Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 LES_int_01 0.7500 So, okay. So, it is, what is the date? October sixteenth. 4.0427 2 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 4.4099 Two thousand and [eight.] 5.5075 3 LES_int_01 5.3538 [Two] thousand and eight. 6.1177 4 LES_int_01 6.2626 And we are talking to. Now, tell me your whole name, [/RD-NAME-3/] 8.8836 5 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 8.7431 [My] whole name? [] 10.3061 6 LES_int_01 9.6519 [Yeah.] 9.8758 7 LES_int_01 10.3061 Cause you got a long one. 11.1589 8 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 11.1589 Yes I [do.] 11.9025 9 LES_int_01 11.5820 [] 12.3635 10 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 12.3722 it's /RD-NAME-9/ 14.4664 11 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 14.4664 (pause 0.16) 14.6245 12 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 14.6245 [/RD-NAME-1/.] 15.0827 13 LES_int_01 14.6245 [Okay.] 15.0827 14 LES_int_01 15.6561 [/RD-NAME-1/] 16.4775 15 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 16.0293 [] 16.9996 16 LES_int_01 17.4035 Awesome. 17.9363 17 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 18.0373 Yeah. 18.3095 18 LES_int_01 18.9329 So, um, I normally ask people to kind of start at the beginning. 21.6582 19 LES_int_01 21.6582 (pause 0.09) 21.7504 20 LES_int_01 21.7504 So, can you tell me, for instance, when and where you were born? 24.6383 21 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 25.2222 Well, 25.9247 22 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 25.9247 (pause 0.23) 26.1574 23 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 26.1574 I was born in Bellevue Hospital. 27.7554 24 LES_int_01 27.8696 Okay. 28.3203 25 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 28.4607 February eighteenth, nineteen seventy-nine. 30.9808 26 LES_int_01 30.9808 Okay. 31.3100 27 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 31.5252 I believe it was a Thursday. 32.8554 28 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 32.8554 (pause 0.17) 33.0266 29 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 33.0266 I'm just lying, I don't know. 34.4432 30 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 34.4432 (pause 0.32) 34.7593 31 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 34.7593 [I know though.] 35.6373 32 LES_int_01 34.9393 [It was a- it was a beautiful day, sunny day.] 37.2266 33 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 35.9842 [ I- No, actually,] it was a snow storm. 38.4515 34 LES_int_01 38.5933 [Okay.]0 38.9720 35 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 38.6855 [A very] bad blizzard, [and that it snowed] three feet, and [it was-] 41.4447 36 LES_int_01 39.7585 [Oh.] 40.2985 37 LES_int_01 40.2985 (pause 0.82) 41.1151 38 LES_int_01 41.1151 [Oh] wow. 41.9289 39 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 41.9289 it was hard because my mom couldn't get a ambulance 44.7396 40 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 45.1918 to get her, so she had to get in the cab. 47.0648 41 LES_int_01 47.3721 Oh [man.] 48.2414 42 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 48.0043 [She thought] I was gonna be a cab baby. 49.6232 43 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 49.7835 Like, thank God I wasn't. 50.7207 44 LES_int_01 50.7854 Like you were gonna be born in the cab. 52.2144 45 LES_int_01 52.2144 (pause 0.67) 52.8861 46 LES_int_01 52.8861 They made it to the hospital 54.0479 47 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 54.1241 Yeah, we made it to the hospital, so and then there was me. 56.6529 48 LES_int_01 56.8022 Okay. 57.2369 49 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 57.5310 And um. 58.2422 50 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 58.2422 (pause 0.23) 58.4749 51 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 58.4749 I was born and raised in Baruch Projects, /RD-ADDRESS-8/ 62.8816 52 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 62.8816 (pause 0.52) 63.4031 53 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 63.4031 Then we moved to [/RD-ADDRESS-8/.] 66.1177 54 LES_int_01 66.0567 [Yeah.] 66.2214 55 LES_int_01 66.7666 [I might need to /check/] with this just a little bit if that's okay. 68.9193 56 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 66.8105 [and um.] 67.2451 57 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 67.2451 (pause 0.25) 67.4998 58 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 67.4998 Mm-hm. 67.9300 59 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 69.2699 No problem. 69.9474 60 LES_int_01 69.9474 That's better. 70.5106 61 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 71.0851 And um. 71.4802 62 LES_int_01 71.9983 So, tell me a little bit about your family. You already mentioned, [but your-] 75.4578 63 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 74.5578 [A little bit] about my family. Well, my grandmother moved down [here] 77.7612 64 LES_int_01 77.5768 [She's from North [Carolina?] 78.7710 65 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 78.6524 [She's] from North Carolina originally. She moved up to 81.0934 66 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 81.2208 Harlem 81.7564 67 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 81.7564 (pause 0.43) 82.1866 68 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 82.1866 when she was seventeen. 83.2913 69 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 83.2913 (pause 0.77) 84.0596 70 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 84.0596 She got married, had her kids and she decided she wanted to leave Harlem. 87.3238 71 LES_int_01 87.3150 Mm-hm. 87.6311 72 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 87.7847 And she moved down here to Lower East Side. When she first got down here, it was two buildings. 91.5955 73 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 91.5955 (pause 0.15) 91.7448 74 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 91.7448 And there was marshland. 92.8401 75 LES_int_01 92.9667 This is Baruch, was two buildings? 94.7009 76 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 93.8667 [This is Baru-] Baruch was two buildings. 96.4614 77 LES_int_01 96.6853 [That's amazing.] 97.3642 78 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 96.7847 [And she told me] that the um 97.9657 79 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 98.9530 the demographics of the area were actually 100.8628 80 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 100.8628 (pause 0.36) 101.2213 81 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 101.2213 Jewish, Chinese, and Italian. 103.2144 82 LES_int_01 103.8730 [Okay.] 104.1276 83 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 104.0047 [Very] little Latinos and very few blacks. 106.3579 84 LES_int_01 106.6081 Mm-hm. 106.8715 85 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 107.3062 So. 107.6530 86 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 107.6530 (pause 0.61) 108.2676 87 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 108.2676 And she said a funny joke. I don't know if this is racist or not, but I wanna share it. 111.5246 88 LES_int_01 111.5861 [] 112.4993 89 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 112.2315 [She said] before the Chinese moved in, there was a lot cats. 114.6637 90 LES_int_01 114.9447 [] 115.9188 91 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 115.1818 [And after they] came in, there were no more cats. (laughing) 118.2368 92 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 118.8163 So, then all of a sudden, there were a bunch of Chinese restaurants. So, you know, she always tells me 122.2744 93 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 122.2744 (pause 0.13) 122.4017 94 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 122.4017 don't eat at no [Chinese food restaurants.] 124.0480 95 LES_int_01 123.1000 [Oh no.] 124.2462 96 LES_int_01 124.3525 [] 125.0103 97 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 124.5661 That's just my little funny joke to share with- from my grandma. 127.0791 98 LES_int_01 126.1898 [That's a good- That's] a good one. [] 128.0387 99 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 127.9174 [But] my grandma had um 129.2464 100 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 129.3862 seven children. 130.2782 101 LES_int_01 130.2782 Oh, wow. 130.9031 102 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 130.9917 So. It w- it was a crew of them. And back in those days, when they were growing up, they moved here 134.8405 103 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 134.8405 (pause 0.13) 134.9664 104 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 134.9664 for real. I'm like 135.6938 105 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 135.6938 (pause 0.18) 135.8757 106 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 135.8757 as teenagers. 136.9004 107 LES_int_01 137.1428 Right. 137.3433 108 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 137.3060 Preteens, teenagers. 138.3645 109 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 138.7982 And at that time, 139.6235 110 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 139.6235 (pause 0.68) 140.2996 111 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 140.2996 Grand Street was still around, but they had a lot of 142.1974 112 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 142.1974 (pause 0.18) 142.3746 113 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 142.3746 like 142.6171 114 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 142.6171 (pause 0.55) 143.1708 115 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 143.1708 community events happening. Um. There's 144.7562 116 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 144.7562 (pause 0.27) 145.0220 117 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 145.0220 actually, in Baruch, it's something called The White House has been shut down forever, since I've ever known. 149.5784 118 LES_int_01 149.7370 Oh. I've seen it. It's a beautiful 151.3410 119 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 152.0566 [It used to] be a pool. It used to be after school prog- it used to be a center. Community center. 155.6470 120 LES_int_01 152.0566 [building.] 152.4623 121 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 156.2299 Pool, 157.0133 122 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 157.0133 (pause 0.15) 157.1671 123 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 157.1671 recreation, 157.9027 124 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 157.9027 (pause 0.44) 158.3410 125 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 158.3410 um, 159.0871 126 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 159.0871 (pause 0.37) 159.4555 127 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 159.4555 dance studios, [all of that.] 161.1061 128 LES_int_01 160.5885 [That's a shame.] 161.2880 129 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 161.9548 And they closed it down. So, whatever. 163.6288 130 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 163.6288 (pause 0.56) 164.1918 131 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 164.1918 I used to be scared 164.9099 132 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 164.9099 (pause 0.26) 165.1664 133 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 165.1664 to death of that building. 166.2621 134 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 166.2621 (pause 0.12) 166.3778 135 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 166.3778 Cause a lot of winos and drug addicts used to hang out over there and it got really dark at night, 170.3096 136 LES_int_01 166.3871 [You did?] 166.6991 137 LES_int_01 170.4775 [Okay.] 170.9411 138 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 170.4961 [so.] 170.9411 139 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 171.2115 We used to run past 172.0415 140 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 172.0415 (pause 0.10) 172.1441 141 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 172.1441 the White House. 172.7596 142 LES_int_01 172.7596 Okay. 173.1280 143 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 173.4532 [But, um.] 173.8527 144 LES_int_01 173.5147 [So, yeah.] Ta- talk about your childhood a little bit. Like, tell me what you remember about growing up in Barauch. 177.8352 145 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 177.9582 I never thought I lived in the projects. 179.6001 146 LES_int_01 179.7933 Okay. 180.1313 147 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 180.1972 That might sound crazy. 181.3152 148 LES_int_01 181.6357 [Yeah.] 181.9071 149 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 181.8552 [But,] I didn't think of it as that. 183.2557 150 LES_int_01 183.4840 Yeah. 183.7255 151 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 183.8616 It was, um. 184.4543 152 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 184.4543 (pause 0.49) 184.9463 153 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 184.9463 Was a- it was a 186.0132 154 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 186.0132 (pause 0.77) 186.7843 155 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 186.7843 fantasy land. I don't wanna say it like that. Maybe that sounds corny too. 189.5528 156 LES_int_01 189.5528 [No, that's great.] 190.4045 157 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 189.8162 [But I used to climb] the trees. 191.3107 158 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 191.3941 My brother and I and my friends used to climb the trees, you know. 193.9773 159 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 193.9773 (pause 0.34) 194.3197 160 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 194.3197 Play freeze tag, manhunt, all those type of games, we had 197.1316 161 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 197.1316 (pause 0.36) 197.4873 162 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 197.4873 park, was a wonderful place. Like, that was the place to be. Like I 201.3041 163 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 201.3041 (pause 0.31) 201.6158 164 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 201.6158 my mom used to send me to the store 203.1991 165 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 203.1991 (pause 0.23) 203.4318 166 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 203.4318 for breakfast 204.2879 167 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 204.2879 (pause 0.35) 204.6344 168 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 204.6344 and I would never come back. 205.8198 169 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 205.8198 (pause 0.78) 206.5954 170 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 206.5954 I would stay out until like five o'clock with the milk, and the eggs, and the [Clorox, and everything like that.] She's like 211.7671 171 LES_int_01 210.1032 [] 211.3984 172 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 211.8857 where were you? I was like, oh. Uh. 213.6359 173 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 213.6359 (pause 0.43) 214.0705 174 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 214.0705 I g- I go- I forgot [something.] 215.6203 175 LES_int_01 215.0232 [] 216.0461 176 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 216.1383 So. 216.5159 177 LES_int_01 216.5159 And was that cool? Like were you able to go out and explore? 219.5408 178 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 219.8964 It was so safe. 221.1345 179 LES_int_01 221.3628 [It was.] 221.8501 180 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 221.4989 [I mean] it was safe, but at the same time if you- 223.7759 181 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 224.3774 if you 224.7593 182 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 224.7593 (pause 0.22) 224.9832 183 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 224.9832 if you- if you had negative behaviors, obviously, then 228.1618 184 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 228.1618 (pause 0.12) 228.2803 185 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 228.2803 you know. 228.5817 186 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 228.5817 (pause 0.48) 229.0603 187 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 229.0603 But, 229.3676 188 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 229.3676 (pause 0.76) 230.1271 189 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 230.1271 My family, we weren't big 231.6769 190 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 231.6769 (pause 0.20) 231.8744 191 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 231.8744 street people, like 232.8930 192 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 232.8930 (pause 0.27) 233.1652 193 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 233.1652 there were some family members who hung- who hung out in the streets, who got involved in 236.5837 194 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 236.5837 (pause 0.32) 236.9086 195 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 236.9086 some drugs, and gang stuff like that. As [a whole though,] my family's a really holistic type family. 241.0645 196 LES_int_01 238.5347 [Yeah.] 238.7655 197 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 241.4016 Really spiritual. 242.2489 198 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 242.2489 (pause 0.36) 242.6045 199 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 242.6045 You know, I come from, um. My grandmother's Jehovah's Witness, my mama's 245.3820 200 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 245.3820 (pause 0.37) 245.7508 201 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 245.7508 b- I was raised a Muslim. 246.9582 202 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 246.9582 (pause 0.35) 247.3050 203 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 247.3050 And at that time there were no Muslims out here. Very few Muslims. So, that was a struggle for me and my si- siblings. 251.8167 204 LES_int_01 251.8167 Right. 252.2689 205 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 252.2689 You know, cause young, we 253.2260 206 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 253.5684 were- I had scarves, and they would get pulled off, and everything like that, so it was 256.8885 207 LES_int_01 257.2266 [Wow.] 257.5866 208 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 257.2793 [a bit] of culture shock, because like, inside the home, it was a total different atmosphere than once you stepped outside the doors. 263.3232 209 LES_int_01 263.3232 Yeah. Now how did your- your mom ci- come to Islam? 265.8900 210 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 266.3202 In the sixti- 267.6684 211 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 267.6684 (pause 0.13) 267.7957 212 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 267.7957 late seven- early s- late sixties, early seventies, [she became] Muslim, [as well] as my uncle. She moved to um, Atlanta, then she moved to DC where she met my dad. 275.7069 213 LES_int_01 270.1769 [Okay.] 270.4271 214 LES_int_01 270.4271 (pause 0.78) 271.2060 215 LES_int_01 271.2060 [Okay.] 271.4581 216 LES_int_01 275.8255 Wow. 276.3102 217 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 276.3655 And, 276.8177 218 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 276.8177 (pause 0.47) 277.2874 219 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 277.2874 that's how all of that went [down.] 278.6001 220 LES_int_01 278.3718 [Wow.] 278.7494 221 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 279.0878 So, my family were actually, uh Black Panthers a lot, 282.3927 222 LES_int_01 282.3927 Right. 282.5991 223 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 282.5991 very 282.9892 224 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 283.1209 political 283.7757 225 LES_int_01 283.7757 Yeah. 284.0435 226 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 284.1488 activists, and um 285.2283 227 LES_int_01 285.4302 Right. 285.7200 228 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 285.9132 I mean, I'm talking about, they were 287.0415 229 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 287.0415 (pause 0.21) 287.2478 230 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 287.2478 they were making incense in the 288.2996 231 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 288.2996 (pause 0.17) 288.4709 232 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 288.4709 bathtub. 