Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DTA_int_05 1.4582 Well, 1.8975 2 DTA_int_05 1.8975 (pause 0.99) 2.8861 3 DTA_int_05 2.8861 let's talk about, uh, the days when you were a lot younger than you are now. 5.5222 4 DTA_int_05 5.5222 (pause 0.83) 6.3476 5 DTA_int_05 6.3476 7.0066 6 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 7.2263 [Okay.] 7.7389 7 DTA_int_05 7.3622 [/inaudible/] 7.5269 8 DTA_int_05 7.8478 8.3899 9 DTA_int_05 8.3899 (pause 0.40) 8.7890 10 DTA_int_05 8.7890 What kinds of- kind of games did you play when you were a kid? 10.8527 11 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 12.1896 Oh, I played softball. 13.5199 12 DTA_int_05 13.6664 Uh-huh. 14.0437 13 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 15.4349 Mm. Shoot aggies. 16.6981 14 DTA_int_05 17.5219 Uh. [What?] 18.0406 15 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 17.8819 [Uh], shoot 18.3091 16 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 18.7301 agates. 19.3098 17 DTA_int_05 19.6660 Shoot agates? 20.4288 18 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 20.4776 Yeah. Marbles, I [guess it's called.] 21.8445 19 DTA_int_05 21.1915 [Oh yeah. Yeah.] Yeah. It's marbles. Yeah. 23.1015 20 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 23.4127 and then let's see. 24.3830 21 DTA_int_05 25.5526 The aggie is the name of the shooter is it? 26.9683 22 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 28.1827 Yeah. [It is.] 28.9637 23 DTA_int_05 28.7502 [Was- uh.] Was the aggie bigger than the other ones you were shooting in? 31.5244 24 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 32.0675 Yes. 32.5007 25 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 32.5007 (pause 0.99) 33.4954 26 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 33.4954 Some are. Yeah. 34.5327 27 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 34.5327 (pause 0.34) 34.8683 28 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 34.8683 Some are small, some are larger but some of 'em call- I think they call the aggies the largest one I think [though.] 38.6675 29 DTA_int_05 38.4234 [Right.] 38.7651 30 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 39.0153 Yeah. 39.4180 31 DTA_int_05 39.6316 Do they- were they all one color? Or different [colors?] 41.3951 32 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 41.1937 [No, they're] different [colors.] 42.2557 33 DTA_int_05 42.1518 [Uh-huh.] 42.5088 34 DTA_int_05 43.9397 You say you used to play softball huh? 45.1621 35 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 45.2048 Yeah, a little. 45.6686 36 DTA_int_05 45.6826 They don't play much softball now do they? 46.9256 37 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 47.7616 Mm. Some places they do, they- 50.2110 38 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 50.2110 (pause 0.46) 50.6747 39 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 50.6747 they have teams. 51.6938 40 DTA_int_05 51.8219 Uh-huh. 52.1659 41 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 52.9734 I don't hear of 'em too much now, you know. 55.3899 42 DTA_int_05 56.9691 You had regular leagues running, did you? 58.6039 43 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 58.8541 No. We just- 59.9342 44 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 59.9342 (pause 0.61) 60.5422 45 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 60.5422 we all were from a little neighborhood community like we all have- had a team, we all used to just played each other you know. 65.1154 46 DTA_int_05 65.8598 Was that, uh, softball is underhand pitch, huh? 68.3652 47 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 68.3007 Underhand pitch [yeah.] 69.2484 48 DTA_int_05 69.1272 [Uh-huh.] 69.4538 49 DTA_int_05 69.8668 /And then the/ diamond's same size as baseball is it? 71.9842 50 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 72.0330 No. It's smaller. 73.0521 51 DTA_int_05 73.1009 Uh-huh. 73.4318 52 DTA_int_05 73.4318 (pause 0.33) 73.7625 53 DTA_int_05 73.7625 But positions are the same huh? 75.0012 54 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 75.1477 Yes. Positions the same. 76.3693 55 DTA_int_05 76.3780 Mm-hm. 76.7136 56 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 78.1633 [And] 78.9729 57 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 78.9729 (pause 0.18) 79.1499 58 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 79.1499 later on I got a little bit older, well I used to box quite a bit. 81.8264 59 DTA_int_05 82.1181 Oh yeah? 82.5343 60 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 82.7722 Yeah. 83.1075 61 DTA_int_05 83.9866 Did you go into Golden Gloves and things like that? 85.4755 62 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 85.7594 No. I never entered in the tournament, but 87.3348 63 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 87.3348 (pause 0.15) 87.4874 64 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 87.4874 I fought in a tournament in the army. 89.3669 65 DTA_int_05 89.4706 Oh yeah? 89.9038 66 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 90.0015 Yeah. 90.3371 67 DTA_int_05 93.9212 Did you have to- uh, that's pretty, uh, rough sport isn't it? 97.0516 68 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 97.0760 Yes it is. 97.6801 69 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 97.6801 (pause 0.70) 98.3819 70 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 98.3819 You have to like it though. 99.4799 71 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 99.4799 (pause 0.36) 99.8399 72 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 99.8399 I used to like it. 100.5844 73 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 100.5844 (pause 0.56) 101.1458 74 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 101.1458 So I still- I still do. 102.4516 75 DTA_int_05 104.9761 Have to be in good condition for it huh? 106.2575 76 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 106.6115 At all times. [] 107.7645 77 DTA_int_05 107.5998 [] 108.3015 78 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 108.2465 And I said your, uh, condition tells on you. 110.1566 79 DTA_int_05 110.3091 Yeah. 110.5674 80 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 110.5532 It really does. 111.1817 81 DTA_int_05 113.0814 Did you ever get your nose broken or anything like that? 114.8938 82 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 114.9609 I had it broken once. 115.9755 83 DTA_int_05 116.0304 117.3345 84 DTA_int_05 117.3345 (pause 1.64) 118.9755 85 DTA_int_05 118.9755 No teeth knocked out though huh? 120.2150 86 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 120.1930 No teeth, no. 120.9316 87 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 121.3893 And I was working with a light heavyweight we were j- we was in the gym. 124.1718 88 DTA_int_05 124.3039 Yeah? 124.6518 89 DTA_int_05 124.6518 (pause 1.21) 125.8661 90 DTA_int_05 125.8661 [And you.] 126.1468 91 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 125.9464 [Just] pushed over. 126.9472 92 DTA_int_05 127.0509 It wasn't actually during a match, uh, [you were just] working out. [] 129.2566 93 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 128.3018 [No.] 128.7290 94 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 128.7290 (pause 0.37) 129.1012 95 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 129.1012 [This was] just working out. Yeah. 130.2240 96 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 130.7783 Working with him for f- for speed. 132.4625 97 DTA_int_05 132.6577 [Yeah?] 133.1454 98 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 132.8110 [] 133.1344 99 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 134.2682 I guess he got carried away and 135.7733 100 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 135.7733 (pause 1.05) 136.8229 101 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 136.8229 hit too hard. Well he was- he was heavy at that time, I was only weighing 139.3076 102 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 139.3076 (pause 0.37) 139.6738 103 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 139.6738 hundred and forty-five. 140.6623 104 DTA_int_05 140.8576 Yeah. 141.0712 105 DTA_int_05 141.0712 (pause 0.49) 141.5660 106 DTA_int_05 141.5660 [For the light] heavys, it would start at what- what weight? 143.6953 107 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 141.6326 [He.] 141.9133 108 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 144.4153 Uh. 145.0683 109 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 145.0683 (pause 0.65) 145.7212 110 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 145.7212 Anything over a hundred and sixty. 147.0565 111 DTA_int_05 147.3189 Oh yeah? (laughing) 148.3441 112 DTA_int_05 148.3441 (pause 1.33) 149.6744 113 DTA_int_05 149.6744 Was he also taller than you with a longer reach? And all the rest [of it?] 151.9915 114 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 151.8857 [Yeah he] was taller. 152.7583 115 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 154.3182 Longer reach. 155.0688 116 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 155.0688 (pause 0.43) 155.4959 117 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 155.4959 [/But see-/] 155.9475 118 DTA_int_05 155.5509 [But you're] not so very short yourself are you? 157.2473 119 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 157.3144 I'm five nine. 158.2419 120 DTA_int_05 160.2374 That's pretty good height though isn't it? 161.4570 121 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 162.3052 Well they claim it's the heighth of the average man. 164.4293 122 DTA_int_05 164.4525 [ So you're listed average huh?] 166.3380 123 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 164.7334 [] 165.5205 124 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 165.5205 (pause 0.58) 166.1000 125 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 166.1000 [Pretty] average yeah. 166.9177 126 DTA_int_05 166.9177 [] 169.0653 127 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 168.6491 [] 169.1006 128 DTA_int_05 169.2105 Good. 169.4851 129 DTA_int_05 169.4851 (pause 0.96) 170.4421 130 DTA_int_05 170.4421 Yeah, you boxed in the army. 171.6261 131 DTA_int_05 171.6261 (pause 0.15) 171.7793 132 DTA_int_05 171.7793 How many years were you in there? 173.0843 133 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 173.4626 Uh. About three years. 174.5816 134 DTA_int_05 174.9782 And that was during the [War?] 176.1134 135 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 175.9180 [During] the- during World War Two. 177.2502 136 DTA_int_05 177.3031 Uh-huh. [See any] overseas duty? 178.7931 137 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 177.8483 [Mm-hm.] 178.1603 138 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 179.0871 Yes. I was in England, 180.1793 139 DTA_int_05 180.4051 Uh-huh. 180.6675 140 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 180.6370 France and Germany. 181.5586 141 DTA_int_05 181.7905 See any hot shooting? 182.7424 142 DTA_int_05 182.7424 (pause 1.52) 184.2597 143 DTA_int_05 184.2597 See some hot shooting? Were you on the front [lines?] 186.3528 144 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 186.2063 [No.] 186.8104 145 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 187.1766 Well we- we- we- we was right behind the line, we wasn't too cl- 189.5858 146 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 189.5858 (pause 0.13) 189.7148 147 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 189.7148 I was in quartermaster. 190.8651 148 DTA_int_05 190.9441 Oh yeah. 191.4139 149 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 191.5543 Mm-hm. 191.9448 150 DTA_int_05 192.6343 Support personnel huh? 193.6851 151 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 193.7816 Mm-hm. 194.1660 152 DTA_int_05 195.2095 That's a- that's a- that's a responsible position though, isn't it, huh? [Quartermaster?] 197.9348 153 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 197.5105 [Oh yeah.] 197.9865 154 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 199.3700 They handle all the supplies, taking 'em up and all. 201.6949 155 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 201.6949 (pause 1.39) 203.0857 156 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 203.0857 Handle all the supply. 204.0829 157 DTA_int_05 205.9593 I suppose that was a major problem too during that uh. 208.1378 158 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 209.2056 Yeah. 209.5779 159 DTA_int_05 210.0477 You went- 210.4788 160 DTA_int_05 210.4788 (pause 0.20) 210.6817 161 DTA_int_05 210.6817 you went over after Normandy huh and then [/inaudible/] 212.9822 162 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 212.5001 [Mm-hm.] 213.0005 163 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 214.2636 So we landed I think the sixth 215.7717 164 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 215.7717 (pause 0.87) 216.6382 165 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 216.6382 of June 217.1813 166 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 217.1813 (pause 0.16) 217.3460 167 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 217.3460 and I think the invasion was the fourth. 218.8899 168 DTA_int_05 219.1613 Uh-huh. 219.4819 169 DTA_int_05 219.4819 (pause 2.40) 221.8800 170 DTA_int_05 221.8800 Isn't that uh when they coined the name the Red Ball express was [it?] 224.9391 171 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 224.8110 [Yeah] they had that r- Red Ball express. 226.5333 172 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 226.7792 Yeah. 226.9758 173 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 226.9758 (pause 1.50) 228.4769 174 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 228.4769 That was in France. 229.3251 175 DTA_int_05 232.4166 I suppose you saw all the- all the effects of the war though huh? 234.7476 176 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 234.9002 Oh yeah. 235.4860 177 DTA_int_05 238.0779 Pretty sad, huh? 238.7873 178 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 238.8529 Rough. Rough. 