Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 LES_int_01 0.4412 Okay, alright, we're recording. So, it is d- uh, December fifth, 3.6879 2 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 4.0936 [I believe so.] 4.5718 3 LES_int_01 4.0936 [Two thousand eight,] and I'm /RD-NAME-4/ and I'm talking to /RD-NAME-4/. 7.8265 4 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 8.0550 Yes. 8.4187 5 LES_int_01 8.4187 So, um, 9.5438 6 LES_int_01 9.5438 (pause 0.16) 9.7024 7 LES_int_01 9.7024 /RD-NAME-2/, or /RD-NAME-2/, 10.7702 8 LES_int_01 10.7702 (pause 0.24) 11.0126 9 LES_int_01 11.0126 [Um.] I normally start at the beginning. 13.4218 10 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 11.0360 [Okay.] 11.5023 11 LES_int_01 13.5850 [So, would] you mind telling me when and where you were born? 16.8725 12 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 13.7202 [Right.] 13.9673 13 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 17.5580 Was born, first off on the Lower East Side, in 19.4269 14 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 19.4269 (pause 0.13) 19.5575 15 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 19.5575 /RD-ADDRESS-3/ well, 20.9470 16 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 20.9470 (pause 0.44) 21.3854 17 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 21.3854 I- I- I e- I ended up moving there, /RD-ADDRESS-6/. 24.2469 18 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 24.2469 (pause 0.60) 24.8437 19 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 24.8437 Uh. 25.2727 20 LES_int_01 25.3520 [Clinton and what?] 26.2656 21 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 25.3843 [I was born.] 26.2330 22 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 26.7832 Clinton Street, that's um. 28.3033 23 LES_int_01 28.4385 I'm sorry, the intersection. 29.3944 24 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 29.7302 The intersection of Clinton and Madison. 31.3292 25 LES_int_01 31.5523 31.9068 26 LES_int_01 31.9068 (pause 0.49) 32.4017 27 LES_int_01 32.4017 Okay. 32.7187 28 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 33.0685 And I was born 34.1393 29 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 34.1393 (pause 0.10) 34.2373 30 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 34.2373 uh, 34.5637 31 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 34.5637 (pause 0.19) 34.7549 32 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 34.7549 January twenty sixth, nineteen fifty-eight. 36.7554 33 LES_int_01 37.1610 Okay. 37.5154 34 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 38.0040 Um. 38.5496 35 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 38.5496 (pause 0.83) 39.3796 36 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 39.3796 And I grew up p- pretty much right after I was born in Bellevue Hospital. 42.4492 37 LES_int_01 42.8711 Bellevue. [Okay.] 43.5799 38 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 43.2349 [On the East] Side. 44.0044 39 LES_int_01 44.0976 Mm-hm. 44.3914 40 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 45.1048 I went right into LaGuardia Housing [Projects.] 48.5416 41 LES_int_01 48.4624 [Okay.] 48.7654 42 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 49.3730 Uh, and that's where pretty much, things started there. 51.7324 43 LES_int_01 52.0588 Okay. 52.4458 44 LES_int_01 52.4458 (pause 0.70) 53.1488 45 LES_int_01 53.1488 Will you tell me a little bit about your family. How did they end up living on the Lower East Side? Where are they from? 57.5459 46 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 57.6671 Okay. Let's see. 58.5111 47 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 58.5111 (pause 0.79) 59.3027 48 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 59.3027 Okay. 59.6664 49 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 59.6664 (pause 0.36) 60.0254 50 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 60.0254 My father was originally form New York. 62.0678 51 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 62.0678 (pause 0.16) 62.2263 52 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 62.2263 New Yorker, all the way. 63.3174 53 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 63.3174 (pause 0.41) 63.7278 54 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 63.7278 My mother also a New Yorker, but her parents were from Georgia, from the South. 67.3429 55 LES_int_01 67.3849 Mm-hm. 67.7673 56 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 67.8885 And they resided, originally, in Harlem. 71.0129 57 LES_int_01 71.2600 Mm-hm. 71.6517 58 LES_int_01 71.6517 (pause 0.24) 71.8942 59 LES_int_01 71.8942 Mm-hm. 72.2299 60 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 72.3325 And 73.2278 61 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 73.2278 (pause 0.31) 73.5355 62 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 73.5355 I guess they thought things would be better on the Lower East Side and decided to move 76.8741 63 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 76.8741 (pause 0.70) 77.5736 64 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 77.5736 on the Lower East Side around the time 79.6949 65 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 79.6949 (pause 0.98) 80.6788 66 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 80.6788 uh, 81.0612 67 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 81.0612 (pause 0.68) 81.7373 68 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 81.7373 shortly before I was born [actually.] 83.3789 69 LES_int_01 83.0571 [Okay.] 83.3789 70 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 84.0177 And so, that's pretty much how we ended up down here. 86.2181 71 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 86.2181 (pause 0.21) 86.4233 72 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 86.4233 [Um] 86.9003 73 LES_int_01 86.5086 [What about] your father's family? Th- were they not from the South? 88.7654 74 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 88.7375 They were- no. They were from New York. 90.1596 75 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 90.6577 [They were. Yeah.] 91.3851 76 LES_int_01 90.6577 [Oh, they were?] 91.1714 77 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 91.5296 They were from [New York.] 92.3430 78 LES_int_01 91.8381 [So they've been there for a while.] 93.0218 79 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 92.5756 [Yeah.] 93.0218 80 LES_int_01 93.6466 Cool. 93.9543 81 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 93.9543 Exactly. G- m- m- 94.9289 82 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 95.0221 before that, I couldn't tell [you. ] 96.5286 83 LES_int_01 96.3794 [ Okay.] 97.1628 84 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 96.9903 [But I] know his parents were from New York. 98.3751 85 LES_int_01 98.4871 Okay. Cool. Wow. Okay, so they came down- 100.9118 86 LES_int_01 100.9118 (pause 0.17) 101.0831 87 LES_int_01 101.0831 Because at the time, 102.1463 88 LES_int_01 102.1463 (pause 0.16) 102.3085 89 LES_int_01 102.3085 the LaGuardia and other places were- [were new, it was really new, right?] 106.0869 90 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 104.1159 [Yeah, it was. Yeah, and I think they] figured maybe it would be a different thing, and also, I guess if you- 109.3949 91 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 109.6132 At that time, if you applied for the housing projects and stuff, 113.0821 92 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 113.0821 (pause 0.39) 113.4727 93 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 113.4727 you- pretty much when you- 114.8029 94 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 114.8029 (pause 0.45) 115.2533 95 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 115.2533 you 115.7170 96 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 115.7170 (pause 0.17) 115.8879 97 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 115.8879 got the application you were approved, you 118.3750 98 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 118.3750 (pause 0.11) 118.4848 99 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 118.4848 had to go wherever they kind of put you, I guess. 120.4558 100 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 120.4558 (pause 0.31) 120.7609 101 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 120.7609 [And at] that time, their /perm-/ 122.0734 102 LES_int_01 120.7609 [I see.] 121.2984 103 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 122.1955 probably weren't many 123.2450 104 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 123.2450 (pause 0.40) 123.6478 105 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 123.6478 housing 124.2241 106 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 124.2241 (pause 0.26) 124.4804 107 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 124.4804 developments 125.2554 108 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 125.2554 (pause 0.34) 125.5971 109 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 125.5971 then anyway. 126.4026 110 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 126.4026 (pause 0.12) 126.5185 111 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 126.5185 [Cause I lived- I lived in one of the] older ones, [so.] 129.0183 112 LES_int_01 126.7616 [And a lot of them were /down here/.] 127.9443 113 LES_int_01 127.9443 (pause 0.72) 128.6643 114 LES_int_01 128.6643 [So] all of them are down here [aren't they?] 130.2204 115 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 130.0007 [Yeah,] exactly. A lot of 'em were on the Lower East Side, and [at that] time, I guess that was the only thing available. 133.9291 116 LES_int_01 131.9093 [Right.] 132.2059 117 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 134.8139 And that's where we ended up. 136.0063 118 LES_int_01 136.2870 Okay. 136.6287 119 LES_int_01 136.6287 (pause 0.93) 137.5567 120 LES_int_01 137.5567 So, what do you remember about being a little kid 140.1379 121 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 140.7909 [Uh.] 142.0479 122 LES_int_01 140.7909 [in the Lower East Side in] LaGuardia? 142.8290 123 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 144.2166 School. 144.9061 124 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 144.9061 (pause 0.36) 145.2662 125 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 145.2662 School. I remembered school because 146.9859 126 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 146.9859 (pause 0.24) 147.2239 127 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 147.2239 you know, at that time, I guess they thought I was a fairly intelligent kid. 150.3360 128 LES_int_01 150.7265 [Yeah.] 151.0560 129 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 150.7448 [Cause] I was in a special program and stuff like that. 154.0930 130 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 154.7825 Um. 155.3439 131 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 155.3439 (pause 0.44) 155.7805 132 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 155.7805 155.9452 133 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 155.9452 (pause 0.43) 156.3785 134 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 156.3785 Uh. [My] brothers [and sisters.] 158.9538 135 LES_int_01 156.8787 [Cool] 157.2749 136 LES_int_01 157.2749 (pause 0.82) 158.0995 137 LES_int_01 158.0995 [What school did you] go to? 159.4420 138 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 159.7532 Originally, /RD-SCHOOL-2/- 161.5457 139 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 161.5457 (pause 0.67) 162.2170 140 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 162.2170 um, um w- w- 163.7974 141 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 163.7974 (pause 0.09) 163.8829 142 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 163.8829 What was that? (laughing) What was- 165.5006 143 LES_int_01 165.6653 [] 166.8494 144 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 165.6690 [] Well, you got me now. 167.8772 145 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 168.3523 Um. /RD-SCHOOL-5/. 169.5730 146 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 169.5730 (pause 0.07) 169.6439 147 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 169.6439 [/RD-SCHOOL-7/] that's what it was. 171.5737 148 LES_int_01 170.0603 [Okay.] 170.5546 149 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 172.0740 [/RD-SCHOOL-8/. 173.2465 150 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 173.2465 (pause 0.33) 173.5760 151 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 173.5760 Then from there, 174.9002 152 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 174.9002 (pause 0.57) 175.4677 153 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 175.4677 I was transferred to a school, which at that time, seemed like it was a real far distance from my- 179.8965 154 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 179.8965 (pause 0.31) 180.2109 155 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 180.2109 from the original 181.1140 156 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 181.1140 (pause 0.13) 181.2483 157 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 181.2483 you know, it was like across the street, you know, from 182.7982 158 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 182.7982 (pause 0.31) 183.1033 159 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 183.1033 from my- a- where I [lived.] 184.4153 160 LES_int_01 184.2994 [Yeah.] 184.7501 161 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 185.1406 And they transferred fo- 186.3245 162 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 186.3245 (pause 0.13) 186.4587 163 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 186.4587 transferred us out of there 187.7035 164 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 187.7035 (pause 0.45) 188.1490 165 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 188.1490 in to 189.0338 166 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 189.0338 (pause 0.29) 189.3267 167 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 189.3267 another school. You know, was like especially set up for kids who were like a little more [intelligent than] 193.8638 168 LES_int_01 193.4273 [Right.] 193.7771 169 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 194.0530 [the average] kid. Yeah. Gifted kid. That's what they called us then. IGC. 197.1342 170 LES_int_01 194.0530 [Gifted.] 194.5899 171 LES_int_01 197.2928 [Right.] 197.7017 172 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 197.5979 [Intellectually] gifted children or whatever. 199.3248 173 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 199.6785 So, anyway, 200.3094 174 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 200.3094 (pause 0.18) 200.4863 175 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 200.4863 that was you know, they transferred us there, that was /RD-SCHOOL-4/. 203.3150 176 LES_int_01 204.0656 [Ah.] 204.4927 177 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 204.2059 [Now,] that school, even though then, it seemed like a far distance, like you know, you're a little kid in your third grade. 210.9703 178 LES_int_01 211.0862 [Right.] 211.4341 179 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 211.3120 [It's] like, I'm going to another school now? 213.0849 180 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 213.3168 And it seemed like it was like, in another country or 215.9959 181 LES_int_01 215.9959 Right. (laughing ) 216.5451 182 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 216.5756 but, it was like right 217.6018 183 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 217.6018 (pause 0.27) 217.8764 184 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 217.8764 down the [block (laughing)] It wasn't really that far. We took a short bus ride. 221.0313 185 LES_int_01 218.6758 [Yeah. (laughing)] 219.3105 186 LES_int_01 221.0984 [ Totally.] 221.9592 187 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 221.3181 [And we got] to get bus passes. That was [cool. You know.] 223.6568 188 LES_int_01 223.2229 [That was exciting.] 224.3701 189 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 224.0345 [And] we] got to get on the bus together. A few of us from the same 226.6767 190 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 227.0722 development went to that school, so. 228.8968 191 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 228.8968 (pause 0.12) 229.0188 192 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 229.0188 That- we went there 229.8426 193 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 229.8426 (pause 0.69) 230.5321 194 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 230.5321 for elementary school. 231.6427 195 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 231.6427 (pause 0.17) 231.8136 196 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 231.8136 Uh. 232.1858 197 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 232.1858 (pause 0.40) 232.5898 198 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 232.5898 Early elementary school. Then, from there, I think I went to junior high school. /RD-SCHOOL-2/ is Junior High School Fifty-six. [That was a-] 239.2256 199 LES_int_01 238.6398 [Uh-huh.] 239.2256 200 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 239.5832 Also, that was across the street from my [house.] 241.5510 201 LES_int_01 240.8748 [That's really close.] 241.8447 202 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 242.1072 Yeah. That was really close, that was like you could fall out of bed [and] 244.9345 203 LES_int_01 244.7479 [] 245.3728 204 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 245.1256 [and be there.] 245.6992 205 LES_int_01 245.9314 That must have been nice when [you were getting ready in the morning.] 248.1043 206 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 246.7660 [Yeah, that w-] 247.4249 207 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 247.4249 (pause 0.27) 247.6986 208 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 247.6986 [e- when you're late.] 248.3934 209 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 248.5053 Cause I was always late. 249.2001 210 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 249.2001 (pause 0.81) 250.0149 211 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 250.0149 Uh. Then from there, 251.5630 212 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 251.5630 (pause 0.11) 251.6749 213 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 251.6749 /RD-SCHOOL-5/. 253.0038 214 LES_int_01 253.2463 Okay. 253.6473 215 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 253.6473 Which was 254.2302 216 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 254.3794 is like right f- 255.3726 217 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 255.3726 (pause 0.44) 255.8117 218 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 255.8117 right around the corner from 257.0521 219 LES_int_01 257.2013 [Yeah.] 257.5525 220 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 257.4018 [well] now they call it something different I don't know what they call it now. It's not [/RD-SCHOOL-5/ now.] 260.9715 221 LES_int_01 260.7336 [It's] not? 261.2558 222 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 261.4470 No, it's Grand Street right [there. Right here.] 263.6829 223 LES_int_01 262.7970 [Yeah. Essex,] right? [Yeah.] 264.4850 224 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 264.1632 [Yeah.] 264.4850 225 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 264.5782 It's right here, and it [wasn't- I don't know what it's called now.] 267.1448 226 LES_int_01 265.5128 [Yeah, I thought it was /inaudible/.] 266.9045 227 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 267.5365 I think it's called something different now. 268.7815 228 LES_int_01 268.7815 Oh, okay. 269.3177 229 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 269.5128 But, that's where I went for high school. 270.7205 230 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 270.7205 (pause 0.28) 270.9956 231 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 270.9956 No, actually, I started out in /RD-SCHOOL-2/. I started out in /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 273.4063 232 LES_int_01 273.5602 Where's that? 274.1990 233 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 274.8844 Man, Ya- Okay. [Yeah. I don't exactly remember. /RD-SCHOOL-6/.] 280.0451 234 LES_int_01 276.3270 [Oh. Y- It's okay. I just haven't heard of it.] 278.4206 235 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 280.4508 I don't know if they're still around now, I really don't know. 282.1669 236 LES_int_01 282.6671 Oh. Yeah. I don't [know.] 283.7676 237 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 283.5018 [And what they teach.] 284.4483 238 Misc 283.6621 [They went out of print.] 284.4735 239 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 284.7235 Yeah, it's not there? 285.4889 240 LES_int_01 285.4889 They- he said [they went] out of [print.] 287.0836 241 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 286.1230 [Huh?] 286.3282 242 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 286.3282 (pause 0.49) 286.8225 243 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 286.8225 [ Yeah.] They- They probably did. That's probably what happened. 291.4181 244 Misc 288.1518 [Sorry.] 288.5621 245 LES_int_01 291.7767 /RD-NAME-2/, you're [interrupting.] 293.0944 246 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 292.5442 [] 294.9721 247 Misc 292.7758 [Sorry.] 293.2235 248 LES_int_01 293.9229 [] 294.9721 249 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 295.6715 I went there for a short time, and then I realized there's no girls in this school, [so.] 299.5870 250 LES_int_01 299.4564 [Was] it all [boys?] 300.6827 251 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 300.1605 [Yeah. It was] an all boys [school. I don't even know if they have that now.] 303.6859 252 LES_int_01 301.9582 [That's pro- s- That's not so much fun] 304.2594 253 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 303.9563 [Yeah.] 304.3107 254 LES_int_01 304.6371 when you're [a teen.] 305.4998 255 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 305.0148 [So,] I went there for 306.8336 256 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 307.1040 like, 307.3838 257 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 307.3838 (pause 0.12) 307.5003 258 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 307.5003 I ha- not even a semester. Six months or so. 309.4507 259 LES_int_01 309.5953 Mm-hm. 309.8797 260 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 309.8797 Realizes, ah, this is not 311.0455 261 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 311.1947 cool. [I don't] even know why I went there. 312.8440 262 LES_int_01 311.6176 [Mm.] 312.0186 263 LES_int_01 312.9326 [Mm-hm.] 313.3476 264 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 313.2217 [I] think I went there wi- my brother went there. He had 315.1474 265 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 315.2920 graduated from there and [um.] 317.2866 266 LES_int_01 316.8296 [Oh. Okay.] 317.2866 267 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 317.7155 So, I kind of went there because he was 319.5294 268 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 319.5294 (pause 0.19) 319.7206 269 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 319.7206 the- said it was a cool school, but 321.0775 270 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 321.0775 (pause 0.13) 321.2080 271 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 321.2080 you know, he left out the part about there's no girls in that school. 323.8368 272 LES_int_01 323.9953 No [fun.] 324.5455 273 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 324.4383 [So] I s- I ha- spent six months there, and then I 326.5179 274 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 327.0682 got into /RD-SCHOOL-5/, where I stayed and graduated 329.9207 275 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 329.9207 (pause 0.97) 330.8859 276 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 330.8859 in nineteen seventy-seven, I think it [was.] 333.3060 277 LES_int_01 333.1474 [Okay.] 333.6510 278 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 333.9716 [Uh. Uh. Oh. I'm dating us again, Kara. ] 336.4616 279 LES_int_01 333.9716 [And did you -] 335.0208 280 LES_int_01 335.0208 (pause 0.15) 335.1746 281 LES_int_01 335.1746 [No. Yeah, that's alright.] 336.4616 282 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 336.7740 Uh-oh. I messed up. [] 338.7837 283 LES_int_01 337.7719 [] 338.7837 284 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 338.8583 Um. 339.2873 285 LES_int_01 339.2873 And what did you do after high school? 340.4286 286 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 340.4286 After high school, I think I stayed out a semester, and I ended up going to a community college. 344.8910 287 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 345.3188 /RD-SCHOOL-10/ 346.8244 288 LES_int_01 346.6664 [Mm-hm.] 346.9788 289 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 347.2213 where I majored in accounting originally, and then I got into music, and changed my major to music, and. 353.6647 290 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 353.6647 (pause 1.23) 354.8910 291 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 354.8910 Uh. 355.2967 292 LES_int_01 355.6268 [You studied like, music theory?] 357.1469 293 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 355.7061 [Studied music there.] 356.7319 294 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 357.3101 Music theory. Um. 359.1323 295 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 359.1323 (pause 1.95) 361.0828 296 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 361.0828 Everything, pretty much, Bach Harmonies, and stuff like that. 363.6054 297 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 363.6054 (pause 0.12) 363.7220 298 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 363.7220 Um. 364.1463 299 LES_int_01 364.6301 Cool. 364.9705 300 LES_int_01 364.9705 (pause 0.65) 365.6233 301 LES_int_01 365.6233 [History. Music History.] 367.0082 302 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 365.8378 [The whole- yeah, history, jazz,] 367.7449 303 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 367.9827 stuff, you had everything in there pretty much. 370.0064 304 LES_int_01 370.0297 That's [great.] 370.6059 305 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 370.3173 [It's a] mixture of stuff. 371.1896 306 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 371.6886 Um. 372.1735 307 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 372.1735 (pause 0.87) 373.0455 308 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 373.0455 Actually, I didn't graduate from there, but I- I 374.9386 309 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 374.9386 (pause 0.20) 375.1391 310 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 375.1391 pretty much went 375.8339 311 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 375.8339 (pause 0.17) 376.0064 312 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 376.0064 you know. 376.6338 313 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 376.6338 (pause 0.39) 377.0208 314 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 377.0208 I went there for two years and 378.1679 315 LES_int_01 378.1912 Yeah, 378.4290 316 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 378.4290 didn't graduate and 379.2217 317 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 379.6507 ended up uh 380.4620 318 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 380.4620 (pause 0.39) 380.8560 319 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 380.8560 after all along, I was working in the supermarket as a 383.1548 320 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 383.1548 (pause 0.41) 383.5651 321 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 383.5651 you know, clerk, and then they [made me] the manager, not a manager, made me assistant manager there. 387.3150 322 LES_int_01 384.4697 [Yeah.] 384.7397 323 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 387.5435 /RD-WORK-1/ Supermarket. 388.9004 324 LES_int_01 387.7022 [What supermarket? an-] 388.9140 325 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 389.1247 [And-] 389.5154 326 LES_int_01 389.1247 [Where's that?] 389.5154 327 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 389.8008 /RD-WORK-1/ at that time were big- 391.2057 328 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 391.2057 (pause 0.29) 391.4998 329 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 391.4998 big, uh, uh chain of supermarkets back then. 394.1230 330 LES_int_01 394.3118 Were you working at one in the neighborhood? 