Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 0.8963 Yeah, my autistic retarded son 2.9173 2 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2.9173 (pause 1.46) 4.3821 3 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 4.3821 has a teacher that's dying of cancer. 6.6036 4 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 6.6036 (pause 0.40) 7.0067 5 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 7.0067 And the man is younger than me. 8.7058 6 LES_int_01 9.3906 Oh. I'm so [sorry.] 10.4660 7 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 10.2885 [The] man is around 11.1402 8 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 11.8777 I would say 12.5056 9 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 12.5056 (pause 3.39) 15.8954 10 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 15.8954 maybe, 16.5100 11 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 16.5100 (pause 0.24) 16.7515 12 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 16.7515 thirties 17.3398 13 LES_int_01 17.6032 Oh. 18.3539 14 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 19.1442 I got a picture of him over there, 20.4437 15 LES_int_01 20.9913 That's awful. 21.7160 16 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 21.9144 and he worked with these kids. 23.3835 17 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 23.3835 (pause 0.21) 23.5898 18 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 23.5898 He was their head teacher, 24.6611 19 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 24.6611 (pause 0.62) 25.2845 20 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 25.2845 my son's group. 26.0484 21 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 26.0484 (pause 1.01) 27.0585 22 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 27.0585 And he's the only one that could do anything with him. 28.7153 23 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 28.7153 (pause 1.20) 29.9138 24 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 29.9138 In some of the cases. 31.0773 25 LES_int_01 31.1782 Oh, that's terrible. 32.2216 26 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 32.8626 Three k- and he wasn't sick. 34.5046 27 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 34.5046 (pause 1.83) 36.3353 28 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 36.3353 No, he wasn't [sick.] 37.3714 29 LES_int_01 37.2485 [And] then all of a sudden, 38.2743 30 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 41.4221 No symptoms. 42.1377 31 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 42.1377 (pause 0.45) 42.5856 32 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 42.5856 No pain, 43.5119 33 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 43.5119 (pause 0.37) 43.8851 34 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 43.8851 no loss of appetite, no loss of weight, 46.5221 35 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 46.5221 (pause 0.68) 47.1982 36 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 47.1982 no loss of anything. 48.3177 37 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 48.3177 (pause 2.13) 50.4455 38 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 50.4455 He had a blood clot in his foot and his foot swolled up, so that's what got them to looking. 54.4319 39 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 54.4319 (pause 0.86) 55.2880 40 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 55.2880 And then, and then, he started passing blood through his stool. 58.0787 41 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 58.0787 (pause 0.39) 58.4650 42 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 58.4650 And they started looking at that. 59.7075 43 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 59.7075 (pause 0.29) 59.9929 44 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 59.9929 And the colon was clean. 61.1519 45 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 61.1519 (pause 0.89) 62.0431 46 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 62.0431 Then they looked a little further in. 63.2050 47 LES_int_01 65.2948 What kind of cancer was it? 66.5856 48 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 66.7536 Pancreatic [cancer.] 68.1953 49 LES_int_01 67.6700 [Ah.] That's one of the worst kinds. 69.7829 50 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 70.3317 And it spread to his spleen and his liver. 72.0571 51 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 72.0571 (pause 2.13) 74.1864 52 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 74.1864 How long has he got? 75.0014 53 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 75.0014 (pause 1.69) 76.6917 54 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 76.6917 Not long. 77.3590 55 LES_int_01 77.9693 That's a- it's a 78.5663 56 LES_int_01 78.5663 (pause 0.37) 78.9351 57 LES_int_01 78.9351 a nasty can- cancer I think. 80.7549 58 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 81.0666 Why is it nasty? 82.2388 59 LES_int_01 82.2388 I just think there's some that are 83.7563 60 LES_int_01 83.7563 (pause 0.38) 84.1383 61 LES_int_01 84.1383 harder to fight than others. 85.5871 62 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 86.2105 Are they all so sneaky? 87.5451 63 LES_int_01 88.9895 No, I think this one is particularly sneaky. 91.2885 64 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 92.1490 [You kn-] 92.3685 65 LES_int_01 92.1490 [I don't] that much about it. 93.1281 66 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 93.2466 But, 93.4749 67 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 93.4749 (pause 0.13) 93.6066 68 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 93.6066 he- [you think he has a.] 94.7744 69 LES_int_01 93.8086 [I know someone else that] passed away from it, and they- I just 96.4685 70 LES_int_01 96.7381 [/inaudible/] 97.6293 71 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 96.9225 [How long did] they last? 98.1781 72 LES_int_01 100.4288 I think a ye- at least a year. 102.1366 73 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 102.5186 With stage four? 103.4976 74 LES_int_01 105.2845 I don't remember. 106.2284 75 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 106.6806 [Well he's.] 107.1181 76 LES_int_01 106.7888 [Might have] progressed. They might have caught it earlier, and then it progressed to stage four. 110.3054 77 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 111.0211 Well, he got his first chemo treatment the other day. 113.2277 78 LES_int_01 113.3799 Okay. 113.7750 79 LES_int_01 113.7750 (pause 0.79) 114.5652 80 LES_int_01 114.5652 That's good. 115.1140 81 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 115.8033 But, 116.0755 82 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 116.0755 (pause 0.09) 116.1677 83 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 116.1677 it's stage four 116.8965 84 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 116.8965 (pause 0.32) 117.2214 85 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 117.2214 already and it's m- m- metastasized 119.4911 86 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 119.4911 (pause 0.64) 120.1350 87 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 120.1350 to his spleen [and to his liver.] 121.7989 88 LES_int_01 121.0848 [That's terrible.] 122.0535 89 LES_int_01 122.2467 Especially for someone so young. 123.8843 90 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 124.2004 He is young. 124.8282 91 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 124.8282 (pause 0.24) 125.0653 92 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 125.0653 I'm'a show you his picture before you leave. He's young, he's not a old man. 127.9613 93 LES_int_01 128.0623 Oh. 128.6067 94 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 129.4497 Eh. 129.7394 95 LES_int_01 131.0521 I'm sorry. 131.8101 96 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 132.4291 Oh, I'm worried about my son now. 133.8604 97 LES_int_01 134.0931 Yeah. 134.7472 98 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 135.1511 Cause, /RD-NAME-1/ was with him all these years. 137.0609 99 LES_int_01 137.0609 [Yeah.] 137.3243 100 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 137.2145 [The] whole group was. 138.2634 101 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 138.3951 It's a group of them. 139.1985 102 LES_int_01 139.2600 What does your- yeah. What does- 140.2347 103 LES_int_01 140.2347 (pause 0.13) 140.3664 104 LES_int_01 140.3664 kind of program does your son do? 141.9545 105 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 141.9545 Y-A-I, Young Adult Institute. Have you ever heard of it? 144.5960 106 LES_int_01 144.6750 I have, yeah. 145.4126 107 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 145.5135 Mm-hm. 145.9174 108 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 145.9174 (pause 0.11) 146.0228 109 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 146.0228 He's in their day, uh, day rehab. 147.9984 110 LES_int_01 148.3760 Oh, that's great. 149.1614 111 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 149.2141 On Thirteenth Street. 150.0834 112 LES_int_01 150.2590 Oh. [Yeah.] 150.5971 113 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 150.4829 [He] goes out to work 151.4751 114 LES_int_01 152.0107 Yeah. 152.2566 115 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 152.9810 And [uh.] 153.8415 116 LES_int_01 153.6834 [That's] wonderful. 154.4458 117 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 154.6083 You know. 154.9507 118 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 154.9507 (pause 0.25) 155.2018 119 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 155.2018 Volunteer sites. 156.2897 120 LES_int_01 156.3863 Yeah. 156.7902 121 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 157.3522 And um, 157.9273 122 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 157.9273 (pause 1.03) 158.9590 123 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 158.9590 /RD-NAME-1/ was the head teacher of his unit. 160.9244 124 LES_int_01 161.2800 Okay. 161.5917 125 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 161.9166 And 162.3424 126 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 162.3424 (pause 0.16) 162.5049 127 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 162.5049 it was fourteen of them in the class, and they held him down. 164.9722 128 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 164.9722 (pause 0.45) 165.4200 129 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 165.4200 Him and two other teachers. It's 166.9200 130 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 166.9200 (pause 0.74) 167.6619 131 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 167.6619 three of them in there. 169.1459 132 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 169.1459 (pause 1.18) 170.3268 133 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 170.3268 Yeah they st- k- they got the, they kept the group. 172.3449 134 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 172.3449 (pause 1.54) 173.8815 135 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 173.8815 Mm-hm. 174.2530 136 LES_int_01 174.3337 Yeah, 174.7332 137 LES_int_01 174.7332 (pause 0.25) 174.9878 138 LES_int_01 174.9878 I'm sorry, that's really sad. 176.4059 139 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 177.1566 Now, 177.7976 140 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 177.7976 (pause 0.70) 178.4941 141 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 178.4941 the- one teacher 179.5522 142 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 179.5522 (pause 1.17) 180.7200 143 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 180.7200 that was in there, 181.8571 144 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 181.8571 (pause 0.42) 182.2786 145 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 182.2786 /RD-NAME-3/ she made head teacher, so they moved her to her own room. 185.2975 146 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 185.2975 (pause 0.80) 186.0966 147 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 186.0966 And now this happened, and he's not coming back, so there's only one teacher left. 188.9371 148 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 188.9371 (pause 0.68) 189.6132 149 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 189.6132 And she's a Brazilian. 190.6346 150 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 190.6346 (pause 2.03) 192.6673 151 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 192.6673 Cause they got a 193.5981 152 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 193.5981 (pause 0.40) 193.9932 153 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 193.9932 Hungarian. 194.9415 154 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 194.9415 (pause 0.32) 195.2620 155 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 195.2620 Are you ready for this? 195.8415 156 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 195.8415 (pause 0.51) 196.3492 157 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 196.3492 A Hungarian volunteer, that doesn't speak too good English in there. 199.3566 158 LES_int_01 199.8088 Oh. 200.4234 159 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 200.6868 And they said my son loves her. 202.0259 160 LES_int_01 202.7575 Oh. [] 203.7854 161 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 203.6005 [He] was holding her hand, and then he grabbed a chair and pulled her next to him. Oh [ lord Jesus, I wouldn't wanna.] 208.3469 162 LES_int_01 207.6401 [Oh, that's] 208.9703 163 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 208.8606 [Oh] see, now, but that- that- that behavior has to be addressed though. 211.6118 164 LES_int_01 211.6557 Oh, really? 212.4459 165 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 212.7357 Yeah, because, what happens when she doesn't find it amusing anymore? 216.0811 166 LES_int_01 218.5293 Yeah. 219.0035 167 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 220.1256 220.2674 168 LES_int_01 220.5796 Or, she can't pay attention to him, and then he 222.4455 169 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 222.7133 [Yeah.] 223.3455 170 LES_int_01 223.0601 [gets] upset or [something.] 224.2197 171 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 223.9914 [Mm.] 224.6411 172 LES_int_01 224.5078 [Yeah.] 225.0114 173 LES_int_01 225.4619 [And now] how old is he now? 226.8712 174 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 225.4663 [Mm.] 225.8176 175 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 226.9854 Thirty-eight. 227.3938 176 LES_int_01 227.0837 [/??/] thirty-eight. Wow. 228.6379 177 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 228.9743 I got a picture of him too. 229.9105 178 LES_int_01 230.2936 Wow. 230.8726 179 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 231.4593 Yeah. 232.1091 180 LES_int_01 232.4998 Well, so get back to your story. You were- I was asking you what vertical policing was. 236.9911 181 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 237.1535 Oh, vertical patrol. 238.1706 182 LES_int_01 238.2628 Patrol. 238.7808 183 LES_int_01 238.7808 (pause 0.23) 239.0125 184 LES_int_01 239.0125 [Yeah, what is that?] 239.7214 185 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 239.1419 [Okay, re- ve- ve- reger- vertical patrol is done when the crime is inside, not outside and not visible to the, uh, 245.5210 186 LES_int_01 245.7537 Not on the [street.] 246.6097 187 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 246.3507 [street.] 246.6536 188 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 246.8161 And. 247.3078 189 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 247.3078 (pause 0.10) 247.4044 190 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 247.4044 The police have to go into a building or another area, and what they will do 251.2810 191 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 251.2810 (pause 0.45) 251.7317 192 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 251.7317 they will 252.1312 193 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 252.1312 (pause 0.14) 252.2717 194 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 252.2717 patrol 252.8776 195 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 252.8776 (pause 0.34) 253.2156 196 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 253.2156 check 253.5273 197 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 253.5273 (pause 0.10) 253.6239 198 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 253.6239 every d- staircases, of [the co-] 255.7268 199 LES_int_01 255.4151 [They] go up and down. 256.4073 200 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 256.4073 Down, [right the] hallways 258.3775 201 LES_int_01 257.0209 [/inaudible/] 257.6355 202 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 258.5004 the doors, any doors that are open that may- 260.5669 203 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 260.5669 (pause 1.06) 261.6294 204 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 261.6294 And the reason why they're doing that is to catch anybody using drugs, 265.3973 205 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 265.3973 (pause 0.36) 265.7617 206 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 265.7617 or drug sale, 266.9597 207 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 266.9597 (pause 0.29) 267.2451 208 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 267.2451 or anyone trespassing in your building. 269.0231 209 LES_int_01 269.3700 Right. 269.7563 210 LES_int_01 269.7563 (pause 0.39) 270.1427 211 LES_int_01 270.1427 Right. 270.4324 212 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 270.6871 See? 270.9329 213 LES_int_01 271.2271 Yeah. 271.6378 214 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 271.9606 A lot of the stuff that the DA's office now uses like the Trespass affidavit program 276.5688 215 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 276.5688 (pause 0.46) 277.0298 216 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 277.0298 that they rely on, 278.2283 217 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 278.2283 (pause 0.36) 278.5839 218 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 278.5839 came from this case. 279.7912 219 LES_int_01 280.2478 [Yeah.] 280.5552 220 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 280.3005 [The-] the strategy that that man, that I showed you 283.1685 221 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 283.6272 developed. 284.1541 222 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 284.1541 (pause 0.54) 284.6897 223 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 284.6897 He developed 285.1375 224 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 285.1375 (pause 0.11) 285.2429 225 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 285.2429 alright, 285.5326 226 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 285.5326 (pause 0.12) 285.6511 227 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 285.6511 the vertical patrol was always 287.3590 228 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 287.3590 (pause 0.23) 287.5917 229 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 287.5917 a given. 288.0658 230 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 288.0658 (pause 0.33) 288.4000 231 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 288.4000 But, it wasn't used very widely cause it's dangerous. 290.8673 232 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 290.8673 (pause 0.47) 291.3371 233 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 291.3371 And the captain had to okay it. 292.7687 234 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 292.7687 (pause 0.90) 293.6643 235 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 293.6643 And he said to the captain, 295.1314 236 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 295.1314 (pause 0.11) 295.2411 237 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 295.2411 I wanna do some other creative stuff, 297.1092 238 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 297.1092 (pause 0.82) 297.9258 239 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 297.9258 in /RD-ADDRESS-5/ and I really would like to work with the tenants there. Uh- 302.0548 240 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 302.0548 (pause 0.71) 302.7660 241 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 302.7660 Cause there are some tenants that don't want this. 304.6319 242 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 304.6319 (pause 0.43) 305.0621 243 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 305.0621 fine. 305.3256 244 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 305.3256 (pause 0.69) 306.0176 245 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 306.0176 So, the captain gave him a free hand. 307.3039 246 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 307.3039 (pause 0.36) 307.6595 247 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 307.6595 He developed 308.1995 248 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 308.1995 (pause 0.13) 308.3269 249 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 308.3269 a little strategy called, um, 310.2371 250 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 310.2371 (pause 1.04) 311.2820 251 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 311.2820 Inquiry plus escort. 312.7747 252 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 312.7747 (pause 1.72) 314.4942 253 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 314.4942 This became 315.5523 254 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 315.5523 (pause 0.56) 316.1098 255 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 316.1098 this is what the DA's office use right now. 318.4411 256 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 318.4411 (pause 2.02) 320.4635 257 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 320.4635 When 320.9771 258 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 320.9771 (pause 0.90) 321.8771 259 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 321.8771 they want to 322.7903 260 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 322.7903 (pause 0.12) 322.9132 261 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 322.9132 slow down 323.6815 262 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 323.6815 (pause 0.14) 323.8264 263 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 323.8264 or interrupt as they say, the marketplace. 325.7961 264 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 325.7961 (pause 0.92) 326.7181 265 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 326.7181 This guy here, /RD-NAME-5/, standing in the front of the door 329.8615 266 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 329.8615 (pause 0.49) 330.3489 267 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 330.3489 in the front of the lobby. 331.1771 268 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 331.1771 (pause 0.44) 331.6205 269 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 331.6205 by 331.9147 270 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 331.9147 (pause 0.14) 332.0596 271 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 332.0596 where- 332.5688 272 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 332.5688 (pause 0.09) 332.6610 273 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 332.6610 where the bells are 333.5040 274 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 333.5040 (pause 0.72) 334.2240 275 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 334.2240 and as people come in, he would say, hello, how are you? 336.6474 276 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 336.6474 (pause 1.31) 337.9542 277 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 337.9542 And how can I help you? And where are you going? 339.9474 278 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 339.9474 (pause 1.44) 341.3874 279 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 341.3874 And if they would tell him they were going to the drug floor to see the drug dealer, 344.8235 280 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 344.8235 (pause 0.40) 345.2230 281 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 345.2230 he said, just one minute. 346.0571 282 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 346.0571 (pause 1.46) 347.5191 283 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 347.5191 Are you going the same place? 348.7572 284 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 348.7572 (pause 0.37) 349.1244 285 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 349.1244 He said, well you see, 349.9542 286 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 349.9542 (pause 0.16) 350.1166 287 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 350.1166 these two gentlemen here, they're gonna escort you to the door because you see, uh, this building is not safe, and we don't want anything to happen to you. 356.3168 288 LES_int_01 356.5451 [] 357.7568 289 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 357.4539 [And] they're gonna make sure the drug dea- they'll make sure the man lets you in, and make sure he's home and he'll let you in. You don't mind do you? 363.0273 290 LES_int_01 363.2117 364.2083 291 LES_int_01 364.2083 (pause 0.74) 364.9530 292 LES_int_01 364.9530 [Then they turn] tail and (laughing) 366.4501 293 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 365.0803 [No.] 365.6950 294 LES_int_01 367.3501 went somewhere else? 368.3225 295 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 368.5025 Well, 368.8977 296 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 368.8977 (pause 0.30) 369.1962 297 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 369.1962 some of them. 369.8855 298 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 369.8855 (pause 1.39) 371.2728 299 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 371.2728 You know. 371.6439 300 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 371.6439 (pause 0.30) 371.9424 301 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 371.9424 He just didn't open the door th- when they got up there, but 374.4405 302 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 374.4405 (pause 0.25) 374.6951 303 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 374.6951 after a while, they would see him standing in the front 377.3375 304 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 377.3375 (pause 0.13) 377.4648 305 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 377.4648 and not even come in the building. 378.8560 306 LES_int_01 379.0316 Right. 379.3784 307 LES_int_01 379.3784 (pause 0.85) 380.2257 308 LES_int_01 380.2257 Incredible. [That's really smart.] 381.6043 309 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 380.9018 [So that shut-] that shut down the tra- 383.1257 310 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 383.2222 that shut 383.7599 311 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 383.7599 (pause 0.10) 383.8565 312 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 383.8565 down the um, 385.1198 313 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 385.1198 (pause 1.57) 386.6871 314 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 386.6871 traffic. 387.1042 315 LES_int_01 387.2579 Yeah. 387.6672 316 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 388.0009 Immediately. 