Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 DTA_int_01 0.5720 Um. 0.9015 2 DTA_int_01 0.9015 (pause 0.38) 1.2838 3 DTA_int_01 1.2838 When you were a child, can you remember some of the games you used to play 3.7551 4 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 4.2705 [Oh, certainly.] 5.2896 5 DTA_int_01 4.2982 [/inaudible/] 5.2868 6 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 6.4700 Well, 6.9704 7 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 6.9704 (pause 0.38) 7.3548 8 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 7.3548 uh, as a child, I lived in 9.8912 9 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 9.8912 (pause 0.23) 10.1170 10 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 10.1170 New Orleans. 11.0140 11 DTA_int_01 11.1177 Mm-hm. 11.3313 12 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 11.8624 And, um, 12.7777 13 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 12.7777 (pause 1.23) 14.0064 14 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 14.0064 at that time 15.0804 15 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 15.0804 (pause 0.69) 15.7700 16 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 15.7700 there was, uh, very little organized recreation. 19.2359 17 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 19.2359 (pause 0.54) 19.7729 18 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 19.7729 We played uh 20.9933 19 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 20.9933 (pause 0.30) 21.2923 20 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 21.2923 with the neighbors, 22.3907 21 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 22.3907 (pause 0.47) 22.8637 22 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 22.8637 on the corners, in the backyards, thing like that. 26.0856 23 DTA_int_01 26.3925 Uh-huh. 26.6492 24 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 27.5030 Uh. 28.1804 25 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 28.1804 (pause 1.08) 29.2644 26 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 29.2644 We made 30.2103 27 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 30.2103 (pause 0.38) 30.5947 28 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 30.5947 many of our toys. 31.9738 29 DTA_int_01 32.3412 Oh yeah? 32.6646 30 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 33.0735 Like um, 34.0437 31 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 34.0437 (pause 1.30) 35.3402 32 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 35.3402 well these are things you- you- you've never heard of before like a pop gun for example. 39.8335 33 DTA_int_01 40.0837 Oh. 40.3339 34 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 40.5902 There's a tree called a China Ball Tree that grows in uh, 45.0907 35 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 45.0907 (pause 0.16) 45.2543 36 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 45.2543 the south. 45.8441 37 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 45.8441 (pause 1.30) 47.1446 38 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 47.1446 It has a green berry that, uh, grows in clusters like grapes. 51.3322 39 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 51.3322 (pause 1.27) 52.6035 40 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 52.6035 Then there's a- uh, 54.6355 41 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 54.6355 (pause 0.97) 55.6094 42 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 55.6094 uh, a type- a species of bamboo. 58.1906 43 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 58.1906 (pause 0.74) 58.9268 44 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 58.9268 Uh, which is called 60.3364 45 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 60.3364 (pause 0.38) 60.7209 46 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 60.7209 cane reed, 61.5813 47 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 61.5813 (pause 0.46) 62.0381 48 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 62.0381 locally. 62.6971 49 DTA_int_01 63.0205 Mm-hm. 63.2890 50 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 63.9786 Uh. The boys 65.5712 51 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 65.5712 (pause 0.37) 65.9435 52 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 65.9435 would uh 66.7245 53 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 66.7245 (pause 0.80) 67.5265 54 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 67.5265 mm, 67.7706 55 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 67.7706 (pause 0.36) 68.1347 56 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 68.1347 cut the cane reed off 69.8310 57 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 69.8310 (pause 0.63) 70.4657 58 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 70.4657 and they would separate it between the nodes 73.5299 59 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 73.5299 (pause 0.69) 74.2218 60 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 74.2218 so that they- uh, the joints were- 76.7480 61 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 76.7480 (pause 0.18) 76.9311 62 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 76.9311 were severed. 77.5657 63 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 77.5657 (pause 0.21) 77.7732 64 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 77.7732 And they had the straight 79.0730 65 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 79.0730 (pause 0.34) 79.4147 66 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 79.4147 tube. 79.8784 67 DTA_int_01 80.5498 Oh I see. [Yeah.] 81.4322 68 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 80.9830 [Yeah.] Now, you had to get when it was green. 83.6863 69 DTA_int_01 84.0155 Uh-huh. 84.2901 70 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 85.1261 And it has a pith inside. 87.2558 71 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 87.2558 (pause 0.85) 88.1015 72 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 88.1015 Well, 88.5103 73 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 88.5103 (pause 0.31) 88.8158 74 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 88.8158 uh- i- you would jus- take a- a stick. 91.6630 75 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 91.6630 (pause 0.71) 92.3731 76 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 92.3731 Ordinary pines, piece of pine wood 94.5942 77 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 94.5942 (pause 0.48) 95.0759 78 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 95.0759 and you would make it round 96.6137 79 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 96.6137 (pause 0.83) 97.4411 80 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 97.4411 and uh 98.5517 81 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 98.5517 (pause 0.15) 98.7043 82 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 98.7043 tap it at the ends until it became fibrous. 101.9811 83 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 101.9811 (pause 0.66) 102.6435 84 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 102.6435 And it would make a sponge that would uh 105.0027 85 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 105.0027 (pause 0.51) 105.5092 86 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 105.5092 take up the diameter of the uh 107.9073 87 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 107.9073 (pause 0.77) 108.6806 88 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 108.6806 of the inside of the 110.2245 89 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 110.2245 (pause 0.70) 110.9290 90 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 110.9290 bamboo, 111.5758 91 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 111.5758 (pause 0.81) 112.3874 92 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 112.3874 uh, 113.0220 93 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 113.0220 (pause 0.73) 113.7542 94 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 113.7542 section. 114.2729 95 DTA_int_01 114.5536 Okay. 115.0845 96 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 115.3487 Now, uh, the diameter of this was of course 118.0704 97 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 118.0704 (pause 0.32) 118.3877 98 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 118.3877 rather small in- in 120.2672 99 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 120.2672 (pause 0.59) 120.8598 100 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 120.8598 uh 121.4425 101 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 121.4425 (pause 0.11) 121.5554 102 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 121.5554 contrast to the regular bamboo poles that you think of, you see, it was a very small diameter thing. 126.8521 103 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 126.8521 (pause 0.35) 127.2036 104 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 127.2036 And you had to get it while it was green. I mean , when it- uh, when it turned yellow, it was too dry, then it would split. 132.9269 105 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 132.9269 (pause 1.39) 134.3148 106 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 134.3148 Then on the other end, an ordinary, 136.6963 107 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 136.6963 (pause 0.43) 137.1235 108 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 137.1235 um, 137.6239 109 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 137.6239 (pause 0.75) 138.3778 110 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 138.3778 spool from thread. 139.9521 111 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 139.9521 (pause 0.87) 140.8184 112 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 140.8184 I- you put the- the stick into 143.7449 113 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 143.7449 (pause 0.36) 144.1050 114 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 144.1050 the hole in the spool to make a handle at this end. 147.2027 115 DTA_int_01 147.3614 Mm-hm. 147.6299 116 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 147.8068 And a sponge at the other end. 149.5022 117 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 149.5022 (pause 1.18) 150.6860 118 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 150.6860 then, you would take the China Balls, cut them in half. 154.0488 119 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 154.0488 (pause 0.59) 154.6407 120 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 154.6407 Insert the first half 156.2639 121 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 156.2639 (pause 0.67) 156.9310 122 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 156.9310 into the- one end of the tube 158.7799 123 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 158.7799 (pause 0.38) 159.1644 124 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 159.1644 and push it through. 160.1956 125 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 160.1956 (pause 0.92) 161.1187 126 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 161.1187 then you would 161.6374 127 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 161.6374 (pause 0.27) 161.9120 128 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 161.9120 insert the other half of the China Ball that- 164.5727 129 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 164.5727 (pause 0.13) 164.7008 130 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 164.7008 into that same end 166.0738 131 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 166.0738 (pause 1.07) 167.1427 132 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 167.1427 and push it in. 168.3143 133 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 168.3143 (pause 0.95) 169.2644 134 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 169.2644 Well, what happened was that 170.5276 135 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 170.5276 (pause 0.34) 170.8632 136 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 170.8632 the air between the- 172.6511 137 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 172.6511 (pause 0.19) 172.8422 138 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 172.8422 the two pieces of this China berry 175.2260 139 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 175.2260 (pause 0.40) 175.6287 140 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 175.6287 would compress. 176.6722 141 DTA_int_01 176.8277 Mm, oh. 177.4797 142 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 179.0480 So 179.3958 143 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 179.3958 (pause 0.79) 180.1830 144 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 180.1830 that 180.3844 145 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 180.3844 (pause 1.24) 181.6217 146 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 181.6217 when you, um, 182.5920 147 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 182.5920 (pause 0.93) 183.5256 148 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 183.5256 gave the- the spool on this end a 186.7248 149 DTA_int_01 187.0543 [] 187.5302 150 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 187.1972 [a b-] 187.5389 151 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 188.3072 a blow then it would compress the air and the first 191.4010 152 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 191.4010 (pause 0.31) 191.7061 153 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 191.7061 section wou- would shoot out with a reasonable force. 195.1768 154 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 195.1768 (pause 0.59) 195.7694 155 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 195.7694 Well, that was a pop gun. 197.0020 156 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 197.0020 (pause 1.23) 198.2336 157 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 198.2336 Then we had rubber guns. 199.9654 158 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 199.9654 (pause 0.21) 200.1785 159 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 200.1785 /Uh/, 200.6989 160 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 200.6989 (pause 0.52) 201.2215 161 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 201.2215 cut off a 201.8867 162 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 201.8867 (pause 0.81) 202.6925 163 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 202.6925 um, 203.3393 164 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 203.3393 (pause 0.77) 204.1049 165 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 204.1049 sections of an inner tube. 205.6427 166 DTA_int_01 205.8502 Mm-hm. 206.1064 167 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 206.7350 And uh, i- we had a- a notched stick, a stick with notches in it and a string on it. 212.3645 168 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 212.3645 (pause 0.81) 213.1740 169 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 213.1740 Well, you'd stretch the, uh, 214.7544 170 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 214.7544 (pause 0.35) 215.1023 171 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 215.1023 string across the notches. 217.0244 172 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 217.0244 (pause 0.97) 217.9944 173 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 217.9944 And uh stretch the rubber bands 220.3132 174 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 220.3132 (pause 0.20) 220.5153 175 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 220.5153 the- from the inner tube to each notch. One to each notch. 224.6230 176 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 224.6230 (pause 0.43) 225.0538 177 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 225.0538 And then as you pull the string progressively, it would 228.2399 178 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 228.2399 (pause 0.58) 228.8196 179 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 228.8196 shoot the rubber bands off. Well that was a rubber band gun. 232.5716 180 DTA_int_01 232.8328 233.4442 181 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 234.2593 Uh. As far as games were concerned, 237.0785 182 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 237.0785 (pause 0.70) 237.7776 183 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 237.7776 we played t- tag and all, like everyone else. 241.4633 184 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 241.4633 (pause 0.50) 241.9670 185 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 241.9670 But there was a g- game that was especially popular called kick the stick. 246.4370 186 DTA_int_01 246.7939 Mm-hm. 247.0563 187 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 247.2088 It was a variation of baseball. 249.9915 188 DTA_int_01 250.1379 Oh. 250.3881 189 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 250.5834 Uh, you'd put a stick on, um, 252.6276 190 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 252.6276 (pause 0.52) 253.1487 191 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 253.1487 two p- 253.5270 192 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 253.5270 (pause 0.48) 254.0091 193 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 254.0091 two bricks 254.9000 194 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 254.9000 (pause 0.74) 255.6434 195 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 255.6434 and, uh, you'd kick it and you'd, uh, make it to the bases. And the object was to make 261.0249 196 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 261.0249 (pause 0.52) 261.5436 197 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 261.5436 to the base before the man who 264.0612 198 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 264.0612 (pause 0.32) 264.3846 199 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 264.3846 roughly approximated the pitcher 266.4472 200 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 266.4472 (pause 0.90) 267.3520 201 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 267.3520 could retrieve the stick 268.4321 202 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 268.4321 (pause 0.49) 268.9236 203 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 268.9236 and put it back on the two bricks it was kicked from. 271.7086 204 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 271.7086 (pause 0.58) 272.2883 205 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 272.2883 Well, if- if he got it back before you got to base, you're out and so forth. 276.3985 206 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 276.3985 (pause 1.65) 278.0471 207 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 278.0471 Um, 278.8526 208 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 278.8526 (pause 1.47) 280.3232 209 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 280.3232 we also played uh 281.9148 210 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 281.9148 (pause 1.43) 283.3420 211 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 283.3420 a game called uh 285.2039 212 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 285.2039 (pause 1.85) 287.0576 213 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 287.0576 stick up. 287.8082 214 DTA_int_01 288.7206 How'd you play that? 289.2942 215 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 289.4833 Now this 290.2156 216 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 290.2156 (pause 0.92) 291.1318 217 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 291.1318 w- uh, you see there was very little paving 293.7862 218 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 293.7862 (pause 0.45) 294.2378 219 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 294.2378 in uh, New Orleans at this time. 296.3740 220 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 296.3740 (pause 0.63) 297.0026 221 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 297.0026 And wherever we could find a convenient mud hole, 300.2440 222 DTA_int_01 300.6040 301.1532 223 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 301.1715 we used broom sticks, were about eighteen inches long. 304.8212 224 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 304.8212 (pause 0.71) 305.5352 225 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 305.5352 And you'd throw your stick down into the 308.1095 226 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 308.1095 (pause 0.38) 308.4878 227 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 308.4878 mud 309.0309 228 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 309.0309 (pause 0.75) 309.7814 229 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 309.7814 and if you could manage to knock the other fellow's stick down, 314.0798 230 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 314.0798 (pause 1.36) 315.4405 231 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 315.4405 then, uh, 316.2760 232 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 316.2760 (pause 1.09) 317.3682 233 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 317.3682 you were allowed to pick his stick up 319.6303 234 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 319.6303 (pause 0.51) 320.1429 235 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 320.1429 and knock it as far as you could 322.2359 236 DTA_int_01 322.5217 Mm-hm. 322.7902 237 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 322.8634 and while he was retrieving his stick, 325.1826 238 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 325.1826 (pause 0.35) 325.5362 239 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 325.5362 you had to stick your stick in the mud three times. 328.8871 240 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 328.8871 (pause 0.64) 329.5276 241 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 329.5276 You see. 329.9853 242 DTA_int_01 330.0707 [Mm-hm.] 330.3225 243 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 330.3042 [If] you failed to to that, then he could 333.3532 244 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 333.5912 take your stick 334.4272 245 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 334.4272 (pause 0.64) 335.0681 246 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 335.0681 and knock it away. 336.2153 247 DTA_int_01 336.3871 [Oh.] 336.8265 248 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 336.4166 [You see.] 336.8668 249 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 338.0957 Uh. 338.8707 250 DTA_int_01 341.0311 Do you have a winner in that game or? 342.3857 251 DTA_int_01 342.3857 (pause 0.38) 342.7619 252 DTA_int_01 342.7619 How did you? 343.2440 253 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 343.6772 It was just a time passing game, there were no scores. 