Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DCB_int_01 0.2513 And when is your birthday? 1.4543 2 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2.5361 Four two fifty-seven. 3.8884 3 DCB_int_01 5.8503 And where were you born? 6.6990 4 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 7.3285 DC General Hospital, Washington DC, District of Columbia. 11.8596 5 DCB_int_01 11.9467 And what neighborhood did you grow up in? 13.5243 6 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 14.1584 Well I grew up in 15.7194 7 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 15.7194 (pause 0.26) 15.9805 8 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 15.9805 a couple of neighborhoods. The first neighborhood that I 18.8295 9 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 18.8295 (pause 0.72) 19.5523 10 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 19.5523 um- 19.9440 11 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 19.9440 (pause 0.96) 20.9045 12 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 20.9045 w- w- 21.1983 13 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 21.1983 (pause 0.71) 21.9059 14 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 21.9059 Around um, 23.0063 15 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 23.0063 (pause 0.69) 23.7011 16 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 23.7011 Fifth and P. 24.4518 17 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 24.4518 (pause 0.82) 25.2725 18 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 25.2725 Um, 25.8554 19 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 25.8554 (pause 0.30) 26.1538 20 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 26.1538 Shaw area. 27.0724 21 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 27.0724 (pause 0.27) 27.3382 22 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 27.3382 Um, 27.6739 23 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 27.6739 (pause 0.98) 28.6566 24 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 28.6566 went to /RD-SCHOOL-5/ Elementary School, 30.5358 25 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 30.5358 (pause 0.83) 31.3658 26 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 31.3658 and then attend- 32.1818 27 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 32.1818 (pause 0.28) 32.4662 28 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 32.4662 I attended the original /RD-SCHOOL-1/ Junior High School 35.0390 29 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 35.0390 (pause 0.44) 35.4773 30 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 35.4773 on um, Seventh and /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Avenue, which is now 38.4802 31 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 38.4802 (pause 0.51) 38.9931 32 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 38.9931 um, a senior citizen home. And they 41.0576 33 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 41.0576 (pause 0.29) 41.3467 34 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 41.3467 built a new Shaw 42.4285 35 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 42.4285 (pause 0.59) 43.0160 36 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 43.0160 uh, further down. 44.1211 37 DCB_int_01 45.1097 Okay, and so 46.2055 38 DCB_int_01 46.2055 (pause 1.00) 47.2068 39 DCB_int_01 47.2068 this was North 48.1954 40 DCB_int_01 48.1954 (pause 0.41) 48.6057 41 DCB_int_01 48.6057 West. 49.3191 42 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 49.2725 This is [Northwest.] 50.5688 43 DCB_int_01 50.1724 [Okay.] 50.5734 44 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 50.8019 Mm-hm. 51.2402 45 DCB_int_01 51.2589 Shaw is- I'm still tryna get that neighborhood cause I don't know that neighborhood [/very well/.] 55.0487 46 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 54.4005 [Shaw area is the] Howard U- [near] Howard University, um, 57.6319 47 DCB_int_01 55.7341 [/?/] 55.9906 48 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 58.3582 LeDroit Park area. 59.7897 49 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 59.7897 (pause 0.54) 60.3259 50 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 60.3259 Yeah. 60.6290 51 DCB_int_01 61.1792 And um, have you lived in other places outside of 64.2836 52 DCB_int_01 64.2836 (pause 0.20) 64.4794 53 DCB_int_01 64.4794 DC? 64.8385 54 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 64.9131 I have never lived in any place else 67.6036 55 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 67.6036 (pause 0.14) 67.7434 56 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 67.7434 other than the District of Columbia. 69.1656 57 DCB_int_01 69.4734 Mm! 69.9618 58 DCB_int_01 69.9618 (pause 0.13) 70.0877 59 DCB_int_01 70.0877 That is great. We don't have- 71.6918 60 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 72.1674 A true Washingtonian? 73.2127 61 DCB_int_01 73.2025 We have some, 74.4382 62 DCB_int_01 74.5595 but usually like- The one I interviewed the other day, he had lived in 78.2467 63 DCB_int_01 78.2467 (pause 0.59) 78.8342 64 DCB_int_01 78.8342 um- 79.2911 65 DCB_int_01 79.2911 (pause 0.14) 79.4264 66 DCB_int_01 79.4264 He lived in DC all his life for- except like three years, he lived in Baltimore. 82.5307 67 DCB_int_01 82.5307 (pause 0.39) 82.9224 68 DCB_int_01 82.9224 Or you know, so most people- 84.4658 69 DCB_int_01 84.4658 (pause 0.29) 84.7596 70 DCB_int_01 84.7596 I had one lady, she lived all her life, and then she 86.8299 71 DCB_int_01 86.8299 (pause 0.18) 87.0118 72 DCB_int_01 87.0118 left to go to college and she- 88.1717 73 DCB_int_01 88.1717 (pause 0.19) 88.3628 74 DCB_int_01 88.3628 After six months, she came back and then she went to UDC. So 90.9974 75 DCB_int_01 90.9974 (pause 0.82) 91.8134 76 DCB_int_01 91.8134 e- It's- 92.6107 77 DCB_int_01 92.6107 (pause 0.28) 92.8859 78 DCB_int_01 92.8859 I've gotten some luck- I've gotten lucky with some, but sometimes you don't see a lot that 96.7829 79 DCB_int_01 96.7829 (pause 0.13) 96.9134 80 DCB_int_01 96.9134 done everything- 97.9579 81 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 98.1818 Right here. 98.7273 82 DCB_int_01 98.7879 Mm-hm. 99.1330 83 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 99.1050 Yeah. 99.5293 84 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 99.7858 Yeah, yeah. This is home. Um, 102.1738 85 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 102.1738 (pause 1.20) 103.3751 86 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 103.3751 my mom is not originally from DC, but my dad [is.] 106.2480 87 DCB_int_01 106.0271 [Okay], where's- Okay, that's a good- Where's mom from? 107.9156 88 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 108.1394 My mother is from Augusta, Georgia. 109.6595 89 DCB_int_01 110.0139 Oh! 110.6714 90 DCB_int_01 110.6714 (pause 0.11) 110.7786 91 DCB_int_01 110.7786 I lived there for a few months. 112.1670 92 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 112.5167 Uh-huh. 113.0343 93 DCB_int_01 113.5845 And dad is from DC? 114.7223 94 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 114.8622 My father's from DC. My mother came to DC when she was thirteen and never went back. 119.5099 95 DCB_int_01 120.1487 So she's kind of from DC. 121.3797 96 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 121.5103 No. She is not [kind of- That's not considered] [DC.] 124.3873 97 DCB_int_01 122.4056 [She's not- Do-] 123.9210 98 DCB_int_01 123.9210 (pause 0.30) 124.2183 99 DCB_int_01 124.2183 [That's] not from [DC?] 125.1555 100 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 124.9783 [No.] You're not- When you not- You [have got] to- 126.9974 101 DCB_int_01 126.2746 [You didn't-] 126.5591 102 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 127.3891 Well at one time when I was coming up, m- 129.4221 103 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 129.4221 (pause 0.14) 129.5666 104 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 129.5666 around the time, they would say 131.0156 105 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 131.0156 (pause 0.33) 131.3420 106 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 131.3420 you would have to have been at least 133.5010 107 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 133.5010 (pause 0.38) 133.8787 108 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 133.8787 minimum the second generation, if not the third. 136.4514 109 DCB_int_01 137.0669 Before you could say you were from [DC?] 138.5684 110 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 138.3119 [Mm-hm.] 138.7642 111 DCB_int_01 138.7736 Wow. 139.0766 112 DCB_int_01 139.0766 (pause 0.27) 139.3424 113 DCB_int_01 139.3424 And what did your m- 139.8134 114 DCB_int_01 139.8134 (pause 0.10) 139.9113 115 DCB_int_01 139.9113 fath- father do? 140.6807 116 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 141.1283 My father 142.3115 117 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 142.3115 (pause 0.13) 142.4421 118 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 142.4421 uh, 142.9177 119 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 142.9177 (pause 0.27) 143.1835 120 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 143.1835 I think initially 144.4845 121 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 144.4845 (pause 0.24) 144.7223 122 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 144.7223 uh, what I recall most- I didn't 146.4615 123 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 146.4615 (pause 0.28) 146.7366 124 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 146.7366 live with my dad. 147.5853 125 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 147.5853 (pause 0.20) 147.7858 126 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 147.7858 My mom and dad were not married. 149.3887 127 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 149.3887 (pause 0.44) 149.8317 128 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 149.8317 Uh, my father remarried and left DC, 151.9393 129 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 151.9393 (pause 0.45) 152.3869 130 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 152.3869 but what I recall- What I think he did was 155.3887 131 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 155.3887 (pause 1.69) 157.0813 132 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 157.0813 nothing important, uh, um, that they would c- consider- It was an honest living. 161.2161 133 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 161.2161 (pause 0.48) 161.6925 134 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 161.6925 Um, I think he worked 163.3152 135 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 163.3152 (pause 2.19) 165.5009 136 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 165.5009 for a laundry 166.3169 137 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 166.3169 (pause 0.48) 166.7972 138 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 166.7972 [or something], driving a truck or something. 168.7510 139 DCB_int_01 166.8718 [Hm.] 167.1330 140 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 169.3432 And I think um, he was fortunate enough to 172.4242 141 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 172.4242 (pause 0.59) 173.0117 142 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 173.0117 um, get a government job, 174.6624 143 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 174.6624 (pause 0.66) 175.3199 144 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 175.3199 and he lived in New York the rest of his life. 177.9579 145 DCB_int_01 178.3309 Gotcha. And where- What about mom? 179.7391 146 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 180.0422 My mom stayed here in DC until, 182.3224 147 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 182.3224 (pause 0.21) 182.5287 148 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 182.5287 you know, /um, her demise/. 183.9929 149 DCB_int_01 183.9885 And what did she do? 184.6926 150 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 185.0097 My mom did- 185.8910 151 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 185.8910 (pause 0.85) 186.7432 152 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 186.7432 She was The Help. 187.7643 153 DCB_int_01 188.0581 She- 188.3192 154 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 189.0979 My mom was The Help. 190.2263 155 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 190.2263 (pause 0.51) 190.7346 156 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 190.7346 I hate that movie cause that remind me so much of my mother 194.1143 157 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 194.1143 (pause 0.32) 194.4311 158 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 194.4311 and [so] much pain she endured. 196.4641 159 DCB_int_01 194.5477 [/Mm/.] 194.7762 160 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 196.8885 Uh, she cleaned up the- Cleared people's homes. 199.5918 161 DCB_int_01 200.6689 And how- 201.0280 162 DCB_int_01 201.0280 (pause 0.35) 201.3730 163 DCB_int_01 201.3730 Now because that was- So that was like the [forties and] fifti- [That was-] 205.4006 164 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 204.0437 [That was in-] 204.5846 165 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 204.5846 (pause 0.43) 205.0183 166 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 205.0183 [That was the] [fifties.] That was definitely the fifties. I was born in fifty seven. She did it up until- 210.3153 167 DCB_int_01 205.6105 [fifties.] 206.1467 168 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 210.6219 I wanna say she did it up until 212.4218 169 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 212.4218 (pause 0.35) 212.7715 170 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 212.7715 early sixties, and then she did 214.7253 171 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 214.7253 (pause 0.53) 215.2522 172 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 215.2522 always sometime type of maintenance work. 217.2887 173 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 217.2887 (pause 0.39) 217.6757 174 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 217.6757 Um, she went from cleaning people's homes to 220.7159 175 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 220.7159 (pause 0.41) 221.1263 176 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 221.1263 cleaning um, buildings. 223.1302 177 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 223.1302 (pause 0.11) 223.2374 178 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 223.2374 You know, um, 224.2073 179 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 224.2073 (pause 0.50) 224.7109 180 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 224.7109 apartment buildings where people would leave out and- 227.2195 181 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 227.2195 (pause 0.38) 227.6019 182 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 227.6019 and so sh- 228.1708 183 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 228.1708 (pause 0.21) 228.3794 184 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 228.3794 a group of people would come in and clean it but it was owned by a company. 231.5595 185 DCB_int_01 232.0352 So, 232.4362 186 DCB_int_01 232.4362 (pause 0.63) 233.0657 187 DCB_int_01 233.0657 do you- do you remember your mom either telling you a lot of stories? Or do you remember like, 237.1352 188 DCB_int_01 237.1352 (pause 0.22) 237.3544 189 DCB_int_01 237.3544 seeing your mom, especially because racial tensions in the city 239.9691 190 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 240.0577 [Mm-hm.] 240.4447 191 DCB_int_01 240.2722 [at] that point- even now, 241.3447 192 DCB_int_01 241.6431 but I think 242.0348 193 DCB_int_01 242.0348 (pause 0.38) 242.4125 194 DCB_int_01 242.4125 especially as we are getting to the Civil Rights era, 245.0050 195 DCB_int_01 245.0050 (pause 0.61) 245.6112 196 DCB_int_01 245.6112 how do you feel like, with her being 247.7457 197 DCB_int_01 247.7457 (pause 0.19) 247.9322 198 DCB_int_01 247.9322 The Help as you- 248.6083 199 DCB_int_01 248.6083 (pause 0.17) 248.7762 200 DCB_int_01 248.7762 as you said 249.4710 201 DCB_int_01 249.4710 (pause 0.39) 249.8626 202 DCB_int_01 249.8626 that- 250.0771 203 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 250.1564 I had a lot of resentment, 251.4294 204 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 251.4294 (pause 0.24) 251.6718 205 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 251.6718 a lot- Cause they didn't treat her right. 253.3866 206 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 253.3866 (pause 0.12) 253.5079 207 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 253.5079 They didn't treat her well. Um, 255.2285 208 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 255.2285 (pause 0.16) 255.3870 209 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 255.3870 you know, they would give her 256.6973 210 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 256.6973 (pause 0.57) 257.2662 211 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 257.2662 food that they, you know 258.6732 212 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 258.6732 (pause 1.21) 259.8856 213 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 259.8856 didn't wanna waste, what they called not wanting to waste, and would bring home. 263.4900 214 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 263.4900 (pause 0.63) 264.1241 215 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 264.1241 And um, 265.5778 216 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 265.5778 (pause 1.55) 267.1306 217 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 267.1306 you know, I grew up in the six- You know, I came up 269.3874 218 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 269.3874 (pause 0.50) 269.8910 219 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 269.8910 when um, the M- 271.1255 220 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 271.1255 (pause 0.19) 271.3120 221 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 271.3120 the March on Washington happened, and we lived at Fifth and P. 274.3382 222 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 274.3382 (pause 0.70) 275.0377 223 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 275.0377 And I can remember my mother- When Martin was killed, my mother was saying, 278.5244 224 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 278.5244 (pause 0.85) 279.3730 225 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 279.3730 I just got to be there. I just - 281.0983 226 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 281.0983 (pause 0.52) 281.6159 227 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 281.6159 // 281.8770 228 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 281.8770 (pause 0.14) 282.0122 229 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 282.0122 I don't think she had any political 283.7317 230 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 283.7317 (pause 0.49) 284.2213 231 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 284.2213 // 284.4218 232 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 284.4218 (pause 1.13) 285.5502 233 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 285.5502 you know um, 286.3616 234 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 286.3616 (pause 0.54) 286.9025 235 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 286.9025 s- stake in anything. I think she just felt she needed to be there. She took it very hard, 291.2984 236 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 291.2984 (pause 0.49) 291.7927 237 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 291.7927 I can remember. 292.6134 238 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 292.6134 (pause 0.47) 293.0843 239 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 293.0843 Um, 293.6066 240 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 293.6066 (pause 0.54) 294.1463 241 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 294.1463 we- She took her children down to the Martin uh- to the monument. 297.8859 242 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 297.8859 (pause 0.56) 298.4502 243 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 298.4502 We walked, 299.1589 244 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 299.1589 (pause 0.53) 299.6905 245 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 299.6905 you know. That's how close we were, really. 301.4006 246 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 301.4006 (pause 0.35) 301.7550 247 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 301.7550 Cause when you live on Fifth and P, 303.1492 248 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 303.1492 (pause 0.39) 303.5409 249 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 303.5409 it's nothing keeping you from anything but New York Avenue, so [we walked] a lot. 307.5312 250 DCB_int_01 306.5566 [Mm-hm.] 307.0929 251 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 307.9788 So often as a child growing up, 309.9186 252 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 309.9186 (pause 0.48) 310.3942 253 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 310.3942 we played, 311.1263 254 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 311.1263 (pause 0.10) 311.2289 255 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 311.2289 walked downtown and 312.7478 256 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 312.7478 (pause 0.27) 313.0136 257 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 313.0136 walked up and down the monument steps 314.8321 258 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 314.8321 (pause 0.36) 315.1912 259 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 315.1912 on a number of occasions. Uh, that was what we did with our pass time. 318.3573 260 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 318.3573 (pause 0.49) 318.8457 261 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 318.8457 We would get up in the morning, do our chores, and 321.0653 262 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 321.0653 (pause 1.01) 322.0771 263 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 322.0771 she never said, where you going? Whatchu gonna do? Just stay out of trouble. 325.2654 264 DCB_int_01 325.7224 And that was your neighborhood- 327.0000 265 DCB_int_01 327.0000 (pause 0.44) 327.4430 266 DCB_int_01 327.4430 Think about back then. Were you- 329.3501 267 DCB_int_01 329.3501 (pause 0.51) 329.8584 268 DCB_int_01 329.8584 First of all, are you a only child or do you have siblings? 331.6804 269 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 331.6244 I have a sibling. I have two s- 333.1585 270 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 333.2891 ts- two deceased siblings. I have an older sister who's deceased, 336.3561 271 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 336.3561 (pause 0.51) 336.8691 272 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 336.8691 and I have a younger brother who's deceased. So I'm what they call the middle [child, the knee] baby. [But my mo-] 341.9411 273 DCB_int_01 340.6786 [Mm.] 341.0190 274 DCB_int_01 341.0190 (pause 0.50) 341.5168 275 DCB_int_01 341.5168 [The knee] baby. 342.3188 276 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 342.3002 The knee baby, that's what they called you. The knee baby. So I was the one that kind of 345.9979 277 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 346.2916 balanced everything out. Um, 348.5718 278 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 348.5718 (pause 0.84) 349.4146 279 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 349.4146 I was the one that- 350.5057 280 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 350.5057 (pause 0.98) 351.4849 281 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 351.4849 Not knowing then, 352.7579 282 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 352.7579 (pause 0.18) 352.9398 283 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 352.9398 um, 353.3314 284 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 353.3314 (pause 1.05) 354.3794 285 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 354.3794 my mother always said had the level head, 356.2819 286 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 356.2819 (pause 0.27) 356.5524 287 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 356.5524 you [know, more] or less, so. 358.1098 288 DCB_int_01 356.8135 [Mm.] 357.1865 289 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 358.5574 Um, I wasn't shy 359.8304 290 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 359.8304 (pause 0.30) 360.1323 291 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 360.1323 um, or anything like that. I just did it. 362.3519 292 DCB_int_01 362.8042 So in your neighborhood- Okay, so did y'all play together? 364.8465 293 DCB_int_01 364.8465 (pause 0.09) 364.9351 294 DCB_int_01 364.9351 Were [y'all close in age] enough that y'all played together, and [were there a lot of other kids?] 368.8554 295 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 365.0517 [Oh, y-] 365.8490 296 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 365.8490 (pause 1.32) 367.1675 297 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 367.1675 [Yeah, we played when we were younger.] We played together- younger. We played with the neighborhood kids til the street lights came [on.] 373.2840 298 DCB_int_01 373.0835 [Mm.] 373.2747 299 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 373.7643 Um, [/unintelligible/-] 374.9674 300 DCB_int_01 374.2586 [I hear that a lot.] 374.9301 301 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 375.1539 Right. 375.4523 302 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 375.4523 (pause 0.19) 375.6435 303 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 375.6435 Growing up on- going to /RD-NAME-5/ Elementary School for me, 378.6965 304 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 378.6965 (pause 0.35) 379.0416 305 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 379.0416 I only had to cross one street, 380.3845 306 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 380.3845 (pause 0.37) 380.7529 307 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 380.7529 so my mother never had to walk us to school. She'd just say, go to school. 384.2221 308 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 384.2221 (pause 0.68) 384.9064 309 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 384.9064 And so there was a corner store where we bought our penny candy. 387.8999 310 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 387.8999 (pause 0.64) 388.5434 311 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 388.5434 And we played in neighborhood 389.8817 312 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 389.8817 (pause 0.13) 390.0122 313 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 390.0122 from sun up to sun down, and 391.4566 314 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 391.4566 (pause 0.10) 391.5545 315 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 391.5545 you know, we went out of the neighborhood. 393.0420 316 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 393.0420 (pause 0.43) 393.4756 317 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 393.4756 We were never afraid. 394.9211 318 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 394.9211 (pause 0.42) 395.3408 319 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 395.3408 Uh, back then it was um- 396.8038 320 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 396.8038 (pause 0.56) 397.3633 321 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 397.3633 at um- 398.0907 322 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 398.0907 (pause 0.59) 398.6829 323 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 398.6829 Between O and P and Seventh Street, 400.7672 324 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 400.7672 (pause 0.35) 401.1123 325 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 401.1123 was the Kennedy Playground, 402.6091 326 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 402.6091 (pause 0.62) 403.2281 327 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 403.2281 and it was named after the Kennedys. And we played on that playground, 406.7859 328 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 406.7859 (pause 0.23) 407.0190 329 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 407.0190 and we- 407.6812 330 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 407.6812 (pause 0.50) 408.1836 331 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 408.1836 The um, 408.7478 332 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 408.7478 (pause 0.80) 409.5452 333 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 409.5452 409.6617 334 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 409.6617 (pause 0.14) 409.7970 335 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 409.7970 fire department would come d- around, and cut the water on when it was real hot, 413.2335 336 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 413.2335 (pause 0.39) 413.6205 337 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 413.6205 so we played in the water. 414.7570 338 DCB_int_01 414.9483 Mm. 415.1815 339 DCB_int_01 415.1815 (pause 0.60) 415.7833 340 DCB_int_01 415.7833 /I'm not sure what that is/ 416.9767 341 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 416.9720 Uh, we played in the water. Um, 419.1403 342 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 420.1008 um, 420.4878 343 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 420.4878 (pause 1.27) 421.7550 344 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 421.7550 all the time. We just played outside all the time. 424.0771 345 DCB_int_01 424.3289 Do you remember a time when 425.9470 346 DCB_int_01 425.9470 (pause 0.22) 426.1650 347 DCB_int_01 426.1650 you felt like the neighborhood shifted? 427.9602 348 DCB_int_01 427.9602 (pause 0.29) 428.2493 349 DCB_int_01 428.2493 Or had you moved out by then? 429.8673 350 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 430.5705 I didn't really start to really feel that until I was um, 436.2870 351 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 436.2870 (pause 0.69) 436.9817 352 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 436.9817 and adult. 437.4702 353 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 437.4702 (pause 0.14) 437.6054 354 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 437.6054 I never saw that. I mean, everybody had their own neighborhood. 440.5710 355 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 440.5710 (pause 0.44) 441.0093 356 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 441.0093 We didn't have- You know it was always a sprinkle 443.3501 357 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 443.3501 (pause 0.70) 444.0530 358 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 444.0530 of- of- of white people living in- somewhere, but they didn't 447.5222 359 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 447.5222 (pause 0.54) 448.0631 360 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 448.0631 mingle, 448.5807 361 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 448.5807 (pause 0.15) 448.7299 362 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 448.7299 intermingle with us. They didn't engage with us. Um, 451.7177 363 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 451.7177 (pause 0.50) 452.2166 364 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 452.2166 they weren't rude or anything. Um, it's just like, they said, you know, you didn't bother them. They didn't bother [us.] 457.2607 365 DCB_int_01 456.4896 [Bother you. Mm-hm.] 457.3866 366 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 457.8529 Um, of course you had white teachers back then. 460.3662 367 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 460.3662 (pause 0.57) 460.9351 368 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 460.9351 Um, 461.4573 369 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 461.4573 (pause 0.86) 462.3142 370 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 462.3142 I didn't have white teachers in elementary school. I had white teachers in high school. I went to c- c- 466.7253 371 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 466.7253 (pause 0.45) 467.1776 372 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 467.1776 /RD-SCHOOL-3/ High School. 468.3200 373 DCB_int_01 468.3515 Mm-hm. 468.7478 374 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 469.1255 And um, 470.4078 375 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 470.4078 (pause 0.57) 470.9813 376 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 470.9813 as a matter of fact, 471.9839 377 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 471.9839 (pause 0.16) 472.1424 378 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 472.1424 one of the teachers who influenced me the most was white. Her name was Miss /RD-NAME-3/. 475.7317 379 DCB_int_01 476.0907 And how did- What did- What did she do? 477.4476 380 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 477.7740 She was a hippie. 478.5481 381 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 478.5481 (pause 0.46) 479.0050 382 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 479.0050 She drove a- She /wolk/- She drove a Volkswagen bus, 481.8529 383 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 481.8529 (pause 0.64) 482.4964 384 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 482.4964 and see, by the time I got to high school, 484.4129 385 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 484.4129 (pause 1.00) 485.4154 386 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 485.4154 I was married 486.1929 387 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 486.1929 (pause 0.83) 487.0276 388 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 487.0276 with two children. 487.8110 389 DCB_int_01 488.6176 Oh! 488.7948 390 DCB_int_01 488.7948 (pause 0.25) 489.0420 391 DCB_int_01 489.0420 Okay, we're gonna have to back up. [/inaudible/ That was a lot of] jump. 492.6184 392 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 490.0678 [I know. I know- I was getting ready to say, you might wanna back-] 492.1894 393 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 492.7059 Right. 493.1348 394 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 493.1348 (pause 0.23) 493.3633 395 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 493.3633 But it's not really because it's- 495.4243 396 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 495.4243 (pause 0.13) 495.5549 397 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 495.5549 it's a jump, but listen. Okay. 497.3734 398 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 497.3734 (pause 0.13) 497.5040 399 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 497.5040 Let me tell you my story. My story consist of 499.8669 400 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 499.8669 (pause 0.37) 500.2353 401 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 500.2353 there were three children. My mother was a single mother. 502.6973 402 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 502.6973 (pause 0.77) 503.4667 403 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 503.4667 Um, all three of us had three different fathers. 505.9928 404 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 505.9928 (pause 0.78) 506.7715 405 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 506.7715 Um, 507.4570 406 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 507.4570 (pause 1.08) 508.5388 407 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 508.5388 we moved, 509.3175 408 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 509.3175 (pause 0.28) 509.6019 409 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 509.6019 you know, um- 510.6639 410 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 510.6639 (pause 0.73) 511.3913 411 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 511.3913 We never lived in public housing. 513.1819 412 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 513.1819 (pause 0.60) 513.7834 413 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 513.7834 Um, we always kind of 515.3967 414 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 515.3967 (pause 0.67) 516.0624 415 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 516.0624 were able to maintain. 517.5452 416 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 517.5452 (pause 0.42) 517.9648 417 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 517.9648 My stepfather worked for /RD-WORK-5/. 520.5807 418 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 520.5807 (pause 0.40) 520.9817 419 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 520.9817 We were the first kids in the neighborhood to have a television, 523.5452 420 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 523.5452 (pause 0.41) 523.9508 421 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 523.9508 walkie talkies and things like that. 525.6481 422 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 525.6481 (pause 0.24) 525.8906 423 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 525.8906 As a matter of fact, we was one of the first to have a telephone, 528.0635 424 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 528.0635 (pause 1.44) 529.4985 425 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 529.4985 you know. And 530.7762 426 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 530.7762 (pause 0.28) 531.0513 427 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 531.0513 so we lived /din/- lived downtown DC for a long time. 534.9297 428 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 534.9297 (pause 0.55) 535.4799 429 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 535.4799 Um, 536.0581 430 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 536.0581 (pause 0.80) 536.8601 431 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 536.8601 as I got to junior high school, 538.8698 432 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 538.8698 (pause 0.49) 539.3641 433 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 539.3641 things started to change for me. 540.9950 434 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 540.9950 (pause 0.75) 541.7457 435 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 541.7457 Um, 542.3239 436 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 542.3239 (pause 0.38) 542.7062 437 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 542.7062 the family dynamic started to changed. 544.8652 438 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 544.8652 (pause 0.68) 545.5413 439 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 545.5413 And um, 546.7991 440 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 546.7991 (pause 0.91) 547.7084 441 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 547.7084 you tryna come into who you are. 549.2471 442 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 549.2471 (pause 0.12) 549.3637 443 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 549.3637 Who [are y- Who] am I? What am I? What am I gonna do? What am I gonna be? 552.7245 444 DCB_int_01 549.7134 [Hm.] 549.9186 445 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 553.3680 But a lot of stuff was going on. The riots came and 556.4082 446 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 556.4082 (pause 0.47) 556.8745 447 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 556.8745 people were out of work and um, 559.2607 448 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 559.2607 (pause 0.94) 560.2026 449 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 560.2026 there was no vision. 