Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DTA_int_09 0.5382 What kinds of games did you play when you were younger? 2.9265 2 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 6.8196 I- when I was young, I uh 9.4993 3 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 9.4993 (pause 1.22) 10.7149 4 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 10.7149 little basketball, 12.2701 5 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 12.2701 (pause 0.19) 12.4563 6 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 12.4563 baseball. 13.3369 7 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 13.3369 (pause 2.30) 15.6352 8 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 15.6352 I was consider, uh, 17.1776 9 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 17.1776 (pause 0.31) 17.4845 10 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 17.4845 a great baseball player. 19.0221 11 DTA_int_09 19.1319 Is that right? Oh, tell me about your uh, 21.0480 12 DTA_int_09 21.0480 (pause 0.35) 21.4007 13 DTA_int_09 21.4007 baseball exploits. 22.6468 14 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 22.7622 Oh, well, uh, at the high school that I was going to, 26.8079 15 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 26.8079 (pause 1.68) 28.4838 16 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 28.4838 uh, we had a baseball team and we went 31.3032 17 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 31.3032 (pause 1.72) 33.0240 18 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 33.0240 from 34.2790 19 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 34.2790 (pause 0.34) 34.6170 20 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 34.6170 different schools. [Special] kind of training schools. 38.2181 21 DTA_int_09 36.3766 [Uh-huh.] 36.7880 22 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 39.3037 And um. 40.5851 23 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 40.5851 (pause 1.21) 41.7984 24 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 41.7984 The professor 43.0189 25 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 43.0189 (pause 1.72) 44.7406 26 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 44.7406 who was the head of our 46.0959 27 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 46.0959 (pause 0.79) 46.8906 28 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 46.8906 team, well, 47.7565 29 DTA_int_09 48.2264 Mm-hm. 48.6352 30 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 48.9551 if I wasn't able to go, well, he would be, or, 51.6922 31 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 51.6922 (pause 1.96) 53.6482 32 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 53.6482 reluctant about taking the rest of the team. 56.4009 33 DTA_int_09 56.7675 Uh-huh. 57.1144 34 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 59.0768 I've known of several occasion, uh, that I had work to do, well he would even hire someone to put in my place so that I would be able to go with the 68.0492 35 DTA_int_09 68.8160 Is that [right?] 69.3122 36 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 69.2112 [team.] 69.5624 37 DTA_int_09 69.8829 What position did you play? 71.1429 38 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 71.9430 Second [base.] 73.1943 39 DTA_int_09 73.0581 [Uh-huh.] 73.5202 40 DTA_int_09 74.3028 You're a pretty big second base. 75.5948 41 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 76.2403 I'm pretty big and a strong hitter. That was the main point. [] 80.9058 42 DTA_int_09 80.3689 [Mm-hm. Is that right?] Uh-huh. 81.6087 43 DTA_int_09 81.9857 You hit the long ball, you [pull it or straight away or?] 84.6988 44 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 83.1807 [Uh.] 84.7124 45 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 85.8155 Oh, I could pull it 86.9717 46 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 86.9717 (pause 0.21) 87.1791 47 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 87.1791 most the time, I would hit the long ball. 89.6261 48 DTA_int_09 90.3875 Uh-huh. 90.7475 49 DTA_int_09 90.7475 (pause 0.96) 91.7080 50 DTA_int_09 91.7080 How about basketball? 92.6080 51 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 93.8998 94.0279 52 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 94.0279 (pause 1.30) 95.3268 53 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 95.3268 I also was good at basketball. 97.4268 54 DTA_int_09 97.7624 Mm-hm. 98.1713 55 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 99.3997 The same thing applied to basketball, that- 102.3028 56 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 102.3028 (pause 5.45) 107.7560 57 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 107.7560 what we did, uh, 109.2443 58 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 109.2443 (pause 0.33) 109.5736 59 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 109.5736 we would play different schools. 111.4175 60 DTA_int_09 111.7160 Uh-huh. 112.0980 61 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 114.3353 And uh, at my heighth 116.5992 62 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 116.5992 (pause 2.18) 118.7750 63 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 118.7750 I would mostly 119.6267 64 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 119.6267 (pause 1.88) 121.5111 65 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 121.5111 was a center jump. 122.4817 66 DTA_int_09 122.9299 Uh-huh. 123.3030 67 DTA_int_09 123.3030 (pause 0.34) 123.6383 68 DTA_int_09 123.6383 How tall are you? 124.3981 69 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 124.8457 Six one. 125.6359 70 DTA_int_09 125.9546 Uh-huh. 126.3512 71 DTA_int_09 126.3512 (pause 0.96) 127.3093 72 DTA_int_09 127.3093 Oh. Very good. 127.9638 73 DTA_int_09 127.9638 (pause 0.71) 128.6761 74 DTA_int_09 128.6761 Uh. 128.9088 75 DTA_int_09 128.9088 (pause 0.75) 129.6596 76 DTA_int_09 129.6596 How about 129.9932 77 DTA_int_09 129.9932 (pause 0.31) 130.3049 78 DTA_int_09 130.3049 the game of basketball as they play it today as compared to when you played it, is it quite a bit different? 134.9763 79 DTA_int_09 134.9763 (pause 0.54) 135.5133 80 DTA_int_09 135.5133 [/inaudible/] 135.7207 81 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 135.5826 [Quite] different, I notice that they- 138.4852 82 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 140.6204 They uh, seems to work faster and they seems to have uh 145.0606 83 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 145.0606 (pause 1.09) 146.1538 84 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 146.1538 picked up a lot of different 147.8259 85 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 147.8259 (pause 0.98) 148.8093 86 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 148.8093 tricks I might call it. 150.0650 87 DTA_int_09 150.5111 Uh-huh. 150.7273 88 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 150.7273 But I guess it's all in the style that they are playing now. 153.7130 89 DTA_int_09 153.8961 Uh-huh. 154.2622 90 DTA_int_09 154.2622 (pause 0.69) 154.9508 91 DTA_int_09 154.9508 Good. 155.1659 92 DTA_int_09 155.1659 (pause 0.25) 155.4117 93 DTA_int_09 155.4117 How about when you were- when you were real little? 157.4911 94 DTA_int_09 157.4911 (pause 0.35) 157.8441 95 DTA_int_09 157.8441 Say you were 158.3384 96 DTA_int_09 158.3384 (pause 0.18) 158.5154 97 DTA_int_09 158.5154 five or six, what are the- 159.5669 98 DTA_int_09 159.5669 (pause 0.30) 159.8640 99 DTA_int_09 159.8640 what kinds of games do the kids play- kids play now? 162.4093 100 DTA_int_09 162.4093 (pause 0.78) 163.1847 101 DTA_int_09 163.1847 Or did you play? 163.9727 102 DTA_int_09 163.9727 (pause 3.33) 167.3005 103 DTA_int_09 167.3005 You know, around the neighborhood? 168.4157 104 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 168.6835 Now, at age five, 171.1309 105 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 171.1309 (pause 3.00) 174.1322 106 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 174.1322 six. 175.3147 107 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 175.3147 (pause 0.17) 175.4824 108 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 175.4824 Most game that I remember at that age was 178.4217 109 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 178.4217 (pause 0.62) 179.0407 110 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 179.0407 what you call [hopscotch.] 180.8692 111 DTA_int_09 180.5256 [Yeah.] That's good, how did you play that? 182.6950 112 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 183.4368 Oh you would make- 184.8220 113 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 184.8220 (pause 1.10) 185.9197 114 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 185.9197 draw a figure on the ground, [it wasn't] in the street at that time it was on the ground, and put numbers in there and you would jump. 192.4365 115 DTA_int_09 187.9820 [Uh-huh.] 188.4091 116 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 193.3701 from 193.8095 117 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 193.8095 (pause 1.18) 194.9872 118 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 194.9872 one number to another one. 196.4822 119 DTA_int_09 196.8284 Good. Any others you can think of that you? 198.8896 120 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 200.6541 Hide and seek [was one.] 202.6312 121 DTA_int_09 201.6366 [Yeah, how did you play] that? 203.1130 122 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 205.6632 Well, I see that children of today still play hide and seek. 209.1916 123 DTA_int_09 209.5096 210.0233 124 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 210.3043 Uh. 211.1253 125 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 211.1253 (pause 3.40) 214.5288 126 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 214.5288 We would toss s- 216.7094 127 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 216.7094 (pause 0.71) 217.4198 128 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 217.4198 something uh, corn or something see [which one] would be the first 220.8925 129 DTA_int_09 219.5316 [Yeah.] 219.8538 130 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 222.4735 to count and uh. 224.1462 131 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 224.1462 (pause 0.26) 224.4096 132 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 224.4096 Then, er, while he was counting, the rest would go 227.1628 133 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 227.1628 (pause 0.59) 227.7555 134 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 227.7555 some place and hide. 229.0024 135 DTA_int_09 229.4317 Uh-huh. 229.8649 136 DTA_int_09 229.8649 (pause 0.24) 230.1043 137 DTA_int_09 230.1043 Good, uh, are there any other ways that the- uh, the person could become it? Like any rhymes or anything you could ever use? 236.4515 138 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 240.0159 Oh, I remember some quite well, but not at the present time. 244.2174 139 DTA_int_09 244.6910 Uh-huh. 245.0023 140 DTA_int_09 245.0023 (pause 0.71) 245.7155 141 DTA_int_09 245.7155 Okay, good. 246.1434 142 DTA_int_09 246.1434 (pause 0.78) 246.9229 143 DTA_int_09 246.9229 How about uh, marbles? You ever play marbles? 248.9727 144 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 249.4912 Quite [often.] 250.3646 145 DTA_int_09 250.2669 [How] do you play that? 251.0997 146 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 253.6899 Oh, during the marble games, uh, 256.3372 147 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 256.3372 (pause 0.99) 257.3263 148 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 257.3263 257.3812 149 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 257.3812 (pause 0.17) 257.5522 150 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 257.5522 we would, uh, 258.8649 151 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 258.8649 (pause 1.71) 260.5716 152 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 260.5716 draw a circle. 261.9259 153 DTA_int_09 261.9197 Uh-huh. 262.2910 154 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 263.7321 And, uh, we would, uh, 266.2797 155 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 266.2797 (pause 1.02) 267.2969 156 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 267.2969 put so many marbles in that circle. 270.3043 157 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 270.3043 (pause 0.73) 271.0331 158 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 271.0331 And it would be at least, uh, 273.3181 159 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 273.3181 (pause 3.16) 276.4732 160 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 276.4732 three or four. 277.6322 161 DTA_int_09 278.0185 Mm-hm. 278.4268 162 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 278.7340 Oh, probably more playing and each one would have so many in the circle 282.5581 163 DTA_int_09 282.9646 [Yeah.] 283.2819 164 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 283.1660 [of] their marbles. 284.3361 165 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 286.9571 And 287.3039 166 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 287.3039 (pause 0.71) 288.0152 167 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 288.0152 we each had what we called an /agne/- /agne/- uh, something was 292.2704 168 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 292.2704 (pause 0.22) 292.4899 169 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 292.4899 larger than a marble [that was in] the [circle.] 294.5265 170 DTA_int_09 293.5369 [Uh-huh.] 293.9091 171 DTA_int_09 293.9091 (pause 0.31) 294.2142 172 DTA_int_09 294.2142 [Yeah.] 294.4949 173 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 295.1150 295.1882 174 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 295.1882 (pause 0.39) 295.5801 175 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 295.5801 And uh, we was 296.8401 176 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 296.8401 (pause 1.31) 298.1534 177 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 298.1534 /??/. 298.9173 178 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 298.9173 (pause 2.96) 301.8807 179 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 301.8807 Oh. 302.4558 180 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 302.4558 (pause 0.40) 302.8587 181 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 302.8587 quite a few inches or maybe 304.1439 182 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 304.1439 (pause 0.15) 304.2987 183 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 304.2987 two feet from the circle. 306.1414 184 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 306.1414 (pause 1.19) 307.3288 185 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 307.3288 And we would shoot in the circle and try 309.3298 186 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 309.3298 (pause 0.32) 309.6509 187 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 309.6509 to knock out as many marbles as we could. 312.4794 188 DTA_int_09 312.8415 Uh-huh. 313.2586 189 DTA_int_09 313.2586 (pause 0.61) 313.8732 190 DTA_int_09 313.8732 And when you knocked all the other person's out? And then what? 316.8649 191 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 317.2413 317.3093 192 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 317.3093 (pause 2.10) 319.4050 193 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 319.4050 Oh. 319.6025 194 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 319.6025 (pause 0.36) 319.9669 195 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 319.9669 The marbles that you knocked out of the circle were supposed to be yours for keep. 324.4911 196 DTA_int_09 324.6403 Is that how you played it? 325.6677 197 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 325.8608 That's why- that's the way we played it in those [days.] 328.9218 198 DTA_int_09 328.5574 [Uh-huh.] 328.9357 199 DTA_int_09 329.9130 Oh, very good. 330.5628 200 DTA_int_09 330.5628 (pause 1.51) 332.0687 201 DTA_int_09 332.0687 Do you watch a lot of TV around here? 333.8473 202 DTA_int_09 333.8473 (pause 0.21) 334.0562 203 DTA_int_09 334.0562 Do you like to watch any particular TV programs? 337.2735 204 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 337.3776 Mm. No. Mostly 340.0024 205 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 340.0024 (pause 3.91) 343.9169 206 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 343.9169 news. I have 345.0764 207 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 345.0764 (pause 0.21) 345.2828 208 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 345.2828 quite a few children and they pick out their program and sometime on the weekend, I might take part, but 352.3637 209 DTA_int_09 352.6348 Uh-huh. 352.9683 210 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 353.1803 during the week, I'm at work. 354.9359 211 DTA_int_09 355.5154 Uh-huh. 355.8622 212 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 356.3341 So I don't have too much time to watch television. 