Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DCB_int_01 0.3209 Um, what's your birthday /RD-NAME-2/? 1.5893 2 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1.7152 July seventh, nineteen eighty. One sixteen PM. 4.3217 3 DCB_int_01 4.9419 Okay. [Um], great. One sixteen [to be exact.] Do you remember which uh, bassinet you were placed in? 11.6493 4 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 5.6142 [] 6.3645 5 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 6.3645 (pause 1.69) 8.0555 6 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 8.0555 [Mm-hm.] 8.5265 7 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 8.5265 (pause 3.07) 11.5947 8 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 11.5947 I was third from [the left at Sibley Memorial Hospital in Southeast DC.] 15.5150 9 DCB_int_01 12.5774 [] 15.5104 10 DCB_int_01 16.1305 And what's your hometown? 17.5574 11 DCB_int_01 17.5574 (pause 0.22) 17.7812 12 DCB_int_01 17.7812 /Of/ [DC.] 18.4433 13 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 18.2102 [Washington] DC. 18.9504 14 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 19.1136 Yup. 19.3188 15 DCB_int_01 19.8690 Um, what neighborhood do you kind of claim as your own? 22.6201 16 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 22.8999 Deanwood. 23.3988 17 DCB_int_01 23.6227 Deanwood. 24.2399 18 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 24.2568 Mm-hm. 24.6205 19 DCB_int_01 27.8088 And you've lived here all your life? 28.9932 20 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 29.1396 Yup. 29.3895 21 DCB_int_01 31.0437 Um, have you lived any other places, including college? 34.0140 22 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 34.1072 Um, ten years in Baltimore, Maryland, 36.3501 23 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 36.3501 (pause 0.50) 36.8525 24 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 36.8525 um, 37.6126 25 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 37.6126 (pause 2.19) 39.7995 26 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 39.7995 and a six month span in Richmond, Virginia. 43.6545 27 DCB_int_01 50.5918 Where'd you go to school? 51.3145 28 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 51.9440 Uh, started at /RD-SCHOOL-5/ University during that six month span. 55.7944 29 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 55.7944 (pause 0.59) 56.3819 30 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 56.3819 Didn't quite pan out, 57.5710 31 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 57.5710 (pause 0.44) 58.0093 32 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 58.0093 came back home and got my uh, two year from /RD-SCHOOL-3/ Community College. 63.0254 33 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 63.0254 (pause 1.20) 64.2238 34 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 64.2238 Have not 64.6808 35 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 64.6808 (pause 0.62) 65.3009 36 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 65.3009 finished beyond there. 66.3687 37 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 66.3687 (pause 0.22) 66.5914 38 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 66.5914 It's a goal. 67.1789 39 DCB_int_01 72.9691 And what's your current- I'm- 74.2281 40 DCB_int_01 74.2281 (pause 0.28) 74.5078 41 DCB_int_01 74.5078 I'm not sure what your status is on your current occupation situation? 77.8232 42 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 77.8558 78.3967 43 DCB_int_01 78.4060 79.2873 44 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 79.2815 So I'm currently the program [director] 81.9300 45 DCB_int_01 81.6223 [Okay.] 82.3170 46 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 82.4523 at the /RD-WORK-7/ 84.1589 47 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 84.1589 (pause 0.23) 84.3920 48 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 84.3920 /RD-WORK-10/. 86.1935 49 DCB_int_01 87.4404 And 88.2145 50 DCB_int_01 88.2145 (pause 0.41) 88.6201 51 DCB_int_01 88.6201 now I'm gonna ask some- a few questions about your parents, and then we'll get started kind of- this is just a 92.9517 52 DCB_int_01 92.9517 (pause 1.09) 94.0373 53 DCB_int_01 94.0373 background. 94.6061 54 DCB_int_01 94.6061 (pause 0.91) 95.5154 55 DCB_int_01 95.5154 Where was your father born? 96.5599 56 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 96.9598 Father was born in Cordele, Georgia. 98.6198 57 DCB_int_01 99.1653 Whoa! [That's my] neck of the woods! [Exit ninety nine.] 102.3874 58 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 99.9906 [Mm-hm.] 100.4709 59 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 100.4709 (pause 0.61) 101.0771 60 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 101.0771 [Mm-hm.] 101.8731 61 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 102.5448 Yup. 102.8292 62 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 102.8292 (pause 0.33) 103.1556 63 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 103.1556 Cordele, Georgia. 104.5312 64 DCB_int_01 104.5824 Whatchu know about [Georgia?] 105.9720 65 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 105.5990 [] 106.9232 66 DCB_int_01 106.0839 [Where was your mom] born? 107.3102 67 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 107.4968 Winston Salem, North Carolina. 109.0775 68 DCB_int_01 109.7245 Oh. Okay, that's a story. I'll get that in a [moment.] 112.3310 69 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 111.9440 [Yup.] 112.2564 70 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 112.6761 Just starting to get to know my father's side of the family, too. 115.1463 71 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 115.1463 (pause 0.23) 115.3748 72 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 115.3748 [/I just-/] 115.8737 73 DCB_int_01 115.4773 [What did your father] do or what does he do? 116.9135 74 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 117.0907 Uh, he's a janitor for DC public schools. 119.3895 75 DCB_int_01 119.3895 So he's here? 120.0843 76 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 120.1251 Yup. 120.3582 77 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 120.3582 (pause 0.64) 120.9971 78 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 120.9971 Mm-hm. Yeah, most people don't- 122.5078 79 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 122.5078 (pause 0.47) 122.9741 80 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 122.9741 because he is not as spoken of as th- my mother, the [queen], 126.4806 81 DCB_int_01 126.0843 [As queen.] Mm-mm. 127.3934 82 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 127.4400 um- 128.0042 83 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 128.0042 (pause 0.22) 128.2234 84 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 128.2234 I remember when I went away to school, 130.1165 85 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 130.1165 (pause 0.13) 130.2424 86 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 130.2424 and I had a friend of mine's, oh, I guess your mom's gonna have to get a boyfriend now. 133.5193 87 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 133.5193 (pause 0.79) 134.3073 88 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 134.3073 Hey, no my dad lives at home. 135.8368 89 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 135.8368 (pause 0.54) 136.3730 90 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 136.3730 [So he's very c-] 137.1284 91 DCB_int_01 136.4383 [Are your parents married?] 137.5673 92 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 137.5387 Yeah. 137.8418 93 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 138.4293 Married, uh, 139.4260 94 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 139.4260 (pause 0.29) 139.7198 95 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 139.7198 thir- um- uh- I'm thirty five- 141.4358 96 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 141.4358 (pause 0.28) 141.7109 97 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 141.7109 Thirty one [years.] 142.7181 98 DCB_int_01 142.3031 [No] 143.1517 99 DCB_int_01 143.4361 clue, /RD-NAME-2/. 144.2321 100 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 144.2428 Thirty one years. 145.1183 101 DCB_int_01 145.1369 No clue. 145.7804 102 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 145.8410 Yeah. 146.2327 103 DCB_int_01 146.8342 What? 147.3658 104 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 147.3845 Yeah. 147.8414 105 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 147.8414 (pause 0.34) 148.1818 106 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 148.1818 He is um- 149.2123 107 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 149.2123 (pause 0.59) 149.8045 108 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 149.8045 So there's two sides of it. He's very quiet, very quiet reserved person. 153.1933 109 DCB_int_01 153.0674 /You know/ you didn't get that from him. 154.2518 110 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 154.3217 No. 155.1377 111 DCB_int_01 155.1937 Mm-mm. 155.5341 112 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 155.4688 Um, 156.0936 113 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 156.3034 but then we have had- 157.9763 114 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 157.9763 (pause 0.63) 158.6058 115 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 158.6058 Our, you know, relationship has had its 161.3615 116 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 161.3615 (pause 0.44) 161.7998 117 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 161.7998 journey, 162.3734 118 DCB_int_01 162.4375 Mm-hm. 162.7732 119 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 162.7546 and because of that, 163.6592 120 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 164.0649 /and/ I don't always speak of 165.9906 121 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 165.9906 (pause 0.86) 166.8533 122 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 166.8533 my father. So, 167.7998 123 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 167.7998 (pause 0.66) 168.4573 124 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 168.4573 we at a 168.8164 125 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 168.8164 (pause 0.59) 169.4027 126 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 169.4027 decent place 170.1488 127 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 170.1488 (pause 0.27) 170.4192 128 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 170.4192 now, 170.7177 129 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 170.7177 (pause 0.14) 170.8529 130 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 170.8529 but 171.0534 131 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 171.0534 (pause 0.77) 171.8274 132 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 171.8274 I don't speak of him as much because he just wasn't as much of a part. 174.6765 133 DCB_int_01 175.1556 As mom. 175.7291 134 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 175.7851 Nah. 176.0555 135 DCB_int_01 176.2933 What did mom do? Cause I- Mom's retired now, [right?] 178.4663 136 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 178.2331 [Yup.] She was a- uh, executive assistant for DC public schools [for thirty-] 182.4799 137 DCB_int_01 181.6266 [Mm, so y'all] all up in [DPS?] 183.5104 138 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 183.1140 [Oh yeah.] 183.5290 139 DCB_int_01 183.7715 I mean [DCPS.] 184.6461 140 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 184.4663 [DCPS.] Yup. 185.2496 141 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 185.3802 Thirty seven years. 186.3407 142 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 186.3407 (pause 0.48) 186.8245 143 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 186.8245 She worked all over the place, superintendent's office, the board of education's office, local schools. 192.2779 144 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 192.2779 (pause 0.63) 192.9038 145 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 192.9038 Did a little bit of everything. 193.7291 146 DCB_int_01 194.3773 So, 195.1700 147 DCB_int_01 195.1700 (pause 0.23) 195.3985 148 DCB_int_01 195.3985 alright. So let's- let's back up. 196.8160 149 DCB_int_01 196.8160 (pause 0.76) 197.5714 150 DCB_int_01 197.5714 First of all, 198.1869 151 DCB_int_01 198.1869 (pause 0.17) 198.3582 152 DCB_int_01 198.3582 Cordele and Winston [Salem.] 200.0789 153 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 199.9017 [Mm-hm.] 200.4659 154 DCB_int_01 200.7363 Um, 201.7249 155 DCB_int_01 201.7249 (pause 0.58) 202.3031 156 DCB_int_01 202.3031 that's the seventy five eighty five corridor. They 204.3547 157 DCB_int_01 204.3547 (pause 0.22) 204.5774 158 DCB_int_01 204.5774 kind of ain't really that connected. How'd your parents meet? 206.9088 159 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 207.7155 They met uh, through my 209.6460 160 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 209.6460 (pause 0.22) 209.8651 161 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 209.8651 uh, mother's sister. 210.9329 162 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 210.9329 (pause 0.87) 211.7991 163 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 211.7991 And my father 212.7410 164 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 212.7410 (pause 0.36) 213.1000 165 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 213.1000 was friends with a mutual friend, 214.6574 166 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 214.6574 (pause 0.25) 214.9092 167 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 214.9092 and when they moved here to DC- 216.6205 168 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 216.6205 (pause 0.45) 217.0670 169 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 217.0670 Uh, my mom moved to DC when she was six or seven, 220.4756 170 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 220.4756 (pause 0.67) 221.1470 171 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 221.1470 and uh, they 222.4387 172 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 222.4387 (pause 0.35) 222.7872 173 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 222.7872 met through some mutual friends, went out on a date, and 225.1094 174 DCB_int_01 225.7637 [The rest-] 225.9875 175 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 225.7948 the rest was [history.] 226.5782 176 DCB_int_01 226.1678 [And here you] are. 226.8859 177 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 227.0538 Here I am. 227.5481 178 DCB_int_01 227.6320 [Um], okay. So they met in DC. 229.5519 179 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 227.7206 [Yup.] 227.9864 180 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 229.6079 [Mm-hm.] 229.8504 181 DCB_int_01 229.8690 Okay. 230.2560 182 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 230.3540 [Yeah.] 230.5405 183 DCB_int_01 230.4985 [So] how- how did mom come to- Was it 232.2797 184 DCB_int_01 232.7041 like, 233.0072 185 DCB_int_01 233.0072 (pause 0.33) 233.3382 186 DCB_int_01 233.3382 grandma and grandpa decided y'all was coming to DC? 235.3841 187 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 235.3934 Yeah, they- they moved there from Winston Salem. Like I said, she was about six or seven, 238.6201 188 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 238.6201 (pause 0.41) 239.0351 189 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 239.0351 um, just to pursue new opportunities, new things, 242.1768 190 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 242.1768 (pause 0.40) 242.5731 191 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 242.5731 and landed in DC. And- 244.3404 192 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 244.3404 (pause 0.14) 244.4756 193 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 244.4756 and my mom is one of 246.7138 194 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 246.7138 (pause 1.72) 248.4379 195 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 248.4379 five. 249.0534 196 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 249.0534 (pause 0.48) 249.5290 197 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 249.5290 One of five, 250.1026 198 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 250.1026 (pause 0.57) 250.6714 199 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 250.6714 and uh, they just, you know, wanted to seek some new opportunities 254.2094 200 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 254.2094 (pause 0.61) 254.8156 201 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 254.8156 and came to DC. 255.5244 202 DCB_int_01 255.6922 How'd dad end up here? 256.6808 203 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 256.9605 Um, same deal. 258.0377 204 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 258.0377 (pause 0.16) 258.2009 205 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 258.2009 Um, my dad is one of sixteen. 260.5312 206 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 260.5312 (pause 0.71) 261.2399 207 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 261.2399 [] Yeah. 263.7672 208 DCB_int_01 262.1627 [Hm. Wow.] 263.1032 209 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 264.0143 And um, just in search of some new opportunities, to do some new things. And he ended up coming up with a friend of his 270.7697 210 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 270.7697 (pause 0.62) 271.3887 211 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 271.3887 and [was-] 272.1441 212 DCB_int_01 271.7012 [Oh this was a] decision he made as an adult. 273.5010 213 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 273.5010 Yeah yeah [yeah. So he was-] 274.8206 214 DCB_int_01 273.8974 [Oh he didn't do this as a] child. Okay. 275.3196 215 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 275.4128 Yeah, he was a little bit- 278.0322 216 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 278.0322 (pause 0.27) 278.3027 217 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 278.3027 Let's see. 278.9042 218 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 278.9042 (pause 0.11) 279.0114 219 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 279.0114 When they- 279.5803 220 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 279.5803 (pause 2.83) 282.4107 221 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 282.4107 Twenties 283.4400 222 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 283.4400 (pause 0.23) 283.6685 223 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 283.6685 when they met. 284.1908 224 DCB_int_01 284.9322 Okay. 285.3238 225 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 285.2959 Yeah, met- 285.8135 226 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 285.9580 mid to late twenties when they met. 287.2030 227 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 287.2030 (pause 0.49) 287.6926 228 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 287.6926 And um- 288.5086 229 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 288.5086 (pause 1.08) 289.5892 230 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 289.5892 Yeah cause they were all family- All my other 291.3938 231 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 291.3938 (pause 0.29) 291.6876 232 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 291.6876 family on his side is basically still down south. 293.6879 233 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 293.6879 (pause 0.68) 294.3641 234 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 294.3641 He's a- 294.6252 235 DCB_int_01 294.6578 [Cordele?] 295.1587 236 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 294.9831 [one] of 295.4121 237 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 295.7105 three who came up north 297.1327 238 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 297.1327 (pause 0.54) 297.6689 239 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 297.6689 in Cordele. 298.3450 240 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 298.3450 (pause 0.14) 298.4802 241 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 298.4802 [Cordele], 299.1843 242 DCB_int_01 298.4849 [In Cordele.] 299.1890 243 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 299.5807 Raleigh, 300.3920 244 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 300.3920 (pause 0.55) 300.9411 245 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 300.9411 um, 301.5519 246 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 301.5519 (pause 1.52) 303.0767 247 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 303.0767 couple other places down around about 304.9745 248 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 304.9745 (pause 0.31) 305.2823 249 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 305.2823 those parts. 306.0610 250 DCB_int_01 307.0577 So have you traveled a lot? Like, 309.0347 251 DCB_int_01 309.0347 (pause 0.14) 309.1793 252 DCB_int_01 309.1793 have you- do you go 310.3310 253 DCB_int_01 310.3310 (pause 0.19) 310.5175 254 DCB_int_01 310.5175 down South and see them? Are you 312.3174 255 DCB_int_01 312.3174 (pause 0.23) 312.5506 256 DCB_int_01 312.5506 pretty much 313.4494 257 DCB_int_01 313.4494 (pause 0.47) 313.9203 258 DCB_int_01 313.9203 whatever's happening around the District that's what's happening. 316.3433 259 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 316.2965 Yeah, that's basically what's happening. We had our first family reunion for that side of that family 321.4264 260 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 321.8787 last July. 322.7041 261 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 322.7041 (pause 0.54) 323.2450 262 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 323.2450 Uh, first time I had seen 324.8490 263 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 324.8490 (pause 0.16) 325.0064 264 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 325.0064 them- 325.5986 265 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 325.5986 (pause 0.31) 325.9063 266 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 325.9063 I've only been down South once before and I was 328.5455 267 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 328.5455 (pause 0.21) 328.7554 268 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 328.7554 four. 329.3336 269 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 329.3336 (pause 0.32) 329.6553 270 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 329.6553 Three or four. 330.3034 271 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 330.3034 (pause 0.48) 330.7872 272 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 330.7872 /Had/- And it was the only time I met my paternal grandfather 333.5570 273 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 333.5570 (pause 0.28) 333.8368 274 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 333.8368 uh, it was during that time. He died not too long after I- we- that visit 336.8910 275 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 336.8910 (pause 0.31) 337.2022 276 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 337.2022 uh, when I was three. 338.0649 277 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 338.0649 (pause 0.61) 338.6757 278 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 338.6757 Uh, but hadn't seen any of that part of the family with the exception of 342.4340 279 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 342.4340 (pause 0.50) 342.9364 280 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 342.9364 one uncle and his wife who moved to New Jersey, 345.5896 281 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 345.5896 (pause 0.45) 346.0419 282 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 346.0419 and one uncle and his wife who had moved to Ohio. 349.3468 283 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 349.3468 (pause 0.59) 349.9343 284 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 349.9343 Other than that, hadn't seen any of these folks in- 352.3264 285 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 352.3264 (pause 0.35) 352.6714 286 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 352.6714 from- 353.0398 287 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 353.0398 (pause 0.27) 353.3056 288 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 353.3056 almost thirty years 354.5226 289 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 354.5226 (pause 0.58) 355.1043 290 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 355.1043 until last July, 356.2141 291 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 356.2141 (pause 0.43) 356.6477 292 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 356.6477 uh, which was an interesting experience. 358.6388 293 DCB_int_01 358.8346 Where was it? 359.4688 294 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 359.6133 Uh, in Raleigh. 360.5879 295 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 360.5879 (pause 0.64) 361.2302 296 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 361.2302 Um, and then we're planning for the next one which is this- No, next summer, 364.7740 297 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 364.7740 (pause 0.39) 365.1657 298 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 365.1657 which will be here in the DC area. 366.7231 299 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 366.7231 (pause 0.70) 367.4214 300 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 367.4214 So [now I get to help host.] I'm on the- 369.1746 301 DCB_int_01 367.6545 [Oh you on the committee?] 368.5824 302 DCB_int_01 369.5896 You [always on the committee. You d- You- You the eternal] on the [committee man.] 373.8877 303 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 369.8181 [I'm on the committee. /I get trapped in-/] 372.1822 304 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 372.1822 (pause 1.09) 373.2768 305 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 373.2768 [Mm-hm.] 373.9110 306 DCB_int_01 374.2700 Mm-hm. Any [/the/ committee], you the- 375.9393 307 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 374.7721 [But it's interesting.] 375.6409 308 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 376.2704 Yeah, I mean it's interesting just like, [reconnecting] 378.4731 309 DCB_int_01 378.0796 [Then with] it- yeah. 379.2216 310 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 379.2288 with family. And I [think especially-] Yeah. Especially because 382.6295 311 DCB_int_01 379.9716 [After thirty years.] 380.9694 312 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 383.3056 my relationship with my father is what it is, 385.9576 313 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 385.9576 (pause 0.14) 386.1022 314 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 386.1022 and has not always been the best, 388.2145 315 DCB_int_01 388.2611 Mm-hm. 388.6434 316 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 388.6761 reconnecting with that part of the family was 390.7930 317 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 390.7930 (pause 0.99) 391.7851 318 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 391.7851 weird at first. 393.1979 319 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 393.1979 (pause 0.45) 393.6456 320 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 393.6456 Um, but refreshing. 394.8424 321 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 394.8424 (pause 0.48) 395.3242 322 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 395.3242 And I remember sitting- We had the little banquet that night, and 397.9949 323 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 397.9949 (pause 0.29) 398.2887 324 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 398.2887 they actually went through the lineage. And to be in a room and- 401.2123 325 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 401.2123 (pause 0.62) 401.8278 326 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 401.8278 and to be- feel connected, 403.0215 327 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 403.0215 (pause 0.44) 403.4633 328 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 403.4633 was, you know, the- All the other stuff from me and my father went out the window 406.9699 329 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 406.9699 (pause 0.32) 407.2869 330 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 407.2869 because I realized the connect- 408.6205 331 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 408.6205 (pause 0.32) 408.9364 332 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 408.9364 the connection that I had with, 410.5218 333 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 410.5218 (pause 0.27) 410.7876 334 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 410.7876 you know, 411.0627 335 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 411.0627 (pause 0.36) 411.4218 336 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 411.4218 eight 411.6176 337 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 411.6176 (pause 0.34) 411.9580 338 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 411.9580 generations of people. 413.1657 339 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 413.1657 (pause 0.48) 413.6506 340 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 413.6506 And they're tracing and going back and looking and seeing that this and this and this and this. 417.2166 341 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 417.2166 (pause 0.45) 417.6689 342 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 417.6689 So, 418.0513 343 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 418.0513 (pause 0.42) 418.4709 344 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 418.4709 it was interesting. 419.2963 345 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 419.2963 (pause 0.34) 419.6320 346 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 419.6320 Humbling, I'll say. 420.6345 347 DCB_int_01 420.9364 So, okay. So let's go back to your childhood kind of here. 424.5036 348 DCB_int_01 424.5036 (pause 0.56) 425.0678 349 DCB_int_01 425.0678 Um, do you remember your neighborhood? Where you grew up- the house or apartment that you grew up in? And how was like- how was- 430.7647 350 DCB_int_01 430.7647 (pause 0.29) 431.0584 351 DCB_int_01 431.0584 And how many brothers and sisters do you have? I don't think- 433.0996 352 DCB_int_01 433.0996 (pause 0.22) 433.3188 353 DCB_int_01 433.3188 Are you an only [child?] 434.1022 354 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 433.7105 [I am an] only child [by] birth. 435.7575 355 DCB_int_01 435.1327 [Mm.] 435.3192 356 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 436.6714 Only child by birth- And that was- I had a weird 438.7744 357 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 438.7744 (pause 0.90) 439.6732 358 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 439.6732 upbringing in the sense that 441.0721 359 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 441.0721 (pause 1.68) 442.7554 360 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 442.7554 most of my life, school, church, [everything] else, 446.5032 361 DCB_int_01 445.7159 [Mm.] 446.0461 362 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 446.8622 was inside the city, 448.1492 363 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 448.1492 (pause 0.48) 448.6248 364 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 448.6248 but we always lived right outside of DC in 451.1568 365 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 451.1568 (pause 0.75) 451.9100 366 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 451.9100 Chillum, Maryland, which is maybe like- 453.9533 367 DCB_int_01 454.2164 [Mm-hm.] 454.5257 368 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 454.3497 [it was, you] know, right across- 455.5714 369 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 456.0050 right across the Eastern Avenue, 457.6592 370 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 457.6592 (pause 0.59) 458.2467 371 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 458.2467 right across that line. 459.1750 372 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 459.1750 (pause 0.37) 459.5430 373 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 459.5430 Um, 459.9953 374 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 459.9953 (pause 0.17) 460.1678 375 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 460.1678 and so I was- it was a weird thing. 461.6366 376 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 461.6366 (pause 0.46) 462.0936 377 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 462.0936 The elementary school I went to- 464.2374 378 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 464.2374 (pause 0.34) 464.5778 379 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 464.5778 Um, if DCPS ever found this out, they would probably send me a really big tuition bill, 468.4480 380 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 468.4480 (pause 0.60) 469.0437 381 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 469.0437 Um, I wasn't supposed to go to cause I wasn't a DC resident. 471.6689 382 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 471.6689 (pause 0.68) 472.3497 383 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 472.3497 Uh, [but I went.] 473.3374 384 DCB_int_01 472.7647 [Which elementary] school? 473.6040 385 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 473.8045 [/RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary on Division Avenue. 475.8317 386 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 475.8317 (pause 0.77) 476.6011 387 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 476.6011 Um, 477.3145 388 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 477.3145 (pause 0.21) 477.5244 389 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 477.5244 in Northeast and Deanwood. 478.6994 390 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 478.6994 (pause 0.52) 479.2216 391 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 479.2216 Um- 479.8092 392 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 479.8092 (pause 0.75) 480.5587 393 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 480.5587 [/Had this humble history/.] 481.7792 394 DCB_int_01 480.6592 [But I've seen Division Avenue], so I think 482.2511 395 DCB_int_01 482.5638 if I just 483.1874 396 DCB_int_01 483.1874 (pause 0.30) 483.4824 397 DCB_int_01 483.4824 follow that little- 484.1958 398 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 484.3217 [Mm-hm.] 484.6155 399 DCB_int_01 484.4942 [I] probably would- Okay. 485.2799 400 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 485.2651 Yup. So it's kind of like, in the middle of the hill. 487.2442 401 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 487.9203 Um, 488.5731 402 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 488.5731 (pause 0.47) 489.0394 403 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 489.0394 because my mother worked at /-WORK-1/ Elementary School, which is around the corner, 493.2582 404 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 493.2582 (pause 0.43) 493.6918 405 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 493.6918 she had a relationship, 494.6804 406 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 494.6804 (pause 0.16) 494.8389 407 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 494.8389 um- she actually went to the principal at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ 497.3149 408 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 497.3149 (pause 0.40) 497.7113 409 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 497.7113 and just flat out asked, 499.0799 410 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 499.0799 (pause 0.27) 499.3468 411 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 499.3468 can my son come? /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was a historic school, 501.8508 412 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 501.8508 (pause 0.51) 502.3590 413 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 502.3590 great leadership, /RD-NAME-5/, 504.4655 414 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 504.4655 (pause 0.21) 504.6707 415 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 504.6707 the greatest principal that ever walked the face of the Earth, 506.6291 416 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 506.6291 (pause 0.55) 507.1746 417 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 507.1746 um- 507.7482 418 DCB_int_01 507.7715 What made him so great? 508.7833 419 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 509.1564 Just 509.7439 420 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 509.7439 (pause 0.21) 509.9526 421 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 509.9526 he was 511.3328 422 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 511.3328 (pause 0.63) 511.9623 423 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 511.9623 what you think of when you think like, old school teacher and [administrator.] 515.1284 424 DCB_int_01 514.4600 [Mm. Mm-hm.] 515.3522 425 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 515.5574 Um, he was a- a- 516.8537 426 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 516.8537 (pause 0.15) 517.0008 427 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 517.0008 he's like a grandfather type. 518.2794 428 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 518.2794 (pause 0.40) 518.6804 429 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 518.6804 He didn't play any games, 520.1165 430 DCB_int_01 520.2751 [Like /RD-NAME-2/?] 521.0177 431 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 520.2937 [um, but he-] Like /RD-NAME-2/. 522.0085 432 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 522.2277 He was a /RD-NAME-2/ for elementary school kids. 524.2514 433 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 524.2514 (pause 0.17) 524.4192 434 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 524.4192 It was a little [toned down.] 525.4404 435 DCB_int_01 524.7456 [That's intense.] 525.8886 436 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 525.7295 [It was a little-] But he was a little toned down, so it wasn't, you know, 528.1589 437 DCB_int_01 528.1682 Oh, [okay.] 528.6765 438 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 528.4760 [so] like, /uh/, 529.5753 439 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 529.9763 but [there was-] 530.6949 440 DCB_int_01 530.1162 [I need you not] to be six and having /RD-NAME-2/ [/or I will/] 532.4646 441 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 531.9254 [] 533.0305 442 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 533.4222 But it was good. I mean, 534.5366 443 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 534.5366 (pause 0.17) 534.7080 444 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 534.7080 /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was the first school to do all day pre kin- all day kindergarten 539.0864 445 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 539.0864 (pause 0.39) 539.4781 446 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 539.4781 in DC public schools. It was the first school to do 542.6011 447 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 542.6011 (pause 0.41) 543.0077 448 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 543.0077 a mandatory uniform policy 544.5943 449 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 544.5943 (pause 0.41) 545.0072 450 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 545.0072 um, in the city schools. 546.2941 451 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 546.2941 (pause 0.49) 546.7872 452 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 546.7872 Um, a lot of firsts. And then- some issues with, you know- 549.8601 453 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 549.8601 (pause 0.44) 550.2984 454 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 550.2984 I think at that time, 551.5481 455 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 551.5481 (pause 0.37) 551.9211 456 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 551.9211 a uniform- 552.8257 457 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 552.8257 (pause 0.27) 553.0996 458 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 553.0996 uniform policies 554.6664 459 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 554.6664 (pause 0.19) 554.8576 460 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 554.8576 were different than where I kind of look at them now, 556.8253 461 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 556.8253 (pause 0.35) 557.1704 462 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 557.1704 but there was a sense of unity and a sense of pride 559.3095 463 DCB_int_01 559.8155 [Mm. Mm-hm.] 560.7083 464 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 559.9250 [that Mr. /RD-NAME-2/] taught. 561.1513 465 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 561.4777 I mean, from the kindergarten 562.8533 466 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 562.8533 (pause 0.43) 563.2869 467 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 563.2869 through sixth grade, 564.1496 468 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 564.1496 (pause 0.14) 564.2848 469 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 564.2848 there was pride about 565.3701 470 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 565.3701 (pause 0.17) 565.5380 471 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 565.5380 tuck your shirt in. 566.5358 472 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 566.5358 (pause 0.14) 566.6804 473 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 566.6804 Where's your tie? 567.5663 474 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 567.5663 (pause 0.53) 568.0932 475 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 568.0932 Iron your blouse. 569.2683 476 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 569.2683 (pause 0.48) 569.7486 477 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 569.7486 And he corralled the community around that. There was a community around Deanwood that wrapped its r- arms around /RD-SCHOOL-2/, 575.0305 478 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 575.0305 (pause 0.55) 575.5760 479 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 575.5760 and um, 577.0122 480 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 577.0122 (pause 1.01) 578.0229 481 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 578.0229 he led them. 578.7503 482 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 578.7503 (pause 0.16) 578.9088 483 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 578.9088 And he was- he was the 580.2844 484 DCB_int_01 580.4849 Mm. 580.7142 485 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 580.7119 the shepherd 581.3395 486 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 581.8092 of a big flock. 582.6100 487 DCB_int_01 582.6660 Have you gone- I don't know if he's still alive [now, but] 585.3145 488 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 584.8629 [/Yeah./] 585.1754 489 DCB_int_01 585.7256 have- Did you ever go back and reconnect, even after you, 588.8905 490 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 589.7812 [Yeah.] 590.1542 491 DCB_int_01 589.8091 [you know.] 590.1542 492 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 590.5226 So my connection to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ still stays extremely strong. 593.3669 493 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 593.3669 (pause 0.46) 593.8286 494 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 593.8286 Um, 594.3508 495 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 594.3508 (pause 0.26) 594.6085 496 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 594.6085 594.7553 497 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 594.7553 (pause 0.49) 595.2449 498 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 595.2449 let's see. 595.8511 499 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 595.8511 (pause 0.24) 596.0889 500 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 596.0889 My fifth grade year, he retired 597.7676 501 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 597.7676 (pause 0.13) 597.8981 502 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 597.8981 [as] principal from- Well he left 599.9346 503 DCB_int_01 597.9429 [Mm.] 598.1066 504 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 600.3170 to take a job with the central office as a area superintendent 603.6929 505 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 603.6929 (pause 0.41) 604.1079 506 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 604.1079 cause he was the bomb. 604.8400 507 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 604.8400 (pause 0.80) 605.6374 508 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 605.6374 And so, I think- 607.3480 509 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 607.3480 (pause 0.30) 607.6505 510 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 607.6505 I can't remember how many years later, but he did eventually pass. 610.8260 511 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 610.8260 (pause 0.36) 611.1851 512 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 611.1851 And so there was a reunion of sorts where ever- everyone came back together. His protege, 615.4924 513 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 615.4924 (pause 0.41) 615.8981 514 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 615.8981 uh, was a nam- a lady by the name of /RD-NAME-5/, 618.1212 515 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 618.1212 (pause 0.15) 618.2750 516 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 618.2750 and she became principal my sixth grade year. 620.2101 517 DCB_int_01 620.2101 That name sounds very [familiar.] 