Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 LES_int_01 0.2743 Um, okay. Well so we can get started officially. [So,] um, 4.2065 2 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2.9988 [Okay.] 3.4211 3 LES_int_01 4.3650 I'm /RD-NAME-4/ and I'm talking to /RD-NAME-3/, tell me your last name again? 8.4229 4 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 8.4229 My name is /RD-NAME-4/. 9.5905 5 LES_int_01 9.5905 /RD-NAME-1/. 9.9533 6 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 10.1561 Yes. 10.6597 7 LES_int_01 10.6877 Hi /RD-NAME-3/. 11.5737 8 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 11.6444 How you [doing?] 12.3290 9 LES_int_01 11.9747 [Um,] I'm good. 13.4187 10 LES_int_01 14.2408 So I normally ask people just sort of start at the beginning of their lives. So could you tell me when and where you were born? 20.5185 11 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 20.7531 Kay. I was born November eleventh, nineteen eighty-four 24.3808 12 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 24.3808 (pause 0.49) 24.8704 13 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 24.8704 at /RD-ADDRESS-5/ in Brooklyn, New York. 26.9158 14 LES_int_01 27.1956 [Okay.] 27.6411 15 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 27.5763 [Um,] so I'm originally a Brooklynite. 29.2922 16 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 29.7728 I lived in Brooklyn up until I was 32.5209 17 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 32.5209 (pause 0.69) 33.2075 18 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 33.2075 three or four years old, then I moved to this apartment on [/RD-ADDRESS-/, now I'm in the s-] 37.3915 19 LES_int_01 36.9532 [This] 37.6106 20 LES_int_01 37.8515 [same apartment?] 38.6861 21 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 37.9727 [Yeah, same] exact I- I been living here for going on twenty-one, twenty-two years now. 42.2253 22 LES_int_01 42.3092 That's [amazing.] 43.0573 23 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 42.9541 [Yeah,] 43.2852 24 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 43.5696 so. 43.9566 25 LES_int_01 44.0499 Um, can you tell me a little bit about your family and their history? Like, how did they end up in Brooklyn and then here? 49.3406 26 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 49.4059 Okay. Well my grandmother was from down south 51.7964 27 LES_int_01 51.8197 Okay. 52.1461 28 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 52.1554 and, you know, she wound up moving, I believe 54.7697 29 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 54.7697 (pause 0.12) 54.8909 30 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 54.8909 South Carolina and the migrated up to B- 56.5556 31 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 56.5556 (pause 0.41) 56.9706 32 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 56.9706 and up to New York, Brooklyn. 58.2683 33 LES_int_01 58.4361 [Mm-hm.] 58.7873 34 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 58.4493 [She,] you know, got married, had, 60.5039 35 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 61.0334 you know, my m- 61.6738 36 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 61.6738 (pause 0.31) 61.9846 37 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 61.9846 my mother and my other aunts and uncles. 64.7927 38 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 64.7927 (pause 0.43) 65.2221 39 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 65.2221 And so our- our family was, um, you know, that's where our family, 68.8062 40 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 68.8062 (pause 0.53) 69.3378 41 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 69.3378 you know, was 70.2051 42 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 70.2051 (pause 0.25) 70.4569 43 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 70.4569 was breeded at, I guess. And w- that's where we 72.4556 44 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 72.4556 (pause 0.44) 72.8986 45 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 72.8986 where- you know, that's where we established ourselves, /?/. 74.9866 46 LES_int_01 74.6269 [Where] in Brooklyn was [this?] 75.9652 47 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 75.5422 [ Um, well- well they-] 76.9195 48 LES_int_01 76.4235 [/inaudible/] 76.7922 49 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 77.5146 they moved around B- different parts of Brooklyn, [but w-] 80.1316 50 LES_int_01 79.5710 [Uh-huh.] 80.0107 51 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 80.2984 you know, 80.6901 52 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 80.6901 (pause 0.13) 80.8160 53 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 80.8160 since then I was born, we 82.2629 54 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 82.2629 (pause 0.47) 82.7338 55 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 82.7338 lived in Bedford-Stuyvesant. 83.9788 56 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 83.9788 (pause 0.14) 84.1187 57 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 84.1187 [And now] we're s- that's where the heard of our family's at, at the Bedford-Stuyvesant, [Brooklyn.] 87.5164 58 LES_int_01 84.1187 [Uh-huh.] 84.5077 59 LES_int_01 84.5077 (pause 2.58) 87.0874 60 LES_int_01 87.0874 [Do you- and you] still have family that [live there?] 88.7240 61 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 88.2717 [Yep,] 88.5943 62 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 88.7639 definitely. 89.4642 63 LES_int_01 89.7420 So why did, um, 91.4719 64 LES_int_01 91.4719 (pause 0.16) 91.6304 65 LES_int_01 91.6304 you guys decided to move [here?] 93.3277 66 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 93.1505 [] 93.3650 67 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 93.5702 Well, it was a- it was a pretty bad neighborhood, um, at the time. And, [you know, my mother-] 98.6852 68 LES_int_01 97.8552 [Nineteen eighty-four,] yeah. 99.3940 69 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 99.4266 yep. 99.7933 70 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 99.7933 (pause 0.69) 100.4875 71 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 100.4875 And my mother wanted to- 102.3689 72 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 102.3689 (pause 0.34) 102.7123 73 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 102.7123 my mother and my eldest brother, 104.1858 74 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 104.1858 (pause 0.39) 104.5775 75 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 104.5775 they, um, they wanted to, 106.1504 76 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 106.1504 (pause 0.55) 106.6958 77 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 106.6958 you know, move. I was- I was a kid. 108.4103 78 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 108.4103 (pause 0.53) 108.9414 79 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 108.9414 Um, I was like one or two years old. My sister was a- , you know, 111.7318 80 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 111.7318 (pause 0.18) 111.9150 81 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 111.9150 six months old. 112.9222 82 LES_int_01 112.9968 Oh, [wow.] 113.7662 83 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 113.5004 [And] it was like, you know, we wanted to kind of g- get a change of scenery, a better- 116.9416 84 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 117.3241 a better neighborhood [and] 118.6543 85 LES_int_01 118.2440 [Yeah.] 118.6097 86 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 119.0758 this /action-/ 119.9366 87 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 119.9366 (pause 0.13) 120.0656 88 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 120.0656 Lower East Side used to be, you know, b- was kind of like a abandoned area. They had 124.1782 89 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 124.1782 (pause 0.39) 124.5653 90 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 124.5653 whole bunch of abandoned buildings [and squatters] and it was a, you know, huge drug problem. 128.5178 91 LES_int_01 125.9112 [Right.] 126.3262 92 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 128.8969 But then NYCHA, they actually, you know, 130.8320 93 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 130.8320 (pause 0.34) 131.1724 94 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 131.1724 made this development Lower East Side too. 133.0469 95 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 133.0469 (pause 0.48) 133.5225 96 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 133.5225 [Um, and it] opened up in nineteen eighty-eight. 135.7821 97 LES_int_01 133.7074 [Yeah.] 134.1317 98 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 136.5144 And so, 137.1050 99 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 137.1050 (pause 0.42) 137.5247 100 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 137.5247 you know, we were one of the first families that moved into this [development.] 140.5339 101 LES_int_01 140.3534 [Oh,] you [were?] 141.1228 102 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 141.0235 [Yes] we were. 141.5984 103 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 141.9059 And so, um, 142.7842 104 LES_int_01 142.7982 I love these style- the- these NYCHA buildings, because they're so [small.] 147.6336 105 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 147.4554 [mm-hm.] 147.8714 106 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 148.0593 [Mm-hm.] 148.5412 107 LES_int_01 148.0593 [So it f-] 148.5023 108 LES_int_01 148.6842 It doesn't feel like a big- you know, living in like a big, huge tower. 152.2746 109 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 151.6404 [Yeah,] yeah. 152.7269 110 LES_int_01 153.1620 It just seems like it must be [nice.] 154.9105 111 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 154.7800 [And] everybody pretty much here knows each other for the most [part. I mean-] 157.8249 112 LES_int_01 157.2886 [Right.] 157.6617 113 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 158.2399 I mean, the great thing is we have a dead end block which has a school there, so it's like, you know, 162.3120 114 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 162.3120 (pause 0.75) 163.0627 115 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 163.0627 y- it's only- pretty much one way you come in and one way you can come out, which makes, 167.3913 116 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 167.3913 (pause 0.41) 167.7970 117 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 167.7970 you know, um, 168.5337 118 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 168.5337 (pause 0.39) 168.9254 119 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 168.9254 I mean, which makes the community pretty much more- that much more closer, cause we've- 172.3477 120 LES_int_01 172.3477 Cause you don't have 172.9586 121 LES_int_01 172.9586 (pause 0.18) 173.1404 122 LES_int_01 173.1404 people just [wandering through.] If someone turns [down here, they probably] live here. 177.0573 123 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 173.9098 [Exactly.] 174.6891 124 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 174.6891 (pause 0.85) 175.5418 125 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 175.5418 [Exactly.] 176.3019 126 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 176.3019 (pause 0.75) 177.0526 127 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 177.0526 Exactly. 177.7614 128 LES_int_01 177.7614 Or know someone [here, yeah.] 178.8440 129 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 178.2913 [Yeah.] 178.6783 130 LES_int_01 179.1166 I actually have a friend who lives right across the street. 181.0827 131 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 181.0827 Okay. 181.6376 132 LES_int_01 181.7402 [Yeah.] 182.1988 133 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 182.0573 [Okay.] 182.4723 134 LES_int_01 182.4940 So I've- I've been- I- it's- I've been down this block, 184.8721 135 LES_int_01 184.8721 (pause 0.25) 185.1192 136 LES_int_01 185.1192 believe it [or not.] 185.7487 137 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 185.5249 [Is a-] well do you- 186.6330 138 LES_int_01 186.6330 But it's very [quiet.] 187.6068 139 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 187.3651 [yes] it is. Yes it is. 188.8199 140 LES_int_01 188.9722 It's [great.] 189.4897 141 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 189.3125 [So] I mean, I- I- I had so many great times growing up here, man. Um, 192.8391 142 LES_int_01 193.0854 You did? 193.5266 143 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 193.5479 Yeah. I w- I was actually talking to one of my- one of my good friends, 197.1336 144 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 197.1336 (pause 0.58) 197.7133 145 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 197.7133 um, well actually a childhood friend who, 199.4712 146 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 199.4712 (pause 0.18) 199.6530 147 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 199.6530 you know, a couple weeks ago. 201.5555 148 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 201.5555 (pause 0.44) 201.9938 149 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 201.9938 And he just, you know, we was talking about like, just 203.9868 150 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 203.9868 (pause 0.16) 204.1426 151 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 204.1426 we used to play kickball in the backyard, and 207.0358 152 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 207.0358 (pause 0.44) 207.4788 153 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 207.4788 you know, play all 208.7586 154 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 208.7586 (pause 0.24) 208.9973 155 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 208.9973 m- different- make up games, and you know, play all different types of 212.7259 156 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 212.7259 (pause 0.61) 213.3368 157 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 213.3368 you know, espionage, you know, manhunt games we used to have [over there.] And it was like, wow. 217.4555 158 LES_int_01 216.0473 [Yeah.] 216.5882 159 LES_int_01 217.6887 What are some of the other games that you [remember playing?] 219.6548 160 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 219.0952 [Uh, we played,] um, 220.5128 161 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 220.6573 I was very competitive so 221.8995 162 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 221.8995 (pause 0.46) 222.3546 163 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 222.3546 any type of sport. We played basketball or whatever, then we- 225.2144 164 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 225.2144 (pause 0.35) 225.5693 165 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 225.5693 we would play a game called, um, 227.2738 166 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 227.2738 (pause 0.14) 227.4136 167 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 227.4136 manhunt, 228.0174 168 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 228.0174 (pause 0.44) 228.4535 169 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 228.4535 where- 228.9834 170 LES_int_01 229.0207 [Yeah.] 229.4590 171 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 229.3984 [you] played man- [did you play manhunt?] 230.6966 172 LES_int_01 229.9160 [I- I think so.] But tell me- maybe the rules are different, [tell me.] 232.5489 173 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 231.9894 [So manhunt,] what we would do, we used to, um, 234.4793 174 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 234.8990 you either do a team, 235.9309 175 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 235.9309 (pause 0.23) 236.1641 176 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 236.1641 two teams, [or you could] do it every man for themself. 238.3990 177 LES_int_01 236.6879 [Yeah.] 237.0470 178 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 238.7613 And [one person] would, um, 240.5986 179 LES_int_01 239.0597 [Oh.] 239.6193 180 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 240.9202 you know, w- one person would 242.3718 181 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 242.3718 (pause 0.30) 242.6702 182 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 242.6702 be the person that's it. And you have to like, 244.5773 183 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 244.5773 (pause 0.35) 244.9271 184 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 244.9271 you'll give like two- a minute or- a minute or so to just 247.8910 185 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 247.8910 (pause 0.56) 248.4553 186 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 248.4553 go hide anywhere you want, 250.1819 187 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 250.1819 (pause 0.29) 250.4757 188 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 250.4757 you know, on the block. 251.2544 189 LES_int_01 251.4456 So it was a block [thing?] 252.6569 190 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 252.3502 [Yeah,] the whole block. [The whole] block thing. 254.3692 191 LES_int_01 253.3714 [Okay.] 253.6935 192 LES_int_01 254.6910 [So where-] what- where would you hide? Would you go like, inside someone's [apartment?] 258.0030 193 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 254.7516 And- 255.1726 194 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 255.1726 (pause 2.61) 257.7839 195 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 257.7839 [] see that was- that was a restriction, you couldn't [hide in the] buildings, um, you couldn't [hide in the apartments.] 262.1607 196 LES_int_01 259.6381 [Okay.] 260.0547 197 LES_int_01 260.0547 (pause 1.17) 261.2235 198 LES_int_01 261.2235 [No building.] 261.8577 199 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 262.4855 So you pretty much had to find, you know, different areas around 265.4558 200 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 265.4558 (pause 0.48) 265.9407 201 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 265.9407 the, um, the block to hide [at.] 267.6767 202 LES_int_01 267.4482 [Like,] under a [car or?] 269.6211 203 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 268.7259 [Um, well] I would, you know, you'd be surprised- probably have- 271.7706 204 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 271.9773 but we have a big [backyard back there.] 273.7679 205 LES_int_01 273.1337 [You have the backyards, right. Okay.] 274.6725 206 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 274.1860 [And we don't have-] we have a back on our other side too, as well. 276.9666 207 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 277.2824 So we'll hide there, we'll hide in the school yard, 279.5873 208 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 279.5873 (pause 0.37) 279.9616 209 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 279.9616 you know. We'll just find different places to hide at. 282.6667 210 LES_int_01 282.7530 [Okay.] 283.1333 211 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 283.0608 [And,] you know, if you got caught 284.7534 212 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 285.0938 the f- oh no, if you got caught then you would have to join, 287.6241 213 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 287.6241 (pause 0.46) 288.0858 214 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 288.0858 um, 288.6547 215 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 288.6547 (pause 0.20) 288.8519 216 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 288.8519 that- that person after they find everybody else 291.2207 217 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 291.2207 (pause 0.38) 291.6030 218 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 291.6030 on, um, everybody else was hiding. 293.3749 219 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 293.3749 (pause 0.34) 293.7106 220 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 293.7106 And- 294.1402 221 LES_int_01 294.3042 So if you got caught, you had to join the- 296.8526 222 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 297.0414 [yeah.] 297.5683 223 LES_int_01 297.1066 [the team] of the [finders?] 299.0697 224 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 298.4402 [ Oh then-] exactly. 299.7878 225 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 300.2835 [But if it w-] but if it was a team though, that's the thing, if it was individual then I would have to- 304.2889 226 LES_int_01 300.3628 [/Got it./] 300.8990 227 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 304.5394 say if you're the o- one that was it. 305.8804 228 LES_int_01 305.9084 [Yeah.] 306.2534 229 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 306.2208 [And,] um, 307.1082 230 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 307.2419 we had a group of people. If you caught me, 309.1228 231 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 309.1228 (pause 0.44) 309.5641 232 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 309.5641 um, I would have to help you find everybody else. 311.8610 233 LES_int_01 312.3539 And I'd slowly try to find [everybody else? Okay.] 315.1190 234 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 314.0419 [Exactly.] 315.0185 235 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 315.3708 And if it was a team though, 316.7167 236 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 316.7167 (pause 0.37) 317.0898 237 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 317.0898 um, you would catch me and I would just be out for the rest- you know, there was like a- 320.8637 238 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 320.8637 (pause 0.36) 321.2241 239 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 321.2241 a prisoner's thing, where I would have to stay [there] 323.7015 240 LES_int_01 323.3705 [ You had to go to prison?] 325.3196 241 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 324.1224 [and, you know, until-] exactly. 326.1541 242 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 326.4480 But 326.9806 243 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 326.9806 (pause 0.21) 327.1881 244 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 327.1881 the catch is, on certain occasions 329.2891 245 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 329.2891 (pause 0.41) 329.6948 246 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 329.6948 if, um, 330.6460 247 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 330.6460 (pause 0.37) 331.0190 248 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 331.0190 if one person from 332.3899 249 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 332.3899 (pause 0.24) 332.6338 250 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 332.6338 like, say if I'm on the opposing team then I'm, you know, 335.2272 251 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 335.2272 (pause 0.34) 335.5711 252 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 335.5711 one of my teammates got caught, 337.2175 253 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 337.2175 (pause 0.56) 337.7770 254 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 337.7770 um, 338.3738 255 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 338.3738 (pause 0.71) 339.0856 256 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 339.0856 I can, you know if I can sneak- 340.9741 257 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 340.9741 (pause 0.58) 341.5540 258 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 341.5540 sneak to the base where, you know, where my- 343.4236 259 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 343.4236 (pause 0.21) 343.6287 260 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 343.6287 my- my teammates is at 344.9483 261 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 344.9483 (pause 0.42) 345.3726 262 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 345.3726 and tag them before, 346.9777 263 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 346.9777 (pause 0.19) 347.1662 264 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 347.1662 you know, the other team is able to notice me 348.9440 265 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 348.9440 (pause 0.35) 349.2909 266 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 349.2909 then they'll be set free, 350.3214 267 LES_int_01 351.0395 [Oh.] 352.3714 268 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 351.1048 [so.] 351.5834 269 LES_int_01 352.5999 So did they have- so one of the teams to leave, like, [guards?] 356.9115 270 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 356.7483 [Yes.] 357.4291 271 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 357.7242 [Exactly.] 358.7154 272 LES_int_01 358.4143 [This is complicated.] 359.6034 273 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 359.2910 [Yeah.] 359.9063 274 LES_int_01 360.0650 That sounds fun. 360.8064 275 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 360.8064 This is like, you know, espionage [one-on-one.] 363.2320 276 LES_int_01 362.9854 [] So you have 364.6920 277 LES_int_01 365.4288 backyards on both sides? [Y- you had] access to [both?] 368.2451 278 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 366.6271 [Yes.] 367.0756 279 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 367.0756 (pause 1.11) 368.1845 280 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 368.1845 [] Um, 368.8760 281 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 369.3423 not- a- well- 370.0138 282 LES_int_01 370.5547 Like how did you get- 371.4762 283 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 371.9769 well it's pretty much the same front door key. 374.3671 284 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 374.3671 (pause 0.27) 374.6378 285 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 374.6378 The one- [ we have a same front door key to get in, so.] 377.7015 286 LES_int_01 375.0278 [Oh, okay. That's nice.] 377.4479 287 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 378.1053 Um, but then i- if not, you knew friends from, you know, people from the other side so y- you know, you could always get in, [or-] 383.3991 288 LES_int_01 383.1660 [Use] it. 383.7069 289 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 383.7651 you'll climb the gate. You can do something to get to the other [side of the backyard,] 386.6102 290 LES_int_01 385.7989 [Right, right.] 386.7734 291 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 387.4573 so. 387.9748 292 LES_int_01 387.9982 I've seen the- the backyard. There's another, uh, 390.7729 293 LES_int_01 390.7729 (pause 1.16) 391.9304 294 LES_int_01 391.9304 uh, NYCHA, 393.0728 295 LES_int_01 393.0728 (pause 0.33) 393.3992 296 LES_int_01 393.3992 um, where is it? 395.1711 297 LES_int_01 395.1711 (pause 0.31) 395.4835 298 LES_int_01 395.4835 On Sixth Street, [between like], C and D [or something] that- it- same layout, [small buildings. I saw the backyards] are so [nice.] 403.0838 299 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 396.5108 [Mm-hm.] 396.8791 300 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 396.8791 (pause 0.94) 397.8164 301 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 397.8164 [Mm-hm.] 398.2454 302 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 398.2454 (pause 1.30) 399.5417 303 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 399.5417 [Yeah, e- exactly. It's right up the block.] 