347.0992 254 DTA_int_01 347.1964 Uh-huh. 347.5122 255 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 347.5935 You just played the game to- to do something. Just to have something to do. 351.9760 256 DTA_int_01 352.2042 Uh-huh. 352.4239 257 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 352.8402 Because uh 353.8959 258 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 353.8959 (pause 0.33) 354.2240 259 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 354.2240 playgrounds and swings, 356.1340 260 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 356.1340 (pause 0.93) 357.0598 261 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 357.0598 seesaws, things like that, were just not available to 360.8126 262 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 360.8126 (pause 0.31) 361.1177 263 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 361.1177 children in 361.7707 264 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 361.7707 (pause 0.74) 362.5061 265 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 362.5061 the section of the city that I lived in and, uh, 365.2354 266 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 365.2354 (pause 0.64) 365.8761 267 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 365.8761 so we just had to make up our games. 367.8770 268 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 367.8770 (pause 0.58) 368.4567 269 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 368.4567 We made kites too. 369.8602 270 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 369.8602 (pause 0.55) 370.4123 271 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 370.4123 And they are the most interesting. 372.4626 272 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 372.4626 (pause 0.75) 373.2137 273 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 373.2137 Uh. The kites there 374.9711 274 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 374.9711 (pause 0.22) 375.1908 275 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 375.1908 are made a special way 377.0520 276 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 377.0520 (pause 0.45) 377.4975 277 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 377.4975 because 378.1443 278 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 378.1443 (pause 1.18) 379.3281 279 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 379.3281 uh, you have a doldrums, uh, times where there's very little air, 383.4537 280 DTA_int_01 383.7100 Oh. 384.0489 281 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 384.0611 very little circulation of air. 385.5805 282 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 385.5805 (pause 0.29) 385.8702 283 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 385.8702 Uh like here. 387.3347 284 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 387.3347 (pause 1.00) 388.3355 285 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 388.3355 Uh. 388.9157 286 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 388.9157 (pause 0.68) 389.5931 287 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 389.5931 So that 390.1467 288 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 390.1467 (pause 0.24) 390.3847 289 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 390.3847 the- the kites were made out of, um, 393.2527 290 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 393.2527 (pause 0.42) 393.6716 291 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 393.6716 cypress wood 394.8363 292 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 394.8363 (pause 0.18) 395.0127 293 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 395.0127 and you had to find a piece of cypress wood. It split very easily and it was a very straight grain. 400.9472 294 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 400.9472 (pause 1.39) 402.3385 295 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 402.3385 Uh. 403.0524 296 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 403.0524 (pause 0.59) 403.6381 297 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 403.6381 The kites usually had 405.2674 298 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 405.2674 (pause 0.37) 405.6402 299 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 405.6402 three sticks, two across in an X 408.4280 300 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 408.4280 (pause 0.40) 408.8247 301 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 408.8247 and then one th- um, 410.5644 302 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 410.5644 (pause 0.19) 410.7497 303 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 410.7497 horizontal stick so that you had a 412.9196 304 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 412.9196 (pause 0.48) 413.4017 305 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 413.4017 six sided 414.4313 306 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 414.4313 (pause 0.25) 414.6783 307 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 414.6783 kite. 415.1360 308 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 415.1360 (pause 0.48) 415.6119 309 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 415.6119 And you varied the shape by 417.4609 310 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 417.4609 (pause 0.38) 417.8418 311 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 417.8418 uh the amount of um 419.4344 312 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 419.4344 (pause 0.66) 420.0902 313 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 420.0902 of, uh, the length 421.4876 314 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 421.4876 (pause 0.52) 422.0060 315 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 422.0060 below the intersection. You could have it 424.6422 316 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 424.6422 (pause 0.50) 425.1401 317 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 425.1401 so that the, um, 426.2995 318 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 426.2995 (pause 0.39) 426.6898 319 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 426.6898 kite would- would be an- an- uh an 429.6403 320 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 429.6403 (pause 0.11) 429.7530 321 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 429.7530 even /octangul/ 431.2054 322 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 431.2054 (pause 0.32) 431.5297 323 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 431.5297 octangular kite 432.8173 324 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 432.8173 (pause 0.42) 433.2383 325 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 433.2383 or it could be an elongated kite. 436.3371 326 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 436.3371 (pause 1.08) 437.4172 327 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 437.4172 And uh 438.2715 328 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 438.2715 (pause 0.89) 439.1624 329 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 439.1624 it was made with thread 440.5393 330 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 440.5393 (pause 0.60) 441.1434 331 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 441.1434 and um tissue paper. 443.0412 332 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 443.0412 (pause 0.90) 443.9444 333 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 443.9444 And paper 444.9818 334 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 444.9818 (pause 0.47) 445.4516 335 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 445.4516 with paste 446.2815 336 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 446.2815 (pause 0.34) 446.6223 337 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 446.6223 wa- flour and water paste 448.3859 338 DTA_int_01 448.8008 Uh-huh. 449.0876 339 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 449.1547 and you could make them in various colors, 451.5622 340 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 451.5622 (pause 0.30) 451.8641 341 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 451.8641 and, uh, 452.5598 342 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 452.5598 (pause 0.64) 453.1973 343 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 453.1973 decorate them. 454.0638 344 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 454.0638 (pause 0.98) 455.0401 345 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 455.0401 And you had to fly them with thread. You couldn't use the kite string. It would never go up, I mean the kites that you see now are absolutely too heavy 463.5806 346 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 463.5806 (pause 0.51) 464.0932 347 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 464.0932 for that part of the country. They just wouldn't [fly.] 466.7031 348 DTA_int_01 466.1031 [What kid of paper] did you use again? 467.2828 349 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 467.4659 Tiss- tissue paper. Um. 469.0402 350 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 469.0402 (pause 0.61) 469.6505 351 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 469.6505 Uh. 470.2973 352 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 470.2973 (pause 0.55) 470.8465 353 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 470.8465 You know, the kind of paper you used for gift wrapping. 473.4359 354 DTA_int_01 473.5030 Oh yeah. 473.9973 355 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 474.0705 Only you could get it in colors. You could get any color 477.0294 356 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 477.0294 (pause 0.21) 477.2369 357 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 477.2369 you wanted and then you 478.5305 358 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 478.5305 (pause 0.45) 478.9821 359 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 478.9821 could paste uh, two different colors together 481.6636 360 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 481.6636 (pause 0.60) 482.2617 361 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 482.2617 [and he-] 483.1270 362 DTA_int_01 482.2666 [Was it uh, one] thickness then? 483.6396 363 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 483.9886 Oh yes. Just one thickness. 485.5995 364 DTA_int_01 485.7438 [Hm.] 486.1832 365 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 485.7482 [Mm-hm.] 486.1875 366 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 486.4029 That was the whole idea, to make the kite 488.2335 367 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 488.2335 (pause 0.34) 488.5770 368 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 488.5770 as light as possible 490.0781 369 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 490.0781 (pause 0.50) 490.5785 370 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 490.5785 because you had so little 492.1780 371 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 492.1780 (pause 0.45) 492.6308 372 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 492.6308 air 493.0384 373 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 493.0384 (pause 0.35) 493.3862 374 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 493.3862 to- to get it up. And it was a real trick to even get that 496.6674 375 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 496.6674 (pause 0.18) 496.8443 376 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 496.8443 little thing up, 497.6620 377 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 497.6620 (pause 0.25) 497.9077 378 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 497.9077 you [see.] 498.4111 379 DTA_int_01 498.1321 [Huh.] 498.3182 380 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 499.7856 Uh. 500.4629 381 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 500.4629 (pause 0.71) 501.1728 382 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 501.1728 So those were um, 502.6434 383 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 502.6434 (pause 0.50) 503.1424 384 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 503.1424 those were some of the things we did for recreation. 506.1089 385 DTA_int_01 508.6811 Sounds real interesting. 509.7003 386 DTA_int_01 509.7003 (pause 0.74) 510.4387 387 DTA_int_01 510.4387 Um. 510.7865 388 DTA_int_01 510.7865 (pause 0.57) 511.3566 389 DTA_int_01 511.3566 What are your favorite TV programs now? 513.2604 390 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 516.1817 Well, actually, my favorite program comes- comes on between uh, six thirty and seven o'clock in the morning. 523.7207 391 DTA_int_01 523.9038 Uh-huh. 524.1784 392 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 524.5891 [That's] um. 525.6251 393 DTA_int_01 524.5922 [/inaudible/] 524.9797 394 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 526.6686 The, um, 527.4741 395 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 527.4741 (pause 1.51) 528.9856 396 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 528.9856 I think it's called the Sunrise Semester 531.2312 397 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 531.2312 (pause 0.38) 531.6112 398 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 531.6112 and the University of Michigan has a program, Channel Four 535.9428 399 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 535.9428 (pause 0.48) 536.4188 400 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 536.4188 and Channel Two. 537.5840 401 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 537.5840 (pause 0.31) 537.8891 402 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 537.8891 Uh, have programs both at that time of the morning. 540.3727 403 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 540.3727 (pause 0.29) 540.6656 404 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 540.6656 I'm the first one up, I'm down here by myself. 543.2630 405 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 543.2630 (pause 0.65) 543.9159 406 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 543.9159 And I'm getting my breakfast and I listen to this program and then to the news, and it's time to go to work then. 549.5852 407 DTA_int_01 549.7549 Mm-hm. 550.0051 408 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 551.2682 But they have had such a variety 554.0931 409 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 554.0931 (pause 0.22) 554.3159 410 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 554.3159 of 554.6454 411 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 554.6454 (pause 0.11) 554.7522 412 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 554.7522 programs and 555.7127 413 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 555.7127 (pause 0.59) 556.3046 414 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 556.3046 uh, they're all educational programs without commercials. 559.9095 415 DTA_int_01 560.0843 Hm. 560.3162 416 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 560.5484 F- uh straight through from six thirty to seven. 563.4954 417 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 563.4954 (pause 0.84) 564.3353 418 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 564.3353 And, um, I found them to be 566.7945 419 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 566.7945 (pause 0.18) 566.9721 420 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 566.9721 most instructive and very interesting. 568.9431 421 DTA_int_01 568.9431 Mm-hm. 569.3825 422 DTA_int_01 569.3825 (pause 1.36) 570.7407 423 DTA_int_01 570.7407 Do you have a pet in the family here? 572.2906 424 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 572.5530 [No.] No, we don't have any pets. 574.2616 425 DTA_int_01 574.4874 Do you remember when you were a boy 575.6102 426 DTA_int_01 575.6102 (pause 0.25) 575.8570 427 DTA_int_01 575.8570 did you have a pet? 576.4245 428 DTA_int_01 576.4245 (pause 0.68) 577.1018 429 DTA_int_01 577.1018 No? 577.4619 430 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 577.8768 Yes, a, uh, 579.5305 431 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 579.5305 (pause 0.36) 579.8914 432 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 579.8914 uh. We did have. 581.5695 433 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 581.5695 (pause 0.97) 582.5397 434 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 582.5397 We had dogs. 583.8212 435 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 583.8212 (pause 1.39) 585.2124 436 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 585.2124 And uh, they were mostly 586.9637 437 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 586.9637 (pause 0.21) 587.1773 438 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 587.1773 poodles. Long haired 589.3619 439 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 589.3619 (pause 0.48) 589.8407 440 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 589.8407 dogs, very difficult to care for. 592.0800 441 DTA_int_01 592.1258 Mm-hm. 592.3363 442 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 592.4889 I had to wash them and they hated water. 594.6922 443 DTA_int_01 594.8417 595.1490 444 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 595.9104 And uh, one time I had uh, rabbits. 598.8760 445 DTA_int_01 599.3110 Oh. 599.5751 446 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 602.1304 Those were the only, uh, pets we ever had. 604.4125 447 DTA_int_01 604.7981 I see. 605.2697 448 DTA_int_01 605.2697 (pause 1.00) 606.2704 449 DTA_int_01 606.2704 Um. 606.6182 450 DTA_int_01 606.6182 (pause 0.45) 607.0637 451 DTA_int_01 607.0637 You remember 607.6861 452 DTA_int_01 607.6861 (pause 0.79) 608.4755 453 DTA_int_01 608.4755 any ways that you used to 609.9495 454 DTA_int_01 609.9495 (pause 0.19) 610.1436 455 DTA_int_01 610.1436 kind of pretend that you could get a wish? 611.7230 456 DTA_int_01 611.7230 (pause 1.67) 613.3889 457 DTA_int_01 613.3889 Uh. You know 614.0906 458 DTA_int_01 614.0906 (pause 0.41) 614.5026 459 DTA_int_01 614.5026 if 614.6674 460 DTA_int_01 614.6674 (pause 0.74) 615.4121 461 DTA_int_01 615.4121 say, some people say if an eyelash falls off, they 617.7675 462 DTA_int_01 617.7675 (pause 0.24) 618.0116 463 DTA_int_01 618.0116 put it on their thumb, make a wish and then they blow it away? 620.5038 464 DTA_int_01 620.5038 (pause 1.06) 621.5642 465 DTA_int_01 621.5642 And then their wish will probably come true. 623.8403 466 DTA_int_01 623.8403 (pause 0.80) 624.6425 467 DTA_int_01 624.6425 Any other ways like this? 625.6921 468 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 626.7700 Well, it's a long time since I thought about that, but I think 630.0721 469 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 630.0721 (pause 0.18) 630.2510 470 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 630.2510 the- um, 631.1586 471 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 631.1586 (pause 0.64) 631.7946 472 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 631.7946 the 632.1729 473 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 632.1729 (pause 0.49) 632.6611 474 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 632.6611 dandelions 634.1073 475 DTA_int_01 634.7019 Hm. 634.9581 476 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 635.2123 The dandelion seeds was, uh, a wishing device. 638.5740 477 DTA_int_01 638.7343 Mm-hm. 638.8929 478 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 638.8929 when I was a kid. You'd- 639.7639 479 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 640.0690 You'd blow them 641.0551 480 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 641.0551 (pause 0.25) 641.3053 481 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 641.3053 and you'd make a wish. 642.3854 482 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 642.3854 (pause 0.20) 642.5832 483 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 642.5832 Now as- as I remember it, it's been a long time as I said [since I] thought about that, but that I think is 648.2038 484 DTA_int_01 646.0366 [Oh.] 646.3173 485 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 648.4845 I think the kids do that now. 649.9561 486 DTA_int_01 650.1452 Uh-huh. 650.3598 487 DTA_int_01 650.3598 (pause 1.34) 651.6962 488 DTA_int_01 651.6962 Are there any other ways like this? 652.7457 489 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 656.5143 No. I ca- I can't think of anything like that about wishing. 659.9179 490 DTA_int_01 660.2413 Uh-huh. 660.5159 491 DTA_int_01 660.5159 (pause 0.85) 661.3654 492 DTA_int_01 661.3654 Um. 661.8048 493 DTA_int_01 661.8048 (pause 1.07) 662.8788 494 DTA_int_01 662.8788 From your, let's say from your elementary school days, 665.0936 495 DTA_int_01 665.0936 (pause 0.58) 665.6733 496 DTA_int_01 665.6733 uh, what are some the things that you studied? 667.5531 497 DTA_int_01 667.5531 (pause 0.26) 667.8122 498 DTA_int_01 667.8122 What are some of the subjects that you had? 669.2340 499 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 669.8076 In elementary [school?] 670.8992 500 DTA_int_01 670.7660 [Yeah.] 671.0247 501 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 671.7937 Reading, writing, arithmetic, geography, 674.0334 502 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 674.0334 (pause 0.87) 674.9060 503 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 674.9060 history 675.3942 504 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 675.3942 (pause 1.34) 676.7299 505 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 676.7299 civics. 677.3890 506 DTA_int_01 677.8222 Uh-huh. 678.0480 507 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 681.7655 The- The re- the usual [courses, nothing-] nothing unusual. 684.9612 508 DTA_int_01 683.2446 [/?/] 683.7496 509 DTA_int_01 685.3274 Uh, okay. 685.8460 510 DTA_int_01 685.8460 (pause 0.36) 686.2044 511 DTA_int_01 686.2044 Uh. 686.5583 512 DTA_int_01 686.5583 (pause 0.25) 686.8053 513 DTA_int_01 686.8053 From your- 687.2987 514 DTA_int_01 687.2987 (pause 0.76) 688.0554 515 DTA_int_01 688.0554 from your desk in the classroom, let's say 689.9235 516 DTA_int_01 689.9235 (pause 0.14) 690.0639 517 DTA_int_01 690.0639 maybe 690.5024 518 DTA_int_01 690.5024 (pause 0.34) 690.8441 519 DTA_int_01 690.8441 well, in 691.7716 520 DTA_int_01 691.7716 (pause 0.70) 692.4733 521 DTA_int_01 692.4733 high school or 693.2572 522 DTA_int_01 693.2572 (pause 0.36) 693.6172 523 DTA_int_01 693.6172 college or whatever it was. 694.5996 524 DTA_int_01 694.5996 (pause 0.60) 695.2037 525 DTA_int_01 695.2037 What- what would you 696.1374 526 DTA_int_01 696.1374 (pause 0.16) 696.3021 527 DTA_int_01 696.3021 usually see at the front of the room? 697.9712 528 DTA_int_01 697.9712 (pause 0.67) 698.6363 529 DTA_int_01 698.6363 What were some of the things you might see? 700.0581 530 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 702.8740 Oh. At what- at what grade level let's [say.] 705.5487 531 DTA_int_01 705.1215 [Doesn't make any-] uh. Well let's say, in high school. 707.5319 532 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 708.0139 In high [school.] 709.1001 533 DTA_int_01 708.9231 [I'm asking] you for kind of. 709.6127 534 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 710.1981 Well, there would, um, 711.7053 535 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 711.7053 (pause 0.50) 712.2057 536 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 712.2057 there would 712.7301 537 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 712.7301 (pause 0.14) 712.8709 538 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 712.8709 be the- the teacher. 714.2194 539 DTA_int_01 714.5959 Mm-hm. 714.8278 540 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 715.0292 And uh, in high school, the teacher was a um 718.8064 541 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 718.8064 (pause 1.29) 720.1014 542 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 720.1014 a sister- a Notre Dame sister. 