388.7434 317 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 388.7434 (pause 0.94) 389.6832 318 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 389.6832 [So.] 390.0679 319 LES_int_01 389.7518 [I-] 389.9845 320 LES_int_01 390.1425 but now, I'm wondering how, I mean. 391.9996 321 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 392.0611 [Wait a minute.] 392.5572 322 LES_int_01 392.0781 [Is.] 392.3371 323 LES_int_01 392.5786 [Yeah.] 393.0314 324 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 392.7284 [This is] some 393.8523 325 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 395.2441 Let me connect it. 396.0322 326 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 396.0322 (pause 0.62) 396.6557 327 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 396.6557 That was 397.4503 328 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 397.4503 (pause 0.99) 398.4425 329 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 398.4425 a police- this was a program reaching out to the community. 401.0196 330 LES_int_01 401.2259 Yeah. 401.5596 331 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 401.8757 Because, the woman that trained me also trained them and suggested that we meet. 405.7909 332 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 405.7909 (pause 1.23) 407.0245 333 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 407.0245 See, the Lower East Side was right for that because of the fact, it was a- 410.5001 334 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 410.5001 (pause 0.11) 410.6055 335 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 410.6055 a- a- 410.9567 336 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 410.9567 (pause 0.22) 411.1806 337 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 411.1806 a lesson 411.7250 338 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 411.7250 (pause 0.36) 412.0806 339 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 412.0806 that this is a place 413.1080 340 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 413.1080 (pause 0.41) 413.5206 341 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 413.5206 that 413.7913 342 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 413.7913 (pause 0.73) 414.5245 343 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 414.5245 nurtures 415.3543 344 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 415.3543 (pause 0.31) 415.6660 345 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 415.6660 advocacy, 416.3948 346 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 416.3948 (pause 0.40) 416.7943 347 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 416.7943 nurtures 417.5450 348 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 417.5450 (pause 0.14) 417.6899 349 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 417.6899 organization 418.7128 350 LES_int_01 418.7128 Yeah. 419.0641 351 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 419.2353 nurtures 420.0855 352 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 420.0855 (pause 0.14) 420.2216 353 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 420.2216 people changing their situation 422.3289 354 LES_int_01 422.5309 [Yeah.] 422.8074 355 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 422.6626 [for] the better. 423.2289 356 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 424.3089 As a result, 424.9323 357 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 424.9323 (pause 0.27) 425.2002 358 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 425.2002 the building was cleaned up, 426.2435 359 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 426.2435 (pause 0.46) 426.7001 360 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 426.7001 the people learned a 428.1182 361 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 428.1182 (pause 0.51) 428.6318 362 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 428.6318 new 429.1235 363 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 429.1235 (pause 0.31) 429.4353 364 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 429.4353 respect for the police department, they don't have the attitudes they had when they first moved in this building. 433.9513 365 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 433.9513 (pause 1.22) 435.1674 366 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 435.1674 And, we haven't had that 436.4670 367 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 436.4670 (pause 0.15) 436.6162 368 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 436.6162 kind of drug dealing 437.5338 369 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 437.5338 (pause 0.59) 438.1206 370 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 438.1206 ever again. 438.7572 371 LES_int_01 438.7572 Incredible. 439.5343 372 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 440.8206 So, I went on to tell my story to all over New York and then 444.3927 373 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 444.3927 (pause 0.22) 444.6122 374 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 444.6122 all over the si- states 446.3288 375 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 446.3288 (pause 0.55) 446.8804 376 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 446.8804 and then all. Then people from all over the world came in to talk about it. 450.3751 377 LES_int_01 450.8536 Incredible. 451.5429 378 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 451.7405 I did 452.1663 379 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 452.1663 (pause 0.41) 452.5775 380 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 452.5775 England three times, Paris three times, /even in/ South Africa. 456.2609 381 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 456.2609 (pause 0.77) 457.0336 382 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 457.0336 Uh. 457.4068 383 LES_int_01 457.6307 Wow. 458.3946 384 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 458.6609 Australia, Melbourne 460.0642 385 LES_int_01 460.4549 Wonderful. 461.3198 386 LES_int_01 461.3198 (pause 0.26) 461.5832 387 LES_int_01 461.5832 That's [wonderful.] 462.3954 388 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 461.7676 [Hm.] 461.9476 389 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 462.4393 All these different police. 463.6817 390 LES_int_01 464.9315 They wanted to learn from the model that you guys had created. 468.0661 391 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 468.0661 That's correct. 468.5710 392 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 469.1900 So, 469.7300 393 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 469.7300 (pause 0.43) 470.1647 394 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 470.1647 I will say to you. 471.1202 395 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 471.1202 (pause 1.94) 473.0651 396 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 473.0651 The first lesson 473.8817 397 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 473.8817 (pause 0.29) 474.1715 398 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 474.1715 we learned, 474.8256 399 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 474.8256 (pause 0.29) 475.1154 400 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 475.1154 thank God I learned it, 476.1252 401 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 476.1252 (pause 0.97) 477.0961 402 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 477.0961 is how do you live in a nei- in a building 479.6293 403 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 479.6293 (pause 0.22) 479.8532 404 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 479.8532 in a city 480.6786 405 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 480.6786 (pause 0.19) 480.8674 406 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 480.8674 in a neighborhood with people different races, creeds, and color? 483.6524 407 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 483.6524 (pause 1.08) 484.7281 408 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 484.7281 Without killing each other. 485.7729 409 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 485.7729 (pause 0.39) 486.1637 410 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 486.1637 Why is that important? It's important because when tragedy hits, 489.0535 411 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 489.0535 (pause 1.26) 490.3136 412 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 490.3136 if this bond had not 491.3436 413 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 491.3436 (pause 0.24) 491.5807 414 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 491.5807 been 491.8397 415 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 491.8397 (pause 0.14) 491.9758 416 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 491.9758 m- been 492.4719 417 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 492.4719 (pause 0.38) 492.8539 418 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 492.8539 been created, when tragedy hit as of Nine Eleven, 495.3958 419 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 495.3958 (pause 0.31) 495.7011 420 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 495.7011 and we saw what real hate was. 497.1718 421 LES_int_01 497.2947 Mm. 497.7865 422 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 498.5855 Or, when the lights went out 499.7884 423 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 499.7884 (pause 0.55) 500.3416 424 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 500.3416 and we saw how much we really needed one another, we were all there in the backyard with the barbecue going, and everybody took 505.6571 425 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 505.6571 (pause 0.19) 505.8492 426 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 505.8492 food out of their refrigerator because they didn't want it to spoil, and that's how we ate. 508.8901 427 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 508.8901 (pause 0.36) 509.2501 428 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 509.2501 Cause lights didn't come on here til almost three days. 511.5067 429 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 511.5067 (pause 2.17) 513.6755 430 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 513.6755 Or, it could be something as simple as your landlord writing you a letter telling you that in less than a year, 518.2267 431 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 518.2267 (pause 1.25) 519.4780 432 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 519.4780 you are not going to be subsidized anymore, the contract is up. 522.4004 433 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 522.4004 (pause 1.53) 523.9282 434 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 523.9282 Tra- 524.2618 435 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 524.2618 (pause 0.64) 524.9019 436 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 524.9019 That happened in two thousand and four, and there's a good chance the person you reach out to 529.0287 437 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 529.0287 (pause 2.18) 531.2048 438 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 531.2048 and person that you 533.0004 439 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 533.0004 (pause 1.10) 534.1024 440 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 534.1024 or extend a helping hand to will look very different than you. 536.6428 441 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 536.6428 (pause 0.24) 536.8843 442 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 536.8843 They will either be a different race, 538.2804 443 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 538.2804 (pause 0.12) 538.3989 444 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 538.3989 a different religion, or a different sexual orientation. 541.0814 445 LES_int_01 541.2000 Yeah. 541.6214 446 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 541.6961 Or a combination of both. 542.8739 447 LES_int_01 543.0319 Yeah. 543.4271 448 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 543.7958 And unfortunately, 544.7090 449 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 544.7090 (pause 0.26) 544.9724 450 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 544.9724 you're gonna have to work very closely with them, a bond will have to be created 548.2909 451 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 548.2909 (pause 0.67) 548.9567 452 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 548.9567 if you're gonna be successful 550.3836 453 LES_int_01 550.7085 Mm-hm. 551.1343 454 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 551.3977 in keeping a roof over your head 552.9124 455 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 552.9124 (pause 0.47) 553.3821 456 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 553.3821 or getting food in your belly. 554.7811 457 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 554.7811 (pause 2.02) 556.8050 458 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 556.8050 Or relocating all together, because 558.7499 459 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 558.7499 (pause 0.24) 558.9870 460 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 558.9870 your place was damaged by the by- m- the terrorists. 562.1246 461 LES_int_01 563.4197 Mm-hm. 563.7709 462 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 563.9202 See. 564.1660 463 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 564.1660 (pause 0.15) 564.3197 464 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 564.3197 These are lessons 565.2636 465 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 565.2636 (pause 0.12) 565.3865 466 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 565.3865 that were so important 566.7153 467 LES_int_01 566.7548 Mm-hm. 567.1850 468 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 568.0938 that. 568.4363 469 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 568.4363 (pause 2.25) 570.6841 470 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 570.6841 And you can't do this with hate in your heart. 572.4387 471 LES_int_01 573.3562 Yeah. 573.7777 472 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 573.8392 You can't hate white people, you can't hate Jewish people, you can't hate 577.1934 473 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 577.1934 (pause 0.46) 577.6543 474 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 577.6543 hispanic people, and you can't hate gay people. 579.5802 475 LES_int_01 579.8172 [Yeah.] 580.1816 476 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 580.0455 [Because] they will probably be the ones that will come to your rescue. 582.5875 477 LES_int_01 582.7938 Uh-huh. 583.2812 478 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 584.1987 That's the first lesson. The second lesson is 586.1509 479 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 586.1509 (pause 0.34) 586.4933 480 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 586.4933 you must be willing to do something about it. 588.6270 481 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 588.6270 (pause 1.69) 590.3129 482 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 590.3129 And stick to it. 590.9875 483 LES_int_01 591.2158 Yeah. 591.6241 484 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 592.2211 Because at the time I moved in here, I didn't know anything about anything. 595.5973 485 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 595.5973 (pause 1.67) 597.2641 486 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 597.2641 But, by the time my contract was up in this building in two thousand and four, I was able to put a plan together 602.6098 487 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 602.6098 (pause 0.51) 603.1190 488 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 603.1190 in which to save it. 603.9736 489 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 603.9736 (pause 0.90) 604.8736 490 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 604.8736 And we got fifteen more years, so our contract is now up in two thousand nineteen. 609.5098 491 LES_int_01 610.3863 Wonderful. 610.9175 492 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 611.3697 And we were the only ones on the Lower East Side that got 613.3893 493 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 613.3893 (pause 0.25) 613.6439 494 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 613.6439 fifteen years 614.5571 495 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 614.5571 (pause 0.16) 614.7195 496 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 614.7195 at that point. 615.3407 497 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 615.3407 (pause 2.51) 617.8461 498 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 617.8461 I was able to do that because I was able to get 620.0632 499 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 620.0632 (pause 0.11) 620.1729 500 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 620.1729 all my elected officials 621.6568 501 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 621.6568 (pause 1.04) 622.7017 502 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 622.7017 and 623.0925 503 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 623.0925 (pause 0.32) 623.4086 504 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 623.4086 the people in this building, they finally woke up. 625.4002 505 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 625.4002 (pause 1.27) 626.6690 506 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 626.6690 And 627.2925 507 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 627.2925 (pause 0.71) 627.9993 508 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 627.9993 Anyone that I could talk to, I used any vendor, 630.5573 509 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 630.5573 (pause 0.76) 631.3212 510 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 631.3212 any opportunity, whether it was a rally, a press conference, 634.5525 511 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 634.5525 (pause 0.50) 635.0574 512 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 635.0574 to 635.3691 513 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 635.3691 (pause 0.21) 635.5754 514 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 635.5754 air my cause. 636.6232 515 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 636.6232 (pause 0.11) 636.7285 516 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 636.7285 To give it some publicity. 637.8920 517 LES_int_01 638.0544 Right. 638.4583 518 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 638.6207 The New York Times came here and did a article 640.7588 519 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 640.7588 (pause 0.57) 641.3252 520 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 641.3252 on the building. 641.9602 521 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 641.9602 (pause 0.78) 642.7373 522 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 642.7373 I was gonna make the cover, but 644.1817 523 LES_int_01 645.2112 [] 645.8434 524 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 645.5251 [I was.] But, 646.7632 525 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 646.8861 something else 647.9359 526 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 647.9359 (pause 0.23) 648.1686 527 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 648.1686 took [the cover that day.] I was in the Metro [section. Front the.] 651.3605 528 LES_int_01 648.6868 [Something else.] 649.5473 529 LES_int_01 649.5473 (pause 1.12) 650.6668 530 LES_int_01 650.6668 [Oh.] 651.4746 531 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 652.1025 Huge 652.5283 532 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 652.5283 (pause 0.69) 653.2176 533 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 653.2176 [Yeah.] 653.7676 534 LES_int_01 653.2176 [That's still] pretty good. 654.3707 535 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 654.5288 Uh. 655.2049 536 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 655.2049 (pause 0.31) 655.5122 537 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 655.5122 Yeah, 655.8371 538 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 655.8371 (pause 0.12) 655.9556 539 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 655.9556 the cover would have been even better. 656.9215 540 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 656.9215 (pause 0.53) 657.4527 541 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 657.4527 [And. (laughing)] 658.2605 542 LES_int_01 657.4571 [] 658.8312 543 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 658.9015 And um, 659.8630 544 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 659.8630 (pause 1.11) 660.9722 545 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 660.9722 then I learned 661.9907 546 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 661.9907 (pause 1.53) 663.5186 547 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 663.5186 how to get a bill passed, because right after that, 665.8630 548 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 665.8630 (pause 0.20) 666.0649 549 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 666.0649 Alan Gerson wrote Local Law Seventy Nine. 668.0741 550 LES_int_01 668.9873 Which one was that? 669.6459 551 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 669.9971 That is the one that gave tenants the right 672.2039 552 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 672.2039 (pause 0.21) 672.4102 553 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 672.4102 to buy their building. 673.3849 554 LES_int_01 674.3683 [Oh.] 674.9785 555 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 674.6624 [Oh.] 675.6634 556 LES_int_01 675.9268 Mm-hm 676.3351 557 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 676.5810 And for once, black 677.7752 558 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 677.7752 (pause 0.19) 677.9639 559 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 677.9639 people, hispanic 679.0380 560 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 679.0380 (pause 0.16) 679.1961 561 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 679.1961 people, white people, poor people, all came together, and stayed together for the two years to make sure that bill passed the city council. 686.7979 562 LES_int_01 686.9910 Mm-hm. 687.6293 563 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 687.7083 And we passed a bill 689.0385 564 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 689.0385 (pause 1.63) 690.6671 565 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 690.6671 by forty-eight to three. 692.0807 566 LES_int_01 693.1153 Wow. 693.6773 567 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 694.1383 That's right. 694.7353 568 LES_int_01 694.7255 That's pretty good. 695.5651 569 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 695.9866 And the mayor was smoking. 697.2554 570 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 697.2554 (pause 1.14) 698.3925 571 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 698.3925 He overrid, but nobody was concerned about his little exercise of penmanship. 701.7967 572 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 701.7967 (pause 0.87) 702.6659 573 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 702.6659 So that's why- no, because we had the override automatically. 705.4318 574 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 705.4318 (pause 1.83) 707.2610 575 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 707.2610 We overrid it forty-five to three. 708.8811 576 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 708.8811 (pause 0.16) 709.0435 577 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 709.0435 Five people went on vacation, it was August. 711.0850 578 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 711.0850 (pause 2.00) 713.0898 579 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 713.0898 That's right. And the mayor went to court. 715.2498 580 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 715.2498 (pause 0.23) 715.4781 581 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 715.4781 That's the reason why he went into court, to make sure that 718.2259 582 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 718.2259 (pause 0.30) 718.5244 583 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 718.5244 he get the power to select what bills he can affor- w- enforce. 721.9558 584 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 721.9558 (pause 0.76) 722.7197 585 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 722.7197 And why the city council let him get away with that, I don't know. 725.0553 586 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 725.0553 (pause 1.28) 726.3373 587 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 726.3373 But, this man has too much power. But, back to the Lower East Side, 729.3830 588 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 729.3830 (pause 0.75) 730.1337 589 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 730.1337 [I've] seen changes. 731.6176 590 LES_int_01 730.1337 [Yeah.] 730.5552 591 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 731.8240 [From] the time I moved here, 733.2157 592 LES_int_01 731.8240 [Yeah.] 732.0654 593 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 733.5933 where the organizing was rich, 735.6683 594 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 735.6683 (pause 0.49) 736.1557 595 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 736.1557 and there were small businesses and ma and pop businesses, 738.7591 596 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 738.7591 (pause 0.31) 739.0708 597 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 739.0708 and you could go knock on. You could go into a store with your 742.1407 598 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 742.1407 (pause 0.13) 742.2680 599 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 742.2680 flyers 743.0714 600 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 743.0714 (pause 0.53) 743.6026 601 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 743.6026 and your 744.4763 602 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 744.4763 (pause 0.92) 745.3983 603 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 745.3983 material 746.2983 604 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 746.2983 (pause 0.24) 746.5338 605 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 746.5338 will- 746.8455 606 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 746.8455 (pause 0.32) 747.1704 607 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 747.1704 will you post this? Will you join this? 749.0275 608 LES_int_01 749.3787 Yeah. 749.6246 609 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 749.7826 And we all worked together here. 751.4158 610 LES_int_01 751.6265 Uh-huh. 751.9251 611 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 752.1797 That's the way we survived. 753.5260 612 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 753.5260 (pause 0.98) 754.5094 613 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 754.5094 That doesn't exist anymore. 755.7958 614 LES_int_01 757.2402 What happened? 