Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DCB_int_01 0.5292 And, 1.2921 2 DCB_int_01 1.2921 (pause 0.25) 1.5454 3 DCB_int_01 1.5454 were you born in DC? 2.5739 4 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2.8299 I was born in DC at Georgetown University Hospital. 5.5632 5 DCB_int_01 5.9512 Oh, 6.1633 6 DCB_int_01 6.1633 (pause 0.18) 6.3434 7 DCB_int_01 6.3434 woop woop. 6.8716 8 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 6.8917 [Mm-hm.] 8.8125 9 DCB_int_01 7.1518 [GU.] 7.6880 10 DCB_int_01 8.9086 Um, 9.7090 11 DCB_int_01 9.7090 (pause 0.15) 9.8569 12 DCB_int_01 9.8569 what do you consider your neighborhood that you- what do you call home- your neighborhood that you call home? 14.0102 13 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 14.8750 In DC [the neighborhood] I call home is Deanwood. 17.0280 14 DCB_int_01 15.5113 [Mm.] 15.7874 15 DCB_int_01 17.0960 Deanwood. 17.6283 16 DCB_int_01 17.6283 (pause 1.57) 19.2009 17 DCB_int_01 19.2009 And have you lived here all your life? 20.3809 18 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 21.1656 I've n- 21.7619 19 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 21.7619 (pause 0.12) 21.8780 20 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 21.8780 I've lived here the majority of my [life.] 23.6028 21 DCB_int_01 23.4706 [And] 23.9519 22 DCB_int_01 24.1229 where are some other places you lived? 25.4882 23 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 25.5716 I've lived in Richmond, Virginia. 27.0683 24 DCB_int_01 28.3527 How long? 28.8194 25 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 29.5613 I lived there 31.0620 26 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 31.0620 (pause 0.47) 31.5296 27 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 31.5296 five, six years. 34.0231 28 DCB_int_01 35.0596 Anywhere else? 35.6209 29 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 35.8598 That's it. 36.1705 30 DCB_int_01 36.9842 So yeah, the majority. 37.8566 31 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 38.0087 Mm-hm. 38.2368 32 DCB_int_01 38.3008 Um, 39.0915 33 DCB_int_01 39.0915 (pause 0.39) 39.4814 34 DCB_int_01 39.4814 any other neighborhoods besides Deanwood? 41.1582 35 DCB_int_01 41.1582 (pause 0.18) 41.3381 36 DCB_int_01 41.3381 Have you moved around a lot? 42.4866 37 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 43.0869 Um, I grew up in Deanwood, 44.3656 38 DCB_int_01 44.4194 Mm-hm. 44.7036 39 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 44.8516 in DC. 45.5290 40 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 45.5290 (pause 0.38) 45.9121 41 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 45.9121 Um, 46.5068 42 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 46.5068 (pause 0.89) 47.3927 43 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 47.3927 after I came back to DC- 49.5199 44 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 49.5199 (pause 0.41) 49.9297 45 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 49.9297 um, the DC area, I lived in 51.8906 46 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 51.8906 (pause 0.18) 52.0746 47 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 52.0746 Riverdale, 52.6786 48 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 52.6786 (pause 1.28) 53.9635 49 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 53.9635 Bladensburg, 54.8555 50 DCB_int_01 55.4881 Mm-hm. 55.8882 51 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 56.8287 Brentwood, 57.5290 52 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 57.5290 (pause 1.20) 58.7336 53 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 58.7336 and now Cheverly. 59.6002 54 DCB_int_01 62.1189 Perfect. 62.5909 55 DCB_int_01 62.5909 (pause 0.74) 63.3314 56 DCB_int_01 63.3314 And 64.1917 57 DCB_int_01 64.1917 (pause 0.26) 64.4558 58 DCB_int_01 64.4558 where'd you go to school? 65.2641 59 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 66.1285 High school or [college?] 67.3330 60 DCB_int_01 67.1169 [High] school and college. 68.1974 61 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 68.3454 High school I attended St. Patrick's Academy 70.6224 62 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 70.6224 (pause 0.27) 70.8906 63 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 70.8906 in Northwest DC. 72.0711 64 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 72.0711 (pause 1.68) 73.7518 65 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 73.7518 College I attended Virginia Commonwealth University. 76.3170 66 DCB_int_01 76.4639 76.5359 67 DCB_int_01 76.5359 (pause 0.13) 76.6650 68 DCB_int_01 76.6650 [VCU.] 77.6534 69 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 77.4732 [Mm.] 77.6773 70 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 77.8374 [] 78.3416 71 DCB_int_01 77.8774 [Shaka Smart.] 78.5934 72 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 78.5537 [] 79.4311 73 DCB_int_01 78.6778 [Loved him.] 79.2701 74 DCB_int_01 79.6743 But he- now he's in Texas. 80.8788 75 DCB_int_01 80.8788 (pause 0.66) 81.5350 76 DCB_int_01 81.5350 Um, and what's your occupation? 83.5265 77 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 84.1681 My occupation is executive 86.8813 78 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 86.8813 (pause 0.19) 87.0693 79 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 87.0693 assistant 87.6573 80 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 87.6573 (pause 0.46) 88.1178 81 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 88.1178 at Boys and Girls Clubs of Greater Washington. 90.0347 82 DCB_int_01 92.6677 And where was your father born? 94.3124 83 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 94.4325 My father was born in Rich 96.0292 84 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 96.0292 (pause 0.20) 96.2332 85 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 96.2332 Square 96.7614 86 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 96.7614 (pause 0.31) 97.0696 87 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 97.0696 North Carolina. 97.8682 88 DCB_int_01 99.3625 Rich 99.9548 89 DCB_int_01 99.9548 (pause 0.21) 100.1669 90 DCB_int_01 100.1669 Square? 100.8472 91 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 100.8511 [Yes.] 101.4834 92 DCB_int_01 101.3273 [And] w- 101.6406 93 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 101.8195 [It's-] 102.1555 94 DCB_int_01 101.8235 [where-] 102.1197 95 DCB_int_01 102.2037 is [that near-] 102.8704 96 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 102.3158 [it's about as] big as this room. 103.8325 97 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 104.2765 It is very North 105.9053 98 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 105.9053 (pause 0.07) 105.9773 99 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 105.9773 and very East 107.2338 100 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 107.2338 (pause 0.62) 107.8541 101 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 107.8541 um, in the state. 108.8034 102 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 108.8034 (pause 0.36) 109.1587 103 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 109.1587 so it's about 110.1631 104 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 110.1631 (pause 0.25) 110.4151 105 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 110.4151 an 110.5592 106 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 110.5592 (pause 0.14) 110.6953 107 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 110.6953 hour from Emporia, Virginia. 112.6162 108 DCB_int_01 113.0722 Gotcha. 113.3949 109 DCB_int_01 113.3949 (pause 0.17) 113.5685 110 DCB_int_01 113.5685 Okay so it's not- it's- yeah, yeah, yeah, you're at the top. 116.2097 111 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 116.3016 [Mm-hm.] 116.8336 112 DCB_int_01 116.3256 [Kind of close] to the border, okay. 117.7403 113 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 117.8503 Mm-hm. 118.3663 114 DCB_int_01 118.4386 Mommy? 118.8188 115 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 119.2468 My mother was born in Taylors, South Carolina. 121.3598 116 DCB_int_01 121.6839 Oh, okay. 122.4799 117 DCB_int_01 122.4799 (pause 0.60) 123.0845 118 DCB_int_01 123.0845 They liketa be neighbors. 124.1890 119 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 124.3930 125.3854 120 DCB_int_01 126.2018 Um, what did your dad do? 127.3045 121 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 128.5387 My father 129.9393 122 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 129.9393 (pause 0.62) 130.5636 123 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 130.5636 um, 130.8397 124 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 130.8397 (pause 0.17) 131.0118 125 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 131.0118 who's now retired, 131.9385 126 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 131.9385 (pause 0.35) 132.2844 127 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 132.2844 was 133.2088 128 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 133.2088 (pause 0.18) 133.3889 129 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 133.3889 a- 134.0652 130 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 134.0652 (pause 1.08) 135.1455 131 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 135.1455 a janitorial supervisor. 136.6855 132 DCB_int_01 138.7431 Where? 139.0485 133 DCB_int_01 139.0485 (pause 0.60) 139.6513 134 DCB_int_01 139.6513 at different places? Was it one company that he was 142.1925 135 DCB_int_01 142.1925 (pause 0.12) 142.3085 136 DCB_int_01 142.3085 for the most part? 143.0379 137 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 143.2930 Um, 143.8010 138 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 143.8010 (pause 1.50) 145.3018 139 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 145.3018 two major companies. 146.1418 140 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 146.1418 (pause 0.10) 146.2422 141 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 146.2422 One he worked for um, 148.0911 142 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 148.0911 (pause 0.45) 148.5391 143 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 148.5391 Architect of the Capitol. 149.7417 144 DCB_int_01 150.1878 Mm. 150.4399 145 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 151.0802 So he was the s- 152.1247 146 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 152.1247 (pause 0.32) 152.4489 147 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 152.4489 janitorial supervisor for the senate office- all the senate office buildings. 156.1328 148 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 156.1328 (pause 0.63) 156.7626 149 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 156.7626 And he retired 157.8791 150 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 157.8791 (pause 0.11) 157.9912 151 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 157.9912 as the 158.8699 152 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 158.8699 (pause 1.77) 160.6443 153 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 160.6443 um, janitorial supervisor and grounds 163.8201 154 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 163.8201 (pause 0.25) 164.0697 155 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 164.0697 keeper supervisor at Gallaudet University. 166.3148 156 DCB_int_01 166.5988 Oh. 167.5589 157 DCB_int_01 167.5589 (pause 2.49) 170.0521 158 DCB_int_01 170.0521 I love them. 170.7044 159 DCB_int_01 170.7044 (pause 0.13) 170.8365 160 DCB_int_01 170.8365 I've- I've taken classes there, just did a presentation there not too long ago. 174.1580 161 DCB_int_01 174.1580 (pause 0.74) 174.9021 162 DCB_int_01 174.9021 Um, and what about Mom? 176.2027 163 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 176.6229 My mother uh, retired also, worked for department of the Army as 181.2051 164 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 181.2051 (pause 0.34) 181.5451 165 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 181.5451 an insurance benefits examiner. 183.2598 166 DCB_int_01 186.8793 Perfect. 187.4676 167 DCB_int_01 187.4676 (pause 0.54) 188.0117 168 DCB_int_01 188.0117 Alright so that's all I'm gonna write, no more writing for me. 190.2246 169 DCB_int_01 190.2246 (pause 1.24) 191.4652 170 DCB_int_01 191.4652 Alright so let's kind of back up 192.9539 171 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 193.2220 [Okay.] 193.6140 172 DCB_int_01 193.3181 [And let's] like- like get into 194.6661 173 DCB_int_01 195.3309 so you were 195.8671 174 DCB_int_01 195.8671 (pause 0.25) 196.1152 175 DCB_int_01 196.1152 Deanwood, 196.8259 176 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 197.0195 [Mm-hm.] 197.4037 177 DCB_int_01 197.1636 [So what] do you remember- 198.2689 178 DCB_int_01 198.6323 First of all do you have siblings? Are you an only child? 201.0254 179 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 201.1813 I'm an only child. 201.8853 180 DCB_int_01 202.7889 I did not know that, that's why I love doing this because 205.3368 181 DCB_int_01 205.3368 (pause 0.72) 206.0552 182 DCB_int_01 206.0552 I've known /RD-NAME-2/ for three years, 207.2758 183 DCB_int_01 207.2758 (pause 0.66) 207.9361 184 DCB_int_01 207.9361 never heard her story. 209.0246 185 DCB_int_01 209.0246 (pause 0.07) 209.0966 186 DCB_int_01 209.0966 I've known you for- it's been what, 210.4132 187 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 210.7333 Almost a year? 211.2253 188 DCB_int_01 210.8413 n- almost a year? Yeah you kidding, ooh you [hitting that mark.] 213.6666 189 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 213.0423 [Mm-hm.] 213.5196 190 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 213.7026 [Mm-hm.] 214.2069 191 DCB_int_01 213.9587 [Feels] probably like 214.7028 192 DCB_int_01 215.0950 lots of years. 215.8714 193 DCB_int_01 215.8714 (pause 0.30) 216.1675 194 DCB_int_01 216.1675 Amen. 216.5435 195 DCB_int_01 216.5435 (pause 0.37) 216.9119 196 DCB_int_01 216.9119 Um, 217.7559 197 DCB_int_01 217.7559 (pause 0.30) 218.0524 198 DCB_int_01 218.0524 but 218.4926 199 DCB_int_01 218.4926 (pause 0.10) 218.5965 200 DCB_int_01 218.5965 uh, so I love to get to know this. Okay so you're an only [child.] 221.7300 201 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 221.6139 [Mm-hm.] 222.0312 202 DCB_int_01 222.2086 222.2916 203 DCB_int_01 222.2916 (pause 0.47) 222.7638 204 DCB_int_01 222.7638 And you grew up- 224.0444 205 DCB_int_01 224.0444 (pause 0.26) 224.3070 206 DCB_int_01 224.3070 Did you live in a house, a townhouse, an apartment? 227.2083 207 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 227.2843 We lived in a single family house. 228.6489 208 DCB_int_01 228.8209 [Oh, okay.] 229.4492 209 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 228.9850 [My parents] s- well my father still in the house, yeah. 231.1058 210 DCB_int_01 231.3499 Oh. 231.6461 211 DCB_int_01 231.6461 (pause 0.19) 231.8382 212 DCB_int_01 231.8382 [So you still-] 232.3864 213 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 231.8542 [Mm-hm.] 232.2463 214 DCB_int_01 232.5145 do you go back to- oh, [obviously.] 233.9638 215 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 233.3388 [I was in Deanwood] last night at his house. 235.2878 216 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 235.6878 [] 236.6162 217 DCB_int_01 235.6918 [Perfect, okay so describe-] describe like your neighborhood, your house and what do you remember like the kids you used to play with. 241.4541 218 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 241.8863 [Mm-hm.] 242.3945 219 DCB_int_01 242.1184 [Um], 242.5186 220 DCB_int_01 242.8227 tell me a little [bit about that.] 244.0147 221 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 243.2910 [So-] 243.8392 222 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 244.3314 Well when I was growing up in the sixties and seventies, Deanwood 247.4328 223 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 247.4328 (pause 0.12) 247.5528 224 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 247.5528 w- 247.6369 225 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 247.6369 (pause 0.10) 247.7329 226 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 247.7329 was more like 249.1055 227 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 249.1055 (pause 0.24) 249.3414 228 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 249.3414 the suburb of DC. 250.7661 229 DCB_int_01 250.7220 [Mm.] 251.0142 230 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 250.9101 [A] suburb more so than inner city. 253.1912 231 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 253.5832 Um, actually where I grew up right on the border across from 256.8087 232 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 256.8087 (pause 0.14) 256.9447 233 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 256.9447 Maryland. 257.4033 234 DCB_int_01 257.5449 Mm-hm. 257.9171 235 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 257.9571 So, 258.2518 236 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 258.2518 (pause 1.32) 259.5739 237 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 259.5739 less than half a block away 260.7263 238 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 260.7263 (pause 0.11) 260.8383 239 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 260.8383 was Eastern Avenue, 261.9949 240 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 261.9949 (pause 0.15) 262.1429 241 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 262.1429 and then across Eastern Avenue was 263.4956 242 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 263.4956 (pause 0.09) 263.5834 243 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 263.5834 PG County. 264.2437 244 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 264.2437 (pause 0.48) 264.7199 245 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 264.7199 Um, 265.0826 246 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 265.0826 (pause 0.54) 265.6203 247 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 265.6203 so it was quiet. 266.6768 248 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 266.6768 (pause 1.17) 267.8493 249 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 267.8493 Uh, my street didn't even have s- 269.3419 250 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 269.3419 (pause 0.17) 269.5100 251 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 269.5100 sidewalks on it 270.4424 252 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 270.4424 (pause 0.49) 270.9346 253 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 270.9346 until after I moved away to college. 272.8275 254 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 272.8275 (pause 0.75) 273.5798 255 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 273.5798 So it was- it was very quiet s- uh, 275.9609 256 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 275.9609 (pause 0.26) 276.2207 257 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 276.2207 our block was nothing but single family homes. 278.6218 258 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 278.6218 (pause 0.45) 279.0700 259 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 279.0700 Um, 279.6502 260 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 279.6502 (pause 0.13) 279.7782 261 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 279.7782 our house was the last house 282.0473 262 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 282.0473 (pause 0.62) 282.6675 263 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 282.6675 in that block- on that street to be built. 285.0526 264 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 285.0526 (pause 0.88) 285.9289 265 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 285.9289 Um, so it was the newer one it was built- 288.2379 266 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 288.2379 (pause 0.49) 288.7260 267 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 288.7260 we moved in it when I was four. 289.9874 268 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 289.9874 (pause 0.81) 290.7949 269 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 290.7949 So and we still own the house still, 292.4476 270 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 292.4476 (pause 0.13) 292.5797 271 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 292.5797 our fam- 292.9038 272 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 292.9038 (pause 0.19) 293.0919 273 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 293.0919 the family house. 293.8443 274 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 293.8443 (pause 0.59) 294.4364 275 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 294.4364 And um, 295.5369 276 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 295.5369 (pause 0.30) 295.8329 277 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 295.8329 I just remember it just being really really quiet, 298.1460 278 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 298.1460 (pause 0.53) 298.6783 279 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 298.6783 there were not a lot of children. 300.9713 280 DCB_int_01 301.6555 Mm. 301.9436 281 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 301.8876 Um, 302.4930 282 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 302.7994 302.8369 283 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 302.8369 (pause 0.05) 302.8860 284 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 302.8860 maybe 303.5953 285 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 303.5953 (pause 0.09) 303.6803 286 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 303.6803 in our block there was only 305.5328 287 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 305.5328 (pause 1.29) 306.8217 288 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 306.8217 two other houses that had 307.9142 289 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 307.9142 (pause 0.46) 308.3703 290 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 308.3703 kids my age or around my age. 310.2111 291 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 310.2111 (pause 0.52) 310.7353 292 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 310.7353 And I was the youngest. 311.5807 293 DCB_int_01 312.3158 Did you play with them? 313.0118 294 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 313.5364 Um, 314.4568 295 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 314.4568 (pause 0.44) 314.9010 296 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 314.9010 314.9460 297 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 314.9460 (pause 0.20) 315.1451 298 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 315.1451 the kids next door, no. 316.4256 299 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 316.4256 (pause 0.49) 316.9178 300 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 316.9178 They were 317.8223 301 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 317.8223 (pause 0.13) 317.9503 302 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 317.9503 um, a little older, 319.1869 303 DCB_int_01 319.2988 Mm-hm. 319.5950 304 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 319.8472 and um, 320.8395 305 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 320.8395 (pause 0.11) 320.9476 306 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 320.9476 not considered a good influence for me. 323.2166 307 DCB_int_01 324.0569 Okay. 324.4931 308 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 324.5171 Mm-hm. 324.9613 309 DCB_int_01 325.2174 So what did you do to fill your 327.0103 310 DCB_int_01 327.0103 (pause 0.21) 327.2221 311 DCB_int_01 327.2221 time like, 328.1625 312 DCB_int_01 328.1625 (pause 0.07) 328.2306 313 DCB_int_01 328.2306 you know? 328.6066 314 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 329.5632 Um, 330.1115 315 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 330.1115 (pause 0.57) 330.6797 316 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 330.6797 I was very studious. 332.7327 317 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 332.7327 (pause 0.60) 333.3367 318 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 333.3367 I was just talking with 335.5457 319 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 335.5457 (pause 0.16) 335.7058 320 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 335.7058 /RD-NAME-2/ 336.1460 321 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 336.1460 (pause 0.10) 336.2500 322 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 336.2500 today, 336.6983 323 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 336.6983 (pause 0.52) 337.2185 324 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 337.2185 um, cause sh- 337.7027 325 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 337.7027 (pause 0.14) 337.8467 326 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 337.8467 we were talking about movies and TVs, when I was growing up I was not allowed to watch TV 341.8293 327 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 341.8293 (pause 0.54) 342.3686 328 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 342.3686 on 342.9489 329 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 342.9489 (pause 0.55) 343.4970 330 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 343.4970 weekdays or school days I could only watch TV on the weekends. 346.3904 331 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 346.3904 (pause 0.37) 346.7584 332 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 346.7584 I was not allowed to be on the phone past eight o'clock at night. 349.4837 333 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 349.4837 (pause 0.67) 350.1517 334 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 350.1517 So it was mostly 351.0041 335 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 351.0041 (pause 0.10) 351.1082 336 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 351.1082 reading, listening to music. 352.8130 337 DCB_int_01 353.7534 So now, 354.3015 338 DCB_int_01 354.3015 (pause 0.08) 354.3856 339 DCB_int_01 354.3856 the sixties so, 355.4459 340 DCB_int_01 355.4459 (pause 0.44) 355.8821 341 DCB_int_01 355.8821 TV was- 356.9088 342 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 357.3228 [Black and white?] 357.8671 343 DCB_int_01 357.4869 [it was-] 357.8671 344 DCB_int_01 357.9591 [Mm-hm.] 358.4113 345 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 358.0952 [] 359.0071 346 DCB_int_01 359.0476 It- it was just getting it's 360.6122 347 DCB_int_01 360.6122 (pause 0.17) 360.7843 348 DCB_int_01 360.7843 go. 361.2485 349 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 361.3165 Uh-huh. 361.6127 350 DCB_int_01 361.5767 Um, do you remember like any- 363.0974 351 DCB_int_01 363.6735 What used to be your favorite TV show and like when you- 366.5148 352 DCB_int_01 366.5148 (pause 0.29) 366.8068 353 DCB_int_01 366.8068 you guys got your n- 367.8175 354 DCB_int_01 367.8175 (pause 0.22) 368.0394 355 DCB_int_01 368.0394 color TV and like- 369.4040 356 DCB_int_01 369.4040 (pause 0.49) 369.8961 357 DCB_int_01 369.8961 [Do you remember] that? 370.7845 358 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 369.9242 [Mm-hm.] 370.5164 359 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 370.8486 Mm-hm. 371.1887 360 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 371.1887 (pause 0.60) 371.7929 361 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 371.7929 I do. 372.1210 362 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 372.1210 (pause 0.31) 372.4332 363 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 372.4332 I remember. 373.0175 364 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 373.0175 (pause 0.38) 373.3936 365 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 373.3936 Um, and I remember the time when we had both black and white and color TVs [cause], yeah. 377.6235 366 DCB_int_01 376.9311 [Mm.] 377.2273 367 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 378.1956 Um, 378.7279 368 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 378.7279 (pause 0.94) 379.6643 369 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 379.6643 it was- like I said I wasn't allowed to watch TV during the week, only on the weekends or if I could sneak in 384.6145 370 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 384.6145 (pause 0.34) 384.9504 371 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 384.9504 like 385.1184 372 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 385.1184 (pause 0.10) 385.2145 373 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 385.2145 sit next to my father while he was doing something I would watch TV. 388.3758 374 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 388.3758 (pause 0.46) 388.8400 375 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 388.8400 But the TV shows that I remember 390.7849 376 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 390.7849 (pause 0.42) 391.2091 377 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 391.2091 um, are- I was just talking about this today- are like, Bewitched, 394.8467 378 DCB_int_01 395.0908 Mm-hm. 395.5921 379 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 395.7510 um, 396.4953 380 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 396.4953 (pause 0.11) 396.6074 381 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 396.6074 I Dream of [Jeannie,] 397.7118 382 DCB_int_01 397.5517 [Yup.] 397.9799 383 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 398.1370 398.2090 384 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 398.2090 (pause 0.60) 398.8123 385 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 398.8123 Brady Bunch which came later, Gilligan's Island, 401.7577 386 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 401.7577 (pause 0.44) 402.1977 387 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 402.1977 um, that kind of thing. 402.9821 388 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 402.9821 (pause 0.47) 403.4542 389 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 403.4542 The only thing that I was allowed to watch on my own 406.3916 390 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 406.3916 (pause 0.20) 406.5915 391 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 406.5915 was Roots when Roots came out because my father felt that was something educational and I needed to know about. 411.0736 392 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 411.0736 (pause 0.45) 411.5216 393 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 411.5216 Um, 411.9017 394 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 411.9017 (pause 0.11) 412.0098 395 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 412.0098 but other than that it was no TV for me. 414.0547 396 DCB_int_01 414.8911 And then- So where'd you go to ele- elementary school? Were you in the neighborhood or did you go [outside the neighborhood?] 419.0409 397 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 418.1338 418.1798 398 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 418.1798 (pause 0.06) 418.2438 399 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 418.2438 [I started-] 418.7758 400 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 418.7758 (pause 0.10) 418.8766 401 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 418.8766 [I] started off in the neighborhood, it was- 420.3813 402 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 420.5174 um, the school was uh, /RD-school-2/ Elementary School, 423.0385 403 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 423.0385 (pause 0.16) 423.1985 404 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 423.1985 which was in the neighborhood. 424.1389 405 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 424.1389 (pause 0.49) 424.6271 406 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 424.6271 I was there up until sixth grade and then I transferred to /RD-SCHOOL-5/, 429.8631 407 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 429.8631 (pause 0.69) 430.5536 408 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 430.5536 um, 431.0539 409 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 431.0539 (pause 0.28) 431.3380 410 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 431.3380 which is down on New York and New Jersey Avenue. 433.3549 411 DCB_int_01 433.4307 [Mm-hm.] 433.8229 412 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 433.6068 [And then] from there I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 435.2814 413 DCB_int_01 435.5237 Okay. 435.9519 414 DCB_int_01 435.9519 (pause 0.24) 436.1920 415 DCB_int_01 436.1920 So, 437.1044 416 DCB_int_01 437.1044 (pause 0.18) 437.2885 417 DCB_int_01 437.2885 very much it seems Catholic school, 440.0416 418 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 440.1377 [Mm-hm.] 440.7364 419 DCB_int_01 440.1737 [religious] 440.8500 420 DCB_int_01 440.9181 type education? 441.8274 421 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 442.1465 Right. 442.3705 422 DCB_int_01 442.3906 Was that a- 442.6948 423 DCB_int_01 442.6948 (pause 0.28) 442.9749 424 DCB_int_01 442.9749 that was- was that your choice? [Or] 444.7754 425 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 444.3394 [No.] 445.0887 426 DCB_int_01 444.9357 [your] parent's choice and why did- 446.3603 427 DCB_int_01 446.4844 do you know why they- 447.1487 428 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 447.4487 Mm-hm. 447.8074 429 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 447.8074 (pause 0.72) 448.5292 430 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 448.5292 Um, it was not my choice it was their, we're not Catholic. 450.9503 431 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 450.9503 (pause 0.53) 451.4783 432 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 451.4783 Um, 452.0437 433 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 452.0437 (pause 0.09) 452.1386 434 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 452.1386 my parents wanted 453.8114 435 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 453.8114 (pause 0.10) 453.9115 436 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 453.9115 a better life and a better education for me 456.0364 437 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 456.0364 (pause 0.20) 456.2405 438 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 456.2405 than they had. 456.9246 439 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 456.9246 (pause 0.77) 457.6970 440 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 457.6970 And at the time, the m- 459.1977 441 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 459.1977 (pause 0.69) 459.8900 442 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 459.8900 we called it junior high school, they called it middle school, junior high school 462.7152 443 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 462.7152 (pause 0.08) 462.7952 444 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 462.7952 it [was-] 463.1113 445 DCB_int_01 462.9313 [It was just] seventh and eighth grade at that point. 464.5200 446 DCB_int_01 465.6604 [Sixth grade was] still with the little people. 467.0404 447 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 465.8085 [Si-] 466.1846 448 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 466.1846 (pause 0.84) 467.0289 449 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 467.0289 Right. 467.4491 450 DCB_int_01 467.4371 Mm-hm. 467.8133 451 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 468.0214 And 468.2255 452 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 468.2255 (pause 0.09) 468.3175 453 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 468.3175 at- 468.4922 454 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 468.4922 (pause 0.08) 468.5696 455 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 468.5696 during that time the- the junior high school in our neighborhood was 471.8351 456 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 471.8351 (pause 0.09) 471.9269 457 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 471.9269 notor- it was- 472.6873 458 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 472.6873 (pause 0.30) 472.9834 459 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 472.9834 had a really bad reputation. 474.4961 460 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 474.4961 (pause 0.53) 475.0284 461 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 475.0284 So um, 476.0288 462 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 476.0288 (pause 0.42) 476.4450 463 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 476.4450 they j- 476.8852 464 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 476.8852 (pause 1.13) 478.0136 465 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 478.0136 took me out of there and put me in the Catholic school for a better education and a better opportunity. 481.9033 466 DCB_int_01 482.5914 So when- now 483.4527 467 DCB_int_01 483.4527 (pause 0.10) 483.5558 468 DCB_int_01 483.5558 going back to your parents for a minute, 485.1726 469 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 485.3046 Mm-hm. 485.6248 470 DCB_int_01 485.9449 um, 486.6811 471 DCB_int_01 486.6811 (pause 0.59) 487.2734 472 DCB_int_01 487.2734 were they- did they graduate from high school? Did they have the opportunity to do that or did they stop? Or did they- were they able to go to college? 493.5843 473 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 494.1764 They graduated from high school. 495.7931 474 DCB_int_01 495.7850 Mm-hm. 496.1263 475 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 496.2372 Um, I was the first person in my family 498.2061 476 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 498.2061 (pause 0.08) 498.2861 477 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 498.2861 on both sides to go to college 499.7066 478 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 499.7066 (pause 0.28) 499.9867 479 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 499.9867 in my family. 500.7951 480 DCB_int_01 500.9151 And your 501.2153 481 DCB_int_01 501.2153 (pause 0.11) 501.3233 482 DCB_int_01 501.3233 parents by the time they graduate- were they here for high school or did they move here later after like when they were grown? 506.1735 483 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 506.3174 My mother was here from high school, 507.8541 484 DCB_int_01 507.8101 Okay. 508.0822 485 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 508.1102 um, 508.6625 486 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 508.6625 (pause 0.54) 509.2067 487 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 509.2067 my mother's parents died when she was eleven 511.0707 488 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 511.0707 (pause 0.42) 511.4956 489 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 511.4956 in South Carolina so 512.6962 490 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 512.6962 (pause 0.16) 512.8521 491 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 512.8521 her older sister who was twenty years older than her brought her to DC, 516.2816 492 DCB_int_01 516.2416 That's [how she ended up here], okay. 517.5302 493 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 516.4258 [and raised her.] 517.2022 494 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 517.9664 Um, 518.3105 495 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 518.3105 (pause 0.09) 518.3986 496 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 518.3986 my father 519.5991 497 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 519.5991 (pause 0.40) 519.9992 498 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 519.9992 came here 520.6915 499 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 520.6915 (pause 0.33) 521.0237 500 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 521.0237 right after high school. 522.0321 501 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 522.0321 (pause 0.61) 522.6443 502 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 522.6443 Um, he had older brothers 524.0850 503 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 524.0850 (pause 0.18) 524.2689 504 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 524.2689 who had 524.8492 505 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 524.8492 (pause 0.46) 525.3134 506 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 525.3134 moved here, 525.9694 507 DCB_int_01 526.1578 [Mm-hm.] 526.5764 508 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 526.2539 [and so] 526.6592 509 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 526.8101 they brought him up here. 527.8506 510 DCB_int_01 528.5267 [Gotcha.] 