Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DCB_int_01 0.4784 So tell me a little bit about 3.0877 2 DCB_int_01 3.0877 (pause 0.38) 3.4629 3 DCB_int_01 3.4629 your neighborhood growing up. 4.6734 4 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 5.4662 5.6361 5 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 5.6361 (pause 0.89) 6.5280 6 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 6.5280 Um, 7.3350 7 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 7.3350 (pause 1.04) 8.3727 8 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 8.3727 this sounds like the old interview. 9.6469 9 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 9.6469 (pause 0.54) 10.1849 10 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 10.1849 So 11.3954 11 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 11.3954 (pause 0.56) 11.9546 12 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 11.9546 and- 12.2378 13 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 12.2378 (pause 0.28) 12.5210 14 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 12.5210 From the old interview you'd probably learn more about my neighborhood cause 15.4912 15 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 15.4912 (pause 0.44) 15.9301 16 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 15.9301 it was fresher in my [mind then.] 17.3459 17 DCB_int_01 17.0415 [] 17.5582 18 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 17.9334 Um, 18.5705 19 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 18.5705 (pause 0.42) 18.9923 20 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 18.9923 I lived- 19.8347 21 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 19.8347 (pause 0.67) 20.5001 22 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 20.5001 We m- we moved- my family moved to Second and T Street 23.1830 23 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 23.1830 (pause 0.62) 23.7989 24 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 23.7989 Northeast, uh, right across the street from McKinley Tech, 26.3444 25 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 26.3444 (pause 0.44) 26.7833 26 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 26.7833 when I was very young, probably about four- 29.4237 27 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 29.4237 (pause 0.59) 30.0184 28 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 30.0184 four years old. 30.7475 29 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 30.7475 (pause 0.82) 31.5657 30 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 31.5657 And, um, 32.8541 31 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 32.8541 (pause 0.25) 33.1018 32 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 33.1018 it was 34.1707 33 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 34.1707 (pause 0.50) 34.6663 34 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 34.6663 a neighborhood of 36.0750 35 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 36.0750 (pause 0.18) 36.2520 36 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 36.2520 working class people. Everybody in the n- pretty much everybody in the neighborhood worked. 39.7885 37 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 39.7885 (pause 0.54) 40.3265 38 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 40.3265 Um, 41.0485 39 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 41.0485 (pause 0.35) 41.4025 40 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 41.4025 single family row houses 43.1368 41 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 43.1368 (pause 0.68) 43.8205 42 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 43.8205 and it was a very 46.0646 43 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 46.0646 (pause 0.91) 46.9707 44 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 46.9707 very warm, 48.1316 45 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 48.1316 (pause 0.19) 48.3227 46 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 48.3227 very collective, very interactive neighborhood. 50.9815 47 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 50.9815 (pause 0.24) 51.2219 48 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 51.2219 Everyone knew everyone. Everyone knew 53.6432 49 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 53.6432 (pause 0.64) 54.2803 50 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 54.2803 everyone else's 55.0631 51 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 55.0631 (pause 0.17) 55.2330 52 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 55.2330 children. 55.7710 53 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 55.7710 (pause 0.46) 56.2311 54 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 56.2311 All the children played together. We generally played in the alley, that was our playground. 60.7404 55 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 60.7404 (pause 0.58) 61.3250 56 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 61.3250 Um, 61.9692 57 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 61.9692 (pause 0.45) 62.4223 58 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 62.4223 and on any given day, the kids would be playing in the alley. 65.1122 59 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 65.1122 (pause 0.38) 65.4945 60 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 65.4945 Um, the fathers would be out 67.3209 61 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 67.3209 (pause 0.44) 67.7639 62 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 67.7639 in the back, in the garages working on their cars, 70.3477 63 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 70.3477 (pause 0.44) 70.7866 64 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 70.7866 and, um, 72.0184 65 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 72.0184 (pause 0.48) 72.4968 66 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 72.4968 in the evenings, 73.5035 67 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 73.5035 (pause 0.32) 73.8276 68 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 73.8276 people would be sitting- In the warm weather, people would be sitting on their front porches. 77.0698 69 DCB_int_01 78.8324 And, 79.5657 70 DCB_int_01 79.5657 (pause 0.76) 80.3302 71 DCB_int_01 80.3302 um, so that was the Second and T, and then 82.2061 72 DCB_int_01 82.2061 (pause 0.16) 82.3690 73 DCB_int_01 82.3690 how long did you stay there before you moved over to t- Tacoma [Park?] 85.7214 74 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 85.4524 [] 85.6153 75 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 86.0541 We moved 86.8861 76 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 86.8861 (pause 0.79) 87.6752 77 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 87.6752 to 88.6734 78 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 88.6734 (pause 0.50) 89.1760 79 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 89.1760 the Tacoma Park section of DC 91.5586 80 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 91.5586 (pause 1.64) 93.1939 81 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 93.1939 94.1070 82 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 94.1070 (pause 2.39) 96.4926 83 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 96.4926 when I was 98.8116 84 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 98.8116 (pause 2.27) 101.0839 85 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 101.0839 I think in the eighth grade, so 103.3675 86 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 103.3675 (pause 0.84) 104.2099 87 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 104.2099 that would have been 105.5690 88 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 105.5690 (pause 2.78) 108.3511 89 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 108.3511 sixty six. Nineteen sixty six, 110.5780 90 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 110.5780 (pause 1.16) 111.7389 91 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 111.7389 um, 112.2274 92 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 112.2274 (pause 0.30) 112.5318 93 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 112.5318 we moved to 113.3529 94 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 113.3529 (pause 0.14) 113.4945 95 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 113.4945 that neighborhood. 114.1599 96 DCB_int_01 115.0348 Was there any reason that you guys moved? 116.6559 97 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 117.2009 My parents wanted, um, 119.0556 98 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 119.0556 (pause 1.16) 120.2166 99 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 120.2166 a, uh, 120.9811 100 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 120.9811 (pause 0.27) 121.2542 101 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 121.2542 house with a little bit more space. 