722.3836 543 DTA_int_01 722.5935 Mm-hm. 722.8009 544 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 723.3013 Uh. She wore this 724.7963 545 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 724.7963 (pause 0.26) 725.0552 546 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 725.0552 voluminous black habit with the 726.9163 547 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 726.9163 (pause 1.00) 727.9129 548 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 727.9129 white collar. 729.2258 549 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 729.2258 (pause 0.41) 729.6407 550 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 729.6407 And I could remember it very visi- vividly, one or the other of them, but they all 734.3717 551 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 734.3717 (pause 0.43) 734.8050 552 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 734.8050 dressed alike, you know, the face was the only difference. 737.5265 553 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 737.5265 (pause 1.00) 738.5314 554 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 738.5314 And the blackboard. 739.7605 555 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 739.7605 (pause 0.35) 740.1145 556 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 740.1145 And, um, 740.9871 557 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 740.9871 (pause 2.43) 743.4157 558 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 743.4157 the desk. Now, I- I'm- as I recall, I'm not aware 747.8765 559 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 747.8765 (pause 0.46) 748.3373 560 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 748.3373 of any other things 750.2473 561 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 750.2473 (pause 0.37) 750.6134 562 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 750.6134 that were in- in the rooms. We- we had a home room. 753.6886 563 DTA_int_01 753.8412 Mm-hm. 754.0548 564 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 754.2866 And in the homeroom, we started the day 756.8333 565 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 756.8333 (pause 0.29) 757.1201 566 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 757.1201 as we ended the day. 758.3589 567 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 758.3589 (pause 0.70) 759.0558 568 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 759.0558 But uh, we went to- we rotated classes 762.0642 569 DTA_int_01 762.3653 [Uh-huh.] 762.6563 570 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 762.5422 [uh,] various 763.7138 571 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 764.2215 places 764.7097 572 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 764.7097 (pause 1.09) 765.8019 573 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 765.8019 in the building. 766.6013 574 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 766.6013 (pause 0.30) 766.9003 575 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 766.9003 But um. 767.8156 576 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 767.8156 (pause 1.67) 769.4816 577 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 769.4816 I can't remember anything especially about any of those classes. 773.0553 578 DTA_int_01 773.1591 What did all the students work- 774.6157 579 DTA_int_01 774.6157 (pause 0.27) 774.8860 580 DTA_int_01 774.8860 uh, and were did the students work? Did they have their own 777.1133 581 DTA_int_01 777.1133 (pause 1.44) 778.5527 582 DTA_int_01 778.5527 place to work? 779.2910 583 DTA_int_01 779.2910 (pause 0.41) 779.7060 584 DTA_int_01 779.7060 I mean in the classroom. 780.6091 585 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 780.9020 Oh yes. I mean there were these individual desks. Some of them were the, 784.8968 586 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 784.8968 (pause 0.48) 785.3727 587 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 785.3727 uh, one arm 786.6940 588 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 786.6940 (pause 0.26) 786.9564 589 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 786.9564 chairs. 787.5823 590 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 787.5823 (pause 0.67) 788.2474 591 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 788.2474 Uh. And I think there were a few, uh, l- 791.3229 592 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 791.3229 (pause 0.30) 791.6219 593 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 791.6219 of the lift up type desk. But, uh, we didn't have uh the 795.8450 594 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 795.8450 (pause 0.46) 796.3088 595 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 796.3088 conference type uh, 797.9258 596 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 797.9258 (pause 0.36) 798.2859 597 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 798.2859 uh classrooms like they have now with groups 801.0762 598 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 801.0762 (pause 0.31) 801.3874 599 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 801.3874 around the table. That 802.8432 600 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 802.8432 (pause 0.18) 803.0202 601 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 803.0202 was a little 803.8318 602 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 803.8318 (pause 0.18) 804.0087 603 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 804.0087 previous. 804.6983 604 DTA_int_01 804.8691 Mm-hm. 805.0949 605 DTA_int_01 805.0949 (pause 1.37) 806.4679 606 DTA_int_01 806.4679 Um. 806.8950 607 DTA_int_01 806.8950 (pause 0.82) 807.7178 608 DTA_int_01 807.7178 What are some of the things that 808.8467 609 DTA_int_01 808.8467 (pause 0.92) 809.7641 610 DTA_int_01 809.7641 the, uh, children might play on the playground? Uh. 812.6595 611 DTA_int_01 812.6595 (pause 0.17) 812.8273 612 DTA_int_01 812.8273 Well, equipment. 813.5291 613 DTA_int_01 813.5291 (pause 1.55) 815.0748 614 DTA_int_01 815.0748 You know, special equipment that 816.2708 615 DTA_int_01 816.2708 (pause 0.95) 817.2227 616 DTA_int_01 817.2227 probably I- I don't know if it would be 818.7774 617 DTA_int_01 818.7774 (pause 0.45) 819.2229 618 DTA_int_01 819.2229 you would have this 820.0575 619 DTA_int_01 820.0575 (pause 0.15) 820.2100 620 DTA_int_01 820.2100 in 820.5043 621 DTA_int_01 820.5043 (pause 0.66) 821.1605 622 DTA_int_01 821.1605 you would have had this at your school. Let's say now, uh, on a real 824.4334 623 DTA_int_01 824.4334 (pause 0.20) 824.6348 624 DTA_int_01 824.6348 you know, well furnished playground, what might your kids play on? 826.8614 625 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 827.7281 Well, they would have, um, 829.2977 626 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 829.2977 (pause 1.08) 830.3778 627 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 830.3778 swings 831.1710 628 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 831.1710 (pause 0.77) 831.9415 629 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 831.9415 and teeter-totters. 833.4610 630 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 833.4610 (pause 0.69) 834.1505 631 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 834.1505 There are the, um, 835.3343 632 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 835.3343 (pause 1.83) 837.1691 633 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 837.1691 climbing apparatus. 838.8102 634 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 838.8102 (pause 1.24) 840.0524 635 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 840.0524 To some people call them monkey bars. 842.2940 636 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 842.2940 (pause 0.38) 842.6738 637 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 842.6738 There are tho- 843.1605 638 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 843.1605 (pause 0.08) 843.2444 639 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 843.2444 the l- 843.5797 640 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 843.5797 (pause 0.14) 843.7201 641 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 843.7201 the uh, overhead ladders. 845.7761 642 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 845.7761 (pause 0.99) 846.7708 643 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 846.7708 Uh. 847.4121 644 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 847.4121 (pause 0.16) 847.5708 645 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 847.5708 Then uh, lately 848.8583 646 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 848.8583 (pause 0.24) 849.1024 647 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 849.1024 they have gone in for this construction 851.5674 648 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 851.5674 (pause 0.45) 852.0190 649 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 852.0190 type 852.3607 650 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 852.3607 (pause 0.34) 852.7024 651 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 852.7024 thing where you have um 854.3256 652 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 854.3256 (pause 0.63) 854.9528 653 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 854.9528 facsimiles of animals or, uh, they use these huge drain tiles for climbing through. 861.1271 654 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 861.1271 (pause 0.61) 861.7383 655 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 861.7383 Um. 862.3912 656 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 862.3912 (pause 2.16) 864.5545 657 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 864.5545 864.6812 658 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 864.6812 (pause 0.20) 864.8764 659 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 864.8764 Uh. Sandboxes. 866.4339 660 DTA_int_01 868.6002 Would monkey bars have to be in any special shape 870.5895 661 DTA_int_01 870.5895 (pause 0.59) 871.1815 662 DTA_int_01 871.1815 at all? or? 871.8100 663 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 872.6521 Well, some of them 873.6094 664 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 873.6094 (pause 0.21) 873.8169 665 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 873.8169 uh, were, um, 874.9519 666 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 874.9519 (pause 0.56) 875.5072 667 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 875.5072 the pyramid shape. 876.5220 668 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 876.5220 (pause 0.12) 876.6400 669 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 876.6400 They- they were wide at the base and then they narrowed to a tower 880.6514 670 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 880.6514 (pause 0.37) 881.0200 671 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 881.0200 and in the center was the- the- a high- the highest point. 884.3426 672 DTA_int_01 884.5073 Mm-hm. 884.8185 673 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 884.9101 And others 885.7926 674 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 885.7926 (pause 0.30) 886.0916 675 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 886.0916 had a rounded shape, uh, they- uh, 888.5202 676 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 888.5202 (pause 0.11) 888.6286 677 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 888.6286 they curved at the top and came down to- with perpendicular sides. 893.3784 678 DTA_int_01 893.4952 Mm-hm. 893.8384 679 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 894.4228 So it- they- they just varied in shape depending on the manufacturer 898.4817 680 DTA_int_01 898.6525 Uh-huh. 898.9210 681 DTA_int_01 898.9210 (pause 0.98) 899.9018 682 DTA_int_01 899.9018 Um. If you step outside the 901.4029 683 DTA_int_01 901.4029 (pause 0.46) 901.8667 684 DTA_int_01 901.8667 classroom, 902.4492 685 DTA_int_01 902.4492 (pause 0.52) 902.9662 686 DTA_int_01 902.9662 uh in a school, 903.8388 687 DTA_int_01 903.8388 (pause 0.48) 904.3209 688 DTA_int_01 904.3209 you would- 904.6443 689 DTA_int_01 904.6443 (pause 0.17) 904.8152 690 DTA_int_01 904.8152 where would you be in the long. 906.0966 691 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 906.3838 In the corridor. Yes. 907.6836 692 DTA_int_01 907.7218 Uh-huh. 907.9446 693 DTA_int_01 907.9446 (pause 0.73) 908.6721 694 DTA_int_01 908.6721 And what does- what do the 909.8621 695 DTA_int_01 909.8621 (pause 0.44) 910.3061 696 DTA_int_01 910.3061 kids do after school is out? 911.6683 697 DTA_int_01 911.6683 (pause 0.49) 912.1615 698 DTA_int_01 912.1615 I mean, I should say, what did you do after school was out? 914.1997 699 DTA_int_01 914.1997 (pause 0.24) 914.4437 700 DTA_int_01 914.4437 when you were in. 915.2675 701 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 915.4468 915.4834 702 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 915.4834 (pause 0.24) 915.7191 703 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 915.7191 In high school 916.6377 704 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 916.6377 (pause 2.02) 918.6593 705 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 918.6593 when school was over, we- uh, 920.3281 706 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 920.3281 (pause 0.11) 920.4348 707 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 920.4348 we usually made it for the outside 922.4695 708 DTA_int_01 922.6773 Mm-hm. 922.8604 709 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 922.8695 and um 923.7021 710 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 923.7021 (pause 0.70) 924.3999 711 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 924.3999 the 924.7599 712 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 924.7599 (pause 0.33) 925.0894 713 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 925.0894 car line was about a half a block to the corner. 928.3608 714 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 928.3608 (pause 0.63) 928.9902 715 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 928.9902 And 929.7957 716 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 929.7957 (pause 0.77) 930.5645 717 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 930.5645 I remember 931.4118 718 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 931.4118 (pause 0.29) 931.6986 719 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 931.6986 learning the lessons about ladies first 934.5605 720 DTA_int_01 934.8750 Uh-huh. 935.1038 721 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 935.1252 935.2381 722 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 935.2381 (pause 0.16) 935.4028 723 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 935.4028 because um 936.2907 724 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 936.2907 (pause 0.34) 936.6308 725 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 936.6308 the- 936.7911 726 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 936.7911 (pause 0.27) 937.0591 727 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 937.0591 the uh 937.6254 728 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 937.6254 (pause 1.68) 939.3087 729 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 939.3087 students would line up as close 941.8787 730 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 941.8787 (pause 0.66) 942.5350 731 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 942.5350 to the street car rail 944.4451 732 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 944.4451 (pause 0.23) 944.6709 733 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 944.6709 as they dared 945.8289 734 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 945.8289 (pause 0.72) 946.5504 735 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 946.5504 and still let the car go by. 948.4356 736 DTA_int_01 948.4784 Huh. 948.6340 737 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 949.0786 And uh they would line up about maybe a width of ten feet 953.7825 738 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 953.7825 (pause 0.15) 953.9334 739 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 953.9334 approximately to where they expected the car door 957.4103 740 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 957.4103 (pause 0.79) 958.1983 741 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 958.1983 to open. 958.8208 742 DTA_int_01 958.9733 Mm-hm. 959.2174 743 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 959.4976 And sometimes the 960.7608 744 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 960.7608 (pause 0.18) 960.9364 745 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 960.9364 the street car would stop at this end of the line, sometimes at 964.3963 746 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 964.3963 (pause 0.12) 964.5123 747 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 964.5123 the 964.7380 748 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 964.7380 (pause 0.27) 965.0041 749 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 965.0041 other end of the line, sometimes it would stop right in the middle. 967.8782 750 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 967.8782 (pause 0.62) 968.5000 751 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 968.5000 Well, whoever happened to be in front of the door 971.8148 752 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 971.8148 (pause 0.30) 972.1138 753 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 972.1138 sort of won this game because the were the first ones on [to this] street car, you see, others 977.2854 754 DTA_int_01 975.0826 [] 975.5555 755 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 977.6576 would have to file in afterwards. 979.5310 756 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 979.5310 (pause 1.41) 980.9426 757 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 980.9426 Well one day I happened to win the game and, um, 985.3381 758 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 985.3381 (pause 0.79) 986.1314 759 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 986.1314 the- the car door opened 988.0145 760 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 988.0145 (pause 1.12) 989.1299 761 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 989.1299 and um 990.2038 762 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 990.2038 (pause 0.73) 990.9341 763 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 990.9341 the step dropped down. You see, the- the- the doors folded 994.4877 764 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 994.4877 (pause 0.14) 994.6281 765 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 994.6281 back and opened and then the- the step 997.5943 766 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 997.5943 (pause 0.40) 997.9970 767 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 997.9970 came down. 998.7757 768 DTA_int_01 998.8812 Mm-hm. 999.1497 769 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 999.3328 And the surge from the back caught me totally unprepared. 1003.1653 770 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1003.1653 (pause 0.39) 1003.5572 771 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1003.5572 Pushed me against the iron step and I scraped my shins 1007.9089 772 DTA_int_01 1006.2689 [] 1006.9265 773 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1008.0676 and [uh] 1009.0737 774 DTA_int_01 1008.6180 [] 1009.2160 775 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1009.3605 I had a most uncomfortable ride all the way home. 1011.9905 776 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1011.9905 (pause 0.61) 1012.6013 777 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1012.6013 Well, 1013.0040 778 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1013.0040 (pause 0.29) 1013.2969 779 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1013.2969 1013.6509 780 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1013.6509 (pause 0.57) 1014.2184 781 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1014.2184 it was mostly the girls in the back, you see. 1016.7650 782 DTA_int_01 1016.9054 [] 1017.5618 783 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1017.0640 [And so] that's why I say I learned the lessons of- of ladies [first from then] on, I'd step back and let them get on [first.] 1024.1914 784 DTA_int_01 1020.8130 [] 1021.4283 785 DTA_int_01 1021.4283 (pause 2.62) 1024.0468 786 DTA_int_01 1024.0468 [] 1024.5262 787 DTA_int_01 1025.8219 Um. 1026.1849 788 DTA_int_01 1026.1849 (pause 0.28) 1026.4656 789 DTA_int_01 1026.4656 Did you ever have a teacher that yelled a lot in class? 1028.7794 790 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1029.7785 No. 1030.0958 791 DTA_int_01 1030.7472 Mm-hm. 1030.9333 792 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1031.3236 No, I never did. 1032.1840 793 DTA_int_01 1032.8553 Who was the best teacher that you ever had? 1034.4418 794 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1036.0386 Chemistry teacher. 1036.9845 795 DTA_int_01 1037.6390 What was it about 1038.2988 796 DTA_int_01 1038.2988 (pause 0.31) 1038.6070 797 DTA_int_01 1038.6070 this person that 1039.3246 798 DTA_int_01 1039.3246 (pause 1.04) 1040.3618 799 DTA_int_01 1040.3618 you liked? 1040.8044 800 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1041.3780 1041.4726 801 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1041.4726 (pause 2.09) 1043.5656 802 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1043.5656 Well, she was um 1045.2439 803 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1045.2439 (pause 3.94) 1049.1849 804 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1049.1849 I would say she was quietly persistent. 1051.5800 805 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1051.5800 (pause 1.08) 1052.6571 806 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1052.6571 Uh. 1053.4443 807 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1053.4443 (pause 0.75) 1054.1910 808 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1054.1910 She tried to get the subject across 1057.0071 809 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1057.0071 (pause 0.63) 1057.6377 810 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1057.6377 uh, not by any forceful means, but 1061.2611 811 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1061.2611 (pause 0.90) 1062.1642 812 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1062.1642 by 1062.5120 813 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1062.5120 (pause 0.67) 1063.1773 814 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1063.1773 /uh/ satisfying herself that the students knew 1066.3919 815 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1066.3919 (pause 0.79) 1067.1812 816 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1067.1812 w- 1067.3314 817 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1067.3314 (pause 0.17) 1067.5022 818 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1067.5022 the theory. And knew what the problem was and 1071.2095 819 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1071.2095 (pause 0.38) 1071.5878 820 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1071.5878 how to go about solving these uh 1074.1459 821 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1074.1459 (pause 0.30) 1074.4449 822 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1074.4449 chemical problems. 