529.0307 511 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 528.7828 [And then] my mother's 529.9873 512 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 530.1074 older sister 531.0238 513 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 531.0238 (pause 0.18) 531.2039 514 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 531.2039 knew my father's family, 532.5245 515 DCB_int_01 532.6164 [I was just gonna say how'd they meet, mm-hm.] 534.2778 516 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 532.6486 [and then they got in-] 533.5569 517 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 533.5569 (pause 0.22) 533.7810 518 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 533.7810 [and they got introduced that way.] 535.2016 519 DCB_int_01 535.4537 Okay. 535.8671 520 DCB_int_01 535.8671 (pause 0.55) 536.4141 521 DCB_int_01 536.4141 So um, 537.6421 522 DCB_int_01 537.6421 (pause 0.46) 538.1028 523 DCB_int_01 538.1028 do you have other family in this area? 539.7402 524 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 541.3321 Um, 542.0961 525 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 542.0961 (pause 0.34) 542.4366 526 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 542.4366 I did. 543.0169 527 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 543.0169 (pause 1.23) 544.2493 528 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 544.2493 Um, 545.0177 529 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 545.0177 (pause 0.12) 545.1417 530 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 545.1417 I had an aunt. 545.7684 531 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 545.7684 (pause 0.16) 545.9261 532 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 545.9261 Well my parents are still here. 546.9466 533 DCB_int_01 547.0586 Mm-hm. 547.3187 534 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 547.4908 I had an aunt, the- the one that r- raised my mother. 550.0799 535 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 550.0799 (pause 0.32) 550.3999 536 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 550.3999 She died about six years- six, seven years ago. 552.7490 537 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 552.7490 (pause 0.98) 553.7333 538 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 553.7333 Uh, my father's siblings all 556.4586 539 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 556.4586 (pause 0.09) 556.5466 540 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 556.5466 moved back to North Carolina. 558.0813 541 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 558.0813 (pause 0.33) 558.4153 542 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 558.4153 [Except for him.] 559.1156 543 DCB_int_01 558.4273 [So it's just you] guys [here?] 559.8759 544 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 559.5718 [Mm-hm.] 560.0920 545 DCB_int_01 560.1921 Now 560.5162 546 DCB_int_01 560.5162 (pause 0.16) 560.6763 547 DCB_int_01 560.6763 are you s- guys still really tight? 562.2450 548 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 562.4370 [Yes.] 562.8532 549 DCB_int_01 562.5731 [Like your] family I know you have 564.0417 550 DCB_int_01 564.5380 um, 564.9993 551 DCB_int_01 564.9993 (pause 0.25) 565.2462 552 DCB_int_01 565.2462 sons. 565.8425 553 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 565.9305 [Mm-hm.] 566.2865 554 DCB_int_01 566.1746 [And] then your 566.7869 555 DCB_int_01 566.9149 parents- so you guys are still really really [close?] 569.2440 556 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 569.0758 [Yes.] 569.4958 557 DCB_int_01 569.5480 Do you get together for like Sunday dinner, 571.3528 558 DCB_int_01 571.3528 (pause 0.20) 571.5568 559 DCB_int_01 571.5568 football games, do y'all go out? 573.6618 560 DCB_int_01 573.6618 (pause 0.26) 573.9218 561 DCB_int_01 573.9218 Do y'all have any family traditions that y'all still- 575.9391 562 DCB_int_01 575.9391 (pause 0.38) 576.3189 563 DCB_int_01 576.3189 or that y'all are creating or trying to 577.8696 564 DCB_int_01 577.8696 (pause 0.36) 578.2317 565 DCB_int_01 578.2317 keep alive? 578.9570 566 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 580.0164 Um, 581.2170 567 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 581.2170 (pause 0.16) 581.3810 568 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 581.3810 not so much. 582.0292 569 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 582.0292 (pause 0.07) 582.0972 570 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 582.0972 I mean we do get together, there are things we will do as a family 585.7949 571 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 585.7949 (pause 0.45) 586.2429 572 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 586.2429 um, especially where my children are involved. 588.6640 573 DCB_int_01 588.7080 Mm-hm. 589.0587 574 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 589.0722 Um, 589.9806 575 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 589.9806 (pause 0.31) 590.2877 576 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 590.2877 590.3357 577 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 590.3357 (pause 0.19) 590.5218 578 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 590.5218 typically Chri- the 591.6933 579 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 591.6933 (pause 0.15) 591.8454 580 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 591.8454 family tradition that we have is Christmas, Christmas is at my house. 595.0347 581 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 595.0347 (pause 0.25) 595.2828 582 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 595.2828 So everyone comes to my house for [Christmas.] 597.6482 583 DCB_int_01 597.0475 [Because you have the] baby- [I mean they're not] really babies but- 599.2966 584 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 597.9880 [Because I-] 598.4133 585 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 599.3166 Right, 599.6487 586 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 599.6487 (pause 0.15) 599.7968 587 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 599.7968 [because-] 600.3331 588 DCB_int_01 599.8728 [but you have] the youngest. 600.9835 589 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 601.0293 Right. 601.3199 590 DCB_int_01 601.6415 So it's still a big deal for- 602.9301 591 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 603.0702 [Right it's an] all day Christmas thing in my house. [Yeah.] 605.7472 592 DCB_int_01 603.1941 [for them.] 603.5863 593 DCB_int_01 603.5863 (pause 1.93) 605.5191 594 DCB_int_01 605.5191 [Gotcha], okay. 606.4515 595 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 606.7917 [Mm-hm.] 607.2690 596 DCB_int_01 606.8237 [So let's go back] to high school 608.0002 597 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 608.0403 [Okay.] 608.2923 598 DCB_int_01 608.1282 [because] I think that before I 610.1730 599 DCB_int_01 610.2851 jump to your family I kind of wanna talk a little bit more about- 612.8021 600 DCB_int_01 612.8021 (pause 0.10) 612.9063 601 DCB_int_01 612.9063 about you. 613.5225 602 DCB_int_01 613.5225 (pause 0.88) 614.4068 603 DCB_int_01 614.4068 So tell me about 615.2272 604 DCB_int_01 615.2272 (pause 0.88) 616.1116 605 DCB_int_01 616.1116 what you remember. 616.9280 606 DCB_int_01 616.9280 (pause 0.24) 617.1719 607 DCB_int_01 617.1719 DC high school is a big deal. Where [you go to high] school, who you associate with, 621.4178 608 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 619.0247 [Mm-hm.] 619.5049 609 DCB_int_01 621.7219 that kind of is a 622.8024 610 DCB_int_01 622.8024 (pause 0.15) 622.9504 611 DCB_int_01 622.9504 big part of your identity. 624.2990 612 DCB_int_01 624.2990 (pause 0.43) 624.7271 613 DCB_int_01 624.7271 So 625.3885 614 DCB_int_01 625.3885 (pause 0.16) 625.5475 615 DCB_int_01 625.5475 going to Catholic school, was it a big school, small school, what was your favorite subject, who- 629.5694 616 DCB_int_01 629.5694 (pause 0.14) 629.7053 617 DCB_int_01 629.7053 who did you hang out with? 630.8738 618 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 631.5660 It was small. 632.4785 619 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 632.4785 (pause 0.16) 632.6345 620 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 632.6345 My graduating class was sixty three. 634.5434 621 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 634.5434 (pause 0.62) 635.1636 622 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 635.1636 And it was all girls school so there were only sixty three in my graduating class and that was in nineteen eighty one. 639.4773 623 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 639.4773 (pause 0.83) 640.3057 624 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 640.3057 So um, 641.5684 625 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 641.5684 (pause 0.34) 641.9035 626 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 641.9035 641.9415 627 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 641.9415 (pause 0.10) 642.0464 628 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 642.0464 I 642.5746 629 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 642.5746 (pause 0.24) 642.8188 630 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 642.8188 wasn't really part of the in-crowd. 644.1835 631 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 644.1835 (pause 0.08) 644.2633 632 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 644.2633 I was a dork, I was a geek. 645.3748 633 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 645.3748 (pause 0.22) 645.5969 634 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 645.5969 647.0325 635 DCB_int_01 647.0084 Which are now the [coolest kids.] 648.6132 636 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 647.6728 [] 648.0009 637 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 648.0009 (pause 0.12) 648.1170 638 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 648.1170 [Which are- are] now the coolest kids you know I 650.2259 639 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 650.7142 was 651.4785 640 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 651.4785 (pause 0.33) 651.8105 641 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 651.8105 um, 652.4732 642 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 652.4732 (pause 0.43) 652.8990 643 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 652.8990 you know 653.0911 644 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 653.0911 (pause 0.12) 653.2152 645 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 653.2152 very thin 654.2557 646 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 654.2557 (pause 0.54) 654.7918 647 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 654.7918 and- and young, my birthday doesn't come until December so I was always the youngest 658.6409 648 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 658.6409 (pause 0.14) 658.7815 649 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 658.7815 in- in- 659.3429 650 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 659.3429 (pause 0.09) 659.4338 651 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 659.4338 in my class. 660.2192 652 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 660.2192 (pause 0.44) 660.6543 653 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 660.6543 Um, 661.1025 654 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 661.1025 (pause 0.15) 661.2545 655 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 661.2545 also 662.0069 656 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 662.0069 (pause 0.25) 662.2590 657 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 662.2590 which is very interesting, when I was growing up 664.7160 658 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 664.7160 (pause 0.18) 664.9001 659 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 664.9001 in- even in elementary school 666.4448 660 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 666.4448 (pause 0.50) 666.9408 661 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 666.9408 not so much in high school but more so in elementary school in the neighborhood school, 670.3464 662 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 670.3464 (pause 0.68) 671.0307 663 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 671.0307 um, 671.4029 664 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 671.4029 (pause 0.43) 671.8308 665 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 671.8308 my father's family 673.0474 666 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 673.0474 (pause 0.78) 673.8277 667 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 673.8277 as far as complexion wise starts off 676.0448 668 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 676.0448 (pause 0.16) 676.2089 669 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 676.2089 really light skin and then [as they] 678.0576 670 DCB_int_01 677.6855 [Mm.] 678.0217 671 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 678.2297 grow older, 679.2621 672 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 679.2621 (pause 0.30) 679.5663 673 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 679.5663 we get darker. 680.4826 674 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 680.4826 (pause 0.33) 680.8147 675 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 680.8147 So I was extremely light 682.6636 676 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 682.6636 (pause 0.16) 682.8237 677 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 682.8237 when I was a child. 683.7121 678 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 683.7121 (pause 0.51) 684.2242 679 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 684.2242 And 684.8045 680 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 684.8045 (pause 0.09) 684.8925 681 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 684.8925 very skinny. 685.8169 682 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 685.8169 (pause 0.62) 686.4371 683 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 686.4371 And 687.1134 684 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 687.1134 (pause 0.08) 687.1894 685 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 687.1894 um, so I was like an outcast because I was made fun of because I was the white girl at the school. 691.7114 686 DCB_int_01 692.4636 [In a all black school.] 693.5010 687 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 692.4716 [Because all the-] 693.1960 688 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 693.5200 In a all black school. 694.4244 689 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 694.4244 (pause 0.30) 694.7246 690 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 694.7246 And so I- you know I had a lot of- 696.8055 691 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 696.8055 (pause 0.45) 697.2576 692 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 697.2576 of you know, 698.2181 693 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 698.2181 (pause 0.34) 698.5582 694 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 698.5582 harassment [] 700.1908 695 DCB_int_01 699.7626 [Mm.] 700.2440 696 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 700.4990 because of that, just because of the whole complexion color thing. 703.3523 697 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 703.3523 (pause 0.42) 703.7764 698 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 703.7764 Um, it wasn't so much a big thing in 706.1164 699 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 706.1164 (pause 0.11) 706.2294 700 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 706.2294 um, 706.6254 701 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 706.6254 (pause 0.45) 707.0778 702 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 707.0778 high school because 708.3663 703 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 708.3663 (pause 0.44) 708.8105 704 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 708.8105 there- it was mixed, there [were] 710.2831 705 DCB_int_01 709.9830 [Mm-hm.] 710.4352 706 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 710.4272 all races 711.8259 707 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 711.9998 you know a mixture of diverse 713.7598 708 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 713.7598 (pause 0.14) 713.9047 709 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 713.9047 people there, 714.5930 710 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 714.5930 (pause 0.20) 714.7970 711 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 714.7970 so. 715.1316 712 DCB_int_01 715.2651 So going back do you real- like 716.6377 713 DCB_int_01 716.6377 (pause 0.14) 716.7818 714 DCB_int_01 716.7818 do you- can you remember some moments where you felt that kind of ostracism like you felt like- 721.5559 715 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 722.0681 Oh it was every [day.] 723.0121 716 DCB_int_01 722.5723 [Like did you] know- 723.5568 717 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 723.9489 [] 724.8955 718 DCB_int_01 724.0209 [You know cause at a point] kids like learn racism like at a point when they realize, 728.5789 719 DCB_int_01 728.9230 hey wait, 729.5473 720 DCB_int_01 729.5473 (pause 0.15) 729.6954 721 DCB_int_01 729.6954 what? 730.0996 722 DCB_int_01 730.0996 (pause 0.47) 730.5715 723 DCB_int_01 730.5715 Something's happening. 731.5240 724 DCB_int_01 731.5240 (pause 0.35) 731.8762 725 DCB_int_01 731.8762 The- you know [they don't] 732.6605 726 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 732.4564 [Mm-hm.] 732.8686 727 DCB_int_01 732.9607 come out necessarily like that but then they have that epiphany. 735.8060 728 DCB_int_01 735.8060 (pause 1.46) 737.2624 729 DCB_int_01 737.2624 What- 737.7426 730 DCB_int_01 737.7426 (pause 0.14) 737.8867 731 DCB_int_01 737.8867 like 738.1720 732 DCB_int_01 738.1720 (pause 0.10) 738.2749 733 DCB_int_01 738.2749 tell me some things that would happen 739.8309 734 DCB_int_01 739.8309 (pause 0.68) 740.5078 735 DCB_int_01 740.5078 once you kind of realized this was happening to you. 742.8529 736 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 743.1129 Oh it was- it- it- you know it was nothing subtle about it, [cause kids ca-] 746.1903 737 DCB_int_01 745.5820 [Oh it was pretty- okay.] 746.3864 738 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 746.4783 kids can be really 747.5228 739 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 747.5228 (pause 0.32) 747.8469 740 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 747.8469 nasty 748.4432 741 DCB_int_01 748.4672 Mm-hm. 748.7073 742 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 748.6753 you know. 748.9554 743 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 749.3835 So it was nothing subtle about it, I was called the white girl 751.3982 744 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 751.3982 (pause 0.19) 751.5924 745 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 751.5924 you know between the shape of my nose and my complexion and I had really long hair. 755.4542 746 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 755.4542 (pause 0.38) 755.8381 747 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 755.8381 And again my f- 756.5888 748 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 756.5888 (pause 0.11) 756.6985 749 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 756.6985 my father 757.5429 750 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 757.5429 (pause 0.16) 757.7030 751 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 757.7030 making su- My parents 758.8075 752 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 758.8075 (pause 0.29) 759.0996 753 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 759.0996 both grew up very poor. 760.1436 754 DCB_int_01 760.5162 Mm-hm. 760.8495 755 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 761.2365 So, 761.6167 756 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 761.6167 (pause 0.43) 762.0489 757 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 762.0489 uh, my father 763.2595 758 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 763.2595 (pause 0.84) 764.0977 759 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 764.0977 made it 765.3263 760 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 765.3263 (pause 0.38) 765.7105 761 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 765.7105 his goal 766.6147 762 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 766.6147 (pause 0.08) 766.6908 763 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 766.6908 that we would do better. 767.7673 764 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 767.7673 (pause 0.11) 767.8793 765 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 767.8793 I would do better. 768.6997 766 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 768.6997 (pause 0.33) 769.0317 767 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 769.0317 You know um, 769.8264 768 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 769.8264 (pause 0.13) 769.9562 769 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 769.9562 so it w- from 771.0927 770 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 771.0927 (pause 0.51) 771.6049 771 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 771.6049 age eight I was getting perms and going to the b- 773.8699 772 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 773.8699 (pause 0.31) 774.1780 773 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 774.1780 sitting all day Saturday getting beauty sal- in the beauty salon. 777.0273 774 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 777.0273 (pause 0.42) 777.4513 775 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 777.4513 Had this long hair, 778.6999 776 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 778.6999 (pause 0.08) 778.7839 777 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 778.7839 long straight hair and like I said with my complexion, with 781.0621 778 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 781.0621 (pause 0.12) 781.1809 779 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 781.1809 the shape of my nose, 782.2654 780 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 782.2654 (pause 0.46) 782.7295 781 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 782.7295 you know kids would call me the white girl, kids would you know- 785.0025 782 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 785.0025 (pause 0.10) 785.0986 783 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 785.0986 I wouldn't get to play with the other kids because 787.5106 784 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 787.5106 (pause 0.32) 787.8317 785 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 787.8317 you know, they made fun of me. 789.0603 786 DCB_int_01 790.1246 Do you ever feel like it was to your advantage like you- 792.4976 787 DCB_int_01 792.4976 (pause 0.21) 792.7057 788 DCB_int_01 792.7057 Because 793.1110 789 DCB_int_01 793.1110 (pause 0.39) 793.5021 790 DCB_int_01 793.5021 I'm thinking about 794.2101 791 DCB_int_01 794.2101 (pause 0.13) 794.3385 792 DCB_int_01 794.3385 back to the sixties and seventies and 796.4633 793 DCB_int_01 796.4633 (pause 0.12) 796.5794 794 DCB_int_01 796.5794 this ch- city was- 797.6318 795 DCB_int_01 797.6318 (pause 1.12) 798.7563 796 DCB_int_01 798.7563 there was a lot of- like, that was during the Civil [Rights and then as we're] 801.7336 797 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 801.0213 [Mm-hm.] 801.9306 798 DCB_int_01 801.9176 getting- 802.2083 799 DCB_int_01 802.3658 going through the Civil Rights do you ever feel like it was 805.1470 800 DCB_int_01 805.1470 (pause 1.17) 806.3155 801 DCB_int_01 806.3155 806.3876 802 DCB_int_01 806.3876 (pause 0.08) 806.4635 803 DCB_int_01 806.4635 hard beyond high school but then was it ever an advantage like you were able to do something because you looked a certain way? 813.0944 804 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 814.6590 No. 815.0644 805 DCB_int_01 815.4873 No you [never got-], okay. 816.3717 806 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 815.8114 [N-] 816.1196 807 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 816.3757 No. 816.8479 808 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 816.8479 (pause 0.10) 816.9480 809 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 816.9480 I think the opposite. 817.9644 810 DCB_int_01 818.4565 [Really?] 819.0248 811 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 818.9488 [Yes.] 819.5754 812 DCB_int_01 819.8011 Why do you say that? 820.5134 813 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 820.6574 I think the opposite because 822.5103 814 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 822.5103 (pause 0.14) 822.6463 815 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 822.6463 um, 823.2226 816 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 823.2226 (pause 4.27) 827.4923 817 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 827.4923 within my own race, 828.8110 818 DCB_int_01 828.9810 Mm. [Mm-hm.] 829.8334 819 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 829.5013 [um], 830.1999 820 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 830.7177 being out- being light skinned was the outcast. 833.3549 821 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 833.3549 (pause 0.35) 833.7070 822 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 833.7070 You know, 834.1672 823 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 834.1672 (pause 0.19) 834.3593 824 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 834.3593 it was- it was 835.8480 825 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 835.8480 (pause 0.34) 836.1920 826 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 836.1920 not being 837.5566 827 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 837.5566 (pause 0.32) 837.8808 828 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 837.8808 all in one race or the other. 839.8095 829 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 839.8095 (pause 0.24) 840.0457 830 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 840.0457 Even though 840.6019 831 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 840.6019 (pause 0.73) 841.3341 832 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 841.3341 obviously 841.8904 833 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 841.8904 (pause 0.09) 841.9824 834 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 841.9824 I'm black, I'm African American. 843.3911 835 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 843.3911 (pause 0.54) 843.9312 836 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 843.9312 But it was just m- 844.7405 837 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 844.7405 (pause 0.15) 844.8917 838 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 844.8917 uh, kids making a lot of fun of me and calling me white and making me you know just, 849.7458 839 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 849.7458 (pause 1.10) 850.8460 840 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 850.8460 we won't be bothered with you because you're not dark enough. 852.9590 841 DCB_int_01 853.1191 Mm. 853.5071 842 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 854.2516 But then 854.9838 843 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 854.9838 (pause 0.30) 855.2881 844 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 855.2881 um, I started working when I was sixteen. 857.2290 845 DCB_int_01 857.4410 Mm-hm. 857.8383 846 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 858.3893 And um, because of the school I went to, 861.1706 847 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 861.1706 (pause 0.39) 861.5626 848 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 861.5626 you know 861.8067 849 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 861.8067 (pause 0.13) 861.9348 850 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 861.9348 my after school job 863.1994 851 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 863.1994 (pause 0.23) 863.4275 852 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 863.4275 was in the government. 864.6641 853 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 864.6641 (pause 0.32) 864.9800 854 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 864.9800 So I started of in the Department of Interior 867.1089 855 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 867.1089 (pause 0.31) 867.4171 856 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 867.4171 then I worked in the /RD-WORK-3/for a while. 869.2179 857 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 869.2179 (pause 1.39) 870.6064 858 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 870.6064 An- and I've noticed all- 871.9871 859 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 871.9871 (pause 0.70) 872.6914 860 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 872.6914 most- 872.9114 861 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 872.9114 (pause 0.09) 873.0034 862 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 873.0034 especially my young 874.0000 863 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 874.0000 (pause 0.52) 874.5161 864 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 874.5161 adult life 875.4286 865 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 875.4286 (pause 0.28) 875.7087 866 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 875.7087 that 876.2860 867 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 876.2860 (pause 1.09) 877.3773 868 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 877.3773 white people are more 879.2062 869 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 879.2062 (pause 0.34) 879.5501 870 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 879.5501 comfortable 880.2264 871 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 880.2264 (pause 1.09) 881.3189 872 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 881.3189 with 881.7191 873 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 881.7191 (pause 0.32) 882.0392 874 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 882.0392 darker skin black people. 883.1646 875 DCB_int_01 884.4803 Why do you think that is? 885.4487 876 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 885.8529 It's- I- y- you know, 887.0294 877 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 887.0294 (pause 0.80) 887.8257 878 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 887.8257 I don't really- 888.6461 879 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 888.6461 (pause 0.32) 888.9662 880 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 888.9662 I can't really say. 889.8466 881 DCB_int_01 889.9665 Mm-hm. 890.2587 882 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 890.2067 But I mean if it- but it's- it's- it's- 892.2916 883 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 892.8639 it's just- 893.3600 884 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 893.3600 (pause 0.84) 894.2004 885 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 894.2004 it's- 894.6166 886 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 894.6166 (pause 1.43) 896.0491 887 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 896.0491 With them it was a little more subtle. 897.6539 888 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 897.6539 (pause 0.61) 898.2660 889 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 898.2660 Um, 898.8287 890 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 898.8287 (pause 0.33) 899.1544 891 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 899.1544 but I saw 900.3470 892 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 900.3470 (pause 0.96) 901.3113 893 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 901.3113 you know 901.5486 894 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 901.5486 (pause 0.26) 901.8075 895 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 901.8075 promotions, saw raises, saw who was treated differently, 905.3051 896 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 905.3051 (pause 0.34) 905.6412 897 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 905.6412 who was treated um, a little more friendly. 907.9901 898 DCB_int_01 909.3508 I have never heard that. 910.5414 899 DCB_int_01 910.5414 (pause 0.09) 910.6352 900 DCB_int_01 910.6352 And I guess 911.3756 901 DCB_int_01 911.3756 (pause 0.50) 911.8758 902 DCB_int_01 911.8758 because usually I'm thinking 913.2425 903 DCB_int_01 913.2425 (pause 1.44) 914.6810 904 DCB_int_01 914.6810 if you're lighter 915.7335 905 DCB_int_01 915.7335 (pause 0.10) 915.8375 906 DCB_int_01 915.8375 [you're close- yeah.] 917.2781 907 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 915.8495 [You look m-] 916.4177 908 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 916.4177 (pause 0.63) 917.0460 909 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 917.0460 [Well I] think that's the [problem.] 918.2985 910 DCB_int_01 917.8103 [And that was-] it was- 918.6147 911 DCB_int_01 918.7746 [it was too close to] home, there was too much ambiguity? 921.1573 912 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 918.7907 [Well maybe that it-] 919.6230 913 DCB_int_01 922.1281 And so now this is very clear this is 923.9969 914 DCB_int_01 923.9969 (pause 0.16) 924.1569 915 DCB_int_01 924.1569 too nebulous for me right here [so I'm not sure what to do.] 926.9369 916 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 925.6696 [] 927.4184 917 DCB_int_01 927.2023 [Like] cause she ain't really white, 928.6350 918 DCB_int_01 928.9270 but is she really black? So do you feel like there was some of this kind of- 931.7909 919 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 931.8521 It's like when you have a- 932.6627 920 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 932.6627 (pause 0.45) 933.1127 921 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 933.1127 uh, well maybe I do- maybe I do think- have an opinion about it, 936.1461 922 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 936.1461 (pause 0.37) 936.5181 923 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 936.5181 um, 936.9248 924 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 936.9248 (pause 0.15) 937.0784 925 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 937.0784 that 937.6146 926 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 937.6146 (pause 0.48) 938.0988 927 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 938.0988 if you have a darker skin person 939.6069 928 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 939.6069 (pause 0.38) 939.9875 929 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 939.9875 you know, like you said you know this person 941.9684 930 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 941.9684 (pause 0.33) 942.3005 931 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 942.3005 i- is black, African American. 943.9565 932 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 943.9565 (pause 0.22) 944.1814 933 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 944.1814 Where you have one who's light skin, like I said I was a lot lighter 946.7414 934 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 946.7414 (pause 0.29) 947.0305 935 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 947.0305 in my- up until 948.0870 936 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 948.0870 (pause 0.22) 948.3071 937 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 948.3071 maybe about ten, 949.1151 938 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 949.1151 (pause 0.24) 949.3556 939 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 949.3556 fifteen years ago. 950.2209 940 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 950.2209 (pause 0.31) 950.5281 941 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 950.5281 Then there's that question of 952.5249 942 DCB_int_01 953.0331 Mm. 953.3611 943 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 953.7055 Hm. 954.0935 944 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 954.0935 (pause 0.64) 954.7378 945 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 954.7378 Maybe you [know.] 956.3506 946 DCB_int_01 956.0024 [Right.] 956.3426 947 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 956.7227 You know. 957.1321 948 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 957.1321 (pause 0.25) 957.3869 949 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 957.3869 So um- 958.3193 950 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 958.3193 (pause 1.00) 959.3237 951 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 959.3237 And what's funny is I had 960.7283 952 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 960.7283 (pause 0.26) 960.9925 953 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 960.9925 a girlfriend 961.8609 954 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 961.8609 (pause 0.39) 962.2530 955 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 962.2530 about twenty years ago 963.5216 956 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 963.5216 (pause 0.68) 964.2017 957 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 964.2017 who 965.1061 958 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 965.1061 (pause 0.64) 965.7424 959 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 965.7424 was mix- 966.3371 960 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 966.3371 (pause 0.13) 966.4667 961 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 966.4667 was- she was 966.9070 962 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 966.9070 (pause 0.34) 967.2431 963 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 967.2431 mixed races and 968.3956 964 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 968.3956 (pause 0.38) 968.7797 965 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 968.7797 who went through the same things, we could relate on the same things about how we felt we were treated by different people. 973.5458 966 DCB_int_01 974.4620 [Hm.] 974.7221 967 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 974.5302 [Just] because of the way we looked. 975.7902 968 DCB_int_01 976.0028 And so now thinking [about-] 977.3193 969 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 977.1472 [Did you] want all this? [] 979.2894 970 DCB_int_01 978.1997 [I did, no this is great.] 979.5683 971 DCB_int_01 979.6801 This is great because you have to think [about] 981.5935 972 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 981.3609 [] 982.3053 973 DCB_int_01 982.0852 [um-] 982.5775 974 DCB_int_01 983.0657 We'll talk about [other stuff but-] but sometimes you kind of go off and that- 985.9950 975 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 983.8821 [Mm-hm.] 984.4207 976 DCB_int_01 986.2149 that's what makes it exciting, everybody's different cause everybody has different [experiences.] 989.6045 977 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 989.1323 [Mm-hm.] 989.5925 978 DCB_int_01 990.1006 And so 991.0570 979 DCB_int_01 991.0570 (pause 0.50) 991.5573 980 DCB_int_01 991.5573 thinking about the city 992.9746 981 DCB_int_01 992.9746 (pause 0.48) 993.4501 982 DCB_int_01 993.4501 in nineteen sixties and seventies, especially 996.3672 983 DCB_int_01 996.3672 (pause 0.30) 996.6674 984 DCB_int_01 996.6674 now we're in the seventies when you're experiencing a lot of this and [we're-] 999.8128 985 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 999.5167 [Mm-hm.] 1000.0647 986 DCB_int_01 1000.2929 you know we got the 1001.2534 987 DCB_int_01 1001.2534 (pause 0.10) 1001.3574 988 DCB_int_01 1001.3574 I'm Black and I'm Proud and we got 1003.2823 989 DCB_int_01 1003.2823 (pause 0.12) 1003.3982 990 DCB_int_01 1003.3982 chocolate city but we [still have a lot of] racial tension. 