gonna everywhere together. We're gonna to Walmart together. We're gonna go to dinner together. 976.8230 936 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 976.8230 (pause 0.72) 977.5400 937 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 977.5400 Looks. 977.9550 938 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 977.9550 (pause 0.39) 978.3466 939 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 978.3466 Dirty looks. 978.9435 940 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 978.9435 (pause 0.45) 979.3911 941 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 979.3911 Everywhere, 979.7782 942 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 979.7782 (pause 0.51) 980.2911 943 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 980.2911 so. 980.5848 944 DCB_int_01 981.0138 So 981.2656 945 DCB_int_01 981.2656 (pause 0.24) 981.5081 946 DCB_int_01 981.5081 going back and I- You may not even think- 983.3768 947 DCB_int_01 983.3768 (pause 0.24) 983.6192 948 DCB_int_01 983.6192 983.8710 949 DCB_int_01 983.8710 (pause 0.31) 984.1788 950 DCB_int_01 984.1788 I don't know if you remember cause you were quite young, 985.8434 951 DCB_int_01 985.8434 (pause 0.40) 986.2444 952 DCB_int_01 986.2444 but thinking about your time in DC, and actually as you go back with your- 989.3861 953 DCB_int_01 989.3861 (pause 0.23) 989.6146 954 DCB_int_01 989.6146 um, when you were going back to visit your grandmother, 991.3492 955 DCB_int_01 991.3492 (pause 0.63) 991.9833 956 DCB_int_01 991.9833 that time. 992.6781 957 DCB_int_01 992.6781 (pause 0.70) 993.3775 958 DCB_int_01 993.3775 Then when you moved to Virginia, 994.5899 959 DCB_int_01 994.5899 (pause 0.35) 994.9431 960 DCB_int_01 994.9431 um, Woodbridge, and then when you went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, 996.7337 961 DCB_int_01 996.7337 (pause 0.49) 997.2233 962 DCB_int_01 997.2233 do you feel like, at different points you saw racism, 999.8252 963 DCB_int_01 999.8252 (pause 0.26) 1000.0863 964 DCB_int_01 1000.0863 and do you feel like you saw it differently? 1001.7358 965 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1001.8244 Mm-hm. 1002.0902 966 DCB_int_01 1002.2114 And how- how did it kind of manifest itself in each of those environ- well, /RD-SCHOOL-2/, we know but in the other two? 1006.8732 967 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1006.9198 Mkay. 1007.2182 968 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1007.2182 (pause 0.12) 1007.3395 969 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1007.3395 Um, and my minor while I was at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was /Writer- Confessional Writing/. 1010.3657 970 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1010.3657 (pause 0.13) 1010.4962 971 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1010.4962 [Um], and I wrote a paper about an identity crisis that I had because of 1014.6404 972 DCB_int_01 1010.5289 [Mm.] 1010.7434 973 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1014.8782 where I came from. I went from DC where there's black people everywhere, 1018.1796 974 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1018.1796 (pause 0.79) 1018.9711 975 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1018.9711 never had to really worry about my race. 1021.3911 976 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1021.3911 (pause 0.23) 1021.6243 977 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1021.6243 Like I- I- 1022.0206 978 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1022.0206 (pause 0.44) 1022.4636 979 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1022.4636 I- I- people think I'm joking. Like, we didn't know that we were black 1025.6052 980 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1025.6052 (pause 0.66) 1026.2627 981 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1026.2627 until we moved to Virginia. 1027.2839 982 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1027.2839 (pause 0.91) 1028.1978 983 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1028.1978 That- [Those] conversations never occurred. 1029.9091 984 DCB_int_01 1028.4589 [Mm.] 1028.6361 985 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1030.1143 There was no reason for them to. 1031.1063 986 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1031.1063 (pause 0.48) 1031.5819 987 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1031.5819 Um, and then digging even further, 1033.5543 988 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1033.5543 (pause 0.21) 1033.7595 989 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1033.7595 I know I have pretty eyes. I know that I look like I'm biracial. I know this. 1037.0770 990 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1037.0770 (pause 0.44) 1037.5213 991 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1037.5213 Um, 1037.8990 992 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1037.8990 (pause 0.13) 1038.0249 993 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1038.0249 and you don't have the option to meet my brothers, but 1040.0393 994 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1040.0393 (pause 0.73) 1040.7714 995 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1040.7714 we all look like we're siblings. You can tell we're all related, but we all look very different. 1044.1322 996 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1044.1322 (pause 0.12) 1044.2524 997 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1044.2524 [And I'm] the one that has hazel eyes, 1045.9311 998 DCB_int_01 1044.3177 [Mm.] 1044.5182 999 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1046.0803 light skin, was even lighter when I was a child. 1048.1832 1000 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1048.1832 (pause 0.76) 1048.9433 1001 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1048.9433 So moving to Virginia, 1050.2011 1002 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1050.2011 (pause 1.23) 1051.4321 1003 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1051.4321 second grade, 1052.0943 1004 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1052.0943 (pause 0.15) 1052.2481 1005 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1052.2481 that very- very same teacher 1053.5771 1006 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1053.5771 (pause 1.43) 1055.0028 1007 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1055.0028 told me as I'm filling out 1056.4762 1008 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1056.4762 (pause 0.21) 1056.6907 1009 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1056.6907 my 1057.0917 1010 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1057.0917 (pause 0.18) 1057.2689 1011 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1057.2689 forms to take my test, 1058.6725 1012 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1058.6725 (pause 0.31) 1058.9849 1013 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1058.9849 why are you marking 1059.9174 1014 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1059.9174 (pause 0.12) 1060.0387 1015 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1060.0387 African American? 1060.8500 1016 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1060.8500 (pause 1.06) 1061.9074 1017 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1061.9074 I'm black. 1062.4016 1018 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1062.4016 (pause 0.13) 1062.5275 1019 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1062.5275 What do you mean why am I 1063.2363 1020 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1063.2363 (pause 0.12) 1063.3529 1021 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1063.3529 /barking/ African American? 1064.6818 1022 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1064.6818 (pause 0.31) 1064.9895 1023 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1064.9895 Well you need to mark other, 1066.3418 1024 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1066.3418 (pause 0.12) 1066.4630 1025 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1066.4630 or you need to mark Caucasian and Black. 1068.3037 1026 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1068.3037 (pause 1.55) 1069.8518 1027 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1069.8518 And I'm like, well my mommy says 1072.1972 1028 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1072.1972 (pause 0.21) 1072.4024 1029 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1072.4024 that I need to mark Black. 1073.4644 1030 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1073.4644 (pause 1.15) 1074.6161 1031 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1074.6161 Like full fledged argument with this lady 1076.4906 1032 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1076.4906 (pause 0.61) 1077.1014 1033 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1077.1014 [in second grade.] 1077.9268 1034 DCB_int_01 1077.1061 [And you're eight.] 1077.9268 1035 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1078.1926 In second grade! When I'm about to take a test. 1080.3550 1036 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1080.3550 (pause 1.13) 1081.4834 1037 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1081.4834 Um, 1081.9357 1038 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1081.9357 (pause 0.27) 1082.2015 1039 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1082.2015 so 1082.9289 1040 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1082.9289 (pause 0.20) 1083.1294 1041 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1083.1294 she gets offended, and I'm guessing assuming that my mother is Caucasian since she's about to call my Caucasian mother. 1088.0943 1042 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1088.0943 (pause 1.34) 1089.4325 1043 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1089.4325 Um, 1089.8895 1044 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1089.8895 (pause 0.49) 1090.3791 1045 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1090.3791 and I couldn't tell you cause I- I still- I was supposed to aks my mother how that conversation went. I don't know how it went, 1094.8450 1046 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1094.8450 (pause 0.28) 1095.1201 1047 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1095.1201 but the teacher called her, 1096.0853 1048 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1096.0853 (pause 0.55) 1096.6309 1049 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1096.6309 and we didn't really talk about it again- 1098.3410 1050 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1098.3410 (pause 0.45) 1098.7933 1051 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1098.7933 about the race thing. 1099.5767 1052 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1099.5767 (pause 0.30) 1099.8798 1053 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1099.8798 [It was just] come home, 1100.9662 1054 DCB_int_01 1099.8844 [Mm.] 1100.1968 1055 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1102.9433 you know you're black. 1103.9260 1056 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1103.9260 (pause 1.16) 1105.0871 1057 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1105.0871 You know you're my child. You know you're beautiful. 1106.8496 1058 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1106.8496 (pause 0.20) 1107.0501 1059 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1107.0501 That's it. 1107.3672 1060 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1107.3672 (pause 0.33) 1107.6936 1061 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1107.6936 That was the extent of our conversation. 1109.2790 1062 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1109.2790 (pause 0.70) 1109.9773 1063 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1109.9773 Fast forwarding 1110.7840 1064 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1110.7840 (pause 1.32) 1112.1082 1065 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1112.1082 to- Cause that was right when we moved to Virginia, 1114.1599 1066 DCB_int_01 1114.3360 Mm-hm. 1114.6577 1067 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1115.3338 I guess second grade- 1116.6861 1068 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1116.6861 (pause 0.38) 1117.0638 1069 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1117.0638 Well I don't even remember how it was, but about 1119.1154 1070 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1119.1154 (pause 0.74) 1119.8522 1071 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1119.8522 ninth grade, I wanna say, is the next time th- 1122.0239 1072 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1122.0239 (pause 0.19) 1122.2151 1073 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1122.2151 that identity came up in racism. 1123.8285 1074 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1123.8285 (pause 0.56) 1124.3927 1075 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1124.3927 Um, my cousin /RD-NAME-2/ was over, 1126.2205 1076 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1126.2205 (pause 0.24) 1126.4583 1077 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1126.4583 and I overheard them talking 1128.4109 1078 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1128.4109 (pause 0.22) 1128.6301 1079 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1128.6301 about our relatives. 1129.7166 1080 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1129.7166 (pause 0.30) 1130.0196 1081 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1130.0196 Cause til this time, like, I'm honestly believing that I'm black. 1132.2951 1082 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1132.2951 (pause 0.65) 1132.9468 1083 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1132.9468 I'm just black, and I'm just lighter than everybody else, and I just have hazel eyes for no reason. 1136.4580 1084 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1136.4580 (pause 1.38) 1137.8428 1085 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1137.8428 I hear them talking about my mother's 1140.1452 1086 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1140.1452 (pause 0.99) 1141.1337 1087 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1141.1337 mother's 1141.8564 1088 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1141.8564 (pause 0.32) 1142.1782 1089 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1142.1782 mother. So my mother's 1143.2087 1090 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1143.2087 (pause 0.29) 1143.5025 1091 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1143.5025 grandmother, 1143.9081 1092 DCB_int_01 1144.0107 Mm-hm. 1144.3371 1093 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1144.5376 and they're 1145.0121 1094 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1145.0121 (pause 0.20) 1145.2079 1095 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1145.2079 Caucasian is what I 1146.0519 1096 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1146.0519 (pause 0.14) 1146.1965 1097 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1146.1965 overhear. 1146.6068 1098 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1146.6068 (pause 1.03) 1147.6326 1099 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1147.6326 So I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna sit on the steps. Cause if I come upstairs, obviously they're gonna stop talking. 1150.5609 1100 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1150.5609 (pause 1.48) 1152.0379 1101 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1152.0379 Apparently, 1152.7933 1102 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1152.7933 (pause 0.25) 1153.0451 1103 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1153.0451 these Caucasian relatives 1154.4673 1104 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1154.4673 (pause 0.48) 1154.9476 1105 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1154.9476 decide that they're gonna accept that my great grandmother 1158.1079 1106 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1158.1079 (pause 0.45) 1158.5602 1107 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1158.5602 is getting married to a black man, and she has 1160.2854 1108 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1160.2854 (pause 0.20) 1160.4859 1109 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1160.4859 biracial children. 1161.2134 1110 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1161.2134 (pause 0.66) 1161.8708 1111 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1161.8708 So they tell her to get 1162.9246 1112 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1162.9246 (pause 0.19) 1163.1147 1113 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1163.1147 her 1163.6322 1114 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1163.6322 (pause 0.60) 1164.2338 1115 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1164.2338 nigger 1164.8772 1116 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1164.8772 (pause 0.81) 1165.6839 1117 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1165.6839 man and her porch monkeys 1167.2693 1118 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1167.2693 (pause 0.54) 1167.8055 1119 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1167.8055 off their property. 1168.5563 1120 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1168.5563 (pause 0.87) 1169.4224 1121 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1169.4224 And that was the extent of the 1170.9239 1122 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1170.9239 (pause 0.16) 1171.0824 1123 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1171.0824 relations with our Caucasian family. 1172.6818 1124 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1172.6818 (pause 0.70) 1173.3859 1125 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1173.3859 And 1173.6703 1126 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1173.6703 (pause 0.16) 1173.8289 1127 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1173.8289 from that point forward, 1174.9386 1128 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1174.9386 (pause 0.79) 1175.7255 1129 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1175.7255 I guess my family just took upon that we're not Caucasian. We're just gonna identify that we're black. 1179.7123 1130 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1179.7123 (pause 0.89) 1180.5982 1131 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1180.5982 Furthermore, 1181.3396 1132 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1181.3396 (pause 1.48) 1182.8166 1133 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1182.8166 I talked to my dad about it. 1183.7818 1134 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1183.7818 (pause 0.67) 1184.4533 1135 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1184.4533 And I'm like, okay, so what am I? 1185.6517 1136 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1185.6517 (pause 0.52) 1186.1692 1137 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1186.1692 Cause obviously I am 1187.1997 1138 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1187.1997 (pause 0.21) 1187.4084 1139 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1187.4084 part Caucasian in there somewhere. 1188.6254 1140 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1188.6254 (pause 0.65) 1189.2782 1141 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1189.2782 So that's when I sit down with him and find out that we are 1191.3952 1142 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1191.3952 (pause 0.35) 1191.7403 1143 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1191.7403 Cherokee Indian as well 1192.7941 1144 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1192.7941 (pause 0.18) 1192.9701 1145 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1192.9701 on his side of the family and on my mother's side of the family. 1195.4881 1146 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1195.4881 (pause 0.53) 1196.0196 1147 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1196.0196 And I'm like, well y'all have me going on my whole life not knowing what I am. I'm just thinking I'm just lighter than everybody else, and 1201.1523 1148 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1201.1523 (pause 1.18) 1202.3321 1149 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1202.3321 fine. And I'm like, and people are telling me, 1204.1506 1150 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1204.1506 (pause 0.71) 1204.8594 1151 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1204.8594 You're biracial. Like, we can see that you're biracial. 1207.1617 1152 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1207.1617 (pause 0.33) 1207.4881 1153 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1207.4881 And I'm like, no. Like, 1208.5605 1154 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1208.5605 (pause 0.56) 1209.1248 1155 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1209.1248 which one is it? 1209.6936 1156 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1209.6936 (pause 0.72) 1210.4164 1157 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1210.4164 Um, 1210.8127 1158 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1210.8127 (pause 0.24) 1211.0494 1159 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1211.0494 so that- that was really rough for me. 1212.8026 1160 DCB_int_01 1212.8912 Mm. 1213.1384 1161 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1213.1244 And it's- it's still 1214.5885 1162 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1214.9336 to this 1215.3859 1163 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1215.3859 (pause 0.25) 1215.6330 1164 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1215.6330 point in time- And I think, like I said, it's cause when I was younger 1217.9540 1165 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1217.9540 (pause 1.43) 1219.3855 1166 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1219.3855 we never 1220.0103 1167 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1220.0103 (pause 0.11) 1220.1222 1168 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1220.1222 talked about 1220.7564 1169 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1220.7564 (pause 0.14) 1220.9009 1170 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1220.9009 image in my home. Like, of course my father tells me I'm beautiful every day, but never 1224.8446 1171 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1224.8446 (pause 0.99) 1225.8331 1172 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1225.8331 realizing that I have pretty eyes. It wasn't until I moved to Virginia that it was a constant- 1230.2011 1173 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1230.2011 (pause 0.28) 1230.4856 1174 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1230.4856 In the course of a week, two, three people, oh you have beautiful eyes. What are you mixed with? What are you? 1234.9293 1175 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1234.9293 (pause 0.73) 1235.6556 1176 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1235.6556 And it's like, do we really live in a society where we have to do that? It's- 1238.4300 1177 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1238.4300 (pause 0.22) 1238.6491 1178 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1238.6491 Everything's about race. 1239.6330 1179 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1239.6330 (pause 0.18) 1239.8149 1180 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1239.8149 Everything's about skin color. Everything's about eye color. Everything's about hair. 1242.5648 1181 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1242.5648 (pause 1.42) 1243.9823 1182 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1243.9823 Um, next incident 1245.2320 1183 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1245.2320 (pause 0.24) 1245.4745 1184 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1245.4745 is when uh, vacationing 1246.9992 1185 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1246.9992 (pause 0.43) 1247.4271 1186 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1247.4271 in North Carolina, cause that's where we typically go to vacation. 1249.8658 1187 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1249.8658 (pause 0.58) 1250.4486 1188 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1250.4486 Um, there of course, there's racist people everywhere. 1252.3837 1189 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1252.3837 (pause 0.71) 1253.0913 1190 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1253.0913 So, 1253.7442 1191 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1253.7442 (pause 0.24) 1253.9866 1192 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1253.9866 having those conversations where 1255.7352 1193 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1255.7352 (pause 0.61) 1256.3461 1194 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1256.3461 my older brother, who is darker in skin tone, 1259.2277 1195 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1259.2277 (pause 0.41) 1259.6416 1196 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1259.6416 gets 1260.0519 1197 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1260.0519 (pause 0.27) 1260.3177 1198 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1260.3177 dirty looks 1261.0265 1199 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1261.0265 (pause 0.22) 1261.2456 1200 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1261.2456 more so than I do. 1262.1828 1201 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1262.1828 (pause 0.49) 1262.6771 1202 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1262.6771 Cause I guess they assume that I'm partially mixed with white, so they accept me more than they would accept him. 1266.4389 1203 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1266.4389 (pause 0.70) 1267.1384 1204 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1267.1384 And that's still a 1267.8937 1205 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1267.8937 (pause 0.62) 1268.5186 1206 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1268.5186 issue that we have with my brother now. Like, he feels like he's the black sheep of the family 1271.4888 1207 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1271.4888 (pause 0.45) 1271.9400 1208 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1271.9400 cause he's darker. Like he is 1273.6793 1209 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1273.6793 (pause 0.38) 1274.0616 1210 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1274.0616 your- about your complexion. 1275.0548 1211 DCB_int_01 1275.2413 Mm. 1275.5211 1212 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1275.5164 And 1276.0107 1213 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1276.2019 I'm the lightest out of all of them, but 1277.9260 1214 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1277.9260 (pause 0.31) 1278.2338 1215 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1278.2338 my two brothers that are 1279.2270 1216 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1279.2270 (pause 0.57) 1279.8005 1217 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1279.8005 younger 1280.2202 1218 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1280.2202 (pause 0.22) 1280.4440 1219 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1280.4440 are 1280.7004 1220 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1280.7004 (pause 0.30) 1281.0035 1221 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1281.0035 like a- in between us basically. 1282.4817 1222 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1282.4817 (pause 0.68) 1283.1613 1223 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1283.1613 Um, so I guess that would be 1284.5975 1224 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1284.5975 (pause 0.84) 1285.4414 1225 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1285.4414 the extent of my 1286.2994 1226 DCB_int_01 1286.5932 [Is your mother fair] skinned? 1287.7356 1227 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1286.6072 [race issues.] 1287.3486 1228 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1288.8127 No, my mom is about one shade lighter than you. I don't know why I'm so light. 1292.3880 1229 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1292.3880 (pause 0.22) 1292.6118 1230 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1292.6118 I honestly don't know. 1293.4558 1231 DCB_int_01 1293.5444 Mm. 1293.7076 1232 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1293.6750 Um, 1294.0620 1233 DCB_int_01 1294.3091 [Cause my] mom's really fa- Like, my mom looks white. 1296.3597 1234 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1294.3278 [and-] 1294.5703 1235 DCB_int_01 1296.4809 So, 1296.8726 1236 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1296.9658 Mkay, [and it's- it's cause our skin.] 1298.4486 1237 DCB_int_01 1297.2876 [and I'm- But my dad's like-] 1298.4533 1238 DCB_int_01 1298.8030 is African, so 1299.9734 1239 DCB_int_01 1299.9734 (pause 0.19) 1300.1599 1240 DCB_int_01 1300.1599 it- 1300.3138 1241 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1300.4537 [Okay.] 1300.8034 1242 DCB_int_01 1300.6402 [I] can understand where I but- 1301.8094 1243 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1302.1545 Yeah, and I don't- I don't know. 1303.3342 1244 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1303.3342 (pause 0.40) 1303.7352 1245 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1303.7352 Um, 1304.1455 1246 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1304.1455 (pause 0.47) 1304.6118 1247 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1304.6118 I have one other cousin /RD-NAME-3/ 1306.0900 1248 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1306.0900 (pause 0.18) 1306.2718 1249 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1306.2718 who looks just like me. 1307.4049 1250 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1307.4049 (pause 0.64) 1308.0426 1251 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1308.0426 [We have] 1308.5229 1252 DCB_int_01 1308.0426 [/Because/ you're] fair sk- [Like, fair skin.] Mm-hm. 1310.0570 1253 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1308.9285 [fair skin], 1309.7166 1254 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1309.7166 (pause 0.33) 1310.0430 1255 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1310.0430 hazel eyes, and I don't- And I guess it's just a mixture of 1312.7847 1256 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1312.9153 genes. And that's what I love about black people. Like, 1314.6441 1257 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1314.6441 (pause 0.30) 1314.9425 1258 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1314.9425 [you don't know what they're gonna come out looking like. I- I- Yeah.] 1317.0641 1259 DCB_int_01 1314.9425 [All different colors. Yeah. I love that.] 1317.1108 1260 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1317.1994 And it- it's amazing. It's beautiful. Um, 1318.8780 1261 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1318.8780 (pause 0.46) 1319.3338 1262 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1319.3338 our hair, everything. I love it. 1320.5835 1263 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1320.5835 (pause 0.42) 1321.0078 1264 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1321.0078 Um, and 1321.8331 1265 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1321.8331 (pause 0.62) 1322.4486 1266 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1322.4486 it's through writing that paper 1323.7542 1267 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1323.7542 (pause 0.19) 1323.9454 1268 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1323.9454 that I- I really came to resonate with my identity. Cause I- I literally have had identity crisis majority of my life. Like, where do I 1330.4630 1269 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1330.4630 (pause 0.46) 1330.9200 1270 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1330.9200 fit in? 1331.3711 1271 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1331.3711 (pause 0.21) 1331.5856 1272 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1331.5856 Um, [being picked] on, 1332.8679 1273 DCB_int_01 1332.0053 [/?