Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 0.5165 One. 1.0548 2 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1.0548 (pause 0.45) 1.5013 3 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1.5013 Two. 2.0335 4 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2.0335 (pause 0.48) 2.5137 5 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2.5137 Three. 3.0581 6 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 3.0581 (pause 0.36) 3.4217 7 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 3.4217 Four. 4.0456 8 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 4.0456 (pause 0.36) 4.4096 9 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 4.4096 Five. 4.9886 10 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 4.9886 (pause 0.45) 5.4372 11 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 5.4372 Six. 6.0856 12 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 6.0856 (pause 0.16) 6.2473 13 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 6.2473 Seven. 6.9202 14 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 6.9202 (pause 0.59) 7.5105 15 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 7.5105 Eight. 7.9723 16 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 7.9723 (pause 0.35) 8.3271 17 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 8.3271 Nine. 8.9725 18 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 8.9725 (pause 0.19) 9.1648 19 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 9.1648 Ten. 9.6755 20 DTA_int_08 10.6359 Okay. 11.0090 21 DTA_int_08 11.0090 (pause 0.28) 11.2935 22 DTA_int_08 11.2935 Uh, to start with Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/- /?/ Mrs. /RD-NAME-1/, 13.7619 23 DTA_int_08 13.7619 (pause 0.35) 14.1100 24 DTA_int_08 14.1100 I'm gonna have to ask you to reminisce a little bit back when you were in grade school. 17.0864 25 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 17.3920 Okay. 17.7682 26 DTA_int_08 18.1641 What kind of games did the children play then? 20.0466 27 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 20.2972 20.3736 28 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 20.3736 (pause 0.12) 20.4959 29 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 20.4959 The same ones they play today. Hopscotch, 22.8266 30 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 22.8266 (pause 1.09) 23.9146 31 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 23.9146 and 24.5705 32 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 24.5705 (pause 0.81) 25.3804 33 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 25.3804 baseball, 26.1444 34 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 26.1444 (pause 0.39) 26.5295 35 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 26.5295 kickball, 27.2161 36 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 27.2161 (pause 0.66) 27.8731 37 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 27.8731 jacks, 28.6450 38 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 28.6450 (pause 1.00) 29.6456 39 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 29.6456 circle games, 30.7112 40 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 30.7112 (pause 0.28) 30.9923 41 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 30.9923 farmer in the dell, 32.0039 42 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 32.0039 (pause 0.84) 32.8412 43 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 32.8412 same things. 33.6409 44 DTA_int_08 33.8365 Okay. 34.2617 45 DTA_int_08 34.2617 (pause 0.14) 34.4018 46 DTA_int_08 34.4018 Uh, did you play the game where everybody goes and hides? 36.3044 47 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 36.8640 Hide and seek? [Yes.] 38.1995 48 DTA_int_08 37.7930 [Mm-hm.] 38.0789 49 DTA_int_08 38.1995 How do you play that? 38.7923 50 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 39.6256 A person goes to the tree or post and 42.5184 51 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 42.5184 (pause 0.50) 43.0168 52 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 43.0168 hides his eyes. 44.1872 53 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 44.1872 (pause 0.34) 44.5295 54 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 44.5295 And 45.1091 55 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 45.1091 (pause 2.40) 47.5092 56 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 47.5092 I think there's a little verse you say 49.2643 57 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 49.2643 (pause 3.29) 52.5577 58 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 52.5577 or you count. 53.5417 59 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 53.5417 (pause 1.11) 54.6500 60 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 54.6500 And then, um, 55.8205 61 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 55.8205 (pause 2.03) 57.8494 62 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 57.8494 ready or- ready or not, I think you call out. 60.4514 63 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 60.4514 (pause 0.93) 61.3774 64 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 61.3774 And then, uh, the person looks. 63.4422 65 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 63.4422 (pause 1.14) 64.5821 66 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 64.5821 The person who was hiding his eyes will look for the ones 67.8755 67 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 67.8755 (pause 0.93) 68.8045 68 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 68.8045 who hid. 69.3444 69 DTA_int_08 69.5767 Mm-hm. 69.9312 70 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 70.4110 And then the person who 72.3078 71 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 72.3078 (pause 0.62) 72.9281 72 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 72.9281 runs and touches the post is not out. 75.8609 73 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 75.8609 (pause 0.51) 76.3682 74 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 76.3682 And if the person who had his eyes closed, 79.2160 75 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 79.2160 (pause 0.98) 80.1933 76 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 80.1933 um, 80.9994 77 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 80.9994 (pause 0.65) 81.6470 78 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 81.6470 I guess 82.2643 79 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 82.2643 (pause 0.54) 82.8083 80 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 82.8083 he has to do it again or something like [that.] 85.1696 81 DTA_int_08 84.8857 [Mm-hm.] 85.1949 82 DTA_int_08 85.5913 When you play the game for the first time, 87.3912 83 DTA_int_08 87.3912 (pause 0.35) 87.7417 84 DTA_int_08 87.7417 how did you decide who was gonna be the person to count? 90.3200 85 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 90.8762 Who would be it? 91.8083 86 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 91.8083 (pause 1.74) 93.5461 87 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 93.5461 I don't know, I don't remember [this.] 95.1872 88 DTA_int_08 95.1139 [Did] you say any rhymes or anything, putting your hands or your feet in? 97.7699 89 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 98.5967 Eenie meenie miney moe? 99.8120 90 DTA_int_08 99.9342 How's that go? 100.5760 91 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 100.7777 Eenie meenie miney moe, catch a tiger by the toe, if his 104.1811 92 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 104.1811 (pause 0.59) 104.7679 93 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 104.7679 father let's him go, 106.2521 94 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 106.2521 (pause 3.26) 109.5088 95 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 109.5088 out goes Y-O-U. 111.0313 96 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 111.0313 (pause 0.38) 111.4117 97 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 111.4117 That's i- that isn't right. 112.8755 98 DTA_int_08 112.9641 Huh. 113.1505 99 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 113.4867 Eenie meenie /hepperdigs/ diddly a diddly /a dominics hochie cochie/- 117.3644 100 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 117.3644 (pause 0.45) 117.8120 101 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 117.8120 I don't remember. 118.8144 102 DTA_int_08 119.0650 Okay. 119.4378 103 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 119.6670 Out [goes] Y-O-U. 120.7570 104 DTA_int_08 119.7964 [Um,] 120.0165 105 DTA_int_08 121.0351 did you ever play marbles? 122.1597 106 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 122.9604 Not me. 123.5339 107 DTA_int_08 123.7264 Mm-hm. 124.1482 108 DTA_int_08 124.1482 (pause 0.10) 124.2521 109 DTA_int_08 124.2521 How do you play jacks? 125.1053 110 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 125.7342 You throw the ball up 126.9923 111 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 126.9923 (pause 0.13) 127.1207 112 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 127.1207 and pick up 128.3710 113 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 128.3710 (pause 0.12) 128.4898 114 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 128.4898 the jack 129.4819 115 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 129.4819 (pause 0.16) 129.6409 116 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 129.6409 before 130.5118 117 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 130.5118 (pause 0.28) 130.7930 118 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 130.7930 the ball bounces. 131.7587 119 DTA_int_08 131.9278 Uh-huh. 132.2517 120 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 133.4629 And then you 134.0100 121 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 134.0100 (pause 0.60) 134.6089 122 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 134.6089 have to pick up two at a time, 136.5546 123 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 136.5546 (pause 0.17) 136.7257 124 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 136.7257 and then three at a time. 138.0870 125 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 138.0870 (pause 0.39) 138.4758 126 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 138.4758 You throw the jacks and leave them in the position that they fall. 141.6115 127 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 141.6115 (pause 0.92) 142.5302 128 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 142.5302 And, um, 143.6395 129 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 143.6395 (pause 0.74) 144.3750 130 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 144.3750 pick them up 145.1354 131 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 145.1354 (pause 0.86) 145.9977 132 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 145.9977 each number u- uh, getting larger. 148.3560 133 DTA_int_08 148.6035 [Mm-hm.] 148.9286 134 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 148.8021 [Until] you pick them all up 150.0183 135 DTA_int_08 150.2344 [Mm-hm.] 150.5871 136 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 150.4422 [at] once, 151.1207 137 DTA_int_08 151.1634 Mm-hm. 151.4782 138 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 151.7655 before the ball bounces. 153.0877 139 DTA_int_08 153.1060 Okay. 153.5736 140 DTA_int_08 153.5736 (pause 0.39) 153.9587 141 DTA_int_08 153.9587 And, uh, did you ever hear of the game called tackle tackle pom pom? 157.0595 142 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 157.4385 Never. 157.8541 143 DTA_int_08 158.6548 Pom pom pull away? 159.5429 144 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 159.9373 Never. 160.3651 145 DTA_int_08 160.9397 Okay. 161.2147 146 DTA_int_08 161.2147 (pause 0.13) 161.3492 147 DTA_int_08 161.3492 Did you play any kind of game with bottle caps? 163.0870 148 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 163.9886 Never. 164.4806 149 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 164.4806 (pause 0.38) 164.8565 150 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 164.8565 I think the boys used to put them on the bicycle or 167.0619 151 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 167.0619 (pause 0.35) 167.4151 152 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 167.4151 stick them in their caps. 168.8373 153 DTA_int_08 169.0993 Mm-hm. 169.3804 154 DTA_int_08 169.3804 (pause 2.15) 171.5254 155 DTA_int_08 171.5254 Did you ever play a game called may I? 172.8270 156 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 174.0847 That's giant steps, isn't it? 175.7188 157 DTA_int_08 175.7899 Okay, how do you play that? 176.8479 158 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 177.4575 Um, 178.5393 159 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 178.5393 (pause 2.48) 181.0198 160 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 181.0198 there's a teacher 182.0191 161 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 182.0191 (pause 1.25) 183.2650 162 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 183.2650 and several children 184.4904 163 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 184.4904 (pause 0.60) 185.0894 164 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 185.0894 and there are several steps that you can take. Like scissor steps, 188.2269 165 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 188.2269 (pause 0.45) 188.6731 166 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 188.6731 or giant steps, or fairy steps, 191.1169 167 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 191.1169 (pause 0.49) 191.6028 168 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 191.6028 baby steps. 192.6500 169 DTA_int_08 193.5179 What's a fairy step? 194.3797 170 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 194.7923 Uh, 195.5767 171 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 195.5767 (pause 0.64) 196.2167 172 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 196.2167 they're something, uh, 197.3492 173 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 197.3492 (pause 1.29) 198.6439 174 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 198.6439 dainty, 199.3071 175 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 199.3071 (pause 1.03) 200.3369 176 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 200.3369 I think, and you turn around. 201.8273 177 DTA_int_08 201.9465 Mm-hm. Okay. 202.6891 178 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 202.9030 Something dainty like that. And you have to say, may I, 205.6738 179 DTA_int_08 205.8999 Uh-huh. 206.2196 180 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 207.0154 or you will have to, um, 208.7471 181 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 208.7471 (pause 0.47) 209.2208 182 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 209.2208 stay where you were. 210.1213 183 DTA_int_08 210.3505 Mm-hm. 210.6500 184 DTA_int_08 210.6500 (pause 0.28) 210.9342 185 DTA_int_08 210.9342 Okay. 211.2796 186 DTA_int_08 211.2796 (pause 0.42) 211.6982 187 DTA_int_08 211.6982 Uh, did you ever play any ball games? 213.1117 188 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 214.5607 Kickball. 215.3125 189 DTA_int_08 215.8860 How do you play that? 216.4476 190 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 217.3437 You roll the ball to the person at home plate, and they will kick. 220.7902 191 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 220.7902 (pause 0.63) 221.4164 192 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 221.4164 And you run to the base. 222.6806 193 DTA_int_08 222.9577 Mm-hm. 223.2415 194 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 223.2857 I imagine it would be like baseball. 225.0307 195 DTA_int_08 225.2650 Mm-hm. 225.6176 196 DTA_int_08 225.6176 (pause 0.20) 225.8212 197 DTA_int_08 225.8212 Mkay. 226.2086 198 DTA_int_08 226.2086 (pause 0.32) 226.5302 199 DTA_int_08 226.5302 And, uh, do you watch television often? 228.0835 200 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 228.3139 Not too often. 229.1787 201 DTA_int_08 229.4232 Uh, any special programs that you always watch? 231.5583 202 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 233.5692 No. 234.4667 203 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 234.4667 (pause 1.06) 235.5302 204 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 235.5302 If someone refers a program to me, 237.8731 205 DTA_int_08 238.4935 Mm, mm-hm. 238.9448 206 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 238.9794 I'll watch that. 240.1738 207 DTA_int_08 240.2099 [Mm-hm.] 240.5369 208 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 240.4422 [But,] uh, 241.2826 209 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 242.3461 television requires a lot of time. 244.6585 210 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 244.6585 (pause 0.37) 245.0283 211 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 245.0283 245.3094 212 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 245.3094 (pause 1.34) 246.6500 213 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 246.6500 And I usually don't. 247.8663 214 DTA_int_08 247.8816 Mm-hm. 248.2067 215 DTA_int_08 248.2067 (pause 0.71) 248.9135 216 DTA_int_08 248.9135 Uh, 249.1244 217 DTA_int_08 249.1244 (pause 0.30) 249.4239 218 DTA_int_08 249.4239 is there one program that you saw on television /recently/ that you can tell me about? 252.8456 219 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 252.8609 252.9712 220 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 252.9712 (pause 0.10) 253.0748 221 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 253.0748 Recently- last week I saw Today 255.5767 222 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 255.5767 (pause 0.47) 256.0442 223 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 256.0442 when I was feeding my grandbaby. 257.7037 224 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 257.7037 (pause 0.70) 258.4055 225 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 258.4055 And I thought it was quite interesting. Um, 260.7972 226 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 260.7972 (pause 0.23) 261.0296 227 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 261.0296 261.1397 228 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 261.1397 (pause 0.14) 261.2833 229 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 261.2833 they were discussing the race problem 263.2544 230 DTA_int_08 263.4133 Mm-hm. 263.7994 231 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 263.8687 and interviewed people from all walks of life. 266.5692 232 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 266.5692 (pause 0.14) 266.7067 233 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 266.7067 Uh, regular citizens, 268.4507 234 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 268.4507 (pause 0.39) 268.8419 235 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 268.8419 middle class citizens, Negroes, 271.0534 236 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 271.0534 (pause 1.09) 272.1475 237 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 272.1475 Negro leaders, 273.2562 238 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 273.2562 (pause 1.01) 274.2643 239 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 274.2643 politicians. 275.4195 240 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 275.4195 (pause 1.46) 276.8823 241 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 276.8823 And I thought this was quite interesting. They were 279.0113 242 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 279.0113 (pause 0.33) 279.3414 243 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 279.3414 quite interested in the attitude and the interpretation of the use of the term Black Power. 