622.0427 518 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 621.4831 [She is]- she was the female /RD-NAME-5/. 624.9838 519 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 625.6366 Uh, to this day, I can pick up my phone and call 628.7119 520 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 628.7119 (pause 0.42) 629.1291 521 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 629.1291 uh, Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/ and 630.6434 522 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 630.6434 (pause 0.46) 631.1004 523 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 631.1004 talk for hours and ask 632.6065 524 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 632.6065 (pause 0.56) 633.1707 525 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 633.1707 um- 633.6556 526 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 633.6556 (pause 0.17) 633.8235 527 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 633.8235 She- 634.5789 528 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 634.5789 (pause 1.65) 636.2331 529 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 636.2331 /RD-SCHOOL-2/- /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was a family, 637.9257 530 DCB_int_01 638.3920 [Mm.] 638.7480 531 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 638.4013 [and I was] there for eight years cause I started pre K all the way through sixth grade. 641.9125 532 DCB_int_01 642.0745 Hm. 642.3776 533 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 642.7227 And so 643.6273 534 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 643.6273 (pause 0.53) 644.1569 535 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 644.1569 I spent a lot of time with both- 645.4598 536 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 645.4598 (pause 0.19) 645.6463 537 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 645.6463 both of them. 646.2245 538 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 646.2245 (pause 0.32) 646.5416 539 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 646.5416 And so when he left, and she stepped in, there was a natural 649.0677 540 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 649.0677 (pause 0.51) 649.5807 541 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 649.5807 transition. 650.4153 542 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 650.4153 (pause 0.21) 650.6205 543 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 650.6205 So much so, that when I went 652.4157 544 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 652.4157 (pause 0.50) 652.9146 545 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 652.9146 to /RD-SCHOOL-5/ University after graduating high school 655.7299 546 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 655.7299 (pause 0.39) 656.1169 547 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 656.1169 and was not prepared to go away to school, was not prepared for college life, and told my mom, 660.2191 548 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 660.2191 (pause 0.41) 660.6248 549 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 660.6248 excuse my language, you have to come get me the hell out of here, 662.9795 550 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 662.9795 (pause 0.58) 663.5624 551 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 663.5624 I came back home. 664.7188 552 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 664.7188 (pause 0.63) 665.3483 553 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 665.3483 /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was the first place that I went. 666.7460 554 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 666.7460 (pause 0.41) 667.1517 555 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 667.1517 And Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/, who was still the principal said, 669.1381 556 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 669.1381 (pause 0.29) 669.4272 557 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 669.4272 come on, we gonna give you a job, and we gonna help you sort it out. 671.7866 558 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 671.7866 (pause 0.47) 672.2517 559 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 672.2517 First time I worked- 673.0631 560 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 673.0631 (pause 0.46) 673.5200 561 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 673.5200 had a- had a- other than like a summer job, had a working job, 676.4250 562 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 676.4250 (pause 0.20) 676.6255 563 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 676.6255 and I was the office clerk 677.6840 564 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 677.6840 (pause 0.56) 678.2471 565 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 678.2471 at /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 678.8288 566 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 678.8288 (pause 0.48) 679.3102 567 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 679.3102 But it was there 680.4383 568 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 680.4383 (pause 0.53) 680.9655 569 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 680.9655 that I learned 682.1610 570 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 682.1610 (pause 1.11) 683.2690 571 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 683.2690 that I had this thing in me to work with kids 685.5633 572 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 685.5633 (pause 0.85) 686.4153 573 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 686.4153 because in the office, 687.6883 574 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 687.6883 (pause 0.14) 687.8328 575 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 687.8328 teachers would send 688.8354 576 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 688.8354 (pause 0.70) 689.5348 577 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 689.5348 the bad 690.2004 578 DCB_int_01 690.2051 The [kid, yeah.] 691.3642 579 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 690.6154 [children.] 691.0491 580 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 691.7718 And so out of that, 692.7883 581 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 692.7883 (pause 0.36) 693.1474 582 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 693.1474 was born the Conflict Resolution and Peer Mediation Program 696.2330 583 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 696.2330 (pause 0.19) 696.4232 584 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 696.4232 at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ 697.0484 585 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 697.0484 (pause 0.45) 697.5014 586 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 697.5014 and Peace Day and the Peace March and the Peace Rally 701.0172 587 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 701.0172 (pause 0.31) 701.3296 588 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 701.3296 in our community. 702.2098 589 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 702.2098 (pause 0.49) 702.6994 590 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 702.6994 [And-] 703.2776 591 DCB_int_01 702.6994 [Why did I not-] Why am I [surpri- or not surprised that you had a hand] in that. 706.4017 592 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 703.9304 [] 705.9479 593 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 706.4390 706.9566 594 DCB_int_01 706.9693 Like, why? 707.5022 595 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 707.6094 But I mean, it goes back- even when I- when we graduated my sixth grade year, I got prin- the principal's award from Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/ and when she made her remarks- and I'll never forget this- she said I was the only student who- who had ever written her a memo. 717.5018 596 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 717.5018 (pause 0.95) 718.4530 597 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 718.4530 Sixth grade, wrote her a memo cause we wanted to do a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles play 722.1262 598 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 722.1262 (pause 0.48) 722.6065 599 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 722.6065 at school. And I wrote out the schedule, and this is what we wanna do. Do we have your approval? 727.1796 600 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 727.1796 (pause 0.80) 727.9817 601 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 727.9817 And so it was the only child that had ever written her a memo. 729.7489 602 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 729.7489 (pause 0.74) 730.4856 603 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 730.4856 Um, 730.9613 604 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 730.9613 (pause 0.36) 731.3191 605 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 731.3191 so all- it- there was a- 732.9372 606 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 732.9372 (pause 1.08) 734.0143 607 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 734.0143 I understood then 735.2127 608 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 735.2127 (pause 0.25) 735.4645 609 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 735.4645 what community looked like 736.7095 610 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 736.7095 (pause 0.35) 737.0642 611 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 737.0642 and what a school 738.1083 612 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 738.1083 (pause 0.74) 738.8532 613 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 738.8532 should [look like.] 739.4534 614 DCB_int_01 739.0870 [Look like.] 739.4548 615 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 739.7159 A 739.8931 616 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 739.8931 (pause 0.19) 740.0796 617 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 740.0796 school that was a hub in the community. 741.9681 618 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 741.9681 (pause 0.48) 742.4530 619 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 742.4530 Oddly enough, 743.3203 620 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 743.3203 (pause 0.27) 743.5907 621 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 743.5907 right across from the school was Tabernacle Baptist Church, 746.2195 622 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 746.2195 (pause 0.56) 746.7790 623 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 746.7790 which is where 747.5857 624 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 747.5857 (pause 1.31) 748.8960 625 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 748.8960 before and after care, vacation bible school, summer camp- 751.5620 626 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 751.5620 (pause 2.22) 753.7862 627 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 753.7862 I'm forgetting something else. 754.7561 628 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 754.7561 (pause 0.79) 755.5441 629 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 755.5441 All- all of that 756.5500 630 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 756.5500 (pause 0.60) 757.1470 631 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 757.1470 happened at the same time, so I started pre school, 759.9774 632 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 759.9774 (pause 0.43) 760.4064 633 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 760.4064 at Tabernacle's Child Development Center at three. 763.0584 634 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 763.0584 (pause 0.68) 763.7345 635 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 763.7345 And so it was a natural- They had a great partnership with /RD-SCHOOL-2/, so you had 767.1618 636 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 767.1618 (pause 0.44) 767.6001 637 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 767.6001 these two entities in this community, 769.8091 638 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 769.8091 (pause 0.19) 769.9956 639 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 769.9956 church and school, 771.0028 640 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 771.0028 (pause 0.94) 771.9447 641 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 771.9447 that was this beautiful picture, 773.5255 642 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 773.5255 (pause 0.30) 773.8274 643 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 773.8274 and 774.4382 644 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 774.4382 (pause 1.35) 775.7858 645 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 775.7858 you know, all of that stayed with me today and what community should look like, so. 779.2224 646 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 779.2224 (pause 0.33) 779.5534 647 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 779.5534 And I still /have-/ 780.1923 648 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 780.1923 (pause 0.33) 780.5222 649 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 780.5222 Now, /RD-SCHOOl-2/ has changed, broke my heart. 782.7697 650 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 782.7697 (pause 0.33) 783.1008 651 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 783.1008 When I went back, 784.0753 652 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 784.0753 (pause 0.41) 784.4903 653 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 784.4903 /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was the la- one of the last open space schools 787.9516 654 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 787.9516 (pause 0.47) 788.4246 655 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 788.4246 in DC to be converted 790.0985 656 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 790.0985 (pause 0.27) 790.3691 657 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 790.3691 to rooms. 791.3243 658 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 791.3243 (pause 0.98) 792.3030 659 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 792.3030 Um, 792.7227 660 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 792.7227 (pause 0.49) 793.2169 661 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 793.2169 I was fine with the open space school. We learned great. 796.0007 662 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 796.0007 (pause 0.27) 796.2720 663 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 796.2720 Apparently, 796.8400 664 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 796.8400 (pause 0.15) 796.9892 665 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 796.9892 children today don't do so well 798.5500 666 DCB_int_01 798.7273 Right. 799.0258 667 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 798.9838 and 799.4967 668 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 800.0003 children don't do so well 801.2360 669 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 801.2360 (pause 0.14) 801.3712 670 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 801.3712 in um- 802.7328 671 DCB_int_01 803.0965 We had a open space high school, and it was- 805.1050 672 DCB_int_01 805.1050 (pause 0.55) 805.6506 673 DCB_int_01 805.6506 [but-] 805.9863 674 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 805.6974 [It's-] 805.9123 675 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 806.7417 Yeah, different- different strokes, different folks, I guess. 808.9240 676 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 808.9240 (pause 0.97) 809.8985 677 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 809.8985 But um, 810.5500 678 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 810.5500 (pause 0.49) 811.0398 679 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 811.0398 now they have 812.5738 680 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 812.5738 (pause 0.23) 812.8023 681 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 812.8023 um, 813.3386 682 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 813.3386 (pause 0.83) 814.1639 683 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 814.1639 closed it in. 814.8447 684 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 814.8447 (pause 0.55) 815.3949 685 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 815.3949 There's new leadership, 816.2762 686 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 816.2762 (pause 0.64) 816.9139 687 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 816.9139 but when I walked 818.1215 688 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 818.1215 (pause 0.37) 818.4899 689 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 818.4899 into- and I had gone back a couple times. 820.8913 690 DCB_int_01 820.9222 Mm-hm. 821.1929 691 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 821.2131 I went- so, 822.1270 692 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 822.1270 (pause 0.31) 822.4382 693 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 822.4382 I went back to work there. 823.8185 694 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 823.8185 (pause 0.91) 824.7277 695 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 824.7277 Uh, I worked there for two years, 827.0545 696 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 827.0545 (pause 0.78) 827.8367 697 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 827.8367 and then I went back to s- went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Community College full time. 830.8023 698 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 830.8023 (pause 0.53) 831.3292 699 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 831.3292 But when I uh, 832.5882 700 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 832.5882 (pause 0.30) 832.8913 701 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 832.8913 needed some money, she said- Mrs. /RD-SCHOOL-2/ said, come on back. [You can] work and go to [school.] 836.3221 702 DCB_int_01 835.1843 [] 835.3708 703 DCB_int_01 835.3708 (pause 0.73) 836.1021 704 DCB_int_01 836.1021 [] 836.2287 705 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 836.6251 So I worked there total for four years, 838.2618 706 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 838.2618 (pause 0.21) 838.4670 707 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 838.4670 and you know, enjoyed it, 839.8052 708 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 839.8052 (pause 0.60) 840.4009 709 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 840.4009 great starting pl- point for me. 842.0283 710 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 842.0283 (pause 0.38) 842.4060 711 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 842.4060 Um, 842.9609 712 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 842.9609 (pause 0.86) 843.8188 713 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 843.8188 but when I went back, 845.3902 714 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 845.3902 (pause 0.58) 845.9684 715 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 845.9684 maybe within the last 847.1563 716 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 847.1563 (pause 0.27) 847.4221 717 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 847.4221 three or four years, 848.6624 718 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 848.6624 (pause 0.33) 848.9922 719 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 848.9922 it's a different place. 849.8515 720 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 849.8515 (pause 1.26) 851.1151 721 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 851.1151 And I knew it was different from the moment I walked on the- the grounds. 854.1589 722 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 854.1589 (pause 0.31) 854.4666 723 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 854.4666 When you come up Division Avenue, there's- there's- uh- You're coming up Division from Eastern, 858.8066 724 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 858.8066 (pause 0.34) 859.1423 725 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 859.1423 and when you get to the apex of the hill, the school is like, right there [as you're coming] down. 862.7561 726 DCB_int_01 861.9308 [Mm.] 862.1965 727 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 863.1618 And so there's this big open area walkway, and these big steps that walk down. 866.8676 728 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 866.8676 (pause 0.52) 867.3899 729 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 867.3899 When you can walk on a property, 868.7048 730 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 868.7048 (pause 0.20) 868.9053 731 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 868.9053 and feel 869.9871 732 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 869.9871 (pause 1.38) 871.3662 733 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 871.3662 different, 871.8418 734 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 871.8418 (pause 0.59) 872.4293 735 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 872.4293 [like], 872.9142 736 DCB_int_01 872.4433 [You know.] [Mm.] 873.5344 737 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 873.3479 [so] this not my school. 874.5602 738 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 875.8414 [And as I walked-] 876.6508 739 DCB_int_01 875.8554 [Why do you think it's different?] 876.9048 740 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 877.4921 People are different. 878.3407 741 DCB_int_01 878.3967 Yeah- well, 879.0448 742 DCB_int_01 879.0448 (pause 0.47) 879.5158 743 DCB_int_01 879.5158 I think that's a lot of [places.] 880.8400 744 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 880.3807 [The people] are different. And there- there are a couple of teachers who are there that I worked with. 884.1589 745 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 884.7977 There's maybe one or two that were there as- that who taught me, 887.9918 746 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 887.9918 (pause 0.71) 888.7040 747 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 888.7040 but it's a different 889.9210 748 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 889.9210 (pause 0.80) 890.7184 749 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 890.7184 mindset from the people within the building 892.5649 750 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 892.5649 (pause 0.86) 893.4229 751 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 893.4229 and then the people that are coming into the building. [And-] 895.5946 752 DCB_int_01 895.1563 [Do you feel like] the pride is different? There's a la- [sig- lack] of- [lack of?] Mm. 899.0172 753 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 896.9282 [There's no pride.] 897.5997 754 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 897.5997 (pause 0.40) 898.0007 755 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 898.0007 [Yeah.] 898.4530 756 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 899.2816 The um- 900.0885 757 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 900.0885 (pause 1.10) 901.1890 758 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 901.1890 the days of Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ and Miss /RD-NAME-2/, I mean everybody 903.8655 759 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 903.8655 (pause 0.50) 904.3691 760 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 904.3691 took pride 905.1618 761 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 905.1618 (pause 0.27) 905.4275 762 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 905.4275 in /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 906.1864 763 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 906.1864 (pause 0.17) 906.3590 764 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 906.3590 I mean, awards all over the place. 908.2521 765 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 908.2521 (pause 0.48) 908.7324 766 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 908.7324 Visits all over the place. [When you] walked in, there was a sense that 912.3042 767 DCB_int_01 910.3731 [Mm.] 910.6917 768 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 913.1284 these children knew. 914.3684 769 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 914.3684 (pause 0.69) 915.0541 770 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 915.0541 And you were- 915.6696 771 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 915.6696 (pause 0.43) 916.1033 772 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 916.1033 you were expected. 917.1952 773 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 917.1952 (pause 0.53) 917.7260 774 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 917.7260 It- it was /RD-NAME-2/ ish. 919.5713 775 DCB_int_01 919.6599 Mm-hm. 920.0436 776 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 920.0990 In kindergarten, you were expected 922.0706 777 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 922.0706 (pause 0.11) 922.1825 778 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 922.1825 to 922.6069 779 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 922.6069 (pause 0.45) 923.0592 780 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 923.0592 carry yourself a certain way, 924.6900 781 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 924.6900 (pause 0.47) 925.1610 782 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 925.1610 and you know, without- 926.7650 783 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 926.7650 (pause 0.90) 927.6603 784 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 927.6603 without reminding you to- 928.7747 785 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 928.7747 (pause 0.12) 928.8913 786 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 928.8913 reminding you that you were a black 930.8113 787 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 930.8113 (pause 0.29) 931.1004 788 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 931.1004 youth, 931.5946 789 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 931.5946 (pause 0.48) 932.0749 790 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 932.0749 Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ gave you the type of pride that said to you as a black youth, pick your head up. As a black [youth] 937.4081 791 DCB_int_01 937.2356 [Mm.] 937.5760 792 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 937.9770 you know, speak this way, carry yourself this way, without ever 941.1711 793 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 941.1711 (pause 0.48) 941.6560 794 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 941.6560 saying, hey, you black boy. 943.1187 795 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 943.1187 (pause 0.43) 943.5527 796 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 943.5527 He just 944.0889 797 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 944.0889 (pause 0.70) 944.7930 798 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 944.7930 exuded what 945.9960 799 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 945.9960 (pause 0.33) 946.3224 800 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 946.3224 it looked like. 947.0872 801 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 947.0872 (pause 0.60) 947.6840 802 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 947.6840 Uh, we had character and values assemblies where we talked about truth and honesty. 953.0371 803 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 953.0371 (pause 0.57) 953.6047 804 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 953.6047 Um, 954.0652 805 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 954.0652 (pause 1.05) 955.1190 806 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 955.1190 third grade, my teacher looked at me and said, you're gonna do the I Have A Dream speech 958.8260 807 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 958.8260 (pause 0.39) 959.2166 808 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 959.2166 for MLK. 960.1829 809 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 960.1829 (pause 0.22) 960.4056 810 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 960.4056 Okay, 960.9232 811 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 960.9232 (pause 0.18) 961.1050 812 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 961.1050 cool. 961.5294 813 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 961.5294 (pause 0.62) 962.1542 814 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 962.1542 Um, 962.6811 815 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 962.6811 (pause 0.82) 963.4979 816 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 963.4979 I mean there were moments like that, [that gave] you 966.3963 817 DCB_int_01 965.1609 [Mm.] 965.6382 818 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 966.8019 the type of confidence. You know, I stepped it on the little stool. She said, when you stand up there, you wait for everybody to be quiet. And my mother will tell you just- I stood there almost a minute. 974.5878 819 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 974.5878 (pause 1.10) 975.6883 820 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 975.6883 Third grade, stood there with my little suit on. 977.7166 821 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 977.7166 (pause 0.29) 978.0093 822 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 978.0093 Almost a minute. 978.7413 823 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 978.7413 (pause 0.49) 979.2309 824 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 979.2309 Until everybody stopped talking. 981.0466 825 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 981.0466 (pause 0.11) 981.1520 826 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 981.1520 Cause that's what Miss /RD-NAME-2/, my third grade teacher said. Don't open your mouth 984.0943 827 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 984.0943 (pause 0.39) 984.4802 828 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 984.4802 until everybody stops talking. 985.7625 829 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 985.7625 (pause 0.26) 986.0190 830 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 986.0190 Almost a minute. 986.6969 831 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 986.6969 (pause 1.46) 988.1546 832 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 988.1546 I say to you today- and somebody has a recording, we can't find out who it is. Somebody has a recording 993.5018 833 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 993.5018 (pause 0.54) 994.0380 834 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 994.0380 of that. 994.4623 835 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 994.4623 (pause 0.13) 994.5882 836 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 994.5882 But the- the sense of pride and awareness 997.1610 837 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 997.1610 (pause 0.27) 997.4314 838 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 997.4314 that that gave me 998.5692 839 DCB_int_01 998.7557 [Mm-hm.] 999.1101 840 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 998.9609 [has] stayed with me 1000.5602 841 DCB_int_01 1000.6861 [Mm-hm.] 1001.1198 842 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1000.9939 [to] this day. 1001.7446 843 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1002.0384 These people /trug/ me all across the city to the point- 1004.9422 844 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1004.9422 (pause 0.47) 1005.4085 845 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1005.4085 I said, I love Doctor King, but I don't want to have this dream [anymore.] I don't want to say this speech no [more. This man] getting ready to come out his grave and tell me to be [quiet] 1012.5183 846 DCB_int_01 1008.0652 [] 1008.2424 847 DCB_int_01 1008.2424 (pause 1.23) 1009.4741 848 DCB_int_01 1009.4741 [] 1010.1402 849 DCB_int_01 1010.1402 (pause 2.16) 1012.3038 850 DCB_int_01 1012.3038 [] 1012.7095 851 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1012.9706 and s- read somebody else's words. 1014.7134 852 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1014.7134 (pause 0.55) 1015.2682 853 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1015.2682 But it built something in me 1016.9469 854 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1016.9469 (pause 0.41) 1017.3572 855 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1017.3572 um, 1018.0333 856 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1018.0333 (pause 1.27) 1019.3063 857 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1019.3063 that I don't- 1019.8425 858 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1019.8425 (pause 0.29) 1020.1305 859 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1020.1305 we don't- it's not there. That 1021.6366 860 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1021.6366 (pause 0.20) 1021.8371 861 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1021.8371 energy is not there in that school anymore. 1023.7349 862 DCB_int_01 1024.2251 [Mm.] 1024.5798 863 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1024.4017 [And I] walked around and- and 1025.6374 864 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1026.1678 you just didn't feel it. 1026.9045 865 DCB_int_01 1027.0071 You didn't feel it. 1027.6133 866 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1027.6180 Mm-mm. 1028.0236 867 DCB_int_01 1028.1029 Where'd you go after /RD-SCHOOL-2/? 1029.2966 868 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1029.6696 Um, so I- I actually went legit and went to Prince George's County [schools.] 1033.6086 869 DCB_int_01 1033.2030 [] 1033.7252 870 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1034.2148 Um, 1034.7697 871 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1034.7697 (pause 0.54) 1035.3106 872 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1035.3106 I [auditioned for-] 1036.3924 873 DCB_int_01 1035.5577 [No longer going] rogue. 1037.0326 874 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1037.0093 No. No more rogue- no more- I'm telling you, DCPS is gonna track me down and send me like a eighty thousand dollar tuition bill 1042.1047 875 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1042.6968 uh, for eight years of school there. 1044.2869 876 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1044.2869 (pause 0.39) 1044.6786 877 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1044.6786 Um, 1045.2008 878 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1045.2008 (pause 0.23) 1045.4340 879 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1045.4340 but I went to- 1046.1987 880 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1046.1987 (pause 0.28) 1046.4820 881 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1046.4820 I auditioned for /RD-SCHOOL-4/. 1047.8808 882 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1047.8808 (pause 0.40) 1048.2772 883 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1048.2772 It was a magnet school, 1049.2797 884 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1049.2797 (pause 0.59) 1049.8719 885 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1049.8719 and- cause I was, you know, in my art world and been introduced to all these things at /RD-SCHOOL-2/, 1054.5150 886 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1054.5150 (pause 0.41) 1054.9296 887 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1054.9296 and I wanted to do theater and 1056.1967 888 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1056.1967 (pause 0.51) 1056.7035 889 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1056.7035 all of that. 1057.2273 890 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1057.2273 (pause 0.80) 1058.0272 891 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1058.0272 And /RD-SCHOOL-4/ said, yeah, your audition- 1060.2005 892 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1060.2005 (pause 0.40) 1060.5969 893 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1060.5969 Your Raisin in the Sun monologue was cute. But we good. We don't want you to come to our school. 1064.3387 894 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1064.3387 (pause 0.13) 1064.4732 895 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1064.4732 I said, okay. 1065.0820 896 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1065.0820 (pause 0.74) 1065.8182 897 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1065.8182 [Um-] 1066.4199 898 DCB_int_01 1066.2138 [Which] monologue did you do? 1067.1380 899 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1067.6375 I did uh, 1068.6356 900 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1068.6356 (pause 0.33) 1068.9654 901 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1068.9654 mama I want- 1069.7724 902 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1069.7724 (pause 0.14) 1069.9140 903 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1069.9140 I- It's okay. I want her to have some pearls. 1072.0872 904 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1072.0872 (pause 0.44) 1072.5261 905 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1072.5261 [I- it's-] what's wrong with [my wife can't have pearls.] 1075.0999 906 DCB_int_01 1072.5400 [Mm.] 1072.7885 907 DCB_int_01 1072.7885 (pause 0.84) 1073.6311 908 DCB_int_01 1073.6311 [My wife having some pearls.] 1075.1144 909 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1075.8219 So, did it and poured my little heart out, 1077.7970 910 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1077.7970 (pause 0.25) 1078.0447 911 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1078.0447 didn't get into /RD-SCHOOL-2/. I ended up going to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 1080.5153 912 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1080.5153 (pause 0.53) 1081.0433 913 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1081.0433 Um, 1081.6804 914 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1081.6804 (pause 0.35) 1082.0272 915 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1082.0272 right in like, Largo, in that area. 1084.1520 916 DCB_int_01 1084.1400 Mm. [Mm-hm.] 1085.3515 917 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1084.5969 [And um,] 1085.3543 918 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1085.6516 I guess- 1085.9985 919 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1085.9985 (pause 0.46) 1086.4557 920 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1086.4557 /Damn/- I guess I was a little rogue there too 1088.0272 921 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1088.0272 (pause 0.30) 1088.3245 922 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1088.3245 cause it 1088.6785 923 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1088.6785 (pause 0.18) 1088.8625 924 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1088.8625 wasn't my neighborhood school so we used my cousin's address. 1091.5030 925 DCB_int_01 1091.5420 1092.0420 926 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1092.0062 Hope I ain't get nobody in trouble by saying this, but 1093.8219 927 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1094.0877 anyway, 1094.4520 928 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1094.4520 (pause 0.46) 1094.9145 929 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1094.9145 went there, and still had- but it was the place I was supposed to [be.] 1097.8569 930 DCB_int_01 1097.6181 [Be.] 1097.8717 931 DCB_int_01 1098.4557 And [why you say] that? 1099.1778 932 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1098.5902 [Be.] 1098.8875 933 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1099.2627 Um, 1099.9524 934 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1099.9524 (pause 1.12) 1101.0678 935 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1101.0678 It was- I had a more authentic experience, 1102.7385 936 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1102.7385 (pause 0.42) 1103.1585 937 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1103.1585 and I j- I jokingly talk about /RD-SCHOOL-2/ p- you know, /RD-SCHOOL-2/ taught you 1106.3679 938 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1106.3679 (pause 0.36) 1106.7269 939 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1106.7269 the theater where you 1107.6702 940 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1107.6702 (pause 0.27) 1107.9377 941 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1107.9377 perform with your hands. Look the sun 1109.8479 942 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1109.8479 (pause 0.37) 1110.2210 943 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1110.2210 is in the sky. It shines on the flower. 1113.3253 944 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1113.3253 (pause 0.39) 1113.7124 945 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1113.7124 And all that, you know. I had a different experience at- at /RD-SCHOOL-3/. I grew as a leader, 1118.2553 946 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1118.2553 (pause 0.53) 1118.7832 947 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1118.7832 and again a principal. I had a- I ha- there was a culture in that school 1122.5025 948 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1122.5025 (pause 0.80) 1123.2980 949 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1123.2980 that was different, 1124.0300 950 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1124.0300 (pause 0.21) 1124.2412 951 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1124.2412 that was nurturing. 1125.1915 952 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1125.1915 (pause 0.27) 1125.4590 953 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1125.4590 Uh, /RD-NAME-6/ was my seventh grade principal. 1128.1583 954 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1128.1583 (pause 0.39) 1128.5448 955 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1128.5448 /RD-NAME-5/. 1130.1853 956 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1130.1853 (pause 0.27) 1130.4524 957 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1130.4524 Doctor /RD-NAME-5/ was my eighth grade principal. 1132.9117 958 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1132.9117 (pause 0.70) 1133.6156 959 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1133.6156 She didn't take no stuff. 1134.6715 960 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1134.6715 (pause 0.30) 1134.9671 961 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1134.9671 Uh, and at a point where I was starting to, I guess, feel myself 1137.6772 962 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1137.6772 (pause 0.46) 1138.1374 963 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1138.1374 a little bit, she helped get that 1139.5452 964 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1139.5452 (pause 0.44) 1139.9816 965 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1139.9816 [in line.] 1140.6644 966 DCB_int_01 1139.9957 [Mm.] 1140.2884 967 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1141.3543 Um, 1141.8189 968 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1141.8189 (pause 0.17) 1141.9878 969 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1141.9878 but again, nurtured opportunity 1143.9095 970 DCB_int_01 1143.9259 [Mm.] 1144.2734 971 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1144.1444 [for] me 1144.6724 972 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1145.2566 to lead, to speak, 1146.8615 973 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1146.8615 (pause 0.87) 1147.7344 974 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1147.7344 et cetera, to do these things that I try to help give kids now, that I love 1152.1365 975 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1152.1365 (pause 0.17) 1152.3054 976 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1152.3054 you know, doing so much with 'em now. 1153.7626 977 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1153.7626 (pause 0.61) 1154.3750 978 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1154.3750 Um, 1154.8466 979 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1154.8466 (pause 0.91) 1155.7546 980 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1155.7546 and then because of the art experience there, I was ready to go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ gr- uh, 1159.5795 981 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1159.5795 (pause 1.34) 1160.9240 982 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1160.9240 interview for /RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School. 