Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 LES_int_01 0.3366 Alright. 0.7088 2 LES_int_01 0.7088 (pause 0.34) 1.0506 3 LES_int_01 1.0506 So, it is September tenth, 2.8446 4 LES_int_01 2.8446 (pause 1.01) 3.8575 5 LES_int_01 3.8575 Okay. 4.0467 6 LES_int_01 4.0467 (pause 0.63) 4.6813 7 LES_int_01 4.6813 We're talking to /RD-NAME-4/. Did I say your last name right? 7.6918 8 LES_int_01 7.6918 (pause 0.88) 8.5766 9 LES_int_01 8.5766 So, I would ask you to like start at the beginning and tell me about kind of 12.2282 10 LES_int_01 12.2282 (pause 1.21) 13.4359 11 LES_int_01 13.4359 where you began. So, maybe you can start by just telling me when and where you were born. 18.0193 12 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 18.8782 Okay, 19.2871 13 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 19.2871 (pause 0.54) 19.8302 14 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 19.8302 I was 20.2146 15 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 20.2146 (pause 0.13) 20.3428 16 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 20.3428 born on the Lower East Side of Manhattan. 23.3511 17 LES_int_01 23.5220 Alright. 23.7722 18 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 24.4434 And on 25.9316 19 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 25.9316 (pause 0.19) 26.1207 20 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 26.1207 um 26.6533 21 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 26.6533 (pause 1.44) 28.0917 22 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 28.0917 At /RD-ADDRESS-6/ 29.4092 23 LES_int_01 29.6899 Okay. 30.0621 24 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 30.1293 right there on Fourteenth Street. 31.2495 25 LES_int_01 31.2495 Okay. 31.5267 26 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 32.2347 And um. 33.0524 27 LES_int_01 35.0066 I asked when. 35.5784 28 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 35.6351 When. Oh, [when. I was-] eh- February twenty-seventh. 38.1305 29 LES_int_01 36.1548 [Yeah.] 36.5046 30 LES_int_01 38.3624 Uh-huh. 38.6675 31 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 38.6675 Nineteen Seventy-nine. 39.5645 32 LES_int_01 39.7171 [Seventy-nine.] 40.2352 33 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 40.0527 [That] makes me twenty-nine years [old.] 41.2243 34 LES_int_01 41.1144 [Twenty-nine.] 41.7125 35 LES_int_01 41.8710 Okay. 42.1945 36 LES_int_01 42.1945 (pause 0.16) 42.3592 37 LES_int_01 42.3592 I'm almost twenty-eight. 43.2013 38 LES_int_01 43.2013 (pause 0.10) 43.3050 39 LES_int_01 43.3050 So. 43.5491 40 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 43.9946 Mm-hm. 44.4095 41 LES_int_01 44.6522 You're close. 45.1525 42 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 45.3123 Mm-hm. 45.6651 43 LES_int_01 45.9641 Uh, so tell me about your family's history, like how did they end up living on the Lower East Side? 50.7872 44 LES_int_01 50.7872 (pause 0.86) 51.6476 45 LES_int_01 51.6476 What do your parents do? 52.6850 46 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 52.8864 Um. 53.4283 47 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 53.4283 (pause 0.35) 53.7822 48 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 53.7822 It's funny, both of my parents, um, not migrated, but yeah, kind of, from Harlem. 57.7547 49 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 57.7547 (pause 0.35) 58.1074 50 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 58.1074 [They came from.] 58.9571 51 LES_int_01 58.3590 [Oh yeah.] 59.0242 52 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 59.7869 They came from Harlem. 60.6261 53 LES_int_01 60.6261 Okay. 60.9618 54 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 61.1692 They were uh, one of those uh 62.6765 55 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 62.6765 (pause 0.34) 63.0121 56 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 63.0121 a lot of the families that were 64.1351 57 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 64.1351 (pause 0.93) 65.0687 58 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 65.0687 um 65.5508 59 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 65.5508 (pause 0.41) 65.9657 60 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 65.9657 looking to. 66.9707 61 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 66.9707 (pause 1.35) 68.3192 62 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 68.3192 Well- I what I understood it was that both my grandmothers were single mothers and they 71.7059 63 LES_int_01 71.8463 Yeah. 72.1941 64 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 72.3594 trying to 73.0611 65 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 73.0611 (pause 0.17) 73.2320 66 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 73.2320 find more opportunities 74.5317 67 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 74.5317 (pause 0.67) 75.1993 68 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 75.1993 and uh, 75.9377 69 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 75.9377 (pause 1.98) 77.9209 70 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 77.9209 there was housing opportunities over here. 79.7284 71 LES_int_01 79.9298 Yeah. 80.2715 72 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 80.8390 And so a lot of people. 82.2104 73 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 82.2104 (pause 0.20) 82.4072 74 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 82.4072 That's- I think- I can see like the history of it was like 84.7346 75 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 84.7346 (pause 1.84) 86.5775 76 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 86.5775 the more Jewish, the Jewish 87.9505 77 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 87.9505 (pause 0.56) 88.5058 78 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 88.5058 population was actually flocking to Queens and to the [suburbs.] 91.6131 79 LES_int_01 91.1798 [Right,] they were leaving. 92.2355 80 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 92.3209 And then 92.8274 81 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 92.8274 (pause 0.43) 93.2546 82 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 93.2546 the Hispanic and la- and 95.0334 83 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 95.0334 (pause 0.56) 95.5948 84 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 95.5948 and Black 96.4003 85 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 96.4003 (pause 0.62) 97.0166 86 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 97.0166 um 97.4620 87 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 97.4620 (pause 0.90) 98.3590 88 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 98.3590 population started moving 99.6440 89 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 99.6440 (pause 0.53) 100.1749 90 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 100.1749 ma- like further down and spreading out [more.] 102.0876 91 LES_int_01 101.8835 [Yeah.] 102.2550 92 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 102.2496 Because there was a- for housing opportunities and. 104.2178 93 LES_int_01 104.2178 Right. 104.6511 94 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 105.1259 So I- both of my grandmothers 106.5111 95 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 106.5111 (pause 0.10) 106.6087 96 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 106.6087 simultaneously came 107.6400 97 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 107.6400 (pause 0.48) 108.1221 98 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 108.1221 to n- the Lower East Side. 110.0442 99 LES_int_01 110.2212 Uh-huh. 110.5710 100 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 110.7979 Uh. 111.3715 101 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 111.3715 (pause 1.81) 113.1777 102 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 113.1777 And 113.4767 103 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 113.4767 (pause 0.11) 113.5866 104 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 113.5866 came 113.9954 105 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 113.9954 (pause 0.38) 114.3737 106 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 114.3737 to Loui- 114.8009 107 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 114.8009 (pause 0.12) 114.9168 108 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 114.9168 to Lower East Side from 116.0719 109 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 116.0719 (pause 0.13) 116.2062 110 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 116.2062 from the same neighborhoods in Harlem. 117.5303 111 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 117.5303 (pause 0.92) 118.4484 112 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 118.4484 [And so.] 118.9427 113 LES_int_01 118.5948 [Did they] know each other? 119.6063 114 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 119.7542 No. 120.1082 115 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 120.1082 (pause 0.26) 120.3645 116 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 120.3645 And then it was funny because- or they knew of each other. 122.5170 117 LES_int_01 122.5170 Okay. 122.9198 118 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 122.9686 And it's funny, then their children later on 124.6406 119 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 124.6406 (pause 0.14) 124.7809 120 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 124.7809 get together and have me. 125.7390 121 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 125.7390 (pause 0.18) 125.9159 122 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 125.9159 Right. 126.1966 123 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 126.1966 (pause 0.11) 126.3065 124 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 126.3065 But 126.4651 125 LES_int_01 126.4651 Right. 126.9838 126 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 127.2279 they, um, 127.8785 127 LES_int_01 128.3605 that's hilarious 129.0989 128 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 129.2820 So they knew each other for years, and them my mother and my father met 131.8082 129 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 131.8082 (pause 0.62) 132.4307 130 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 132.4307 just 132.8273 131 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 132.8273 (pause 0.34) 133.1629 132 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 133.1629 happenstance like lately 134.3911 133 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 134.3911 (pause 0.10) 134.4887 134 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 134.4887 you know, years later on. 135.6542 135 LES_int_01 135.8068 Yeah. 136.1973 136 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 136.6001 [Um.] 136.9540 137 LES_int_01 136.6550 [Did they] meet on the Lower East [Side?] 138.0278 138 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 137.8997 [Yeah.] 138.1316 139 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 138.3574 They met on the Lower East Side. 139.5595 140 LES_int_01 139.6205 Wow. 140.0565 141 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 140.0565 And actually, 140.8193 142 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 141.5271 you can 141.9125 143 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 141.9125 (pause 0.21) 142.1261 144 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 142.1261 uh, 142.5289 145 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 142.5289 (pause 0.32) 142.8462 146 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 142.8462 on J- in Jackson Park, 144.1032 147 LES_int_01 144.3229 Yeah. 144.6585 148 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 144.7806 there's a tree 145.5738 149 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 145.5738 (pause 0.14) 145.7142 150 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 145.7142 with their- their initials in it 147.0501 151 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 147.0501 (pause 0.38) 147.4345 152 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 147.4345 from when they were little kids. 148.5623 153 LES_int_01 148.7759 Oh no. [That's so cute.] 151.7049 154 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 149.7339 [Yeah, they were high school sweethearts.] 151.3693 155 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 152.2480 They were high school sweet hearts. 153.0474 156 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 153.0474 (pause 0.25) 153.2976 157 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 153.2976 And they not together now. 154.3601 158 LES_int_01 154.3601 155.0374 159 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 155.0984 [But the tree,] 156.0321 160 LES_int_01 155.3306 [But it was cute] at the [time.] 156.8619 161 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 156.4897 [And] the- the initials are still in there. 158.3571 162 LES_int_01 158.5035 Oh. [That's amazing.] 160.1084 163 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 159.0945 [It's crazy.] 159.8277 164 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 159.8277 (pause 0.27) 160.1023 165 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 160.1023 Yeah. 160.4562 166 LES_int_01 160.6942 That's really funny. 161.5546 167 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 161.5546 You can still go back there and look at that. 163.0923 168 LES_int_01 163.3669 [Yeah.] 163.7269 169 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 163.5744 [The tree.] 163.9894 170 LES_int_01 164.1237 So, what's your like ancestry? Are your um, do you have like Caribbean roots? Or ju- African [American?] 169.4839 171 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 169.2886 [Just, I Af- I- I hate to s- use [those boxes and squares.] 172.5179 172 LES_int_01 171.7185 [Yeah.] 172.0145 173 LES_int_01 172.0145 (pause 0.11) 172.1212 174 LES_int_01 172.1212 [I know, I know, I know.] 173.1891 175 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 172.6460 [If we have to.] 173.4759 176 LES_int_01 173.4759 I know. 173.9152 177 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 174.1105 [Um.] 174.6542 178 LES_int_01 174.3491 [I'm just-] I'm just [curious] because um, 176.3079 179 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 175.3494 [Yeah.] 175.6488 180 LES_int_01 176.4604 I did another project in the Bronx 178.4432 181 LES_int_01 178.4432 (pause 0.31) 178.7487 182 LES_int_01 178.7487 and it was really interesting because everybody was really mixed. And you know, there was like 182.0744 183 LES_int_01 182.0744 (pause 0.27) 182.3428 184 LES_int_01 182.3428 one grandmother was from, you know, 184.5024 185 LES_int_01 184.5024 (pause 1.10) 185.6069 186 LES_int_01 185.6069 Jamaica, then the other grandmother was from you know, Atlanta, and [so everybody] had these really interesting histories, so 192.3459 187 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 189.4532 [Oh.] 190.0390 188 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 192.5289 [] 193.2368 189 LES_int_01 192.5289 [just curious.] 193.4015 190 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 193.7738 Nope. Um. 194.7911 191 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 194.7911 (pause 0.93) 195.7248 192 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 195.7248 Both of my parents, both of my parents were 197.9370 193 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 197.9370 (pause 1.21) 199.1513 194 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 199.1513 they're just 199.6639 195 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 199.6639 (pause 0.18) 199.8470 196 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 199.8470 we are- I hate to say that we're African American. [It's] so s- 202.3237 197 LES_int_01 201.6037 [Right.] 201.8844 198 LES_int_01 201.8844 (pause 0.33) 202.2139 199 LES_int_01 202.2139 [Do you] not like that word? 203.1353 200 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 203.3550 I mean, you think about it. It's like um, 205.3285 201 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 205.3285 (pause 0.33) 205.6549 202 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 205.6549 It's 205.8578 203 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 205.8578 (pause 0.08) 205.9394 204 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 205.9394 a- fundamentally st- 207.0643 205 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 207.0643 (pause 0.22) 207.2834 206 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 207.2834 um, stupid and 208.2207 207 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 208.2207 (pause 0.61) 208.8304 208 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 208.8304 It's hi- it's covering a truth. A- a history. 