284.3431 244 DTA_int_08 284.6273 Mm-hm. 284.9814 245 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 285.6194 And I thought it was very good. 286.9122 246 DTA_int_08 287.2147 Uh-huh. 287.5448 247 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 288.5155 And, uh, a couple of days after that they had Senator 291.7295 248 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 291.7295 (pause 0.58) 292.3071 249 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 292.3071 Dirksen on. 293.2663 250 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 293.2663 (pause 0.56) 293.8290 251 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 293.8290 This was interesting, he's interested in getting prayer 296.6089 252 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 296.6089 (pause 0.18) 296.7862 253 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 296.7862 back into the schools. 298.0259 254 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 298.0259 (pause 0.63) 298.6554 255 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 298.6554 So I think that's a pretty good program, if you're in the hospital 301.1573 256 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 301.1573 (pause 0.74) 301.8938 257 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 301.8938 and have a television. 303.4942 258 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 303.4942 (pause 0.52) 304.0167 259 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 304.0167 Or if you're feeding a baby and have time to sit and watch it. 306.7570 260 DTA_int_08 306.9617 Mm-hm. 307.3376 261 DTA_int_08 307.3376 (pause 0.53) 307.8724 262 DTA_int_08 307.8724 Hm, okay. Do you go to the movies often? 309.9464 263 DTA_int_08 309.9464 (pause 0.34) 310.2884 264 DTA_int_08 310.2884 Or at all? 310.7838 265 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 311.0374 We go occasionally, [yes.] 312.5950 266 DTA_int_08 312.4880 [Mm-hm.] 312.7509 267 DTA_int_08 313.0351 Can you tell me about a movie that you saw, 314.7587 268 DTA_int_08 314.7587 (pause 0.19) 314.9502 269 DTA_int_08 314.9502 that you enjoyed? 315.6752 270 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 316.3132 I enjoyed A Patch of Blue. 318.0846 271 DTA_int_08 318.2925 [Mm-hm.] 318.6030 272 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 318.3689 [I thought] it was adorable. 319.7349 273 DTA_int_08 319.8113 What was it about? 320.4397 274 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 320.8809 It was- 321.1549 275 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 321.1549 (pause 0.17) 321.3230 276 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 321.3230 again, the race question. A blind, 323.4256 277 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 323.4256 (pause 0.14) 323.5692 278 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 323.5692 white girl and a Negro boy. 325.4065 279 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 325.4065 (pause 0.83) 326.2391 280 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 326.2391 And he was interested in her r- I didn't get the feeling that he had any romantic interest, if he did he held this back. 332.6115 281 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 332.6115 (pause 0.79) 333.4025 282 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 333.4025 But I thought it told a 334.8419 283 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 334.8419 (pause 0.69) 335.5299 284 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 335.5299 story of the race problem quite well, 338.2208 285 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 338.2208 (pause 0.58) 338.8035 286 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 338.8035 and presented all views. 340.1390 287 DTA_int_08 340.2796 Mm-hm. 340.6075 288 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 341.7434 We saw, um, 343.0809 289 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 343.0809 (pause 0.62) 343.7013 290 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 343.7013 343.8388 291 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 343.8388 (pause 0.93) 344.7648 292 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 344.7648 A Thousand Clowns, which was a- delightful. 347.1230 293 DTA_int_08 347.3767 Mm-hm. 347.7859 294 DTA_int_08 347.7859 (pause 2.03) 349.8174 295 DTA_int_08 349.8174 What was this story about? 350.9073 296 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 351.0032 This was about a man who was trying 353.1780 297 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 353.1780 (pause 1.05) 354.2252 298 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 354.2252 to be an individual. He didn't want to conform 356.7083 299 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 356.7083 (pause 1.09) 357.7936 300 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 357.7936 to what was expected of him 359.6759 301 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 359.6759 (pause 0.63) 360.3108 302 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 360.3108 by society. 361.2062 303 DTA_int_08 361.3712 Mm-hm. 361.7108 304 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 362.1200 And I think in the end he found that conforming somewhat would be better than trying to be an individual. 367.3284 305 DTA_int_08 367.4537 Mm-hm. 367.7441 306 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 367.7563 It was real cute. 368.8604 307 DTA_int_08 368.9563 Mm-hm. 369.3452 308 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 371.2514 We saw 372.1580 309 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 372.1580 (pause 0.79) 372.9434 310 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 372.9434 this- 373.2215 311 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 373.2215 (pause 0.77) 373.9877 312 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 373.9877 wa- The Shop on Main Street. 375.6958 313 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 375.6958 (pause 1.12) 376.8144 314 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 376.8144 Which was quite a depressing 378.9098 315 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 378.9098 (pause 0.09) 379.0014 316 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 379.0014 thing. Again, about the, 380.3461 317 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 380.3461 (pause 1.70) 382.0442 318 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 382.0442 um, 382.6857 319 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 382.6857 (pause 2.44) 385.1267 320 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 385.1267 question of, um, 386.6302 321 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 386.6302 (pause 3.09) 389.7159 322 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 389.7159 discrimination. 390.7042 323 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 390.7042 (pause 0.60) 391.3071 324 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 391.3071 Again, s- this time a religious group. The Jews. 394.7582 325 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 394.7582 (pause 0.73) 395.4867 326 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 395.4867 It was pretty sad. 396.5708 327 DTA_int_08 401.3217 Do w- do you have any pets? 402.4275 328 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 403.2459 403.3428 329 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 403.3428 (pause 0.24) 403.5790 330 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 403.5790 We have a 404.0222 331 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 404.0222 (pause 0.63) 404.6548 332 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 404.6548 kitten- mother kitten who'd just had kittens s- 406.8877 333 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 406.8877 (pause 0.42) 407.3033 334 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 407.3033 yesterday. 407.9940 335 DTA_int_08 408.2466 Mm-hm. How many did she have? 409.2612 336 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 409.4568 We don't know because, uh, I didn't let her in the house, uh, 412.9733 337 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 412.9733 (pause 1.04) 414.0143 338 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 414.0143 Monday evening. 415.0198 339 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 415.0198 (pause 0.11) 415.1298 340 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 415.1298 Today's Thursday. 416.2361 341 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 416.2361 (pause 1.19) 417.4239 342 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 417.4239 Wednesday- Tuesday evening she wanted to come in, 419.6211 343 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 419.6211 (pause 0.45) 420.0663 344 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 420.0663 and I didn't let her in because I thought it was near her time. 422.7678 345 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 422.7678 (pause 1.07) 423.8334 346 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 423.8334 Her first litter she had in the basement, 425.7342 347 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 425.7342 (pause 0.58) 426.3169 348 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 426.3169 under a couch. 427.8082 349 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 427.8082 (pause 0.72) 428.5325 350 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 428.5325 And I didn't know where she was going to have them this time, and I said the garage would be nice or the dog house would be nice. 434.1924 351 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 434.1924 (pause 0.54) 434.7373 352 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 434.7373 But we don't know where she had them. 436.0901 353 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 436.0901 (pause 0.43) 436.5240 354 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 436.5240 And we didn't see her yesterday at all and 438.4300 355 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 438.4300 (pause 0.37) 438.7967 356 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 438.7967 she came home this morning to eat. 440.5264 357 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 440.5264 (pause 0.58) 441.1030 358 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 441.1030 So we're trying to watch her to find out where they are. 443.4745 359 DTA_int_08 443.6945 Mm-hm. 444.0573 360 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 444.6531 After she ate this morning, she went upstairs and got in the corner in my closet. 448.4171 361 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 448.4171 (pause 0.50) 448.9121 362 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 448.9121 I think she thinks this would be a good place 451.0962 363 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 451.0962 (pause 0.72) 451.8113 364 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 451.8113 to bring them. 452.4256 365 DTA_int_08 452.6700 Bring them back with [her.] 453.8181 366 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 453.4789 [Mm-hm.] Last time she had three. 455.1047 367 DTA_int_08 455.3889 Mm-hm. 455.6975 368 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 456.5980 One that looked like her and two black ones. 459.3206 369 DTA_int_08 459.5278 Mm-hm. 460.0076 370 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 460.5699 She's a genuine alley cat. 461.9716 371 DTA_int_08 462.7256 [] 463.7168 372 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 462.9029 [] 463.3225 373 DTA_int_08 464.2697 And, uh, 464.5498 374 DTA_int_08 464.5498 (pause 0.25) 464.7974 375 DTA_int_08 464.7974 can you recall as a child, is there any way that you could make a wish? 468.4086 376 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 469.1237 Yes, when you break the wishbone 471.4007 377 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 471.4007 (pause 0.48) 471.8761 378 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 471.8761 in, uh, foul. Turkey. 473.3828 379 DTA_int_08 473.5661 [Mm-hm.] 473.8985 380 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 473.7923 [Or chicken.] 474.3383 381 DTA_int_08 474.6133 Mm-hm. 474.9558 382 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 475.1481 And the person who gets the biggest end 476.9477 383 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 476.9477 (pause 1.42) 478.3712 384 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 478.3712 is the one to make the wish. 479.6914 385 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 479.6914 (pause 1.18) 480.8700 386 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 480.8700 Or if you- 482.2147 387 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 482.2147 (pause 1.70) 483.9098 388 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 483.9098 something about a star. 485.0833 389 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 485.0833 (pause 0.11) 485.1933 390 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 485.1933 Birthday. If you blew out all the candles on the birthday, you can make a wish. 488.6313 391 DTA_int_08 488.7923 Mm-hm. 489.1223 392 DTA_int_08 489.1223 (pause 1.01) 490.1359 393 DTA_int_08 490.1359 Mm-hm. 490.4740 394 DTA_int_08 490.4740 (pause 0.17) 490.6412 395 DTA_int_08 490.6412 Did you ever put anything underneath your pillow? 491.8714 396 DTA_int_08 491.8714 (pause 0.75) 492.6194 397 DTA_int_08 492.6194 Bye-bye. 493.1115 398 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 493.4965 Bye. 493.9458 399 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 493.9458 (pause 0.78) 494.7250 400 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 494.7250 Uh, 495.2099 401 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 495.2099 (pause 1.38) 496.5943 402 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 496.5943 your tooth 497.5111 403 DTA_int_08 497.6517 Mm-hm. 498.0398 404 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 498.1580 went under the pillow. 499.1237 405 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 499.1237 (pause 0.96) 500.0863 406 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 500.0863 But I didn't know there was a wish connected to- with [this.] 502.4232 407 DTA_int_08 502.3651 [No,] there isn't. 503.1843 408 DTA_int_08 503.7379 /inaudible/ 504.2717 409 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 504.6011 Mm-hm. 504.9831 410 DTA_int_08 505.1573 /In general/ line of [wish and fairytale.] 507.2405 411 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 506.1230 [Yes.] 506.7403 412 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 507.3291 Mm-hm. 507.7210 413 DTA_int_08 507.9770 Mm-hm. 508.2730 414 DTA_int_08 508.2730 (pause 0.36) 508.6310 415 DTA_int_08 508.6310 And what happens when you put the tooth under? 510.2710 416 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 510.3505 Uh, well a fairy comes and leaves a- 512.3247 417 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 512.3247 (pause 0.99) 513.3169 418 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 513.3169 513.4208 419 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 513.4208 (pause 0.19) 513.6103 420 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 513.6103 a coin. 514.2154 421 DTA_int_08 514.5546 Mm-hm. 514.7960 422 DTA_int_08 514.7960 (pause 0.29) 515.0894 423 DTA_int_08 515.0894 Okay. 515.4225 424 DTA_int_08 515.4225 (pause 0.35) 515.7678 425 DTA_int_08 515.7678 And, uh, 516.3658 426 DTA_int_08 516.3658 (pause 0.19) 516.5522 427 DTA_int_08 516.5522 uh, let's go to school now. Uh, when you were in school what kind of subjects did you study? 520.6190 428 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 520.9274 521.0222 429 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 521.0222 (pause 1.83) 522.8486 430 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 522.8486 In elementary school? 523.8205 431 DTA_int_08 524.0894 Mm-hm. 524.3094 432 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 524.5814 That same ones they have today. 526.0962 433 DTA_int_08 526.1634 Such as? 526.7379 434 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 527.5875 Reading, 527.9960 435 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 527.9960 (pause 1.35) 529.3498 436 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 529.3498 handwriting, 530.0741 437 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 530.0741 (pause 1.53) 531.6072 438 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 531.6072 arithmetic. 532.6035 439 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 532.6035 (pause 0.53) 533.1322 440 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 533.1322 Not- we call it math today, but it was arithmetic then. 536.1444 441 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 536.1444 (pause 0.35) 536.4958 442 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 536.4958 Spelling, 537.2069 443 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 537.2069 (pause 0.58) 537.7845 444 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 537.7845 today we call it language arts. 539.4255 445 DTA_int_08 541.9610 /Is/ there one [on?] 542.6068 446 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 542.5142 [W-] we call, uh, reading, 544.6829 447 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 545.8534 writing, and spelling, English, 549.0877 448 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 549.0877 (pause 0.64) 549.7294 449 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 549.7294 all of those are the language arts 551.3919 450 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 551.3919 (pause 0.18) 551.5753 451 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 551.5753 subjects. 552.3038 452 DTA_int_08 552.8700 [Mm-hm.] 553.1298 453 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 553.0992 [They] should be, uh, 554.3461 454 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 555.0588 555.1724 455 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 555.1724 (pause 3.20) 558.3719 456 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 558.3719 related. 559.1149 457 DTA_int_08 559.4048 Mm-hm. 559.7256 458 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 560.1413 Not spelling, just for spelling's sake, 561.9586 459 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 561.9586 (pause 0.14) 562.0962 460 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 562.0962 [but should] relate to something 563.7220 461 DTA_int_08 562.3387 [Mm-hm.] 562.6420 462 DTA_int_08 564.0968 Mm-hm. 564.4758 463 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 565.1023 that's being taught. 566.0527 464 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 566.0527 (pause 1.43) 567.4850 465 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 567.4850 We had, uh, 568.4537 466 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 568.4537 (pause 1.59) 570.0388 467 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 570.0388 civics, 570.9211 468 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 570.9211 (pause 0.23) 571.1481 469 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 571.1481 and this is called social studies today. 573.2772 470 DTA_int_08 573.2772 Mm-hm. 573.5369 471 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 574.8480 We had general science, and this is called science today. 