359.1385 213 DTA_int_09 359.3696 Any particular programs that you, uh, like to see? 362.2755 214 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 370.7464 N- it's no particular program that I 373.6637 215 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 373.6637 (pause 0.82) 374.4802 216 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 374.4802 like to see unless there's some special program. 377.6857 217 DTA_int_09 378.0237 Uh-huh. 378.4144 218 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 379.5060 And 380.1606 219 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 380.1606 (pause 0.40) 380.5618 220 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 380.5618 my most interest is in the news. [That I] do 383.8677 221 DTA_int_09 383.0515 [Uh-huh.] 383.4652 222 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 385.0380 [Watch every day.] 386.3688 223 DTA_int_09 385.0531 [Which news commentator] do you like? 386.9672 224 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 388.1136 T, uh, that is channel two and, 390.8143 225 DTA_int_09 390.8520 Uh-huh. 391.2779 226 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 393.0705 and uh 394.3366 227 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 394.3366 (pause 1.31) 395.6459 228 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 395.6459 That's Walter Cronkite. I think [that's his] name, yeah. 398.8696 229 DTA_int_09 397.9186 [Uh-huh.] 398.2274 230 DTA_int_09 399.4820 How about the kids? What programs do they like? What are some of the programs they like? 403.3923 231 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 404.8735 Oh, they watch Candid Camera and they 407.7128 232 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 407.7128 (pause 1.37) 409.0782 233 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 409.0782 watch, uh. 410.5023 234 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 410.5023 (pause 6.38) 416.8843 235 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 416.8843 I could call the name, but I don't remember. I don't pay too much attention uh when they [are] watching TV because 424.0091 236 DTA_int_09 422.4651 [Uh-huh.] 422.9078 237 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 424.4364 I have some smaller children, and they like the comics and that's something that I'm not too interested in. 428.6072 238 DTA_int_09 428.6627 Yeah. 428.9468 239 DTA_int_09 428.9468 (pause 0.61) 429.5539 240 DTA_int_09 429.5539 How about movies? Do you ever watch any movies on TV? 432.3636 241 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 435.1086 Oh, some are Sunday evening, or nights you might say, I uh 440.5943 242 DTA_int_09 440.9235 Mm-hm. 441.3538 243 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 441.7916 might watch a movie on channel nine. 445.4521 244 DTA_int_09 446.0124 [Mm-hm.] 446.5436 245 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 446.1932 [S-] 446.5761 246 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 449.8467 Now, they had a movie about uh 453.1487 247 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 453.1487 (pause 3.24) 456.3926 248 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 456.3926 three or four weeks ago concerning a Catholic, uh, 459.5184 249 DTA_int_09 459.7605 Mm-hm. 460.2434 250 DTA_int_09 460.2434 (pause 1.80) 462.0434 251 DTA_int_09 462.0434 [What was that about?] 462.8337 252 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 462.0459 [Catholic.] 462.8612 253 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 467.6350 This was a uh, I think it was the lady 470.5528 254 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 470.5528 (pause 4.61) 475.1667 255 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 475.1667 it wasn't a lady of fashion though, I don't I- 477.4702 256 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 477.4702 (pause 0.42) 477.8857 257 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 477.8857 I remember how the story go, but [this.] 479.9894 258 DTA_int_09 479.8075 [Uh.] Yeah, well, how's the story [go?] 481.4934 259 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 481.3529 [Well] uh, this girl, she was sh- 484.3087 260 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 485.3782 stroll in school and uh 487.5697 261 DTA_int_09 487.9322 Mm-hm. 488.3361 262 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 488.7444 somehow the teacher, uh, 490.3952 263 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 490.3952 (pause 2.88) 493.2768 264 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 493.2768 didn't encourage her as she should. 495.6333 265 DTA_int_09 496.3050 Mm-hm. 496.7352 266 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 497.6049 And uh, one day, this particular girl, uh 500.9698 267 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 500.9698 (pause 1.31) 502.2752 268 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 502.2752 she and her sister went out to 504.4967 269 DTA_int_09 504.9862 Mm-hm. 505.3769 270 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 506.6589 gather some 507.5829 271 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 507.5829 (pause 0.23) 507.8114 272 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 507.8114 wood. 508.6131 273 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 508.6131 (pause 2.88) 511.4915 274 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 511.4915 And 512.1516 275 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 512.1516 (pause 0.23) 512.3843 276 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 512.3843 by this girl being sickly, her sister 514.8297 277 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 514.8297 (pause 0.45) 515.2813 278 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 515.2813 and another girl told her to uh 517.4062 279 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 517.4062 (pause 1.03) 518.4385 280 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 518.4385 not to wade across the stream [because] 521.1890 281 DTA_int_09 520.4407 [Yeah.] 520.6731 282 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 521.3524 probably she would get wet and they didn't want that to happen. 523.7517 283 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 523.7517 (pause 2.02) 525.7699 284 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 525.7699 But s- for some cause after she- after they was gone, she waded across. 530.1342 285 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 530.1342 (pause 0.66) 530.7927 286 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 530.7927 And while she was 532.6128 287 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 532.6128 (pause 0.27) 532.8837 288 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 532.8837 standing there on there cliffs, 534.9837 289 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 534.9837 (pause 0.65) 535.6379 290 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 535.6379 she saw a figure. 536.6855 291 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 536.6855 (pause 2.52) 539.2054 292 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 539.2054 And this figure 540.4838 293 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 540.4838 (pause 0.26) 540.7431 294 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 540.7431 as the story go, it turned out to be 543.3256 295 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 543.3256 (pause 9.22) 552.5409 296 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 552.5409 turned out to be, um, 554.4986 297 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 554.4986 (pause 4.29) 558.7927 298 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 558.7927 in the form of the figure of Mary [as I] understand it. 561.9800 299 DTA_int_09 560.7458 [Uh-huh.] 561.3255 300 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 563.4552 563.5725 301 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 563.5725 (pause 1.39) 564.9604 302 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 564.9604 So she went back home and she told her parents 568.1478 303 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 568.1478 (pause 2.62) 570.7649 304 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 570.7649 At first her mother didn't believe her but her father see he- he- he believed the story. 576.1177 305 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 576.1177 (pause 1.66) 577.7772 306 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 577.7772 But the peoples in the community, 579.8802 307 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 579.8802 (pause 0.47) 580.3456 308 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 580.3456 they didn't believe her story. 581.9771 309 DTA_int_09 582.3327 Mm-hm. 582.7849 310 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 585.2632 So the 586.3081 311 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 586.3081 (pause 1.58) 587.8864 312 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 587.8864 mayor and 589.4054 313 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 589.4054 (pause 0.63) 590.0310 314 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 590.0310 prosecutor 590.7115 315 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 590.7115 (pause 0.44) 591.1505 316 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 591.1505 /attornity/ and 592.8825 317 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 592.8825 (pause 0.61) 593.4927 318 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 593.4927 the head city officials, 595.2571 319 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 595.2571 (pause 1.35) 596.6098 320 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 596.6098 they all got together and 598.4450 321 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 598.4450 (pause 1.37) 599.8146 322 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 599.8146 they had tried to convince this girl that [she] wasn't telling the truth. 604.1270 323 DTA_int_09 602.0872 [Yeah.] 602.3419 324 DTA_int_09 604.1270 Mm-hm. 604.5284 325 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 604.5284 But she stuck to her same story. 606.5479 326 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 608.3093 Even the father, one of the father, he didn't believe her. 611.3562 327 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 611.3562 (pause 2.59) 613.9497 328 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 613.9497 So they test this girl in several ways, but every time 617.3928 329 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 617.3928 (pause 0.53) 617.9196 330 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 617.9196 she would stick to this. 619.0945 331 DTA_int_09 619.8892 Mm-hm. 620.2623 332 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 620.3941 What she told 'em she saw 621.8297 333 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 621.8297 (pause 0.32) 622.1502 334 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 622.1502 in the beginning. 622.9947 335 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 622.9947 (pause 1.29) 624.2811 336 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 624.2811 So finally, uh 625.8671 337 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 625.8671 (pause 0.88) 626.7478 338 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 626.7478 they wanted some kind of 628.2307 339 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 628.2307 (pause 0.88) 629.1156 340 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 629.1156 miracle to happen. 630.2661 341 DTA_int_09 633.7404 Hm. 633.9292 342 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 633.9292 But at the time, she was there 635.6286 343 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 636.1659 talking to this lady 637.4327 344 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 637.4327 (pause 1.13) 638.5636 345 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 638.5636 [] 638.6377 346 DTA_int_09 638.5821 [Mm-hm.] 638.9403 347 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 640.2287 They wanted the rose t- to bud out- bloom out in 643.5011 348 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 643.5011 (pause 0.43) 643.9280 349 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 643.9280 the [winter time.] 644.9532 350 DTA_int_09 644.5221 [Yeah.] 644.9421 351 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 648.0631 But on that particular day, the rose didn't 651.1884 352 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 651.1884 (pause 0.53) 651.7224 353 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 651.7224 bud. 652.3321 354 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 652.3321 (pause 0.82) 653.1507 355 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 653.1507 Or didn't bloom. 654.0449 356 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 654.0449 (pause 2.83) 656.8716 357 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 656.8716 And this lady told her to go 658.7068 358 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 658.7068 (pause 1.05) 659.7610 359 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 659.7610 so many feets 660.9801 360 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 660.9801 (pause 0.71) 661.6883 361 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 661.6883 and dig in the ground and it was 663.6683 362 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 663.6683 (pause 0.82) 664.4913 363 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 664.4913 spring a well would start. 666.3891 364 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 666.3891 (pause 1.21) 667.5973 365 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 667.5973 But she did that and she rub it all across her face and all the people standing around thought she was crazy. 673.0124 366 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 673.0124 (pause 2.26) 675.2729 367 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 675.2729 So she went and talked to the Father and she talked to city official and each one tried to convince her and show her that she was wrong. But she still said she- 684.3431 368 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 684.3431 (pause 0.48) 684.8266 369 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 684.8266 she had saw the lady. 685.9637 370 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 685.9637 (pause 2.85) 688.8146 371 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 688.8146 But in the end, to make it short, uh. 691.0357 372 DTA_int_09 691.0542 No, this is good. This is very interesting. 693.0393 373 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 696.0393 So they talked to her father and her mother, tried to get them to send her away from there because it was causing too much u- uproar 704.3199 374 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 704.3199 (pause 0.35) 704.6711 375 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 704.6711 in the city. 705.4965 376 DTA_int_09 705.6172 Yeah. 705.8148 377 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 707.1494 But some of the city officials, especially the mayor, he saw what he could make 711.1226 378 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 711.1226 (pause 0.83) 711.9488 379 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 711.9488 a killing out of this. [What I mean] by killing, he saw what he could 715.1759 380 DTA_int_09 713.1891 [Mm-hm.] 713.5905 381 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 717.2119 draw peoples into the town and that would money into the city treasury and for him 722.2003 382 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 722.2003 (pause 0.50) 722.6964 383 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 722.6964 too, I imagine. 723.4325 384 DTA_int_09 723.4153 Yeah. 723.6272 385 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 725.5331 But s- 726.0478 386 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 726.0478 (pause 0.17) 726.2224 387 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 726.2224 The other city officials, they didn't go along with that. 729.4723 388 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 729.4723 (pause 2.20) 731.6740 389 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 731.6740 So finally, uh, 733.3242 390 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 733.3242 (pause 1.93) 735.2586 391 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 735.2586 few days after 736.7239 392 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 736.7239 (pause 4.06) 740.7838 393 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 740.7838 it happened to be uh 742.2597 394 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 742.2597 (pause 1.80) 744.0619 395 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 744.0619 a sick man and his friend. What I mean by sick, this man had been a mason. 