757.8548 615 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 758.3158 Well, 758.7050 616 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 758.7050 (pause 0.10) 758.8016 617 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 758.8016 they brought in a lot of 760.2548 618 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 760.2548 (pause 0.21) 760.4655 619 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 760.4655 high end businesses, a lot of bars, 763.2709 620 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 763.2709 (pause 0.73) 764.0041 621 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 764.0041 a lot of people 765.1221 622 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 765.1221 (pause 0.84) 765.9607 623 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 765.9607 paying 766.5182 624 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 766.5182 (pause 0.14) 766.6631 625 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 766.6631 two thousand five hundred dollars. The rent- 768.6519 626 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 768.6519 (pause 0.32) 768.9724 627 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 768.9724 rent- 769.2182 628 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 769.2182 (pause 0.15) 769.3675 629 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 769.3675 r- um, 770.0173 630 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 770.0173 (pause 0.29) 770.3114 631 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 770.3114 vacancy decontrol killed us. 771.8359 632 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 771.8359 (pause 1.55) 773.3900 633 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 773.3900 Literally. [The landlords] have taken advantage of this 776.5318 634 LES_int_01 773.9355 [Yeah.] 774.2429 635 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 777.0850 to make this money and they have 778.6875 636 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 778.6875 (pause 0.17) 778.8555 637 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 778.8555 thrown out a lot of the people that were here. 781.2175 638 LES_int_01 782.2536 Yeah. 782.6400 639 LES_int_01 782.6400 (pause 0.32) 782.9604 640 LES_int_01 782.9604 So, you're talking about kind of 784.3192 641 LES_int_01 784.3192 (pause 0.17) 784.4861 642 LES_int_01 784.4861 gentrification 785.3658 643 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 785.6292 [Wholesale.] 786.5906 644 LES_int_01 785.6292 [in the neighborhood.] 786.3667 645 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 786.9052 Wholesale. 787.6647 646 LES_int_01 787.8403 Yeah. 788.1828 647 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 788.7008 Every- now. 789.5833 648 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 789.5833 (pause 0.29) 789.8731 649 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 789.8731 [Ever-] 790.2418 650 LES_int_01 789.8731 [What do you] think about that? 791.0101 651 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 791.9058 I think it's the destruction of the Lower East Side. It takes away from its power. 795.4823 652 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 795.4823 (pause 0.50) 795.9872 653 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 795.9872 See, what made the Lower East Side special 798.2658 654 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 798.2658 (pause 0.13) 798.3931 655 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 798.3931 and different and powerful 799.9868 656 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 799.9868 (pause 0.34) 800.3277 657 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 800.3277 is that everyone who came from a different place learned from someone else. 803.9233 658 LES_int_01 804.1077 Mm-hm. 804.7706 659 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 806.0175 And, 806.5691 660 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 806.5691 (pause 0.59) 807.1574 661 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 807.1574 this buil- this area was conducive to organizing, to uh, 811.8814 662 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 811.8814 (pause 0.41) 812.2882 663 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 812.2882 advocacy. 813.0784 664 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 813.0784 (pause 0.48) 813.5613 665 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 813.5613 And it took the average person and turned them into someone that cared about it's community 817.9648 666 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 817.9648 (pause 0.37) 818.3321 667 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 818.3321 that was 818.7404 668 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 818.7404 (pause 0.10) 818.8413 669 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 818.8413 educated about it's community and the different issues and that was able to 822.7136 670 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 822.7136 (pause 0.17) 822.8804 671 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 822.8804 put all of that action into a- 824.8106 672 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 824.8106 (pause 0.69) 825.5043 673 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 825.5043 a 825.7457 674 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 825.7457 (pause 0.17) 825.9126 675 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 825.9126 act 826.4218 676 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 826.4218 (pause 1.16) 827.5853 677 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 827.5853 with other people 828.4282 678 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 828.4282 (pause 0.22) 828.6433 679 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 828.6433 to make 829.0297 680 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 829.0297 (pause 0.12) 829.1482 681 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 829.1482 things to change things to make a difference. 831.2672 682 LES_int_01 831.2672 Right. 831.7018 683 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 832.3033 That 832.5360 684 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 832.5360 (pause 0.29) 832.8214 685 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 832.8214 is going by the wayside, because when you bring in white rich people. Excuse the front, but 837.1969 686 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 837.1969 (pause 0.21) 837.4033 687 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 837.4033 [yuppies.] 837.9389 688 LES_int_01 837.8449 [No,] it's fine. 838.6044 689 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 839.0672 Oh, who will argue with the captain of your precinct 842.0580 690 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 842.0580 (pause 0.62) 842.6814 691 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 842.6814 because he asked them 843.7658 692 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 843.7658 (pause 0.42) 844.1829 693 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 844.1829 on Ludlow Street 845.1137 694 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 845.1137 (pause 0.14) 845.2542 695 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 845.2542 uh, 845.5703 696 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 845.5703 (pause 0.32) 845.8907 697 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 845.8907 could you keep down the noise and not smoke? 847.9263 698 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 847.9263 (pause 0.42) 848.3478 699 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 848.3478 Because the smoke is going around. 849.4497 700 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 849.4497 (pause 0.17) 849.6210 701 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 849.6210 He told 'em, look bitch, 850.6615 702 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 850.6615 (pause 0.84) 851.5044 703 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 851.5044 I pay two thousand five hundred dollars in this bitch, I will make as much noise as I want to here, and I will smoke as many cigarettes 857.2190 704 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 857.2190 (pause 0.10) 857.3200 705 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 857.3200 I want to. I'm outside. Get the fuck out of my face. 859.9476 706 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 859.9476 (pause 1.47) 861.4176 707 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 861.4176 You see, 861.7996 708 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 861.7996 (pause 0.29) 862.0893 709 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 862.0893 I feel on one hand, 863.4488 710 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 863.4488 (pause 0.65) 864.1029 711 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 864.1029 sorry for the captain, on the other hand, no, because see this is what they wanted. 867.3322 712 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 867.3322 (pause 0.86) 868.1903 713 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 868.1903 They weren't happy 869.0464 714 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 869.0464 (pause 0.30) 869.3434 715 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 869.3434 when it was Hispanics and Blacks. 870.9064 716 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 870.9064 (pause 0.53) 871.4376 717 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 871.4376 E- No. 872.1269 718 LES_int_01 872.5132 Mm-hm. 873.0417 719 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 873.0417 They thought that when 874.1552 720 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 874.3176 they brought in the whites, 875.5541 721 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 875.5541 (pause 0.49) 876.0459 722 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 876.0459 they were gonna have 876.8627 723 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 876.8627 (pause 0.14) 877.0002 724 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 877.0002 you know, 877.3278 725 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 877.3278 (pause 0.34) 877.6703 726 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 877.6703 less crime and 878.9171 727 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 878.9171 (pause 1.26) 880.1727 728 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 880.1727 uh, they were gonna have less issues, and 882.5940 729 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 882.5940 (pause 0.76) 883.3494 730 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 883.3494 people that they could work with and be quiet whe- 885.6050 731 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 885.6050 (pause 0.21) 885.8195 732 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 885.8195 n- 886.0014 733 LES_int_01 886.4677 Yeah. 886.8081 734 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 887.1531 mm- no. 887.6940 735 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 887.6940 (pause 0.71) 888.4028 736 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 888.4028 No. 888.8131 737 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 888.8131 (pause 0.81) 889.6186 738 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 889.6186 Different crime. 890.5885 739 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 890.5885 (pause 0.11) 890.6958 740 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 890.6958 Yes. 891.3020 741 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 891.3020 (pause 0.48) 891.7776 742 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 891.7776 Different issues, yes. 892.9619 743 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 892.9619 (pause 0.14) 893.0972 744 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 893.0972 But not in- 893.6101 745 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 893.6101 (pause 0.51) 894.1183 746 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 894.1183 in severity. 894.8318 747 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 894.8318 (pause 0.30) 895.1302 748 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 895.1302 And I've actually heard white people 897.0875 749 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 897.0875 (pause 0.31) 897.3999 750 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 897.3999 now 897.8195 751 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 897.8195 (pause 0.31) 898.1320 752 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 898.1320 o- at these meetings 899.4469 753 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 899.4469 (pause 0.15) 899.6008 754 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 899.6008 they had that bar thing, 900.6592 755 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 900.6592 (pause 0.68) 901.3435 756 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 901.3435 well, what do you want? The drugs or the alcohol? 903.8755 757 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 903.8755 (pause 2.11) 905.9846 758 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 905.9846 Like, knowing with the alcohol comes ecstasy 908.3906 759 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 908.3906 (pause 0.17) 908.5631 760 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 908.5631 and um, 909.2755 761 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 909.2755 (pause 0.33) 909.6019 762 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 909.6019 methamphetamine. 910.5158 763 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 910.5158 (pause 1.11) 911.6223 764 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 911.6223 Mm-hm. 911.9613 765 LES_int_01 912.1165 Mm-hm. 912.5735 766 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 912.6574 Yeah, they don't know that. 913.7392 767 LES_int_01 913.8045 Yeah. 914.2242 768 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 914.3641 Mm-hm. 914.7371 769 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 914.7371 (pause 0.07) 914.8070 770 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 914.8070 ecstasy, designer drugs and meth. 916.6066 771 LES_int_01 917.9728 Yeah. 918.3552 772 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 918.4298 Mm-hm. 918.8634 773 LES_int_01 919.8613 What else have you seen change since you've been here? 921.9692 774 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 922.8411 A lot of luxury housing. 924.0861 775 LES_int_01 924.4825 Mm-hm. 924.8835 776 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 925.6302 Putting you in odds 927.0018 777 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 927.0018 (pause 0.14) 927.1417 778 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 927.1417 in your neighborhood for people that 928.5955 779 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 928.5955 (pause 0.18) 928.7727 780 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 928.7727 have millions of dollars, I mean really rich people. 931.4802 781 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 931.4802 (pause 1.20) 932.6821 782 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 932.6821 They had literally had 934.2302 783 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 934.2302 (pause 0.72) 934.9483 784 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 934.9483 around the corner on New York Finds 937.5921 785 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 937.5921 (pause 0.12) 937.7087 786 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 937.7087 on Sunday morning at eight thirty 939.5867 787 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 939.5867 (pause 0.11) 939.6940 788 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 939.6940 where they 940.0623 789 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 940.0623 (pause 0.38) 940.4447 790 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 940.4447 showcase all those rich. 942.3378 791 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 942.3378 (pause 0.96) 943.2984 792 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 943.2984 Yes. 944.0118 793 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 944.0118 (pause 0.15) 944.1610 794 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 944.1610 All those rich 945.1671 795 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 945.1671 (pause 0.71) 945.8758 796 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 945.8758 condos. 946.7524 797 LES_int_01 946.9390 Yeah. 947.2374 798 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 948.1700 Fif- they were talking about 949.1645 799 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 949.1645 (pause 0.14) 949.3044 800 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 949.3044 Attorney Street. 950.0864 801 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 950.0864 (pause 0.78) 950.8700 802 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 950.8700 Around the corner from here. 952.0730 803 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 952.0730 (pause 1.31) 953.3787 804 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 953.3787 [That building.] 954.1014 805 LES_int_01 953.3787 [The r- the] red [building?] 955.0200 806 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 954.6656 [Yes.] 955.5003 807 LES_int_01 955.5003 I just walked by it, I hadn't seen it [before .] 957.6997 808 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 957.2664 [Yes.] 958.4461 809 LES_int_01 958.0637 [Yeah.] 958.4461 810 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 959.0289 One point five million. 960.3066 811 LES_int_01 960.4698 Oh God. 961.4909 812 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 963.7420 Then we had the building on Avenue B. 965.4160 813 LES_int_01 966.8148 Mm-hm. 967.1739 814 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 967.1739 That's another one. 967.8500 815 LES_int_01 968.2790 Go for it. 968.6427 816 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 975.4561 That's telemarketing. 976.5006 817 LES_int_01 978.6036 Yeah, that does look like 979.3170 818 LES_int_01 979.3170 (pause 0.16) 979.4755 819 LES_int_01 979.4755 a 979.6774 820 LES_int_01 979.6774 (pause 0.47) 980.1484 821 LES_int_01 980.1484 a hundred and fourteen HD channels. 982.4705 822 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 983.4569 See, what [the don't understand this is] 984.8985 823 LES_int_01 984.3949 [Don't] do that. 985.3928 824 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 985.3928 This is not a private home. 986.8989 825 LES_int_01 987.5237 Yeah. 987.8677 826 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 987.9563 And um. 988.8329 827 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 988.8329 (pause 1.37) 990.2053 828 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 990.2053 See, 990.4990 829 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 990.4990 (pause 1.19) 991.6927 830 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 991.6927 n- 991.8373 831 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 991.8373 (pause 0.28) 992.1124 832 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 992.1124 you know, 992.4668 833 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 992.4668 (pause 2.14) 994.6020 834 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 994.6020 telemarketing this [is not] a private home man. 996.8753 835 LES_int_01 995.4904 [Yeah.] 995.6816 836 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 998.6217 [When.] 999.3958 837 LES_int_01 998.6217 [Do you work] out of your home? 999.7921 838 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1000.4578 No, but this is not a private home. 1002.0338 839 LES_int_01 1002.3322 Yeah. 1002.6820 840 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1002.9711 You can't put 1003.6379 841 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1003.6379 (pause 0.11) 1003.7498 842 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1003.7498 any kind of cable system in this building. 1005.6802 843 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1005.6802 (pause 0.18) 1005.8621 844 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1005.8621 Unless, you get the landlord's [approval.] 1007.7624 845 LES_int_01 1006.9365 [Oh.] I see. [Alright.] 1008.6530 846 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1008.5922 [Cause] I don't own this apartment I just rent this [apartment.] 1011.7112 847 LES_int_01 1011.4315 [Right,] right [right, right.] 1012.6811 848 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1012.1589 [So, you] calling the wrong person. 1013.5505 849 LES_int_01 1013.5971 Right. (laughing) 1014.1007 850 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1016.1804 Yeah. So. 1016.9964 851 LES_int_01 1017.1969 So, what do you do with your time now /RD-NAME-2/? 1018.9292 852 LES_int_01 1018.9292 (pause 0.28) 1019.2090 853 LES_int_01 1019.2090 Are you retired? 1020.0064 854 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1020.1463 No, uh. 1021.2187 855 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1021.2187 (pause 2.30) 1023.5175 856 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1023.5175 We still have a lot of issues. 1025.0272 857 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1025.0272 (pause 0.21) 1025.2417 858 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1025.2417 One, 1025.6147 859 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1025.6147 (pause 0.52) 1026.1369 860 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1026.1369 that contract that I fought so hard to get here, 1028.6642 861 LES_int_01 1028.9860 Yeah. 1029.2844 862 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1029.2844 It's not secure. 1030.2776 863 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1031.0971 It's subject to appropriation. 1032.5892 864 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1032.5892 (pause 0.55) 1033.1395 865 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1033.1395 What that means is 1034.0860 866 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1034.0860 (pause 0.32) 1034.4078 867 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1034.4078 if they don't appropriate /enouch/ enough money, 1036.5423 868 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1036.5423 (pause 0.45) 1036.9946 869 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1036.9946 to cover the contract, then there is no contract. 1039.4835 870 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1039.4835 (pause 1.11) 1040.5932 871 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1040.5932 And these people 1041.4092 872 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1041.4092 (pause 0.18) 1041.5864 873 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1041.5864 can be thrown out. 1042.6682 874 LES_int_01 1043.2791 Okay. 1043.6521 875 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1043.7267 O- 1043.8852 876 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1043.8852 (pause 0.23) 1044.1126 877 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1044.1126 into the street. 1044.8866 878 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1044.8866 (pause 0.19) 1045.0778 879 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1045.0778 And within [thirty days.] 1046.3181 880 LES_int_01 1045.9264 [Everybody?] 1046.6119 881 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1046.7378 Everybody. 1047.2693 882 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1047.2693 (pause 0.12) 1047.3859 883 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1047.3859 [If] 1047.6890 884 LES_int_01 1047.4699 [The] entire building? 1048.5656 885 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1048.7848 If 1049.2697 886 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1049.2697 (pause 0.26) 1049.5309 887 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1049.5309 the landlord gets really nasty 1051.3342 888 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1051.3342 (pause 0.32) 1051.6560 889 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1051.6560 and decides 1052.5279 890 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1052.5279 (pause 0.38) 1052.9056 891 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1052.9056 he wants to change the use of the building. 1055.2977 892 LES_int_01 1057.9964 And they vacate, and then 1059.5631 893 LES_int_01 1059.5631 (pause 0.27) 1059.8336 894 LES_int_01 1059.8336 this apartment is 1060.9946 895 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1061.1951 [Sold.] 1061.8701 896 LES_int_01 1061.4889 [/inaudible/ dollars.] 1062.4110 897 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1062.4576 No, it's sold. 1063.8612 898 LES_int_01 1064.3414 Oh, [become.] 1065.1994 899 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1065.0129 [Use] 1065.6610 900 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1065.7496 of the building, instead of from a rental, [he goes to a condo.] 1069.0498 901 LES_int_01 1067.5064 [ Ah, he goes to] condo. Okay. 1070.0477 902 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1070.2249 Or a co-op. 1071.1434 903 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1071.1434 (pause 1.34) 1072.4817 904 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1072.4817 You will not get a voucher to stay here. 1074.3597 905 LES_int_01 1075.3715 Mm-hm. 1075.7492 906 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1075.9404 You will have to leave. 1076.8823 907 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1076.8823 (pause 0.73) 1077.6097 908 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1077.6097 And then we have a little thing going on called equity 1080.3037 909 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1080.3037 (pause 0.71) 1081.0172 910 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1081.0172 predatorial 1081.9218 911 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1081.9218 (pause 0.30) 1082.2202 912 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1082.2202 predatorial equity. 1083.3813 913 LES_int_01 1083.6004 Yeah. 1083.9315 914 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1085.0506 My good friend, /RD-NAME-4/, 1086.5807 915 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1086.5807 (pause 0.54) 1087.1170 916 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1087.1170 who was the president of the tenant association, 1089.3806 917 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1089.3806 (pause 0.55) 1089.9355 918 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1089.9355 at /RD-ADDRESS-8/ 1091.9547 919 LES_int_01 1092.2671 [Mm-hm.] 1092.5820 920 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1092.3790 [building] was just bought in the month of October for a hundred and seventy million. 1095.9525 921 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1098.7210 Now, the building's only four hundred and ninety units. 1101.3423 922 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1101.3423 (pause 1.47) 1102.8146 923 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1102.8146 Okay. 1103.2949 924 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1103.2949 (pause 1.43) 1104.7264 925 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1104.7264 And the contract is up on that in two thousand ten. 1107.0998 926 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1107.0998 (pause 2.33) 1109.4301 927 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1109.4301 So, you know what the landlord plans to do there. 