/] 1332.4156 1274 DCB_int_01 1332.4156 (pause 0.42) 1332.8399 1275 DCB_int_01 1332.8399 Mm. 1333.2363 1276 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1333.9311 and I mean I don't- 1334.8776 1277 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1334.8776 (pause 0.15) 1335.0268 1278 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1335.0268 I don't have nice hair. My mother, 1336.4817 1279 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1336.4817 (pause 0.14) 1336.6169 1280 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1336.6169 um, 1336.9992 1281 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1336.9992 (pause 0.43) 1337.4317 1282 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1337.4317 actually looks Ethiopian. 1338.5229 1283 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1338.5229 (pause 0.52) 1339.0404 1284 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1339.0404 Her hair is like 1339.9404 1285 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1339.9404 (pause 0.32) 1340.2621 1286 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1340.2621 jet black, 1340.9056 1287 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1340.9056 (pause 0.10) 1341.0035 1288 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1341.0035 long, curly 1341.9594 1289 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1341.9594 (pause 0.21) 1342.1692 1290 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1342.1692 hair. 1342.4723 1291 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1342.4723 (pause 0.52) 1342.9946 1292 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1342.9946 Um, but we 1343.5530 1293 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1343.5530 (pause 0.21) 1343.7628 1294 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1343.7628 got my father's hair. We got the brown genes. 1345.7352 1295 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1345.7352 (pause 0.13) 1345.8658 1296 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1345.8658 Um, so my hair is- It's manageable, but it's not her hair. 1348.7754 1297 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1348.7754 (pause 0.67) 1349.4504 1298 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1349.4504 But it's 1350.0566 1299 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1350.0566 (pause 0.93) 1350.9891 1300 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1350.9891 the constant, 1351.8378 1301 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1351.8378 (pause 0.14) 1351.9823 1302 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1351.9823 what are you mixed with? 1353.0688 1303 DCB_int_01 1353.7636 Mm. 1354.0806 1304 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1354.1040 Where are you- why are you playing with us? You need to be over there playing with them. 1357.6466 1305 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1357.6466 (pause 0.63) 1358.2808 1306 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1358.2808 So, 1358.7890 1307 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1358.7890 (pause 1.08) 1359.8708 1308 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1359.8708 and it's- 1360.2252 1309 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1360.2252 (pause 0.23) 1360.4525 1310 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1360.4525 Well where do I fit in 1361.3758 1311 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1361.3758 (pause 0.13) 1361.5017 1312 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1361.5017 in this 1361.9074 1313 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1361.9074 (pause 0.22) 1362.1312 1314 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1362.1312 whole 1362.4622 1315 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1362.4622 (pause 0.68) 1363.1430 1316 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1363.1430 /mex/ of things- mess of things. Um, and like, I said, it was just weird cause growing up in DC, 1367.5903 1317 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1367.5903 (pause 0.75) 1368.3363 1318 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1368.3363 we never had reason to 1369.9544 1319 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1369.9544 (pause 0.20) 1370.1502 1320 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1370.1502 realize what color we were. We never talked about 1372.0900 1321 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1372.0900 (pause 0.20) 1372.2905 1322 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1372.2905 our race, 1372.7614 1323 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1372.7614 (pause 0.30) 1373.0587 1324 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1373.0587 so. 1373.3058 1325 DCB_int_01 1373.8561 So, let me go back. Cause you talked about playing, and that- 1376.1502 1326 DCB_int_01 1376.1502 (pause 0.35) 1376.4953 1327 DCB_int_01 1376.4953 Because I- Race, we could talk [about all day. Um], 1378.7288 1328 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1377.6377 [] 1378.6962 1329 DCB_int_01 1378.9981 cause I think it's just so fascinating- Especially like, 1380.8446 1330 DCB_int_01 1380.8446 (pause 0.92) 1381.7679 1331 DCB_int_01 1381.7679 so I'm not from DC. I'm from Georgia, 1383.3392 1332 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1383.6283 [Okay.] 1383.9454 1333 DCB_int_01 1383.6283 1383.9454 1334 DCB_int_01 1384.1040 so 1384.4117 1335 DCB_int_01 1384.4117 (pause 0.19) 1384.6029 1336 DCB_int_01 1384.6029 race is a- a- 1385.2557 1337 DCB_int_01 1385.2557 (pause 0.27) 1385.5297 1338 DCB_int_01 1385.5297 And then I had a bad incident with a police officer yesterday. 1388.0570 1339 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1388.3600 Oh, I'm sorry. 1389.0268 1340 DCB_int_01 1389.0268 Um, 1389.5864 1341 DCB_int_01 1389.5864 (pause 0.43) 1390.0200 1342 DCB_int_01 1390.0200 and so it's just like, really on my mind, but I don't want us to focus just [on that.] 1392.8120 1343 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1392.5135 [] 1392.8632 1344 DCB_int_01 1392.9658 But 1393.2596 1345 DCB_int_01 1393.2596 (pause 0.40) 1393.6559 1346 DCB_int_01 1393.6559 when you talked about 1394.3274 1347 DCB_int_01 1394.3274 (pause 0.37) 1394.6958 1348 DCB_int_01 1394.6958 playing, like as kids- So 1396.5330 1349 DCB_int_01 1396.5330 (pause 0.19) 1396.7241 1350 DCB_int_01 1396.7241 you and your 1397.3303 1351 DCB_int_01 1397.3303 (pause 0.35) 1397.6789 1352 DCB_int_01 1397.6789 two brothers are close in age? 1399.5254 1353 DCB_int_01 1399.5254 (pause 0.20) 1399.7212 1354 DCB_int_01 1399.7212 Or [relatively?] 1400.4719 1355 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1399.8798 [Uh, all of us are.] 1400.6212 1356 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1400.7890 [/RD-NAME-2/'s] twenty four. I'm twenty three. /RD-NAME-2/'s twenty two. 1403.5401 1357 DCB_int_01 1400.8030 [Oh.] 1401.1061 1358 DCB_int_01 1403.6462 [Okay.] 1403.9913 1359 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1403.6602 [And /RD-NAME-2/'s] fifteen. 1404.7607 1360 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1404.8679 So he's a little 1405.6839 1361 DCB_int_01 1405.8005 [So what did y'all] do- what did y'all do as like, kids? Like, what kind of game- do you [remember like, playing on the] stoop? 1410.5508 1362 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1405.8052 [far off.] 1406.1316 1363 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1406.1316 (pause 3.21) 1409.3385 1364 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1409.3385 [And that was-] 1410.0333 1365 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1410.6534 And that's- Yeah, I was about to um, 1412.3414 1366 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1412.3414 (pause 0.11) 1412.4533 1367 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1412.4533 go into that uh, when I came back to that. When I went back, like- And I actually almost broke down. They removed the stoops from in front of my grandmother's house. Like, we literally would jump 1420.1413 1368 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1420.1413 (pause 0.26) 1420.3977 1369 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1420.3977 all the way around 1421.1613 1370 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1421.1613 (pause 0.19) 1421.3478 1371 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1421.3478 the complex 1422.1125 1372 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1422.1125 (pause 0.19) 1422.3037 1373 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1422.3037 on the stoops. 1423.0451 1374 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1423.0451 (pause 0.21) 1423.2596 1375 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1423.2596 Um, and there was this really big playground behind my grandmother's house. 1426.1926 1376 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1426.1926 (pause 0.45) 1426.6390 1377 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1426.6390 Um, and my father wouldn't let me get out the car, 1428.2011 1378 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1428.2011 (pause 0.22) 1428.4249 1379 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1428.4249 so I couldn't even go behind to see if the playground was still back there. 1430.9989 1380 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1430.9989 (pause 0.46) 1431.4605 1381 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1431.4605 Um, 1431.8708 1382 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1431.8708 (pause 0.21) 1432.0806 1383 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1432.0806 but there was a really big playground, and it had this 1433.7954 1384 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1433.7954 (pause 0.16) 1433.9540 1385 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1433.9540 big 1434.2338 1386 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1434.2338 (pause 0.14) 1434.3736 1387 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1434.3736 like arc. 1434.9752 1388 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1434.9752 (pause 0.55) 1435.5233 1389 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1435.5233 And the arc was- It was monkey bars, but as it came over, it would flip to where you could crawl up this way, and then you eventually were on top of the monkey bars and had to figure out how you were gonna get back down. 1444.2725 1390 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1444.2725 (pause 1.14) 1445.4173 1391 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1445.4173 Um, we played 1446.0694 1392 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1446.0694 (pause 0.12) 1446.1927 1393 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1446.1927 back there. Um, we would always walk to the candy lady's house. 1448.7569 1394 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1448.7569 (pause 0.70) 1449.4618 1395 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1449.4618 Um, and that's- I really miss the candy lady's house. Um, 1452.1795 1396 DCB_int_01 1452.3822 With the penny candy? 1453.2369 1397 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1453.2986 [Mm-hm.] 1453.7171 1398 DCB_int_01 1453.3030 [Mm-hm.] 1453.9506 1399 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1454.3383 Um, and she had these little like, snow cone things. I don't even know what it was. Um, but it's not like the snow cones up here. Like, 1460.2150 1400 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1460.2150 (pause 0.16) 1460.3736 1401 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1460.3736 I don't know how to explain it. 1461.1182 1402 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1461.1182 (pause 0.36) 1461.4750 1403 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1461.4750 But you know, uh, bag of candy for a quarter. 1463.7434 1404 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1463.7434 (pause 0.15) 1463.8976 1405 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1463.8976 Like a full bag of candy for a quarter. 1465.4748 1406 DCB_int_01 1465.8361 [Hm.] 1466.1577 1407 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1465.8493 [Um], 1466.1885 1408 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1466.3295 and I really miss that, but uh, we 1467.9729 1409 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1467.9729 (pause 0.15) 1468.1271 1410 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1468.1271 just went for walks. There's a pool down the street from my grandmother's house. 1471.2061 1411 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1471.2061 (pause 0.50) 1471.7083 1412 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1471.7083 Um, 1472.1753 1413 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1472.1753 (pause 0.74) 1472.9199 1414 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1472.9199 riding bikes. 1473.8055 1415 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1473.8055 (pause 0.35) 1474.1535 1416 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1474.1535 Um, my dad was a- 1475.5017 1417 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1475.5017 (pause 1.65) 1477.1532 1418 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1477.1532 We had our issues now, but 1478.9551 1419 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1478.9551 (pause 0.13) 1479.0873 1420 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1479.0873 back at that time, like he was a very 1480.7042 1421 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1480.7042 (pause 0.21) 1480.9151 1422 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1480.9151 hands on, 1481.7301 1423 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1481.7301 (pause 0.82) 1482.5540 1424 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1482.5540 outside, 1483.2986 1425 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1483.2986 (pause 0.76) 1484.0608 1426 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1484.0608 playground or 1485.4794 1427 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1485.4794 (pause 0.43) 1485.9112 1428 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1485.9112 you know, we're gonna 1486.9730 1429 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1486.9730 (pause 1.14) 1488.1134 1430 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1488.1134 just 1488.4923 1431 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1488.4923 (pause 0.24) 1488.7347 1432 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1488.7347 w- walk 1489.3823 1433 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1489.3823 (pause 0.67) 1490.0520 1434 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1490.0520 and explore 1490.7745 1435 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1490.7745 (pause 0.31) 1491.0829 1436 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1491.0829 today, 1491.3781 1437 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1491.3781 (pause 0.15) 1491.5323 1438 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1491.5323 type thing. 1491.9464 1439 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1491.9464 (pause 0.47) 1492.4179 1440 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1492.4179 Um, but I say like, 1493.3739 1441 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1493.3739 (pause 0.18) 1493.5583 1442 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1493.5583 if I really think about it, majority of our time was spent 1496.1357 1443 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1496.1357 (pause 0.15) 1496.2811 1444 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1496.2811 jumping on those stoops. 1497.2459 1445 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1497.2459 (pause 0.53) 1497.7790 1446 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1497.7790 And I don't know why it entertained us for hours, but we would literally [jump from stoop to stoop. ] 1502.4265 1447 DCB_int_01 1500.3117 [Cause you were kids, and that's what we do- They] do s- 1502.8406 1448 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1503.2547 [Yup.] 1503.6248 1449 DCB_int_01 1503.2547 [Kids are] the weirdest [little creatures.] 1505.0164 1450 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1504.1315 [Stoops.] 1504.6778 1451 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1504.6778 (pause 0.25) 1504.9283 1452 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1504.9283 And actually, we would play on the clothing lines, now that I think about it. 1507.8493 1453 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1508.0167 [Um], 1508.4705 1454 DCB_int_01 1508.2370 [Mm-hm.] 1508.7216 1455 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1508.7657 the line wasn't there anymore, but the 1510.4531 1456 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1510.4531 (pause 0.09) 1510.5412 1457 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1510.5412 bar was still there. 1511.4620 1458 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1511.4620 (pause 0.34) 1511.8050 1459 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1511.8050 Um, and I was very flexible as a child, so I would literally grab on and spin 1515.4398 1460 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1515.4398 (pause 0.12) 1515.5631 1461 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1515.5631 around 1516.0698 1462 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1516.0698 (pause 0.24) 1516.3121 1463 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1516.3121 the thing constantly. 1517.3959 1464 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1517.3959 (pause 0.63) 1518.0253 1465 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1518.0253 Um, 1518.4747 1466 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1518.4747 (pause 1.16) 1519.6334 1467 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1519.6334 and that's how I know now that things have changed so much to what we're afraid of. Like, my parents would 1523.9945 1468 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1523.9945 (pause 0.43) 1524.4218 1469 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1524.4218 let us spin around it. Like, not worry that it's concrete under us. 1527.9156 1470 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1527.9156 (pause 0.41) 1528.3297 1471 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1528.3297 And it's like- 1528.9554 1472 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1528.9554 (pause 0.62) 1529.5759 1473 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1529.5759 It was- Everything was fine then, you know. 1531.0519 1474 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1531.0519 (pause 0.21) 1531.2633 1475 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1531.2633 No worry 1531.7392 1476 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1531.7392 (pause 0.17) 1531.9110 1477 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1531.9110 in the world. 1532.4617 1478 DCB_int_01 1532.9375 And now, everything [is-] 1534.1888 1479 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1534.0698 [Mm-hn.] 1534.4355 1480 DCB_int_01 1534.5979 You can't even walk outside. 1535.7698 1481 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1535.9020 [No.] 1536.3117 1482 DCB_int_01 1535.9328 [Like] 1536.2720 1483 DCB_int_01 1536.4923 Southeast is- 1537.3515 1484 DCB_int_01 1537.3515 (pause 0.59) 1537.9462 1485 DCB_int_01 1537.9462 I mean you probably don't even remember- I don't know if you were aw- 1540.1050 1486 DCB_int_01 1540.1050 (pause 0.48) 1540.5853 1487 DCB_int_01 1540.5853 Not that you don't remember, you may just not have been aware because you were eight, 1543.5453 1488 DCB_int_01 1543.5453 (pause 0.24) 1543.7832 1489 DCB_int_01 1543.7832 [six.] 1544.2943 1490 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1543.7876 [Mm-hm.] 1544.1445 1491 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1544.3780 1544.6908 1492 DCB_int_01 1544.7481 Um, but like turf wars. Like, that's what your dad talked a lot about was the [turf wars.] [You do?] 1549.3426 1493 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1548.1046 [And I do.] 1548.6069 1494 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1548.6069 (pause 0.24) 1548.8492 1495 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1548.8492 [I do remember.] 1549.4968 1496 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1549.7083 Um, 1550.0828 1497 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1550.0828 (pause 0.15) 1550.2282 1498 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1550.2282 cause my mom is um, 1551.8363 1499 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1551.8363 (pause 0.54) 1552.3738 1500 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1552.3738 from- What i- It's something with a d, 1553.8711 1501 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1553.8711 (pause 0.74) 1554.6069 1502 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1554.6069 where's she actually from. 1555.8317 1503 DCB_int_01 1556.3295 In D- Deanwood? 1557.2856 1504 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1557.6072 Yes. 1558.0434 1505 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1558.0434 (pause 0.35) 1558.3958 1506 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1558.3958 That's where my mother grew up. 1559.4400 1507 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1559.4400 (pause 0.48) 1559.9196 1508 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1559.9196 And my father's from Woodland. 1561.2061 1509 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1561.2061 (pause 0.32) 1561.5277 1510 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1561.5277 And there's Berry Farms. 1562.7260 1511 DCB_int_01 1563.3517 That [is very much-] 1564.4223 1512 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1563.4706 [And I r-] 1564.1755 1513 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1564.5544 And I do remember cause I- I was a nosy child, very very nosy [child.] 1567.7392 1514 DCB_int_01 1567.4880 [ That's great.] 1569.2415 1515 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1567.8669 [So I remember them going] back and forth 1569.9156 1516 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1570.1799 um, constantly uh, cause 1571.8932 1517 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1571.8932 (pause 0.89) 1572.7831 1518 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1572.7831 the family is so 1573.9947 1519 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1573.9947 (pause 0.17) 1574.1621 1520 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1574.1621 dispersed that 1575.0917 1521 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1575.0917 (pause 0.34) 1575.4354 1522 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1575.4354 when they moved, you know, even though you're from Deanwood, 1577.7874 1523 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1577.7874 (pause 0.38) 1578.1707 1524 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1578.1707 or- 1578.3646 1525 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1578.3646 (pause 0.31) 1578.6730 1526 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1578.6730 Whatever, it's- it's Deanwood right? 1579.7215 1527 DCB_int_01 1579.7171 Mm-hm. 1579.9859 1528 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1580.2238 You 1580.9155 1529 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1580.9155 (pause 0.34) 1581.2591 1530 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1581.2591 moved to Berry Farms, so you resonated with them. 1583.8843 1531 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1583.8843 (pause 0.71) 1584.5981 1532 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1584.5981 So you know, f- fighting with family, your own family. 1586.8538 1533 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1586.8538 (pause 0.65) 1587.5015 1534 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1587.5015 So, I- I do remember 1588.8805 1535 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1588.8805 (pause 0.36) 1589.2367 1536 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1589.2367 constantly you know, getting killed from it, like, 1591.5762 1537 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1591.5762 (pause 0.19) 1591.7700 1538 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1591.7700 and then my- my Uncle /RD-NAME-2/, my mother's 1593.5323 1539 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1593.5323 (pause 0.48) 1594.0081 1540 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1594.0081 older brother was actually murdered 1595.5678 1541 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1595.5678 (pause 0.20) 1595.7654 1542 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1595.7654 in DC. 1596.2280 1543 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1596.2280 (pause 0.63) 1596.8624 1544 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1596.8624 And it's- 1597.6422 1545 DCB_int_01 1598.4000 Was it a turf thing? 1599.2591 1546 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1599.4618 Mm-hm. 1599.7173 1547 DCB_int_01 1600.6640 Wow. 1600.9547 1548 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1601.3557 Still don't know, 1601.9725 1549 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1601.9725 (pause 0.24) 1602.2148 1550 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1602.2148 to this day, 1602.6598 1551 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1602.6598 (pause 0.18) 1602.8404 1552 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1602.8404 who killed him. 1603.3338 1553 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1603.3338 (pause 0.14) 1603.4704 1554 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1603.4704 Shot seventeen times in cold blood. 1605.2415 1555 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1605.2415 (pause 1.60) 1606.8452 1556 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1606.8452 Yup. 1607.1052 1557 DCB_int_01 1607.3072 When was this? 1607.9813 1558 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1608.2941 He was eighteen at the time. 1609.6114 1559 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1609.6114 (pause 0.23) 1609.8405 1560 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1609.8405 Um, 1610.2590 1561 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1610.2590 (pause 3.44) 1613.7037 1562 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1613.7037 I wanna say 1614.5452 1563 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1614.5452 (pause 0.15) 1614.6950 1564 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1614.6950 it was about 1615.4352 1565 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1615.4352 (pause 0.82) 1616.2590 1566 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1616.2590 ninety three or ninety four. 1617.5808 1567 DCB_int_01 1618.2064 Wow. 1618.6425 1568 DCB_int_01 1618.6425 (pause 0.35) 1618.9950 1569 DCB_int_01 1618.9950 [Yeah.] 1619.4003 1570 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1619.0032 [Mm.] 1619.4217 1571 DCB_int_01 1620.0341 And it still- They still exist. 1621.5277 1572 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1621.6819 Mm-hm. 1621.9903 1573 DCB_int_01 1622.3031 Um, 1622.8891 1574 DCB_int_01 1622.8891 (pause 0.86) 1623.7526 1575 DCB_int_01 1623.7526 so I work at /RD-WORK-4/ too, and th- 1625.1580 1576 DCB_int_01 1625.1580 (pause 0.26) 1625.4217 1577 DCB_int_01 1625.4217 there's one /RD-WORK-1/ in Southeast, and so 1627.1180 1578 DCB_int_01 1627.1180 (pause 0.13) 1627.2501 1579 DCB_int_01 1627.2501 kids- 1627.5806 1580 DCB_int_01 1627.5806 (pause 0.88) 1628.4617 1581 DCB_int_01 1628.4617 A lot of the neighborhood from both 1629.8011 1582 DCB_int_01 1629.8011 (pause 0.21) 1630.0081 1583 DCB_int_01 1630.0081 turfs come to the /RD-WORK-1/, 1631.3519 1584 DCB_int_01 1631.3519 (pause 0.53) 1631.8843 1585 DCB_int_01 1631.8843 but when they take kids home on this street, 1633.4528 1586 DCB_int_01 1633.4528 (pause 0.14) 1633.5894 1587 DCB_int_01 1633.5894 the other kids have to duck down. And when they go on the other street- It's just crazy. 1636.4487 1588 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1636.4355 And my mom was asking /RD-NAME-1/ how that goes. Um, cause /it's on/ Benning Road, 1639.7304 1589 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1639.9991 and there's two Benning Roads, 1641.2107 1590 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1641.2107 (pause 0.15) 1641.3561 1591 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1641.3561 [so] when they said Benning Road, I didn't know which one it was. And /RD-NAME-1/ actually took me past it so I could find out which one it was. 1646.2018 1592 DCB_int_01 1641.6116 [/Hm/.] 1641.8363 1593 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1646.6556 Um, but she asked, you know, how are the kids playing together? 1649.2065 1594 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1649.2065 (pause 0.61) 1649.8139 1595 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1649.8139 The same /unintelligible/, and it's- 1650.6289 1596 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1650.6289 (pause 0.20) 1650.8316 1597 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1650.8316 They're too little 1651.3911 1598 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1651.3911 (pause 0.33) 1651.7171 1599 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1651.7171 to- 1652.0299 1600 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1652.0299 (pause 1.24) 1653.2724 1601 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1653.2724 Here, they know they can play here, but when they go home, it's, we go our separate ways. 1657.3141 1602 DCB_int_01 1657.5145 Yeah. 1657.7436 1603 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1657.8229 And it's crazy to watch these kids grow up, 1659.4486 1604 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1659.4486 (pause 0.59) 1660.0346 1605 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1660.0346 and they turn around and kill each other 1661.3210 1606 DCB_int_01 1662.0430 Yup. 1662.2104 1607 DCB_int_01 1662.2104 (pause 0.41) 1662.6245 1608 DCB_int_01 1662.6245 [/inaudible/.] 