749.3865 396 DTA_int_09 749.9617 [Mm-hm.] 750.4676 397 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 750.0044 [He had laid] bricks 751.3036 398 DTA_int_09 751.6331 Yeah. 751.9077 399 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 752.2372 all his life and he- he- 753.9702 400 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 753.9702 (pause 0.89) 754.8611 401 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 754.8611 he had got to the place that he couldn't see so good. 757.5647 402 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 757.5647 (pause 1.77) 759.3336 403 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 759.3336 So they looked around, they saw the water start 762.2986 404 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 762.2986 (pause 0.19) 762.4877 405 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 762.4877 tripling down, 763.4763 406 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 763.4763 (pause 0.31) 763.7875 407 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 763.7875 and then uh. 764.9764 408 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 764.9764 (pause 1.80) 766.7784 409 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 766.7784 Uh. 767.4862 410 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 767.4862 (pause 1.93) 769.4167 411 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 769.4167 They had a hold up there and they fill it up. He went there and washed his hands and washed his face and he could see. 775.6265 412 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 775.6265 (pause 2.07) 777.7013 413 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 777.7013 So after that, he went back to his doctor and told his doctor uh, about what had happened. 782.8440 414 DTA_int_09 783.1430 Mm-hm. 783.6935 415 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 783.8417 His doctor didn't believe him. 785.4448 416 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 785.4448 (pause 1.44) 786.8895 417 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 786.8895 So he examined him and he told him the same scar was there 790.4426 418 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 790.4426 (pause 0.25) 790.6952 419 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 790.6952 that was there before, but s- told him still he could see 793.4583 420 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 793.4583 (pause 0.74) 794.2014 421 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 794.2014 that he would be able to lay bricks again and was, [and he] was very happy. 798.2785 422 DTA_int_09 797.0199 [Hm.] 797.2550 423 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 800.4196 And it worked on down that uh 803.0252 424 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 803.0252 (pause 2.51) 805.5397 425 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 805.5397 this girl, she was told by this lady to go to that 808.9671 426 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 808.9671 (pause 0.49) 809.4559 427 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 809.4559 same spot for so many days. 811.8553 428 DTA_int_09 811.9041 Mm-hm. 812.3556 429 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 812.8499 And they tried to stop her. 814.6663 430 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 814.6663 (pause 1.89) 816.5515 431 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 816.5515 So this 817.7475 432 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 817.7475 (pause 0.58) 818.3272 433 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 818.3272 girl, she 819.7284 434 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 819.7284 (pause 2.34) 822.0655 435 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 822.0655 she and he parents, they would 823.5363 436 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 823.5363 (pause 0.84) 824.3721 437 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 824.3721 travel to that spot 825.4878 438 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 825.4878 (pause 0.96) 826.4458 439 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 826.4458 each day. 827.2635 440 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 827.2635 (pause 2.10) 829.3657 441 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 829.3657 She could see the lady, but the [people] standing around, they couldn't see her. 833.1735 442 DTA_int_09 830.6992 [Yeah.] 830.9488 443 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 833.5908 [But she] would tell them what the lady was saying to her. 836.5015 444 DTA_int_09 833.5908 [Mm-hm.] 834.0615 445 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 838.9403 And we'd get back to this rose bud, so finally this rose budded out 844.2403 446 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 844.2403 (pause 0.94) 845.1795 447 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 845.1795 and it's spring. 846.8693 448 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 846.8693 (pause 2.63) 849.5023 449 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 849.5023 It's started /flowering/ so they built a 852.0689 450 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 852.0689 (pause 0.28) 852.3496 451 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 852.3496 wall around [that.] 853.8443 452 DTA_int_09 853.5209 [Yeah.] 853.8199 453 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 854.6010 And peoples from 855.6140 454 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 855.6140 (pause 1.56) 857.1700 455 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 857.1700 throughout that country and the other countries 859.5282 456 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 859.5282 (pause 1.09) 860.6144 457 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 860.6144 came in to get water from this 863.1437 458 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 863.1437 (pause 0.80) 863.9431 459 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 863.9431 well. 864.4923 460 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 864.4923 (pause 0.81) 865.3039 461 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 865.3039 And in some cases it was curing those peoples, in most cases. 869.2509 462 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 869.2509 (pause 1.31) 870.5568 463 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 870.5568 So the people still wasn't convinced. 872.6752 464 DTA_int_09 873.0487 Hm. 873.2135 465 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 874.7146 And they was going to send this girl out of this 877.6899 466 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 877.6899 (pause 0.40) 878.0865 467 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 878.0865 s- 878.2818 468 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 878.2818 (pause 0.93) 879.2154 469 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 879.2154 out of that town. 880.4786 470 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 880.4786 (pause 1.73) 882.2124 471 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 882.2124 So, finally, uh 883.7380 472 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 883.7380 (pause 1.19) 884.9276 473 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 884.9276 885.0070 474 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 885.0070 (pause 0.41) 885.4219 475 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 885.4219 One of the high officials from the high court, 888.3936 476 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 888.3936 (pause 1.67) 890.0666 477 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 890.0666 his daughter son 891.6892 478 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 891.6892 (pause 0.40) 892.0858 479 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 892.0858 taken sick. 892.9584 480 DTA_int_09 893.2912 Mm-hm 893.7610 481 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 893.9299 894.0275 482 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 894.0275 (pause 0.98) 895.0059 483 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 895.0059 And, uh, 895.9639 484 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 895.9639 (pause 0.91) 896.8731 485 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 896.8731 she 897.6976 486 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 897.6976 (pause 1.24) 898.9330 487 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 898.9330 came there on her own. 900.4159 488 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 900.4159 (pause 1.98) 902.3968 489 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 902.3968 She got a jug of this water 904.2824 490 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 904.2824 (pause 2.63) 906.9160 491 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 906.9160 and they had started arresting 908.5026 492 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 908.5026 (pause 0.46) 908.9614 493 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 908.9614 each and every one that uh, drew water from that 911.6281 494 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 911.6281 (pause 0.78) 912.4091 495 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 912.4091 pool. 913.0011 496 DTA_int_09 913.9518 Mm-hm. 914.3523 497 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 914.4156 So, at the time they made this arrest, 916.9819 498 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 916.9819 (pause 0.25) 917.2313 499 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 917.2313 this high official 918.4430 500 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 918.4430 (pause 0.62) 919.0593 501 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 919.0593 /of the/ 919.6329 502 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 919.6329 (pause 0.79) 920.4254 503 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 920.4254 whole 920.8098 504 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 920.8098 (pause 0.47) 921.2797 505 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 921.2797 country was there. 922.8662 506 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 922.8662 (pause 1.91) 924.7714 507 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 924.7714 His wife, I mean was there 927.0562 508 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 927.0562 (pause 0.15) 927.2087 509 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 927.2087 among that group that was arrested. 929.1711 510 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 929.1711 (pause 0.58) 929.7469 511 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 929.7469 So when they got to her, 931.1944 512 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 931.1944 (pause 2.39) 933.5804 513 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 933.5804 she told him who she were. 935.6917 514 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 935.6917 (pause 0.73) 936.4240 515 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 936.4240 It wasn't no charge, as they all was afraid then [they was] sh- uh shaken. 940.8771 516 DTA_int_09 939.6139 [Yeah.] 940.0167 517 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 942.0806 And they told her that it wouldn't be any charge for her. She said no, she as sane as these other. She would pay her fine and the f- 948.6953 518 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 948.6953 (pause 0.65) 949.3467 519 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 949.3467 fine of the rest of the peoples. 951.1408 520 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 951.1408 (pause 2.04) 953.1850 521 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 953.1850 So they wanted to take her water from her, but she insist that she have it. 956.8670 522 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 956.8670 (pause 1.45) 958.3193 523 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 958.3193 And they did take the water from some of the other peoples. 961.0738 524 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 961.0738 (pause 0.88) 961.9565 525 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 961.9565 So finally, she went on back to her home 964.5926 526 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 964.5926 (pause 2.66) 967.2533 527 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 967.2533 and whatever they did, anyway, they 969.4669 528 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 969.4669 (pause 0.43) 969.8941 529 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 969.8941 969.9917 530 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 969.9917 (pause 0.18) 970.1748 531 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 970.1748 bathed this child, uh, 972.0552 532 DTA_int_09 972.0552 Uh-huh. 972.4518 533 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 972.5556 in this water, and the next day, he was up running around. 976.0287 534 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 976.0287 (pause 1.97) 978.0013 535 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 978.0013 So, through that way, the high officials, they wanted to keep it a secret, but they uh 983.6995 536 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 983.6995 (pause 1.31) 985.0115 537 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 985.0115 985.1030 538 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 985.1030 (pause 0.94) 986.0428 539 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 986.0428 had a meeting and handed down decree 988.5776 540 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 988.5776 (pause 1.85) 990.4265 541 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 990.4265 that this girls shouldn't be sent away. 992.5641 542 DTA_int_09 992.9485 [Mm-hm.] 993.4062 543 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 993.1684 [That] what she saw, 994.8707 544 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 995.7006 they believe it was true. 997.1407 545 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 997.1407 (pause 2.24) 999.3767 546 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 999.3767 And finally, on the end, they sent her to a- uh 1003.1968 547 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1003.1968 (pause 1.34) 1004.5332 548 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1004.5332 Catholic 1005.3145 549 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1005.3145 (pause 3.19) 1008.5086 550 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1008.5086 seminary. 