Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DTA_int_02 0.7322 Um, 1.0533 2 DTA_int_02 1.0533 (pause 0.14) 1.1910 3 DTA_int_02 1.1910 what kind of games do the kids play around here? 3.0471 4 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 4.2307 Uh, horseshoe, 5.5267 5 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 5.5267 (pause 0.16) 5.6835 6 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 5.6835 baseball, 6.6985 7 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 6.6985 (pause 3.15) 9.8453 8 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 9.8453 and I guess just regular games. 11.7552 9 DTA_int_02 13.5855 How do they play horseshoes? 14.3706 10 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 15.1209 In the backyard, 16.2368 11 DTA_int_02 16.3408 Mm-hm. 16.5733 12 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 16.9495 with horseshoes. 17.9037 13 DTA_int_02 18.3564 Regular, um. 19.0992 14 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 19.2154 Regular horseshoes. They get them from the recreation center. 22.1451 15 DTA_int_02 22.3408 Mm-hm. 22.5488 16 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 22.8608 They loan them to, uh, 24.1851 17 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 24.1851 (pause 0.43) 24.6194 18 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 24.6194 the boys and- for a couple of days and they have to return them. 27.1697 19 DTA_int_02 27.3136 Mm-hm. 27.5414 20 DTA_int_02 27.5414 (pause 0.55) 28.0961 21 DTA_int_02 28.0961 How do you, uh- 28.7935 22 DTA_int_02 28.7935 (pause 0.12) 28.9158 23 DTA_int_02 28.9158 how do you keep score in it? 29.8242 24 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 30.7536 Oh, I'm not sure. I never play with ['em.] 32.7673 25 DTA_int_02 32.6162 [Mm-hm.] 32.8383 26 DTA_int_02 34.2338 What did you play when you were a- 35.3257 27 DTA_int_02 35.3257 (pause 0.54) 35.8609 28 DTA_int_02 35.8609 a girl? 36.1759 29 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 39.2153 It's been so long [ago.] 40.6286 30 DTA_int_02 40.5335 [] 40.9311 31 DTA_int_02 41.0994 [/Wonder what/ /inaudible/.] 41.7477 32 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 41.4021 [At /unintelligible/] fourteen or fifteen I can't [remember] 44.4847 33 DTA_int_02 44.2247 [Yeah.] 44.4205 34 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 44.6774 [too much] of it. 45.4481 35 DTA_int_02 44.7080 Mm-hm. 44.8823 36 DTA_int_02 45.6098 Mm-hm. 45.8178 37 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 46.2246 Swimming. Uh, yeah, we- I was raised in Highland Park High, so 49.7928 38 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 49.7928 (pause 0.77) 50.5612 39 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 50.5612 swimming and 51.4377 40 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 51.4377 (pause 1.37) 52.8118 41 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 52.8118 the usual. 53.5061 42 DTA_int_02 53.7477 Mm-hm. 53.9985 43 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 54.1392 I imagine. 55.1756 44 DTA_int_02 55.3255 Mm-hm. 55.5885 45 DTA_int_02 55.5885 (pause 1.54) 57.1281 46 DTA_int_02 57.1281 Do you- uh, 57.6832 47 DTA_int_02 57.6832 (pause 0.56) 58.2429 48 DTA_int_02 58.2429 do you watch television at all? 59.1911 49 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 59.6651 [Yes.] 60.1300 50 DTA_int_02 60.1117 [What are] your favorite programs? 61.0942 51 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 62.0443 Mm, 63.0505 52 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 63.0505 (pause 0.66) 63.7107 53 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 63.7107 I watch the serials in the morning. 65.8395 54 DTA_int_02 66.0658 Mm-hm. 66.3472 55 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 66.4940 FBI, or 67.9586 56 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 67.9586 (pause 0.43) 68.3929 57 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 68.3929 the movies. [Most of-] mostly the movies. 70.8546 58 DTA_int_02 69.3009 [Mm-hm.] 69.4925 59 DTA_int_02 70.9464 Hm. 71.1655 60 DTA_int_02 71.1655 (pause 0.42) 71.5856 61 DTA_int_02 71.5856 Have you seen any good movies lately that you can, uh, remember? 74.1115 62 DTA_int_02 74.1115 (pause 2.27) 76.3806 63 DTA_int_02 76.3806 You can tell me about. 77.0810 64 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 79.6834 Um, 80.2400 65 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 80.2400 (pause 1.26) 81.5028 66 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 81.5028 no I can't. 82.6252 67 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 82.6252 (pause 0.37) 82.9953 68 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 82.9953 Right through here, I can't even remember. 84.9248 69 DTA_int_02 85.1298 Yeah. 85.4050 70 DTA_int_02 85.4050 (pause 1.24) 86.6437 71 DTA_int_02 86.6437 Uh, 86.9618 72 DTA_int_02 86.9618 (pause 0.55) 87.5154 73 DTA_int_02 87.5154 yeah, uh, what I'm- what I'm trying to do on this is, uh, 90.0046 74 DTA_int_02 90.0046 (pause 0.75) 90.7536 75 DTA_int_02 90.7536 just get you to describe something and talk about 93.4294 76 DTA_int_02 93.4294 (pause 0.14) 93.5731 77 DTA_int_02 93.5731 um, [/you know, explain/] about anything, about 95.6376 78 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 93.8606 [About it.] 94.5212 79 DTA_int_02 95.7538 something. Describe a story or 97.3033 80 DTA_int_02 97.3033 (pause 0.37) 97.6711 81 DTA_int_02 97.6711 a book you've read or 98.7924 82 DTA_int_02 98.7924 (pause 0.33) 99.1239 83 DTA_int_02 99.1239 a movie you've seen or a TV 100.7032 84 DTA_int_02 100.7032 (pause 0.56) 101.2645 85 DTA_int_02 101.2645 series. What- what, uh? 102.8545 86 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 103.6986 Well it was a interesting one on Perry Mason. 106.2980 87 DTA_int_02 106.5121 What happened? 106.9923 88 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 108.7230 Uh, 109.3744 89 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 109.3744 (pause 1.29) 110.6682 90 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 110.6682 the nurse was keeping, 111.9982 91 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 111.9982 (pause 0.16) 112.1603 92 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 112.1603 uh, 112.6925 93 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 112.6925 (pause 0.13) 112.8240 94 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 112.8240 an ill woman and the husband fell in love with her. 115.9892 95 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 115.9892 (pause 1.09) 117.0750 96 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 117.0750 And then she 117.9615 97 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 117.9615 (pause 0.35) 118.3133 98 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 118.3133 died, suddenly, and they found out that 120.6985 99 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 120.6985 (pause 0.82) 121.5212 100 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 121.5212 the wife was poisoned. 123.0536 101 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 123.0536 (pause 0.22) 123.2738 102 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 123.2738 And they thought the husband had did it 125.1459 103 DTA_int_02 125.3379 Mm-hm. 125.6101 104 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 125.9190 to get to the nurse. 127.0205 105 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 127.0205 (pause 0.65) 127.6711 106 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 127.6711 But then they found out that the nurse was ill herself. 130.9959 107 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 130.9959 (pause 0.74) 131.7383 108 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 131.7383 That she started nursing at an early age because her sister who raised her 136.0772 109 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 136.0772 (pause 0.80) 136.8730 110 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 136.8730 was sick. And she was ill for about five years and she died. 141.0046 111 DTA_int_02 141.0046 Mm-hm. 141.3013 112 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 141.9829 And, um, 142.8210 113 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 142.8210 (pause 0.25) 143.0748 114 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 143.0748 she made up her mind then she was gonna help the ones that were sick. 146.3684 115 DTA_int_02 146.5489 Mm-hm. 146.7936 116 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 147.3345 And they checked back and the last three- three cases she had nursed, she had poisoned 'em. When they become so ill, she would, uh, 153.7383 117 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 153.7383 (pause 1.64) 155.3807 118 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 155.3807 like a mercy killing. 156.6989 119 DTA_int_02 156.8239 Hm. 156.9768 120 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 157.7224 Then they had the husband in jail 159.5643 121 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 159.5643 (pause 0.87) 160.4325 122 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 160.4325 and the- 160.9219 123 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 160.9219 (pause 0.18) 161.1024 124 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 161.1024 the poison that she had used was just 163.0528 125 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 163.0528 (pause 0.91) 163.9678 126 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 163.9678 164.1146 127 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 164.1146 (pause 0.32) 164.4296 128 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 164.4296 a regular, uh, 165.4175 129 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 165.4175 (pause 0.58) 165.9952 130 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 165.9952 f- garden 167.0473 131 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 167.0473 (pause 0.13) 167.1758 132 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 167.1758 poison forms. 168.4420 133 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 168.4420 (pause 1.04) 169.4784 134 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 169.4784 And things. 170.2277 135 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 170.2277 (pause 0.15) 170.3776 136 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 170.3776 And, uh, 170.8517 137 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 170.8517 (pause 0.86) 171.7077 138 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 171.7077 they found out that she had did this. 173.4877 139 DTA_int_02 173.6590 Mm-hm. 173.8884 140 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 174.8025 And that was rather interesting. 176.1176 141 DTA_int_02 176.6376 U- uh, 176.9569 142 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 177.1575 [In this-] 177.6591 143 DTA_int_02 177.2860 [I wonder-] 177.5371 144 DTA_int_02 177.7658 I wonder if this is real- 178.6069 145 DTA_int_02 178.6069 (pause 0.16) 178.7690 146 DTA_int_02 178.7690 true life, I wonder if this kind of thing [really happens.] 180.5091 147 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 180.1270 [this-] might. 181.0497 148 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 181.1970 But I don't know, because she was like an upright [citizen. A nurse] and 185.1176 149 DTA_int_02 184.1132 [Mm-hm.] 184.3729 150 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 185.3868 highly respected. 186.5735 151 DTA_int_02 186.6954 And yet she [really.] 187.3387 152 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 187.2888 [And] they had her on the [stand.] 189.1392 153 DTA_int_02 189.0474 [Mm-hm.] 189.2615 154 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 189.5460 And how they detected it 190.9341 155 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 190.9341 (pause 0.59) 191.5244 156 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 191.5244 is the lawyer was on the case, he had sprung- uh, hurt his leg or back or something, but he was on crutches. 197.0289 157 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 197.0289 (pause 0.73) 197.7599 158 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 197.7599 And they went to court. 198.9095 159 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 198.9095 (pause 0.70) 199.6130 160 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 199.6130 And, uh, he 200.5249 161 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 200.5249 (pause 0.94) 201.4664 162 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 201.4664 drove her home, and she doctored on him. 203.9404 163 DTA_int_02 203.9771 Mm-hm. 204.2368 164 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 204.4787 And left some eggnog for him. 206.6651 165 DTA_int_02 206.6926 Mm-hm. 206.9373 166 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 206.9434 And in this eggnog, she had some 208.8087 167 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 208.8087 (pause 0.29) 209.1023 168 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 209.1023 [poisoning.] 209.7722 169 DTA_int_02 209.7324 [Mm-hm.] 209.9281 170 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 210.3961 When she was talking to him, rubbing his back, and he was just paying attention to what she was saying. 214.6466 171 DTA_int_02 214.8454 Mm-hm. 215.1085 172 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 215.8303 Uh, about uh, 217.1481 173 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 217.1481 (pause 0.94) 218.0870 174 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 218.0870 her work 218.7385 175 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 218.7385 (pause 0.43) 219.1698 176 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 219.1698 and how they- usually her patient like- 221.2644 177 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 221.2644 (pause 0.11) 221.3776 178 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 221.3776 patients liked her because she would give 'em little 223.5243 179 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 223.5243 (pause 0.27) 223.7934 180 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 223.7934 special treats and [things. Do] little extras for 'em. 226.9494 181 DTA_int_02 225.5119 [Mm-hm.] 225.7586 182 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 227.7416 And they 228.2279 183 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 228.2279 (pause 0.14) 228.3716 184 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 228.3716 traced back and she had been feeding this woman 230.6529 185 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 230.6529 (pause 0.43) 231.0780 186 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 231.0780 this poisoning in this eggnog she'd give 'em every- 233.6946 187 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 233.6946 (pause 0.21) 233.9006 188 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 233.9006 her every evening. 234.7208 189 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 234.7208 (pause 1.01) 235.7292 190 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 235.7292 You see, 236.1971 191 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 236.1971 (pause 0.35) 236.5428 192 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 236.5428 and he was ill and she was so far gone, I suppose, 239.6039 193 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 239.6039 (pause 0.37) 239.9709 194 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 239.9709 that she had fixed him some eggnog the way 241.9647 195 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 241.9647 (pause 0.29) 242.2553 196 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 242.2553 that she fixed it for the other two- [three patients] 244.5059 197 DTA_int_02 243.7168 [Hm.] 243.8422 198 DTA_int_02 243.8422 (pause 0.21) 244.0533 199 DTA_int_02 244.0533 [Mm-hm.] 244.3580 200 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 244.7047 with pois- poison. 246.0138 201 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 246.0138 (pause 0.42) 246.4328 202 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 246.4328 Mm-hm. 246.8636 203 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 246.8636 (pause 0.59) 247.4570 204 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 247.4570 And on the stand, she trapped herself. 249.5528 205 DTA_int_02 250.1052 And that was it. 250.6422 206 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 251.0228 Mm-hm. 251.4479 207 DTA_int_02 252.0841 Um, 252.4909 208 DTA_int_02 252.4909 (pause 1.91) 254.3990 209 DTA_int_02 254.3990 what do you think about mercy killings? Do you think there should be a place for this in our- 257.8150 210 DTA_int_02 257.8150 (pause 0.79) 258.6098 211 DTA_int_02 258.6098 in our 258.9958 212 DTA_int_02 258.9958 (pause 0.14) 259.1328 213 DTA_int_02 259.1328 country? 259.5181 214 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 260.0075 I don't think so because, uh, 261.9126 215 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 261.9126 (pause 1.12) 263.0320 216 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 263.0320 I think before I 264.3135 217 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 264.3135 (pause 0.33) 264.6403 218 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 264.6403 felt like 265.1786 219 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 265.1786 (pause 0.58) 265.7628 220 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 265.7628 rather than see someone suffer, 267.5826 221 DTA_int_02 267.7688 Mm-hm. 268.0196 222 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 268.6925 that 268.9341 223 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 268.9341 (pause 0.27) 269.2002 224 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 269.2002 maybe it would be better. 270.3747 225 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 270.3747 (pause 0.63) 271.0012 226 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 271.0012 But, uh, 271.6160 227 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 271.6160 (pause 0.30) 271.9157 228 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 271.9157 nothing's for sure. You never know. [And there was] a letter- 275.0259 229 DTA_int_02 273.9370 [/unintelligible/] 274.5616 230 DTA_int_02 275.1665 [Mm-hm.] 275.3915 231 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 275.3439 [there] was a lady that was ill for 277.2796 232 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 277.7965 a period of time, and she had cancer. 279.6709 233 DTA_int_02 279.7382 Mm-hm. 279.9707 234 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 280.3224 And, uh, 281.0136 235 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 281.0136 (pause 0.43) 281.4418 236 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 281.4418 her family had been sitting up with her for two or three nights, expecting her to live- to die. 286.2867 237 DTA_int_02 286.2857 Mm-hm. 286.5672 238 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 286.9586 And all of sudden she got better. And she lived three years after that. 290.2124 239 DTA_int_02 291.0627 And she was so close to going. 292.2399 240 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 292.4784 Mm-hm. And the- and then these- 293.6838 241 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 293.6838 (pause 0.11) 293.7966 242 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 293.7966 those- these three years, she was out in the street working and doing anything anyone else was doing. She was a little thin, 298.9983 243 DTA_int_02 299.1023 Mm-hm. 299.3623 244 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 300.2493 and she finally died from a heart attack. 