Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DCB_int_01 0.5009 Um, and your birthday? 1.9837 2 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2.5748 January fourteenth, nineteen sixty one. 4.9202 3 DCB_int_01 6.8646 And where were you born? 8.0350 4 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 8.3323 Washington DC. 9.3721 5 DCB_int_01 10.7290 What neighborhood do you- did you grow up in? 12.6781 6 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 13.1351 Southeast Washington. 14.5000 7 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 14.5000 (pause 0.22) 14.7240 8 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 14.7240 Hillcrest. 15.4374 9 DCB_int_01 17.7222 And how many years have you lived in the District? 19.7599 10 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 20.8685 Mm, 21.9736 11 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 21.9736 (pause 4.58) 26.5561 12 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 26.5561 uh, that would be excluding- Only- 28.4819 13 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 28.4819 (pause 0.13) 28.6078 14 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 28.6078 The only time that I lived 29.9507 15 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 29.9507 (pause 0.37) 30.3237 16 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 30.3237 elsewhere was when I was in college and law school. 32.6867 17 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 32.6867 (pause 0.60) 33.2882 18 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 33.2882 So 34.0482 19 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 34.0482 (pause 1.39) 35.4424 20 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 35.4424 um, 36.3564 21 DCB_int_01 36.0440 [What's that], seven [years?] 37.0418 22 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 36.5569 [That would] be- 37.4755 23 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 38.1376 Well 38.5269 24 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 38.5269 (pause 0.68) 39.2042 25 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 39.2042 uh, only- I went away to college really for like a semester so, 42.7294 26 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 42.7294 (pause 1.63) 44.3556 27 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 44.3556 uh, 44.8545 28 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 44.8545 (pause 1.46) 46.3187 29 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 46.3187 let me see. I was away maybe a total of five years so 50.2635 30 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 50.2635 (pause 1.11) 51.3768 31 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 51.3768 I- 52.3000 32 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 52.3000 (pause 2.90) 55.1957 33 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 55.1957 I don't know. God, what? Forty years? 57.3115 34 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 57.3115 (pause 0.30) 57.6146 35 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 57.6146 Maybe forty years, I've lived? 59.2886 36 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 59.2886 (pause 1.16) 60.4450 37 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 60.4450 I'm not really doing the math well, but. 62.1889 38 DCB_int_01 64.3373 And what other places- 65.4238 39 DCB_int_01 65.4238 (pause 0.20) 65.6243 40 DCB_int_01 65.6243 So when you went to school- did you live? 67.6014 41 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 67.7832 Boston and New Orleans. 69.4700 42 DCB_int_01 76.0389 And where'd you go to school? High school, college, law school. 79.2330 43 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 80.1271 Um, 80.8592 44 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 80.8592 (pause 0.35) 81.2089 45 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 81.2089 I went to 82.5565 46 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 82.5565 (pause 0.15) 82.7104 47 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 82.7104 um- 83.3865 48 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 83.3865 (pause 2.96) 86.3416 49 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 86.3416 Part of the- 86.9058 50 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 86.9058 (pause 0.16) 87.0690 51 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 87.0690 My high school years were at 88.5985 52 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 88.5985 (pause 0.23) 88.8316 53 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 88.8316 um, 89.4331 54 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 89.4331 (pause 0.31) 89.7409 55 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 89.7409 /RD-SCHOOL-4/. 91.0745 56 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 91.0745 (pause 1.16) 92.2297 57 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 92.2297 Um, I graduated from /RD-SCHOOL-4/. 94.7896 58 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 94.7896 (pause 1.83) 96.6175 59 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 96.6175 I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/ in Boston 100.0669 60 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 100.0669 (pause 0.21) 100.2814 61 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 100.2814 and transferred to /RD-SCHOOL-9/. 102.9905 62 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 102.9905 (pause 1.55) 104.5421 63 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 104.5421 And then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-9/. 107.3772 64 DCB_int_01 113.1906 What's your current occupation? 114.5120 65 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 115.0185 I'm an attorney. 115.9638 66 DCB_int_01 119.8155 Um, where was your father born? 121.3541 67 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 122.0105 My father was born in 123.6752 68 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 123.6752 (pause 0.83) 124.5099 69 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 124.5099 Raleigh, North Carolina. 125.8201 70 DCB_int_01 127.5641 What about your mom? 128.2495 71 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 129.2789 My mother was born 130.5518 72 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 130.5518 (pause 0.13) 130.6777 73 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 130.6777 in- I think it was Camden, Alabama. 133.2004 74 DCB_int_01 134.4069 And what does your father do? 135.4669 75 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 136.3094 My father is deceased. He was an attorney. 138.9625 76 DCB_int_01 140.2437 And what about mom? 140.9105 77 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 141.9456 My mother was 143.0974 78 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 143.0974 (pause 0.16) 143.2606 79 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 143.2606 a 144.5709 80 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 144.5709 (pause 0.61) 145.1770 81 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 145.1770 librarian. 146.0723 82 DCB_int_01 148.5705 And is she still living or she- 149.8528 83 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 149.9414 She's still living. 150.7574 84 DCB_int_01 152.8545 Kay. 153.1390 85 DCB_int_01 153.1390 (pause 1.12) 154.2581 86 DCB_int_01 154.2581 I will stop writing now (pen clicking). 155.6336 87 DCB_int_01 155.6336 (pause 1.48) 157.1164 88 DCB_int_01 157.1164 So, 157.4382 89 DCB_int_01 157.4382 (pause 0.57) 158.0059 90 DCB_int_01 158.0059 let's go back. Let's go 159.4887 91 DCB_int_01 159.4887 (pause 0.65) 160.1415 92 DCB_int_01 160.1415 back a little bit. 160.9249 93 DCB_int_01 160.9249 (pause 0.69) 161.6196 94 DCB_int_01 161.6196 When you talk about Southeast, tell me about your neighborhood growing up. 164.5773 95 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 165.8104 165.9317 96 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 165.9317 (pause 0.18) 166.1089 97 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 166.1089 My neighborhood was a- 167.8901 98 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 167.8901 (pause 1.42) 169.3123 99 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 169.3123 I'd say middle class to upper middle class neighborhood, 171.9923 100 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 171.9923 (pause 0.29) 172.2860 101 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 172.2860 um, 172.8549 102 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 172.8549 (pause 0.48) 173.3352 103 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 173.3352 in 173.7082 104 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 173.7082 (pause 0.13) 173.8341 105 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 173.8341 the midst of 174.8693 106 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 174.8693 (pause 1.57) 176.4395 107 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 176.4395 um, 176.9618 108 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 176.9618 (pause 2.09) 179.0508 109 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 179.0508 I wanna say 179.9134 110 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 179.9134 (pause 0.83) 180.7434 111 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 180.7434 lower class mei- 181.9126 112 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 181.9126 (pause 0.16) 182.0712 113 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 182.0712 lower class neighborhoods. 183.7918 114 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 183.7918 (pause 1.07) 184.8642 115 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 184.8642 But 185.0881 116 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 185.0881 (pause 0.26) 185.3492 117 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 185.3492 it was not like they were today. 187.1164 118 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 187.1164 (pause 0.59) 187.7075 119 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 187.7075 Neighborhoods- When you think of 189.1436 120 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 189.1436 (pause 0.52) 189.6659 121 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 189.6659 uh, upper middle class neighborhoods today- 192.0206 122 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 192.0206 (pause 0.85) 192.8693 123 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 192.8693 Well first of all, it was all black, 194.1889 124 DCB_int_01 194.5514 Mm-hm. 194.8592 125 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 195.6799 except for um- 197.4751 126 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 197.4751 (pause 2.11) 199.5827 127 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 199.5827 199.6946 128 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 199.6946 (pause 0.52) 200.2157 129 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 200.2157 There were a few 201.4187 130 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 201.4187 (pause 1.35) 202.7663 131 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 202.7663 white people in the neighborhood left 205.2470 132 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 205.2470 (pause 1.65) 206.8965 133 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 206.8965 from white flight. 207.6892 134 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 207.6892 (pause 1.74) 209.4331 135 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 209.4331 Because when the blacks started moving in, the whites started moving out. 212.4862 136 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 212.4862 (pause 1.05) 213.5400 137 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 213.5400 Um, except for my father told me this, 216.0626 138 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 216.0626 (pause 0.37) 216.4310 139 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 216.4310 um- 217.0838 140 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 217.0838 (pause 1.76) 218.8405 141 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 218.8405 The only whites that basically stayed- 220.7383 142 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 220.7383 (pause 0.45) 221.1860 143 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 221.1860 The majority of the whites that stayed were 223.4848 144 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 223.4848 (pause 0.16) 223.6480 145 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 223.6480 um, whites that did not have 225.5633 146 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 225.5633 (pause 0.27) 225.8291 147 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 225.8291 children, particularly girls 227.7082 148 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 227.7082 (pause 1.14) 228.8460 149 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 228.8460 because they did not want 230.1784 150 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 230.1784 (pause 0.25) 230.4302 151 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 230.4302 um, 230.9571 152 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 230.9571 (pause 1.70) 232.6544 153 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 232.6544 white- 233.0041 154 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 233.0041 (pause 0.34) 233.3445 155 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 233.3445 Whites 233.9833 156 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 233.9833 (pause 0.14) 234.1279 157 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 234.1279 did not want their girls to be around 236.5000 158 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 236.5000 (pause 1.44) 237.9410 159 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 237.9410 black guys. 238.7104 160 DCB_int_01 239.6756 Hm. 239.9414 161 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 240.1372 That was my father's 241.1770 162 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 241.1770 (pause 1.20) 242.3743 163 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 242.3743 uh, 242.8359 164 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 242.8359 (pause 0.66) 243.4980 165 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 243.4980 explanation. And 244.6264 166 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 244.6264 (pause 0.39) 245.0135 167 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 245.0135 as I looked around the neighborhood, I did notice that there were- 247.3542 168 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 247.3542 (pause 0.42) 247.7786 169 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 247.7786 There were a lot of older white people. 249.4700 170 DCB_int_01 249.8710 Mm-hm. 250.2487 171 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 250.3047 So 250.7244 172 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 250.7244 (pause 0.20) 250.9249 173 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 250.9249 they might have- And they didn't s- 252.4310 174 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 252.4310 (pause 0.55) 252.9765 175 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 252.9765 I didn't know of any of 'em 254.4034 176 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 254.4034 (pause 1.51) 255.9130 177 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 255.9130 to have kids. Maybe one 257.9367 178 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 257.9367 (pause 1.75) 259.6900 179 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 259.6900 family. 260.3334 180 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 260.3334 (pause 0.83) 261.1623 181 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 261.1623 Um, 261.6659 182 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 261.6659 (pause 1.05) 262.7197 183 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 262.7197 so maybe they felt like they were too old to leave. 265.2703 184 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 265.2703 (pause 0.78) 266.0478 185 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 266.0478 You know, I don't know. 267.0690 186 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 267.0690 (pause 0.55) 267.6239 187 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 267.6239 But they were like scattered around. 269.3352 188 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 269.3352 (pause 0.65) 269.9833 189 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 269.9833 But 270.1838 190 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 270.1838 (pause 0.79) 270.9765 191 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 270.9765 the majority of the neighborhood was /definitely/- 272.8359 192 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 272.8359 (pause 0.43) 273.2695 193 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 273.2695 They were definitely 274.0715 194 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 274.0715 (pause 0.33) 274.4026 195 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 274.4026 African Americans. There weren't 275.8388 196 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 275.8388 (pause 0.36) 276.2025 197 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 276.2025 Hispanics. There weren't 277.5454 198 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 277.5454 (pause 1.02) 278.5654 199 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 278.5654 Indians. There weren't Asians. 280.4819 200 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 280.4819 (pause 1.28) 281.7595 201 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 281.7595 Completely African American. 283.2283 202 DCB_int_01 283.6387 How big was the neighborhood? Like how many blocks, streets? 286.5099 203 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 287.5544 The whole H- all of Hillcrest? 289.6713 204 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 289.6713 (pause 0.89) 290.5654 205 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 290.5654 I'm not good with 291.3208 206 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 291.3208 (pause 0.84) 292.1648 207 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 292.1648 that type of thing. 293.0461 208 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 293.0461 (pause 0.35) 293.3958 209 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 293.3958 Um, 293.9414 210 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 293.9414 (pause 4.27) 298.2114 211 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 298.2114 it was a pretty big neighborhood. 299.5217 212 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 299.5217 (pause 0.95) 300.4683 213 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 300.4683 I mean, you know. 301.3402 214 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 301.3402 (pause 1.77) 303.1063 215 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 303.1063 It was a- 303.4281 216 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 303.4281 (pause 0.31) 303.7358 217 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 303.7358 I- 304.0156 218 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 304.0156 (pause 0.20) 304.2114 219 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 304.2114 Will say- it was a- it was a big area. 306.2631 220 DCB_int_01 306.5289 Okay. 306.8366 221 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 307.3123 You know. 307.6200 222 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 307.6200 (pause 0.14) 307.7634 223 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 307.7634 I- I hesitate to call it a- 309.1669 224 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 309.1669 (pause 0.07) 309.2322 225 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 309.2322 You know, I consider my neighborhood like, the people that I knew 312.2538 226 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 312.2538 (pause 0.34) 312.5942 227 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 312.5942 which was like, 313.1677 228 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 313.1677 (pause 1.91) 315.0784 229 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 315.0784 um, 315.5586 230 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 315.5586 (pause 0.60) 316.1555 231 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 316.1555 maybe, 316.7850 232 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 316.7850 (pause 1.06) 317.8481 233 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 317.8481 um, 318.4869 234 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 318.4869 (pause 1.34) 319.8287 235 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 319.8287 you know, that was just a- 320.7146 236 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 320.7146 (pause 0.77) 321.4840 237 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 321.4840 maybe about ten block 322.6031 238 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 322.6031 (pause 0.21) 322.8176 239 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 322.8176 radius. Like, 323.4518 240 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 323.4518 (pause 0.26) 323.7082 241 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 323.7082 you know, the people I got to knew- know from 326.2821 242 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 326.2821 (pause 1.12) 327.4001 243 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 327.4001 playing. 327.9177 244 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 327.9177 (pause 0.59) 328.5099 245 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 328.5099 You know, you didn't go too far- 329.7642 246 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 329.7642 (pause 0.15) 329.9181 247 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 329.9181 [stray too] far from your neighborhood to play. And then 332.6456 248 DCB_int_01 330.0719 [Right.] 330.4496 249 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 333.2416 you know, maybe people who th- 334.3233 250 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 334.3233 (pause 0.10) 334.4259 251 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 334.4259 that I met 334.9342 252 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 334.9342 (pause 0.28) 335.2186 253 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 335.2186 at church- 335.9414 254 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 335.9414 (pause 1.44) 337.3775 255 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 337.3775 people I met at my elementary school, 339.1389 256 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 339.1389 (pause 0.84) 339.9830 257 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 339.9830 which was a neighborhood elementary school. 341.7082 258 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 341.7082 (pause 0.85) 342.5569 259 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 342.5569 And um, 343.4382 260 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 343.4382 (pause 4.19) 347.6243 261 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 347.6243 I guess that was it. 348.5196 262 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 348.5196 (pause 0.13) 348.6501 263 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 348.6501 You know, like the Girl Scouts and stuff like that. 350.6400 264 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 350.6400 (pause 1.36) 351.9969 265 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 351.9969 Um- 352.5378 266 DCB_int_01 352.5705 Ten blocks is- that's a big- I was actually thinking maybe you were gonna say like two or three /??/. That's a big 357.5773 267 DCB_int_01 357.5773 (pause 0.40) 357.9783 268 DCB_int_01 357.9783 like 358.1741 269 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 358.1368 Well I'm- 358.6078 270 DCB_int_01 358.5891 area. 359.0228 271 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 359.1067 Well that includes the people that 361.1957 272 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 361.1957 (pause 0.16) 361.3589 273 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 361.3589 I m- 361.7226 274 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 361.7226 (pause 0.14) 361.8671 275 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 361.8671 met. 362.2950 276 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 362.2950 (pause 0.19) 362.4815 277 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 362.4815 But the people that I knew 363.5446 278 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 363.5446 (pause 0.65) 364.1928 279 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 364.1928 [well] well well were like- 366.2118 280 DCB_int_01 364.2954 [Well.] 364.5705 281 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 366.3704 except when I- because what happened in my neighborhood was 369.1530 282 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 369.1530 (pause 1.11) 370.2674 283 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 370.2674 the sch- 370.8036 284 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 370.8036 (pause 0.09) 370.8922 285 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 370.8922 the- 371.0414 286 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 371.0414 (pause 0.21) 371.2513 287 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 371.2513 the people- 371.8808 288 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 371.8808 (pause 2.13) 374.0117 289 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 374.0117 You know. 374.2810 290 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 374.2810 (pause 0.23) 374.5095 291 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 374.5095 Because we were like, a little oasis, 377.0228 292 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 377.0228 (pause 0.28) 377.2979 293 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 377.2979 so to speak, 377.9693 294 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 377.9693 (pause 0.66) 378.6268 295 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 378.6268 in Southeast, 379.5501 296 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 379.5501 (pause 0.97) 380.5188 297 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 380.5188 the schools 381.6286 298 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 381.6286 (pause 0.59) 382.2161 299 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 382.2161 were not the- 382.9062 300 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 382.9062 (pause 0.26) 383.1627 301 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 383.1627 the- 383.4005 302 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 383.4005 (pause 0.14) 383.5450 303 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 383.5450 the parents in my neighborhood were not 385.5221 304 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 385.5221 (pause 0.27) 385.7914 305 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 385.7914 pleased with the schools. 387.2136 306 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 387.2136 (pause 0.54) 387.7498 307 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 387.7498 So they either- after a certain point, 390.1838 308 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 390.1838 (pause 0.93) 391.1118 309 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 391.1118 we either got- 391.8858 310 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 391.8858 (pause 1.58) 393.4654 311 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 393.4654 they either sent us to private schools- most of us went to private schools, 396.8087 312 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 396.8087 (pause 0.68) 397.4895 313 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 397.4895 or they 398.4921 314 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 398.4921 (pause 0.11) 398.5981 315 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 398.5981 bussed us to- or we went to- and when I say bussed, I don't mean like, 402.1419 316 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 402.1419 (pause 0.51) 402.6501 317 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 402.6501 you know, 402.9625 318 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 402.9625 (pause 0.15) 403.1106 319 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 403.1106 really bussed. I mean like we would catch- we would have to catch a bus, 405.9923 320 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 405.9923 (pause 0.36) 406.3513 321 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 406.3513 get on the bus and go, 407.4751 322 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 407.4751 (pause 0.70) 408.1745 323 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 408.1745 you know, or- or we would go to, 410.5000 324 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 410.5000 (pause 0.99) 411.4933 325 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 411.4933 um, 412.1228 326 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 412.1228 (pause 1.10) 413.2233 327 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 413.2233 schools in different- in a better 415.5174 328 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 415.5174 (pause 0.32) 415.8345 329 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 415.8345 part of town, but mainly pe- people were going to private schools. 418.9109 330 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 418.9109 (pause 1.85) 420.7574 331 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 420.7574 You know that was 421.4137 332 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 421.4137 (pause 0.11) 421.5256 333 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 421.5256 mainly m- 422.0945 334 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 422.0945 (pause 0.09) 422.1831 335 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 422.1831 most of my friends were going to private schools. 424.4259 336 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 424.4259 (pause 0.98) 425.4098 337 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 425.4098 You know, 425.8015 338 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 425.8015 (pause 0.11) 425.9134 339 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 425.9134 um, I did notice that 427.4428 340 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 427.4428 (pause 0.18) 427.6247 341 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 427.6247 um- 428.0257 342 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 428.0257 (pause 0.65) 428.6773 343 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 428.6773 so we had- 429.6006 344 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 429.6006 (pause 1.46) 431.0647 345 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 431.0647 And this is what I'm saying we don't really see too much today, 434.0723 346 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 434.0723 (pause 1.57) 435.6426 347 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 435.6426 we had 436.4332 348 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 436.4332 (pause 0.46) 436.8969 349 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 436.8969 um, 437.4051 350 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 437.4051 (pause 0.46) 437.8621 351 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 437.8621 like I lived next to a cab- 439.2750 352 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 439.2750 (pause 0.15) 439.4242 353 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 439.4242 I ha- on one side of me- 440.7473 354 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 440.7473 (pause 0.42) 441.1669 355 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 441.1669 my father was an attorney. 442.4865 356 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 442.4865 (pause 0.13) 442.6171 357 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 442.6171 My mother was a, um, 444.2445 358 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 444.2445 (pause 0.53) 444.7760 359 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 444.7760 We had doctors, lawyers, 446.6494 360 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 446.6494 (pause 0.82) 447.4700 361 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 447.4700 um, we had blue collar workers. 449.9367 362 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 449.9367 (pause 0.83) 450.7620 363 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 450.7620 Um, 451.4988 364 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 451.4988 (pause 0.15) 451.6468 365 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 451.6468 you know, like, 452.6680 366 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 452.6680 (pause 0.69) 453.3581 367 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 453.3581 my- 453.6939 368 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 453.6939 (pause 0.19) 453.8804 369 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 453.8804 my 454.1601 370 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 454.1601 (pause 0.17) 454.3327 371 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 454.3327 neigh- the- 454.9528 372 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 454.9528 (pause 0.25) 455.2000 373 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 455.2000 the neighbor to 455.9041 374 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 455.9041 (pause 0.22) 456.1232 375 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 456.1232 uh- 456.6222 376 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 456.6222 (pause 0.12) 456.7434 377 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 456.7434 to my left was a cab driver. 458.8312 378 DCB_int_01 459.3115 Hm. 459.5493 379 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 460.4026 And 460.8549 380 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 460.8549 (pause 0.10) 460.9575 381 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 460.9575 his wife doesn't- didn't work. 462.4403 382 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 462.4403 (pause 0.84) 463.2785 383 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 463.2785 Neighbor to my- 463.9971 384 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 463.9971 (pause 0.18) 464.1784 385 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 464.1784 to my right, 465.0830 386 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 465.0830 (pause 1.03) 466.1089 387 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 466.1089 he was an- 466.8642 388 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 466.8642 (pause 0.88) 467.7455 389 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 467.7455 he was either an engineer or an architect, 469.4428 390 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 469.4428 (pause 0.18) 469.6235 391 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 469.6235 but he was highly, 470.4908 392 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 470.4908 (pause 1.05) 471.5446 393 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 471.5446 you know, 471.8571 394 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 471.8571 (pause 0.43) 472.2860 395 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 472.2860 educated. 472.9388 396 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 472.9388 (pause 0.87) 473.8061 397 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 473.8061 And it was mixed like that throughout the neighborhood. You had some 476.9058 398 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 476.9058 (pause 0.76) 477.6705 399 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 477.6705 you know, 477.9130 400 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 477.9130 (pause 0.08) 477.9923 401 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 477.9923 bus drivers, cab drivers, lawyers, 480.6595 402 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 480.6595 (pause 0.43) 481.0884 403 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 481.0884 you know. 481.4475 404 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 481.4475 (pause 0.36) 481.8100 405 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 481.8100 Four blocks up 482.8918 406 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 482.8918 (pause 0.61) 483.5027 407 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 483.5027 was 483.9596 408 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 483.9596 (pause 0.92) 484.8782 409 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 484.8782 /newer/- 485.2140 410 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 485.2140 (pause 0.27) 485.4797 411 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 485.4797 You know, 485.8435 412 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 485.8435 (pause 0.43) 486.2724 413 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 486.2724 both 486.6641 414 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 486.6641 (pause 1.07) 487.7366 415 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 487.7366 uh, 488.1737 416 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 488.1737 (pause 0.84) 489.0177 417 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 489.0177 parents were doctors. The mother was a pediatrician. The father was a neurosurgeon, like one of the most 493.9779 418 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 493.9779 (pause 0.76) 494.7380 419 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 494.7380 um, highly 495.8431 420 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 495.8431 (pause 0.33) 496.1741 421 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 496.1741 you know, 496.5798 422 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 496.5798 (pause 0.34) 496.9202 423 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 496.9202 um, 497.3585 424 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 497.3585 (pause 0.88) 498.2351 425 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 498.2351 thought of neurosurgeons at Howard- 500.2353 426 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 500.2353 (pause 0.56) 500.7939 427 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 500.7939 at Howard's Hospital. 501.7731 428 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 501.7731 (pause 0.77) 502.5425 429 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 502.5425 You know, and I think they lived next do- 504.1745 430 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 504.1745 (pause 0.14) 504.3191 431 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 504.3191 door to a um, 505.5407 432 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 505.5407 (pause 1.45) 506.9898 433 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 506.9898 your blue collar worker. 508.0436 434 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 508.0436 (pause 0.75) 508.7896 435 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 508.7896 So that's just the way- and part of that probably, I'm sure had to do with the fact that all black people had to live 514.2907 436 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 514.2907 (pause 1.15) 515.4378 437 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 515.4378 you know, 515.7688 438 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 515.7688 (pause 0.21) 515.9833 439 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 515.9833 in the same neighborhood. 516.9672 440 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 516.9672 (pause 1.68) 518.6494 441 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 518.6494 So it wasn't that socioeconomic 521.1673 442 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 521.1673 (pause 0.86) 522.0300 443 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 522.0300 um, 522.6501 444 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 522.6501 (pause 0.51) 523.1584 445 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 523.1584 separation that they have now, 524.9571 446 DCB_int_01 525.5493 Gotcha. 525.9643 447 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 526.0296 because we were like, 527.1673 448 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 527.1673 (pause 0.81) 527.9740 449 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 527.9740 you know, 528.2538 450 DCB_int_01 528.6688 Mm-hm. 528.9252 451 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 530.4675 kind of forced to live together. 531.7312 452 DCB_int_01 532.2534 So how did like blue collar versus 535.0838 453 DCB_int_01 535.0838 (pause 0.14) 535.2237 454 DCB_int_01 535.2237 like, white collar- How do upper middle class and 538.3233 455 DCB_int_01 538.3233 (pause 0.19) 538.5145 456 DCB_int_01 538.5145 probably working to middle- lower middle class- How did- could they afford 541.6713 457 DCB_int_01 541.6713 (pause 0.43) 542.0991 458 DCB_int_01 542.0991 to live in that neighborhood together? 