1006.4036 991 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1004.7229 [Mm-hm.] 1005.3522 992 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1005.3522 (pause 1.02) 1006.3675 993 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1006.3675 [Mm-hm.] 1006.9478 994 DCB_int_01 1006.8477 How do you feel like- 1008.0041 995 DCB_int_01 1008.1842 As a high schooler now cause you're very ware- aware, 1010.7654 996 DCB_int_01 1010.7654 (pause 0.24) 1011.0014 997 DCB_int_01 1011.0014 the city you kind of explore you know you're not just at home you're 1013.8907 998 DCB_int_01 1013.8907 (pause 0.10) 1013.9948 999 DCB_int_01 1013.9948 in high school now you're working, 1015.3714 1000 DCB_int_01 1015.3714 (pause 0.55) 1015.9195 1001 DCB_int_01 1015.9195 how do you think the city around you 1018.0553 1002 DCB_int_01 1018.0553 (pause 0.59) 1018.6446 1003 DCB_int_01 1018.6446 um- 1019.1779 1004 DCB_int_01 1019.1779 (pause 0.47) 1019.6490 1005 DCB_int_01 1019.6490 How do you feel like your experience was influenced by this? Like at- at work place, you could see that you were having these issues but as you were [navigating through] DC. 1027.2147 1006 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1026.0157 [Mm-hm.] 1026.5877 1007 DCB_int_01 1027.6444 um, maybe with your friends or church or whatever you were doing, 1031.2580 1008 DCB_int_01 1031.2580 (pause 0.27) 1031.5260 1009 DCB_int_01 1031.5260 do you feel like you had the- that same kind of, 1033.5607 1010 DCB_int_01 1033.5607 (pause 0.66) 1034.2191 1011 DCB_int_01 1034.2191 uh, she- I'm not really sure if she's white or black let me stay away from her, do you feel like you were embraced? 1038.5955 1012 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1039.0493 [No.] 1039.5946 1013 DCB_int_01 1039.1212 [Kind of-] 1039.4013 1014 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1039.8655 I felt like I was 1040.8620 1015 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1040.8620 (pause 0.24) 1041.1021 1016 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1041.1021 always put off. 1042.2026 1017 DCB_int_01 1042.7987 Really? 1043.1909 1018 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1043.1909 Yeah. 1043.6471 1019 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1044.1234 Yeah. 1044.5047 1020 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1044.5047 (pause 0.42) 1044.9237 1021 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1044.9237 I felt like I was always put off. 1046.3283 1022 DCB_int_01 1046.8165 Why? 1047.0806 1023 DCB_int_01 1047.0806 (pause 0.58) 1047.6649 1024 DCB_int_01 1047.6649 Like why- like and how like as you- not even just- let's take out 1050.7462 1025 DCB_int_01 1050.7462 (pause 0.10) 1050.8421 1026 DCB_int_01 1050.8421 school from it but [let's look at the other] 1052.6549 1027 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1051.7425 [Right.] 1052.3679 1028 DCB_int_01 1053.1832 [arenas.] 1053.7632 1029 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1053.6913 [Well] 1054.1166 1030 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1054.1755 c- because- b- well- 1055.3622 1031 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1055.3622 (pause 1.01) 1056.3685 1032 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1056.3685 Um, 1056.8488 1033 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1056.8488 (pause 1.39) 1058.2373 1034 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1058.2373 by other women 1059.6293 1035 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1059.6293 (pause 0.46) 1060.0900 1036 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1060.0900 [especially], 1060.8344 1037 DCB_int_01 1060.4262 [Mm. Mm-hm.] 1061.1465 1038 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1061.9307 who were not 1062.4921 1039 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1062.4921 (pause 0.18) 1062.6711 1040 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1062.6711 you know, 1063.0673 1041 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1063.0673 (pause 0.82) 1063.8917 1042 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1063.8917 extremely put off. 1065.1402 1043 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1065.1402 (pause 0.46) 1065.5963 1044 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1065.5963 Um, 1066.0525 1045 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1066.0525 (pause 0.22) 1066.2726 1046 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1066.2726 by men, 1067.0970 1047 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1067.0970 (pause 0.28) 1067.3811 1048 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1067.3811 it was- 1067.8854 1049 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1067.8854 (pause 0.20) 1068.0815 1050 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1068.0815 it was crazy because 1069.7102 1051 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1069.7102 (pause 0.71) 1070.4183 1052 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1070.4183 we were still in that- 1071.5850 1053 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1071.5850 (pause 0.18) 1071.7629 1054 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1071.7629 that era where 1073.1796 1055 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1073.1796 (pause 0.51) 1073.6918 1056 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1073.6918 it was cool 1074.5322 1057 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1074.5322 (pause 0.32) 1074.8562 1058 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1074.8562 for 1075.3685 1059 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1075.3685 (pause 0.28) 1075.6446 1060 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1075.6446 a dark skin black man 1076.9892 1061 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1076.9892 (pause 0.18) 1077.1692 1062 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1077.1692 to have a light skin wife. 1078.5418 1063 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1078.5418 (pause 0.22) 1078.7659 1064 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1078.7659 And if you look at a lot of 1080.6388 1065 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1080.6388 (pause 0.52) 1081.1629 1066 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1081.1629 um, 1081.7696 1067 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1081.7696 (pause 0.29) 1082.0633 1068 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1082.0633 especially the college educated people from the six- 1084.4963 1069 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1084.4963 (pause 0.12) 1084.6204 1070 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1084.6204 men from the sixties 1085.8248 1071 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1085.8248 (pause 0.16) 1085.9850 1072 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1085.9850 and the seventies, 1086.7770 1073 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1086.7770 (pause 0.26) 1087.0334 1074 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1087.0334 they have 1087.5400 1075 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1087.5400 (pause 0.77) 1088.3140 1076 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1088.3140 light skin wives. 1089.2580 1077 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1089.2580 (pause 1.46) 1090.7190 1078 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1090.7190 And so it was like that thing that was sought after. 1093.4403 1079 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1093.4403 (pause 0.66) 1094.0964 1080 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1094.0964 But then on the other hand, 1095.7170 1081 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1095.7170 (pause 0.25) 1095.9651 1082 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1095.9651 I faced 1096.7131 1083 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1096.7131 (pause 0.10) 1096.8175 1084 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1096.8175 more 1097.8469 1085 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1097.8469 (pause 1.07) 1098.9144 1086 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1098.9144 um, 1099.3810 1087 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1099.3810 (pause 2.63) 1102.0116 1088 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1102.0116 just put off-ness or more just being pushed away or not being embraced 1106.4136 1089 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1106.4136 (pause 0.13) 1106.5454 1090 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1106.5454 by other b- by 1107.3618 1091 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1107.3618 (pause 0.34) 1107.7060 1092 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1107.7060 black women. 1108.2820 1093 DCB_int_01 1109.6549 Mm. 1109.9935 1094 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1110.4392 And it- and it- and it's crazy, it- it's crazy because 1112.7642 1095 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1112.7642 (pause 0.34) 1113.1003 1096 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1113.1003 I could care less. 1114.3283 1097 DCB_int_01 1114.5929 Mm-hm. 1114.9130 1098 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1115.5894 But [then,] 1116.9020 1099 DCB_int_01 1116.4818 [And w- were] most of these women dark skin [or darker skin?] 1119.1228 1100 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1118.3625 [Yes.] 1118.9468 1101 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1119.1509 Yeah. 1119.4630 1102 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1119.4630 (pause 0.28) 1119.7472 1103 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1119.7472 Yeah. 1119.9513 1104 DCB_int_01 1120.8035 But that was the [whole- that was] during the time of the paper bag test, that was during the time- 1125.2054 1105 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1121.4127 [Yeah.] 1121.8329 1106 DCB_int_01 1125.4335 So [all of those] things- so I think in- 1127.0342 1107 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1125.7336 [Right.] 1126.1498 1108 DCB_int_01 1127.1782 ma- ha- maybe there's a sense of envy or jealousy because you were light skin? Do you think that may have played into it? 1132.9528 1109 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1133.0077 1133.0497 1110 DCB_int_01 1133.2218 Or maybe they just was being bitchy and they just didn't [wanna-] 1135.6378 1111 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1135.2536 [It could] be both. 1136.1860 1112 DCB_int_01 1136.7423 and they didn't wanna talk [to you.] 1137.9396 1113 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1137.6467 [It could] be both. 1138.6134 1114 DCB_int_01 1139.4154 Um, 1139.9316 1115 DCB_int_01 1139.9316 (pause 0.35) 1140.2837 1116 DCB_int_01 1140.2837 1140.3437 1117 DCB_int_01 1140.3437 (pause 0.08) 1140.4237 1118 DCB_int_01 1140.4237 Okay [so you were in high-] so- But you didn't feel this at school this was kind of more outside of the walls /of [your s-/ because your school's] a very diverse [place.] 1146.9987 1119 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1141.0159 [Mm-hm.] 1141.6572 1120 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1141.6572 (pause 3.57) 1145.2258 1121 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1145.2258 [Right.] 1145.7661 1122 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1145.7661 (pause 0.92) 1146.6904 1123 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1146.6904 [School] was very diverse it was nothing 1148.3272 1124 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1148.4752 but girls. 1149.2179 1125 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1149.2179 (pause 0.23) 1149.4474 1126 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1149.4474 [It was a all] girl school and it was very 1150.8401 1127 DCB_int_01 1149.5156 [Mm-hm.] 1149.7969 1128 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1150.9641 diverse you know there white, there were black, there were Latinos, 1153.6134 1129 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1153.6134 (pause 0.41) 1154.0255 1130 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1154.0255 um, 1154.4377 1131 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1154.4377 (pause 0.08) 1154.5136 1132 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1154.5136 everybody was there. 1155.3941 1133 DCB_int_01 1155.3500 But it didn't feel catty? 1156.3025 1134 DCB_int_01 1156.5865 Like it wasn't just 1157.3265 1135 DCB_int_01 1157.3265 (pause 0.10) 1157.4309 1136 DCB_int_01 1157.4309 girl fights all the time, it was- it was not- 1158.7715 1137 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1158.8035 [No.] 1159.1997 1138 DCB_int_01 1159.0476 [Was] it really cohesive? 1160.1716 1139 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1160.8163 It was- it- 1161.6127 1140 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1161.6127 (pause 0.94) 1162.5491 1141 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1162.5491 it wasn't- 1163.8591 1142 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1163.8591 (pause 1.33) 1165.1901 1143 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1165.1901 I'm not gonna say it was catty it was just 1167.1990 1144 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1167.1990 (pause 0.39) 1167.5872 1145 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1167.5872 different 1168.0264 1146 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1168.0264 (pause 0.10) 1168.1275 1147 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1168.1275 groups of- 1168.9598 1148 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1168.9598 (pause 0.07) 1169.0319 1149 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1169.0319 of girls. 1169.6642 1150 DCB_int_01 1169.7481 [Mm.] 1169.9882 1151 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1169.7881 [You had] the girls who were 1172.3093 1152 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1172.9933 uh, 1173.5416 1153 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1173.5416 (pause 1.03) 1174.5701 1154 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1174.5701 you know 1174.9783 1155 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1174.9783 (pause 0.12) 1175.0983 1156 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1175.0983 I'm not gonna say they were bullies but they were 1177.0272 1157 DCB_int_01 1176.9992 Mm. 1177.2473 1158 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1177.2153 you know more masculine who were rough and 1180.1045 1159 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1180.3645 that definitely wasn't me. 1181.4690 1160 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1181.4690 (pause 0.42) 1181.8852 1161 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1181.8852 And you know 1182.5645 1162 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1182.5645 (pause 0.09) 1182.6546 1163 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1182.6546 I was 1183.1576 1164 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1183.1576 (pause 0.15) 1183.3099 1165 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1183.3099 very smart because my father made sure I was smart [] you know. 1187.5317 1166 DCB_int_01 1186.5232 [Mm-hm.] 1186.9354 1167 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1187.8076 So um, 1188.7520 1168 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1188.7520 (pause 0.30) 1189.0482 1169 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1189.0482 you know I- I hung around those people. 1191.0891 1170 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1191.0891 (pause 0.28) 1191.3651 1171 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1191.3651 You know. 1191.6252 1172 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1191.6252 (pause 0.25) 1191.8773 1173 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1191.8773 And then you had the ones that were just- 1193.9982 1174 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1193.9982 (pause 1.39) 1195.3908 1175 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1195.3908 just out doing things that they shouldn't have been doing 1197.7279 1176 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1197.7279 (pause 0.36) 1198.0840 1177 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1198.0840 also. 1198.5762 1178 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1198.5762 (pause 0.48) 1199.0564 1179 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1199.0564 So yeah I was the l- it was in a little geek squad. 1201.0333 1180 DCB_int_01 1201.2573 [You were] 1201.5414 1181 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1201.3413 [] 1201.5214 1182 DCB_int_01 1201.6895 [the little geek squad?] 1202.4899 1183 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1201.7615 [] 1203.0902 1184 DCB_int_01 1202.7420 [Do you-] do you- did you have a best friend in high school? 1205.0460 1185 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1205.1229 There were five of us. 1206.3114 1186 DCB_int_01 1206.3714 Oh tell me about y'all's little 1207.4759 1187 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1207.6990 [there were fi-] 1208.5816 1188 DCB_int_01 1208.0642 [group.] 1208.4644 1189 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1208.6636 there- there were just five of us and- 1209.9470 1190 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1209.9470 (pause 0.08) 1210.0318 1191 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1210.0318 and there was nothing really 1211.4534 1192 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1211.4534 (pause 0.91) 1212.3660 1193 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1212.3660 special about us it was just 1214.2107 1194 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1214.2107 (pause 0.55) 1214.7589 1195 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1214.7589 five- it was like maybe one or two- 1216.6403 1196 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1216.6403 (pause 0.35) 1216.9880 1197 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1216.9880 one I knew before I got there. 1218.4487 1198 DCB_int_01 1218.6246 Mm-hm. 1218.9326 1199 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1219.5650 So we- 1220.1613 1200 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1220.1613 (pause 0.08) 1220.2374 1201 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1220.2374 we- you know [we were /then-/] 1221.3987 1202 DCB_int_01 1220.8095 [How'd you know her?] 1221.4178 1203 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1221.8540 I met her at 1223.6228 1204 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1223.6228 (pause 0.36) 1223.9788 1205 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1223.9788 a summer camp that I had been [to] 1225.7757 1206 DCB_int_01 1225.4995 [Hm.] 1225.6836 1207 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1225.9277 in Virginia in the mountains. 1227.4645 1208 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1227.4645 (pause 0.58) 1228.0486 1209 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1228.0486 And uh, 1228.7648 1210 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1228.7648 (pause 0.14) 1228.9009 1211 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1228.9009 so we ended up at the same high school together so we instantly 1232.0103 1212 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1232.0103 (pause 0.26) 1232.2704 1213 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1232.2704 clicked 1232.5705 1214 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1232.5705 (pause 0.10) 1232.6745 1215 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1232.6745 because we already [knew each other.] 1233.9838 1216 DCB_int_01 1233.2348 [Mm-hm.] 1233.9231 1217 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1234.3153 And then I think maybe I met one or two others or she met- and so the f- 1238.1489 1218 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1238.1489 (pause 0.16) 1238.3129 1219 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1238.3129 the five of us would be really f- 1239.5694 1220 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1239.5694 (pause 0.20) 1239.7655 1221 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1239.7655 close [friends.] 1240.5619 1222 DCB_int_01 1240.3658 [Do you] remember doing a lot of things with them together as a group? Or 1243.6761 1223 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1243.9272 [Just] during school. 1244.9939 1224 DCB_int_01 1243.9352 [did y'all-] 1244.2033 1225 DCB_int_01 1245.1517 Just hanging out [at school.] 1246.1637 1226 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1245.7840 [Yeah] just during school because 1247.5528 1227 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1247.6408 again, 1248.0808 1228 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1248.0808 (pause 0.08) 1248.1651 1229 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1248.1651 I lived in Deanwood, 1249.1695 1230 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1249.1695 (pause 0.20) 1249.3696 1231 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1249.3696 school was downtown. 1250.4181 1232 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1250.4181 (pause 0.62) 1251.0421 1233 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1251.0421 Cause [school was] at- /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was at Ninth and G. 1253.7514 1234 DCB_int_01 1251.2822 [Gotcha.] 1251.5876 1235 DCB_int_01 1254.2596 [Okay.] 1254.5998 1236 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1254.5276 [So] all of us had to catch the Metro bus to school. 1257.4570 1237 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1257.9011 Um, and also while I was in high school is when 1260.5263 1238 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1260.5263 (pause 0.12) 1260.6462 1239 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1260.6462 Metrorail opened up. 1261.7547 1240 DCB_int_01 1261.9828 Mm-hm. 1262.4310 1241 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1262.4911 So um- 1263.3875 1242 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1263.3875 (pause 0.38) 1263.7635 1243 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1263.7635 1263.8436 1244 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1263.8436 (pause 0.18) 1264.0197 1245 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1264.0197 so it was like we caught the subway and the bus to school so we all lived in different areas. 1268.3056 1246 DCB_int_01 1268.5575 Gotcha okay [so it wasn't] like y'all just [hung out around] town doing [stuff?] 1272.4593 1247 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1269.1658 [So-] 1269.5498 1248 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1269.5498 (pause 1.01) 1270.5584 1249 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1270.5584 [Hung out at-] 1271.2708 1250 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1271.2708 (pause 0.88) 1272.1512 1251 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1272.1512 [No] you know after school we- since we were downtown we would hang out 1275.1524 1252 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1275.5045 some there I remember we used to go to Kemp Mill Records all the time 1278.1137 1253 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1278.1137 (pause 0.37) 1278.4859 1254 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1278.4859 cause it was right up the street. 1279.5463 1255 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1279.5463 (pause 0.52) 1280.0703 1256 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1280.0703 Um, it was a record store. 1281.0028 1257 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1281.0028 (pause 0.30) 1281.3069 1258 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1281.3069 And they always played music there. 1283.4159 1259 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1283.4159 (pause 0.14) 1283.5519 1260 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1283.5519 So we'd go in there for a few minutes or we'd go to- it was- used to be called 1287.1895 1261 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1287.1895 (pause 0.30) 1287.4855 1262 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1287.4855 People's Drug Store. 1288.3499 1263 DCB_int_01 1288.4019 [Mm-hm.] 1288.7406 1264 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1288.5580 [Now] it's [CVS it was] People- we'd /whole/ hang at the drug store. 1291.2700 1265 DCB_int_01 1289.3102 [Mm-hm.] 1289.6824 1266 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1291.6473 Um, so it would be 1292.3757 1267 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1292.3757 (pause 0.15) 1292.5277 1268 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1292.5277 things like that, in the morning we might go to the waffle house cause it was 1295.0128 1269 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1295.0128 (pause 0.11) 1295.1248 1270 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1295.1248 couple of waffle houses down there and get french fries. 1297.9620 1271 DCB_int_01 1298.7823 For [breakfast?] 1299.4786 1272 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1299.1624 [For breakfast.] 1301.0753 1273 DCB_int_01 1301.3394 Did [your] dad let you do a lot of like 1303.0082 1274 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1301.4595 [] 1301.6328 1275 DCB_int_01 1303.3521 going out 1304.0468 1276 DCB_int_01 1304.0468 (pause 0.09) 1304.1401 1277 DCB_int_01 1304.1401 and hanging out with your friends outside of just 1306.0734 1278 DCB_int_01 1306.0734 (pause 0.12) 1306.1894 1279 DCB_int_01 1306.1894 like right after school like, 1307.3020 1280 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1307.4699 [N-] 1307.7700 1281 DCB_int_01 1307.5660 [it's a] Saturday, can I go hang out with my friends? 1309.5109 1282 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1309.8830 I had to be- 1311.6478 1283 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1311.6478 (pause 1.53) 1313.1763 1284 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1313.1763 it had to be known where I was going, 1315.2256 1285 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1315.2256 (pause 0.20) 1315.4212 1286 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1315.4212 when I'd be back, 1316.5698 1287 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1316.5698 (pause 0.08) 1316.6488 1288 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1316.6488 when- it was very controlled. 1318.2185 1289 DCB_int_01 1318.2545 Mm-hm. 1318.5627 1290 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1318.5427 It was very controlled, yeah. 1320.2515 1291 DCB_int_01 1320.3953 Did you ever have one of those just 1321.6999 1292 DCB_int_01 1321.6999 (pause 0.09) 1321.7879 1293 DCB_int_01 1321.7879 wild child moments like I'm'a just 1323.4532 1294 DCB_int_01 1323.4532 (pause 0.56) 1324.0130 1295 DCB_int_01 1324.0130 buck the system because I'm'a just 1325.5617 1296 DCB_int_01 1325.5617 (pause 0.21) 1325.7696 1297 DCB_int_01 1325.7696 be a kid and I'm'a do what I wanna do? 1327.4543 1298 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1328.0306 Not so much. 1328.9070 1299 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1328.9070 (pause 0.28) 1329.1871 1300 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1329.1871 I had maybe a couple but not really wild. 1331.5402 1301 DCB_int_01 1332.0883 Gimme what do you feel like was [your kind] of rebellious- 1335.0816 1302 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1333.5929 [So-] 1333.8810 1303 DCB_int_01 1335.1576 like what did you do in high school that you were like, ooh, 1337.8067 1304 DCB_int_01 1337.8067 (pause 0.10) 1337.9108 1305 DCB_int_01 1337.9108 if my parents only knew. I mean back then it was a big deal, now [it probably] don't even matter but- 1342.2727 1306 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1340.9320 [Right.] 1341.3963 1307 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1342.3247 Right. 1342.5820 1308 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1342.5820 (pause 0.32) 1342.9008 1309 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1342.9008 Like uh, if my parents knew- 1344.7537 1310 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1344.7537 (pause 1.02) 1345.7780 1311 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1345.7780 So our- our um, 1347.0426 1312 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1347.0426 (pause 0.27) 1347.3148 1313 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1347.3148 brother school 1348.0601 1314 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1348.0601 (pause 2.72) 1350.7762 1315 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1350.7762 was uh- we considered our brother school Gonzaga even [though it] wasn't. 1354.2217 1316 DCB_int_01 1353.4934 [Mm-hm.] 1353.9616 1317 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1354.5377 Notre Dame was there but we would 1355.9755 1318 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1355.9755 (pause 0.09) 1356.0675 1319 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1356.0675 like steal their guys. [] 1358.4841 1320 DCB_int_01 1358.2800 [And they] went with it. 1358.9443 1321 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1358.9203 You know. 1359.5496 1322 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1359.8319 So we would um, 1360.7919 1323 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1360.7919 (pause 0.30) 1361.0965 1324 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1361.0965 /I- and I would-/ I did a lot of after school activities like drama club and- and in the [choir and that kind of stuff.] 1366.2908 1325 DCB_int_01 1365.2503 [That doesn't surprise me.] 1366.2636 1326 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1366.8549 And um, 1367.7029 1327 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1367.7029 (pause 0.48) 1368.1794 1328 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1368.1794 s- and it was a way not to go home 1369.6161 1329 DCB_int_01 1369.7161 [Mm-hm.] 1370.0803 1330 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1369.8682 [before] I started working. 1370.9047 1331 DCB_int_01 1370.9086 Right. 1371.1487 1332 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1371.5168 And so um, there was this drama club that I was in after school and then the guys from 1377.0913 1333 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1377.0913 (pause 0.40) 1377.4912 1334 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1377.4912 Gonzaga would- 1378.3076 1335 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1378.3076 (pause 0.29) 1378.5998 1336 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1378.5998 would come over 1379.3931 1337 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1379.3931 (pause 0.25) 1379.6442 1338 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1379.6442 to- 1380.0764 1339 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1380.0764 (pause 0.21) 1380.2885 1340 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1380.2885 Like we did a- 1380.8112 1341 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1380.8112 (pause 0.21) 1381.0209 1342 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1381.0209 a production of 1382.4335 1343 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1382.4335 (pause 0.64) 1383.0776 1344 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1383.0776 um, 1383.5978 1345 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1383.5978 (pause 0.18) 1383.7739 1346 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1383.7739 West Side Story. 1384.6543 1347 DCB_int_01 1384.8864 Mm-hm. 1385.4037 1348 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1385.4627 So- 1386.0787 1349 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1386.0787 (pause 0.26) 1386.3390 1350 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1386.3390 and yes I was Maria. 1387.3995 1351 DCB_int_01 1387.3554 Mm-hm. 1387.7556 1352 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1388.0077 Of course. 1389.8006 1353 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1389.8006 (pause 0.38) 1390.1847 1354 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1390.1847 [/unintelligible/] 1391.3053 1355 DCB_int_01 1390.2166 [I'm not surprised.] 1391.2571 1356 DCB_int_01 1391.5252 [I'm not surprised.] 1392.4386 1357 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1391.5733 [And so then we know that] 1392.5199 1358 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1392.6938 to- f- for the guy roles we'd have guys from Gonzaga come in or whatever. 1395.8791 1359 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1395.8791 (pause 0.35) 1396.2313 1360 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1396.2313 And so it would be cool 1397.5433 1361 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1397.5433 (pause 0.18) 1397.7199 1362 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1397.7199 you know 1398.0560 1363 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1398.0560 (pause 0.20) 1398.2601 1364 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1398.2601 my fa- if my parents only knew I'm riding the subway with these boys, 1402.1458 1365 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1402.1458 (pause 0.40) 1402.5459 1366 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1402.5459 just riding 1403.3102 1367 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1403.3102 (pause 0.47) 1403.7783 1368 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1403.7783 to one- 1404.3185 1369 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1404.3185 (pause 0.12) 1404.4426 1370 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1404.4426 to the end of the line, coming back. 1405.9073 1371 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1405.9073 (pause 0.24) 1406.1514 1372 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1406.1514 Cause back then it was only two lines. 1407.9794 1373 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1407.9794 (pause 0.24) 1408.2204 1374 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1408.2204 It was the red line, 1409.2168 1375 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1409.2168 (pause 0.32) 1409.5368 1376 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1409.5368 and then there was the 1410.5675 1377 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1410.5675 (pause 0.29) 1410.8534 1378 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1410.8534 orange 1411.6058 1379 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1411.6058 (pause 0.10) 1411.7057 1380 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1411.7057 slash blue [line.] 1412.7782 1381 DCB_int_01 1412.3540 [Bl- mm-hm.] 1413.0143 1382 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1413.1584 And I would just ride the orange line back and forth, back and forth just hanging out with boys. 1417.3011 1383 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1417.3011 (pause 0.50) 1417.8043 1384 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1417.8043 You know, my father would have a fit if he knew that. [] 1421.3338 1385 DCB_int_01 1421.1097 [And see-] 1421.4739 1386 DCB_int_01 1421.5459 and see but that and- 1422.7024 1387 DCB_int_01 1422.7024 (pause 0.12) 1422.8222 1388 DCB_int_01 1422.8222 and it's so funny like 1423.8707 1389 DCB_int_01 1423.8707 (pause 0.11) 1423.9788 1390 DCB_int_01 1423.9788 c- because you're like the girls who kind of did their- 1426.5960 1391 DCB_int_01 1426.5960 (pause 0.72) 1427.3202 1392 DCB_int_01 1427.3202 the whatever they were doing the way out stuff, and then hearing like 1430.5669 1393 DCB_int_01 1430.5669 (pause 0.31) 1430.8817 1394 DCB_int_01 1430.8817 you know, I was riding up and down with the boys, like, 1433.1656 1395 DCB_int_01 1433.1656 (pause 0.45) 1433.6189 1396 DCB_int_01 1433.6189 you know it's so funny how our /perceptin-/ our perception of what's like 1437.2926 1397 DCB_int_01 1437.2926 (pause 0.24) 1437.5326 1398 DCB_int_01 1437.5326 being the [bad girl-] 1438.7971 1399 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1438.0408 [Ba-] 1438.2289 1400 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1438.2289 (pause 0.10) 1438.3249 1401 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1438.3249 [Exactly] it's totally different. 1440.1338 1402 DCB_int_01 1440.1537 Mm-hm. 1440.5018 1403 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1440.4618 [Now.] 1440.7939 1404 DCB_int_01 1440.5859 [Because] now, 1441.5703 1405 DCB_int_01 1441.8384 you know, I heard of something on the radio this morning I 1443.8873 1406 DCB_int_01 1443.8873 (pause 0.16) 1444.0473 1407 DCB_int_01 1444.0473 could've 1444.4540 1408 DCB_int_01 1444.4540 (pause 0.25) 1444.7076 1409 DCB_int_01 1444.7076 died, like this 1445.8001 1410 DCB_int_01 1445.8001 (pause 0.33) 1446.1321 1411 DCB_int_01 1446.1321 boy's talking about how he's gonna have sex with his girl for the first time. 1449.3655 1412 DCB_int_01 1449.3655 (pause 0.34) 1449.7057 1413 DCB_int_01 1449.7057 I was like, w- 1450.3660 1414 DCB_int_01 1450.3660 (pause 0.08) 1450.4460 1415 DCB_int_01 1450.4460 this is why we have- 1451.8546 1416 DCB_int_01 1451.8546 (pause 0.26) 1452.1147 1417 DCB_int_01 1452.1147 I emailed /RD-NAME-3/ I said, 1453.2272 1418 DCB_int_01 1453.2272 (pause 0.31) 1453.5354 1419 DCB_int_01 1453.5354 this is why /RD-NAME-2/ is so important. 1454.9559 1420 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1455.0519 Mm-hm. 1455.5121 1421 DCB_int_01 1455.6362 Because we have stuff like this playing on the radio. 1457.6291 1422 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1457.6169 Mm-hm. 1458.0409 1423 DCB_int_01 1458.6253 Those were the [days.] 1459.5053 1424 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1459.3697 [Mm-hm.] 1460.0060 1425 DCB_int_01 1459.5858 [And I wasn't] born, 1460.4942 1426 DCB_int_01 1460.7103 but 1461.0104 1427 DCB_int_01 1461.0104 (pause 0.50) 1461.5147 1428 DCB_int_01 1461.5147 hearing stories I- I 1463.0514 1429 DCB_int_01 1463.0514 (pause 0.30) 1463.3474 1430 DCB_int_01 1463.3474 know that those were the days. 1464.6040 1431 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1464.5600 Yeah. 1464.9601 1432 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1465.1122 For me being rebellious was 1467.1490 1433 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1467.1490 (pause 0.32) 1467.4652 1434 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1467.4652 I had a little boom box- 1468.8759 1435 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1468.8759 (pause 0.95) 1469.8222 1436 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1469.8222 you know I had a little boom box, playing it on the metro bus. 1472.5555 1437 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1472.5555 (pause 0.39) 1472.9475 1438 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1472.9475 And that was like taboo back then, you just didn't do that. 1475.4326 1439 DCB_int_01 1475.5244 [Mm-hm.] 1476.0327 1440 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1475.7605 [You know] and for me- 1476.8170 1441 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1477.1812 for me it was- 1478.1176 1442 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1478.1176 (pause 0.12) 1478.2377 1443 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1478.2377 it was rebellious for me one, s- I'm sitting in the back of the bus, 1481.1709 1444 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1481.1709 (pause 0.15) 1481.3190 1445 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1481.3190 which 1481.6832 1446 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1481.6832 (pause 0.38) 1482.0673 1447 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1482.0673 wasn't 1482.5447 1448 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1482.5447 (pause 0.12) 1482.6636 1449 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1482.6636 where I was supposed to be. 1484.0482 1450 DCB_int_01 1484.3603 Mm-hm. 1484.6936 1451 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1484.6152 1484.6532 1452 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1484.7157 And then I'm- I'm blasting music. 1486.5852 1453 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1486.5852 (pause 0.17) 1486.7531 1454 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1486.7531 You know, and it was just like, yeah that's me I'm blasting music back here, I'm cool. 1490.9351 1455 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1490.9351 (pause 0.65) 1491.5872 1456 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1491.5872 And I wasn't, but now that's nothing. 