288.9582 233 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 288.9582 (pause 0.22) 289.1821 234 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 289.1821 Like, 289.4762 235 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 289.4762 (pause 0.74) 290.2182 236 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 290.2182 [That's] how serious it was. [My uncle] was still a merchant, and he was actually 293.2855 237 LES_int_01 290.2182 [Right.] 290.5372 238 LES_int_01 290.5372 (pause 0.65) 291.1869 239 LES_int_01 291.1869 [Right.] 291.5162 240 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 293.6148 he had one of the first 294.5631 241 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 294.5631 (pause 0.40) 294.9582 242 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 294.9582 stores 295.7616 243 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 295.7616 (pause 0.57) 296.3280 244 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 296.3280 on Avenue A. 297.5162 245 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 297.5162 (pause 1.32) 298.8333 246 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 298.8333 Right across the street from Tompkins Square Park, he had a bookstore. 301.3270 247 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 301.3270 (pause 0.92) 302.2445 248 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 302.2445 [New World.] 302.6821 249 LES_int_01 302.5020 [That's real cool.] 303.1474 250 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 302.9586 [W- New] World Trading. 304.1133 251 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 304.6313 So, [you know.] 305.6235 252 LES_int_01 305.0572 [Cool.] 305.4567 253 LES_int_01 306.2909 And are m- are you still a practicing muslim? 308.1304 254 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 308.1963 Yes, I am. [I just,] you know. 309.2923 255 LES_int_01 308.7084 [Okay.] 309.0201 256 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 310.4206 Got a l- got a little older, [wanted to be a little more, yeah. Wanted] to be a little more- 314.7187 257 LES_int_01 312.1548 [No more scarves, right? ] 313.8504 258 LES_int_01 314.8504 Yeah. 315.1738 259 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 315.2440 Do what I g- wanna do kind of thing. [But, my sib-] my sister, you know, everybody else still covers their /?/. 319.4915 260 LES_int_01 316.5678 [Yeah.] 316.8523 261 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 319.9438 I just [don't.] 320.4427 262 LES_int_01 320.2981 [Wow.] 320.8624 263 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 321.1188 But, [um.] 321.6364 264 LES_int_01 321.4033 [So,] that, yeah, that's unique in this neighborhood, [I think.] 323.4864 265 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 323.1239 [Yeah. Very] unique, [cause no-] 324.3257 266 LES_int_01 323.9201 [Did you ever] feel? 325.1511 267 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 325.9717 Yes. I don't even know what you were gonna say, [but.] 328.2053 268 LES_int_01 327.9908 [ L-] yeah. 328.6389 269 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 328.7229 Yes. I mean, it was definitely a struggle, because 331.0578 270 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 331.0578 (pause 0.29) 331.3516 271 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 331.3516 not only that, there weren't- 332.3774 272 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 332.3774 (pause 0.24) 332.6199 273 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 332.6199 when I was growing up, there was a large population of Latinos. 335.9330 274 LES_int_01 335.9889 Mm-hm. 336.3526 275 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 336.3526 Very large, [and] so. 337.7690 276 LES_int_01 337.0742 [Mm-hm.] 337.4146 277 LES_int_01 338.9067 Yeah. What was the make up in Baruch? It was Latino, [African Am-] 341.7325 278 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 341.1356 [It was Latino,] Africa- very few, like, 343.0696 279 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 343.5125 like when my mom was growing up, there were more African American families than there were when I was growing up. 347.4993 280 LES_int_01 347.4993 Mm-hm. 347.7698 281 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 348.0216 The ones who stayed, 349.0742 282 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 349.0742 (pause 0.17) 349.2468 283 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 349.2468 or the families that 350.2679 284 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 350.2679 (pause 0.20) 350.4684 285 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 350.4684 I knew. 350.9254 286 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 350.9254 (pause 0.66) 351.5835 287 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 351.5835 And um, 352.0673 288 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 352.0673 (pause 0.12) 352.1839 289 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 352.1839 a lot of Latinos, and it was a struggle b- growing up as an African American young lady in the- in this neighborhood, because, you know. 357.7549 290 LES_int_01 357.7595 Yeah. 357.9833 291 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 358.7294 Being accepted and things like that, [and um.] 360.5573 292 LES_int_01 360.2835 [Right.] 360.6285 293 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 361.1634 At the- when I was younger, I had very long hair, extremely long hair. 364.0346 294 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 364.0346 (pause 0.09) 364.1232 295 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 364.1232 You know, I just actually cut my hair like two weeks ago. 366.0397 296 LES_int_01 366.0863 Mm. [Looks good.] 366.9070 297 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 366.4593 [And so, /RD-NAME-2/] hasn't even seen it, so she's like gonna probably scream. 369.3539 298 LES_int_01 369.3539 [] 370.2165 299 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 370.0673 [But,] I had very long hair, so the Latino girls were like 372.4593 300 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 373.1261 you know, and the black girls were like, so I kind of really didn't fit in, and I was kind of always really political myself. I was a little 378.2449 301 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 378.2449 (pause 0.25) 378.4920 302 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 378.4920 pro-black 379.1168 303 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 379.1168 (pause 0.55) 379.6705 304 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 379.6705 I used to wear Malcolm X buttons, t-shirts, all of that, you [know.] 382.5009 305 LES_int_01 382.4030 [Because] your family [had] 383.6595 306 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 383.3131 [Cause of my] family. [Cause influence from my family.] Exactly, so I was very- very, very, um. 387.4471 307 LES_int_01 384.3836 [instilled that /in you/.] 385.5699 308 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 387.8155 Political in that way, very militant in that way, so. 390.0863 309 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 390.0863 (pause 0.41) 390.4967 310 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 390.4967 I knew a lot of people were 391.3826 311 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 391.3826 (pause 0.26) 391.6426 312 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 391.6426 couldn't grap- 392.1415 313 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 392.1415 (pause 0.28) 392.4259 314 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 392.4259 didn't relate to me on that aspect. [You know] what I mean? 394.5569 315 LES_int_01 393.9787 [Right.] 394.2724 316 LES_int_01 394.5755 Yeah. 394.8133 317 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 394.8133 But, I also danced. 395.6946 318 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 396.0257 The arts was a big thing for me, so in [elementary] school, 398.3746 319 LES_int_01 397.4580 [Cool.] 397.8077 320 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 398.7710 I di- b- we were in Shakespearian plays, you know. Thank God Ms. /RD-NAME-2/ 402.8231 321 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 402.8231 (pause 0.33) 403.1541 322 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 403.1541 and Ms. /RD-NAME-3/ actually believed in us. (laughing) 405.5452 323 LES_int_01 405.5452 [Yeah.] 406.3006 324 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 405.8950 [Cause you know,] she- we went all over the country touring. 408.2628 325 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 408.7151 [You know,] we did Midsummer Night's Dream at Henry Street Settlement. 410.8834 326 LES_int_01 408.7151 [Wow.] 409.1208 327 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 411.6528 So, my [childhood, I wou-] I would- I'd like to say I had a good childhood, I mean. 415.4239 328 LES_int_01 412.2511 [That's cool.] 412.9316 329 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 416.0254 My father passed away. That's the only thing I think 418.4303 330 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 418.4303 (pause 0.13) 418.5562 331 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 418.5562 really effected my childhood, [but other] than that, I had a very good nucleus. 422.1233 332 LES_int_01 420.1323 [Yeah.] 420.4820 333 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 422.4870 My mom was the best. She actually worked here 424.2574 334 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 424.2574 (pause 0.65) 424.9071 335 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 424.9071 for fifteen [years.] 425.8602 336 LES_int_01 425.7204 [Oh. That's neat.] 426.7222 337 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 426.1354 [But I think] that's why I go- came into this work. 428.0052 338 LES_int_01 428.1171 Yeah. 428.4901 339 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 428.5880 But, um. 429.1010 340 LES_int_01 430.1641 What did you play as a kid? 431.3951 341 LES_int_01 431.3951 (pause 0.41) 431.8008 342 LES_int_01 431.8008 Where did you play? First of all. Because in Baruch, you have [playgrounds.] 434.7186 343 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 434.5414 [Oh.] Yeah. [The park right across the-] yeah. Right next to my house, there was a park in front of my house, a park in the side of my house, and a 439.3338 344 LES_int_01 435.0285 [So, you played there in the park?] 436.1568 345 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 439.4830 park in the back of my house, and then we had the FDR Drive, [hello.] 442.3693 346 LES_int_01 442.2489 [You] guys were so lucky, because a lot of kids 444.6772 347 LES_int_01 444.7938 lived on a block with tenements, and so they just played in the street. 447.8386 348 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 447.9925 Exactly. 448.6780 349 LES_int_01 448.6780 And you guys have parks everywhere. 449.9151 350 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 449.9151 And yeah, we had everywhere. And we were very fortunate in that way. 452.8214 351 LES_int_01 452.6766 [Yeah.] 453.1973 352 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 452.9751 [I think.] 453.5107 353 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 453.8268 But now, a lot of those parks are getting taken away from us, [unfortunately.] 457.1442 354 LES_int_01 456.5866 [Yeah.] 457.1442 355 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 457.4515 Like, the big park where [we used to frequent,] 459.2559 356 LES_int_01 458.4964 [The big park.] 459.2340 357 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 459.6028 Now, it's a football field, and it's reserved for Bard 462.1388 358 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 462.1388 (pause 0.24) 462.3803 359 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 462.3803 Early College. It's like, okay, that's all good 464.2549 360 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 464.2549 (pause 0.09) 464.3428 361 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 464.3428 but, 464.5711 362 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 464.5711 (pause 0.11) 464.6764 363 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 464.6764 you know. 464.9618 364 LES_int_01 465.1857 I heard [that.] 465.8135 365 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 465.6862 [What] about the rest of the day when you guys aren't in session? [Like,] the kids can't. 469.8379 366 LES_int_01 469.0344 [Yeah.] 469.2496 367 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 470.1364 But, people u- um, use it, like I said, I don't live here anymore, so I don't know how many. 474.1740 368 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 474.1740 (pause 0.35) 474.5208 369 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 474.5208 I don't know if people frequent 475.5832 370 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 475.5832 (pause 0.17) 475.7501 371 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 475.7501 these places, I don't really know as 477.3657 372 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 477.3657 (pause 0.14) 477.5106 373 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 477.5106 [much as I] did then. But, I know when I grew up. 479.3676 374 LES_int_01 477.5106 [Yeah.] 477.8380 375 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 479.6793 I got scars to prove it. 480.9695 376 LES_int_01 481.2417 [Yeah.] 481.6676 377 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 481.4174 [We used] to run through everywhere. 483.4178 378 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 483.9227 It was. 484.3573 379 LES_int_01 484.4144 Yeah. 484.7073 380 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 484.7117 And in the middle of Baruch, it's actually, um, 486.5569 381 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 486.5569 (pause 0.25) 486.8079 382 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 486.8079 a shelter 487.3559 383 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 487.3559 (pause 0.22) 487.5798 384 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 487.5798 called The Castle, they call it. 488.7388 385 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 488.7388 (pause 0.62) 489.3578 386 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 489.3578 And um. 489.9242 387 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 489.9242 (pause 0.98) 490.9032 388 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 490.9032 That was a big part of childhood too, because my mom was like, don't go over there to the shelter kids, th- The Castle kids, The Castle. Cause, then they were like, very ostracized, but. 497.8252 389 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 497.8252 (pause 0.28) 498.1046 390 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 498.1046 It turned out I m- I wound up marrying a Castle Kid. 500.2822 391 LES_int_01 501.6915 Look at that. 502.2359 392 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 502.3325 Yeah. So, they weren't that bad. [] They weren't so [bad.] 505.5885 393 LES_int_01 503.8412 [They weren't so bad.] 504.6271 394 LES_int_01 504.6271 (pause 0.55) 505.1802 395 LES_int_01 505.1802 [] 506.1154 396 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 506.3393 But, there was um. 507.3666 397 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 507.3666 (pause 0.35) 507.7134 398 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 507.7134 Just a whole racial tension with the Latinos, it was hard 510.0469 399 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 510.0469 (pause 0.11) 510.1573 400 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 510.1573 fitting in, because 511.1363 401 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 511.1363 (pause 0.44) 511.5798 402 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 511.5798 You know, [basically.] 512.2910 403 LES_int_01 511.7510 [Was there tension?] 512.4754 404 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 513.2612 Oh yeah. Cause you he- cause it's a lot of things, like, as I grew up, 516.4339 405 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 516.4339 (pause 0.11) 516.5437 406 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 516.5437 I l- I learned Spanish. 517.8651 407 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 517.8651 (pause 0.35) 518.2164 408 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 518.2164 And you think they're saying something that's very derogatory when they say morena. 521.5881 409 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 521.5881 (pause 0.64) 522.2232 410 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 522.2232 But they wasn't it's just how they were saying, so. 524.6247 411 LES_int_01 524.8310 [Mm.] 525.7293 412 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 524.8617 [Of course you're gonna get] defensive if you hear someone say, 526.9388 413 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 527.0294 /unintelligible/ morena. 528.4195 414 LES_int_01 528.9112 In a tone. 529.5614 415 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 529.5614 In the [tone, and] it's like, who you talking about? So. 532.1804 416 LES_int_01 530.2259 [Right.] 530.4586 417 LES_int_01 532.1804 Yeah. 532.4790 418 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 532.4790 Certain words, you can look for like, 534.0419 419 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 534.4142 negrita, all of that, you know, [so it was like] what? 536.5614 420 LES_int_01 535.8414 [Yeah.] 536.1955 421 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 536.7985 Are you talking about me? 537.6897 422 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 537.6897 (pause 0.47) 538.1580 423 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 538.1580 Your mother's- 538.7375 424 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 538.7375 (pause 0.11) 538.8429 425 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 538.8429 your mother looks like me. Like, that was my thing, cause I knew my history because of my background, I was like 542.8161 426 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 542.8161 (pause 0.40) 543.2156 427 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 543.2156 do you even know what Puerto Rico 544.6951 428 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 544.6951 (pause 0.16) 544.8575 429 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 544.8575 k- what i- what Puerto Rico is made out [of?] 546.6209 430 LES_int_01 546.4804 [Yeah.] 546.9414 431 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 546.9414 Who- who 547.6526 432 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 547.9161 your ancestors were? 548.9961 433 LES_int_01 548.9961 Yeah. 549.3605 434 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 549.3605 Do you? [You know.] 550.2517 435 LES_int_01 549.9312 [Yeah.] 550.2517 436 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 550.4097 Even some Dominicans, I just say, you know 551.9928 437 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 551.9928 (pause 0.50) 552.4933 438 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 552.4933 slave ships stopped a- 553.5015 439 LES_int_01 553.5015 Slaves. [Yeah.] 554.4015 440 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 554.3445 [they] stopped at- in Dominican Republic [before they came] to America, so. 557.6152 441 LES_int_01 555.9381 [Before.] 556.6977 442 LES_int_01 557.7382 [Mm.] 558.0718 443 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 557.7645 [] I kind of think you're a little more African than me. 560.0810 444 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 560.3928 [That always] was a big, I mean, 562.0435 445 LES_int_01 560.4279 [Okay.] 560.8318 446 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 562.6669 always had 563.1718 447 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 563.1718 (pause 0.49) 563.6591 448 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 563.6591 very. 563.9269 449 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 563.9269 (pause 0.15) 564.0762 450 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 564.0762 Used to call me Sister Souljah. 