Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 LES_int_01 0.8188 Okay. 1.1980 2 LES_int_01 1.1980 (pause 0.37) 1.5712 3 LES_int_01 1.5712 So, its, um, 2.9454 4 LES_int_01 2.9454 (pause 0.52) 3.4634 5 LES_int_01 3.4634 Thursday, December fourth, 5.0747 6 LES_int_01 5.0747 (pause 0.94) 6.0098 7 LES_int_01 6.0098 And I'm /RD-NAME-4/, and I'm talking to /RD-NAME-5/. 9.0156 8 LES_int_01 9.0156 (pause 0.83) 9.8454 9 LES_int_01 9.8454 And /RD-NAME-2/, uh, you said you, w- you had something you wanted to start 12.5586 10 LES_int_01 12.5586 (pause 0.42) 12.9800 11 LES_int_01 12.9800 off with by saying. 13.9371 12 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 15.0087 Many people have asked me 16.5234 13 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 16.5234 (pause 0.22) 16.7385 14 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 16.7385 through the years 17.5595 15 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 17.5595 (pause 0.66) 18.2190 16 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 18.2190 /RD-NAME-2/, 18.6931 17 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 18.6931 (pause 0.61) 19.3034 18 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 19.3034 why do you live on the Lower East Side? 21.2351 19 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 21.2351 (pause 2.58) 23.8166 20 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 23.8166 What is 25.2726 21 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 25.2726 (pause 0.57) 25.8390 22 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 25.8390 holding you here? 26.7083 23 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 26.7083 (pause 0.66) 27.3712 24 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 27.3712 Because originally, 28.3634 25 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 28.3634 (pause 1.15) 29.5093 26 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 29.5093 you came from Harlem, 30.5263 27 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 30.5263 (pause 1.32) 31.8434 28 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 31.8434 where you spent thirty-six years of your life. 33.6346 29 LES_int_01 34.0341 You were born in Harlem? 35.2063 30 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 35.2063 I was born and raised in Harlem. 36.7546 31 LES_int_01 37.1146 May I ask in what year? 38.2023 32 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 38.6150 No. 38.9794 33 LES_int_01 39.2237 [] 40.3169 34 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 40.1018 [But.] 40.4881 35 LES_int_01 41.0984 [What] decade? 42.1872 36 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 41.2125 [This] 41.6032 37 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 42.5735 But. 43.0740 38 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 43.0740 (pause 0.51) 43.5877 39 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 43.5877 This 44.4086 40 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 44.4086 (pause 1.00) 45.4096 41 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 45.4096 little piece that I'm about to give you, 47.2081 42 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 47.2081 (pause 0.33) 47.5374 43 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 47.5374 will give you an [indication] 48.7623 44 LES_int_01 48.4681 [Hm.] 48.7623 45 LES_int_01 48.9203 Mkay. 49.2013 46 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 49.3506 of all of that. 50.0443 47 LES_int_01 50.2901 Okay. 50.6018 48 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 51.0935 See, I tell- I answer people, I live on the Lower East Side because I realized it's a very special place. 56.2374 49 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 56.2374 (pause 0.62) 56.8608 50 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 56.8608 And what makes it so special is that is has lessons for its residents to learn. 60.8589 51 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 60.8589 (pause 0.47) 61.3286 52 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 61.3286 Providing they're paying attention 62.7643 53 LES_int_01 63.0496 Mm-hm. 63.4799 54 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 63.6291 and able to absorb 64.8020 55 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 64.8020 (pause 1.29) 66.0884 56 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 66.0884 what the- 66.7250 57 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 66.7250 (pause 0.16) 66.8874 58 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 66.8874 this special neighborhood 67.9982 59 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 67.9982 (pause 0.81) 68.8060 60 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 68.8060 has to give them. 69.5962 61 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 69.5962 (pause 1.25) 70.8474 62 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 70.8474 And 71.4386 63 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 71.4386 (pause 0.52) 71.9611 64 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 71.9611 see, we are people of doers. We're always doing, doing, doing, and we never stop to think, how do we get from point A to point B? 78.0806 65 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 78.0806 (pause 0.94) 79.0245 66 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 79.0245 Well, now I'm'a take you on a journey. 80.5122 67 LES_int_01 80.7317 Mkay. 81.1883 68 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 81.6449 And my journey is that 82.9137 69 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 82.9137 (pause 0.90) 83.8181 70 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 83.8181 many years ago, 84.8673 71 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 84.8673 (pause 0.49) 85.3591 72 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 85.3591 about twenty-four, 86.3469 73 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 86.3469 (pause 1.46) 87.8088 74 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 87.8088 I was an African American woman 89.4248 75 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 89.4248 (pause 0.51) 89.9341 76 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 89.9341 living 90.4522 77 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 90.4522 (pause 0.49) 90.9439 78 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 90.9439 in Harlem. 91.5102 79 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 91.5102 (pause 0.92) 92.4350 80 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 92.4350 A mother, a single parent, 93.6599 81 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 93.6599 (pause 0.15) 93.8136 82 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 93.8136 of two 94.5029 83 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 94.5029 (pause 0.59) 95.0956 84 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 95.0956 young men. 95.7190 85 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 95.7190 (pause 1.38) 97.0975 86 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 97.0975 Eight 97.3126 87 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 97.3126 (pause 0.32) 97.6375 88 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 97.6375 and 97.8527 89 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 97.8527 (pause 0.29) 98.1468 90 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 98.1468 ten. 98.5228 91 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 98.5228 (pause 1.74) 100.2658 92 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 100.2658 or maybe seven and six. I don't remember. 102.2282 93 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 102.2282 (pause 0.10) 102.3292 94 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 102.3292 Anyway. 102.8297 95 LES_int_01 103.0097 Mm-hm. 103.4268 96 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 103.8966 Uh. 104.2858 97 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 104.2858 (pause 0.13) 104.4175 98 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 104.4175 One of them is neurologically disabled 106.4238 99 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 106.4238 (pause 0.67) 107.0912 100 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 107.0912 he doesn't speak, he's suffering from autism and retardation. 