1493.6322 1457 DCB_int_01 1493.7763 Right. 1494.1004 1458 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1494.1363 But back then you could get- you would- 1495.4609 1459 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1495.4609 (pause 0.08) 1495.5409 1460 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1495.5409 you would get put off the bus 1497.3858 1461 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1497.3858 (pause 0.70) 1498.0860 1462 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1498.0860 for something like that. 1498.8303 1463 DCB_int_01 1499.5386 And see now we don't. 1500.4679 1464 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1500.5750 Yeah. 1500.8952 1465 DCB_int_01 1501.3074 So think about- I want you to kind of- let's um- 1503.4964 1466 DCB_int_01 1503.4964 (pause 1.99) 1505.4851 1467 DCB_int_01 1505.4851 So you graduated. 1506.4584 1468 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1506.8537 Yes. 1507.3219 1469 DCB_int_01 1508.1103 1508.1983 1470 DCB_int_01 1508.1983 (pause 0.10) 1508.2944 1471 DCB_int_01 1508.2944 And 1509.3667 1472 DCB_int_01 1509.3667 (pause 0.17) 1509.5348 1473 DCB_int_01 1509.5348 you said goodbye to all your little friends, or maybe not. 1512.1440 1474 DCB_int_01 1512.1440 (pause 0.17) 1512.3159 1475 DCB_int_01 1512.3159 Do you still keep in contact with them? 1513.4625 1476 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1514.3088 No. 1514.6289 1477 DCB_int_01 1514.6809 [No?] 1514.9249 1478 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1514.7530 [Not] r- not [so much.] 1515.7170 1479 DCB_int_01 1515.2612 [Oh yeah /you said/] goodbye. 1516.1176 1480 DCB_int_01 1516.4737 So how did you- 1517.2900 1481 DCB_int_01 1517.2900 (pause 0.10) 1517.3901 1482 DCB_int_01 1517.3901 From high school did you go straight to 1518.9988 1483 DCB_int_01 1518.9988 (pause 0.12) 1519.1149 1484 DCB_int_01 1519.1149 uh, [college?] 1519.8232 1485 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1519.6991 [Mm-hm.] 1520.0993 1486 DCB_int_01 1520.2713 And so what was that like when you left, right? Because you had been- 1523.5646 1487 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1523.7728 Oh I w- 1524.3651 1488 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1524.3651 (pause 0.09) 1524.4531 1489 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1524.4531 I went wild. 1525.1694 1490 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1525.1694 (pause 0.31) 1525.4815 1491 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1525.4815 I went wild I was seventeen, 1526.9942 1492 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1526.9942 (pause 0.52) 1527.5144 1493 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1527.5144 I came from this very protective home, 1529.5371 1494 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1529.5371 (pause 0.49) 1530.0273 1495 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1530.0273 um, 1530.3154 1496 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1530.3154 (pause 0.07) 1530.3835 1497 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1530.3835 you know I came from a home where I had stuff and you know when I was sixteen I got my license I had 1535.3135 1498 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1535.3135 (pause 0.16) 1535.4696 1499 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1535.4696 open access to a car but I still had to be home 1538.3829 1500 DCB_int_01 1538.4269 [Mm-hm.] 1538.8111 1501 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1538.7231 [at] a certain [time, I still /had-/] 1540.4519 1502 DCB_int_01 1539.2433 [It was open as much as it] was 1540.8359 1503 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1541.2761 [Y- yeah.] 1542.0365 1504 DCB_int_01 1541.2841 [closed.] 1541.9364 1505 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1542.8689 1542.9209 1506 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1542.9209 (pause 0.07) 1542.9909 1507 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1542.9909 So, 1543.4816 1508 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1543.4816 (pause 0.25) 1543.7303 1509 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1543.7303 here I am, 1544.3586 1510 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1544.3586 (pause 0.26) 1544.6147 1511 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1544.6147 seventeen, 1545.4240 1512 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1545.4240 (pause 2.67) 1548.0951 1513 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1548.0951 without my parents. 1549.1674 1514 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1549.1674 (pause 1.26) 1550.4320 1515 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1550.4320 in down- /when/ the city of Richmond. 1552.1766 1516 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1552.1766 (pause 2.19) 1554.3656 1517 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1554.3656 They put me in a dorm room 1555.7702 1518 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1555.7702 (pause 0.29) 1556.0584 1519 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1556.0584 and they put me in a triple. 1557.2229 1520 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1557.2229 (pause 0.22) 1557.4469 1521 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1557.4469 Now dorm rooms are nothing like they were back then it was- 1559.9080 1522 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1559.9080 (pause 0.13) 1560.0361 1523 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1560.0361 it was like 1561.0726 1524 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1561.0726 (pause 0.40) 1561.4725 1525 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1561.4725 a room, 1562.0568 1526 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1562.0568 (pause 0.09) 1562.1488 1527 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1562.1488 you had a roommate and then there was a centralized bathroom. 1564.9021 1528 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1564.9021 (pause 0.44) 1565.3383 1529 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1565.3383 Well they put me, 1566.2107 1530 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1566.2107 (pause 0.20) 1566.4068 1531 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1566.4068 an only child 1567.2671 1532 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1567.2671 (pause 0.44) 1567.7033 1533 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1567.7033 in a triple. 1568.2835 1534 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1568.2835 (pause 0.43) 1568.7116 1535 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1568.7116 [] 1573.1276 1536 DCB_int_01 1570.5084 [Mm.] 1570.9046 1537 DCB_int_01 1570.9046 (pause 1.18) 1572.0852 1538 DCB_int_01 1572.0852 [Mm-hm.] 1572.7905 1539 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1573.5097 One of my roommates smoked weed all the time, 1575.9227 1540 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1575.9227 (pause 0.94) 1576.8591 1541 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1576.8591 the other one drank all the time. [ Here's me.] 1582.3294 1542 DCB_int_01 1579.5041 [And here's goody goody two shoes in the middle.] 1581.2001 1543 DCB_int_01 1581.2001 (pause 0.85) 1582.0453 1544 DCB_int_01 1582.0453 [Okay, so-] 1582.9377 1545 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1582.7016 [] 1584.9185 1546 DCB_int_01 1583.1338 [Mm.] 1583.6445 1547 DCB_int_01 1583.6445 (pause 0.99) 1584.6384 1548 DCB_int_01 1584.6384 [Which one] did you decide to- did you decide to go either of those routes? 1587.4717 1549 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1587.4666 1587.5166 1550 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1587.6807 W- and here's funny, 1588.7311 1551 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1588.7311 (pause 0.31) 1589.0363 1552 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1589.0363 I um- 1589.5696 1553 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1589.5696 (pause 0.71) 1590.2807 1554 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1590.2807 um, 1590.7890 1555 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1590.7890 (pause 0.07) 1590.8610 1556 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1590.8610 I ended up being better friends with 1592.8099 1557 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1592.8099 (pause 0.08) 1592.8938 1558 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1592.8938 I- 1593.0059 1559 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1593.0059 (pause 0.16) 1593.1659 1560 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1593.1659 one- 1593.5941 1561 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1593.5941 (pause 0.13) 1593.7222 1562 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1593.7222 one girl from Hampton, she w- 1595.1028 1563 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1595.1028 (pause 0.16) 1595.2669 1564 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1595.2669 the black girl 1595.8392 1565 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1595.8392 (pause 0.10) 1595.9431 1566 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1595.9431 that was smoking weed all the time, the other one was white 1598.2082 1567 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1598.2082 (pause 0.26) 1598.4722 1568 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1598.4722 she was from Poughkeepsie, New York. 1599.9327 1569 DCB_int_01 1600.2168 Mm-hm. 1600.5330 1570 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1600.9452 And 1601.5334 1571 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1601.5334 (pause 1.07) 1602.6059 1572 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1602.6059 I think that 1603.6499 1573 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1603.6499 (pause 0.44) 1604.0905 1574 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1604.0905 um, the one from Hampton was- 1605.7993 1575 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1605.7993 (pause 0.11) 1605.9114 1576 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1605.9114 got depressed because she was away from home and you know she [just] spent her time 1610.2372 1577 DCB_int_01 1609.2607 [Mm.] 1609.4846 1578 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1610.3331 sitting on her bed looking out the window getting high. 1612.4980 1579 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1612.4980 (pause 1.14) 1613.6426 1580 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1613.6426 And so she- she wasn't really interacting with us a lot, she would but 1617.3922 1581 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1617.3922 (pause 0.52) 1617.9123 1582 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1617.9123 it was always me and the other one going some place and 1620.2574 1583 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1620.2574 (pause 0.20) 1620.4535 1584 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1620.4535 [and you know] hanging out and we had a couple classes together and it was just yeah. 1624.5231 1585 DCB_int_01 1620.5641 [Mm.] 1621.0308 1586 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1624.8232 So she and I 1625.6076 1587 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1625.6076 (pause 0.55) 1626.1597 1588 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1626.1597 the other girl from New York 1627.1162 1589 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1627.1162 (pause 0.38) 1627.4924 1590 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1627.4924 we [hung out a lot.] 1628.2990 1591 DCB_int_01 1627.6164 [Y'all got close? Mm-hm.] 1628.8977 1592 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1628.6209 [Yeah.] 1628.9690 1593 DCB_int_01 1629.7173 And so what else did you- 1631.3740 1594 DCB_int_01 1631.3740 (pause 0.36) 1631.7341 1595 DCB_int_01 1631.7341 /?/ 1632.0742 1596 DCB_int_01 1632.0742 (pause 0.11) 1632.1863 1597 DCB_int_01 1632.1863 Okay that was your freshman year, went [crazy.] 1634.2152 1598 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1633.6870 [Mm-hm.] 1634.1616 1599 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1634.6033 I did, I went crazy. 1635.8606 1600 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1635.8606 (pause 0.39) 1636.2520 1601 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1636.2520 Um, I got introduced to the world of sororities and fraternities. 1639.3894 1602 DCB_int_01 1639.3373 Mm-hm, that's what I was just about to [ask.] 1640.9300 1603 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1640.8419 [So] I became a Sigma Dove 1643.0828 1604 DCB_int_01 1643.1749 [Mm-hm.] 1643.5775 1605 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1643.3229 [as a] freshman. 1644.0993 1606 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1644.4675 I did a- 1644.8568 1607 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1644.8568 (pause 0.24) 1645.0958 1608 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1645.0958 I'm- 1645.3359 1609 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1645.3359 (pause 0.43) 1645.7641 1610 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1645.7641 One thing that I've done constantly- 1647.7730 1611 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1647.7730 (pause 0.37) 1648.1449 1612 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1648.1449 consistently in my life 1649.5776 1613 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1649.5776 (pause 0.14) 1649.7137 1614 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1649.7137 is 1650.1456 1615 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1650.1456 (pause 0.30) 1650.4420 1616 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1650.4420 I'm the first to do a lot of [things.] 1652.4829 1617 DCB_int_01 1652.2628 [Mm-hm.] 1652.6255 1618 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1653.0911 Um, 1653.4511 1619 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1653.4511 (pause 0.42) 1653.8674 1620 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1653.8674 being 1654.5918 1621 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1654.5918 (pause 0.32) 1654.9158 1622 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1654.9158 um, 1655.2880 1623 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1655.2880 (pause 0.14) 1655.4281 1624 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1655.4281 a Sigma Dove the sweethearts of the Sigma, 1657.1809 1625 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1657.1809 (pause 0.36) 1657.5410 1626 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1657.5410 freshman didn't do that. 1658.4655 1627 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1658.4655 (pause 0.93) 1659.3938 1628 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1659.3938 I was a freshman 1660.1871 1629 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1660.1871 (pause 0.24) 1660.4301 1630 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1660.4301 and I did it. 1660.9624 1631 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1660.9624 (pause 0.33) 1661.2945 1632 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1661.2945 You know even in my 1662.6111 1633 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1662.6111 (pause 0.19) 1662.7992 1634 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1662.7992 career, in my job, I've been the first to do a lot of things. 1665.9726 1635 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1665.9726 (pause 0.35) 1666.3246 1636 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1666.3246 So um, so I 1667.6172 1637 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1667.6172 (pause 0.11) 1667.7252 1638 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1667.7252 became a Sigma Dove, was hanging out with the Sigmas , 1670.2424 1639 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1670.2424 (pause 0.42) 1670.6665 1640 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1670.6665 and uh, 1671.6708 1641 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1671.6708 (pause 0.08) 1671.7462 1642 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1671.7462 going to all the parties and just having a good time. 1674.8562 1643 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1674.8562 (pause 0.94) 1675.8006 1644 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1675.8006 My f- 1676.5930 1645 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1676.5930 (pause 0.46) 1677.0532 1646 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1677.0532 first- 1677.6732 1647 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1677.6732 (pause 0.34) 1678.0175 1648 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1678.0175 1678.7058 1649 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1678.7058 (pause 0.48) 1679.1901 1650 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1679.1901 my first 1680.2826 1651 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1680.2826 (pause 0.10) 1680.3826 1652 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1680.3826 um, 1680.9933 1653 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1680.9933 (pause 1.10) 1682.0913 1654 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1682.0913 1682.1713 1655 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1682.1713 (pause 0.31) 1682.4835 1656 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1682.4835 semester- 1683.3399 1657 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1683.3399 (pause 1.00) 1684.3442 1658 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1684.3442 Now we coming from somebody who in high school in Catholic school made straight A's. 1688.1420 1659 DCB_int_01 1688.1777 Mm-hm. 1688.8457 1660 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1688.9981 My grades 1690.4061 1661 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1690.4061 (pause 0.24) 1690.6469 1662 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1690.6469 my first semester, 1691.8154 1663 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1691.8154 (pause 0.33) 1692.1476 1664 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1692.1476 two B's, two D's, two F's. 1694.0563 1665 DCB_int_01 1694.6446 Okay. 1695.2926 1666 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1695.3328 [Yeah.] 1695.7861 1667 DCB_int_01 1695.4328 [How was] Daddy? 1696.1212 1668 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1696.4293 Mm. 1697.4538 1669 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1697.4538 (pause 0.19) 1697.6419 1670 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1697.6419 He was actually very calm about it. 1699.8549 1671 DCB_int_01 1700.2630 [Mm.] 1700.7752 1672 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1700.3950 [Very] calm about it. 1701.7764 1673 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1702.1636 Um, he had a talk with me 1704.0525 1674 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1704.0525 (pause 0.57) 1704.6247 1675 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1704.6247 and um, and- and my father's not a calm person 1707.9701 1676 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1707.9701 (pause 0.22) 1708.1862 1677 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1708.1862 or rational person, there were a couple of things he was- he would be calm or rational about, 1712.2934 1678 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1712.2934 (pause 0.74) 1713.0364 1679 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1713.0364 but um, he just 1714.0408 1680 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1714.0408 (pause 0.80) 1714.8451 1681 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1714.8451 brought the grades into my room, 1716.1777 1682 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1716.1777 (pause 0.84) 1717.0220 1683 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1717.0220 and said 1717.5142 1684 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1717.5142 (pause 0.16) 1717.6703 1685 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1717.6703 you know, it's costing us a lot of money 1719.0629 1686 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1719.0629 (pause 0.25) 1719.3149 1687 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1719.3149 to send you to school. 1720.0576 1688 DCB_int_01 1720.2193 Mm-hm. 1720.5595 1689 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1720.7076 And I expect better. 1721.7160 1690 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1721.7160 (pause 0.84) 1722.5523 1691 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1722.5523 I said, 1722.8523 1692 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1722.8523 (pause 0.16) 1723.0084 1693 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1723.0084 okay. 1723.3510 1694 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1723.3510 (pause 0.49) 1723.8408 1695 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1723.8408 And so I did better. 1724.6674 1696 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1724.6674 (pause 0.31) 1724.9813 1697 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1724.9813 Because I knew 1726.4820 1698 DCB_int_01 1726.4300 That 1726.7781 1699 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1726.7701 I had to [do better.] 1727.8666 1700 DCB_int_01 1727.3344 [Mm-hm.] 1727.7786 1701 DCB_int_01 1728.1785 [Otherwise you weren't gonna be there.] 1729.3252 1702 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1728.3506 [But it was just like-] 1729.3431 1703 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1729.4751 Right it was- or you know- 1730.9478 1704 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1730.9478 (pause 0.10) 1731.0478 1705 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1731.0478 /?/ 1731.1559 1706 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1731.1559 (pause 0.10) 1731.2559 1707 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1731.2559 or the other thing me- I had to come back [home if I] didn't, I couldn't come back home. 1734.4226 1708 DCB_int_01 1732.8566 [Mm-hm.] 1733.3446 1709 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1735.0576 So um, yeah so that was pretty funny. 1736.9945 1710 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1736.9945 (pause 0.20) 1737.1944 1711 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1737.1944 That- And I straightened up and did better. 1738.9931 1712 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1738.9931 (pause 0.14) 1739.1313 1713 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1739.1313 But it was like seventeen, 1740.6127 1714 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1740.6127 (pause 0.40) 1741.0120 1715 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1741.0120 in a new city, 1741.8844 1716 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1741.8844 (pause 0.30) 1742.1805 1717 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1742.1805 by myself, 1743.1329 1718 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1743.1329 (pause 0.32) 1743.4491 1719 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1743.4491 unsupervised, 1744.4175 1720 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1744.4175 (pause 0.33) 1744.7457 1721 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1744.7457 I was all over the place. 1745.8382 1722 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1745.8382 (pause 0.31) 1746.1462 1723 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1746.1462 [] 1748.0431 1724 DCB_int_01 1747.4508 [What do you feel like] was your 1748.6615 1725 DCB_int_01 1749.0433 um- 1749.5716 1726 DCB_int_01 1749.5716 (pause 0.36) 1749.9277 1727 DCB_int_01 1749.9277 So okay that wa- Wait, your freshman year you were Sigma Dove and [then] 1752.9353 1728 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1752.6850 [Mm-hm.] 1753.4890 1729 DCB_int_01 1753.0372 [when'd you become-] 1753.9696 1730 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1754.0614 A Zeta? 1754.5376 1731 DCB_int_01 1754.5496 Mm-hm. 1754.8698 1732 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1755.0939 In my junior year. 1755.8102 1733 DCB_int_01 1755.9703 Okay. 1756.2769 1734 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1756.5385 Yeah. 1756.8772 1735 DCB_int_01 1756.9387 Um, so 1757.9432 1736 DCB_int_01 1757.9432 (pause 0.31) 1758.2513 1737 DCB_int_01 1758.2513 how was like your sophomore year? Was it shaped by kind of your experience with the- 1761.8369 1738 DCB_int_01 1761.8369 (pause 0.37) 1762.2050 1739 DCB_int_01 1762.2050 with the Sigmas [or was it-] 1763.2010 1740 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1762.7493 [It was.] 1763.4016 1741 DCB_int_01 1763.4375 was it still different? Were you s- 1764.8741 1742 DCB_int_01 1764.8741 (pause 0.31) 1765.1863 1743 DCB_int_01 1765.1863 finding something else? 1766.5629 1744 DCB_int_01 1766.5629 (pause 0.59) 1767.1511 1745 DCB_int_01 1767.1511 Like 1767.3591 1746 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1767.3392 [No.] 1767.7033 1747 DCB_int_01 1767.4952 [other] activities or was that your pretty much [your main-] 1769.9161 1748 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1769.3640 [That was it.] 1770.1053 1749 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1770.4645 That was it. 1771.0365 1750 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1771.0365 (pause 0.24) 1771.2807 1751 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1771.2807 Yeah. 1771.5929 1752 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1771.5929 (pause 0.43) 1772.0251 1753 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1772.0251 Yeah I couldn't- my parents did not want me to work, they wanted me to focus on school 1775.3785 1754 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1775.3785 (pause 0.17) 1775.5506 1755 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1775.5506 because you know I was like I said the first person in my s- in my family to go to college so I had to do well. 1779.8365 1756 DCB_int_01 1780.0804 Right. 1780.3886 1757 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1780.7888 And my father was paying for it so I had to do well. 1782.8368 1758 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1782.8368 (pause 0.91) 1783.7499 1759 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1783.7499 So um, 1784.6663 1760 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1784.6663 (pause 0.07) 1784.7374 1761 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1784.7374 all in 1785.1515 1762 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1785.1515 (pause 0.08) 1785.2276 1763 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1785.2276 the activities I did they were with the D- with the Doves. 1787.6546 1764 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1787.6546 (pause 0.11) 1787.7676 1765 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1787.7676 I was a Sigma Dove and I did 1789.1643 1766 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1789.1643 (pause 0.27) 1789.4324 1767 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1789.4324 pretty much everything with them. 1790.4809 1768 DCB_int_01 1791.3892 And so then you became 1793.1340 1769 DCB_int_01 1793.1340 (pause 0.14) 1793.2699 1770 DCB_int_01 1793.2699 a Zeta. Were- [how- were your] parents excited about that or 1795.9672 1771 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1793.9623 [Uh-huh.] 1794.4145 1772 DCB_int_01 1796.1873 did they not really understand it? W- How was that 1798.4841 1773 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1798.7242 [My father] understood it more than my mother because by then my father was at Gallaudet. 1802.8501 1774 DCB_int_01 1798.8123 [kind of telling-] 1799.4722 1775 DCB_int_01 1803.1982 Okay [so he was in] the college life, [or] 1805.2870 1776 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1803.5183 [So-] 1804.1506 1777 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1804.1506 (pause 0.85) 1805.0029 1778 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1805.0029 [Ri- s- right.] 1806.4555 1779 DCB_int_01 1805.3710 [seeing college around] him. 1806.6076 1780 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1806.7597 So when I 1807.9202 1781 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1807.9202 (pause 0.23) 1808.1482 1782 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1808.1482 was allowed to come home because you had to ask to come home when you were pledging, cause pledging back then was a lot different than it is now. 1814.2629 1783 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1814.2629 (pause 0.42) 1814.6830 1784 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1814.6830 Um, but I was allowed to come home for Thanksgiving 1816.8040 1785 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1816.8040 (pause 0.30) 1817.1040 1786 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1817.1040 and um, for a couple of days then I had to go back, 1819.5026 1787 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1819.5026 (pause 0.47) 1819.9692 1788 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1819.9692 but back then 1820.8856 1789 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1820.8856 (pause 0.09) 1820.9736 1790 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1820.9736 you know, 1821.3056 1791 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1821.3056 (pause 0.16) 1821.4659 1792 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1821.4659 we all wore trenchcoats with our little 1823.3587 1793 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1823.3587 (pause 0.48) 1823.8388 1794 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1823.8388 emblem on our jacket and a certain hat and a certain way we had to dress and so when I came home 1828.7609 1795 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1828.7609 (pause 0.55) 1829.3131 1796 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1829.3131 and 1829.8134 1797 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1829.8134 (pause 0.27) 1830.0854 1798 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1830.0854 I was given an assignment, 1831.3760 1799 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1831.3760 (pause 0.32) 1831.6941 1800 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1831.6941 cause I was on line 1832.6426 1801 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1832.6426 (pause 0.12) 1832.7586 1802 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1832.7586 when I came home, 1833.3829 1803 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1833.3829 (pause 0.16) 1833.5468 1804 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1833.5468 [that's what- that's what it was, I was] on line when I came home, 1835.7589 1805 DCB_int_01 1833.5629 [Mm. Mm-hm.] 1834.6233 1806 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1836.2641 and um, 1836.9643 1807 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1836.9643 (pause 0.15) 1837.1164 1808 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1837.1164 they gave me an assignment I had to go to- to the Zeta headquarters and so I had to- 1840.6260 1809 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1840.6260 (pause 0.31) 1840.9379 1810 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1840.9379 to dress like a Archonian and- 1842.4289 1811 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1842.4289 (pause 1.13) 1843.5614 1812 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1843.5614 and um, 1844.3058 1813 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1844.3058 (pause 0.29) 1844.5995 1814 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1844.5995 and go there, and when I was walking out the door 1846.7565 1815 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1846.7565 (pause 0.31) 1847.0685 1816 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1847.0685 my mother's like, why are you dressed like that? My father's like, I've seen them dressed like that at work, when he's at work. 1852.9711 1817 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1852.9711 (pause 0.34) 1853.3113 1818 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1853.3113 So um, 1854.1086 1819 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1854.1086 (pause 0.13) 1854.2436 1820 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1854.2436 yeah. 1854.5277 1821 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1854.5277 (pause 0.14) 1854.6678 1822 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1854.6678 It wa- they were cool, they were- 1856.2164 1823 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1856.2164 (pause 0.24) 1856.4525 1824 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1856.4525 they didn't have any problems putting up the funds for it or whatever I needed to do it because that meant that- 1861.3988 1825 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1861.3988 (pause 0.70) 1862.0948 1826 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1862.0948 They saw that as 1862.8548 1827 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1862.8548 (pause 0.43) 1863.2834 1828 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1863.2834 being- 1863.5875 1829 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1863.5875 (pause 0.20) 1863.7836 1830 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1863.7836 me being more successful. 1865.0802 1831 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1865.0802 (pause 0.97) 1866.0525 1832 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1866.0525 [/For them/] 1866.4767 1833 DCB_int_01 1866.1646 [Mm, so for] them- That's so interesting because a lot of parent- 1868.6858 1834 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1866.6088 [so.] 1866.9450 1835 DCB_int_01 1868.7857 You know, 1869.1739 1836 DCB_int_01 1869.1739 (pause 0.30) 1869.4740 1837 DCB_int_01 1869.4740 if you're not really 1870.3064 1838 DCB_int_01 1870.3064 (pause 0.12) 1870.4303 1839 DCB_int_01 1870.4303 into kind of the Greek system and Greek life, 1873.6438 1840 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1873.7958 [Mm-hm.] 1874.5721 1841 DCB_int_01 1874.1799 [it's like] what is all- th- it's just a social thing it's [doesn't- th-] not even thinking kind of /of this/ big picture. 1879.0900 1842 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1876.6209 [Right.] 1877.0796 1843 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1877.0796 (pause 2.00) 1879.0821 1844 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1879.0821 Right. 1879.3502 1845 DCB_int_01 1879.8423 [/inaudible/] 1880.3345 1846 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1879.8543 [Because and then] I sat down and said, 1881.0823 1847 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1881.3830 you know, these are the things that Zeta Phi Beta um, 1885.2486 1848 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1885.2486 (pause 0.39) 1885.6367 1849 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1885.6367 you know focuses on 1887.0014 1850 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1887.0014 (pause 0.36) 1887.3575 1851 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1887.3575 and these are their community service projects, 1890.3468 1852 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1890.3468 (pause 0.39) 1890.7349 1853 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1890.7349 these are the different [countries that they are in] just showing them things and they were l- yeah, they were really really cool with it. 1896.3972 1854 DCB_int_01 1891.6673 [So you were selling it, mm-hm.] 1893.3300 1855 DCB_int_01 1896.6734 Okay so then [after you-] that was your junior year, 1899.5293 1856 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1897.6418 [Yeah.] 1898.0540 1857 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1899.5706 [Uh-huh.] 1899.9107 1858 DCB_int_01 1899.7907 so how did that shape- 1900.9693 1859 DCB_int_01 1901.6836 That was fall, 1902.3399 1860 DCB_int_01 1902.3399 (pause 0.38) 1902.7199 1861 DCB_int_01 1902.7199 so spring and then your full senior year, how did [that shape your] experiences 1906.6857 1862 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1905.2331 [Mm-hm.] 1905.8494 1863 DCB_int_01 1907.0018 and then kind of overall looking at college like- 1909.7831 1864 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1910.2150 Right so then after 1911.6597 1865 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1911.6597 (pause 0.60) 1912.2560 1866 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1912.2560 I think- 1912.7522 1867 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1912.7522 (pause 0.25) 1913.0003 1868 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1913.0003 a- 1913.1083 1869 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1913.1083 (pause 0.12) 1913.2284 1870 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1913.2284 the- another thing I did, I was the first neophyte 1915.8175 1871 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1915.8175 (pause 0.20) 1916.0176 1872 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1916.0176 at our school to then become dean of the next line. 1918.7761 1873 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1918.7761 (pause 1.17) 1919.9471 1874 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1919.9471 So 1920.3393 1875 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1920.3393 (pause 0.38) 1920.7195 1876 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1920.7195 um, you know and then it was a time we weren't even gonna have a line 1924.0035 1877 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1924.0035 (pause 0.35) 1924.3571 1878 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1924.3571 um, because we decided late and w- and we didn't have enough time to do it but 1928.6629 1879 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1928.6629 (pause 0.36) 1929.0190 1880 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1929.0190 you know I showed them how we could do it and how I moved these girls and got these girls on line, got all the paperwork we needed they didn't think 1934.9856 1881 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1934.9856 (pause 0.14) 1935.1256 1882 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1935.1256 that we could get, 1935.8579 1883 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1935.8579 (pause 0.28) 1936.1340 1884 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1936.1340 and then I became dean of that line. 1937.7114 1885 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1937.7114 (pause 0.63) 1938.3389 1886 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1938.3389 So it- which was really- 1939.6355 1887 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1939.6355 (pause 0.60) 1940.2317 1888 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1940.2317 you know, 1940.5598 1889 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1940.5598 (pause 0.31) 1940.8720 1890 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1940.8720 i- it gave me- 1942.0285 1891 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1942.0285 (pause 0.41) 1942.4367 1892 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1942.4367 it gave me respect because it's something else I had done an- 1945.5660 1893 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1945.5660 (pause 0.13) 1945.6940 1894 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1945.6940 and um, 1946.6824 1895 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1946.6824 (pause 0.48) 1947.1666 1896 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1947.1666 it's something they didn't think 1948.3792 1897 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1948.3792 (pause 0.17) 1948.5513 1898 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1948.5513 [could be-] 1948.8274 1899 DCB_int_01 1948.6913 [Could] be done? 1949.2876 1900 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1949.2556 Right. 1949.6196 1901 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1950.1399 And um- and it was interesting cause w- while I was on line and then when I became dean of the next line I spent a lot of time over at Virginia Union. 