565.1606 451 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 565.1606 (pause 0.33) 565.4943 452 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 565.4943 I used to school everybody about their- 567.0689 453 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 567.0689 (pause 0.24) 567.3103 454 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 567.3103 their culture, like, what? You don't know your people da, da, da, da, da. 570.4837 455 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 570.4837 (pause 0.12) 570.6074 456 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 570.6074 So, 570.8796 457 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 570.8796 (pause 0.11) 570.9894 458 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 570.9894 just me being that way 572.1776 459 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 572.1776 (pause 0.21) 572.3840 460 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 572.3840 in this environment growing up, 573.7494 461 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 573.7494 (pause 0.29) 574.0391 462 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 574.0391 was difficult, because, you know, kids my age didn't care about that kind of stuff. I mean. 577.6743 463 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 577.6743 (pause 0.89) 578.5596 464 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 578.5596 they're really, literally reading 580.2981 465 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 580.2981 (pause 0.13) 580.4299 466 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 580.4299 Malcolm X at eight years old. 581.6065 467 LES_int_01 583.5557 [Who does that?] 584.3181 468 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 583.7562 [Who am I] gonna talk [to about that? Like, am I] gonna go talk to my friend Maria about Malcolm X? 588.3133 469 LES_int_01 584.8362 [Yeah] 585.3630 470 LES_int_01 585.3630 (pause 0.21) 585.5694 471 LES_int_01 585.5694 [yeah.] 585.9338 472 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 588.6513 No. She would- we were playing, um, with the 590.6737 473 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 590.6737 (pause 0.32) 590.9986 474 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 590.9986 little pony, My Little Pony, [you know.] 592.8908 475 LES_int_01 592.4738 [Right.] 592.7591 476 LES_int_01 593.0050 [Right.] 593.2772 477 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 593.2025 [Cabbage] Patch Kids. 594.0543 478 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 594.2913 Who's thinking about that? Be thinking about gym. We were thinking about 596.7071 479 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 596.7071 (pause 0.12) 596.8256 480 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 596.8256 Thunder Cats. 597.4359 481 LES_int_01 597.9583 So you were really politically aware, at a- [even at a-] at a [young age.] 602.1671 482 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 600.0685 [Yeah.] 600.5075 483 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 600.5075 (pause 0.47) 600.9773 484 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 600.9773 [Yeah.] 601.3856 485 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 601.3856 (pause 0.37) 601.7544 486 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 601.7544 [Yeah.] Y- and I thank my mom for that because it opened my eyes about a thing- 605.1525 487 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 605.2765 to a lot of things that I criti- I learned to be a critical thinker. 608.0749 488 LES_int_01 608.2154 Yeah. 608.5710 489 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 608.6895 You know, and I wish other people had that. 610.4456 490 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 610.4456 (pause 0.25) 610.6959 491 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 610.6959 But, I think being that my mom worked here, 612.7446 492 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 612.7446 (pause 0.30) 613.0475 493 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 613.0475 she spread that 614.0310 494 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 614.0310 (pause 1.01) 615.0451 495 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 615.0451 to 615.3612 496 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 615.3612 (pause 0.29) 615.6561 497 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 615.6561 community [residents.] 616.6037 498 LES_int_01 616.4939 [Yeah.] 616.8978 499 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 617.0339 [So I'm thankful] for that. 618.0114 500 LES_int_01 617.0339 [Yeah.] 617.4802 501 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 618.3012 I'm thankful for that. 618.9949 502 LES_int_01 619.0896 I know you talked about some racial [tensions and] I know that, you know, there have been times 624.0096 503 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 620.8754 [Mm-hm.] 621.3659 504 LES_int_01 624.1545 in- 624.8262 505 LES_int_01 624.8262 (pause 0.14) 624.9667 506 LES_int_01 624.9667 in the neighborhood that have been sort of higher crime than others. I mean, was that something that 629.7773 507 LES_int_01 629.7773 (pause 0.23) 630.0115 508 LES_int_01 630.0115 i- 630.1037 509 LES_int_01 630.1037 (pause 0.14) 630.2486 510 LES_int_01 630.2486 you experienced that 631.3286 511 LES_int_01 631.3286 (pause 0.50) 631.8334 512 LES_int_01 631.8334 affected you directly? Did you s- did you see- 634.4090 513 LES_int_01 634.4090 (pause 0.47) 634.8788 514 LES_int_01 634.8788 did you see violence? Was it something you sort of 636.6217 515 LES_int_01 636.6217 (pause 1.19) 637.8159 516 LES_int_01 637.8159 had to deal with? 638.5886 517 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 638.8783 Put it this way, I grew up in crack era. 640.4924 518 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 640.4924 (pause 0.49) 640.9798 519 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 640.9798 The Eighties was [crack era.] 642.2705 520 LES_int_01 641.8359 [Right.] 642.2705 521 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 642.4329 You know. 642.8061 522 LES_int_01 642.9290 Yeah. 643.2803 523 LES_int_01 643.2803 (pause 1.39) 644.6749 524 LES_int_01 644.6749 [It hit hard.] 645.4300 525 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 644.7027 [So, of course it wa-] of course it was violence. 646.7778 526 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 646.9666 Of course it was violence, of course there was drugs. 649.1530 527 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 649.1530 (pause 0.57) 649.7193 528 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 649.7193 But, 650.0091 529 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 650.0091 (pause 1.02) 651.0320 530 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 651.0320 I would say that 652.0973 531 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 652.0973 (pause 0.35) 652.4441 532 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 652.4441 I didn't f- growing up, 653.6690 533 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 653.6690 (pause 1.64) 655.3066 534 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 655.3066 talking school age. 656.2681 535 LES_int_01 656.2681 Yeah. 656.5974 536 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 657.6275 I didn't see, I didn't, I didn't 659.0412 537 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 659.0412 (pause 0.20) 659.2432 538 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 659.2432 pay attention to it, I guess. 660.4738 539 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 660.4738 (pause 0.23) 660.7046 540 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 660.7046 I- cause I know it was there, [you know.] 662.1583 541 LES_int_01 661.7808 [Yeah.] 662.1539 542 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 662.2637 Cause, you know, after a certain time, when the street lights come on, you go in the house because 665.6822 543 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 665.6822 (pause 0.30) 665.9851 544 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 665.9851 [they're gonna start shooting out. ] 667.4954 545 LES_int_01 665.9851 [You just sort of knew, you just sort of] knew how to handle. 668.6896 546 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 668.9618 Yeah. Definitely. I mean, when you- you're brought up in a situation where many people 672.6217 547 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 672.6217 (pause 0.16) 672.7842 548 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 672.7842 consider at risk, 673.6534 549 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 673.6534 (pause 0.57) 674.2198 550 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 674.2198 I mean, for you, it's not at risk. It's your life. 676.0666 551 LES_int_01 676.3871 Yeah. 676.6944 552 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 677.1510 So, it was like 677.6251 553 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 677.6251 (pause 0.18) 677.8051 554 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 677.8051 no, I just have to f- [wal- go around it.] Yeah. Go around the obstacles, don't 681.4516 555 LES_int_01 678.7165 [So you just live your life.] 680.0116 556 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 681.7156 if you know, that in the big park at twelve o'clock, they having a gang meeting, 685.1290 557 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 685.1290 (pause 0.13) 685.2607 558 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 685.2607 a Zulu Nation meeting, 686.3831 559 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 686.3831 (pause 0.28) 686.6668 560 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 686.6668 you don't go 687.4088 561 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 687.4088 (pause 0.12) 687.5317 562 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 687.5317 to the big park. 688.4800 563 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 688.4800 (pause 0.15) 688.6337 564 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 688.6337 You go 689.0771 565 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 689.0771 (pause 0.13) 689.2044 566 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 689.2044 around the big park. 690.2888 567 LES_int_01 690.3635 Hello. [] 691.6088 568 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 690.8947 [You know what I'm saying,] so. 692.0303 569 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 692.7986 [I mean,] it definitely was there, but as a teenager, 694.8708 570 LES_int_01 692.7986 [Right.] 693.0888 571 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 695.3098 yes, the- 695.9640 572 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 695.9640 (pause 0.23) 696.1922 573 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 696.1922 the violence was there, because, I don't know. For some reason, teenagers like to fight. 699.1761 574 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 699.1761 (pause 0.69) 699.8654 575 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 699.8654 I don't know what it is about it, at [that age,] I don't know if it's the testosterone, I don't know what it is, [but] 704.3507 576 LES_int_01 701.5099 [Yeah.] 701.7470 577 LES_int_01 701.7470 (pause 2.41) 704.1576 578 LES_int_01 704.1576 [Angry.] 704.6493 579 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 705.0268 every day, there was a fight after school. 706.4625 580 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 706.4625 (pause 0.66) 707.1258 581 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 707.1258 Every day. Every day. 708.7063 582 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 708.7063 (pause 0.46) 709.1701 583 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 709.1701 Every day there [was a fight after school.] 710.5267 584 LES_int_01 709.8155 [Did you get into fights?] 710.7243 585 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 710.9614 I wasn't a big fighter. I was more of the peace maker, like 712.8492 586 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 712.8492 (pause 0.12) 712.9721 587 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 712.9721 come on brothers and sisters, 714.0960 588 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 714.0960 (pause 0.12) 714.2189 589 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 714.2189 we don't need to be [doing this.] 715.6629 590 LES_int_01 715.0615 [] 715.5663 591 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 715.9790 You know, I was more one of those, [but.] 717.5771 592 LES_int_01 717.3971 [You] were like the talker. 718.6132 593 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 718.6703 [Yeah, like come on.] We don't need to, what- 720.0093 594 LES_int_01 718.7713 [] 719.5000 595 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 720.1235 What do you- 720.5274 596 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 720.5274 (pause 0.22) 720.7516 597 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 720.7516 She don't want your man. You know, I was the mediator. 723.0521 598 LES_int_01 723.3331 Mm-hm. 723.8033 599 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 723.8687 So, 724.2946 600 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 724.2946 (pause 0.84) 725.1316 601 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 725.1316 I think that 725.6760 602 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 725.6760 (pause 0.93) 726.6024 603 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 726.6024 I needed to be that, [because] 728.0643 604 LES_int_01 727.9721 [Yeah.] 728.2838 605 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 730.4351 this didn't make sense to me. 731.5750 606 LES_int_01 731.8428 [Yeah.] 732.2336 607 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 732.0448 [To fight,] like, it just didn't make sense to me. 734.0643 608 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 734.6395 If yo- if it's a life and death situation, yeah, I can understand it, but. 737.5304 609 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 737.5304 (pause 0.36) 737.8904 610 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 737.8904 He stepped on your sneaker, wipe it off. 739.3202 611 LES_int_01 739.3202 [] 740.1894 612 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 739.7372 [Like, that] was my whole [thing, you know what] I mean. But, growing up, I, 742.1870 613 LES_int_01 740.7865 [Right.] 741.1729 614 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 742.5693 when I got older, as I got older, junior high school, high school age, 745.2562 615 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 745.2562 (pause 0.28) 745.5388 616 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 745.5388 of- 745.6846 617 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 745.6846 (pause 0.41) 746.0907 618 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 746.0907 I noticed a lot more dru- cause a lot of people who I was hanging out with were selling drugs, and [you know.] 750.5430 619 LES_int_01 750.2269 [Right.] 750.5430 620 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 750.7801 Smoking pot, smoking bud, smoking weed, or whatever, [you know,] drinking forties, you know. 755.4266 621 LES_int_01 753.8110 [Yeah.] 754.0612 622 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 755.7515 And I never really played a part in it. A lot of times, people say, oh you're just a goody-two-shoes. I was called a goody two shoe. 760.3071 623 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 760.3071 (pause 0.57) 760.8721 624 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 760.8721 And I didn't mind being called a goody two shoe. I was like listen, I'm gonna wait until I'm re- for one thing, it was a religious thing for me. 765.8101 625 LES_int_01 766.0386 Right. 766.4443 626 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 766.4722 So, I wasn't gonna do it [anyway.] 767.8030 627 LES_int_01 767.4223 [Hard time /???/.] 768.2010 628 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 768.3922 [But] then, for me, it was like, you know what? 770.1315 629 LES_int_01 768.3922 [Mm-hm.] 768.7511 630 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 770.4019 For one thing, I don't have money be spending 772.2158 631 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 772.2158 (pause 0.11) 772.3277 632 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 772.3277 on that. 773.1192 633 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 773.1192 (pause 0.07) 773.1938 634 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 773.1938 You know, I could 773.7464 635 LES_int_01 773.6484 [Oh.] 774.2546 636 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 773.9469 [buy something else] like 774.8328 637 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 775.0100 clothes or cute 775.7281 638 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 775.7281 (pause 0.15) 775.8773 639 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 775.8773 /plin/ or- [for my hair.] 777.0803 640 LES_int_01 776.5814 [Food. ] 778.2059 641 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 777.3432 [Or food. Yeah, exactly.] 778.7713 642 LES_int_01 778.5661 [Yeah.] 778.9345 643 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 779.1536 And you know, you're destroying yourself, and that's how I [always.] 781.7450 644 LES_int_01 781.5558 [Yeah.] 782.1294 645 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 782.8175 It's funny, cause now, I'm older 784.0858 646 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 784.0858 (pause 0.13) 784.2164 647 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 784.2164 you know, I have my social 785.4649 648 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 785.4649 (pause 0.26) 785.7260 649 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 785.7260 life, I [do what I do.] 786.9150 650 LES_int_01 786.1970 [Right.] 786.6120 651 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 787.2554 But, at the same time, when I was growing up, I really 789.1439 652 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 789.1439 (pause 0.32) 789.4610 653 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 789.4610 didn't like to see 790.3563 654 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 790.3563 (pause 0.28) 790.6360 655 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 790.6360 people do it. 791.2003 656 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 791.2003 (pause 0.30) 791.5047 657 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 791.5047 I- I had- 791.8835 658 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 791.8835 (pause 0.26) 792.1389 659 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 792.1389 All my friends hanging out, I didn't like to see them drinking, I didn't like to see them smoking. Like, I was- 795.6852 660 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 795.6852 (pause 0.33) 796.0162 661 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 796.0162 hit cigarette, like they would 797.0001 662 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 797.0001 (pause 0.11) 797.1120 663 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 797.1120 if I was coming, oh, 797.9968 664 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 797.9968 (pause 0.21) 798.2020 665 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 798.2020 put it out, /RD-NAME-3/'s coming. 799.2511 666 LES_int_01 799.3910 [ Okay.] 800.7759 667 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 799.8760 [Kind of thing.] 800.5101 668 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 800.8085 And then, it was cool. 802.3193 669 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 802.3193 (pause 1.01) 803.3265 670 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 803.3265 But, you know, as I got older, I started partaking in 805.3770 671 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 805.3770 (pause 0.54) 805.9133 672 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 805.9133 in smoking little bit of 807.2235 673 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 807.2235 (pause 0.21) 807.4334 674 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 807.4334 cigarettes, [drinking a little] bit of liquor. So they was like /RD-NAME-3/? Like, uh, yes, yes, /RD-NAME-3/ but I waited til I was twenty one, like you [were supposed] to. Until I was really ready to deal with it, cause I look back, and I'm like, damn. 817.5154 675 LES_int_01 808.1876 [Yeah.] 808.6726 676 LES_int_01 808.6726 (pause 5.00) 813.6754 677 LES_int_01 813.6754 [Yeah.] 814.1184 678 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 818.5076 They must have had a lot of pain. 819.6780 679 LES_int_01 819.8831 Well, you're mature enough to make 821.5233 680 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 821.7145 [Yeah, but.] 822.2461 681 LES_int_01 821.7145 [decisions.] 