1009.7280 551 DTA_int_09 1009.7646 Mm-hm. 1010.2345 552 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1010.9118 And while being there, she studied, and uh 1014.5713 553 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1014.5713 (pause 1.56) 1016.1334 554 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1016.1334 as I understand, she became a sister before she died, but uh. 1020.2321 555 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1020.2321 (pause 0.74) 1020.9705 556 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1020.9705 This particular girl, she had been sick 1023.4275 557 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1023.4275 (pause 0.32) 1023.7448 558 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1023.7448 all her life and 1025.0141 559 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1025.0141 (pause 2.76) 1027.7745 560 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1027.7745 she really didn't know [it.] 1029.2207 561 DTA_int_09 1029.0804 [Yeah.] 1029.3489 562 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1030.9174 But while she was there it- 1032.6686 563 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1032.6686 (pause 3.11) 1035.7766 564 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1035.7766 it appeared on her. Something concern her leg, it was a 1039.5231 565 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1039.5231 (pause 0.75) 1040.2736 566 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1040.2736 1040.4018 567 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1040.4018 (pause 0.30) 1040.7008 568 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1040.7008 /Leukemema/ or whatever you call it. [And I] think that's what they called it. 1044.9053 569 DTA_int_09 1042.6231 [Uh-huh.] 1043.1174 570 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1046.7772 And this priest, when she left, sh- 1049.7368 571 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1049.7368 (pause 1.66) 1051.3927 572 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1051.3927 he gave her a 1052.1555 573 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1052.1555 (pause 0.39) 1052.5460 574 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1052.5460 card and told her if she ever was in trouble, 1055.5605 575 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1055.5605 (pause 0.76) 1056.3224 576 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1056.3224 or felt that she need him, to mail that. 1058.7877 577 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1058.7877 (pause 1.18) 1059.9654 578 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1059.9654 So she taken sick and uh 1062.1073 579 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1062.1073 (pause 1.10) 1063.2110 580 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1063.2110 she mailed this card. 1064.5169 581 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1064.5169 (pause 1.91) 1066.4279 582 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1066.4279 And by the time the priest had got there she had died. 1069.8693 583 DTA_int_09 1071.2662 Hm. 1071.4309 584 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1072.7673 1072.9870 585 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1072.9870 (pause 0.54) 1073.5315 586 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1073.5315 I think that was a wonderful story [and- and I think that] 1077.8599 587 DTA_int_09 1075.7404 [/inaudible/] 1078.2324 588 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1078.0835 girl had great courage in stand up 1080.4371 589 DTA_int_09 1080.9606 [/inaudible/] 1081.8211 590 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1080.9991 [to what she] 1081.8290 591 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1082.9640 said she saw and what she believe in. 1085.0227 592 DTA_int_09 1085.9567 She certainly did. You seem to (laughing) 1087.7504 593 DTA_int_09 1087.7504 (pause 0.71) 1088.4643 594 DTA_int_09 1088.4643 remember that well, huh? [That's good.] 1090.6937 595 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1090.0407 [Oh, /I/.] 1091.2001 596 DTA_int_09 1093.4894 Do you have a pet around the house here? 1095.6772 597 DTA_int_09 1095.6772 (pause 2.03) 1097.7092 598 DTA_int_09 1097.7092 For the kids or anything? 1099.0946 599 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1100.3658 1100.4512 600 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1100.4512 (pause 0.37) 1100.8173 601 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1100.8173 No, we once had a dog, but uh, I found out that a dog cause too much trouble. 1106.2073 602 DTA_int_09 1106.5673 Uh-huh. 1106.9108 603 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1108.8757 We even had a pen for the dog and he would jump out of there and go into other people's yards. 1114.6545 604 DTA_int_09 1115.0480 Bite people, or? 1116.1277 605 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1116.7755 He did on two occasion and uh 1119.7291 606 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1119.7291 (pause 1.65) 1121.3788 607 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1121.3788 so we just got rid of the [dog and since] then we haven't had a pet. 1126.3441 608 DTA_int_09 1123.7724 [Uh-huh.] 1124.1587 609 DTA_int_09 1126.6187 Good. 1126.8872 610 DTA_int_09 1126.8872 (pause 0.61) 1127.4937 611 DTA_int_09 1127.4937 Uh, is there any way your kids uh 1129.3671 612 DTA_int_09 1129.3671 (pause 0.26) 1129.6295 613 DTA_int_09 1129.6295 can get a wish? Like if they're eating chicken at the table or anything, is there any 1133.5909 614 DTA_int_09 1133.5909 (pause 0.61) 1134.2011 615 DTA_int_09 1134.2011 uh, way that they can get a wish or something? 1136.4020 616 DTA_int_09 1136.4020 (pause 0.73) 1137.1343 617 DTA_int_09 1137.1343 /E- but you/ have that tradition around here have [you?] 1139.6484 618 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1139.3616 [No.] 1139.9962 619 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1140.5454 We don't have that. 1141.7354 620 DTA_int_09 1141.7964 Uh-huh. 1142.1503 621 DTA_int_09 1142.1503 (pause 1.60) 1143.7532 622 DTA_int_09 1143.7532 How about when they lose a tooth? What do they do? 1145.8524 623 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1146.2978 1146.4077 624 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1146.4077 (pause 0.16) 1146.5663 625 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1146.5663 Well, that still going on. They would 1148.5800 626 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1148.5800 (pause 0.42) 1149.0008 627 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1149.0008 wrap that 1149.5378 628 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1149.5378 (pause 1.68) 1151.2220 629 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1151.2220 tooth up in a 1152.3740 630 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1152.3740 (pause 2.54) 1154.9124 631 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1154.9124 napkin and put it under their pillow and the next morning they probably will find a coin there. 1159.7641 632 DTA_int_09 1159.9481 [Uh-huh.] Well that's good. 1161.3258 633 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1159.9919 [] 1160.2202 634 DTA_int_09 1161.9726 Uh, tell me about your school, when you were in school, what did you study? And 1165.6583 635 DTA_int_09 1165.6583 (pause 0.56) 1166.2161 636 DTA_int_09 1166.2161 [what] courses did you like? 1167.4670 637 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1166.3015 [] 1166.3942 638 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1170.1157 As you know, I was born in the [South.] 1173.9054 639 DTA_int_09 1173.7221 [Uh-huh.] 1174.2164 640 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1175.9446 1176.6646 641 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1176.6646 (pause 0.56) 1177.2199 642 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1177.2199 I hate to tell my state, but it is Alabama. 1179.4071 643 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1179.4071 (pause 1.03) 1180.4332 644 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1180.4332 (pause 3.24) 1183.6772 645 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1183.6772 And my home 1185.5018 646 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1185.5018 (pause 2.50) 1188.0019 647 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1188.0019 where I lived when I was young was /?/. 1190.8987 648 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1190.8987 (pause 1.91) 1192.8087 649 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1192.8087 ten miles from Selma, [Alabama.] 1195.4257 650 DTA_int_09 1195.3341 [Was] there any- 1195.9588 651 DTA_int_09 1196.4386 So I guess you [wanted /out, huh/?] 1198.2527 652 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1197.4272 [ 1198.6049 653 DTA_int_09 1198.8673 [/unintelligible/] 1199.6707 654 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1199.2395 [I had] great interest in that. 1200.9554 655 DTA_int_09 1201.0959 Uh-huh. 1201.4076 656 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1203.4474 And I, uh, 1204.8098 657 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1204.8098 (pause 0.49) 1205.2992 658 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1205.2992 attend what you call a county training school. 1208.0524 659 DTA_int_09 1208.4247 Uh-huh. 1208.9678 660 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1210.4131 1210.5107 661 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1210.5107 (pause 1.36) 1211.8715 662 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1211.8715 Of course now, 1213.0004 663 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1213.0004 (pause 2.02) 1215.0157 664 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1215.0157 we had to walk 1216.2361 665 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1216.2361 (pause 3.25) 1219.4910 666 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1219.4910 a mile and a half 1221.3688 667 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1221.3688 (pause 0.62) 1221.9912 668 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1221.9912 one way 1222.8150 669 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1222.8150 (pause 0.58) 1223.3947 670 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1223.3947 to get to school every day. 1225.0827 671 DTA_int_09 1225.2475 Is that right? 1225.9587 672 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1229.9598 And there 1230.9057 673 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1230.9057 (pause 1.04) 1231.9491 674 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1231.9491 1232.0224 675 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1232.0224 (pause 2.61) 1234.6369 676 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1234.6369 And what I can see about the school, it was 1237.8857 677 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1237.8857 (pause 5.13) 1243.0114 678 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1243.0114 uh 1243.6705 679 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1243.6705 (pause 5.41) 1249.0770 680 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1249.0770 a good school, the way I would 1251.0371 681 DTA_int_09 1251.5863 Uh-huh. 1252.0257 682 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1252.1721 put it, um. 1253.6976 683 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1253.6976 (pause 0.75) 1254.4518 684 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1254.4518 We has such courses as 1258.6683 685 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1258.6683 (pause 0.52) 1259.1901 686 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1259.1901 chemistry and 1260.1908 687 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1260.1908 (pause 1.08) 1261.2709 688 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1261.2709 physic. 1261.8056 689 DTA_int_09 1262.9589 Uh-huh. 1263.3921 690 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1264.7529 But the 1266.0384 691 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1266.0384 (pause 0.82) 1266.8608 692 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1266.8608 most 1268.3985 693 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1268.3985 (pause 0.55) 1268.9477 694 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1268.9477 /entries/ they had in those days was home econon- 1272.9841 695 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1272.9841 (pause 1.96) 1274.9460 696 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1274.9460 economic and uh 1276.5570 697 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1276.5570 (pause 0.65) 1277.2099 698 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1277.2099 agricultural. 1278.2948 699 DTA_int_09 1278.8362 Uh-huh. 1279.2679 700 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1280.1292 So 1280.7211 701 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1280.7211 (pause 2.02) 1282.7409 702 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1282.7409 that's what I went out for in that day. In those- in that- that- that time when I was going to [school.] 1288.4762 703 DTA_int_09 1288.1817 [Yeah.] 1288.4762 704 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1289.1407 We had a vocation- uh, agricultural training school there. 1293.2718 705 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1293.2718 (pause 2.12) 1295.3895 706 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1295.3895 And so most of the boys would go out for that. Well, in there, we would build different [things, we would] make 1301.6602 707 DTA_int_09 1300.4324 [Yeah.] 1300.8656 708 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1303.4963 thing that we could use around the home and- and 1306.7316 709 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1306.7316 (pause 0.19) 1306.9208 710 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1306.9208 through that uh 1308.5893 711 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1308.5893 (pause 1.02) 1309.6083 712 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1309.6083 project, uh 1311.0973 713 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1311.0973 (pause 0.84) 1311.9328 714 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1311.9328 we had what you call a- 1314.6080 715 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1314.6080 (pause 7.39) 1321.9937 716 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1321.9937 Anyway, we would have a 1323.9946 717 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1323.9946 (pause 1.34) 1325.3325 718 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1325.3325 plot of ground our own [and] 1327.8176 719 DTA_int_09 1327.4583 [Yeah.] 1327.7042 720 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1328.8489 probably this year we would plant beans. 1331.7291 721 DTA_int_09 1332.0033 Uh-huh. 1332.4512 722 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1332.6345 Well, we would sell those bean and that would be our money 1335.7344 723 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1335.7344 (pause 0.24) 1335.9785 724 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1335.9785 to buy [our school supply.] 1337.7845 725 DTA_int_09 1336.4100 [Well that's-] 1336.8171 726 DTA_int_09 1336.8171 (pause 0.76) 1337.5734 727 DTA_int_09 1337.5734 [Yeah.] Oh that's good. 1338.8202 728 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1339.5175 And during that time, we 1342.2563 729 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1342.2563 (pause 1.58) 1343.8368 730 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1343.8368 started breeding full blooded 1346.1266 731 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1346.1266 (pause 0.38) 1346.5064 732 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1346.5064 hogs. 1347.5240 733 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1347.5240 (pause 0.93) 1348.4576 734 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1348.4576 Well, each one of the boys that participated in that program, they was 1353.1313 735 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1353.1313 (pause 2.40) 1355.5292 736 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1355.5292 from their 1356.3468 737 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1356.3468 (pause 0.80) 1357.1483 738 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1357.1483 plot of ground, they w- 1358.6677 739 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1358.6677 (pause 0.24) 1358.9057 740 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1358.9057 bought them, uh, 1359.7605 741 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1359.7605 (pause 0.16) 1359.9195 742 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1359.9195 full blooded 1360.6846 743 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1360.6846 (pause 0.79) 1361.4779 744 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1361.4779 /Jersey/ 1362.2819 745 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1362.2819 (pause 0.15) 1362.4367 746 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1362.4367 pig. 1363.1978 747 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1363.1978 (pause 1.74) 1364.9398 748 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1364.9398 And uh 1366.1724 749 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1366.1724 (pause 0.68) 1366.8498 750 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1366.8498 f- through that 1367.7224 751 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1367.7224 (pause 1.57) 1369.2904 752 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1369.2904 one pig, we 1370.1996 753 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1370.1996 (pause 0.59) 1370.7854 754 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1370.7854 first started with, we 1372.3224 755 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1372.3224 (pause 1.42) 1373.7381 756 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1373.7381 would sell the offsprings and we 1375.8814 757 DTA_int_09 1375.7998 [/inaudible/] 1376.7655 758 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1376.0276 [taking in money] like that. 1377.3324 759 DTA_int_09 1377.4117 Yeah. Perfect. 1378.2356 760 DTA_int_09 1378.2356 (pause 0.32) 1378.5561 761 DTA_int_09 1378.5561 Uh. What were some of the things you could see from your seat in the classroom? 1382.3194 762 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1383.9490 1384.0324 763 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1384.0324 (pause 0.71) 1384.7417 764 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1384.7417 Well, as I would say, we had a modern school with modern desks. 