561.1306 450 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 561.1306 (pause 0.89) 562.0212 451 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 562.0212 It was nobody telling you that you could go to college. There was nobody telling you 566.0208 452 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 566.0208 (pause 0.55) 566.5710 453 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 566.5710 um, that you could do more than what you were doing. 568.7393 454 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 568.7393 (pause 0.67) 569.4107 455 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 569.4107 There were a lot of people telling you, [you know-] 571.8389 456 DCB_int_01 571.1955 [ I'm just gonna unclip this.] I think it will be easier for you.] 573.5641 457 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 573.5641 Okay. 574.1774 458 DCB_int_01 574.5613 That way you don't have to- 575.4688 459 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 576.1370 [I think there were a lot of] 577.1162 460 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 577.1162 (pause 0.92) 578.0348 461 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 578.0348 folks 578.4638 462 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 578.4638 (pause 0.18) 578.6410 463 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 578.6410 who 579.1679 464 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 579.1679 (pause 1.20) 580.3662 465 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 580.3662 were just making it. 581.2009 466 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 581.2009 (pause 0.66) 581.8619 467 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 581.8619 You know, um, a lot of people lost their jobs. 584.6922 468 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 584.6922 (pause 0.74) 585.4336 469 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 585.4336 The neighbors helped each other, 586.9911 470 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 586.9911 (pause 0.13) 587.1170 471 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 587.1170 you know. Nobody went hungry. 588.6825 472 DCB_int_01 588.8364 Mm-hm. 589.2654 473 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 589.3260 Um, nobody 590.5943 474 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 590.5943 (pause 0.49) 591.0839 475 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 591.0839 f- furniture and stuff was set outdoors, you know, because people took it in. 594.9203 476 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 594.9203 (pause 0.30) 595.2234 477 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 595.2234 People cared about people then. 596.5943 478 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 596.5943 (pause 0.53) 597.1259 479 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 597.1259 You know, it wasn't a shame for that 598.7486 480 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 598.7486 (pause 0.13) 598.8745 481 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 598.8745 to happen. 599.4900 482 DCB_int_01 599.7779 Right. 600.1416 483 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 600.4074 Um, 601.0929 484 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 601.0929 (pause 1.15) 602.2446 485 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 602.2446 and 602.8881 486 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 602.8881 (pause 0.20) 603.0886 487 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 603.0886 somehow, I became 604.8791 488 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 604.8791 (pause 1.64) 606.5240 489 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 606.5240 a major 607.4566 490 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 607.4566 (pause 0.21) 607.6711 491 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 607.6711 role in my family, somehow. 609.6901 492 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 609.6901 (pause 0.54) 610.2263 493 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 610.2263 My mom 611.0517 494 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 611.0517 (pause 0.80) 611.8537 495 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 611.8537 started drinking. She had a 613.4752 496 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 613.4752 (pause 1.06) 614.5337 497 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 614.5337 tumultuous relationship with my fath- stepfather. 617.6532 498 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 617.6532 (pause 0.56) 618.2162 499 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 618.2162 Um, as children, you know, you had a place. You didn't inter- You know, you didn't intervene. 622.1284 500 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 622.1284 (pause 0.79) 622.9164 501 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 622.9164 And so with that going on, you kind of get lost in the shuffle I think. 626.3285 502 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 626.3285 (pause 0.63) 626.9580 503 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 626.9580 And in 627.5036 504 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 627.5036 (pause 0.39) 627.8906 505 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 627.8906 getting lost, 628.8978 506 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 628.8978 (pause 0.76) 629.6625 507 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 629.6625 I found my 630.4552 508 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 630.4552 (pause 1.06) 631.5172 509 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 631.5172 partner, 631.9788 510 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 631.9788 (pause 0.57) 632.5477 511 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 632.5477 which was 633.3497 512 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 633.3497 (pause 0.83) 634.1750 513 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 634.1750 young man I married. 635.2382 514 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 635.2382 (pause 0.17) 635.4061 515 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 635.4061 He was my first love and only love. 637.2747 516 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 637.2747 (pause 0.34) 637.6151 517 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 637.6151 We were kids. 638.4265 518 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 638.4265 (pause 0.28) 638.7016 519 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 638.7016 I was thirteen when I met him. 640.0585 520 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 640.0585 (pause 0.53) 640.5900 521 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 640.5900 We were in junior high school, and 642.0962 522 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 642.0962 (pause 0.37) 642.4634 523 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 642.4634 we had moved from Fifth Street 644.0954 524 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 644.0954 (pause 0.47) 644.5617 525 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 644.5617 to Sixteenth Street. Oh, we were moving up [then.] 647.0470 526 DCB_int_01 646.6460 [Mm.] 647.3781 527 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 647.5040 We lived at /RD-ADDRESS-8/, 649.9742 528 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 649.9742 (pause 0.27) 650.2399 529 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 650.2399 and at that point, 651.2331 530 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 651.2331 (pause 0.32) 651.5549 531 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 651.5549 they had built a brand new /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Junior High School. 654.3480 532 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 654.3480 (pause 0.46) 654.8038 533 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 654.8038 So I transferred from /RD-SCHOOL-1/ Junior High going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 657.5829 534 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 657.5829 (pause 1.82) 659.4014 535 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 659.4014 And 660.0216 536 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 660.0216 (pause 0.19) 660.2069 537 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 660.2069 going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, I met my husband. He was a basketball player, 663.6015 538 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 663.6015 (pause 0.25) 663.8486 539 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 663.8486 you know, and 664.7579 540 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 664.7579 (pause 0.51) 665.2708 541 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 665.2708 other things were going on, and I realized I wanted to do other things, and 668.7249 542 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 668.7249 (pause 0.64) 669.3684 543 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 669.3684 um, 669.8859 544 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 669.8859 (pause 0.27) 670.1564 545 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 670.1564 my mother was kind of going through something at that time. 672.9250 546 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 672.9250 (pause 0.74) 673.6617 547 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 673.6617 Um, I'm not sure how much you wanna know. 675.3171 548 DCB_int_01 675.9186 You tell- I'm- 676.7159 549 DCB_int_01 676.7159 (pause 0.18) 676.8931 550 DCB_int_01 676.8931 I'm [enjoying] it. 677.7418 551 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 677.1822 [Oh.] 677.5972 552 DCB_int_01 678.0868 [So as much] as you wanna share. 679.5498 553 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 678.0903 [Oh.] 678.5333 554 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 679.6664 Okay, so, 680.6223 555 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 680.6223 (pause 0.53) 681.1492 556 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 681.1492 um, 681.6668 557 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 681.6668 (pause 1.05) 682.7159 558 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 682.7159 we all th- 683.1543 559 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 683.1543 (pause 0.19) 683.3454 560 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 683.3454 all three of us kind of went our- We k- started 685.4239 561 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 685.4239 (pause 0.25) 685.6757 562 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 685.6757 kind of being on our own a lot 687.1271 563 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 687.1271 (pause 0.10) 687.2285 564 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 687.2285 when we became teenagers because 689.3874 565 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 689.3874 (pause 0.60) 689.9843 566 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 689.9843 my mother was in another world. She became an alcoholic. 692.7622 567 DCB_int_01 692.8321 Mm-hm. 693.1166 568 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 693.6342 And so we were kind of raising ourselves to a- some degree- Not really, she paid o- 697.9788 569 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 697.9788 (pause 0.14) 698.1234 570 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 698.1234 She made- We always had food to eat. 699.6715 571 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 699.6715 (pause 0.11) 699.7834 572 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 699.7834 We never went without food. 700.9444 573 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 700.9444 (pause 0.30) 701.2429 574 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 701.2429 We never went without a roof over our head. 702.9856 575 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 702.9856 (pause 0.59) 703.5778 576 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 703.5778 Um, and we never went without clothes on our back. 705.9093 577 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 705.9093 (pause 0.83) 706.7393 578 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 706.7393 They may not have been the latest fashions, but we 709.1255 579 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 709.1255 (pause 0.32) 709.4473 580 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 709.4473 were never without food. 710.8974 581 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 710.8974 (pause 0.48) 711.3824 582 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 711.3824 Um, we always had a spiritual foundation. 713.9703 583 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 713.9703 (pause 0.89) 714.8597 584 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 714.8597 She wasn't the most religious person, but she certainly believed in Jesus Christ and believed in 719.2941 585 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 719.2941 (pause 0.26) 719.5506 586 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 719.5506 worshiping. 720.3013 587 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 720.3013 (pause 1.32) 721.6198 588 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 721.6198 And so 722.6176 589 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 722.6176 (pause 0.38) 723.0000 590 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 723.0000 from 723.5968 591 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 723.5968 (pause 0.90) 724.4968 592 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 724.4968 junior high school, my- that's when my life started. 727.1721 593 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 727.1721 (pause 0.10) 727.2701 594 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 727.2701 Um, 727.7457 595 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 727.7457 (pause 0.18) 727.9275 596 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 727.9275 by that time, 728.6969 597 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 728.6969 (pause 0.40) 729.0979 598 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 729.0979 my sister had already gotten pregnant. 730.8605 599 DCB_int_01 731.6765 And how old is your older sister- How many years are y'all apart? 733.9648 600 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 734.3658 My sister got pregnant when she was twelve. She's two years older. 737.0237 601 DCB_int_01 737.4667 Oh, gotcha. Okay. 738.1614 602 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 738.6033 So, back then, 739.8156 603 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 739.8156 (pause 0.20) 740.0115 604 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 740.0115 there was no abortions. 741.3544 605 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 741.3544 (pause 0.10) 741.4570 606 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 741.4570 [Back then], my mother came from the south, where 744.3293 607 DCB_int_01 741.5595 [Mm.] 741.9839 608 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 745.0509 it wasn't frowned upon. It wasn't a- 747.2611 609 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 747.2611 (pause 0.18) 747.4430 610 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 747.4430 the best situation, 748.6320 611 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 748.6320 (pause 0.55) 749.1822 612 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 749.1822 but she didn't believe in the- giving a child up, and 752.0197 613 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 752.0197 (pause 0.38) 752.3985 614 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 752.3985 so my mother 753.2285 615 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 753.2285 (pause 0.15) 753.3824 616 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 753.3824 raised my 754.0491 617 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 754.0491 (pause 0.47) 754.5154 618 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 754.5154 niece 755.1030 619 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 755.1030 (pause 0.11) 755.2102 620 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 755.2102 almost like her own. 756.3142 621 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 756.3142 (pause 0.51) 756.8271 622 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 756.8271 You know, but for somehow, my sister just never got back on track. 760.7253 623 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 760.7253 (pause 0.61) 761.3314 624 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 761.3314 She never got back on track. She kind of just kind of floated through a little bit. 765.3590 625 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 765.3590 (pause 0.67) 766.0258 626 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 766.0258 Um, 766.5900 627 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 766.5900 (pause 0.48) 767.0703 628 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 767.0703 I- I guess I was the one who always 769.2141 629 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 769.2141 (pause 0.66) 769.8716 630 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 769.8716 wanted more than what we had, so consequently 772.9724 631 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 772.9724 (pause 0.68) 773.6485 632 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 773.6485 um, 774.1941 633 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 774.1941 (pause 0.42) 774.6173 634 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 774.6173 I was always looking for an out. 775.9835 635 DCB_int_01 776.2959 Mm. 776.5477 636 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 776.5384 Always looking for an out. 777.9745 637 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 778.8045 And so my stepfather and I did not get along 781.2437 638 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 781.2437 (pause 0.16) 781.4078 639 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 781.4078 at all. 781.8928 640 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 781.8928 (pause 0.44) 782.3311 641 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 782.3311 I think we re- resented each other. I resented him because 784.9458 642 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 784.9458 (pause 0.72) 785.6639 643 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 785.6639 he didn't treat my mother nicely, and he resented me cause I had a mouth. 789.3849 644 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 789.3849 (pause 0.45) 789.8360 645 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 789.8360 I was pretty [mouthy.] 790.8254 646 DCB_int_01 790.4142 [So you] was- gonna say something. 791.6872 647 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 791.7805 I did, 792.1721 648 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 792.1721 (pause 0.62) 792.7923 649 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 792.7923 as a child. 793.5943 650 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 793.5943 (pause 0.22) 793.8182 651 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 793.8182 I always said something. And he told my mother I was the- 796.2837 652 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 796.2837 (pause 0.35) 796.6287 653 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 796.6287 I was the meanest little child he had ever seen. 798.6151 654 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 798.6151 (pause 0.30) 798.9136 655 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 798.9136 And 799.4125 656 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 799.4125 (pause 0.59) 800.0047 657 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 800.0047 I think 800.6062 658 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 800.6062 (pause 0.19) 800.7915 659 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 800.7915 then 801.5096 660 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 801.5096 (pause 0.46) 801.9666 661 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 801.9666 me speaking up gave my mother some support. Cause she never spoke up. 805.2539 662 DCB_int_01 805.2726 Mm. 805.5151 663 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 806.2145 I spoke up. 806.9967 664 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 806.9967 (pause 0.09) 807.0900 665 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 807.0900 I'm like, 807.6915 666 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 807.6915 (pause 0.48) 808.1671 667 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 808.1671 really? 808.5821 668 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 808.5821 (pause 0.65) 809.2302 669 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 809.2302 You- You don't have to take that from him. He's not your- you know, 811.6456 670 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 811.6456 (pause 0.29) 811.9347 671 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 811.9347 he doesn't- 812.4383 672 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 812.4383 (pause 0.22) 812.6575 673 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 812.6575 shouldn't treat you like that, and he's certainly not my father. 814.9831 674 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 814.9831 (pause 0.74) 815.7245 675 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 815.7245 Whatever that meant as a child, but 818.2052 676 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 818.2052 (pause 0.82) 819.0247 677 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 819.0247 somehow I took on- 820.7453 678 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 820.7453 (pause 0.25) 820.9924 679 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 820.9924 become an adult 821.8597 680 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 821.8597 (pause 0.14) 821.9996 681 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 821.9996 right then and there at thirteen. 823.4218 682 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 823.4218 (pause 1.00) 824.4243 683 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 824.4243 I became an adult. 825.3149 684 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 825.3149 (pause 0.96) 826.2790 685 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 826.2790 Um, I met my children's father at that time, and 829.6876 686 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 829.6876 (pause 0.58) 830.2658 687 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 830.2658 I was in eight grade, and 832.3163 688 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 832.3163 (pause 0.32) 832.6381 689 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 832.6381 he was in 833.5613 690 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 833.5613 (pause 0.14) 833.6965 691 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 833.6965 ninth grade. And 835.0068 692 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 835.0068 (pause 0.58) 835.5897 693 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 835.5897 he had a lot going on in his l- 837.1890 694 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 837.1890 (pause 1.09) 838.2837 695 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 838.2837 dish- 838.8013 696 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 838.8013 (pause 1.31) 840.1069 697 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 840.1069 ruptive life. His mother 841.9907 698 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 841.9907 (pause 0.43) 842.4197 699 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 842.4197 was ill. 843.2065 700 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 843.2065 (pause 0.57) 843.7801 701 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 843.7801 His father 844.6893 702 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 844.6893 (pause 1.30) 845.9856 703 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 845.9856 m- moved on with his life with another family, and 848.9326 704 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 848.9326 (pause 0.55) 849.4863 705 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 849.4863 it was h- 849.8640 706 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 849.8640 (pause 0.18) 850.0412 707 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 850.0412 he and his siblings tryna make it. 851.9950 708 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 851.9950 (pause 1.67) 853.6689 709 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 853.6689 And so we kind of l- 854.5316 710 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 854.5316 (pause 0.47) 855.0060 711 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 855.0060 latched [on to each other.] 856.5634 712 DCB_int_01 855.5236 [On to each other.] 856.4482 713 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 857.7665 And um, became an item. 859.6923 714 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 859.6923 (pause 0.32) 860.0093 715 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 860.0093 And we had 861.8594 716 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 861.8594 (pause 0.58) 862.4422 717 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 862.4422 /RD-NAME-3/ and /RD-NAME-2/ and 863.8737 718 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 863.8737 (pause 0.61) 864.4799 719 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 864.4799 we were married. 865.5617 720 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 865.5617 (pause 0.90) 866.4663 721 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 866.4663 And we tried to make the best of it. 868.3909 722 DCB_int_01 868.4096 So how old were you when you got married? 870.0556 723 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 870.2188 870.9182 724 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 870.9182 (pause 0.26) 871.1827 725 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 871.1827 871.3061 726 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 871.3061 (pause 0.44) 871.7447 727 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 871.7447 /RD-NAME-3/ was born in seventy two- 873.7241 728 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 873.7241 (pause 0.14) 873.8687 729 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 873.8687 nineteen sev- August tenth, nineteen seventy two. /RD-NAME-2/ was born in nineteen- 877.5430 730 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 877.5430 (pause 0.72) 878.2611 731 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 878.2611 uh, August tenth, nineteen seventy three, and we got married August tenth, nineteen seventy four. 882.7877 732 DCB_int_01 883.3612 August tenth is an important date for you. 884.7787 733 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 885.0398 Very [much so.] 885.7428 734 DCB_int_01 885.3185 [] 886.0785 735 DCB_int_01 886.4888 And- But it's good. You can remember everything in one day. 888.2654 736 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 888.2607 Oh, we [always did. Yeah.] 889.8228 737 DCB_int_01 888.6478 [You don't have to forget anything. It's all] one day. 890.3590 738 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 890.5129 So, at that- at thirteen, I became an adult. 893.1209 739 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 893.1209 (pause 0.38) 893.4960 740 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 893.4960 So I've been an adult since I was thirteen. 895.4405 741 DCB_int_01 895.8361 So did you move out? 896.7954 742 DCB_int_01 896.7954 (pause 0.20) 896.9960 743 DCB_int_01 896.9960 Or you still at [home? How- How did] that- I don't- 899.3601 744 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 897.5742 Oh, no. Of- 898.7866 745 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 899.6352 You would not believe this. Most people when I tell 'em, you know- 902.6696 746 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 902.6696 (pause 0.53) 903.2012 747 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 903.2012 very few people this story, 904.7586 748 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 904.7586 (pause 0.13) 904.8892 749 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 904.8892 I was able to get an apartment. 906.9735 750 DCB_int_01 907.7802 At thirteen. 908.3863 751 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 908.5670 At thirteen. 909.2851 752 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 909.2851 (pause 0.63) 909.9193 753 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 909.9193 The people never asked me how old I was. 912.6751 754 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 912.6751 (pause 0.74) 913.4165 755 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 913.4165 All they cared about is that I had the money. I worked at McDonald's. 916.6141 756 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 916.6141 (pause 1.33) 917.9477 757 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 917.9477 I worked at McDonald's 919.5284 758 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 919.5284 (pause 0.22) 919.7475 759 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 919.7475 on Ninth 920.3665 760 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 920.3665 (pause 0.14) 920.5018 761 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 920.5018 Street, 921.1126 762 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 921.1126 (pause 0.32) 921.4297 763 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 921.4297 Ninth and E. 922.2224 764 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 922.2224 (pause 0.96) 923.1829 765 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 923.1829 That was my first job, 924.6005 766 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 924.6005 (pause 0.20) 924.7963 767 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 924.7963 McDonald's on Ninth and E. They were building a new F- 927.3084 768 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 927.3084 (pause 0.20) 927.5090 769 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 927.5090 They were building the FBI building 929.1503 770 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 929.1503 (pause 0.35) 929.5047 771 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 929.5047 before that building was ever there on Ninth- 931.6500 772 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 931.6500 (pause 0.13) 931.7802 773 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 931.7802 Ninth and E. 932.3817 774 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 932.3817 (pause 0.94) 933.3178 775 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 933.3178 And I remember working there, 935.1596 776 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 935.1596 (pause 0.12) 935.2809 777 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 935.2809 935.6399 778 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 935.6399 (pause 0.76) 936.4046 779 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 936.4046 and 936.8849 780 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 936.8849 (pause 0.13) 937.0155 781 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 937.0155 937.2719 782 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 937.2719 (pause 0.69) 937.9667 783 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 937.9667 my husband was still in- We both were still in s- 940.2923 784 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 940.2923 (pause 0.10) 940.3902 785 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 940.3902 tryna- I was tryna get- still piece my education together. 943.2206 786 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 943.2206 (pause 0.34) 943.5564 787 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 943.5564 He was 944.0366 788 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 944.0366 (pause 0.49) 944.5251 789 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 944.5251 getting through. He was in ba- athlete, so 946.5161 790 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 946.5161 (pause 0.54) 947.0524 791 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 947.0524 you know, provisions were being made for him. 949.1180 792 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 949.1180 (pause 0.49) 949.6123 793 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 949.6123 But um, 950.7407 794 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 950.7407 (pause 1.09) 951.8354 795 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 951.8354 we 952.3436 796 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 952.3436 (pause 0.12) 952.4648 797 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 952.4648 got married. My mother signed the papers for us to get married. 955.2393 798 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 955.2393 (pause 1.36) 956.5997 799 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 956.5997 And we got married, and 958.7120 800 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 958.7120 (pause 1.19) 959.9057 801 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 959.9057 I kind of led the family 961.4165 802 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 961.4165 (pause 0.18) 961.5983 803 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 961.5983 after that. 962.1905 804 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 962.1905 (pause 0.58) 962.7676 805 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 962.7676 I became kind of the 964.0778 806 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 964.0778 (pause 0.40) 964.4742 807 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 964.4742 leader 964.9171 808 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 964.9171 (pause 0.24) 965.1596 809 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 965.1596 of the family at such a very young age. 967.3185 810 DCB_int_01 968.0133 And so while you were- I'm gonna /just put this back in front of you. Just-/ 970.8342 811 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 970.2737 [Mm-hm.] 970.5441 812 DCB_int_01 971.0114 [/I think it's me/.] 971.7108 813 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 972.3766 [Mm-hm.] 972.6486 814 DCB_int_01 972.4746 [But while] you were- 973.2673 815 DCB_int_01 973.4258 Okay. So, 974.0273 816 DCB_int_01 974.0273 (pause 0.60) 974.6277 817 DCB_int_01 974.6277 you were thirte- so seventh, eighth grade. 976.5628 818 DCB_int_01 976.5628 (pause 0.33) 976.8892 819 DCB_int_01 976.8892 Then you went to- 977.7425 820 DCB_int_01 977.7425 (pause 0.55) 978.2880 821 DCB_int_01 978.2880 Did you go to high school then? 979.9340 822 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 980.0320 Well I had a child, so I was piecing my education back- But yes, I went to high- I was able to get into high school. 986.6008 823 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 986.6008 (pause 0.71) 987.3084 824 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 987.3084 And- 988.1338 825 DCB_int_01 988.1571 And still work, and [still be] [a mom] 990.0782 826 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 989.1083 [Still-] 989.4068 827 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 989.4068 (pause 0.09) 989.4953 828 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 989.4953 [Mm-hm.] 990.1202 829 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 990.2787 [Mm-hm. /I-/] 990.7963 830 DCB_int_01 990.5911 [to two] [little] [ones.] 991.9294 831 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 991.0015 [Mm-] 991.3139 832 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 991.3139 (pause 0.38) 991.6904 833 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 991.6904 [Two] little ones. Two little ones. I was very- 993.8540 834 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 994.3902 Two little ones. I think sometime when you're young, and don't know 997.4398 835 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 997.4398 (pause 0.35) 997.7895 836 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 997.7895 all the things that are- 998.8841 837 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 998.8841 (pause 0.64) 999.5229 838 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 999.5229 You don't- You don't have to make all of these- You just do it. 1001.8544 839 DCB_int_01 1002.0176 [Mm-hm.] 1002.4139 840 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1002.1715 [You don't] have all of these um, contemplating and 1005.1732 841 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1005.6302 analyzing and all of that. 1007.5513 842 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1007.5513 (pause 0.34) 1007.8870 843 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1007.8870 You just did it. 1008.5585 844 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1008.5585 (pause 0.10) 1008.6564 845 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1008.6564 You did what you had to do. 1009.7149 846 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1009.7149 (pause 0.17) 1009.8874 847 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1009.8874 Um, one of the things my mother took pride in was never being on welfare. 1013.1270 848 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1013.1270 (pause 0.71) 1013.8357 849 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1013.8357 She said, oh we don't do welfare. So 1016.2733 850 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1016.2733 (pause 0.15) 1016.4225 851 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1016.4225 you make your bed, you got to lie in it. 1018.0312 852 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1018.0312 (pause 0.79) 1018.8192 853 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1018.8192 So we both worked 1019.7798 854 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1019.7798 (pause 0.88) 1020.6611 855 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1020.6611 We both worked, and we put our money together. 1023.4623 856 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1023.4623 (pause 0.35) 1023.8167 857 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1023.8167 My first apartment cost me 1025.8544 858 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1025.8544 (pause 1.54) 1027.3931 859 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1027.3931 eighty five dollars a month. 1028.7163 860 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1028.7163 (pause 0.63) 1029.3504 861 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1029.3504 My second apartment cost me a hundred and forty four dollars. 1032.3067 862 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1032.3067 (pause 0.60) 1032.9035 863 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1032.9035 I can remember just as clear as it was- /Making-/ 1035.0007 864 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1035.0007 (pause 0.35) 1035.3551 865 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1035.3551 We didn't have checking accounts, we used money orders. 1037.7145 866 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1037.7145 (pause 0.87) 1038.5818 867 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1038.5818 And um, 1039.8967 868 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1039.8967 (pause 1.63) 1041.5229 869 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1041.5229 I was- I've always wanted to go to school. 1043.5140 870 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1043.5140 (pause 0.36) 1043.8777 871 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1043.8777 I always had this dream of being something very very successful, 1047.1826 872 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1047.1826 (pause 0.77) 1047.9519 873 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1047.9519 so um, I went 1049.5466 874 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1049.5466 (pause 0.19) 1049.7378 875 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1049.7378 back to high school. 