302.3500 245 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 302.3500 (pause 0.80) 303.1544 246 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 303.1544 So you see, you can't 304.2367 247 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 304.2367 (pause 0.17) 304.4019 248 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 304.4019 say for sure. That's. 306.1164 249 DTA_int_02 307.5609 Uh-huh, yeah and even- 308.4479 250 DTA_int_02 308.4479 (pause 0.19) 308.6406 251 DTA_int_02 308.6406 even, 309.0749 252 DTA_int_02 309.0749 (pause 0.46) 309.5333 253 DTA_int_02 309.5333 some people are suffering so much they wanna- 311.1604 254 DTA_int_02 311.1604 (pause 0.17) 311.3259 255 DTA_int_02 311.3259 they wanna- 311.8027 256 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 311.8608 Die. You hate to see them suffer, [though.] It's harder, I think, on the family 316.2031 257 DTA_int_02 313.8729 [mm-hm.] 314.1665 258 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 317.0014 than on the person that's going through these changes, because I imagine that they're so doped they don't really feel it. 322.2367 259 DTA_int_02 323.6987 Yeah. 323.9220 260 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 324.4052 But, we don't have that right. 325.9310 261 DTA_int_02 326.1788 No, I- I 326.9250 262 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 327.0657 I don't think we have [that right.] 328.4111 263 DTA_int_02 327.8300 [don't think so.] 328.3190 264 DTA_int_02 329.3347 I guess the laws are pretty- 330.5673 265 DTA_int_02 330.5673 (pause 0.20) 330.7718 266 DTA_int_02 330.7718 pretty strong on that too. 331.7506 267 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 332.2583 They should be. 333.0504 268 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 333.0504 (pause 1.12) 334.1725 269 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 334.1725 Because our- can you imagine if they didn't- if they weren't strict. 337.3744 270 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 337.3744 (pause 1.21) 338.5855 271 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 338.5855 How, uh, 339.2187 272 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 339.2187 (pause 0.73) 339.9510 273 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 339.9510 even with what's going on and everything, I imagine there would one or [two or three like] that, so. 345.2431 274 DTA_int_02 343.6162 [/unintelligible/] 344.6486 275 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 345.8422 We 346.0930 276 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 346.0930 (pause 0.13) 346.2245 277 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 346.2245 couldn't allow that 347.0793 278 DTA_int_02 347.3623 Right. 347.6375 279 DTA_int_02 347.6375 (pause 2.86) 350.4968 280 DTA_int_02 350.4968 Do you have any, uh, 351.3960 281 DTA_int_02 351.3960 (pause 0.42) 351.8208 282 DTA_int_02 351.8208 animals here? Any pets? 352.8821 283 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 353.2522 Oh, yes. We have a dog. 354.7867 284 DTA_int_02 354.9156 What kind of a dog? What's it like? 356.1145 285 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 356.5060 German Shepherd. 357.5520 286 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 357.5520 (pause 0.61) 358.1633 287 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 358.1633 358.3040 288 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 358.3040 (pause 0.54) 358.8393 289 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 358.8393 And, uh, 359.6070 290 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 359.6070 (pause 0.40) 360.0076 291 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 360.0076 most people say he vicious, 361.6863 292 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 361.6863 (pause 0.62) 362.3072 293 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 362.3072 but I feed him out of my hand. 364.0585 294 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 364.0585 (pause 1.29) 365.3439 295 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 365.3439 And 365.9893 296 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 365.9893 (pause 0.23) 366.2187 297 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 366.2187 he's a wonderful dog. 367.3315 298 DTA_int_02 367.4753 Mm-hm. 367.7169 299 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 368.1665 He's a wonderful watch dog. 369.6587 300 DTA_int_02 369.6709 Mm-hm. 369.9217 301 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 370.8484 And there's no men here, my brother stay here sometime. 374.1084 302 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 374.1084 (pause 0.64) 374.7507 303 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 374.7507 And 375.2095 304 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 375.2095 (pause 0.59) 375.7994 305 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 375.7994 without him in the backyard, I think I would be afraid. But at night, 379.5197 306 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 379.5197 (pause 0.54) 380.0625 307 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 380.0625 if anyone's around the house, you know it. 381.9920 308 DTA_int_02 382.8668 And he- he, uh- he watches out for you? 384.7443 309 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 385.0685 Mm-hm. Yes he [does.] 386.3531 310 DTA_int_02 386.1753 [ Well] it's good to have a dog that's, uh, 387.7504 311 DTA_int_02 388.5456 vicious like that. 389.3133 312 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 389.5005 Mm-hm. And, uh, 390.8942 313 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 390.8942 (pause 0.68) 391.5701 314 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 391.5701 people, you know, I guess 392.8822 315 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 392.8822 (pause 0.46) 393.3410 316 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 393.3410 they have different opinions about the dog, but he's really- 396.2401 317 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 396.2401 (pause 1.28) 397.5181 318 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 397.5181 he really comes in handy. 398.9373 319 DTA_int_02 399.0107 [Mm-hm.] 399.2762 320 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 399.2217 [You] know, because I feel /safeter/ myself with [him] out there in the back. 402.7015 321 DTA_int_02 401.3775 [Mm-hm.] 401.6895 322 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 402.8361 With- especially in the summer 404.2216 323 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 404.2216 (pause 0.35) 404.5702 324 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 404.5702 with the screen and the windows open. 406.4845 325 DTA_int_02 406.5823 Mm-hm. 406.8912 326 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 407.2185 [You know,] you never know. 408.3471 327 DTA_int_02 407.2674 [Yeah.] 407.4234 328 DTA_int_02 410.6773 Anything can happen these days. 411.9064 329 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 412.1480 Mm-hm. 412.6139 330 DTA_int_02 415.5212 How do people talk about getting a wish? 417.4817 331 DTA_int_02 417.4817 (pause 0.54) 418.0196 332 DTA_int_02 418.0196 Um, 418.3988 333 DTA_int_02 418.3988 (pause 1.60) 420.0015 334 DTA_int_02 420.0015 I'm thinking along the lines of, uh, 421.5487 335 DTA_int_02 421.5487 (pause 0.25) 421.8025 336 DTA_int_02 421.8025 this is one of the silly questions, along the lines of a wishbone of a chicken. How does that work? 425.6314 337 DTA_int_02 425.6314 (pause 1.53) 427.1572 338 DTA_int_02 427.1572 What do children do on- 428.0442 339 DTA_int_02 428.0442 (pause 0.15) 428.1910 340 DTA_int_02 428.1910 with the wishbone of a chicken? 429.3433 341 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 430.0379 Oh, usually what do they do- close their eyes and make a wish, and the [one] with the longest end of the bone wish is supposed to come true. 437.5060 342 DTA_int_02 433.5762 [Mm-hm.] 433.8345 343 DTA_int_02 437.6497 Mm-hm. 437.8914 344 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 438.3471 I don't believe in that, but this is what they [do.] (laughing) 440.6926 345 DTA_int_02 440.1470 [/unintelligible/-] 440.6167 346 DTA_int_02 440.8638 r- /are there u/- are there any other things that the 442.7720 347 DTA_int_02 442.7720 (pause 0.29) 443.0595 348 DTA_int_02 443.0595 children talk about how you can get a wish? 444.5789 349 DTA_int_02 444.5789 (pause 1.22) 445.8025 350 DTA_int_02 445.8025 You know. 446.1451 351 DTA_int_02 446.1451 (pause 0.17) 446.3133 352 DTA_int_02 446.3133 uh, 446.5458 353 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 447.7718 [No, not] at our [house.] 449.6283 354 DTA_int_02 447.8250 [/??/] 448.2826 355 DTA_int_02 448.2826 (pause 1.07) 449.3531 356 DTA_int_02 449.3531 [Mm-hm.] 449.5794 357 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 453.0198 We were taught- my mother's very religious, so we were always taught to pray for something. 456.6344 358 DTA_int_02 456.7320 Mm-hm. 456.9676 359 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 457.2826 If you really wanted it. 458.4265 360 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 458.4265 (pause 0.98) 459.4052 361 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 459.4052 And whether you got it or not, 460.8209 362 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 460.8209 (pause 1.71) 462.5306 363 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 462.5306 this is the way you would- 463.5456 364 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 463.5456 (pause 0.17) 463.7169 365 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 463.7169 that your chances were better if you would pray. 465.9186 366 DTA_int_02 466.1419 Mm-hm. 466.3927 367 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 467.0319 So I think 467.9214 368 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 467.9214 (pause 0.83) 468.7504 369 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 468.7504 with my children when they want something that I can't, say you better pray for it. 472.8973 370 DTA_int_02 472.9096 Mm-hm. 473.1665 371 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 473.6620 You know, 473.9464 372 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 473.9464 (pause 0.28) 474.2247 373 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 474.2247 and usually maybe a little job or something. 476.3011 374 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 476.3011 (pause 0.96) 477.2584 375 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 477.2584 It comes about in strange ways, but this is usually what happen. 480.4480 376 DTA_int_02 481.1174 What church does your mother belong to? 482.5610 377 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 482.5610 482.6711 378 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 482.8852 Uh, 483.1666 379 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 483.1666 (pause 0.38) 483.5489 380 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 483.5489 Church of God in Christ, 484.7722 381 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 484.7722 (pause 0.12) 484.8963 382 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 484.8963 Caniff and Dequindre. 485.9250 383 DTA_int_02 486.1330 Mm-hm. 486.3777 384 DTA_int_02 486.3777 (pause 2.80) 489.1758 385 DTA_int_02 489.1758 Um, 489.5705 386 DTA_int_02 489.5705 (pause 1.11) 490.6771 387 DTA_int_02 490.6771 do you remember back in school what subjects you studied and, 493.0193 388 DTA_int_02 493.0193 (pause 0.56) 493.5823 389 DTA_int_02 493.5823 uh, 493.8464 390 DTA_int_02 493.8464 (pause 1.50) 495.3501 391 DTA_int_02 495.3501 the courses you took? 496.1663 392 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 497.2307 No, I can't. 498.2951 393 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 498.2951 (pause 3.01) 501.3004 394 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 501.3004 It would be such a job for me to try and figure that far back. 504.4592 395 DTA_int_02 505.0929 Well how about the kids, what are they studying in school? 506.9529 396 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 510.2156 Oh, well I imagine t- to a point they have to su- study certain subjects. 514.2245 397 DTA_int_02 514.7169 Mm-hm. 514.9955 398 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 515.1328 When the older ones, let's see- 516.6831 399 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 516.6831 (pause 0.53) 517.2092 400 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 517.2092 I've got three to graduate, three out of four. 519.8697 401 DTA_int_02 519.9981 Mm-hm. 520.2703 402 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 520.9585 And so they would take typing, 522.8666 403 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 522.8666 (pause 1.11) 523.9738 404 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 523.9738 short hand, 524.9171 405 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 524.9171 (pause 2.72) 527.6375 406 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 527.6375 and, oh I suppose general math. 530.2510 407 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 530.2510 (pause 0.91) 531.1636 408 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 531.1636 That's about it I guess. 532.0528 409 DTA_int_02 532.3223 Mm-hm. 532.5356 410 DTA_int_02 532.5356 (pause 1.33) 533.8638 411 DTA_int_02 533.8638 What types of things are in a classroom? The furniture and 536.5151 412 DTA_int_02 536.5151 (pause 0.23) 536.7476 413 DTA_int_02 536.7476 things on the walls. What- what would be in the classroom? 538.6496 414 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 539.8577 I imagine would, uh, 541.2459 415 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 541.2459 (pause 0.89) 542.1389 416 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 542.1389 well different classes would have different things, like, uh, 545.0932 417 DTA_int_02 545.5060 How [about just /?/-] 546.1572 418 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 545.7048 [science] would have a- 547.2795 419 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 547.6710 a globe, or 548.8149 420 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 548.8149 (pause 0.95) 549.7687 421 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 549.7687 desk 550.3129 422 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 550.3129 (pause 0.75) 551.0625 423 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 551.0625 for the teacher. 551.8057 424 DTA_int_02 553.0990 How about just a regular classroom where you have 554.9158 425 DTA_int_02 554.9158 (pause 0.35) 555.2645 426 DTA_int_02 555.2645 rows of- 555.8054 427 DTA_int_02 555.8054 (pause 0.12) 555.9216 428 DTA_int_02 555.9216 uh, 556.1541 429 DTA_int_02 556.1541 (pause 0.25) 556.4018 430 DTA_int_02 556.4018 uh, all the kids sit in rows and what- what's in here? 558.7616 431 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 559.9116 Well dictionary, books. 561.7075 432 DTA_int_02 563.4478 Mm-hm. 563.8004 433 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 565.3284 Mm, someone else is in the house. 566.8341 434 DTA_int_02 568.9921 What do the kids sit at? 569.8164 435 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 571.2520 At the desks. 572.2307 436 DTA_int_02 573.8391 And what do they write, uh, 575.3133 437 DTA_int_02 575.3133 (pause 0.15) 575.4601 438 DTA_int_02 575.4601 on the- 575.7965 439 DTA_int_02 575.7965 (pause 0.37) 576.1631 440 DTA_int_02 576.1631 /when they w/- 576.5760 441 DTA_int_02 576.5760 (pause 0.20) 576.7778 442 DTA_int_02 576.7778 what's on the wall that they can write on? 578.1481 443 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 578.9861 A blackboard. 579.9889 444 DTA_int_02 586.6373 You tell me if you want me to shut this [whenever.] 588.0654 445 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 587.7904 [Mm-hm.] 588.0647 446 DTA_int_02 589.9585 You can talk, that's [okay. /inaudible/.] 591.2671 447 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 590.7122 [Yeah, they're going] to- uh, my daughter's friend, they probably have a record. 593.9433 448 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 594.4510 She's got a bag, she's got a record. She's going to basement to play it. 597.3746 449 DTA_int_02 597.5489 [Oh, that's nice.] 598.1875 450 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 597.6219 [] 597.9920 451 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 598.8784 It's what they're doing. 599.7078 452 DTA_int_02 599.9892 Now you can- you can talk, y- I mean, [just- just] feel free it won't hurt [to-] 602.6583 453 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 601.1266 [Mm-hm.] 601.4313 454 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 601.4313 (pause 1.07) 602.5029 455 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 602.5029 [ Oh, I understand then.] 603.4816 456 DTA_int_02 602.9006 [to get any kind of talking.] 603.8500 457 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 603.6892 [Yes,] but that is one of my daughter's friends. 605.9444 458 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 606.5561 She 606.8176 459 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 606.8176 (pause 1.27) 608.0869 460 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 608.0869 just have a record and she's going to the basement to play it. With he record she- 611.4608 461 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 611.4608 (pause 0.44) 611.9036 462 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 611.9036 excuse- /RD-NAME-2/ just walked out. 613.5884 463 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 613.5884 (pause 1.82) 615.4113 464 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 615.4113 /RD-NAME-2/, she just walked out a few minutes ago. 617.5852 465 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 617.5852 (pause 4.42) 622.0011 466 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 622.0011 She might be down at your house. 623.5793 467 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 623.5793 (pause 0.25) 623.8301 468 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 623.8301 She just walked out. 624.7656 469 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 624.7656 (pause 1.65) 626.4172 470 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 626.4172 [Um.] 626.7781 471 DTA_int_02 628.4660 /You never/. 628.8075 472 DTA_int_02 628.8075 (pause 0.86) 629.6680 473 DTA_int_02 629.6680 Um, 629.9158 474 DTA_int_02 629.9158 (pause 0.41) 630.3236 475 DTA_int_02 630.3236 you walk outside the classroom and what's- what's- 632.4351 476 DTA_int_02 632.4351 (pause 0.22) 632.6589 477 DTA_int_02 632.6589 you walk into a? 633.5340 478 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 633.7289 Hall. 634.4385 479 DTA_int_02 634.5639 What would be in the hall? 635.4071 480 DTA_int_02 635.4071 (pause 0.44) 635.8454 481 DTA_int_02 635.8454 [/?/.] 636.2199 482 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 636.0809 [Well] 636.5764 483 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 637.4905 pupils going up and down the hall. 639.8543 484 DTA_int_02 640.1449 Would there be some place they'd hang their coats, [or?] 642.5077 485 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 642.2522 [Oh] there would be lockers 643.7597 486 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 644.0196 for that. 644.7641 487 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 644.7641 (pause 0.88) 645.6464 488 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 645.6464 Wouldn't be just in the hall, they would have lockers. 648.1390 489 DTA_int_02 649.1112 Some place to get something to drink? 