395.7079 331 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 395.7435 I was working at the one in the village on 398.0353 332 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 398.0353 (pause 0.68) 398.7114 333 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 398.7114 /RD-ADDRESS-2/ 399.1674 334 LES_int_01 399.6333 Mm. Mm-hm. 400.3314 335 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 400.3314 Yeah /RD-ADDRESS-2/ and like 401.2692 336 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 401.6688 around /RD-ADDRESS-3/ 402.7400 337 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 402.7400 (pause 0.61) 403.3513 338 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 403.3513 I worked a f- in a few different ones, but I ended up on- 405.6935 339 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 405.6935 (pause 0.36) 406.0491 340 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 406.0491 on the 406.3872 341 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 406.3872 (pause 0.59) 406.9755 342 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 406.9755 /RD-ADDRESS-4/ 407.7921 343 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 407.7921 (pause 0.76) 408.5560 344 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 408.5560 uh, store. 409.1048 345 LES_int_01 409.3023 Okay. 409.6887 346 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 409.6887 Uh. Where they made me assistant manager there. 411.6138 347 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 411.8289 [And so,] 412.3733 348 LES_int_01 411.8289 [Mm-hm.] 412.1626 349 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 412.4787 you know, it was- it got 413.2997 350 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 413.2997 (pause 0.12) 413.4226 351 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 413.4226 you know, kind of 414.0987 352 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 414.0987 (pause 0.16) 414.2567 353 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 414.2567 busy there. I- I won't say that's why I- 415.7593 354 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 415.7593 (pause 0.27) 416.0315 355 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 416.0315 I didn't finish 416.6593 356 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 416.6593 (pause 0.74) 417.3990 357 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 417.3990 uh, uh 417.7195 358 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 417.7195 (pause 0.12) 417.8424 359 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 417.8424 graduate from- 418.5712 360 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 418.5712 (pause 0.11) 418.6766 361 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 418.6766 from college, but 419.7522 362 LES_int_01 420.0244 Yeah. 420.3932 363 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 420.6389 420.7216 364 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 420.7216 (pause 0.25) 420.9727 365 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 420.9727 you know, i- 421.4205 366 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 421.4205 (pause 0.47) 421.8903 367 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 421.8903 they were paying me enough money where I could feel- I- you know, I don't [have to go] to school, you know, whatever. Which was a mistake. 426.5506 368 LES_int_01 424.5749 [Yeah.] 424.8603 369 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 427.0423 Anyway. 427.5515 370 LES_int_01 427.5515 [Mm-hm.] 427.9247 371 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 427.7974 [Um.] 428.3330 372 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 428.6359 Did that for a while. 429.8330 373 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 429.8330 (pause 1.45) 431.2818 374 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 431.2818 Um. 432.4627 375 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 432.4627 (pause 0.29) 432.7569 376 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 432.7569 End up 433.3452 377 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 433.3452 (pause 0.21) 433.5559 378 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 433.5559 moving into Brooklyn, 435.7774 379 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 435.7774 (pause 0.50) 436.2735 380 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 436.2735 left the neighborhood for a while, but not too far. [Williamsburg] section of Brooklyn, right over the bridge. 440.4003 381 LES_int_01 438.4242 [Okay.] 438.7958 382 LES_int_01 440.4003 Mm-hm. 440.8174 383 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 441.1379 In um 441.9589 384 LES_int_01 442.1257 I used to live [there actually.] 443.3901 385 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 443.0521 [Yeah?] 443.3857 386 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 443.5024 [Yeah.] Lived there for like three years, I actually had a roommate who was /RD-NAME-2/ 446.3912 387 LES_int_01 443.5131 [Yeah.] 443.7922 388 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 446.9971 /RD-NAME-2/, we'd be [roommates there.] 448.3756 389 LES_int_01 447.9542 [Ah.] 448.2746 390 LES_int_01 448.4898 Mm-hm. 448.9156 391 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 449.4190 And we lived there for like three years. I forget the exact three years [we were there.] 452.4000 392 LES_int_01 451.7718 [This is like in your] twenties? 452.8475 393 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 453.4756 Yeah, we were early twenties, then. Like, we- we kind of moved out 456.3875 394 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 456.3875 (pause 0.11) 456.5016 395 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 456.5016 early 457.1250 396 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 457.1250 (pause 0.28) 457.4060 397 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 457.4060 twenties. 457.9811 398 LES_int_01 458.1655 You moved out of LaGuardia. 459.4025 399 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 459.5078 Yeah, moved out of there. 460.5088 400 LES_int_01 460.5088 Mm-hm. 460.8688 401 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 461.1196 And moved into the- a loft we had- we had in, um, Brooklyn. 464.7679 402 LES_int_01 464.9007 Mm-hm. 465.1597 403 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 465.1597 [Storefront] loft, which was really nice 466.7183 404 LES_int_01 466.8456 Mm-hm. 467.2715 405 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 467.2715 at the time. 467.8773 406 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 468.3910 Um. 469.1117 407 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 469.1117 (pause 0.60) 469.7087 408 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 469.7087 Where we had a little rehearsal studio there, and we did all our musical stuff, and had our equipment and pianos and stuff 475.8079 409 LES_int_01 476.0977 [Mm-hm.] 476.4577 410 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 476.2689 [had a] lot of fun there. His band rehearsed there. 478.3521 411 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 479.4277 479.5243 412 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 479.5243 (pause 0.45) 479.9765 413 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 479.9765 Then after that, 480.7448 414 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 480.7448 (pause 0.09) 480.8309 415 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 480.8309 let me see, I'm losing there [/??/.] 482.8285 416 LES_int_01 482.3675 [] 483.3504 417 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 483.0299 [I should] know more now, but after that, I think we- 485.9011 418 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 486.7704 we decided we didn't want to renew our lease. 488.5715 419 LES_int_01 488.7823 Okay. 489.0413 420 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 489.0413 He was gonna get married. Oh. Not married, I don't think he got married, at the time, or he was gonna have a kid. Oh it was a lot of things going on [there.] 495.1646 421 LES_int_01 494.9495 [Right.] 495.3534 422 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 495.5114 And I was with a woman at the time, and w- decided oh, we- you know, we're just gonna go 498.9079 423 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 498.9079 (pause 0.17) 499.0747 424 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 499.0747 you know, our separate- not separate ways, but w- you know, we're not gonna have this place anymore. 502.4431 425 LES_int_01 502.4431 Right. 502.8163 426 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 503.6160 And we did that. 504.4809 427 LES_int_01 504.7267 Mm-hm. 505.1701 428 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 505.5038 I moved where ever I moved, which was I think up in, uh, 508.5331 429 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 508.5331 (pause 1.45) 509.9846 430 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 509.9846 uh 510.3534 431 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 510.3534 (pause 0.21) 510.5603 432 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 510.5603 around Lincoln Center area. 511.7676 433 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 511.7676 (pause 0.54) 512.3027 434 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 512.3027 I think he [stay- he s-] 513.7295 435 LES_int_01 512.9173 [Oh, okay. Back] into Manhattan. 514.4188 436 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 514.4188 Yeah. Back into Manhattan. 515.6470 437 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 516.2045 He stayed here on the Lower East Side 518.2284 438 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 518.2284 (pause 0.18) 518.4106 439 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 518.4106 uh, and 519.7145 440 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 519.7145 (pause 0.41) 520.1228 441 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 520.1228 got married, and 521.9228 442 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 521.9228 (pause 0.14) 522.0589 443 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 522.0589 had kids I think. 523.0994 444 LES_int_01 523.3233 Mm-hm. 523.6746 445 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 523.7404 Uh. Or kid. 524.5921 446 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 524.5921 (pause 0.75) 525.3413 447 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 525.3413 At that time. 526.1887 448 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 526.1887 (pause 0.73) 526.9174 449 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 526.9174 Um. 527.6287 450 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 527.6287 (pause 0.22) 527.8482 451 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 527.8482 I had a little baby girl also around that [time. I think I was] about twenty-six at the time. 532.6643 452 LES_int_01 530.5244 [Oh, you did?] 531.2400 453 LES_int_01 533.0225 [Wonderful.] 533.5636 454 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 533.3239 [When we] had a little girl and- 534.6059 455 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 534.9703 and just started, you know. 535.9274 456 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 535.9274 (pause 0.41) 536.3368 457 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 536.3368 This whole family thing. [Still] in Manhattan. 538.4973 458 LES_int_01 537.5490 [Mm-hm.] 537.8871 459 LES_int_01 538.9276 Mm-hm. 539.3095 460 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 539.4303 You know, for a 540.0010 461 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 540.0010 (pause 0.69) 540.6947 462 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 540.6947 I lived in Manhattan most- I just recently 542.7306 463 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 542.7306 (pause 0.15) 542.8799 464 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 542.8799 actually moved to the Bronx. 543.9380 465 LES_int_01 544.4472 And did you ever move back to the Lower East Side? 546.5392 466 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 546.5392 I did, actually. 547.3645 467 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 547.4611 A- For- for a short 548.4270 468 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 548.4270 (pause 0.08) 548.5060 469 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 548.5060 while. My mother was still living here on the Lower East Side. 550.8109 470 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 550.8109 (pause 0.11) 550.9207 471 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 550.9207 She [lived there-] 551.7021 472 LES_int_01 551.2412 [In LaGuardia?] 551.9700 473 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 551.9700 Yeah. She still lived there. 553.0928 474 LES_int_01 553.0928 Mm-hm. 553.4528 475 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 553.6108 And she had retired 554.6337 476 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 554.6337 (pause 1.05) 555.6830 477 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 555.6830 and then she became ill and 557.1241 478 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 557.1241 (pause 0.11) 557.2339 479 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 557.2339 passed away. 557.8397 480 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 557.8397 (pause 0.77) 558.6124 481 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 558.6124 And so, we moved back 560.9590 482 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 560.9590 (pause 0.16) 561.1171 483 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 561.1171 in, in the hopes of we could get that apartment. 563.4900 484 LES_int_01 563.7578 [Yeah.] 564.1837 485 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 563.8193 [You know] we could kind of 564.8729 486 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 565.2198 regain that apartment. My bro- my older brother was still living there at the time. 568.2699 487 LES_int_01 568.4060 Okay. 568.8318 488 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 568.9240 And he um, 570.1138 489 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 570.1138 (pause 1.68) 571.7909 490 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 571.7909 he was on the lease. You know, if you ha- it's a special 574.3389 491 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 574.3389 (pause 0.24) 574.5760 492 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 574.5760 thing. You have to [be on the lease, if you. Yeah.] 576.2355 493 LES_int_01 574.9755 [Yeah, you can pass it on right?] 576.5648 494 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 576.5823 Yeah, but if you're not on the lease, then you can't. 578.9498 495 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 578.9498 (pause 0.52) 579.4711 496 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 579.4711 So, he was on the lease. 581.0779 497 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 581.0779 (pause 0.19) 581.2667 498 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 581.2667 And none of us el- 582.2326 499 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 582.2326 (pause 0.10) 582.3336 500 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 582.3336 none- [no w- I weren't] 584.1336 501 LES_int_01 582.9131 [You weren't on the lease.] 584.2214 502 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 584.3224 I wasn't. So. 584.9941 503 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 584.9941 (pause 1.23) 586.2193 504 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 586.2193 What ended up happening, he died. 588.1335 505 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 588.1335 (pause 1.07) 589.1988 506 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 589.1988 With uh, without me ever getting on the lease. 591.2139 507 LES_int_01 591.2930 [Oh no.] 592.0349 508 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 591.8769 [And] so, I had to leave that apartment where I grew up actually, again. 595.2003 509 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 595.3101 You [know.] 595.6009 510 LES_int_01 595.4857 [Oh.] 596.1848 511 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 597.0760 [And.] 597.5458 512 LES_int_01 597.0760 [That's sad.] 597.7214 513 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 597.7214 Yeah, nah, it was so- yeah it was okay. I- I- maybe it was time to get out of the neighborhood anyway at that time. 601.8175 514 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 602.4173 Um. 602.8915 515 LES_int_01 602.8915 When was this that you were back and 604.5598 516 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 605.0505 [I was back in around] two thousand and one, I [think.] 608.1665 517 LES_int_01 605.1460 [Were you here for a few years?] 606.6518 518 LES_int_01 606.6518 (pause 1.35) 608.0040 519 LES_int_01 608.0040 [Oh,] tha- so it was recently? 609.1806 520 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 609.1806 Yeah. 609.4792 521 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 609.9401 I think 610.5021 522 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 610.5021 (pause 0.08) 610.5855 523 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 610.5855 I left 611.2836 524 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 611.2836 (pause 1.24) 612.5201 525 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 612.5201 uh. 612.9679 526 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 612.9679 (pause 0.24) 613.2050 527 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 613.2050 I was living in Harlem at the time, I ended up moving in Harlem 615.7118 528 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 615.7118 (pause 0.45) 616.1640 529 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 616.1640 like a block away from where my father grew up. 618.1150 530 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 618.1150 (pause 0.16) 618.2774 531 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 618.2774 You know. 618.5233 532 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 618.5233 (pause 0.34) 618.8657 533 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 618.8657 [For a while there.] 619.4935 534 LES_int_01 618.9316 [You've be- you've] lived all over the city. 620.6262 535 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 620.6262 Yeah, yeah. 621.0477 536 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 621.3418 Manhattan, though. I've always like [Manhattan you know.] 622.9251 537 LES_int_01 622.6046 [You like] Manhattan. 623.5000 538 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 623.6670 [Not like anything.] 624.2838 539 LES_int_01 623.6670 [But, now, recently,] 624.7272 540 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 625.1311 Now, I'm [in the Bronx.] 626.4438 541 LES_int_01 625.5351 [You've crossed up] into [the Bronx. How do you like it up there?] 628.5205 542 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 627.0278 [Yeah, way f-] 628.2526 543 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 629.1437 It's just far away. 630.1929 544 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 630.1929 (pause 0.20) 630.3976 545 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 630.3976 You know. [It's just] distant and 632.5664 546 LES_int_01 630.6184 [Yeah.] 631.0136 547 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 632.8562 [you don't have] some of the amenities that you have here [in the city. So] you know. 636.5359 548 LES_int_01 632.8562 [/unintelligible/] 633.4957 549 LES_int_01 633.4957 (pause 1.79) 635.2825 550 LES_int_01 635.2825 [Yeah.] 635.7742 551 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 637.0879 Yeah, I- ha - my home, most of the time. There's nothing you don't 639.5521 552 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 639.5521 (pause 0.29) 639.8418 553 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 639.8418 not a time for tra- unless I'm doing something like this. 642.0270 554 LES_int_01 642.0929 Yeah. 642.5056 555 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 642.6504 You know, don't get out and start traveling around, you know. 644.9817 556 LES_int_01 644.9077 It takes a long time. 645.9366 557 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 646.1319 Very long time. Take me a hour and a half maybe to get here. 648.3095 558 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 648.3095 (pause 0.85) 649.1612 559 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 649.1612 Um. 649.6310 560 LES_int_01 649.6873 Yeah. I have a s- my sister-in-law lives in Washington Heights. 653.5568 561 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 654.1714 Okay. Yeah. 654.8739 562 LES_int_01 654.8739 I [mean, that's a little closer, but still.] From this neighborhood, it's at least an hour, and on the weekends, with the- 660.3946 563 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 655.0187 [Alright.] 655.3480 564 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 655.3480 (pause 0.27) 655.6197 565 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 655.6197 [I mean, that's clo- yeah, yeah. Yeah.] 657.4153 566 LES_int_01 660.5088 when the A is local. 661.6947 567 LES_int_01 661.6947 (pause 1.12) 662.8098 568 LES_int_01 662.8098 Forget [it.] 663.4857 569 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 663.0820 [Yeah. You] never know on the weekends. You don't know- [never know] what the train is gonna be like. 666.9443 570 LES_int_01 664.9424 [I know.] 665.4385 571 LES_int_01 666.9443 I know. I know. 667.9805 572 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 668.3009 And 668.6522 573 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 668.6522 (pause 0.84) 669.4911 574 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 669.4911 [for that reason,] 670.2506 575 LES_int_01 669.5833 [Uh.] 669.9477 576 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 670.5096 you know, 670.7994 577 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 670.7994 (pause 0.22) 671.0189 578 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 671.0189 [I stay home most of the time.] 671.9101 579 LES_int_01 671.0672 [Se- L- um.] 671.9101 580 LES_int_01 672.0692 So, I wanna go back to your- your er- kind of earliest memories of 676.0205 581 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 676.0205 [Okay.] 676.3146 582 LES_int_01 676.1478 [about] the neighborhood. Um. Wha- ha- 678.7864 583 LES_int_01 678.8917 who were your friends? When you were a little kid? 681.0825 584 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 681.3953 [Well, most of the friends.] 682.4006 585 LES_int_01 681.3953 [And what did you play?] 682.4006 586 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 682.7914 Most of the friends 683.5158 587 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 683.5158 (pause 0.97) 684.4816 588 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 684.4816 lived in the building or in that 685.9008 589 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 685.9008 (pause 0.67) 686.5681 590 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 686.5681 you know 686.9149 591 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 686.9149 (pause 0.29) 687.2091 592 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 687.2091 complex or [whatever you] wanna call it. 688.5525 593 LES_int_01 687.8109 [Yeah.] 688.0875 594 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 689.4745 In that project 690.2735 595 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 690.2735 (pause 0.19) 690.4623 596 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 690.4623 development, uh 691.5379 597 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 691.5379 (pause 0.33) 691.8693 598 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 691.8693 most of the- most of us, you know, you- 693.4279 599 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 693.4279 (pause 0.33) 693.7572 600 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 693.7572 you play with whoever lived there. 695.0276 601 LES_int_01 695.3217 Yeah. 695.6071 602 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 695.9539 Basically. 696.4983 603 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 696.4983 (pause 0.49) 696.9900 604 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 696.9900 [Um.] 697.5037 605 LES_int_01 697.2117 [And who] lived there? Now, /RD-NAME-2/ mentioned he was 699.5649 606 LES_int_01 699.6659 in the minority. 700.6142 607 LES_int_01 700.6142 (pause 1.59) 702.2023 608 LES_int_01 702.2023 You [know. /inaudible/] 704.0418 609 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 702.5491 [Well it back- I don't know. Then-] then, it w- there would've- there were not a lots 706.6672 610 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 706.8648 of 707.0448 611 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 707.0448 (pause 0.58) 707.6199 612 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 707.6199 there were Jews in the area maybe, but not in that development. 710.1218 613 LES_int_01 710.1218 Right. 710.5345 614 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 710.9077 No, there were Jews in that development. There weren't uh- 712.6770 615 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 712.6770 (pause 0.33) 713.0062 616 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 713.0062 they weren't in abundance. 714.1186 617 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 714.1186 (pause 0.64) 714.7612 618 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 714.7612 And there was a mixture, you know, it was [all kind of-] it was 716.7588 619 LES_int_01 716.0695 [You were-] 716.3110 620 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 716.9564 you know. 717.3712 621 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 717.3712 (pause 0.09) 717.4590 622 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 717.4590 Few Chinese, you had- you had little Spanish, you had 720.4576 623 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 720.4576 (pause 0.15) 720.6116 624 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 720.6116 Italian, you had a little bit of everything back then. 722.8635 625 LES_int_01 722.9732 Okay. 723.3859 626 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 723.6845 Um. 724.1487 627 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 724.1487 (pause 1.02) 725.1673 628 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 725.1673 I guess black was a majority in there, in the- in- in that development. I- I- I like, I don't even say that 730.3686 629 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 730.3686 (pause 0.14) 730.5135 630 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 730.5135 then 730.7945 631 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 730.7945 (pause 0.10) 730.8911 632 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 730.8911 not back way- when- I'm talking about when I was three or four. 733.8551 633 LES_int_01 733.8551 Yeah. 734.2846 634 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 734.3775 And stuff. I don't- I don't 735.3439 635 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 735.3439 (pause 0.10) 735.4405 636 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 735.4405 know if that was- 736.5512 637 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 736.5512 (pause 0.82) 737.3722 638 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 737.3722 there was any majority. It might have [been a balance. Yeah. Yeah.] 740.3949 639 LES_int_01 738.8363 [It was just really mixed.] 740.2469 640 LES_int_01 740.6188 And your friends kind of reflected that. 742.2062 641 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 742.2062 Yeah. And everybody kind of, we played- everybody played together. 745.4481 642 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 745.7263 [You know, and there was.] 746.4809 643 LES_int_01 745.8838 [What did you play?] 746.6126 644 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 747.6399 Oh, we played 748.4653 645 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 748.4653 (pause 0.25) 748.7112 646 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 748.7112 tag, that was the- no. No. No. What was that thing we played? 751.4177 647 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 751.4177 (pause 0.40) 751.8173 648 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 751.8173 Where we'd run around 753.1431 649 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 753.1431 (pause 0.14) 753.2836 650 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 753.2836 it wasn't [tag.] 754.1178 651 LES_int_01 754.0573 [Were] you playing [tha- y-] you [had um.] 755.8058 652 Misc 754.6556 [Manhunt.] 755.1473 653 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 755.4837 [Yeah.] Manhunt. 756.2739 654 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 756.3573 Right. 756.6120 655 LES_int_01 756.7366 [Uh. you had a- uh.] Like a 758.2995 656 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 756.7832 [Manhunt.] 757.2889 657 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 757.2889 (pause 0.20) 757.4848 658 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 757.4848 [Right.] 757.6806 659 LES_int_01 758.4647 playground? 759.1276 660 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 759.9574 [Yeah, oh, I mean,] 761.0483 661 LES_int_01 760.0561 [/inaudible/] 761.0483 662 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 761.5883 i- 761.7596 663 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 761.7596 (pause 0.33) 762.0932 664 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 762.0932 we didn't really play in the [playground that much.] 764.3514 665 LES_int_01 763.5547 [Where'd you play? Like] on the street? 