1162.1840 983 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1162.1840 (pause 0.33) 1162.5175 984 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1162.5175 Got into the both- 1163.5382 985 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1163.5382 (pause 0.37) 1163.9112 986 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1163.9112 the theater and the TV production apart- departments. 1166.1497 987 DCB_int_01 1166.5087 I'm not [surprised] 1167.6139 988 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1167.3604 [] 1168.3486 989 DCB_int_01 1167.8488 [at either of] those. 1168.7498 990 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1168.7712 Yup. 1169.0060 991 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1169.0060 (pause 0.19) 1169.1943 992 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1169.1943 Stuck with theater, 1170.2632 993 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1170.2632 (pause 0.14) 1170.4040 994 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1170.4040 um, loved it. 1171.6992 995 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1171.6992 (pause 0.67) 1172.3679 996 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1172.3679 Um, 1172.9733 997 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1172.9733 (pause 0.32) 1173.2901 998 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1173.2901 but got to my junior year 1175.0032 999 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1175.0032 (pause 0.60) 1175.6015 1000 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1175.6015 and realized that my life was not gonna be an artist- I wasn't gonna be- live a life as an artist. 1181.0595 1001 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1181.0595 (pause 0.49) 1181.5523 1002 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1181.5523 And I loved everything that- from that point, 1183.9315 1003 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1183.9315 (pause 1.90) 1185.8321 1004 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1185.8321 dance, vocal music, 1187.5874 1005 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1187.5874 (pause 0.47) 1188.0591 1006 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1188.0591 theater, everything that it had taught me. 1189.7626 1007 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1189.7626 (pause 0.18) 1189.9385 1008 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1189.9385 Discipline, 1190.5932 1009 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1190.5932 (pause 0.61) 1191.1985 1010 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1191.1985 expression, 1192.1348 1011 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1192.1348 (pause 1.03) 1193.1651 1012 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1193.1651 pride, 1193.8294 1013 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1193.8294 (pause 0.34) 1194.1717 1014 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1194.1717 all of that was great, but I realize 1196.1990 1015 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1196.1990 (pause 0.34) 1196.5369 1016 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1196.5369 it was not gonna be my life. I'm not going to Broadway. I'm not- 1199.2284 1017 DCB_int_01 1199.2003 1200.0566 1018 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1200.0732 This is not what I'm gonna do. Uh, I ain't about that life. 1202.2623 1019 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1202.2623 (pause 0.25) 1202.5157 1020 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1202.5157 But this was also around the time where I was wrestling with my call to ministry 1206.2210 1021 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1206.2210 (pause 0.69) 1206.9108 1022 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1206.9108 and having all these spiritual moments 1209.9236 1023 DCB_int_01 1209.9799 Mm-hm. 1210.5537 1024 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1210.5034 and you know, from the Bible that fell off my shelf 1213.6288 1025 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1214.1427 and the fell open to Jeremiah chapter one, and I know the path that I have for you, 1219.6288 1026 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1219.6288 (pause 0.27) 1219.8963 1027 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1219.8963 thoughts to prosper you, and I'm like, I don't know what that means. 1222.4330 1028 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1222.4330 (pause 0.49) 1222.9187 1029 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1222.9187 And had grown up in church, and but still just wrestling with all of that, [so] 1226.0652 1030 DCB_int_01 1225.7062 [Mm-hm.] 1226.1638 1031 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1226.7762 now the 1227.6561 1032 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1227.6561 (pause 0.79) 1228.4471 1033 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1228.4471 path was turning from art to, 1230.2139 1034 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1230.2139 (pause 0.30) 1230.5166 1035 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1230.5166 alright, let's go save the world. 1231.8611 1036 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1231.8611 (pause 0.58) 1232.4383 1037 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1232.4383 Let's go, you know- we gonna go preach the word. 1234.4726 1038 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1234.4726 (pause 0.71) 1235.1792 1039 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1235.1792 So much so that in my eleventh grade year, I completely lost my mind and thought that I was gonna save the world 1240.2032 1040 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1240.2032 (pause 0.31) 1240.5175 1041 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1240.5175 with a one point oh GPA. 1242.3899 1042 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1242.3899 (pause 1.17) 1243.5584 1043 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1243.5584 Yeah, junior year was my rough year. I went from a 1245.9940 1044 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1245.9940 (pause 0.95) 1246.9469 1045 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1246.9469 two two 1247.7423 1046 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1247.7423 (pause 0.38) 1248.1224 1047 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1248.1224 to a one three 1249.1783 1048 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1249.1783 (pause 0.63) 1249.8048 1049 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1249.8048 to a one point oh. 1251.0859 1050 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1251.0859 (pause 1.00) 1252.0881 1051 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1252.0881 And the fear of God through my five foot mother, 1255.7088 1052 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1255.7088 (pause 0.67) 1256.3820 1053 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1256.3820 said, let it drop again. 1258.0081 1054 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1258.0081 (pause 0.88) 1258.8835 1055 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1258.8835 And at the time was trying to start 1260.6152 1056 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1260.6152 (pause 0.45) 1261.0657 1057 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1261.0657 /RD-SCHOOL-2/'s first Christian Club. We gonna start the Christian Club! 1263.7969 1058 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1263.7969 (pause 0.43) 1264.2289 1059 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1264.2289 And my mother- And again, another- 1266.5237 1060 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1266.5237 (pause 0.39) 1266.9179 1061 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1266.9179 I've been surrounded my great women, 1268.3468 1062 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1268.3468 (pause 0.71) 1269.0578 1063 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1269.0578 present company included. 1270.0081 1064 DCB_int_01 1270.3301 [Thank you.] 1271.0275 1065 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1270.7668 [Um,] 1271.4044 1066 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1272.0950 Doctor 1273.0023 1067 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1273.0023 (pause 0.45) 1273.4517 1068 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1273.4517 /RD-NAME-5/ 1274.4946 1069 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1274.4946 (pause 0.27) 1274.7692 1070 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1274.7692 was my 1275.3675 1071 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1275.3675 (pause 0.91) 1276.2755 1072 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1276.2755 tenth through twelfth grade principal at /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 1278.2562 1073 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1278.2562 (pause 0.73) 1278.9812 1074 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1278.9812 And I remember the day sitting in her office in- 1281.0484 1075 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1281.0484 (pause 0.21) 1281.2541 1076 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1281.2541 with my mother. 1281.8980 1077 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1281.8980 (pause 0.50) 1282.3978 1078 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1282.3978 What- what Christian Club you starting, 1283.6930 1079 DCB_int_01 1284.5237 [] 1285.9458 1080 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1284.9038 [ with that.] That's not gonna work. 1287.0296 1081 DCB_int_01 1287.9121 [Jesus ain't nowhere in that is he? mm-mm.] 1290.2843 1082 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1287.9262 [And so-] 1288.6935 1083 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1288.6935 (pause 0.23) 1288.9226 1084 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1288.9226 [No, he wasn't.] 1289.9253 1085 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1289.9253 (pause 0.26) 1290.1858 1086 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1290.1858 [Mm-mm.] I think he was sitting over in the corner just you know sipping his tea or- or [saying no, or-] 1294.5641 1087 DCB_int_01 1293.7291 [] With them loa- with them wafers. 1295.8517 1088 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1295.8972 Mm- [With them wafers. He was] breaking bread [for me, and] he was getting that cup together cause I needed something. 1300.8402 1089 DCB_int_01 1296.1365 [Mm-mm.] 1297.0798 1090 DCB_int_01 1297.0798 (pause 0.71) 1297.7907 1091 DCB_int_01 1297.7907 [] 1298.4876 1092 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1301.4396 Um, and I think everybody has that moment 1303.5514 1093 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1303.5514 (pause 0.58) 1304.1286 1094 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1304.1286 but 1304.5087 1095 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1304.5087 (pause 0.19) 1304.6988 1096 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1304.6988 that just was where mine was, and I was just gung ho. 1307.0595 1097 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1307.0595 (pause 0.39) 1307.4537 1098 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1307.4537 I was making, and I still have them. I have to 1309.4599 1099 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1309.4599 (pause 0.28) 1309.7414 1100 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1309.7414 bring you one. 1310.1990 1101 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1310.1990 (pause 0.53) 1310.7340 1102 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1310.7340 These things called spiritual vitamin. 1312.4586 1103 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1312.4586 (pause 0.45) 1312.9046 1104 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1312.9046 I mean I was serious. I was gonna be- It was me 1314.8545 1105 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1314.8545 (pause 0.33) 1315.1853 1106 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1315.1853 and my little purple Bible that fell off the shelf and the Lord and we was gonna go save 1319.4044 1107 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1319.4044 (pause 0.37) 1319.7705 1108 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1319.7705 /RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School. 1320.6614 1109 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1320.6614 (pause 0.48) 1321.1431 1110 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1321.1431 Um, and every night- my mama bought me a- this a old Apple, 1325.0524 1111 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1325.0524 (pause 0.24) 1325.2918 1112 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1325.2918 old, like old- the little box Apple computer 1327.8215 1113 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1327.8215 (pause 0.36) 1328.1849 1114 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1328.1849 that had the rainbow apple on it. 1329.6843 1115 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1329.6843 (pause 0.16) 1329.8431 1116 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1329.8431 Funny, 1330.1303 1117 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1330.1303 (pause 0.49) 1330.6160 1118 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1330.6160 the irony of that. 1331.5663 1119 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1331.5663 (pause 0.75) 1332.3125 1120 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1332.3125 Um, 1332.8999 1121 DCB_int_01 1333.2909 [] 1336.2569 1122 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1334.1708 [] 1335.8277 1123 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1336.8413 [So I would print- ] 1338.6292 1124 DCB_int_01 1337.0384 [I love you /RD-NAME-2/. I love] you. 1339.1149 1125 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1339.4247 I would print these- I made these little things on Print Shop, 1342.1444 1126 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1342.1444 (pause 0.70) 1342.8413 1127 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1342.8413 and there was a little greeting card thing, but it was a spiritual vitamin. And every- on the front, 1347.0437 1128 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1347.0437 (pause 0.70) 1347.7432 1129 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1347.7432 it said, 1348.4893 1130 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1348.4893 (pause 0.30) 1348.7920 1131 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1348.7920 You were- you were destined for greatness. 1351.1361 1132 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1351.1361 (pause 0.50) 1351.6358 1133 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1351.6358 Here's your daily spiritual vit- I was 1353.4238 1134 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1353.4238 (pause 0.25) 1353.6702 1135 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1353.6702 proud of my title. /unintelligible/ Here's your daily spiritual vitamin from Minister /RD-NAME-4/. 1358.0089 1136 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1358.0089 (pause 0.33) 1358.3398 1137 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1358.3398 I'd started a group from New Faith [Ministries.] 1361.4255 1138 DCB_int_01 1360.5949 [] 1361.4819 1139 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1361.8409 I had the date [on it.] I put little star stickers on it. 1365.5998 1140 DCB_int_01 1362.5190 [] 1363.0417 1141 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1366.0459 and inside, there will be a scripture at the top and a little message. It was like the little daily bread, 1370.5650 1142 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1370.5650 (pause 0.60) 1371.1634 1143 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1371.1634 and on the back I'd have a [little quote.] 1372.7558 1144 DCB_int_01 1372.1655 [Like the little people] at the Metro giving out a little [card.] 1374.6110 1145 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1374.0520 [Passing 'em out.] 1374.7278 1146 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1375.0094 E- Every morning, my junior, my senior year. And people got mad 1379.1369 1147 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1379.1369 (pause 0.45) 1379.5874 1148 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1379.5874 when I ran out. They- I mean, were [upset, teachers and students.] 1383.2272 1149 DCB_int_01 1381.7344 [Oh wow, you had a following.] 1383.6112 1150 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1383.6182 We had the, you know, and it was- And I didn't realize until 1386.7185 1151 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1386.7185 (pause 0.48) 1387.1994 1152 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1387.1994 I graduated 1388.2975 1153 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1388.2975 (pause 0.97) 1389.2689 1154 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1389.2689 how- 1389.6289 1155 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1389.6289 (pause 0.19) 1389.8172 1156 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1389.8172 what the impact was. 1390.9187 1157 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1390.9187 (pause 0.37) 1391.2918 1158 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1391.2918 And not until a year ago, 1392.9179 1159 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1392.9179 (pause 0.61) 1393.5232 1160 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1393.5232 one of my friends took a picture 1395.1422 1161 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1395.1422 (pause 0.38) 1395.5223 1162 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1395.5223 of one she kept from the last- my last day. 1398.2280 1163 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1398.2280 (pause 0.42) 1398.6433 1164 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1398.6433 Last day I did a whole sheet. 1400.1227 1165 DCB_int_01 1400.1356 You had [to give the-] 1401.6014 1166 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1401.0437 [I said we gonna] go out in style. 1402.7558 1167 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1403.4326 And she took a picture that she still had it, 1405.4147 1168 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1405.4147 (pause 0.72) 1406.1356 1169 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1406.1356 and posted it on Facebook, and she's like, I still have this. Remember you know, when we- when you did these. 1410.4814 1170 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1410.4814 (pause 0.37) 1410.8545 1171 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1410.8545 That you know- that m- made a difference. Blah blah blah blah blah. 1413.3068 1172 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1413.3068 (pause 1.44) 1414.7427 1173 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1414.7427 So I think it was around that time I was really grappling with, 1417.1220 1174 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1417.1220 (pause 0.53) 1417.6570 1175 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1417.6570 Yeah, art thing is cool but that's not what I wanna do. 1420.5034 1176 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1420.5034 (pause 0.18) 1420.6794 1177 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1420.6794 I want to help people. 1422.0239 1178 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1422.0239 (pause 0.39) 1422.4110 1179 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1422.4110 Um, 1422.8827 1180 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1422.8827 (pause 1.64) 1424.5228 1181 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1424.5228 and that's, you know, that's kind of where my head was even when I graduated. 1428.1607 1182 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1428.1607 (pause 0.35) 1428.5096 1183 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1428.5096 And I think cause I grappled with that so much I didn't know what I wanted to do was- when I got to 1432.8343 1184 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1432.8343 (pause 0.53) 1433.3692 1185 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1433.3692 /RD-SCHOOL-5/ I was like all over the place, like 1435.6733 1186 DCB_int_01 1435.6250 Mm. 1435.9393 1187 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1436.5298 okay. 1436.9803 1188 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1436.9803 (pause 0.43) 1437.4097 1189 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1437.4097 I went down there a little happy [Christian.] 1438.9768 1190 DCB_int_01 1438.6301 [But aren't] there theological- Isn't it a [theological school?] That's what- okay. 1441.6781 1191 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1440.3266 [Mm-hm.] 1441.0586 1192 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1441.6851 Mm-hm. 1442.2694 1193 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1442.2694 (pause 0.28) 1442.5509 1194 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1442.5509 But see- and the- and the other side of this was [much as I was doing all that], 1445.3758 1195 DCB_int_01 1444.4049 [Well that's more] theoretical, [theological as] well. 1447.1994 1196 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1446.3477 [Yeah.] 1446.6917 1197 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1447.2065 And I was a little rebel. 1448.0793 1198 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1448.0793 (pause 0.33) 1448.4102 1199 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1448.4102 I was a little rebel. I never [liked-] 1449.9165 1200 DCB_int_01 1449.5294 [Obviously. Using people's address and stuff, right. 1452.2843 1201 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1450.5146 [Little bit still are. ] 1452.2773 1202 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1453.0375 I didn't w- I didn't- 1454.2764 1203 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1454.2764 (pause 1.39) 1455.6631 1204 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1455.6631 I didn't- as much as I grew up in the church, 1457.4255 1205 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1457.4255 (pause 0.19) 1457.6156 1206 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1457.6156 I didn't want 1458.3970 1207 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1458.3970 (pause 0.53) 1458.9249 1208 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1458.9249 to be 1459.7203 1209 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1459.7203 (pause 0.20) 1459.9174 1210 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1459.9174 churchy. 1460.5316 1211 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1460.5316 (pause 1.00) 1461.5320 1212 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1461.5320 And even it's gotten- 1462.5597 1213 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1462.5597 (pause 0.46) 1463.0243 1214 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1463.0243 I don't wanna say worse, but it's gotten worse now, 1464.8263 1215 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1464.8263 (pause 0.25) 1465.0798 1216 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1465.0798 and I didn't want- 1465.8893 1217 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1465.8893 (pause 0.43) 1466.3186 1218 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1466.3186 /RD-SCHOOL-5/ is where black Baptist preachers go for school. 1469.6226 1219 DCB_int_01 1469.7775 Mm-hm. 1470.1362 1220 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1470.1365 You are a black Baptist preacher, you go to /RD-SCHOOL-5/. 1472.5791 1221 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1472.5791 (pause 0.22) 1472.7973 1222 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1472.7973 You don't go anywhere else. 1473.6561 1223 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1473.6561 (pause 0.76) 1474.4119 1224 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1474.4119 And that- 1474.9470 1225 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1474.9470 (pause 0.93) 1475.8761 1226 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1475.8761 I didn't want that. 1476.5518 1227 DCB_int_01 1477.9033 [How'd you end up there?] 1478.9170 1228 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1478.1075 [I didn't want that.] 1478.7351 1229 DCB_int_01 1479.9940 Cause you wanted to be the black Baptist /trea/- 1481.5311 1230 DCB_int_01 1481.5311 (pause 0.19) 1481.7212 1231 DCB_int_01 1481.7212 preacher but not really? 1482.8590 1232 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1482.8860 Yeah. 1483.3754 1233 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1483.3754 (pause 0.18) 1483.5584 1234 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1483.5584 And I don't- 1484.0090 1235 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1484.0090 (pause 0.14) 1484.1460 1236 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1484.1460 It's funny. I don't even remember who 1486.0644 1237 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1486.0644 (pause 0.81) 1486.8765 1238 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1486.8765 suggested it, 1487.7564 1239 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1487.7564 (pause 0.20) 1487.9535 1240 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1487.9535 but I went for a visit and went- It was a nice school. 1490.2342 1241 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1490.2342 (pause 0.45) 1490.6847 1242 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1490.6847 Nice campus, it was small enough. I didn't wanna do a big school. 1493.3311 1243 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1493.3311 (pause 0.73) 1494.0591 1244 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1494.0591 Uh, as crazy as I am, I'm still very much a introvert, 1496.8747 1245 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1496.8747 (pause 0.54) 1497.4168 1246 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1497.4168 so the idea of a big campus freaked me out. 1499.3225 1247 DCB_int_01 1499.3692 What color are you? 1500.1013 1248 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1501.2276 Green. 1501.6781 1249 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1501.6781 (pause 0.89) 1502.5721 1250 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1502.5721 Yeah. 1502.8395 1251 DCB_int_01 1503.5435 What's your second color? 1504.2826 1252 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1504.7216 Blue. 1504.9398 1253 DCB_int_01 1505.1158 Mm-hm. 1505.6015 1254 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1505.6930 Yeah. 1505.9394 1255 DCB_int_01 1506.0380 Yup. 1506.2632 1256 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1506.8967 So I didn't wanna go to- like, they were like, you can go to VCU. 1508.9803 1257 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1508.9803 (pause 0.18) 1509.1601 1258 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1509.1601 Ooh. 1509.7200 1259 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1509.7200 (pause 0.15) 1509.8742 1260 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1509.8742 That was- 1510.5290 1261 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1510.5290 (pause 0.22) 1510.7498 1262 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1510.7498 and I remember walking 1511.6792 1263 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1511.6792 (pause 0.67) 1512.3477 1264 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1512.3477 up Broad Street from /RD-SCHOOL-5/ 1514.2967 1265 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1514.2967 (pause 0.15) 1514.4454 1266 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1514.4454 to VCU on some days. 1516.4374 1267 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1516.4374 (pause 0.81) 1517.2487 1268 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1517.2487 Too much. 1517.7142 1269 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1517.7142 (pause 0.84) 1518.5589 1270 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1518.5589 Too much. Cause 1519.3754 1271 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1519.3754 (pause 1.68) 1521.0507 1272 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1521.0507 I don't know. I'm- I'm introvert- And I'm realizing more and more what- /that does not-/ 1524.1928 1273 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1524.1928 (pause 0.77) 1524.9671 1274 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1524.9671 that's not shy, that there's a difference of [what that-] 1527.2062 1275 DCB_int_01 1526.7903 [Right.] 1527.1070 1276 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1527.6913 You know [it really mean-] 1528.4488 1277 DCB_int_01 1527.8814 [It's just the way] you charge. I think I have learned that I'm more introverted too like, 1532.1849 1278 DCB_int_01 1532.7340 extroverts really feed off people, 1534.8061 1279 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1534.8624 Yeah. 1535.1158 1280 DCB_int_01 1535.2988 and they need that to like, charge them whereas introverts, you can still be very- but at the end of the day you need to recharge [by being] alone. 1541.7214 1281 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1540.8261 [Yup.] 1541.1721 1282 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1541.7798 Yup. 1541.9534 1283 DCB_int_01 1542.2491 And I realize I'm very much that. 1543.8329 1284 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1543.8400 Yup. 1544.0441 1285 DCB_int_01 1544.1427 Like I can be Miss sunshine at the office, but when I go home, 1546.7558 1286 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1546.7272 Mm-hm. 1547.0947 1287 DCB_int_01 1547.2566 I just need it like- 1548.2280 1288 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1548.2091 Yeah. 1548.5237 1289 DCB_int_01 1548.5729 I- I play my TV with like, the captions, so I can have the volume really low. [Like I don't] need all that. 1552.6416 1290 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1551.6702 [Yeah.] 1552.1845 1291 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1552.8554 The noise. 1553.3270 1292 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1553.3270 (pause 0.27) 1553.5945 1293 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1553.5945 The people meter. When- And I know- 1555.3965 1294 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1555.3965 (pause 0.46) 1555.8611 1295 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1555.8611 I know when my people meter is getting low. 1558.4938 1296 DCB_int_01 1558.5456 Mm-hm. 1559.0173 1297 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1559.0243 And I tell the teachers a lot, um, okay, if we doing drop offs, then we need to go ahead and go now cause in about a hour, 1564.9258 1298 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1564.9258 (pause 0.41) 1565.3340 1299 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1565.3340 I don't need to be around people. 1566.5377 1300 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1566.5377 (pause 0.18) 1566.7208 1301 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1566.7208 And it's not personal. As now that- that meter's gonna be at zero 1570.3037 1302 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1570.3037 (pause 0.48) 1570.7850 1303 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1570.7850 and either, one, you're not gonna like me, 1572.9390 1304 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1572.9390 (pause 0.61) 1573.5443 1305 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1573.5443 um, 1574.1708 1306 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1574.1708 (pause 0.44) 1574.6073 1307 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1574.6073 or you probably not gonna like me. 1576.0503 1308 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1576.0503 (pause 0.20) 1576.2500 1309 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1576.2500 And 1576.6583 1310 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1576.6583 (pause 0.20) 1576.8624 1311 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1576.8624 I ain't gonna really care cause at that point 1579.0798 1312 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1579.0798 (pause 0.37) 1579.4528 1313 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1579.4528 [I don't have anything left.] 1580.6354 1314 DCB_int_01 1579.4528 [You reached that point.] 1580.5650 1315 DCB_int_01 1580.7762 Mm-hm. 1581.2689 1316 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1581.5787 And then I'm empty and I don't- 1582.8480 1317 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1582.8480 (pause 0.42) 1583.2706 1318 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1583.2706 I've been in a place where I'm trying to operate on fumes. That- that's not fun. 1586.7199 1319 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1586.7199 (pause 0.22) 1586.9381 1320 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1586.9381 That's not a fun place. 1587.9588 1321 DCB_int_01 1588.7920 So at /RD-SCHOOL-5/ you just didn't- 1590.2421 1322 DCB_int_01 1590.2421 (pause 0.43) 1590.6715 1323 DCB_int_01 1590.6715 [It's six months, first semester.] 1592.4354 1324 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1590.6799 [/It wasn't a g-] 1591.1959 1325 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1591.1959 (pause 0.45) 1591.6426 1326 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1591.6426 [Yeah.] 1592.1452 1327 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1592.5968 [It wasn't a fit.] 1593.1716 1328 DCB_int_01 1592.6195 [Was it? Ish?] 1593.6530 1329 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1593.8725 The other thing was is that, you know, my mom raised me 1596.9418 1330 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1596.9418 (pause 0.52) 1597.4585 1331 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1597.4585 pretty close knit. 1598.2145 1332 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1598.2145 (pause 0.50) 1598.7186 1333 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1598.7186 And I'm a mama's boy, [if that-] if that hasn't been 1601.1708 1334 DCB_int_01 1599.6884 [You are.] 1600.2122 1335 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1601.3155 noted [/or something/.] 1602.3960 1336 DCB_int_01 1601.8050 [Oh you know I was] wondering. I couldn't [quite decide.] 1605.0029 1337 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1603.7063 [] 1605.2354 1338 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1606.0353 I am. So I- I don't s- I'm not a brat because she taught me how to stand on my own 1610.9765 1339 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1610.9765 (pause 0.51) 1611.4902 1340 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1611.4902 um, 1611.9362 1341 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1611.9362 (pause 0.35) 1612.2901 1342 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1612.2901 but I was r- I was raised very close knit, 1614.1306 1343 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1614.1306 (pause 0.61) 1614.7365 1344 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1614.7365 very kind of under the wing. 1616.1594 1345 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1616.1594 (pause 0.64) 1616.7965 1346 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1616.7965 And 1617.3982 1347 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1617.3982 (pause 0.83) 1618.2238 1348 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1618.2238 so the college 1619.3449 1349 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1619.3449 (pause 0.23) 1619.5714 1350 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1619.5714 freedom 1620.1802 1351 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1620.1802 (pause 0.85) 1621.0267 1352 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1621.0267 caught me of guard. 1622.2868 1353 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1622.2868 (pause 0.35) 1622.6336 1354 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1622.6336 Um, and I lost a little bit of my mind, got down and you know, for the first time you're 1626.9489 1355 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1626.9489 (pause 0.42) 1627.3736 1356 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1627.3736 able to 1628.0319 1357 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1628.0319 (pause 0.23) 1628.2585 1358 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1628.2585 be free and confront and do and oh, okay. 1631.4935 1359 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1631.4935 (pause 0.53) 1632.0245 1360 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1632.0245 So I was doing more 1634.0434 1361 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1634.0434 (pause 0.87) 1634.9168 1362 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1634.9168 freedom and e- exploring 1636.8918 1363 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1636.8918 (pause 0.17) 1637.0617 1364 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1637.0617 than I was 1638.1536 1365 DCB_int_01 1638.0994 Mm. 1638.3401 1366 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1638.5524 studying 1639.1683 1367 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1639.1683 (pause 0.62) 1639.7842 1368 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1639.7842 and working, 1640.7115 1369 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1640.7115 (pause 0.99) 1641.7026 1370 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1641.7026 which didn't do so well for me. I went down and I remember my god mother went with us, 1645.2179 1371 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1645.2179 (pause 0.46) 1645.6780 1372 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1645.6780 she pro- was proclaiming across the campus, this is little minister right here! I was like, okay, don't do that. 1650.5029 1373 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1650.5029 (pause 0.80) 1651.3028 1374 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1651.3028 Um, [and then I was-] 1652.7605 1375 DCB_int_01 1652.3222 [Cause I gotta see] these people on Monday. 1653.6176 1376 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1653.6035 Mm. 1654.0565 1377 DCB_int_01 1654.3467 [Hush.] 1654.9327 1378 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1654.3609 [But then I was] in my little thing- I was putting my little 1656.4704 1379 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1656.9772 spiritual vitamin sheets on my door 1658.7611 1380 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1658.7611 (pause 0.45) 1659.2141 1381 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1659.2141 and- and 1659.9786 1382 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1659.9786 (pause 0.71) 1660.6865 1383 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1660.6865 then I had to take those down cause it wasn't lining up 1663.3524 1384 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1663.3524 (pause 0.20) 1663.5506 1385 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1663.5506 too much with what what [was going on.] 1665.1575 1386 DCB_int_01 1664.4213 [Was going on on] the other side [of the door.] 1666.1839 1387 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1665.5964 [Mm.] 1666.1769 1388 DCB_int_01 1666.3184 [Mm.] 1667.0263 1389 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1666.3255 [Mm-mm.] 1667.0476 1390 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1667.6676 And so that- 1668.6303 1391 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1668.6303 (pause 1.11) 1669.7417 1392 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1669.7417 And it's probably the first time I really looked at me 1671.9928 1393 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1671.9928 (pause 0.35) 1672.3397 1394 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1672.3397 and 1672.6299 1395 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1672.6299 (pause 0.29) 1672.9201 1396 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1672.9201 started to see 1674.0032 1397 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1674.0032 (pause 1.12) 1675.1258 1398 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1675.1258 and make choices for myself. I went to college cause 1677.8937 1399 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1677.8937 (pause 0.28) 1678.1698 1400 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1678.1698 that's what you supposed to [do when] you [graduate high] school. 1680.2864 1401 DCB_int_01 1679.0476 [To do.] 1679.3665 1402 DCB_int_01 1679.3665 (pause 0.36) 1679.7242 1403 DCB_int_01 1679.7242 [Yeah.] 1679.9649 1404 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1680.7931 And I never s- at any point said, hey, 1682.9451 1405 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1682.9451 (pause 0.35) 1683.2991 1406 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1683.2991 this is what I wanna do to do this. I went cause that's what you supposed to do when you graduate high school. 1687.6189 1407 DCB_int_01 1687.9895 So let me ask you a question. This kind of getting off t- Do you feel like you 1690.9414 1408 DCB_int_01 1690.9414 (pause 0.28) 1691.2245 1409 DCB_int_01 1691.2245 give that message now, like 1692.8781 1410 DCB_int_01 1692.8781 (pause 0.76) 1693.6426 1411 DCB_int_01 1693.6426 look, do what you wanna do. Do you but do something- [but] do you. 1697.2812 1412 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1696.5287 [Yeah.] 1696.7843 1413 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1698.9418 1699.4231 1414 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1699.4231 (pause 0.19) 1699.6143 1415 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1699.6143 I think- 1700.2372 1416 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1700.2372 (pause 1.52) 1701.7592 1417 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1701.7592 I think I give it 1702.5379 1418 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1702.5379 (pause 0.13) 1702.6724 1419 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1702.6724 without saying it, 1703.6705 1420 DCB_int_01 1703.8870 Mm-hm. 1704.2905 1421 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1704.5170 but I think I also try to give it 1705.7913 1422 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1705.7913 (pause 0.50) 1706.2939 1423 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1706.2939 with saying that. 1706.8319 1424 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1706.8319 (pause 0.46) 1707.2920 1425 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1707.2920 I think I give it by saying it just cause this the life I live 1709.5360 1426 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1709.5360 (pause 0.68) 1710.2126 1427 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1710.2126 um, in a lot of ways, and I think the older I get- Just turned thirty five- 1713.4477 1428 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1713.4477 (pause 0.16) 1713.6105 1429 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1713.6105 Woo woo. 1713.9857 1430 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1713.9857 (pause 0.74) 1714.7290 1431 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1714.7290 [Um-] 1715.2316 1432 DCB_int_01 1714.7290 [And July] babies [are the best.] 1716.5463 1433 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1715.5968 [That's right.] Yes we are. 1717.2674 1434 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1718.1452 I think the more- the older I get 1719.5964 1435 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1719.5964 (pause 0.22) 1719.8158 1436 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1719.8158 and the- the more I'm liberated 1722.0032 1437 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1722.0032 (pause 0.49) 1722.4958 1438 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1722.4958 in that sense of knowing who you are and being who you are and doing something with your life 1728.9843 1439 DCB_int_01 1729.3311 [Mm-hm.] 1729.7983 1440 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1729.4798 [and knowing] that your existence is your existence, 1733.0440 1441 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1733.4298 not anybody else's, and that your life should not look like everybody else's life. 1737.4123 1442 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1737.4123 (pause 0.92) 1738.3326 1443 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1738.3326 That's my message more and more. 1740.0528 1444 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1740.0528 (pause 0.12) 1740.1773 1445 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1740.1773 I struggle with the fact that I hadn't finished school and I look- and I get frustrated sometimes, and I look around and I say, what these people are doing this and they /going/ this and, 1746.8710 1446 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1746.8710 (pause 0.79) 1747.6568 1447 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1747.6568 why is it not- 1749.0513 1448 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1749.0513 (pause 0.25) 1749.3061 1449 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1749.3061 what is the- 1750.2193 1450 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1750.2193 (pause 0.54) 1750.7573 1451 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1750.7573 what is the thing with me for why it's such an issue? There are other people that work and go to school. There are other people that take care of sick parents and go to school. 