Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1.2046 When you come home, like Saturday, 3.0794 2 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 3.0794 (pause 0.48) 3.5615 3 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 3.5615 evening, with your shoe shine box, 5.3616 4 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 5.3616 (pause 0.70) 6.0605 5 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 6.0605 all the guys knew that you had um, 7.9888 6 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 7.9888 (pause 0.82) 8.8126 7 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 8.8126 been out working, 9.6058 8 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 9.6058 (pause 0.40) 10.0044 9 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 10.0044 so they try to shake you down, take your money. 11.9510 10 LES_int_01 12.2439 Oh, right. 13.7756 11 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 13.8793 So, I sta- I noticed that um, 16.5093 12 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 16.5093 (pause 0.67) 17.1744 13 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 17.1744 there was a music store 18.7976 14 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 18.7976 (pause 0.49) 19.2918 15 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 19.2918 up on Utica Avenue 20.5062 16 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 20.5062 (pause 1.25) 21.7603 17 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 21.7603 I called Sam Ash. 23.0845 18 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 23.0845 (pause 1.22) 24.3073 19 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 24.3073 And uh, 24.9541 20 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 24.9541 (pause 0.47) 25.4240 21 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 25.4240 I stopped in there one 26.6078 22 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 26.6078 (pause 0.53) 27.1387 23 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 27.1387 one evening, I said I asked him if he wanted a shoe shine, 29.5133 24 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 29.5133 (pause 0.37) 29.8794 25 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 29.8794 he said, yeah. 30.5751 26 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 30.5751 (pause 0.54) 31.1120 27 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 31.1120 And I said, you know if you leave your- h- I n- he was open seven days 34.4664 28 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 34.4664 (pause 0.26) 34.7274 29 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 34.7274 said if you leave your um 36.0225 30 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 36.0225 (pause 1.76) 37.7863 31 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 37.7863 if I could leave my box here overnight 39.7817 32 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 39.7817 (pause 0.37) 40.1539 33 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 40.1539 I said, I'll shine your shoes for free. 41.7404 34 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 41.7404 (pause 0.22) 41.9601 35 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 41.9601 Know, i- 42.3324 36 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 42.3324 (pause 0.29) 42.6192 37 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 42.6192 every week. 43.2159 38 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 43.2159 (pause 1.18) 44.3975 39 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 44.3975 So, he said, okay. 45.5569 40 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 45.5569 (pause 0.49) 46.0511 41 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 46.0511 So um, so I made a deal with Sam. 47.7841 42 LES_int_01 48.2967 Uh-huh. 48.5530 43 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 48.6873 Nice guy. Really n- nice guy. 50.6005 44 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 50.6005 (pause 0.93) 51.5281 45 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 51.5281 But he paid me anyways and flipped me a quarter for the shoe shine anyway. 54.6637 46 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 54.6637 (pause 0.51) 55.1763 47 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 55.1763 But I um, 55.8781 48 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 55.8781 (pause 0.26) 56.1344 49 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 56.1344 used to leave my box there Saturday. Sunday, 57.9854 50 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 57.9854 (pause 0.29) 58.2722 51 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 58.2722 I'd just come pick my box up then go 60.0052 52 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 60.0052 (pause 0.13) 60.1395 53 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 60.1395 p- on East and Parkway and shine. 61.4538 54 LES_int_01 61.7650 That's really nice. 62.7048 55 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 62.8634 But then I- 63.6384 56 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 63.6384 (pause 0.49) 64.1327 57 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 64.1327 Once I started working in the- in the- in the repair shop, 67.4615 58 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 67.4615 (pause 0.90) 68.3589 59 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 68.3589 or the service shop, 69.4695 60 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 69.4695 (pause 0.94) 70.4093 61 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 70.4093 uh, 71.0317 62 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 71.0317 (pause 0.78) 71.8128 63 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 71.8128 you know I 72.3925 64 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 72.3925 (pause 0.23) 72.6182 65 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 72.6182 gave up shining. 73.5397 66 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 73.5397 (pause 0.64) 74.1831 67 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 74.1831 because y- you know, I just was trying to make m- 75.9955 68 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 75.9955 (pause 0.23) 76.2212 69 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 76.2212 you know, 76.6850 70 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 76.6850 (pause 0.33) 77.0145 71 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 77.0145 better myself as far as 78.2960 72 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 78.2960 (pause 0.34) 78.6377 73 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 78.6377 making money was concerned, [just] 80.1937 74 LES_int_01 79.8686 [Mm-hm.] 80.2147 75 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 80.8181 cause the- oh, I had other things I used to do all the time, there was people 83.9180 76 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 83.9180 (pause 0.32) 84.2353 77 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 84.2353 after school, I would go to their house, older people. 86.7584 78 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 86.7584 (pause 0.71) 87.4662 79 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 87.4662 Uh, they couldn't go out, I'd go get them the newspaper or anything they wanted from the store. 92.5630 80 LES_int_01 92.6912 Mm. 93.0512 81 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 93.2892 Anything. 93.9091 82 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 93.9091 (pause 0.40) 94.3058 83 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 94.3058 Uh. 94.5560 84 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 94.5560 (pause 0.53) 95.0868 85 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 95.0868 Anyway I could make a dollar, I was trying to do it. 97.1231 86 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 97.1231 (pause 0.35) 97.4774 87 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 97.4774 I. 97.5994 88 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 97.5994 (pause 0.76) 98.3622 89 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 98.3622 At that time, I think we called it you know, being a hu- you were hustling, really. 102.6616 90 LES_int_01 103.0034 Mm. 103.3085 91 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 103.7600 Know. 104.0346 92 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 104.0346 (pause 1.13) 105.1664 93 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 105.1664 Came very very natural. 106.5882 94 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 106.5882 (pause 1.65) 108.2373 95 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 108.2373 [I see the kids] today with 109.7140 96 LES_int_01 108.2373 [Exactly.] 108.9329 97 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 110.2449 their gadgets and their skateboards and everything. 112.5271 98 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 112.5271 (pause 0.34) 112.8688 99 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 112.8688 If we wanted a skateboard, 114.3592 100 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 114.3592 (pause 0.57) 114.9267 101 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 114.9267 we used to make our scooters. 116.3973 102 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 116.3973 (pause 0.69) 117.0869 103 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 117.0869 We used to 117.6300 104 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 117.6300 (pause 0.22) 117.8496 105 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 117.8496 [get] 118.1031 106 LES_int_01 117.9168 [Mm-hm.] 118.3500 107 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 118.4354 two pieces of uh, two by fours, 120.5622 108 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 120.5622 (pause 0.31) 120.8734 109 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 120.8734 and nail 'em together and get one old skate 123.1898 110 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 123.1898 (pause 0.35) 123.5376 111 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 123.5376 or two old skates, whatever the best 125.4354 112 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 125.4354 (pause 0.32) 125.7548 113 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 125.7548 wheels were on 'em and we nail 'em to the bottom 127.7014 114 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 127.7014 (pause 0.29) 127.9943 115 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 127.9943 and you had yourself a- 129.3197 116 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 129.3197 (pause 0.37) 129.6920 117 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 129.6920 a scooter. 