122.6559 102 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 122.6559 (pause 0.50) 123.1514 103 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 123.1514 They wanted a house with fewer steps. 125.5441 104 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 125.5441 (pause 0.80) 126.3440 105 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 126.3440 And, um, there was an opportunity, this house came on the market. I don't remember how the found it. 131.2751 106 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 131.2751 (pause 0.50) 131.7777 107 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 131.7777 Um, 132.4431 108 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 132.4431 (pause 0.64) 133.0843 109 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 133.0843 and, um, 134.2240 110 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 134.2240 (pause 0.51) 134.7337 111 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 134.7337 it was a- it was a split level house 136.8574 112 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 136.8574 (pause 0.40) 137.2609 113 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 137.2609 and fairly new at the time. It had not- it wasn't very old. 140.2878 114 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 140.2878 (pause 0.60) 140.8895 115 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 140.8895 And, um, 142.0646 116 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 142.0646 (pause 0.35) 142.4185 117 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 142.4185 they got the opportunity to buy it and they- then they did. 144.7616 118 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 144.7616 (pause 0.65) 145.4100 119 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 145.4100 So we moved, um, 146.6417 120 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 146.6417 (pause 0.76) 147.4062 121 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 147.4062 we moved- 147.9301 122 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 147.9301 (pause 0.59) 148.5247 123 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 148.5247 before the school year was out. 149.8555 124 DCB_int_01 150.8112 Was that neighborhood just as warm and inviting as the- 153.7460 125 DCB_int_01 153.7460 (pause 0.57) 154.3123 126 DCB_int_01 154.3123 the Second and T Street? 155.4025 127 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 155.8201 It- it- it was actually in- in its own way. It's a little bit different because the houses were not as close together, 161.2538 128 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 161.2538 (pause 0.58) 161.8343 129 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 161.8343 so all the houses 163.0165 130 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 163.0165 (pause 0.43) 163.4454 131 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 163.4454 in the- in 164.1320 132 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 164.1320 (pause 0.37) 164.5001 133 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 164.5001 the immediate area were detached homes, which was different. 167.3388 134 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 167.3388 (pause 0.76) 168.1033 135 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 168.1033 Come in. 168.4643 136 DCB_int_01 173.7564 And so you said, all the houses, they were detached, [so-] 176.3444 137 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 175.9834 [They were-] the houses were detached, so 178.1495 138 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 178.4751 you weren't qu- 178.9636 139 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 178.9636 (pause 0.17) 179.1335 140 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 179.1335 quite as close to your neighbors, 180.4148 141 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 180.4148 (pause 0.26) 180.6767 142 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 180.6767 but we still all knew the neighbors. Um, 183.1372 143 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 183.1372 (pause 0.59) 183.7319 144 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 183.7319 the- I was older now so we didn't play in the alley like we used to when I was- when I was young, 188.1745 145 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 188.1745 (pause 0.47) 188.6417 146 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 188.6417 and, um, 189.6328 147 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 189.6328 (pause 0.32) 189.9513 148 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 189.9513 but I knew all the- the kids around me 191.9476 149 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 191.9476 (pause 0.36) 192.3086 150 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 192.3086 and 193.1480 151 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 193.1480 (pause 0.18) 193.3321 152 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 193.3321 knew their families. They- they- they knew us. 195.8380 153 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 195.8380 (pause 0.41) 196.2486 154 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 196.2486 Um, 196.5955 155 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 196.5955 (pause 0.16) 196.7583 156 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 196.7583 we did not go 198.1599 157 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 198.1599 (pause 0.59) 198.7475 158 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 198.7475 from house to house so one of the things that was special and unique about 202.2699 159 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 202.2699 (pause 0.53) 202.8008 160 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 202.8008 the, um, T Street neighborhood and- and being there and being there 206.2170 161 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 206.2170 (pause 0.50) 206.7125 162 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 206.7125 at a very young age was as kids, 208.5035 163 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 208.5035 (pause 0.34) 208.8432 164 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 208.8432 we would 209.2326 165 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 209.2326 (pause 0.28) 209.5087 166 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 209.5087 go from one person's house to the other person's house all the time to play 213.3708 167 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 213.3708 (pause 0.41) 213.7814 168 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 213.7814 or 214.2911 169 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 214.2911 (pause 0.29) 214.5813 170 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 214.5813 if my parents had to be away, one of the other neighbors would babysit and 217.9692 171 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 217.9692 (pause 0.30) 218.2665 172 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 218.2665 they'd just have us come over and stay there until 220.6450 173 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 220.6450 (pause 0.32) 220.9636 174 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 220.9636 our parents came back and 222.4289 175 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 222.4289 (pause 0.43) 222.8578 176 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 222.8578 we'd spend the night and- 223.9338 177 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 223.9338 (pause 0.16) 224.0895 178 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 224.0895 at each other's houses and that sort of thing. And so, 226.4256 179 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 226.4256 (pause 0.40) 226.8291 180 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 226.8291 um, 227.2680 181 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 227.2680 (pause 1.10) 228.3723 182 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 228.3723 when I got up t- 229.1227 183 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 229.1227 (pause 0.31) 229.4312 184 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 229.4312 to the Tacoma Park section of DC, 231.3708 185 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 231.3708 (pause 0.69) 232.0575 186 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 232.0575 I was older and we didn't do that kind of thing but the neighbors were still close and everybody was friendly and 236.8257 187 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 236.8257 (pause 0.45) 237.2717 188 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 237.2717 we helped out everybody, so in the winter time, 239.8455 189 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 239.8455 (pause 0.38) 240.2278 190 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 240.2278 everybody got out and 241.2684 191 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 241.2684 (pause 0.50) 241.7710 192 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 241.7710 all the fathers and sons were out cleaning off the snow and 244.1707 193 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 244.1707 (pause 0.32) 244.4863 194 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 244.4863 shoveling walks and 245.5623 195 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 245.5623 (pause 0.47) 246.0296 196 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 246.0296 moving cars and that sort of thing. 