401.4908 304 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 401.4908 (pause 1.20) 402.6875 305 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 402.6875 [Yeah, and] they backyard is like, 404.2076 306 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 405.1229 two times as big as [ours.] 406.6990 307 LES_int_01 406.3120 [Oh, really?] 407.2072 308 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 407.0067 [Yeah.] 407.4684 309 LES_int_01 407.5057 I couldn't believe it. [I was like,] oh my [God. I didn't even know] that this [existed.] 412.1063 310 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 408.2564 [Yeah.] 408.7367 311 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 408.7367 (pause 0.58) 409.3149 312 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 409.3149 [Yeah, it's a huge backyard.] 410.7681 313 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 410.7681 (pause 0.67) 411.4349 314 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 411.4349 [Huge.] And they have a basketball court back there as well. 414.3069 315 LES_int_01 414.6833 They [do? Wow.] 415.9127 316 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 415.1060 [Yeah. Mm-hm.] 416.0101 317 LES_int_01 416.1551 And you mentioned you played basketball, where [did you] play? 418.1352 318 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 417.5337 [Yeah.] 417.8240 319 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 418.2472 Um, 418.8175 320 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 418.8175 (pause 0.14) 418.9559 321 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 418.9559 well I didn't- I played- 420.0144 322 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 420.0144 (pause 0.49) 420.5087 323 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 420.5087 played in a park on- Tompkins Square Park over there, 422.6830 324 LES_int_01 422.7576 Oh you did? 423.2649 325 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 423.2565 did over there. Um, I would play, um, 425.9890 326 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 426.2515 the crazy thing when we were young, 427.7390 327 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 427.7390 (pause 0.67) 428.4104 328 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 428.4104 you know, after a certain time when- 429.6601 329 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 429.6601 (pause 0.48) 430.1357 330 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 430.1357 you know, when- 430.6988 331 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 430.6988 (pause 0.26) 430.9610 332 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 430.9610 when it's- got dark, you know m- you- you know, our parents would never let us go off the block. 434.6461 333 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 434.6461 (pause 0.38) 435.0285 334 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 435.0285 So we used to have the garbage can there 436.8004 335 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 436.8004 (pause 0.34) 437.1408 336 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 437.1408 and we used to play basketball in the garbage can. 439.2421 337 LES_int_01 439.2537 [Oh.] 440.3388 338 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 439.8357 [And then at-] at one point we had, um, 441.9947 339 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 442.3350 a basketball court 443.5148 340 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 443.5148 (pause 0.47) 443.9810 341 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 443.9810 at the end of the block, you know, we would- had a- have a portable one, so we used to play all hours of the night. 448.4169 342 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 448.4169 (pause 0.40) 448.8179 343 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 448.8179 Until the neighbors start complaining, we had to take it away 451.0498 344 LES_int_01 451.0498 [] That's too [bad.] 452.5839 345 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 451.1990 [but.] 451.5430 346 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 451.5430 (pause 0.64) 452.1782 347 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 452.1782 [You know,] growing up in this area there was always, you know, 454.9883 348 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 455.4639 different- different, you know, 456.9794 349 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 456.9794 (pause 0.46) 457.4377 350 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 457.4377 m- you know, recreation- 458.1139 351 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 458.1139 (pause 0.28) 458.3923 352 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 458.3923 parks and recreations that you can go to, so. 460.4272 353 LES_int_01 460.5246 Yeah. So it sounds like you played 462.3299 354 LES_int_01 462.3299 (pause 0.30) 462.6336 355 LES_int_01 462.6336 on the [block.] 463.7891 356 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 463.6968 [Mm-hm.] 464.0511 357 LES_int_01 464.0884 And this is actually a nice block [because it's] not 466.5439 358 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 465.5433 [ Yeah.] 465.9627 359 LES_int_01 466.9748 a through [street.] 467.8323 360 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 467.7036 [Mm-hm.] 468.1041 361 LES_int_01 468.0487 [So] you probably could play actually on, 469.5827 362 LES_int_01 470.0957 like [out on] the street [and] things like [that.] 471.7930 363 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 470.2495 [] 470.4267 364 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 470.4267 (pause 0.38) 470.8091 365 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 470.8091 [Yeah.] 471.0863 366 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 471.0863 (pause 0.54) 471.6298 367 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 471.6298 [Well] yeah, for the most part. I mean, there's, 473.6688 368 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 474.1741 um, we still got a a lot of traffic coming in, you know, um, 476.8723 369 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 476.8723 (pause 0.22) 477.0961 370 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 477.0961 a lot of people didn't know it was a dead end block, or- 479.0746 371 LES_int_01 479.0979 [Oh.] 479.8020 372 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 479.5222 [or whatever] the case is. So it's, 480.7952 373 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 481.1589 [I mean, for the] most part it still wasn't- it wasn't as bad as some of the main streets. 484.7228 374 LES_int_01 481.1589 [Right.] 481.5909 375 LES_int_01 484.9342 [Yeah.] 485.3306 376 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 485.1394 [In regards] to the through traffic that they [got.] 486.7884 377 LES_int_01 486.6159 [But] then you would also play at- in other places. Like go to the park, go to [Tompkins Square /other/ things like that?] 491.2311 378 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 490.1114 [Mm-hm. Go to-] yep. 491.4590 379 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 492.3387 And then- then- [when you-] 493.1920 380 LES_int_01 492.8826 [That's cool.] 493.5261 381 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 493.4394 [when] you're in school you have, um, you know, you meet f- 495.6536 382 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 496.1933 you- y- you make friendships with people from different parts of the neighborhood, so. 499.9313 383 LES_int_01 500.1504 [Right.] 500.4770 384 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 500.2903 [I mean,] you will go, you know, sometimes you go to their area and 503.1098 385 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 503.4921 hang out and play sports or whatever the [case was.] 506.1980 386 LES_int_01 505.7224 [Yeah.] 506.0721 387 LES_int_01 506.5384 So you d- um, you mentioned, I think, two siblings? 510.0479 388 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 510.1692 I have three. [I have-] I have, um, 512.2459 389 LES_int_01 511.0069 [You have three.] 511.3973 390 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 512.7741 two older brothers and I have a younger sister. 514.5770 391 LES_int_01 514.6983 Wow, that's [great. D-] Do they all still live in the neighborhood [or?] 517.8781 392 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 515.2702 [So I'm-] 515.6665 393 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 515.6665 (pause 1.99) 517.6529 394 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 517.6529 [Um,] no actually my- 519.1994 395 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 519.3066 my eldest brother just came back, he just moved back with us. 522.3701 396 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 522.3701 (pause 0.40) 522.7742 397 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 522.7742 Um, 523.3524 398 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 523.3524 (pause 0.12) 523.4690 399 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 523.4690 my [eldest-] 523.8979 400 LES_int_01 523.5928 [Where was] he before that? 524.7770 401 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 524.9611 He was, um, he was upstate. 526.5898 402 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 526.5898 (pause 0.34) 526.9256 403 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 526.9256 [He was upstate,] 527.5830 404 LES_int_01 526.9955 [Oh, okay.] 527.4758 405 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 527.7369 so, um. 528.3664 406 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 528.3664 (pause 0.72) 529.0845 407 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 529.0845 And I have, um, another brother who's married, and he's- 532.2723 408 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 532.2723 (pause 0.18) 532.4541 409 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 532.4541 you know, his wife and his daughter lives out in Brooklyn. 534.6907 410 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 534.6907 (pause 0.56) 535.2503 411 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 535.2503 [And,] um, 536.1631 412 LES_int_01 535.3855 [Huh.] 535.6326 413 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 536.4081 you know, then there's me and my sister here. 537.8442 414 LES_int_01 537.8442 Cool. 538.2298 415 LES_int_01 538.2298 (pause 0.21) 538.4411 416 LES_int_01 538.4411 And, um, did you know your father? 539.7762 417 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 539.9146 Yeah, I knew my father. My father actually passed away three years ago to lung [cancer.] 543.7108 418 LES_int_01 543.6026 [Oh,] I'm [sorry.] 544.7297 419 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 544.3474 [so.] Thank you. 545.1074 420 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 545.2473 Thank you. So, um, 546.1486 421 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 546.1486 (pause 0.55) 546.7035 422 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 546.7035 I knew that- 547.2584 423 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 547.2584 (pause 0.16) 547.4170 424 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 547.4170 he was actually, um, yeah. He was [my father.] 549.4034 425 LES_int_01 548.8252 [That's- that's] a shame. 550.5318 426 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 550.5458 Yeah. 550.8675 427 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 550.8675 (pause 0.37) 551.2373 428 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 551.2373 But it's- 551.8761 429 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 551.8761 (pause 0.59) 552.4636 430 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 552.4636 it's something that, um- 553.6946 431 LES_int_01 553.8299 And did he live with you guys before [that?] 555.5457 432 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 555.4013 [yes] he did. 555.9608 433 LES_int_01 556.0695 [Aw.] 556.9779 434 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 556.5357 [Yes he did,] and my mother was married. 558.1165 435 LES_int_01 558.2657 [Oh.] 559.2869 436 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 558.7273 [so.] 559.1749 437 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 559.7748 It's, um, 560.3810 438 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 560.3810 (pause 0.57) 560.9499 439 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 560.9499 but, you know, it- it's- it's something that I- I've made peace with it, you know, a while ago, [so.] 565.5086 440 LES_int_01 565.4130 [Yeah.] 566.1474 441 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 566.1940 Yeah. 566.5064 442 LES_int_01 566.7550 Sorry to hear [that.] 567.5150 443 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 567.4078 [Thank] you. 568.0186 444 LES_int_01 568.5269 Um, and- and so as you were growing up, I'm just curious, what your parents, you know, did for a [living.] Were they both working? 574.3149 445 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 573.0047 [] 573.3588 446 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 574.3429 Yes. My mother used to actually work in the World Trade Center. 577.3682 447 LES_int_01 577.5671 Oh, [wow.] 578.4407 448 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 577.9147 [She- yeah.] She worked in the World Trade Center in the, um, 580.5336 449 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 581.1132 in the l- 581.5236 450 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 581.5236 (pause 0.16) 581.6821 451 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 581.6821 in the eighties and early nineties. And I want- I used to be sick, 584.5218 452 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 584.5218 (pause 0.35) 584.8715 453 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 584.8715 used to be very sick. 585.9097 454 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 585.9097 (pause 0.22) 586.1289 455 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 586.1289 And so she had to quit her job 587.7678 456 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 587.7678 (pause 0.14) 587.9099 457 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 587.9099 for us to go on welfare. 589.2017 458 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 589.2017 (pause 0.40) 589.6058 459 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 589.6058 [Um, so she] would be able to take care of me. [And my father-] 592.1088 460 LES_int_01 589.6711 [Oh no.] 590.2446 461 LES_int_01 590.2446 (pause 1.23) 591.4742 462 LES_int_01 591.4742 [/inaudible/] 591.7381 463 LES_int_01 592.3676 Can I ask what you were- 593.4448 464 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 593.6025 I had asthma. I had asthma and I had immune deficiency, 596.3591 465 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 596.3591 (pause 0.39) 596.7508 466 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 596.7508 um, and- [what else?] 598.9500 467 LES_int_01 598.4651 [When you- when] you were like, a little kid? 600.0469 468 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 600.0414 Yeah. When [I was like- yeah.] 601.6474 469 LES_int_01 600.7513 [Oh, I'm sorry.] 602.2715 470 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 602.1222 [Yeah,] it's- 602.7517 471 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 603.2693 it's all- I'm- I'm- I'm a lot better now, though. 605.3396 472 LES_int_01 605.3396 How does asthma work? Is that like a genetic- [something] that's genetic, [or?] 609.1417 473 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 608.1574 [] 608.2926 474 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 608.2926 (pause 0.62) 608.9175 475 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 608.9175 [Well] it's- it's a- 609.9174 476 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 610.0625 yeah that's- 610.6008 477 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 610.6008 (pause 0.21) 610.8106 478 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 610.8106 my brother- my- my second eldest brother had asthma. 613.4062 479 LES_int_01 613.4062 Huh. 613.8592 480 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 613.8786 And, um, I believe it's- I'm- 615.5838 481 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 615.5838 (pause 1.15) 616.7323 482 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 616.7323 I'm not- I'm not specfic- um, I'm not sure in regards to how specific it is when it comes down to 621.9065 483 LES_int_01 621.9065 Or [like, combination or both or something.] Yeah. 624.8984 484 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 622.2965 [can it be passed down. But, you know,] 624.2922 485 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 624.9031 but, um, I had it. And my mother actually has asthma now. 628.3178 486 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 628.3178 (pause 0.49) 628.8073 487 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 628.8073 And that's something that she developed- 630.2155 488 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 630.2155 (pause 0.49) 630.7019 489 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 630.7019 she- 631.1029 490 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 631.1029 (pause 0.29) 631.3921 491 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 631.3921 she developed, um, a couple of years ago. 633.7374 492 LES_int_01 634.1617 I wonder if it's too, like, if you're exposed to something? [Like,] 637.1159 493 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 636.9579 [] 637.1538 494 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 637.5127 [Possibly. I-] 638.2635 495 LES_int_01 637.9604 [I don't know,] asbestos or in a school or something like [that?] 641.2939 496 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 641.0922 [I-] you know what, I don't think- 642.3508 497 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 642.4878 cause I- when I got it, I was about three or four [years old and I wasn't really exposed] to, 646.8383 498 LES_int_01 644.9872 [ Oh.] 646.1395 499 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 647.2487 um, well at least from my knowledge, [that I wasn't really] exposed [to-] 650.7239 500 LES_int_01 649.3204 [Yeah.] 650.0809 501 LES_int_01 650.0809 (pause 0.55) 650.6353 502 LES_int_01 650.6353 [So] they don't know- 651.5959 503 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 651.7218 um, I think [it- it] could've been some- 653.7753 504 LES_int_01 652.7490 [/inaudible/.] 653.0727 505 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 653.9288 I'm not even sure. 654.9639 506 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 654.9639 (pause 0.56) 655.5235 507 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 655.5235 But, um, one, I wound up having asthma. 657.1089 508 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 657.1089 (pause 0.15) 657.2581 509 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 657.2581 [And I had, um,] 658.2464 510 LES_int_01 657.3331 [/Oh./] 658.0619 511 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 658.4968 an immune deficiency, and a- 660.0449 512 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 660.0449 (pause 0.43) 660.4785 513 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 660.4785 and so, um, [me-] 661.5524 514 LES_int_01 661.2027 [So what] was your mom doing in the World Trade [Center?] 663.4997 515 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 663.4082 [] she used to be a computer operator, 665.0641 516 LES_int_01 665.2578 [Oh. And so then-] then she came home to stay with [you?] 668.4505 517 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 665.7660 [so.] 666.3069 518 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 666.3069 (pause 1.98) 668.2840 519 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 668.2840 [Mm-hm.] And my father was a- a- 670.7521 520 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 671.2743 a master locksmith, 672.5146 521 LES_int_01 672.9856 [Wow.] 673.4845 522 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 673.2349 [so.] 673.5964 523 LES_int_01 673.7783 In the neighborhood? 674.4358 524 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 674.7636 Um, no actually in Brooklyn. 676.2743 525 LES_int_01 676.4096 Oh, [okay.] 676.9878 526 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 676.8945 [In] Brooklyn. 677.5722 527 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 678.0462 So, [um, yeah that's what they did and-] 679.8025 528 LES_int_01 678.2078 [Oh. S- well] that must've been hard, playing all these games if you had asthma. 683.2188 529 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 683.2638 Well that's- that's the thing, it- it was i- 685.4595 530 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 685.4595 (pause 0.16) 685.6186 531 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 685.6186 it was pretty difficult at times, but you know, 687.5863 532 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 687.5863 (pause 0.53) 688.1193 533 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 688.1193 I, you know, I always wanted- always wanted to feel like I was 690.9031 534 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 690.9031 (pause 0.24) 691.1409 535 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 691.1409 at- just like everybody else. [You know,] and sometimes of course my medical conditions 695.2130 536 LES_int_01 692.7137 [Yeah.] 693.0494 537 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 695.5580 limited me from- from being able to enjoy 698.0963 538 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 698.0963 (pause 0.43) 698.5283 539 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 698.5283 some of the activities a lot of, you know- 700.3263 540 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 700.3263 (pause 0.27) 700.5970 541 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 700.5970 [you know, a lot] of my friends 701.8552 542 LES_int_01 700.6763 [Yeah.] 701.0289 543 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 702.3237 and you know, were able to do. And- 704.1749 544 LES_int_01 704.7991 But were you able to, you know, [you had your-] 706.9819 545 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 706.3291 [] 706.6648 546 LES_int_01 707.3503 your medication and things like that. You were still able to run [around and play and things like that.] 711.8188 547 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 710.0795 [ Yeah. I- I- that was- I] was definitely an- that was a necessity, always had that. 714.2605 548 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 714.6382 You know, I have my pump with me, [you know, everywhere] I went because 717.3550 549 LES_int_01 716.0121 [Yeah.] 716.3909 550 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 717.7654 it was, um, I mean there was no telling when I was able to catch a asthma attack. And then- 721.5857 551 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 721.5857 (pause 0.41) 721.9960 552 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 721.9960 and I used to be in and out of the hospital a lot, so 724.3228 553 LES_int_01 724.4428 [Wow.] 724.9507 554 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 724.5870 [it was something] that I definitely had to- 726.2749 555 LES_int_01 726.5188 I'm so sorry. 727.3768 556 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 727.3815 yeah. 727.7196 557 LES_int_01 727.7498 How often did it happen that you would have an asthma [attack?] 730.1046 558 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 729.8295 [] Um, it would- 731.4149 559 LES_int_01 731.8003 Like everyday? 732.6209 560 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 732.8727 Not every- not necessarily every day, [but] um, 735.3674 561 LES_int_01 734.6990 [Oh.] 734.9414 562 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 735.7481 it would- it would definitely be- 737.3895 563 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 737.3895 (pause 0.80) 738.1929 564 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 738.1929 it was real consistent enough where I missed a lot of school. 741.2517 565 LES_int_01 741.6761 [You did?] 742.1594 566 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 741.8206 [And,] yeah I missed a lot of school. And actually the doctors so- 744.3136 567 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 744.8126 once told my mother that I wouldn't- 746.2609 568 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 746.2609 (pause 0.42) 746.6777 569 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 746.6777 I wouldn't live to see past the age of twelve. 749.3183 570 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 749.3183 (pause 0.57) 749.8919 571 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 749.8919 Yeah. 750.3675 572 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 750.3675 (pause 0.40) 750.7638 573 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 750.7638 [Mm-hm.] 751.2395 574 LES_int_01 750.8881 [Oh my gosh.] 752.2637 575 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 751.9093 [Yep.] 752.2450 576 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 753.2942 Yep. 753.6329 577 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 753.6329 (pause 0.18) 753.8101 578 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 753.8101 But, um- 754.4588 579 LES_int_01 754.6168 And look at you [now.] 755.8910 580 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 755.4598 [I'm] gonna be twenty-five in November, 757.5994 581 LES_int_01 757.6181 [Yeah.] 758.5833 582 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 757.8652 [so.] 758.3455 583 LES_int_01 758.7775 Well [that's terrific.] 759.8189 584 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 758.9267 [It's definitely a blessing,] yes. 760.5870 585 LES_int_01 760.6707 What- I mean, 761.4587 586 LES_int_01 761.4587 (pause 0.84) 762.3027 587 LES_int_01 762.3027 why would they say that? 763.2507 588 LES_int_01 763.2507 (pause 0.13) 763.3766 589 LES_int_01 763.3766 [A- n-] asthma's not normally a- like a m- um, [disease where you would pass] away, right? 