764.7671 666 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 764.9396 Yeah, we'd just run around the whole development. 766.5563 667 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 766.5563 (pause 0.17) 766.7276 668 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 766.7276 You know, and we'd play- that's the name of the game, manhunt. [Right.] 769.2223 669 LES_int_01 768.7466 [Yeah.] Yeah. [I've heard of that.] 769.9776 670 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 769.5673 [I don't even] remember that. 770.5232 671 LES_int_01 770.6444 Somebody hides. 771.5770 672 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 771.9221 Yeah, and you just. And I forgot exactly how the rules of that game. 775.1581 673 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 775.1581 (pause 0.88) 776.0393 674 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 776.0393 [How did that go?] 776.7294 675 LES_int_01 776.1093 [It's-] 776.4870 676 LES_int_01 776.9393 you just try to find them? 778.0532 677 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 778.2522 Yeah, and you just [kind of] 779.1848 678 LES_int_01 778.7668 [Is that.] 779.1848 679 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 779.3059 I think it was a group of people 780.7795 680 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 780.7795 (pause 0.29) 781.0686 681 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 781.0686 you know, it was a group- you get a 782.0385 682 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 782.0385 (pause 0.09) 782.1271 683 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 782.1271 couple of groups together, and they just like hunt each other down, and [try to find- chase each other] down. 786.2231 684 LES_int_01 784.5618 [Right.] 784.9908 685 LES_int_01 784.9908 (pause 0.12) 785.1074 686 LES_int_01 785.1074 [Oh. Yeah.] 785.8395 687 LES_int_01 786.6148 Is it [a flag?] 787.3935 688 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 786.7547 [And] 787.0204 689 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 787.9297 [No.] We just tagged you I think, and that made you part of our team or something like [that. How did that go?] 792.3744 690 LES_int_01 788.1005 [No.] 788.3515 691 LES_int_01 788.3515 (pause 3.24) 791.5930 692 LES_int_01 791.5930 [Oh.] I think you're right. 793.3929 693 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 793.3929 Yeah, I forget how that went. 794.5679 694 LES_int_01 794.9639 I did play it too. [I /inaudible/.] 796.6379 695 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 795.8779 [And then, you'd hunt] down to the last guy, and then I forgot what happened. We'd probably do it all over again. 799.6035 696 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 799.7201 You know. 800.1164 697 LES_int_01 800.1164 Right. 800.6900 698 LES_int_01 800.6900 (pause 0.10) 800.7926 699 LES_int_01 800.7926 Or p- [/inaudible/] 802.0411 700 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 801.0385 [Kick the can. We played] that. I played that.[Kick the can.] 803.5425 701 LES_int_01 802.9449 [What's kick the can?] 803.8122 702 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 803.7430 [Kick] the can, you just got in the middle of the street, 805.7108 703 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 806.1304 and you get a group of people on one side, and another group of people on the other side, and then put the can in the middle. 811.1627 704 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 811.1627 (pause 1.13) 812.2957 705 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 812.2957 It's a silly game if you think about it. You [kick the can] 817.5870 706 LES_int_01 816.6648 [And then what- and] then what happens? 818.4216 707 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 818.7723 [Wait. Wait. Wait. I forget] exactly. 820.4274 708 LES_int_01 818.7723 [Everyone runs at it?] 819.6773 709 Misc 820.1805 [It's like] that capture the flag thing. 821.8922 710 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 821.9850 Yeah. You kick [the can, and then somebody had to chase it. What was the thing? I think you forget that.] 825.6596 711 Misc 822.2522 [The can. /inaudible/] 825.1857 712 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 826.1710 I know we played it and that was a big game [back then.] 828.4989 713 LES_int_01 827.9021 [Wait.] 828.1819 714 LES_int_01 828.1819 (pause 0.15) 828.3319 715 LES_int_01 828.3319 [Had] two groups on one side, [a can in the middle.] 830.6017 716 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 829.5480 [It was a group on one side and.] 830.6149 717 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 830.7071 Yeah. And a can in the middle and it would run- who could kick the can first. 833.4718 718 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 833.4718 (pause 0.42) 833.8933 719 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 833.8933 Then you [kicked the c] 834.8663 720 Misc 834.1645 [/inaudible/] 834.8578 721 LES_int_01 834.1827 [Everyone ran] at the can [at the same time?] 836.7296 722 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 835.7004 [Yeah.] And somebody would have to kick i- I forget how exactly that went man. It was a silly [game.] 840.0281 723 Misc 839.7998 [It's illegal in /inaudible/] 841.2753 724 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 840.3794 [] 842.3067 725 LES_int_01 841.6438 [] 842.3067 726 LES_int_01 842.7463 I just don't really [get] 843.6111 727 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 843.4927 [So,] 843.7781 728 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 843.9010 [I don't get the poi- No- I don't either.] 845.9776 729 LES_int_01 844.0129 [the point.] 844.5814 730 Misc 844.6589 [/inaudible/] 846.7283 731 LES_int_01 845.9864 [] 846.7415 732 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 846.1795 [You know,] when you're a kid, [it is no point to a lot of games. You know, you just] do stuff, you know? 850.0367 733 LES_int_01 847.5943 [ Yeah.] 849.3724 734 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 850.4166 There's no point to it really. 851.5970 735 LES_int_01 851.6761 Now, [/inaudible/] 852.3648 736 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 851.9565 [Checkers.] Slu- uh. We played skellzies though. 853.7345 737 LES_int_01 853.8882 Oh yes. [Go- with the marbles?] 855.8287 738 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 854.7092 [We plays skellzies.] 855.8287 739 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 856.1975 No, no, [no,] no. These were like 857.9580 740 LES_int_01 856.7093 [No.] 856.9464 741 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 859.2986 let's say 860.0801 742 LES_int_01 860.0801 Oh, no. That's [pocket.] 861.1320 743 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 861.0152 [can] 861.4499 744 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 861.6595 you know, let's say you get bottle tops. 863.1697 745 LES_int_01 863.8327 Oh. [Skellzies.] 865.0663 746 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 864.8556 [Yeah.] And you fill it with clay. 866.0849 747 LES_int_01 866.1771 Or [wax or something?] 867.7751 748 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 866.3527 [You know, y- y- you] k- you know, I- you modify your top though. You know, you- so you have, you know 871.3190 749 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 871.6790 your top floats across the ground really good. 873.8835 750 LES_int_01 872.1974 [You make it like] 872.9657 751 LES_int_01 873.8835 aerodynamic. [] 875.2971 752 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 874.5903 [Yeah. Exactly.] Exactly. You slide it on the floor, and you scrape it 878.1382 753 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 878.3665 til it's smooth so it goes across the floor really quick. 880.9589 754 LES_int_01 881.1521 Okay. 881.5823 755 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 881.6965 And it's accurate, and you- you know, it [helps] the accuracy on it. 884.3789 756 LES_int_01 883.1241 [Right.] 883.4139 757 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 884.5817 You know. Or if you were really good, 886.4336 758 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 886.4336 (pause 0.19) 886.6224 759 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 886.6224 and your father used the shaving cream, right. 888.8713 760 LES_int_01 889.0247 [Yeah.] 889.2961 761 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 889.1565 [There] was a special top that they used to have on the shaving cream. If you had one of those tops, then- 892.7609 762 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 892.9189 and you pulled one of those out, we knew we would be in trouble because 895.6535 763 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 895.6535 (pause 0.36) 896.0162 764 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 896.0162 those tops just were made 897.3641 765 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 897.3641 (pause 0.13) 897.4958 766 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 897.4958 [for skellzies. You know.] Yeah. Exactly.] 899.1421 767 LES_int_01 897.4958 [They were perfect.] 898.4623 768 LES_int_01 899.2782 And the point [was to] 900.5075 769 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 899.7831 [And you put some] 900.4855 770 LES_int_01 900.9710 [slide it.] 901.5901 771 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 901.0501 [you know, you-] you'd have to go from box to box. This game I remember now. 904.1832 772 LES_int_01 904.1832 Yeah. 904.4466 773 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 904.5827 You'd have to go, you'd start in box one, 906.3476 774 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 906.3476 (pause 0.35) 906.6944 775 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 906.6944 box two was like diagonally across this thing that we'd draw [out of chalk.] 910.7840 776 LES_int_01 910.1474 [And how far] away? Like feet away? Or. 912.3996 777 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 912.6498 Maybe 913.3567 778 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 913.3567 (pause 1.13) 914.4894 779 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 914.4894 not ten feet. But about seven feet. 916.8172 780 LES_int_01 917.1158 [So it was like a big] 918.1914 781 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 917.2299 [The next box] 918.1651 782 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 918.4943 Yeah. You had- you had to [draw this] thing on the ground. You know, this whole thing. 921.8211 783 LES_int_01 919.3554 [area.] 919.8427 784 LES_int_01 921.8913 Okay. 922.3216 785 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 922.4094 And, so you drew it out on the ground, and you ha- you know, we didn't actually measure it, but. [] But. 927.3151 786 LES_int_01 926.4282 [Yeah, yeah, yeah.] 927.1131 787 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 927.9034 And then you'd sh- you'd shoot your checker from box one to box two, and then you went to three, 932.3902 788 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 932.3902 (pause 0.32) 932.7063 789 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 932.7063 then you went to four, and you went all the way to thirteen. 935.0244 790 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 935.0244 (pause 0.33) 935.3536 791 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 935.3536 And if you got through all that, and you were the last guy standing, you were the winner. [You know, that kind of thing.] 940.4277 792 LES_int_01 939.3214 [You were the winner. And] could you um, 941.3585 793 LES_int_01 941.6438 like, 941.8917 794 LES_int_01 941.8917 (pause 0.30) 942.1902 795 LES_int_01 942.1902 push another guy's 943.6171 796 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 943.6171 Yeah. You could [knock] hi- you could knock him out of the box. If he's near the box, you could knock him out of the box 948.3834 797 LES_int_01 944.1395 [out?] 944.4995 798 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 948.7610 and what would happen is 950.1527 799 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 950.1527 (pause 0.42) 950.5698 800 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 950.5698 if, um. 951.4549 801 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 951.4549 (pause 1.01) 952.4647 802 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 952.4647 I- what was [another rule there?] 953.8828 803 Misc 953.0289 [You had to start from a certain.] 954.3109 804 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 954.0672 [Yeah.] Yeah. You'd have to go out. You'd have to really go- I wanna think- it was like- I forget. 958.2505 805 LES_int_01 957.3094 [You were penalized somehow.] 958.9384 806 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 958.3866 [Yeah. Sort of] like that. [And you had to] start like not even 960.9988 807 LES_int_01 959.5398 [Yeah.] 959.8603 808 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 961.3369 on the block. You would had to like two blocks away, you had to shoot your checker. (laughing) 964.9753 809 LES_int_01 965.0955 [Oh.] 965.5246 810 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 965.1750 [Until] you got (laughing) with the rest of the guys. 967.7697 811 LES_int_01 965.8685 [Oh. (laughing )] 966.8212 812 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 968.0024 It wasn't really all that, but. 969.2141 813 LES_int_01 969.3637 That's [funny.] 970.2637 814 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 969.6004 [It was something] like that. 970.7243 815 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 970.8165 And that was a game I remember we did a lot of. 972.9957 816 LES_int_01 973.1801 Okay. 973.5840 817 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 974.3567 [Um.] 974.7313 818 LES_int_01 974.4547 [Were] your, uh, were your parents strict? Or uh, [easy going? like were you] able to kind of go out and explore as a kid? 982.0123 819 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 978.2454 [Yeah. And] 979.2727 820 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 982.5259 Yeah, well you- you d- un- in- as long as you were back by six o'clock. Before the 986.2220 821 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 986.2220 (pause 0.15) 986.3756 822 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 986.3756 before it got dark. [] 987.8859 823 LES_int_01 987.3503 [Okay.] 987.8859 824 LES_int_01 988.1592 [Okay.] 988.5411 825 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 988.1855 [You could explore] whatever you want. 989.3972 826 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 989.6938 But, if you weren't back by six o'clock, then you'd there would be a problem with your next day's 993.5880 827 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 993.5880 (pause 0.25) 993.8382 828 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 993.8382 explorations, [you know what I'm saying (laughing). ] 996.5251 829 LES_int_01 994.6856 [I believe it, I see.] 996.2649 830 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 996.7578 [] 997.8290 831 LES_int_01 996.7578 [So, you'd get in trouble if] you didn't get [back by five.] But 999.3480 832 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 998.1846 [Yeah. Exactly.] 999.1153 833 LES_int_01 999.5456 [But they knew you were-] 1000.5460 834 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 999.6553 [Pretty much.] 1000.4680 835 LES_int_01 1000.6733 you're mom wasn't 1001.8982 836 LES_int_01 1001.8982 (pause 0.17) 1002.0694 837 LES_int_01 1002.0694 keeping tabs on you during the [day? You got to-] 1004.2587 838 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1003.4699 [No. Pretty much] you kind of did what you d- I was responsible. So, you [know,] I- you know, I guess other kids who 1009.0045 839 LES_int_01 1007.0147 [Yeah.] 1007.2386 840 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1009.1011 you know, did crazy things, you know, people you know, had to be monitored a little bit more. 1012.1787 841 LES_int_01 1012.3631 Right. 1012.7538 842 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1012.8943 But, I was pretty responsible, so. 1014.5193 843 LES_int_01 1014.9171 And were [you-] 1015.6089 844 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1015.3916 [I didn't think.] 1015.8394 845 LES_int_01 1015.9470 were you staying kind of close to home when you went out and about? [or did you.] 1019.7698 846 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1019.3220 [Yeah. Pretty] much stayed in the neighborhood. 1021.0825 847 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1021.3064 You know, younger, stayed in the neighborhood, and then 1023.1792 848 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1023.1792 (pause 1.19) 1024.3646 849 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1024.3646 you know, girls got involved, and you would go visit girls, 1026.7694 850 LES_int_01 1026.7211 [] 1027.3796 851 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1027.1645 [that was-] you'd go in other neighborhoods and 1028.8021 852 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1029.1975 [you know.] 1029.6893 853 LES_int_01 1029.1975 [Where ever the girls were.] 1030.3477 854 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1029.8166 [You would have to] see l- 1030.7473 855 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1030.9010 it's only like project developments, you'd go from like the LaGuardia 1034.2733 856 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1034.2733 (pause 0.28) 1034.5498 857 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1034.5498 [houses] 1035.0728 858 LES_int_01 1034.5498 [Right.] 1034.8729 859 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1035.4855 to the 1036.0643 860 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1036.0643 (pause 0.32) 1036.3804 861 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1036.3804 uh 1036.6850 862 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1036.6850 (pause 0.18) 1036.8694 863 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1036.8694 what was that uh 1037.7562 864 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1037.7562 (pause 0.76) 1038.5201 865 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1038.5201 what's the thing behind 1039.2681 866 Misc 1039.4130 /RD-NAME-1/ and them. 1039.9530 867 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1039.9530 No. No. Yeah. Well, they were in a whole nother thing, but what's the- Vladecks Houses 1043.7544 868 LES_int_01 1043.7544 Vladecks. [Yeah.] 1044.3934 869 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1044.2622 [You] know. And i- and it was territorial back then a little bit. 1046.9761 870 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1047.0511 You know. 1047.4402 871 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1047.4402 (pause 0.26) 1047.7044 872 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1047.7044 And everybody knew you were from LaGuardia, you're not from, you know, you're not from the Vladeck, so. 1051.6232 873 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1051.6232 (pause 0.26) 1051.8811 874 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1051.8811 [It was some little territorial thing.] 1053.6131 875 LES_int_01 1051.8811 [Were- was one better than the] other? 1054.1568 876 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1054.1568 No. It was all the same thing. 1055.2209 877 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1055.5678 Pretty much all the same thing. But you had different groups of people, 1058.1225 878 LES_int_01 1058.1159 Mm-hm. 1058.5571 879 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1058.5538 who 1058.7882 880 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1058.9663 recognized that we're Vladecks, and you're the 1061.2362 881 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1061.2362 (pause 0.10) 1061.3346 882 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1061.3346 thing and you know, as you walked into their project development, you know, people would take notice, you know. 1065.6707 883 LES_int_01 1065.7193 This kind of sounds like [a little gang-like.] 1067.7584 884 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1066.7318 [Yeah tha- and.] 1067.7349 885 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1067.9365 Sort of. A little bit. A little bit. They got into that later on. You know, I don't remember exactly when that started, but 1073.2991 886 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1073.2991 (pause 0.33) 1073.6319 887 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1073.6319 it got into a little thing like that. I'm from The Hill, you know, you're from 1076.7310 888 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1076.7310 (pause 0.40) 1077.1294 889 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1077.1294 the, you know whatever project. And we're talking about we're not even a mile away, but there was these territorial things going on back then. 1083.3328 890 LES_int_01 1083.4078 Yeah. 1083.8578 891 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1084.3735 Uh. Which made it more interesting when you went into all the neighborhoods, you know. 1087.0334 892 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1087.0334 (pause 0.08) 1087.1178 893 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1087.1178 When you we- so. 1088.0145 894 LES_int_01 1087.1178 [Yeah.] 1087.6006 895 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1088.6741 [That- you know.] 1089.1706 896 LES_int_01 1088.7772 [Did it ever] escalate into. 1090.5239 897 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1091.0630 I mean. 1091.4005 898 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1091.4005 (pause 0.12) 1091.5177 899 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1091.5177 With some people. I mean, not with me. I never really got into that, [but.] 1094.5089 900 LES_int_01 1094.3074 [You-] you were not a [type to get into fights?] 1096.7098 901 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1095.1412 [I know- I remember there were like] people who would go. My brother told me stories of him 1098.8625 902 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1099.1250 going to visit girls in the Smith projects and got into the fights with the guys from the Smith, because 1103.1827 903 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1103.1827 (pause 0.25) 1103.4358 904 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1103.4358 you were going to see one of the girls from the Smith, and you're from LaGuardia. Yeah, I've heard stories that 1107.1478 905 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1107.1478 (pause 0.38) 1107.5228 906 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1107.5228 I've- that never happened to me, but 1109.0931 907 LES_int_01 1109.5056 You- [So, you] were not a fighter? 1111.0104 908 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1109.6322 [with him.] 1110.0260 909 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1110.0260 (pause 0.98) 1111.0104 910 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1111.0104 No, no, [no] 1111.7691 911 LES_int_01 1111.4355 [Is he] telling the truth? 1112.2559 912 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1112.2559 No, well 1112.7434 913 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1112.8981 no, I liked- I- I could fight. 1114.8053 914 LES_int_01 1114.8387 I think you were a fighter Gary. 1116.1231 915 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1115.6309 [I could fight.] 1116.3997 916 Misc 1116.4700 I think- [I think that uh.] 1117.9360 917 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1116.9334 [But, I didn't fight. You know. I could- I boxed and stuff.] 1119.8595 918 LES_int_01 1117.9360 [Or it's ju-] 1118.5858 919 Misc 1118.4014 [I think- I-] 1119.2312 920 Misc 1119.5561 [I think that /RD-NAME-2/'s talking 1121.0613 921 LES_int_01 1119.9292 [/Oh yeah/.] 1120.3507 922 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1120.4078 [Did some-] 1120.8600 923 Misc 1121.2066 that there was definitely like, [just /inaudible/] there- there- there was a 1125.1084 924 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1122.2052 [we did- you know, I studied karate for a while.] 1123.8910 925 Misc 1125.2350 definite change in the neighborhood 1126.8100 926 Misc 1126.8100 (pause 0.39) 1127.1991 927 Misc 1127.1991 from seventy 1128.5291 928 Misc 1128.5291 (pause 0.77) 1129.3026 929 Misc 1129.3026 three or four on. 1131.1026 930 Misc 1131.1026 (pause 0.57) 1131.6745 931 Misc 1131.6745 As opposed to, one of the examples was 1134.3025 932 Misc 1134.3025 (pause 0.21) 1134.5134 933 Misc 1134.5134 the ethnicity, when we were 1136.3380 934 Misc 1136.3380 (pause 0.46) 1136.7974 935 Misc 1136.7974 five, six, seven, eight and ten, it was 1139.0147 936 Misc 1139.0147 (pause 0.20) 1139.2115 937 Misc 1139.2115 Italian, 1139.9639 938 Misc 1139.9639 (pause 0.19) 1140.1561 939 Misc 1140.1561 German, Irish, uh- whites, 1141.9889 940 Misc 1141.9889 (pause 0.29) 1142.2795 941 Misc 1142.2795 uh- p- Spanish, Chinese and stuff. 1143.9952 942 Misc 1143.9952 (pause 0.25) 1144.2436 943 Misc 1144.2436 Then, the- it sort of changed as some of those people either died, the elderly, 1148.2691 944 Misc 1148.2691 (pause 0.35) 1148.6206 945 Misc 1148.6206 or they moved out of the [neighborhood, or] 1150.6504 946 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1150.2613 [Yeah.] 1150.6222 947 Misc 1151.0348 they left their parents 1152.2472 948 Misc 1152.2472 (pause 0.43) 1152.6785 949 Misc 1152.6785 they moved out 1153.4144 950 Misc 1153.4144 (pause 0.22) 1153.6300 951 Misc 1153.6300 then the parents died. 1154.7035 952 Misc 1154.7035 (pause 0.21) 1154.9144 953 Misc 1154.9144 At one point, just to reiterate, I- I was like the only Jewish family in there. 1158.8766 954 LES_int_01 1159.5639 Yeah. I remember [you had said that.] 1160.8469 955 Misc 1160.2724 A- 1160.4781 956 Misc 1160.4781 (pause 0.28) 1160.7553 957 Misc 1160.7553 [You] know, but that was more like the. 1162.5196 958 LES_int_01 1162.5196 That was later on. 1163.1945 959 Misc 1163.1945 That was when I was sixteen, seventeen, eighteen. 1165.4650 960 LES_int_01 1165.4650 Mm-hm. 1165.7697 961 Misc 1165.7697 Which, so, there was that ten year period from six to sixteen 1169.0398 962 Misc 1169.0398 (pause 0.29) 1169.3305 963 Misc 1169.3305 that i- it started to becoming less diverse. 1171.8711 964 Misc 1171.8711 (pause 0.58) 1172.4524 965 Misc 1172.4524 and [getting] wilder. 1173.7180 966 LES_int_01 1172.7651 [Yeah.] 1173.0504 967 Misc 1174.2402 This was petty 1175.2631 968 Misc 1175.2631 (pause 0.29) 1175.5485 969 Misc 1175.5485 if I'm in the Smith, 1176.6022 970 Misc 1176.6022 (pause 0.19) 1176.7953 971 Misc 1176.7953 they'd throw an egg at me, say, get the fuck out of here, or something like that. 1179.6929 972 Misc 1179.6929 (pause 0.27) 1179.9651 973 Misc 1179.9651 But, at seventy-five, 1181.5154 974 Misc 1181.5154 (pause 0.20) 1181.7174 975 Misc 1181.7174 you might get knifed or stabbed when the javelins and the- and the lords and all of [them, and so.] 1187.0865 976 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1186.6334 [Right, right. Little gangster.] 1187.8846 977 Misc 1187.2972 [It was a change.] 1188.2665 978 Misc 1188.4290 You have to definitely- 1189.3882 979 Misc 1189.3882 (pause 0.18) 1189.5639 980 Misc 1189.5639 there is a period 1190.4726 981 Misc 1190.4726 (pause 0.28) 1190.7492 982 Misc 1190.7492 how violent that would have [gotten.] 1192.6810 983 LES_int_01 1192.3517 [Mm.] 1193.1551 984 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1192.6810 [Yeah, yeah.] 1193.2210 985 Misc 1193.2210 You [know.] 1193.6517 986 LES_int_01 1193.5069 [Did you] experience that? 1194.4464 987 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1194.8683 Well, I mean I saw it, but I never got involved with that. Never- 1197.2874 988 LES_int_01 1194.8683 [/inaudible/] 1195.1440 989 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1197.5078 never involved myself with gangs and 1199.3781 990 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1199.3781 (pause 0.34) 1199.7203 991 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1199.7203 things like that. 1200.4152 992 LES_int_01 1200.4668 Yeah. 1200.7808 993 LES_int_01 1200.7808 (pause 0.42) 1201.1978 994 LES_int_01 1201.1978 But you saw that- the [change that /RD-NAME-2/ was talking about?] 1203.5698 995 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1202.0322 [Yeah. I saw. Definitely. Definitely.] 1203.5698 996 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1203.8229 Definitely, you could see that. 1204.8782 997 LES_int_01 1205.0235 And this was in [the-] 1206.4016 998 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1206.1485 [S- this] might have been junior high school time, so we were 1208.7946 999 Misc 1209.6388 It's actually Seventy-two. 1210.7098 1000 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1210.7357 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 1211.3714 1001 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1211.3714 (pause 0.11) 1211.4792 1002 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1211.4792 [We were in junior high school. Yeah.] 1212.7027 1003 LES_int_01 1211.4792 [The Seventies, there was change. Yeah.] 1213.8605 1004 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1213.1340 [Yeah. Exactly.] 