247.5657 197 DCB_int_01 248.5638 Are you an only child? 249.4274 198 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 249.5619 No I have a sister. Or I had a sister. 251.2537 199 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 251.2537 (pause 0.46) 251.7110 200 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 251.7110 I had a sister. She passed last year. 253.0389 201 DCB_int_01 253.5728 Okay. 253.8984 202 DCB_int_01 253.8984 (pause 0.26) 254.1603 203 DCB_int_01 254.1603 Younger or older? 254.9324 204 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 254.9178 A year younger. 255.6506 205 DCB_int_01 256.0929 Okay. 256.4397 206 DCB_int_01 256.4397 (pause 0.37) 256.8120 207 DCB_int_01 256.8120 So did you do a lot of stuff with your younger sister [or?] 259.7747 208 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 259.5090 [No, actually. Growing] up we sort of led, 262.4964 209 DCB_int_01 259.9904 [Because she was a girl.] 260.9107 210 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 262.9748 um, 263.4632 211 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 263.4632 (pause 0.31) 263.7747 212 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 263.7747 very separate 264.6879 213 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 264.6879 (pause 0.40) 265.0914 214 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 265.0914 lives in terms of our activities. 267.0098 215 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 267.0098 (pause 0.38) 267.3926 216 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 267.3926 Um, she 268.5105 217 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 268.5105 (pause 0.28) 268.7907 218 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 268.7907 went to 269.6685 219 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 269.6685 (pause 0.69) 270.3623 220 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 270.3623 a public high school. I went to 272.7125 221 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 272.7125 (pause 0.64) 273.3567 222 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 273.3567 the private high school and, so, 275.0573 223 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 275.0573 (pause 0.41) 275.4703 224 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 275.4703 we had different schedules and 276.9854 225 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 276.9854 (pause 0.43) 277.4170 226 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 277.4170 our schools were 278.4435 227 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 278.4435 (pause 0.28) 278.7266 228 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 278.7266 far apart. 279.4062 229 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 279.4062 (pause 0.42) 279.8239 230 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 279.8239 And we just had different interest and participated in a lot of different activities. So I was into sports, she was not into sports. 285.7460 231 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 285.7460 (pause 0.51) 286.2557 232 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 286.2557 And, so, I was gone a lot 287.3924 233 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 287.3924 (pause 0.47) 287.8597 234 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 287.8597 because of that. 288.5746 235 DCB_int_01 289.5515 Why did y'all go to different schools? 290.7459 236 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 290.8774 290.9566 237 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 290.9566 (pause 0.63) 291.5832 238 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 291.5832 I had the 292.4397 239 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 292.4397 (pause 0.30) 292.7412 240 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 292.7412 opportunity to 294.1924 241 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 294.1924 (pause 0.44) 294.6313 242 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 294.6313 go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/- I was recruited, 295.9125 243 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 295.9125 (pause 0.45) 296.3585 244 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 296.3585 if you will, 296.8682 245 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 296.8682 (pause 0.43) 297.3000 246 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 297.3000 to go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. Um, 298.5459 247 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 298.5459 (pause 0.43) 298.9748 248 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 298.9748 we were at- 299.3712 249 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 299.3712 (pause 0.15) 299.5199 250 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 299.5199 we had gone to the same schools up until 302.1745 251 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 302.1745 (pause 0.28) 302.4576 252 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 302.4576 that time. 303.1089 253 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 303.1089 (pause 0.52) 303.6257 254 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 303.6257 In the ninth grade, 304.9282 255 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 304.9282 (pause 0.40) 305.3287 256 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 305.3287 uh, it was a time when the private schools 308.0541 257 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 308.0541 (pause 0.40) 308.4505 258 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 308.4505 were, um, 309.5549 259 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 309.5549 (pause 0.23) 309.7814 260 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 309.7814 looking to diversify. 310.8503 261 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 310.8503 (pause 0.73) 311.5765 262 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 311.5765 And, so, 312.7020 263 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 312.7020 (pause 0.37) 313.0702 264 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 313.0702 they were, um, 314.9602 265 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 314.9602 (pause 0.28) 315.2363 266 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 315.2363 essentially recruiting, for lack of a better term, 317.6594 267 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 317.6594 (pause 0.50) 318.1570 268 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 318.1570 uh, students from 319.3038 269 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 319.3038 (pause 0.33) 319.6294 270 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 319.6294 some of the public schools. 320.8399 271 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 320.8399 (pause 0.33) 321.1655 272 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 321.1655 I was recommended by, um, 323.7181 273 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 323.7181 (pause 0.79) 324.5109 274 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 324.5109 the counselor and principal from 326.5780 275 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 326.5780 (pause 0.18) 326.7620 276 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 326.7620 Gordon Junior High School, what was then Gordon [Junior High School,] 329.5765 277 DCB_int_01 328.9849 [Mm-hm.] 329.3214 278 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 330.0933 to take the test for /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 332.4859 279 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 332.4859 (pause 0.59) 333.0735 280 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 333.0735 And I did. 334.5176 281 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 334.5176 (pause 0.22) 334.7412 282 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 334.7412 Initially I wasn't accepted, 336.0366 283 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 336.0366 (pause 0.52) 336.5534 284 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 336.5534 and, um, 337.7073 285 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 337.7073 (pause 0.23) 337.9338 286 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 337.9338 but they asked me to come back for a second interview and I ultimately 340.5530 287 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 340.5530 (pause 0.42) 340.9748 288 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 340.9748 was accepted, so I- I- I went there. 