767.7231 590 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 763.5164 [] 763.6330 591 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 763.6330 (pause 2.72) 766.3561 592 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 766.3561 [Y- yeah.] 767.1582 593 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 767.8127 Well it's not- it wasn't just necessarily the a- 770.0972 594 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 770.0972 (pause 0.27) 770.3700 595 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 770.3700 asthma was a, uh, a major part of it, but it was the f- simple fact that, you know, 774.0747 596 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 774.0747 (pause 0.30) 774.3752 597 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 774.3752 immune deficiency you have a- a very, very low, um, 777.3354 598 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 777.3354 (pause 0.39) 777.7302 599 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 777.7302 immune system, where I wasn't able to fight off 780.4859 600 LES_int_01 780.6212 [So you would get sick?] 781.7496 601 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 780.7377 [a lot of-] 781.3206 602 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 781.3206 (pause 0.31) 781.6283 603 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 781.6283 [yeah.] 781.9883 604 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 782.2299 And so the asthma would be the gateway. Where, you know, 784.9637 605 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 784.9637 (pause 0.28) 785.2388 606 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 785.2388 I'll get the respiratory, you know, 786.7543 607 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 786.7543 (pause 0.75) 787.5050 608 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 787.5050 respiratory- my respiratory- my breathing would be heavy and I'll, you know, I'll get sick from that. 791.2600 609 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 791.2600 (pause 0.36) 791.6237 610 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 791.6237 But then I'll be exposed to so many other different types of, 794.1642 611 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 794.1642 (pause 0.45) 794.6157 612 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 794.6157 um, germs and all that because my 796.5958 613 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 796.5958 (pause 0.15) 796.7450 614 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 796.7450 immune system was having a hard time fighting off just the asthma. So 799.7696 615 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 799.7696 (pause 0.37) 800.1364 616 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 800.1364 I was always, um, acceptable of getting, 802.5611 617 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 802.5611 (pause 0.45) 803.0134 618 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 803.0134 you know- 803.6382 619 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 803.6382 (pause 0.22) 803.8541 620 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 803.8541 you know, catching a cold or [some type of pneumonia. And a lot of the- and] a lot of the times I would, you know, have asthma. 809.3004 621 LES_int_01 804.9499 [Just] 805.6959 622 LES_int_01 805.6959 (pause 0.50) 806.1949 623 LES_int_01 806.1949 [anything.] 806.9725 624 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 809.6314 My asthma will bother me, then I'll wind up catching pneumonia or some other sickness and 813.6354 625 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 813.6354 (pause 0.47) 814.1017 626 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 814.1017 evolve with that, [so.] 815.1537 627 LES_int_01 814.9611 [Oh, man.] 816.3675 628 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 816.1343 [ Yeah.] 816.7125 629 LES_int_01 817.1660 Wow. 818.0135 630 LES_int_01 818.0135 (pause 0.61) 818.6243 631 LES_int_01 818.6243 Um, 819.5599 632 LES_int_01 819.5599 (pause 0.48) 820.0402 633 LES_int_01 820.0402 I'm sorry to hear that. 821.2549 634 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 821.2976 It's- you [know what-] 822.1698 635 LES_int_01 821.8012 [It sounds] like you d- d- d- still did [okay.] 823.8295 636 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 823.2420 [a- I-] I still- you know, in this, um, 825.4723 637 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 825.5889 I mean everybody has their- 827.1416 638 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 827.1416 (pause 0.59) 827.7338 639 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 827.7338 everybody- 828.5684 640 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 828.5684 (pause 0.24) 828.8063 641 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 828.8063 everybody has that- their course that they have to go through. 831.5623 642 LES_int_01 831.6567 [Yeah.] 831.9878 643 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 831.6660 [You know, and] that's just- it's a part of- 833.1255 644 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 833.5358 that's just w- what my life was at the [time and] 836.0585 645 LES_int_01 835.6528 [Yeah.] 836.2565 646 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 836.4828 I'm definitely 837.3564 647 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 837.3564 (pause 0.35) 837.7059 648 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 837.7059 a lot more, um, 838.6884 649 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 838.6884 (pause 0.23) 838.9182 650 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 838.9182 of course I'm a lot more stronger now. 840.6015 651 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 840.6015 (pause 0.36) 840.9606 652 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 840.9606 I'm a lot more appreciative of- of just 842.8381 653 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 842.8381 (pause 0.15) 842.9920 654 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 842.9920 some of the simplest things, [cause] 844.4359 655 LES_int_01 844.1095 [I'm sure.] 844.8648 656 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 844.8648 I mean, nobody thinks, 845.9746 657 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 846.1565 you know, no seven year old- eight year old, you know, thinks about 848.6308 658 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 848.6308 (pause 0.43) 849.0598 659 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 849.0598 have them not- you know- 850.0188 660 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 850.0188 (pause 0.15) 850.1726 661 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 850.1726 you know, them dying or not being able to be- you know, grow up and everything like [that. And I-] 853.9496 662 LES_int_01 853.4817 [Yeah.] 854.2821 663 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 854.3122 and I was- you know I was- at certain times that was a reality to me, so. 857.6767 664 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 857.6767 (pause 0.42) 858.0993 665 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 858.0993 And be able to come from that and to be where I am now 860.5007 666 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 860.5007 (pause 0.13) 860.6313 667 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 860.6313 is, [you know.] 861.5452 668 LES_int_01 861.2048 [That's heavy.] 861.9443 669 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 862.0955 Yeah. 862.4118 670 LES_int_01 863.1227 [Yeah.] 863.6310 671 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 863.3139 [So.] 863.7102 672 LES_int_01 864.0180 But it sounds like you dealt with it really [positively.] 866.2639 673 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 865.6577 [Yeah.] 866.0447 674 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 866.0447 (pause 0.11) 866.1566 675 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 866.1566 [Well] I- I grew- and the great thing is that I grew up in the church as well. 869.6958 676 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 870.0562 Um, and I had uh, you know, all of my church fam- 872.4017 677 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 872.4017 (pause 0.22) 872.6208 678 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 872.6208 s- family always pray for me and my mother and my parents. 875.3927 679 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 875.3927 (pause 0.41) 875.8070 680 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 875.8070 You know, they always pray so you know I- I always had that type of support, so even- 879.6492 681 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 879.6492 (pause 0.37) 880.0222 682 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 880.0222 even though, like, you know, 881.3558 683 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 881.3558 (pause 0.42) 881.7802 684 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 881.7802 physically, you know, I was- I was ill, mentally and spiritually I always had to 885.7683 685 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 885.7683 (pause 0.39) 886.1554 686 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 886.1554 keep my spirits up. 887.2325 687 LES_int_01 887.7375 That's [great.] 888.4394 688 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 888.3064 [Yeah.] 888.6188 689 LES_int_01 889.4488 Um, 890.1342 690 LES_int_01 890.1342 (pause 0.16) 890.2974 691 LES_int_01 890.2974 what else do you remember about 891.6497 692 LES_int_01 891.6497 (pause 0.17) 891.8206 693 LES_int_01 891.8206 the block or the neighborhood at the time that you were growing up? [W- what] like- what was it [like?] 896.0326 694 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 894.6244 [Mm-hm.] 895.0440 695 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 895.0440 (pause 0.50) 895.5476 696 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 895.5476 [ 895.6922 697 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 896.1445 Uh, 896.5968 698 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 896.5968 (pause 0.31) 896.9045 699 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 896.9045 growing- it was just so- it was so different. [Like, um,] 900.0287 700 LES_int_01 899.3013 [Yeah. What do you remember] about it? 900.7887 701 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 900.8062 I just r- summertimes were like 902.5963 702 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 902.5963 (pause 0.82) 903.4123 703 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 903.4123 amazing cause you had a whole bunch of, 905.3162 704 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 905.3162 (pause 0.50) 905.8151 705 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 905.8151 um, 906.4522 706 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 906.4522 (pause 0.25) 906.7011 707 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 906.7011 first you had a whole bunch of mom-and-pop stores here. 908.8787 708 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 908.8787 (pause 0.42) 909.2951 709 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 909.2951 You know, where it was a lot of, you know, 910.9038 710 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 910.9038 (pause 0.50) 911.4027 711 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 911.4027 y- you know, 912.0398 712 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 912.0398 (pause 0.38) 912.4168 713 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 912.4168 people from the community that were doing well, you [know, that] 915.1189 714 LES_int_01 914.7304 [Yeah.] 915.1245 715 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 915.4811 had their own businesses running. 917.2204 716 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 917.2204 (pause 0.37) 917.5887 717 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 917.5887 And 918.1700 718 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 918.1700 (pause 1.18) 919.3543 719 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 919.3543 you know, it was just something that I was- 920.9318 720 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 920.9318 (pause 0.71) 921.6452 721 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 921.6452 as a kid like, y- you know, 923.1850 722 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 923.1850 (pause 0.67) 923.8555 723 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 923.8555 923.9907 724 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 923.9907 (pause 0.37) 924.3590 725 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 924.3590 as a kid it wasn't like, oh wow I wanna be a business owner, but you know, 927.2018 726 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 927.2018 (pause 0.26) 927.4640 727 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 927.4640 just to see somebody who- 928.7887 728 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 928.7887 (pause 0.16) 928.9471 729 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 928.9471 who- you know, who looks like you or 930.6724 730 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 930.6724 (pause 0.31) 930.9801 731 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 930.9801 see like, one of your friend's, you know, parents, [or you know,] 933.7732 732 LES_int_01 933.1950 [Right.] 933.6380 733 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 934.1463 relatives running a- you know, running a business. It's like, oh wow. Like, 937.1179 734 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 937.1179 (pause 0.49) 937.6122 735 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 937.6122 I can't believe you doing it, you [know.] 939.2173 736 LES_int_01 939.0794 [Yeah.] 939.7135 737 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 939.7135 And, [um-] 940.3290 738 LES_int_01 940.0260 [W-] what were the stores? Like, [what-] 941.7093 739 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 941.3968 [ Um,] 942.0636 740 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 942.2625 942.3651 741 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 942.3651 (pause 0.26) 942.6262 742 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 942.6262 Well I remember 943.4767 743 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 943.4767 (pause 0.20) 943.6754 744 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 943.6754 we used to have a candy store. You know, I- every kid loves a candy- [we used to have a candy store] like, 947.9653 745 LES_int_01 946.5631 [That's right.] 947.4631 746 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 948.3723 right- 948.7220 747 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 948.7220 (pause 0.24) 948.9645 748 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 948.9645 right on Fourth Street- right next to the Fourth Street and Avenue C. 952.7771 749 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 952.7771 (pause 0.36) 953.1346 750 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 953.1346 Right next to the grocery store that we have [now.] 955.0417 751 LES_int_01 954.7433 [Y-] 954.9073 752 LES_int_01 955.0697 yeah. 955.5631 753 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 955.6586 And, 956.1898 754 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 956.1898 (pause 0.49) 956.6751 755 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 956.6751 you [know-] 957.2891 756 LES_int_01 956.8616 [Just to-] just candy. 958.2885 757 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 958.3164 just- just candy. 959.6221 758 LES_int_01 959.6454 That's awesome. [] 961.2261 759 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 960.3961 [ And, um,] 961.2587 760 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 961.5164 you know, I used to have a field day there. 964.3890 761 LES_int_01 964.7293 [Yeah.] 965.4101 762 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 964.9625 [And, um,] me and y- 966.3987 763 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 966.6132 just that and then we used to- there used to be a game- there used to be like, different game rooms. 970.7179 764 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 970.7179 (pause 0.47) 971.1889 765 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 971.1889 [And-] 971.6505 766 LES_int_01 971.5759 [Huh.] 971.9037 767 LES_int_01 972.0156 Like video [games?] 972.8109 768 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 972.5705 [ video] games. 973.6336 769 LES_int_01 973.6336 That's [cool.] 974.3144 770 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 974.1093 [So] we used to have one- there used to be on Third Street, then there was another one that was down, 977.5505 771 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 977.8473 I believe on Eighth Street 978.9431 772 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 978.9431 (pause 0.11) 979.0503 773 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 979.0503 and Avenue 980.2114 774 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 980.2114 (pause 0.17) 980.3839 775 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 980.3839 C. 980.8599 776 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 980.8599 (pause 0.43) 981.2946 777 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 981.2946 Eighth or Ninth Street or whatever. 982.5722 778 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 982.5722 (pause 0.34) 982.9126 779 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 982.9126 And, you know, we would sm- 984.2369 780 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 984.2369 (pause 0.28) 984.5166 781 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 984.5166 sometime- you know, when I was old enough or 986.5357 782 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 986.5357 (pause 0.33) 986.8681 783 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 986.8681 you know, when my m- 987.4324 784 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 987.4324 (pause 0.15) 987.5816 785 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 987.5816 my mother used to l- you know, make my brother take me somewhere, we would go down to the game room and, 991.8108 786 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 991.8108 (pause 0.41) 992.2226 787 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 992.2226 you know, just 992.6422 788 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 992.6422 (pause 0.18) 992.8241 789 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 992.8241 play video games. And- and it was just like- it was just- 995.7197 790 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 995.7197 (pause 0.71) 996.4285 791 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 996.4285 it was something that you would see like, um, 998.4769 792 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 998.4769 (pause 0.49) 998.9665 793 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 998.9665 I always felt like I was in kind of like some type of sitcom where like, wow. 1002.6456 794 LES_int_01 1002.7542 [Yeah.] 1003.2531 795 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1003.1412 [Like,] you know, cause this is- 1004.0458 796 LES_int_01 1004.4282 Yeah. 1004.8012 797 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1004.8339 this is, um, and it's- plus it was completely different from what, 1007.8694 798 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1007.8694 (pause 0.43) 1008.3031 799 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1008.3031 you know, life was like, you know, in Brooklyn because even though I- I- I moved there from a early age, I- 1013.2126 800 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1013.2126 (pause 0.34) 1013.5549 801 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1013.5549 you know, I still have family there so I was always there, [so.] 1015.9640 802 LES_int_01 1015.7728 [You'd] go back to [visit.] 1017.0472 803 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1016.6354 [N-] 1016.7520 804 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1016.7520 (pause 0.16) 1016.9152 805 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1016.9152 [ exactly.] And- and the community, um, 1018.9916 806 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1019.7190 I guess, um, 1020.7276 807 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1020.7276 (pause 0.64) 1021.3697 808 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1021.3697 the community was different. Not- n- not simply b- just because the people, 1024.7797 809 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1024.7797 (pause 0.44) 1025.2227 810 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1025.2227 um, you know, the people were different, but 1027.1452 811 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1027.1452 (pause 0.51) 1027.6520 812 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1027.6520 there was, um, a different level of success- like, you know, 1030.5864 813 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1030.5864 (pause 0.33) 1030.9175 814 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1030.9175 people were prosper- uh, um, 1032.3909 815 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1032.3909 (pause 0.35) 1032.7360 816 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1032.7360 being prosperous over there. Because not only that they had 1034.9361 817 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1034.9361 (pause 0.44) 1035.3736 818 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1035.3736 their, um, you know, they had their families, they had their homes, 1038.6950 819 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1038.6950 (pause 0.28) 1038.9794 820 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1038.9794 had they children in school, they had their own business where, you know, 1041.8311 821 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1041.8311 (pause 0.46) 1042.2915 822 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1042.2915 where it just let you know like, wow. Like, this is, you know, this is my community that I'm living in. 1046.6746 823 LES_int_01 1046.8719 [Yeah.] 1047.2309 824 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1047.1796 [And,] um, 1048.0889 825 LES_int_01 1048.1495 And it was different in [Bed-Stuy?] 1049.4400 826 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1049.2716 [ It] was- 1049.7612 827 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1049.8918 it was different in Bed-Stuy because you didn't have, 1051.7989 828 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1051.7989 (pause 0.46) 1052.2559 829 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1052.2559 um, 1052.7304 830 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1052.7304 (pause 0.77) 1053.5009 831 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1053.5009 I mean, the neighborhood where my grand- 1054.9184 832 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1054.9184 (pause 0.14) 1055.0597 833 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1055.0597 you know, where my family was at, 1056.4026 834 LES_int_01 1056.4166 Yeah. 1056.7756 835 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1056.7954 you know, you- you definitely didn't have a lot of, you know, black-owned businesses. 1060.5561 836 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1060.5561 (pause 0.37) 1060.9224 837 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1060.9224 And it's not- 1061.4912 838 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1061.4912 (pause 0.12) 1061.6078 839 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1061.6078 not for the simple fact that they couldn't do it. 1063.9299 840 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1063.9299 (pause 0.41) 1064.3449 841 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1064.3449 Well it was the s- simple fact that, um, 1066.2054 842 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1066.2054 (pause 0.60) 1066.8069 843 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1066.8069 it just wasn't, you know, 1068.0207 844 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1068.0207 (pause 0.27) 1068.2881 845 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1068.2881 it just wasn't in- in their mentality to do it. 1070.6909 846 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1070.6909 (pause 0.49) 1071.1852 847 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1071.1852 [You know, so,] um. 1072.3043 848 LES_int_01 1071.2178 [Yeah.] 1071.6517 849 LES_int_01 1073.3021 So here there were- oh, so you mentioned the people were different, so like, what was the, you know- 1077.5761 850 LES_int_01 1077.5761 (pause 0.72) 1078.2929 851 LES_int_01 1078.2929 I don't know, 1078.8058 852 LES_int_01 1078.8058 (pause 0.10) 1078.9037 853 LES_int_01 1078.9037 ethnic, [racial make] up 1080.6413 854 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1079.8999 [ Well,] 1080.3476 855 LES_int_01 1080.8885 when you were growing up? 1081.6889 856 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1081.6889 growing up,] 1082.3076 857 LES_int_01 1082.0759 [I'm sure] it's different now. 1083.1530 858 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1083.1810 yeah. Well growing up here was, um, 1084.9275 859 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1084.9275 (pause 0.24) 1085.1674 860 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1085.1674 of course there was a lot of, um, 1086.4854 861 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1086.4854 (pause 0.72) 1087.2034 862 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1087.2034 1087.3387 863 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1087.3387 (pause 0.43) 1087.7723 864 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1087.7723 you know, hm- 1088.1827 865 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1088.1827 (pause 0.23) 1088.4111 866 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1088.4111 it was a- a very heavy, um, Hispanic [population here.] 1091.6513 867 LES_int_01 1091.1194 [Right.] 1091.5134 868 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1092.0822 And so y- you know, another aspect, especially summertimes, 1095.0863 869 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1095.0863 (pause 0.44) 1095.5265 870 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1095.5265 you know, you'll always hear, 1097.0979 871 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1097.0979 (pause 0.56) 1097.6605 872 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1097.6605 you know- 1098.1408 873 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1098.1408 (pause 0.28) 1098.4236 874 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1098.4236 you know, some salsa, merengue playing 1100.3540 875 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1100.3540 (pause 0.40) 1100.7581 876 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1100.7581 down the streets. I know, um, 1102.0590 877 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1102.0590 (pause 0.41) 1102.4693 878 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1102.4693 1102.5999 879 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1102.5999 (pause 0.14) 1102.7398 880 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1102.7398 we would have- 1103.1781 881 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1103.1781 (pause 0.16) 1103.3366 882 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1103.3366 sometimes we'd have like, different street festivals and 1105.8017 883 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1105.8017 (pause 0.42) 1106.2214 884 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1106.2214 it'll be people that 1107.1866 885 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1107.1866 (pause 0.16) 1107.3515 886 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1107.3515 be right outside, in- you know, in front of the building just 1109.9245 887 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1109.9245 (pause 0.42) 1110.3448 888 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1110.3448 playing it- playing the bongos. Got, you know, just everybody just playing just free music and 1114.3719 889 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1114.3719 (pause 0.44) 1114.8102 890 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1114.8102 people walking [by] and, you know, 1116.9861 891 LES_int_01 1115.5313 [/?/] 1115.6619 892 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1117.5504 kids playing in the park, you know, play- you know. 1119.7153 893 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1119.7153 (pause 0.15) 1119.8646 894 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1119.8646 We would have, you know, block parties and kids is riding their bikes. 1122.8628 895 LES_int_01 1123.0400 [Yeah.] 1123.4690 896 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1123.2638 [And,] you know, 1124.0192 897 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1124.5242 it was just like, um, euphoria, you know what I'm saying. Like a- as a kid [just, you know,] 1128.3851 898 LES_int_01 1127.8022 [Really happy.] 