1758.1377 1452 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1758.1377 (pause 0.61) 1758.7436 1453 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1758.7436 It's always been this thing. And I- for the longest time I couldn't figure it- 1762.2052 1454 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1762.2052 (pause 0.69) 1762.8918 1455 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1762.8918 [I still] haven't quite figured it. 1764.3775 1456 DCB_int_01 1762.9479 [Out.] 1763.1896 1457 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1764.7931 I'm at a point now where I want to do it 1766.8672 1458 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1766.8672 (pause 0.25) 1767.1150 1459 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1767.1150 for me, 1767.8725 1460 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1767.8725 (pause 0.95) 1768.8210 1461 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1768.8210 and so figuring out how to get around whatever it is that's blocking it. 1771.7913 1462 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1771.7913 (pause 0.77) 1772.5639 1463 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1772.5639 But it's about me 1773.3557 1464 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1773.3557 (pause 0.38) 1773.7380 1465 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1773.7380 wanting to do it, to deepen 1775.4086 1466 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1775.4086 (pause 0.39) 1775.7979 1467 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1775.7979 my own knowledge base 1777.4090 1468 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1777.4090 (pause 1.01) 1778.4213 1469 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1778.4213 [and to-] 1779.0796 1470 DCB_int_01 1778.5770 [And that's the only] time you're gonna do it, when you wanna [do it. Not when] everybody else says you should 1782.2368 1471 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1780.5379 [Yeah.] 1781.0051 1472 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1782.2905 Yeah. 1782.6445 1473 DCB_int_01 1782.9064 or whatever the case may be. Because guess what? 1784.9168 1474 DCB_int_01 1784.9168 (pause 0.17) 1785.0867 1475 DCB_int_01 1785.0867 They can say all you- You know, people can say, oh, you need to lose weight. 1788.3330 1476 DCB_int_01 1788.3330 (pause 0.30) 1788.6374 1477 DCB_int_01 1788.6374 Alright, but until you want to get into the gym, [until you] want to eat right, 1791.6247 1478 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1790.6336 [Yup.] 1790.9168 1479 DCB_int_01 1791.9645 you still gonna [not lose weight or] whatever it is that you want to do, you have- there has to be something deep down. 1798.0585 1480 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1792.7998 [/They ain't gonna do it./ Yeah.] 1793.9961 1481 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1793.9961 (pause 4.06) 1798.0564 1482 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1798.0564 Right. 1798.3892 1483 DCB_int_01 1798.4742 Otherwise, we'll find every- we'll- we'll make an excuse [to make an excuse.] 1802.0311 1484 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1801.1754 [Yeah.] 1801.6568 1485 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1802.0319 Yup. 1802.3788 1486 DCB_int_01 1802.9664 [Until] like, your just, I'm tired of making [excuses. Like], it's a waste of my time. 1807.1382 1487 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1802.9876 [Yeah.] 1803.4265 1488 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1803.4265 (pause 2.14) 1805.5643 1489 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1805.5643 [Yeah.] 1806.0599 1490 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1806.0599 (pause 1.07) 1807.1258 1491 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1807.1258 Yup. 1807.3807 1492 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1807.7417 Yup. 1808.0178 1493 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1808.0178 (pause 0.43) 1808.4496 1494 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1808.4496 And I think I- I s- I'm seeing the 1810.2830 1495 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1810.2830 (pause 0.41) 1810.6936 1496 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1810.6936 connect with 1811.6251 1497 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1811.6251 (pause 0.41) 1812.0357 1498 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1812.0357 you know, going and living the life that I wanna live 1814.6903 1499 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1814.6903 (pause 0.23) 1814.9168 1500 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1814.9168 for myself, and doing what I wanna do for me. 1816.8777 1501 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1816.8777 (pause 0.14) 1817.0192 1502 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1817.0192 Then it's- I see it as a part of that, and I hadn't made that connection before. 1819.9116 1503 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1819.9116 (pause 0.39) 1820.3009 1504 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1820.3009 And I used to beat myself op- 1821.3203 1505 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1821.3203 (pause 0.34) 1821.6601 1506 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1821.6601 beat [myself] up over that. 1823.0830 1507 DCB_int_01 1821.7946 [Mm-hm.] 1822.1969 1508 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1823.6634 But I realize my journey's my journey 1825.3524 1509 DCB_int_01 1826.0459 Wh- 1826.1654 1510 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1826.1169 [and that it's not a bad thing that I] got it 1828.1910 1511 DCB_int_01 1826.5002 [whatever it is. Yup.] 1827.6450 1512 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1828.4742 at this point and this person got it at that point. 1830.4675 1513 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1830.4675 (pause 0.33) 1830.8002 1514 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1830.8002 I got it. 1831.3948 1515 DCB_int_01 1831.7842 [Mm-hm.] 1832.2797 1516 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1831.8974 [So], let's get it. 1832.7965 1517 DCB_int_01 1833.4265 And- but the thing is- one thing that I think is so beautiful about your story 1837.2617 1518 DCB_int_01 1837.2617 (pause 0.47) 1837.7275 1519 DCB_int_01 1837.7275 is 1838.4425 1520 DCB_int_01 1838.4425 (pause 1.41) 1839.8512 1521 DCB_int_01 1839.8512 look how many people you've touched and changed like, 1842.7931 1522 DCB_int_01 1842.7931 (pause 0.49) 1843.2816 1523 DCB_int_01 1843.2816 along the way. 1844.0461 1524 DCB_int_01 1844.0461 (pause 0.28) 1844.3222 1525 DCB_int_01 1844.3222 The things- it was so funny I was talking to /RD-NAME-3/ earlier, 1846.5025 1526 DCB_int_01 1846.5025 (pause 0.47) 1846.9697 1527 DCB_int_01 1846.9697 and 1847.4723 1528 DCB_int_01 1847.4723 (pause 0.90) 1848.3755 1529 DCB_int_01 1848.3755 she cried 1849.2603 1530 DCB_int_01 1849.2603 (pause 0.17) 1849.4302 1531 DCB_int_01 1849.4302 when she talked about you. 1850.4496 1532 DCB_int_01 1850.4496 (pause 0.26) 1850.7115 1533 DCB_int_01 1850.7115 Like, 1851.1079 1534 DCB_int_01 1851.1079 (pause 0.25) 1851.3628 1535 DCB_int_01 1851.3628 tears. 1851.9149 1536 DCB_int_01 1851.9149 (pause 0.52) 1852.4388 1537 DCB_int_01 1852.4388 And she was just saying how much- she said the thing that made it so important for her 1857.5893 1538 DCB_int_01 1857.5893 (pause 0.35) 1857.9432 1539 DCB_int_01 1857.9432 was when you were 1859.2670 1540 DCB_int_01 1859.2670 (pause 0.34) 1859.6068 1541 DCB_int_01 1859.6068 interviewing her, something about listening. 1861.2179 1542 DCB_int_01 1861.2179 (pause 0.34) 1861.5576 1543 DCB_int_01 1861.5576 And she said, 1862.1027 1544 DCB_int_01 1862.1027 (pause 0.64) 1862.7398 1545 DCB_int_01 1862.7398 you don't know what that means when somebody just 1864.9626 1546 DCB_int_01 1864.9626 (pause 0.20) 1865.1608 1547 DCB_int_01 1865.1608 listens. And she said you could have said everything else under [the sun but when] you said that, it was done. 1869.7663 1548 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1867.9399 [] 1868.4638 1549 DCB_int_01 1870.3892 Ink was dry for her. 1871.5183 1550 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1871.5714 /Right./ 1871.9183 1551 DCB_int_01 1872.0357 And I think that that's what is so amazing about your journey, is 1876.6370 1552 DCB_int_01 1876.6370 (pause 0.28) 1876.9131 1553 DCB_int_01 1876.9131 how many people- how many- at nineteen oh one- 1880.1664 1554 DCB_int_01 1880.1664 (pause 0.20) 1880.3646 1555 DCB_int_01 1880.3646 Even- not even- even before, I can't even talk about that, but over the last three years that you've been here, 1884.8922 1556 DCB_int_01 1884.8922 (pause 0.40) 1885.2886 1557 DCB_int_01 1885.2886 how many kids' lives have you changed 1887.5256 1558 DCB_int_01 1887.5256 (pause 1.05) 1888.5804 1559 DCB_int_01 1888.5804 drastically, for whatever path they may have been on 1891.9611 1560 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1891.9399 Uh. 1892.2018 1561 DCB_int_01 1892.3293 or whatever pa- you know what I mean? Like, 1894.1627 1562 DCB_int_01 1894.1627 (pause 0.45) 1894.6087 1563 DCB_int_01 1894.6087 oh no, Mr. /RD-NAME-2/, it [doesn't matter] 1896.5500 1564 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1895.9649 [] 1896.5737 1565 DCB_int_01 1896.8639 if Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ had a two point three but Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ said, I need to go to college. 1900.2193 1566 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1900.2314 Right. 1900.5379 1567 DCB_int_01 1900.8210 Or Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ said, I need to have a job. 1902.5500 1568 DCB_int_01 1902.5500 (pause 0.32) 1902.8710 1569 DCB_int_01 1902.8710 And how many of them went to get a job? 1904.8035 1570 DCB_int_01 1904.8035 (pause 0.35) 1905.1575 1571 DCB_int_01 1905.1575 Or went to college or 1907.1396 1572 DCB_int_01 1907.1396 (pause 0.35) 1907.4935 1573 DCB_int_01 1907.4935 you know, still tryna do what they do because Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ said it. 1910.5416 1574 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1910.5305 Right. 1910.7453 1575 DCB_int_01 1910.7752 And I think that- 1911.8017 1576 DCB_int_01 1911.8017 (pause 0.34) 1912.1415 1577 DCB_int_01 1912.1415 you can't put a price on that. You can't- 1914.4038 1578 DCB_int_01 1914.4038 (pause 0.29) 1914.6940 1579 DCB_int_01 1914.6940 you can't quantify that. [You can't] say, oh well, she did /at this/, you did that. 1919.7696 1580 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1916.4071 [Yeah.] 1916.7799 1581 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1920.7153 Yeah. 1920.9843 1582 DCB_int_01 1920.9984 Yeah, but look how many people you've touched along the way. 1923.3274 1583 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1923.7096 That's why- I- 1924.4812 1584 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1924.4812 (pause 0.16) 1924.6441 1585 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1924.6441 there are a lot of things sometimes in my life that don't make sense, that are, you know- and I have 1928.6832 1586 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1928.6832 (pause 0.82) 1929.5044 1587 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1929.5044 prayed and cried and kicked and [screamed, and /with] god, like, for real, this is- this is what's going on. 1935.0301 1588 DCB_int_01 1931.2175 [] 1932.0144 1589 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1936.2901 There are parts of my life I- I can't understand, can't figure out. 1939.1117 1590 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1939.1117 (pause 0.95) 1940.0603 1591 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1940.0603 This 1940.3434 1592 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1940.3434 (pause 0.19) 1940.5345 1593 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1940.5345 part of my life has always made sense. At the moment (snaps) that I realized it, 1943.9324 1594 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1943.9324 (pause 0.63) 1944.5666 1595 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1944.5666 at /RD-SCHOOL-2/, 1945.2745 1596 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1945.2745 (pause 0.62) 1945.8974 1597 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1945.8974 and said, hey 1946.7894 1598 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1946.7894 (pause 0.40) 1947.1858 1599 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1947.1858 Ms. /RD-NAME-2/, I really wanna start this peer mediation program cause these kids are wild. They keep coming in. Teachers keep sending them to me, and 1952.8531 1600 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1952.8531 (pause 0.55) 1953.4052 1601 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1953.4052 they just sitting and looking. 1954.4600 1602 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1954.4600 (pause 0.40) 1954.8635 1603 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1954.8635 From that point, 1956.3430 1604 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1956.3430 (pause 0.56) 1956.8993 1605 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1956.8993 through 1957.5223 1606 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1957.5223 (pause 0.32) 1957.8408 1607 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1957.8408 youth ministry and 1959.4831 1608 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1959.4831 (pause 0.74) 1960.2264 1609 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1960.2264 after school programs and mentoring programs and 1963.2674 1610 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1963.2674 (pause 0.17) 1963.4373 1611 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1963.4373 working /about/- and then I mean just all of these experiences that- that I've had, 1967.0192 1612 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1967.0192 (pause 0.54) 1967.5572 1613 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1967.5572 working with- it makes sense, 1968.8144 1614 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1968.8144 (pause 0.46) 1969.2745 1615 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1969.2745 you [know.] 1969.6222 1616 DCB_int_01 1969.4373 [Mm-hm.] 1969.8087 1617 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1969.8762 At the end of the day, 1971.0017 1618 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1971.0017 (pause 2.52) 1973.5219 1619 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1973.5219 even this transition 1974.5846 1620 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1974.5846 (pause 0.17) 1974.7537 1621 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1974.7537 for me 1975.2816 1622 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1975.2816 (pause 0.55) 1975.8337 1623 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1975.8337 back 1976.2868 1624 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1976.2868 (pause 0.26) 1976.5487 1625 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1976.5487 here 1977.0938 1626 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1977.0938 (pause 0.48) 1977.5751 1627 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1977.5751 to teen world 1978.6795 1628 DCB_int_01 1979.4552 [Cause you left the teens.] [You went to the little people.] 1981.8833 1629 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1979.4581 [makes sense.] 1980.2935 1630 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1980.2935 (pause 0.36) 1980.6515 1631 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1980.6515 [I left the teens, went] to the little [people-] 1982.6991 1632 DCB_int_01 1982.2939 [That didn't] work [out.] 1983.2070 1633 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1983.1845 And went to the little people slash grown people, 1985.1853 1634 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1985.3660 and that- 1985.7342 1635 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1985.7342 (pause 0.23) 1985.9649 1636 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1985.9649 that didn't [work out.] 1986.7577 1637 DCB_int_01 1986.2268 [Yeah, it's the grown] people that sometimes you got to check more than the little people. 1989.1858 1638 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1989.5256 And- and I had- I said this to 1991.3095 1639 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1991.3095 (pause 0.41) 1991.7201 1640 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1991.7201 one of our partners, 1992.7719 1641 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1992.7719 (pause 1.20) 1993.9753 1642 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1993.9753 if passion 1994.8319 1643 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1994.8319 (pause 0.69) 1995.5185 1644 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1995.5185 and pay 1996.3043 1645 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1996.3043 (pause 0.45) 1996.7502 1646 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1996.7502 is not enough to motivate you 1998.3642 1647 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1998.3642 (pause 1.03) 1999.3948 1648 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 1999.3948 I don't have anything else to give you. 2000.6186 1649 DCB_int_01 2001.1079 [Mm.] 2001.4606 1650 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2001.3180 [I] don't. 2001.7804 1651 DCB_int_01 2001.8229 Mm-hm. 2002.2264 1652 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2002.8777 And I- I struggle- 2004.1094 1653 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2004.1094 (pause 0.29) 2004.4038 1654 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2004.4038 And I thought I wanted to be- 2006.4496 1655 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2006.4496 (pause 0.50) 2006.9522 1656 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2006.9522 I thought I wanted to- this next phase, I wanted my life to be, alright, 2010.2764 1657 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2010.2764 (pause 0.35) 2010.6232 1658 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2010.6232 let's train the trainer. 2012.0036 1659 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2012.0036 (pause 0.26) 2012.2655 1660 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2012.2655 Let's get with these 2013.7309 1661 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2013.7309 (pause 0.15) 2013.8795 1662 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2013.8795 first- 2014.4529 1663 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2014.4529 (pause 0.53) 2014.9839 1664 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2014.9839 uh, these first responders of youth development, let's train adults. 2019.5397 1665 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2019.5397 (pause 0.45) 2019.9928 1666 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2019.9928 I don't wanna do that 2020.8706 1667 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2020.8706 (pause 0.27) 2021.1396 1668 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2021.1396 because- and not- well I don't- I don't say I don't wanna do that. Uh, let me take that back 2024.7044 1669 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2024.7044 (pause 0.45) 2025.1575 1670 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2025.1575 cause I love 2025.9362 1671 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2025.9362 (pause 0.28) 2026.2122 1672 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2026.2122 training and [teaching, like] I love to go to workshops and 2029.1471 1673 DCB_int_01 2026.8847 [Mm-hm.] 2027.2882 1674 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2029.6497 once I stop being crazy and lazy and 2031.6813 1675 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2031.6813 (pause 0.13) 2031.8158 1676 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2031.8158 to run with this idea that I have, 2033.4865 1677 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2033.4865 (pause 0.44) 2033.9224 1678 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2033.9224 you know, I'm'a get a chance to go and train, 2035.7983 1679 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2035.7983 (pause 0.28) 2036.0744 1680 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2036.0744 but 2036.4071 1681 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2036.4071 (pause 0.45) 2036.8531 1682 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2036.8531 I think in this role as a supervisor and a manager of 2039.9466 1683 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2039.9466 (pause 0.54) 2040.4816 1684 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2040.4816 staff, 2041.2037 1685 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2041.2037 (pause 0.59) 2041.7913 1686 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2041.7913 I've struggled with that. 2042.8743 1687 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2042.8743 (pause 1.54) 2044.4175 1688 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2044.4175 Passion and pay drive- w- pay doesn't even drive me. 2047.0055 1689 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2047.0055 (pause 0.25) 2047.2533 1690 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2047.2533 This is clearly ain't a place for [pay to drive] you. 2049.0513 1691 DCB_int_01 2048.4708 [Amen.] 2049.0088 1692 DCB_int_01 2049.4052 Pay [ain't] 2050.0859 1693 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2049.8300 [] 2050.7573 1694 DCB_int_01 2050.4459 [driving] you nowhere. 2051.2670 1695 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2051.5289 Passion drives me here 2052.9064 1696 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2052.9064 (pause 0.18) 2053.0834 1697 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2053.0834 but- 2053.3453 1698 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2053.3453 (pause 0.59) 2053.9399 1699 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2053.9399 And I know that that works for me, but if passion and the fact that this is your job 2058.1448 1700 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2058.1448 (pause 0.82) 2058.9630 1701 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2058.9630 doesn't drive you, I- 2060.4905 1702 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2060.4905 (pause 0.74) 2061.2283 1703 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2061.2283 And I've strugg- I don't know what else to give you. 2062.9485 1704 DCB_int_01 2063.0900 [ Mm-hm.] 2063.5077 1705 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2063.2387 [I can't] coach you 2064.4421 1706 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2064.9064 to 2065.2674 1707 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2065.2674 (pause 0.16) 2065.4231 1708 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2065.4231 care. 2065.9753 1709 DCB_int_01 2066.1381 Mm-hm. 2066.5487 1710 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2067.1009 You have to bring that with you. 2068.5733 1711 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2068.5733 (pause 0.47) 2069.0405 1712 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2069.0405 I can't coach you to say, 2070.4138 1713 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2070.4138 (pause 0.66) 2071.0763 1714 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2071.0763 /even if I-/, you know, this is my job. This is what I'm getting paid to- even though the circumstances are not perfect in this particular 2076.8144 1715 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2076.8144 (pause 0.45) 2077.2603 1716 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2077.2603 organization but 2078.2301 1717 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2078.2301 (pause 1.94) 2080.1698 1718 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2080.1698 this is where you are. 2081.3944 1719 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2081.3944 (pause 0.33) 2081.7201 1720 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2081.7201 And if it's not where you gonna- where you don't wanna be, 2083.5930 1721 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2083.5930 (pause 0.18) 2083.7771 1722 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2083.7771 then leave. 2084.5770 1723 DCB_int_01 2084.6903 Right. Get on board or get out. 2086.0919 1724 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2086.0919 Don't stay and be a blockade to 2089.3311 1725 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2090.0319 [the young person that needs] you to listen 2092.4388 1726 DCB_int_01 2090.2231 [Or a cancer.] 2091.4123 1727 DCB_int_01 2092.5096 Mm-hm. 2093.3449 1728 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2093.7171 or to hear or to bring your resources or to care. 2096.8814 1729 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2096.8814 (pause 1.78) 2098.6653 1730 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2098.6653 Like, li- and then- you know- and then, I guess the other struggle for me is that 2102.2301 1731 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2102.2301 (pause 1.07) 2103.2991 1732 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2103.2991 now not only do I not know what to give you, but now you pissing me off. 2106.4533 1733 DCB_int_01 2106.7648 I mean now you- 2107.6214 1734 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2107.9753 Cause these- these kids mean- even the- the little people sometimes- I'll struggle with tryna figure out how to reach the little people, 2113.5364 1735 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2113.5364 (pause 0.59) 2114.1310 1736 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2114.1310 and I'm, you know- it's a challenge. 2115.9574 1737 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2115.9574 (pause 0.28) 2116.2335 1738 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2116.2335 But I love these- I love young people, 2118.9135 1739 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2118.9135 (pause 0.67) 2119.5794 1740 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2119.5794 so don't- 2120.0764 1741 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2120.0764 (pause 0.57) 2120.6511 1742 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2120.6511 don't come and n- don't do that. Cause now it's personal. 2124.1769 1743 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2124.1769 (pause 0.43) 2124.6073 1744 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2124.6073 And this- this is very personal for me. That's why my fr- my friends- 2127.3439 1745 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2127.3439 (pause 0.38) 2127.7262 1746 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2127.7262 some say, you are crazy. I am, 2129.4676 1747 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2129.4676 (pause 0.44) 2129.9065 1748 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2129.9065 and I get that, 2130.5790 1749 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2130.5790 (pause 0.51) 2131.0928 1750 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2131.0928 but I'm okay with it 2132.1759 1751 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2132.1759 (pause 0.61) 2132.7847 1752 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2132.7847 because you kind of need that to do this work 2135.0287 1753 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2135.0287 (pause 0.22) 2135.2482 1754 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2135.2482 the right way, 2136.0764 1755 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2136.0764 (pause 0.65) 2136.7247 1756 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2136.7247 you know? Well you don't make time. Well, 2138.6573 1757 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2138.6573 (pause 0.21) 2138.8626 1758 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2138.8626 2139.0678 1759 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2139.0678 (pause 0.18) 2139.2448 1760 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2139.2448 okay. 2139.7899 1761 DCB_int_01 2141.1844 Do you [think] that's why you still- well I don't know if you single but 2143.7016 1762 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2141.2977 [/Th-/] 2141.4818 1763 DCB_int_01 2144.2184 not married? 2145.2307 1764 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2145.2165 Yeah. 2145.6837 1765 DCB_int_01 2146.2996 Cause you here all the time. 2147.7295 1766 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2147.7295 I am, and I think that's a big part- 2149.4214 1767 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2149.6096 I think that's a big part of it. 2150.6856 1768 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2150.6856 (pause 0.35) 2151.0395 1769 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2151.0395 I'm- 2151.3581 1770 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2151.3581 (pause 0.47) 2151.8324 1771 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2151.8324 I think as much as I give, 2153.4959 1772 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2153.4959 (pause 1.04) 2154.5365 1773 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2154.5365 and I say that as humbly as I can. I know I- I try and give a lot. 2158.4553 1774 DCB_int_01 2159.0358 You [do] give a lot. 2160.0906 1775 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2159.2340 [/At the-/] 2159.5809 1776 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2159.5809 (pause 0.48) 2160.0622 1777 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2160.0622 2160.4587 1778 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2160.9088 At the end of the day, I like going home to r- recharge, and it's just me. 2164.6239 1779 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2164.6239 (pause 0.68) 2165.3048 1780 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2165.3048 Um, 2165.7295 1781 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2165.7295 (pause 0.25) 2165.9844 1782 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2165.9844 I recently had uh, one of my godsons who now stays with me 2170.1084 1783 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2170.1084 (pause 0.45) 2170.5544 1784 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2170.5544 uh, graduate, and he's getting ready to go to school in the fall. 2173.7866 1785 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2173.7866 (pause 0.50) 2174.2821 1786 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2174.2821 And because he has an internship, uh, with Department of Energy, 2178.0764 1787 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2178.0764 (pause 0.59) 2178.6639 1788 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2178.6639 this is a little easier for him to be in DC. 2181.0466 1789 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2181.0466 (pause 0.18) 2181.2307 1790 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2181.2307 So I said, alright, well you can- you can hang. 2183.0216 1791 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2183.0216 (pause 1.03) 2184.0552 1792 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2184.0552 That's been a big adjustment 2185.4143 1793 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2185.4143 (pause 0.56) 2185.9777 1794 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2185.9777 because now I- 2186.9971 1795 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2186.9971 (pause 0.25) 2187.2448 1796 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2187.2448 I'm good with not having to say, 2189.3897 1797 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2189.3897 (pause 0.42) 2189.8145 1798 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2189.8145 oh, you know, hey let's plan 2191.7936 1799 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2191.7936 (pause 0.41) 2192.2042 1800 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2192.2042 what are we doing for dinner. 2194.1155 1801 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2194.1155 (pause 0.50) 2194.6111 1802 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2194.6111 I'm fine with going home and not having to have that conversation and not have to say- and not have to think, 2199.6979 1803 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2199.6979 (pause 0.55) 2200.2500 1804 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2200.2500 oh wait, there's two of us. 2201.7862 1805 DCB_int_01 2202.0009 [Mm-hm.] 2202.3459 1806 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2202.1543 [And people], you know, it would be great- companionship would be cool! 2205.1599 1807 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2205.5280 But it takes more work than I want to [put in right] now. 2208.2534 1808 DCB_int_01 2207.3473 [/???/] 2207.8837 1809 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2208.7418 And I'm okay with that. 2209.7795 1810 DCB_int_01 2210.0819 [Mm.] 2210.3839 1811 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2210.1688 [It's all you] need- you need- you need some love. 2211.9456 1812 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2212.6040 I'm good. 2213.1703 1813 DCB_int_01 2213.2977 [] 2213.5384 1814 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2213.7437 I'm good. [I- Just cause I don't have-] just cause I'm not dating somebody doesn't mean I'm void of love, like 2218.4270 1815 DCB_int_01 2214.3666 [/inaudible/] 2215.1949 1816 DCB_int_01 2215.1949 (pause 3.13) 2218.3208 1817 DCB_int_01 2218.3208 Mm-hm. 2218.8093 1818 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2219.2482 mm, I still- I still have that, 2220.9471 1819 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2220.9471 (pause 0.13) 2221.0816 1820 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2221.0816 but 2221.4143 1821 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2221.4143 (pause 1.23) 2222.6431 1822 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2222.6431 I'm just not at that place where I wanna put that 2224.7172 1823 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2224.7172 (pause 0.18) 2224.9013 1824 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2224.9013 work 2225.3897 1825 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2225.3897 (pause 0.23) 2225.6163 1826 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2225.6163 into- 2226.3383 1827 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2226.3383 (pause 0.95) 2227.2840 1828 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2227.2840 that's work. 2227.9494 1829 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2227.9494 (pause 0.71) 2228.6573 1830 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2228.6573 Relationships are work, 2229.9032 1831 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2229.9032 (pause 0.79) 2230.6889 1832 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2230.6889 and I'm already in like, eighty relationships at one time right now, so I don't really have time for eighty one. 2235.5665 1833 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2235.5665 (pause 0.44) 2236.0093 1834 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2236.0093 And I'm okay w- and right now I'm okay with- /I thi-/ I would like to think at the point where 2239.8220 1835 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2239.8220 (pause 0.46) 2240.2821 1836 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2240.2821 I do want to /add/ 2241.7474 1837 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2241.7474 (pause 0.44) 2242.1863 1838 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2242.1863 I'm either gonna d- 2243.0287 1839 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2243.0287 (pause 0.40) 2243.4322 1840 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2243.4322 subtract some 2244.4020 1841 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2244.4020 (pause 0.18) 2244.5861 1842 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2244.5861 or I'll make room. 2245.3364 1843 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2245.3364 (pause 0.69) 2246.0272 1844 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2246.0272 But that person has to understand. 2247.7616 1845 DCB_int_01 2249.7720 This is what you- you coming with the other eighty. 2251.5276 1846 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2251.7299 All of this. 2252.5723 1847 DCB_int_01 2252.9302 Mm-hm. 2253.3175 1848 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2253.6129 You know. 2254.0306 1849 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2254.0306 (pause 0.41) 2254.4412 1850 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2254.4412 And I don't know if that means I gotta- I got to be in a relationship with somebody that's in youth development, that gets it, 2258.5369 1851 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2258.5369 (pause 0.78) 2259.3156 1852 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2259.3156 or [is in human] services and gets it. That's a lot that you bring home. 2262.5365 1853 DCB_int_01 2259.5563 [Ooh.] 2260.1155 1854 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2262.8805 Last serious relationship I was in, you know, 2265.0254 1855 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2265.0254 (pause 0.63) 2265.6554 1856 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2265.6554 girlfriend, 2266.2571 1857 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2266.2571 (pause 0.53) 2266.7880 1858 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2266.7880 oddly enough. 2267.4605 1859 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2267.4605 (pause 0.81) 2268.2675 1860 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2268.2675 Um, 2268.9683 1861 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2268.9683 (pause 1.43) 2270.4024 1862 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2270.4024 we both were in youth work, 2271.7474 1863 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2271.7474 (pause 0.45) 2272.1934 1864 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2272.1934 and 2272.8163 1865 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2272.8163 (pause 1.36) 2274.1755 1866 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2274.1755 we got that. And that was a good part 2276.0768 1867 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2276.0768 (pause 0.18) 2276.2608 1868 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2276.2608 of- that was a good part of us 2277.8182 1869 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2277.8182 (pause 0.42) 2278.2359 1870 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2278.2359 because we got it. 2279.6375 1871 DCB_int_01 2279.7932 Mm-hm. 2280.2817 1872 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2280.5011 We can come home and talk about the- the good and the bad and cry about the bad and celebrate the good and go 2285.7012 1873 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2285.7012 (pause 0.52) 2286.2180 1874 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2286.2180 you know, show up for each other's kids at events and programs and like, who was that? Oh. Oh, okay cool. Yeah, [/well/ you go.] I don't know your name little boy, but 2293.7087 1875 DCB_int_01 2291.8994 [Mm.] 2292.2463 1876 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2294.1405 good job. [I'm proud of you for getting] that award cause you broke your foot and you still ran it- across the track or [whatever.] 2299.3010 1877 DCB_int_01 2294.4166 [] 2295.4501 1878 DCB_int_01 2295.4501 (pause 3.44) 2298.8875 1879 DCB_int_01 2298.8875 [] 2299.3264 1880 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2300.1547 You know, 2301.1103 1881 DCB_int_01 2301.1316 [] 2302.1155 1882 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2301.6271 [but it's-] 2302.1297 1883 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2302.3845 it was a good- 2303.4110 1884 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2303.4110 (pause 1.05) 2304.4587 1885 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2304.4587 that was a good part of that, 2305.9918 1886 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2305.9918 (pause 0.45) 2306.4449 1887 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2306.4449 so. 2306.8413 1888 DCB_int_01 2306.9404 So I want to ask you a little bit about community 2308.8871 1889 DCB_int_01 2308.8871 (pause 0.31) 2309.1986 1890 DCB_int_01 2309.1986 um, 2309.8711 1891 DCB_int_01 2309.8711 (pause 0.68) 2310.5548 1892 DCB_int_01 2310.5548 cause I feel, personally. DC is a very unique place. 2313.8678 1893 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2313.8678 [Mm-hm.] 2314.3704 1894 DCB_int_01 2314.1226 [Um], especially cause you did go away to Baltimore, 2316.7064 1895 DCB_int_01 2317.3972 um, which I am realizing and I've learned that it is a very different world [cause I'm thinking] /eight/ to forty five minutes away, well how different can they be? It's a very different [world], 2324.5228 1896 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2320.5049 [Mm.] 2320.9225 1897 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2320.9225 (pause 1.95) 2322.8763 1898 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2322.8763 [Mm.] 2323.4709 1899 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2323.4709 (pause 0.80) 2324.2679 1900 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2324.2679 [Mm-hm.] 2324.7281 1901 DCB_int_01 2324.8767 um, and people have very strong feelings about that. 2327.1066 1902 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2327.2411 Yeah. 2327.5101 1903 DCB_int_01 2327.7366 So, when you were in Deanwood, that's Northeast and you 2330.0343 1904 DCB_int_01 2330.0343 (pause 0.49) 2330.5228 1905 DCB_int_01 2330.5228 now work- and you live in [Southeast], 2332.5261 1906 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2332.3987 [Yup.] 2332.6535 1907 DCB_int_01 2333.0146 like, you don't live far from here. 2334.4799 1908 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2334.5011 Mm-mm. 2334.9046 1909 DCB_int_01 2334.9654 How do you see the community like, 2336.5652 1910 DCB_int_01 2336.5652 (pause 0.18) 2336.7422 1911 DCB_int_01 2336.7422 the people, 2337.7899 1912 DCB_int_01 2337.7899 (pause 0.69) 2338.4766 1913 DCB_int_01 2338.4766 like, how the city's changing. How do you 2340.9046 1914 DCB_int_01 2340.9046 (pause 0.35) 2341.2556 1915 DCB_int_01 2341.2556 see that and then how do you feel about it? 2343.2165 1916 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2343.7262 I think, 2344.1226 1917 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2344.1226 (pause 0.41) 2344.5332 1918 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2344.5332 like when I think back to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, I remember people who- I mean, there were families in the community who were there for years, 2352.8103 1919 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2352.8103 (pause 0.40) 2353.2061 1920 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2353.2061 decades. 2354.0768 1921 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2354.0768 (pause 0.52) 2354.6006 1922 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2354.6006 And so, uh, Miss /RD-NAME-2/ who lived on 2357.3614 1923 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2357.3614 (pause 1.95) 2359.3123 1924 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2359.3123 /RD-ADDRESS-8/ 2361.5067 1925 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2361.5067 (pause 0.15) 2361.6554 1926 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2361.6554 which was a block and half away from /RD-SCHOOL-2/, 2364.2604 1927 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2364.2604 (pause 0.64) 2364.9046 1928 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2364.9046 uh, and who always passed out the little butter cookies with the 2368.2429 1929 DCB_int_01 2368.4695 The little [s- with the hole and you put the finger in it. ] 2371.3577 1930 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2368.7456 [ring around it that you put on your finger on it. Yup!] 2371.2515 1931 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2371.5105 She would pass those out with 2372.6927 1932 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2372.6927 (pause 0.35) 2373.0466 1933 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2373.0466 sweet Kool Aid. I never understood the connection. Like cookies and milk, 2376.7418 1934 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2376.7418 (pause 0.34) 2377.0857 1935 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2377.0857 yeah. But not cookies and Kool Aid. 2378.8696 1936 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2378.8696 (pause 0.53) 2379.4006 1937 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2379.4006 Uh, but she always passed those out after school, 2381.4959 1938 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2381.4959 (pause 0.46) 2381.9561 1939 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2381.9561 and nobody's mother said, well are you- who is this lady? 2385.1528 1940 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2385.1528 (pause 0.48) 2385.6342 1941 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2385.6342 Who is this house you going to? Where'd those cookies come from? 2388.7772 1942 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2388.7772 (pause 0.80) 2389.5813 1943 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2389.5813 There was a sense of- 2390.7139 1944 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2390.7139 (pause 0.33) 2391.0466 1945 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2391.0466 that we were connected 2392.1722 1946 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2392.1722 (pause 0.61) 2392.7809 1947 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2392.7809 when there was an issue. 