543.5680 459 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 545.0787 Cause I think all hard working people 547.4242 460 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 547.4242 (pause 1.87) 549.2975 461 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 549.2975 could live 550.2254 462 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 550.2254 (pause 0.35) 550.5798 463 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 550.5798 well. 551.0368 464 DCB_int_01 551.8385 Hm. 552.1776 465 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 553.0838 No matter what they did. 554.0583 466 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 554.0583 (pause 1.70) 555.7545 467 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 555.7545 And my father actually- 557.0461 468 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 557.0461 (pause 0.19) 557.2326 469 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 557.2326 Uh, my mother w- There was another neighborhood here in DC that was a black 561.1763 470 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 561.1763 (pause 0.84) 562.0156 471 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 562.0156 upper middle class to upper- 563.4191 472 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 563.4191 (pause 0.33) 563.7502 473 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 563.7502 upper class neighborhood, 565.0978 474 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 565.0978 (pause 0.54) 565.6340 475 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 565.6340 which was- 566.3428 476 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 566.3428 (pause 0.29) 566.6354 477 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 566.6354 that we called the Gold Coast, 568.1788 478 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 568.1788 (pause 1.34) 569.5217 479 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 569.5217 which is- 570.0020 480 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 570.0020 (pause 0.18) 570.1838 481 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 570.1838 which was on Sixth- 571.2004 482 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 571.2004 (pause 0.18) 571.3822 483 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 571.3822 in the Sixth- 572.1516 484 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 572.1516 (pause 0.12) 572.2717 485 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 572.2717 off of Sixteenth Street, 573.6239 486 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 573.6239 (pause 0.43) 574.0576 487 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 574.0576 which were primarily- Now, 575.4005 488 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 575.4005 (pause 0.09) 575.4937 489 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 575.4937 I don't know if they're- I would 577.0372 490 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 577.0372 (pause 1.31) 578.3509 491 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 578.3509 pro- I would- 579.0830 492 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 579.0830 (pause 0.43) 579.5120 493 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 579.5120 Because I ended up going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 581.0274 494 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 581.0274 (pause 0.85) 581.8761 495 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 581.8761 And 582.4869 496 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 582.4869 (pause 0.14) 582.6222 497 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 582.6222 that was the area for 584.5000 498 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 584.5000 (pause 1.29) 585.7918 499 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 585.7918 that. 586.0482 500 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 586.0482 (pause 0.57) 586.6218 501 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 586.6218 I mean that was part of their 587.7922 502 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 587.7922 (pause 0.18) 587.9693 503 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 587.9693 area, so I met a lot of those 589.8858 504 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 589.8858 (pause 0.33) 590.2169 505 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 590.2169 black kids 590.9525 506 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 590.9525 (pause 0.69) 591.6379 507 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 591.6379 that grew up 592.4026 508 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 592.4026 (pause 0.36) 592.7663 509 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 592.7663 on- in the Gold Coast. 593.8621 510 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 593.8621 (pause 0.31) 594.1699 511 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 594.1699 And I 594.8740 512 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 594.8740 (pause 1.12) 595.9919 513 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 595.9919 would- 596.4022 514 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 596.4022 (pause 0.64) 597.0457 515 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 597.0457 I would guess that, 598.3886 516 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 598.3886 (pause 0.50) 598.8922 517 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 598.8922 without knowing- 599.8621 518 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 599.8621 (pause 1.39) 601.2516 519 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 601.2516 Cause I certainly didn't- The kids that I met up there, 603.3395 520 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 603.3395 (pause 0.53) 603.8664 521 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 603.8664 none of their parent- 604.7290 522 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 604.7290 (pause 0.15) 604.8782 523 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 604.8782 All of their parents were 606.1419 524 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 606.1419 (pause 1.18) 607.3216 525 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 607.3216 you know, 607.7482 526 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 607.7482 (pause 0.48) 608.2297 527 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 608.2297 doctors, lawyers, 610.3047 528 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 610.3047 (pause 0.28) 610.5891 529 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 610.5891 college professors. I mean they were all professional- 612.7154 530 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 612.7154 (pause 0.24) 612.9579 531 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 612.9579 uh, white collar 613.8205 532 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 613.8205 (pause 0.10) 613.9231 533 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 613.9231 [professionals.] 614.6820 534 DCB_int_01 613.9837 [Mm-hm.] 614.5000 535 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 615.4560 So 616.2114 536 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 616.2114 (pause 0.88) 617.0927 537 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 617.0927 m- And my father made a conscious decision- 619.5874 538 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 619.5874 (pause 0.35) 619.9359 539 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 619.9359 Because my mother wanted to live up there. 621.5493 540 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 621.5493 (pause 0.76) 622.3047 541 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 622.3047 That's where she wanted to live. 623.1767 542 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 623.1767 (pause 1.31) 624.4869 543 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 624.4869 My father did not want to live up there. 626.3649 544 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 626.3649 (pause 0.90) 627.2602 545 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 627.2602 He didn't want- 627.7312 546 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 627.7312 (pause 0.14) 627.8664 547 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 627.8664 He didn't want 628.5751 548 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 628.5751 (pause 0.31) 628.8876 549 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 628.8876 us growing up 629.7968 550 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 629.7968 (pause 1.17) 630.9672 551 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 630.9672 in that kind of bubble. 632.0257 552 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 632.0257 (pause 1.44) 633.4607 553 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 633.4607 So 634.0855 554 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 634.0855 (pause 0.26) 634.3420 555 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 634.3420 um, 634.7850 556 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 634.7850 (pause 2.48) 637.2610 557 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 637.2610 and I th- I'm sure those houses were mo- 639.0410 558 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 639.0410 (pause 0.91) 639.9503 559 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 639.9503 I don't know. They might have been the same price. I don't know. 642.1092 560 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 642.1092 (pause 0.57) 642.6781 561 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 642.6781 It's hard to say back then. 643.7086 562 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 643.7086 (pause 0.69) 644.3976 563 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 644.3976 Cause everything was so much more affordable, 646.1881 564 DCB_int_01 646.7430 [Yes.] 647.2326 565 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 646.8456 [you know?] 647.3165 566 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 647.8994 But um, 648.6874 567 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 648.6874 (pause 1.18) 649.8707 568 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 649.8707 and that's just my take on it. 651.2042 569 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 651.2042 (pause 0.10) 651.3068 570 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 651.3068 I- 651.5120 571 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 651.5120 (pause 0.31) 651.8198 572 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 651.8198 And you know, I can just say that 653.3632 573 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 653.3632 (pause 0.13) 653.4937 574 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 653.4937 because I went 654.7014 575 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 654.7014 (pause 0.14) 654.8413 576 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 654.8413 to the high school, and I met all of those black kids up there. 657.7358 577 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 657.7358 (pause 0.75) 658.4865 578 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 658.4865 And I don't know any of them that- whose parents were just 661.4988 579 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 661.4988 (pause 0.76) 662.2577 580 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 662.2577 regular, you know, 663.5400 581 DCB_int_01 664.0855 Mm. 664.2721 582 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 664.7896 blue collar workers or whatever whatever. They were all 667.9604 583 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 667.9604 (pause 0.09) 668.0537 584 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 668.0537 like, 668.3241 585 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 668.3241 (pause 0.95) 669.2789 586 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 669.2789 somebody. 669.9037 587 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 669.9037 (pause 0.62) 670.5238 588 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 670.5238 You know, white collars 671.6429 589 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 671.6429 (pause 0.64) 672.2818 590 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 672.2818 types. 672.8133 591 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 672.8133 (pause 0.66) 673.4708 592 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 673.4708 You know. 673.9418 593 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 673.9418 (pause 1.35) 675.2928 594 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 675.2928 So that might have been very unique to our neighborhood, 677.7409 595 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 677.7409 (pause 1.22) 678.9579 596 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 678.9579 but I would doubt it. 679.8671 597 DCB_int_01 680.7380 So how did this- 681.4700 598 DCB_int_01 681.4700 (pause 0.62) 682.0949 599 DCB_int_01 682.0949 Two things, and then I'm'a move on from- But how do you f- 684.5056 600 DCB_int_01 684.5056 (pause 0.28) 684.7854 601 DCB_int_01 684.7854 How do you- And I don't think- I don't know if you know, 686.8126 602 DCB_int_01 686.8126 (pause 0.41) 687.2276 603 DCB_int_01 687.2276 but how did this neighborhood emerge 689.2653 604 DCB_int_01 689.2653 (pause 0.09) 689.3585 605 DCB_int_01 689.3585 in the middle of Southeast? So Southeast historically was a very 692.4255 606 DCB_int_01 692.4255 (pause 1.08) 693.5073 607 DCB_int_01 693.5073 rundown or 694.4772 608 DCB_int_01 694.4772 (pause 0.71) 695.1860 609 DCB_int_01 695.1860 I will say lower class, 696.5289 610 DCB_int_01 696.5289 (pause 0.11) 696.6408 611 DCB_int_01 696.6408 and then you have this upper class neighborhood, 698.6587 612 DCB_int_01 698.6587 (pause 0.11) 698.7659 613 DCB_int_01 698.7659 do you kind of know how that 699.8198 614 DCB_int_01 699.8198 (pause 0.21) 700.0296 615 DCB_int_01 700.0296 oasis- 700.6218 616 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 701.5264 The only reason I could think is that 703.1397 617 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 703.1397 (pause 0.10) 703.2377 618 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 703.2377 if you go over to the neighborhood, you can see the difference in the houses. 706.2721 619 DCB_int_01 706.9622 Mm. 707.1953 620 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 708.3377 I mean, 708.7993 621 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 708.7993 (pause 0.09) 708.8879 622 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 708.8879 they are- And I'm sure- I know white people are trying to get those houses now. 712.6031 623 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 712.6031 (pause 0.63) 713.2373 624 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 713.2373 I mean they look like the houses on Sixteenth Street. 715.8905 625 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 715.8905 (pause 1.52) 717.4141 626 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 717.4141 Um, I think they even- 718.7477 627 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 718.7477 (pause 1.50) 720.2445 628 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 720.2445 I don't know what they call- I think they called it the G- They called it a whole bunch of stuff. Like, the Gold Coast of Southeast. I mean, you know, all- m- 726.7527 629 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 726.7527 (pause 0.33) 727.0838 630 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 727.0838 Whenever I told somebody that I was from Southeast, 729.1809 631 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 729.1809 (pause 0.48) 729.6659 632 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 729.6659 and then I would say I was from Hillcrest, 731.4098 633 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 731.4098 (pause 0.31) 731.7176 634 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 731.7176 they'd be like, Oh that's not Southeast. 733.2703 635 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 733.2703 (pause 0.93) 734.1971 636 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 734.1971 And I was like, Yeah. 735.3954 637 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 735.3954 (pause 0.33) 735.7265 638 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 735.7265 It is in Southeast. 736.9295 639 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 736.9295 (pause 0.74) 737.6663 640 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 737.6663 And um, 738.5895 641 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 738.5895 (pause 0.40) 738.9859 642 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 738.9859 that's the only thing that I could think because there- 741.1063 643 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 741.1063 (pause 0.21) 741.3162 644 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 741.3162 there were 741.7312 645 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 741.7312 (pause 0.87) 742.5985 646 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 742.5985 big houses. All the houses looked 744.1652 647 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 744.1652 (pause 0.16) 744.3284 648 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 744.3284 different. 744.8991 649 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 744.8991 (pause 0.85) 745.7506 650 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 745.7506 You know, they had big yards. 747.8159 651 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 747.8159 (pause 0.68) 748.4959 652 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 748.4959 You know, 749.0881 653 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 749.0881 (pause 0.14) 749.2279 654 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 749.2279 um, 749.8248 655 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 749.8248 (pause 2.93) 752.7566 656 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 752.7566 that's the only reason that I could think, and I can't think of any other 755.9507 657 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 755.9507 (pause 2.26) 758.2111 658 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 758.2111 area of Southeast- And I have to say, 759.8571 659 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 759.8571 (pause 0.14) 759.9969 660 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 759.9969 I- 760.4119 661 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 760.4119 (pause 0.11) 760.5238 662 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 760.5238 You know, because I went to school uptown and all that stuff, 762.8185 663 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 762.8185 (pause 0.12) 762.9346 664 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 762.9346 I really didn't 763.5967 665 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 763.5967 (pause 0.29) 763.8893 666 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 763.8893 get to know 764.8405 667 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 764.8405 (pause 0.26) 765.0970 668 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 765.0970 a lot of the neighborhoods. I didn't hang out- I mean you know, 767.3678 669 DCB_int_01 766.7244 [Mm.] 766.9995 670 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 767.4937 there was some- 768.0300 671 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 768.0300 (pause 0.15) 768.1792 672 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 768.1792 there was some class 769.1910 673 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 769.1910 (pause 1.53) 770.7240 674 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 770.7240 issues going on. 771.7218 675 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 771.7218 (pause 0.85) 772.5751 676 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 772.5751 You know, so I didn't really get to know- Like I- Like I don't know- I don't know this area 776.3847 677 DCB_int_01 776.6634 Mm. 776.8918 678 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 777.6612 even though I didn't- I grew up not that far from here. 779.8574 679 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 779.8574 (pause 1.20) 781.0558 680 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 781.0558 You know, I don't really know my way around in- in this area. And there parts of Southeast that I've never been to. 786.4356 681 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 786.4356 (pause 2.33) 788.7659 682 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 788.7659 You know? 789.1623 683 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 789.1623 (pause 0.85) 790.0109 684 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 790.0109 So 790.6358 685 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 790.6358 (pause 0.35) 790.9808 686 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 790.9808 um- 791.5077 687 DCB_int_01 792.7154 Describe your house. 793.7972 688 DCB_int_01 793.7972 (pause 0.40) 794.1924 689 DCB_int_01 794.1924 Like at your childhood home. 795.6146 690 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 796.7197 796.8363 691 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 796.8363 (pause 0.16) 796.9948 692 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 796.9948 Um, 797.5823 693 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 797.5823 (pause 0.97) 798.5522 694 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 798.5522 you know, everything's relative. 800.0537 695 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 800.0537 (pause 0.49) 800.5468 696 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 800.5468 A lot of people thought it was a big house. 802.1974 697 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 802.1974 (pause 0.50) 802.7010 698 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 802.7010 I mean it was- It was a big 804.1838 699 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 804.1838 (pause 0.15) 804.3377 700 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 804.3377 Tudor style house. 805.8625 701 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 805.8625 (pause 0.91) 806.7753 702 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 806.7753 Um, 807.4234 703 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 807.4234 (pause 2.49) 809.9134 704 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 809.9134 ver- a lot of 810.6968 705 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 810.6968 (pause 0.07) 810.7667 706 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 810.7667 nice 811.2050 707 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 811.2050 (pause 0.13) 811.3356 708 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 811.3356 architect- 811.8532 709 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 811.8532 (pause 0.37) 812.2250 710 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 812.2250 /tecture/- 812.7473 711 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 812.7473 (pause 0.22) 812.9664 712 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 812.9664 /texture/. 813.5400 713 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 813.5400 (pause 0.93) 814.4726 714 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 814.4726 Um, 815.0647 715 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 815.0647 (pause 2.21) 817.2703 716 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 817.2703 you know, huge yard. 818.7519 717 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 818.7519 (pause 0.20) 818.9525 718 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 818.9525 I mean really big yard. 820.0855 719 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 820.0855 (pause 0.61) 820.6917 720 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 820.6917 And I'm not real good with 821.8517 721 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 821.8517 (pause 0.70) 822.5522 722 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 822.5522 you know, measuring or whatever. 824.0805 723 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 824.0805 (pause 0.23) 824.3136 724 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 824.3136 Sat up on a hill, 825.5260 725 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 825.5260 (pause 1.35) 826.8736 726 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 826.8736 a big hill, 827.8295 727 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 827.8295 (pause 0.95) 828.7807 728 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 828.7807 um, 829.4102 729 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 829.4102 (pause 2.01) 831.4187 730 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 831.4187 had a lot of character to it. 833.2186 731 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 833.2186 (pause 0.31) 833.5310 732 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 833.5310 Um, 833.9693 733 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 833.9693 (pause 1.97) 835.9406 734 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 835.9406 you know, had a 836.7240 735 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 836.7240 (pause 0.13) 836.8499 736 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 836.8499 big 837.1017 737 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 837.1017 (pause 1.17) 838.2721 738 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 838.2721 living room, a big 839.4841 739 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 839.4841 (pause 0.12) 839.6056 740 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 839.6056 dining room, a big kitchen before there were a lot of um, 842.3661 741 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 842.3661 (pause 0.95) 843.3162 742 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 843.3162 big kitchens. 844.4353 743 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 844.4353 (pause 0.24) 844.6777 744 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 844.6777 Nice basement. 845.9087 745 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 845.9087 (pause 0.29) 846.2025 746 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 846.2025 Um, 846.7481 747 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 846.7481 (pause 0.93) 847.6806 748 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 847.6806 three- 848.0723 749 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 848.0723 (pause 0.26) 848.3276 750 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 848.3276 three bedrooms, 849.6426 751 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 849.6426 (pause 0.69) 850.3327 752 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 850.3327 big /attic/. 851.2699 753 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 851.2699 (pause 0.72) 851.9880 754 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 851.9880 Had one- just one bathroom. We all shared a bathroom. 854.7799 755 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 854.7799 (pause 0.89) 855.6705 756 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 855.6705 Um, 856.3140 757 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 856.3140 (pause 0.24) 856.5565 758 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 856.5565 and all the houses were different. 857.9181 759 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 857.9181 (pause 0.11) 858.0300 760 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 858.0300 There were no h- 858.6222 761 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 858.6222 (pause 0.09) 858.7107 762 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 858.7107 no house- 859.4615 763 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 859.4615 (pause 0.27) 859.7319 764 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 859.7319 There was no- 860.5000 765 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 860.5000 (pause 2.21) 862.7104 766 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 862.7104 I mean, 863.1720 767 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 863.1720 (pause 0.32) 863.4937 768 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 863.4937 no single house was exactly 865.1304 769 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 865.1304 (pause 0.32) 865.4522 770 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 865.4522 like the other house. 866.4628 771 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 866.4628 (pause 0.60) 867.0644 772 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 867.0644 I mean even in some of the other areas like Brookland- I don't know if you're familiar with [Brookland, where] /Catholic/ is? 871.7273 773 DCB_int_01 870.7620 [Mm-hm.] 871.0232 774 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 872.3323 And I- When I first got married, I lived in a house, 874.4772 775 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 874.4772 (pause 0.52) 874.9995 776 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 874.9995 like a colonial style house there, 876.8133 777 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 876.8133 (pause 1.15) 877.9593 778 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 877.9593 which by the way, now 879.2089 779 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 879.2089 (pause 0.60) 879.8104 780 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 879.8104 is going for 880.9202 781 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 880.9202 (pause 0.34) 881.2606 782 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 881.2606 seven hundred thousand dollars, 882.8040 783 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 882.8040 (pause 0.48) 883.2889 784 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 883.2889 and it's a little house. 884.3241 785 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 884.3241 (pause 1.16) 885.4794 786 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 885.4794 Um, to me it was a little house, 886.8689 787 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 886.8689 (pause 0.09) 886.9575 788 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 886.9575 compared to the house that I grew up in. 888.5289 789 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 888.5289 (pause 0.61) 889.1397 790 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 889.1397 And 889.8718 791 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 889.8718 (pause 1.37) 891.2369 792 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 891.2369 those houses, 892.0482 793 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 892.0482 (pause 0.65) 892.6964 794 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 892.6964 they're cookie cutter. 893.5730 795 DCB_int_01 893.6849 Mm-hm. 894.1792 796 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 895.8846 You know, but then that- that is also another neighborhood 898.4679 797 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 898.4679 (pause 0.31) 898.7803 798 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 898.7803 that was a- 899.3352 799 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 899.3352 (pause 0.30) 899.6336 800 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 899.6336 uh- 899.8854 801 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 899.8854 (pause 0.15) 900.0346 802 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 900.0346 that- 900.2678 803 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 900.2678 (pause 0.46) 900.7294 804 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 900.7294 and- 900.9905 805 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 900.9905 (pause 0.35) 901.3391 806 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 901.3391 Well actually, that's not- that wasn't Brookland. It was Michigan Park, 903.8990 807 DCB_int_01 904.6171 [Mm-hm.] 904.9575 808 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 904.6218 [which is] right next to Brookland. 906.0766 809 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 906.9392 Um, 907.4382 810 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 907.4382 (pause 1.50) 908.9385 811 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 908.9385 that's another 909.7358 812 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 909.7358 (pause 0.97) 910.7010 813 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 910.7010 upper middle class black neighborhood too. I mean- 913.0465 814 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 913.0465 (pause 0.42) 913.4708 815 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 913.4708 I'm sorry. 913.9371 816 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 913.9371 (pause 0.93) 914.8639 817 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 914.8639 Upper middle cl- Yeah, upper middle class, 916.7104 818 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 916.7104 (pause 0.49) 917.2000 819 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 917.2000 I would say. 917.7968 820 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 917.7968 (pause 0.68) 918.4729 821 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 918.4729 Middle class to upper middle class black neighborhood, 920.6260 822 DCB_int_01 920.9151 [Now?] 921.3675 823 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 920.9338 [which-] 921.2462 824 DCB_int_01 921.7918 Or before. 922.3980 825 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 923.4891 When I was growing up 924.5009 826 DCB_int_01 924.6688 [Oh.] 924.8926 827 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 924.6781 [w-] it was. Now, it's gentrifying, 926.7240 828 DCB_int_01 926.9664 Mm. 927.2089 829 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 927.2416 like everything else. You see m- almost more white people over there than you- 930.1652 830 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 930.1652 (pause 0.13) 930.2911 831 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 930.2911 than you see- saw black people- 931.9138 832 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 931.9138 (pause 0.38) 932.2950 833 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 932.2950 see black people. 933.2182 834 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 933.2182 (pause 0.33) 933.5493 835 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 933.5493 And that's why the- the hous- pricing- 935.3305 836 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 935.3305 (pause 0.22) 935.5544 837 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 935.5544 the housing prices have gone up 936.9719 838 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 936.9719 (pause 0.13) 937.1024 839 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 937.1024 is what I'm saying. I mean that was a little- 938.6307 840 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 938.6307 (pause 1.06) 939.6939 841 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 939.6939 I mean, 940.0949 842 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 940.0949 (pause 0.88) 940.9715 843 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 940.9715 you know, those houses are 942.0673 844 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 942.0673 (pause 0.34) 942.4030 845 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 942.4030 942.6641 846 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 942.6641 (pause 0.30) 942.9625 847 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 942.9625 you know. 943.3123 848 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 943.3123 (pause 2.15) 945.4654 849 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 945.4654 And even the school systems haven't caught up with those neighborhoods, 948.3750 850 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 948.3750 (pause 0.42) 948.7947 851 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 948.7947 I wouldn't- I wouldn't 949.7972 852 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 949.7972 (pause 0.16) 949.9593 853 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 949.9593 /stink/. 950.6540 854 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 950.6540 (pause 0.89) 951.5400 855 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 951.5400 You know. 951.9876 856 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 951.9876 (pause 1.31) 953.2979 857 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 953.2979 953.4378 858 DCB_int_01 953.4378 Are [houses] in Hillcrest 954.9299 859 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 953.6056 [Um-] 953.9600 860 DCB_int_01 955.8438 kind of going that same 957.1203 861 DCB_int_01 957.1203 (pause 0.43) 957.5540 862 DCB_int_01 957.5540 like market? Or looking at the market, is it 959.5683 863 DCB_int_01 959.5683 (pause 0.45) 960.0206 864 DCB_int_01 960.0206 reaching Southeast in that same way? 961.8811 865 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 962.3649 I think so. 963.0784 866 DCB_int_01 963.3441 Mm. 963.5866 867 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 963.7358 I don't think that people have gotten across the bridge quite as much 966.5522 868 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 966.5522 (pause 0.36) 966.9159 869 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 966.9159 because it is across the bridge. 968.6167 870 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 968.6167 (pause 2.63) 971.2419 871 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 971.2419 But give 'em time. 972.1512 872 DCB_int_01 972.9066 Mm. 973.2656 873 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 974.7193 [You know.] 975.0364 874 DCB_int_01 974.7380 [Are you an] only child? 975.8291 875 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 975.8757 No I have two brothers. 977.1300 876 DCB_int_01 977.7828 Okay, so how was it growing up? Are you the youngest, oldest, middle? 980.3183 877 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 980.4209 I'm the middle. 981.0644 878 DCB_int_01 981.6379 Oh, you're the middle. So how was it growing up 983.9600 879 DCB_int_01 983.9600 (pause 0.16) 984.1186 880 DCB_int_01 984.1186 with- 984.4170 881 DCB_int_01 984.4170 (pause 0.42) 984.8366 882 DCB_int_01 984.8366 What's the age difference? 986.0537 883 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 986.2064 We were all two years apart. 987.3768 884 DCB_int_01 987.8664 Oh, step- 988.3467 885 DCB_int_01 988.3467 (pause 0.29) 988.6404 886 DCB_int_01 988.6404 like [step-] 989.2186 887 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 988.9855 [Mm-hm.] 989.4564 888 DCB_int_01 989.9367 And how was that? Did y'all play together? What types of games did y'all play? 993.2229 889 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 993.3488 We played together in the house. 994.8363 890 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 994.8363 (pause 0.75) 995.5823 891 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 995.5823 We fought a lot. 996.3937 892 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 996.3937 (pause 0.55) 996.9392 893 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 996.9392 But see the kid- There were lots of kids in that neighborhood, which is totally different than the way my- 1000.5285 894 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1000.5285 (pause 0.19) 1000.7197 895 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1000.7197 my daughter is growing up 1001.8155 896 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1001.8155 (pause 0.36) 1002.1792 897 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1002.1792 because 1002.7900 898 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1002.7900 (pause 0.14) 1002.9252 899 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1002.9252 um, 1003.3869 900 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1003.3869 (pause 1.59) 1004.9804 901 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1004.9804 you know, first of all, I was a si- I'm a single- 1007.1487 902 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1007.1487 (pause 0.28) 1007.4285 903 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1007.4285 I was a single 1008.2631 904 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1008.2631 (pause 0.24) 1008.5056 905 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1008.5056 parent. 1008.9486 906 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1008.9486 (pause 0.20) 1009.1491 907 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1009.1491 And 1009.4836 908 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1009.4836 (pause 0.09) 1009.5769 909 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1009.5769 also it's just, 1010.5328 910 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1010.5328 (pause 0.74) 1011.2742 911 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1011.2742 you know, I couldn't afford to live 1012.9901 912 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1012.9901 (pause 0.84) 1013.8341 913 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1013.8341 the- a lot of the places that I wanted to live. And then she- 1016.5000 914 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1016.5000 (pause 0.68) 1017.1809 915 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1017.1809 I definitely sent her to schools, I- 1018.6964 916 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1018.6964 (pause 0.58) 1019.2792 917 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1019.2792 You know, 1019.6383 918 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1019.6383 (pause 0.33) 1019.9693 919 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1019.9693 she never- 1020.4123 920 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1020.4123 (pause 0.23) 1020.6408 921 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1020.6408 she- 1020.9346 922 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1020.9346 (pause 0.15) 1021.0838 923 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1021.0838 her- 1021.3775 924 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1021.3775 (pause 0.49) 1021.8707 925 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1021.8707 Only for one moment did she go to a school 1024.2254 926 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1024.2254 (pause 0.58) 1024.8083 927 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1024.8083 in the neighborhood we lived in, and that's only because I moved 1027.8240 928 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1027.8240 (pause 0.15) 1027.9732 929 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1027.9732 to the neighborhood to get her into the school. 1030.0296 930 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1030.0296 (pause 0.53) 1030.5565 931 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1030.5565 I moved 1031.3632 932 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1031.3632 (pause 0.21) 1031.5683 933 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1031.5683 to a- 1032.1372 934 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1032.1372 (pause 0.53) 1032.6641 935 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1032.6641 an apartment 1033.2423 936 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1033.2423 (pause 0.40) 1033.6375 937 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1033.6375 to get her into the school, and then 1035.7638 938 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1035.7638 (pause 1.26) 1037.0228 939 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1037.0228 I bought a house (laughing). 1037.9554 940 DCB_int_01 1038.9579 [/Inaudible./] 1039.3822 941 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1038.9719 [So], th- and that was the only time in her life that she- 1042.5005 942 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1043.9880 And that was a short span of her life, she was very young- that she lived in 1047.6799 943 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1047.6799 (pause 0.77) 1048.4539 944 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1048.4539 a neighborhood where she went to school. So 1050.2678 945 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1050.2678 (pause 1.01) 1051.2796 946 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1051.2796 I had 1051.9499 947 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1051.9499 (pause 0.21) 1052.1644 948 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1052.1644 a- 1052.4768 949 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1052.4768 (pause 0.15) 1052.6260 950 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1052.6260 I grew up in a very 1053.8897 951 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1053.8897 (pause 0.16) 1054.0529 952 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1054.0529 robust 1055.0041 953 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1055.0041 (pause 0.24) 1055.2466 954 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1055.2466 neighborhood, with children, lots of children. 