1957.3249 1902 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1957.3249 (pause 0.64) 1957.9630 1903 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1957.9630 Cause they- cause 1958.6833 1904 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1958.6833 (pause 0.30) 1958.9835 1905 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1958.9835 at Vi- 1959.3076 1906 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1959.3076 (pause 0.32) 1959.6238 1907 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1959.6238 Virginia Union, 1960.4081 1908 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1960.4081 (pause 0.12) 1960.5322 1909 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1960.5322 as in HBCU had- 1962.0169 1910 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1962.0169 (pause 0.46) 1962.4731 1911 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1962.4731 all the 1963.0198 1912 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1963.0198 (pause 1.12) 1964.1417 1913 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1964.1417 sororities and fraternities had 1965.8946 1914 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1965.8946 (pause 0.32) 1966.2146 1915 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1966.2146 rooms, their own 1967.3151 1916 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1967.3151 (pause 0.24) 1967.5592 1917 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1967.5592 rooms. 1968.2845 1918 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1968.2845 (pause 0.54) 1968.8197 1919 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1968.8197 So that w- so 1969.6881 1920 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1969.6881 (pause 0.28) 1969.9722 1921 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1969.9722 I spent a lot of time in the Zeta room 1971.4929 1922 DCB_int_01 1971.7529 Mm-hm. 1972.1811 1923 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1972.1731 over there. 1972.7454 1924 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1973.1135 which is 1974.0460 1925 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1974.0460 (pause 0.30) 1974.3500 1926 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1974.3500 insulated and 1975.6346 1927 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1975.6346 (pause 0.66) 1976.2949 1928 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1976.2949 not 1976.7375 1929 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1976.7375 (pause 0.98) 1977.7194 1930 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1977.7194 many people know about it 1978.9360 1931 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1978.9360 (pause 0.56) 1979.5002 1932 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1979.5002 and can go there. 1980.7402 1933 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1980.7402 (pause 0.42) 1981.1649 1934 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1981.1649 So it was- it was just weird, it was like every week I was over at Virginia Union 1984.7185 1935 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1984.7185 (pause 0.46) 1985.1826 1936 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1985.1826 while I was pledging. 1985.9910 1937 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1985.9910 (pause 0.34) 1986.3310 1938 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1986.3310 And then when I became dean, 1987.4035 1939 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1987.4035 (pause 0.60) 1987.9998 1940 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1987.9998 back over at Virginia Union. 1989.3798 1941 DCB_int_01 1989.4724 [Mm.] 1990.2137 1942 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1989.7125 Back over at Virginia Union, so. 1992.0456 1943 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1992.5257 Yeah. 1992.8830 1944 DCB_int_01 1993.3460 And what- 1993.8581 1945 DCB_int_01 1993.8581 (pause 0.50) 1994.3545 1946 DCB_int_01 1994.3545 So then- Okay. 1995.5402 1947 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 1995.6550 [Mm-hm.] 1996.2150 1948 DCB_int_01 1995.8791 So that was your senior year- that was your junior year going into your senior year then you graduated. 2000.8092 1949 DCB_int_01 2001.6615 And then what happened next? 2003.2743 1950 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2003.9665 I didn't graduate on time. 2005.0390 1951 DCB_int_01 2005.4111 Okay. 2005.7711 1952 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2005.8753 I didn't graduate on time, one of um, 2007.7599 1953 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2007.7599 (pause 0.15) 2007.9082 1954 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2007.9082 the worst things for me 2009.6810 1955 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2009.6810 (pause 0.28) 2009.9610 1956 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2009.9610 is 2010.3532 1957 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2010.3532 (pause 0.16) 2010.5092 1958 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2010.5092 math. 2011.1439 1959 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2011.1439 (pause 0.28) 2011.4217 1960 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2011.4217 Any type of math whatsoever it's just a deficit it doesn't compute in my brain. 2015.7195 1961 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2015.7195 (pause 0.74) 2016.4637 1962 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2016.4637 And- 2017.0040 1963 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2017.0040 (pause 0.09) 2017.0960 1964 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2017.0960 and I knew this, I've always known this. 2019.2090 1965 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2019.2090 (pause 0.46) 2019.6691 1966 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2019.6691 And so I waited til my senior year 2022.4304 1967 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2022.4304 (pause 0.69) 2023.1186 1968 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2023.1186 to take algebra one oh one. 2024.7232 1969 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2024.7232 (pause 0.58) 2025.3035 1970 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2025.3035 Because I knew 2026.1475 1971 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2026.1475 (pause 0.98) 2027.1242 1972 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2027.1242 and I failed it. 2027.7565 1973 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2027.7565 (pause 0.46) 2028.2127 1974 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2028.2127 [ And I failed it.] 2029.5940 1975 DCB_int_01 2028.5408 [Mm. Okay.] 2029.1411 1976 DCB_int_01 2029.1411 (pause 0.13) 2029.2732 1977 DCB_int_01 2029.2732 [Mm.] 2029.4853 1978 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2029.8334 So it kept me from [graduating.] 2031.2900 1979 DCB_int_01 2031.1259 [Mm. Mm-hm.] 2031.7579 1980 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2031.5301 [So then] I had to make that call home to my father, 2033.5274 1981 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2033.7630 2035.3430 1982 DCB_int_01 2035.3956 That's a lot of calls home to [Daddy /that uh-/] 2037.1044 1983 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2036.3921 [D- you know], 2037.5086 1984 DCB_int_01 2037.1885 [Mm-hm.] 2037.7285 1985 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2037.7447 um- 2038.4531 1986 DCB_int_01 2038.8371 Was he as calm this time? 2039.9937 1987 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2039.9696 He was. [He was like I said] there are certain things 2043.0229 1988 DCB_int_01 2040.9501 [Okay.] 2041.4621 1989 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2043.6792 um, I can remember 2045.1552 1990 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2045.1552 (pause 0.48) 2045.6360 1991 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2045.6360 uh, cause my father's v- 2046.8405 1992 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2046.8405 (pause 0.15) 2046.9925 1993 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2046.9925 /has a/ hot head, hot temper, very- 2048.9454 1994 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2048.9454 (pause 0.21) 2049.1575 1995 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2049.1575 father's a very mean man. 2050.2380 1996 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2050.2380 (pause 0.44) 2050.6781 1997 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2050.6781 Um, but there was certain 2051.9507 1998 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2051.9507 (pause 0.23) 2052.1788 1999 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2052.1788 things that 2053.1953 2000 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2053.1953 (pause 0.62) 2053.8194 2001 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2053.8194 would happen that he would be- totally be calm. 2055.8324 2002 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2055.8324 (pause 0.55) 2056.3805 2003 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2056.3805 My mother was good at wrecking cars. 2058.0573 2004 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2058.0573 (pause 0.52) 2058.5814 2005 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2058.5814 And you know [was good-] 2061.2254 2006 DCB_int_01 2059.6427 [ Just wreck 'em.] 2061.2275 2007 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2061.7509 In the sixties and seventies were wrecking cars and whenever she got in a accident, 2066.3688 2008 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2066.3688 (pause 0.26) 2066.6287 2009 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2066.6287 he remained calm, he was cool. 2068.7447 2010 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2068.7447 (pause 0.33) 2069.0779 2011 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2069.0779 Either got the car fixed or just 2070.5912 2012 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2070.5912 (pause 0.52) 2071.1147 2013 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2071.1147 got another car. 2071.8240 2014 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2071.8240 (pause 2.07) 2073.8919 2015 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2073.8919 And [um], 2074.7202 2016 DCB_int_01 2074.2640 [Hm.] 2074.6187 2017 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2074.8003 you know so when I call home- 2076.1910 2018 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2076.1910 (pause 0.41) 2076.5969 2019 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2076.5969 And at that point 2077.5373 2020 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2077.5373 (pause 0.09) 2077.6253 2021 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2077.6253 I w- had- 2078.1096 2022 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2078.1096 (pause 0.55) 2078.6578 2023 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2078.6578 I had already started working. 2080.0231 2024 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2080.0231 (pause 0.24) 2080.2666 2025 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2080.2666 So I went to school for chemical dependency rehabilitation. 2083.1838 2026 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2083.1838 (pause 0.45) 2083.6359 2027 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2083.6359 So I was already working at two different places as- 2086.5812 2028 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2086.5812 (pause 0.24) 2086.8172 2029 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2086.8172 as a chemical dependency counselor 2088.4100 2030 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2088.4100 (pause 0.16) 2088.5740 2031 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2088.5740 while finishing up 2089.3824 2032 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2089.3824 (pause 0.22) 2089.5985 2033 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2089.5985 school 2089.9707 2034 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2089.9707 (pause 0.13) 2090.0987 2035 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2090.0987 by then. 2090.5241 2036 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2090.5241 (pause 0.49) 2091.0150 2037 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2091.0150 Um, 2091.4417 2038 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2091.4417 (pause 0.63) 2092.0675 2039 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2092.0675 because I had done my- 2093.2601 2040 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2093.2601 (pause 0.09) 2093.3480 2041 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2093.3480 my um, 2094.0013 2042 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2094.0013 (pause 0.34) 2094.3445 2043 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2094.3445 internship 2094.9965 2044 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2094.9965 (pause 0.34) 2095.3409 2045 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2095.3409 at a couple places and then they hired me 2097.1536 2046 DCB_int_01 2097.3337 [Right.] 2097.6779 2047 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2097.3737 [part time] so then- 2098.3182 2048 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2098.6383 you know so they cou- my parents couldn't argue with that because that was a job working in- 2101.8957 2049 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2101.8957 (pause 0.26) 2102.1557 2050 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2102.1557 jobs working in my [field.] 2103.3144 2051 DCB_int_01 2103.0280 [field.] 2103.2961 2052 DCB_int_01 2103.4362 So that's what you had been working for [these four years] or these four and a half years since you've been in school. 2107.3100 2053 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2104.8408 [Right.] 2105.2410 2054 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2107.4180 Right. 2107.6580 2055 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2107.6580 (pause 0.32) 2107.9742 2056 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2107.9742 So 2108.5343 2057 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2108.5343 (pause 0.11) 2108.6423 2058 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2108.6423 I /had/ got my grades, 2109.6268 2059 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2109.6268 (pause 0.26) 2109.8829 2060 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2109.8829 and I remember I was at one of my jobs when I called him to say, 2112.5441 2061 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2112.5441 (pause 0.24) 2112.7841 2062 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2112.7841 got my grades and I didn't- 2114.4649 2063 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2114.4649 (pause 0.18) 2114.6410 2064 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2114.6410 you know, I failed math. And so he was really calm then he said, 2117.3581 2065 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2117.3581 (pause 0.35) 2117.7063 2066 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2117.7063 what do you wanna do? 2118.3676 2067 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2118.3676 (pause 0.77) 2119.1388 2068 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2119.1388 I said, I wanna take it over in summer school. 2120.9115 2069 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2120.9115 (pause 0.50) 2121.4078 2070 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2121.4078 And he said, 2122.0358 2071 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2122.0358 (pause 0.26) 2122.2922 2072 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2122.2922 find out how much it's gonna cost and let me know. 2123.8169 2073 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2123.8169 (pause 1.49) 2125.3054 2074 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2125.3054 And I did it and I passed and 2126.5700 2075 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2126.5700 (pause 0.13) 2126.6981 2076 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2126.6981 so 2126.9222 2077 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2126.9222 (pause 0.31) 2127.2343 2078 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2127.2343 [with the-] 2127.5730 2079 DCB_int_01 2127.2463 [Do you think] he was really calm because you were the first one to go to college and it wasn't- 2131.3560 2080 DCB_int_01 2131.4841 there was- 2131.8722 2081 DCB_int_01 2131.8722 (pause 0.18) 2132.0483 2082 DCB_int_01 2132.0483 he didn't wanna push you out like- like 2133.7910 2083 DCB_int_01 2133.7910 (pause 0.17) 2133.9570 2084 DCB_int_01 2133.9570 say forget it /but/ he wanted you to finish it? 2135.8973 2085 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2136.4781 I was going to finish there was no question [it was ju- ] 2139.4635 2086 DCB_int_01 2138.3030 [And you think that's why he kind of was] like, let me back up? 2140.4720 2087 DCB_int_01 2140.5479 [And back off] a little bit? 2141.6159 2088 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2140.6079 [Yeah], 2141.1039 2089 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2141.6764 yeah. 2142.0646 2090 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2142.0646 (pause 0.34) 2142.4085 2091 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2142.4085 [Yeah.] 2142.7845 2092 DCB_int_01 2142.4885 [Yeah.] 2142.8312 2093 DCB_int_01 2143.5890 Um, so when you finished [kind of what-] 2145.7620 2094 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2145.1898 [Mm-hm.] 2145.5485 2095 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2146.1022 What happened? 2146.6304 2096 DCB_int_01 2146.6064 Mm-hm. 2146.9584 2097 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2147.0907 I finished school, 2148.0351 2098 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2148.0351 (pause 0.22) 2148.2591 2099 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2148.2591 I stayed in Richmond. 2149.1195 2100 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2149.1195 (pause 1.02) 2150.1438 2101 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2150.1438 Um, 2150.6601 2102 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2150.6601 (pause 0.09) 2150.7521 2103 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2150.7521 and I 2151.4204 2104 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2151.4204 (pause 0.08) 2151.5045 2105 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2151.5045 at one time 2152.3368 2106 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2152.3368 (pause 0.62) 2152.9570 2107 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2152.9570 had four jobs. 2153.9503 2108 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2153.9503 (pause 0.26) 2154.2096 2109 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2154.2096 They were all part time jobs, 2155.7269 2110 DCB_int_01 2155.8102 Wow. 2156.2024 2111 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2156.3505 um, two of 'em were 2157.5270 2112 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2157.5270 (pause 0.10) 2157.6270 2113 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2157.6270 counseling 2158.3034 2114 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2158.3034 (pause 0.64) 2158.9475 2115 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2158.9475 which didn't pay much money but it was what I wanted to do. 2161.2409 2116 DCB_int_01 2161.4166 Mm-hm. 2161.7565 2117 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2161.8488 Um, another job I worked at 2164.3459 2118 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2164.3459 (pause 0.14) 2164.4899 2119 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2164.4899 Traveler's Insurance they had the Medicare contracts so I was processing Medicare claims. 2168.8596 2120 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2168.8596 (pause 0.51) 2169.3719 2121 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2169.3719 Um, and then 2171.2327 2122 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2171.2327 (pause 0.43) 2171.6609 2123 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2171.6609 I l- 2172.0251 2124 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2172.0251 (pause 0.38) 2172.4013 2125 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2172.4013 I worked at 2173.2577 2126 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2173.2577 (pause 0.27) 2173.5257 2127 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2173.5257 a bank, I worked at um, 2175.5466 2128 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2175.5466 (pause 0.36) 2175.9106 2129 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2175.9106 I can't even remember the name of the bank now. 2177.1112 2130 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2177.1112 (pause 0.50) 2177.6114 2131 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2177.6114 Um, but I worked there from four in the morning to twelve noon 2180.9288 2132 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2180.9288 (pause 0.42) 2181.3529 2133 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2181.3529 processing credit cards, that's when credit cards were 2184.2383 2134 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2184.2383 (pause 0.08) 2184.3222 2135 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2184.3222 um, when you payed credit card [they sw-] 2185.7708 2136 DCB_int_01 2185.4147 [And they swiped /the little-/] 2186.3071 2137 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2186.0470 [swiped] your card and it was that little s- 2187.3676 2138 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2187.5876 [rectangular piece.] 2188.4920 2139 DCB_int_01 2187.6156 [Imprint, mm-hm.] 2188.5880 2140 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2188.8241 And so I processed those. 2190.2688 2141 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2190.2688 (pause 0.24) 2190.5088 2142 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2190.5088 So um, yeah I would 2191.7013 2143 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2191.7013 (pause 0.11) 2191.8134 2144 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2191.8134 work on the weekends, I was single, I had my own place, I had a car, 2195.1629 2145 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2195.1629 (pause 0.46) 2195.6190 2146 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2195.6190 and uh, so I just worked. 2197.0950 2147 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2197.0950 (pause 0.20) 2197.2917 2148 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2197.2917 That's all I wanted to do was work. 2198.3922 2149 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2198.3922 (pause 0.51) 2198.9004 2150 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2198.9004 So I worked all the time. 2199.7648 2151 DCB_int_01 2200.0247 Was it- did you wanna work cause you wanted to like 2201.6174 2152 DCB_int_01 2201.6174 (pause 0.31) 2201.9256 2153 DCB_int_01 2201.9256 get money, save up money? Or did you just want to work cause you just loved like 2204.8990 2154 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2205.0949 I just [wanted to work.] 2205.7589 2155 DCB_int_01 2205.3470 [being on your] own? 2206.0110 2156 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2206.1074 I just wanted to be on my own and I just wanted to work. 2207.7480 2157 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2207.7480 (pause 0.96) 2208.7045 2158 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2208.7045 And I didn't wanna come back home. 2209.5729 2159 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2209.5729 (pause 1.11) 2210.6853 2160 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2210.6853 [] 2211.9973 2161 DCB_int_01 2210.9854 [Mm.] 2211.2227 2162 DCB_int_01 2211.2227 (pause 0.13) 2211.3576 2163 DCB_int_01 2211.3576 [Okay so how] do we- 2212.3941 2164 DCB_int_01 2212.4701 how do we- 2213.0794 2165 DCB_int_01 2213.0794 (pause 0.19) 2213.2743 2166 DCB_int_01 2213.2743 how do we end up [back here like] kind of what was the path of 2216.2516 2167 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2214.2548 [Back home?] 2214.7710 2168 DCB_int_01 2216.5277 fifteen jobs 2217.6082 2169 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2217.9124 [] 2218.9057 2170 DCB_int_01 2218.0524 [to coming back?] 2218.7231 2171 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2219.2450 [So], 2219.7052 2172 DCB_int_01 2219.3930 [] 2219.9372 2173 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2219.9292 on the job /that/ I work at the bank, 2221.4219 2174 DCB_int_01 2221.5739 Mm-hm. 2221.8461 2175 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2221.8220 from four in the morning 2222.8025 2176 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2223.1545 to- 2223.8469 2177 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2223.8469 (pause 0.14) 2223.9829 2178 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2223.9829 to noon, 2224.7231 2179 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2224.7231 (pause 0.09) 2224.8113 2180 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2224.8113 I met my first husband. 2226.1999 2181 DCB_int_01 2226.3838 Mm-hm. 2226.7971 2182 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2226.8001 He worked five- 2227.9446 2183 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2227.9446 (pause 0.65) 2228.5927 2184 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2228.5927 five to two. 2229.2772 2185 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2229.2772 (pause 0.44) 2229.7212 2186 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2229.7212 Five to one. 2230.1894 2187 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2230.1894 (pause 0.80) 2230.9858 2188 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2230.9858 And um, met him 2232.3464 2189 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2232.3464 (pause 0.56) 2232.9107 2190 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2232.9107 and then we got married 2234.3313 2191 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2234.3313 (pause 0.87) 2235.1995 2192 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2235.1995 in eighty seven. 2236.6075 2193 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2236.6075 (pause 0.75) 2237.3605 2194 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2237.3605 I met him in eighty six, we got married in eighty seven, 2239.5975 2195 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2239.5975 (pause 0.42) 2240.0176 2196 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2240.0176 my daughter was born in eighty eight. 2241.7264 2197 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2241.7264 (pause 0.80) 2242.5226 2198 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2242.5226 Um, 2243.2990 2199 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2243.2990 (pause 0.30) 2243.5991 2200 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2243.5991 he had lost his job 2244.8005 2201 DCB_int_01 2245.4039 [Mm-hm.] 2245.7680 2202 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2245.6730 [and] so we couldn't afford 2247.4528 2203 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2248.4052 to s- 2249.1176 2204 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2249.1176 (pause 0.38) 2249.5016 2205 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2249.5016 stay together once 2250.6782 2206 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2250.6782 (pause 0.49) 2251.1663 2207 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2251.1663 I went into labor and had 2252.3228 2208 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2252.3228 (pause 0.13) 2252.4549 2209 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2252.4549 the baby cause then I couldn't work. 2253.9869 2210 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2253.9869 (pause 0.68) 2254.6718 2211 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2254.6718 So. 2254.9958 2212 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2254.9958 (pause 0.86) 2255.8563 2213 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2255.8563 Um, 2256.3525 2214 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2256.3525 (pause 0.76) 2257.1128 2215 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2257.1128 so the plan was that- 2259.1274 2216 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2259.1274 (pause 0.81) 2259.9420 2217 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2259.9420 my daughter was born in October, 2261.5427 2218 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2261.5427 (pause 0.72) 2262.2589 2219 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2262.2589 the plan was that in November around 2264.2278 2220 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2264.2278 (pause 0.15) 2264.3759 2221 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2264.3759 Thanksgiving 2265.1199 2222 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2265.1199 (pause 1.21) 2266.3286 2223 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2266.3286 um, the baby and I moved back home. 2267.9453 2224 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2267.9453 (pause 0.97) 2268.9137 2225 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2268.9137 While he got- 2269.4260 2226 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2269.4260 (pause 0.25) 2269.6741 2227 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2269.6741 found a job and got on his feet. 2271.1068 2228 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2271.1068 (pause 0.19) 2271.2987 2229 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2271.2987 The cool thing was that as we were packing up, 2273.4947 2230 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2273.4947 (pause 0.37) 2273.8598 2231 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2273.8598 he did find a job. 2275.0844 2232 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2275.0844 (pause 0.39) 2275.4765 2233 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2275.4765 But by then 2276.1769 2234 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2276.1769 (pause 0.11) 2276.2889 2235 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2276.2889 all our money was gone 2277.2854 2236 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2277.2854 (pause 0.34) 2277.6295 2237 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2277.6295 from him not working. 2278.5059 2238 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2278.5059 (pause 0.54) 2279.0499 2239 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2279.0499 So um, 2279.8703 2240 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2279.8703 (pause 0.07) 2279.9354 2241 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2279.9354 the plan was that 2280.9068 2242 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2280.9068 (pause 0.60) 2281.5031 2243 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2281.5031 um, I left in November, 2282.7356 2244 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2282.7356 (pause 0.34) 2283.0717 2245 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2283.0717 by February the baby and I were supposed to go back to Richmond. 2285.6929 2246 DCB_int_01 2285.9929 Mm-hm. 2286.2956 2247 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2286.4771 And that didn't happen, 2287.2865 2248 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2287.2865 (pause 0.12) 2287.4096 2249 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2287.4096 so I ended up being here, staying here and then he and I got divorced. 2290.6389 2250 DCB_int_01 2291.3151 So how long were you married, a year? 2292.6357 2251 DCB_int_01 2292.6357 (pause 0.15) 2292.7838 2252 DCB_int_01 2292.7838 A year and a half? Two years? 2293.7211 2253 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2293.6842 Fifteen months. 2294.4766 2254 DCB_int_01 2295.9371 Okay. 2296.2011 2255 DCB_int_01 2296.2011 (pause 0.69) 2296.8896 2256 DCB_int_01 2296.8896 But you have a daughter, 2297.6779 2257 DCB_int_01 2297.6779 (pause 0.31) 2297.9900 2258 DCB_int_01 2297.9900 and that's a great thing. 2298.9344 2259 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2298.9464 And a daughter. 2299.5427 2260 DCB_int_01 2299.4867 So now you came back home, [were you] 2301.4156 2261 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2300.9271 [Mm-hm.] 2301.3966 2262 DCB_int_01 2301.5314 at home with mom and [dad?] 2302.7940 2263 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2302.6239 [Mm-hm.] 2303.2039 2264 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2303.3802 For a year. 2303.9896 2265 DCB_int_01 2304.5328 2305.0490 2266 DCB_int_01 2305.0490 (pause 0.13) 2305.1771 2267 DCB_int_01 2305.1771 [How was that?] 2305.9614 2268 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2305.1891 [One year.] 2305.8854 2269 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2306.0054 It- it wasn't good. 2307.4421 2270 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2307.4421 (pause 0.12) 2307.5580 2271 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2307.5580 It wasn't good. 2309.1147 2272 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2309.1147 (pause 0.52) 2309.6387 2273 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2309.6387 It wasn't good on a n- 2310.8513 2274 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2310.8513 (pause 0.14) 2310.9874 2275 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2310.9874 on lots of levels, one, 2312.3687 2276 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2312.3687 (pause 0.32) 2312.6842 2277 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2312.6842 I didn't wanna be at home. 2313.6646 2278 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2313.6646 (pause 0.13) 2313.7925 2279 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2313.7925 I [was raised] to be independent, be on my own, not to 2317.3022 2280 DCB_int_01 2313.9286 [Right.] 2314.2206 2281 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2317.5822 rely on anyone. 2318.7089 2282 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2318.7089 (pause 0.21) 2318.9148 2283 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2318.9148 That's how I was raised, to be self sufficient 2321.5960 2284 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2321.5960 (pause 0.45) 2322.0440 2285 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2322.0440 and um, 2323.2966 2286 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2323.2966 (pause 0.24) 2323.5367 2287 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2323.5367 to do 2324.2010 2288 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2324.2010 (pause 0.14) 2324.3411 2289 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2324.3411 whatever I need to do 2325.2651 2290 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2325.2651 (pause 0.14) 2325.4096 2291 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2325.4096 on my own. 2326.0058 2292 DCB_int_01 2326.4219 Mm-hm. 2326.9192 2293 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2327.1262 The other thing is that two mothers in one household do not work. 2330.5597 2294 DCB_int_01 2330.5956 Mm-hm. 2331.0049 2295 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2331.0758 2332.0883 2296 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2332.0883 (pause 0.60) 2332.6846 2297 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2332.6846 And the other is that I was right back in this situation 2335.8420 2298 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2335.8420 (pause 0.36) 2336.2061 2299 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2336.2061 with 2336.9927 2300 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2336.9927 (pause 0.12) 2337.1105 2301 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2337.1105 my father 2337.8998 2302 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2337.8998 (pause 0.33) 2338.2267 2303 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2338.2267 and 2338.9854 2304 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2338.9854 (pause 0.25) 2339.2392 2305 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2339.2392 um, 2339.7512 2306 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2339.7512 (pause 0.16) 2339.9075 2307 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2339.9075 his own issues and being nasty and mean. 2342.8167 2308 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2342.8167 (pause 0.32) 2343.1329 2309 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2343.1329 So I had to get the hell out of Dodge as quick as I can. 2345.5220 2310 DCB_int_01 2345.5620 Right. 2345.8742 2311 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2345.8822 So soon as I came back, 2347.1948 2312 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2347.1948 (pause 0.38) 2347.5774 2313 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2347.5774 um, 2348.1374 2314 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2348.1374 (pause 1.04) 2349.1794 2315 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2349.1794 you know I was there exactly a year. 2350.8728 2316 DCB_int_01 2351.6325 And you were like, I'm done. 2352.5245 2317 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2352.6409 And then I moved out. 2353.6094 2318 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2353.6094 (pause 0.70) 2354.3057 2319 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2354.3057 And then 2354.7739 2320 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2354.7739 (pause 0.11) 2354.8818 2321 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2354.8818 moved into Riverdale. 2355.7622 2322 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2355.7622 (pause 1.06) 2356.8226 2323 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2356.8226 [Yup so I start-] so I c- so what happened was I came home in November, 2359.6039 2324 DCB_int_01 2356.9267 [And so-] 2357.3533 2325 DCB_int_01 2359.6238 Mm-hm. 2359.9559 2326 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2360.4392 um, by February was you know, 2362.8693 2327 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2362.8693 (pause 0.13) 2362.9972 2328 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2362.9972 uh, 2363.4694 2329 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2363.4694 (pause 0.31) 2363.7776 2330 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2363.7776 it was determined that I wasn't going back to Richmond, 2366.3161 2331 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2366.3161 (pause 0.52) 2366.8349 2332 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2366.8349 so I found a job and started working. 2368.6236 2333 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2368.6236 (pause 1.32) 2369.9482 2334 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2369.9482 And [so] then by- 2370.6764 2335 DCB_int_01 2370.0641 [And-] 2370.2561 2336 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2370.7725 from February to November is when I saved up all my money and then 2374.1071 2337 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2374.1071 (pause 0.77) 2374.8784 2338 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2374.8784 my daughter and I moved out. 2375.8468 2339 DCB_int_01 2377.3434 And then how did that- 2378.2180 2340 DCB_int_01 2378.2180 (pause 0.87) 2379.0919 2341 DCB_int_01 2379.0919 and then what did you do for 2380.5893 2342 DCB_int_01 2380.5893 (pause 0.65) 2381.2369 2343 DCB_int_01 2381.2369 the next /span?/ 2382.3574 2344 DCB_int_01 2382.3574 (pause 0.25) 2382.6056 2345 DCB_int_01 2382.6056 Because how- then you 2384.0701 2346 DCB_int_01 2384.0701 (pause 0.30) 2384.3663 2347 DCB_int_01 2384.3663 worked for a w- long time. 2385.7089 2348 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2385.7469 Mm-hm. 2386.2111 2349 DCB_int_01 2386.4471 Um, 2387.2884 2350 DCB_int_01 2387.2884 (pause 0.19) 2387.4796 2351 DCB_int_01 2387.4796 and then you got remarried. 2388.6481 2352 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2388.9601 Mm I- 2389.9926 2353 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2389.9926 (pause 0.10) 2390.0967 2354 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2390.0967 I met 2390.9233 2355 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2390.9233 (pause 0.62) 2391.5453 2356 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2391.5453 the twins' father. 