1075.6714 823 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1075.6714 (pause 0.87) 1076.5379 824 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1076.5379 And the encouragement 1078.4835 825 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1078.4835 (pause 0.26) 1078.7459 826 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1078.7459 that she gave to the students 1080.6314 827 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1080.6314 (pause 0.50) 1081.1312 828 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1081.1312 uh along the way. 1082.7605 829 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1082.7605 (pause 0.84) 1083.6026 830 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1083.6026 In high school an adolescent age, a- age of uncertainty, 1087.3081 831 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1087.3081 (pause 1.54) 1088.8459 832 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1088.8459 uh, 1089.4195 833 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1089.4195 (pause 1.36) 1090.7832 834 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1090.7832 a bad mark 1091.7795 835 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1091.7795 (pause 0.22) 1091.9976 836 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1091.9976 or so 1092.6749 837 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1092.6749 (pause 0.40) 1093.0715 838 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1093.0715 a dispute 1094.0159 839 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1094.0159 (pause 0.25) 1094.2676 840 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1094.2676 anything could 1095.2760 841 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1095.2760 (pause 0.31) 1095.5865 842 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1095.5865 throw you off pretty far. 1097.1425 843 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1097.1425 (pause 0.44) 1097.5835 844 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1097.5835 And uh she was a person that you could talk to 1100.7344 845 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1100.7344 (pause 0.76) 1101.4911 846 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1101.4911 and uh, you could explain your problem to her in confidence and- uh, and- 1107.5118 847 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1107.5118 (pause 1.24) 1108.7476 848 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1108.7476 with the feeling that she would understand. 1110.7247 849 DTA_int_01 1110.8956 Mm-hm. 1111.1397 850 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1111.8744 She was a most remarkable person. 1113.6493 851 DTA_int_01 1116.2083 Uh. 1116.5087 852 DTA_int_01 1116.5087 (pause 0.87) 1117.3799 853 DTA_int_01 1117.3799 Was there ever a teacher that 1118.3989 854 DTA_int_01 1118.3989 (pause 0.74) 1119.1434 855 DTA_int_01 1119.1434 um probably had a hard time getting along with students? 1121.4561 856 DTA_int_01 1121.4561 (pause 0.53) 1121.9893 857 DTA_int_01 1121.9893 Or vice-versa. 1122.7796 858 DTA_int_01 1122.7796 (pause 0.35) 1123.1304 859 DTA_int_01 1123.1304 1123.4355 860 DTA_int_01 1123.4355 (pause 2.02) 1125.4601 861 DTA_int_01 1125.4601 That you can remember? 1126.0986 862 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1128.6053 You mean getting- uh, getting along with the students in general? 1131.8176 863 DTA_int_01 1131.9762 Yeah. 1132.2134 864 DTA_int_01 1132.2134 (pause 0.23) 1132.4423 865 DTA_int_01 1132.4423 Mm-hm. 1132.6305 866 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1133.5214 No, uh. 1135.0347 867 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1135.0347 (pause 0.32) 1135.3536 868 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1135.3536 Y- you're speaking of what? High school? 1137.3986 869 DTA_int_01 1137.3925 Well, yeah. Well 1138.2651 870 DTA_int_01 1138.6512 all the way through. 1139.3147 871 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1141.6449 I'm trying to- I'm trying to think of one who- who didn't. 1144.7326 872 DTA_int_01 1144.9035 Uh-huh. 1145.1414 873 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1145.3977 But i- it's kind of hard 1147.1909 874 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1147.1909 (pause 0.69) 1147.8812 875 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1147.8812 because 1148.6257 876 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1148.6257 (pause 2.17) 1150.7920 877 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1150.7920 all of the time that I was in school, I went to parochial school. 1154.3997 878 DTA_int_01 1154.4211 Mm-hm. 1154.6071 879 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1155.3109 And the theory there was, uh, 1158.0557 880 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1158.0557 (pause 0.68) 1158.7385 881 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1158.7385 that 1159.1398 882 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1159.1398 (pause 0.22) 1159.3610 883 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1159.3610 you had to measure up 1161.0268 884 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1161.0268 (pause 0.26) 1161.2892 885 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1161.2892 to the school. 1162.2412 886 DTA_int_01 1162.4303 Mm-hm. 1162.7049 887 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1163.0553 And uh 1163.9889 888 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1163.9889 (pause 0.36) 1164.3510 889 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1164.3510 while there were those 1166.1656 890 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1166.1656 (pause 0.13) 1166.2968 891 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1166.2968 pranksters in the school who 1168.1954 892 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1168.1954 (pause 0.27) 1168.4675 893 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1168.4675 got into trouble, 1169.5415 894 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1169.5415 (pause 0.48) 1170.0256 895 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1170.0256 by and large, 1171.4658 896 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1171.4658 (pause 0.23) 1171.6915 897 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1171.6915 the student body 1173.0157 898 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1173.0157 (pause 0.60) 1173.6155 899 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1173.6155 even from the grade schools up 1175.4339 900 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1175.4339 (pause 0.73) 1176.1628 901 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1176.1628 were- were 1176.9683 902 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1176.9683 (pause 0.12) 1177.0903 903 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1177.0903 serious about their 1178.4755 904 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1178.4755 (pause 0.21) 1178.6816 905 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1178.6816 about their studies. 1179.6458 906 DTA_int_01 1179.7495 Mm-hm. 1180.0668 907 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1180.3400 And uh 1181.3011 908 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1181.3011 (pause 1.22) 1182.5177 909 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1182.5177 w- 1182.6630 910 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1182.6630 (pause 0.16) 1182.8277 911 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1182.8277 there wasn't this- um, this battle between the- 1186.3509 912 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1186.3509 (pause 0.68) 1187.0343 913 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1187.0343 the, uh, parent 1188.4561 914 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1188.4561 (pause 0.54) 1188.9928 915 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1188.9928 and the teacher 1190.0119 916 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1190.0119 (pause 0.20) 1190.2072 917 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1190.2072 or the student and the teacher 1192.1782 918 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1192.1782 (pause 0.49) 1192.6698 919 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1192.6698 that you find 1193.9635 920 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1193.9635 (pause 0.38) 1194.3465 921 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1194.3465 so prevalent today. 1195.7026 922 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1195.7026 (pause 0.55) 1196.2534 923 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1196.2534 The- 1196.7050 924 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1196.7050 (pause 0.92) 1197.6264 925 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1197.6264 the school 1198.6577 926 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1198.6577 (pause 0.27) 1198.9279 927 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1198.9279 exercised an authority over the children while they were in attendance. 1203.7906 928 DTA_int_01 1203.7967 Mm-hm. 1204.0591 929 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1204.3520 And the parents 1205.7067 930 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1205.7067 (pause 0.21) 1205.9147 931 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1205.9147 reinforced the authority of the school 1208.7949 932 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1208.7949 (pause 0.59) 1209.3814 933 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1209.3814 so that, 1209.9794 934 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1209.9794 (pause 0.52) 1210.4981 935 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1210.4981 uh, the 1211.4215 936 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1211.4215 (pause 0.37) 1211.7937 937 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1211.7937 pupil was left without 1213.4901 938 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1213.4901 (pause 0.24) 1213.7281 939 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1213.7281 too much choice, but to 1215.3268 940 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1215.3268 (pause 0.53) 1215.8591 941 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1215.8591 to do it right. 1216.7256 942 DTA_int_01 1216.9575 Mm-hm. 1217.2565 943 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1217.6410 So that, 1218.3793 944 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1218.3793 (pause 0.31) 1218.6870 945 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1218.6870 uh, 1219.2545 946 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1219.2545 (pause 0.20) 1219.4498 947 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1219.4498 while there may have been 1220.9754 948 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1220.9754 (pause 0.88) 1221.8602 949 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1221.8602 instances of 1223.0533 950 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1223.0533 (pause 0.13) 1223.1875 951 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1223.1875 disagreement or unpleasantness, 1225.5735 952 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1225.5735 (pause 0.29) 1225.8664 953 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1225.8664 uh, they were of such a nature that 1228.6529 954 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1228.6529 (pause 0.30) 1228.9519 955 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1228.9519 they passed and i- you couldn't recall them if you tried. 1232.4359 956 DTA_int_01 1232.7654 Mm-hm. 1233.0217 957 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1233.4736 It's just like that. 1234.4740 958 DTA_int_01 1234.6936 Mm-hm. 1234.9194 959 DTA_int_01 1234.9194 (pause 0.61) 1235.5296 960 DTA_int_01 1235.5296 That's good. 1236.0211 961 DTA_int_01 1236.0211 (pause 1.00) 1237.0218 962 DTA_int_01 1237.0218 Um. 1237.3433 963 DTA_int_01 1237.3433 (pause 0.24) 1237.5874 964 DTA_int_01 1237.5874 Who was this smartest 1238.3594 965 DTA_int_01 1238.3594 (pause 0.37) 1238.7249 966 DTA_int_01 1238.7249 kid 1238.9934 967 DTA_int_01 1238.9934 (pause 0.39) 1239.3839 968 DTA_int_01 1239.3839 i- let's say in your senior class. 1240.9709 969 DTA_int_01 1240.9709 (pause 0.11) 1241.0813 970 DTA_int_01 1241.0813 /inaudible/ 1241.5759 971 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1241.8097 1241.9135 972 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1241.9135 (pause 0.13) 1242.0442 973 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1242.0442 Oh that's easy, his name was, uh, /RD-NAME-5/. 1246.3048 974 DTA_int_01 1246.7426 Uh-huh, what- what was there so- 1248.5454 975 DTA_int_01 1248.5454 (pause 0.67) 1249.2159 976 DTA_int_01 1249.2159 well why did everybody respect him or 1250.9177 977 DTA_int_01 1250.9177 (pause 0.72) 1251.6377 978 DTA_int_01 1251.6377 how was he uh so far ahead of the other people /uh/? 1254.2393 979 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1255.3011 Really, uh, I don't know, he was a regular guy, he played basketball, he played football. 1261.1335 980 DTA_int_01 1261.4203 Uh-huh. 1261.6582 981 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1262.0488 He did all of the other things, he went to dances and so forth. 1265.7999 982 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1265.7999 (pause 1.21) 1267.0071 983 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1267.0071 But he got straight A's. 1268.8927 984 DTA_int_01 1269.0452 Mm. 1269.2344 985 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1269.7287 He was the um 1270.9714 986 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1270.9714 (pause 1.61) 1272.5823 987 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1272.5823 outstanding freshman in college, we went through college together. 1275.9176 988 DTA_int_01 1276.0515 Mm-hm. 1276.2648 989 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1276.7624 And um 1277.7625 990 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1277.7625 (pause 0.20) 1277.9578 991 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1277.9578 he, uh, graduated from college with honors. 1281.1513 992 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1281.1513 (pause 0.49) 1281.6456 993 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1281.6456 /I'll let you-/ I mean, 1282.4389 994 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1282.4389 (pause 0.79) 1283.2322 995 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1283.2322 and it never appeared 1285.4936 996 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1285.4936 (pause 0.28) 1285.7703 997 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1285.7703 that he was 1287.0944 998 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1287.0944 (pause 0.91) 1288.0036 999 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1288.0036 stretching himself out 1289.6366 1000 DTA_int_01 1289.7220 Mm-hm. 1289.9844 1001 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1290.2600 to- to make these. He- he was always relaxed. 1293.2158 1002 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1293.2158 (pause 0.51) 1293.7276 1003 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1293.7276 And uh 1294.6795 1004 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1294.6795 (pause 0.79) 1295.4667 1005 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1295.4667 friendly and 1296.2356 1006 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1296.2356 (pause 0.18) 1296.4126 1007 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1296.4126 so forth. 1297.0106 1008 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1297.0106 (pause 0.66) 1297.6739 1009 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1297.6739 Uh. I mean he wasn't the type of person who was working to make himself a- 1301.9044 1010 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1301.9044 (pause 0.19) 1302.0936 1011 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1302.0936 a- an outstanding student. It just came to him. 1305.0688 1012 DTA_int_01 1305.2793 Mm-hm. 1305.4319 1013 DTA_int_01 1305.4319 (pause 2.53) 1307.9645 1014 DTA_int_01 1307.9645 Uh. 1308.1872 1015 DTA_int_01 1308.1872 (pause 0.34) 1308.5320 1016 DTA_int_01 1308.5320 What about 1308.9957 1017 DTA_int_01 1308.9957 (pause 0.15) 1309.1422 1018 DTA_int_01 1309.1422 uh, a person who maybe had the hardest time? 1311.4170 1019 DTA_int_01 1311.4170 (pause 1.79) 1313.2062 1020 DTA_int_01 1313.2062 I don't know, do you want to call him the dumbest person but. 1315.4029 1021 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1315.8744 [Mm-hm.] 1316.4488 1022 DTA_int_01 1316.0910 [The] pers- 1316.5029 1023 DTA_int_01 1316.6585 the fellow probably had the hardest 1317.9980 1024 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1318.1306 [Well,] 1318.8518 1025 DTA_int_01 1318.1730 [or girl] I don't know. 1319.1954 1026 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1319.1203 there was a girl 1320.2309 1027 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1320.6332 uh, who did. She had- she had a very difficult time in- in- in high school. 1325.4295 1028 DTA_int_01 1325.5516 Mm-hm. 1325.7713 1029 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1326.3632 Uh. 1327.1443 1030 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1327.1443 (pause 0.37) 1327.5123 1031 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1327.5123 And I remember her very well because sh- 1329.9350 1032 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1329.9350 (pause 0.30) 1330.2319 1033 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1330.2319 she walked ahead of me in the graduation line 1333.9969 1034 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1333.9969 (pause 0.13) 1334.1251 1035 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1334.1251 in college. 1335.0378 1036 DTA_int_01 1335.4710 Mm-hm. 1335.6907 1037 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1335.9029 And uh 1336.8684 1038 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1336.8684 (pause 0.88) 1337.7532 1039 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1337.7532 she was a- a very 1339.0978 1040 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1339.0978 (pause 0.52) 1339.6165 1041 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1339.6165 lovely person. 1340.8979 1042 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1340.8979 (pause 0.42) 1341.3215 1043 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1341.3215 She was 1341.9073 1044 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1341.9073 (pause 0.75) 1342.6579 1045 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1342.6579 generous and outgoing 1344.3110 1046 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1344.3110 (pause 0.84) 1345.1470 1047 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1345.1470 but she wasn't 1346.5078 1048 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1346.5078 (pause 0.37) 1346.8763 1049 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1346.8763 pretty. 1347.3950 1050 DTA_int_01 1347.6688 Mm-hm. 1347.8244 1051 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1348.0861 And 1348.6825 1052 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1348.6825 (pause 0.74) 1349.4195 1053 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1349.4195 she was 1349.9412 1054 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1349.9412 (pause 0.27) 1350.2132 1055 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1350.2132 a little clumsy. 1351.5820 1056 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1351.5820 (pause 1.29) 1352.8706 1057 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1352.8706 And everybody made extra room for her 1356.2376 1058 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1356.2376 (pause 1.03) 1357.2717 1059 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1357.2717 when she was around. I mean 1358.4555 1060 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1358.4555 (pause 0.37) 1358.8298 1061 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1358.8298 the- the- while there may have been personal opinions, 1362.7657 1062 DTA_int_01 1363.0649 Mm-hm. 1363.2663 1063 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1363.3090 about her brightness, 1365.0664 1064 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1365.0664 (pause 0.44) 1365.5058 1065 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1365.5058 about her clumsiness, and about her appearance, 1368.4502 1066 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1368.4502 (pause 0.63) 1369.0787 1067 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1369.0787 I- I never as- as long as I could recall, 1372.6936 1068 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1372.6936 (pause 0.54) 1373.2289 1069 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1373.2289 anyone ever making her feel unwelcomed or, 1377.5030 1070 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1377.5030 (pause 0.58) 1378.0799 1071 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1378.0799 uh, in any way 1379.4612 1072 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1379.4612 (pause 0.20) 1379.6626 1073 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1379.6626 different than the other ch- 1380.9380 1074 DTA_int_01 1381.2126 [Mm-hm.] 1381.4688 1075 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1381.2248 [children.] 1381.7739 1076 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1382.8784 Um. 1383.5802 1077 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1383.5802 (pause 0.90) 1384.4801 1078 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1384.4801 She graduated from high school 1386.4083 1079 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1386.4083 (pause 0.61) 1387.0208 1080 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1387.0208 uh 1387.7774 1081 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1387.7774 (pause 0.37) 1388.1510 1082 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1388.1510 as I said 1388.8893 1083 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1388.8893 (pause 0.63) 1389.5178 1084 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1389.5178 but uh 1390.3416 1085 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1390.3416 (pause 0.68) 1391.0207 1086 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1391.0207 she's one that I'll always remember 1392.9816 1087 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1392.9816 (pause 0.10) 1393.0823 1088 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1393.0823 from that end, I- my personal opinion was that 1396.3915 1089 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1396.3915 (pause 0.18) 1396.5684 1090 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1396.5684 she wasn't very bright. 1398.1766 1091 DTA_int_01 1398.3048 Mm-hm. 1398.5427 1092 DTA_int_01 1398.5427 (pause 1.95) 1400.4968 1093 DTA_int_01 1400.4968 Um. 1400.8338 1094 DTA_int_01 1400.8338 (pause 0.17) 1401.0046 1095 DTA_int_01 1401.0046 W- what about /n-/ 1401.9444 1096 DTA_int_01 1401.9444 (pause 0.27) 1402.2129 1097 DTA_int_01 1402.2129 who would be some people 1403.2075 1098 DTA_int_01 1403.2075 (pause 0.51) 1403.7169 1099 DTA_int_01 1403.7169 maybe uh, in this- the class that 1405.9502 1100 DTA_int_01 1405.9502 (pause 0.93) 1406.8769 1101 DTA_int_01 1406.8769 would hold 1407.4200 1102 DTA_int_01 1407.4200 (pause 1.60) 1409.0150 1103 DTA_int_01 1409.0150 uh, less respect? 