578.0558 472 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 578.0558 (pause 2.72) 580.7746 473 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 580.7746 We had gym, 581.6609 474 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 581.6609 (pause 0.59) 582.2466 475 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 582.2466 and I guess this is still gym. 583.6585 476 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 583.6585 (pause 1.52) 585.1824 477 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 585.1824 We had auditorium, 586.4751 478 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 586.4751 (pause 0.13) 586.6035 479 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 586.6035 they still have auditorium in some schools but it's disappearing. 589.8456 480 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 589.8456 (pause 1.56) 591.4086 481 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 591.4086 I think that's about it. 592.6340 482 DTA_int_08 592.6432 Mm-hm. 592.9015 483 DTA_int_08 592.9015 (pause 0.39) 593.2911 484 DTA_int_08 593.2911 And, uh, when you look around the classroom, what kind of things do you see? 595.9335 485 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 596.8656 In the classroom? 597.7363 486 DTA_int_08 597.7936 Mm-hm. 598.1100 487 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 598.5729 You mean, uh, 599.3583 488 DTA_int_08 599.7637 You can say, like [/r/-] 600.5387 489 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 600.2344 [material?] 600.9464 490 DTA_int_08 601.4568 um, 601.8724 491 DTA_int_08 601.8724 (pause 0.22) 602.0924 492 DTA_int_08 602.0924 furniture, things on the walls. 603.6041 493 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 604.3009 You see blackboards, 605.6914 494 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 605.6914 (pause 0.32) 606.0092 495 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 606.0092 I think they are called slateboards now 608.0833 496 DTA_int_08 608.5906 [Mm-hm.] 608.8982 497 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 608.7189 [instead] of the blackboard. Or chalkboard. 610.8907 498 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 611.1199 [I think] this is the 612.0673 499 DTA_int_08 611.1455 [Now,] 611.3813 500 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 612.1549 [modern.] 612.5430 501 DTA_int_08 612.2160 [is] that- 612.8089 502 DTA_int_08 613.2734 does that have any relation to the color change in them? 615.5098 503 DTA_int_08 615.5098 (pause 0.14) 615.6500 504 DTA_int_08 615.6500 Do you know? 616.0564 505 DTA_int_08 616.0564 (pause 0.67) 616.7257 506 DTA_int_08 616.7257 With the black to the green? 617.9512 507 DTA_int_08 617.9512 (pause 0.12) 618.0663 508 DTA_int_08 618.0663 Or do [/unintelligible/?] 618.8056 509 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 618.5155 [I think] the green is, uh, and I 620.4928 510 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 620.8350 say 621.2649 511 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 621.2649 (pause 0.13) 621.3999 512 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 621.3999 t- uh, 621.8761 513 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 621.8761 (pause 0.87) 622.7502 514 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 622.7502 has to do with, uh, 623.9605 515 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 623.9605 (pause 1.28) 625.2367 516 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 625.2367 being able to see better, I think. I'm not [sure.] 628.1481 517 DTA_int_08 627.6468 [Mm-hm.] 627.9220 518 DTA_int_08 628.2153 But I mean, is this why they started calling- do they call [the green ones] chalkboards and the black ones blackboards, or? 632.8615 519 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 630.2160 [Chalkboard.] 630.8608 520 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 633.3994 I don't know. I- the- just think the modern terminology is [chalkboard.] 637.4965 521 DTA_int_08 636.7019 [Mm-hm.] 637.0045 522 DTA_int_08 637.0045 (pause 0.36) 637.3682 523 DTA_int_08 637.3682 [Mm-hm.] 637.7200 524 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 637.7227 [Rather than] blackboard. 638.9054 525 DTA_int_08 637.8154 [I see.] 638.2310 526 DTA_int_08 638.9471 Mm-hm. 639.2983 527 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 639.5369 And I see your point that t- perhaps they're using [green now.] 642.7427 528 DTA_int_08 642.1567 [/That/ they're not] black [anymore.] 643.4232 529 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 643.3468 [Yes,] that maybe this is why. I don't know. 645.5094 530 DTA_int_08 645.5705 Mm-hm. 645.9495 531 DTA_int_08 645.9495 (pause 0.28) 646.2306 532 DTA_int_08 646.2306 Mm-hm. 646.5049 533 DTA_int_08 646.5049 (pause 0.49) 646.9946 534 DTA_int_08 646.9946 And, uh, what do the children sit [at?] 648.3342 535 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 648.2955 [Desk] and 649.7563 536 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 650.8799 in the lower grades, we used, uh, tables and chairs. 653.9500 537 DTA_int_08 653.9573 Mm-hm. 654.2619 538 DTA_int_08 654.2619 (pause 0.37) 654.6347 539 DTA_int_08 654.6347 And, uh, when you walk outside of the classroom, 656.6609 540 DTA_int_08 656.6609 (pause 0.17) 656.8350 541 DTA_int_08 656.8350 what would you be standing in? 658.0193 542 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 658.6249 The hallway? 659.3040 543 DTA_int_08 659.3277 Mm-hm. 659.6180 544 DTA_int_08 659.6180 (pause 0.22) 659.8412 545 DTA_int_08 659.8412 And as you walk down the hallway, what kind of things might you see? 662.1544 546 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 662.5447 Drinking fountains, 663.8700 547 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 663.8700 (pause 1.56) 665.4286 548 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 665.4286 lockers. 666.1671 549 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 666.1671 (pause 1.49) 667.6524 550 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 667.6524 And then some of the new schools, I don't think you see lockers anymore. 670.5668 551 DTA_int_08 673.7379 Mm-hm. 674.0221 552 DTA_int_08 674.0221 (pause 0.32) 674.3461 553 DTA_int_08 674.3461 And, uh, outside the school building is there any place for the children to [play?] 677.4500 554 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 677.3430 [Playground.] 678.0398 555 DTA_int_08 678.4125 Is there anything in the playground for them to play on? 680.4529 556 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 681.2221 Not in Detroit. 682.7074 557 DTA_int_08 682.7257 Uh-huh. 683.0130 558 DTA_int_08 683.0130 (pause 0.14) 683.1535 559 DTA_int_08 683.1535 How about in the [parks?] 684.0001 560 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 683.6853 [Swings,] 684.4530 561 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 685.3590 slides, 686.2055 562 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 686.2055 (pause 0.34) 686.5417 563 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 686.5417 sandboxes. 687.7012 564 DTA_int_08 690.3413 Things that go like this? 691.3406 565 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 693.0693 Seesaw. 693.8242 566 DTA_int_08 695.2452 And things the kids climb all over? 696.7569 567 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 697.9396 The slides? 698.7036 568 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 698.7036 (pause 0.12) 698.8259 569 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 698.8259 Jungle gym. 699.6867 570 DTA_int_08 699.8333 What do they look like? 700.4458 571 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 701.1749 They're made out of, uh, steel rods. 703.6340 572 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 703.6340 (pause 0.32) 703.9549 573 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 703.9549 Bent, 704.4653 574 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 704.4653 (pause 0.18) 704.6425 575 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 704.6425 curved, 705.2038 576 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 705.2038 (pause 0.98) 706.1848 577 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 706.1848 I think, 706.6768 578 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 706.6768 (pause 0.12) 706.7960 579 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 706.7960 iron? 707.3063 580 DTA_int_08 708.0113 Mm-hm. 708.3260 581 DTA_int_08 708.3260 (pause 0.48) 708.8058 582 DTA_int_08 708.8058 Okay, I don't [know.] 709.7135 583 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 709.2898 [Mm,] 709.6596 584 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 710.0038 pipes. 710.5569 585 DTA_int_08 710.6456 It's something. 711.3688 586 DTA_int_08 711.3688 (pause 0.45) 711.8150 587 DTA_int_08 711.8150 [And, uh,] 712.3592 588 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 711.8639 [Mm-hm.] 712.3399 589 DTA_int_08 713.3522 when you were in school 714.2802 590 DTA_int_08 714.2802 (pause 0.16) 714.4361 591 DTA_int_08 714.4361 can you recall if you ever had a teacher who used to holler a lot? 716.8408 592 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 722.0833 I don't think so. I think we had 724.2031 593 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 724.2031 (pause 0.22) 724.4262 594 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 724.4262 teachers that we thought were mean. 726.3985 595 DTA_int_08 726.5889 Mm-hm. 726.9560 596 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 727.2581 But, uh, 728.0924 597 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 728.0924 (pause 0.15) 728.2452 598 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 728.2452 I guess the teachers did scream now and then. 731.3950 599 DTA_int_08 731.4469 Mm-hm. 731.6849 600 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 731.9053 But, uh, my school life is characteristic by that. I think there's more screaming nowaday. 736.8449 601 DTA_int_08 736.9488 Mm-hm. 737.1955 602 DTA_int_08 737.1955 (pause 0.44) 737.6395 603 DTA_int_08 737.6395 What kind of things did they scream about then? 739.4008 604 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 739.7013 Noise. 740.3614 605 DTA_int_08 740.6884 Mm-hm. 741.0062 606 DTA_int_08 741.0062 (pause 1.40) 742.4109 607 DTA_int_08 742.4109 Mm-hm. Did you ever get screamed at? 743.5197 608 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 744.5919 I don't think so. 745.5599 609 DTA_int_08 745.6676 Did you ever get screamed at when it wasn't your fault? 747.4962 610 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 749.8014 I don't think so. 750.7810 611 DTA_int_08 750.9403 Okay. Can you tell me about the best teacher you ever had? 752.8239 612 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 757.0809 No, I don't. 758.3400 613 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 758.3400 (pause 0.57) 758.9053 614 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 758.9053 I can remember my teachers and incidents, 761.8809 615 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 761.8809 (pause 0.87) 762.7539 616 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 762.7539 but, um, 763.6035 617 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 763.6035 (pause 0.20) 763.8021 618 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 763.8021 I can't think of any that I would feel, uh, 766.5973 619 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 766.5973 (pause 2.02) 768.6194 620 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 768.6194 were better than others. 770.0344 621 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 770.0344 (pause 0.79) 770.8289 622 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 770.8289 I can remember a teacher- 772.1267 623 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 772.1267 (pause 0.12) 772.2490 624 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 772.2490 two teachers that I think 773.7281 625 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 773.7281 (pause 0.59) 774.3199 626 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 774.3199 took a particular interest 776.1719 627 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 776.1719 (pause 0.17) 776.3369 628 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 776.3369 in me. 776.9756 629 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 776.9756 (pause 0.29) 777.2619 630 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 777.2619 Um, Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/ that I had in high school 779.4622 631 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 779.4622 (pause 1.07) 780.5338 632 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 780.5338 for English, 781.4965 633 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 781.4965 (pause 1.20) 782.7006 634 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 782.7006 and 783.2832 635 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 783.2832 (pause 0.61) 783.8914 636 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 783.8914 a- I think she was Ms. /RD-NAME-1/. 786.1873 637 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 786.1873 (pause 0.38) 786.5675 638 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 786.5675 In elementary school that I had for literature. 789.0031 639 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 789.0031 (pause 1.48) 790.4782 640 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 790.4782 And, um, 791.7403 641 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 791.7403 (pause 2.55) 794.2911 642 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 794.2911 I thought they were nice. 795.6316 643 DTA_int_08 795.7355 Mm-hm. 796.0853 644 DTA_int_08 796.0853 (pause 2.48) 798.5675 645 DTA_int_08 798.5675 Did you ever have a teacher that you just couldn't stand? 800.5101 646 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 805.6248 No, I don't think so. 807.1545 647 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 807.1545 (pause 0.61) 807.7661 648 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 807.7661 I've had teachers that I thought were unfair. 810.0999 649 DTA_int_08 810.4666 Mm-hm. 810.8700 650 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 811.1053 But, uh, 811.9855 651 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 811.9855 (pause 0.31) 812.2972 652 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 812.2972 I don't think I ever- 813.4330 653 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 813.4330 (pause 1.63) 815.0619 654 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 815.0619 I'm- I've ever been in a situation where I couldn't in some way 818.1627 655 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 818.1627 (pause 0.39) 818.5539 656 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 818.5539 work it out. 819.3810 657 DTA_int_08 819.5124 Mm-hm. 819.7997 658 DTA_int_08 819.7997 (pause 1.56) 821.3552 659 DTA_int_08 821.3552 Uh, you said they were unfair. In what way? 823.2337 660 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 826.4720 Well I had a Mr. 827.9960 661 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 827.9960 (pause 0.11) 828.1029 662 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 828.1029 /RD-NAME-2/ 829.1023 663 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 829.1023 (pause 1.01) 830.1169 664 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 830.1169 who called the report cards in 832.9304 665 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 832.9304 (pause 0.67) 833.5967 666 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 833.5967 by 834.3078 667 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 834.3078 (pause 1.83) 836.1413 668 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 836.1413 honor point. 837.1732 669 DTA_int_08 837.6133 [Mm-hm.] 837.8992 670 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 837.7967 [And] I thought this was unfair to the student who didn't do well. 841.0809 671 DTA_int_08 841.4201 Mm-hm. 841.7800 672 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 841.8724 That it perhaps would be [embarrassing] 843.7233 673 DTA_int_08 843.6928 [Mm-hm.] 844.0820 674 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 844.4445 to the person. 845.3063 675 DTA_int_08 845.5590 Mm-hm. 845.8768 676 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 847.1206 And, um, 848.4286 677 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 848.4286 (pause 0.79) 849.2160 678 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 849.2160 now who was the other teacher that I thought was unfair. 851.5294 679 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 851.5294 (pause 2.19) 853.7226 680 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 853.7226 Uh, music teacher. 855.2557 681 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 855.2557 (pause 1.76) 857.0160 682 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 857.0160 I thought 857.4255 683 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 857.4255 (pause 0.53) 857.9603 684 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 857.9603 her /beka/- behavior- her behavior indicated that maybe, um, 861.7936 685 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 861.7936 (pause 1.42) 863.2147 686 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 863.2147 she 863.9654 687 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 863.9654 (pause 0.13) 864.0907 688 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 864.0907 disliked children. 865.4104 689 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 865.4104 (pause 1.10) 866.5111 690 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 866.5111 Not for any special reason but maybe because of race. 869.7709 691 DTA_int_08 870.0082 Mm-hm. 870.3463 692 DTA_int_08 870.3463 (pause 1.07) 871.4170 693 DTA_int_08 871.4170 Did other kids in your class ever play any tricks on the teachers? 874.1976 694 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 876.2771 I think 876.7478 695 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 876.7478 (pause 0.20) 876.9495 696 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 876.9495 in- when I went to school, children 879.1579 697 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 879.1579 (pause 0.96) 880.1206 698 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 880.1206 thought of teachers as being someone special, maybe, and 883.3888 699 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 883.3888 (pause 0.94) 884.3308 700 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 884.3308 they didn't play tricks. 885.5613 701 DTA_int_08 885.6163 How about like for April Fool's Day? 887.0466 702 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 887.4805 No. I don't think they had the same relationship that they have 890.9751 703 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 890.9751 (pause 0.47) 891.4452 704 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 891.4452 today with teachers. 892.6149 705 DTA_int_08 892.6279 [Mm-hm.] 892.9283 706 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 892.7776 [Children] do that today. 893.9837 707 DTA_int_08 894.1335 Mm-hm. 894.4609 708 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 894.5736 But not when I went to school. 896.0955 709 DTA_int_08 896.1107 Mm-hm. 896.4805 710 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 897.8058 /RD-NAME-2/. 898.5727 711 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 898.5727 (pause 1.10) 899.6761 712 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 899.6761 /RD-NAME-2/. 900.3077 713 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 900.3077 (pause 0.36) 900.6683 714 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 900.6683 I can walk /unintelligible/. 