650.6481 490 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 651.2675 Uh, there's a fountain. 653.1149 491 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 653.1149 (pause 0.37) 653.4845 492 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 653.4845 Water. 654.0656 493 DTA_int_02 655.5150 And [how about if they're going upstairs] or downstairs, what would they? 658.1021 494 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 655.7413 [In the hall.] 656.4364 495 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 658.5517 It would be a stairway for upstairs and other classroom. 662.0930 496 DTA_int_02 664.0868 What's outside the- uh, 665.2765 497 DTA_int_02 665.2765 (pause 0.43) 665.7078 498 DTA_int_02 665.7078 the school building? 666.5917 499 DTA_int_02 666.5917 (pause 0.64) 667.2275 500 DTA_int_02 667.2275 For the kids? 667.7229 501 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 668.9678 Usually in the back there's a playground. 670.9952 502 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 670.9952 (pause 0.62) 671.6191 503 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 671.6191 [Or] to the side. 672.8299 504 DTA_int_02 671.6374 [What-] 671.8210 505 DTA_int_02 673.5639 what types of things do they have on the playground for the kids to- uh, 675.9553 506 DTA_int_02 675.9553 (pause 0.30) 676.2580 507 DTA_int_02 676.2580 to use? 676.7021 508 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 677.8271 Well in the 678.8054 509 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 678.8054 (pause 0.87) 679.6740 510 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 679.6740 intermediate, it would be swings 681.7931 511 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 681.7931 (pause 1.33) 683.1205 512 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 683.1205 and a slide. 684.3164 513 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 684.3164 (pause 0.23) 684.5428 514 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 684.5428 More than likely. 685.3590 515 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 685.3590 (pause 0.68) 686.0349 516 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 686.0349 And high school would just have a- 688.1541 517 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 688.1541 (pause 0.80) 688.9584 518 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 688.9584 the playground /cause you/ and, uh- 691.0042 519 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 691.0042 (pause 0.36) 691.3676 520 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 691.3676 for the boys. 692.2154 521 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 692.2154 (pause 2.80) 695.0135 522 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 695.0135 Something to put the basketball. 696.7626 523 DTA_int_02 696.8237 [Mm-hm.] 697.1418 524 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 697.1235 [You] know. 697.5333 525 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 698.5182 Like that, cause they usually play ball or basketball 701.2092 526 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 701.2092 (pause 0.55) 701.7598 527 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 701.7598 in high school. 702.6192 528 DTA_int_02 703.6801 What would you call one of these things that goes like this, uh? 705.8390 529 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 706.5914 Seesaw. 707.2582 530 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 707.2582 (pause 0.43) 707.6925 531 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 707.6925 Teeter totter or seesaw. [/And uh/.] 709.5027 532 DTA_int_02 709.1326 [Yeah.] 709.3532 533 DTA_int_02 709.7841 You know. 710.0869 534 DTA_int_02 710.0869 (pause 0.48) 710.5640 535 DTA_int_02 710.5640 And how about, um, 711.5275 536 DTA_int_02 711.5275 (pause 0.63) 712.1540 537 DTA_int_02 712.1540 these bars that the kids climb on, what do you call that? 714.2522 538 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 714.7626 Well I think they call 'em monkey [bars, didn't they?] 717.2522 539 DTA_int_02 716.6374 [Yes, that's what everybody] calls them. 717.7901 540 DTA_int_02 718.6159 What do the kids do after school when- when school is out during the year? 721.2775 541 DTA_int_02 721.2775 (pause 0.62) 721.9008 542 DTA_int_02 721.9008 When they come home? 722.5199 543 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 723.5856 Well y- 723.9614 544 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 723.9614 (pause 0.43) 724.3895 545 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 724.3895 my children when they come home change clothes, and 727.2274 546 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 727.2274 (pause 0.77) 728.0013 547 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 728.0013 empty the garbage or trash, 730.0042 548 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 730.0042 (pause 0.95) 730.9493 549 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 730.9493 check their beds, 732.2797 550 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 732.2797 (pause 1.99) 734.2673 551 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 734.2673 and then they go to the park and play. 736.6159 552 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 736.6159 (pause 0.18) 736.7994 553 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 736.7994 Or take their bikes out and ride. 738.7289 554 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 738.7289 (pause 0.19) 738.9216 555 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 738.9216 One son rides a bike, the other 741.0870 556 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 741.0870 (pause 0.79) 741.8818 557 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 741.8818 goes and play ball. 743.1067 558 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 743.1067 (pause 1.04) 744.1513 559 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 744.1513 Or whatever they're playing at the playground. 746.0869 560 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 746.0869 (pause 0.83) 746.9157 561 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 746.9157 And the one that rides the bike like to swim, 749.0716 562 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 749.0716 (pause 0.13) 749.2001 563 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 749.2001 [he don't] play ball. 750.2000 564 DTA_int_02 749.2001 [Mm-hm.] 749.4555 565 DTA_int_02 750.3684 Mm-hm. 750.5886 566 DTA_int_02 750.5886 (pause 2.26) 752.8454 567 DTA_int_02 752.8454 Where does he swim? 753.4041 568 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 754.0286 At Pershing High. 754.8855 569 DTA_int_02 756.9032 Did you ever have a teacher, 758.2245 570 DTA_int_02 758.2245 (pause 0.24) 758.4692 571 DTA_int_02 758.4692 uh, 758.8607 572 DTA_int_02 758.8607 (pause 0.20) 759.0566 573 DTA_int_02 759.0566 who hollered a lot? 759.7136 574 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 761.7445 Yes. 762.3917 575 DTA_int_02 763.0806 What about? 763.5883 576 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 765.2338 Oh most anything. If you were late, if you wasn't paying attention. 769.1029 577 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 769.1029 (pause 2.60) 771.7018 578 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 771.7018 Any number of things. Anything she was displeased with she'd holler. 775.1938 579 DTA_int_02 776.3163 Were you ever yelled at? 777.0992 580 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 779.2887 Sometime, yes. 780.4510 581 DTA_int_02 781.8605 Was it your fault? 782.5824 582 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 784.3987 More than likely. 785.3530 583 DTA_int_02 785.3836 [] 786.3109 584 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 785.7659 [] 786.2828 585 DTA_int_02 786.6280 [/unintelligible/. 787.4923 586 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 786.7289 [When I look up on it] now, more than [likely.] 788.6649 587 DTA_int_02 788.6313 [Yeah.] 788.8156 588 DTA_int_02 793.4782 Can you tell me about the best teacher you ever had? 795.0931 589 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 797.2520 No, I can't remember any. 798.9929 590 DTA_int_02 800.4417 Alright, 800.8364 591 DTA_int_02 800.8364 (pause 0.23) 801.0656 592 DTA_int_02 801.0656 do you 801.4047 593 DTA_int_02 801.4047 (pause 0.16) 801.5607 594 DTA_int_02 801.5607 remember having a teacher you just couldn't stand at all? 803.5854 595 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 805.8483 Yes, I can remember a teacher that seemed that we clashed all the [time.] 809.8967 596 DTA_int_02 809.7781 [Mm-hm.] 810.0350 597 DTA_int_02 810.3684 What was there- about? I mean, what would happen? 812.2276 598 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 813.0595 Um, 813.6952 599 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 813.6952 (pause 1.03) 814.7229 600 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 814.7229 then shortly after this I think I would start skipping her class. 818.6710 601 DTA_int_02 818.6710 Mm-hm. 818.9341 602 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 819.8390 Cause, uh, it was hard for me to get math. I can remember this. 823.5792 603 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 823.5792 (pause 1.23) 824.8056 604 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 824.8056 And it seemed to me that 826.6281 605 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 826.6281 (pause 0.58) 827.2123 606 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 827.2123 her patience was more or less short with me. 829.4782 607 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 829.4782 (pause 0.50) 829.9737 608 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 829.9737 And this was embarrassing. 831.4597 609 DTA_int_02 831.5087 Mm-hm. 831.7771 610 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 832.4813 So rather than to go and ask her, 834.4938 611 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 834.4938 (pause 1.39) 835.8850 612 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 835.8850 I would find some excuse to get sick. 837.7411 613 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 837.7411 (pause 0.39) 838.1305 614 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 838.1305 This is before I got, uh. 839.5915 615 DTA_int_02 841.6734 Mm-hm. 841.8955 616 DTA_int_02 841.8955 (pause 0.19) 842.0838 617 DTA_int_02 842.0838 That took care of that. 843.0075 618 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 843.4964 Mm-hm. 844.1173 619 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 844.1173 (pause 0.13) 844.2488 620 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 844.2488 I realize now it was my mistake, I was hurting myself. But as a child 847.9859 621 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 847.9859 (pause 0.59) 848.5793 622 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 848.5793 all you know that if, uh, 849.9246 623 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 849.9246 (pause 1.82) 851.7444 624 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 851.7444 rather than to them to be embarrassed, 853.8024 625 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 853.8024 (pause 0.39) 854.1908 626 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 854.1908 you know, if she didn't have patience so, uh, 856.1968 627 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 856.1968 (pause 0.91) 857.1022 628 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 857.1022 /or not/. Then that was just that. 858.5397 629 DTA_int_02 859.6036 Did the kids ever play tricks on the teachers? 861.3625 630 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 863.5487 I can r- 864.0778 631 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 864.0778 (pause 0.13) 864.2124 632 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 864.2124 can't remember, uh, playing tricks, but I 866.6221 633 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 866.6221 (pause 0.49) 867.1084 634 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 867.1084 recall when she would go out the room that she- they would do mostly all the things that she said don't do. Like making noise or playing, horsing around. 874.7229 635 DTA_int_02 878.7903 Do you remember, uh, 879.9766 636 DTA_int_02 879.9766 (pause 1.06) 881.0318 637 DTA_int_02 881.0318 who the smarter kids were in the class? 882.5745 638 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 883.1754 Hm, /RD-NAME-3/ was one. 885.0258 639 DTA_int_02 885.9888 [What did he] do that was- uh, was so good? 887.9830 640 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 886.0378 [ /?/] 886.4537 641 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 888.8481 Oh, math 889.6831 642 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 889.6831 (pause 0.62) 890.3071 643 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 890.3071 and 891.1065 644 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 891.1065 (pause 0.91) 892.0194 645 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 892.0194 I was poor in math. 893.1603 646 DTA_int_02 893.2765 [Mm-hm.] 893.5395 647 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 893.5120 [That's] why I think math sticks out. 895.0194 648 DTA_int_02 895.1815 Mm-hm. 895.4660 649 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 896.0287 And, uh, 896.7383 650 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 896.7383 (pause 0.57) 897.3042 651 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 897.3042 if we had a test he was real, you know, [quick.] 900.0533 652 DTA_int_02 899.8821 [Mkay.] 900.3257 653 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 900.5331 Mm-hm. 900.9124 654 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 900.9124 (pause 1.11) 902.0257 655 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 902.0257 And, uh, 902.6160 656 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 902.6160 (pause 0.13) 902.7505 657 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 902.7505 I can remember that. 904.0439 658 DTA_int_02 905.2887 Did the smarter kids have any special rewards or favors, or anything like that? 908.3508 659 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 908.7200 Not that I can recall. 910.1265 660 DTA_int_02 911.9983 [Mm-hm.] 912.1951 661 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 912.0350 [I don't] remember 913.0317 662 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 913.3100 that. 913.8440 663 DTA_int_02 914.8454 How about the dumber kids, uh, 916.2519 664 DTA_int_02 916.2519 (pause 0.21) 916.4629 665 DTA_int_02 916.4629 did the teachers treat them any differently from the smarter ones? 918.9093 666 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 920.3223 It might have been because I was slow and I felt they did. 923.0930 667 DTA_int_02 923.2214 Mm-hm. 923.4967 668 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 924.0656 [They wanted to] treat you s- 925.1968 669 DTA_int_02 924.0656 [What would they do?] 924.5937 670 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 926.3132 uh, as I said 927.4754 671 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 927.4754 (pause 0.35) 927.8237 672 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 927.8237 felt as if they didn't wanna be bothered. 929.7781 673 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 929.7781 (pause 0.14) 929.9188 674 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 929.9188 [It might] have been my imagination. 931.7768 675 DTA_int_02 929.9555 [Mm-hm.] 930.2521 676 DTA_int_02 931.8146 [Mm-hm.] 932.0729 677 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 931.9553 [You] know, I'm not saying this was the case. 933.8420 678 DTA_int_02 933.8940 Mm-hm. 934.1295 679 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 934.6036 But to me, uh, 935.8943 680 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 935.8943 (pause 0.72) 936.6192 681 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 936.6192 I didn't feel warm, I didn't feel like I could come and ask her. There were certain things she felt like you should know. 941.8576 682 DTA_int_02 942.0013 Mm-hm. 942.2888 683 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 942.5182 And if you didn't, 943.4615 684 DTA_int_02 943.7443 Mm-hm. 943.9997 685 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 944.0501 it was like, uh, oh, if you know this, then I don't wanna be so bothered. 947.5854 686 DTA_int_02 947.6313 Mm-hm. 947.8954 687 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 948.2277 And then I would draw back. 949.6923 688 DTA_int_02 950.0593 Mm-hm. 950.2979 689 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 950.4967 As a child, and just wouldn't say anything. 952.4782 690 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 952.4782 (pause 0.44) 952.9156 691 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 952.9156 And I can recall this /RD-NAME-3/, a lot of times I would come to him and asked him to explain different things. 958.8789 692 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 958.8789 (pause 0.38) 959.2612 693 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 959.2612 Cause he was an A student. 960.8359 694 DTA_int_02 961.1662 Mm-hm. 961.3987 695 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 961.5210 And he would 962.1908 696 DTA_int_02 962.3040 [He helped out.] 962.8668 697 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 962.3866 [sometime,] he w- 963.1634 698 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 963.4418 help me out sometime, and I knew that I wouldn't hear anything else about it, asking him. 968.2245 699 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 968.2245 (pause 0.60) 968.8239 700 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 968.8239 And there were tests or something that I really wanted to get a try and felt like I should have 973.2763 701 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 973.2763 (pause 0.82) 974.0991 702 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 974.0991 known the answers, and I didn't. 975.6589 703 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 975.6589 (pause 0.27) 975.9307 704 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 975.9307 And I would maybe come to him, and he'd help. 978.1879 705 DTA_int_02 984.4265 What 984.7074 706 DTA_int_02 984.7074 (pause 0.14) 984.8481 707 DTA_int_02 984.8481 time would you say it was the, um, 986.5395 708 DTA_int_02 986.5395 (pause 0.35) 986.8912 709 DTA_int_02 986.8912 the- 987.1279 710 DTA_int_02 987.1279 (pause 0.21) 987.3334 711 DTA_int_02 987.3334 the long hand 988.3297 712 DTA_int_02 988.3297 (pause 0.41) 988.7351 713 DTA_int_02 988.7351 was 989.2634 714 DTA_int_02 989.2634 (pause 0.34) 989.6037 715 DTA_int_02 989.6037 in the nine over here. 990.5335 716 DTA_int_02 990.5335 (pause 4.33) 994.8636 717 DTA_int_02 994.8636 Quarter? 995.3070 718 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 997.3925 It's a /?/. 997.8905 719 DTA_int_02 998.0532 If the- 998.5451 720 DTA_int_02 998.5451 (pause 0.34) 998.8882 721 DTA_int_02 998.8882 if the s- the long one, 1000.1410 722 DTA_int_02 1000.1410 (pause 0.21) 1000.3528 723 DTA_int_02 1000.3528 the minute hand were 1001.1572 724 DTA_int_02 1001.1572 (pause 0.32) 1001.4783 725 DTA_int_02 1001.4783 over here at, uh- 1002.3775 726 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1003.1570 Nine. 1003.7782 727 DTA_int_02 1004.5120 at /the/ 1004.9249 728 DTA_int_02 1004.9249 (pause 0.27) 1005.1909 729 DTA_int_02 1005.1909 nine, and- 1006.0592 730 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1006.7198 Where would the small one be? 1007.8423 731 DTA_int_02 1008.1053 the small one. Well 1009.0664 732 DTA_int_02 1009.0664 (pause 0.42) 1009.4873 733 DTA_int_02 1009.4873 almost on the three. 