1111.2720 928 LES_int_01 1111.4025 Sure. 1111.7756 929 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1112.9087 If he changes the building into a condo, 1115.3462 930 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1115.3462 (pause 1.66) 1117.0062 931 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1117.0062 if you can't afford to buy your apartment, 1118.9040 932 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1118.9040 (pause 0.11) 1119.0112 933 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1119.0112 you will have to leave. 1120.1432 934 LES_int_01 1120.3903 Yeah. 1120.6141 935 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1121.1690 And there's a lot of seniors in there. 1122.6938 936 LES_int_01 1122.9922 Yeah. 1123.4305 937 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1123.9621 Where are they going? 1124.9600 938 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1124.9600 (pause 2.68) 1127.6446 939 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1127.6446 And he can inflict this within thirty days 1130.0507 940 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1130.0507 (pause 0.58) 1130.6335 941 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1130.6335 after the contract expires. 1132.2318 942 LES_int_01 1135.3800 Incredible. 1135.9769 943 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1135.9489 Because, you [see, that's wha-] 1137.0480 944 LES_int_01 1136.5538 [So, you spend] your time organizing? 1138.1625 945 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1138.5821 Yeah, so lo- local law seventy-nine was- 1140.8856 946 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1140.8856 (pause 0.19) 1141.0721 947 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1141.0721 was put 1141.5710 948 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1141.5710 (pause 0.21) 1141.7762 949 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1141.7762 t- was passed to- 1142.7123 950 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1142.7123 (pause 0.59) 1143.2998 951 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1143.2998 to offset that. 1144.2930 952 LES_int_01 1144.6787 Yeah. 1144.9551 953 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1144.9551 But the st- state shut it down because they said the city did not have a right 1148.4010 954 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1148.5549 to 1148.9031 955 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1148.9031 (pause 0.63) 1149.5326 956 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1149.5326 to restrict sales. 1150.7962 957 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1150.7962 (pause 2.13) 1152.9270 958 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1152.9270 And now we got this predatory lending. 1154.6522 959 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1154.6522 (pause 0.73) 1155.3796 960 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1155.3796 And it's. 1156.0651 961 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1156.0651 (pause 0.10) 1156.1677 962 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1156.1677 E- my building could be sold for the same amount. 1158.3861 963 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1158.3861 (pause 0.28) 1158.6705 964 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1158.6705 They don't care about 1159.4166 965 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1159.4166 (pause 0.17) 1159.5891 966 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1159.5891 a- 1159.8036 967 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1159.8036 (pause 0.83) 1160.6382 968 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1160.6382 a fifteen year old HAP contract. 1162.4008 969 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1162.4008 (pause 0.57) 1162.9744 970 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1162.9744 They'll find some creative way to get out of it. 1164.6490 971 LES_int_01 1165.3904 So, you gotta continue to fight for your building. 1167.2928 972 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1167.5586 No, you have to stay vig- vigilant. 1169.1766 973 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1169.1766 (pause 0.23) 1169.4051 974 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1169.4051 And make sure that your building doesn't fall under that 1172.2390 975 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1172.2390 (pause 0.24) 1172.4815 976 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1172.4815 and make sure if they try to sell it, their HUD 1174.6590 977 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1174.6590 (pause 0.47) 1175.1253 978 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1175.1253 at least 1175.9507 979 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1175.9507 (pause 0.86) 1176.8122 980 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1176.8122 is aware of it and is willing to do something about it because HUD can nix a sale. 1180.5938 981 LES_int_01 1181.5547 Okay. 1181.9790 982 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1182.4500 As they did in Starrett City in Brooklyn. 1184.4457 983 LES_int_01 1184.8887 Hm. 1185.2512 984 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1185.2512 Remember? 1185.6895 985 LES_int_01 1185.8061 Uh, no. I'm not familiar. 1187.0091 986 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1187.0091 Yeah. 1187.6200 987 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1187.8438 In Brooklyn, you know were Starrett City is in Brooklyn? 1189.6763 988 LES_int_01 1189.6763 Yeah. [Yeah.] 1190.3478 989 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1190.1146 [Oh, yeah.] 1190.3524 990 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1190.6275 They were- that wa- tha- that was 1191.9419 991 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1191.9419 (pause 0.17) 1192.1144 992 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1192.1144 uh, supposed to be bought and the city had said no. 1194.7210 993 LES_int_01 1194.8236 Oh, okay. 1195.4904 994 LES_int_01 1195.4904 (pause 0.66) 1196.1478 995 LES_int_01 1196.1478 Okay. 1196.4230 996 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1196.4230 But, it didn't help 1197.3917 997 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1198.4735 Independence Plaza. 1199.5833 998 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1199.5833 (pause 0.15) 1199.7371 999 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1199.7371 That was bought for a hundred and fifty million. 1201.4484 1000 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1201.4484 (pause 1.56) 1203.0058 1001 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1203.0058 You know, Independence, [uh-huh.] 1204.5574 1002 LES_int_01 1203.8999 [Mm-hm.] 1204.5574 1003 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1205.1543 And the rents are going up. They're sky high and they have them in court and they're still having that issue. 1208.9825 1004 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1208.9825 (pause 0.31) 1209.2940 1005 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1209.2940 That's a /???/ when that came out. 1210.7906 1006 LES_int_01 1211.0937 Yeah. 1211.5086 1007 LES_int_01 1211.5086 (pause 0.33) 1211.8397 1008 LES_int_01 1211.8397 Yeah. 1212.1335 1009 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1212.3013 See. 1212.5811 1010 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1212.5811 (pause 0.21) 1212.7863 1011 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1212.7863 And. 1213.1966 1012 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1213.1966 (pause 0.48) 1213.6769 1013 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1213.6769 Times is hard, you can't be just 1215.5596 1014 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1215.5596 (pause 0.14) 1215.7029 1015 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1215.7029 /disaplay-/ di- 1216.7446 1016 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1216.7446 (pause 0.31) 1217.0523 1017 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1217.0523 you know, 1217.4673 1018 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1217.4673 (pause 0.35) 1217.8171 1019 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1217.8171 displacing people on a whole sale. 1219.5703 1020 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1219.5703 (pause 0.30) 1219.8681 1021 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1219.8681 And these developments are large. 1221.5474 1022 LES_int_01 1222.1116 Oh, yeah. 1222.8501 1023 LES_int_01 1222.8501 (pause 0.33) 1223.1812 1024 LES_int_01 1223.1812 You know, I- 1223.6428 1025 LES_int_01 1223.6428 (pause 0.24) 1223.8806 1026 LES_int_01 1223.8806 I made a mistake. 1224.8552 1027 LES_int_01 1224.8552 (pause 0.34) 1225.1956 1028 LES_int_01 1225.1956 Because it's /RD-ADDRESS-5/, 1226.8789 1029 LES_int_01 1226.8789 (pause 0.44) 1227.3218 1030 LES_int_01 1227.3218 when I came in the building, 1228.5016 1031 LES_int_01 1228.5016 (pause 0.65) 1229.1486 1032 LES_int_01 1229.1486 like a crazy person, I went to two ten, 1231.3867 1033 LES_int_01 1231.3867 (pause 0.56) 1231.9463 1034 LES_int_01 1231.9463 the ap- apartment. 1232.8602 1035 LES_int_01 1232.8602 (pause 0.39) 1233.2472 1036 LES_int_01 1233.2472 I was amazed at how huge and long the [hallway was.] 1236.3283 1037 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1235.5123 [Uh-huh.] 1236.2117 1038 LES_int_01 1236.4682 Well it's a massive building. Yeah. [Yeah.] 1238.5245 1039 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1237.8437 [That's a long.] 1238.6877 1040 LES_int_01 1239.1213 And then I g- I got there and I thought, oh. 1240.8066 1041 LES_int_01 1240.8066 (pause 0.17) 1240.9745 1042 LES_int_01 1240.9745 [Idiot. /inaudible/] 1241.5527 1043 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1241.1797 [You seeing that long hallway?] 1242.5972 1044 LES_int_01 1241.7159 [Came back to /RD-ADDRESS-3/.] Yeah. So long. 1243.6850 1045 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1243.8342 Kay, the drug dealer lived on fir- in a th- in apartment Three-o-one. Hi- his 1248.8966 1046 LES_int_01 1248.8966 Third floor, that long hallway. 1250.4954 1047 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1250.4954 Three-o-one. 1251.2881 1048 LES_int_01 1251.2881 It's kind of 1251.6891 1049 LES_int_01 1251.6891 (pause 0.10) 1251.7870 1050 LES_int_01 1251.7870 I could see how it would [be.] 1252.7802 1051 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1252.5984 [No.] Three-o-two. The- 1253.7641 1052 LES_int_01 1253.8807 Okay. 1254.2444 1053 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1254.2444 the second apartment. 1255.1863 1054 LES_int_01 1255.5267 Mm-hm. 1256.0862 1055 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1256.2867 His line was from his apartment all the way to Houston Street. 1259.2698 1056 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1259.2698 (pause 0.61) 1259.8807 1057 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1259.8807 How many people is that? 1260.7993 1058 LES_int_01 1261.0790 Incredible. 1261.9184 1059 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1262.1282 How many people can stand on a line to buy drugs? 1264.4631 1060 LES_int_01 1264.9248 Incredible. 1265.5309 1061 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1265.8014 That's ho- that's how it was in here. 1267.0557 1062 LES_int_01 1267.0557 That's incredible. 1267.8717 1063 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1268.2821 But, 1268.5187 1064 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1268.5187 (pause 0.16) 1268.6773 1065 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1268.6773 no, this place have change. It's lost its charm, it's lost its power. 1272.6407 1066 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1272.6407 (pause 0.42) 1273.0650 1067 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1273.0650 [Its lost.] See, 1273.7831 1068 LES_int_01 1273.0650 [Mm-hm.] 1273.3914 1069 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1273.8904 When you take people that were willing to fight 1276.1461 1070 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1276.1461 (pause 0.21) 1276.3559 1071 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1276.3559 together to make things better, 1278.0345 1072 LES_int_01 1278.3050 Yeah. 1278.6734 1073 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1278.7993 You lose the momentum, you lose the power. These rich people that come in here, they don't care about anybody. They want you gone. They're not gonna live next to you. 1285.7565 1074 LES_int_01 1286.0409 Yeah. 1286.3999 1075 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1286.9875 They don't wanna see your kids hanging out, they don't want to see you doing anything. 1290.5029 1076 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1290.5029 (pause 0.21) 1290.7081 1077 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1290.7081 That is not 1291.5225 1078 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1291.5225 (pause 0.44) 1291.9655 1079 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1291.9655 what their standards should be. 1293.6021 1080 LES_int_01 1293.7770 Right. 1294.2257 1081 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1294.1687 And they believe because they're paying rent, they're supposed to have special privileges. 1297.5295 1082 LES_int_01 1297.7393 Right. 1298.1729 1083 LES_int_01 1298.1729 (pause 0.30) 1298.4760 1084 LES_int_01 1298.4760 Right. 1298.7511 1085 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1299.0822 And that's a 1299.6184 1086 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1299.6184 (pause 0.10) 1299.7210 1087 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1299.7210 luxury building around the corner from me, there's gonna be one 1302.2856 1088 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1302.2856 (pause 0.70) 1302.9886 1089 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1302.9886 here up on Stanton Street. 1304.5366 1090 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1304.5366 (pause 2.01) 1306.5464 1091 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1306.5464 Mm-hm. You saw i- the- mm-hm. 1308.1877 1092 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1308.1877 (pause 0.20) 1308.3835 1093 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1308.3835 And the one next to that, 1309.2963 1094 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1309.2963 (pause 0.68) 1309.9771 1095 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1309.9771 those both [are gonna be luxury.] 1311.2407 1096 LES_int_01 1310.6252 [Yeah] I see 'em all, yeah, I do. They- they're [/inaudible/] 1313.6281 1097 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1312.7888 [Now, the only] thing 1313.7494 1098 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1313.9033 the only thing that's saving my building is that Common Ground is going to build next to me. 1318.1289 1099 LES_int_01 1318.5159 Oh, they are? 1319.2993 1100 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1319.4241 Yes. Common Ground is going to be a two hundred and sixty unit. 1322.1425 1101 LES_int_01 1322.7301 That's great. 1323.2896 1102 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1323.4248 Yeah, that's the only thing, but. 1324.7677 1103 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1324.7677 (pause 1.45) 1326.2193 1104 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1326.2193 I don't know. 1326.7788 1105 LES_int_01 1326.7788 Let me ask you. In your opinion, 1328.2185 1106 LES_int_01 1328.2185 (pause 0.37) 1328.5869 1107 LES_int_01 1328.5869 uh, 1329.2537 1108 LES_int_01 1329.2537 (pause 0.34) 1329.5941 1109 LES_int_01 1329.5941 what do you think the boundaries are of the Lower East Side as a neighborhood? 1332.8068 1110 LES_int_01 1332.8068 (pause 0.38) 1333.1892 1111 LES_int_01 1333.1892 In terms of the streets, 1334.4283 1112 LES_int_01 1334.4283 (pause 0.26) 1334.6848 1113 LES_int_01 1334.6848 people have different opinions about that. 1336.3635 1114 LES_int_01 1336.3635 (pause 0.33) 1336.6899 1115 LES_int_01 1336.6899 What's the Lower East Side to you? 1337.9955 1116 LES_int_01 1337.9955 (pause 0.43) 1338.4291 1117 LES_int_01 1338.4291 Like the 1338.7882 1118 LES_int_01 1338.7882 (pause 0.19) 1338.9793 1119 LES_int_01 1338.9793 the geographic 1339.9481 1120 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1340.2232 Okay. 1340.6382 1121 LES_int_01 1340.6801 area. 1341.0345 1122 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1342.8531 Okay. 1343.8602 1123 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1343.8602 (pause 0.22) 1344.0841 1124 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1344.0841 I used to think that 1345.1239 1125 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1345.1239 (pause 1.91) 1347.0299 1126 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1347.0299 North of Houston was the East Village, 1349.0163 1127 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1349.0163 (pause 0.72) 1349.7390 1128 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1349.7390 but it's really not. 1350.6436 1129 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1350.6436 (pause 0.51) 1351.1565 1130 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1351.1565 It's still part of the Lower East Side. 1352.7921 1131 LES_int_01 1352.8387 Yeah. 1353.4262 1132 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1353.4262 But [it's.] 1354.1117 1133 LES_int_01 1354.0137 [Historically] it was. 1355.2494 1134 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1355.2494 Historically it was, [but] 1356.5084 1135 LES_int_01 1356.2752 [Yeah.] 1356.5084 1136 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1356.6902 it's 1356.8348 1137 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1356.8348 (pause 0.12) 1356.9514 1138 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1356.9514 that's changing rapidly. 1358.2465 1139 LES_int_01 1359.1651 Yeah. 1359.4775 1140 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1360.2282 Because, um. 1361.3007 1141 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1361.3007 (pause 0.41) 1361.7110 1142 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1361.7110 They have a lot of expensive shops and a lot of expensive buildings and they killing it. 1365.0951 1143 LES_int_01 1365.3330 Yeah. 1365.5661 1144 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1365.8925 Now, the Lower East Side really is 1368.4198 1145 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1368.4198 (pause 0.32) 1368.7415 1146 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1368.7415 It's hard to say because it's- 1370.2978 1147 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1370.2978 (pause 0.14) 1370.4330 1148 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1370.4330 it's 1370.8107 1149 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1370.8107 (pause 0.70) 1371.5148 1150 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1371.5148 slowly, but surely, 1372.9743 1151 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1372.9743 (pause 0.72) 1373.6970 1152 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1373.6970 losing 1374.3685 1153 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1374.3685 (pause 0.21) 1374.5737 1154 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1374.5737 the Lower East Side. 1375.6275 1155 LES_int_01 1375.8420 Mm-hm. 1376.2931 1156 LES_int_01 1376.2931 (pause 0.27) 1376.5636 1157 LES_int_01 1376.5636 Mm-hm. 1376.9040 1158 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1377.3982 Now, we have from Houston Street 1379.7996 1159 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1379.7996 (pause 0.17) 1379.9675 1160 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1379.9675 to 1380.5923 1161 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1380.5923 (pause 0.88) 1381.4725 1162 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1381.4725 Henry Street. It still reminds you of the Lower East Side, 1384.1909 1163 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1384.1909 (pause 0.62) 1384.8158 1164 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1384.8158 And Madison Street. 1386.0188 1165 LES_int_01 1386.0188 Yeah. 1386.3918 1166 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1387.9807 For now. 1388.3631 1167 LES_int_01 1388.6149 Yeah. 1388.9739 1168 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1390.4940 They still 1391.1655 1169 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1391.1655 (pause 0.22) 1391.3846 1170 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1391.3846 have a littl- Lower East Side flavor. 1393.4643 1171 LES_int_01 1393.7207 Yeah. 1394.0367 1172 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1394.3258 Chinatown 1395.1138 1173 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1395.1138 (pause 1.64) 1396.7551 1174 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1396.7551 has the 1397.2261 1175 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1397.2261 (pause 0.27) 1397.4919 1176 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1397.4919 flavor. 1397.9302 1177 LES_int_01 1397.9861 Yeah. 1398.3498 1178 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1399.7207 But, maybe not for long. Barbey Street 1401.4822 1179 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1401.4822 (pause 1.92) 1403.4033 1180 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1403.4033 has the flavor. 1404.3405 1181 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1404.3405 (pause 0.80) 1405.1402 1182 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1405.1402 So, let's say Houston from Bowery to 1407.9704 1183 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1407.9704 (pause 0.71) 1408.6838 1184 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1408.6838 the East River. 1409.5324 1185 LES_int_01 1409.5791 Yeah. 1409.8915 1186 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1410.0687 And from Houston to 1412.2376 1187 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1412.2376 (pause 2.72) 1414.9527 1188 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1414.9527 1415.1019 1189 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1415.1019 (pause 1.59) 1416.6966 1190 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1416.6966 uh, East Broadway. 1417.9649 1191 LES_int_01 1418.7720 Okay. 1419.1684 1192 LES_int_01 1419.1684 (pause 0.96) 1420.1243 1193 LES_int_01 1420.1243 Yeah. 1420.3901 1194 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1420.7398 [It's the Lower East Side.] 1421.9418 1195 LES_int_01 1420.8880 [How abov- above] Houston? 1422.7718 1196 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1423.2941 [Going west?] 1424.1800 1197 LES_int_01 1423.4992 [You're not sure.] 1424.2499 1198 LES_int_01 1424.4505 You're not sure. 1425.0431 1199 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1425.0431 Houston going west? 1426.1529 1200 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1426.7124 No. 1427.1740 1201 LES_int_01 1426.7124 [No.] 1427.0945 1202 LES_int_01 1427.2972 Houston going north. Like n- 1428.4934 1203 LES_int_01 1428.4934 (pause 0.15) 1428.6473 1204 LES_int_01 1428.6473 wa- you know, Houston to Fourteenth 1430.0508 1205 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1431.0601 He- 1431.2233 1206 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1431.2233 (pause 0.23) 1431.4518 1207 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1431.4518 It used to be. 1432.0906 1208 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1432.0906 (pause 0.48) 1432.5663 1209 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1432.5663 But that's going. It's slowly it's- 1434.1292 1210 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1434.1292 (pause 0.15) 1434.2784 1211 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1434.2784 it's dissolving. [Why woul-] 1435.3322 1212 LES_int_01 1435.1801 [It] feels different to you? 1436.0410 1213 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1436.3301 Yeah. 1436.7404 1214 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1436.7404 (pause 0.14) 1436.8850 1215 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1436.8850 It's dissolving. 1438.0414 1216 LES_int_01 1438.2185 Mm-hm. 1438.6942 1217 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1438.8993 It's becoming more and more white. 1440.3081 1218 LES_int_01 1440.5833 Yeah. 1440.8257 1219 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1441.3573 You don't see too many Blacks anymore. 1442.9054 1220 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1442.9054 (pause 0.80) 1443.7074 1221 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1443.7074 In fact, they're trying to [get Blacks] out [of.] 1445.7579 1222 LES_int_01 1444.6422 [Getting-] 1444.9883 1223 LES_int_01 1444.9883 (pause 0.52) 1445.5061 1224 LES_int_01 1445.5061 [Getting] pushed 1446.3921 1225 LES_int_01 1446.5226 east. 1447.0216 1226 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1447.4226 No, they're trying to get Blacks out or rent stabilize 1450.2296 1227 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1450.2296 (pause 0.12) 1450.3509 1228 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1450.3509 in 1450.7053 1229 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1450.7053 (pause 0.66) 1451.3630 1230 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1451.3630 little tiny /??/ apartments. 1452.8933 1231 LES_int_01 1453.0239 Yeah. 1453.3223 1232 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1453.3549 You're not gonna see any Blacks or Hispanics. 1455.0382 1233 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1455.0382 (pause 0.33) 1455.3643 1234 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1455.3643 I notice in all the bars that they created, 1457.5087 1235 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1457.5087 (pause 0.20) 1457.7045 1236 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1457.7045 and you know how many bars [we have.] 1459.0381 1237 LES_int_01 1458.6371 [Oh] yeah. 1459.5603 1238 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1459.6396 Have you ever noticed this? How many blacks do you see in there? 1461.6278 1239 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1461.6278 (pause 1.57) 1463.2027 1240 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1463.2027 Go to the [bars?] 1464.0747 1241 LES_int_01 1463.8462 [I don't] go. 1465.0306 1242 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1465.0912 No, but if you ever look in there. 1466.4248 1243 LES_int_01 1466.7232 Yeah. 1467.0916 1244 LES_int_01 1467.0916 (pause 0.24) 1467.3294 1245 LES_int_01 1467.3294 Not a lot. 1467.8843 1246 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1468.7318 Uh-huh. 1469.1095 1247 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1469.1095 (pause 0.61) 1469.7157 1248 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1469.7157 Why is that? 1470.2193 1249 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1470.2193 (pause 0.94) 1471.1565 1250 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1471.1565 Black people don't like to drink? 1472.3922 1251 LES_int_01 1472.5694 1473.3061 1252 LES_int_01 1473.3061 (pause 1.46) 1474.7644 1253 LES_int_01 1474.7644 Uh. So. 1475.6271 1254 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1476.3685 Mm? 1476.6949 1255 LES_int_01 1476.6949 Different clientele. 