2392.6058 2357 DCB_int_01 2392.8897 Okay. 2393.2390 2358 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2393.4059 We didn't- we were planning to get married but [we didn't get ma-] 2395.9311 2359 DCB_int_01 2395.0867 [And no one got ma- Okay.] 2395.9791 2360 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2396.0432 [Right.] 2396.2313 2361 DCB_int_01 2396.1272 [Mm-hm.] 2396.4073 2362 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2396.7555 Um, so we- we um, 2399.2048 2363 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2399.2048 (pause 0.54) 2399.7446 2364 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2399.7446 2399.8287 2365 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2399.8287 (pause 0.10) 2399.9287 2366 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2399.9287 we m- 2400.3329 2367 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2400.3329 (pause 0.14) 2400.4690 2368 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2400.4690 moved in together when I was pregnant with the twins, 2403.1222 2369 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2403.1222 (pause 0.73) 2403.8503 2370 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2403.8503 and then we separated 2405.5111 2371 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2405.5111 (pause 0.13) 2405.6391 2372 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2405.6391 when the twins were like a year and a month old. 2407.7401 2373 DCB_int_01 2408.8045 And then you're like, alright. 2409.9151 2374 DCB_int_01 2409.9151 (pause 0.62) 2410.5333 2375 DCB_int_01 2410.5333 So 2411.0055 2376 DCB_int_01 2411.0055 (pause 0.43) 2411.4377 2377 DCB_int_01 2411.4377 um, 2412.0510 2378 DCB_int_01 2412.0510 (pause 0.08) 2412.1339 2379 DCB_int_01 2412.1339 and then what did you do? Now how did you get from- 2414.6152 2380 DCB_int_01 2414.6152 (pause 0.97) 2415.5833 2381 DCB_int_01 2415.5833 So you were working at the bank and then what was the jo- you were just working at- 2418.2214 2382 DCB_int_01 2418.2214 (pause 0.08) 2418.3035 2383 DCB_int_01 2418.3035 whatever 2418.7497 2384 DCB_int_01 2418.7497 (pause 0.20) 2418.9488 2385 DCB_int_01 2418.9488 [payed the bills] 2419.7892 2386 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2418.9968 [When I was a-] 2419.4690 2387 DCB_int_01 2420.2494 after your daughter was born? 2421.4659 2388 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2422.1141 Oh. 2422.3782 2389 DCB_int_01 2422.3502 Or are you working in your field? 2423.4769 2390 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2424.0950 No. 2424.4832 2391 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2424.4832 (pause 0.73) 2425.2113 2392 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2425.2113 I was working in my field 2426.7040 2393 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2426.7040 (pause 0.29) 2426.9905 2394 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2426.9905 and at the bank up until 2428.8090 2395 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2428.8090 (pause 0.63) 2429.4411 2396 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2429.4411 my daughter was born. 2430.1575 2397 DCB_int_01 2430.1335 Mm-hm. 2430.5377 2398 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2430.4976 When I was living in Richmond. 2431.4083 2399 DCB_int_01 2431.4661 Right. 2431.7582 2400 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2432.1064 When I came back home 2433.4788 2401 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2433.4788 (pause 0.46) 2433.9430 2402 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2433.9430 um, 2434.5723 2403 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2434.5723 (pause 0.21) 2434.7834 2404 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2434.7834 I thought I was going back to Richmond so I didn't get a job 2437.2847 2405 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2437.2847 (pause 0.26) 2437.5405 2406 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2437.5405 until it was 2438.1379 2407 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2438.1379 (pause 0.24) 2438.3809 2408 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2438.3809 obvious I wasn't going back. 2440.1017 2409 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2440.1017 (pause 0.11) 2440.2096 2410 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2440.2096 So then I started looking for a job, 2441.6390 2411 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2441.6390 (pause 0.51) 2442.1522 2412 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2442.1522 and I ended up- 2443.2647 2413 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2443.2647 (pause 0.23) 2443.4968 2414 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2443.4968 started off working 2444.5813 2415 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2444.5813 (pause 0.09) 2444.6756 2416 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2444.6756 at 2444.9997 2417 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2444.9997 (pause 0.10) 2445.1038 2418 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2445.1038 a hospital 2445.7961 2419 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2445.7961 (pause 1.02) 2446.8164 2420 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2446.8164 in billing 2447.4951 2421 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2447.4951 (pause 0.37) 2447.8609 2422 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2447.8609 in um, 2448.7613 2423 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2448.7613 (pause 0.93) 2449.6937 2424 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2449.6937 Doctor's Hospital in Arlington, 2451.3704 2425 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2451.3704 (pause 0.11) 2451.4825 2426 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2451.4825 it's [called something] else now. 2452.5283 2427 DCB_int_01 2451.6865 [Mm.] 2451.9146 2428 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2453.1591 Um, 2453.5818 2429 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2453.5818 (pause 0.15) 2453.7314 2430 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2453.7314 so, 2454.1716 2431 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2454.1716 (pause 0.11) 2454.2837 2432 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2454.2837 I did that. 2454.8730 2433 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2454.8730 (pause 0.82) 2455.6882 2434 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2455.6882 And then from there I started working for 2458.5775 2435 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2458.5775 (pause 0.67) 2459.2497 2436 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2459.2497 Group Health Adminis- 2460.3297 2437 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2460.3297 (pause 0.20) 2460.5302 2438 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2460.5302 Group Health Association, GHA they're no longer. 2462.9633 2439 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2462.9633 (pause 0.53) 2463.4914 2440 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2463.4914 And they were the first HMO in the DC area. 2466.0846 2441 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2466.0846 (pause 0.76) 2466.8449 2442 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2466.8449 So I worked for them 2468.1195 2443 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2468.1195 (pause 1.47) 2469.5940 2444 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2469.5940 ooh almost ten years. 2470.8986 2445 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2470.8986 (pause 0.34) 2471.2428 2446 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2471.2428 And then they decided to pull up out of the area 2473.6159 2447 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2473.6159 (pause 0.43) 2474.0479 2448 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2474.0479 and 2474.3401 2449 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2474.3401 (pause 0.17) 2474.5082 2450 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2474.5082 laid everybody off. 2475.6167 2451 DCB_int_01 2476.1968 So how did you get- 2476.9771 2452 DCB_int_01 2476.9771 (pause 0.16) 2477.1371 2453 DCB_int_01 2477.1371 because now you do- I mean it's still 2478.8545 2454 DCB_int_01 2478.8545 (pause 0.08) 2478.9340 2455 DCB_int_01 2478.9340 administration 2480.0580 2456 DCB_int_01 2480.0580 (pause 0.08) 2480.1425 2457 DCB_int_01 2480.1425 [um], 2480.4012 2458 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2480.1465 [Mm-hm.] 2480.7305 2459 DCB_int_01 2480.5147 but it's a little different but I also know you do event [planning, like how did] you [kind of-] 2484.1883 2460 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2482.9796 [Mm-hm.] 2483.5129 2461 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2483.5129 (pause 0.32) 2483.8280 2462 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2483.8280 [How did I] get there? 2484.6043 2463 DCB_int_01 2484.5643 All that 2485.1446 2464 DCB_int_01 2485.3167 [kind of came] together. 2486.3131 2465 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2485.3247 [So-] 2485.7007 2466 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2486.5851 so when I left Richmond and came back here 2489.0823 2467 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2489.0823 (pause 0.38) 2489.4663 2468 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2489.4663 um, 2490.0237 2469 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2490.0237 (pause 0.22) 2490.2387 2470 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2490.2387 it ended up I wasn't going back to Richmond that wasn't my plan and my 2493.6123 2471 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2493.6123 (pause 0.10) 2493.7161 2472 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2493.7161 idea. 2494.2203 2473 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2494.2203 (pause 0.42) 2494.6445 2474 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2494.6445 And so I didn't want 2496.1212 2475 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2496.1212 (pause 0.21) 2496.3293 2476 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2496.3293 to 2496.9656 2477 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2496.9656 (pause 0.84) 2497.8059 2478 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2497.8059 be a counselor 2499.0606 2479 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2499.0606 (pause 0.45) 2499.5105 2480 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2499.5105 because I felt 2500.2268 2481 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2500.2268 (pause 0.14) 2500.3709 2482 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2500.3709 that 2500.7751 2483 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2500.7751 (pause 0.51) 2501.2873 2484 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2501.2873 I had needed to get my own life straight 2502.9561 2485 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2502.9561 (pause 0.35) 2503.3042 2486 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2503.3042 and my own emotional state straight 2505.0371 2487 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2505.0371 (pause 0.30) 2505.3409 2488 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2505.3409 before I start- I could help other people 2507.2138 2489 DCB_int_01 2507.4578 [Mm-hm.] 2507.8645 2490 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2507.5218 [with their] issues. 2508.4899 2491 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2509.0267 And so I just- um, I didn't wanna do that 2511.5197 2492 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2511.5197 (pause 0.86) 2512.3761 2493 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2512.3761 until I got myself straight. 2513.4444 2494 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2513.4444 (pause 0.11) 2513.5565 2495 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2513.5565 So I just /start-/ went through 2515.5118 2496 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2515.5118 (pause 0.13) 2515.6453 2497 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2515.6453 back then you didn't /know/ on the internet 2517.2421 2498 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2517.2421 (pause 0.15) 2517.3942 2499 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2517.3942 cause there wasn't- 2518.0368 2500 DCB_int_01 2518.2065 Internet. 2518.6226 2501 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2518.5466 [You know], 2519.5750 2502 DCB_int_01 2519.2429 [Right.] 2519.5189 2503 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2519.7791 I was in the Washington Post 2520.7858 2504 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2520.7858 (pause 0.11) 2520.8995 2505 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2520.8995 looking for jobs, and I found 2522.2962 2506 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2522.2962 (pause 0.11) 2522.4082 2507 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2522.4082 the job at the hospital. 2523.4127 2508 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2523.4127 (pause 0.31) 2523.7248 2509 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2523.7248 And that's what I did to pay the bills. 2525.4536 2510 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2525.4536 (pause 0.34) 2525.7935 2511 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2525.7935 And then I found the job at GHA. 2527.5349 2512 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2527.5349 (pause 0.33) 2527.8665 2513 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2527.8665 And so I was processing 2529.1972 2514 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2529.1972 (pause 0.55) 2529.7514 2515 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2529.7514 claims- 2530.4117 2516 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2530.4117 (pause 0.10) 2530.5076 2517 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2530.5076 insurance claims [again.] 2531.5743 2518 DCB_int_01 2531.3440 [Mm-hm.] 2531.6533 2519 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2531.9923 In the hospital I was doing billing. 2533.4530 2520 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2533.4530 (pause 0.74) 2534.1931 2521 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2534.1931 Um, insurance [billing] so it was all that so I had that- 2536.5582 2522 DCB_int_01 2534.9134 [Billing.] 2535.2694 2523 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2536.6782 got that training when I was in Richmond to do 2538.8672 2524 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2538.8672 (pause 0.49) 2539.3593 2525 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2539.3593 um, 2539.7355 2526 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2539.7355 (pause 0.50) 2540.2317 2527 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2540.2317 ICD-9 coding and CDT coding and so that's what I did to pay the bills. 2544.4775 2528 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2544.4775 (pause 0.47) 2544.9497 2529 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2544.9497 And um- 2545.9982 2530 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2545.9982 (pause 0.79) 2546.7905 2531 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2546.7905 and so from 2548.1872 2532 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2548.1872 (pause 0.38) 2548.5631 2533 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2548.5631 there, 2549.4115 2534 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2549.4115 (pause 0.78) 2550.1879 2535 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2550.1879 when they laid everybody off I found a job 2553.0932 2536 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2553.0932 (pause 0.10) 2553.1892 2537 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2553.1892 as an executive secretary for 2555.4622 2538 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2555.4622 (pause 0.92) 2556.3785 2539 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2556.3785 th- 2556.5424 2540 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2556.5424 (pause 0.95) 2557.4909 2541 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2557.4909 Nope. 2557.7430 2542 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2557.7430 (pause 0.10) 2557.8430 2543 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2557.8430 I'm sorry let me back up. 2558.7394 2544 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2558.7394 (pause 0.58) 2559.3197 2545 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2559.3197 (makes rewind noise) 2560.0681 2546 DCB_int_01 2560.0736 [] 2562.4292 2547 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2560.4322 [So-] 2561.3046 2548 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2561.3046 (pause 0.30) 2561.6088 2549 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2561.6088 [so after GHA] laid us all off 2563.6655 2550 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2564.0618 I- 2564.6391 2551 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2564.6391 (pause 0.79) 2565.4302 2552 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2565.4302 um, someone told me about 2567.2390 2553 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2567.2390 (pause 0.13) 2567.3711 2554 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2567.3711 the DC 2568.4196 2555 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2568.4196 (pause 0.10) 2568.5156 2556 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2568.5156 Dislocated Workers Program 2570.0683 2557 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2570.0683 (pause 0.91) 2570.9806 2558 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2570.9806 [Which], if you had been on your job for two years in DC or you worked in DC and you got laid off due to no fault of your own, 2577.6595 2559 DCB_int_01 2571.0060 [Hm.] 2571.3750 2560 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2578.1917 at that time, 2579.0361 2561 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2579.0361 (pause 0.58) 2579.6122 2562 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2579.6122 there was ten thousand dollars 2581.1850 2563 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2581.1850 (pause 0.17) 2581.3570 2564 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2581.3570 for you to- 2582.6577 2565 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2582.6577 (pause 0.13) 2582.7895 2566 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2582.7895 education expenses for you if you wanted to be retrained in a different field. 2586.4312 2567 DCB_int_01 2587.4515 [Mm.] 2588.1118 2568 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2587.5475 [I don't know if it still] exists or not 2588.9042 2569 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2589.2563 but it was there then. 2590.6963 2570 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2590.6963 (pause 0.49) 2591.1890 2571 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2591.1890 And so while um, I was out and- and 2594.8028 2572 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2594.8028 (pause 0.12) 2594.9186 2573 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2594.9186 getting 2595.3348 2574 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2595.3348 (pause 0.58) 2595.9110 2575 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2595.9110 you know the severance package, 2597.1556 2576 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2597.1556 (pause 0.72) 2597.8800 2577 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2597.8800 I enrolled in this computer school. 2599.5927 2578 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2599.5927 (pause 0.35) 2599.9407 2579 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2599.9407 And I learned 2600.4289 2580 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2600.4289 (pause 0.10) 2600.5329 2581 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2600.5329 everything about computers that I could, I learned 2602.6619 2582 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2602.6619 (pause 0.22) 2602.8820 2583 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2602.8820 all- everyth- all the- 2603.9665 2584 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2603.9665 (pause 0.10) 2604.0666 2585 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2604.0666 the Office pro- 2604.8389 2586 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2604.8389 (pause 0.18) 2605.0149 2587 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2605.0149 Suite programs. 2606.0394 2588 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2606.0394 (pause 0.57) 2606.6076 2589 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2606.6076 Um, 2607.0158 2590 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2607.0158 (pause 0.10) 2607.1159 2591 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2607.1159 I 2607.5583 2592 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2607.5583 (pause 0.54) 2608.0962 2593 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2608.0962 learned C p- C+, C++ and Visual Basic. 2611.0776 2594 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2611.0776 (pause 1.17) 2612.2516 2595 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2612.2516 And um- 2613.2020 2596 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2613.2020 (pause 0.21) 2613.4112 2597 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2613.4112 and it was all payed for. 2614.4352 2598 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2614.4352 (pause 0.38) 2614.8118 2599 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2614.8118 You know. 2615.2040 2600 DCB_int_01 2615.4841 [And that was a big deal at that-] cause computers were the thing at that [point like you know] 2619.6291 2601 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2615.4881 [I took every class.] 2616.8848 2602 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2616.8848 (pause 2.16) 2619.0408 2603 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2619.0408 [Right.] 2619.4730 2604 DCB_int_01 2619.8611 they weren't just kind of whatever. 2621.1137 2605 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2621.1137 Right. 2621.4057 2606 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2622.0220 So um- 2623.1385 2607 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2623.1385 (pause 0.11) 2623.2506 2608 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2623.2506 and this was in the nineties, this was in the mid-nineties so I did that, 2626.3600 2609 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2626.3600 (pause 0.44) 2626.7960 2610 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2626.7960 and then um, 2628.2767 2611 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2628.2767 (pause 0.57) 2628.8449 2612 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2628.8449 from there, 2629.7383 2613 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2629.7383 (pause 0.44) 2630.1815 2614 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2630.1815 I found 2631.5542 2615 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2631.5542 (pause 0.80) 2632.3503 2616 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2632.3503 the job as an executive secretary for this guy who- 2635.4878 2617 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2635.4878 (pause 0.08) 2635.5718 2618 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2635.5718 it was a small office and he owned it hisself. 2637.5625 2619 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2637.5625 (pause 0.68) 2638.2408 2620 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2638.2408 But he 2639.2212 2621 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2639.2212 (pause 1.20) 2640.4218 2622 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2640.4218 did 2641.0551 2623 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2641.0551 (pause 0.33) 2641.3862 2624 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2641.3862 environmental consulting 2642.9590 2625 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2642.9590 (pause 0.52) 2643.4790 2626 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2643.4790 for this group 2644.3954 2627 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2644.3954 (pause 0.52) 2644.9196 2628 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2644.9196 of peop- 2645.4079 2629 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2645.4079 (pause 0.23) 2645.6360 2630 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2645.6360 group of guys in Belgium and Japan 2647.5529 2631 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2647.5529 (pause 0.38) 2647.9370 2632 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2647.9370 which was wonderful for me, 2649.4137 2633 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2649.4137 (pause 0.38) 2649.7976 2634 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2649.7976 because then I got exposure to international things. 2653.0695 2635 DCB_int_01 2653.3952 [Mm.] 2653.7794 2636 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2653.4352 [So] I got ex- and you know I 2655.1485 2637 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2655.4401 became exposed to 2656.7607 2638 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2656.7607 (pause 0.32) 2657.0808 2639 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2657.0808 the Japanese and- and 2658.6095 2640 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2658.6095 (pause 0.10) 2658.7135 2641 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2658.7135 the 2659.0417 2642 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2659.0417 (pause 0.18) 2659.2178 2643 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2659.2178 businessman who would come. 2660.2740 2644 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2660.2740 (pause 0.53) 2660.8062 2645 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2660.8062 And the Belgians 2661.7347 2646 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2661.7347 (pause 0.13) 2661.8627 2647 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2661.8627 who were my favorite because they always brought me candy and chocolates. 2664.7721 2648 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2664.7721 (pause 0.45) 2665.2203 2649 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2665.2203 Oh [my god.] 2665.6565 2650 DCB_int_01 2665.4444 [] 2666.8249 2651 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2666.8289 The 2667.0502 2652 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2667.0502 (pause 0.23) 2667.2811 2653 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2667.2811 best chocolates. 2668.0745 2654 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2668.0745 (pause 0.33) 2668.4015 2655 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2668.4015 Uh, which is now I would not- I would very rarely eat Hershey chocolate now because I've been exposed to 2673.3035 2656 DCB_int_01 2673.3195 Mm. [Mm-hm.] 2674.1239 2657 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2673.6277 [Better stuff] so the l- 2674.7384 2658 DCB_int_01 2674.5041 [It's hard] to 2675.1084 2659 DCB_int_01 2675.2004 have [like little hamburger] when you have this- Mm. 2677.7616 2660 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2675.5646 [You know], 2676.2326 2661 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2676.2326 (pause 0.42) 2676.6531 2662 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2676.6531 [Godiva's slumming] for me. 2678.2818 2663 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2678.4657 [You know. ] 2680.1345 2664 DCB_int_01 2678.5697 [Mm. Mm-hm.] 2680.1425 2665 DCB_int_01 2680.6347 [I'm so sorry you gotta struggle /RD-NAME-2/ so sorry.] 2683.0197 2666 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2680.8148 [ You know it's a- it's a] struggle, struggle, somebody gotta do it. 2684.4642 2667 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2684.9726 But um, 2685.4128 2668 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2685.4128 (pause 0.18) 2685.5927 2669 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2685.5927 so from there, 2687.0247 2670 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2687.0247 (pause 1.17) 2688.1978 2671 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2688.1978 um, I only worked for him about seven 2689.9786 2672 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2689.9786 (pause 0.16) 2690.1347 2673 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2690.1347 eight months [cause] he was a tyrant. 2691.8040 2674 DCB_int_01 2690.7670 [Mm-hm.] 2691.0872 2675 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2692.2875 And- and um, 2693.5981 2676 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2693.5981 (pause 0.29) 2693.8882 2677 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2693.8882 so from there 2694.6365 2678 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2694.6365 (pause 0.34) 2694.9727 2679 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2694.9727 I 2695.5220 2680 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2695.5220 (pause 0.18) 2695.7050 2681 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2695.7050 went to 2696.6864 2682 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2696.6864 (pause 0.14) 2696.8256 2683 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2696.8256 the place I came 2697.7060 2684 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2697.7060 (pause 0.48) 2698.1819 2685 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2698.1819 from before I came here 2699.2865 2686 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2699.2865 (pause 0.18) 2699.4705 2687 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2699.4705 which was National Childr- 2700.9752 2688 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2700.9752 (pause 0.33) 2701.3034 2689 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2701.3034 Children's Alliance. 2702.2798 2690 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2702.2798 (pause 0.41) 2702.6920 2691 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2702.6920 And I was there for sixteen years. 2704.3448 2692 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2704.3448 (pause 0.53) 2704.8768 2693 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2704.8768 And from there I- I started off as 2707.7221 2694 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2707.7221 (pause 0.46) 2708.1863 2695 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2708.1863 um, 2708.7666 2696 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2708.7666 (pause 0.27) 2709.0385 2697 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2709.0385 executive assistant, 2709.9478 2698 DCB_int_01 2710.1790 Mm-hm. 2710.4963 2699 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2710.8553 and then my- 2711.6966 2700 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2711.6966 (pause 0.64) 2712.3360 2701 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2712.3360 it's like the more they figured out I knew or things I could do, my position kept evolving. [It was a small] non-profit, smaller than this one. It was- 2719.7190 2702 DCB_int_01 2717.2620 [Mm-hm.] 2717.6887 2703 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2719.8031 it's a national non-profit but there were only- 2721.8360 2704 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2721.8360 (pause 0.40) 2722.2402 2705 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2722.2402 and it's 2722.6095 2706 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2722.6095 (pause 0.94) 2723.5448 2707 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2723.5448 sixteen people at the- 2724.8052 2708 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2724.8052 (pause 0.12) 2724.9212 2709 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2724.9212 at- 2725.0893 2710 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2725.0893 (pause 0.34) 2725.4254 2711 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2725.4254 /at this./ 2725.9694 2712 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2725.9694 (pause 1.67) 2727.6345 2713 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2727.6345 Yeah. 2727.9411 2714 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2727.9411 (pause 0.18) 2728.1227 2715 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2728.1227 Only 2728.3947 2716 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2728.3947 (pause 0.10) 2728.4989 2717 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2728.4989 sixteen people was the highest number of employees we had [at one time.] 2731.4281 2718 DCB_int_01 2730.8797 [Oh okay yeah] it's tiny. 2732.0643 2719 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2732.3844 Uh-huh. 2732.7646 2720 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2732.7646 (pause 0.29) 2733.0567 2721 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2733.0567 Well um, so 2734.1314 2722 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2734.1314 (pause 0.93) 2735.0654 2723 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2735.0654 from 2735.8538 2724 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2735.8538 (pause 0.31) 2736.1659 2725 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2736.1659 executive assistant I moved into like 2738.4470 2726 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2738.4470 (pause 0.10) 2738.5510 2727 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2738.5510 uh, 2738.8910 2728 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2738.8910 (pause 0.54) 2739.4274 2729 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2739.4274 administrative coordinator, 2740.6240 2730 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2740.6240 (pause 0.26) 2740.8839 2731 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2740.8839 office manager and- and did all that kind of stuff. 2743.4851 2732 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2743.4851 (pause 0.49) 2743.9733 2733 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2743.9733 And then I moved into 2745.7346 2734 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2745.7346 (pause 0.55) 2746.2862 2735 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2746.2862 helping with our conference. 2747.7942 2736 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2747.7942 (pause 0.39) 2748.1871 2737 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2748.1871 So- 2748.5911 2738 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2748.5911 (pause 0.95) 2749.5437 2739 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2749.5437 so I already had some event planning experience from doing family things. 2753.4694 2740 DCB_int_01 2753.5612 Mm-hm. 2753.9172 2741 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2754.0495 And um- 2755.3588 2742 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2755.3588 (pause 0.62) 2755.9824 2743 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2755.9824 and then I just- 2756.8628 2744 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2756.8628 (pause 0.20) 2757.0589 2745 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2757.0589 I'm just 2757.6071 2746 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2757.6071 (pause 1.54) 2759.1517 2747 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2759.1517 well coordinated I guess so I'm good at coordinating things and so I just kept- 2764.1779 2748 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2764.1779 (pause 0.50) 2764.6819 2749 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2764.6819 And I'm good at making relationships and building [relationships] and I'm good at negotiating contracts and so it- my position just kept evolving, evolving, 2772.3452 2750 DCB_int_01 2766.9069 [Right.] 2767.3896 2751 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2772.6853 and so I went from 2773.6014 2752 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2773.6014 (pause 0.26) 2773.8659 2753 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2773.8659 administrative coordinator 2775.3392 2754 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2775.3392 (pause 0.27) 2775.6065 2755 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2775.6065 the 2776.0947 2756 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2776.0947 (pause 0.10) 2776.1947 2757 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2776.1947 um, 2776.6990 2758 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2776.6990 (pause 0.45) 2777.1472 2759 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2777.1472 event 2777.5554 2760 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2777.5554 (pause 0.34) 2777.8995 2761 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2777.8995 management coordinator. 2779.2155 2762 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2779.2155 (pause 0.65) 2779.8684 2763 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2779.8684 Uh-oh. 2780.2286 2764 DCB_int_01 2780.2246 Okay well let me- 2781.1890 2765 DCB_int_01 2781.4369 Somebody's calling us, hold on. 2782.9576 2766 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2783.0056 [] 2784.8505 2767 DCB_int_01 2784.0701 [We'll tell 'em that you're] not available. 2785.6848 2768 DCB_int_01 2789.1242 Boys and Girls Club, this is Minnie how may I help you? 2791.4335 2769 DCB_int_01 2791.4335 (pause 3.09) 2794.5226 2770 DCB_int_01 2794.5226 Um, 2795.3039 2771 DCB_int_01 2795.3039 (pause 0.37) 2795.6749 2772 DCB_int_01 2795.6749 just one m- do you know /RD-NAME-2/ extension? 2798.5868 2773 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2799.0604 I don't rem- (whispered) 2799.7528 2774 DCB_int_01 2801.2332 Okay, I 2802.6138 2775 DCB_int_01 2802.6138 (pause 0.35) 2802.9660 2776 DCB_int_01 2802.9660 um- 2803.6367 2777 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2804.3987 Transfer to the front desk? 2805.5232 2778 DCB_int_01 2806.2355 Yes ma'am just one moment. 2807.7049 2779 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2809.5928 The front desk? 2810.2542 2780 DCB_int_01 2810.3292 I don't know how to [/transfer./] 2811.3496 2781 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2810.8574 [Two three-] Uh, transfer, 2812.1507 2782 DCB_int_01 2812.4221 Uh-huh. 2812.7795 2783 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2813.2983 Two three zero one. 2814.3428 2784 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2814.3428 (pause 4.67) 2819.0167 2785 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2819.0167 Transfer. 2819.4649 2786 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2819.4649 (pause 4.58) 2824.0430 2787 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2824.0430 Transfer? 