211.3064 209 LES_int_01 211.4136 Yeah. 211.7587 210 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 211.7493 It's not acknowledging it at all. 213.1902 211 LES_int_01 213.3720 [Yeah.] 213.6938 212 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 213.4933 [It's just] perpetuating a social s- 214.9845 213 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 215.0871 uh- 215.2596 214 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 215.2596 (pause 0.11) 215.3715 215 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 215.3715 social construct. 216.4393 216 LES_int_01 216.5372 Yeah. 216.8963 217 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 217.1201 It's 217.3999 218 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 217.3999 (pause 0.27) 217.6703 219 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 217.6703 like, African American, so Africa, 219.9367 220 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 219.9367 (pause 0.17) 220.1035 221 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 220.1035 Africa's a whole continent. 221.5106 222 LES_int_01 221.6862 Yeah. 222.0725 223 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 222.2613 Plethora of 222.8760 224 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 222.8760 (pause 0.64) 223.5169 225 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 223.5169 you know, 224.1371 226 LES_int_01 224.2732 [Right.] 224.6068 227 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 224.3214 [beliefs] and cultures and dialects. 226.6483 228 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 226.8371 And to- 227.7437 229 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 227.7437 (pause 0.87) 228.6129 230 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 228.6129 to- 228.9905 231 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 228.9905 (pause 0.13) 229.1222 232 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 229.1222 to just give it back to me in my- some measly name, like oh, well you know what? 232.6399 233 LES_int_01 232.8682 Yeah. 233.2633 234 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 233.2633 /Up/ in the past, you know, we've- 234.8263 235 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 235.1599 your predecessors were pulled from your country, and brought here and enslaved, 238.8494 236 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 238.8494 (pause 0.60) 239.4509 237 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 239.4509 and you know, we'll give you back Africa in their name. You know, like 242.4736 238 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 242.4736 (pause 0.17) 242.6404 239 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 242.6404 not- not specific, like 243.8373 240 LES_int_01 243.8373 [Right.] 244.5705 241 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 244.3158 [e-] I don't have any regions that I'm, 245.8497 242 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 246.0209 you know, [just Africa.] 246.9209 243 LES_int_01 246.4775 [Right, right.] 247.5674 244 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 247.2024 [Just] 247.6327 245 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 247.8686 African. 248.6775 246 LES_int_01 248.6775 Yeah. 249.0639 247 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 249.2088 [So.] 249.8443 248 LES_int_01 249.2088 [S- It seems] like uh, not enough. 251.3457 249 LES_int_01 251.6223 It's like. 252.0976 250 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 252.5190 Mm. I'd rather, I'd like to call everybody brown. 254.6527 251 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 254.6527 (pause 0.27) 254.9227 252 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 254.9227 [Or different shades] of brown. 256.1739 253 LES_int_01 254.9227 [] 255.7173 254 LES_int_01 256.3100 I like [that.] 257.0432 255 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 256.8636 [I] think that we would [get to a better direction that way.] 259.4623 256 LES_int_01 258.1057 [That's- that's very] inclusive. 260.2168 257 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 260.2168 Hey man, everybody's brown. [Everybody's] got some different color 263.2170 258 LES_int_01 261.4258 [Yeah. (laughing)] 262.0712 259 LES_int_01 263.2170 Yeah. 263.6906 260 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 263.6906 but it's brown. 264.4018 261 LES_int_01 264.5171 [Tinted.] 265.2725 262 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 264.5656 [It's some brown] and, some white. [It's tinted.] 266.6335 263 LES_int_01 266.0671 [] 267.2700 264 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 267.4413 You know. 267.9549 265 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 267.9549 (pause 0.33) 268.2831 266 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 268.2831 I'd like that way better. 269.6574 267 LES_int_01 269.7033 Yeah. [Yeah.] 270.3312 268 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 270.0414 [Because] 270.3882 269 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 270.6077 just- 271.0819 270 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 271.0819 (pause 0.86) 271.9424 271 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 271.9424 just 272.4648 272 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 272.4648 (pause 0.52) 272.9832 273 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 272.9832 /breries/ too [much.] 274.3510 274 LES_int_01 274.1479 [Yeah.] Yeah. [Right.] 275.1609 275 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 274.7805 [So, I'm just] saying just for like 276.0449 276 LES_int_01 276.5761 Yeah. 276.8263 277 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 276.9361 for the purpose of the interview, but 278.1610 278 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 278.1610 (pause 0.31) 278.4727 279 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 278.4727 man, 278.9117 280 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 278.9117 (pause 0.18) 279.0961 281 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 279.0961 I- I us- I usually say I'm brown. 280.6459 282 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 280.6459 (pause 0.31) 280.9532 283 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 280.9532 [I'm a] brown person, but 282.1941 284 LES_int_01 280.9532 [Okay.] 281.3293 285 LES_int_01 282.2688 That's [good.] 282.7429 286 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 282.6156 [I] did- 283.2259 287 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 283.6649 I don't 284.0820 288 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 284.0820 (pause 0.09) 284.1742 289 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 284.1742 like, I don't- most of my family's from the South. 286.1761 290 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 286.1761 (pause 0.40) 286.5741 291 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 286.5741 [Yeah.] And (laughing) then [uh.] 287.7068 292 LES_int_01 286.5741 [Yeah.] 286.8441 293 LES_int_01 286.8441 (pause 0.64) 287.4829 294 LES_int_01 287.4829 [Do you] still have family down [there?] 288.8406 295 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 288.6288 [Yeah.] 288.8351 296 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 289.0942 Have family down [there in the South.] 290.5210 297 LES_int_01 289.6594 [Do you go like, visit?] 290.7745 298 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 291.0599 Yeah, we have family reunions. 292.5087 299 LES_int_01 293.0558 Oh, you do? 293.7480 300 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 293.7480 Mm-hm. [I just didn't make] the last one that we had. 295.9435 301 LES_int_01 294.0908 [That's fun.] 294.8942 302 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 296.3298 But, we have family reunions and 298.1562 303 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 298.1562 (pause 0.43) 298.5893 304 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 298.5893 every year, we go different 299.7132 305 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 299.7132 (pause 0.25) 299.9679 306 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 299.9679 places, but a lot of the family's from the South. 302.0006 307 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 302.0006 (pause 0.61) 302.6064 308 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 302.6064 And uh. 303.5372 309 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 303.5372 (pause 0.79) 304.3318 310 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 304.3318 Uh. 304.6815 311 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 304.6815 (pause 0.68) 305.3664 312 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 305.3664 My f- 305.6913 313 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 305.6913 (pause 0.12) 305.8142 314 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 305.8142 my father 306.6791 315 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 306.6791 (pause 0.47) 307.1523 316 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 307.1523 my /??/ my last name, a lot of people have my last name in Panama. 309.9059 317 LES_int_01 310.5937 Huh. 310.9405 318 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 311.2478 Yeah. 311.6298 319 LES_int_01 311.7571 That's [interesting.] 312.4376 320 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 312.2576 [Yeah,] I went there, and 313.5396 321 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 314.2684 a phonebook had my last name [when I-] 316.5630 322 LES_int_01 316.0684 [] Did you call? Were you [like okay.] 319.2674 323 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 317.9064 [I- I wanted to.] 319.0391 324 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 319.0391 (pause 0.22) 319.2546 325 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 319.2546 But, it was so weird because, um, 321.4058 326 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 321.8668 u- I- f- In America, I've never- I've never hea- rarely hear people with my last name, /RD-NAME-2/. 326.1308 327 LES_int_01 326.1308 I've never heard it before I [think.] 327.6279 328 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 327.1274 [/RD-NAME-2/]. 327.6192 329 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 328.0231 And my father 329.0021 330 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 329.0021 (pause 0.18) 329.1821 331 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 329.1821 put 329.4352 332 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 329.4352 (pause 0.15) 329.5845 333 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 329.5845 two S's at the end. 330.5942 334 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 330.5942 (pause 0.10) 330.6952 335 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 330.6952 He put 331.1518 336 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 331.1518 (pause 0.13) 331.2835 337 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 331.2835 the other S at the end. 332.2055 338 LES_int_01 332.2055 Okay. 332.6621 339 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 332.9606 It's like /RD-NAME-9/. 335.3775 340 LES_int_01 335.3775 Okay. [Okay.] 336.4267 341 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 335.8736 [Double, double.] 336.3521 342 LES_int_01 336.7560 [Yeah.] 337.2082 343 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 336.9184 [And, um. Then.] 337.9395 344 LES_int_01 337.6234 [That is] rare I think. 338.7386 345 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 339.2435 Even if you try to Google my name, 340.7434 346 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 340.7434 (pause 0.36) 341.0990 347 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 341.0990 a lot of people who do have /RD-NAME-2/, they have one S. 343.7595 348 LES_int_01 344.4664 Yeah. 344.7595 349 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 344.7518 And then, 345.1996 350 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 345.6254 When I go to Panama, 346.9893 351 LES_int_01 347.0902 Yeah. 347.3712 352 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 347.6478 There's, uh, some that had two S's, it was weird. It was very crazy, but, 351.5991 353 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 351.5991 (pause 0.50) 352.0952 354 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 352.0952 it was cool. And the- it was cool to see that, and then 354.1571 355 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 354.1571 (pause 0.27) 354.4293 356 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 354.4293 just being there, I looked like the- 355.9000 357 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 355.9000 (pause 0.18) 356.0844 358 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 356.0844 like the people there, uh, nobody knew, 357.4674 359 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 357.4674 (pause 0.13) 357.5991 360 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 357.5991 people was asking me what island I was- I was from. 359.6346 361 LES_int_01 359.9447 [Oh, really?] 360.3530 362 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 360.1307 [And I'm] like 360.5698 363 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 360.8947 a really crazy small [island] 362.8483 364 LES_int_01 362.6026 [] 362.8483 365 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 363.0722 far 363.6079 366 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 363.6079 (pause 0.21) 363.8186 367 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 363.8186 far [away.] 364.7270 368 LES_int_01 364.1927 [You're like,] well, [it's an island.] 366.1931 369 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 365.4004 [It's an island.] 366.2350 370 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 366.3749 It's far, and it's [crazy.] 367.8024 371 LES_int_01 367.4336 [It's a] little [different.] 368.6717 372 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 368.4961 [] 368.8297 373 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 369.0054 It's crazy. 369.5761 374 LES_int_01 369.8615 370.5399 375 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 370.6693 But, they look like me. 371.6643 376 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 371.6643 (pause 0.22) 371.8882 377 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 371.8882 So, I lo- I feel like 372.8234 378 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 372.8234 (pause 0.18) 373.0078 379 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 373.0078 my father could be from Panama. I did ask him and he doesn't know much about his father, and I don't know much about him. 377.1692 380 LES_int_01 377.3696 Right. 377.7648 381 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 377.7648 [So.] 378.0150 382 LES_int_01 378.0150 Right. 378.4804 383 LES_int_01 378.4804 (pause 0.39) 378.8667 384 LES_int_01 378.8667 So you grew up with your mom? 379.9555 385 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 380.2804 I grew with my mom. I grew up with her 382.1770 386 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 382.1770 (pause 0.14) 382.3175 387 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 382.3175 and 382.7434 388 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 382.7434 (pause 0.14) 382.8882 389 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 382.8882 she raised uh four of us. 384.0940 390 LES_int_01 384.2960 Oh, so you- okay, you have siblings. 385.3233 391 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 385.4945 I have siblings. I have [two] older brothers and a younger sister, she's twenty-eight. 