901.4521 715 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 901.4521 (pause 4.34) 905.7892 716 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 905.7892 He didn't take- Uncle /RD-NAME-2/ didn't take you home? 908.1475 717 misc 908.3655 No. 908.6935 718 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 909.7753 Oh, alright. 910.9396 719 DTA_int_08 914.1688 And, uh, 914.8220 720 DTA_int_08 914.8220 (pause 0.43) 915.2496 721 DTA_int_08 915.2496 did you- can recall someone who was in your- 916.9579 722 DTA_int_08 916.9579 (pause 0.66) 917.6150 723 DTA_int_08 917.6150 in your estimation was the smartest kid in your class? 919.6218 724 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 920.4011 Yes, in high school it was /RD-NAME-5/. 922.9480 725 DTA_int_08 923.1596 Mm-hm. 923.3766 726 DTA_int_08 923.3766 (pause 0.42) 923.7984 727 DTA_int_08 923.7984 What was it about her that you felt made her smart? 926.0316 728 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 926.3033 She always knew the answers. She always had her homework. 929.1767 729 DTA_int_08 929.5203 Mm-hm. 929.8482 730 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 930.0877 She was very popular. 931.8021 731 DTA_int_08 931.8999 Mm-hm. 932.2483 732 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 932.2483 And, uh, 933.1103 733 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 933.8669 was a hard worker. 934.7501 734 DTA_int_08 934.7990 Mm-hm. 935.0191 735 DTA_int_08 935.0191 (pause 0.51) 935.5264 736 DTA_int_08 935.5264 Did, uh, the children get any special favors or prizes or anything for being the smartest? 939.4910 737 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 941.3491 Yes, they- uh, not prizes, but awards, recognition. 945.4208 738 DTA_int_08 945.4574 Mm-hm. 945.7607 739 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 945.8455 Honor roll. 946.6004 740 DTA_int_08 946.8907 Mm-hm. 947.2269 741 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 947.2819 Type of um, 948.2405 742 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 948.2405 (pause 1.17) 949.4079 743 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 949.4079 thing. 949.8479 744 DTA_int_08 949.8938 Mm-hm. 950.2203 745 DTA_int_08 950.2203 (pause 0.46) 950.6761 746 DTA_int_08 950.6761 Can you recall anyone in your class who, uh, putting it crudely, was the dumbest? 954.8089 747 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 957.5736 Yes, I think, um, 959.3797 748 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 959.3797 (pause 2.05) 961.4323 749 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 961.4323 I can remember- 962.5997 750 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 962.5997 (pause 1.13) 963.7294 751 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 963.7294 maybe not specifically, but I can remember that children, uh, 967.1632 752 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 967.1632 (pause 0.46) 967.6218 753 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 967.6218 had difficulties getting their [studies.] 969.8584 754 DTA_int_08 969.7416 [Mm-hm.] 970.0333 755 DTA_int_08 970.4690 Would the, uh, teacher do anything to these children? 972.5907 756 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 976.5515 976.7257 757 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 976.7257 (pause 0.20) 976.9243 758 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 976.9243 I don't remember that anybody was embarrassed for not, uh, being able 981.5644 759 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 981.5644 (pause 1.02) 982.5851 760 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 982.5851 to understand or to achieve. 984.7355 761 DTA_int_08 984.8028 Mm-hm. 985.1656 762 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 985.3284 Uh, this doesn't stand out in my mind. 987.2863 763 DTA_int_08 987.2863 Mm-hm. 987.5751 764 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 987.6591 Other than, uh, 988.6554 765 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 988.6554 (pause 0.47) 989.1291 766 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 989.1291 the teacher who called in the report cards by 991.8082 767 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 991.8082 (pause 0.14) 991.9518 768 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 991.9518 [performance.] 992.9053 769 DTA_int_08 992.7525 [Mm-hm.] 993.1396 770 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 993.5338 And this was at the h- junior high level. 995.6109 771 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 995.6109 (pause 0.10) 995.7148 772 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 995.7148 We called it intermediate school then, 997.4445 773 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 997.4445 (pause 0.23) 997.6737 774 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 997.6737 it's about the seventh or eighth grade. 999.1060 775 DTA_int_08 999.3749 Mm-hm. 999.6744 776 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1000.3467 But I don't remember, uh, 1002.1052 777 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1002.1052 (pause 0.62) 1002.7264 778 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1002.7264 the slow readers or 1004.1587 779 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1004.1587 (pause 0.33) 1004.4897 780 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1004.4897 the group tours, as we call them today. 1006.7410 781 DTA_int_08 1006.8754 Mm-hm. 1007.1535 782 DTA_int_08 1007.1535 (pause 0.56) 1007.7179 783 DTA_int_08 1007.7179 Mm-hm. 1008.0038 784 DTA_int_08 1008.0038 (pause 0.62) 1008.6286 785 DTA_int_08 1008.6286 And, uh, what time did you get out of school? 1010.3797 786 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1011.8119 Three fifteen. 1012.7685 787 DTA_int_08 1012.8663 Mm-hm. 1013.1535 788 DTA_int_08 1013.1535 (pause 0.52) 1013.6731 789 DTA_int_08 1013.6731 And when you were in school, did you have a group of friends that you always palled around with? 1016.9226 790 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1018.9457 In elementary school. 1020.3627 791 DTA_int_08 1020.6225 Or in high [school.] 1021.5280 792 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1021.2398 [I did.] Not in high school. 1022.8656 793 DTA_int_08 1023.1121 Mm-hm. 1023.4328 794 DTA_int_08 1023.4328 (pause 0.36) 1023.7905 795 DTA_int_08 1023.7905 And, uh, were all around the same age, basically? 1025.8922 796 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1026.7814 I think so. 1027.5820 797 DTA_int_08 1027.6218 [Mm-hm.] 1027.9483 798 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1027.8235 [Mm-hm.] 1028.1169 799 DTA_int_08 1028.1994 Do you see any of these friends today? 1029.5888 800 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1030.3345 Yes. 1031.1806 801 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1031.1806 (pause 0.12) 1031.3002 802 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1031.3002 I have, uh, I'm still very friendly with the girl that I lived in the neighborhood with and went to high school with. 1037.1535 803 DTA_int_08 1037.4133 Mm-hm. 1037.8320 804 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1038.1029 1038.2007 805 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1038.2007 (pause 0.54) 1038.7447 806 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1038.7447 In elementary school, 1040.4891 807 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1040.4891 (pause 2.44) 1042.9274 808 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1042.9274 no. 1043.5691 809 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1043.5691 (pause 0.30) 1043.8717 810 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1043.8717 Because we no longer live in that area, 1046.2299 811 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1046.2299 (pause 0.68) 1046.9084 812 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1046.9084 uh, some of the girls are teachers now. It was a Polish neighborhood that I lived in. 1051.3927 813 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1051.3927 (pause 0.86) 1052.2544 814 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1052.2544 And 1052.8259 815 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1052.8259 (pause 0.11) 1052.9318 816 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1052.9318 I have 1053.5983 817 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1053.5983 (pause 0.28) 1053.8761 818 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1053.8761 seen those girls 1055.0343 819 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1055.0343 (pause 0.27) 1055.3063 820 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1055.3063 on the streets 1056.4360 821 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1056.4360 (pause 0.25) 1056.6897 822 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1056.6897 and one in particular is a school teacher that I see now and then at meetings. 1060.1359 823 DTA_int_08 1060.2367 Mm-hm. 1060.6053 824 DTA_int_08 1060.6053 (pause 0.47) 1061.0802 825 DTA_int_08 1061.0802 Mm-hm. 1061.3063 826 DTA_int_08 1061.3063 (pause 0.72) 1062.0306 827 DTA_int_08 1062.0306 Do- 1062.2557 828 DTA_int_08 1062.2557 (pause 0.21) 1062.4696 829 DTA_int_08 1062.4696 you basically- your- your new friends, would you say they're from the neighborhood or from work or? 1066.5729 830 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1066.7104 People that I went to school with. 1068.3994 831 DTA_int_08 1068.4758 Mm-hm. 1068.8761 832 DTA_int_08 1068.8761 (pause 1.42) 1070.2972 833 DTA_int_08 1070.2972 Mm-hm. 1070.4927 834 DTA_int_08 1070.4927 (pause 0.65) 1071.1415 835 DTA_int_08 1071.1415 [And-] 1071.5386 836 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1071.4544 [College.] 1072.0258 837 DTA_int_08 1072.3314 uh-huh. 1072.6309 838 DTA_int_08 1072.6309 (pause 0.31) 1072.9427 839 DTA_int_08 1072.9427 As a child, were any of your 1074.5277 840 DTA_int_08 1074.5277 (pause 0.92) 1075.4506 841 DTA_int_08 1075.4506 friends 1076.0374 842 DTA_int_08 1076.0374 (pause 0.33) 1076.3705 843 DTA_int_08 1076.3705 white children, or Jewish children, or Catholic children? 1079.1865 844 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1079.2544 1079.3461 845 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1079.3461 (pause 0.36) 1079.7097 846 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1079.7097 Polish. 1080.3323 847 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1080.3323 (pause 0.42) 1080.7539 848 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1080.7539 We lived in a Polish neighborhood. 1082.2727 849 DTA_int_08 1082.3583 Mm-hm. 1082.6050 850 DTA_int_08 1082.6050 (pause 0.31) 1082.9199 851 DTA_int_08 1082.9199 Did any of the children speak a different language besides English? 1085.3216 852 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1085.7067 The children that I played with were children of, um, 1089.4788 853 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1089.4788 (pause 0.53) 1090.0136 854 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1090.0136 immigrants. 1090.8907 855 DTA_int_08 1090.9182 Mm-hm. 1091.2544 856 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1092.1549 Their parents were born in Europe, 1094.1678 857 DTA_int_08 1094.3399 Mm-hm. 1094.6669 858 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1095.2007 and, um, 1096.2489 859 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1096.2489 (pause 0.68) 1096.9274 860 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1096.9274 they were born here. 1098.0144 861 DTA_int_08 1098.1518 Mm-hm. 1098.4666 862 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1099.3192 [And] I remember that they talked funny. Is this what you asked me? 1102.3589 863 DTA_int_08 1099.3192 [Mm-hm.] 1099.6124 864 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1102.9090 They [couldn't pronounce their threes.] 1104.7814 865 DTA_int_08 1103.0466 [Did they speak any.] 1104.1457 866 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1104.8669 They said 1105.3987 867 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1105.3987 (pause 1.05) 1106.4500 868 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1106.4500 three- 1107.3744 869 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1107.3744 (pause 0.19) 1107.5660 870 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1107.5660 tree. 1108.0533 871 DTA_int_08 1108.2489 Mm-hm. 1108.4812 872 DTA_int_08 1108.4812 (pause 0.37) 1108.8510 873 DTA_int_08 1108.8510 Mm-hm. 1109.0955 874 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1109.1474 And they had a strange way of saying, borrow me a pencil, instead of, 1112.9603 875 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1112.9603 (pause 0.15) 1113.1151 876 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1113.1151 uh, 1113.4421 877 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1113.4421 (pause 1.30) 1114.7410 878 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1114.7410 lend me a pencil or may I borrow a pencil. It was borrow me a pencil. 1119.2710 879 DTA_int_08 1119.6561 Mm-hm. 1119.9219 880 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1119.9494 When I went to high school it was with Jewish children, and, um, 1123.3657 881 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1123.3657 (pause 1.15) 1124.5141 882 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1124.5141 I was not friendly with anyone there. 1126.1481 883 DTA_int_08 1126.3314 [Mm-hm.] 1126.6202 884 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1126.5515 [It] was 1127.1205 885 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1127.5019 the- 1127.8676 886 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1127.8676 (pause 0.22) 1128.0907 887 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1128.0907 this neighborhood. 1129.1847 888 DTA_int_08 1129.2612 Mm-hm. 1129.4781 889 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1129.9946 And, u- o- 1130.6761 890 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1130.6761 (pause 0.28) 1130.9572 891 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1130.9572 I was out classed, uh, financially and mentally. 1134.8455 892 DTA_int_08 1135.0289 [Mm-hm.] 1135.3685 893 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1135.3070 [And] I was miserable 1136.4041 894 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1137.4269 in my high school 1138.4017 895 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1138.4017 (pause 0.48) 1138.8815 896 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1138.8815 days. 1139.4330 897 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1139.4330 (pause 2.77) 1142.2024 898 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1142.2024 And I don't, um, 1143.2985 899 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1143.2985 (pause 0.41) 1143.7080 900 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1143.7080 remember 1144.4017 901 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1144.4017 (pause 0.63) 1145.0343 902 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1145.0343 too much about 1145.7158 903 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1145.7158 (pause 1.10) 1146.8150 904 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1146.8150 these people, except that they were all absent on the holidays. And they did real well in their studies. 1152.1732 905 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1152.1732 (pause 0.73) 1152.9005 906 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1152.9005 And they seemed quite financially secure, because even in the days of the depression, which I know you don't remember, 1158.1121 907 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1158.1121 (pause 0.50) 1158.6163 908 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1158.6163 they came up in chauffeured cars. 1160.5276 909 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1160.5276 (pause 0.57) 1161.0968 910 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1161.0968 And the girls wore beautiful clothing and 1163.3552 911 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1163.3552 (pause 0.97) 1164.3260 912 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1164.3260 it was a silk stocking school. 1165.9243 913 DTA_int_08 1166.2849 Mm-hm, I see. 1167.1819 914 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1167.4880 Highly competitive. 1168.8231 915 DTA_int_08 1169.1077 Mm-hm. 1169.4429 916 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1170.0968 Academically. 1170.9066 917 DTA_int_08 1172.7922 And, uh, of your group of friends 1174.3651 918 DTA_int_08 1174.3651 (pause 0.18) 1174.5423 919 DTA_int_08 1174.5423 was there someone who you might say was the leader of the group? 1176.9830 920 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1177.6859 1177.7807 921 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1177.7807 (pause 0.10) 1177.8815 922 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1177.8815 /RD-NAME-5/ was at /RD-SCHOOL-4/ and she was a leader and an organizer. 1182.3352 923 DTA_int_08 1182.4696 Mm-hm. 1182.7439 924 DTA_int_08 1182.7439 (pause 0.47) 1183.2122 925 DTA_int_08 1183.2122 Why did everybody follow her [especially?] 1185.0728 926 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1184.9450 [Well] she, uh, was aggressive. 1186.9042 927 DTA_int_08 1187.3613 Mm-hm. 1187.6516 928 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1188.0540 As I said before, she knew all the answers. She was 1191.3168 929 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1191.3168 (pause 0.53) 1191.8455 930 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1191.8455 a participant in everything there was to participate in, from the Spring Festival to 1197.3321 931 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1197.3321 (pause 0.57) 1197.9036 932 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1197.9036 certain school [clubs] and activities. 1200.4727 933 DTA_int_08 1199.3919 [Mm-hm.] 1199.6394 934 DTA_int_08 1200.6133 And, uh, what if somebody new came into the area. Could they get into the group 1203.6988 935 DTA_int_08 1203.6988 (pause 0.17) 1203.8639 936 DTA_int_08 1203.8639 with /her/? 1204.3181 937 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1205.4805 I am told 1206.5613 938 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1206.5613 (pause 0.92) 1207.4812 939 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1207.4812 that it was very difficult to break into the clique 1211.0469 940 DTA_int_08 1211.2116 [Mm-hm.] 1211.4859 941 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1211.3552 [at] /RD-SCHOOL-4/. 1212.4030 942 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1212.8547 My husband taught with, um, 1214.8656 943 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1214.8656 (pause 0.27) 1215.1396 944 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1215.1396 1215.2527 945 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1215.2527 (pause 0.85) 1216.1022 946 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1216.1022 a Jewish 1216.7988 947 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1216.7988 (pause 0.66) 1217.4591 948 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1217.4591 fellow who also went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, and he was a poor Jew. 1221.0234 949 DTA_int_08 1221.4910 Mm-hm. 1221.7348 950 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1221.9372 And he was miserable at this school. 