1477.5948 1256 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1478.4528 No. I mean, can you believe that? 1480.0605 1257 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1480.0605 (pause 0.17) 1480.2284 1258 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1480.2284 [They're] not 1480.7599 1259 LES_int_01 1480.2284 [Yeah.] 1480.4996 1260 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1481.3614 I noticed when we had our little party at 1483.9548 1261 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1483.9548 (pause 0.27) 1484.2253 1262 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1484.2253 the um 1484.6915 1263 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1484.6915 (pause 1.36) 1486.0520 1264 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1486.0520 bar on Allen Street. 1487.3995 1265 LES_int_01 1488.0057 Which one? 1488.5233 1266 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1489.2787 Uh, Allen and Stanton. 1490.9014 1267 LES_int_01 1492.2804 Uh-huh. 1493.1338 1268 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1493.5254 Yeah. 1493.8845 1269 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1493.8845 (pause 0.29) 1494.1782 1270 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1494.1782 He's named after um, 1495.5212 1271 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1495.5212 (pause 0.71) 1496.2299 1272 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1496.2299 1496.3838 1273 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1496.3838 (pause 0.56) 1496.9480 1274 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1496.9480 one of the uh, actors that played 1499.1757 1275 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1499.1757 (pause 0.09) 1499.2690 1276 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1499.2690 on that series of 1500.2575 1277 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1500.2575 (pause 0.32) 1500.5793 1278 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1500.5793 Come Back Mr.Carter or Go ba- 1501.9175 1279 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1501.9175 (pause 1.37) 1503.2837 1280 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1503.2837 Uh. 1503.7256 1281 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1503.7256 (pause 2.15) 1505.8798 1282 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1505.8798 You remember that? 1506.4207 1283 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1506.4207 (pause 0.21) 1506.6352 1284 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1506.6352 At- that- as- [a-] 1507.4978 1285 LES_int_01 1507.3626 [Yeah.] 1508.1413 1286 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1508.1413 Uh, it's called uh, 1509.4604 1287 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1510.1887 Benny. 1510.6689 1288 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1510.6689 (pause 0.55) 1511.2238 1289 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1511.2238 Barba- no. 1511.9746 1290 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1511.9746 (pause 0.54) 1512.5108 1291 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1512.5108 It's called 1513.1263 1292 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1513.1263 (pause 0.19) 1513.3175 1293 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1513.3175 Epstein's Bar. 1514.1479 1294 LES_int_01 1514.3577 Oh. Epstein's B- I 1515.7053 1295 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1515.7393 It [was named after.] 1517.0029 1296 LES_int_01 1516.0347 [I- /inaudible/ I walked by. It's a funny joke. [Yeah. I heard about it. /inaudible/] 1519.5209 1297 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1518.3505 [Yeah.] 1518.7608 1298 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1518.7608 (pause 0.09) 1518.8541 1299 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1518.8541 [It was named] because of the character Epstein. 1521.1555 1300 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1521.5892 Mr. Kotter. 1522.6476 1301 LES_int_01 1522.8202 Oh, [okay. (laughing)] 1524.4571 1302 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1523.9535 [] 1525.2265 1303 LES_int_01 1525.5669 You had a party there? 1526.4202 1304 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1526.5414 Yeah, we did. When Local Law Seventy-Nine was passed. 1529.6691 1305 LES_int_01 1529.9349 Oh. [Okay.] 1530.8951 1306 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1530.5783 [And I] 1531.1845 1307 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1531.2871 went talked to the guy 1532.5414 1308 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1532.5414 (pause 0.30) 1532.8398 1309 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1532.8398 the owner, and I said, look, I'd like to bring in fifty organizers and what not. We- 1537.1248 1310 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1537.1248 (pause 0.69) 1537.8149 1311 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1537.8149 we a fun bunch and- 1538.7894 1312 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1538.7894 (pause 0.16) 1538.9526 1313 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1538.9526 and he said, okay. 1539.6917 1314 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1539.6917 (pause 0.78) 1540.4763 1315 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1540.4763 I'll give you a special rate. Drinks are one dollars, two dollars and three dollars. 1543.7400 1316 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1543.7400 (pause 0.90) 1544.6399 1317 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1544.6399 [Yeah.] 1544.8684 1318 LES_int_01 1544.6399 [Pretty] good. 1545.1062 1319 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1545.1314 Yeah. We- honey, you- oh yes it- [they-] 1546.8608 1320 LES_int_01 1546.6790 [] 1547.6349 1321 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1547.4204 [It was] so good, they had a t- 1548.5587 1322 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1548.6519 Tequila drinking contest. 1550.0818 1323 LES_int_01 1550.2916 1551.7697 1324 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1551.9935 Boy, they can drink too. 1552.8981 1325 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1552.8981 (pause 0.07) 1552.9728 1326 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1552.9728 But, I noticed the people in the community were looking at us. 1555.4161 1327 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1555.4161 (pause 2.29) 1557.7091 1328 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1557.7091 We got some looks that didn't make me k- very 1559.5789 1329 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1559.5789 (pause 0.12) 1559.6955 1330 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1559.6955 feel [very.] 1560.2551 1331 LES_int_01 1559.8706 [The other] people 1560.9452 1332 LES_int_01 1561.1736 Yeah, there's. 1561.8066 1333 LES_int_01 1561.8066 (pause 0.38) 1562.1890 1334 LES_int_01 1562.1890 Talk about community, what- what uh, 1564.3386 1335 LES_int_01 1564.3386 (pause 0.18) 1564.5205 1336 LES_int_01 1564.5205 what community do you feel a part of? 1566.4929 1337 LES_int_01 1566.4929 (pause 0.57) 1567.0617 1338 LES_int_01 1567.0617 I wanna know if 1567.9344 1339 LES_int_01 1567.9344 (pause 0.16) 1568.0976 1340 LES_int_01 1568.0976 everybody that lives in 1569.4160 1341 LES_int_01 1569.4160 (pause 0.10) 1569.5139 1342 LES_int_01 1569.5139 these 1569.8776 1343 LES_int_01 1569.8776 (pause 0.18) 1570.0548 1344 LES_int_01 1570.0548 boundaries that we just talked about, are they all part of the Lower East Side [community?] 1573.2116 1345 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1572.6847 [Yes. They are.] 1573.3095 1346 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1573.4774 They are. 1573.9204 1347 LES_int_01 1574.4379 And what does it take to be [a] 1575.9476 1348 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1575.8963 [But.] 1576.1714 1349 LES_int_01 1576.2320 community member? 1577.1086 1350 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1578.1671 Well, you have to be willing to 1580.1582 1351 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1580.1582 (pause 0.40) 1580.5627 1352 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1580.5627 work with other people, you have to be willing to 1583.2439 1353 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1583.2439 (pause 0.51) 1583.7568 1354 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1583.7568 lend your services to make a difference. 1585.7338 1355 LES_int_01 1585.8411 Yeah. 1586.1442 1356 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1587.1595 Yes, they all part of the community, but they g- they're getting- numbers are getting smaller and smaller as the rich developments are move in. 1593.9035 1357 LES_int_01 1594.1553 So, the new, uh, the yuppies that are moving in 1596.5452 1358 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1596.7224 [Are not.] 1597.1328 1359 LES_int_01 1596.8716 [they're] not for you. 1598.0280 1360 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1598.1073 [No.] 1598.3778 1361 LES_int_01 1598.2006 [And] what would it take for them to 1599.5656 1362 LES_int_01 1599.6729 could they ever become part of the community? 1601.7199 1363 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1601.7665 Oh. [If they're willing to] uh, 1603.6270 1364 LES_int_01 1602.0696 [/inaudible/] 1602.8250 1365 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1604.0001 uh, not be so selfish. 1605.3278 1366 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1605.3278 (pause 1.33) 1606.6568 1367 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1606.6568 And actually participate and lend themselves to making a condition different. 1610.6342 1368 LES_int_01 1611.3082 [So, participation.] 1612.9775 1369 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1611.3875 [And not one that's] 1612.2828 1370 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1612.2828 (pause 0.54) 1612.8190 1371 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1612.8190 [Not] one that doesn't only serve their cause. 1615.2764 1372 LES_int_01 1616.6647 Right. 1617.0191 1373 LES_int_01 1617.0191 (pause 0.75) 1617.7699 1374 LES_int_01 1617.7699 Right. 1618.0263 1375 LES_int_01 1618.0263 (pause 1.41) 1619.4345 1376 LES_int_01 1619.4345 Yeah. 1619.6677 1377 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1619.6677 And I don't see that. 1620.6049 1378 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1621.9012 They really don't want us around. 1623.3502 1379 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1623.3502 (pause 1.52) 1624.8703 1380 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1624.8703 [Trust me.] 1625.3226 1381 LES_int_01 1624.8703 [And you feel] that. 1625.7189 1382 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1625.9801 Oh, no, they make it crystal clear. 1627.4302 1383 LES_int_01 1627.7007 Mm-hm. 1628.0457 1384 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1628.3104 The building on Houston Street, 1629.8538 1385 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1629.8538 (pause 0.12) 1629.9704 1386 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1629.9704 next to Barrier Free Living. 1631.3925 1387 LES_int_01 1631.8448 Yeah. 1632.2552 1388 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1632.4650 That tall building. 1633.2157 1389 LES_int_01 1633.4815 Which one? The. 1634.3535 1390 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1634.7906 One right next to Barrier Free Living, like Barrier Free Living is here, and the building is there. 1638.7355 1391 LES_int_01 1638.8054 Yeah. 1639.2111 1392 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1640.2183 I tried, I went in there when they first opened up to see if I can 1643.4362 1393 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1643.4362 (pause 0.82) 1644.2569 1394 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1644.2569 get an apartment. 1645.0402 1395 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1645.0402 (pause 0.13) 1645.1661 1396 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1645.1661 1645.2501 1397 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1645.2501 (pause 0.52) 1645.7676 1398 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1645.7676 And she said 1646.2619 1399 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1646.2619 (pause 0.34) 1646.6023 1400 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1646.6023 Oh, we don't- 1647.2458 1401 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1647.2458 (pause 0.08) 1647.3250 1402 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1647.3250 we don't do 1647.9621 1403 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1647.9621 (pause 0.14) 1648.0973 1404 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1648.0973 u- applications. That's passe. 1649.9485 1405 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1649.9485 (pause 1.05) 1651.0023 1406 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1651.0023 What we do is docume- 1652.1820 1407 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1652.1820 (pause 0.39) 1652.5691 1408 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1652.5691 mm. 1652.8209 1409 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1652.8209 (pause 0.69) 1653.5110 1410 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1653.5110 What we do is documentation. 1654.9862 1411 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1654.9862 (pause 1.02) 1656.0074 1412 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1656.0074 And the be- most doc- the one documentation you must have is the one that says you make seventy-seven thousand dollars. 1662.5776 1413 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1662.5776 (pause 0.86) 1663.4346 1414 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1663.4346 Then we go further. 1664.3028 1415 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1664.3028 (pause 0.44) 1664.7458 1416 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1664.7458 If you don't make seventy-seven thousand dollars, you're not even considered for that building. 1667.9586 1417 LES_int_01 1670.0277 Mm. 1670.8204 1418 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1671.0816 And the um, studio apartments start at fifteen hundred. 1673.9865 1419 LES_int_01 1675.2323 Oh dear. 1675.9410 1420 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1679.8334 And that was years ago. 1680.7986 1421 LES_int_01 1680.8779 Yeah. 1681.3582 1422 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1682.5425 Okay. 1682.8596 1423 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1682.8596 (pause 1.00) 1683.8563 1424 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1683.8563 Alright? 1684.1314 1425 LES_int_01 1684.4998 Yeah. 1684.9101 1426 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1686.1505 It's right off of the FDR Drive, you come right up and [then.] 1688.3653 1427 LES_int_01 1688.1695 [I-] I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah. 1689.9123 1428 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1689.9123 Yeah. 1690.3040 1429 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1691.1433 And she gave me the tape. 1692.5328 1430 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1692.5328 (pause 2.14) 1694.6684 1431 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1694.6684 You think those people wanna be bothered? 1696.1920 1432 LES_int_01 1696.4252 Mm-hm. 1696.8588 1433 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1696.8588 No. 1697.1573 1434 LES_int_01 1697.5070 [Yeah,] 1697.8380 1435 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1697.7168 [You] think the people that gonna move into Avenue B 1699.6053 1436 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1700.7151 and um, 1701.4320 1437 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1701.4320 (pause 0.57) 1702.0055 1438 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1702.0055 se- 1702.4578 1439 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1702.4578 (pause 0.12) 1702.5791 1440 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1702.5791 And uh Houston, are gonna wanna be bothered? 1704.6354 1441 LES_int_01 1704.8266 Yeah. 1705.1250 1442 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1706.4026 You think the people around the corner o- on- on 1708.6723 1443 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1708.6723 (pause 0.16) 1708.8309 1444 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1708.8309 Attorney Street 1709.4977 1445 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1709.4977 (pause 0.14) 1709.6375 1446 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1709.6375 are gonna wa- one point five million dollars are gonna wanna be bothered? 1712.3607 1447 LES_int_01 1712.7477 Mm-hm. 1713.1767 1448 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1713.6138 No. 1713.7864 1449 LES_int_01 1714.0615 Yeah. 1714.3413 1450 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1714.6547 They're not gonna be interested in no community. 1716.3976 1451 LES_int_01 1716.5561 Yeah. 1716.8079 1452 LES_int_01 1716.8079 (pause 1.23) 1718.0389 1453 LES_int_01 1718.0389 What are some places in the community that are important to you? 1720.8807 1454 LES_int_01 1720.8807 (pause 0.56) 1721.4403 1455 LES_int_01 1721.4403 Where you spend time, or 1722.8765 1456 LES_int_01 1722.8765 (pause 0.21) 1723.0910 1457 LES_int_01 1723.0910 in the time that you've lived here that matter to you? 1725.2441 1458 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1726.1487 Clinton Street. 1726.9320 1459 LES_int_01 1727.3890 Clinton Street. 1728.0045 1460 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1728.9884 Uh. 1729.3008 1461 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1729.3008 (pause 0.82) 1730.1250 1462 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1730.1250 Delancey. 1731.0529 1463 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1731.0529 (pause 0.95) 1731.9995 1464 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1731.9995 Orchard. 1732.7035 1465 LES_int_01 1733.1279 Yeah. 1733.4263 1466 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1733.6128 Yeah. 1734.1910 1467 LES_int_01 1734.2003 Places where you walk? Or [where you shop?] 1736.4607 1468 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1735.4582 [Where the- where. Yeah] where you shop. 1737.3700 1469 LES_int_01 1737.4213 Yeah. 1737.7710 1470 LES_int_01 1737.7710 (pause 1.06) 1738.8294 1471 LES_int_01 1738.8294 Yeah. 1739.0859 1472 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1739.1565 Packmark 1739.9286 1473 LES_int_01 1739.9199 Orchard. 1740.3882 1474 LES_int_01 1740.6185 Yeah. Packmark? 1741.3209 1475 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1741.4702 [Uh-huh.] 1742.2824 1476 LES_int_01 1741.9268 [Oh. Is- that where you do your shopping? At Packmark? 1744.0402 1477 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1744.4534 E- p- and Key Food. 1745.7816 1478 LES_int_01 1745.7948 Yeah. [/inaudible/] 1746.9977 1479 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1745.9309 [And Fine Fare.] 1747.1468 1480 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1747.7615 And Fine [Fare.] 1748.6537 1481 LES_int_01 1748.3640 [Mm-hm.] 1748.9172 1482 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1750.3177 Whoever got what on sale. 1751.6891 1483 LES_int_01 1751.8631 Right. 1753.6279 1484 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1754.6222 Yeah, and um. 1755.7406 1485 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1755.7406 (pause 0.16) 1755.8986 1486 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1755.8986 Lemme see where else. 1756.5967 1487 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1756.5967 (pause 0.72) 1757.3123 1488 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1757.3123 The 1757.8281 1489 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1757.8281 (pause 0.13) 1757.9555 1490 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1757.9555 nail places, 1759.2901 1491 LES_int_01 1759.2901 Uh-huh. 1759.9135 1492 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1761.0374 and the hair places. 1762.4232 1493 LES_int_01 1762.4891 Okay. 1762.8667 1494 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1764.2408 Yeah. I mean, this is the area where I can get whatever I need whenever I need it. 1767.6126 1495 LES_int_01 1768.0062 Yeah. 1768.3662 1496 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1768.6120 So, there's a l- I like that. 1770.3725 1497 LES_int_01 1770.4647 Yeah. 1770.7852 1498 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1770.7852 I like being able to walk out my door and go around the corner and get my nails done, 1774.4429 1499 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1775.0092 if I wanna get my hair done, wanna get colored da da da da da da. 1779.2431 1500 LES_int_01 1779.5447 Yeah. 1779.9486 1501 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1780.0540 By the way, in this building, they got 1781.2865 1502 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1781.2865 (pause 0.17) 1781.4577 1503 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1781.4577 people that do that too. 1782.3445 1504 LES_int_01 1782.8450 In this- 1783.0909 1505 LES_int_01 1783.0909 (pause 0.11) 1783.2050 1506 LES_int_01 1783.2050 in the building? 1783.7538 1507 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1783.7538 Yes lor- 1784.4897 1508 LES_int_01 1784.6214 [Well, that's] convenient. 1785.4644 1509 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1784.6478 [i-] 1784.8190 1510 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1786.6526 Yeah. If you wanna pay 'em. 1787.5965 1511 LES_int_01 1787.9565 1788.7775 1512 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1789.5546 No, I mean they have hairdressers in the building, they have everything. Nails. You can get your nails. 1793.2216 1513 LES_int_01 1793.3094 Cool. 1793.8099 1514 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1793.8099 But 1794.0498 1515 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1794.1815 and the I can't- you can't beat the Chinese for doing your toenails and your 1797.4830 1516 LES_int_01 1797.6762 Mm. 1798.3084 1517 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1798.6201 your nails. They are- [they are] very good at that. 1801.0671 1518 LES_int_01 1799.4691 [Yeah.] 1799.7840 1519 LES_int_01 1801.0671 Yeah. 1801.7169 1520 LES_int_01 1801.7169 (pause 0.30) 1802.0181 1521 LES_int_01 1802.0181 [That's] good, I like- I like to get- 1803.5464 1522 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1802.0271 [Yeah.] 1802.3476 1523 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1803.7305 And they ha- but I noticed something else that they have 1806.4964 1524 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1806.4964 (pause 0.12) 1806.6149 1525 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1806.6149 these massage. They have these high end now. 1809.8797 1526 LES_int_01 1810.0553 Oh, yeah. 1810.6743 1527 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1810.6743 Nail places on Houston, 1812.7186 1528 LES_int_01 1812.8723 Yeah. 1813.2982 1529 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1814.4177 and on Avenue B. 1815.6206 1530 LES_int_01 1815.6206 They have massage there? 1816.7727 1531 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1817.1314 Yeah. High end, where they offer you wine with it. 1819.9741 1532 LES_int_01 1820.4243 What? 1820.9204 1533 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1820.9204 Mm-hm. 1821.4955 1534 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1821.8072 On Avenue [B.] 1822.5828 1535 LES_int_01 1822.3369 [I haven't] been to a place like that. I got to the cheap [ones.] 1824.6330 1536 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1824.4794 [Uh] no. On Avenue B. 1825.6252 1537 LES_int_01 1826.1784 Really? 1826.5735 1538 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1826.5735 Yeah, if you walk straight up Avenue [B.] 1828.2798 1539 LES_int_01 1828.0225 [Oh, funny.] 1829.1113 1540 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1828.8462 [you'll] see it. 1829.5311 1541 LES_int_01 1829.6688 [Funny.] 1830.0332 1542 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1829.6760 [It's a i-] not too far in, it's not 1831.2433 1543 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1831.7394 I mean, I'm serious. Between s- first and second.] 1833.9038 1544 LES_int_01 1833.4736 [I believe] you. I believe [you.] 1834.9093 1545 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1834.6854 [I looked] at this, I said oh. 1835.9103 1546 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1836.2176 Excuse me, is right next to the chiropractor. 1838.0073 1547 LES_int_01 1838.0951 And the pedicure is- was sixty-five dollars [or something like that? ] 1842.0244 1548 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1840.5625 [Yeah, something- yeah, yeah.] 1842.0332 1549 LES_int_01 1842.2835 [Right.] 1842.7313 1550 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1842.3142 [Yeah.] 1842.6962 1551 LES_int_01 1842.8762 [Right.] 1843.2625 1552 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1842.8849 [Yeah.] And, um. 1844.0220 1553 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1846.6108 And then um, 1847.6425 1554 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1847.6425 (pause 1.07) 1848.7137 1555 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1848.7137 Those buildings are expensive. 1850.1961 1556 LES_int_01 1850.4990 [Yeah.] 1850.7361 1557 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1850.6351 [You] see, it changes the whole. 1851.9391 1558 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1852.5713 They have a organic cleaner. 1854.0113 1559 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1854.0113 (pause 3.34) 1857.3508 1560 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1857.3508 Organic cleaner, nail place, 1859.4449 1561 LES_int_01 1859.4449 Yeah. 1859.8137 1562 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1859.8137 pizza place 1860.7225 1563 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1861.0606 chiropractor. 1861.9455 1564 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1861.9455 (pause 1.26) 1863.2099 1565 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1863.2099 There's a vet. 1863.7674 1566 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1863.7674 (pause 0.28) 1864.0440 1567 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1864.0440 The vet is on uh, Sixth Street. 1865.9889 1568 LES_int_01 1866.5421 And B. 1867.0075 1569 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1867.2050 Yeah, [the- uh- s- wa-] 1868.3908 1570 LES_int_01 1867.6587 [Yeah, I take my cats there.] 1868.7036 1571 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1868.9308 Oh. [Yo-] 1869.4093 1572 LES_int_01 1869.1854 [They] moved. I think. 1870.2171 1573 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1870.2171 They moved? 1870.8054 1574 LES_int_01 1871.5470 Yeah. 1871.9992 1575 LES_int_01 1871.9992 (pause 1.08) 1873.0748 1576 LES_int_01 1873.0748 I think they just moved. We used to, we- we did. We took our cats there. 1875.8977 1577 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1875.8977 On Avenue B? 1876.6353 1578 LES_int_01 1876.6353 Yeah. Yeah. 1877.3202 1579 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1877.6714 [How was it?] 1878.3592 1580 LES_int_01 1877.7489 [I think it's] on like Fourth Street. 1879.3119 1581 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1879.5665 It's on Fourth Street? 