388.5677 392 LES_int_01 386.1970 [Yeah.] 386.4234 393 LES_int_01 389.0375 Cool. 389.3257 394 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 389.3257 And we 389.8833 395 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 390.0018 w- and my older brothers are thirty-two 392.0697 396 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 392.0697 (pause 0.43) 392.4955 397 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 392.4955 thirty-si- 393.2111 398 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 393.2111 (pause 0.60) 393.8143 399 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 393.8143 thirty-f- s- five and thirty six. Yeah. 396.0006 400 LES_int_01 395.8733 Okay. 396.2948 401 LES_int_01 397.3687 398.2380 402 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 398.2336 They're old, I tease them. 399.1907 403 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 399.4788 But um. 400.0364 404 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 400.0364 (pause 0.73) 400.7695 405 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 400.7695 It was four of us, and my father kind of left when I was three. 403.3247 406 LES_int_01 403.4871 Okay. 403.8120 407 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 404.3213 And he go ji- addicted to drugs. 406.2947 408 LES_int_01 406.2947 Oh. 406.7293 409 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 406.8654 Yeah. To uh, 408.1167 410 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 408.1167 (pause 1.24) 409.3567 411 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 409.3567 uh, tar heroin, and crack. 410.8167 412 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 410.8167 (pause 1.14) 411.9565 413 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 411.9565 [But.] 412.3297 414 LES_int_01 412.1321 [So this] was at the end of th- the [eighties?] 413.9892 415 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 413.7258 [He's] around the right time. 414.8673 416 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 415.1175 Right. 415.3765 417 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 415.3765 (pause 0.60) 415.9762 418 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 415.9762 But, he [uh.] 417.0079 419 LES_int_01 416.8383 [That's so-] that's so brutal. 418.0764 420 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 418.0764 Me and him, I haven't talked to him, it's funny cause I haven't talked to him for six years. 421.0310 421 LES_int_01 421.1041 Wow. 421.5388 422 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 421.9163 And I just started talking to him. 423.2422 423 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 423.2422 (pause 0.61) 423.8525 424 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 423.8525 [Um.] 424.1035 425 LES_int_01 423.8525 [You] did? 424.4583 426 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 424.6427 Yeah, about like four- 425.8281 427 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 425.8281 (pause 0.11) 425.9422 428 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 425.9422 four months ago. 426.5876 429 LES_int_01 427.4089 What made you decide that you wanted to do that? 429.2880 430 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 430.1265 It's funny, /RD-NAME-3/ 431.3218 431 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 431.3218 (pause 0.23) 431.5545 432 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 431.5545 we- we'r- we're doing, um. 432.9725 433 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 432.9725 (pause 1.00) 433.9735 434 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 433.9735 We're taking classes, uh, 435.5227 435 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 435.5227 (pause 0.68) 436.2076 436 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 436.2076 where we're tryna 436.9627 437 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 436.9627 (pause 0.65) 437.6174 438 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 437.6174 uh, 438.0652 439 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 438.0652 (pause 0.19) 438.2584 440 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 438.2584 combine martia- like 439.4559 441 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 439.4559 (pause 0.20) 439.6534 442 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 439.6534 um. 440.3207 443 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 440.3207 (pause 1.34) 441.6598 444 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 441.6598 The martial arts trainings 443.0421 445 LES_int_01 443.1651 Yeah. 443.4197 446 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 443.7753 with um, community organizing. 445.5007 447 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 445.5007 (pause 0.24) 445.7422 448 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 445.7422 [The aspects] of it. 446.6641 449 LES_int_01 445.7422 [Oh.] 446.0802 450 LES_int_01 447.0637 Huh. 447.3622 451 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 447.3622 And 448.0057 452 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 448.3130 One of the things that we're doing is [um.] 449.9656 453 LES_int_01 449.6001 [That's cool.] 450.1972 454 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 450.2807 Yeah, /RD-NAME-3/ has us in this. 451.4572 455 LES_int_01 451.8436 [Yeah.] 452.1465 456 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 451.9928 [And] uh. 452.6470 457 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 452.7611 Uh. [Wha- you-] 453.3714 458 LES_int_01 453.0201 [Are you actually] learning 453.9860 459 LES_int_01 454.0826 martial arts? 454.6802 460 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 454.5659 Yeah. 454.8161 461 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 454.9522 We're learning how to use that though 456.6688 462 LES_int_01 456.9059 [That's cool.] 457.4503 463 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 456.9937 [to center] ourselves in our work. 458.5654 464 LES_int_01 459.0073 [Wow.] 459.5737 465 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 459.2488 [And whatever] we're learning 460.5703 466 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 461.0883 it's actually spilling into our personal lives. [And that's-] 463.7225 467 LES_int_01 463.2714 [Yeah.] 463.7225 468 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 463.8191 that's one of the corollaries of it. 465.2031 469 LES_int_01 465.6070 [Wow.] 466.3402 470 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 465.7475 [I am] 466.5641 471 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 466.8582 466.9680 472 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 466.9680 (pause 0.10) 467.0674 473 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 467.0674 I am 467.6777 474 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 467.6777 (pause 0.26) 467.9367 475 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 467.9367 talking to my father now, because 469.2406 476 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 469.2406 (pause 0.29) 469.5348 477 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 469.5348 I'm thinking more about my energy 470.9309 478 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 470.9309 (pause 0.36) 471.2909 479 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 471.2909 and how it's used. 472.3270 480 LES_int_01 472.4499 Right. 472.8846 481 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 472.9796 And there was way more negative energy used to- 475.5699 482 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 475.5699 (pause 0.14) 475.7148 483 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 475.7148 to- to hate him 476.7377 484 LES_int_01 477.0187 [Yeah.] 477.5016 485 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 477.1899 [than it] was to love him. 478.2173 486 LES_int_01 478.3885 Yeah. 478.8099 487 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 478.8670 So. It's like a less 480.0245 488 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 480.0245 (pause 0.39) 480.4153 489 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 480.4153 I even feel like less energy being 482.0836 490 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 482.0836 (pause 0.30) 482.3865 491 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 482.3865 used 483.0099 492 LES_int_01 483.1504 Yeah. 483.6685 493 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 483.7036 with um 484.2875 494 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 484.2875 (pause 0.79) 485.0762 495 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 485.0762 [less hate] 485.5432 496 LES_int_01 485.0762 [Like just] sort of letting it- 486.1754 497 LES_int_01 486.3993 it out. 486.7769 498 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 486.7769 Letting it go. [And I mean, I've] 488.0150 499 LES_int_01 487.4398 [Yeah.] 488.0150 500 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 488.1599 w- I have this understanding with everybody else. 489.9248 501 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 489.9248 (pause 0.30) 490.2233 502 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 490.2233 I'm so aware of all of these socioeconomic conditions 492.6145 503 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 492.6145 (pause 0.33) 492.9481 504 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 492.9481 but when it's right in front, 494.2872 505 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 494.2872 (pause 0.72) 495.0072 506 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 495.0072 you know, of me and it's- it's directly affecting me, I've 498.0123 507 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 498.0123 (pause 0.49) 498.4996 508 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 498.4996 I was like not consistent with that. 500.1937 509 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 500.1937 (pause 0.14) 500.3386 510 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 500.3386 Like, I was [not consistent] with that in my life, so. 503.0650 511 LES_int_01 500.8962 [Yeah.] 501.3264 512 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 503.5219 That's when I start talking with him [again.] 504.8697 513 LES_int_01 504.6886 [Yeah. Yeah.] 505.8663 514 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 505.5063 [And.] 505.8488 515 LES_int_01 505.9805 Where- where is he? is he still in the city? 507.5429 516 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 507.2663 [He's still] in the neighborhood. 508.2497 517 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 508.4253 He's still in the neighborhood to his will. 509.7512 518 LES_int_01 509.8741 Wow. 510.3834 519 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 510.4844 And uh, it's funny because the way we found him. I found him in nineteen ninety 514.1426 520 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 514.1426 (pause 0.51) 514.6562 521 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 514.6562 like, we got s- we started talking back in nineteen ninety-seven. 517.1411 522 LES_int_01 517.4093 Yeah. 517.7342 523 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 518.3576 Right before I went to college. 519.5913 524 LES_int_01 519.6966 Yeah. 520.1049 525 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 520.6844 And he um. 521.6371 526 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 521.6371 (pause 0.08) 521.7205 527 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 521.7205 We found him because we lost my cat. 523.1239 528 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 523.1239 (pause 1.12) 524.2478 529 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 524.2478 And it was [my senior year of high school.] 526.2454 530 LES_int_01 525.2532 [Boy George.] 526.1796 531 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 526.4737 Yep. Boy George. 527.2782 532 LES_int_01 527.2782 527.5943 533 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 527.5943 We lost Boy [George.] 528.7007 534 LES_int_01 528.5470 [No. 528.9904 535 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 529.2099 My senior year in high school, 530.6615 536 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 530.6615 (pause 0.38) 531.0390 537 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 531.0390 and I'm worried about my cat. I got midterms and everything, and my cat is missing, and I'm going crazy. 535.4946 538 LES_int_01 535.5385 Yeah. 535.9863 539 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 535.9863 And he- he was one of those cats, this is a city, he would go out. 539.1385 540 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 539.5604 He [would um.] 540.0345 541 LES_int_01 539.8018 [Did you] let him out? 540.6009 542 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 540.6931 Yeah, he would go out to the windows and 542.5985 543 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 542.5985 (pause 0.21) 542.8092 544 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 542.8092 He would do some crazy stuff, and sometimes go all throughout the building, but he would come back. 546.4911 545 LES_int_01 546.5306 [Yeah.] 546.9697 546 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 546.6228 [And he would] start crying and 547.9180 547 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 548.0541 back at the door, like he always came back. 550.1903 548 LES_int_01 550.2781 Yeah. 550.6557 549 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 550.6337 But somebody, uh, one of the dagone maintenance men took him. 552.7767 550 LES_int_01 552.9183 [ He did?] 554.4066 551 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 553.3167 [But we found-] 554.1124 552 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 554.1124 (pause 0.29) 554.4066 553 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 554.4066 Yeah. He took him. 555.1398 554 LES_int_01 555.3221 He did? 555.8928 555 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 555.8928 Maintenance man took him and put him in the basement. 557.4382 556 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 557.7631 Good for rats. 558.6324 557 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 558.6324 (pause 0.35) 558.9865 558 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 558.9865 [They took my] cat, and put him down there for rats. [My cat.] 561.9148 559 LES_int_01 558.9865 [What?] 559.8689 560 LES_int_01 559.8689 (pause 1.56) 561.4275 561 LES_int_01 561.4275 [No.] No. 562.8261 562 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 563.5304 But, um. 564.4436 563 LES_int_01 563.8754 [Come on.] 564.4505 564 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 564.7553 When we were in the court, when I was- my sister and I were door knocking. 567.7373 565 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 567.7373 (pause 0.13) 567.8691 566 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 567.8691 looking for [my cat.] 568.6549 567 LES_int_01 568.4047 [Oh.] 568.9798 568 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 569.1861 And that's how I found my father. 570.3496 569 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 570.3496 (pause 0.36) 570.7080 570 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 570.7080 Like [acro-] 571.2700 571 LES_int_01 570.9715 [No.] 571.7310 572 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 571.7924 He lives right across the street from me. 573.5310 573 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 573.5310 (pause 0.47) 573.9964 574 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 573.9964 [I'm like] 574.3476 575 LES_int_01 574.1369 [He] just answered the door? 575.3925 576 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 575.5110 No, actually, when. It was like- It's like a 577.2452 577 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 577.2452 (pause 0.14) 577.3835 578 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 577.3835 it's like one of them houses where all the people 579.2406 579 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 579.2406 (pause 0.11) 579.3503 580 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 579.3503 do their drugs at and everything. [Like a little] crack spot. 581.4823 581 LES_int_01 580.6174 [Yeah.] 581.0345 582 LES_int_01 581.7633 Oh my [God.] 582.8214 583 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 582.4131 [And-] but we didn't know that. Anyway, we was knocking on the door. 585.0805 584 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 585.4669 And somebody said 586.2791 585 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 586.2791 (pause 0.11) 586.3844 586 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 586.3844 /RD-NAME-1/. 