1050.8196 876 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1050.8196 (pause 1.12) 1051.9434 877 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1051.9434 And I r- my teacher was Miss [/RD-NAME-3/.] 1054.3063 878 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1054.3063 (pause 0.60) 1054.9078 879 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1054.9078 [/You want to cut it-/] 1055.6259 880 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1055.6259 (pause 1.37) 1056.9968 881 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1056.9968 [Cut that out (whispering).] 1057.7522 882 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1057.7522 (pause 0.23) 1057.9846 883 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1057.9846 [You can cut it out.] 1058.7260 884 DCB_int_01 1059.3928 That should be alright. 1060.4734 885 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1066.6180 /Can you hear me?/ 1067.0236 886 DCB_int_01 1067.5272 Go ahead. No- Oh, it's fine. 1068.9914 887 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1069.2711 Mkay (mouthful of food). 1069.6349 888 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1069.6349 (pause 0.33) 1069.9659 889 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1069.9659 So, 1070.4136 890 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1070.4136 (pause 1.76) 1072.1703 891 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1072.1703 I went back in school. 1073.4060 892 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1073.4060 (pause 1.75) 1075.1592 893 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1075.1592 Here I am, 1075.8027 894 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1075.8027 (pause 1.70) 1077.5000 895 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1077.5000 sixteen years old, in school, 1079.0842 896 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1079.0842 (pause 1.20) 1080.2873 897 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1080.2873 with a husband, 1081.0846 898 DCB_int_01 1081.8307 Right. 1082.1338 899 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1082.6234 two children. 1083.2762 900 DCB_int_01 1083.4860 Baby children. 1084.1097 901 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1084.3941 [Mm-hm.] 1084.8698 902 DCB_int_01 1084.6366 [Not even] like, 1085.3873 903 DCB_int_01 1085.5599 toddler toddlers. 1086.6323 904 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1087.1732 But I wanna be in school. 1088.3576 905 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1088.3576 (pause 0.72) 1089.0757 906 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1089.0757 Even though I did all the behaviors of an adult, 1091.3081 907 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1091.3081 (pause 0.78) 1092.0868 908 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1092.0868 a part of me 1092.8142 909 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1092.8142 (pause 0.73) 1093.5463 910 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1093.5463 still tried to be 1094.5488 911 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1094.5488 (pause 0.32) 1094.8705 912 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1094.8705 in [school.] 1095.3928 913 DCB_int_01 1094.9831 [A kid.] Mm-hm. 1095.8766 914 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1096.6599 I tried- I wanted to be- I wanted to be 1098.3199 915 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1098.3199 (pause 0.20) 1098.5204 916 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1098.5204 all the things that all the other little girls were. 1100.6094 917 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1100.6094 (pause 2.14) 1102.7485 918 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1102.7485 Somehow didn't- You know, I missed that- 1104.4551 919 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1104.4551 (pause 0.70) 1105.1592 920 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1105.1592 /point at/- You know- And I tried- 1106.4555 921 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1106.4555 (pause 1.16) 1107.6119 922 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1107.6119 You know, I- um, 1108.5434 923 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1108.5434 (pause 0.16) 1108.7019 924 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1108.7019 I stayed active. 1109.7837 925 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1109.7837 (pause 1.25) 1111.0333 926 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1111.0333 Um, 1111.5789 927 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1111.5789 (pause 0.76) 1112.3436 928 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1112.3436 tried to get into some activities, it just didn't work out, 1115.0050 929 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1115.0050 (pause 0.35) 1115.3594 930 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1115.3594 couldn't do it all. 1116.0681 931 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1116.0681 (pause 1.63) 1117.6955 932 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1117.6955 But Miss /RD-NAME-3/, 1119.0664 933 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1119.0664 (pause 2.61) 1121.6764 934 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1121.6764 um, was my Literature teacher. 1123.4717 935 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1123.4717 (pause 1.96) 1125.4301 936 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1125.4301 And she and I connected, 1126.6180 937 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1126.6180 (pause 1.88) 1128.4971 938 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1128.4971 and 1128.8935 939 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1128.8935 (pause 1.47) 1130.3623 940 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1130.3623 she was the first person I ever told 1131.8905 941 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1131.8905 (pause 0.43) 1132.3242 942 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1132.3242 other than my children's father what my dreams were. 1134.2826 943 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1134.2826 (pause 3.00) 1137.2809 944 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1137.2809 It wasn't a black woman that told me I could make it. 1139.1029 945 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1139.1029 (pause 1.98) 1141.0800 946 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1141.0800 It was a white woman. 1141.8867 947 DCB_int_01 1142.7260 And this is in the early seventies. [In] [DC.] 1145.1076 948 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1144.2403 [Mm-hm.] 1144.5760 949 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1144.5760 (pause 0.42) 1145.0003 950 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1145.0003 [Mm-hm.] 1145.3127 951 DCB_int_01 1146.4458 Soon after [Martin Luther King.] 1148.0499 952 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1146.8935 [Seventy two, seventy] three. [Mm-hm.] 1148.7959 953 DCB_int_01 1148.3576 [Mm-hm.] 1148.8192 954 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1149.6073 Mm-hm. 1149.9197 955 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1149.9197 (pause 1.44) 1151.3640 956 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1151.3640 So, 1151.7604 957 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1151.7604 (pause 3.87) 1155.6259 958 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1155.6259 I 1155.9663 959 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1155.9663 (pause 0.40) 1156.3615 960 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1156.3615 got on the path of 1157.7044 961 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1157.7044 (pause 0.63) 1158.3339 962 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1158.3339 putting my life together to make it. 1159.8493 963 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1159.8493 (pause 1.78) 1161.6248 964 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1161.6248 You know, I wanted to go to school. 1163.3500 965 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1163.3500 (pause 0.84) 1164.1940 966 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1164.1940 I wanted to do all these things. Didn't know how I was gonna do it, didn't know where the money was gonna [come from.] 1168.0409 967 DCB_int_01 1167.6992 [fro- Mm-Hm.] 1168.0409 968 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1169.3314 And tryna be somebody's wife. Can you imagine that? 1171.6488 969 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1171.6488 (pause 1.02) 1172.6700 970 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1172.6700 So, 1173.0477 971 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1173.0477 (pause 0.12) 1173.1689 972 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1173.1689 in order t- f- you- And tryna pay attention to what was going on around me, in terms of 1177.2525 973 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1177.2525 (pause 0.53) 1177.7841 974 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1177.7841 politics and democracy and all of that, 1180.0129 975 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1180.0129 (pause 0.38) 1180.3895 976 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1180.3895 I wasn't paying attention to none of that. 1181.8676 977 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1181.8676 (pause 1.45) 1183.3131 978 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1183.3131 I mean [you knew it exi-] 1184.2224 979 DCB_int_01 1183.6395 [You had enough] going [on without] all- 1186.0083 980 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1184.9078 [Uh-huh.] 1185.2948 981 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1186.6739 You knew it existed. 1187.6858 982 DCB_int_01 1188.1008 Right. 1188.3199 983 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1188.2733 You knew racism existed. You knew you weren't well liked. 1191.1550 984 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1191.6632 My neighborhoods were black. 1192.8045 985 DCB_int_01 1194.3153 Hm. 1194.5297 986 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1196.2364 I grew up Northwest. 1197.3928 987 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1197.3928 (pause 1.09) 1198.4874 988 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1198.4874 Girard Street, Fourteenth Street. 1200.3153 989 DCB_int_01 1200.3153 Mm-hm. 1200.7769 990 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1201.4717 You go there now, them peo- them- them- them- them not the people I grew up with. 1204.6180 991 DCB_int_01 1204.8651 Mm-mm. 1205.4573 992 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1205.7930 At all. 1206.2780 993 DCB_int_01 1206.8935 And that neighborhood has changed so much. Fourteenth, Girard, that's- 1209.6073 994 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1209.7880 [Ah! (frustrated)] 1210.2169 995 DCB_int_01 1209.9418 [Columbia-] You in the heart of Columbia [Heights.] 1211.8023 996 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1211.2987 [Ah!] 1211.8303 997 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1212.8328 Oh, honey, yes. 1214.0545 998 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1214.0545 (pause 0.21) 1214.2643 999 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1214.2643 [So-] 1214.7260 1000 DCB_int_01 1214.2737 [And so how] long- You- you stayed there for- 1216.1668 1001 DCB_int_01 1216.7532 That was /RD-NAME-3/'s childhood home [cause I remember] her telling me about- 1219.7188 1002 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1218.2453 [Mm-hm.] 1218.6790 1003 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1220.6281 That was their childhood home because I lived on Girard Street, 1223.2801 1004 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1223.2801 (pause 1.31) 1224.5904 1005 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1224.5904 then I always wanted more. 1226.3529 1006 DCB_int_01 1226.6234 Mm. 1227.0477 1007 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1227.6446 So we moved to 1228.7439 1008 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1228.7439 (pause 1.84) 1230.5810 1009 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1230.5810 Fourteenth and /Upshur/. 1231.6955 1010 DCB_int_01 1232.4928 Mm-hm. 1232.8472 1011 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1233.8637 And- 1234.2589 1012 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1234.2589 (pause 1.11) 1235.3733 1013 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1235.3733 with my husband and kids. 1236.4924 1014 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1236.4924 (pause 2.39) 1238.8845 1015 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1238.8845 It was a nicer neighborhood and 1240.3427 1016 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1240.3427 (pause 0.81) 1241.1542 1017 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1241.1542 nicer atmosphere. 1242.2360 1018 DCB_int_01 1242.8049 It was ten blocks? 1243.9240 1019 DCB_int_01 1243.9240 (pause 0.89) 1244.8146 1020 DCB_int_01 1244.8146 Fifteen bl- 1245.4347 1021 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1245.7145 [Maybe ten.] 1246.2822 1022 DCB_int_01 1245.8999 [Not-] 1246.0864 1023 DCB_int_01 1246.3895 Ten. 1246.6319 1024 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1246.7858 Wasn't that- [It wasn't all-] 1247.6858 1025 DCB_int_01 1247.1355 [It wasn't that] [far.] 1248.0495 1026 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1247.8117 [It was] one bus ride. 1248.8468 1027 DCB_int_01 1248.9401 Mm-hm. 1249.4437 1028 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1250.8052 Straight up [Fourteenth Street.] 1251.9616 1029 DCB_int_01 1251.4161 [/Teenth/ Street. Mm-hm.] 1252.2356 1030 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1253.7231 But 1254.0215 1031 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1254.0215 (pause 1.56) 1255.5789 1032 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1255.5789 as time went on, 1256.6141 1033 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1256.6141 (pause 0.54) 1257.1550 1034 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1257.1550 we didn't have the /tools/ to be married, you know, to stay married. 1260.1287 1035 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1260.1287 (pause 1.64) 1261.7654 1036 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1261.7654 We didn't have a skill set to kn- know how to 1263.6212 1037 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1263.6212 (pause 0.24) 1263.8637 1038 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1263.8637 be husband and wife, neither one of us did. 1265.5645 1039 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1265.5645 (pause 1.73) 1267.2945 1040 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1267.2945 So we didn't stay married long. 1268.5301 1041 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1268.5301 (pause 2.39) 1270.9164 1042 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1270.9164 We didn't l- get a legal divorce, but we separated. /RD-NAME-3/ musta been about 1274.9172 1043 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1274.9172 (pause 1.95) 1276.8698 1044 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1276.8698 I wanna say five. 1277.9702 1045 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1277.9702 (pause 0.97) 1278.9447 1046 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1278.9447 /RD-NAME-2/ musta been about four. 1280.2877 1047 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1280.2877 (pause 1.96) 1282.2496 1048 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1282.2496 I wasn't one of those women, like, lord, what am I gonna do? 1284.8701 1049 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1284.8701 (pause 0.72) 1285.5929 1050 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1285.5929 You just did it. 1286.2830 1051 DCB_int_01 1286.5115 You just made it work. 1287.2436 1052 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1287.5420 You just made it work. 1288.3755 1053 DCB_int_01 1289.0796 So what did you do? 1289.6578 1054 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1290.9541 1291.2945 1055 DCB_int_01 1291.3178 Wait, did you fini- Wait. Before that, did you finish high school? 1293.6352 1056 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1294.8791 I was still in high [school.] 1295.9702 1057 DCB_int_01 1295.7930 [You] were still in high school at this point. Okay. 1297.1639 1058 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1297.1546 Mm-hm. 1297.5229 1059 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1300.1796 I got sick. 1300.7252 1060 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1300.7252 (pause 3.62) 1304.3436 1061 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1304.3436 Had a little bout with cancer. 1305.8999 1062 DCB_int_01 1307.0003 At this young age? 1308.2826 1063 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1308.7536 Hm. 1308.9401 1064 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1308.9401 (pause 1.43) 1310.3669 1065 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1310.3669 I was eighteen, 1311.1829 1066 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1311.1829 (pause 0.50) 1311.6807 1067 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1311.6807 turning nineteen. 1312.5154 1068 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1312.5154 (pause 2.69) 1315.2012 1069 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1315.2012 Had my surgery 1316.0918 1070 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1316.0918 (pause 2.59) 1318.6786 1071 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1318.6786 at Columbia Hospital for Women. 1320.2127 1072 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1320.2127 (pause 2.44) 1322.6514 1073 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1322.6514 The n- 1322.8472 1074 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1322.8472 (pause 0.10) 1322.9451 1075 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1322.9451 next day after surgery I went to work. 1324.8791 1076 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1324.8791 (pause 1.78) 1326.6603 1077 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1326.6603 Somebody offered me a job at /RD-NAME-2/, 1328.3463 1078 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1328.3463 (pause 1.74) 1330.0817 1079 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1330.0817 administration. 1330.7345 1080 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1330.7345 (pause 0.96) 1331.6951 1081 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1331.6951 So! 1332.0401 1082 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1332.0401 (pause 0.81) 1332.8468 1083 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1332.8468 I had time to recover. 1334.0732 1084 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1334.0732 (pause 0.28) 1334.3529 1085 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1334.3529 1334.6793 1086 DCB_int_01 1336.0071 Like you just walked out a hospital and went to work? 1337.6438 1087 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1337.9842 Next [day.] 1338.7396 1088 DCB_int_01 1338.2173 [Pretty much?] 1338.8608 1089 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1338.8655 Mm-hm. 1339.0846 1090 DCB_int_01 1339.0567 Wow. 1339.5602 1091 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1342.5154 They called me and said they had a job. 1343.9655 1092 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1343.9655 (pause 3.33) 1347.2948 1093 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1347.2948 I needed a job. 1348.2496 1094 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1348.2496 (pause 3.76) 1352.0125 1095 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1352.0125 And I'm like /floored/ after that. 1353.3881 1096 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1353.3881 (pause 0.82) 1354.2123 1097 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1354.2123 /I don't have no regrets/. 1355.2008 1098 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1355.2008 (pause 0.54) 1355.7371 1099 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1355.7371 /It's just sore/. 1356.4458 1100 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1356.4458 (pause 2.28) 1358.7260 1101 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1358.7260 From there, 1359.2389 1102 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1359.2389 (pause 2.45) 1361.6858 1103 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1361.6858 I found ways to put /RD-NAME-3/ and /RD-NAME-2/ in private school. 1364.2457 1104 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1364.2457 (pause 3.92) 1368.1660 1105 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1368.1660 I kind of mimicked the women that were around me that were successful. 1371.2984 1106 DCB_int_01 1372.0089 Mm. 1372.4377 1107 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1372.8464 I didn't have any strategic plan or analyzed- All I knew is I wanted more. 1377.1177 1108 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1377.1177 (pause 2.80) 1379.9189 1109 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1379.9189 And so, 1380.7489 1110 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1380.7489 (pause 2.66) 1383.4068 1111 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1383.4068 I didn't- I really didn't focus on 1385.4293 1112 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1385.4293 (pause 0.55) 1385.9749 1113 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1385.9749 racism. I knew it exist. I knew it was there. 1388.4882 1114 DCB_int_01 1391.4382 But that was- Your focus was surviving and- 1393.1779 1115 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1393.1452 [Mm.] 1393.3504 1116 DCB_int_01 1393.3131 and making a life. 1394.2690 1117 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1394.4649 That's my journey. 1395.2296 1118 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1395.2296 (pause 0.23) 1395.4627 1119 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1395.4627 I'm writing 1396.1109 1120 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1396.1109 (pause 1.01) 1397.1169 1121 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1397.1169 a little book, 1397.7091 1122 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1397.7091 (pause 2.41) 1400.1198 1123 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1400.1198 my journey of survival. 1401.3042 1124 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1401.3042 (pause 0.30) 1401.6014 1125 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1401.6014 My life on survival. 1402.5807 1126 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1402.5807 (pause 1.35) 1403.9329 1127 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1403.9329 I saw a therapist once, and she said, 1405.7188 1128 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1405.7188 (pause 0.56) 1406.2830 1129 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1406.2830 you have been surviving all your life. 1407.8905 1130 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1407.8905 (pause 2.99) 1410.8795 1131 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1410.8795 It's been on automatic. 1411.9986 1132 DCB_int_01 1413.1130 And not even thinking about it. 1414.2647 1133 DCB_int_01 1414.2647 (pause 0.58) 1414.8464 1134 DCB_int_01 1414.8464 Just doing what you got to do to make it. 1416.3106 1135 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1420.3382 There are people who I went to junior high school /with/ and everything who didn't make it out. 1423.6815 1136 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1423.6815 (pause 1.69) 1425.3695 1137 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1425.3695 They got caught up in drugs. 1426.8464 1138 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1426.8464 (pause 0.98) 1427.8303 1139 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1427.8303 You know, we had 1428.3059 1140 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1428.3059 (pause 0.63) 1428.9354 1141 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1428.9354 the big drug w- 1429.8633 1142 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1429.8633 (pause 0.21) 1430.0732 1143 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1430.0732 wave, and then people were selling drugs and doing drugs. 1433.3267 1144 DCB_int_01 1433.5039 Especially in the neighborhood [in-] 1434.8282 1145 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1434.6790 [Mm-hm.] 1435.0986 1146 DCB_int_01 1435.1079 Fourteenth Street- [/That became a big-/] 1437.0990 1147 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1435.6768 [Oh honey, that was a big] thing. 1437.4907 1148 DCB_int_01 1437.6154 [Mm-hm.] 1438.3382 1149 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1437.6212 [That was big.] 1438.3427 1150 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1438.4548 You couldn't even come on the street, 1439.6578 1151 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1439.6578 (pause 0.39) 1440.0448 1152 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1440.0448 the police were there. 1440.9121 1153 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1440.9121 (pause 0.43) 1441.3411 1154 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1441.3411 You couldn't even come in the neighborhood. 1442.5441 1155 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1442.5441 (pause 1.33) 1443.8766 1156 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1443.8766 They gotten so bad. 1444.8045 1157 DCB_int_01 1445.9236 And when did you leave- 1446.7303 1158 DCB_int_01 1446.7303 (pause 0.10) 1446.8328 1159 DCB_int_01 1446.8328 When did you leave there? 1447.7701 1160 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1448.1431 I worked at a hospital center for tw- 1449.5933 1161 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1449.5933 (pause 0.16) 1449.7553 1162 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1449.7553 u- twenty year. 1450.5760 1163 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1450.5760 (pause 2.04) 1452.6183 1164 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1452.6183 I left 1453.3318 1165 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1453.3318 (pause 0.43) 1453.7608 1166 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1453.7608 the neighborhood in ninety six. 1455.5280 1167 DCB_int_01 1456.3428 So you stayed- That was a- That was a long time. 1458.6929 1168 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1458.7769 No, it was before ninety six- It was ninety. 1460.4882 1169 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1460.4882 (pause 0.37) 1460.8565 1170 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1460.8565 I left the neighborhood in ninety. 1462.0362 1171 DCB_int_01 1462.1517 And then that's when you guys moved over to Southeast? 1464.1147 1172 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1464.1427 I bought a home. 1464.7489 1173 DCB_int_01 1466.5861 And tell me what that experience was like. [Cause now], 1468.9817 1174 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1468.0911 [] 1468.5900 1175 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1468.9910 Hm. 1469.1822 1176 DCB_int_01 1469.1495 you're- you- 1469.6904 1177 DCB_int_01 1469.9282 your kids are much older. 1471.3364 1178 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1471.6535 Well, so I done survived, and I got 'em through s- 1473.7145 1179 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1473.7145 (pause 0.13) 1473.8486 1180 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1473.8486 to school, 1474.4827 1181 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1474.4827 (pause 1.52) 1476.0075 1182 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1476.0075 never knowing from one month to the other how I was gonna pay for it. 1478.8379 1183 DCB_int_01 1480.4175 But it somehow got paid. 1481.5086 1184 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1481.5972 Somehow got paid. 1482.5717 1185 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1482.5717 (pause 1.42) 1483.9892 1186 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1483.9892 I volunteered at the school. 1485.4534 1187 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1485.4534 (pause 4.39) 1489.8400 1188 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1489.8400 /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 1490.5907 1189 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1490.5907 (pause 1.67) 1492.2636 1190 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1492.2636 Whenever 1492.8698 1191 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1492.8698 (pause 0.13) 1493.0003 1192 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1493.0003 they needed me to do something, I always made myself available. 1495.7701 1193 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1495.7701 (pause 0.14) 1495.9053 1194 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1495.9053 I always w- 1496.5068 1195 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1496.5068 (pause 0.83) 1497.3321 1196 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1497.3321 worked my hours so I could always be available to- 1499.7231 1197 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1499.7231 (pause 0.21) 1499.9282 1198 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1499.9282 to go to school for what my kids- Cause my mother 1502.0685 1199 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1502.0685 (pause 0.37) 1502.4369 1200 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1502.4369 never did that for us. 1503.3741 1201 DCB_int_01 1505.4853 And you wanted your kids to feel differently or have a different [experience.] 1508.8892 1202 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1508.1897 [Mm-hm.] 1508.6327 1203 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1511.2148 We didn't have a lot of love and affection. 1512.6510 1204 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1512.6510 (pause 2.18) 1514.8332 1205 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1514.8332 When I first saw my mother giving some love and affection, 1516.8837 1206 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1516.8837 (pause 2.22) 1519.1079 1207 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1519.1079 it was to her grandchildren. And I was like, wow. [] 1523.5599 1208 DCB_int_01 1522.4827 [Mm.] 1523.3594 1209 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1526.1851 So she did- 1526.8752 1210 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1526.8752 (pause 0.21) 1527.0897 1211 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1527.0897 My mom really turned her life around. 1528.9257 1212 DCB_int_01 1530.9727 Once you guys got older. 1532.0172 1213 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1532.6747 Mm- 1532.8332 1214 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1532.8332 (pause 1.35) 1534.1843 1215 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1534.1843 I didn't think she was going to, but she did. 1535.8630 1216 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1535.8630 (pause 1.65) 1537.5136 1217 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1537.5136 And so, /RD-NAME-3/ and /RD-NAME-2/ went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 1540.3708 1218 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1540.3708 (pause 1.04) 1541.4060 1219 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1541.4060 When /RD-SCHOOL-3/ shut down, /RD-NAME-2/ went to /RD-SCHOOL-8/. 1544.5861 1220 DCB_int_01 1544.8705 Mm-hm. 1545.3088 1221 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1548.5018 People always said, 1549.4110 1222 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1549.4110 (pause 2.72) 1552.1330 1223 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1552.1330 how'd you do that? 1553.0376 1224 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1553.0376 (pause 1.37) 1554.4038 1225 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1554.4038 How'd you get them in the school? 1555.5463 1226 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1555.5463 (pause 1.49) 1557.0384 1227 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1557.0384 And I would say, 1557.7192 1228 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1557.7192 (pause 0.72) 1558.4408 1229 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1558.4408 I don't know. It's just about the grades. 1559.6718 1230 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1559.6718 (pause 2.08) 1561.7561 1231 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1561.7561 Ain't just about the grades- I ain't had no plan! 1563.4441 1232 DCB_int_01 1563.8532 Mm-hm. 1564.2263 1233 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1564.3755 I ain't had no 1564.9910 1234 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1564.9910 (pause 0.15) 1565.1402 1235 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1565.1402 a- 1565.3221 1236 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1565.3221 (pause 0.48) 1565.8023 1237 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1565.8023 sit down- no strategic plan like people do today. 1568.1618 1238 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1568.1618 (pause 0.63) 1568.7913 1239 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1568.7913 From the time their children are born and, 1570.5200 1240 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1570.5200 (pause 0.53) 1571.0469 1241 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1571.0469 they're gonna go to this school, and they gonna- 1572.6836 1242 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1572.6836 (pause 1.15) 1573.8307 1243 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1573.8307 And I'm gonna put this kind of money away. 1575.3368 1244 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1575.3368 (pause 0.24) 1575.5793 1245 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1575.5793 I ain't know what saving no- 1576.4548 1246 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1576.4548 (pause 0.44) 1576.8931 1247 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1576.8931 I was always- 1578.1614 1248 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1578.1614 (pause 1.37) 1579.5323 1249 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1579.5323 And then, to- tryna make them 1580.8239 1250 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1580.8239 (pause 0.11) 1580.9358 1251 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1580.9358 well grounded, well rounded. 1582.5713 1252 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1582.5713 (pause 1.77) 1584.3432 1253 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1584.3432 They were. 1584.8328 1254 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1584.8328 (pause 1.72) 1586.5534 1255 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1586.5534 People didn't believe they were my children. 1587.8637 1256 DCB_int_01 1589.2987 Why? 1589.6158 1257 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1591.4530 They was always well mannered. 1592.7959 1258 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1592.7959 (pause 1.24) 1594.0351 1259 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1594.0351 Smart. 1594.6133 1260 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1594.6133 (pause 3.30) 1597.9146 1261 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1597.9146 I had a lot of people who cared about me coming up 1600.2694 1262 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1600.2694 (pause 0.34) 1600.6086 1263 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1600.6086 cause they just couldn't believe this young person 1602.7256 1264 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1602.7256 (pause 1.08) 1603.8027 1265 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1603.8027 was doing a job of the average 1605.4954 1266 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1605.4954 (pause 1.68) 1607.1775 1267 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1607.1775 older [woman.] 1607.8256 1268 DCB_int_01 1607.6298 [Mm-] Mm-hm. 1608.3106 1269 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1609.1639 So, 1609.6115 1270 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1609.6115 (pause 1.49) 1611.0990 1271 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1611.0990 I- 1611.3834 1272 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1611.3834 (pause 0.40) 1611.7880 1273 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1611.7880 I surrounded myself around positive people, 1613.9142 1274 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1613.9142 (pause 1.62) 1615.5323 1275 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1615.5323 positive women who were doing good things. 1617.4068 1276 DCB_int_01 1618.0631 And that was kind of- 1618.8371 1277 DCB_int_01 1618.8371 (pause 0.25) 1619.0889 1278 DCB_int_01 1619.0889 [You feel they filled] your- 1620.4272 1279 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1619.0936 [That was my /founda/-] 1620.0448 1280 DCB_int_01 1620.5671 [the maternal] [role for] you? 1622.0545 1281 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1620.5810 [Oh!] 1620.9494 1282 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1620.9494 (pause 0.44) 1621.3877 1283 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1621.3877 [Oh!] 1621.8074 1284 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1622.2131 Absolutely. 1623.4347 1285 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1623.4347 (pause 1.55) 1624.9817 1286 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1624.9817 Absolutely. 1626.0541 1287 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1626.0541 (pause 0.19) 1626.2453 1288 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1626.2453 I don't think I could have made it. 1627.3784 1289 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1627.3784 (pause 0.95) 1628.3296 1290 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1628.3296 They were the ones who took the responsibility even when I became out of order 1632.4505 1291 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1632.4505 (pause 0.51) 1632.9587 1292 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1632.9587 at any point. 1633.7701 1293 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1633.7701 (pause 0.24) 1634.0079 1294 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1634.0079 To help- 1634.3250 1295 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1634.3250 (pause 0.33) 1634.6560 1296 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1634.6560 To put- Be able to put- Cause you know, 1635.8684 1297 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1635.8684 (pause 0.56) 1636.4268 1298 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1636.4268 when you're on /??/- 1637.6438 1299 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1637.6438 (pause 0.45) 1638.0961 1300 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1638.0961 survival mode, 1638.9028 1301 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1638.9028 (pause 1.45) 1640.3529 1302 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1640.3529 you don't think what you're doing- anything you could do or say is wrong. 1643.1775 1303 DCB_int_01 1643.8630 Mm-hm. 1644.3759 1304 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1644.4645 You just do it. 1645.1266 1305 DCB_int_01 1645.1313 You just do. 1645.7188 1306 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1645.9986 You know? 1646.4136 1307 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1646.4136 (pause 0.38) 1646.7959 1308 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1646.7959 But I do know I resented white people at the time. 1649.2428 1309 DCB_int_01 1650.1474 Why? 1650.4551 1310 DCB_int_01 1650.4551 (pause 0.08) 1650.5344 1311 DCB_int_01 1650.5344 Because you felt- 1651.2059 1312 DCB_int_01 1651.2059 (pause 0.24) 1651.4483 1313 DCB_int_01 1651.4483 Even with Miss /RD-NAME-3/? 