110.3136 101 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 110.3136 (pause 0.57) 110.8872 102 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 110.8872 And the other one was so called, normal. 112.3404 103 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 112.3404 (pause 0.34) 112.6785 104 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 112.6785 Pain in the ass. 113.2799 105 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 113.2799 (pause 0.54) 113.8243 106 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 113.8243 [Anyway.] 114.4961 107 LES_int_01 113.9648 [] 115.0712 108 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 115.4707 Anyway. 115.9361 109 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 115.9361 (pause 0.10) 116.0370 110 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 116.0370 Uh. 116.4175 111 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 116.4175 (pause 1.15) 117.5677 112 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 117.5677 And I thought my life was pretty good. 119.2580 113 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 119.2580 (pause 0.37) 119.6268 114 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 119.6268 I mean, I was in college, at /RD-SCHOOL-2/, 121.4619 115 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 121.4619 (pause 0.99) 122.4526 116 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 122.4526 I was ha- a- I had my boys in school, 124.8365 117 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 124.8365 (pause 0.98) 125.8199 118 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 125.8199 I had my grants all lined up, and everything was fine. I was doing well in school too. 129.6468 119 LES_int_01 129.7653 Mm-hm. 130.1209 120 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 131.1790 Til one day, uh, 132.5663 121 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 132.5663 (pause 1.04) 133.6024 122 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 133.6024 I realized that 134.7380 123 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 134.7380 (pause 0.50) 135.2385 124 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 135.2385 some junkies had moved into my building 137.1702 125 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 137.1702 (pause 0.17) 137.3414 126 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 137.3414 in Harlem. 137.8507 127 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 137.8507 (pause 1.14) 138.9922 128 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 138.9922 And uh. 139.5585 129 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 139.5585 (pause 0.15) 139.7122 130 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 139.7122 They weren't your average junkies, they were very social. 142.2614 131 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 142.2614 (pause 0.81) 143.0736 132 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 143.0736 Next thing I knew, that they had robbed my apartment and took everything out of it. 146.3488 133 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 146.3488 (pause 0.90) 147.2472 134 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 147.2472 And they came in from the ceiling. 148.6434 135 LES_int_01 149.8024 From the ceiling? 150.5356 136 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 150.6278 From the ceiling. 151.4286 137 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 151.4286 (pause 0.17) 151.5998 138 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 151.5998 And 151.9423 139 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 151.9423 (pause 0.12) 152.0608 140 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 152.0608 the cops came to my house, and said this was the fist burglary 154.8480 141 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 154.8480 (pause 0.48) 155.3310 142 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 155.3310 of this nature, where they could look up and see a hole. 157.3286 143 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 157.3286 (pause 1.91) 159.2368 144 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 159.2368 And at that time, I di- wasn't wise enough to know the hold the landlord accountable. 163.2349 145 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 163.2349 (pause 0.80) 164.0339 146 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 164.0339 And. 164.7495 147 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 164.7495 (pause 1.94) 166.6929 148 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 166.6929 T- keep the police involved 168.6817 149 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 168.6817 (pause 0.64) 169.3227 150 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 169.3227 and get what I could to stay in school. 171.2588 151 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 171.2588 (pause 0.11) 171.3642 152 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 171.3642 [Of course, I] had to drop out because I had to stay home 173.8914 153 LES_int_01 171.3766 [Right.] 171.7193 154 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 174.1724 to make sure the hole in my ceiling got fixed. 176.4554 155 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 176.4554 (pause 2.56) 179.0134 156 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 179.0134 And then, 179.6368 157 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 179.6368 (pause 0.36) 179.9968 158 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 179.9968 to make matters worse, 181.1339 159 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 181.1339 (pause 0.45) 181.5817 160 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 181.5817 there was a fire. 182.4905 161 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 182.4905 (pause 1.03) 183.5178 162 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 183.5178 Because of the 184.3724 163 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 184.3724 (pause 0.09) 184.4602 164 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 184.4602 junkies had owed the man 185.8519 165 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 185.8519 (pause 0.76) 186.6114 166 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 186.6114 and she was um, 187.5071 167 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 187.5071 (pause 1.09) 188.6002 168 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 188.6002 receiving her product from- for sale 190.5304 169 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 190.5304 (pause 1.53) 192.0583 170 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 192.0583 some money 192.6246 171 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 192.6246 (pause 0.28) 192.9012 172 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 192.9012 and he told her, he was gonna kill her. 194.3324 173 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 194.3324 (pause 1.07) 195.4037 174 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 195.4037 So, what he did, he blocked her 196.9563 175 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 196.9563 (pause 0.74) 197.6939 176 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 197.6939 door 198.1241 177 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 198.1241 (pause 0.70) 198.8266 178 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 198.8266 and her fire escape, and set her apartment on fire. 201.3115 179 LES_int_01 201.6364 Was she [inside?] 202.6446 180 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 202.5041 [While] she and her 203.6148 181 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 204.3656 cousin 204.8397 182 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 204.8397 (pause 0.92) 205.7573 183 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 205.7573 and her children slept. 