239.7865 179 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 239.7865 (pause 1.76) 241.5439 180 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 241.5439 Horrible at time. 242.6362 181 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 242.6362 (pause 2.00) 244.6378 182 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 244.6378 Cause I know, we- we went right through 246.4501 183 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 246.4501 (pause 2.64) 249.0928 184 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 249.0928 St. /?/ I believe it was. All you could see, women, children all hanging on /one's/- 253.6547 185 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 253.6547 (pause 0.45) 254.1010 186 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 254.1010 bombing, you know, and all 255.1750 187 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 255.1750 (pause 0.64) 255.8157 188 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 255.8157 buildings all torn out, just a hole, you know. 258.2688 189 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 258.2688 (pause 2.43) 260.7014 190 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 260.7014 Really shakes you up. 261.4153 191 DTA_int_05 261.9666 Yeah it does. You think it'll ever happen over here? 263.7057 192 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 264.2244 I doubt it. 264.9628 193 DTA_int_05 266.2194 Sure hope not [anyhow.] 267.2019 194 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 266.9612 [/In time/.] 267.5863 195 DTA_int_05 267.5863 It's bad enough the way it is [/?/ ] 268.7762 196 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 268.4528 [Really.] 268.8677 197 DTA_int_05 269.2371 [] 269.4446 198 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 269.3775 [But] I don't think this country could stand it though. 270.9425 199 DTA_int_05 271.2311 Yeah. 271.5423 200 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 271.9084 I really don't. 272.5431 201 DTA_int_05 272.5919 Think it would really go to pieces huh? 273.8977 202 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 276.5350 Yeah, I think we live a little too soft over here. 278.4122 203 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 278.4122 (pause 0.35) 278.7600 204 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 278.7600 You know. 279.0834 205 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 279.0834 (pause 0.32) 279.4007 206 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 279.4007 Especially women. Now- Now- (coughing) the mens have it kind of rough, but 282.1162 207 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 282.1162 (pause 0.55) 282.6708 208 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 282.6708 I don't think the American women could go through a lot of stuff the peoples over seas go through. 286.1124 209 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 286.1124 (pause 1.26) 287.3694 210 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 287.3694 Maybe they- they might can, after you're under pressure, you can't hardly say though, but that just is- just the way I see it, you know. 292.2274 211 DTA_int_05 292.5212 Uh-huh. 292.9300 212 DTA_int_05 292.9300 (pause 3.20) 296.1337 213 DTA_int_05 296.1337 Tell me, do you watch TV much? 297.4029 214 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 298.8011 Yeah. Sometime. I used to. I don't watch too much now. 301.5105 215 DTA_int_05 301.7135 Yeah. 302.2084 216 DTA_int_05 302.2084 (pause 1.39) 303.5990 217 DTA_int_05 303.5990 When was used to? 304.4411 218 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 305.8242 Oh about 306.3625 219 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 306.3625 (pause 0.60) 306.9633 220 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 306.9633 three or four months ago. 307.8825 221 DTA_int_05 308.4945 Three or four months. 309.3244 222 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 310.0383 Yes [but.] 310.5898 223 misc 310.1302 [Excuse me,] where are your cigarettes? 311.4190 224 DTA_int_05 317.7836 All you got left huh? 318.6579 225 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 318.8836 [] 319.2925 226 DTA_int_05 318.8881 [] 320.8022 227 DTA_int_05 321.1274 Gee I'm sorry I [don't smoke,] otherwise I'd be glad to [contribute some. ] 324.1973 228 misc 321.9102 [It's /inaudible/.] 322.5212 229 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 321.9529 [Mm.] 322.2946 230 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 323.3442 [] 323.7752 231 misc 324.2578 There's two. 324.9718 232 DTA_int_05 325.3323 325.5885 233 DTA_int_05 325.5885 (pause 0.57) 326.1560 234 DTA_int_05 326.1560 [It's.] 326.4085 235 misc 326.1560 [I'd like] to stop smoking myself. 327.8124 236 DTA_int_05 330.3464 Why? Why do you wanna stop smoking? 331.6001 237 DTA_int_05 331.6001 (pause 0.87) 332.4666 238 DTA_int_05 332.4666 You enjoy it don't you? 333.3087 239 misc 333.7968 Mm-hm. 334.2484 240 misc 334.2484 (pause 3.05) 337.2975 241 misc 337.2975 Uh. Actually, it's a release of 339.3967 242 misc 339.3967 (pause 0.52) 339.9154 243 misc 339.9154 nervous tension. I get nervous and I smoke. Um. 342.1034 244 misc 342.1034 (pause 0.68) 342.7810 245 misc 342.7810 342.8847 246 misc 342.8847 (pause 1.02) 343.9036 247 misc 343.9036 Say, six, seven cigarettes in about an hour and a half. 346.6636 248 misc 346.6636 (pause 0.79) 347.4577 249 misc 347.4577 But if I'm calm and everything, I smoke 349.2518 250 misc 349.2518 (pause 0.64) 349.8962 251 misc 349.8962 once in a while, you know, about 350.8925 252 misc 350.8925 (pause 0.46) 351.3502 253 misc 351.3502 a package a day. 352.0315 254 DTA_int_05 352.3388 [] 353.1761 255 misc 352.4608 [] 352.8330 256 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 352.4852 [] 352.8147 257 DTA_int_05 356.6911 Yeah. 357.0844 258 DTA_int_05 357.0844 (pause 1.07) 358.1556 259 DTA_int_05 358.1556 Well, anyhow, going back to TV, you- you don't watch it much huh? You ever watch specials or anything like that? 362.2178 260 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 362.4907 Watch what? [Specials?] 363.5952 261 DTA_int_05 363.0887 [Specials.] Mm-hm. 363.8647 262 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 363.8576 Not too much. 364.5726 263 DTA_int_05 364.9499 News? 365.8052 264 DTA_int_05 365.8052 (pause 0.23) 366.0345 265 DTA_int_05 366.0345 Election [coverage?] 366.9912 266 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 366.5579 [Well, I-] I'll watch news quite a bit. Yeah, I used to. But now I 369.7188 267 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 370.1399 ever since it's warm, you know. 371.4599 268 DTA_int_05 371.8060 Yeah. 372.0073 269 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 372.5197 I- I- I don't stay in the house too much. 374.2059 270 DTA_int_05 374.2120 It's cooler out here huh? 375.0856 271 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 375.1161 Oh yeah. 375.4456 272 DTA_int_05 377.3847 Gee, looks like you keep your uh patio 379.3503 273 DTA_int_05 379.3503 (pause 0.48) 379.8301 274 DTA_int_05 379.8301 w- washed down pretty thoroughly [all the time. ] 381.7318 275 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 381.1725 [Y-] Well, we just- yeah- we just made this one, just put it in. 384.3564 276 DTA_int_05 384.5334 Oh yeah? 384.8751 277 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 384.9239 Mm. 385.3694 278 DTA_int_05 385.7376 It's one way to keep the dust down huh? 386.7912 279 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 386.8072 Yeah. This my first job, 388.2046 280 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 388.2046 (pause 0.18) 388.3877 281 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 388.3877 trying [to finish] the cement. Yeah. 390.0658 282 DTA_int_05 388.6014 [/Oh yeah?/] 389.0643 283 DTA_int_05 390.6693 Looks like you had some artists at work too huh? [.] 393.0064 284 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 392.5671 [It so- yeah. Some] of the kids, they wanted to 394.3308 285 DTA_int_05 394.4847 . 395.2780 286 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 395.2780 inscribe the names of 'em, go ahead. 396.7303 287 DTA_int_05 400.1194 Well, that's alright. 400.7480 288 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 401.6694 Now this side's a little bit better than that one over there. This was first one I put in. 405.1176 289 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 405.1176 (pause 1.32) 406.4413 290 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 406.4413 All d- I done it all last week, I finish up Saturday. 409.1340 291 DTA_int_05 410.6253 That's one thing about concrete, you don't have to mow it, no fertilizer for it. [.] 414.1481 292 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 413.0215 [Yeah. That's right.] 414.0617 293 DTA_int_05 414.8490 . 415.1955 294 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 415.2273 I put this one in thicker 416.4783 295 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 416.4783 (pause 1.00) 417.4761 296 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 417.4761 I didn't mi- mix it as /much/ as I did this side. 419.8145 297 DTA_int_05 420.1562 [Oh yeah?] 420.3332 298 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 420.2380 [See,] I saw my mistakes over there and I tried to correct it over here. 422.8351 299 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 424.2621 So I did a little bit better job here. 425.7328 300 DTA_int_05 426.2734 Mm-hm. 426.7262 301 DTA_int_05 426.7262 (pause 1.69) 428.4113 302 DTA_int_05 428.4113 I take it cement work's not your normal occupation [is it?] 430.9249 303 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 430.6081 [No, it isn't. .] 431.8286 304 DTA_int_05 431.1024 [.] 432.9402 305 DTA_int_05 434.6474 Yeah. 434.8792 306 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 437.9264 My occupation in fact is a tractor driver, high-lift operator. 440.7713 307 DTA_int_05 441.0182 Oh yeah? High-lift? 441.9378 308 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 442.0843 [Mm-hm.] 442.4134 309 DTA_int_05 442.0904 [Operate] in a factory? 442.9688 310 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 442.9935 Mm-hm. 443.3718 311 DTA_int_05 443.6891 Which factory is this? 444.5150 312 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 444.7652 /RD-WORK-3/. 445.4242 313 DTA_int_05 445.6598 Mm-hm 446.0028 314 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 446.3639 But I've been off now since last August ninth. 448.9777 315 DTA_int_05 449.1120 Oh yeah? 449.5624 316 DTA_int_05 449.5624 (pause 1.00) 450.5643 317 DTA_int_05 450.5643 Production slowed down [/is it?/] 451.7757 318 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 451.5682 [No.] They say I got a kidney infection or [something.] 453.7833 319 DTA_int_05 453.6247 [Oh] the kidney. [Those things are] bad huh? 455.2358 320 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 454.3586 [Mm.] 454.7064 321 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 457.2297 Taken almost a year to get it cleared up. 459.0356 322 DTA_int_05 460.2744 It's better now though huh? 461.3834 323 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 461.5177 It's better. I went to doctor. I went to hospital here 463.5849 324 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 463.5849 (pause 1.12) 464.7077 325 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 464.7077 Sunday night actually. 466.1514 326 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 466.1514 (pause 0.75) 466.9001 327 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 466.9001 Yeah. Sunday night. 467.6278 328 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 467.6278 (pause 0.28) 467.9064 329 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 467.9064 I had a bad headache, I couldn't get rid of it, and I called my doctor. 470.5049 330 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 470.5049 (pause 0.77) 471.2799 331 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 471.2799 Well, the onliest one- 472.1281 332 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 472.1281 (pause 0.33) 472.4576 333 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 472.4576 one of the doctors at th- in the office, it wasn't nobody in the office that's doing the- we called the calling service and he 476.3006 334 DTA_int_05 476.4612 Yeah. 476.6809 335 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 476.7053 told me to meet him at the /Ziegler/ Hospital over there. 478.4383 336 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 478.4383 (pause 0.75) 479.1838 337 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 479.1838 And we went over there. He didn't show up, but another doctor gave me a shot for headache, 482.0617 338 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 482.0617 (pause 0.90) 482.9611 339 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 482.9611 finally stopped. 483.9131 340 DTA_int_05 484.2609 Yeah. 484.4623 341 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 484.9321 So he checked my urine. It wasn't no /albumin/ it was showing 487.8861 342 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 487.8861 (pause 0.27) 488.1607 343 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 488.1607 all before. 488.9845 344 DTA_int_05 489.1248 Uh-huh. 489.4177 345 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 489.5705 But he said it was negative, it wasn't nothing. 491.0525 346 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 491.0525 (pause 0.67) 491.7177 347 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 491.7177 That was Sunday night. 492.5842 348 DTA_int_05 492.9732 Those kidney infections can really be dynamite can't they? huh? 495.2371 349 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 495.2859 Uh-huh. 495.7314 350 DTA_int_05 497.3163 This one just about killed you did it? 498.4635 351 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 498.7808 No, it didn't bother me too much. 500.2508 352 DTA_int_05 501.2832 Just hard to get rid of huh? 502.1192 353 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 502.1993 Mm-hm. 502.5533 354 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 502.5533 (pause 0.68) 503.2306 355 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 503.2306 It was discovered at the plant. 