1213.8605 1005 LES_int_01 1214.3370 And- and then how did it 1215.5980 1006 LES_int_01 1215.5980 (pause 0.15) 1215.7480 1007 LES_int_01 1215.7480 sort of effect you, in d- or- or I guess 1218.5981 1008 LES_int_01 1218.5981 (pause 0.21) 1218.8043 1009 LES_int_01 1218.8043 as you got older? 1219.7325 1010 LES_int_01 1219.7325 (pause 0.66) 1220.3887 1011 LES_int_01 1220.3887 You weren't playing skellzies anymore. What were you [what were you doing /inaudible/?] 1223.4854 1012 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1222.1307 [Well, yeah. We didn't do that.] 1223.2651 1013 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1223.4948 I was then, you know, ki- school. Kind of concentrating on school a little bit. Finding our little part time jobs. 1228.7302 1014 LES_int_01 1229.0443 [Yeah.] 1229.2787 1015 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1229.0537 [To] get little things that we wanted. 1230.3896 1016 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1230.7664 [And.] 1231.6796 1017 LES_int_01 1230.7664 [Yeah.] 1230.9856 1018 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1231.8552 Girls, you know, obviously. 1233.3304 1019 LES_int_01 1233.6323 Girls [are very important.] 1234.5806 1020 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1233.8211 [Um.] 1234.1591 1021 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1234.1591 (pause 0.15) 1234.3084 1022 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1234.3084 [Mm-hm.] Yeah, yeah. That's 1235.3577 1023 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1235.4323 okay, if you can't [you know, leave out that ingredient. Yeah, exactly. You had to go to Vladecks], or wherever they were, that's where you had to go. 1240.5838 1024 LES_int_01 1236.0190 [Had to go over to Smith to find them. ] 1238.6312 1025 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1240.8604 We didn't have any in our neighborhood, you know, we already used those up [already.] 1243.5752 1026 LES_int_01 1243.1932 [] 1244.4005 1027 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1243.9918 [So, we had] to go to other ones. 1245.1464 1028 LES_int_01 1245.4674 Right. 1245.8845 1029 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1245.9064 But, 1246.2181 1030 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1246.2181 (pause 0.34) 1246.5601 1031 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1246.5601 that, basically, and 1247.9794 1032 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1247.9794 (pause 0.13) 1248.1055 1033 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1248.1055 k- 1248.2064 1034 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1248.2064 (pause 0.09) 1248.2986 1035 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1248.2986 and then, I think we moved out in around Seventy 1250.7045 1036 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1250.7045 (pause 0.16) 1250.8626 1037 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1250.8626 eight, somewhere, Seventy-nine, I think we left there. 1253.5335 1038 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1253.5335 (pause 0.69) 1254.2272 1039 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1254.2272 Somewhere. 1254.7924 1040 LES_int_01 1255.1304 W- when you guys moved to Williamsburg? 1256.6100 1041 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1256.6100 Yeah. [Exactly.] 1257.6373 1042 LES_int_01 1257.0051 [Yeah.] 1257.2968 1043 LES_int_01 1257.6373 Okay. 1257.9033 1044 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1257.8945 And then, I actually, d- we didn't come- I didn't come back for 1260.0871 1045 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1260.3417 a long time after that. 1261.4403 1046 LES_int_01 1261.4842 Yeah. 1261.8398 1047 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1262.1471 Um. 1262.6959 1048 LES_int_01 1262.6959 When you did come back, 1263.8637 1049 LES_int_01 1263.8637 (pause 0.16) 1264.0218 1050 LES_int_01 1264.0218 w- uh, 1264.7550 1051 LES_int_01 1264.7550 (pause 0.24) 1264.9964 1052 LES_int_01 1264.9964 what did you noticed had changed? 1266.4946 1053 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1266.4946 Oh, it was totally different then. 1267.6493 1054 LES_int_01 1267.8556 Yeah. 1268.2024 1055 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1268.2024 Yeah, it was totally 1269.4010 1056 LES_int_01 1269.6468 I mean, [it.] 1270.0332 1057 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1269.9058 [totally different. Like,] 1271.4644 1058 LES_int_01 1270.7448 [Can you talk about that a little bit?] 1272.0746 1059 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1271.7937 [I mean.] 1272.0746 1060 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1272.1976 I did- First off, I didn't know anybody who lived in the building. 1274.5655 1061 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1274.5655 (pause 0.62) 1275.1890 1062 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1275.1890 Didn't know anybody. Exce- there was still few holders 1277.9153 1063 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1277.9153 (pause 0.22) 1278.1392 1064 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1278.1392 you know, hangers on that- 1279.4377 1065 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1279.4377 (pause 0.27) 1279.7055 1066 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1279.7055 that still were there from when I grew up. 1281.8638 1067 LES_int_01 1281.8638 There were? 1282.1492 1068 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1282.1492 That were still- the few people still there, lived in the neighborhood. 1284.5111 1069 LES_int_01 1284.6780 Yeah. 1284.9633 1070 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1284.9633 But, basically, 1286.1443 1071 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1287.4273 1287.5283 1072 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1287.5283 (pause 0.26) 1287.7873 1073 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1287.7873 The. 1288.1517 1074 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1288.1517 (pause 0.80) 1288.9551 1075 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1288.9551 There were a lot more Chinese people that stay in there because 1291.6157 1076 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1291.6157 (pause 0.22) 1291.8396 1077 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1291.8396 I think they, you know, there was an expansion of Chinatown, I felt, [you know,] at that time. 1295.3688 1078 LES_int_01 1294.4870 [Yeah.] 1294.8789 1079 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1295.7420 Cause ex- 1296.0756 1080 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1296.0756 (pause 0.16) 1296.2381 1081 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1296.2381 Chinatown was like- it was like a 1297.5859 1082 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1297.5859 (pause 0.24) 1297.8229 1083 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1297.8229 borderline [there.] 1298.6746 1084 LES_int_01 1298.3962 [Getting bigger.] 1299.0065 1085 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1298.8371 [Nobody] came past the bridge there, you know, it looked seemed. 1301.4438 1086 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1301.8609 But, then there was this whole expansion thing of Chinatown, so where a lot Chinese people in the building. 1306.2901 1087 LES_int_01 1306.4921 Yeah. 1306.8345 1088 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1306.8345 There were a lot of, you know, it was more Hispanic and Black, 1309.7041 1089 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1309.9982 basically dominated that- that building. 1312.2153 1090 LES_int_01 1312.4129 Yeah. 1312.6675 1091 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1312.6675 And then, I didn't know anybody. 1313.8924 1092 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1314.4236 You know, I didn't- I didn't know anybody, except some of the holders on that were still there. 1318.4917 1093 LES_int_01 1318.7113 Yeah. 1319.0844 1094 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1319.0976 So, I didn't really, you know, 1320.7747 1095 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1320.7747 (pause 0.11) 1320.8844 1096 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1320.8844 you know, you kind of kept to yourself then, it wasn't that same 1323.5372 1097 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1323.5372 (pause 0.23) 1323.7655 1098 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1323.7655 camaraderie that you had back 1325.2890 1099 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1325.2890 (pause 0.98) 1326.2724 1100 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1326.2724 you [know, when we were] 1327.6186 1101 LES_int_01 1326.6790 [Right, right.] 1327.5822 1102 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1327.7151 when I first, you know, when I grew up there. 1329.3642 1103 LES_int_01 1329.4476 Yeah. 1329.8647 1104 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1329.8647 Not that same thing, everybody kind of kept to themselves. It's [more closed], you know, 1333.2238 1105 LES_int_01 1331.9979 [Yeah.] 1332.3506 1106 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1333.3424 mind your business. You know, that kind of of thing, it was 1335.5918 1107 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1335.5918 (pause 0.30) 1335.8904 1108 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1335.8904 more like that. 1336.5884 1109 LES_int_01 1336.9001 Yeah. 1337.3578 1110 LES_int_01 1337.3578 (pause 0.26) 1337.6212 1111 LES_int_01 1337.6212 Now, this is, you're talking about- this is 1339.0038 1112 LES_int_01 1339.0038 (pause 0.10) 1339.1048 1113 LES_int_01 1339.1048 [when in- Two Thousand One?] 1340.1237 1114 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1339.2324 [When I came back. Yes.] Two Thousand and One. 1340.8700 1115 LES_int_01 1340.8700 [So,] 1341.5421 1116 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1340.9801 [Yeah.] 1341.1865 1117 LES_int_01 1341.7001 um. Did you notice, I mean, b- by Two Thousand One, the larger neighborhood, you have this 1346.7380 1118 LES_int_01 1346.7380 (pause 0.27) 1347.0087 1119 LES_int_01 1347.0087 a lot of gentrification happening with 1349.0933 1120 LES_int_01 1349.0933 (pause 0.26) 1349.3487 1121 LES_int_01 1349.3487 you know, wealthier, white 1350.7448 1122 LES_int_01 1350.7448 (pause 0.19) 1350.9380 1123 LES_int_01 1350.9380 [folks coming in, /inaudible/] 1352.6008 1124 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1351.2629 [Well, that also began to happen] not at- i- you know, you could see that 1354.7257 1125 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1355.1471 like, some of like, 1356.0120 1126 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1356.0120 (pause 0.37) 1356.3852 1127 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1356.3852 the- 1356.6706 1128 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1356.6706 (pause 0.21) 1356.8813 1129 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1356.8813 the village 1357.6293 1130 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1357.6293 (pause 0.08) 1357.7127 1131 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1357.7127 and- an- 1358.2395 1132 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1358.2395 (pause 0.13) 1358.3652 1133 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1358.3652 and- and the yuppie crowd, or whatever you want to [call] 1360.7447 1134 LES_int_01 1360.5121 [Yeah,] yeah. 1361.2277 1135 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1361.5585 what's- was coming down to that area too as well, you know, [which] brought up the rent 1364.5791 1136 LES_int_01 1363.7098 [Yeah.] 1363.9776 1137 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1365.0796 You know, prices of rents and stuff [like that.] 1367.3230 1138 LES_int_01 1366.7698 [Right.] 1367.0376 1139 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1367.7489 So, and that kind of got pe- push other people out of the neighborhood. 1370.8539 1140 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1370.8539 (pause 0.26) 1371.1173 1141 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1371.1173 Like I say, the holders on were still there, you know, [that kind] of a thing. 1374.1087 1142 LES_int_01 1373.2043 [Right.] 1373.5863 1143 LES_int_01 1374.4111 And it maybe it doesn't affect, um, 1376.2023 1144 LES_int_01 1376.2023 (pause 0.11) 1376.3164 1145 LES_int_01 1376.3164 public housing in the same way, 1377.9057 1146 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1378.5390 No, but [I think] even some- even some of the public housing, they were 1382.7830 1147 LES_int_01 1378.8661 [Right.] 1379.0681 1148 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1382.8928 sold off, even 1384.0738 1149 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1384.0738 (pause 0.55) 1384.6225 1150 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1384.6225 [too.] Yeah. Some of that was going on. I think that's still happening now [as a] matter of fact. 1389.1357 1151 LES_int_01 1384.7367 [Really?] 1385.1889 1152 LES_int_01 1385.1889 (pause 3.12) 1388.3060 1153 LES_int_01 1388.3060 [Yeah.] 1388.6308 1154 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1389.5528 So they 1389.9304 1155 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1389.9304 (pause 0.18) 1390.1104 1156 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1390.1104 you know, they- they're s- kind of I think what's happening is they're- they're 1392.7939 1157 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1392.7939 (pause 0.39) 1393.1803 1158 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1393.1803 looking f- they nee- 1393.9919 1159 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1393.9919 (pause 0.14) 1394.1280 1160 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1394.1280 you know, 1394.5582 1161 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1394.5582 (pause 0.90) 1395.4539 1162 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1395.4539 real estate is- is- is- is 1397.3900 1163 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1397.3900 (pause 0.11) 1397.4997 1164 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1397.4997 you know, is- is 1398.5578 1165 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1398.5578 (pause 1.03) 1399.5840 1166 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1399.5840 at an all time high [now. They're looking] yeah. So, they kind of 1402.8553 1167 LES_int_01 1400.6543 [/We/ know.] 1401.3385 1168 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1403.3426 you know, le- places to live now, you know, and so, now, if y- I think 1406.5870 1169 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1406.5870 (pause 0.26) 1406.8460 1170 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1406.8460 pretty soon, if you don't have any money, you won't be living on the Lower East Side anymore. 1410.6392 1171 LES_int_01 1410.6392 Right. 1411.0563 1172 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1411.0563 You know, pretty much, they're gonna filter all the 1412.7027 1173 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1412.8914 you know, those 1413.6949 1174 Misc 1414.0022 I'm renting my bathroom to ['em /inaudible/] 1416.3057 1175 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1415.2545 [ Exactly. (laughing) ] 1421.5220 1176 LES_int_01 1416.0319 [] 1417.4105 1177 Misc 1417.2922 [/inaudible/] 1417.6284 1178 Misc 1418.4274 [Oh you got no /salary or something/.] 1419.8586 1179 LES_int_01 1418.4663 [] 1419.0063 1180 LES_int_01 1419.8668 [] 1420.7976 1181 LES_int_01 1420.7976 (pause 0.30) 1421.0961 1182 LES_int_01 1421.0961 [I think we got] that. 1421.9872 1183 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1421.9872 1422.7864 1184 LES_int_01 1423.0765 A- 1423.3575 1185 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1423.4778 But, you could see, that's what's happening, you know. 1425.1593 1186 LES_int_01 1425.2822 Yeah. 1425.7300 1187 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1425.9188 And- I- you- you're gonna [have to be] 1427.4335 1188 LES_int_01 1426.9549 [So, you could] see that, when you came back, that kind of larger. 1429.4574 1189 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1429.4574 Yeah, you could see that pretty soon, 1431.7838 1190 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1431.9813 [you have to be of a certain income 1433.6321 1191 LES_int_01 1431.9813 [In /inaudible/] 1432.6926 1192 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1434.1062 to live down here. 1434.8175 1193 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1434.8175 (pause 0.24) 1435.0545 1194 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1435.0545 [I think] that's happening. 1435.9985 1195 LES_int_01 1435.0545 [Right.] 1435.3604 1196 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1436.6614 Slowly, but 1437.3155 1197 LES_int_01 1437.6170 Yeah. 1437.9375 1198 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1437.9375 surely, that's happening. 1438.8726 1199 LES_int_01 1439.0043 Yeah. 1439.3643 1200 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1439.6716 Um. 1440.0433 1201 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1440.0433 (pause 0.63) 1440.6755 1202 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1440.6755 Except for those people that hang on, they ain't getting out of here, [I ain't leaving.] Um, I'm gonna be here, you know, and there's a few of those people that I still see 1446.6172 1203 LES_int_01 1442.9359 [Right.] 1443.3442 1204 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1446.8586 today, 1447.3547 1205 LES_int_01 1447.4908 Yeah. 1447.7081 1206 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1447.7081 right now. 1448.2745 1207 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1448.7706 that I'm say, oh man, it's good to see you, I haven't seen you, you know, you're still here, you know, still living down here. 1452.3942 1208 LES_int_01 1452.5040 And- but you don't have any family that's still down here? 1455.4247 1209 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1455.5420 [Uh.] 1455.8757 1210 LES_int_01 1455.5420 [You said] your brother passed away. 1457.0984 1211 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1457.6515 I have a nephew that lives like 1459.0608 1212 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1459.0608 (pause 1.03) 1460.0892 1213 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1460.0892 Delancey Street. 1461.0727 1214 LES_int_01 1461.0727 Hm. Mm-hm. 1461.6961 1215 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1461.8410 Um. 1462.4995 1216 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1462.4995 (pause 1.75) 1464.2446 1217 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1464.2446 That's about it. 1464.7583 1218 LES_int_01 1465.3334 Yeah. 1465.7110 1219 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1465.8778 Yeah. 1466.2027 1220 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1466.2027 (pause 0.15) 1466.3481 1221 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1466.3481 That's [about it.] 1466.9715 1222 LES_int_01 1466.5061 [That's interesting.] 1467.1691 1223 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1467.3315 Yeah. 1467.5993 1224 LES_int_01 1467.6608 So, now you've lived all over 1469.4388 1225 LES_int_01 1469.4388 (pause 0.34) 1469.7798 1226 LES_int_01 1469.7798 New York City. 1470.5656 1227 LES_int_01 1470.5656 (pause 0.46) 1471.0222 1228 LES_int_01 1471.0222 I'm wondering if you would still consider yourself a Lower East Sider? [If that's sort of a] 1475.1886 1229 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1474.6881 [Yeah. No doubt. No doubt. I w- I mean w- I] just did that show, we just did that show and it was called the 1479.7353 1230 LES_int_01 1475.4784 [that's a important part of you.] 1477.1318 1231 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1480.1962 Lower East Side 1481.3580 1232 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1481.3580 (pause 0.55) 1481.9068 1233 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1481.9068 Band Reunion. 1482.6619 1234 LES_int_01 1482.9956 Okay. 1483.4785 1235 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1483.9527 Cause back then, uh, also that's what we did. That's what I left out. 1486.4716 1236 LES_int_01 1486.6998 Yeah. 1486.9677 1237 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1486.9677 Left out that little part. 1487.8660 1238 LES_int_01 1487.9386 What- 1488.1737 1239 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1488.3330 [Where you said,] what do we do? you know, [what we-] we got into music then, how did I- could I leave that out? 1492.8056 1240 LES_int_01 1488.4428 [You re- /inaudible/] 1488.9608 1241 LES_int_01 1488.9608 (pause 1.19) 1490.1479 1242 LES_int_01 1490.1479 [Music.] 1490.5869 1243 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1492.8978 [] 1493.6442 1244 LES_int_01 1492.8978 [That's what you were-] that was important, [right?] 1494.5398 1245 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1494.2939 [Yeah.] That's a very important part. 1495.7553 1246 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1495.9661 And, that's what we did in the early seventies as well, you know, we formed bands and stuff, and you would see different bands in the neighborhood. 1501.6926 1247 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1501.6926 (pause 0.47) 1502.1624 1248 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1502.1624 You know. 1502.3468 1249 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1502.3468 (pause 0.51) 1502.8604 1250 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1502.8604 Lot of mus- 1503.6024 1251 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1503.6024 (pause 0.11) 1503.7077 1252 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1503.7077 culture and stuff, as far as musically. 1505.2761 1253 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1505.2761 (pause 0.22) 1505.4957 1254 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1505.4957 [You know.] 1505.7679 1255 LES_int_01 1505.4957 [Yeah.] 1505.9083 1256 LES_int_01 1506.2288 And what did you [do personally?] 1507.4054 1257 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1506.6108 [Which you don't see now] either. 1507.9718 1258 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1508.6435 Um. 1509.2581 1259 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1509.2581 (pause 0.24) 1509.4996 1260 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1509.4996 Say that again. What's that [question?] 1510.4702 1261 LES_int_01 1510.1892 [Oh,] I was gonna ask what personally di- uh, were 1512.7520 1262 LES_int_01 1513.1033 you- instruments or singing [did you do?] 1514.9823 1263 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1514.3413 [Oh, I played uh,] saxophone and I sang, I played- dabbled with the piano a little bit then. 1519.0285 1264 LES_int_01 1519.3640 Cool. 1519.6713 1265 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1520.0953 Um. 1520.5958 1266 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1520.5958 (pause 0.18) 1520.7802 1267 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1520.7802 Form- we formed a band. 1522.0885 1268 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1522.0885 (pause 0.19) 1522.2817 1269 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1522.2817 You know. 1522.6532 1270 LES_int_01 1522.9254 Yeah. 1523.1888 1271 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1523.1888 I don't remember, we had a f- 1523.8034 1272 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1523.9088 few different names for the band back then, and um. 1526.4025 1273 LES_int_01 1526.5517 Yeah. 1526.8547 1274 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1526.8547 So, we did that. 1527.4605 1275 Misc 1527.7415 Bobby's on my CD by the way. I think I gave you [/inaudible/] 1531.4957 1276 LES_int_01 1529.9240 [You gave me. Yeah. Yeah. I listened to it. Yeah. Yeah.] 1531.9260 1277 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1530.8284 [Yeah, yeah.] 1531.1752 1278 Misc 1531.6582 [I think] he's on it. 1532.3430 1279 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1532.4835 Um. 1533.0148 1280 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1533.0148 (pause 0.44) 1533.4582 1281 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1533.4582 So, we did that. 1534.6644 1282 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1534.6644 (pause 0.15) 1534.8137 1283 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1534.8137 That occupied a lot of our time, we did shows and 1537.1756 1284 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1537.1756 (pause 0.14) 1537.3117 1285 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1537.3117 we played together in bands for- me and /RD-NAME-2/ for a while. 1539.3077 1286 LES_int_01 1539.4438 Yeah. 1539.7599 1287 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1539.8257 [Uh.] 1540.0768 1288 LES_int_01 1539.9838 [And] this you were doing 1541.1472 1289 LES_int_01 1541.4398 in your- sort of in your free time, cause you're still working 1543.9072 1290 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1543.9335 Yeah, we're working part time, I was going to school, at the same time, playing in these bands, wherever it, you know. 1548.1460 1291 LES_int_01 1548.1328 Yeah. 1548.5982 1292 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1548.5982 And we played wherever, you know, we'd just 1549.8713 1293 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1550.2226 pull our equipment out and start playing in the street, you know, we didn't care. 1552.3414 1294 LES_int_01 1552.4819 Yeah. 1552.7585 1295 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1552.7585 Yeah, we just, you know. 1553.5180 1296 LES_int_01 1553.6848 And, have you continued to that throughout your [life? S-] 1556.2180 1297 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1555.7570 [Yeah, I'm kind of] doing that now still. 1557.0653 1298 LES_int_01 1557.1400 Still [doing it.] 1557.7914 1299 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1557.3639 [Still doing] that. 1558.0592 1300 LES_int_01 1558.4367 [That's terrific.] 1559.2465 1301 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1558.5202 [Um.] 1559.0865 1302 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1559.3060 I got like a little recording studio that I own and operate in the Bronx. 1562.0614 1303 LES_int_01 1562.5180 [Cool.] 1562.8300 1304 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1562.7332 [Um.] 1563.1371 1305 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1563.2819 So, 1563.6990 1306 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1563.6990 (pause 0.14) 1563.8439 1307 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1563.8439 still doing that music [thing.] 1565.1313 1308 LES_int_01 1564.6308 [Kind of like] this uh, [this set up?] 1566.4270 1309 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1565.5751 [Yeah, yeah, a little-] 1566.1459 1310 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1566.1459 (pause 0.09) 1566.2380 1311 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1566.2380 [Yeah. A little] bit 1566.7254 1312 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1566.8746 different. Little bit [different, but] 1568.0029 1313 Misc 1567.6825 [Play in the [subway.] 1568.4595 1314 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1568.6615 Yeah, I'd play in the subway [sometime. Yeah.] 1570.2787 1315 LES_int_01 1569.4325 [You do?] 1570.1291 1316 LES_int_01 1570.3852 [Cool, cool.] 1571.1799 1317 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1570.4104 [Yeah.] 1570.8363 1318 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1570.8363 (pause 0.12) 1570.9548 1319 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1570.9548 [I do] that. 1571.5124 1320 LES_int_01 1571.6748 And are you- are you working as well? Or are- 1573.5056 1321 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1573.5056 No, that's all I do. 1574.3277 1322 LES_int_01 1574.4769 Oh, that's [wonderful] 1575.3945 1323 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1575.0623 [That's pretty] much all I do. 1576.1057 1324 LES_int_01 1576.3269 That's [nice.] 1577.2093 1325 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1576.7966 [Um.] 1577.3498 1326 LES_int_01 1577.4332 Be a little bit [/inaudible/ of your time too.] 1578.8189 1327 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1577.9337 [Yeah, it's okay.] Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good. 1579.8018 1328 LES_int_01 1580.2759 Yeah. 1580.5745 1329 LES_int_01 1580.5745 (pause 0.84) 1581.4136 1330 LES_int_01 1581.4136 Um. 1582.0765 1331 LES_int_01 1582.0765 (pause 0.43) 1582.5111 1332 LES_int_01 1582.5111 So, I 1583.7744 1333 LES_int_01 1583.7744 (pause 0.18) 1583.9588 1334 LES_int_01 1583.9588 you can tell I'm interested in the kind of the Lower East Side, uh, 1586.7631 1335 LES_int_01 1586.7631 (pause 0.36) 1587.1187 1336 LES_int_01 1587.1187 as a community. 