1663.5850 1609 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1662.6421 [because of what they're being] told by someone else. 1664.6688 1610 DCB_int_01 1665.5367 Do you f- 1666.0213 1611 DCB_int_01 1666.0213 (pause 0.25) 1666.2681 1612 DCB_int_01 1666.2681 Have you been- Okay. 1667.2549 1613 DCB_int_01 1667.2549 (pause 0.89) 1668.1487 1614 DCB_int_01 1668.1487 So I remember coming to DC when I was a- 1670.2590 1615 DCB_int_01 1670.2590 (pause 0.22) 1670.4793 1616 DCB_int_01 1670.4793 eleven, 1670.9551 1617 DCB_int_01 1670.9551 (pause 0.41) 1671.3605 1618 DCB_int_01 1671.3605 and we went to the monuments and all [the] museums, 1673.8579 1619 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1673.0208 [Mm-hm.] 1673.3116 1620 DCB_int_01 1674.5540 but when it's in your back yard, 1675.9110 1621 DCB_int_01 1675.9110 (pause 0.29) 1676.2018 1622 DCB_int_01 1676.2018 do you ever play tourist? Have you ever played tourist? 1679.0303 1623 DCB_int_01 1679.0303 (pause 0.24) 1679.2675 1624 DCB_int_01 1679.2675 Or is that like, oh, the- 1680.2544 1625 DCB_int_01 1680.2544 (pause 0.14) 1680.3910 1626 DCB_int_01 1680.3910 the monuments and museums, they're right there. I don't need to go to that. 1682.6688 1627 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1683.0124 We- No. 1683.7570 1628 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1683.7570 (pause 0.31) 1684.0654 1629 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1684.0654 Um, 1684.5148 1630 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1684.5148 (pause 0.42) 1684.9333 1631 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1684.9333 I actually didn't go 1686.2676 1632 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1686.2676 (pause 0.13) 1686.3954 1633 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1686.3954 to the monuments, and I may not remember it. I- I seriously doubt that they took us actually, 1690.4355 1634 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1690.4355 (pause 0.43) 1690.8628 1635 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1690.8628 but 1691.1668 1636 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1691.1668 (pause 0.38) 1691.5495 1637 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1691.5495 I didn't go 1692.1663 1638 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1692.1663 (pause 0.07) 1692.2324 1639 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1692.2324 to the monuments until I was in middle school. 1693.8757 1640 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1693.8757 (pause 0.32) 1694.1974 1641 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1694.1974 When I was in Virginia, we took a trip back 1695.5984 1642 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1695.5984 (pause 0.24) 1695.8407 1643 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1695.8407 to go 1696.2989 1644 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1696.2989 (pause 0.13) 1696.4311 1645 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1696.4311 to monuments um, and I've been telling my parents I'm gonna take /RD-NAME-2/. 1699.2766 1646 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1699.2766 (pause 0.59) 1699.8625 1647 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1699.8625 Um, 1700.3075 1648 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1700.3075 (pause 0.18) 1700.4881 1649 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1700.4881 cause 1700.9728 1650 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1700.9728 (pause 1.58) 1702.5538 1651 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1702.5538 in my family, education was import- important, but those 1705.8801 1652 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1705.8801 (pause 0.14) 1706.0211 1653 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1706.0211 structural things, the materialistic things, weren't important. 1709.2587 1654 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1709.2587 (pause 0.48) 1709.7345 1655 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1709.7345 They never took us to go see 1711.4131 1656 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1711.4131 (pause 0.18) 1711.5894 1657 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1711.5894 the Lincoln Memorial, 1712.7789 1658 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1712.7789 (pause 0.16) 1712.9419 1659 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1712.9419 never took us to walk on the mall. They never took us to stand where Martin Luther King Junior stood, 1717.0563 1660 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1717.0563 (pause 0.64) 1717.6995 1661 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1717.6995 type things. 1718.3075 1662 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1718.3075 (pause 0.45) 1718.7569 1663 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1718.7569 So no, 1719.4574 1664 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1719.4574 (pause 0.18) 1719.6380 1665 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1719.6380 I- I didn't know what any of that stuff was 1721.3254 1666 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1721.3254 (pause 0.33) 1721.6508 1667 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1721.6508 um, literally until I moved 1723.0827 1668 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1723.0827 (pause 0.41) 1723.4880 1669 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1723.4880 to Virginia, and I heard 1724.3075 1670 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1724.3075 (pause 0.17) 1724.4793 1671 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1724.4793 the, you're from DC, and you never- 1726.2637 1672 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1726.2637 (pause 0.19) 1726.4575 1673 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1726.4575 No, I haven't, 1727.3563 1674 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1727.3563 (pause 0.34) 1727.6949 1675 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1727.6949 so. 1728.0738 1676 DCB_int_01 1728.1443 [] 1730.4573 1677 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1728.7831 [Um, sorry.] 1730.5366 1678 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1730.9551 Um, 1731.3473 1679 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1731.3473 (pause 1.08) 1732.4223 1680 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1732.4223 but I do realize the beauty in those things, and I love museums. 1734.7699 1681 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1734.7699 (pause 0.17) 1734.9417 1682 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1734.9417 And 1735.2589 1683 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1735.2589 (pause 0.23) 1735.4880 1684 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1735.4880 I love 1735.8625 1685 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1735.8625 (pause 0.14) 1735.9991 1686 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1735.9991 taking walks and love the cherry blossoms and everything. 1737.9156 1687 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1737.9156 (pause 0.47) 1738.3870 1688 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1738.3870 But no, they never 1739.2367 1689 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1739.2367 (pause 0.50) 1739.7390 1690 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1739.7390 took us to any of that stuff. Um, 1741.2942 1691 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1741.2942 (pause 0.43) 1741.7259 1692 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1741.7259 they took us to a couple like, basketball games, like the Wizards and 1744.2857 1693 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1744.2857 (pause 0.48) 1744.7703 1694 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1744.7703 the um- 1745.3431 1695 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1745.3431 (pause 0.62) 1745.9636 1696 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1745.9636 1746.0826 1697 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1746.0826 (pause 0.24) 1746.3205 1698 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1746.3205 the Harlem Globe Trotters. And they would always take us to the circus. 1748.7393 1699 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1748.7393 (pause 0.59) 1749.3340 1700 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1749.3340 That [was fun.] 1749.7129 1701 DCB_int_01 1749.4838 [Hm.] 1749.6997 1702 DCB_int_01 1750.7130 Did you- 1751.1266 1703 DCB_int_01 1751.1266 (pause 0.23) 1751.3601 1704 DCB_int_01 1751.3601 Okay. So going- Did you- 1752.7258 1705 DCB_int_01 1752.7258 (pause 0.45) 1753.1796 1706 DCB_int_01 1753.1796 Did you talk to your grandmother a lot? 1754.5718 1707 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1754.8935 Mm-hm. 1755.1975 1708 DCB_int_01 1755.6072 Do you remember her telling you [stories?] 1757.2549 1709 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1756.6816 [] 1757.0340 1710 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1757.2764 Mm-hm. 1757.5407 1711 DCB_int_01 1757.4922 What are your- some of your [fondest like, memories of her] storytelling? 1759.9859 1712 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1758.1707 [] 1759.3074 1713 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1759.3074 (pause 0.63) 1759.9330 1714 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1759.9330 Um, 1760.3427 1715 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1761.0345 and my mom says that she's lying, but my grandmother [swore that she went to a segregated school.] 1765.6907 1716 DCB_int_01 1763.3733 [] 1765.3999 1717 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1766.0299 Um, 1766.4617 1718 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1766.4617 (pause 0.74) 1767.2019 1719 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1767.2019 and that- 1767.8011 1720 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1767.8011 (pause 0.19) 1767.9949 1721 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1767.9949 Cause she's 1768.4839 1722 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1768.4839 (pause 0.75) 1769.2323 1723 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1769.2323 a little lighter- She was a little lighter than me actually. 1771.0298 1724 DCB_int_01 1771.2237 Mm. 1771.5277 1725 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1771.6775 Um, 1772.0872 1726 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1772.0872 (pause 0.72) 1772.8054 1727 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1772.8054 and 1773.2680 1728 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1773.2680 (pause 0.36) 1773.6248 1729 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1773.6248 they swear that she looked just like me when she was a child, but I don't know. 1776.3910 1730 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1776.3910 (pause 0.39) 1776.7787 1731 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1776.7787 But 1777.1664 1732 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1777.1664 (pause 0.13) 1777.2942 1733 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1777.2942 she was picked on obviously. 1779.0521 1734 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1779.0521 (pause 0.20) 1779.2503 1735 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1779.2503 Um, 1779.6645 1736 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1779.6645 (pause 0.14) 1779.8055 1737 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1779.8055 cause you know, going to a segregated school, 1781.6112 1738 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1781.6112 (pause 0.27) 1781.8843 1739 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1781.8843 where should she fit in? 1782.8272 1740 DCB_int_01 1783.3250 [Mm-hm.] 1783.9418 1741 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1783.4308 [Um], 1783.7083 1742 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1784.1930 especially in DC where people are typically darker in skin tone in DC. 1787.8667 1743 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1787.8667 (pause 0.52) 1788.3866 1744 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1788.3866 So, where should she fit in? Um, she said that 1790.8979 1745 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1790.8979 (pause 0.20) 1791.0961 1746 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1791.0961 she was beat up in school. The teachers would beat the crap out of her. 1794.7479 1747 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1794.7479 (pause 0.64) 1795.3911 1748 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1795.3911 Um- 1795.8449 1749 DCB_int_01 1796.7437 Because she was lighter? 1797.5323 1750 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1797.8055 1797.9332 1751 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1797.9332 (pause 0.57) 1798.5016 1752 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1798.5016 She said she felt like she was picked on. 1799.6368 1753 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1799.6368 (pause 0.30) 1799.9416 1754 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1799.9416 Mm-hm. 1800.2456 1755 DCB_int_01 1800.3866 Hm. 1800.5452 1756 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1801.1047 And um- 1801.9595 1757 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1801.9595 (pause 1.16) 1803.1182 1758 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1803.1182 I'm tryna remember what else 1803.9993 1759 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1803.9993 (pause 0.21) 1804.2108 1760 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1804.2108 she said. 1804.7174 1761 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1804.7174 (pause 0.29) 1805.0076 1762 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1805.0076 Um, 1805.4350 1763 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1805.4350 (pause 1.07) 1806.5056 1764 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1806.5056 but 1806.7347 1765 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1806.7347 (pause 0.24) 1806.9726 1766 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1806.9726 my grandmother 1808.1048 1767 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1808.1048 (pause 0.85) 1808.9507 1768 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1808.9507 didn't grow up in DC. 1810.0918 1769 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1810.0918 (pause 1.49) 1811.5848 1770 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1811.5848 Um, 1811.9989 1771 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1811.9989 (pause 0.63) 1812.6333 1772 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1812.6333 my grandmother, I wanna say 1814.3692 1773 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1814.3692 (pause 0.90) 1815.2724 1774 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1815.2724 grew up in North Carolina? I think that's where she met my grandfather, 1818.5628 1775 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1818.5628 (pause 0.15) 1818.7082 1776 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1818.7082 and then they moved to DC later. 1820.1930 1777 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1820.1930 (pause 0.80) 1820.9904 1778 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1820.9904 [Um], 1821.3913 1779 DCB_int_01 1820.9992 [I think that's] what your dad said. [/Yeah/.] 1822.4663 1780 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1821.9993 [Yes.] 1822.4619 1781 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1822.9069 Um, 1823.4482 1782 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1823.4482 (pause 0.98) 1824.4307 1783 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1824.4307 and I remember her um- 1826.0652 1784 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1826.0652 (pause 0.67) 1826.7349 1785 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1826.7349 Cause my grandmother was an alcoholic, so it depend on the day 1829.2814 1786 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1829.2814 (pause 0.55) 1829.8271 1787 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1829.8271 um, 1830.1090 1788 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1830.1090 (pause 0.49) 1830.5981 1789 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1830.5981 what she was feeling that day, I guess you could say. 1832.5851 1790 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1832.5851 (pause 0.47) 1833.0521 1791 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1833.0521 And 1833.6116 1792 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1833.6116 (pause 0.79) 1834.4046 1793 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1834.4046 sometimes, and you know, it was like, ab- about the growing up hard, 1837.7876 1794 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1837.7876 (pause 0.29) 1838.0740 1795 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1838.0740 [growing up] a woman, 1839.0829 1796 DCB_int_01 1838.2855 [/Hm/.] 1838.4881 1797 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1839.7173 um, cause my grandmother I guess was born in about 1841.7918 1798 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1841.7918 (pause 1.09) 1842.8844 1799 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1842.8844 nineteen 1843.5894 1800 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1843.5894 (pause 0.44) 1844.0299 1801 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1844.0299 thirty or nineteen fortyish? 1845.3120 1802 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1845.3120 (pause 0.49) 1845.8011 1803 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1845.8011 Um, 1846.2681 1804 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1846.2681 (pause 0.24) 1846.5060 1805 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1846.5060 so always telling me, you know, you got to be a young lady, 1848.7963 1806 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1848.7963 (pause 0.56) 1849.3515 1807 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1849.3515 um, 1849.7920 1808 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1849.7920 (pause 0.18) 1849.9683 1809 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1849.9683 and to this day, I remember, and I tell people all the time. My grandmother drunk beer, 1853.2631 1810 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1853.2631 (pause 0.13) 1853.3953 1811 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1853.3953 but she would pour 1854.1134 1812 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1854.1134 (pause 0.14) 1854.2544 1813 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1854.2544 the beer into a glass. 1855.3735 1814 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1855.3735 (pause 1.44) 1856.8098 1815 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1856.8098 Always drunk out a straw. 1857.7834 1816 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1857.7834 (pause 0.22) 1857.9993 1817 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1857.9993 Never put her lips on the rim of a cup. 1859.7478 1818 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1859.7478 (pause 0.64) 1860.3910 1819 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1860.3910 Um, and she would yell at me for it. 1861.6599 1820 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1861.6599 (pause 0.15) 1861.8097 1821 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1861.8097 Like, you're a young lady. 1862.8494 1822 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1862.8494 (pause 0.40) 1863.2459 1823 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1863.2459 Why are you doing that? You shouldn't do that. 1864.6734 1824 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1864.6734 (pause 1.25) 1865.9230 1825 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1865.9230 And I- I guess it confused me because I guess my family grew up in DC, but she didn't grew up in DC. She grew 1871.0230 1826 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1871.0230 (pause 0.32) 1871.3401 1827 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1871.3401 i- up in the South somewhere. 1872.4266 1828 DCB_int_01 1872.8509 [Mm-hm.] 1873.2053 1829 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1872.9908 Not- not positive. I think it was North Carolina. 1875.1625 1830 DCB_int_01 1875.3257 I think [that's what he said.] 1876.2210 1831 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1875.5869 [/In the South.] 1876.1977 1832 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1876.5008 Um, 1876.8598 1833 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1876.8598 (pause 0.77) 1877.6292 1834 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1877.6292 and I wanna say cause her /lan/-her last name 1879.4617 1835 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1879.4617 (pause 0.15) 1879.6144 1836 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1879.6144 was uh- her maiden name was /RD-NAME-3/, 1881.2418 1837 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1881.2418 (pause 0.18) 1881.4236 1838 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1881.4236 so I think she grew up 1882.6686 1839 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1882.6686 (pause 0.27) 1882.9391 1840 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1882.9391 wherever the /RD-NAME-3/ farm is, I think is where she's from. 1885.4571 1841 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1885.4571 (pause 0.79) 1886.2486 1842 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1886.2486 But um, 1886.8594 1843 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1886.8594 (pause 0.86) 1887.7174 1844 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1887.7174 you know, and then 1888.4775 1845 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1888.4775 (pause 0.11) 1888.5847 1846 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1888.5847 of course, depending on the day, she would tell me- she would remember that her relatives that are older than her were actually slaves. 1895.2235 1847 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1895.2235 (pause 0.96) 1896.1841 1848 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1896.1841 According to her, I don't know if she was telling the truth, but they were slaves so. 1899.9972 1849 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1899.9972 (pause 0.38) 1900.3795 1850 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1900.3795 You know, she was that first generation coming out of slavery is what [she was tryna say.] 1903.8161 1851 DCB_int_01 1903.1155 [] 1903.8103 1852 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1904.1553 Um, 1904.5703 1853 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1904.5703 (pause 0.38) 1904.9480 1854 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1904.9480 and it was just hilarious to us, /that/ 1906.6313 1855 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1906.6313 (pause 0.20) 1906.8272 1856 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1906.8272 um- 1907.1956 1857 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1907.1956 (pause 0.71) 1907.9043 1858 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1907.9043 And 1908.4825 1859 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1908.4825 (pause 0.17) 1908.6504 1860 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1908.6504 just education was important to her. Like, I- My fondest memories of her are her- 1912.8225 1861 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1912.8225 (pause 0.47) 1913.2935 1862 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1913.2935 She lived in a three level townhouse, so we would literally go all the way up to the top 1916.3185 1863 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1916.3185 (pause 0.16) 1916.4771 1864 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1916.4771 and count every single one of those steps 1918.1044 1865 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1918.1044 (pause 0.86) 1918.9624 1866 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1918.9624 back and forth until we learned how to count. 1920.5618 1867 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1920.5618 (pause 0.41) 1920.9721 1868 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1920.9721 That's how all of us- like, literally it's how all /bran/ ch- /RD-NAME-1/ children learned how to count 1924.4122 1869 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1924.4122 (pause 0.58) 1924.9950 1870 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1924.9950 the [steps.] 1925.4800 1871 DCB_int_01 1925.2608 [Mm-hm.] 1925.8577 1872 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1926.1095 Um, and I remember and I aksed /RD-NAME-2/, cause /RD-NAME-2/ was 1928.4911 1873 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1928.4911 (pause 0.14) 1928.6310 1874 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1928.6310 three when she passed, 1929.6102 1875 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1929.6102 (pause 0.16) 1929.7687 1876 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1929.7687 and he still remembers 1930.7059 1877 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1930.7059 (pause 0.14) 1930.8458 1878 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1930.8458 that that's how he learned how to count 1931.9183 1879 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1931.9183 (pause 0.26) 1932.1748 1880 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1932.1748 steps. 1932.6131 1881 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1932.6131 (pause 0.45) 1933.0654 1882 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1933.0654 so. 1933.4058 1883 DCB_int_01 1934.6216 Wow. 1934.9527 1884 DCB_int_01 1934.9527 (pause 0.54) 1935.4889 1885 DCB_int_01 1935.4889 And she- 1935.7874 1886 DCB_int_01 1935.7874 (pause 0.25) 1936.0392 1887 DCB_int_01 1936.0392 Uh- 1936.5101 1888 DCB_int_01 1936.5101 (pause 0.26) 1936.7666 1889 DCB_int_01 1936.7666 Did- She just passed a couple years ago- a few years [ago /right/?] 1938.8882 1890 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1938.4545 [Two thousand] and 1939.4151 1891 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1939.6611 eleven. 1940.1973 1892 DCB_int_01 1940.3978 Mm-hm. 1940.7522 1893 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1940.7615 Mm-hm. 1941.0273 1894 DCB_int_01 1941.0646 I remember your dad 1941.6941 1895 DCB_int_01 1941.6941 (pause 0.17) 1941.8666 1896 DCB_int_01 1941.8666 was saying it was a few years ago. 1943.4473 1897 DCB_int_01 1943.4473 (pause 0.41) 1943.8530 1898 DCB_int_01 1943.8530 Um, do you remember the story about 1945.4664 1899 DCB_int_01 1945.4664 (pause 0.55) 1946.0155 1900 DCB_int_01 1946.0155 your mom's car? Your mom's brand new car? 1948.3469 1901 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1949.1116 It depends on which one. She had a lot of [cars.] 1951.6762 1902 DCB_int_01 1951.0840 [Um], 1951.5363 1903 DCB_int_01 1952.1647 1952.3792 1904 DCB_int_01 1952.3792 (pause 0.65) 1953.0273 1905 DCB_int_01 1953.0273 think it was a- 1953.9039 1906 DCB_int_01 1953.9039 (pause 0.33) 1954.2303 1907 DCB_int_01 1954.2303 Was it an Escalade or something that got keyed up. 1956.4219 1908 DCB_int_01 1956.4219 (pause 3.16) 1959.5869 1909 DCB_int_01 1959.5869 I don't know if you were in the car. It may have been just your dad and your mom. 1962.1235 1910 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1962.6690 Mm-mm. 1963.0934 1911 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1963.0934 (pause 0.30) 1963.3953 1912 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1963.3953 I remember a- 1964.0621 1913 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1964.0621 (pause 0.17) 1964.2299 1914 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1964.2299 a car being keyed up. 1965.4610 1915 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1965.4610 (pause 0.16) 1965.6242 1916 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1965.6242 Um, 1966.1044 1917 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1966.1044 (pause 0.83) 1966.9391 1918 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1966.9391 I remember 1967.8950 1919 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1967.8950 (pause 0.66) 1968.5525 1920 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1968.5525 her having a lot of issues with the woman in the neighborhood. 1970.9574 1921 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1970.9574 (pause 0.32) 1971.2744 1922 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1971.2744 Um, because she was younger, 1972.3516 1923 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1972.3516 (pause 0.25) 1972.5987 1924 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1972.5987 she had no business being with my father. 1973.9836 1925 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1973.9836 (pause 0.19) 1974.1701 1926 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1974.1701 Um, I'm pretty sure he probably told you that [too.] 1975.8196 1927 DCB_int_01 1975.6704 [He] didn't, so [I didn't- He didn't-] 1977.1299 1928 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1976.3838 [] 1977.0972 1929 DCB_int_01 1977.3211 You know what? He talks- He talked about your mom- 1979.6991 1930 DCB_int_01 1979.6991 (pause 0.31) 1980.0069 1931 DCB_int_01 1980.0069 about- 1980.4172 1932 DCB_int_01 1980.4172 (pause 1.55) 1981.9688 1933 DCB_int_01 1981.9688 Excuse me, about them meeting, but he didn't talk a lot about- 1984.4029 1934 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1984.6733 And that's- that's debatable too. 1985.9370 1935 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1985.9370 (pause 0.48) 1986.4219 1936 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1986.4219 Um, 1986.7623 1937 DCB_int_01 1986.7576 [] 1988.6216 1938 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1987.0421 [so according to him, when we were] children, what he would tell us when he was putting us to bed, 1990.8887 1939 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1991.3448 he was walking down the street, 1992.5152 1940 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1992.5152 (pause 0.14) 1992.6504 1941 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1992.6504 and he saw my mother getting off the bus. 1994.2020 1942 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1994.2020 (pause 0.45) 1994.6543 1943 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1994.6543 And that was the woman he was gonna marry. 1996.1884 1944 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1996.1884 (pause 0.60) 1996.7852 1945 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1996.7852 So my father was thirty five, and my mother, sixteen. 