207.0612 184 LES_int_01 207.2851 [Oh] God. 208.2407 185 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 207.3817 [Su.] 207.5398 186 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 207.5398 (pause 0.53) 208.0739 187 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 208.0739 [Supposedly.] 208.9519 188 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 209.7773 And, unfortunately, I lived on the fourth floor, and she lived on the- on the second, 213.2281 189 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 213.2281 (pause 0.32) 213.5442 190 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 213.5442 and fire burns up. 214.4953 191 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 214.4953 (pause 2.04) 216.5368 192 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 216.5368 Not down. 217.0724 193 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 217.0724 (pause 1.28) 218.3500 194 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 218.3500 The only thing saved her, is that her cousin was on the toilet bowl and smelt the smoke. 221.5719 195 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 221.5719 (pause 1.04) 222.6153 196 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 222.6153 And then when he got everybody out, and they tried to get out, they found out they were blocked. 226.1012 197 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 226.1012 (pause 1.46) 227.5631 198 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 227.5631 It was a mess. 228.2876 199 LES_int_01 228.8013 Were they killed? 229.6530 200 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 229.8682 No. 230.2150 201 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 230.2150 (pause 0.51) 230.7243 202 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 230.7243 But, uh, they barely got out with [their lives.] 232.7218 203 LES_int_01 232.3970 [Oh] God. 233.3936 204 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 233.9819 Cause the firemen, you know 235.0428 205 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 235.0428 (pause 0.24) 235.2842 206 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 235.2842 everyone had to 236.4652 207 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 236.4652 (pause 1.86) 238.3267 208 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 238.3267 get there and move stuff before they could even get them out. 241.0871 209 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 241.0871 (pause 1.46) 242.5443 210 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 242.5443 And that took time, and you know, in a fire, every minute is- 244.9765 211 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 244.9765 (pause 0.22) 245.1960 212 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 245.1960 is 245.5252 213 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 245.5252 (pause 0.09) 245.6174 214 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 245.6174 precious. 246.2189 215 LES_int_01 246.4209 Yeah. 247.0048 216 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 247.2638 But, it left me homeless 248.7960 217 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 248.7960 (pause 0.41) 249.2043 218 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 249.2043 with my two kids, and instead of going into a shelter 252.3023 219 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 252.3023 (pause 0.76) 253.0662 220 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 253.0662 a welfare shelter, 254.2165 221 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 254.2165 (pause 0.33) 254.5458 222 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 254.5458 at that time, 255.1604 223 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 255.1604 (pause 0.13) 255.2921 224 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 255.2921 wi- wi- which was offered to me, 257.3057 225 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 257.3057 (pause 0.80) 258.1092 226 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 258.1092 I couldn't see having my autistic, retarded son in one, or my other son in one. 262.1028 227 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 262.1028 (pause 0.52) 262.6208 228 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 262.6208 So, I decided to um, 264.2628 229 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 264.2628 (pause 2.52) 266.7802 230 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 266.7802 Ask my ex-mother-in-law, who loved me dearly, 268.7559 231 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 268.7559 (pause 2.13) 270.8852 232 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 270.8852 to take care of my kids while I hit the streets of New York where I- 274.6329 233 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 274.6329 (pause 0.71) 275.3442 234 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 275.3442 Where I stayed homeless for seven months. 277.6271 235 LES_int_01 277.9388 Wow. 278.5183 236 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 278.9295 I slept on park benches, and abandoned buildings. 281.4671 237 LES_int_01 283.3461 Wow. 283.6447 238 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 284.9420 Well, anyway, 285.4337 239 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 285.4337 (pause 0.95) 286.3864 240 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 286.3864 in nineteen eighty-four, I moved into this brand new building 289.8620 241 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 289.8620 (pause 0.62) 290.4810 242 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 290.4810 on the Lower East Side of Manhattan. 292.3952 243 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 292.3952 (pause 1.73) 294.1278 244 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 294.1278 /RD-ADDRESS-5/ 295.3747 245 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 295.3747 (pause 1.47) 296.8410 246 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 296.8410 And um. 297.8288 247 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 297.8288 (pause 2.61) 300.4351 248 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 300.4351 I thought it was gonna be a new beginning. 301.8795 249 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 301.8795 (pause 1.53) 303.4118 250 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 303.4118 New folks, 304.5005 251 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 304.5005 (pause 0.43) 304.9308 252 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 304.9308 new neighborhood, 305.9478 253 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 305.9478 (pause 0.68) 306.6283 254 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 306.6283 new everything. 307.3659 255 LES_int_01 307.7083 Yeah. 308.0464 256 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 308.3537 And I didn't 308.9288 257 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 308.9288 (pause 0.34) 309.2713 258 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 309.2713 like 309.6444 259 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 309.6444 (pause 0.77) 310.4127 260 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 310.4127 I didn't like certain aspects of living here. 312.6459 261 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 312.6459 (pause 0.46) 313.1069 262 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 313.1069 But like I told you, in the beginning, I ha- this was a very special place, but I didn't know that then. 317.3610 263 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 317.3610 (pause 0.36) 317.7167 264 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 317.7167 Nor did I appreciate it. 319.0673 265 LES_int_01 319.2430 [Yeah.] 319.7873 266 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 319.5547 [I] didn't, I wasn't used to living around different people of different cultures and different races. 323.6201 267 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 324.3034 And all of them looking down at me. 325.7215 268 LES_int_01 327.0122 Because in Harlem, 328.0719 269 LES_int_01 328.0719 (pause 0.15) 328.2196 270 LES_int_01 328.2196 it was primarily [African American.] 