586.7313 587 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 586.7313 (pause 0.69) 587.4190 588 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 587.4190 I think those are your kids outside. 588.8547 589 LES_int_01 589.0039 Oh my [God.] 589.8995 590 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 589.7722 [And] my sister and I looked at each other 591.1859 591 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 591.4186 we was like 592.0903 592 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 592.0903 (pause 0.61) 592.6990 593 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 592.6990 daddy (whispering) 593.1512 594 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 593.1512 (pause 0.64) 593.7878 595 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 593.7878 daddy? 594.2576 596 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 594.2576 (pause 1.01) 595.2673 597 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 595.2673 And we [found-] 596.1586 598 LES_int_01 595.7064 [You were like] holy [shit. ] 598.9848 599 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 596.6486 [Holy shit. Like, wow. This is dad's house?] 599.4260 600 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 599.8299 And we just stood there still. 601.0905 601 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 601.0905 (pause 0.09) 601.1783 602 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 601.1783 And then it was- was sure enough, it was him. 602.5086 603 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 602.5086 (pause 0.15) 602.6622 604 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 602.6622 So, we found him again. 603.9003 605 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 603.9003 (pause 0.43) 604.3318 606 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 604.3318 And it was like, oh, you live right across the street? 606.2460 607 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 606.2460 (pause 0.13) 606.3733 608 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 606.3733 What? 606.9704 609 LES_int_01 607.5324 That's crazy. 608.4368 610 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 608.4368 That's how we started. 609.3484 611 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 609.7743 So he still lives in the neighborhood. 611.1704 612 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 611.1704 (pause 0.50) 611.6665 613 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 611.6665 And um. 612.4348 614 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 612.4348 (pause 0.76) 613.1954 615 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 613.1954 But- and lives right across the street from my mom. 614.9120 616 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 614.9120 (pause 0.40) 615.3115 617 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 615.3115 Like literally. Th- well, now she moved further 617.7152 618 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 617.7152 (pause 0.31) 618.0269 619 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 618.0269 she moved to another smaller apartment 619.3791 620 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 619.3791 (pause 0.24) 619.6206 621 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 619.6206 [So they] live in the same development. 620.9217 622 LES_int_01 619.6206 [Yeah.] 619.9722 623 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 621.1281 They live literally in the same 622.6471 624 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 622.6471 (pause 0.49) 623.1388 625 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 623.1388 [development.] 623.6525 626 LES_int_01 623.1388 [Is this-] do you live in Brooch? 624.5946 627 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 624.9344 No, I live in /RD-ADDRESS-2/ 626.4955 628 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 626.4955 (pause 0.30) 626.7913 629 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 626.7913 [I'm from /RD-ADDRESS-2/ 627.5860 630 LES_int_01 626.9362 [Oh. /RD-ADDRESS-2] Okay. I knew you- you- d- okay. I think /RD-NAME-8/ [from like- yeah.] I was like /RD-NAME-2/'s from /RD-ADDRESS-3/. Right.] 633.6528 631 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 630.9813 [It was from /RD-ADDRESS-2/.] 632.0391 632 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 632.0391 (pause 1.34) 633.3781 633 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 633.3781 [Yeah.] 633.9050 634 LES_int_01 633.9821 [But, I-] I forgot, I thought it was [pretty chill.] 635.8748 635 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 633.9842 [He's from /RD-ADDRESS-2/] 634.6553 636 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 636.0153 Yeah. 636.4017 637 LES_int_01 636.4017 Okay. 636.8970 638 LES_int_01 636.8970 (pause 0.31) 637.2048 639 LES_int_01 637.2048 So, is that where you still live? 638.1373 640 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 638.4637 He still lives there. 639.3683 641 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 639.3683 (pause 0.39) 639.7600 642 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 639.7600 And, uh, yeah. My mother still lives there. My mother is 642.7163 643 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 642.7163 (pause 0.40) 643.1173 644 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 643.1173 He- my father's not doing anything with himself right now. 644.9356 645 LES_int_01 645.0242 Yeah. 645.2853 646 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 645.2853 He actually volunteered yesterday for the elections. 647.6401 647 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 647.8917 Yup, you know, I got him to help them. 649.5656 648 LES_int_01 649.8035 That's [cool.] 650.4333 649 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 650.0972 [Well,] he could not volunteer. He got money. He got money to [do it. But.] 652.7668 650 LES_int_01 652.5197 [Yeah,] yeah. 653.1259 651 LES_int_01 653.2098 [But, you got] him involved. 654.4734 652 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 653.2331 [You know.] 653.7087 653 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 654.6276 I got him involved, he got to see a little of what I do. 657.2109 654 LES_int_01 657.3834 Yeah. 657.6865 655 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 657.8451 And uh. 658.6657 656 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 658.6657 (pause 2.91) 661.5754 657 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 661.5754 My mother, she's 662.7831 658 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 662.7831 (pause 0.15) 662.9323 659 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 662.9323 she's uh, a social worker. 664.5457 660 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 664.5457 (pause 0.42) 664.9700 661 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 664.9700 In d- in um, the Lower East Side. 666.6127 662 LES_int_01 666.6593 Very cool. 667.2375 663 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 667.2375 She's been a social worker for o- she could t- she's 669.7504 664 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 670.2447 I don't know. She's close to retiring. 671.4223 665 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 671.4223 (pause 0.37) 671.7953 666 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 671.7953 [She's her-] close to hitting that thirty year mark point. 673.8796 667 LES_int_01 671.7953 [Yeah.] 672.1073 668 LES_int_01 674.0428 Yeah. 674.3991 669 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 674.7022 [So,] she's um. 676.0685 670 LES_int_01 674.7022 [Yeah.] 675.1453 671 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 676.4042 She's been helping with parents at a head start program. 678.4513 672 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 678.4513 (pause 0.38) 678.8336 673 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 678.8336 [On the Lower East Side.] 679.8981 674 LES_int_01 678.8336 [Oh, that's cool.] 679.7163 675 LES_int_01 680.1266 That's great. 680.7514 676 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 680.8447 So, she's still here and she works in the neighborhood. 682.8809 677 LES_int_01 682.8809 Yeah. 683.2586 678 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 683.2586 And I'm here, and I work in the [neighborhood.] 684.8303 679 LES_int_01 684.5875 [Yeah.] Yeah. 685.3056 680 LES_int_01 685.6381 Do you still live with her? Or do you live on your [own?] 687.2235 681 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 687.1116 [I] live on my own. I'm living with- I live, um. 689.2239 682 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 689.5469 On /RD-ADDRESS-4/. 690.4608 683 LES_int_01 690.6800 Uh-huh. 691.0064 684 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 691.3514 Now. 691.6871 685 LES_int_01 692.1068 Yeah. 692.3306 686 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 692.3819 And I used to live with my sister, but she just moved out. 694.3357 687 LES_int_01 694.5677 U- Oh. 695.5515 688 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 695.9246 And uh. 696.8805 689 LES_int_01 697.3607 So, you live by yourself? 698.2793 690 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 698.4845 Yeah. 698.8342 691 LES_int_01 698.9928 How's that? 699.4637 692 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 699.9953 Uh, it's good. 700.8288 693 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 700.8288 (pause 0.12) 700.9500 694 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 700.9500 [I mean.] 701.5562 695 LES_int_01 700.9500 [Yeah.] 701.4396 696 LES_int_01 701.7008 It's probably kind of cool right? 702.7639 697 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 702.8478 Yeah. It's cool. 703.5846 698 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 703.5846 (pause 0.21) 703.7991 699 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 703.7991 [Cause, you know.] 704.2514 700 LES_int_01 703.9016 [Like,] when you leave in the morning, and then you come back, and like 706.5035 701 LES_int_01 706.6559 everything's 707.2761 702 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 707.3880 Back where you left it. 708.2243 703 LES_int_01 708.2253 Exactly [where you left it.] 709.4458 704 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 708.6580 [But that's-] that's what's making me- it's making you more account- like I'll 711.4919 705 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 712.0607 now I can't blame things on my sister, [like oh.] 714.0224 706 LES_int_01 713.4668 [ Right. (laughing) Right.] 714.9236 707 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 714.5120 [She didn't] throw out the garbage? [It's all me.] 716.8295 708 LES_int_01 715.9960 [You're like-] 716.4810 709 LES_int_01 716.8621 you're like, nope. 717.5093 710 LES_int_01 717.5093 (pause 0.11) 717.6206 711 LES_int_01 717.6206 That was my [fault. ] 719.3132 712 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 718.0542 [It's all me.] 718.5485 713 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 718.5485 (pause 0.76) 719.3132 714 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 719.3132 I can't even like, yeah. So. 720.7626 715 LES_int_01 720.7626 721.3781 716 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 721.3781 It's putting me- [It's putting things] into perspective. Like ah shit man. I gotta- 724.8078 717 LES_int_01 722.3504 [That's funny.] 723.0601 718 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 725.1015 when people come over, I gotta make sure my 726.8445 719 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 726.8445 (pause 1.02) 727.8657 720 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 727.8657 My [stuff is] on point. 728.8692 721 LES_int_01 728.0523 [Right.] 728.4207 722 LES_int_01 728.8697 Right. 729.2833 723 LES_int_01 729.2833 (pause 0.12) 729.4046 724 LES_int_01 729.4046 [That's pretty funny.] 730.3278 725 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 729.4652 [But.] 729.9501 726 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 730.4211 Yeah, that's about it actually. 731.5497 727 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 731.5497 (pause 0.24) 731.7922 728 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 731.7922 It's cool living without. 732.6688 729 LES_int_01 732.7994 Tell me like, um. 734.1052 730 LES_int_01 734.1052 (pause 0.11) 734.2169 731 LES_int_01 734.2169 734.3101 732 LES_int_01 734.3101 (pause 0.19) 734.5013 733 LES_int_01 734.5013 What you remember about being a kid 736.2312 734 LES_int_01 736.2312 (pause 0.50) 736.7302 735 LES_int_01 736.7302 growing up. 737.1638 736 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 738.0078 I've g- I- You know, it's so funny. It's- this is a memory that's good. It's so funny that you just said this. 742.4457 737 LES_int_01 742.5716 Yeah. 742.8048 738 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 742.9074 This is a memory 743.7980 739 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 743.7980 (pause 0.35) 744.1512 740 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 744.1512 that's good and bad in itself. 745.5361 741 LES_int_01 745.6293 Okay. 746.0723 742 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 746.5806 When we were little, we played this game called colors. 748.7815 743 LES_int_01 749.1452 Okay, what is it? 749.9472 744 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 750.1943 Kay. 750.4601 745 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 750.4601 (pause 0.21) 750.6746 746 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 750.6746 Before you left a- if we was living toge- if we was friends [and we was] growing up [together,] 754.5341 747 LES_int_01 753.3078 [Yeah.] 753.5782 748 LES_int_01 753.5782 (pause 0.84) 754.4175 749 LES_int_01 754.4175 [Yeah.] 754.7999 750 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 754.9724 Before we left this house, we had to pick a color. 756.5719 751 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 756.5719 (pause 0.14) 756.7118 752 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 756.7118 What's your color? Purple? 757.6257 753 LES_int_01 759.2854 Sure. 759.6538 754 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 759.7284 Alright. I'm red. 760.5444 755 LES_int_01 760.6610 Okay. 761.1552 756 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 761.5763 We'd walk out, 762.2758 757 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 762.2758 (pause 0.43) 762.7094 758 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 762.7094 and we'd count 763.4648 759 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 763.4648 (pause 0.11) 763.5720 760 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 763.5720 how many crack vials we see with that color [top.] 765.7017 761 LES_int_01 765.2870 [] 765.7017 762 LES_int_01 765.9725 No. (laughing) 766.4947 763 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 767.6041 Okay. 768.1311 764 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 768.1311 (pause 0.29) 768.4202 765 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 768.4202 [So, if you had] 769.4227 766 LES_int_01 768.7381 [Oh my God.] 769.8385 767 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 769.5856 [so, we would] get ready to go to this post [office] 771.7445 768 LES_int_01 771.5860 [Yeah.] 772.0057 769 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 772.7844 By the time we got to the post office and back, 775.0089 770 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 775.0089 (pause 0.87) 775.8762 771 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 775.8762 you was letting me know every time you saw 777.4569 772 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 777.4569 (pause 0.29) 777.7460 773 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 777.7460 a purple one. 778.3804 774 LES_int_01 778.3804 Yeah. 778.7535 775 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 778.7535 And I was letting you know every time I saw a red one. And we got points. 781.8030 776 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 782.2367 And upon the end of the day, 783.6934 777 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 783.6934 (pause 0.90) 784.5925 778 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 784.5925 we always would forget sometimes or whatever. 