343.1976 289 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 343.1976 (pause 0.34) 343.5374 290 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 343.5374 My sister went to 344.7762 291 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 344.7762 (pause 0.11) 344.8824 292 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 344.8824 Coolidge High School, which was the high school in our 347.2863 293 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 347.2863 (pause 0.43) 347.7181 294 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 347.7181 neighborhood in- in Tacoma Park section of DC. 349.8205 295 DCB_int_01 350.0824 Mm. 350.3798 296 DCB_int_01 350.3798 (pause 0.81) 351.1868 297 DCB_int_01 351.1868 So let's go back to elementary school for a minute. 353.4213 298 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 353.4562 Sure. 353.8074 299 DCB_int_01 353.7535 So you guys- Which elementary school did you go to? 356.3231 300 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 356.2453 /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 356.6558 301 DCB_int_01 356.9815 /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 357.3425 302 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 357.5619 Yes. 357.9159 303 DCB_int_01 358.1495 And how was that experience? 359.4845 304 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 359.5623 It was great. 360.1428 305 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 360.1428 (pause 0.20) 360.3410 306 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 360.3410 I a- 360.9357 307 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 360.9357 (pause 0.13) 361.0631 308 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 361.0631 /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was a lot of fun. I had some 362.6700 309 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 362.6700 (pause 0.59) 363.2575 310 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 363.2575 fantastic teachers, great teachers, 365.6473 311 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 365.6473 (pause 0.39) 366.0366 312 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 366.0366 um, there. I enjoyed going to- to school there. It was- 369.7248 313 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 369.7248 (pause 0.67) 370.3973 314 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 370.3973 it was a lot of fun. I enjoyed elementary school, and, um, 373.5020 315 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 373.5020 (pause 0.70) 374.2028 316 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 374.2028 the- 374.6488 317 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 374.6488 (pause 0.28) 374.9248 318 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 374.9248 I went from there, 375.9796 319 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 375.9796 (pause 0.60) 376.5813 320 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 376.5813 um, 377.1872 321 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 377.1872 (pause 0.34) 377.5269 322 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 377.5269 to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Junior High School in the seventh grade. 380.1037 323 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 380.1037 (pause 0.44) 380.5426 324 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 380.5426 Um, 381.1514 325 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 381.1514 (pause 0.75) 381.9017 326 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 381.9017 I was there for just one year. My sister was still at- at 384.3764 327 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 384.3764 (pause 0.35) 384.7304 328 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 384.7304 Gor- at- I'm sorry, at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ in the sixth grade. 386.6983 329 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 386.6983 (pause 1.41) 388.1070 330 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 388.1070 That summer between 389.7676 331 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 389.7676 (pause 0.24) 390.0083 332 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 390.0083 my seventh and eighth grade, 391.3675 333 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 391.3675 (pause 0.72) 392.0895 334 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 392.0895 the 392.6488 335 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 392.6488 (pause 0.73) 393.3744 336 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 393.3744 DC public school system 395.1518 337 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 395.1518 (pause 0.56) 395.7110 338 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 395.7110 relaxed its rules about where you could go to school. 398.0683 339 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 398.0683 (pause 0.89) 398.9602 340 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 398.9602 And 399.6469 341 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 399.6469 (pause 0.64) 400.2881 342 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 400.2881 now they were allowing 401.6968 343 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 401.6968 (pause 0.34) 402.0366 344 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 402.0366 students from other parts of the city 404.0966 345 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 404.0966 (pause 0.53) 404.6275 346 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 404.6275 to go to some of the schools west of Rock Creek Park 408.0154 347 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 408.0154 (pause 0.44) 408.4543 348 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 408.4543 that were both under-enrolled 410.3727 349 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 410.3727 (pause 0.35) 410.7266 350 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 410.7266 and 411.4558 351 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 411.4558 (pause 0.20) 411.6540 352 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 411.6540 essentially segregated. 412.7724 353 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 412.7724 (pause 0.63) 413.4066 354 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 413.4066 So my- 414.3552 355 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 414.3552 (pause 0.43) 414.7870 356 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 414.7870 while I was away in North Carolina my mother transferred my sister and I 417.8947 357 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 417.8947 (pause 0.46) 418.3548 358 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 418.3548 to 419.1164 359 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 419.1164 (pause 0.18) 419.2933 360 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 419.2933 /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Junior High School, 420.4543 361 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 420.4543 (pause 0.47) 420.9215 362 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 420.9215 and so every day we rode 422.7549 363 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 422.7549 (pause 0.17) 422.9248 364 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 422.9248 the bus all the way across town 424.3335 365 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 424.3335 (pause 0.37) 424.7058 366 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 424.7058 from 425.1447 367 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 425.1447 (pause 0.57) 425.7110 368 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 425.7110 Northeast to far Northwest 427.9267 369 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 427.9267 (pause 0.45) 428.3798 370 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 428.3798 to go to school. 429.4062 371 DCB_int_01 430.8969 So that's- Okay, so 432.1924 372 DCB_int_01 432.1924 (pause 0.59) 432.7870 373 DCB_int_01 432.7870 that's a interesting point you brought up, and I was- 434.7408 374 DCB_int_01 434.7408 (pause 0.30) 435.0452 375 DCB_int_01 435.0452 I was listening to your older recording, 437.0881 376 DCB_int_01 437.0881 (pause 0.45) 437.5411 377 DCB_int_01 437.5411 and you talked about when you first kind of interacted with white people I think it was when you- 441.6398 378 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 442.0079 [ from /??/] 442.8828 379 DCB_int_01 442.0404 [from- at Langley.] 