329.9773 271 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 328.9632 [/-Ly/ Black American.] Yeah. 330.3856 272 LES_int_01 330.8071 And now you're living in a place [where there's] 333.0051 273 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 332.2384 [Where-] 332.5220 274 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 333.5188 Everything. 334.1685 275 LES_int_01 334.2827 everybody. 335.0641 276 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 335.4066 And that was a shock. 336.7895 277 LES_int_01 337.2329 [Yeah.] 337.6792 278 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 337.3647 [And it] was difficult. 338.4519 279 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 338.6495 I didn't like- 339.2817 280 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 339.2817 (pause 0.17) 339.4485 281 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 339.4485 I used to be here 340.2914 282 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 340.2914 (pause 0.42) 340.7085 283 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 340.7085 Monday through Friday and every weekend, I would go to Harlem. 343.1056 284 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 343.1056 (pause 1.65) 344.7592 285 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 344.7592 I did that for a while. 345.9051 286 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 345.9051 (pause 0.73) 346.6383 287 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 346.6383 Til one day that 347.6700 288 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 347.6700 (pause 0.10) 347.7666 289 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 347.7666 I noticed, that they were bringing out a um, 350.3246 290 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 350.3246 (pause 0.59) 350.9129 291 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 350.9129 one of our neighbors. 351.9314 292 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 351.9314 (pause 0.08) 352.0149 293 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 352.0149 The police was bringing him out in a stretcher. 353.8720 294 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 353.8720 (pause 0.39) 354.2627 295 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 354.2627 He was a paraplegic. 355.4788 296 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 355.4788 (pause 0.71) 356.1929 297 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 356.1929 And they brought out his heroin, 357.7602 298 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 357.7602 (pause 0.56) 358.3178 299 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 358.3178 his cocaine, 359.2793 300 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 359.2793 (pause 0.52) 359.8017 301 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 359.8017 his crack, 360.6578 302 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 360.6578 (pause 0.59) 361.2505 303 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 361.2505 and his guns. 362.3246 304 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 362.3246 (pause 1.64) 363.9622 305 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 363.9622 And I said, 364.3924 306 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 364.3924 (pause 0.18) 364.5768 307 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 364.5768 Oh my God. 365.8763 308 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 365.8763 (pause 1.34) 367.2198 309 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 367.2198 Here we go again. 368.2105 310 LES_int_01 368.6363 Mm-hm. 369.2422 311 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 369.2422 And I said, no. 370.4671 312 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 371.1300 They got him. 371.7051 313 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 371.7051 (pause 1.34) 373.0442 314 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 373.0442 So, I- I don't have to worry. 374.4168 315 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 374.4168 (pause 1.93) 376.3441 316 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 376.3441 Alright? 376.7744 317 LES_int_01 377.2705 Yeah. 377.7051 318 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 377.9334 Well, they got him, lasted two months. 379.7247 319 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 379.7247 (pause 0.57) 380.2983 320 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 380.2983 And he was right back home. 381.5100 321 LES_int_01 382.2124 He was paraplegic? 383.2529 322 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 383.3188 Yes, he was paralyzed from the waist down. 385.2286 323 LES_int_01 385.2286 Waist down. Okay. 386.2851 324 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 386.8119 He was not quadra. Para. 388.1334 325 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 388.1334 (pause 0.45) 388.5856 326 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 388.5856 It's a difference. 389.2529 327 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 389.2529 (pause 0.24) 389.4944 328 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 389.4944 You know, he had [arms, one leg,] this, that, 391.2681 329 LES_int_01 390.0599 [Mm-hm.] 390.8614 330 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 392.0918 yeah. Uh-huh. 392.9259 331 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 392.9259 (pause 0.23) 393.1586 332 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 393.1586 And um, 393.8216 333 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 393.8216 (pause 0.66) 394.4786 334 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 394.4786 394.5839 335 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 394.5839 (pause 0.65) 395.2381 336 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 395.2381 I thought 395.7474 337 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 395.7474 (pause 0.32) 396.0635 338 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 396.0635 that the police had taken care of the problem. 397.9293 339 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 397.9293 (pause 0.78) 398.7064 340 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 398.7064 Two months later, the problem was back 400.3967 341 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 400.3967 (pause 0.32) 400.7200 342 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 400.7200 in the building, 401.3830 343 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 401.3830 (pause 0.43) 401.8088 344 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 401.8088 upstairs in his apartment. 403.1084 345 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 403.1084 (pause 1.55) 404.6537 346 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 404.6537 Angry, 405.1674 347 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 405.1674 (pause 1.09) 406.2606 348 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 406.2606 and he's determined to sell even more drugs than he did before. 409.0746 349 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 409.0746 (pause 2.57) 411.6413 350 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 411.6413 When I saw that happening, 413.0199 351 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 413.0199 (pause 0.60) 413.6214 352 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 413.6214 and the traffic in here, 414.7936 353 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 414.7936 (pause 0.58) 415.3687 354 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 415.3687 that I didn't noticed before, because like 416.9696 355 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 416.9696 (pause 0.14) 417.1145 356 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 417.1145 I didn't really wanna live here. 418.4360 357 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 418.4360 (pause 0.45) 418.8882 358 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 418.8882 And also, I was mostly in and out. 420.4336 359 LES_int_01 420.5302 Yeah. 420.9911 360 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 421.0877 This time, I stayed 422.4707 361 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 422.4707 (pause 0.15) 422.6228 362 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 422.6228 home a lot more, 423.7950 363 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 423.7950 (pause 0.51) 424.3043 364 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 424.3043 and I paid attention. 