822.8290 682 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 822.4652 [The whole-] the whole thing is so 823.7942 683 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 824.4563 I knew that, like 825.2956 684 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 825.2956 (pause 0.22) 825.5194 685 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 825.5194 they had a lot of pain. 826.5581 686 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 826.5581 (pause 0.12) 826.6793 687 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 826.6793 Like, a lot of people I grew up with, they had a lot of pain, that's why they did [what they did.] 830.1625 688 LES_int_01 829.5158 [Why they turned] to. 830.4903 689 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 830.4903 In their family life, you know, they had a lot of addicts in their family, so you know. 833.9982 690 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 834.3106 They learned behaviors, you know, so. 836.2119 691 LES_int_01 836.2306 Right. 836.6036 692 LES_int_01 836.6036 (pause 1.86) 838.4641 693 LES_int_01 838.4641 So, tell me um, quickly, your schooling history. You went to school in the neighborhood? 842.7104 694 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 845.2395 Let's see, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/, 846.7184 695 LES_int_01 847.0775 Uh-huh. 847.3433 696 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 848.2199 /RD-SCHOOL-5/ 849.2690 697 LES_int_01 849.5943 /??/ 850.0466 698 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 850.4802 I was in /RD-SCHOOL-3/ 851.5247 699 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 851.5247 (pause 0.22) 851.7485 700 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 851.7485 something that /RD-NAME-2/ was very jealous of, cause she was not in the smart class, and I [was.] 855.3078 701 LES_int_01 854.9767 [Uh-oh.] 855.9979 702 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 856.5015 And I got skipped in [/RD-SCHOOL-8/ from seventh] to the ninth. 859.3827 703 LES_int_01 858.3662 [Uh-huh.] 858.8139 704 LES_int_01 859.4993 Oh, a leap. 860.0449 705 LES_int_01 860.0449 (pause 0.19) 860.2314 706 LES_int_01 860.2314 To 860.5158 707 LES_int_01 860.5158 (pause 0.50) 861.0148 708 LES_int_01 861.0148 two grades. 861.7375 709 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 861.7375 Mm-hm. 862.3054 710 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 863.0562 [And then, um.] 863.9141 711 LES_int_01 863.0562 [Look at you.] 863.6950 712 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 864.2359 That don't mean anything girl. [Let me finish.] 867.0045 713 LES_int_01 865.4004 [] 866.0113 714 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 867.6946 Then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/ for music and art. 869.5598 715 LES_int_01 869.7882 Um. Uptown. 870.5669 716 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 870.6882 Mm-hm. 870.9586 717 LES_int_01 870.9586 Mm-hm. 871.2233 718 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 871.2233 /RD-ADDRESS-4/ 871.9833 719 LES_int_01 872.1931 I literally just interviewed another girl who went there. She's younger than you, you probably didn't know her. 875.8535 720 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 876.0074 No. 876.3664 721 LES_int_01 876.6649 But, she was [telling me about it.] 877.6895 722 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 877.3119 [Even if] she was there at the same time as I. 879.0511 723 LES_int_01 879.0884 She said it was huge. 880.1049 724 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 880.2122 [Yeah.] 880.5572 725 LES_int_01 880.3287 [I didn't] realize how big it was. 881.5038 726 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 881.5038 It's 881.7043 727 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 881.8409 you have to think about it, it's 882.7348 728 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 882.7348 (pause 0.14) 882.8747 729 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 882.8747 how many different majors? It's vocal music, dance, 885.3262 730 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 885.3262 (pause 1.46) 886.7857 731 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 886.7857 drama, 887.5411 732 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 887.5411 (pause 0.28) 887.8209 733 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 887.8209 instrumental. 888.4830 734 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 888.4830 (pause 0.18) 888.6649 735 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 888.6649 So, it's four different majors. 890.1745 736 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 890.1745 (pause 0.25) 890.4262 737 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 890.4262 The school had like, eight, nine floors. 892.1795 738 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 892.1795 (pause 0.45) 892.6272 739 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 892.6272 It took up a whole block, it had like a basement. 894.7618 740 LES_int_01 894.7618 Oh my [God.] 895.4566 741 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 895.3260 [It] had a huge theater. 896.5046 742 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 897.0455 It had two theaters. 898.1366 743 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 898.1366 (pause 0.78) 898.9153 744 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 898.9153 It had two theaters, a elevator, 900.7166 745 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 900.7166 (pause 0.80) 901.5172 746 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 901.5172 It was a big 902.3393 747 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 902.3393 (pause 0.29) 902.6284 748 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 902.6284 school. 903.0620 749 LES_int_01 903.0620 That's so amazing. 904.1578 750 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 904.1578 So, if I went to school with her, I wouldn't have known her anyway, unless she was a part of my crew. 907.2399 751 LES_int_01 907.2399 [Yeah.] 907.7296 752 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 907.5757 [And most] of the time, tha- you stick to your friends who are in the same department. 910.5817 753 LES_int_01 910.8614 So, [you did] dance, [right?] 912.4876 754 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 911.0293 [So.] 911.5189 755 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 911.5189 (pause 0.57) 912.0878 756 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 912.0878 [I did vocal music.] 912.9751 757 LES_int_01 912.9331 [Oh,] really? 913.6347 758 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 913.6559 Mm-hm. 913.9704 759 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 913.9704 (pause 0.13) 914.1010 760 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 914.1010 [I was a singer.] 914.9761 761 LES_int_01 914.1010 [You hav- woman of] many talents. 915.7750 762 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 915.9055 Well, this is what they say. 916.9360 763 LES_int_01 916.9360 [] 918.3053 764 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 918.7669 But, you know. 919.2892 765 LES_int_01 920.2831 Awesome. [Awesome.] 921.4675 766 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 920.8473 [So, yeah. I went] to /RD-SCHOOL-4/, after /RD-SCHOOL-4/, I 923.1808 767 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 923.3207 went straight to City College. 924.7149 768 LES_int_01 924.7149 Okay. 925.0973 769 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 925.2838 Mm-hm. 925.7874 770 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 925.7874 (pause 0.52) 926.3050 771 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 926.3050 And I actually took a long 927.8146 772 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 927.8146 (pause 0.43) 928.2482 773 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 928.2482 break from it. 929.1389 774 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 929.1389 (pause 0.21) 929.3534 775 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 929.3534 And [I just graduated] and got my BA 930.8688 776 LES_int_01 929.5539 [Mm-hm.] 929.9239 777 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 931.1027 [this year.] 931.8302 778 LES_int_01 931.1027 [Oh, congratulations.] That's [awesome.] 932.7954 779 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 932.5249 [So.] 932.9520 780 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 933.5208 Sometimes, life happens and you gotta step- step back. 936.0108 781 LES_int_01 936.1600 [Totally.] 936.4445 782 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 936.2020 [But,] if I could redo it, I definitely wouldn't even think about the stuff I was thinking about, and I woulda just been thinking about school, [but] 941.6782 783 LES_int_01 941.4650 [Right.] 941.8939 784 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 942.1597 you know, 942.5561 785 LES_int_01 942.6551 [What was your BA in?] 943.5830 786 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 942.8276 [what's done is done.] 943.8302 787 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 944.0726 Hm? 944.3571 788 LES_int_01 944.3571 What was your degree in? 945.2430 789 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 946.5813 Excuse me? 946.9963 790 LES_int_01 947.0382 Your degree? Like what did [you] 948.1713 791 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 947.8496 [Oh.] Well, by [degree was in Psychology.] 950.2687 792 LES_int_01 948.7542 [your major, or whatever.] 950.1801 793 LES_int_01 950.5951 Oh. [Very cool.] 951.9726 794 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 951.1751 [Yes.] 951.5155 795 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 952.0693 And it's strange, because 953.1569 796 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 953.1569 (pause 0.40) 953.5579 797 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 953.5579 I- I didn't wanna do that. 954.4533 798 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 954.4533 (pause 1.08) 955.5304 799 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 955.5304 I really didn't wanna 956.2931 800 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 956.2931 (pause 0.49) 956.7795 801 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 956.7795 957.3048 802 LES_int_01 957.3903 So, why'd you do it? 958.3612 803 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 958.4115 I did it because, I always ow- 959.9829 804 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 959.9829 (pause 0.19) 960.1740 805 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 960.1740 cause at the time, I was going through my own little stuff, and I just wanted to learn and figure myself out. [So, I was like,] let me take psychology, maybe I'll 965.6425 806 LES_int_01 963.9452 [Yeah.] 964.2483 807 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 965.7730 figure myself [out.] 966.6399 808 LES_int_01 966.4627 [Learn] some tools [for] 967.6378 809 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 967.3534 [But, I've-] I've noticed that 968.5191 810 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 969.1859 it's j- I've become over analytical, and. 971.2296 811 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 971.2296 (pause 0.65) 971.8778 812 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 971.8778 It's, [you know,] it's- it has it's- a- it's a blessing and a curse. 975.2992 813 LES_int_01 972.5294 [Right.] 972.9169 814 LES_int_01 975.2992 Yeah. 975.6209 815 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 975.6209 You know what I mean. 976.0685 816 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 976.5069 When I first went to school, I wanted to go for film and video. 978.7301 817 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 978.7301 (pause 0.42) 979.1544 818 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 979.1544 Camera- Film and video. 980.1896 819 LES_int_01 980.1849 Mm. 980.4227 820 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 980.4460 So. 980.8132 821 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 980.8132 (pause 0.60) 981.4101 822 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 981.4101 But at the time, 982.4592 823 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 982.4592 (pause 0.18) 982.6364 824 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 982.6364 they had like, all the professors were working, so all the classes were at like, nine o'clock in the evenings. 986.9474 825 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 986.9474 (pause 0.55) 987.5023 826 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 987.5023 And it's in Harlem and at the time I was living in Brooklyn. 990.3036 827 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 990.3036 (pause 0.33) 990.6300 828 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 990.6300 So, I was like, yeah, no. I'm gonna drop that, and I'm gonna do [this.] 994.2670 829 LES_int_01 994.1085 [Yeah.] That's really [tough.] 995.3647 830 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 995.2761 [So,] that's what happened with that. 996.4279 831 LES_int_01 996.7729 So, let me ask you a little bit about um, 999.2524 832 LES_int_01 999.2524 (pause 0.12) 999.3737 833 LES_int_01 999.3737 your opinions about 1000.6093 834 LES_int_01 1000.6093 (pause 0.83) 1001.4393 835 LES_int_01 1001.4393 how the neighborhood has changed in the time that you've 1004.1753 836 LES_int_01 1004.1753 (pause 0.18) 1004.3571 837 LES_int_01 1004.3571 seen it. 1004.9820 838 LES_int_01 1004.9820 (pause 0.69) 1005.6767 839 LES_int_01 1005.6767 I know you don't live here anymore, but you obviously come back and you spend your time here. 1008.9846 840 LES_int_01 1008.9846 (pause 1.11) 1010.0897 841 LES_int_01 1010.0897 How do you sort of see 1011.7205 842 LES_int_01 1011.7205 (pause 0.15) 1011.8744 843 LES_int_01 1011.8744 what's been happening 1012.7930 844 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1013.6743 It's crazy. 1014.3877 845 LES_int_01 1014.3877 here? 1014.7421 846 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1014.9379 [It's crazy.] 1015.7086 847 LES_int_01 1014.9426 [I know. ] 1016.2389 848 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1016.0664 [I mean,] I can't even 1016.8579 849 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1017.0538 I'm'a tell you when I knew. The indication that I had that things were changing's when they started paving the streets, and when 1022.4569 850 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1022.4569 (pause 1.32) 1023.7812 851 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1023.7812 Clinton Street 1024.5366 852 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1024.5366 (pause 0.25) 1024.7884 853 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1024.7884 used to come this way. 1025.7209 854 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1025.7209 (pause 1.07) 1026.7887 855 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1026.7887 It [didn't come this] way. 1027.6327 856 LES_int_01 1026.9240 [Right.] 1027.3949 857 LES_int_01 1027.8938 I remember that. I mean, I wasn't here, but I remember that. 1029.6879 858 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1029.8977 But that's w- you know, when they started doing stuff like that, I was like, uh-oh. 1033.2783 859 LES_int_01 1033.2783 And they came in hard to 1034.8918 860 LES_int_01 1034.8918 (pause 0.18) 1035.0690 861 LES_int_01 1035.0690 get the drug dealers. 1036.1232 862 LES_int_01 1036.1232 (pause 0.47) 1036.5941 863 LES_int_01 1036.5941 Right? We- well. 1037.4334 864 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1037.5640 Yeah, they did, but you know, they always leave a little bit of crack in the- 1040.3326 865 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1040.3326 (pause 0.26) 1040.5891 866 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1040.5891 in the ghetto. 1041.2419 867 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1041.2419 (pause 0.14) 1041.3853 868 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1041.3853 You know, you hafta appease the 1042.9474 869 LES_int_01 1043.4510 Right. [Right. There] was like a period where they were like, this is now where we're gonna 1046.8362 870 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1043.6655 [kids and stuff.] 1044.3243 871 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1046.9481 [Yeah.] 1047.5485 872 LES_int_01 1047.1661 [you know. /?/] 1047.9682 873 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1047.7303 [Yeah.] I mean. 1048.8168 874 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1049.8566 They neighborhood has changed so much to the point that the hou- the building that's right here on this corner, 1054.4194 875 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1054.4194 (pause 0.85) 1055.2681 876 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1055.2681 is now 1055.8778 877 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1055.8778 (pause 0.62) 1056.4933 878 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1056.4933 condominium lofts, I don't know. 1057.9714 879 LES_int_01 1057.9714 Is it really? 1058.4051 880 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1058.6335 Yeah. 1058.9040 881 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1058.9040 (pause 0.27) 1059.1744 882 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1059.1744 Used to be the crack 1060.4054 883 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1060.4054 (pause 0.67) 1061.0722 884 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1061.0722 house. Like, you know what I mean? 1062.2135 885 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1062.2135 (pause 0.29) 1062.5073 886 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1062.5073 All these, all these buildings along this street right here, 1064.8807 887 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1064.8807 (pause 0.48) 1065.3610 888 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1065.3610 this whole strip. 1066.0324 889 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1066.0324 (pause 0.31) 1066.3448 890 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1066.3448 Pitt Street actually was like 1067.3964 891 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1067.3964 (pause 0.14) 1067.5316 892 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1067.5316 dope fiend 1068.2497 893 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1068.2497 (pause 0.19) 1068.4362 894 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1068.4362 haven. 1068.8327 895 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1068.8327 (pause 0.73) 1069.5588 896 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1069.5588 Forget crack. It was dope fiend haven. [You could] get any 1072.0022 897 LES_int_01 1071.3774 [Yeah.] 1071.6478 898 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1072.4265 And it was like, you would see people leaning, like, you know. 1075.0980 899 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1075.0980 (pause 0.44) 1075.5363 900 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1075.5363 To now, it's like tree lined and everything. You know what I'm saying now, the street is actually, you can actually drive up the street without your car getting into 1082.2443 901 LES_int_01 1082.3749 Yeah. 1082.6780 902 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1082.6780 the deepest pothole. 