442.8898 380 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 443.4562 Well, no, it was at- it was really at /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 445.7782 381 DCB_int_01 445.7710 At /RD-SCHOOL-2/, [okay.] 446.6275 382 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 446.5072 [It was] at /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 447.1797 383 DCB_int_01 447.7318 And- 448.3831 384 DCB_int_01 448.3831 (pause 0.19) 448.5713 385 DCB_int_01 448.5713 and so talk about that experience and then, and then kind of this idea of going to this 452.7903 386 DCB_int_01 452.7903 (pause 0.41) 453.2009 387 DCB_int_01 453.2009 desegregated school and how that was different from 455.9588 388 DCB_int_01 455.9588 (pause 0.22) 456.1782 389 DCB_int_01 456.1782 your segregated school and that experience because 458.5426 390 DCB_int_01 458.5426 (pause 0.40) 458.9461 391 DCB_int_01 458.9461 now, you know, I- I've never been to a- a segregated school, 462.1994 392 DCB_int_01 462.1994 (pause 0.76) 462.9640 393 DCB_int_01 462.9640 um, and so that's a very different thing for me. 465.1372 394 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 465.6257 So 466.3335 395 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 466.3335 (pause 1.94) 468.2773 396 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 468.2773 going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and then going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ for a year, 471.8947 397 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 471.8947 (pause 0.46) 472.3589 398 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 472.3589 um, 472.9394 399 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 472.9394 (pause 0.28) 473.2155 400 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 473.2155 the schools were 474.4543 401 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 474.4543 (pause 0.94) 475.3958 402 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 475.3958 all black 475.9196 403 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 475.9196 (pause 0.21) 476.1320 404 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 476.1320 s- in terms of students. 477.1726 405 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 477.1726 (pause 0.50) 477.6681 406 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 477.6681 I- There might have been one or two white students there, um, at some point. 481.3462 407 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 481.3462 (pause 0.46) 481.8064 408 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 481.8064 Um, but I don't remember. 482.9390 409 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 482.9390 (pause 0.70) 483.6398 410 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 483.6398 For- for the most part they were all black. 485.1419 411 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 485.1419 (pause 0.26) 485.3995 412 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 485.3995 Um, 485.7676 413 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 485.7676 (pause 0.19) 485.9588 414 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 485.9588 the teachers were 486.9215 415 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 486.9215 (pause 0.59) 487.5090 416 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 487.5090 essentially all black. 488.4505 417 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 488.4505 (pause 0.86) 489.3071 418 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 489.3071 But it was a very nurturing 491.3287 419 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 491.3287 (pause 0.60) 491.9304 420 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 491.9304 environment 492.4968 421 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 492.4968 (pause 0.53) 493.0277 422 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 493.0277 and, um, 494.4364 423 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 494.4364 (pause 0.31) 494.7479 424 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 494.7479 I had great teachers. They were 496.3265 425 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 496.3265 (pause 1.15) 497.4774 426 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 497.4774 accomplished in their own right, 498.9144 427 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 498.9144 (pause 0.32) 499.2330 428 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 499.2330 more so than 500.1886 429 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 500.1886 (pause 0.71) 500.8965 430 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 500.8965 I realized at the time, in terms of 502.8574 431 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 502.8574 (pause 0.49) 503.3429 432 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 503.3429 the experience in other things, educational experience that they had. 506.3868 433 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 506.3868 (pause 0.48) 506.8682 434 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 506.8682 Um, and they were well respected of course in the- in the community, as teachers were back in the- 511.3887 435 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 511.3887 (pause 0.18) 511.5728 436 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 511.5728 in that time. 512.2028 437 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 512.2028 (pause 0.57) 512.7762 438 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 512.7762 More so than now. 513.7177 439 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 513.7177 (pause 0.60) 514.3194 440 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 514.3194 Um, 514.8715 441 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 514.8715 (pause 0.38) 515.2509 442 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 515.2509 and, so, 516.0012 443 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 516.0012 (pause 0.45) 516.4543 444 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 516.4543 it was- it was 517.9268 445 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 517.9268 (pause 0.65) 518.5780 446 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 518.5780 a very 519.6186 447 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 519.6186 (pause 0.80) 520.4185 448 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 520.4185 encouraging and 521.9871 449 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 521.9871 (pause 0.18) 522.1641 450 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 522.1641 nurturing en- 523.1834 451 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 523.1834 (pause 0.15) 523.3321 452 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 523.3321 environment, 524.0683 453 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 524.0683 (pause 0.50) 524.5638 454 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 524.5638 and 525.1726 455 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 525.1726 (pause 0.42) 525.5973 456 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 525.5973 it was the kind of situation where 527.6685 457 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 527.6685 (pause 0.40) 528.0649 458 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 528.0649 the- the schools- 529.4878 459 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 529.4878 (pause 0.41) 529.8984 460 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 529.8984 the teachers knew all the kids 531.5619 461 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 531.5619 (pause 0.82) 532.3831 462 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 532.3831 and 533.2579 463 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 533.2579 (pause 0.77) 534.0296 464 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 534.0296 most of their parents as well. 535.8418 465 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 535.8418 (pause 0.64) 536.4859 466 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 536.4859 And, so, 537.4133 467 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 537.4133 (pause 0.43) 537.8451 468 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 537.8451 if 538.4539 469 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 538.4539 (pause 0.27) 538.7199 470 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 538.7199 there was anything going on, 540.1499 471 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 540.1499 (pause 0.35) 540.5038 472 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 540.5038 the parents were very much involved in the school. All the parents went to PTA meetings, 544.4793 473 DCB_int_01 544.6067 Mm. 544.9536 474 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 545.0173 and, um, 546.2065 475 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 546.2065 (pause 0.57) 546.7799 476 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 546.7799 the parents not only kept track of 549.0735 477 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 549.0735 (pause 0.24) 549.3142 478 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 549.3142 what their own kids were doing in school, 550.8999 479 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 550.8999 (pause 0.44) 551.3358 480 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 551.3358 but they also wanted to know 552.5534 481 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 