2393.9207 1948 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2393.9207 (pause 0.11) 2394.0339 1949 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2394.0339 Perfect example. 2395.3681 1950 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2395.3681 (pause 0.17) 2395.5388 1951 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2395.5388 Fifth grade year, 2396.6714 1952 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2396.6714 (pause 0.55) 2397.2236 1953 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2397.2236 uh, 2398.0235 1954 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2398.0235 (pause 0.18) 2398.2005 1955 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2398.2005 we were welcomed by Miss /RD-NAME-1/, who was a new teacher, 2401.3335 1956 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2401.3335 (pause 0.63) 2401.9635 1957 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2401.9635 but she would not be with us long 2403.7828 1958 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2403.7828 (pause 0.65) 2404.4341 1959 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2404.4341 because in her third week, Miss /RD-NAME-1/ decided that she wanted to curse 2408.4945 1960 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2408.4945 (pause 0.50) 2408.9971 1961 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2408.9971 at the fifth grade class of /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary School, 2411.9207 1962 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2411.9207 (pause 0.51) 2412.4274 1963 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2412.4274 many of whom had been together since 2414.7705 1964 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2414.7705 (pause 0.80) 2415.5704 1965 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2415.5704 pre kindergarten and even at Tabernacle 2418.2180 1966 DCB_int_01 2418.3849 2418.7672 1967 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2418.7560 across the street. 2419.7134 1968 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2420.3458 This was a community of parents, 2422.2925 1969 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2422.2925 (pause 0.52) 2422.8093 1970 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2422.8093 students. 2423.7791 1971 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2423.7791 (pause 0.40) 2424.1755 1972 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2424.1755 We had been sleepovers. We had been- I mean, friends, Chuck E. Cheese, the whole nine. 2428.7330 1973 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2428.7330 (pause 1.00) 2429.7295 1974 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2429.7295 That night, 2430.4303 1975 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2430.4303 (pause 1.10) 2431.5317 1976 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2431.5317 every child must have gone home and told their parents because that night at [Tabernacle], 2435.6304 1977 DCB_int_01 2435.3260 [] 2436.1259 1978 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2436.1330 every parent was in the church 2438.3316 1979 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2438.3316 (pause 0.23) 2438.5652 1980 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2438.5652 hall 2439.0820 1981 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2439.0820 (pause 0.30) 2439.3793 1982 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2439.3793 to meet. 2439.8324 1983 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2439.8324 (pause 0.56) 2440.3916 1984 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2440.3916 And the next morning, 2441.3709 1985 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2441.3709 (pause 0.49) 2441.8569 1986 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2441.8569 every parent 2442.5153 1987 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2442.5153 (pause 0.37) 2442.8834 1988 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2442.8834 was in the principal's office. 2444.5015 1989 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2444.5015 (pause 0.36) 2444.8626 1990 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2444.8626 By the afternoon, Miss /RD-NAME-1/ was gone. 2446.9438 1991 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2446.9438 (pause 1.36) 2448.3029 1992 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2448.3029 I- I- that moment- I always tell people that story. That moment stood out to me because I had never seen a group of parents or people 2454.5011 1993 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2454.5011 (pause 0.40) 2454.9046 1994 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2454.9046 move and shift something so quickly. 2456.9263 1995 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2456.9263 (pause 0.93) 2457.8536 1996 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2457.8536 Every child must have gone home and said, Miss /RD-NAME-1/ uh, lost her mind and cussed at us. 2461.8715 1997 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2461.8715 (pause 0.56) 2462.4307 1998 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2462.4307 A- and I may- I r- I can visually see 2464.8659 1999 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2464.8659 (pause 0.39) 2465.2552 2000 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2465.2552 sitting in the basement of Tabernacle, these parents in this huddle, 2468.6997 2001 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2468.6997 (pause 0.53) 2469.2307 2002 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2469.2307 in these chairs, 2470.4341 2003 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2470.4341 (pause 0.32) 2470.7526 2004 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2470.7526 and, you know, what took less than a hour 2472.8126 2005 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2472.8126 (pause 0.36) 2473.1707 2006 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2473.1707 and then everybody showed up the next morning. 2474.8980 2007 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2474.8980 (pause 1.22) 2476.1226 2008 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2476.1226 Nobody said, oh, well just get out. I gotta go to work. 2478.3171 2009 DCB_int_01 2479.7405 Mm-mm. 2480.3741 2010 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2480.7776 [Just get out, I gotta go get my coffee.] 2482.6960 2011 DCB_int_01 2480.8059 [So it was a sense of- it was concern], yeah. 2483.1703 2012 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2484.0198 No. 2484.5436 2013 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2484.5436 (pause 0.18) 2484.7277 2014 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2484.7277 This woman is crazy. 2485.7582 2015 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2485.7582 (pause 0.21) 2485.9635 2016 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2485.9635 She cussing at our kids. She got to go. 2487.6554 2017 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2487.6554 (pause 0.76) 2488.4199 2018 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2488.4199 And they didn't leave until that woman was gone. Miss /RD-NAME-1/ was gone 2491.1736 2019 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2491.1736 (pause 0.85) 2492.0202 2020 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2492.0202 that afternoon. 2492.7988 2021 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2492.7988 (pause 0.47) 2493.2661 2022 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2493.2661 Out. 2493.6554 2023 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2493.6554 (pause 0.84) 2494.4978 2024 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2494.4978 Before there was principal autonomy 2496.8763 2025 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2496.8763 (pause 0.33) 2497.2061 2026 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2497.2061 in the schools, 2498.1405 2027 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2498.1405 (pause 0.23) 2498.3741 2028 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2498.3741 Miss /RD-NAME-1/ was gone. 2499.2731 2029 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2499.2731 (pause 1.98) 2501.2552 2030 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2501.2552 There was a- a- a connectedness, a belonging, a protection, 2505.0112 2031 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2505.0112 (pause 2.31) 2507.3189 2032 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2507.3189 and then people moved. 2508.6752 2033 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2508.6752 (pause 0.50) 2509.1707 2034 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2509.1707 And I think all of the societal ills that we've dealt with 2511.4997 2035 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2511.4997 (pause 0.45) 2511.9527 2036 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2511.9527 from the crack ep- epidemic to the violence 2514.6356 2037 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2514.6356 (pause 0.46) 2515.0928 2038 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2515.0928 to gentrification that has split the community 2518.1368 2039 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2518.1368 (pause 0.28) 2518.4128 2040 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2518.4128 and sent people running every which away. 2520.7347 2041 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2520.7347 (pause 0.48) 2521.2132 2042 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2521.2132 Older people passing- 2522.7493 2043 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2522.7493 (pause 0.38) 2523.1245 2044 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2523.1245 f- uh, older people retiring and moving down south, 2525.7437 2045 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2525.7437 (pause 0.42) 2526.1684 2046 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2526.1684 all of that. 2526.7631 2047 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2526.7631 (pause 0.68) 2527.4397 2048 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2527.4397 You drive through Deanwood now it's a different f- It's a whole different feel. It's a different vibe. 2530.9225 2049 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2530.9225 (pause 0.64) 2531.5596 2050 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2531.5596 And 2532.0976 2051 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2532.0976 (pause 0.15) 2532.2463 2052 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2532.2463 I see that in- even in Southeast. It's not- 2535.0325 2053 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2535.0325 (pause 1.12) 2536.1509 2054 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2536.1509 And I moved here particular- specifically 2538.1613 2055 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2538.1613 (pause 0.49) 2538.6498 2056 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2538.6498 because this is where I serve. 2540.4237 2057 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2540.4237 (pause 0.67) 2541.0962 2058 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2541.0962 So I wanted to be able to live in the same place. That was important for me to have that connection. 2545.1748 2059 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2545.1748 (pause 0.80) 2545.9777 2060 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2545.9777 And find people that care 2547.2448 2061 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2547.2448 (pause 1.47) 2548.7102 2062 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2548.7102 at all- I didn't find businesses that cared, 2550.8480 2063 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2550.8480 (pause 0.28) 2551.1312 2064 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2551.1312 that said, oh well you at the /RD-WORK-5/ down the street? Oh, well let's work with you on this and that. 2555.2411 2065 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2555.2411 (pause 0.82) 2556.0622 2066 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2556.0622 I didn't find people, and I still don't. 2557.4285 2067 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2557.4285 (pause 0.85) 2558.2821 2068 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2558.2821 The kids that we serve in- in /RD-WORK-3/, 2560.6181 2069 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2560.6181 (pause 0.64) 2561.2552 2070 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2561.2552 are not coming from the community. 2563.4214 2071 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2563.4214 (pause 0.79) 2564.2113 2072 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2564.2113 They're not. 2564.7068 2073 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2564.7068 (pause 1.77) 2566.4766 2074 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2566.4766 And I [think that that-] 2567.4039 2075 DCB_int_01 2566.7314 [Why?] 2567.1491 2076 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2567.5879 I think that that says a lot about what we look at 2570.1193 2077 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2570.1193 (pause 0.64) 2570.7635 2078 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2570.7635 as community. 2571.8394 2079 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2571.8394 (pause 0.35) 2572.1863 2080 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2572.1863 The fact that we can 2573.2694 2081 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2573.2694 (pause 0.41) 2573.6800 2082 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2573.6800 have Parkland 2574.9400 2083 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2574.9400 (pause 0.62) 2575.5600 2084 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2575.5600 here at nineteenth, and then two blocks over 2578.2925 2085 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2578.2925 (pause 0.64) 2578.9367 2086 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2578.9367 at twenty second have a deuce deuce, 2580.9329 2087 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2580.9329 (pause 0.37) 2581.2981 2088 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2581.2981 and there's a beef. Y'all two blocks apart from each other, 2583.6908 2089 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2583.6908 (pause 0.76) 2584.4482 2090 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2584.4482 but Parkland kids won't walk up twenty second street. 2586.7984 2091 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2586.7984 (pause 0.99) 2587.7866 2092 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2587.7866 Twenty second kids won't walk through Parkland. 2589.8041 2093 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2589.8041 (pause 0.21) 2590.0164 2094 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2590.0164 At all. 2590.5544 2095 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2590.5544 (pause 0.86) 2591.4181 2096 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2591.4181 It's a death- 2592.0127 2097 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2592.0127 (pause 0.34) 2592.3525 2098 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2592.3525 death war- or death threat if you do. 2594.3175 2099 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2594.3175 (pause 0.33) 2594.6502 2100 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2594.6502 If I drive the Club bus up twenty second, kids duck down on the seat, they're telling me to go the other direction. 2600.5350 2101 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2600.5350 (pause 2.35) 2602.8871 2102 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2602.8871 It's a breakdown of what family and community 2606.0060 2103 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2606.0060 (pause 0.83) 2606.8342 2104 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2606.8342 mean, and we aren't- 2608.2146 2105 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2608.2146 (pause 0.50) 2608.7102 2106 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2608.7102 and I think there's a lot of [issues for them.] 2610.5068 2107 DCB_int_01 2609.9631 [Where'd that beef] come from? Like, cause I've heard you talk about this before but I didn't realize it was like, too- like, I didn't realize- I knew, but I didn't know. 2616.8763 2108 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2617.0645 Yeah. 2617.4751 2109 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2617.4751 (pause 0.13) 2617.6096 2110 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2617.6096 This bee- And I- I mean, it's- it's been here I think as long as the Club has been here cause 2621.5809 2111 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2621.5809 (pause 0.39) 2621.9702 2112 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2621.9702 um like, /RD-NAME-1/ 2623.0462 2113 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2623.0462 (pause 0.11) 2623.1565 2114 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2623.1565 um, 2623.6945 2115 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2623.6945 (pause 0.27) 2623.9635 2116 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2623.9635 /RD-NAME-2/ 2624.7869 2117 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2624.7869 (pause 0.34) 2625.1245 2118 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2625.1245 used to talk about, you know, 2626.6606 2119 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2626.6606 (pause 0.60) 2627.2623 2120 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2627.2623 how they used to try and go and stand in between 2630.5644 2121 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2630.5644 (pause 0.69) 2631.2590 2122 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2631.2590 uh, 2631.8961 2123 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2631.8961 (pause 0.13) 2632.0306 2124 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2632.0306 factions between- from both communities. 2634.3949 2125 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2634.3949 (pause 0.49) 2634.8875 2126 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2634.8875 Um, and I think it started with 2637.1386 2127 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2637.1386 (pause 0.14) 2637.2802 2128 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2637.2802 a- a violent act. Somebody might have been killed 2639.8216 2129 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2639.8216 (pause 0.48) 2640.3029 2130 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2640.3029 in Parkland by somebody from twenty second, and then it's just gone back and forth, back and forth. 2644.3491 2131 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2644.3491 (pause 0.27) 2644.6181 2132 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2644.6181 I think the same with- with Parkland and then Congress Park, which is 2647.8166 2133 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2647.8166 (pause 0.42) 2648.2396 2134 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2648.2396 two blocks over on the other side of the Giant. 2650.2217 2135 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2650.2217 (pause 0.96) 2651.1774 2136 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2651.1774 Uh, that whole little shopping center, that community on the other side, 2653.9989 2137 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2653.9989 (pause 0.35) 2654.3458 2138 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2654.3458 you know. You- if you from Congress Park, you don't necessarily- 2657.2482 2139 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2657.2482 (pause 0.48) 2657.7295 2140 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2657.7295 are not necessarily welcome in Parkland. 2659.5530 2141 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2659.5530 (pause 0.36) 2659.9140 2142 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2659.9140 And- and it's- it's weird to see 2661.8678 2143 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2661.8678 (pause 0.38) 2662.2500 2144 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2662.2500 Parkland just kind of dropped in the middle 2664.1330 2145 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2664.1330 (pause 0.42) 2664.5507 2146 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2664.5507 of all of this 2665.8078 2147 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2665.8078 (pause 1.57) 2667.3793 2148 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2667.3793 /interestingness/. 2668.9579 2149 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2668.9579 (pause 0.88) 2669.8428 2150 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2669.8428 Um, 2670.3666 2151 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2670.3666 (pause 0.81) 2671.1778 2152 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2671.1778 and when I moved here, 2672.3600 2153 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2672.3600 (pause 0.25) 2672.6077 2154 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2672.6077 the only stipulation I gave the rental office was I didn't wanna live 2675.5101 2155 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2675.5101 (pause 0.50) 2676.0127 2156 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2676.0127 on Stanton Road, on the one way street 2677.6709 2157 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2677.6709 (pause 1.57) 2679.2377 2158 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2679.2377 because I- 2679.6766 2159 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2679.6766 (pause 0.24) 2679.9173 2160 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2679.9173 I drove past- and then you talked about Joe Clarke- that one way street felt like East Side High 2684.4551 2161 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2684.4551 (pause 0.27) 2684.7210 2162 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2684.7210 prior to Joe Clarke. 2685.6342 2163 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2685.6342 (pause 1.67) 2687.3048 2164 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2687.3048 [When you would] drive up the street, the en- the 2689.2303 2165 DCB_int_01 2687.3233 [Mm.] 2687.6047 2166 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2689.5883 energy, and I'm a big reader, 2691.4006 2167 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2691.4006 (pause 0.57) 2691.9739 2168 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2691.9739 spiritual person- big reader of energy 2694.2356 2169 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2694.2356 (pause 0.63) 2694.8622 2170 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2694.8622 that comes out of people and places 2696.9900 2171 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2696.9900 (pause 0.42) 2697.4076 2172 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2697.4076 and the ground 2698.6748 2173 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2698.6748 (pause 0.83) 2699.5030 2174 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2699.5030 and- and- and all- I think all of that- 2702.4945 2175 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2702.4945 (pause 1.31) 2703.8041 2176 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2703.8041 the- the drugs, 2704.9296 2177 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2704.9296 (pause 0.33) 2705.2552 2178 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2705.2552 the violence, the blood that's on these grounds, all that stuff just talks 2709.4076 2179 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2709.4076 (pause 0.55) 2709.9527 2180 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2709.9527 and speaks. And when you come up that street, 2712.4657 2181 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2712.4657 (pause 0.18) 2712.6498 2182 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2712.6498 there's so- 2713.6709 2183 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2713.6709 (pause 0.38) 2714.0556 2184 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2714.0556 and the street is two blocks, 2715.7962 2185 DCB_int_01 2716.3916 Mm-hm. 2716.9013 2186 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2717.4888 but it is the most- 2719.1878 2187 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2719.1878 (pause 1.06) 2720.2467 2188 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2720.2467 I can't even really think of the word. It's the most- 2722.6903 2189 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2722.6903 (pause 1.38) 2724.0693 2190 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2724.0693 it's heavy, like your heart gets heavy coming up those- up- up those two blocks. 2728.0731 2191 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2728.0731 (pause 1.45) 2729.5242 2192 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2729.5242 And, I mean I think it' just- 2731.1453 2193 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2731.1453 (pause 0.44) 2731.5813 2194 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2731.5813 It's an example of 2732.5936 2195 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2732.5936 (pause 0.39) 2732.9829 2196 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2732.9829 the breakdown 2733.8253 2197 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2733.8253 (pause 0.67) 2734.4907 2198 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2734.4907 um, of 2735.7649 2199 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2735.7649 (pause 0.59) 2736.3566 2200 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2736.3566 a community, of a people. 2738.0626 2201 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2738.0626 (pause 0.59) 2738.6573 2202 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2738.6573 I mean, you have to- I think it goes back to systemic things that were 2741.3968 2203 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2741.3968 (pause 0.52) 2741.9136 2204 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2741.9136 put in us 2742.6356 2205 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2742.6356 (pause 0.14) 2742.7772 2206 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2742.7772 during slavery 2743.8149 2207 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2743.8149 (pause 0.54) 2744.3529 2208 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2744.3529 and Jim Crow 2745.4006 2209 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2745.4006 (pause 0.28) 2745.6766 2210 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2745.6766 and all those things that just 2746.9933 2211 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2746.9933 (pause 0.37) 2747.3614 2212 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2747.3614 are bearing fruit. 2748.3460 2213 DCB_int_01 2748.8268 Mm. 2749.1312 2214 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2749.4114 Um, 2750.1617 2215 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2750.1617 (pause 0.94) 2751.1032 2216 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2751.1032 bearing fruit now. 2752.2005 2217 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2752.2005 (pause 0.64) 2752.8376 2218 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2752.8376 It's just- [it's broken.] 2754.1189 2219 DCB_int_01 2753.4464 [Do you have kids] from both? 2754.6356 2220 DCB_int_01 2755.1636 Like, 2755.4468 2221 DCB_int_01 2755.4468 (pause 0.51) 2755.9565 2222 DCB_int_01 2755.9565 is the Club kind of a neutral ground or is- is it like exclusively serving one- 2760.4516 2223 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2761.0999 It used to be neutral. 2762.3407 2224 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2762.3407 (pause 0.19) 2762.5298 2225 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2762.5298 Um, 2763.0041 2226 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2763.0041 (pause 0.21) 2763.2165 2227 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2763.2165 2763.6342 2228 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2763.6342 (pause 0.35) 2763.9810 2229 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2763.9810 we predominantly 2764.9154 2230 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2764.9154 (pause 0.17) 2765.0853 2231 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2765.0853 serve Parkland 2766.0835 2232 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2766.0835 (pause 0.49) 2766.5719 2233 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2766.5719 from kids that come in the community of Parkland, Congress Park, 2769.0962 2234 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2769.0962 (pause 0.76) 2769.8607 2235 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2769.8607 um, but 2770.6040 2236 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2770.6040 (pause 0.43) 2771.0358 2237 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2771.0358 I don't- we don't have any from twenty second. Covenant House 2773.3056 2238 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2773.3056 (pause 0.64) 2773.9423 2239 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2773.9423 gets kids from twenty second. 2775.0112 2240 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2775.0112 (pause 0.38) 2775.3935 2241 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2775.3935 But what was beautiful about 2776.8093 2242 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2776.8093 (pause 0.57) 2777.3756 2243 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2777.3756 um, 2778.0694 2244 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2778.0694 (pause 1.31) 2779.3831 2245 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2779.3831 when we did our Balling at the Art 2780.7281 2246 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2780.7281 (pause 0.35) 2781.0820 2247 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2781.0820 series- 2781.8111 2248 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2781.8111 (pause 0.66) 2782.4695 2249 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2782.4695 and this was before I knew all of this, about the beef. I just said, hey, 2785.7896 2250 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2785.7896 (pause 0.51) 2786.3033 2251 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2786.3033 y'all our partners. 2787.5634 2252 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2787.5634 (pause 0.16) 2787.7262 2253 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2787.7262 Y'all got some guys. We got some guys. Let's play ball. 2790.3809 2254 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2790.3809 (pause 0.96) 2791.3406 2255 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2791.3406 Didn't know anything about the beefing issue. 2792.8555 2256 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2792.8555 (pause 0.28) 2793.1316 2257 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2793.1316 We went six weeks 2794.2359 2258 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2794.2359 (pause 0.80) 2795.0358 2259 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2795.0358 practicing, 2795.8145 2260 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2795.8145 (pause 0.35) 2796.1684 2261 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2796.1684 having these games, 2797.3081 2262 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2797.3081 (pause 0.61) 2797.9211 2263 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2797.9211 never issue. 2798.6856 2264 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2798.6856 (pause 0.74) 2799.4218 2265 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2799.4218 Kids from twenty second and Parkland in one place. 2801.9277 2266 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2801.9277 (pause 0.67) 2802.6002 2267 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2802.6002 Dapped each other up after the game. 2804.0420 2268 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2804.0420 (pause 0.35) 2804.3883 2269 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2804.3883 We crossed from every- every- all three games we won, 2806.4058 2270 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2806.4058 (pause 0.57) 2806.9792 2271 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2806.9792 dapped each other up. 2807.7346 2272 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2807.7346 (pause 0.14) 2807.8768 2273 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2807.8768 We sat down- 2808.7489 2274 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2808.7489 (pause 0.17) 2808.9229 2275 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2808.9229 the la- the last- after the last game- that Saturday- that next day, 2811.8607 2276 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2811.8607 (pause 0.38) 2812.2429 2277 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2812.2429 Saturday morning, we sat down with Chick Fil A 2814.0693 2278 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2814.0693 (pause 0.47) 2814.5365 2279 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2814.5365 and talked about what it meant to be 2816.5440 2280 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2816.5440 (pause 0.57) 2817.1174 2281 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2817.1174 young black men 2818.0235 2282 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2818.0235 (pause 0.24) 2818.2642 2283 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2818.2642 in Southeast. 2819.0712 2284 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2819.0712 (pause 0.54) 2819.6092 2285 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2819.6092 No issue. 2820.1826 2286 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2820.1826 (pause 1.88) 2822.0626 2287 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2822.0626 So it can work. 2822.7705 2288 DCB_int_01 2824.1934 What do you feel like is the 2825.8428 2289 DCB_int_01 2825.8428 (pause 0.63) 2826.4711 2290 DCB_int_01 2826.4711 male- 2827.3364 2291 DCB_int_01 2827.3364 (pause 0.40) 2827.7370 2292 DCB_int_01 2827.7370 see because Southeast, if you think about DC, it's the roughest part of the- the city- 2832.3100 2293 DCB_int_01 2832.3100 (pause 0.38) 2832.6852 2294 DCB_int_01 2832.6852 uh, that's the perception, 2833.9069 2295 DCB_int_01 2833.9069 (pause 0.45) 2834.3529 2296 DCB_int_01 2834.3529 um, 2835.0820 2297 DCB_int_01 2835.0820 (pause 0.22) 2835.3014 2298 DCB_int_01 2835.3014 especially Ward Eight. Oh, 2836.8517 2299 DCB_int_01 2836.8517 (pause 0.33) 2837.1774 2300 DCB_int_01 2837.1774 like, 2837.6587 2301 DCB_int_01 2837.6587 (pause 0.42) 2838.0835 2302 DCB_int_01 2838.0835 you gonna get shot up if you [just walk] over there. [You know, if you] [cross that] line- 2841.7975 2303 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2839.2840 [Mm-hm.] 2839.7228 2304 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2839.7228 (pause 0.58) 2840.3033 2305 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2840.3033 [Yup.] 2840.6785 2306 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2840.6785 (pause 0.20) 2840.8767 2307 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2840.8767 [] 2841.3014 2308 DCB_int_01 2842.2925 Um, what do you think is the perception or what does it mean to be a black male in ward eight? 2848.5403 2309 DCB_int_01 2848.5403 (pause 0.16) 2848.6960 2310 DCB_int_01 2848.6960 Or not even just male- I won't even just say- but to be a black person in ward eight. In- in this time, 2854.0164 2311 DCB_int_01 2854.0164 (pause 0.36) 2854.3774 2312 DCB_int_01 2854.3774 in DC as- as gentrification is running rampant, like 2857.4993 2313 DCB_int_01 2857.4993 (pause 0.58) 2858.0768 2314 DCB_int_01 2858.0768 what does that mean? 2859.2094 2315 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2859.2802 To be feared. 2860.1084 2316 DCB_int_01 2861.4039 Because you're from [Southeast?] 2862.5224 2317 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2862.3100 [Yeah.] 2862.7347 2318 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2864.7351 Um, 2865.5563 2319 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2865.5563 (pause 3.02) 2868.5719 2320 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2868.5719 yeah. 2869.0391 2321 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2869.0391 (pause 1.37) 2870.4095 2322 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2870.4095 That you are going to 2871.8819 2323 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2871.8819 (pause 0.81) 2872.6960 2324 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2872.6960 do something dangerous 2874.4587 2325 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2874.4587 (pause 0.56) 2875.0220 2326 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2875.0220 or bad 2875.7441 2327 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2875.7441 (pause 1.74) 2877.4855 2328 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2877.4855 just by your presence. 2878.6040 2329 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2878.6040 (pause 0.30) 2878.9013 2330 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2878.9013 2879.4039 2331 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2879.4039 (pause 1.02) 2880.4233 2332 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2880.4233 Um, 2881.1382 2333 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2881.1382 (pause 1.87) 2883.0041 2334 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2883.0041 I think about 2883.9810 2335 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2883.9810 (pause 1.68) 2885.6658 2336 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2885.6658 uh- we took the teens to go see Fruitvale Station 2888.4188 2337 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2888.4188 (pause 0.28) 2888.6997 2338 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2888.6997 when it [came out], 2889.3652 2339 DCB_int_01 2888.9404 [Mm.] Mm-hm. 2889.8819 2340 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2890.5119 and then caught the train back on the green line. 2893.6709 2341 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2893.6709 (pause 1.31) 2894.9829 2342 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2894.9829 And on the train, 2896.9579 2343 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2896.9579 (pause 0.35) 2897.3119 2344 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2897.3119 uh, eight or nine of the teens left with me. 2899.5954 2345 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2899.5954 (pause 0.70) 2900.2932 2346 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2900.2932 There was a group of White and Asian people who got on around 2904.9471 2347 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2904.9471 (pause 1.00) 2905.9494 2348 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2905.9494 Navy Yard. 2907.6129 2349 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2907.6129 (pause 1.39) 2909.0004 2350 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2909.0004 And I don't think they realized I was the chaperone or the staff person with them 2913.1740 2351 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2913.1740 (pause 0.25) 2913.4289 2352 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2913.4289 cause I was standing up. I'm standing by the door, the- the teens are all o- hucked up over here. 2917.2627 2353 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2917.2627 (pause 0.38) 2917.6379 2354 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2917.6379 This group gets on to the right, 2919.2731 2355 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2919.2731 (pause 0.30) 2919.5704 2356 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2919.5704 2920.0093 2357 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2920.0093 (pause 0.60) 2920.6111 2358 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2920.6111 and the comments that they started making 2922.1118 2359 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2922.1118 (pause 0.34) 2922.4516 2360 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2922.4516 in earshot of the group, 2923.6621 2361 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2923.6621 (pause 1.61) 2925.2731 2362 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2925.2731 oh, look at them, oh, they think that- 2927.5030 2363 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2927.5030 (pause 1.07) 2928.5719 2364 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2928.5719 they think that- 2929.6709 2365 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2929.6709 (pause 0.28) 2929.9494 2366 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2929.9494 um- 2930.4520 2367 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2930.4520 (pause 1.01) 2931.4643 2368 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2931.4643 oh, what did they say? 2932.5119 2369 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2932.5119 (pause 0.59) 2933.1066 2370 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2933.1066 Oh- those- those- those kids, they- they must be going back to Anacostia. 2936.8201 2371 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2936.8201 (pause 1.05) 2937.8748 2372 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2937.8748 Oh they're laughing. They're talking so loud. Oh, they're this, they're that. 2940.8763 2373 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2940.8763 (pause 1.60) 2942.4803 2374 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2942.4803 And 2943.3652 2375 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2943.3652 (pause 0.80) 2944.1651 2376 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2944.1651 they were just being teens. 2945.1491 2377 DCB_int_01 2945.2241 /Mm-hm/. 2945.6387 2378 DCB_int_01 2945.6387 (pause 0.35) 2945.9914 2379 DCB_int_01 2945.9914 Doing a lot, going through some things. [Okay.] 2948.0839 2380 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2947.6804 [Yeah.] 2948.0343 2381 DCB_int_01 2949.7333 Um, 2950.0801 2382 DCB_int_01 2950.0801 (pause 0.24) 2950.3208 2383 DCB_int_01 2950.3208 so continue on. 2951.0004 2384 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2952.1047 But yeah, and so, 2953.0462 2385 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2953.0462 (pause 0.79) 2953.8361 2386 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2953.8361 they were just being teens, 2954.8838 2387 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2954.8838 (pause 0.34) 2955.2236 2388 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2955.2236 having fun, talking, laughing, 2956.7314 2389 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2956.7314 (pause 0.45) 2957.1844 2390 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2957.1844 nothing inappropriate. 2957.9631 2391 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2957.9631 (pause 1.08) 2959.0462 2392 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2959.0462 And 2960.0202 2393 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2960.0202 (pause 0.66) 2960.6785 2394 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2960.6785 uh, I don't remember who it was, one of the teens, saw my response, 2963.6163 2395 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2963.6163 (pause 0.84) 2964.4587 2396 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2964.4587 because on my face, 2965.8998 2397 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2965.8998 (pause 0.71) 2966.6148 2398 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2966.6148 the disdain and 2968.3279 2399 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2968.3279 (pause 0.23) 2968.5615 2400 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2968.5615 frustration. 