425.3140 365 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 425.3140 (pause 0.73) 426.0428 366 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 426.0428 And since I knew what 427.3468 367 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 427.3468 (pause 0.30) 427.6497 368 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 427.6497 t- what to look for, because I had just been through that. 429.4613 369 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 429.4613 (pause 2.64) 432.0999 370 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 432.0999 Here it is. Same pattern again. 433.7726 371 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 433.7726 (pause 0.57) 434.3390 372 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 434.3390 We had traffic 435.3999 373 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 435.3999 (pause 0.40) 435.7950 374 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 435.7950 in here that you wouldn't believe. 437.2570 375 LES_int_01 437.6477 [Mm-hm.] 437.8409 376 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 437.7706 [Twenty-four] 438.3765 377 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 438.5345 a- almost- almost twenty-four hours a day. 440.7346 378 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 440.7346 (pause 0.92) 441.6566 379 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 441.6566 Almost seven days a week. 443.2063 380 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 443.2063 (pause 0.44) 443.6454 381 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 443.6454 And they used to come and pay off the guard. He told 'em 445.8785 382 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 445.8785 (pause 0.47) 446.3439 383 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 446.3439 each customer give the guard one or two dollars, and he'll let you up. 449.4654 384 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 449.4654 (pause 0.86) 450.3243 385 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 450.3243 And you add it up. If you had a hundred and seventy-four 452.7302 386 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 452.7302 (pause 1.66) 454.3941 387 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 454.3941 customers, 455.1756 388 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 455.1756 (pause 0.39) 455.5692 389 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 455.5692 in a- 455.8107 390 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 455.8107 (pause 0.20) 456.0082 391 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 456.0082 in a- 456.3156 392 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 456.3156 (pause 0.07) 456.3814 393 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 456.3814 in a three hour period, 457.6590 394 LES_int_01 457.7775 Oh gosh. 458.5458 395 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 458.5458 you making good money and you a security guard. 460.7366 396 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 461.8386 I 462.1136 397 LES_int_01 462.2936 You're happy to help. 463.2770 398 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 463.4000 Yes. 464.1551 399 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 464.1551 (pause 0.57) 464.7214 400 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 464.7214 Uh. 464.9849 401 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 464.9849 (pause 0.94) 465.9200 402 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 465.9200 That's what what was going on here. And, we had, in the evenings, the prostitutes would bring their Johns over here. 471.8238 403 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 471.8238 (pause 0.83) 472.6536 404 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 472.6536 See. 472.9345 405 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 472.9345 (pause 0.86) 473.7907 406 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 473.7907 And they would give [th-] 474.9438 407 LES_int_01 474.8033 [This] was in the eighties? 475.9184 408 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 476.4848 Eighty- 477.3804 409 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 477.3804 (pause 0.16) 477.5428 410 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 477.5428 five, eighty-six, 479.3165 411 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 479.3165 (pause 0.15) 479.4658 412 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 479.4658 eighty-seven. 480.2385 413 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 480.2385 (pause 0.97) 481.2116 414 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 481.2116 eighty-eight. 481.7077 415 LES_int_01 481.9711 Yeah. 482.2609 416 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 482.3399 Um, I'll give them that. 483.5033 417 LES_int_01 483.5033 Yeah. 483.9160 418 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 484.0740 This was in the [eighties.] 485.2490 419 LES_int_01 485.1919 [Yeah.] 485.4509 420 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 486.1402 Okay, late 486.8339 421 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 486.8339 (pause 0.14) 486.9700 422 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 486.9700 middle to late eighties. 488.2871 423 LES_int_01 488.3310 Mm-hm. 488.7246 424 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 488.8124 Okay? 489.3041 425 LES_int_01 489.5499 Mm-hm. 489.9319 426 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 490.7090 And it's in the article that you dug up on the [internet.] 492.9700 427 LES_int_01 492.8690 [Yeah.] 493.1368 428 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 493.8744 And 494.3266 429 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 494.3266 (pause 1.17) 495.4992 430 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 495.4992 they would commit sex acts in the comu- in the compactor room, and if you was to open the door, they would ask you what they fuck you looking at. 501.3998 431 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 501.3998 (pause 0.96) 502.3597 432 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 502.3597 There was a naked woman running on the sixth floor. 504.3968 433 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 504.3968 (pause 0.61) 505.0070 434 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 505.0070 This building was turned into chaos like you never seen chaos. 508.5309 435 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 508.5309 (pause 0.45) 508.9787 436 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 508.9787 There were people jumping out the window because they were ODing, 511.6744 437 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 511.6744 (pause 0.47) 512.1485 438 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 512.1485 The /more/ wagon used to be parked on the outs- on the- in the parking lot. 515.7646 439 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 515.7646 (pause 0.59) 516.3573 440 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 516.3573 And the- and the immigration truck was parked in the- in the front. 518.8817 441 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 518.8817 (pause 0.31) 519.1890 442 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 519.1890 So, everyday, somebody would be asking you, do you know this person? 