1588.0407 1337 LES_int_01 1588.0407 (pause 0.75) 1588.7941 1338 LES_int_01 1588.7941 And, 1589.5009 1339 LES_int_01 1589.5009 (pause 0.13) 1589.6327 1340 LES_int_01 1589.6327 uh. One thing I always ask people is 1592.0254 1341 LES_int_01 1592.0254 (pause 0.46) 1592.4819 1342 LES_int_01 1592.4819 for them, like for you, 1593.7507 1343 LES_int_01 1593.7507 (pause 0.29) 1594.0405 1344 LES_int_01 1594.0405 what 1594.3478 1345 LES_int_01 1594.3478 (pause 0.49) 1594.8379 1346 LES_int_01 1594.8379 is the Lower East Side geographically? 1596.7652 1347 LES_int_01 1596.7652 (pause 0.14) 1596.9013 1348 LES_int_01 1596.9013 Cause a lot of people have different 1598.3764 1349 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1598.3764 Okay. [Oh, I-] 1599.1381 1350 LES_int_01 1598.5817 [/renditions/ of it.] 1599.5695 1351 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1599.3708 [W- uh.] Okay, now it may have 1600.8635 1352 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1601.0303 changed 1601.5747 1353 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1601.5747 (pause 0.49) 1602.0621 1354 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1602.0621 since the [you know. But let's say.] 1604.2177 1355 LES_int_01 1602.7210 [Yeah. It could have changed. But, maybe then and] now, or [whatever.] 1605.5412 1356 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1604.9485 [Then, the] Lower East Side, when I was a kid was like 1607.9778 1357 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1608.0700 to right here, 1609.1397 1358 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1609.1397 (pause 0.53) 1609.6709 1359 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1609.6709 to that bridge here, which is the Manhattan [Bridge.] 1612.1777 1360 LES_int_01 1612.0329 [The] Manhattan [Bridge.] 1613.0075 1361 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1612.5685 [Mighta] went to Houston Street. 1614.8311 1362 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1615.3782 The- now, uh, and over to the East River, actually. 1618.5442 1363 LES_int_01 1618.5442 Yeah. 1618.9085 1364 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1619.2949 It kind- those were the boundaries to me, then. Now, they've, obviously, they've expanded. 1622.9871 1365 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1622.9871 (pause 0.41) 1623.3998 1366 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1623.3998 Uh. 1623.6896 1367 LES_int_01 1623.9140 I think they've expanded? 1624.7965 1368 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1624.9062 Yeah, I thinks- yeah. That i- 1626.6689 1369 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1626.6689 (pause 0.16) 1626.8313 1370 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1626.8313 to- 1627.0245 1371 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1627.0245 (pause 0.12) 1627.1431 1372 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1627.1431 to go even further than the bridge, let's say. 1629.7360 1373 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1629.7360 (pause 0.33) 1630.0653 1374 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1630.0653 Up to as far as 1631.0004 1375 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1631.0004 (pause 0.40) 1631.3999 1376 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1631.3999 Fourteenth, to- or even Twenty-Third Street. 1633.6434 1377 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1633.6434 (pause 0.32) 1633.9595 1378 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1633.9595 [And,] Yeah. I think it go- i- wa- 1636.2106 1379 LES_int_01 1634.0780 [Really?] 1634.5522 1380 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1636.3203 they call it all Chelsea. They got all kind of names [for it.] 1638.3091 1381 LES_int_01 1638.0062 [They call-] yeah. 1638.8315 1382 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1638.8315 But I [d- still the Lower East Side. Yeah. East.] Yeah. Exactly, East Village, but that's the Lower East Side to me, [you know.] 1643.7750 1383 LES_int_01 1639.1037 [East Village is sort of the.] 1640.9345 1384 LES_int_01 1640.9345 (pause 2.49) 1643.4238 1385 LES_int_01 1643.4238 [It is.] It feels. Does it feel like the same neighborhood to [you?] 1645.7852 1386 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1645.5437 [Yeah.] 1645.9432 1387 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1646.3033 Yeah. It's- it's still the s- 1647.7921 1388 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1647.7921 (pause 0.08) 1647.8711 1389 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1647.8711 you know, it's kind of like 1649.0916 1390 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1649.0916 (pause 0.43) 1649.5251 1391 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1649.5251 overlapping and stuff, so. 1650.8466 1392 LES_int_01 1650.8466 Right, right. 1651.6193 1393 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1651.7071 You got that going there. 1652.9935 1394 LES_int_01 1652.9935 Um. Okay, cool. So, we have these 1654.7633 1395 LES_int_01 1654.7633 (pause 0.58) 1655.3472 1396 LES_int_01 1655.3472 geographic boundaries for the neighborhood. 1657.1708 1397 LES_int_01 1657.1708 (pause 0.87) 1658.0401 1398 LES_int_01 1658.0401 What I wanna know is if all the people who live inside those streets 1662.5884 1399 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1662.7025 Mkay. 1663.0801 1400 LES_int_01 1663.2820 make up 1663.7216 1401 LES_int_01 1663.7216 (pause 0.36) 1664.0860 1402 LES_int_01 1664.0860 like, one community, one Lower East Side community? 1666.8914 1403 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1666.8914 Okay. 1667.2163 1404 LES_int_01 1667.2163 And I think if 1668.1997 1405 LES_int_01 1668.1997 (pause 0.31) 1668.5070 1406 LES_int_01 1668.5070 i- to ask you that, first, I need to ask you to define 1671.2290 1407 LES_int_01 1671.2290 (pause 0.28) 1671.5056 1408 LES_int_01 1671.5056 community, like what does that mean? And 1673.1870 1409 LES_int_01 1673.1870 (pause 0.32) 1673.5081 1410 LES_int_01 1673.5081 what does it mean for people to be in a community together? 1675.9052 1411 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1676.3425 Well, I mean 1677.0098 1412 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1677.0098 (pause 0.50) 1677.5103 1413 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1677.5103 there's certain social things that you're- 1679.1303 1414 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1679.1303 (pause 0.51) 1679.6440 1415 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1679.6440 that you 1680.0567 1416 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1680.0567 (pause 0.38) 1680.4342 1417 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1680.4342 communicate 1681.2596 1418 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1681.2596 (pause 1.17) 1682.4345 1419 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1682.4345 on, certain things that you do together, to- to- 1685.1609 1420 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1685.1609 (pause 0.61) 1685.7701 1421 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1685.7701 You're raising your kids, your schools, you got your daycare, [you got] your- 1689.1072 1422 LES_int_01 1688.4312 [Yeah.] 1688.7824 1423 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1689.7922 your- 1690.2224 1424 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1690.2224 (pause 0.19) 1690.4156 1425 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1690.4156 your- whatever you- activities, after school activities that kids do, [and] 1694.3570 1426 LES_int_01 1694.0963 [Right.] 1694.3570 1427 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1695.0007 the- 1695.1500 1428 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1695.1500 (pause 0.17) 1695.3212 1429 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1695.3212 the job kind of situation, I- I don't know how many people, you know, work in- on the Lower East Side. 1701.0680 1430 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1701.0680 (pause 0.88) 1701.9480 1431 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1701.9480 [Um.] 1702.7251 1432 LES_int_01 1702.1631 [Right.] 1702.4748 1433 LES_int_01 1703.1553 So, i- so it's m- uh- 1704.4329 1434 LES_int_01 1704.4329 (pause 0.13) 1704.5602 1435 LES_int_01 1704.5602 sounds like maybe a little more than just live. 1706.7915 1436 LES_int_01 1706.7915 (pause 0.34) 1707.1358 1437 LES_int_01 1707.1358 But, i- [somehow.] 1708.5588 1438 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1707.7812 [Yeah. I mean, it's a poppy] 1708.8612 1439 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1708.9490 lot of people that work here, you know, and there were like, back also, in- in- in the days, they had like 1714.0955 1440 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1714.0955 (pause 0.40) 1714.4950 1441 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1714.4950 the Henry Street Settlement where a- 1716.3152 1442 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1716.3152 (pause 0.09) 1716.4074 1443 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1716.4074 s- kids would go to do things after school 1719.0855 1444 LES_int_01 1719.2282 [Yeah.] 1719.5706 1445 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1719.3248 [programs] they had. 1720.5014 1446 LES_int_01 1720.6331 Yeah. 1720.9624 1447 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1721.0194 And that's all a part of, you know, what the community should be. 1723.5894 1448 LES_int_01 1723.8221 [Yeah.] 1724.0372 1449 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1723.8352 [Which] they don't have a lot of those things now. The Edgies, the Educational [Alliance.] 1727.6087 1450 LES_int_01 1727.4331 [Right.] 1727.7975 1451 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1728.0310 Which has been around forever, I think they still there. And 1730.2612 1452 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1730.2612 (pause 0.15) 1730.4105 1453 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1730.4105 lot of people 1731.2534 1454 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1731.2534 (pause 0.99) 1732.2456 1455 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1732.2456 you know, a lot of activities they have going on there. 1734.2827 1456 LES_int_01 1734.3530 [Right.] 1734.7218 1457 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1734.5110 [Uh.] I mean, I don't even know, I couldn't even tell you, I couldn't tell you be more specific about it, but I'm sure that 1738.7279 1458 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1738.8771 they're doing things like that [there]. 1740.3128 1459 LES_int_01 1739.9923 [Yeah.] 1740.3742 1460 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1740.6201 And Henry Street Settlement, I think, as far as I know, is still around. 1742.6626 1461 LES_int_01 1743.0709 E- [Yeah. It is.] Yeah. 1744.3705 1462 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1743.3519 [Uh.] 1743.8568 1463 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1744.6059 Um. 1745.1459 1464 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1745.1459 (pause 0.40) 1745.5454 1465 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1745.5454 [That's all.] 1745.9844 1466 LES_int_01 1745.6639 [So it's-] So it's a little more than just kind of living in the same place. [You hafta.] 1749.5400 1467 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1749.2107 [Yeah, I mean,] people work and people 1750.8812 1468 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1751.2061 relate and socialize and [stuff, like that. Yeah. That whole] interaction thing going a- 1756.0451 1469 LES_int_01 1753.1519 [Interact, or something /inaudible/] 1754.7324 1470 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1756.2690 I mean it's lesser than it was. 1757.8275 1471 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1757.8275 (pause 0.46) 1758.2914 1472 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1758.2914 Back in- 1759.2090 1473 LES_int_01 1759.2265 [Yeah. So, that's /my next question/. Does it seem is-] is the [same.] 1762.9934 1474 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1759.3890 [Back- it's a little different. Yeah. 1761.6500 1475 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1761.6500 (pause 0.55) 1762.2031 1476 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1762.2031 [It's changed.] It's not the same. 1764.2254 1477 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1764.3351 Uh. 1764.7127 1478 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1764.7127 (pause 0.44) 1765.1479 1479 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1765.1479 As it was. I think we were closer 1767.0093 1480 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1767.0093 (pause 0.57) 1767.5801 1481 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1767.5801 back then. 1768.0937 1482 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1768.0937 (pause 0.41) 1768.5064 1483 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1768.5064 You know. [We were closer.] 1769.6216 1484 LES_int_01 1768.7567 [Why, why] is that? 1770.3021 1485 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1770.9123 I don't know why that is actually. I don't know what, well, you know, the reasoning, 1774.2079 1486 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1774.2079 (pause 0.21) 1774.4186 1487 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1774.4186 you know, reason why you know, that separation thing came [around, but.] 1777.8715 1488 LES_int_01 1777.3052 [Yeah.] 1777.6257 1489 LES_int_01 1777.9813 What do you think happened? 1779.3291 1490 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1779.8077 I c- I c- I can't exactly say. Um. 1782.1653 1491 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1782.1653 (pause 0.76) 1782.9292 1492 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1782.9292 Put my finger on as to why 1784.4191 1493 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1784.4191 (pause 0.99) 1785.4047 1494 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1785.4047 that might have- 1786.0194 1495 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1786.0194 (pause 0.10) 1786.1159 1496 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1786.1159 may have changed. It's just 1787.3145 1497 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1787.3145 (pause 0.43) 1787.7403 1498 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1787.7403 you know, if 1788.2803 1499 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1788.2803 (pause 0.13) 1788.4121 1500 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1788.4121 when people move out of the neighborhood, you didn't teach their kids 1790.9299 1501 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1790.9299 (pause 0.16) 1791.0923 1502 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1791.0923 that- the same things that we 1792.9543 1503 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1792.9543 (pause 0.76) 1793.7095 1504 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1793.7095 l- l- learned, or the same values that we had, I don't know. I just know that it's not that. 1799.0552 1505 LES_int_01 1799.3110 [Yeah.] 1799.6506 1506 Misc 1799.3110 [I think] you're a little more radical than that. Speak your mind. 1801.9056 1507 LES_int_01 1802.0417 [] 1803.4263 1508 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1802.5351 [Uh.] 1802.7546 1509 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1802.7546 (pause 0.19) 1802.9434 1510 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1802.9434 [No, I- I- n- ] 1804.5634 1511 Misc 1803.8478 [No. Cause I've heard] you. I've hear- I'm not influencing you, but. 1806.6575 1512 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1806.8628 No, [I- I- I- k- I k-] 1808.2369 1513 Misc 1807.1915 [You know, you-] You and I spoke about how 1809.7466 1514 Misc 1810.0568 there's no money inv- we- we played on the jazz mobile, 1813.2749 1515 Misc 1813.2749 (pause 0.43) 1813.7008 1516 Misc 1813.7008 we played for constant street fairs when we were kids and [you don't see] any of [that anymore.] 1818.1179 1517 LES_int_01 1816.6560 [Yeah.] 1817.0667 1518 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1817.7930 [Oh, no.] You definitely don't have any [of that.] 1819.3516 1519 Misc 1818.7276 [And,] and, [and, I know you and I /inaudible/] 1822.1169 1520 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1820.0227 [There's not even like] 1820.8393 1521 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1820.8393 (pause 0.31) 1821.1511 1522 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1821.1511 [The programs that] they have and stuff, it's- it's- 1824.0305 1523 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1824.5705 it's- it's 1825.3728 1524 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1825.3728 (pause 0.10) 1825.4738 1525 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1825.4738 just a lot of- lot of things are not there that- 1827.2634 1526 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1827.2634 (pause 0.11) 1827.3688 1527 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1827.3688 that 1827.6805 1528 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1827.6805 (pause 0.28) 1827.9614 1529 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1827.9614 would bring people together. 1829.0019 1530 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1829.0019 (pause 0.13) 1829.1293 1531 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1829.1293 You know what I', [saying, a lot of-] 1830.0381 1532 LES_int_01 1829.4893 [So, like,] money is being taken out of the neighborhood? I mean. 1833.0591 1533 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1834.0271 Well, I mean you- [you- if you listen] to the news, you can hear how much money we're spending on some 1838.1814 1534 LES_int_01 1834.6648 [What do you thi- yeah, what do you.] 1835.9599 1535 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1838.4800 [bullshit. ] 1839.3613 1536 LES_int_01 1838.4800 [Yeah.] 1838.9095 1537 LES_int_01 1839.3613 Yeah. How- [well that's-] 1840.3025 1538 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1839.8415 [Where that money] is not filtered down into the- 1841.7278 1539 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1841.8639 into the community 1842.8254 1540 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1842.8254 (pause 0.31) 1843.1327 1541 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1843.1327 and I think it should be. A lot of that 1844.7088 1542 LES_int_01 1844.9634 [Right.] 1845.2943 1543 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1845.0732 [government] money is not 1846.1269 1544 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1846.4458 somehow, doesn't find its way back here. 1848.2063 1545 LES_int_01 1848.2502 Right. [Right.] 1849.0361 1546 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1848.7507 [Um.] 1849.3917 1547 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1850.0327 Which, you know, 1850.6912 1548 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1850.6912 (pause 0.52) 1851.2093 1549 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1851.2093 government funding for certain of 1852.3552 1550 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1852.3552 (pause 0.25) 1852.6098 1551 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1852.6098 these programs and these places, 1854.2985 1552 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1854.2985 (pause 0.24) 1854.5340 1553 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1854.5340 if it's not there, then these places will close up, and then that means there's not gonna be that social gathering, that's not gonna happen anymore. 1860.1425 1554 LES_int_01 1860.2523 Right. 1860.5947 1555 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1860.5947 So, that's probably 1861.7494 1556 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1863.2248 [The- some of th-] Yeah. The reasoning. You know, there's just that people don't have a way to. Where do we gather now? There is no place to gather. You know. 1870.7481 1557 LES_int_01 1863.2248 [That's part of it.] 1864.0623 1558 LES_int_01 1870.7481 Do you think that's been happening for a while? [Or recently?] 1873.6009 1559 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1872.7184 [It's- it's over a long] period of time and still happening now, you know. 1875.6292 1560 LES_int_01 1876.3608 Yeah. 1876.7691 1561 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1877.1730 [And] 1877.5199 1562 LES_int_01 1877.1730 [You could] talk about a couple different like, periods of the neighborhood, you know, when I- 1880.8696 1563 LES_int_01 1881.0014 when I read kind of, what's [been written about.] 1882.9528 1564 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1882.3953 [Oh, when I] 1882.7377 1565 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1882.9660 growing up early on, 1884.3226 1566 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1884.3226 (pause 0.40) 1884.7221 1567 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1884.7221 like I say, I studied fencing at the Henry Street Settlement. 1887.0890 1568 LES_int_01 1887.2778 You did? 1887.7964 1569 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1887.7964 Yeah, I s- [took fencing] up there. Uh. 1890.1210 1570 LES_int_01 1888.4219 [Cool.] 1888.8390 1571 LES_int_01 1890.1210 [Woah.] 1890.6522 1572 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1890.4572 [They had.] 1890.9621 1573 LES_int_01 1890.8366 [With the] sword? 1891.4776 1574 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1891.4776 Yeah. With the whole thing. I had to- I was pretty good 1893.8231 1575 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1893.9416 actually too. 1894.5518 1576 LES_int_01 1894.6309 That's [cool.] 1895.3377 1577 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1895.1314 [Um.] 1895.6406 1578 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1896.0050 They don't have that 1896.6548 1579 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1896.6548 (pause 0.25) 1896.9094 1580 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1896.9094 now. 1897.3177 1581 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1897.3177 (pause 0.80) 1898.1211 1582 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1898.1211 You know. 1898.5091 1583 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1898.5091 (pause 0.21) 1898.7199 1584 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1898.7199 And you'd go there, and you'd meet 1899.7691 1585 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1899.7691 (pause 0.11) 1899.8745 1586 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1899.8745 guys from you know, wherever. All those different project people, you would see people 1903.9059 1587 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1903.9059 (pause 0.13) 1904.0374 1588 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1904.0374 from each 1904.5247 1589 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1904.5247 (pause 0.22) 1904.7398 1590 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1904.7398 development 1905.3062 1591 LES_int_01 1905.4434 [Yeah.] 1905.8744 1592 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1905.6629 [would] wind up there 1906.6375 1593 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1906.7385 at these- 1907.2083 1594 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1907.2083 (pause 0.19) 1907.3999 1595 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1907.3999 at these, they- 1907.9092 1596 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1907.9092 (pause 0.10) 1908.0102 1597 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1908.0102 they taught k- had karate classes down there. 1910.0297 1598 LES_int_01 1910.0868 Yeah. 1910.3985 1599 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1910.6312 And you'd meet guys from everywhere, you know? 1912.5190 1600 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1912.5190 (pause 0.25) 1912.7649 1601 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1912.7649 You'd 1912.9854 1602 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1912.9854 (pause 0.25) 1913.2346 1603 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1913.2346 meet guys from the Smith, any- everybody would end up there. 1915.9731 1604 LES_int_01 1915.9972 Right. 1916.3660 1605 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1916.4918 So, you had that camaraderie, and that kind of, you know, 1919.0381 1606 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1919.0381 (pause 0.39) 1919.4289 1607 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1919.4289 Then, if those programs don't exist, and then you don't have that 1922.0499 1608 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1922.0499 (pause 0.29) 1922.3425 1609 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1922.3425 you know, that meeting of the [minds kind of a thing. Yeah.] 1925.2050 1610 LES_int_01 1923.4840 [A way for people to] find [common ground.] 1926.5264 1611 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1925.6967 [Yeah. It's nothing to do now.] You know. 1927.1411 1612 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1927.2904 Where do we go? You know, what are we gonna do? 1929.0898 1613 LES_int_01 1929.3488 Right. 1929.7029 1614 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1929.8888 So, I think a largely 1931.3815 1615 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1931.3815 (pause 0.56) 1931.9438 1616 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1931.9438 a- a lot of 1932.5848 1617 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1932.5848 (pause 0.19) 1932.7780 1618 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1932.7780 the money being spent is not being- 1934.6775 1619 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1934.6775 (pause 0.32) 1935.0024 1620 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1935.0024 doesn't find its way back to these communities. 1936.8112 1621 LES_int_01 1936.9165 Okay. 1937.2853 1622 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1937.3380 And- and that's 1938.1151 1623 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1938.1151 (pause 0.25) 1938.3609 1624 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1938.3609 the reason why a lot of- 1939.5726 1625 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1939.5726 (pause 0.30) 1939.8712 1626 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1939.8712 there's not that same 1941.0331 1627 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1941.0331 (pause 0.23) 1941.2617 1628 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1941.2617 social thing going on. 1942.5653 1629 LES_int_01 1942.5653 Right. 1942.9604 1630 LES_int_01 1942.9604 (pause 0.41) 1943.3731 1631 LES_int_01 1943.3731 Now, 1943.7946 1632 LES_int_01 1943.7946 (pause 0.12) 1943.9191 1633 LES_int_01 1943.9191 the time that you guys were growing up though- you were young and teenagers, wha- what I was gonna say, is when I read, you know, books about the Lower East Side, 1950.3021 1634 LES_int_01 1950.3021 (pause 0.20) 1950.5040 1635 LES_int_01 1950.5040 considered kind of a- a- bad period. In the sense that there was a lot of crime and drugs in the [neighborhood.] 1956.5203 1636 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1956.1910 [Yeah.] There was that. I mean, I didn't see that, really. I mean it was there but, 1959.4568 1637 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1959.5666 you know, it 1960.0715 1638 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1960.0715 (pause 0.13) 1960.2032 1639 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1960.2032 it just seemed like it was 1961.2305 1640 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1961.2305 (pause 0.64) 1961.8698 1641 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1961.8698 it was just part of it. You know. [And it didn't really.] Yeah. It didn't really 1965.2278 1642 LES_int_01 1963.1424 [It's just natural.] 