1652.6514 1314 DCB_int_01 1652.6514 (pause 0.64) 1653.2948 1315 DCB_int_01 1653.2948 Was it Miss /RD-NAME-3/? Was that her name? 1654.7205 1316 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1655.1169 That's her [name.] 1655.7510 1317 DCB_int_01 1655.5599 [Mm.] 1655.8163 1318 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1657.4064 It just seemed like they had everything. 1658.8286 1319 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1658.8286 (pause 2.76) 1661.5878 1320 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1661.5878 I remember taking my kids to school. They went to school 1664.0452 1321 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1664.0452 (pause 2.13) 1666.1703 1322 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1666.1703 um, 1666.5294 1323 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1666.5294 (pause 0.90) 1667.4293 1324 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1667.4293 Connecticut Avenue and 1668.7074 1325 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1668.7074 (pause 0.55) 1669.2525 1326 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1669.2525 /Woodley/ Road- 1669.9473 1327 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1669.9473 (pause 1.72) 1671.6679 1328 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1671.6679 Whenever I was there I was like, why do they have it all? 1674.0541 1329 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1674.0541 (pause 1.04) 1675.0914 1330 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1675.0914 Cause I didn't know anybody who had a lot of money, 1676.6068 1331 DCB_int_01 1676.8808 Mm-hm. 1677.2305 1332 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1677.7760 you know, coming up. 1678.4988 1333 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1678.4988 (pause 1.84) 1680.3406 1334 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1680.3406 The well manicured lawns and- 1682.4576 1335 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1682.4576 (pause 3.03) 1685.4920 1336 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1685.4920 Only time you saw us was 1686.7463 1337 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1686.7463 (pause 1.11) 1687.8514 1338 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1687.8514 getting the trash or 1689.1337 1339 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1689.1337 (pause 1.17) 1690.3030 1340 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1690.3030 [cleaning their house. Mm-hm.] 1691.5853 1341 DCB_int_01 1690.3169 [/Doing the manicuring of] the lawn. 1691.9536 1342 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1691.9023 Mm-hm. 1692.2894 1343 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1692.4805 Mm-hm. 1692.7743 1344 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1692.7743 (pause 0.56) 1693.3385 1345 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1693.3385 So 1693.7675 1346 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1693.7675 (pause 0.69) 1694.4529 1347 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1694.4529 I had never understood that. 1695.6641 1348 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1695.6641 (pause 2.25) 1697.9117 1349 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1697.9117 And you know, your family talk about 1699.5390 1350 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1699.5390 (pause 0.82) 1700.3550 1351 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1700.3550 white people 1701.0358 1352 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1701.0358 (pause 0.10) 1701.1384 1353 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1701.1384 in a negative way, so you d- adapt that. 1703.2262 1354 DCB_int_01 1703.7065 Mm-hm. 1704.1774 1355 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1706.1032 But 1706.4250 1356 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1706.4250 (pause 0.49) 1706.9134 1357 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1706.9134 it wasn't til high school 1708.1258 1358 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1708.1258 (pause 1.94) 1710.0655 1359 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1710.0655 that my attitude about white people changed. 1711.6369 1360 DCB_int_01 1713.4730 Miss /RD-NAME-3/. 1714.1304 1361 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1714.1444 Miss /RD-NAME-3/. 1714.8625 1362 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1714.8625 (pause 1.73) 1716.5971 1363 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1716.5971 Mm-hm. 1716.9561 1364 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1716.9561 (pause 1.46) 1718.4156 1365 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1718.4156 Because I worked at the /RD-WORK-2/, 1719.6500 1366 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1719.6500 (pause 1.57) 1721.2215 1367 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1721.2215 it was an older lady there. 1722.5878 1368 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1722.5878 (pause 1.49) 1724.0799 1369 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1724.0799 I was nineteen, 1724.9006 1370 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1724.9006 (pause 0.78) 1725.6781 1371 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1725.6781 worked in the kitchen, 1726.4382 1372 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1726.4382 (pause 2.55) 1728.9888 1373 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1728.9888 was proud to have a job (hard to understand because of chewing). 1730.1032 1374 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1730.1032 (pause 0.53) 1730.6348 1375 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1730.6348 Eighteen. 1731.1011 1376 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1731.1011 (pause 0.24) 1731.3424 1377 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1731.3424 I was eighteen. 1731.9626 1378 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1731.9626 (pause 2.75) 1734.7090 1379 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1734.7090 And she- 1735.3711 1380 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1735.3711 (pause 1.33) 1736.6989 1381 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1736.6989 I just think people were amazed by the things that 1739.2868 1382 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1739.2868 (pause 0.59) 1739.8744 1383 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1739.8744 I was doing. 1740.6064 1384 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1740.6064 (pause 0.11) 1740.7137 1385 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1740.7137 I think I amazed people. I don't know what it was. 1742.7840 1386 DCB_int_01 1743.6222 I [mean that's] a lot going on. 1745.0956 1387 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1743.7527 [But I-] 1744.0092 1388 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1746.0469 And I had it- 1746.5458 1389 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1746.5458 (pause 0.10) 1746.6484 1390 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1746.6484 they would say, and you have it together. 1748.1685 1391 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1748.1685 (pause 1.02) 1749.1850 1392 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1749.1850 I didn't complain about anything. 1750.5781 1393 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1750.5781 (pause 3.68) 1754.2571 1394 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1754.2571 Um, 1754.6570 1395 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1754.6570 (pause 1.79) 1756.4475 1396 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1756.4475 Miss /RD-NAME-2/, 1757.1376 1397 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1757.1376 (pause 0.61) 1757.7485 1398 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1757.7485 God rest her soul, 1758.7230 1399 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1758.7230 (pause 1.24) 1759.9680 1400 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1759.9680 she um, 1760.8027 1401 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1760.8027 (pause 0.40) 1761.1978 1402 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1761.1978 became my work mother 1762.2843 1403 DCB_int_01 1762.7926 Mm. 1763.0723 1404 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1763.9676 at /RD-WORK-2/. 1764.4992 1405 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1764.4992 (pause 0.93) 1765.4318 1406 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1765.4318 So of course, I would take lessons from her, 1767.3715 1407 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1767.3715 (pause 0.40) 1767.7714 1408 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1767.7714 you know, notes out of her book. 1769.0723 1409 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1769.0723 (pause 1.64) 1770.7090 1410 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1770.7090 And then, 1771.3525 1411 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1771.3525 (pause 2.45) 1773.7994 1412 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1773.7994 right after that summer, 1774.9558 1413 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1774.9558 (pause 3.37) 1778.3224 1414 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1778.3224 I went to work 1779.0964 1415 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1779.0964 (pause 2.89) 1781.9909 1416 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1781.9909 at /RD-WORK-5/. 1782.8489 1417 DCB_int_01 1783.6556 Mm-hm. 1783.9866 1418 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1785.8646 Cause she was the one /that said, well apply over there/. 1787.6645 1419 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1787.6645 (pause 2.40) 1790.0659 1420 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1790.0659 I never even 1790.5742 1421 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1790.5742 (pause 0.13) 1790.7001 1422 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1790.7001 thought I could. 1791.4648 1423 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1791.4648 (pause 2.07) 1793.5386 1424 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1793.5386 And 1794.0702 1425 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1794.0702 (pause 0.37) 1794.4386 1426 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1794.4386 they didn't have anything. 1795.5110 1427 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1795.5110 (pause 0.28) 1795.7908 1428 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1795.7908 Then I found a contact, 1797.0545 1429 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1797.0545 (pause 1.44) 1798.4941 1430 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1798.4941 Miss /RD-NAME-2/, 1799.2682 1431 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1799.2682 (pause 1.19) 1800.4619 1432 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1800.4619 white lady. 1800.9375 1433 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1800.9375 (pause 0.23) 1801.1706 1434 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1801.1706 1802.1219 1435 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1802.1219 (pause 1.41) 1803.5289 1436 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1803.5289 She was in charge 1804.4615 1437 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1804.4615 (pause 1.00) 1805.4640 1438 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1805.4640 of this program. 1806.4199 1439 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1806.4199 (pause 2.03) 1808.4529 1440 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1808.4529 It was a surgical tech program, 1810.0092 1441 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1810.0092 (pause 1.66) 1811.6738 1442 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1811.6738 and I wanted it. 1812.3546 1443 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1812.3546 (pause 3.91) 1816.2657 1444 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1816.2657 I would call her every two weeks. 1817.5200 1445 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1817.5200 (pause 1.56) 1819.0820 1446 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1819.0820 1819.5204 1447 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1819.5204 (pause 0.85) 1820.3690 1448 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1820.3690 I must have called this lady- 1821.7947 1449 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1821.7947 (pause 2.54) 1824.3313 1450 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1824.3313 She said, I'll let you know when the program starts up again. 1826.4996 1451 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1826.4996 (pause 2.58) 1829.0770 1452 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1829.0770 But the program never started up again. 1830.7277 1453 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1830.7277 (pause 1.31) 1832.0333 1454 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1832.0333 They had another program 1833.1617 1455 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1833.1617 (pause 4.41) 1837.5670 1456 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1837.5670 for unit clerks. 1838.4996 1457 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1838.4996 (pause 1.58) 1840.0791 1458 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1840.0791 And unit clerks 1840.9371 1459 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1840.9371 (pause 2.49) 1843.4318 1460 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1843.4318 were the ones to transcribe doctor's orders and all of that. 1846.6433 1461 DCB_int_01 1846.6294 Oh, okay, cause I was gonna ask you what was [that.] 1848.4059 1462 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1848.2194 [] 1848.7463 1463 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1849.3991 They manage the units, 1850.5928 1464 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1850.5928 (pause 0.15) 1850.7420 1465 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1850.7420 the hospital [units.] 1851.8786 1466 DCB_int_01 1851.5616 [Gotcha.] Okay. 1852.2377 1467 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1852.7926 And that wa- that was a very nice job, very respectable job. 1855.8607 1468 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1855.8607 (pause 0.60) 1856.4623 1469 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1856.4623 I got that job, 1857.4088 1470 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1857.4088 (pause 0.26) 1857.6641 1471 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1857.6641 and in the mean time, me and /RD-NAME-3/'s father 1859.5480 1472 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1859.5480 (pause 0.58) 1860.1308 1473 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1860.1308 and /RD-NAME-2/'s father were going through it. 1861.6929 1474 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1861.6929 (pause 2.06) 1863.7481 1475 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1863.7481 So, 1864.1258 1476 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1864.1258 (pause 1.80) 1865.9256 1477 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1865.9256 I was saving money, 1866.9468 1478 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1866.9468 (pause 1.77) 1868.7141 1479 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1868.7141 and I left him 1869.3249 1480 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1869.3249 (pause 0.88) 1870.2050 1481 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1870.2050 one day. 1870.5687 1482 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1870.5687 (pause 2.09) 1872.6624 1483 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1872.6624 I left their father. 1873.7349 1484 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1873.7349 (pause 0.65) 1874.3877 1485 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1874.3877 Cause I was moving- 1875.4030 1486 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1875.4030 (pause 0.34) 1875.7387 1487 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1875.7387 I was growing, 1876.5734 1488 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1876.5734 (pause 0.83) 1877.3987 1489 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1877.3987 not fast, but I was growing. 1878.7790 1490 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1878.7790 (pause 1.04) 1879.8188 1491 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1879.8188 And he wasn't in the same direction- Excuse me for eating like [this.] 1882.4428 1492 DCB_int_01 1882.2377 [No], 1882.6107 1493 DCB_int_01 1882.8951 please. 1883.4873 1494 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1884.1215 But um, 1884.9095 1495 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1884.9095 (pause 1.28) 1886.1918 1496 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1886.1918 we separated then. 1887.1850 1497 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1887.1850 (pause 2.28) 1889.4640 1498 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1889.4640 And 1889.8790 1499 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1889.8790 (pause 3.11) 1892.9892 1500 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1892.9892 we went our separate ways. 1894.1724 1501 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1894.1724 (pause 3.38) 1897.5483 1502 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1897.5483 I got me an account, 1898.5835 1503 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1898.5835 (pause 0.20) 1898.7793 1504 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1898.7793 saved me some money, 1899.8600 1505 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1899.8600 (pause 0.65) 1900.5081 1506 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1900.5081 bought me a car. 1901.2542 1507 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1901.2542 (pause 1.24) 1902.4945 1508 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1902.4945 My first car, 1903.2686 1509 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1903.2686 (pause 0.22) 1903.4877 1510 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1903.4877 Dodge /Colt/, 1904.1592 1511 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1904.1592 (pause 0.80) 1904.9612 1512 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1904.9612 1905.4543 1513 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1905.4543 (pause 0.38) 1905.8367 1514 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1905.8367 brand new. 1906.4988 1515 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1906.4988 (pause 1.34) 1907.8417 1516 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1907.8417 Two thousand, nine hundred, and ninety nine dollars it cost. 1910.3457 1517 DCB_int_01 1910.6814 Mm. 1910.9239 1518 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1910.9472 Boy was that a lot of money. 1912.0885 1519 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1912.0885 (pause 3.53) 1915.6229 1520 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1915.6229 Bought a brand new car, 1916.9332 1521 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1916.9332 (pause 2.77) 1919.7065 1522 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1919.7065 /RD-NAME-3/ and /RD-NAME-2/ was in private school. 1921.3805 1523 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1921.3805 (pause 0.90) 1922.2851 1524 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1922.2851 I was doing it, 1923.1104 1525 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1923.1104 (pause 0.69) 1923.8040 1526 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1923.8040 least I thought. 1924.5314 1527 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1924.5314 (pause 2.46) 1926.9888 1528 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1926.9888 And then one day I woke up, and I wanted something else. 1929.1197 1529 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1929.1197 (pause 2.66) 1931.7764 1530 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1931.7764 And at school, there was a gen- gentlemen that one of the parents that worked at a- 1935.5522 1531 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1935.5522 (pause 0.17) 1935.7248 1532 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1935.7248 at a um, 1936.3869 1533 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1936.3869 (pause 0.63) 1937.0210 1534 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1937.0210 mortgage company, 1937.8883 1535 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1937.8883 (pause 2.66) 1940.5509 1536 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1940.5509 and he gave me some- he said, 1941.6595 1537 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1941.6595 (pause 0.35) 1942.0139 1538 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1942.0139 why don't you- 1942.6060 1539 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1942.6060 (pause 0.15) 1942.7599 1540 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1942.7599 why don't you try to by a house? 1944.3500 1541 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1944.3500 (pause 0.48) 1944.8302 1542 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1944.8302 I said, me? 1945.4084 1543 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1945.4084 (pause 0.14) 1945.5530 1544 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1945.5530 Is that possible? 1946.4110 1545 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1946.4110 (pause 1.17) 1947.5849 1546 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1947.5849 He said, there's so many programs. 1949.1283 1547 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1949.1283 (pause 0.41) 1949.5433 1548 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1949.5433 Yeah. 1949.8790 1549 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1949.8790 (pause 1.03) 1950.9095 1550 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1950.9095 1951.3851 1551 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1951.3851 (pause 1.37) 1952.7595 1552 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1952.7595 So I learned about the program. 1954.2050 1553 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1954.2050 (pause 2.21) 1956.4199 1554 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1956.4199 My best friend 1957.2033 1555 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1957.2033 (pause 0.46) 1957.6602 1556 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1957.6602 put ten thousand dollars in my account 1959.3191 1557 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1959.3191 (pause 0.13) 1959.4450 1558 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1959.4450 t- so that I could show 1960.4941 1559 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1960.4941 (pause 0.55) 1961.0444 1560 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1961.0444 you know, 1961.3335 1561 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1961.3335 (pause 0.33) 1961.6645 1562 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1961.6645 that I could afford it. 1962.5505 1563 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1962.5505 (pause 1.63) 1964.1825 1564 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1964.1825 Cause I was saving up the money. 1965.3436 1565 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1965.3436 (pause 2.54) 1967.8790 1566 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1967.8790 And 1968.3779 1567 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1968.3779 (pause 2.45) 1970.8306 1568 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1970.8306 nineteen ninety, 1971.7807 1569 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1971.7807 (pause 0.28) 1972.0605 1570 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1972.0605 I bought my first house. 1973.4174 1571 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1973.4174 (pause 1.75) 1975.1706 1572 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1975.1706 It was the last part of eighty nine, ninety, 1977.0358 1573 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1977.0358 (pause 0.54) 1977.5709 1574 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1977.5709 bought my house. 1978.1910 1575 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1978.1910 (pause 0.52) 1978.7086 1576 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1978.7086 By then, /RD-NAME-3/'s getting ready to go to school. 1980.2427 1577 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1980.2427 (pause 2.04) 1982.2804 1578 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1982.2804 /RD-NAME-3/ was um, 1983.3482 1579 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1983.3482 (pause 0.47) 1983.8227 1580 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1983.8227 smart little girl. 1984.8392 1581 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1984.8392 (pause 2.77) 1987.6090 1582 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1987.6090 My son was kind of 1988.9146 1583 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1988.9146 (pause 0.87) 1989.7854 1584 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1989.7854 1990.0372 1585 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1990.0372 (pause 0.56) 1990.6014 1586 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1990.6014 spoiled. 1991.2495 1587 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1991.2495 (pause 0.32) 1991.5713 1588 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1991.5713 What we did back then was 1993.5157 1589 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1993.5157 (pause 0.80) 1994.3177 1590 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1994.3177 we had the attitude make our girls stronger cause we didn't- I didn't want her- I know for me, I didn't want her to rely on anybody 1999.7484 1591 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 1999.7484 (pause 0.56) 2000.3037 1592 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2000.3037 to- 2000.4343 1593 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2000.4343 (pause 0.09) 2000.5217 1594 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2000.5217 you know, on- 2001.0720 1595 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2001.0720 (pause 0.08) 2001.1559 1596 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2001.1559 not a man. 2002.1491 1597 DCB_int_01 2002.5921 Mm. 2002.7926 1598 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2002.8019 You know, after seeing what my mother went through, and 2005.0354 1599 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2005.0354 (pause 1.36) 2006.3923 1600 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2006.3923 the fact that her father and I did not make it. Um, he was not v- 2009.5992 1601 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2009.5992 (pause 0.13) 2009.7251 1602 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2009.7251 t- at the time a res- To me, 2011.1940 1603 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2011.1940 (pause 0.57) 2011.7628 1604 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2011.7628 responsible enough to 2013.0964 1605 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2013.0964 (pause 0.35) 2013.4496 1606 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2013.4496 take care of us, so 2014.6387 1607 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2014.6387 (pause 0.53) 2015.1703 1608 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2015.1703 you need to be able to take care of yourself. 2016.8769 1609 DCB_int_01 2017.2452 [Mm-hm.] 2017.7248 1610 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2017.4178 [And I] think 2018.0659 1611 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2019.3657 unfortunately- 2020.4149 1612 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2020.4149 (pause 0.23) 2020.6433 1613 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2020.6433 Cause that's not always the best thing you wanna tell a girl. 2022.6624 1614 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2022.6624 (pause 1.45) 2024.1172 1615 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2024.1172 It can be- 2024.6488 1616 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2024.6488 (pause 0.30) 2024.9472 1617 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2024.9472 It can be 2025.4077 1618 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2025.4077 (pause 0.28) 2025.6921 1619 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2025.6921 a bad- This- Not- N- It's not the greatest thing. 2027.7391 1620 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2027.7391 (pause 0.69) 2028.4292 1621 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2028.4292 You got- You got to balance it. 2029.6229 1622 DCB_int_01 2029.7582 /Oh. Uh- Yeah/. 2030.2105 1623 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2030.5369 So 2030.9612 1624 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2030.9612 (pause 0.42) 2031.3797 1625 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2031.3797 my whole drive was to make her self sufficient and independent, and 2034.7836 1626 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2034.7836 (pause 0.51) 2035.2919 1627 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2035.2919 she was in all sorts of programs, uh, /Upward Bound/- All kinds of programs, and 2039.8790 1628 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2039.8790 (pause 0.76) 2040.6437 1629 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2040.6437 she went to um, 2042.1219 1630 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2042.1219 (pause 1.66) 2043.7854 1631 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2043.7854 Georgetown Day um, 2045.4733 1632 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2045.4733 (pause 0.21) 2045.6878 1633 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2045.6878 camp. 2046.2381 1634 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2046.2381 (pause 0.25) 2046.4852 1635 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2046.4852 And that's when she took horseback riding and 2049.0171 1636 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2049.0171 (pause 0.82) 2049.8367 1637 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2049.8367 became an equestrian and so 2051.7811 1638 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2051.7811 (pause 0.67) 2052.4526 1639 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2052.4526 I started following the- 2053.5064 1640 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2053.5064 (pause 0.27) 2053.7722 1641 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2053.7722 the path of the white folks. 2055.3098 1642 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2055.3098 (pause 1.51) 2056.8159 1643 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2056.8159 Cause they had it all, 2057.6459 1644 DCB_int_01 2057.7671 Mm-hm. 2058.1122 1645 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2058.6158 and I wanted it. 2059.4318 1646 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2059.4318 (pause 0.77) 2060.2011 1647 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2060.2011 I wanted the same things they had for they children, I wanted for mine. 2063.3894 1648 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2063.3894 (pause 0.68) 2064.0702 1649 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2064.0702 So I would 2064.5598 1650 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2064.5598 (pause 0.14) 2064.7044 1651 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2064.7044 get in little nooks and cranny and 2066.3224 1652 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2066.3224 (pause 0.36) 2066.6861 1653 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2066.6861 rub elbows and get in where I could, 2069.0630 1654 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2069.0630 (pause 0.45) 2069.5153 1655 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2069.5153 where somebody would say, 2070.5691 1656 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2070.5691 (pause 0.27) 2070.8396 1657 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2070.8396 I'm gonna help this little poor black woman. 2072.8108 1658 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2072.8108 (pause 0.43) 2073.2398 1659 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2073.2398 I didn't care what they called me, 2074.3962 1660 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2074.3962 (pause 0.15) 2074.5501 1661 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2074.5501 long as I got the help. 2075.4920 1662 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2075.4920 (pause 0.94) 2076.4292 1663 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2076.4292 I didn't care. 2077.0168 1664 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2077.0168 (pause 0.97) 2077.9913 1665 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2077.9913 Cause it wasn't about me at the time, it was about the [kids.] 2080.0465 1666 DCB_int_01 2079.7108 [Kids. /Mm-hm/.] 2080.8998 1667 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2080.2097 [You know, I got to get] them what they need. 2081.6878 1668 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2082.2474 If they wanted- 2082.9375 1669 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2082.9375 (pause 0.15) 2083.0914 1670 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2083.0914 If they wanted me to be their charity work, 2085.1466 1671 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2085.1466 (pause 0.37) 2085.5149 1672 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2085.5149 so be it. 2086.1631 1673 DCB_int_01 2087.1003 Do you feel like you had to 2088.9888 1674 DCB_int_01 2088.9888 (pause 0.96) 2089.9493 1675 DCB_int_01 2089.9493 um- 2090.3550 1676 DCB_int_01 2090.3550 (pause 0.97) 2091.3237 1677 DCB_int_01 2091.3237 But it was never- You were n- It was never a welfare program. This was always just other help- other people helping you. 2096.0379 1678 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2096.4704 It was just always 2097.6175 1679 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2097.6175 (pause 0.27) 2097.8880 1680 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2097.8880 for some way- somebody would drop a m- a- a- an- a- 2100.8909 1681 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2100.8909 (pause 0.36) 2101.2546 1682 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2101.2546 say something. And I would take what they said and run with [it.] 2103.9113 1683 DCB_int_01 2103.5273 [With it. Mm-hm.] 2104.1771 1684 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2104.7926 Um, I do remember 2106.0003 1685 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2106.0003 (pause 0.21) 2106.2101 1686 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2106.2101 coming up in- 2106.8536 1687 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2106.8536 (pause 0.18) 2107.0308 1688 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2107.0308 when they were in private school, I was never well received. 2110.2377 1689 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2110.2377 (pause 1.89) 2112.1308 1690 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2112.1308 I was a young mother. 2113.1567 1691 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2113.1567 (pause 0.35) 2113.5064 1692 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2113.5064 I was a black mother, and a dark black mother. 2115.9066 1693 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2115.9066 (pause 1.24) 2117.1469 1694 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2117.1469 You know, it was a school where 2118.6344 1695 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2118.6344 (pause 1.38) 2120.0193 1696 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2120.0193 um, 2120.5322 1697 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2120.5322 (pause 1.06) 2121.5942 1698 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2121.5942 it was very mixed, but the black children were treated differently. Even though it was a private school, and they weren't- 2126.9472 1699 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2126.9472 (pause 0.14) 2127.0918 1700 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2127.0918 You know, they- they- 2128.0092 1701 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2128.0092 (pause 0.22) 2128.2284 1702 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2128.2284 You know, they got m- 2128.9744 1703 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2128.9744 (pause 0.19) 2129.1609 1704 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2129.1609 money, but it wasn't like somebody was- 2131.0727 1705 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2131.0727 (pause 0.56) 2131.6331 1706 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2131.6331 There was um, 2132.4669 1707 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2132.4669 (pause 3.18) 2135.6459 1708 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2135.6459 a foundation 2136.6158 1709 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2136.6158 (pause 0.60) 2137.2173 1710 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2137.2173 for kids, you know, 2138.3037 1711 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2138.3037 (pause 0.23) 2138.5369 1712 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2138.5369 then. 2138.9519 1713 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2138.9519 (pause 0.47) 2139.4263 1714 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2139.4263 And I applied for it and got it, but 2141.5386 1715 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2141.5386 (pause 0.77) 2142.3080 1716 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2142.3080 you know the rest, I had to pay out of pocket. But 2144.3364 1717 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2144.3364 (pause 0.22) 2144.5602 1718 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2144.5602 I wasn't re- never well received by the kids- the- the mothers at the schools my children went to. 2149.0774 1719 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2149.0774 (pause 0.19) 2149.2686 1720 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2149.2686 Never 2149.8841 1721 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2149.8841 (pause 0.62) 2150.5042 1722 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2150.5042 ever 2150.8726 1723 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2150.8726 (pause 0.18) 2151.0533 1724 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2151.0533 ever received. 2151.9299 1725 DCB_int_01 2152.3030 Do you feel like there was ever a point- I guess, especially like, moving to Southeast because that's a different- 2157.0778 1726 DCB_int_01 2157.0778 (pause 0.26) 2157.3424 1727 DCB_int_01 2157.3424 People have a lot of different perceptions about Southeast. 2160.0515 1728 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2160.0422 I did too. 2160.7696 1729 DCB_int_01 2160.9142 [Okay.] 2161.3199 1730 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2161.1473 [I] didn't know when I come up- When I was coming up in DC, I knew nothing about the Southeast. That- just not to go there. 2167.0261 1731 DCB_int_01 2167.2126 Mm-hm. 2167.5297 1732 DCB_int_01 2167.5297 (pause 0.13) 2167.6602 1733 DCB_int_01 2167.6602 Cause Northwest is a long way from [Southeast.] 