130.2717 118 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 130.2717 (pause 0.53) 130.8026 119 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 130.8026 [And go all] over with it. 132.0736 120 LES_int_01 130.8026 [Mm-hm.] 131.2891 121 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 133.7681 133.9024 122 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 133.9024 (pause 0.48) 134.3783 123 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 134.3783 Used to go to the movies 135.6781 124 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 135.6781 (pause 0.84) 136.5202 125 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 136.5202 uh, 137.0145 126 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 137.0145 (pause 0.13) 137.1426 127 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 137.1426 every Sunday. 138.1556 128 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 138.1556 (pause 0.56) 138.7170 129 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 138.7170 used to shine in the morning, 140.1220 130 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 140.1220 (pause 0.48) 140.5980 131 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 140.5980 and then in the s- afternoon, we'd come home, 142.7948 132 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 142.7948 (pause 0.24) 143.0328 133 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 143.0328 go to movies. I lived in the movies, oh man. 145.5041 134 LES_int_01 145.9512 What- what were the movies at the time that you used to go see? 148.5387 135 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 148.5324 A lot of cowboy movies. I [think I've seen] every old cowboy movie ever made. 152.3971 136 LES_int_01 150.2126 [Oh yeah?] 150.7129 137 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 152.7022 Plus i- 153.0684 138 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 153.0684 (pause 0.15) 153.2148 139 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 153.2148 l- 153.4589 140 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 153.4589 (pause 0.12) 153.5809 141 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 153.5809 you know, whole lot of other stuff too, but 155.1100 142 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 155.1100 (pause 0.39) 155.5042 143 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 155.5042 I used to love cowboy movies. 157.1237 144 LES_int_01 157.4044 John Wayne kind of 158.4722 145 LES_int_01 158.4722 (pause 0.46) 158.9299 146 LES_int_01 158.9299 [stuff?] 159.3082 147 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 159.1923 [John] Wayne was never my favorite 161.2286 148 LES_int_01 161.2286 No? [ I re- cause] that's the only one I've seen. 163.2850 149 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 161.7595 [And I co-] 162.3636 150 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 163.3600 Oh. [Really?] 164.3119 151 LES_int_01 164.1716 [Yeah.] I don't know 165.0747 152 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 165.0747 There was Allen Rocky Lane 166.7952 153 LES_int_01 167.1553 No, never heard of him. 168.1377 154 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 168.6137 Um, so many 169.6633 155 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 169.6633 (pause 0.44) 170.1030 156 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 170.1030 other guys, there was uh 171.8055 157 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 171.8055 (pause 1.04) 172.8490 158 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 172.8490 uh, who was- there was so many. 174.5942 159 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 174.5942 (pause 0.59) 175.1838 160 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 175.1838 That guy who played Red Rider, there uh 177.7956 161 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 177.7956 (pause 0.90) 178.6987 162 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 178.6987 um, 179.5652 163 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 179.5652 (pause 0.23) 179.7971 164 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 179.7971 um, 180.1179 165 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 180.1179 (pause 0.18) 180.3009 166 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 180.3009 uh, Wild Bill Elliot. 181.9302 167 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 181.9302 (pause 0.88) 182.8089 168 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 182.8089 Um. 183.3520 169 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 183.3520 (pause 1.32) 184.6683 170 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 184.6683 I forgot the name of the guy who played Red Rider. 186.9322 171 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 186.9322 (pause 0.79) 187.7193 172 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 187.7193 But there was Hoot Gibson, Hop Along Cassidy, 190.3955 173 LES_int_01 190.5208 [/That's all I recognize/.] 191.5671 174 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 191.1903 [Mm.] 191.5503 175 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 191.8234 I can 192.2505 176 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 192.2505 (pause 0.16) 192.4153 177 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 192.4153 recognize him 193.0743 178 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 193.0743 (pause 0.84) 193.9103 179 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 193.9103 right now. 194.4256 180 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 194.4256 (pause 2.04) 196.4698 181 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 196.4698 You go to so many cowboy movies, it become 198.5690 182 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 198.5690 (pause 0.59) 199.1561 183 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 199.1561 part of your culture. 200.2850 184 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 200.2850 (pause 0.12) 200.4070 185 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 200.4070 [We come] out of the movie, walking home, hear a noise, or something like you get ready to draw for your [gun.] 204.7780 186 LES_int_01 200.4070 [Yeah.] 200.7365 187 LES_int_01 200.7365 (pause 3.89) 204.6254 188 LES_int_01 204.6254 [] 205.8276 189 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 205.5021 [I-] 205.7857 190 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 206.0717 You know, you think you 207.0358 191 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 207.0358 (pause 0.15) 207.1822 192 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 207.1822 walking around carrying a gun all the time. 209.1369 193 LES_int_01 209.1369 Yeah. 209.5945 194 LES_int_01 209.5945 (pause 0.34) 209.9363 195 LES_int_01 209.9363 210.4794 196 LES_int_01 210.4794 (pause 0.71) 211.1933 197 LES_int_01 211.1933 That's funny. 211.8157 198 LES_int_01 211.8157 (pause 0.89) 212.7066 199 LES_int_01 212.7066 Um, and how was your neighborhood growing up? Was spea- I mean, [speaking /about/ was it safe?] 216.5289 200 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 215.7844 [My neighborhood was] very unique. Uh. I wanted to, and I haven't done it yet. 220.0075 201 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 220.3614 I wanted to start writing a book about our old neighborhood. 222.7535 202 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 222.7535 (pause 0.59) 223.3393 203 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 223.3393 [Because] 223.7162 204 LES_int_01 223.5149 [You] should. 224.2044 205 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 224.2044 the block that 225.1014 206 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 225.6506 that I lived on 226.6636 207 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 226.6636 (pause 1.74) 228.4048 208 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 228.4048 it was 228.9479 209 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 228.9479 (pause 0.22) 229.1675 210 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 229.1675 about 229.5459 211 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 229.5459 (pause 0.77) 230.3134 212 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 230.3134 one th- 231.0212 213 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 231.0212 (pause 0.18) 231.1982 214 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 231.1982 third apartment buildings 232.8458 215 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 232.8458 (pause 0.47) 233.3195 216 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 233.3195 and two thirds brown stones. 235.4552 217 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 235.4552 (pause 0.97) 236.4255 218 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 236.4255 and that block had over two hundred teenagers on it 239.8789 219 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 239.8789 (pause 0.29) 240.1718 220 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 240.1718 from the time that I- that I l- I was living there from si- 242.9727 221 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 242.9727 (pause 0.23) 243.1985 222 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 243.1985 nineteen forty-one 244.4977 223 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 244.4977 (pause 0.24) 244.7418 224 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 244.7418 until nineteen 246.1209 225 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 246.1209 (pause 0.93) 247.0479 226 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 247.0479 /?/ nineteen fifty-two, fifty-three. 249.9408 227 LES_int_01 249.9408 Mm-hm. 250.3680 228 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 251.3344 And 251.6273 229 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 251.6273 (pause 0.43) 252.0606 230 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 252.0606 all of these kids. There was so many kids on this block. 254.9896 231 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 254.9896 (pause 1.32) 256.3116 232 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 256.3116 And they had friends 257.4588 233 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 257.4588 (pause 0.84) 258.2948 234 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 258.2948 and their friends used to come on the block 259.7716 235 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 259.7716 (pause 0.49) 260.2598 236 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 260.2598 anytime, particularly in the warm weather in the summer time. 262.6884 237 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 262.6884 (pause 0.32) 263.0058 238 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 263.0058 You come on that block, you think it was a block party going on, it was so many kids. 267.4542 239 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 267.4542 (pause 0.21) 267.6616 240 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 267.6616 And uh. 268.3085 241 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 268.3085 (pause 1.72) 270.0293 242 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 270.0293 Uh, I had so many friends. 