1083.6385 903 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1083.9836 So, it's unfortunate that 1085.2134 904 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1085.2134 (pause 0.41) 1085.6238 905 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1085.6238 they started 1086.0947 906 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1086.0947 (pause 0.90) 1086.9993 907 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1086.9993 cleaning up the neighborhood 1088.2443 908 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1088.2443 (pause 0.35) 1088.5940 909 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1088.5940 for the people who were coming in the neighborhood 1090.3555 910 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1090.3555 (pause 0.27) 1090.6259 911 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1090.6259 opposed to cleaning [up the neighborhood for] the people actually live in the neighborhood. 1093.7454 912 LES_int_01 1091.2978 [And not for.] 1092.0812 913 LES_int_01 1093.7454 Yeah. 1094.0951 914 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1094.0951 But, a lot of people argument is, well, you know. They don't take care of it, so they must not want it. 1097.6471 915 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1098.9247 But if you don't have the 1099.8153 916 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1099.8153 (pause 0.18) 1099.9925 917 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1099.9925 if you're not aware, 1100.9344 918 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1100.9344 (pause 0.33) 1101.2655 919 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1101.2655 if you don't know, 1102.2447 920 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1102.2447 (pause 0.17) 1102.4161 921 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1102.4161 then how yo- if you don't think you have the power, 1104.3885 922 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1104.3885 (pause 0.31) 1104.6962 923 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1104.6962 cause the thing is this, people, i- 1106.0112 924 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1106.0112 (pause 0.92) 1106.9298 925 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1106.9298 Baruch is one of the largest projects in- 1108.7565 926 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1108.7565 (pause 0.23) 1108.9850 927 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1108.9850 in Manhattan. 1109.4932 928 LES_int_01 1109.7590 I think it is the largest, I think. 1111.3118 929 LES_int_01 1111.3118 (pause 0.42) 1111.7357 930 LES_int_01 1111.7357 [Is it?] 1112.0773 931 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1111.7874 [In Manhattan,] it may be the largest. It might be the largest, [I think it is. It's huge, it's very] big. 1116.3286 932 LES_int_01 1114.4352 [It's huge. It's huge.] 1115.8807 933 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1116.8272 And 1117.1676 934 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1117.1676 (pause 0.52) 1117.6899 935 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1117.6899 these people are coming from 1119.1120 936 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1119.1120 (pause 0.28) 1119.3918 937 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1119.3918 all types of situations. You know, [some of 'em] are just coming here, to America. 1123.2589 938 LES_int_01 1121.0652 [Yeah.] 1121.3764 939 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1123.6739 You know what I'm saying, so how do you expect people to 1125.4629 940 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1125.4629 (pause 0.62) 1126.0784 941 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1126.0784 say, hey, I need my street light fixed if they don't know English. 1129.2284 942 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1129.2284 (pause 0.75) 1129.9745 943 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1129.9745 Your- [or, if they coming] from a domestic violence 1131.9517 944 LES_int_01 1130.2356 [Yeah.] 1130.8979 945 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1132.1989 situation, or tha- they got burnt out, I mean 1134.4328 946 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1134.4328 (pause 0.19) 1134.6239 947 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1134.6239 people are coming from 1135.3840 948 LES_int_01 1136.0928 [Or they may not realize] 1137.2492 949 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1136.2373 [horrendous situations.] 1137.7434 950 LES_int_01 1137.4403 [how to] do that. How to [go about doing] that. 1139.4946 951 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1138.7133 [That's my-] 1139.1516 952 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1139.5040 And the people who do know, 1140.6939 953 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1140.6939 (pause 0.26) 1140.9551 954 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1140.9551 it's unfortunate that 1142.1534 955 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1142.1534 (pause 0.17) 1142.3213 956 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1142.3213 people 1142.7456 957 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1142.7456 (pause 0.89) 1143.6316 958 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1143.6316 know that 1144.1445 959 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1144.1445 (pause 0.36) 1144.5073 960 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1144.5073 it's like, people's lives oversee 1146.3813 961 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1146.3813 (pause 0.75) 1147.1274 962 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1147.1274 politics and it shouldn't be like that. Because, your lives are, you know, directly affected by the politicians and the community board members and the 1153.8455 963 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1153.8455 (pause 0.23) 1154.0786 964 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1154.0786 even the tenant patrol people. 1155.5755 965 LES_int_01 1155.6921 Yeah. 1156.0185 966 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1156.0185 You know, [and] 1156.6348 967 LES_int_01 1156.5742 [Yeah.] 1156.9138 968 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1156.9644 And people don't go out to these meetings, people don't go 1159.7248 969 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1159.7248 (pause 0.23) 1159.9533 970 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1159.9533 and make noise about, people don't say hey, I live here and I need this. 1163.3381 971 LES_int_01 1163.3894 Yeah. 1163.6738 972 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1163.7018 So, it went from mom and pop shops 1166.0194 973 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1166.0194 (pause 0.84) 1166.8578 974 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1166.8578 to all these boutiques that no one here can even shop in. 1169.5974 975 LES_int_01 1169.7839 I know. 1170.1149 976 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1170.6605 You know, and [it's like] 1171.7646 977 LES_int_01 1171.2143 [Yeah.] 1171.5805 978 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1172.5106 And I don't even wanna make it a race thing. 1174.0109 979 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1174.0109 (pause 0.21) 1174.2161 980 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1174.2161 [Because] 1174.7243 981 LES_int_01 1174.2161 [Yeah.] 1174.5554 982 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1174.8596 it's more of a 1175.5637 983 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1175.5637 (pause 0.24) 1175.8015 984 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1175.8015 class thing. 1176.4263 985 LES_int_01 1176.4263 It's more of a class [thing right?] 1177.8065 986 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1177.4801 [More of] a class thing. And it's like, even you see 1179.3823 987 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1179.5129 African Americans who are moving 1180.6320 988 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1180.6320 (pause 0.42) 1181.0516 989 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1181.0516 over here now, 1181.8443 990 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1181.8443 (pause 0.27) 1182.1148 991 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1182.1148 they're totally like 1183.2059 992 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1183.2059 (pause 0.42) 1183.6258 993 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1183.6258 disconnected 1184.3066 994 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1184.3066 (pause 0.60) 1184.9034 995 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1184.9034 to 1185.3184 996 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1185.3184 (pause 0.34) 1185.6542 997 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1185.6542 like. 1185.7987 998 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1185.7987 (pause 0.21) 1186.0085 999 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1186.0085 Actually, dang, do I have it in my 1188.0196 1000 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1188.0196 (pause 0.26) 1188.2782 1001 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1188.2782 1188.4414 1002 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1188.4414 (pause 0.56) 1189.0056 1003 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1189.0056 I- 1189.2574 1004 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1189.2574 (pause 0.19) 1189.4439 1005 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1189.4439 I'm actually doing a paper myself on- on my program on the need for community centers in- in low income areas. 1195.4641 1006 LES_int_01 1195.5387 Yeah. 1195.8138 1007 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1195.8184 And 1196.1122 1008 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1196.1122 (pause 0.32) 1196.4293 1009 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1196.4293 and I would- looked up 1197.5064 1010 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1197.5064 (pause 0.26) 1197.7667 1011 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1197.7667 Lower East Side, and it happened to be some type of a 1200.9188 1012 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1200.9188 (pause 0.59) 1201.5063 1013 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1201.5063 blog or something. 1202.4584 1014 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1202.4584 (pause 0.35) 1202.8081 1015 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1202.8081 And it was like, oh, the Lower East Side is nice, it's cool, people, if you're single, 1206.5229 1016 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1206.5229 (pause 0.47) 1206.9891 1017 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1206.9891 you can hang out there, da da da da da da da, right. And I'm thinking to myself, is this the same Lower East Side that I lived in? [Because] 1212.7453 1018 LES_int_01 1212.3443 [Yeah.] 1212.8619 1019 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1212.9225 no. 1213.3208 1020 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1213.3208 (pause 0.16) 1213.4840 1021 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1213.4840 Like, you know what I mean? 1213.9935 1022 LES_int_01 1214.1847 [Yeah.] 1214.5018 1023 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1214.1894 [Oh there's] bars and [clubs and.] 1216.0825 1024 LES_int_01 1215.3784 [The night life.] 1216.2504 1025 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1216.3296 The night life is- this is what the 1217.8497 1026 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1217.8497 (pause 0.14) 1217.9910 1027 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1217.9910 this is what the email, the messages are saying, 1219.8188 1028 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1219.8188 (pause 0.22) 1220.0380 1029 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1220.0380 and then one guy had the nerve to say 1221.4860 1030 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1221.4860 (pause 0.19) 1221.6725 1031 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1221.6725 the only downfall is the projects. 1223.9272 1032 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1223.9272 (pause 0.22) 1224.1511 1033 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1224.1511 It's kind of 1224.8785 1034 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1224.8785 (pause 0.59) 1225.4660 1035 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1225.4660 it's kind of, um, 1226.7836 1036 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1226.7836 (pause 0.61) 1227.3944 1037 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1227.3944 dangerous. Or something to that effect. 1229.1476 1038 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1229.1476 (pause 0.37) 1229.5160 1039 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1229.5160 It's kind of dangerous over there, but 1231.3598 1040 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1231.3598 (pause 0.27) 1231.6255 1041 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1231.6255 um, 1231.9473 1042 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1231.9473 (pause 0.13) 1232.0778 1043 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1232.0778 they just generally stay to themselves, it's kind of sad actually. Like they kind of just made it seem like we were the goblins under the bridge. 1238.1383 1044 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1238.1383 (pause 0.94) 1239.0802 1045 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1239.0802 You know, 1239.7087 1046 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1239.7087 (pause 0.18) 1239.8906 1047 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1239.8906 [And I'm] like, well damn. 1241.1787 1048 LES_int_01 1239.8906 [Yeah.] 1240.3208 1049 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1241.4119 You know, and this is 1242.3481 1050 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1242.3481 (pause 0.48) 1242.8330 1051 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1242.8330 I'm- maybe I shouldn't admit this, but 1244.3743 1052 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1244.3743 (pause 0.49) 1244.8686 1053 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1244.8686 at one point, I started telling people the wrong directions. They ask me for directions, [I'm like, oh, where] do you wanna go? You wanna go to Orchard Street? 1251.1458 1054 LES_int_01 1248.0030 [] 1249.2340 1055 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1251.5608 [It's that way. And I point right] to the PJs and they're like, 1254.9545 1056 LES_int_01 1251.5608 [It's that way. ] 1253.6209 1057 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1255.4161 okay. Like, thanks, I think. Like, you know. 1257.6773 1058 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1257.6773 (pause 0.32) 1257.9944 1059 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1257.9944 And then I see them ask somebody else, I'm like yeah, you better ask somebody else, cause I'm'a send you straight to where you're gonna get it. 1263.2492 1060 LES_int_01 1263.3564 That's [funny.] 1264.5404 1061 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1263.9016 [You know,] but 1264.8108 1062 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1264.9321 I stopped doing that 1265.7108 1063 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1265.7108 (pause 0.53) 1266.2437 1064 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1266.2437 cause of the [young lady who got shot.] 1267.5909 1065 LES_int_01 1266.7386 [So, let me ask you,] um, 1268.4778 1066 LES_int_01 1268.6690 because I wanna understand, um, 1271.0018 1067 LES_int_01 1271.0018 (pause 0.11) 1271.1091 1068 LES_int_01 1271.1091 but first, I have to ask you. 1272.2499 1069 LES_int_01 1272.2499 (pause 0.48) 1272.7255 1070 LES_int_01 1272.7255 what do you think are the boundaries of the Lower East Side? Like geographically. 1276.7238 1071 LES_int_01 1276.7238 (pause 0.13) 1276.8497 1072 LES_int_01 1276.8497 Where 1277.1108 1073 LES_int_01 1277.1108 (pause 0.38) 1277.4932 1074 LES_int_01 1277.4932 the streets. 1278.1833 1075 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1280.0403 [For me?] 1280.7120 1076 LES_int_01 1280.0403 [How it-] 1280.4222 1077 LES_int_01 1280.7778 Yeah. For you. 1281.5198 1078 LES_int_01 1281.5198 (pause 0.57) 1282.0862 1079 LES_int_01 1282.0862 Cause everybody has a different. 1283.3885 1080 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1283.8276 A- aspect of [what it is, yeah.] 1285.1578 1081 LES_int_01 1284.4905 [Yeah and they] think it's like a di- you know, goes from here to here. 1287.2871 1082 LES_int_01 1288.0642 What is it for you? 1288.8149 1083 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1290.1349 I include the- 1290.9120 1084 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1290.9120 (pause 0.14) 1291.0525 1085 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1291.0525 I include China Town and I include Little Italy. 1293.9501 1086 LES_int_01 1294.0379 Okay. 1294.3847 1087 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1294.4593 Because I think it's, you know, [if I could] walk to it 1296.6310 1088 LES_int_01 1295.7310 [Yeah.] 1296.0295 1089 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1297.5178 in [fifteen] minutes, I think that's the Lower [East Side. (laughing) ] 1299.9588 1090 LES_int_01 1297.6978 [Yeah.] 1297.9832 1091 LES_int_01 1297.9832 (pause 1.37) 1299.3486 1092 LES_int_01 1299.3486 [Yeah. Okay.] Okay. 1300.5340 1093 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1300.5427 So, 1300.8588 1094 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1300.8588 (pause 0.97) 1301.8276 1095 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1301.8276 I would say, from, like obviously all the housing projects along the whole 1305.6603 1096 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1305.6603 (pause 0.88) 1306.5414 1097 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1306.5414 1306.6713 1098 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1306.6713 (pause 1.16) 1307.8276 1099 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1307.8276 end of the Lower East [Side.] 1309.5178 1100 LES_int_01 1309.3247 [Right.] 1309.8383 1101 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1310.0930 Up into Smith, 1310.9842 1102 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1310.9842 (pause 1.04) 1312.0291 1103 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1312.0291 so, that's like South Street Seaport. Like, [right before] South Street [Seaport.] 1315.2676 1104 LES_int_01 1313.5949 [Yeah.] 1313.9490 1105 LES_int_01 1313.9490 (pause 1.01) 1314.9603 1106 LES_int_01 1314.9603 [Yup .] 1315.2317 1107 LES_int_01 1315.7594 [Like Brooklyn Bridge.] 1316.8834 1108 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1315.7988 [All-] 1316.4047 1109 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1316.4047 (pause 0.26) 1316.6681 1110 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1316.6681 [Yeah.] Brooklyn Bridge all the way up 1318.3979 1111 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1318.5735 to maybe Fourteenth Street and 1320.4175 1112 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1320.4175 (pause 3.05) 1323.4673 1113 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1323.4673 Third. 1323.8624 1114 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1323.8624 (pause 0.48) 1324.3453 1115 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1324.3453 But [people don't] consider that. People consider that the East Village. 1326.7073 1116 LES_int_01 1324.4726 [Yeah.] 1324.7844 1117 LES_int_01 1326.7336 Yeah. What's your take on that. Some people think there's- there's 1329.3751 1118 LES_int_01 1329.3751 (pause 0.19) 1329.5682 1119 LES_int_01 1329.5682 now two separate neighborhoods, like, the Lower East Side and the East [Village.] 1333.9015 1120 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1333.2649 [That's what- That's] uh, I think that's only because of the new people coming in cause w- I don't think- I think everybody. 1337.7314 1121 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1338.0826 I mean, people who are from here, maybe just from me, 1340.2925 1122 LES_int_01 1340.2925 Yeah. 1340.5955 1123 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1340.9686 the East Village is just an extension [of the Lower East Side, to] me. 1344.7619 1124 LES_int_01 1342.7012 [East Village is- is like a] 1344.3519 1125 LES_int_01 1344.9358 and that name is like a real estate 1346.9334 1126 LES_int_01 1346.9334 (pause 0.46) 1347.3944 1127 LES_int_01 1347.3944 invention. 