1999.7042 1946 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 1999.7042 (pause 0.70) 2000.4025 1947 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2000.4025 So, and I tell him all the time, you had no business talking to my mother, but I- I wouldn't be here if you didn't. 2005.0980 1948 DCB_int_01 2005.5818 [] 2006.7289 1949 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2005.5958 [But] 2006.0248 1950 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2006.9527 apparently in the neighborhood, my father, of course, thirty five, have had numerous girlfriends in the neighborhood, 2012.0294 1951 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2012.0294 (pause 0.48) 2012.5097 1952 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2012.5097 so I remember her saying you know, she was constantly attacked, 2015.9183 1953 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2015.9183 (pause 0.27) 2016.1841 1954 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2016.1841 badgered. 2016.7530 1955 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2016.7530 (pause 0.14) 2016.8975 1956 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2016.8975 She's not from Woodland. 2017.8721 1957 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2017.8721 (pause 1.15) 2019.0226 1958 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2019.0226 You know? She's from Deanwood. 2020.2024 1959 DCB_int_01 2020.3283 So that's an- Yeah. First of all, you count- you crossing, 2022.6877 1960 DCB_int_01 2022.6877 (pause 0.30) 2022.9908 1961 DCB_int_01 2022.9908 not only just neighborhoods, you're crossing /qua-/ quadrants [so- and] wards. So she's ward seven, 2027.2468 1962 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2025.1719 [Mm-hm.] 2025.6661 1963 DCB_int_01 2027.5359 Northeast. 2028.1235 1964 DCB_int_01 2028.1235 (pause 0.38) 2028.5058 1965 DCB_int_01 2028.5058 That's ward [eight], Southeast. [That's a] whole lot. [That's a lot] going on [/with that/.] 2032.3422 1966 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2029.4419 [Mm-hm.] 2029.8569 1967 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2029.8569 (pause 0.44) 2030.2952 1968 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2030.2952 [] 2030.6216 1969 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2030.6216 (pause 0.49) 2031.1112 1970 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2031.1112 [Yes.] 2031.5449 1971 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2031.5449 (pause 0.41) 2031.9506 1972 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2031.9506 [And she-] she constantly had to deal with that. And I remember that she constantly was calling my cousins coming up. Like I- They- they- They were- I tell people my mother and my father are crazy, and they never- Cause they came to Virginia, and they calmed down. 2042.6123 1973 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2043.1532 But 2043.4516 1974 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2043.4516 (pause 0.86) 2044.3096 1975 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2044.3096 they- I remember 2045.2655 1976 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2045.2655 (pause 0.10) 2045.3681 1977 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2045.3681 her calling my cousin /RD-NAME-2/, my cousin /RD-NAME-1/, 2047.8208 1978 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2047.8208 (pause 0.34) 2048.1647 1979 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2048.1647 my cousin /RD-NAME-2/. Like, coming to fight people because she was constantly attacked. 2051.8111 1980 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2051.8111 (pause 0.56) 2052.3753 1981 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2052.3753 Um, 2052.8089 1982 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2052.8089 (pause 0.62) 2053.4279 1983 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2053.4279 because that's not where she should have been. 2054.8221 1984 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2054.8221 (pause 0.55) 2055.3677 1985 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2055.3677 So 2055.8526 1986 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2055.8526 (pause 0.35) 2056.2070 1987 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2056.2070 um, 2056.5800 1988 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2056.5800 (pause 0.56) 2057.1443 1989 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2057.1443 that- that's what I do remember. I don't remember anyone keying the car up. 2059.6984 1990 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2059.6984 (pause 0.19) 2059.8849 1991 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2059.8849 But it could have happened. Um, 2061.4563 1992 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2061.4563 (pause 0.43) 2061.8853 1993 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2061.8853 and what I do remember, 2063.0790 1994 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2063.0790 (pause 0.23) 2063.3075 1995 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2063.3075 is my mom starting fights with people with golf clubs and what not, getting out the car with my cousin /RD-NAME-2/ fighting people with people cutting them off. 2070.0955 1996 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2070.0955 (pause 0.49) 2070.5898 1997 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2070.5898 Um, 2070.9441 1998 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2070.9441 (pause 0.66) 2071.6051 1999 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2071.6051 and that's just the difference in- 2073.1485 2000 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2073.1485 (pause 0.28) 2073.4330 2001 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2073.4330 in culture I guess you could say, and what's perceived as okay. And like, my mom literally has come all the way down. 2078.8548 2002 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2078.8548 (pause 0.41) 2079.2651 2003 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2079.2651 Cause I'm like five, six, remembering like sun roof- my cousin /RD-NAME-2/ and the sun roof, 2083.6855 2004 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2083.6855 (pause 0.16) 2083.8476 2005 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2083.8476 golf club. Like, I can't believe you just did that. Throwing cans and 2086.9018 2006 DCB_int_01 2087.5546 Oh, [wow.] 2088.1468 2007 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2087.7085 [] craziness. 2088.7530 2008 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2088.8789 Craziness. 2089.4897 2009 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2089.4897 (pause 0.29) 2089.7776 2010 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2089.7776 That's what I do remember. 2090.6030 2011 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2090.6030 (pause 0.15) 2090.7569 2012 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2090.7569 [And that's] only okay in DC. 2092.1697 2013 DCB_int_01 2090.7708 [/Huh/.] 2091.0273 2014 DCB_int_01 2092.3562 So she was- Okay. So, 2093.8344 2015 DCB_int_01 2093.8344 (pause 0.23) 2094.0629 2016 DCB_int_01 2094.0629 okay, now I'm getting a whole [different side, which is] great because 2096.5237 2017 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2095.1109 [] 2095.8942 2018 DCB_int_01 2096.8967 he kind of left out a lot of details. He's like, yes, 2098.9764 2019 DCB_int_01 2098.9764 (pause 0.13) 2099.1023 2020 DCB_int_01 2099.1023 I w- something about he was getting off the bus, and she was getting off the bus, 2101.8208 2021 DCB_int_01 2101.8208 (pause 0.63) 2102.4538 2022 DCB_int_01 2102.4538 and he knew- Like, he didn't tell me the age difference, 2104.9671 2023 DCB_int_01 2104.9671 (pause 0.19) 2105.1536 2024 DCB_int_01 2105.1536 and he knew that 2105.9929 2025 DCB_int_01 2105.9929 (pause 0.24) 2106.2307 2026 DCB_int_01 2106.2307 um, 2106.6737 2027 DCB_int_01 2106.6737 (pause 0.37) 2107.0467 2028 DCB_int_01 2107.0467 she was fine, and this was who he was gonna [marry.] 2109.5169 2029 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2108.9900 [] 2109.5402 2030 DCB_int_01 2110.2163 Um, 2110.5847 2031 DCB_int_01 2110.5847 (pause 0.51) 2111.0930 2032 DCB_int_01 2111.0930 and so now to kind of hear some more, 2113.2566 2033 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2113.1586 Mm-hm. 2113.4757 2034 DCB_int_01 2113.6657 filling in some of the meat 2114.8688 2035 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2115.0833 [Okay.] 2115.5169 2036 DCB_int_01 2115.0926 [behind] it. 2115.7967 2037 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2115.8620 Oh yeah, and I can- I can keep telling you the rest of that [s- that] story. [So], 2119.0794 2038 DCB_int_01 2117.6805 [Oh, okay.] 2118.1701 2039 DCB_int_01 2118.1701 (pause 0.25) 2118.4172 2040 DCB_int_01 2118.4172 [Mm-hm.] 2118.7390 2041 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2119.2845 he's from Woodland, still lives with my grandmother. At thirty five years of age, should not be living with my grandmother. 2124.3986 2042 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2124.3986 (pause 0.38) 2124.7763 2043 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2124.7763 So my mother comes over. 2125.8068 2044 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2125.8068 (pause 0.57) 2126.3792 2045 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2126.3792 My mother and my grandmother get into it. 2128.3702 2046 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2128.3702 (pause 0.62) 2128.9857 2047 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2128.9857 Um, I don't remember why they got into it, but they got into it. 2131.8394 2048 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2131.8394 (pause 0.11) 2131.9455 2049 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2131.9455 Um, but I guess they eventually worked it out cause my mother 2134.1044 2050 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2134.1044 (pause 0.12) 2134.2210 2051 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2134.2210 and my grandmother- 2135.0044 2052 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2135.0044 (pause 0.20) 2135.2049 2053 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2135.2049 my- my 2135.7924 2054 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2135.7924 (pause 0.30) 2136.0908 2055 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2136.0908 paternal grandmother had a great relationship. 2137.6855 2056 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2137.6855 (pause 0.55) 2138.2346 2057 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2138.2346 But I remember that when my mother went to go take my father to meet her mother, 2141.9929 2058 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2141.9929 (pause 1.01) 2143.0048 2059 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2143.0048 that was a different story. 2144.0759 2060 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2144.0759 (pause 0.39) 2144.4631 2061 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2144.4631 According to her, my grandmother pulled out a knife, 2146.5894 2062 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2146.5894 (pause 0.17) 2146.7619 2063 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2146.7619 and she was gonna stab my father. 2147.9090 2064 DCB_int_01 2148.2400 /Oh, [okay]/. 2148.9441 2065 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2148.4126 [Um, and it's] 2148.9581 2066 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2149.1493 age difference. 2149.9933 2067 DCB_int_01 2150.1367 [Yeah.] 2150.5237 2068 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2150.1926 [Um], 2150.5937 2069 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2152.1557 why are you, 2152.9811 2070 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2152.9811 (pause 0.08) 2153.0650 2071 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2153.0650 grown man, talking to my child? basically. Cause my mother was a child, and I can- I know she was a child. 2157.0180 2072 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2157.0180 (pause 0.55) 2157.5682 2073 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2157.5682 Um, 2157.9133 2074 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2157.9133 (pause 1.17) 2159.0790 2075 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2159.0790 and they just 2160.0629 2076 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2160.0629 (pause 1.00) 2161.0607 2077 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2161.0607 apparently- and if I do the math, 2163.2278 2078 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2163.2278 (pause 0.25) 2163.4749 2079 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2163.4749 I wanna say /RD-NAME-2/ was conceived 2165.1629 2080 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2165.1629 (pause 1.41) 2166.5711 2081 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2166.5711 the following year. 2167.3172 2082 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2167.3172 (pause 0.31) 2167.6238 2083 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2167.6238 So 2167.9968 2084 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2167.9968 (pause 0.21) 2168.2113 2085 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2168.2113 April I think is when they met? 2169.3024 2086 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2169.3024 (pause 0.51) 2169.8107 2087 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2169.8107 And /RD-NAME-2/ was conceived the 2171.0743 2088 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2171.0743 (pause 0.12) 2171.1956 2089 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2171.1956 next January- 2171.9696 2090 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2171.9696 (pause 0.14) 2172.1095 2091 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2172.1095 not January. Uh, /this/ 2173.2472 2092 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2173.2472 (pause 0.77) 2174.0155 2093 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2174.0155 September, October 2174.8967 2094 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2174.8967 (pause 0.44) 2175.3397 2095 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2175.3397 um, 2175.6195 2096 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2175.6195 (pause 0.21) 2175.8293 2097 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2175.8293 ish of that year. 2176.6127 2098 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2176.6127 (pause 0.34) 2176.9484 2099 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2176.9484 So Robert was born 2178.0022 2100 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2178.0022 (pause 0.57) 2178.5758 2101 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2178.5758 following year over. 2179.4198 2102 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2179.4198 (pause 0.57) 2179.9921 2103 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2179.9921 So 2180.5190 2104 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2180.5190 (pause 1.46) 2181.9832 2105 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2181.9832 that- that's what I know from what he told me, from- well 2184.4452 2106 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2184.4452 (pause 0.20) 2184.6457 2107 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2184.6457 /mixing/ together what my mother [told] me. [Um-] 2186.8268 2108 DCB_int_01 2185.8523 [Mother.] 2186.1647 2109 DCB_int_01 2186.1647 (pause 0.21) 2186.3698 2110 DCB_int_01 2186.3698 [Getting both] [pieces, mm-hm.] 2187.6475 2111 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2187.0646 [Yes, but when] I was a child, like the story ended 2189.2702 2112 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2189.5639 with the- 2190.0908 2113 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2190.0908 (pause 0.39) 2190.4825 2114 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2190.4825 and I mean, it's cause we're so little, we don't realize- Well obviously, 2192.9760 2115 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2192.9760 (pause 0.25) 2193.2231 2116 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2193.2231 something had to happen in between. 2194.6313 2117 DCB_int_01 2194.9251 Right. 2195.2515 2118 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2195.2841 Got off the bus, 2196.1748 2119 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2196.1748 (pause 0.19) 2196.3613 2120 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2196.3613 the woman he was gonna marry, 2197.5830 2121 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2197.5830 (pause 0.84) 2198.4258 2122 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2198.4258 story ends! He- he gets his bride 2200.4355 2123 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2200.4355 (pause 0.37) 2200.8039 2124 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2200.8039 is /[way] it end/. We're fine with that of course, 2202.8043 2125 DCB_int_01 2200.9624 [/Hm/.] 2201.3168 2126 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2203.4151 so. 2203.8161 2127 DCB_int_01 2204.1926 And did y'all live- 2205.0506 2128 DCB_int_01 2205.0506 (pause 0.25) 2205.3024 2129 DCB_int_01 2205.3024 As far as you can remember, or what you've been told, did- 2207.4567 2130 DCB_int_01 2207.4567 (pause 0.17) 2207.6245 2131 DCB_int_01 2207.6245 did y'all live with y'alls grandmother for awhile? 2209.3579 2132 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2209.3731 Mm-hm. We lived with my grandmother um, 2211.2138 2133 DCB_int_01 2211.3117 For a [long time.] 2212.0625 2134 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2211.5076 [until I was] five 2212.6174 2135 DCB_int_01 2213.0557 [Okay.] 2213.3681 2136 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2213.1629 [Um], 2213.5126 2137 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2213.9789 at least. 2214.5525 2138 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2214.5525 (pause 0.26) 2214.8089 2139 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2214.8089 And then we moved into that apartment I was telling you about. 2216.8734 2140 DCB_int_01 2216.8921 And by then, 2217.8526 2141 DCB_int_01 2217.8526 (pause 0.38) 2218.2350 2142 DCB_int_01 2218.2350 it was 2218.6826 2143 DCB_int_01 2218.6826 (pause 0.40) 2219.0790 2144 DCB_int_01 2219.0790 three, not- It wasn't- Other- Your 2220.7809 2145 DCB_int_01 2220.7809 (pause 0.28) 2221.0560 2146 DCB_int_01 2221.0560 youngest brother hadn't been born yet. 2222.5004 2147 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2224.1697 D- /RD-NAME-2/. 2224.7199 2148 DCB_int_01 2224.8691 /RD-NAME-2/ [hadn't.] 2225.7691 2149 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2225.3308 [Yes], /RD-NAME-2/ was born in Virginia, [in Alexandria], [Virginia.] 2228.0759 2150 DCB_int_01 2227.0514 [Okay.] 2227.4244 2151 DCB_int_01 2227.4244 (pause 0.43) 2227.8523 2152 DCB_int_01 2227.8523 [Right.] Okay, [so] 2228.7475 2153 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2228.3885 [Mm-hm.] 2228.7522 2154 DCB_int_01 2228.9014 but the other f- 2229.4936 2155 DCB_int_01 2229.4936 (pause 0.32) 2229.8107 2156 DCB_int_01 2229.8107 the others of you are already born, so [it was] 2231.3401 2157 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2231.0743 [All of- 2231.5266 2158 DCB_int_01 2231.4753 [all of the-] 2232.1328 2159 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2231.8530 [All four] of [us.] 2232.6690 2160 DCB_int_01 2232.3706 [It was] the grandkids, 2233.5783 2161 DCB_int_01 2234.1647 your mom and dad, 2235.1252 2162 DCB_int_01 2235.1252 (pause 0.43) 2235.5542 2163 DCB_int_01 2235.5542 your grandma- 2236.2350 2164 DCB_int_01 2236.2350 (pause 0.17) 2236.4075 2165 DCB_int_01 2236.4075 who else lived there? 2237.0603 2166 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2237.6945 My 2238.4312 2167 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2238.4312 (pause 0.41) 2238.8416 2168 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2238.8416 brother- my dad's brothers. 2239.9875 2169 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2239.9875 (pause 0.12) 2240.1040 2170 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2240.1040 So my uncles, Uncle /RD-NAME-2/, 2241.6381 2171 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2241.6381 (pause 0.26) 2241.8993 2172 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2241.8993 [Uncle /RD-NAME-2/-] 2242.6743 2173 DCB_int_01 2241.9785 [So y'all had a house] full. 2243.1536 2174 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2243.3774 A house full. 2244.0582 2175 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2244.0582 (pause 0.17) 2244.2261 2176 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2244.2261 Litera- Cause /uh/, my grandmother lived in a 2245.8208 2177 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2245.8208 (pause 0.22) 2246.0434 2178 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2246.0434 big house, like a- She lived in the- And it's so weird in DC cause the one that conjoins 2251.0514 2179 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2251.0514 (pause 0.39) 2251.4384 2180 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2251.4384 the townhouses- the biggest townhouse. 2252.9853 2181 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2252.9853 (pause 0.72) 2253.7081 2182 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2253.7081 So if I had to explain, like you turn into Reynold's Place, 2256.5385 2183 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2256.5385 (pause 0.61) 2257.1493 2184 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2257.1493 and then 2257.7275 2185 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2257.7275 (pause 0.38) 2258.1087 2186 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2258.1087 it 2258.3652 2187 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2258.3652 (pause 0.18) 2258.5424 2188 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2258.5424 is like a- 2259.2651 2189 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2259.2651 (pause 2.08) 2261.3494 2190 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2261.3494 like a- 2261.7458 2191 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2261.7458 (pause 0.19) 2261.9370 2192 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2261.9370 How do I explain? Like, it comes like this. 2263.8010 2193 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2263.8010 (pause 0.91) 2264.7102 2194 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2264.7102 So it 2265.1672 2195 DCB_int_01 2265.3304 Kind of [like an 'L', 'V', 'L'], 2267.2935 2196 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2265.4936 [h- like a 'L'. Like a- a s- a-] 2267.3028 2197 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2267.5033 [Yeah, like a] slanted ['L'.] 2268.9488 2198 DCB_int_01 2267.5126 kind of thing? 2268.1421 2199 DCB_int_01 2268.1421 (pause 0.40) 2268.5431 2200 DCB_int_01 2268.5431 [And so the one] that's in [the middle right there-] 2270.2066 2201 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2269.4139 [The one in the middle right] here is the one that my grandmother lived in, so this is the three level one that's the biggest house. And there was 2274.8369 2202 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2274.9488 uh- like- 2275.3918 2203 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2275.3918 (pause 0.72) 2276.1087 2204 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2276.1087 eight or ten rooms in that house. 2277.6428 2205 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2277.6428 (pause 0.60) 2278.2449 2206 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2278.2449 So, three levels. Yeah, it was a really big house. 2280.4924 2207 DCB_int_01 2280.7769 Oh, okay. So [it didn't] feel cramped. It didn't feel like- 2283.4522 2208 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2281.1487 [And-] 2281.4192 2209 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2283.4662 No, it didn't, but when I look at it now, I know we were cramped, [but I didn't-] 2286.6743 2210 DCB_int_01 2286.1101 [Yeah, cause you're] telling me all these people are in this one house. 2288.7947 2211 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2288.7388 Cause I remember that my- my cousins lived there at a point in time. My Uncle /RD-NAME-2/'s 2292.4225 2212 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2292.7116 daughter, /RD-NAME-3/ 2293.7827 2213 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2293.7827 (pause 0.21) 2293.9881 2214 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2293.9881 and um, 2294.8227 2215 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2294.8227 (pause 0.61) 2295.4336 2216 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2295.4336 /RD-NAME-2/ lived with us. 2296.4594 2217 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2296.4594 (pause 0.36) 2296.8184 2218 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2296.8184 And I remember all of us slept in one bed, one really big bed. 2300.2026 2219 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2300.2026 (pause 0.50) 2300.7062 2220 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2300.7062 And I remember, 2301.8159 2221 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2301.8159 (pause 0.30) 2302.1190 2222 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2302.1190 because of course, it's time to go to bed, but we're packed like sardines so why are we going to bed? There- We're little. 2306.4217 2223 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2306.4217 (pause 0.41) 2306.8321 2224 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2306.8321 Um, and every night, 2307.6387 2225 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2307.6387 (pause 0.23) 2307.8719 2226 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2307.8719 my dad would, go to bed! 2308.8045 2227 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2308.8045 (pause 0.28) 2309.0796 2228 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2309.0796 Go to bed! and he would come in there and spank all of us. 2310.8188 2229 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2310.8188 (pause 0.40) 2311.2187 2230 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2311.2187 Um, and I'm saying spank cause it's what- We're in Virginia now, but he would whoop all of us. 2315.0376 2231 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2315.0376 (pause 0.43) 2315.4666 2232 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2315.4666 Um, 2315.7557 2233 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2315.7557 (pause 0.56) 2316.3152 2234 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2316.3152 it's time to go to bed. 2317.0100 2235 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2317.0100 (pause 0.62) 2317.6290 2236 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2317.6290 So, 2318.1140 2237 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2318.1140 (pause 0.62) 2318.7341 2238 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2318.7341 and I also remember that when we- And my mom's amazed that I remember, cause I remember little things from when I was like 2323.8668 2239 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2323.8668 (pause 0.70) 2324.5709 2240 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2324.5709 one, two and three, 2325.3636 2241 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2325.3636 (pause 0.32) 2325.6807 2242 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2325.6807 when it was just me and /RD-NAME-2/. 2326.7765 2243 DCB_int_01 2327.2661 [Hm.] 2327.4666 2244 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2327.3873 [Um], and she's telling me you know, /RD-NAME-3/ was there as well, but he didn't live with us. 2330.4777 2245 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2330.8507 And I remember Mom and Dad had this little toddler bed, like tiny tiny toddler bed, and we slept right beside them in the bed. 2336.5150 2246 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2336.5150 (pause 0.94) 2337.4522 2247 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2337.4522 And I tell her like- And she's like, I can't 2339.1029 2248 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2339.1029 (pause 0.12) 2339.2241 2249 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2339.2241 believe you remember that. But I remember that we slept [right] beside them 2341.5043 2250 DCB_int_01 2340.8969 [Hm.] 2341.0928 2251 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2341.6290 in my grandmother's house. And we were in the room over from my grandmother. 2344.0724 2252 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2344.0724 (pause 1.41) 2345.4852 2253 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2345.4852 And then my uncles lived on the third floor 2347.3038 2254 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2347.3038 (pause 0.23) 2347.5311 2255 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2347.5311 with 2347.8528 2256 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2347.8528 (pause 0.48) 2348.3378 2257 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2348.3378 their children 2348.8134 2258 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2348.8134 (pause 0.15) 2348.9626 2259 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2348.9626 basically. 2349.4149 2260 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2349.4149 (pause 0.54) 2349.9558 2261 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2349.9558 Um, and then throughout the years, interchanging, in and out. 2352.6650 2262 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2352.6650 (pause 0.48) 2353.1452 2263 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2353.1452 Um, 2353.5462 2264 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2353.5462 (pause 0.33) 2353.8762 2265 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2353.8762 and when we lived in the- 2355.0372 2266 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2355.0372 (pause 0.30) 2355.3356 2267 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2355.3356 the high rise, we lived with my mother's 2356.9956 2268 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2356.9956 (pause 0.27) 2357.2614 2269 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2357.2614 family. My cousin /RD-NAME-1/, and I think my cousin /RD-NAME-2/ may have lived there at one point in time. 2360.6362 2270 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2360.6362 (pause 0.83) 2361.4615 2271 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2361.4615 Um, 2361.8999 2272 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2361.8999 (pause 0.90) 2362.7951 2273 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2362.7951 and then we- 2363.4759 2274 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2363.4759 (pause 0.30) 2363.7790 2275 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2363.7790 we lived with people, I wanna say until 2366.4590 2276 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2366.4590 (pause 2.70) 2369.1635 2277 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2369.1635 two thousand and- literally, until /RD-NAME-2/ was born, so until two thousand and- 2373.3403 2278 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2373.3403 (pause 1.12) 2374.4594 2279 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2374.4594 early two thousand, two thousand one, we lived with [people.] 