1010.5497 734 DTA_int_02 1010.5497 (pause 0.53) 1011.0778 735 DTA_int_02 1011.0778 Say it was? 1011.6883 736 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1011.7380 Quarter to three. 1012.6647 737 DTA_int_02 1012.8268 Okay. 1013.1358 738 DTA_int_02 1013.1358 (pause 0.25) 1013.3835 739 DTA_int_02 1013.3835 Fine, that's what I wanted 1014.2276 740 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1014.6830 [Mm-hm.] 1015.0777 741 DTA_int_02 1014.7751 [to know if-] 1015.3057 742 DTA_int_02 1015.4900 uh. 1015.7443 743 DTA_int_02 1015.7443 (pause 3.94) 1019.6832 744 DTA_int_02 1019.6832 Was there a bunch of kids that you- you always used to hang around with? 1022.2932 745 DTA_int_02 1022.2932 (pause 0.16) 1022.4557 746 DTA_int_02 1022.4557 When we were in- uh, 1023.4876 747 DTA_int_02 1023.4876 (pause 1.20) 1024.6831 748 DTA_int_02 1024.6831 in school? 1025.1518 749 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1026.8787 Three or four. 1027.7993 750 DTA_int_02 1028.8606 Were- 1029.3286 751 DTA_int_02 1029.3286 (pause 0.17) 1029.5029 752 DTA_int_02 1029.5029 were they, uh, 1030.3895 753 DTA_int_02 1030.3895 (pause 0.64) 1031.0318 754 DTA_int_02 1031.0318 all about your age? 1031.8932 755 DTA_int_02 1031.8932 (pause 0.82) 1032.7166 756 DTA_int_02 1032.7166 All about the same age? 1033.5046 757 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1034.0042 Some older. 1034.7872 758 DTA_int_02 1035.0808 Mm-hm. 1035.3592 759 DTA_int_02 1035.3592 (pause 2.15) 1037.5089 760 DTA_int_02 1037.5089 Do you still have anything to do with any of 1038.9001 761 DTA_int_02 1038.9001 (pause 0.73) 1039.6311 762 DTA_int_02 1039.6311 these? 1039.9002 763 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1040.0990 No. 1040.6505 764 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1040.6505 (pause 1.13) 1041.7839 765 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1041.7839 Oh. 1042.0074 766 DTA_int_02 1043.4171 Did any of the kids speak any other language besides, uh, 1046.3762 767 DTA_int_02 1046.3762 (pause 0.64) 1047.0166 768 DTA_int_02 1047.0166 English? Would they speak s- Polish or Spanish or anything like that? 1049.6724 769 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1050.7992 Oh yes, you would have friends that would speak, uh, 1053.2671 770 DTA_int_02 1053.2919 In their [home, I mean.] 1054.1448 771 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1053.4903 [Polish.] 1054.1234 772 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1054.2763 Yeah, at home and sometime at school. You'd ask, how would you say this, and they would say. 1058.5395 773 DTA_int_02 1058.8300 In Polish? 1059.3880 774 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1059.4478 Yeah, in Polish or 1060.7289 775 DTA_int_02 1061.3804 What else [did they-] 1061.9554 776 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1061.6801 [Jewish or-] um, 1063.2641 777 DTA_int_02 1062.2744 [Jewish.] 1062.7533 778 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1063.4047 cause in Highland Park it was mixed. 1065.1573 779 DTA_int_02 1065.2460 Mm-hm. 1065.5174 780 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1066.0163 You see, so, uh, 1066.9675 781 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1066.9675 (pause 0.73) 1067.6985 782 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1067.6985 it wasn't- wasn't anything unusual for, uh, 1070.2759 783 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1070.2759 (pause 0.27) 1070.5456 784 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1070.5456 half of the group to be, 1071.7166 785 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1071.7166 (pause 0.21) 1071.9276 786 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1071.9276 you know, colored or white or [whatever. If] you were just 1074.1328 787 DTA_int_02 1073.3774 [Mm-hm.] 1073.6587 788 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1074.3024 friends, you were friends. And so [a lot of times-] 1076.3770 789 DTA_int_02 1075.6800 [Just didn't make any] difference [then.] 1076.8360 790 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1076.7291 [no.] I was never raised where it made any [difference.] 1079.2428 791 DTA_int_02 1078.7473 [Yeah.] 1079.0226 792 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1079.3773 And 1079.6985 793 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1079.6985 (pause 0.42) 1080.1175 794 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1080.1175 if something, uh, 1081.4659 795 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1081.4659 (pause 1.44) 1082.9034 796 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1082.9034 you'd want to know how would you say this 1084.9021 797 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1084.9021 (pause 0.50) 1085.4049 798 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1085.4049 in, uh, 1086.0594 799 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1086.0594 (pause 0.39) 1086.4539 800 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1086.4539 [you know.] 1086.9062 801 DTA_int_02 1086.4566 [Hm.] 1086.6932 802 DTA_int_02 1087.0744 In Polish. 1087.5363 803 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1087.5730 Polish or whatever. 1088.5731 804 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1088.5731 (pause 0.24) 1088.8147 805 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1088.8147 They would tell [us.] 1089.7167 806 DTA_int_02 1089.6126 [Mm-hm.] 1089.8767 807 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1090.5301 They try and, uh, teach it to you. And never- we never said it right, but [you would try. ] 1095.3224 808 DTA_int_02 1093.8972 [Yeah.] 1094.1149 809 DTA_int_02 1094.1149 (pause 0.14) 1094.2519 810 DTA_int_02 1094.2519 [/inaudible/.] 1094.9279 811 DTA_int_02 1094.9279 (pause 0.29) 1095.2179 812 DTA_int_02 1095.2179 [Yeah.] 1095.4570 813 DTA_int_02 1096.5668 Um, 1096.8972 814 DTA_int_02 1096.8972 (pause 0.56) 1097.4538 815 DTA_int_02 1097.4538 how about now? Do you- do you have 1099.1947 816 DTA_int_02 1099.1947 (pause 0.16) 1099.3589 817 DTA_int_02 1099.3589 white friends and, uh, has this continued, or- 1101.7655 818 DTA_int_02 1101.7655 (pause 0.20) 1101.9612 819 DTA_int_02 1101.9612 or? 1102.4256 820 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1102.8574 Mm, yes. 1103.6373 821 DTA_int_02 1104.1267 [Yeah.] 1104.4505 822 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1104.2884 [Yeah s-] 1105.1968 823 DTA_int_02 1104.6860 [Split up] after school? 1105.7595 824 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1106.4324 no. I- 1107.6099 825 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1107.6099 (pause 1.14) 1108.7534 826 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1108.7534 my closest neighbors is a mixed couple. 1111.2946 827 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1111.2946 (pause 0.26) 1111.5577 828 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1111.5577 [And I feel] more relaxed around them. He's white and she's colored. 1114.8115 829 DTA_int_02 1111.5974 [Mm-hm.] 1111.8849 830 DTA_int_02 1114.9614 Mm-hm. 1115.2152 831 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1115.8086 And, um, 1116.8144 832 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1116.8144 (pause 0.46) 1117.2732 833 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1117.2732 we go for rides and I think 1119.1003 834 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1119.1003 (pause 0.59) 1119.6890 835 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1119.6890 they appreciate it cause I never pay any attention to them. 1122.5090 836 DTA_int_02 1122.5916 [Mm-hm.] 1122.8909 837 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1122.7166 [They're] just 1123.3833 838 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1123.6035 people. 1124.1571 839 DTA_int_02 1124.5180 Do they have trouble because of this? 1126.1417 840 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1126.2365 Yes, they do. 1127.1624 841 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1127.1624 (pause 0.57) 1127.7352 842 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1127.7352 And, uh, 1128.4570 843 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1128.4570 (pause 0.73) 1129.1876 844 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1129.1876 I think they like to talk to me, cause he'll laugh 1131.6939 845 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1131.6939 (pause 0.11) 1131.8083 846 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1131.8083 and [she will] also about how s- still people will turn around and look, you know, and [stare. And this] uh, 1138.1998 847 DTA_int_02 1131.9979 [Mm-hm.] 1132.1982 848 DTA_int_02 1132.1982 (pause 4.29) 1136.4844 849 DTA_int_02 1136.4844 [Yeah.] 1136.8341 850 DTA_int_02 1136.8341 (pause 0.27) 1137.1022 851 DTA_int_02 1137.1022 [Uh-huh.] 1137.3469 852 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1139.0531 it 1139.2611 853 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1139.2611 (pause 0.32) 1139.5829 854 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1139.5829 kind of bugs them a little [bit.] 1140.9826 855 DTA_int_02 1140.8817 [I] imagine it would. 1141.7289 856 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1141.7289 Mm-hm. And they've adopted a l- mixed girl. 1144.1906 857 DTA_int_02 1144.1906 Mm-hm. 1144.5085 858 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1145.0317 And even this is a case where it's still, uh, 1147.4904 859 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1147.4904 (pause 0.14) 1147.6310 860 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1147.6310 when she go to the store with him 1149.3530 861 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1149.3530 (pause 0.90) 1150.2579 862 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1150.2579 or- and a lot of times, he'll take me shopping. 1153.0071 863 DTA_int_02 1153.1050 Mm-hm. 1153.3590 864 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1153.3590 And since I don't have a car, well, 1154.6557 865 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1155.2276 I- he's just like a- 1156.6127 866 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1156.6127 (pause 0.34) 1156.9491 867 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1156.9491 anyone else to me. 1158.1573 868 DTA_int_02 1158.3408 Mm-hm. 1158.5701 869 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1158.7288 Where still you see people turn around and look. 1160.5608 870 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1160.5608 (pause 0.40) 1160.9646 871 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1160.9646 And we'll make a joke out of it. 1162.3007 872 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1162.3007 (pause 0.52) 1162.8237 873 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1162.8237 And it doesn't have anything to do but watch other people, huh? 1165.1294 874 DTA_int_02 1165.1600 Yeah. 1165.3130 875 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1165.9858 So, 1166.4060 876 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1166.4060 (pause 0.33) 1166.7321 877 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1166.7321 hm. 1166.9248 878 DTA_int_02 1167.0716 They must be pretty brave people or- 1168.6525 879 DTA_int_02 1168.6525 (pause 0.17) 1168.8268 880 DTA_int_02 1168.8268 or something to- to- uh, 1170.2674 881 DTA_int_02 1170.2674 (pause 0.11) 1170.3805 882 DTA_int_02 1170.3805 to go ahead and do this and not- uh, 1171.8727 883 DTA_int_02 1171.8727 (pause 0.34) 1172.2152 884 DTA_int_02 1172.2152 not be afraid to, huh. 1173.1785 885 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1174.0866 Well I [don't see] why they should be, because- uh, afraid. 1177.3772 886 DTA_int_02 1174.3252 [/inaudible/.] 1174.6567 887 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1177.8696 [it's what they want] 1178.7260 888 DTA_int_02 1177.8696 [Well because of- because of the, uh,] 1179.8052 889 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1179.0670 [to.] 1179.5213 890 DTA_int_02 1179.9692 because of this- the 1181.5150 891 DTA_int_02 1181.5150 (pause 0.32) 1181.8300 892 DTA_int_02 1181.8300 social, this aspect of that, [I mean.] 1183.8801 893 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1183.5301 [This is] true. All the- uh, 1185.4753 894 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1186.3894 their friends are limited. 1187.5272 895 DTA_int_02 1187.7352 Mm-hm. 1187.9523 896 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1187.9523 Uh- uh- I understand- I'll tell you this, because his people, 1190.9401 897 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1191.7838 his mother, still haven't 1193.2764 898 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1193.2764 (pause 0.14) 1193.4201 899 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1193.4201 really accepted her. 1194.6340 900 DTA_int_02 1194.7563 [Mm-hm.] 1194.9582 901 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1194.8506 [And] they've been married seven years. 1196.9231 902 DTA_int_02 1196.9982 That's too bad. 1197.5579 903 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1197.8664 And, uh, 1198.7106 904 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1198.7106 (pause 0.12) 1198.8329 905 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1198.8329 for her- 1199.5788 906 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1199.5788 (pause 0.31) 1199.8881 907 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1199.8881 for his birthday which was two months ago, she brought over a birthday card 1204.4731 908 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1204.4731 (pause 0.95) 1205.4263 909 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1205.4263 in Polish. He wrote- 1206.6768 910 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1206.6768 (pause 0.15) 1206.8297 911 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1206.8297 she wrote what she had to say 1208.7474 912 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1208.7474 (pause 0.92) 1209.6680 913 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1209.6680 to her son, so this meant it was strictly for her son, [you know,] so she couldn't read it. 1214.1785 914 DTA_int_02 1212.7777 [Mm-hm.] 1213.0694 915 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1214.7780 And before that 1215.7165 916 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1215.7165 (pause 0.79) 1216.5056 917 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1216.5056 they would always send any, um, letter or something to him on his job. 1220.6618 918 DTA_int_02 1220.6862 Mm-hm. 1220.9370 919 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1221.6768 But they bought the home across the street 1223.4782 920 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1223.4782 (pause 0.31) 1223.7872 921 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1223.7872 two years ago and adopted the little girl a year ago. 1226.8483 922 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1226.8483 (pause 0.34) 1227.1843 923 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1227.1843 So they're easing up a little [bit now.] They see that isn't just something for overnight. 1231.5515 924 DTA_int_02 1228.5699 [Mm-hm.] 1228.8238 925 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1231.7320 It's really for [keeps, after] seven years. 1233.9245 926 DTA_int_02 1232.4507 [Mm-hm.] 1232.7380 927 DTA_int_02 1233.9245 Mm-hm. 1234.1508 928 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1234.4567 And they're really fond of one another. I enjoy being around them. 1237.8205 929 DTA_int_02 1237.8268 Mm-hm. 1238.0745 930 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1238.4140 Cause they really and truly, 1240.0786 931 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1240.0786 (pause 0.55) 1240.6249 932 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1240.6249 you know, 1241.1020 933 DTA_int_02 1241.1724 Mm-hm. 1241.3773 934 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1241.6250 um, 1242.0594 935 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1242.0594 (pause 1.02) 1243.0835 936 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1243.0835 touch- really care for one another. 1244.8820 937 DTA_int_02 1249.1570 What do you think is gonna happen? 1250.3039 938 DTA_int_02 1250.3039 (pause 0.18) 1250.4844 939 DTA_int_02 1250.4844 I mean, um, 1251.0982 940 DTA_int_02 1251.0982 (pause 2.74) 1253.8391 941 DTA_int_02 1253.8391 we feel that- that- t- 1255.4077 942 DTA_int_02 1255.4077 (pause 0.18) 1255.5882 943 DTA_int_02 1255.5882 I mean, you and I feel that- that- uh, 1257.5330 944 DTA_int_02 1257.5330 (pause 1.37) 1258.9063 945 DTA_int_02 1258.9063 that, uh, we should all be 1260.3438 946 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1260.8358 [Yeah.] 1261.2765 947 DTA_int_02 1260.9429 [/close/ and] friends and [/wanna/-] 1262.0038 948 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1261.8237 [Mm-hm. 1262.1938 949 DTA_int_02 1262.3957 but it's not that way. And- 1263.5233 950 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1263.8450 [No.] 1264.2557 951 DTA_int_02 1264.0744 [and,] uh, 1264.8023 952 DTA_int_02 1265.0133 there's- 1265.2963 953 DTA_int_02 1265.2963 (pause 0.25) 1265.5430 954 DTA_int_02 1265.5430 there's unhappiness on- 1267.3374 955 DTA_int_02 1267.3374 (pause 0.49) 1267.8268 956 DTA_int_02 1267.8268 on every side. I wonder what's gonna happen in this regard. 1269.9000 957 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1271.0959 In their case? 1271.9676 958 DTA_int_02 1272.3652 Y- what's gonna happen in, uh, 1274.0776 959 DTA_int_02 1274.0776 (pause 1.26) 1275.3346 960 DTA_int_02 1275.3346 I mean, uh, 1275.9612 961 DTA_int_02 1275.9612 (pause 1.66) 1277.6189 962 DTA_int_02 1277.6189 is there gonna be 1278.3866 963 DTA_int_02 1278.3866 (pause 0.26) 1278.6492 964 DTA_int_02 1278.6492 fighting and 1279.3496 965 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1280.4018 [Oh, it will take] a little time, but it'll work [out.] 1282.6371 966 DTA_int_02 1280.4018 [/and uh/] 1281.0165 967 DTA_int_02 1281.0165 (pause 1.46) 1282.4811 968 DTA_int_02 1282.4811 [You] think- you think everybody's gonna- 1283.9431 969 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1284.0716 I think it will take- [it will take] a little, but this is a new thing for a lot of people. 1288.4230 970 DTA_int_02 1285.0254 [mm-hm.] 1285.3221 971 DTA_int_02 1288.5882 Mm-hm. 1288.8712 972 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1289.1081 And it will take time, but it'll work out. 1291.6065 973 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1291.6065 (pause 1.40) 1293.0073 974 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1293.0073 I mean, it, uh, it can't stay like this and I don't think it's gonna go back like it was [before.] So only thing- only way it can 1299.5487 975 DTA_int_02 1297.5545 [Mm-hm.] 1297.8042 976 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1300.1233 we just get some kind of understanding. 1302.0930 977 DTA_int_02 1302.2643 Mm-hm. 1302.4936 978 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1303.3955 And, uh, 1303.9827 979 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1303.9827 (pause 0.31) 1304.2947 980 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1304.2947 I can understand both sides. 