Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 LES_int_01 0.6352 Alright, so I turned the recorder on. So, it's uh, October thirtieth 4.0707 2 LES_int_01 4.0707 (pause 0.29) 4.3575 3 LES_int_01 4.3575 two thousand eight. 5.4925 4 LES_int_01 5.4925 (pause 0.32) 5.8077 5 LES_int_01 5.8077 And we're talking to 7.1685 6 LES_int_01 7.1685 (pause 0.38) 7.5529 7 LES_int_01 7.5529 /RD-NAME-2/ 8.3767 8 LES_int_01 8.3767 (pause 0.23) 8.6086 9 LES_int_01 8.6086 AKA 9.5727 10 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 9.7863 Big Shot. 10.3723 11 LES_int_01 10.3723 11.4097 12 LES_int_01 11.4097 (pause 0.31) 11.7148 13 LES_int_01 11.7148 What's your last name? 12.4918 14 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 12.7542 /RD-NAME-4/ 13.9075 15 LES_int_01 13.9075 Okay, cool. 14.6154 16 LES_int_01 14.6154 (pause 0.22) 14.8314 17 LES_int_01 14.8314 So, /RD-NAME-2/. So, normally, I ask people to start 17.6933 18 LES_int_01 17.6933 (pause 0.35) 18.0411 19 LES_int_01 18.0411 right at the beginning 18.8881 20 LES_int_01 18.8881 (pause 0.21) 19.0955 21 LES_int_01 19.0955 and tell me when and where 20.6869 22 LES_int_01 20.6869 (pause 0.22) 20.9065 23 LES_int_01 20.9065 they were born. 21.4986 24 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 22.6700 Um. 23.1560 25 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 23.1560 (pause 0.42) 23.5770 26 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 23.5770 I was born in Brooklyn, New York. 25.1514 27 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 25.1514 (pause 0.18) 25.3283 28 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 25.3283 Basically. 25.8226 29 LES_int_01 25.8775 Okay. 26.1521 30 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 27.0674 And 27.8636 31 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 27.8636 (pause 0.65) 28.5165 32 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 28.5165 I lost a brother in nineteen seventy-nine 31.4315 33 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 31.4315 (pause 0.43) 31.8648 34 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 31.8648 due to a fire. 32.7557 35 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 32.7557 (pause 0.31) 33.0608 36 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 33.0608 A house fire. 33.7626 37 LES_int_01 34.4218 [/??/] 35.0161 38 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 34.6400 [And we] reloaded- 35.5061 39 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 35.6830 we relocated 36.5959 40 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 36.5959 (pause 0.13) 36.7241 41 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 36.7241 to the Lower East Side of Manhattan in nineteen seventy-nine. 39.1954 42 LES_int_01 39.2559 I see. 39.7443 43 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 39.9742 August sixth, nineteen seventy-nine, a matter of fact. 42.2137 44 LES_int_01 42.5005 Okay. 42.8405 45 LES_int_01 42.8405 (pause 0.18) 43.0175 46 LES_int_01 43.0175 And how old were you? 43.8149 47 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 43.9694 I was nine years old. 44.9519 48 LES_int_01 45.3668 So, you were born in nineteen seventy. 46.6664 49 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 46.8128 Yes. 47.3378 50 LES_int_01 47.6063 Got it. [Got it.] 48.4118 51 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 48.0213 [Yes.] 48.3203 52 LES_int_01 48.9388 Tell me, uh, like a little bit about your family. How did your parents end up in 53.0796 53 LES_int_01 53.0796 (pause 0.13) 53.2138 54 LES_int_01 53.2138 Brook- Where in Brooklyn were you born? 54.3610 55 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 54.9163 We was born- uh- well I was born in Bed-Stuy. 57.4881 56 LES_int_01 57.7505 Yeah. 57.9623 57 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 58.0311 Gates and Stuyvesant. 59.1417 58 LES_int_01 59.3553 Yeah. 59.5262 59 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 60.0241 And. 60.6770 60 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 60.6770 (pause 0.79) 61.4703 61 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 61.4703 It was a family of eleven. 62.9357 62 LES_int_01 63.8205 Oh my God. 64.5161 63 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 64.6321 And me, 65.4986 64 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 65.4986 (pause 0.14) 65.6389 65 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 65.6389 me and 66.5053 66 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 66.5053 (pause 0.52) 67.0301 67 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 67.0301 ten more siblings. 68.2255 68 LES_int_01 68.7686 Wow. 69.4032 69 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 69.8121 And. 70.5749 70 LES_int_01 70.8970 All my the same mom? 71.8490 71 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 72.4183 Um. 73.0285 72 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 73.0285 (pause 0.12) 73.1445 73 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 73.1445 All by the same moms 74.4564 74 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 74.4564 (pause 0.14) 74.5968 75 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 74.5968 and 75.1460 76 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 75.1460 (pause 0.31) 75.4511 77 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 75.4511 my father and a step pops. 76.9217 78 LES_int_01 77.5258 Wow. 78.0567 79 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 78.1898 But, it was [definitely.] 79.0807 80 LES_int_01 78.6658 [Your mom] had eleven [kids?] 80.3438 81 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 80.1120 [Yeah.] Six by one man 81.6192 82 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 81.9365 five by another. 83.0105 83 LES_int_01 83.8750 Oh my God. 84.5523 84 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 84.9978 [Definitely.] 85.5592 85 LES_int_01 85.2349 [That's] a lot. 86.2173 86 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 86.4614 It is. [It is.] 87.3523 87 LES_int_01 86.9557 [Where do] you fall on the line? 87.9088 88 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 88.5495 Um. 89.0743 89 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 89.0743 (pause 1.05) 90.1239 90 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 90.1239 Since my 91.0209 91 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 91.0209 (pause 0.38) 91.3992 92 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 91.3992 the passing of my brother, /RD-NAME-3/, 93.3414 93 LES_int_01 93.4391 Yeah. 93.7259 94 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 94.2446 I have one younger than me, then me. 95.9085 95 LES_int_01 96.5492 [Wow.] 96.8978 96 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 96.7115 [So,] I'm at the 97.5813 97 LES_int_01 97.8343 [You're] almost at the [bottom.] 99.0303 98 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 97.8953 [the.] 98.1089 99 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 98.1089 (pause 0.70) 98.8107 100 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 98.8107 [Yes.] Right before the bottom. 100.3911 101 LES_int_01 100.5614 Got it. 101.0008 102 LES_int_01 101.0008 (pause 0.15) 101.1472 103 LES_int_01 101.1472 Got it. Okay, cool, so you lived in 103.0694 104 LES_int_01 103.0694 (pause 0.13) 103.2036 105 LES_int_01 103.2036 Bed-Stuy for 104.3064 106 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 104.8434 [Nine years.] 105.8564 107 LES_int_01 104.8434 [nine years.] 105.8564 108 LES_int_01 106.1855 What was that like? 106.8568 109 LES_int_01 106.8568 (pause 1.12) 107.9796 110 LES_int_01 107.9796 What was it like [growing up during the seventies?] 109.6088 111 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 108.6325 [It was, it was.] 109.6027 112 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 109.9200 It was like 110.4875 113 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 110.4875 (pause 0.70) 111.1883 114 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 111.1883 to me, I thought it was kind of like 112.6162 115 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 112.6162 (pause 1.70) 114.3191 116 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 114.3191 different. Cause it was like 115.5273 117 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 115.5273 (pause 1.36) 116.8881 118 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 116.8881 in the seventies, it was like black on black. 118.9567 119 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 118.9567 (pause 0.31) 119.2679 120 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 119.2679 Like. 119.5425 121 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 119.5425 (pause 0.29) 119.8293 122 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 119.8293 [I didn't] see no 121.4048 123 LES_int_01 119.8293 [Right.] 120.2647 124 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 122.5704 Not to many Spanish, 124.7671 125 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 124.7671 (pause 0.41) 125.1818 126 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 125.1818 Caucasians. 126.0910 127 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 126.0910 (pause 0.48) 126.5731 128 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 126.5731 It was more 127.1711 129 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 127.1711 (pause 1.39) 128.5624 130 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 128.5624 eighty-nine percent 129.4486 131 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 129.4486 (pause 0.73) 130.1809 132 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 130.1809 dominate Black. 131.2548 133 LES_int_01 131.2548 Yeah. 131.6637 134 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 132.0359 [At that time. And] 133.2197 135 LES_int_01 132.0359 [Yeah.] 132.3959 136 LES_int_01 132.3959 (pause 0.44) 132.8353 137 LES_int_01 132.8353 [Right.] 133.2197 138 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 133.8910 Until I made that move to the Lower East Side. 135.8986 139 LES_int_01 136.3587 And then you saw? 137.3228 140 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 137.6401 Spanish 138.7080 141 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 138.7080 (pause 0.31) 139.0226 142 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 139.0226 Caucasians, Asians, I saw some of everything once I touched 142.8785 143 LES_int_01 143.1775 Right. 143.5070 144 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 143.5070 the lower part of Manhattan. 144.7406 145 LES_int_01 144.9481 Right. 145.2959 146 LES_int_01 145.2959 (pause 0.12) 145.4118 147 LES_int_01 145.4118 Right, right. 146.0221 148 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 146.3638 And 146.8336 149 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 146.8336 (pause 0.18) 147.0126 150 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 147.0126 he- 147.1956 151 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 147.1956 (pause 0.38) 147.5801 152 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 147.5801 that's where my life begin. 148.6785 153 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 148.6785 (pause 0.25) 148.9286 154 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 148.9286 [] 149.4290 155 LES_int_01 148.9286 [Really?] 149.4290 156 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 149.9233 Yes. 150.5274 157 LES_int_01 150.9301 S- uh, 151.8820 158 LES_int_01 151.8820 (pause 0.37) 152.2542 159 LES_int_01 152.2542 and wha- and in Bed-Stuy, I mean 154.9491 160 LES_int_01 154.9491 (pause 0.20) 155.1504 161 LES_int_01 155.1504 you were a little kid, so do you remember like playing games? And what did you do for fun when you were little? 159.3574 162 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 159.9432 Um, I remember playing freeze tag, 162.4124 163 LES_int_01 162.8762 Yeah. 163.2179 164 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 163.4437 Um. [K-] 164.1369 165 LES_int_01 163.9416 [Did] you guys t- play- have blocks? Did you play on the block? On the [street?] 166.7399 166 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 166.6484 [Yeah.] Block parties, like they blocked the blocks off, have some block parties. 170.7414 167 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 171.3150 Music, 172.0046 168 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 172.0046 (pause 0.60) 172.6087 169 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 172.6087 I remember um, 173.5850 170 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 173.5850 (pause 0.38) 173.9633 171 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 173.9633 174.0976 172 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 174.0976 (pause 0.60) 174.6943 173 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 174.6943 Kick- um, kick ba- uh 175.9574 174 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 175.9574 (pause 0.21) 176.1710 175 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 176.1710 kickball, dodgeball. 177.4646 176 LES_int_01 177.6477 Yeah. 177.9345 177 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 178.1833 Yeah, we definitely had a lot of activities going on and then, 180.8500 178 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 180.8500 (pause 0.11) 180.9598 179 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 180.9598 coming from a household of 182.6427 180 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 182.6427 (pause 0.66) 183.3017 181 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 183.3017 ten more siblings 184.4184 182 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 184.4184 (pause 0.46) 184.8822 183 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 184.8822 uh i- 185.2605 184 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 185.2605 (pause 0.25) 185.5107 185 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 185.5107 of course we played tag and- 186.9935 186 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 186.9935 (pause 0.18) 187.1705 187 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 187.1705 [and everything else] 188.1774 188 LES_int_01 187.3780 [Yeah.] 187.7746 189 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 188.4969 amongst each other. 189.3451 190 LES_int_01 189.8645 That's awesome, man, that must have been a lot of fun. 192.1406 191 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 192.7508 So. 193.1658 192 LES_int_01 193.5441 Is it uh, what's the break down of girls and boys in your family? 196.9983 193 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 197.2729 It was eight boys, three girls. 198.9998 194 LES_int_01 198.9998 Wow. 199.7504 195 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 200.1592 Definitely. 200.9094 196 LES_int_01 201.0742 Did the girls like 202.7034 197 LES_int_01 202.7034 (pause 0.43) 203.1367 198 LES_int_01 203.1367 find it hard to like have boyfriends and stuff because all their brothers were. 207.6955 199 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 207.8481 Um. 208.2325 200 LES_int_01 208.2325 Give them a hard time? 209.2943 201 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 209.6726 Not really cause they was like 211.4141 202 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 211.4141 (pause 1.15) 212.5613 203 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 212.5613 Older than a l- a couple of boys [and.] 214.8538 204 LES_int_01 214.4328 [Yeah.] 214.8538 205 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 216.0498 And we was pretty well grounded, like we know right from wrong and 219.8475 206 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 219.8475 (pause 0.08) 219.9268 207 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 219.9268 things like that. 220.7384 208 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 220.7384 (pause 0.15) 220.8848 209 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 220.8848 But, we always have um. 222.2377 210 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 222.2377 (pause 0.43) 222.6649 211 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 222.6649 Can uh. How you call it? 223.8975 212 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 223.8975 (pause 1.02) 224.9151 213 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 224.9151 Voice our opinion, but. 226.3186 214 LES_int_01 226.8739 [Yeah.] 227.2461 215 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 226.9907 [Know.] It is what it is at the end of the day. 228.8815 216 LES_int_01 228.8815 Yeah, totally. 229.9737 217 LES_int_01 229.9737 (pause 0.74) 230.7182 218 LES_int_01 230.7182 And so your mom and 232.1615 219 LES_int_01 232.1615 (pause 0.29) 232.4544 220 LES_int_01 232.4544 and your dad, if he was around. And it must have been tough to rai- to support that many kids. 237.0189 221 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 237.0799 [Well, uh.] 238.0319 222 LES_int_01 237.3729 [What were they doing for work?] 238.6726 223 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 239.4476 My mom, she was um. 240.6375 224 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 240.6375 (pause 0.43) 241.0647 225 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 241.0647 In the seventies, she was in charge of like 243.0246 226 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 243.0246 (pause 1.09) 244.1169 227 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 244.1169 you know, the people would come and take care of the elderly, the home [attendants.] 247.5796 228 LES_int_01 247.5307 [Yeah.] 247.7687 229 LES_int_01 248.1959 [Yeah.] 248.5132 230 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 248.2081 [She], she was something like that. [But she] had a good position. 251.3446 231 LES_int_01 249.9960 [Yeah.] 250.3438 232 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 252.1062 And my father was doing con- some 254.4723 233 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 254.4723 (pause 0.14) 254.6092 234 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 254.6092 construction 255.3685 235 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 255.3685 (pause 0.23) 255.6004 236 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 255.6004 up- work. 256.1206 237 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 256.1206 (pause 0.17) 256.2862 238 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 256.2862 Like, I remember him leave 257.6750 239 LES_int_01 257.6750 Yeah. 257.9252 240 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 258.2181 and come back. Like every six days and construction work every four or five days [and] 262.8402 241 LES_int_01 262.6205 [Right.] 263.0232 242 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 263.7372 things like that. And then 264.9134 243 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 264.9134 (pause 0.95) 265.8593 244 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 265.8593 all the older kids have jobs. And- 267.5843 245 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 267.5843 (pause 0.75) 268.3349 246 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 268.3349 and things like [that. So] 269.5248 247 LES_int_01 269.1831 [Right.] 269.5248 248 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 269.6530 everybody played the part. 270.8368 249 LES_int_01 271.3006 [Right.] 271.5629 250 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 271.4104 [Basically.] We was living kind of 273.0432 251 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 273.9463 ghetto fabulous in the seventies, like 276.0393 252 LES_int_01 276.3994 [Really?] 276.7899 253 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 276.4116 [like] wow. Like I remember having everything. 278.6558 254 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 278.8999 I- I don't remember a bad moment. 280.4737 255 LES_int_01 281.1754 Wow. 281.5598 256 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 281.9321 So, it's like wow. 282.9145 257 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 282.9145 (pause 0.23) 283.1464 258 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 283.1464 [Serious.] 283.8245 259 LES_int_01 283.5743 [And] you said your brother passed away in a fire? 285.8673 260 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 285.9968 Yeah. [Uh-] 286.5521 261 LES_int_01 286.3569 [Is] that something you wanna talk about, or is that? 288.4011 262 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 288.4743 [Um, I- Yeah.] 289.6255 263 LES_int_01 289.1373 [/? memory/.] 289.8635 264 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 290.9802 Um. Basically it was a summer night. 292.5264 265 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 292.5264 (pause 1.02) 293.5455 266 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 293.5455 I think it was in July. In- matter of fact, it was on my, uh, 295.9436 267 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 295.9436 (pause 0.24) 296.1851 268 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 296.1851 on one of the twin's birthday. 297.8510 269 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 297.8510 (pause 0.17) 298.0210 270 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 298.0210 Yes. I have a 298.8518 271 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 298.8518 (pause 0.18) 299.0348 272 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 299.0348 I have twin brother and sister named /RD-NAME-2/ and /RD-NAME-3/. 301.9556 273 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 301.9556 (pause 0.96) 302.9198 274 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 302.9198 And it was July 304.7142 275 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 304.7142 (pause 0.74) 305.4525 276 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 305.4525 nineteenth. 306.3801 277 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 306.3801 (pause 1.04) 307.4235 278 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 307.4235 It was uh, uh, uh, uh, a 309.0904 279 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 309.0904 (pause 0.26) 309.3467 280 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 309.3467 pipe- 309.5603 281 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 309.5603 (pause 0.20) 309.7616 282 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 309.7616 a pipe bomb. 310.4695 283 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 310.4695 (pause 0.12) 310.5915 284 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 310.5915 They threw in through the window. 