2376.4924 2280 DCB_int_01 2376.3805 [And] what changed? 2377.1965 2281 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2378.4637 I think 2379.1351 2282 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2379.1351 (pause 2.31) 2381.4433 2283 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2381.4433 we moved to Virginia, and 2383.1639 2284 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2383.1639 (pause 0.61) 2383.7736 2285 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2383.7736 my um, 2384.6082 2286 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2384.6082 (pause 0.30) 2384.9113 2287 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2384.9113 mom I guess probably just got tired of living with people. 2387.0842 2288 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2387.0842 (pause 0.30) 2387.3827 2289 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2387.3827 Um, of course, you know, you're family but 2389.4390 2290 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2389.4390 (pause 1.42) 2390.8554 2291 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2390.8554 and you can deal with family 2391.8299 2292 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2391.8299 (pause 0.11) 2391.9372 2293 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2391.9372 for [so long, basically.] Um, 2393.7743 2294 DCB_int_01 2392.1377 [/So long/. Mm, yes.] 2393.4200 2295 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2394.3619 and my father's always wanted his own- Like he grew up in a cramped home, and I don't know if he went into details about 2399.3547 2296 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2399.3547 (pause 0.27) 2399.6251 2297 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2399.6251 him being in a foster home or anything. Did he tell you [about any of that?] Okay. 2402.1792 2298 DCB_int_01 2401.2746 [Mm-hm.] 2401.6943 2299 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2402.5849 So 2403.1445 2300 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2403.1445 (pause 0.54) 2403.6807 2301 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2403.6807 you want your own 2404.4128 2302 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2404.4128 (pause 0.15) 2404.5620 2303 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2404.5620 eventually. Like, [you] constantly having to share ten brothers and sisters. Like, you have to share everything. 2409.5968 2304 DCB_int_01 2405.3593 [Right.] 2405.6531 2305 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2410.0677 And he didn't want us to do that. 2410.9537 2306 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2410.9537 (pause 0.63) 2411.5832 2307 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2411.5832 So they found a townhouse. So we moved to- We- That's the first house- We lived in a townhouse on /??/ Place. 2416.4035 2308 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2416.4035 (pause 0.50) 2416.9024 2309 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2416.9024 Um, 2417.3500 2310 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2417.3500 (pause 0.26) 2417.6111 2311 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2417.6111 and 2418.1754 2312 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2418.1754 (pause 0.80) 2418.9774 2313 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2418.9774 I mean it was small. 2419.8528 2314 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2419.8528 (pause 0.39) 2420.2445 2315 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2420.2445 My brothers had to share a room, 2421.3496 2316 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2421.3496 (pause 0.27) 2421.6154 2317 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2421.6154 but 2422.0677 2318 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2422.0677 (pause 0.66) 2422.7252 2319 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2422.7252 it was our own, I guess you could say so. 2424.4691 2320 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2424.4691 (pause 1.17) 2425.6384 2321 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2425.6384 But I don't- I did- I don't really know exactly why, but I'm assuming that's why that they 2429.6018 2322 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2429.6018 (pause 0.42) 2430.0215 2323 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2430.0215 finally- And I mean my dad had 2431.6663 2324 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2431.6663 (pause 0.41) 2432.0767 2325 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2432.0767 been making 2432.7621 2326 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2432.7621 (pause 0.98) 2433.7413 2327 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2433.7413 enough- I guess once, like, there was a point in time- Cause my mom said my dad wasn't making a lot of money. Like he was making minimum wage when he started out as a plumber. 2439.5501 2328 DCB_int_01 2440.0631 [Hm.] 2440.3288 2329 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2440.0770 [And there] was a 2440.5293 2330 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2440.7811 point in time when it shifted, and then he started making a lot more money than he was making. 2444.3331 2331 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2444.3331 (pause 0.66) 2444.9906 2332 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2444.9906 Um, 2445.3776 2333 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2445.3776 (pause 0.15) 2445.5315 2334 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2445.5315 so he went from making like seven dollars an hour to jumping to about like fourteen, fifteen dollars an hour, 2449.8622 2335 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2449.8622 (pause 0.47) 2450.3331 2336 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2450.3331 you know, and eventually coming to the point now where he's making over thirty something dollars an hour. 2454.1101 2337 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2454.1101 (pause 0.55) 2454.6638 2338 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2454.6638 So 2455.2094 2339 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2455.2094 (pause 0.37) 2455.5777 2340 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2455.5777 I don't know when it shift, but I'm assuming that probably coincided with them being able to 2460.2593 2341 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2460.2593 (pause 0.16) 2460.4225 2342 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2460.4225 move to Virginia cause Virginia's more expensive than living in DC of course. 2463.2983 2343 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2463.2983 (pause 0.39) 2463.6900 2344 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2463.6900 Um- Well at that time it was. Now 2465.1355 2345 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2465.1355 (pause 0.47) 2465.6018 2346 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2465.6018 it's 2465.7277 2347 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2465.7277 (pause 0.16) 2465.8863 2348 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2465.8863 reverse. 2466.2733 2349 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2466.2733 (pause 0.26) 2466.5344 2350 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2466.5344 But 2466.7069 2351 DCB_int_01 2467.5171 Right. 2467.7642 2352 DCB_int_01 2467.7642 (pause 0.15) 2467.9135 2353 DCB_int_01 2467.9135 [Now], DC, everybody's 2469.2610 2354 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2468.0160 [so.] 2468.2492 2355 DCB_int_01 2469.5082 being pushed out 2470.3242 2356 DCB_int_01 2470.3242 (pause 0.16) 2470.4827 2357 DCB_int_01 2470.4827 because it's so expensive. 2471.9002 2358 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2471.8956 Mm-hm. 2472.2873 2359 DCB_int_01 2472.5530 Um, 2473.1126 2360 DCB_int_01 2473.1126 (pause 0.57) 2473.6850 2361 DCB_int_01 2473.6850 do you feel like, 2474.6922 2362 DCB_int_01 2474.6922 (pause 0.77) 2475.4615 2363 DCB_int_01 2475.4615 kind of on the outside looking in, 2477.2801 2364 DCB_int_01 2477.2801 (pause 0.42) 2477.6997 2365 DCB_int_01 2477.6997 um- 2478.2919 2366 DCB_int_01 2478.2919 (pause 0.48) 2478.7675 2367 DCB_int_01 2478.7675 continuing to go back. Do you go into DC for any other reason? Like do you just go in, like, to hang out with your friends, 2483.4433 2368 DCB_int_01 2483.4433 (pause 0.66) 2484.1054 2369 DCB_int_01 2484.1054 um, or is it- Are you mostly like 2486.1653 2370 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2486.6968 [Um], 2487.1165 2371 DCB_int_01 2486.8740 [Northern] Virginia kind of girl? 2488.0864 2372 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2489.0236 I go- I say in the course of a year, maybe three to four times a year. 2492.4963 2373 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2492.4963 (pause 0.34) 2492.8367 2374 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2492.8367 Um, and that could be just going to the /waff/, 2494.6599 2375 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2494.6599 (pause 0.39) 2495.0469 2376 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2495.0469 um, 2495.5179 2377 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2495.5179 (pause 0.17) 2495.6904 2378 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2495.6904 going to 2496.7069 2379 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2496.7069 (pause 0.42) 2497.1266 2380 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2497.1266 um, 2497.5462 2381 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2497.5462 (pause 0.33) 2497.8808 2382 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2497.8808 just 2498.2958 2383 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2498.2958 (pause 0.29) 2498.5849 2384 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2498.5849 walk around. 2499.3123 2385 DCB_int_01 2499.8626 [Hm.] 2500.0537 2386 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2499.8719 [Uh], walking down, uh, where 2501.7743 2387 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2502.0168 um- 2502.3805 2388 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2502.3805 (pause 1.23) 2503.6104 2389 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2503.6104 What is that road? 2504.3005 2390 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2504.3005 (pause 0.63) 2504.9300 2391 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2504.9300 Uh, Pennsylvania Avenue down 2506.2729 2392 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2506.2729 (pause 0.12) 2506.3895 2393 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2506.3895 where the President's house is, 2507.7091 2394 DCB_int_01 2507.9096 Mm. 2508.0868 2395 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2508.0728 down just looking at like, the shops and everything. 2510.0720 2396 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2510.6595 Um, 2511.1724 2397 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2511.1724 (pause 0.16) 2511.3310 2398 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2511.3310 we could go visit a family member. Actually, including visiting family members, probably like seven or eight times over the course of the year. 2516.3611 2399 DCB_int_01 2516.3984 You- So you still have a [lot of] family live in DC. 2517.9185 2400 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2516.7574 [Um]- 2516.9253 2401 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2518.2542 Yes, there's only 2519.3733 2402 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2519.3733 (pause 0.35) 2519.7277 2403 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2519.7277 three family members that actually live in 2521.0333 2404 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2521.0333 (pause 1.15) 2522.1792 2405 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2522.1792 uh, Virginia now. All of our family still lives in DC. 2524.2915 2406 DCB_int_01 2524.7998 Oh, what [part?] They still live in Southeast? 2526.5064 2407 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2525.0842 [Um-] 2525.2941 2408 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2526.6976 Mm-hm. 2527.0240 2409 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2527.0240 (pause 0.49) 2527.5125 2410 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2527.5125 [Um, my f-] my father's family does. 2529.4755 2411 DCB_int_01 2527.7503 [Mm!] 2528.2212 2412 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2529.6387 Um, 2530.0024 2413 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2530.0024 (pause 0.43) 2530.4361 2414 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2530.4361 all of his brothers actually. The only brother of his that does not live in Southeast DC anymore is my Uncle /RD-NAME-2/. 2535.3963 2415 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2535.3963 (pause 0.58) 2535.9791 2416 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2535.9791 Um, and I don't know if he told you, the oldest three have different father. 2539.1546 2417 DCB_int_01 2539.9834 [Mm-hm.] 2540.2492 2418 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2540.1559 [So], Uncle /RD-NAME-2/, Aunt /RD-NAME-2/, and Uncle /RD-NAME-3/, all have different 2543.6718 2419 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2543.9562 fathers. 2544.4738 2420 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2544.4738 (pause 0.19) 2544.6650 2421 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2544.6650 They're /RD-NAME-2/, 2545.2432 2422 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2545.2432 (pause 0.56) 2545.8062 2423 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2545.8062 and 2546.3798 2424 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2546.3798 (pause 0.61) 2546.9859 2425 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2546.9859 my Uncle /RD-NAME-2/ and- 2548.3428 2426 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2548.3428 (pause 0.16) 2548.5014 2427 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2548.5014 Well actually all three of them live in Maryland. 2549.8863 2428 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2549.8863 (pause 0.18) 2550.0681 2429 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2550.0681 /Now that I think/- all three of them. 2551.0613 2430 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2551.0613 (pause 0.26) 2551.3259 2431 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2551.3259 Um, and it's cause of the g- age gap. Like there's a twenty year age gap, 2554.3661 2432 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2554.3661 (pause 0.63) 2554.9956 2433 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2554.9956 so my [dad-] 2555.6671 2434 DCB_int_01 2555.3547 [Oh], between the first three and the 2556.7862 2435 DCB_int_01 2556.9121 [next set.] 2557.6331 2436 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2557.1208 [The next] set. 2557.9461 2437 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2558.1093 Mm-hm. 2558.4544 2438 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2558.4544 (pause 0.29) 2558.7435 2439 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2558.7435 Um, 2559.1538 2440 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2559.1538 (pause 0.15) 2559.3030 2441 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2559.3030 so they were able you know- they weren't caught up, you know, in the foster homes. 2562.8561 2442 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2562.8561 (pause 0.84) 2563.6943 2443 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2563.6943 My grandmother going through I guess like a- seriously, like a mid life crisis, what she went through. 2567.8583 2444 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2567.8583 (pause 0.88) 2568.7396 2445 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2568.7396 Sorry. 2569.0147 2446 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2569.0147 (pause 0.24) 2569.2560 2447 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2569.2560 Um, so 2570.0767 2448 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2570.0767 (pause 1.15) 2571.2284 2449 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2571.2284 they were able to- You know, my Uncle /RD-NAME-2/ joined the military. 2574.0681 2450 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2574.0681 (pause 0.28) 2574.3479 2451 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2574.3479 My Aunt /RD-NAME-2/, 2575.2432 2452 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2575.2432 (pause 0.95) 2576.1932 2453 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2576.1932 I wanna say started working for the US postal /sarv-/ service. 2579.5505 2454 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2579.5505 (pause 0.21) 2579.7557 2455 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2579.7557 And I don't know what my Uncle /RD-NAME-3/ does, and I was actually having a conversation with my parents about it. Like, I don't really remember my Uncle /RD-NAME-3/ growing up 2585.3407 2456 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2585.3407 (pause 0.17) 2585.5086 2457 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2585.5086 a lot. Like I know he was there, 2586.9028 2458 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2586.9028 (pause 0.57) 2587.4705 2459 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2587.4705 um, and I saw him because my- my f- father's brother just passed a couple months ago. 2591.2521 2460 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2591.2521 (pause 0.72) 2591.9748 2461 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2591.9748 Um, and he was at the funeral, and I was talking to /RD-NAME-2/ about it, 2594.3214 2462 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2594.3214 (pause 0.21) 2594.5336 2463 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2594.5336 and I'm like, I don't- 2595.0652 2464 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2595.0652 (pause 1.73) 2596.7998 2465 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2596.7998 I 2596.9397 2466 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2596.9397 (pause 0.20) 2597.1402 2467 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2597.1402 couldn't tell you anything about Uncle /RD-NAME-3/. Like, I honestly don't remember him 2599.9414 2468 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2599.9414 (pause 0.15) 2600.0907 2469 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2600.0907 growing up. 2600.4730 2470 DCB_int_01 2600.7714 Mm-hm. 2601.0932 2471 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2601.0792 And I told him that my extent of remembering is that he's over seven feet tall. 2604.0401 2472 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2604.6277 And it was just a tall uncle. 2605.6209 2473 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2605.6209 (pause 0.18) 2605.7969 2474 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2605.7969 That's all. 2606.1699 2475 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2606.1699 (pause 0.17) 2606.3424 2476 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2606.3424 Tall uncle. 2606.8041 2477 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2606.8041 (pause 0.58) 2607.3869 2478 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2607.3869 So, uh, but he was never really there growing up. 2609.1915 2479 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2609.1915 (pause 1.18) 2610.3665 2480 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2610.3665 And I don't know if it's cause he felt a- a difference between- 2613.0838 2481 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2613.0838 (pause 0.39) 2613.4755 2482 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2613.4755 You know, we're big on, we're /RD-NAME-1/. 2614.8464 2483 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2614.8464 (pause 0.17) 2615.0143 2484 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2615.0143 And like you always hear- it's like, we'll never /defny/ the fact that we're /RD-NAME-1/. 2617.5369 2485 DCB_int_01 2617.8435 Hm. 2618.1513 2486 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2618.1419 He's /RD-NAME-2/. 2618.7341 2487 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2619.3776 Um, 2619.8113 2488 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2619.8113 (pause 0.11) 2619.9232 2489 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2619.9232 [and-] 2620.5107 2490 DCB_int_01 2620.0864 [That changes] it. 2620.7718 2491 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2621.1402 Yeah. 2621.3733 2492 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2621.3733 (pause 0.38) 2621.7557 2493 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2621.7557 [So I] think 2622.7862 2494 DCB_int_01 2622.1147 [Hm.] 2622.3152 2495 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2622.9028 he felt like they were treated differently 2624.8647 2496 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2624.8647 (pause 0.48) 2625.3403 2497 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2625.3403 by 2625.8439 2498 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2625.8439 (pause 0.21) 2626.0537 2499 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2626.0537 my biological 2626.9910 2500 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2626.9910 (pause 0.20) 2627.1915 2501 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2627.1915 grandfather, 2627.6857 2502 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2627.6857 (pause 0.35) 2628.0355 2503 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2628.0355 who passed before I was born, so I couldn't tell you anything about the man cause I don't remember him. 2631.0745 2504 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2631.0745 (pause 0.63) 2631.7087 2505 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2631.7087 But 2632.0164 2506 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2632.0164 (pause 0.79) 2632.8091 2507 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2632.8091 you know there was that shift 2633.8350 2508 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2633.8350 (pause 0.25) 2634.0821 2509 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2634.0821 of, 2634.5484 2510 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2634.5484 (pause 0.35) 2634.9028 2511 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2634.9028 these are /RD-NAME-1/. These are /RD-NAME-2/, 2636.4730 2512 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2636.4730 (pause 0.51) 2636.9859 2513 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2636.9859 type thing. 2637.4056 2514 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2637.4056 (pause 0.42) 2637.8299 2515 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2637.8299 Um, but going back to what- what you were saying of course, um, 2640.2360 2516 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2640.2360 (pause 0.14) 2640.3712 2517 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2640.3712 visiting DC. Um, you know we go over to 2643.1724 2518 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2643.1724 (pause 0.50) 2643.6714 2519 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2643.6714 one of my um, 2644.5387 2520 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2644.5387 (pause 0.27) 2644.8091 2521 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2644.8091 cousins lived off of Benning Road, my mother's family. 2647.3504 2522 DCB_int_01 2647.8575 [Hm.] 2648.1233 2523 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2647.8762 [Um], 2648.2539 2524 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2649.6201 and then my uncles, you know, they're- they're 2651.3640 2525 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2651.3640 (pause 0.24) 2651.6065 2526 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2651.6065 in and out of 2652.2873 2527 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2652.2873 (pause 0.16) 2652.4458 2528 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2652.4458 where they're 2652.8095 2529 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2652.8095 (pause 0.15) 2652.9576 2530 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2652.9576 living. You know, drugs and everything. And then my father had a- a- 2655.7506 2531 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2655.7506 (pause 1.10) 2656.8511 2532 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2656.8511 a brother- We believe was a brother, my Uncle um, 2659.3318 2533 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2659.3318 (pause 1.13) 2660.4590 2534 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2660.4590 /RD-NAME-2/. Uh, we- we didn't know it wasn't his brother. 2662.8278 2535 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2662.8278 (pause 0.27) 2663.0936 2536 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2663.0936 Um, 2663.4666 2537 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2663.4666 (pause 0.92) 2664.3852 2538 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2664.3852 [So we would] go to visit 2665.6710 2539 DCB_int_01 2664.4831 [Oh, okay.] 2665.1406 2540 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2665.8202 him 2666.1839 2541 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2666.1839 (pause 0.12) 2666.3005 2542 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2666.3005 of course, um, until he passed. 2667.6760 2543 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2667.6760 (pause 0.51) 2668.1890 2544 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2668.1890 But- 2668.5107 2545 DCB_int_01 2669.1029 And that's the one who just passed recently. 2670.4691 2546 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2670.4738 F- no. My Uncle /RD-NAME-2/ just passed [recently. Um-] 2672.8181 2547 DCB_int_01 2671.7969 [Oh, okay. Okay.] 2672.5383 2548 DCB_int_01 2673.0605 I remember your dad was talking, but I didn't know who. 2674.5154 2549 DCB_int_01 2674.5154 (pause 0.19) 2674.7019 2550 DCB_int_01 2674.7019 He didn't say names. 2675.5878 2551 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2675.7091 Oh, okay. 2676.1147 2552 DCB_int_01 2676.1614 Mm-hm. 2676.4738 2553 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2676.4691 Um, but he- he passed some years back. 2678.5336 2554 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2678.7994 But um, definitely in and out to see family over the course of the year. Um, I say probably no more than ten times a year, 2684.1606 2555 DCB_int_01 2684.2445 Mm-hm. 2684.5709 2556 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2684.6828 but definitely at least seven, 2685.6807 2557 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2685.6807 (pause 0.16) 2685.8392 2558 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2685.8392 eight times a year, going to go visit family. 2687.5972 2559 DCB_int_01 2688.2220 If you could- 2688.7349 2560 DCB_int_01 2688.7349 (pause 1.00) 2689.7363 2561 DCB_int_01 2689.7363 Do you think you'll ever like, go back? Or you- 2692.0397 2562 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2692.0584 I want to move back to DC. 2693.2568 2563 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2693.2568 (pause 0.45) 2693.7044 2564 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2693.7044 Um, 2694.1427 2565 DCB_int_01 2694.2546 [Oh really?] 2694.7349 2566 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2694.2593 [I don't-] 2694.7302 2567 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2694.9028 Yeah, I don't like living in Virginia. Like, this whole Virginia is for lovers is bull crap. 2698.2915 2568 DCB_int_01 2698.4781 [] 2700.4132 2569 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2698.5620 Um, [especially since I'm homosexual.] Like, it's- No. Like, 2702.3518 2570 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2702.6455 I'm like- That's where I'm accepted for who I am. 2704.5014 2571 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2704.5014 (pause 0.55) 2705.0563 2572 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2705.0563 Um, 2705.4386 2573 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2705.4386 (pause 0.64) 2706.0774 2574 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2706.0774 and it depends on where y- where you're going on where you'll 2708.4963 2575 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2708.4963 (pause 0.14) 2708.6315 2576 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2708.6315 be 2708.8542 2577 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2708.8542 (pause 0.16) 2709.0139 2578 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2709.0139 accepted. 2709.5362 2579 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2709.5362 (pause 0.18) 2709.7180 2580 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2709.7180 Um, and that's part of the identity crisis as well, which I wrote in the paper. 2712.5530 2581 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2712.5530 (pause 0.37) 2712.9261 2582 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2712.9261 Um, cause I didn't tell my parents until I was in high school, 2715.0978 2583 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2715.0978 (pause 0.55) 2715.6434 2584 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2715.6434 um, whereas I knew 2716.7345 2585 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2716.7345 (pause 0.43) 2717.1682 2586 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2717.1682 at a early age. 2717.8396 2587 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2717.8396 (pause 0.62) 2718.4551 2588 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2718.4551 But um, 2719.1312 2589 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2719.1312 (pause 0.61) 2719.7456 2590 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2719.7456 I guess, overall um, 2721.4849 2591 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2721.4849 (pause 0.48) 2721.9605 2592 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2721.9605 I- I- 2722.3661 2593 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2722.3661 (pause 0.69) 2723.0516 2594 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2723.0516 That- I feel like that's home 2724.1800 2595 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2724.1800 (pause 0.12) 2724.2966 2596 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2724.2966 even though I was only there until I was eight, actually living there. 