1964.0424 1643 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1965.5264 you know, and I didn't involve myself in it, so it didn't really 1968.1424 1644 LES_int_01 1968.9151 [And so, it's interesting] that [in spite-] 1970.3551 1645 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1969.0161 [You know.] 1969.5661 1646 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1969.5661 (pause 0.39) 1969.9556 1647 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1969.9556 [But you did] see it, ye- it was definitely a 1971.6563 1648 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1971.7924 you know, [you'd seen a lot of] 1972.9558 1649 LES_int_01 1972.1655 [It was.] 1972.8578 1650 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1973.1051 drugs, 1973.5282 1651 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1973.5282 (pause 0.17) 1973.6994 1652 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1973.6994 uh, 1973.8750 1653 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1973.8750 (pause 0.61) 1974.4852 1654 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1974.4852 in the neighborhood 1975.1438 1655 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1975.1438 (pause 0.10) 1975.2404 1656 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1975.2404 that kind of filtered in. 1976.1157 1657 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1976.1157 (pause 0.11) 1976.2254 1658 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1976.2254 I don't think that when we were growing up early, 1978.0474 1659 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1978.0474 (pause 0.48) 1978.5259 1660 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1978.5259 you didn't see that so much, or- or maybe we just didn't see it in, 1981.0371 1661 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1981.0371 (pause 0.09) 1981.1293 1662 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1981.1293 you know, didn't recognize it. 1982.2708 1663 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1982.2708 (pause 0.27) 1982.5386 1664 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1982.5386 [As you got] 1983.0830 1665 LES_int_01 1982.5386 [Right.] 1982.8328 1666 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1983.6625 to be a teenager, and then you saw more of that, or maybe just realized what was going on. 1988.1510 1667 LES_int_01 1988.4057 [Right.] 1988.7437 1668 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1988.5330 [And so,] it's a lot of drugs filtering into the neighborhood. 1990.6233 1669 LES_int_01 1991.0512 [Yeah.] 1991.4140 1670 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1991.2268 [Um.] 1991.8546 1671 LES_int_01 1992.6477 And I- and- and- you didn't get involved, but did it affect friends of yours and [people around you?] 1997.0643 1672 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1996.2653 [I mean, I knew people] that- that- 1998.0126 1673 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1998.4605 that 1998.8995 1674 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1998.8995 (pause 0.19) 1999.0867 1675 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 1999.0867 involved themselves. I mean, I'd still know some people that's still the same people. 2002.9370 1676 LES_int_01 2003.2556 [Still involved. ] 2004.3063 1677 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2003.3278 [Are still-] 2003.7945 1678 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2003.7945 (pause 0.16) 2003.9525 1679 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2003.9525 [uh. Yeah.] Couple of people from [back then, when we were growing] up. Yeah. And they would still, they're still doing it. Same thing. 2009.2200 1680 LES_int_01 2005.6472 [Hard to quit right?] 2006.7579 1681 LES_int_01 2009.3386 Yeah. 2009.8039 1682 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2010.2605 Um. So, 2011.8520 1683 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2011.8520 (pause 0.52) 2012.3744 1684 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2012.3744 you know, y- you seen a lot of that. 2014.4044 1685 LES_int_01 2014.5405 Yeah. 2014.9883 1686 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2015.1288 And you kind of ignored that, because, you know, that's not the good stuff, so you, kind of, you know. 2018.8792 1687 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2018.8792 (pause 0.16) 2019.0372 1688 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2019.0372 Kind of 2019.4016 1689 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2019.4016 (pause 0.30) 2019.7001 1690 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2019.7001 didn't wanna pay attention to that, but. 2021.2192 1691 LES_int_01 2021.7241 That- that [seems to.] 2023.0236 1692 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2022.5363 [But it existed. It existed.] 2023.8753 1693 LES_int_01 2023.2694 [Yeah.] 2023.8182 1694 LES_int_01 2024.0465 [Yeah. That] seems like a really positive attitude. I mean a lot of people weren't as successful maybe as ignoring, or 2029.9256 1695 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2024.0904 [It's definitely.] 2024.7138 1696 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2030.6961 Yeah. I mean, you- you [could not ignore] it [totally. It] depends 2034.1276 1697 LES_int_01 2031.5132 [saying okay, I'm not.] 2032.3254 1698 LES_int_01 2032.3254 (pause 0.81) 2033.1333 1699 LES_int_01 2033.1333 [Right.] 2033.5108 1700 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2034.2835 to what level do I get involved with it, you know what I'm saying. [And] 2037.0005 1701 LES_int_01 2036.9435 [Yeah.] 2037.2288 1702 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2037.2288 and usually, you know, you just went about your business, you know, just kind of like, whatever. 2040.7624 1703 LES_int_01 2041.0384 Right. 2041.4555 1704 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2041.6355 Um. 2042.1448 1705 LES_int_01 2042.4653 And then, okay. So then, 2043.6375 1706 LES_int_01 2043.6375 (pause 0.28) 2043.9185 1707 LES_int_01 2043.9185 there's that sort of 2044.9985 1708 LES_int_01 2044.9985 (pause 0.40) 2045.3936 1709 LES_int_01 2045.3936 stuff happening, and then 2046.7985 1710 LES_int_01 2046.7985 (pause 0.31) 2047.1102 1711 LES_int_01 2047.1102 maybe in the eighties, nineties, you get this gentrification starting, with, uh, a sort of an opposite force. Like, 2052.4604 1712 LES_int_01 2052.4604 (pause 0.31) 2052.7722 1713 LES_int_01 2052.7722 um. 2053.3078 1714 LES_int_01 2053.3078 (pause 0.09) 2053.4000 1715 LES_int_01 2053.4000 With the 2053.9703 1716 LES_int_01 2053.9703 (pause 0.38) 2054.3511 1717 LES_int_01 2054.3511 yuppie people moving in. 2056.1643 1718 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2056.3048 Yeah. That- I think that was- I don't think that was eighties. That may have started later in the [nineties.] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2061.1550 1719 LES_int_01 2059.7940 [A little later.] 2060.3428 1720 LES_int_01 2061.1550 Yeah. 2061.5940 1721 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2061.8838 But, 2062.1986 1722 LES_int_01 2062.8117 And so that's ch- kind of changed the character. I mean I'm sort of trying to [figure out, like what's changed this community feeling?] 2068.2688 1723 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2066.0649 [Yeah, an- and- and basically, what happened, and you get this] 2068.7166 1724 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2068.8352 new element of people coming in. So now, there's really nobody to talk to, you know, the people you did know are not there. So, 2074.7631 1725 LES_int_01 2074.9782 [Right.] 2075.4093 1726 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2075.2065 [that] whole social community thing 2077.6558 1727 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2077.8489 is 2078.1343 1728 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2078.1343 (pause 0.15) 2078.2863 1729 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2078.2863 becoming less and less. [You know.] 2079.9370 1730 LES_int_01 2079.4497 [Yeah.] 2079.9370 1731 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2080.3409 [You got.] 2080.5868 1732 LES_int_01 2080.3409 [Is any] of it, like, class 2082.1717 1733 LES_int_01 2082.5346 related? Like are the- 2084.0009 1734 LES_int_01 2084.0009 (pause 0.16) 2084.1590 1735 LES_int_01 2084.1590 the more yuppie type [people that are moving in.] 2086.1434 1736 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2085.3970 [I would say the middle] class. I think back then, we were like lower 2088.1541 1737 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2088.7102 cla- we definitely were lower class, we weren't like middle class [then.] 2091.7702 1738 LES_int_01 2091.6323 [Yeah.] Or- Yeah. 2092.6728 1739 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2092.8791 Definitely weren't that. We were like 2094.3630 1740 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2094.3630 (pause 0.45) 2094.8093 1741 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2094.8093 upper lower. [You know, they had these-] these- they had these [they had all these] 2098.2354 1742 LES_int_01 2095.5723 [Within class, or.] 2096.8925 1743 LES_int_01 2096.8925 (pause 0.54) 2097.4358 1744 LES_int_01 2097.4358 [Lower middle, or] 2098.5778 1745 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2098.3759 [these] des- [yeah exactly] 2099.4032 1746 LES_int_01 2098.9773 [] 2099.8993 1747 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2099.7105 It was [lower. We were in the lower.] 2101.3344 1748 LES_int_01 2100.6939 [] 2101.6382 1749 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2101.6505 Whe- we were the lower lower, or the middle lower, 2103.9537 1750 LES_int_01 2103.9537 Right. 2104.2830 1751 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2104.2830 or the upper lower. [] 2105.5424 1752 LES_int_01 2105.4211 [Right. Right.] 2106.1587 1753 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2105.8190 [We were] in the [lower.] 2106.7014 1754 Misc 2106.5878 [I'd say we were] middle lower. 2107.9702 1755 LES_int_01 2106.5934 [] 2107.0236 1756 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2108.0542 Yeah, yeah. exactly. Yeah. 2109.1693 1757 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2109.1693 (pause 0.38) 2109.5480 1758 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2109.5480 Something like that. 2110.3635 1759 LES_int_01 2110.4294 Yeah. 2110.7806 1760 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2111.3480 And then, you have an influx of, let's say, middle [class.] 2114.4300 1761 LES_int_01 2114.2631 [Yeah. Yeah.] 2115.0407 1762 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2114.7861 [Which, like] you know, the whole middle class, it's a whole nother thing, you know. We don't know what that is. 2118.4432 1763 LES_int_01 2118.5486 Right. 2118.9420 1764 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2119.2186 So, the influx of that. 2120.2503 1765 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2120.2503 (pause 0.41) 2120.6603 1766 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2120.6603 Obviously, it's gonna knock that whole 2122.1925 1767 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2122.1925 (pause 0.24) 2122.4339 1768 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2122.4339 community spirit thing down, because it's- it's 2124.4930 1769 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2124.4930 (pause 0.13) 2124.6203 1770 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2124.6203 /you know I'm-/ 2125.0681 1771 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2125.0681 (pause 0.10) 2125.1691 1772 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2125.1691 They're like people coming from Mars, you know. 2126.8363 1773 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2126.8363 (pause 0.58) 2127.4202 1774 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2127.4202 [These] uh, you know. 2128.1665 1775 LES_int_01 2127.4202 [Yeah.] 2127.6785 1776 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2128.6544 They're not part of us, [you know.] 2129.9890 1777 LES_int_01 2129.8310 [Yeah.] 2130.2086 1778 LES_int_01 2130.5247 What's your opinion about 2131.7013 1779 LES_int_01 2131.7013 (pause 0.15) 2131.8509 1780 LES_int_01 2131.8509 uh, sort of general gentrification of the Lower East Side? [Is it something you see.] 2136.0332 1781 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2135.8356 [I] mean it's good. Only thing I don't like is the fact that 2137.8398 1782 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2138.0620 the rents seem to go up when that happens. [You know.] 2140.5260 1783 LES_int_01 2140.2756 [Right.] 2140.7410 1784 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2140.8202 And then you get to people who can't afford to live there anymore, then they're pushed out. 2143.9724 1785 LES_int_01 2144.1041 Right. Right. 2144.8900 1786 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2144.9953 And 2145.3992 1787 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2145.3992 (pause 0.71) 2146.1089 1788 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2146.1089 You know, again, that whole community thing is gone. You know. 2148.7870 1789 LES_int_01 2149.0241 Yeah. 2149.4324 1790 LES_int_01 2149.4324 (pause 0.29) 2149.7265 1791 LES_int_01 2149.7265 Yeah. 2149.9812 1792 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2149.9812 And that's what happens when those things happen. 2151.7477 1793 Misc 2152.2800 [Can I] just say something real quick about what would have done. 2155.0887 1794 Misc 2155.0887 (pause 0.22) 2155.3126 1795 Misc 2155.3126 Yeah. At one point, your family make up was your mother, 2158.3342 1796 Misc 2158.3342 (pause 0.71) 2159.0410 1797 Misc 2159.0410 your younger brother, 2159.9806 1798 Misc 2159.9806 (pause 0.67) 2160.6468 1799 Misc 2160.6468 that's not with us anymore, 2161.8409 1800 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2161.8409 Yeah. 2162.0165 1801 Misc 2162.6487 and you had your grandmother. 2163.8648 1802 Misc 2163.8648 (pause 0.78) 2164.6492 1803 Misc 2164.6492 And then you had your older brother staying there for a little while. 2167.5204 1804 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2167.5204 Yeah. 2167.7224 1805 Misc 2168.5306 Okay. Gentrification, your mother wouldn't have been able to- 2171.3974 1806 Misc 2171.3974 (pause 0.14) 2171.5423 1807 Misc 2171.5423 to have that type of large apartment like that under the normal rents if she wasn't [in the projects.] 2176.3086 1808 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2175.7554 [Well, I think] if you live- if she was in the [projects, no.] 2178.0686 1809 Misc 2177.6515 [No.] 2178.0203 1810 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2178.4154 No, no way. 2179.1969 1811 Misc 2178.6465 [Well,] what would have happened right there? Your grandmother woulda had to go to a s- to an old age home, 2182.9022 1812 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2182.9022 Right. [Exactly.] 2183.7276 1813 Misc 2183.5388 [She] passed away in your house. 2184.8773 1814 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2185.0924 Yeah. 2185.3295 1815 Misc 2185.5007 God [bless her. I] hope that happens to me. 2187.0516 1816 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2185.7082 [Actually. Yeah.] 2186.2526 1817 LES_int_01 2187.3276 Mm. 2187.9203 1818 Misc 2187.9862 Your brother, 2188.7325 1819 Misc 2188.7325 (pause 0.84) 2189.5755 1820 Misc 2189.5755 who was a little dysfunctional, your younger brother, whatever, would have probably been in jail. 2193.3637 1821 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2193.4471 Right. 2193.7369 1822 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2193.7369 (pause 0.13) 2193.8642 1823 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2193.8642 Right, right. 2194.3427 1824 Misc 2194.4920 Your other brother, 2195.3678 1825 Misc 2195.3678 (pause 0.80) 2196.1669 1826 Misc 2196.1669 would have been 2196.8518 1827 Misc 2196.8518 (pause 0.31) 2197.1635 1828 Misc 2197.1635 just bopping around. He had no family ties. 2199.7296 1829 Misc 2199.7296 (pause 0.36) 2200.0940 1830 Misc 2200.0940 And then, your mother would also felt bad cause she didn't have her family around. 2203.0047 1831 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2203.0047 Right. Right. 2203.4229 1832 Misc 2203.8575 So, I- I don't mean to interject in that, but that- that woulda been in a 2206.4653 1833 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2207.0086 [Well, that would've been.] 2207.8307 1834 Misc 2207.0086 [like an exact] outcome 2208.7132 1835 Misc 2209.1566 of her- of- that would have been what happened 2211.2203 1836 Misc 2211.2203 (pause 0.45) 2211.6725 1837 Misc 2211.6725 if- 2212.0149 1838 Misc 2212.0149 (pause 0.13) 2212.1466 1839 Misc 2212.1466 if she wouldn't've had those assets [of- of the projects.] 2215.0157 1840 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2213.6569 [Right, right, right. A- Of living in the projects.] 2215.5864 1841 Misc 2215.5019 [With low rent.] 2216.3712 1842 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2215.7653 [Oh, no doubt.] 2216.3712 1843 LES_int_01 2215.7661 [Right.] 2216.1915 1844 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2216.8629 [No doubt.] 2217.3127 1845 Misc 2216.8629 [No doubt.] That woulda killed that. Your family community. 2219.4493 1846 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2219.9103 Right. And that's- that's what I'm saying. That's what's happening. 2221.8096 1847 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2221.8096 (pause 0.29) 2222.1037 1848 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2222.1037 Whe- when you have that. 2223.2013 1849 LES_int_01 2223.2452 Mm-hm. 2223.8785 1850 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2224.1463 Uh. 2224.5546 1851 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2224.5546 (pause 0.14) 2224.6907 1852 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2224.6907 It does kill that family thing. 2225.9754 1853 LES_int_01 2225.9754 [Yeah.] 2226.2168 1854 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2226.0851 [Because] you can't afford now to 2227.8566 1855 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2228.0586 live here, and everybody's gonna get 2229.2703 1856 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2229.2703 (pause 0.13) 2229.4015 1857 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2229.4015 you know, wherever you g- whatever you do, you're gonna have to do whatever you can do. 2232.7359 1858 LES_int_01 2232.7899 [Right.] 2233.1599 1859 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2232.8557 [You know.] 2233.2289 1860 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2233.3343 And [so, you-] it won't be that solidarity thing going on anymore. 2236.8641 1861 LES_int_01 2233.4923 [Right.] 2233.8220 1862 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2237.6631 Um. With the family thing. So, that kind of breaks up the family. That would do that 2240.9240 1863 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2240.9240 (pause 0.37) 2241.2971 1864 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2241.2971 as well. 2241.7845 1865 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2241.7845 (pause 0.99) 2242.7723 1866 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2242.7723 Um. 2243.3007 1867 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2243.3007 (pause 0.48) 2243.7837 1868 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2243.7837 I'm not bitter about that. Don't get me wrong. 2245.3773 1869 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2245.3773 (pause 0.08) 2245.4607 1870 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2245.4607 I'm you know. [Tha- just- just.] 2246.6686 1871 LES_int_01 2245.9530 [So, you see some] positive effects of 2248.0169 1872 LES_int_01 2248.3369 [gentrification.] 2249.4125 1873 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2248.5784 [Well, the neighborhood got] better I think at one time, cause there was the whole 2251.6691 1874 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2251.8623 just drug influx [at one] time when, you know, that whole Lower East Side, Avenue A, Avenue B, Avenue C, 2257.4632 1875 LES_int_01 2252.9597 [Yeah.] 2253.3021 1876 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2257.6695 it was like 2258.0471 1877 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2258.0471 (pause 0.13) 2258.1744 1878 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2258.1744 crazy drug infested [there.] 2259.4959 1879 LES_int_01 2259.3592 [Right.] 2259.8158 1880 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2259.9475 You know, you go down there, you see buildings burnt out, all kind of stuff. 2262.4719 1881 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2262.4719 (pause 0.60) 2263.0690 1882 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2263.0690 And that whole 2263.6090 1883 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2263.6090 (pause 0.17) 2263.7802 1884 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2263.7802 gentrification thing 2264.7944 1885 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2264.7944 (pause 0.56) 2265.3504 1886 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2265.3504 kind of helped that. 2266.0397 1887 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2266.0397 (pause 0.20) 2266.2416 1888 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2266.2416 You know, the neighborhood now is, I can't live there, but, you [know. I still can't live there.] 2270.1534 1889 LES_int_01 2268.7172 [] 2269.8982 1890 LES_int_01 2270.1616 Okay. 2270.6050 1891 LES_int_01 2270.6050 (pause 0.51) 2271.1100 1892 LES_int_01 2271.1100 [So, you see sort of] positives and- [positives] and negatives at the same [time.] 2274.8989 1893 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2271.1867 [But the is.] 2271.9162 1894 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2271.9162 (pause 0.94) 2272.8534 1895 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2272.8534 [Oh. 2273.0895 1896 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2273.0895 (pause 1.55) 2274.6398 1897 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2274.6398 [Yeah,] yeah. 2275.4465 1898 LES_int_01 2275.5738 [/inaudible/] 2275.9734 1899 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2275.5870 [I can't afford] to live there, but it's good to see that the neighborhood, they're fixing up the neighborhood and [stuff.] 2279.9508 1900 LES_int_01 2279.5820 [Right.] Right. [Okay.] 2280.7194 1901 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2280.4601 [So,] 2281.1537 1902 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2281.3118 you know, there are positives and negatives to [that] 2283.4580 1903 LES_int_01 2283.0672 [Yeah.] Yea- it's co- I mean, it's [complicated /like you said/.] 2285.3019 1904 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2284.6390 [Yeah, yeah.] 2285.0165 1905 LES_int_01 2285.9912 Um. 2286.6278 1906 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2286.7463 Hm. Are these good? 2287.3547 1907 LES_int_01 2287.5936 These are so good. 2288.2072 1908 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2288.2423 Hm. 2288.4574 1909 LES_int_01 2288.6901 If I uh, if I asked you if there were a coup- 2291.1975 1910 LES_int_01 2291.1975 (pause 0.17) 2291.3643 1911 LES_int_01 2291.3643 uh, uh, a few 2292.4750 1912 LES_int_01 2292.4750 (pause 0.29) 2292.7604 1913 LES_int_01 2292.7604 places for you, 2293.9282 1914 LES_int_01 2293.9282 (pause 0.24) 2294.1697 1915 LES_int_01 2294.1697 in the neighborhood, 2295.1805 1916 LES_int_01 2295.1805 (pause 0.21) 2295.3913 1917 LES_int_01 2295.3913 that stick out in your 2296.7698 1918 LES_int_01 2296.7698 (pause 0.19) 2296.9630 1919 LES_int_01 2296.9630 time that you spent there as like, really important to you. 2299.3041 1920 LES_int_01 2299.3041 (pause 0.46) 2299.7667 1921 LES_int_01 2299.7667 Um. 2300.3550 1922 LES_int_01 2300.3550 (pause 0.20) 2300.5526 1923 LES_int_01 2300.5526 Places where you spent time, or- or that really matter to you. 2303.6823 1924 LES_int_01 2303.6823 (pause 0.40) 2304.0818 1925 LES_int_01 2304.0818 What would you [say?] 2304.8369 1926 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2304.4641 [Um.] 2304.8065 1927 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2306.2243 Henry Street Settlement. One of 'em. 2307.3789 1928 LES_int_01 2307.5238 Mm-hm. 2307.9156 1929 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2308.3941 Um. 2308.7454 1930 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2308.7454 (pause 0.44) 2309.1880 1931 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2309.1880 Cause I- I- I- 2309.8824 1932 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2309.8824 (pause 0.49) 2310.3720 1933 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2310.3720 we used to rehearse as a band there. 2311.6934 1934 LES_int_01 2312.1193 Oh, you did? 2312.5846 1935 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2312.8700 2312.9403 1936 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2312.9403 (pause 0.19) 2313.1334 1937 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2313.1334 We rehearsed there. 2314.0060 1938 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2314.0060 (pause 0.47) 2314.4713 1939 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2314.4713 I studied karate there, 2315.8411 1940 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2315.8411 (pause 0.26) 2316.1001 1941 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2316.1001 studied [fencing there.] 2317.2548 1942 LES_int_01 2316.8640 [Karate,] fencing, 2318.1241 1943 LES_int_01 2318.4050 [you know] a lot of cool [sports.] 2319.6738 1944 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2318.4709 [Mm-hm.] 2318.7343 1945 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2318.7343 (pause 0.74) 2319.4763 1946 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2319.4763 [Yeah,] yeah. 2319.8675 1947 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2320.1441 Was into that. I'm- r- you know. 2321.1802 1948 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2321.1802 (pause 0.59) 2321.7678 1949 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2321.7678 Not now. 2322.2946 1950 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2322.2946 (pause 0.13) 2322.4219 1951 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2322.4219 I don't do anything now, but. 2323.4756 1952 LES_int_01 2323.4756 2324.0068 1953 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2324.6039 So, that's a point and place for me. 2325.8712 1954 LES_int_01 2326.0687 Mm-hm. 2326.4024 1955 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2326.4024 Um. 2326.9248 1956 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2328.9400 Basically, 2329.3746 1957 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2329.3746 (pause 0.45) 2329.8268 1958 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2329.8268 I mean, in- some of the 2330.8410 1959 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2330.8410 (pause 0.11) 2330.9507 1960 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2330.9507 surrounding parks in the area. 2332.4551 1961 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2332.4551 (pause 0.48) 2332.9380 1962 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2332.9380 Cause we always found a way to play in these parks 2335.0014 1963 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2335.0014 (pause 0.13) 2335.1332 1964 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2335.1332 [you know,] we'd get the band together, and we'd just play 2336.9332 1965 LES_int_01 2335.1332 [Yeah.] 2335.4361 1966 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2338.3936 [whatever park.] 2339.0126 1967 LES_int_01 2338.5604 [So, you guys] were just playing. You'd set up your 2340.7644 1968 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2341.2385 We'd [set up our equipment] and we'd find some electricity, a lamp pole to plug into, 2344.7008 1969 LES_int_01 2341.4273 [own equipment.] 2342.1473 1970 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2344.9642 plug all the amps in, and we'd just [play.] 2346.7691 1971 LES_int_01 2346.4091 [And you] start playing. 2347.4453 1972 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2347.4453 Yeah, we'd just play. 2348.0643 1973 LES_int_01 2348.5761 And what kind of music was is? 2349.5771 1974 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2350.6176 Oh, we played all kind of, we played rock music at one point, we played uh, 2354.0537 1975 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2354.0537 (pause 0.28) 2354.3346 1976 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2354.3346 R and B music, 2355.4981 1977 LES_int_01 2355.6605 Mm-hm. 2355.9810 1978 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2356.2795 uh, pop 2356.9238 1979 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2356.9238 (pause 0.11) 2357.0336 1980 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2357.0336 music, I guess, and back then, it wasn't all these classifications of music too, it was just music then, [you know.] 2362.1751 1981 LES_int_01 2361.7712 [Right,] right. 2362.5571 1982 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2362.6624 Now, they have you know, all kind of categories now, but. 2364.6951 1983 LES_int_01 2365.0950 Yeah. 2365.3892 1984 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2365.5209 Um. 2366.0170 1985 LES_int_01 2366.9741 What about the music that you play now? Or you- can you [categorize?] 2369.7296 1986 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2369.5408 [R and] B music [kind of.] 2370.8360 1987 LES_int_01 2370.5490 [R and B.] 2371.1258 1988 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2370.9457 [Yeah.] 2371.2750 1989 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2371.3584 Play some funk. We /??