311.8137 285 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 311.8137 (pause 0.53) 312.3446 286 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 312.3446 A homemade pipe bomb and. 313.7993 287 LES_int_01 315.1723 Do you know who did it? 315.9412 288 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 316.0693 Uh. We never found out the main source behind it and all that and what was the reason. And. 321.0087 289 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 321.0087 (pause 0.94) 321.9442 290 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 321.9442 But. Um. 322.6764 291 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 322.6764 (pause 0.77) 323.4453 292 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 323.4453 Definitely, we all was in there 324.9464 293 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 324.9464 (pause 0.34) 325.2881 294 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 325.2881 and we all made it out except for /RD-NAME-3/. 327.3568 295 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 327.3568 (pause 0.09) 327.4422 296 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 327.4422 And. 327.8877 297 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 327.8877 (pause 1.98) 329.8633 298 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 329.8633 Uh. It was just tragic. 330.8884 299 LES_int_01 331.0898 How old was he? 331.8416 300 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 331.9441 Seven. 332.4701 301 LES_int_01 332.7508 Wow. 333.1629 302 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 333.2206 He was seven, I was nine. 334.7279 303 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 334.7279 (pause 0.86) 335.5883 304 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 335.5883 And 336.2290 305 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 336.2290 (pause 1.33) 337.5571 306 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 337.5571 I'll never forget that day. 338.6921 307 LES_int_01 339.0949 That's awful. 339.9004 308 LES_int_01 339.9004 (pause 0.99) 340.8863 309 LES_int_01 340.8863 And so that was one of the reasons you decided to leave [Bed-Stuy?] 344.1876 310 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 343.7299 [Yeah.] 344.2059 311 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 344.5476 That's the re- that was the main reason we decided to leave because it was a big fire and 349.2307 312 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 349.2307 (pause 0.12) 349.3466 313 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 349.3466 by having so many siblings, 350.9456 314 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 350.9456 (pause 1.20) 352.1477 315 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 352.1477 it was hard to place us like somewhere else and 354.4950 316 LES_int_01 354.7635 Right. 355.1113 317 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 355.2089 my moms just made a move to make a difference. 357.8024 318 LES_int_01 357.9183 Yeah. 358.2356 319 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 358.3699 Like um. Let's try Manhattan and the [next thing] you know, 361.2700 320 LES_int_01 360.5190 [Yeah.] 360.8119 321 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 362.9176 they had this 363.9101 322 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 363.9101 (pause 0.26) 364.1725 323 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 364.1725 i- k- it's closed off now. It was six bedrooms, 366.9373 324 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 366.9373 (pause 0.27) 367.2058 325 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 367.2058 two bathrooms here. 368.1333 326 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 368.1333 (pause 0.13) 368.2676 327 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 368.2676 [But they just.] 368.8717 328 LES_int_01 368.5186 [Good place?] 369.2988 329 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 369.3477 Yeah. [They just] closed it off last week. 371.5309 330 LES_int_01 369.7260 [Wow.] 370.1897 331 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 372.0923 We had it over thirty years like that and. 374.1614 332 LES_int_01 374.4543 What happened? 375.2249 333 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 375.2249 Um. 375.9310 334 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 376.1568 The- 376.7365 335 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 376.7365 (pause 0.33) 377.0624 336 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 377.0624 the ten siblings got down to like 379.1676 337 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 379.1676 (pause 0.35) 379.5154 338 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 379.5154 one 380.2538 339 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 380.2538 (pause 0.80) 381.0498 340 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 381.0498 and everything else, so everybody just relocated. 383.6371 341 LES_int_01 383.6920 Right. 384.2473 342 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 384.3381 [And they and.] 384.9117 343 LES_int_01 384.5212 [So,] they we- the didn't want you to have such [a big place?] 387.2184 344 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 386.4739 [Uh.] 386.6997 345 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 386.6997 (pause 0.32) 387.0170 346 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 387.0170 [Exactly.] 387.6882 347 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 387.9384 For x amount of rent. 388.9087 348 LES_int_01 389.2687 Yeah. Yeah. 390.2077 349 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 390.5311 You know. And. 391.4587 350 LES_int_01 391.4587 Wow. So. 392.6059 351 LES_int_01 392.6059 (pause 0.41) 393.0161 352 LES_int_01 393.0161 Okay. So, you moved into so this is /RD-ADDRESS-4/? 395.2617 353 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 395.5302 Yes. 395.9208 354 LES_int_01 396.9631 Cool. Okay. So you moved here, you were nine years old. It was like the end of the seventies. 400.9905 355 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 401.0881 The end of the [seventies.] 402.1631 356 LES_int_01 401.6749 [What do you] remember? 402.8442 357 LES_int_01 402.9784 Wha- what was it like? 403.9792 358 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 404.9029 Growing up in the seventies? 406.0013 359 LES_int_01 406.0013 Yeah. Like coming- like moving here to the Lower East Side. 408.3750 360 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 408.9974 Uh. It was very different. 410.2301 361 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 410.2301 (pause 0.54) 410.7723 362 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 410.7723 Like 411.0835 363 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 411.0835 (pause 1.50) 412.5786 364 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 412.5786 I didn't know what was a Spanish person until I got here. 415.0865 365 LES_int_01 415.2086 Right. 415.5808 366 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 415.7151 Like. 416.0934 367 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 416.0934 (pause 0.80) 416.8976 368 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 416.8976 Since this was mostly dominated by 419.0212 369 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 419.0212 (pause 0.46) 419.4849 370 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 419.4849 Puerto Ricans and Dominicans at that point. 421.8831 371 LES_int_01 422.0112 It was. 422.6019 372 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 423.8024 When I got here, I was just like 425.5598 373 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 425.5598 (pause 0.19) 425.7490 374 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 425.7490 really impressed with the 427.2480 375 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 427.2480 (pause 0.78) 428.0290 376 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 428.0290 the different color of race. 429.4386 377 LES_int_01 429.6615 Yeah. 430.0460 378 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 430.0460 The long hair. 431.1127 379 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 431.5948 The Spanish. 432.5101 380 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 432.5101 (pause 0.10) 432.6078 381 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 432.6078 It was like, it was a whole nother world for me. Like [w-] like wow. 435.8465 382 LES_int_01 434.7604 [Right.] 435.1265 383 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 436.7558 And 437.2988 384 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 437.2988 (pause 0.14) 437.4363 385 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 437.4363 of course, /RD-NAME-2/ adapt 438.8185 386 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 438.8185 (pause 0.82) 439.6423 387 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 439.6423 quickly. 440.3109 388 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 440.3109 (pause 0.17) 440.4818 389 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 440.4818 [Got into] the mix, 441.5741 390 LES_int_01 440.4818 [Uh-huh.] 440.8541 391 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 441.7266 made a lot of friends, and never stopped since there. 444.2102 392 LES_int_01 444.6513 And are your friends, there- are all different 446.8664 393 LES_int_01 446.8664 (pause 0.67) 447.5391 394 LES_int_01 447.5391 races and ethnicities? 448.9569 395 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 448.9569 Yes, they are. 449.8356 396 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 450.2505 They definitely. I got. I got all kind of friends. [All- all] different backgrounds and [/this this ridiculous/.] 455.4999 397 LES_int_01 452.4549 [Yeah.] 453.0041 398 LES_int_01 453.0041 (pause 1.82) 454.8225 399 LES_int_01 454.8225 [And when you were growing] up, was that normal? Did all the kids kind of mix or were- was is like if you were Puerto Rican, then you hang out with all the Puerto Rican [kids?] 462.1603 400 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 462.0748 [Well.] 462.5996 401 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 463.8384 It was s- sort of like that for a little while that I remember, like 467.6678 402 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 467.6678 (pause 0.76) 468.4245 403 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 468.4245 I remember the Spanish parents didn't want the blacks in they house at one point. 472.3002 404 LES_int_01 472.7517 Really? 473.2582 405 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 473.4840 And not- and it was not even like 475.9769 406 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 475.9769 (pause 0.37) 476.3491 407 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 476.3491 them being 476.9959 408 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 476.9959 (pause 1.81) 478.8067 409 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 478.8067 naive to the situation of prejudice- /cy/. 481.7845 410 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 481.7845 (pause 0.49) 482.2727 411 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 482.2727 It's just like 483.0232 412 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 483.0232 (pause 0.46) 483.4809 413 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 483.4809 I guess that's how it was at that point it was like 485.9958 414 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 485.9958 (pause 0.98) 486.9783 415 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 486.9783 if I didn't know what a Puerto Rican was in seventy- seventy-nine and stuff like that 491.2527 416 LES_int_01 491.2527 Yeah. 491.6596 417 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 492.7213 and out here it was nothing but Puerto Ricans. So, Puerto Ricans and things like that. [So.] 496.7915 418 LES_int_01 496.4986 [Yeah.] 496.7915 419 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 497.1209 to have a- uh, uh, 498.3292 420 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 498.3292 (pause 0.16) 498.4878 421 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 498.4878 black 498.7563 422 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 498.7563 (pause 0.12) 498.8723 423 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 498.8723 guy uh, uh, uh Puerto Rican come to the households at that time, 502.1796 424 LES_int_01 502.3726 Yeah. 502.7265 425 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 503.2757 know what I'm saying, you gotta really really be like open minded to the whole 506.5098 426 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 506.5098 (pause 0.18) 506.6868 427 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 506.6868 situation and 507.6693 428 LES_int_01 507.9255 Right. 508.2551 429 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 508.2551 some people wasn't 509.2163 430 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 509.7289 they didn't know too much English at that time. So, they really didn't know 512.7445 431 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 512.7445 (pause 0.79) 513.5317 432 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 513.5317 it's okay to have 514.5324 433 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 514.5324 (pause 0.41) 514.9474 434 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 514.9474 a black person inside the same household as a Spanish person and [things like that.] 518.7904 435 LES_int_01 518.1414 [Right.] 518.8004 436 LES_int_01 519.0140 Right. 519.2786 437 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 519.2786 But that faded, 520.1037 438 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 520.2379 that faded kind of quickly. 521.4156 439 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 521.4156 (pause 0.46) 521.8733 440 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 521.8733 [I'd say.] 522.3515 441 LES_int_01 521.8733 [Yeah.] 522.1664 442 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 522.5101 It faded kind of quickly cause 524.0356 443 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 524.0356 (pause 0.63) 524.6642 444 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 524.6642 it was nothing they could do. Everybody knew each other and 527.2072 445 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 527.2072 (pause 0.51) 527.7136 446 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 527.7136 if from- from s- 528.6511 447 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 528.6511 (pause 0.13) 528.7815 448 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 528.7815 from junior high school, uh from 530.8929 449 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 530.8929 (pause 0.20) 531.0881 450 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 531.0881 hi- public school to junior high school, it's like we all in the same classes, we all see each other and 536.3695 451 LES_int_01 536.5099 Yeah. 536.8333 452 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 537.3328 and then, you in the project. Got eleven floors, a hundred. 540.1979 453 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 540.1979 (pause 0.34) 540.5330 454 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 540.5330 You got nine apartments on each floor, so you got a hundred and ten apartments in the building. 544.5023 455 LES_int_01 544.5389 Woah. 544.9295 456 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 545.1003 Of course, we gonna know somebody, and somebody gonna invite you over to this person house and [things like that.] 549.8301 457 LES_int_01 549.3236 [Yeah.] 549.8301 458 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 550.0437 [So.] 550.3305 459 LES_int_01 550.0437 [Yeah.] 550.3305 460 LES_int_01 550.6478 [So yo- so you f- /inaudible/.] 552.8201 461 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 551.4044 [So it benefited.] Yeah. It benefited in a way. 554.0328 462 LES_int_01 554.9436 So, you lived in the same apartment then for. 557.3174 463 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 558.4341 Forever. 559.2945 464 LES_int_01 559.7887 That's amazing. 560.6691 465 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 560.6691 Yeah. For at least almost twenty-nine, thirty years. 563.3723 466 LES_int_01 563.9355 That's wild. 564.9607 467 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 565.3024 Yeah. 565.6441 468 LES_int_01 565.9736 Okay. So you're a kid, 567.3473 469 LES_int_01 567.3473 (pause 0.10) 567.4511 470 LES_int_01 567.4511 and you start to make friends, a- a- 569.0559 471 LES_int_01 569.0559 (pause 0.14) 569.1963 472 LES_int_01 569.1963 a- and was your social life different? Like where did- now, where did you play here as a, 573.7962 473 LES_int_01 573.7962 (pause 0.15) 573.9459 474 LES_int_01 573.9459 as a kid and what did you play? 575.3988 475 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 575.4415 Um. 576.0822 476 LES_int_01 576.1738 Because now you've got kind of like [playgrounds?] 578.1472 477 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 577.8909 [Yes.] 578.4645 478 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 578.7391 Um. 579.3737 479 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 579.3737 (pause 1.94) 581.3113 480 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 581.3113 I played in back of the building, they call the, um, 583.6484 481 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 583.6484 (pause 0.33) 583.9773 482 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 583.9773 The Wood P- 584.4175 483 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 584.4175 (pause 0.21) 584.6242 484 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 584.6242 The Wood Park. 585.3625 485 LES_int_01 585.9422 The yeah? (laughing) 586.4902 486 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 586.4902 Yeah, and it was a lot of wooden things, that's why [and] 589.4906 487 LES_int_01 589.1550 [Okay.] 589.5883 488 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 590.3754 and 591.0955 489 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 591.0955 (pause 1.29) 592.3896 490 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 592.3896 that's where I did all my growing up, basically with all my friends I used to hang out with like, 596.6122 491 LES_int_01 597.0171 Yeah. 597.3893 492 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 597.5113 running across the uh, the wood things this, 600.1579 493 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 600.1579 (pause 0.08) 600.2366 494 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 600.2366 the monkey bars, [the /??/.] 601.5189 495 LES_int_01 601.2382 [Is it-] it's like a playground? Or [is it-] 602.6539 496 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 602.4708 [Yeah.] It's definitely a playground. 604.1794 497 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 604.7347 And the only reason they call it like the Wood Park, it's this 607.0656 498 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 607.0656 (pause 0.53) 607.5965 499 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 607.5965 uh, wooden bridge would take you from one side of the playground to the other side, like the monkey bars into the 613.4570 500 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 613.4570 (pause 0.51) 613.9696 501 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 613.9696 the swings probably [or something like that.] 615.8036 502 LES_int_01 615.5107 [I feel] like I've see- is it right out there? 617.0606 503 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 617.0606 [Yeah. It was back there.] 618.1041 504 LES_int_01 617.3840 [I feel like I've] seen it. [Yeah.] 618.8403 505 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 618.7060 [It] been around forever, but they just did a little touch up and all that. 621.9275 506 LES_int_01 622.0313 Okay. Okay. 623.0067 507 LES_int_01 623.0067 (pause 0.48) 623.4827 508 LES_int_01 623.4827 So, you played in the playground then. 624.8887 509 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 624.9924 [Definitely.] 625.6454 510 LES_int_01 625.3525 [Did] you um, 626.5719 511 LES_int_01 626.7549 did you like ex- start to explore the neighborhood or even outside the neighborhood? 630.5204 512 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 630.7156 Um. 631.3869 513 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 631.3869 (pause 0.76) 632.1473 514 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 632.1473 I explored the neighborhood, well back in seventy-nine, 634.9726 515 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 634.9726 (pause 0.50) 635.4730 516 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 635.4730 besides playing in the playground, 636.9985 517 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 636.9985 (pause 1.86) 638.8635 518 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 638.8635 I had the biggest bi- ha- uh, apartment i- in the building. 641.7987 519 LES_int_01 641.9451 Right. 642.2075 520 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 642.6713 So, it was like this was like a playground for the kids in the building [and everything else] like hide-and-go-seek. 648.3828 521 LES_int_01 646.2564 [Yeah.] 646.8666 522 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 648.8466 It's like, it was six bedrooms, two bathrooms, a kitchen and a living room. 652.1204 523 LES_int_01 652.2974 [Unbelievable.] 653.2554 524 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 652.6187 [So in a se-] in the late seventies, early eighties, that's like a mansion. 656.4630 525 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 657.4154 And 657.9585 526 LES_int_01 657.9585 Right. 658.3368 527 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 658.3368 I remember we used to play all kind of 659.9233 528 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 660.0759 games up in here. 660.9729 529 LES_int_01 661.1194 Yeah. 661.5465 530 LES_int_01 661.5465 (pause 0.56) 662.1079 531 LES_int_01 662.1079 [Yeah.] 662.4557 532 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 662.1142 [S- So,] it was like, it was [okay.] 663.7446 533 LES_int_01 663.5249 [Like what?] Like 664.0985 534 LES_int_01 664.2755 hide and seek? Or. 665.2274 535 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 665.2274 Hide and seek. Um. 666.5882 536 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 666.9032 Freeze tag. 667.9772 537 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 667.9772 (pause 0.79) 668.7644 538 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 668.7644 Um. 669.3441 539 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 669.3441 (pause 0.67) 670.0153 540 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 670.0153 This um, how you call it? Twister. I remember playing twister. [Skel-] 673.5227 541 LES_int_01 673.1627 [Twister,] with the? 674.2062 542 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 674.2062 Yeah. 674.7554 543 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 674.9716 [And skelzies] in the house because it was so spacious. 