1410.0463 1104 DTA_int_01 1410.0463 (pause 0.15) 1410.1974 1105 DTA_int_01 1410.1974 S- let's say from the other students. 1411.5901 1106 DTA_int_01 1411.5901 (pause 0.88) 1412.4735 1107 DTA_int_01 1412.4735 Uh. 1412.7619 1108 DTA_int_01 1412.7619 (pause 1.51) 1414.2695 1109 DTA_int_01 1414.2695 Why would- wha- what would cause 1415.5119 1110 DTA_int_01 1415.5119 (pause 0.31) 1415.8231 1111 DTA_int_01 1415.8231 the other students to lose respect for a person in the class? 1418.6810 1112 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1419.5353 Well, one thing 1420.7390 1113 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1420.7390 (pause 0.93) 1421.6733 1114 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1421.6733 uh was the- the tendency on the part of the boys to, um, 1425.5115 1115 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1425.5115 (pause 1.28) 1426.7916 1116 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1426.7916 gamble. 1427.2676 1117 DTA_int_01 1427.6215 Mm-hm. 1427.8595 1118 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1428.5308 Uh. It wasn't a- a big kind of gambling, it was a 1431.7482 1119 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1431.7482 (pause 0.10) 1431.8520 1120 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1431.8520 matching pennies, do you know how the game [goes?] 1434.2571 1121 DTA_int_01 1434.0741 [Yeah.] 1434.3029 1122 DTA_int_01 1434.5844 [Yeah.] 1434.7759 1123 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1434.7240 [Well,] 1435.0969 1124 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1435.5729 uh, there were a group of boys around who 1438.7220 1125 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1438.7220 (pause 0.52) 1439.2468 1126 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1439.2468 who 1439.5519 1127 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1439.5519 (pause 0.72) 1440.2720 1128 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1440.2720 m- frequently 1441.1690 1129 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1441.1690 (pause 0.44) 1441.6116 1130 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1441.6116 would have a handful of pennies and they might be at the back of the classroom, uh, matching pennies, something like that. 1448.2135 1131 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1448.2135 (pause 0.81) 1449.0207 1132 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1449.0207 Uh, 1449.8079 1133 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1449.8079 (pause 0.51) 1450.3191 1134 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1450.3191 profanity was a- another thing that, um, 1453.3641 1135 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1453.3641 (pause 0.32) 1453.6861 1136 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1453.6861 sort of separated some I mean, if a person were inclined towards profanity, they- 1458.7793 1137 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1458.7793 (pause 0.60) 1459.3834 1138 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1459.3834 they weren't as- as well received as the others. 1462.0112 1139 DTA_int_01 1462.0783 Mm-hm. 1462.3041 1140 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1462.7983 Um. 1463.4940 1141 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1463.4940 (pause 1.91) 1465.4084 1142 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1465.4084 /Uh/ strangely enough, the drinking 1467.3427 1143 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1467.3427 (pause 0.37) 1467.7128 1144 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1467.7128 wasn't the thing that separated the friendlies from the unfriendlies because 1471.8414 1145 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1471.8414 (pause 0.57) 1472.4089 1146 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1472.4089 at that time, uh, there was no rule about, uh, being twenty-one and, uh, 1478.2122 1147 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1478.2122 (pause 0.55) 1478.7615 1148 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1478.7615 all of us drank. One 1480.6837 1149 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1480.6837 (pause 0.51) 1481.1899 1150 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1481.1899 of the fellows 1482.1113 1151 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1482.1113 (pause 0.36) 1482.4714 1152 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1482.4714 had an uncle 1483.4965 1153 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1483.4965 (pause 0.46) 1483.9596 1154 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1483.9596 I think it was his uncle, it may have been his father who owned a tavern. 1488.1640 1155 DTA_int_01 1488.3470 Mm-hm. 1488.6643 1156 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1489.1668 And uh 1490.1675 1157 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1490.1675 (pause 1.21) 1491.3819 1158 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1491.3819 we 1491.8380 1159 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1491.8380 (pause 0.53) 1492.3669 1160 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1492.3669 I know on one occasion, we had a class play 1495.3060 1161 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1495.3060 (pause 0.49) 1495.8002 1162 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1495.8002 and after the play was over, 1497.6265 1163 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1497.6265 (pause 0.12) 1497.7486 1164 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1497.7486 uh and we were in this 1499.2485 1165 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1499.2485 (pause 0.27) 1499.5170 1166 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1499.5170 celebrating mood 1500.8716 1167 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1500.8716 (pause 1.04) 1501.9130 1168 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1501.9130 somehow he went 1503.5250 1169 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1503.5250 (pause 0.16) 1503.6810 1170 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1503.6810 to this place and opened the tavern up and we had the [place to ourselves] and we had a singing ball. 1509.1749 1171 DTA_int_01 1506.6361 [] 1507.2463 1172 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1510.7141 Um. 1511.4650 1173 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1511.4650 (pause 0.23) 1511.6908 1174 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1511.6908 That's where I learned the song, uh, Schnitzelbank song. 1515.1491 1175 DTA_int_01 1515.2498 Oh. 1515.5366 1176 DTA_int_01 1515.5366 (pause 2.14) 1517.6777 1177 DTA_int_01 1517.6777 1518.3954 1178 DTA_int_01 1518.3954 (pause 1.72) 1520.1189 1179 DTA_int_01 1520.1189 Um, let's see, in 1521.3150 1180 DTA_int_01 1521.3150 (pause 0.61) 1521.9207 1181 DTA_int_01 1521.9207 five minutes 1522.8502 1182 DTA_int_01 1522.8502 (pause 0.23) 1523.0821 1183 DTA_int_01 1523.0821 what time will it be? 1524.0219 1184 DTA_int_01 1524.0219 (pause 0.60) 1524.6260 1185 DTA_int_01 1524.6260 how 1524.8579 1186 DTA_int_01 1524.8579 (pause 0.29) 1525.1462 1187 DTA_int_01 1525.1462 [/inaudible/] 1525.4940 1188 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1525.2667 [In five] minutes, it will be, uh, seven- six forty five. 1530.7983 1189 DTA_int_01 1530.8363 Uh-huh. 1531.0621 1190 DTA_int_01 1531.0621 (pause 0.20) 1531.2574 1191 DTA_int_01 1531.2574 [Would you say] it any other way? With like- with a quarter? 1533.3242 1192 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1531.2651 [Uh-huh.] 1531.5786 1193 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1533.4279 Yeah, oh, you could say it'll be a quarter to seven. 1535.9908 1194 DTA_int_01 1536.1739 Uh. 1536.3281 1195 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1536.4490 [/?/] 1536.8152 1196 DTA_int_01 1536.4490 [Okay.] 1536.6851 1197 DTA_int_01 1537.4559 Yeah. Some people say quarter of or 1538.8893 1198 DTA_int_01 1538.8893 (pause 0.15) 1539.0363 1199 DTA_int_01 1539.0363 [quarter til so] we want to get that 1540.4111 1200 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1539.0747 [Mm-hm.] 1539.6788 1201 DTA_int_01 1540.6308 variation. 1541.0762 1202 DTA_int_01 1541.0762 (pause 1.06) 1542.1362 1203 DTA_int_01 1542.1362 Um, 1542.4718 1204 DTA_int_01 1542.4718 (pause 0.78) 1543.2529 1205 DTA_int_01 1543.2529 is there a 1544.3269 1206 DTA_int_01 1544.3269 (pause 1.25) 1545.5786 1207 DTA_int_01 1545.5786 well, a group of people that you're probably quite close to now? 1548.7612 1208 DTA_int_01 1548.7612 (pause 0.40) 1549.1639 1209 DTA_int_01 1549.1639 Uh. Maybe you do things together, maybe you get together for an evening. 1551.7817 1210 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1551.9275 Yes. 1552.5072 1211 DTA_int_01 1552.9587 And, 1553.3310 1212 DTA_int_01 1553.3310 (pause 0.51) 1553.8375 1213 DTA_int_01 1553.8375 uh, 1554.1060 1214 DTA_int_01 1554.1060 (pause 0.46) 1554.5697 1215 DTA_int_01 1554.5697 are these people who- uh, 1555.4606 1216 DTA_int_01 1555.4606 (pause 0.62) 1556.0830 1217 DTA_int_01 1556.0830 well, 1556.3882 1218 DTA_int_01 1556.3882 (pause 1.12) 1557.5080 1219 DTA_int_01 1557.5080 are the same occupation as you or w- 1559.2743 1220 DTA_int_01 1559.2743 (pause 0.22) 1559.4970 1221 DTA_int_01 1559.4970 w- tell me a little bit about them. 1560.6985 1222 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1561.8660 Well, um. 1563.0076 1223 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1563.0076 (pause 1.67) 1564.6735 1224 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1564.6735 One man uh works for the same concern that I work for. 1568.4756 1225 DTA_int_01 1568.5244 Mm-hm. 1568.7382 1226 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1569.0006 He's in a different, uh, 1570.4468 1227 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1570.4468 (pause 0.85) 1571.2998 1228 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1571.2998 location 1572.0869 1229 DTA_int_01 1572.3981 Mm-hm. 1572.5873 1230 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1572.6727 but he works in the same business. 1574.8406 1231 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1574.8406 (pause 0.67) 1575.5058 1232 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1575.5058 Uh. 1575.9512 1233 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1575.9512 (pause 1.10) 1577.0496 1234 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1577.0496 There are 1578.1053 1235 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1578.1053 (pause 2.55) 1580.6507 1236 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1580.6507 let's see, 1581.2624 1237 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1581.2624 (pause 3.98) 1585.2407 1238 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1585.2407 three 1585.6923 1239 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1585.6923 (pause 0.22) 1585.9120 1240 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1585.9120 school teachers 1586.9554 1241 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1586.9554 (pause 1.83) 1588.7828 1242 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1588.7828 and one 1589.7738 1243 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1589.7738 (pause 0.23) 1589.9996 1244 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1589.9996 accountant. 1590.9332 1245 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1590.9332 (pause 2.37) 1593.3008 1246 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1593.3008 And one recreation director. 1595.5236 1247 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1595.5236 (pause 1.89) 1597.4161 1248 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1597.4161 Well, no, he dropped out of this group, but I mean, he was part of the group for a long time. 1602.0904 1249 DTA_int_01 1602.3751 Mm-hm. 1602.5886 1250 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1603.1073 Um. 1603.8335 1251 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1603.8335 (pause 2.45) 1606.2843 1252 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1606.2843 Social workers 1607.4620 1253 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1607.4620 (pause 0.45) 1607.9168 1254 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1607.9168 like that. 1608.6063 1255 DTA_int_01 1608.8626 Mm-hm. 1609.0884 1256 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1609.3996 Now, uh 1610.3942 1257 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1610.3942 (pause 0.63) 1611.0247 1258 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1611.0247 you said tell you a little about each of [them?] 1613.2043 1259 DTA_int_01 1612.8513 [Well, just] 1613.3173 1260 DTA_int_01 1613.5019 uh, maybe 1614.1441 1261 DTA_int_01 1614.1441 (pause 0.09) 1614.2341 1262 DTA_int_01 1614.2341 what are some of your- 1615.0355 1263 DTA_int_01 1615.0355 (pause 0.12) 1615.1530 1264 DTA_int_01 1615.1530 what are some of the things that you do together? 1616.6835 1265 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1616.9741 Well, 1617.2571 1266 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1617.2571 (pause 0.39) 1617.6454 1267 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1617.6454 W- uh this club meets once a month during the, uh, 1621.7555 1268 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1621.7555 (pause 0.13) 1621.8898 1269 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1621.8898 winter time, that is from, um, 1623.9646 1270 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1623.9646 (pause 0.27) 1624.2392 1271 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1624.2392 September to May. 1626.2773 1272 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1626.2773 (pause 0.72) 1626.9974 1273 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1626.9974 And we play bridge. 1628.1775 1274 DTA_int_01 1628.3788 Hm. 1628.5802 1275 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1629.0684 First we have dinner. 1630.8990 1276 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1630.8990 (pause 0.47) 1631.3642 1277 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1631.3642 Then we play bridge. 1632.6335 1278 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1632.6335 (pause 0.47) 1633.1084 1279 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1633.1084 And, uh, 1633.9513 1280 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1633.9513 (pause 0.27) 1634.2190 1281 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1634.2190 there's 1634.8421 1282 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1634.8421 (pause 0.22) 1635.0618 1283 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1635.0618 usually 1635.7811 1284 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1635.7811 (pause 1.21) 1636.9862 1285 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1636.9862 some drinks 1638.2638 1286 DTA_int_01 1638.5819 Mm-hm. 1638.8260 1287 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1638.8345 I have a bourbon, scotch, and 1640.9703 1288 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1640.9703 (pause 0.81) 1641.7814 1289 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1641.7814 uh 1642.5910 1290 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1642.5910 (pause 1.38) 1643.9756 1291 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1643.9756 and the mixes. 1644.9763 1292 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1644.9763 (pause 0.21) 1645.1899 1293 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1645.1899 It's usually those two drinks. 1647.1245 1294 DTA_int_01 1647.3258 Mm-hm. 1647.5760 1295 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1647.8567 Um. 1648.5829 1296 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1648.5829 (pause 1.96) 1650.5411 1297 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1650.5411 The- the uh, excuse for getting together, of course, is playing bridge, now 1655.0588 1298 DTA_int_01 1655.0457 Hm. 1655.2550 1299 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1655.3944 we've been playing for five or six years 1658.1885 1300 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1658.1885 (pause 0.72) 1658.9093 1301 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1658.9093 continually. 1659.7567 1302 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1659.7567 (pause 1.01) 1660.7625 1303 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1660.7625 But, um, 1661.6840 1304 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1661.6840 (pause 1.70) 1663.3865 1305 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1663.3865 we're not serious bridge players in that uh, 1666.7473 1306 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1666.7473 (pause 0.14) 1666.8843 1307 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1666.8843 uh, 1667.3865 1308 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1667.3865 (pause 0.08) 1667.4703 1309 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1667.4703 we- we play an informal type of bridge, I mean, just for the fun of it. 1671.5078 1310 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1671.5078 (pause 0.59) 1672.0997 1311 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1672.0997 And, um, 1672.9418 1312 DTA_int_01 1673.2125 A lot of good talk and, 1674.1967 1313 DTA_int_01 1674.1967 (pause 0.53) 1674.7259 1314 DTA_int_01 1674.7259 [/inaudible/] 1675.4299 1315 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1674.8855 [Well yes], i- the game get's uh, get's a little- you get a little concentrated on it after 1680.4297 1316 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1680.6554 you know, the first 1681.2164 1317 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1681.2164 (pause 0.70) 1681.9188 1318 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1681.9188 rubber. 1682.4741 1319 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1682.4741 (pause 0.35) 1682.8233 1320 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1682.8233 But uh, i- it's not a, uh, vindictive kind of bridge [playing, I mean] if a person makes a mistake, uh it's- it doesn't matter. 1691.7292 1321 DTA_int_01 1687.2562 [] 1687.9281 1322 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1691.9855 Uh. Then at the end of the evening, 1694.1634 1323 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1694.1634 (pause 0.49) 1694.6577 1324 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1694.6577 uh, the scores are counted and 1696.5804 1325 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1696.5804 (pause 0.16) 1696.7451 1326 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1696.7451 the prizes are awarded to the two 1698.8809 1327 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1698.8809 (pause 0.68) 1699.5638 1328 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1699.5638 with the highest [scores.] 1700.9384 1329 DTA_int_01 1700.8987 [Hm.] 1701.1076 1330 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1701.4737 And then we 1702.4562 1331 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1702.4562 (pause 0.24) 1702.6988 1332 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1702.6988 say good night and 1703.7178 1333 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1703.7178 (pause 1.47) 1705.1885 1334 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1705.1885 we don't, uh, usually see these people 1708.2612 1335 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1708.2612 (pause 0.25) 1708.5114 1336 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1708.5114 between 1709.2986 1337 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1709.2986 (pause 0.23) 1709.5244 1338 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1709.5244 times except the one man that I might run into on the job, or maybe 1713.4539 1339 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1713.4539 (pause 0.31) 1713.7651 1340 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1713.7651 on the street or 1714.9855 1341 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1714.9855 (pause 0.48) 1715.4615 1342 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1715.4615 uh, at some other gathering, but 1717.3790 1343 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1717.3790 (pause 0.48) 1717.8550 1344 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1717.8550 t- uh 1718.1205 1345 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1718.1205 (pause 0.19) 1718.3097 1346 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1718.3097 we- we don't continue the relationship 1721.1350 1347 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1721.1350 (pause 0.26) 1721.3974 1348 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1721.3974 between 1722.1846 1349 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1722.1846 (pause 0.39) 1722.5751 1350 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1722.5751 the times that we meet, and we meet at um 1725.7662 1351 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1725.7662 (pause 0.26) 1726.0224 1352 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1726.0224 each person's house in rotation. 1728.0160 1353 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1728.0160 (pause 0.29) 1728.3028 1354 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1728.3028 And uh, the club has to have uh, 1730.8474 1355 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1730.8474 (pause 0.45) 1731.2976 1356 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1731.2976 I mean the people have to be 1732.5094 1357 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1732.5094 (pause 0.32) 1732.8328 1358 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1732.8328 couples, 1733.4782 1359 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1733.4782 (pause 0.09) 1733.5637 1360 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1733.5637 [married] couples because they- um, 1735.7823 1361 DTA_int_01 1733.5637 [Oh.] 1733.8921 1362 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1736.3939 they, uh, 1737.1201 1363 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1737.1201 (pause 0.27) 1737.3895 1364 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1737.3895 make up the number of tables that we need. 1740.3383 1365 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1740.3383 (pause 0.46) 1740.7960 1366 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1740.7960 And if, uh, one person is without a- 1743.3909 1367 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1743.3909 (pause 0.32) 1743.7143 1368 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1743.7143 a partner, then that uh 1745.4473 1369 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1745.4473 (pause 0.48) 1745.9294 1370 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1745.9294 leaves them short, you see. So 1747.7490 1371 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1747.7490 (pause 0.41) 1748.1639 1372 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1748.1639 the- the club is- is composed of all couples. 