271.1976 243 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 271.1976 (pause 0.37) 271.5699 244 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 271.5699 A lot of 'em are gone now. A lot of 'em are passed away, [lot are retired,] 275.4940 245 LES_int_01 274.4555 [Mm-hm.] 274.9062 246 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 275.8663 went south 276.5248 247 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 276.5248 (pause 0.77) 277.2997 248 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 277.2997 and the whole block has changed, but I mean 279.5515 249 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 279.5515 (pause 1.28) 280.8330 250 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 280.8330 it was something. 281.6079 251 LES_int_01 282.7124 Wha- what kind of uh. What did you do on the block? 284.7929 252 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 286.1048 Uh. 286.7028 253 LES_int_01 286.5076 [Play] games? 287.3680 254 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 287.6487 Y- yeah. 288.4921 255 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 288.4921 (pause 0.37) 288.8643 256 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 288.8643 Well, m- the- the- the guy 290.4418 257 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 290.4418 (pause 0.13) 290.5761 258 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 290.5761 the block was had so many kids, they sort of split it in half. One half of the block was uh, 294.8354 259 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 294.8354 (pause 0.49) 295.3206 260 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 295.3206 well, we call ourselves the Gay Nineties and the other half was the Winos cause they used to like to drink wine. 300.1059 261 LES_int_01 300.2829 301.0212 262 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 301.0212 But the guys used to play stick ball 302.8763 263 LES_int_01 303.3156 Uh-huh. 303.8038 264 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 304.0699 But uh, n- n- 305.4612 265 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 305.4612 (pause 0.69) 306.1507 266 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 306.1507 I never liked stick ball or baseball. 308.5001 267 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 308.5001 (pause 0.79) 309.2903 268 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 309.2903 Only thing I kind of liked was football but nobody wanted to play football cause I like to play rough tackle, they wanted to play tag. 315.2194 269 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 315.2194 (pause 0.56) 315.7808 270 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 315.7808 I w- I like to play rough tackle. I learned to do that down south. 318.8065 271 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 318.8065 (pause 0.33) 319.1360 272 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 319.1360 I used to- them guys down there were so tough. 320.9849 273 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 320.9849 (pause 0.59) 321.5777 274 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 321.5777 They [made me- they made me] t- yeah. 323.3839 275 LES_int_01 321.8218 [They were into football?] 322.6100 276 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 324.9145 But uh, my- my favorite pastime was watching the girls turn 327.9961 277 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 327.9961 (pause 0.35) 328.3439 278 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 328.3439 double dutch. 329.0542 279 LES_int_01 329.0275 [Yeah,] 329.6989 280 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 329.2838 [I sit there] and watch them do that all day long. 331.3585 281 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 331.5843 [] 333.1098 282 LES_int_01 331.8650 [That's- they're really good at that.] 333.3722 283 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 333.6102 Yeah. 334.1701 284 LES_int_01 334.7132 That's hard to do. 335.6054 285 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 337.0747 Mm. 337.4958 286 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 337.4958 (pause 2.64) 340.1365 287 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 340.1365 Yeah. 340.4416 288 LES_int_01 341.3386 And so then. 342.2732 289 LES_int_01 342.2732 (pause 0.10) 342.3708 290 LES_int_01 342.3708 So in high school, 343.4913 291 LES_int_01 343.4913 (pause 0.10) 343.5890 292 LES_int_01 343.5890 you did all these different jobs. And then what about after high school? 346.2678 293 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 346.5247 Yeah. I- I worked in that- that 348.5077 294 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 348.5077 (pause 0.34) 348.8433 295 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 348.8433 mm 349.1911 296 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 349.1911 (pause 0.12) 349.3132 297 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 349.3132 that shop there 350.2895 298 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 350.2895 (pause 0.29) 350.5763 299 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 350.5763 for years until uh, 351.8876 300 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 351.8876 (pause 0.35) 352.2354 301 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 352.2354 til I was about eighteen years [old.] 353.8403 302 LES_int_01 353.6023 [Mm.] 354.0111 303 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 354.2918 At least four years. 355.4390 304 LES_int_01 355.5183 [Oh wow.] 355.8969 305 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 355.7502 [And] I learned a lot about 357.0299 306 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 357.3411 repairing cars, fixing cars, 359.1777 307 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 359.1777 (pause 0.70) 359.8790 308 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 359.8790 and um, 360.6296 309 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 360.6296 (pause 1.20) 361.8256 310 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 361.8256 of course, driving cars. 363.2593 311 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 363.2593 (pause 0.79) 364.0465 312 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 364.0465 And um. 364.8703 313 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 364.8703 (pause 0.70) 365.5720 314 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 365.5720 It was good. 366.2372 315 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 366.2372 (pause 1.43) 367.6659 316 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 367.6659 By the time, at eighteen, nineteen years old, I 369.8383 317 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 369.8383 (pause 0.40) 370.2410 318 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 370.2410 figured it's time to move on. 371.6349 319 LES_int_01 371.9156 Mm. 372.1902 320 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 372.4770 And I 373.0811 321 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 373.0811 (pause 0.43) 373.5083 322 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 373.5083 got a job 374.1429 323 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 374.1429 (pause 0.37) 374.5090 324 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 374.5090 in a factory 375.4061 325 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 375.4061 (pause 0.81) 376.2115 326 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 376.2115 and the day that 377.0501 327 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 377.0501 (pause 0.12) 377.1722 328 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 377.1722 the- the- th- the day that I went in 379.1798 329 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 379.1798 (pause 0.24) 379.4178 330 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 379.4178 to get uh, a factory job, 381.5474 331 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 381.5474 (pause 0.84) 382.3834 332 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 382.3834 that's when they 383.2730 333 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 383.2730 (pause 0.16) 383.4377 334 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 383.4377 up 383.6269 335 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 383.6269 (pause 0.17) 383.7978 336 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 383.7978 the um 384.5544 337 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 384.5544 (pause 0.65) 385.2013 338 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 385.2013 minimum wage from seventy-five cents an hour to a dollar an hour. So you work forty hours, you got forty dollars 390.5917 339 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 390.5917 (pause 0.18) 390.7687 340 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 390.7687 and you come home with thirty-six. 392.1975 341 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 392.1975 (pause 1.06) 393.2592 342 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 393.2592 And that's about the time when- that's when I just about turned twenty, so 396.7524 343 LES_int_01 397.2894 So this was the fifties? 398.5464 344 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 398.5830 Huh? 398.8820 345 LES_int_01 398.8820 This was in the fifties? 400.0659 346 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 400.5357 This was uh, yeah, this was in the- in the beginning [of the- the fifties. Yeah.] 405.1759 347 LES_int_01 404.0056 [Of the fifties.] 404.9989 348 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 405.6824 Around f- fifty-one, fifty-two. Yeah. 407.9376 349 LES_int_01 408.0291 Okay. 408.4318 350 LES_int_01 408.4318 (pause 1.98) 410.4150 351 LES_int_01 410.4150 So that was a big pay increase, to go from seventy-five cents to a dollar. 413.7511 352 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 414.0074 It's a big pay increase if you were getting seventy-five cent, but it wa- 417.0284 353 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 417.0284 (pause 0.32) 417.3518 354 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 417.3518 wasn't that big to me because I started out getting uh, 420.0855 355 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 420.0855 (pause 0.38) 420.4615 356 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 420.4615 a dollar an hour. 421.3568 357 LES_int_01 421.3630 Right. 