1057.2831 955 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1057.2831 (pause 1.39) 1058.6727 956 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1058.6727 And 1059.2276 957 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1059.2276 (pause 0.21) 1059.4374 958 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1059.4374 we um, 1060.2974 959 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1060.2974 (pause 1.43) 1061.7315 960 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1061.7315 1061.8714 961 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1061.8714 (pause 0.05) 1061.9227 962 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1061.9227 played outside a lot, and as 1063.4475 963 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1063.4475 (pause 0.16) 1063.6049 964 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1063.6049 you probably heard from older people, 1065.3535 965 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1065.3535 (pause 0.56) 1065.9177 966 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1065.9177 we could go outside and play forever 1067.9554 967 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1067.9554 (pause 0.77) 1068.7294 968 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1068.7294 until it was dark. I mean that stuff about the- 1070.6587 969 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1070.6587 (pause 0.39) 1071.0457 970 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1071.0457 the um- 1071.6472 971 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1071.6472 (pause 0.20) 1071.8431 972 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1071.8431 What do you call it? 1072.3840 973 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1072.3840 (pause 0.73) 1073.1160 974 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1073.1160 The night light? 1073.7595 975 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1073.7595 (pause 0.27) 1074.0253 976 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1074.0253 The um, 1074.5382 977 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1074.5382 (pause 0.92) 1075.4568 978 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1075.4568 1075.5407 979 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1075.5407 (pause 0.15) 1075.6888 980 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1075.6888 playing until the- 1076.4489 981 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1076.4489 (pause 0.22) 1076.6727 982 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1076.6727 til the- 1077.0784 983 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1077.0784 (pause 0.18) 1077.2602 984 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1077.2602 the- 1077.5120 985 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1077.5120 (pause 0.21) 1077.7172 986 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1077.7172 the lights 1078.4213 987 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1078.4213 (pause 0.56) 1078.9855 988 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1078.9855 came on 1079.5683 989 DCB_int_01 1079.6802 Mm. 1079.8901 990 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1080.0346 was true. 1080.6361 991 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1080.6361 (pause 0.87) 1081.5081 992 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1081.5081 Our parents didn't know where we were. 1082.6913 993 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1082.6913 (pause 1.40) 1084.0902 994 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1084.0902 We didn't have cell phones. 1085.2746 995 DCB_int_01 1085.6103 [] 1087.5183 996 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1086.1092 [You know?] 1086.5709 997 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1086.5709 (pause 0.45) 1087.0232 998 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1087.0232 [They couldn't-] 1087.6573 999 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1088.3789 But 1088.7240 1000 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1088.7240 (pause 0.19) 1088.9151 1001 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1088.9151 they let us go. I mean we would go all over the place and do whatever we wanted until it was time to come home. 1093.8112 1002 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1093.8112 (pause 0.84) 1094.6540 1003 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1094.6540 And there were 1095.4001 1004 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1095.4001 (pause 1.13) 1096.5285 1005 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1096.5285 oh, t- tons of us. 1098.0160 1006 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1098.0160 (pause 1.56) 1099.5780 1007 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1099.5780 You know, and we would just all go and play. 1101.3301 1008 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1101.3301 (pause 0.47) 1101.7964 1009 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1101.7964 And my b- 1102.1555 1010 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1102.1555 (pause 0.47) 1102.6264 1011 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1102.6264 You know, so I had my girlfriends, and my brothers had their friends, but 1106.2495 1012 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1106.2495 (pause 0.93) 1107.1809 1013 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1107.1809 the times we were stuck in the house, 1108.7896 1014 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1108.7896 (pause 2.16) 1110.9532 1015 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1110.9532 1111.0511 1016 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1111.0511 (pause 0.07) 1111.1164 1017 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1111.1164 we would um- 1112.0210 1018 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1112.0210 (pause 0.24) 1112.2577 1019 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1112.2577 we would play together. 1113.1203 1020 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1113.1203 (pause 1.00) 1114.1182 1021 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1114.1182 And we, you know- 1115.1533 1022 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1115.1533 (pause 0.50) 1115.6523 1023 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1115.6523 I- I 1116.1885 1024 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1116.1885 (pause 1.52) 1117.7039 1025 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1117.7039 you know, 1117.9604 1026 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1117.9604 (pause 1.04) 1119.0037 1027 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1119.0037 pretty much grew up like a boy because I had two [brothers.] 1121.3352 1028 DCB_int_01 1121.1813 [Mm-hm.] 1121.6429 1029 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1121.6756 So I basically had to do the types of things that they did. 1124.2728 1030 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1124.2728 (pause 0.94) 1125.2089 1031 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1125.2089 And if I didn't, then they would tease me, 1127.4285 1032 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1127.4285 (pause 0.62) 1128.0486 1033 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1128.0486 you know, and say I was a sissy 1129.3123 1034 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1129.3123 (pause 0.44) 1129.7541 1035 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1129.7541 or something like that, 1130.6121 1036 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1130.6121 (pause 0.14) 1130.7566 1037 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1130.7566 so. 1131.2416 1038 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1131.2416 (pause 0.55) 1131.7871 1039 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1131.7871 But we fought a lot too. 1132.9155 1040 DCB_int_01 1133.1114 1134.1465 1041 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1134.1419 We did a lot of fighting. 1135.1491 1042 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1135.8438 Yeah. 1136.1423 1043 DCB_int_01 1136.7706 Did y'all have TV? 1137.6192 1044 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1138.3233 We had TV. 1139.1020 1045 DCB_int_01 1139.2886 [Black and white or color?] 1140.3750 1046 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1139.2932 [I'm not that- I'm not that-] I'm not that old. 1142.5000 1047 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1143.5027 Um, I think that we- 1144.8969 1048 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1144.8969 (pause 0.73) 1145.6243 1049 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1145.6243 Oh, God. I'm sure at some point- 1147.3729 1050 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1147.3729 (pause 0.23) 1147.6060 1051 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1147.6060 Whatever- 1148.0945 1052 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1148.0945 (pause 0.11) 1148.2064 1053 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1148.2064 Whenever it was, I'm s- 1149.5260 1054 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1149.5260 (pause 0.26) 1149.7871 1055 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1149.7871 I'm sure that I- 1150.9575 1056 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1150.9575 (pause 1.17) 1152.1279 1057 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1152.1279 It started out being black and white, 1153.5874 1058 DCB_int_01 1153.8893 Mm. 1154.0758 1059 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1154.3836 and then at some point, we got color. But 1156.2021 1060 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1156.2021 (pause 0.21) 1156.4119 1061 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1156.4119 um, 1156.7010 1062 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1156.7010 (pause 0.32) 1157.0228 1063 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1157.0228 yeah we had TV. But we only had- 1158.3470 1064 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1158.3470 (pause 0.85) 1159.1957 1065 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1159.1957 What? F- 1159.5547 1066 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1159.5547 (pause 0.52) 1160.0770 1067 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1160.0770 Three channels? ABC, NBC, and CBS. 1162.7430 1068 DCB_int_01 1164.2864 Hm. 1164.6035 1069 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1164.7714 And we didn't have remotes. 1166.0933 1070 DCB_int_01 1166.4349 Mm, 1166.6074 1071 DCB_int_01 1166.6074 (pause 0.10) 1166.7100 1072 DCB_int_01 1166.7100 we had- You were the remote? 1167.7032 1073 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1168.2767 We were the remote. [We had to get up] and 1169.6010 1074 DCB_int_01 1168.9482 [Mm-hm.] 1169.4098 1075 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1169.7362 turn it. 1170.1046 1076 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1170.1046 (pause 0.75) 1170.8506 1077 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1170.8506 And um, 1171.7832 1078 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1171.7832 (pause 1.18) 1172.9618 1079 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1172.9618 1173.0364 1080 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1173.0364 (pause 0.60) 1173.6332 1081 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1173.6332 you know, we- 1174.2487 1082 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1174.2487 (pause 0.14) 1174.3886 1083 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1174.3886 There were only a few shows 1175.7875 1084 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1175.7875 (pause 1.09) 1176.8786 1085 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1176.8786 um, that we could watch. 1178.4862 1086 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1178.4862 (pause 1.34) 1179.8244 1087 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1179.8244 And then TV went off at a certain time, 1182.0300 1088 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1182.0300 (pause 1.30) 1183.3263 1089 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1183.3263 like around- I don't know, midnight? 1184.7613 1090 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1184.7613 (pause 0.14) 1184.9058 1091 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1184.9058 I don't know. It was long before we went to bed- long after we went to bed, 1188.0813 1092 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1188.0813 (pause 1.13) 1189.2143 1093 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1189.2143 so. 1189.6340 1094 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1189.6340 (pause 0.91) 1190.5421 1095 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1190.5421 Yeah. 1190.9291 1096 DCB_int_01 1191.2789 What elementary schools 1192.5052 1097 DCB_int_01 1192.5052 (pause 0.23) 1192.7337 1098 DCB_int_01 1192.7337 did you go to? 1193.5310 1099 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1194.3564 1194.4496 1100 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1194.4496 (pause 0.10) 1194.5522 1101 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1194.5522 I went to the neighborhood elementary school, 1196.5000 1102 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1196.5000 (pause 0.54) 1197.0410 1103 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1197.0410 which was called /RD-SCHOOL-2/ until the fifth- 1199.1020 1104 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1199.1020 (pause 0.34) 1199.4378 1105 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1199.4378 until the 1200.4683 1106 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1200.4683 (pause 1.79) 1202.2623 1107 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1202.2623 I guess it was the fifth grade. 1203.6705 1108 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1203.6705 (pause 0.20) 1203.8664 1109 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1203.8664 And then my parents- And then we went to 1205.9274 1110 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1205.9274 (pause 0.15) 1206.0813 1111 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1206.0813 um- 1206.4869 1112 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1206.4869 (pause 0.44) 1206.9299 1113 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1206.9299 Then my parents 1207.8438 1114 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1207.8438 (pause 0.15) 1207.9966 1115 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1207.9966 sent us to /RD-SCHOOL-4/. 1209.9596 1116 DCB_int_01 1211.5357 Was that different? 1212.1885 1117 DCB_int_01 1212.1885 (pause 0.32) 1212.5056 1118 DCB_int_01 1212.5056 Was it a 1212.8320 1119 DCB_int_01 1212.8320 (pause 0.22) 1213.0558 1120 DCB_int_01 1213.0558 big- 1213.2750 1121 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1213.5780 It was a culture shock. There were no black kids t- I mean that's one of the k- that- If 1216.7430 1122 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1216.7430 (pause 0.39) 1217.1300 1123 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1217.1300 you don't know, that's one of the sc- 1218.1559 1124 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1218.1559 (pause 0.32) 1218.4729 1125 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1218.4729 one of the three schools that the Obamas looked at 1221.0037 1126 DCB_int_01 1222.6637 [/RD-SCHOOL-3/.] 1223.3865 1127 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1222.9808 [when they] came here. 1223.8435 1128 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1223.9367 /RD-SCHOOL-3/. There's /RD-SCHOOL-2/, 1225.8858 1129 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1225.8858 (pause 0.49) 1226.3743 1130 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1226.3743 and where they ended up is /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 1227.9223 1131 DCB_int_01 1228.2487 Right. 1228.4819 1132 DCB_int_01 1228.4819 (pause 0.72) 1229.2000 1133 DCB_int_01 1229.2000 So 1229.7269 1134 DCB_int_01 1229.7269 (pause 0.76) 1230.4823 1135 DCB_int_01 1230.4823 when you went to- 1231.4428 1136 DCB_int_01 1231.4428 (pause 0.39) 1231.8287 1137 DCB_int_01 1231.8287 Compare your experience from what you can remember from /RD-SCHOOL-3/ to 1235.4891 1138 DCB_int_01 1235.4891 (pause 0.21) 1235.6989 1139 DCB_int_01 1235.6989 /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 1236.4170 1140 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1236.8740 Well /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was all black 1238.2950 1141 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1238.2950 (pause 0.78) 1239.0737 1142 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1239.0737 with all- 1239.5120 1143 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1239.5120 (pause 0.14) 1239.6519 1144 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1239.6519 mainly all black teachers. 1241.2326 1145 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1241.2326 (pause 0.25) 1241.4844 1146 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1241.4844 /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was all white 1242.8553 1147 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1242.8553 (pause 0.93) 1243.7879 1148 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1243.7879 pretty much. 1244.4442 1149 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1244.4442 (pause 0.45) 1244.8965 1150 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1244.8965 And Jewish 1245.7172 1151 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1245.7172 (pause 1.38) 1247.0927 1152 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1247.0927 because it was started by a Jewish- 1248.7873 1153 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1248.7873 (pause 1.62) 1250.4116 1154 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1250.4116 I don't know which Jewish school. 1251.9083 1155 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1251.9083 (pause 0.53) 1252.4353 1156 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1252.4353 Cause we had to celebrate Jewish holidays. 1254.5429 1157 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1254.5429 (pause 1.24) 1255.7786 1158 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1255.7786 We didn't even celebrate Christian holidays. We celebrated Jewish holidays. 1258.9852 1159 DCB_int_01 1259.2093 Mm. 1259.4937 1160 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1259.6802 And um, 1260.7201 1161 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1260.7201 (pause 0.95) 1261.6702 1162 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1261.6702 so we had 1263.2089 1163 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1263.2089 (pause 2.08) 1265.2886 1164 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1265.2886 rich kids. 1266.2724 1165 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1266.2724 (pause 2.70) 1268.9711 1166 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1268.9711 Rich white kids. 1270.0622 1167 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1270.0622 (pause 0.68) 1270.7430 1168 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1270.7430 Jewish. 1271.2559 1169 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1271.2559 (pause 0.96) 1272.2165 1170 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1272.2165 And 1273.0931 1171 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1273.0931 (pause 0.61) 1273.7075 1172 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1273.7075 a handful of black kids in each class. 1276.0995 1173 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1276.0995 (pause 1.89) 1277.9880 1174 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1277.9880 Maybe 1278.5102 1175 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1278.5102 (pause 1.90) 1280.4069 1176 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1280.4069 /uh/ four of us. 1281.8431 1177 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1281.8431 (pause 0.76) 1282.5985 1178 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1282.5985 I don't know. 1283.2140 1179 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1283.2140 (pause 0.71) 1283.9227 1180 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1283.9227 Five per class, something like that. 1285.7133 1181 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1285.7133 (pause 0.64) 1286.3556 1182 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1286.3556 And then we had 1287.3488 1183 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1287.3488 (pause 0.13) 1287.4794 1184 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1287.4794 um- 1288.2167 1185 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1288.2167 (pause 2.14) 1290.3610 1186 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1290.3610 1290.4636 1187 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1290.4636 (pause 0.57) 1291.0325 1188 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1291.0325 And of course the black kids were not- 1292.8545 1189 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1292.8545 (pause 1.92) 1294.7710 1190 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1294.7710 There were some- 1295.5870 1191 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1295.5870 (pause 0.23) 1295.8201 1192 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1295.8201 That were some black kids that 1297.3216 1193 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1297.3216 (pause 0.10) 1297.4242 1194 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1297.4242 were 1297.8858 1195 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1297.8858 (pause 1.16) 1299.0504 1196 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1299.0504 prominent. 1299.9363 1197 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1299.9363 (pause 2.74) 1302.6781 1198 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1302.6781 You know, when you're a kid, you don't really know that stuff, 1304.7114 1199 DCB_int_01 1304.7799 [Mm.] 1305.0457 1200 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1304.7986 [but then] when you get older, you start hearing 1307.2932 1201 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1308.5056 you know, 1308.9392 1202 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1308.9392 (pause 0.28) 1309.2190 1203 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1309.2190 this is /da- da- da-/ 1309.9837 1204 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1309.9837 (pause 0.35) 1310.3323 1205 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1310.3323 I mean the people that I can remember that went there- I don't know if you remember Al Gore? 1314.2445 1206 DCB_int_01 1314.5895 Mm-hm. 1314.9719 1207 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1315.0325 He was 1315.4428 1208 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1315.4428 (pause 0.29) 1315.7354 1209 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1315.7354 vice president to 1316.9991 1210 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1316.9991 (pause 0.90) 1317.9037 1211 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1317.9037 Carter? 1318.3280 1212 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1318.3280 (pause 0.27) 1318.5938 1213 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1318.5938 No. 1318.7803 1214 DCB_int_01 1319.5137 [Clinton?] 1319.9175 1215 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1319.5917 [No, it wasn't-] I'm get- I get Al Gore mixed up with- 1321.9464 1216 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1322.8079 1322.9291 1217 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1322.9291 (pause 0.56) 1323.4887 1218 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1323.4887 This guy was Carter's 1324.7150 1219 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1324.7150 (pause 0.26) 1324.9762 1220 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1324.9762 vice president. 1325.8295 1221 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1325.8295 (pause 1.33) 1327.1584 1222 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1327.1584 I don't know why I get them two mixed up, and I can't remember his name because uh, he- 1330.6078 1223 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1330.6078 (pause 1.57) 1332.1792 1224 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1332.1792 I wanna say Mondale. 1333.5361 1225 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1333.5361 (pause 1.34) 1334.8778 1226 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1334.8778 You wouldn't remember. 1335.6286 1227 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1335.6286 (pause 0.11) 1335.7358 1228 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1335.7358 But Mondale- I think it was Mondale. 1337.7036 1229 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1337.7036 (pause 0.80) 1338.5056 1230 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1338.5056 Yeah, and then he ran for president. 1339.9732 1231 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1339.9732 (pause 0.24) 1340.2157 1232 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1340.2157 His 1340.5421 1233 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1340.5421 (pause 0.10) 1340.6447 1234 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1340.6447 d- daughter went- 1341.2602 1235 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1341.2602 (pause 0.13) 1341.3908 1236 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1341.3908 His kids went there, and then you had um- 1344.1372 1237 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1344.1372 (pause 2.24) 1346.3743 1238 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1346.3743 There was this guy name- And the only reason I know this was because uh- 1349.6942 1239 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1349.6942 (pause 0.31) 1350.0067 1240 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1350.0067 1350.1792 1241 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1350.1792 (pause 0.08) 1350.2631 1242 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1350.2631 There was this guy named /RD-NAME-6/. 1352.5514 1243 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1352.5514 (pause 1.57) 1354.1236 1244 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1354.1236 He was the fir- Anyway, 1355.2567 1245 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1355.2567 (pause 0.26) 1355.5131 1246 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1355.5131 his daughter, /RD-NAME-2/- 1356.6835 1247 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1356.6835 (pause 0.29) 1356.9773 1248 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1356.9773 Well, they don't call her /RD-NAME-2/. Her name is /RD-NAME-4/. 1359.1863 1249 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1359.1863 (pause 0.42) 1359.6106 1250 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1359.6106 She wrote p- 1360.3567 1251 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1360.3567 (pause 0.14) 1360.4966 1252 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1360.4966 She read 1361.1587 1253 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1361.1587 (pause 0.93) 1362.0913 1254 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1362.0913 um, 1362.7068 1255 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1362.7068 (pause 0.27) 1362.9761 1256 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1362.9761 the poem at Obama's inauguration. Okay. 1365.4428 1257 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1365.4428 (pause 0.31) 1365.7552 1258 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1365.7552 So she went there, 1366.7997 1259 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1366.7997 (pause 1.31) 1368.1146 1260 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1368.1146 but her dad was 1369.6720 1261 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1369.6720 (pause 0.18) 1369.8527 1262 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1369.8527 um- 1370.4123 1263 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1370.4123 (pause 2.90) 1373.3173 1264 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1373.3173 1373.4338 1265 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1373.4338 (pause 0.36) 1373.7975 1266 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1373.7975 He was something like the first 1375.2384 1267 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1375.2384 (pause 0.17) 1375.4098 1268 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1375.4098 black 1376.1139 1269 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1376.1139 (pause 3.39) 1379.5084 1270 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1379.5084 secretary of the- 1381.1918 1271 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1381.1918 (pause 1.47) 1382.6641 1272 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1382.6641 You know, he was like in some 1383.6619 1273 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1383.6619 (pause 0.18) 1383.8438 1274 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1383.8438 presidential cam- 1384.6878 1275 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1384.6878 (pause 0.14) 1384.8323 1276 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1384.8323 uh, [cabinet.] 1385.9188 1277 DCB_int_01 1385.6157 [Hm.] 1385.9141 1278 DCB_int_01 1386.1286 Mm-hm. 1386.4643 1279 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1386.6602 So it was some black kids like that 1388.6734 1280 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1388.6734 (pause 0.34) 1389.0091 1281 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1389.0091 that were there. 1389.7226 1282 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1389.7226 (pause 0.95) 1390.6691 1283 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1390.6691 But then you had 1391.6810 1284 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1391.6810 (pause 0.16) 1391.8442 1285 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1391.8442 some black kids who were- Like I- 1394.0579 1286 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1394.0579 (pause 0.19) 1394.2491 1287 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1394.2491 Like one of my friends, one of my best friends, 1396.7531 1288 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1396.7531 (pause 1.22) 1397.9747 1289 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1397.9747 and then you had some black kids whose parents were 1400.2910 1290 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1400.2910 (pause 0.36) 1400.6548 1291 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1400.6548 like my parents, you know. They were 1402.7577 1292 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1402.7577 (pause 0.42) 1403.1820 1293 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1403.1820 lawyers, 1404.1659 1294 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1404.1659 (pause 0.76) 1404.9213 1295 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1404.9213 um, 1405.5042 1296 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1405.5042 (pause 0.94) 1406.4403 1297 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1406.4403 1406.5335 1298 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1406.5335 (pause 0.04) 1406.5755 1299 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1406.5755 and then you had 1407.5267 1300 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1407.5267 (pause 0.09) 1407.6153 1301 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1407.6153 um- 1408.1749 1302 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1408.1749 (pause 1.36) 1409.5364 1303 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1409.5364 You know Ben's Chili Bowl? 1410.7301 1304 DCB_int_01 1411.0192 Mm-hm. 1411.3876 1305 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1411.9180 Okay, the guy- So, 1413.1817 1306 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1413.1817 (pause 1.79) 1414.9676 1307 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1414.9676 uh, 1415.3872 1308 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1415.3872 (pause 0.11) 1415.4991 1309 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1415.4991 /RD-NAME-4/- 1416.4737 1310 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1416.4737 (pause 0.30) 1416.7768 1311 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1416.7768 /RD-NAME-2/, 1417.1918 1312 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1417.1918 (pause 0.72) 1417.9087 1313 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1417.9087 the family that 1418.7154 1314 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1418.7154 (pause 0.13) 1418.8459 1315 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1418.8459 ran that, 1419.2749 1316 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1419.2749 (pause 0.15) 1419.4241 1317 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1419.4241 they went there. 1420.1655 1318 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1420.1655 (pause 1.86) 1422.0260 1319 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1422.0260 And then you had 1423.1032 1320 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1423.1032 (pause 0.19) 1423.2885 1321 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1423.2885 um- But then you had like, 1424.6175 1322 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1424.6175 (pause 0.78) 1425.3962 1323 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1425.3962 some black kids that were probably on- You know, you- 1428.0569 1324 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1428.0569 (pause 0.11) 1428.1659 1325 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1428.1659 you don't have any way of knowing this, but they probably got 1430.3936 1326 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1430.3936 (pause 0.25) 1430.6408 1327 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1430.6408 some 1430.9718 1328 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1430.9718 (pause 0.99) 1431.9604 1329 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1431.9604 scholarship, 1432.6831 1330 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1432.6831 (pause 0.72) 1433.4059 1331 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1433.4059 and they mighta been really smart. 1434.6788 1332 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1434.6788 (pause 1.31) 1435.9880 1333 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1435.9880 But there parents weren't, 1437.0324 1334 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1437.0324 (pause 0.38) 1437.4148 1335 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1437.4148 you know- 1437.7692 1336 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1437.7692 (pause 0.99) 1438.7624 1337 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1438.7624 Cause o- I had one girlfriend of mine, who was like, one of my best friends, 1441.9786 1338 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1441.9786 (pause 0.55) 1442.5289 1339 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1442.5289 she lived in the pro- what we call the projects 1444.7344 1340 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1444.7344 (pause 0.23) 1444.9676 1341 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1444.9676 at the time. 1445.5970 1342 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1445.5970 (pause 2.26) 1447.8527 1343 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1447.8527 So- 1448.4169 1344 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1448.4169 (pause 1.03) 1449.4428 1345 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1449.4428 But you know, 1450.0350 1346 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1450.0350 (pause 1.43) 1451.4665 1347 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1451.4665 because we were all black, 1452.5016 1348 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1452.5016 (pause 2.20) 1454.6967 1349 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1454.6967 and it was back in the seventies, 1456.3334 1350 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1456.3334 (pause 1.19) 1457.5224 1351 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1457.5224 you know, we- 1458.0540 1352 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1458.0540 (pause 0.18) 1458.2359 1353 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1458.2359 we ho- 1458.5436 1354 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1458.5436 (pause 0.29) 1458.8374 1355 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1458.8374 we stayed together. 1459.6709 1356 DCB_int_01 1461.6526 And how long did you stay at /RD-SCHOOL-3/? 1463.2380 1357 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1464.1892 So I stayed there 1465.3398 1358 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1465.3398 (pause 0.27) 1465.6056 1359 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1465.6056 two- 1466.1558 1360 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1466.1558 (pause 0.11) 1466.2631 1361 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1466.2631 through 1467.0464 1362 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1467.0464 (pause 2.43) 1469.4758 1363 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1469.4758 um- 1470.0540 1364 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1470.0540 (pause 4.96) 1475.0188 1365 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1475.0188 I wanna say ninth grade. 1476.4317 1366 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1476.4317 (pause 2.56) 1478.9951 1367 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1478.9951 Either ninth or tenth, 1479.9557 1368 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1479.9557 (pause 0.28) 1480.2308 1369 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1480.2308 something like that. 1481.0748 1370 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1481.0748 (pause 0.72) 1481.7929 1371 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1481.7929 And I just- You know, I didn't get any attention from any boys. 1484.4916 1372 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1484.4916 (pause 1.79) 1486.2774 1373 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1486.2774 You know, 1486.7111 1374 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1486.7111 (pause 0.41) 1487.1261 1375 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1487.1261 there was some racists, and my- For 1489.1346 1376 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1489.1346 (pause 0.16) 1489.2932 1377 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1489.2932 Ironically, my daughter had the same experience. 1491.4148 1378 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1491.4148 (pause 0.30) 1491.7132 1379 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1491.7132 That's one reason why she's ended up /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 1493.5970 1380 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1493.5970 (pause 2.03) 1495.6243 1381 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1495.6243 But um, 1496.5335 1382 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1496.5335 (pause 1.21) 1497.7412 1383 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1497.7412 the- You know, 1498.3847 1384 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1498.3847 (pause 0.10) 1498.4873 1385 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1498.4873 there was racism. 1499.4338 1386 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1499.4338 (pause 1.31) 1500.7395 1387 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1500.7395 Um- 1501.2337 1388 DCB_int_01 1502.4682 Overt? 1502.9485 1389 DCB_int_01 1502.9485 (pause 0.15) 1503.1024 1390 DCB_int_01 1503.1024 Covert? 1503.5873 1391 DCB_int_01 1503.5873 (pause 0.67) 1504.2588 1392 DCB_int_01 1504.2588 Both? 1504.6132 1393 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1506.9295 I guess you would- It depends on how you define that. 1508.8646 1394 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1508.8646 (pause 0.14) 1508.9998 1395 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1508.9998 I mean, 1509.3215 1396 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1509.3215 (pause 0.10) 1509.4195 1397 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1509.4195 I- I w- I defined it as 1511.5970 1398 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1511.5970 (pause 0.21) 1511.8022 1399 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1511.8022 um, 1512.2405 1400 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1512.2405 (pause 2.71) 1514.9485 1401 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1514.9485 the- 1515.1024 1402 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1515.1024 (pause 0.32) 1515.4241 1403 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1515.4241 that- 1515.8298 1404 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1515.8298 (pause 1.70) 1517.5271 1405 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1517.5271 I mean there were a couple of things that happened. 1519.0192 1406 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1519.0192 (pause 0.54) 1519.5590 1407 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1519.5590 I mean, 1519.9180 1408 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1519.9180 (pause 0.17) 1520.0859 1409 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1520.0859 you know, nobody called you the N word, 1521.6853 1410 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1521.6853 (pause 0.96) 1522.6458 1411 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1522.6458 at least not to your face. 1523.8442 1412 DCB_int_01 1524.1053 Hm. 1524.3571 1413 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1524.6089 So 1525.1778 1414 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1525.1778 (pause 0.20) 1525.3818 1415 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1525.3818 you know, if you consider that to be overt, no, it wasn't overt. 