1880.3041 1582 LES_int_01 1880.4533 Yeah, they were good. I took, we took our [cats.] 1882.9163 1583 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1882.4641 [Are they] expensive though? 1883.4475 1584 LES_int_01 1883.4739 No. 1883.8778 1585 LES_int_01 1883.8778 (pause 0.24) 1884.1221 1586 LES_int_01 1884.1221 They were fine. We took our cats to another place on Christie. 1887.2392 1587 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1887.2392 Yeah. 1887.5377 1588 LES_int_01 1888.0514 Just south of Houston. 1889.2104 1589 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1889.2104 Yeah. 1889.5397 1590 LES_int_01 1889.5397 And I didn't like that vet. He wasn't- 1891.1055 1591 LES_int_01 1891.1055 (pause 0.60) 1891.7026 1592 LES_int_01 1891.7026 he wasn't very nice. 1892.8441 1593 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1893.5860 How expensive was the one 1895.2061 1594 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1895.2061 (pause 0.17) 1895.3729 1595 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1895.3729 on Fourth [Street?] 1896.0852 1596 LES_int_01 1895.8657 [ I think] it was, they were similar. It was like, you know like a sixty dollars for a visit or something like that. [/inaudible/] 1901.7788 1597 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1900.2208 [Yeah, how much is the bloodwork?] 1901.9105 1598 LES_int_01 1902.1871 Ah, we've never done that with our cats. Our cats haven't had- knew that we- ta- have taken them for like a check up or 1907.3704 1599 LES_int_01 1907.3704 (pause 0.25) 1907.6162 1600 LES_int_01 1907.6162 like a cold, where it would 1908.6172 1601 LES_int_01 1908.6172 (pause 0.34) 1908.9597 1602 LES_int_01 1908.9597 give 'em a- 1909.4382 1603 LES_int_01 1909.4382 (pause 0.18) 1909.6138 1604 LES_int_01 1909.6138 you know. 1909.9255 1605 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1909.9255 Mm-hm. How many cats you have? 1911.2979 1606 LES_int_01 1911.2979 Two. 1911.5438 1607 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1912.5301 Eh. 1912.8506 1608 LES_int_01 1912.8506 But, they're young. So, they haven't gotten really sick. 1914.4750 1609 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1914.8921 [Oh.] You don't know [if you don't change] their diet, they will be getting [sick.] 1919.2626 1610 LES_int_01 1915.2104 [Yeah.] 1915.6007 1611 LES_int_01 1915.6007 (pause 1.18) 1916.7777 1612 LES_int_01 1916.7777 [I know.] 1917.1753 1613 LES_int_01 1917.1753 (pause 1.94) 1919.1133 1614 LES_int_01 1919.1133 [I] know. 1919.6402 1615 LES_int_01 1919.8951 I [know.] 1920.3262 1616 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1920.1937 [Cat] balls and 1921.1815 1617 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1921.3439 They get- they 1922.0969 1618 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1922.0969 (pause 0.15) 1922.2461 1619 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1922.2461 You have to vaccinate them. I mean, she told me ninety-two dollars [for] 1925.5904 1620 LES_int_01 1925.2348 [Oh.] 1925.9197 1621 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1926.0909 for the whole thing. 1926.8812 1622 LES_int_01 1926.9339 Oh. 1927.5222 1623 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1928.1240 E- 1928.2601 1624 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1928.2601 (pause 0.23) 1928.4884 1625 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1928.4884 [I mean, i-] 1928.9625 1626 LES_int_01 1928.4884 [Yeah.] 1928.9625 1627 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1930.0382 [Animals] are- that's why I don't have a cat now. 1932.0518 1628 LES_int_01 1930.0382 [/inaudible/] 1930.4082 1629 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1932.3108 [I had] a cat, Sarah Anne, for seventeen [years.] 1934.5806 1630 LES_int_01 1932.3108 [Yeah.] 1932.7279 1631 LES_int_01 1932.7279 (pause 1.72) 1934.4489 1632 LES_int_01 1934.4489 [Oh.] 1935.6650 1633 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1935.8055 And Miss Thing is 1937.3669 1634 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1937.3669 (pause 0.19) 1937.5601 1635 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1937.5601 she took 1938.1220 1636 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1938.1220 (pause 0.29) 1938.4074 1637 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1938.4074 I'm spoiled to a new art form. 1940.1898 1638 LES_int_01 1940.3435 1941.6565 1639 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1941.4499 But now, everyone is talking about. 1942.9947 1640 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1943.1615 See here. 1943.6488 1641 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1943.6488 (pause 0.44) 1944.0851 1642 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1944.0851 This is /RD-NAME-1/ 1945.3407 1643 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1945.3407 (pause 0.40) 1945.7446 1644 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1945.7446 Oh God, this man is always sending me something. Him. 1948.1110 1645 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1948.1110 (pause 1.81) 1949.9203 1646 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1949.9203 [I get all this-] 1950.5042 1647 LES_int_01 1950.1706 [/RD-NAME-4/] I recognize that name. 1952.5413 1648 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1952.7499 I know you do. 1953.4655 1649 LES_int_01 1956.0233 Yeah, this is about the- 1957.1730 1650 LES_int_01 1957.1730 (pause 0.38) 1957.5550 1651 LES_int_01 1957.5550 the Chinatown rezoning. 1958.9774 1652 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1958.9774 Mm-hm. 1959.6667 1653 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1960.4394 It's not the Chinatown rezoning. It's the Lower East Side [rezoning.] 1963.8166 1654 LES_int_01 1962.9151 [No, but now they're] t- they're thinking of reze- 1965.0371 1655 LES_int_01 1965.4197 working on Chinatown rezoning, right? 1967.3866 1656 LES_int_01 1967.3866 (pause 0.12) 1967.5051 1657 LES_int_01 1967.5051 [That was.] 1967.9661 1658 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1967.7071 [Well] no. Chinatown was not included. 1969.9665 1659 LES_int_01 1970.0104 I know. 1970.3353 1660 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1970.6295 And now, they're gonna expand it [because,] 1972.3636 1661 LES_int_01 1972.0005 [Right.] 1972.2244 1662 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1972.8993 um. 1973.3734 1663 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1973.3734 (pause 0.35) 1973.7246 1664 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1973.7246 It was originally from 1975.0254 1665 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1975.0254 (pause 0.69) 1975.7147 1666 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1975.7147 Thirteenth Street. 1976.6366 1667 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1976.6366 (pause 1.19) 1977.8249 1668 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1977.8249 To uh 1979.0761 1669 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1979.0761 (pause 0.92) 1979.9981 1670 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1979.9981 Thirteenth Street 1980.7839 1671 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1980.7839 (pause 0.22) 1981.0034 1672 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1981.0034 to, uh 1981.9254 1673 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1981.9254 (pause 3.48) 1985.4014 1674 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1985.4014 Thirteenth Street 1986.1170 1675 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1986.1170 (pause 0.27) 1986.3848 1676 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1986.3848 from Third Avenue to the river, 1987.8248 1677 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1987.8248 (pause 0.80) 1988.6267 1678 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1988.6267 all the way to Grant Street. I think 1990.2380 1679 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1990.2380 (pause 2.83) 1993.0653 1680 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1993.0653 And we- and we had 1994.3259 1681 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1994.3259 (pause 0.46) 1994.7825 1682 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1994.7825 and I had to learn about zoning. 1996.6505 1683 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1996.6505 (pause 0.17) 1996.8173 1684 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1996.8173 And about 1997.3749 1685 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1997.3749 (pause 1.22) 1998.5910 1686 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1998.5910 Oh god. 1999.2759 1687 LES_int_01 1999.5158 [Wow.] 2000.0022 1688 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 1999.7924 I- I had to learn about that, and I got very annoyed. 2002.2466 1689 LES_int_01 2002.3739 Yeah. 2002.9007 1690 LES_int_01 2002.9007 (pause 1.01) 2003.9061 1691 LES_int_01 2003.9061 Now, /RD-NAME-2/ from goals, I think is 2006.1052 1692 LES_int_01 2006.1052 (pause 0.14) 2006.2501 1693 LES_int_01 2006.2501 the one who gave me your contact info. She said that you were also knowledgeable about 2010.2557 1694 LES_int_01 2010.2557 (pause 0.43) 2010.6816 1695 LES_int_01 2010.6816 one of the issues that I've been involved with, which is the Seward Park Urban Renewal Site. 2015.0844 1696 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2015.2644 Originally, 2015.9932 1697 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2015.9932 (pause 1.04) 2017.0337 1698 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2017.0337 that land was cleared 2017.9732 1699 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2017.9732 (pause 0.24) 2018.2103 1700 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2018.2103 because they 2018.8867 1701 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2018.8867 (pause 0.47) 2019.3521 1702 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2019.3521 promised that we're gonna have low income. 2020.8261 1703 LES_int_01 2021.3134 Yeah. 2021.5768 1704 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2022.0773 Sheldon Silver don't wanna put nothing- low income there. 2024.2066 1705 LES_int_01 2025.5671 Is that how you see it? 2026.3880 1706 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2026.3880 No, that's how it is. 2027.4198 1707 LES_int_01 2027.4198 Yeah. 2027.8580 1708 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2028.0761 It's been baking for thirty five years. Sheldon Silver does not wanna put anything low income there. 2032.2439 1709 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2032.2439 (pause 0.40) 2032.6434 1710 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2032.6434 Because, it's been my 2033.8726 1711 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2033.8726 (pause 0.14) 2034.0131 1712 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2034.0131 I mean, I heard that 2034.9746 1713 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2034.9746 (pause 1.21) 2036.1852 1714 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2036.1852 developers 2037.0238 1715 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2037.0238 (pause 0.25) 2037.2784 1716 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2037.2784 who do low income and 2038.5428 1717 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2038.5428 (pause 0.93) 2039.4746 1718 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2039.4746 high end income 2040.4493 1719 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2040.4493 (pause 0.65) 2041.1034 1720 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2041.1034 offered to do a fifty-fifty. 2042.5171 1721 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2042.5171 (pause 0.43) 2042.9517 1722 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2042.9517 He didn't want it. 2043.5751 1723 LES_int_01 2044.0898 /??/ 2044.6806 1724 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2044.9776 When they went to um. 2046.7123 1725 LES_int_01 2046.6728 And do you think he's representing 2048.4168 1726 LES_int_01 2048.8032 some constituents in the neighborhood [that.] 2050.7964 1727 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2050.5417 [Yeah.] The Co-ops. 2051.6788 1728 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2052.4851 Those are the ones, I mean, they were ugly. 2054.5749 1729 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2054.5749 (pause 0.18) 2054.7549 1730 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2054.7549 The- we- we had our special, uh, 2056.4013 1731 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2056.4013 (pause 0.41) 2056.8139 1732 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2056.8139 public hearing about it. 2058.0404 1733 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2058.0404 (pause 0.40) 2058.4444 1734 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2058.4444 They hired 2059.1863 1735 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2059.1863 (pause 0.15) 2059.3356 1736 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2059.3356 [every private] c- this was the- 2061.6932 1737 LES_int_01 2059.7075 [This was in.] 2060.3265 1738 LES_int_01 2060.3265 (pause 0.90) 2061.2278 1739 LES_int_01 2061.2278 [two thousand] three? 2062.4000 1740 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2062.5098 Yeah. 2062.8829 1741 LES_int_01 2062.8845 I [read about] it. Yeah. 2064.1720 1742 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2062.9954 [They hi-] 2063.4081 1743 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2064.2159 They hired 2064.8613 1744 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2064.8613 (pause 0.14) 2065.0062 1745 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2065.0062 every 2065.5550 1746 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2065.5550 (pause 0.09) 2065.6472 1747 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2065.6472 private 2066.0949 1748 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2066.0949 (pause 0.09) 2066.1828 1749 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2066.1828 cab company and they came in droves. There had to be about 2068.6325 1750 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2068.6325 (pause 0.35) 2068.9794 1751 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2068.9794 thousands of them 2070.0243 1752 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2070.0243 (pause 0.34) 2070.3641 1753 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2070.3641 in that community room. 2071.4660 1754 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2071.4660 (pause 0.27) 2071.7334 1755 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2071.7334 In that- ar- auditorium, PS Twenty. 2073.9373 1756 LES_int_01 2074.0164 You were there? 2074.5871 1757 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2074.6969 Yeah, the only reason I got in, I grabbed hold of Alan Gerson's 2077.6384 1758 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2077.6384 (pause 0.46) 2078.0949 1759 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2078.0949 um, 2078.4418 1760 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2078.4418 (pause 0.10) 2078.5456 1761 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2078.5456 one of his- 2079.5115 1762 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2079.5115 (pause 0.50) 2080.0076 1763 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2080.0076 his aids, 2080.9691 1764 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2080.9691 (pause 0.39) 2081.3554 1765 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2081.3554 by the back of this 2082.0710 1766 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2082.0710 (pause 0.14) 2082.2071 1767 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2082.2071 man's pants. 2083.1071 1768 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2083.1071 (pause 0.38) 2083.4847 1769 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2083.4847 And when 2084.2003 1770 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2084.2003 (pause 0.57) 2084.7739 1771 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2084.7739 we went- when- when he moved, 2086.3237 1772 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2086.3237 (pause 0.38) 2086.7013 1773 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2086.7013 we all moved together. 2087.8735 1774 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2087.8735 (pause 0.47) 2088.3432 1775 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2088.3432 Like, you know, 2088.9535 1776 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2088.9535 (pause 1.01) 2089.9588 1777 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2089.9588 Like a [caterpillar.] 2090.7915 1778 LES_int_01 2090.6642 [Because] it was so crowded? 2091.8583 1779 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2092.7452 And I had to end up sitting on the floor. 2094.1325 1780 LES_int_01 2095.4188 What do you remember about that meeting? 2096.7163 1781 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2096.7163 It was ugly. 2097.2827 1782 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2098.2573 Alan didn't show u p. 2099.1251 1783 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2099.1251 (pause 1.94) 2101.0699 1784 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2101.0699 It was ugly. 2101.6100 1785 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2101.6100 (pause 0.28) 2101.8865 1786 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2101.8865 And they gonna tell us what for. 2103.3266 1787 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2103.3266 (pause 0.72) 2104.0422 1788 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2104.0422 2104.1475 1789 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2104.1475 (pause 0.39) 2104.5383 1790 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2104.5383 If you have low income people in a certain area, it's a ghetto. 2107.3948 1791 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2107.3948 (pause 0.94) 2108.3300 1792 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2108.3300 We don't want those people there. 2109.4451 1793 LES_int_01 2112.3631 Yeah. 2112.7143 1794 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2112.9646 Mm-hm. 2113.3158 1795 LES_int_01 2114.5539 And what do you think about, uh, the situation now with that site? 2118.3060 1796 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2120.2026 Same problem. 2120.8744 1797 LES_int_01 2122.3846 Has anything changed? 2123.4822 1798 LES_int_01 2123.4822 (pause 0.39) 2123.8729 1799 LES_int_01 2123.8729 I mean the- has the fact that the 2125.5368 1800 LES_int_01 2125.5368 (pause 0.19) 2125.7256 1801 LES_int_01 2125.7256 composition of the neighborhood in terms of the people 2128.0546 1802 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2128.1512 [Probably,] 2128.6254 1803 LES_int_01 2128.2774 [I mean.] 2128.5671 1804 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2128.9546 probably [give you.] 2129.6922 1805 LES_int_01 2129.2433 [Co-ops] 2129.9688 1806 LES_int_01 2130.0961 are now 2130.7151 1807 LES_int_01 2130.7151 (pause 0.23) 2130.9434 1808 LES_int_01 2130.9434 market rate, so there's new people moving in there, 2133.3219 1809 LES_int_01 2133.3219 (pause 0.55) 2133.8706 1810 LES_int_01 2133.8706 Do you think that could [change?] 2135.2430 1811 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2134.9199 [Yeah.] Of course, I mean, 2136.1448 1812 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2136.4210 they're gonna push who keep they market value 2138.6932 1813 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2138.6932 (pause 0.50) 2139.1893 1814 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2139.1893 They're selfish people. We call them the Klan of the Lower East Side. 2141.6961 1815 LES_int_01 2141.9557 The Klan? 2142.5220 1816 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2142.5264 Mm-hm. 2143.0269 1817 LES_int_01 2143.2289 2143.6986 1818 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2143.9401 The only thing that they don't wear sheets. 2145.3625 1819 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2145.3625 (pause 0.43) 2145.7884 1820 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2145.7884 I'm [serious,] these people are [outrageous.] 2147.8090 1821 LES_int_01 2146.0300 [Yeah.] 2146.3238 1822 LES_int_01 2146.3238 (pause 1.35) 2147.6773 1823 LES_int_01 2147.6773 [Oh.] 2148.2656 1824 LES_int_01 2149.3149 And so, if it were up to [you.] 2150.5721 1825 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2150.2253 [They] wanna protect their investment at all costs. 2152.8419 1826 LES_int_01 2153.0131 [Yeah.] 2153.3292 1827 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2153.1229 [They] don't want any low income 2154.6814 1828 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2155.5536 or 2155.9268 1829 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2155.9268 (pause 1.17) 2157.0990 1830 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2157.0990 low-middle income. 2158.4117 1831 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2158.4117 (pause 0.63) 2159.0395 1832 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2159.0395 See, the low-middle income people are 2161.2419 1833 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2161.2419 (pause 0.12) 2161.3648 1834 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2161.3648 not on anybody's radar. 2162.8136 1835 LES_int_01 2163.3273 The moderate kind of. 2164.4819 1836 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2164.5741 Yeah, [because] they make more money. 2166.6551 1837 LES_int_01 2165.1917 [Right.] 2165.5320 1838 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2167.4298 If you single and you making over twenty-nine thousand, 2170.0690 1839 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2170.0690 (pause 1.37) 2171.4388 1840 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2171.4388 Then you don't fit in any category. 2172.9729 1841 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2172.9729 (pause 1.45) 2174.4184 1842 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2174.4184 [You m-] You're not. You make too much money for the [land program.] 2177.1264 1843 LES_int_01 2174.4184 [Yeah.] 2174.7217 1844 LES_int_01 2174.7217 (pause 1.50) 2176.2250 1845 LES_int_01 2176.2250 [Too much,] but not [enough.] 2178.2968 1846 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2177.5702 [Enough.] 2177.9936 1847 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2178.4087 Yeah. 2178.7024 1848 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2178.7024 (pause 0.22) 2178.9216 1849 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2178.9216 Mm-hm. 2179.4485 1850 LES_int_01 2180.1013 So, if it were up to you, what would you build on that site? What would i- what would you like to see? 2184.0796 1851 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2185.3526 Some 2185.8419 1852 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2185.8419 (pause 0.11) 2185.9491 1853 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2185.9491 buildings, some co-ops 2187.2920 1854 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2187.2920 (pause 0.33) 2187.6184 1855 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2187.6184 and condos for people 2189.1478 1856 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2189.1478 (pause 1.36) 2190.5089 1857 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2190.5089 in that specific category. 2191.8705 1858 LES_int_01 2192.5361 That moderate. 2193.2169 1859 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2193.3288 Yeah, because they don't have anything. 2194.9375 1860 LES_int_01 2196.3317 Mm-hm. 2196.7094 1861 LES_int_01 2196.7094 (pause 0.70) 2197.4089 1862 LES_int_01 2197.4089 What do you think of mixed models of like low, moderate, and middle 2200.4013 1863 LES_int_01 2200.4013 (pause 1.14) 2201.5390 1864 LES_int_01 2201.5390 all together? 2202.1592 1865 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2202.1592 If it's done right. 2202.9379 1866 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2203.1244 But very rarely is it done right. 2204.5268 1867 LES_int_01 2204.6201 Mm-hm. 2204.8998 1868 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2204.8998 And I seen it done right 2206.0842 1869 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2206.2754 in only one place. 2207.2453 1870 LES_int_01 2207.4225 Where? 2207.7442 1871 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2208.3224 In Denmark. 2209.1664 1872 LES_int_01 2209.5021 Ah. 2209.8378 1873 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2210.6154 In Copenhagen. 2211.3102 1874 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2211.3102 (pause 1.78) 2213.0914 1875 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2213.0914 And the bui- and the name of the- of the place was Christiania. 2216.1975 1876 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2216.1975 (pause 1.73) 2217.9263 1877 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2217.9263 That's right. Where they sell the- the drugs. 2220.2298 1878 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2220.2298 (pause 0.76) 2220.9899 1879 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2220.9899 They [actually] had a 2222.4307 1880 LES_int_01 2221.2929 [Oh.] 2221.6240 1881 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2222.7478 example 2223.3994 1882 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2223.3994 (pause 0.14) 2223.5393 1883 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2223.5393 of 2223.8517 1884 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2223.8517 (pause 0.84) 2224.6957 1885 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2224.6957 residents who took over a barracks 2226.5888 1886 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2226.5888 (pause 0.55) 2227.1344 1887 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2227.1344 who actually developed the barracks. 2229.0742 1888 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2229.0742 (pause 0.23) 2229.3062 1889 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2229.3062 And was there thirty-five, maybe forty years. I think- I heard they kicked 'em out though. 2232.4769 1890 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2232.4769 (pause 0.81) 2233.2836 1891 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2233.2836 I don't know 2233.6903 1892 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2233.6903 (pause 0.14) 2233.8255 1893 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2233.8255 what happened to them, but. 2234.9285 1894 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2234.9285 (pause 0.62) 2235.5533 1895 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2235.5533 They had actually had 2236.5978 1896 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2236.5978 (pause 0.70) 2237.3019 1897 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2237.3019 private houses on one side 2239.0738 1898 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2239.0738 (pause 0.52) 2239.5914 1899 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2239.5914 and they had uh, middle income here, low income there. 