421.8191 358 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 423.2104 Muh. 423.6742 359 LES_int_01 423.8328 What did the factory make? 424.8885 360 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 426.0845 We made gold trimming for eyeglass frames. 428.6470 361 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 428.6470 (pause 0.41) 429.0558 362 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 429.0558 [Like,] you have a frame [there.] 430.4514 363 LES_int_01 429.2565 [Ah.] 429.6531 364 LES_int_01 429.6531 (pause 0.69) 430.3416 365 LES_int_01 430.3416 [Yeah.] 430.6101 366 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 431.2386 Right along the edges there, sometimes they have gold [trimmings.] 434.2272 367 LES_int_01 434.0746 [Oh] yeah, like [uh.] 435.3133 368 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 434.9167 [Yeah.] 435.3194 369 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 435.5086 [And] I was- [I was a-] 436.6985 370 LES_int_01 435.5086 [Oh.] 435.8503 371 LES_int_01 435.8503 (pause 0.51) 436.3629 372 LES_int_01 436.3629 [Not a sunglass, but an eyeglass to-] 438.0288 373 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 438.0288 On [eyeglasses, yeah.] 439.1014 374 LES_int_01 438.3936 [Yeah, yeah.] 439.2540 375 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 439.5469 And uh, we had um, 440.9199 376 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 440.9199 (pause 0.58) 441.5035 377 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 441.5035 what'd they call it? A p- a press? 442.9863 378 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 442.9863 (pause 0.90) 443.8834 379 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 443.8834 Used to put the little gold thing in there, 445.7241 380 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 445.7241 (pause 0.30) 446.0231 381 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 446.0231 ploom, boom 446.6638 382 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 446.6638 (pause 0.23) 446.8898 383 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 446.8898 or 447.2008 384 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 447.2008 (pause 0.21) 447.4144 385 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 447.4144 someone would foot press and they 448.7814 386 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 448.7814 (pause 0.24) 449.0194 387 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 449.0194 stamp it, and would shape the piece of gold 451.1931 388 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 451.1931 (pause 0.35) 451.5409 389 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 451.5409 and then the- n- had another 453.2619 390 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 453.2619 (pause 0.08) 453.3413 391 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 453.3413 uh, 453.5487 392 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 453.5487 (pause 0.10) 453.6525 393 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 453.6525 uh, 454.0369 394 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 454.0369 (pause 0.22) 454.2566 395 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 454.2566 the girls over there, and they would weld it 455.8736 396 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 455.8736 (pause 0.62) 456.4943 397 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 456.4943 the little pins on it. And they 457.8001 398 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 457.8001 (pause 0.47) 458.2700 399 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 458.2700 you know, it a like a 459.3073 400 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 459.3073 (pause 0.17) 459.4782 401 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 459.4782 assembly line type of [operation.] 461.2796 402 LES_int_01 460.8159 [Yeah.] 461.1454 403 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 462.1461 And uh, 462.5733 404 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 462.5733 (pause 0.13) 462.7075 405 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 462.7075 yeah, I did that for a few years. 464.1047 406 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 464.1047 (pause 0.41) 464.5135 407 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 464.5135 until 464.9651 408 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 464.9651 (pause 0.47) 465.4349 409 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 465.4349 the Union tried to come in 466.9144 410 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 466.9144 (pause 0.87) 467.7870 411 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 467.7870 and 468.3240 412 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 468.3240 (pause 0.57) 468.8976 413 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 468.8976 they tried to bully me 470.2401 414 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 470.2401 (pause 0.59) 470.8259 415 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 470.8259 and they wanted me to stay outside 472.6852 416 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 472.6852 (pause 0.62) 473.3087 417 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 473.3087 and h- and hang out w- w- with some of the other guys who /sat and took-/ 476.5280 418 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 476.5280 (pause 0.34) 476.8636 419 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 476.8636 we gonna get the Union in, I said, well a- a- you know, I can't afford to man, cause 480.6042 420 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 480.6042 (pause 0.29) 480.8971 421 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 480.8971 I just got married, I had a baby. 482.4976 422 LES_int_01 482.9614 [Mm.] 483.2732 423 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 483.1322 [And no way.] 483.8199 424 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 484.1610 I ain't staying outside 485.1069 425 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 485.1069 (pause 0.45) 485.5584 426 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 485.5584 Well they, uh, 486.2602 427 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 486.2602 (pause 0.72) 486.9834 428 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 486.9834 tried to pull one of them gorilla acts. 488.7958 429 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 488.7958 (pause 0.12) 488.9178 430 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 488.9178 You know. 489.2534 431 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 489.2534 (pause 1.68) 490.9300 432 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 490.9300 Bogart 491.5441 433 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 491.5441 (pause 0.11) 491.6539 434 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 491.6539 /you know/, don't, you know, 492.9048 435 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 492.9048 (pause 0.31) 493.2099 436 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 493.2099 Well you- you 494.0459 437 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 494.0459 (pause 0.14) 494.1863 438 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 494.1863 everybody's gonna do this 495.1931 439 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 495.1931 (pause 0.24) 495.4311 440 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 495.4311 wasn't everybody. There was maybe a half a dozen guys in the shop, 498.3026 441 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 498.3026 (pause 0.25) 498.5528 442 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 498.5528 but the rest of 'em 499.3156 443 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 499.3156 (pause 0.46) 499.7794 444 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 499.7794 were just scared to even come to work. 501.5368 445 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 501.5368 (pause 0.52) 502.0555 446 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 502.0555 But I come to work, and I went outside, and they telling me I'm breaking the l- 504.7259 447 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 504.7259 (pause 0.17) 504.8968 448 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 504.8968 breaking the l- 505.7755 449 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 505.7755 (pause 0.11) 505.8853 450 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 505.8853 the line. 506.8800 451 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 506.8800 (pause 0.26) 507.1363 452 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 507.1363 I ain't [breaking nothing] cause the Union ain't in there yet. 509.3360 453 LES_int_01 507.3353 [Oh.] 507.7857 454 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 510.2277 I said, and what are you gonna give me while we're out waiting for the Union to come in? Nothing. I said that's right, you're gonna give me absolutely nothing. 516.5385 455 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 516.5385 (pause 0.29) 516.8314 456 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 516.8314 So, 517.1731 457 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 517.1731 (pause 0.23) 517.3989 458 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 517.3989 you know 517.7589 459 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 517.7589 (pause 0.45) 518.2044 460 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 518.2044 just leave me alone. 519.1536 461 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 519.1536 (pause 0.93) 520.0872 462 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 520.0872 So, they went and got this great big guy, he sposta been an enforcer 523.3519 463 LES_int_01 523.9133 Oh. 524.3648 464 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 524.4136 and he was supposed to enforce it. He- 526.4560 465 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 526.4560 (pause 0.23) 526.6879 466 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 526.6879 he threatened me when I came out. 527.9938 467 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 527.9938 (pause 0.65) 528.6406 468 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 528.6406 Well, he didn't threaten me, one of the other guys threaten me, telling me 531.2078 469 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 531.2078 (pause 0.13) 531.3360 470 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 531.3360 I- 531.6044 471 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 531.6044 (pause 0.13) 531.7326 472 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 531.7326 what I better not do. 533.0568 473 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 533.0568 (pause 0.51) 533.5629 474 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 533.5629 I said, you know what, 534.4416 475 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 534.4416 (pause 0.83) 535.2715 476 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 535.2715 cause I had come to- to work that day, 537.2363 477 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 537.2363 (pause 0.64) 537.8771 478 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 537.8771 I had my shotgun. Cause in them days, you could l- I- 540.2372 479 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 540.2372 (pause 0.15) 540.3898 480 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 540.3898 I used to do a little hunting. 