1527.9883 1416 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1527.9883 (pause 0.16) 1528.1469 1417 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1528.1469 But I do remember 1529.2147 1418 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1529.2147 (pause 0.53) 1529.7416 1419 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1529.7416 one time, 1530.5110 1420 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1530.5110 (pause 0.09) 1530.5996 1421 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1530.5996 that- But th- it was hurtful stuff 1532.9159 1422 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1532.9159 (pause 0.73) 1533.6433 1423 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1533.6433 because I remember one time 1535.2054 1424 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1535.2054 (pause 0.55) 1535.7602 1425 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1535.7602 that 1536.1333 1426 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1536.1333 (pause 0.28) 1536.4084 1427 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1536.4084 everybody- 1537.0845 1428 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1537.0845 (pause 0.72) 1537.8014 1429 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1537.8014 Well it wouldn't have been everybody, but I didn't get invited to a 1540.8137 1430 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1540.8137 (pause 0.56) 1541.3732 1431 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1541.3732 w- 1541.5831 1432 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1541.5831 (pause 0.22) 1541.8022 1433 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1541.8022 You know, the Jews have 1543.1265 1434 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1543.1265 (pause 1.66) 1544.7900 1435 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1544.7900 bar mitzvahs and 1545.6293 1436 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1545.6293 (pause 0.07) 1545.7039 1437 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1545.7039 bat mitzvahs, 1546.6645 1438 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1546.6645 (pause 0.46) 1547.1214 1439 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1547.1214 which is like their 1548.1519 1440 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1548.1519 (pause 0.69) 1548.8455 1441 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1548.8455 coming of age- 1549.8807 1442 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1549.8807 (pause 1.45) 1551.3355 1443 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1551.3355 You know, 1551.7692 1444 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1551.7692 (pause 1.00) 1552.7717 1445 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1552.7717 like um- 1553.7276 1446 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1553.7276 (pause 0.47) 1554.1986 1447 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1554.1986 It would be like our- Like, 1555.5928 1448 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1555.5928 (pause 1.11) 1556.7014 1449 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1556.7014 Hispanics have /Qui- Quinceaneras/, or something like that. 1559.7602 1450 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1559.7602 (pause 0.10) 1559.8628 1451 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1559.8628 And what do black people have (laughing)? 1561.0647 1452 DCB_int_01 1561.1207 [/Cotillions./] 1562.0719 1453 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1561.8807 [Cotillions], 1562.6874 1454 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1562.7853 but 1562.9951 1455 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1562.9951 (pause 0.41) 1563.4101 1456 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1563.4101 it's not tied to religion. 1565.0561 1457 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1565.0561 (pause 0.86) 1565.9188 1458 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1565.9188 Like, 1566.1286 1459 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1566.1286 (pause 0.23) 1566.3606 1460 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1566.3606 maybe for us it would be um- 1568.3330 1461 DCB_int_01 1569.2609 Oh yea- Mm. 1570.1935 1462 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1570.5665 Well I'm- I was 1571.5271 1463 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1571.5271 (pause 0.28) 1571.8069 1464 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1571.8069 raised episcopal, so I had um- 1573.9786 1465 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1573.9786 (pause 1.18) 1575.1630 1466 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1575.1630 I mean but 1575.7086 1467 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1575.7086 (pause 0.12) 1575.8251 1468 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1575.8251 w- 1576.1609 1469 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1576.1609 (pause 0.19) 1576.3474 1470 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1576.3474 Whenever we did that anyway- 1577.7323 1471 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1577.7323 (pause 0.52) 1578.2545 1472 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1578.2545 You know, these people had big parties 1579.8481 1473 DCB_int_01 1580.1931 Right. 1580.4076 1474 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1580.3936 to go along with this. 1581.4008 1475 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1582.5945 So it was cultural. 1583.8955 1476 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1583.8955 (pause 0.18) 1584.0727 1477 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1584.0727 I don't know what the Hispanics- 1585.5275 1478 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1585.5275 (pause 0.41) 1585.9367 1479 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1585.9367 There was 1586.5009 1480 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1586.5009 (pause 0.20) 1586.6967 1481 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1586.6967 religious- 1587.3915 1482 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1587.3915 (pause 0.40) 1587.7925 1483 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1587.7925 It might just be [cultural.] 1588.9722 1484 DCB_int_01 1588.4313 [Cultural.] 1588.9815 1485 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1589.5458 The- the- the bat mitzvah and the bar mitzvah's cultural 1592.5382 1486 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1592.5382 (pause 1.21) 1593.7505 1487 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1593.7505 and religious. 1594.9909 1488 DCB_int_01 1594.9209 Right. 1595.1820 1489 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1595.8442 So anyway, they would have that, but you know they were rich and they threw- 1598.6454 1490 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1598.6454 (pause 0.16) 1598.8086 1491 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1598.8086 It- it- They used to throw, 1599.9324 1492 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1599.9324 (pause 0.36) 1600.2961 1493 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1600.2961 I mean, 1600.7997 1494 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1600.7997 (pause 0.14) 1600.9442 1495 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1600.9442 huge 1601.6903 1496 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1601.6903 (pause 0.85) 1602.5389 1497 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1602.5389 things. 1603.0227 1498 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1603.0227 (pause 0.12) 1603.1440 1499 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1603.1440 Huge things. 1604.1325 1500 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1604.1325 (pause 0.62) 1604.7573 1501 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1604.7573 You know, at um, 1605.8345 1502 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1605.8345 (pause 0.37) 1606.2075 1503 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1606.2075 country clubs and 1607.3732 1504 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1607.3732 (pause 1.13) 1608.5016 1505 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1608.5016 wherever else 1609.3456 1506 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1609.3456 (pause 0.16) 1609.5030 1507 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1609.5030 they would have 'em. 1610.2631 1508 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1610.2631 (pause 0.83) 1611.0884 1509 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1611.0884 It was a big thing. 1611.9557 1510 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1611.9557 (pause 0.55) 1612.5106 1511 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1612.5106 And so I remember one time not getting invited to that. 1614.4970 1512 DCB_int_01 1614.9493 Hm. 1615.1218 1513 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1615.2093 And I kn- And my best friend was Jewish, 1617.2609 1514 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1617.2609 (pause 1.62) 1618.8790 1515 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1618.8790 and she got invited. 1619.8349 1516 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1619.8349 (pause 1.77) 1621.6009 1517 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1621.6009 But she was different kind of Jewish because 1623.6853 1518 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1623.6853 (pause 0.55) 1624.2401 1519 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1624.2401 she lived on Capitol Hill, 1625.8582 1520 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1625.8582 (pause 0.98) 1626.8374 1521 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1626.8374 both her parents were lawyers, 1628.1465 1522 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1628.1465 (pause 0.32) 1628.4636 1523 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1628.4636 but they were civil rights lawyers. 1629.8764 1524 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1629.8764 (pause 1.66) 1631.5318 1525 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1631.5318 So, 1632.1146 1526 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1632.1146 (pause 0.08) 1632.1986 1527 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1632.1986 you know, they were more progressive 1634.2957 1528 DCB_int_01 1634.3890 Mm-hm. 1634.8086 1529 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1634.9252 type. 1635.1817 1530 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1635.1817 (pause 1.09) 1636.2681 1531 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1636.2681 And actually 1637.0935 1532 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1637.0935 (pause 0.52) 1637.6157 1533 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1637.6157 they knew my father because my father 1639.3130 1534 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1639.3130 (pause 0.42) 1639.7315 1535 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1639.7315 was 1640.0905 1536 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1640.0905 (pause 0.19) 1640.2771 1537 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1640.2771 civil rights. 1641.0324 1538 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1641.0324 (pause 1.24) 1642.2774 1539 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1642.2774 So- 1642.6458 1540 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1642.6458 (pause 0.13) 1642.7764 1541 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1642.7764 You know what I mean? 1643.3266 1542 DCB_int_01 1643.4525 Mm-hm. 1643.7509 1543 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1644.3105 So it was a different- She wasn't as elitist. 1646.7505 1544 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1646.7505 (pause 0.90) 1647.6480 1545 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1647.6480 And then we had to catch the bus together because she lived 1650.3198 1546 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1650.3198 (pause 0.26) 1650.5809 1547 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1650.5809 on Capitol Hill 1651.7500 1548 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1651.7500 (pause 1.23) 1652.9812 1549 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1652.9812 in Southeast, and then I lived- But- And she lived in Southeast, 1655.5644 1550 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1655.5644 (pause 0.10) 1655.6670 1551 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1655.6670 but it was Capitol Hill. 1656.6042 1552 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1656.6042 (pause 0.80) 1657.4051 1553 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1657.4051 And Capitol Hill is of course, booming. 1659.5500 1554 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1659.5500 (pause 0.94) 1660.4919 1555 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1660.4919 Even back then it was pretty. 1661.7882 1556 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1661.7882 (pause 0.47) 1662.2545 1557 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1662.2545 I don't know, but Capitol Hill was weird. 1663.8108 1558 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1663.8108 (pause 0.11) 1663.9227 1559 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1663.9227 But- 1664.1325 1560 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1664.1325 (pause 0.85) 1664.9858 1561 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1664.9858 You know, and I used to have to go across the bridge, 1667.1914 1562 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1667.1914 (pause 0.43) 1667.6250 1563 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1667.6250 so we 1668.6555 1564 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1668.6555 (pause 1.34) 1669.9926 1565 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1669.9926 you know, got 1670.3703 1566 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1670.3703 (pause 0.13) 1670.5009 1567 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1670.5009 c- 1670.5941 1568 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1670.5941 (pause 0.13) 1670.7200 1569 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1670.7200 rode the bus together. 1671.6386 1570 DCB_int_01 1671.7039 Mm-hm. 1671.9930 1571 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1672.0443 And it was her and me and also the w- the g- woman who grew up 1674.8980 1572 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1674.8980 (pause 0.41) 1675.3083 1573 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1675.3083 in the projects. Cause she 1676.6268 1574 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1676.6268 (pause 0.58) 1677.2050 1575 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1677.2050 lives in Southwest, 1678.3754 1576 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1678.3754 (pause 0.52) 1678.8929 1577 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1678.8929 so we all got to be really c- And she just was different. She wasn't- 1681.9367 1578 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1681.9367 (pause 2.36) 1684.3008 1579 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1684.3008 You know, you could tell. She didn't have- 1685.9934 1580 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1685.9934 (pause 0.14) 1686.1379 1581 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1686.1379 You know, I don't know whether her parents insti- instilled- 1688.8832 1582 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1688.8832 (pause 1.07) 1689.9510 1583 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1689.9510 You know, cause her father was- 1691.3219 1584 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1691.3219 (pause 0.62) 1691.9374 1585 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1691.9374 Not only was he civil rights, he worked for Legal Aid. 1694.3610 1586 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1694.3610 (pause 1.62) 1695.9790 1587 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1695.9790 So he worked for- 1697.5411 1588 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1697.5411 (pause 1.06) 1698.6031 1589 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1698.6031 He headed the 1699.4937 1590 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1699.4937 (pause 0.57) 1700.0672 1591 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1700.0672 legal- 1700.7760 1592 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1700.7760 (pause 0.75) 1701.5267 1593 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1701.5267 I can't remember what it was. And the m- and her mother was a- 1704.0074 1594 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1704.0074 (pause 2.16) 1706.1651 1595 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1706.1651 was a professor. 1707.2096 1596 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1707.2096 (pause 1.77) 1708.9769 1597 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1708.9769 But you know, they were progressive. 1710.3245 1598 DCB_int_01 1710.7803 Mm-hm. 1711.1778 1599 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1712.1325 Yeah. 1712.5195 1600 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1712.5195 (pause 0.15) 1712.6687 1601 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1712.6687 So. 1713.0464 1602 DCB_int_01 1713.2656 Did she go to the party? 1714.1749 1603 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1715.0701 Yeah, she went to the um- 1716.6788 1604 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1716.6788 (pause 0.51) 1717.1906 1605 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1717.1906 As a matter of fact, I think that's how I found out 1719.3728 1606 DCB_int_01 1719.9744 Mm-hm. 1720.3101 1607 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1720.6178 because she slipped up, and s- Well she didn't slip up, 1723.1632 1608 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1723.1632 (pause 0.13) 1723.2885 1609 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1723.2885 she thought that I had been invited. She'd assumed that I had been invited. 1726.3427 1610 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1726.3427 (pause 0.79) 1727.1308 1611 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1727.1308 Because I did get invited 1728.5156 1612 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1728.5156 (pause 0.30) 1728.8176 1613 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1728.8176 to some of 'em but this particular one I did not get invited to. 1731.7738 1614 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1731.7738 (pause 0.13) 1731.9044 1615 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1731.9044 And I know 1732.4826 1616 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1732.4826 (pause 0.38) 1732.8603 1617 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1732.8603 it had to have been because I wasn't- 1734.1333 1618 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1734.1333 (pause 1.01) 1735.1393 1619 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1735.1393 I mean, 1735.3818 1620 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1735.3818 (pause 0.19) 1735.5683 1621 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1735.5683 I- I- I- 1735.9460 1622 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1735.9460 (pause 2.32) 1738.2635 1623 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1738.2635 I've- 1738.4453 1624 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1738.4453 (pause 0.13) 1738.5759 1625 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1738.5759 My take on it was it was because I was black 1740.7896 1626 DCB_int_01 1741.4844 Mm. 1741.8061 1627 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1741.8201 and not Jewish. 1742.8786 1628 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1742.8786 (pause 1.54) 1744.4220 1629 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1744.4220 You know that was my take on it. 1745.7696 1630 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1745.7696 (pause 0.79) 1746.5623 1631 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1746.5623 But it could have been something else, 1747.7500 1632 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1747.7500 (pause 0.12) 1747.8714 1633 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1747.8714 but that was my interpretation. 1749.2330 1634 DCB_int_01 1749.3635 Right. 1749.6153 1635 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1750.0443 You know. 1750.4220 1636 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1750.4220 (pause 1.18) 1751.6064 1637 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1751.6064 So that 1752.5902 1638 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1752.5902 (pause 0.84) 1753.4331 1639 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1753.4331 and 1754.2071 1640 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1754.2071 (pause 0.33) 1754.5335 1641 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1754.5335 m- I had my first major crush 1756.6085 1642 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1756.6085 (pause 1.06) 1757.6716 1643 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1757.6716 on a white guy. 1758.6229 1644 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1758.6229 (pause 0.79) 1759.4144 1645 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1759.4144 And he didn't give me the time of day. 1761.3915 1646 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1761.3915 (pause 3.98) 1765.3678 1647 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1765.3678 Didn't look my way. 1766.3190 1648 DCB_int_01 1768.3520 And this was when you were in high school? 1770.1986 1649 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1771.8108 [This was in middle school] 1773.2469 1650 DCB_int_01 1771.8201 [Before you went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/- Oh.] Okay. 1773.4521 1651 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1773.4754 right when I was starting to get, 1774.7437 1652 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1774.7437 (pause 0.19) 1774.9302 1653 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1774.9302 you know- 1775.2427 1654 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1775.2427 (pause 0.61) 1775.8488 1655 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1775.8488 like boys and stuff like that. 1777.1684 1656 DCB_int_01 1777.2792 Mm-hm. 1777.7222 1657 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1778.0952 Like in pubert- puberty or whatever. 1780.4325 1658 DCB_int_01 1781.1681 And then how did you leave /RD-SCHOOL-3/? 1783.2384 1659 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1784.2864 1784.4123 1660 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1784.4123 (pause 0.35) 1784.7573 1661 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1784.7573 So 1785.6340 1662 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1785.6340 (pause 0.23) 1785.8624 1663 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1785.8624 um, 1786.5759 1664 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1786.5759 (pause 4.16) 1790.7387 1665 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1790.7387 it was a combination of that 1792.2868 1666 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1792.2868 (pause 0.24) 1792.5246 1667 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1792.5246 and 1792.9909 1668 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1792.9909 (pause 0.90) 1793.8955 1669 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1793.8955 um, 1794.4970 1670 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1794.4970 (pause 0.63) 1795.1265 1671 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1795.1265 I think 1795.8248 1672 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1795.8248 (pause 2.41) 1798.2308 1673 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1798.2308 uh- 1798.3707 1674 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1798.3707 (pause 0.10) 1798.4733 1675 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1798.4733 You know, maybe something happened in our family where my parents couldn't afford it anymore. 1802.3260 1676 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1802.3260 (pause 1.17) 1803.4941 1677 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1803.4941 You know? 1803.8718 1678 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1803.8718 (pause 2.06) 1805.9328 1679 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1805.9328 Um, I don't really- 1806.8700 1680 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1806.8700 (pause 0.32) 1807.1859 1681 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1807.1859 I'm 1807.4750 1682 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1807.4750 (pause 0.13) 1807.6056 1683 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1807.6056 not- 1807.8434 1684 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1807.8434 (pause 0.12) 1807.9600 1685 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1807.9600 I can't even remember what the stor- 1809.5221 1686 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1809.5221 (pause 0.16) 1809.6853 1687 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1809.6853 you know, the story on that was. 1811.2193 1688 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1811.2193 (pause 0.22) 1811.4385 1689 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1811.4385 But 1811.6903 1690 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1811.6903 (pause 0.27) 1811.9607 1691 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1811.9607 I know I wasn't that unhappy about it. 1813.6161 1692 DCB_int_01 1814.7946 [Hm.] 1815.1350 1693 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1814.9439 [Because] /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was like- 1816.1945 1694 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1817.6250 /Shoot./ That was the place to be. 1819.1545 1695 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1819.1545 (pause 0.33) 1819.4844 1696 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1819.4844 I mean, you know, 1820.1185 1697 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1820.1185 (pause 0.40) 1820.5195 1698 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1820.5195 to me. 1820.9672 1699 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1820.9672 (pause 1.45) 1822.4220 1700 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1822.4220 And 1822.7904 1701 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1822.7904 (pause 0.24) 1823.0328 1702 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1823.0328 it was definitely 1824.4410 1703 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1824.4410 (pause 0.74) 1825.1766 1704 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1825.1766 a turning point for me 1826.5149 1705 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1826.5149 (pause 0.19) 1826.7014 1706 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1826.7014 going there. 1827.2936 1707 DCB_int_01 1828.3194 Why do you say that? 1829.0468 1708 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1830.4597 Oh my God. It was just- 1831.7280 1709 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1831.7280 (pause 0.25) 1831.9786 1710 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1831.9786 It was a total- Well, f- A little bit it was a culture shock at first 1835.4152 1711 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1835.4152 (pause 1.57) 1836.9819 1712 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1836.9819 because 1837.8154 1713 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1837.8154 (pause 0.16) 1837.9740 1714 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1837.9740 um, 1838.4776 1715 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1838.4776 (pause 1.36) 1839.8391 1716 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1839.8391 I wasn't used to being around all them black people. 1841.9514 1717 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1841.9514 (pause 1.70) 1843.6522 1718 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1843.6522 1844.3097 1719 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1844.3097 (pause 0.73) 1845.0371 1720 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1845.0371 And the thing about /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was that 1846.6551 1721 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1846.6551 (pause 0.09) 1846.7484 1722 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1846.7484 it was 1847.4338 1723 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1847.4338 (pause 0.69) 1848.1193 1724 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1848.1193 totally mixed, 1849.2151 1725 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1849.2151 (pause 0.98) 1850.1931 1726 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1850.1931 totally mixed. 1851.5454 1727 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1851.5454 (pause 0.75) 1852.2914 1728 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1852.2914 It was like the- 1852.8696 1729 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1852.8696 (pause 0.32) 1853.1867 1730 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1853.1867 the 1853.3452 1731 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1853.3452 (pause 0.21) 1853.5504 1732 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1853.5504 ultimate melting pot. 1854.9446 1733 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1854.9446 (pause 1.12) 1856.0626 1734 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1856.0626 And it was 1856.4682 1735 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1856.4682 (pause 0.44) 1856.9112 1736 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1856.9112 unlike any high school- And it was a huge high school- Unlike, 1859.8162 1737 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1859.8162 (pause 0.12) 1859.9328 1738 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1859.9328 any high school in the city. 1861.3550 1739 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1861.3550 (pause 1.66) 1863.0185 1740 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1863.0185 Um, 1863.5547 1741 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1863.5547 (pause 0.76) 1864.3101 1742 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1864.3101 I mean, you had probably about a equal number of blacks. 1867.9087 1743 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1867.9087 (pause 0.69) 1868.5941 1744 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1868.5941 You had 1869.3262 1745 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1869.3262 (pause 0.94) 1870.2681 1746 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1870.2681 um, 1871.0235 1747 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1871.0235 (pause 0.35) 1871.3686 1748 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1871.3686 Hispanics because you had Columbia Heights kids, 1874.8832 1749 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1874.8832 (pause 0.43) 1875.3169 1750 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1875.3169 which was Hispanic. 1876.4733 1751 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1876.4733 (pause 1.02) 1877.4945 1752 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1877.4945 And then you had- And they were from- 1879.1358 1753 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1879.1358 (pause 0.41) 1879.5496 1754 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1879.5496 You know, they were from a mix of countries, 1881.7226 1755 DCB_int_01 1881.7552 Mm-hm. 1882.3101 1756 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1882.5013 even though they were all Hispanic, they were a mix- Except they weren't Puerto Ricans. W- I didn't know any Puerto Ricans. 1887.1490 1757 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1887.1490 (pause 0.35) 1887.4987 1758 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1887.4987 But they were South American- 1888.7950 1759 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1888.7950 (pause 0.43) 1889.2287 1760 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1889.2287 From South American countries most- mainly. 1891.4995 1761 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1891.4995 (pause 0.74) 1892.2351 1762 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1892.2351 And then you had 1893.5454 1763 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1893.5454 (pause 0.17) 1893.7132 1764 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1893.7132 um, 1894.4033 1765 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1894.4033 (pause 2.44) 1896.8467 1766 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1896.8467 blacks from 1897.7035 1767 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1897.7035 (pause 0.14) 1897.8387 1768 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1897.8387 other- 1898.5941 1769 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1898.5941 (pause 0.70) 1899.2982 1770 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1899.2982 Like, 1899.5454 1771 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1899.5454 (pause 0.58) 1900.1282 1772 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1900.1282 maybe West- West Indians? 1901.7602 1773 DCB_int_01 1901.7649 Mm. Mm-hm. 1902.3757 1774 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1902.9353 And then you had 1904.2398 1775 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1904.2398 (pause 0.76) 1905.0045 1776 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1905.0045 whites 1905.8345 1777 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1905.8345 (pause 1.12) 1906.9582 1778 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1906.9582 from 1907.5737 1779 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1907.5737 (pause 0.94) 1908.5110 1780 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1908.5110 that- 1908.8793 1781 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1908.8793 (pause 0.19) 1909.0705 1782 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1909.0705 up in that area, 1909.8947 1783 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1909.8947 (pause 0.97) 1910.8599 1784 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1910.8599 from 1911.1677 1785 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1911.1677 (pause 0.18) 1911.3449 1786 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1911.3449 up in that area where the school was. 1912.9909 1787 DCB_int_01 1914.5891 So you just- [It was very different.] 1916.2677 1788 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1915.1906 [And then you had- And then] you had socioeconomic 1917.6153 1789 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1917.7645 [diversity because] you had- 1919.5364 1790 DCB_int_01 1918.2401 [Mm.] 1918.7064 1791 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1920.3618 And this- They're getting rid of this now which is very up- 1922.5801 1792 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1922.5801 (pause 0.36) 1922.9392 1793 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1922.9392 upsetting to me- 1923.8205 1794 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1923.8205 (pause 1.32) 1925.1447 1795 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1925.1447 You had- 1925.6856 1796 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1925.6856 (pause 1.11) 1926.7907 1797 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1926.7907 They bussed in 1928.1092 1798 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1928.1092 (pause 1.34) 1929.4474 1799 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1929.4474 kids from Southwest, who at the time 1932.2498 1800 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1932.2498 (pause 0.16) 1932.4084 1801 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1932.4084 were 1932.8234 1802 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1932.8234 (pause 0.80) 1933.6196 1803 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1933.6196 mainly from 1934.7154 1804 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1934.7154 (pause 0.32) 1935.0324 1805 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1935.0324 um- I keep saying the projects, and I know they don't call 'em the projects anymore. Low income housing. 1939.3037 1806 DCB_int_01 1940.3470 They still [call them the projects.] 1941.6899 1807 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1940.6734 [And they were all] black 1942.1888 1808 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1943.2333 low income kids. 1944.4084 1809 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1944.4084 (pause 0.31) 1944.7208 1810 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1944.7208 So you had all of this mix 1946.7807 1811 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1946.7807 (pause 0.78) 1947.5640 1812 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1947.5640 in that school 1948.3241 1813 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1948.3241 (pause 1.55) 1949.8722 1814 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1949.8722 which was a 1950.3384 1815 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1950.3384 (pause 0.53) 1950.8700 1816 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1950.8700 you know, 1951.3410 1817 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1951.3410 (pause 0.80) 1952.1418 1818 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1952.1418 but they di- 1952.5522 1819 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1952.5522 (pause 0.39) 1952.9439 1820 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1952.9439 But we didn't mix. 1953.9744 1821 DCB_int_01 1955.4525 Mm. 1955.8955 1822 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1957.0973 It's just like wh- What do they say? All- Why'd all the black kids [sit in the classroom?] 1960.5526 1823 misc 1959.5500 [] 1960.0117 1824 DCB_int_01 1960.6924 Mm-hm. 1961.0795 1825 DCB_int_01 1961.0795 (pause 0.17) 1961.2520 1826 DCB_int_01 1961.2520 Mm-hm. 1961.6577 1827 misc 1962.6322 I'm heading out. 1963.1171 1828 DCB_int_01 1963.2372 [Okay. 1963.5852 1829 misc 1963.2419 [Sorry.] 1963.5916 1830 misc 1963.7222 You're gonna have to lock up. 1964.6221 1831 DCB_int_01 1964.6827 Mm, yes ma'am. 1965.2656 1832 misc 1965.4428 Alright. 1965.7272 1833 misc 1965.7272 (pause 0.58) 1966.3101 1834 misc 1966.3101 Have a good weekend. 1967.2380 1835 DCB_int_01 1967.3546 You too! 1968.0540 1836 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1969.6196 For the most part we didn't mix. 1971.1397 1837 DCB_int_01 1974.1752 And everybody was in their little pocket. Was it 1976.2351 1838 DCB_int_01 1976.2351 (pause 0.09) 1976.3284 1839 DCB_int_01 1976.3284 by race? Was it by socioeconomic status? 1978.7531 1840 DCB_int_01 1978.7531 (pause 0.12) 1978.8696 1841 DCB_int_01 1978.8696 Both? 1979.4245 1842 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1980.4690 It was by race, 1981.6476 1843 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1981.6476 (pause 0.11) 1981.7595 1844 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1981.7595 and with- in the blacks, it was socioeconomic. 1984.3427 1845 DCB_int_01 1987.4051 Hm. 1987.7175 1846 DCB_int_01 1987.7175 (pause 1.18) 1988.9019 1847 DCB_int_01 1988.9019 So how did- 1989.4195 1848 DCB_int_01 1989.4195 (pause 0.16) 1989.5827 1849 DCB_int_01 1989.5827 You know, how did the- 1990.3660 1850 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1990.5013 Some did- You know, there was a little mixing. Like I had one girlfriend who was black, and she 1994.9345 1851 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1994.9345 (pause 0.38) 1995.3169 1852 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1995.3169 ended up marrying 1996.3800 1853 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1996.3800 (pause 0.47) 1996.8463 1854 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1996.8463 this guy who was Hispanic. And he didn't hardly ev- speak any English. 1999.7781 1855 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 1999.7781 (pause 0.77) 2000.5475 1856 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2000.5475 But they got married. 2001.2423 1857 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2001.2423 (pause 0.26) 2001.5034 1858 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2001.5034 They dated, 2002.0490 1859 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2002.0490 (pause 0.15) 2002.2028 1860 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2002.2028 and then they got married. 2002.9536 1861 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2002.9536 (pause 1.43) 2004.3804 1862 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2004.3804 But she almost looked s- 2005.4331 1863 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2005.4331 (pause 0.97) 2006.3983 1864 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2006.3983 You know, she almost didn't look like she was black, 2008.1888 1865 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2008.1888 (pause 1.59) 2009.7742 1866 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2009.7742 so. 2010.1519 1867 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2010.1519 (pause 2.92) 2013.0698 1868 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2013.0698 And he came from low income, 2014.5992 1869 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2014.5992 (pause 1.05) 2015.6530 1870 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2015.6530 Hispanic, 2016.2918 1871 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2016.2918 (pause 1.32) 2017.6103 1872 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2017.6103 and she was upper middle class black. 2019.6433 1873 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2019.6433 (pause 0.95) 2020.5945 1874 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2020.5945 So there was some mixing, 2022.0400 1875 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2022.0400 (pause 0.59) 2022.6322 1876 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2022.6322 li- little, 2023.2897 1877 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2023.2897 (pause 1.12) 2024.4076 1878 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2024.4076 but overall, 2025.2563 1879 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2025.2563 (pause 0.66) 2025.9184 1880 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2025.9184 I don't think there was a lot of mixing. 2027.2940 1881 DCB_int_01 2031.4008 Did it work? 2032.0909 1882 DCB_int_01 2032.0909 (pause 0.57) 2032.6645 1883 DCB_int_01 2032.6645 Do you feel like it was a good education, you had a good experience? Or 2035.5275 1884 DCB_int_01 2035.5275 (pause 0.17) 2035.6989 1885 DCB_int_01 2035.6989 no, not so [much?] 2036.7295 1886 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2036.6221 [Well you] know, we had it in the classroom, but see I- 2038.6645 1887 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2038.8790 What I came from? That school was easy to me. 2040.9446 1888 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2040.9446 (pause 0.35) 2041.2943 1889 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2041.2943 That was another good thing 2042.4729 1890 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2042.4729 (pause 0.14) 2042.6081 1891 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2042.6081 about coming from a rigorous private school. 