2969.3119 2401 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2969.3119 (pause 1.75) 2971.0574 2402 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2971.0574 And not only are they saying these things, they're looking 2973.3510 2403 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2973.3510 (pause 0.78) 2974.1297 2404 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2974.1297 at the teens 2975.1915 2405 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2975.1915 (pause 0.93) 2976.1259 2406 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2976.1259 as if 2976.8197 2407 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2976.8197 (pause 0.53) 2977.3477 2408 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2977.3477 being black, 2978.5369 2409 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2978.5369 (pause 0.59) 2979.1245 2410 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2979.1245 and being young 2980.1651 2411 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2980.1651 (pause 0.41) 2980.5757 2412 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2980.5757 on the train in a group 2982.6427 2413 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2982.6427 (pause 0.60) 2983.2415 2414 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2983.2415 means that you are thugs and about to do something to them. 2986.9792 2415 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2986.9792 (pause 1.97) 2988.9442 2416 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2988.9442 And you know, 2989.9565 2417 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2989.9565 (pause 0.61) 2990.5652 2418 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2990.5652 there was a big part of me that wanted to 2992.2713 2419 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2992.2713 (pause 0.60) 2992.8730 2420 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2992.8730 say something, 2993.7083 2421 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2993.7083 (pause 0.55) 2994.2604 2422 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2994.2604 but in that moment, I felt if I did, 2996.8088 2423 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2996.8088 (pause 0.54) 2997.3439 2424 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2997.3439 one I had the hands on my s- on my shirt, 2999.1844 2425 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2999.1844 (pause 0.38) 2999.5596 2426 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 2999.5596 had the- I was branded. 3000.7984 2427 DCB_int_01 3000.9867 Mm-hm, [mm-hm.] 3001.6736 2428 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3001.3193 [So I had the] logo, and I didn't think that what I was getting ready to say was /getting ready/ to represent the organization at its best. 3006.1755 2429 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3006.6115 I wasn't gonna- I wasn't gonna be professional about it, 3008.5440 2430 DCB_int_01 3009.1811 Mm. 3009.5492 2431 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3009.8536 and so I opted not to say anything. 3011.2694 2432 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3011.2694 (pause 1.52) 3012.7903 2433 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3012.7903 But we had a very serious conversation 3015.0945 2434 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3015.0945 (pause 0.59) 3015.6836 2435 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3015.6836 that night 3016.2446 2436 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3016.2446 (pause 0.49) 3016.7355 2437 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3016.7355 with them, 3017.4158 2438 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3017.4158 (pause 1.00) 3018.4116 2439 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3018.4116 and oddly enough, that- that was 3020.5896 2440 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3020.5896 (pause 1.39) 3021.9781 2441 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3021.9781 right before we went to go to the Hill 3024.3836 2442 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3024.3836 (pause 0.84) 3025.2251 2443 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3025.2251 to go visit Congressman Maxine Waters. 3028.2306 2444 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3028.2306 (pause 1.68) 3029.9137 2445 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3029.9137 And so, 3030.9306 2446 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3030.9306 (pause 2.20) 3033.1296 2447 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3033.1296 I guess it was like a week or so in between that. 3034.9600 2448 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3034.9600 (pause 0.72) 3035.6823 2449 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3035.6823 The morning of the visit, 3037.2532 2450 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3037.2532 (pause 1.15) 3038.4002 2451 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3038.4002 um, 3039.2278 2452 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3039.2278 (pause 0.20) 3039.4311 2453 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3039.4311 the 3040.2026 2454 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3040.2026 (pause 1.57) 3041.7735 2455 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3041.7735 French State Department 3043.6669 2456 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3043.6669 (pause 0.29) 3043.9584 2457 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3043.9584 released a 3045.3259 2458 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3045.3259 (pause 0.18) 3045.5013 2459 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3045.5013 travel warning to its residents 3047.3737 2460 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3047.3737 (pause 0.55) 3047.9207 2461 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3047.9207 who were visiting the US. 3049.2742 2462 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3049.2742 (pause 1.32) 3050.5966 2463 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3050.5966 And in it they said to avoid certain areas, 3053.6823 2464 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3053.6823 (pause 1.23) 3054.9095 2465 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3054.9095 Union Station, I remember, 3056.7158 2466 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3056.7158 (pause 1.17) 3057.8870 2467 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3057.8870 and I remember they said Southeast 3059.3737 2468 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3059.3737 (pause 0.40) 3059.7735 2469 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3059.7735 and Anacostia 3060.8675 2470 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3060.8675 (pause 0.32) 3061.1831 2471 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3061.1831 to avoid 3062.0566 2472 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3062.0566 (pause 0.94) 3062.9963 2473 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3062.9963 at all. 3063.6205 2474 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3063.6205 (pause 0.18) 3063.8028 2475 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3063.8028 Union Station you can go to in the daytime, 3065.4018 2476 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3065.4018 (pause 0.63) 3066.0329 2477 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3066.0329 but don't go to Union Station at night. 3067.3233 2478 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3067.3233 (pause 1.12) 3068.4423 2479 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3068.4423 But Southeast and wa- and Anacostia, 3070.5041 2480 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3070.5041 (pause 0.28) 3070.7846 2481 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3070.7846 don't go to in the daytime, 3072.2644 2482 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3072.2644 (pause 0.91) 3073.1760 2483 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3073.1760 late in the midnight hour. 3074.8118 2484 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3074.8118 (pause 0.47) 3075.2839 2485 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3075.2839 Not- don't ever go 3076.4200 2486 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3076.4200 (pause 0.25) 3076.6654 2487 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3076.6654 at all. 3077.1774 2488 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3077.1774 (pause 0.66) 3077.8366 2489 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3077.8366 And /RD-NAME-2/ saw that, 3078.8464 2490 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3078.8464 (pause 1.22) 3080.0636 2491 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3080.0636 read that article 3081.0034 2492 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3081.0034 (pause 0.20) 3081.1997 2493 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3081.1997 that morning 3081.8589 2494 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3081.8589 (pause 0.14) 3081.9992 2495 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3081.9992 when we were here early getting ready to go see the Congresswoman, 3084.6571 2496 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3084.6571 (pause 0.82) 3085.4745 2497 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3085.4745 and it started this conversation about 3086.9122 2498 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3086.9122 (pause 0.14) 3087.0524 2499 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3087.0524 redefining what it means to be from Southeast 3089.4018 2500 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3089.4018 (pause 0.81) 3090.2153 2501 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3090.2153 as a black 3090.8745 2502 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3090.8745 (pause 0.43) 3091.3023 2503 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3091.3023 youth, as a black person to be from Southeast, 3093.7537 2504 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3093.7537 (pause 0.53) 3094.2797 2505 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3094.2797 which started this whole- I think what may have even made the- laid some of the groundwork for [Our Lives Matter] 3099.0945 2506 DCB_int_01 3098.3792 [That's right, mm-hm.] 3099.0454 2507 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3099.7187 because everything that they did now they wanted to 3102.1942 2508 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3102.1942 (pause 0.20) 3102.3906 2509 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3102.3906 prove 3102.9867 2510 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3102.9867 (pause 0.92) 3103.9023 2511 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3103.9023 to people 3104.7509 2512 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3104.7509 (pause 1.23) 3105.9781 2513 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3105.9781 that great things come out of this- 3107.3807 2514 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3107.3807 (pause 0.20) 3107.5841 2515 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3107.5841 this part of the city, 3108.6080 2516 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3108.6080 (pause 0.35) 3108.9586 2517 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3108.9586 that they are not their 3110.1758 2518 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3110.1758 (pause 0.76) 3110.9332 2519 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3110.9332 environment. 3111.5994 2520 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3111.5994 (pause 1.12) 3112.7215 2521 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3112.7215 Um, 3113.2896 2522 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3113.2896 (pause 1.00) 3114.2854 2523 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3114.2854 and the- sadly enough they had to prove that to some of the people that were in the environment 3117.3961 2524 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3117.3961 (pause 0.72) 3118.1184 2525 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3118.1184 and in the community, and what that meant to f- 3119.8085 2526 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3119.8085 (pause 0.17) 3119.9768 2527 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3119.9768 to them, 3120.6501 2528 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3120.6501 (pause 0.42) 3121.0678 2529 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3121.0678 to the young people who chose to come to the Club 3123.4732 2530 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3123.4732 (pause 1.04) 3124.5181 2531 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3124.5181 who had friends who didn't choose to come to the Club 3127.3023 2532 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3127.3023 (pause 1.02) 3128.3231 2533 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3128.3231 because they made other choices 3130.0553 2534 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3130.0553 (pause 0.19) 3130.2446 2535 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3130.2446 that were not always positive choices, 3132.2714 2536 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3132.2714 (pause 0.81) 3133.0779 2537 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3133.0779 and what that meant for them to stand up and say, yup, 3135.1085 2538 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3135.1085 (pause 0.41) 3135.5223 2539 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3135.5223 I'm gonna be different 3136.6514 2540 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3136.6514 (pause 1.23) 3137.8857 2541 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3137.8857 because that's what I wanna do. 3139.1199 2542 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3139.1199 (pause 0.24) 3139.3623 2543 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3139.3623 That's who I choose to be. 3140.5475 2544 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3140.5475 (pause 0.93) 3141.4802 2545 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3141.4802 Um, 3142.0763 2546 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3142.0763 (pause 0.24) 3142.3148 2547 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3142.3148 3143.1423 2548 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3143.1423 (pause 0.93) 3144.0750 2549 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3144.0750 so, I mean, it- it's- it's this whole notion that 3146.7789 2550 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3146.7789 (pause 2.83) 3149.6051 2551 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3149.6051 to be from Southeast doesn't mean anything /?/. It's the same as you. 3153.5433 2552 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3153.5433 (pause 0.57) 3154.1114 2553 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3154.1114 [Tryna figure out-] 3154.7636 2554 DCB_int_01 3154.1184 [So let me ask you] this because 3156.1732 2555 DCB_int_01 3156.5870 especially- I don't know a lot about, 3159.5433 2556 DCB_int_01 3159.5433 (pause 0.56) 3160.1044 2557 DCB_int_01 3160.1044 mm, that's not true. 3160.9880 2558 DCB_int_01 3160.9880 (pause 0.41) 3161.3948 2559 DCB_int_01 3161.3948 But I don't have the- 3162.3064 2560 DCB_int_01 3162.3064 (pause 0.57) 3162.8745 2561 DCB_int_01 3162.8745 the d- I'm a southern girl, you know. Um, 3164.9963 2562 DCB_int_01 3164.9963 (pause 0.55) 3165.5504 2563 DCB_int_01 3165.5504 I know 3166.1114 2564 DCB_int_01 3166.1114 (pause 0.69) 3166.7987 2565 DCB_int_01 3166.7987 about sitting on the porch shelling peas [like], 3168.7903 2566 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3168.3625 [] 3168.7973 2567 DCB_int_01 3168.9306 you know? But that's- that's- so if somebody asked me about 3171.1927 2568 DCB_int_01 3171.1927 (pause 0.28) 3171.4732 2569 DCB_int_01 3171.4732 what was it like growing up in the South, 3173.1844 2570 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3173.3457 Mm-hm. 3173.6612 2571 DCB_int_01 3173.7174 and 3174.5028 2572 DCB_int_01 3174.5028 (pause 0.22) 3174.7202 2573 DCB_int_01 3174.7202 you know, some of the racial tensions that I felt in the South 3177.5269 2574 DCB_int_01 3177.5269 (pause 0.19) 3177.7187 2575 DCB_int_01 3177.7187 that were still very alive, [even] covertly. Like, 3180.7763 2576 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3179.4438 [Right.] 3179.7516 2577 DCB_int_01 3181.2291 very much running deep. 3182.4563 2578 DCB_int_01 3182.4563 (pause 0.30) 3182.7579 2579 DCB_int_01 3182.7579 I can talk about that, but I can't talk about DC in that way. 3186.0820 2580 DCB_int_01 3186.0820 (pause 0.39) 3186.4747 2581 DCB_int_01 3186.4747 What do you feel like- 3187.8182 2582 DCB_int_01 3187.8182 (pause 0.22) 3188.0426 2583 DCB_int_01 3188.0426 so that was on the flip s- um, that was on one side. Like, 3190.7005 2584 DCB_int_01 3190.7005 (pause 0.29) 3190.9950 2585 DCB_int_01 3190.9950 being in DC and the perception that it's dangerous and- I mean it is. There are some parts, 3196.0763 2586 DCB_int_01 3196.0763 (pause 0.18) 3196.2517 2587 DCB_int_01 3196.2517 but that's anywhere. 3197.0368 2588 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3197.0371 Right. 3197.4228 2589 DCB_int_01 3197.7945 But let's take it on the flip side, 3199.3303 2590 DCB_int_01 3199.3303 (pause 0.30) 3199.6288 2591 DCB_int_01 3199.6288 how do you feel like- 3200.8070 2592 DCB_int_01 3200.8070 (pause 0.86) 3201.6696 2593 DCB_int_01 3201.6696 I won't just say your men, your young men, but all your kids were affected by all of the events, 3206.9402 2594 DCB_int_01 3206.9402 (pause 0.59) 3207.5293 2595 DCB_int_01 3207.5293 Ferguson, Eric, all that, like 3209.9979 2596 DCB_int_01 3209.9979 (pause 0.28) 3210.2784 2597 DCB_int_01 3210.2784 how do you feel like your kids were affected 3212.3371 2598 DCB_int_01 3212.3371 (pause 0.26) 3212.5966 2599 DCB_int_01 3212.5966 when all they could see were 3214.4059 2600 DCB_int_01 3214.4059 (pause 0.59) 3214.9950 2601 DCB_int_01 3214.9950 like, 3215.2896 2602 DCB_int_01 3215.2896 (pause 0.71) 3215.9979 2603 DCB_int_01 3215.9979 kids that look like them 3217.4145 2604 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3217.4566 Mm-hm. 3217.8930 2605 DCB_int_01 3218.1057 getting shot, getting killed, Trayvon Martin, like that whole- 3220.7215 2606 DCB_int_01 3220.7215 (pause 0.24) 3220.9600 2607 DCB_int_01 3220.9600 Once that kind of- the ripple of, I think, 3222.5449 2608 DCB_int_01 3222.5449 (pause 0.16) 3222.7062 2609 DCB_int_01 3222.7062 starting with Trayvon like, kind of, 3224.4984 2610 DCB_int_01 3224.4984 (pause 0.14) 3224.6387 2611 DCB_int_01 3224.6387 and starting that whole eighteen, twenty four month period of just [ridiculousness.] 3229.8493 2612 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3229.3303 [Yeah.] 3229.8493 2613 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3230.5405 It um- 3231.3049 2614 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3231.3049 (pause 1.28) 3232.5813 2615 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3232.5813 one of the things that I- I recognized was 3234.9657 2616 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3234.9657 (pause 0.78) 3235.7410 2617 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3235.7410 uh, an increase in their 3237.1436 2618 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3237.1436 (pause 0.27) 3237.4171 2619 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3237.4171 pride and their participation in the Club. 3239.8225 2620 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3239.8225 (pause 1.12) 3240.9376 2621 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3240.9376 Um, 3241.6459 2622 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3241.6459 (pause 0.94) 3242.5826 2623 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3242.5826 and it t- it took me 3243.8800 2624 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3243.8800 (pause 0.32) 3244.2026 2625 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3244.2026 until now 3245.0581 2626 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3245.0581 (pause 0.13) 3245.1914 2627 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3245.1914 to really see that. 3246.0259 2628 DCB_int_01 3247.0748 Hm. 3247.3974 2629 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3247.6008 And 3248.3091 2630 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3248.3091 (pause 0.46) 3248.7649 2631 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3248.7649 what I think about- think back to is 3251.5070 2632 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3251.5070 (pause 0.41) 3251.9137 2633 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3251.9137 the same pride I had at /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 3253.5407 2634 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3253.5407 (pause 0.47) 3254.0075 2635 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3254.0075 And- and the place 3255.2698 2636 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3255.2698 (pause 0.46) 3255.7257 2637 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3255.7257 that that was a- a safe haven and a sanctuary and 3258.4397 2638 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3258.4397 (pause 0.32) 3258.7623 2639 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3258.7623 that was a place where I was built up. 3260.2950 2640 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3260.2950 (pause 0.97) 3261.2698 2641 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3261.2698 I think it meant more to them 3262.5672 2642 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3262.5672 (pause 1.58) 3264.1522 2643 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3264.1522 because they understood that there were people who devalued their lives 3267.4802 2644 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3267.4802 (pause 1.37) 3268.8548 2645 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3268.8548 just because they were black, 3270.1592 2646 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3270.1592 (pause 0.51) 3270.6711 2647 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3270.6711 who didn't care about 3272.0847 2648 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3272.0847 (pause 0.75) 3272.8350 2649 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3272.8350 how police interacted with them, 3275.4158 2650 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3275.4158 (pause 0.79) 3276.2012 2651 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3276.2012 and there was this sense of clinging. 3278.3582 2652 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3278.3582 (pause 1.38) 3279.7397 2653 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3279.7397 Um, 3280.2587 2654 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3280.2587 (pause 0.22) 3280.4831 2655 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3280.4831 we spent more time together talking 3282.6290 2656 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3282.6290 (pause 0.48) 3283.1099 2657 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3283.1099 outside of programs. 3284.4353 2658 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3284.4353 (pause 0.48) 3284.9192 2659 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3284.9192 We had longer nights. 3286.5462 2660 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3286.5462 (pause 0.83) 3287.3737 2661 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3287.3737 The night that the um- 3289.1620 2662 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3289.1620 (pause 2.15) 3291.3119 2663 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3291.3119 um- the night that the Ferguson uh, 3294.0610 2664 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3294.0610 (pause 0.36) 3294.4257 2665 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3294.4257 3294.6501 2666 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3294.6501 (pause 0.97) 3295.6218 2667 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3295.6218 verdict was announced, [I was actually] 3297.6556 2668 DCB_int_01 3296.9402 [Mm-hm.] 3297.3470 2669 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3297.7607 in the middle of doing drop offs, 3299.0862 2670 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3299.0862 (pause 0.47) 3299.5561 2671 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3299.5561 and I had 3300.1592 2672 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3300.1592 (pause 0.20) 3300.3555 2673 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3300.3555 one alum 3301.2321 2674 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3301.2321 (pause 0.19) 3301.4254 2675 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3301.4254 on the bus that I was taking home and 3303.2628 2676 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3303.2628 (pause 1.31) 3304.5742 2677 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3304.5742 one current student- 3305.8997 2678 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3305.8997 (pause 0.37) 3306.2714 2679 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3306.2714 current member. 3306.8254 2680 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3306.8254 (pause 0.99) 3307.8182 2681 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3307.8182 And I remember 3309.0104 2682 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3309.0104 (pause 0.25) 3309.2628 2683 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3309.2628 listening- we had it on the radio. We listened to the prosecutor talk, 3311.9067 2684 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3311.9067 (pause 1.12) 3313.0218 2685 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3313.0218 and 3313.3093 2686 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3313.3093 (pause 0.52) 3313.8252 2687 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3313.8252 I personally- we had pulled over /?/ to drop one of the kids at the metro station- I pulled over. 3317.5701 2688 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3317.5701 (pause 0.46) 3318.0259 2689 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3318.0259 And I'm just listening, but I was kind of in the zone, but- and they're ask- they're talking. The two of them are talking on the bus, 3322.7496 2690 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3322.7496 (pause 0.50) 3323.2545 2691 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3323.2545 and I hear them, 3324.2644 2692 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3324.2644 (pause 0.71) 3324.9766 2693 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3324.9766 but because I'm processing this myself, I- I'm just kind of in my own little world. 3328.9810 2694 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3328.9810 (pause 1.33) 3330.3064 2695 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3330.3064 But the fact that that moment was shared 3333.4872 2696 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3333.4872 (pause 1.14) 3334.6233 2697 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3334.6233 and so many other moments were shared 3336.7834 2698 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3336.7834 (pause 0.42) 3337.2080 2699 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3337.2080 and so many more times they stepped up 3339.3119 2700 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3339.3119 (pause 0.80) 3340.1114 2701 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3340.1114 and came out, 3341.0020 2702 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3341.0020 (pause 1.74) 3342.7412 2703 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3342.7412 you know, I saw that cling, that- 3344.3371 2704 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3344.3371 (pause 0.37) 3344.7088 2705 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3344.7088 That this was their place 3346.5883 2706 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3346.5883 (pause 0.43) 3347.0231 2707 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3347.0231 of worth, 3347.8786 2708 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3347.8786 (pause 0.90) 3348.7833 2709 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3348.7833 of value 3349.7301 2710 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3349.7301 (pause 0.94) 3350.6667 2711 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3350.6667 and again, I just- I 3352.4620 2712 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3352.4620 (pause 0.37) 3352.8337 2713 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3352.8337 go on all of my experiences that- 3354.9937 2714 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3354.9937 (pause 0.73) 3355.7200 2715 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3355.7200 And it takes you to- in moments like that to realize, 3358.3498 2716 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3358.3498 (pause 0.93) 3359.2755 2717 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3359.2755 the worth of your experiences. 3361.1269 2718 DCB_int_01 3361.1901 Mm-hm. 3361.7511 2719 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3362.6808 This is their /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 3363.9220 2720 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3363.9220 (pause 1.98) 3365.8997 2721 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3365.8997 This is their, you know, I've had the /RD-SCHOOL-2/ 3368.3441 2722 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3368.3441 (pause 0.53) 3368.8771 2723 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3368.8771 High School office 3370.5813 2724 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3370.5813 (pause 0.50) 3371.0862 2725 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3371.0862 experience with a team 3372.7973 2726 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3372.7973 (pause 0.66) 3373.4605 2727 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3373.4605 who I've had to pull him up 3374.7158 2728 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3374.7158 (pause 0.28) 3374.9963 2729 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3374.9963 and say, 3375.6976 2730 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3375.6976 (pause 0.77) 3376.4691 2731 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3376.4691 this is what you not gonna do 3377.7594 2732 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3377.7594 (pause 0.76) 3378.5238 2733 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3378.5238 under my watch. 3379.6898 2734 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3379.6898 (pause 1.76) 3381.4452 2735 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3381.4452 It's just not gonna happen like that. 3382.8968 2736 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3382.8968 (pause 0.67) 3383.5701 2737 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3383.5701 Um, 3384.1171 2738 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3384.1171 (pause 0.96) 3385.0748 2739 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3385.0748 so I watched them just- 3386.3721 2740 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3386.3721 (pause 0.48) 3386.8561 2741 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3386.8561 and as I'm thinking back to that t- period of time, 3389.0301 2742 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3389.0301 (pause 0.88) 3389.9137 2743 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3389.9137 they stepped up more. 3390.8254 2744 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3390.8254 (pause 0.81) 3391.6358 2745 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3391.6358 They were more active. 3392.4984 2746 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3392.4984 (pause 1.17) 3393.6696 2747 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3393.6696 They reached out more. 3394.7636 2748 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3394.7636 (pause 0.46) 3395.2194 2749 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3395.2194 There were [more] conversations. There were more 3397.1059 2750 DCB_int_01 3395.4125 [Mm.] 3395.5365 2751 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3397.6078 text messages. There were more- 3399.1787 2752 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3399.1787 (pause 0.75) 3399.9291 2753 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3399.9291 And not specifically about what was happening. 3402.8543 2754 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3402.8543 (pause 2.63) 3405.4802 2755 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3405.4802 Um, 3406.0483 2756 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3406.0483 (pause 0.73) 3406.7776 2757 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3406.7776 and- and my kids are spoiled 3408.3555 2758 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3408.3555 (pause 0.33) 3408.6851 2759 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3408.6851 because just of- cause of the way we do things. 3410.9332 2760 DCB_int_01 3411.0443 Mm. 3411.2894 2761 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3412.0342 So I don't wanna say that the neediness 3414.5168 2762 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3414.5168 (pause 0.60) 3415.1129 2763 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3415.1129 increased but their need for 3417.3891 2764 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3417.3891 (pause 0.44) 3417.8309 2765 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3417.8309 validation, 3418.9389 2766 DCB_int_01 3418.9529 Mm-hm. 3419.3807 2767 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3420.0470 it stepped up. 3420.8293 2768 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3420.8293 (pause 0.33) 3421.1590 2769 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3421.1590 And I find myself giving more, 3422.9823 2770 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3422.9823 (pause 1.58) 3424.5672 2771 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3424.5672 /but/ okay with that 3425.5490 2772 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3425.5490 (pause 1.98) 3427.5306 2773 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3427.5306 because they were reaching for that. And I mean, you could- you could sense it and see- 3431.6753 2774 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3431.6753 (pause 0.77) 3432.4467 2775 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3432.4467 and I think a part of me wanted 3434.3510 2776 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3434.3510 (pause 0.58) 3434.9332 2777 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3434.9332 them to know 3435.8239 2778 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3435.8239 (pause 0.24) 3436.0623 2779 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3436.0623 it's okay. 3436.7145 2780 DCB_int_01 3436.9685 Mm-hm. 3437.3498 2781 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3438.6992 I know you don't wanna talk about it and you're not- you haven't quite figured out how to verbalize what you're [feeling,] 3443.7664 2782 DCB_int_01 3443.3520 [Mm.] 3443.6304 2783 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3444.3836 but I see you. 3445.5477 2784 DCB_int_01 3447.5574 Feeling [that.] 3448.1745 2785 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3447.9431 [I] know you, 3448.8828 2786 DCB_int_01 3448.7905 Mm. 3449.1385 2787 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3449.0862 and it's okay. 3449.9909 2788 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3451.3483 This is your safe space. 3452.7719 2789 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3452.7719 (pause 1.59) 3454.3608 2790 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3454.3608 You don't h- you don't have to do anything to earn it. 3456.5632 2791 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3456.5632 (pause 0.65) 3457.2155 2792 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3457.2155 This is your safe space. 3458.4426 2793 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3458.4426 (pause 0.96) 3459.3978 2794 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3459.3978 Let's be goofy and crazy and wild 3461.9264 2795 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3461.9264 (pause 0.39) 3462.3147 2796 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3462.3147 and dream big and be successful and 3464.8231 2797 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3464.8231 (pause 0.42) 3465.2425 2798 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3465.2425 be mad at each other. Let's- let's be all of that cause this is 3468.4079 2799 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3468.4079 (pause 0.47) 3468.8823 2800 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3468.8823 your space, and it's alright. 3470.4126 2801 DCB_int_01 3471.4936 Mm-hm. 3471.8375 2802 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3472.4763 It's okay. 3473.0168 2803 DCB_int_01 3474.0961 Um, 3474.7489 2804 DCB_int_01 3474.7489 (pause 0.84) 3475.5913 2805 DCB_int_01 3475.5913 so I'm'a just- I'm'a change it totally, [lighten it] up a little bit. Um, 3479.2835 2806 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3477.6084 [Mm-hm.] 3477.9147 2807 DCB_int_01 3480.7770 what do you do for fun? 3481.9001 2808 DCB_int_01 3481.9001 (pause 0.26) 3482.1599 2809 DCB_int_01 3482.1599 Cause I know you spend a lot of [time at nineteen] oh one and dealing with the goings ons 3486.6998 2810 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3483.4023 [] 3484.1744 2811 DCB_int_01 3486.8262 of Boys and Girls- What do you do for fun? What do you do to let your hair down? 3489.9568 2812 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3489.9990 Listen to music. 3490.8904 2813 DCB_int_01 3490.8072 /Mm./ 3491.0027 2814 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3491.9768 Um, I'm a music junky. I got the chance to go see Jill Scott this weekend. 3495.7519 2815 DCB_int_01 3495.8937 I don't want to hear it. 3496.5465 2816 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3496.6588 3498.2435 2817 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3498.2435 (pause 1.10) 3499.3456 2818 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3499.3456 Um, 3500.0054 2819 DCB_int_01 3500.2090 3500.5810 2820 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3500.5529 I'm a simple person. 3501.6761 2821 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3502.2166 Doesn't take a- it doesn't take a lot. 3503.5222 2822 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3503.5222 (pause 0.60) 3504.1172 2823 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3504.1172 Um, 3504.5735 2824 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3504.5735 (pause 0.20) 3504.7700 2825 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3504.7700 top- top things I love to do is sit in a room and listen to music. 3507.6269 2826 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3507.6269 (pause 0.34) 3507.9639 2827 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3507.9639 /Loudly/ listen to music all day. 3509.0027 2828 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3509.0027 (pause 0.70) 3509.7030 2829 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3509.7030 Um, 3510.2997 2830 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3510.2997 (pause 1.68) 3511.9844 2831 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3511.9844 I think again that was just embedded. My mom went to Howard for music. 3515.4169 2832 DCB_int_01 3516.0961 [/Um, w- uh, yeah/.] 3517.1140 2833 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3516.1382 [Um, she sang.] 3517.6825 2834 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3518.3915 Uh, she still will do a little something if you tell her. When I go home, 3521.6836 2835 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3521.6836 (pause 0.68) 3522.3629 2836 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3522.3629 a lot of times when I go home, we'll sit with the old Baptist hymnal. 3525.5567 2837 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3525.5567 (pause 0.49) 3526.0481 2838 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3526.0481 We will flip through and [n- not-] the- We have seen these [pages every visit] 3529.0718 2839 DCB_int_01 3526.8915 [Mm-hm.] 3527.2697 2840 DCB_int_01 3527.2697 (pause 0.93) 3528.2018 2841 DCB_int_01 3528.2018 [/Any/ line of the hymn.] 3529.4158 2842 DCB_int_01 3529.5211 [Mm.] 3530.2300 2843 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3529.5562 [and go] 3529.9773 2844 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3529.9773 (pause 0.25) 3530.2300 2845 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3530.2300 each hymn by hymn and just sing 3531.5216 2846 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3531.9428 cause it- that was a- just a part of 3533.7959 2847 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3533.7959 (pause 0.37) 3534.1663 2848 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3534.1663 you know, 3534.6015 2849 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3534.6015 (pause 0.39) 3534.9876 2850 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3534.9876 our upbringing. When I was younger, 3536.9460 2851 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3536.9460 (pause 0.69) 3537.6339 2852 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3537.6339 there was a white, blue and orange Fisher Price 3541.6615 2853 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3541.6615 (pause 0.41) 3542.0756 2854 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3542.0756 radio 3542.6723 2855 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3542.6723 (pause 0.67) 3543.3461 2856 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3543.3461 that set on my 3544.9817 2857 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3544.9817 (pause 0.25) 3545.2344 2858 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3545.2344 bed frame 3545.7819 2859 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3545.7819 (pause 0.23) 3546.0119 2860 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3546.0119 at the head- on the headboard. 3547.2122 2861 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3547.2122 (pause 0.36) 3547.5715 2862 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3547.5715 Had a little microphone on the side in case you wanted to get real extra and sing. 3550.8202 2863 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3550.8202 (pause 0.67) 3551.4925 2864 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3551.4925 Every night that mus- that radio played 3553.5843 2865 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3553.5843 (pause 0.22) 3553.8089 2866 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3553.8089 classical music, 3554.5389 2867 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3554.5389 (pause 0.74) 3555.2830 2868 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3555.2830 every night. 3555.6480 2869 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3555.6480 (pause 1.66) 3557.3116 2870 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3557.3116 Every night. 3557.7047 2871 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3557.7047 (pause 1.66) 3559.3667 2872 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3559.3667 And so it was- it was embedded in me, 3561.2338 2873 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3561.2338 (pause 0.29) 3561.5287 2874 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3561.5287 and the power 3562.3499 2875 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3562.3499 (pause 0.58) 3562.9255 2876 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3562.9255 of the- I think the power of the art while I was s- while I was such a student of the arts, 3566.6933 2877 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3566.6933 (pause 0.29) 3566.9811 2878 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3566.9811 it was put in me. 3568.0130 2879 DCB_int_01 3568.4412 [Mm.] 3568.8834 2880 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3568.5886 [Um], 3569.0449 2881 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3569.3099 but music for me is- is such an escape. 3572.0616 2882 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3572.0616 (pause 0.72) 3572.7776 2883 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3572.7776 And I'm eclectic like crazy. Like, you go through my playlist there's 3576.0610 2884 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3576.0610 (pause 0.38) 3576.4401 2885 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3576.4401 gospel, there's reggae, there's 3578.2090 2886 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3578.2090 (pause 0.21) 3578.4196 2887 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3578.4196 hip hop, there's 3579.4585 2888 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3579.4585 (pause 0.41) 3579.8726 2889 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3579.8726 jazz, there's- 3580.9817 2890 DCB_int_01 3581.0870 Are you a go go fan? 3581.9768 2891 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3582.0681 I am. (whispered) 3582.8823 2892 DCB_int_01 3583.5211 [Who's your favorite] group? Let's talk about go go because go go is a [very-] it's a- but it's a very DC thing. [There's no go go in like], 3591.0934 2893 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3583.5562 [I am.] 3584.1177 2894 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3584.1177 (pause 2.23) 3586.3429 2895 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3586.3429 [Go go is huge.] 3587.7889 2896 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3587.7889 (pause 1.30) 3589.0859 2897 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3589.0859 [It is. It's like Mumbo Sauce.] 3591.0934 2898 DCB_int_01 3591.6059 Iowa. 3592.0762 2899 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3592.0621 Mm-mm. It's like Mumbo Sauce. Go go and Mumbo Sauce go hand in hand, 3594.8542 2900 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3595.7176 go hand in hand. I went to Baltimore and they told me, we don't have Mumbo Sauce. What is that? And I wanted to leave. 