541.6346 481 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 541.6346 (pause 0.20) 541.8376 482 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 541.8376 And you could legally 542.8262 483 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 542.8262 (pause 0.17) 542.9970 484 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 542.9970 carry your gun in your car. 544.3761 485 LES_int_01 544.5287 Right. 544.7301 486 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 545.4562 And uh, 546.1606 487 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 546.1606 (pause 0.59) 546.7525 488 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 546.7525 As long as i- it was broke open and wasn't loaded. 549.0713 489 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 549.0713 (pause 0.71) 549.7791 490 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 549.7791 And uh, 550.4077 491 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 550.4077 (pause 0.96) 551.3630 492 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 551.3630 I said y- and I come out 552.9007 493 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 552.9007 (pause 0.34) 553.2363 494 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 553.2363 I was ready i- you know, if he- w- put his hand on me, do something, I was gonna do him in, but 557.4487 495 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 557.4487 (pause 1.27) 558.7154 496 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 558.7154 he wasn't there, he disappeared. 560.1555 497 LES_int_01 560.9915 He was scared of you. 561.9434 498 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 562.0593 And of- couple of the other guys 563.6677 499 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 563.6677 (pause 0.31) 563.9789 500 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 563.9789 the- the- the guys who were out there 565.8687 501 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 565.8687 (pause 0.44) 566.3108 502 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 566.3108 and I said, you know what, this is not worth it. I said, I can get a job 569.0838 503 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 569.0838 (pause 0.27) 569.3584 504 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 569.3584 doing anything for this kind of money. 571.2064 505 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 571.2064 (pause 0.99) 572.2010 506 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 572.2010 I said- so, 573.0371 507 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 573.0371 (pause 0.80) 573.8364 508 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 573.8364 I never went back. I told the- I told the boss, I said, you know, it ain't got nothing to do with you. 577.7598 509 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 577.7598 (pause 0.23) 577.9856 510 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 577.9856 Except these guys here, they 579.3053 511 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 579.3053 (pause 0.19) 579.4944 512 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 579.4944 it's not worth my effort to try to hurt somebody in order 581.9597 513 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 581.9597 (pause 0.23) 582.1916 514 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 582.1916 make forty dollars an hour. 583.6276 515 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 583.6276 (pause 0.42) 584.0486 516 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 584.0486 So, 584.4208 517 LES_int_01 584.6283 Yeah. 584.9395 518 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 584.9395 He said he understood. 585.9708 519 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 586.2149 So, I went about three or four blocks away on kings 588.6112 520 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 588.6112 (pause 0.54) 589.1482 521 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 589.1482 on uh, 589.8011 522 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 589.8011 (pause 0.26) 590.0635 523 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 590.0635 Queen's Boulevard. 591.1192 524 LES_int_01 591.1585 Mm. 591.4514 525 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 592.1227 And uh, right there, Fifty-eighth Street. 593.9777 526 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 593.9777 (pause 0.20) 594.1730 527 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 594.1730 and got a job in a used car lot, cleaning cars cause I knew how to do that. 598.0722 528 LES_int_01 598.0722 Mm-hmm. 598.5360 529 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 598.7984 And instead of making forty dollars a 600.7083 530 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 600.7083 (pause 0.49) 601.2026 531 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 601.2026 a- an hour, I was making sixty dollars a week. 603.7618 532 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 603.7618 (pause 0.23) 603.9876 533 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 603.9876 Which was a big pay jump. 605.2507 534 LES_int_01 605.5877 That's great. 606.2345 535 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 606.2345 Yeah. 606.6982 536 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 607.9614 And you know, if you wanted to um, 609.7516 537 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 609.7516 (pause 0.72) 610.4690 538 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 610.4690 wanted a little extra money, cause i- i- you know, you. 612.6429 539 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 612.6429 (pause 0.26) 612.9053 540 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 612.9053 I paid my- my rent, which like eighteen, twenty dollars a week. 616.4155 541 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 616.4155 (pause 0.84) 617.2515 542 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 617.2515 Course, I had a little, uh, what they call a, 619.4777 543 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 619.4777 (pause 0.44) 619.9170 544 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 619.9170 a studio. 620.6920 545 LES_int_01 620.9910 Mm-hm. 621.3022 546 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 621.3022 Cause I only had one baby at that time (laughing). 623.6027 547 LES_int_01 623.6515 [] 624.3655 548 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 624.1812 [And] if you wanted some more money to do something else with, you know, you had to figure another way to get it. 628.2664 549 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 628.5532 [So,] 628.7227 550 LES_int_01 628.5532 [Mm-hm.] 628.9620 551 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 629.5770 I did get a part time job at night working night in a gas station. 633.1221 552 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 633.1221 (pause 2.03) 635.1541 553 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 635.1541 Also, if you need a little extra money, I went to the blood bank and I stick it in there, I pump 'em out [a pint of] blood 640.2290 554 LES_int_01 639.2954 [Ah] 639.8812 555 LES_int_01 640.2290 641.0894 556 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 641.4495 And uh, 641.9559 557 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 641.9559 (pause 0.15) 642.1024 558 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 642.1024 we you- they start out giving you five dollars and 644.3504 559 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 644.3504 (pause 0.23) 644.5823 560 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 644.5823 after. 645.0948 561 LES_int_01 645.2535 That's pretty good. 645.9919 562 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 646.2054 After certain amount of uh 647.9845 563 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 647.9845 (pause 0.36) 648.3446 564 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 648.3446 time, you know, after a couple months, they give you six and it went up to eight dollars. So 651.8045 565 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 651.8045 (pause 0.75) 652.5551 566 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 652.5551 I was- 653.0111 567 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 653.0111 (pause 0.13) 653.1453 568 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 653.1453 you was sposta come once a month, but I was every two weeks man, I would give them a pint of blood. 656.6541 569 LES_int_01 656.9287 Uh-huh. 657.2582 570 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 657.2582 And take the money and go buy a bag of reefer, 659.4733 571 LES_int_01 659.8493 661.1283 572 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 661.1283 roll it up, 661.8118 573 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 662.2206 sell half of it and get my money back. 664.0940 574 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 664.0940 (pause 0.18) 664.2709 575 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 664.2709 [So I have extra] money for uh, 666.0711 576 LES_int_01 664.4540 [] 665.0886 577 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 666.3762 you know, 666.7240 578 LES_int_01 667.0413 Yeah. 667.4798 579 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 667.8703 extra money for uh, for myself for the week. 670.2953 580 LES_int_01 670.5393 You were [uh,] 671.4608 581 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 670.9116 [And /??/.] 671.8025 582 LES_int_01 671.8722 you was hustling. 672.6568 583 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 672.9070 Mm. 673.2914 584 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 673.2914 (pause 0.34) 673.6362 585 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 673.6362 I had to do it. 674.2952 586 LES_int_01 674.3562 Yeah. 674.7956 587 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 674.7956 You do what you gotta do. 675.9428 588 LES_int_01 676.5042 That's really [/inaudible/] 677.4657 589 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 676.9192 [It was] 677.4012 590 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 677.6758 very interesting. 