2169.9113 1734 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2169.0440 [Yeah.] 2169.8926 1735 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2170.0325 [We never rode no bus] over [there! We] were told never- 2172.8489 1736 DCB_int_01 2170.0372 [Especially as a kid.] 2171.3278 1737 DCB_int_01 2171.3278 (pause 0.27) 2171.5992 1738 DCB_int_01 2171.5992 [/Yeah/.] 2172.0655 1739 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2173.0774 you don't wanna get caught over there. 2174.5602 1740 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2174.5602 (pause 0.14) 2174.7047 1741 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2174.7047 That's what we were told. 2175.6500 1742 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2175.6500 (pause 1.79) 2177.4360 1743 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2177.4360 We were told that- And how I came to Southeast, how I came to purchase a house in Southeast- 2181.6828 1744 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2181.6828 (pause 0.59) 2182.2703 1745 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2182.2703 When I was awarded um- 2183.9723 1746 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2183.9723 (pause 0.66) 2184.6297 1747 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2184.6297 In this program to purchase a house, I only had a certain amount of time. 2187.9346 1748 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2187.9346 (pause 0.81) 2188.7413 1749 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2188.7413 Every house that I looked at 2190.1681 1750 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2190.1681 (pause 0.61) 2190.7743 1751 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2190.7743 in Northwest or off of Michigan Park, Northeast, where I really wanted to live over by /Catholic/- 2196.0282 1752 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2196.0282 (pause 0.79) 2196.8209 1753 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2196.8209 The houses were anywhere from ten to twenty thousand dollars more, could be the same identical [house.] 2201.3847 1754 DCB_int_01 2201.2262 [House.] Mm-hm. 2202.0329 1755 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2202.0515 It could be a semi detached row house, 2204.0473 1756 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2204.0473 (pause 0.54) 2204.5870 1757 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2204.5870 three bedrooms w- you know, 2205.9905 1758 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2205.9905 (pause 0.28) 2206.2750 1759 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2206.2750 one and a half baths, 2207.6599 1760 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2207.6599 (pause 0.32) 2207.9769 1761 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2207.9769 nothing any more, no fix up. 2209.7302 1762 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2209.7302 (pause 0.96) 2210.6861 1763 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2210.6861 I would look at that house over off of um, Sergeant Road. 2214.1834 1764 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2214.1834 (pause 0.30) 2214.4805 1765 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2214.4805 Come over to Southeast, look at the same house, and it's much cheaper. 2217.4730 1766 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2217.4730 (pause 2.91) 2220.3826 1767 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2220.3826 Much cheaper. 2221.0541 1768 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2221.0541 (pause 1.12) 2222.1732 1769 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2222.1732 A friend- How I came to Southeast- A friend of mine who works for the Department of Public Works at the time- 2226.6531 1770 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2226.6531 (pause 0.15) 2226.8023 1771 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2226.8023 He worked there- 2227.4691 1772 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2227.4691 (pause 0.59) 2228.0566 1773 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2228.0566 I met him in the eighties, and he- 2229.5709 1774 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2229.5709 (pause 0.36) 2229.9299 1775 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2229.9299 he said, why don't you take a look over Southeast? And I was- Everything I heard about Southeast was 2234.0146 1776 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2234.0146 (pause 0.21) 2234.2198 1777 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2234.2198 negative. 2234.9519 1778 DCB_int_01 2235.0405 Mm-hm. 2235.4823 1779 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2235.7621 So one day we drove over there, and I drove th- in this neighborhood, and I was like, 2240.0333 1780 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2240.0333 (pause 0.52) 2240.5555 1781 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2240.5555 Oh! 2240.8913 1782 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2240.8913 (pause 1.78) 2242.6713 1783 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2242.6713 Oh. 2243.0817 1784 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2243.0817 (pause 1.14) 2244.2241 1785 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2244.2241 And I found a house. 2245.2313 1786 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2245.2313 (pause 0.43) 2245.6602 1787 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2245.6602 And I bought the house. 2246.7187 1788 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2246.7187 (pause 0.39) 2247.1046 1789 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2247.1046 And I moved in the neighborhood, they were all 2249.1330 1790 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2249.1330 (pause 0.48) 2249.6132 1791 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2249.6132 teachers and everybody who had 2250.8909 1792 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2250.8909 (pause 0.53) 2251.4178 1793 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2251.4178 been teachers were retired. 2252.7234 1794 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2252.7234 (pause 0.65) 2253.3704 1795 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2253.3704 They all were professional black people. 2255.2262 1796 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2255.2262 (pause 1.41) 2256.6391 1797 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2256.6391 You know, they were all professional black people, and 2259.4881 1798 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2259.4881 (pause 1.23) 2260.7180 1799 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2260.7180 it was just wonderful. 2261.6832 1800 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2261.6832 (pause 1.60) 2263.2872 1801 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2263.2872 It was just wonderful. 2264.0799 1802 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2264.0799 (pause 0.48) 2264.5602 1803 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2264.5602 And so I left /RD-WORK-5/ in ninety six, and I went to work for 2267.6132 1804 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2267.6132 (pause 0.48) 2268.0888 1805 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2268.0888 /RD-WORK-12/ in ninety seven, 2270.7234 1806 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2270.7234 (pause 0.44) 2271.1617 1807 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2271.1617 which at the time was an HIV AIDS organization. 2273.7997 1808 DCB_int_01 2273.5596 Hm-mm. 2274.0189 1809 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2274.8862 And 2275.3199 1810 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2275.3199 (pause 0.42) 2275.7395 1811 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2275.7395 it really humbled me. 2277.1291 1812 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2277.1291 (pause 1.66) 2278.7879 1813 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2278.7879 Cause I had gotten a little wha- I got like most black people, you get a little 2281.6882 1814 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2281.6882 (pause 0.47) 2282.1592 1815 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2282.1592 educated. You know, cause I went in school between times, you know, whenever I could go to school. 2286.4106 1816 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2286.4106 (pause 0.82) 2287.2313 1817 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2287.2313 Um- 2287.7162 1818 DCB_int_01 2288.6022 Where'd you go? 2289.0684 1819 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2289.4869 My first school I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 2290.9558 1820 DCB_int_01 2291.4780 Mm. 2291.8371 1821 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2292.3313 Didn't wanna go to a black school. 2293.4924 1822 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2293.4924 (pause 0.94) 2294.4331 1823 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2294.4331 Don't- n- n- 2295.1046 1824 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2295.1046 (pause 0.85) 2295.9532 1825 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2295.9532 I don't think any of us liked ourselves at the time. 2298.0842 1826 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2298.0842 (pause 1.11) 2299.1893 1827 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2299.1893 We were saying it loud, black and I'm proud but you know, we had some issues with 2302.3123 1828 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2302.3123 (pause 0.96) 2303.2728 1829 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2303.2728 you know, we were not 2304.4199 1830 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2304.4199 (pause 1.23) 2305.6509 1831 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2305.6509 succeeding. All you heard was negative things. 2307.8926 1832 DCB_int_01 2308.3123 Right. 2308.5641 1833 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2308.9791 You know, I went to the Howard Theater, to hear- see James Brown sing, say it Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud. 2313.7621 1834 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2313.7621 (pause 0.90) 2314.6573 1835 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2314.6573 I enjoyed that 2315.7298 1836 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2315.7298 (pause 1.89) 2317.6229 1837 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2317.6229 cause I could be proud to be black. 2319.0638 1838 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2319.0638 (pause 0.76) 2319.8227 1839 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2319.8227 I musta been about- 2320.6900 1840 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2320.6900 (pause 1.37) 2322.0562 1841 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2322.0562 I musta been about fourteen, fifteen when I went. 2324.5835 1842 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2324.5835 (pause 0.48) 2325.0673 1843 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2325.0673 My first /sweatshirt/ but, 2326.5687 1844 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2326.5687 (pause 0.51) 2327.0770 1845 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2327.0770 you still had some issues. We were tryna make it, and 2329.8048 1846 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2329.8048 (pause 1.00) 2330.8027 1847 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2330.8027 you know, 2331.5068 1848 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2331.5068 (pause 0.65) 2332.1537 1849 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2332.1537 it appeared that we were trying to separate ourselves from ourselves for [lack of a better word.] 2336.5415 1850 DCB_int_01 2335.5372 [Mm. Mm.] 2336.5444 1851 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2337.0358 Black folks were getting /edumacated/, 2338.8765 1852 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2338.8765 (pause 0.67) 2339.5433 1853 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2339.5433 you know, 2340.0049 1854 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2340.0049 (pause 0.29) 2340.2940 1855 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2340.2940 and they were talking different, and 2342.2711 1856 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2342.2711 (pause 0.51) 2342.7840 1857 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2342.7840 um, 2343.0953 1858 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2343.0953 (pause 0.35) 2343.4403 1859 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2343.4403 they were 2344.0139 1860 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2344.0139 (pause 0.20) 2344.2097 1861 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2344.2097 dressing different, and they were 2345.9443 1862 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2345.9443 (pause 0.29) 2346.2381 1863 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2346.2381 living in different neighborhoods. So, 2348.4063 1864 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2348.4063 (pause 0.35) 2348.7595 1865 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2348.7595 you wanted those things. 2350.1440 1866 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2350.9698 And 2351.2775 1867 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2351.2775 (pause 0.73) 2352.0049 1868 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2352.0049 the only way you thought to have 'em was to separate 2354.0286 1869 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2354.0286 (pause 0.17) 2354.1965 1870 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2354.1965 yourself from the folks who didn't have it, 2355.8600 1871 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2355.8600 (pause 0.31) 2356.1677 1872 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2356.1677 not understanding that those are the same folks who 2358.3686 1873 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2358.3686 (pause 0.23) 2358.5971 1874 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2358.5971 got it, 2359.0261 1875 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2359.0261 (pause 0.12) 2359.1473 1876 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2359.1473 or the same folks who didn't [have it.] 2360.5509 1877 DCB_int_01 2360.2664 [Have] it. Yeah. 2360.9146 1878 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2361.8413 So once you learned those things, 2363.3474 1879 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2363.3474 (pause 0.98) 2364.3313 1880 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2364.3313 and I really have to say, coming to /RD-WORK-12/ ham- humbled me. 2368.6154 1881 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2368.6154 (pause 0.95) 2369.5619 1882 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2369.5619 It really did because 2371.1520 1883 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2371.1520 (pause 0.38) 2371.5297 1884 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2371.5297 when I'm- 2371.9120 1885 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2371.9120 (pause 0.18) 2372.0892 1886 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2372.0892 w- was at /RD-SCHOOL-3/, 2373.2783 1887 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2373.2783 (pause 1.04) 2374.3216 1888 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2374.3216 /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was an all girls school. 2376.7510 1889 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2376.7510 (pause 2.28) 2379.0346 1890 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2379.0346 There was no support there, 2380.2284 1891 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2380.2284 (pause 0.44) 2380.6667 1892 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2380.6667 uh, of any kind for me. 2381.9676 1893 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2381.9676 (pause 1.46) 2383.4271 1894 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2383.4271 And then it was too expensive, 2384.7514 1895 DCB_int_01 2384.9927 Mm. 2385.2165 1896 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2385.1279 so I wind up 2385.9579 1897 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2386.3309 you know, I went there for a whole- almost a year and a half. 2389.0867 1898 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2389.0867 (pause 0.54) 2389.6229 1899 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2389.6229 and then I wind up going to 2390.8493 1900 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2390.8493 (pause 0.23) 2391.0813 1901 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2391.0813 /RD-SCHOOL-3/, 2391.7854 1902 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2391.7854 (pause 1.60) 2393.3894 1903 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2393.3894 where all the love and support 2394.7323 1904 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2394.7323 (pause 0.24) 2394.9701 1905 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2394.9701 was there. 2395.5763 1906 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2395.5763 (pause 0.83) 2396.4016 1907 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2396.4016 And my professor, 2397.3715 1908 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2397.3715 (pause 0.49) 2397.8646 1909 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2397.8646 one of my professors in Sociology, 2399.8044 1910 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2399.8044 (pause 0.72) 2400.5272 1911 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2400.5272 Doctor /RD-NAME-5/, 2401.7302 1912 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2401.7302 (pause 0.70) 2402.4343 1913 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2402.4343 God rest his soul- 2403.5849 1914 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2403.5849 (pause 2.77) 2406.3593 1915 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2406.3593 I was talking to him one day, and he said, oh, come work for me. 2408.6721 1916 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2408.6721 (pause 0.39) 2409.0638 1917 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2409.0638 And that's how I came to /RD-NAME-5/ and 2411.0910 1918 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2411.0910 (pause 0.55) 2411.6412 1919 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2411.6412 understood what they were doing. And the- they were doing community work and 2414.9379 1920 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2414.9379 (pause 0.46) 2415.3937 1921 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2415.3937 social work and 2416.3869 1922 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2416.3869 (pause 0.51) 2416.8951 1923 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2416.8951 caring about the people and, 2418.4572 1924 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2418.4572 (pause 0.66) 2419.1147 1925 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2419.1147 we got to help our people cause if we don't help ['em ain't] nobody gonna help 'em. But 2422.6713 1926 DCB_int_01 2421.1792 [Mm.] 2421.4170 1927 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2423.2915 I went through all the, you know- 2424.6764 1928 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2424.6764 (pause 0.24) 2424.9142 1929 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2424.9142 I mean I'm a- I'm fifty seven, 2426.3830 1930 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2426.3830 (pause 0.14) 2426.5275 1931 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2426.5275 so 2426.9752 1932 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2426.9752 (pause 0.68) 2427.6595 1933 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2427.6595 I saw the riots, 2428.7646 1934 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2428.7646 (pause 0.17) 2428.9371 1935 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2428.9371 and s- experienced and saw the impact of 'em, the neighborhoods tore up. 2432.5602 1936 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2432.5602 (pause 0.89) 2433.4543 1937 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2433.4543 And then I saw the segregation even more, 2435.6086 1938 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2435.6086 (pause 0.83) 2436.4339 1939 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2436.4339 but I always saw that 2437.5530 1940 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2437.5530 (pause 0.84) 2438.3970 1941 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2438.3970 we got less. 2439.2736 1942 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2439.2736 (pause 0.58) 2439.8553 1943 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2439.8553 We always got less. 2440.8672 1944 DCB_int_01 2440.9884 Mm. 2441.2682 1945 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2441.7858 Because the few- the little bit of time that I had to /dab/ into, 2445.1850 1946 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2445.1850 (pause 0.30) 2445.4869 1947 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2445.4869 how white people lived and what they were doing. 2447.6738 1948 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2447.6738 (pause 0.95) 2448.6204 1949 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2448.6204 They did it off the backs of our- our people. 2450.5928 1950 DCB_int_01 2453.8231 Do you feel like now that's even more so? 2456.0286 1951 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2456.0379 Oh, 2456.6022 1952 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2456.6022 (pause 0.13) 2456.7327 1953 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2456.7327 God yes (whispering). 2457.7947 1954 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2457.7947 (pause 1.24) 2459.0350 1955 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2459.0350 I think it's because we live in a reality world now, 2462.0379 1956 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2462.0379 (pause 0.64) 2462.6814 1957 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2462.6814 so everybody's saying what they want and doing what they want. 2465.1796 1958 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2465.1796 (pause 0.53) 2465.7112 1959 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2465.7112 So nobody's biting their tongue 2466.8862 1960 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2466.8862 (pause 0.86) 2467.7442 1961 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2467.7442 cause they don't have to. People are starting up their own businesses. 2470.2563 1962 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2470.2563 (pause 0.20) 2470.4568 1963 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2470.4568 They're not relying on the government money where they have to be cautious, 2473.0121 1964 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2473.0121 (pause 0.21) 2473.2219 1965 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2473.2219 so they can say what they want and treat people the way they wanna treat 'em. 2475.4088 1966 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2475.4088 (pause 1.37) 2476.7739 1967 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2476.7739 Or not. 2477.4407 1968 DCB_int_01 2477.7485 Mm. 2478.0189 1969 DCB_int_01 2478.0189 (pause 0.72) 2478.7370 1970 DCB_int_01 2478.7370 Do you feel like DC like- Cause of- You know, it's changed- 2481.5860 1971 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2481.7061 When I was coming up, it was called the Chocolate City. 2483.8371 1972 DCB_int_01 2484.2194 And [when-] 2484.6624 1973 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2484.3593 [Something]- This regentrification really- has really angered me 2488.1211 1974 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2488.5454 because why couldn't we get 2489.8371 1975 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2489.8371 (pause 0.48) 2490.3127 1976 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2490.3127 regentrification for people who work every day. 2492.5462 1977 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2492.5462 (pause 0.29) 2492.8400 1978 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2492.8400 DC was built for people who 2494.4848 1979 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2494.4848 (pause 0.38) 2494.8625 1980 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2494.8625 work for the government, who caught busses to work. 2497.0261 1981 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2497.0261 (pause 0.33) 2497.3572 1982 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2497.3572 These people- 2497.8887 1983 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2497.8887 (pause 0.13) 2498.0146 1984 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2498.0146 People worked. 2498.8027 1985 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2498.8027 (pause 1.24) 2500.0418 1986 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2500.0418 They were working people. 2501.1236 1987 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2501.1236 (pause 0.61) 2501.7345 1988 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2501.7345 You didn't need a car in DC! 2503.0541 1989 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2503.0541 (pause 0.68) 2503.7302 1990 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2503.7302 I caught DC transit everywhere 2505.6735 1991 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2505.6735 (pause 0.13) 2505.8040 1992 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2505.8040 before I got a car. 2506.6294 1993 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2506.6294 (pause 1.17) 2507.7951 1994 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2507.7951 My children went to- w- caught the bus to school. 2509.7675 1995 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2509.7675 (pause 0.48) 2510.2478 1996 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2510.2478 We didn't even think about a car. We never even thought about driving- using a car 2513.2728 1997 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2513.2728 (pause 0.97) 2514.2427 1998 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2514.2427 til I got around some white folks. 2515.4877 1999 DCB_int_01 2517.2258 And that changed /you/? 2517.9486 2000 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2517.9486 That ch- really did. It changed everything because 2520.1355 2001 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2520.4013 that's what you supposed to have. 2521.8639 2002 DCB_int_01 2522.7549 Mm. 2523.1279 2003 DCB_int_01 2523.1279 (pause 0.07) 2523.2025 2004 DCB_int_01 2523.2025 And that was -Especially in Northwest, right? Because that's- that's right away from 2526.9282 2005 DCB_int_01 2526.9282 (pause 0.32) 2527.2499 2006 DCB_int_01 2527.2499 the Cap- I mean, it's cl- it's far enough away from the Capital so they could be away, but it's close enough they could /inaudible/. 2532.2147 2007 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2531.4034 [I was right at the Gold] [Coast.] 2532.9981 2008 DCB_int_01 2532.8582 [Mm-hm.] 2533.4271 2009 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2533.6929 So, 2534.3550 2010 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2534.3550 (pause 0.51) 2534.8621 2011 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2534.8621 you know, it was, 2535.9206 2012 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2535.9206 (pause 0.12) 2536.0418 2013 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2536.0418 you know, 2536.4615 2014 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2536.4615 (pause 0.25) 2536.7133 2015 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2536.7133 you were kind of in between, caught it- 2538.5831 2016 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2538.5831 (pause 0.22) 2538.8069 2017 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2538.8069 you know, 2539.1567 2018 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2539.1567 (pause 0.68) 2539.8328 2019 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2539.8328 in between. 2540.5275 2020 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2540.5275 (pause 1.12) 2541.6502 2021 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2541.6502 But um, 2542.4428 2022 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2542.4428 (pause 1.14) 2543.5853 2023 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2543.5853 it was clear, 2544.3313 2024 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2544.3313 (pause 0.27) 2544.5971 2025 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2544.5971 you know, 2545.1054 2026 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2545.1054 (pause 1.15) 2546.2571 2027 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2546.2571 that 2546.7234 2028 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2546.7234 (pause 2.64) 2549.3661 2029 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2549.3661 they had it. 2549.9676 2030 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2549.9676 (pause 0.91) 2550.8769 2031 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2550.8769 You know, Mr. /RD-NAME-2/, my history teacher used to try to teach it to us, black history, 2555.3288 2032 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2555.3288 (pause 0.82) 2556.1448 2033 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2556.1448 and I took government, 2557.5017 2034 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2557.5017 (pause 0.28) 2557.7815 2035 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2557.7815 loved government 2558.6395 2036 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2558.6395 (pause 0.17) 2558.8120 2037 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2558.8120 cause that's when you learned about, 2560.1444 2038 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2560.1444 (pause 1.02) 2561.1656 2039 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2561.1656 you know, how it works. 2562.3733 2040 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2562.3733 (pause 0.55) 2562.9188 2041 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2562.9188 That made sense, and then you- 2564.4156 2042 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2564.4156 (pause 0.61) 2565.0300 2043 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2565.0300 I was 2565.5569 2044 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2565.5569 (pause 0.77) 2566.3263 2045 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2566.3263 treated in different cause of my complexion. 2568.1028 2046 DCB_int_01 2569.7628 You feel like even within 2570.9181 2047 DCB_int_01 2570.9181 (pause 0.19) 2571.1046 2048 DCB_int_01 2571.1046 [the black ra- mm.] 2572.9091 2049 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2571.3098 [My own community, I was] treated different i- because of my complexion. [Peo-] 2575.3665 2050 DCB_int_01 2574.9375 [And why do you] say that? 2575.9120 2051 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2576.4110 Oh, I remember when my 2578.0278 2052 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2578.0278 (pause 1.30) 2579.3241 2053 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2579.3241 grandfather died. /And then/ when my mother's brother died, and 2582.5462 2054 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2582.5462 (pause 0.14) 2582.6849 2055 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2582.6849 people- family come around, and 2584.4289 2056 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2584.4289 (pause 0.71) 2585.1376 2057 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2585.1376 I had real thick hair, 2586.5831 2058 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2586.5831 (pause 0.55) 2587.1380 2059 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2587.1380 somewhat- a decent- you know, nice long /length/. 2589.7994 2060 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2589.7994 (pause 3.61) 2593.4084 2061 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2593.4084 They would say, that's /RD-NAME-4/'s dau- daughter. 2595.3575 2062 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2595.3575 (pause 1.78) 2597.1423 2063 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2597.1423 She's not bad looking for a dark skinned child. 2599.5763 2064 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2599.5763 (pause 1.97) 2601.5429 2065 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2601.5429 You hear those things coming [up as a ch-] 2603.2728 2066 DCB_int_01 2602.6340 [And you still hear] now. 2603.7251 2067 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2604.0329 [You know], 2604.5458 2068 DCB_int_01 2604.0376 [That is] not- I'm not [surprised.] 2606.0333 2069 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2605.3945 [when I was coming] up, 2606.4110 2070 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2607.6688 even when I 2608.3216 2071 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2608.3216 (pause 0.15) 2608.4708 2072 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2608.4708 separated, or even when I was interested in other people while I was married, cause I was in high school, 2613.7621 2073 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2613.7621 (pause 0.78) 2614.5408 2074 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2614.5408 they weren't interested in me because um, 2616.4992 2075 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2616.4992 (pause 0.13) 2616.6297 2076 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2616.6297 I was just a girl. They were probably interested in me more because 2619.6688 2077 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2619.6688 (pause 0.43) 2620.0978 2078 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2620.0978 I was married. I was probably more- a- ap- i- I probably appeared 2623.7302 2079 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2623.7302 (pause 0.42) 2624.1498 2080 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2624.1498 to them like I had more worldly sense than 2626.6633 2081 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2626.6633 (pause 0.40) 2627.0677 2082 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2627.0677 the average girl. 2628.0282 2083 DCB_int_01 2628.0236 Mm-hm. 2628.5458 2084 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2629.1846 But 2629.4831 2085 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2629.4831 (pause 1.89) 2631.3750 2086 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2631.3750 I've always been- oh, she's so black. 2632.9604 2087 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2632.9604 (pause 0.96) 2633.9210 2088 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2633.9210 She smart but she black. 2635.2219 2089 DCB_int_01 2637.5895 [Do you think that made difference like-] 2639.0397 2090 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2639.0164 [Oh.] 2639.7438 2091 DCB_int_01 2639.1656 [in your resour-] Like, the access you had to resources, and like, 2642.5882 2092 DCB_int_01 2642.7840 your experience, 2643.7714 2093 DCB_int_01 2643.7714 (pause 0.70) 2644.4708 2094 DCB_int_01 2644.4708 not even just within your own community, but I'm just saying navigating the city. 2647.4691 2095 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2648.1452 I would see people who were fair skinned and- that would be treated differently. 2651.5573 2096 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2651.5573 (pause 0.44) 2651.9956 2097 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2651.9956 I was in sixth grade. This girl's name was /RD-NAME-4/. She was w- 2655.2725 2098 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2655.2725 (pause 0.14) 2655.4123 2099 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2655.4123 She was very fair skinned with wavy hair, 2657.6086 2100 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2657.6086 (pause 0.35) 2657.9536 2101 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2657.9536 pig tails. 2658.5318 2102 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2658.5318 (pause 0.29) 2658.8209 2103 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2658.8209 My hair was pig tails and 2660.9099 2104 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2660.9099 (pause 0.45) 2661.3622 2105 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2661.3622 um, happy to nappy. 2662.6713 2106 DCB_int_01 2662.8625 Mm-hm. 2663.1703 2107 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2663.7438 That little girl got treated- 2665.3105 2108 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2665.3105 (pause 0.15) 2665.4597 2109 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2665.4597 and this was sixth grade- 2666.7420 2110 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2666.7420 (pause 0.53) 2667.2736 2111 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2667.2736 My teacher, Miss /RD-NAME-2/, 2668.7040 2112 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2668.7040 (pause 0.88) 2669.5806 2113 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2669.5806 treated that little girl different than she treated everybody else. 2672.4156 2114 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2672.4156 (pause 0.48) 2672.8948 2115 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2672.8948 /Hear what I tell you/. 2673.7248 2116 DCB_int_01 2674.6573 And she was black? 2675.3008 2117 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2675.6272 She was black. Cause her mother was dark, real [dark.] 2677.9979 2118 DCB_int_01 2677.8188 [I mean] no, the teacher was black? 2679.0405 2119 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2679.0405 Yeah the teacher was black, 2679.9952 2120 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2680.5128 but she treated her different- That's when I started learning about it in school. 2683.4691 2121 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2683.4691 (pause 0.76) 2684.2245 2122 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2684.2245 But yeah, 2684.7607 2123 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2684.7607 (pause 0.18) 2684.9425 2124 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2684.9425 I started really paying attention cause when I was in high school, wasn't no white kids in the 2688.4199 2125 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2688.4199 (pause 0.18) 2688.6018 2126 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2688.6018 high school. 2689.1800 2127 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2689.1800 (pause 0.59) 2689.7675 2128 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2689.7675 Um, 2690.1125 2129 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2690.1125 (pause 0.95) 2691.0673 2130 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2691.0673 the teachers were teachers. You know, w- you didn't have many black- uh, white teachers, but there were a few. 2695.5623 2131 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2695.5623 (pause 0.48) 2696.0426 2132 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2696.0426 I only had one. 2696.8586 2133 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2696.8586 (pause 0.54) 2697.4030 2134 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2697.4030 Um, and then when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/, um, 2699.7485 2135 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2699.7485 (pause 0.26) 2700.0096 2136 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2700.0096 they were all white. 2700.6391 2137 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2700.6391 (pause 0.14) 2700.7743 2138 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2700.7743 There weren't no black teachers there. 