786.4017 779 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 786.4017 (pause 0.09) 786.4950 780 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 786.4950 But, 786.9147 781 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 786.9147 (pause 0.60) 787.5115 782 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 787.5115 either way, 788.1923 783 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 788.1923 (pause 0.26) 788.4534 784 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 788.4534 that's how much drugs was in this neighborhood. 789.9668 785 LES_int_01 789.9702 Shit. 790.4916 786 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 790.4521 Where 790.9697 787 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 791.2681 there were crack vials 792.0981 788 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 792.0981 (pause 0.20) 792.2939 789 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 792.2939 everywhere. 792.8955 790 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 792.8955 (pause 0.13) 793.0260 791 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 793.0260 Drug needles. 793.8980 792 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 793.8980 (pause 0.24) 794.1404 793 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 794.1404 That was- that was a common thing in grass, so you didn't play in grass. 797.3052 794 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 797.3052 (pause 0.32) 797.6223 795 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 797.6223 [You kept off grass] 798.5408 796 LES_int_01 797.7668 [Yeah.] 798.1585 797 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 798.7926 cause it's a place where dogs 799.9469 798 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 799.9469 (pause 0.36) 800.3106 799 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 800.3106 t- crapped at 800.9914 800 LES_int_01 801.0241 Yeah. 801.5603 801 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 801.8587 you had drug needles in it, 803.0781 802 LES_int_01 803.2739 Yeah. 803.6143 803 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 803.6143 and- 803.8661 804 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 804.2904 and crack vials. They looked like little perfume- 806.4167 805 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 806.4167 (pause 0.45) 806.8644 806 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 806.8644 [it looks like little perfume crack vials.] 808.2770 807 LES_int_01 806.8644 [Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.] And were there all different [colors?] 809.9044 808 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 809.6945 [All] in different colors. 810.6131 809 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 810.8882 So, every w- depending what color you pick, I w- my color was always purple. I gave you purple today. 814.5799 810 LES_int_01 814.6358 Oh. Thanks. 815.3840 811 LES_int_01 815.3840 (pause 0.34) 815.7270 812 LES_int_01 815.7270 Was it a good color? 816.4357 813 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 816.4357 But purple, I'd be like purple. And I'd be like, there go purp- there goes five purple! 819.4704 814 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 819.7409 I used to f- I'd have like, I had like this uh 821.7179 815 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 821.7179 (pause 0.53) 822.2495 816 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 822.2495 this- this science to it [like nah man. Purple is] the color. 825.0388 817 LES_int_01 823.6113 [] 824.3760 818 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 825.1694 Everybody gets the purp- I [really did.] 827.0539 819 LES_int_01 826.5690 [] 827.9725 820 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 827.8140 [But.] So. Yeah. It was purple. And i- this was in school yards 830.6851 821 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 830.8204 and 831.2573 822 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 831.2573 (pause 0.63) 831.8914 823 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 831.8914 and churches. [And any type] of grass over here, there was drug needles [and] crack vials and 836.6957 824 LES_int_01 833.0805 [Yeah.] 833.4442 825 LES_int_01 833.4442 (pause 2.11) 835.5533 826 LES_int_01 835.5533 [Yeah.] 835.9310 827 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 836.8356 all of that in there. 837.5164 828 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 837.5164 (pause 0.69) 838.2111 829 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 838.2111 Um. 838.6028 830 LES_int_01 838.5702 [So, where-] where did you play as a kid? Like [where did you go?] 841.6858 831 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 838.7847 [But.] 839.1484 832 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 839.1484 (pause 1.47) 840.6226 833 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 840.6226 [That's the funny] 841.2148 834 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 841.2148 (pause 0.16) 841.3780 835 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 841.3780 [so, we] played in parks still. We [still played] in these parks. 843.7323 836 LES_int_01 842.6918 [Okay.] 843.0835 837 LES_int_01 843.7323 Okay. 844.0727 838 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 844.0727 We still 844.6949 839 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 845.3571 played in these parks. [So, yeah,] we still- that's what I'm saying, like 847.7118 840 LES_int_01 846.1171 [Yeah.] 846.5321 841 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 847.8332 it was- this is a negative part of it, but 849.3673 842 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 849.3673 (pause 0.33) 849.6937 843 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 849.6937 I r- I remember that 850.5311 844 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 850.5311 (pause 0.26) 850.7876 845 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 850.7876 That was fun [for me as a little kid. That was a] fun game. 853.3344 846 LES_int_01 851.3993 [You were like (laughing), that was a fun game] 852.7095 847 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 853.4090 [You know.] 853.9126 848 LES_int_01 853.5271 [Yeah.] 853.9973 849 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 854.0524 Not knowing the real implications of it. 855.9179 850 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 855.9179 (pause 0.55) 856.4682 851 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 856.4682 Even, um, 857.3728 852 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 857.3728 (pause 0.62) 857.9883 853 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 857.9883 where we played uh, 859.0001 854 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 859.0001 (pause 0.64) 859.6436 855 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 859.6436 I remember one time this boy chased us with a freaking drug needle. 862.1564 856 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 862.1564 (pause 0.54) 862.6952 857 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 862.6952 He picked it up and we- that was when AIDS was around. We was like, you didn't know about AIDS much, but it [was like you knew that] 867.0829 858 LES_int_01 866.2669 [Yeah.] 866.8684 859 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 867.4420 you associated it with drugs too and drug needles, and we was like 869.7894 860 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 869.7894 (pause 0.43) 870.2230 861 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 870.2230 he's gonna give us AIDS! And [we used to tell everybody] he's had AIDS cause he picked up the drug needle! 875.0728 862 LES_int_01 872.0966 [Yeah.] 872.7214 863 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 875.3805 But there was drug needles. 876.5844 864 LES_int_01 876.7522 [Jeez.] 877.6475 865 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 876.9667 [When I got, um] 878.1324 866 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 879.2645 When I got older, I played basketball. 880.8035 867 LES_int_01 881.0879 Yeah. 881.4516 868 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 881.8573 And, uh. The way we played, uh, we has to- we used to steal 885.3218 869 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 885.3218 (pause 0.31) 885.6342 870 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 885.6342 brooms from the maintenance men 886.9818 871 LES_int_01 887.2769 Yeah. 887.6313 872 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 887.8132 and clean our parks 889.1188 873 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 889.1188 (pause 0.39) 889.5058 874 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 889.5058 before we played on them. 890.3311 875 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 890.3311 (pause 0.55) 890.8767 876 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 890.8767 We had to clean the gra- we had to clean the [glass off of them.] 893.2303 877 LES_int_01 892.5975 [Yeah.] 893.0780 878 LES_int_01 893.5381 Yeah. 893.9204 879 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 893.9204 And, uh. 894.7085 880 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 894.8763 We would beg the junkies 896.0327 881 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 896.0327 (pause 0.16) 896.1913 882 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 896.1913 like, we would make like, agreements with them. Like, man 897.9478 883 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 897.9478 (pause 0.44) 898.3908 884 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 898.3908 please don't pee in this corner man. 899.6264 885 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 899.6264 (pause 0.27) 899.8922 886 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 899.8922 Cause it's gonna get on the court. 900.8808 887 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 900.8808 (pause 0.26) 901.1419 888 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 901.1419 It's gonna get on the court man. 902.3263 889 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 902.3263 (pause 0.22) 902.5501 890 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 902.5501 Please. 903.1600 891 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 903.1600 (pause 0.14) 903.3045 892 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 903.3045 pee in the other [corner.] 904.1795 893 LES_int_01 903.9277 [ Just over there. Just over there.] 906.5985 894 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 904.4862 [And we used to beg them. Yeah. Just pee] 906.8783 895 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 907.5171 over 908.0487 896 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 908.0487 (pause 0.15) 908.2026 897 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 908.2026 [there.] 908.8998 898 LES_int_01 908.7460 [] 910.5179 899 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 909.9956 [And these were] all men 911.4142 900 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 911.5074 that 911.9178 901 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 911.9178 (pause 0.77) 912.6872 902 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 912.6872 were attached to families. 914.1466 903 LES_int_01 914.1466 Oh. 914.8741 904 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 915.2424 But, they were like these serious public drug [users.] 917.4806 905 LES_int_01 917.2568 [Wow.] 917.8789 906 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 917.9903 And they- some of them were- had alcohol problems, some of them were 921.0153 907 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 921.0153 (pause 0.45) 921.4630 908 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 921.4630 addicted to other types of drugs, 922.7080 909 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 922.7080 (pause 0.33) 923.0344 910 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 923.0344 but, it was still a community. 924.6384 911 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 924.6384 (pause 0.09) 924.7317 912 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 924.7317 Which is oddly enough. 925.8123 913 LES_int_01 925.8123 Yeah. 926.2413 914 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 926.2506 They still like 927.0713 915 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 927.0713 (pause 0.29) 927.3650 916 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 927.3650 I still could walk- if we walked by this basketball court right now, 930.4053 917 LES_int_01 930.4286 Yeah. 930.8949 918 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 930.9928 And these- those guys are still there. 932.5211 919 LES_int_01 932.6609 [Yeah.] 932.9221 920 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 932.7682 [They're] still there, sitting there. Everything's changing around them but they're still there. 935.5006 921 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 935.8026 And they call me Sheryl Swoops. They joke around. So, they be like 937.8170 922 LES_int_01 937.9004 [] 939.1310 923 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 938.1506 [they're all drunk, and they're like] Aye, Sheryl Swoops. 940.6180 924 LES_int_01 940.8770 [] 941.4785 925 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 941.1580 [But.] 941.4741 926 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 941.6102 That- they would look at y- they were looking at me and watching me grow up and. 945.0108 927 LES_int_01 945.1732 Yeah. 945.6430 928 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 945.7592 They still even /and/ make dumb conversation, ask me if I'm- what happened to basketball? 948.9104 929 LES_int_01 949.0509 [Right.] 949.4224 930 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 949.1852 [But.] 949.5496 931 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 949.6831 These are the people that- this was my neighborhood. This is where we played at 952.3074 932 LES_int_01 952.4786 [Yeah.] 952.9140 933 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 952.7289 [Those] are the things that I remember. 954.3445 934 LES_int_01 954.7110 So, I mean, you- It sounds like you didn't necessarily feel unsafe 957.9203 935 LES_int_01 957.9203 (pause 0.29) 958.2101 936 LES_int_01 958.2101 even being in this kind of 959.8669 937 LES_int_01 959.8669 (pause 0.59) 960.4552 938 LES_int_01 960.4552 unsafe environment. 961.6142 939 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 961.6866 You knew what to do. 962.9291 940 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 962.9291 (pause 0.44) 963.3725 941 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 963.3725 When my mother- when I walked in the building as a little girl, we had to ring the bell before we walked in the building 968.1497 942 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 968.1497 (pause 0.24) 968.3906 943 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 968.3906 so my mother knew that we was in the building. 970.1818 944 LES_int_01 970.3355 Okay. 970.7218 945 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 971.0291 Um. When we was leaving the building, we had to ring the bell when we left the building, so [my mother] knew that we made it out of the building. 976.6904 946 LES_int_01 974.6396 [Okay.] 974.9705 947 LES_int_01 976.8939 Okay. 977.2452 948 LES_int_01 977.2452 (pause 0.19) 977.4383 949 LES_int_01 977.4383 Cause the building was not 978.7861 950 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 978.7861 The building wasn't safe. [Yeah.] 979.9057 951 LES_int_01 979.4315 [necessarily.] 980.5071 952 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 980.1384 [Yeah.] 980.5071 953 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 980.6476 This is what she nee- you know. 981.7320 954 LES_int_01 981.7320 Yeah. 982.1754 955 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 982.2281 W- we had tight codes when 983.8071 956 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 983.8071 (pause 0.28) 984.0881 957 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 984.0881 when we- you w- we were at home, we answered the door for no one, not even family members. 