678.6457 591 LES_int_01 678.7982 Yeah. 679.1583 592 LES_int_01 679.1583 (pause 1.01) 680.1712 593 LES_int_01 680.1712 Um, and 680.8483 594 LES_int_01 680.8483 (pause 0.56) 681.4100 595 LES_int_01 681.4100 and so. 682.2276 596 LES_int_01 682.2276 (pause 1.30) 683.5309 597 LES_int_01 683.5309 Wow. So, you look really young. 685.2090 598 LES_int_01 685.2090 (pause 0.20) 685.4043 599 LES_int_01 685.4043 I'm amazed. 686.2952 600 LES_int_01 686.2952 (pause 0.18) 686.4721 601 LES_int_01 686.4721 So, you were born in the thirties? 687.6987 602 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 688.3739 Yeah thirty-two. I'm seventy-five. 689.9421 603 LES_int_01 690.1069 You look so much younger than [that. Would never have known that.] 692.6326 604 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 691.6394 [I know. I hear that.] Yeah. 693.0063 605 LES_int_01 693.2809 Re- you do? [Yeah.] 694.1962 606 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 693.9704 [I hear it, yeah.] 694.8125 607 LES_int_01 694.5501 [You don't] look that old at all. 695.6985 608 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 695.8388 Well. 696.1806 609 LES_int_01 696.6016 Um. Okay. So, then this is in the fifties. 698.9387 610 LES_int_01 698.9387 (pause 1.41) 700.3453 611 LES_int_01 700.3453 So, what happened between then 701.7061 612 LES_int_01 701.7061 (pause 0.15) 701.8548 613 LES_int_01 701.8548 and when you moved here? 702.7336 614 LES_int_01 702.7336 (pause 0.13) 702.8678 615 LES_int_01 702.8678 A lot. 703.2743 616 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 704.3811 Oh. Yeah. 705.4239 617 LES_int_01 705.5948 Cause I was jus- I was about to be like, oh when'd you move to the block? But that was 708.4200 618 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 708.4200 Well, [in around] fifty four, I went into- I went into the simonizing business for myself. 712.9670 619 LES_int_01 708.8236 [A lot.] 709.2325 620 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 713.7664 Um. 714.1717 621 LES_int_01 714.3364 What [is that?] 714.8551 622 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 714.6659 [With a] partner. 715.4592 623 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 716.8586 Well I th- they call 717.8227 624 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 717.8227 (pause 0.29) 718.1095 625 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 718.1095 today they call it de- 719.3299 626 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 719.3299 (pause 0.12) 719.4459 627 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 719.4459 car detailing. 720.3917 628 LES_int_01 721.4885 Oh. Okay. 722.6357 629 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 722.8737 [Wa-] 723.1177 630 LES_int_01 722.8737 [Like] painting and. 724.3199 631 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 724.3199 No [painting.] All we did was clean the cars. 726.5777 632 LES_int_01 724.7775 [No.] 725.0634 633 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 726.8453 We [compounded the paint,] 728.3281 634 LES_int_01 727.4189 [Oh.] 728.0413 635 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 728.6638 waxed it, 729.3350 636 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 729.3350 (pause 0.26) 729.5913 637 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 729.5913 shampooed the interiors. 731.0253 638 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 731.0253 (pause 0.67) 731.6904 639 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 731.6904 If they had a vinyl top, we cleaned the vinyl top, and washed the motors. 735.2833 640 LES_int_01 735.2833 Got it. 735.7166 641 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 735.7166 That was it. 736.3390 642 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 736.7234 And I was doing it for uh, used car dealers, 739.2253 643 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 739.2253 (pause 0.80) 740.0262 644 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 740.0262 um, 740.7951 645 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 740.7951 (pause 0.60) 741.3992 646 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 741.3992 parking garages, 742.6989 647 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 742.6989 (pause 0.91) 743.6081 648 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 743.6081 body shops. 744.6394 649 LES_int_01 744.7859 Mm-hm. 745.1581 650 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 745.1581 And then I got contracts with new car dealers, they come 747.6943 651 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 748.2435 they- in them days, th- they used to come 750.5684 652 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 750.5684 (pause 1.22) 751.7852 653 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 751.7852 on ships 752.6883 654 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 752.6883 (pause 0.41) 753.0971 655 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 753.0971 and they used to cover 'em with this stuff called cosmoline. 755.9466 656 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 755.9466 (pause 0.36) 756.3066 657 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 756.3066 It's like- 756.7032 658 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 756.7032 (pause 0.26) 756.9656 659 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 756.9656 it's like 757.3501 660 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 757.3501 (pause 0.20) 757.5453 661 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 757.5453 a really, really heavy wax. 759.6696 662 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 759.6696 (pause 0.24) 759.9137 663 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 759.9137 And you needed kerosene or gasoline to wash it off. 762.1959 664 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 762.1959 (pause 0.49) 762.6902 665 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 762.6902 Now, they put 'em in a container, 764.2584 666 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 764.2584 (pause 0.26) 764.5181 667 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 764.5181 and bring 'em. You don't have to put nothing on 'em. 766.4281 668 LES_int_01 766.6172 [Mm-h.m.] 767.0322 669 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 766.7393 [And they] clean up much easier. But them days, man. 768.9861 670 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 770.1539 They were hard to clean. 771.1974 671 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 771.1974 (pause 0.24) 771.4353 672 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 771.4353 Uh. w- 772.0334 673 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 772.0334 (pause 0.69) 772.7229 674 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 772.7229 I had a good little business going, I- 774.3827 675 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 774.3827 (pause 0.49) 774.8770 676 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 774.8770 I had as many as a half a dozen guys working for me. 778.0544 677 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 778.0544 (pause 0.56) 778.6097 678 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 778.6097 And uh, we were cleaning 780.1890 679 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 780.1890 (pause 0.50) 780.6893 680 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 780.6893 we 781.0188 681 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 781.0188 (pause 0.15) 781.1653 682 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 781.1653 easy- we cleani- w- 782.3918 683 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 782.3918 (pause 0.13) 782.5261 684 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 782.5261 we could turn out a car 784.1309 685 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 784.1309 (pause 1.60) 785.7345 686 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 785.7345 w- easy- I could turn out a car almost a hour by myself. 788.9207 687 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 788.9207 (pause 0.40) 789.3174 688 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 789.3174 I'd do two cars in the morning, 790.7491 689 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 790.7491 (pause 0.24) 790.9932 690 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 790.9932 and three in the [afternoon.] 792.3418 691 LES_int_01 792.1648 [Oh.] 792.5188 692 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 793.0252 By hand. This was before they even got a machine to do 'em with. 795.6359 693 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 795.6359 (pause 0.59) 796.2217 694 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 796.2217 But by the time I got these guys, I wind up- I had two machines, I had a partner 800.1608 695 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 800.1608 (pause 0.27) 800.4293 696 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 800.4293 we had two machines. 801.3324 697 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 801.3324 (pause 0.24) 801.5704 698 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 801.5704 And we were turning out a s- we was turning out a car every half an hour. 804.4633 699 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 804.4633 (pause 0.46) 804.9271 700 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 804.9271 Easy. 805.4275 701 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 805.4275 (pause 0.37) 805.7997 702 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 805.7997 You do f- 806.4469 703 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 806.4469 (pause 0.10) 806.5507 704 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 806.5507 twelve, fifteen, eighteen cars a day. 808.8756 705 LES_int_01 809.4614 And how much you charge? 810.5842 706 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 811.0235 811.3028 707 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 811.3028 (pause 0.41) 811.7177 708 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 811.7177 I find out what they're getting today, I- I- k- I say I should have stayed in the [business.] 815.6231 709 LES_int_01 815.3546 [Oh. (laughing) ] 816.2699 710 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 817.5785 We were charging- for the used car dealers we were charging eight dollars. 821.2025 711 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 821.2025 (pause 0.62) 821.8179 712 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 821.8179 For private people, we were charging fifteen. 