677.8396 544 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 677.8396 (pause 0.87) 678.7061 545 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 678.7061 A- And if you didn't come from a family of wealth 681.7023 546 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 681.7023 (pause 0.73) 682.4300 547 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 682.4300 in the late seventies, 683.3942 548 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 683.3942 (pause 0.12) 683.5101 549 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 683.5101 [ear-] early eighties, 684.5109 550 LES_int_01 683.5101 [Yeah.] 683.9800 551 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 685.6555 a big apartment 686.6990 552 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 686.6990 (pause 0.26) 686.9553 553 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 686.9553 you definitely gonna have room. 688.1940 554 LES_int_01 688.5296 Yeah. 688.7737 555 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 688.9385 And, it was a lot of space, and we just did a lot of different [things growing up in here.] 692.9015 556 LES_int_01 692.1570 [Yeah. Yeah.] 692.9015 557 LES_int_01 693.5056 Di- so, did you go to public school in the area? 695.6727 558 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 696.2036 Uh, I went to 697.6066 559 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 697.6066 (pause 0.14) 697.7470 560 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 697.7470 /RD-SCHOOL-6/ 698.9369 561 LES_int_01 699.6365 Which one is that? 700.4237 562 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 700.4237 Uh, it's right across the street [from my building.] It's right, f- the address is /RD-ADDRESS-8/ 705.5217 563 LES_int_01 701.7018 [Oh, okay.] 702.2876 564 LES_int_01 705.6560 [Okay.] 706.0057 565 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 706.7149 And 707.3251 566 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 707.3251 (pause 0.11) 707.4349 567 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 707.4349 that was my choice of 709.0642 568 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 709.0642 (pause 0.49) 709.5524 569 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 709.5524 public school for- 710.5983 570 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 710.5983 (pause 0.24) 710.8363 571 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 710.8363 [for men] in the community, they put you in your community public [school, and.] 714.6046 572 LES_int_01 710.9278 [Yeah.] 711.3305 573 LES_int_01 711.3305 (pause 3.05) 714.3849 574 LES_int_01 714.3849 [Right.] Right. 715.0378 575 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 715.7897 And my fourth grade teacher was Ms. /RD-NAME-2/, I'll never forget this lady and 720.3734 576 LES_int_01 720.7456 Really? 721.0800 577 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 721.3241 she was the sweetest lady. Like 722.8354 578 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 722.8354 (pause 0.46) 723.2992 579 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 723.2992 her and her two kids. 724.5075 580 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 724.5075 (pause 0.22) 724.7272 581 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 724.7272 Like. I'll never forget them, like they used to always come every Friday and bring cookies and 729.5550 582 LES_int_01 729.7441 Oh, that's [sweet.] 730.7432 583 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 730.5662 [things] like that. 731.5060 584 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 731.6585 And 732.0674 585 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 732.0674 (pause 0.15) 732.2199 586 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 732.2199 that's like in seventy-nine. It was a good teacher out there, I'll never forget 735.9090 587 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 735.9090 (pause 0.15) 736.0616 588 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 736.0616 [who- who] cared. 736.9159 589 LES_int_01 736.0616 [Right.] 736.5253 590 LES_int_01 737.1651 It's kind of a rare thing to find. 739.2582 591 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 739.4657 R- really were. 740.1369 592 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 740.1369 (pause 0.18) 740.3200 593 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 740.3200 Really. 740.7119 594 LES_int_01 740.8828 Yeah. 741.3160 595 LES_int_01 741.3160 (pause 0.46) 741.7737 596 LES_int_01 741.7737 Yeah. So did you- were you into school? Or. 744.5756 597 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 745.2164 Um. 745.7961 598 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 745.7961 (pause 0.48) 746.2781 599 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 746.2781 I was more 747.1813 600 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 747.1813 (pause 0.76) 747.9440 601 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 747.9440 /flamboyish/ 748.9778 602 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 748.9778 (pause 0.12) 749.0938 603 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 749.0938 than anything. 749.9050 604 LES_int_01 750.0396 Mm-hm. 750.5467 605 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 750.7969 Um. 751.2668 606 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 751.2668 (pause 1.89) 753.1530 607 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 753.1530 Me and school really didn't cut it. 754.7700 608 LES_int_01 755.2887 Yeah. 755.5267 609 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 755.9538 Um. 756.5702 610 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 756.5702 (pause 1.70) 758.2666 611 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 758.2666 As we keep talking, you definitely gonna find out some things about me like, one of the things, I had a, um 762.9797 612 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 762.9797 (pause 0.63) 763.6143 613 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 763.6143 a reading problem. 764.4869 614 LES_int_01 764.8225 Mm-hm. Okay. 765.7022 615 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 765.8304 And 766.4650 616 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 766.4650 (pause 0.58) 767.0447 617 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 767.0447 By having a reading problem and being popular, 769.8202 618 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 769.8202 (pause 0.51) 770.3327 619 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 770.3327 in the late seventies, early eighty 772.1277 620 LES_int_01 772.2742 Yeah. 772.6098 621 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 773.2008 it's always gonna, um, crash. 775.0315 622 LES_int_01 775.3000 [Yeah.] 775.7942 623 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 775.4952 [They] don't go hand in hand. 776.5821 624 LES_int_01 776.9116 Right. 777.3021 625 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 777.5645 And 778.0298 626 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 778.0298 (pause 1.38) 779.4089 627 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 779.4089 I chose 780.2327 628 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 780.2327 (pause 1.20) 781.4348 629 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 781.4348 to be popular 782.3623 630 LES_int_01 782.8139 Yeah. 783.1556 631 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 783.3142 over 783.8401 632 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 783.8401 (pause 0.11) 783.9499 633 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 783.9499 knowledge. 784.6334 634 LES_int_01 785.0971 Okay. 785.3473 635 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 785.8843 And by me choosing that, 787.3427 636 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 787.3427 (pause 1.70) 789.0391 637 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 789.0391 it- it- it hurted me 790.1548 638 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 790.1548 (pause 0.66) 790.8138 639 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 790.8138 in the long run. 791.5522 640 LES_int_01 791.8024 Yeah. 792.2539 641 LES_int_01 792.2539 (pause 0.29) 792.5407 642 LES_int_01 792.5407 Yeah. 792.7909 643 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 792.8641 So, it's like, I regret a lot of things 795.2985 644 LES_int_01 795.5365 Right. 795.9392 645 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 797.0010 from back then [to now.] 798.1055 646 LES_int_01 797.7672 [Yeah. So] you dropped out of school at some point? 799.5920 647 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 799.5981 Um. 800.1778 648 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 800.1778 (pause 0.61) 800.7880 649 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 800.7880 I got pushed through school 802.1111 650 LES_int_01 802.5139 Oh. [Okay.] 803.2034 651 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 802.9227 [all] my life. 803.8075 652 LES_int_01 803.8746 Really? 804.2469 653 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 804.4605 In the seventies and eighties, it was all about 806.8003 654 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 806.8003 (pause 0.24) 807.0444 655 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 807.0444 attendance. 807.8499 656 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 807.8499 (pause 0.27) 808.1184 657 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 808.1184 You show up, and you're gonna pass. 809.8392 658 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 809.8392 (pause 0.56) 810.3983 659 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 810.3983 That was the motto 811.3625 660 LES_int_01 811.7225 Right. 811.9422 661 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 812.5280 and that's what I remember all my life. We'd show up 815.1953 662 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 815.1953 (pause 0.43) 815.6286 663 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 815.6286 and pass. And of course, I showed up, cause I'm popular, I always had money, dressed good, 820.5347 664 LES_int_01 820.5347 See [your friends.] 821.6243 665 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 820.9862 [know everybody.] 821.9406 666 LES_int_01 821.9524 Yeah. 822.4030 667 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 822.6276 And 823.0256 668 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 823.0256 (pause 0.48) 823.5015 669 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 823.5015 just show up to get passed. 825.0820 670 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 825.0820 (pause 0.90) 825.9790 671 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 825.9790 and that's what I did. 826.8442 672 LES_int_01 827.0211 Right. 827.3506 673 LES_int_01 827.3506 (pause 0.20) 827.5459 674 LES_int_01 827.5459 Right. 827.7595 675 LES_int_01 827.7595 (pause 0.33) 828.0890 676 LES_int_01 828.0890 But, you weren't necessarily 829.2782 677 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 829.6993 [Uh.] 830.1081 678 LES_int_01 829.7664 [getting] anything out of it. 830.8953 679 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 830.9441 I was um, book smart and all that, 833.0725 680 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 833.0725 (pause 0.12) 833.1946 681 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 833.1946 not- it wasn't coming from school. 834.7628 682 LES_int_01 835.3282 Yeah. 835.6028 683 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 836.3045 And uh, I self taught myself different ways. Like, I became more street smart than school smart. 841.5190 684 LES_int_01 841.9105 Right. 842.1790 685 LES_int_01 842.1790 (pause 0.98) 843.1553 686 LES_int_01 843.1553 Right. 843.4543 687 LES_int_01 843.4543 (pause 0.32) 843.7777 688 LES_int_01 843.7777 So, did you go on to high school? 844.8496 689 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 845.3561 Um. I did make it to high school. I still got pushed all the way to 849.5789 690 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 849.5789 (pause 0.37) 849.9512 691 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 849.9512 the tenth grade. 850.8700 692 LES_int_01 851.0531 Yeah. 851.3094 693 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 851.8219 I went to one of the best high schools in New York City. I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 854.9091 694 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 854.9091 (pause 0.73) 855.6413 695 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 855.6413 /RD-SCHOOL-7/. [It's located] on /RD-ADDRESS-3/ 858.7015 696 LES_int_01 857.0209 [Oh.] 857.6372 697 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 858.8386 between /RD-ADDRESS-3/ Avenue. 860.3161 698 LES_int_01 860.6759 [Huh.] 860.9172 699 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 860.7511 [Across] the street from 862.0217 700 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 862.7112 um 863.1444 701 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 863.1444 (pause 0.12) 863.2604 702 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 863.2604 Park West 864.0232 703 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 864.0232 (pause 0.17) 864.1940 704 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 864.1940 High School. 864.8042 705 LES_int_01 864.8653 Okay. 865.1887 706 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 865.6646 And in eighty-five, 867.3087 707 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 867.3087 (pause 0.54) 867.8457 708 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 867.8457 you had to have a eighty-five a- 869.3529 709 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 869.3529 (pause 0.70) 870.0486 710 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 870.0486 average to get into that school. 871.6596 711 LES_int_01 871.8060 Okay. 872.1379 712 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 872.3210 Something I did not have. 873.6147 713 LES_int_01 873.9259 Right. 874.2127 714 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 874.4445 But, 874.7130 715 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 874.7130 (pause 0.93) 875.6430 716 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 875.6430 if you get a ninety-eight percent 877.2539 717 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 877.2539 (pause 0.69) 877.9435 718 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 877.9435 attendance, 878.7307 719 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 878.7307 (pause 0.97) 879.7049 720 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 879.7049 at that point, you was going somewhere. 881.3769 721 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 881.3769 (pause 0.96) 882.3410 722 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 882.3410 [And that's] how I wind up going to 884.3404 723 LES_int_01 882.3410 [Okay.] 882.9430 724 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 884.6455 /RD-SCHOOL-7/ 886.0098 725 LES_int_01 886.1684 Oh, cool. 886.6932 726 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 886.9068 And. 887.3400 727 LES_int_01 887.6024 How did you like it? 888.3103 728 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 889.0181 Um. Again, it's all about 890.7905 729 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 890.7905 (pause 1.01) 891.7974 730 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 891.7974 the popularity. 892.7920 731 LES_int_01 893.1276 Yeah. 893.3717 732 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 893.3717 Um. 893.8477 733 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 894.0658 One of my best friends used to go there and 896.2700 734 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 896.2700 (pause 1.84) 898.1115 735 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 898.1115 it's all about um 899.1732 736 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 899.1732 (pause 0.31) 899.4845 737 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 899.4845 the dressing. Oh, again, it came down to the dress and the money always played a /rolled/ in my life, I always had it. 904.6889 738 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 904.6889 (pause 0.91) 905.5981 739 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 905.5981 And two, I met a park called Hell's Kitchen. 908.2565 740 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 908.2565 (pause 0.38) 908.6409 741 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 908.6409 On Fourty-eighth Street and Tenth Avenue. 910.3801 742 LES_int_01 910.5388 Yeah. 910.8500 743 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 911.5151 And 912.0399 744 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 912.0399 (pause 0.12) 912.1620 745 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 912.1620 once you got- 912.7324 746 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 912.7324 (pause 0.09) 912.8179 747 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 912.8179 once I got introduced to Hell Kitchen in nineteen eighty-eight, 915.5951 748 LES_int_01 915.7781 Uh-huh. 916.1748 749 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 917.2915 you could forget about it. [It was three] dollar crack viles. 919.9337 750 LES_int_01 918.2983 [] 918.7499 751 LES_int_01 920.2632 [Yeah.] 920.7476 752 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 920.6683 [And] even if you was making fifty cent a crack vile, 923.1091 753 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 923.2312 in eighty-six, eighty-seven, 925.0130 754 LES_int_01 925.2876 [Yeah.] 925.7012 755 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 925.5744 [you] still coming home with fifty cent PC, you still coming home with close to four, five hundred dollars a night. 930.6017 756 LES_int_01 931.1631 Jesus. 931.7123 757 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 931.8099 So, 932.2676 758 LES_int_01 933.3485 Ha- it's hard to- hard to pass up. 935.0022 759 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 935.0816 it was hard to pass up. 936.1677 760 LES_int_01 936.2776 Right. 936.5949 761 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 936.6788 And I chose to 937.9359 762 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 937.9359 (pause 0.12) 938.0579 763 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 938.0579 start dipping and dabbing into that and 940.4561 764 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 940.4561 (pause 1.30) 941.7551 765 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 941.7551 I wasn't getting no knowledge out of school [it was] more uh, more I'm being embarrassed a- uh, not- 946.9566 766 LES_int_01 943.6712 [Right.] 943.9763 767 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 947.2129 not wanting to get embarrassed in front of 949.3310 768 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 949.3310 (pause 0.09) 949.4165 769 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 949.4165 nobody. 950.0206 770 LES_int_01 950.1304 Right. 950.4843 771 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 950.8077 Than anything else. 951.6559 772 LES_int_01 951.7658 Right. Right. 952.4736 773 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 953.6025 So, it was. 954.2555 774 LES_int_01 954.6155 So, okay. So you- so you left school. 956.6876 775 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 957.1392 Yeah. 957.5236 776 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 957.5236 (pause 0.23) 957.7555 777 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 957.7555 [I.] 957.9325 778 LES_int_01 957.7555 [And] uh, and you were 959.5678 779 LES_int_01 959.9718 hanging out in Hell's Kitchen. 961.1556 780 LES_int_01 961.1556 (pause 0.10) 961.2593 781 LES_int_01 961.2593 How long'd you do that for? 962.2662 782 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 962.6750 Um. I was in Hell Kitchen for like 964.5972 783 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 964.5972 (pause 1.24) 965.8349 784 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 965.8349 probably a year or so. 967.0309 785 LES_int_01 967.1164 Mm-hm. 967.5618 786 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 967.8913 I didn't make a career of Hell Kitchen, I wi- I go- I always get in and get out 971.7012 787 LES_int_01 972.1295 Right. 972.4712 788 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 972.7236 quickly. 973.2972 789 LES_int_01 973.4864 Yeah. 973.7854 790 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 974.0051 And 974.6031 791 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 974.6031 (pause 1.09) 975.6953 792 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 975.6953 I just started doing f- doing for my self after that. 978.4415 793 LES_int_01 978.7893 Yeah. 979.0761 794 LES_int_01 979.0761 (pause 0.90) 979.9732 795 LES_int_01 979.9732 So, what were you doing? 980.6770 796 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 981.3604 Um. 982.1598 797 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 982.1598 (pause 1.67) 983.8271 798 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 983.8271 I was making ends meet by 986.0557 799 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 986.0557 (pause 0.96) 987.0138 800 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 987.0138 hustling. 987.6290 801 LES_int_01 987.7999 Mm-hm. 988.2393 802 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 988.4223 And 988.9227 803 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 988.9227 (pause 1.09) 990.0150 804 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 990.0150 I'm a middle. 990.5825 805 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 990.5825 (pause 0.63) 991.2110 806 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 991.2110 When I say I'm a middle man, 992.4476 807 LES_int_01 992.5635 Yeah. 992.8565 808 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 992.9114 I'm a middle man for uh, 994.4308 809 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 994.4308 (pause 0.26) 994.6871 810 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 994.6871 half the world. 995.4381 811 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 995.4381 (pause 0.18) 995.6150 812 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 995.6150 [I] 995.8286 813 LES_int_01 995.6150 [] 996.5792 814 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 996.1032 [know I] know half the world. 