552.5534 (pause 0.32) 552.8719 482 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 552.8719 what their 553.6789 483 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 553.6789 (pause 0.42) 554.1037 484 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 554.1037 friends were doing in school too. 555.3637 485 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 555.3637 (pause 0.30) 555.6681 486 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 555.6681 So 556.1495 487 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 556.1495 (pause 0.30) 556.4468 488 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 556.4468 when I would go to 557.7181 489 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 557.7181 (pause 0.78) 558.4968 490 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 558.4968 Larry's house, who was a good friend of mine growing up, 560.7337 491 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 560.7337 (pause 0.71) 561.4416 492 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 561.4416 and it was about report card time 563.1659 493 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 563.1659 (pause 0.23) 563.3995 494 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 563.3995 then 563.5765 495 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 563.5765 (pause 0.43) 564.0083 496 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 564.0083 I would always get asked about my report card 566.0400 497 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 566.0400 (pause 0.76) 566.7974 498 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 566.7974 as well as 567.6610 499 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 567.6610 (pause 0.32) 567.9796 500 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 567.9796 knowing that he's been asked his. And vice versa. 570.1357 501 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 570.1357 (pause 0.47) 570.6029 502 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 570.6029 So 571.1126 503 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 571.1126 (pause 0.79) 571.9055 504 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 571.9055 everybody was kind of involved and education was a very very important 575.6261 505 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 575.6261 (pause 0.74) 576.3693 506 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 576.3693 thing to all of the families at that time because it was a time when 579.5549 507 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 579.5549 (pause 0.40) 579.9513 508 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 579.9513 people were starting to 581.1730 509 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 581.1730 (pause 0.28) 581.4562 510 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 581.4562 see opportunities evolve and develop, 583.3392 511 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 583.3392 (pause 0.56) 583.8984 512 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 583.8984 um, as black people. 584.8328 513 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 584.8328 (pause 0.57) 585.4062 514 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 585.4062 Um, 585.9230 515 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 585.9230 (pause 0.46) 586.3831 516 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 586.3831 but education- 587.2579 517 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 587.2579 (pause 0.43) 587.6898 518 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 587.6898 Everybody understood education was key to 589.6435 519 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 589.6435 (pause 0.21) 589.8559 520 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 589.8559 being able to take advantage of those opportunities. 591.6681 521 DCB_int_01 593.1942 So 593.8030 522 DCB_int_01 593.8030 (pause 0.50) 594.2986 523 DCB_int_01 594.2986 moving from 595.3745 524 DCB_int_01 595.3745 (pause 1.35) 596.7266 525 DCB_int_01 596.7266 the /RD-SCHOOL-4/ 598.0404 526 DCB_int_01 598.0404 (pause 0.46) 598.4964 527 DCB_int_01 598.4964 is most definitely predominantly white, 600.4410 528 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 600.4826 Yes. 600.9427 529 DCB_int_01 601.3250 um, and I 602.2807 530 DCB_int_01 602.2807 (pause 0.42) 602.6983 531 DCB_int_01 602.6983 thought something 603.4699 532 DCB_int_01 603.4699 (pause 0.42) 603.8876 533 DCB_int_01 603.8876 even in 604.4256 534 DCB_int_01 604.4256 (pause 0.14) 604.5642 535 DCB_int_01 604.5642 nineteen- what was this, nineteen sixty six? 606.6313 536 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 607.3038 [S-] 607.9125 537 DCB_int_01 607.3038 [Um,] sixty 608.4081 538 DCB_int_01 608.5426 [eight some-] 608.9815 539 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 608.6488 [sixty-] 609.4912 540 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 610.1495 sixty [six was] when- Yes, when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 612.6596 541 DCB_int_01 610.7624 [Six.] 611.0597 542 DCB_int_01 612.9427 And you said, 613.7143 543 DCB_int_01 613.7143 (pause 0.14) 613.8559 544 DCB_int_01 613.8559 I realized that we were all friends 615.7318 545 DCB_int_01 615.7318 (pause 1.54) 617.2721 546 DCB_int_01 617.2721 when we were at school but it was very different when we left school. 619.9692 547 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 620.1178 Sure. 620.5992 548 DCB_int_01 620.7054 And that just really like- that hit me like a ton of bricks. 623.8052 549 DCB_int_01 623.8052 (pause 0.74) 624.5463 550 DCB_int_01 624.5463 Um, describe what it was like at school and then what did that mean to you- what- why- what made you say that statement when you left- 631.5515 551 DCB_int_01 631.5515 (pause 0.20) 631.7497 552 DCB_int_01 631.7497 when- when three o'clock- when the bell rang? 633.6186 553 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 634.3973 Well, 634.7158 554 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 634.7158 (pause 0.39) 635.1093 555 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 635.1093 I- I d- I- 636.0296 556 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 636.0296 (pause 0.16) 636.1924 557 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 636.1924 s- don't remember specifics but I remember vaguely 638.8965 558 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 638.8965 (pause 0.43) 639.3273 559 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 639.3273 that, um, 640.4397 560 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 640.4397 (pause 0.41) 640.8544 561 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 640.8544 there were, 641.8172 562 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 641.8172 (pause 0.26) 642.0791 563 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 642.0791 um- 642.4614 564 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 642.4614 (pause 0.76) 643.2188 565 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 643.2188 We'd get different reactions from students 645.2859 566 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 645.2859 (pause 0.84) 646.1212 567 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 646.1212 w- that we enc- classmates that we encountered 648.6879 568 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 648.6879 (pause 0.93) 649.6223 569 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 649.6223 in class, 650.6063 570 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 650.6063 (pause 0.23) 650.8328 571 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 650.8328 on campus, 651.7177 572 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 651.7177 (pause 0.61) 652.3306 573 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 652.3306 versus 653.3854 574 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 653.3854 (pause 0.39) 653.7747 575 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 653.7747 out of class 654.6808 576 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 654.6808 (pause 0.45) 655.1268 577 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 655.1268 off campus. 656.0541 578 DCB_int_01 656.5001 Hm. 656.6771 579 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 657.0735 And 657.7672 580 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 657.7672 (pause 0.85) 658.6138 581 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 658.6138 that- that was the difference. 