823.9850 713 LES_int_01 824.1010 Okay. 824.5220 714 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 825.0651 Uh. 825.7908 715 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 825.7908 (pause 0.95) 826.7366 716 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 826.7366 For the used car dealers, we were charging, let's see. 829.1836 717 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 829.1836 (pause 1.16) 830.3430 718 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 830.3430 The heck would we get? I think we would charging five or six dollars to shampoo the interiors. 834.5577 719 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 834.5577 (pause 0.76) 835.3205 720 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 835.3205 And uh, three dollars for a motor wash. 837.5089 721 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 837.5089 (pause 0.47) 837.9788 722 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 837.9788 Fo- for private people, we got eight dollars to shampoo the in- 841.7011 723 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 841.7011 (pause 0.53) 842.2355 724 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 842.2355 the interiors. 843.4193 725 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 843.4193 (pause 0.24) 843.6634 726 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 843.6634 And same price for the motor wash, three dollars cause 846.3306 727 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 846.3306 (pause 0.56) 846.8859 728 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 846.8859 y- we used a chemical 847.9293 729 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 847.9293 (pause 0.20) 848.1246 730 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 848.1246 so- most of the time, we used kerosene and then, um, 850.8178 731 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 850.8178 (pause 0.44) 851.2564 732 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 851.2564 hosed it down, but otherwise, you used chemical on it. 853.7895 733 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 853.7895 (pause 0.96) 854.7537 734 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 854.7537 W- a guy came along and he was selling chemicals, 857.1464 735 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 857.1464 (pause 0.91) 858.0557 736 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 858.0557 a degreasing chemical, and it worked pretty good, so we tried using that. 861.6315 737 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 861.6315 (pause 0.24) 861.8668 738 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 861.8668 861.9584 739 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 861.9584 (pause 0.30) 862.2574 740 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 862.2574 Worked faster too. 863.4144 741 LES_int_01 863.7500 Hm. 864.1467 742 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 864.6043 Uh, that was the story. 865.9834 743 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 865.9834 (pause 1.24) 867.2221 744 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 867.2221 But uh, we did pretty good. 868.6840 745 LES_int_01 868.7529 And what do they charge today? 869.9306 746 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 870.7666 I was just talking to my friend of mine over the weekend, she said they get like two hundred dollars to do a car. 875.6240 747 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 875.6240 (pause 0.43) 876.0546 748 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 876.0546 I said you got to be [kidding me.] 877.7266 749 LES_int_01 877.1530 [Oh my] god. 878.2026 750 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 878.2636 And i- she's a- a good friend. I known her for twe- 880.9026 751 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 880.9026 (pause 0.16) 881.0674 752 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 881.0674 thirty years. 881.9339 753 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 881.9339 (pause 0.83) 882.7638 754 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 882.7638 And the- I used to do her car for her, and still do occasionally, 886.1031 755 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 886.1031 (pause 0.27) 886.3716 756 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 886.3716 if she wants to get it done. 887.6348 757 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 887.6348 (pause 0.43) 888.0619 758 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 888.0619 And uh. 888.7409 759 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 888.7409 (pause 0.17) 888.9117 760 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 888.9117 she wants to give me like 889.9308 761 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 889.9308 (pause 0.25) 890.1812 762 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 890.1812 forty do- I said, what are you crazy? I said 892.2071 763 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 892.2071 (pause 0.80) 893.0057 764 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 893.0057 you know, I- I- I sometimes would take a twenty dollar bill off of her, and a- I figured that was just too much. Just to 898.0213 765 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 898.0213 (pause 0.39) 898.4153 766 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 898.4153 make her feel good, but uh. 899.8188 767 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 899.8188 (pause 0.52) 900.3414 768 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 900.3414 She said, you go somewhere, this is what they charge now. 902.6968 769 LES_int_01 902.7884 Yeah. 903.1667 770 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 903.2949 We charged a dollar to wash a car. 905.1370 771 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 905.1370 (pause 0.26) 905.3933 772 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 905.3933 I don't know what they get now. I think 906.7602 773 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 906.7602 (pause 0.23) 906.9859 774 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 906.9859 I went with her daughter to get her car washed, and I think it was five or six dollars just to wash her car. 911.7097 775 LES_int_01 911.7097 Yeah. 912.1003 776 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 913.0034 I said, [wow.] 913.8028 777 LES_int_01 913.6197 [It's] crazy. 914.2238 778 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 914.2238 But it's a different wold now. 915.4626 779 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 916.2376 Eh- I mean, when I- I went to school 918.3917 780 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 918.3917 (pause 0.62) 919.0160 781 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 919.0160 e- when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-5/ and when I went high school, the subway was a nickel. 922.9641 782 LES_int_01 923.9655 [Mm-hm.] 924.6002 783 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 924.2585 [And] you gotta pay for transfer it if you wanna catch a trolley car when you got on. 928.0174 784 LES_int_01 928.0662 Yeah. 928.4324 785 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 929.0670 Now, they talking about going up to three dollars. 931.1054 786 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 931.1054 (pause 1.07) 932.1733 787 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 932.1733 During the war, you know what a pack of cigarettes cost? 934.4738 788 LES_int_01 934.4738 What? 934.8277 789 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 935.1389 They cost twenty cents. 936.6683 790 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 936.6683 (pause 0.23) 936.9002 791 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 936.9002 And [the soldiers] could get them for fifteen cents. They had- 939.7602 792 LES_int_01 937.2782 [] 937.6077 793 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 939.9997 they had a- uh, 940.8572 794 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 940.8572 (pause 0.23) 941.0830 795 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 941.0830 it was like like a soldier e- uh, uh, 942.5475 796 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 942.5475 (pause 0.16) 942.7062 797 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 942.7062 soldier's special. 943.5910 798 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 943.5910 (pause 0.29) 943.8778 799 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 943.8778 They was selling s- uh, Sanos, 945.9477 800 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 945.9477 (pause 0.20) 946.1491 801 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 946.1491 was a- which was a brand name of cigarettes. 948.0868 802 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 948.0868 (pause 0.24) 948.3309 803 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 948.3309 They were fifteen cents a pack. 949.7537 804 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 949.7537 (pause 0.68) 950.4371 805 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 950.4371 And you could go at 951.1206 806 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 951.1206 (pause 0.16) 951.2792 807 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 951.2792 any candy store and buy loosies. Loosies were a- uh, a penny a piece. 954.9771 808 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 954.9771 (pause 1.10) 956.0776 809 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 956.0776 I seen somebody w- w- selling loosies today. I think they're about twenty-five or fifty cents now for one cigarette. 961.8658 810 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 961.8658 (pause 0.23) 962.0916 811 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 962.0916 Said you must really have to have a 963.7209 812 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 963.7209 (pause 0.24) 963.9589 813 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 963.9589 cigarette bad. You got a serious jones. 966.4364 814 LES_int_01 966.4364 Yeah. 966.8819 815 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 966.8819 You about to pay fifty cents for one cigarette? 969.2749 816 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 970.4648 Two dollars, 971.2459 817 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 971.2459 (pause 0.32) 971.5637 818 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 971.5637 would buy you a carton of cigarettes. 973.2601 819 LES_int_01 975.1399 [It's crazy /??/.] 976.2875 820 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 975.4191 [Cigarettes today], I think are about six, seven dollars a pack [right?] 978.7676 821 LES_int_01 978.6456 [Yeah.] 979.1393 822 LES_int_01 979.3473 [They're really expensive.] 