1348.0836 1128 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1348.2944 [Exactly.] 1349.1949 1129 LES_int_01 1348.6988 [It's new, you know. Yeah. Okay.] 1350.5339 1130 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1349.3486 [Exactly.] 1350.2091 1131 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1350.2091 (pause 0.11) 1350.3144 1132 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1350.3144 [So,] it's like. 1351.0081 1133 LES_int_01 1351.0081 Okay. 1351.2759 1134 LES_int_01 1351.2759 (pause 0.22) 1351.4910 1135 LES_int_01 1351.4910 So, we got this huge neighborhood, right, with these 1353.6407 1136 LES_int_01 1353.6407 (pause 0.59) 1354.2334 1137 LES_int_01 1354.2334 big boundaries. 1355.0369 1138 LES_int_01 1355.0369 (pause 0.35) 1355.3837 1139 LES_int_01 1355.3837 So, 1356.0071 1140 LES_int_01 1356.0071 (pause 0.32) 1356.3320 1141 LES_int_01 1356.3320 do all people that live inside those streets 1359.3949 1142 LES_int_01 1359.3949 (pause 0.22) 1359.6188 1143 LES_int_01 1359.6188 do they form one Lower East Side 1362.4944 1144 LES_int_01 1362.4944 (pause 0.53) 1363.0257 1145 LES_int_01 1363.0257 community? 1363.7924 1146 LES_int_01 1363.7924 (pause 0.85) 1364.6398 1147 LES_int_01 1364.6398 And I guess to- for you to answer that, I have to ask you, like what does 1367.5769 1148 LES_int_01 1367.5769 (pause 0.47) 1368.0510 1149 LES_int_01 1368.0510 community mean to you? Like wha- how do you define that? 1370.5113 1150 LES_int_01 1370.5113 (pause 1.84) 1372.3493 1151 LES_int_01 1372.3493 What does it mean? 1373.1693 1152 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1380.1388 Community means to me 1381.2276 1153 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1381.2276 (pause 2.87) 1384.1017 1154 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1384.1017 the clinics, 1384.8086 1155 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1384.8086 (pause 0.50) 1385.3090 1156 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1385.3090 that are in the area. 1386.2178 1157 LES_int_01 1386.3408 Yeah. 1386.6920 1158 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1387.1310 You know, 1387.6447 1159 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1387.6447 (pause 0.23) 1387.8774 1160 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1387.8774 post offices 1388.6617 1161 LES_int_01 1389.2500 [Yeah.] 1389.6056 1162 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1389.5134 [You] know, the stores, the people, the- 1391.6866 1163 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1392.0378 the culture. 1392.7008 1164 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1392.7008 (pause 1.29) 1393.9944 1165 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1393.9944 As many cultures as there are in the Lower East Side. 1396.0856 1166 LES_int_01 1396.4968 Yeah. 1396.7690 1167 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1396.8744 Cause there are 1397.3354 1168 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1397.3354 (pause 0.47) 1397.8095 1169 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1397.8095 I can't even [name.] 1398.5954 1170 LES_int_01 1398.2266 [A lot. ] 1399.3418 1171 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1398.9159 [You know] what I'm saying, I can't even name. 1400.2973 1172 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1400.7407 I mean, I think that we are 1401.7285 1173 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1401.7285 (pause 0.40) 1402.1281 1174 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1402.1281 in hist- in history, the Lower East Side has been a place for immigrants, for people to start off. 1406.3060 1175 LES_int_01 1406.7669 [Yes. Yes.] 1407.9013 1176 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1406.8372 [You know what I mean.] 1407.6554 1177 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1407.6554 (pause 0.24) 1407.8969 1178 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1407.8969 And I just 1408.4369 1179 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1409.2052 that's what I think community- community is family. 1411.1111 1180 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1411.1111 (pause 0.43) 1411.5457 1181 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1411.5457 Community is 1412.5072 1182 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1412.5072 (pause 0.50) 1413.0062 1183 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1413.0062 I know your mother. 1413.8052 1184 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1413.8052 (pause 0.66) 1414.4637 1185 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1414.4637 1414.7491 1186 LES_int_01 1414.8764 [Right.] 1415.2871 1187 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1414.9511 [So, I'm'a] tell her when I saw y- y- I saw you cutting. 1417.3482 1188 LES_int_01 1417.5413 [Right.] 1417.8618 1189 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1417.6160 [That's] community 1418.4413 1190 LES_int_01 1418.5116 Right. 1418.9199 1191 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1418.9682 to me, just knowing 1420.0071 1192 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1420.0071 (pause 0.11) 1420.1213 1193 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1420.1213 seeing the familiar faces 1421.4911 1194 LES_int_01 1421.6359 Okay. 1421.9784 1195 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1421.9784 that you've seen since you were a child. 1423.6774 1196 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1423.8311 You know what [I mean.] 1424.5818 1197 LES_int_01 1424.2570 [Okay.] 1424.5818 1198 LES_int_01 1424.9023 [And what about] all these new people moving in? Are they a part of 1428.0200 1199 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1424.9819 [That's community.] 1425.6745 1200 LES_int_01 1428.4107 The Lower East Side [community?] 1430.0219 1201 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1429.3512 [I feel like] they are visiting. 1430.9278 1202 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1431.2653 I think they're visitors. 1432.2679 1203 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1432.2679 (pause 0.48) 1432.7528 1204 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1432.7528 I think that in a couple of years, when they're ready to raise their children, or whatever the case may be, I think they're gonna move on up out of here. 1437.7197 1205 LES_int_01 1438.7917 Right. 1439.0575 1206 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1439.1601 Or, 1439.7756 1207 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1439.7756 (pause 0.40) 1440.1766 1208 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1440.1766 the people who are here 1441.3303 1209 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1441.3303 (pause 0.60) 1441.9271 1210 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1441.9271 are gonna be moved out. 1443.1348 1211 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1443.1348 (pause 0.41) 1443.5483 1212 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1443.5483 The people who've been here, are gonna be moved out. I [definitely] know there's a disconnection. 1446.7989 1213 LES_int_01 1445.3435 [Right.] 1445.6892 1214 LES_int_01 1447.0264 [Yeah.] 1447.3574 1215 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1447.1709 [Once] you hit Clinton Street, 1448.3320 1216 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1449.5394 not even Clinton Street anymore. Pitt Street. 1451.5305 1217 LES_int_01 1451.7124 [Yeah.] 1452.0356 1218 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1451.7371 [Unfortunately,] once you hit Pitt Street, 1453.2698 1219 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1453.6475 it's a whole nother life. 1454.5416 1220 LES_int_01 1454.7421 [Yeah.] 1455.0918 1221 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1454.7666 [It's a who-] cause, I did a study with my, not a study, but my kids did a community survey 1458.3092 1222 LES_int_01 1459.0095 [Cool.] 1459.2942 1223 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1459.1690 [on] gentrification. 1459.9337 1224 LES_int_01 1460.4467 Cool. 1460.7591 1225 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1461.4285 A lot of people didn't know what gentrification even was. [They didn't even] know that they didn't even know that they were being affected by it. 1465.4766 1226 LES_int_01 1463.4791 [Yeah.] 1463.8475 1227 LES_int_01 1465.5867 Yeah. 1465.9178 1228 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1466.3188 But, 1466.5333 1229 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1466.5333 (pause 0.54) 1467.0733 1230 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1467.0733 once you hit this street, right here, 1468.9308 1231 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1468.9308 (pause 0.28) 1469.2152 1232 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1469.2152 the answers on this side were totally different than the answers on this side, obviously. 1473.0549 1233 LES_int_01 1473.1948 [Interesting.] 1473.7637 1234 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1473.3911 [The people] this side were like, 1474.5677 1235 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1474.9014 what? 1475.1472 1236 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1475.1472 (pause 0.19) 1475.3404 1237 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1475.3404 Yeah this community's going through gentrification. 1477.1641 1238 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1477.1641 (pause 0.24) 1477.4066 1239 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1477.4066 Da da da da da. 1478.1620 1240 LES_int_01 1478.2879 [Yeah.] 1478.6609 1241 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1478.3112 [On the] other side, 1479.2391 1242 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1479.5655 No, there's no- there's no [gentrification.] 1481.8364 1243 LES_int_01 1481.4820 [It's a- everything's great.] 1482.9228 1244 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1482.3353 [Everything is great] and you know, we go to- h- you wanna get a drink 1485.3837 1245 LES_int_01 1485.5236 [] 1486.5307 1246 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1485.7194 [at the bar?] 1486.5541 1247 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1486.7592 That 1486.9597 1248 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1486.9597 (pause 0.17) 1487.1276 1249 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1487.1276 the mini bar that's on this block. 1488.6570 1250 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1488.6570 (pause 0.70) 1489.3553 1251 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1489.3553 So, 1489.7656 1252 LES_int_01 1489.9102 Even on Pitt Street, I- 1491.3743 1253 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1492.4701 Y- no, you really. It's really, it's mind-boggling. [Like, wha-] 1495.5629 1254 LES_int_01 1495.2692 [Yeah.] 1495.5629 1255 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1495.8893 Cause, 1496.1206 1256 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1496.1206 (pause 0.12) 1496.2391 1257 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1496.2391 m- I told you, I lived in Brooklyn. 1497.5762 1258 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1497.5762 (pause 0.12) 1497.6974 1259 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1497.6974 [I live] in the Bronx, it's like, even coming back from Brooklyn, when I was 1501.0733 1260 LES_int_01 1497.6974 [Yeah.] 1497.9678 1261 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1501.4604 nineteen years old to come to 1502.9292 1262 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1502.9292 (pause 0.23) 1503.1623 1263 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1503.1623 get a job at The Beacon, 1504.6346 1264 LES_int_01 1504.8445 Yeah. 1505.1709 1265 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1505.8563 it was totally different then, and that was 1507.4743 1266 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1507.4743 (pause 1.30) 1508.7753 1267 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1508.7753 and, dare I say it, that was ten years ago. 1510.7885 1268 LES_int_01 1511.0450 Yeah. 1511.4553 1269 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1511.4833 So, when the- within the last ten years, 1513.3065 1270 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1513.3065 (pause 0.84) 1514.1458 1271 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1514.1458 forget these buildings going up, this blue building and all tha- 1516.5973 1272 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1516.5973 (pause 0.28) 1516.8771 1273 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1516.8771 it was already changing before that. 1518.5278 1274 LES_int_01 1518.5278 Right. 1518.8029 1275 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1518.8588 And what people ou- don't realize is all of these things are in plans, in the works. People have been planning this for the last fifteen to twenty years they wanted this cha- 1526.2895 1276 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1526.2895 (pause 0.32) 1526.6101 1277 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1526.6101 rezoning and all of these things to happen. 1528.5219 1278 LES_int_01 1528.5965 Yeah. 1528.8623 1279 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1528.8623 This didn't just ho- happen over night. 1530.6202 1280 LES_int_01 1530.6202 Yeah. 1530.9559 1281 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1531.0165 And the thing is, people didn't get the signs when it was happening. 1533.4250 1282 LES_int_01 1533.6488 Yeah. 1533.8931 1283 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1534.3256 So, if the- is there a big difference between us and them? 1536.6664 1284 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1536.6664 (pause 0.24) 1536.9042 1285 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1536.9042 Yes. 1537.4357 1286 LES_int_01 1537.7435 Yeah. 1537.9957 1287 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1537.9957 It's always gonna be a difference between the poor and the rich. Always. 1541.0042 1288 LES_int_01 1541.0835 Okay. 1541.4379 1289 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1541.5824 [No matter] where you are. You could be in Lower East Side, you could be in Mississippi, you could be (laughing) 1545.8004 1290 LES_int_01 1541.7316 [Yeah .] 1542.0625 1291 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1546.1548 in La- L- Los Angeles, you could be in Chicago, there's always gonna be 1549.5064 1292 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1549.5064 (pause 0.39) 1549.8981 1293 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1549.8981 the low 1550.4204 1294 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1550.4204 (pause 0.31) 1550.7281 1295 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1550.7281 and the rich. The low class and the high class. [It's always gonna be there.] 1553.4024 1296 LES_int_01 1552.6105 [And could those] two groups] 1554.4444 1297 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1554.5832 [Coexist?] 1555.3183 1298 LES_int_01 1555.0599 [come] together? I'm- not even just coexist. I mean, can they- 1558.0244 1299 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1558.0244 Come together? 1558.7844 1300 LES_int_01 1558.7844 Yeah. 1559.2227 1301 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1559.5072 The only way I think for them to- for us 1562.3096 1302 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1562.3096 (pause 0.19) 1562.4996 1303 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1562.4996 to come together 1563.3902 1304 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1563.3902 (pause 0.49) 1563.8798 1305 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1563.8798 is, um, 1564.5606 1306 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1564.5606 (pause 0.62) 1565.1808 1307 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1565.1808 we have to have some type of common ground. 1567.2325 1308 LES_int_01 1568.0473 Yeah. 1568.3317 1309 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1568.4250 You know, and. 1569.4135 1310 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1569.4135 (pause 1.22) 1570.6352 1311 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1570.6352 If people who live in the housing projects don't think they have anything in 1573.6482 1312 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1573.6482 (pause 0.19) 1573.8368 1313 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1573.8368 common, or they think that the people who live in the condos are better than them, 1576.6632 1314 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1576.6632 (pause 0.48) 1577.1388 1315 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1577.1388 they're not gonna even think to, 1578.7662 1316 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1578.7662 (pause 0.40) 1579.1625 1317 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1579.1625 you know what I'm saying, 1579.8121 1318 LES_int_01 1579.8344 Yeah. 1580.0724 1319 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1580.0724 try to come together. 1581.3275 1320 LES_int_01 1581.3275 Yeah. 1581.7658 1321 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1581.7658 You have people coming from two different walks of life. 1584.0401 1322 LES_int_01 1584.2546 Yeah. 1584.6276 1323 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1585.5322 [And if] hopefully, if we can make it- make a I don't know, we could have some type of conference or we could have just a town hall meeting or [whole Lower] East Side meeting and [people] come out and talk, 1594.5250 1324 LES_int_01 1585.5322 [Yeah.] 1585.8469 1325 LES_int_01 1585.8469 (pause 6.27) 1592.1143 1326 LES_int_01 1592.1143 [Right.] 1592.4220 1327 LES_int_01 1592.4220 (pause 1.05) 1593.4712 1328 LES_int_01 1593.4712 [Right.] 1593.7510 1329 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1595.5719 Maybe, we could make moves toward that. 1597.7643 1330 LES_int_01 1597.7643 Right. 1598.1607 1331 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1598.2679 But, I just feel like there's gonna be a lot of tension 1600.5447 1332 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1600.5447 (pause 0.77) 1601.3188 1333 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1601.3188 there. 1601.8037 1334 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1601.8037 (pause 0.16) 1601.9589 1335 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1601.9589 You know what I mean. 1602.5790 1336 LES_int_01 1602.6537 [Mm-hm.] 1603.0313 1337 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1602.8448 [Cause] you have people who lived in the Lower East Side all their lives and 1605.2855 1338 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1605.5606 and feel that the gentrification is 1607.3548 1339 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1607.3548 (pause 0.18) 1607.5367 1340 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1607.5367 actually good for us, and [you know.] 1609.2853 1341 LES_int_01 1608.9635 [Yeah.] 1609.3366 1342 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1609.7178 But at the same time, for organizations like mine, like this organization here, we are getting budget cuts. 1614.3480 1343 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1614.3480 (pause 0.26) 1614.6045 1344 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1614.6045 Because 1615.0708 1345 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1615.0708 (pause 0.88) 1615.9556 1346 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1615.9556 they don't see the need anymore. 1617.3591 1347 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1617.3591 (pause 0.41) 1617.7694 1348 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1617.7694 Because the income bracket has gone up. 1619.6206 1349 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1619.6206 (pause 0.60) 1620.2175 1350 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1620.2175 So, if you got all these 1621.3074 1351 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1621.3074 (pause 0.31) 1621.6198 1352 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1621.6198 and they're not counting all the people who still live 1623.7974 1353 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1623.7974 (pause 0.16) 1623.9560 1354 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1623.9560 in the [projects.] 