521.7959 443 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 521.7959 (pause 0.78) 522.5730 444 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 522.5730 And you say, look man, they all look alike to me. 524.3285 445 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 524.3285 (pause 1.02) 525.3471 446 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 525.3471 I mean, 525.7159 447 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 525.7159 (pause 0.46) 526.1724 448 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 526.1724 I mean, it was a nonstop 527.8480 449 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 527.8480 (pause 0.12) 527.9665 450 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 527.9665 circus. They was death around, young people were dropping dead around and in this building, 532.1812 451 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 532.1812 (pause 0.67) 532.8470 452 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 532.8470 like crazy. 533.6548 453 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 533.6548 (pause 0.66) 534.3134 454 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 534.3134 And I mean people thirty and under. 535.9992 455 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 535.9992 (pause 3.05) 539.0490 456 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 539.0490 And 539.6856 457 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 539.6856 (pause 0.20) 539.8831 458 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 539.8831 the traffic, 540.7831 459 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 540.7831 (pause 0.47) 541.2573 460 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 541.2573 And the 542.2846 461 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 542.2846 (pause 0.81) 543.0968 462 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 543.0968 ODing. 543.9441 463 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 543.9441 (pause 0.56) 544.5090 464 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 544.5090 And the crack rows, 546.3222 465 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 546.3222 (pause 0.07) 546.3968 466 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 546.3968 and the needles. 547.8675 467 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 547.8675 (pause 1.14) 549.0090 468 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 549.0090 Ugh. 549.6324 469 LES_int_01 550.0802 Yeah. 550.4710 470 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 550.6582 So I 551.2553 471 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 551.2553 (pause 0.23) 551.4880 472 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 551.4880 finally g- 552.0500 473 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 552.0500 (pause 0.47) 552.5153 474 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 552.5153 got mad. 553.4066 475 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 553.4066 (pause 0.69) 554.0958 476 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 554.0958 And uh 554.7324 477 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 554.7324 (pause 0.10) 554.8334 478 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 554.8334 went down to management and said, um 556.6758 479 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 556.6758 (pause 0.21) 556.8865 480 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 556.8865 well um, 557.7366 481 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 557.7366 (pause 0.54) 558.2810 482 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 558.2810 what are we gonna do about this? 559.6898 483 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 559.6898 (pause 0.09) 559.7765 484 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 559.7765 He said, 560.2259 485 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 560.2259 (pause 0.50) 560.7264 486 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 560.7264 you gonna call 561.6440 487 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 561.6440 (pause 0.21) 561.8547 488 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 561.8547 /RD-NAME-4/ from the assistance committee for New York City. 564.4786 489 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 564.4786 (pause 1.88) 566.3576 490 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 566.3576 So, you see, 566.9239 491 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 566.9239 (pause 0.31) 567.2357 492 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 567.2357 the first thing I had to learn 568.9435 493 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 568.9435 (pause 1.46) 570.3999 494 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 570.3999 first lesson this special place had for me is 572.4370 495 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 572.4370 (pause 0.49) 572.9287 496 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 572.9287 how do you live with people 574.3643 497 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 574.3643 (pause 1.00) 575.3609 498 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 575.3609 of 575.7121 499 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 575.7121 (pause 0.70) 576.4131 500 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 576.4131 different races, 577.3570 501 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 577.3570 (pause 0.57) 577.9277 502 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 577.9277 different creeds, 578.7619 503 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 578.7619 (pause 0.18) 578.9463 504 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 578.9463 different colors 579.7409 505 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 579.7409 (pause 3.03) 582.7731 506 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 582.7731 in 583.1550 507 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 583.1550 (pause 0.14) 583.2911 508 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 583.2911 one s- 583.9233 509 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 583.9233 (pause 0.25) 584.1736 510 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 584.1736 compact area 585.1965 511 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 585.1965 (pause 0.54) 585.7409 512 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 585.7409 on a day to day basis? 586.9702 513 LES_int_01 587.1282 Yeah. 587.4795 514 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 588.2550 Mkay, that was the first lesson. 589.4053 515 LES_int_01 589.5589 [Mm-hm.] 589.9943 516 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 589.8575 [The] second lesson this 590.7267 517 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 590.9287 beautiful place had for me to learn is that 592.8648 518 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 592.8648 (pause 0.79) 593.6595 519 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 593.6595 there are people here, if you wish to 595.5677 520 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 595.5677 (pause 0.62) 596.1867 521 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 596.1867 change conditions in your apartment, 598.0965 522 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 598.0965 (pause 0.20) 598.2985 523 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 598.2985 in your neighborhood, 599.1151 524 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 599.1151 (pause 0.11) 599.2292 525 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 599.2292 that will help you. 599.9448 526 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 599.9448 (pause 2.49) 602.4326 527 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 602.4326 Now, who would expect 603.2799 528 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 603.2799 (pause 0.27) 603.5477 529 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 603.5477 a nun 604.0570 530 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 604.0570 (pause 0.50) 604.5575 531 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 604.5575 in a manager's office 605.9141 532 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 605.9141 (pause 0.42) 606.3340 533 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 606.3340 telling me to call the citizen's committee for New York City? 608.8266 534 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 608.8266 (pause 1.27) 610.0954 535 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 610.0954 and that- that- that they had someone there that could help me. 612.4998 536 LES_int_01 612.7895 Mm-hm. 613.2944 537 LES_int_01 613.2944 (pause 0.21) 613.5008 538 LES_int_01 613.5008 Mm-hm. 613.8651 539 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 613.9134 Cause I was angry enough to do something about it, but I thought she was gonna do it. 617.3554 540 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 617.3554 (pause 0.40) 617.7506 541 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 617.7506 And she told me no. 618.5832 542 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 618.5832 (pause 1.36) 619.9398 543 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 619.9398 That's the lesson. 