1388.9360 765 DTA_int_09 1389.7049 Mm-hm. 1390.1564 766 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1390.8338 And we had some teachers with BS degrees at that time there. 1395.4249 767 DTA_int_09 1395.7056 Uh-huh. What did they write on in the front of the room? 1397.7773 768 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1400.0771 They had 1400.5043 769 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1400.5043 (pause 0.70) 1401.2019 770 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1401.2019 [blackboards.] 1403.1240 771 DTA_int_09 1402.8128 [Uh-huh.] 1403.1301 772 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1404.1497 1404.1892 773 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1404.1892 (pause 0.83) 1405.0157 774 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1405.0157 They wasn't the kind that sit up on- we had the- 1408.4070 775 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1408.4070 (pause 0.33) 1408.7333 776 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1408.7333 I guess it's the kind they use today. 1410.8019 777 DTA_int_09 1411.7905 Regular blackboard. 1412.7186 778 DTA_int_09 1412.7186 (pause 0.62) 1413.3409 779 DTA_int_09 1413.3409 [Good. Good.] 1413.8474 780 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1413.3771 [Mm-hm.] 1413.8469 781 DTA_int_09 1414.6041 If you walk outside the classroom, where would you be? 1417.0630 782 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1419.8499 Oh, as I told you this was a county training school and [uh.] 1424.0635 783 DTA_int_09 1423.6166 [Uh-huh.] 1424.0249 784 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1424.7470 1424.8568 785 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1424.8568 (pause 1.25) 1426.1077 786 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1426.1077 We were near the uh, highway. 1429.4541 787 DTA_int_09 1430.3486 Uh-huh. 1430.7513 788 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1431.2029 But it was a fence 1433.1555 789 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1433.1555 (pause 0.99) 1434.1424 790 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1434.1424 around the school, this include the agricultural building 1438.1730 791 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1438.1730 (pause 0.71) 1438.8851 792 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1438.8851 the school, and the dormitory for the teachers. 1441.6000 793 DTA_int_09 1443.4536 How about right outside of your classroom? How did you go from one classroom to another? Or did you just have- 1448.3464 794 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1448.6048 Oh we didn't have to go outside of the school to go from one place [to another.] 1452.9206 795 DTA_int_09 1452.0626 [What'd you go through?] Did you go through a special. 1454.2142 796 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1454.5004 Oh. We would go through a special [hall.] 1456.4807 797 DTA_int_09 1456.3831 [Uh-huh.] What was in the hall? Was there anything to get a drink or anything? 1460.2598 798 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1464.7549 No drinking /facilities/ 1466.0577 799 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1466.0577 (pause 0.36) 1466.4227 800 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1466.4227 /there/ 1466.6993 801 DTA_int_09 1466.7783 Is that right? 1467.2547 802 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1467.5905 No. 1467.8553 803 DTA_int_09 1468.6302 How about when you were uh 1469.7880 804 DTA_int_09 1469.7880 (pause 0.35) 1470.1358 805 DTA_int_09 1470.1358 in elementary school? 1471.2342 806 DTA_int_09 1471.2342 (pause 0.47) 1471.7008 807 DTA_int_09 1471.7008 Did they have um 1472.4575 808 DTA_int_09 1472.4575 (pause 1.03) 1473.4826 809 DTA_int_09 1473.4826 anything like a- 1474.4773 810 DTA_int_09 1474.4773 (pause 0.11) 1474.5903 811 DTA_int_09 1474.5903 that the kids could play on outside, right outside the school 1477.5726 812 DTA_int_09 1477.5726 (pause 0.45) 1478.0197 813 DTA_int_09 1478.0197 building. 1478.4860 814 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1479.4988 1479.5471 815 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1479.5471 (pause 1.02) 1480.5649 816 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1480.5649 No, at that time, the only thing we played mostly was marbles 1485.4602 817 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1485.4602 (pause 0.11) 1485.5720 818 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1485.5720 and baseball 1486.6277 819 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1486.6277 (pause 0.25) 1486.8735 820 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1486.8735 [in elementary] school. 1488.0057 821 DTA_int_09 1486.8735 [Uh-huh.] 1487.1282 822 DTA_int_09 1488.0972 How about the [kids now?] Do they have a playground somewhere around here that they can go to? 1492.8147 823 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1488.6955 [Catch.] 1489.2311 824 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1493.1869 Oh yes. They have [playground. But-] 1494.9061 825 DTA_int_09 1494.3194 [And what types] of things do they have on the playground? 1496.5629 826 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1497.5367 Oh they might have swings and, uh, 1499.7161 827 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1499.7161 (pause 0.17) 1499.8869 828 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1499.8869 seesaws [and uh.] 1501.6464 829 DTA_int_09 1500.9081 [Uh-huh. Anything] else you can call a seesaw? 1502.9828 830 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1504.0141 Pardon? 1504.4822 831 DTA_int_09 1504.5573 Is there anything else you can call a seesaw? 1506.5161 832 DTA_int_09 1506.5161 (pause 0.23) 1506.7480 833 DTA_int_09 1506.7480 Any other name they call it? 1508.0012 834 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1508.0455 1508.1487 835 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1508.1487 (pause 0.94) 1509.0857 836 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1509.0857 Oh. 1509.7996 837 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1509.7996 (pause 3.97) 1513.7698 838 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1513.7698 No, I wouldn't [know another name.] 1515.4803 839 DTA_int_09 1514.5048 [Okay, great.] 1515.1111 840 DTA_int_09 1515.8098 And uh, how about all these things they climb all over. 1518.6937 841 DTA_int_09 1518.6937 (pause 1.50) 1520.1890 842 DTA_int_09 1520.1890 /Kind of/- 1520.4876 843 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1521.3696 Oh yes, they have the 1523.1050 844 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1523.1050 (pause 3.54) 1526.6410 845 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1526.6410 I call them gymnastic bars that they [can] 1529.1040 846 DTA_int_09 1528.9679 [Uh-huh.] 1529.3323 847 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1529.4418 climb up and down. 1531.0137 848 DTA_int_09 1531.0445 Good. 1531.2464 849 DTA_int_09 1531.2464 (pause 1.85) 1533.1001 850 DTA_int_09 1533.1001 How about the kids? What do your kids do after school's out? 1535.7972 851 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1536.4159 1536.5136 852 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1536.5136 (pause 3.36) 1539.8697 853 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1539.8697 After school is out, uh, I uh 1543.3640 854 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1543.3640 (pause 5.21) 1548.5733 855 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1548.5733 don't be home on most 1550.1138 856 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1550.1138 (pause 0.15) 1550.2686 857 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1550.2686 ts- occasion, but uh what I understand they do after school is out, [they would] 1555.2150 858 DTA_int_09 1554.6121 [Uh-huh.] 1554.9765 859 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1556.3976 come home, and they would wash up, they'll have their lunch 1559.3347 860 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1559.3347 (pause 1.79) 1561.1288 861 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1561.1288 and they would probably go out side and play a 1563.3804 862 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1563.3804 (pause 0.21) 1563.5879 863 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1563.5879 while. And- 1564.2558 864 DTA_int_09 1564.7012 Uh-huh. 1565.0979 865 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1566.3610 And uh 1567.7218 866 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1567.7218 (pause 1.66) 1569.3859 867 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1569.3859 they would come back in and study. 1571.0390 868 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1571.0390 (pause 1.45) 1572.4894 869 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1572.4894 I have one small son that, uh, he likes to draw and tinker with [things.] 1578.0621 870 DTA_int_09 1577.9304 [Uh-huh.] 1578.3431 871 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1579.3723 And my older son, he likes to read mostly. 1582.2220 872 DTA_int_09 1582.8678 Good. 1583.0753 873 DTA_int_09 1583.0753 (pause 0.54) 1583.6123 874 DTA_int_09 1583.6123 Uh. 1583.9662 875 DTA_int_09 1583.9662 (pause 0.36) 1584.3262 876 DTA_int_09 1584.3262 Can you tell me about your teachers when you were in- back in school? Did you ever have a teacher who hollered a lot? 1588.7885 877 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1591.7705 Uh, 1591.9432 878 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1591.9432 (pause 1.14) 1593.0826 879 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1593.0826 Oh. I 1594.4128 880 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1594.4128 (pause 2.81) 1597.2198 881 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1597.2198 don't remember any teachers hollering a lot. 1600.2625 882 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1600.2625 (pause 1.40) 1601.6608 883 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1601.6608 They all were very nice. 1604.0939 884 DTA_int_09 1606.6126 Uh-huh. 1606.9591 885 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1608.6213 Because 1609.3780 886 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1609.3780 (pause 2.69) 1612.0690 887 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1612.0690 during that time, it was such a small 1614.6225 888 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1614.6225 (pause 3.48) 1618.1012 889 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1618.1012 after you passed elementary school, it was [such a] small 1621.2489 890 DTA_int_09 1620.1596 [Yeah.] 1620.3961 891 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1621.9201 group that tried to go on through until we wasn't, uh, [overcrowded.] 1626.0662 892 DTA_int_09 1625.9784 [I] see. 1626.5711 893 DTA_int_09 1628.8184 How about uh, can you tell me about the best teacher you ever had? What was she like? 1632.3515 894 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1633.1719 1633.2452 895 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1633.2452 (pause 0.36) 1633.6052 896 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1633.6052 Oh that was in my elementary school. 1635.6321 897 DTA_int_09 1635.6921 Uh-huh. 1636.1132 898 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1637.3397 I don't know why I say she was the best teacher that I have had but she would 1641.6490 899 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1641.6490 (pause 0.81) 1642.4606 900 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1642.4606 occasionally give me a sandwich or she would, uh, (laughing) 1645.7035 901 DTA_int_09 1645.7035 1646.0064 902 DTA_int_09 1646.0064 (pause 2.65) 1648.6577 903 DTA_int_09 1648.6577 Good. 1648.8957 904 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1648.9445 take me to the shore 1650.6043 905 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1650.6043 (pause 0.90) 1651.5024 906 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1651.5024 and 1652.5912 907 DTA_int_09 1654.4158 [/inaudible/] 1654.7623 908 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1654.6561 [And] in my young days, cars was rare and she would take [me to s-] 1659.3097 909 DTA_int_09 1658.4593 [/inaudible/] 1659.3861 910 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1660.1454 Selma [to the] 1661.9516 911 DTA_int_09 1661.4150 [Is that right?] 1662.0166 912 DTA_int_09 1662.1896 That's good. 1662.6534 913 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1663.1721 Uh that's where the 1664.2064 914 DTA_int_09 1664.3090 The big [city.] 1665.0726 915 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1664.8545 [church] were and uh she would take me there and 1667.9669 916 DTA_int_09 1668.6963 Uh-huh. 1669.1952 917 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1669.5161 oh. It was great I thought then. 1671.6641 918 DTA_int_09 1672.3642 Good. Good, good. 1673.0497 919 DTA_int_09 1673.0497 (pause 0.85) 1673.8968 920 DTA_int_09 1673.8968 Did you ever have a teacher you just couldn't stand? 1676.4108 921 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1678.2320 I had 1678.8117 922 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1678.8117 (pause 0.31) 1679.1229 923 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1679.1229 one 1679.4952 924 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1679.4952 (pause 0.76) 1680.2579 925 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1680.2579 particular teacher I didn't care too much for, but we got along. 1683.7080 926 DTA_int_09 1683.8362 Uh-huh. 1684.1901 927 DTA_int_09 1684.1901 (pause 3.21) 1687.3988 928 DTA_int_09 1687.3988 What was it about her that you? 1688.7769 929 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1688.8145 Uh. She thought she was too smart. 1691.6844 930 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1691.6844 (pause 0.13) 1691.8134 931 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1691.8134 [The-] she all would- 1693.5624 932 DTA_int_09 1692.1084 [Yeah.] 1692.3769 933 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1693.8492 threw up in our face that 1695.4705 934 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1695.4705 (pause 0.67) 1696.1418 935 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1696.1418 we could get it if we wanted, she had hers because she went to Columbia University in New York. 1701.5328 936 DTA_int_09 1702.1783 Uh-huh. 1702.5324 937 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1702.7580 I didn't think so much of that so I didn't care too much about that teacher, see. 1707.5848 938 DTA_int_09 1708.4757 How about the smartest kid in your class. Do you remember the smartest kid and what made him so smart? 1713.2611 939 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1714.3106 Uh, this was a girl, her name was /RD-NAME-2/. 1716.9567 940 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1716.9567 (pause 4.55) 1721.5038 941 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1721.5038 Oh. I don't see how she did it, but 1723.9159 942 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1723.9159 (pause 0.68) 1724.5992 943 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1724.5992 it didn't seem like anything was hard for her. 1727.7415 944 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1727.7415 (pause 1.70) 1729.4465 945 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1729.4465 1729.5380 946 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1729.5380 (pause 4.36) 1733.8978 947 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1733.8978 But the sad part about it, the same girl 1736.7812 948 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1736.7812 (pause 1.10) 1737.8857 949 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1737.8857 about three month before we were supposed to graduate, she ran away and marry- got married. 1742.4218 950 DTA_int_09 1742.4768 Is that right? So she never graduated? 1744.2753 951 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1744.4095 No. 1744.8306 952 DTA_int_09 1745.8313 Huh. 1746.0144 953 DTA_int_09 1746.0144 (pause 1.89) 1747.9053 954 DTA_int_09 1747.9053 How about the dumbest kid? Do you remember who- 1749.7542 955 DTA_int_09 1749.7542 (pause 0.19) 1749.9474 956 DTA_int_09 1749.9474 who the one of the dumber kids was? 1751.6743 957 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1754.7030 Mm. 1756.0089 958 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1756.0089 (pause 1.12) 1757.1333 959 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1757.1333 1757.2492 960 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1757.2492 (pause 0.99) 1758.2439 961 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1758.2439 We had a /slow/ girl. 1759.5863 962 DTA_int_09 1759.8304 Uh-huh. 1760.1600 963 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1761.3926 I wouldn't say she was dumb. 1762.9914 964 DTA_int_09 1763.1989 Just a matter of how to find [herself?] 