2824.4072 2788 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2824.4072 (pause 0.98) 2825.3874 2789 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2825.3874 There you go. 2825.7115 2790 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2825.7115 (pause 1.52) 2827.2363 2791 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2827.2363 2827.8202 2792 DCB_int_01 2829.1130 See? 2829.3571 2793 DCB_int_01 2829.3571 (pause 0.14) 2829.4972 2794 DCB_int_01 2829.4972 That's why you the- 2830.3279 2795 DCB_int_01 2830.3279 (pause 1.22) 2831.5501 2796 DCB_int_01 2831.5501 you the little person [cause I don't] know how to do [that.] 2833.3208 2797 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2832.4663 [See.] 2832.7224 2798 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2832.7224 (pause 0.43) 2833.1506 2799 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2833.1506 [/There] you go./ 2833.5348 2800 DCB_int_01 2834.0831 Alright um- 2835.1084 2801 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2835.1876 And so yeah, so then my- it just kept 2836.8163 2802 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2836.8163 (pause 0.24) 2837.0564 2803 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2837.0564 evolving and /volving./ 2838.0889 2804 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2838.0889 (pause 0.34) 2838.4249 2805 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2838.4249 And then um, 2839.6615 2806 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2839.6615 (pause 0.64) 2840.2977 2807 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2840.2977 so then they wanted 2841.0590 2808 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2841.0590 (pause 0.24) 2841.3021 2809 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2841.3021 I had the choice of s- 2842.1328 2810 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2842.1328 (pause 0.28) 2842.4147 2811 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2842.4147 of staying 2843.1920 2812 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2843.1920 (pause 0.55) 2843.7392 2813 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2843.7392 you know 2843.9951 2814 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2843.9951 (pause 0.18) 2844.1754 2815 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2844.1754 as the 2844.8957 2816 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2844.8957 (pause 0.15) 2845.0478 2817 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2845.0478 assistant to 2846.1603 2818 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2846.1603 (pause 0.90) 2847.0646 2819 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2847.0646 the CEO 2847.8809 2820 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2847.8809 (pause 0.37) 2848.2491 2821 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2848.2491 executive director or 2849.5105 2822 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2849.5105 (pause 0.30) 2849.8058 2823 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2849.8058 moving to 2850.4805 2824 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2850.4805 (pause 0.58) 2851.0622 2825 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2851.0622 full time event planning and that's what I wanna do so I- I 2854.2196 2826 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2854.2196 (pause 0.40) 2854.6198 2827 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2854.6198 manage and coordinated all the 2856.2998 2828 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2856.2998 (pause 0.16) 2856.4605 2829 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2856.4605 conferences, meetings, events, 2859.0297 2830 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2859.0297 (pause 0.18) 2859.2056 2831 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2859.2056 and it was cool because I got to travel. 2860.9584 2832 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2860.9584 (pause 0.74) 2861.6987 2833 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2861.6987 And I'm just traveling, 2863.2434 2834 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2863.2434 (pause 1.71) 2864.9560 2835 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2864.9560 s- 2865.2641 2836 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2865.2641 (pause 0.19) 2865.4562 2837 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2865.4562 about eight times a year. 2866.4335 2838 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2866.4335 (pause 0.66) 2867.0930 2839 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2867.0930 And um- cause we were a national organization so we'd ha- so every January I was in San Diego 2872.1911 2840 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2872.1911 (pause 0.12) 2872.3151 2841 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2872.3151 for a conference and a board meeting. 2873.9125 2842 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2873.9125 (pause 0.31) 2874.2240 2843 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2874.2240 You know um, 2875.1284 2844 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2875.1284 (pause 0.17) 2875.3005 2845 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2875.3005 I got to go to Hawaii 2876.3370 2846 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2876.3370 (pause 0.40) 2876.7409 2847 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2876.7409 because of another conference with this job and then I represented 2879.8024 2848 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2879.8024 (pause 0.35) 2880.1545 2849 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2880.1545 our organization 2881.1590 2850 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2881.1590 (pause 0.12) 2881.2790 2851 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2881.2790 at 2881.4871 2852 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2881.4871 (pause 0.56) 2882.0472 2853 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2882.0472 other 2882.5194 2854 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2882.5194 (pause 0.57) 2883.0876 2855 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2883.0876 um, 2883.5303 2856 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2883.5303 (pause 0.71) 2884.2402 2857 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2884.2402 domestic violence and 2885.8609 2858 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2885.8609 (pause 0.11) 2885.9690 2859 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2885.9690 child abuse organizations so 2887.9379 2860 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2887.9379 (pause 0.24) 2888.1777 2861 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2888.1777 it was a- it- 2888.6260 2862 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2888.6260 (pause 0.08) 2888.7031 2863 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2888.7031 it was really fun. 2889.5664 2864 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2889.5664 (pause 0.68) 2890.2427 2865 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2890.2427 It was fun. 2890.7589 2866 DCB_int_01 2891.0751 So 2891.5153 2867 DCB_int_01 2891.5153 (pause 0.12) 2891.6393 2868 DCB_int_01 2891.6393 before we come to how you- 2893.0000 2869 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2893.3639 Got [here?] 2893.7881 2870 DCB_int_01 2893.5960 [here-] 2894.0282 2871 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2894.1122 Mm-hm. 2894.4324 2872 DCB_int_01 2895.4329 It's interesting that you talk about travel because like I said one of the things is looking at like culture and life in DC. 2901.3545 2873 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2901.5394 Mm-hm. 2901.7981 2874 DCB_int_01 2901.9756 And I think when you go away, 2903.5476 2875 DCB_int_01 2903.5476 (pause 0.23) 2903.7764 2876 DCB_int_01 2903.7764 you're able to kind of realize 2905.2850 2877 DCB_int_01 2905.2850 (pause 0.41) 2905.6972 2878 DCB_int_01 2905.6972 what's unique, 2906.6546 2879 DCB_int_01 2906.6546 (pause 0.13) 2906.7816 2880 DCB_int_01 2906.7816 what do you love about the city, what do you hate about the city. 2909.0229 2881 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2909.1547 [Mm-hm.] 2909.7070 2882 DCB_int_01 2909.3348 [So tell] me how do you view 2911.5158 2883 DCB_int_01 2912.4400 DC? 2913.0493 2884 DCB_int_01 2913.0493 (pause 0.40) 2913.4485 2885 DCB_int_01 2913.4485 Do you view it as, I love this city I wanna stay here forever and ever, 2917.4806 2886 DCB_int_01 2917.4806 (pause 0.55) 2918.0263 2887 DCB_int_01 2918.0263 I wish this would change, or 2919.8992 2888 DCB_int_01 2919.8992 (pause 0.32) 2920.2233 2889 DCB_int_01 2920.2233 you know, this is great this is not so great, 2921.8241 2890 DCB_int_01 2921.8241 (pause 0.16) 2921.9799 2891 DCB_int_01 2921.9799 what are your 2922.4252 2892 DCB_int_01 2922.4252 (pause 0.18) 2922.6082 2893 DCB_int_01 2922.6082 feelings, opinions, 2924.0249 2894 DCB_int_01 2924.0249 (pause 0.31) 2924.3371 2895 DCB_int_01 2924.3371 what gets your goat 2925.3934 2896 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2925.6816 [] 2926.4660 2897 DCB_int_01 2926.1138 [about] this city? 2927.0062 2898 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2927.2704 I'm not in love with the city. 2928.8870 2899 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2928.8870 (pause 0.10) 2928.9870 2900 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2928.9870 I'm not 2929.6153 2901 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2929.6153 (pause 0.24) 2929.8594 2902 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2929.8594 like, I'm gonna stay here the rest of my life, I'm not- 2931.8841 2903 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2931.8841 (pause 0.78) 2932.6646 2904 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2932.6646 I'm not- 2933.1259 2905 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2933.1259 (pause 0.64) 2933.7689 2906 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2933.7689 don't have that opinion either. 2935.0262 2907 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2935.0262 (pause 0.47) 2935.4937 2908 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2935.4937 Um, 2936.0337 2909 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2936.0337 (pause 0.52) 2936.5542 2910 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2936.5542 before the twins were born- 2937.8788 2911 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2937.8788 (pause 0.26) 2938.1428 2912 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2938.1428 and I was thirty eight when the twins were born and now they're thirteen so 2941.5559 2913 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2941.5559 (pause 0.58) 2942.1404 2914 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2942.1404 a lot of what 2943.1365 2915 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2943.1365 (pause 1.11) 2944.2494 2916 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2944.2494 I may have want- and- and I'm not with their father anymore 2947.1387 2917 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2947.1387 (pause 0.26) 2947.3988 2918 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2947.3988 and I wanna make sure they stay- 2948.6241 2919 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2948.6241 (pause 0.34) 2948.9633 2920 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2948.9633 we stay somewhere where they 2950.2039 2921 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2950.2039 (pause 0.09) 2950.2959 2922 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2950.2959 have that exposure 2951.3564 2923 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2951.3564 (pause 0.47) 2951.8286 2924 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2951.8286 um, to their father. 2952.8033 2925 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2952.8033 (pause 1.05) 2953.8573 2926 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2953.8573 Um, my retirement city was New Orleans. 2956.1015 2927 DCB_int_01 2956.5065 Mm. [/Okay./] 2957.1145 2928 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2956.8187 [That's where I was] gonna be. 2958.1393 2929 DCB_int_01 2957.2269 [/? that's-/] 2957.6111 2930 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2958.5795 That's where I was gonna be I was gonna be in- 2960.0599 2931 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2960.0599 (pause 0.11) 2960.1720 2932 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2960.1720 in New Orleans 2960.8963 2933 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2960.8963 (pause 0.37) 2961.2685 2934 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2961.2685 um, 2961.7725 2935 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2961.7725 (pause 0.24) 2962.0168 2936 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2962.0168 and 2962.4330 2937 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2962.4330 (pause 0.23) 2962.6651 2938 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2962.6651 this was like twenty years ago I had made that decision [so it had] nothing to do with Katrina and the levees and nothing like that I was in love with 2969.2079 2939 DCB_int_01 2965.1741 [Mm.] 2965.5381 2940 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2969.6961 the Garden District of New Orleans and that's where I was gonna retire. 2973.1215 2941 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2973.1215 (pause 2.19) 2975.3105 2942 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2975.3105 Then 2976.2838 2943 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2976.2838 (pause 0.30) 2976.5870 2944 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2976.5870 I 2977.1632 2945 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2977.1632 (pause 0.17) 2977.3313 2946 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2977.3313 ended up 2978.1557 2947 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2978.1557 (pause 0.21) 2978.3678 2948 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2978.3678 in 2979.1762 2949 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2979.1762 (pause 0.20) 2979.3803 2950 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2979.3803 Tucson 2979.9523 2951 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2979.9523 (pause 0.23) 2980.1844 2952 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2980.1844 for 2980.6646 2953 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2980.6646 (pause 0.44) 2981.1048 2954 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2981.1048 work [a couple] of times /and was like,/ 2982.7656 2955 DCB_int_01 2981.6131 [Mm-hm.] 2981.9252 2956 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2983.1097 mm-mm. 2983.5498 2957 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2983.5498 (pause 0.62) 2984.1742 2958 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2984.1742 I'm retiring in Tucson. 2985.8629 2959 DCB_int_01 2985.8629 2986.0549 2960 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2986.0750 This is where I'm going. 2987.2836 2961 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2987.2836 (pause 0.35) 2987.6317 2962 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2987.6317 No allergies, 2989.1842 2963 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2989.1842 (pause 0.12) 2989.3042 2964 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2989.3042 I only had to deal with monsoon season three weeks out of the year, 2992.8539 2965 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2992.8539 (pause 0.31) 2993.1620 2966 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2993.1620 I got mountains, I got horses cause I love horseback riding, 2997.3078 2967 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2997.3078 (pause 0.32) 2997.6317 2968 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2997.6317 I got all this going on, 2998.8563 2969 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2998.8563 (pause 0.14) 2998.9964 2970 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 2998.9964 I'm going to Tucson. 3000.0448 2971 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3000.0448 (pause 0.66) 3000.7092 2972 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3000.7092 /I-/ well. 3001.8217 2973 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3001.8217 (pause 0.34) 3002.1578 2974 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3002.1578 I don't know where I'm gonna end up. 3003.4904 2975 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3003.4904 (pause 0.29) 3003.7783 2976 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3003.7783 I don't know. 3004.4026 2977 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3004.4026 (pause 0.17) 3004.5707 2978 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3004.5707 Um, 3005.0320 2979 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3005.0320 (pause 0.57) 3005.6032 2980 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3005.6032 DC, I'll be happy to move away from this area 3008.8767 2981 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3008.8767 (pause 0.94) 3009.8129 2982 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3009.8129 at some point. 3010.6302 2983 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3010.6302 (pause 0.22) 3010.8493 2984 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3010.8493 Even if it is after- the twins are thirteen, 3013.4105 2985 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3013.4105 (pause 0.40) 3013.8107 2986 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3013.8107 after they're in college or whatever they're gonna do with their lives. 3016.2756 2987 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3016.2756 (pause 0.61) 3016.8879 2988 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3016.8879 Um, 3017.3961 2989 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3017.3961 (pause 0.66) 3018.0564 2990 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3018.0564 I've seen a lot of changes in this city from the sev- 3021.0897 2991 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3021.0897 (pause 0.13) 3021.2178 2992 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3021.2178 from the sixties. 3021.9858 2993 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3021.9858 (pause 0.24) 3022.2261 2994 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3022.2261 I mean I was here when the riots were going on. 3024.2032 2995 DCB_int_01 3024.2110 [Right.] 3024.4712 2996 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3024.3071 [I] remember 3025.2915 2997 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3026.1758 when the riots were going on I was 3028.1808 2998 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3028.1808 (pause 0.11) 3028.2886 2999 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3028.2886 three. 3028.6087 3000 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3028.6087 (pause 0.65) 3029.2610 3001 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3029.2610 And I remember the fires 3031.0584 3002 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3031.0584 (pause 0.27) 3031.3300 3003 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3031.3300 and 3031.8022 3004 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3031.8022 (pause 0.10) 3031.9022 3005 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3031.9022 at that time we hadn't moved to Deanwood the house hadn't been built yet, it was being built. 3036.1398 3006 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3036.1398 (pause 0.57) 3036.7122 3007 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3036.7122 And we lived at Fourteenth and Chapin Northwest. 3040.0097 3008 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3040.0097 (pause 0.15) 3040.1576 3009 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3040.1576 [So there] was a Safeway there on Fourteenth Street and some other businesses. 3044.4155 3010 DCB_int_01 3040.1616 [Mm-hm.] 3040.6469 3011 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3044.8516 I remember my father 3046.3763 3012 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3046.3763 (pause 0.10) 3046.4804 3013 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3046.4804 walking us down Four- 3047.5008 3014 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3047.5008 (pause 0.12) 3047.6169 3015 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3047.6169 walking me down- 3048.4413 3016 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3048.4413 (pause 0.42) 3048.8612 3017 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3048.8612 sorry. 3049.2666 3018 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3049.2666 (pause 0.44) 3049.7016 3019 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3049.7016 Um, Chapin Street to Fourteen, 3051.4864 3020 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3051.4864 (pause 0.37) 3051.8586 3021 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3051.8586 and then two blocks over there was a Safeway. 3053.7955 3022 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3053.7955 (pause 0.54) 3054.3316 3023 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3054.3316 And 3054.8770 3024 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3054.8770 (pause 0.24) 3055.1160 3025 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3055.1160 I remember him putting me on his shoulders and we watched that Safeway burn down. 3058.6174 3026 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3058.6174 (pause 1.01) 3059.6298 3027 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3059.6298 And my mother was livid. 3060.6623 3028 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3060.6623 (pause 0.12) 3060.7864 3029 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3060.7864 Because you know it was dangerous, and he had her child out there. 3064.3239 3030 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3064.3239 (pause 0.26) 3064.5800 3031 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3064.5800 So I remember the riots, I remember you know 3067.7652 3032 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3067.7652 (pause 0.44) 3068.2014 3033 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3068.2014 the fires, the looting, I remember that. 3070.8266 3034 DCB_int_01 3071.3669 Even as a young [child?] 3072.5552 3035 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3072.2591 [I remember] that cause I remember seeing it, it was so 3075.3885 3036 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3075.4966 overwhelming, now I don't remem- 3076.9052 3037 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3076.9052 (pause 0.27) 3077.1732 3038 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3077.1732 there are things from me being four and five I don't remember. 3079.9705 3039 DCB_int_01 3080.4225 [But that's vivid.] 3081.3665 3040 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3080.4745 [Um, but there] are f- some things from- 3083.1077 3041 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3083.7080 from living at that apartment when I was young I do remember. 3086.8093 3042 DCB_int_01 3086.8612 [Mm-hm.] 3087.3199 3043 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3086.9012 [There are some] things I did I do remember. 3088.7701 3044 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3089.1263 Um, but that's one of the things I definitely remember those. 3091.7595 3045 DCB_int_01 3092.3275 And how do you feel like- 3094.0163 3046 DCB_int_01 3094.0163 (pause 0.22) 3094.2324 3047 DCB_int_01 3094.2324 thinking about- So this is- now we're 3096.2133 3048 DCB_int_01 3096.2133 (pause 0.10) 3096.3093 3049 DCB_int_01 3096.3093 thirty years later, 3097.2658 3050 DCB_int_01 3097.2658 (pause 0.34) 3097.6018 3051 DCB_int_01 3097.6018 thirty five years later, 3098.7405 3052 DCB_int_01 3098.7405 (pause 0.76) 3099.5027 3053 DCB_int_01 3099.5027 [and l-] 3100.1230 3054 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3099.5067 [Oh we're longer] than that. 3100.8520 3055 DCB_int_01 3101.2312 looking- 3101.5792 3056 DCB_int_01 3101.5792 (pause 0.82) 3102.4038 3057 DCB_int_01 3102.4038 [Oh well you were four.] 3103.3198 3058 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3102.4278 [We're almost fifty. ] 3106.0975 3059 DCB_int_01 3103.5443 [Yeah okay.] 3104.0886 3060 DCB_int_01 3104.0886 (pause 0.12) 3104.2126 3061 DCB_int_01 3104.2126 [My bad.] 3104.6768 3062 DCB_int_01 3104.6768 (pause 0.11) 3104.7849 3063 DCB_int_01 3104.7849 [My math was off. I'm sorry.] 3106.1935 3064 DCB_int_01 3106.6815 Uh, okay. 3107.5859 3065 DCB_int_01 3107.5859 (pause 0.10) 3107.6860 3066 DCB_int_01 3107.6860 So forty f- [seven-ish years later.] 3110.1951 3067 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3108.6424 [Mm-hm, f- uh-huh.] 3110.0791 3068 DCB_int_01 3110.7914 Um, 3111.3477 3069 DCB_int_01 3111.3477 (pause 0.68) 3112.0319 3070 DCB_int_01 3112.0319 you know 3112.4441 3071 DCB_int_01 3112.4441 (pause 0.43) 3112.8723 3072 DCB_int_01 3112.8723 it used to be chocolate city. 3114.2529 3073 DCB_int_01 3114.2529 (pause 0.27) 3114.5209 3074 DCB_int_01 3114.5209 Now we see a very- 3115.8942 3075 DCB_int_01 3115.8942 (pause 0.66) 3116.5578 3076 DCB_int_01 3116.5578 Kind of how do you see the city 3118.0705 3077 DCB_int_01 3118.0705 (pause 0.65) 3118.7186 3078 DCB_int_01 3118.7186 physically changing 3119.9986 3079 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3119.9552 [Mm-hm.] 3120.5394 3080 DCB_int_01 3120.0952 [demographically] changing? 3121.8200 3081 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3121.8921 Mm-hm. 3122.3001 3082 DCB_int_01 3122.2842 How do you feel like that's affecting the city especially like, 3124.4733 3083 DCB_int_01 3124.7571 the same- your childhood home, 3126.4025 3084 DCB_int_01 3126.4025 (pause 0.27) 3126.6700 3085 DCB_int_01 3126.6700 how many people can say 3127.8314 3086 DCB_int_01 3127.8314 (pause 0.46) 3128.2948 3087 DCB_int_01 3128.2948 their family still owns their childhood [homes?] 3130.5297 3088 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3130.4456 [Right] because it's- it- 3132.0824 3089 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3134.1811 it's nothing- 3135.1598 3090 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3135.1598 (pause 0.16) 3135.3177 3091 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3135.3177 DC is nothing 3136.5622 3092 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3136.5622 (pause 0.41) 3136.9744 3093 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3136.9744 like it was when I was a child. 3138.8671 3094 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3138.8671 (pause 0.18) 3139.0471 3095 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3139.0471 It's nothing, the buildings are all different, 3141.3002 3096 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3141.3002 (pause 0.45) 3141.7524 3097 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3141.7524 um, things you know 3143.2331 3098 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3143.2331 (pause 0.22) 3143.4489 3099 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3143.4489 streets are different, they look different, people who live here are different. 3146.9626 3100 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3146.9626 (pause 0.38) 3147.3427 3101 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3147.3427 It's hard to find someone who is originally from DC. 3150.7882 3102 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3150.7882 (pause 0.42) 3151.2084 3103 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3151.2084 It's- DC is now full of transplants 3153.0533 3104 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3153.0533 (pause 0.25) 3153.3051 3105 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3153.3051 who can't park. 3154.2651 3106 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3154.2651 (pause 0.38) 3154.6417 3107 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3154.6417 They don't know how to parallel park. 3155.6897 3108 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3155.6897 (pause 0.27) 3155.9583 3109 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3155.9583 because they're coming from places where /you/ just pulled in parking. 3158.3675 3110 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3158.3675 (pause 0.29) 3158.6594 3111 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3158.6594 So 3158.9460 3112 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3158.9460 (pause 0.14) 3159.0876 3113 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3159.0876 you know [back in the day], 3160.6323 3114 DCB_int_01 3159.5318 [I'm one of those.] 3160.3361 3115 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3161.2606 people's bumpers were not torn up the w- I hate come park- 3164.2778 3116 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3164.2778 (pause 0.12) 3164.3979 3117 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3164.3979 /bringing/ 3164.8219 3118 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3164.8219 (pause 0.11) 3164.9341 3119 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3164.9341 my vehicle into the city because 3166.5389 3120 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3166.5389 (pause 0.14) 3166.6827 3121 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3166.6827 people don't know how to park, they feel like parallel parking 3169.5560 3122 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3169.5560 (pause 0.44) 3169.9922 3123 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3169.9922 you- you know, 3170.8446 3124 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3170.8446 (pause 0.41) 3171.2568 3125 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3171.2568 when you bump somebody's car, 3172.5454 3126 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3172.5454 (pause 0.09) 3172.6375 3127 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3172.6375 that's when you stop 3173.3495 3128 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3173.3495 (pause 0.13) 3173.4776 3129 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3173.4776 and pull forward 3174.1539 3130 DCB_int_01 3174.6071 Mm. 3174.7302 3131 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3174.7892 when you're parking and it's like- 3176.3779 3132 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3176.3779 (pause 0.40) 3176.7761 3133 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3176.7761 [] 3177.3695 3134 DCB_int_01 3176.9792 [Be like, no] that's not- 3177.9379 3135 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3177.9437 [Yeah.] 3178.4637 3136 DCB_int_01 3178.1438 [Mm-mm.] 3178.5118 3137 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3178.7198 So um, but it's full of transplants it's full of- like you said it was chocolate city, it was you know- 3183.4918 3138 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3183.4918 (pause 0.75) 3184.2381 3139 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3184.2381 you know we were in the city, 3185.7728 3140 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3185.7728 (pause 0.64) 3186.4111 3141 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3186.4111 and everyone else was on the suburbs. Now it's 3188.3840 3142 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3188.3840 (pause 0.09) 3188.4760 3143 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3188.4760 we've moved out of the city because 3190.3129 3144 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3190.3129 (pause 0.43) 3190.7408 3145 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3190.7408 we can't afford to live here anymore. 3192.5195 3146 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3192.5195 (pause 1.19) 3193.7102 3147 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3193.7102 You know 3193.9916 3148 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3193.9916 (pause 0.38) 3194.3745 3149 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3194.3745 homes 3194.9892 3150 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3194.9892 (pause 0.64) 3195.6269 3151 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3195.6269 in bad neighborhoods 3196.9955 3152 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3196.9955 (pause 0.12) 3197.1115 3153 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3197.1115 cost a million dollars. 3198.4075 3154 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3198.4075 (pause 0.32) 3198.7243 3155 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3198.7243 That is crazy. 3199.8888 3156 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3199.8888 (pause 0.97) 3200.8570 3157 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3200.8570 That is crazy, I remember um, 3202.5938 3158 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3202.5938 (pause 0.85) 3203.4462 3159 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3203.4462 maybe about fifteen years ago 3205.1550 3160 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3205.1550 (pause 0.53) 3205.6873 3161 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3205.6873 my aunt lived in Sh- 3206.6077 3162 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3206.6077 (pause 0.08) 3206.6915 3163 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3206.6915 the Shaw neighborhood. 3207.5879 3164 DCB_int_01 3207.6920 Mm-hm. 3208.1093 3165 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3208.2722 And there were these three houses on R Street 3212.3461 3166 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3212.3461 (pause 0.46) 3212.8063 3167 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3212.8063 between 3213.4784 3168 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3213.4784 (pause 0.13) 3213.6064 3169 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3213.6064 like Rhode Island and R cause R kind of is like diagonal. 3216.7519 3170 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3216.7519 (pause 0.61) 3217.3642 3171 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3217.3642 And 3217.7042 3172 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3217.7042 (pause 0.27) 3217.9763 3173 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3217.9763 there were these three houses on the left hand side, 3220.2414 3174 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3220.2414 (pause 0.38) 3220.6216 3175 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3220.6216 and I looked up those houses and they were like a million point two. 3223.9349 3176 DCB_int_01 3225.2915 Wow. 3225.6476 3177 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3226.2439 And Rhode Island and R street 3227.8086 3178 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3227.8086 (pause 0.59) 3228.4007 3179 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3228.4007 ten years ago, ten, fifteen years ago. 3230.2535 3180 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3230.2535 (pause 0.14) 3230.3976 3181 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3230.3976 And it's- that's just crazy. 3231.5749 3182 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3231.5749 (pause 0.41) 3231.9823 3183 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3231.9823 And um- 3232.9610 3184 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3232.9610 (pause 0.74) 3233.7029 3185 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3233.7029 I mean I like 3234.8535 3186 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3234.8535 (pause 0.15) 3234.9995 3187 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3234.9995 the- 3235.5555 3188 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3235.5555 (pause 0.26) 3235.8199 3189 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3235.8199 the- 3236.0280 3190 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3236.0280 (pause 0.43) 3236.4602 3191 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3236.4602 the- 3237.0495 3192 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3237.0495 (pause 0.18) 3237.2245 3193 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3237.2245 you know the building and development that's being done with 3239.7336 3194 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3239.7336 (pause 0.14) 3239.8736 3195 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3239.8736 like the whole little 3240.9581 3196 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3240.9581 (pause 0.49) 3241.4461 3197 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3241.4461 condos and- and apartments and they're very pretty and- 3245.3359 3198 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3245.3359 (pause 0.35) 3245.6841 3199 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3245.6841 and they look really nice, 3246.9086 3200 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3246.9086 (pause 0.63) 3247.5367 3201 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3247.5367 but who can afford to live in 'em? 3248.9893 3202 DCB_int_01 3249.4295 Mm-hm. 3249.8495 3203 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3250.4140 You know, an- and I know people who have been forced out of their homes because now 3254.7558 3204 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3254.7558 (pause 0.35) 3255.1039 3205 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3255.1039 you know it's been re- their neighborhood has been rezoned and taxes have gone up 3259.6380 3206 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3259.6380 (pause 0.09) 3259.7298 3207 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3259.7298 and they just cannot afford to live in the city anymore. 3262.9553 3208 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3262.9553 (pause 0.27) 3263.2274 3209 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3263.2274 And that's a shame. 3263.9958 3210 DCB_int_01 3264.4838 [Mm.] 3264.6719 3211 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3264.6198 Because most of the people who are being moved out are 3266.4887 3212 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3266.9609 elderly people. 3267.8182 3213 DCB_int_01 3268.0894 Mm-hm. 3268.4961 3214 DCB_int_01 3268.4961 (pause 0.63) 3269.1218 3215 DCB_int_01 3269.1218 And that's why when you said your dad- 3270.5418 3216 DCB_int_01 3270.5418 (pause 0.21) 3270.7506 3217 DCB_int_01 3270.7506 that 3270.9867 3218 DCB_int_01 3270.9867 (pause 0.30) 3271.2908 3219 DCB_int_01 3271.2908 you know 3271.6268 3220 DCB_int_01 3271.6268 (pause 0.30) 3271.9231 3221 DCB_int_01 3271.9231 you guys still have your family home 3273.3197 3222 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3273.4596 Right. 3273.7717 3223 DCB_int_01 3273.8717 shocked me, I mean I love that. 3275.5878 3224 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3275.7966 [Right well], 3276.4289 3225 DCB_int_01 3275.8767 [But it's-] 3276.3993 3226 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3276.7771 we- it was built in the sixties, 3278.5819 3227 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3278.5819 (pause 1.03) 3279.6168 3228 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3279.6168 and they built it and it's been paid off. I mean 3281.8899 3229 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3281.8899 (pause 0.37) 3282.2593 3230 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3282.2593 that was one thing my father was about, 3284.3753 3231 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3284.3753 (pause 0.20) 3284.5763 3232 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3284.5763 money and 3285.6648 3233 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3285.6648 (pause 0.09) 3285.7529 3234 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3285.7529 having more than what he came here with, my father always worked two jobs even when he didn't have to. 3291.1072 3235 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3291.1072 (pause 0.56) 3291.6632 3236 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3291.6632 And so 3292.6277 3237 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3292.6277 (pause 0.22) 3292.8478 3238 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3292.8478 the house was paid o- they got a thirty year mortgage and that house was paid off in thirty years, there was no second mortgage on it there was nothing. 3299.5588 3239 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3299.5588 (pause 0.22) 3299.7826 3240 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3299.7826 He was determined 3300.5990 3241 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3300.5990 (pause 0.40) 3300.9952 3242 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3300.9952 that 3301.2953 3243 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3301.2953 (pause 0.41) 3301.7075 3244 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3301.7075 he paid his bills and paid 'em on time. 3303.4603 3245 DCB_int_01 3303.8805 Mm-hm. 3304.3608 3246 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3304.3608 So, 3304.8181 3247 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3305.1609 you know for the past twenty 3308.2790 3248 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3308.2790 (pause 1.21) 3309.4869 3249 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3309.4869 three years 3310.5269 3250 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3310.5269 (pause 0.62) 3311.1514 3251 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3311.1514 that house has been payed for 3312.3079 3252 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3312.3079 (pause 0.82) 3313.1243 3253 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3313.1243 and it's his. 3313.8216 3254 DCB_int_01 3314.7651 [Mm-hm.] 3315.1212 3255 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3315.0052 [Now] my parents are separated 3316.0777 3256 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3316.4336 Um, [they been separated] for over twenty years but 3318.5186 3257 DCB_int_01 3316.6137 [Oh okay.] 3317.0379 3258 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3319.0428 they'll never get divorced. 