1306.0346 981 DTA_int_02 1306.0805 Mm-hm. 1306.3282 982 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1306.8726 I really do. It's- uh, 1308.0960 983 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1308.0960 (pause 0.46) 1308.5548 984 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1308.5548 and then you find 1309.5240 985 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1309.5240 (pause 0.28) 1309.8084 986 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1309.8084 Southern or white, 1311.2337 987 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1311.2337 (pause 0.34) 1311.5732 988 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1311.5732 they were taught this. 1312.8940 989 DTA_int_02 1313.0592 Mm-hm. 1313.3283 990 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1314.2031 It's not really their fault. 1315.5397 991 DTA_int_02 1315.6891 They were- it's just the way they grew [up.] 1317.0318 992 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1316.9951 [This] is the way they grew up. Now, our fore-parents were taught 1320.0661 993 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1320.4626 to /jeff/ and, uh, 1321.8573 994 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1321.8573 (pause 0.39) 1322.2427 995 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1322.2427 whatnot 1322.7168 996 DTA_int_02 1322.8728 [Mm-hm.] 1323.1717 997 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1322.9982 [To them,] 1323.4661 998 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1323.8113 this is the way they were taught. 1325.1334 999 DTA_int_02 1325.3283 [Mm-hm.] 1325.5639 1000 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1325.5149 [So] this is- uh, 1326.0838 1001 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1326.7318 most of 'em, it's not really [their fault.] 1328.8024 1002 DTA_int_02 1327.9993 [Mm-hm.] 1328.2489 1003 DTA_int_02 1329.2306 Guess another generation [will have to come and /change/-] 1331.3724 1004 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1330.1722 [It-] 1330.4169 1005 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1330.4169 (pause 0.14) 1330.5576 1006 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1330.5576 [this is right, this is] what will happen, 1332.2398 1007 DTA_int_02 1332.2581 yeah. 1332.4569 1008 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1332.8411 is you will find 1333.7839 1009 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1333.7839 (pause 0.41) 1334.1907 1010 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1334.1907 a little girl and a little boy, they don't care what color they are. If there's a game to be played and you can play, they'll play. 1339.4658 1011 DTA_int_02 1339.5790 Mm-hm. 1339.8696 1012 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1340.7321 See, and- and when they're a certain age, when they get a little older, and perhaps their parents 1345.2364 1013 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1345.2364 (pause 0.24) 1345.4720 1014 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1345.4720 tell them different things, they may try and change. But now 1348.0438 1015 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1348.0438 (pause 0.48) 1348.5209 1016 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1348.5209 children are more forward and they think for the- they'll try it for theyself. 1352.2549 1017 DTA_int_02 1352.3161 Mm-hm. 1352.5608 1018 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1352.8789 And when they find out it's not so much different in either one, everybody's trying to make it, 1357.0315 1019 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1357.0315 (pause 0.45) 1357.4781 1020 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1357.4781 you know, this is where I think this barrier will 1360.0621 1021 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1360.0621 (pause 1.09) 1361.1540 1022 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1361.1540 disappear. 1361.9217 1023 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1361.9217 (pause 0.31) 1362.2337 1024 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1362.2337 And it'll take a little time. 1363.2989 1025 DTA_int_02 1363.4903 Isn't that funny the way kids can get along 1365.1687 1026 DTA_int_02 1365.1687 (pause 0.40) 1365.5697 1027 DTA_int_02 1365.5697 [that they grow up and] 1366.5943 1028 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1365.6431 [This is true.] 1366.3160 1029 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1366.8910 [This is right,] uh- uh-huh. And this is something that, 1369.0593 1030 DTA_int_02 1366.9551 [/inaudible/?] 1367.4427 1031 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1369.9674 uh, that our parents and everyone have to put in them, [because as] children 1374.2459 1032 DTA_int_02 1373.3039 [Mm-hm.] 1373.5822 1033 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1374.5120 they do not care. They can be from a child in a clinic, 1377.7838 1034 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1377.7838 (pause 0.45) 1378.2364 1035 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1378.2364 like if 1378.8206 1036 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1378.8206 (pause 0.85) 1379.6709 1037 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1379.6709 two women are in the clinic and they're 1381.7594 1038 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1381.7594 (pause 0.22) 1381.9797 1039 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1381.9797 taking their children. They're sitting there, 1383.7746 1040 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1383.7746 (pause 0.30) 1384.0743 1041 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1384.0743 if one have something to play with 1385.7836 1042 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1385.7836 (pause 0.18) 1385.9676 1043 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1385.9676 they will reach over and get it, and then have a little game out of nothing but books and paper, they'll play. 1390.5790 1044 DTA_int_02 1390.6952 [Mm-hm.] 1390.9260 1045 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1390.8084 [And] have fun. When they get older, 1392.4141 1046 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1393.0682 at, uh, kindergarten stage they'll play. 1395.6527 1047 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1395.6527 (pause 1.11) 1396.7625 1048 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1396.7625 You know, they don't [care.] 1398.1198 1049 DTA_int_02 1397.9645 [Mm-hm.] 1398.2856 1050 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1398.6741 When they get older, 1399.9093 1051 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1399.9093 (pause 0.25) 1400.1632 1052 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1400.1632 this is when they 1401.0960 1053 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1401.0960 (pause 0.38) 1401.4749 1054 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1401.4749 s- 1401.6492 1055 DTA_int_02 1401.7838 Cruelty starts [/in/.] 1402.6891 1056 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1402.4842 [this is] right. And they don't get it by theirself, they're [marking] either their parents or what they hear their parents say this isn't right, and then they try and do it. 1409.7963 1057 DTA_int_02 1404.6872 [Mm-hm.] 1404.9765 1058 DTA_int_02 1410.0654 Mm-hm. 1410.3063 1059 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1410.3071 So, uh, 1410.8205 1060 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1410.8205 (pause 0.21) 1411.0315 1061 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1411.0315 but this can't keep going on. [Cause children] nowadays are so different. 1413.9856 1062 DTA_int_02 1412.4667 [Mm-hm.] 1412.7541 1063 DTA_int_02 1414.0009 Mm-hm. 1414.2364 1064 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1414.7216 See they'll find out for theyself. 1416.3703 1065 DTA_int_02 1416.3703 Mm-hm. 1416.5967 1066 DTA_int_02 1416.5967 (pause 0.19) 1416.7838 1067 DTA_int_02 1416.7838 They're thinking. 1417.2945 1068 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1417.4903 They're thinking. This is true before when we were small, if your parents said this, this the way it was. But it's not done that way any longer. 1423.4927 1069 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1423.4927 (pause 0.49) 1423.9858 1070 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1423.9858 See, so I think it'll take a little time but they will work out. It'll work out. 1426.9552 1071 DTA_int_02 1428.3223 So I'm excited to see what's coming. 1429.5239 1072 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1430.0745 Oh, yes. 1430.6800 1073 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1430.6800 (pause 0.68) 1431.3560 1074 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1431.3560 Did you see /RD-NAME-2/? 1432.3159 1075 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1432.3159 (pause 1.63) 1433.9464 1076 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1433.9464 Yes, she came down. 1435.0291 1077 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1435.0291 (pause 0.25) 1435.2769 1078 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1435.2769 What've you got good? 1436.0446 1079 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1436.0446 (pause 1.52) 1437.5612 1080 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1437.5612 what've you got good? 1438.3637 1081 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1438.3637 (pause 2.61) 1440.9741 1082 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1440.9741 Oh, you did. 1441.8764 1083 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1441.8764 (pause 0.50) 1442.3810 1084 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1442.3810 Alright. 1442.7389 1085 DTA_int_02 1447.0047 Do you remember what you wanted to be when you were in school? 1448.8975 1086 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1449.0198 A nurse. 1449.5643 1087 DTA_int_02 1450.6684 Uh-huh. 1450.9926 1088 DTA_int_02 1450.9926 (pause 1.31) 1452.3073 1089 DTA_int_02 1452.3073 How long- 1452.8823 1090 DTA_int_02 1452.8823 (pause 0.70) 1453.5858 1091 DTA_int_02 1453.5858 how long would it take to become a nurse? 1455.2400 1092 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1456.1698 Mm, 1456.6531 1093 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1456.6531 (pause 0.20) 1456.8549 1094 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1456.8549 about six, seven years I imagine. 1459.0347 1095 DTA_int_02 1460.5278 Did you, uh, 1461.1513 1096 DTA_int_02 1461.1513 (pause 0.20) 1461.3471 1097 DTA_int_02 1461.3471 do it? 1461.6744 1098 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1462.4910 No. 1463.1730 1099 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1463.1730 (pause 0.89) 1464.0657 1100 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1464.0657 I had to get married 1465.1362 1101 DTA_int_02 1465.3350 Mm-hm. 1465.6256 1102 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1466.5890 at fifteen. I was married twice at seventeen. I had six children at twenty-five. I had two marriages and no husband, so my plans were all turned around. 1476.4052 1103 DTA_int_02 1476.4603 Goodness, what a life. How, uh- [how did this] all come about? I mean, if you can 1479.7523 1104 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1477.7479 [Yeah.] 1478.1731 1105 DTA_int_02 1480.1087 express it. I mean, uh. 1481.2525 1106 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1482.0107 1482.1177 1107 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1482.1177 (pause 0.19) 1482.3043 1108 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1482.3043 Well my mother was very religious, remember my telling [you that.] 1485.2584 1109 DTA_int_02 1484.9128 [Yeah.] 1485.1218 1110 DTA_int_02 1485.3746 Right. 1485.5880 1111 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1486.0658 So, uh, 1486.9528 1112 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1486.9528 (pause 0.29) 1487.2434 1113 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1487.2434 during the war she worked in the factory. 1489.6990 1114 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1489.6990 (pause 0.64) 1490.3382 1115 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1490.3382 And I started going with my first husband, not for love. He had a car, he was a graduate of school and he would pick me up from 1497.2767 1116 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1497.2767 (pause 0.43) 1497.7111 1117 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1497.7111 /RD-SCHOOL-4/, and I felt like a- 1499.9403 1118 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1499.9403 (pause 0.50) 1500.4358 1119 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1500.4358 give me a nice feeling of picking me up. 1501.9742 1120 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1501.9742 (pause 0.72) 1502.6991 1121 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1502.6991 And, uh, 1503.5582 1122 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1503.5582 (pause 1.22) 1504.7785 1123 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1504.7785 going out two or three times he ended up him and me up in the corner, and taking what he wanted to. And naturally, here I was pregnant and I had to get married to keep me from going to the detention home. 1514.2709 1124 DTA_int_02 1514.3657 Mm-hm. 1514.6023 1125 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1514.8551 And him getting in trouble. 1516.0132 1126 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1516.0132 (pause 0.45) 1516.4634 1127 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1516.4634 So after the first child- 1518.0382 1128 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1518.0382 (pause 0.68) 1518.7172 1129 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1518.7172 let me tell you s- how foolish I was, I didn't move from home. I stayed home with my mother. 1523.1424 1130 DTA_int_02 1523.2311 Mm-hm. 1523.5003 1131 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1523.7786 And he went home. 1524.7783 1132 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1524.7783 (pause 0.53) 1525.3125 1133 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1525.3125 He lived on the the East Side 1526.7908 1134 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1526.7908 (pause 0.54) 1527.3348 1135 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1527.3348 an all colored neighborhood. 1528.8213 1136 DTA_int_02 1528.9436 Mm-hm. 1529.2128 1137 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1529.3718 And as I said before, 1530.6438 1138 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1530.6438 (pause 0.25) 1530.8915 1139 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1530.8915 I've never lived around 1531.9467 1140 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1531.9467 (pause 0.10) 1532.0507 1141 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1532.0507 all completely colored. 1533.4511 1142 DTA_int_02 1533.5122 Mm-hm. 1533.7783 1143 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1534.0689 And even 1534.7051 1144 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1534.7051 (pause 0.51) 1535.2158 1145 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1535.2158 in our race, 1536.1605 1146 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1536.1605 (pause 0.84) 1537.0016 1147 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1537.0016 I'm a little afraid around just 1538.6868 1148 DTA_int_02 1539.7019 Anybody. 1540.1423 1149 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1540.4787 uh-huh. Blocks and blocks and blocks of 'em. 1543.0047 1150 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1543.0047 (pause 0.46) 1543.4634 1151 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1543.4634 Uh, 1543.8001 1152 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1543.8001 (pause 0.67) 1544.4727 1153 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1544.4727 as a child, I was raised in Port Huron and [Marine] City. Do you know where [these at?] 1548.1216 1154 DTA_int_02 1546.7479 [Mm-hm.] 1547.0690 1155 DTA_int_02 1547.0690 (pause 0.75) 1547.8149 1156 DTA_int_02 1547.8149 [Mm-hm.] 1548.0779 1157 DTA_int_02 1548.1941 Yeah, over in 1548.8765 1158 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1549.0444 [My stepfather,] uh, was a immigrant patrol. 1551.8686 1159 DTA_int_02 1549.1943 [by the Lake /?/.] 1550.0016 1160 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1552.3686 And, uh, 1553.0079 1161 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1553.0079 (pause 0.24) 1553.2464 1162 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1553.2464 he worked there and there was only two colored families there in Marine City. [I don't] think they even live there now. 1558.1423 1163 DTA_int_02 1556.6681 [Mm-hm.] 1556.9032 1164 DTA_int_02 1558.3442 Mm-hm. 1558.5980 1165 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1558.8641 So as a child, being raised around you really get used to them. 1562.0323 1166 DTA_int_02 1562.1608 [Mm-hm.] 1562.4496 1167 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1562.3045 [You know.] 1562.7113 1168 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1563.1513 So then after 1564.2876 1169 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1564.2876 (pause 0.16) 1564.4512 1170 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1564.4512 mother and daddy separated, 1566.0657 1171 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1566.0657 (pause 0.64) 1566.7019 1172 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1566.7019 we moved to Highland Park. 1568.0323 1173 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1568.0323 (pause 0.57) 1568.6043 1174 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1568.6043 And then, uh, 1569.6499 1175 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1569.6499 (pause 0.34) 1569.9863 1176 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1569.9863 in the ever- every area we have ever lived, it's always been mixed. [So I've] never really 1574.0231 1177 DTA_int_02 1573.0291 [Mm-hm.] 1573.2983 1178 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1574.9800 come in contact with so many of them. 1576.8971 1179 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1576.8971 (pause 0.76) 1577.6592 1180 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1577.6592 He lived on the East Side and in a neighborhood that I really would've been afraid to even live /over/. 1582.2340 1181 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1582.2340 (pause 0.23) 1582.4604 1182 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1582.4604 So I wouldn't move with him, and he wouldn't move with me. 1585.2065 1183 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1585.2065 (pause 0.69) 1585.8916 1184 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1585.8916 But I messed around and had two children by him then finally divorced. 1589.2311 1185 DTA_int_02 1589.4116 [Mm-hm.] 1589.6481 1186 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1589.5089 [Still] staying at home with my mother. 1590.9985 1187 DTA_int_02 1591.1667 [Mm-hm.] 1591.3686 1188 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1591.1698 [And] 1591.4604 1189 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1592.6226 that 1592.9342 1190 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1592.9342 (pause 0.72) 1593.6529 1191 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1593.6529 second marriage was for convenience to feed the other children. 1596.6682 1192 DTA_int_02 1596.7661 Mm-hm. 1597.0070 1193 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1597.5735 And it didn't last, but naturally you be pregnant before you /get/ [/her home/] so this is what happened. 