1765.3993 965 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1765.1003 [This] was the point. She just didn't try. 1768.4443 966 DTA_int_09 1768.8239 Yeah. 1769.0985 967 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1770.0199 That's the only thing. 1771.2831 968 DTA_int_09 1772.1584 /inaudible/ 1773.1815 969 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1773.5070 [Mm-mm.] 1773.8799 970 DTA_int_09 1773.5070 [Uh. What] time do your kids get out of school now? 1775.5878 971 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1776.5857 One o'clock, I think. 1777.8305 972 DTA_int_09 1777.9970 One o'clock. 1778.5767 973 DTA_int_09 1778.5767 (pause 0.74) 1779.3204 974 DTA_int_09 1779.3204 And uh, say uh 1780.7056 975 DTA_int_09 1780.7056 (pause 1.17) 1781.8721 976 DTA_int_09 1781.8721 they get out fifteen minutes early? What time do they get out? 1784.3493 977 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1787.2417 Oh, if they got out fifteen minutes early, that would be twelve forty-five. 1790.8762 978 DTA_int_09 1790.7844 Okay, any other way you can say twelve forty-five? 1793.2008 979 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1794.8663 Well, I would say f- uh, fifteen minutes to one. 1799.1465 980 DTA_int_09 1799.3478 Okay, any other way? 1800.4950 981 DTA_int_09 1800.4950 (pause 1.66) 1802.1520 982 DTA_int_09 1802.1520 1802.9721 983 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1803.6189 I would say twelve 1804.9980 984 DTA_int_09 1805.2196 Quarter? 1805.7364 985 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1806.3283 Quarter yeah. Quarter after- 1809.1700 986 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1809.1700 (pause 0.29) 1809.4568 987 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1809.4568 A quarter to uh, one. [] 1811.7878 988 DTA_int_09 1811.3425 [Okay, good.] 1811.9647 989 DTA_int_09 1813.6842 Is there a pe- uh group of people that you associate with in this neighborhood or from the church? 1819.0133 990 DTA_int_09 1819.0133 (pause 1.12) 1820.1335 991 DTA_int_09 1820.1335 Particular group that you go around with? 1822.0317 992 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1822.4162 1822.7579 993 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1822.7579 (pause 2.15) 1824.9094 994 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1824.9094 No, I don't have no group 1826.1847 995 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1826.1847 (pause 0.43) 1826.6119 996 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1826.6119 that I go around with. I have some friends that I [visit] 1829.7649 997 DTA_int_09 1829.4068 [Uh-huh.] 1829.7974 998 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1830.0700 occasionally. 1831.0341 999 DTA_int_09 1833.0178 Mm-hm. 1833.3840 1000 DTA_int_09 1833.3840 (pause 0.65) 1834.0323 1001 DTA_int_09 1834.0323 And uh 1834.5706 1002 DTA_int_09 1834.5706 (pause 0.45) 1835.0161 1003 DTA_int_09 1835.0161 your friends are about the same- about the same age as you, or? 1837.9788 1004 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1838.0948 Same age. 1839.2603 1005 DTA_int_09 1840.0169 Uh-huh. 1840.3928 1006 DTA_int_09 1840.3928 (pause 0.42) 1840.8102 1007 DTA_int_09 1840.8102 Good. 1841.1092 1008 DTA_int_09 1841.1092 (pause 1.20) 1842.3103 1009 DTA_int_09 1842.3103 Do any of the people you associate with speak any other languages like Spanish or? 1846.8175 1010 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1848.2719 I have about two friend, but they are younger than I am. They, uh, speak Spanish. 1852.7508 1011 DTA_int_09 1853.2391 Uh-huh. Good. 1853.9749 1012 DTA_int_09 1853.9749 (pause 0.48) 1854.4593 1013 DTA_int_09 1854.4593 Are there any um white 1855.5577 1014 DTA_int_09 1855.5577 (pause 0.54) 1856.0946 1015 DTA_int_09 1856.0946 people, in the group that you go around with? 1857.9063 1016 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1859.3122 1859.4831 1017 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1859.4831 (pause 0.53) 1860.0115 1018 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1860.0115 Well, as I told you, I don't have a group that I [go around] [with.] 1863.2557 1019 DTA_int_09 1862.2151 [Yeah.] 1862.5097 1020 DTA_int_09 1862.5097 (pause 0.48) 1862.9880 1021 DTA_int_09 1862.9880 [Uh-huh.] 1863.3234 1022 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1865.2644 And uh. 1866.2507 1023 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1866.2507 (pause 4.23) 1870.4846 1024 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1870.4846 F- up until a few years ago, I had a white friend that I would 1873.6128 1025 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1873.6128 (pause 0.23) 1873.8447 1026 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1873.8447 go visit 1874.5709 1027 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1874.5709 (pause 0.21) 1874.7844 1028 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1874.7844 [occasionally,] but 1875.9133 1029 DTA_int_09 1874.7844 [Uh-huh.] 1875.2392 1030 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1876.2185 he has moved now. 1877.1521 1031 DTA_int_09 1878.5469 What do you prefer to be called, colored or Negro? 1881.4942 1032 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1882.5670 1882.6829 1033 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1882.6829 (pause 5.63) 1888.3081 1034 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1888.3081 Well, as I see it, I think uh, Negro is better than colored. 1892.0737 1035 DTA_int_09 1892.1407 Uh-huh. Any particular reason why you 1894.1057 1036 DTA_int_09 1894.1057 (pause 0.61) 1894.7116 1037 DTA_int_09 1894.7116 think that's 1895.4684 1038 DTA_int_09 1895.4684 (pause 1.85) 1897.3196 1039 DTA_int_09 1897.3196 preferable? 1897.8322 1040 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1898.3753 Well, as you know 1899.7604 1041 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1899.7604 (pause 0.23) 1899.9923 1042 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1899.9923 I- this colored came about, 1902.4315 1043 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1902.4315 (pause 0.49) 1902.9183 1044 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1902.9183 the way I understand it, that uh 1905.0785 1045 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1905.0785 (pause 0.82) 1905.8953 1046 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1905.8953 in our race, well we have (laughing) 1907.7809 1047 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1907.7809 (pause 1.60) 1909.3797 1048 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1909.3797 some that you might say look like white and some that is black. 1913.1222 1049 DTA_int_09 1913.5567 [Mm-hm.] 1913.9534 1050 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1913.9147 [So] I guess that's why that's colored uh 1916.2972 1051 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1917.0356 race come by, but that's not a set pattern for our race. 1920.5478 1052 DTA_int_09 1920.8896 Mm-hm. 1921.3228 1053 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1921.4937 As I always said, uh, if I had to say, I would say we are 1925.8041 1054 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1925.8041 (pause 0.98) 1926.7865 1055 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1926.7865 American Negro 1927.9953 1056 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1927.9953 (pause 0.15) 1928.1417 1057 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1928.1417 of African descent 1929.4954 1058 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1929.4954 (pause 0.28) 1929.7706 1059 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1929.7706 if I had to say it. 1931.0187 1060 DTA_int_09 1931.9706 Very good. 1932.5137 1061 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1932.8786 Mm-hm. 1933.2935 1062 DTA_int_09 1933.3180 Good. 1933.5377 1063 DTA_int_09 1933.5377 (pause 1.22) 1934.7581 1064 DTA_int_09 1934.7581 Uh, what did you want to do 1936.3022 1065 DTA_int_09 1936.3022 (pause 0.17) 1936.4730 1066 DTA_int_09 1936.4730 and be when you finished school? 1938.1936 1067 DTA_int_09 1938.1936 (pause 0.55) 1938.7471 1068 DTA_int_09 1938.7471 when you were younger? 1939.5600 1069 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1942.0759 As a- when I was young, I e- uh, 1944.8284 1070 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1944.8284 (pause 1.23) 1946.0610 1071 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1946.0610 1946.1464 1072 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1946.1464 (pause 0.62) 1946.7628 1073 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1946.7628 a few of my friend that uh, graduated with me, they still, they went to Tuskegee Institute. 1952.2321 1074 DTA_int_09 1952.7114 Uh-huh. 1953.1596 1075 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1954.5510 And they taken up agriculture. 1956.7295 1076 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1956.7295 (pause 0.29) 1957.0181 1077 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1957.0181 Mm. 1957.7382 1078 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1957.7382 (pause 1.40) 1959.1377 1079 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1959.1377 Some went to Montgomery State and taken up teaching. 1962.2404 1080 DTA_int_09 1962.5944 Uh-huh. 1962.9971 1081 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1964.9665 And I was gonna take up agriculture, but as 1968.2487 1082 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1968.2487 (pause 1.30) 1969.5519 1083 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1969.5519 it was, it wasn't no financial difficulty no way. 1972.4325 1084 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1972.4325 (pause 0.82) 1973.2563 1085 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1973.2563 It's just that I had a job. 1974.8672 1086 DTA_int_09 1975.2639 Yeah. 1975.5690 1087 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1976.8200 And what I thought is 1978.1736 1088 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1978.1736 (pause 0.49) 1978.6628 1089 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1978.6628 was a good job at that [time.] 1981.1308 1090 DTA_int_09 1980.5595 [Yeah.] 1980.9317 1091 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1984.7492 And in those days, a teacher wasn't making much money and I was making more money than they were. 1991.2544 1092 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1991.2544 (pause 0.67) 1991.9257 1093 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1991.9257 So, I thought that was- 1993.7052 1094 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1993.7052 (pause 2.66) 1996.3639 1095 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 1996.3639 would be fine enough for me through life, but since then I regret that day so much. 2002.1105 1096 DTA_int_09 2002.3912 Is that- what would you do over- different if you had to do it all over again? 2006.1114 1097 DTA_int_09 2006.1114 (pause 0.29) 2006.3982 1098 DTA_int_09 2006.3982 /Can you think?/ 2007.0206 1099 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2008.9186 If I had it to do over again, I would 2011.5244 1100 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2011.5244 (pause 0.56) 2012.0858 1101 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2012.0858 definite. 2012.9157 1102 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2012.9157 (pause 2.91) 2015.8299 1103 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2015.8299 If I 2016.4462 1104 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2016.4462 (pause 1.47) 2017.9133 1105 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2017.9133 wasn't able to 2019.1765 1106 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2019.1765 (pause 0.23) 2019.4023 1107 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2019.4023 get a degree, I would 2020.8973 1108 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2020.8973 (pause 0.40) 2021.2939 1109 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2021.2939 definite uh 2022.6852 1110 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2022.6852 (pause 2.09) 2024.7730 1111 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2024.7730 be able to master some trade good. 2026.9932 1112 DTA_int_09 2027.1335 Uh-huh. 2027.5302 1113 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2030.3860 Such as 2031.3562 1114 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2031.3562 (pause 0.87) 2032.2304 1115 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2032.2304 electric work. 2033.6888 1116 DTA_int_09 2034.3418 Uh-huh. 2034.6957 1117 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2036.7144 Plumber. 2037.8609 1118 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2037.8609 (pause 1.88) 2039.7447 1119 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2039.7447 Or tool and die, which I did [have some] experience in tool and die. 2043.5951 1120 DTA_int_09 2042.2305 [Uh-huh.] 2042.4735 1121 DTA_int_09 2045.0144 Good. 2045.2951 1122 DTA_int_09 2045.2951 (pause 1.28) 2046.5740 1123 DTA_int_09 2046.5740 Uh. 2046.9462 1124 DTA_int_09 2046.9462 (pause 0.80) 2047.7456 1125 DTA_int_09 2047.7456 If you had all the money in the world, all the money you could ever want, 2050.5237 1126 DTA_int_09 2050.5237 (pause 0.28) 2050.8044 1127 DTA_int_09 2050.8044 what would you do with it? 2051.7402 1128 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2058.1338 Well, money, as you know 2059.9584 1129 DTA_int_09 2060.2459 Mm-hm. 2060.6730 1130 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2061.2650 is not all, but it 2062.3878 1131 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2062.3878 (pause 0.44) 2062.8271 1132 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2062.8271 does make you independent. 2064.4442 1133 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2064.4442 (pause 2.52) 2066.9655 1134 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2066.9655 If I had money that I could use 2069.5345 1135 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2069.5345 (pause 1.41) 2070.9484 1136 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2070.9484 as I please, 2072.8584 1137 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2072.8584 (pause 0.47) 2073.3283 1138 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2073.3283 then 2073.8653 1139 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2073.8653 (pause 0.73) 2074.6002 1140 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2074.6002 wouldn't have to worry about 2075.9366 1141 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2075.9366 (pause 0.45) 2076.3821 1142 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2076.3821 spending it 2077.2671 1143 DTA_int_09 2078.0115 Mm-hm. 2078.3655 1144 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2079.0060 I don't think I would live a life much different from what I live- I'm living today. 2083.2787 1145 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2083.2787 (pause 0.76) 2084.0353 1146 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2084.0353 The only thing I would do, I would do more traveling, I would see more of the world. 2088.0219 1147 DTA_int_09 2088.4917 You'd like to see some place. 2089.9072 1148 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2090.4331 That's one thing I would do. 2091.8854 1149 DTA_int_09 2092.9350 Good. 2093.1546 1150 DTA_int_09 2093.1546 (pause 0.48) 2093.6367 1151 DTA_int_09 2093.6367 Uh. How about your job? 2095.1317 1152 DTA_int_09 2095.1317 (pause 0.25) 2095.3851 1153 DTA_int_09 2095.3851 Uh. Can you describe what you do in a day's work? 2097.8931 1154 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2100.1719 Oh. Uh. 2101.4961 1155 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2101.4961 (pause 0.51) 2102.0086 1156 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2102.0086 I have had 2102.9218 1157 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2102.9218 (pause 0.44) 2103.3652 1158 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2103.3652 quite a few jobs 2105.1740 1159 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2105.1740 (pause 2.67) 2107.8411 1160 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2107.8411 during my course of employment. 2110.2870 1161 DTA_int_09 2110.8226 Mm-hm. 2111.3099 1162 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2113.6889 Uh, I've 2114.5055 1163 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2114.5055 (pause 1.73) 2116.2399 1164 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2116.2399 been a new car 2117.4952 1165 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2117.4952 (pause 0.81) 2118.3031 1166 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2118.3031 service repairman. 