2701.8981 2139 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2701.8981 (pause 1.19) 2703.0859 2140 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2703.0859 But um, 2703.8087 2141 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2703.8087 (pause 0.43) 2704.2377 2142 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2704.2377 when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/, 2705.6552 2143 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2705.6552 (pause 0.30) 2705.9536 2144 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2705.9536 it was totally different. 2706.9841 2145 DCB_int_01 2707.2499 Now did you go when it was separate campuses or when it was the 2709.8973 2146 DCB_int_01 2709.8973 (pause 0.19) 2710.0885 2147 DCB_int_01 2710.0885 /RD-SCHOOL-2/ campus, or did you go when it was like, in different parts of the [city?] 2713.7955 2148 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2713.7115 [It was] just /RD-SCHOOL-2/ campus when I- Well, see it was /RD-SCHOOL-6/ [/down there/.] 2717.6412 2149 DCB_int_01 2717.0817 [Mm, right, okay.] Mm-hm. 2718.1401 2150 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2718.2800 Okay, I only went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ campus. [By the time] I went, 2720.8166 2151 DCB_int_01 2719.9260 [Okay.] 2720.2664 2152 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2721.2025 a majority of the, you know, s- classes were- disciplines and things were 2724.7417 2153 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2724.7417 (pause 0.35) 2725.0867 2154 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2725.0867 on campus. 2725.9167 2155 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2725.9167 (pause 1.10) 2727.0207 2156 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2727.0207 And um, 2727.8740 2157 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2727.8740 (pause 2.49) 2730.3640 2158 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2730.3640 it made a big difference. 2731.5437 2159 DCB_int_01 2733.0953 [/Cause it felt like/] profess- It wasn't like, 2734.8672 2160 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2733.1932 [I felt like-] 2733.7201 2161 DCB_int_01 2734.9977 people right out of high school. It [wasn't your traditional] [college] [student.] 2737.8887 2162 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2736.1122 [No.] 2736.6344 2163 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2736.6344 (pause 0.41) 2737.0447 2164 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2737.0447 [Mm-mm.] 2737.4737 2165 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2737.4737 (pause 0.19) 2737.6602 2166 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2737.6602 [It wasn't-] it- Right. There were older people there. There were teachers there. Um, 2742.3873 2167 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2744.5555 it was 2744.8586 2168 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2744.8586 (pause 0.54) 2745.3984 2169 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2745.3984 diverse in terms of 2746.4522 2170 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2746.4522 (pause 0.50) 2746.9558 2171 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2746.9558 edu- you know the, uh, educators. 2748.9095 2172 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2748.9095 (pause 0.55) 2749.4597 2173 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2749.4597 You know, we had a lot of Indians. We had a lot of um- 2752.1398 2174 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2752.1398 (pause 2.18) 2754.3220 2175 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2754.3220 lot of Indians, lot of Africans. 2756.0519 2176 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2756.0519 (pause 0.51) 2756.5602 2177 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2756.5602 You know, 2756.9973 2178 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2756.9973 (pause 0.21) 2757.2025 2179 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2757.2025 in terms of- 2758.1025 2180 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2758.1025 (pause 0.43) 2758.5361 2181 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2758.5361 It seemed like a lot to us. If it was 2760.2334 2182 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2760.2334 (pause 0.39) 2760.6251 2183 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2760.6251 probably more than three, it was a lot. 2761.8468 2184 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2761.8468 (pause 0.81) 2762.6581 2185 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2762.6581 But- 2763.6500 2186 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2763.6500 (pause 0.81) 2764.4615 2187 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2764.4615 But that's where I c- 2765.2868 2188 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2765.2868 (pause 0.20) 2765.4873 2189 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2765.4873 You know, those are the things that you start 2767.2079 2190 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2767.2079 (pause 0.14) 2767.3478 2191 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2767.3478 learning about who you are. You start reading. You start 2770.2750 2192 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2770.2750 (pause 0.85) 2771.1236 2193 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2771.1236 tryna understand, you know. 2772.8862 2194 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2772.8862 (pause 0.22) 2773.1054 2195 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2773.1054 Um- 2773.6323 2196 DCB_int_01 2773.7861 What do you think is your most influential or your favorite book? 2776.6760 2197 DCB_int_01 2776.6760 (pause 1.17) 2777.8417 2198 DCB_int_01 2777.8417 And it could been that you read [during that time-] 2779.8794 2199 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2778.9701 [Race Matter.] 2779.7675 2200 DCB_int_01 2780.3597 Which one? 2780.7094 2201 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2780.7747 Race Matters. 2781.5394 2202 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2781.5394 (pause 0.35) 2781.8880 2203 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2781.8880 [Cornel W-] 2782.4946 2204 DCB_int_01 2782.1398 [Cornel West?] 2782.8392 2205 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2784.9142 Mm-hm. 2785.2872 2206 DCB_int_01 2786.3877 Did you see him just recently? He was at uh, 2788.3030 2207 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2788.2890 [Howard.] 2788.7599 2208 DCB_int_01 2788.5408 [Howard?] 2788.9278 2209 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2789.2309 I usually see him every time he comes to Howard. 2791.5577 2210 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2791.5577 (pause 0.22) 2791.7768 2211 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2791.7768 He does something to me that- 2793.6500 2212 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2793.6500 (pause 4.81) 2798.4551 2213 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2798.4551 I think black people are scared of him 2800.0592 2214 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2800.0592 (pause 0.11) 2800.1664 2215 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2800.1664 so much. You know, people treat [him-] 2801.8669 2216 DCB_int_01 2801.5874 [He's insightful.] He makes [you-] 2802.8954 2217 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2802.7392 [He] just [makes you think. Right.] 2804.6649 2218 DCB_int_01 2803.3966 [He incites] 2804.5111 2219 DCB_int_01 2805.2478 emotion. 2806.0265 2220 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2806.1804 Right. 2806.4555 2221 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2806.4555 (pause 0.81) 2807.2610 2222 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2807.2610 Him. 2807.6620 2223 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2807.6620 (pause 0.70) 2808.3615 2224 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2808.3615 Him. 2808.7252 2225 DCB_int_01 2810.0121 Have you read most of his stuff? 2811.5988 2226 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2811.9939 Most of it. I have- /Well/- 2812.8787 2227 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2812.8787 (pause 0.20) 2813.0792 2228 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2813.0792 That one he signed for me, and so that's very n- dear to me. 2816.2733 2229 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2816.2733 (pause 0.56) 2816.8328 2230 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2816.8328 Um, 2817.3038 2231 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2817.3038 (pause 1.61) 2818.9113 2232 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2818.9113 one of the things I think h- 2820.4361 2233 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2820.4361 (pause 0.39) 2820.8278 2234 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2820.8278 we missed the boat on is learning about finances 2823.6395 2235 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2823.6395 (pause 0.14) 2823.7747 2236 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2823.7747 at a very y- young age. 2824.9766 2237 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2824.9766 (pause 1.02) 2825.9978 2238 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2825.9978 I think we missed that boat, but we were too /bigsy/ tryna survive. So we- 2829.1918 2239 DCB_int_01 2829.3038 [It wasn't about the checking] and savings [account. It was] just [tryna /get to the next day/.] 2832.8977 2240 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2829.4157 [What was finance?] 2830.5021 2241 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2830.5021 (pause 0.62) 2831.1211 2242 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2831.1211 [Wasn't no-] 2831.4009 2243 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2831.4009 (pause 0.14) 2831.5408 2244 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2831.5408 [Wasn't about finance when th- n-] 2833.0562 2245 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2833.1821 It was about making it. 2833.9981 2246 DCB_int_01 2834.3199 [Mm-hm.] 2834.8188 2247 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2834.5577 [So] 2834.9820 2248 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2835.1033 you know, um, 2835.9193 2249 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2835.9193 (pause 0.56) 2836.4777 2250 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2836.4777 even though there were black people who were, 2838.0351 2251 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2838.0351 (pause 0.44) 2838.4780 2252 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2838.4780 I think for poor black people, 2840.1287 2253 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2840.1287 (pause 0.40) 2840.5297 2254 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2840.5297 you know, you were just trying to 2841.7887 2255 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2841.7887 (pause 0.30) 2842.0906 2256 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2842.0906 make ends meet. 2842.8647 2257 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2842.8647 (pause 0.74) 2843.6014 2258 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2843.6014 But um, 2844.3755 2259 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2844.3755 (pause 0.95) 2845.3267 2260 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2845.3267 you didn't feel poor. 2846.4085 2261 DCB_int_01 2847.5229 Mm-hm. 2847.9332 2262 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2848.0860 Your table was clean. It wasn't like you ate on no crate or nothing- 2851.1355 2263 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2851.1355 (pause 0.30) 2851.4339 2264 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2851.4339 My mother had table cloths and 2853.2292 2265 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2853.2292 (pause 0.60) 2853.8260 2266 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2853.8260 f- plates [and-] 2854.9673 2267 DCB_int_01 2854.6921 [And you] cared about 2855.7133 2268 DCB_int_01 2856.0584 what things looked [like. It wasn't just any kind of way.] 2858.4424 2269 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2856.0630 [Yeah.] 2856.7532 2270 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2856.7532 (pause 0.23) 2856.9863 2271 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2856.9863 [My mother cared about- It was] about- Yeah. Appearance was [everything.] 2860.1233 2272 DCB_int_01 2859.8808 [Thing.] Mm-hm. 2860.6269 2273 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2860.9906 Appearance was 2861.8905 2274 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2861.8905 (pause 0.30) 2862.1889 2275 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2862.1889 everything. 2863.1635 2276 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2863.1635 (pause 1.09) 2864.2546 2277 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2864.2546 You didn't go out the house with your hair not combed. Your clothes had to be ironed. 2868.0817 2278 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2868.0817 (pause 0.42) 2868.5014 2279 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2868.5014 And I think I in- I instilled that with my children. 2871.0659 2280 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2871.0659 (pause 0.61) 2871.6768 2281 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2871.6768 They- 2872.0032 2282 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2872.0032 (pause 0.35) 2872.3564 2283 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2872.3564 They couldn't go out the house until 2874.5713 2284 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2874.5713 (pause 1.02) 2875.5878 2285 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2875.5878 they were well groomed, and I would change their clothes twice a day. Appearance was a big deal. 2880.0957 2286 DCB_int_01 2880.5107 Mm. 2880.9303 2287 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2881.0096 Appearance was a big deal. 2881.9795 2288 DCB_int_01 2882.2546 Cause that's what the first thing people see. They judge you before you can open your [mouth.] 2885.5128 2289 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2885.0559 [Honey], 2885.4615 2290 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2885.5968 appearance- 2886.3335 2291 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2886.3335 (pause 0.48) 2886.8138 2292 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2886.8138 When my ch- We would get on the bus, they were well- w- 2889.1266 2293 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2889.1266 (pause 0.14) 2889.2665 2294 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2889.2665 well groomed, well cleaned, everything. Whenever they went anywhere- 2892.9785 2295 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2892.9785 (pause 0.48) 2893.4619 2296 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2893.4619 Um, 2893.8722 2297 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2893.8722 (pause 0.39) 2894.2639 2298 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2894.2639 my mother even taught us that. 2895.4670 2299 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2895.4670 (pause 0.19) 2895.6535 2300 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2895.6535 You know, um, 2896.5254 2301 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2896.5254 (pause 0.44) 2896.9673 2302 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2896.9673 children will be seen and not [heard], so that mean that 2899.5831 2303 DCB_int_01 2898.3242 [Heard.] 2898.6552 2304 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2899.6997 appearance was everything, 2900.7908 2305 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2900.7908 (pause 0.16) 2900.9494 2306 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2900.9494 you know, and 2901.8073 2307 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2901.8073 (pause 0.59) 2902.3937 2308 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2902.3937 we caught the b- I remember 2903.5874 2309 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2903.5874 (pause 0.16) 2903.7460 2310 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2903.7460 my mother 2904.3288 2311 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2904.3288 (pause 2.00) 2906.3245 2312 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2906.3245 talking about Garfinckel's- You don't know nothing about Garfinckel's and 2909.3916 2313 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2909.3916 (pause 0.42) 2909.8159 2314 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2909.8159 Woodies and 2910.8184 2315 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2910.8184 (pause 0.68) 2911.4992 2316 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2911.4992 Julius Lansburgh's. Those were the stores black people couldn't go into 2915.4755 2317 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2915.4755 (pause 0.45) 2915.9278 2318 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2915.9278 for a long time. 2916.9303 2319 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2916.9303 (pause 1.75) 2918.6789 2320 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2918.6789 They couldn't go in those stores until 2920.2317 2321 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2920.2317 (pause 0.88) 2921.1071 2322 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2921.1071 the seventies. 2921.9045 2323 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2921.9045 (pause 2.40) 2924.3059 2324 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2924.3059 Garfinckel's was a high end store 2926.0964 2325 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2926.0964 (pause 0.90) 2926.9999 2326 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2926.9999 that was on Fourteenth Street. Actually, on Fourteenth and um, 2930.1520 2327 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2930.1520 (pause 0.88) 2931.0286 2328 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2931.0286 G Street. 2931.8073 2329 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2931.8073 (pause 1.08) 2932.8880 2330 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2932.8880 On- Um- Then there was Julius Lansburgh's that was on Seventh Street. And then there was um, Woodies. 2939.1491 2331 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2939.1491 (pause 1.50) 2940.6506 2332 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2940.6506 And then there was Hecht's. 2941.7697 2333 DCB_int_01 2942.7768 I know Hecht's. 2943.5882 2334 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2943.7281 Mm-hm. 2944.2363 2335 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2944.2363 (pause 0.54) 2944.7807 2336 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2944.7807 The original Hecht's 2945.8392 2337 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2945.8392 (pause 1.56) 2947.3966 2338 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2947.3966 before it became Macy's and all of that. 2949.2126 2339 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2949.2126 (pause 0.28) 2949.4903 2340 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2949.4903 But 2949.7794 2341 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2949.7794 (pause 0.92) 2950.6968 2342 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2950.6968 Hecht's. 2951.2191 2343 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2951.2191 (pause 0.61) 2951.8252 2344 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2951.8252 And 2952.3381 2345 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2952.3381 (pause 1.08) 2953.4199 2346 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2953.4199 you know, but we didn't shop at no- no- none of those stores. We shopped at 2956.7761 2347 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2956.7761 (pause 0.62) 2957.3962 2348 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2957.3962 Morton's, MacBride's, 2959.4619 2349 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2959.4619 (pause 1.31) 2960.7768 2350 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2960.7768 um, 2961.3877 2351 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2961.3877 (pause 1.45) 2962.8367 2352 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2962.8367 /Sears and ??/, 2963.8066 2353 DCB_int_01 2964.0630 Mm. 2964.2635 2354 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2964.2822 maybe. 2964.7112 2355 DCB_int_01 2966.3758 When do you feel like, 2967.6675 2356 DCB_int_01 2967.6675 (pause 1.50) 2969.1631 2357 DCB_int_01 2969.1631 you 2969.4382 2358 DCB_int_01 2969.4382 (pause 0.42) 2969.8579 2359 DCB_int_01 2969.8579 no longer just had to survive, but you kind of- Not- 2972.1800 2360 DCB_int_01 2972.1800 (pause 0.28) 2972.4598 2361 DCB_int_01 2972.4598 That you arrived. That you were at just a good 2974.6408 2362 DCB_int_01 2974.6408 (pause 0.44) 2975.0792 2363 DCB_int_01 2975.0792 place. 2975.6667 2364 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2975.6667 I haven't gotten there yet. 2976.5760 2365 DCB_int_01 2977.5925 Still on that journey. 2978.4738 2366 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2979.0100 I haven't gotten there yet. 2979.9612 2367 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2979.9612 (pause 0.28) 2980.2398 2368 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2980.2398 As a matter of act, it's ironic you should say that. It was just the other day- 2983.6577 2369 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2983.6577 (pause 0.83) 2984.4924 2370 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2984.4924 I have a very dear friend who's a therapist and 2986.7947 2371 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2986.7947 (pause 0.55) 2987.3449 2372 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2987.3449 sometimes when I'm talking to her, she's being a therapist I can tell. And sometimes she's being a friend. 2992.1244 2373 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2992.1244 (pause 0.99) 2993.1118 2374 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2993.1118 And she said, you've been in survival mode all your life. 2995.6065 2375 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2995.6065 (pause 0.15) 2995.7557 2376 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2995.7557 You don't know what it's like not to be. 2997.6441 2377 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2997.6441 (pause 0.45) 2998.0918 2378 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 2998.0918 Because I'm always tryna make sure things are in place. 3001.0984 2379 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3001.0984 (pause 0.93) 3002.0261 2380 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3002.0261 I'm always afraid of not having enough food, not having enough money. 3005.3216 2381 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3005.3216 (pause 0.74) 3006.0584 2382 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3006.0584 Those are issues for me. 3007.1495 2383 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3007.1495 (pause 0.59) 3007.7417 2384 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3007.7417 And I don't mean I have to be rich or anything, 3009.4623 2385 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3009.4623 (pause 0.42) 3009.8855 2386 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3009.8855 but making sure everything is covered. 3011.5175 2387 DCB_int_01 3012.4594 And so what do- You still work with 3014.1567 2388 DCB_int_01 3014.1567 (pause 0.29) 3014.4504 2389 DCB_int_01 3014.4504 family services. 3015.9659 2390 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3015.9845 /RD-WORK-12/. I've been there for seventeen years. 3019.5232 2391 DCB_int_01 3020.4178 And do you still do HIV counseling? 3022.2410 2392 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3022.5243 No, I do not. I- I have 3024.2449 2393 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3024.2449 (pause 0.22) 3024.4687 2394 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3024.4687 become a manager 3025.7277 2395 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3025.7277 (pause 0.31) 3026.0354 2396 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3026.0354 there. M- 3026.7862 2397 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3026.7862 (pause 0.51) 3027.2944 2398 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3027.2944 project director, project manager. 3029.5641 2399 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3029.5641 (pause 0.63) 3030.1983 2400 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3030.1983 Um, 3030.8837 2401 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3030.8837 (pause 0.18) 3031.0609 2402 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3031.0609 I don't do direct client service 3032.8608 2403 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3032.8608 (pause 0.60) 3033.4576 2404 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3033.4576 um, 3033.9985 2405 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3033.9985 (pause 0.36) 3034.3564 2406 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3034.3564 directly, but you know, if clients come to me who were my clients years ago, 3038.5484 2407 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3038.5484 (pause 0.40) 3038.9494 2408 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3038.9494 I'm always gonna make time for 'em. 3040.2725 2409 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3040.2725 (pause 0.45) 3040.7248 2410 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3040.7248 I can remember a time I wouldn't even hug my client. 3042.7951 2411 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3042.7951 (pause 0.27) 3043.0609 2412 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3043.0609 I hug 'em to death. 3044.1380 2413 DCB_int_01 3045.4530 Was that before- that- Was that because you were f- like, 3047.8112 2414 DCB_int_01 3047.8112 (pause 0.19) 3047.9977 2415 DCB_int_01 3047.9977 that was the big [fear? /inaudible/] 3049.5925 2416 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3048.5666 [I thought I was too cute.] 3049.8582 2417 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3050.0308 Come on now! 3050.7722 2418 DCB_int_01 3050.6090 [Oh, okay. I thought it was like], I was gonna get AIDS [or something. Cause that was a big thing, that-] 3054.7485 2419 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3051.2711 [I thought I was-] 3052.0824 2420 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3052.0824 (pause 1.01) 3053.0931 2421 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3053.0931 [Uh- No, I thought I had arrived.] I was a s- Well, it was a control piece for me, 3058.0405 2422 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3058.3797 you know. 3058.7528 2423 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3058.7528 (pause 0.34) 3059.0931 2424 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3059.0931 [That-] 3059.3543 2425 DCB_int_01 3059.1957 [To] keep [it separate-] 3059.9045 2426 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3059.5501 [maintains] 3060.6086 2427 DCB_int_01 3060.1050 [Mm.] 3060.5899 2428 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3060.7531 image 3061.3220 2429 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3061.3220 (pause 0.39) 3061.7137 2430 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3061.7137 separate. 3062.2593 2431 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3062.2593 (pause 0.46) 3062.7209 2432 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3062.7209 But doing all that, it doesn't mean you can't care about people. 3065.1304 2433 DCB_int_01 3065.8532 Mm. 3066.2169 2434 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3067.2800 So /RD-WORK-5/ really helped restore my caring about 3070.3389 2435 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3070.3389 (pause 0.33) 3070.6735 2436 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3070.6735 human beings. 3071.5688 2437 DCB_int_01 3072.0677 And do you still live in the house- your first house that you purchased or have you since [moved?] 3075.6208 2438 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3075.3317 [No], I just sold that house that I first purchased um, 3078.7112 2439 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3080.0587 April. 3080.4877 2440 DCB_int_01 3081.1825 Oh. 3081.4716 2441 DCB_int_01 3081.4716 (pause 0.28) 3081.7514 2442 DCB_int_01 3081.7514 Like, 3082.0172 2443 DCB_int_01 3082.0172 (pause 1.01) 3083.0279 2444 DCB_int_01 3083.0279 couple months ago. 3083.7879 2445 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3083.9418 Mm-hm. 3084.4640 2446 DCB_int_01 3084.9956 And you bought a new house? 3086.1893 2447 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3086.2872 Well I've been in the- The house that I've been in now, I've been in for over ten years. 3089.7459 2448 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3089.7459 (pause 1.69) 3091.4386 2449 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3091.4386 Struggling. 3091.9422 2450 DCB_int_01 3093.2991 And where is that? 3093.9939 2451 DCB_int_01 3093.9939 (pause 0.20) 3094.1932 2452 DCB_int_01 3094.1932 Is that- 3094.4776 2453 DCB_int_01 3094.4776 (pause 0.14) 3094.6222 2454 DCB_int_01 3094.6222 that's the- that's still in [Southeast?] 3096.2356 2455 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3094.7528 [And-] 3095.0092 2456 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3095.0092 (pause 1.00) 3096.0071 2457 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3096.0071 [It's in] the Southeast Gold Coast they call it. 3097.9935 2458 DCB_int_01 3098.6789 I don't know Southeast Gold- I've never heard that term. 3100.9859 2459 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3101.2517 It's Hillcrest. 3102.1796 2460 DCB_int_01 3103.4992 Mm-hm. 3104.1846 2461 DCB_int_01 3104.1846 (pause 0.20) 3104.3852 2462 DCB_int_01 3104.3852 Okay, now that you put it that way, I did just interview someone who [grew up in that area.] 3108.3708 2463 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3107.2284 [] 3108.8324 2464 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3109.5437 It's Hillcrest. That's the area that 3112.7086 2465 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3112.7086 (pause 0.24) 3112.9464 2466 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3112.9464 th- th- 3113.3754 2467 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3113.3754 (pause 0.43) 3113.8091 2468 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3113.8091 the elitist 3114.7790 2469 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3114.7790 (pause 0.16) 3114.9375 2470 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3114.9375 black people would move to, and 3117.1897 2471 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3117.1897 (pause 0.30) 3117.4916 2472 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3117.4916 now they're 3118.1025 2473 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3118.1025 (pause 1.48) 3119.5806 2474 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3119.5806 tryna move us out, but. 3121.0681 2475 DCB_int_01 3123.0171 So now you have- That's- 3124.0605 2476 DCB_int_01 3124.0605 (pause 0.63) 3124.6900 2477 DCB_int_01 3124.6900 Hill- That's- You have arrived. 3126.3406 2478 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3126.9561 Well, 3127.6929 2479 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3127.6929 (pause 0.15) 3127.8468 2480 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3127.8468 y- I- To me, arriving meaning [when you-] 3129.9859 2481 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3129.9859 (pause 0.52) 3130.5035 2482 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3130.5035 [you don't worry about] anything. 3132.0795 2483 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3132.0795 (pause 0.32) 3132.4013 2484 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3132.4013 [You know, it's not] 3133.6463 2485 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3133.6463 (pause 0.15) 3133.8001 2486 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3133.8001 um- 3134.2944 2487 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3134.2944 (pause 2.18) 3136.4751 2488 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3136.4751 You know, you're [managing everything.] 3138.1401 2489 DCB_int_01 3138.3220 [Mm-hm.] 3138.7696 2490 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3139.0308 You know, [I'm still-] 3139.6574 2491 DCB_int_01 3139.2219 [And you don't] [feel like you're at that place?] 3140.9332 2492 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3141.1372 I'm still struggling to hold [/onk/.] 3142.5687 2493 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3142.5687 (pause 1.31) 3143.8837 2494 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3143.8837 At [fifty sev-] 3144.6764 2495 DCB_int_01 3144.0935 [Is that more] [mental?] 3145.2033 2496 DCB_int_01 3145.3711 [Or do you feel like] that's your [physical, financial, social]- 3148.7599 2497 DCB_int_01 3148.7599 (pause 0.22) 3148.9837 2498 DCB_int_01 3148.9837 [or is that] [mental because, I still haven't reached a] place I wanna be, 3152.0613 2499 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3148.9931 All of that. 3149.4827 2500 DCB_int_01 3152.2571 [even though I'm in a good place.] 3153.6500 2501 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3152.5742 [I don't even think- I- I've] gotten to the point where I'm tryna find some peace, 3156.1495 2502 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3156.2800 tryna balance it, so 3157.7209 2503 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3157.7209 (pause 1.23) 3158.9519 2504 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3158.9519 where I wanna be is with peace. And [I don't think]- 3161.1003 2505 DCB_int_01 3160.6900 [Mm.] 3161.1003 2506 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3161.5246 You know, and I got to 3162.2940 2507 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3162.2940 (pause 0.35) 3162.6437 2508 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3162.6437 balance it because 3163.7628 2509 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3163.7628 (pause 0.53) 3164.2944 2510 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3164.2944 to me, peace come when everything is in order. 3166.4755 2511 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3166.4755 (pause 2.13) 3168.6064 2512 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3168.6064 You know, so I'm learning to get some peace w- even though it's- 3170.9332 2513 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3170.9332 (pause 0.66) 3171.5895 2514 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3171.5895 All that's not [in or-] 3172.6014 2515 DCB_int_01 3172.2190 [Chaos] is everywhere. 3173.2029 2516 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3173.2029 [Mm-hm.] 3173.7158 2517 DCB_int_01 3173.3428 [Yeah.] 3173.7391 2518 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3174.3873 So um, 3175.4038 2519 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3175.4038 (pause 2.51) 3177.9159 2520 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3177.9159 yeah. 3178.2517 2521 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3178.2517 (pause 0.37) 3178.6200 2522 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3178.6200 I'm struggling to hold on. 3180.3080 2523 DCB_int_01 3180.3033 What do you do for fun? 3181.2313 2524 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3182.0659 I hand dance. 3182.9985 2525 DCB_int_01 3183.6268 Can you tell- You are the first person 3185.5480 2526 DCB_int_01 3185.5480 (pause 0.38) 3185.9256 2527 DCB_int_01 3185.9256 that I have asked about hand dancing. 3187.9307 2528 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3187.9167 [Mm-hm.] 3188.4156 2529 DCB_int_01 3188.2979 [Someone] told me about it [before but-] 3190.0885 2530 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3189.4636 [That's a DC-] 3190.2796 2531 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3190.4009 That's a DC culture. 3191.5853 2532 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3191.5853 (pause 0.20) 3191.7811 2533 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3191.7811 Every- 3192.2660 2534 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3192.2660 (pause 0.16) 3192.4292 2535 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3192.4292 Every 3192.9561 2536 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3192.9561 (pause 0.43) 3193.3898 2537 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3193.3898 African American city has it. 3195.0311 2538 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3195.0311 (pause 0.16) 3195.1885 2539 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3195.1885 Um, Chicago has swing, 3196.9511 2540 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3196.9511 (pause 0.63) 3197.5806 2541 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3197.5806 everybody has some form of it, but 3199.7069 2542 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3199.7069 (pause 0.48) 3200.1825 2543 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3200.1825 they have um, done- They've done a documentary on hand dancing in DC and the cultural of it. 3205.4504 2544 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3205.4504 (pause 0.53) 3205.9773 2545 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3205.9773 Really it's before my time. It was the people who were in high school in the sixties. 3209.9593 2546 DCB_int_01 3210.9049 [So what is] it? 3211.6789 2547 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3210.9142 [Okay?] 3211.4644 2548 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3212.3830 It's a f- 3212.7747 2549 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3212.7747 (pause 0.38) 3213.1524 2550 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3213.1524 uh- 3213.6500 2551 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3213.6500 (pause 0.29) 3213.9439 2552 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3213.9439 It's a- a dance where man and a woman 3215.9536 2553 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3215.9536 (pause 0.11) 3216.0609 2554 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3216.0609 are dancing, and a man leads the woman 3218.5136 2555 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3218.5136 (pause 1.00) 3219.5149 2556 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3219.5149 all the time. 3220.2517 2557 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3220.2517 (pause 0.55) 3220.8019 2558 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3220.8019 She's never in charge. 3222.0749 2559 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3222.0749 (pause 0.41) 3222.4852 2560 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3222.4852 That is the one time she in not in charge. 3224.4716 2561 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3224.4716 (pause 0.99) 3225.4636 2562 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3225.4636 He 3225.7714 2563 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3225.7714 (pause 0.14) 3225.9113 2564 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3225.9113 leads her the whole dance. 3227.6412 2565 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3227.6412 (pause 0.62) 3228.2567 2566 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3228.2567 Um, 3228.6297 2567 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3228.6297 (pause 0.79) 3229.4224 2568 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3229.4224 and dances- You dance to the- 3231.4869 2569 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3231.4869 (pause 0.16) 3231.6455 2570 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3231.6455 the music of the sixties even though now you can dance to 3234.5785 2571 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3234.5785 (pause 0.69) 3235.2639 2572 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3235.2639 a lot of R&B. 3236.3690 2573 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3236.3690 (pause 0.67) 3237.0346 2574 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3237.0346 But most of it was music from- all the music from the sixties and 3240.4199 2575 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3240.4199 (pause 0.19) 3240.6064 2576 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3240.6064 some of the fifties. 