1750.9160 1373 DTA_int_01 1751.2900 Oh, I see. 1751.7264 1374 DTA_int_01 1751.7264 (pause 0.58) 1752.3097 1375 DTA_int_01 1752.3097 Are they um 1752.9803 1376 DTA_int_01 1752.9803 (pause 0.26) 1753.2397 1377 DTA_int_01 1753.2397 mostly your age? 1754.2746 1378 DTA_int_01 1754.2746 (pause 0.38) 1754.6591 1379 DTA_int_01 1754.6591 Uh, 1754.8849 1380 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1755.2571 [Yes. Uh. M-] very close. 1757.7698 1381 DTA_int_01 1755.2571 [or what? older, younger, or?] 1756.5951 1382 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1758.0292 The ages are very close. 1759.5980 1383 DTA_int_01 1760.3877 Uh. What about, do any of the people in the group speak other languages like 1763.7747 1384 DTA_int_01 1763.7747 (pause 0.44) 1764.2141 1385 DTA_int_01 1764.2141 well, Polish or Hungarian or 1765.8312 1386 DTA_int_01 1765.8312 (pause 0.57) 1766.3987 1387 DTA_int_01 1766.3987 languages like this? 1767.1313 1388 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1767.5459 [No.] 1768.0411 1389 DTA_int_01 1767.9795 [German?] 1768.3808 1390 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1768.6920 Uh. A- As a matter of fact, 1770.1765 1391 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1770.1765 (pause 0.73) 1770.9071 1392 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1770.9071 I would suspect that, uh, 1772.7095 1393 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1772.7095 (pause 0.54) 1773.2495 1394 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1773.2495 mm, several of them or most of them have studied a foreign language. But uh 1777.8688 1395 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1777.8688 (pause 0.30) 1778.1673 1396 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1778.1673 i- we don't speak it or they don't speak it even uh in- in other 1782.6670 1397 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1782.6670 (pause 0.17) 1782.8378 1398 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1782.8378 occasions. 1783.6677 1399 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1783.6677 (pause 0.76) 1784.4237 1400 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1784.4237 So that, um, 1785.5221 1401 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1785.5221 (pause 0.32) 1785.8455 1402 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1785.8455 I doubt whether, uh, 1787.3283 1403 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1787.3283 (pause 1.23) 1788.5583 1404 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1788.5583 I could put my finger on 1790.0842 1405 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1790.0842 (pause 0.28) 1790.3683 1406 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1790.3683 what language any of them 1792.0891 1407 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1792.0891 (pause 0.32) 1792.4065 1408 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1792.4065 uh would be proficient in. 1793.9747 1409 DTA_int_01 1794.1827 I see. 1794.5916 1410 DTA_int_01 1794.5916 (pause 0.24) 1794.8295 1411 DTA_int_01 1794.8295 Let n- uh. For example the 1796.2210 1412 DTA_int_01 1796.2210 (pause 0.67) 1796.8861 1413 DTA_int_01 1796.8861 uh 1797.3009 1414 DTA_int_01 1797.3009 (pause 0.63) 1797.9296 1415 DTA_int_01 1797.9296 m- like over in Hamtramck, there's a- 1799.9372 1416 DTA_int_01 1799.9372 (pause 0.28) 1800.2179 1417 DTA_int_01 1800.2179 there are Polish 1800.9684 1418 DTA_int_01 1800.9684 (pause 0.18) 1801.1515 1419 DTA_int_01 1801.1515 [you know] that 1801.8382 1420 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1801.1547 [Mm-hm.] 1801.6856 1421 DTA_int_01 1802.0396 speak m- it natively. 1803.3553 1422 DTA_int_01 1803.3553 (pause 0.68) 1804.0378 1423 DTA_int_01 1804.0378 I was [thinking more] i- in this sense, you know, where they speak another language natively. 1807.8910 1424 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1804.1488 [Mm-hm.] 1804.5577 1425 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1808.6705 1808.7498 1426 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1808.7498 (pause 0.13) 1808.8823 1427 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1808.8823 No. 1809.5291 1428 DTA_int_01 1809.7610 Oh, okay. 1810.4828 1429 DTA_int_01 1810.4828 (pause 0.28) 1810.7635 1430 DTA_int_01 1810.7635 Um. Are there any, uh, 1811.9883 1431 DTA_int_01 1811.9883 (pause 0.21) 1812.2019 1432 DTA_int_01 1812.2019 like Jewish people or other white people in the group at all? 1815.2134 1433 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1815.3721 No. 1815.9376 1434 DTA_int_01 1816.1694 Uh-huh. 1816.5050 1435 DTA_int_01 1816.5050 (pause 0.57) 1817.0725 1436 DTA_int_01 1817.0725 Um. 1817.4448 1437 DTA_int_01 1817.4448 (pause 0.40) 1817.8475 1438 DTA_int_01 1817.8475 In- 1818.4028 1439 DTA_int_01 1818.4028 (pause 0.27) 1818.6713 1440 DTA_int_01 1818.6713 in this group, is there's one person that 1820.4618 1441 DTA_int_01 1820.4618 (pause 0.35) 1820.8096 1442 DTA_int_01 1820.8096 everyone kind of uh, looks to for leadership? 1823.5131 1443 DTA_int_01 1823.5131 (pause 0.51) 1824.0196 1444 DTA_int_01 1824.0196 or maybe it isn't that type of group that you would have, you know, one 1827.3941 1445 DTA_int_01 1827.3941 (pause 0.45) 1827.8440 1446 DTA_int_01 1827.8440 uh, leader or a president or something like this? 1829.9110 1447 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1830.3931 Well, we- we don't have uh, we don't have any formal organization. 1833.7562 1448 DTA_int_01 1834.0796 [Mm-hm.] 1834.4153 1449 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1834.2078 [And] uh suggestions are thrown around 1837.2071 1450 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1837.6770 right and left. 1838.6106 1451 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1838.6106 (pause 0.20) 1838.8059 1452 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1838.8059 [Uh.] Anyone can come in with a suggestion. 1841.4566 1453 DTA_int_01 1838.8059 [Hm.] 1839.1627 1454 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1841.9082 And uh, the others consider it, now I don't think that there's 1845.5429 1455 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1845.5429 (pause 0.36) 1845.9030 1456 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1845.9030 any one person in the group who is uh, listened to more than uh any other person. 1851.6073 1457 DTA_int_01 1851.7294 Hm. 1851.9490 1458 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1852.6934 It's- it's a very democratic relaxed [group of] people. I- I- I enjoy being with them. 1858.0999 1459 DTA_int_01 1854.8996 [] 1855.3916 1460 DTA_int_01 1858.3867 Uh-huh. 1858.6393 1461 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1858.7675 It's- it's one of, uh, my uh, 1861.3548 1462 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1861.3548 (pause 0.54) 1861.8918 1463 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1861.8918 best social outlets because uh, 1864.0628 1464 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1864.0628 (pause 0.93) 1864.9893 1465 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1864.9893 uh, in all the time that we've been 1866.9664 1466 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1866.9664 (pause 0.90) 1867.8634 1467 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1867.8634 together, 1868.6689 1468 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1868.6689 (pause 0.50) 1869.1684 1469 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1869.1684 uh 1869.9372 1470 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1869.9372 (pause 0.23) 1870.1630 1471 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1870.1630 w- we- we've had a closer 1872.5063 1472 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1872.5063 (pause 0.53) 1873.0404 1473 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1873.0404 friendship for the time that we 1875.2982 1474 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1875.2982 (pause 0.29) 1875.5850 1475 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1875.5850 were together 1876.5639 1476 DTA_int_01 1876.5145 Mm-hm. 1876.7922 1477 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1877.0861 than uh, any other group I've ever been in. And, uh, 1880.1042 1478 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1880.1042 (pause 0.76) 1880.8670 1479 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1880.8670 while we don't 1881.6280 1480 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1881.6280 (pause 0.11) 1881.7382 1481 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1881.7382 p- get together with, um, 1883.8117 1482 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1883.8117 (pause 0.21) 1884.0244 1483 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1884.0244 these people between times, still 1886.5510 1484 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1886.5510 (pause 0.28) 1886.8317 1485 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1886.8317 we do feel a closeness to them anyways. 1889.1506 1486 DTA_int_01 1889.1506 Mm. 1889.3398 1487 DTA_int_01 1889.3398 (pause 0.54) 1889.8798 1488 DTA_int_01 1889.8798 Good. 1890.2413 1489 DTA_int_01 1890.2413 (pause 1.22) 1891.4572 1490 DTA_int_01 1891.4572 Um. 1891.8599 1491 DTA_int_01 1891.8599 (pause 0.99) 1892.8463 1492 DTA_int_01 1892.8463 When you were in, uh, 1893.7861 1493 DTA_int_01 1893.7861 (pause 0.53) 1894.3190 1494 DTA_int_01 1894.3190 well, let's say in high school, 1895.5029 1495 DTA_int_01 1895.5029 (pause 0.67) 1896.1741 1496 DTA_int_01 1896.1741 uh, 1896.5524 1497 DTA_int_01 1896.5524 (pause 1.28) 1897.8278 1498 DTA_int_01 1897.8278 what did you want to be 1898.7982 1499 DTA_int_01 1898.7982 (pause 0.14) 1898.9386 1500 DTA_int_01 1898.9386 when you uh 1899.6159 1501 DTA_int_01 1899.6159 (pause 0.27) 1899.8865 1502 DTA_int_01 1899.8865 got out of school, like finished college and so forth. Did you have an idea of what you were aiming towards? 1904.1952 1503 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1905.6628 Yes, 1906.5525 1504 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1906.5525 (pause 0.13) 1906.6857 1505 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1906.6857 um, 1907.6704 1506 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1907.6704 (pause 0.30) 1907.9694 1507 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1907.9694 I had the idea to be a- uh, a 1910.9303 1508 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1910.9303 (pause 0.29) 1911.2232 1509 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1911.2232 a social worker [in high] school. I- uh, 1913.9386 1510 DTA_int_01 1912.3340 [Mm-hm.] 1912.6025 1511 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1914.1583 I think that, uh, 1915.3671 1512 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1915.3671 (pause 0.51) 1915.8809 1513 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1915.8809 the 1916.3739 1514 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1916.3739 (pause 1.75) 1918.1275 1515 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1918.1275 m- my inclination was 1920.0525 1516 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1920.0525 (pause 0.29) 1920.3393 1517 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1920.3393 in that direction. 1921.5890 1518 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1921.5890 (pause 0.37) 1921.9551 1519 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1921.9551 Uh, 1922.5228 1520 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1922.5228 (pause 0.13) 1922.6571 1521 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1922.6571 particularly because of the surroundings that, uh, I lived in. 1927.0717 1522 DTA_int_01 1927.2974 Uh-huh. 1927.5049 1523 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1927.6025 Um. 1928.2372 1524 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1928.2372 (pause 0.62) 1928.8596 1525 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1928.8596 The people who had the most influence on my life at that time 1933.8486 1526 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1933.8486 (pause 1.37) 1935.2212 1527 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1935.2212 were people, 1936.0511 1528 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1936.0511 (pause 0.19) 1936.2402 1529 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1936.2402 uh, who were altruistic. 1938.3092 1530 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1938.3092 (pause 0.84) 1939.1526 1531 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1939.1526 Uh. 1939.3112 1532 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1939.3112 (pause 0.57) 1939.8846 1533 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1939.8846 They um 1940.8915 1534 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1940.8915 (pause 0.81) 1941.7031 1535 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1941.7031 were dedicated to the service of other people. 1944.3881 1536 DTA_int_01 1944.5833 Mm-hm. 1944.9106 1537 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1945.2041 And I was brought up with that idea, so that 1947.6327 1538 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1947.6327 (pause 0.87) 1948.5051 1539 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1948.5051 when I graduated from high school and went to college, I enrolled immediately in the 1953.2027 1540 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1953.2027 (pause 0.13) 1953.3370 1541 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1953.3370 sociology courses. 1955.0395 1542 DTA_int_01 1955.2484 Mm. 1955.5338 1543 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1955.8569 And, uh, a- 1956.9553 1544 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1956.9553 (pause 0.22) 1957.1750 1545 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1957.1750 had a minor in education. 1958.9202 1546 DTA_int_01 1959.2163 Mm-hm. 1959.5019 1547 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1959.9816 So that, um, 1961.0494 1548 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1961.0494 (pause 2.31) 1963.3561 1549 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1963.3561 I 1963.9114 1550 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1963.9114 (pause 0.51) 1964.4256 1551 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1964.4256 graduated 1965.4584 1552 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1965.4584 (pause 0.50) 1965.9633 1553 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1965.9633 prepared to teach. 1967.1176 1554 DTA_int_01 1967.3190 Mm-hm. 1967.5448 1555 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1969.0041 And, um, 1969.9134 1556 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1969.9134 (pause 0.81) 1970.7249 1557 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1970.7249 uh, 1971.4267 1558 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1971.4267 (pause 0.95) 1972.3807 1559 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1972.3807 so I would say that uh, I was inclined in that direction 1975.7532 1560 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1975.7532 (pause 0.24) 1975.9973 1561 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1975.9973 from the beginning. 1976.9858 1562 DTA_int_01 1978.5882 Uh. 1978.8855 1563 DTA_int_01 1978.8855 (pause 0.71) 1979.5962 1564 DTA_int_01 1979.5962 Well, maybe I should ask in this way, wh- wh- what work are you engaged in now? 1982.8060 1565 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1983.8379 Well, 1984.1796 1566 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1984.1796 (pause 0.23) 1984.4115 1567 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1984.4115 now, I'm engaged (laughing) in a- uh, in a sort of 1987.9256 1568 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1987.9256 (pause 0.17) 1988.0955 1569 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1988.0955 social work, it's not 1989.8234 1570 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1989.8234 (pause 0.56) 1990.3838 1571 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1990.3838 what you would call 1991.4146 1572 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1991.4146 (pause 0.16) 1991.5732 1573 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1991.5732 social case work. 1992.8734 1574 DTA_int_01 1992.9584 Mm-hm. 1993.2025 1575 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1993.8127 But 1994.3806 1576 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1994.3806 (pause 0.26) 1994.6412 1577 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1994.6412 I work for the, 1995.9574 1578 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1995.9574 (pause 0.21) 1996.1629 1579 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1996.1629 um, 1996.8685 1580 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1996.8685 (pause 0.71) 1997.5825 1581 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1997.5825 City of Detroit 1998.7314 1582 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1998.7314 (pause 0.69) 1999.4210 1583 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 1999.4210 in uh 2000.6188 1584 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2000.6188 (pause 0.13) 2000.7469 1585 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2000.7469 the housing commission. 2001.8882 1586 DTA_int_01 2002.1018 Mm. 2002.3762 1587 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2002.6996 Now, 2003.1967 1588 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2003.1967 (pause 0.34) 2003.5323 1589 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2003.5323 the division that I'm assigned to is 2006.4734 1590 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2006.4734 (pause 0.09) 2006.5647 1591 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2006.5647 relocation. 2007.6346 1592 DTA_int_01 2007.9094 Hm. 2008.1350 1593 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2008.3120 Uh. It's our responsibility to 2011.3079 1594 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2011.3079 (pause 0.51) 2011.8204 1595 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2011.8204 find, uh, decent, safe and sanitary 2014.7885 1596 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2014.7885 (pause 0.56) 2015.3499 1597 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2015.3499 housing for the 2016.8327 1598 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2016.8327 (pause 0.42) 2017.2501 1599 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2017.2501 families and individuals who are displaced 2020.3133 1600 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2020.3133 (pause 0.57) 2020.8860 1601 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2020.8860 because of urban renewal. 2022.5214 1602 DTA_int_01 2022.6826 Mm-hm. 2022.9328 1603 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2023.6956 Uh- I- I got into that, 2026.0421 1604 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2026.0421 (pause 0.50) 2026.5379 1605 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2026.5379 uh, as a result of 2028.3990 1606 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2028.3990 (pause 0.37) 2028.7713 1607 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2028.7713 working for the housing commission in the public housing projects. 2032.6844 1608 DTA_int_01 2032.6844 Mm-hm. 2033.0200 1609 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2033.2805 Now in- in the housing projects, 2035.4730 1610 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2035.4730 (pause 0.48) 2035.9553 1611 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2035.9553 I was a housing aid. 2037.4442 1612 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2037.4442 (pause 1.30) 2038.7472 1613 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2038.7472 And the duties there 2040.4863 1614 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2040.4863 (pause 1.75) 2042.2339 1615 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2042.2339 uh 2043.1004 1616 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2043.1004 (pause 0.84) 2043.9425 1617 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2043.9425 consisted of 2044.8761 1618 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2044.8761 (pause 1.50) 2046.3757 1619 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2046.3757 tenant relations more- more than anything 2049.2498 1620 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2049.2498 (pause 0.43) 2049.6830 1621 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2049.6830 to- to 2050.4098 1622 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2050.4098 (pause 0.10) 2050.5125 1623 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2050.5125 solve the problems of the tenants as they related to the management. 2054.7707 1624 DTA_int_01 2055.2894 Mm-hm. 2055.5213 1625 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2055.5966 As they related to other tenants 2057.8239 1626 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2057.8239 (pause 0.47) 2058.2938 1627 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2058.2938 and as they related to 2060.1610 1628 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2060.1610 (pause 0.33) 2060.4925 1629 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2060.4925 other agencies, for example 2062.6282 1630 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2062.6282 (pause 0.38) 2063.0066 1631 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2063.0066 um 2063.5191 1632 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2063.5191 (pause 0.44) 2063.9542 1633 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2063.9542 the 2064.3752 1634 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2064.3752 (pause 0.23) 2064.6010 1635 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2064.6010 public assistance agencies, 2066.5720 1636 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2066.5720 (pause 0.48) 2067.0488 1637 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2067.0488 or the schools. 2068.4794 1638 DTA_int_01 2068.8733 [Mm-hm.] 2069.1235 1639 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2069.0991 [And] so forth. Where- where ever, 2070.9847 1640 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2071.5047 uh, we could be of help 2073.4574 1641 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2073.4574 (pause 0.34) 2073.7930 1642 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2073.7930 to the tenants 2074.8461 1643 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2074.8461 (pause 0.38) 2075.2244 1644 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2075.2244 in solving a problem, 2076.9086 1645 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2076.9086 (pause 0.48) 2077.3845 1646 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2077.3845 uh, we acted as liaison or as a referral 2081.7381 1647 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2081.7381 (pause 0.64) 2082.3788 1648 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2082.3788 uh, resource to- to get the person lined up with the service they needed. 