504.2558 356 DTA_int_05 505.1154 Oh yeah? 505.4213 357 DTA_int_05 505.4213 (pause 0.84) 506.2573 358 DTA_int_05 506.2573 You had headaches or something like that? 507.3729 359 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 507.9587 No. I didn't have n- 509.0937 360 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 509.0937 (pause 0.43) 509.5270 361 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 509.5270 I- my back used to pain 510.9475 362 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 510.9475 (pause 0.15) 511.0926 363 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 511.0926 some, so, by driving those tractors, there's a rough ride anyway you know. 514.8451 364 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 514.8451 (pause 0.65) 515.4920 365 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 515.4920 So whenever it started hurting, I just put on my- I had a wide safety belt to give you. 518.8358 366 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 518.8358 (pause 0.46) 519.2995 367 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 519.2995 I put the belt on and worked two or three days, I'd take it off, it didn't bother me so much. 523.2419 368 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 523.2419 (pause 1.05) 524.2915 369 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 524.2915 So I went to get my license renewed. 525.9146 370 DTA_int_05 526.2456 Yeah? 526.5004 371 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 526.4943 And they gave me a physical and they discover I had /albumin/ in my urine. 529.4261 372 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 530.0180 So I went to the hospital and they 531.4398 373 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 531.4398 (pause 0.27) 531.7144 374 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 531.7144 checked me to try to see where it was coming from, they checked my bladder and all checked. 534.6401 375 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 534.6401 (pause 0.52) 535.1587 376 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 535.1587 Third examination, they said only place that they could see where it was coming from 538.3350 377 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 538.3350 (pause 0.65) 538.9880 378 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 538.9880 was my kidneys. 539.9216 379 DTA_int_05 539.9445 Yeah? 540.2736 380 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 541.3205 So they've been treating it ever since, but 542.8033 381 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 542.8033 (pause 1.34) 544.1458 382 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 544.1458 it go up and down, up and down. 545.6703 383 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 545.6703 (pause 0.84) 546.5077 384 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 546.5077 Well Sunday I went over to the hospital, they give me another test and they said it was all cleared away. 550.4663 385 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 550.4663 (pause 1.44) 551.9064 386 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 551.9064 Sometime ago, it wasn't /coming/ though, you know. 553.6028 387 DTA_int_05 553.8559 Hm. 554.0896 388 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 554.4112 And I can't go back to work until it's 555.7018 389 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 555.7018 (pause 1.08) 556.7861 390 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 556.7861 just about clear. Now, they told me they will uh, accept me back if it's showing just a little. 561.1605 391 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 561.1605 (pause 1.08) 562.2378 392 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 562.2378 But now when I- I was out there last Monday evening, 564.6286 393 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 564.6286 (pause 0.46) 565.0907 394 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 565.0907 a week ago. 565.7653 395 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 565.7653 (pause 0.99) 566.7538 396 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 566.7538 And they said it was just about as high as it could go. 569.2139 397 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 569.2139 (pause 0.31) 569.5191 398 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 569.5191 [But] 569.8242 399 DTA_int_05 569.5191 [Oh yeah?] 569.9955 400 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 570.0185 Yeah. 570.3175 401 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 570.3175 (pause 0.89) 571.2082 402 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 571.2082 After almost a year. 572.3371 403 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 572.3371 (pause 1.48) 573.8199 404 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 573.8199 Now, I was surprised Sunday I went over there and he say it was 575.7933 405 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 575.7933 (pause 0.44) 576.2327 406 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 576.2327 all cleared away, 577.0015 407 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 577.0015 (pause 1.78) 578.7786 408 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 578.7786 So I'm waiting on my doctor now to write me a letter 580.9692 409 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 580.9692 (pause 1.68) 582.6534 410 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 582.6534 to go back to work. 583.4157 411 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 583.4157 (pause 1.31) 584.7251 412 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 584.7251 He wrote me one i- well he didn't write a letter they give me a little 587.2718 413 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 587.2718 (pause 0.63) 587.8987 414 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 587.8987 something on a prescription. I carried- they wouldn't accept it, they wanted the full detail, you know. 591.6271 415 DTA_int_05 591.8295 Yeah. 592.1407 416 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 592.5923 So 592.9462 417 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 592.9462 (pause 0.79) 593.7312 418 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 593.7312 I- I went back Monday evening 595.2140 419 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 595.2140 (pause 1.04) 596.2514 420 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 596.2514 and I told 'em about it. 597.2700 421 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 597.2700 (pause 0.82) 598.0915 422 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 598.0915 They say he'll try to have it ready by Wednesday. So, Wednesday, didn't have that ready, so we called in 602.0274 423 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 602.0274 (pause 0.52) 602.5522 424 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 602.5522 Friday. 603.1868 425 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 603.1868 (pause 0.59) 603.7793 426 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 603.7793 It wasn't ready. We called in Saturday, he was gone on a long vacation. So we gotta wait two weeks til he come back. 607.7501 427 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 607.7501 (pause 0.27) 608.0186 428 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 608.0186 I'm going back up there today. Maybe I can get some uh other doctor- 610.5266 429 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 610.5266 (pause 0.15) 610.6799 430 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 610.6799 I- 610.7990 431 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 610.7990 (pause 0.36) 611.1590 432 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 611.1590 doctor to wait on me. 612.0673 433 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 612.0673 (pause 0.87) 612.9352 434 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 612.9352 Something- see I've- it's about four or five doctors 615.2662 435 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 615.2662 (pause 0.95) 616.2120 436 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 616.2120 in the office I've been at. All of 'em wait on me but except one. 618.8020 437 DTA_int_05 619.0262 Mm. 619.2238 438 DTA_int_05 619.2238 (pause 0.22) 619.4484 439 DTA_int_05 619.4484 [Yeah.] 619.8023 440 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 619.5765 [But all] the rest of 'em, when- when we call, they claim they didn't know anything about the case, you know. [So I got] 623.0817 441 DTA_int_05 622.7341 [Uh-huh.] 623.0817 442 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 624.2350 /can't/ wait until this uh, doctor come back from his vacation. 627.0984 443 DTA_int_05 627.6965 Makes it sort of hard to make a living that way [doesn't it?] 629.2769 444 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 629.1060 [Really.] 629.5881 445 DTA_int_05 631.6935 You think this driving the tractor actually contributes to your kidney problems? 634.5596 446 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 636.1855 I don't know. It could have. 637.5767 447 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 637.5767 (pause 0.36) 637.9400 448 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 637.9400 So I was aksing the doctor did he think so, he said well, 640.0987 449 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 640.0987 (pause 0.29) 640.3916 450 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 640.3916 he didn't think so. He say it coulda happen a million different ways he said. 642.9153 451 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 642.9153 (pause 0.65) 643.5682 452 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 643.5682 Maybe my- uh, I- I coulda been jarred some way the kidney tilted and wasn't thrown off a ways, and build up, 649.2076 453 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 649.2076 (pause 0.13) 649.3419 454 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 649.3419 like that, you know. Mm-hm. 650.5806 455 DTA_int_05 650.5623 Hm. 650.8186 456 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 651.1969 He said ca- a lot of things could've caused it, but he didn't say- he- he- didn't think the tractor had anything to do with it. 656.0169 457 DTA_int_05 657.7573 Don't uh, truck drivers /?/ problems with their kidneys as well? 660.3387 458 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 660.3693 Boy, they have trouble with their back, I don't know about their kidneys, a lot of 'em though. 662.8901 459 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 662.8901 (pause 0.35) 663.2440 460 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 663.2440 I drove a truck for a short while once, as a part time job. 665.9722 461 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 665.9722 (pause 0.49) 666.4632 462 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 666.4632 My back used to bother me then, you know, shaking up and down, there's a lot of 669.6054 463 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 669.6054 (pause 0.86) 670.4658 464 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 670.4658 rough riding. 671.2652 465 DTA_int_05 672.5560 Yeah. 672.9222 466 DTA_int_05 672.9222 (pause 1.58) 674.5019 467 DTA_int_05 674.5019 Yeah, that's too bad. 675.2431 468 DTA_int_05 675.2431 (pause 2.28) 677.5192 469 DTA_int_05 677.5192 Those forklift trucks- trucks all burn propane nowadays do they? 680.3860 470 DTA_int_05 680.3860 (pause 0.16) 680.5508 471 DTA_int_05 680.5508 Is an [inside factory?] 681.8652 472 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 681.0232 [Mm.] 681.9324 473 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 682.6758 It's inside, but we drive in and out, 684.2457 474 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 684.2457 (pause 0.10) 684.3505 475 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 684.3505 you know, it's- 684.7739 476 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 684.7739 (pause 0.18) 684.9553 477 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 684.9553 large place. /Yeah./ Some- 686.2578 478 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 686.2578 (pause 0.20) 686.4591 479 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 686.4591 we used to have the propane. 687.7144 480 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 687.7144 (pause 1.10) 688.8127 481 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 688.8127 At first it started with gasoline, 690.2873 482 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 690.2873 (pause 0.39) 690.6784 483 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 690.6784 so then they got the idea that propane probably was better so they went to the propane. 694.7727 484 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 694.7727 (pause 0.30) 695.0757 485 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 695.0757 And during the winters, they had trouble with it freezing up. 697.2481 486 DTA_int_05 697.4799 Oh yeah? 697.8827 487 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 697.8949 And I'd shut the tank off and the carburetor would 699.8247 488 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 699.8247 (pause 0.31) 700.1361 489 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 700.1361 moist up, so you'd have to take 701.4785 490 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 701.4785 (pause 0.46) 701.9423 491 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 701.9423 hot brick or something to heat 'em to thaw 'em out, you see. 704.3586 492 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 704.3586 (pause 0.74) 705.0985 493 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 705.0985 So they got away from the propane and went to a diesel. 707.0573 494 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 707.0573 (pause 0.73) 707.7878 495 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 707.7878 That's wa- 708.2332 496 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 708.2332 (pause 0.41) 708.6482 497 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 708.6482 it was better. 709.5147 498 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 709.5147 (pause 0.56) 710.0700 499 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 710.0700 But even uh 710.8388 500 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 710.8388 (pause 0.22) 711.0585 501 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 711.0585 cold weather, leave 'em sitting outside, you have trouble starting 'em then. You had to have the /?