1625.1077 1355 LES_int_01 1624.8326 [Yeah.] 1625.3502 1356 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1625.3502 You know what I'm saying, who [live in] these tenement houses, [who] 1627.5023 1357 LES_int_01 1625.9018 [Yeah.] 1626.1629 1358 LES_int_01 1626.1629 (pause 1.15) 1627.3158 1359 LES_int_01 1627.3158 [Yeah.] 1627.6888 1360 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1627.9546 They're not counting them, they're counting all these people who live in that blue building who's paying fifteen thousand dollars a month or [whatever they wanna] pay. 1634.5095 1361 LES_int_01 1633.3764 [Who-] 1633.6608 1362 LES_int_01 1633.6608 (pause 0.16) 1633.8240 1363 LES_int_01 1633.8240 [Who] 1634.0619 1364 LES_int_01 1634.7287 does that? I jus- 1635.9363 1365 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1636.2907 People who have money [ to do that.] 1638.5044 1366 LES_int_01 1637.1942 [I know. They're so-] I just don't understand where they're coming from. Like, [there's just so ma- seems] to be so many of them. 1642.3000 1367 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1640.7007 [They're coming f-] 1641.3127 1368 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1642.7838 they're coming- L- I mean, 1643.9775 1369 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1643.9775 (pause 0.68) 1644.6537 1370 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1644.6537 so many of them, it's not- it's 1646.0852 1371 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1646.0852 (pause 0.55) 1646.6354 1372 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1646.6354 it's not- that's not even, that's a understatement. 1648.8454 1373 LES_int_01 1648.8454 Yeah. 1649.2931 1374 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1649.2931 It's a understatement. I- you- I- 1650.6051 1375 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1650.8009 I'm sure you've hung out here 1652.1112 1376 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1652.1112 (pause 0.40) 1652.5122 1377 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1652.5122 on a Friday [night.] 1653.4634 1378 LES_int_01 1653.2338 [Yeah.] 1653.9193 1379 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1654.1384 I've hung o- I k- I'll just walk through. 1656.0502 1380 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1656.0502 (pause 0.21) 1656.2647 1381 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1656.2647 Going to th- t- on my way to the train station, [it's flooded.] 1659.6965 1382 LES_int_01 1658.0413 [Yeah.] 1658.3583 1383 LES_int_01 1658.3583 (pause 0.88) 1659.2350 1384 LES_int_01 1659.2350 [I know, it's] insane. 1660.3851 1385 LES_int_01 1660.5203 [It's completely insane.] 1661.4622 1386 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1660.6742 [It's flooded.] People throwing up and 1662.5727 1387 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1662.8851 [Like.] 1663.2395 1388 LES_int_01 1662.8851 [] 1663.2395 1389 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1663.6359 My kid goes to school right here, and you're. 1665.1650 1390 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1665.1650 (pause 0.40) 1665.5613 1391 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1665.5613 You know, one day, um /RD-NAME-2/ told me this one story that she um, was walking and some um, 1669.5308 1392 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1669.5308 (pause 0.39) 1669.9225 1393 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1669.9225 some lady was walking her dog in the school yard on a school day. 1672.6516 1394 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1672.6516 (pause 1.28) 1673.9346 1395 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1673.9346 You know, 1674.4511 1396 LES_int_01 1674.4511 [Yeah.] 1674.8755 1397 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1674.5724 [the dog] is defecating, [urinating] 1676.4795 1398 LES_int_01 1676.3303 [Yeah.] 1676.7872 1399 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1676.8758 Okay, it's like eleven o'clock, kids 1678.5833 1400 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1678.5833 (pause 0.18) 1678.7652 1401 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1678.7652 go [to] 1679.2026 1402 LES_int_01 1678.9415 [About] to [play.] 1680.3917 1403 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1679.6969 [recess, you] know. 1680.8212 1404 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1681.0496 So, /RD-NAME-2/ started screaming at her. 1682.9570 1405 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1682.9570 (pause 0.12) 1683.0751 1406 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1683.0751 Some other lady starts screaming at her, 1685.3329 1407 LES_int_01 1685.4028 Good [for them.] 1685.9978 1408 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1685.6657 [This poor] woman is getting attacked, right. 1687.7640 1409 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1687.9645 She's like, I live here too, I live here too. And oh, and /RD-NAME-2/ was like no, you're a visitor. 1692.4709 1410 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1692.4709 (pause 0.36) 1692.8307 1411 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1692.8307 Cause you're [not,] cause if you had any sense that this was your neighborhood, 1695.8045 1412 LES_int_01 1693.0829 [Oh.] 1693.4140 1413 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1696.0423 I think that that's the issue. 1697.1381 1414 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1697.1381 (pause 0.19) 1697.3246 1415 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1697.3246 They don't think of it as their neighborhood. 1699.0545 1416 LES_int_01 1699.2411 Right. 1699.6561 1417 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1699.6561 They think of it as 1700.6213 1418 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1700.7612 their 1701.0316 1419 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1701.0316 (pause 0.22) 1701.2554 1420 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1701.2554 hot s- [this is the hot spot.] 1702.7601 1421 LES_int_01 1701.9860 [A cool place to.] 1703.5388 1422 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1703.3103 [Oh,] like- like the email stated that I just told you. 1706.1490 1423 LES_int_01 1706.1490 Yeah. 1706.4940 1424 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1706.4940 Oh, you can hang out if you're single, you can have a good time. 1709.3164 1425 LES_int_01 1709.4237 [Yeah.] 1709.8184 1426 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1709.5729 [So what] does that mean? 1710.5185 1427 LES_int_01 1710.5838 [Yeah.] 1711.0967 1428 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1710.8169 [They're] building up hotels too. 1712.1598 1429 LES_int_01 1712.5079 I know. 1713.1887 1430 LES_int_01 1713.1887 (pause 0.36) 1713.5443 1431 LES_int_01 1713.5443 Okay, so let me ask your opinions about housing and development [and in] particular, because one issue that like, /RD-NAME-2/ and GOALS and me are work- are working on is this um. 1722.1953 1432 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1716.3300 [Mm-hm.] 1716.8289 1433 LES_int_01 1722.7082 Uh. The parking lots that are just south of Delancey [on- by] the Williamsburg [bridge,] t- you're familiar with [those.] 1728.4195 1434 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1725.8098 [Mm-hm.] 1726.1455 1435 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1726.1455 (pause 0.82) 1726.9647 1436 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1726.9647 [Mm-hm.] 1727.3098 1437 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1727.3098 (pause 0.96) 1728.2703 1438 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1728.2703 [Mm-hm.] 1728.5501 1439 LES_int_01 1729.0164 It's a urban renewal site. 1730.5412 1440 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1730.8396 Hm. 1731.0634 1441 LES_int_01 1731.4085 And 1732.2666 1442 LES_int_01 1732.2666 (pause 0.18) 1732.4438 1443 LES_int_01 1732.4438 if you know, it's been vacant for 1734.2577 1444 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1734.2577 Ever. 1734.5794 1445 LES_int_01 1734.9058 ever. So, forty years. 1736.3269 1446 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1736.3269 Mm-hm. 1736.7372 1447 LES_int_01 1736.7885 Um. 1737.0916 1448 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1737.0916 They used to have carnivals there. 1738.2293 1449 LES_int_01 1738.7656 Really? 1739.1992 1450 LES_int_01 1739.1992 (pause 1.47) 1740.6711 1451 LES_int_01 1740.6711 So, 1741.2320 1452 LES_int_01 1741.2320 (pause 0.24) 1741.4745 1453 LES_int_01 1741.4745 uh, I always ask people, 1742.9373 1454 LES_int_01 1742.9373 (pause 0.95) 1743.8827 1455 LES_int_01 1743.8827 it's a huge area of land, I think it's the- 1745.8971 1456 LES_int_01 1745.8971 (pause 0.79) 1746.6898 1457 LES_int_01 1746.6898 the biggest area, undeveloped, you know, in Manhattan, south of Ninety-Sixth Street or something. 1751.1370 1458 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1751.4954 Hm. 1751.7670 1459 LES_int_01 1751.8551 If it were up to you, 1752.9835 1460 LES_int_01 1752.9835 (pause 0.76) 1753.7389 1461 LES_int_01 1753.7389 blank slate. 1754.4244 1462 LES_int_01 1754.4244 (pause 0.69) 1755.1191 1463 LES_int_01 1755.1191 What would you wanna see developed in a big plot of land like that, in the middle of your community? What do you think is needed 1760.3078 1464 LES_int_01 1760.3078 (pause 0.48) 1760.7834 1465 LES_int_01 1760.7834 here. 1761.2905 1466 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1763.3892 Damn straight ain't another boutique. 1764.6105 1467 LES_int_01 1765.3239 Yeah. 1765.6643 1468 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1765.7762 But, um. 1766.5736 1469 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1766.5736 (pause 3.06) 1769.6359 1470 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1769.6359 It's hard for me now, because I don't live here. 1771.8788 1471 LES_int_01 1771.8788 Yeah. 1772.2798 1472 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1772.5596 [You know] but. 1773.3977 1473 LES_int_01 1772.5596 [Yeah.] 1772.9874 1474 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1776.1395 A hospital. 1776.8903 1475 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1776.8903 (pause 0.36) 1777.2540 1476 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1777.2540 [Perhaps.] 1777.9128 1477 LES_int_01 1777.3053 [Hm.] 1777.6503 1478 LES_int_01 1777.9128 Okay. 1778.1959 1479 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1778.4057 Because we don't have any hospitals in this immediate area. [You have] to go up to 1781.7852 1480 LES_int_01 1780.9645 [Right.] 1781.2209 1481 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1781.9670 Fourteenth [Street,] Sixteenth Street, or you have to go South to Beekman [Hospital] 1785.2276 1482 LES_int_01 1782.5405 [Right.] 1782.8110 1483 LES_int_01 1782.8110 (pause 2.26) 1785.0690 1484 LES_int_01 1785.0690 [Right.] 1785.4411 1485 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1785.5670 There's no hospital here. So if somebody needs medical care. 1787.7678 1486 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1787.7678 (pause 1.15) 1788.9138 1487 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1788.9138 That could be a [hospital.] It's right off the bridge. 1790.8862 1488 LES_int_01 1789.6179 [Right.] 1789.9956 1489 LES_int_01 1790.8862 Yeah. 1791.2359 1490 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1791.2359 You know, but that might be a issue too because of the [traffic.] 1793.5580 1491 LES_int_01 1793.3668 [Yeah.] It's- 1794.1049 1492 LES_int_01 1794.2354 it's a st- an interesting space. The- A lot of the issues uh that people not being able to agree has been about [housing.] Building housing, [and if] 1801.2687 1493 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1800.3082 [Mm-hm.] 1800.6439 1494 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1800.6439 (pause 0.28) 1800.9190 1495 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1800.9190 [Mm-hm.] 1801.3526 1496 LES_int_01 1801.6977 it were to be built, 1802.4801 1497 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1803.0677 Is it gonna be affordable housing? 1804.1401 1498 LES_int_01 1804.3313 [Exactly.] 1804.9002 1499 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1804.7416 [Or is] it gonna be another blue building? 1806.0998 1500 LES_int_01 1806.1697 Exactly. Exactly. So, what- sort of, what's your take on that? 1809.2737 1501 LES_int_01 1809.2737 (pause 1.96) 1811.2323 1502 LES_int_01 1811.2323 Like, do you think there should be- there needs to be housing built 1813.8923 1503 LES_int_01 1813.8923 (pause 0.80) 1814.6896 1504 LES_int_01 1814.6896 in the [community?] 1815.7046 1505 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1815.3005 [Of course.] 1815.8553 1506 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1816.1491 [Of course.] 1816.8299 1507 LES_int_01 1816.1771 [And then, if] so, for who? 1817.6645 1508 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1817.7718 Low income. 1818.5540 1509 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1818.5540 (pause 0.17) 1818.7219 1510 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1818.7219 Mid income. 1819.3653 1511 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1819.3653 (pause 0.14) 1819.5006 1512 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1819.5006 People who can, you know, people who work every day 1821.5476 1513 LES_int_01 1821.5476 Yeah. 1821.8040 1514 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1821.9812 people who don't have 1822.7133 1515 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1822.7133 (pause 0.14) 1822.8532 1516 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1822.8532 private jet services, people who don't have 1824.6193 1517 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1824.6193 (pause 0.54) 1825.1602 1518 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1825.1602 you know, 1825.7477 1519 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1825.7477 (pause 0.14) 1825.8829 1520 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1825.8829 Mercedes Benzes, like four of five of them, [you know what I] mean. 1828.7040 1521 LES_int_01 1828.0652 [Yeah.] 1828.3757 1522 LES_int_01 1828.7914 Yeah. 1829.1318 1523 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1829.3801 Working people. 1830.1996 1524 LES_int_01 1830.1996 Yeah. 1830.5493 1525 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1830.5493 People who live in the community so they don't have to co- 1832.7269 1526 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1833.1326 people who moved out of the community because of necessity, because they couldn't find anything here, who work here, like myself. 1838.2326 1527 LES_int_01 1838.3679 Right. 1838.7129 1528 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1838.7782 I live all the way in East New York. 1840.1911 1529 LES_int_01 1840.5408 Yeah. 1840.8672 1530 LES_int_01 1840.8672 (pause 0.39) 1841.2589 1531 LES_int_01 1841.2589 [Because you- because] you weren't able [to] 1842.9178 1532 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1841.2868 [You know.] 1841.8791 1533 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1841.8791 (pause 0.89) 1842.7734 1534 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1842.7734 [Cause] I wasn't able to find 1843.8865 1535 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1844.3040 um, housing over here. 1845.3625 1536 LES_int_01 1845.3625 Yeah. 1845.6143 1537 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1845.9127 And if I- and the housing that I did find was 1847.7872 1538 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1847.7872 (pause 0.50) 1848.2861 1539 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1848.2861 above my income. 1849.0963 1540 LES_int_01 1849.2176 Yeah. 1849.5486 1541 LES_int_01 1849.5486 (pause 0.44) 1849.9916 1542 LES_int_01 1849.9916 Now, do you like, um, models that are- 1851.8428 1543 LES_int_01 1851.8428 (pause 0.15) 1851.9966 1544 LES_int_01 1851.9966 are all low income? or like mi- a mix- like mixed housing. That's sort of a newer 1856.4476 1545 LES_int_01 1856.4476 (pause 0.18) 1856.6248 1546 LES_int_01 1856.6248 concept. Like, you put low, moderate, and middle, 1859.2113 1547 LES_int_01 1859.2113 (pause 0.53) 1859.7382 1548 LES_int_01 1859.7382 all in the same complex. 1861.2676 1549 LES_int_01 1861.2676 (pause 0.38) 1861.6453 1550 LES_int_01 1861.6453 Which one of those, like strikes you better? 1863.2529 1551 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1865.7429 I would say mixed. 1866.6848 1552 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1866.6848 (pause 0.46) 1867.1418 1553 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1867.1418 But we have to st- be careful with that because sometime, 1869.5420 1554 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1869.5420 (pause 0.36) 1869.9057 1555 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1869.9057 those upper class 1870.8523 1556 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1870.8523 (pause 0.61) 1871.4584 1557 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1871.4584 people get up in there and 1872.8806 1558 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1872.8806 (pause 1.14) 1874.0230 1559 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1874.0230 a lot of times, when even when you apply for subsidized housing, it says only four units are available. 1878.3211 1560 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1878.3211 (pause 0.71) 1879.0345 1561 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1879.0345 It should be reversed. [It should only] be four units available for the [upper income] and more of the units available 1884.1346 1562 LES_int_01 1879.8277 [It should.] 1880.2863 1563 LES_int_01 1880.2863 (pause 1.59) 1881.8747 1564 LES_int_01 1881.8747 [Right.] 1882.2291 1565 LES_int_01 1882.2291 (pause 1.48) 1883.7072 1566 LES_int_01 1883.7072 [Right. Right. It's got to be distributed] in the right way. 1886.5173 1567 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1884.4253 [for low income.] 1885.3668 1568 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1886.8916 [For low] income, I mean, I think I'm low income. 1888.9468 1569 LES_int_01 1886.8916 [Yeah.] 1887.2065 1570 LES_int_01 1889.3804 Yeah. 1889.6276 1571 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1889.9120 I have a job, I have a an- annual salary, but I [still,] I'm not making a thousand 1894.0247 1572 LES_int_01 1892.3927 [Yeah.] 1892.8263 1573 LES_int_01 1894.2380 [Yeah.] 1894.6810 1574 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1894.5271 [hundred] thousand, million [dollars a year either.] 1896.7466 1575 LES_int_01 1895.8047 [Yeah. Yeah.] 1896.7466 1576 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1897.1523 You know so. 1897.9963 1577 LES_int_01 1898.5465 Yeah. I'm a student. I'm definitely low income (laughing). 1901.1363 1578 LES_int_01 1901.1363 (pause 0.61) 1901.7472 1579 LES_int_01 1901.7472 Um. 1902.3161 1580 LES_int_01 1902.3161 (pause 0.10) 1902.4186 1581 LES_int_01 1902.4186 What about building height? 1903.5039 1582 LES_int_01 1903.5039 (pause 0.19) 1903.6951 1583 LES_int_01 1903.6951 Also something people really opinionated about. Do you think that there's something that's too tall for this community? Like, do you- do you, 1910.6230 1584 LES_int_01 1910.6230 (pause 0.75) 1911.3691 1585 LES_int_01 1911.3691 think if like, for instance, if that site were gonna be developed, would you 1914.6956 1586 LES_int_01 1914.6956 (pause 0.79) 1915.4825 1587 LES_int_01 1915.4825 think there is a ca- there should be a cap 1917.4082 1588 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1917.8652 [Well, the building] that's right on the same block, both of the build- all the buildings that are on the same block at least 1922.1306 1589 LES_int_01 1917.8652 [on how high it goes?] 1918.8910 1590 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1922.3777 they're over fifteen stories. 1923.7813 1591 LES_int_01 1923.7813 Yeah. 1924.1450 1592 LES_int_01 1924.1450 (pause 0.15) 1924.2942 1593 LES_int_01 1924.2942 Like [all the bars and clubs. Yeah] and [yeah and The Extension.] 