1602.3899 1194 DTA_int_02 1600.9620 [Mm-hm.] 1601.2556 1195 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1603.9925 So it's been 1604.7358 1196 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1604.7358 (pause 0.61) 1605.3501 1197 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1605.3501 three marriages. 1606.2659 1198 DTA_int_02 1607.6772 If you could do it all over again, what would you- 1609.3044 1199 DTA_int_02 1609.3044 (pause 0.28) 1609.5888 1200 DTA_int_02 1609.5888 what would you wanna do or wouldn't [do?] 1611.0835 1201 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1610.9800 [I would] 1611.3012 1202 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1611.4816 go back to jumping rope. 1612.8519 1203 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1612.8519 (pause 0.16) 1613.0140 1204 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1613.0140 [ And stay in school. That's right.] I would really, 1616.5828 1205 DTA_int_02 1613.7598 [And start from there.] 1614.7171 1206 DTA_int_02 1614.7171 (pause 0.70) 1615.4206 1207 DTA_int_02 1615.4206 [Mm-hm.] 1615.7021 1208 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1617.4358 really would- uh, it would really be different [if I] had my way. All together different. 1622.6012 1209 DTA_int_02 1620.1788 [Mm-hm.] 1620.4488 1210 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1625.0659 That's wishful thinking though. 1626.5125 1211 DTA_int_02 1628.0384 What would you do if you had all the money you could ever 1629.8242 1212 DTA_int_02 1629.8242 (pause 0.14) 1629.9618 1213 DTA_int_02 1629.9618 want? 1630.3564 1214 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1632.4602 Mm, I would buy a nice home. 1634.2892 1215 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1634.2892 (pause 2.38) 1636.6653 1216 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1636.6653 And just live comfortable. 1638.2002 1217 DTA_int_02 1638.4113 Mm-hm. 1638.6623 1218 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1639.7509 And perhaps would've had about twelve children. I love children. 1643.1889 1219 DTA_int_02 1643.4238 Mm-hm. 1643.7169 1220 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1644.0198 If I could really take care of them the way they should, it wouldn't matter. 1646.7969 1221 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1646.7969 (pause 0.88) 1647.6774 1222 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1647.6774 You know. 1648.1270 1223 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1648.1270 (pause 0.61) 1648.7356 1224 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1648.7356 And just stay at home and just 1650.1635 1225 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1650.1635 (pause 1.51) 1651.6775 1226 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1651.6775 nothing elaborate, just live comfortable. 1653.8731 1227 DTA_int_02 1653.9465 Mm-hm. 1654.1851 1228 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1654.9008 So I think that's- (whispering) 1655.8557 1229 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1655.8557 (pause 1.42) 1657.2768 1230 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1657.2768 I wouldn't break any records or anything. Nothing sensational. 1660.4695 1231 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1660.4695 (pause 0.14) 1660.6133 1232 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1660.6133 [Just-] 1661.0690 1233 DTA_int_02 1661.0231 [Just] live. 1661.5035 1234 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1661.7143 just live. [Mm-hm.] 1663.0658 1235 DTA_int_02 1662.4755 [Yeah.] 1662.6529 1236 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1663.3900 And spend my time teaching them the things that I felt, 1666.0933 1237 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1666.0933 (pause 0.65) 1666.7448 1238 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1666.7448 you know, and then perhaps you- with all the money, 1669.2034 1239 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1669.2034 (pause 0.42) 1669.6194 1240 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1669.6194 you would have help. So you wouldn't have to be nervous and you wouldn't holler, and you [could really] understand them. 1674.4419 1241 DTA_int_02 1673.0568 [Mm-hm.] 1673.3320 1242 DTA_int_02 1674.5673 Mm-hm. 1674.8333 1243 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1674.9312 Cause children are r- really interesting. 1676.6445 1244 DTA_int_02 1676.7908 Mm-hm. 1677.0595 1245 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1677.4082 They really- but, 1678.1208 1246 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1678.1208 (pause 0.16) 1678.2829 1247 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1678.2829 we don't have the time, a lot of time to sit down and really- 1681.2340 1248 DTA_int_02 1681.7173 Enjoy it. 1682.1302 1249 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1682.4360 that's just true, huh? 1683.1972 1250 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1683.1972 (pause 0.37) 1683.5637 1251 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1683.5637 Until it's too late. 1684.6928 1252 DTA_int_02 1688.0506 Do you work? 1688.5920 1253 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1689.8089 Um, part-time. I used to domestic work and I stopped, the last three weeks. 1694.4299 1254 DTA_int_02 1696.2157 Uh, was that, uh- 1697.2036 1255 DTA_int_02 1697.2036 (pause 0.20) 1697.4085 1256 DTA_int_02 1697.4085 was that hard work, or [is?] 1698.6162 1257 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1698.4266 [Yes,] and it's something I've never been used to. 1700.4627 1258 DTA_int_02 1700.5981 Uh-huh. 1700.8376 1259 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1701.0565 But not having too much of an education, 1703.1546 1260 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1703.1546 (pause 0.69) 1703.8487 1261 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1703.8487 the field is limited 1705.0230 1262 DTA_int_02 1705.1575 Mm-hm. 1705.3900 1263 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1705.4909 for me. 1705.9283 1264 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1705.9283 (pause 1.16) 1707.0871 1265 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1707.0871 And, um, 1707.8333 1266 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1707.8333 (pause 1.23) 1709.0629 1267 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1709.0629 I think they would- knew that I wasn't used to working, cause every job I'd have and I'd come home and tell my mother all the things I did, she'd say, you did what. [] 1717.0801 1268 DTA_int_02 1716.7446 [] 1717.5573 1269 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1717.5980 And here- (laughing) 1718.6436 1270 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1718.6436 (pause 0.62) 1719.2644 1271 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1719.2644 they would have me scrubbing on my knees from end to the other, and walls, and [ironing,] and [every litt- well they-] 1725.7355 1272 DTA_int_02 1724.1239 [Oh, really?] 1724.6894 1273 DTA_int_02 1724.6894 (pause 0.45) 1725.1390 1274 DTA_int_02 1725.1390 [They really took advantage] of you. 1726.2095 1275 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1726.3013 Oh, they can [tell.] 1727.5308 1276 DTA_int_02 1727.3534 [Uh-huh.] 1727.7384 1277 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1728.6529 Who is it? 1728.9985 1278 DTA_int_02 1734.9037 Uh, 1735.3349 1279 DTA_int_02 1735.3349 (pause 0.24) 1735.5766 1280 DTA_int_02 1735.5766 is there any special 1736.4307 1281 DTA_int_02 1736.4307 (pause 0.43) 1736.8577 1282 DTA_int_02 1736.8577 word for this part of town? Any special name for this part of town? 1739.3014 1283 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1740.3776 Uh, some call it Krainz Woods. 1742.5273 1284 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1742.5273 (pause 0.15) 1742.6803 1285 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1742.6803 Some say on the other side of Conant Gardens. 1744.7968 1286 DTA_int_02 1745.4543 What- uh, 1746.1819 1287 DTA_int_02 1746.1819 (pause 0.32) 1746.5061 1288 DTA_int_02 1746.5061 what are the boundaries of it? 1747.4305 1289 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1748.4972 Uh, 1749.1207 1290 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1749.1207 (pause 0.62) 1749.7446 1291 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1749.7446 Conant Gardens I think is at Six Mile, isn't [it?] 1752.0246 1292 DTA_int_02 1751.9066 [Mm-hm.] 1752.1939 1293 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1752.3929 And this is Seven. 1753.2982 1294 DTA_int_02 1753.5643 Mm-hm. 1753.7834 1295 DTA_int_02 1753.7834 (pause 4.49) 1758.2767 1296 DTA_int_02 1758.2767 Is this city all surrounded by, uh, 1760.2344 1297 DTA_int_02 1760.2344 (pause 0.72) 1760.9525 1298 DTA_int_02 1760.9525 uh, 1761.8261 1299 DTA_int_02 1761.8261 (pause 1.01) 1762.8335 1300 DTA_int_02 1762.8335 Detroit? 1763.2543 1301 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1765.7509 No, well y- but you mean there's Highland Park or l- you mean? 1769.0061 1302 DTA_int_02 1770.3440 Where am I? 1771.0057 1303 DTA_int_02 1771.0057 (pause 0.62) 1771.6255 1304 DTA_int_02 1771.6255 We are in Detroit. 1772.3476 1305 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1772.5063 We're in Detroit, [yes.] 1774.1785 1306 DTA_int_02 1773.6175 [ I was thinking I was in Highland Park.] 1775.8030 1307 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1774.5765 [We're in Detroit.] 1775.5859 1308 DTA_int_02 1776.1727 [Outside.] 1776.6937 1309 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1776.3103 [No.] 1776.7446 1310 DTA_int_02 1776.9868 [Oh okay.] 1777.4440 1311 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1776.9899 [We're in Detroit.] 1777.7295 1312 DTA_int_02 1779.1023 Um, 1779.4245 1313 DTA_int_02 1779.4245 (pause 0.60) 1780.0260 1314 DTA_int_02 1780.0260 can you name some of the streets around where you've lived and 1782.2920 1315 DTA_int_02 1782.2920 (pause 0.56) 1782.8547 1316 DTA_int_02 1782.8547 around this area? 1783.4297 1317 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1785.0901 In this area? 1785.9373 1318 DTA_int_02 1786.0780 Mm-hm. 1786.3668 1319 DTA_int_02 1786.3668 (pause 0.93) 1787.3014 1320 DTA_int_02 1787.3014 Just n- some- some of the streets. 1788.8639 1321 DTA_int_02 1788.8639 (pause 0.65) 1789.5123 1322 DTA_int_02 1789.5123 [Some more] streets. 1790.2892 1323 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1789.5521 [Hm.] 1789.7325 1324 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1790.8148 Justine, Sunset, 1792.6530 1325 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1792.6530 (pause 2.63) 1795.2799 1326 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1795.2799 uh, 1795.9590 1327 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1795.9590 (pause 0.64) 1796.6011 1328 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1796.6011 there's Ryan. 1797.5183 1329 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1797.5183 (pause 2.87) 1800.3929 1330 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1800.3929 Eureka, 1801.2646 1331 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1801.2646 (pause 2.21) 1803.4724 1332 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1803.4724 That's down. 1804.3930 1333 DTA_int_02 1807.8610 How about some of the bigger streets in 1809.0962 1334 DTA_int_02 1809.0962 (pause 0.25) 1809.3501 1335 DTA_int_02 1809.3501 Detroit? Can you name some of them? 1810.5154 1336 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1812.0993 Like Woodward, Linwood. 1813.4707 1337 DTA_int_02 1816.4848 What's this 1816.9753 1338 DTA_int_02 1816.9753 (pause 0.12) 1817.0904 1339 DTA_int_02 1817.0904 one that goes up 1817.8515 1340 DTA_int_02 1817.8515 (pause 0.21) 1818.0649 1341 DTA_int_02 1818.0649 from, uh, 1818.8863 1342 DTA_int_02 1818.8863 (pause 0.88) 1819.7662 1343 DTA_int_02 1819.7662 Jefferson, and goes up towards East Detroit? 1821.7268 1344 DTA_int_02 1821.7268 (pause 1.17) 1822.8977 1345 DTA_int_02 1822.8977 And the name? /unintelligible/? 1824.7492 1346 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1825.8182 I'm not too familiar with that [t-] 1827.5574 1347 DTA_int_02 1827.5091 [Gratiot?] 1827.8914 1348 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1828.7019 Gratiot. 1829.2316 1349 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1829.2316 (pause 0.34) 1829.5675 1350 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1829.5675 Yes, Gratiot. 1830.4999 1351 DTA_int_02 1831.2493 And, uh, 1831.8304 1352 DTA_int_02 1831.8304 (pause 0.77) 1832.6011 1353 DTA_int_02 1832.6011 what's the one by the University of Detroit that goes north and south? 1835.4263 1354 DTA_int_02 1835.4263 (pause 1.76) 1837.1912 1355 DTA_int_02 1837.1912 Liver- 1837.5551 1356 DTA_int_02 1837.5551 (pause 0.55) 1838.1022 1357 DTA_int_02 1838.1022 uh? 1838.3910 1358 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1838.5614 Livernois? 1839.3317 1359 DTA_int_02 1839.5183 Yeah. 1839.6804 1360 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1840.2217 Livernois. 1840.8806 1361 DTA_int_02 1841.1845 And, uh, 1841.9219 1362 DTA_int_02 1841.9219 (pause 1.42) 1843.3410 1363 DTA_int_02 1843.3410 what do they call these big, high-speed roads that 1845.3195 1364 DTA_int_02 1845.3195 (pause 0.30) 1845.6161 1365 DTA_int_02 1845.6161 go through 1846.1269 1366 DTA_int_02 1846.1269 (pause 0.15) 1846.2768 1367 DTA_int_02 1846.2768 town, uh? 1846.9374 1368 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1850.2983 [The expressway?] 1851.2094 1369 DTA_int_02 1850.2983 [You know, the.] 1850.7526 1370 DTA_int_02 1851.2247 Yeah, right. 1851.7966 1371 DTA_int_02 1851.7966 (pause 0.40) 1852.2003 1372 DTA_int_02 1852.2003 [What would y- what are] the names of some of these? 1853.7112 1373 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1852.2064 [Expressway.] 1852.8181 1374 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1854.4846 John C. Lodge, 1855.7845 1375 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1855.7845 (pause 0.17) 1855.9588 1376 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1855.9588 uh, 1856.5334 1377 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1856.5334 (pause 4.49) 1861.0229 1378 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1861.0229 the Chrysler. 1862.0812 1379 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1862.0812 (pause 2.74) 1864.8197 1380 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1864.8197 Uh. 1865.8209 1381 DTA_int_02 1868.7567 Okay. 1869.3140 1382 DTA_int_02 1869.3140 (pause 0.28) 1869.5947 1383 DTA_int_02 1869.5947 Um, 1869.9082 1384 DTA_int_02 1869.9082 (pause 0.68) 1870.5888 1385 DTA_int_02 1870.5888 where did you say you were born? 1871.6011 1386 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1872.0870 In Detroit. 1872.8029 1387 DTA_int_02 1874.1179 How long, 1874.8423 1388 DTA_int_02 1874.8423 (pause 0.17) 1875.0167 1389 DTA_int_02 1875.0167 um, 1875.4265 1390 DTA_int_02 1875.4265 (pause 2.36) 1877.7908 1391 DTA_int_02 1877.7908 or where- where else in Detroit, here, have you lived? 1879.9099 1392 DTA_int_02 1879.9099 (pause 0.33) 1880.2402 1393 DTA_int_02 1880.2402 Besides here? 1880.8852 1394 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1881.1512 Oh, on Kendall in Highland Park, 1883.5473 1395 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1883.5473 (pause 0.70) 1884.2430 1396 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1884.2430 on Linwood, 1885.4083 1397 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1885.4083 (pause 2.73) 1888.1422 1398 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1888.1422 and, um, 1888.8732 1399 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1888.8732 (pause 1.70) 1890.5733 1400 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1890.5733 Justine. 1891.5765 1401 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1891.5765 (pause 0.88) 1892.4543 1402 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1892.4543 Two blocks over. 1893.5340 1403 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1893.5340 (pause 1.49) 1895.0261 1404 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1895.0261 And Shields. 1896.0696 1405 DTA_int_02 1897.8640 How long have you lived here? 1898.6680 1406 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1899.2432 About seven years. 1900.3882 1407 DTA_int_02 1902.1665 Have you ever lived outside of this area? 1903.7017 1408 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1905.0778 No, other [than] 1905.9403 1409 DTA_int_02 1905.2221 [You grew up in the Detroit area?] 1906.4022 1410 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1906.7111 what, Marine City as a child. 1908.4479 1411 DTA_int_02 1909.0627 Oh, in- uh, 1910.0353 1412 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1910.2066 Marine City. 1911.0904 1413 DTA_int_02 1911.3623 that's near Port Huron? 1912.6958 1414 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1912.7814 Mm-hm. We lived in Port Huron and we lived in Marine City. 1915.8762 1415 DTA_int_02 1916.0445 How long did you live over there? 1917.0636 1416 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1917.6528 Oh, I was 1918.3349 1417 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1918.3349 (pause 0.18) 1918.5123 1418 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1918.5123 about two or three. 1919.4696 1419 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1919.4696 (pause 0.38) 1919.8489 1420 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1919.8489 You know, so I guess about two years. 1921.9502 1421 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1921.9502 (pause 0.16) 1922.1087 1422 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1922.1087 Two or three [years.] 1923.0999 1423 DTA_int_02 1922.5609 [And then you came-] 1923.2583 1424 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1923.7538 To- back to Detroit, [yes.] Uh-huh. 1925.4604 1425 DTA_int_02 1925.0266 [mm-hm.] 1925.2747 1426 DTA_int_02 1926.7109 Have you ever gone on any trips anywhere 1928.1821 1427 DTA_int_02 1928.1821 (pause 0.17) 1928.3564 1428 DTA_int_02 1928.3564 for extended time? 1929.2127 1429 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1929.7935 No, I've been to Chicago and 1932.0656 1430 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1932.0656 (pause 1.39) 1933.4572 1431 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1933.4572 that's about it I think. 1934.9494 1432 DTA_int_02 1935.0411 Mm-hm. 1935.2907 1433 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1935.8486 Cleveland. 1936.4789 1434 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1936.4789 (pause 0.24) 1936.7140 1435 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1936.7140 I didn't like that. 1937.5430 1436 DTA_int_02 1937.6898 Mm-hm. 1937.9738 1437 DTA_int_02 1937.9738 (pause 1.76) 1939.7386 1438 DTA_int_02 1939.7386 How does you family celebrate the holidays? 1941.2705 1439 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1942.7998 Well if the money's not too short 1944.7810 1440 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1944.7810 (pause 0.53) 1945.3112 1441 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1945.3112 we barbecue in the backyard. [] 1947.5622 1442 DTA_int_02 1947.1875 [Mm-hm.] 1947.4646 1443 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1948.2379 If it's- uh, 1949.4241 1444 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1949.4241 (pause 2.79) 1952.2120 1445 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1952.2120 um, 1952.9187 1446 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1952.9187 (pause 0.29) 1953.2058 1447 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1953.2058 this is usually we do around the [house.] 