2044.7531 1892 DCB_int_01 2045.5831 Mm. 2045.9177 1893 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2046.0260 I mean I went into that school, 2047.4995 1894 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2047.4995 (pause 2.21) 2049.7086 1895 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2049.7086 and it was just easy. 2050.7997 1896 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2050.7997 (pause 5.01) 2055.8065 1897 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2055.8065 It was easy. 2056.5805 1898 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2056.5805 (pause 0.70) 2057.2800 1899 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2057.2800 And I did really really well. 2058.5389 1900 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2058.5389 (pause 0.22) 2058.7616 1901 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2058.7616 I mean I did well 2059.7128 1902 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2059.7128 (pause 0.12) 2059.8294 1903 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2059.8294 in- 2060.2351 1904 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2060.2351 (pause 0.90) 2061.1397 1905 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2061.1397 at /RD-SCHOOL-3/, 2062.2028 1906 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2062.2028 (pause 0.61) 2062.8090 1907 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2062.8090 but I- 2063.3079 1908 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2063.3079 (pause 1.37) 2064.6742 1909 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2064.6742 I mean I did just as well as the rest of those kids 2066.8879 1910 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2066.8879 (pause 0.11) 2066.9998 1911 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2066.9998 but I um- 2067.9650 1912 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2067.9650 (pause 0.47) 2068.4360 1913 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2068.4360 I- 2068.5712 1914 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2068.5712 (pause 0.18) 2068.7484 1915 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2068.7484 I feel like I worked harder 2070.0866 1916 DCB_int_01 2070.5902 Mm. 2070.8234 1917 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2071.0927 to do well. 2071.7688 1918 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2071.7688 (pause 1.20) 2072.9672 1919 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2072.9672 And when I got to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, 2074.3707 1920 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2074.3707 (pause 0.11) 2074.4826 1921 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2074.4826 I didn't have to work as hard. 2075.4805 1922 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2075.4805 (pause 1.67) 2077.1486 1923 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2077.1486 And I could tell the difference 2078.4123 1924 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2078.4123 (pause 1.09) 2079.5034 1925 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2079.5034 in the 2080.0023 1926 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2080.0023 (pause 2.85) 2082.8560 1927 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2082.8560 um- 2083.3491 1928 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2083.3491 (pause 3.25) 2086.5992 1929 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2086.5992 I mean I could just tell the difference. 2088.1006 1930 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2088.1006 (pause 1.14) 2089.2372 1931 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2089.2372 And another thing is that I- when I got As, I didn't want anybody to know it. 2092.1935 1932 DCB_int_01 2094.0167 Why? 2094.3431 1933 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2094.9901 I remember one time I got like- 2096.2537 1934 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2096.2537 (pause 0.83) 2097.0884 1935 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2097.0884 I don't know. I got maybe- 2098.2728 1936 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2098.2728 (pause 0.16) 2098.4360 1937 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2098.4360 I probably got all As. 2099.8955 1938 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2099.8955 (pause 1.52) 2101.4191 1939 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2101.4191 And um- 2102.1931 1940 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2102.1931 (pause 0.67) 2102.8599 1941 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2102.8599 Because it- 2103.3355 1942 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2103.3355 (pause 0.23) 2103.5687 1943 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2103.5687 it didn't seem like it was cool. 2104.8794 1944 DCB_int_01 2105.7090 Mm. 2106.1566 1945 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2106.6124 I don't know where- where I got that from 2108.2631 1946 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2108.2631 (pause 2.24) 2110.5013 1947 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2110.5013 because 2111.1447 1948 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2111.1447 (pause 0.42) 2111.5644 1949 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2111.5644 you know, 2112.0354 1950 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2112.0354 (pause 0.70) 2112.7348 1951 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2112.7348 even the black kids that I 2113.8621 1952 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2113.8621 (pause 0.09) 2113.9553 1953 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2113.9553 I hung out with, they were high achieving. 2116.0117 1954 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2116.0117 (pause 1.72) 2117.7323 1955 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2117.7323 So I don't know where I got that from. 2119.1078 1956 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2119.1078 (pause 0.92) 2120.0299 1957 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2120.0299 I mean, it certainly wasn't like, 2121.7039 1958 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2121.7039 (pause 2.13) 2123.8349 1959 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2123.8349 uh, 2124.4084 1960 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2124.4084 (pause 0.19) 2124.5996 1961 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2124.5996 /RD-SCHOOL-3/ where 2125.9320 1962 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2125.9320 (pause 1.08) 2127.0091 1963 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2127.0091 um- 2127.5011 1964 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2127.5011 (pause 4.54) 2132.0393 1965 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2132.0393 I don't know. 2132.5662 1966 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2132.5662 (pause 2.42) 2134.9815 1967 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2134.9815 It just seemed different to me. 2136.1333 1968 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2136.1333 (pause 0.85) 2136.9819 1969 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2136.9819 I mean there was so much else going on there first of all. 2139.4008 1970 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2139.4008 (pause 1.04) 2140.4360 1971 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2140.4360 It was so much socializing. 2141.8442 1972 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2141.8442 (pause 1.10) 2142.9446 1973 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2142.9446 Mm. 2143.5182 1974 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2143.5182 (pause 1.13) 2144.6454 1975 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2144.6454 So many clubs and 2146.3054 1976 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2146.3054 (pause 1.88) 2148.1892 1977 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2148.1892 you know, homecoming and 2149.8621 1978 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2149.8621 (pause 0.64) 2150.5055 1979 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2150.5055 all of that stuff. 2151.3542 1980 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2151.3542 (pause 0.12) 2151.4754 1981 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2151.4754 Parties, and what do you call it- 2152.8696 1982 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2152.8696 (pause 0.22) 2153.0888 1983 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2153.0888 uh, dances and 2154.3664 1984 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2154.3664 (pause 0.99) 2155.3550 1985 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2155.3550 all of that stuff. 2156.1418 1986 DCB_int_01 2156.5195 Did you get [involved in all of that stuff?] 2158.3940 1987 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2157.3355 [/I was alright with-/] 2157.9837 1988 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2158.6225 Oh yeah. 2159.1867 1989 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2159.1867 (pause 0.91) 2160.1006 1990 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2160.1006 [I definitely] got involved in that. 2161.7500 1991 DCB_int_01 2160.3664 [] 2160.9539 1992 DCB_int_01 2162.1045 Like what? 2162.7247 1993 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2163.6946 Oh I loved to- I liked to- 2164.7810 1994 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2164.7810 (pause 0.28) 2165.0608 1995 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2165.0608 I went to the pro- Oh, well first of all, the whole world- 2167.6627 1996 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2167.6627 (pause 0.11) 2167.7688 1997 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2167.7688 I mean, 2167.9973 1998 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2167.9973 (pause 0.15) 2168.1512 1999 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2168.1512 there were a lot of- 2169.2609 2000 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2169.2609 (pause 0.29) 2169.5547 2001 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2169.5547 I had never seen- When I first went there, 2171.3219 2002 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2171.3219 (pause 2.61) 2173.9273 2003 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2173.9273 I guess this is sort of like the difference between going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 2176.6785 2004 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2176.6785 (pause 0.97) 2177.6483 2005 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2177.6483 If you've [ever walked] up on /RD-SCHOOL-2/'s [campus?] 2179.3503 2006 DCB_int_01 2177.9841 [Mm?] 2178.2965 2007 DCB_int_01 2178.2965 (pause 0.95) 2179.2430 2008 DCB_int_01 2179.2430 [Mm-hm.] 2179.5695 2009 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2179.9833 Versus /RD-SCHOOL-2/'s campus- [cause I went] to /RD-SCHOOL-4/. 2181.9231 2010 DCB_int_01 2181.0278 [/?/] 2181.2936 2011 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2182.3241 [So I know] the difference between /RD-SCHOOL-4/ and /RD-SCHOOL-2/ (laughing) 2185.0472 2012 DCB_int_01 2182.3520 [Mm-hm.] 2182.8463 2013 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2185.4284 when you go and look at the black people. 2186.9718 2014 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2186.9718 (pause 0.67) 2187.6386 2015 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2187.6386 They were all- 2188.5479 2016 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2188.5479 (pause 0.27) 2188.8137 2017 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2188.8137 they just seemed- they were all really attractive. 2191.3585 2018 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2191.3585 (pause 0.84) 2192.1978 2019 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2192.1978 They were all 2193.1537 2020 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2193.1537 (pause 0.17) 2193.3262 2021 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2193.3262 um, 2193.9744 2022 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2193.9744 (pause 1.68) 2195.6577 2023 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2195.6577 2195.7882 2024 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2195.7882 (pause 0.17) 2195.9561 2025 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2195.9561 you know, dressed- a lot of 'em dressed well. 2198.4169 2026 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2198.4169 (pause 1.04) 2199.4568 2027 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2199.4568 You know, they were put- 2200.1049 2028 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2200.1049 (pause 0.11) 2200.2168 2029 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2200.2168 Well put together. 2201.6297 2030 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2201.6297 (pause 1.05) 2202.6788 2031 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2202.6788 I- Really. When I went up there, I- 2204.1745 2032 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2204.1745 (pause 0.14) 2204.3190 2033 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2204.3190 I thought that- 2204.8972 2034 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2204.8972 (pause 0.11) 2205.0045 2035 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2205.0045 I never had seen so many attractive black people in my life. 2208.0074 2036 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2208.0074 (pause 1.30) 2209.3037 2037 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2209.3037 You know. 2209.7557 2038 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2209.7557 (pause 1.76) 2211.5174 2039 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2211.5174 You know, they all took a lot of pride in- And then you know, I have to say that 2215.3410 2040 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2215.3410 (pause 0.38) 2215.7175 2041 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2215.7175 you know, 2215.9786 2042 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2215.9786 (pause 0.10) 2216.0766 2043 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2216.0766 a lot of those kids 2217.2703 2044 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2217.2703 (pause 2.01) 2219.2846 2045 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2219.2846 that grew up in s- on- 2220.2732 2046 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2220.2732 (pause 0.14) 2220.4131 2047 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2220.4131 that were 2220.7255 2048 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2220.7255 (pause 0.72) 2221.4424 2049 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2221.4424 the s- You know, 2222.3050 2050 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2222.3050 (pause 0.16) 2222.4636 2051 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2222.4636 this- 2222.8133 2052 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2222.8133 (pause 0.11) 2222.9205 2053 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2222.9205 this is not- I mean I lived in New Orleans, so 2224.9676 2054 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2224.9676 (pause 0.15) 2225.1168 2055 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2225.1168 I mean, 2225.5551 2056 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2225.5551 (pause 0.67) 2226.2219 2057 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2226.2219 they were like, 2227.3083 2058 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2227.3083 (pause 1.55) 2228.8599 2059 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2228.8599 bordering- Some of 'em were bordering on not even looking black. 2231.6670 2060 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2231.6670 (pause 2.55) 2234.2211 2061 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2234.2211 You know. 2234.5988 2062 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2234.5988 (pause 0.12) 2234.7154 2063 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2234.7154 And they had the nice 2236.0163 2064 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2236.0163 (pause 0.14) 2236.1515 2065 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2236.1515 you know, whatever- My daughter gets mad when I say this, 2238.1752 2066 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2238.1752 (pause 0.08) 2238.2592 2067 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2238.2592 but good hair. 2239.0578 2068 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2239.0578 (pause 1.41) 2240.4682 2069 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2240.4682 And um, 2241.5034 2070 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2241.5034 (pause 1.31) 2242.8090 2071 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2242.8090 you know, 2243.2380 2072 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2243.2380 (pause 0.50) 2243.7416 2073 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2243.7416 features, you know- 2244.9493 2074 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2244.9493 (pause 0.22) 2245.1684 2075 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2245.1684 They were- 2245.4937 2076 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2245.4937 (pause 0.21) 2245.7035 2077 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2245.7035 They- You know, they- it- it- You know, it- I don't think it's any secret that 2248.8650 2078 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2248.8650 (pause 0.38) 2249.2473 2079 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2249.2473 at least at one point in this 2250.8793 2080 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2250.8793 (pause 0.73) 2251.6103 2081 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2251.6103 country because of 2253.5407 2082 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2253.5407 (pause 2.31) 2255.8535 2083 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2255.8535 you know, slavery and 2257.4342 2084 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2257.4342 (pause 1.07) 2258.5009 2085 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2258.5009 the light skin, dark skin thing, and 2261.0468 2086 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2261.0468 (pause 0.63) 2261.6763 2087 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2261.6763 all of that, 2262.3105 2088 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2262.3105 (pause 0.14) 2262.4457 2089 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2262.4457 that 2262.7161 2090 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2262.7161 (pause 0.40) 2263.1171 2091 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2263.1171 a lot of people who got the opportunities, 2265.4055 2092 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2265.4055 (pause 0.98) 2266.3894 2093 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2266.3894 were lighter skinned people. 2267.7649 2094 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2267.7649 (pause 3.03) 2270.7946 2095 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2270.7946 And that 2271.2143 2096 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2271.2143 (pause 0.19) 2271.4055 2097 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2271.4055 is very prominent in this city. 2273.5131 2098 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2273.5131 (pause 1.98) 2275.4890 2099 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2275.4890 You know, it's prominent. I mean it was at one point, prominent. 2278.1935 2100 DCB_int_01 2279.3546 Mm. 2279.7183 2101 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2280.5156 When I was coming up, that was prominent, 2282.2025 2102 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2282.2025 (pause 1.10) 2283.2982 2103 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2283.2982 and you could see the difference. 2284.6598 2104 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2284.6598 (pause 0.77) 2285.4292 2105 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2285.4292 And when I got to New Orleans, let's not even talk about New Orleans. 2288.4309 2106 DCB_int_01 2290.5572 Same thing? [Or worse?] 2291.9001 2107 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2291.1121 [I mean they still] have- 2292.1659 2108 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2292.2685 Oh, it's much worse. 2293.3037 2109 DCB_int_01 2293.5357 Mm. 2293.8014 2110 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2294.6641 Much worse. 2295.4055 2111 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2295.4055 (pause 2.49) 2297.8908 2112 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2297.8908 You know. 2298.2452 2113 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2298.2452 (pause 1.53) 2299.7781 2114 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2299.7781 So a lot of those kids 2301.6573 2115 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2301.6573 (pause 1.37) 2303.0235 2116 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2303.0235 were 2303.5411 2117 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2303.5411 (pause 1.26) 2304.8001 2118 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2304.8001 you know- 2305.2011 2119 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2305.2011 (pause 1.10) 2306.3050 2120 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2306.3050 And then we had some mixed race kids too. 2307.9610 2121 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2307.9610 (pause 1.39) 2309.3546 2122 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2309.3546 We had some biracial kids, which was not 2311.2011 2123 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2311.2011 (pause 0.27) 2311.4704 2124 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2311.4704 all that 2311.9740 2125 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2311.9740 (pause 1.19) 2313.1677 2126 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2313.1677 common back then, 2314.0396 2127 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2314.0396 (pause 1.20) 2315.2427 2128 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2315.2427 to have biracial- 2315.9747 2129 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2315.9747 (pause 0.48) 2316.4504 2130 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2316.4504 biracial kids. 2317.3969 2131 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2317.3969 (pause 1.66) 2319.0604 2132 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2319.0604 You know. 2319.5177 2133 DCB_int_01 2319.8718 Who did they hang out with? 2320.8277 2134 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2323.1918 Well it depends on what they do- who they identify with like, 2325.9604 2135 DCB_int_01 2326.0443 Mm. 2326.3241 2136 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2327.0002 I mean, 2327.4525 2137 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2327.4525 (pause 0.72) 2328.1706 2138 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2328.1706 the 2328.3524 2139 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2328.3524 (pause 0.18) 2328.5296 2140 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2328.5296 two that I knew 2329.5228 2141 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2329.5228 (pause 3.23) 2332.7484 2142 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2332.7484 hung out with black- 2333.6437 2143 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2333.6437 (pause 0.28) 2333.9234 2144 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2333.9234 Well one I grew- 2334.7161 2145 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2334.7161 (pause 0.11) 2334.8234 2146 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2334.8234 One grew up in my neighborhood. 2336.6221 2147 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2336.6221 (pause 1.05) 2337.6713 2148 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2337.6713 And um, 2338.5106 2149 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2338.5106 (pause 2.64) 2341.1486 2150 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2341.1486 I- 2341.2839 2151 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2341.2839 (pause 0.34) 2341.6243 2152 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2341.6243 You know, I think 2342.2537 2153 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2342.2537 (pause 0.31) 2342.5662 2154 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2342.5662 their f- 2342.9065 2155 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2342.9065 (pause 0.15) 2343.0558 2156 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2343.0558 W- Well their father was African American and their mother was 2346.0773 2157 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2346.0773 (pause 0.31) 2346.3851 2158 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2346.3851 white, 2346.6555 2159 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2346.6555 (pause 0.35) 2347.0099 2160 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2347.0099 from England. 2347.8201 2161 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2347.8201 (pause 0.76) 2348.5755 2162 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2348.5755 And the father I think made a concerted effort 2351.0701 2163 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2351.0701 (pause 0.15) 2351.2240 2164 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2351.2240 to 2351.7463 2165 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2351.7463 (pause 0.72) 2352.4643 2166 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2352.4643 integrate them 2353.3736 2167 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2353.3736 (pause 1.43) 2354.8040 2168 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2354.8040 into 2355.4055 2169 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2355.4055 (pause 0.60) 2356.0070 2170 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2356.0070 the black community, so 2357.4711 2171 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2357.4711 (pause 0.42) 2357.8955 2172 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2357.8955 I'm pretty sure he did. 2358.8700 2173 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2358.8700 (pause 0.57) 2359.4377 2174 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2359.4377 So 2360.1232 2175 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2360.1232 (pause 0.25) 2360.3750 2176 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2360.3750 um, 2360.8972 2177 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2360.8972 (pause 1.39) 2362.2914 2178 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2362.2914 2362.4220 2179 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2362.4220 (pause 0.15) 2362.5712 2180 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2362.5712 she definitely- 2363.5924 2181 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2363.5924 (pause 0.47) 2364.0587 2182 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2364.0587 They definitely identified 2365.5683 2183 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2365.5683 (pause 0.09) 2365.6616 2184 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2365.6616 with 2366.0999 2185 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2366.0999 (pause 1.32) 2367.4195 2186 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2367.4195 uh, black people. Now 2368.5013 2187 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2368.5013 (pause 0.62) 2369.1261 2188 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2369.1261 that being said 2370.0960 2189 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2370.0960 (pause 1.29) 2371.3864 2190 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2371.3864 he made a concerted 2372.3377 2191 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2372.3377 (pause 0.23) 2372.5708 2192 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2372.5708 d- effort to integrate them, but not to the point where he was- 2375.3126 2193 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2375.3126 (pause 1.40) 2376.7161 2194 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2376.7161 You know (laughing), 2377.2337 2195 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2377.2337 (pause 0.84) 2378.0719 2196 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2378.0719 drop 'em in the- 2378.7294 2197 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2378.7294 (pause 0.16) 2378.8926 2198 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2378.8926 dropping in them in the hood. 2380.1049 2199 DCB_int_01 2380.8379 [] 2382.6369 2200 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2380.8417 [] 2381.2753 2201 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2381.2753 (pause 0.97) 2382.2498 2202 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2382.2498 [You know.] 2382.6415 2203 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2383.3305 He didn't want them to be that entrenched. 2385.5967 2204 DCB_int_01 2386.0463 2386.6546 2205 DCB_int_01 2386.6546 (pause 0.85) 2387.5038 2206 DCB_int_01 2387.5038 So 2387.9514 2207 DCB_int_01 2387.9514 (pause 0.32) 2388.2732 2208 DCB_int_01 2388.2732 to a point, 2388.8505 2209 DCB_int_01 2388.8505 (pause 0.16) 2389.0087 2210 DCB_int_01 2389.0087 but not- 2389.4144 2211 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2389.4004 Only to a point. 2390.2584 2212 DCB_int_01 2390.4869 [Mm.] 2390.8226 2213 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2390.4962 [I think] h- Yeah. 2391.4101 2214 DCB_int_01 2392.4686 Now where'd they live? 2393.3359 2215 DCB_int_01 2393.3359 (pause 0.12) 2393.4525 2216 DCB_int_01 2393.4525 D- 2393.6297 2217 DCB_int_01 2393.6297 (pause 0.18) 2393.8069 2218 DCB_int_01 2393.8069 Do you know? 2394.2265 2219 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2395.1300 Where did they l- They lived down the street from me. 2397.1956 2220 DCB_int_01 2397.3542 Okay. 2397.6806 2221 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2397.6853 But- 2397.8586 2222 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2397.8586 (pause 0.12) 2397.9790 2223 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2397.9790 But we went to- 2399.0981 2224 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2399.0981 (pause 0.47) 2399.5691 2225 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2399.5691 We went to school uptown. 2401.1778 2226 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2401.1778 (pause 0.74) 2401.9180 2227 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2401.9180 [I mean we-] 2402.3610 2228 DCB_int_01 2401.9273 [Gotcha.] 2402.2444 2229 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2402.4449 They went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. Well the bro- 2403.9417 2230 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2403.9417 (pause 0.14) 2404.0816 2231 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2404.0816 the brother went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 2405.4338 2232 DCB_int_01 2405.9794 When you say uptown, what do you mean? 2407.3923 2233 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2407.7222 Uptown is like, 2408.9625 2234 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2408.9625 (pause 1.19) 2410.1562 2235 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2410.1562 um- 2410.7857 2236 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2410.7857 (pause 1.27) 2412.0540 2237 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2412.0540 Sixteenth Street is upto- upper- 2413.6849 2238 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2413.6849 (pause 0.16) 2413.8434 2239 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2413.8434 upper Northwest. 2414.9765 2240 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2414.9765 (pause 0.77) 2415.7505 2241 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2415.7505 Upper Northwest, like, 2416.8790 2242 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2416.8790 (pause 0.27) 2417.1447 2243 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2417.1447 where /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was. 2418.1519 2244 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2418.1519 (pause 0.95) 2419.1020 2245 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2419.1020 That's uh, considered upper Northwest. 2420.9532 2246 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2420.9532 (pause 1.18) 2422.1376 2247 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2422.1376 Um, 2422.6831 2248 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2422.6831 (pause 0.68) 2423.3592 2249 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2423.3592 that's considered uptown. 2424.6415 2250 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2424.6415 (pause 1.45) 2426.0905 2251 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2426.0905 Um, 2426.6921 2252 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2426.6921 (pause 1.81) 2428.5059 2253 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2428.5059 Georgetown and- and above- 2430.3105 2254 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2430.3105 (pause 1.20) 2431.5077 2255 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2431.5077 G- GW would be considered downtown, 2433.6619 2256 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2433.6619 (pause 1.32) 2434.9815 2257 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2434.9815 you know. 2435.4245 2258 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2435.4245 (pause 2.44) 2437.8621 2259 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2437.8621 Um, 2438.4030 2260 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2438.4030 (pause 3.01) 2441.4105 2261 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2441.4105 so. 2441.7556 2262 DCB_int_01 2442.8747 Huh. 2443.0752 2263 DCB_int_01 2443.0752 (pause 0.32) 2443.3958 2264 DCB_int_01 2443.3958 I never 2443.9507 2265 DCB_int_01 2443.9507 (pause 0.21) 2444.1558 2266 DCB_int_01 2444.1558 heard anybody explain it that way, but that 2445.9790 2267 DCB_int_01 2445.9790 (pause 0.16) 2446.1422 2268 DCB_int_01 2446.1422 helps me. 2446.6085 2269 DCB_int_01 2446.6085 (pause 0.49) 2447.0981 2270 DCB_int_01 2447.0981 [GW] being down- I mean [understanding that] that's the downtown [area.] 2450.6827 2271 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2447.1960 [/Uh./] 2447.5178 2272 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2447.5178 (pause 1.22) 2448.7336 2273 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2448.7336 [Yeah, G- s-] 2449.2932 2274 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2449.2932 (pause 0.75) 2450.0393 2275 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2450.0393 [GT is in the middle-] 2450.9532 2276 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2451.1117 Yeah, it's 2451.5500 2277 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2451.5500 (pause 0.13) 2451.6806 2278 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2451.6806 j- in the middle of downtown, yeah. 2453.3126 2279 DCB_int_01 2453.6483 [Oh.] 2454.2965 2280 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2453.8675 [It's in the] Foggy Bottom area, 2455.4890 2281 DCB_int_01 2455.4797 Mm-hm. 2455.8994 2282 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2455.8947 but that's downtown. Some people might consider that to be Georgetown 2459.6810 2283 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2461.9740 because 2462.8719 2284 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2462.8719 (pause 2.23) 2465.1028 2285 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2465.1028 it's in proximity to Georgetown. But I never considered it be Georgetown because they call it Foggy Bottom 2470.3967 2286 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2470.3967 (pause 0.51) 2470.9023 2287 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2470.9023 [first of] all. 2471.5396 2288 DCB_int_01 2470.9489 [They-] 2471.2007 2289 DCB_int_01 2471.2007 (pause 0.29) 2471.4898 2290 DCB_int_01 2471.4898 Mm-hm. 2471.9654 2291 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2472.7301 And um, 2473.5217 2292 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2473.5217 (pause 3.32) 2476.8417 2293 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2476.8417 I wish I knew more uh- had a more of a- 2479.1451 2294 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2479.1451 (pause 0.47) 2479.6103 2295 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2479.6103 knew as much history about the area as some of my friends know about it. 2483.2240 2296 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2483.2240 (pause 1.31) 2484.5389 2297 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2484.5389 You know, because you know, 2485.6347 2298 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2485.6347 (pause 1.87) 2487.5081 2299 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2487.5081 all of these areas- 2488.5199 2300 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2488.5199 (pause 1.55) 2490.0680 2301 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2490.0680 You know a lot of these 2490.9073 2302 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2490.9073 (pause 0.43) 2491.3352 2303 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2491.3352 rich areas 2492.3983 2304 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2492.3983 (pause 0.35) 2492.7527 2305 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2492.7527 now- 2493.0511 2306 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2493.0511 (pause 0.10) 2493.1490 2307 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2493.1490 Georgetown and Foggy Bottom, there were slaves living there. 2495.6390 2308 DCB_int_01 2496.7103 Mm-hm. 2497.1300 2309 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2497.1113 I think you know that. 2497.9227 2310 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2498.9578 I mean they still got black churches in Georgetown. 2500.9209 2311 DCB_int_01 2501.3359 [Mm-hm.] 2501.8582 2312 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2501.6670 [And there's] a reason for that. 2502.6648 2313 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2503.4051 It's because black people used to live there. 2504.8273 2314 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2504.8273 (pause 0.61) 2505.4335 2315 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2505.4335 There's still uh- 2506.3334 2316 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2506.3334 (pause 0.31) 2506.6458 2317 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2506.6458 And then they got 2507.3592 2318 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2507.3592 (pause 0.63) 2507.9887 2319 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2507.9887 kicked out 2508.4690 2320 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2508.4690 (pause 0.93) 2509.3958 2321 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2509.3958 basically. 2510.0439 2322 DCB_int_01 2513.4152 I don't know the whole history, but I've 2515.1486 2323 DCB_int_01 2515.1486 (pause 0.48) 2515.6289 2324 DCB_int_01 2515.6289 always wondered about the churches 2517.4288 2325 DCB_int_01 2517.4288 (pause 0.76) 2518.1842 2326 DCB_int_01 2518.1842 um, when I went to school there. 2519.4525 2327 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2519.4385 Why they have black churches in Georgetown (laughing)? 2521.8341 2328 DCB_int_01 2522.6268 Makes sense. Making the [connection /inaudible/.] 2524.5572 2329 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2523.7972 [And the black people still] go there. 2525.2147 2330 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2525.7369 There's still a few scattered around black families there 2529.4148 2331 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2529.4148 (pause 0.31) 2529.7272 2332 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2529.7272 that didn't sell when 2530.9116 2333 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2530.9116 (pause 0.75) 2531.6623 2334 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2531.6623 um, 2532.2638 2335 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2532.2638 (pause 2.27) 2534.5335 2336 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2534.5335 when they were approached. 2535.7925 2337 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2535.7925 (pause 2.07) 2537.8582 2338 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2537.8582 You know, cause my ex husband actually 2539.8574 2339 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2539.8574 (pause 0.31) 2540.1698 2340 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2540.1698 um- 2540.5009 2341 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2540.5009 (pause 0.83) 2541.3262 2342 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2541.3262 His father, 2542.2122 2343 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2542.2122 (pause 0.17) 2542.3847 2344 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2542.3847 um, 2542.7297 2345 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2542.7297 (pause 0.96) 2543.6903 2346 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2543.6903 he- 2543.9281 2347 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2543.9281 (pause 0.59) 2544.5156 2348 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2544.5156 He's not from here. He's from South Carolina, but he's older than me. He's 2547.6480 2349 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2547.6480 (pause 0.96) 2548.6038 2350 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2548.6038 sixty- He's in like his mid sixties. And his father actually worked 2552.9812 2351 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2552.9812 (pause 0.19) 2553.1723 2352 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2553.1723 for a Jewish man- 2554.6225 2353 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2554.6225 (pause 0.42) 2555.0422 2354 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2555.0422 the Jewish man that was 2556.0820 2355 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2556.0820 (pause 0.25) 2556.3291 2356 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2556.3291 largely responsible for 2558.1465 2357 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2558.1465 (pause 0.71) 2558.8553 2358 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2558.8553 taking their property from those black people. 2560.8929 2359 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2560.8929 (pause 2.05) 2562.9400 2360 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2562.9400 You know. 2563.2866 2361 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2563.2866 (pause 2.45) 2565.7412 2362 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2565.7412 And moving them 2566.8463 2363 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2566.8463 (pause 0.53) 2567.3732 2364 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2567.3732 to Anacostia 2568.6089 2365 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2568.6089 (pause 0.39) 2568.9994 2366 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2568.9994 where at the time, white people lived. 2570.8040 2367 DCB_int_01 2573.9607 And now that's a very different 2575.5869 2368 DCB_int_01 2575.5869 (pause 0.16) 2575.7502 2369 DCB_int_01 2575.7502 area. 2576.1465 2370 DCB_int_01 2576.1465 (pause 2.55) 2578.6924 2371 DCB_int_01 2578.6924 I wanna ask you a question, but before- Cause I wanna ask how you- about college. But before that, 2582.9485 2372 DCB_int_01 2582.9485 (pause 0.69) 2583.6340 2373 DCB_int_01 2583.6340 do you remember the riots? The sixties, 2586.1146 2374 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2586.0447 2586.7208 2375 DCB_int_01 2586.9633 um- 2587.3736 2376 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2587.6802 [I'm not that old (whispering).] 