1128.6831 899 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1128.7115 everybody is, you know, 1129.8348 900 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1129.8348 (pause 0.46) 1130.2936 901 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1130.2936 everybody's just out enjoying themselves 1132.4432 902 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1132.4432 (pause 0.29) 1132.7323 903 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1132.7323 and, you know. 1133.3665 904 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1133.3665 (pause 0.66) 1134.0286 905 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1134.0286 There used to- when it used to be real hot, when we used to really have heat waves, 1136.9664 906 LES_int_01 1137.2211 [Yeah.] 1137.5645 907 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1137.2847 [We turn on] the johnny pump 1138.6136 908 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1138.9494 and then if you look- 1139.7591 909 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1139.7591 (pause 0.14) 1139.8990 910 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1139.8990 the crazy thing is if you'll look, um, 1141.7828 911 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1141.7828 (pause 0.69) 1142.4729 912 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1142.4729 if you're going down, um, 1144.1346 913 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1144.1346 (pause 0.14) 1144.2758 914 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1144.2758 different streets 1145.2923 915 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1145.2923 (pause 0.46) 1145.7493 916 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1145.7493 on like Avenue C, if you look down the different blocks, you'll see different, um, 1149.3831 917 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1149.3831 (pause 0.44) 1149.8261 918 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1149.8261 you know, just a johnny pump on and 1151.8311 919 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1151.8311 (pause 0.55) 1152.3781 920 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1152.3781 it'll be like, you know, 1153.5449 921 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1153.5449 (pause 0.42) 1153.9635 922 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1153.9635 you just see the water up in the air. Up like, ten, fifteen feet up in the air, just people 1158.2890 923 LES_int_01 1158.5268 [/like kids are just/] 1159.4408 924 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1158.6807 [getting wet, and] it's just- 1159.8324 925 LES_int_01 1160.0127 [Playing.] 1160.7325 926 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1160.0546 [] 1160.2505 927 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1160.2505 (pause 0.30) 1160.5489 928 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1160.5489 [enjoying] themselves. 1161.7548 929 LES_int_01 1161.9632 That's [great.] 1162.8491 930 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1162.7279 [So] it was, um- 1163.8097 931 LES_int_01 1164.5138 And what about, like, the black or African American [community here?] Was it- 1168.6964 932 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1167.3442 [ Yeah, it-] 1167.9736 933 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1168.9636 it was definitely there, I mean the [m-] 1170.4044 934 LES_int_01 1170.2272 [like] who were your friends? Were they, you know, were [they a mix, or?] 1173.1882 935 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1172.2369 [ I had a mix. It was] a mix. You know, and that- and that was a great thing that I loved about 1175.9470 936 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1176.3727 living in this area, [it was like,] you know, 1178.0747 937 LES_int_01 1177.2867 [Yeah.] 1177.6037 938 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1178.8394 um, 1179.3793 939 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1179.3793 (pause 1.04) 1180.4155 940 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1180.4155 I mean, I was 1181.3324 941 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1181.3324 (pause 0.16) 1181.4956 942 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1181.4956 s- I moved here so 1182.6240 943 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1182.6240 (pause 0.19) 1182.8152 944 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1182.8152 early on, like /it was/. 1183.8877 945 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1183.8877 (pause 0.50) 1184.3866 946 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1184.3866 There was, um, 1185.3502 947 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1185.3502 (pause 0.49) 1185.8429 948 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1185.8429 not to say that there wasn't, um, 1187.1065 949 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1187.1065 (pause 0.11) 1187.2137 950 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1187.2137 I- I knew who I was, I knew I was African American [b- you know,] I knew 1189.9928 951 LES_int_01 1189.3027 [Yeah.] 1189.6249 952 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1190.3612 it's- you know, you have 1191.0621 953 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1191.0621 (pause 0.13) 1191.1879 954 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1191.1879 your Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Mexicans, w- whatever the case was. But, 1194.2048 955 LES_int_01 1194.2561 Yeah. 1194.6198 956 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1194.6292 you know, 1195.0395 957 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1195.0395 (pause 0.50) 1195.5398 958 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1195.5398 growing up being exposed, you know, to just different- living with different type of people, 1199.8297 959 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1199.8297 (pause 0.38) 1200.2121 960 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1200.2121 you know, race wasn't that m- 1201.3032 961 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1201.3032 (pause 0.13) 1201.4337 962 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1201.4337 the race was 1202.1719 963 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1202.1719 (pause 0.17) 1202.3398 964 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1202.3398 never really a issue like that. 1203.8875 965 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1203.8875 (pause 0.47) 1204.3588 966 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1204.3588 In regards to- at least with me, you [know, in regards to] just being able to 1208.3579 967 LES_int_01 1206.3249 [To everyone else.] 1207.1116 968 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1208.8009 you know, or I'm not gonna- I'm not gonna kick it with him cause he's, 1211.8675 969 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1211.8675 (pause 0.36) 1212.2265 970 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1212.2265 you know, he's- you know, 1213.3424 971 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1213.3424 (pause 0.21) 1213.5522 972 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1213.5522 so natio- such and such nationality. It was never like that. 1216.6717 973 LES_int_01 1216.7509 That's [cool.] 1217.3198 974 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1217.2399 [And,] you know, 1217.9213 975 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1218.3627 and it- it did a lot for, you know, 1220.0133 976 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1220.0133 (pause 0.62) 1220.6368 977 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1220.6368 for everybody. You know, especially for me because, um, 1223.1342 978 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1223.1342 (pause 0.50) 1223.6378 979 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1223.6378 know, as I, you know, got older, you know, went away to school and all that, you know, 1227.2499 980 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1227.2499 (pause 0.45) 1227.6976 981 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1227.6976 just being exposed to people from different cultures and nationalities. 1231.3843 982 LES_int_01 1231.6035 [Right.] 1231.8816 983 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1231.7557 [You know,] it- it- it made me learn more about, you know, 1234.6281 984 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1234.9249 [The- m-] made me wanna learn more about the rest of the world and learn about those cultures. And 1239.0872 985 LES_int_01 1234.9249 [Right.] 1235.2702 986 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1239.4556 [you know,] and being able to- it made me learn m- more about myself and 1242.6527 987 LES_int_01 1239.4556 [Yeah.] 1239.8083 988 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1243.1297 you know, what type of- you know, 1244.6638 989 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1244.6638 (pause 0.66) 1245.3259 990 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1245.3259 what type of school I wanted to go to in regard for colleges, cause 1248.2869 991 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1248.2869 (pause 0.37) 1248.6599 992 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1248.6599 we had historically black colleges, but I knew that, 1250.9851 993 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1250.9851 (pause 0.39) 1251.3735 994 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1251.3735 um, 1251.9284 995 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1251.9284 (pause 0.28) 1252.2035 996 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1252.2035 growing up in this area, 1253.6583 997 LES_int_01 1253.8682 [Mm-hm.] 1254.3345 998 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1254.0733 [um,] 1254.5163 999 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1254.7168 I knew that going into a historically black college, that wasn't- 1257.8051 1000 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1257.8051 (pause 0.49) 1258.2947 1001 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1258.2947 that wasn't my reality. First that wasn't the world's reality, you know, you were gonna have to work with different types of people. 1263.4222 1002 LES_int_01 1263.7673 [Mm-hm.] 1264.5460 1003 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1263.7999 [So, you know,] 1264.6019 1004 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1264.9671 [growing- you know, I wanted to go to- exactly.] 1267.7928 1005 LES_int_01 1265.3308 [You wanted to go to a more diverse place.] 1267.5177 1006 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1268.2264 Exactly, so. 1269.3222 1007 LES_int_01 1269.4791 Yeah, that is- that would make sense. 1270.8920 1008 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1270.8920 Mm-hm. 1271.2277 1009 LES_int_01 1271.2277 Now did that, 1271.9365 1010 LES_int_01 1271.9365 (pause 0.17) 1272.1043 1011 LES_int_01 1272.1043 um, 1272.8084 1012 LES_int_01 1272.8084 (pause 0.25) 1273.0570 1013 LES_int_01 1273.0570 so it sounds like you sort of felt like there was a lot of tolerance in the neighborhood, that there weren't- 1277.3935 1014 LES_int_01 1277.3935 (pause 0.58) 1277.9740 1015 LES_int_01 1277.9740 I don't know, tensions based on- 1279.9222 1016 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1280.2766 Race? 1280.7848 1017 LES_int_01 1280.8501 yeah. 1281.3257 1018 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1281.3490 Um, 1281.9411 1019 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1281.9411 (pause 0.20) 1282.1417 1020 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1282.1417 1282.2443 1021 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1282.2443 (pause 0.10) 1282.3422 1022 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1282.3422 I- I- I didn't- I didn't see that much. 1284.4545 1023 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1284.4545 (pause 0.15) 1284.6051 1024 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1284.6051 Um, 1284.9828 1025 LES_int_01 1284.9828 At least not for [you. Yeah.] 1286.1532 1026 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1285.7848 [not for] me, you know. A- and- but at the same time, um, 1288.6246 1027 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1289.9222 you know, at the same time growing- 1291.6149 1028 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1291.6149 (pause 1.59) 1293.2096 1029 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1293.2096 growing up, when I really began to be conscious of, 1296.4767 1030 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1296.4767 (pause 0.60) 1297.0782 1031 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1297.0782 you know, 1297.6797 1032 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1297.6797 (pause 0.62) 1298.2966 1033 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1298.2966 be conscious of, you know, my sh- my community or whatever, you know. 1301.0291 1034 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1301.0291 (pause 0.24) 1301.2669 1035 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1301.2669 It m- 1301.5793 1036 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1301.5793 (pause 0.15) 1301.7285 1037 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1301.7285 at that time it- it was- things were beginning to change. You know, that's when we, 1305.0469 1038 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1305.0469 (pause 0.37) 1305.4152 1039 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1305.4152 you know, gentrification was kind of like the big thing and, you know, um- 1308.4818 1040 LES_int_01 1308.5158 Cause it's [starting.] 1309.3831 1041 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1309.1826 [yeah.] And- and not only that, people were just beginning to move out, you know, um, 1313.0948 1042 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1313.7087 move out and, you know, new people came in and, you know. It's like, 1316.8608 1043 LES_int_01 1317.1483 [Yeah.] 1317.7917 1044 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1317.3861 [you know, so] it was kind of like, you know, wow 1319.2279 1045 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1319.3445 I- I knew there was something different, you know, it was something different that was going on in regards to 1323.3980 1046 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1323.3980 (pause 0.42) 1323.8176 1047 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1323.8176 um, something different that was going on in general, but I didn't know how much it was 1327.0214 1048 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1327.0214 (pause 0.41) 1327.4328 1049 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1327.4328 impacting the rest of the community, 1329.1021 1050 LES_int_01 1329.3314 [Right.] 1329.8524 1051 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1329.5993 [you know.] And, um, 1330.4963 1052 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1330.6859 and not necessarily to say that it was a bad thing, 1332.6396 1053 LES_int_01 1332.8075 [Yeah.] 1333.2588 1054 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1332.9691 [but by the] time I became fully aware of uh what was going on, 1336.3357 1055 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1336.7397 you know, 1337.1827 1056 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1337.1827 (pause 0.18) 1337.3645 1057 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1337.3645 the community had already changed. 1338.9313 1058 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1338.9313 (pause 0.14) 1339.0712 1059 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1339.0712 And, 1339.5095 1060 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1339.5095 (pause 0.31) 1339.8233 1061 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1339.8233 you know, m- but, you know, and a- at [the same time I came] with the same approach that you know, 1343.7401 1062 LES_int_01 1341.5113 [/Yeah, yeah./] 1342.2527 1063 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1344.1878 change- change is constant. 1345.7513 1064 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1345.7513 (pause 0.12) 1345.8678 1065 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1345.8678 And, you know, it happens, 1347.0009 1066 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1347.0009 (pause 0.32) 1347.3227 1067 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1347.3227 so. 1347.6826 1068 LES_int_01 1347.9102 So you just have to kind of roll with [it.] 1349.7457 1069 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1349.3774 [ ] E- I mean- 1350.5944 1070 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1351.3078 yeah. And I think- 1352.2917 1071 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1352.2917 (pause 0.29) 1352.5814 1072 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1352.5814 I think the major thing, um, 1354.4473 1073 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1354.4473 (pause 0.23) 1354.6755 1074 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1354.6755 in regards to the whole issue of /genf-/ gentrification, 1357.2311 1075 LES_int_01 1357.5069 [Yeah.] 1357.8305 1076 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1357.7114 [um,] a lot of people feel different ways about it. [You know, differently] about it. 1360.6987 1077 LES_int_01 1359.5702 [Yeah.] 1360.0390 1078 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1361.0391 I think that there's not a problem, um, 1363.0798 1079 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1363.0798 (pause 0.63) 1363.7060 1080 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1363.7060 I think that you- you- 1364.5563 1081 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1364.5563 (pause 0.14) 1364.6962 1082 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1364.6962 you can't expect, you know, one neighborhood to be 1367.0090 1083 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1367.0090 (pause 0.50) 1367.5063 1084 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1367.5063 the same way it is all the time. That's, you know, that's- 1369.9473 1085 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1369.9473 (pause 0.52) 1370.4686 1086 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1370.4686 that's not, um, 1371.3974 1087 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1371.3974 (pause 0.34) 1371.7416 1088 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1371.7416 I mean, i- it's not gonna happen, nine [out of ten] times. 1374.0544 1089 LES_int_01 1373.1498 [Right.] 1373.5170 1090 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1374.4678 Uh, but I do think that there- 1376.4029 1091 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1376.4029 (pause 1.00) 1377.4007 1092 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1377.4007 when, 1377.9725 1093 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1377.9725 (pause 0.47) 1378.4466 1094 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1378.4466 you know, 1378.9362 1095 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1378.9362 (pause 0.47) 1379.4025 1096 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1379.4025 gentrification is that much of a big issue here, I think it's important to 1382.8111 1097 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1382.8111 (pause 0.46) 1383.2695 1098 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1383.2695 be able to, you know, to talk about it. 1385.3911 1099 LES_int_01 1385.6802 [Mm-hm.] 1386.0113 1100 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1385.7268 [And not] just talking about it amongst- 1387.3319 1101 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1387.4941 amongst yourselves, but talking about it 1389.0608 1102 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1389.0608 (pause 0.39) 1389.4462 1103 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1389.4462 you know, with the people who are, you know, 1391.2787 1104 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1391.2787 (pause 0.17) 1391.4450 1105 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1391.4450 who are coming into the community [Like, yo.] 1393.0257 1106 LES_int_01 1392.6573 [Sure.] 1393.2029 1107 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1393.4360 Because, you know, they don't- 1394.6950 1108 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1394.6950 (pause 0.36) 1395.0540 1109 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1395.0540 you know, they don't see it as, oh you're the /shr-/, you know, 1397.4056 1110 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1397.4056 (pause 0.35) 1397.7553 1111 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1397.7553 you're coming in here and trying to change it. They don't look at it from that perspective. 1400.7332 1112 LES_int_01 1400.7503 Yeah. 1401.1419 1113 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1401.1746 You know, they look at it as from, 1402.5692 1114 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1402.5692 (pause 0.15) 1402.7227 1115 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1402.7227 you know, 1403.2216 1116 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1403.2216 (pause 0.14) 1403.3662 1117 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1403.3662 aye, I moved into this great area, you know, um, 1406.3581 1118 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1406.3581 (pause 0.44) 1406.8011 1119 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1406.8011 I have a new opportunity at life, you know, uh, [of starting] n- starting anew, 1410.9261 1120 LES_int_01 1409.1775 [Right.] 1409.5879 1121 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1411.4171 and, um, I wanna make the most out of it. 1413.1844 1122 LES_int_01 1413.2403 And they might not [realize] 1414.7248 1123 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1414.6236 [Exactly, so.] 1415.7800 1124 LES_int_01 1415.2904 [what-] 1415.5515 1125 LES_int_01 1415.8453 what their presence is 1417.2768 1126 LES_int_01 1417.2768 (pause 0.22) 1417.4959 1127 LES_int_01 1417.4959 kind of- [how it affects other] people [around them. Yeah,] I think that is a- 1421.2013 1128 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1418.0026 [ Exactly.] 1419.1170 1129 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1419.1170 (pause 0.36) 1419.4807 1130 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1419.4807 [Exactly.] 1420.2221 1131 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1421.5478 [Exactly.] 1422.2146 1132 LES_int_01 1421.5478 [that's a really good] point. 1422.5363 1133 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1422.7275 So, I mean, with that, like I- I never was- I was never angry about it. 1426.8728 1134 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1426.8728 (pause 0.56) 1427.4370 1135 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1427.4370 Um, 1427.9886 1136 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1427.9886 (pause 0.14) 1428.1285 1137 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1428.1285 I- I thought that there coulda been more done in regards to, 1431.2573 1138 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1431.2573 (pause 0.50) 1431.7546 1139 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1431.7546 um, 1432.3515 1140 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1432.3515 (pause 0.36) 1432.7105 1141 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1432.7105 whether- whether it was to relieve the tension or 1435.0233 1142 LES_int_01 1435.2922 [Yeah.] 1435.6709 1143 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1435.5999 [whether] it was to makes sure that, um, 1437.5591 1144 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1438.4660 1438.6105 1145 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1438.6105 (pause 0.13) 1438.7411 1146 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1438.7411 people were 1439.6263 1147 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1439.6263 (pause 0.22) 1439.8508 1148 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1439.8508 given the fair treatment to be able to stay 1441.6041 1149 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1441.6041 (pause 0.33) 1441.9335 1150 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1441.9335 in their homes, especially if they've lived there 1444.3769 1151 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1444.3769 (pause 0.41) 1444.7840 1152 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1444.7840 for, you know, X amount of- I was always against 1446.9476 1153 LES_int_01 1447.2320 [Yeah.] 1447.6978 1154 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1447.3626 [you know,] raising- you know, raising the rent to kick people who- 1450.5410 1155 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1451.1505 kick people out who- 1452.1574 1156 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1452.1574 (pause 0.38) 1452.5398 1157 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1452.5398 w- we're the ones that, you know- 1454.0133 1158 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1454.0133 (pause 0.52) 1454.5308 1159 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1454.5308 you know, we made this community what it [was.] 1456.4907 1160 LES_int_01 1456.3461 [Yeah.] 1456.9243 1161 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1456.6306 [You know,] and to just 1457.4792 1162 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1457.8289 completely disregard them as if they were nothing, you know, as if they were nobody, 1461.5996 1163 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1461.5996 (pause 0.42) 1462.0192 1164 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1462.0192 so that you can, you know, 1463.3528 1165 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1463.3528 (pause 0.35) 1463.6993 1166 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1463.6993 [be able to bring in somebody] who's able to 1465.9981 1167 LES_int_01 1463.8439 [Bring in somebody.] 1465.1075 1168 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1466.3758 pay the, you know, 1467.0706 1169 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1467.0706 (pause 0.55) 1467.6255 1170 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1467.6255 pay the amount of rent that you want them to pay. 1469.4720 1171 LES_int_01 1469.5076 Yeah. 1470.0344 1172 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1470.0625 You know, so I was always against that. 1471.6013 1173 LES_int_01 1471.6526 Yeah, [that's really] frustrating. 1473.1884 1174 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1472.3254 [And it-] 1472.6425 1175 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1473.2487 and- and- and that for- that's when you blame- 1475.0555 1176 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1475.0555 (pause 0.35) 1475.4030 1177 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1475.4030 that's when kind of blame or criticize the landlords, cause they're the one who, 1479.0384 1178 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1479.0384 (pause 0.44) 1479.4797 1179 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1479.4797 you know, you are in control [of doing this.] 1481.2983 1180 LES_int_01 1480.5522 [The real estate, /??/,] 1482.0723 1181 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1481.4988 [Exactly.] 1482.2821 1182 LES_int_01 1482.5043 industry or [whatever it is. Yeah,] yeah. 1485.0176 1183 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1483.4136 [ Exactly.] 1484.3275 1184 LES_int_01 1486.5438 Um, let me ask you real quick just about, uh, your schooling history. So did you go to schools in the [neighborhood?] 