2726.6922 2597 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2726.6922 (pause 0.28) 2726.9719 2598 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2726.9719 We- Even though we moved out- We were still there, and this is 2729.6484 2599 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2729.6484 (pause 0.22) 2729.8676 2600 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2729.8676 currently how often we go. 2731.0753 2601 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2731.0753 (pause 0.47) 2731.5498 2602 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2731.5498 We were 2732.0673 2603 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2732.0673 (pause 0.68) 2732.7435 2604 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2732.7435 in DC every weekend 2733.9092 2605 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2733.9092 (pause 0.48) 2734.3895 2606 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2734.3895 after we moved. Like, literally co- Like it was like we never moved from there, you know. 2737.4297 2607 DCB_int_01 2737.5043 Right. 2737.7827 2608 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2738.7062 So, 2739.1631 2609 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2739.1631 (pause 0.21) 2739.3683 2610 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2739.3683 and I- I don't wanna move to Southeast. I wanna move to Northwest, DC. 2742.0914 2611 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2742.0914 (pause 0.31) 2742.3992 2612 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2742.3992 It's where I would prefer to live at. 2743.6255 2613 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2743.6255 (pause 0.16) 2743.7829 2614 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2743.7829 Um, there's so much opportunity there, you know. 2745.5828 2615 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2745.5828 (pause 0.42) 2746.0024 2616 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2746.0024 I like that 2746.6319 2617 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2746.6319 (pause 0.23) 2746.8604 2618 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2746.8604 in DC you can- There's a store on every corner. Like you don't have to 2749.6384 2619 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2749.6384 (pause 0.17) 2749.8062 2620 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2749.8062 have a car. 2750.4450 2621 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2750.4450 (pause 0.27) 2750.7108 2622 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2750.7108 Gas is expensive. You can walk 2751.9838 2623 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2751.9838 (pause 0.14) 2752.1237 2624 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2752.1237 wherever you have to go. 2752.7905 2625 DCB_int_01 2753.9748 Yeah. Oh, most definitely. [I'm-] I personally don't like public transportation, 2757.2004 2626 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2755.1161 [Mm-hm.] 2755.4332 2627 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2757.2471 2757.8672 2628 DCB_int_01 2757.9045 but 2758.1843 2629 DCB_int_01 2758.1843 (pause 0.21) 2758.3988 2630 DCB_int_01 2758.3988 it is- 2758.8371 2631 DCB_int_01 2758.8371 (pause 0.11) 2758.9443 2632 DCB_int_01 2758.9443 i- 2759.0609 2633 DCB_int_01 2759.0609 (pause 0.23) 2759.2941 2634 DCB_int_01 2759.2941 for DC, it makes the most sen- I live in Southern Maryland now, [so.] 2762.9275 2635 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2762.7435 [Mm-hm.] 2763.1678 2636 DCB_int_01 2763.2750 But DC, it makes the most sense. [Um, I] went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, so I know like 2767.1965 2637 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2764.9397 [Mm-hm.] 2765.2894 2638 DCB_int_01 2767.5824 I live- You know, I- 2768.4590 2639 DCB_int_01 2768.4590 (pause 0.39) 2768.8507 2640 DCB_int_01 2768.8507 Well I was in the bubble. I was mostly th- 2770.2776 2641 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2770.2682 [] 2770.7765 2642 DCB_int_01 2770.5340 [It's a] bubble. Trust, it's a bubble. 2772.0028 2643 DCB_int_01 2772.7302 And so coming back here as an adult is so different. Like my eyes are open. I'm [just like], 2777.1588 2644 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2776.5993 [Mm-hm.] 2777.0236 2645 DCB_int_01 2777.8863 this is nothing like you see on TV. 2779.5043 2646 DCB_int_01 2779.5043 (pause 1.19) 2780.6968 2647 DCB_int_01 2780.6968 And they make it very much like, oh, it's this great- 2783.3873 2648 DCB_int_01 2783.3873 (pause 0.15) 2783.5365 2649 DCB_int_01 2783.5365 I mean it's great. Those- 2784.6929 2650 DCB_int_01 2784.6929 (pause 0.31) 2785.0007 2651 DCB_int_01 2785.0007 But, 2785.3364 2652 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2785.5264 /That's ??/. 2786.4124 2653 DCB_int_01 2785.5358 [it's real life outside] of 2786.9067 2654 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2787.3077 [Yes.] 2787.9232 2655 DCB_int_01 2787.3170 [these] six streets. 2788.6319 2656 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2788.7252 Mm-hm. 2789.1961 2657 DCB_int_01 2789.5365 And 2790.0681 2658 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2790.6556 Yeah. 2790.8701 2659 DCB_int_01 2790.8701 it just blew my mind. 2791.6348 2660 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2791.8482 And it's interesting talking to people that- You know, that's the nation's capital. 2794.7858 2661 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2794.7858 (pause 0.36) 2795.1449 2662 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2795.1449 Um, 2795.5598 2663 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2795.5598 (pause 0.15) 2795.7091 2664 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2795.7091 and then being an investigator now, I get to speak with 2798.8507 2665 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2798.8507 (pause 0.12) 2798.9719 2666 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2798.9719 you know, twenty people over the course of a week. 2801.0236 2667 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2801.0236 (pause 0.10) 2801.1262 2668 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2801.1262 And you know, telling them that I'm from DC, 2802.5064 2669 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2802.5064 (pause 0.44) 2802.9447 2670 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2802.9447 and it's- Once they got into the government, they never expected it to be like that. 2806.2636 2671 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2806.2636 (pause 0.14) 2806.4035 2672 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2806.4035 You know, cause they're from like 2807.4106 2673 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2807.4106 (pause 0.51) 2807.9236 2674 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2807.9236 everywhere but 2808.4318 2675 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2808.4318 (pause 0.20) 2808.6323 2676 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2808.6323 [DC.] 2808.9587 2677 DCB_int_01 2808.7629 [DC.] Mm-hm. 2809.5509 2678 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2809.6943 And it's like, literally, you can go one street over 2812.5480 2679 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2812.5480 (pause 0.25) 2812.7951 2680 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2812.7951 and be killed. 2813.4573 2681 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2813.4573 (pause 0.83) 2814.2873 2682 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2814.2873 So- And it- it's- 2815.5183 2683 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2815.5183 (pause 0.51) 2816.0300 2684 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2816.0300 And I- I always tell /RD-NAME-1/, you know if you're not from there, 2818.4874 2685 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2818.4874 (pause 0.82) 2819.3034 2686 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2819.3034 don't go where you're not supposed to be going. Know where you're going, and go there and come back. 2822.7015 2687 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2822.7015 (pause 0.51) 2823.2097 2688 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2823.2097 Cause it's not safe, depending on where you go. 2825.0190 2689 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2825.0190 (pause 0.58) 2825.5972 2690 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2825.5972 Um, but 2826.2360 2691 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2826.2360 (pause 0.52) 2826.7582 2692 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2826.7582 I could see myself moving back to Southeast if- /We/ know, once they're done cause 2830.2682 2693 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2830.2682 (pause 0.35) 2830.6133 2694 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2830.6133 it's gentrification. Like they're- they're cleaning it all out. 2832.9121 2695 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2832.9121 (pause 0.34) 2833.2568 2696 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2833.2568 Um, I give them maybe ten more years before they 2835.6022 2697 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2835.6022 (pause 0.16) 2835.7607 2698 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2835.7607 clean it [all up.] 2836.4182 2699 DCB_int_01 2836.1618 [Maybe] not even that long, [/but/ it's coming quickly.] 2838.6284 2700 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2837.1550 [Yeah, and it's- They're taking- Yeah.] They're taking back the nation's capital. 2840.3759 2701 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2840.7862 Um, and it- /it's cause/ when my father was a child, you know there was- 2843.6819 2702 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2843.6819 (pause 0.19) 2843.8730 2703 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2843.8730 care free, no- Like, that was when DC began to boom, 2847.1173 2704 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2847.1173 (pause 0.33) 2847.4437 2705 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2847.4437 when he was a child. 2848.2923 2706 DCB_int_01 2848.4089 Mm-hm. 2848.8938 2707 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2848.9265 So it was safe. My grandmother 2850.5585 2708 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2850.5585 (pause 0.20) 2850.7625 2709 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2850.7625 worked at the Treasury, like 2851.8070 2710 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2851.8070 (pause 0.68) 2852.4878 2711 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2852.4878 everything was fine, 2853.0380 2712 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2853.0380 (pause 0.49) 2853.5323 2713 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2853.5323 so. 2853.8167 2714 DCB_int_01 2854.5441 And now it's just- it's so- 2856.0176 2715 DCB_int_01 2856.0176 (pause 0.73) 2856.7438 2716 DCB_int_01 2856.7438 Can you talk about what you see? Like how gentrification- how you feel like it's affecting- 2860.8379 2717 DCB_int_01 2860.8379 (pause 0.34) 2861.1783 2718 DCB_int_01 2861.1783 Do you think it's a good thing, a bad thing? 2862.9070 2719 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2863.4852 [Um-] 2863.8350 2720 DCB_int_01 2863.7091 [Cause] there's a very- You know, /variety of/ opinions. 2865.9799 2721 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2866.0079 And I think it depends, and I guess it- it- Cause I was actually speaking with someone about it, um, 2870.3246 2722 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2870.3246 (pause 0.28) 2870.6043 2723 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2870.6043 that- 2871.0193 2724 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2871.0193 (pause 0.28) 2871.2945 2725 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2871.2945 He's from DC as well, but none of his family lives there anymore, 2874.0316 2726 DCB_int_01 2874.1796 Mm. 2874.4827 2727 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2874.5387 whereas me, my family still lives in there, in these ghettos, in these projects. 2878.1011 2728 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2878.1011 (pause 0.57) 2878.6700 2729 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2878.6700 So it's directly and personally affecting them, 2881.0609 2730 DCB_int_01 2881.6111 Yeah. 2881.9096 2731 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2882.2220 but 2882.5717 2732 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2882.5717 (pause 1.73) 2884.3016 2733 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2884.3016 on the other side, I know that 2885.9150 2734 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2885.9150 (pause 0.44) 2886.3522 2735 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2886.3522 in those same projects, are where you have crack 2888.7302 2736 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2888.7302 (pause 0.36) 2889.0893 2737 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2889.0893 cocaine, 2889.6115 2738 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2889.6115 (pause 0.75) 2890.3576 2739 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2890.3576 where people are being killed every day. 2892.3999 2740 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2892.3999 (pause 0.65) 2893.0516 2741 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2893.0516 And I think that it's for the greater, 2895.1499 2742 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2895.1499 (pause 0.33) 2895.4763 2743 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2895.4763 however, I think in the same process, 2897.5280 2744 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2897.5280 (pause 1.07) 2898.5946 2745 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2898.5946 realize that these are real people that we're talking about 2900.9447 2746 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2900.9447 (pause 0.22) 2901.1686 2747 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2901.1686 [that you're-] you're literally 2902.4136 2748 DCB_int_01 2901.1732 [/Yeah/.] 2901.5323 2749 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2902.5581 putting out of their homes, and not giving them somewhere else to go. 2905.0423 2750 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2905.0423 (pause 1.23) 2906.2686 2751 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2906.2686 It's, we're gonna knock this down on this date. 2908.3203 2752 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2908.3203 (pause 1.11) 2909.4301 2753 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2909.4301 Be gone. 2909.8637 2754 DCB_int_01 2911.3780 Mm. 2911.5599 2755 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2911.6485 So people turn into the streets, 2913.3830 2756 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2913.3830 (pause 0.21) 2913.5975 2757 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2913.5975 /turning to life/, and I know my father probably didn't go into great detail. Like, one of my mother's sisters was a prostitute 2919.0007 2758 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2919.0007 (pause 0.93) 2919.9286 2759 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2919.9286 for over twenty years. 2921.0384 2760 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2921.0384 (pause 0.72) 2921.7611 2761 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2921.7611 And it's like you- you're pushing people back into that life because people don't know in Virginia there are still prostitutes walking around in DC. 2928.0502 2762 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2928.0502 (pause 0.13) 2928.1808 2763 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2928.1808 Everywhere. 2928.6331 2764 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2928.6331 (pause 1.24) 2929.8723 2765 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2929.8723 And it's cause 2930.4551 2766 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2930.4551 (pause 0.64) 2931.0986 2767 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2931.0986 they- they don't know. 2931.8214 2768 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2931.8214 (pause 0.29) 2932.1151 2769 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2932.1151 Sh! 2932.4788 2770 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2932.4788 (pause 0.68) 2933.1550 2771 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2933.1550 Um, 2933.6166 2772 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2933.6166 (pause 1.66) 2935.2801 2773 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2935.2801 yeah, they- they don't know, 2936.3619 2774 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2936.3619 (pause 0.34) 2936.6976 2775 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2936.6976 and 2937.1639 2776 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2937.1639 (pause 1.30) 2938.4648 2777 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2938.4648 you push people to that life, you know. You're pushing people back to the streets, back to selling drugs, 2942.4598 2778 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2942.4598 (pause 0.46) 2942.9214 2779 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2942.9214 back to selling themselves. 2944.0871 2780 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2944.0871 (pause 0.81) 2944.8938 2781 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2944.8938 Back to you know, even 2946.3253 2782 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2946.3253 (pause 0.54) 2946.8651 2783 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2946.8651 selling, 2947.3827 2784 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2947.3827 (pause 0.14) 2947.5272 2785 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2947.5272 you know, children 2948.4038 2786 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2948.4038 (pause 0.63) 2949.0380 2787 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2949.0380 you- [you-] 2949.6815 2788 DCB_int_01 2949.2478 [It's become-] Human trafficking [is] ridiculous. 2951.4580 2789 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2950.4742 [Yes.] 2950.8519 2790 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2951.7145 Yeah, and it's- that's my worry, 2953.2661 2791 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2953.2661 (pause 0.29) 2953.5552 2792 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2953.5552 I guess in the- in the long run. 2955.1313 2793 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2955.1313 (pause 0.15) 2955.2805 2794 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2955.2805 Um, so I guess I'm just- I'm- I'm caught in the middle 2957.5979 2795 DCB_int_01 2957.8824 [Right.] 2958.3860 2796 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2957.8870 [of] 2958.2834 2797 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2958.7205 [what you need to do.] 2959.5972 2798 DCB_int_01 2958.8464 [You see the effects] of the [real life] people, but you also see like, it could be a good thing. 2963.5699 2799 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2960.4458 [Mm-hm.] 2960.7955 2800 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2963.5839 And I- And I- Reason why I say it could be a good thing because um, I went to Atlanta, Georgia in um, 2968.3250 2801 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2968.3250 (pause 0.65) 2968.9778 2802 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2968.9778 college for uh, s- uh, community service for a week. 2971.4153 2803 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2971.4153 (pause 0.58) 2971.9982 2804 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2971.9982 And they're further along in this gentrification process than DC is, 2974.9964 2805 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2974.9964 (pause 0.30) 2975.2995 2806 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2975.2995 and I'm seeing the positive that's coming out of it. 2977.0376 2807 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2977.0376 (pause 0.64) 2977.6811 2808 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2977.6811 Um, and I love black people, and people say I'm racist, but I'm not. But I j- I love my own race. I love what we've come to be 2984.3852 2809 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2984.3852 (pause 0.22) 2984.6043 2810 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2984.6043 as a society, where we're going, where we can be. 2986.5814 2811 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2986.5814 (pause 0.62) 2987.1969 2812 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2987.1969 So 2987.5979 2813 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2987.5979 (pause 0.15) 2987.7471 2814 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2987.7471 literally, the whole time I'm there- I'm there for a week- I see two white people the whole time I'm there. 2990.9541 2815 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2990.9541 (pause 0.64) 2991.5975 2816 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2991.5975 Black 2991.9752 2817 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2991.9752 (pause 0.19) 2992.1618 2818 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2992.1618 ran businesses, black owned businesses. 2994.0456 2819 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2994.0456 (pause 0.72) 2994.7625 2820 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2994.7625 And I see what it could be, what DC could be 2997.3131 2821 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2997.3131 (pause 0.35) 2997.6675 2822 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2997.6675 once 2998.2830 2823 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2998.2830 (pause 0.34) 2998.6187 2824 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2998.6187 they're done. 2999.1456 2825 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2999.1456 (pause 0.52) 2999.6679 2826 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 2999.6679 And in my job, you know, seeing black people working in the DEA, 3003.2338 2827 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3003.2338 (pause 0.47) 3003.7048 2828 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3003.7048 things that I never knew. Like I- Literally seeing so many black people that have done so many positive things for their lives, 3008.9170 2829 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3008.9170 (pause 0.61) 3009.5276 2830 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3009.5276 and majority of them work in DC. 3011.3088 2831 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3011.3088 (pause 1.14) 3012.4501 2832 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3012.4501 So I'm like, what could we be in those ten years, 3015.0800 2833 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3015.0800 (pause 0.29) 3015.3691 2834 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3015.3691 [if we're] able to clean up these projects, and clean them up the right way, 3018.5025 2835 DCB_int_01 3015.4064 [Mm.] 3015.8167 2836 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3018.9863 and give people the right opportunities. 3020.7396 2837 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3020.7396 (pause 0.81) 3021.5509 2838 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3021.5509 And 3022.1664 2839 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3022.1664 (pause 0.67) 3022.8332 2840 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3022.8332 so many intelligent people, because m- 3024.5818 2841 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3024.5818 (pause 0.60) 3025.1822 2842 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3025.1822 And I mean, it may just be me, but my father's 3027.7001 2843 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3027.7001 (pause 0.45) 3028.1478 2844 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3028.1478 line, you know- We have intelligent people in our family, very very intelligent people. 3031.5972 2845 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3031.5972 (pause 0.83) 3032.4272 2846 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3032.4272 I was given the opportunity 3033.6861 2847 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3033.6861 (pause 0.33) 3034.0172 2848 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3034.0172 to go to school 3034.7493 2849 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3034.7493 (pause 1.11) 3035.8637 2850 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3035.8637 whereas 3036.4932 2851 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3036.4932 (pause 0.22) 3036.7112 2852 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3036.7112 still, I'm literally still the only one that has went to college and graduated. 3040.2317 2853 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3040.2317 (pause 1.06) 3041.2948 2854 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3041.2948 And it's- My other families weren't given the opportunity. 3043.7137 2855 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3043.7137 (pause 0.20) 3043.9142 2856 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3043.9142 You know, that little cousin I was telling you about that I lived with, 3045.8354 2857 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3045.8354 (pause 0.21) 3046.0405 2858 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3046.0405 I haven't spoken to her in over seven years. I don't know where my little cousin is. 3049.4946 2859 DCB_int_01 3050.0401 Mm. 3050.3106 2860 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3050.5204 Could be on the streets selling herself for all I know. 3052.6980 2861 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3052.6980 (pause 0.16) 3052.8565 2862 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3052.8565 Like I honestly don't know. 3053.7332 2863 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3053.7332 (pause 0.13) 3053.8637 2864 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3053.8637 And she's literally one year older than my b- my little brother. 3056.1800 2865 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3056.1800 (pause 0.71) 3056.8888 2866 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3056.8888 You [know], 3057.1825 2867 DCB_int_01 3056.9541 [/Wow- oh/.] 3057.5556 2868 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3057.3644 [seventeen] year old little girl, 3058.4882 2869 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3058.8239 don't know where she is. 3059.6446 2870 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3059.6446 (pause 0.50) 3060.1423 2871 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3060.1423 Father doesn't know where she is. 3061.1635 2872 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3061.1635 (pause 1.80) 3062.9681 2873 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3062.9681 Like, 3063.2618 2874 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3063.2618 (pause 0.34) 3063.5975 2875 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3063.5975 craziness, 3064.2224 2876 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3064.2224 (pause 0.16) 3064.3856 2877 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3064.3856 so. 3064.8006 2878 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3064.8006 (pause 0.91) 3065.7098 2879 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3065.7098 And like I say- I- I r- 3066.4921 2880 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3066.4921 (pause 0.13) 3066.6179 2881 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3066.6179 I- I realize what they're going through. I resonate with a lot of them, cause like I said, that- my mom's sister, 3071.7587 2882 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3071.7587 (pause 0.11) 3071.8719 2883 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3071.8719 like a- 3072.1668 2884 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3072.1668 (pause 0.18) 3072.3428 2885 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3072.3428 having serious conversations with her. Like I can't believe that she was a prostitute. 3075.3178 2886 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3075.3178 (pause 0.59) 3075.9053 2887 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3075.9053 [Um, and it's] cause I- I mainly grew up in Virginia, 3078.2228 2888 DCB_int_01 3075.9939 [/Mm/.] 3076.4182 2889 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3078.6646 I was 3079.2381 2890 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3079.2381 (pause 0.22) 3079.4619 2891 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3079.4619 tainted by society. Like, I was very secluded. I didn't [know all these things.] 3082.7819 2892 DCB_int_01 3081.9100 [Yeah, you were in the bubble.] 3082.7959 2893 DCB_int_01 3083.0617 You [were in the bubble.] 3083.8730 2894 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3083.2109 [I- I was in the] [bubble.] 3084.1528 2895 DCB_int_01 3084.0164 [Mm-hm.] 3084.4687 2896 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3084.6692 [Um, and I had-] 3085.4293 2897 DCB_int_01 3084.8185 [That bubble will] get you. 3085.7837 2898 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3086.0168 And I had to be brought back out the bubble once I was old enough [to understand.] 3088.8379 2899 DCB_int_01 3088.1664 [You had to pop] it. 3088.9917 2900 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3089.1736 [Mm-hm.] 3089.5420 2901 DCB_int_01 3089.4114 [Mm-hm.] 3089.8171 2902 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3090.0456 Um, and having those conversations that, you know, and you know, being exposed, you know, she ended up 3093.7794 2903 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3093.7794 (pause 0.25) 3094.0265 2904 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3094.0265 getting Hepatitis B 3095.0524 2905 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3095.0524 (pause 0.41) 3095.4580 2906 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3095.4580 because of [the lifestyle] she- life that she lived. 3097.2428 2907 DCB_int_01 3095.8392 [Mm.] 3096.1517 2908 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3097.9189 Drugs, 3098.5344 2909 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3098.5344 (pause 0.38) 3098.9121 2910 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3098.9121 and it's just 3099.7095 2911 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3099.7095 (pause 0.24) 3099.9519 2912 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3099.9519 the environment she was in, 3100.7073 2913 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3100.7073 (pause 0.48) 3101.1923 2914 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3101.1923 so. 3101.4347 2915 DCB_int_01 3101.8206 Yeah, I- The- What I appreciate about your dad, was he was just really- His candor 3105.3318 2916 DCB_int_01 3105.3318 (pause 0.24) 3105.5696 2917 DCB_int_01 3105.5696 about like, kind of the drug game, and how 3107.6387 2918 DCB_int_01 3107.6387 (pause 0.19) 3107.8299 2919 DCB_int_01 3107.8299 like it just ran rampant through the neighborhood. [Like], 3110.4592 2920 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3110.3199 [Mm-hm.] 3110.6137 2921 DCB_int_01 3111.0753 you know, cause sometimes I know like, we're- It's a tape recorder, but 3113.8404 2922 DCB_int_01 3113.8404 (pause 0.88) 3114.7159 2923 DCB_int_01 3114.7159 like, 3115.1215 2924 DCB_int_01 3115.1215 (pause 0.80) 3115.9189 2925 DCB_int_01 3115.9189 I think sometimes we have to 3116.8188 2926 DCB_int_01 3116.8188 (pause 0.17) 3116.9867 2927 DCB_int_01 3116.9867 talk about the reality. Like, [all of] DC is not Capitol Hill. 3120.3626 2928 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3118.1524 [We do.] 3118.4695 2929 DCB_int_01 3120.7951 [Um- Even Capitol] Hill is not even Capitol Hill in [some cases.] 