2588.4123 2377 DCB_int_01 2587.6942 [I don't know how-] 2588.4076 2378 DCB_int_01 2588.6268 [That's what-] 2588.9765 2379 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2588.6408 [] I'm [just kidding. ] 2589.9231 2380 DCB_int_01 2589.1817 [So I think you were] really young, 2590.7457 2381 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2591.0841 I [was really young.] 2591.8488 2382 DCB_int_01 2591.2333 [but do you have] any 2592.1986 2383 DCB_int_01 2592.5156 like- how it affected you as a- a very young person or how you heard your parents talk about it? 2597.4152 2384 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2592.5203 [Yeah.] 2592.8187 2385 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2598.6357 So 2599.5403 2386 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2599.5403 (pause 0.45) 2599.9926 2387 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2599.9926 um, 2600.4496 2388 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2600.4496 (pause 1.18) 2601.6340 2389 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2601.6340 w- Okay. 2602.1189 2390 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2602.1189 (pause 0.24) 2602.3614 2391 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2602.3614 The- 2602.4873 2392 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2602.4873 (pause 0.22) 2602.7064 2393 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2602.7064 Were the riots happen in sixty 2604.0540 2394 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2604.0540 (pause 0.48) 2604.5343 2395 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2604.5343 three? 2604.7907 2396 DCB_int_01 2605.2477 There was [sixty three and then sixty] eight. 2607.1910 2397 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2605.6149 [No, /sixties/.] 2606.3423 2398 DCB_int_01 2608.0583 Um- 2608.7297 2399 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2608.9489 Okay, I have to remember. 2609.8768 2400 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2609.8768 (pause 0.13) 2610.0027 2401 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2610.0027 Okay, so- 2611.3083 2402 DCB_int_01 2612.4076 I think the looting was- Was that sixty-eight-ish? 2616.0493 2403 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2616.6089 When did- When was Martin Luther King- King 2618.3330 2404 DCB_int_01 2618.5009 That [was sixty] eight. 2619.4008 2405 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2618.6221 [killed?] 2618.9951 2406 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2619.6246 He was killed in sixty eight? 2620.7997 2407 DCB_int_01 2622.0727 Am I making that up? 2622.8747 2408 DCB_int_01 2622.8747 (pause 0.24) 2623.1160 2409 DCB_int_01 2623.1160 Or [sixty] three? 2623.8900 2410 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2623.3212 [No.] 2623.6103 2411 DCB_int_01 2625.0324 Maybe it's sixty three. 2626.0163 2412 DCB_int_01 2626.0163 (pause 0.12) 2626.1329 2413 DCB_int_01 2626.1329 Now I'm getting all confused. 2627.4945 2414 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2627.5178 Me too. 2628.0354 2415 DCB_int_01 2629.0379 Sixties. 2629.6802 2416 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2630.2724 It was in the [sixties. I was a little girl] in the sixties. 2633.1121 2417 DCB_int_01 2630.8040 [] 2631.9510 2418 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2633.2147 I was 2633.7090 2419 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2633.7090 (pause 0.42) 2634.1286 2420 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2634.1286 born in sixty one. 2635.2244 2421 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2635.2244 (pause 0.84) 2636.0626 2422 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2636.0626 So 2636.8319 2423 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2636.8319 (pause 0.19) 2637.0231 2424 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2637.0231 I think 2637.9510 2425 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2637.9510 (pause 1.41) 2639.3592 2426 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2639.3592 I remember 2640.3664 2427 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2640.3664 (pause 1.66) 2642.0252 2428 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2642.0252 the march on Washington. My mother was- 2644.9151 2429 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2644.9151 (pause 0.14) 2645.0503 2430 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2645.0503 So he was still alive, 2646.3606 2431 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2646.3606 (pause 1.66) 2648.0252 2432 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2648.0252 and I shoulda know this cause I saw something about Kennedy the other day 2650.9159 2433 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2650.9159 (pause 1.17) 2652.0901 2434 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2652.0901 on hi- by his assassination, but 2654.0765 2435 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2654.0765 (pause 0.18) 2654.2584 2436 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2654.2584 um, 2654.6174 2437 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2654.6174 (pause 2.67) 2657.2881 2438 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2657.2881 2657.4047 2439 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2657.4047 (pause 0.06) 2657.4606 2440 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2657.4606 I know my mother said she didn't go to the march on Washington because 2660.4356 2441 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2660.4356 (pause 3.17) 2663.6098 2442 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2663.6098 she was pregnant with 2665.0320 2443 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2665.0320 (pause 1.45) 2666.4810 2444 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2666.4810 my brother. 2667.1805 2445 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2667.1805 (pause 1.13) 2668.3089 2446 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2668.3089 Think my younger brother, so that was sixty three. 2670.5890 2447 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2670.5890 (pause 2.70) 2673.2924 2448 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2673.2924 So that means I was- 2674.7425 2449 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2674.7425 (pause 1.52) 2676.2673 2450 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2676.2673 I don't know. 2676.7476 2451 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2676.7476 (pause 1.33) 2678.0800 2452 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2678.0800 I don't have any independent recollection of that. 2680.5187 2453 DCB_int_01 2680.9057 Mm. 2681.1342 2454 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2681.3394 I- 2681.6705 2455 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2681.6705 (pause 0.35) 2682.0248 2456 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2682.0248 I have 2682.7942 2457 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2682.7942 (pause 0.84) 2683.6335 2458 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2683.6335 some 2684.1604 2459 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2684.1604 (pause 0.66) 2684.8168 2460 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2684.8168 remembrances of things that happened in the sixties like, 2687.7171 2461 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2687.7171 (pause 0.82) 2688.5378 2462 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2688.5378 um, 2689.1486 2463 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2689.1486 (pause 3.93) 2693.0829 2464 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2693.0829 I remember my mother talking about- And I don't remember this, but I remember my mother talking about- So we lived 2698.3278 2465 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2698.3278 (pause 1.11) 2699.4420 2466 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2699.4420 um- 2699.8989 2467 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2699.8989 (pause 0.84) 2700.7383 2468 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2700.7383 So we lived- There's this bridge called the Susan Bridge, 2703.3530 2469 DCB_int_01 2704.1503 Mm-hm. 2704.4814 2470 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2704.5234 which separated 2705.6331 2471 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2705.6331 (pause 0.67) 2706.2999 2472 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2706.2999 um, 2706.6870 2473 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2706.6870 (pause 1.12) 2707.8061 2474 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2707.8061 Southeast from b- really the rest of the city. 2710.0944 2475 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2710.0944 (pause 0.72) 2710.8171 2476 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2710.8171 And so 2711.7590 2477 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2711.7590 (pause 0.93) 2712.6916 2478 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2712.6916 when 2713.1439 2479 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2713.1439 (pause 0.16) 2713.3071 2480 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2713.3071 the- either the ri- when the riots happened, they- 2716.2296 2481 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2716.2296 (pause 0.57) 2716.7985 2482 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2716.7985 they had the um- 2717.9176 2483 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2717.9176 (pause 1.74) 2719.6568 2484 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2719.6568 2719.7827 2485 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2719.7827 (pause 0.06) 2719.8387 2486 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2719.8387 What do you call those 2720.9380 2487 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2720.9380 (pause 0.55) 2721.4836 2488 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2721.4836 people? 2721.9172 2489 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2721.9172 (pause 1.48) 2723.3953 2490 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2723.3953 The National Guard 2724.6870 2491 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2724.6870 (pause 1.53) 2726.2199 2492 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2726.2199 shut the bridge down, 2727.3623 2493 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2727.3623 (pause 1.66) 2729.0176 2494 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2729.0176 so we couldn't get in or out. 2730.6543 2495 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2730.6543 (pause 1.24) 2731.8900 2496 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2731.8900 And so my mother used to always say- And not- She's not the only one that said this. I heard a lot of people say this- 2736.5004 2497 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2736.5004 (pause 0.35) 2736.8502 2498 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2736.8502 That was to contain the black people 2738.5568 2499 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2738.5568 (pause 1.09) 2739.6514 2500 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2739.6514 cause most of the black people lived across the bridge in Southeast. 2742.4212 2501 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2742.4212 (pause 2.37) 2744.7934 2502 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2744.7934 Um, 2745.3343 2503 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2745.3343 (pause 1.55) 2746.8871 2504 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2746.8871 I also remember 2748.0248 2505 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2748.0248 (pause 1.49) 2749.5170 2506 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2749.5170 at the church 2750.2716 2507 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2750.2716 (pause 0.55) 2750.8261 2508 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2750.8261 that I w- went to, which was across the street, 2752.9384 2509 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2752.9384 (pause 0.24) 2753.1808 2510 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2753.1808 um- 2753.5865 2511 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2753.5865 (pause 3.32) 2756.9100 2512 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2756.9100 I don't know what this was, but 2758.1876 2513 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2758.1876 (pause 0.55) 2758.7332 2514 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2758.7332 they had- we had a very liberal minister. He w- 2761.0180 2515 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2761.0180 (pause 0.11) 2761.1299 2516 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2761.1299 He was a white guy, but for some reason he wanted to come to a black church. 2764.2250 2517 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2764.2250 (pause 1.28) 2765.5026 2518 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2765.5026 And um- 2766.1414 2519 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2766.1414 (pause 2.62) 2768.7608 2520 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2768.7608 Probably to prove how liberal he was. 2770.5141 2521 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2770.5141 (pause 1.05) 2771.5679 2522 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2771.5679 And he had- 2772.2626 2523 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2772.2626 (pause 0.94) 2773.1999 2524 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2773.1999 He /rused/ to wear his hair- hair long which 2774.9380 2525 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2774.9380 (pause 0.53) 2775.4649 2526 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2775.4649 the men- 2775.8566 2527 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2775.8566 (pause 0.12) 2775.9778 2528 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2775.9778 the white men did at that time. 2777.4466 2529 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2777.4466 (pause 1.36) 2778.8082 2530 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2778.8082 So you know, he was kind of a different priest kind- type of minister, 2781.9579 2531 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2781.9579 (pause 0.37) 2782.3275 2532 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2782.3275 you know, 2782.7006 2533 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2782.7006 (pause 1.00) 2783.7031 2534 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2783.7031 and real progressive- 2785.2164 2535 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2785.2164 (pause 0.43) 2785.6475 2536 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2785.6475 Whatever. 2786.2572 2537 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2786.2572 (pause 1.27) 2787.5255 2538 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2787.5255 I remember there being 2788.8358 2539 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2788.8358 (pause 0.41) 2789.2508 2540 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2789.2508 people- 2789.6331 2541 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2789.6331 (pause 0.21) 2789.8476 2542 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2789.8476 They let people sleep in the church 2791.5216 2543 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2791.5216 (pause 0.86) 2792.3784 2544 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2792.3784 when people- And that might have been Vietnam. 2794.0384 2545 DCB_int_01 2795.4933 Mm. 2795.6705 2546 DCB_int_01 2795.6705 (pause 0.23) 2795.8989 2547 DCB_int_01 2795.8989 Mm-hm. 2796.2160 2548 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2796.4305 You know, it was 2797.2279 2549 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2797.2279 (pause 0.21) 2797.4330 2550 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2797.4330 a lot going on in DC. 2798.6127 2551 DCB_int_01 2798.8354 [/Yeah./] 2799.1012 2552 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2798.8541 [But I] was real little, 2799.6841 2553 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2799.9032 so 2800.5374 2554 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2800.5374 (pause 1.05) 2801.5865 2555 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2801.5865 um, 2801.9642 2556 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2801.9642 (pause 2.16) 2804.1231 2557 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2804.1231 that mighta been when the people came to protest for Vietnam, 2806.6525 2558 DCB_int_01 2806.7938 Okay. 2807.1482 2559 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2807.2508 and then he would let them sleep. 2808.5937 2560 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2808.5937 (pause 0.52) 2809.1160 2561 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2809.1160 They would- 2809.4470 2562 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2809.4470 (pause 0.20) 2809.6475 2563 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2809.6475 They would camp- They could camp out in the church. I remember that- 2812.5653 2564 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2812.5653 (pause 1.07) 2813.6378 2565 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2813.6378 visually remembering that. 2814.9061 2566 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2814.9061 (pause 1.52) 2816.4251 2567 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2816.4251 You know. 2816.8272 2568 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2816.8272 (pause 1.26) 2818.0851 2569 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2818.0851 If I had other people, my friends, my brothers here, they probably could jog my memory. 2822.2211 2570 DCB_int_01 2823.0825 And I have no [recollection], like, [you know.] 2825.0410 2571 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2823.9918 [Yeah.] 2824.4954 2572 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2824.4954 (pause 0.24) 2824.7379 2573 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2824.7379 [I] know you wouldn't have any recollection of any of it. 2827.0880 2574 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2827.2792 Yeah, so 2828.1838 2575 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2828.1838 (pause 1.27) 2829.4556 2576 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2829.4556 you know. 2829.7680 2577 DCB_int_01 2830.1923 So how did you get to /RD-SCHOOL-1/? 2831.3487 2578 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2833.2838 Um, 2833.9459 2579 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2833.9459 (pause 1.37) 2835.3110 2580 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2835.3110 I am- 2836.0150 2581 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2836.0150 (pause 0.64) 2836.6539 2582 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2836.6539 Back then, 2837.3067 2583 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2837.3067 (pause 4.07) 2841.3810 2584 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2841.3810 they were dying for black kids. 2843.0969 2585 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2843.0969 (pause 1.75) 2844.8502 2586 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2844.8502 Black kids, they thought were smart, 2846.3132 2587 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2846.3132 (pause 0.21) 2846.5230 2588 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2846.5230 and they would throw money at you. 2847.7587 2589 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2847.7587 (pause 1.29) 2849.0456 2590 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2849.0456 2849.1575 2591 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2849.1575 (pause 0.89) 2850.0481 2592 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2850.0481 Um, 2850.5517 2593 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2850.5517 (pause 0.22) 2850.7709 2594 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2850.7709 somehow though, I decided that that was the um- 2853.5628 2595 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2853.5628 (pause 2.63) 2856.1927 2596 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2856.1927 I don't know how I decided that. 2857.6335 2597 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2857.6335 (pause 2.96) 2860.5980 2598 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2860.5980 That was the school I wanted to go to somehow I decided, and so I- 2864.4589 2599 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2864.4589 (pause 0.69) 2865.1525 2600 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2865.1525 I applied Early Decision. 2866.6866 2601 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2866.6866 (pause 1.34) 2868.0295 2602 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2868.0295 And I got in. 2868.7196 2603 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2868.7196 (pause 1.73) 2870.4531 2604 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2870.4531 And I got some money, but 2871.5442 2605 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2871.5442 (pause 0.14) 2871.6887 2606 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2871.6887 back then, money did- it didn't even really, you know- 2874.0621 2607 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2874.0621 (pause 0.43) 2874.4958 2608 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2874.4958 You didn't even need that much money to go to college. 2876.9985 2609 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2876.9985 (pause 0.26) 2877.2551 2610 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2877.2551 Not like you do today. 2878.3275 2611 DCB_int_01 2878.4161 Right. 2878.7658 2612 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2879.0876 So my parents probably coulda paid for it. 2881.3211 2613 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2881.3211 (pause 0.14) 2881.4563 2614 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2881.4563 They w- 2881.6988 2615 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2881.6988 (pause 0.43) 2882.1278 2616 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2882.1278 coulda paid for it anyway, 2883.3157 2617 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2883.3157 (pause 0.13) 2883.4416 2618 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2883.4416 but 2883.6234 2619 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2883.6234 (pause 0.99) 2884.6120 2620 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2884.6120 I did get some money. 2885.6378 2621 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2885.6378 (pause 1.78) 2887.4190 2622 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2887.4190 Um, 2887.9506 2623 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2887.9506 (pause 0.13) 2888.0800 2624 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2888.0800 and then I went- 2888.7748 2625 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2888.7748 (pause 0.37) 2889.1478 2626 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2889.1478 Then I- 2889.5718 2627 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2889.5718 (pause 0.32) 2889.8892 2628 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2889.8892 I um- 2890.4068 2629 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2890.4068 (pause 2.34) 2892.7476 2630 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2892.7476 2892.8455 2631 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2892.8455 (pause 1.88) 2894.7235 2632 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2894.7235 I w- 2895.0033 2633 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2895.0033 (pause 0.41) 2895.4183 2634 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2895.4183 went there. 2895.9125 2635 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2895.9125 (pause 0.78) 2896.6912 2636 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2896.6912 And then there was another girl from my neighborhood that I knew that was a- 2899.6102 2637 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2899.6102 (pause 0.43) 2900.0439 2638 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2900.0439 there before me so I went up there and visited. 2902.4907 2639 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2902.4907 (pause 1.26) 2903.7544 2640 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2903.7544 And um, 2904.7429 2641 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2904.7429 (pause 1.56) 2906.3003 2642 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2906.3003 you know, 2906.6407 2643 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2906.6407 (pause 0.17) 2906.8121 2644 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2906.8121 I really liked it. 2907.5255 2645 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2907.5255 (pause 2.05) 2909.5772 2646 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2909.5772 I mean I liked it. 2910.4445 2647 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2910.4445 (pause 1.53) 2911.9739 2648 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2911.9739 I don't think I applied to any other school. 2913.5721 2649 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2913.5721 (pause 2.01) 2915.5865 2650 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2915.5865 I don't remember applying to any other school. 2917.3304 2651 DCB_int_01 2918.7095 So how'd you get back to /RD-SCHOOL-4/? 2920.0384 2652 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2921.0223 Well this is the private- per- personal part of it. 2923.5403 2653 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2923.5403 (pause 0.20) 2923.7361 2654 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2923.7361 I had 2924.3843 2655 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2924.3843 (pause 0.11) 2924.4950 2656 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2924.4950 a- 2924.6163 2657 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2924.6163 (pause 0.26) 2924.8774 2658 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2924.8774 um- 2925.0872 2659 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2925.0872 (pause 0.35) 2925.4323 2660 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2925.4323 really big problem with depression. 2926.9524 2661 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2926.9524 (pause 1.04) 2927.9922 2662 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2927.9922 And I still do. 2928.8548 2663 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2928.8548 (pause 0.80) 2929.6522 2664 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2929.6522 Um, 2930.1791 2665 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2930.1791 (pause 0.85) 2931.0266 2666 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2931.0266 so 2931.6094 2667 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2931.6094 (pause 0.14) 2931.7493 2668 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2931.7493 I- 2932.3229 2669 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2932.3229 (pause 0.61) 2932.9337 2670 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2932.9337 And it started when I was in high school. 2934.9621 2671 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2934.9621 (pause 0.64) 2935.6009 2672 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2935.6009 I had my first episode in high school. 2937.4509 2673 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2937.4509 (pause 1.58) 2939.0316 2674 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2939.0316 And then, 2939.6844 2675 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2939.6844 (pause 0.79) 2940.4771 2676 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2940.4771 my parents, 2941.1999 2677 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2941.1999 (pause 1.21) 2942.4064 2678 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2942.4064 because they were 2943.2411 2679 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2943.2411 (pause 1.05) 2944.2902 2680 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2944.2902 educated and progressive, 2946.1507 2681 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2946.1507 (pause 1.21) 2947.3631 2682 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2947.3631 and f- 2948.1884 2683 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2948.1884 (pause 1.71) 2949.9032 2684 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2949.9032 They- You know, there wasn't- 2951.0923 2685 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2951.0923 (pause 0.55) 2951.6425 2686 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2951.6425 They didn't have that- 2952.9154 2687 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2952.9154 (pause 0.22) 2953.1393 2688 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2953.1393 I mean I have to say that that's what it is because you know, people in the black community do not 2956.9850 2689 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2956.9850 (pause 0.31) 2957.2928 2690 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2957.2928 deal well with 2958.1274 2691 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2958.1274 (pause 0.55) 2958.6730 2692 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2958.6730 mental illness. And that's a special 2960.4169 2693 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2960.4169 (pause 0.41) 2960.8261 2694 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2960.8261 um, 2961.1711 2695 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2961.1711 (pause 0.62) 2961.7960 2696 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2961.7960 issue t- That's a 2962.6073 2697 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2962.6073 (pause 0.16) 2962.7658 2698 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2962.7658 issue of great concern to me. 2964.3979 2699 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2964.3979 (pause 1.45) 2965.8434 2700 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2965.8434 You know, being with somebody who has struggled with mental illness, 2968.2669 2701 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2968.2669 (pause 1.06) 2969.3254 2702 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2969.3254 and um, 2970.1134 2703 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2970.1134 (pause 1.97) 2972.0812 2704 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2972.0812 they sent me to a psychiatrist. 2973.7074 2705 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2973.7074 (pause 0.62) 2974.3225 2706 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2974.3225 He was a black guy, 2975.2461 2707 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2975.2461 (pause 0.62) 2975.8663 2708 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2975.8663 probably one of the few in the city 2977.2745 2709 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2977.2745 (pause 0.34) 2977.6149 2710 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2977.6149 at the time. 2978.1744 2711 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2978.1744 (pause 0.74) 2978.9147 2712 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2978.9147 And so I- 2979.9498 2713 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2979.9498 (pause 1.04) 2980.9850 2714 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2980.9850 You know, that's when I got diagnosed. 2982.7429 2715 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2982.7429 (pause 1.62) 2984.3609 2716 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2984.3609 But he thought that I 2985.6343 2717 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2985.6343 (pause 0.10) 2985.7307 2718 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2985.7307 um, 2986.1410 2719 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2986.1410 (pause 0.49) 2986.6306 2720 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2986.6306 was just having a- 2987.6238 2721 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2987.6238 (pause 1.45) 2989.0740 2722 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2989.0740 like a- 2989.5170 2723 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2989.5170 (pause 0.59) 2990.1045 2724 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2990.1045 You know they have this thing with like- 2991.3250 2725 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2991.3250 (pause 1.20) 2992.5234 2726 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2992.5234 that I 2992.9570 2727 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2992.9570 (pause 0.12) 2993.0736 2728 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2993.0736 was having an episode because I was- 2995.1113 2729 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2995.1113 (pause 0.90) 2996.0101 2730 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2996.0101 because it was 2996.6442 2731 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2996.6442 (pause 0.21) 2996.8587 2732 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2996.8587 l- like separation 2998.2623 2733 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2998.2623 (pause 1.12) 2999.3814 2734 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 2999.3814 from y- my parents, 3000.5051 2735 DCB_int_01 3000.4771 Mm. 3000.6683 2736 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3000.7243 that 3000.8595 2737 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3000.8595 (pause 0.22) 3001.0833 2738 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3001.0833 you know, 3001.3491 2739 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3001.3491 (pause 1.40) 3002.7468 2740 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3002.7468 um, in going away to college. 3004.5933 2741 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3004.5933 (pause 0.43) 3005.0223 2742 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3005.0223 But it turned out to be something 3006.5704 2743 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3006.5704 (pause 0.28) 3006.8455 2744 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3006.8455 more than that. So when I went to sc- when I went away, 3009.5675 2745 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3009.5675 (pause 0.72) 3010.2856 2746 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3010.2856 I 3010.8824 2747 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3010.8824 (pause 1.33) 3012.2160 2748 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3012.2160 had another episode, 3013.4983 2749 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3013.4983 (pause 0.54) 3014.0381 2750 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3014.0381 and so I- You know, I didn't 3016.1037 2751 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3016.1037 (pause 0.52) 3016.6213 2752 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3016.6213 really know how to deal with it. 3018.0668 2753 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3018.0668 (pause 0.70) 3018.7709 2754 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3018.7709 So I just decided that I wanted to come home. 3020.7013 2755 DCB_int_01 3021.1059 Mm. 3021.3577 2756 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3021.9778 You know, and I came home. 3023.4047 2757 DCB_int_01 3026.5510 And /RD-SCHOOL-4/- 3027.3064 2758 DCB_int_01 3027.3064 (pause 0.27) 3027.5768 2759 DCB_int_01 3027.5768 And you went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/. 3028.5980 2760 DCB_int_01 3028.5980 (pause 0.46) 3029.0596 2761 DCB_int_01 3029.0596 Did you get [really]- 3029.9036 2762 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3029.5912 [] 3029.8989 2763 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3030.0948 I hated /RD-SCHOOL-4/. 3031.0460 2764 DCB_int_01 3031.2418 Well, 3031.5729 2765 DCB_int_01 3031.5729 (pause 0.15) 3031.7268 2766 DCB_int_01 3031.7268 Georgetown is great. No- (laughing). 3033.1478 2767 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3033.3950 [Geo- I should have gone- I wanted to go] to Georgetown. I mean, I don't know what Georgetown's like now, but 3037.3677 2768 DCB_int_01 3033.4089 [] 3034.8871 2769 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3037.9786 Georgetown back then- 3039.1851 2770 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3039.1851 (pause 0.57) 3039.7540 2771 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3039.7540 You know, you're talking about the Georgetown of those basketball players. 3042.7383 2772 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3042.7383 (pause 0.95) 3043.6930 2773 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3043.6930 Okay, 3044.1091 2774 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3044.1091 (pause 0.07) 3044.1779 2775 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3044.1779 that was- 3044.7934 2776 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3044.7934 (pause 0.57) 3045.3670 2777 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3045.3670 We used to- We used to even go- There was a place 3047.7311 2778 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3047.7311 (pause 0.12) 3047.8523 2779 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3047.8523 on Georgetown's campus. 3050.3423 2780 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3050.3423 (pause 1.64) 3051.9871 2781 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3051.9871 I can't remember the name of it now (whispering). 3053.4653 2782 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3053.4653 (pause 0.66) 3054.1228 2783 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3054.1228 But it was like The Cellar. 3055.3258 2784 DCB_int_01 3055.9926 The Tombs. 3056.7899 2785 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3057.1432 Yeah, the- I think they changed names. 3058.9664 2786 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3058.9664 (pause 0.18) 3059.1482 2787 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3059.1482 We- They had black night there. 3060.7569 2788 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3060.7569 (pause 1.61) 3062.3691 2789 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3062.3691 And that place, 3062.9753 2790 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3062.9753 (pause 0.18) 3063.1525 2791 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3063.1525 which was hopping, 3064.0571 2792 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3064.0571 (pause 0.13) 3064.1876 2793 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3064.1876 okay? 3064.5420 2794 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3064.5420 (pause 0.79) 3065.3347 2795 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3065.3347 It was like Thursday nights or something like that. 3067.6242 2796 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3067.6242 (pause 1.21) 3068.8307 2797 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3068.8307 But that was when Patrick Ewing and 3070.6400 2798 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3070.6400 (pause 1.45) 3072.0854 2799 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3072.0854 them were there, 3072.8688 2800 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3072.8688 (pause 0.17) 3073.0413 2801 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3073.0413 and 3073.3398 2802 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3073.3398 (pause 0.13) 3073.4703 2803 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3073.4703 it was 3073.8947 2804 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3073.8947 (pause 0.31) 3074.2024 2805 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3074.2024 very- 3074.7666 2806 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3074.7666 (pause 0.45) 3075.2178 2807 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3075.2178 They had quite- 3075.9545 2808 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3075.9545 (pause 0.27) 3076.2203 2809 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3076.2203 You know, and I hear this about 3077.4560 2810 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3077.4560 (pause 0.32) 3077.7777 2811 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3077.7777 a lot of the colleges throughout the country. They're not as um- 3080.9985 2812 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3080.9985 (pause 0.55) 3081.5442 2813 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3081.5442 Cause I had a girlfriend that when to Brown, and you would go on Brown's campus, 3084.6497 2814 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3084.6497 (pause 1.01) 3085.6615 2815 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3085.6615 and you wouldn't know you were on a white school campus. 3088.0431 2816 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3088.0431 (pause 1.09) 3089.1342 2817 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3089.1342 They would have parties- Like, they were partying in the hood 3091.6056 2818 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3091.6056 (pause 1.52) 3093.1292 2819 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3093.1292 on Brown's campus. And same with Harvard. 3094.9291 2820 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3094.9291 (pause 1.40) 3096.3326 2821 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3096.3326 Cause when I was in- in Boston, we would go to Harvard, 3098.7795 2822 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3098.7795 (pause 0.94) 3099.7214 2823 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3099.7214 and 3099.9732 2824 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3099.9732 (pause 0.68) 3100.6539 2825 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3100.6539 I mean- 3101.0689 2826 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3101.0689 (pause 0.55) 3101.6145 2827 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3101.6145 But I understand the schools are not like that anymore. 3104.0952 2828 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3104.0952 (pause 0.68) 3104.7748 2829 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3104.7748 And that's how Georgetown was. 3106.1783 2830 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3106.1783 (pause 1.70) 3107.8756 2831 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3107.8756 Okay? 3108.2347 2832 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3108.2347 (pause 0.97) 3109.2045 2833 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3109.2045 And /RD-SCHOOL-4/ did- 3109.9972 2834 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3109.9972 (pause 0.13) 3110.1278 2835 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3110.1278 s- I don't know how /RD-SCHOOL-4/ fell- fell by the [wayside] (laughing). 