997.2138 815 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 997.9460 And 998.4159 816 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 998.4159 (pause 0.15) 998.5685 817 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 998.5685 order to be a middle man, you'll- you'll 1000.2228 818 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1000.2228 (pause 0.15) 1000.3754 819 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1000.3754 credi- your street credibility 1002.1038 820 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1002.1038 (pause 0.89) 1002.9947 821 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1002.9947 hafta be 1003.6537 822 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1003.6537 (pause 0.10) 1003.7575 823 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1003.7575 up to par. 1004.4165 824 LES_int_01 1004.9413 [Mm-hm.] 1005.3135 825 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1005.0633 [It gotta-] you gotta have a 1006.3936 826 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1007.2921 um, 1007.8230 827 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1007.8230 (pause 0.56) 1008.3844 828 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1008.3844 it's bigger than a credit- 1009.8184 829 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1009.8184 (pause 0.14) 1009.9587 830 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1009.9587 a credit score. A [twenty-four hundred.] 1012.3081 831 LES_int_01 1011.7589 [] 1013.0403 832 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1013.0403 It's like your- your- ks- it's all you- a- all a man have in the street is his word 1017.3126 833 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1018.2584 and his balls. 1019.0836 834 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1019.0836 (pause 0.16) 1019.2467 835 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1019.2467 Excuse my French. 1020.1864 836 LES_int_01 1020.2657 Oh, it's fine. 1020.7478 837 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1020.9309 And you can't break them for nothing. 1022.6212 838 LES_int_01 1022.7880 Right. 1023.1969 839 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1023.7705 And that's why I'm still t- today 1025.6871 840 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1025.6871 (pause 0.90) 1026.5841 841 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1026.5841 two thousand eight, I'm still cons- 1028.2439 842 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1028.2439 (pause 0.45) 1028.6893 843 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1028.6893 consider myself 1029.5358 844 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1029.5358 (pause 0.44) 1029.9752 845 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1029.9752 very wa- 1030.5915 846 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1030.5915 (pause 0.29) 1030.8783 847 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1030.8783 very well connected 1032.0277 848 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1032.0277 (pause 0.46) 1032.4853 849 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1032.4853 in- in the communities. 1033.6692 850 LES_int_01 1033.7363 So, how do you achieve that? How do you- 1035.8598 851 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1036.6104 Um. [I.] 1037.1962 852 LES_int_01 1036.9887 [like] what do you have that makes you you? 1038.4893 853 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1038.9230 I have [my people] person [skills.] 1041.1748 854 LES_int_01 1039.5394 [Do you know?] 1040.1252 855 LES_int_01 1040.1252 (pause 0.90) 1041.0222 856 LES_int_01 1041.0222 [Mm-hm.] 1041.4921 857 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1041.8545 And my word, 1042.7794 858 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1042.7794 (pause 0.11) 1042.8925 859 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1042.8925 meaning 1043.4927 860 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1043.4927 (pause 0.21) 1043.7042 861 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1043.7042 I never never did nobody dirty. 1045.8540 862 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1045.8540 (pause 0.57) 1046.4198 863 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1046.4198 Like, 1046.7691 864 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1046.7691 (pause 0.62) 1047.3938 865 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1047.3938 I'd'a hafta 1048.3858 866 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1048.3858 (pause 0.48) 1048.8679 867 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1048.8679 jump- 1049.2517 868 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1049.2517 (pause 0.22) 1049.4681 869 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1049.4681 m- m- me, uh another person 1051.8836 870 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1051.8836 (pause 0.34) 1052.2279 871 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1052.2279 would never have to jump one person. I always like 1054.9220 872 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1054.9220 (pause 0.25) 1055.1729 873 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1055.1729 fight 1055.3894 874 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1055.3894 (pause 0.14) 1055.5321 875 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1055.5321 one-on-one. 1056.4077 876 LES_int_01 1056.7767 Okay. 1057.1555 877 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1057.4703 No- no jumping. If you can beat this person, fight this person. You don't [gotta] beat 'em up with a stick, bat, things like that, um. 1063.9062 878 LES_int_01 1060.9594 [Yeah.] 1061.2511 879 LES_int_01 1064.1521 Yeah. 1064.4719 880 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1064.5506 I never got caught hustling or selling drugs 1067.7036 881 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1067.7036 (pause 0.74) 1068.4415 882 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1068.4415 and rolled over and been like, it wasn't me, it was the next person. 1071.7298 883 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1071.7298 (pause 0.91) 1072.6382 884 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1072.6382 It's about [holding your water.] 1074.0122 885 LES_int_01 1073.1596 [You weren't /inaudible/ about] anybody [else.] 1074.7339 886 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1074.4288 [It's sort of] like a Bounty Towel. 1075.8260 887 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1076.2048 When they pour the water in, it's supposed to hold. 1078.3201 888 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1078.3201 (pause 0.50) 1078.8153 889 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1078.8153 And sort of like a person. 1079.9713 890 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1079.9713 (pause 0.12) 1080.0894 891 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1080.0894 You sposta hold your water without leaking it. 1081.9785 892 LES_int_01 1082.2195 Right. 1082.7361 893 LES_int_01 1082.7361 (pause 0.12) 1082.8591 894 LES_int_01 1082.8591 [Right.] 1083.2428 895 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1082.8640 [And.] 1083.2133 896 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1083.6462 It's just things like that and 1085.2187 897 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1085.2187 (pause 1.33) 1086.5518 898 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1086.5518 it's all about the who's and the what's, [and] who's who, and what's what, and. 1090.4235 899 LES_int_01 1088.4606 [Yeah.] 1088.7656 900 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1090.8792 By you knowing who's who and what's what, 1092.7486 901 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1092.7486 (pause 0.90) 1093.6440 902 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1093.6440 without letting the next people who 1095.5822 903 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1095.5822 (pause 0.21) 1095.7888 904 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1095.7888 supposed to been who who and this and that, 1098.1189 905 LES_int_01 1098.2124 Yeah. 1098.5814 906 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1098.6109 knowing about the next person. 1100.1015 907 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1100.1015 (pause 0.70) 1100.8049 908 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1100.8049 It's- it's- it's a lot of things about the streets, like 1103.0760 909 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1103.0760 (pause 0.14) 1103.2187 910 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1103.2187 what make you that 1104.0845 911 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1104.0845 (pause 0.53) 1104.6146 912 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1104.6146 street credibility. 1105.7423 913 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1105.7423 (pause 0.21) 1105.9490 914 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1105.9490 To give you that k- street 1106.8148 915 LES_int_01 1106.8148 Right. 1107.1296 916 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1107.1296 credibility 1107.8134 917 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1108.0889 record. 1108.3989 918 LES_int_01 1109.0765 Yeah, yeah. 1109.6570 919 LES_int_01 1109.6570 (pause 0.29) 1109.9472 920 LES_int_01 1109.9472 That makes sense. 1110.9660 921 LES_int_01 1110.9660 (pause 1.67) 1112.6333 922 LES_int_01 1112.6333 Um. 1113.5778 923 LES_int_01 1113.5778 (pause 1.78) 1115.3569 924 LES_int_01 1115.3569 I have other questions. 1116.4638 925 LES_int_01 1116.4638 (pause 0.42) 1116.8819 926 LES_int_01 1116.8819 So, 1117.9150 927 LES_int_01 1117.9150 (pause 1.98) 1119.8976 928 LES_int_01 1119.8976 what- 1120.1189 929 LES_int_01 1120.1189 (pause 0.17) 1120.2911 930 LES_int_01 1120.2911 You also did modeling? 1121.2339 931 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1121.9177 Um. I did 1122.9115 932 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1122.9115 (pause 0.38) 1123.2952 933 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1123.2952 one or two pictures of modeling 1125.3023 934 LES_int_01 1125.4351 Uh-huh. 1125.8435 935 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1125.8681 back in the day for- 1127.2111 936 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1127.2111 (pause 0.19) 1127.3963 937 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1127.3963 for um, 1128.1014 938 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1128.1014 (pause 0.10) 1128.2047 939 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1128.2047 some designer. They saw me and 1130.6546 940 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1130.6546 (pause 0.59) 1131.2400 941 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1131.2400 I made the front 1132.0616 942 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1132.0616 (pause 0.11) 1132.1698 943 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1132.1698 co- me- I made uh, 1133.4572 944 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1133.4572 (pause 0.49) 1133.9491 945 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1133.9491 Fader 1134.5985 946 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1134.5985 (pause 0.45) 1135.0528 947 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1135.0528 It came out in Fader Magazine 1136.6320 948 LES_int_01 1136.6320 So cool. 1137.2617 949 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1137.7881 with Snoop Dogg on the front cover, [so.] 1139.5542 950 LES_int_01 1139.3672 [Yeah.] 1139.6771 951 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1139.6771 I was kind of [excited cause] 1141.0776 952 LES_int_01 1140.3889 [That's very exciting. ] 1142.7325 953 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1141.7535 [that's it went everywhere.] So. 1143.2785 954 LES_int_01 1143.7065 Yeah. 1144.1296 955 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1144.1837 And again, my 1144.8232 956 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1144.8232 (pause 0.18) 1144.9986 957 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1144.9986 face expression, 1146.3760 958 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1146.3760 (pause 0.22) 1146.5974 959 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1146.5974 since birth 1147.2468 960 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1147.2468 (pause 0.12) 1147.3698 961 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1147.3698 is always the same. 1148.4324 962 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1148.4324 (pause 0.44) 1148.8751 963 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1148.8751 And that's how everybody in the world 1150.6461 964 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1150.6461 (pause 0.66) 1151.3036 965 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1151.3036 still remember me. And [when I say] everybody in the world, like 1153.9208 966 LES_int_01 1152.4449 [Yeah.] 1152.8040 967 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1154.2602 I grew up with a LL Cool ki- 1155.7852 968 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1155.7852 (pause 0.13) 1155.9131 969 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1155.9131 a LLCool J. 1157.1609 970 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1157.1609 (pause 0.53) 1157.6873 971 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1157.6873 a Busta Rhymes, a Audio Two, 1159.9491 972 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1159.9491 (pause 0.07) 1160.0161 973 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1160.0161 [a Kid 'n Play.] 1161.0768 974 LES_int_01 1160.0241 [Yeah.] 1160.3340 975 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1161.5621 I mean, I was in the club scene since nineteen eighty-three. 1164.2137 976 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1164.2137 (pause 0.28) 1164.4892 977 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1164.4892 [That's] thirteen years old, I made my debut at the world. 1167.2933 978 LES_int_01 1164.4892 [Right.] 1164.7794 979 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1167.4681 down the block on Houston [Street.] 1168.9199 980 LES_int_01 1168.7674 [/?/ you were] doing what? 1169.5053 981 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1170.1694 Um. 1170.5384 982 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1170.5384 (pause 0.40) 1170.9369 983 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1170.9369 Night clubbing at thirteen years old. 1172.9686 984 LES_int_01 1172.9686 Uh-huh. [Ah.] Uh-huh. 1174.4297 985 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1173.4851 [And.] 1174.0952 986 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1174.0952 (pause 0.33) 1174.4297 987 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1174.4297 Uh. I- I- I started clubbing 1176.0317 988 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1176.1694 at thirteen, and 1177.3993 989 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1177.3993 (pause 0.67) 1178.0683 990 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1178.0683 we sposta been twenty 1179.1801 991 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1179.1801 (pause 0.20) 1179.3818 992 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1179.3818 twenty-one still. [And] 1180.5962 993 LES_int_01 1180.3018 [Sure.] [] 1181.6669 994 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1181.1122 [in eighty-three,] 1182.1347 995 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1183.0940 uh, I done did it all. 1184.4763 996 LES_int_01 1184.6584 Yeah, yeah. 1185.5143 997 LES_int_01 1185.5143 (pause 0.61) 1186.1194 998 LES_int_01 1186.1194 So, okay, so you're 1187.5461 999 LES_int_01 1187.5461 (pause 0.09) 1187.6400 1000 LES_int_01 1187.6400 you are involved in you know, s- s- 1189.2585 1001 LES_int_01 1189.2585 (pause 0.13) 1189.3913 1002 LES_int_01 1189.3913 the drug culture, and the hustling and all this 1191.6740 1003 LES_int_01 1191.6740 (pause 0.14) 1191.8117 1004 LES_int_01 1191.8117 this kind of stuff. I mean, do you ever 1193.5465 1005 LES_int_01 1193.5465 (pause 0.41) 1193.9549 1006 LES_int_01 1193.9549 get in some tough situations where you were, you know, worried about your life or 1198.8482 1007 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1199.3647 [Uh.] 1199.5566 1008 LES_int_01 1199.3647 [or] felt like your life was in danger? 1200.8508 1009 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1201.3346 Um. 1202.0036 1010 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1202.0036 (pause 1.40) 1203.4057 1011 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1203.4057 I pretty much never got in no 1205.1718 1012 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1205.1718 (pause 0.90) 1206.0752 1013 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1206.0752 tough situations, because one, 1207.9889 1014 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1207.9889 (pause 1.94) 1209.9320 1015 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1209.9320 uh- u- u- uh, to be 1211.4768 1016 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1211.4768 (pause 0.79) 1212.2671 1017 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1212.2671 a hundred and thirty-seven pounds, 1214.2004 1018 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1214.2004 (pause 0.90) 1215.0957 1019 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1215.0957 all your life, 1215.9714 1020 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1215.9714 (pause 1.05) 1217.0192 1021 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1217.0192 and fighting guys 1218.2523 1022 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1218.2523 (pause 0.31) 1218.5671 1023 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1218.5671 two hundred and ten, 1219.6396 1024 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1219.6396 (pause 0.33) 1219.9741 1025 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1219.9741 six feet, 1220.7563 1026 LES_int_01 1221.3417 Right. 1221.8140 1027 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1222.1190 and making a- a- a- a re- 1223.5702 1028 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1223.5702 (pause 0.13) 1223.6964 1029 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1223.6964 a- a- r- a reputation for yourself, like 1226.0233 1030 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1226.0233 (pause 0.22) 1226.2447 1031 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1226.2447 like he ain't gonna run. He gonna fight regardless, son. He don't care how big or small you are. 1230.0416 1032 LES_int_01 1230.2039 Yeah. 1230.4893 1033 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1231.3140 That helps your 1232.1355 1034 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1232.1355 (pause 0.24) 1232.3717 1035 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1232.3717 you skreet credibility also. 1234.2952 1036 LES_int_01 1234.2634 Do you always stay to fight? 1235.6382 1037 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1236.0367 E- It's not me always staying to fight. Every fight I got into, 1239.1785 1038 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1239.1785 (pause 0.75) 1239.9311 1039 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1239.9311 at a hundred and thirty, hundred thirty-seven pounds, 1242.1252 1040 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1242.1252 (pause 0.11) 1242.2335 1041 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1242.2335 I wound up fighting 1243.2254 1042 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1243.2254 (pause 1.37) 1244.5931 1043 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1244.5931 the ring leader of the next crew, 1246.3641 1044 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1246.3641 (pause 0.24) 1246.6051 1045 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1246.6051 [or the] biggest one out of the crew. 1248.2876 1046 LES_int_01 1246.6051 [Yeah.] 1246.9607 1047 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1248.8516 Just cause I was the oldest. 1250.3766 1048 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1250.3766 (pause 0.20) 1250.5783 1049 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1250.5783 I 1250.7357 1050 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1250.7357 (pause 0.55) 1251.2867 1051 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1251.2867 being the- 1251.6458 1052 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1251.6458 (pause 0.28) 1251.9213 1053 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1251.9213 the oldest 1252.7478 1054 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1252.7478 (pause 0.43) 1253.1807 1055 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1253.1807 and the littlest, 1254.0564 1056 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1254.0564 (pause 0.95) 1255.0090 1057 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1255.0090 I always step to the plate. 1256.1798 1058 LES_int_01 1256.3471 Yeah. 1256.6865 1059 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1256.6865 And 1257.0653 1060 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1258.3099 fighting the biggest guys. 1259.7218 1061 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1259.7218 (pause 0.11) 1259.8350 1062 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1259.8350 And 1260.2580 1063 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1260.2580 (pause 0.14) 1260.4007 1064 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1260.4007 after [fighting them.] 1261.3681 1065 LES_int_01 1260.7679 [And what happens?] 1261.7223 1066 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1262.1552 Um. 1262.6127 1067 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1262.6127 (pause 0.38) 1262.9964 1068 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1262.9964 A, 1263.3851 1069 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1263.3851 (pause 0.81) 1264.1919 1070 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1264.1919 I do what I have to do with them, 1265.7612 1071 LES_int_01 1265.9186 Yeah? 1266.3761 1072 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1266.6319 and 1267.0680 1073 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1267.0680 (pause 0.90) 1267.9634 1074 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1267.9634 shake hands, never jump 'em 1269.7196 1075 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1269.7196 (pause 0.72) 1270.4378 1076 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1270.4378 after the fight is over. 1271.6136 1077 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1271.6136 (pause 0.95) 1272.5685 1078 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1272.5685 It's never, it never could t- 1273.8999 1079 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1273.8999 (pause 0.09) 1273.9934 1080 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1273.9934 escalated to I'm gonna get my guns. Uh. 1276.3744 1081 LES_int_01 1276.5564 [Right.] 