2119.6744 1167 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2119.6744 (pause 2.17) 2121.8427 1168 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2121.8427 Because, it was on a factory 2123.8139 1169 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2123.8139 (pause 0.34) 2124.1564 1170 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2124.1564 base. 2124.7622 1171 DTA_int_09 2124.9335 Yeah. 2125.2013 1172 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2125.5843 This was at /RD-WORK-3/ in new car 2127.6740 1173 DTA_int_09 2128.4160 Mm-hm. 2128.7716 1174 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2129.1536 in the, uh, /??/ /assembly/. 2130.9404 1175 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2130.9404 (pause 5.61) 2136.5545 1176 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2136.5545 And uh. 2137.6871 1177 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2137.6871 (pause 1.04) 2138.7233 1178 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2138.7233 I been on- 2139.7989 1179 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2139.7989 (pause 0.81) 2140.6122 1180 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2140.6122 I did welding and welding repair. 2142.8869 1181 DTA_int_09 2143.1678 Uh-huh. 2143.5586 1182 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2146.2547 And now, my present job is an inspector. 2149.2665 1183 DTA_int_09 2151.3052 Uh-huh. What types of things do you [inspect?] 2153.7559 1184 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2153.6540 [Oh] well, we inspect parts that goes into the automobile now 2158.1864 1185 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2158.7571 [/into/] the car. 2159.9776 1186 DTA_int_09 2158.7571 [Uh-huh.] 2159.1057 1187 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2161.6706 Such as uh, 2163.1457 1188 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2163.1457 (pause 0.92) 2164.0702 1189 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2164.0702 molding, 2165.2004 1190 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2165.2004 (pause 0.40) 2165.5993 1191 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2165.5993 oil pans, 2167.3911 1192 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2167.3911 (pause 0.65) 2168.0459 1193 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2168.0459 regulators, 2169.6126 1194 DTA_int_09 2173.5001 Good. 2173.7075 1195 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2173.7869 and different type of chrome and fittings. 2177.1074 1196 DTA_int_09 2177.7420 Good. 2178.0056 1197 DTA_int_09 2178.0056 (pause 0.56) 2178.5632 1198 DTA_int_09 2178.5632 Uh. How about this neighborhood? What 2180.2271 1199 DTA_int_09 2180.2271 (pause 0.27) 2180.4993 1200 DTA_int_09 2180.4993 do they call this part of town? 2182.0008 1201 DTA_int_09 2182.0008 (pause 0.27) 2182.2746 1202 DTA_int_09 2182.2746 Any particular name that they call it? 2184.0790 1203 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2185.5206 2185.6085 1204 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2185.6085 (pause 2.51) 2188.1153 1205 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2188.1153 No, I don't know of no particular name. 2190.8993 1206 DTA_int_09 2191.2208 Mm-hm. 2191.7066 1207 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2191.6895 But I do know that they say, you know, within this 2195.1765 1208 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2195.3477 boulevard, Avery, 2196.4365 1209 DTA_int_09 2196.7658 Mm-hm. 2197.0951 1210 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2198.5746 it is, uh, 2199.9811 1211 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2199.9811 (pause 2.80) 2202.7779 1212 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2202.7779 going to be /in an/ 2203.9389 1213 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2203.9389 (pause 1.04) 2204.9838 1214 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2204.9838 future part of the 2206.5385 1215 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2206.5385 (pause 1.19) 2207.7283 1216 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2207.7283 urban renewal. 2209.0514 1217 DTA_int_09 2209.4509 Uh-huh. Good. 2210.2236 1218 DTA_int_09 2210.2236 (pause 0.71) 2210.9315 1219 DTA_int_09 2210.9315 Uh-huh. What's this city called? 2212.3144 1220 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2214.6539 Oh this is uh Detroit. 2217.9252 1221 DTA_int_09 2218.0186 Uh-huh. 2218.3726 1222 DTA_int_09 2218.3726 (pause 1.12) 2219.4969 1223 DTA_int_09 2219.4969 Just trying to 2220.0568 1224 DTA_int_09 2220.0568 (pause 0.26) 2220.3130 1225 DTA_int_09 2220.3130 some people say Detroit, others say Detroit (atypical pronunciation). That's all. 2223.4317 1226 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2223.4693 Mm-hm. 2224.0429 1227 DTA_int_09 2224.8234 What are some of the streets of Detroit? What about the big ones? 2227.8719 1228 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2229.1187 2229.1802 1229 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2229.1802 (pause 1.41) 2230.5938 1230 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2230.5938 I would say Gratiot, uh, Grand River, uh, Woodward and uh. 2235.0889 1231 DTA_int_09 2235.4753 Uh-huh. 2235.7870 1232 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2236.4279 Jefferson, Ford. 2237.8284 1233 DTA_int_09 2238.4925 Uh-huh. 2238.9257 1234 DTA_int_09 2238.9257 (pause 0.40) 2239.3299 1235 DTA_int_09 2239.3299 How about the one that goes by University of Detroit? 2241.7105 1236 DTA_int_09 2241.7105 (pause 0.91) 2242.6236 1237 DTA_int_09 2242.6236 /inaudible/ 2242.9925 1238 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2243.0188 [Uh.] 2244.5730 1239 DTA_int_09 2244.0159 [/inaudible/] 2244.5576 1240 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2245.1349 Yes, that's Outer Drive. 2246.8705 1241 DTA_int_09 2246.9175 Yeah. 2247.2287 1242 DTA_int_09 2247.2287 (pause 0.29) 2247.5227 1243 DTA_int_09 2247.5227 This one begins with a Liver. 2248.6505 1244 DTA_int_09 2248.6505 (pause 0.81) 2249.4582 1245 DTA_int_09 2249.4582 Liver- 2250.0158 1246 DTA_int_09 2250.0158 (pause 1.90) 2251.9148 1247 DTA_int_09 2251.9148 Goes by University [of De-] 2253.0986 1248 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2252.8911 [Oh Liver-] 2253.8062 1249 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2254.6245 Livernois? 2255.3564 1250 DTA_int_09 2255.4418 Yeah. 2255.6676 1251 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2255.8568 Oh yes. 2256.3900 1252 DTA_int_09 2256.4426 Good. 2256.6562 1253 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2257.0615 I thought Outer Drive. 2258.4396 1254 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2258.4396 (pause 1.43) 2259.8648 1255 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2259.8648 [Oh that is Livernois] 2260.9669 1256 DTA_int_09 2260.0595 [/It's the same thing, yeah/.] 2261.2601 1257 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2261.2964 Livernois, it is. That's what it is. 2263.3896 1258 DTA_int_09 2263.5520 What about these big streets where they don't have uh, any traffic lights? 2267.1696 1259 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2270.1256 2270.2232 1260 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2270.2232 (pause 0.48) 2270.7011 1261 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2270.7011 Well I wouldn't call those big streets. 2272.6295 1262 DTA_int_09 2273.2836 Well, you know, where the cars can go fifty five and sixty miles an hour in the 2277.1410 1263 DTA_int_09 2277.1410 (pause 0.30) 2277.4396 1264 DTA_int_09 2277.4396 center city? 2278.1596 1265 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2278.4608 I would call them, uh, freeways, [express, uh] 2283.1359 1266 DTA_int_09 2281.6601 [Okay. Good. Good. That's] /what I want/. 2283.6430 1267 DTA_int_09 2284.2423 And uh what are some of the freeways or expressways here? 2287.3179 1268 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2288.6742 Well we have the 2289.8157 1269 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2289.8157 (pause 0.41) 2290.2284 1270 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2290.2284 Edsel Ford, we have the John C. Lodge, we have now the Chrysler's under 2295.0686 1271 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2295.0686 (pause 1.32) 2296.3901 1272 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2296.3901 construction and we have one that is 2300.2085 1273 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2300.2085 (pause 1.64) 2301.8461 1274 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2301.8461 under construction which is never finished that is running from uh 2305.5295 1275 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2305.5295 (pause 1.00) 2306.5261 1276 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2306.5261 out Grand River to Madison. 2308.2389 1277 DTA_int_09 2308.4540 Uh-huh. 2308.8184 1278 DTA_int_09 2308.8184 (pause 0.87) 2309.6920 1279 DTA_int_09 2309.6920 Good. 2309.8940 1280 DTA_int_09 2309.8940 (pause 0.85) 2310.7413 1281 DTA_int_09 2310.7413 Uh, where were you born? 2312.0030 1282 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2313.8556 I was born, uh, 2315.3659 1283 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2315.3659 (pause 0.56) 2315.9235 1284 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2315.9235 five miles- miles from Selma, Alabama. 2319.5509 1285 DTA_int_09 2319.6387 Is that right? 2320.2728 1286 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2320.4071 Mm-hm. 2320.8891 1287 DTA_int_09 2321.3246 /??/ 2321.7987 1288 DTA_int_09 2321.7987 (pause 0.18) 2321.9831 1289 DTA_int_09 2321.9831 Where else have you lived in Detroit? Any place else in Detroit? 2324.9493 1290 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2325.8888 I lived, uh, 2328.1103 1291 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2328.1103 (pause 2.02) 2330.1338 1292 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2330.1338 I always have lived on East Side. 2332.4495 1293 DTA_int_09 2332.7612 Uh-huh. 2333.2529 1294 DTA_int_09 2333.2529 (pause 1.47) 2334.7237 1295 DTA_int_09 2334.7237 How about outside of Detroit? Any place besides Selma? 2337.7140 1296 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2339.8707 Oh yes. I've lived in 2342.1624 1297 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2342.1624 (pause 1.93) 2344.0974 1298 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2344.0974 Mobile. 2345.0545 1299 DTA_int_09 2345.4489 [Uh-huh.] 2345.9191 1300 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2345.4891 [That is where] I married at, 2346.8077 1301 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2346.9883 Mobile. 2347.7787 1302 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2347.7787 (pause 0.68) 2348.4635 1303 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2348.4635 I lived in Birmingham. 2350.7375 1304 DTA_int_09 2350.7404 Uh-huh. 2351.1970 1305 DTA_int_09 2351.1970 (pause 3.75) 2354.9505 1306 DTA_int_09 2354.9505 Where have you gone on trips? 2356.1992 1307 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2357.1738 Oh I have gone to 2358.7186 1308 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2358.7186 (pause 2.39) 2361.1069 1309 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2361.1069 Chicago, uh. 2362.4493 1310 DTA_int_09 2362.8180 Uh-huh. 2363.2000 1311 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2364.5055 Cleveland 2365.5680 1312 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2365.5680 (pause 0.97) 2366.5377 1313 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2366.5377 2366.6462 1314 DTA_int_09 2366.6767 What do you think of all these [/inaudible/] 2368.0296 1315 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2367.5086 [Indianapolis], Buffalo. 2370.2387 1316 DTA_int_09 2371.3754 Good. 2371.6255 1317 DTA_int_09 2371.6255 (pause 0.44) 2372.0705 1318 DTA_int_09 2372.0705 What do you think of all these goings on in- 2373.8970 1319 DTA_int_09 2373.8970 (pause 0.35) 2374.2491 1320 DTA_int_09 2374.2491 in Selma now? 2375.1601 1321 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2376.5672 2376.6832 1322 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2376.6832 (pause 1.26) 2377.9414 1323 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2377.9414 Well this is something that should have taken place years ago. 2381.1902 1324 DTA_int_09 2381.3087 About a hundred years ago huh? 2382.6170 1325 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2382.8980 Well it did take place a hundred years ago, but it didn't last long. 2386.1095 1326 DTA_int_09 2386.4168 Uh-huh. 2386.7987 1327 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2386.9656 I think it lasted only, what? About, uh, 2389.6584 1328 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2389.6584 (pause 2.42) 2392.0791 1329 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2392.0791 down the Reconstruction era, I [think that] was about 2395.0645 1330 DTA_int_09 2394.0657 [/inaudible/] 2394.4916 1331 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2397.2904 I j- don't remember how long it last, but it 2399.7105 1332 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2399.7105 (pause 0.27) 2399.9827 1333 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2399.9827 was 2400.7422 1334 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2400.7422 (pause 2.55) 2403.2886 1335 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2403.2886 until the 2404.1359 1336 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2404.1359 (pause 3.37) 2407.5109 1337 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2407.5109 peoples in the North and the peoples in the South 2409.8158 1338 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2409.8158 (pause 2.62) 2412.4362 1339 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2412.4362 decided they didn't want this or that. 2414.6692 1340 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2414.6692 (pause 1.31) 2415.9775 1341 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2415.9775 A lot of people think, 2416.8468 1342 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2416.8468 (pause 2.59) 2419.4381 1343 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2419.4381 which it is true that uh, 2421.7518 1344 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2421.7518 (pause 3.46) 2425.2118 1345 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2425.2118 those peoples in the South is 2427.5484 1346 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2427.5484 (pause 1.65) 2429.1954 1347 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2429.1954 worse than some of the peoples in the North, but 2431.5179 1348 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2431.5179 (pause 0.65) 2432.1677 1349 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2432.1677 I don't think so. 2433.2784 1350 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2433.2784 (pause 3.51) 2436.7835 1351 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2436.7835 Because I've 2437.5606 1352 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2437.5606 (pause 0.30) 2437.8635 1353 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2437.8635 had contact with the lot, 2439.2217 1354 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2439.2217 (pause 0.22) 2439.4412 1355 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2439.4412 they'll laugh and run with you, but they'll cut your throat behind your back. 2443.5500 1356 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2443.5500 (pause 1.74) 2445.2885 1357 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2445.2885 Those peoples in the South gonna come out and tell you if they like you or whether they [don't.] 2450.2127 1358 DTA_int_09 2449.8591 [Uh-huh.] 2450.2496 1359 DTA_int_09 2452.1281 Uh, that's pretty true. 2453.2810 1360 DTA_int_09 2453.2810 (pause 0.76) 2454.0405 1361 DTA_int_09 2454.0405 Uh, how about some of the holidays you celebrate around here? What are the big holidays? 2457.9583 1362 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2462.2240 Oh, so far as holidays is concerned, I like all holidays. 2466.6248 1363 DTA_int_09 2466.7285 2467.6194 1364 DTA_int_09 2467.6194 (pause 0.41) 2468.0312 1365 DTA_int_09 2468.0312 How about that one around the twenty-fifth of December? 2470.4853 1366 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2474.0299 Twenty-fifth of December, oh, Christmas? 