/ diesel to start it. 715.0650 502 DTA_int_05 715.9315 Well, if you're in a building with all those fumes, that's pretty rough isn't it? 718.8932 503 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 719.1800 Well, 719.7690 504 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 719.7690 (pause 0.28) 720.0501 505 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 720.0501 it's not too bad. 720.8983 506 DTA_int_05 721.1668 Not too bad huh? 721.8686 507 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 721.8686 /But/ of course, the building's all large, you know. 724.1093 508 DTA_int_05 724.1765 Yeah. 724.5663 509 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 725.3774 Mm. Draft comes in and out. 727.0049 510 DTA_int_05 728.4091 Mm-hm. 728.7447 511 DTA_int_05 728.7447 (pause 1.43) 730.1796 512 DTA_int_05 730.1796 You know, I had a friend that had a real problem with that working in one of those factories. 734.0849 513 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 735.3710 The only problem we have, sometime we ha- we work with the 738.1170 514 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 738.1170 (pause 0.61) 738.7300 515 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 738.7300 the one with the bucket on the front. 740.1396 516 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 740.1396 (pause 0.83) 740.9695 517 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 740.9695 Unload this 741.7018 518 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 741.7018 (pause 1.67) 743.3719 519 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 743.3719 manganese had to put it into the steel, well i- w- 745.7762 520 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 745.7762 (pause 0.26) 746.0360 521 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 746.0360 they unload that of a box car 747.4578 522 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 747.4578 (pause 0.29) 747.7507 523 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 747.7507 well, you get quite a bit of fumes there inside the car, you know. 749.9211 524 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 749.9211 (pause 0.31) 750.2340 525 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 750.2340 Both those be open with steel, they- 751.4667 526 DTA_int_05 751.6619 [Yeah.] 752.0280 527 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 751.8877 [small] area, you- you get some fumes, you know. 753.8160 528 DTA_int_05 755.1070 I th- I had thought- I was talking to a guy here who worked here for a propane company, uh 759.6432 529 DTA_int_05 759.6432 (pause 0.38) 760.0276 530 DTA_int_05 760.0276 he said that- the unions required it if you were operating forklifts inside a building, it had to be propane, isn't that right? 766.2874 531 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 767.0075 No. 767.3431 532 DTA_int_05 768.0983 Doesn't have to be huh? 768.8000 533 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 768.8366 Don't have to be, no. 769.5628 534 DTA_int_05 769.8313 But you're a union member, aren't you? 771.1118 535 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 771.1972 [Yes.] 771.6477 536 DTA_int_05 771.5024 [Mm-hm.] 771.8990 537 DTA_int_05 772.5153 I thought that's what the case was? 773.9554 538 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 775.9943 Maybe a small building. 777.1598 539 DTA_int_05 777.2818 [Yeah.] 777.6296 540 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 777.5930 [You] know, maybe if it's /oversee-/ 778.8012 541 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 779.3504 in a steel mill, it's all large and all the buildings are real large [you know.] 782.5424 542 DTA_int_05 782.2739 [Yeah.] 782.6217 543 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 782.8414 And so it's got plenty of draft 784.4029 544 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 784.4029 (pause 0.66) 785.0620 545 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 785.0620 ventilation [in there.] 785.8553 546 DTA_int_05 785.5440 [] /inaudible/ 786.3251 547 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 786.4045 Just hot around the furnaces 788.0677 548 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 788.0677 (pause 0.43) 788.5010 549 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 788.5010 where they melting steel, you know. 789.6787 550 DTA_int_05 789.7458 Yeah. 790.0701 551 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 792.3100 I imagine in something like a warehouse, maybe, you know, something small 794.8962 552 DTA_int_05 795.2257 Yeah. 795.5613 553 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 795.9641 might require 797.4042 554 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 797.4042 (pause 0.44) 797.8435 555 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 797.8435 propane. 798.4537 556 DTA_int_05 799.9329 Yeah, maybe. 800.5714 557 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 800.8850 Hm. 801.1840 558 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 801.1840 (pause 0.54) 801.7269 559 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 801.7269 801.8184 560 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 801.8184 (pause 0.42) 802.2395 561 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 802.2395 But all large areas, you 803.3802 562 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 803.3802 (pause 0.17) 803.5455 563 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 803.5455 wa- you- you use most anything. Propane, gasoline, you know. 806.8581 564 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 806.8581 (pause 0.44) 807.2974 565 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 807.2974 Cause we had 'em all. 808.1203 566 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 808.1203 (pause 3.76) 811.8844 567 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 811.8844 And they got away from the gasoline it's claimed because the engine in the propane lasts longer. 815.8996 568 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 815.8996 (pause 0.63) 816.5281 569 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 816.5281 Now well, they run twenty-four hours a day, those machines and the- engines burn out pretty quick, [you know.] 820.4929 570 DTA_int_05 820.1085 [Yeah.] 820.4337 571 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 821.6689 Of course it's three turns. 823.1778 572 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 823.1778 (pause 0.79) 823.9711 573 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 823.9711 Days, afternoons, and midnights, and each turn we use the same machines, it continues going, you see. 828.1114 574 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 828.1114 (pause 0.70) 828.8132 575 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 828.8132 Well they said the uh, propane 830.2957 576 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 830.2957 (pause 0.20) 830.4971 577 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 830.4971 engine held up longer 831.7419 578 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 831.7419 (pause 0.73) 832.4742 579 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 832.4742 than the gasoline. 833.3163 580 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 833.3163 (pause 0.49) 833.8077 581 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 833.8077 They had so much trouble out of propane then they went back to- went to diesel. 837.1455 582 DTA_int_05 838.8348 [Mm-hm.] 839.0966 583 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 838.8714 [They said] they was probably get 'em all diesel. Then they- well then they went back to some with gasoline. Some of the new ones they bought, one or two was gasoline. 845.0128 584 DTA_int_05 845.1409 Right. 845.4172 585 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 846.6481 I don't know whether they 847.7336 586 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 847.7336 (pause 1.29) 849.0273 587 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 849.0273 having that much trouble, or maybe they get a better deal from different companies buying different machines I guess, I [don't know.] 854.0178 588 DTA_int_05 853.6997 [Yeah.] 853.9599 589 DTA_int_05 854.7378 Uh-huh. 855.1101 590 DTA_int_05 855.1101 (pause 1.80) 856.9126 591 DTA_int_05 856.9126 Well, 857.3581 592 DTA_int_05 857.3581 (pause 1.78) 859.1399 593 DTA_int_05 859.1399 tell me, when you were a kid, did you have a pet? 860.7361 594 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 861.8222 I had a dog, yeah. 862.7924 595 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 862.7924 (pause 0.91) 863.7026 596 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 863.7026 /Well had a/ 864.7443 597 DTA_int_05 864.9833 Mm-hm. 865.3057 598 DTA_int_05 865.3057 (pause 1.68) 866.9899 599 DTA_int_05 866.9899 Did you uh 867.6067 600 DTA_int_05 867.6067 (pause 0.39) 867.9985 601 DTA_int_05 867.9985 you grew up here in Detroit did you? 869.1623 602 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 869.1745 No. 869.5435 603 DTA_int_05 869.6903 Yeah? 869.8608 604 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 869.9096 I grew up in- in Virginia. 871.0141 605 DTA_int_05 871.2704 Uh-huh. 871.6003 606 DTA_int_05 871.6003 (pause 1.14) 872.7399 607 DTA_int_05 872.7399 Out in the country? 873.3649 608 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 873.6711 No, this was a small town. 874.7391 609 DTA_int_05 876.3013 Mm-hm. /Dog/ out there. You really like this dog? 878.1046 610 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 878.8735 W- Oh yeah. 879.5142 611 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 879.5142 (pause 1.63) 881.1393 612 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 881.1393 Well, I was small though when I had this idea when I went- now see now. 884.1782 613 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 884.1782 (pause 0.92) 885.1012 614 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 885.1012 I got about f- 886.2606 615 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 886.2606 (pause 0.98) 887.2431 616 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 887.2431 fourteen, I had a d- 888.5734 617 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 888.5734 (pause 0.54) 889.1151 618 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 889.1151 German police. 890.0304 619 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 890.0304 (pause 1.13) 891.1654 620 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 891.1654 We kept him for a good while, I- I rather I was real attached to him, then he got killed. He got- He got killed by- 895.3149 621 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 895.3149 (pause 0.61) 895.9252 622 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 895.9252 We had him about two years after and then he finally got killed [once.] 898.7170 623 DTA_int_05 898.6316 [Yeah?] 898.9184 624 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 899.7080 And after that, we couldn't afford any more dogs, til here recently. 902.6004 625 DTA_int_05 903.9001 Kids have a dog do they? 904.6747 626 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 904.7785 Yeah, we got two, German Shepherds out there now. 906.5725 627 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 906.5725 (pause 0.21) 906.7800 628 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 906.7800 [pen out there now.] 907.5061 629 DTA_int_05 906.9785 [Oh yeah.] 907.3079 630 DTA_int_05 907.9577 That's a major proposition, feeding 'em isn't it? 909.6523 631 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 909.8292 Oh it is, they each quite a bit. 911.0314 632 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 911.0314 (pause 0.41) 911.4463 633 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 911.4463 [] 911.8002 634 DTA_int_05 911.6936 [] 912.3311 635 DTA_int_05 915.5601 Yeah, I guess you don't- you're not bothered with anybody coming around and 918.2145 636 DTA_int_05 918.2145 (pause 0.50) 918.7149 637 DTA_int_05 918.7149 looking in the windows at night [though huh?] 920.2160 638 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 919.8255 [Mm. Not] too much, [no.] 921.0302 639 DTA_int_05 920.9768 [] 921.7883 640 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 921.9104 Plus that one is a 922.8501 641 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 922.8501 (pause 0.20) 923.0515 642 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 923.0515 pretty good sized dog. See that- that's a puppy there, she's [about] 925.3205 643 DTA_int_05 925.1069 [Oh yeah.] 925.6195 644 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 926.7362 about eight months old now, that one. The other one's two years old. That- the other big one is the mother. 930.3349 645 DTA_int_05 930.7560 Yeah? 930.9899 646 DTA_int_05 930.9899 (pause 1.66) 932.6505 647 DTA_int_05 932.6505 You raise 'em, do you? 933.3522 648 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 933.5170 /?/ 933.7550 649 DTA_int_05 934.4689 You- you try to raise uh, pups from [her?] 936.0747 650 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 935.9770 [Mm.] No. She just- 937.6795 651 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 938.3874 she got in heat, some dog got to her and she had puppy. I did- I wouldn't intend for her to 941.7856 652 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 941.7856 (pause 0.27) 942.0601 653 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 942.0601 have any, no. 942.7741 654 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 942.7741 (pause 0.67) 943.4392 655 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 943.4392 Cause one's enough. 