660.1641 582 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 660.1641 (pause 0.41) 660.5746 583 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 660.5746 Um, 661.2613 584 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 661.2613 (pause 0.66) 661.9196 585 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 661.9196 it was- 662.9744 586 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 662.9744 (pause 0.99) 663.9654 587 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 663.9654 DC was still, 665.8880 588 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 665.8880 (pause 2.04) 667.9267 589 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 667.9267 in many respects, 669.7460 590 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 669.7460 (pause 2.28) 672.0296 591 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 672.0296 segregated 672.8932 592 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 672.8932 (pause 0.20) 673.0914 593 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 673.0914 certainly by communities. 674.6488 594 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 674.6488 (pause 1.44) 676.0858 595 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 676.0858 So, um, 677.5340 596 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 677.5340 (pause 0.18) 677.7181 597 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 677.7181 my 677.9800 598 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 677.9800 (pause 0.67) 678.6525 599 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 678.6525 best friend 679.2471 600 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 679.2471 (pause 1.61) 680.8540 601 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 680.8540 was the first student to graduate from /RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School, 683.2146 602 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 683.2146 (pause 0.38) 683.5977 603 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 683.5977 first black student, 684.3607 604 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 684.3607 (pause 0.60) 684.9640 605 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 684.9640 to ever graduate from /RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School. 686.4856 606 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 686.4856 (pause 1.15) 687.6327 607 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 687.6327 So 688.3548 608 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 688.3548 (pause 0.51) 688.8615 609 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 688.8615 that sort of gives you an idea of 690.9144 610 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 690.9144 (pause 0.96) 691.8772 611 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 691.8772 that wasn't that l- 692.7972 612 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 692.7972 (pause 0.20) 692.9956 613 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 692.9956 I mean it was 693.4628 614 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 693.4628 (pause 0.42) 693.8876 615 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 693.8876 a lot of years ago, but 694.8857 616 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 694.8857 (pause 0.38) 695.2650 617 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 695.2650 relatively speaking, when we talk about 697.3675 618 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 697.3675 (pause 0.37) 697.7356 619 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 697.7356 segregation, people think 699.4770 620 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 699.4770 (pause 0.67) 700.1495 621 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 700.1495 beyond that, 700.8715 622 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 700.8715 (pause 0.36) 701.2296 623 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 701.2296 and actually it was not that- 703.3533 624 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 703.3533 (pause 0.58) 703.9338 625 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 703.9338 not that long ago. 704.9036 626 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 704.9036 (pause 0.37) 705.2717 627 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 705.2717 Um, 705.9938 628 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 705.9938 (pause 0.38) 706.3689 629 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 706.3689 and 706.9919 630 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 706.9919 (pause 0.30) 707.2933 631 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 707.2933 it was mostly because it was sort of de facto segregation in that, 711.3708 632 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 711.3708 (pause 0.42) 711.7885 633 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 711.7885 um, 712.4468 634 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 712.4468 (pause 0.66) 713.1093 635 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 713.1093 there were very few people who l- 714.2419 636 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 714.2419 (pause 0.47) 714.7162 637 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 714.7162 black people and people of color who lived west of Rock Creek Park. 717.5053 638 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 717.5053 (pause 0.63) 718.1353 639 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 718.1353 Um, 718.7937 640 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 718.7937 (pause 0.33) 719.1234 641 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 719.1234 most, 720.0366 642 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 720.0366 (pause 0.59) 720.6242 643 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 720.6242 um, people of color, black people in particular, 722.7691 644 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 722.7691 (pause 0.38) 723.1514 645 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 723.1514 lived East of Rock Creek Park, 724.7526 646 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 724.7526 (pause 0.55) 725.3075 647 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 725.3075 um, and then certain other neighborhoods 727.2400 648 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 727.2400 (pause 0.34) 727.5798 649 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 727.5798 over time were initially all black and 729.7743 650 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 729.7743 (pause 1.27) 731.0456 651 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 731.0456 grew and changed and became- 732.5251 652 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 732.5251 (pause 0.45) 732.9710 653 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 732.9710 I'm sorry, all white- and then grew and 734.7691 654 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 734.7691 (pause 0.55) 735.3142 655 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 735.3142 changed and became, 736.2486 656 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 736.2486 (pause 0.26) 736.5076 657 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 736.5076 um, 736.9111 658 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 736.9111 (pause 0.43) 737.3429 659 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 737.3429 all black, and 738.2490 660 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 738.2490 (pause 0.54) 738.7870 661 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 738.7870 so it- it- 739.3958 662 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 739.3958 (pause 0.25) 739.6435 663 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 739.6435 it- it just changed over time. 741.1160 664 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 741.1160 (pause 0.55) 741.6681 665 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 741.6681 But it was an interesting 743.0739 666 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 743.0739 (pause 0.18) 743.2509 667 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 743.2509 dynamic to see that happen. 744.9073 668 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 744.9073 (pause 0.64) 745.5515 669 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 745.5515 And to- and to be part of that, and 747.1726 670 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 747.1726 (pause 0.40) 747.5761 671 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 747.5761 some places were more welcoming than others. 