1223.7698 951 DTA_int_08 1223.9165 Mm-hm. 1224.2863 952 DTA_int_08 1224.2863 (pause 1.74) 1226.0221 953 DTA_int_08 1226.0221 Mm-hm. 1226.2906 954 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1226.4591 And, uh, 1227.6330 955 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1227.6330 (pause 0.26) 1227.8944 956 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1227.8944 so I imagine that there were 1230.3107 957 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1230.3107 (pause 0.54) 1230.8547 958 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1230.8547 very strong cliques [based] on income and class. 1234.9365 959 DTA_int_08 1232.6100 [Mm-hm.] 1233.0195 960 DTA_int_08 1235.0832 Mm-hm. I see. 1235.8503 961 DTA_int_08 1235.8503 (pause 0.57) 1236.4207 962 DTA_int_08 1236.4207 And, uh, 1237.0607 963 DTA_int_08 1237.0607 (pause 0.34) 1237.4048 964 DTA_int_08 1237.4048 can you remember what you wanted to be when you were in grade school? 1240.1777 965 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1241.5233 I wanted to be a nurse. 1242.9097 966 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1242.9097 (pause 0.26) 1243.1725 967 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1243.1725 I wanted to be a dress maker. 1244.6920 968 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1244.6920 (pause 0.90) 1245.5888 969 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1245.5888 I never wanted to be a school teacher. 1247.3032 970 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1247.3032 (pause 1.08) 1248.3810 971 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1248.3810 I wanted to be a social worker 1249.8815 972 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1249.8815 (pause 0.36) 1250.2452 973 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1250.2452 most of all. 1250.9572 974 DTA_int_08 1251.3088 Mm-hm. 1251.7215 975 DTA_int_08 1251.7215 (pause 0.69) 1252.4078 976 DTA_int_08 1252.4078 Did you achieve any of these goals? 1253.7969 977 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1253.9725 Yes, I did social work for, 1255.9549 978 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1255.9549 (pause 0.85) 1256.8014 979 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1256.8014 um, 1257.4299 980 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1257.4299 (pause 0.84) 1258.2734 981 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1258.2734 five or six years. 1259.6027 982 DTA_int_08 1260.3749 Mm-hm. 1260.6133 983 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1261.3620 And I'm still interested in social work, although I teach. 1264.5117 984 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1264.5117 (pause 0.94) 1265.4499 985 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1265.4499 I'm making plans to move into what we call the visiting teacher department. 1269.9720 986 DTA_int_08 1270.0167 Mm-hm. 1270.4244 987 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1270.6890 Which is a combination of social work and mental hygiene. 1274.3693 988 DTA_int_08 1274.7219 Mm-hm. 1275.0642 989 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1276.2611 And, um, 1277.2421 990 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1277.2421 (pause 0.86) 1278.1029 991 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1278.1029 I think I'm going to do this. 1279.6492 992 DTA_int_08 1279.7440 Mm-hm. 1280.0343 993 DTA_int_08 1280.0343 (pause 0.51) 1280.5416 994 DTA_int_08 1280.5416 And, uh, along the line of social work, what exactly did you do? 1283.6081 995 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1285.2397 I worked for the state. 1286.5233 996 DTA_int_08 1286.7005 [Mm-hm.] 1287.1315 997 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1287.1029 [They] had a program 1288.5148 998 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1290.0459 designed to give aid to 1291.9762 999 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1291.9762 (pause 0.31) 1292.2849 1000 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1292.2849 unmarried mothers and widowed mothers 1294.6167 1001 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1294.6167 (pause 1.84) 1296.4543 1002 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1296.4543 of little children. 1297.4528 1003 DTA_int_08 1297.5728 Mm-hm. 1297.9060 1004 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1298.2268 And at that time, 1299.4696 1005 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1299.4696 (pause 0.46) 1299.9341 1006 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1299.9341 the thought was it was better to have the mother in the home 1302.8700 1007 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1302.8700 (pause 0.11) 1302.9800 1008 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1302.9800 with the children, rather than 1304.5844 1009 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1304.5844 (pause 0.26) 1304.8411 1010 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1304.8411 working. 1305.4054 1011 DTA_int_08 1305.6194 Mm-hm. 1305.8884 1012 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1305.9555 And this grant was provided. 1307.7739 1013 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1307.7739 (pause 0.80) 1308.5766 1014 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1308.5766 We also gave aid to the blind 1311.3565 1015 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1311.3565 (pause 0.50) 1311.8516 1016 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1311.8516 and the, uh, 1313.4102 1017 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1313.4102 (pause 0.20) 1313.6119 1018 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1313.6119 aged. 1314.1701 1019 DTA_int_08 1314.4421 [Mm-hm.] 1314.7672 1020 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1314.7141 [There] were three [programs.] 1316.0740 1021 DTA_int_08 1316.0526 [Mm-hm.] 1316.3400 1022 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1316.4346 These programs are still, um, 1318.0472 1023 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1318.0472 (pause 1.30) 1319.3460 1024 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1319.3460 active today except they've been, uh, 1321.5423 1025 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1321.5423 (pause 0.61) 1322.1565 1026 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1322.1565 reshaped. 1322.9684 1027 DTA_int_08 1323.2465 Mm-hm. 1323.5827 1028 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1323.9005 And I think 1324.4475 1029 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1324.4475 (pause 0.37) 1324.8204 1030 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1324.8204 more or less mothers are encouraged to work if they can and make plans for their children, 1329.1426 1031 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1329.1426 (pause 0.36) 1329.5063 1032 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1329.5063 and the income 1330.3528 1033 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1330.3528 (pause 0.34) 1330.6920 1034 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1330.6920 received is deducted 1331.8821 1035 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1331.8821 (pause 0.33) 1332.2099 1036 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1332.2099 from the check 1332.9127 1037 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1332.9127 (pause 0.29) 1333.2031 1038 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1333.2031 granted by the state. 1334.4123 1039 DTA_int_08 1334.5630 Mm-hm. 1334.8997 1040 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1335.0509 This is a state program. 1336.2489 1041 DTA_int_08 1336.6003 Mm-hm. I see. 1337.3119 1042 DTA_int_08 1337.3119 (pause 0.64) 1337.9531 1043 DTA_int_08 1337.9531 And, uh, 1338.6255 1044 DTA_int_08 1338.6255 (pause 0.24) 1338.8669 1045 DTA_int_08 1338.8669 if you had your whole life to live all over again, would you do anything different than what you've done? 1342.2122 1046 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1347.5093 I don't think so. 1348.4842 1047 DTA_int_08 1349.3827 Mm-hm. 1349.6394 1048 DTA_int_08 1349.6394 (pause 0.82) 1350.4604 1049 DTA_int_08 1350.4604 What about if you had all the money that you could ever want? 1352.7941 1050 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1353.7722 What would I do with it? 1354.5667 1051 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1354.5667 (pause 1.85) 1356.4177 1052 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1356.4177 I'd probably 1357.4475 1053 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1357.4475 (pause 0.34) 1357.7868 1054 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1357.7868 give it away. 1358.4591 1055 DTA_int_08 1359.2160 Mm-hm. 1359.4971 1056 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1360.1236 I couldn't enjoy it. 1361.2635 1057 DTA_int_08 1361.5416 Okay. 1361.9898 1058 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1362.0693 I couldn't enjoy it as long as 1363.9663 1059 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1363.9663 (pause 0.43) 1364.3919 1060 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1364.3919 there were needs 1365.2710 1061 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1365.2710 (pause 0.10) 1365.3688 1062 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1365.3688 to be met. 1365.9402 1063 DTA_int_08 1366.3314 Uh-huh. 1366.5912 1064 DTA_int_08 1366.5912 (pause 0.42) 1367.0068 1065 DTA_int_08 1367.0068 Okay. And your husband, what does he do? 1368.6017 1066 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1368.9311 He's a school principal. 1370.1574 1067 DTA_int_08 1370.3521 Mm-hm. 1370.6211 1068 DTA_int_08 1370.6211 (pause 0.27) 1370.8890 1069 DTA_int_08 1370.8890 Uh, what exactly does he do as a principal? 1372.9946 1070 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1373.4591 He administrates and tries to keep the teachers happy and stimulate the children to learn. 1378.7531 1071 DTA_int_08 1378.8937 Mm-hm. 1379.1871 1072 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1379.5447 To keep abreast of new ideas, new materials. 1383.1518 1073 DTA_int_08 1383.9677 Mm-hm. 1384.2928 1074 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1384.5209 And mainly I think, um, 1386.2587 1075 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1386.2587 (pause 2.26) 1388.5233 1076 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1388.5233 keeping a happy staff 1390.2024 1077 DTA_int_08 1390.2245 Mm-hm. 1390.5423 1078 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1391.7250 is one of the big things. 1393.1114 1079 DTA_int_08 1393.1175 Mm-hm. 1393.4384 1080 DTA_int_08 1393.4384 (pause 0.18) 1393.6156 1081 DTA_int_08 1393.6156 Mm-hm. 1393.8725 1082 DTA_int_08 1393.8725 (pause 0.67) 1394.5447 1083 DTA_int_08 1394.5447 And, uh, this part of town that you live in. Does it have a special name? 1398.0020 1084 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1398.9066 No. 1399.3100 1085 DTA_int_08 1399.5209 This certain area, the city in you're [in?] 1400.9430 1086 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1400.8319 [No.] 1401.3199 1087 DTA_int_08 1401.4543 Uh-huh. And what city is this? 1402.5392 1088 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1402.7012 Detroit. 1403.2543 1089 DTA_int_08 1403.3246 Uh-huh. 1403.6272 1090 DTA_int_08 1403.6272 (pause 0.33) 1403.9562 1091 DTA_int_08 1403.9562 And, uh, 1404.6136 1092 DTA_int_08 1404.6136 (pause 0.13) 1404.7416 1093 DTA_int_08 1404.7416 can you tell me what some of the main or big streets of Detroit are? 1407.7147 1094 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1407.9188 Woodward Avenue, 1408.8632 1095 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1408.8632 (pause 2.52) 1411.3803 1096 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1411.3803 Gratiot Avenue, 1412.5599 1097 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1412.5599 (pause 0.42) 1412.9786 1098 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1412.9786 Grande River Avenue, are the three main streets here. 1415.5477 1099 DTA_int_08 1415.7280 Mm-hm. 1416.1054 1100 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1416.3963 And, um, 1417.2764 1101 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1417.2764 (pause 1.46) 1418.7402 1102 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1418.7402 all other streets 1419.7294 1103 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1419.7294 (pause 0.18) 1419.9097 1104 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1419.9097 branch out in some way. 1421.3580 1105 DTA_int_08 1421.5752 [Mm-hm.] 1421.9725 1106 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1421.7739 [West] Grand Boulevard 1422.8608 1107 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1423.3742 circles the city, 1424.4224 1108 DTA_int_08 1424.6302 [Mm-hm.] 1425.0143 1109 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1425.0000 [in] a semi-circle. 1425.9097 1110 DTA_int_08 1426.2183 Mm-hm. 1426.5217 1111 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1427.2818 And 1427.7327 1112 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1427.7327 (pause 0.17) 1427.9073 1113 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1427.9073 the three main streets in 1429.7837 1114 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1429.7837 (pause 0.18) 1429.9671 1115 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1429.9671 n- 1430.1260 1116 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1430.1260 (pause 0.64) 1430.7708 1117 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1430.7708 touch. 1431.2190 1118 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1431.2190 (pause 0.41) 1431.6316 1119 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1431.6316 West Grand 1432.1786 1120 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1432.1786 (pause 0.51) 1432.6920 1121 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1432.6920 Boulevard and East Grand Boulevard. 1434.4788 1122 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1434.4788 (pause 0.40) 1434.8761 1123 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1434.8761 Woodward divides the city 1436.1657 1124 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1436.1657 (pause 0.52) 1436.6883 1125 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1436.6883 into east and west. 1438.4675 1126 DTA_int_08 1438.4934 Mm-hm. 1438.8185 1127 DTA_int_08 1438.8185 (pause 0.70) 1439.5145 1128 DTA_int_08 1439.5145 Mm-hm. 1439.8026 1129 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1439.7647 And the streets- 1440.9616 1130 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1442.8594 when west- when the boulevard- 1444.4048 1131 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1444.4048 (pause 0.40) 1444.8020 1132 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1444.8020 when Grand Boulevard crosses Woodward, it becomes west or east, 1448.1050 1133 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1448.1050 (pause 0.39) 1448.4988 1134 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1448.4988 vice versa. 1449.1885 1135 DTA_int_08 1449.4207 Uh-huh, I see. 1450.0651 1136 DTA_int_08 1450.0651 (pause 0.46) 1450.5239 1137 DTA_int_08 1450.5239 And, uh, they have these things here 1452.0632 1138 DTA_int_08 1452.0632 (pause 0.39) 1452.4574 1139 DTA_int_08 1452.4574 that- 1452.6224 1140 DTA_int_08 1452.6224 (pause 0.29) 1452.9097 1141 DTA_int_08 1452.9097 that look like highways but they don't call them highways. 1454.9226 1142 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1455.9210 1456.0494 1143 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1456.0494 (pause 0.12) 1456.1725 1144 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1456.1725 Well 1456.7256 1145 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1456.7256 (pause 0.91) 1457.6394 1146 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1457.6394 originally they were [expressways] 1459.6126 1147 DTA_int_08 1459.4964 [Mm-hm.] 1459.8143 1148 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1460.5508 and now I think we call them [freeways.] 1462.5622 1149 DTA_int_08 1462.5178 [Uh-huh.] Do you know the names of any of them? 1463.9868 1150 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1464.6621 John Lodge, 1465.8215 1151 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1465.8215 (pause 0.60) 1466.4255 1152 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1466.4255 Willow Run- 1467.0031 1153 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1467.0031 (pause 0.64) 1467.6407 1154 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1467.6407 or is it Ford? 1468.5423 1155 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1468.5423 (pause 2.35) 1470.8944 1156 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1470.8944 Willow Run and 1471.7195 1157 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1471.7195 (pause 0.83) 1472.5447 1158 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1472.5447 Lodge, I think. 1473.4734 1159 DTA_int_08 1473.4910 Mm-hm. 1473.6896 1160 DTA_int_08 1473.6896 (pause 0.29) 1473.9770 1161 DTA_int_08 1473.9770 Okay. 1474.2244 1162 DTA_int_08 1474.2244 (pause 0.53) 1474.7501 1163 DTA_int_08 1474.7501 And, uh, where were you born? 1475.8255 1164 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1476.1334 Albany, Georgia. 1477.1175 1165 DTA_int_08 1477.4903 Uh-huh. 1477.7073 1166 DTA_int_08 1477.7073 (pause 0.35) 1478.0526 1167 DTA_int_08 1478.0526 Have you ever lived any place else besides Detroit and Albany? 1480.7379 1168 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1481.1046 No. 1481.5049 1169 DTA_int_08 1482.2893 Excuse me. Have you ever lived in any place else besides this house? 1485.5796 1170 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1486.0197 Yes. 1486.5576 1171 DTA_int_08 1486.5851 Where else have you lived? 1487.3857 1172 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1488.1243 We lived in, um, 1489.6706 1173 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1489.6706 (pause 2.61) 1492.2795 1174 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1492.2795 well it wasn't the Hamtramck area, but we lived near Hamtramck. 1495.4567 1175 DTA_int_08 1495.4603 Mm-hm. 1495.8710 1176 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1495.9212 It was called North Detroit. 1497.4752 1177 DTA_int_08 1497.5552 Mm-hm. 1497.8486 1178 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1498.5637 This is where I grew up 1499.7056 1179 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1499.7056 (pause 0.27) 1499.9778 1180 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1499.9778 and where I started to school. 1501.4292 1181 DTA_int_08 1501.7195 Mm-hm. 1502.1382 1182 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1502.6180 And 1503.2007 1183 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1503.2007 (pause 0.74) 1503.9372 1184 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1503.9372 there were 1504.4353 1185 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1504.4353 (pause 0.56) 1504.9976 1186 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1504.9976 Negroes 1505.7637 1187 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1505.7637 (pause 0.13) 1505.8920 1188 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1505.8920 in the area, 1506.7141 1189 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1506.7141 (pause 0.61) 1507.3253 1190 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1507.3253 but predominantly in the section that we lived there were Polish people. 1510.6818 1191 DTA_int_08 1511.0037 Mm-hm. 1511.3428 1192 DTA_int_08 1511.3428 (pause 1.77) 1513.1175 1193 DTA_int_08 1513.1175 And, 1513.5209 1194 DTA_int_08 1513.5209 (pause 0.25) 1513.7684 1195 DTA_int_08 1513.7684 uh, do y- have you ever gone outside of Detroit on trips? 