944.4446 656 DTA_int_05 944.5422 [] 945.5308 657 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 945.3111 [And] she had eight 946.0861 658 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 946.2874 in the litter and all the kids tw- 947.7625 659 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 947.7625 (pause 0.24) 948.0044 660 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 948.0044 each one wanted to keep one, said [no.] 950.0907 661 DTA_int_05 949.9687 [] 951.7017 662 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 951.4397 [It's] pick one who maybe we'll keep 953.1972 663 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 953.5539 the mother and one other one, besides that's too much. 955.8930 664 DTA_int_05 956.3324 956.6985 665 DTA_int_05 956.6985 (pause 0.93) 957.6321 666 DTA_int_05 957.6321 958.3400 667 DTA_int_05 958.3400 (pause 1.45) 959.7894 668 DTA_int_05 959.7894 So you had to give the rest away, huh? 960.8955 669 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 961.2661 Mm-hm. 961.7338 670 DTA_int_05 964.6341 Yeah. 965.5372 671 DTA_int_05 965.5372 (pause 2.87) 968.4070 672 DTA_int_05 968.4070 Yeah. 969.1027 673 DTA_int_05 969.1027 (pause 0.77) 969.8777 674 DTA_int_05 969.8777 Tell me uh, when you were a kid was there any way you could get a wish? 972.3368 675 DTA_int_05 972.3368 (pause 1.36) 973.7008 676 DTA_int_05 973.7008 Make a wish come true? 974.5917 677 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 976.3674 Mm. I never did try, I don't think too much. 978.2982 678 DTA_int_05 979.0000 You had this business though about uh, for instance, the uh, chicken bone, huh? 982.0737 679 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 983.3024 Well yeah. We- we used to 984.4069 680 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 984.4069 (pause 0.61) 985.0122 681 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 985.0122 tries a lot of time, pull on it, would catch the wishbone. 987.8008 682 DTA_int_05 989.1677 Didn't help though? 989.8025 683 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 990.1912 Mm. I don't think so. I didn't pay too much attention to it anyway, uh you know. 992.9267 684 DTA_int_05 992.9755 Huh. 993.1464 685 DTA_int_05 993.1464 (pause 3.00) 996.1472 686 DTA_int_05 996.1472 Yeah. 996.4630 687 DTA_int_05 996.4630 (pause 2.78) 999.2466 688 DTA_int_05 999.2466 You went to school in Virginia did you? 1000.7675 689 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1000.7761 Yes. 1001.1544 690 DTA_int_05 1001.5023 Uh. What was your school like down there? 1002.7873 691 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1005.5143 Oh. 1006.0086 692 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1006.0086 (pause 2.44) 1008.4494 693 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1008.4494 Wasn't too bad. 1009.2030 694 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1009.2030 (pause 0.51) 1009.7126 695 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1009.7126 They- they had pretty nice schools there. 1011.1970 696 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1011.1970 (pause 0.52) 1011.7218 697 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1011.7218 1011.7828 698 DTA_int_05 1012.6310 When I was a kid I went to one of these uh 1014.6861 699 DTA_int_05 1014.6861 (pause 0.92) 1015.6014 700 DTA_int_05 1015.6014 I guess it was 1016.1567 701 DTA_int_05 1016.1567 (pause 1.31) 1017.4703 702 DTA_int_05 1017.4703 three grades in one room I guess it was. 1019.2033 703 DTA_int_05 1019.2033 (pause 0.67) 1019.8684 704 DTA_int_05 1019.8684 Three grades at once. Or maybe it was even more, four grades. 1022.3617 705 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1022.8926 We only had one grade 1023.9477 706 DTA_int_05 1024.2894 You only [had.] 1024.6942 707 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1024.5884 [one room.] 1025.2414 708 DTA_int_05 1025.5970 I was way out in the country. [I was] raised in British Columbia, Canada. 1028.8707 709 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1026.9424 [Oh huh.] 1027.2841 710 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1030.2253 This little small town. 1031.5134 711 DTA_int_05 1031.7880 Yeah. 1032.1325 712 DTA_int_05 1032.1325 (pause 1.80) 1033.9362 713 DTA_int_05 1033.9362 We used to have grade one would sit in one row and grade [two in another row] and grade three in another row and so on and so forth. 1039.0038 714 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1036.3860 [ Oh yeah.] 1036.9779 715 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1039.0953 So they built a new school, it's pretty good sized. 1041.2391 716 DTA_int_05 1041.3185 Yeah. 1041.6236 717 DTA_int_05 1041.6236 (pause 6.15) 1047.7767 718 DTA_int_05 1047.7767 What are some of the items of furniture you could see from your desk in the classroom when you were a kid? 1051.2000 719 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1053.2291 What is what? 1053.7782 720 DTA_int_05 1054.2847 What are some of the pieces of furniture that you could see 1056.7297 721 DTA_int_05 1056.7297 (pause 0.36) 1057.0897 722 DTA_int_05 1057.0897 from your desk 1057.6688 723 DTA_int_05 1057.6688 (pause 0.60) 1058.2729 724 DTA_int_05 1058.2729 as a kid 1058.7649 725 DTA_int_05 1058.7649 (pause 0.49) 1059.2548 726 DTA_int_05 1059.2548 in the classroom? 1059.8672 727 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1062.5108 Uh. Couldn't see anything but the 1063.6946 728 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1063.6946 (pause 0.70) 1064.3962 729 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1064.3962 teacher's desk up [front.] 1065.4824 730 DTA_int_05 1065.2187 [Uh-huh.] 1065.4824 731 DTA_int_05 1066.0926 Did she have something to sit on? 1066.9652 732 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1067.5027 Yeah, she had a chair. 1068.3816 733 DTA_int_05 1068.3882 Mm-hm. 1068.6581 734 DTA_int_05 1068.6581 (pause 0.56) 1069.2181 735 DTA_int_05 1069.2181 She had something at the front though /uh/ write on did she? 1071.6711 736 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1072.8366 To write on? 1073.4596 737 DTA_int_05 1073.4596 Yeah 1073.9327 738 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1074.3078 Was it a blackboard on the wall? 1075.7135 739 DTA_int_05 1075.7074 Mm-hm. 1076.0369 740 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1076.1162 Yes. 1076.4790 741 DTA_int_05 1077.3882 Well, i- you understand we're just interested in the [way you say] these words. That's [/why/ we're] after 'em, you know. 1081.2816 742 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1078.9992 [Mm-hm.] 1079.4141 743 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1079.4141 (pause 0.62) 1080.0367 744 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1080.0367 [Mm-hm.] 1080.3720 745 DTA_int_05 1081.9048 If I pronounce 'em for you, you know, it's sort of- might influence your [pronunciation], so uh we don't do it that way. 1086.3893 746 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1084.5121 [Oh yeah.] 1085.0674 747 DTA_int_05 1088.3166 And i- if you step outside the classroom, you're in what part of the building? 1091.3557 748 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1091.8996 Hallway. 1092.5526 749 DTA_int_05 1092.6075 Mm-hm. 1093.0346 750 DTA_int_05 1093.0346 (pause 0.57) 1093.6021 751 DTA_int_05 1093.6021 And if you were thirsty, you would go to the? 1095.5609 752 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1095.6646 Fountain. 1096.0976 753 DTA_int_05 1096.0976 Mm-hm. 1096.5301 754 DTA_int_05 1096.5301 (pause 0.43) 1096.9641 755 DTA_int_05 1096.9641 And uh. 1097.8978 756 DTA_int_05 1097.8978 (pause 0.51) 1098.4104 757 DTA_int_05 1098.4104 Did you have uh, things out in the hallway to keep your stuff in? 1101.0112 758 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1103.4605 No. We left our things in the desk. I don't think there was no lockers, no. 1106.7784 759 DTA_int_05 1107.0400 No. 1107.2940 760 DTA_int_05 1107.2940 (pause 0.97) 1108.2649 761 DTA_int_05 1108.2649 Nowadays, most of the- at least, the high schools have [lockers.] 1110.1138 762 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1109.6684 [Have lockers] yeah. 1110.5778 763 DTA_int_05 1110.5778 Mm-hm. 1110.8290 764 DTA_int_05 1110.8290 (pause 0.60) 1111.4321 765 DTA_int_05 1111.4321 Yeah. 1111.6396 766 DTA_int_05 1111.6396 (pause 0.88) 1112.5174 767 DTA_int_05 1112.5174 Uh. I- 1113.1032 768 DTA_int_05 1113.1032 (pause 1.18) 1114.2870 769 DTA_int_05 1114.2870 In the playground, uh, they used to have what kinds of equipment at your school? 1117.2001 770 DTA_int_05 1117.2001 (pause 1.37) 1118.5670 771 DTA_int_05 1118.5670 Or what do you see, what kinds of equipment do you see in playgrounds, sinc- for instance in the city of Detroit? 1122.2284 772 DTA_int_05 1122.2284 (pause 0.38) 1122.6069 773 DTA_int_05 1122.6069 /inaudible/ 1123.2929 774 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1126.5226 Hm. 1127.1636 775 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1127.1636 (pause 0.45) 1127.6112 776 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1127.6112 I never paid too much [attention.] 1128.9879 777 DTA_int_05 1128.7438 [] 1129.7324 778 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1129.5737 [] 1129.7446 779 DTA_int_05 1130.5215 They have these things you- you go back and forth on like this. 1132.9074 780 DTA_int_05 1132.9074 (pause 0.75) 1133.6612 781 DTA_int_05 1133.6612 They are the- 1134.3414 782 DTA_int_05 1134.3414 (pause 1.83) 1136.1717 783 DTA_int_05 1136.1717 [The kids always] want you to push 'em on 'em. 1137.4104 784 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1136.2547 [Mm.] 1136.6368 785 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1139.0304 Well, we used to live off 1140.1349 786 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1140.1349 (pause 0.49) 1140.6230 787 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1140.6230 1140.7338 788 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1140.7338 (pause 0.25) 1140.9840 789 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1140.9840 behind the playground here on Elmwood. 1142.8120 790 DTA_int_05 1142.9768 Yeah. 1143.3246 791 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1144.1667 They had one thing they called a swinging gate. 1145.8952 792 DTA_int_05 1146.2552 Uh-huh. 1146.6641 793 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1148.3788 And they had swings. 1149.3596 794 DTA_int_05 1149.5060 Uh-huh. 1149.9026 795 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1151.1749 Uh. And a slide [I think.] Yeah. [I think they] had a slide board and the swing. 1154.2017 796 DTA_int_05 1151.9471 [/inaudible/] 1152.1545 797 DTA_int_05 1152.1545 (pause 0.40) 1152.5573 798 DTA_int_05 1152.5573 [/inaudible/] 1152.9234 799 DTA_int_05 1155.7492 How about the things that go up and down like this? 1157.4868 800 DTA_int_05 1157.4868 (pause 0.43) 1157.9139 801 DTA_int_05 1157.9139 One kid on each end. Call that [a?] 1159.6322 802 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1159.4889 [A] teeter-tot or what 1160.5033 803 DTA_int_05 1160.5445 Uh-huh. 1160.8679 804 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1161.4317 No they- I don't think they had any. 1162.9817 805 DTA_int_05 1164.3822 Do they have this, uh, you notice, nowadays, they- they put all these pipes together 1167.9728 806 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1168.3939 [Oh. Yeah.] 1169.1872 807 DTA_int_05 1168.3939 [and they.] 1168.7654 808 DTA_int_05 1169.3709 What do you call those? 1170.1010 809 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1170.7316 Hm. 1171.7324 810 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1171.7324 (pause 4.29) 1176.0216 811 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1176.0216 Hm. I [don't know. (laughing)] 1176.8537 812 DTA_int_05 1176.4998 [The one that] scares you [completely. I get it-] 1179.5165 813 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1177.6552 [Really.] 1178.2023 814 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1179.7424 I know what you're talking about, the ones the, uh, 1181.0661 815 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1181.0661 (pause 0.13) 1181.2010 816 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1181.2010 cause I used to go and climb through 'em myself. Climb up [and over] in different ones. 1185.0748 817 DTA_int_05 1183.7639 [Mm-hm.] 1184.2093 818 DTA_int_05 1186.8868 Mm-hm. You ever heard of the names like jungle gym? 1188.6688 819 DTA_int_05 1188.6688 (pause 0.78) 1189.4499 820 DTA_int_05 1189.4499 [Monkey bars?] 1190.2127 821 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1189.5415 [Yeah.] 1189.8738 822 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1189.8738 (pause 0.28) 1190.1578 823 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1190.1578 [I] ha- I've heard that. 1191.1585 824 DTA_int_05 1191.5497 Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Very good. 1192.6236 825 DTA_int_05 1192.6236 (pause 1.85) 1194.4728 826 DTA_int_05 1194.4728 What do- what do the kids do around here after school's out? 1197.0608 827 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1198.8243 Around here? 1199.3310 828 DTA_int_05 1199.5507 Yeah. 1199.9044 829 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1200.6672 Well, most of 'em go up to the recreation center here. They ha- they have skating up there. 1204.3911 830 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1204.3911 (pause 0.78) 1205.1758 831 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1205.1758 They have square dancing. 1206.3352 832 DTA_int_05 1206.3574 Mm-hm. 1206.7444 833 DTA_int_05 1206.7444 (pause 1.61) 1208.3565 834 DTA_int_05 1208.3565 [How about when] you were a kid? What'd you used to do? 1209.9297 835 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1208.4114 [Yeah.] 1208.8019 836 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1211.5422 Oh I used to fish a lot. 1212.6894 837 DTA_int_05 1213.0267 Uh-huh. 1213.4218 838 DTA_int_05 1213.4218 (pause 2.23) 1215.6532 839 DTA_int_05 1215.6532 I bet you miss that. 1216.3367 840 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1216.8861 /Well, you know./ 1217.3986 841 DTA_int_05 1217.6000 [] 1218.2224 842 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1217.7465 [I still go] once in a while now. (laughing) 1219.4673 843 DTA_int_05 1219.8334 You have to go miles though here before you [can get anything to fish.] 1222.6301 844 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1221.6416 [Well, not too far] /i-/ right down the river here. 1224.2502 845 DTA_int_05 1224.3448 Yeah. 1224.6773 846 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1224.7140 Down at the foot of Mount Elliott and /Lights/ Street there. 1227.5702 847 DTA_int_05 1227.7654 And you fish in there /??