620.6554 544 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 620.6554 (pause 0.25) 620.9013 545 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 620.9013 That was the lesson right there, 622.0164 546 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 622.0164 (pause 0.79) 622.8110 547 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 622.8110 Any time you want 623.9362 548 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 623.9362 (pause 0.12) 624.0591 549 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 624.0591 to create change 625.5869 550 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 625.5869 (pause 0.54) 626.1313 551 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 626.1313 in your building, 626.9742 552 LES_int_01 627.1499 Yeah. 627.3694 553 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 627.3694 in your neighborhood, 628.4055 554 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 629.1826 The first person that has to change is the people that live there. 632.6306 555 LES_int_01 633.7996 Mm-hm. 634.2386 556 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 634.2386 They are the primary stakeholders. 636.0371 557 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 636.3489 They are the ones that are going to initiate the change and make sure the change stays change. 641.1035 558 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 641.1035 (pause 0.55) 641.6567 559 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 641.6567 And make sure the change continues, 643.4672 560 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 643.4672 (pause 0.67) 644.1389 561 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 644.1389 because they live there, they're the primary stakeholders. 646.6677 562 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 646.6677 (pause 0.27) 646.9399 563 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 646.9399 Everybody else that comes into play, that they will bring in, 649.4703 564 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 649.4703 (pause 0.42) 649.8913 565 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 649.8913 to help them, 650.5235 566 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 650.5235 (pause 0.53) 651.0504 567 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 651.0504 will just be actors. 652.0953 568 LES_int_01 652.4274 Yeah. 652.7786 569 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 653.5820 Who will go home to someplace else. 655.2065 570 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 655.2065 (pause 2.23) 657.4323 571 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 657.4323 I didn't- 658.0953 572 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 658.0953 (pause 0.43) 658.5284 573 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 658.5284 I didn't know none of that- I didn't know any of this at the time. 660.8201 574 LES_int_01 660.8201 Yeah. 661.2416 575 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 661.6235 Trust me. 662.1240 576 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 662.1240 (pause 0.92) 663.0460 577 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 663.0460 I mean, I was one scared 664.7611 578 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 664.7611 (pause 0.14) 664.8972 579 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 664.8972 fool. 665.2264 580 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 665.2264 (pause 0.90) 666.1264 581 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 666.1264 So, the 666.9211 582 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 666.9211 (pause 1.05) 667.9704 583 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 667.9704 workers at Pueblo Nuevo that was the agency that sponsored this building, said that they would help me, so we formed a little committee. 673.1933 584 LES_int_01 673.5928 673.7421 585 LES_int_01 673.7421 (pause 0.15) 673.8913 586 LES_int_01 673.8913 Is this um, a NYCHA building? 675.5860 587 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 675.6738 No. 675.9767 588 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 675.9767 (pause 0.60) 676.5724 589 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 676.5724 This is a privately owned 677.9422 590 LES_int_01 678.1837 Mm-hm. 678.4427 591 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 679.1495 Section Eight [based project.] 680.5720 592 LES_int_01 680.2734 [Section Eight.] 680.8409 593 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 681.1471 Which means 681.9769 594 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 681.9769 (pause 0.68) 682.6530 595 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 682.6530 according to the law, 683.6161 596 LES_int_01 683.8136 Yeah. 684.1078 597 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 684.1078 HUD, 684.5161 598 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 685.0780 the 685.6224 599 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 685.6224 (pause 0.30) 685.9265 600 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 685.9265 management 686.7958 601 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 686.7958 (pause 0.85) 687.6475 602 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 687.6475 o- owner 688.2841 603 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 688.2841 (pause 1.00) 689.2852 604 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 689.2852 and 689.8560 605 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 689.8560 (pause 0.56) 690.4185 606 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 690.4185 a financial institution got together 692.3766 607 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 692.3766 (pause 0.43) 692.8024 608 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 692.8024 create a contract 693.8326 609 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 693.8326 (pause 0.25) 694.0785 610 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 694.0785 and put this building up. 694.9477 611 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 694.9477 (pause 0.24) 695.1848 612 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 695.1848 Specifically for low and moderate income people. 697.3975 613 LES_int_01 697.3975 Got it. 697.8366 614 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 698.6828 Mkay. 699.1218 615 LES_int_01 699.1833 Yeah. 699.4774 616 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 700.1959 Now. 700.4418 617 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 700.4418 (pause 0.79) 701.2276 618 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 701.2276 So. 701.5876 619 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 701.5876 (pause 0.83) 702.4174 620 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 702.4174 I was- 703.5808 621 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 703.5808 (pause 0.14) 703.7257 622 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 703.7257 I was trained 704.4150 623 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 704.4150 (pause 0.71) 705.1262 624 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 705.1262 how to be an anti-drug organizer 707.2013 625 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 707.2013 (pause 0.12) 707.3242 626 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 707.3242 by the citizens committee. 