1516.0502 1196 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1516.6217 Last summer we stayed for a month in Columbia, South Carolina. 1520.9684 1197 DTA_int_08 1521.2129 [Mm-hm.] 1521.4818 1198 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1521.4543 [It] was quite an interesting experience. 1523.4266 1199 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1524.4574 My husband was with the University of South Carolina there at Columbia. 1528.0991 1200 DTA_int_08 1528.3497 Mm-hm. 1528.7134 1201 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1529.3980 And he had never been south other than when he was stationed in Petersburg, Virginia in the Army. 1534.2000 1202 DTA_int_08 1534.4017 Mm-hm. 1534.6992 1203 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1535.2574 So it was good for him, 1536.5229 1204 DTA_int_08 1536.9188 Mm-hm. 1537.2759 1205 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1537.4261 and it was nice for me to get back 1539.2007 1206 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1539.2007 (pause 1.00) 1540.1969 1207 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1540.1969 in the area. 1541.0740 1208 DTA_int_08 1541.5508 Mm-hm. 1541.9175 1209 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1544.0832 Although I was raised here and never went to school in the south. 1547.2205 1210 DTA_int_08 1547.2205 Mm-hm. 1547.4977 1211 DTA_int_08 1547.4977 (pause 1.52) 1549.0197 1212 DTA_int_08 1549.0197 And, uh, 1549.4322 1213 DTA_int_08 1549.4322 (pause 0.31) 1549.7440 1214 DTA_int_08 1549.7440 does anything special happen here at home for the holidays? 1552.3040 1215 DTA_int_08 1552.3040 (pause 2.90) 1555.2030 1216 DTA_int_08 1555.2030 Uh, like the one that comes December twenty fifth? 1557.2771 1217 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1557.7110 Christmas? 1558.2219 1218 DTA_int_08 1558.3131 Mm-hm. 1558.5859 1219 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1558.8295 We always have 1559.4866 1220 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1559.4866 (pause 0.80) 1560.2832 1221 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1560.2832 a tree, 1560.8883 1222 DTA_int_08 1561.2061 [Mm-hm.] 1561.4934 1223 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1561.4384 [and] presents, 1562.3976 1224 DTA_int_08 1562.6322 Mm-hm. 1563.0204 1225 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1563.1884 and dinner. 1563.8760 1226 DTA_int_08 1564.1969 Mm-hm. 1564.5148 1227 DTA_int_08 1564.5148 (pause 0.29) 1564.8081 1228 DTA_int_08 1564.8081 Do you cook anything special, like eggnog for Christmas? 1567.0232 1229 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1567.0232 No, we don't make eggnog. 1568.9403 1230 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1569.3168 We have turkey 1570.4139 1231 DTA_int_08 1570.7134 Uh-huh. 1570.9978 1232 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1572.1365 and we, uh, make Christmas cookies. 1574.5064 1233 DTA_int_08 1574.6455 Uh-huh. 1574.9725 1234 DTA_int_08 1574.9725 (pause 0.71) 1575.6866 1235 DTA_int_08 1575.6866 Do you have any customs or anything that you celebrate? 1577.8054 1236 DTA_int_08 1577.8054 (pause 0.48) 1578.2832 1237 DTA_int_08 1578.2832 /you know/? 1578.7599 1238 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1579.6981 No, we make, uh, a lot out of birthdays. 1582.7195 1239 DTA_int_08 1582.8968 Mm-hm. 1583.2329 1240 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1583.8594 And my little ones are very disappointed if, uh, 1586.4252 1241 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1586.4252 (pause 0.38) 1586.8013 1242 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1586.8013 we don't have a birthday cake. 1588.2657 1243 DTA_int_08 1588.5789 Mm-hm. 1588.8845 1244 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1589.2910 And when my birthday comes up, they wanna know if I'm gonna make my own birthday cake. (laughing) 1593.1212 1245 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1593.1212 (pause 0.45) 1593.5704 1246 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1593.5704 When are you gonna get busy? 1594.9076 1247 DTA_int_08 1595.0068 1595.5771 1248 DTA_int_08 1595.5771 (pause 1.15) 1596.7294 1249 DTA_int_08 1596.7294 Uh-huh. 1597.1531 1250 DTA_int_08 1597.1531 (pause 0.57) 1597.7226 1251 DTA_int_08 1597.7226 And, um, 1598.7311 1252 DTA_int_08 1598.7311 (pause 0.39) 1599.1233 1253 DTA_int_08 1599.1233 what was the best Christmas present you've ever got? 1601.0842 1254 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1604.0589 I think a doll. 1605.1300 1255 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1605.1300 (pause 0.15) 1605.2793 1256 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1605.2793 It seems to me I never had a lot of dolls when I was little, 1608.1508 1257 DTA_int_08 1608.3894 Mm-hm. 1608.8053 1258 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1609.4717 and when I got the doll I was really too big to enjoy it. 1612.5818 1259 DTA_int_08 1612.6277 Mm-hm. 1612.9499 1260 DTA_int_08 1612.9499 (pause 1.11) 1614.0591 1261 DTA_int_08 1614.0591 Mm-hm. 1614.2710 1262 DTA_int_08 1614.2710 (pause 0.43) 1614.7044 1263 DTA_int_08 1614.7044 And there's another holiday that comes around the end of October. 1617.5117 1264 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1618.0833 Halloween? 1618.7011 1265 DTA_int_08 1618.7775 Mm-hm. 1618.9886 1266 DTA_int_08 1618.9886 (pause 0.12) 1619.1109 1267 DTA_int_08 1619.1109 What happens then? 1619.7563 1268 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1620.3099 The children dress up, and their father 1622.5513 1269 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1622.5513 (pause 1.05) 1623.6035 1270 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1623.6035 takes them out. And 1624.5573 1271 DTA_int_08 1624.5757 Uh-huh. 1624.8833 1272 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1625.0314 very happy about this. 1626.5178 1273 DTA_int_08 1626.5974 What do they say when the ring the doorbell? 1628.0039 1274 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1628.4963 Trick or [treat.] 1629.3710 1275 DTA_int_08 1629.2334 [What] did you say? 1630.0905 1276 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1630.8509 We didn't say that. 1631.9061 1277 DTA_int_08 1632.4807 What did you say? 1633.2331 1278 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1633.3371 We went begging but we didn't say that. 1635.6830 1279 DTA_int_08 1635.7503 Uh-huh. 1636.0714 1280 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1636.6888 I don't know 1637.4443 1281 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1637.4443 (pause 0.64) 1638.0805 1282 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1638.0805 what we said. 1638.9527 1283 DTA_int_08 1639.4136 Uh, did you say, help the poor? 1640.7833 1284 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1641.0805 Yes. 1641.7437 1285 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1641.7437 (pause 0.56) 1642.3065 1286 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1642.3065 Help the poor. 1643.1507 1287 DTA_int_08 1643.1507 [Okay, uh,] 1643.9704 1288 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1643.4168 [Mm-hm.] 1643.9349 1289 DTA_int_08 1644.0835 how- how old is your oldest child? 1645.7684 1290 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1645.9519 Twenty-three. 1646.6309 1291 DTA_int_08 1647.2732 What did he say? 1648.0905 1292 DTA_int_08 1648.0905 (pause 0.31) 1648.3983 1293 DTA_int_08 1648.3983 He, she? 1648.9926 1294 DTA_int_08 1648.9926 (pause 0.88) 1649.8756 1295 DTA_int_08 1649.8756 He. 1650.0529 1296 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1651.3616 Trick or treat. 1652.3455 1297 DTA_int_08 1653.4077 He did? 1653.7438 1298 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1653.9640 Yes. 1654.5634 1299 DTA_int_08 1654.6368 Uh-huh. 1654.8785 1300 DTA_int_08 1654.8785 (pause 0.42) 1655.2944 1301 DTA_int_08 1655.2944 Okay. 1655.6615 1302 DTA_int_08 1655.6615 (pause 0.39) 1656.0499 1303 DTA_int_08 1656.0499 And, uh, some people buy those big orange things that they sit on the front porches. 1659.4719 1304 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1659.7197 [Pumpkins?] 1660.3952 1305 DTA_int_08 1660.3096 [Uh-huh.] 1660.5849 1306 DTA_int_08 1660.9855 [And.] 1661.3222 1307 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1661.0559 [We always] have a pumpkin and we do what with it /RD-NAME-2/? 1664.0861 1308 misc 1664.6890 Cut it open and take it all outside and I cut the eyes there. 1668.9034 1309 misc 1668.9034 (pause 0.15) 1669.0543 1310 misc 1669.0543 /?/ 1669.2454 1311 misc 1669.2454 (pause 0.54) 1669.7898 1312 misc 1669.7898 See k- I cut the eyes and the nose and you cut the mouth. 1673.2914 1313 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1673.4871 And we put a candle inside 1675.1720 1314 misc 1675.1842 Yeah. 1675.5035 1315 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1675.7959 [to light it.] 1676.4626 1316 misc 1675.8204 [You wasn't here] when we did it. 1677.5668 1317 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1679.0528 Where was I? 1679.8278 1318 misc 1680.1998 You were at the supermarket, I think. 1682.9275 1319 DTA_int_08 1684.1200 1684.9907 1320 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1685.6492 Uh-huh. 1685.9395 1321 DTA_int_08 1686.0101 And, uh, some of the girls like to get dressed up like those ugly things that ride on the brooms. 1689.7630 1322 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1690.6521 The witches? 1691.3862 1323 misc 1692.9311 [My mom's] a witch. 1694.2241 1324 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1692.9487 [Right?] 1693.2289 1325 DTA_int_08 1694.6492 1695.1722 1326 DTA_int_08 1695.1722 (pause 0.63) 1695.8023 1327 DTA_int_08 1695.8023 And, uh, 1696.4045 1328 DTA_int_08 1696.4045 (pause 0.28) 1696.6858 1329 DTA_int_08 1696.6858 do the [children ever tend to get into any] /physical/- 1699.1335 1330 misc 1697.0406 [/unintelligible/.] 1698.3037 1331 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1699.6032 Pardon me? 1699.9610 1332 DTA_int_08 1700.4168 children. Do they tend get [/inaudible/?] 1703.1407 1333 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1702.0343 [No, my children] have been everything else but not fighters. 1705.3799 1334 DTA_int_08 1705.6797 Mm-hm. 1705.9702 1335 DTA_int_08 1705.9702 (pause 0.31) 1706.2822 1336 DTA_int_08 1706.2822 How about when you lived as a child? 1707.7598 1337 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1708.5818 I think I got in a couple of fights once. 1710.8036 1338 DTA_int_08 1710.8814 Uh-huh. 1711.2454 1339 DTA_int_08 1711.2454 (pause 0.15) 1711.3983 1340 DTA_int_08 1711.3983 What kind of things do the fights start about? 1713.0254 1341 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1713.5148 Well I think once I was defending my little sister. 1716.2915 1342 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1716.2915 (pause 0.58) 1716.8753 1343 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1716.8753 I think this was the only time. 1718.1966 1344 DTA_int_08 1718.8327 Mm-hm. 1719.1080 1345 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1720.4778 And, um, 1721.4596 1346 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1721.4596 (pause 3.19) 1724.6523 1347 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1724.6523 we were not 1725.2456 1348 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1725.2456 (pause 0.17) 1725.4108 1349 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1725.4108 taught to fight when we were called names. 1727.9367 1350 DTA_int_08 1728.1111 Mm-hm. 1728.3404 1351 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1728.3618 Instead we 1729.1658 1352 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1729.1658 (pause 0.71) 1729.8723 1353 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1729.8723 were taught to feel sorry for these children, because 1732.7561 1354 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1732.7561 (pause 0.60) 1733.3525 1355 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1733.3525 they hadn't been taught manners. 1734.9797 1356 DTA_int_08 1735.1200 Mm-hm. 1735.4686 1357 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1735.5634 And I use this philosophy with my children. I think it's pretty good. 1738.5879 1358 DTA_int_08 1738.9213 Mm-hm. 1739.3220 1359 DTA_int_08 1739.3220 (pause 1.17) 1740.4934 1360 DTA_int_08 1740.4934 Were there, uh- 1741.4656 1361 DTA_int_08 1741.4656 (pause 0.82) 1742.2822 1362 DTA_int_08 1742.2822 I noticed that in speaking of this, you always use the word 1744.9702 1363 DTA_int_08 1744.9702 (pause 0.33) 1745.3005 1364 DTA_int_08 1745.3005 Negro when you do 1746.5423 1365 DTA_int_08 1746.5423 (pause 0.28) 1746.8263 1366 DTA_int_08 1746.8263 specify yourself or- like in the movies and everything. 1749.7407 1367 DTA_int_08 1749.7407 (pause 0.44) 1750.1842 1368 DTA_int_08 1750.1842 Is, uh- of all the different terms that Negro, colored, Black. Would Negro be the one that you would prefer to be 1754.7716 1369 DTA_int_08 1754.7716 (pause 0.69) 1755.4658 1370 DTA_int_08 1755.4658 called? If it had to be narrowed [down?] 1757.5269 1371 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1757.3434 [Oh,] I don't [know. You see,] when you speak of colored people 1760.8021 1372 DTA_int_08 1757.9830 [/inaudible/] 1758.3794 1373 DTA_int_08 1760.8113 [Uh-huh.] 1761.0988 1374 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1760.9520 [I] understand that 1762.0658 1375 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1762.3340 this refers to anyone who isn't white. 1764.3221 1376 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1764.3221 (pause 0.63) 1764.9517 1377 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1764.9517 So this would take in Mexicans, 1767.0652 1378 DTA_int_08 1767.0805 We were always [told in school] that 1768.6303 1379 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1767.6616 [Indians.] 1768.2624 1380 DTA_int_08 1769.8878 white was the absence of color, so we were the colored people. 1773.1429 1381 DTA_int_08 1773.1429 (pause 1.18) 1774.3251 1382 DTA_int_08 1774.3251 In a Polish school, this /the thing they taught us/. 1776.3955 1383 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1776.7503 [In the Polish- are you] Polish? 1777.9488 1384 DTA_int_08 1776.8416 [Black people-] 1777.4869 1385 DTA_int_08 1777.9488 yes. They'd say, 1778.5972 1386 DTA_int_08 1778.5972 (pause 0.25) 1778.8511 1387 DTA_int_08 1778.8511 Black people aren't the colored people. 1780.5188 1388 DTA_int_08 1780.5188 (pause 0.19) 1780.7090 1389 DTA_int_08 1780.7090 We are the colored people, cause white is the absence of color. 1784.3770 1390 DTA_int_08 1784.3770 (pause 0.45) 1784.8240 1391 DTA_int_08 1784.8240 And black is, 1785.8486 1392 DTA_int_08 1785.8486 (pause 0.38) 1786.2270 1393 DTA_int_08 1786.2270 uh, 1786.4166 1394 DTA_int_08 1786.4166 (pause 0.14) 1786.5573 1395 DTA_int_08 1786.5573 colored people- or something like that. 1788.1814 1396 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1788.3190 [Yes.] 1788.8487 1397 DTA_int_08 1788.5144 [But anyway] they always told us that we were [the colored people.] 1790.9795 1398 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1790.3617 [Is that right?] 1791.6139 1399 DTA_int_08 1791.7350 [] 1792.4044 1400 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1792.3738 [Then] what does that makes us then? [The Blacks.] 1794.3496 1401 DTA_int_08 1793.7899 [] 1794.1019 1402 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1795.1169 Well [I have heard-] 1796.2883 1403 DTA_int_08 1795.3646 [I know /?/.] 1795.8237 1404 DTA_int_08 1795.8237 (pause 0.29) 1796.1124 1405 DTA_int_08 1796.1124 [] 1796.3617 1406 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1796.5880 I have heard that to- uh, 1798.3035 1407 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1798.3035 (pause 0.90) 1799.2057 1408 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1799.2057 I've heard, um, 1800.3557 1409 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1800.3557 (pause 2.25) 1802.6064 1410 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1802.6064 Negroes refer to as Blacks. 1804.8479 1411 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1804.8479 (pause 1.07) 1805.9184 1412 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1805.9184 But I don't really don't know. 1807.2484 1413 DTA_int_08 1807.6430 Mm-hm. 1807.9060 1414 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1807.9243 Because we were taught there is a red race, 1810.3799 1415 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1810.3799 (pause 0.26) 1810.6399 1416 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1810.6399 yellow race, black race, 1812.2832 1417 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1812.2832 (pause 0.24) 1812.5270 1418 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1812.5270 and white [race.] 1813.5053 1419 DTA_int_08 1813.3279 [Mm-hm.] 1813.6338 1420 DTA_int_08 1814.7746 Mm-hm. 1815.0896 1421 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1815.8084 But today with all the talk, 1817.6492 1422 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1817.6492 (pause 0.25) 1817.8969 1423 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1817.8969 it narrows down to, uh, white and non-white. 1820.9092 1424 DTA_int_08 1821.1325 Mm-hm. 1821.4719 1425 DTA_int_08 1821.4719 (pause 1.26) 1822.7317 1426 DTA_int_08 1822.7317 Mm-hm. 1823.0872 1427 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1823.3739 But I think Negroes 1824.9368 1428 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1824.9368 (pause 0.12) 1825.0557 1429 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1825.0557 really specifies a group of people. 1827.4719 1430 DTA_int_08 1827.7376 Mm-hm. 1828.0741 1431 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1828.0741 The American Negro. 1829.2638 1432 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1829.8572 You don't even call the Africans Negro, you see, they're Africans. 1833.1110 1433 DTA_int_08 1833.1814 Mm-hm. 1833.5674 1434 DTA_int_08 1833.5674 (pause 2.22) 1835.7899 1435 DTA_int_08 1835.7899 Mm-hm. 1836.1339 1436 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1836.3435 So I really think this is the most accurate description. 1838.9887 1437 DTA_int_08 1839.3435 Mm-hm. 1839.6555 1438 DTA_int_08 1839.6555 (pause 0.67) 1840.3249 1439 DTA_int_08 1840.3249 Mm-hm. 1840.5634 1440 DTA_int_08 1840.5634 (pause 0.36) 1840.9243 1441 DTA_int_08 1840.9243 Would there be any names from 1842.7013 1442 DTA_int_08 1842.7013 (pause 0.51) 1843.2086 1443 DTA_int_08 1843.2086 certain list that you would just abhor being called? 1845.4934 1444 DTA_int_08 1845.4934 (pause 1.47) 1846.9672 1445 DTA_int_08 1846.9672 You would just- 1847.4412 1446 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1847.5972 You mean like nigger? 1848.5454 1447 DTA_int_08 1848.7044 yeah. 1848.9032 1448 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1852.0374 Yes, I wouldn't want to be called nigger. It would be upsetting. 1855.2484 1449 DTA_int_08 1855.5971 Mm-hm. 1855.9060 1450 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1855.9549 We had some very good white friends who were quite fond of us, 1859.2180 1451 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1859.2180 (pause 0.53) 1859.7501 1452 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1859.7501 and in telling a story once he said, 1861.4626 1453 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1861.4626 (pause 0.24) 1861.7011 1454 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1861.7011 there's a nigger in the wood pile. 1863.0684 1455 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1863.0684 (pause 1.48) 1864.5451 1456 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1864.5451 And I was a little taken back. I don't know if he ever realized that I was a little upset. 