3123.4157 2930 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3120.8091 [N- ] 3121.5412 2931 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3121.5412 (pause 1.24) 3122.7769 2932 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3122.7769 [Mm-hm.] 3123.1452 2933 DCB_int_01 3123.5276 But I think it's important to realize, just because that's where you 3126.0397 2934 DCB_int_01 3126.0397 (pause 0.27) 3126.3055 2935 DCB_int_01 3126.3055 were, doesn't mean that's where you are, that's where you have to stay. 3128.6929 2936 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3128.9447 No. 3129.2012 2937 DCB_int_01 3129.2758 And I think that was really- 3130.2084 2938 DCB_int_01 3130.2084 (pause 0.45) 3130.6560 2939 DCB_int_01 3130.6560 It was great kind of hearing his story 3132.5305 2940 DCB_int_01 3132.5305 (pause 0.25) 3132.7812 2941 DCB_int_01 3132.7812 from the- 3133.5272 2942 DCB_int_01 3133.5272 (pause 0.59) 3134.1147 2943 DCB_int_01 3134.1147 being in that lifestyle, and then moving and- and 3136.2584 2944 DCB_int_01 3136.2584 (pause 0.20) 3136.4602 2945 DCB_int_01 3136.4602 really, you know, trying to better himself. 3138.1901 2946 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3138.2414 Yeah. 3138.4512 2947 DCB_int_01 3138.6646 And I think that that's what- 3139.7790 2948 DCB_int_01 3139.7790 (pause 0.61) 3140.3852 2949 DCB_int_01 3140.3852 those are the kinds of stories that just- I love to hear. 3142.6467 2950 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3142.7400 Yeah, 3142.9125 2951 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3142.9125 (pause 0.14) 3143.0477 2952 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3143.0477 and people are amazed 3144.2601 2953 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3144.2601 (pause 0.15) 3144.4128 2954 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3144.4128 that 3144.7065 2955 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3144.7065 (pause 0.33) 3145.0329 2956 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3145.0329 um- And we were amazed when we- Cause we didn't know when we were younger that my dad 3147.9239 2957 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3147.9239 (pause 0.18) 3148.1011 2958 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3148.1011 did drugs, was strung out on drugs. I didn't find out I think- And I was always mature, so I found out when I was about ten. 3152.7582 2959 DCB_int_01 3153.0986 Mm-hm. 3153.4250 2960 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3153.3644 Whereas, they couldn't tell my brothers until they were like fifteen, sixteen cause they couldn't handle it! Like, the would have broke down 3158.1147 2961 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3158.5297 type thing. 3158.9074 2962 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3158.9074 (pause 0.54) 3159.4483 2963 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3159.4483 Um, 3159.8493 2964 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3159.8493 (pause 0.56) 3160.4089 2965 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3160.4089 but you know, realizing that I'm very thankful 3162.3615 2966 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3162.3615 (pause 0.29) 3162.6553 2967 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3162.6553 that- 3162.9770 2968 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3162.9770 (pause 0.59) 3163.5645 2969 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3163.5645 Where could we have been 3164.5577 2970 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3164.5577 (pause 0.16) 3164.7163 2971 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3164.7163 if my father didn't wake up 3166.0732 2972 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3166.0732 (pause 0.37) 3166.4462 2973 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3166.4462 and realize- Cause I don't know if he told you how long- He was using drugs until 3169.7883 2974 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3169.7883 (pause 0.28) 3170.0634 2975 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3170.0634 I was about ten, 3170.7023 2976 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3170.7023 (pause 0.41) 3171.1126 2977 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3171.1126 until- literally until /RD-NAME-2/ was born. 3172.6374 2978 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3172.6374 (pause 0.73) 3173.3694 2979 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3173.3694 And it was 3173.8824 2980 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3173.8824 (pause 0.15) 3174.0351 2981 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3174.0351 hidden from us. 3174.7998 2982 DCB_int_01 3175.4246 Mm. 3175.6158 2983 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3175.6065 And I thank them for hiding that from us, you know. 3177.6162 2984 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3177.8260 Um, 3178.1664 2985 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3178.1664 (pause 0.58) 3178.7493 2986 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3178.7493 but 3179.1083 2987 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3179.1083 (pause 1.08) 3180.1901 2988 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3180.1901 you know, had- had he not woken up 3181.6904 2989 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3181.6904 (pause 0.14) 3181.8256 2990 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3181.8256 and realized that, 3182.7909 2991 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3182.7909 (pause 0.86) 3183.6535 2992 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3183.6535 you know- But there's another side to that, that I'm quite sure he didn't go into detail, um, cause I don't even think he realizes. 3188.4645 2993 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3188.4645 (pause 0.60) 3189.0660 2994 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3189.0660 He had to turn from one drug 3190.3156 2995 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3190.3156 (pause 0.31) 3190.6280 2996 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3190.6280 to [another hard] drug, 3191.4860 2997 DCB_int_01 3190.8752 [/Right/.] 3191.2062 2998 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3191.7332 [alcohol.] 3192.2041 2999 DCB_int_01 3191.8171 [Mm-hm.] 3192.3906 3000 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3192.8744 My father drinks alcohol every day. 3194.2313 3001 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3194.2313 (pause 0.69) 3194.9214 3002 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3194.9214 And it's [/inaudible/-] 3195.8447 3003 DCB_int_01 3195.5836 [/RD-NAME-2/] I- I got to get you on my list too sir. 3197.7984 3004 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3198.2915 He's from DC? 3198.9024 3005 DCB_int_01 3199.3454 [He is. He worked] at /RD-WORK-4/ like, 3201.9473 3006 DCB_int_01 3201.9473 (pause 0.63) 3202.5814 3007 DCB_int_01 3202.5814 [a long time] 3203.3834 3008 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3202.5861 [/Oh/.] 3203.0337 3009 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3203.6632 No one [told me that he's from] DC. 3205.1682 3010 DCB_int_01 3203.9197 [in DC.] 3204.7124 3011 misc 3205.0335 /Talking/ me? 3205.6149 3012 DCB_int_01 3205.7277 Uh-huh. 3206.1008 3013 misc 3206.3059 [/inaudible/] 3206.9820 3014 DCB_int_01 3206.3199 [Aren't you from DC?] 3207.3924 3015 misc 3207.4996 [Yes.] 3207.8027 3016 DCB_int_01 3207.7421 [Like] you were born in DC. 3208.8752 3017 misc 3209.0291 Yes. 3209.3042 3018 DCB_int_01 3209.2762 Mm-hm. 3209.6259 3019 DCB_int_01 3209.8078 What [neighborhood did you] grow up in? 3210.9210 3020 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3209.9698 [/?/] 3210.3382 3021 misc 3211.2381 Southeast. 3211.8549 3022 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3212.4971 No one told me that. We're from [Southeast.] 3215.1083 3023 misc 3215.0011 [What] part? 3215.4627 3024 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3215.9010 Woodland. 3216.5025 3025 misc 3217.1635 Brookland? 3217.6123 3026 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3217.7510 Woodland. 3218.3805 3027 misc 3218.7349 Woodland? [That's why] you look familiar. My aunt is /RD-NAME-3/. I grew up in Woodland. 3221.7565 3028 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3219.2758 [Mm-hm.] 3219.6115 3029 misc 3222.0024 /RD-ADDRESS-8/. 3223.2987 3030 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3224.0448 Around the corner. 3224.5950 3031 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3224.5950 (pause 0.25) 3224.8422 3032 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3224.8422 [] 3225.4307 3033 DCB_int_01 3224.8515 [See?] [So /RD-NAME-2/, when am- when am-] when am I gonna schedule [you?] 3227.6912 3034 misc 3225.3691 [/inaudible/ that's crazy.] 3226.7819 3035 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3227.4767 [Oh.] 3227.7565 3036 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3227.9197 My dad is outside! You may know him. 3229.9888 3037 misc 3230.1287 Who's your dad? 3230.6043 3038 misc 3230.6043 (pause 0.11) 3230.7163 3039 misc 3230.7163 He [looked familiar, he smiled] at me. Like, 3232.4835 3040 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3231.0054 [/RD-NAME-3/.] 3231.7468 3041 misc 3232.6234 what's up? He was /at the dancing [school/.] 3234.3393 3042 DCB_int_01 3233.8964 [Was he-] 3234.3253 3043 misc 3234.5806 I ain't know, you know, back in the day, you see somebody dancing in front, 3237.6815 3044 misc 3237.6815 (pause 0.32) 3238.0032 3045 misc 3238.0032 old dude, you know about like, 3239.4907 3046 misc 3239.4907 (pause 0.22) 3239.7098 3047 misc 3239.7098 okay, let me- let me go /ahead/. 3240.8603 3048 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3240.8664 3241.7224 3049 misc 3241.7324 Nah, I gotta go sell /ducks/. 3243.1592 3050 DCB_int_01 3243.1825 Alright, go sell [some /ducks/.] 3244.5581 3051 misc 3243.9706 [/Call me/ next] week. 3244.7026 3052 misc 3245.1923 Next week. 3245.8264 3053 DCB_int_01 3246.0304 That's 3246.3149 3054 DCB_int_01 3246.3149 (pause 0.16) 3246.4734 3055 DCB_int_01 3246.4734 No, seriously, yeah. Next [week will be good.] 3248.2686 3056 misc 3247.5552 [I'm serious, call me.] 3248.4598 3057 misc 3249.0706 [/Let me know/.] 3249.8727 3058 DCB_int_01 3249.0846 [I-] 3249.3131 3059 misc 3250.9871 But call me. 3251.6026 3060 misc 3251.6026 (pause 0.38) 3251.9838 3061 misc 3251.9838 Cause I- Monday I have a- 3253.0516 3062 misc 3253.0516 (pause 0.18) 3253.2288 3063 misc 3253.2288 a meeting. 3253.6624 3064 DCB_int_01 3253.6111 No, Monday I'll be at a conference. 3255.2105 3065 misc 3255.3644 [Okay.] 3255.7328 3066 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3255.7328 3256.1478 3067 misc 3256.4369 Good talking to you. 3257.1176 3068 DCB_int_01 3257.5839 Okay, good. I'll send you a email. 3258.9164 3069 misc 3259.2987 Alright. 3259.5832 3070 DCB_int_01 3259.6111 Cool. 3259.9236 3071 DCB_int_01 3259.9236 (pause 0.29) 3260.2127 3072 DCB_int_01 3260.2127 Alright I'm sorry, 3260.7256 3073 DCB_int_01 3260.7256 (pause 0.14) 3260.8608 3074 DCB_int_01 3260.8608 but- 3261.0613 3075 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3261.1313 No, you're [fine.] 3261.8400 3076 DCB_int_01 3261.5602 [I-] 3261.7794 3077 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3261.9706 [] 3262.2737 3078 DCB_int_01 3261.9706 [I knew-] only reason I knew he was from DC is because he used to work at /RD-WORK-4/ 3265.6811 3079 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3265.7510 Okay. 3266.1054 3080 DCB_int_01 3266.3992 like fifteen, twenty years ago. 3267.7514 3081 DCB_int_01 3267.7514 (pause 0.28) 3268.0312 3082 DCB_int_01 3268.0312 Like, in DC, and then he moved, and his family's here, all that. 3270.6553 3083 DCB_int_01 3270.6553 (pause 0.30) 3270.9537 3084 DCB_int_01 3270.9537 Anyway, 3271.2754 3085 DCB_int_01 3271.2754 (pause 0.28) 3271.5599 3086 DCB_int_01 3271.5599 so, 3271.8303 3087 DCB_int_01 3271.8303 (pause 0.11) 3271.9376 3088 DCB_int_01 3271.9376 no, he- 3272.4971 3089 DCB_int_01 3272.4971 (pause 0.16) 3272.6556 3090 DCB_int_01 3272.6556 he- 3272.9914 3091 DCB_int_01 3272.9914 (pause 0.17) 3273.1639 3092 DCB_int_01 3273.1639 he was- 3273.5369 3093 DCB_int_01 3273.5369 (pause 0.13) 3273.6628 3094 DCB_int_01 3273.6628 he went into- he talked about drugs, and he talked about 3276.1248 3095 DCB_int_01 3276.1248 (pause 0.47) 3276.5900 3096 DCB_int_01 3276.5900 drinking, but he didn't really go [into-] 3278.7023 3097 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3278.4831 [] 3278.7256 3098 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3279.0893 Mm-hm. And I- I- 3279.9379 3099 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3279.9379 (pause 0.14) 3280.0778 3100 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3280.0778 I honestly- And it's- I have these conversations with him 3282.4746 3101 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3282.4746 (pause 0.53) 3283.0003 3102 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3283.0003 when he's vulnerable to have those conversations. 3285.5183 3103 DCB_int_01 3285.7095 [Mm.] 3285.9333 3104 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3285.8120 [And] I explain to him- 3286.9498 3105 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3287.0757 cause, my father had a education, but his education stopped at high school. 3290.2966 3106 DCB_int_01 3290.8048 [Mm-hm.] 3291.2758 3107 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3290.8888 [So] he doesn't 3291.8680 3108 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3291.9986 know, you know, the science behind things that I'm explaining to them 3295.0516 3109 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3295.0516 (pause 0.72) 3295.7743 3110 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3295.7743 where 3296.2919 3111 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3296.2919 (pause 1.29) 3297.5789 3112 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3297.5789 your body gets used to that something, 3299.7705 3113 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3299.7705 (pause 0.39) 3300.1575 3114 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3300.1575 and you have to pull that something from somewhere else. 3301.9376 3115 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3301.9376 (pause 0.31) 3302.2453 3116 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3302.2453 And he's found it in alcohol. 3303.4950 3117 DCB_int_01 3304.0498 [Mm-hm.] 3304.4182 3118 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3304.2690 [So] my father is a alcoholic. 3305.7891 3119 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3306.1190 Um, 3306.5433 3120 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3306.5433 (pause 0.14) 3306.6786 3121 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3306.6786 and he raised us to be honest- it's why you found that he's very honest- was always raised to be very honest about anything. There's no need to hide anything. 3311.6772 3122 DCB_int_01 3311.9663 Yup, [he does] say- in fact he said- 3313.2894 3123 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3312.2263 [Um-] 3312.4594 3124 DCB_int_01 3313.5226 qu- um, [you almost quoted him directly.] 3314.8561 3125 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3313.7743 [] 3314.9214 3126 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3315.1686 [Mm-hm.] 3315.5649 3127 DCB_int_01 3315.3970 [Yup.] 3315.6022 3128 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3316.0359 And he- he honestly is a alcoholic. Um, 3318.5060 3129 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3318.5060 (pause 0.18) 3318.6832 3130 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3318.6832 and it's affected our lives 3320.2919 3131 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3320.2919 (pause 1.32) 3321.6115 3132 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3321.6115 more so here recently in the past five to eight years I wanna say. 3325.5459 3133 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3325.5459 (pause 0.28) 3325.8303 3134 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3325.8303 Um, it's gotten worse, 3326.9354 3135 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3326.9354 (pause 0.15) 3327.0893 3136 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3327.0893 and it's cause him and my mother are having problems. 3328.9731 3137 DCB_int_01 3329.3135 [Hm.] 3329.5886 3138 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3329.4767 [Um], and it's because she- 3330.9350 3139 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3331.8256 And it's- it's realizing that- and I'm- I'm bringing this up because it- it relates back to where we're from- 3336.0642 3140 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3336.0642 (pause 0.17) 3336.2356 3141 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3336.2356 that eventually 3337.2614 3142 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3337.2614 (pause 0.69) 3337.9515 3143 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3337.9515 it- society will get you. 3339.0566 3144 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3339.0566 (pause 0.89) 3339.9426 3145 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3339.9426 And she had us at a early age, so 3341.9710 3146 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3341.9710 (pause 0.40) 3342.3755 3147 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3342.3755 /RD-NAME-2/'s about to be sixteen. She's ready to live her life now 3344.6463 3148 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3344.6463 (pause 0.81) 3345.4530 3149 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3345.4530 cause she didn't get to live it before. And that's what- I don't know what I would do if I was twenty three years old, and I had four babies, 3350.3899 3150 DCB_int_01 3351.1965 Yeah. 3351.4577 3151 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3351.9053 two of 'em in elementary [school already.] 3353.5513 3152 DCB_int_01 3353.0617 [So your mom's] what- forty-five-ish? [Somewhere thereabouts?] 3355.5692 3153 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3354.8744 [Forty seven.] 3355.5412 3154 DCB_int_01 3355.6997 Forty- Mm-hm. 3356.1847 3155 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3356.1800 Forty seven, and she's ready to live her life cause she- she couldn't. 3358.4602 3156 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3359.8253 She- she honestly couldn't. 3360.8791 3157 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3360.8791 (pause 0.29) 3361.1682 3158 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3361.1682 So I'm sorry- I said forty seven. My mom's only forty two, sorry. 3363.3084 3159 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3363.3084 (pause 0.22) 3363.5276 3160 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3363.5276 She's forty two. 3364.0219 3161 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3364.0219 (pause 0.41) 3364.4322 3162 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3364.4322 Um, 3364.8239 3163 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3364.8239 (pause 0.41) 3365.2342 3164 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3365.2342 and she never got to experience prom, 3367.7417 3165 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3367.7417 (pause 0.84) 3368.5810 3166 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3368.5810 going out with the friends. 3369.8913 3167 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3369.8913 (pause 0.26) 3370.1478 3168 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3370.1478 She was at home 3370.8006 3169 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3370.8006 (pause 0.14) 3370.9358 3170 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3370.9358 with three babies. 3371.6725 3171 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3371.6725 (pause 0.41) 3372.0875 3172 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3372.0875 And during these times when, I don't remember, 3373.6158 3173 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3373.6158 (pause 0.16) 3373.7743 3174 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3373.7743 when he was out, strung out on drugs. 3375.3784 3175 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3375.3784 (pause 0.63) 3376.0079 3176 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3376.0079 I- we don't remember. 3376.8239 3177 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3376.8239 (pause 0.19) 3377.0151 3178 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3377.0151 She never- 3377.5280 3179 DCB_int_01 3378.6739 [She always found a way to make- Mm.] 3380.3899 3180 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3378.6879 [She wasn't that mom that said], your father's doing blah blah blah blah blah while I'm doing- 3382.8006 3181 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3382.8985 we [never knew any of that.] 3384.1994 3182 DCB_int_01 3383.1969 [Keeping up the appearances], [yeah.] 3384.8884 3183 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3384.7858 [We] never knew. 3385.3267 3184 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3385.6298 Um, 3386.0355 3185 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3386.0355 (pause 0.17) 3386.2080 3186 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3386.2080 and it's like, you lived your life. Let me go live mine. I got my children 3389.5466 3187 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3389.5466 (pause 0.13) 3389.6725 3188 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3389.6725 to eighteen. 3390.2647 3189 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3390.2647 (pause 0.64) 3390.9070 3190 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3390.9070 One, he's sixteen. 3391.9469 3191 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3391.9469 (pause 0.78) 3392.7302 3192 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3392.7302 He can take care of himself now. 3394.0219 3193 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3394.0219 (pause 0.67) 3394.6933 3194 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3394.6933 And he can't- my father 3396.1715 3195 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3396.1715 (pause 0.49) 3396.6599 3196 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3396.6599 was born in the fifties. 3397.8070 3197 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3397.8070 (pause 0.51) 3398.3199 3198 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3398.3199 He can't- 3398.7209 3199 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3398.7209 (pause 0.16) 3398.8841 3200 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3398.8841 a woman shouldn't be doing that. 3400.0918 3201 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3400.0918 (pause 0.46) 3400.5534 3202 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3400.5534 A woman should be at home taking- like, that's why I said my mother's a stay at home mom. 3403.2568 3203 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3403.2568 (pause 0.69) 3403.9469 3204 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3403.9469 She should be at home taking care of her children, 3405.5136 3205 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3405.5136 (pause 0.35) 3405.8633 3206 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3405.8633 so they're having that little 3406.8146 3207 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3406.8146 (pause 0.48) 3407.2995 3208 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3407.2995 crisis right now, and he's resorting 3408.8791 3209 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3408.8791 (pause 0.15) 3409.0329 3210 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3409.0329 to more and more alcohol. 3410.1008 3211 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3410.1008 (pause 0.96) 3411.0566 3212 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3411.0566 Because of that, 3411.5649 3213 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3411.5649 (pause 0.37) 3411.9379 3214 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3411.9379 so. 3412.1944 3215 DCB_int_01 3413.5933 Um, 3414.0969 3216 DCB_int_01 3414.0969 (pause 0.47) 3414.5713 3217 DCB_int_01 3414.5713 last thing cause I know- I know you all have some stuff to do, and I appreciate you [taking the time-] 3418.5513 3218 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3417.7328 [Oh, ask all the questions] that you [need to ask. You're fine.] 3419.7227 3219 DCB_int_01 3418.9778 [This is- this] is great. 3420.0596 3220 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3420.1248 [] 3420.9723 3221 DCB_int_01 3420.1983 [No, this is-] 3420.8558 3222 DCB_int_01 3421.2381 And what I love is um, 3423.7374 3223 DCB_int_01 3423.7374 (pause 0.41) 3424.1431 3224 DCB_int_01 3424.1431 being able to- it was great talking to your dad first, 3426.5760 3225 DCB_int_01 3426.5760 (pause 0.36) 3426.9397 3226 DCB_int_01 3426.9397 um, because he was very much 3428.4085 3227 DCB_int_01 3428.4085 (pause 0.76) 3429.1732 3228 DCB_int_01 3429.1732 a lot more general. 3430.4182 3229 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3430.6141 Mm-hm. 3430.9498 3230 DCB_int_01 3430.9638 Um, 3431.2762 3231 DCB_int_01 3431.2762 (pause 0.17) 3431.4441 3232 DCB_int_01 3431.4441 he elaborated on certain things, but [other things] he just 3433.8210 3233 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3433.1169 [Mm-hm.] 3433.4200 3234 DCB_int_01 3433.9842 totally skimmed over, and so then 3435.4530 3235 DCB_int_01 3435.4530 (pause 0.16) 3435.6162 3236 DCB_int_01 3435.6162 for you- like some things, I- I- I've totally ac- actually forgot he said, and then for you to 3439.1449 3237 DCB_int_01 3439.1449 (pause 0.24) 3439.3827 3238 DCB_int_01 3439.3827 fill in all those detail- 3440.4132 3239 DCB_int_01 3440.4132 (pause 0.53) 3440.9447 3240 DCB_int_01 3440.9447 Great. 3441.3691 3241 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3441.5089 [] 3442.4042 3242 DCB_int_01 3441.7281 [Absolutely wonderful.] 3442.4089 3243 DCB_int_01 3443.4569 Um, 3444.1283 3244 DCB_int_01 3444.1283 (pause 1.15) 3445.2754 3245 DCB_int_01 3445.2754 3445.4200 3246 DCB_int_01 3445.4200 (pause 0.21) 3445.6251 3247 DCB_int_01 3445.6251 three things. One, 3446.6696 3248 DCB_int_01 3446.6696 (pause 0.49) 3447.1639 3249 DCB_int_01 3447.1639 what's your favorite- 3447.8913 3250 DCB_int_01 3447.8913 (pause 0.13) 3448.0172 3251 DCB_int_01 3448.0172 this is just crazy, but what's your favorite TV show or book? And why? 3451.1868 3252 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3451.6158 Um, 3451.9982 3253 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3451.9982 (pause 0.49) 3452.4878 3254 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3452.4878 my favorite book again, is the Series of Unfortunate [Events], 3454.8379 3255 DCB_int_01 3454.4882 [Mm-hm.] 3454.8519 3256 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3455.0430 um, 3455.4674 3257 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3455.4674 (pause 0.23) 3455.7005 3258 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3455.7005 and it's because it- 3456.4652 3259 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3456.4652 (pause 0.99) 3457.4526 3260 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3457.4526 at every hook, 3458.3246 3261 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3458.3246 (pause 0.64) 3458.9681 3262 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3458.9681 uh, the oldest 3459.8260 3263 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3459.8260 (pause 0.28) 3460.1058 3264 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3460.1058 s- 3460.2084 3265 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3460.2084 (pause 0.15) 3460.3576 3266 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3460.3576 sibling 3460.8798 3267 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3460.8798 (pause 0.17) 3461.0524 3268 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3461.0524 found a way 3461.6399 3269 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3461.6399 (pause 0.24) 3461.8812 3270 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3461.8812 to 3462.2169 3271 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3462.2169 (pause 0.14) 3462.3522 3272 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3462.3522 turn it around. And I don't know if it's cause I'm- n- as I gotten older, I realize that it resonated a lot with my life. 3466.8565 3273 DCB_int_01 3467.1643 Cause [you had to be] the older [sibling even though you weren't the oldest.] 3469.5878 3274 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3467.3636 [Um], 3467.7040 3275 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3467.7040 (pause 0.51) 3468.2169 3276 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3468.2169 [I had to be the oldest. Yeah.] 3469.5972 3277 DCB_int_01 3469.7977 [Right.] 3470.0728 3278 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3469.8769 [And I] had to always do what was in the best interest of me and my brothers. 3472.8659 3279 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3473.0430 Always. And I still am to this day. Like I- I helped take care of he- his two children that he 3477.1126 3280 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3477.1126 (pause 0.26) 3477.3691 3281 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3477.3691 made. Like, I literally today was watching his youngest child. 3479.6585 3282 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3479.6585 (pause 0.52) 3480.1808 3283 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3480.1808 Um, 3480.5445 3284 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3480.5445 (pause 1.10) 3481.6485 3285 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3481.6485 and 3482.3059 3286 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3482.3059 (pause 1.08) 3483.3830 3287 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3483.3830 favorite /TVree/ show. 3484.4509 3288 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3484.4509 (pause 0.43) 3484.8798 3289 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3484.8798 Um, 3485.2482 3290 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3485.2482 (pause 0.55) 3485.7984 3291 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3485.7984 it depends. Like I like- 3487.0609 3292 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3487.0609 (pause 0.30) 3487.3640 3293 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3487.3640 like Law and Order type 3488.2640 3294 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3488.2640 (pause 0.37) 3488.6323 3295 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3488.6323 things, [so Law and] Order SVU is probably my favorite TV [show.] 3491.5513 3296 DCB_int_01 3489.0193 [Mm.] 3489.5416 3297 DCB_int_01 3489.5416 (pause 1.86) 3491.4021 3298 DCB_int_01 3491.4021 [It's] one of my [faves.] 