1492.8651 1185 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1492.4501 [ Mm-hm.] 1493.0842 1186 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1493.3531 I went [to-] 1494.2064 1187 LES_int_01 1494.1364 [What's] your, like- 1494.7528 1188 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1495.3099 sure. [I went to-] alight. 1497.0771 1189 LES_int_01 1495.6689 [I wanna hear it.] 1496.3823 1190 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1497.3382 I- I began at, 1498.3111 1191 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1498.3111 (pause 0.17) 1498.4809 1192 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1498.4809 um, 1498.9733 1193 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1498.9733 (pause 0.11) 1499.0852 1194 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1499.0852 I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/, 1500.4667 1195 LES_int_01 1500.8998 [Okay.] 1501.3001 1196 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1501.0187 [um,] for 1502.1704 1197 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1502.4502 I think it was pre-K. 1504.0216 1198 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1504.0216 (pause 0.67) 1504.6961 1199 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1504.6961 Pre-K- I went to- I went when I- when I was- I remember that was the first school I ever went to. 1508.6859 1200 LES_int_01 1508.7029 Okay. 1509.1557 1201 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1509.2018 And, um, I was nervous. It was- /RD-SCHOOL-6/ is right on, um, 1513.0767 1202 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1513.0767 (pause 0.75) 1513.8258 1203 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1513.8258 /RD-ADDRESS-2/ 1514.7817 1204 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1514.7817 (pause 0.39) 1515.1671 1205 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1515.1671 towards /RD-ADDRESS-4/. 1516.2419 1206 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1516.2419 (pause 0.52) 1516.7665 1207 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1516.7665 [Um-] 1517.2467 1208 LES_int_01 1516.8970 [So it's close.] 1517.7830 1209 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1517.7270 [yep.] 1518.1327 1210 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1518.4838 [ I-] 1518.8755 1211 LES_int_01 1518.4838 [But you were] nervous. [] 1520.4049 1212 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1519.4770 [yeah, a little nervous.] I remember like, the first days of [school and] 1522.9229 1213 LES_int_01 1523.1767 [Yeah.] 1523.7839 1214 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1523.2943 [I remember learning] my ABC's. And I was like, you know, 1525.8915 1215 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1526.2676 what is m- m- you know, why is my mother leaving me here with these people I don't even [know.] 1530.2947 1216 LES_int_01 1530.0056 [] 1531.1247 1217 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1530.8589 [You know,] I remember doing that [and-] 1532.6805 1218 LES_int_01 1532.3774 [It's scary.] 1533.2587 1219 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1532.9649 [yeah.] 1533.5012 1220 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1533.7996 And then I went to- I attended the- 1535.2407 1221 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1535.2407 (pause 0.19) 1535.4270 1222 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1535.4270 /RD-SCHOOL-5/. 1536.3836 1223 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1536.3836 (pause 0.52) 1536.8988 1224 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1536.8988 for- um, which is right [here. Mm-hm.] 1538.7933 1225 LES_int_01 1538.0146 [Yeah?] 1538.2585 1226 LES_int_01 1538.2585 (pause 0.26) 1538.5229 1227 LES_int_01 1538.5229 [Oh,] yeah, yeah. 1539.4089 1228 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1539.5204 /RD-SCHOOL-5/, first grade to sixth grade. 1541.3042 1229 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1541.3042 (pause 0.54) 1541.8429 1230 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1541.8429 And, [um,] 1542.6246 1231 LES_int_01 1542.5547 [Cool.] 1543.0210 1232 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1542.9555 [after] that I went to /RD-SCHOOL-8/. 1545.4831 1233 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1545.9243 [Um,] 1546.2694 1234 LES_int_01 1545.9243 [Oh, yeah.] Where is that? 1546.9502 1235 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1546.9595 it's on /RD-ADDRESS-7/. 1548.4287 1236 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1548.4287 (pause 0.42) 1548.8463 1237 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1548.8463 [And that /th-/] 1549.7090 1238 LES_int_01 1548.8463 [Oh, yeah, yeah.] 1549.6064 1239 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1549.8675 b- or- at the time, it began from seventh grade up until twelfth grade, [so.] 1554.0112 1240 LES_int_01 1553.8014 [Is] that the high school that has, um, that great yard? 1557.1601 1241 LES_int_01 1557.5378 With the, like, skate [park and-] 1559.9178 1242 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1559.0686 [Yes. Yes. Yes.] 1561.5400 1243 LES_int_01 1560.0966 [yes. I always walk] by there and I'm like, that looks [awesome.] 1563.3550 1244 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1562.8409 [Yeah. Yep,] 1563.7175 1245 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1564.0626 [so.] 1564.4403 1246 LES_int_01 1564.1185 [Was that] there when you were there? 1565.3449 1247 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1565.4598 No it wasn't. A lot of that stuff w- it wasn't there when I was there. 1568.5271 1248 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1568.5271 (pause 0.15) 1568.6756 1249 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1568.6756 [Uh. But,] um, yeah it's cool. Never [been-] 1571.5790 1250 LES_int_01 1568.6756 [That's too bad.] 1569.3827 1251 LES_int_01 1569.3827 (pause 1.86) 1571.2432 1252 LES_int_01 1571.2432 [So what] did- a- did you like those- so you went there from seventh through [twelfth?] 1574.6921 1253 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1574.6129 [Mm-hm.] 1575.0419 1254 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1575.3601 [Seventh to twelve.] 1576.1780 1255 LES_int_01 1575.3601 [How did you like it?] 1576.1780 1256 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1576.5790 Um, it was actually 1578.0385 1257 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1578.0385 (pause 0.32) 1578.3586 1258 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1578.3586 it was one of the best schools I've- I've ever gone to. 1580.6201 1259 LES_int_01 1580.6201 [Really?] 1581.1330 1260 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1581.0864 [Yeah.] 1581.5434 1261 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1582.0250 And, um, 1583.0276 1262 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1583.0276 (pause 0.70) 1583.7270 1263 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1583.7270 you know at first it was, um, 1585.6122 1264 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1585.6122 (pause 0.48) 1586.0958 1265 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1586.0958 at first it was a challenge because my mother made me go to that school. Um, 1589.5913 1266 LES_int_01 1589.6100 How come? 1590.2021 1267 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1590.2021 because all of my f- I wanted to go to the school where all my friends was going. So [junior high-] 1594.2379 1268 LES_int_01 1593.7334 [Where did they go?] 1594.4285 1269 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1594.6659 Junior High School Fifty-Six, 1596.3120 1270 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1596.3120 (pause 0.29) 1596.5994 1271 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1596.5994 Junior High School Twenty-Two, all these different, you know, schools that was around the way. 1599.9759 1272 LES_int_01 1600.2006 [Yeah.] 1600.4804 1273 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1600.3964 [And] she was completely against it because she knew of course, 1603.2146 1274 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1603.6339 um, if I was going there where rest of my friends were, you know, it was easy- more easily for me to be 1608.4740 1275 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1608.4740 (pause 0.53) 1609.0019 1276 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1609.0019 influenced to do, um, you know, 1611.5312 1277 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1611.5312 (pause 0.48) 1612.0067 1278 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1612.0067 kind of do the wrong thing. 1613.1476 1279 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1613.1476 (pause 0.43) 1613.5813 1280 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1613.5813 [And] 1614.0273 1281 LES_int_01 1613.6449 [Less] school, more- 1615.0112 1282 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1615.0966 Yeah, well and I [was never-] 1616.4846 1283 LES_int_01 1615.9904 [more other stuff.] 1617.0675 1284 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1616.8437 [and I] was never a bad kid, you know. I was never a bad kid but, um, 1620.2693 1285 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1620.9065 you know, so. 1621.5997 1286 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1621.5997 (pause 0.14) 1621.7365 1287 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1621.7365 But she- 1622.3753 1288 LES_int_01 1622.9612 She [still wouldn't.] 1623.9311 1289 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1623.1384 [She was adamant] on me going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and I was like, you know what 1626.4024 1290 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1626.9137 okay. 1627.4546 1291 LES_int_01 1627.6458 Because that was 1629.0634 1292 LES_int_01 1629.0634 (pause 0.42) 1629.4797 1293 LES_int_01 1629.4797 just different? [Or was it-] 1630.6641 1294 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1630.2071 [It was a] different- it was a alternative school. 1632.1702 1295 LES_int_01 1632.2908 Oh it was? 1633.0468 1296 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1633.2800 And plus, you know, the- the- the one thing 1635.3114 1297 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1635.3114 (pause 0.51) 1635.8243 1298 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1635.8243 that, um, that was great about it is that my mother, 1638.4992 1299 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1638.4992 (pause 0.64) 1639.1380 1300 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1639.1380 you know, 1639.8467 1301 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1639.8467 (pause 0.64) 1640.4839 1302 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1640.4839 my mother actually had a chance to sit down and speak with the principal at the time, who was the founding principal her name was /RD-NAME-3/. 1645.6529 1303 LES_int_01 1645.7714 Uh-huh. 1646.1771 1304 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1646.2620 And, um, 1646.9978 1305 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1646.9978 (pause 0.12) 1647.1190 1306 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1647.1190 you know, she really spoke to her about this and this, 1649.3402 1307 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1649.3402 (pause 0.39) 1649.7349 1308 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1649.7349 you know, I'm- 1650.1993 1309 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1650.1993 (pause 0.27) 1650.4670 1310 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1650.4670 I wanna 1651.0039 1311 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1651.0039 (pause 0.48) 1651.4849 1312 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1651.4849 take my son to a school where he can get a proper education and 1654.4319 1313 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1654.4319 (pause 0.40) 1654.8282 1314 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1654.8282 be able to, um, you know, 1656.6684 1315 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1656.6684 (pause 0.14) 1656.8130 1316 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1656.8130 be exposed to just, 1658.3704 1317 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1658.3704 (pause 0.50) 1658.8693 1318 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1658.8693 you know, 1659.4179 1319 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1659.4179 (pause 0.59) 1660.0101 1320 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1660.0101 new things that will be able to, you know, benefit him in the long run. [And-] 1663.7248 1321 LES_int_01 1663.6175 [Yeah.] 1663.9410 1322 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1664.4149 and 1664.9127 1323 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1664.9127 (pause 0.29) 1665.1983 1324 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1665.1983 I wound up going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 1666.5363 1325 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1666.5363 (pause 0.63) 1667.1712 1326 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1667.1712 And, you know, it was- 1668.2940 1327 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1668.2940 (pause 0.57) 1668.8667 1328 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1668.8667 it was tough at first because 1670.6797 1329 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1670.6797 (pause 0.45) 1671.1276 1330 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1671.1276 I didn't know- 1671.7488 1331 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1671.7488 (pause 0.24) 1671.9928 1332 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1671.9928 practically I really didn't know anybody there, so. 1674.0828 1333 LES_int_01 1674.1212 [Yeah.] 1674.8338 1334 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1674.4942 [You know,] just meeting, you know, everybody in elementary school we knew each other 1678.2090 1335 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1678.4701 for the most part, from first grade up until sixth grade, and now I'm in this new school where 1682.6634 1336 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1682.6634 (pause 0.49) 1683.1560 1337 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1683.1560 I practically really don't know anybody at all. And 1685.4549 1338 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1685.4549 (pause 0.16) 1685.6167 1339 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1685.6167 trying to meet new friends and, 1687.1429 1340 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1687.1429 (pause 0.51) 1687.6572 1341 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1687.6572 [you know, it was- it was-] it was- it was a tough transition at first. I mean, I never- 1691.2103 1342 LES_int_01 1687.7038 [That's hard.] 1688.5711 1343 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1691.5927 I wound up meeting some good people there and, um, 1693.9225 1344 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1693.9225 (pause 0.79) 1694.7152 1345 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1694.7152 you know, 1695.2980 1346 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1695.2980 (pause 0.25) 1695.5482 1347 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1695.5482 by the time I was in the eighth grade though, I was, um, 1698.0429 1348 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1698.0429 (pause 0.38) 1698.4189 1349 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1698.4189 I really challenged myself to, you know, 1700.2461 1350 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1700.2461 (pause 0.80) 1701.0425 1351 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1701.0425 in my academics 1702.1803 1352 LES_int_01 1702.4973 [Mm-hm.] 1702.8750 1353 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1702.5626 [and, um,] I wound up 1703.6266 1354 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1703.9366 you know, I wound up going out to DC our first year. 1706.6798 1355 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1706.6798 (pause 0.42) 1707.1010 1356 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1707.1010 Um, eighth grade I wound up going to DC for, uh, a program due to 1710.7458 1357 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1710.7458 (pause 0.53) 1711.2727 1358 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1711.2727 you know, my academics. [And-] 1712.7446 1359 LES_int_01 1712.5907 [Cool.] 1713.2948 1360 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1713.4720 and then the following year in ninth grade I went to Chile for two weeks 1716.6085 1361 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1716.6085 (pause 0.35) 1716.9612 1362 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1716.9612 [at- the school] took us to Chile. And the great thing is [that-] 1719.8755 1363 LES_int_01 1717.0405 [Cool.] 1717.7586 1364 LES_int_01 1717.7586 (pause 1.89) 1719.6506 1365 LES_int_01 1719.6506 [That's] neat. 1720.4199 1366 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1720.4246 yeah. 1720.8349 1367 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1720.8349 (pause 0.30) 1721.1334 1368 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1721.1334 The great thing is at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ they always- they prepared us for, 1724.1563 1369 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1724.1563 (pause 0.40) 1724.5559 1370 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1724.5559 um, for college. And they p- always prepared us for, 1727.2614 1371 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1727.2614 (pause 0.39) 1727.6484 1372 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1727.6484 um, the next level. 1729.1202 1373 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1729.1202 (pause 0.28) 1729.3953 1374 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1729.3953 Is that- is that messing you up? (whispered) 1730.6981 1375 LES_int_01 1730.9868 No, not at [all. Do] we need to get it? 1732.6586 1376 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1731.5417 [Alright.] 1731.9287 1377 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1732.7634 Nah, I'm not [gonna-] it's not- no, it's not for me. 1734.7078 1378 LES_int_01 1733.3369 [Oh.] 1733.6591 1379 LES_int_01 1734.7078 Oh, okay. 1735.1275 1380 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1735.1974 1735.5331 1381 LES_int_01 1735.5331 No, no, it's fine. Don't worry at [all.] 1736.7392 1382 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1736.5247 [] 1736.6599 1383 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1736.9537 But, um, it always prepared us for, um, 1740.0902 1384 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1740.0902 (pause 0.35) 1740.4446 1385 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1740.4446 just for the next level. And, um, 1742.2351 1386 LES_int_01 1743.0012 So it was- there was like, an expectation that you [would] 1745.8132 1387 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1745.4073 [ Yep, you-] you have [to work-] 1746.7922 1388 LES_int_01 1746.4611 [continue.] 1747.4102 1389 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1748.0449 Exactly. And, you know, at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ that's when I really- I knew I wanted to go to college. 1752.0627 1390 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1752.0627 (pause 0.39) 1752.4574 1391 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1752.4574 But, um, 1753.2053 1392 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1753.2053 (pause 0.38) 1753.5811 1393 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1753.5811 b- 1753.9498 1394 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1753.9498 (pause 0.65) 1754.6032 1395 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1754.6032 a- and /RD-SCHOOL-2/ that's when I really began to, 1756.6151 1396 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1756.6151 (pause 0.45) 1757.0627 1397 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1757.0627 um, gain my 1758.3667 1398 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1758.3667 (pause 0.13) 1758.4973 1399 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1758.4973 confidence academically, what I was able to do and what type, 1761.4302 1400 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1761.4302 (pause 0.11) 1761.5435 1401 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1761.5435 you know, what type of colleges that I know I wanted to go to. And, I mean, ninth grade I was 1765.5676 1402 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1765.5676 (pause 0.42) 1765.9857 1403 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1765.9857 looking at Yale University and- and Brown, and all these type of [schools.] 1770.1322 1404 LES_int_01 1769.8356 [Yeah.] 1770.2925 1405 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1770.5070 And it was because I was that- I was that sure and confident of myself that, 1774.1844 1406 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1774.1844 (pause 0.38) 1774.5621 1407 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1774.5621 you know, I was able to, um, 1776.0665 1408 LES_int_01 1776.1349 That's [terrific.] 1776.9463 1409 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1776.5826 [yeah.] 1776.9701 1410 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1777.3473 I y- I used to- I think my ninth grade I had a GPA of three point eight. 1780.9471 1411 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1780.9471 (pause 0.67) 1781.6122 1412 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1781.6122 [And like I always-] I- you know what I- 1783.7182 1413 LES_int_01 1781.6122 [Nice.] 1782.4090 1414 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1783.8768 I- I- I worked hard and, you know, 1785.8865 1415 LES_int_01 1785.8865 [Yeah.] 1786.6169 1416 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1786.4957 [and-] and the great is that, um, the reason I was able to work that hard is because of the teachers and the administration that were there. 1791.4691 1417 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1791.8144 They always encouraged you, they always took that extra time to, 1794.2499 1418 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1794.2499 (pause 0.48) 1794.7255 1419 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1794.7255 you know, working with different project with you- 1796.9527 1420 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1796.9527 (pause 0.11) 1797.0600 1421 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1797.0600 projects with you that you were dealing with, or. 1799.1023 1422 LES_int_01 1799.3292 [Yeah.] 1799.8141 1423 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1799.4597 [Even if] there was some assignments that you, you know, you didn't complete 1802.4487 1424 LES_int_01 1802.6958 [Yeah.] 1802.9709 1425 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1802.9429 they like, listen this is what you need to do. 1804.7163 1426 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1804.9494 And, um, 1805.5929 1427 LES_int_01 1805.9519 That's so [/important/.] 1806.9338 1428 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1806.3016 [And the] principal, um- 1807.7331 1429 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1808.4170 um, 1808.9299 1430 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1808.9299 (pause 0.40) 1809.3262 1431 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1809.3262 her- 1809.5780 1432 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1809.5780 (pause 0.20) 1809.7733 1433 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1809.7733 /RD-NAME-3/'s predecessor, /RD-NAME-4/ who is currently the principal now, 1813.4886 1434 LES_int_01 1813.6726 [Huh.] 1814.0138 1435 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1813.9439 [he] was so influential, um, in regards to 1816.6519 1436 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1817.1504 just the whole student body and bringing new, you know, 1819.7273 1437 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1819.7273 (pause 0.37) 1820.1003 1438 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1820.1003 new activities to the school. We had a, um- a 1822.7402 1439 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1822.7402 (pause 0.17) 1822.9058 1440 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1822.9058 liberal arts program 1824.2300 1441 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1824.2300 (pause 0.34) 1824.5740 1442 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1824.5740 where 1825.0427 1443 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1825.0427 (pause 0.43) 1825.4764 1444 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1825.4764 that's when I first, um, 1826.9117 1445 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1826.9117 (pause 0.40) 1827.3090 1446 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1827.3090 first really, you know, 1828.6862 1447 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1828.6862 (pause 0.39) 1829.0715 1448 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1829.0715 got into poetry. 1830.1973 1449 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1830.1973 (pause 0.49) 1830.6879 1450 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1830.6879 And, um, 1831.5832 1451 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1831.5832 (pause 0.41) 1831.9936 1452 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1831.9936 and I- I wanna develop in my poetry skills, and I- I've developed a passion for it. 1835.9088 1453 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1835.9088 (pause 0.54) 1836.4489 1454 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1836.4489 And [so it was] just so many things that they- 1839.0345 1455 LES_int_01 1836.8148 [/inaudible/] 1837.5002 1456 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1839.4670 they exposed us to and 1840.9508 1457 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1840.9508 (pause 0.46) 1841.4154 1458 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1841.4154 would take us to college, you know, 1842.8173 1459 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1842.8173 (pause 0.27) 1843.0894 1460 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1843.0894 do college trips early on just to allow us to 1845.5275 1461 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1845.5275 (pause 0.53) 1846.0581 1462 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1846.0581 you know, m- more mentally than anything, allowing us to know that we, you know, we were able to get, 1850.5172 1463 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1850.5172 (pause 0.38) 1850.8949 1464 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1850.8949 you know, we can get into these colleges and we belong in college. I mean, we w- 1854.5163 1465 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1854.5163 (pause 0.20) 1854.7168 1466 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1854.7168 it was just- 1855.4209 1467 LES_int_01 1855.9742 [Yeah, that's-] 1857.0560 1468 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1855.9966 [it was great, great school] to go [to.] 1857.9373 1469 LES_int_01 1857.8720 [It] sounds [great.] 1858.8106 1470 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1858.5868 [Great] school to go to and, 1860.1237 1471 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1860.5313 I mean, it was some of the best times of my life there. 1863.1425 1472 LES_int_01 1863.4439 That's [great.] 