1869.0835 1457 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1869.0835 (pause 0.65) 1869.7350 1458 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1869.7350 But I sort of had the feeling that you never assume that anyone is that well adjusted. 1873.8356 1459 DTA_int_08 1874.2057 Mm-hm. 1874.5439 1460 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1874.8572 Although, I think when you can laugh and tell jokes it means that you 1878.4016 1461 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1878.4016 (pause 0.28) 1878.6769 1462 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1878.6769 feel pretty secure about who you are. 1880.5941 1463 DTA_int_08 1880.9245 [Mm-hm.] 1881.1813 1464 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1880.9673 [Maybe,] I don't know. 1881.9729 1465 DTA_int_08 1882.0150 When you're with [friends. ] 1883.5683 1466 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1882.8540 [Yes.] 1883.3984 1467 DTA_int_08 1883.8602 Uh-huh. 1884.1331 1468 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1884.5301 But, um, 1885.5971 1469 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1885.5971 (pause 0.40) 1885.9966 1470 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1885.9966 I have learned not 1887.7594 1471 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1887.7594 (pause 0.58) 1888.3432 1472 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1888.3432 to get upset, though. 1889.5880 1473 DTA_int_08 1889.7930 Mm-hm. 1890.1529 1474 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1890.3517 But more, you just really feel sorry for people 1893.3924 1475 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1893.3924 (pause 0.70) 1894.0894 1476 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1894.0894 who, um, 1894.9733 1477 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1894.9733 (pause 0.16) 1895.1293 1478 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1895.1293 aren't mature enough or secure enough within themselves 1899.0554 1479 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1899.0554 (pause 0.52) 1899.5759 1480 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1899.5759 to accept other people. 1900.7164 1481 DTA_int_08 1900.8968 Mm-hm. 1901.2219 1482 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1901.3066 Because I think this is what it is. 1902.7961 1483 DTA_int_08 1903.0802 [Mm-hm.] 1903.3799 1484 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1903.3310 [Really,] it is. 1904.1140 1485 DTA_int_08 1905.6983 Mm-hm. 1905.9644 1486 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1907.6859 So it's been a long time 1909.7102 1487 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1909.7102 (pause 1.00) 1910.7134 1488 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1910.7134 since I've been called that. 1911.8053 1489 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1911.8053 (pause 0.50) 1912.3065 1490 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1912.3065 And I don't think these children, um, 1914.2303 1491 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1914.2303 (pause 1.91) 1916.1354 1492 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1916.1354 will have it. 1917.0346 1493 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1917.0346 (pause 0.42) 1917.4536 1494 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1917.4536 My son said at Michigan State that, um, 1919.9581 1495 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1919.9581 (pause 0.43) 1920.3863 1496 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1920.3863 there was quite a racial, 1921.5940 1497 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1921.5940 (pause 1.53) 1923.1263 1498 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1923.1263 um, 1923.8053 1499 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1923.8053 (pause 1.22) 1925.0283 1500 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1925.0283 I shouldn't say it was quite a- I was gonna say it was a racial difference, but he said that you were made to feel 1929.3985 1501 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1929.3985 (pause 0.72) 1930.1169 1502 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1930.1169 outside of the group. 1931.1629 1503 DTA_int_08 1931.4351 Really? 1931.7012 1504 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1931.8266 [Mm-hm.] 1932.2701 1505 DTA_int_08 1932.2273 [When] did your son go there? 1933.4197 1506 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1933.4350 Uh, 1935.1569 1507 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1935.1569 (pause 0.69) 1935.8512 1508 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1935.8512 it's been about three years now. 1937.1568 1509 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1937.1568 (pause 0.75) 1937.9092 1510 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1937.9092 He should have graduated in June and did not. 1940.2088 1511 DTA_int_08 1940.4810 Mm-hm. 1940.8002 1512 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1941.1844 So I would say it's been four years. Three and four years ago. 1944.0652 1513 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1944.0652 (pause 0.37) 1944.4383 1514 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1944.4383 And I have a friend whose son went to University of Michigan, 1946.9703 1515 DTA_int_08 1947.2364 Mm-hm. 1947.4919 1516 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1947.8114 and this has only been two years ago. It w- 1949.9489 1517 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1949.9489 (pause 0.35) 1950.3037 1518 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1950.3037 she said that he 1951.0526 1519 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1951.0526 (pause 0.17) 1951.2178 1520 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1951.2178 felt, uh- he was made to feel, um, 1953.5759 1521 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1953.5759 (pause 0.11) 1953.6860 1522 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1953.6860 out of place in a certain restaurant. 1955.4596 1523 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1955.4596 (pause 1.07) 1956.5270 1524 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1956.5270 That their 1957.4013 1525 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1957.4013 (pause 0.15) 1957.5481 1526 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1957.5481 remarks were unbearable, 1959.4016 1527 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1959.4016 (pause 1.35) 1960.7561 1528 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1960.7561 and he avoided eating here. 1962.0223 1529 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1962.0223 (pause 0.32) 1962.3374 1530 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1962.3374 This is quite recent. 1963.6062 1531 DTA_int_08 1965.5545 I'd be surprised to hear that at Michigan State, because there was 1967.8954 1532 DTA_int_08 1967.8954 (pause 0.40) 1968.2915 1533 DTA_int_08 1968.2915 so much in this interacial dating going on that it would- 1971.3802 1534 DTA_int_08 1971.3802 (pause 0.36) 1971.7380 1535 DTA_int_08 1971.7380 you know what I [mean?] (laughing) 1972.5632 1536 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1972.1536 [He said] that, um, 1973.7110 1537 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1974.1722 uh, mim- Negroes had been mimicked 1976.4884 1538 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1976.4884 (pause 0.58) 1977.0713 1539 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1977.0713 by groups. 1977.7625 1540 DTA_int_08 1978.4197 Mm-hm. 1978.7102 1541 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1979.2271 Just standing and talking and, uh, 1981.3860 1542 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1981.3860 (pause 0.46) 1981.8448 1543 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1981.8448 when a group of, um, 1983.2028 1544 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1983.2028 (pause 0.79) 1983.9949 1545 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1983.9949 boys would pass 1985.2895 1546 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1985.2895 (pause 0.72) 1986.0132 1547 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1986.0132 or 1986.5117 1548 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1986.5117 (pause 0.35) 1986.8665 1549 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1986.8665 kids, uh, someone would mimic. 1989.1537 1550 DTA_int_08 1989.7590 Uh-huh. 1990.0522 1551 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1990.8632 Make derogatory remarks 1992.8023 1552 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1992.8023 (pause 0.77) 1993.5757 1553 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1993.5757 at Michigan State. 1994.6003 1554 DTA_int_08 1994.9153 Mm-hm. 1995.2762 1555 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1997.0069 But when you think that these students come from all over the state, 1999.9641 1556 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 1999.9641 (pause 2.45) 2002.4166 1557 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2002.4166 it was- it isn't too hard to understand. 2004.5148 1558 DTA_int_08 2005.2331 Mm-hm. 2005.6521 1559 DTA_int_08 2005.6521 (pause 4.55) 2010.1997 1560 DTA_int_08 2010.1997 /What do you mean?/ 2010.7796 1561 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2011.5298 Well you just- 2012.2210 1562 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2012.2210 (pause 0.39) 2012.6125 1563 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2012.6125 uh, you would either go along with the person- with whom you are friendly, 2016.0132 1564 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2016.0132 (pause 1.98) 2017.9977 1565 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2017.9977 or you, uh, you get a reaction from what you read in the newspaper. 2021.4993 1566 DTA_int_08 2021.6798 [Uh-huh.] 2021.9673 1567 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2021.7287 [Or what] you see. 2022.6432 1568 DTA_int_08 2022.8114 Uh-huh. 2023.1800 1569 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2024.0772 And you would form your attitude 2025.8818 1570 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2025.8818 (pause 0.20) 2026.0802 1571 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2026.0802 from this. 2026.7753 1572 DTA_int_08 2026.9182 Mm-hm. 2027.2057 1573 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2027.9214 Until you had an opportunity to associate or 2031.1600 1574 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2031.1600 (pause 0.29) 2031.4505 1575 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2031.4505 make, um, 2032.5665 1576 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2032.5665 (pause 0.52) 2033.0864 1577 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2033.0864 a decision for yourself. 2034.4291 1578 DTA_int_08 2034.6554 Mm-hm. 2035.0282 1579 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2035.4166 I read in the paper just last night, a letter from a Mr. 2038.8540 1580 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2038.8540 (pause 0.48) 2039.3372 1581 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2039.3372 /RD-NAME-3/. 2040.1508 1582 DTA_int_08 2040.2334 Mm-hm. 2040.4933 1583 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2041.1046 And he was saying that he could not understand 2043.6799 1584 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2043.6799 (pause 0.73) 2044.4135 1585 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2044.4135 why 2044.9427 1586 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2044.9427 (pause 0.25) 2045.1935 1587 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2045.1935 the colored people 2046.6418 1588 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2046.6418 (pause 0.51) 2047.1505 1589 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2047.1505 wanted to move where they weren't wanted. 2049.1936 1590 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2049.1936 (pause 0.12) 2049.3159 1591 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2049.3159 And how proud he was to live in 2051.0844 1592 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2051.0844 (pause 0.22) 2051.3007 1593 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2051.3007 a Polish ghetto. 2052.2395 1594 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2052.2395 (pause 0.32) 2052.5637 1595 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2052.5637 He felt very secure 2054.0252 1596 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2054.0252 (pause 0.41) 2054.4320 1597 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2054.4320 from the Anglo-Saxon world. 2056.1663 1598 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2056.1663 (pause 0.31) 2056.4747 1599 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2056.4747 This is what he said. 2057.4045 1600 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2057.4045 (pause 0.75) 2058.1508 1601 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2058.1508 And he said that there were many successful 2060.6034 1602 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2060.6034 (pause 0.59) 2061.1967 1603 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2061.1967 Negroes and many successful white people, and these people had gained 2065.3414 1604 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2065.3414 (pause 0.74) 2066.0834 1605 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2066.0834 their success, because 2068.4900 1606 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2068.4900 (pause 0.76) 2069.2485 1607 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2069.2485 of hard work. 2070.1477 1608 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2070.1477 (pause 1.59) 2071.7377 1609 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2071.7377 I [don't write letters.] 2073.1018 1610 misc 2071.9671 [/Where was daddy born?/] 2073.5312 1611 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2073.3679 [Excuse] me. 2074.0050 1612 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2075.0436 Chicago. 2075.6836 1613 misc 2076.0621 Yeah, [Chicago.] 2077.3733 1614 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2077.1046 [I don't] write letters, but I'm very happy that I'm having this opportunity to answer this on tape. 2082.2870 1615 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2083.3952 I wanted to write and tell him that I have been a good, 2086.2881 1616 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2086.2881 (pause 0.14) 2086.4258 1617 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2086.4258 clean, [quiet Negro all of my life.] 2089.0312 1618 misc 2087.1659 [/unintelligible/ mommy] and poppy born? 2091.2107 1619 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2092.5542 Poppy was born in Florida and mommy was born in Georgia. 2095.7928 1620 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2095.7928 (pause 2.07) 2097.8599 1621 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2097.8599 To tell him that although I had the characteristics that he said were so necessary for gaining respect, 2104.0893 1622 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2104.0893 (pause 0.29) 2104.3768 1623 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2104.3768 he said that 2105.3840 1624 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2105.3840 (pause 0.61) 2105.9917 1625 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2105.9917 no law could change 2107.4716 1626 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2107.4716 (pause 0.14) 2107.6093 1627 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2107.6093 attitudes about [Negroes.] 2109.6830 1628 misc 2108.7440 [Where did mom /unintelligible/?] 2109.9552 1629 misc 2110.1994 I forgot. 2110.8148 1630 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2111.0222 Pardon me? 2111.4504 1631 misc 2111.6920 Where's mommy? I forgot. 2113.0924 1632 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2113.2300 Where was she born? 2113.9702 1633 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2113.9702 (pause 0.24) 2114.2118 1634 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2114.2118 In Georgia. 2114.7892 1635 misc 2115.4195 /??/ 2115.8505 1636 misc 2115.8505 (pause 0.48) 2116.3279 1637 misc 2116.3279 Mommy's born in Georgia. 2118.0529 1638 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2118.0529 He said no law could change the attitude 2120.9380 1639 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2121.1661 about Negroes. Only the Negroes could do that themselves 2124.3022 1640 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2124.3022 (pause 0.15) 2124.4536 1641 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2124.4536 by 2124.8420 1642 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2124.8420 (pause 0.17) 2125.0163 1643 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2125.0163 working hard and being [industrious.] 2127.0688 1644 misc 2126.9061 [Granny /born/?] 2128.0225 1645 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2128.5114 [Granny was born in St. Louis.] 2130.4092 1646 misc 2128.5481 [/mommy and daddy, mommy and daddy/.] 2130.4405 1647 DTA_int_08 2131.2637 Uh. 2131.6429 1648 misc 2132.9734 /RD-NAME-2/ threw up. 2134.0129 1649 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2134.4472 Could you take care of it for me? 2135.7685 1650 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2135.7685 (pause 0.78) 2136.5465 1651 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2136.5465 Get some tissue. 2137.4564 1652 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2137.4564 (pause 1.92) 2139.3740 1653 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2139.3740 Um- 2139.8878 1654 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2139.8878 (pause 2.23) 2142.1171 1655 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2142.1171 um. 2142.8084 1656 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2142.8084 (pause 1.35) 2144.1537 1657 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2144.1537 He felt that, uh, 2145.2731 1658 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2145.2731 (pause 1.18) 2146.4533 1659 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2146.4533 respect 2147.2621 1660 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2147.2621 (pause 0.71) 2147.9673 1661 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2147.9673 would be given to Negroes when they earned it. 2149.7741 1662 DTA_int_08 2150.1629 Mm-hm. 2150.5228 1663 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2151.4994 And I wanted to tell him- 2152.8387 1664 misc 2152.8754 No, what happened? 2153.8767 1665 misc 2153.8767 (pause 0.43) 2154.3068 1666 misc 2154.3068 see, /unintelligible/ and, um, 2155.9946 1667 misc 2155.9946 (pause 0.16) 2156.1568 1668 misc 2156.1568 /unintelligible/ /RD-NAME-2/ on himself and now he threw up on him. 2158.7744 1669 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2158.8907 Get a towel and take care of it, will you /RD-NAME-2/? 