/? (laughing) 1229.1326 848 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1229.2973 Well, it's pretty good fishing. Well, for the last two or three weeks, I- I went a couple times, they wasn't biting too well. 1233.8580 849 DTA_int_05 1233.9330 Yeah. 1234.3523 850 DTA_int_05 1234.3523 (pause 1.75) 1236.1018 851 DTA_int_05 1236.1018 [I see.] 1236.6510 852 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1236.1097 [But] 1236.3459 853 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1236.3459 (pause 0.31) 1236.6510 854 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1236.6510 it used to, uh, used to be good fishing down there though. 1238.9901 855 DTA_int_05 1239.8736 Something about fishing isn't there? 1240.9853 856 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1241.3880 Well, i- it relax you for one thing. (laughing) 1243.9257 857 DTA_int_05 1243.9257 1244.3406 858 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1244.3406 You have to have patience for it though. 1245.6270 859 DTA_int_05 1245.6270 1246.5925 860 DTA_int_05 1246.5925 (pause 3.90) 1250.4940 861 DTA_int_05 1250.4940 Uh. When you were a kid, did you ever have a teacher that hollered at you a lot at you? 1253.4492 862 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1253.5896 No. 1253.9862 863 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1253.9862 (pause 2.48) 1256.4636 864 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1256.4636 I was fortunate that the ones we had didn't. They didn't holler, it's pretty quiet. 1259.9750 865 DTA_int_05 1260.1793 // 1260.5892 866 DTA_int_05 1260.5892 (pause 0.85) 1261.4424 867 DTA_int_05 1261.4424 You remember any teacher you could describe as the best teacher you ever had? 1264.4121 868 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1269.4802 Well, let's see. 1270.4199 869 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1270.4199 (pause 2.51) 1272.9325 870 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1272.9325 Ms. /RD-NAME-1/ I think, the- the last one I had was about the best one, I think. 1276.2033 871 DTA_int_05 1276.5389 Why'd you like her? 1277.2284 872 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1278.0440 Uh. She was easy to get along with. She take a lot of patience with you. Cause I was seen to be hardly learn [anyway. ] 1283.3171 873 DTA_int_05 1282.2797 [ ] 1283.3964 874 DTA_int_05 1285.7509 /Yeah/. 1286.0560 875 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1286.4527 I didn't buckle down like I should anyways, you know. Well. 1289.2735 876 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1289.2735 (pause 0.59) 1289.8654 877 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1289.8654 Play a lot, I used to talk a lot [and] 1291.7865 878 DTA_int_05 1291.5485 [/inaudible/] 1291.8231 879 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1292.3418 mess with the 1292.9350 880 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1292.9350 (pause 0.99) 1293.9284 881 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1293.9284 childrens n- near me, like the desk right in front of me. I was always 1297.1892 882 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1297.1892 (pause 0.91) 1298.0984 883 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1298.0984 doing something, you know. 1299.1419 884 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1299.1419 (pause 0.51) 1299.6545 885 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1299.6545 make them holler or something. 1301.1395 886 DTA_int_05 1302.9603 I suppose nowadays, you really keep your kids at it though huh? 1305.2950 887 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1305.3011 Oh yeah. 1305.8686 888 DTA_int_05 1306.0395 [] 1307.0470 889 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1306.4516 [] 1306.6468 890 DTA_int_05 1308.6680 You encourage them to go [uh /inaudible/?] 1310.1297 891 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1309.6354 [I stay] right with 'em all the time, yeah. 1311.3806 892 DTA_int_05 1311.3928 Mm. 1311.6079 893 DTA_int_05 1311.6079 (pause 1.05) 1312.6548 894 DTA_int_05 1312.6548 You got some pretty good students in the family have [you?] 1314.2198 895 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1314.1742 [Oh] yeah. 1314.5892 896 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1316.3189 Very good. 1316.9047 897 DTA_int_05 1318.3382 You get a pretty good education down here too at /RD-SCHOOL-6/ [/inaudible/.] 1320.8834 898 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1320.6515 [Oh yeah.] 1321.1031 899 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1321.3655 Real good. 1322.0041 900 DTA_int_05 1327.0016 You never did have a teacher that you just couldn't stand huh? 1328.9945 901 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1329.6293 No. 1330.0382 902 DTA_int_05 1330.4531 They- did /they/ 1331.6003 903 DTA_int_05 1331.6003 (pause 0.27) 1331.8688 904 DTA_int_05 1331.8688 in those days, did they have any uh th- uh, thing they used to do special for kids that were really smart in the class? 1336.2038 905 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1340.2588 Mm. I don't remember, no. 1341.7722 906 DTA_int_05 1344.9985 Nowadays, they have things like honor rolls [and /that don't they?] 1347.6272 907 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1346.8461 [Yes.] 1347.3343 908 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1347.3343 (pause 0.27) 1347.6089 909 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1347.6089 Mm-hm. 1348.1276 910 DTA_int_05 1348.1520 But you can't remember what they had [back then.] 1349.6384 911 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1349.2357 [No.] 1349.6323 912 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1349.9618 I don- when I was growing- 1351.1701 913 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1351.1701 (pause 0.43) 1351.6033 914 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1351.6033 well, schools I was going, they didn't have any honor roll. 1353.6809 915 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1353.6809 (pause 2.08) 1355.7573 916 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1355.7573 Because if they did, I don't remember now. 1357.6978 917 DTA_int_05 1357.9540 Hm. 1358.3751 918 DTA_int_05 1358.3751 (pause 2.19) 1360.5673 919 DTA_int_05 1360.5673 They have anything they used to do with especially dumb kids? 1362.4833 920 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1364.1741 Mm. Not too much. 1365.1810 921 DTA_int_05 1365.6997 That was past the time when you used to stand in the corner [wearing a] dunce [cap? (laughing)] 1368.7527 922 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1367.6604 [] 1367.9960 923 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1367.9960 (pause 0.61) 1368.6063 924 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1368.6063 [Well] they had that too, I mean but that's mostly for if you be talking or 1371.7184 925 DTA_int_05 1371.8892 [] 1372.5116 926 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1371.9502 [chewing gum] in class, you know, to make you stand in the corner, you know. 1374.5495 927 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1374.8607 Stand on one leg or something like that for a while. 1377.0980 928 DTA_int_05 1380.5887 Yeah? 1380.9528 929 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1381.1359 Or th- 1381.5447 930 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1381.5447 (pause 0.71) 1382.2587 931 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1382.2587 throwing spit balls. You know, those- mos- some kids, well, they'll throw spitballs too in class. 1386.5631 932 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1386.5631 (pause 0.43) 1386.9902 933 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1386.9902 /Kids/. 1387.3624 934 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1387.3624 (pause 0.33) 1387.6928 935 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1387.6928 teacher's not looking, they wad up some papers and they wet it, and 1390.2069 936 DTA_int_05 1390.9208 [] 1391.4395 937 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1391.1161 [maybe] a rubber band, you know. And look all innocent afterwards, you know. 1394.1551 938 DTA_int_05 1394.3198 [] 1395.1314 939 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1394.8629 [Until] you get caught. 1396.1709 940 DTA_int_05 1401.4041 What- uh, what time did you used to go to school in the morning? 1403.5642 941 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1407.7170 I think I w- I think it was ten or nine. We had to be there at nine I think. 1410.6582 942 DTA_int_05 1410.6582 Mm-hm, and you'd get off at uh. 1412.5062 943 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1412.6771 Three o'clock I think it was. 1413.8731 944 DTA_int_05 1414.9500 If- if the minute hand is fifteen minutes after the hour, you say it's quarter. 1418.9593 945 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1419.8142 Quarter after. 1420.7784 946 DTA_int_05 1420.9258 Mm-hm. And if it's fifteen minutes to the hour, you say it's. 1424.2434 947 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1424.2867 It's a quarter to. 1425.0495 948 DTA_int_05 1425.0495 Mm-hm. 1425.5046 949 DTA_int_05 1425.5046 (pause 0.47) 1425.9770 950 DTA_int_05 1425.9770 And how about if it's straight up and down? 1427.5318 951 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1428.9852 Well, I would say- 1429.9088 952 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1429.9088 (pause 1.16) 1431.0700 953 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1431.0700 whatever, it's three thirty or four thirty. 1432.7543 954 DTA_int_05 1434.1151 Don't generally say it's half past? 1435.4514 955 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1435.9091 Not too much, no. 1437.0667 956 DTA_int_05 1439.0716 I don't think you find half past very much in Detroit. We- most people in Detroit use uh 1443.0259 957 DTA_int_05 1443.0259 (pause 1.37) 1444.3991 958 DTA_int_05 1444.3991 three thirty or [so.] 1445.1854 959 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1444.9359 [Mm-hm.] 1445.3691 960 DTA_int_05 1449.3275 Oh. Oh ho ho. 1450.9551 961 DTA_int_05 1450.9551 (pause 2.52) 1453.4728 962 DTA_int_05 1453.4728 Did- uh, 1454.0830 963 DTA_int_05 1454.0830 (pause 0.80) 1454.8824 964 DTA_int_05 1454.8824 when you were a kid, did they used to have gangs like they have nowadays? They have gangs quite often [/inaudible/] 1459.6725 965 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1458.3056 [Yeah.] 1458.6656 966 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1458.6656 (pause 0.87) 1459.5321 967 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1459.5321 [They] have. 1460.0874 968 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1461.1980 I n- I never did fool with 'em too much myself. 1463.5616 969 DTA_int_05 1463.7213 Uh-huh. 1464.0935 970 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1464.6366 I'd never go for gangs. 1465.8814 971 DTA_int_05 1468.8466 Were you what maybe what they'd call a loner, huh? 1471.2333 972 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1471.3973 Yeah, well, 1472.0042 973 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1472.0042 (pause 0.18) 1472.1816 974 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1472.1816 I- I s- 1472.8008 975 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1472.8008 (pause 1.57) 1474.3662 976 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1474.3662 well, and my father he was pretty strict [anyway, you know.] Yeah. 1477.0822 977 DTA_int_05 1476.2584 [Yeah.] 1476.6611 978 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1478.2050 That's one thing he was strictly against, 1480.0484 979 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1480.0484 (pause 0.34) 1480.3840 980 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1480.3840 being with a gang, cause around my neighborhood, it was pretty rough. Use- They used to fight a lot. 1484.1597 981 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1484.1597 (pause 0.69) 1484.8493 982 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1484.8493 Cause a lot of 'em used to 1485.4229 983 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1485.4229 (pause 0.40) 1485.8266 984 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1485.8266 pick on me because I wouldn't run with them, see. 1488.1881 985 DTA_int_05 1488.3224 Mm. 1488.6275 986 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1489.0035 /They tend to fight a lot that's coming around./ 1490.6745 987 DTA_int_05 1493.9309 You used to have a couple of friends though didn't you? 1495.4504 988 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1495.5053 Oh yeah. 1496.0827 989 DTA_int_05 1496.1420 Mm-hm. 1496.5569 990 DTA_int_05 1496.5569 (pause 4.78) 1501.3333 991 DTA_int_05 1501.3333 Did these gra- gangs very often have leaders formally? Sort of have somebody they appointed as a [leader?] 1505.3485 992 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1505.1838 [I think] so. Most of 'em do. 1506.7167 993 DTA_int_05 1506.7472 Mm-hm. 1507.1133 994 DTA_int_05 1507.1133 (pause 3.69) 1510.8030 995 DTA_int_05 1510.8030 Uh-huh. 1511.1935 996 DTA_int_05 1511.1935 (pause 2.88) 1514.0767 997 DTA_int_05 1514.0767 What's- uh, in Virginia, was there, uh, much uh, mixing with the- the whites and the 1518.3484 998 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1518.3911 No. Not- not- Not too much. [No.] 1520.0082 999 DTA_int_05 1519.7031 [Black] people. [Not so] much [yeah?] 1521.3384 1000 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1520.4752 [Mm.] 1520.7742 1001 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1520.7742 (pause 0.30) 1521.0732 1002 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1521.0732 [Not so] much, no. 1521.8798 1003 DTA_int_05 1523.0657 Do you find that's a problem here in Detroit too? 1524.9757 1004 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1525.7446 Mm. No, I don't think so. 1527.0632 1005 DTA_int_05 1527.7649 There are s- 1528.1498 1006 DTA_int_05 1528.1498 (pause 0.35) 1528.4976 1007 DTA_int_05 1528.4976 I noticed in some of these neighborhoods around here, there are some white uh, people aren't there? 