3113.1762 2836 DCB_int_01 3112.5793 [] 3113.2928 2837 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3113.8710 But /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was not 3114.9947 2838 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3114.9947 (pause 0.28) 3115.2792 2839 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3115.2792 um, 3115.5916 2840 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3115.5916 (pause 0.69) 3116.2805 2841 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3116.2805 you know- 3116.6407 2842 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3116.6407 (pause 0.37) 3117.0079 2843 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3117.0079 It wasn't quite like that, 3118.1410 2844 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3118.1410 (pause 0.28) 3118.4161 2845 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3118.4161 but 3118.6866 2846 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3118.6866 (pause 1.06) 3119.7497 2847 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3119.7497 it was um- 3120.5378 2848 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3120.5378 (pause 0.43) 3120.9714 2849 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3120.9714 And you know, I was a commuter student too, so it was kind of hard to get really- 3124.8451 2850 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3124.8451 (pause 0.71) 3125.5539 2851 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3125.5539 And it was so different from /RD-SCHOOL-1/. I had- 3127.4703 2852 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3127.4703 (pause 0.80) 3128.2677 2853 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3128.2677 I made such- 3129.2457 2854 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3129.2457 (pause 0.16) 3129.4043 2855 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3129.4043 As a matter of fact, one of my best friends to this day, even though I was there for a half an hour- 3133.2512 2856 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3133.2512 (pause 0.59) 3133.8434 2857 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3133.8434 The I was telling you who- 3134.9420 2858 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3134.9420 (pause 0.51) 3135.4556 2859 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3135.4556 who's on the 3135.9965 2860 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3135.9965 (pause 0.33) 3136.3275 2861 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3136.3275 uh, 3136.5840 2862 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3136.5840 (pause 0.19) 3136.7705 2863 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3136.7705 Board of Directors of the Boys and Girls Club in Westchester? 3139.1672 2864 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3139.1672 (pause 0.53) 3139.6988 2865 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3139.6988 I met her at /RD-SCHOOL-1/. 3140.7013 2866 DCB_int_01 3141.0499 Mm. 3141.3763 2867 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3141.5721 She's still my good friend. 3142.7388 2868 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3142.7388 (pause 0.64) 3143.3767 2869 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3143.3767 I mean like, for- 3144.1927 2870 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3144.1927 (pause 0.15) 3144.3466 2871 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3144.3466 thirty something years later. 3145.6137 2872 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3145.6137 (pause 1.85) 3147.4602 2873 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3147.4602 And she's the Godmother to my daughter, 3149.2368 2874 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3149.2368 (pause 0.83) 3150.0715 2875 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3150.0715 so 3150.6450 2876 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3150.6450 (pause 0.50) 3151.1486 2877 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3151.1486 you know, I 3151.6802 2878 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3151.6802 (pause 0.17) 3151.8527 2879 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3151.8527 really bonded with a lot of people there 3153.8333 2880 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3153.8333 (pause 0.63) 3154.4628 2881 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3154.4628 at /RD-SCHOOL-1/. 3155.0876 2882 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3155.0876 (pause 0.55) 3155.6331 2883 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3155.6331 So I was heartbroken when I had to come home, but I was just too sick. 3158.7386 2884 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3158.7386 (pause 1.59) 3160.3275 2885 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3160.3275 You know, I was too sick, or I f- 3162.0248 2886 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3162.0248 (pause 0.20) 3162.2253 2887 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3162.2253 You know. 3162.6030 2888 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3162.6030 (pause 2.49) 3165.0919 2889 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3165.0919 So 3165.7027 2890 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3165.7027 (pause 0.10) 3165.8012 2891 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3165.8012 um, that's how I ended- I actually made the decision to go to /RD-SCHOOL-4/ because I didn't have a car, 3170.2584 2892 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3170.2584 (pause 1.07) 3171.3250 2893 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3171.3250 and 3171.9732 2894 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3171.9732 (pause 1.25) 3173.2275 2895 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3173.2275 I knew 3173.5819 2896 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3173.5819 (pause 0.43) 3174.0155 2897 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3174.0155 I would have to catch the Metro. 3175.3351 2898 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3175.3351 (pause 1.08) 3176.4169 2899 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3176.4169 So it was a practical decision. 3178.3969 2900 misc 3180.5657 I'm just saying goodnight and let you know I'm leaving. 3182.0858 2901 DCB_int_01 3182.1931 Goodnight, I'll see you Monday. 3183.3530 2902 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3183.4462 Goodnight. 3183.8892 2903 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3183.8892 (pause 1.10) 3184.9850 2904 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3184.9850 I didn't wanna go to Howard because I didn't think- 3186.8035 2905 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3186.8035 (pause 0.70) 3187.5076 2906 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3187.5076 Well, 3187.7268 2907 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3187.7268 (pause 0.13) 3187.8574 2908 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3187.8574 that's another thing. My girlfriend and I were talking about this. 3190.2880 2909 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3190.2880 (pause 0.75) 3191.0363 2910 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3191.0363 /Unintelligible/. 3191.5259 2911 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3191.5259 (pause 0.11) 3191.6331 2912 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3191.6331 The same girlfriend of mine because her son goes to Howard, and now my daughter goes to Spelman. And we were like, 3196.0757 2913 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3196.0757 (pause 0.12) 3196.1970 2914 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3196.1970 wait a minute. 3196.7658 2915 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3196.7658 (pause 1.77) 3198.5331 2916 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3198.5331 You know, 3198.9527 2917 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3198.9527 (pause 0.39) 3199.3444 2918 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3199.3444 it's something about 3200.2304 2919 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3200.2304 (pause 0.56) 3200.7934 2920 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3200.7934 that 3201.0359 2921 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3201.0359 (pause 0.24) 3201.2784 2922 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3201.2784 generation. Now you- 3202.2902 2923 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3202.2902 (pause 0.61) 3202.9011 2924 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3202.9011 you know, you 3203.3720 2925 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3203.3720 (pause 0.35) 3203.7264 2926 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3203.7264 are clearly the exception but 3205.1393 2927 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3205.1393 (pause 0.14) 3205.2792 2928 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3205.2792 it's something about that generation. We 3207.2691 2929 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3207.2691 (pause 0.72) 3207.9918 2930 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3207.9918 were like- 3208.5793 2931 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3208.5793 (pause 0.66) 3209.2368 2932 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3209.2368 My parents went to black schools. 3211.1999 2933 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3211.1999 (pause 0.67) 3211.8713 2934 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3211.8713 They had to go to black schools. 3213.3716 2935 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3213.3716 (pause 0.90) 3214.2669 2936 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3214.2669 Her parents went to black schools. They had to go to black schools. 3217.2558 2937 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3217.2558 (pause 3.05) 3220.3089 2938 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3220.3089 O- Once we got the o- 3221.6565 2939 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3221.6565 (pause 0.18) 3221.8383 2940 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3221.8383 the- 3222.0901 2941 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3222.0901 (pause 0.80) 3222.8875 2942 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3222.8875 the choice, 3223.8247 2943 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3223.8247 (pause 1.48) 3225.3017 2944 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3225.3017 a lot of us turned- 3226.3415 2945 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3226.3415 (pause 0.30) 3226.6446 2946 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3226.6446 turned our noses up against black schools. 3228.7522 2947 DCB_int_01 3229.1766 Mm. 3229.4517 2948 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3229.4936 So Howard wasn't even really a consideration for me. 3232.0804 2949 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3232.0804 (pause 0.44) 3232.5234 2950 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3232.5234 Even though I know- 3233.1622 2951 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3233.1622 (pause 0.19) 3233.3487 2952 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3233.3487 I know 3233.6751 2953 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3233.6751 (pause 0.17) 3233.8476 2954 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3233.8476 people that went to Howard. 3234.8175 2955 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3234.8175 (pause 1.03) 3235.8480 2956 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3235.8480 You know, but a lot of people 3236.9939 2957 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3236.9939 (pause 0.22) 3237.2178 2958 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3237.2178 in 3237.4089 2959 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3237.4089 (pause 0.25) 3237.6607 2960 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3237.6607 this city went- they went to Howard by default. 3239.5212 2961 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3239.5212 (pause 2.11) 3241.6335 2962 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3241.6335 /Funny./ 3242.2071 2963 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3242.2071 (pause 0.43) 3242.6349 2964 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3242.6349 You know (laughing). 3243.2784 2965 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3243.2784 (pause 2.92) 3246.2020 2966 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3246.2020 You know, so 3247.0040 2967 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3247.0040 (pause 1.30) 3248.3050 2968 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3248.3050 you know. But that's how I felt about it. 3250.0105 2969 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3250.0105 (pause 0.11) 3250.1177 2970 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3250.1177 And when she and I talked about it, 3251.5212 2971 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3251.5212 (pause 0.16) 3251.6798 2972 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3251.6798 and she was like, Well that- 3252.9574 2973 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3252.9574 (pause 0.71) 3253.6662 2974 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3253.6662 you know, that's had to have been going- 3255.0452 2975 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3255.0452 (pause 0.28) 3255.3297 2976 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3255.3297 Aside from the fact that 3256.4348 2977 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3256.4348 (pause 0.11) 3256.5467 2978 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3256.5467 white schools w- 3257.1808 2979 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3257.1808 (pause 0.32) 3257.4979 2980 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3257.4979 were throwing money at us. 3258.6497 2981 DCB_int_01 3259.1253 Mm. 3259.3118 2982 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3260.1686 So 3260.5988 2983 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3260.5988 (pause 0.65) 3261.2504 2984 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3261.2504 you know- 3261.6328 2985 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3261.6328 (pause 3.11) 3264.7476 2986 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3264.7476 you know that was a big consideration too. 3266.3703 2987 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3266.3703 (pause 0.66) 3267.0312 2988 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3267.0312 But that didn't h- have say anything to do with why I didn't apply to Howard. 3270.0062 2989 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3270.0062 (pause 1.17) 3271.1766 2990 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3271.1766 [You know.] 3271.5779 2991 DCB_int_01 3271.1859 [] 3273.1805 2992 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3271.8900 [] 3272.6722 2993 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3273.3810 But Howard did not have- Howard didn't have a Metro at the time either. 3276.6217 2994 DCB_int_01 3278.0439 That is true. 3278.6873 2995 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3279.4323 Howard did not have a Metro, so /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was 3282.0481 2996 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3282.0481 (pause 1.15) 3283.1952 2997 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3283.1952 Catholic, 3283.8480 2998 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3283.8480 (pause 1.01) 3284.8587 2999 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3284.8587 AU. 3285.3343 3000 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3285.3343 (pause 0.83) 3286.1643 3001 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3286.1643 I didn't think about those. 3287.2601 3002 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3287.2601 (pause 0.97) 3288.2253 3003 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3288.2253 So that's how I ended up at /RD-SCHOOL-4/. 3289.9972 3004 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3289.9972 (pause 1.53) 3291.5255 3005 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3291.5255 And um, 3292.2389 3006 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3292.2389 (pause 0.31) 3292.5514 3007 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3292.5514 /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was not as hard as /RD-SCHOOL-1/. 3294.4305 3008 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3294.4305 (pause 1.19) 3295.6195 3009 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3295.6195 That's another thing. That's ho- [I mean] because I've been to- through different schools, I can say 3299.5529 3010 DCB_int_01 3296.7282 [Hm?] 3296.9333 3011 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3300.7056 you know, that certain schools are harder than others. 3302.8832 3012 DCB_int_01 3303.2644 Mm-hm. 3303.5721 3013 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3304.5280 You know, 3304.8200 3014 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3304.8200 (pause 0.12) 3304.9430 3015 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3304.9430 /RD-SCHOOL-4/ wasn't as hard as /RD-SCHOOL-1/. 3306.6077 3016 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3306.6077 (pause 1.80) 3308.4029 3017 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3308.4029 You know. 3308.7806 3018 DCB_int_01 3309.4556 That surprises me. 3310.4861 3019 DCB_int_01 3310.4861 (pause 0.94) 3311.4280 3020 DCB_int_01 3311.4280 People talk about the academic rigor of /RD-SCHOOL-4/. 3313.7081 3021 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3313.7128 I think /RD-SCHOOL-4/ has changed. 3315.2924 3022 DCB_int_01 3315.6607 Mm. 3316.1410 3023 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3316.6446 I don't know, maybe it hasn't. 3317.8243 3024 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3317.8243 (pause 2.24) 3320.0672 3025 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3320.0672 I don't know. 3320.5894 3026 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3320.5894 (pause 0.67) 3321.2644 3027 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3321.2644 Maybe it was just my experience, but- 3323.1482 3028 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3323.1482 (pause 0.08) 3323.2321 3029 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3323.2321 but maybe 3323.8430 3030 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3323.8430 (pause 0.10) 3323.9456 3031 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3323.9456 they talk about the academic /of/ rigor, but 3325.9459 3032 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3325.9459 (pause 0.66) 3326.6081 3033 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3326.6081 /RD-SCHOOL-1/ was a little Ivy. 3328.0711 3034 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3328.0711 (pause 1.23) 3329.3021 3035 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3329.3021 I mean as /academic r- -ly/ as /RD-SCHOOL-4/ may or may not be, it is not academically as rigorous, 3335.2508 3036 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3335.2508 (pause 0.12) 3335.3674 3037 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3335.3674 a- I can say for sure, as Harvard. 3337.4424 3038 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3337.4424 (pause 0.88) 3338.3236 3039 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3338.3236 So [you have] different levels of academic rigor. 3340.6726 3040 DCB_int_01 3338.5043 [/Oh./] 3338.7841 3041 DCB_int_01 3341.0456 Right. 3341.3021 3042 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3342.2813 You know? 3342.6450 3043 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3342.6450 (pause 0.81) 3343.4517 3044 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3343.4517 I don't know. 3344.0439 3045 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3344.0439 (pause 1.09) 3345.1292 3046 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3345.1292 [I know] I went t- to those two schools and they- 3347.2694 3047 DCB_int_01 3345.1805 [/Could-/] 3345.3670 3048 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3347.7451 /RD-SCHOOL-4/- And I had the same major. /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was not 3350.4868 3049 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3350.4868 (pause 1.43) 3351.9125 3050 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3351.9125 as hard. 3352.4674 3051 DCB_int_01 3353.2275 What was your major in college? 3354.3093 3052 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3354.4352 Psychology. 3355.2325 3053 DCB_int_01 3355.1719 Psychology. 3355.7967 3054 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3355.7035 Surprise surprise. 3356.7666 3055 DCB_int_01 3357.7960 So how did you end up- 3358.9897 3056 DCB_int_01 3358.9897 (pause 0.41) 3359.3953 3057 DCB_int_01 3359.3953 How did you- 3359.9036 3058 DCB_int_01 3359.9036 (pause 0.27) 3360.1740 3059 DCB_int_01 3360.1740 Because your dad was an attorney, is that why you wanted to be an attorney? 3362.9147 3060 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3363.2737 Mm, no, not really. 3364.4115 3061 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3364.4115 (pause 0.93) 3365.3394 3062 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3365.3394 I think my mother really kind of pushed me. 3367.2885 3063 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3367.2885 (pause 2.42) 3369.7074 3064 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3369.7074 My father was very happy and very proud of me, no mistake. 3372.5611 3065 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3372.5611 (pause 3.09) 3375.6514 3066 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3375.6514 Um, and he did- 3376.8171 3067 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3376.8171 (pause 2.96) 3379.7734 3068 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3379.7734 I really wanted to be a psychologist, 3381.6980 3069 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3381.6980 (pause 0.87) 3382.5700 3070 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3382.5700 and um, 3383.4373 3071 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3383.4373 (pause 0.27) 3383.7078 3072 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3383.7078 he did 3384.4072 3073 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3384.4072 (pause 0.84) 3385.2465 3074 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3385.2465 um, 3385.7268 3075 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3385.7268 (pause 0.14) 3385.8713 3076 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3385.8713 he did tell me that he thought I would make more m- 3388.0291 3077 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3388.0291 (pause 0.29) 3388.3182 3078 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3388.3182 I wanted to get 3389.0410 3079 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3389.0410 (pause 0.85) 3389.8943 3080 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3389.8943 um- I- 3390.3372 3081 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3390.3372 (pause 0.20) 3390.5331 3082 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3390.5331 I wanted to get a- 3391.2045 3083 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3391.2045 (pause 0.37) 3391.5729 3084 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3391.5729 maybe a big 3392.2117 3085 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3392.2117 (pause 0.18) 3392.3924 3086 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3392.3924 um- 3392.7841 3087 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3392.7841 (pause 2.57) 3395.3534 3088 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3395.3534 3395.4839 3089 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3395.4839 (pause 0.08) 3395.5679 3090 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3395.5679 I wanted to get a PhD in Psychology. 3397.2792 3091 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3397.2792 (pause 0.09) 3397.3724 3092 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3397.3724 Maybe a combined PhD 3399.1292 3093 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3399.1292 (pause 0.18) 3399.3064 3094 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3399.3064 JD, 3399.7866 3095 DCB_int_01 3400.2016 Mm-hm. 3400.5327 3096 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3400.5514 which was a program they had at the time. 3402.2940 3097 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3402.2940 (pause 2.07) 3404.3609 3098 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3404.3609 But he told me that he- 3405.5303 3099 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3405.5303 (pause 0.41) 3405.9405 3100 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3405.9405 he told me that um, 3407.3301 3101 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3407.3301 (pause 1.39) 3408.7196 3102 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3408.7196 I mean, 3409.1299 3103 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3409.1299 (pause 0.34) 3409.4703 3104 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3409.4703 you know. 3409.7665 3105 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3409.7665 (pause 0.34) 3410.1080 3106 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3410.1080 He was a man of 3410.9473 3107 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3410.9473 (pause 1.20) 3412.1457 3108 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3412.1457 few words but 3413.2415 3109 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3413.2415 (pause 0.63) 3413.8710 3110 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3413.8710 he told me that 3414.6450 3111 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3414.6450 (pause 0.29) 3414.9341 3112 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3414.9341 he thought I would make more money as a lawyer, 3416.8354 3113 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3416.8354 (pause 0.73) 3417.5675 3114 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3417.5675 that I wouldn't ma- 3418.0244 3115 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3418.0244 (pause 0.20) 3418.2203 3116 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3418.2203 I wouldn't make as much money as a um- 3420.0575 3117 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3420.0575 (pause 1.41) 3421.4657 3118 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3421.4657 as a- 3422.1163 3119 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3422.1163 (pause 2.83) 3424.9430 3120 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3424.9430 as a psychologist. 3426.2440 3121 DCB_int_01 3429.4089 [And so] attorney you were. 3430.5280 3122 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3429.4742 [S-] 3429.6841 3123 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3431.0456 That's right. 3431.5446 3124 DCB_int_01 3432.2906 And you've been doing it for- 3433.4983 3125 DCB_int_01 3433.4983 (pause 0.40) 3433.8947 3126 DCB_int_01 3433.8947 That's been 3434.4868 3127 DCB_int_01 3434.4868 (pause 0.19) 3434.6815 3128 DCB_int_01 3434.6815 pretty much your whole adult careers? 3436.2856 3129 DCB_int_01 3436.2856 (pause 0.67) 3436.9570 3130 DCB_int_01 3436.9570 [In the legal field?] 3437.8383 3131 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3436.9617 [That's been my only] career 3438.3745 3132 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3438.9015 as a d- as an adult. 3440.0961 3133 DCB_int_01 3442.8544 Have you enjoyed it? 3443.6611 3134 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3443.8943 No. 3444.2253 3135 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3444.2253 (pause 0.35) 3444.5751 3136 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3444.5751 I have not enjoyed it. 3445.5589 3137 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3445.5589 (pause 3.63) 3449.1902 3138 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3449.1902 I'm happy for the 3450.3419 3139 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3450.3419 (pause 0.15) 3450.4958 3140 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3450.4958 uh- 3451.0413 3141 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3451.0413 (pause 0.19) 3451.2325 3142 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3451.2325 What do you call it? 3451.7874 3143 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3451.7874 (pause 5.26) 3457.0507 3144 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3457.0507 Some of the skills that I've learn- 3459.0359 3145 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3459.0359 (pause 0.21) 3459.2457 3146 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3459.2457 that I learned in law school, but /oof/. 3461.5212 3147 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3461.5212 (pause 2.36) 3463.8853 3148 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3463.8853 Mm-mm. It's- 3464.4868 3149 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3464.4868 (pause 0.46) 3464.9427 3150 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3464.9427 Mm-mm. 3465.3343 3151 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3465.3343 (pause 1.65) 3466.9850 3152 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3466.9850 I mean- 3467.3907 3153 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3467.3907 (pause 4.27) 3471.6654 3154 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3471.6654 No, I haven't enjoyed it. 3472.8451 3155 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3472.8451 (pause 2.61) 3475.4563 3156 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3475.4563 And 3475.7688 3157 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3475.7688 (pause 1.56) 3477.3297 3158 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3477.3297 you know, I struggled through law school. 3479.1482 3159 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3479.1482 (pause 1.07) 3480.2160 3160 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3480.2160 So 3480.7942 3161 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3480.7942 (pause 1.90) 3482.6909 3162 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3482.6909 you know, 3482.9753 3163 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3482.9753 (pause 1.23) 3484.2016 3164 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3484.2016 common sense should have told me that I wasn't going to enjoy [being a lawyer (laughing).] 3487.5230 3165 DCB_int_01 3486.7522 [] 3488.6687 3166 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3489.9918 I mean, it's just like, 3490.7285 3167 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3490.7285 (pause 0.14) 3490.8684 3168 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3490.8684 killing yourself to get through engineering school, and then expecting you- expecting you to like being an engineer. 3495.4771 3169 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3495.4771 (pause 1.00) 3496.4767 3170 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3496.4767 [You know?] 3497.1016 3171 DCB_int_01 3496.5514 [Doesn't work?] 3497.2415 3172 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3497.4793 No. 3497.9922 3173 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3497.9922 (pause 0.36) 3498.3559 3174 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3498.3559 You know? 3498.7103 3175 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3498.7103 (pause 0.57) 3499.2792 3176 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3499.2792 And I just- 3500.2339 3177 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3500.2339 (pause 1.14) 3501.3763 3178 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3501.3763 You know. 3501.7353 3179 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3501.7353 (pause 1.48) 3503.2135 3180 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3503.2135 I like the idea of the- 3504.7942 3181 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3504.7942 (pause 0.20) 3504.9947 3182 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3504.9947 the- 3505.3071 3183 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3505.3071 (pause 0.26) 3505.5636 3184 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3505.5636 you know, 3505.9366 3185 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3505.9366 (pause 0.48) 3506.4169 3186 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3506.4169 the- 3506.6640 3187 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3506.6640 (pause 0.97) 3507.6374 3188 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3507.6374 the title 3508.3462 3189 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3508.3462 (pause 0.21) 3508.5514 3190 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3508.5514 I guess, and 3509.2928 3191 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3509.2928 (pause 0.99) 3510.2813 3192 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3510.2813 you know, people- 3510.9667 3193 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3510.9667 (pause 0.11) 3511.0740 3194 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3511.0740 Some people are impressed. 3512.4962 3195 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3512.4962 (pause 1.54) 3514.0338 3196 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3514.0338 And I think when I first came out, I was impressed with myself, 3516.4025 3197 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3516.4025 (pause 0.54) 3516.9388 3198 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3516.9388 but it was because I um, 3518.5708 3199 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3518.5708 (pause 1.75) 3520.3182 3200 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3520.3182 3520.4068 3201 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3520.4068 (pause 0.06) 3520.4628 3202 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3520.4628 I worked so hard. 3521.5725 3203 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3521.5725 (pause 0.45) 3522.0248 3204 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3522.0248 And I really didn't think I was gonna make it through. 3523.9226 3205 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3523.9226 (pause 2.96) 3526.8778 3206 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3526.8778 I worked really hard. And- and part of me- 3528.8129 3207 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3528.8129 (pause 0.14) 3528.9574 3208 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3528.9574 I mean I know a big part of me is 3530.6267 3209 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3530.6267 (pause 0.70) 3531.3250 3210 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3531.3250 um- 3531.7307 3211 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3531.7307 (pause 0.70) 3532.4348 3212 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3532.4348 I am- 3533.2135 3213 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3533.2135 (pause 4.12) 3537.3297 3214 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3537.3297 I wanted to prove to myself that I could do it, 3539.1342 3215 DCB_int_01 3539.9642 Mm-hm. 3540.2440 3216 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3540.2626 which is not a really good reason to 3542.0159 3217 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3542.0159 (pause 0.42) 3542.4402 3218 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3542.4402 start a career. But you know, when you're in it 3544.3555 3219 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3544.3555 (pause 0.14) 3544.4907 3220 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3544.4907 and you're young, 3545.3627 3221 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3545.3627 (pause 0.17) 3545.5352 3222 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3545.5352 you know. 3545.8523 3223 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3545.8523 (pause 0.47) 3546.3186 3224 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3546.3186 Cause I didn't want anybody to ever say that I c- I didn't wanna ever say 3549.8799 3225 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3549.8799 (pause 0.21) 3550.0944 3226 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3550.0944 that I couldn't do it, 3550.8917 3227 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3550.8917 (pause 0.14) 3551.0270 3228 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3551.0270 but you know, 3551.5492 3229 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3551.5492 (pause 0.36) 3551.9083 3230 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3551.9083 I sort of wanted to be a social worker, 3553.5729 3231 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3553.5729 (pause 0.55) 3554.1231 3232 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3554.1231 something like that. 3554.9985 3233 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3554.9985 (pause 0.72) 3555.7214 3234 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3555.7214 Or, I mean, I really still love psychology. I read about psychology, 3559.5589 3235 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3559.5589 (pause 0.82) 3560.3784 3236 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3560.3784 you know, that type of thing. 3561.3763 3237 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3561.3763 (pause 1.35) 3562.7239 3238 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3562.7239 You know, that's definitely who I am. 3564.5424 3239 DCB_int_01 3566.0614 Would you ever [go] back and study it? 3567.7587 3240 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3566.3924 [You know.] 3566.7235 3241 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3570.3885 3570.5144 3242 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3570.5144 (pause 0.15) 3570.6636 3243 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3570.6636 Um, no. 3571.7827 3244 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3571.7827 (pause 0.51) 3572.2910 3245 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3572.2910 Not at this point. 3573.1338 3246 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3573.1338 (pause 1.63) 3574.7612 3247 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3574.7612 I mean there are things that uh- that I can do to um- 3577.6895 3248 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3577.6895 (pause 1.12) 3578.8074 3249 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3578.8074 You know, at this point- At a certain point, 3580.5933 3250 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3580.5933 (pause 0.22) 3580.8171 3251 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3580.8171 you know, a job becomes 3582.1740 3252 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3582.1740 (pause 0.13) 3582.3046 3253 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3582.3046 a job. 3583.0087 3254 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3583.0087 (pause 0.43) 3583.4377 3255 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3583.4377 It becomes a way to 3585.3064 3256 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3585.3064 (pause 1.37) 3586.6773 3257 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3586.6773 uh, 3587.1948 3258 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3587.1948 (pause 0.48) 3587.6798 3259 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3587.6798 make money. 3588.4118 3260 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3588.4118 (pause 1.69) 3590.0987 3261 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3590.0987 And um, 3591.1898 3262 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3591.1898 (pause 1.94) 3593.1249 3263 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3593.1249 you know, don't get me wrong. I'm happy. I'm h- I have a good job, 3596.0952 3264 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3596.0952 (pause 0.14) 3596.2350 3265 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3596.2350 and um, 3597.1292 3266 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3597.1292 (pause 1.05) 3598.1783 3267 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3598.1783 it doesn't take up all of my time. 3599.8150 3268 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3599.8150 (pause 2.10) 3601.9133 3269 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3601.9133 You know. 3602.3346 3270 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3602.3346 (pause 1.93) 3604.2669 3271 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3604.2669 So 3604.7985 3272 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3604.7985 (pause 1.16) 3605.9549 3273 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3605.9549 um. 3606.4678 3274 DCB_int_01 3611.9969 I'm'a shift the conversation for a minute. 3613.6790 3275 DCB_int_01 3613.6790 (pause 1.79) 3615.4696 3276 DCB_int_01 3615.4696 Have you been a tourist in your own town? 3617.4886 3277 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3617.8616 [] 3618.5611 3278 DCB_int_01 3618.1507 [You know, people] [travel miles] and miles to come to DC to go to the monuments, go to the White House, all these things, and it's in your backyard. 