1276.8322 1082 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1276.5761 [Anything] else like that, cause, like I said, I'm a people person. I knew half the world. 1280.3533 1083 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1280.7312 And when I did have a fight, 1282.1529 1084 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1282.1529 (pause 0.33) 1282.4874 1085 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1282.4874 it was for a reason. 1283.3680 1086 LES_int_01 1283.6681 Okay. 1284.0124 1087 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1284.2419 And 1284.6847 1088 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1284.6847 (pause 0.56) 1285.2406 1089 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1285.2406 everybody I fought was somebody in the streets, somebody who 1288.2267 1090 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1288.2267 (pause 0.39) 1288.6202 1091 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1288.6202 was somebody. 1289.3188 1092 LES_int_01 1289.5451 [Yeah.] 1289.8747 1093 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1289.6927 [Like] either they had they own drugs, 1291.4497 1094 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1291.8309 uh, they was big in this 1293.0804 1095 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1293.0804 (pause 0.22) 1293.2969 1096 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1293.2969 situation and 1294.2759 1097 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1294.2759 (pause 0.46) 1294.7383 1098 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1294.7383 by me fighting them, made their littler people 1296.9060 1099 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1296.9060 (pause 0.34) 1297.2455 1100 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1297.2455 look at me different. Like, wow. 1298.7508 1101 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1298.7508 (pause 0.22) 1298.9722 1102 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1298.9722 That's Big Shot, like he fought them. 1300.7137 1103 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1300.7137 (pause 0.32) 1301.0384 1104 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1301.0384 He had a fight was /RD-NAME-2/. 1302.5231 1105 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1302.5231 (pause 0.21) 1302.7358 1106 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1302.7358 And /RD-NAME-2/ sposta been 1303.8506 1107 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1303.8506 (pause 0.53) 1304.3770 1108 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1304.3770 as we speak now, /RD-NAME-2/ is one of the biggest 1306.5661 1109 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1306.5661 (pause 0.93) 1307.5008 1110 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1307.5008 /RD-NAME-1/ in- in- in the jail system as we speak today, like 1310.8591 1111 LES_int_01 1310.8886 Yeah. 1311.2477 1112 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1311.5724 he's Puerto Rican, and he got 1313.2057 1113 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1313.2057 (pause 0.18) 1313.3877 1114 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1313.3877 thousand of kids under his title. 1315.2553 1115 LES_int_01 1315.7276 Jesus. 1316.4360 1116 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1316.4360 And 1316.8099 1117 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1316.9378 I had- that's the [last.] 1317.9358 1118 LES_int_01 1317.6708 [In] this neighborhood? 1318.4973 1119 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1318.8564 Um. 1319.3188 1120 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1319.3188 (pause 0.09) 1319.4123 1121 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1319.4123 He was in this neighborhood, growing up in the Avenue D. 1321.9244 1122 LES_int_01 1322.0769 Yeah. 1322.4557 1123 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1322.6771 And he got a asshole full of time right now. 1325.1565 1124 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1325.1565 (pause 0.11) 1325.2696 1125 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1325.2696 I think he's never gonna touch 1326.7043 1126 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1326.7043 (pause 0.25) 1326.9552 1127 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1326.9552 the streets again in his life. 1328.2589 1128 LES_int_01 1328.3524 Wow. 1328.8394 1129 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1328.9870 And, if I'm thirty-eight, 1330.5268 1130 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1330.5268 (pause 0.26) 1330.7875 1131 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1330.7875 MK gotta be thirty-seven, thirty-eight [also.] 1333.2431 1132 LES_int_01 1333.1398 [Kay- okay.] 1333.8383 1133 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1333.4890 [And,] it's kind of sad. 1334.5025 1134 LES_int_01 1334.8025 Yeah. 1335.3142 1135 LES_int_01 1335.3142 (pause 0.15) 1335.4617 1136 LES_int_01 1335.4617 That's really sad. 1336.1702 1137 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1337.2426 But, um. [That's.] 1338.2559 1138 LES_int_01 1337.7689 [Did you ever] se- spend anytime? 1339.1020 1139 LES_int_01 1339.2496 Did you ever get taken in for [anything?] 1340.5619 1140 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1340.1684 [Um.] 1340.7074 1141 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1340.7644 I spent time in jail, 1342.4810 1142 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1342.4810 (pause 0.41) 1342.8893 1143 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1342.8893 but the time I spent was 1344.1713 1144 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1344.1713 (pause 0.26) 1344.4303 1145 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1344.4303 it's called going through the system. 1345.8045 1146 LES_int_01 1346.0971 Yeah. 1346.4439 1147 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1346.5625 And that's only twenty-four to seventy-two hours, tops. 1349.8684 1148 LES_int_01 1350.1993 Uh-huh. 1350.4567 1149 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1350.4567 And that come from, my M-O is smoking marijuana. 1353.3527 1150 LES_int_01 1353.4625 Uh-huh. 1353.8444 1151 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1354.0552 Like, 1354.4240 1152 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1354.4240 (pause 1.04) 1355.4601 1153 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1355.4601 like, 1355.7630 1154 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1355.7630 (pause 0.38) 1356.1406 1155 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1356.1406 today is um, 1357.2381 1156 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1357.2381 (pause 1.86) 1359.1025 1157 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1359.1025 October thirtieth 1360.1781 1158 LES_int_01 1360.1781 Yeah. 1360.3976 1159 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1360.3976 two thousand eight. 1361.2230 1160 LES_int_01 1361.3986 Yeah. 1361.6576 1161 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1361.6576 And right before I met you, 1363.0230 1162 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1363.9375 some under-covers pulled me over. 1365.7814 1163 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1365.7814 (pause 0.82) 1366.5980 1164 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1366.5980 Now, if they [knew me-] 1368.0013 1165 LES_int_01 1367.3252 [I saw it.] 1367.9750 1166 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1368.3087 if they knew me for all my life, and knew what I'm capable of doing, 1371.5926 1167 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1371.5926 (pause 0.72) 1372.3082 1168 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1372.3082 eight out of ten, 1373.1248 1169 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1373.1248 (pause 0.62) 1373.7423 1170 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1373.7423 I had 1374.2077 1171 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1374.2077 (pause 0.11) 1374.3130 1172 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1374.3130 possession of marijuana on me. 1375.6828 1173 LES_int_01 1375.7970 Right. 1376.2009 1174 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1376.2009 And I definitely did. 1377.1492 1175 LES_int_01 1377.3116 Okay. (laughing) [] 1378.5409 1176 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1378.2380 [But,] it's just how you talk 1379.5535 1177 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1380.1989 [and give] 'em they respect [and just] 1382.1043 1178 LES_int_01 1380.2340 [Yeah.] 1380.7257 1179 LES_int_01 1380.7257 (pause 0.88) 1381.6085 1180 LES_int_01 1381.6085 [Mm-hm.] 1381.9422 1181 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1382.5433 basically look 'em in the eye and just talk to 'em, like, you don't have no right 1385.4541 1182 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1385.4541 (pause 0.48) 1385.9330 1183 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1385.9330 just to run up on me like that. They could pat me down, but 1388.4207 1184 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1388.4207 (pause 1.09) 1389.5139 1185 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1389.5139 again, the famous line they always use, you fit theirs- 1392.0252 1186 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1392.0252 (pause 0.24) 1392.2622 1187 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1392.2622 the prescription 1392.9719 1188 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1392.9719 (pause 0.32) 1393.2880 1189 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1393.2880 of a black man. 1394.0959 1190 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1394.0959 (pause 0.85) 1394.9432 1191 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1394.9432 Man, listen. 1395.5403 1192 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1395.5403 (pause 0.28) 1395.8169 1193 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1395.8169 [Every black] man fit the prescription of a black man. 1398.1025 1194 LES_int_01 1395.9645 [Yeah.] 1396.3772 1195 LES_int_01 1398.2255 Yeah. 1398.6162 1196 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1398.8401 And 1399.3011 1197 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1399.3011 (pause 1.35) 1400.6489 1198 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1400.6489 But, that's what it is [man.] 1401.8811 1199 LES_int_01 1401.4947 [Yeah.] 1401.8503 1200 LES_int_01 1402.1796 That's bullshit. 1403.0141 1201 LES_int_01 1403.0141 (pause 2.06) 1405.0772 1202 LES_int_01 1405.0772 So. 1406.1177 1203 LES_int_01 1406.1177 (pause 0.46) 1406.5787 1204 LES_int_01 1406.5787 So, a- wh- any other important things in your life? Kind of the- 1409.5124 1205 LES_int_01 1409.5124 (pause 0.25) 1409.7626 1206 LES_int_01 1409.7626 that 1410.0524 1207 LES_int_01 1410.0524 (pause 0.26) 1410.3158 1208 LES_int_01 1410.3158 have defined you? 1411.3514 1209 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1412.6114 [Um.] 1413.2002 1210 LES_int_01 1412.9851 [Where] did you- what do you do now with your time? 1414.5524 1211 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1415.1846 What I do now with my time is 1416.9276 1212 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1416.9276 (pause 0.13) 1417.0593 1213 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1417.0593 I'm a father to two, um, [two children.] 1419.5950 1214 LES_int_01 1418.6895 [/Yeah/.] 1419.2877 1215 LES_int_01 1419.7662 Cool. 1420.2272 1216 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1420.2605 Um. My oldest is [fourteen.] 1422.0518 1217 LES_int_01 1421.6698 [Are these] them? 1422.3503 1218 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1422.7630 Yes. These is my daughters. 1424.1532 1219 LES_int_01 1424.1532 Oh, cool! They're both girls? 1426.4273 1220 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1426.4273 Both girls. 1427.3317 1221 LES_int_01 1427.3317 [Amazing.] 1428.2449 1222 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1427.5688 [Um.] 1427.9815 1223 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1428.6576 One is. 1429.8151 1224 LES_int_01 1429.8546 Oh, just watch your mic. 1430.8512 1225 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1431.5932 [So] sorry. 1432.2781 1226 LES_int_01 1431.5932 [You got.] 1431.8610 1227 LES_int_01 1432.3000 No, you're fine. 1432.7917 1228 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1433.3932 The oldest one name is /RD-NAME-2/, she's fourteen. 1435.7141 1229 LES_int_01 1435.7141 Oh my [God.] 1437.2332 1230 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1436.6624 [She go to] /RD-SCHOOL-6/ on /RD-ADDRESS-8/, I believe. 1440.5918 1231 LES_int_01 1440.5271 So cute. 1441.5005 1232 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1441.5005 Straight A student. 1442.7707 1233 LES_int_01 1443.0122 Amazing. 1443.8068 1234 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1444.1580 And the second one name is /RD-NAME-3/, she's fifteen months. 1447.7669 1235 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1447.7669 (pause 1.40) 1449.1702 1236 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1449.1702 And [she's.] 1450.1185 1237 LES_int_01 1449.8815 [Oh.] That is so cute. 1451.4971 1238 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1452.2742 And that's what I do with my time. I'm definitely a father to my t- my- my kids . 1456.6234 1239 LES_int_01 1456.6234 Yeah. 1456.9746 1240 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1457.4883 Um. 1458.0810 1241 LES_int_01 1458.3927 Do they live with their mo- uh, they have separate [moms?] 1460.4290 1242 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1460.2843 [They] have separate moms. [I live w-] 1461.9395 1243 LES_int_01 1461.3644 [/Different/ moms.] 1462.3609 1244 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1462.4927 I live with the baby girl moms as we speak. And I got a step-son named Dylan. 1466.5136 1245 LES_int_01 1466.8736 Okay. 1467.3337 1246 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1467.9338 And 1468.5133 1247 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1468.5133 (pause 1.61) 1470.1202 1248 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1470.1202 God blessed me with the- with these kids. 1472.4970 1249 LES_int_01 1472.4970 Yeah. 1472.9755 1250 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1473.0370 And with the knowledge they both have, 1474.8194 1251 LES_int_01 1475.1531 [That's amazing.] 1475.9872 1252 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1475.3155 [uh.] 1475.5219 1253 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1475.9960 And 1476.4921 1254 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1476.4921 (pause 1.38) 1477.8754 1255 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1477.8754 besides that, um, 1479.0739 1256 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1479.0739 (pause 1.66) 1480.7385 1257 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1480.7385 I'm gonna reach over here for one [second. Just so s- 1482.8371 1258 LES_int_01 1481.7132 [Yeah, yeah, no, you're fine. I just wanna-] 1483.4386 1259 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1482.9688 [to show you something.] 1483.7786 1260 LES_int_01 1483.7239 let me hold it up. 1484.3693 1261 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1484.6020 Kay. 1484.8654 1262 LES_int_01 1485.6717 You're perfect. 1486.3873 1263 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1486.3873 I'm so [sorry.] 1487.1117 1264 LES_int_01 1486.9976 [No,] no, you're fine. 1487.7922 1265 LES_int_01 1488.5122 Sorry about all the cords. 1489.4869 1266 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1489.4868 I kno w 1489.7810 1267 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1490.0576 So, basically, what I do with my time now, 1492.7505 1268 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1492.7505 (pause 0.47) 1493.2246 1269 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1493.2246 um, I was working in a law firm. 1495.0071 1270 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1495.0071 (pause 0.11) 1495.1212 1271 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1495.1212 My first real job I had. 1496.5509 1272 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1496.5509 (pause 1.36) 1497.9075 1273 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1497.9075 The last four years, the professor named /RD-NAME-4/ 1500.9237 1274 LES_int_01 1501.0334 Uh-huh. 1501.3978 1275 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1502.1266 brother, is- was my boss, /RD-NAME-3/ at /RD-WORK-5/, Murphy and /unintelligible/. 1506.5637 1276 LES_int_01 1506.8095 Okay. 1507.1783 1277 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1507.1783 And 1507.6700 1278 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1508.4236 I just got outsourced, 1509.7231 1279 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1509.7231 (pause 0.25) 1509.9734 1280 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1509.9734 so basically, I just focus more 1511.8656 1281 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1511.8656 (pause 0.45) 1512.3178 1282 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1512.3178 [on my] clothes. 1513.3232 1283 LES_int_01 1512.4363 [Oh.] 1512.6690 1284 LES_int_01 1513.4285 Oh cool. [Wait, so, what were you] doing in the law firm? 1515.8461 1285 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1514.1207 [That's my logo.] 1515.0295 1286 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1516.1578 Um. I was in the mail room. I was working [in the mail] room. 1518.9456 1287 LES_int_01 1518.1246 [Uh-huh.] 1518.4968 1288 LES_int_01 1519.2090 Really cool. 1520.0388 1289 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1520.2320 Um. That's my, um, 1521.7583 1290 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1521.7583 (pause 0.34) 1522.1007 1291 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1522.1007 that's my logo. These is my hats, I abouta send out to get done. They be ready in three [weeks.] 1526.5272 1292 LES_int_01 1526.3779 [Very] cool. Sixth Borough. 1528.3184 1293 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1528.4018 L-E-S the Sixth Borough. 1529.6613 1294 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1529.6613 (pause 0.15) 1529.8149 1295 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1529.8149 It's only five boroughs, the reason why I came up with that concept because it's always a question behind it. 1534.4818 1296 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1534.4818 (pause 0.15) 1534.6311 1297 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1534.6311 Everybody always aks, ain't this five [boroughs?] 1536.9404 1298 LES_int_01 1536.9052 [] 1537.7438 1299 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1537.7438 And it is five boroughs, but 1539.3320 1300 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1539.5778 we a borough within a borough. 1541.0178 1301 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1541.0178 (pause 0.71) 1541.7285 1302 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1541.7285 And. 1542.1675 1303 LES_int_01 1542.1675 Why do you think that? 1543.0237 1304 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1543.5768 Cause we so different down here, we so unique. 1545.8131 1305 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1545.8131 (pause 0.47) 1546.2812 1306 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1546.2812 And 1546.7202 1307 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1546.7202 (pause 0.83) 1547.5500 1308 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1547.5500 by saying we unique, it's like 1548.9724 1309 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1548.9724 (pause 0.23) 1549.2036 1310 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1549.2036 we- we have a culture of our own. 1550.9070 1311 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1550.9070 (pause 0.10) 1551.0036 1312 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1551.0036 Like, our dress style and 1552.7641 1313 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1552.7641 (pause 1.05) 1553.8178 1314 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1553.8178 how we just love our borough so much. And how we represent it from the jail cells to the skreet cells and. 1559.2690 1315 LES_int_01 1559.4885 Mm-hm. 1559.9802 1316 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1560.6914 And then you have somebody like a /RD-NAME-2/, who was never a 1563.5524 1317 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1563.5524 (pause 0.21) 1563.7587 1318 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1563.7587 a- a- a king pin as a drug dealer, 1565.9495 1319 LES_int_01 1566.0417 Yeah. 1566.3841 1320 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1567.1377 but always gave back to the community by investing into 1570.6280 1321 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1570.6280 (pause 0.48) 1571.1109 1322 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1571.1109 doing murals, 1572.1295 1323 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1572.1295 (pause 0.28) 1572.4061 1324 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1572.4061 um, 1572.8012 1325 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1572.8012 (pause 0.28) 1573.0763 1326 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1573.0763 m- um, designing clothes. Everything you see from /RD-NAME-2/ is- everything got LES in it. Like, 1578.4917 1327 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1578.4917 (pause 0.40) 1578.8906 1328 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1578.8906 my- my clothes is called L-E- e- my company is called L-E-S the Sixth Borough. 