1864.2600 1473 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1863.9709 [Yeah.] 1864.3812 1474 LES_int_01 1864.9920 So you did poetry, what else were you [interested in?] 1867.1505 1475 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1866.7017 [] 1866.8613 1476 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1866.8613 (pause 0.28) 1867.1447 1477 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1867.1447 [Um,] 1867.7881 1478 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1868.2265 basketball. 1869.1663 1479 LES_int_01 1869.1663 [Basketball.] 1869.8599 1480 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1869.4589 [Very, I] was a big basketball [fan.] 1871.1515 1481 LES_int_01 1871.0909 [Okay.] 1871.6644 1482 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1871.7157 And, um, I- the only g- 1873.2591 1483 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1873.2591 (pause 0.28) 1873.5436 1484 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1873.5436 one thing I do regret is that I never, um, I never tried out for the basketball team 1877.4758 1485 LES_int_01 1877.6180 [Oh.] 1878.7115 1486 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1877.9841 at /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 1878.7721 1487 LES_int_01 1879.0472 [Yeah.] 1879.4466 1488 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1879.0713 [I never] did that and, um- but 1880.8175 1489 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1881.3770 I mean, it's whatever. 1882.3015 1490 LES_int_01 1882.3733 But you played it as a h- as a [hobby?] 1883.8281 1491 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1883.5576 [I-] as a hobby, yes. [And chess.] Chess was another thing I was- I was [interested] in. 1888.0609 1492 LES_int_01 1884.9565 [/Cool./] 1885.3062 1493 LES_int_01 1885.3062 (pause 2.11) 1887.4122 1494 LES_int_01 1887.4122 [Oh.] 1887.6733 1495 LES_int_01 1888.1863 That's [great.] 1888.7628 1496 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1888.5530 [And I] took drama, I took acting classes. 1890.7763 1497 LES_int_01 1890.9341 [Wow, you did a lot.] 1891.8931 1498 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1891.0787 [I used to- I have.] 1892.1931 1499 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1892.6454 It's- they- they exposed us to a lot of stuff. 1894.7338 1500 LES_int_01 1894.7561 That's [so great.] 1895.7110 1501 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1895.0778 [And they were constantly,] you know, going on school trips each year. 1898.2703 1502 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1898.6433 Um, we would- 1899.5054 1503 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1899.5054 (pause 0.43) 1899.9333 1504 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1899.9333 we went to Montreal, went to Boston, 1902.4068 1505 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1902.4068 (pause 0.47) 1902.8770 1506 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1902.8770 uh, Philadelphia, you know we just went to different places. 1906.3156 1507 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1906.3156 (pause 0.47) 1906.7892 1508 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1906.7892 And it was- it was- it was a great, you know, it was a great experience. Especially, you know, 1910.7494 1509 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1910.7494 (pause 0.47) 1911.2203 1510 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1911.2203 and as a high school student going, you know, 1913.3326 1511 LES_int_01 1913.5112 [Yeah.] 1914.1178 1512 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1913.6465 [going with] your school to, you know, just different- different places around the- you know, around the country or around the world 1919.0274 1513 LES_int_01 1919.0398 [Yeah.] 1919.7190 1514 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1919.5900 [it] was nothing like it, so. 1920.9121 1515 LES_int_01 1921.0945 That's so wonderful. 1922.1157 1516 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1922.2602 [Mm-hm.] 1922.8814 1517 LES_int_01 1922.7405 [And] so what did y- you do [afterwards?] 1924.4005 1518 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1924.2823 [] Afterwards I- um, 1925.9610 1519 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1926.4739 afterwards I w- I decided to go to /RD-SCHOOL-8/ for college. 1929.8792 1520 LES_int_01 1929.9491 I was gonna guess [you went to college. They prepared you well. ] 1934.4146 1521 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1930.7309 [Yep.] 1931.0573 1522 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1931.0573 (pause 0.55) 1931.6063 1523 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1931.6063 [Yep.] 1931.9712 1524 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1931.9712 (pause 0.35) 1932.3209 1525 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1932.3209 [ I went- y- yes they- yes they did.] 1934.6183 1526 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1935.1014 Went to /RD-SCHOOL-8/, 1936.6309 1527 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1936.6309 (pause 0.21) 1936.8454 1528 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1936.8454 um. 1937.4935 1529 LES_int_01 1937.6231 How did you like that? 1938.5560 1530 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1938.9297 It- you know what, it was- it was tough my first- it was the same way how it was in, um, 1943.1760 1531 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1943.1760 (pause 0.43) 1943.6014 1532 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1943.6014 /RD-SCHOOL-1/- it was more t- 1944.4830 1533 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1944.4830 (pause 0.12) 1944.5984 1534 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1944.5984 tough socially more than anything. 1946.3481 1535 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1946.3481 (pause 0.41) 1946.7631 1536 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1946.7631 Um, because you know, 1947.8636 1537 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1947.8636 (pause 0.59) 1948.4511 1538 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1948.4511 you were- high school, you see all these movies about 1950.7467 1539 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1950.7467 (pause 0.34) 1951.0870 1540 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1951.0870 what college is like 1952.2528 1541 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1952.2528 (pause 0.30) 1952.5575 1542 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1952.5575 and then, you [know, um,] 1953.9199 1543 LES_int_01 1953.1947 [Yeah.] 1953.8615 1544 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1954.2159 you know, I go to college and it's nothing like it. 1956.7742 1545 LES_int_01 1956.7855 1957.1605 1546 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1957.2451 You know, it was nothing like it and I went to a- a small- small, private university. 1960.8789 1547 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1960.8789 (pause 0.36) 1961.2380 1548 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1961.2380 Um, you know, it wasn't your [Duke-] 1963.3067 1549 LES_int_01 1962.7704 [Did you live there?] 1963.5398 1550 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1963.9035 I lived on campus as well. 1965.1345 1551 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1965.1345 (pause 0.13) 1965.2604 1552 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1965.2604 I live- /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was, um, 1966.9154 1553 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1966.9154 (pause 0.62) 1967.5341 1554 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1967.5341 the main campus is in Garden City, New York, 1969.5890 1555 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1969.5890 (pause 0.58) 1970.1719 1556 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1970.1719 so, [um] 1971.0438 1557 LES_int_01 1970.8526 [That's-] yeah, that's too far to commute really. 1972.8208 1558 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1972.8544 Mm-hm. 1973.2651 1559 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1973.2651 (pause 0.29) 1973.5539 1560 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1973.5539 Yeah. 1973.9776 1561 LES_int_01 1974.1507 Yeah. 1974.5844 1562 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1974.5844 So I lived on campus 1975.9320 1563 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1976.2630 and 1976.9951 1564 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1976.9951 (pause 0.93) 1977.9244 1565 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1977.9244 it was just first off, at freshman orientation 1980.6056 1566 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1980.6056 (pause 0.51) 1981.1138 1567 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1981.1138 it just rained. 1982.2545 1568 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1982.2545 (pause 0.30) 1982.5514 1569 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1982.5514 It rained like all day, and it was like a torrential rain. Like, 1985.5916 1570 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1985.5916 (pause 0.48) 1986.0719 1571 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1986.0719 monsoon rain. 1987.3766 1572 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1987.3766 (pause 0.20) 1987.5754 1573 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1987.5754 And you know what I'm saying, it raining and you move in there and every- just like, /yo, dag/. 1990.6749 1574 LES_int_01 1991.0131 [] 1991.5254 1575 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1991.1729 [This is] college- you know what I'm saying? It just- it- it was not [a good] start [to my-] 1995.0944 1576 LES_int_01 1993.9846 [] 1994.3467 1577 LES_int_01 1994.3467 (pause 0.39) 1994.7354 1578 LES_int_01 1994.7354 [This is] not what I [expected.] (laughing) 1996.8181 1579 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1995.5731 [my college career.] 1996.7790 1580 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1997.1615 [And you know. And so,] um, 1998.6396 1581 LES_int_01 1997.1615 [] 1997.8609 1582 LES_int_01 1998.9520 That's [funny. ] 2000.0975 1583 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 1999.3857 [ I just really] wasn't into it and now- you know, I was kind of, 2002.1771 1584 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2002.7926 um, 2003.4220 1585 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2003.4220 (pause 0.57) 2003.9894 1586 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2003.9894 I was just, you know, I was h- um, city boy, you know. And I'm- 2006.7439 1587 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2006.7439 (pause 0.55) 2007.2907 1588 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2007.2907 and this, you know, at- on the weekends, y- 2009.7651 1589 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2009.7651 (pause 0.36) 2010.1288 1590 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2010.1288 everything was dead, everybody went home for the weekends, you know, for the most part. [And-] 2013.5668 1591 LES_int_01 2013.5015 [] Oh, [really?] 2014.4913 1592 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2014.2040 [yeah,] a lot of people went home for the week- cause it was- it- we had 2016.6986 1593 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2016.8492 we had, um, dorms but it was a big community school as well. 2019.4022 1594 LES_int_01 2019.4931 It was, and not a lot of people from the city? 2021.7140 1595 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2022.1696 A lot of- a lot of people from the city did live, um, 2024.6374 1596 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2024.6374 (pause 0.39) 2025.0310 1597 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2025.0310 2025.1522 1598 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2025.1522 (pause 0.17) 2025.3201 1599 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2025.3201 live in Brooklyn- I mean, live on campus. But 2027.8488 1600 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2027.8488 (pause 0.22) 2028.0679 1601 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2028.0679 you know, there wasn't, um- my freshman year 2030.4661 1602 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2030.4661 (pause 0.34) 2030.8051 1603 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2030.8051 like, the campus life, um, 2032.5271 1604 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2032.5271 (pause 0.18) 2032.7043 1605 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2032.7043 it just really wasn't as, 2034.1638 1606 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2034.1638 (pause 0.62) 2034.7837 1607 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2034.7837 you know, 2035.3641 1608 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2035.3641 (pause 0.17) 2035.5300 1609 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2035.5300 as good as it was in the later years. Like [w- we] really developed, you know, 2039.1141 1610 LES_int_01 2037.4355 [Okay.] 2037.9144 1611 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2039.3645 over the years, you know, campus like really, really became like, yeah wow, this is- 2042.9000 1612 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2042.9000 (pause 0.45) 2043.3522 1613 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2043.3522 this is great, this is what I want it to be. 2045.2177 1614 LES_int_01 2045.3809 So [you started] to like it better as the [years /went on?/] 2048.1910 1615 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2045.5720 [And-] 2045.9145 1616 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2045.9145 (pause 1.27) 2047.1807 1617 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2047.1807 [ Yeah, and I actually] thought about, after my freshman year, I actually really considered transferring. 2051.3508 1618 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2051.8497 [From /RD-SCHOOL-3/ to Tuskegee University, 2053.9235 1619 LES_int_01 2051.8497 [Wow.] 2052.2285 1620 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2054.3707 but then, um, I decided to stay. 2056.5490 1621 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2056.5490 (pause 0.52) 2057.0719 1622 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2057.0719 And, um- but you know, 2058.4702 1623 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2058.4702 (pause 0.53) 2058.9959 1624 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2058.9959 and from my sophomore year on, 2060.9841 1625 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2060.9841 (pause 0.42) 2061.4038 1626 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2061.4038 you know, I just- 2062.3130 1627 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2062.3130 (pause 0.43) 2062.7434 1628 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2062.7434 I- I r- 2063.2750 1629 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2063.2750 (pause 0.20) 2063.4755 1630 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2063.4755 my- after my sophomore year, I really fell in love with the school. 2065.8862 1631 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2065.8862 (pause 0.47) 2066.3572 1632 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2066.3572 And I- I really began to, 2067.9316 1633 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2067.9316 (pause 0.44) 2068.3746 1634 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2068.3746 you know, challenge myself academically. 2070.2771 1635 LES_int_01 2070.4323 [Mm-hm.] 2070.8068 1636 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2070.5536 [Um,] a- a- and just trying to, 2072.2509 1637 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2072.7125 you know, 2073.1696 1638 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2073.1696 (pause 0.24) 2073.4073 1639 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2073.4073 b- s- meeting new people and just talking, you know, 2075.4776 1640 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2075.4776 (pause 0.52) 2075.9966 1641 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2075.9966 talking to new friends and not just kind of like, 2078.1089 1642 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2078.1089 (pause 0.72) 2078.8270 1643 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2078.8270 k- you know, stay 2080.0207 1644 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2080.0207 (pause 0.15) 2080.1699 1645 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2080.1699 in the box in regards to who 2081.9128 1646 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2081.9128 (pause 0.44) 2082.3535 1647 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2082.3535 I was gonna be able to, you know- who- who did I think that I was gonna be 2085.8134 1648 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2085.8134 (pause 0.35) 2086.1585 1649 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2086.1585 good friends with. And you know, I just trying to just 2088.2675 1650 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2088.2675 (pause 0.41) 2088.6778 1651 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2088.6778 meet different types of people. And I w- I went there and I graduated in two thousand six, 2092.7007 1652 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2092.7007 (pause 0.42) 2093.1230 1653 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2093.1230 m- undergrad degree. 2094.1505 1654 LES_int_01 2094.2577 [That's great.] 2094.8614 1655 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2094.3043 [Um,] 2094.7007 1656 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2095.0488 and I went back 2095.8461 1657 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2095.8461 (pause 0.20) 2096.0466 1658 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2096.0466 to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ for grad school and in two thousand eight I got my master's. 2098.8216 1659 LES_int_01 2099.0759 That's [terrific. In what?] 2100.1001 1660 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2099.3121 [In business, so.] 2100.1457 1661 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2100.3053 In business administration, 2101.3451 1662 LES_int_01 2101.7974 [Cool.] 2102.6899 1663 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2102.2870 so. 2102.7999 1664 LES_int_01 2103.3935 Two thousand eight. 2104.3071 1665 LES_int_01 2104.3071 (pause 1.55) 2105.8555 1666 LES_int_01 2105.8555 That's [recently.] 2106.6016 1667 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2106.4757 [Mm-hm.] 2106.9886 1668 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2107.3803 [Mm-hm.] 2107.7533 1669 LES_int_01 2107.5808 [That's terrific.] 2108.3222 1670 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2108.2802 [] Yep. 2108.5880 1671 LES_int_01 2109.0976 So what do you, uh, what are you up to now? What do you [wanna] do [and.] 2111.8721 1672 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2111.2239 [] 2111.3685 1673 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2111.3685 (pause 0.36) 2111.7322 1674 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2111.7322 [Um,] 2112.2822 1675 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2112.6517 well I was working in politics for- 2114.3807 1676 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2114.3807 (pause 0.15) 2114.5299 1677 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2114.5299 for [about a year.] 2115.7267 1678 LES_int_01 2114.8780 [ Yeah, you mentioned] that. 2116.1463 1679 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2116.1617 I was working in politics. I worked for, um, 2118.2321 1680 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2118.2321 (pause 0.45) 2118.6797 1681 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2118.6797 the city council, for council member /RD-NAME-4/ for a year, 2121.8178 1682 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2121.8178 (pause 0.42) 2122.2342 1683 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2122.2342 which was 2123.3906 1684 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2123.3906 (pause 0.22) 2123.6144 1685 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2123.6144 an [experience.] 2124.6216 1686 LES_int_01 2123.7310 [How did you get involved] in that? 2125.3117 1687 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2125.3957 You know, the crazy thing is, um, 2127.0230 1688 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2127.0230 (pause 0.61) 2127.6292 1689 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2127.6292 prior to that, um, 2128.9255 1690 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2128.9255 (pause 0.72) 2129.6450 1691 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2129.6450 that summer I just graduated, 2131.6138 1692 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2131.6138 (pause 0.41) 2132.0277 1693 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2132.0277 um, wasn't really search- 2133.4383 1694 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2133.4383 (pause 0.28) 2133.7204 1695 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2133.7204 um, this is when like, the economy was really, 2135.8704 1696 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2135.8704 (pause 0.47) 2136.3423 1697 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2136.3423 you know, it was like, uh- 2137.0418 1698 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2137.0418 (pause 0.52) 2137.5593 1699 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2137.5593 it was really- 2138.3996 1700 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2138.3996 (pause 0.23) 2138.6271 1701 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2138.6271 people began to start saying we're in a recession, so. 2141.1045 1702 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2141.1045 (pause 0.42) 2141.5289 1703 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2141.5289 You know, um, 2142.2749 1704 LES_int_01 2141.5289 [ Great time] to [finish. ] 2143.6300 1705 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2142.8531 [ exactly,] right? 2144.2473 1706 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2144.6623 And I- I mean, I wasn't really stressing it too, cause I had, you know, 2147.2843 1707 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2147.2843 (pause 0.28) 2147.5594 1708 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2147.5594 I went to school s- six years straight. 2149.4386 1709 LES_int_01 2149.8317 [Yeah.] 2150.3819 1710 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2150.0835 [Um,] and I was like, you know what, I'm- my- I- let me just take the summer off and 2154.1789 1711 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2154.6764 just relax. So I wound up- 2156.1243 1712 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2156.1243 (pause 0.32) 2156.4467 1713 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2156.4467 by the end of the summer, I wound up, um, 2158.1999 1714 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2158.1999 (pause 1.10) 2159.3034 1715 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2159.3034 n- 2159.9561 1716 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2159.9561 (pause 0.09) 2160.0432 1717 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2160.0432 joining a non-profit organization. I was just 2162.0886 1718 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2162.0886 (pause 0.39) 2162.4803 1719 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2162.4803 doing some- some, um, part time work there. And I- 2165.0215 1720 LES_int_01 2165.0215 Okay. 2165.4412 1721 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2165.4645 a- 2165.5624 1722 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2165.5624 (pause 0.17) 2165.7350 1723 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2165.7350 and within that period that I was there, I developed a great relationship with the CEO, 2169.6315 1724 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2169.6315 (pause 0.42) 2170.0496 1725 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2170.0496 um, of the organization who happened to be friends with the city council member 2173.8444 1726 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2173.8444 (pause 0.44) 2174.2818 1727 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2174.2818 that was looking for, you know, some new talent, and 2177.2675 1728 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2177.2675 (pause 0.55) 2177.8224 1729 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2177.8224 was introduced to her. 2178.8949 1730 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2178.8949 (pause 0.39) 2179.2819 1731 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2179.2819 And 2179.8974 1732 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2179.8974 (pause 0.12) 2180.0140 1733 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2180.0140 pretty much that's how 2181.1377 1734 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2181.1377 (pause 0.91) 2182.0484 1735 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2182.0484 [the story went.] 2182.8597 1736 LES_int_01 2182.0484 [So for a year] you worked-] 2183.7923 1737 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2183.6711 [] I worked for a year. I was her- 2185.1978 1738 LES_int_01 2185.2844 [/inaudible/.] 2186.2074 1739 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2185.4600 [her Senior Community-] 2186.5838 1740 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2186.9428 um, I was her- not- she actually wasn't- 2189.4332 1741 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2189.4332 (pause 0.46) 2189.8928 1742 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2189.8928 she was already in office. 2191.0429 1743 LES_int_01 2191.0429 Oh, [okay. Oh, okay.] 2192.4791 1744 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2191.5045 [She was already in office.] 2192.5117 1745 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2192.7402 Um, so- 2193.5007 1746 LES_int_01 2194.1158 So you were her what? What was [that position?] 2195.6454 1747 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2195.0870 [Her Senior] Community Liaison. 2196.9895 1748 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2197.2833 Which basically meant 2198.2905 1749 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2198.2905 (pause 0.22) 2198.5096 1750 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2198.5096 I did- d- 2199.0039 1751 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2199.0039 (pause 0.18) 2199.1857 1752 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2199.1857 um, w- well- which basically meant that I helped out 2201.6790 1753 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2201.6790 (pause 0.34) 2202.0145 1754 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2202.0145 with different constituents who came to her office. 2204.1950 1755 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2204.1950 (pause 0.36) 2204.5572 1756 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2204.5572 They had, you know, 2205.3545 1757 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2205.3545 (pause 0.30) 2205.6530 1758 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2205.6530 problems or- or issues, 2207.1811 1759 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2207.1811 (pause 0.27) 2207.4528 1760 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2207.4528 in regards to paying their rent, 2208.8890 1761 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2208.8890 (pause 0.34) 2209.2262 1762 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2209.2262 in regards to being evicted, or looking for jobs, like we would get in contact. 