3624.2953 3279 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3618.9154 [That-] 3619.1766 3280 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3624.3326 I have been so- 3625.4284 3281 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3625.4284 (pause 0.25) 3625.6802 3282 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3625.6802 That really just- 3626.9147 3283 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3626.9147 (pause 0.71) 3627.6234 3284 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3627.6234 The only time that I do that type of stuff- 3629.6518 3285 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3629.6518 (pause 0.22) 3629.8756 3286 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3629.8756 I mean I really wanna do better at that, 3631.6610 3287 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3631.6610 (pause 0.14) 3631.7967 3288 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3631.7967 and 3632.1977 3289 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3632.1977 (pause 1.64) 3633.8333 3290 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3633.8333 um- 3634.2063 3291 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3634.2063 (pause 0.14) 3634.3415 3292 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3634.3415 is when people come to town. 3635.5679 3293 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3635.5679 (pause 1.85) 3637.4144 3294 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3637.4144 Now 3637.7128 3295 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3637.7128 (pause 0.46) 3638.1698 3296 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3638.1698 I- 3638.5288 3297 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3638.5288 (pause 1.27) 3639.8006 3298 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3639.8006 You know, and I have a- 3641.2321 3299 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3641.2321 (pause 1.42) 3642.6497 3300 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3642.6497 And as I've gotten older, I definitely- 3644.8272 3301 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3644.8272 (pause 0.38) 3645.2038 3302 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3645.2038 You know, that's definitely on m- my to do list. 3647.8150 3303 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3647.8150 (pause 0.99) 3648.8035 3304 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3648.8035 Um, and then- 3649.4703 3305 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3649.4703 (pause 0.27) 3649.7361 3306 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3649.7361 You know, there's certain things that I even forgot existed, like the Frederick Douglass house is like, right 3654.7243 3307 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3654.7243 (pause 0.16) 3654.8828 3308 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3654.8828 in 3655.2325 3309 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3655.2325 (pause 1.22) 3656.4542 3310 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3656.4542 Anacostia, up on the hill, 3658.3135 3311 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3658.3135 (pause 0.58) 3658.8917 3312 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3658.8917 and I had totally forgotten about that until somebody 3661.3025 3313 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3661.3025 (pause 1.61) 3662.9100 3314 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3662.9100 mentioned- 3663.8286 3315 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3663.8286 (pause 0.59) 3664.4161 3316 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3664.4161 Did you tell me that? 3665.1948 3317 DCB_int_01 3666.1974 [Mm-mm.] 3666.5191 3318 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3666.3792 [No.] 3667.5123 3319 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3667.6615 There's somebody that I was talking to 3669.4509 3320 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3669.4509 (pause 1.01) 3670.4581 3321 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3670.4581 who said 3671.0130 3322 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3671.0130 (pause 0.15) 3671.1622 3323 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3671.1622 um, 3671.5772 3324 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3671.5772 (pause 1.48) 3673.0600 3325 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3673.0600 Yeah, and I went to the Frederick Douglass hou- I'm like- I was like, the- 3675.4462 3326 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3675.4462 (pause 0.13) 3675.5721 3327 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3675.5721 /dang/ I forgot about the Frederick Douglass house. 3677.5725 3328 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3677.5725 (pause 0.58) 3678.1507 3329 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3678.1507 I wanna go back and look at that. 3679.3584 3330 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3679.3584 (pause 0.79) 3680.1500 3331 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3680.1500 And um, 3681.2084 3332 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3681.2084 (pause 2.16) 3683.3674 3333 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3683.3674 3683.4653 3334 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3683.4653 (pause 1.45) 3684.9154 3335 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3684.9154 the Smithsonians. I mean I do things like, 3687.7820 3336 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3687.7820 (pause 0.51) 3688.2902 3337 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3688.2902 when I'm like, super interested. 3690.0668 3338 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3690.0668 (pause 1.13) 3691.1952 3339 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3691.1952 Like, 3691.4563 3340 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3691.4563 (pause 0.91) 3692.3645 3341 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3692.3645 I wanted to go see the Bill Cosby exhibit, 3694.1830 3342 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3694.1830 (pause 0.79) 3694.9710 3343 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3694.9710 so I did that. 3695.7171 3344 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3695.7171 (pause 0.13) 3695.8430 3345 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3695.8430 You know. 3696.1683 3346 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3696.1683 (pause 0.69) 3696.8595 3347 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3696.8595 I- I have a girlfriend that actually got tickets to go to the White House, 3700.9912 3348 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3700.9912 (pause 0.89) 3701.8849 3349 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3701.8849 and 3702.5284 3350 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3702.5284 (pause 0.96) 3703.4890 3351 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3703.4890 um, 3704.0579 3352 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3704.0579 (pause 1.02) 3705.0732 3353 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3705.0732 she's coming from Florida to go, 3706.6400 3354 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3706.6400 (pause 0.12) 3706.7612 3355 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3706.7612 and she called me and asked me did I wanna go to the White House. I was like, Yeah, I- 3710.1604 3356 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3710.1604 (pause 0.16) 3710.3225 3357 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3710.3225 Have I ever been? I don't think I've ever been 3711.8566 3358 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3711.8566 (pause 0.42) 3712.2809 3359 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3712.2809 to the White House. 3713.0783 3360 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3713.0783 (pause 0.43) 3713.5119 3361 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3713.5119 I might have when I was little girl. 3714.9854 3362 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3714.9854 (pause 0.75) 3715.7315 3363 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3715.7315 You know. 3716.1418 3364 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3716.1418 (pause 1.25) 3717.3903 3365 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3717.3903 But no, I have not been a tourist in my home town. And that- 3720.2113 3366 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3720.2113 (pause 0.08) 3720.2906 3367 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3720.2906 that's definitely something that I need to- 3721.9693 3368 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3721.9693 (pause 0.46) 3722.4251 3369 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3722.4251 You know, I'm getting really up in age, and I really need to um- 3725.1529 3370 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3725.1529 (pause 0.85) 3726.0015 3371 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3726.0015 You know, and I wish I had taken- And I hope you do this with your daughter, 3729.0079 3372 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3729.0079 (pause 1.15) 3730.1550 3373 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3730.1550 like maybe every weekend when she gets to be a certain age, 3732.9108 3374 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3732.9108 (pause 0.45) 3733.3631 3375 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3733.3631 just 3733.5636 3376 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3733.5636 (pause 0.33) 3733.8947 3377 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3733.8947 make it a point to take her once place. 3736.0198 3378 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3736.0198 (pause 1.61) 3737.6285 3379 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3737.6285 You know? 3737.9782 3380 DCB_int_01 3738.2626 [Mm.] 3738.5704 3381 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3738.3233 [And as she] grows up, 3739.3817 3382 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3740.7981 um- 3741.1245 3383 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3741.1245 (pause 0.55) 3741.6701 3384 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3741.6701 You know, she's in school here, so 3743.1389 3385 DCB_int_01 3744.0435 [She's in Georgia.] 3745.0180 3386 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3744.0481 [she's gonna g- she's gonna] go- 3745.2745 3387 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3746.3376 She's /not/ in school in Georgia though. 3747.8566 3388 DCB_int_01 3748.0897 Mm-hm. 3748.3742 3389 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3748.8684 She goes to school in Georgia? 3749.9829 3390 DCB_int_01 3750.0854 Mm-hm. 3750.3745 3391 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3751.1999 Oh I didn't know that. 3752.0206 3392 DCB_int_01 3752.2199 She's here for the summers. 3753.3623 3393 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3753.6234 Oh, 3754.5560 3394 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3754.5560 (pause 0.21) 3754.7658 3395 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3754.7658 well that- You should definitely make a point of that because she's not gonna- 3757.8387 3396 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3757.8387 (pause 0.22) 3758.0579 3397 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3758.0579 you're not gonna- You know, if she was in school here, they would 3760.7045 3398 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3760.7045 (pause 1.84) 3762.5424 3399 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3762.5424 take her on little- 3763.2931 3400 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3763.2931 (pause 0.15) 3763.4470 3401 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3763.4470 take 'em on a little 3764.2910 3402 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3764.2910 (pause 0.78) 3765.0686 3403 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3765.0686 um, 3765.3530 3404 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3765.3530 (pause 0.50) 3765.8519 3405 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3765.8519 field trips and stuff like that. But you should- When she's here for the summer, you should just make it a point 3770.3889 3406 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3770.3889 (pause 1.47) 3771.8566 3407 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3771.8566 of saying, We're just gonna do one thing 3773.9549 3408 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3773.9549 (pause 0.55) 3774.5098 3409 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3774.5098 every weekend. 3775.2978 3410 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3775.2978 (pause 3.21) 3778.5094 3411 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3778.5094 Cause I wish I had done that with my daughter. 3780.0808 3412 DCB_int_01 3782.1360 Yeah. 3782.5043 3413 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3783.1991 You know. 3783.5721 3414 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3783.5721 (pause 0.48) 3784.0524 3415 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3784.0524 Cause there's a lot to see here. 3785.7451 3416 DCB_int_01 3786.8875 It is. 3787.4330 3417 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3787.6755 Tons of stuff to see here, 3789.1805 3418 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3789.1805 (pause 0.11) 3789.2924 3419 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3789.2924 and a lot of it is free. 3790.7565 3420 DCB_int_01 3793.4237 People come from miles and miles and [miles.] 3796.0291 3421 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3795.3623 [They come from] 3796.2949 3422 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3796.5514 miles and mi- And the cherry blossoms, 3799.4330 3423 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3799.4330 (pause 0.63) 3800.0625 3424 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3800.0625 and you know, just- 3801.4929 3425 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3801.4929 (pause 3.01) 3804.5004 3426 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3804.5004 So yeah. 3805.1719 3427 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3805.1719 (pause 1.37) 3806.5463 3428 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3806.5463 No I have not been a- as much of a tourist in my own town- own town 3810.4165 3429 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3810.4165 (pause 1.59) 3812.0019 3430 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3812.0019 as I should be. 3812.8261 3431 DCB_int_01 3814.3648 There are two things that are very unique to DC. 3816.6776 3432 DCB_int_01 3816.6776 (pause 0.97) 3817.6475 3433 DCB_int_01 3817.6475 I'm pretty sure you can guess. 3819.1432 3434 DCB_int_01 3819.1432 (pause 0.46) 3819.6001 3435 DCB_int_01 3819.6001 Go go music 3820.4255 3436 DCB_int_01 3820.4255 (pause 0.12) 3820.5420 3437 DCB_int_01 3820.5420 [and mumbo sauce.] 3821.6594 3438 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3820.5560 [Oh God. Here we go.] 3821.9502 3439 DCB_int_01 3822.2860 3822.7849 3440 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3822.7989 Well they just had something on the radio talking about go go. Can they keep it alive? 3826.6213 3441 DCB_int_01 3828.8269 Do you like go go music? 3829.9553 3442 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3830.1138 It's alr- Yeah I like Chuck Brown. I actually looked at 3832.6819 3443 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3832.6819 (pause 0.12) 3832.7985 3444 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3832.7985 um- 3833.3161 3445 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3833.3161 (pause 0.51) 3833.8243 3446 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3833.8243 I also have to say- You know what? 3835.4051 3447 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3835.4051 (pause 0.30) 3835.7081 3448 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3835.7081 And I'm gonna say this, and my friend got mad at me 3837.5255 3449 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3837.5255 (pause 0.52) 3838.0431 3450 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3838.0431 cause I have another friend, and he wants to come do this interview so bad. 3841.2652 3451 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3841.2652 (pause 0.41) 3841.6802 3452 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3841.6802 And he was calling me. 3842.6687 3453 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3842.6687 (pause 0.62) 3843.2877 3454 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3843.2877 He's like, Well have you gone yet? 3844.5327 3455 DCB_int_01 3844.7239 3845.7824 3456 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3846.3186 I was like, /RD-NAME-2/. 3847.1346 3457 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3847.1346 (pause 1.83) 3848.9613 3458 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3848.9613 And then I was telling him that you were from Georgia, right? 3851.0130 3459 DCB_int_01 3851.1622 Mm-hm. 3851.5492 3460 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3852.0528 He went to Morehouse, so he's like, 3853.3211 3461 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3853.3211 (pause 0.66) 3853.9832 3462 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3853.9832 I bet I know her father. 3855.2411 3463 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3855.2411 (pause 0.13) 3855.3670 3464 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3855.3670 I was like, /RD-NAME-2/. 3856.1270 3465 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3856.1270 (pause 0.65) 3856.7798 3466 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3856.7798 He said, ask her if she knows so and so and so. I [was like, She's not gonna know] these old people. 3860.6407 3467 DCB_int_01 3858.8455 [] 3859.8107 3468 DCB_int_01 3860.8914 [] 3863.6425 3469 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3861.3483 [She- ] 3863.8290 3470 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3864.5471 But um, so he um- 3866.4635 3471 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3866.4635 (pause 0.29) 3866.7561 3472 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3866.7561 We had this debate 3867.7680 3473 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3867.7680 (pause 0.20) 3867.9638 3474 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3867.9638 cause I told him 3868.6353 3475 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3868.6353 (pause 0.13) 3868.7612 3476 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3868.7612 I didn't get into go go when I was younger. 3870.6730 3477 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3870.6730 (pause 1.66) 3872.3376 3478 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3872.3376 I didn't go to those go go places, 3874.0991 3479 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3874.0991 (pause 0.56) 3874.6633 3480 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3874.6633 and he was like- 3875.4886 3481 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3875.4886 (pause 0.57) 3876.0621 3482 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3876.0621 Cause I said- And I was telling him- I said, That was socioeconomic. 3878.9985 3483 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3878.9985 (pause 0.24) 3879.2411 3484 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3879.2411 That was a socioeconomic thing. 3880.8731 3485 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3880.8731 (pause 0.49) 3881.3627 3486 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3881.3627 And he said- Although my daughter is very much into go go, okay? 3883.8527 3487 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3883.8527 (pause 0.64) 3884.4962 3488 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3884.4962 So he said- 3885.1525 3489 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3885.1525 (pause 0.55) 3885.7074 3490 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3885.7074 3885.7820 3491 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3885.7820 (pause 0.08) 3885.8659 3492 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3885.8659 He said, No it's not. No it's not. 3887.4466 3493 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3887.4466 (pause 1.07) 3888.5144 3494 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3888.5144 So we were having that debate or whatever. It- 3890.4029 3495 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3890.4029 (pause 0.44) 3890.8401 3496 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3890.8401 it- Go go miss- 3891.8286 3497 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3891.8286 (pause 0.11) 3891.9359 3498 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3891.9359 I- Somehow go- I missed go go 3893.8559 3499 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3893.8559 (pause 0.15) 3894.0062 3500 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3894.0062 um, 3894.4025 3501 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3894.4025 (pause 0.18) 3894.5797 3502 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3894.5797 coming up. 3895.1439 3503 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3895.1439 (pause 0.23) 3895.3771 3504 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3895.3771 But 3895.5729 3505 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3895.5729 (pause 0.21) 3895.7781 3506 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3895.7781 um, 3896.0718 3507 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3896.0718 (pause 1.86) 3897.9359 3508 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3897.9359 3898.0804 3509 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3898.0804 (pause 1.31) 3899.3860 3510 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3899.3860 I like it. 3899.9969 3511 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3899.9969 (pause 0.22) 3900.2160 3512 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3900.2160 And I s- 3900.9901 3513 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3900.9901 (pause 0.14) 3901.1299 3514 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3901.1299 And I mean I like some of it. 3902.5568 3515 DCB_int_01 3902.8774 Mm. 3903.0779 3516 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3903.2131 And then, I um- 3904.8218 3517 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3904.8218 (pause 0.63) 3905.4560 3518 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3905.4560 But I didn't- 3906.1694 3519 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3906.1694 (pause 1.16) 3907.3304 3520 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3907.3304 I wasn't involved when I was younger. I never went to a go go 3910.2623 3521 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3910.2623 (pause 0.41) 3910.6773 3522 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3910.6773 um, whatever they call it. 3911.6145 3523 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3911.6145 (pause 0.76) 3912.3792 3524 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3912.3792 They ha- They have a name for it. 3913.5449 3525 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3913.5449 (pause 1.29) 3914.8354 3526 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3914.8354 Maybe it's go [go. ] 3918.3419 3527 DCB_int_01 3915.4836 [I think it's the go go. ] 3917.8841 3528 DCB_int_01 3918.3932 You go to the go go and then you 3919.9180 3529 DCB_int_01 3919.9180 (pause 0.14) 3920.0579 3530 DCB_int_01 3920.0579 hear go go music. 3920.9660 3531 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3921.0079 Right. 3921.4462 3532 DCB_int_01 3921.6468 Mm-hm. 3921.9219 3533 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3922.3602 I never- 3922.7985 3534 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3922.7985 (pause 0.16) 3922.9617 3535 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3922.9617 I never went to any- any go go parties. I never dance, 3926.3050 3536 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3926.3050 (pause 1.13) 3927.4369 3537 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3927.4369 you know, into- went into any house parties where they did go go. 3930.5331 3538 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3930.5331 (pause 0.87) 3931.4051 3539 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3931.4051 Um, 3931.9832 3540 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3931.9832 (pause 3.12) 3935.1016 3541 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3935.1016 and uh, 3935.8523 3542 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3935.8523 (pause 2.38) 3938.2304 3543 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3938.2304 you know, I basically was f- 3939.6094 3544 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3939.6094 (pause 0.57) 3940.1830 3545 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3940.1830 first really turned on to go go by 3942.5144 3546 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3942.5144 (pause 0.35) 3942.8642 3547 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3942.8642 Spike Lee's movie. 3943.9879 3548 DCB_int_01 3945.8752 /Do [the Right Thing]/ 3946.8575 3549 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3946.0431 [You] know and that was when I was in college or a little bit after college /during the ?/- And that's- 3949.7688 3550 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3949.9879 that took it- 3950.5277 3551 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3950.5277 (pause 0.70) 3951.2318 3552 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3951.2318 He- You know, he kind of took it on the national level 3953.3907 3553 DCB_int_01 3953.6984 Mm-hm. 3954.1134 3554 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3954.0528 with that. 3954.4631 3555 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3955.1952 He hooked up with Chuck Brown 3956.4962 3556 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3956.4962 (pause 0.92) 3957.4183 3557 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3957.4183 or he came to- He used to hang out in DC, 3959.5772 3558 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3959.5772 (pause 0.75) 3960.3279 3559 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3960.3279 and he would come down to DC from New York. And then he heard go go, and then, you know, when it became famous, 3965.7124 3560 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3965.7124 (pause 0.77) 3966.4865 3561 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3966.4865 then he was like, I'm gonna- You know, I'm'a- 3967.9459 3562 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3967.9459 (pause 0.19) 3968.1325 3563 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3968.1325 I'm'a put- 3968.6127 3564 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3968.6127 (pause 0.21) 3968.8261 3565 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3968.8261 go go on the map. 3969.7260 3566 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3969.7260 (pause 0.77) 3970.4954 3567 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3970.4954 You know? 3970.8638 3568 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3970.8638 (pause 0.57) 3971.4326 3569 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3971.4326 So 3972.0388 3570 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3972.0388 (pause 0.32) 3972.3606 3571 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3972.3606 but 3972.6870 3572 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3972.6870 (pause 0.29) 3972.9807 3573 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3972.9807 um, 3973.4517 3574 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3973.4517 (pause 1.60) 3975.0499 3575 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3975.0499 Chuck Brown was a genius. And I actually saw something. They do- They have this thing called Unsung. 3979.1346 3576 DCB_int_01 3979.6708 Mm-hm. 3980.0625 3577 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3980.0707 Unsung? They did something on him, and I saw that a few weeks ago. 3983.1902 3578 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3983.1902 (pause 1.39) 3984.5797 3579 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3984.5797 And um, 3985.3398 3580 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3985.3398 (pause 1.60) 3986.9427 3581 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3986.9427 you know, 3987.3297 3582 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3987.3297 (pause 0.36) 3987.6934 3583 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3987.6934 and mumbo sauce. 3988.7425 3584 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3988.7425 (pause 3.39) 3992.1313 3585 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3992.1313 That's so stereotypical (laughing). 3993.4416 3586 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3993.4416 (pause 0.31) 3993.7540 3587 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3993.7540 I don't even know what mumbo sauce is. 3995.6611 3588 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3995.6611 (pause 3.19) 3998.8541 3589 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3998.8541 I don't- 3999.1618 3590 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3999.1618 (pause 0.11) 3999.2737 3591 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3999.2737 I don't- 3999.6001 3592 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3999.6001 (pause 0.12) 3999.7214 3593 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 3999.7214 I don't know if I've ever tasted mumbo sauce. I probably have. 4002.3233 3594 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4002.3233 (pause 1.92) 4004.2386 3595 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4004.2386 I probably have tasted it, but. 4005.5768 3596 DCB_int_01 4007.6611 Do you frequent the carry outs? 4009.2652 3597 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4011.5209 Mm, not anymore. 4012.7425 3598 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4012.7425 (pause 0.37) 4013.1109 3599 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4013.1109 No. 4013.4233 3600 DCB_int_01 4016.7328 Now how do you define a carry out? 4018.3602 3601 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4020.1181 Those things- 4020.5984 3602 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4020.5984 (pause 0.14) 4020.7429 3603 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4020.7429 that's just like the difference between 4022.3796 3604 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4022.3796 (pause 1.09) 4023.4742 3605 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4023.4742 uh, 4024.0571 3606 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4024.0571 (pause 1.46) 4025.5166 3607 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4025.5166 a wine and beer store and a liquor store. 4027.5030 3608 DCB_int_01 4028.1080 [] 4030.1970 3609 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4028.6536 [] 4029.1665 3610 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4031.6658 I mean I used to go to the carry outs. Yeah. 4033.9914 3611 DCB_int_01 4033.9914 Mm. 4034.1313 3612 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4035.4416 I mean, 4035.8612 3613 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4035.8612 (pause 2.46) 4038.3233 3614 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4038.3233 and I know I have had mumbo sauce. I h- I can r- 4040.7526 3615 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4040.7526 (pause 0.28) 4041.0359 3616 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4041.0359 think in my head 4041.8985 3617 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4041.8985 (pause 0.19) 4042.0851 3618 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4042.0851 the times when I would go cause I had a girlfriend that liked mumbo sauce. 4044.9714 3619 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4044.9714 (pause 0.80) 4045.7734 3620 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4045.7734 But I'm- I'm /not/ like a real 4047.0872 3621 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4047.0872 (pause 0.08) 4047.1711 3622 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4047.1711 big 4047.4509 3623 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4047.4509 (pause 0.24) 4047.6934 3624 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4047.6934 food person 4048.7239 3625 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4048.7239 (pause 0.08) 4048.8078 3626 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4048.8078 in terms of like, experimenting with foods. 4050.9434 3627 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4050.9434 (pause 0.10) 4051.0460 3628 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4051.0460 /Blah de blah de blah/, that thing- that thing. 4052.7200 3629 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4052.7200 (pause 0.73) 4053.4462 3630 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4053.4462 But 4053.6841 3631 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4053.6841 (pause 0.14) 4053.8193 3632 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4053.8193 um, yeah carry out is the place where you can go and um- 4057.1113 3633 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4057.1113 (pause 0.45) 4057.5636 3634 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4057.5636 They don't have carry outs /everywhere/- 4058.6267 3635 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4058.6267 (pause 0.10) 4058.7235 3636 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4058.7235 /at o-/ 4059.0312 3637 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4059.0312 (pause 0.15) 4059.1805 3638 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4059.1805 other places? 4059.8985 3639 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4059.8985 (pause 0.26) 4060.1597 3640 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4060.1597 /It's so funny/ (whispering). 4061.4979 3641 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4061.4979 (pause 1.96) 4063.4610 3642 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4063.4610 That's hilarious, a carry out. 4065.5721 3643 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4065.5721 (pause 1.16) 4066.7285 3644 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4066.7285 Um, 4067.2042 3645 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4067.2042 (pause 0.12) 4067.3254 3646 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4067.3254 it's the pl- it- it's usually you can't really go in there and sit. 4069.9459 3647 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4069.9459 (pause 0.35) 4070.2910 3648 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4070.2910 [] 4072.5420 3649 DCB_int_01 4070.9893 [Mm-hm.] 4071.5582 3650 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4073.2508 You walk in and 4074.4631 3651 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4074.4631 (pause 0.11) 4074.5704 3652 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4074.5704 a lot of times they're- 4075.6755 3653 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4075.6755 (pause 0.89) 4076.5696 3654 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4076.5696 well they used to black people 4077.9965 3655 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4077.9965 (pause 0.86) 4078.8591 3656 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4078.8591 owned them, but now they're Asians. 4080.4678 3657 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4080.4678 (pause 0.88) 4081.3444 3658 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4081.3444 You go in there and 4082.7013 3659 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4082.7013 (pause 0.14) 4082.8401 3660 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4082.8401 um, 4083.4416 3661 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4083.4416 (pause 2.09) 4085.5306 3662 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4085.5306 make- put your order, 4086.7010 3663 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4086.7010 (pause 0.54) 4087.2372 3664 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4087.2372 and they 4087.5916 3665 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4087.5916 (pause 0.17) 4087.7594 3666 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4087.7594 put your order in a bag. They go to- to the back. 4089.9452 3667 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4089.9452 (pause 0.13) 4090.0757 3668 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4090.0757 They make the food. 4090.9151 3669 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4090.9151 (pause 0.74) 4091.6565 3670 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4091.6565 Usually they have chicken, 4093.0413 3671 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4093.0413 (pause 0.57) 4093.6102 3672 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4093.6102 wings, as they call 'em. 4095.0266 3673 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4095.0266 (pause 1.30) 4096.3229 3674 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4096.3229 And they- and 4097.1482 3675 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4097.1482 (pause 0.25) 4097.4000 3676 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4097.4000 yes, people want mumbo sauce with it. 4099.3677 3677 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4099.3677 (pause 1.03) 4100.3982 3678 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4100.3982 And um, 4101.3263 3679 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4101.3263 (pause 1.44) 4102.7705 3680 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4102.7705 you know, 4103.1995 3681 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4103.1995 (pause 0.47) 4103.6705 3682 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4103.6705 they 4104.0108 3683 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4104.0108 (pause 0.58) 4104.5890 3684 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4104.5890 I guess sometimes they have burgers and fries and- 4107.0079 3685 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4107.0079 (pause 0.53) 4107.5395 3686 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4107.5395 But it's usually in my head- in the back of my head, it's usually chicken wings. 4111.0553 3687 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4111.0553 (pause 1.03) 4112.0812 3688 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4112.0812 And then you- 4113.0546 3689 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4113.0546 (pause 0.64) 4113.6934 3690 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4113.6934 they put it in a- 4114.5514 3691 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4114.5514 (pause 0.53) 4115.0829 3692 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4115.0829 they cook it. 4115.6378 3693 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4115.6378 (pause 0.66) 4116.2953 3694 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4116.2953 They put it in a bag, 4117.3724 3695 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4117.3724 (pause 0.97) 4118.3458 3696 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4118.3458 wrap it up, 4118.9520 3697 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4118.9520 (pause 0.78) 4119.7307 3698 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4119.7307 put it in a bag, and you walk out. 4121.3394 3699 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4121.3394 (pause 0.24) 4121.5772 3700 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4121.5772 You pay 'em and you walk out. 4122.6357 3701 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4122.6357 (pause 0.14) 4122.7802 3702 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4122.7802 And you have- 4123.2512 3703 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4123.2512 (pause 0.17) 4123.4190 3704 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4123.4190 you buy a soda. 4124.5288 3705 DCB_int_01 4124.9427 [] 4127.7777 3706 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4125.7307 [ And you walk out.] 4127.7917 3707 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4127.9316 You can't sit down 4129.0693 3708 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4129.0693 (pause 0.85) 4129.9180 3709 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4129.9180 cause it's a carry out. 4130.8785 3710 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4130.8785 (pause 0.22) 4131.1012 3711 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4131.1012 You carry it out. 4131.9359 3712 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4131.9359 (pause 0.79) 4132.7239 3713 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4132.7239 That's why they call it a carry out. 4133.9969 3714 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4133.9969 (pause 1.89) 4135.8888 3715 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4135.8888 Cause you carry it [out] (laughing). 4137.1152 3716 DCB_int_01 4136.7468 [That was a] very good description. 4138.4975 3717 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4138.3369 4139.0643 3718 DCB_int_01 4138.8638 [And we] don't have like- 4140.4072 3719 DCB_int_01 4143.9825 What I think of carry out for me- 4145.9409 3720 DCB_int_01 4145.9409 (pause 0.12) 4146.0621 3721 DCB_int_01 4146.0621 what I originally thought it was just a Chinese 4147.8387 3722 DCB_int_01 4147.8387 (pause 0.09) 4147.9320 3723 DCB_int_01 4147.9320 restaurant. 4148.4076 3724 DCB_int_01 4148.4076 (pause 0.15) 4148.5614 3725 DCB_int_01 4148.5614 Like, 4148.8179 3726 DCB_int_01 4148.8179 (pause 0.17) 4148.9893 3727 DCB_int_01 4148.9893 that you just go pick up the food. 4150.3275 3728 DCB_int_01 4150.3275 (pause 0.80) 4151.1249 3729 DCB_int_01 4151.1249 But we don't have these 4152.0621 3730 DCB_int_01 4152.0621 (pause 0.13) 4152.1880 3731 DCB_int_01 4152.1880 all like 4152.9807 3732 DCB_int_01 4152.9807 (pause 0.49) 4153.4703 3733 DCB_int_01 4153.4703 pan 4154.2770 3734 DCB_int_01 4154.2770 (pause 0.76) 4155.0406 3735 DCB_int_01 4155.0406 nationality of food. Like you can't go get Asian 4158.6590 3736 DCB_int_01 4158.6590 (pause 0.79) 4159.4470 3737 DCB_int_01 4159.4470 American seaf- You- We don't have those types of places. Like, it's 4163.1296 3738 DCB_int_01 4163.1296 (pause 0.22) 4163.3487 3739 DCB_int_01 4163.3487 kind of your one stop 4164.2953 3740 DCB_int_01 4164.2953 (pause 0.14) 4164.4398 3741 DCB_int_01 4164.4398 Walmart shop 4165.3025 3742 DCB_int_01 4165.3025 (pause 0.14) 4165.4424 3743 DCB_int_01 4165.4424 for food? We don't have that. 4166.6127 3744 DCB_int_01 4166.6127 (pause 0.46) 4167.0732 3745 DCB_int_01 4167.0732 [So-] 4167.3810 3746 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4167.0779 [Where you're] from. 4167.7493 3747 DCB_int_01 4167.8053 Mm-hm. 4168.2016 3748 DCB_int_01 4168.2016 (pause 0.09) 4168.2949 3749 DCB_int_01 4168.2949 So- 4168.4814 3750 DCB_int_01 4168.4814 (pause 0.17) 4168.6539 3751 DCB_int_01 4168.6539 So I didn't understand that concept. 4170.7149 3752 DCB_int_01 4170.7149 (pause 0.37) 4171.0880 3753 DCB_int_01 4171.0880 So when I see I can get a steak and cheese and spare rib tips and shrimp at a c- 4176.1554 3754 DCB_int_01 4176.1554 (pause 0.39) 4176.5471 3755 DCB_int_01 4176.5471 It 4176.8082 3756 DCB_int_01 4176.8082 (pause 0.25) 4177.0600 3757 DCB_int_01 4177.0600 messed me up a little bit. [Like, what?] 4178.7340 3758 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4178.1698 [Yeah.] 4178.6920 3759 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4179.0592 It's confusing. [And then you-] 4180.2110 3760 DCB_int_01 4179.8612 [/And then you-/] 4180.2156 3761 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4180.3415 You got to know where you're going though. 4181.5492 3762 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4181.5492 (pause 0.90) 4182.4492 3763 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4182.4492 And some of 'em are very- 4183.7035 3764 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4183.7035 (pause 0.28) 4183.9879 3765 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4183.9879 are- have good reputations 4185.5302 3766 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4185.5302 (pause 0.83) 4186.3648 3767 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4186.3648 I think. And some of 'em, 4187.6751 3768 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4187.6751 (pause 1.60) 4189.2792 3769 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4189.2792 you know, 4189.6662 3770 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4189.6662 (pause 1.85) 4191.5162 3771 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4191.5162 they don't. 4192.0058 3772 DCB_int_01 4192.5094 4193.1062 3773 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4193.1016 But I don't go. I don't- 4194.1927 3774 DCB_se3_ag4_f_02 4194.4538 Yeah, I haven't been to a carry out in a long time. 4196.4997 3775 DCB_int_01 4197.0732 Mm. 4197.5162