/ call it funk. [We-[ 2373.3503 1990 LES_int_01 2373.1305 [Yeah.] 2373.5827 1991 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2373.6238 I still don't like to get into those [classifications, but.] 2375.9852 1992 LES_int_01 2375.1385 [Okay, okay.] 2375.9852 1993 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2376.4857 That's what they say it is. And [that's] 2378.8088 1994 LES_int_01 2378.2732 [It's unique.] 2379.0562 1995 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2379.0562 Yeah, yeah. I, you know. I just call it music, you know 2381.2689 1996 LES_int_01 2381.2689 Right, [right.] 2381.9551 1997 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2381.6171 [I let] you put the title on it, [you know,] I don't. 2383.7771 1998 LES_int_01 2383.0132 [Okay.] 2383.3381 1999 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2384.5498 But, 2384.8308 2000 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2384.8308 (pause 0.57) 2385.4044 2001 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2385.4044 basically, that Henry Street Settlement was a big 2387.1429 2002 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2387.1429 (pause 0.24) 2387.3800 2003 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2387.3800 big part of my life 2388.2493 2004 LES_int_01 2388.2449 [Yeah.] 2388.6137 2005 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2388.4951 [growing] up 2388.9342 2006 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2389.8430 because 2390.3391 2007 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2390.3391 (pause 1.06) 2391.3956 2008 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2391.3956 it, you know, s- that's where the, lot of the development stages of my life, [you know] 2395.5005 2009 LES_int_01 2395.1756 [You spent /enough-/] you spent a lot of time there. 2397.2103 2010 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2395.6278 [took place.] 2396.2249 2011 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2397.3708 Pre- I l- I think I did, I did, I did. 2399.5907 2012 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2399.5907 (pause 0.29) 2399.8761 2013 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2399.8761 I f- I cause I studied- I was in the basketball team that was a part of the Henry Street Settlement. I couldn't play, but. 2404.3158 2014 LES_int_01 2404.4606 2405.1894 2015 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2405.1894 I sucked really. [] 2407.2572 2016 LES_int_01 2406.5574 [] 2407.2572 2017 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2407.7647 [But, I think I got] on the basketball team cause my brother could play. 2410.7709 2018 LES_int_01 2407.7647 [/unintelligible/] 2408.9138 2019 LES_int_01 2411.1309 Okay. 2411.5129 2020 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2411.5129 And they put me on the team thinking that, if i- you know, if you're his brother, then you should be able to play. 2415.7831 2021 LES_int_01 2416.0246 [Right.] 2416.3275 2022 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2416.2221 [I] couldn't play at all, but 2417.1090 2023 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2417.2495 you know, they found that out pretty quick. 2418.5589 2024 LES_int_01 2418.5589 [] 2419.3008 2025 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2419.3008 But, everything else I did, they, you know, was fencing, and the [karate, yeah] 2422.7325 2026 LES_int_01 2421.4286 [Did you uh, end up] on the bench? Or 2423.5052 2027 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2423.8564 Most of the time. 2424.4359 2028 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2424.4359 (pause 0.38) 2424.8131 2029 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2424.8131 I think I got in, I'll tell you a quick story. 2426.8371 2030 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2426.8371 (pause 0.93) 2427.7622 2031 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2427.7622 But, 2428.0209 2032 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2428.0209 (pause 0.11) 2428.1351 2033 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2428.1351 you know, 2428.5082 2034 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2428.5082 (pause 0.22) 2428.7234 2035 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2428.7234 I- it was another guy who sit on the bench with me. 2430.2863 2036 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2430.2863 (pause 0.29) 2430.5761 2037 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2430.5761 And we would have these things, or who's gonna get in first? You know, it's like, 2433.3337 2038 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2433.3337 (pause 0.16) 2433.4978 2039 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2433.4978 I bet I'm gonna get in first, and he said, nah, bet I'm gonna get in first. So, one day, 2436.7894 2040 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2436.7894 (pause 0.29) 2437.0796 2041 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2437.0796 I was so excited, a guy p- okay Mitchell, you getting in. 2439.2696 2042 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2439.2696 (pause 0.52) 2439.7907 2043 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2439.7907 And I got so excited, I got in, you know. And they gave me the ball. 2442.8580 2044 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2442.8580 (pause 0.22) 2443.0823 2045 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2443.0823 And I went the other way. 2444.2429 2046 LES_int_01 2444.3922 [] 2444.9805 2047 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2444.5898 [And shot] the ball in the other people's basket and made it. 2446.9869 2048 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2447.0791 You know, that was like. 2448.4066 2049 LES_int_01 2448.7749 That's such a [classic story. (laughing)] 2450.6566 2050 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2449.3153 [That's when I knew that] 2450.9261 2051 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2451.1413 basketball's not my (laughing) 2452.4583 2052 LES_int_01 2452.9756 And [they immediately] pulled you [back on the bench?] 2455.2741 2053 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2453.1125 [my thing.] 2453.7271 2054 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2453.7271 (pause 0.46) 2454.1854 2055 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2454.1854 [Yeah. Go-] 2454.5893 2056 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2454.5893 (pause 0.28) 2454.8702 2057 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2454.8702 [back on] the bench. That was it, and I was like okay. My brother was like, he was like, oh, no. He didn't do that. 2459.4109 2058 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2459.5129 Did he do that? 2460.3063 2059 Misc 2460.5227 Then the other team offered you a [contract.] 2462.0576 2060 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2461.7668 [ Exac- ] 2463.5273 2061 LES_int_01 2461.9248 [] 2463.6853 2062 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2463.8258 Yeah, I got- I end up playing for the other team. 2465.3624 2063 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2465.3624 (pause 0.19) 2465.5512 2064 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2465.5512 [] 2467.2897 2065 LES_int_01 2466.5390 [That's hilarious.] 2467.9395 2066 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2467.8385 [But.] 2468.2073 2067 LES_int_01 2468.3390 2469.0063 2068 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2469.2039 Uh. No. Basketball wasn't my thing there, but. 2471.4023 2069 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2471.4023 (pause 0.40) 2471.8047 2070 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2471.8047 Everything else. And that Henry Street Settlement's where all that happened. 2474.5047 2071 LES_int_01 2474.7462 Okay. 2475.1676 2072 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2475.4793 So, I'd say that was a pretty 2476.6735 2073 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2476.6735 (pause 0.25) 2476.9194 2074 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2476.9194 big 2477.0818 2075 LES_int_01 2477.2570 [That /inaudible/ place, yeah.] 2478.8166 2076 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2477.3496 [part of my life back then, yeah.] 2478.9066 2077 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2479.0493 For me. 2479.4093 2078 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2479.4093 (pause 0.25) 2479.6596 2079 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2479.6596 Yeah. 2479.9493 2080 LES_int_01 2480.1513 LaGuardia [Projects.] 2481.4601 2081 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2481.3460 [Yeah.] 2481.5084 2082 LES_int_01 2482.4172 Manhunt. 2482.9561 2083 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2483.4786 Manhunt. 2483.9439 2084 LES_int_01 2484.1283 2484.7336 2085 Misc 2484.7336 They also [bought us equipment.] 2485.8604 2086 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2485.1510 [Kick the can, ring /unintelligible/.] 2486.5497 2087 Misc 2486.8043 Remember? They bought our band [equipment?] 2488.1880 2088 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2487.8097 [Red Rover.] 2488.5078 2089 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2489.2497 Right, I think we played one of the organ- one of the organizations, 2492.0726 2090 Misc 2492.7400 Bought us equipment. 2493.4205 2091 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2493.4205 that um. 2494.2239 2092 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2494.4199 A- in [fact, the Henry Street] Settlement. 2495.6975 2093 LES_int_01 2494.7404 [Henry Street?] 2495.2980 2094 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2495.9477 Yeah. 2496.1541 2095 LES_int_01 2496.7643 They [did?] 2497.2824 2096 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2497.1639 [Well,] we [did so] many things for them. 2498.3668 2097 Misc 2497.4317 [Yeah.] 2497.7214 2098 Misc 2498.5907 They told us to [go home] 2499.8990 2099 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2499.0912 [Every event.] 2499.8200 2100 Misc 2500.0878 and write up. 2500.6322 2101 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2500.7288 [A proposal right?] 2502.4806 2102 Misc 2501.6404 [The guy got mad] at me. He yelled at me. 2503.5502 2103 LES_int_01 2504.0084 This is when you were [teenagers?] 2505.2904 2104 Misc 2505.1938 [Yeah.] We're like thirteen, [fourteen] years old. And he like, was talking all big to us. 2508.9716 2105 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2506.0082 [Mm-hm.] 2506.3243 2106 Misc 2509.2219 And you young lads, 2510.6487 2107 Misc 2510.6487 (pause 0.29) 2510.9429 2108 Misc 2510.9429 will do this and everything. God wants you to go 2513.1709 2109 Misc 2513.1709 (pause 0.15) 2513.3202 2110 Misc 2513.3202 home, write up [what equipment you] need. 2515.4012 2111 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2514.2893 [] 2515.1147 2112 Misc 2516.0059 [So,] 2516.3220 2113 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2516.1552 [Yeah.] 2516.5152 2114 Misc 2516.9630 [we went to the /unintelligible/] store, and it came to like three thousand [dollars.] 2520.4302 2115 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2517.2033 [Did you really mean that?] 2518.0551 2116 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2518.0551 (pause 1.90) 2519.9517 2117 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2519.9517 [] 2520.9922 2118 Misc 2521.2980 And we went into this big meeting in a board room, and we're like, oh, what'll they think? 2524.9814 2119 Misc 2524.9814 (pause 0.23) 2525.2141 2120 Misc 2525.2141 And he's talking all of this thing, 2526.5444 2121 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2526.7902 [] 2527.2584 2122 Misc 2526.7902 [and] 2527.2584 2123 Misc 2527.4733 I'm gonna get these kids equipment. 2529.3655 2124 Misc 2529.3655 (pause 0.14) 2529.5104 2125 Misc 2529.5104 Give me the [paper.] 2530.3056 2126 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2530.1436 [] 2532.1676 2127 Misc 2530.8636 [When we handed him the paper, he saw that three thousand dollars (laughing)] 2534.4351 2128 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2532.5385 [] 2534.2024 2129 Misc 2534.7864 He went [ started choking.] 2537.8381 2130 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2535.7308 [] 2536.9118 2131 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2538.3211 Yeah, well, do you need all that? And he's like do you need [all that?] 2540.6237 2132 LES_int_01 2539.9784 [And did he say it's] too much? 2541.3130 2133 Misc 2541.6072 Yeah. [He want- think he wanted to give] us a hundred fifty [bucks or something. He-] 2545.2974 2134 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2542.0682 [Back then it was too much.] 2543.1849 2135 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2543.1849 (pause 0.95) 2544.1376 2136 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2544.1376 [] 2544.9630 2137 LES_int_01 2544.2825 [Oh.] 2545.3844 2138 Misc 2545.4335 [So you ca-] 2545.9125 2139 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2545.4898 [What do you want? Get a couple of tambourines or something?] 2547.3442 2140 Misc 2546.4696 [we-] 2546.6760 2141 Misc 2546.6760 (pause 0.15) 2546.8252 2142 Misc 2546.8252 [So we whittled] him down to three hundred dollars or like four hundred [dollars or something.] 2550.7527 2143 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2550.0678 [I think we did] get a PA system [right? We got a PA system out of it.] 2553.4248 2144 Misc 2551.3086 [Yeah. 2551.5765 2145 Misc 2551.5765 (pause 0.15) 2551.7257 2146 Misc 2551.7257 [Four hundred fifty. We got something out of it.] 2553.7760 2147 Misc 2553.8901 [But E-] 2554.2589 2148 LES_int_01 2554.0394 [Cause equipment is expensive.] 2555.7483 2149 Misc 2554.5260 [That was so-] 2555.1933 2150 Misc 2555.1933 (pause 0.41) 2555.6016 2151 Misc 2555.6016 [I- and] the way he said, he was a big shot. 2557.6870 2152 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2555.7992 [Yeah.] 2556.0889 2153 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2557.7722 [Yeah, I mean, you know.] 2558.9601 2154 Misc 2557.8055 [So, he'd be talking, you know,] get whatever you need. 2559.9963 2155 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2560.0094 [] 2561.5021 2156 Misc 2560.8172 [And then we laughed] at him, and he got mad. Cause he said 2563.2248 2157 Misc 2563.4267 a guitar? 2564.2126 2158 Misc 2564.2126 (pause 0.32) 2564.5331 2159 Misc 2564.5331 Three hundred? I thought a guitar is fifteen dollars, and we started to laugh. 2567.7693 2160 Misc 2567.7693 (pause 0.16) 2567.9256 2161 Misc 2567.9256 Now, [/inaudible/ was laughing at] a grown [man] 2570.0203 2162 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2568.3037 [] 2569.2608 2163 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2569.2608 (pause 0.48) 2569.7394 2164 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2569.7394 [Wait'll you see how much a guitar costs now.] 2571.1559 2165 Misc 2570.2327 [who is ignorant] of how much [it should cost,] 2572.5740 2166 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2571.7091 [Right, right, right.] 2572.5213 2167 Misc 2572.7452 and he got mad at [us. At me.] 2574.6769 2168 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2573.9745 [Yeah. (laughing) That was, uh.] 2574.6769 2169 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2574.8569 /RD-NAME-4/ right? 2575.6296 2170 Misc 2575.6296 Yeah. He got mad at me. 2576.4681 2171 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2576.7535 [] 2577.2569 2172 Misc 2576.7535 [/unintelligible/] 2577.9593 2173 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2578.1393 [] 2578.7232 2174 Misc 2578.4422 [S-] Sorry man, you're stupid, but 2580.2706 2175 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2580.4858 [Lotta things happened down there.] 2582.0445 2176 Misc 2580.4858 [I remember, that was funny. I remember that.] 2582.0445 2177 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2582.2376 [] 2582.6371 2178 LES_int_01 2582.5186 [What's] a guitar cost? 2583.6557 2179 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2584.2572 [What? Now?] 2584.7708 2180 LES_int_01 2584.2572 [Fifteen dollars.] 2585.4059 2181 Misc 2585.2127 [Oh] now? It's about twelve hundred bucks. 2587.3244 2182 LES_int_01 2587.4825 [Oh. Yeah.] 2588.0752 2183 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2587.6888 [Yeah a] decent one. 2588.5014 2184 LES_int_01 2588.6284 [A decent] one [yeah.] 2589.7172 2185 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2588.6287 [Yeah.] 2588.9448 2186 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2588.9448 (pause 0.28) 2589.2254 2187 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2589.2254 [Yeah.] 2589.5240 2188 Misc 2589.2254 [Back then, was] like three hundred. Like, he was like, he said fifteen dollars, we all laughed, and he [got mad.] 2593.3682 2189 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2592.7914 [] 2593.9898 2190 Misc 2593.5570 [And he yelled at me.] 2594.4570 2191 LES_int_01 2595.2384 That's crazy. 2596.3053 2192 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2596.2921 Yeah, and that's f- that's- it happened at Henry Street Settlement. [/inaudible/] 2599.4076 2193 Misc 2599.1266 [Yeah.] 2599.4076 2194 LES_int_01 2599.6402 Okay. 2600.0178 2195 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2600.0178 Only thing that went on there. So, that was an important part of us- our thing right? Then we played for every function they had. 2604.4119 2196 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2604.9607 Every function that site, [so they had to.] 2606.8139 2197 Misc 2605.7910 [Or they used us for that four hundred] 2607.4568 2198 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2607.3786 [Exactly. Or they o- forget- I think that was the worst thing that we shoulda- that we shoulda did. 2611.8084 2199 Misc 2607.5849 [/inaudible/] 2609.3147 2200 LES_int_01 2609.3147 [/inaudible/] 2610.1225 2201 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2612.1640 Because now, we were at their- at their [will now, you know.] 2615.6087 2202 Misc 2614.3970 [They pla- they played for /inaudible/] 2616.4785 2203 LES_int_01 2615.6137 [Free entertainment.] 2616.8429 2204 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2616.2003 [They're gonna snatch that.] 2617.0317 2205 LES_int_01 2617.0361 Free. 2617.5234 2206 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2617.5234 Yeah. Exactly, you know. 2618.8784 2207 Misc 2619.0233 November Wednesdays. 2620.2133 2208 Misc 2620.2133 (pause 0.12) 2620.3316 2209 Misc 2620.3316 I'm like what? [That's not even a holiday.] 2621.9598 2210 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2620.9023 [] 2623.3895 2211 LES_int_01 2622.0188 [] 2623.3981 2212 Misc 2623.3324 [That's] a. 2623.7846 2213 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2624.1622 Whatever they- 2624.6012 2214 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2624.6012 (pause 0.36) 2624.9568 2215 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2624.9568 Whatever event they came up with. 2626.7102 2216 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2626.7102 (pause 0.68) 2627.3907 2217 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2627.3907 When they came back from camp 2628.8175 2218 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2628.8175 (pause 0.29) 2629.1098 2219 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2629.1098 And I don't even [know what day that was, you know.] 2630.6596 2220 Misc 2629.7453 [Yeah. Camp- Camp] return day. [We're like, what?] 2633.3497 2221 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2631.5464 [[ 2632.6341 2222 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2634.0302 And (coughing) we had to play for that. 2635.2331 2223 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2635.2331 (pause 0.37) 2635.6063 2224 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2635.6063 But, I think we enjoyed it so much, we did it anyway. 2637.2731 2225 LES_int_01 2637.8263 That's [really] funny. 2638.9678 2226 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2638.0151 [But.] 2638.2170 2227 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2639.1876 That's pretty much what hap- Henry Street Settlement was a big part of our thing. 2641.9623 2228 LES_int_01 2642.1599 Yeah. 2642.5052 2229 LES_int_01 2642.5052 (pause 0.32) 2642.8300 2230 LES_int_01 2642.8300 Cool, cool. 2643.4227 2231 LES_int_01 2643.4227 (pause 0.35) 2643.7696 2232 LES_int_01 2643.7696 Um. I also really wanted to ask your opinion about um, 2647.1281 2233 LES_int_01 2647.1281 (pause 0.54) 2647.6725 2234 LES_int_01 2647.6725 housing and development in the neighborhood. 2650.1250 2235 LES_int_01 2650.1250 (pause 0.53) 2650.6563 2236 LES_int_01 2650.6563 So, I'm sure you've noticed 2652.5338 2237 LES_int_01 2652.5338 (pause 0.25) 2652.7840 2238 LES_int_01 2652.7840 some of the 2653.5699 2239 LES_int_01 2653.5699 (pause 1.11) 2654.6762 2240 LES_int_01 2654.6762 luxury buildings going up 2656.1294 2241 LES_int_01 2656.1294 (pause 0.22) 2656.3446 2242 LES_int_01 2656.3446 in the [area.] 2657.0871 2243 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2656.7885 [Yeah.] I see a lot of that. 2658.2285 2244 LES_int_01 2658.4632 Definitely noticeable. 2659.5461 2245 LES_int_01 2659.5461 (pause 0.77) 2660.3144 2246 LES_int_01 2660.3144 Um. 2661.1969 2247 LES_int_01 2661.1969 (pause 0.86) 2662.0530 2248 LES_int_01 2662.0530 I mean, 2662.4805 2249 LES_int_01 2662.4805 (pause 0.11) 2662.5858 2250 LES_int_01 2662.5858 What's your take on that? I guess, [personally?] 2664.3551 2251 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2664.2437 [I mean] they all look nice, but I would love to be able to afford to live in them, but I- I can't, [so.] 2669.7206 2252 LES_int_01 2669.4572 [Yeah. Yeah.] 2670.1859 2253 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2670.0455 [I mean, I'm-] 2670.6425 2254 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2670.8995 I'm happy to see that. 2671.9971 2255 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2671.9971 (pause 0.51) 2672.5048 2256 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2672.5048 Again, but that 2673.5234 2257 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2673.5234 (pause 0.14) 2673.6595 2258 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2673.6595 involves, you know, people that can afford that, eventually, it's gonna overtake all- it's gonna wipe everybody out eventually. 2679.8492 2259 LES_int_01 2679.8492 Right, right. 2680.5736 2260 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2680.5736 Um. So, those people that 2682.2156 2261 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2683.7331 can't afford to live in those 2685.0370 2262 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2685.0370 (pause 0.48) 2685.5155 2263 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2685.5155 types of housing developments 2687.0478 2264 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2687.0478 (pause 0.50) 2687.5526 2265 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2687.5526 um. 2688.1761 2266 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2688.1761 (pause 0.52) 2688.6985 2267 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2688.6985 will be 2690.0009 2268 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2690.0009 (pause 0.21) 2690.2072 2269 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2690.2072 you know, pushed out of the neighborhood. 2691.8843 2270 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2691.8843 (pause 0.13) 2692.0160 2271 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2692.0160 [And eventually,] it's- it's we- it's not even gonna be like the 2695.3599 2272 LES_int_01 2692.0160 [Yeah.] 2692.4287 2273 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2695.5575 well, not gonna be the Lower East Side that I knew. 2697.4892 2274 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2697.4892 (pause 0.25) 2697.7438 2275 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2697.7438 I knew. 2698.2136 2276 LES_int_01 2698.3497 [Yeah.] 2698.7604 2277 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2698.6000 [You] know, it's not gonna be that. 2699.7239 2278 LES_int_01 2699.9170 Yeah. 2700.3464 2279 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2700.3648 Uh. They'll be people living here, and it will be just a boundary now, it'll be just a name. 2704.3760 2280 LES_int_01 2704.6482 [Right.] 2704.9907 2281 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2704.8678 [It] won't be, it won't have that 2706.3473 2282 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2706.4834 same 2707.0658 2283 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2707.0658 (pause 0.53) 2707.5970 2284 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2707.5970 feeling, you know. Of- of 2709.1512 2285 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2709.1512 (pause 0.28) 2709.4277 2286 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2709.4277 people together, that togetherness. It won't have that. 2711.6317 2287 LES_int_01 2711.7809 [Yeah.] 2712.1916 2288 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2711.8205 [Doesn't have] that now, 2712.9253 2289 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2713.0131 [so.] 2713.2985 2290 LES_int_01 2713.2194 [Yeah. 2713.5970 2291 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2713.8176 And that's what's gonna happen. 2714.9547 2292 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2714.9547 (pause 0.71) 2715.6615 2293 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2715.6615 [Basically.] 2716.4342 2294 LES_int_01 2715.7625 [There's um.] 2716.7547 2295 LES_int_01 2717.1323 There- there's a site. I'm not sure if you've seen it since I know you don't live around here right now, but, [um,] it's been 2723.4045 2296 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2722.2323 [Mkay.] 2722.5484 2297 LES_int_01 2723.7513 a parking lot for about forty years. So, you may have seen it. Just south of Delancey Street. 2728.4123 2298 LES_int_01 2728.4123 (pause 0.65) 2729.0621 2299 LES_int_01 2729.0621 By the Williamsburg Bridge. 2730.3835 2300 LES_int_01 2730.3835 (pause 0.65) 2731.0362 2301 LES_int_01 2731.0362 Just [where the Williamsburg Bridge] 2733.0030 2302 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2731.1942 [South of Delancey Street.] 2732.8625 2303 LES_int_01 2733.3191 [starts.] 2734.0874 2304 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2733.7362 [Wha-] Now, what's the cross street then? 2735.0269 2305 LES_int_01 2735.2120 Uh. Clinton, 2736.0023 2306 LES_int_01 2736.0023 (pause 0.39) 2736.3930 2307 LES_int_01 2736.3930 like Clinton and Delancey. 2737.8681 2308 LES_int_01 2737.8681 (pause 0.82) 2738.6891 2309 LES_int_01 2738.6891 And it's right at the entrance of the Williamsburg Bridge. There's a big area of [parking lots.] 2743.0076 2310 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2742.1867 [Okay. I think,] alright, [alright.] 2743.8725 2311 LES_int_01 2743.5125 [Does] that sound familiar? 2744.6233 2312 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2744.9346 I think I know where that is. 2746.1770 2313 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2746.1770 (pause 0.21) 2746.3834 2314 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2746.3834 Yeah. 2746.7082 2315 LES_int_01 2746.8619 [One of the group] 2747.5556 2316 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2747.1736 [Because] it's a Rite Aid right down the block. 2749.0044 2317 LES_int_01 2748.9956 Yeah! Exactly. Exactly right there. 2750.6595 2318 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2750.6595 Alright. 2750.9624 2319 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2751.3341 [Okay.] 2751.6765 2320 LES_int_01 2751.3341 [One of the] groups that I work with is- is really interested in getting that land developed. So, I ask everyone that I interview 2756.9712 2321 LES_int_01 2757.1497 [Um.] 2757.8302 2322 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2757.3034 [Mm.] 2757.5448 2323 LES_int_01 2758.1068 Like, what their personal opinion is, because i- if you've seen it, 2761.3775 2324 LES_int_01 2761.3775 (pause 0.13) 2761.5049 2325 LES_int_01 2761.5049 it's- it's actually 2762.4883 2326 LES_int_01 2762.4883 (pause 0.16) 2762.6507 2327 LES_int_01 2762.6507 the biggest plot of land south of Ninety-Sixth Street 2766.0561 2328 LES_int_01 2766.0561 (pause 0.44) 2766.4995 2329 LES_int_01 2766.4995 that's undeveloped. And, it's owned by the city. 2768.2600 2330 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2768.9346 [Mm.] 2769.2375 2331 LES_int_01 2768.9521 [And] so, it's- 2769.6721 2332 LES_int_01 2769.7687 it's a big space. And, so I ask everybody that I interview 2772.7058 2333 LES_int_01 2772.7058 (pause 0.57) 2773.2722 2334 LES_int_01 2773.2722 um, 2774.0097 2335 LES_int_01 2774.0097 (pause 0.21) 2774.2205 2336 LES_int_01 2774.2205 like, if it were up to you, 2775.4431 2337 LES_int_01 2775.4431 (pause 0.29) 2775.7373 2338 LES_int_01 2775.7373 what do you think 2776.3783 2339 LES_int_01 2776.3783 (pause 0.29) 2776.6680 2340 LES_int_01 2776.6680 should get built there? Like what do you think the community could use or needs? 2780.4107 2341 LES_int_01 2780.4107 (pause 1.15) 2781.5566 2342 LES_int_01 2781.5566 What would [you put] there? 