2212.7606 1763 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2212.7606 (pause 0.38) 2213.1360 1764 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2213.1360 I would get in contact with different city agencies to see, 2215.3685 1765 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2215.3685 (pause 0.35) 2215.7137 1766 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2215.7137 you know, what they can do to help them out. 2217.6488 1767 LES_int_01 2218.0168 [/Cool./] 2218.2626 1768 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2218.0295 [So] I would do that, I was also, you know, write her speeches. 2221.3754 1769 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2221.7426 I was her speech writer. 2222.7451 1770 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2222.7451 (pause 0.32) 2223.0622 1771 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2223.0622 Uh, um, I did a lot of stuff- I, 2225.2957 1772 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2225.2957 (pause 0.62) 2225.9112 1773 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2225.9112 you know, I did 2226.5138 1774 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2226.5138 (pause 0.21) 2226.7286 1775 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2226.7286 organize c- events for her, I would speak on her behalf at different events. 2230.1898 1776 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2230.1898 (pause 0.37) 2230.5615 1777 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2230.5615 [Um,] 2231.1478 1778 LES_int_01 2230.6081 [That's great.] 2231.1422 1779 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2231.3790 I did a lot of stuff for [her. I-] 2232.5712 1780 LES_int_01 2232.2775 [Did you like] it? 2232.9583 1781 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2233.3420 I liked it. I liked it a lot, I- I liked it for the simple fact that I learned a lot. It was, um, 2237.7620 1782 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2237.7620 (pause 0.51) 2238.2675 1783 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2238.2675 very, very stressful environment. 2240.1373 1784 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2240.1373 (pause 0.34) 2240.4730 1785 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2240.4730 Um, 2240.9673 1786 LES_int_01 2240.9859 I can [imagine.] 2241.7991 1787 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2241.6807 [yeah,] it's- it was very s- very, very stressful because, 2244.8715 1788 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2245.6362 you know, it was just everything was going on. She was, um, 2248.4555 1789 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2248.4555 (pause 0.92) 2249.3726 1790 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2249.3726 she, you know, 2250.3101 1791 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2250.3101 (pause 1.05) 2251.3590 1792 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2251.3590 she was always on the go, she wasn't necessarily the best manager so, you know, a lot of stuff that we had to do, 2256.5617 1793 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2256.5617 (pause 0.44) 2256.9995 1794 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2256.9995 um- and we was in the biggest district 2259.5618 1795 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2259.5618 (pause 0.31) 2259.8670 1796 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2259.8670 in the city [council.] 2260.9628 1797 LES_int_01 2260.4592 [What district?] 2261.1630 1798 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2261.3125 Forty-first district. 2262.2963 1799 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2262.2963 (pause 0.56) 2262.8559 1800 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2262.8559 And at the time we had- my ch- and we were a young staff, you know, 2266.2412 1801 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2266.2412 (pause 0.41) 2266.6482 1802 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2266.6482 my Chief of Staff was twenty-three 2268.2822 1803 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2268.2822 (pause 0.36) 2268.6393 1804 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2268.6393 and I was twenty-four. 2269.7692 1805 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2269.7692 (pause 0.40) 2270.1687 1806 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2270.1687 And, you know, I was like, second in command 2272.3004 1807 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2272.3004 (pause 0.35) 2272.6461 1808 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2272.6461 and then, you know, her schedule- her special assistant was twenty-four as well. 2276.0473 1809 LES_int_01 2276.2319 [Wow.] 2276.6110 1810 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2276.4275 [So] we were like- and we had like, other- couple other staff members that were there, but 2280.1921 1811 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2280.5720 it was pretty much my Chief of Staff, myself, and /RD-NAME-2/. Um- 2283.7996 1812 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2283.7996 (pause 0.38) 2284.1773 1813 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2284.1773 um, /RD-NAME-2/ was her special assistant. We were kind of like- 2286.6703 1814 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2286.6703 (pause 0.32) 2286.9920 1815 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2286.9920 we ran the office, 2287.9899 1816 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2287.9899 (pause 0.36) 2288.3504 1817 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2288.3504 and you know. And, um, 2289.3109 1818 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2289.3109 (pause 1.08) 2290.3880 1819 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2290.3880 it was, um. I- 2291.3439 1820 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2291.3439 (pause 0.21) 2291.5491 1821 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2291.5491 it was a great, great experience. Like I said, it was 2294.1463 1822 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2294.1463 (pause 0.50) 2294.6467 1823 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2294.6467 very, very stressful a lot of the [times,] 2296.7823 1824 LES_int_01 2296.6191 [Mm-hm, yeah.] 2297.5610 1825 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2297.2579 [but,] um, we- we- we did well. You know, we- we, um, 2300.5522 1826 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2301.1575 we definitely, um, 2302.1880 1827 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2302.1880 (pause 0.41) 2302.5983 1828 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2302.5983 we definitely did well. And I think we were one of the hardest 2305.1467 1829 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2305.1467 (pause 0.37) 2305.5203 1830 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2305.5203 working in people in this- you know, 2306.8390 1831 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2306.8390 (pause 0.38) 2307.2144 1832 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2307.2144 2307.3683 1833 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2307.3683 (pause 0.17) 2307.5361 1834 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2307.5361 arguably- and not, you know- in the city council. 2309.9935 1835 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2309.9935 (pause 0.28) 2310.2779 1836 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2310.2779 [In regards] to the amount of work that we had to do and, um, 2312.9171 1837 LES_int_01 2310.2779 [Yeah.] 2310.6323 1838 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2313.2729 still be able to run a office at the same time and still put on events 2316.7540 1839 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2316.7540 (pause 0.39) 2317.1478 1840 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2317.1478 in the community, from 2318.1985 1841 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2318.1985 (pause 0.31) 2318.5107 1842 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2318.5107 January to July. 2320.8655 1843 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2320.8655 (pause 0.13) 2320.9914 1844 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2320.9914 We'd put on about, 2321.7375 1845 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2321.7375 (pause 0.35) 2322.0872 1846 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2322.0872 at least twenty-five to thirty events for her. 2324.0957 1847 LES_int_01 2324.8164 Was that of this year? 2325.6277 1848 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2325.7070 Of this year. 2326.4863 1849 LES_int_01 2326.6722 So, um, did you decide to leave or what happened? [/inaudible/] 2330.0123 1850 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2329.0517 [Um, what happened was,] you know, 2330.5578 1851 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2331.2852 me and her, um- 2332.4517 1852 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2332.4517 (pause 0.64) 2333.0898 1853 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2333.0898 Um. 2333.5188 1854 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2333.5188 (pause 0.82) 2334.3425 1855 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2334.3425 all I- this- 2335.3395 1856 LES_int_01 2335.0606 [] You don't [have to say.] You don't have to [say.] 2337.1155 1857 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2335.7600 /it the-/ 2336.0118 1858 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2336.0118 (pause 0.75) 2336.7579 1859 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2336.7579 [Nah, I] can say is- is- well she- she definitely, um, 2339.5120 1860 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2341.0941 a large part of my- 2342.0594 1861 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2342.0594 (pause 0.14) 2342.1969 1862 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2342.1969 she was definitely felt threatened by- by us. In- in regards to 2345.8923 1863 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2345.8923 (pause 0.48) 2346.3679 1864 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2346.3679 her- her staff because, uh, you know, we were 2348.5329 1865 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2348.5329 (pause 0.29) 2348.8220 1866 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2348.8220 young, 2349.3909 1867 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2349.3909 (pause 0.32) 2349.7079 1868 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2349.7079 very educated, um, 2351.3192 1869 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2351.3192 (pause 0.41) 2351.7316 1870 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2351.7316 Chief of Staff must've had a master's in- 2353.7194 1871 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2353.7194 (pause 0.59) 2354.3116 1872 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2354.3116 [she didn't-] 2355.0111 1873 LES_int_01 2354.3956 [You definitely] knew what you were doing. 2355.8131 1874 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2355.8177 exactly. And she felt- 2357.1979 1875 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2357.1979 (pause 0.34) 2357.5337 1876 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2357.5337 she felt threatened by it. [And so,] 2359.2930 1877 LES_int_01 2358.9060 [Aw.] 2359.6567 1878 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2359.6567 because of that, um, she actually let go me and her Chief of Staff on the same day. 2363.9263 1879 LES_int_01 2364.4151 [/Oh God/.] 2365.5937 1880 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2364.7080 [Yeah.] 2365.3562 1881 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2365.3562 (pause 0.15) 2365.5054 1882 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2365.5054 [] 2365.8411 1883 LES_int_01 2365.9204 That's dramatic. 2367.1075 1884 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2367.2897 Yeah, but you know what the thing is 2369.0196 1885 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2369.0196 (pause 0.36) 2369.3786 1886 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2369.3786 we were kind of- she tried to- 2370.6804 1887 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2370.6804 (pause 0.31) 2370.9873 1888 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2370.9873 there's been more than a couple of times where she would, um, 2373.1943 1889 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2373.1943 (pause 0.74) 2373.9310 1890 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2373.9310 you know, she would try to set us up for failure. Like, we- we had the- 2377.4063 1891 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2377.4063 (pause 0.39) 2377.7933 1892 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2377.7933 she forced us to work on her campaign 2379.4906 1893 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2379.4906 (pause 0.28) 2379.7704 1894 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2379.7704 and we had to- 2380.4652 1895 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2380.4652 (pause 0.13) 2380.5911 1896 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2380.5911 we had to do a, um, 2381.9853 1897 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2381.9853 (pause 0.26) 2382.2432 1898 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2382.2432 a fundraiser in three days 2383.8076 1899 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2383.8076 (pause 0.27) 2384.0757 1900 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2384.0757 and raise two thousand dollars. 2385.5538 1901 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2385.5538 (pause 0.59) 2386.1413 1902 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2386.1413 And, which is like, you know, three days to do a fundraiser and raise two thousand dollars, 2389.7348 1903 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2389.7348 (pause 0.30) 2390.0379 1904 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2390.0379 that's, you know, that's pretty ridiculous. But we wound up 2392.6761 1905 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2392.6761 (pause 0.15) 2392.8308 1906 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2392.8308 raising three thousand [for her, so.] 2394.9458 1907 LES_int_01 2393.9619 [Oh, and] that probably made it [worse. ] 2396.7896 1908 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2395.8943 [Y- yeah, that probably-] but you know, she would- it would just, you know. 2399.0138 1909 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2399.6726 It was just- [it was a very,] very- 2402.2234 1910 LES_int_01 2400.7218 [/How?/] 2401.4605 1911 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2402.6599 it was very- 2403.6252 1912 LES_int_01 2403.8956 So [this was all recent. So-] so what's your next 2407.5373 1913 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2404.1800 [it was an adventure-] 2405.0707 1914 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2405.0707 (pause 0.52) 2405.5946 1915 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2405.5946 [yep.] 2405.7981 1916 LES_int_01 2408.1309 step? What [do you-] 2409.3573 1917 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2408.7744 [ Well,] 2409.2407 1918 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2409.5298 my next step is I'm- I'm doing community organizing now. 2412.8451 1919 LES_int_01 2412.9817 you [are?] 2413.5739 1920 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2413.3594 [Yes] I am. 2413.9656 1921 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2414.1102 I'm doing community organizing now. We actually had a- 2416.7261 1922 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2416.7261 (pause 0.41) 2417.1364 1923 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2417.1364 that's why you see those boxes over there, we had a back to- 2419.0356 1924 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2419.0356 (pause 0.13) 2419.1662 1925 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2419.1662 oh, they were over there, [back there, we had] a back to school event. 2421.9079 1926 LES_int_01 2420.2386 [Uh-huh.] 2420.8681 1927 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2422.3929 Um, where we helped- 2423.7731 1928 LES_int_01 2424.1259 Who are you working [with?] 2425.0445 1929 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2424.7320 [ 2424.8952 1930 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2425.0631 um, I'm working by myself. 2426.8210 1931 LES_int_01 2427.0043 Oh, that's [so cool.] 2428.1607 1932 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2427.4945 [So, yeah.] I'm working- my mother- and the great thing is my mother is the the Tenant Associate President, so 2432.2174 1933 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2432.5193 we just do events through our, um, 2434.8508 1934 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2434.8508 (pause 0.18) 2435.0326 1935 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2435.0326 through our development. 2435.8207 1936 LES_int_01 2436.1564 Yeah. 2436.4688 1937 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2436.4688 And, um, 2437.2149 1938 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2437.4154 and- 2437.8390 1939 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2437.8390 (pause 0.10) 2437.9416 1940 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2437.9416 which allows me to be able to work more independently, you know, just with myself and my mother, and just 2443.2806 1941 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2443.2806 (pause 0.49) 2443.7716 1942 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2443.7716 I- I have, you know, 2444.9762 1943 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2444.9762 (pause 0.69) 2445.6648 1944 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2445.6648 pretty much have a lot of control on regards to what type of events we wanna do. 2448.9214 1945 LES_int_01 2449.1121 Yeah. 2449.3918 1946 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2449.4423 Um, so, um, I'm doing that a lot. 2451.4901 1947 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2451.4901 (pause 0.40) 2451.8877 1948 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2451.8877 Um, and I'm always helping out with a couple of campaigns. 2454.2858 1949 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2454.2858 (pause 0.34) 2454.6297 1950 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2454.6297 Um, /RD-NAME-4/ who was a city [council member,] 2457.1943 1951 LES_int_01 2456.4669 [Yeah.] 2457.1150 1952 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2457.5207 in our district, I actually helped her 2459.0594 1953 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2459.0594 (pause 0.36) 2459.4215 1954 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2459.4215 on her reelection campaign where 2460.9816 1955 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2460.9816 (pause 0.29) 2461.2727 1956 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2461.2727 she wound up getting eighty-two percent of the vote. 2462.9854 1957 LES_int_01 2463.0647 [Yeah.] 2463.6195 1958 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2463.5449 [So,] um, [that was amazing.] Yes, yes. That was amazing success, and we have a, 2467.9793 1959 LES_int_01 2464.2910 [She was very popular.] 2465.2546 1960 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2468.3958 you know, we're developing a pretty good relationship as well. 2470.7319 1961 LES_int_01 2471.0816 [So you think] you wanna stay in this kind of arena? 2473.6585 1962 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2471.0909 [Um-] 2471.4879 1963 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2473.6819 [um,] 2474.3347 1964 LES_int_01 2473.9909 [Working in] city [politics?] 2475.2854 1965 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2475.1367 [I-] I think, um, 2476.3817 1966 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2476.8587 I think I- I- 2477.8426 1967 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2477.8426 (pause 0.20) 2478.0431 1968 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2478.0431 I- I can see myself doing that. 2479.8150 1969 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2479.8150 (pause 0.38) 2480.1927 1970 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2480.1927 Um, 2480.7056 1971 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2480.7056 (pause 0.19) 2480.8968 1972 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2480.8968 but 2481.2931 1973 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2481.2931 (pause 1.04) 2482.3313 1974 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2482.3313 my- my main focus and now, you know, /RD-NAME-4/ is our- is our city council member. 2486.2221 1975 LES_int_01 2486.2372 [Yeah.] 2486.6056 1976 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2486.5589 [And] so, you know, 2487.4309 1977 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2487.8053 my- my main focus is this community- is- is the community itself. 2490.9168 1978 LES_int_01 2491.1020 [Yeah.] 2491.4750 1979 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2491.3208 [So] I'm- I'm just committed to doing whatever we can to make sure that we 2494.9130 1980 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2495.2487 provide our community resources, 2497.0626 1981 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2497.0626 (pause 0.32) 2497.3844 1982 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2497.3844 um, limiting the amount of violence and, um, 2499.6846 1983 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2499.6846 (pause 0.29) 2499.9737 1984 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2499.9737 illegal activity that's going on here. 2501.6513 1985 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2501.6513 (pause 0.38) 2502.0300 1986 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2502.0300 And, um, 2502.7353 1987 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2502.7353 (pause 0.24) 2502.9766 1988 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2502.9766 /and/ just making sure that everybody is happy. 2504.8058 1989 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2504.8058 (pause 0.43) 2505.2395 1990 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2505.2395 Or- or, making sure, you know, 2506.8389 1991 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2506.8389 (pause 0.63) 2507.4730 1992 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2507.4730 for the most part that, you know- 2509.1097 1993 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2509.1097 (pause 0.55) 2509.6613 1994 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2509.6613 you know, that we're 2510.3899 1995 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2510.3899 (pause 0.47) 2510.8597 1996 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2510.8597 we're living in a har- harmonious society, so. 2513.3264 1997 LES_int_01 2513.3870 Right. 2513.9932 1998 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2514.3336 That's pretty much what I'm interested in doing, [yeah.] 2516.3493 1999 LES_int_01 2516.0855 [That's] great. 2516.7877 2000 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2516.7877 Thank you. 2517.2912 2001 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2517.4638 Thank you very much. 2518.3870 2002 LES_int_01 2518.3870 Um, maybe I can switch gears and- and just ask you a little bit more about how you've seen the neighborhood 2524.1595 2003 LES_int_01 2524.1595 (pause 0.66) 2524.8216 2004 LES_int_01 2524.8216 [change in, uh,] in your twenty-four- 2527.4375 2005 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2525.5284 [Mm-hm.] 2525.9081 2006 LES_int_01 2528.3701 well, twenty-one 2529.4905 2007 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2529.7424 [Twenty-] 2530.1807 2008 LES_int_01 2529.8543 [years] here. 2530.5024 2009 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2530.5024 mm-hm. 2530.9361 2010 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2531.8687 Um. 2532.4282 2011 LES_int_01 2532.4282 You- we talked a little bit about it, but, [you know,] what- what else comes to mind when you think of 2536.3231 2012 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2534.0073 [Yeah.] 2534.2871 2013 LES_int_01 2536.8547 how you've seen it, 2537.5961 2014 LES_int_01 2537.5961 (pause 0.32) 2537.9132 2015 LES_int_01 2537.9132 you know, change over time. 2539.0789 2016 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2539.3151 I- I- it's definitely become more upscale. 2542.2045 2017 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2542.2045 (pause 0.48) 2542.6894 2018 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2542.6894 [Um,] in regards to 2544.3801 2019 LES_int_01 2542.6894 [Yeah.] 2542.9599 2020 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2545.0099 just the- just d- different type of businesses that are here. Just in regards to the different type of people who are around here. 2550.4622 2021 LES_int_01 2550.4622 Yeah. 2550.9145 2022 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2550.9519 You know, which is like I said, is not a- is- is- is not a bad thing, 2554.0532 2023 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2554.0532 (pause 0.45) 2554.4987 2024 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2554.4987 um, it's not a bad thing at all because, 2556.3403 2025 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2556.3403 (pause 0.18) 2556.5191 2026 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2556.5191 [you know, change is-] 2557.4890 2027 LES_int_01 2556.5191 [Not necessarily.] 2557.6569 2028 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2557.9460 not necessarily, change is constant. 2559.6433 2029 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2559.6433 (pause 0.42) 2560.0629 2030 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2560.0629 Um, 2560.5525 2031 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2560.5525 (pause 0.24) 2560.7918 2032 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2560.7918 I- I- I just wish that there were more, 2563.4216 2033 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2563.4216 (pause 0.53) 2563.9485 2034 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2563.9485 you know, 2564.5128 2035 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2564.5128 (pause 0.48) 2564.9884 2036 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2564.9884 more businesses that were here, you know- 2567.0727 2037 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2567.0727 (pause 0.60) 2567.6709 2038 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2567.6709 you know, f- a lot of people who were- 2569.2144 2039 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2569.2144 (pause 0.30) 2569.5175 2040 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2569.5175 I wish there was more businesses, 2570.8697 2041 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2570.8697 (pause 0.12) 2570.9863 2042 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2570.9863 you know, here that, 2571.9049 2043 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2571.9049 (pause 0.37) 2572.2779 2044 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2572.2779 um, 2572.6828 2045 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2572.6828 (pause 0.23) 2572.9135 2046 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2572.9135 people from our, you know, people who grew up here were able to start on they own. 2576.5179 2047 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2576.5179 (pause 0.45) 2576.9634 2048 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2576.9634 [And I think,] um, 2578.0272 2049 LES_int_01 2576.9634 [Yeah.] 2577.4902 2050 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2578.6875 I think a lot of- 2579.7460 2051 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2579.7460 (pause 0.14) 2579.8859 2052 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2579.8859 a lot of it has to- reason why we don't have it 2581.9749 2053 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2581.9749 (pause 0.44) 2582.4179 2054 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2582.4179 is not because they don't want to but 2584.3335 2055 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2584.3335 (pause 0.46) 2584.7943 2056 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2584.7943 just the- the amount of money they have to afford to p- you know keep 2588.1360 2057 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2588.1360 (pause 0.23) 2588.3645 2058 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2588.3645 rent open, you know. 2589.4929 2059 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2589.4929 (pause 0.46) 2589.9513 2060 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2589.9513 And, you know, it- it's- [it's tough.] 