1582.5077 1329 LES_int_01 1582.7052 Okay. 1583.1486 1330 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1583.2013 And my logo is designed with L-E-S the Sixth Borough on it. 1586.3316 1331 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1586.3316 (pause 0.61) 1586.9380 1332 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1586.9380 I have a- a- a book coming out 1589.0541 1333 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1589.0541 (pause 0.44) 1589.4975 1334 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1589.4975 in January, 1590.7438 1335 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1590.7438 (pause 0.29) 1591.0292 1336 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1591.0292 January, February, the latest. 1592.8160 1337 LES_int_01 1592.8527 Yeah. 1593.2040 1338 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1593.5508 And it's called Sleeping in the Rat Hole. 1595.4035 1339 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1595.4035 (pause 0.32) 1595.7219 1340 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1595.7219 It's a low- it's a Alphabet City, L-E-S, the Sixth Borough, 1599.0059 1341 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1599.0059 (pause 0.56) 1599.5651 1342 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1599.5651 state and federal inmates stand up 1601.3739 1343 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1601.3739 (pause 0.87) 1602.2475 1344 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1602.2475 and 1602.6427 1345 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1602.6427 (pause 0.50) 1603.1404 1346 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1603.1404 it's just 1603.6409 1347 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1603.6409 (pause 0.12) 1603.7594 1348 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1603.7594 I don't forget 1604.3960 1349 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1604.3960 (pause 0.65) 1605.0458 1350 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1605.0458 the people who was locked up. 1606.1565 1351 LES_int_01 1606.6043 Okay. 1606.9687 1352 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1606.9687 Cause 1607.2980 1353 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1608.5053 no matter what 1609.2319 1354 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1609.2319 (pause 0.39) 1609.6182 1355 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1609.6182 everybody don't come from a happy home. 1611.3173 1356 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1611.3173 (pause 0.13) 1611.4446 1357 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1611.4446 [And] 1611.8617 1358 LES_int_01 1611.4446 [Yeah.] 1611.8617 1359 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1612.3095 they don't- nobody wanna be in that place. That place is terrible. 1615.0287 1360 LES_int_01 1615.0287 Yeah. 1615.4984 1361 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1615.5687 But, people make 1616.3063 1362 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1616.3063 (pause 0.14) 1616.4467 1363 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1616.4467 the wrong decisions, and I'm just letting them know, 1618.5877 1364 LES_int_01 1618.8116 Yeah. 1619.2199 1365 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1619.2199 I feel your pain. I didn't do no ten days, I didn't do ten years, 1622.5916 1366 LES_int_01 1622.6531 Yeah. 1623.0570 1367 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1623.3555 but I feel your pain. 1624.5151 1368 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1624.5151 (pause 0.22) 1624.7319 1369 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1624.7319 [And.] 1625.0831 1370 LES_int_01 1624.7319 [And that's] happened to 1625.6758 1371 LES_int_01 1625.7723 probably good friends of [yours.] 1627.2036 1372 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1627.1246 [Uh, uh-] I lost a lot of good friends to the system, [and] 1629.4909 1373 LES_int_01 1629.1968 [Yeah.] 1629.7060 1374 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1629.9059 I have a older brother named /RD-NAME-3/, who was locked up since nineteen eighty-one. 1634.0410 1375 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1634.0410 (pause 0.13) 1634.1711 1376 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1634.1711 Can you imagine [that?] 1634.9904 1377 LES_int_01 1634.7594 [Jesus.] 1635.8284 1378 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1635.9031 He spend- he got locked up when he was seventeen 1638.2958 1379 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1638.2958 (pause 0.66) 1638.9562 1380 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1638.9562 and a half. So, 1639.8079 1381 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1639.8079 (pause 0.26) 1640.0669 1382 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1640.0669 since nineteen eighty-one, 1641.4367 1383 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1641.4367 (pause 0.92) 1642.3587 1384 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1642.3587 all the way to now, he's fighting his freedom still, [and.] 1645.1355 1385 LES_int_01 1644.9555 [Still] fighting? 1645.8335 1386 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1645.8862 Still [fighting for his freedom.] 1647.0979 1387 LES_int_01 1646.2945 [Do you think that he'll-] he'll get released at some point? 1648.7311 1388 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1649.2184 His sentence was seventeen years to life, meaning 1651.8712 1389 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1651.8712 (pause 0.42) 1652.2927 1390 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1652.2927 once they add the life on back of the seventeen years, they can hold you 1655.4971 1391 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1655.4971 (pause 0.43) 1655.9229 1392 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1655.9229 until your kids 1656.9585 1393 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1656.9585 (pause 0.37) 1657.3317 1394 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1657.3317 future kids or whatever become 1659.1585 1395 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1659.1585 (pause 0.86) 1660.0234 1396 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1660.0234 [uh, a parole-] a parole officer [or something. Like] 1662.7245 1397 LES_int_01 1660.0234 [Oh, yeah.] 1660.9937 1398 LES_int_01 1660.9937 (pause 1.16) 1662.1582 1399 LES_int_01 1662.1582 [Oh (laughing) right.] 1663.1679 1400 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1663.3918 it's just [insane.] 1664.3076 1401 LES_int_01 1663.9318 [What was] the charge? 1664.9460 1402 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1665.3763 Murder. 1665.8504 1403 LES_int_01 1666.0615 Oh. 1666.5924 1404 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1666.5924 Murder. 1667.1016 1405 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1667.2070 And. 1667.6855 1406 LES_int_01 1667.8524 That's so tough. 1669.0147 1407 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1669.8971 But, um. 1670.6128 1408 LES_int_01 1670.6435 Where is he e- serving his sentence? 1672.4793 1409 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1672.8068 I think he in 1674.1941 1410 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1674.1941 (pause 0.50) 1674.6924 1411 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1674.6924 Green Haven right now, I ain't sure. 1676.6373 1412 LES_int_01 1677.0763 I don't know where that is. 1678.0904 1413 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1678.0904 It's [upstate.] 1678.8631 1414 LES_int_01 1678.6436 [N- Upstate.] 1679.2890 1415 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1679.4558 [Upstate New York.] 1680.2329 1416 LES_int_01 1679.7105 [/And I only know/] like Sing Sing. 1681.4549 1417 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1681.3623 [Yeah.] 1681.7969 1418 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1681.8891 Nah, he's um, he done went to 1683.6277 1419 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1683.6277 (pause 0.63) 1684.2599 1420 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1684.2599 you can imagine. [Twenty something years, he] 1686.2141 1421 LES_int_01 1685.1868 [He's gotten all around, yeah.] 1686.9077 1422 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1686.6707 [He-] 1686.9132 1423 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1687.0844 he- he traveled already, and 1689.0381 1424 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1689.0381 (pause 0.88) 1689.9206 1425 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1689.9206 know, he regret everything now. He's very smart, he's a handy man, but he didn't use the tools he had 1695.3376 1426 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1695.3376 (pause 0.57) 1695.9072 1427 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1695.9072 when he was out. 1696.5438 1428 LES_int_01 1696.9142 Yeah. 1697.3313 1429 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1697.7352 And 1698.2313 1430 LES_int_01 1699.1752 That's really tough. 1699.9084 1431 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1700.7133 Things like that. 1701.4860 1432 LES_int_01 1701.4860 Yeah. Yeah. 1702.4739 1433 LES_int_01 1702.4739 (pause 0.48) 1702.9568 1434 LES_int_01 1702.9568 So, let me ask you a little more about 1704.7963 1435 LES_int_01 1704.7963 (pause 0.53) 1705.3275 1436 LES_int_01 1705.3275 sixth borough. [] 1706.8548 1437 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1706.6309 [Okay.] 1707.1182 1438 LES_int_01 1707.2135 About the neighborhood, so 1708.3453 1439 LES_int_01 1708.3453 (pause 0.41) 1708.7580 1440 LES_int_01 1708.7580 um, I'm always interested in, you know, you've lived here 1711.7104 1441 LES_int_01 1711.7104 (pause 0.54) 1712.2504 1442 LES_int_01 1712.2504 for thirty years or 1713.0319 1443 LES_int_01 1713.0319 (pause 0.14) 1713.1768 1444 LES_int_01 1713.1768 [almost,] 1713.8968 1445 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1713.1987 [Yeah.] 1713.6773 1446 LES_int_01 1714.9900 how you think it's changed in that time. 1717.2767 1447 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1718.9758 Well, when I first hit here, um, 1721.0787 1448 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1721.0787 (pause 0.87) 1721.9480 1449 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1721.9480 I consider myself part of the squatters who was fighting in Thomson Square Park. 1726.0337 1450 LES_int_01 1726.0337 Yeah. 1726.3893 1451 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1726.8151 And 1727.3771 1452 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1727.3771 (pause 2.06) 1729.4394 1453 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1729.4394 that's why, um, 1730.4294 1454 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1730.4294 (pause 1.30) 1731.7289 1455 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1731.7289 I love my community so much, because 1733.8407 1456 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1733.8407 (pause 1.05) 1734.8899 1457 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1734.8899 it was a struggle for everybody who been down here 1737.2936 1458 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1737.2936 (pause 0.56) 1737.8555 1459 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1737.8555 as long as I've been down here. 1739.2473 1460 LES_int_01 1739.2473 Yeah. 1739.5722 1461 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1740.2131 And to see that change 1741.7805 1462 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1741.7805 (pause 1.23) 1743.0103 1463 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1743.0103 happen rapidly, 1744.0684 1464 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1744.0684 (pause 0.46) 1744.5250 1465 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1744.5250 it's a shame. Cause right now, it's like 1746.4523 1466 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1746.4523 (pause 0.88) 1747.3304 1467 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1747.3304 you got 1747.7474 1468 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1747.7474 (pause 0.29) 1748.0416 1469 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1748.0416 everybody flocking in from all parts of the world 1751.0211 1470 LES_int_01 1751.0825 Yeah. 1751.5479 1471 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1751.6664 to this Lower East Side, 1752.8782 1472 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1752.8782 (pause 1.22) 1754.0955 1473 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1754.0955 and think it was like this all his life, 1756.1957 1474 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1756.1957 (pause 0.63) 1756.8235 1475 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1756.8235 but they- little do they know, 1758.1099 1476 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1758.1099 (pause 1.13) 1759.2382 1477 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1759.2382 if you can read the first sentence in my- 1761.1069 1478 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1761.1069 (pause 0.25) 1761.3615 1479 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1761.3615 my [paragraphs.] 1762.4372 1480 LES_int_01 1762.3537 [Yeah.] 1762.6611 1481 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1763.8859 And you tell me what you we- 1765.2469 1482 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1765.2469 (pause 0.22) 1765.4665 1483 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1765.4665 do it make sense or not. 1766.5684 1484 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1766.5684 (pause 5.73) 1772.2944 1485 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1772.2944 Well. 1772.6325 1486 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1772.6325 (pause 0.30) 1772.9310 1487 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1772.9310 It was supposed to be um, 1774.0049 1488 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1774.0049 (pause 1.32) 1775.3220 1489 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1775.3220 I talked about 1776.1518 1490 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1776.1518 (pause 0.09) 1776.2396 1491 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1776.2396 before 1776.9552 1492 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1776.9552 (pause 0.37) 1777.3284 1493 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1777.3284 the Lower East Side had fancy restaurants and art galleries. 1780.3094 1494 LES_int_01 1780.3094 Right. 1780.6255 1495 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1781.3816 I'm talking about bef- 1782.3431 1496 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1782.3431 (pause 0.27) 1782.6109 1497 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1782.6109 when it was nothing but 1783.9675 1498 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1783.9675 (pause 0.40) 1784.3627 1499 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1784.3627 a hole in the wall, save the robots, 1786.6017 1500 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1786.6017 (pause 0.10) 1786.6983 1501 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1786.6983 [a- a- and] MK's and 1788.3830 1502 LES_int_01 1786.6983 [Yeah, yeah.] 1787.5184 1503 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1789.3972 things like that. [It was] none of this 1791.2115 1504 LES_int_01 1790.0876 [Yeah.] 1790.4212 1505 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1792.2783 none of this glamorous- we- what it is now- 1794.7209 1506 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1794.7209 (pause 0.21) 1794.9273 1507 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1794.9273 sugar coated. 1795.7307 1508 LES_int_01 1796.1170 Right. 1796.5078 1509 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1797.0917 So, it's- it's sad, no? [And right now.] 1799.3395 1510 LES_int_01 1798.7688 [Yeah. How] do you feel about that? So, there's a lot of 1801.3903 1511 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1801.6010 [I- I-] 1802.0532 1512 LES_int_01 1801.7723 [wealthier] people moving in [the neighborhood.] 1804.1732 1513 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1802.8649 [Yeah, i- it's serious.] I- I wish I can make it to the top off of my success 1807.5493 1514 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1808.8809 to try to buy any and everything what's buyable. 1811.8970 1515 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1811.8970 (pause 0.43) 1812.3229 1516 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1812.3229 Just to keep the community how it used to be for somebody who been in it. 1815.3858 1517 LES_int_01 1815.5789 Okay. 1816.0970 1518 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1816.3955 And that the- that's the only thing I want in life. I wanna become successful 1820.5692 1519 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1820.5692 (pause 0.91) 1821.4823 1520 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1821.4823 to try to buy up 1822.6633 1521 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1822.6633 (pause 0.13) 1822.7907 1522 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1822.7907 every lot 1823.7258 1523 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1823.7258 (pause 0.14) 1823.8707 1524 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1823.8707 or every 1824.4414 1525 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1824.4414 (pause 0.18) 1824.6170 1526 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1824.6170 open property what's out there on the market on the Lower East Side. 1827.7851 1527 LES_int_01 1828.0222 Yeah. 1828.3734 1528 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1828.7027 Just to try to maintain 1830.0006 1529 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1830.0006 (pause 0.82) 1830.8216 1530 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1830.8216 the old school 1831.5981 1531 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1831.5981 (pause 0.35) 1831.9449 1532 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1831.9449 [and how it was.] 1832.7308 1533 LES_int_01 1832.0547 [So, what th-] what i- how did it used to be? What's you know, what did- 1835.0175 1534 LES_int_01 1835.1844 what did it used to be like? 1836.2095 1535 LES_int_01 1836.2095 (pause 1.00) 1837.2067 1536 LES_int_01 1837.2067 That's not 1837.8741 1537 LES_int_01 1837.8741 (pause 0.38) 1838.2501 1538 LES_int_01 1838.2501 here now? 1838.8647 1539 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1839.3521 Um. 1839.8745 1540 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1839.8745 (pause 1.04) 1840.9150 1541 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1840.9150 1841.1609 1542 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1841.1609 (pause 0.28) 1841.4418 1543 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1841.4418 Uh. What's not here now is um, 1843.2742 1544 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1843.2742 (pause 0.26) 1843.5376 1545 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1843.5376 the squatters. 1844.4201 1546 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1844.4201 (pause 0.46) 1844.8811 1547 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1844.8811 The real people. 1845.7811 1548 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1845.7811 (pause 0.25) 1846.0269 1549 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1846.0269 Um. 1846.4616 1550 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1846.4616 (pause 0.44) 1846.9035 1551 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1846.9035 The people who was a part of the community, the mom and pop stores. 1850.0206 1552 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1850.0206 (pause 0.56) 1850.5825 1553 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1850.5825 Carvel, when- was on Avenue D 1852.9204 1554 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1852.9204 (pause 0.14) 1853.0652 1555 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1853.0652 and Houston Street, 1854.0530 1556 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1854.0530 (pause 0.58) 1854.6326 1557 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1854.6326 um, Machine Gun Funks, 1856.0566 1558 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1856.0566 (pause 0.24) 1856.2981 1559 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1856.2981 and all these restaurants 1857.9313 1560 LES_int_01 1858.1684 Yeah. 1858.5267 1561 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1858.8384 like, that's 1859.4530 1562 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1859.4530 (pause 0.20) 1859.6506 1563 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1859.6506 everywhere you go, like 1860.6823 1564 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1860.6823 (pause 0.20) 1860.8799 1565 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1860.8799 Avenue C, 1861.6965 1566 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1861.6965 (pause 0.79) 1862.4911 1567 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1862.4911 it's like 1862.9108 1568 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1862.9108 (pause 0.20) 1863.1127 1569 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1863.1127 classy. 1863.8960 1570 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1863.8960 (pause 0.86) 1864.7565 1571 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1864.7565 And Avenue B, it's like 1865.9166 1572 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1865.9166 (pause 0.94) 1866.8518 1573 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1866.8518 it's unbelievable. [Like] wow. Like, look at this place, and 1870.4540 1574 LES_int_01 1868.0547 [Yeah.] 1868.3861 1575 LES_int_01 1870.6914 Yeah. 1871.0514 1576 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1871.0953 you got all these people coming in, 1872.8339 1577 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1872.8339 (pause 0.18) 1873.0096 1578 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1873.0096 and looking at a /RD-NAME-3/ 1874.7612 1579 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1874.7612 (pause 0.71) 1875.4726 1580 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1875.4726 like, 1875.7140 1581 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1875.7140 (pause 0.22) 1875.9335 1582 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1875.9335 you don't belong here. 1876.8204 1583 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1876.8204 (pause 0.85) 1877.6721 1584 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1877.6721 Like, I don't belong [here?] 1878.8428 1585 LES_int_01 1878.6410 [They look] at you like that? 1879.7735 1586 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1880.0106 And 1880.4452 1587 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1880.4452 (pause 0.13) 1880.5769 1588 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1880.5769 I've been here before you even thought about this place. 