2087.2258 1649 DTA_int_01 2087.4943 Mm-hm. 2087.8421 1650 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2088.0435 I, um, 2088.9466 1651 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2088.9466 (pause 0.30) 2089.2456 1652 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2089.2456 also 2090.0990 1653 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2090.0990 (pause 0.31) 2090.4041 1654 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2090.4041 did quite a bit of, um, 2091.9168 1655 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2091.9168 (pause 2.03) 2093.9427 1656 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2093.9427 uh advising and homemaking, inspection- inspecting 2097.9493 1657 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2097.9493 (pause 0.37) 2098.3235 1658 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2098.3235 units that uh the tenants occupied 2101.2721 1659 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2101.2721 (pause 0.37) 2101.6440 1660 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2101.6440 to see that they were using the facilities properly. 2105.0063 1661 DTA_int_01 2105.1344 Mm-hm. 2105.4456 1662 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2105.6714 Uh. And that they um, 2107.7520 1663 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2107.7520 (pause 0.73) 2108.4782 1664 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2108.4782 uh knew how to take care of the equipment. 2111.5127 1665 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2111.5127 (pause 3.62) 2115.1309 1666 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2115.1309 Um. 2115.8204 1667 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2115.8204 (pause 2.74) 2118.5627 1668 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2118.5627 We did a lot of leasing. 2120.1065 1669 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2120.1065 (pause 0.37) 2120.4807 1670 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2120.4807 Explaining the terms and conditions under which the 2124.3678 1671 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2124.3678 (pause 0.27) 2124.6363 1672 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2124.6363 people were renting the homes. 2126.3908 1673 DTA_int_01 2126.5800 Mm-hm. 2126.8668 1674 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2127.7416 Well, um, 2128.8094 1675 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2128.8094 (pause 1.42) 2130.2257 1676 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2130.2257 when the urban renewal program started, they 2132.8075 1677 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2132.8075 (pause 0.25) 2133.0577 1678 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2133.0577 looked around for people to, uh, 2135.2901 1679 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2135.2901 (pause 0.51) 2135.7965 1680 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2135.7965 move into the 2136.7180 1681 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2136.7180 (pause 0.36) 2137.0780 1682 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2137.0780 i- to build up the urban renewal division, and particularly relocation. 2142.2794 1683 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2142.2794 (pause 0.79) 2143.0649 1684 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2143.0649 And, uh, 2143.9436 1685 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2143.9436 (pause 0.54) 2144.4789 1686 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2144.4789 I started there with the supervisor, he and I were 2147.8098 1687 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2147.8098 (pause 0.61) 2148.4200 1688 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2148.4200 uh 2148.9905 1689 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2148.9905 (pause 0.68) 2149.6678 1690 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2149.6678 the- the first two on the staff, now he's the- 2152.6834 1691 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2152.6834 (pause 1.00) 2153.6841 1692 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2153.6841 the- uh, 2154.7520 1693 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2154.7520 (pause 0.96) 2155.7161 1694 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2155.7161 he's the supervisor in charge of the division and I'm his assistant and then we have 2160.5597 1695 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2160.5597 (pause 0.57) 2161.1272 1696 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2161.1272 people who work in the various project site offices who work directly with the people. 2166.9025 1697 DTA_int_01 2167.2644 Mm-hm. 2167.5310 1698 DTA_int_01 2167.5310 (pause 2.46) 2169.9945 1699 DTA_int_01 2169.9945 I understand that's quite a 2171.0013 1700 DTA_int_01 2171.0013 (pause 0.96) 2171.9652 1701 DTA_int_01 2171.9652 hot 2172.2642 1702 DTA_int_01 2172.2642 (pause 0.74) 2173.0087 1703 DTA_int_01 2173.0087 debate going on about this 2174.4244 1704 DTA_int_01 2174.4244 (pause 1.20) 2175.6236 1705 DTA_int_01 2175.6236 project done- It's been done by Wayne State? 2177.3383 1706 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2177.6373 [ Yes um.] 2178.6362 1707 DTA_int_01 2177.7113 [Wayne /???/] 2178.6362 1708 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2178.8498 That's [the um] 2179.9460 1709 DTA_int_01 2179.3502 [/at large/?] 2180.0885 1710 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2180.3487 University City Project Number Two. 2182.9397 1711 DTA_int_01 2183.0617 Hm. 2183.2509 1712 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2183.6658 The, 2183.9648 1713 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2183.9648 (pause 0.32) 2184.2821 1714 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2184.2821 uh, first part, 2185.7280 1715 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2185.7280 (pause 0.18) 2185.9031 1716 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2185.9031 The University City Project Number One has been cleared totally. 2189.9654 1717 DTA_int_01 2190.1586 Hm. 2190.3681 1718 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2190.5207 And the- the discussion now is 2193.1841 1719 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2193.1841 (pause 0.49) 2193.6723 1720 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2193.6723 whether or not 2194.6857 1721 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2194.6857 (pause 0.21) 2194.8932 1722 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2194.8932 there- the city will agree 2196.8032 1723 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2196.8032 (pause 0.63) 2197.4353 1724 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2197.4353 to have, uh, residential 2199.5508 1725 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2199.5508 (pause 0.27) 2199.8193 1726 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2199.8193 buildings, uh, put 2201.5279 1727 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2201.5279 (pause 1.17) 2202.6983 1728 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2202.6983 mixed in with the, uh, university use in, uh, University City Number Two. 2207.4875 1729 DTA_int_01 2207.6583 Oh. 2207.9024 1730 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2208.2869 There are groups in the area who insist that, um, 2211.3892 1731 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2211.3892 (pause 0.97) 2212.3594 1732 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2212.3594 they should do it because the housing is needed. 2214.6368 1733 DTA_int_01 2214.8077 Mm-hm. 2215.0456 1734 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2215.5826 And uh 2216.5346 1735 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2216.5346 (pause 0.54) 2217.0716 1736 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2217.0716 as I understand it, the 2218.5366 1737 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2218.5366 (pause 0.57) 2219.1102 1738 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2219.1102 original reuse plan didn't call for very much, 2222.0288 1739 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2222.0288 (pause 0.61) 2222.6390 1740 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2222.6390 uh, housing, especially for people not connected with the university. 2227.0175 1741 DTA_int_01 2227.2250 Mm-hm. 2227.4569 1742 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2228.0976 So, um, 2228.9886 1743 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2228.9886 (pause 1.16) 2230.1451 1744 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2230.1451 the 2230.6577 1745 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2230.6577 (pause 0.20) 2230.8591 1746 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2230.8591 uh discussions are going on and it's my feeling that the city will concede 2236.4772 1747 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2236.4772 (pause 0.46) 2236.9349 1748 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2236.9349 and they they will put in housing for the 2239.6748 1749 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2239.6748 (pause 0.54) 2240.2179 1750 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2240.2179 uh displaced people and for other low income groups as well 2245.0050 1751 DTA_int_01 2245.1637 Hm. 2245.3407 1752 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2245.4017 in some sections of the uh 2247.3670 1753 DTA_int_01 2247.4219 It seems [pretty basic] you know, yeah. 2249.2525 1754 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2247.8979 [projects.] 2248.3862 1755 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2249.3319 Yeah, well, i- [it um, i- it] is, it's- it's something 2252.8659 1756 DTA_int_01 2250.2070 [/Very positive/.] 2251.1223 1757 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2253.2259 that's needed, 2253.9398 1758 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2253.9398 (pause 0.44) 2254.3792 1759 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2254.3792 uh, at this time, at the time that the project was originally conceived. 2258.9494 1760 DTA_int_01 2259.0709 Mm-hm. 2259.3410 1761 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2259.5169 There was an abundance of relocation housing. 2262.9632 1762 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2262.9632 (pause 0.41) 2263.3781 1763 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2263.3781 And uh, there was no problem really, 2266.0827 1764 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2266.0827 (pause 0.25) 2266.3329 1765 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2266.3329 but 2266.5830 1766 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2266.5830 (pause 0.15) 2266.7356 1767 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2266.7356 about eighteen months ago, 2268.3954 1768 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2268.3954 (pause 0.45) 2268.8493 1769 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2268.8493 the uh, balance changed. 2271.1560 1770 DTA_int_01 2271.3695 Mm. 2271.5770 1771 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2271.5770 And the housing market grew tighter. 2274.2969 1772 DTA_int_01 2274.5288 Oh yeah. 2274.9102 1773 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2274.8630 And when that happened, well people began to be apprehensive as to where they were gonna move and these groups formed 2281.3205 1774 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2281.8009 in order to see that, uh, 2283.6978 1775 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2283.6978 (pause 0.75) 2284.4503 1776 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2284.4503 adequate housing would be provided. 2286.3481 1777 DTA_int_01 2286.7307 Hm. 2286.9278 1778 DTA_int_01 2286.9278 (pause 2.15) 2289.0803 1779 DTA_int_01 2289.0803 Well, you're- 2289.5014 1780 DTA_int_01 2289.5014 (pause 0.77) 2290.2703 1781 DTA_int_01 2290.2703 you have a big job on your hands huh? 2291.7897 1782 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2292.4677 Well, it's very interesting, no two days are alike. 2295.1587 1783 DTA_int_01 2295.2782 Yeah. 2295.6138 1784 DTA_int_01 2295.6138 (pause 0.11) 2295.7262 1785 DTA_int_01 2295.7262 /??/ 2296.4279 1786 DTA_int_01 2296.4279 (pause 2.57) 2299.0017 1787 DTA_int_01 2299.0017 Um. 2299.3922 1788 DTA_int_01 2299.3922 (pause 0.40) 2299.7949 1789 DTA_int_01 2299.7949 If- uh, let's say that 2301.0642 1790 DTA_int_01 2301.0642 (pause 0.65) 2301.7110 1791 DTA_int_01 2301.7110 uh, that you could go 2302.6752 1792 DTA_int_01 2302.6752 (pause 0.54) 2303.2175 1793 DTA_int_01 2303.2175 back to grade school again. 2304.4304 1794 DTA_int_01 2304.4304 (pause 0.36) 2304.7905 1795 DTA_int_01 2304.7905 i- if you had a- to- to do it all over again, would you do anything differently? 2308.0533 1796 DTA_int_01 2308.0533 (pause 0.82) 2308.8701 1797 DTA_int_01 2308.8701 Would you make any different decisions 2310.3244 1798 DTA_int_01 2310.3244 (pause 0.81) 2311.1384 1799 DTA_int_01 2311.1384 about your 2311.5228 1800 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2311.8524 [Oh] my golly, /?/ (laughing) 2313.8880 1801 DTA_int_01 2311.8646 [life?] 2312.1209 1802 DTA_int_01 2314.2114 [] 2314.8644 1803 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2314.4921 [I don't think] that's a fair [question.] 2316.7194 1804 DTA_int_01 2316.2801 [] 2316.8598 1805 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2317.3127 Do you really? 2318.1253 1806 DTA_int_01 2319.2481 I don't know. 2319.6569 1807 DTA_int_01 2319.6569 (pause 1.64) 2321.2958 1808 DTA_int_01 2321.2958 I- maybe it isn't. 2322.1562 1809 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2322.5163 Well, 2322.7420 1810 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2322.7420 (pause 0.54) 2323.2837 1811 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2323.2837 [actually] in the light of a- of a person's experience, i- they couldn't help but say that there are certain things that they'd do differently. 2330.3446 1812 DTA_int_01 2323.4987 [/?/] 2323.7091 1813 DTA_int_01 2330.4395 Uh-huh. 2330.6680 1814 DTA_int_01 2330.6680 (pause 0.33) 2330.9975 1815 DTA_int_01 2330.9975 Would your want to do anything different? 2332.6657 1816 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2333.9209 [Well.] 2334.4334 1817 DTA_int_01 2333.9209 [/?/ That's] a better way to say it. 2335.3183 1818 DTA_int_01 2336.0632 Would you want to change some things in your life? 2338.1197 1819 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2338.9007 Certainly. I- I'm certain that I would and I'd like to see the man who would, uh, would live a life and say uh, I wouldn't want to change a thing. I mean he's pretty happy. 2348.3001 1820 DTA_int_01 2348.5503 Uh-huh. 2348.7699 1821 DTA_int_01 2348.7699 (pause 2.25) 2351.0202 1822 DTA_int_01 2351.0202 Um. 2351.3849 1823 DTA_int_01 2351.3849 (pause 0.12) 2351.5008 1824 DTA_int_01 2351.5008 Here's another one that's kind of uh 2353.3756 1825 DTA_int_01 2353.3756 (pause 1.08) 2354.4572 1826 DTA_int_01 2354.4572 well, it's kind of an impossible situation, but suppose you had all the financial security that you could ever want. What would you- 2359.6093 1827 DTA_int_01 2359.6093 (pause 0.31) 2359.9144 1828 DTA_int_01 2359.9144 what would you do 2360.4256 1829 DTA_int_01 2360.4256 (pause 0.80) 2361.2250 1830 DTA_int_01 2361.2250 with this? 2361.7451 1831 DTA_int_01 2361.7451 (pause 0.25) 2361.9944 1832 DTA_int_01 2361.9944 2362.1774 1833 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2363.7893 Well, in- in light of previous experiences, I would say that 2367.6618 1834 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2367.6618 (pause 0.40) 2368.0584 1835 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2368.0584 uh, my first inclination would be to travel. 2370.7617 1836 DTA_int_01 2370.9691 Mm-hm. 2371.2111 1837 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2373.5771 And, um, 2374.5257 1838 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2374.5257 (pause 1.64) 2376.1672 1839 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2376.1672 we've discussed, uh, 2377.4426 1840 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2377.4426 (pause 1.09) 2378.5305 1841 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2378.5305 things like this, 2379.7570 1842 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2379.7570 (pause 0.41) 2380.1720 1843 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2380.1720 my wife and I, and, uh, 2381.6564 1844 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2381.6564 (pause 0.87) 2382.5229 1845 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2382.5229 she's inclined to see America first 2384.8540 1846 DTA_int_01 2385.1829 Mm-hm. 2385.4392 1847 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2385.6145 and uh 2386.6413 1848 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2386.6413 (pause 0.55) 2387.1889 1849 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2387.1889 I think that there are places that I would rather see first. 2390.3610 1850 DTA_int_01 2390.5523 Mm-hm. 2390.7882 1851 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2391.6913 But uh, I think that we generally agree that 2394.7493 1852 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2394.7493 (pause 0.50) 2395.2465 1853 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2395.2465 we'd make arrangements to see as much as what there is to see as we could. 2400.0591 1854 DTA_int_01 2400.4278 Mm-hm. 2400.6536 1855 DTA_int_01 2400.6536 (pause 1.97) 2402.6267 1856 DTA_int_01 2402.6267 Um. 2402.9135 1857 DTA_int_01 2402.9135 (pause 0.55) 2403.4641 1858 DTA_int_01 2403.4641 What do they call this part of town 2405.0202 1859 DTA_int_01 2405.0202 (pause 0.35) 2405.3674 1860 DTA_int_01 2405.3674 here, that 2406.0775 1861 DTA_int_01 2406.0775 (pause 0.45) 2406.5229 1862 DTA_int_01 2406.5229 you live in. Is there any special name for the neighborhood? 2408.4939 1863 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2409.2594 No, thi- this particular neighborhood 2411.8406 1864 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2411.8406 (pause 0.44) 2412.2800 1865 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2412.2800 doesn't have a, uh, subdivision title. 2415.3292 1866 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2415.3292 (pause 0.85) 2416.1774 1867 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2416.1774 Uh. Some of the neighborhoods 2418.5023 1868 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2418.5023 (pause 0.37) 2418.8684 1869 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2418.8684 around here do, but, uh, 2421.2055 1870 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2421.2055 (pause 0.60) 2421.8097 1871 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2421.8097 but this is just the- um, 2423.8173 1872 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2423.8173 (pause 1.56) 2425.3796 1873 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2425.3796 the, uh, boulevard Dexter 2428.0106 1874 DTA_int_01 2428.3082 [Mm-hm.] 2428.6499 1875 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2428.3279 [Joy Road] area. I mean, it's- it's just designated by the 2432.3052 1876 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2432.8422 main boundaries of the neighborhood, 2434.7705 1877 DTA_int_01 2435.1305 I see. 2435.5272 1878 DTA_int_01 2435.5272 (pause 1.94) 2437.4625 1879 DTA_int_01 2437.4625 Um. How large would this 2438.9923 1880 DTA_int_01 2438.9923 (pause 0.16) 2439.1540 1881 DTA_int_01 2439.1540 would the neighborhood be then? 2440.3841 1882 DTA_int_01 2440.3841 (pause 0.87) 2441.2522 1883 DTA_int_01 2441.2522 Um. /?/ 2441.6611 1884 DTA_int_01 2441.6611 (pause 0.52) 2442.1798 1885 DTA_int_01 2442.1798 I- It probably does- 2442.9484 1886 DTA_int_01 2442.9484 (pause 1.01) 2443.9616 1887 DTA_int_01 2443.9616 probably varies from individual to individual, but what- 2445.8037 1888 DTA_int_01 2445.8037 (pause 0.50) 2446.3041 1889 DTA_int_01 2446.3041 what would your estimate be of boundaries? 2448.9280 1890 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2449.6786 I would say that this is about a two square mile area. 2452.8717 1891 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2452.8717 (pause 0.25) 2453.1218 1892 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2453.1218 It's about two miles from here 2454.9211 1893 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2454.9211 (pause 0.43) 2455.3482 1894 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2455.3482 down to, um, 2456.5878 1895 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2456.5878 (pause 0.29) 2456.8746 1896 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2456.8746 the, uh, West Grand Boulevard. 2458.7480 1897 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2458.7480 (pause 0.60) 2459.3521 1898 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2459.3521 And uh, it's about uh 2461.2980 1899 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2461.2980 (pause 0.90) 2462.2011 1900 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2462.2011 two miles over to the Chrysler- uh what is that thing? 2466.4254 1901 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2466.4254 (pause 1.04) 2467.4689 1902 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2467.4689 The Chrysler Freeway. 2468.6827 1903 DTA_int_01 2468.7824 Hm. 2469.0122 1904 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2469.4645 Mm-hm. 2469.9282 1905 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2469.9282 (pause 0.87) 2470.8008 1906 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2470.8008 [Approximately.] 2471.5446 1907 DTA_int_01 2470.9009 [I-] 2471.1420 1908 DTA_int_01 2472.2250 Ho- ho- and how do you say the name of the city we live in? 2474.3120 1909 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2474.8123 This is Detroit. 2475.8367 1910 DTA_int_01 2476.0182 Yeah. 2476.2257 1911 DTA_int_01 2476.2257 (pause 0.27) 2476.4988 1912 DTA_int_01 2476.4988 Okay. 2476.6575 1913 DTA_int_01 2476.6575 (pause 1.14) 2477.7939 1914 DTA_int_01 2477.7939 That fellow there from Pennsylvania says Detroit, so [] we get variations. [] 2482.6200 1915 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2480.4544 [Well.] 2480.7534 1916 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2480.7534 (pause 1.31) 2482.0647 1917 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2482.0647 [Mm-hm.] 2482.6505 1918 DTA_int_01 2483.8770 Um, 2484.2310 1919 DTA_int_01 2484.2310 (pause 0.15) 2484.3774 1920 DTA_int_01 2484.3774 what are the 2485.2446 1921 DTA_int_01 2485.2446 (pause 0.35) 2485.5985 1922 DTA_int_01 2485.5985 large streets in Detroit? 2487.1423 1923 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2488.6440 Well, there's Woodward Avenue. 2490.1634 1924 DTA_int_01 2490.5678 Mm-hm. 2490.7631 1925 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2491.0604 There's Michigan Avenue. 2492.4316 1926 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2492.4316 (pause 1.20) 2493.6276 1927 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2493.6276 And 2494.0792 1928 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2494.0792 (pause 0.44) 2494.5186 1929 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2494.5186 there's 2494.9640 1930 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2494.9640 (pause 0.65) 2495.6159 1931 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2495.6159 East Jefferson. 