1531.5427 1008 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1531.5427 Oh yeah. 1531.9730 1009 DTA_int_05 1533.5616 I suppose /RD-SCHOOL-6/ too, what is that about fifty-fifty is it? 1536.5163 1010 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1538.5605 Well. 1539.4050 1011 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1539.4050 (pause 3.39) 1542.7906 1012 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1542.7906 Uh, it's- it's more colored children I think than there is white children now. 1545.3903 1013 DTA_int_05 1545.4086 Hm. 1545.7808 1014 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1546.0615 I think so. 1546.7632 1015 DTA_int_05 1547.0439 Mm-hm. There are a considerable amount of whites there [too.] 1548.8382 1016 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1548.6549 [Yeah.] 1548.9539 1017 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1549.1858 It is. 1549.6923 1018 DTA_int_05 1551.7973 And are most of these kids you think uh 1553.8720 1019 DTA_int_05 1553.8720 (pause 0.41) 1554.2869 1020 DTA_int_05 1554.2869 say, Polish or Spanish or Hungarian or /??/? 1557.2462 1021 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1557.4232 Mm. 1558.1371 1022 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1558.1371 (pause 0.98) 1559.1158 1023 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1559.1158 Well, I haven't paid too much attention. 1560.3963 1024 DTA_int_05 1560.4024 Mm-hm. 1560.6474 1025 DTA_int_05 1560.6474 (pause 4.00) 1564.6496 1026 DTA_int_05 1564.6496 You think uh, Catholic schools are better than this- uh, on this point than a lot of the public schools here in Detroit? 1569.5801 1027 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1569.6045 I d- I- I think they're better, yeah. 1571.6615 1028 DTA_int_05 1571.7021 Hm. 1572.2045 1029 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1572.4913 More, is it- it's more they are 1574.0819 1030 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1574.0819 (pause 0.13) 1574.2101 1031 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1574.2101 more strict, I think t- disciplined more, you know. 1576.6455 1032 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1576.6455 (pause 1.34) 1577.9904 1033 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1577.9904 And it's- the children seem to learn more. 1579.8268 1034 DTA_int_05 1580.1123 Yeah. 1580.4540 1035 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1581.9527 Cause one public school, they don't seem, I don't know. 1583.7833 1036 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1583.7833 (pause 0.69) 1584.4699 1037 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1584.4699 It might be they had d- the rooms could be over filled. You know they don't have the 1588.3512 1038 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1588.3512 (pause 0.10) 1588.4480 1039 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1588.4480 time to put with the students like they should maybe. 1590.7811 1040 DTA_int_05 1590.7811 Hm. 1591.1777 1041 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1592.1113 I think that's one of the problems I think too. 1594.0016 1042 DTA_int_05 1595.4325 Course, maybe too, one of the problem here is dedication of teachers. No- in your Catholic schools, your teachers are generally pretty dedicated to their tasks [/inaudible/.] 1601.7239 1043 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1601.2506 [Yes they] are yeah. 1602.1171 1044 DTA_int_05 1602.6257 Whereas, in the public school, it's just another [job to them.] 1604.8148 1045 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1604.4451 [Just a] job. [Yeah.] 1605.2683 1046 DTA_int_05 1605.2012 [Mm-hm.] 1605.5063 1047 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1605.9401 Cause I know once we had 1606.9281 1048 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1606.9281 (pause 0.39) 1607.3186 1049 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1607.3186 went to school and watched one teacher said 1608.9063 1050 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1608.9063 (pause 0.54) 1609.4432 1051 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1609.4432 the ones that wanna learn she a /better/ teacher, and you know. And the ones that's not, they don't care, they just 1613.4509 1052 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1613.4509 (pause 0.31) 1613.7621 1053 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1613.7621 don't force as much, [you know.] 1614.9930 1054 DTA_int_05 1614.6557 [/inaudible/] 1615.1029 1055 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1615.1883 Yeah. 1615.5300 1056 DTA_int_05 1619.0720 How old's your oldest- oldest kid now? They about to turn- 1621.4579 1057 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1624.2517 Well, ms- my wife has /some/ children from when I married her.. 1626.4912 1058 DTA_int_05 1626.4912 Hm. 1626.7658 1059 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1626.7658 The oldest one's twenty-eight. 1627.9680 1060 DTA_int_05 1628.1327 Mm. 1628.4012 1061 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1628.9626 My oldest one is thirteen. 1630.7810 1062 DTA_int_05 1632.6024 Yeah. 1632.7976 1063 DTA_int_05 1632.7976 (pause 0.24) 1633.0417 1064 DTA_int_05 1633.0417 Trying to get him into college, are you? 1634.1574 1065 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1635.0030 Mm. [No.] 1636.1819 1066 DTA_int_05 1635.7755 [Is /inaudible/] 1636.3833 1067 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1636.4260 No. She's a girl. She's married, have a family of [her own,] she's been working for- at the post office. 1640.1239 1068 DTA_int_05 1638.2001 [Uh-huh.] 1638.6334 1069 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1644.3421 And most of the grown ups, they went to high school. 1646.6439 1070 DTA_int_05 1646.7232 Mm-hm. 1647.1737 1071 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1649.4151 I think only one finished. 1651.1603 1072 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1651.1603 (pause 1.43) 1652.5858 1073 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1652.5858 He f- after he finished after he 1654.0991 1074 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1654.0991 (pause 0.23) 1654.3262 1075 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1654.3262 went in the service. 1655.2354 1076 DTA_int_05 1655.3269 Mm-hm. 1655.6931 1077 DTA_int_05 1655.6931 (pause 7.42) 1663.1108 1078 DTA_int_05 1663.1108 What do they call this part of town here? 1664.5753 1079 DTA_int_05 1664.5753 (pause 1.46) 1666.0388 1080 DTA_int_05 1666.0388 Is there a special name for it? Is- is this the West Side? 1668.2233 1081 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1668.2233 No, this is the East Side. 1669.1477 1082 DTA_int_05 1669.2149 Oh really. 1669.6187 1083 DTA_int_05 1669.6187 (pause 1.06) 1670.6811 1084 DTA_int_05 1670.6811 Uh-huh. 1671.0534 1085 DTA_int_05 1671.0534 (pause 1.06) 1672.1151 1086 DTA_int_05 1672.1151 Are there any sort of boundaries for the East Side? How far do you go either way before you're, uh, out of the East Side? 1676.4542 1087 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1679.0858 Uh. Let's see. 1680.0011 1088 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1680.0011 (pause 1.55) 1681.5511 1089 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1681.5511 Well, the East Side starts on this side of Woodward. 1683.4250 1090 DTA_int_05 1683.6995 Mm-hm. 1684.1084 1091 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1684.1694 You can go 1684.6393 1092 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1684.6393 (pause 2.03) 1686.6646 1093 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1686.6646 oh, I don't know how far. 1687.5555 1094 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1687.5555 (pause 0.29) 1687.8484 1095 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1687.8484 Uh. I guess even 1688.9401 1096 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1688.9401 (pause 2.30) 1691.2362 1097 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1691.2362 I- I don't know whether it extends, whether it- they call it- at Grosse Pointe whether they call it East Side or not. 1695.8876 1098 DTA_int_05 1696.1927 Yeah. 1696.4246 1099 DTA_int_05 1696.4246 (pause 1.24) 1697.6633 1100 DTA_int_05 1697.6633 Goes as far as Grosse Pointe, huh? 1698.8239 1101 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1699.2440 I think so. 1700.0678 1102 DTA_int_05 1700.2631 Hm. 1700.5255 1103 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1701.5846 I mean that's ks- 1702.1216 1104 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1702.1216 (pause 0.43) 1702.5549 1105 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1702.5549 about far as east you can go and that's Grosse Pointe. /Yeah./ 1704.7700 1106 DTA_int_05 1705.6293 What is some of the main streets in Detroit? 1707.3790 1107 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1711.7918 Well, Woodward. 1712.5118 1108 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1712.5118 (pause 1.91) 1714.4181 1109 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1714.4181 Grand River. 1715.1565 1110 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1715.1565 (pause 2.96) 1718.1162 1111 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1718.1162 Uh. Let's see. 1719.2878 1112 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1719.2878 (pause 1.21) 1720.4983 1113 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1720.4983 Well, this Mount Elliott here is. 1721.9933 1114 DTA_int_05 1721.9811 Mm-hm. 1722.4266 1115 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1722.9209 Main Street. 1723.6775 1116 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1723.6775 (pause 1.53) 1725.2092 1117 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1725.2092 And then 1725.7950 1118 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1725.7950 (pause 0.45) 1726.2433 1119 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1726.2433 Kercheval. 1726.8352 1120 DTA_int_05 1727.1529 Mm-hm. 1727.5063 1121 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1728.9708 Charlevoix. 1730.0631 1122 DTA_int_05 1730.1068 Uh-huh. 1730.7048 1123 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1730.9428 One way going 1731.8947 1124 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1731.8947 (pause 1.13) 1733.0242 1125 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1733.0242 west. 1733.7015 1126 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1733.7015 (pause 1.17) 1734.8731 1127 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1734.8731 Vernor. 1735.4650 1128 DTA_int_05 1736.2034 Uh-huh. 1736.4780 1129 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1736.9868 Vernor Highway is what they call it. It's going 1739.3595 1130 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1739.3595 (pause 0.31) 1739.6708 1131 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1739.6708 east one way. 1740.8729 1132 DTA_int_05 1742.3556 What's the one that goes by University of Detroit? 1744.3632 1133 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1747.8086 /Cass/. 1748.4677 1134 DTA_int_05 1748.4982 It's call- it's called the street of fashion. You know that street? 1750.8353 1135 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1751.5374 Street of fashion. 1752.6358 1136 DTA_int_05 1753.2704 Starts with Liver. 1754.2285 1137 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1755.9981 Livernois? 1756.6580 1138 DTA_int_05 1756.6580 Uh-huh. 1757.0424 1139 DTA_int_05 1757.0424 (pause 0.71) 1757.7503 1140 DTA_int_05 1757.7503 How do you pronounce that again? 1758.7937 1141 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1759.1904 Livernois. 1759.9613 1142 DTA_int_05 1760.8598 You ever hear two different pronunciations of this in Detroit? 1762.8783 1143 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1763.0688 Well, I haven't paid too much attention. 1764.3429 1144 DTA_int_05 1764.4222 1765.9971 1145 DTA_int_05 1765.9971 (pause 0.43) 1766.4303 1146 DTA_int_05 1766.4303 Some people say Livernois and some people say Livernois. 1769.0191 1147 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1769.0984 Mm-hm. 1769.5927 1148 DTA_int_05 1769.8720 It's i- it's quite odd. 1770.8750 1149 DTA_int_05 1770.8750 (pause 0.72) 1771.5950 1150 DTA_int_05 1771.5950 How do you pronounce the name of the- um, this city? 1773.7613 1151 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1774.5332 Detroit. 1775.0397 1152 DTA_int_05 1775.2655 Mm-hm. 1775.5775 1153 DTA_int_05 1775.5775 (pause 0.35) 1775.9308 1154 DTA_int_05 1775.9308 /It's/ 1776.3640 1155 DTA_int_05 1776.3640 (pause 0.23) 1776.5962 1156 DTA_int_05 1776.5962 Sounds good. 1777.1022 1157 DTA_int_05 1777.1022 (pause 1.48) 1778.5850 1158 DTA_int_05 1778.5850 What are the expressways here in Detroit? 1779.9372 1159 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1781.7618 Well, we got the John C. Lodge. 1783.4833 1160 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1783.4833 (pause 2.36) 1785.8423 1161 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1785.8423 And the Edsel Ford. 1786.7935 1162 DTA_int_05 1792.3855 And those are the main ones [yeah?] 1793.3801 1163 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1793.3618 [Mm-hm.] 1793.8073 1164 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1794.5031 I think so. It's- I never paid too much attention. I- I don't travel them too much. 1797.9341 1165 DTA_int_05 1799.2464 You do enough driving on the job. [And that's the whole] weekend. [] 1802.5446 1166 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1800.7506 [Mm-hm.] 1801.2570 1167 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1801.2570 (pause 0.60) 1801.8612 1168 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1801.8612 [Really.] 1802.4502 1169 DTA_int_05 1802.9781 1804.1680 1170 DTA_int_05 1804.1680 (pause 2.05) 1806.2228 1171 DTA_int_05 1806.2228 You were born in West Virginia huh? or [Virginia?] 1808.1831 1172 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1807.9052 [No.] I was born in Alabama, [but I was raised] in Virginia mostly. Yeah. 1810.8174 1173 DTA_int_05 1809.3219 [/Oh yeah/.] 1809.6337 1174 DTA_int_05 1810.8448 Alright. 1811.1621 1175 DTA_int_05 1811.1621 (pause 4.05) 1815.2079 1176 DTA_int_05 1815.2079 Uh. Where- I- you've uh. So you were born in Alabama, you lived in Virg- Virginia. You lived in other towns besides Detroit and- in Virginia? 