1882.9389 1589 LES_int_01 1883.2111 Right. 1883.5316 1590 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1883.9531 But, 1884.1989 1591 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1884.1989 (pause 0.70) 1884.8999 1592 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1884.8999 it come back down to the dollar. 1886.1730 1593 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1886.1730 (pause 0.56) 1886.7350 1594 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1886.7350 They got the dollar, they- 1887.8809 1595 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1887.8809 (pause 0.22) 1888.0960 1596 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1888.0960 they got- they can afford their apartments, and 1890.2033 1597 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1890.2033 (pause 0.96) 1891.1677 1598 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1891.1677 they- they um. 1892.1818 1599 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1892.1818 (pause 0.14) 1892.3267 1600 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1892.3267 How you call it? 1892.8755 1601 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1892.8755 (pause 0.13) 1893.0072 1602 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1893.0072 They surround they self with people just like them. 1895.1409 1603 LES_int_01 1895.2023 Yeah. 1895.6809 1604 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1896.3555 So, the 1896.8208 1605 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1896.8208 (pause 0.22) 1897.0360 1606 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1897.0360 you got the people who been here all our lives 1899.2882 1607 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1899.2882 (pause 0.38) 1899.6701 1608 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1899.6701 and even you got the biggest drug dealers in the world, 1901.9619 1609 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1901.9619 (pause 0.78) 1902.7462 1610 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1902.7462 who made them millions of dollars and didn't know what to do with it. 1905.4199 1611 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1905.4199 (pause 0.25) 1905.6701 1612 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1905.6701 A, they don't have it no more cause they got hooked up on they own product. 1908.6819 1613 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1908.6819 (pause 0.53) 1909.2116 1614 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1909.2116 B, 1909.7560 1615 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1909.7560 (pause 0.49) 1910.2433 1616 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1910.2433 um, they locked up. 1911.2706 1617 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1911.2706 (pause 0.52) 1911.7931 1618 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1911.7931 C, they either dead. 1913.3692 1619 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1913.3692 (pause 0.79) 1914.1550 1620 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1914.1550 So, it's like they never invested back 1916.2469 1621 LES_int_01 1916.6252 [Right.] 1916.9896 1622 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1916.8667 [into] the community 1917.8809 1623 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1918.4867 to keep it for the community. 1919.7994 1624 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1919.7994 (pause 0.96) 1920.7608 1625 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1920.7608 Only, you had a /RD-NAME-2/, 1921.9133 1626 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1921.9133 (pause 0.46) 1922.3699 1627 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1922.3699 who took a chance and tried to come up with a- 1924.2796 1628 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1924.2796 (pause 0.23) 1924.5079 1629 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1924.5079 a concept, 1925.2543 1630 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1925.2543 (pause 0.81) 1926.0621 1631 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1926.0621 tryna come out with a book. 1927.1860 1632 LES_int_01 1927.4406 Yeah. 1927.8134 1633 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1927.8134 And this is coming from me. 1928.9417 1634 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1929.1173 Not- 1929.3851 1635 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1929.3851 (pause 0.09) 1929.4729 1636 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1929.4729 not no 1930.2500 1637 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1930.2500 (pause 0.27) 1930.5178 1638 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1930.5178 I made millions, I made a hundred thousand. 1932.6778 1639 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1932.6778 (pause 0.33) 1933.0115 1640 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1933.0115 This is somebody who had a couple of dollars, 1935.0339 1641 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1935.0339 (pause 0.57) 1935.6046 1642 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1935.6046 bought some hats, came up with a logo, 1937.3344 1643 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1937.3344 (pause 0.48) 1937.8173 1644 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1937.8173 also, um 1938.6339 1645 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1938.6339 (pause 2.33) 1940.9640 1646 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1940.9640 I put my first record out 1942.3689 1647 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1942.3689 (pause 0.81) 1943.1811 1648 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1943.1811 back in nineteen ninety-four. 1944.7133 1649 LES_int_01 1945.0294 Cool. 1945.3675 1650 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1945.3675 It's called The Lower 1946.3801 1651 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1947.2230 and executives to- executive produced by Big Shot, 1950.3665 1652 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1950.3665 (pause 0.23) 1950.5948 1653 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1950.5948 my group is there. 1951.7406 1654 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1951.7406 (pause 0.15) 1951.8899 1655 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1951.8899 [And,] 1952.2835 1656 LES_int_01 1952.1562 [Cool.] 1952.6786 1657 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1953.0342 I- I- I try to do a lot of different things for the community cause 1955.8967 1658 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1955.8967 (pause 0.79) 1956.6914 1659 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1956.6914 I knew how the community was gonna change. 1958.8411 1660 LES_int_01 1959.0738 Yeah. 1959.4952 1661 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1959.6006 But, my biggest fear was 1961.0450 1662 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1961.0450 (pause 0.14) 1961.1855 1663 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1961.1855 reading. 1961.8001 1664 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1961.8001 (pause 0.39) 1962.1865 1665 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1962.1865 I never had the knowledge 1963.4640 1666 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1963.4640 (pause 1.38) 1964.8455 1667 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1964.8455 to go get them grants. The government grants 1967.2074 1668 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1967.2074 (pause 0.08) 1967.2865 1669 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1967.2865 and to sit in school for X amount of hours to- 1969.6880 1670 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1969.6880 (pause 0.31) 1970.0025 1671 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1970.0025 to enlighten my- 1970.8277 1672 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1970.8277 (pause 0.09) 1970.9183 1673 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1970.9183 my education [better] 1972.3689 1674 LES_int_01 1971.9562 [Yeah.] 1972.2767 1675 LES_int_01 1972.6762 Yeah. 1973.0187 1676 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1973.1284 to get funded. 1973.8923 1677 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1973.8923 (pause 0.50) 1974.3972 1678 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1974.3972 So, that hurted me in that- in that- [in that way.] 1976.6523 1679 LES_int_01 1976.1298 [Yeah, yeah.] 1977.1089 1680 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1977.7232 But, everything else is just like 1979.3344 1681 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1979.3344 (pause 0.62) 1979.9578 1682 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1979.9578 it is what it [is.] 1980.8930 1683 LES_int_01 1980.7305 [Yeah.] So, you care a lot about this community. 1983.2626 1684 LES_int_01 1983.9782 What is it that you l- 1985.2690 1685 LES_int_01 1985.2690 (pause 0.71) 1985.9787 1686 LES_int_01 1985.9787 like so much about it? 1987.1113 1687 LES_int_01 1987.1113 (pause 0.44) 1987.5504 1688 LES_int_01 1987.5504 Like, what [is-] 1988.3538 1689 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1988.0465 [Uh.] 1988.3714 1690 LES_int_01 1988.4855 what's unique about 1989.5172 1691 LES_int_01 1989.5172 (pause 0.29) 1989.8026 1692 LES_int_01 1989.8026 the Lower East Side? 1990.7597 1693 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1991.3947 What's so unique about the Lower East Side, 1993.2957 1694 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1993.2957 (pause 0.46) 1993.7523 1695 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1993.7523 is the people down here. 1995.0694 1696 LES_int_01 1995.2758 Mm-hm. 1995.7016 1697 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1995.7631 The culture, our culture, blacks, Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, 1999.0250 1698 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1999.0250 (pause 0.40) 1999.4202 1699 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 1999.4202 even we got some Asians and 2001.3519 1700 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2001.3519 (pause 0.51) 2001.8656 1701 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2001.8656 and some um, Caucasians who been here 2004.1381 1702 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2004.1381 (pause 0.49) 2004.6254 1703 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2004.6254 since 2004.9942 1704 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2004.9942 (pause 0.39) 2005.3849 1705 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2005.3849 the seventies and everything else. [But,] what make us so different 2008.3269 1706 LES_int_01 2006.9659 [Yeah.] 2007.2766 1707 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2009.9849 we can be in- in /Alasta-/ Alaska 2012.5225 1708 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2012.5225 (pause 1.15) 2013.6684 1709 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2013.6684 and see one more 2014.8801 1710 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2014.8801 (pause 0.56) 2015.4420 1711 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2015.4420 and you can feel the bond 2016.8322 1712 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2016.8322 (pause 0.46) 2017.2932 1713 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2017.2932 still from Lower East Side. Like, all these people 2019.6859 1714 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2019.6859 (pause 0.69) 2020.3752 1715 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2020.3752 was in federal and state 2021.9272 1716 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2021.9272 (pause 0.30) 2022.2229 1717 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2022.2229 jail. 2022.7059 1718 LES_int_01 2022.8595 Yeah. 2023.1932 1719 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2024.4548 They still like, 2025.3372 1720 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2025.3372 (pause 0.33) 2025.6639 1721 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2025.6639 it's /snil/ like a- you take snow, 2027.2865 1722 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2027.2865 (pause 0.29) 2027.5807 1723 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2027.5807 and you pat it together to make a snowball. 2029.5914 1724 LES_int_01 2029.7100 Yeah. 2030.0568 1725 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2030.2105 They still like that til today, like when you ge- when they get locked up, 2033.3110 1726 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2033.3110 (pause 0.46) 2033.7720 1727 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2033.7720 they can be upstate, they can be in Massachusetts, they can be wherever. But, once they see each other, 2038.0750 1728 LES_int_01 2038.2760 Yeah. 2038.6360 1729 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2039.1278 It's still there. Like, yo! L-E-S! And 2041.7136 1730 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2041.7136 (pause 0.85) 2042.5589 1731 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2042.5589 That's how it is, we stick together. 2044.2009 1732 LES_int_01 2044.3238 Okay. 2044.7804 1733 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2044.9297 Everywhere we go, i- like, it's unbelievable. Like, I live uptown now. 2048.7408 1734 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2048.7408 (pause 0.74) 2049.4812 1735 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2049.4812 But, 2049.7622 1736 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2049.7622 (pause 0.75) 2050.5129 1737 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2050.5129 I still see people from downtown and 2052.7696 1738 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2052.7696 (pause 0.25) 2053.0198 1739 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2053.0198 You can't take that L-E-S away from us, [no matter what.] 2055.6482 1740 LES_int_01 2054.9477 [Yeah. Oh you-] do you live uptown now? 2056.7740 1741 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2056.8192 Yes. I live uptown [now.] 2057.9849 1742 LES_int_01 2057.6555 [This is-] 2057.9586 1743 LES_int_01 2058.0938 with your uh, your daughter's mom? 2059.8268 1744 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2059.8268 Yes. 2060.2697 1745 LES_int_01 2060.5915 [Where is that?] 2061.0578 1746 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2060.6055 [Yes.] 2060.8992 1747 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2061.1161 /RD-ADDRESS-5/ 2062.5569 1748 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2062.5569 (pause 0.45) 2063.0060 1749 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2063.0060 Central- right across the /?/ from Central Park. 2065.0344 1750 LES_int_01 2065.2502 How is it? 2065.7965 1751 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2066.4493 It's n- It's not like the Lower East Side? 2068.0794 1752 LES_int_01 2068.0794 What? 2069.1518 1753 LES_int_01 2069.1518 (pause 0.40) 2069.5482 1754 LES_int_01 2069.5482 Why not? 2070.0471 1755 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2071.1242 I see more 2071.9403 1756 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2071.9403 (pause 0.67) 2072.6117 1757 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2072.6117 black on black 2073.4222 1758 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2073.4222 (pause 0.36) 2073.7812 1759 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2073.7812 than mixed. 2074.8444 1760 LES_int_01 2075.0729 Really? 2075.4972 1761 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2076.0847 And it's- 2076.5836 1762 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2076.5836 (pause 0.27) 2076.8494 1763 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2076.8494 i- i- it's like 2077.8050 1764 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2077.8050 (pause 1.37) 2079.1759 1765 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2079.1759 when I can leave my mother house, 2080.6260 1766 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2080.6260 (pause 0.13) 2080.7566 1767 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2080.7566 on ho- on Lower East Side in Houston Street, 2082.8033 1768 LES_int_01 2082.9572 Yeah. 2083.2183 1769 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2083.4468 I come out the building, 2084.4798 1770 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2084.4798 (pause 0.64) 2085.1233 1771 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2085.1233 or, once I get in a elevator, 2086.4942 1772 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2086.4942 (pause 0.67) 2087.1610 1773 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2087.1610 I might see 2088.0789 1774 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2088.0789 (pause 0.73) 2088.8063 1775 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2088.8063 a Arabic, 2089.6503 1776 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2089.6503 (pause 0.13) 2089.7762 1777 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2089.7762 a Puerto Rican, and a black person in a elevator. 2092.2662 1778 LES_int_01 2092.2755 Right. 2092.8491 1779 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2092.8491 When I leave 2093.5671 1780 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2093.7816 [the ho-] 2094.0707 1781 LES_int_01 2093.7816 [Right.] 2094.0707 1782 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2094.2013 when I leave the apartment, 2095.1449 1783 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2095.1449 (pause 0.25) 2095.3920 1784 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2095.3920 uptown, 2096.0681 1785 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2096.0681 (pause 0.62) 2096.6883 1786 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2096.6883 I open the elevator, 2097.6955 1787 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2097.6955 (pause 0.17) 2097.8634 1788 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2097.8634 It's definitely three people up there, but we all the same [nationality. Like,] 2101.0656 1789 LES_int_01 2100.4641 [] 2101.8942 1790 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2101.6811 [that's] one thing, where like 2102.6976 1791 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2103.3225 [When I] come outside, 2104.4602 1792 LES_int_01 2103.3225 [Right.] 2103.6442 1793 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2106.0337 And don't see all them different 2107.5352 1794 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2107.5352 (pause 0.74) 2108.2719 1795 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2108.2719 um, um, 2109.0273 1796 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2109.0273 (pause 0.27) 2109.2978 1797 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2109.2978 grou- um, race, 2110.8738 1798 LES_int_01 2111.0137 Yeah. 2111.4614 1799 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2112.0162 it's like wow. [It-] 2113.0689 1800 LES_int_01 2112.9430 [So,] you like that mix? 2114.2579 1801 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2114.2579 I love that [mix.] 2115.5076 1802 LES_int_01 2115.3491 [Yeah.] 2115.6801 1803 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2115.9972 And 2116.5334 1804 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2116.5334 (pause 1.88) 2118.4172 1805 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2118.4172 It's like wow. I just need to get- 2120.0234 1806 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2120.0234 (pause 0.13) 2120.1540 1807 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2120.1540 get what I gotta do in life, to come back down here and try to like stay here forever. 2124.2060 1808 LES_int_01 2124.3366 [Right.] 2124.6024 1809 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2124.5231 [Cause] this is my dream. 2125.6236 1810 LES_int_01 2125.7868 What's gonna happen to this apartment? 2127.3523 1811 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2127.8093 Um. It's here. 2128.6160 1812 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2128.6160 (pause 0.14) 2128.7559 1813 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2128.7559 Um. My mom still have [it.] 2129.9962 1814 LES_int_01 2129.8377 [Your] mom has it. 2130.7656 1815 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2130.8822 And all that 2131.5443 1816 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2131.5443 (pause 0.13) 2131.6748 1817 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2131.6748 but um. 2132.2717 1818 LES_int_01 2132.9373 Does she live here by herself now? 2134.2336 1819 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2134.4761 Um. She live here with my nephew. 2136.0195 1820 LES_int_01 2136.2387 Mm-hm. 2136.5418 1821 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2136.7329 But, as- as we both know, 2138.2865 1822 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2138.2865 (pause 0.52) 2138.8087 1823 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2138.8087 moms is seventy-one young. 2140.2915 1824 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2140.2915 (pause 0.60) 2140.8919 1825 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2140.8919 She's getting up in age [and] 2142.6451 1826 LES_int_01 2142.2581 [Yeah.] 2142.6451 1827 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2143.6243 basically, I just tryna get it together to see, can I try to buy this. 2147.2766 1828 LES_int_01 2147.6018 Yeah, how does it work? It i- can she pass it down to someone 2150.4882 1829 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2150.5814 Like [yeah, if I was still on mine-] 2152.4559 1830 LES_int_01 2150.8379 [in- in her family?] 