3599.6750 2901 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3599.6750 (pause 0.68) 3600.3559 2902 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3600.3559 But um, 3601.4018 2903 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3601.4018 (pause 1.25) 3602.6512 2904 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3602.6512 Northeast Groovers, 3604.3499 2905 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3604.3499 (pause 0.76) 3605.1080 2906 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3605.1080 Junkyard, 3605.9908 2907 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3605.9908 (pause 0.35) 3606.3418 2908 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3606.3418 Rare Essence, 3607.3105 2909 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3607.3105 (pause 0.70) 3608.0124 2910 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3608.0124 Backyard Band, 3608.9671 2911 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3608.9671 (pause 0.22) 3609.1847 2912 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3609.1847 Chuck Brown. 3609.9919 2913 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3609.9919 (pause 0.95) 3610.9396 2914 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3610.9396 There's a different- there's a different go go back in the day, 3613.3105 2915 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3613.3105 (pause 0.27) 3613.5772 2916 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3613.5772 and I remember /mart/- my aunt- 3615.0654 2917 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3615.0654 (pause 0.73) 3615.7954 2918 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3615.7954 I have a aunt that lived on Drum Avenue, Capital Heights, 3617.9557 2919 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3617.9557 (pause 0.21) 3618.1663 2920 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3618.1663 /in the- you know/ the right across the- the- the line. 3620.4196 2921 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3620.4196 (pause 0.66) 3621.0794 2922 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3621.0794 And uh, my cousins used to- they were heavy, 3623.7257 2923 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3623.7257 (pause 0.31) 3624.0400 2924 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3624.0400 like they had the big bamboo chair. 3626.3494 2925 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3626.3494 (pause 0.34) 3626.6933 2926 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3626.6933 I was- it was a picture of me sitting in the big bamboo chair with all the go go posters on the wall, 3630.8121 2927 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3630.8121 (pause 0.34) 3631.1491 2928 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3631.1491 and I would go to the their house, and I would listen to Groovers 3633.3461 2929 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3633.3461 (pause 0.27) 3633.6199 2930 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3633.6199 cause I was too young at that time to go to the go gos. 3636.2506 2931 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3636.2506 (pause 0.45) 3636.6998 2932 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3636.6998 Uh and I- oh I actually- it was weird. I only went to a couple of actual go gos, 3641.1923 2933 DCB_int_01 3641.5205 Mm. 3641.9417 2934 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3642.1382 but I loved 3643.3105 2935 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3643.3105 (pause 0.27) 3643.5772 2936 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3643.5772 the music and listened to- I still have- I have tapes. 3646.3920 2937 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3646.3920 (pause 0.57) 3646.9606 2938 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3646.9606 Northeast Groovers Locket is the greatest go go song ever made in life. 3651.1215 2939 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3651.1215 (pause 0.46) 3651.5778 2940 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3651.5778 It will- it will change your perspective on [everything.] 3655.0929 2941 DCB_int_01 3654.1663 [We'll have to do that one then] cause I- I don't know if I've [heard it.] 3656.7214 2942 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3656.3073 [Oh.] 3656.7495 2943 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3657.0092 Yeah. 3657.2830 2944 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3657.2830 (pause 0.60) 3657.8866 2945 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3657.8866 When I um- 3658.6939 2946 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3658.6939 (pause 0.50) 3659.1906 2947 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3659.1906 another former 3659.9838 2948 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3659.9838 (pause 0.20) 3660.1874 2949 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3660.1874 thing you didn't know about my former life, 3661.7668 2950 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3661.7668 (pause 0.37) 3662.1388 2951 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3662.1388 I danced. I studied dance for eight years. 3664.4622 2952 DCB_int_01 3664.8273 I got a glimpse of that at the [circus.] 3666.3980 2953 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3666.1874 [Did] you? [] 3668.2090 2954 DCB_int_01 3667.1210 [Yes, mm-hm.] 3668.6161 2955 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3669.0934 But uh, through /RD-SCHOOL-2/, 3670.3569 2956 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3670.3569 (pause 0.32) 3670.6798 2957 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3670.6798 uh, this group game up. 3671.9169 2958 DCB_int_01 3672.0119 /RD-SCHOOL-2/ changed [your life.] 3673.3064 2959 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3672.5664 [/RD-SCHOOL-2/, they did.] 3673.5772 2960 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3673.6755 They did. This group came up and- and they were from Palmer Park Rec Center 3677.3116 2961 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3677.3116 (pause 0.44) 3677.7522 2962 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3677.7522 in PG County. 3678.6858 2963 DCB_int_01 3678.8472 Mm-hm. 3679.1491 2964 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3679.2473 Um, 3679.8229 2965 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3679.8229 (pause 0.74) 3680.5600 2966 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3680.5600 but they- the ladies came and said, we wanna teach dance. And we learned- 3683.9169 2967 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3683.9169 (pause 0.42) 3684.3418 2968 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3684.3418 I remember I did my first tap dance to Slide Some Oil to Me from The [Wiz.] 3687.9358 2969 DCB_int_01 3687.7743 [Mm], [yes!] 3689.0238 2970 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3688.7851 [And] I remember when they teach you the flap and you do the- the weird- 3691.7527 2971 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3692.0054 the- s- the weird flap 3693.3532 2972 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3693.3532 (pause 0.15) 3693.5076 2973 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3693.5076 and the shuffle cause you first learning 3695.3678 2974 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3695.3678 (pause 0.54) 3695.9066 2975 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3695.9066 um, 3696.5313 2976 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3696.5313 (pause 0.23) 3696.7630 2977 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3696.7630 how to tap dance, and I st- 3698.2230 2978 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3698.2230 (pause 0.19) 3698.4126 2979 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3698.4126 just stuck with it for eight years. We 3700.0972 2980 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3700.0972 (pause 0.28) 3700.3780 2981 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3700.3780 transitioned from the school 3702.1382 2982 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3702.1382 (pause 0.55) 3702.6858 2983 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3702.6858 and um, 3703.5632 2984 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3703.5632 (pause 0.20) 3703.7597 2985 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3703.7597 went to Palmer Park. 3704.8197 2986 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3704.8197 (pause 0.49) 3705.3110 2987 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3705.3110 And they didn't have any boys in their program, so me and four of my friends, we were the only boys that went 3709.6755 2988 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3709.6755 (pause 0.47) 3710.1458 2989 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3710.1458 to their program, and two dropped off so it was only three of us, and we stayed. 3713.5713 2990 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3713.5713 (pause 0.57) 3714.1453 2991 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3714.1453 I stayed for eight. 3714.9174 2992 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3714.9174 (pause 0.27) 3715.1912 2993 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3715.1912 My boy, /RD-NAME-2/ who's a mentor here at the Club now 3717.8375 2994 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3717.8375 (pause 0.48) 3718.3148 2995 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3718.3148 stayed for nine, and then my other friend /RD-NAME-2/ is still dancing. He's danced for Ailey and 3722.9460 2996 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3722.9460 (pause 0.79) 3723.7392 2997 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3723.7392 done all sorts of stuff all over the place, but 3726.1453 2998 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3726.1453 (pause 0.65) 3726.7981 2999 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3726.7981 the discipline that came with that- 3728.4477 3000 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3728.4477 (pause 0.51) 3728.9531 3001 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3728.9531 what we did- we danced w- a lot of our choreographed pieces were to go go. 3732.7700 3002 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3732.7700 (pause 0.32) 3733.0929 3003 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3733.0929 And one of my favorite ones was to Locket 3734.7776 3004 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3734.7776 (pause 0.55) 3735.3321 3005 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3735.3321 by Northeast Groovers. 3736.2727 3006 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3736.2727 (pause 0.58) 3736.8483 3007 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3736.8483 And it was- 3737.3818 3008 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3737.3818 (pause 0.20) 3737.5837 3009 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3737.5837 there's a freedom- there was a freedom about go go that was just- 3740.6372 3010 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3740.6372 (pause 1.31) 3741.9428 3011 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3741.9428 because it was percussion. 3743.1572 3012 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3743.1572 (pause 0.22) 3743.3731 3013 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3743.3731 Go go ain't nothing but percussion and shout outs. 3745.1561 3014 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3745.1561 (pause 0.36) 3745.5141 3015 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3745.5141 That's it. 3745.8370 3016 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3745.8370 (pause 0.34) 3746.1739 3017 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3746.1739 Pure, true go go, 3747.2689 3018 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3747.2689 (pause 0.41) 3747.6831 3019 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3747.6831 percussion and shout outs, nothing else. 3749.2063 3020 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3749.2063 (pause 0.34) 3749.5416 3021 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3749.5416 There's a new go go that's- that's now, and the sound is different. 3753.0654 3022 DCB_int_01 3753.4809 Mm-hm. 3753.8713 3023 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3753.8937 I can't quite bang with it, but 3755.5783 3024 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3755.5783 (pause 0.32) 3755.8996 3025 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3755.8996 you know, the old school, 3757.6194 3026 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3757.6194 (pause 0.39) 3758.0124 3027 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3758.0124 that pocket beat, 3759.1145 3028 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3759.1145 (pause 0.38) 3759.4936 3029 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3759.4936 and there's something that just, when you hear it, 3761.1993 3030 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3761.1993 (pause 0.51) 3761.7101 3031 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3761.7101 it was so fresh. Just like- 3763.4579 3032 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3763.4579 (pause 0.65) 3764.1107 3033 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3764.1107 and it was- It was DC. It was nobody else ha- you couldn't go anywhere and hear go go. 3768.3208 3034 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3768.3208 (pause 0.45) 3768.7700 3035 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3768.7700 You couldn't go visit other places and have 3771.3812 3036 DCB_int_01 3771.6199 Mm-hm. 3771.9217 3037 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3771.9217 a Chuck Brown. And you, when you heard his voice, 3774.8472 3038 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3775.2473 it was something that was magic. He was like the Pied Piper, 3778.0551 3039 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3778.0551 (pause 0.36) 3778.4131 3040 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3778.4131 where you heard Chuck's voice or you heard the sound. 3781.5772 3041 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3781.5772 (pause 0.59) 3782.1669 3042 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3782.1669 You know, and it was- it was great. I remember when it- it started, 3784.8553 3043 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3784.8553 (pause 0.43) 3785.2819 3044 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3785.2819 the actual go gos took turn- took a turn for the worse. I remember watching this- 3788.8618 3045 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3788.8618 (pause 0.52) 3789.3812 3046 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3789.3812 Channel Seven, ABC Seven did this report. 3791.4660 3047 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3791.4660 (pause 0.76) 3792.2295 3048 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3792.2295 I had to have been in 3793.2684 3049 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3793.2684 (pause 0.74) 3794.0054 3050 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3794.0054 middle- 3794.6091 3051 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3794.6091 (pause 0.39) 3795.0022 3052 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3795.0022 middle school going into high school, 3796.3569 3053 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3796.3569 (pause 0.38) 3796.7360 3054 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3796.7360 and they started doing this- this investigative report about the wild stuff happening at the go gos. 3801.6199 3055 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3801.6199 (pause 0.65) 3802.2727 3056 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3802.2727 Like sexual assaults and- 3803.7328 3057 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3803.7328 (pause 0.38) 3804.1102 3058 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3804.1102 and all these other thing- and I think that was when you started 3806.0054 3059 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3806.0054 (pause 0.53) 3806.5389 3060 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3806.5389 seeing that there was a turn 3808.1183 3061 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3808.1183 (pause 0.22) 3808.3359 3062 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3808.3359 um, 3808.9185 3063 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3808.9185 (pause 0.74) 3809.6539 3064 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3809.6539 from it. But it- it- 3810.6858 3065 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3810.6858 (pause 0.48) 3811.1631 3066 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3811.1631 it still to this day is iconic. 3813.5708 3067 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3813.5708 (pause 0.37) 3813.9358 3068 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3813.9358 D- and I said r- it is iconic as Mumbo Sauce. 3816.2506 3069 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3816.2506 (pause 0.42) 3816.6717 3070 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3816.6717 You can't- Those two things you will not find 3819.8866 3071 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3819.8866 (pause 0.86) 3820.7500 3072 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3820.7500 [successfully] [duplicated] anywhere else. People will try 3824.1528 3073 DCB_int_01 3820.8106 [Nowhere else.] 3821.4784 3074 DCB_int_01 3821.4784 (pause 0.31) 3821.7873 3075 DCB_int_01 3821.7873 [Mm-mm.] 3822.1102 3076 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3825.1005 on both fronts, 3826.1955 3077 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3826.1955 (pause 1.33) 3827.5276 3078 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3827.5276 go go and Mumbo, 3828.7138 3079 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3828.7138 (pause 0.39) 3829.0999 3080 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3829.0999 and fail, 3829.6545 3081 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3829.6545 (pause 0.20) 3829.8580 3082 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3829.8580 epically fail, 3830.7355 3083 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3830.7355 (pause 0.47) 3831.2058 3084 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3831.2058 because it's- it's- it's something in the- 3832.9817 3085 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3832.9817 (pause 0.94) 3833.9206 3086 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3833.9206 that same energy I felt when I was in that school. 3836.2090 3087 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3836.2090 (pause 0.91) 3837.1215 3088 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3837.1215 There was an energy that came with it that 3838.9045 3089 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3838.9045 (pause 0.45) 3839.3591 3090 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3839.3591 you don't have it, you can't make it. 3840.6156 3091 DCB_int_01 3841.2249 What is- what is- okay. Let's go to mumbo sauce, 3843.4406 3092 DCB_int_01 3843.4406 (pause 0.20) 3843.6388 3093 DCB_int_01 3843.6388 cause I hear- 3844.9838 3094 DCB_int_01 3844.9838 (pause 0.16) 3845.1396 3095 DCB_int_01 3845.1396 you know I am going to try to some 3847.2178 3096 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3847.3523 3847.8371 3097 DCB_int_01 3847.6851 at some point. I really am. 3849.2991 3098 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3849.3415 Okay. 3849.7238 3099 DCB_int_01 3849.8158 Um, I don't know when that's gonna be 3851.7951 3100 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3851.8658 3852.1914 3101 DCB_int_01 3852.2197 Um- 3852.9134 3102 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3853.1754 You were gonna ask me what it is? 3854.4850 3103 DCB_int_01 3854.6336 Mm-hm. 3855.0442 3104 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3855.0513 I don't know. 3855.5468 3105 DCB_int_01 3857.2316 Mkay. 3857.6422 3106 DCB_int_01 3857.6422 (pause 0.19) 3857.8304 3107 DCB_int_01 3857.8304 [Alright.] 3858.1772 3108 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3857.9649 [It's ketchup] 3858.4816 3109 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3859.5718 and something else. 3860.2797 3110 DCB_int_01 3860.7469 Right it's like- 3861.4619 3111 DCB_int_01 3861.4619 (pause 0.30) 3861.7663 3112 DCB_int_01 3861.7663 I think I had have it but didn't know that's what I was having. It's like a sweet hot 3865.3948 3113 DCB_int_01 3865.3948 (pause 0.20) 3865.5930 3114 DCB_int_01 3865.5930 [something.] 3866.0138 3115 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3865.8691 [Uh-huh.] 3866.2938 3116 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3866.6336 It's like go go. 3867.4760 3117 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3867.4760 (pause 0.62) 3868.0919 3118 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3868.0919 It's a little bit of everything, 3869.1467 3119 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3869.1467 (pause 0.95) 3870.0994 3120 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3870.0994 and if you- you hear- if you ever like- like, youtube 3872.6832 3121 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3872.6832 (pause 0.41) 3873.0938 3122 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3873.0938 interviews with Chuck Brown and you hear him talk about 3875.4227 3123 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3875.4227 (pause 0.55) 3875.9720 3124 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3875.9720 what go go is and it's 3877.5293 3125 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3877.5293 (pause 0.15) 3877.6780 3126 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3877.6780 salsa and merengue 3879.1362 3127 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3879.1362 (pause 0.45) 3879.5893 3128 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3879.5893 and hip hop and pop and jazz 3881.8333 3129 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3881.8333 (pause 0.29) 3882.1277 3130 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3882.1277 and big band. 3883.1612 3131 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3883.1612 (pause 0.97) 3884.1310 3132 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3884.1310 And you had- 3884.7398 3133 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3884.7398 (pause 0.13) 3884.8672 3134 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3884.8672 I mean you had young people walking around who didn't even realize that they were now 3887.8404 3135 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3887.8404 (pause 0.49) 3888.3259 3136 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3888.3259 um, 3888.9276 3137 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3888.9276 (pause 0.54) 3889.4656 3138 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3889.4656 you know, multi linguistic in music 3891.3344 3139 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3891.3344 (pause 0.12) 3891.4548 3140 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3891.4548 cause they were listening 3892.4317 3141 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3892.4317 (pause 0.49) 3892.9201 3142 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3892.9201 to all of these different things and exposed to all of these different- 3897.0017 3143 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3897.0017 (pause 0.37) 3897.3698 3144 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3897.3698 and oh, you know, hey, hey that's go go! Nah, son, that's jazz. 3900.5029 3145 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3900.5029 (pause 0.42) 3900.9276 3146 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3900.9276 And how much you know, the- the Latino culture influenced Chuck's 3904.9838 3147 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3904.9838 (pause 0.31) 3905.2953 3148 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3905.2953 music. 3905.7979 3149 DCB_int_01 3906.1631 [Mm.] 3906.5170 3150 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3906.4038 [And] how much that 3907.5293 3151 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3907.6709 was a part of that you- you know, 3909.2991 3152 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3909.2991 (pause 0.84) 3910.1414 3153 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3910.1414 exposed to all those different things. 3911.6563 3154 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3911.6563 (pause 0.29) 3911.9436 3155 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3911.9436 So Mumbo Sauce is just like, 3913.1754 3156 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3913.1754 (pause 0.27) 3913.4444 3157 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3913.4444 go go. It's a little of this, 3914.6478 3158 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3914.6478 (pause 0.36) 3915.0088 3159 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3915.0088 and really good Mumbo? Nobody knows what- what's in it. 3917.4864 3160 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3917.4864 (pause 0.78) 3918.2622 3161 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3918.2622 Could be cornstarch. It could be this, could be that. 3920.4637 3162 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3920.4637 (pause 0.57) 3921.0371 3163 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3921.0371 But the perfect- 3921.7379 3164 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3921.7379 (pause 0.35) 3922.0848 3165 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3922.0848 the perfect ones are the perfect mix 3924.7365 3166 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3924.7365 (pause 0.24) 3924.9772 3167 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3924.9772 of a lot of different stuff. 3926.0390 3168 DCB_int_01 3926.0107 What- 3926.3576 3169 DCB_int_01 3926.6266 where do you- where do you eat? 3928.0777 3170 DCB_int_01 3928.0777 (pause 0.13) 3928.2122 3171 DCB_int_01 3928.2122 Where, like- 3929.0334 3172 DCB_int_01 3929.0334 (pause 0.35) 3929.3803 3173 DCB_int_01 3929.3803 where do you get 3930.4462 3174 DCB_int_01 3930.4462 (pause 0.13) 3930.5737 3175 DCB_int_01 3930.5737 said mumbo sauce? 3931.7983 3176 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3931.9045 See I'd go to carry out, 3933.1221 3177 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3933.1221 (pause 0.33) 3933.4477 3178 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3933.4477 so now, 3934.0353 3179 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3934.0353 (pause 0.42) 3934.4529 3180 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3934.4529 Hamilton's, 3935.6351 3181 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3935.6351 (pause 0.39) 3936.0286 3182 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3936.0286 uh, down on fourteenth street, 3937.6355 3183 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3937.6355 (pause 0.70) 3938.3363 3184 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3938.3363 uh, has now 3939.6176 3185 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3939.6176 (pause 0.47) 3940.0919 3186 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3940.0919 delivered the district wing 3941.7625 3187 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3941.7625 (pause 0.45) 3942.2126 3188 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3942.2126 with Mumbo S- And you know, Hamilton's real nice, refined 3944.7611 3189 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3944.7611 (pause 0.36) 3945.1221 3190 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3945.1221 restaurant. I have not eaten this 3946.7927 3191 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3946.7927 (pause 0.19) 3946.9838 3192 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3946.9838 yet, and there's a part of me that does not want to 3949.1187 3193 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3949.1187 (pause 0.60) 3949.7204 3194 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3949.7204 because I think it's a cardinal sin. 3951.4760 3195 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3951.4760 (pause 0.55) 3952.0282 3196 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3952.0282 Because unless you are getting it from an Asian 3954.7719 3197 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3954.7719 (pause 0.47) 3955.2462 3198 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3955.2462 person, 3955.8762 3199 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3955.8762 (pause 0.51) 3956.3859 3200 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3956.3859 which is odd because when it was first made, it was not made by Asians. It was made by African Americans cooking in 3961.2391 3201 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3961.2391 (pause 0.40) 3961.6426 3202 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3961.6426 little small kitchens in- [in DC.] 3964.1910 3203 DCB_int_01 3963.3274 [Little hole in the walls.] Mm. 3964.7502 3204 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3964.7573 And it still is. The best place to get it is little hole in the wall carry out. 3967.6709 3205 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3967.6709 (pause 0.62) 3968.2868 3206 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3968.2868 Can't get it from a clean place. 3969.3557 3207 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3969.3557 (pause 0.33) 3969.6884 3208 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3969.6884 Terrible thing to say, but 3970.8777 3209 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3970.8777 (pause 0.90) 3971.7737 3210 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3971.7737 [you know.] 3972.2410 3211 DCB_int_01 3971.8658 [But carry] out means something different, right? 3973.4585 3212 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3973.5789 It does. I mean- I mean carry out's Chinese food, so 3976.0211 3213 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3976.0211 (pause 0.52) 3976.5449 3214 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3976.5449 [you gotta-] 3977.0617 3215 DCB_int_01 3976.6794 [But it's not] just Chinese food. 3977.6705 3216 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3977.7313 It's not. 3978.0852 3217 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3978.0852 (pause 0.18) 3978.2693 3218 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3978.2693 So it's Chinese and American food. 3979.8125 3219 DCB_int_01 3979.8691 Mm-hm. 3980.2443 3220 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3980.6903 [And it's-] 3981.2283 3221 DCB_int_01 3980.7044 [And I can get] my steak and cheese. [I can get] 3982.8706 3222 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3982.2618 [Oh yeah.] 3982.8352 3223 DCB_int_01 3983.2953 fried [shrimp. I can] 3984.7082 3224 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3983.7171 [Five wings and fries.] 3984.8214 3225 DCB_int_01 3984.9559 Mm. 3985.4727 3226 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3985.6851 Ketchup, Mumbo Sauce, salt and pepper. 3987.0725 3227 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3987.0725 (pause 0.28) 3987.3486 3228 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3987.3486 All day. 3987.8300 3229 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3987.8300 (pause 0.76) 3988.5945 3230 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3988.5945 And you gotta order it just like- it's like going to Philly and getting a cheese steak. You- 3991.4798 3231 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3991.4798 (pause 0.30) 3991.7771 3232 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 3991.7771 there's a way that Philadelphians order a cheese steak that lets you know that they're from there. 3995.6422 3233 DCB_int_01 3996.2268 Okay so how do I sound like 3997.7912 3234 DCB_int_01 3997.7912 (pause 0.28) 3998.0744 3235 DCB_int_01 3998.0744 authentic DC when I order me some mumbo [Sauce.] 4000.7466 3236 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4000.5025 [Five wings with fries.] 4001.7059 3237 DCB_int_01 4000.9191 [I mean-. 4001.2036 3238 DCB_int_01 4001.2036 (pause 0.47) 4001.6705 3239 DCB_int_01 4001.9224 Five wings and [fries.] 4003.2886 3240 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4003.0975 [Yup.] 4003.3382 3241 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4003.4727 Ketchup, mumbo Sauce, salt and pepper. 4004.7327 3242 DCB_int_01 4005.1858 Ketchup, mumbo Sauce, salt and pepper. 4006.8989 3243 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4006.8989 Yup. 4007.1608 3244 DCB_int_01 4007.9295 But do I really need the ketchup if I'm'a got the mumbo sauce. 4010.3788 3245 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4010.2938 On your french fries. 4011.3628 3246 DCB_int_01 4011.9149 But see now- now, wait a minute now, cause I've seen the kids when I was at Clubhouse Two. 4015.6143 3247 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4015.6355 [Mm-hm.] 4016.0532 3248 DCB_int_01 4015.9045 [This is] when I first started working so I had no clue- 4018.1627 3249 DCB_int_01 4018.3397 cause in college I didn't know about mumbo [Sauce.] 4019.9137 3250 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4019.8516 [Mm-hm.] 4020.2126 3251 DCB_int_01 4020.2011 I knew a little bit about go go, couldn't stand it. 4022.3527 3252 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4022.7540 4023.2141 3253 DCB_int_01 4024.6087 So I- every day, there w- it was this little 4026.5029 3254 DCB_int_01 4026.5029 (pause 0.18) 4026.6798 3255 DCB_int_01 4026.6798 joint like, 4027.2249 3256 DCB_int_01 4027.2249 (pause 0.14) 4027.3665 3257 DCB_int_01 4027.3665 down the street. 4028.2160 3258 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4028.2372 Mm-hm. 4028.6478 3259 DCB_int_01 4029.4831 And, I can't remember what- 4031.8899 3260 DCB_int_01 4031.8899 (pause 0.18) 4032.0711 3261 DCB_int_01 4032.0711 something it was called, but they would go 4033.7771 3262 DCB_int_01 4033.7771 (pause 0.37) 4034.1452 3263 DCB_int_01 4034.1452 before they came to the Club, 4035.6884 3264 DCB_int_01 4035.6884 (pause 0.44) 4036.1273 3265 DCB_int_01 4036.1273 and they would go 4036.8493 3266 DCB_int_01 4036.8493 (pause 0.25) 4037.1042 3267 DCB_int_01 4037.1042 get they chicken wings and mumbo sauce [for they french] fries. But they put it in everything. 4041.0796 3268 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4039.0338 [Mm-hm.] 4039.5435 3269 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4041.1079 Mm-hm. 4041.4477 3270 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4041.4477 (pause 0.61) 4042.0565 3271 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4042.0565 And I think- I mean- it- 4042.8564 3272 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4042.8564 (pause 0.42) 4043.2741 3273 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4043.2741 of course, like it- with anything, there's always going to be variations. I know people who get it w- five wings and fried rice. 4048.0913 3274 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4048.0913 (pause 1.20) 4049.2882 3275 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4049.2882 And they'll get mumbo sauce on the fried rice. I'm not quite with that game. 4052.1381 3276 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4052.1381 (pause 0.67) 4052.8035 3277 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4052.8035 Um, 4053.4548 3278 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4053.4548 (pause 1.21) 4054.6653 3279 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4054.6653 but 4054.9626 3280 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4054.9626 (pause 0.33) 4055.2953 3281 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4055.2953 mumbo sauce had to be in the picture. 4056.9134 3282 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4056.9134 (pause 0.27) 4057.1824 3283 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4057.1824 There was a place- it's no longer open. It's called Houng Pho 4059.9149 3284 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4059.9149 (pause 1.03) 4060.9484 3285 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4060.9484 right near the DC 4062.8781 3286 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4062.8781 (pause 0.22) 4063.0975 3287 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4063.0975 Eastern Avenue 4064.2018 3288 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4064.2018 (pause 0.26) 4064.4637 3289 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4064.4637 border. PG DC border. 4065.9786 3290 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4065.9786 (pause 0.60) 4066.5803 3291 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4066.5803 The best- 4067.8616 3292 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4067.8616 (pause 0.41) 4068.2693 3293 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4068.2693 Houng Pho was open when I was in elementary school. 4070.0602 3294 DCB_int_01 4070.4637 At [/RD-SCHOOL-2/.] 4071.1008 3295 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4070.7964 [The-] at /RD-SCHOOL-2/. Yeah. 4072.2122 3296 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4072.4104 Right next to 4073.7979 3297 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4073.7979 (pause 0.27) 4074.0711 3298 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4074.0711 [uh-] 4074.6835 3299 DCB_int_01 4074.4250 [Was that] the golden years of your life? 4075.7063 3300 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4075.8337 It was. [I mean] those were good years. 4078.1556 3301 DCB_int_01 4076.3080 [Mm.] 4076.6053 3302 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4078.6794 Those were- I mean, good years for so many reasons cause it- 4080.7506 3303 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4080.7506 (pause 1.14) 4081.8903 3304 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4081.8903 it was family- it's- every- it was like family reunion every day. 4085.4864 3305 DCB_int_01 4085.7059 Mm. 4086.0528 3306 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4086.1914 Like [black family reunion.] 4087.5440 3307 DCB_int_01 4086.4887 [Everything you can remember] that was good in your life happened 4088.8318 3308 DCB_int_01 4088.9663 while you were at [/RD-SCHOOL-2/.] 4090.1768 3309 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4089.6318 [Yeah.] 4090.0211 3310 DCB_int_01 4090.3963 Not to say other things weren't [good, but that- those were] golden years [for you.] 4093.6638 3311 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4091.3348 [No, no, no, but it was-] 4092.5029 3312 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4092.5029 (pause 0.70) 4093.2037 3313 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4093.2037 [Those are-] Those eight years are years I will never- 4095.9811 3314 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4096.7715 I mean simple things. I can remember when we used to take spelling tests 4100.1027 3315 DCB_int_01 4100.7894 Loved it. 4101.3628 3316 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4101.4406 on the half a sheet of paper, 4103.0829 3317 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4103.0829 (pause 0.41) 4103.4935 3318 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4103.4935 and it wasn't a p- now, the teacher didn't have to tear it, 4106.3576 3319 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4106.3576 (pause 0.47) 4106.8248 3320 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4106.8248 she ordered it from a magical paper store that sent 4110.0528 3321 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4110.0528 (pause 0.24) 4110.2976 3322 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4110.2976 half sheets of paper. 4111.7417 3323 DCB_int_01 4111.7912 4112.3363 3324 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4112.6195 And it was something special about spelling day when you got this half sheet of paper, 4116.9134 3325 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4116.9134 (pause 0.40) 4117.3169 3326 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4117.3169 and you had to number it one to ten 4119.3557 3327 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4119.3557 (pause 0.77) 4120.1273 3328 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4120.1273 and spell these ten words right. 4121.6280 3329 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4121.6280 (pause 0.20) 4121.8304 3330 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4121.8304 They're- they're- they're visuals. They're photographs in my mind [I have] 4126.1273 3331 DCB_int_01 4125.4052 [Kids know nothing] [about this.] 4127.1183 3332 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4126.6299 [of the school.] 4127.2528 3333 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4127.3449 Nothing. 4128.0598 3334 DCB_int_01 4128.2480 [Nothing.] 4128.9984 3335 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4128.6374 [I remember] the open space, and the- the- the bulletin board and the chalk board that was the divider. 4134.7011 3336 DCB_int_01 4134.7365 [Mm-hm.] 4135.1683 3337 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4134.9984 [And there] was another class on side of- of the chalk board but you would never know 4138.0919 3338 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4138.3397 cause you- you were so engrossed in what your teacher was doing. 4141.0975 3339 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4141.0975 (pause 0.73) 4141.8266 3340 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4141.8266 It was right there. 4142.5628 3341 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4142.5628 (pause 0.27) 4142.8318 3342 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4142.8318 I remember /RD-NAME-4/ 4144.3043 3343 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4144.3043 (pause 0.74) 4145.0475 3344 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4145.0475 who was the- I don't even know what Miss /RD-NAME-2/'s title was, 4147.8408 3345 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4147.8408 (pause 0.71) 4148.5487 3346 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4148.5487 but she was like the everything. You would have thought she was assistant principal. She was never that. She's like the program coordinator. 4154.0602 3347 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4154.0602 (pause 0.28) 4154.3363 3348 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4154.3363 Miss /RD-NAME-2/ had taught, 4155.6672 3349 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4155.6672 (pause 0.33) 4155.9999 3350 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4155.9999 but by the time I got 4157.2528 3351 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4157.2528 (pause 0.73) 4157.9861 3352 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4157.9861 there, she was no longer a teacher. She was this administrator. 4160.5982 3353 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4160.5982 (pause 0.71) 4161.3061 3354 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4161.3061 Um, 4161.8724 3355 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4161.8724 (pause 1.41) 4163.2812 3356 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4163.2812 next to Miss /RD-NAME-2/, Miss /RD-NAME-2/ was /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 4165.3594 3357 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4165.3594 (pause 1.16) 4166.5204 3358 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4166.5204 You had Mr. /RD-NAME-2/. You had /RD-NAME-5/. You had /RD-NAME-4/. 4170.2834 3359 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4170.2834 (pause 0.66) 4170.9418 3360 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4170.9418 Uh, you had /RD-NAME-3/, 4172.5487 3361 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4172.5487 (pause 0.22) 4172.7681 3362 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4172.7681 the librarian. 4173.6884 3363 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4173.6884 (pause 0.82) 4174.5095 3364 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4174.5095 [Um-] 4175.1467 3365 DCB_int_01 4174.5095 [I knew the li- I] 4175.3490 3366 DCB_int_01 4175.5543 I was [wondering when the librarian was gonna] come in because 4177.7771 3367 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4175.8333 [Oh yeah, she was right there.] 4176.8781 3368 DCB_int_01 4178.0178 you can't have a good school 4179.8087 3369 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4179.8866 Without [a librarian.] 4180.9895 3370 DCB_int_01 4180.1344 [without a good librarian.] 4181.2033 3371 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4181.2741 /RD-NAME-3/. /RD-NAME-4/. And for some rea- You remember these people middle names. That's how you knew- 4186.0191 3372 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4186.0191 (pause 0.35) 4186.3680 3373 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4186.3680 it was /RD-NAME-5/, 4188.1519 3374 DCB_int_01 4187.9082 4188.6728 3375 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4188.7648 /RD-NAME-4/. [U- You] remember. 