708.3735 627 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 708.3735 (pause 0.50) 708.8784 628 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 708.8784 And 709.3789 629 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 709.3789 (pause 0.77) 710.1472 630 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 710.1472 I was so afraid I did not 711.7233 631 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 711.7233 (pause 0.24) 711.9588 632 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 711.9588 I would not 712.4286 633 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 712.4286 (pause 0.18) 712.6086 634 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 712.6086 have 713.1925 635 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 713.1925 (pause 1.52) 714.7115 636 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 714.7115 I would not be able to learn enough 716.3755 637 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 716.3755 (pause 0.27) 716.6477 638 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 716.6477 fast enough that either I would get killed, or I would be homeless again. 719.5042 639 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 719.5042 (pause 1.05) 720.5535 640 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 720.5535 So I learned as much as I could as fast as I could. 722.9945 641 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 722.9945 (pause 0.63) 723.6223 642 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 723.6223 And I was able to organize 725.0564 643 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 725.0564 (pause 0.17) 725.2232 644 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 725.2232 the police 725.9652 645 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 725.9652 (pause 0.61) 726.5754 646 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 726.5754 and some other resources to get this man put- 729.0472 647 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 729.0472 (pause 0.38) 729.4247 648 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 729.4247 arrested. 730.0247 649 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 730.0247 (pause 1.11) 731.1354 650 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 731.1354 and put in jail. 731.9213 651 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 731.9213 (pause 1.17) 733.0891 652 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 733.0891 And the other three that came behind him. 734.8540 653 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 734.8540 (pause 0.94) 735.7939 654 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 735.7939 See, when the group of people in here saw that I could do it safely, 738.7134 655 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 738.7134 (pause 1.40) 740.1124 656 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 740.1124 then they were willing to work with me to get the other two out. 742.7290 657 LES_int_01 742.7290 Right. 743.1856 658 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 743.7695 So, we had a committee of thirty. 745.0603 659 LES_int_01 745.7085 And how were you able to do it safely? 747.4734 660 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 748.1539 Well, number one 749.0758 661 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 749.0758 (pause 0.55) 749.6290 662 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 749.6290 at that time, we had community policing, 751.3560 663 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 751.3560 (pause 1.07) 752.4229 664 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 752.4229 and God sent me 753.7707 665 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 753.7707 (pause 0.07) 753.8409 666 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 753.8409 the most perfect police officer. 755.4594 667 LES_int_01 756.1882 This guy? 756.9632 668 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 757.6809 [/RD-NAME-4/] 758.9322 669 LES_int_01 758.7478 [/RD-NAME-1/] 759.3931 670 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 759.9316 /RD-NAME-1/ was a very unusual police officer. One, he wasn't racist. 763.3517 671 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 763.3517 (pause 0.90) 764.2473 672 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 764.2473 Two, he didn't believe in Rambo way. 765.9755 673 LES_int_01 766.5918 [] 767.3382 674 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 767.2416 [No,] that you have to always use 769.7337 675 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 769.8523 force. 770.2738 676 LES_int_01 770.2738 Force. 770.7523 677 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 771.3230 Or be abusive 772.4338 678 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 772.4338 (pause 0.30) 772.7367 679 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 772.7367 to the community to get 773.9967 680 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 773.9967 (pause 0.29) 774.2850 681 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 774.2850 law and order. 774.9962 682 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 774.9962 (pause 0.83) 775.8303 683 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 775.8303 He developed 776.4538 684 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 776.4538 (pause 0.79) 777.2440 685 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 777.2440 through 777.7489 686 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 777.7489 (pause 0.08) 777.8323 687 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 777.8323 the community policing unit 779.2460 688 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 779.2460 (pause 0.08) 779.3250 689 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 779.3250 some strategies 780.2674 690 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 780.2674 (pause 0.36) 780.6318 691 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 780.6318 in which 781.3254 692 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 781.3254 (pause 0.48) 781.8084 693 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 781.8084 to starve the de- 782.9235 694 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 782.9235 (pause 0.16) 783.0860 695 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 783.0860 th- 783.4240 696 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 783.4240 (pause 0.11) 783.5382 697 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 783.5382 to starve 784.4118 698 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 784.4118 (pause 0.38) 784.7938 699 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 784.7938 the dealer 785.5357 700 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 785.5357 (pause 0.94) 786.4781 701 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 786.4781 from 786.9215 702 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 786.9215 (pause 0.36) 787.2772 703 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 787.2772 his profit. 787.9357 704 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 787.9357 (pause 0.61) 788.5459 705 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 788.5459 What he would do is three very simple steps. 791.0572 706 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 791.0572 (pause 0.45) 791.5094 707 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 791.5094 One, he would do a vertical, 792.6937 708 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 792.6937 (pause 0.64) 793.3303 709 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 793.3303 a lot of times a day. 794.3444 710 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 794.3444 (pause 1.00) 795.3483 711 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 795.3483 People don't like to buy where the cops are. 797.1790 712 LES_int_01 798.7332 What's a- what's a vertical? 799.9317 713 LES_int_01 799.9317 (pause 0.10) 800.0283 714 LES_int_01 800.0283 I can pause it. Yeah. 801.0585 715 LES_int_01 801.0585 (pause 0.15) 801.2078 716 LES_int_01 801.2078 Go ahead. 801.6736