988.0262 958 LES_int_01 987.9515 [Oh.] 988.2940 959 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 988.1535 [Not] even- I got in huge trouble when I let my cousin in one day. 990.7262 960 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 991.1465 And I was like, but he's my family. My mother told me, you do not 994.0090 961 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 994.0090 (pause 0.16) 994.1715 962 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 994.1715 open the door 995.2207 963 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 995.2207 (pause 0.17) 995.3876 964 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 995.3876 for anyone. 996.3512 965 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 996.3512 (pause 0.22) 996.5664 966 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 996.5664 [Anybody.] 997.3171 967 LES_int_01 996.5664 [Yeah.] 996.7815 968 LES_int_01 996.7815 (pause 0.38) 997.1634 969 LES_int_01 997.1634 [Nobody.] 997.7561 970 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 997.7561 Nobody. 998.6517 971 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 998.8668 Nobody. 999.5078 972 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 999.5078 (pause 0.40) 999.9117 973 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 999.9117 So, I got in trouble for that once. 1001.1986 974 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1001.1986 (pause 0.46) 1001.6618 975 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1001.6618 Um. 1002.0876 976 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1002.0876 (pause 0.58) 1002.6628 977 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1002.6628 Always travel in pairs. Like when my sister and I, we used to always 1005.3452 978 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1005.3452 (pause 0.37) 1005.7184 979 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1005.7184 t- um walk with each other. 1006.7051 980 LES_int_01 1006.7710 Yeah. 1007.1002 981 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1007.1002 Um. When we had Walkmans, right, you couldn't- 1009.1725 982 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1009.4534 You couldn't- um 1010.1910 983 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1010.1910 (pause 0.09) 1010.2832 984 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1010.2832 hold it out like now, and you had to not have it loud 1013.1351 985 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1013.1351 (pause 0.23) 1013.3677 986 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1013.3677 because somebody might come up and run up on you. 1014.9751 987 LES_int_01 1015.1068 Right. 1015.4976 988 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1015.6732 When you, um, 1016.8673 989 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1016.8673 (pause 0.45) 1017.3151 990 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1017.3151 you kept a quarter. My mother made sure we kept quarters tight on our little bras. 1020.6803 991 LES_int_01 1020.8164 [Yeah.] 1021.1500 992 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1020.9305 [So we] could call at a pay phone in case of emergency. 1023.2102 993 LES_int_01 1023.3638 Yeah. 1023.6931 994 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1023.9126 And 1024.4702 995 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1024.4702 (pause 0.47) 1024.9443 996 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1024.9443 uh. You know. 1026.0243 997 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1026.0243 (pause 0.50) 1026.5292 998 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1026.5292 Put the f- I don't know. We- I just never- 1028.6294 999 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1028.6294 (pause 0.78) 1029.4065 1000 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1029.4065 I never felt 1030.6270 1001 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1030.6270 (pause 0.35) 1030.9738 1002 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1030.9738 uns- I felt like they- I would have those fears, but I knew that like 1033.9301 1003 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1033.9301 (pause 0.25) 1034.1760 1004 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1034.1760 there was these things that I had t- [to do.] 1036.0106 1005 LES_int_01 1035.7252 [You sort] of knew- [You had like] a set of [rules.] 1038.6301 1006 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1036.6940 [To keep.] 1037.0804 1007 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1037.0804 (pause 1.24) 1038.3184 1008 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1038.3184 [Rules.] Yeah. When you got down the block, you- you didn't go down the whole block without looking down at least [once.] 1042.4672 1009 LES_int_01 1042.3838 [Yeah.] 1042.9267 1010 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1042.6501 [Never did] that. It didn't [make sense] to me. 1044.3561 1011 LES_int_01 1043.8091 [Yeah.] 1044.0067 1012 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1044.7355 You know, you was taught that. You walk down the block, 1046.3687 1013 LES_int_01 1046.5223 [Right.] 1046.8867 1014 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1046.5838 [You look,] you check yourself. Check your surroundings every once in a while. 1049.1549 1015 LES_int_01 1049.1549 Yeah. 1049.5719 1016 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1049.6510 These the things that w- 1050.5510 1017 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1050.5510 (pause 0.12) 1050.6739 1018 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1050.6739 we were just raised up with. 1051.8060 1019 LES_int_01 1051.9509 [Right.] 1052.4251 1020 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1052.0738 [I remember] throwing out the garbage. 1053.4744 1021 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1053.9651 There was this 1054.4349 1022 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1054.4349 (pause 0.29) 1054.7246 1023 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1054.7246 um, junkie guy, 1055.9495 1024 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1055.9495 (pause 0.28) 1056.2305 1025 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1056.2305 um, he was running away form people shooting at him. 1058.0202 1026 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1058.0202 (pause 1.13) 1059.1485 1027 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1059.1485 And we had just finished thro- we had just been- we had literally just throw- we would throw out the garbage 1063.1513 1028 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1063.1513 (pause 0.23) 1063.3840 1029 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1063.3840 while he had just ran away from somebody shooting at him. 1065.1050 1030 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1065.1050 (pause 0.51) 1065.6187 1031 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1065.6187 And I remember like, 1066.4001 1032 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1066.4001 (pause 0.51) 1066.9116 1033 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1066.9116 him breathing so hard 1068.8302 1034 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1068.8302 (pause 0.10) 1068.9267 1035 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1068.9267 and 1069.5370 1036 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1069.5370 (pause 0.55) 1070.0858 1037 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1070.0858 and- and um 1070.8656 1038 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1070.8656 (pause 0.15) 1071.0192 1039 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1071.0192 sweating and he was- it was 1072.7490 1040 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1072.7490 (pause 0.11) 1072.8588 1041 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1072.8588 we heard the gunshots, and then I figured we- we- we they was probably, like that was the guy that was 1076.2832 1042 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1076.2832 (pause 0.43) 1076.7167 1043 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1076.7167 but I remember us throwing out the garbage 1077.9767 1044 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1077.9767 (pause 0.29) 1078.2621 1045 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1078.2621 and I remember being like this little girl. 1079.8627 1046 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1079.8627 (pause 0.12) 1079.9812 1047 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1079.9812 When my- cause my sister and I threw out the garbage together, like come on. What kind- 1082.6129 1048 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1082.6129 (pause 0.16) 1082.7753 1049 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1082.7753 kind of- neighborhood you have [to throw out the garbage together.] 1084.9073 1050 LES_int_01 1084.1606 [You throw together.] 1085.2865 1051 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1085.4254 It's just- but. 1086.0488 1052 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1086.0488 (pause 0.64) 1086.6898 1053 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1086.6898 Um. 1087.3878 1054 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1087.3878 (pause 0.57) 1087.9558 1055 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1087.9558 We- I remember us like, just knowing what to do. 1089.9237 1056 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1089.9237 (pause 0.15) 1090.0730 1057 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1090.0730 I remember just knowing like 1091.1618 1058 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1091.1618 (pause 0.38) 1091.5437 1059 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1091.5437 Don't pay him no mind. 1092.6435 1060 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1092.6435 (pause 0.30) 1092.9421 1061 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1092.9421 Act calm. 1093.6840 1062 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1093.6840 (pause 0.14) 1093.8201 1063 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1093.8201 Act like he's not even here. 1095.1109 1064 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1095.1109 (pause 0.53) 1095.6448 1065 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1095.6448 And throw out the garbage. And I was fucking terrified. 1098.1604 1066 LES_int_01 1098.3931 [Yeah.] 1098.8278 1067 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1098.5512 [But I remember] like, just being like 1100.0537 1068 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1100.3479 no. We gonna throw out- and her and I literally talked like he wasn't s- 1102.9454 1069 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1102.9454 (pause 0.25) 1103.2001 1070 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1103.2001 like breathing all hard, out of breath. 1106.3611 1071 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1106.3611 (pause 0.24) 1106.5981 1072 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1106.5981 We were talking, like, yeah the food was good. And we both knew. We didn't even- 1109.8502 1073 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1109.8502 (pause 0.27) 1110.1180 1074 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1110.1180 We never looked at each other once 1111.6195 1075 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1111.6195 (pause 0.22) 1111.8346 1076 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1111.8346 to know like, man, we just keep it moving. Don't act like we don't see him, throw the garbage out, act like we don't even know he's there. 1117.0519 1077 LES_int_01 1117.1161 You knew [exactly.] 1118.1522 1078 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1117.5551 [They-] 1117.7922 1079 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1117.7922 (pause 0.35) 1118.1434 1080 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1118.1434 We knew exactly wha- they were drug dealers, they- 1119.7415 1081 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1119.9302 they sold drugs in the buildings. 1121.4048 1082 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1121.4048 (pause 0.36) 1121.7648 1083 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1121.7648 Um. 1122.3537 1084 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1122.3537 (pause 0.18) 1122.5293 1085 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1122.5293 All the time. They was drugs- dru- drug dealer- I'm talking about huge operations. 1125.8873 1086 LES_int_01 1125.8873 Yeah. 1126.3527 1087 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1126.4097 On every floor. You- 1127.5490 1088 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1127.5490 (pause 0.23) 1127.7773 1089 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1127.7773 we used [to hang] 1128.3480 1090 LES_int_01 1128.0783 [/RD-ADDRESS-2/] 1128.8310 1091 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1128.8617 Yeah. /RD-ADDRESS-2/ [too.] 1129.8830 1092 LES_int_01 1129.6043 [Yeah.] 1130.0454 1093 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1130.1771 We used to be in the um, hallway. We used to play a lot in the hallway too. [That was another] safe place. 1133.7596 1094 LES_int_01 1132.8420 [Yeah.] 1133.2196 1095 LES_int_01 1133.8694 [Okay.] 1134.2118 1096 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1134.0977 [Play] out in the hallway 1134.9142 1097 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1135.2460 and when 1135.9002 1098 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1135.9002 (pause 0.29) 1136.1884 1099 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1136.1884 we would go by the- some people were coming by to get the drugs, you would see like 1139.9879 1100 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1139.9879 (pause 0.13) 1140.1206 1101 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1140.1206 tons of money on the 1141.0173 1102 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1141.0173 (pause 0.57) 1141.5845 1103 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1141.5845 table and 1142.3211 1104 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1142.3211 (pause 0.48) 1142.7993 1105 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1142.7993 it was just c- we couldn't [even think about it.] 1144.6338 1106 LES_int_01 1143.8743 [That's crazy.] 1144.8945 1107 LES_int_01 1145.3429 Did you ever have any like, experiences 1147.4565 1108 LES_int_01 1147.4565 (pause 0.18) 1147.6394 1109 LES_int_01 1147.6394 that affected you personally with 1149.2523 1110 LES_int_01 1149.2523 (pause 0.15) 1149.4033 1111 LES_int_01 1149.4033 any of this s- stuff? Like vi- li- violence, 1152.3125 1112 LES_int_01 1152.3125 (pause 0.27) 1152.5778 1113 LES_int_01 1152.5778 1152.7059 1114 LES_int_01 1152.7059 (pause 0.26) 1152.9667 1115 LES_int_01 1152.9667 fights, 1153.8405 1116 LES_int_01 1153.8405 (pause 0.96) 1154.8012 1117 LES_int_01 1154.8012 Did it ever like touch you? You know, you saw it. But [did it touch you?] 1157.9918 1118 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1157.0403 [ I saw it.] No I saw it but 1159.0486 1119 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1159.7120 I never touched it. Even when I was older, my mother was like 1161.7341 1120 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1161.7341 (pause 0.42) 1162.1570 1121 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1162.1570 nine o'clock. You gotta be home. 1163.6255 1122 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1163.6255 (pause 0.20) 1163.8222 1123 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1163.8222 I don't care what none of your friends are doing. 1165.7254 1124 LES_int_01 1165.7948 [Yeah.] 1166.2709 1125 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1165.8742 [Nine-o'clock. You gotta.] 1166.4524 1126 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1166.5443 no- not- no- no- not nine-o- 1168.0358 1127 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1168.0358 (pause 0.37) 1168.4061 1128 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1168.4061 one. 1168.8498 1129 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1168.8498 (pause 0.24) 1169.0879 1130 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1169.0879 [Nine o'clock.] 1169.7579 1131 LES_int_01 1169.0879 [Yeah.] 1169.4053 1132 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1170.2138 And if I came in at nine-o-one, 1171.7787 1133 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1171.7787 (pause 0.25) 1172.0256 1134 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1172.0256 one day without the phone. 