4191.0584 3376 DCB_int_01 4190.0390 [/?/] 4190.4354 3377 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4191.5256 You remember these people's 4192.9149 3378 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4192.9149 (pause 0.21) 4193.1246 3379 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4193.1246 um, 4193.5750 3380 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4193.5750 (pause 0.72) 4194.2976 3381 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4194.2976 names. But /RD-SCHOOL-4/ had a- a friend, 4196.7171 3382 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4196.7171 (pause 1.06) 4197.7811 3383 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4197.7811 and this was back in the day, where, you know, corporal punishment wasn't in the picture. 4201.7262 3384 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4201.7262 (pause 1.00) 4202.7249 3385 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4202.7249 Her- her friend was called /RD-NAME-2/. 4204.6508 3386 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4204.6508 (pause 1.98) 4206.6312 3387 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4206.6312 /RD-NAME-2/ was 4207.3146 3388 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4207.3146 (pause 0.15) 4207.4621 3389 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4207.4621 about three yard sticks taped together. 4209.8354 3390 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4209.8354 (pause 1.52) 4211.3575 3391 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4211.3575 And /RD-NAME-4/ would walk into the cafeteria. 4213.9871 3392 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4213.9871 (pause 0.83) 4214.8181 3393 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4214.8181 She asked you be quiet, 4216.1228 3394 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4216.1228 (pause 1.34) 4217.4663 3395 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4217.4663 and you didn't, /RD-NAME-2/ (whispered) 4219.0893 3396 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4219.0893 (pause 0.30) 4219.3845 3397 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4219.3845 wham! 4219.8970 3398 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4219.8970 (pause 0.54) 4220.4375 3399 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4220.4375 On the table. 4221.0355 3400 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4221.0355 (pause 0.58) 4221.6180 3401 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4221.6180 I tell you you hear a pin drop, and I mean you can- I can- to to this day I can hear, 4225.1282 3402 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4225.1282 (pause 0.54) 4225.6687 3403 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4225.6687 I told you be quiet! 4226.5696 3404 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4226.5696 (pause 0.73) 4227.2996 3405 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4227.2996 /RD-NAME-2/ had a word where you knew she was cussing, but she couldn't cuss cause- so she didn't say a cuss word. 4231.7029 3406 DCB_int_01 4231.7805 So [she wasn't like the other lady.] 4232.9579 3407 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4232.0393 [But she said, blame it.] 4233.1831 3408 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4233.8044 And you knew she was really saying the other [word], 4235.9711 3409 DCB_int_01 4235.6682 [Mm-hm.] 4236.1497 3410 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4236.3361 but she said, blame it! 4237.4311 3411 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4237.4311 (pause 0.31) 4237.7386 3412 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4237.7386 And I can hear her 4238.8647 3413 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4238.8647 (pause 0.36) 4239.2219 3414 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4239.2219 now 4239.7345 3415 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4239.7345 (pause 0.49) 4240.2237 3416 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4240.2237 saying it. 4240.7363 3417 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4240.7363 (pause 0.61) 4241.3498 3418 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4241.3498 But as much as she did that, 4242.6700 3419 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4242.6700 (pause 0.57) 4243.2447 3420 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4243.2447 Miss /RD-NAME-2/ can say blame it 4244.7948 3421 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4244.7948 (pause 0.54) 4245.3306 3422 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4245.3306 and be good. 4245.9830 3423 DCB_int_01 4245.9674 But Miss [what's name-] 4247.1556 3424 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4246.6353 [Oh, Miss /RD-NAME-1/? 4247.4585 3425 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4247.6216 [No,] Miss /RD-NAME-1/ cursed at- 4249.3379 3426 DCB_int_01 4247.6216 [Miss /RD-NAME-1/.] 4248.1730 3427 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4249.8659 at 4250.2387 3428 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4250.2387 (pause 0.28) 4250.5152 3429 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4250.5152 us. 4251.0899 3430 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4251.0899 (pause 1.65) 4252.7363 3431 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4252.7363 There was a pride built into /RD-SCHOOL-2/ students so strong, 4255.5864 3432 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4255.5864 (pause 0.42) 4256.0027 3433 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4256.0027 it was almost a how 4257.5170 3434 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4257.5170 (pause 0.41) 4257.9286 3435 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4257.9286 dare you? 4258.6819 3436 DCB_int_01 4258.9925 [Mm.] 4259.3109 3437 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4259.1090 [Do you] know who we are? 4260.3749 3438 DCB_int_01 4260.5380 Hm. 4260.8253 3439 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4261.5864 We are the /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Eagles, 4263.0666 3440 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4263.0666 (pause 0.46) 4263.5248 3441 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4263.5248 and you have [lost your mind. You cursed] at us. You got to go. 4266.2988 3442 DCB_int_01 4264.1771 [] 4264.9615 3443 DCB_int_01 4267.1748 And she went. 4267.7495 3444 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4267.7029 She went. 4268.1766 3445 DCB_int_01 4268.4298 Very quickly. 4269.0200 3446 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4269.4549 But I- I mean just- those were- those were 4271.7769 3447 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4271.7769 (pause 0.87) 4272.6467 3448 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4272.6467 special y- 4273.6563 3449 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4273.6563 (pause 0.44) 4274.0958 3450 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4274.0958 I- I don't know why I remember this. My mom- 4276.1383 3451 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4276.1383 (pause 0.11) 4276.2470 3452 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4276.2470 And I mean the parents were there. The- 4278.1419 3453 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4278.1419 (pause 0.91) 4279.0505 3454 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4279.0505 They would have- when Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ left, they had a going away for him, 4281.9441 3455 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4281.9441 (pause 0.47) 4282.4179 3456 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4282.4179 and I remember my mom bringing a rum cake 4284.7787 3457 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4284.7787 (pause 0.89) 4285.6640 3458 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4285.6640 to school. And I thought it was the funniest thing cause she had= 4287.9907 3459 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4287.9907 (pause 0.50) 4288.4878 3460 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4288.4878 rum cake, and I mean 4289.8934 3461 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4289.8934 (pause 0.29) 4290.1807 3462 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4290.1807 this is one of them cakes where you- you spoon the rum over the cake three days- [once] a day for three [days.] 4294.6431 3463 DCB_int_01 4293.3706 [Mm.] 4293.5885 3464 DCB_int_01 4293.5885 (pause 0.69) 4294.2815 3465 DCB_int_01 4294.2815 [.] 4294.6415 3466 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4295.1168 And so when you take this top off this cake, 4297.0738 3467 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4297.0738 (pause 1.36) 4298.4375 3468 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4298.4375 okay, cool. 4299.5791 3469 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4299.5791 (pause 0.23) 4299.8044 3470 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4299.8044 And of course no children ate the cake. It was for the staff and the- and the parents, 4303.4311 3471 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4303.4311 (pause 0.75) 4304.1813 3472 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4304.1813 but I mean just- there were moments 4306.1072 3473 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4306.1072 (pause 0.71) 4306.8139 3474 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4306.8139 that 4307.3265 3475 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4307.3265 (pause 1.25) 4308.5768 3476 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4308.5768 only could happen in a family 4310.3892 3477 DCB_int_01 4310.5367 [Environment.] 4311.0511 3478 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4310.5618 in a [community] environment. 4312.2004 3479 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4312.7673 The even- 4313.7303 3480 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4313.7303 (pause 0.99) 4314.7166 3481 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4314.7166 I remember falling asleep. I remember I have horrible allergies. 4318.1305 3482 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4318.1305 (pause 0.68) 4318.8139 3483 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4318.8139 I mean bad, 4320.0642 3484 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4320.0642 (pause 0.47) 4320.5302 3485 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4320.5302 and one day it was so bad Miss /RD-NAME-2/ felt so bad for me. 4323.8820 3486 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4323.8820 (pause 0.77) 4324.6508 3487 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4324.6508 Teachers and parents are- they not supposed to give no medicine to the children. 4327.7339 3488 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4327.7339 (pause 0.77) 4328.4997 3489 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4328.4997 But because that's Miss /RD-NAME-2/ and she knows, and she knows Miss /RD-NAME-2/ was around the corner 4332.4059 3490 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4332.4059 (pause 0.75) 4333.1515 3491 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4333.1515 Was it fine? Yup. They gave me Tylenol Allergy. I'll never forget. 4336.5654 3492 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4336.5654 (pause 0.18) 4336.7440 3493 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4336.7440 I slept six hours 4338.3438 3494 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4338.3438 (pause 0.60) 4338.9418 3495 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4338.9418 on the green leather sticky stinky [sofa] 4342.6974 3496 DCB_int_01 4342.0762 [] 4342.7207 3497 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4343.0857 in the main office. 4344.1652 3498 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4344.1652 (pause 0.21) 4344.3749 3499 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4344.3749 And this one of them sofas with the wooden bench but the green 4347.2141 3500 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4347.2141 (pause 0.54) 4347.7578 3501 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4347.7578 cushion that they had tied with [twine to the bench.] 4351.0505 3502 DCB_int_01 4349.5983 [] 4351.0971 3503 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4351.9017 And slept on there for six hours. 4353.3539 3504 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4353.3539 (pause 0.12) 4353.4704 3505 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4353.4704 Tylenol knocked me out completely, 4355.1556 3506 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4355.1556 (pause 0.12) 4355.2721 3507 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4355.2721 and that- /to this/ day I have never used Tylenol Allergy cause I was- I don't never wanna sleep like that, that hard. 4359.8820 3508 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4359.8820 (pause 0.71) 4360.5965 3509 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4360.5965 But there were just- there were m- I mean, I could go on- there are pictures 4363.4311 3510 DCB_int_01 4364.0328 /In just-/ 4364.3384 3511 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4364.5307 [in my] head 4365.3384 3512 DCB_int_01 4364.5714 [Mm-hm.] 4364.8922 3513 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4365.8820 um, of those moments that 4367.6915 3514 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4367.6915 (pause 0.67) 4368.3593 3515 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4368.3593 again were validating 4369.7262 3516 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4369.7262 (pause 0.81) 4370.5385 3517 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4370.5385 and let you know that 4371.6257 3518 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4371.6257 (pause 1.06) 4372.6897 3519 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4372.6897 you were special and somebody cared and your life meant something and 4376.5230 3520 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4376.5230 (pause 1.12) 4377.6413 3521 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4377.6413 you know. 4378.0373 3522 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4378.0373 (pause 0.55) 4378.5887 3523 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4378.5887 [I try] to use that. 4379.4430 3524 DCB_int_01 4378.6115 [If you-] 4378.8113 3525 DCB_int_01 4379.5672 if you could leave- that's what I was just gonna ask you- if you could leave, 4382.1424 3526 DCB_int_01 4382.1424 (pause 0.77) 4382.9113 3527 DCB_int_01 4382.9113 a piece of advice, 4384.0839 3528 DCB_int_01 4384.0839 (pause 0.76) 4384.8450 3529 DCB_int_01 4384.8450 and you do this on a daily basis, but if we could sum it up, put a bow on it, you could have a piece of advice 4389.9364 3530 DCB_int_01 4389.9364 (pause 0.50) 4390.4412 3531 DCB_int_01 4390.4412 to the young people, to the old peo- to whomever, 4393.8582 3532 DCB_int_01 4393.8582 (pause 0.46) 4394.3211 3533 DCB_int_01 4394.3211 like in today's time, thinking about all your journey and everything that's 4399.1359 3534 DCB_int_01 4399.1359 (pause 0.60) 4399.7386 3535 DCB_int_01 4399.7386 up to this point. What would that piece of advice be? 4401.9441 3536 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4402.1538 Create moments that matter. 4403.6915 3537 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4403.6915 (pause 1.51) 4405.1981 3538 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4405.1981 At the end of the day that's all we have. 4406.7171 3539 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4406.7171 (pause 1.81) 4408.5266 3540 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4408.5266 We have moments that matter. 4409.6526 3541 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4409.6526 (pause 1.09) 4410.7476 3542 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4410.7476 Moments that made you better. 4412.4841 3543 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4412.4841 (pause 1.03) 4413.5092 3544 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4413.5092 Moments that helped you forgive. 4415.6138 3545 DCB_int_01 4416.1264 Hm. 4416.3671 3546 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4416.8020 Um, 4417.3534 3547 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4417.3534 (pause 0.56) 4417.9172 3548 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4417.9172 moments that 4418.9967 3549 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4418.9967 (pause 1.01) 4420.0063 3550 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4420.0063 made you laugh. Like that 4421.5750 3551 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4421.5750 (pause 0.36) 4421.9400 3552 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4421.9400 gut 4422.4370 3553 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4422.4370 (pause 0.20) 4422.6389 3554 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4422.6389 wrenching 4423.2757 3555 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4423.2757 (pause 0.44) 4423.7184 3556 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4423.7184 side hurting, tears down your [face], laugh, 4427.2566 3557 DCB_int_01 4426.1538 [Face.] 4426.5576 3558 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4427.9167 that twenty years later you can think about it and still laugh just as hard. 4431.5636 3559 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4431.5636 (pause 0.75) 4432.3091 3560 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4432.3091 Um, 4432.7673 3561 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4432.7673 (pause 0.40) 4433.1634 3562 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4433.1634 create moments that matter 4434.3438 3563 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4434.3438 (pause 0.51) 4434.8564 3564 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4434.8564 with people that you love, with 4436.5929 3565 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4436.5929 (pause 0.66) 4437.2530 3566 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4437.2530 somebody that doesn't have what you 4438.6664 3567 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4438.6664 (pause 0.32) 4438.9848 3568 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4438.9848 have. 4439.4197 3569 DCB_int_01 4440.3516 I remember- 4441.2291 3570 DCB_int_01 4441.2291 (pause 1.42) 4442.6472 3571 DCB_int_01 4442.6472 And it's so funny you talk about create moments that matter. 4445.0003 3572 DCB_int_01 4445.0003 (pause 0.38) 4445.3808 3573 DCB_int_01 4445.3808 Every time I wear this shirt, 4446.6700 3574 DCB_int_01 4446.6700 (pause 0.57) 4447.2447 3575 DCB_int_01 4447.2447 I always- when I'm traveling I try to wear it. 4449.1598 3576 DCB_int_01 4449.1598 (pause 0.56) 4449.7189 3577 DCB_int_01 4449.7189 I- I'm very intentional 4451.1556 3578 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4451.3886 Mm-hm. 4451.7381 3579 DCB_int_01 4451.8235 like, when I wear it. 4452.7321 3580 DCB_int_01 4452.7321 (pause 0.99) 4453.7231 3581 DCB_int_01 4453.7231 But I remember one of the things 4455.6413 3582 DCB_int_01 4455.6413 (pause 0.75) 4456.3946 3583 DCB_int_01 4456.3946 was just seeing 4457.5828 3584 DCB_int_01 4457.5828 (pause 0.21) 4457.7924 3585 DCB_int_01 4457.7924 The Arc 4458.6778 3586 DCB_int_01 4458.6778 (pause 1.29) 4459.9716 3587 DCB_int_01 4459.9716 filled with kids and people on a Saturday, 4463.2644 3588 DCB_int_01 4463.2644 (pause 0.61) 4463.8779 3589 DCB_int_01 4463.8779 and I remember 4465.0893 3590 DCB_int_01 4465.0893 (pause 1.01) 4466.0958 3591 DCB_int_01 4466.0958 the slide show. 4467.2141 3592 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4467.4937 Mm. 4467.8665 3593 DCB_int_01 4468.5033 That thing touched me in a place that I can't even really talk about. 4471.4311 3594 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4471.3767 Yeah. 4471.7029 3595 DCB_int_01 4471.9405 How- 4472.5773 3596 DCB_int_01 4472.5773 (pause 0.57) 4473.1442 3597 DCB_int_01 4473.1442 I can't talk about what that meant and how that felt. I just felt- 4476.6778 3598 DCB_int_01 4476.6778 (pause 0.39) 4477.0661 3599 DCB_int_01 4477.0661 I felt hurt 4478.3892 3600 DCB_int_01 4478.3892 (pause 0.39) 4478.7792 3601 DCB_int_01 4478.7792 but I felt reverent- like I need to just- 4480.7829 3602 DCB_int_01 4480.7829 (pause 0.70) 4481.4818 3603 DCB_int_01 4481.4818 This is a moment of reverence. Like I need to just realize 4484.8258 3604 DCB_int_01 4484.8258 (pause 0.20) 4485.0278 3605 DCB_int_01 4485.0278 the struggle that we've had, 4486.8217 3606 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4486.7751 Yup. 4487.0547 3607 DCB_int_01 4487.5439 um, and how much we've overcome. 4489.5009 3608 DCB_int_01 4489.5009 (pause 0.50) 4490.0027 3609 DCB_int_01 4490.0027 And I think- 4490.5152 3610 DCB_int_01 4490.5152 (pause 0.48) 4490.9967 3611 DCB_int_01 4490.9967 I think it just kind of summed up 4493.2721 3612 DCB_int_01 4493.2721 (pause 0.78) 4494.0565 3613 DCB_int_01 4494.0565 just- 4494.4215 3614 DCB_int_01 4494.4215 (pause 0.26) 4494.6778 3615 DCB_int_01 4494.6778 It was so many different emotions right? Cause you're listening to this- 4496.9423 3616 DCB_int_01 4496.9423 (pause 0.23) 4497.1753 3617 DCB_int_01 4497.1753 this song Glory, 4498.3091 3618 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4498.3014 Yeah. 4498.5887 3619 DCB_int_01 4498.6431 but you're seeing these very very- 4500.6389 3620 DCB_int_01 4500.6389 (pause 0.38) 4501.0195 3621 DCB_int_01 4501.0195 it's juxtaposed with these images of [these people] that are killed right? It's just like, 4504.4567 3622 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4502.5851 [Yup.] 4502.9268 3623 DCB_int_01 4504.6586 you're having these conflicting- 4506.4836 3624 DCB_int_01 4506.4836 (pause 0.41) 4506.8952 3625 DCB_int_01 4506.8952 but I think about- 4507.9125 3626 DCB_int_01 4507.9125 (pause 0.23) 4508.1424 3627 DCB_int_01 4508.1424 I think about DC. I think about 4510.6275 3628 DCB_int_01 4510.6275 (pause 0.63) 4511.2566 3629 DCB_int_01 4511.2566 we are in the middle- we are in the nation's capital. We're in one of the political capitals of the world. 4516.1616 3630 DCB_int_01 4516.1616 (pause 1.19) 4517.3498 3631 DCB_int_01 4517.3498 And I think about 4518.6001 3632 DCB_int_01 4518.6001 (pause 3.50) 4522.0995 3633 DCB_int_01 4522.0995 what it means when you cross the river. 4523.6759 3634 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4523.8934 Mm. 4524.3283 3635 DCB_int_01 4526.0570 How much we talk about how glorious DC is, 4528.6198 3636 DCB_int_01 4528.6198 (pause 1.90) 4530.5224 3637 DCB_int_01 4530.5224 but you can't go to wards seven and eight. 4532.0725 3638 DCB_int_01 4532.0725 (pause 0.19) 4532.2589 3639 DCB_int_01 4532.2589 Or now we got a new- ward nine. [Cause] we gotta kick our people out so we can 4535.9167 3640 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4534.0684 [Mm-hm.] 4534.4412 3641 DCB_int_01 4536.4448 you know, have Starbucks on every corner. Mind [you I do] drink a lot of Starbucks. 4539.2840 3642 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4538.0259 [Right.] 4538.3987 3643 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4538.3987 (pause 0.79) 4539.1908 3644 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4539.1908 Right. [] 4540.7518 3645 DCB_int_01 4540.2470 [But] 4540.6586 3646 DCB_int_01 4541.0236 like I remember that moment. 4542.7476 3647 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4542.8797 Yeah. 4543.2136 3648 DCB_int_01 4543.3301 And as I think back, 4544.6395 3649 DCB_int_01 4544.6395 (pause 0.32) 4544.9579 3650 DCB_int_01 4544.9579 and when I wear this shirt, I think about- Like I think about those images, and I think about 4549.8659 3651 DCB_int_01 4549.8659 (pause 0.40) 4550.2667 3652 DCB_int_01 4550.2667 that room being 4551.1675 3653 DCB_int_01 4551.1675 (pause 0.12) 4551.2918 3654 DCB_int_01 4551.2918 dark. And [I think] about 4552.8295 3655 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4551.8277 [Yeah.] 4552.1461 3656 DCB_int_01 4553.0469 seeing the stage, and [I think] about just like, oh my God. 4556.7463 3657 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4554.1341 [Yeah.] 4554.4914 3658 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4557.5636 But I think that's what life is. 4559.0236 3659 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4559.0236 (pause 1.66) 4560.6855 3660 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4560.6855 It's- it's seeing- 4562.2620 3661 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4562.2620 (pause 1.26) 4563.5248 3662 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4563.5248 I think- well let me take that back. I think it's life for those of us 4566.8408 3663 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4566.8408 (pause 0.85) 4567.6920 3664 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4567.6920 who fight 4568.9501 3665 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4568.9501 (pause 1.46) 4570.4101 3666 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4570.4101 for the better day. 4571.8468 3667 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4571.8468 (pause 0.96) 4572.8020 3668 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4572.8020 You see- 4574.0679 3669 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4574.0679 (pause 3.05) 4577.1168 3670 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4577.1168 what you see and what you hear are often two different 4579.3192 3671 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4579.3192 (pause 0.30) 4579.6221 3672 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4579.6221 [things.] 4580.0725 3673 DCB_int_01 4579.8396 [Very] much so. 4580.5929 3674 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4581.3306 And you see this- this darkness. And you see this 4584.1730 3675 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4584.1730 (pause 0.45) 4584.6234 3676 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4584.6234 sadness. But 4585.7184 3677 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4585.7184 (pause 0.43) 4586.1502 3678 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4586.1502 in your ear 4587.4549 3679 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4587.4549 (pause 1.34) 4588.7906 3680 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4588.7906 there's a 4589.3265 3681 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4589.3265 (pause 0.78) 4590.1031 3682 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4590.1031 one day. 4590.6778 3683 DCB_int_01 4591.1748 Have you seen Inside Out? 4592.3892 3684 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4592.8181 No, not yet. 4593.5791 3685 DCB_int_01 4593.7888 You have to [see it.] 4594.6974 3686 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4594.2936 [No wait. S-] That's um- 4595.5051 3687 DCB_int_01 4596.5147 The little animated video but it's the- it's the voices [in the little] girl's [head?] 4599.7798 3688 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4598.7482 [Mm.] 4599.1831 3689 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4599.1831 (pause 0.27) 4599.4549 3690 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4599.4549 [Yeah], yup yup. 4600.4334 3691 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4602.1217 Not a [/??/.] 4602.9834 3692 DCB_int_01 4602.5017 [When I was watching] it, 4603.5932 3693 DCB_int_01 4603.7699 I thought of a couple different things. I thought about /RD-NAME-3/, 4606.0676 3694 DCB_int_01 4606.0676 (pause 1.07) 4607.1370 3695 DCB_int_01 4607.1370 and I thought about this journey that we've been on the last six months. 4610.1632 3696 DCB_int_01 4610.1632 (pause 0.51) 4610.6713 3697 DCB_int_01 4610.6713 But I thought about, 4612.2709 3698 DCB_int_01 4612.2709 (pause 0.52) 4612.7879 3699 DCB_int_01 4612.7879 like when the girl lost her joy and- and all this that goes on in the movie, right? 4617.2148 3700 DCB_int_01 4617.2148 (pause 0.57) 4617.7893 3701 DCB_int_01 4617.7893 And I thought about- 4618.8144 3702 DCB_int_01 4618.8144 (pause 1.81) 4620.6210 3703 DCB_int_01 4620.6210 I was that one thousand [/worth/], and then today we talked about that. And I said, 4624.6421 3704 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4621.9334 [Mm.] 4622.2825 3705 DCB_int_01 4624.9558 you do- cause she was- she's reading something some poetry, and we talked a lot about eyes, and I said, 4629.0955 3706 DCB_int_01 4629.0955 (pause 0.44) 4629.5330 3707 DCB_int_01 4629.5330 I said, why do you talk about the eyes so much? 4632.1306 3708 DCB_int_01 4632.1306 (pause 0.33) 4632.4620 3709 DCB_int_01 4632.4620 And she said, cause they're the window to the soul. 4634.1367 3710 DCB_int_01 4634.1367 (pause 0.44) 4634.5741 3711 DCB_int_01 4634.5741 She said, 4635.1132 3712 DCB_int_01 4635.1132 (pause 0.74) 4635.8555 3713 DCB_int_01 4635.8555 you can- you can say a lot with your eyes without saying. You can say so many things with your mouth but your eyes tell it [all.] 4640.9320 3714 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4640.4946 [Mm-hm.] 4640.9232 3715 DCB_int_01 4641.2325 And that is so true. Like, [you can talk] to somebody for hours and hours and hours and 4645.0452 3716 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4642.2797 [Yeah.] 4642.6553 3717 DCB_int_01 4645.8981 they can be saying all this. 4647.1972 3718 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4647.1044 Yup. 4647.4402 3719 DCB_int_01 4647.5683 And you see pain in their eyes. [You see] hurt or 4650.2985 3720 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4648.8851 [Yeah.] 4649.3093 3721 DCB_int_01 4650.8773 apathy [or] 4652.4371 3722 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4651.8097 [Yeah.] 4652.4062 3723 DCB_int_01 4653.0513 just 4653.6876 3724 DCB_int_01 4653.6876 (pause 0.54) 4654.2267 3725 DCB_int_01 4654.2267 [sadness.] 4655.4330 3726 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4655.0884 [Yeah.] 4655.4021 3727 DCB_int_01 4655.6761 And it's just like- 4656.6879 3728 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4657.2264 But that's why I think for me why listening- 4659.1883 3729 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4659.1883 (pause 0.13) 4659.3165 3730 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4659.3165 active listening is so important 4660.8144 3731 DCB_int_01 4661.0619 Mm-hm. 4661.4595 3732 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4661.5744 because listening is not just done with your- You have to listen with your [whole body.] 4665.4269 3733 DCB_int_01 4664.7189 [Whole body.] 4665.3984 3734 DCB_int_01 4665.4844 Your whole [body needs to be in /that thing/.] 4667.2077 3735 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4665.9660 [Your whole being] 4667.2695 3736 DCB_int_01 4667.2960 [Yes.] 4667.8042 3737 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4667.6054 [is] there, 4668.3565 3738 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4668.4399 and 4669.0894 3739 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4669.0894 (pause 0.91) 4669.9953 3740 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4669.9953 I mean every day. And I- and that's- 4671.5153 3741 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4671.5153 (pause 0.41) 4671.9262 3742 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4671.9262 and I'm- I'm- I'm grateful to God for this sort of sixth sense that I have 4675.7081 3743 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4675.7081 (pause 0.60) 4676.3090 3744 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4676.3090 where, you know- 4677.2325 3745 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4677.2325 (pause 0.14) 4677.3739 3746 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4677.3739 you know, my kids will come and, hey, I'm good. 4679.0574 3747 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4679.0574 (pause 0.21) 4679.2695 3748 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4679.2695 No, you're [not.] 4679.9898 3749 DCB_int_01 4679.5965 [Mm.] 4680.2063 3750 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4680.5283 And I think it's- it's- I- it's m- it's my mama. 4682.8658 3751 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4682.8658 (pause 0.26) 4683.1220 3752 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4683.1220 It's my mother in me. 4684.1958 3753 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4684.1958 (pause 0.41) 4684.6067 3754 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4684.6067 It's the m- It's the /RD-NAME-3/ that's in me. 4687.4076 3755 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4687.4076 (pause 0.70) 4688.1057 3756 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4688.1057 Uh, cause she was that and still 4690.7128 3757 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4690.7128 (pause 0.18) 4690.8895 3758 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4690.8895 is. 4691.5612 3759 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4691.5612 (pause 0.54) 4692.1047 3760 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4692.1047 I 4692.3875 3761 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4692.3875 (pause 0.18) 4692.5636 3762 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4692.5636 cannot- as much as I try sometimes not to 4695.4004 3763 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4695.4004 (pause 0.59) 4695.9881 3764 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4695.9881 burden her with my stuff, 4697.5833 3765 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4697.5833 (pause 0.11) 4697.6937 3766 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4697.6937 I can't be around her 4699.3325 3767 DCB_int_01 4699.7257 [/Yup yup/.] 4700.2427 3768 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4699.8450 [and tell] her, no, I'm good. 4701.5816 3769 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4702.2179 What's wrong? 4702.8939 3770 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4702.8939 (pause 0.21) 4703.1016 3771 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4703.1016 And it's like, 4703.7733 3772 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4703.7733 (pause 0.17) 4703.9412 3773 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4703.9412 n- 4704.0472 3774 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4704.0472 (pause 0.19) 4704.2366 3775 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4704.2366 she can say two words and 4705.4739 3776 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4705.4739 (pause 0.15) 4705.6285 3777 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4705.6285 the flood gates is like oh my god. 4708.0544 3778 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4708.0544 (pause 0.77) 4708.8232 3779 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4708.8232 You know. And so, she passed that, I think along to me. 4711.8715 3780 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4711.8715 (pause 0.58) 4712.4504 3781 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4712.4504 And when these young people come in, 4714.2135 3782 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4714.2135 (pause 1.00) 4715.2165 3783 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4715.2165 and- like you said, you see it. It's in your eyes. 4717.9025 3784 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4717.9025 (pause 0.42) 4718.3267 3785 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4718.3267 It's in your body language. It's in how you set down in the chair as opposed to how you set in the chair yesterday. 4724.1897 3786 DCB_int_01 4724.4106 [Mm-hm.] 4724.8260 3787 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4724.6802 [It's] in the tone of your voice. 4726.5007 3788 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4728.4576 It's in the way you ask me a question. 4730.5465 3789 DCB_int_01 4730.7818 Mm. 4731.2723 3790 DCB_int_01 4731.2723 (pause 0.35) 4731.6258 3791 DCB_int_01 4731.6258 [Critical.] 4732.1030 3792 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4732.0411 [And I] hear you. 4733.2563 3793 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4734.1400 And I've had moments where I've said to them, 4736.4813 3794 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4736.4813 (pause 0.76) 4737.2413 3795 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4737.2413 take as much time as you want. 4738.7172 3796 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4738.7172 (pause 0.30) 4739.0132 3797 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4739.0132 We're not leaving this space til you tell me what- or just something. 4741.5534 3798 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4741.5534 (pause 0.94) 4742.4902 3799 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4742.4902 What is it? No, I'm good. 4743.6965 3800 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4743.6965 (pause 0.36) 4744.0588 3801 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4744.0588 What is it? 4744.6597 3802 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4744.6597 (pause 1.02) 4745.6805 3803 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4745.6805 No, I kn- I- I haven't gotten as good as my mama, where she can break me down off of two what is its. 4750.0544 3804 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4750.0544 (pause 1.19) 4751.2474 3805 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4751.2474 But there been moments where 4752.6217 3806 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4752.6217 (pause 0.22) 4752.8464 3807 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4752.8464 you know, we get- we get to the what it is. 4755.3297 3808 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4755.3297 (pause 0.92) 4756.2488 3809 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4756.2488 And it can be something simple or it can be something intense or- or m- or deeply meaningful, 4761.0911 3810 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4761.0911 (pause 0.74) 4761.8334 3811 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4761.8334 but 4762.1516 3812 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4762.1516 (pause 1.90) 4764.0472 3813 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4764.0472 I think that's what all of us want. We want to somebody to see us. 4766.8304 3814 DCB_int_01 4766.8878 Mm-hm. 4767.2899 3815 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4767.7407 I see you. 4768.6087 3816 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4768.6087 (pause 2.07) 4770.6829 3817 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4770.6829 I see you. 4771.4044 3818 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4771.4044 (pause 0.43) 4771.8318 3819 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4771.8318 [I] get you. 4772.7332 3820 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4772.7332 (pause 2.13) 4774.8630 3821 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4774.8630 Again, I go back to the the glory days. 4776.6520 3822 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4776.6520 (pause 0.15) 4776.7978 3823 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4776.7978 There were people who saw that. 4777.9997 3824 DCB_int_01 4778.6713 Mm. 4779.0381 3825 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4779.0911 And at points where I, you know, 4780.7614 3826 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4780.7614 (pause 1.01) 4781.7733 3827 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4781.7733 battled with what it meant to be 4784.2206 3828 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4784.2206 (pause 0.15) 4784.3753 3829 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4784.3753 the little chubby 4785.3032 3830 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4785.3032 (pause 0.20) 4785.5065 3831 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4785.5065 dark skinned boy 4786.5449 3832 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4786.5449 (pause 1.71) 4788.2499 3833 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4788.2499 and wrestled with that and 4790.2692 3834 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4790.2692 (pause 0.75) 4791.0204 3835 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4791.0204 what that meant. 4791.9660 3836 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4791.9660 (pause 1.78) 4793.7423 3837 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4793.7423 And there were people that saw 4795.2794 3838 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4795.2794 (pause 0.70) 4795.9776 3839 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4795.9776 greatness. 4796.5874 3840 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4796.5874 (pause 0.16) 4796.7509 3841 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4796.7509 So when I make 4797.8246 3842 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4797.8246 (pause 0.35) 4798.1737 3843 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4798.1737 little spiritual vitamins in high school that say, you are destined 4801.6108 3844 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4801.6108 (pause 0.60) 4802.2074 3845 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4802.2074 for greatness, that's real. 4803.7053 3846 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4803.7053 (pause 1.24) 4804.9425 3847 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4804.9425 I see it. I look for it in people cause somebody saw it in me. 4808.6492 3848 DCB_int_01 4808.7067 Mm-hm. 4809.3209 3849 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4809.8555 When my teacher said, stand there and you wait until somebody- 4812.6437 3850 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4812.6437 (pause 0.27) 4812.9171 3851 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4812.9171 until everybody stops talking, 4814.5564 3852 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4814.5564 (pause 1.32) 4815.8776 3853 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4815.8776 they saw something in me, and when- 4817.7291 3854 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4817.7291 (pause 0.12) 4817.8484 3855 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4817.8484 when I had that moment and people listened, 4820.1853 3856 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4820.1853 (pause 0.46) 4820.6448 3857 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4820.6448 those people saw something in me. 4822.4344 3858 DCB_int_01 4822.6111 Mm-hm. 4823.0972 3859 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4823.7020 You know, and I want that- 4824.9304 3860 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4824.9304 (pause 0.27) 4825.1999 3861 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4825.1999 You know, I wanna create those type of moments for 4827.8246 3862 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4827.8246 (pause 0.45) 4828.2709 3863 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4828.2709 not just the young people, but people, 4829.8754 3864 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4829.8754 (pause 0.14) 4830.0113 3865 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4830.0113 like, it's- in general. And that's- once I realized 4832.3488 3866 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4832.3488 (pause 1.02) 4833.3651 3867 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4833.3651 junior year, 4834.1428 3868 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4834.1428 (pause 0.60) 4834.7393 3869 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4834.7393 this art thing is cool, but 4836.2461 3870 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4836.2461 (pause 0.58) 4836.8243 3871 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4836.8243 this is not what I'm supposed to do 4838.4195 3872 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4838.4195 (pause 0.83) 4839.2502 3873 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4839.2502 with my life. 4839.9528 3874 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4839.9528 (pause 0.20) 4840.1560 3875 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4840.1560 Now it's given a lot. 4841.3667 3876 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4841.3667 (pause 1.69) 4843.0585 3877 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4843.0585 It's given a whole lot, 4844.2118 3878 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4844.2118 (pause 0.21) 4844.4239 3879 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4844.4239 um, because it's given me discipline. 4846.4040 3880 DCB_int_01 4846.8851 Mm. 4847.1370 3881 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4847.1149 It's given me pride, 4848.2107 3882 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4849.0143 given me creativity, 4850.1985 3883 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4850.1985 (pause 0.81) 4851.0116 3884 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4851.0116 but it wasn't what I was supposed to do. 4852.2444 3885 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4852.2444 (pause 1.76) 4854.0030 3886 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4854.0030 You [know.] 4854.4626 3887 DCB_int_01 4854.2941 [It's] just means to whatever the end [is.] 4857.2325 3888 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4856.5078 [Mm-hm.] 4856.9320 3889 DCB_se2_ag3_m_01 4857.5065 Yup. 4857.7627