749.8597 672 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 749.8597 (pause 0.43) 750.2915 673 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 750.2915 /RD-SCHOOL-2/, 751.0985 674 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 751.0985 (pause 0.19) 751.2896 675 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 751.2896 because of the 752.2169 676 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 752.2169 (pause 0.79) 753.0098 677 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 753.0098 Quaker philosophy and 754.4654 678 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 754.4654 (pause 0.55) 755.0173 679 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 755.0173 sort of the- 755.7163 680 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 755.7163 (pause 0.24) 755.9588 681 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 755.9588 the underlying theme of the school 757.5303 682 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 757.5303 (pause 0.55) 758.0824 683 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 758.0824 was probably more welcoming 760.0997 684 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 760.0997 (pause 0.68) 760.7766 685 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 760.7766 for black students than 762.3614 686 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 762.3614 (pause 0.29) 762.6525 687 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 762.6525 some of the other private schools 764.3444 688 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 764.3444 (pause 0.35) 764.6983 689 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 764.6983 that were also taking in and re- recruiting and taking in black students at the time. 768.2986 690 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 768.2986 (pause 0.38) 768.6737 691 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 768.6737 And we probably, percentage wise, probably had a larger number of black students 771.9867 692 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 771.9867 (pause 0.42) 772.4085 693 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 772.4085 than some of our, um, 773.7959 694 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 773.7959 (pause 0.64) 774.4331 695 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 774.4331 competing private schools at the time. 776.4364 696 DCB_int_01 777.8380 Did you ever talk to your sister about her 779.7110 697 DCB_int_01 779.7110 (pause 0.34) 780.0508 698 DCB_int_01 780.0508 high s- I mean I'm sure you did- but about her high school, and did you kind of see her high school experience 784.4014 699 DCB_int_01 784.4014 (pause 0.30) 784.7058 700 DCB_int_01 784.7058 as very different from your high school experience? 786.7870 701 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 787.0418 Um, 787.4524 702 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 787.4524 (pause 0.29) 787.7427 703 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 787.7427 I knew her high school experience was- was different than mine. 790.9215 704 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 790.9215 (pause 0.27) 791.1942 705 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 791.1942 We never really talked about and compared the two. 793.3179 706 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 793.3179 (pause 0.40) 793.7143 707 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 793.7143 And that's interesting, you should ask. I- Now that I think about it, we- we- we never did. 797.1376 708 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 797.1376 (pause 0.45) 797.5907 709 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 797.5907 I knew a lot of the people that she went to high school with, um, 800.4435 710 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 800.4435 (pause 0.36) 800.8045 711 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 800.8045 particularly the guys because I played ball 803.4066 712 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 803.4066 (pause 0.52) 803.9234 713 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 803.9234 with them on the weekends and during the summer and that sort of stuff. 806.6700 714 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 806.6700 (pause 0.52) 807.1868 715 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 807.1868 Um, 807.8876 716 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 807.8876 (pause 0.25) 808.1353 717 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 808.1353 and s- knew a lot of her friends that she went to school with, 810.6216 718 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 810.6216 (pause 0.42) 811.0418 719 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 811.0418 when they came by the house and that s- um, 813.0806 720 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 813.0806 (pause 0.38) 813.4628 721 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 813.4628 but 813.7814 722 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 813.7814 (pause 0.33) 814.1070 723 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 814.1070 th- the day to day kinds of things that went on at the school, 817.1905 724 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 817.1905 (pause 0.30) 817.4949 725 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 817.4949 I- I really didn't 818.9461 726 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 818.9461 (pause 0.18) 819.1230 727 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 819.1230 talk to her that much. 820.2061 728 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 820.2061 (pause 0.27) 820.4793 729 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 820.4793 But I don't think 821.5694 730 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 821.5694 (pause 0.67) 822.2419 731 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 822.2419 it was that different 823.7356 732 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 823.7356 (pause 0.96) 824.6983 733 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 824.6983 than the experience I had 826.1495 734 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 826.1495 (pause 0.49) 826.6421 735 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 826.6421 in 827.1447 736 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 827.1447 (pause 0.52) 827.6685 737 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 827.6685 public junior high school. 829.0172 738 DCB_int_01 829.2188 Hm. 829.4687 739 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 829.9621 And, um, 831.1372 740 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 831.1372 (pause 0.45) 831.5832 741 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 831.5832 and then as I, 832.4114 742 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 832.4114 (pause 0.51) 832.9252 743 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 832.9252 uh, there were a lot of the people that I went to junior high school with 835.9975 744 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 835.9975 (pause 0.55) 836.5426 745 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 836.5426 who went on to go to what was then Western 839.8313 746 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 839.8313 (pause 0.38) 840.2136 747 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 840.2136 High School, 840.8719 748 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 840.8719 (pause 0.38) 841.2542 749 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 841.2542 which is now Duke Ellington. 842.4930 750 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 842.4930 (pause 0.64) 843.1372 751 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 843.1372 Um, 843.6044 752 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 843.6044 (pause 0.23) 843.8380 753 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 843.8380 some went to Wilson, 844.8474 754 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 844.8474 (pause 0.37) 845.2155 755 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 845.2155 and some- some went to Roosevelt, 846.7233 756 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 846.7233 (pause 0.35) 847.0772 757 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 847.0772 but I s- 847.6577 758 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 847.6577 (pause 0.20) 847.8559 759 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 847.8559 I would kind of keep in touch with some of them, or see them, 850.1778 760 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 850.1778 (pause 0.44) 850.6138 761 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 850.6138 and so you had a sense of what was going on in the 853.1622 762 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 853.1622 (pause 0.45) 853.6152 763 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 853.6152 DC public schools 854.8470 764 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 854.8470 (pause 0.38) 855.2222 765 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 855.2222 as- as well. 856.1141 766 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 856.1141 (pause 0.29) 856.4014 767 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 856.4014 So I didn't really 857.1659 768 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 857.1659 (pause 0.50) 857.6685 769 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 857.6685 get into 858.8082 770 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 858.8082 (pause 0.64) 859.4453 771 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 859.4453 the sort of daily routines of what was going on, but some of the- 862.1353 772 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 862.1353 (pause 0.28) 862.4114 773 DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 862.4114 some of the social activities I certainly knew about. 866.4081