1821.4990 1177 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1823.1344 No. 1824.1046 1178 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1824.1046 (pause 0.52) 1824.6240 1179 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1824.6240 [Well, when I-] 1824.9580 1180 DTA_int_05 1824.6362 [/inaudible/] 1824.9474 1181 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1825.0861 When I first came here, we lived out in Ferndale. 1827.2784 1182 DTA_int_05 1827.4127 Oh yeah? 1827.7465 1183 DTA_int_05 1827.7465 (pause 0.15) 1827.8933 1184 DTA_int_05 1827.8933 [Ferndale, Michigan.] 1828.5050 1185 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1827.9741 [Yeah.] 1828.2991 1186 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1828.5538 Yeah. 1828.8345 1187 DTA_int_05 1833.5682 Do you go on trips sometimes? 1834.7276 1188 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1835.6727 Yes. [Sometime.] 1836.7817 1189 DTA_int_05 1836.3135 [Where do you generally] go? 1837.2532 1190 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1838.2296 Well, 1838.6750 1191 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1838.6750 (pause 0.74) 1839.4134 1192 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1839.4134 one summer, we w- we went to Virginia. [Take my] wife and kid. 1842.5743 1193 DTA_int_05 1841.5050 [Uh-huh.] 1841.7246 1194 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1843.2624 Last summer, we w- we went to Cleveland. 1844.9948 1195 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1844.9948 (pause 1.02) 1846.0112 1196 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1846.0112 Then we left Cleveland, and went to Chicago to visit my aunt. 1847.9513 1197 DTA_int_05 1854.9577 What do you celebrate on October thirty-first? 1856.8067 1198 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1857.9139 Halloween. 1858.6095 1199 DTA_int_05 1858.7225 Mm-hm. 1859.1700 1200 DTA_int_05 1859.1700 (pause 0.21) 1859.3845 1201 DTA_int_05 1859.3845 You used to celebrate this as a kid did [you?] 1860.8734 1202 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1860.7209 [Oh] yeah. (laughing) 1861.3250 1203 DTA_int_05 1862.9876 What'd you used to, uh, do on Halloween? 1865.0369 1204 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1866.9103 Well, 1867.4656 1205 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1867.4656 (pause 0.52) 1867.9904 1206 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1867.9904 we each wore a costume 1869.1251 1207 DTA_int_05 1871.6196 Go around and ring a [doorbell?] 1872.6509 1208 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1872.3702 [R- Ring] the doorbells and put garbage can in people's doors and 1875.5851 1209 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1875.8230 [] 1879.1994 1210 DTA_int_05 1876.1784 [] 1879.2868 1211 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1880.5133 Put something up against the door, ring the doorbell, it's open and fall in, you know. (laughing) 1883.3011 1212 DTA_int_05 1883.2970 [Yeah (laughing)] 1883.8279 1213 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1883.4987 [] 1884.3893 1214 DTA_int_05 1886.7081 Did you used to have any formula you used to say to- say to people when you rang that doorbell? 1890.2582 1215 DTA_int_05 1890.2582 (pause 0.64) 1890.9025 1216 DTA_int_05 1890.9025 Like nowadays, what [do they say when they're-] 1892.3204 1217 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1891.7140 [Trick or] treat. 1892.6416 1218 DTA_int_05 1892.6355 Yeah. 1893.1419 1219 DTA_int_05 1893.6789 Did you used to say this down in Virginia too? 1895.5143 1220 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1895.5265 No, not- not too much. 1896.8812 1221 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1896.8812 (pause 1.90) 1898.7772 1222 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1898.7772 Cause there 1899.5704 1223 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1899.5704 (pause 0.56) 1900.1278 1224 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1900.1278 1900.2539 1225 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1900.2539 (pause 1.29) 1901.5447 1226 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1901.5447 um, when I was a kid they used to say 1902.7835 1227 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1902.7835 (pause 0.79) 1903.5751 1228 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1903.5751 had a big truck I think, uh 1905.0315 1229 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1905.0315 (pause 0.86) 1905.8919 1230 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1905.8919 downtown Main Street, used to 1907.7680 1231 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1907.7680 (pause 0.86) 1908.6284 1232 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1908.6284 throw a lot of candy to most all the kids. 1910.6787 1233 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1910.6787 (pause 1.13) 1911.8123 1234 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1911.8123 They wouldn't n- they didn't give too much like they do now. They give t- door to door, and you know, they go ring the doors and say trick or treat, and you give a kid something. 1917.8768 1235 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1917.8768 (pause 0.52) 1918.3955 1236 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1918.3955 They didn't do that so much . 1919.4954 1237 DTA_int_05 1919.7395 Yeah. 1919.9958 1238 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1919.9958 Mostly downtown, they had a 1921.9118 1239 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1923.4252 big truck 1923.9927 1240 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1923.9927 (pause 0.58) 1924.5701 1241 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1924.5701 over used to come here, throw candy to all the kids standing around 1927.1147 1242 DTA_int_05 1927.3159 Yeah. 1927.5113 1243 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1928.4974 Cause they had the street blocked off, you know for traffic. 1930.3647 1244 DTA_int_05 1930.6637 Yeah. 1930.9200 1245 DTA_int_05 1930.9200 (pause 2.50) 1933.4174 1246 DTA_int_05 1933.4174 What's that vegetable that they make, uh, jack-o-lanterns out of? 1936.0536 1247 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1937.2130 Pumpkin. 1937.7195 1248 DTA_int_05 1937.8476 Mm-hm. 1938.2137 1249 DTA_int_05 1938.2137 (pause 0.49) 1938.7080 1250 DTA_int_05 1938.7080 And the lady in black is a 1940.0846 1251 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1940.5411 Witch. 1940.9804 1252 DTA_int_05 1941.0536 Mm-hm. 1941.4808 1253 DTA_int_05 1941.4808 (pause 0.60) 1942.0849 1254 DTA_int_05 1942.0849 Can you remember the way you used to celebrate Christmas as a kid? 1944.2544 1255 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1949.2929 Well, let's see. 1950.3303 1256 DTA_int_05 1955.0107 You used to have a special meal did you on that day? 1956.6075 1257 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1956.9797 Oh yeah. 1957.5533 1258 DTA_int_05 1958.3161 What'd you used to have? 1958.9202 1259 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1959.2619 Used to have- used to have turkey. 1960.5434 1260 DTA_int_05 1960.5861 Right. 1960.9522 1261 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1961.5664 Sometime 1962.2132 1262 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1962.2132 (pause 0.25) 1962.4634 1263 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1962.4634 turkey and ham. 1963.4032 1264 DTA_int_05 1966.2479 I have a [friend /?/-] 1967.0949 1265 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1966.7056 [They used] to make 1967.4684 1266 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1968.4142 bake cakes and pies, 1969.8970 1267 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1969.8970 (pause 1.44) 1971.3372 1268 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1971.3372 cookies, whatnot. 1972.1793 1269 DTA_int_05 1974.7645 I have a friend who came from 1976.0777 1270 DTA_int_05 1976.0777 (pause 0.11) 1976.1874 1271 DTA_int_05 1976.1874 the South, and he said that on Christmas, they used to have gumbo, is that right? 1978.9307 1272 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1980.1268 I- Well I never run into it myself. 1982.0128 1273 DTA_int_05 1982.0739 You di- you never did? 1982.7329 1274 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1982.8061 No. 1983.1967 1275 DTA_int_05 1985.1554 Well that was a special Christmas dish I suppose. [/inaudible/] 1987.2935 1276 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1987.1531 [I] imagine so. 1987.9952 1277 DTA_int_05 1989.2706 You heard of it though? 1989.9113 1278 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1990.1005 Yeah, I- I've heard of it yeah. 1991.3409 1279 DTA_int_05 1991.3593 Yeah, well, it wasn't a custom of your family. 1993.1821 1280 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 1993.2248 No. 1993.6886 1281 DTA_int_05 1996.7230 Kids used to fight much, uh, when you were younger? 1998.6879 1282 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2000.5525 Well, quite a bit. 2001.4373 1283 DTA_int_05 2004.5439 Nothing like the sort of fights you get in the town like Detroit though, huh? 2006.8229 1284 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2006.8347 No. 2007.1642 1285 DTA_int_05 2009.5136 It's really pretty bad some days [/inaudible/] 2011.6005 1286 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2010.6730 [Around here, yeah.] It's pretty bad. 2012.4609 1287 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2014.1969 Cause then uh, when we was coming up, we didn't use a lot like 2016.6927 1288 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2016.6927 (pause 0.59) 2017.2868 1289 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2017.2868 k- s- kids now use knives and gun. We didn't have to do that. /It/ was mostly all 2021.1668 1290 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2021.1668 (pause 0.43) 2021.6001 1291 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2021.6001 fight with your fists, you know. 2022.7344 1292 DTA_int_05 2025.3751 You ever get in a fight with a guy that's bigger than you? 2027.0714 1293 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2027.6145 Oh a lot of time. 2028.3346 1294 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2028.3346 (pause 0.37) 2028.7008 1295 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2028.7008 2028.9937 1296 DTA_int_05 2029.2952 What'd you do to him? (laughing) 2031.0135 1297 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2031.2210 I do the best I can. Sometime, when it get to tough, I [run. (laughing)] 2034.7861 1298 DTA_int_05 2034.2857 [] 2034.8105 1299 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2035.7326 I've never had too much trouble, uh, 2036.8859 1300 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2036.8859 (pause 0.68) 2037.5694 1301 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2037.5694 fighting one 2038.3748 1302 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2038.3748 (pause 1.34) 2039.7145 1303 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2039.7145 kid when I was coming up. L- Usually 2041.2095 1304 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2041.2095 (pause 0.40) 2041.6062 1305 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2041.6062 they always 2042.1371 1306 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2042.1371 (pause 0.49) 2042.6314 1307 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2042.6314 two or more used to- used to get after me, you know. [I'd fight] ti- you know, 2045.7864 1308 DTA_int_05 2045.0175 [Yeah.] 2045.2738 1309 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2046.8221 much as I could, and I'd get too- too rough, and I'd just cut out and [run.] 2049.8061 1310 DTA_int_05 2049.6352 [] 2051.4536 1311 DTA_int_05 2052.0535 Was there anything you could say to make the other guy get off you? Would you say uncle or I give or [something like this?] 2056.0369 1312 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2055.4418 [No.] 2055.8783 1313 DTA_int_05 2056.9828 You just use those two legs and [clear out of there. ] 2061.2274 1314 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2058.1422 [Mm-hm. Clear on out.] 2059.5188 1315 DTA_int_05 2062.0683 Uh-huh. 2062.4039 1316 DTA_int_05 2062.4039 (pause 0.53) 2062.9344 1317 DTA_int_05 2062.9344 Yeah. 2063.1846 1318 DTA_int_05 2063.1846 (pause 1.64) 2064.8204 1319 DTA_int_05 2064.8204 Did you ever get in a situation where you thought, this was it, uh, you might be killed or die? 2068.5923 1320 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2069.1723 N- no, I don't remember. 2070.8260 1321 DTA_int_05 2074.5529 Quartermaster in the Army is a little safer /unintelligible/. 2076.7741 1322 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2076.8168 Oh yeah. 2077.2195 1323 DTA_int_05 2077.4636 2078.2691 1324 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2079.6954 Well, once 2080.4215 1325 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2080.4215 (pause 0.79) 2081.2148 1326 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2081.2148 the night we went i- the evening we went on the beach, 2083.3078 1327 DTA_int_05 2083.8424 [Yeah.] 2084.1353 1328 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2083.8973 [uh] I had a f- kind of a few doubts. I had a few doubts then, cause they was bombing 2087.7416 1329 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2089.0114 on one end. 2089.7838 1330 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2089.7838 (pause 1.44) 2091.2247 1331 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2091.2247 They were shooting, /and they/ keep 'em up a high- at a high alti- altitude, you know, where they couldn't 2094.9531 1332 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2094.9531 (pause 0.99) 2095.9406 1333 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2095.9406 do too much damage to, but it was bombing 2097.8736 1334 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2097.8736 (pause 0.13) 2098.0031 1335 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2098.0031 pretty close to us though. 2098.9734 1336 DTA_int_05 2099.4530 Yeah. 2099.8008 1337 DTA_int_05 2099.8008 (pause 4.99) 2104.7932 1338 DTA_int_05 2104.7932 I suppose it effects everybody the same way, you know, in a situation like that. 2107.8489 1339 DTA_se1_ag3_m_01 2107.8882 Yeah, no, I think so. 2109.1852