2591.8957 2061 LES_int_01 2591.1729 [/inaudible/ there's] like, a boutique that 2593.4904 2062 LES_int_01 2593.8358 sells like [two hundred] dollar shirts or something [like- yeah.] 2597.4712 2063 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2594.5239 [It's tough.] 2595.2778 2064 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2595.2778 (pause 1.11) 2596.3891 2065 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2596.3891 [Exactly. And-] n- the- the great- 2598.2650 2066 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2598.6007 a great example of it, um, on Sixth we used to have, like this- 2601.8268 2067 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2601.8268 (pause 0.66) 2602.4910 2068 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2602.4910 this amazing Chinese restaurant right on Sixth Street and, um, Avenue C. 2606.2493 2069 LES_int_01 2606.2493 Mm-hm. 2606.6643 2070 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2606.7995 And, I mean, it was there f- since o- you know, since I could remember. 2609.9204 2071 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2609.9204 (pause 0.47) 2610.3867 2072 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2610.3867 And, you know, 2611.2447 2073 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2611.2447 (pause 1.01) 2612.2565 2074 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2612.2565 they wound up shutting down because, you know, they couldn't afford the rent or whatever the case was. 2616.5851 2075 LES_int_01 2616.6271 Yeah. 2617.0607 2076 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2617.0747 And, you know, 2617.7772 2077 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2617.7772 (pause 0.10) 2617.8798 2078 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2617.8798 now we have a wine store there. Which, you know, wine- I'm a- I'm a avid wine lover. 2621.9458 2079 LES_int_01 2622.2295 [Mm-hm.] 2622.4227 2080 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2622.3282 [But,] you know, 2623.0337 2081 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2623.3554 it just lets you know that, you know, 2625.1320 2082 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2625.1320 (pause 1.35) 2626.4842 2083 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2626.4842 um, 2627.1230 2084 LES_int_01 2627.7667 It's a shift. 2628.4067 2085 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2628.4387 it's a shift, you know. And it's like, um, 2630.4412 2086 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2630.4412 (pause 0.65) 2631.0879 2087 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2631.0879 you know, this- 2631.7098 2088 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2631.7098 (pause 0.53) 2632.2443 2089 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2632.2443 this is n- 2632.8625 2090 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2632.8625 (pause 0.19) 2633.0556 2091 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2633.0556 this, um, business was there, you know, since I can remember, since I was a kid. 2637.2396 2092 LES_int_01 2637.2863 Yeah. 2637.7339 2093 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2637.7408 And, you know it- it's unfortunate that, you know- 2639.9642 2094 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2639.9642 (pause 0.62) 2640.5797 2095 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2640.5797 you know, um, they no longer could be here because of the fact that they can't afford it. And there's no fault to the wine store cause, 2646.1859 2096 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2646.1859 (pause 0.38) 2646.5625 2097 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2646.5625 you know, they- they did- 2648.0398 2098 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2648.0398 (pause 0.35) 2648.3868 2099 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2648.3868 than their business and then they trying to open up shop here, it's a great neighborhood. 2651.7705 2100 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2651.7705 (pause 0.54) 2652.3106 2101 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2652.3106 So- [so much and] so forth. But, uh, I just think that I wish there was more, 2656.7752 2102 LES_int_01 2652.8108 [Yeah.] 2653.3159 2103 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2657.1995 um, 2657.8197 2104 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2657.8197 (pause 0.75) 2658.5718 2105 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2658.5718 I mostly- I wish there was more that could be done 2660.8893 2106 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2660.8893 (pause 0.41) 2661.3043 2107 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2661.3043 [to make sure-] 2662.1346 2108 LES_int_01 2661.3043 [Some- some] sort of way to control a little bit [of what's happening.] 2664.8278 2109 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2663.7849 [ exactly.] 2664.5667 2110 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2664.8686 Exactly. 2665.5798 2111 LES_int_01 2665.6561 Not that you're against it, but that 2667.1016 2112 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2667.3301 [Exactly.] 2668.1370 2113 LES_int_01 2667.8850 [there's-] you've seen some of the n- these negative effects [of gentrification] and [things like that.] 2672.7172 2114 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2670.5583 [Yeah. Exactly.] 2671.8033 2115 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2671.8033 (pause 0.19) 2671.9905 2116 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2671.9905 [Exactly.] 2672.7032 2117 LES_int_01 2673.3387 Now, a lot of people talk- you know, have seen a s- 2675.9283 2118 LES_int_01 2675.9283 (pause 0.43) 2676.3573 2119 LES_int_01 2676.3573 i- 2676.5298 2120 LES_int_01 2676.5298 (pause 0.29) 2676.8236 2121 LES_int_01 2676.8236 this neighborhood- this area right here has seen a lot of gentrification, you [know, Avenue] A and kind of [moving] 2682.3161 2122 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2680.4760 [Mm-hm.] 2680.8957 2123 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2680.8957 (pause 1.37) 2682.2666 2124 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2682.2666 [Mm-hm. 2682.6769 2125 LES_int_01 2682.7282 now 2683.1805 2126 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2683.2535 Mm-hm. 2683.6178 2127 LES_int_01 2683.7338 over. 2684.2374 2128 LES_int_01 2684.2374 (pause 0.33) 2684.5684 2129 LES_int_01 2684.5684 And, um 2685.6129 2130 LES_int_01 2685.6129 (pause 0.23) 2685.8438 2131 LES_int_01 2685.8438 so much so that's sometimes when I interview people, it's interesting 2688.7139 2132 LES_int_01 2688.7139 (pause 0.64) 2689.3540 2133 LES_int_01 2689.3540 through all- 2690.1793 2134 LES_int_01 2690.1793 (pause 0.21) 2690.3854 2135 LES_int_01 2690.3854 e- all over the Lower East Side- remember I told you this is the Lower East Side 2693.3016 2136 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2693.1323 [Mm-hm.] 2693.5532 2137 LES_int_01 2693.7152 Project. 2694.2342 2138 LES_int_01 2694.2342 (pause 0.40) 2694.6385 2139 LES_int_01 2694.6385 They will 2695.6427 2140 LES_int_01 2695.6427 (pause 0.21) 2695.8563 2141 LES_int_01 2695.8563 define the Lower East Side 2697.3556 2142 LES_int_01 2697.3556 (pause 0.51) 2697.8670 2143 LES_int_01 2697.8670 a little differently and they sometimes think of this as a separate neighborhood, so I'm curious 2702.2733 2144 LES_int_01 2702.2733 (pause 1.01) 2703.2816 2145 LES_int_01 2703.2816 what you think. Like, if I asked you how- w- what do you think the Lower East Side is [in g- geo-] geographically? 2708.8272 2146 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2707.4983 [Mm.] 2707.9646 2147 LES_int_01 2709.0277 Like, [what-] 2709.6945 2148 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2709.3495 [] 2709.5267 2149 LES_int_01 2710.2663 where does it go? You know, what are the little like cross streets that [make up this neighborhood?] 2713.5461 2150 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2712.4580 [Well I-] 2712.9709 2151 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2712.9709 (pause 0.15) 2713.1201 2152 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2713.1201 [I think] the Lower East Side is from- 2715.0032 2153 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2715.3017 of course, from Avenue D, 2716.4788 2154 LES_int_01 2716.8519 [Yeah.] 2717.1176 2155 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2716.9591 [um,] 2717.4161 2156 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2717.5793 the whole section of Avenue D and over 2719.6667 2157 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2719.6667 (pause 0.69) 2720.3537 2158 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2720.3537 towards, um, where Williamsburg is at. 2722.6649 2159 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2722.6649 (pause 0.56) 2723.2291 2160 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2723.2291 [And,] um, 2723.9346 2161 LES_int_01 2723.2291 [Yeah.] 2723.5462 2162 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2724.0558 it's- it's pretty v- Lower East Side is pretty big. 2726.4805 2163 LES_int_01 2726.6904 [Yeah.] 2726.9328 2164 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2726.7976 [You] know, um, [it's-] 2727.6463 2165 LES_int_01 2727.4364 [So] how, like, 2728.4576 2166 LES_int_01 2728.7187 how north does it go, like how far north would you [go?] 2730.9770 2167 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2730.9070 [] 2731.0329 2168 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2731.1215 [Um,] 2732.2016 2169 LES_int_01 2732.0821 [Like, f- well] first of all you think you live in the Lower East [Side?] 2734.1944 2170 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2733.9939 [Yes, I do.] 2734.8353 2171 LES_int_01 2734.4019 [You're on Fifth. So, like, how] no- 2735.6417 2172 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2734.9917 [Mm-hm.] 2735.3741 2173 LES_int_01 2735.7206 would you go? 2736.6764 2174 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2737.4844 Um. 2738.2637 2175 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2738.2637 (pause 1.36) 2739.6225 2176 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2739.6225 hm. 2740.1051 2177 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2740.1051 (pause 0.61) 2740.7145 2178 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2740.7145 I'm trying to- north meaning like up towards Avenue- 2742.9261 2179 LES_int_01 2743.1593 Like to Fourteenth Street or to? 2745.0384 2180 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2745.8099 I would say, yeah- I would think, um, I- I don't even think it would go that far up into- 2750.0762 2181 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2750.0762 (pause 0.42) 2750.5001 2182 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2750.5001 I think 2751.0269 2183 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2751.0269 (pause 0.33) 2751.3581 2184 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2751.3581 the Lower East Side is up until, um, 2753.6443 2185 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2753.6443 (pause 0.47) 2754.1153 2186 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2754.1153 2754.3158 2187 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2754.3158 (pause 0.15) 2754.4650 2188 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2754.4650 2754.8194 2189 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2754.8194 (pause 0.59) 2755.4069 2190 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2755.4069 I- I wanna say up until- 2756.8570 2191 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2756.8570 (pause 1.47) 2758.3273 2192 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2758.3273 yeah, up until Fourteenth Street and about Avenue- 2761.4374 2193 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2761.4374 (pause 0.69) 2762.1246 2194 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2762.1246 Avenue A. 2762.8621 2195 LES_int_01 2763.1207 Okay. 2763.5138 2196 LES_int_01 2763.5138 (pause 0.37) 2763.8869 2197 LES_int_01 2763.8869 And then east of that, like First Ave- Second Ave- [that's-] 2766.9578 2198 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2766.6706 [That's-] I don't think that- that's not the Lower East Side. 2769.0579 2199 LES_int_01 2769.2133 and then what about moving south? 2770.7966 2200 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2771.0085 Um, 2771.8711 2201 LES_int_01 2772.0204 Do you cross [Houston?] 2773.7160 2202 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2773.5777 [Yeah,] you cross Houston [still.] 2775.1009 2203 LES_int_01 2774.6859 [Do you cross] Delancey? 2776.0148 2204 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2776.4112 Delancey- yep, Delancey [still. Um,] 2778.6577 2205 LES_int_01 2777.7648 [S- go south,] okay. 2779.0192 2206 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2779.3647 cause it's Delancey- after- past Delancey, um, 2782.9438 2207 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2782.9438 (pause 0.75) 2783.6928 2208 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2783.6928 2783.9250 2209 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2783.9250 (pause 0.89) 2784.8119 2210 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2784.8119 you know what? 2785.3435 2211 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2785.3435 (pause 0.56) 2785.9030 2212 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2785.9030 After- past- 2786.6211 2213 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2786.6211 (pause 0.29) 2786.9102 2214 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2786.9102 you go o- 2787.5411 2215 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2787.5411 (pause 0.14) 2787.6763 2216 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2787.6763 I believe all the- I wanna say up until, like, 2789.7401 2217 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2789.7401 (pause 0.47) 2790.2083 2218 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2790.2083 about Grand Street. 2791.4273 2219 LES_int_01 2791.6398 Yeah, [Grand Street.] 2792.6578 2220 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2792.0471 [I would consider] that to be like, the [Lower East Side.] 2794.2307 2221 LES_int_01 2793.5126 That's the Lower East Side [for you? Okay.] 2795.2006 2222 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2794.6224 [Yeah.] 2795.0001 2223 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2795.0001 (pause 0.20) 2795.2006 2224 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2795.2006 I would consider that. 2795.9560 2225 LES_int_01 2795.9886 And then what about, like, 2797.0299 2226 LES_int_01 2797.0299 (pause 0.22) 2797.2490 2227 LES_int_01 2797.2490 east of there, because you've got [Chinatown-] 2800.4619 2228 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2800.1167 [] 2800.3388 2229 LES_int_01 2800.8535 do you- is- does that seem part of Lower East Side or [it's separate?] 2803.6340 2230 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2802.8133 [No it's-] 2803.2096 2231 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2803.2096 (pause 0.32) 2803.5314 2232 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2803.5314 [Chinatown] is [Chinatown.] 2804.8743 2233 LES_int_01 2804.7950 [Okay.] 2805.0888 2234 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2805.1867 Mm-hm. 2805.4432 2235 LES_int_01 2805.8472 Okay. 2806.1596 2236 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2806.2809 [Chinatown-] 2806.8091 2237 LES_int_01 2806.3974 [So- and that's] growing, [so that's] kind of 2808.4351 2238 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2807.4279 [yeah.] 2807.7870 2239 LES_int_01 2808.8781 the boundaries of where- yeah. It's funny, everyone I ask has a totally different 2812.0316 2240 LES_int_01 2812.0316 (pause 0.37) 2812.4047 2241 LES_int_01 2812.4047 definition of 2813.4212 2242 LES_int_01 2813.4212 (pause 0.18) 2813.6030 2243 LES_int_01 2813.6030 what the Lower East [Side is, which] is really interesting [to me.] 2815.9235 2244 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2814.1796 [Mm-hm.] 2814.7227 2245 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2814.7227 (pause 0.65) 2815.3692 2246 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2815.3692 [Mm-hm.] 2815.7790 2247 LES_int_01 2816.2872 Um, 2816.7069 2248 LES_int_01 2816.7069 (pause 0.42) 2817.1312 2249 LES_int_01 2817.1312 but, so I'm curious if- so say we use your, uh, your definition of the- the boundaries, 2821.8981 2250 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2821.8981 Mm-hm. 2822.2618 2251 LES_int_01 2822.3084 w- 2822.5136 2252 LES_int_01 2822.5136 (pause 0.17) 2822.6815 2253 LES_int_01 2822.6815 um, 2823.3070 2254 LES_int_01 2823.3070 (pause 0.44) 2823.7446 2255 LES_int_01 2823.7446 do you think that all the people that live in, you know, from Fourteenth Street to Grand and the river [to] Avenue A, or whatever it [is,] 2831.3619 2256 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2829.2496 [Mm-hm.] 2829.5994 2257 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2829.5994 (pause 1.50) 2831.1008 2258 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2831.1008 [Mm-hm.] 2831.4552 2259 LES_int_01 2831.9122 um, 2832.4346 2260 LES_int_01 2832.4346 (pause 0.19) 2832.6256 2261 LES_int_01 2832.6256 do they make up a community? 2834.4556 2262 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2834.9321 2835.0720 2263 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2835.0720 (pause 0.97) 2836.0465 2264 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2836.0465 [Hm.] 2836.5221 2265 LES_int_01 2836.1957 [And I guess] I have to ask you to, like, define what's community to [you? You know,] like, what does it mean for people who live in an 2840.9580 2266 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2838.4726 [Mm-hm.] 2838.9110 2267 LES_int_01 2841.2860 area 2841.8999 2268 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2842.4874 [Well-] 2842.8110 2269 LES_int_01 2842.4874 [to be] a community, and not just people who live next to each other. 2845.1814 2270 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2845.2819 well I think, um, 2846.7134 2271 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2846.7134 (pause 0.13) 2846.8393 2272 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2846.8393 it's different, you know. I- I definitely think, 2849.0899 2273 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2849.0899 (pause 1.04) 2850.1343 2274 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2850.1343 um, 2850.6333 2275 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2850.6333 (pause 0.14) 2850.7746 2276 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2850.7746 I see this block as being one community. 2853.0780 2277 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2853.0780 (pause 0.12) 2853.1946 2278 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2853.1946 [Um-] 2853.5863 2279 LES_int_01 2853.1946 [This block?] 2853.7868 2280 LES_int_01 2854.2485 [Very] 2854.8033 2281 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2854.3976 [/?/-] 2854.6308 2282 LES_int_01 2854.9479 small 2855.3815 2283 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2855.3908 [yeah.] 2855.8654 2284 LES_int_01 2855.6613 [for] a community, [yeah.] 2856.5906 2285 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2856.4181 [Because,] you know what the- the- the thing is, um, 2858.6096 2286 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2859.1785 2859.2951 2287 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2859.2951 (pause 0.34) 2859.6308 2288 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2859.6308 the thing is that you could- we all grew up- everybody who's living this block, you know, 2863.5419 2289 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2863.5419 (pause 0.55) 2864.0916 2290 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2864.0916 it's pretty much watched- watched each other growing up. We've been friends 2867.4744 2291 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2867.4744 (pause 0.37) 2867.8420 2292 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2867.8420 or- since we were kids. You know, and so [there's a-] 2870.4982 2293 LES_int_01 2869.9836 [Right.] 2870.4206 2294 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2870.7936 there's a history that's there. 2872.0586 2295 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2872.0586 (pause 0.28) 2872.3338 2296 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2872.3338 [And there's a] common bond that we share there. 2874.3575 2297 LES_int_01 2872.3850 [Yeah.] 2872.6602 2298 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2874.6729 So, you know, that's what makes- that's what- I l- that's what makes it special. Like, you know, 2878.9208 2299 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2878.9208 (pause 0.34) 2879.2565 2300 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2879.2565 We have Fifth Street and Avenue D, 2880.5869 2301 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2880.5869 (pause 0.32) 2880.9039 2302 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2880.9039 um, 2881.3741 2303 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2881.3741 (pause 0.62) 2881.9904 2304 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2881.9904 I barely know anybody that's over there. Or- or people [who I know] as like, you know, we- 2885.7517 2305 LES_int_01 2884.4974 [Yeah.] 2884.8518 2306 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2886.1854 we've- we known because we've- we've grown up, we went to the same school, or, 2890.0567 2307 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2890.0567 (pause 0.29) 2890.3461 2308 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2890.3461 you know, our parents may know each other. But 2892.6449 2309 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2892.6449 (pause 0.21) 2892.8578 2310 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2892.8578 we necessarily were never friends but, you know, there's a mutual respect that's there. 2896.3771 2311 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2896.3771 (pause 0.30) 2896.6781 2312 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2896.6781 But that doesn't necessarily- 2897.6533 2313 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2897.6533 (pause 0.13) 2897.7832 2314 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2897.7832 um, they're part of our, um, 2899.2847 2315 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2899.2847 (pause 0.84) 2900.1240 2316 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2900.1240 they're part of our community, but they kind of like the- th- the distant cousins. You know what I'm saying? Like- 2904.1868 2317 LES_int_01 2904.3725 Yeah. 2904.8303 2318 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2904.8303 it's like- but 2905.6836 2319 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2905.9400 2906.0753 2320 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2906.0753 (pause 0.80) 2906.8740 2321 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2906.8740 and I think it- 2907.4429 2322 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2907.4429 (pause 0.22) 2907.6621 2323 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2907.6621 just in the Lower East Side is- is- is a neighborhood itself. 2910.6556 2324 LES_int_01 2910.8328 [Yeah.] 2911.1376 2325 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2910.9774 [Um,] and I think, 2911.8713 2326 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2912.5642 um, 2913.0818 2327 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2913.0818 (pause 0.64) 2913.7252 2328 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2913.7252 depending- I think you base your community on, you know, 2916.5218 2329 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2916.5218 (pause 0.44) 2916.9613 2330 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2916.9613 at least for me, 2917.8567 2331 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2917.8567 (pause 0.53) 2918.3818 2332 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2918.3818 in regards to, you know, the people who you- 2920.3776 2333 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2920.3776 (pause 0.62) 2920.9945 2334 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2920.9945 who you, you know- who you- 2922.0947 2335 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2922.0947 (pause 0.12) 2922.2139 2336 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2922.2139 who you kind of, you know, grew up with, [basically. Y- you weren't- who you were-] 2925.3790 2337 LES_int_01 2923.5591 [You interact with.] 2924.6790 2338 LES_int_01 2924.6790 (pause 0.13) 2924.8041 2339 LES_int_01 2924.8041 [You know. Yeah.] 2925.9698 2340 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2925.8873 [interact] with yourself- myself, cause I, you know, I- 2928.1933 2341 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2928.3539 I live on /RD-ADDRESS-2/. 2929.4509 2342 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2929.4509 (pause 0.47) 2929.9253 2343 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2929.9253 There's not too many people who I- I socialize with on- on Ninth Street. 2933.5685 2344 LES_int_01 2933.8373 [Right.] 2934.1580 2345 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2933.9135 [You know,] and- you know, but we're still in the same area. 2936.1949 2346 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2936.4648 Doesn't mean that we don't, you know- 2937.7758 2347 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2937.7758 (pause 0.18) 2937.9577 2348 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2937.9577 doesn't mean that, you know- 2938.9880 2349 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2938.9880 (pause 0.65) 2939.6410 2350 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2939.6410 you know, we're f- 2940.2332 2351 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2940.2332 (pause 0.10) 2940.3311 2352 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2940.3311 from two completely different, you know- 2942.0421 2353 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2942.0421 (pause 0.28) 2942.3221 2354 LES_se0_ag2_m_01 2942.3221 they're not from the West Side, but we just, you know, we don't interact like that, [so.] 2945.7865 2355 LES_int_01 2945.4532 [Right.] 2945.8741