1927.2831 1594 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1924.4518 [The Seward Park Extension,] 1926.1127 1595 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1926.1127 (pause 0.52) 1926.6350 1596 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1926.6350 [Yeah, they're over-] they're over fifty, so, I wouldn't. 1928.8627 1597 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1929.1704 I wouldn't- I would say that 1930.5833 1598 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1930.5833 (pause 0.32) 1930.9004 1599 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1930.9004 it doesn't make 1931.4692 1600 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1931.4692 (pause 0.46) 1931.9309 1601 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1931.9309 sense that they're 1932.9147 1602 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1932.9147 (pause 0.96) 1933.8741 1603 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1933.8741 above 1934.3591 1604 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1934.3591 (pause 0.57) 1934.9280 1605 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1934.9280 the highest build- you know, [highest floor.] 1936.8118 1606 LES_int_01 1936.1356 [Right.] 1936.5072 1607 LES_int_01 1936.9703 But [something] like that would be okay with [you.] 1938.9241 1608 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1937.1195 [It could.] 1937.3667 1609 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1937.3667 (pause 1.37) 1938.7329 1610 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1938.7329 [If it's] housing. 1939.4416 1611 LES_int_01 1939.7016 Yeah. 1940.0327 1612 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1940.0886 Not if it's a hotel. 1940.9466 1613 LES_int_01 1941.1844 Yeah. 1941.5574 1614 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1941.7207 We don't need that. 1942.3781 1615 LES_int_01 1942.5413 [Yeah.] 1942.9097 1616 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1942.6392 [We don't] need hotels. We need housing. 1944.2899 1617 LES_int_01 1944.2899 [Yes.] 1944.8414 1618 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1944.5604 [So, if] it's housing, 1945.4743 1619 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1945.9581 yes. 1946.4710 1620 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1946.4710 (pause 0.82) 1947.2870 1621 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1947.2870 Or housing for people who actually need it, 1949.2454 1622 LES_int_01 1949.4646 Yeah. 1949.8003 1623 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1949.8003 yes. 1950.3179 1624 LES_int_01 1950.3179 And you'd be willing to go a- 1951.7389 1625 LES_int_01 1951.7389 (pause 0.19) 1951.9254 1626 LES_int_01 1951.9254 higher, if it meant more 1953.5775 1627 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1953.7460 Yeah. 1954.0398 1628 LES_int_01 1954.3175 affordable [housing.] 1955.8842 1629 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1955.2055 [But, at the same] time, it might- 1956.5510 1630 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1957.2551 it might perpetuate the whole 1958.6109 1631 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1958.6109 (pause 0.23) 1958.8394 1632 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1958.8394 project mentality, or whatever the case may be. So, it just depends on how high you go. 1962.9334 1633 LES_int_01 1963.1712 [Yeah.] 1963.4825 1634 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1963.2773 [Like,] maybe in my opinion, maybe no higher than ten flights. 1966.2522 1635 LES_int_01 1966.3548 Yeah. 1966.7372 1636 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1966.9050 You know what I mean, cause ten, that- that- that'll 1968.8075 1637 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1968.8075 (pause 0.25) 1969.0546 1638 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1969.0546 do enough people, [but it's] not gonna be like 1971.1285 1639 LES_int_01 1970.0607 [Yeah.] 1970.3591 1640 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1972.0284 You could see that building above all the buildings in the whole skyline, [like you shouldn't] see. 1975.9721 1641 LES_int_01 1974.8036 [Yeah.] 1975.2699 1642 LES_int_01 1975.9721 Some of 'em just stick out. 1977.5015 1643 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1977.5015 Yeah. 1977.9864 1644 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1978.1170 Like [that odd] 1978.9890 1645 LES_int_01 1978.3072 [And it's] 1978.9890 1646 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1979.1522 blue [building.] 1979.7956 1647 LES_int_01 1979.5998 [The] blue [building. Everyone talks about the blue building.] 1981.7710 1648 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1980.3365 [Doesn't even- doesn't even look] like it's sturdy, like I wouldn't wanna live there, [cause I would think it] 1984.3504 1649 LES_int_01 1983.6369 [] 1984.3524 1650 LES_int_01 1984.8353 It's about [to tip over (laughing).] 1986.6900 1651 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1985.2258 [gonna lean over or something.] Like, lean back. For real, [like, I'm good.] 1988.5458 1652 LES_int_01 1987.8884 [] 1988.5458 1653 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1989.0972 But no, housing, definitely. But if it's for [anything, any] type of commercial business, anything like that, 1993.8070 1654 LES_int_01 1991.1904 [Yeah.] 1991.6294 1655 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1994.2182 I don't think it's necessary. Like if they decide to put a movie theater there or something like that, like we don't need another. 1998.5294 1656 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1998.5294 (pause 0.32) 1998.8499 1657 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 1998.8499 What you tryna blind us from what's really going on? Like 2001.6055 1658 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2001.6055 (pause 0.27) 2001.8733 1659 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2001.8733 give me what I need. Don't give me what you think I want. 2003.9894 1660 LES_int_01 2004.1782 Yeah. [Yeah.] 2005.0608 1661 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2004.6919 [And don't] give me what you think I need. 2006.0573 1662 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2006.2109 Give me what I need. 2007.2367 1663 LES_int_01 2007.2367 Yeah. 2007.5923 1664 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2007.8865 So, housing. Definitely. 2009.0894 1665 LES_int_01 2009.2914 Okay. 2009.6031 1666 LES_int_01 2009.6031 (pause 0.42) 2010.0202 1667 LES_int_01 2010.0202 So, you already mentioned this. Um. That the 2012.3207 1668 LES_int_01 2012.3207 (pause 0.09) 2012.4085 1669 LES_int_01 2012.4085 in the history of the Lower East Side, 2013.8206 1670 LES_int_01 2013.8206 (pause 0.14) 2013.9655 1671 LES_int_01 2013.9655 it's really been a place where a lot of people move to start 2017.8421 1672 LES_int_01 2017.8421 (pause 0.31) 2018.1495 1673 LES_int_01 2018.1495 over. 2018.5534 1674 LES_int_01 2018.5534 (pause 0.31) 2018.8592 1675 LES_int_01 2018.8592 Start fresh, start a new life. 2020.2245 1676 LES_int_01 2020.2245 (pause 0.34) 2020.5626 1677 LES_int_01 2020.5626 And I'm wondering if you still think it's a place where people can do that. 2023.3153 1678 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2032.3211 Hm. 2032.6855 1679 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2032.6855 (pause 1.54) 2034.2221 1680 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2034.2221 Yes and no. 2034.9333 1681 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2034.9333 (pause 1.30) 2036.2329 1682 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2036.2329 Cause I would think that a lot of the people who are moving in now, 2038.6416 1683 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2038.6416 (pause 0.75) 2039.3924 1684 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2039.3924 I think, I guess they think they're starting over, it's- th- they're starting over for them. 2042.7465 1685 LES_int_01 2043.0710 Yeah. 2043.3788 1686 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2043.4161 You know what I mean. 2044.0021 1687 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2044.0021 (pause 0.38) 2044.3841 1688 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2044.3841 But, if you're already coming from affluent families, if you already have money, you really 2048.1641 1689 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2048.1641 (pause 0.27) 2048.4363 1690 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2048.4363 are just looking for different locations, where's hot. You know. 2050.8948 1691 LES_int_01 2051.0485 Right. 2051.3558 1692 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2051.5314 It's not like 2051.8783 1693 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2051.8783 (pause 0.98) 2052.8617 1694 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2052.8617 you just came off a boat 2053.8890 1695 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2053.8890 (pause 0.44) 2054.3280 1696 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2054.3280 and you left all your family behind, and you need to send them money. 2057.7904 1697 LES_int_01 2057.7904 Right. 2058.2339 1698 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2058.3656 You know, it's not the same type of situation. 2060.3401 1699 LES_int_01 2060.5069 [Yeah.] 2060.7484 1700 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2060.5947 [So,] I wouldn't say- if- I would say, if you're coming form a higher income bracket, 2064.1845 1701 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2064.6586 this isn't a starting over place for you. 2066.4455 1702 LES_int_01 2066.7396 [Yeah.] 2067.0586 1703 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2066.9284 [This] is a starting over place for people who need to start over. 2070.2942 1704 LES_int_01 2070.2942 Right. 2070.6718 1705 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2070.8781 Who need a clean slate. 2072.1162 1706 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2072.1162 (pause 0.26) 2072.3796 1707 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2072.3796 Who need that second chance. 2073.7942 1708 LES_int_01 2073.7942 Yeah. 2074.1605 1709 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2074.1605 You don't, if you don't need a second chance, then, you know, you're [just here] because 2077.6684 1710 LES_int_01 2076.8065 [Yeah.] 2077.2186 1711 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2078.2303 the boutiques. 2078.9108 1712 LES_int_01 2078.9108 And the people who do need the second chance [are-] 2081.4557 1713 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2080.9081 [Don't get it.] 2081.4381 1714 LES_int_01 2081.7674 they're not- 2082.2328 1715 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2082.4786 They get shipped out to where I live in 2083.9933 1716 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2083.9933 (pause 0.14) 2084.1381 1717 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2084.1381 East New York or Staton Island, [or] 2086.2001 1718 LES_int_01 2085.8488 [Yeah.] 2086.2001 1719 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2086.6391 any other other 2087.4469 1720 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2087.4469 (pause 0.17) 2087.6137 1721 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2087.6137 developments that they're building up now, the low income, 2089.9186 1722 LES_int_01 2090.2391 [Yeah.] 2090.5903 1723 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2090.3138 [by Bloomberg] you know. 2091.3630 1724 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2091.5386 Or, if you notice, a lot of them in the Bronx and in East New York, Brooklyn. 2094.9176 1725 LES_int_01 2095.0713 Yeah. 2095.4620 1726 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2095.5059 Then, you know, they're never here. And if they, when they are down here or something like that, 2099.2230 1727 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2099.2230 (pause 0.43) 2099.6576 1728 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2099.6576 It's like I said before, it's four units for low income 2102.3928 1729 LES_int_01 2103.0425 Right. 2103.3630 1730 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2103.6528 available, nine units i- a- available. 2106.3337 1731 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2106.3337 (pause 0.32) 2106.6542 1732 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2106.6542 You know, [so.] 2107.4840 1733 LES_int_01 2107.0625 [Right.] 2107.4840 1734 LES_int_01 2108.1820 Do you think it's important for 2109.3132 1735 LES_int_01 2109.3132 (pause 0.20) 2109.5152 1736 LES_int_01 2109.5152 uh, 2110.0552 1737 LES_int_01 2110.0552 (pause 0.46) 2110.5162 1738 LES_int_01 2110.5162 people who move into the neighborhood or even the East, like you were just talking about some of your youth. 2115.1260 1739 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2115.1523 Mm-hm. 2115.5869 1740 LES_int_01 2115.8796 Do you think it's important for people to know something about the, like the rich history of this neighborhood? 2121.2361 1741 LES_int_01 2121.2361 (pause 0.62) 2121.8591 1742 LES_int_01 2121.8591 And does it affect kind of how they relate to their 2124.2995 1743 LES_int_01 2124.2995 (pause 0.18) 2124.4786 1744 LES_int_01 2124.4786 community? 2125.1372 1745 LES_int_01 2125.1372 (pause 0.74) 2125.8791 1746 LES_int_01 2125.8791 [Cause it] really is such a, you know, the 2128.9320 1747 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2126.0503 [Definitely.] 2126.6562 1748 LES_int_01 2129.2393 kind of the [birthplace of activism.] 2131.3188 1749 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2129.6081 [My kids, my participants don't] know. [My participants] don't know. And I try to do my best to let them know, to educate them. 2135.1427 1750 LES_int_01 2131.7622 [Yeah.] 2132.0520 1751 LES_int_01 2135.2174 Yeah. 2135.5203 1752 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2135.5944 Because once you get 2136.3661 1753 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2136.3661 (pause 0.35) 2136.7129 1754 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2136.7129 you get a sense of pride. 2137.7183 1755 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2137.7183 (pause 0.19) 2137.9115 1756 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2137.9115 Like, really? That happened here? You [know?] 2140.0715 1757 LES_int_01 2139.7263 [Yeah.] 2140.0715 1758 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2140.1900 [It's like] it just 2140.8398 1759 LES_int_01 2140.1900 [Yeah.] 2140.5282 1760 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2141.1208 connects you 2141.7471 1761 LES_int_01 2142.6427 [Right.] 2143.0534 1762 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2142.6722 [to your] community even more, [you're m- you're] even more indebted because it's like wow. 2146.8486 1763 LES_int_01 2144.3637 [Right.] 2144.8585 1764 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2147.0066 All of this history came form 2148.1563 1765 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2148.1563 (pause 0.77) 2148.9237 1766 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2148.9237 this- this project? 2150.1661 1767 LES_int_01 2150.2232 [Yeah.] 2150.5525 1768 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2150.3900 [Really?] Like that used to happen here? 2152.3218 1769 LES_int_01 2152.5457 Yeah. 2152.9232 1770 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2153.8568 And I think that 2154.6427 1771 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2154.6427 (pause 1.28) 2155.9247 1772 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2155.9247 if you don't know where you come from, 2157.4349 1773 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2157.4349 (pause 1.79) 2159.2218 1774 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2159.2218 [You know,] you don't know where you're going. 2160.7106 1775 LES_int_01 2159.2218 [Right.] 2159.7491 1776 LES_int_01 2160.7106 Yeah, [totally. Totally] 2162.2282 1777 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2161.5974 [You know, so] it's like 2162.8970 1778 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2163.1764 and you could take that with you, well, I'm from the I- I'm 2165.1433 1779 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2165.1433 (pause 0.28) 2165.4198 1780 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2165.4198 proud when I say I'm from the Lower East [Side.] 2167.2023 1781 LES_int_01 2167.1365 [Yeah.] 2167.5272 1782 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2167.6150 When I was in high school, nobody even knew where the Lower East Side was. 2170.2476 1783 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2170.2476 (pause 0.50) 2170.7437 1784 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2170.7437 You know how you say, ohh yeah, I live in the Lower East Side. 2172.2084 1785 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2172.2084 (pause 0.24) 2172.4472 1786 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2172.4472 Where's that? 2173.0874 1787 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2173.0874 (pause 0.15) 2173.2366 1788 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2173.2366 That's what I used to get. I- and then I used to have to sing the song, Delancey [Street (singing).] 2176.9263 1789 LES_int_01 2176.4302 [] 2177.5541 1790 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2177.2468 [But I-] you know. 2178.0151 1791 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2178.5507 Slick Rick or whoever it was, but I can't [remember.] 2180.8805 1792 LES_int_01 2180.4283 [] 2181.5609 1793 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2181.1614 [So people knew] where I was talking about. Now everybody knows what Delancey Street is. Now, everybody knows what Ou- Orchard Street is. [Now people google] stores that are on 2188.6232 1794 LES_int_01 2186.6260 [Yeah.] 2187.0900 1795 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2188.9130 Stanton and, you know what I [mean, now it's like,] oh you live in the Lower East Side? 2192.3286 1796 LES_int_01 2190.2828 [I know.] 2190.9237 1797 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2192.6667 Then, when I take them to the projects, they're like, oh, you live on the Lower East Side. 2195.5540 1798 LES_int_01 2195.5540 [] 2196.9896 1799 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2196.3311 [Like, no, I don't live] over here. My grandmother lives over here. You [know, so] it's like that whole 2199.6967 1800 LES_int_01 2198.4367 [Yeah.] 2198.8055 1801 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2201.1543 It's like that whole thing of 2202.3792 1802 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2202.3792 (pause 0.47) 2202.8446 1803 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2202.8446 Now, the name is so hyped up that everybody wants to be out here. 2205.7538 1804 LES_int_01 2205.8284 Yeah. 2206.2236 1805 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2206.6319 [Like] why- why is it so hyped up? 2208.3880 1806 LES_int_01 2206.6319 [Yeah.] 2206.8514 1807 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2208.6470 Is it because of the people who are moving in now? Or is it j- 2211.2587 1808 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2211.2587 (pause 0.11) 2211.3729 1809 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2211.3729 or- or should it be hyped up because of the people who've been here? 2214.1070 1810 LES_int_01 2214.1992 Yeah. 2214.5811 1811 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2215.0494 The- the- the rich 2216.2216 1812 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2216.2216 (pause 0.35) 2216.5728 1813 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2216.5728 the rich histories that we have here. Like if you interview 2219.3255 1814 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2219.3255 (pause 0.44) 2219.7645 1815 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2219.7645 any of the elderly people you see walking down the street, [they're gonna] give you a whole nother side of it. 2224.0160 1816 LES_int_01 2222.0157 [Right.] 2222.3569 1817 LES_int_01 2224.1608 Completely. 2224.7326 1818 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2224.7930 You know, like my grandma, when she told me, oh, don't eat that, don't 2227.8437 1819 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2227.8437 (pause 0.65) 2228.4891 1820 LES_se0_ag2_f_02 2228.4891 I mean, that's [serious.] 2229.5246