2782.3436 2343 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2781.9177 [Well.] 2782.1153 2344 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2784.5519 I'd like to see some 2785.3494 2345 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2785.3494 (pause 1.43) 2786.7762 2346 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2786.7762 low income housing there. 2788.2338 2347 LES_int_01 2788.2338 Yeah. 2788.5148 2348 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2788.8221 And- and- 2789.3402 2349 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2789.3402 (pause 0.14) 2789.4850 2350 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2789.4850 and some more 2790.9131 2351 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2790.9131 (pause 0.11) 2791.0187 2352 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2791.0187 like community center type thing going on there. I think we don't have enough of that. 2794.2177 2353 LES_int_01 2794.3626 Right. 2794.6963 2354 LES_int_01 2794.6963 (pause 0.09) 2794.7884 2355 LES_int_01 2794.7884 [Like a Henry Street Settlement?] 2796.0946 2356 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2794.8806 [I think it's yeah. Mm.] Yeah, like to see some of that go in there. 2797.5785 2357 LES_int_01 2797.5785 [Okay.] 2798.0291 2358 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2797.8876 [A] place where kids could go. 2798.9467 2359 LES_int_01 2799.2189 Yeah. 2799.5570 2360 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2799.8994 Kids got no where to go now. 2800.9180 2361 LES_int_01 2801.4053 Yeah. 2801.7082 2362 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2801.8092 They got no where to go. 2802.6477 2363 LES_int_01 2802.9682 Okay. 2803.2624 2364 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2803.4029 And I- I- I mean, I honestly me- I don't know everything now, cause, like I say, I don't live here anymore, [but.] 2807.5747 2365 LES_int_01 2807.4430 [Yeah.] 2807.8118 2366 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2809.3088 They got no where to go. 2810.1298 2367 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2810.1298 (pause 1.22) 2811.3503 2368 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2811.3503 Kids got nothing to do. 2812.3293 2369 LES_int_01 2812.6966 Yeah. 2813.0215 2370 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2813.3551 We played in the street, we did all kind of things. 2815.3747 2371 LES_int_01 2817.0430 [What di- what's your sense] of what kids are doing now? 2819.1839 2372 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2817.2230 [Um.] 2817.5742 2373 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2819.3551 I don't know what the hell they're doing right now. 2821.1332 2374 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2821.1332 (pause 0.19) 2821.3264 2375 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2821.3264 Some of them. 2821.8225 2376 LES_int_01 2822.0903 [Hang on the street corner.] 2823.2888 2377 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2822.1869 [I know my ki- i- my-] my- well, my kids are old, so. 2824.6981 2378 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2826.0444 But, 2826.3956 2379 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2826.3956 (pause 2.58) 2828.9771 2380 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2828.9771 unless you- 2830.0967 2381 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2830.0967 (pause 1.06) 2831.1576 2382 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2831.1576 I got- let's say, my parents- 2832.5581 2383 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2832.5581 (pause 1.69) 2834.2484 2384 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2834.2484 they didn't- 2834.5337 2385 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2834.5337 (pause 0.19) 2834.7269 2386 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2834.7269 we weren't as close as I am with my kids now. 2836.7728 2387 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2836.7728 (pause 0.08) 2836.8503 2388 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2836.8503 Put it that way. 2837.3595 2389 LES_int_01 2837.5132 Yeah. 2837.7942 2390 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2837.7942 Or my kids when I- when the- when they were growing up. 2839.6293 2391 LES_int_01 2839.7830 Yeah. 2840.1386 2392 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2840.5864 It was a little different. Parents were parents, kids were kids. You stayed in your place. 2843.7108 2393 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2843.7108 (pause 0.34) 2844.0532 2394 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2844.0532 It was none of that. 2844.6678 2395 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2844.6678 (pause 0.44) 2845.1113 2396 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2845.1113 But, 2845.5635 2397 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2845.5635 (pause 0.35) 2845.9147 2398 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2845.9147 because of that wasn't- that, you know, we didn't have that 2848.6059 2399 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2848.6059 (pause 0.92) 2849.5308 2400 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2849.5308 bond 2850.1586 2401 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2850.1586 (pause 0.24) 2850.4000 2402 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2850.4000 that maybe I have with my kids [now.] 2852.1913 2403 LES_int_01 2851.8005 [Yeah.] 2852.1913 2404 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2853.1088 There were still other things for us to do. 2854.4611 2405 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2854.4611 (pause 0.91) 2855.3683 2406 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2855.3683 I bond with- th- I- with my 2856.6986 2407 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2856.6986 (pause 0.26) 2856.9576 2408 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2856.9576 kids growing up, we 2858.0464 2409 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2858.0464 (pause 0.16) 2858.2088 2410 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2858.2088 play together. 2858.8498 2411 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2858.8498 (pause 0.26) 2859.1132 2412 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2859.1132 You know, we did things together. 2860.2811 2413 LES_int_01 2860.2811 Yeah, yeah. 2861.0786 2414 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2861.0917 So 2861.6361 2415 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2861.6361 (pause 1.87) 2863.5064 2416 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2863.5064 I didn't do that, growing up. 2864.5864 2417 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2864.5864 (pause 0.23) 2864.8191 2418 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2864.8191 you know we didn't, you know, like I said, they went to work, you went to school, and 2868.3517 2419 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2868.3517 (pause 0.50) 2868.8566 2420 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2868.8566 you did what we told you, and that was it, so. 2870.8454 2421 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2870.8454 (pause 0.10) 2870.9420 2422 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2870.9420 Well, our- our alternative, would be now to go to these places. 2874.3913 2423 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2874.3913 (pause 0.61) 2874.9971 2424 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2874.9971 You know what I'm saying? 2875.7040 2425 LES_int_01 2875.8401 Yeah. 2876.2308 2426 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2876.4723 So, we had that. 2877.2493 2427 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2877.2493 (pause 0.61) 2877.8640 2428 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2877.8640 So, without that now, what are the kids gonna do? If- if I- I- like I say, I'm not saying I'm an exception, 2883.4864 2429 LES_int_01 2883.7323 [Yeah.] 2883.9227 2430 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2883.7630 [But,] I'm close with my kids, you know what I'm saying? And we- we 2886.4910 2431 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2886.7017 create things to do 2887.9178 2432 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2887.9178 (pause 0.38) 2888.3027 2433 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2888.3027 and stuff like [that.] 2889.2422 2434 LES_int_01 2889.1456 [Yeah.] 2889.5056 2435 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2890.0193 So, if [without that,] 2891.5822 2436 LES_int_01 2890.6778 [Are you still close to your] kids? [Do they live in the city?] 2892.8071 2437 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2892.0607 [Yeah, exactly. Yeah.] 2893.0661 2438 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2893.2988 Yeah. 2893.6237 2439 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2893.6237 (pause 0.48) 2894.1038 2440 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2894.1038 My- [my.] 2894.7712 2441 LES_int_01 2894.2767 [Kids still live] with you? 2895.2338 2442 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2895.2234 No, well, my- 2895.8292 2443 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2895.9521 my- 2896.2463 2444 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2896.2463 (pause 0.19) 2896.4351 2445 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2896.4351 they both live in the Bronx, they all- they're all [in the Bronx,] you know. 2898.8360 2446 LES_int_01 2897.7735 [Oh, cool.] 2898.4672 2447 LES_int_01 2899.3277 Is that one reason [why /you moved up/?] 2901.2375 2448 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2899.9818 [Well, they lived in Manhattan too.] Then they ha- you know, they couldn't afford to live here, so that's where they could afford to live, and that's where they live now. 2906.0152 2449 LES_int_01 2906.1639 Yeah. 2906.5371 2450 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2906.9015 So, 2907.4502 2451 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2907.4502 (pause 0.25) 2907.7005 2452 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2907.7005 you could see that whole thing happening, but. 2909.2431 2453 LES_int_01 2909.4319 Yeah. 2909.8182 2454 LES_int_01 2909.8182 (pause 0.92) 2910.7402 2455 LES_int_01 2910.7402 [So,] community center you think's a 2913.0489 2456 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2910.7753 [Um.] 2911.1573 2457 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2913.2289 Yeah, [something for the] 2914.2024 2458 LES_int_01 2913.4192 [would be a good thing for the neighborhood.] 2914.9474 2459 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2914.3605 [k- you can get people] together. You know, what I'm saying. And- and- and have things for them to do. Cause I don't know what the kids are doing now. 2919.6354 2460 LES_int_01 2919.6354 Yeah. 2919.9954 2461 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2920.3027 And- and- and- and I 2921.5276 2462 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2921.5276 (pause 0.11) 2921.6379 2463 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2921.6379 that's- I think that 2922.5822 2464 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2922.5822 (pause 0.27) 2922.8544 2465 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2922.8544 you know, doesn't help 2923.9081 2466 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2923.9081 (pause 0.10) 2924.0047 2467 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2924.0047 the crime situation, because when you don't got nothing to do, 2926.4034 2468 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2926.4034 (pause 0.50) 2926.9083 2469 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2926.9083 you tend to do 2927.6727 2470 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2927.6727 (pause 0.13) 2927.8044 2471 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2927.8044 silly things, [you know.] 2928.9948 2472 LES_int_01 2928.6210 [Yes.] 2929.1391 2473 LES_int_01 2929.3021 [Yeah.] 2929.6835 2474 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2929.4513 [You got] nothing to do 2930.2849 2475 LES_int_01 2930.4518 Right. 2930.8820 2476 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2931.1015 and you got nobody teaching you what you should be doing. 2933.3527 2477 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2933.3527 (pause 0.36) 2933.7171 2478 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2933.7171 If you're not close with your parents, and you got no where to go, you're just gonna be running around 2937.2524 2479 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2937.2524 (pause 0.74) 2937.9943 2480 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2937.9943 doing [crazy stuff.] Yeah, yeah, exactly. [Pretty much,] so. 2940.6900 2481 LES_int_01 2938.3938 [Getting into trouble.] 2939.2236 2482 LES_int_01 2939.2236 (pause 0.51) 2939.7373 2483 LES_int_01 2939.7373 [Right.] 2940.0841 2484 LES_int_01 2941.0854 And you said low income housing 2942.9074 2485 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2943.1533 Yeah. 2943.5440 2486 LES_int_01 2943.1752 [/inaudible/ is in need of that too.] 2944.7469 2487 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2943.9347 [You could say, I mean,] it's a lot of homeless people too, you know, it's a lot of. I mean, I'm- 2947.4338 2488 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2948.9601 There's a lot of that going on. And I think there's a lot of money out here, 2951.9499 2489 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2951.9499 (pause 0.25) 2952.2001 2490 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2952.2001 if we can afford to give sev- e- seven hundred mill- billion dollars to these things, 2955.8759 2491 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2955.8759 (pause 0.46) 2956.3324 2492 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2956.3324 give a billion to l- 2957.1710 2493 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2957.1710 (pause 0.22) 2957.3905 2494 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2957.3905 in- to- for these communities to do something. [You know what I'm saying?] 2960.0894 2495 LES_int_01 2959.2728 [Yeah.] 2959.8962 2496 LES_int_01 2960.2914 [Yeah.] 2960.6338 2497 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2960.4450 [It] wouldn't take that much to do that. 2962.4514 2498 LES_int_01 2962.7042 Right. 2963.1564 2499 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2963.4681 You know, but obviously, there's no money in that, so they don't do that. 2965.8761 2500 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2965.8761 (pause 0.14) 2966.0210 2501 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2966.0210 You know what I'm saying, so. 2967.1801 2502 LES_int_01 2967.2591 Right. 2967.6103 2503 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2967.9396 And that's why that's not happening. 2969.0734 2504 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2969.0734 (pause 0.40) 2969.4729 2505 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2969.4729 But, I think that should happen. 2970.7768 2506 LES_int_01 2970.9436 Yeah. 2971.2592 2507 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2971.2592 At some point, somebody should stop and say, hey, what about the 2973.8626 2508 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2974.4772 common guy, the regular guy? 2975.9803 2509 LES_int_01 2975.9803 Yeah. 2976.3404 2510 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2976.4282 You know, who's money we're taking in taxes every week. 2978.4696 2511 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2978.4696 (pause 0.10) 2978.5662 2512 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2978.5662 You know what I'm saying? [Well you know.] 2980.1291 2513 LES_int_01 2979.4941 [Yeah.] 2979.9305 2514 LES_int_01 2980.9852 Um. 2981.5461 2515 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2981.5461 Did we [forget about him?] 2982.5646 2516 LES_int_01 2981.9148 [Do y-] 2982.2924 2517 LES_int_01 2982.5646 Do you have a take on- on like the height of buildings that get built in the neighborhood? 2986.9330 2518 LES_int_01 2986.9330 (pause 0.43) 2987.3676 2519 LES_int_01 2987.3676 Is that something that you [think] 2988.8482 2520 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2988.7604 [No, never really.] 2989.5989 2521 LES_int_01 2989.0414 [should be restricted?] 2990.0863 2522 LES_int_01 2990.7536 Oh- [some people do.] 2991.8232 2523 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2991.3080 [No.] 2991.8129 2524 LES_int_01 2991.9022 It's like [a big issue.] 2992.9032 2525 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2992.1378 I mean. 2992.5241 2526 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2993.9349 I n- doesn't matter to me. 2995.3200 2527 LES_int_01 2995.3200 Doesn't matter [to you.] 2996.2771 2528 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2995.9390 [No.] 2996.2639 2529 LES_int_01 2996.5493 Th- like the- like some of the buildings that kind of stick out of the tenements or [something?] 3000.2728 2530 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 2999.9786 [/?/ Nah, that doesn't bother me.] 3001.3489 2531 LES_int_01 3000.4835 [Doesn't bother you.] 3001.0455 2532 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3001.4894 No. 3001.7704 2533 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3001.7704 (pause 0.21) 3001.9767 2534 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3001.9767 That doesn't bother me at all. 3003.0085 2535 LES_int_01 3003.2324 Okay. 3003.4650 2536 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3003.4650 I mean, I'm ev- 3004.0665 2537 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3004.5149 I mean, if you go I was down in Georgia not too long ago, 3007.3466 2538 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3007.3466 (pause 0.37) 3007.7198 2539 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3007.7198 and you don't see any tall buildings down there. [You know,] that would 3009.9879 2540 LES_int_01 3009.3088 [Right.] 3009.6181 2541 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3010.1152 Then you would see a giant building like that, and wou- that would maybe 3012.7477 2542 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3012.7477 (pause 0.61) 3013.3571 2543 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3013.3571 you know, stick out [like a sore] thumb, but. 3015.2142 2544 LES_int_01 3013.8049 [Stick out.] 3014.4986 2545 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3015.3898 And here, I'm used to. Wherever you go, you see tall buildings, [so that] wouldn't 3018.2567 2546 LES_int_01 3017.7271 [Right.] 3018.1218 2547 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3018.4279 it's not an issue for me. 3019.2637 2548 LES_int_01 3019.3866 Right, right. 3020.0363 2549 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3020.1241 At all. 3020.5061 2550 LES_int_01 3020.9336 Um. 3021.4279 2551 LES_int_01 3021.4279 (pause 0.37) 3021.7963 2552 LES_int_01 3021.7963 Do you think that, cause there's a lot of new people moving into the neighborhood. Do you think that it's important for them to know about the history of the Lower East Side? 3030.2591 2553 LES_int_01 3030.2591 (pause 0.51) 3030.7734 2554 LES_int_01 3030.7734 From the time that you lived there, or even before [what.] 3033.3240 2555 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3032.9650 [I would] think 3033.8449 2556 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3034.0454 you sh- a requirement would be before you moved here, you should read a book that would explain the whole thing. 3038.9974 2557 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3038.9974 (pause 0.36) 3039.3611 2558 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3039.3611 [And] 3040.0094 2559 LES_int_01 3039.8154 [Yeah, because it's 3041.0418 2560 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3040.1806 [the importance of] what happened here [early on.] 3042.9209 2561 LES_int_01 3041.9557 [it's such a fascinating 3043.6157 2562 LES_int_01 3044.0874 neighborhood. And it has such a long history. 3046.1858 2563 LES_int_01 3046.1858 (pause 0.22) 3046.4049 2564 LES_int_01 3046.4049 And there's so many groups that have come and come here and [immigrated and lived here. All that kind of stuff.] 3052.0253 2565 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3049.8524 [Yeah. Exactly, exactly.] 3051.2373 2566 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3051.2373 (pause 0.14) 3051.3772 2567 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3051.3772 [Exactly.] 3051.9974 2568 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3052.2678 And I think cause people, you just moving here, I'm just moving here I- just cause I'm so I can be close to where I work in Midtown. 3057.6988 2569 LES_int_01 3057.9366 Right. 3058.1184 2570 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3058.1184 And that's the only reason you m- you live here. 3060.4722 2571 LES_int_01 3060.5934 [Yeah.] 3060.9504 2572 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3060.8639 [And] maybe I got a good deal on an apartment, or [something] like that, and you know. 3064.8499 2573 LES_int_01 3063.4044 [Right.] 3063.7426 2574 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3065.1437 I think 3065.6100 2575 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3065.6100 (pause 0.50) 3066.1089 2576 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3066.1089 i- i- that 3066.6301 2577 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3066.6301 (pause 0.15) 3066.7793 2578 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3066.7793 and that wouldn't just hold true for the Lower East Side. That should hold true for- 3069.4920 2579 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3069.4920 (pause 0.29) 3069.7811 2580 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3069.7811 for any neighborhood. 3070.5690 2581 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3070.5690 (pause 0.17) 3070.7369 2582 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3070.7369 You know. 3071.0959 2583 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3071.0959 (pause 0.68) 3071.7720 2584 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3071.7720 You know. 3072.1124 2585 LES_int_01 3072.1124 Learning a [little bit about the place where you live.] 3074.3273 2586 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3072.6113 [Yeah. Exactly.] 3074.2574 2587 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3074.3599 Exactly. You know. 3075.3298 2588 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3075.3298 (pause 0.21) 3075.5350 2589 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3075.5350 And, but there's definitely a lot of history here on the Lower East Side, [obviously.] 3078.2900 2590 LES_int_01 3077.7258 [There is.] And I- and a lot of it is a history of 3080.7474 2591 LES_int_01 3080.8406 people kind of coming here to start 3082.9356 2592 LES_int_01 3082.9356 (pause 0.23) 3083.1641 2593 LES_int_01 3083.1641 over, [start fresh.] 3084.7316 2594 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3083.6952 [Right. Right. Exactly.] 3084.9274 2595 LES_int_01 3085.1420 And it sounds like maybe your parents even felt- 3087.0631 2596 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3087.8418 And I think that was one of the reasons why they mo- 3089.5424 2597 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3089.5424 (pause 1.15) 3090.6941 2598 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3090.6941 why they moved here. Because you know, they lived in the Harlem, which was not that far away. Still in Manhattan. 3094.3838 2599 LES_int_01 3094.5937 Yeah. 3094.9014 2600 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3095.2465 Where you figured this would be a whole nother thing. A nicer place for the kids to grow [up, you know.] 3099.2838 2601 LES_int_01 3098.9061 [Yeah.] 3099.4372 2602 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3099.7361 And that kind of thing that could, you know. 3101.4220 2603 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3101.4220 (pause 0.20) 3101.6179 2604 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3101.6179 See another side of what's happening, [you know.] 3103.6509 2605 LES_int_01 3103.3618 [Right.] 3103.8747 2606 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3103.9214 That's probably was one of, some of their 3105.8891 2607 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3105.8891 (pause 0.22) 3106.1083 2608 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3106.1083 reasoning as to why we should 3107.6901 2609 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3107.6901 (pause 0.42) 3108.1056 2610 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3108.1056 you know, 3108.4460 2611 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3108.4460 (pause 0.19) 3108.6365 2612 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3108.6365 move here. 3109.1662 2613 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3109.1662 (pause 0.12) 3109.2847 2614 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3109.2847 [And.] 3109.4712 2615 LES_int_01 3109.2847 [Yeah.] 3109.6297 2616 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3109.9235 [I don't know.] 3110.4131 2617 LES_int_01 3109.9235 [Do you think that] 3110.5716 2618 LES_int_01 3110.7069 this is a neighborhood where 3111.7929 2619 LES_int_01 3111.7929 (pause 0.50) 3112.2965 2620 LES_int_01 3112.2965 people can still do that? 3113.3690 2621 LES_int_01 3113.3690 (pause 0.13) 3113.4949 2622 LES_int_01 3113.4949 Come here to sort of start 3114.5944 2623 LES_int_01 3114.5944 (pause 0.56) 3115.1539 2624 LES_int_01 3115.1539 over, start fresh, [build a new] life? 3117.1410 2625 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3116.2824 [I.] 3116.6601 2626 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3117.7149 I don't look at it like that now. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't- it doesn't 3120.9183 2627 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3120.9183 (pause 0.62) 3121.5431 2628 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3121.5431 ha- you know doesn't look like it has that same effect. [You know, it doesn't] 3124.7148 2629 LES_int_01 3124.0293 [Yeah.] 3124.6534 2630 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3125.8432 look like that's what you come here for. Is you come here, Lower East Side because it's close to Midtown and I work there. You know [what I'm saying, or.] 3132.1268 2631 LES_int_01 3131.2922 [Yeah.] 3131.9077 2632 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3132.4066 [I mean,] you see businesses starting up, you see little things going on. 3135.9083 2633 LES_int_01 3132.4066 [Yeah.] 3132.7390 2634 LES_int_01 3136.0482 Yeah. 3136.4197 2635 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3136.4772 Um. 3137.0134 2636 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3137.0134 (pause 0.79) 3137.8061 2637 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3137.8061 But, it's a lot of housing things go- 3139.3064 2638 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3139.3064 (pause 0.20) 3139.5022 2639 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3139.5022 built 3139.7680 2640 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3139.7680 (pause 0.37) 3140.1364 2641 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3140.1364 you know, 3140.4441 2642 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3140.4441 (pause 0.25) 3140.6959 2643 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3140.6959 that- that was down here. You don't see businesses down here. Obviously, it's just 3143.8107 2644 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3143.8107 (pause 0.13) 3143.9413 2645 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3143.9413 [but people] reside here. 3145.2131 2646 LES_int_01 3143.9413 [Yeah.] 3144.2910 2647 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3145.8100 And, 3146.1271 2648 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3146.1271 (pause 0.32) 3146.4488 2649 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3146.4488 l- most of the housing being built here is not for the people that 3149.8107 2650 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3149.8107 (pause 0.35) 3150.1605 2651 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3150.1605 kind of, you know, started living here. 3152.0795 2652 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3152.0795 (pause 0.17) 3152.2474 2653 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3152.2474 way back then, [so.] 3153.5110 2654 LES_int_01 3153.0774 [Right.] 3153.5110 2655 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3154.1592 Um. 3154.6255 2656 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3154.6255 (pause 0.30) 3154.9286 2657 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3154.9286 It's not the same. 3155.7571 2658 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3155.7571 (pause 0.21) 3155.9716 2659 LES_se0_ag3_m_02 3155.9716 [You know, it's-] it's just not the same. 3157.8647 2660 LES_int_01 3155.9716 [Right, right.] 3156.6617