2496.5922 1932 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2496.5922 (pause 1.20) 2497.7883 1933 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2497.7883 Um, there's, um, 2499.3748 1934 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2499.3748 (pause 2.43) 2501.8017 1935 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2501.8017 Gratiot. 2502.2898 1936 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2502.2898 (pause 1.38) 2503.6668 1937 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2503.6668 And, um, 2504.7164 1938 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2504.7164 (pause 0.69) 2505.4106 1939 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2505.4106 of course, the various mile roads. 2507.4311 1940 DTA_int_01 2507.5776 Mm-hm. 2507.8094 1941 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2508.4197 And there's, um, 2509.6584 1942 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2509.6584 (pause 1.42) 2511.0796 1943 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2511.0796 the- 2511.2768 1944 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2511.2768 (pause 0.20) 2511.4721 1945 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2511.4721 the Grand Boulevard, East and West. 2513.5388 1946 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2513.5388 (pause 0.69) 2514.2311 1947 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2514.2311 And there's Outer Drive, East and West. 2516.2753 1948 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2516.2753 (pause 0.74) 2517.0197 1949 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2517.0197 Those- 2517.5064 1950 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2517.5064 (pause 0.21) 2517.7199 1951 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2517.7199 Those are 2518.2630 1952 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2518.2630 (pause 0.32) 2518.5864 1953 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2518.5864 the main streets. /Now/ there are 2520.8291 1954 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2520.8291 (pause 0.65) 2521.4806 1955 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2521.4806 those sub-streets that 2523.0000 1956 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2523.0000 (pause 0.52) 2523.5248 1957 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2523.5248 are not, uh, as wide or as heavily traveled. 2527.4364 1958 DTA_int_01 2527.7477 Mm-hm. 2527.9551 1959 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2528.1077 Uh. 2528.7484 1960 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2528.7484 (pause 1.20) 2529.9438 1961 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2529.9438 Would you like for me to name some of those? 2531.6517 1962 DTA_int_01 2532.0223 Uh. 2532.3519 1963 DTA_int_01 2532.3519 (pause 0.83) 2533.1818 1964 DTA_int_01 2533.1818 Well, you hit the main ones that we're lo- we're looking for 2535.7527 1965 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2535.8809 [Mm-hm.] 2536.2958 1966 DTA_int_01 2536.1097 [What] about uh, the 2537.2587 1967 DTA_int_01 2537.8323 large, very large arteries? 2539.3837 1968 DTA_int_01 2539.3837 (pause 0.28) 2539.6687 1969 DTA_int_01 2539.6687 you mentioned one of them already 2540.9696 1970 DTA_int_01 2540.9696 (pause 0.59) 2541.5585 1971 DTA_int_01 2541.5585 in an earlier 2542.4696 1972 DTA_int_01 2542.4696 (pause 0.68) 2543.1469 1973 DTA_int_01 2543.1469 discussion. 2543.6839 1974 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2545.3101 I'm trying to think of which one it was. 2546.9821 1975 DTA_int_01 2547.6900 Well, uh 2548.3429 1976 DTA_int_01 2548.3429 (pause 0.56) 2548.9075 1977 DTA_int_01 2548.9075 for example, it comes in from Lansing. 2550.5917 1978 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2552.5322 From Lansing. 2553.9133 1979 DTA_int_01 2554.1307 The very large arteries. 2555.4121 1980 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2555.7477 Grand River? 2556.4312 1981 DTA_int_01 2557.6036 No, i- it would be a 2559.2566 1982 DTA_int_01 2559.2566 (pause 0.40) 2559.6540 1983 DTA_int_01 2559.6540 see Grand River has two-way traffic on it. This is, 2561.8347 1984 DTA_int_01 2561.8347 (pause 0.16) 2561.9995 1985 DTA_int_01 2561.9995 you know, separated and 2563.0127 1986 DTA_int_01 2563.0127 (pause 1.33) 2564.3406 1987 DTA_int_01 2564.3406 four lanes going each way from- 2566.1975 1988 DTA_int_01 2566.1975 (pause 1.06) 2567.2563 1989 DTA_int_01 2567.2563 there are multiple lanes on it. 2568.4647 1990 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2568.7879 Wait a minute now. I- you're- you're asking me for a word and I'm trying to give it to you to see if I can 2573.7238 1991 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2573.7238 (pause 0.49) 2574.2129 1992 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2574.2129 recall. From Lansing. 2575.7808 1993 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2575.7808 (pause 1.60) 2577.3854 1994 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2577.3854 Hm. 2577.6844 1995 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2577.6844 (pause 2.92) 2580.6011 1996 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2580.6011 By grams, I can't think of it. 2582.4376 1997 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2582.4376 (pause 0.50) 2582.9390 1998 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2582.9390 I'm sorry. 2583.5568 1999 DTA_int_01 2583.9167 Well you- th- 2584.5446 2000 DTA_int_01 2584.5446 (pause 0.36) 2584.9052 2001 DTA_int_01 2584.9052 some people call them highways. 2586.1340 2002 DTA_int_01 2586.1340 (pause 0.49) 2586.6283 2003 DTA_int_01 2586.6283 And uh, some of them call them [freeways.] 2588.5749 2004 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2588.3979 [Northwestern?] 2589.1851 2005 DTA_int_01 2590.8291 Yeah, well that too. 2592.2509 2006 DTA_int_01 2592.2509 (pause 1.22) 2593.4694 2007 DTA_int_01 2593.4694 Uh, but I was thinking of the three main ones, come right down into town, you know? 2596.6546 2008 DTA_int_01 2596.6546 (pause 0.37) 2597.0224 2009 DTA_int_01 2597.0224 One comes down and then it hits 2598.3771 2010 DTA_int_01 2598.3771 (pause 0.56) 2598.9401 2011 DTA_int_01 2598.9401 another one that crosses it. 2600.1178 2012 DTA_int_01 2600.1178 (pause 4.76) 2604.8768 2013 DTA_int_01 2604.8768 I'm probably just not making [/inaudible/.] 2606.8105 2014 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2605.7799 [Well, now when you say] from Lansing, I can only think of uh, 2609.3352 2015 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2609.7318 uh, I've been to Lansing and uh i- I've been on the uh 2613.8749 2016 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2613.8749 (pause 0.35) 2614.2231 2017 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2614.2231 freeway. 2614.8669 2018 DTA_int_01 2614.9981 Yeah. 2615.2333 2019 DTA_int_01 2615.2333 (pause 0.21) 2615.4407 2020 DTA_int_01 2615.4407 Yeah, well this is what I'm talking about. When you get down in here- here in Detroit, 2618.3691 2021 DTA_int_01 2618.3691 (pause 0.11) 2618.4795 2022 DTA_int_01 2618.4795 what do you call /the men that-/ 2619.5014 2023 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2619.4976 Well, there's [the um] John C. Lodge Freeway 2622.6988 2024 DTA_int_01 2620.1444 [/freeways/] 2620.7191 2025 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2623.1870 and there's the Walter Chrysler Freeway. 2625.7129 2026 DTA_int_01 2626.0074 Mm-hm. 2626.2438 2027 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2626.5245 And there's the, uh, Edsel Ford Freeway. 2629.3179 2028 DTA_int_01 2629.7283 Okay. 2629.8687 2029 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2630.7275 And um. 2631.7634 2030 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2631.7634 (pause 2.00) 2633.7595 2031 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2633.7595 There- there's the proposed Jeffries 2635.9685 2032 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2635.9685 (pause 0.21) 2636.1818 2033 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2636.1818 and the Fisher Freeways. 2637.8416 2034 DTA_int_01 2638.0064 Mm-hm. 2638.2810 2035 DTA_int_01 2638.2810 (pause 0.79) 2639.0748 2036 DTA_int_01 2639.0748 Um. I noticed you mentioned East Jefferson. 2641.0031 2037 DTA_int_01 2641.0031 (pause 0.32) 2641.3204 2038 DTA_int_01 2641.3204 [is it] 2641.9916 2039 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2641.4989 [Mm-hm.] 2641.9871 2040 DTA_int_01 2642.2752 wha- why did you 2643.2936 2041 DTA_int_01 2643.2936 (pause 0.18) 2643.4766 2042 DTA_int_01 2643.4766 why did you just mention East Jefferson? Is that a- 2645.3751 2043 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2645.4422 Well, East Jefferson is- is so much different 2648.1716 2044 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2648.1716 (pause 0.23) 2648.4019 2045 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2648.4019 than West Jefferson. [I mean] it uh 2650.7685 2046 DTA_int_01 2649.6044 [Oh.] 2649.8516 2047 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2651.1468 the- the West Jefferson goes through, 2653.6031 2048 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2653.6031 (pause 0.37) 2653.9753 2049 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2653.9753 uh, an industrial 2655.4826 2050 DTA_int_01 2656.1150 [Hm.] 2656.3980 2051 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2656.1485 [part] of the city and until you get 2659.1501 2052 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2659.3057 out 2659.8366 2053 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2659.8366 (pause 0.76) 2660.5932 2054 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2660.5932 to um 2661.5479 2055 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2661.5479 (pause 1.12) 2662.6707 2056 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2662.6707 oh almost to Outer Drive, out, uh, towards Ecorse, 2666.9038 2057 DTA_int_01 2667.1296 Mm-hm. 2667.4164 2058 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2667.6788 you- you don't have uh th- the same type of street as you have on West Jefferson- on East Jefferson. 2673.9312 2059 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2673.9312 (pause 0.43) 2674.3589 2060 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2674.3589 See, uh, 2675.1277 2061 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2675.1277 (pause 0.35) 2675.4817 2062 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2675.4817 East Jefferson, starting with the, uh, city county building, 2678.7213 2063 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2678.7213 (pause 0.50) 2679.2217 2064 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2679.2217 and going east, 2680.6989 2065 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2680.6989 (pause 0.45) 2681.1444 2066 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2681.1444 uh, 2681.8584 2067 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2681.8584 (pause 0.18) 2682.0353 2068 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2682.0353 sort of maintains its character all the way out to- um, 2685.7334 2069 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2685.7334 (pause 0.56) 2686.2887 2070 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2686.2887 to the uh, Alter Road, which is the city limits. 2689.2915 2071 DTA_int_01 2689.6140 I see. 2689.8184 2072 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2689.8145 But West Jefferson, 2691.3287 2073 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2691.7436 starting with, uh, 2693.2503 2074 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2693.2503 (pause 1.09) 2694.3442 2075 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2694.3442 Cobo Hall, I think it is 2696.3033 2076 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2696.3033 (pause 0.42) 2696.7244 2077 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2696.7244 uh, you- you pass the um 2699.1238 2078 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2699.1238 (pause 0.23) 2699.3557 2079 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2699.3557 l- the, um, freight docks 2701.6928 2080 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2701.6928 (pause 0.63) 2702.3199 2081 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2702.3199 and uh the 2703.7008 2082 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2703.7008 (pause 0.44) 2704.1402 2083 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2704.1402 boat loadings 2705.2494 2084 DTA_int_01 2705.6460 Oh [I.] 2705.9267 2085 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2705.8382 [and] there- there piles of coal and uh 2708.8275 2086 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2709.4804 sand and things like that going out, uh, 2712.2444 2087 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2712.2444 (pause 1.06) 2713.3001 2088 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2713.3001 West Jefferson. 2714.2659 2089 DTA_int_01 2714.3849 [Mm-hm.] 2714.5649 2090 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2714.3910 [Then] there's um 2715.6498 2091 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2715.8298 places like the 2716.7740 2092 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2716.7740 (pause 0.38) 2717.1584 2093 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2717.1584 Fort Wayne uh, 2718.6052 2094 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2718.6052 (pause 0.17) 2718.7764 2095 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2718.7764 m- um, army 2720.5798 2096 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2720.5798 (pause 0.22) 2720.7995 2097 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2720.7995 instillation. 2721.7758 2098 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2721.7758 (pause 0.65) 2722.4287 2099 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2722.4287 And then further out, you come to the entrance of Zug 2725.7048 2100 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2725.7048 (pause 0.14) 2725.8471 2101 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2725.8471 Island. 2726.4695 2102 DTA_int_01 2726.9638 Oh I. 2727.3849 2103 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2727.3971 And [uh.] 2728.6404 2104 DTA_int_01 2727.9601 [Is that a kind of] a vacation spot? 2729.3178 2105 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2729.3788 No. Zug Island is a (laughing) 2731.3837 2106 DTA_int_01 2731.1457 [I don't] I'm not that [familiar with /inaudible/.] 2732.8567 2107 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2732.0702 [It's um.] 2733.2692 2108 DTA_int_01 2733.2692 2733.9492 2109 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2733.9808 I- some kind of a- it's a commercial instillation 2737.4955 2110 DTA_int_01 2737.5718 Oh. 2737.8403 2111 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2737.9044 having to do with um 2739.4844 2112 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2739.4844 (pause 0.73) 2740.2167 2113 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2740.2167 really, I don't know. I've never been out there, but it's, uh, it's a heavy industry. 2745.4577 2114 DTA_int_01 2745.7226 Oh. 2745.9605 2115 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2747.9306 And uh 2748.9313 2116 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2748.9313 (pause 0.63) 2749.5598 2117 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2749.5598 after you get further out on Jefferson, you begin to reach the- 2753.8229 2118 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2753.8229 (pause 0.38) 2754.2012 2119 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2754.2012 the, um, 2754.8114 2120 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2754.8114 (pause 0.63) 2755.4379 2121 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2755.4379 river front 2756.3980 2122 DTA_int_01 2756.6101 Hm. 2756.7413 2123 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2756.8206 developments and from there on out to Trenton, it's- it's a very pleasant street. 2762.4799 2124 DTA_int_01 2762.5041 [Oh I see.] 2762.9961 2125 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2762.6078 [But uh] other- other than- that other stretch is strictly industrial. 2766.2513 2126 DTA_int_01 2766.5707 Uh-huh. 2766.8070 2127 DTA_int_01 2766.8070 (pause 1.31) 2768.1214 2128 DTA_int_01 2768.1214 Okay 2768.3991 2129 DTA_int_01 2768.3991 (pause 0.41) 2768.8104 2130 DTA_int_01 2768.8104 Um. 2769.1705 2131 DTA_int_01 2769.1705 (pause 0.27) 2769.4451 2132 DTA_int_01 2769.4451 Where were you born? 2770.0961 2133 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2770.7468 I was born in New Orleans. 2772.2828 2134 DTA_int_01 2772.2828 New Orleans. 2772.6642 2135 DTA_int_01 2772.6642 (pause 0.13) 2772.7892 2136 DTA_int_01 2772.7892 Uh-huh. 2773.0468 2137 DTA_int_01 2773.0468 (pause 0.74) 2773.7887 2138 DTA_int_01 2773.7887 Where else have you lived in Detroit? 2775.3961 2139 DTA_int_01 2775.3961 (pause 1.73) 2777.1217 2140 DTA_int_01 2777.1217 Probably the s- the streets. 2778.2811 2141 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2779.2700 Oh I lived on Roosevelt Street, 2781.7476 2142 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2781.7476 (pause 1.58) 2783.3295 2143 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2783.3295 and I lived on North Field Street. 2785.5873 2144 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2785.5873 (pause 1.56) 2787.1456 2145 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2787.1456 And I lived on Erskine Street. 2788.8777 2146 DTA_int_01 2789.3609 Mm-hm. 2789.6311 2147 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2791.7046 [Those are] the streets [besides this street.] 2794.3536 2148 DTA_int_01 2791.9213 [Yeah.] 2792.1767 2149 DTA_int_01 2792.1767 (pause 1.31) 2793.4841 2150 DTA_int_01 2793.4841 [Where-] 2793.7380 2151 DTA_int_01 2793.7380 (pause 0.33) 2794.0729 2152 DTA_int_01 2794.0729 [Whereabouts] are they in- 2794.9598 2153 DTA_int_01 2795.0940 in the city here? 2795.9239 2154 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2797.0861 All of them are on the west side, with the exception of Erskine Street, which is on the east side. 2802.3757 2155 DTA_int_01 2802.4001 Oh. 2802.5862 2156 DTA_int_01 2802.5862 (pause 1.52) 2804.1047 2157 DTA_int_01 2804.1047 Where else have you lived outside of Detroit then besides New Orleans? 2806.7793 2158 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2807.4550 I lived in Milwaukee 2809.1065 2159 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2809.1065 (pause 0.35) 2809.4529 2160 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2809.4529 for the most part. 2810.4903 2161 DTA_int_01 2811.5796 /I see/. 2811.9666 2162 DTA_int_01 2811.9666 (pause 0.77) 2812.7328 2163 DTA_int_01 2812.7328 And uh 2813.2461 2164 DTA_int_01 2813.2461 (pause 0.09) 2813.3346 2165 DTA_int_01 2813.3346 where are some of the places that you've gone on tr- in- on trips? 2816.4439 2166 DTA_int_01 2816.4439 (pause 0.44) 2816.8791 2167 DTA_int_01 2816.8791 Perhaps as a family. 2817.8962 2168 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2819.4227 Well, the first trip we went on as a family was to, um, 2822.9330 2169 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2822.9330 (pause 0.61) 2823.5426 2170 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2823.5426 Montreal and Quebec. 2824.9040 2171 DTA_int_01 2825.3205 Hm. 2825.4975 2172 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2826.2114 And, um, 2827.2333 2173 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2827.2333 (pause 0.74) 2827.9692 2174 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2827.9692 we've gone to 2829.0493 2175 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2829.0493 (pause 0.26) 2829.3056 2176 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2829.3056 Rochester, New York, 2830.6851 2177 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2830.6851 (pause 0.93) 2831.6187 2178 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2831.6187 we've gone to Cleveland, Ohio, 2833.4493 2179 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2833.4493 (pause 1.48) 2834.9294 2180 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2834.9294 and we've gone to Chicago, Illinois. 2837.6021 2181 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2837.6021 (pause 2.07) 2839.6750 2182 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2839.6750 And uh, we had uh, one brief visit to Milwaukee. 2843.2381 2183 DTA_int_01 2843.4394 Mm-hm. 2843.6683 2184 DTA_int_01 2843.6683 (pause 2.53) 2846.1988 2185 DTA_int_01 2846.1988 Um. 2846.5893 2186 DTA_int_01 2846.5893 (pause 0.96) 2847.5474 2187 DTA_int_01 2847.5474 Uh, 2847.8098 2188 DTA_int_01 2847.8098 (pause 0.23) 2848.0422 2189 DTA_int_01 2848.0422 some special days 2849.4396 2190 DTA_int_01 2849.4396 (pause 0.66) 2850.1009 2191 DTA_int_01 2850.1009 maybe this is one for the children, toward the end of October, there's this real scary day. What would that be? 2854.2228 2192 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2854.5401 Halloween. 2855.1647 2193 DTA_int_01 2855.2684 Uh-huh. 2855.5430 2194 DTA_int_01 2855.5430 (pause 0.38) 2855.9275 2195 DTA_int_01 2855.9275 And uh, 2856.4522 2196 DTA_int_01 2856.4522 (pause 0.48) 2856.9341 2197 DTA_int_01 2856.9341 at least I remember uh, we used carve a face on. Wha- what did you? 2860.3454 2198 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2860.5682 Pumpkins. 2861.3783 2199 DTA_int_01 2861.4698 [Uh-huh.]/ 2861.6743 2200 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2861.5766 [Yeah.] 2861.8740 2201 DTA_int_01 2862.3749 And uh, 2862.9546 2202 DTA_int_01 2862.9546 (pause 0.41) 2863.3635 2203 DTA_int_01 2863.3635 The lady on the broomstick, /what's/ supposed to be? 2865.3772 2204 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2866.3247 Witch? 2866.8594 2205 DTA_int_01 2867.0977 Yeah. 2867.2961 2206 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2867.4605 Yeah. 2867.7320 2207 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2867.7320 (pause 0.21) 2867.9459 2208 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2867.9459 Yeah. 2868.1382 2209 DTA_int_01 2868.2297 Uh. 2868.5897 2210 DTA_int_01 2868.5897 (pause 0.54) 2869.1317 2211 DTA_int_01 2869.1317 Did you uh 2869.7236 2212 DTA_int_01 2869.7236 (pause 1.26) 2870.9823 2213 DTA_int_01 2870.9823 uh, ever go from door to door and 2873.0021 2214 DTA_int_01 2873.0021 (pause 0.82) 2873.8232 2215 DTA_int_01 2873.8232 um 2874.1696 2216 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2874.3893 Oh. I- I have done it for the past 2877.4403 2217 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2877.4403 (pause 0.61) 2878.0506 2218 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2878.0506 fifteen years, I would say. 2879.8638 2219 DTA_int_01 2879.8974 2880.1750 2220 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2880.4597 With 2880.7282 2221 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2880.7282 (pause 0.22) 2880.9479 2222 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2880.9479 first one child and then the other. 2883.1630 2223 DTA_int_01 2883.6451 Uh. When the children come to the door, what do they say? 2885.6486 2224 DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 2885.8623 Trick or treat. 2886.6281 2225 DTA_int_01 2886.7959 Uh-huh. 2887.0460