2161.1388 1670 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2161.1388 (pause 1.78) 2162.9153 1671 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2162.9153 Um, 2163.4719 1672 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2163.4719 (pause 0.81) 2164.2820 1673 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2164.2820 I wanted to say that I had been a good, quiet, clean Negro all of my life. 2168.8945 1674 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2168.8945 (pause 0.60) 2169.4903 1675 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2169.4903 And still when we wanted a house or wanted a job, 2172.7004 1676 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2172.7004 (pause 0.30) 2173.0037 1677 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2173.0037 people took one look and said no. 2175.0957 1678 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2175.0957 (pause 2.31) 2177.4075 1679 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2177.4075 And I w- wonder if he really realizes that 2179.6215 1680 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2179.6215 (pause 0.17) 2179.7877 1681 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2179.7877 this isn't the way, 2181.2731 1682 DTA_int_08 2181.8293 Mm-hm. 2182.1688 1683 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2183.8908 um, 2184.5946 1684 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2184.5946 (pause 1.99) 2186.5849 1685 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2186.5849 respect would be given. 2187.9123 1686 misc 2188.6112 /RD-NAME-2/ 2189.1836 1687 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2189.4075 And I think this is why so many of the young people are rebelling today. 2192.9887 1688 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2192.9887 (pause 0.59) 2193.5790 1689 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2193.5790 Because they have been clean and quiet. 2196.0272 1690 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2196.0272 (pause 0.80) 2196.8268 1691 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2196.8268 And wore white shirts at the right time and wore ties, 2199.5912 1692 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2199.5912 (pause 0.31) 2199.9032 1693 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2199.9032 and they were still denied 2201.2093 1694 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2201.2093 (pause 0.64) 2201.8480 1695 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2201.8480 some of the freedoms that were 2203.6187 1696 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2203.6187 (pause 0.88) 2204.4993 1697 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2204.4993 just theirs. 2205.4056 1698 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2205.4056 (pause 1.08) 2206.4808 1699 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2206.4808 Because they were born. 2207.9088 1700 DTA_int_08 2207.9825 Mm-hm. 2208.3373 1701 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2209.3891 And, um, 2210.3759 1702 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2210.3759 (pause 0.79) 2211.1691 1703 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2211.1691 a very fine 2212.1719 1704 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2212.1719 (pause 0.23) 2212.4043 1705 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2212.4043 Polish 2212.9965 1706 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2212.9965 (pause 0.62) 2213.6186 1707 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2213.6186 assistant principal, Ms. /RD-NAME-1/, 2215.2912 1708 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2215.2912 (pause 0.44) 2215.7316 1709 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2215.7316 she was such a wonderful person and we used to talk and talk. 2218.7989 1710 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2218.7989 (pause 0.70) 2219.4962 1711 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2219.4962 And one day she said, um, 2221.5603 1712 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2221.5603 (pause 0.36) 2221.9212 1713 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2221.9212 the same thing. 2222.8113 1714 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2222.8113 (pause 1.47) 2224.2789 1715 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2224.2789 That you have to earn it. 2225.8235 1716 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2225.8235 (pause 1.14) 2226.9670 1717 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2226.9670 And I was talking with my husband about it, and- 2229.2395 1718 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2229.2395 (pause 0.52) 2229.7594 1719 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2229.7594 and he gave me the idea, he says, what did she do to earn hers? 2233.3357 1720 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2233.3357 (pause 1.15) 2234.4809 1721 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2234.4809 You see, and this is the answer. 2235.8267 1722 DTA_int_08 2236.0679 Mm-hm. 2236.4554 1723 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2236.8234 And I also wanted to tell this man, if I wrote a letter, 2239.7805 1724 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2239.7805 (pause 0.34) 2240.1170 1725 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2240.1170 that would he want somebody to look at his hair or his eyes 2243.4320 1726 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2243.4320 (pause 1.75) 2245.1811 1727 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2245.1811 and just say no? 2246.2424 1728 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2246.2424 (pause 1.31) 2247.5545 1729 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2247.5545 Without even- 2248.3493 1730 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2248.3493 (pause 0.17) 2248.5206 1731 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2248.5206 even 2249.0803 1732 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2249.0803 (pause 0.19) 2249.2730 1733 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2249.2730 probing further. 2250.1966 1734 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2250.1966 (pause 1.83) 2252.0252 1735 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2252.0252 And I think it's very fine when people want to live together and band together. 2255.9367 1736 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2255.9367 (pause 0.55) 2256.4903 1737 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2256.4903 But with Negroes 2257.5439 1738 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2257.5439 (pause 0.21) 2257.7530 1739 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2257.7530 just being the same color isn't enough. 2259.6187 1740 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2259.6187 (pause 1.60) 2261.2179 1741 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2261.2179 Some 2261.5819 1742 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2261.5819 (pause 0.15) 2261.7287 1743 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2261.7287 people are individuals and they want 2263.4777 1744 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2263.4777 (pause 0.66) 2264.1353 1745 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2264.1353 things that are different. 2265.1508 1746 DTA_int_08 2265.4260 [Mm-hm.] 2265.7497 1747 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2265.6248 [And] being the same color 2266.9151 1748 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2267.3219 isn't enough 2268.3648 1749 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2268.3648 (pause 0.76) 2269.1291 1750 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2269.1291 to give people a feeling one oneness. 2271.4107 1751 DTA_int_08 2271.4658 Mm-hm. 2271.7575 1752 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2273.4412 So that's the answer to Mr. /RD-NAME-3/'s letter. 2275.9640 1753 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2275.9640 (pause 1.16) 2277.1202 1754 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2277.1202 He was very [bitter.] 2278.4305 1755 DTA_int_08 2277.2456 [/unintelligible/ /And you'll help me/ /inaudible/.] 2279.7103 1756 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2278.8172 [He was very bitter] about this housing [business.] 2281.8723 1757 DTA_int_08 2281.8203 [Uh-huh.] 2282.2240 1758 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2283.5239 But [I think-] 2284.2840 1759 DTA_int_08 2283.6917 [/Put this up/] on 2284.5220 1760 DTA_int_08 2284.6613 radio tomorrow. 2285.9498 1761 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2286.0498 uh, 2286.5086 1762 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2286.5086 (pause 0.50) 2287.0067 1763 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2287.0067 /RD-NAME-2/ put him back in the playpen. 2288.8510 1764 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2288.8510 (pause 1.03) 2289.8844 1765 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2289.8844 [Uh,] 2290.1138 1766 misc 2290.0342 [But] he'll start [crying.] 2291.3281 1767 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2291.2729 [well] he won't, uh, cry too long. 2293.5053 1768 DTA_int_08 2294.3953 2294.6710 1769 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2295.2914 Uh, 2295.5239 1770 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2295.5239 (pause 0.12) 2295.6467 1771 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2295.6467 it's too bad I didn't get him set up. 2297.1160 1772 DTA_int_08 2297.3249 That's okay. 2298.5092 1773 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2299.8295 Put him back, will you /RD-NAME-2/? 2301.1232 1774 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2301.1232 (pause 0.21) 2301.3343 1775 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2301.3343 And then I'll take care of him. /Alright/? 2303.0134 1776 DTA_int_08 2305.4747 2306.0044 1777 DTA_int_08 2306.0044 (pause 0.83) 2306.8388 1778 DTA_int_08 2306.8388 Alright. 2307.1140 1779 DTA_int_08 2307.1140 (pause 0.47) 2307.5820 1780 DTA_int_08 2307.5820 And, uh, 2307.9266 1781 DTA_int_08 2307.9266 (pause 0.18) 2308.1076 1782 DTA_int_08 2308.1076 have you ever been in the hospital? 2309.5207 1783 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2309.9742 Just to have babies. 2311.0170 1784 DTA_int_08 2311.2342 Uh-huh. 2311.5003 1785 DTA_int_08 2311.5003 (pause 0.29) 2311.7939 1786 DTA_int_08 2311.7939 Uh, can you recall the worst illness you ever had? 2313.9681 1787 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2314.3106 Strep throat in nineteen fifty. 2316.0050 1788 DTA_int_08 2316.3476 Can you tell me what happened? 2317.5767 1789 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2319.3751 I had just started to teach school [and I] guess, um, 2322.7509 1790 DTA_int_08 2321.3016 [Mm-hm.] 2321.5570 1791 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2322.8763 using my voice 2324.0538 1792 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2324.0538 (pause 0.87) 2324.9286 1793 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2324.9286 too much made it the weakest part of my body. 2327.5983 1794 DTA_int_08 2327.7175 Mm-hm. 2328.0441 1795 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2328.5831 And I had a very serious throat infection, which was strep throat, and I was really sick. I have never been this sick. 2335.2189 1796 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2335.2189 (pause 0.50) 2335.7143 1797 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2335.7143 I had 2336.0141 1798 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2336.0141 (pause 0.32) 2336.3352 1799 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2336.3352 fever and chills at the same time. 2338.3504 1800 DTA_int_08 2338.8612 Mm-hm. 2339.2312 1801 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2339.4667 And I was sick for about a week. 2340.8025 1802 DTA_int_08 2341.0653 Uh-huh. 2341.3759 1803 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2341.9346 I was not in the hospital, I went for medication and 2344.6226 1804 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2344.6226 (pause 0.28) 2344.9009 1805 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2344.9009 I was given an antibiotic. 2346.4695 1806 DTA_int_08 2346.9528 Mm-hm. 2347.2678 1807 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2347.4177 Which caused my face to break out in fever blisters. 2351.3680 1808 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2351.3680 (pause 0.48) 2351.8521 1809 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2351.8521 But I was 2352.4604 1810 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2352.4604 (pause 0.28) 2352.7417 1811 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2352.7417 just miserable. 2354.0043 1812 DTA_int_08 2354.1548 Mm-hm. 2354.5401 1813 DTA_int_08 2354.5401 (pause 1.02) 2355.5582 1814 DTA_int_08 2355.5582 Mm-hm. 2355.8733 1815 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2356.1179 Other than that I haven't been ill. 2357.9622 1816 DTA_int_08 2358.1488 Mm-hm. 2358.3839 1817 DTA_int_08 2358.3839 (pause 0.45) 2358.8365 1818 DTA_int_08 2358.8365 Have you ever been- excuse me, 2360.0118 1819 DTA_int_08 2360.0118 (pause 0.18) 2360.1884 1820 DTA_int_08 2360.1884 car accident? 2360.8643 1821 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2361.2375 Pardon me? 2361.5643 1822 DTA_int_08 2361.8457 Have you ever been in a car accident? 2363.4545 1823 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2363.9622 No. 2364.3694 1824 DTA_int_08 2364.5857 Mm-hm. 2364.8383 1825 DTA_int_08 2364.8383 (pause 0.20) 2365.0384 1826 DTA_int_08 2365.0384 Have you seen any bad one? 2366.4178 1827 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2367.0876 No. 2367.4822 1828 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2367.4822 (pause 0.87) 2368.3534 1829 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2368.3534 Thankfully. 2368.9529 1830 DTA_int_08 2369.2924 Have you ever been in a situation where you thought you were gonna get killed or die? 2373.1488 1831 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2373.6958 No. 2374.0323 1832 DTA_int_08 2374.9376 Ever dream about dying? 2376.0377 1833 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2377.2433 Yes, I think so. 2378.4115 1834 DTA_int_08 2379.6744 Can you tell me what you dreamt? 2380.7388 1835 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2381.0049 No, it's- 2381.9163 1836 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2381.9163 (pause 0.64) 2382.5586 1837 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2382.5586 /or it/- 2383.1210 1838 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2383.1210 (pause 0.42) 2383.5400 1839 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2383.5400 probably being in tense situations, feeling that harm will come to you or that you are going to be harmed, 2388.9069 1840 DTA_int_08 2388.9558 Mm-hm. 2389.2838 1841 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2389.9376 and, um, 2390.9564 1842 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2390.9564 (pause 1.09) 2392.0476 1843 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2392.0476 running to get away. Maybe 2393.9194 1844 DTA_int_08 2394.8151 Mm-hm. 2395.1257 1845 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2395.3290 from a group or from people who are going to harm you. 2398.5736 1846 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2398.5736 (pause 1.09) 2399.6625 1847 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2399.6625 Being 2400.3292 1848 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2400.3292 (pause 0.34) 2400.6683 1849 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2400.6683 somewhere and not being able to handle the situation. I can't remember specifically. 2405.2832 1850 DTA_int_08 2405.4790 Mkay. 2405.8185 1851 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2406.2069 But, uh, 2406.9314 1852 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2406.9314 (pause 0.15) 2407.0782 1853 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2407.0782 always relieved upon awaking. 2409.0815 1854 DTA_int_08 2409.2161 Uh-huh. 2409.4759 1855 DTA_int_08 2409.4759 (pause 0.48) 2409.9589 1856 DTA_int_08 2409.9589 And, uh, 2410.4973 1857 DTA_int_08 2410.4973 (pause 0.34) 2410.8336 1858 DTA_int_08 2410.8336 it- sometimes 2411.5983 1859 DTA_int_08 2411.5983 (pause 0.18) 2411.7787 1860 DTA_int_08 2411.7787 when people talk about fate, 2413.3333 1861 DTA_int_08 2413.3333 (pause 0.27) 2413.6042 1862 DTA_int_08 2413.6042 something's gonna happen to you, 2414.8215 1863 DTA_int_08 2414.8215 (pause 0.20) 2415.0182 1864 DTA_int_08 2415.0182 it's gonna happen regardless. 2416.2892 1865 DTA_int_08 2416.2892 (pause 0.39) 2416.6807 1866 DTA_int_08 2416.6807 What do you think about that? 2417.5950 1867 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2420.3444 That maybe this is true. 2421.5342 1868 DTA_int_08 2421.9252 Mm-hm. 2422.1502 1869 DTA_int_08 2422.1502 (pause 0.29) 2422.4421 1870 DTA_int_08 2422.4421 Did you ever have any incidents that made you feel this way? 2424.7743 1871 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2425.6195 No, but I'm beginning to think that, uh, 2427.8121 1872 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2427.8121 (pause 1.87) 2429.6839 1873 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2429.6839 as human beings maybe we don't have as much control over our lives [as we] would like. 2434.9590 1874 DTA_int_08 2433.9069 [Mm-hm.] 2434.1957 1875 DTA_int_08 2435.2740 Mm-hm. 2435.5952 1876 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2437.0445 And I guess maybe I'm a pessimist. When I look at all of the misery in the world, I wonder why it was ever 2443.0935 1877 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2443.0935 (pause 0.25) 2443.3412 1878 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2443.3412 created. 2443.9162 1879 DTA_int_08 2444.0691 Mm-hm. 2444.3322 1880 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2444.8460 The harm that comes to little children 2446.9605 1881 DTA_int_08 2447.1058 Mm-hm. 2447.4361 1882 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2448.3659 they are born here 2449.6012 1883 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2449.6012 (pause 1.21) 2450.8154 1884 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2450.8154 and 2451.3869 1885 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2451.3869 (pause 0.13) 2451.5184 1886 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2451.5184 in some countries the parents are helpless. 2454.0356 1887 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2454.0356 (pause 0.21) 2454.2436 1888 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2454.2436 Not able to provide for their needs. 2456.5371 1889 DTA_int_08 2456.8796 [Mm-hm.] 2457.1583 1890 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2457.0937 [Not] able to protect them from war. 2459.2190 1891 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2460.7172 And 2461.3595 1892 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2461.3595 (pause 0.92) 2462.2802 1893 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2462.2802 it seems so unfair 2463.5005 1894 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2463.5005 (pause 0.26) 2463.7631 1895 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2463.7631 that children who can't handle their 2466.6290 1896 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2466.6290 (pause 0.21) 2466.8365 1897 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2466.8365 needs 2467.3871 1898 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2467.3871 (pause 0.43) 2467.8214 1899 DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 2467.8214 would be in situations like [this.] 2469.7050 1900 DTA_int_08 2469.6622 [Mm-hm.] 2470.1057