2477.0802 1367 DTA_int_09 2477.0985 Yeah, how do you celebrate that? 2478.2823 1368 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2478.3372 Mm. 2479.4524 1369 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2479.4524 (pause 1.85) 2481.2985 1370 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2481.2985 Well, Christmas is more of uh, my way of thinking is- sh- should be sacred. 2487.4625 1371 DTA_int_09 2487.7066 Uh-huh. 2488.1154 1372 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2489.3843 Because we go to church on [Christmas] 2491.6672 1373 DTA_int_09 2491.3643 [Right.] 2491.7155 1374 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2492.1765 night. 2492.6507 1375 DTA_int_09 2493.4804 Uh-huh. 2493.8160 1376 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2495.8292 But on Christmas day, uh we might c- 2498.2290 1377 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2498.2290 (pause 1.68) 2499.9061 1378 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2499.9061 get up 2500.2310 1379 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2500.2310 (pause 0.69) 2500.9202 1380 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2500.9202 around eight 2501.5656 1381 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2501.5656 (pause 0.60) 2502.1671 1382 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2502.1671 thirty. 2503.0479 1383 DTA_int_09 2503.2674 Uh-huh. 2503.6976 1384 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2504.2771 The, uh, children will open their toys 2506.9728 1385 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2506.9728 (pause 1.55) 2508.5236 1386 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2508.5236 and 2509.2612 1387 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2509.2612 (pause 0.51) 2509.7721 1388 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2509.7721 we'll have a big dinner [and so] forth. 2512.1516 1389 DTA_int_09 2511.3362 [Uh-huh.] 2511.7817 1390 DTA_int_09 2513.1784 Good. 2513.3847 1391 DTA_int_09 2513.3847 (pause 0.58) 2513.9631 1392 DTA_int_09 2513.9631 How about that uh, holiday around October thirty-first? 2517.1823 1393 DTA_int_09 2517.1823 (pause 2.00) 2519.1843 1394 DTA_int_09 2519.1843 I bet your son goes out for. 2520.5557 1395 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2520.8630 Well that's 2521.8815 1396 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2521.8815 (pause 0.36) 2522.2459 1397 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2522.2459 day. 2523.3260 1398 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2523.3260 (pause 1.24) 2524.5689 1399 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2524.5689 You said October? 2525.4988 1400 DTA_int_09 2525.6331 Yeah. 2525.8860 1401 DTA_int_09 2525.8860 (pause 0.70) 2526.5862 1402 DTA_int_09 2526.5862 The end of October. 2527.6224 1403 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2527.9999 That day is most uh, what I would say 2531.6263 1404 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2531.6263 (pause 2.59) 2534.2121 1405 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2534.2121 it should be, which 2535.5676 1406 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2535.5676 (pause 0.23) 2535.8003 1407 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2535.8003 we do mostly, 2537.4291 1408 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2537.4291 (pause 0.46) 2537.8901 1409 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2537.8901 our family 2538.9877 1410 DTA_int_09 2539.3265 Uh-huh. 2539.7055 1411 DTA_int_09 2539.7055 (pause 0.81) 2540.5133 1412 DTA_int_09 2540.5133 [This is the] time when uh. 2541.9627 1413 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2540.6629 [dinner.] 2541.1145 1414 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2542.0786 That Thanksgiving [isn't it?] 2543.3060 1415 DTA_int_09 2543.0489 [Uh.] Uh. That's November, October when the- 2545.5867 1416 DTA_int_09 2545.7508 the ladies on brooms ride, 2547.3824 1417 DTA_int_09 2547.3824 (pause 0.78) 2548.1638 1418 DTA_int_09 2548.1638 the kids like it. 2548.9409 1419 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2549.6960 Oh, I don't 2550.4566 1420 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2550.4566 (pause 1.93) 2552.3834 1421 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2552.3834 have too much stress on that. 2553.9722 1422 DTA_int_09 2554.1491 What's the name on that 2555.2963 1423 DTA_int_09 2555.2963 (pause 0.23) 2555.5221 1424 DTA_int_09 2555.5221 holiday? 2556.0548 1425 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2559.5752 October the [thirty-first?] 2561.6797 1426 DTA_int_09 2561.3615 [Yeah.] The end of October, when the witches, 2563.4606 1427 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2563.7251 October, [November.] 2565.4066 1428 DTA_int_09 2564.6621 [they have the things] they uh, carved out. They put 'em in the window. 2567.8163 1429 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2567.8339 That't not a legal holiday. 2569.1998 1430 DTA_int_09 2569.5993 No. 2569.8364 1431 DTA_int_09 2569.8364 (pause 0.52) 2570.3527 1432 DTA_int_09 2570.3527 It's just uh- 2570.9849 1433 DTA_int_09 2570.9849 (pause 0.34) 2571.3274 1434 DTA_int_09 2571.3274 [for] the kids. 2571.8454 1435 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2571.3386 [Oh.] 2571.5155 1436 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2571.9288 Well, we don't uh 2573.5928 1437 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2573.5928 (pause 1.78) 2575.3747 1438 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2575.3747 celebrate that so 2576.4459 1439 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2576.4459 (pause 0.30) 2576.7444 1440 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2576.7444 [much] that I know of. 2577.9649 1441 DTA_int_09 2576.9579 [Uh-huh.] 2577.3180 1442 DTA_int_09 2578.5395 The kids dress up in costumes 2580.5678 1443 DTA_int_09 2580.5678 (pause 0.67) 2581.2345 1444 DTA_int_09 2581.2345 and they go around the neighborhood. 2582.5390 1445 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2583.5131 Oh. Halloween? 2584.7726 1446 DTA_int_09 2584.7848 Yeah. That's it. 2585.5370 1447 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2590.4546 Well, on that day, uh, 2593.0932 1448 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2593.0932 (pause 0.89) 2593.9795 1449 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2593.9795 quite naturally, if you have children, 2595.9595 1450 DTA_int_09 2596.1044 Uh-huh. 2596.4951 1451 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2599.7565 you going to 2600.8585 1452 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2600.8585 (pause 1.11) 2601.9692 1453 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2601.9692 have your porch light on. 2603.2073 1454 DTA_int_09 2604.2099 Uh-huh. And what's those things they carve out and put in the windows sometimes? 2607.7369 1455 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2607.9872 Pumpkins? 2608.8679 1456 DTA_int_09 2608.9289 Uh-huh. And what are those ladies that fly on brooms? 2611.3978 1457 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2612.2902 Oh they call them [witches.] 2614.3009 1458 DTA_int_09 2613.9661 [] 2614.2834 1459 DTA_int_09 2614.7559 Okay, a- 2615.6339 1460 DTA_int_09 2615.6339 (pause 0.55) 2616.1876 1461 DTA_int_09 2616.1876 What do the kids say when they go up to the door? 2617.9569 1462 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2620.8303 What I can understand, they say trick or [treat.] 2623.3149 1463 DTA_int_09 2623.1623 [Anything] else they could say? 2624.4578 1464 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2625.7287 That's all I remember. 2626.9593 1465 DTA_int_09 2626.8998 Okay, good. 2627.4417 1466 DTA_int_09 2628.0594 Uh. How about the night before, when they um 2630.3325 1467 DTA_int_09 2630.3325 (pause 0.33) 2630.6661 1468 DTA_int_09 2630.6661 can do mischief, they can ring doorbells and 2633.0237 1469 DTA_int_09 2633.0237 (pause 0.59) 2633.6117 1470 DTA_int_09 2633.6117 turn over garbage pails. Is there any special name you call that night? 2636.7362 1471 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2639.4686 Not no specia- I- if it does, I don't remember it. Uh. 2642.9797 1472 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2642.9797 (pause 0.68) 2643.6646 1473 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2643.6646 But I know of 2644.4724 1474 DTA_int_09 2646.3234 Uh-huh 2646.6652 1475 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2646.6652 some 2647.3854 1476 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2647.9122 children might go through the neighborhood and turn over garbage cans and 2651.5122 1477 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2651.5122 (pause 0.11) 2651.6263 1478 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2651.6263 thing like that. Mark your windows and so forth. 2654.2835 1479 DTA_int_09 2654.6172 Okay, good. Um. 2655.7148 1480 DTA_int_09 2655.7148 (pause 0.34) 2656.0528 1481 DTA_int_09 2656.0528 What kinds of things do fights start around here in the neighborhood? 2659.2138 1482 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2660.2807 Fight? 2660.9846 1483 DTA_int_09 2661.0212 Yeah. 2661.2592 1484 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2666.8238 I don't see too many fights 2668.2331 1485 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2668.2331 (pause 0.36) 2668.5931 1486 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2668.5931 among the adults [/or the/] 2670.5275 1487 DTA_int_09 2670.0858 [Uh-huh.] 2670.5275 1488 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2670.8085 teenagers, but among the children, well I 2673.0695 1489 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2673.0695 (pause 0.90) 2673.9695 1490 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2673.9695 they can start a fight just over a toy or over one holding a ball too long. 2678.2878 1491 DTA_int_09 2678.7049 Uh-huh. 2679.0605 1492 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2679.6049 But those fights don't last long when they- 2682.5250 1493 DTA_int_09 2683.4974 Are there any rules for a fair fight? 2685.3106 1494 DTA_int_09 2685.3106 (pause 0.23) 2685.5453 1495 DTA_int_09 2685.5453 /inaudible/ 2686.1215 1496 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2688.4584 Not that I can see, it's no [rules.] 2691.9671 1497 DTA_int_09 2691.6986 [How about] if you're wrestling and fighting or something and don't want to fight anymore, is there anything you can say I don't want to fight anymore? 2696.9130 1498 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2697.4442 Well, uh, what I used to say when I was a teenager, I would tell the fella if 2701.9700 1499 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2701.9700 (pause 0.45) 2702.4178 1500 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2702.4178 he was getting the best of me, I would tell him he was the best, 2705.4866 1501 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2705.4866 (pause 0.10) 2705.5876 1502 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2705.5876 I give. 2706.4393 1503 DTA_int_09 2706.5403 Uh-huh. [I give.] 2707.3259 1504 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2706.7993 [And we'll] get up and [shake hands.] 2709.0224 1505 DTA_int_09 2707.8247 [Anything else you can say] besides I give? 2710.0190 1506 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2713.2129 I tell him I've had enough. 2714.5578 1507 DTA_int_09 2714.5915 Uh-huh. Well good. 2715.4256 1508 DTA_int_09 2715.4256 (pause 3.11) 2718.5356 1509 DTA_int_09 2718.5356 How about the teenagers around here, do they fight in gangs or? 2722.1806 1510 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2722.7337 No, we used to have 2724.6527 1511 DTA_int_09 2725.7662 Uh-huh. 2726.1320 1512 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2726.0056 before the war. I mean, shortly after the war too. 2729.4788 1513 DTA_int_09 2730.0639 Uh-huh. 2730.4789 1514 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2732.1234 But since the Korean War, we haven't had too many teen gangs. 2736.5730 1515 DTA_int_09 2736.6096 Uh-huh. 2737.0795 1516 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2737.5470 I've known a time that I had a son- this- this son that had on the uniform. 2742.0695 1517 DTA_int_09 2742.2587 Uh-huh. 2742.6002 1518 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2743.1095 He had a little job at a theater, 2745.1438 1519 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2745.1438 (pause 1.99) 2747.1370 1520 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2747.1370 his mother and I- uh, mother or I would have to pick him up every night. 2750.9796 1521 DTA_int_09 2751.4230 Is that right? It was so dangerous [then?] 2753.2848 1522 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2752.8027 [Oh yes.] 2753.5716 1523 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2753.7729 Mm-hm. 2754.1208 1524 DTA_int_09 2755.3276 What would they do? Jump him? /inaudible/ 2756.7369 1525 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2758.7421 Well it's certain thing they would demand. 2760.8357 1526 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2760.8357 (pause 0.81) 2761.6408 1527 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2761.6408 They would demand 2763.1423 1528 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2763.1423 (pause 4.39) 2767.5276 1529 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2767.5276 that he let them into the show 2769.3191 1530 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2769.3191 (pause 0.34) 2769.6547 1531 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2769.6547 without pay. 2770.4328 1532 DTA_int_09 2770.6435 Oh. 2771.1436 1533 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2772.5314 Or if they needed s- 2774.0965 1534 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2774.0965 (pause 0.52) 2774.6145 1535 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2774.6145 some change to make out what they want, that he would give it to them. 2778.1915 1536 DTA_int_09 2779.7176 Hm, /inaudible/ 2780.8183 1537 DTA_int_09 2780.8183 (pause 0.67) 2781.4897 1538 DTA_int_09 2781.4897 Have you ever been in the hospital? 2782.7321 1539 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2783.0246 Oh yes. Recently. 2784.1749 1540 DTA_int_09 2784.5041 Is that right? What was the worst illness you've ever had? 2786.8785 1541 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2788.0191 The worst what? 2788.4933 1542 DTA_int_09 2788.7479 Illness you've ever had. 2789.8581 1543 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2790.8283 Ulcers. 2791.7635 1544 DTA_int_09 2792.1992 Uh-huh. 2792.6206 1545 DTA_int_09 2792.6206 (pause 1.42) 2794.0387 1546 DTA_int_09 2794.0387 This was just recently? 2795.1363 1547 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2795.5402 Oh yes. Mm-hm. 2796.5043 1548 DTA_int_09 2796.8277 Uh-huh. 2797.2793 1549 DTA_int_09 2797.2793 (pause 2.14) 2799.4228 1550 DTA_int_09 2799.4228 Uh. When a person starts to sneeze or cough, you might say uh 2802.6453 1551 DTA_int_09 2802.6453 (pause 0.20) 2802.8428 1552 DTA_int_09 2802.8428 don't get near- near me, I don't wanna 2804.5243 1553 DTA_int_09 2804.5243 (pause 0.63) 2805.1526 1554 DTA_int_09 2805.1526 what your cold? 2805.9517 1555 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2810.3463 Well y- e- 2811.2946 1556 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2811.2946 (pause 1.27) 2812.5678 1557 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2812.5678 a person shouldn't have to tell one that. 2814.2822 1558 DTA_int_09 2814.3349 Okay, but is there a special phrase they can use a word in the- get away, I don't wanna 2818.4206 1559 DTA_int_09 2818.4206 (pause 0.57) 2818.9869 1560 DTA_int_09 2818.9869 what your cold. 2819.7289 1561 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2820.5372 Only thing I would say if I saw some 2823.4819 1562 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2823.4819 (pause 0.18) 2823.6582 1563 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2823.6582 one coughing 2824.6306 1564 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2824.6306 (pause 0.18) 2824.8062 1565 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2824.8062 to the extreme, I would tell them they should see their doctor. Or shoul- they should stay in bed or- 2830.0794 1566 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2830.0794 (pause 0.51) 2830.5887 1567 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2830.5887 or stay at home. 2831.8048 1568 DTA_int_09 2832.3783 Uh-huh. 2832.7734 1569 DTA_int_09 2832.7734 (pause 1.40) 2834.1750 1570 DTA_int_09 2834.1750 Good. 2834.3506 1571 DTA_int_09 2834.3506 (pause 1.06) 2835.4131 1572 DTA_int_09 2835.4131 Have you ever been in an automobile accident? 2837.4513 1573 DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 2840.6123 No. 2841.2006