3492.3393 3299 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3491.8264 [Honestly.] 3492.3720 3300 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3492.7905 Um, 3493.2288 3301 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3493.2288 (pause 1.55) 3494.7815 3302 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3494.7815 and I like that, 3495.6721 3303 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3495.6721 (pause 0.12) 3495.7934 3304 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3495.7934 you know, there's no need to hide anything I said before. Like, face the facts 3499.5925 3305 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3499.5925 (pause 0.46) 3500.0495 3306 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3500.0495 and let's find a way to move forward. 3501.3411 3307 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3501.3411 (pause 0.62) 3501.9623 3308 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3501.9623 So I like those real life- 3503.6410 3309 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3503.6410 (pause 0.48) 3504.1259 3310 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3504.1259 things really could happen. 3505.2776 3311 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3505.2776 (pause 0.20) 3505.4781 3312 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3505.4781 Um, and I like helping people. I love giving back, um, and I actually started volunteering here with the cheerleaders. 3509.8088 3313 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3509.8088 (pause 0.38) 3510.1865 3314 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3510.1865 Um, I didn't know what the Boys and Girls Club was 3512.3128 3315 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3512.3128 (pause 0.44) 3512.7558 3316 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3512.7558 um, until I got a little bit older and really realized their mission, until I met /RD-NAME-1/. 3516.6155 3317 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3516.6155 (pause 0.37) 3516.9885 3318 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3516.9885 Cause /RD-NAME-1/ grew up in a Boys and Girls Club. 3518.4339 3319 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3518.4339 (pause 0.68) 3519.1101 3320 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3519.1101 And I think it's amazing that you're getting them at this age 3522.1679 3321 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3522.1679 (pause 0.57) 3522.7367 3322 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3522.7367 before it turns into problems. And then 3524.7138 3323 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3524.7138 (pause 0.27) 3524.9843 3324 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3524.9843 literally there's a child on the cheerleading squad- 3527.4311 3325 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3527.4311 (pause 0.58) 3528.0093 3326 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3528.0093 I have five to seven mind you- 3529.3849 3327 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3529.3849 (pause 0.22) 3529.6087 3328 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3529.6087 that's a bully. 3530.1170 3329 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3530.1170 (pause 0.57) 3530.6858 3330 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3530.6858 I was bullied. 3531.2780 3331 DCB_int_01 3532.4426 [Hm.] 3532.6664 3332 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3532.4519 [So it's] 3532.8856 3333 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3533.4404 counteracting that now, 3534.4476 3334 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3534.4476 (pause 0.33) 3534.7787 3335 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3534.7787 explaining to her why she needs to stop it now. 3536.7045 3336 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3536.7045 (pause 0.64) 3537.3421 3337 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3537.3421 Before 3537.8084 3338 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3537.8084 (pause 0.31) 3538.1162 3339 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3538.1162 you have those incidents where those children are hurting themselves, 3540.8999 3340 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3540.8999 (pause 0.22) 3541.1238 3341 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3541.1238 killing themselves 3541.7812 3342 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3541.7812 (pause 0.23) 3542.0097 3343 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3542.0097 because of what you're doing 3542.9283 3344 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3542.9283 (pause 0.20) 3543.1241 3345 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3543.1241 to them. 3543.4505 3346 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3543.4505 (pause 0.67) 3544.1255 3347 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3544.1255 So, and you wouldn't believe six years old, 3545.8228 3348 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3545.8228 (pause 0.55) 3546.3730 3349 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3546.3730 looks like a little angel, 3547.4129 3350 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3547.4129 (pause 0.46) 3547.8698 3351 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3547.8698 bullying another six year old, 3549.0868 3352 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3549.0868 (pause 0.76) 3549.8504 3353 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3549.8504 so. 3550.1488 3354 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3550.1488 (pause 1.07) 3551.2213 3355 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3551.2213 Yeah, but that's- that's probably 3552.4243 3356 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3552.4243 (pause 0.13) 3552.5549 3357 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3552.5549 my favorite TV show. 3553.4175 3358 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3553.4175 (pause 0.20) 3553.6134 3359 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3553.6134 Um, and like I said, feel free- if you need to ask more questions, like I understand it's important. It's your dissertation [it's important stuff.] 3558.5269 3360 DCB_int_01 3558.0420 [No, no, no.] 3558.5269 3361 DCB_int_01 3558.6854 Uh- but this is- [This is great.] 3560.1309 3362 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3559.5248 [] 3560.1123 3363 DCB_int_01 3560.2988 Um, 3560.7744 3364 DCB_int_01 3560.7744 (pause 0.97) 3561.7478 3365 DCB_int_01 3561.7478 are you familiar with go go? 3563.9720 3366 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3564.6715 Yes, I love go go. 3565.7066 3367 DCB_int_01 3566.1682 [Oh!] 3566.4014 3368 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3566.2009 [That's] my favorite music. 3567.2314 3369 DCB_int_01 3567.4820 Really? 3567.8129 3370 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3567.9996 Mm-hm. 3568.2934 3371 DCB_int_01 3568.3960 Why? 3568.6571 3372 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3568.6431 I love a variety of music. I love country music too, 3570.3684 3373 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3570.4989 but I- I [love-] 3571.5388 3374 DCB_int_01 3571.0678 [I'm a fan of] country music as [well.] 3572.4946 3375 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3572.2335 [Yes], but I love- 3573.4179 3376 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3573.5520 I love love love go go, and it's cause I love dancing. 3575.6549 3377 DCB_int_01 3577.3895 Why- um, do you have a favorite go go band or a song? 3580.0416 3378 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3580.4472 Um, 3580.8949 3379 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3580.8949 (pause 1.38) 3582.2798 3380 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3582.2798 let's see. 3582.8067 3381 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3582.8067 (pause 1.54) 3584.3454 3382 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3584.3454 I don't- 3584.6858 3383 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3584.6858 (pause 3.28) 3587.9627 3384 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3587.9627 I actually- I like the song Welcome to DC actually. I probably shouldn't like the song /but/ have you /seard/- heard the song Welcome to [DC?] 3593.2679 3385 DCB_int_01 3593.0115 [I have not] but I'm'a make note [to go listen to] it. 3594.9372 3386 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3594.1306 [Okay yes.] 3594.7600 3387 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3594.9512 Please [listen to Welcome] 3595.8931 3388 DCB_int_01 3595.2263 [Let me- let me write] that [on my-] 3596.5599 3389 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3596.1309 [to DC.] 3596.7604 3390 DCB_int_01 3596.8350 my [notes.] 3597.5251 3391 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3596.9843 [Um], 3597.3386 3392 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3598.2887 very very out there. Um, I [think] 3601.1144 3393 DCB_int_01 3600.8673 [/I'm sorry/.] 3601.3895 3394 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3601.6320 CCB is probably 3602.6299 3395 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3602.6299 (pause 0.26) 3602.8863 3396 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3602.8863 my [favorite.] 3603.5158 3397 DCB_int_01 3603.1754 [Mm], mm-hm. 3603.8129 3398 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3603.8551 Um, 3604.2747 3399 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3604.2747 (pause 0.12) 3604.3913 3400 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3604.3913 and it's a v- 3605.1047 3401 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3605.1047 (pause 0.32) 3605.4265 3402 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3605.4265 variety, 3606.2098 3403 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3606.2098 (pause 0.16) 3606.3730 3404 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3606.3730 and they're /areays/- always speaking the truth. 3608.0237 3405 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3608.0237 (pause 0.74) 3608.7651 3406 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3608.7651 In this new go go where they're just taking other songs and turning into go go music- it's like, no. 3612.7414 3407 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3612.7414 (pause 0.34) 3613.0771 3408 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3613.0771 It's speaking 3614.0284 3409 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3614.0284 (pause 0.11) 3614.1403 3410 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3614.1403 the truth. I love Chuck Brown. 3615.4692 3411 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3615.4692 (pause 0.47) 3615.9343 3412 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3615.9343 Um, 3616.2701 3413 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3616.2701 (pause 0.71) 3616.9835 3414 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3616.9835 and it's- I- I remember 3618.2471 3415 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3618.2471 (pause 0.30) 3618.5456 3416 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3618.5456 um- and that's why I can't- I can't complain 3620.5553 3417 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3620.5553 (pause 0.21) 3620.7698 3418 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3620.7698 at 3621.0589 3419 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3621.0589 (pause 0.39) 3621.4494 3420 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3621.4494 you know, what environment I was exposed to. Cause as I'm older, I'm remembering 3624.9466 3421 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3624.9466 (pause 0.35) 3625.2963 3422 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3625.2963 the late nights, and that's why my dad's dancing. Like, that's what we used to do all night. 3628.2794 3423 DCB_int_01 3628.6058 Mm-hm. 3628.8669 3424 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3628.8622 Like he would [literally-] 3629.7295 3425 DCB_int_01 3629.1747 [That's what he was just] [saying.] 3630.1585 3426 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3629.9207 [Yeah.] He would 3630.5222 3427 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3630.6248 put me on his toes, like his feet, 3632.2708 3428 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3632.2708 (pause 0.44) 3632.7138 3429 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3632.7138 and we would dance all night. 3633.6837 3430 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3633.6837 (pause 0.21) 3633.8924 3431 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3633.8924 Literally. And with my uncles as well. That's- that's honestly what we did. 3636.8670 3432 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3636.8670 (pause 0.49) 3637.3569 3433 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3637.3569 And it's- I love music. Um, music 3639.7338 3434 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3639.7338 (pause 0.35) 3640.0789 3435 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3640.0789 speaks to the soul. 3641.0161 3436 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3641.0161 (pause 0.53) 3641.5430 3437 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3641.5430 Like I love the older music. Like you will 3643.4595 3438 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3643.4595 (pause 0.07) 3643.5294 3439 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3643.5294 l- 3643.6880 3440 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3643.6880 (pause 0.22) 3643.9071 3441 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3643.9071 catch me listening to all the old school. Like I love 3646.2701 3442 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3646.2701 (pause 0.84) 3647.1140 3443 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3647.1140 Marvin Gaye. 3647.7902 3444 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3647.7902 (pause 0.13) 3647.9161 3445 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3647.9161 Um, /RD-NAME-1/ was 3648.6202 3446 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3648.6202 (pause 0.15) 3648.7694 3447 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3648.7694 actually complaining the other night cause I'm listening to Marvin Gaye. 3651.2675 3448 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3651.2675 (pause 0.43) 3651.7012 3449 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3651.7012 And I'm like, this is 3652.5358 3450 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3652.5358 (pause 0.28) 3652.8203 3451 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3652.8203 our music, 3653.5850 3452 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3653.5850 (pause 0.50) 3654.0839 3453 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3654.0839 honestly. 3654.5409 3454 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3654.5409 (pause 0.48) 3655.0258 3455 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3655.0258 And I was telling her that they should have signed me up for jazz. Like I loved jazz. I loved /byue/- 3658.2234 3456 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3658.2234 (pause 0.15) 3658.3726 3457 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3658.3726 blues. Like I love all types of music. 3659.7948 3458 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3659.7948 (pause 0.56) 3660.3590 3459 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3660.3590 But 3660.6481 3460 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3660.6481 (pause 0.19) 3660.8393 3461 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3660.8393 yeah. 3661.0212 3462 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3661.0212 (pause 0.12) 3661.1424 3463 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3661.1424 I think 3661.4222 3464 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3661.4222 (pause 0.59) 3662.0144 3465 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3662.0144 CCB probably. 3662.8490 3466 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3662.8490 (pause 0.68) 3663.5287 3467 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3663.5287 [] 3663.8131 3468 DCB_int_01 3663.5333 [Did you] um- 3664.3307 3469 DCB_int_01 3664.8809 Did you have any experience or do you have any experience from mumbo sauce? 3667.9677 3470 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3668.7045 I love Mumbo Sauce, too. 3669.6417 3471 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3669.6417 (pause 0.52) 3670.1628 3472 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3670.1628 [] 3670.5731 3473 DCB_int_01 3670.3540 [Why?] 3670.7410 3474 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3671.5477 Um, I think the same thing, uh, speaking 3674.1543 3475 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3674.1543 (pause 0.21) 3674.3687 3476 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3674.3687 the truth. Um, 3675.3619 3477 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3675.3619 (pause 1.47) 3676.8343 3478 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3676.8343 and I love Rare Essence as well. 3678.0979 3479 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3678.0979 (pause 0.28) 3678.3777 3480 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3678.3777 Um, 3678.8533 3481 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3678.8533 (pause 0.72) 3679.5714 3482 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3679.5714 but I'm tryna think what's that song that Mumbo- I think it's called 3682.7224 3483 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3682.7224 (pause 0.14) 3682.8622 3484 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3682.8622 Anthem or something like that. I can't remember what the name of the song is that Mumbo Sauce sings. 3686.7371 3485 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3686.7371 (pause 0.63) 3687.3713 3486 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3687.3713 Um- 3687.8129 3487 DCB_int_01 3688.2467 Oh, you're talking about the group. 3689.1840 3488 DCB_int_01 3689.1840 (pause 0.88) 3690.0653 3489 DCB_int_01 3690.0653 [I was talking about the] 3690.8207 3490 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3690.0699 [Oh, you're talking about the- 3690.8766 3491 DCB_int_01 3691.0585 food. 3691.4688 3492 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3691.6553 [Oh yes. I love mumbo sauce] too. [Yes, I love-] And /RD-NAME-1/ doesn't- 3695.3332 3493 DCB_int_01 3691.7299 [But the group is great too.] 3693.4412 3494 DCB_int_01 3693.4412 (pause 0.29) 3693.7338 3495 DCB_int_01 3693.7338 [] 3694.3820 3496 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3695.4358 3695.7902 3497 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3695.7902 (pause 0.19) 3695.9813 3498 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3695.9813 Told her- I said, you don't what mumbo sauce- You don't know what fried chicken is til you go to DC. 3699.2967 3499 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3699.2967 (pause 0.47) 3699.7665 3500 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3699.7665 Um- 3700.0882 3501 DCB_int_01 3700.0882 Where- where do you get your- your f- 3701.5943 3502 DCB_int_01 3701.5943 (pause 0.15) 3701.7482 3503 DCB_int_01 3701.7482 your best fried- your chicken wings and mumbo sau- [Where do you get] yours? 3704.8117 3504 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3703.9025 [And what] 3704.3734 3505 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3704.3734 (pause 0.42) 3704.7931 3506 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3704.7931 street is that? Um, 3706.1208 3507 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3706.8436 and then it's this- cause I was so young that I could drive you there, but I don't remember the name of the street cause I was too little. 3711.6604 3508 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3711.6604 (pause 0.41) 3712.0742 3509 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3712.0742 But basically, where we would go to Reynold's Place 3714.7181 3510 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3714.7181 (pause 0.69) 3715.4082 3511 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3715.4082 is 3715.7859 3512 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3715.7859 (pause 0.35) 3716.1356 3513 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3716.1356 coming down that hill. 3717.2967 3514 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3717.2967 (pause 0.24) 3717.5333 3515 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3717.5333 And I don't know- Do you know where Reynold's Place is? 3718.9369 3516 DCB_int_01 3719.2213 I think- 3719.6736 3517 DCB_int_01 3719.6736 (pause 0.74) 3720.4103 3518 DCB_int_01 3720.4103 So you're off of- I think I do. 3722.6019 3519 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3723.8131 Cause let me- let me describe to you what's in that area cause maybe you'll remember it from there. This 3727.7626 3520 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3727.7626 (pause 0.10) 3727.8652 3521 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3727.8652 carry out that we went to, right behind it was like a- a type of Best Way type store. It was like a grocery store. 3733.3009 3522 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3733.3009 (pause 0.71) 3734.0097 3523 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3734.0097 Um, 3734.4900 3524 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3734.4900 (pause 0.17) 3734.6578 3525 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3734.6578 so you came- The carry out was right here and to the left, there was like a long 3738.9466 3526 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3738.9466 (pause 0.39) 3739.3336 3527 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3739.3336 driveway that she went down to the 3740.8770 3528 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3740.8770 (pause 0.19) 3741.0682 3529 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3741.0682 carry out- I mean the uh, grocery store. 3742.5172 3530 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3742.5172 (pause 0.41) 3742.9229 3531 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3742.9229 And to the left of that was some other restaurants. 3744.9046 3532 DCB_int_01 3745.0631 But up on the hill, are there like two big apartment- Like you [go into a set] of apartments [on one side] and there's [another-] 3749.7622 3533 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3747.5800 [Yes.] 3748.1348 3534 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3748.1348 (pause 0.58) 3748.7130 3535 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3748.7130 [Yes.] 3749.0814 3536 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3749.0814 (pause 0.33) 3749.4078 3537 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3749.4078 [Mm-hm.] 3749.7575 3538 DCB_int_01 3749.8648 I think I know where you're talking about. 3750.8626 3539 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3750.8720 Okay. And that's the carry out that we always went to. And we went to this other carry out, where the- the lady was killed actually, 3756.3777 3540 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3756.3777 (pause 0.11) 3756.4849 3541 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3756.4849 where we went to go get uh, fish sandwiches. 3758.1962 3542 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3758.1962 (pause 0.22) 3758.4154 3543 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3758.4154 I don't remember what it's called, 3758.9982 3544 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3758.9982 (pause 0.71) 3759.7058 3545 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3759.7058 [but-] 3759.8877 3546 DCB_int_01 3759.8877 Okay, well 3760.3913 3547 DCB_int_01 3760.3913 (pause 0.15) 3760.5405 3548 DCB_int_01 3760.5405 s- 3760.6757 3549 DCB_int_01 3760.6757 (pause 0.11) 3760.7876 3550 DCB_int_01 3760.7876 [Um,] when was the last time you had some mumbo sauce? 3762.9419 3551 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3760.8016 [Um-] 3761.1420 3552 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3763.5621 I actually had mumbo sauce when I took /RD-NAME-1/ to DC 3765.4401 3553 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3765.4401 (pause 0.33) 3765.7711 3554 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3765.7711 um, 3766.1955 3555 DCB_int_01 3766.3353 Hm. 3766.4846 3556 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3766.6524 about a month ago. 3767.2959 3557 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3767.2959 (pause 0.26) 3767.5524 3558 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3767.5524 Um, 3767.9207 3559 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3767.9207 (pause 0.23) 3768.1539 3560 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3768.1539 and people from here don't like it for some reason. Say, I don't like sweet chicken, and it tastes funny, and no- 3772.5234 3561 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3772.5234 (pause 0.17) 3772.6944 3562 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3772.6944 Mm. 3772.9555 3563 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3772.9555 (pause 0.11) 3773.0674 3564 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3773.0674 They don't know what mumbo sauce is. Um, 3774.3730 3565 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3774.3730 (pause 0.52) 3774.8953 3566 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3774.8953 and the 3775.6227 3567 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3775.6227 (pause 0.21) 3775.8372 3568 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3775.8372 Top China out here has mumbo sauce, but it doesn't taste like the Mumbo sauce in DC. 3779.4078 3569 DCB_int_01 3779.8788 Is- okay. So now, let me ask you 3781.7066 3570 DCB_int_01 3781.7066 (pause 0.36) 3782.0703 3571 DCB_int_01 3782.0703 cause I've gotten 3782.6672 3572 DCB_int_01 3782.6672 (pause 0.23) 3782.8945 3573 DCB_int_01 3782.8945 a variety of 3783.7851 3574 DCB_int_01 3783.7851 (pause 0.48) 3784.2701 3575 DCB_int_01 3784.2701 answers. 3784.7410 3576 DCB_int_01 3784.7410 (pause 0.43) 3785.1700 3577 DCB_int_01 3785.1700 Now the carry out, is that different from like the Chinese 3788.0796 3578 DCB_int_01 3788.0796 (pause 0.28) 3788.3548 3579 DCB_int_01 3788.3548 restaurant? 3788.8723 3580 DCB_int_01 3788.8723 (pause 0.42) 3789.2909 3581 DCB_int_01 3789.2909 Or is that the same thing for you? 3790.5871 3582 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3791.2819 Like if I- when I equate the word carry out? 3793.4408 3583 DCB_int_01 3793.4362 Mm-hm. 3793.7532 3584 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3795.8970 And I say, no. It's different 3797.2959 3585 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3797.2959 (pause 0.39) 3797.6876 3586 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3797.6876 because of being in Virginia. 3798.8580 3587 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3798.8580 (pause 0.34) 3799.1937 3588 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3799.1937 The [Chinese] restaurant here- Chinese 3801.5625 3589 DCB_int_01 3799.2963 [Okay, so-] 3799.7532 3590 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3801.7571 here is 3802.5638 3591 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3802.5638 (pause 0.30) 3802.8622 3592 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3802.8622 strict Chinese food, and they sell 3804.8486 3593 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3804.8486 (pause 0.79) 3805.6367 3594 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3805.6367 fried chicken too. 3806.3314 3595 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3806.3314 (pause 0.67) 3807.0064 3596 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3807.0064 But the carry out in DC, you know, you had your- your fish sandwiches, your uh, fried chicken, your soul food, your collard greens. 3814.1768 3597 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3814.1768 (pause 0.52) 3814.6990 3598 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3814.6990 That's what was at our carry out. 3816.0933 3599 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3816.0933 (pause 0.50) 3816.5922 3600 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3816.5922 Um, 3816.9699 3601 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3816.9699 (pause 0.14) 3817.1144 3602 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3817.1144 and if- I think they sold tuna salad as well actually at that [carry out.] 3820.3587 3603 DCB_int_01 3819.9670 [] 3820.3913 3604 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3820.7597 I (laughing) don't remember. 3821.7902 3605 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3821.7902 (pause 0.39) 3822.1818 3606 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3822.1818 Um, 3822.6015 3607 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3822.6015 (pause 0.17) 3822.7740 3608 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3822.7740 and then you know your french fries. And as a child, I didn't like french fries for some crazy reason, so I never ate the french fries. 3827.0488 3609 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3827.0488 (pause 0.47) 3827.5197 3610 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3827.5197 [Um-] 3827.9301 3611 DCB_int_01 3827.6363 [Mm.] 3827.9254 3612 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3828.4570 But I've noticed in DC too, you know, they have like, the crinkly 3830.7977 3613 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3830.7977 (pause 0.13) 3830.9236 3614 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3830.9236 french [fries.] Um, and out here they have the straight 3832.9695 3615 DCB_int_01 3831.1463 [Mm-hm.] 3831.5939 3616 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3833.1513 like 3833.4544 3617 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3833.4544 (pause 0.21) 3833.6596 3618 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3833.6596 shoe 3833.9767 3619 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3833.9767 (pause 0.39) 3834.3637 3620 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3834.3637 french fries. But I never 3835.5197 3621 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3835.5197 (pause 0.09) 3835.6134 3622 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3835.6134 liked them. I still don't like them to this day. 3837.0169 3623 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3837.0169 (pause 0.44) 3837.4599 3624 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3837.4599 Um, 3837.8830 3625 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3837.8830 (pause 0.66) 3838.5405 3626 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3838.5405 but you know, you add your hot sauce and your ketchup and all that stuff, but 3841.1611 3627 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3841.1611 (pause 0.67) 3841.8325 3628 DCB_se2_ag2_f_02 3841.8325 yeah. 3841.9817