1955.5859 1448 DTA_int_02 1955.4485 [Mm-hm.] 1955.7325 1449 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1956.4989 Since I'm the one with 1957.5280 1450 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1957.5280 (pause 0.10) 1957.6257 1451 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1957.6257 the large amount of children, and if I have any transportation 1961.2852 1452 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1961.2852 (pause 2.05) 1963.3356 1453 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1963.3356 I don't usually take 'em to- /?/ or to a park anyways. Too m- 1966.9563 1454 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1966.9563 (pause 0.64) 1967.5985 1455 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1967.5985 you know, it's too nerve-wracking with too many people [there.] 1970.2256 1456 DTA_int_02 1970.0215 [Yeah.] 1970.1997 1457 DTA_int_02 1970.4851 Right. 1970.7264 1458 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1970.7508 So usually we barbecue over a friend or 1973.6225 1459 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1973.6225 (pause 0.17) 1973.7935 1460 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1973.7935 our yard or something like that. 1975.4761 1461 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1975.4761 (pause 1.16) 1976.6317 1462 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1976.6317 And then go for a long ride. 1978.1982 1463 DTA_int_02 1981.8486 What do you do at Christmas time? 1982.7752 1464 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1983.5264 Celebrate here at home. 1985.0135 1465 DTA_int_02 1985.0898 Mm-hm. 1985.3066 1466 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1986.0928 [We're always here.] Oh, [yes.] Christmas tree, presents, I usually give the children 1990.5005 1467 DTA_int_02 1986.1416 [With presents and 1987.0272 1468 DTA_int_02 1987.0272 (pause 0.22) 1987.2501 1469 DTA_int_02 1987.2501 [Christmas dinner?] 1987.6434 1470 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1991.1509 all one large gift and then a small. I usually try and give them gifts. 1994.9645 1471 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1994.9645 (pause 0.47) 1995.4317 1472 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1995.4317 And a tree. 1996.2470 1473 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1996.2470 (pause 0.67) 1996.9219 1474 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1996.9219 Oh and baking and cooking. 1998.4501 1475 DTA_int_02 1998.4653 Mm-hm. 1998.7062 1476 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 1999.1402 I like that. 1999.8944 1477 DTA_int_02 2001.6088 Anything special you cook 2003.1326 1478 DTA_int_02 2003.1326 (pause 0.33) 2003.4607 1479 DTA_int_02 2003.4607 for Christmas? 2004.2473 1480 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2004.6149 Oh, there's always a 2005.8058 1481 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2005.8058 (pause 0.33) 2006.1326 1482 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2006.1326 couple of cakes, and 2007.4775 1483 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2007.4775 (pause 0.21) 2007.6913 1484 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2007.6913 sweet potato pie, and turkey, 2009.5645 1485 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2009.5645 (pause 1.00) 2010.5691 1486 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2010.5691 and 2010.9386 1487 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2010.9386 (pause 0.89) 2011.8272 1488 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2011.8272 the trimmings. 2012.6559 1489 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2012.6559 (pause 1.18) 2013.8317 1490 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2013.8317 A lot of fruit. 2014.7227 1491 DTA_int_02 2015.2011 Mm-hm. 2015.4576 1492 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2018.2791 Nuts, you know, the a- I guess the usual. It's [usually] plenty to eat 2022.3412 1493 DTA_int_02 2021.1939 [Yeah.] 2021.3915 1494 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2022.7493 [on] that day. 2023.5156 1495 DTA_int_02 2022.7585 [Yeah.] 2022.9457 1496 DTA_int_02 2023.6440 Hm. 2023.7875 1497 DTA_int_02 2023.7875 (pause 0.71) 2024.4973 1498 DTA_int_02 2024.4973 What kind of presents do the kids like for Christmas? I mean, what do- what do you typically try and get 'em? 2027.9767 1499 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2028.0867 Well, 2028.9683 1500 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2028.9683 (pause 0.52) 2029.4913 1501 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2029.4913 from year to year it [varies.] 2031.3371 1502 DTA_int_02 2031.2302 [Mm-hm.] 2031.4836 1503 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2032.2653 Like this year, uh, 2033.6683 1504 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2033.6683 (pause 0.15) 2033.8149 1505 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2033.8149 money was short. 2034.7371 1506 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2034.7371 (pause 0.25) 2034.9834 1507 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2034.9834 I bought 2035.4028 1508 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2035.4028 (pause 0.82) 2036.2181 1509 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2036.2181 the son, twelve, and the one fourteen, a pool table together. 2039.8375 1510 DTA_int_02 2040.1019 Mm-hm. 2040.3187 1511 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2041.2134 And, uh, the one fourteen, a watch. 2043.7188 1512 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2043.7188 (pause 0.88) 2044.5982 1513 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2044.5982 And a heavy knit sweater. 2046.0928 1514 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2046.0928 (pause 1.27) 2047.3661 1515 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2047.3661 And the one twelve, 2048.6938 1516 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2048.6938 (pause 0.77) 2049.4623 1517 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2049.4623 a /couple gum/- 2050.4575 1518 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2050.4575 (pause 0.21) 2050.6655 1519 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2050.6655 guns. 2051.3524 1520 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2051.3524 (pause 0.41) 2051.7599 1521 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2051.7599 And three games. 2052.9703 1522 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2052.9703 (pause 1.90) 2054.8668 1523 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2054.8668 And a shirt and pants. 2056.6898 1524 DTA_int_02 2056.7264 Mm-hm. 2057.0022 1525 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2057.9309 [And s-] 2058.4037 1526 DTA_int_02 2058.3432 [They] get excited, do they? 2059.2158 1527 DTA_int_02 2059.3827 For Christmas? 2059.9052 1528 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2060.1967 No, cause they always want more. 2061.8806 1529 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2061.8806 (pause 0.25) 2062.1340 1530 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2062.1340 [] 2063.1095 1531 DTA_int_02 2062.2470 [] 2062.8393 1532 DTA_int_02 2063.2072 Well it's [not /inaudible/.] 2064.1302 1533 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2063.5859 [My children] are something else. (laughing) 2066.0318 1534 DTA_int_02 2064.8568 [Yeah.] 2065.1340 1535 DTA_int_02 2065.1340 (pause 0.44) 2065.5707 1536 DTA_int_02 2065.5707 [Yeah, just] like people. 2066.6083 1537 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2067.0958 Well they wanted a bike, a /?/, a racer. Sixty 2070.3768 1538 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2070.3768 (pause 0.29) 2070.6668 1539 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2070.6668 four dollars. [And for two,] I says no. 2073.3951 1540 DTA_int_02 2071.6348 [Oh my goodness.] 2072.4363 1541 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2074.0546 So I waited until after, in the spring, I caught one on sale. And i was able to get the younger one. But for around Christmas, if I had gotten the bike, which I didn't have the money to get the bike, if I had gotten it then it would've been a treat. It wouldn't been anything else. 2085.9600 1542 DTA_int_02 2086.0424 Mm-hm. 2086.3138 1543 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2086.9371 And it just didn't make [sense.] 2088.4803 1544 DTA_int_02 2088.3951 [Mm-hm.] 2088.6607 1545 DTA_int_02 2088.9294 [Right.] 2089.1486 1546 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2089.1004 [Since] they don't believe in Santa Claus anyway. 2091.2222 1547 DTA_int_02 2091.4042 Hm. 2091.5595 1548 DTA_int_02 2091.5595 (pause 2.14) 2093.7019 1549 DTA_int_02 2093.7019 What- uh, what do the kids do on October thirty first? What's this, uh, 2096.9544 1550 DTA_int_02 2096.9544 (pause 0.10) 2097.0592 1551 DTA_int_02 2097.0592 day [called?] 2097.7370 1552 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2097.4225 [ Halloween.] 2098.2614 1553 DTA_int_02 2098.2104 [Yeah.] 2098.4948 1554 DTA_int_02 2098.6623 What do the kids do on Halloween? 2099.8912 1555 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2099.9676 Uh, trick or treat. They dress and go begging 2102.7220 1556 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2102.7220 (pause 0.72) 2103.4439 1557 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2103.4439 in the neighborhood. The younger ones. And the older ones, go to- 2106.5600 1558 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2106.5600 (pause 0.29) 2106.8470 1559 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2106.8470 to usually a party. 2107.9096 1560 DTA_int_02 2107.9676 Mm-hm. 2108.2089 1561 DTA_int_02 2108.2089 (pause 1.77) 2109.9813 1562 DTA_int_02 2109.9813 What do the kids say when they come to the door? 2111.4287 1563 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2112.0073 Mm, trick or treat. 2112.8623 1564 DTA_int_02 2113.4943 Do they go out, uh, 2114.6378 1565 DTA_int_02 2114.6378 (pause 0.15) 2114.7905 1566 DTA_int_02 2114.7905 dressed up? 2115.2839 1567 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2116.3661 The younger ones. 2117.4057 1568 DTA_int_02 2117.4393 What kind of costumes do they wear? 2118.6180 1569 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2118.8684 Oh they vary. 2119.6470 1570 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2119.6470 (pause 0.21) 2119.8547 1571 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2119.8547 Each year if, uh, 2121.1141 1572 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2121.1141 (pause 1.44) 2122.5493 1573 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2122.5493 2122.6592 1574 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2122.6592 (pause 0.77) 2123.4332 1575 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2123.4332 I have some extra money, I'll buy a costume. If not, they'll make one. 2126.8151 1576 DTA_int_02 2127.0897 Mm-hm. 2127.3451 1577 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2127.7401 So it's- 2128.5548 1578 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2128.5548 (pause 2.43) 2130.9844 1579 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2130.9844 it change from year to year. Whatever- 2133.1598 1580 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2133.1598 (pause 0.64) 2133.8042 1581 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2133.8042 however things are that year. [Just make] the best of it, /unintelligible/. 2137.9524 1582 DTA_int_02 2135.7721 [/And do/-] 2136.1625 1583 DTA_int_02 2138.8301 do they ever dress up like- uh, oh, what's this old lady that flies on a broom through the [sky?] 2142.5409 1584 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2142.2485 [ The] witch. 2143.1279 1585 DTA_int_02 2143.1432 Yeah. 2143.3875 1586 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2144.2821 Mm, 2145.1783 1587 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2145.1783 (pause 1.06) 2146.2409 1588 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2146.2409 uh, the girls. See, the- my daughters are older 2149.0882 1589 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2149.0882 (pause 0.25) 2149.3386 1590 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2149.3386 than the boys. All I have now at home, well the young ones are boys. 2152.8474 1591 DTA_int_02 2152.9737 [Mm-hm.] 2153.2088 1592 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2153.1783 [They] don't 2154.0042 1593 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2154.8134 dress like that. 2155.8088 1594 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2155.8088 (pause 0.10) 2155.9127 1595 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2155.9127 The girls I can recall dressing as a witch. 2158.3661 1596 DTA_int_02 2160.6515 What do you make a 2161.4577 1597 DTA_int_02 2161.4577 (pause 0.93) 2162.3904 1598 DTA_int_02 2162.3904 jack-o-lantern out of? 2163.1901 1599 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2164.3691 A pumpkin. 2165.2241 1600 DTA_int_02 2165.4607 Mm-hm. 2165.7364 1601 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2165.9920 A candle. 2166.5951 1602 DTA_int_02 2168.7019 What kind of things do- uh, 2170.2226 1603 DTA_int_02 2170.2226 (pause 0.55) 2170.7753 1604 DTA_int_02 2170.7753 do fights usually start about around here? 2172.3187 1605 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2173.6928 2173.8027 1606 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2173.8027 (pause 0.10) 2173.9004 1607 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2173.9004 Oh, one taking something from the other one. 2176.3264 1608 DTA_int_02 2176.8546 I guess I'm thinking more out, not in the house, but, uh, 2179.7818 1609 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2180.3921 Out in the [street?] 2181.0571 1610 DTA_int_02 2180.6897 [out- out] where the kids are /about ? here/. 2182.4668 1611 DTA_int_02 2183.6622 Where they run around /and stuff/. 2184.6882 1612 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2186.1264 Well I really couldn't say, cause when by the time it get to me, they would given me their version anyway. [So they] wouldn't be fair, for me to say what it really start 2194.2333 1613 DTA_int_02 2191.1061 [Yeah.] 2191.3661 1614 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2194.3881 from. By the time that they 2195.6988 1615 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2195.6988 (pause 0.91) 2196.6057 1616 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2196.6057 really get into a fight. 2197.9768 1617 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2197.9768 (pause 0.35) 2198.3218 1618 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2198.3218 And the parent or someone come to meet you s- 2200.8027 1619 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2200.8027 (pause 1.00) 2201.7996 1620 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2201.7996 you know, it's all together different. 2203.3168 1621 DTA_int_02 2203.3294 Yeah. 2203.5065 1622 DTA_int_02 2203.5065 (pause 0.99) 2204.5003 1623 DTA_int_02 2204.5003 Uh, 2204.7790 1624 DTA_int_02 2204.7790 (pause 0.19) 2204.9675 1625 DTA_int_02 2204.9675 how about, um, 2205.8256 1626 DTA_int_02 2205.8256 (pause 0.40) 2206.2287 1627 DTA_int_02 2206.2287 is there any kind of, uh, 2207.5740 1628 DTA_int_02 2207.5740 (pause 0.84) 2208.4103 1629 DTA_int_02 2208.4103 street fighting or anything like this around 2210.0923 1630 DTA_int_02 2210.0923 (pause 0.41) 2210.5065 1631 DTA_int_02 2210.5065 in this area? 2211.0783 1632 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2211.8897 [No.] 2212.3752 1633 DTA_int_02 2212.3447 [When] you read in the paper [about s-.] 2213.6290 1634 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2213.2211 [No cause] usually here, like, if you one of my sons- I have more trouble with my younger son, 2218.8187 1635 DTA_int_02 2219.7324 [Mm-hm.] 2219.9748 1636 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2219.7446 [Any-] the one that's twelve. If he do something 2222.2180 1637 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2223.0011 fight 2223.4775 1638 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2223.4775 (pause 0.36) 2223.8347 1639 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2223.8347 both 2224.2585 1640 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2224.2585 (pause 0.28) 2224.5371 1641 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2224.5371 the child will- whoever he's fighting will tell his parent. And it's understood they come to me and tell me, then I 2230.7752 1642 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2230.7752 (pause 0.60) 2231.3737 1643 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2231.3737 punish him. Whoop him. 2232.4042 1644 DTA_int_02 2232.7309 Mm-hm. 2232.9922 1645 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2233.4210 This is the way we do this. 2234.9553 1646 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2234.9553 (pause 0.17) 2235.1294 1647 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2235.1294 Um, 2235.6332 1648 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2235.6332 (pause 0.17) 2235.8073 1649 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2235.8073 here it's usually 2237.0592 1650 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2237.0592 (pause 0.56) 2237.6164 1651 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2237.6164 not, uh, a group fight. Whoever start it 2240.4240 1652 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2240.4240 (pause 0.13) 2240.5492 1653 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2240.5492 that they come 2241.2332 1654 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2241.2332 (pause 0.53) 2241.7615 1655 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2241.7615 and they k- 2242.3508 1656 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2242.3508 (pause 0.33) 2242.6775 1657 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2242.6775 call or either they'll come. And when they tell me 2244.9935 1658 DTA_int_02 2245.4180 Mm-hm. 2245.6500 1659 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2245.9737 whatever i- and usually my son say, well I didn't do it. But I feel that 2249.1752 1660 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2249.1752 (pause 0.15) 2249.3279 1661 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2249.3279 he knows something about it [and he] have to be punished or whooped [for.] 2252.7568 1662 DTA_int_02 2250.7737 [Mm-hm.] 2250.9813 1663 DTA_int_02 2250.9813 (pause 1.54) 2252.5248 1664 DTA_int_02 2252.5248 [Mm-hm.] 2252.7613 1665 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2253.8439 And they don't usually do that anymore. 