3241.6556 2577 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3241.6556 (pause 0.58) 3242.2338 2578 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3242.2338 Um, and /bobbing/. You know, it was 3244.1864 2579 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3244.1864 (pause 0.37) 3244.5594 2580 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3244.5594 /music/ 3244.9837 2581 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3244.9837 (pause 0.94) 3245.9210 2582 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3245.9210 for The Temptations, some, 3247.5670 2583 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3247.5670 (pause 0.48) 3248.0519 2584 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3248.0519 um, 3248.4949 2585 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3248.4949 (pause 1.06) 3249.5522 2586 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3249.5522 The Miracles, 3250.5874 2587 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3250.5874 (pause 0.52) 3251.1050 2588 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3251.1050 you know, The Supremes. 3252.4386 2589 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3252.4386 (pause 0.59) 3253.0308 2590 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3253.0308 All of Motown. 3254.0659 2591 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3254.0659 (pause 0.29) 3254.3550 2592 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3254.3550 All of Motown, Sam Cooke. 3256.5268 2593 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3256.5268 (pause 0.46) 3256.9884 2594 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3256.9884 You know, [all of those] people. 3258.5411 2595 DCB_int_01 3257.5246 [Mm-hm.] 3258.1028 2596 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3258.8769 Otis Redding. 3259.8654 2597 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3259.8654 (pause 0.69) 3260.5555 2598 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3260.5555 Brook Benton. 3261.4182 2599 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3261.4182 (pause 0.30) 3261.7201 2600 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3261.7201 You know, all of those people. 3262.9324 2601 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3262.9324 (pause 0.52) 3263.4500 2602 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3263.4500 So it's a dance that two people do, 3265.8188 2603 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3265.8188 (pause 0.33) 3266.1498 2604 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3266.1498 man and woman do together, 3267.5755 2605 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3267.5755 (pause 0.39) 3267.9626 2606 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3267.9626 and it's very nice. 3268.7832 2607 DCB_int_01 3269.4081 Is there anything that's iconic about hand dancing that you don't see in other dances? Like is there a reason it's called hand dancing [verse-] 3275.3197 2608 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3275.1236 [Because] you're touching. 3276.0982 2609 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3276.4712 Which you don't [d- d-] 3277.3525 2610 DCB_int_01 3277.0681 [And you] touch the whole time. 3278.4856 2611 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3278.6208 You h- 3279.1011 2612 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3279.1011 (pause 0.40) 3279.5009 2613 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3279.5009 You gracefully touch. 3280.8625 2614 DCB_int_01 3281.0024 Mm-hm. 3281.5386 2615 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3281.7065 So, 3282.1914 2616 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3282.1914 (pause 0.62) 3282.8163 2617 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3282.8163 what's iconic about it- that it's not a loose dance where someone is touching you in a provocative way. 3288.6260 2618 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3288.6260 (pause 0.47) 3289.1007 2619 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3289.1007 Um, that they dance now, more 3291.0032 2620 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3291.0032 (pause 0.22) 3291.2212 2621 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3291.2212 free. 3291.5476 2622 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3291.5476 (pause 1.20) 3292.7506 2623 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3292.7506 Free styling, people are touching and they 3294.5785 2624 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3294.5785 (pause 0.61) 3295.1846 2625 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3295.1846 close. 3295.6276 2626 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3295.6276 (pause 0.71) 3296.3410 2627 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3296.3410 You get close, but it's su- It's done in such a way that it's very 3300.4712 2628 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3300.4712 (pause 0.29) 3300.7650 2629 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3300.7650 elegant. 3301.2266 2630 DCB_int_01 3302.7980 What about go go music? 3303.8180 2631 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3304.3263 Love it 3305.2169 2632 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3305.2169 (pause 0.51) 3305.7298 2633 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3305.7298 to death. 3306.3127 2634 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3306.3127 (pause 0.13) 3306.4386 2635 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3306.4386 My children, 3307.0867 2636 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3307.0867 (pause 0.47) 3307.5530 2637 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3307.5530 um, 3307.8234 2638 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3307.8234 (pause 0.14) 3307.9596 2639 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3307.9596 were young when go go music was up, so I didn't get a chance to go out as much and do any of those things, 3312.9338 2640 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3312.9338 (pause 0.28) 3313.2182 2641 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3313.2182 but I love go go. 3314.2208 2642 DCB_int_01 3315.2932 [/Inaudible/] 3316.0766 2643 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3315.2979 [Love] /it/. 3316.4869 2644 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3316.9952 Well, my- I would have to say my favorite 3319.1250 2645 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3319.1250 (pause 0.11) 3319.2322 2646 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3319.2322 is- 3320.0529 2647 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3320.0529 (pause 2.02) 3322.0719 2648 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3322.0719 What's the group that sing- 3323.0372 2649 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3323.0372 (pause 1.20) 3324.2344 2650 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3324.2344 I like EU. 3325.1157 2651 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3325.1157 (pause 0.96) 3326.0762 2652 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3326.0762 I like Trouble Funk. See when I came up, it was EU, Trouble Funk, 3329.0045 2653 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3329.0045 (pause 0.33) 3329.3391 2654 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3329.3391 Chuck Brown. 3330.1831 2655 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3330.1831 (pause 0.34) 3330.5188 2656 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3330.5188 Because you know, Chuck is 3331.4374 2657 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3331.4374 (pause 0.24) 3331.6799 2658 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3331.6799 deeper than go go music. [You do know] that. 3333.7828 2659 DCB_int_01 3333.0927 [Mm-hm.] 3333.5683 2660 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3334.2911 You know, 3334.6408 2661 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3334.6408 (pause 0.35) 3334.9940 2662 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3334.9940 he was with the soul searchers and all of them. 3337.0550 2663 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3337.0550 (pause 0.57) 3337.6239 2664 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3337.6239 But um, 3338.4399 2665 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3338.4399 (pause 0.20) 3338.6358 2666 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3338.6358 when my kids were 3339.7689 2667 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3339.7689 (pause 0.45) 3340.2212 2668 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3340.2212 in junior high school, 3341.2983 2669 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3341.2983 (pause 0.42) 3341.7215 2670 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3341.7215 so I stayed abreast at it, 3343.5260 2671 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3343.5260 (pause 0.25) 3343.7778 2672 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3343.7778 you know. 3344.2721 2673 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3344.2721 (pause 0.67) 3344.9389 2674 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3344.9389 Um, 3345.4378 2675 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3345.4378 (pause 0.21) 3345.6430 2676 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3345.6430 love it. 3345.9787 2677 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3345.9787 (pause 1.37) 3347.3531 2678 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3347.3531 Love it. 3347.8240 2679 DCB_int_01 3347.9779 Do you have a favorite song? 3348.9338 2680 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3349.6985 3350.2627 2681 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3350.2627 (pause 0.90) 3351.1627 2682 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3351.1627 Um, 3352.7108 2683 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3352.7108 (pause 0.38) 3353.0931 2684 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3353.0931 I like all of Chuck. I like his old music. I like um, 3356.2114 2685 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3356.2114 (pause 0.35) 3356.5565 2686 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3356.5565 The Policeman is on the Premises 3358.5476 2687 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3358.5476 (pause 1.04) 3359.5909 2688 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3359.5909 and um, 3360.7053 2689 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3360.7053 (pause 1.43) 3362.1322 2690 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3362.1322 Five in the Morn- I mean, uh, 3363.4844 2691 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3363.4844 (pause 0.17) 3363.6569 2692 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3363.6569 Three in the Morning. 3364.5522 2693 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3364.5522 (pause 0.12) 3364.6723 2694 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3364.6723 I- I can't- I- Don't ask me the name of it, but I do know it. 3367.2136 2695 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3367.2136 (pause 0.20) 3367.4094 2696 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3367.4094 Uh, 3367.8244 2697 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3367.8244 (pause 0.14) 3367.9596 2698 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3367.9596 The Pancake House with you know- 3369.3539 2699 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3369.3539 (pause 0.66) 3370.0160 2700 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3370.0160 That's when they used to wear Adidas sweats suits and 3372.4768 2701 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3372.4768 (pause 0.31) 3372.7846 2702 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3372.7846 [Kangol hats.] 3374.0109 2703 DCB_int_01 3372.8079 [Mm-hm. Mm-hm.] 3374.5099 2704 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3374.2114 [] 3374.4912 2705 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3374.8269 My 3375.2233 2706 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3375.2233 (pause 0.11) 3375.3352 2707 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3375.3352 children 3376.0160 2708 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3376.0160 (pause 0.09) 3376.1046 2709 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3376.1046 had to have Adidas sweat suits and Adidas tennis shoes. 3379.0364 2710 DCB_int_01 3379.7358 W- Did they do the hat? 3380.7197 2711 DCB_int_01 3380.7197 (pause 0.62) 3381.3445 2712 DCB_int_01 3381.3445 [/?/] 3381.6663 2713 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3381.8108 No, they really didn't do the hat- well /RD-NAME-3/ did because she did a play 3386.7057 2714 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3386.7057 (pause 0.94) 3387.6476 2715 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3387.6476 in school. 3388.3657 2716 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3388.3657 (pause 0.61) 3388.9801 2717 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3388.9801 Now, see, now when you talk about 3390.5328 2718 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3390.5328 (pause 0.22) 3390.7566 2719 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3390.7566 racial issues, 3391.7405 2720 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3391.7405 (pause 0.43) 3392.1695 2721 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3392.1695 I had more racial issues with /RD-NAME-3/ in high school 3394.6548 2722 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3394.6548 (pause 0.44) 3395.0920 2723 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3395.0920 because her school was lily white. 3397.3068 2724 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3397.3068 (pause 0.61) 3397.9177 2725 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3397.9177 And they 3399.2653 2726 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3399.2653 (pause 0.27) 3399.5310 2727 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3399.5310 were not integrating any 3401.4009 2728 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3401.4009 (pause 0.83) 3402.2344 2729 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3402.2344 black history, any black anything really. 3404.7710 2730 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3404.7710 (pause 1.00) 3405.7689 2731 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3405.7689 And sh- she was really into Nikki Giovanni at the time. 3409.1112 2732 DCB_int_01 3409.1576 Mm-hm. 3409.7172 2733 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3410.1228 And she wanted to do 3411.9600 2734 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3411.9600 (pause 0.64) 3412.6035 2735 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3412.6035 her speech on, I was born in the congo. 3415.2229 2736 DCB_int_01 3415.2416 Mm-hm. 3415.8384 2737 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3416.6544 Okay? 3417.1673 2738 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3417.1673 (pause 0.78) 3417.9460 2739 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3417.9460 And they didn't want her to do it, and so I had to go up there. 3420.4629 2740 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3420.4629 (pause 0.51) 3420.9758 2741 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3420.9758 You know, and she did Martin Luther's- 3422.5472 2742 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3422.5472 (pause 0.63) 3423.1813 2743 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3423.1813 Um, 3423.5171 2744 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3423.5171 (pause 0.47) 3423.9833 2745 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3423.9833 King, 3424.4636 2746 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3424.4636 (pause 0.15) 3424.6175 2747 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3424.6175 uh, 3424.9392 2748 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3424.9392 (pause 0.42) 3425.3624 2749 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3425.3624 Mountaintop. So she 3426.2857 2750 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3426.2857 (pause 0.30) 3426.5841 2751 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3426.5841 w- won very- on several oratorical contests. 3429.5357 2752 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3429.5357 (pause 0.44) 3429.9740 2753 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3429.9740 But 3430.2398 2754 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3430.2398 (pause 0.23) 3430.4730 2755 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3430.4730 I would- 3430.7189 2756 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3430.7189 (pause 0.12) 3430.8402 2757 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3430.8402 sh- sh- she always was encouraged to do 3433.3302 2758 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3433.3302 (pause 1.06) 3434.3886 2759 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3434.3886 black 3434.7430 2760 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3434.7430 (pause 0.25) 3434.9901 2761 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3434.9901 literature because she went to a lily white school. 3436.9999 2762 DCB_int_01 3437.9686 She was the exposure. 3439.1739 2763 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3439.1670 Mm-hm. 3439.7079 2764 DCB_int_01 3439.8804 Mm-hm. 3440.1975 2765 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3440.3980 But for me, I was ha- was very blessed to have a lot of positive 3443.2598 2766 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3443.2598 (pause 0.33) 3443.5862 2767 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3443.5862 educated black women. 3444.7613 2768 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3444.7613 (pause 0.41) 3445.1763 2769 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3445.1763 I worked- when I worked at /RD-WORK-4/ for twenty years, 3447.4658 2770 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3447.4658 (pause 0.37) 3447.8341 2771 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3447.8341 /RD-NAME-3/ and /RD-NAME-2/ grew up 3448.9952 2772 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3448.9952 (pause 1.10) 3450.0992 2773 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3450.0992 in the hospital 3450.8685 2774 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3450.8685 (pause 0.09) 3450.9618 2775 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3450.9618 because- 3451.3861 2776 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3451.3861 (pause 0.39) 3451.7778 2777 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3451.7778 You know, they were always there. 3452.8503 2778 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3452.8503 (pause 1.54) 3454.3937 2779 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3454.3937 So people- When it was time for them to go to school, 3456.4862 2780 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3456.4862 (pause 0.30) 3456.7846 2781 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3456.7846 people were very generous to me. 3458.3000 2782 DCB_int_01 3460.3890 Are you a Delta? 3460.9859 2783 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3461.7308 N- Unfortunately, I'm not. 3463.1436 2784 DCB_int_01 3463.5493 Oh, okay. 3463.9736 2785 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3464.1089 [No, that was-] 3464.6591 2786 DCB_int_01 3464.1508 [/Alright/, I didn't] know if I had seen you [wearing-] 3466.3144 2787 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3465.9833 [I w-] I wanted to be one. 3467.4428 2788 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3467.9826 I mean when I tell you I wanted to be one- Like, I could taste it. 3470.6404 2789 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3470.6404 (pause 1.55) 3472.1885 2790 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3472.1885 I wanted to be one. 3473.1724 2791 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3473.1724 (pause 0.49) 3473.6608 2792 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3473.6608 But 3473.9126 2793 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3473.9126 (pause 0.11) 3474.0199 2794 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3474.0199 I wanted her to be one. I can remember very much so, when she was like, 3477.6196 2795 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3477.6196 (pause 0.57) 3478.1885 2796 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3478.1885 I'm not pledging anything. 3479.9639 2797 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3479.9639 (pause 0.79) 3480.7566 2798 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3480.7566 I don't need to be defined by 3482.9855 2799 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3482.9855 (pause 0.59) 3483.5730 2800 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3483.5730 an organization. 3484.5942 2801 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3484.5942 (pause 1.47) 3486.0618 2802 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3486.0618 And I said, oh. 3486.9012 2803 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3486.9012 (pause 0.28) 3487.1763 2804 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3487.1763 Af- 3487.4327 2805 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3487.4327 (pause 0.18) 3487.6146 2806 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3487.6146 af- after first year, she called home. She said, I have something to tell you. 3491.3169 2807 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3491.3169 (pause 1.29) 3492.6074 2808 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3492.6074 And I said, what? And she said, I wanna pledge Delta, and it's gonna cost this much. 3497.3169 2809 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3497.3169 (pause 0.52) 3497.8334 2810 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3497.8334 And at the time, I was working at the /RD-WORK-5/, Doctor /RD-NAME-5/- 3500.8782 2811 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3500.8782 (pause 0.28) 3501.1627 2812 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3501.1627 who's recently just died 3502.7294 2813 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3502.7294 (pause 0.98) 3503.7121 2814 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3503.7121 last week- 3504.2763 2815 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3504.2763 (pause 1.41) 3505.6845 2816 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3505.6845 was a Delta. 3506.4119 2817 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3506.4119 (pause 0.90) 3507.3072 2818 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3507.3072 And she gave me her registration fee money. 3509.3111 2819 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3509.3111 (pause 0.23) 3509.5443 2820 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3509.5443 She said, of course she can be a Delta. 3511.5260 2821 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3511.5260 (pause 1.82) 3513.3445 2822 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3513.3445 Yeah. 3513.6150 2823 DCB_int_01 3515.3484 [/Aw/.] 3515.7308 2824 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3515.4137 [S-] 3515.6468 2825 DCB_int_01 3516.2111 That's just cra- It's so funny, like listening 3518.9948 2826 DCB_int_01 3518.9948 (pause 1.20) 3520.1978 2827 DCB_int_01 3520.1978 because I- 3520.6781 2828 DCB_int_01 3520.6781 (pause 0.18) 3520.8553 2829 DCB_int_01 3520.8553 I think about my experiences. I don't think I've had as m- 3524.3840 2830 DCB_int_01 3524.3840 (pause 0.15) 3524.5332 2831 DCB_int_01 3524.5332 Race has been- 3525.5264 2832 DCB_int_01 3525.5264 (pause 0.32) 3525.8435 2833 DCB_int_01 3525.8435 I grew up in the South, and race was- 3527.4522 2834 DCB_int_01 3527.4522 (pause 0.33) 3527.7774 2835 DCB_int_01 3527.7774 it's an [issue], 3528.8787 2836 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3528.3090 [Prevalent.] Mm-hm. 3529.2276 2837 DCB_int_01 3530.1881 but I think my mom sheltered me from it 3532.2072 2838 DCB_int_01 3532.2072 (pause 0.21) 3532.4217 2839 DCB_int_01 3532.4217 a lot. 3532.9486 2840 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3533.2144 Mm-hm. 3533.6294 2841 DCB_int_01 3533.7961 Um, and my grandma, and then when I got 3535.8850 2842 DCB_int_01 3535.8850 (pause 0.20) 3536.0855 2843 DCB_int_01 3536.0855 you know, when I came here- 3537.8341 2844 DCB_int_01 3537.8341 (pause 0.24) 3538.0766 2845 DCB_int_01 3538.0766 I go to- I went to Geo- It was very diverse. 3540.1691 2846 DCB_int_01 3540.1691 (pause 0.78) 3540.9525 2847 DCB_int_01 3540.9525 But I- 3541.3488 2848 DCB_int_01 3541.3488 (pause 0.37) 3541.7218 2849 DCB_int_01 3541.7218 coming outside and living outside of that bubble, 3543.7362 2850 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3543.9740 [Mm-hm.] 3544.3844 2851 DCB_int_01 3544.1465 [you know, I didn't] do that as a student. So [now like], hearing these stories and how much 3547.8697 2852 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3545.6888 [Mm-hm.] 3546.0665 2853 DCB_int_01 3548.2348 race like, played a [part] in like, [this city] 3551.1537 2854 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3549.5637 [] 3549.7036 2855 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3549.7036 (pause 0.31) 3550.0113 2856 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3550.0113 [] 3551.1211 2857 DCB_int_01 3551.6422 from going from Chocolate City- one girl calls it the swirl that's losing the chocolate. 3555.2699 2858 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3556.1932 Uh, 3556.7854 2859 DCB_int_01 3556.9101 [] 3557.8147 2860 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3557.2890 [exactly.] Uh, when you look at- 3559.4700 2861 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3560.3793 When I look at 3561.1580 2862 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3561.1580 (pause 0.73) 3561.8901 2863 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3561.8901 being a young woman going out entertainment, 3564.3743 2864 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3564.3743 (pause 0.19) 3564.5654 2865 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3564.5654 it was black. It was just- We- We were everywhere. 3567.1300 2866 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3567.1300 (pause 1.41) 3568.5382 2867 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3568.5382 The only time I really saw a lot of people were tourists. 3571.0271 2868 DCB_int_01 3571.9550 Mm-hm. 3572.5052 2869 DCB_int_01 3572.5052 (pause 0.55) 3573.0508 2870 DCB_int_01 3573.0508 Do you- Have you done the- Have you been a tourist? Or have you- 3575.7634 2871 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3575.7354 Mm-hm. 3576.1271 2872 DCB_int_01 3576.0945 Since you've always just lived [here /inaudible/.] 3577.9783 2873 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3577.2742 [No, one time-] Nope. 3578.6917 2874 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3578.9249 One time, I r- 3579.9554 2875 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3579.9554 (pause 0.16) 3580.1139 2876 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3580.1139 I learned a lot 3581.1024 2877 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3581.1024 (pause 0.19) 3581.2971 2878 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3581.2971 becoming a tourist one time (laughing). And it wasn't until I w- 3584.0669 2879 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3584.0669 (pause 0.42) 3584.4866 2880 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3584.4866 got married again. 3585.2373 2881 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3585.2373 (pause 0.87) 3586.1092 2882 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3586.1092 We took the bus- 3587.2283 2883 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3587.2283 (pause 0.27) 3587.4976 2884 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3587.4976 tour bus, 3588.2064 2885 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3588.2064 (pause 0.77) 3588.9804 2886 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3588.9804 and I learned about the /archiatect/. 3591.4844 2887 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3591.4844 (pause 0.12) 3591.6010 2888 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3591.6010 I learned to appreciate the /archiatect/ more in DC. 3594.1504 2889 DCB_int_01 3597.6663 So do you still like- 3598.7294 2890 DCB_int_01 3598.7294 (pause 0.42) 3599.1479 2891 DCB_int_01 3599.1479 Do you go with your grandkids to like, the [monuments and-] 3603.2466 2892 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3602.4213 [No.] 3603.2653 2893 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3603.5217 They don't- I try to. They always go, 3605.4615 2894 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3605.4615 (pause 0.27) 3605.7308 2895 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3605.7308 no, I don't wanna do that Nana. 3607.0877 2896 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3607.0877 (pause 0.30) 3607.3861 2897 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3607.3861 These children today- 3608.6358 2898 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3608.6358 (pause 0.85) 3609.4844 2899 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3609.4844 See when you w- We were- When I was coming up, that's all you had. You didn't have a whole bunch of a- 3613.3628 2900 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3613.3628 (pause 0.57) 3613.9317 2901 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3613.9317 you know, distractions and [gadgets.] 3615.7362 2902 DCB_int_01 3615.2886 [Video games] and- 3616.2491 2903 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3616.3377 Gadgets and stuff. We had to make do. We- 3618.7566 2904 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3618.7566 (pause 0.51) 3619.2695 2905 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3619.2695 If we didn't have real jacks, we played with 3621.4051 2906 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3621.4051 (pause 0.16) 3621.5637 2907 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3621.5637 rocks 3622.2258 2908 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3622.2258 (pause 0.21) 3622.4310 2909 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3622.4310 and a ball. 3623.1024 2910 DCB_int_01 3623.8847 Mm-hm. 3624.2810 2911 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3624.2017 If we didn't have a baseball, we played- You know, we- we- If we had a bat and a ball, we was doing good. 3629.3857 2912 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3629.6235 We m- We may not even had a glove. 3631.4188 2913 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3631.4188 (pause 2.05) 3633.4704 2914 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3633.4704 If one person had a bike in the neighborhood, everybody rode it, 3635.9826 2915 DCB_int_01 3636.3136 Mm-hm. 3636.7893 2916 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3637.6006 You know, so, it wasn't like, 3639.1767 2917 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3639.1767 (pause 0.41) 3639.5823 2918 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3639.5823 you know, anybody was more pri- There was always a few people who had a li- two dollars more than you did. 3644.5699 2919 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3644.5699 (pause 0.13) 3644.7010 2920 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3644.7010 You know, it's always gonna be that. 3645.9134 2921 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3645.9134 (pause 0.54) 3646.4496 2922 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3646.4496 But 3646.8460 2923 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3646.8460 (pause 2.04) 3648.8825 2924 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3648.8825 we- we didn't- we- You know, it was just a s- way it was. I mean, you- 3652.4683 2925 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3652.4683 (pause 0.12) 3652.5849 2926 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3652.5849 people worked every day, and 3654.1598 2927 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3654.1598 (pause 0.68) 3654.8359 2928 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3654.8359 um, 3655.5260 2929 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3655.5260 (pause 1.27) 3656.7990 2930 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3656.7990 you had re- chores and responsibilities and, 3659.3169 2931 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3659.3169 (pause 0.64) 3659.9546 2932 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3659.9546 you we- we were latchkey kids, for lack of a better word. We didn't look at it that way. Our parents worked. You went home. You 3665.3449 2933 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3665.3449 (pause 0.41) 3665.7588 2934 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3665.7588 took off you- 3666.3883 2935 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3666.3883 (pause 0.44) 3666.8312 2936 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3666.8312 your school clothes. You cleaned up. You got caught playing 3669.3958 2937 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3669.3958 (pause 0.36) 3669.7549 2938 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3669.7549 outside in 'em, you got a whooping. 3671.1864 2939 DCB_int_01 3671.4090 Mm-hm. 3671.9033 2940 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3672.0292 You can't even whoop a child now. 3673.2835 2941 DCB_int_01 3673.4421 Mm. 3673.6985 2942 DCB_int_01 3673.6985 (pause 0.19) 3673.8897 2943 DCB_int_01 3673.8897 Without somebody calling somebody or saying [something.] Mm-hm. 3676.7667 2944 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3675.7176 [Mm-hm.] 3676.2212 2945 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3676.8973 Right. 3677.2610 2946 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3677.2610 (pause 0.10) 3677.3577 2947 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3677.3577 But I think- I don't think 3678.7240 2948 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3678.7240 (pause 0.47) 3679.1903 2949 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3679.1903 abuse or beating a child 3681.1767 2950 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3681.1767 (pause 0.49) 3681.6663 2951 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3681.6663 is accepted, but I do think some children, if you had whooped their hind butts a little bit, 3685.7498 2952 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3685.7498 (pause 0.31) 3686.0576 2953 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3686.0576 they may not be out here doing some of the things they're doing. 3688.6222 2954 DCB_int_01 3688.8833 If you could leave a piece of advice to- 3690.9338 2955 DCB_int_01 3690.9338 (pause 0.75) 3691.6799 2956 DCB_int_01 3691.6799 Not even just young people, but like, 3693.1114 2957 DCB_int_01 3693.1114 (pause 1.04) 3694.1465 2958 DCB_int_01 3694.1465 anybody. Like, especially in this time, in this space. 3697.7172 2959 DCB_int_01 3697.7172 (pause 0.35) 3698.0622 2960 DCB_int_01 3698.0622 Kind of thinking about you being in survivor mode, what would that piece of advice be? 3701.8099 2961 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3705.4564 Learn about who you are. 3706.5557 2962 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3706.5557 (pause 2.14) 3708.6960 2963 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3708.6960 And- and- and- and- and- and- 3710.7337 2964 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3710.7337 (pause 0.56) 3711.2932 2965 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3711.2932 don't- 3712.0160 2966 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3712.0160 (pause 2.47) 3714.4908 2967 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3714.4908 I think black 3715.1949 2968 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3715.1949 (pause 0.29) 3715.4887 2969 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3715.4887 kids have a little bit more pride about who they are now 3718.0673 2970 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3718.0673 (pause 0.96) 3719.0278 2971 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3719.0278 than when I came up. So, 3720.2997 2972 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3720.2997 (pause 0.42) 3720.7240 2973 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3720.7240 I think 3721.4141 2974 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3721.4141 (pause 0.76) 3722.1788 2975 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3722.1788 one of the things that is missing for young people- 3724.6735 2976 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3724.6735 (pause 0.88) 3725.5489 2977 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3725.5489 When we were coming up, there was always somebody striving 3728.4399 2978 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3728.4399 (pause 0.34) 3728.7757 2979 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3728.7757 to get better for us. 3730.0788 2980 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3730.0788 (pause 0.91) 3730.9859 2981 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3730.9859 You know, the 3731.6620 2982 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3731.6620 (pause 0.26) 3731.9173 2983 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3731.9173 um- 3732.4476 2984 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3732.4476 (pause 1.48) 3733.9317 2985 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3733.9317 the Martins, 3734.8549 2986 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3734.8549 (pause 0.66) 3735.5124 2987 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3735.5124 the /Eggers/. 3736.3844 2988 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3736.3844 (pause 0.66) 3737.0407 2989 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3737.0407 Somebody was there 3738.3403 2990 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3738.3403 (pause 0.42) 3738.7613 2991 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3738.7613 telling us, 3739.5167 2992 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3739.5167 (pause 0.76) 3740.2814 2993 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3740.2814 we need somebody like that. 3741.8062 2994 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3741.8062 (pause 0.96) 3742.7621 2995 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3742.7621 Obama can't do it by hisself. 