2242.8955 1900 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2242.8955 (pause 1.29) 2244.1842 1901 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2244.1842 But, the [apartments] weren't- and then everybody lives 2246.0260 1902 LES_int_01 2244.4640 [So,] 2244.7577 1903 LES_int_01 2244.7577 (pause 0.87) 2245.6250 1904 LES_int_01 2245.6250 [It could] be done. 2246.3758 1905 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2246.3758 Yeah. 2246.7208 1906 LES_int_01 2246.9027 But, it's hard. 2247.5275 1907 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2248.2363 If it's done right. 2248.9497 1908 LES_int_01 2249.1269 Yeah. 2249.4719 1909 LES_int_01 2249.4719 (pause 1.21) 2250.6843 1910 LES_int_01 2250.6843 What about any commercial things? Would you- would you wanna see a commercial space? 2254.0879 1911 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2254.1811 Mm-hm. 2254.5530 1912 LES_int_01 2254.5922 On that site? 2255.1825 1913 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2255.2291 Mm-hm. 2255.5742 1914 LES_int_01 2256.1850 What kind? 2256.6700 1915 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2260.1937 Well. 2260.5668 1916 LES_int_01 2261.2662 Home Depot, Mom and Pop, you know, something in between? 2264.3997 1917 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2264.6841 I would like to see a combination 2265.9186 1918 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2265.9186 (pause 0.30) 2266.2170 1919 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2266.2170 of Home Depot and Mom and Pop. 2267.9843 1920 LES_int_01 2269.5464 Mm-hm. 2269.8401 1921 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2270.5162 See. 2270.7401 1922 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2270.7401 (pause 0.15) 2270.8939 1923 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2270.8939 Yeah. 2271.1504 1924 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2271.1504 (pause 0.11) 2271.2576 1925 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2271.2576 Um. 2271.6109 1926 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2271.6109 (pause 0.88) 2272.4875 1927 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2272.4875 But, different types of mom and pops. 2274.1288 1928 LES_int_01 2274.3387 Uh-huh. 2274.6884 1929 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2275.5464 Like a um. 2277.2203 1930 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2277.2203 (pause 1.38) 2278.6030 1931 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2278.6030 If you're gonna do a Home Depot, 2279.8902 1932 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2279.8902 (pause 0.38) 2280.2679 1933 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2280.2679 then we need a extensive 2281.9186 1934 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2281.9186 (pause 0.18) 2282.1004 1935 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2282.1004 um 2282.4281 1936 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2282.4281 (pause 2.19) 2284.6185 1937 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2284.6185 discount 2285.1967 1938 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2285.1967 (pause 1.25) 2286.4511 1939 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2286.4511 medical 2287.0806 1940 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2287.0806 (pause 0.94) 2288.0178 1941 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2288.0178 supply and 2289.3234 1942 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2289.3234 (pause 0.82) 2290.1476 1943 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2290.1476 beauty. 2290.5952 1944 LES_int_01 2291.3693 Right. 2291.6770 1945 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2291.9148 Yeah. So we can get our nail polish [and makeup and] 2295.2301 1946 LES_int_01 2293.5160 [] 2294.3349 1947 LES_int_01 2294.3349 (pause 0.44) 2294.7732 1948 LES_int_01 2294.7732 [That's right.] 2295.4633 1949 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2295.7384 and our hair products and our 2297.4719 1950 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2297.4719 (pause 0.50) 2297.9708 1951 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2297.9708 and our- by- and have a Body Works. A Body Shop there. 2300.5074 1952 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2300.5074 (pause 0.19) 2300.6939 1953 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2300.6939 [Our] Body Works. 2301.7011 1954 LES_int_01 2300.6939 [Hm.] 2300.9970 1955 LES_int_01 2301.7011 Mm-hm. 2302.0228 1956 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2302.3807 Yes. 2303.0522 1957 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2303.0522 (pause 0.64) 2303.6910 1958 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2303.6910 And a Whole Foods. 2304.6982 1959 LES_int_01 2305.7112 You'd like that? 2306.3023 1960 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2306.7140 Well, yeah, I would like 2307.5375 1961 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2307.5375 (pause 0.15) 2307.6903 1962 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2307.6903 that and 2308.8990 1963 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2308.8990 (pause 1.22) 2310.1203 1964 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2310.1203 Whole Food and uh, maybe uh 2312.3232 1965 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2312.3232 (pause 0.12) 2312.4392 1966 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2312.4392 Farmer's Market. 2313.4155 1967 LES_int_01 2314.0093 Mm-hm. 2314.4347 1968 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2315.0753 So we can come there and get our vegetables that's reasonable. 2317.3909 1969 LES_int_01 2317.5007 Yeah. 2317.8180 1970 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2318.1414 2318.2757 1971 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2318.2757 (pause 0.25) 2318.5259 1972 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2318.5259 I've been trying to get /RD-NAME-3/ who's husband 2320.7017 1973 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2320.7017 (pause 0.19) 2320.8909 1974 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2320.8909 is a farmer 2321.5194 1975 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2321.5194 (pause 0.36) 2321.8795 1976 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2321.8795 bring down some of her vegetables, sell it outside of University Place, and she [tell me no.] 2326.7572 1977 LES_int_01 2326.0432 [Oh.] 2326.4826 1978 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2326.8670 University sell, but she told me no. It wouldn't 2328.8243 1979 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2328.8243 (pause 0.99) 2329.8129 1980 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2329.8129 they would't pay her to do that. 2331.3079 1981 LES_int_01 2331.4970 Oh, too bad. 2332.7699 1982 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2333.0445 Cause her husband is a farmer. 2334.5467 1983 LES_int_01 2335.0044 Oh, that's great. 2335.8099 1984 LES_int_01 2335.8099 (pause 1.05) 2336.8594 1985 LES_int_01 2336.8594 Well, you have the Essex Street Market not too far away. 2339.3491 1986 LES_int_01 2339.3491 (pause 0.81) 2340.1578 1987 LES_int_01 2340.1578 Right? 2340.4934 1988 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2340.6611 Yeah. 2341.0455 1989 LES_int_01 2341.3416 /That's good/. 2341.8542 1990 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2343.3614 Produce. 2343.8130 1991 LES_int_01 2343.8923 Yeah, you can get produce right? 2345.1472 1992 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2345.6964 It's not the same. 2346.3615 1993 LES_int_01 2346.4836 It's not. 2346.9901 1994 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2348.0454 Farmer's Market 2348.9058 1995 LES_int_01 2348.9790 Yeah. 2349.3146 1996 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2349.9248 place for someone who farms. 2351.0537 1997 LES_int_01 2351.0537 Right. 2351.3649 1998 LES_int_01 2351.3649 (pause 0.32) 2351.6883 1999 LES_int_01 2351.6883 They truck it in that morning or whatever. 2353.5083 2000 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2354.0148 Mm-hm. 2354.5396 2001 LES_int_01 2354.5396 Yeah. 2354.8203 2002 LES_int_01 2354.8203 (pause 1.65) 2356.4739 2003 LES_int_01 2356.4739 So, with this SPURA Site, I mean what do you think's gonna happen there? Do you 2359.8223 2004 LES_int_01 2359.8223 (pause 0.24) 2360.0664 2005 LES_int_01 2360.0664 do you feel. 2360.9451 2006 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2361.3309 You mean with that little [area?] 2362.4537 2007 LES_int_01 2362.2462 [Yeah.] Do you feel that there's any hope? 2363.9731 2008 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2364.0646 If [they don't.] 2364.8640 2009 LES_int_01 2364.3514 [For like hope] for [/inaudible/] 2366.4810 2010 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2365.5901 [There would be hope] if they wou- if it wasn't for Sheldon Silver, but because he is 2369.6847 2011 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2370.3071 reigning over that, and his- 2371.5893 2012 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2371.5893 (pause 0.16) 2371.7540 2013 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2371.7540 and his 2372.4070 2014 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2372.4070 (pause 0.46) 2372.8646 2015 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2372.8646 constituents 2373.9325 2016 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2373.9325 (pause 0.45) 2374.3780 2017 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2374.3780 are the co-ops. 2375.3116 2018 LES_int_01 2375.3848 Yeah. 2375.8364 2019 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2376.6362 This man has a enormous- 2378.2689 2020 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2378.2689 (pause 0.92) 2379.1903 2021 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2379.1903 enormous amount of power. 2380.5145 2022 LES_int_01 2380.5145 Yeah. 2381.0035 2023 LES_int_01 2381.0035 (pause 0.49) 2381.4917 2024 LES_int_01 2381.4917 He really does. 2382.2788 2025 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2382.2788 A lot of power. 2383.3528 2026 LES_int_01 2383.5481 Yeah. 2383.9142 2027 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2384.2559 People don't realize how powerful he is. 2386.0009 2028 LES_int_01 2386.0194 That's true. 2386.6294 2029 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2387.9597 Excuse me. 2388.4110 2030 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2388.4110 (pause 0.32) 2388.7344 2031 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2388.7344 [I'm'a get my water.] 2389.4911 2032 LES_int_01 2388.9114 [/inaudible/] 2389.2470 2033 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2389.8938 Mayor Bloomberg- Oh. Can I offer you some water? 2391.7453 2034 LES_int_01 2392.0601 No, I'm fine, thank you. 2393.1571 2035 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2393.3585 Mayor Bloomberg is uh, pow- 2395.2807 2036 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2395.2807 (pause 0.36) 2395.6407 2037 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2395.6407 thought he was powerful until he ran up against Shel- Sheldon Silver and you saw what real power was. 2400.0039 2038 LES_int_01 2400.0832 Yeah. 2400.6290 2039 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2401.1171 But. 2401.2941 2040 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2401.2941 (pause 0.56) 2401.8555 2041 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2401.8555 Power 2402.4779 2042 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2402.4779 (pause 0.23) 2402.7098 2043 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2402.7098 corrupts. Absolutely. 2403.8963 2044 LES_int_01 2404.0671 Yeah. 2404.4760 2045 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2405.9140 He doesn't want any low income near us, which would put a further strain on the community. 2410.6210 2046 LES_int_01 2410.9688 Right. 2411.2434 2047 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2411.2434 It would further destroy the Lower East Side. 2413.0617 2048 LES_int_01 2415.2341 What do you- What's your opinion about 2416.6120 2049 LES_int_01 2416.6120 (pause 0.20) 2416.8073 2050 LES_int_01 2416.8073 about building height 2417.9484 2051 LES_int_01 2417.9484 (pause 0.48) 2418.4244 2052 LES_int_01 2418.4244 in developments in the community? Like- or on that site in particular. 2421.8688 2053 LES_int_01 2421.8688 (pause 0.74) 2422.6133 2054 LES_int_01 2422.6133 Do you have 2423.1198 2055 LES_int_01 2423.1198 (pause 0.18) 2423.3028 2056 LES_int_01 2423.3028 [parti-] 2423.5704 2057 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2423.3212 [No.] I don't want 2424.4492 2058 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2424.5715 we don't- we don't w- need any twenty three story buildings. [No.] 2427.1263 2059 LES_int_01 2426.9860 [Okay.] 2427.2606 2060 LES_int_01 2427.6023 Okay. So you'd think that something's too tall. 2429.5403 2061 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2429.5403 Yeah. 2429.8881 2062 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2430.2316 Definitely. 2430.7747 2063 LES_int_01 2431.0554 Mm. 2431.3422 2064 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2432.0989 You know. 2432.3979 2065 LES_int_01 2433.1017 Yeah. 2433.3580 2066 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2434.0719 We need uh, 2435.0178 2067 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2435.0178 (pause 1.53) 2436.5507 2068 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2436.5507 six story, 2437.3806 2069 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2437.3806 (pause 0.16) 2437.5454 2070 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2437.5454 seven the most. 2438.6630 2071 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2438.6630 (pause 0.31) 2438.9682 2072 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2438.9682 [Eight] the most. 2439.6882 2073 LES_int_01 2438.9682 [Yeah.] 2439.1817 2074 LES_int_01 2439.9323 Okay. 2440.1907 2075 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2440.9046 But, 2441.2256 2076 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2441.2256 (pause 0.26) 2441.4904 2077 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2441.4904 you can't have 2442.4912 2078 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2442.4912 (pause 0.34) 2442.8268 2079 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2442.8268 inclusion area zoning unless they're 2444.6645 2080 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2444.6645 (pause 0.35) 2445.0123 2081 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2445.0123 higher. 2445.4761 2082 LES_int_01 2446.2572 Yeah. 2446.6218 2083 LES_int_01 2446.6218 (pause 0.73) 2447.3541 2084 LES_int_01 2447.3541 So w- is that a tradeoff that you are willing to take [part in? Like] the- you can go a little higher if you get some more affordable [units?] 2453.5513 2085 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2449.8621 [Yeah.] 2450.4174 2086 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2450.4174 (pause 2.62) 2453.0346 2087 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2453.0346 [Mm-hm.] 2453.4624 2088 LES_int_01 2453.8586 Yeah. 2454.1337 2089 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2454.4754 Mm-hm. 2454.7622 2090 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2454.7622 (pause 0.57) 2455.3339 2091 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2455.3339 Especially for people like you and your husband. 2457.2560 2092 LES_int_01 2457.4696 Yeah. 2457.8968 2093 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2457.8968 Who are not making a lot a lot of money. 2460.1179 2094 LES_int_01 2460.9173 No. 2461.2041 2095 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2461.4665 But, y'all cannot 2462.6276 2096 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2462.6276 (pause 0.18) 2462.8106 2097 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2462.8106 find an apartment 2463.9029 2098 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2463.9029 (pause 0.14) 2464.0433 2099 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2464.0433 that you'd be happy with 2465.3491 2100 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2465.3491 (pause 0.40) 2465.7493 2101 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2465.7493 based- that you can afford. 2466.9846 2102 LES_int_01 2467.1981 [No.] 2467.5948 2103 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2467.3873 [Can] you? 2467.8572 2104 LES_int_01 2468.0158 No. 2468.3820 2105 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2468.9067 You stuck out there with nothing. 2470.0926 2106 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2470.0926 (pause 1.76) 2471.8501 2107 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2471.8501 And at you and your husband's salary, you should be able to buy your first little condo. 2476.3371 2108 LES_int_01 2477.3989 Not gonna happen. 2478.2257 2109 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2478.4027 Uh- yeah. You need to [tell Sheldon Silver] 2480.4530 2110 LES_int_01 2479.6475 [You'd think we would.] 2480.7093 2111 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2480.8314 You need to tell Sheldon [Silver. Write] him a letter. 2483.1554 2112 LES_int_01 2482.2401 [Yeah.] 2482.7465 2113 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2483.2896 [Dear sir,] 2484.0097 2114 LES_int_01 2483.2896 [Yeah.] 2483.6680 2115 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2484.3392 my name is so and so and so and so. I am an anthropologist, my husband is a da da da. 2488.7929 2116 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2488.7929 (pause 0.46) 2489.2567 2117 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2489.2567 We make da da da. We cannot afford to buy. 2491.9406 2118 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2491.9406 (pause 1.24) 2493.1855 2119 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2493.1855 There's nothing out there for us. 2494.7293 2120 LES_int_01 2494.7293 Yeah. 2495.1076 2121 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2495.2768 Would you consider allowing 2497.0647 2122 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2497.0647 (pause 0.16) 2497.2295 2123 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2497.2295 that land to be developed some um, condos that we could buy? 2500.7219 2124 LES_int_01 2500.9294 Yeah. 2501.2406 2125 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2501.4786 I'm serious. 2501.9789 2126 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2501.9789 (pause 0.78) 2502.7590 2127 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2502.7590 I would write him. 2503.3021 2128 LES_int_01 2504.1991 So you- so you think there's a possibility that- 2506.4330 2129 LES_int_01 2506.4330 (pause 1.47) 2507.9036 2130 LES_int_01 2507.9036 that the 2508.2087 2131 LES_int_01 2508.2087 (pause 0.16) 2508.3735 2132 LES_int_01 2508.3735 tide could change a little bit. 2509.8933 2133 LES_int_01 2509.8933 (pause 0.37) 2510.2595 2134 LES_int_01 2510.2595 That things could move down there? 2511.6690 2135 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2513.9879 Not as long as Sheldon Silver is there. 2515.5078 2136 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2515.5078 (pause 0.34) 2515.8434 2137 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2515.8434 As long as people in the co-ops are like they are. And those people are a /bull/ over there. 2519.1459 2138 LES_int_01 2519.3412 Yeah. 2519.7012 2139 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2520.1711 Not all of them, but a significant number of them. 2522.1176 2140 LES_int_01 2522.2641 Yeah. 2522.5631 2141 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2523.3238  And very selfish. 2524.5844 2142 LES_int_01 2525.2007 Mm-hm, 2525.4997 2143 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2526.2381 They think they're better than everybody else. 2527.7819 2144 LES_int_01 2528.7920 Right. 2529.2619 2145 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2530.6348 I see 'em. 2531.4952 2146 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2531.4952 (pause 1.89) 2533.3837 2147 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2533.3837 Unless the community really comes together, and I mean really comes together and really gets ugly and say look. Uh. 2538.5268 2148 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2538.5268 (pause 1.42) 2539.9447 2149 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2539.9447 Finds a law, a loophole, a something to strong arm 2543.3864 2150 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2543.3864 (pause 1.58) 2544.9630 2151 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2544.9630 Silver, 2545.6220 2152 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2545.6220 (pause 0.35) 2545.9760 2153 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2545.9760 into doing it, 2546.7448 2154 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2546.7448 (pause 1.78) 2548.5266 2155 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2548.5266 not gonna do it. 2549.3016 2156 LES_int_01 2549.4359 Yeah. 2549.7166 2157 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2550.3165 Cause those people over there. 2551.6407 2158 LES_int_01 2554.3401 Do you think it's important for people to know about the history of that site? 2557.4895 2159 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2558.0631 Yes it is. 2558.7710 2160 LES_int_01 2559.1920 And the history of the neighborhood kind of in general? 2561.2057 2161 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2561.3827 Mm-hm. 2561.8653 2162 LES_int_01 2562.6036 Like the new folks that are moving in. 2563.9949 2163 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2564.4282 Mm-hm. 2564.8962 2164 LES_int_01 2568.2219 It [has.] 2568.5636 2165 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2568.4416 [If] that will matter to them. 2569.9644 2166 LES_int_01 2570.1109 Yeah. 2570.5990 2167 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2571.0323 But you see, you have a lot of people that moving in that they don't care 2574.2420 2168 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2574.2420 (pause 0.20) 2574.4373 2169 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2574.4373 what the history of the place is. All they want is their immediate gratification. 2578.0670 2170 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2578.0670 (pause 0.39) 2578.4540 2171 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2578.4540 I'm here. 2579.2107 2172 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2579.2107 (pause 0.48) 2579.6928 2173 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2579.6928 This is my apartment. 2580.9434 2174 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2580.9434 (pause 0.65) 2581.5964 2175 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2581.5964 I live here. 2582.4507 2176 LES_int_01 2584.5750 Right. 2584.8536 2177 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2584.8536 In the summers, I'm at the Hamptons, I'm in Europe, blah blah, you know what I mean? 2588.2057 2178 LES_int_01 2588.4498 Yeah. 2588.7427 2179 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2589.2858 They're not interested in the history. 2591.0483 2180 LES_int_01 2591.4083 [Yeah.] 2591.6707 2181 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2591.5182 [Very] few people will be. 2593.0254 2182 LES_int_01 2594.1864 Mm-hm. 2594.5404 2183 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2595.0713 Until something bites them. 2596.7371 2184 LES_int_01 2597.1643 2597.8538 2185 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2598.1947 We have a hurricane and they're flooded out. 2600.1474 2186 LES_int_01 2601.3373 Mm-hm. 2601.7507 2187 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2602.0131 Cause you know, if we- if we get hit with a hurricane, what's gonna happen the- here. 2604.9740 2188 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2604.9740 (pause 0.18) 2605.1509 2189 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2605.1509 [Right?] 2605.3828 2190 LES_int_01 2605.1509 [Yeah.] We're low. 2606.0113 2191 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2607.3904 All of this is gonna be flooded. 2608.6946 2192 LES_int_01 2608.7983 Yeah. 2609.1095 2193 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2610.0432 Mm. 2610.2018 2194 LES_int_01 2611.4552 Um. 2611.9006 2195 LES_int_01 2611.9006 (pause 0.37) 2612.2714 2196 LES_int_01 2612.2714 Okay. I have- 2612.7795 2197 LES_int_01 2612.7795 (pause 0.30) 2613.0845 2198 LES_int_01 2613.0845 I think I have two more questions for you. The first is, uh 2616.8290 2199 LES_int_01 2616.8290 (pause 0.83) 2617.6623 2200 LES_int_01 2617.6623 if you 2618.4129 2201 LES_int_01 2618.4129 (pause 0.54) 2618.9499 2202 LES_int_01 2618.9499 plan to stay in the neighborhood? 2620.4022 2203 LES_int_01 2620.4022 (pause 3.17) 2623.5681 2204 LES_int_01 2623.5681 Do you wanna stay here you know? I- 2625.0692 2205 LES_int_01 2625.0692 (pause 0.25) 2625.3194 2206 LES_int_01 2625.3194 Do you wanna continue living here? 2626.6069 2207 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2628.5699 We have a contract 2629.5706 2208 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2629.5706 (pause 1.41) 2630.9802 2209 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2630.9802 that expires two thousand nineteen. 2633.0489 2210 LES_int_01 2633.2197 Yeah. 2633.5798 2211 LES_int_01 2633.5798 (pause 1.37) 2634.9478 2212 LES_int_01 2634.9478 And you'll stay here til then. 2636.1683 2213 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2636.3696 Mm-hm. 2636.7602 2214 LES_int_01 2636.8639 And then wha- and then what? 2637.9867 2215 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2639.4634 And then we'll have to leave. 2640.6239 2216 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2640.6239 (pause 0.15) 2640.7760 2217 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2640.7760 (pause 0.15) 2640.9224 2218 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2640.9224 Because 2641.3679 2219 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2641.3679 (pause 1.52) 2642.8873 2220 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2642.8873 the federal government 2643.7477 2221 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2643.7477 (pause 1.15) 2644.9010 2222 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2644.9010 is 2645.2332 2223 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2645.2332 (pause 0.32) 2645.5505 2224 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2645.5505 does not 2646.1729 2225 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2646.1729 (pause 0.59) 2646.7677 2226 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2646.7677 make the landlords stay in the program. They can't. 2649.3123 2227 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2649.3123 (pause 0.54) 2649.8493 2228 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2649.8493 He can leave the program. And I know 2651.4211 2229 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2651.4211 (pause 0.32) 2651.7445 2230 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2651.7445 if things 2652.4950 2231 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2652.4950 (pause 0.61) 2653.1053 2232 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2653.1053 continue 2653.6850 2233 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2653.6850 (pause 0.37) 2654.0511 2234 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2654.0511 to go up in this neighborhood the way they've been going up, 2656.5055 2235 LES_int_01 2656.7801 Yeah. 2657.0730 2236 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2657.1280 more luxury than anything else. 2658.6108 2237 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2658.6108 (pause 0.54) 2659.1478 2238 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2659.1478 The landlord will be encouraged to, 2661.1310 2239 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2661.1310 (pause 1.26) 2662.3915 2240 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2662.3915 if not sooner, 2663.2634 2241 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2663.2634 (pause 0.54) 2663.8004 2242 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2663.8004 find some way to either end the contract, or when it ended, you know you going. 