2255.6377 1666 DTA_int_02 2255.8301 Mm-hm. 2256.0713 1667 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2256.7279 It was understood they just tell me. 2258.5003 1668 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2258.5003 (pause 0.34) 2258.8423 1669 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2258.8423 You know, then this keeps down a lot, uh, ill feelings and a lot of other things that they know that they will get. 2264.0836 1670 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2264.0836 (pause 0.37) 2264.4545 1671 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2264.4545 And I don't like whooping 2265.6179 1672 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2265.6179 (pause 0.12) 2265.7401 1673 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2265.7401 children too [much.] But this is one time I will whoop them. 2268.1904 1674 DTA_int_02 2266.3386 [Mm-hm.] 2266.5584 1675 DTA_int_02 2268.3645 Mm-hm. 2268.5782 1676 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2269.4638 Cause, uh, I mean I don't like that. 2270.9187 1677 DTA_int_02 2273.2149 Are there any rules for- um, 2274.5501 1678 DTA_int_02 2274.5501 (pause 0.28) 2274.8317 1679 DTA_int_02 2274.8317 for a fair fight? I mean, if the kids are gonna fight, 2276.8026 1680 DTA_int_02 2276.8026 (pause 0.31) 2277.1110 1681 DTA_int_02 2277.1110 uh, 2277.3828 1682 DTA_int_02 2277.3828 (pause 1.52) 2278.9071 1683 DTA_int_02 2278.9071 if they're fighting out there and you know- 2280.1477 1684 DTA_int_02 2280.1477 (pause 0.62) 2280.7645 1685 DTA_int_02 2280.7645 when you grew up, were 2281.6745 1686 DTA_int_02 2281.6745 (pause 0.73) 2282.4043 1687 DTA_int_02 2282.4043 did- did the kids fight? And would they- were there- 2285.3157 1688 DTA_int_02 2285.3157 (pause 0.20) 2285.5156 1689 DTA_int_02 2285.5156 was there dirty fighting as against to clean fighting, or? 2287.8393 1690 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2288.4454 2288.5797 1691 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2288.5797 (pause 0.11) 2288.6896 1692 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2288.6896 Well I don't know. Um, 2290.3722 1693 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2290.3722 (pause 1.15) 2291.5248 1694 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2291.5248 I can't remember being a girl, it wasn't too much fighting. 2294.6041 1695 DTA_int_02 2294.6499 Mm-hm. 2294.9248 1696 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2295.6179 But like with boys, I have- uh, we have boxing gloves, and if they really must shoot, I have called 2301.9385 1697 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2301.9385 (pause 2.06) 2303.9981 1698 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2303.9981 other boys from the street that really wanted to fight, and put 'em in the yard, and put boxing gloves on ['em.] 2308.7914 1699 DTA_int_02 2308.5615 [Let them] go. 2309.1142 1700 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2309.3340 Just let them go if they really wanna fight. 2311.2206 1701 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2311.2206 (pause 0.53) 2311.7538 1702 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2311.7538 Then I feel 2312.6347 1703 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2312.6347 (pause 0.30) 2312.9370 1704 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2312.9370 better that way, cause then you don't have to worry about a stick, one getting poked in the eye 2317.3861 1705 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2317.3861 (pause 0.48) 2317.8668 1706 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2317.8668 or really hurting one and- 2319.2179 1707 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2319.2179 (pause 0.11) 2319.3248 1708 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2319.3248 cause they really don't mean to really hurt. 2321.0806 1709 DTA_int_02 2321.4881 Mm-hm. 2321.7293 1710 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2322.0011 And usually, five out of ten, after they fight 2324.3126 1711 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2324.3126 (pause 0.26) 2324.5736 1712 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2324.5736 like the devil one day, the next day they're out playing. 2327.3584 1713 DTA_int_02 2327.3812 Mm-hm. 2327.6225 1714 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2327.8698 So there's no point in we parents getting too [alarmed.] 2330.6896 1715 DTA_int_02 2330.4515 [Mm-hm.] 2330.7018 1716 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2331.1843 So when they really 2332.6622 1717 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2332.6622 (pause 0.16) 2332.8241 1718 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2332.8241 be mauling off and feel that they must fight, 2335.5096 1719 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2335.5096 (pause 0.20) 2335.7111 1720 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2335.7111 then I'll drag 2336.8148 1721 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2336.8148 (pause 0.32) 2337.1385 1722 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2337.1385 mine and the other one in the yard. 2338.7874 1723 DTA_int_02 2338.8607 Mm-hm. 2339.1495 1724 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2339.4103 And just let 'em get to it. 2340.5904 1725 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2340.5904 (pause 0.42) 2341.0118 1726 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2341.0118 And then give 'em some Kool-Aid, and they'll be alright. And it isn't a terrible shame, we usually laugh. 2344.9129 1727 DTA_int_02 2345.1019 Yeah. 2345.3486 1728 DTA_int_02 2345.3486 (pause 1.49) 2346.8347 1729 DTA_int_02 2346.8347 Um, 2347.1714 1730 DTA_int_02 2347.1714 (pause 1.93) 2349.1049 1731 DTA_int_02 2349.1049 have you ever seen anybody get beat up real bad or anything like that? 2351.5492 1732 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2354.3615 No. 2354.9644 1733 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2354.9644 (pause 0.98) 2355.9442 1734 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2355.9442 No, not really bad. 2357.1869 1735 DTA_int_02 2359.8943 Have you ever been in the hospital? 2360.8973 1736 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2361.7950 Yes. 2362.3569 1737 DTA_int_02 2364.0622 [Um,] 2364.4530 1738 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2364.1477 [Mm.] 2364.5019 1739 DTA_int_02 2364.8958 what was it? 2365.3028 1740 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2366.5583 Well I had, um, 2367.5690 1741 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2367.5690 (pause 1.29) 2368.8638 1742 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2368.8638 major surgery, 2369.9034 1743 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2369.9034 (pause 0.83) 2370.7370 1744 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2370.7370 female trouble, and I had surgery on my feet. 2373.7556 1745 DTA_int_02 2374.0607 Mm-hm. 2374.3466 1746 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2374.6439 Twice, 2375.2699 1747 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2375.2699 (pause 0.99) 2376.2606 1748 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2376.2606 so. 2376.5904 1749 DTA_int_02 2377.6103 What's- what's the worst illness you've ever had? 2379.4686 1750 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2382.6332 Oh, I think when I had female trouble. That was- I had a tumor, you know, I was really sick then. 2387.4698 1751 DTA_int_02 2387.7507 Mm-hm. 2387.9945 1752 DTA_int_02 2387.9945 (pause 1.18) 2389.1706 1753 DTA_int_02 2389.1706 This took care of it, though? 2389.9927 1754 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2390.4881 Mm-hm. 2390.9125 1755 DTA_int_02 2393.8484 What do you say in the winter time 2395.1371 1756 DTA_int_02 2395.1371 (pause 0.39) 2395.5279 1757 DTA_int_02 2395.5279 when- uh, 2396.1362 1758 DTA_int_02 2396.1362 (pause 0.85) 2396.9858 1759 DTA_int_02 2396.9858 when kids- it's real cold and kids come in and they start, 2399.2072 1760 DTA_int_02 2399.2072 (pause 1.11) 2400.3217 1761 DTA_int_02 2400.3217 uh, coughing and sneezing. Th- you say 2402.6377 1762 DTA_int_02 2402.6377 (pause 0.32) 2402.9583 1763 DTA_int_02 2402.9583 that they're starting to? 2403.8103 1764 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2404.5309 Catch a cold. 2405.3370 1765 DTA_int_02 2405.5339 Okay. 2405.8561 1766 DTA_int_02 2405.8561 (pause 1.47) 2407.3263 1767 DTA_int_02 2407.3263 Have you ever been in an automobile accident? 2408.7537 1768 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2409.2179 No. 2409.6209 1769 DTA_int_02 2410.2469 What's the worst one you've ever seen? 2411.4850 1770 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2414.8026 Mm, on the expressway- I haven't ever really seen one. Like, you know, 2419.2683 1771 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2419.2683 (pause 0.57) 2419.8393 1772 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2419.8393 directly like a car being hit 2421.3980 1773 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2421.3980 (pause 0.30) 2421.6973 1774 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2421.6973 and people. I've seen the after. 2423.4178 1775 DTA_int_02 2423.8117 What would happen- what would you see afterwards? I [mean,] 2426.4209 1776 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2426.0394 [U- uh.] 2427.0173 1777 DTA_int_02 2426.8423 [what do] you figure happened? 2427.6840 1778 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2428.1645 Oh you see blood, glass, and a dented car. 2430.9721 1779 DTA_int_02 2431.1461 Mm-hm. 2431.4378 1780 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2431.8223 Something like that. 2432.7507 1781 DTA_int_02 2435.4239 Have you ever been in a situation where you thought you might be killed or you might die? 2438.4911 1782 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2441.9186 No. 2442.3217 1783 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2442.3217 (pause 1.60) 2443.9248 1784 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2443.9248 Well I can't recall none. 2445.2789 1785 DTA_int_02 2448.2453 Some people say whatever is gonna happen, is gonna happen. What do you think about that? 2451.2301 1786 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2451.3461 This is true. 2452.0545 1787 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2452.0545 (pause 1.23) 2453.2821 1788 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2453.2821 I believe this. 2454.2423 1789 DTA_int_02 2454.2423 Hm. 2454.4368 1790 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2454.4805 I, um, 2455.0545 1791 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2455.0545 (pause 0.58) 2455.6347 1792 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2455.6347 getting back to the murder. 2456.9888 1793 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2456.9888 (pause 1.66) 2458.6530 1794 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2458.6530 Uh, 2459.0449 1795 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2459.0449 (pause 0.12) 2459.1630 1796 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2459.1630 I was supposed to- I- 2460.5812 1797 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2460.5812 (pause 1.48) 2462.0653 1798 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2462.0653 if I had followed the plans, I would have been at his house when it happened. 2465.9888 1799 DTA_int_02 2465.9888 So you would've got it, too? 2467.1092 1800 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2467.5217 I just 2468.0225 1801 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2468.0225 (pause 0.16) 2468.1874 1802 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2468.1874 so happen that night 2469.6698 1803 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2469.6698 (pause 0.47) 2470.1431 1804 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2470.1431 my second husband came by. And this is something he never do. 2473.2927 1805 DTA_int_02 2473.5920 Mm-hm. 2473.8515 1806 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2474.6957 And he had some scotch. 2476.1675 1807 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2476.1675 (pause 0.66) 2476.8240 1808 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2476.8240 And, uh, I had some scotch. 2478.7492 1809 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2478.7492 (pause 0.94) 2479.6897 1810 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2479.6897 And he went to sleep sitting at the table. He had been 2482.5034 1811 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2482.5034 (pause 0.13) 2482.6317 1812 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2482.6317 to work. 2483.2088 1813 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2483.2088 (pause 0.89) 2484.0988 1814 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2484.0988 And I took his station wagon, which I don't even drive, but I got my daughter. 2488.1100 1815 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2488.1100 (pause 0.71) 2488.8210 1816 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2488.8210 I took the keys from him while he was sitting there sleeping, and stripped all the beds and the- 2493.1385 1817 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2493.1385 (pause 0.14) 2493.2789 1818 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2493.2789 and all the clothes and washed, cause our washer machine is broke. 2497.1871 1819 DTA_int_02 2497.4057 Mm-hm. 2497.6775 1820 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2497.7874 But this was chance for me to get all the [clothes clean.] And this is- was, uh, 2501.9919 1821 DTA_int_02 2499.8866 [And all that. Mm-hm.] 2500.8207 1822 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2502.6647 around nine in the evening, and usually you wash early. 2505.4499 1823 DTA_int_02 2505.4652 Mm-hm. 2505.7380 1824 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2505.8683 But even, I was just so glad to have transportation 2508.5171 1825 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2508.5171 (pause 0.33) 2508.8438 1826 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2508.8438 since he was sitting here, I 2510.1599 1827 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2510.1599 (pause 0.49) 2510.6499 1828 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2510.6499 grabbed all my clothes and went there. And this threw me late. 2513.4972 1829 DTA_int_02 2513.7568 Mm-hm. 2514.0102 1830 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2514.7095 2514.8102 1831 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2514.8102 (pause 0.31) 2515.1186 1832 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2515.1186 And then it was my brother's birthday, he came by. 2518.0110 1833 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2518.0110 (pause 1.18) 2519.1904 1834 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2519.1904 And, uh, 2519.9613 1835 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2519.9613 (pause 0.52) 2520.4805 1836 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2520.4805 since he had the scotch 2521.5797 1837 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2521.5797 (pause 0.15) 2521.7294 1838 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2521.7294 I gave him a drink, you know. And I went to the store 2524.6958 1839 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2524.6958 (pause 0.43) 2525.1263 1840 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2525.1263 and bought a bottle of champagne for him for his birthday. 2527.9675 1841 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2527.9675 (pause 0.94) 2528.9094 1842 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2528.9094 And fooling around with him, 2530.6042 1843 DTA_int_02 2530.7141 [Mm-hm.] 2530.9622 1844 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2530.8210 [time] flew by, cause this fella 2532.8499 1845 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2533.7965 that was killed, 2534.6774 1846 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2534.6774 (pause 0.49) 2535.1690 1847 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2535.1690 he worked afternoon so he got home at ten thirty. 2537.8575 1848 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2537.8575 (pause 0.63) 2538.4835 1849 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2538.4835 R- he got off at ten thirty, 2539.7766 1850 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2539.7766 (pause 0.30) 2540.0744 1851 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2540.0744 eleven fifteen he was home. 2541.8255 1852 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2541.8255 (pause 0.34) 2542.1675 1853 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2542.1675 Well this was always good for my plans, at that time my children would be in bed. 2546.2485 1854 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2546.2485 (pause 0.34) 2546.5919 1855 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2546.5919 You know, and I would be able to go 2548.4179 1856 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2548.4179 (pause 0.48) 2548.9003 1857 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2548.9003 over his house and maybe, uh, 2551.0118 1858 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2551.0118 (pause 0.16) 2551.1747 1859 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2551.1747 we'd broil steaks or have dinner, or drink or whatever. 2554.0545 1860 DTA_int_02 2554.1913 Mm-hm. 2554.5149 1861 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2554.6988 And I could be back home before the kids wake up, you know, seeing I'm not missed. 2558.0911 1862 DTA_int_02 2558.1935 [Mm-hm.] 2558.4117 1863 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2558.2041 [And then,] you know, e- my- since my mother stays here, see everything was really in order and it's still like we're running the streets, but it's just a little outlet. 2565.2178 1864 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2565.9263 2566.0301 1865 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2566.0301 (pause 0.28) 2566.3141 1866 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2566.3141 And since this happened, uh, 2568.3705 1867 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2568.3705 (pause 0.63) 2568.9965 1868 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2568.9965 Friday, my brother's birthday, like I said, I'm going washing t-. 2571.6331 1869 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2571.6331 (pause 0.66) 2572.2927 1870 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2572.2927 I missed it. 2572.9675 1871 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2572.9675 (pause 0.89) 2573.8575 1872 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2573.8575 And I've often wondered, I say well the Lord was with me. 2576.3339 1873 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2576.3339 (pause 0.44) 2576.7720 1874 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2576.7720 Cause it wasn't like who- whoever did it, if they had seen me they might've had to have did this to me to keep me, 2582.0239 1875 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2582.0239 (pause 0.18) 2582.2082 1876 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2582.2082 you know, quiet. And whoever did it meant 2583.8408 1877 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2583.8408 (pause 0.27) 2584.1125 1878 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2584.1125 to do it. Cause he shoot him five times, that's- 2586.3107 1879 DTA_int_02 2587.1522 He was mad. 2587.6631 1880 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2588.0072 yeah. 2588.4972 1881 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2588.4972 (pause 0.20) 2588.7018 1882 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2588.7018 Right through the door. 2589.7510 1883 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2589.7510 (pause 0.25) 2589.9995 1884 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2589.9995 One went through the door and the other right there at the door, so. 2593.0148 1885 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2593.0148 (pause 1.19) 2594.2026 1886 DTA_se1_ag3_f_01 2594.2026 I go along with it, if it's not meant for you. 2596.4767