1172.9910 1135 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1172.9910 (pause 0.35) 1173.3437 1136 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1173.3437 [Nine fifteen] 1174.1328 1137 LES_int_01 1173.7043 [Oh, shit.] 1174.3303 1138 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1174.4105 fifteen days without the phone. Nine thirty, thirty days without the phone. 1178.1555 1139 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1178.1555 (pause 0.46) 1178.6139 1140 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1178.6139 And, if you wanna knock out some days, you have to clean out the cabinets, 1181.9796 1141 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1181.9796 (pause 0.26) 1182.2353 1142 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1182.2353 and rearrange the linen closet 1183.8576 1143 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1183.8576 (pause 0.17) 1184.0295 1144 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1184.0295 to knock off some days, but. 1185.4269 1145 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1185.4269 (pause 0.42) 1185.8434 1146 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1185.8434 But, that's [what.] 1186.3504 1147 LES_int_01 1186.2225 [She was] tough. 1187.0645 1148 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1187.0572 Yeah, she was tough. But, so, other than that, we really, I mean, I have to if- 1190.0834 1149 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1190.2201 I have to really think about 1191.6175 1150 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1191.6175 (pause 0.74) 1192.3537 1151 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1192.3537 well, my brother 1193.1708 1152 LES_int_01 1193.7527 [Mm-hm.] 1194.0613 1153 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1193.9203 [was] attacked a lot. My brother's also homosexual. 1196.3493 1154 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1197.0943 And [um.] 1197.7864 1155 LES_int_01 1197.5395 [Oh] no. So, [I'm sh- yeah. I mean.] 1201.1378 1156 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1198.8960 [That made- that was like, that just made it-] 1200.7542 1157 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1201.1497 That just added- that just added fuel to it. 1202.7131 1158 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1202.7131 (pause 0.39) 1203.1054 1159 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1203.1054 And um. 1203.8593 1160 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1203.8593 (pause 1.18) 1205.0410 1161 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1205.0410 I watched my mother struggle with that, you know, struggle with tryna um, 1207.9505 1162 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1207.9505 (pause 0.98) 1208.9291 1163 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1208.9291 worry about her son who wasn't accepted in the [community and] 1211.6579 1164 LES_int_01 1211.1818 [Yeah.] 1211.8298 1165 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1212.4307 um, 1212.9663 1166 LES_int_01 1212.9663 Sucks. 1213.6336 1167 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1213.6336 it wasn't safe for him. 1214.7657 1168 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1215.1126 So, like, he came home, he came home a couple of times beat up. 1218.1073 1169 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1218.1073 (pause 0.93) 1219.0336 1170 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1219.0336 Um. Jumped. 1219.8272 1171 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1219.8272 (pause 0.15) 1219.9764 1172 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1219.9764 And then at one point, his husband, who he's still with today, 1221.8774 1173 LES_int_01 1221.9784 [Yeah.] 1222.2418 1174 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1221.9916 [they still] together, it was 1222.8872 1175 LES_int_01 1223.1791 Yeah. 1223.4206 1176 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1223.4206 they're- they're going on like sixteen- seventeen years. I don't know. [Eighteen years. I'm doing a discredit.] 1227.2851 1177 LES_int_01 1225.4506 [Oh, that's cool.] 1226.8423 1178 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1227.3949 [They've been together] for a long time. 1228.8091 1179 LES_int_01 1227.3949 [Yeah.] 1227.7373 1180 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1229.4918 And at the time, he was actually staying with us too. And I remember them coming home one day 1232.8767 1181 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1232.8767 (pause 0.69) 1233.5709 1182 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1233.5709 and he's a- he was a foster kid and 1235.3446 1183 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1235.3446 (pause 0.62) 1235.9632 1184 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1235.9632 displaced out of his community, and my [mother-] My mother used to also take everybody in too. 1239.6197 1185 LES_int_01 1237.5728 [Yeah.] 1237.8267 1186 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1239.7997 [I hated that.] 1240.4627 1187 LES_int_01 1239.7997 [Yeah. ] 1241.5207 1188 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1240.7349 [I hated that.] 1241.5207 1189 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1241.9191 I- I learned, like I have to share spaces with people 1244.4684 1190 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1244.4684 (pause 0.29) 1244.7625 1191 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1244.7625 I would be on my- I would come in the morning and all these different people woul- are on the floor, living in my house. My cousins. 1249.7307 1192 LES_int_01 1249.7263 [] 1250.6439 1193 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1250.0731 [Next door] neighbors. 1251.1839 1194 LES_int_01 1251.2673 [] 1252.0999 1195 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1251.7662 [You know.] So, that's how it touched me too. 1253.5794 1196 LES_int_01 1253.6585 Yeah. 1253.9746 1197 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1253.9746 So, like, my brother, he came home beat up a couple of times. 1256.3936 1198 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1256.7843 Uh, 1257.5862 1199 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1257.5862 (pause 0.21) 1257.7926 1200 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1257.7926 my cousins 1258.6926 1201 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1258.6926 (pause 0.18) 1258.8682 1202 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1258.8682 got into some stuff. 1259.9943 1203 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1259.9943 (pause 0.11) 1260.0997 1204 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1260.0997 My father, 1260.6836 1205 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1260.6836 (pause 0.22) 1260.8987 1206 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1260.8987 he's addicted to [drugs.] 1262.0446 1207 LES_int_01 1261.8514 [Yeah.] 1262.4309 1208 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1262.4309 So, what does that mean? Like 1263.7919 1209 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1264.3231 um, the people that are, um, 1265.9991 1210 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1265.9991 (pause 0.79) 1266.7894 1211 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1266.7894 that were around me sometimes weren't- 1268.4752 1212 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1268.4752 (pause 0.98) 1269.4537 1213 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1269.4537 could do some foul behavior, you know, [like, nasty] people, like 1272.1054 1214 LES_int_01 1270.9335 [Yeah.] 1271.5394 1215 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1272.2986 My mother, one day, 1273.0449 1216 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1273.0449 (pause 0.25) 1273.2996 1217 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1273.2996 I remember, this junkie lady kissed me, 1275.0513 1218 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1275.0513 (pause 0.38) 1275.4277 1219 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1275.4277 and my mother makes a big deal out of it. She's like, oh your daughters are so cute. 1278.4438 1220 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1278.4438 (pause 0.14) 1278.5887 1221 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1278.5887 Come here! 1279.1419 1222 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1279.1419 (pause 0.21) 1279.3526 1223 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1279.3526 And my mother used to tell me, never let anybody kiss us, like she was strict with everything. 1282.2908 1224 LES_int_01 1282.2908 Yeah. 1282.7722 1225 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1282.7722 And this lady was like 1283.5376 1226 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1283.9871 and she kissed me, and my mother, she literally went crazy. 1287.1349 1227 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1287.1349 (pause 0.88) 1288.0173 1228 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1288.0173 Oh my gosh! [You never kiss my daughter!] 1290.7366 1229 LES_int_01 1289.1857 [] 1291.6267 1230 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1291.2722 [We don't know where] her lips were, my mother washed [my face, she would check me- took] me to the doctor to get my skin checked, it was a big thing. 1297.8098 1231 LES_int_01 1293.2873 [Oh.] 1294.8327 1232 LES_int_01 1297.8098 Yeah. 1298.1391 1233 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1298.1391 But, it was like, no. No. Don't touch my children. I don't want none of the- [these things] 1301.2392 1234 LES_int_01 1300.7217 [Okay.] 1301.2392 1235 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1301.7046 touching them. My brother got beat up. 1303.0848 1236 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1303.0848 (pause 0.28) 1303.3646 1237 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1303.3646 My other brother- 1304.3298 1238 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1304.3298 (pause 0.28) 1304.6142 1239 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1304.6142 I- I once had a gun pulled out on me. 1306.3756 1240 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1306.3756 (pause 0.29) 1306.6694 1241 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1306.6694 But, it was like 1307.5647 1242 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1307.5647 (pause 0.95) 1308.5113 1243 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1308.5113 if I think about it, it was this guy, his name is /RD-NAME-1/. 1310.7075 1244 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1310.7075 (pause 0.29) 1311.0012 1245 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1311.0012 And I was ta- he was tryna talk to one of my little friends. 1313.3942 1246 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1313.3942 (pause 0.09) 1313.4828 1247 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1313.4828 And he's my brother's age. 1314.6205 1248 LES_int_01 1314.6951 Yeah. 1315.1101 1249 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1315.3869 He's tryna talk to my little friend. 1316.7019 1250 LES_int_01 1316.8184 Yeah. 1317.1355 1251 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1317.1355 And I was like, I'm- was almost a little- like really like 1319.4907 1252 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1319.7454 outspoken. I still am, but you know. 1321.6612 1253 LES_int_01 1321.6612 [No. ] 1324.0451 1254 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1322.0607 [I know, right.] 1322.6095 1255 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1322.6095 (pause 0.41) 1323.0222 1256 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1323.0222 [I was more like, what?] 1323.9617 1257 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1324.2075 And I said to him, but t- should've minded my business, I said 1326.3193 1258 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1326.3193 (pause 0.65) 1326.9734 1259 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1326.9734 That's a little girl you're messing with. You don't got enough girls your age? What you doing with that little girl? That's nasty. 1332.2752 1260 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1332.2752 (pause 0.56) 1332.8366 1261 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1332.8366 And 1333.4600 1262 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1333.4600 (pause 0.11) 1333.5742 1263 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1333.5742 we were still young. He was probably was sixteen, or 1336.0772 1264 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1336.0772 (pause 0.34) 1336.4196 1265 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1336.4196 fifteen at the time. He was still a young kid, we were all still little kids, but [he had a] gun. 1340.3034 1266 LES_int_01 1339.4824 [Yeah.] 1339.8931 1267 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1341.0717 He had a gun. 1341.6731 1268 LES_int_01 1341.8092 Yeah. 1342.1253 1269 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1342.1253 And he [came up to me,] 1343.0484 1270 LES_int_01 1342.6174 [And he-] he pulled it? 1343.9879 1271 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1343.9879 He pulled it out on me. He was like you need to open u- you need to shut your mouth up 1347.0435 1272 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1347.4365 or I'll take care of you- 1348.6696 1273 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1348.6696 (pause 0.11) 1348.7749 1274 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1348.7749 I'll take care of you and your- and go- and he said, I'll take care of you, he says, and get your brother. 1352.4057 1275 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1352.4057 (pause 0.61) 1353.0203 1276 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1353.0203 And that's when I realize, like 1354.3462 1277 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1354.3462 (pause 1.05) 1355.3955 1278 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1355.3955 that's just like 1356.1067 1279 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1356.1067 (pause 0.45) 1356.5589 1280 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1356.5589 that's a condition in my community 1358.1482 1281 LES_int_01 1358.2711 [Yeah.] 1358.8375 1282 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1358.5038 [and my brother] 1359.4609 1283 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1359.7945 I realize I need to never do that again. Never open my mouth and put my family at risk, cause here it is, my brother 1364.8647 1284 LES_int_01 1365.0340 [Right]. 1365.4816 1285 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1365.1552 [He wasn't] a drug dealer. 1366.2697 1286 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1366.4981 My brother was a basketball player. And that's what made him cool. He could dunk, 1369.4056 1287 LES_int_01 1369.6713 [Yeah.] 1369.9138 1288 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1369.7086 [he was] fast, and that's why everybody respected him. That's where he got his respect. [Not from selling] drugs or anything like that, 1374.7778 1289 LES_int_01 1373.0672 [Yeah.] 1373.5335 1290 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1375.0343 and that's what his- that's what his thing was, like 1376.7922 1291 LES_int_01 1376.9027 [Yeah.] 1377.3337 1292 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1377.0626 [Man] and I'll shoot your punk ass brother too. And what 1379.3790 1293 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1379.9246 And it made me realize, man the community I was in, there's fifteen year-olds with guns. 1383.5236 1294 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1383.5236 (pause 0.44) 1383.9665 1295 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1383.9665 And 1384.4375 1296 LES_int_01 1384.4375 Yeah. 1384.9504 1297 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1385.0483 you know, my brother could- 1386.2866 1298 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1386.2866 (pause 0.14) 1386.4218 1299 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1386.4218 could a- could potentially be 1387.9279 1300 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1387.9279 (pause 0.42) 1388.3511 1301 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1388.3511 you know, could have gotten killed because of that. 1390.0825 1302 LES_int_01 1390.4649 Yeah. 1390.8799 1303 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1390.9591 You know, [so.] 1391.7938 1304 LES_int_01 1391.4954 [Yeah.] 1391.9104 1305 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1392.8243 And then that's 1393.2180 1306 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1393.2180 (pause 0.10) 1393.3159 1307 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1393.3159 I mean, not even counting all the little hood fights that happened [but] 1395.8209 1308 LES_int_01 1395.6627 [] 1397.0942 1309 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1396.0401 [nothing crazy. Nothing] like 1397.7144 1310 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1398.2413 really crazy actually 1399.5787 1311 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1399.5787 (pause 0.55) 1400.1289 1312 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1400.1289 directly affected me until later on, when I came back to the neighborhood from college. 