3744.3370 2996 DCB_int_01 3745.8897 Do you feel like that changed the city? Do you feel like that changed the feel of [the city?] 3749.5454 2997 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3748.9113 [Obama ain't had] nothing to do with the change of the feel of the city. 3751.4794 2998 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3751.7218 That was happening under the tables. They sold us out. 3754.5056 2999 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3754.5056 (pause 1.44) 3755.9453 3000 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3755.9453 The council people, 3757.2462 3001 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3757.2462 (pause 1.06) 3758.3047 3002 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3758.3047 all of the people who are /tryna- making/ money 3761.2656 3003 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3761.2656 (pause 0.32) 3761.5816 3004 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3761.5816 sold the people out. 3762.7426 3005 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3762.7426 (pause 1.04) 3763.7825 3006 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3763.7825 Okay? 3764.0995 3007 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3764.0995 (pause 0.23) 3764.3280 3008 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3764.3280 This is the District of Columbia. We're not that big. 3766.5522 3009 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3766.5522 (pause 0.23) 3766.7807 3010 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3766.7807 How in the hell you gonna let them come in here and overbuild like that? 3770.0343 3011 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3770.0343 (pause 0.39) 3770.4259 3012 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3770.4259 We didn't agree to that. 3771.4145 3013 DCB_int_01 3771.8714 Mm. 3772.1465 3014 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3772.2351 So it's about money. It's not about people. 3774.3929 3015 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3774.3929 (pause 0.26) 3774.6540 3016 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3774.6540 It's never been about [people.] 3775.9690 3017 DCB_int_01 3775.5186 [Peop-] Mm. 3776.3373 3018 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3776.9622 We live in a capitalist society. 3778.5709 3019 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3778.5709 (pause 0.78) 3779.3531 3020 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3779.3531 They don't care about people 3780.4629 3021 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3780.4629 (pause 0.39) 3780.8499 3022 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3780.8499 catching the bus to work, an- 3782.1602 3023 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3782.1602 (pause 0.21) 3782.3653 3024 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3782.3653 They care about it now 3783.5077 3025 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3783.5077 (pause 1.54) 3785.0453 3026 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3785.0453 that you done moved everybody [out.] 3786.4768 3027 DCB_int_01 3786.2670 [Out.] [Mm-hm.] 3787.2276 3028 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3786.7986 [And you done put] bikes on every corner and all of that, and 3789.3445 3029 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3789.6383 you done put these- ap- overgrown these streets with apartment buildings and condos and 3794.3280 3030 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3794.3280 (pause 0.24) 3794.5705 3031 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3794.5705 all of that. 3795.1907 3032 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3795.1907 (pause 0.09) 3795.2792 3033 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3795.2792 Where the parks? Where? 3796.6455 3034 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3796.6455 (pause 0.17) 3796.8122 3035 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3796.8122 What? 3797.1386 3036 DCB_int_01 3798.8312 Yeah, 3799.1390 3037 DCB_int_01 3799.1390 (pause 0.20) 3799.3348 3038 DCB_int_01 3799.3348 I can [only imagine] what it was like to watch over the last [/twenty/ years.] 3803.5772 3039 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3799.5120 [Where is the vision?] 3800.4819 3040 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3800.4819 (pause 1.90) 3802.3797 3041 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3802.3797 [You have so much open] space- The city was so pretty. The- 3805.5866 3042 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3805.8524 the monuments, and 3806.9808 3043 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3806.9808 (pause 0.39) 3807.3678 3044 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3807.3678 you didn't have this abundance of traffic and 3809.9779 3045 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3809.9779 (pause 0.96) 3810.9385 3046 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3810.9385 all this overgrowth, everybody tryna make a dollar. 3813.1300 3047 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3813.1300 (pause 1.00) 3814.1279 3048 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3814.1279 All of those condos ain't filled up! 3816.1598 3049 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3816.1598 (pause 0.51) 3816.6680 3050 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3816.6680 They get 3817.0504 3051 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3817.0504 (pause 0.16) 3817.2089 3052 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3817.2089 kickbacks when those condo- 3818.5752 3053 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3818.5752 (pause 0.25) 3818.8269 3054 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3818.8269 w- 3818.9575 3055 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3818.9575 (pause 0.23) 3819.1860 3056 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3819.1860 Okay. So we didn't fill our condos, so they get the tax breaks? 3822.1365 3057 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3822.1365 (pause 0.84) 3822.9804 3058 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3822.9804 Cause can't nobody afford 'em. 3824.1135 3059 DCB_int_01 3825.4378 Yup. 3825.7316 3060 DCB_int_01 3825.7316 (pause 0.98) 3826.7154 3061 DCB_int_01 3826.7154 That's true. 3827.2796 3062 DCB_int_01 3827.2796 (pause 0.44) 3827.7215 3063 DCB_int_01 3827.7215 That's why everybody's on the 3828.9152 3064 DCB_int_01 3828.9152 (pause 0.27) 3829.1809 3065 DCB_int_01 3829.1809 [outskirts.] 3829.8617 3066 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3829.7545 [Okay], I'm'a build this building so it- but if I don't get it filled up, it's okay cause I'm'a get 3833.5268 3067 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3833.7028 a tax break cause I didn't make my- 3835.4048 3068 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3835.4048 (pause 1.69) 3837.0927 3069 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3837.0927 There no jobs. 3838.2538 3070 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3838.2538 (pause 3.74) 3841.9923 3071 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3841.9923 In years to come, everything'll be contract. People ain't gonna have no place to work. 3845.2470 3072 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3845.2470 (pause 0.56) 3845.8101 3073 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3845.8101 If you don't have your own entrepreneurship, 3847.7172 3074 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3847.7172 (pause 0.26) 3847.9783 3075 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3847.9783 you gonna be out of luck. 3848.7850 3076 DCB_int_01 3849.6989 So you feel like the city's on a downward spiral? 3851.6060 3077 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3851.7994 3851.9533 3078 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3851.9533 (pause 0.91) 3852.8592 3079 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3852.8592 For working people. 3854.3373 3080 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3854.3373 (pause 2.36) 3856.7014 3081 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3856.7014 The working people. 3857.6329 3082 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3857.6329 (pause 0.18) 3857.8101 3083 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3857.8101 The working poor 3858.7100 3084 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3858.7100 (pause 0.78) 3859.4887 3085 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3859.4887 who catch the bus in the morning, who catch the bus in the evening. 3862.2724 3086 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3862.2724 (pause 1.53) 3863.8007 3087 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3863.8007 I would not be able to retire in this city and live here comfortably. 3866.7803 3088 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3866.7803 (pause 1.99) 3868.7656 3089 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3868.7656 At the salary I make now, when it's time for me to retire, I can't live here. 3872.6358 3090 DCB_int_01 3877.2695 Wow. 3877.5820 3091 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3879.5077 You work in a community where the Safeway is /eplorable/. 3883.4234 3092 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3883.4234 (pause 1.46) 3884.8876 3093 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3884.8876 And we have council people, and all these people- 3887.2237 3094 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3887.2237 (pause 0.21) 3887.4324 3095 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3887.4324 supposed to care about the people. 3888.8592 3096 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3888.8592 (pause 0.62) 3889.4794 3097 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3889.4794 You go to that Safeway, it look like a prison. 3891.4658 3098 DCB_int_01 3891.8761 Mm-hm. 3892.2818 3099 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3893.2505 You won't find that in a white neighborhood. 3895.2929 3100 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3895.2929 (pause 1.70) 3896.9901 3101 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3896.9901 They're not having it. 3898.1092 3102 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3898.1092 (pause 2.72) 3900.8334 3103 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3900.8334 /Marion Barry/ said what he- w- what was really happening. They don't wanna hear that. 3904.6990 3104 DCB_int_01 3905.0114 Mm. 3905.4590 3105 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3906.5688 But he says it. They don't care about these people. 3908.7032 3106 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3908.7032 (pause 1.71) 3910.4145 3107 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3910.4145 Uh-uh. 3910.9741 3108 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3910.9741 (pause 0.51) 3911.4870 3109 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3911.4870 Fenty didn't care. Williams didn't care. 3913.1983 3110 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3913.1983 (pause 1.02) 3914.2183 3111 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3914.2183 And I don't think Bow- 3914.9644 3112 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3914.9644 (pause 0.21) 3915.1742 3113 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3915.1742 m- Bowser care either. 3916.5031 3114 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3916.5031 (pause 1.64) 3918.1445 3115 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3918.1445 I didn't even know who she really was. 3919.5200 3116 DCB_int_01 3920.4701 Yeah, she didn't- It wasn't a lot of people that voted. 3922.4635 3117 DCB_int_01 3922.4635 (pause 0.13) 3922.5917 3118 DCB_int_01 3922.5917 I mean it was a [very] 3923.4404 3119 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3923.2958 [I] did not [vote for- I don't know her.] 3925.4967 3120 DCB_int_01 3923.8694 [small percentage of- Mm-hm.] 3926.2789 3121 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3925.7847 [You know-] 3926.2136 3122 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3926.4141 You know, people go with what they know. Even when I was tryna read about her 3929.6036 3123 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3929.6036 (pause 0.26) 3929.8647 3124 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3929.8647 and get a feel for who she was, I couldn't do it. 3932.8058 3125 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3932.8058 (pause 2.12) 3934.9275 3126 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3934.9275 I pay taxes in here. 3936.2704 3127 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3936.2704 (pause 1.43) 3937.7007 3128 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3937.7007 In this city. 3938.3862 3129 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3938.3862 (pause 1.90) 3940.2840 3130 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3940.2840 But I don't get to- I don't get to reap the benefits. 3942.5035 3131 DCB_int_01 3942.6341 /Somebody- Yeah/. 3943.2857 3132 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3944.2090 Mm-mm. 3944.6053 3133 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3944.6053 (pause 0.48) 3945.0903 3134 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3945.0903 At all., 3945.5939 3135 DCB_int_01 3948.6527 /It's cause/ you live on the other side of the river. 3950.1912 3136 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3950.7685 Y- Well, you know, 3951.6218 3137 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3951.6218 (pause 0.60) 3952.2187 3138 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3952.2187 they expanded Capitol Hill. When I was coming up, Capitol Hill may have been four or /flive/ blocks long. 3956.6473 3139 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3956.6473 (pause 0.62) 3957.2721 3140 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3957.2721 Now it's all the way back to Seventeenth Street almost. 3959.6689 3141 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3959.6689 (pause 1.10) 3960.7693 3142 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3960.7693 What the heck? 3961.5433 3143 DCB_int_01 3962.3162 It's getting to be a big hill. /It's a little/ [mountain. Capitol Mountain.] 3965.4404 3144 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3963.9855 [Right. Right. Right. Right.] Right. 3965.7574 3145 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3965.9859 It's all of that. 3966.7553 3146 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3966.7553 (pause 0.15) 3966.9092 3147 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3966.9092 It's [all of that.] 3967.5387 3148 DCB_int_01 3967.1190 [Mm-hm.] 3967.6179 3149 DCB_int_01 3968.0038 Just all of that going on. 3969.0763 3150 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3969.1089 I w- And- and it's not that I don't, you know- I don't- I resent 3971.6362 3151 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3971.6362 (pause 0.22) 3971.8600 3152 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3971.8600 white folks coming here, 3973.1890 3153 DCB_int_01 3973.2962 Right. 3973.6319 3154 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3973.7380 I don't resent that, but I just resent the fact that 3976.3166 3155 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3976.3166 (pause 0.44) 3976.7596 3156 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3976.7596 other people can't afford to be here. 3978.3123 3157 DCB_int_01 3979.4256 [Mm.] 3979.8126 3158 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3979.4349 [And that's] where the anger comes in at 3981.0157 3159 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3981.5472 because 3981.9389 3160 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3981.9389 (pause 0.23) 3982.1721 3161 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3982.1721 somehow 3983.0300 3162 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3983.0300 (pause 1.79) 3984.8206 3163 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3984.8206 Seven Elevens are coming back. 3986.5540 3164 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3986.5540 (pause 1.02) 3987.5705 3165 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3987.5705 They took all the Seven Elevens out. 3989.3051 3166 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3989.3051 (pause 0.83) 3990.1351 3167 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3990.1351 But we don't /know/. 3990.8206 3168 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3990.8206 (pause 2.78) 3993.6032 3169 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3993.6032 All the taxi cab- These were jobs that 3995.7901 3170 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3995.7901 (pause 0.43) 3996.2191 3171 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3996.2191 people's parents had even after they did they work. 3998.9737 3172 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3998.9737 (pause 0.44) 3999.4120 3173 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 3999.4120 They worked at the post office. 4000.7782 3174 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4000.7782 (pause 0.35) 4001.1233 3175 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4001.1233 Then, they w- drove the cab at night. 4003.2029 3176 DCB_int_01 4003.8919 Mm. 4004.3582 3177 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4005.4120 That's what they did. 4006.1254 3178 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4006.1254 (pause 2.68) 4008.8066 3179 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4008.8066 That's what they did /about home/. 4010.1437 3180 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4010.1437 (pause 0.40) 4010.5447 3181 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4010.5447 They cost maybe seventeen /dollars/ an hour. 4012.5311 3182 DCB_int_01 4014.8801 And [both] parents were doing- 4015.9992 3183 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4014.9978 /The h-/ 4015.2682 3184 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4016.1157 And both parents were working. The neighborhood that I moved in on T Place, the house that I sold in April, 4020.3450 3185 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4020.3450 (pause 0.53) 4020.8754 3186 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4020.8754 the- my neighbors said when they bought their house they paid seventeen thousand dollars for it. I think the o- 4024.8482 3187 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4024.8482 (pause 0.22) 4025.0720 3188 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4025.0720 the- 4025.2818 3189 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4025.2818 (pause 0.13) 4025.4077 3190 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4025.4077 the highest one who paid for one, paid twenty seven thousand 4028.5400 3191 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4028.5400 (pause 0.63) 4029.1742 3192 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4029.1742 for it. 4029.4260 3193 DCB_int_01 4032.2509 You can barely rent an apartment for a- 4034.1997 3194 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4034.4841 [Exactly.] 4035.2721 3195 DCB_int_01 4034.5354 [a- a year] or two for that [much.] 4036.5544 3196 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4036.1161 [Exactly.] 4036.9368 3197 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4037.4031 Exactly. 4038.0839 3198 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4038.0839 (pause 1.92) 4040.0085 3199 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4040.0085 Exactly. 4040.6473 3200 DCB_int_01 4042.2047 So what do you think is gonna be- 4043.5989 3201 DCB_int_01 4043.5989 (pause 0.33) 4043.9253 3202 DCB_int_01 4043.9253 How do you think this is gonna look in ten years? 4045.8546 3203 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4046.1017 It won't. 4046.4002 3204 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4046.4002 (pause 0.29) 4046.6939 3205 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4046.6939 We- They gonna have it so you have to pay a tax- You gonna have to pay a toll to get here- 4050.3077 3206 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4050.3077 (pause 0.18) 4050.4895 3207 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4050.4895 in here. 4050.9185 3208 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4050.9185 (pause 0.67) 4051.5842 3209 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4051.5842 4051.9479 3210 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4051.9479 (pause 0.85) 4052.8012 3211 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4052.8012 You gonna pay a toll to get in. 4054.1581 3212 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4054.1581 (pause 1.71) 4055.8694 3213 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4055.8694 And then they gonna- 4056.6014 3214 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4056.6014 (pause 0.26) 4056.8579 3215 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4056.8579 It's no longer- It's- You- You gonna have- be able- It won't be taxation without representation 4061.0001 3216 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4061.0001 (pause 0.49) 4061.4870 3217 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4061.4870 because see, then, it's gonna impact them. 4063.0537 3218 DCB_int_01 4064.3349 Mm. 4064.7779 3219 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4065.0716 And they make the changes. 4066.2840 3220 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4066.2840 (pause 2.31) 4068.5921 3221 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4068.5921 Eleanor Holmes Norton been fighting about it for twent- two decades, and we ain't got 4072.0089 3222 DCB_int_01 4072.0042 Nothing yet. 4072.6710 3223 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4072.6990 nothing yet. 4073.4031 3224 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4073.4031 (pause 3.37) 4076.7685 3225 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4076.7685 It's sad but it's true. 4077.7477 3226 DCB_int_01 4077.7337 It's true. 4078.2280 3227 DCB_int_01 4078.9787 And I think you can see that. Like, I just [remember coming here seventeen years ago-] 4082.4608 3228 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4080.4895 [I don't like the school system. I don't like] all these chartered schools. 4084.0928 3229 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4084.3866 I don't like that kids can't walk to school. 4086.5315 3230 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4086.5315 (pause 0.34) 4086.8719 3231 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4086.8719 I don't like the- 4087.6366 3232 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4087.6366 (pause 0.38) 4088.0131 3233 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4088.0131 the fact that the crime is so high. 4089.8876 3234 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4089.8876 (pause 0.27) 4090.1581 3235 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4090.1581 I don't like that the drugs are still coming. 4092.3590 3236 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4092.3590 (pause 0.57) 4092.9278 3237 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4092.9278 We don't have no- 4093.5853 3238 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4093.5853 (pause 0.14) 4093.7240 3239 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4093.7240 no airplanes and no boats, 4095.4633 3240 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4095.4633 (pause 0.19) 4095.6498 3241 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4095.6498 ships. 4096.0741 3242 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4096.0741 (pause 0.21) 4096.2886 3243 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4096.2886 How do drugs get here? 4097.2865 3244 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4097.2865 (pause 2.20) 4099.4862 3245 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4099.4862 These- Our black children are starting to be missing every day. 4102.4938 3246 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4102.4938 (pause 0.33) 4102.8202 3247 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4102.8202 Something's wrong. 4103.8600 3248 DCB_int_01 4103.9719 Yeah. 4104.3543 3249 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4105.2811 People- Our black kids are getting killed 4107.1742 3250 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4107.1742 (pause 0.76) 4107.9343 3251 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4107.9343 by police officers. 4109.3238 3252 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4109.3238 (pause 1.13) 4110.4569 3253 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4110.4569 Something [wrong.] 4111.4641 3254 DCB_int_01 4111.1097 [Way too] frequently. 4112.1903 3255 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4112.4561 Too frequent. 4113.0203 3256 DCB_int_01 4113.2022 Way too frequently. 4114.4239 3257 DCB_int_01 4114.4239 (pause 2.28) 4116.6994 3258 DCB_int_01 4116.6994 /Yeah/. 4116.9838 3259 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4116.9698 And then they wanna know why we angry. 4118.2276 3260 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4119.0483 W- w- They didn't give us our forty acres and a mule. 4121.3005 3261 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4121.3005 (pause 1.24) 4122.5455 3262 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4122.5455 And then, 4123.1283 3263 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4123.1283 (pause 0.67) 4123.7940 3264 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4123.7940 they pushed slavery aside, but we got to keep on the /Holocaust/. Keep it right in our forefront. 4128.2704 3265 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4128.2704 (pause 0.59) 4128.8579 3266 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4128.8579 But that's okay. 4129.5294 3267 DCB_int_01 4129.7408 [/Oof/.] 4130.0065 3268 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4129.8779 [But if] we talk about slavery 4131.2908 3269 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4131.8550 and the pain 4132.6850 3270 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4132.6850 (pause 0.48) 4133.1606 3271 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4133.1606 that our forefather- our fathers went through? 4135.0584 3272 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4135.0584 (pause 0.56) 4135.6168 3273 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4135.6168 We're not supposed to. Get over it. 4137.1229 3274 DCB_int_01 4137.1136 Mm. 4137.6032 3275 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4137.8223 But they can talk about the Holocaust whenever they feel like. 4140.0326 3276 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4140.0326 (pause 1.70) 4141.7287 3277 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4141.7287 Whenever they wanna make a movie about it, 4143.4913 3278 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4143.4913 (pause 0.39) 4143.8830 3279 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4143.8830 whenever they wanna have a museum about it, 4145.9160 3280 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4145.9160 (pause 0.41) 4146.3310 3281 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4146.3310 whenever they wanna do whatever. 4147.6086 3282 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4147.6086 (pause 1.06) 4148.6659 3283 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4148.6659 Hm. 4148.9923 3284 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4148.9923 (pause 1.82) 4150.8109 3285 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4150.8109 Hm. 4151.0673 3286 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4151.0673 (pause 3.56) 4154.6240 3287 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4154.6240 Hm. 4154.8431 3288 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4154.8431 (pause 0.41) 4155.2535 3289 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4155.2535 Yeah. 4155.5239 3290 DCB_int_01 4156.5125 But this will always be your city. 4157.8274 3291 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4158.2237 It will always be my city (whispering). 4159.4128 3292 DCB_int_01 4160.8991 It'll always- 4161.6032 3293 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4161.6032 The fact that I think about leaving DC really scares me. 4165.2717 3294 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4166.4515 Every time- when I first thought I had, you know, I said, I'm not gonna be able to afford to live here. 4170.0885 3295 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4170.0885 (pause 0.85) 4170.9418 3296 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4170.9418 It just scares me. Because see, DC was built for you to be able to use public transportation. 4175.0627 3297 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4175.0627 (pause 0.49) 4175.5523 3298 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4175.5523 There was places for seniors- people to liv- You know, they could get around. 4178.9177 3299 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4178.9177 (pause 1.03) 4179.9482 3300 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4179.9482 That's not the same out in Maryland. 4181.5150 3301 DCB_int_01 4182.3683 Mm-mm. 4182.8719 3302 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4183.4489 [Mm-mm.] 4183.9432 3303 DCB_int_01 4183.4489 [Mm-mm.] 4183.9432 3304 DCB_int_01 4184.6473 [/It's not/.] 4185.1089 3305 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4184.6520 [The services.] You know we had good social services and stuff for people to use, 4188.9791 3306 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4189.2717 to access and everything like that. That's- 4191.2954 3307 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4191.2954 (pause 1.38) 4192.6803 3308 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4192.6803 Mm-mm. 4193.1000 3309 DCB_int_01 4193.6362 That's what someone else telling me about, her experience when she was really trying to get 4197.2581 3310 DCB_int_01 4197.2581 (pause 0.12) 4197.3747 3311 DCB_int_01 4197.3747 back on her feet. I think she had to leave home or something and 4199.6782 3312 DCB_int_01 4199.6782 (pause 0.44) 4200.1165 3313 DCB_int_01 4200.1165 her mom 4201.0024 3314 DCB_int_01 4201.0024 (pause 0.26) 4201.2636 3315 DCB_int_01 4201.2636 um, 4201.6867 3316 DCB_int_01 4201.6867 (pause 0.38) 4202.0644 3317 DCB_int_01 4202.0644 wanted to move to Maryland. She said she had to get back to DC cause they had so many more 4205.5803 3318 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4205.9393 It [does.] 4206.4429 3319 DCB_int_01 4206.1911 [services] [that she] could use. 4208.2323 3320 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4206.9127 [It does.] 4207.3650 3321 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4208.4515 [Mm-hm.] 4208.9131 3322 DCB_int_01 4208.5354 [And she was] just [across the] 4209.5892 3323 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4209.0949 [And peop-] 4209.5239 3324 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4209.6964 [Mm-hm.] 4210.1254 3325 DCB_int_01 4209.6964 [border.] 4210.1394 3326 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4211.0300 Mm-hm. 4211.3704 3327 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4211.3704 (pause 0.36) 4211.7341 3328 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4211.7341 Mm-hm. 4212.0839 3329 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4212.0839 (pause 0.53) 4212.6108 3330 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4212.6108 That's why they call the border 4213.6926 3331 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4213.6926 (pause 0.21) 4213.9059 3332 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4213.9059 Ward Nine. 4214.6613 3333 DCB_int_01 4215.0483 Mm-hm. 4215.5426 3334 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4215.7058 DC has eight wards, 4217.0394 3335 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4217.0394 (pause 0.62) 4217.6595 3336 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4217.6595 four quadrants, 4218.6667 3337 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4218.6667 (pause 0.53) 4219.1971 3338 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4219.1971 and on the outskirts of s- 4220.9784 3339 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4220.9784 (pause 0.31) 4221.2908 3340 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4221.2908 uh- o- of- the- 4222.0835 3341 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4222.0835 (pause 0.18) 4222.2653 3342 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4222.2653 East of the river is Ward Nine. 4223.8507 3343 DCB_int_01 4225.1412 Mm-hm. 4225.9992 3344 DCB_int_01 4225.9992 (pause 0.84) 4226.8431 3345 DCB_int_01 4226.8431 Cause that's where a [lot of-] 4227.9436 3346 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4227.4400 [You know one time] they tried to make um, 4230.7879 3347 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4231.8126 Georgetown 4232.7032 3348 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4232.7032 (pause 1.45) 4234.1534 3349 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4234.1534 part of Montgomery County. 4235.2259 3350 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4235.2259 (pause 0.18) 4235.4031 3351 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4235.4031 Did you know that? 4236.0186 3352 DCB_int_01 4236.1491 I didn't. 4236.6900 3353 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4237.3463 Oh. 4237.6075 3354 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4237.6075 (pause 0.22) 4237.8266 3355 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4237.8266 There was a time that ha- 4238.7685 3356 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4238.7685 (pause 0.53) 4239.2954 3357 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4239.2954 That was there. 4239.8596 3358 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4239.8596 (pause 0.25) 4240.1068 3359 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4240.1068 Mm-hm. 4240.4798 3360 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4240.4798 (pause 0.47) 4240.9508 3361 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4240.9508 And Marion Barry was like, wow. 4242.3730 3362 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4242.3730 (pause 2.04) 4244.4141 3363 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4244.4141 They wanted to make that 4245.1089 3364 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4245.1089 (pause 0.36) 4245.4726 3365 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4245.4726 part of Montgomery County. 4246.5591 3366 DCB_int_01 4246.5125 So come in on [the other side, as you come off of- Mm-hm.] 4249.4547 3367 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4247.2399 [Like /Unintelligible/ Boulevard] and over [that way. /Unintelligible/. Oh yeah yeah] yeah yeah yeah. 4252.5984 3368 DCB_int_01 4250.0571 [Reservoir, so as you come /unintelligible/, um, ] 4252.0482 3369 DCB_int_01 4252.0482 (pause 0.48) 4252.5331 3370 DCB_int_01 4252.5331 Clara Barton Parkway? 4253.7268 3371 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4253.7828 Mm-hm. 4254.2537 3372 DCB_int_01 4255.8939 I'm not surprised by that though. 4257.3114 3373 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4257.4513 Mm-hm. And w- And 4258.4725 3374 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4258.4725 (pause 0.33) 4258.8035 3375 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4258.8035 how did they consume all of Georgia up? That's where the slaves came in- They lived over there. 4262.9197 3376 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4262.9197 (pause 1.61) 4264.5331 3377 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4264.5331 That ch- 4264.7756 3378 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4264.7756 (pause 0.18) 4264.9528 3379 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4264.9528 That black church over there on P Street 4266.8645 3380 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4266.8645 (pause 0.51) 4267.3763 3381 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4267.3763 corner, 4267.8006 3382 DCB_int_01 4268.8545 Mm-hm. 4269.3814 3383 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4269.4466 they [wanna-] 4269.8243 3384 DCB_int_01 4269.7124 [I can't] think of the intersection [but I know where you're] talking [about.] 4271.8760 3385 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4270.9761 [Mm-hm.] 4271.4330 3386 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4271.4330 (pause 0.34) 4271.7734 3387 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4271.7734 [They] wanted that church gone. 4273.1350 3388 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4275.0736 They wanted it gone. 4275.9829 3389 DCB_int_01 4278.3843 Mm. 4278.7713 3390 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4279.5582 They have still- /sprinkle/- a few black people who still live over there. 4282.2160 3391 DCB_int_01 4282.5844 It's /sprinkley/. It's very- 4284.0812 3392 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4284.1371 [/Sprinkling/. They don't-] Move- Bought 'em out. 4286.0944 3393 DCB_int_01 4284.5661 [It's ch-] 4285.0359 3394 DCB_int_01 4285.0359 (pause 0.27) 4285.3064 3395 DCB_int_01 4285.3064 [It ain't much.] [Yeah. Mm-mm.] 4287.1482 3396 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4286.2716 [Yeah.] 4286.6726 3397 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4287.3814 Mm-hm. 4287.8103 3398 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4287.8103 (pause 1.00) 4288.8129 3399 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4288.8129 Metropolitan AME Baptist Church downtown, they try to 4292.1457 3400 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4292.1457 (pause 0.27) 4292.4115 3401 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4292.4115 get 'em out. 4292.8824 3402 DCB_int_01 4294.6730 But didn't they just- 4295.3678 3403 DCB_int_01 4295.3678 (pause 0.65) 4296.0206 3404 DCB_int_01 4296.0206 rebuild- 4296.7153 3405 DCB_int_01 4296.7153 (pause 0.13) 4296.8459 3406 DCB_int_01 4296.8459 Aren't [they] [rebuilding?] 4297.7913 3407 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4296.9893 [Not-] 4297.2084 3408 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4297.2084 (pause 0.33) 4297.5349 3409 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4297.5349 [Not-] 4297.8193 3410 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4298.1737 Me- Metropolitan /Beechum Hicks/ on Fifteenth and 4300.8082 3411 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4300.8082 (pause 0.18) 4300.9901 3412 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4300.9901 um, Vermont, not that one. 4302.4495 3413 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4302.4495 (pause 0.47) 4302.9158 3414 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4302.9158 Metropolitan AME downtown- 4304.7845 3415 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4304.7845 (pause 0.12) 4304.9011 3416 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4304.9011 All the way downtown. 4306.3000 3417 DCB_int_01 4307.1952 Okay, further in. Like, deep deep in. 4309.2096 3418 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4309.2283 Off of- Off- Down there, off of um- 4311.4886 3419 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4311.4886 (pause 2.23) 4313.7175 3420 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4313.7175 It's not far from Brooks Brothers. 4316.2996 3421 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4316.2996 (pause 0.58) 4316.8778 3422 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4316.8778 It's over [that /way/.] 4317.7078 3423 DCB_int_01 4317.1389 [Oh, oh], oh, oh, oh [okay.] 4318.5284 3424 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4318.2953 [It sits] in the middle of the street. 4319.5403 3425 DCB_int_01 4319.9739 Okay. 4320.4169 3426 DCB_int_01 4320.4169 (pause 0.09) 4320.5102 3427 DCB_int_01 4320.5102 [Okay. Okay. I was-] I was up. I was [too far up.] 4323.0456 3428 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4320.7748 [It's a black church.] 4321.4742 3429 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4321.4742 (pause 0.91) 4322.3835 3430 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4322.3835 [Yeah, it's a black] church. 4323.4093 3431 DCB_se2_ag4_f_01 4324.3186 Mm-hm. 4324.8455