3320.1873 3259 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3320.1873 (pause 0.66) 3320.8476 3260 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3320.8476 And 3321.6240 3261 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3321.6240 (pause 0.44) 3322.0680 3262 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3322.0680 um, 3322.5293 3263 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3322.5293 (pause 0.15) 3322.6802 3264 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3322.6802 you know, my mother 3323.4936 3265 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3323.4936 (pause 0.11) 3323.6047 3266 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3323.6047 moved out 3324.1569 3267 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3324.1569 (pause 0.21) 3324.3690 3268 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3324.3690 and bought a condo not far from here 3325.8657 3269 DCB_int_01 3326.0610 Mm. 3326.2971 3270 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3326.4179 and um- 3327.2845 3271 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3327.2845 (pause 0.22) 3327.5024 3272 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3327.5024 But I mean we still all go to the house, my mother- you know we're- 3330.0595 3273 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3330.0595 (pause 0.08) 3330.1352 3274 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3330.1352 we're all welcome there. 3331.2942 3275 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3331.2942 (pause 0.41) 3331.7069 3276 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3331.7069 But 3332.0310 3277 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3332.0310 (pause 0.10) 3332.1271 3278 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3332.1271 m- 3332.2631 3279 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3332.2631 (pause 0.12) 3332.3792 3280 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3332.3792 that house is still in my parents' name. 3333.7529 3281 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3333.7529 (pause 1.36) 3335.1175 3282 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3335.1175 And it's payed for free and clear. 3336.7303 3283 DCB_int_01 3338.1908 And [that's just] amazing [to me like-] 3339.8375 3284 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3338.3629 [/But-/] 3338.5909 3285 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3338.5909 (pause 0.68) 3339.2713 3286 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3339.2713 [Uh-huh. ] 3341.0281 3287 DCB_int_01 3340.0277 [and] 3340.2558 3288 DCB_int_01 3340.2558 (pause 0.09) 3340.3478 3289 DCB_int_01 3340.3478 [you don't hear-] I mean like that's a really- 3342.1606 3290 DCB_int_01 3342.2404 that's a very unique 3343.5330 3291 DCB_int_01 3343.5330 (pause 0.39) 3343.9212 3292 DCB_int_01 3343.9212 kind of story because you do hear 3346.1302 3293 DCB_int_01 3346.1302 (pause 0.45) 3346.5824 3294 DCB_int_01 3346.5824 you know, I had to sell my house, or I had to move away, for whatever reason but 3350.4161 3295 DCB_int_01 3350.4161 (pause 0.24) 3350.6522 3296 DCB_int_01 3350.6522 gentrification is a real thing like it- it's- it's- it's knocking on people's doors literally and figuratively like 3356.7468 3297 DCB_int_01 3356.7468 (pause 0.16) 3356.9081 3298 DCB_int_01 3356.9081 now. 3357.3763 3299 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3357.4363 Mm-hm. 3357.9406 3300 DCB_int_01 3358.0526 As we speak. 3358.8730 3301 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3358.8330 [Mm-hm.] 3359.5930 3302 DCB_int_01 3359.1051 [And so] to hear that- and I know 3361.2181 3303 DCB_int_01 3361.8984 you know 3362.2877 3304 DCB_int_01 3362.2877 (pause 0.41) 3362.7010 3305 DCB_int_01 3362.7010 um, 3363.2493 3306 DCB_int_01 3363.2493 (pause 0.13) 3363.3814 3307 DCB_int_01 3363.3814 as more and more time it's gonna come 3364.9061 3308 DCB_int_01 3364.9061 (pause 0.34) 3365.2422 3309 DCB_int_01 3365.2422 farther and farther across the river you know it was slow to- 3367.6729 3310 DCB_int_01 3367.6729 (pause 0.19) 3367.8632 3311 DCB_int_01 3367.8632 to [really branch] and 3369.1398 3312 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3368.0393 [Mm-hm.] 3368.5435 3313 DCB_int_01 3369.2518 come 3369.5520 3314 DCB_int_01 3369.5520 (pause 0.40) 3369.9482 3315 DCB_int_01 3369.9482 cross that water [but now it's-] it's here. 3372.0651 3316 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3370.7725 [Right.] 3371.3379 3317 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3371.3379 (pause 0.70) 3372.0331 3318 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3372.0331 Right. 3372.2532 3319 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3372.6654 The only reason my aunt, the one that raised my mother, 3374.9422 3320 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3374.9422 (pause 0.72) 3375.6625 3321 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3375.6625 /?/ um, 3376.2159 3322 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3376.2159 (pause 0.18) 3376.3909 3323 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3376.3909 she died in two thousand seven. 3378.9801 3324 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3378.9801 (pause 1.70) 3380.6767 3325 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3380.6767 And she was eighty five then. 3381.8013 3326 DCB_int_01 3382.0092 [Mm-hm.] 3382.2814 3327 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3382.0252 [The] only reason she was able to still stay in the city 3385.6709 3328 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3386.0709 was because uh, we're members of 3387.8357 3329 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3387.8357 (pause 0.42) 3388.2599 3330 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3388.2599 Asbury United Methodist Church. 3389.7726 3331 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3389.7726 (pause 0.07) 3389.8446 3332 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3389.8446 So it's a big church and there's a lot of money in that church. 3392.7416 3333 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3392.7416 (pause 0.37) 3393.1100 3334 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3393.1100 And they own 3394.1825 3335 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3394.1825 (pause 0.54) 3394.7225 3336 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3394.7225 Asbury Dwellings which is on Rhode Island 3397.0478 3337 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3397.0478 (pause 0.38) 3397.4278 3338 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3397.4278 Avenue near Seventh Street, Rhode Island and Seventh Street. 3399.9848 3339 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3399.9848 (pause 0.40) 3400.3890 3340 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3400.3890 And so she was able 3402.1058 3341 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3402.1058 (pause 0.10) 3402.2018 3342 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3402.2018 you know 3402.5045 3343 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3402.5045 (pause 0.58) 3403.0820 3344 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3403.0820 to move into Asbury Dwellings 3405.0589 3345 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3405.0589 (pause 0.10) 3405.1550 3346 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3405.1550 and pay minimal rent there. 3406.8678 3347 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3406.8678 (pause 0.28) 3407.1479 3348 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3407.1479 Because she had been retired for so many years 3408.9927 3349 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3408.9927 (pause 0.27) 3409.2646 3350 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3409.2646 that was the only way she was able to stay [in the city.] 3411.2175 3351 DCB_int_01 3410.5412 [In the city.] 3411.1705 3352 DCB_int_01 3412.5702 Yeah. 3412.9141 3353 DCB_int_01 3412.9141 (pause 0.37) 3413.2865 3354 DCB_int_01 3413.2865 Wow. 3413.6226 3355 DCB_int_01 3413.6226 (pause 0.37) 3413.9946 3356 DCB_int_01 3413.9946 So 3414.5708 3357 DCB_int_01 3414.5708 (pause 0.43) 3414.9990 3358 DCB_int_01 3414.9990 how do you f- do- have you done- 3416.6657 3359 DCB_int_01 3416.6657 (pause 0.12) 3416.7879 3360 DCB_int_01 3416.7879 have you been a tourist in your city? 3418.3406 3361 DCB_int_01 3418.3406 (pause 0.29) 3418.6327 3362 DCB_int_01 3418.6327 You know a lot of people come from all over the world to do the monuments and the museums and- 3421.9500 3363 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3422.2021 [Mm-hm.] 3423.1386 3364 DCB_int_01 3422.3502 [and you're down the street], do you- 3423.6948 3365 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3423.9389 [Mm-mm.] 3424.4122 3366 DCB_int_01 3424.0110 [have you] done those things? 3425.5474 3367 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3425.5076 You know the last time I been in the Washington Monument I was in second grade, 3428.7609 3368 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3428.8530 I was eight years old. 3429.4812 3369 DCB_int_01 3430.0175 Why? 3430.2656 3370 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3430.8698 Um, I guess because I take it for granted, 3433.1068 3371 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3433.1068 (pause 0.17) 3433.2789 3372 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3433.2789 [because I've] grown up with it [and it's no] big deal. 3435.6149 3373 DCB_int_01 3433.3548 [Mm-hm.] 3433.6628 3374 DCB_int_01 3433.6628 (pause 1.04) 3434.7034 3375 DCB_int_01 3434.7034 [Mm-hm.] 3435.0634 3376 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3436.0360 When I was working at 3437.2083 3377 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3437.2083 (pause 0.12) 3437.3324 3378 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3437.3324 National Children's Alliance and I was the 3439.7855 3379 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3439.7855 (pause 0.10) 3439.8856 3380 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3439.8856 you know, the c- 3440.4458 3381 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3440.4458 (pause 0.17) 3440.6179 3382 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3440.6179 coordinator of the conference, their annual conference, and so there would be five hundred people from across the united states coming in. 3445.8881 3383 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3445.8881 (pause 0.47) 3446.3603 3384 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3446.3603 And they'd always call me about 3448.1363 3385 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3448.1363 (pause 0.24) 3448.3730 3386 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3448.3730 if the cherry blossoms are blooming, will they be in bloom when [the-] 3451.2570 3387 DCB_int_01 3450.9462 [Mm.] 3451.2583 3388 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3451.6145 when the- you know the conference is there, you know they asking me about those damn pandas, I'm like, I don't care about the damn [pandas.] 3458.0532 3389 DCB_int_01 3457.6889 [] 3459.0376 3390 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3458.3973 [And that's because I'm] here with it and I see it every day and I guess I take it for granted. 3462.1870 3391 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3462.4832 And every once in a while I'll stop 3464.0636 3392 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3464.0636 (pause 0.14) 3464.2077 3393 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3464.2077 and take- 3464.6439 3394 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3464.6439 (pause 0.14) 3464.7880 3395 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3464.7880 you know if I'm driving downtown for something 3466.7889 3396 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3466.7889 (pause 0.40) 3467.1891 3397 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3467.1891 um, and go that way especially at night cause DC is [beautiful at] night. The monuments and all the white stone, it's just beautiful at night. 3474.5202 3398 DCB_int_01 3470.3303 [Beautiful.] 3470.7436 3399 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3474.8762 And I'll stop and take a pause and 3476.6610 3400 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3476.6610 (pause 0.13) 3476.7890 3401 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3476.7890 you know. 3477.0732 3402 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3477.0732 (pause 0.37) 3477.4413 3403 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3477.4413 Um, I l- 3478.1697 3404 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3478.1697 (pause 0.10) 3478.2657 3405 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3478.2657 my kids love the FDR memorial. 3480.4707 3406 DCB_int_01 3480.4185 It's my favorite one. 3481.4069 3407 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3481.7031 Um, 3482.0192 3408 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3482.0192 (pause 0.10) 3482.1233 3409 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3482.1233 love it so we'll go down there- 3484.0482 3410 DCB_int_01 3483.3598 [I can sit at night] and sit in there [for hours.] 3485.5609 3411 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3484.8245 [And just walk] through it. 3486.5973 3412 DCB_int_01 3486.1211 [Yup.] 3486.3784 3413 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3486.7011 And um- 3487.5851 3414 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3487.5851 (pause 0.23) 3487.8177 3415 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3487.8177 and it gets me angry that they don't take care of it like they should. 3490.7870 3416 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3490.7870 (pause 0.48) 3491.2672 3417 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3491.2672 Um, 3491.8153 3418 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3491.8153 (pause 0.20) 3492.0153 3419 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3492.0153 you know FDR, 3492.7717 3420 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3492.7717 (pause 0.38) 3493.1519 3421 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3493.1519 he should not be you know- 3494.7286 3422 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3494.7286 (pause 0.16) 3494.8847 3423 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3494.8847 it's brass, he should not be all rusted up like that n- and- but- 3498.6224 3424 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3498.6224 (pause 0.69) 3499.3106 3425 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3499.3106 And then they don't have all the fountains going [all the time] and that just makes me angry when they could take care of it. 3504.2047 3426 DCB_int_01 3501.2314 [All the time.] 3502.0157 3427 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3504.7488 But um, 3505.5011 3428 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3505.5011 (pause 0.10) 3505.5971 3429 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3505.5971 well Teddy Roosevelt Island's the same way too, they [don't take care] of that one [either /over there./] 3509.3382 3430 DCB_int_01 3507.6301 [Mm-hm.] 3508.0061 3431 DCB_int_01 3508.0061 (pause 0.39) 3508.3944 3432 DCB_int_01 3508.3944 [Yeah no it's really] bad. 3509.6944 3433 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3509.6270 Yeah. 3509.9603 3434 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3510.5193 Um, 3510.9900 3435 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3510.9900 (pause 0.20) 3511.1944 3436 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3511.1944 but every once and a while I'll stop and I'll pause and I'll take a look you know I don't go into the Smithsonians, my kids do, 3516.3029 3437 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3516.3029 (pause 0.45) 3516.7512 3438 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3516.7512 but I did that when I was growing up 3518.5512 3439 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3518.5512 (pause 0.37) 3518.9167 3440 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3518.9167 and it's just like 3519.6436 3441 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3519.6436 (pause 0.53) 3520.1736 3442 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3520.1736 again, 3520.6190 3443 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3520.6190 (pause 0.09) 3520.7063 3444 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3520.7063 take it for granted because it's right there in my backyard and I 3523.0485 3445 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3523.0485 (pause 0.26) 3523.3110 3446 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3523.3110 could care less about it and I don't like crowds and 3525.5775 3447 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3525.5775 (pause 0.49) 3526.0722 3448 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3526.0722 mm-mm, I'm [sorry.] 3527.1815 3449 DCB_int_01 3526.8875 [Yeah.] 3527.1904 3450 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3527.2813 3528.4271 3451 DCB_int_01 3528.4120 My favorite time to go is like a random just afternoon 3531.0920 3452 DCB_int_01 3531.2590 [like] 3531.6022 3453 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3531.3700 [Mm-hm.] 3531.9909 3454 DCB_int_01 3532.0818 during the school- not during the summer but during like 3534.2500 3455 DCB_int_01 3534.2500 (pause 0.10) 3534.3509 3456 DCB_int_01 3534.3509 the school year [when kids are-] 3535.5977 3457 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3534.8557 [Right.] 3535.4816 3458 DCB_int_01 3535.9511 like in August or September. 3537.3167 3459 DCB_int_01 3537.3167 (pause 0.10) 3537.4126 3460 DCB_int_01 3537.4126 Like no school trip is in September so 3539.4822 3461 DCB_int_01 3539.4822 (pause 0.31) 3539.7901 3462 DCB_int_01 3539.7901 it's not gonna be a thousand kids running around. 3541.8042 3463 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3541.8295 Right. 3542.3140 3464 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3542.3140 (pause 0.10) 3542.4100 3465 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3542.4100 And [that's the only thing.] 3543.3034 3466 DCB_int_01 3542.5917 [You can do everything.] 3543.4717 3467 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3543.6493 I don't like crowds. 3544.5882 3468 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3544.5882 (pause 0.21) 3544.8002 3469 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3544.8002 I stay away from crowds. And so when it's tourist season and all those 3547.7431 3470 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3547.7431 (pause 0.12) 3547.8643 3471 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3547.8643 buses are down there and all those people are down there I stay away. 3550.7694 3472 DCB_int_01 3550.7795 Oh [mm-mm.] 3551.4156 3473 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3551.2137 [You know] I have- 3551.7163 3474 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3551.9305 I know certain places where I can park, I can park legally 3555.2345 3475 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3555.2345 (pause 0.42) 3555.6507 3476 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3555.6507 and 3556.3978 3477 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3556.3978 (pause 0.18) 3556.5822 3478 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3556.5822 the- 3556.7538 3479 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3556.7538 (pause 0.18) 3556.9305 3480 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3556.9305 near where I wanna go, 3558.3489 3481 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3558.3489 (pause 0.11) 3558.4549 3482 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3558.4549 and those /are where/ 3559.4191 3483 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3559.4191 (pause 0.22) 3559.6361 3484 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3559.6361 you know I'll do that so I don't have to deal with the crowds. 3562.2005 3485 DCB_int_01 3562.5867 So one thing you said before we started the interview, 3564.8785 3486 DCB_int_01 3564.8785 (pause 0.60) 3565.4741 3487 DCB_int_01 3565.4741 is about 3566.1141 3488 DCB_int_01 3566.1141 (pause 0.49) 3566.6048 3489 DCB_int_01 3566.6048 you knew /RD-NAME-1/ wasn't here and- and we were talk- you said the mannerisms. 3569.9895 3490 DCB_int_01 3569.9895 (pause 0.27) 3570.2621 3491 DCB_int_01 3570.2621 What about DC and DC people is unique? 3573.6569 3492 DCB_int_01 3573.6569 (pause 0.19) 3573.8487 3493 DCB_int_01 3573.8487 Like 3574.0254 3494 DCB_int_01 3574.0254 (pause 0.15) 3574.1769 3495 DCB_int_01 3574.1769 that you feel- 3575.0299 3496 DCB_int_01 3575.0299 (pause 0.51) 3575.5398 3497 DCB_int_01 3575.5398 (pause 3.56) 3579.0985 3498 DCB_int_01 3579.0985 (pause 0.13) 3579.2274 3499 DCB_int_01 3579.2274 what do you mean by that? 3580.0607 3500 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3580.6610 And you know I don't 3581.7036 3501 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3581.7036 (pause 0.39) 3582.0895 3502 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3582.0895 [even- I can't put my finger] on it, I think 3584.3509 3503 DCB_int_01 3582.1147 [You can't put your finger on it.] 3583.4878 3504 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3584.5428 that 3585.1687 3505 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3585.1687 (pause 0.45) 3585.6155 3506 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3585.6155 me being from DC, 3587.2914 3507 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3587.2914 (pause 1.03) 3588.3212 3508 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3588.3212 you know 3588.5745 3509 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3588.5745 (pause 0.13) 3588.7048 3510 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3588.7048 I'm a native- m- my mother says I'm a native Washingtonian 3591.5035 3511 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3591.5035 (pause 0.80) 3592.3066 3512 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3592.3066 with 3592.6448 3513 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3592.6448 (pause 0.49) 3593.1345 3514 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3593.1345 one parent from South Carolina, one parent from North Carolina, 3596.1127 3515 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3596.1127 (pause 0.56) 3596.6757 3516 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3596.6757 um, and me living in Richmond 3598.3970 3517 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3598.3970 (pause 0.11) 3598.5080 3518 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3598.5080 I've got a lot of Southern influence 3600.5877 3519 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3600.5877 (pause 0.23) 3600.8175 3520 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3600.8175 within me. 3601.3935 3521 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3601.3935 (pause 0.22) 3601.6101 3522 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3601.6101 And so 3602.5994 3523 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3602.5994 (pause 0.92) 3603.5232 3524 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3603.5232 uh, it's just 3604.6179 3525 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3604.6179 (pause 1.80) 3606.4132 3526 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3606.4132 I usually can tell 3607.7239 3527 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3607.7239 (pause 0.43) 3608.1497 3528 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3608.1497 when someone- especially someone my age 3611.2339 3529 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3611.2339 (pause 0.43) 3611.6630 3530 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3611.6630 or someone forty or over 3614.0830 3531 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3614.0830 (pause 0.69) 3614.7689 3532 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3614.7689 I can usually tell 3615.9169 3533 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3615.9169 (pause 0.32) 3616.2378 3534 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3616.2378 if they're from DC or not 3617.4498 3535 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3617.4498 (pause 0.29) 3617.7421 3536 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3617.7421 or if they 3618.2216 3537 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3618.2216 (pause 0.31) 3618.5346 3538 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3618.5346 you know migrated here from South or if they came from like the Ohio Valley here. 3622.6421 3539 DCB_int_01 3623.5901 So let me ask you about two things that are 3625.6900 3540 DCB_int_01 3625.6900 (pause 0.20) 3625.8869 3541 DCB_int_01 3625.8869 DC things. 3627.3776 3542 DCB_int_01 3627.3776 (pause 0.45) 3627.8291 3543 DCB_int_01 3627.8291 Go go music? 3628.5251 3544 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3629.5278 So go go music was popular 3631.2138 3545 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3631.2138 (pause 0.17) 3631.3855 3546 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3631.3855 actually when I was away in college. 3633.0866 3547 DCB_int_01 3633.6822 So you didn't really get into [the go go scene?] 3635.6143 3548 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3634.6856 [I did- I mean I knew] about it, we listen- I listened to it some but it wasn't a big thing for me just because of the timing of it and that I wasn't 3641.7350 3549 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3642.3345 here when it was a big [thing.] 3643.6652 3550 DCB_int_01 3643.4047 [When it] 3643.6607 3551 DCB_int_01 3644.1114 blew up. 3644.5909 3552 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3644.1416 [When it blew] up I wasn't here. 3645.7570 3553 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3646.2870 Right. 3646.5803 3554 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3646.5803 (pause 0.18) 3646.7641 3555 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3646.7641 So- 3647.1908 3556 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3647.1908 (pause 0.25) 3647.4456 3557 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3647.4456 and for me 3648.5056 3558 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3648.5056 (pause 0.57) 3649.0760 3559 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3649.0760 uh, of course I know who Chuck Brown is, father of go go and 3652.2966 3560 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3652.2966 (pause 0.17) 3652.4632 3561 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3652.4632 l- liked the music, 3653.7251 3562 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3653.7251 (pause 0.98) 3654.7020 3563 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3654.7020 but just because of the timing 3656.1659 3564 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3656.1659 (pause 0.30) 3656.4688 3565 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3656.4688 I was more into his later 3658.0648 3566 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3658.0648 (pause 0.23) 3658.2961 3567 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3658.2961 stuff 3658.7050 3568 DCB_int_01 3658.7958 [Mm-hm.] 3659.2358 3569 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3659.0054 [than] the earlier stuff or the part where it really blew up. 3661.5193 3570 DCB_int_01 3662.1099 So 3662.4819 3571 DCB_int_01 3662.4819 (pause 0.22) 3662.7055 3572 DCB_int_01 3662.7055 do you still- But even now that- [I mean go go] still it- it's most definitely when you talk about DC that's- 3667.6096 3573 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3664.2881 [Mm-hm.] 3664.9040 3574 DCB_int_01 3667.7712 either you love it or you hate it. [Like it's a] DC thing, 3670.0780 3575 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3668.8161 [Mm-hm.] 3669.2454 3576 DCB_int_01 3670.3355 either you love it or you hate it. 3671.3821 3577 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3671.5294 [Mm-hm.] 3671.9383 3578 DCB_int_01 3671.8020 [Um], 3672.5491 3579 DCB_int_01 3673.2962 and 3674.0268 3580 DCB_int_01 3674.0268 (pause 0.52) 3674.5480 3581 DCB_int_01 3674.5480 do you still appreciate it like even the stuff that- the later stuff? 3678.2356 3582 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3678.2154 Mm-hm. 3678.5421 3583 DCB_int_01 3678.7505 Um, do you listen to it 3679.9872 3584 DCB_int_01 3679.9872 (pause 0.15) 3680.1336 3585 DCB_int_01 3680.1336 often? 3680.8756 3586 DCB_int_01 3680.8756 (pause 0.11) 3680.9867 3587 DCB_int_01 3680.9867 Not so often? 3681.9206 3588 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3681.9508 I don't- 3682.3648 3589 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3682.3648 (pause 0.61) 3682.9732 3590 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3682.9732 an- and I'm a little different cause I'm not either the love or the hate, 3686.0423 3591 DCB_int_01 3686.1432 [You kind of just right-] 3687.1552 3592 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3686.2593 [/I can say-/ I'm right in the middle.] 3688.4097 3593 DCB_int_01 3687.2941 [just /?/] 3687.7181 3594 DCB_int_01 3687.7181 (pause 0.13) 3687.8443 3595 DCB_int_01 3687.8443 [take it or leave] it? 3688.6671 3596 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3688.7998 If it's on, 3689.7943 3597 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3689.7943 (pause 0.22) 3690.0113 3598 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3690.0113 I will listen to it. 3691.0764 3599 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3691.0764 (pause 0.35) 3691.4298 3600 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3691.4298 Um, 3692.1778 3601 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3692.1778 (pause 0.26) 3692.4343 3602 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3692.4343 I won't go- it comes on and then I'm like, I don't wanna hear that, it's not like that, or I go seek it out. 3697.1370 3603 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3697.1370 (pause 0.10) 3697.2374 3604 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3697.2374 If [it's on or] if I'm at a party and it's playing, yes I'm gonna dance yes I'm gonna enjoy it, 3701.6240 3605 DCB_int_01 3697.4141 [Mm mm-hm.] 3698.1915 3606 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3701.9017 but I don't seek it out. 3702.7901 3607 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3702.7901 (pause 0.82) 3703.6105 3608 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3703.6105 And it was funny cause when I was in Chicago last weekend with my husband 3706.4423 3609 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3706.4423 (pause 0.39) 3706.8310 3610 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3706.8310 and um, 3707.5390 3611 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3707.5390 (pause 0.19) 3707.7322 3612 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3707.7322 they have house [music.] 3709.1506 3613 DCB_int_01 3708.9841 [Mm-hm.] 3709.4131 3614 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3710.0290 You know, and my husband introduced me a few years ago to house music. 3713.4702 3615 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3713.4702 (pause 0.44) 3713.9057 3616 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3713.9057 And I was like, 3714.7057 3617 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3714.7057 (pause 0.15) 3714.8574 3618 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3714.8574 that's not right cause it's supposed to be go go, he was like, no you all have go go we have house, and so when um, 3719.8405 3619 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3719.8405 (pause 0.34) 3720.1855 3620 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3720.1855 we were hanging out with some of his friends this weekend and we were at a bar and they were playing house music 3724.8245 3621 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3724.8245 (pause 0.52) 3725.3495 3622 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3725.3495 and uh- 3726.0588 3623 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3726.0588 (pause 0.15) 3726.2052 3624 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3726.2052 and so one of th- 3727.1239 3625 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3727.1239 (pause 0.12) 3727.2400 3626 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3727.2400 the ladies asked me, 3728.5222 3627 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3728.5222 (pause 0.96) 3729.4863 3628 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3729.4863 you're from DC? and I said, yeah, she goes, 3731.5509 3629 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3731.5509 (pause 0.20) 3731.7492 3630 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3731.7492 do y'all have this? 3732.5922 3631 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3732.5922 (pause 0.15) 3732.7386 3632 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3732.7386 No we have- I was proud to say, no we have go go. [] 3736.9372 3633 DCB_int_01 3735.4190 [Right?] 3735.6916 3634 DCB_int_01 3735.6916 (pause 0.26) 3735.9490 3635 DCB_int_01 3735.9490 [At that moment like, no.] 3737.0797 3636 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3737.2110 No [we don't have this, we have go go.] 3739.0282 3637 DCB_int_01 3737.6098 [No no. We don't have this.] 3739.3462 3638 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3739.2503 [It's] a little bit slower, and a little more- 3741.2670 3639 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3741.3781 you know have more beat to it than this kind of 3743.4174 3640 DCB_int_01 3743.9374 This little yeah. 3745.9137 3641 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3745.0505 [Like kind of like mindless], to me it's a little mindless [you know?] 3748.4427 3642 DCB_int_01 3747.9934 [All I can] think about is like the 3749.1999 3643 DCB_int_01 3749.3614 colorful lights just flashing 3750.6134 3644 DCB_int_01 3750.6134 (pause 0.33) 3750.9414 3645 DCB_int_01 3750.9414 [like just] crazy. 3752.3346 3646 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3751.0524 [Yeah.] 3751.7742 3647 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3752.4231 Yeah. 3752.8875 3648 DCB_int_01 3752.9783 That's what I think about when I think about house music whereas go go I think 3756.1611 3649 DCB_int_01 3756.1611 (pause 0.35) 3756.5094 3650 DCB_int_01 3756.5094 percussion. I [think a lot] of like [congos] I think 3759.2100 3651 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3757.1858 [Yeah.] 3757.7978 3652 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3757.7978 (pause 0.25) 3758.0440 3653 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3758.0440 [Yes.] 3758.8213 3654 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3759.5028 [Yes.] 3760.0748 3655 DCB_int_01 3759.7350 [um], the cowbe- I think a lot of that is what 3762.6350 3656 DCB_int_01 3762.9757 reminds me of [go go.] 3764.6846 3657 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3764.1899 [Mm-hm mm-hm.] 3765.3992 3658 DCB_int_01 3765.1742 [Um], and then the other one, 3766.6075 3659 DCB_int_01 3766.8652 mumbo sauce. 3767.8212 3660 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3768.4579 I'm not into m- 3769.5180 3661 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3769.5180 (pause 0.23) 3769.7452 3662 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3769.7452 you know I'm on- again, I can take it or leave it. 3772.0520 3663 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3772.0520 (pause 0.71) 3772.7587 3664 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3772.7587 I can take it or leave it. 3774.1620 3665 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3774.1620 (pause 0.39) 3774.5507 3666 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3774.5507 Um, 3774.9697 3667 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3774.9697 (pause 0.36) 3775.3346 3668 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3775.3346 And the thing about n- 3776.6723 3669 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3776.6723 (pause 0.74) 3777.4092 3670 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3777.4092 back in the day 3778.2692 3671 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3778.2692 (pause 0.17) 3778.4441 3672 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3778.4441 mumbo sauce was mumbo sauce, 3780.0846 3673 DCB_int_01 3780.2461 Mm-hm. 3780.6555 3674 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3780.7156 now depending on what- which 3782.3763 3675 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3782.3763 (pause 0.12) 3782.4951 3676 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3782.4951 restaurant you go to it'll be orange, it'll be brown, it'll be purple, it'll be light, it'll be dark, it's not 3788.8503 3677 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3788.8503 (pause 0.29) 3789.1366 3678 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3789.1366 consistent anymore. 3790.5046 3679 DCB_int_01 3791.3173 Is [there one] type of place you get it or [you can get it anywhere] now you feel like it's just- 3795.5654 3680 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3791.5372 [So.] 3792.0016 3681 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3792.0016 (pause 1.69) 3793.6927 3682 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3793.6927 [No.] 3794.2327 3683 DCB_int_01 3795.8885 well it used to be a specialt- it [used to be] 3797.7007 3684 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3797.2137 [It used to-] 3797.5379 3685 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3797.9557 Right. 3798.3242 3686 DCB_int_01 3798.2737 something, now it's just, it [is what it is?] 3800.4364 3687 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3799.7225 [It's- it is] whatever they wanna call it. 3801.7618 3688 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3801.8678 You know what I'm [saying?] 3802.7966 3689 DCB_int_01 3802.3373 [Mm.] 3802.9026 3690 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3803.1779 Um, so I was never really heavy into it 3805.6614 3691 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3805.6614 (pause 0.56) 3806.2217 3692 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3806.2217 um, but every once in a while like if I was eating some- off of someone else's plate and they had it on their wings and stuff then I would 3811.8224 3693 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3811.8224 (pause 0.19) 3812.0155 3694 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3812.0155 but 3812.2224 3695 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3812.2224 (pause 0.22) 3812.4409 3696 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3812.4409 yeah. 3812.7489 3697 DCB_int_01 3813.4555 [But you only] eat it on wings? 3814.7326 3698 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3813.5413 [/Um-/] 3813.8038 3699 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3815.4343 I only eat it on wings. 3816.6476 3700 DCB_int_01 3816.6963 /Mm-hm./ 3817.0069 3701 DCB_int_01 3817.0069 (pause 0.21) 3817.2212 3702 DCB_int_01 3817.2212 [No most] people only eat it on wings I don't see a lot of people doing a whole lot with mumbo- 3820.7043 3703 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3817.2616 [/?/] 3817.5043 3704 DCB_int_01 3820.8634 maybe french fries. 3821.7619 3705 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3822.3222 [Yeah.] 3822.8449 3706 DCB_int_01 3822.4030 [I think that's] the craziest thing I've seen is the 3823.9830 3707 DCB_int_01 3824.1294 french frie- I- I don't- you don't do in on like 3825.9617 3708 DCB_int_01 3825.9617 (pause 1.21) 3827.1708 3709 DCB_int_01 3827.1708 you know vegetables [and] 3828.8265 3710 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3828.5741 [Yeah.] 3829.0461 3711 DCB_int_01 3829.1294 all that you just- your f- 3830.1844 3712 DCB_int_01 3830.1844 (pause 0.15) 3830.3308 3713 DCB_int_01 3830.3308 wings primary and then maybe- 3832.6321 3714 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3832.1355 [Maybe french fries.] 3833.2612 3715 DCB_int_01 3832.9331 [maybe] french fries if you feeling [adventurous.] 3835.1238 3716 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3834.9825 [Right.] 3835.3718 3717 DCB_int_01 3835.5781 That's- that's 3836.0915 3718 DCB_int_01 3836.0915 (pause 0.15) 3836.2445 3719 DCB_int_01 3836.2445 about all you could do. 3837.0591 3720 DCB_se2_ag4_f_02 3837.1228 Right. 3837.3716