1404.2249 1313 LES_int_01 1404.4580 Okay, so you went away? 1405.6611 1314 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1405.7730 Yeah, I went away. 1406.4118 1315 LES_int_01 1406.5800 Okay. 1406.9250 1316 LES_int_01 1406.9250 (pause 0.91) 1407.8390 1317 LES_int_01 1407.8390 Um. 1408.8368 1318 LES_int_01 1408.8368 (pause 0.28) 1409.1166 1319 LES_int_01 1409.1166 1409.2378 1320 LES_int_01 1409.2378 (pause 0.35) 1409.5836 1321 LES_int_01 1409.5836 And then, I mean, what was different when you came back? 1411.8374 1322 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1412.4914 1412.6277 1323 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1412.6277 (pause 0.81) 1413.4393 1324 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1413.4393 Man. 1414.1434 1325 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1414.1434 (pause 0.97) 1415.1133 1326 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1415.1133 Everything. 1415.7848 1327 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1415.7848 (pause 5.79) 1421.5749 1328 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1421.5749 Everything. 1422.2511 1329 LES_int_01 1422.2697 [What?] 1422.7127 1330 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1422.4236 [And] 1422.7127 1331 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1422.8432 I- it was more like, [you know how] 1424.3074 1332 LES_int_01 1423.5707 [What was it?] 1424.3074 1333 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1425.3461 you know, if you look at this painting, right. 1426.7962 1334 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1426.7962 (pause 0.26) 1427.0574 1335 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1427.0574 [This painting] that's sitting there and you're staring really close to it, you could admire all the detail of everything, [and all the] colors. 1432.0153 1336 LES_int_01 1427.0574 [Mm-hm.] 1427.5535 1337 LES_int_01 1427.5535 (pause 3.54) 1431.0927 1338 LES_int_01 1431.0927 [Yeah.] 1431.4470 1339 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1432.6961 And it just took a while for me to really step back and see what was happening in my neighborhood. 1436.7993 1340 LES_int_01 1436.9812 Yeah. 1437.3729 1341 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1437.3729 You know, and then see the whole full picture. 1439.1467 1342 LES_int_01 1439.3006 [Yeah.] 1439.7342 1343 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1439.5104 [So, it] looked very beautiful 1440.7600 1344 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1441.1647 at- 1441.3652 1345 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1441.3652 (pause 0.19) 1441.5564 1346 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1441.5564 at the time. 1442.1766 1347 LES_int_01 1442.1766 Yeah. 1442.5776 1348 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1442.8853 And when you say revitalize, like these- I ca- I put them in like- I've been doing these- when I do workshops, I'm like, let's put down some new 1448.3990 1349 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1448.3990 (pause 0.62) 1449.0199 1350 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1449.0199 bad curse words, like revitalize. 1451.4845 1351 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1451.4845 (pause 0.36) 1451.8482 1352 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1451.8482 Like 1452.2632 1353 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1452.2632 (pause 0.26) 1452.5243 1354 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1452.5243 deconcentrate 1453.6291 1355 LES_int_01 1453.6823 [] 1454.1252 1356 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1454.0301 [like,] 1454.7528 1357 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1455.0419 these are these new 1456.2962 1358 LES_int_01 1456.4892 [Yeah.] 1456.9275 1359 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1456.5638 [bad] words. 1457.6529 1360 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1457.9653 Tha- we didn't ne- we never knew what- 1459.4201 1361 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1459.4201 (pause 0.17) 1459.5880 1362 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1459.5880 would hurt us. 1460.4320 1363 LES_int_01 1460.4973 [Yeah.] 1460.9496 1364 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1460.5299 [Revitalize] our community? That [sounds great.] 1462.7888 1365 LES_int_01 1462.2496 [Sound- sounds] pretty [good.] 1463.6018 1366 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1463.3034 [Sounds] pretty good. 1464.3945 1367 LES_int_01 1464.3945 Yeah. 1464.8468 1368 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1464.8468 But, no. It's not gonna always be 1466.7667 1369 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1467.4102 you know, a- positive things that are coming out of that. 1469.2987 1370 LES_int_01 1469.4712 [Right.] 1469.7743 1371 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1469.6344 [And] when- when I first- when I've 1471.0100 1372 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1471.4145 when I w- 1472.0114 1373 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1472.0114 (pause 1.70) 1473.7133 1374 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1473.7133 I remember like 1474.3055 1375 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1474.3055 (pause 0.72) 1475.0236 1376 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1475.0236 programs were thriving 1476.3199 1377 LES_int_01 1476.5064 Yeah. 1476.8654 1378 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1477.2793 and I remember 1478.2632 1379 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1478.2632 (pause 0.26) 1478.5196 1380 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1478.5196 uh. Kids were /very/ involved and- and- and- 1481.6997 1381 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1481.6997 (pause 0.48) 1482.1847 1382 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1482.1847 and I noticed too, like this is um, 1484.0618 1383 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1484.0618 (pause 0.29) 1484.3509 1384 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1484.3509 simultaneously, funding stopped- 1485.5400 1385 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1485.5400 (pause 0.16) 1485.7032 1386 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1485.7032 started getting cut from um, programs 1487.7455 1387 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1487.7455 (pause 0.13) 1487.8714 1388 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1487.8714 locally. 1488.2930 1389 LES_int_01 1488.3862 Okay. 1488.7360 1390 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1488.7919 This is like maybe like. Yeah, like 1490.4662 1391 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1490.4662 (pause 0.90) 1491.3661 1392 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1491.3661 almost like twenty years ago. 1492.6624 1393 LES_int_01 1492.8209 Okay. 1493.1007 1394 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1493.1007 When Giuliani and /unintelligible/ and [Pataki] 1495.9752 1395 LES_int_01 1495.6721 [Yeah.] 1496.4181 1396 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1496.2596 [They] started cutting [programs.] 1497.6771 1397 LES_int_01 1497.3507 [Yeah.] Yeah. [Yeah.] 1498.3066 1398 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1498.1061 [Tremendously.] 1498.9546 1399 LES_int_01 1499.0665 Yeah. 1499.4256 1400 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1499.4256 In the neighborhoods. 1500.3581 1401 LES_int_01 1500.3581 Yeah. 1500.7638 1402 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1500.8431 And 1501.2534 1403 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1501.2534 (pause 0.93) 1502.1847 1404 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1502.1847 that affected 1503.0179 1405 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1503.0179 (pause 0.23) 1503.2528 1406 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1503.2528 a lot. I used to coach basketball. 1504.8615 1407 LES_int_01 1505.1584 Okay. 1505.5484 1408 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1505.7124 I was one of those l- that's another thing that's a memory 1507.5773 1409 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1507.5773 (pause 0.35) 1507.9229 1410 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1507.9229 when I was a little girl, I was this tomboy 1509.5583 1411 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1509.5583 (pause 0.32) 1509.8818 1412 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1509.8818 and 1510.4136 1413 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1510.4136 (pause 0.21) 1510.6219 1414 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1510.6219 they was like- I used to always come, and they was like, you know what, 1512.6029 1415 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1512.6029 (pause 0.26) 1512.8645 1416 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1512.8645 if you want little girls- Cause I kept on saying, I want little girls, they say, you know what? You want little girls, 1516.2592 1417 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1516.2592 (pause 0.13) 1516.3877 1418 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1516.3877 go get 'em. 1516.9284 1419 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1516.9284 (pause 1.06) 1517.9920 1420 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1517.9920 And I said 1518.4441 1421 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1518.4441 (pause 0.23) 1518.6701 1422 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1518.6701 oh. 1519.0335 1423 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1519.0335 (pause 0.20) 1519.2295 1424 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1519.2295 And then if I get little girls, we could have a team? 1521.0687 1425 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1521.0687 (pause 0.43) 1521.4942 1426 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1521.4942 He said, yeah. 1522.0683 1427 LES_int_01 1522.8129 Oh. 1523.1585 1428 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1523.1585 So, I'm like, no problem. 1524.1246 1429 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1524.5324 Me and I could tell you right, my homegirl, /RD-NAME-2/, we still talk to this day, we still work together 1528.3274 1430 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1528.3274 (pause 0.15) 1528.4781 1431 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1528.4781 actually. Like, she works 1529.5064 1432 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1529.5064 (pause 0.48) 1529.9850 1433 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1529.9850 with youths, and I work here, but we actually bridged those gaps. She has her youth come and organize with us and do 1534.7946 1434 LES_int_01 1532.7496 [Yeah.] 1533.2194 1435 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1535.0693 organize with public housing, but both of us went and we 1537.6575 1436 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1537.6575 (pause 0.53) 1538.1893 1437 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1538.1893 did recruiting 1538.9081 1438 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1538.9081 (pause 0.37) 1539.2803 1439 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1539.2803 for- for youth. For girls, and we came up with all of these little girls 1542.0986 1440 LES_int_01 1542.0986 Yeah. 1542.4842 1441 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1542.4975 they were none of our- none of the- our age. 1544.3943 1442 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1544.3943 (pause 0.51) 1544.9092 1443 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1544.9092 [So, we] wind up becoming junior coaches, and we started our own little program. 1548.1513 1444 LES_int_01 1544.9092 [Yeah.] 1545.1796 1445 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1548.3064 This was- just is- very [true.] 1549.7866 1446 LES_int_01 1549.5248 [How] old were you? 1550.5799 1447 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1550.6153 Literally, I was like probably like fourteen, fifteen. 1553.1265 1448 LES_int_01 1553.1886 Oh. That's [so cool.] 1554.7707 1449 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1554.1104 [Fourteen, fifteen.] 1555.1341 1450 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1555.3557 And [we had a team.] 1556.3611 1451 LES_int_01 1555.4614 [Yeah.] 1555.8559 1452 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1556.7112 And we had practices. [And we had] the gym on certain hours, for [certain hours] for certain days. [We did it.] 1561.3220 1453 LES_int_01 1557.8201 [] 1558.1791 1454 LES_int_01 1558.1791 (pause 1.43) 1559.6096 1455 LES_int_01 1559.6096 [Yeah.] 1560.0665 1456 LES_int_01 1560.0665 (pause 0.81) 1560.8727 1457 LES_int_01 1560.8727 [Yeah.] 1561.1651 1458 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1561.7785 We did it. 1562.2749 1459 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1562.2749 (pause 0.34) 1562.6161 1460 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1562.6161 But, I used- so I used to coach basketball. 1564.4462 1461 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1564.4462 (pause 0.32) 1564.7640 1462 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1564.7640 And one of the- a lot of little girls that we coached 1566.8381 1463 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1566.8381 (pause 0.33) 1567.1705 1464 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1567.1705 they pregnant now. 1567.9549 1465 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1567.9549 (pause 0.45) 1568.4063 1466 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1568.4063 They have babies and 1569.4744 1467 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1569.4744 (pause 0.81) 1570.2854 1468 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1570.2854 And- and I- I mean, I'm not trying to say that that was the end all be all of the programs, but [they didn't] have no- anywhere to go. When we cut that program there was really nothing for those kids to do. 1578.6939 1469 LES_int_01 1574.4085 [Yeah.] 1574.8162 1470 LES_int_01 1578.8047 Yeah. 1579.2524 1471 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1579.6867 And uh- [so I] came back and now a lot of them are 1582.3336 1472 LES_int_01 1580.7717 [Yeah.] 1581.0154 1473 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1582.4134 pregnant and 1583.2155 1474 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1583.2155 (pause 0.36) 1583.5789 1475 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1583.5789 addicted to [drugs and.] 1584.8406 1476 LES_int_01 1584.4411 [Right.] 1584.8229 1477 LES_int_01 1584.9159 Right. [Go i- go for it. No, don't worry about it.] 1586.6177 1478 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1585.3104 [Oh sorry. Let me] 1586.2410 1479 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1586.2410 (pause 0.13) 1586.3696 1480 LES_se0_ag2_f_01 1586.3696 [turn this] off. 1586.8792 1481 LES_int_01 1586.8792 Don't worry. I can pause it too. Don't worry about it. 1588.4436