2152.0642 1831 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2152.5632 If I was still on a lease, 2153.9096 1832 LES_int_01 2154.1847 Yeah. 2154.5717 1833 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2154.5717 it'd go down to me. 2155.5090 1834 LES_int_01 2155.6861 Yeah. 2155.9799 1835 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2156.1384 But, my nephew got it right now, so it's still gonna be in the family regardless and things like that. 2160.2822 1836 LES_int_01 2160.4500 Yeah. 2160.7625 1837 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2161.0555 But, 2161.3119 1838 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2161.3119 (pause 0.15) 2161.4658 1839 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2161.4658 that's how it really works and things like that. 2163.4429 1840 LES_int_01 2163.4429 Yeah. 2163.7087 1841 LES_int_01 2163.7087 (pause 0.67) 2164.3801 1842 LES_int_01 2164.3801 Um. 2164.7531 1843 LES_int_01 2164.7531 (pause 0.24) 2164.9910 1844 LES_int_01 2164.9910 Is there anything that you don't like about 2166.7197 1845 LES_int_01 2166.7197 (pause 0.67) 2167.3912 1846 LES_int_01 2167.3912 the Lower East Side? 2168.6315 1847 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2169.1165 Um. 2169.6993 1848 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2169.6993 (pause 1.98) 2171.6752 1849 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2171.6752 What I don't like about the Lower East Side? 2173.5078 1850 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2173.5078 (pause 2.02) 2175.5315 1851 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2175.5315 I'm not a 2176.3288 1852 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2176.3288 (pause 0.79) 2177.1157 1853 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2177.1157 uh- I- I consider myself, I like everything. 2179.2420 1854 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2179.2420 (pause 0.52) 2179.7642 1855 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2179.7642 Like, 2179.9373 1856 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2179.9373 (pause 0.16) 2180.0959 1857 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2180.0959 nothing really bothers me. 2181.3362 1858 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2181.3362 (pause 0.12) 2181.4575 1859 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2181.4575 Like 2181.8136 1860 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2181.8136 (pause 1.23) 2183.0463 1861 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2183.0463 everything happens for a reason. So, if it's something negative down here, if 2186.0726 1862 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2186.0726 (pause 0.54) 2186.6122 1863 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2186.6122 or like, 2186.9152 1864 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2186.9152 (pause 0.27) 2187.1898 1865 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2187.1898 I ain't even mad at the fancy restaurants and the art galleries 2189.9079 1866 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2189.9079 (pause 0.10) 2190.0058 1867 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2190.0058 or the [people] who's flocking in. 2191.4825 1868 LES_int_01 2190.2240 [No.] 2190.4245 1869 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2191.9115 I ain't mad at them. 2192.7695 1870 LES_int_01 2193.0259 [Yeah.] 2193.2973 1871 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2193.2031 [Know] what I'm saying. Cause it's- it's 2194.3688 1872 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2194.4808 in these days and times, if you can 2196.1499 1873 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2196.1499 (pause 0.21) 2196.3551 1874 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2196.3551 you gotta get in when you fit in. 2197.6374 1875 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2197.6374 (pause 0.30) 2197.9405 1876 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2197.9405 And if you got the dollar, 2199.1901 1877 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2199.1901 (pause 0.56) 2199.7544 1878 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2199.7544 to afford that apartment and all that, 2201.4362 1879 LES_int_01 2201.7580 Yeah. 2202.0983 1880 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2202.2382 I- I respect that. 2203.1428 1881 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2203.1428 (pause 0.56) 2203.7024 1882 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2203.7024 And for 2204.4345 1883 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2204.4345 (pause 0.42) 2204.8541 1884 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2204.8541 for the drug dealers who was raised and brought up on the Lower East Side and all that, 2208.5178 1885 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2208.5178 (pause 1.29) 2209.8068 1886 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2209.8068 maybe we shoulda been a little more smarter to invest into what we had. 2213.7437 1887 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2213.7437 (pause 0.47) 2214.2135 1888 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2214.2135 [And everything] else instead of looking at it like we losing this 2216.8760 1889 LES_int_01 2214.2135 [Yeah.] 2214.6576 1890 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2217.3003 and losing that. 2217.9624 1891 LES_int_01 2218.0697 Right. 2218.4660 1892 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2219.0862 So, it's like um. 2220.1773 1893 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2220.1773 (pause 1.33) 2221.5049 1894 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2221.5049 To each his own. 2222.2416 1895 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2222.2416 (pause 0.22) 2222.4596 1896 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2222.4596 I- I- wish everybody the best [and] 2224.1942 1897 LES_int_01 2224.0543 [Yeah.] 2224.5579 1898 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2224.8983 my goal in life, like I said, 2226.5210 1899 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2226.5210 (pause 0.55) 2227.0679 1900 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2227.0679 I tryna be that entrepreneur /what/ and to make 2229.3947 1901 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2229.3947 (pause 0.22) 2229.6138 1902 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2229.6138 what I can make 2230.3226 1903 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2230.3226 (pause 0.12) 2230.4438 1904 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2230.4438 just to try to buy 2231.3193 1905 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2231.3193 (pause 0.60) 2231.9162 1906 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2231.9162 anything what's open. I don't care what it is. 2233.5202 1907 LES_int_01 2233.6182 Right. 2233.8839 1908 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2233.8839 Anything what has got a for sale sign, and I got that money, 2236.4668 1909 LES_int_01 2236.5507 Yeah. 2236.9564 1910 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2237.0217 I'll try to buy it. 2237.8237 1911 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2237.8237 (pause 0.63) 2238.4532 1912 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2238.4532 Cause I know how to make it back 2239.6597 1913 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2239.6597 (pause 0.43) 2240.0887 1914 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2240.0887 [into the seventies and eighties.] 2241.5529 1915 LES_int_01 2240.2286 [Keep-] 2240.4944 1916 LES_int_01 2240.4944 (pause 0.59) 2241.0866 1917 LES_int_01 2241.0866 [keep it.] 2241.5529 1918 LES_int_01 2241.7440 Keep it in the community. 2242.8990 1919 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2242.9643 [Definitely.] 2243.4446 1920 LES_int_01 2243.2860 [So,] you talk a lot about the community. Um. 2245.2169 1921 LES_int_01 2245.5340 2245.6273 1922 LES_int_01 2245.6273 (pause 0.44) 2246.0702 1923 LES_int_01 2246.0702 What does that word mean to you? Like what is- 2247.9951 1924 LES_int_01 2247.9951 (pause 0.31) 2248.3029 1925 LES_int_01 2248.3029 what is- 2248.7738 1926 LES_int_01 2248.7738 (pause 0.45) 2249.2215 1927 LES_int_01 2249.2215 what does it mean to be a community. 2250.6716 1928 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2251.6042 [Um. B- to be a part of it] 2253.0589 1929 LES_int_01 2251.9689 [How do you define it?] 2252.8409 1930 LES_int_01 2253.3526 [Yeah.] 2253.6557 1931 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2253.5997 [to] be a part of it. To um, 2255.1432 1932 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2256.6493 to go outside as a black man, 2258.8047 1933 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2258.8047 (pause 0.54) 2259.3398 1934 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2259.3398 and be like 2260.0253 1935 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2260.0253 (pause 0.91) 2260.9392 1936 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2260.9392 como-esta abuela? 2262.2495 1937 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2262.2495 (pause 0.31) 2262.5620 1938 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2262.5620 To a Spanish grandmother, [like,] how you doing, or how you doing grandma, but in Spanish. 2266.6467 1939 LES_int_01 2263.8956 [Right.] 2264.4038 1940 LES_int_01 2266.9233 [Yeah.] 2267.2450 1941 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2267.0258 [And] to get that bond and that love back from that same Spanish woman who look at you 2271.0880 1942 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2271.5123 and raise you also by going to her house with her kids and eating that same Puerto Rican 2276.0445 1943 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2276.0445 (pause 0.47) 2276.5108 1944 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2276.5108 and Black food that we did. 2278.0682 1945 LES_int_01 2278.2780 Yeah. 2278.6650 1946 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2278.7443 Like, for holidays, like we got the building, 2280.9021 1947 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2280.9021 (pause 0.47) 2281.3730 1948 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2281.3730 a hundred and ten apartments. 2282.6413 1949 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2282.6413 (pause 0.80) 2283.4387 1950 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2283.4387 And I live on the top floor, the eleventh floor, so I work my way down 2286.7809 1951 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2286.7809 (pause 0.62) 2287.3964 1952 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2287.3964 with my Kool-Aid, my- my soul food, 2289.8196 1953 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2289.8196 (pause 0.62) 2290.4351 1954 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2290.4351 And I'm going to the tenth floor to get some coquito and some Spanish food. [You know, I'm] going to the Dominicans to get the flan. 2296.7522 1955 LES_int_01 2294.7891 [Right.] 2295.1202 1956 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2297.0766 And 2297.3517 1957 LES_int_01 2297.8833 Yeah. 2298.2936 1958 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2298.3263 It's just- it's a- this a beautiful thing. 2300.2148 1959 LES_int_01 2301.2496 Right. So, interacting with these l- 2303.4505 1960 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2303.7256 [Definitely.] 2304.2665 1961 LES_int_01 2304.1360 [diverse] 2304.8727 1962 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2304.8727 Definitely, [and that's] 2305.8193 1963 LES_int_01 2305.4276 [groups of people.] 2306.2716 1964 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2306.7425 And that's what I'm missing cause you missing more of the 2309.4187 1965 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2309.4187 (pause 0.64) 2310.0622 1966 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2310.0622 I've been here 2310.8036 1967 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2310.8036 (pause 0.28) 2311.0847 1968 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2311.0847 over X amount of years 2312.5209 1969 LES_int_01 2312.5675 Yeah. 2312.9172 1970 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2313.7892 to 2314.3707 1971 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2314.3707 (pause 0.53) 2314.8976 1972 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2314.8976 now you see 2315.7556 1973 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2315.7556 (pause 0.37) 2316.1283 1974 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2316.1283 like, wow. This person look like they don't belong here. 2318.3665 1975 LES_int_01 2318.9389 Now, is that in this building, or in Lillian Wald, or is that in the 2322.7112 1976 LES_int_01 2322.7112 (pause 0.25) 2322.9583 1977 LES_int_01 2322.9583 sort of like the bigger neighborhood? Is [that happening] here [too?] 2325.8513 1978 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2324.6902 [I-] 2324.8907 1979 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2324.8907 (pause 0.59) 2325.4829 1980 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2325.4829 [Yeah.] 2325.8233 1981 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2325.9306 That happening 2326.7160 1982 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2326.7160 (pause 0.81) 2327.5299 1983 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2327.5299 oh no- when I s- when I say the Sixth Borough, Lower East Side, 2329.9601 1984 LES_int_01 2329.9601 Yeah. 2330.2725 1985 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2330.8135 that's happening from Brooklyn Bridge, all the way to 2333.1196 1986 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2333.1196 (pause 0.35) 2333.4739 1987 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2333.4739 Fourteenth Street and Third Avenue 2335.1199 1988 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2335.1199 (pause 0.43) 2335.5534 1989 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2335.5534 and then out. 2335.9964 1990 LES_int_01 2336.2855 And is that what you think of as the Lower East Side? That- 2338.6975 1991 LES_int_01 2338.6975 (pause 0.13) 2338.8268 1992 LES_int_01 2338.8268 the- 2339.1812 1993 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2339.2698 Yes. 2339.6661 1994 LES_int_01 2339.6661 that's like ]a-] 2340.3830 1995 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2340.2058 [Yes. From Smith] Projects, 2341.7679 1996 LES_int_01 2340.6302 [a-] 2340.8120 1997 LES_int_01 2341.7679 Mm-hm. 2342.0943 1998 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2342.4627 that's starting at Brooklyn Bridge 2344.1680 1999 LES_int_01 2344.1837 Yeah. 2344.4907 2000 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2344.9527 all the way to Jackson and FDR [Drive,] 2347.7588 2001 LES_int_01 2347.6096 [Yeah.] 2347.8894 2002 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2348.2670 to Fourteenth Street, FDR Drive from 2350.5973 2003 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2350.5973 (pause 0.31) 2350.9098 2004 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2350.9098 east 2351.3621 2005 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2351.3621 (pause 0.25) 2351.6092 2006 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2351.6092 all the way to Third Avenue. 2353.0174 2007 LES_int_01 2353.0873 Yeah. 2353.3764 2008 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2353.3951 From Third Avenue, all the way back down to Bowery and Houston. 2356.6797 2009 LES_int_01 2356.7590 Right. 2357.1087 2010 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2357.5334 And then, it go farther than that, [cause] it still gotta [go] 2360.1606 2011 LES_int_01 2359.0355 [/Up/] 2359.3228 2012 LES_int_01 2359.3228 (pause 0.48) 2359.8062 2013 LES_int_01 2359.8062 [Yeah.] You gotta get all the way [down.] 2361.2051 2014 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2360.9580 [That's-] That's the Sixth Borough in my eyes. 2362.8653 2015 LES_int_01 2363.0005 Yeah. 2363.2663 2016 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2363.2710 Anything 2363.9844 2017 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2363.9844 (pause 0.73) 2364.7153 2018 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2364.7153 from Houston Street, 2365.7924 2019 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2365.7924 (pause 0.48) 2366.2681 2020 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2366.2681 walking distance, 2367.2053 2021 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2367.2053 (pause 0.25) 2367.4571 2022 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2367.4571 thirty to forty minute walking distance is still considered the Sixth Borough. 2370.7398 2023 LES_int_01 2370.8538 [Okay.] 2371.3324 2024 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2371.0338 [How] we used to get up 2371.9558 2025 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2372.4738 and walk to the World Trade Center, a thirty to forty-five minute walks. Top. 2376.0950 2026 LES_int_01 2376.4867 Yeah. 2376.8224 2027 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2377.2048 That's the- that considered the sixth borough, cause 2379.4476 2028 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2379.4476 (pause 0.12) 2379.5670 2029 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2379.5670 all 2379.9578 2030 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2379.9578 (pause 0.31) 2380.2722 2031 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2380.2722 within a walk. 2381.2573 2032 LES_int_01 2381.4329 Yeah. 2381.8236 2033 LES_int_01 2381.8236 (pause 0.78) 2382.6007 2034 LES_int_01 2382.6007 What about people that think 2384.0605 2035 LES_int_01 2384.0605 (pause 0.12) 2384.1796 2036 LES_int_01 2384.1796 that 2384.7547 2037 LES_int_01 2384.7547 (pause 0.42) 2385.1790 2038 LES_int_01 2385.1790 north of Houston Street is something different 2387.8966 2039 LES_int_01 2387.8966 (pause 0.11) 2388.0108 2040 LES_int_01 2388.0108 than south of Houston Street? 2389.4552 2041 LES_int_01 2389.4552 (pause 0.31) 2389.7625 2042 LES_int_01 2389.7625 Do you know what I'm talking about? Like, a lot of people that look at north of Houston Street as the East Village? 2393.9844 2043 LES_int_01 2393.9844 (pause 1.04) 2395.0293 2044 LES_int_01 2395.0293 Or Alphabet [City, or] something like that. 2396.9127 2045 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2395.8152 [Yeah.] 2396.2542 2046 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2397.3151 Alphabet [City.] 2398.0922 2047 LES_int_01 2397.9824 [Yeah.] What do you- what do you think about that? Do you think that there's a separation? 2401.9030 2048 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2402.1137 It's- 2402.4605 2049 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2402.4605 (pause 0.56) 2403.0181 2050 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2403.0181 It's no separation cause 2404.4522 2051 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2404.4522 (pause 0.49) 2404.9439 2052 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2404.9439 right now, 2405.6683 2053 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2405.6683 (pause 0.73) 2406.4015 2054 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2406.4015 we on north of Houston Street, 2407.8459 2055 LES_int_01 2407.9337 Yeah. 2408.2410 2056 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2408.7356 but I still represent south 2410.4917 2057 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2410.4917 (pause 0.25) 2410.7376 2058 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2410.7376 of Houston Street. 2411.4532 2059 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2411.4532 (pause 0.45) 2411.9054 2060 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2411.9054 And that's still considered 2413.0513 2061 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2413.0513 (pause 0.99) 2414.0391 2062 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2414.0391 all these projects, that bridge, the Manhattan Bridge, Brooklyn Bridge, 2417.9113 2063 LES_int_01 2417.9859 Yeah. 2418.3459 2064 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2418.4952 all that is considered 2419.5313 2065 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2419.5313 (pause 0.79) 2420.3215 2066 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2420.3215 the Sixth Borough, Lower East Side, still. 2422.0892 2067 LES_int_01 2422.2736 Yeah. 2422.5809 2068 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2422.9804 And, 2423.4326 2069 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2423.4326 (pause 0.33) 2423.7619 2070 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2423.7619 the only separation we getting is from the quote. 2426.3494 2071 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2426.3494 (pause 1.07) 2427.4146 2072 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2427.4146 Everybody's getting more educated and 2429.4824 2073 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2429.4824 (pause 0.30) 2429.7804 2074 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2429.7804 flocking in 2430.7846 2075 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2430.7846 (pause 0.09) 2430.8768 2076 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2430.8768 [and] 2431.2895 2077 LES_int_01 2430.8768 [Yeah.] 2431.3685 2078 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2431.5902 they tryna say, oh this is 2433.3288 2079 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2433.3288 (pause 0.49) 2433.8205 2080 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2433.8205 this is south of Houston Street, it's really different from North of [Houston.] 2438.3474 2081 LES_int_01 2438.0928 [Lo-ho] or [whatever.] 2440.0042 2082 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2439.6135 [Lo-ho] is [really] for me, it's no-ho. 2441.7954 2083 LES_int_01 2440.4152 [Yeah.] 2440.6750 2084 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2442.0309 [Cause] we ain't going for that. 2443.0971 2085 LES_int_01 2442.0309 [Yeah.] 2442.4822 2086 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2443.1761 Like, nah. [This is still] the Lower East Side. 2445.3406 2087 LES_int_01 2443.8874 [Yeah.] 2444.2825 2088 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2446.1232 And 2446.5666 2089 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2446.5666 (pause 0.21) 2446.7773 2090 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2446.7773 no matter what, 2447.6378 2091 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2447.6378 (pause 1.12) 2448.7574 2092 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2448.7574 I feel my company 2450.0525 2093 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2450.0525 (pause 0.68) 2450.7330 2094 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2450.7330 It's gonna take off a little bit faster than everybody else's because we got the whole Lower East Side. 2456.2501 2095 LES_int_01 2456.3247 Okay. 2456.6979 2096 LES_se0_ag3_m_01 2459.5718 Excuse me, one second. 2460.7836