2667.3806 2243 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2667.3806 (pause 1.20) 2668.5798 2244 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2668.5798 And he's gonna change the use of the building so that you 2670.6790 2245 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2670.6790 (pause 0.37) 2671.0451 2246 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2671.0451 tha- you can't- you can't use the voucher here 2673.0140 2247 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2673.0140 (pause 0.74) 2673.7584 2248 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2673.7584 to stay here. 2674.3015 2249 LES_int_01 2676.9673 So, you'll be- you'd like to stay 2679.1420 2250 LES_int_01 2679.1420 (pause 0.13) 2679.2702 2251 LES_int_01 2679.2702 in the lo- 2679.6302 2252 LES_int_01 2679.6302 (pause 0.34) 2679.9719 2253 LES_int_01 2679.9719 long term, but you're gonna. 2681.0581 2254 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2681.3205 [Yeah.] 2681.5589 2255 LES_int_01 2681.3205 [Sounds] like you'll be forced to 2682.6939 2256 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2683.1455 Well. 2683.4933 2257 LES_int_01 2683.4933 [go somewhere else.] 2684.6100 2258 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2683.7191 [Unless the co-] 2684.6161 2259 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2687.1360 Unless 2687.5693 2260 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2687.5693 (pause 0.20) 2687.7645 2261 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2687.7645 of course 2688.4236 2262 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2688.4236 (pause 0.13) 2688.5578 2263 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2688.5578 you come into a lot of money. 2689.9369 2264 LES_int_01 2690.3630 [Yeah.] 2691.3699 2265 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2690.9893 [Cause] this area 2691.8519 2266 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2691.9679 so far is very rich, unless something drastic happens. 2695.0197 2267 LES_int_01 2695.2882 Mm-hm. 2695.6665 2268 LES_int_01 2695.6665 (pause 0.27) 2695.9350 2269 LES_int_01 2695.9350 Mm-hm. 2696.1974 2270 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2697.6680 And then you may not wanna live here. 2699.1386 2271 LES_int_01 2699.4621 2700.3280 2272 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2701.4388 So it's rough. (sighing) 2702.7813 2273 LES_int_01 2702.7813 Do you still wanna live here given the- the things that you've talked about in terms of the changes, the 2707.7763 2274 LES_int_01 2707.7763 (pause 0.21) 2707.9838 2275 LES_int_01 2707.9838 changing character of the neighborhood? 2709.8611 2276 LES_int_01 2709.8611 (pause 0.38) 2710.2456 2277 LES_int_01 2710.2456 Is it still a place where you- 2711.7345 2278 LES_int_01 2711.7345 (pause 0.54) 2712.2776 2279 LES_int_01 2712.2776 That you consider home? And that you 2713.7433 2280 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2714.0423 [Well] 2714.4940 2281 LES_int_01 2714.0423 [like?] 2714.5183 2282 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2714.6220 Yeah, I mean, I'm here. 2716.0438 2283 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2716.0438 (pause 0.52) 2716.5686 2284 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2716.5686 I understand it. 2717.4473 2285 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2717.4473 (pause 0.34) 2717.7829 2286 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2717.7829 I know how to get things done. 2719.0949 2287 LES_int_01 2719.7418 Mm-hm. 2720.0286 2288 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2720.7974 So far. 2721.3466 2289 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2721.3466 (pause 0.62) 2721.9691 2290 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2721.9691 Um. 2722.4687 2291 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2722.4687 (pause 0.56) 2723.0301 2292 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2723.0301 When that changes completely, 2724.7326 2293 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2724.7326 (pause 0.27) 2725.0072 2294 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2725.0072 then I'll be ready to leave. 2726.1056 2295 LES_int_01 2726.4135 Okay. 2726.7308 2296 LES_int_01 2726.7308 (pause 1.06) 2727.7925 2297 LES_int_01 2727.7925 Okay. 2728.0793 2298 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2728.2319 Yeah. 2728.4943 2299 LES_int_01 2728.9764 Um. Okay. So my last question then is um, 2731.8022 2300 LES_int_01 2731.8022 (pause 0.24) 2732.0463 2301 LES_int_01 2732.0463 2732.2049 2302 LES_int_01 2732.2049 (pause 0.67) 2732.8762 2303 LES_int_01 2732.8762 If you could 2733.3643 2304 LES_int_01 2733.3643 (pause 0.32) 2733.6850 2305 LES_int_01 2733.6850 think ahead ten years or twenty years. 2735.6391 2306 LES_int_01 2735.6391 (pause 0.20) 2735.8405 2307 LES_int_01 2735.8405 I- I'm interested in where you think the neighborhood's going. 2738.0046 2308 LES_int_01 2738.0046 (pause 0.30) 2738.3036 2309 LES_int_01 2738.3036 What do you think it's gonna be like in ten years? 2740.0976 2310 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2741.6223 If i- 2742.0068 2311 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2742.0068 (pause 0.28) 2742.2875 2312 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2742.2875 nothing changes, and it goes in the same 2744.4964 2313 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2744.4964 (pause 0.55) 2745.0456 2314 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2745.0456 direction it's going now. 2746.2356 2315 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2746.2356 (pause 0.78) 2747.0166 2316 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2747.0166 Then it'll be predominantly white 2748.4037 2317 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2748.4037 (pause 0.43) 2748.8369 2318 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2748.8369 and predominantly rich. 2749.9658 2319 LES_int_01 2750.0756 Mm-hm. 2750.5272 2320 LES_int_01 2750.5272 (pause 1.64) 2752.1626 2321 LES_int_01 2752.1626 And you th- do you think that's gonna happen? 2753.6332 2322 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2753.7735 Mm-hm. 2754.1255 2323 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2754.1255 (pause 0.32) 2754.4429 2324 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2754.4429 Very easily happen. Yeah, sure. 2755.8158 2325 LES_int_01 2756.1637 Yeah. 2756.4688 2326 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2758.4886 You see, if you offer people enough money, 2760.9120 2327 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2760.9120 (pause 0.33) 2761.2415 2328 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2761.2415 everybody has their price as they say. 2762.9383 2329 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2762.9383 (pause 0.99) 2763.9330 2330 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2763.9330 Like Common Ground. 2764.8056 2331 LES_int_01 2765.3181 Yeah. 2765.5500 2332 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2765.5500 Common Ground is determined to get rid of housing. 2767.9728 2333 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2768.3753 I mean, get rid of 2769.1745 2334 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2769.1745 (pause 0.12) 2769.2904 2335 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2769.2904 homelessness. 2769.9677 2336 LES_int_01 2770.4010 Mm. 2770.6390 2337 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2771.1760 Okay. 2771.5482 2338 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2771.5482 (pause 0.90) 2772.4459 2339 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2772.4459 Let's say 2773.1748 2340 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2773.1748 (pause 1.45) 2774.6271 2341 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2774.6271 they wanted to 2775.6888 2342 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2775.6888 (pause 0.54) 2776.2319 2343 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2776.2319 buy this building and that one. 2777.6720 2344 LES_int_01 2780.3408 Mm-hm. 2780.6215 2345 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2782.1349 Now, if they bought Ricky's building for a hundred and seventy million, 2785.4544 2346 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2785.4544 (pause 1.58) 2787.0350 2347 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2787.0350 uh-huh. You get the point? 2788.2127 2348 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2788.2127 (pause 1.67) 2789.8847 2349 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2789.8847 How much are they willing to pay 2791.4502 2350 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2791.4502 (pause 0.98) 2792.4327 2351 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2792.4327 for these two? 2793.0734 2352 LES_int_01 2793.3114 Yeah. 2793.5799 2353 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2794.4464 Two hundred million? 2795.1298 2354 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2795.1298 (pause 0.81) 2795.9353 2355 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2795.9353 Do you think Common Ground would sell? 2797.3270 2356 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2797.3270 (pause 1.69) 2799.0173 2357 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2799.0173 Huh? 2799.1882 2358 LES_int_01 2799.4872 Yeah. 2799.8106 2359 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2800.0425 Uh-huh. 2800.5550 2360 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2800.5550 (pause 1.96) 2802.5127 2361 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2802.5127 [A hundred million.] 2803.5981 2362 LES_int_01 2802.6950 [So] 2803.0550 2363 LES_int_01 2803.0550 (pause 0.20) 2803.2564 2364 LES_int_01 2803.2564 [So you] s- so you see the- the gentrification continuing? 2806.4234 2365 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2807.8597 As long as there's a marketplace for it. 2810.2883 2366 LES_int_01 2810.3982 Yeah. 2810.7094 2367 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2811.2219 The market doesn't change? No. 2812.6743 2368 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2812.6743 (pause 0.24) 2812.9183 2369 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2812.9183 Cause these markets m- 2813.7951 2370 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2813.7951 (pause 0.21) 2814.0087 2371 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2814.0087 change every place else but New York. 2815.4671 2372 LES_int_01 2815.7173 I know. 2816.4068 2373 LES_int_01 2816.4068 (pause 1.71) 2818.1215 2374 LES_int_01 2818.1215 It's true. 2818.7135 2375 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2818.7745 See, what annoys me is the roommates. These white people come in with they- with they goddamn roommates. 2823.3498 2376 LES_int_01 2823.7465 Right. 2824.0516 2377 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2824.1553 And they ruin it. They- they- they 2825.8639 2378 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2825.8639 (pause 0.24) 2826.1080 2379 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2826.1080 move into these a- buildings 2827.6964 2380 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2827.6964 (pause 0.37) 2828.0686 2381 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2828.0686 with they goddamn roommates. Everybody pays a thousand dollars or fifteen hundred dollars 2831.9069 2382 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2831.9069 (pause 0.58) 2832.4866 2383 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2832.4866 and nobody is holding anybody accountable. 2835.2113 2384 LES_int_01 2835.5347 Mm-hm. 2835.9375 2385 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2836.1022 And we have to suffer because 2838.0691 2386 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2838.0691 (pause 0.31) 2838.3803 2387 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2838.3803 they 2838.9539 2388 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2838.9539 (pause 0.52) 2839.4787 2389 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2839.4787 ha- must have some place to live 2841.0591 2390 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2841.0591 (pause 0.27) 2841.3314 2391 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2841.3314 cause they wanna live on the Lower East Side and they're willing to pay anything to do so. 2844.8462 2392 LES_int_01 2845.0537 Right. 2845.4625 2393 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2845.9995 And um, they don't. 2847.4274 2394 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2847.4274 (pause 0.14) 2847.5677 2395 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2847.5677 And then once they get in there, the landlord screws 'em royally. 2850.7672 2396 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2850.7672 (pause 0.37) 2851.1368 2397 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2851.1368 He goes from a yearly lease to month to month 2853.4676 2398 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2853.4676 (pause 1.21) 2854.6819 2399 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2854.6819 because you complained about something. 2856.5306 2400 LES_int_01 2857.1591 Right. 2857.4886 2401 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2858.5443 I've seen that scenarios play out in the GOAL's office so many times. They come in there crying. 2862.6359 2402 LES_int_01 2864.0617 Do they? 2864.4645 2403 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2864.7844 Yeah. And they w- actually wanna have the nerve to use somebody else 2868.3009 2404 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2868.3009 (pause 0.34) 2868.6426 2405 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2868.6426 use 2869.0210 2406 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2869.0210 (pause 0.43) 2869.4542 2407 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2869.4542 low income people to help them fight their cause. 2871.4697 2408 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2871.4697 (pause 0.29) 2871.7565 2409 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2871.7565 Because they know they rich bitch people ain't gonna help them. 2873.9370 2410 LES_int_01 2874.2055 Mm. 2874.8096 2411 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2875.1514 So, they're selfish. They are ve- i- these kids, young people coming in the build- are selfish. 2879.6330 2412 LES_int_01 2879.6330 Mm-hm. Mm-hm. 2880.6276 2413 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2880.7435 I mean very selfish. All they wanna do is go to work, and hang out at the bars, and come home. 2884.5540 2414 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2884.5540 (pause 0.95) 2885.5060 2415 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2885.5060 Or go to dinner. They don't cook. 2886.9491 2416 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2886.9491 (pause 2.08) 2889.0278 2417 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2889.0278 They wanna go to the bars after work, 2891.1994 2418 LES_int_01 2891.3947 Yeah. 2891.7242 2419 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2891.8279 or 2892.2063 2420 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2892.2063 (pause 0.46) 2892.6700 2421 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2892.6700 on the weekends. 2893.5365 2422 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2893.5365 (pause 2.02) 2895.5549 2423 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2895.5549 Right? And then on family days, to either going to their mother's or father who don't live here. 2899.6494 2424 LES_int_01 2900.2047 Mm-hm. 2900.7325 2425 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2901.2453 Mm-hm. 2901.5565 2426 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2901.5565 (pause 0.28) 2901.8372 2427 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2901.8372 Summer vacation, Europe. 2903.0515 2428 LES_int_01 2903.4124 2904.1338 2429 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2904.4999 Yeah. 2904.7562 2430 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2904.7562 (pause 1.54) 2906.3000 2431 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2906.3000 They're not interested in no community. They're not interested in building or changing anything. 2909.7782 2432 LES_int_01 2910.0223 Mm-hm. 2910.3946 2433 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2910.7851 No. 2911.0266 2434 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2911.0266 (pause 0.97) 2911.9968 2435 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2911.9968 They're interested in their own selfish needs in their own little world. 2914.8465 2436 LES_int_01 2915.1668 Yeah. 2915.5173 2437 LES_int_01 2915.5173 (pause 2.70) 2918.2152 2438 LES_int_01 2918.2152 Well, it will be interesting to see what happens here. 2920.4303 2439 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2921.3156 Sad to see what happens [here.] 2923.0399 2440 LES_int_01 2922.7592 [Yeah.] 2923.5341 2441 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2924.1200 But, like I said 2924.9498 2442 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2924.9498 (pause 0.27) 2925.2244 2443 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2925.2244 I would write that letter. 2926.1844 2444 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2926.1844 (pause 0.18) 2926.3614 2445 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2926.3614 Let everybody know, I exist and tha- there's nothing for me. 2929.2660 2446 LES_int_01 2929.5345 Yeah. 2929.9800 2447 LES_int_01 2929.9800 (pause 1.50) 2931.4790 2448 LES_int_01 2931.4790 If more people did that. 2932.5192 2449 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2932.6351 [Yes.] 2933.8344 2450 LES_int_01 2933.4805 [It'd be a] good thing. 2934.2522 2451 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2934.4048 Yes. 2935.1553 2452 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2935.1553 (pause 0.35) 2935.5032 2453 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2935.5032 Say, look. You need to develop some co-ops for me. 2937.9627 2454 LES_int_01 2938.5302 Yeah. 2938.8109 2455 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2938.8109 Cause I heard Brooklyn had developed some 2940.6538 2456 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2940.7758 condos 2941.5936 2457 LES_int_01 2942.0940 I [I think] 2942.6981 2458 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2942.3136 [in Yak] in /Yatsee's/ [district.] 2944.7789 2459 LES_int_01 2944.2358 [Yeah.] 2944.7789 2460 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2944.9009 [Yeah.] 2945.2488 2461 LES_int_01 2944.9009 [If] we ever bought, we'd have to move to Brooklyn I think because 2947.7339 2462 LES_int_01 2949.1801 we couldn't afford it. 2950.0832 2463 LES_int_01 2950.0832 (pause 0.48) 2950.5591 2464 LES_int_01 2950.5591 Couldn't afford it around here. 2951.6409 2465 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2955.0398 Are you living on Lower East Side now? 2956.5319 2466 LES_int_01 2956.5319 Yeah. 2956.8980 2467 LES_int_01 2956.8980 (pause 0.60) 2957.4960 2468 LES_int_01 2957.4960 Fifth Street. 2958.0330 2469 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2958.9676 Oh my [God.] 2960.1167 2470 LES_int_01 2959.8951 [Yeah.] 2960.1758 2471 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2960.7189 In what? 2961.2485 2472 LES_int_01 2961.8980 Ten- 2962.1787 2473 LES_int_01 2962.1787 (pause 0.15) 2962.3251 2474 LES_int_01 2962.3251 tenement. 2962.6729 2475 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2962.9475 No, but Fifth and what? Between [what and what?] 2964.8550 2476 LES_int_01 2964.5621 [Oh A] and B.] 2965.2761 2477 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2966.4050 Are you living in /RD-NAME-3/ 2967.5884 2478 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2967.5884 (pause 0.18) 2967.7654 2479 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2967.7654 /RD-NAME-3/'s building? 2968.6685 2480 LES_int_01 2970.1513 No. 2970.4869 2481 LES_int_01 2970.4869 (pause 0.36) 2970.8470 2482 LES_int_01 2970.8470 I don't know. 2971.4389 2483 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2971.8111 [/RD-NAME-5/ 2972.7368 2484 LES_int_01 2971.9191 [/inaudible/] people in my building, no. 2973.7559 2485 LES_int_01 2973.9023 I don't [think so.] 2974.4515 2486 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2974.1586 [/RD-NAME-5/] lives in Fifth Street 2976.2677 2487 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2976.3808 between [A and B.] Yeah. 2977.5553 2488 LES_int_01 2976.7654 [Really?] 2977.1926 2489 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2977.9092 She lives in the HFC. 2979.1453 2490 LES_int_01 2980.2925 Oh, yeah, yeah. 2981.1584 2491 LES_int_01 2981.1584 (pause 0.15) 2981.3049 2492 LES_int_01 2981.3049 Mm-hm. 2981.5550 2493 LES_int_01 2981.5550 (pause 0.11) 2981.6649 2494 LES_int_01 2981.6649 That's not my buildi- I live in, um, a little farther towards A. 2984.5414 2495 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2985.0540 [Okay.] 2985.6215 2496 LES_int_01 2985.0670 [Over on] 2985.6581 2497 LES_int_01 2985.9083 in just a little tenement building. 2987.2935 2498 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2987.5620 How is it? 2988.1795 2499 LES_int_01 2988.8141 I- we love it actually, we've been there for five years and it's great but. 2992.0116 2500 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 2992.1032 How expensive is it? 2993.0809 2501 LES_int_01 2996.2100 But it helps being married 2997.2100 2502 LES_int_01 2997.2100 (pause 0.16) 2997.3697 2503 LES_int_01 2997.3697 to share a room and everything like that. 2999.0895 2504 LES_int_01 2999.0895 (pause 1.04) 3000.1330 2505 LES_int_01 3000.1330 But, it's crazy. You know, it's crazy. 3001.6951 2506 LES_int_01 3001.6951 (pause 1.60) 3003.2940 2507 LES_int_01 3003.2940 But, we moved here from Brooklyn 3004.6120 2508 LES_int_01 3004.6120 (pause 0.32) 3004.9354 2509 LES_int_01 3004.9354 because 3005.3445 2510 LES_int_01 3005.3445 (pause 0.13) 3005.4726 2511 LES_int_01 3005.4726 Brooklyn be- was becoming just as expensive. 3007.6400 2512 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3008.7628 [Where in Brooklyn?] 3009.6178 2513 LES_int_01 3009.1235 [We found a] good deal. 3009.9900 2514 LES_int_01 3010.1548 Williamsburg. 3010.7284 2515 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3013.3157 You know where Freddy's is? 3014.5606 2516 LES_int_01 3015.2261 Yeah. 3015.4885 2517 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3015.4885 The bar? 3016.1475 2518 LES_int_01 3016.1475 Yeah. 3016.4587 2519 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3017.2215 You know the owner? 3017.9965 2520 LES_int_01 3018.5701 No. 3018.8325 2521 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3019.6257 /RD-NAME-4/ 3020.3474 2522 LES_int_01 3020.7624 No. 3021.0797 2523 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3021.9706 She own Freddy's. 3022.7578 2524 LES_int_01 3022.8493 Oh. 3023.2826 2525 LES_int_01 3023.2826 (pause 0.32) 3023.5999 2526 LES_int_01 3023.5999 Cool. 3023.8928 2527 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3024.2223 She trained me. 3024.9581 2528 LES_int_01 3025.1533 Oh, really? 3026.0259 2529 LES_int_01 3026.0259 (pause 0.98) 3027.0084 2530 LES_int_01 3027.0084 That's great. 3027.5027 2531 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3027.8078 Remember in the story I told [you? They] called- that was- that- that was her boss. 3030.7436 2532 LES_int_01 3028.7727 [Yeah.] 3029.0839 2533 LES_int_01 3031.0243 Oh. That's [funny.] 3031.9519 2534 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3031.8908 Freddy's. 3032.4677 2535 LES_int_01 3032.5743 That's terrific. 3033.3126 2536 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3033.8862 So, 3034.1641 2537 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3034.1641 (pause 0.19) 3034.3533 2538 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3034.3533 yeah, I used to go to Freddy's /and they did/ the whole Williamsburg. 3037.3702 2539 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3037.3702 (pause 0.28) 3037.6509 2540 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3037.6509 They got them people over there are racist. 3039.6524 2541 LES_int_01 3039.6524 Uh, there's a lot of [young-] 3041.2761 2542 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3040.9804 [No, they racist.] 3042.3046 2543 LES_int_01 3041.4927 [a lot of young] people over there in [Williamsburg.]7 3044.4708 2544 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3043.1406 [They're racist.] 3043.8301 2545 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3043.8301 (pause 0.29) 3044.1179 2546 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3044.1179 [They] are racist. I mean the older people- I used to [walk] 3047.3206 2547 LES_int_01 3046.5041 [Oh the older people?] 3047.5952 2548 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3047.9736 through Williamsburg, because I was giving a talk at the Ninetieth precinct 3051.1579 2549 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3051.1579 (pause 0.14) 3051.2982 2550 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3051.2982 and the Ninety-four. 3052.3905 2551 LES_int_01 3052.6285 Yeah. 3053.0434 2552 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3053.3809 And not so much when I went to the Ninetieth, but when I went to the Ninety-four, 3056.5235 2553 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3056.5235 (pause 0.45) 3056.9689 2554 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3056.9689 I had to walk past the park. 3058.2016 2555 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3058.2016 (pause 0.73) 3058.9277 2556 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3058.9277 I mean, the looks I got 3059.9693 2557 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3059.9693 (pause 1.45) 3061.4155 2558 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3061.4155 I used to have to tell them, look, I know /RD-NAME-2/, and I'm a organizer. 3064.4482 2559 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3064.4482 (pause 0.49) 3064.9364 2560 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3064.9364 And don't look at me that way. 3065.7938 2561 LES_int_01 3066.0135 Ah. (laughing) [seriously?] 3067.2888 2562 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3067.0752 [Yeah,] they don't want no [blacks running around,] new black people running around the neighborhood. 3070.3948 2563 LES_int_01 3067.8441 [Oh.] 3068.9242 2564 LES_int_01 3070.3948 Oh, that's terrible. 3071.5462 2565 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3071.5462 Mm-hm. 3072.0160 2566 LES_se0_ag4_f_01 3072.7666 Mm-hm. 3073.1754