980.4823 823 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 979.3901 [Something like that./] 980.0918 824 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 980.6105 I never smoked in my life, [so I don't] car- [Never bothered me.] 983.6787 825 LES_int_01 981.8908 [Yeah.] 982.2569 826 LES_int_01 982.2569 (pause 0.27) 982.5254 827 LES_int_01 982.5254 [Well, I couldn't-] I couldn't afford to now, I mean [the way costs, it's crazy.] 986.5528 828 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 985.3385 [It's ridiculous.] 986.2660 829 LES_int_01 988.3038 That's so funny. 989.2313 830 LES_int_01 989.2313 (pause 2.53) 991.7576 831 LES_int_01 991.7576 What other differences 992.8795 832 LES_int_01 992.8795 (pause 0.36) 993.2395 833 LES_int_01 993.2395 from [today-] no, from 994.6884 834 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 993.5690 [Oh.] 993.9684 835 LES_int_01 995.3292 back then? 995.8722 836 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 996.3116 Um. Back then. 997.1537 837 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 997.1537 (pause 0.18) 997.3307 838 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 997.3307 998.3253 839 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 998.3253 (pause 1.14) 999.4641 840 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 999.4641 Mm. 999.8058 841 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 999.8058 (pause 1.38) 1001.1849 842 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1001.1849 There a lot of differences in language. 1003.0522 843 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1003.0522 (pause 3.29) 1006.3396 844 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1006.3396 I rm- I remember when uh, 1008.0909 845 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1008.0909 (pause 2.28) 1010.3731 846 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1010.3731 what's his name? 1011.0688 847 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1011.0688 (pause 3.25) 1014.3149 848 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1014.3149 The pre- 1014.8369 849 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1014.8369 (pause 0.15) 1014.9833 850 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1014.9833 The president's father. 1016.1793 851 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1016.1793 (pause 0.52) 1016.7041 852 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1016.7041 When uh, 1017.2836 853 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1017.2836 (pause 0.76) 1018.0463 854 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1018.0463 George Bush Senior was running for office, 1020.1394 855 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1020.1394 (pause 0.37) 1020.5084 856 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1020.5084 he- he had this guy 1021.9851 857 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1021.9851 (pause 0.41) 1022.3939 858 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1022.3939 who was running with him. What was his name? 1024.1316 859 LES_int_01 1024.7048 Oh, um. 1026.2437 860 LES_int_01 1026.2437 (pause 1.03) 1027.2742 861 LES_int_01 1027.2742 Dan Quayle. 1027.9393 862 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1028.3290 Dan Quayle. 1029.0247 863 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1029.0247 (pause 0.94) 1029.9644 864 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1029.9644 I remember making such a- a- a 1031.8927 865 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1031.8927 (pause 0.41) 1032.3076 866 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1032.3076 a big joke. All the comedians were laughing because 1035.1627 867 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1035.1627 (pause 0.46) 1035.6204 868 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1035.6204 he was went to some school and the kid 1037.5914 869 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1037.5914 (pause 0.25) 1037.8415 870 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1037.8415 spelled the 1038.4884 871 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1038.4884 (pause 0.28) 1038.7691 872 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1038.7691 potato and he 1039.6345 873 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1039.6345 (pause 0.23) 1039.8664 874 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1039.8664 s- 1040.0373 875 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1040.0373 (pause 0.20) 1040.2326 876 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1040.2326 told the kid i- i- i- 1041.3370 877 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1041.3370 (pause 0.29) 1041.6238 878 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1041.6238 it was wrong it was sposta 1042.7222 879 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1042.7222 (pause 0.29) 1043.0090 880 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1043.0090 be a E on the end. 1044.1399 881 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1044.1399 (pause 0.37) 1044.5121 882 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1044.5121 And they just thought this was so funny 1046.3245 883 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1046.3245 (pause 0.84) 1047.1605 884 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1047.1605 And I said to myself, you know, I don't know what has happened 1050.0946 885 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1050.0946 (pause 0.21) 1050.3081 886 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1050.3081 in the last ha- half a century. 1052.2972 887 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1052.2972 (pause 0.95) 1053.2430 888 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1053.2430 but, when I went to school back in- 1055.0431 889 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1055.0431 (pause 0.24) 1055.2811 890 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1055.2811 in Poughkeepsie, 1056.2686 891 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1056.2686 (pause 0.66) 1056.9277 892 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1056.9277 I spelled potato with a E. 1058.3739 893 LES_int_01 1058.6668 Mm. 1059.2648 894 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1059.4779 And I started looking in the dictionaries, I couldn't find it. 1061.7301 895 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1061.7301 (pause 0.25) 1061.9803 896 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1061.9803 And I was with /RD-NAME-2/, and we were cleaning out somebody's apartment. 1064.5784 897 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1064.5784 (pause 0.42) 1064.9994 898 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1064.9994 And the people that moved and they had all these old books in there. 1067.8186 899 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1067.8186 (pause 0.22) 1068.0383 900 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1068.0383 And I found a old dictionary. 1069.4651 901 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1069.4651 (pause 0.21) 1069.6787 902 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1069.6787 I think 1070.2950 903 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1070.2950 (pause 0.30) 1070.5940 904 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1070.5940 it was published 1072.1196 905 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1072.1196 (pause 0.76) 1072.8782 906 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1072.8782 back in the twenties. 1073.9766 907 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1073.9766 (pause 0.67) 1074.6417 908 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1074.6417 It was a big one. 1075.5998 909 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1075.5998 (pause 0.15) 1075.7523 910 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1075.7523 A- and I took it with me, I looked in there. 1077.6971 911 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1077.6971 (pause 0.37) 1078.0643 912 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1078.0643 potato was spelled with a E. 1079.3380 913 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1079.3380 (pause 0.16) 1079.5027 914 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1079.5027 I said I wasn't wrong and neither was Dan [Quayle, but nobody] 1082.9871 915 LES_int_01 1081.5409 [] 1082.6820 916 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1083.1213 would speak up and say you know, tha- maybe that's the way he learned how to spell. 1086.6877 917 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1086.6877 (pause 0.21) 1086.8952 918 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1086.8952 But it's 1087.2735 919 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1087.2735 (pause 0.29) 1087.5603 920 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1087.5603 language changes all the time. 1089.6297 921 LES_int_01 1089.6236 Yeah. 1089.9775 922 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1090.0934 All the time 1090.8928 923 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1090.8928 (pause 0.60) 1091.4908 924 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1091.4908 It's that's why they call it a living thing. 1093.1628 925 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1093.1628 (pause 0.32) 1093.4801 926 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1093.4801 That's why they use Latin as a dead language because it doesn't change. 1096.8379 927 LES_int_01 1097.0061 Mm-hm. 1097.4516 928 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1097.4516 Mm. 1097.8028 929 LES_int_01 1098.3884 Do you notice differences in 1100.0152 930 LES_int_01 1100.0152 (pause 0.21) 1100.2227 931 LES_int_01 1100.2227 your language and say your kids for instance? 1102.3523 932 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1102.9076 Yeah. Particularly w- 1104.2130 933 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1104.2130 (pause 0.12) 1104.3305 934 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1104.3305 i- i- i- since they got these computers, man that's a whole other language right [there.] 1108.3213 935 LES_int_01 1108.0345 [Yeah.] 1108.5715 936 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1108.9681 You know? 1109.2549 937 LES_int_01 1109.2549 It's true. 1109.9261 938 LES_int_01 1109.9261 (pause 0.51) 1110.4326 939 LES_int_01 1110.4326 It's really true. 1111.1958 940 LES_int_01 1111.1958 (pause 0.41) 1111.6046 941 LES_int_01 1111.6046 So, how many kids do you have? 1112.6630 942 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1113.3342 Uh, I've got two girls and two boys and one foster son. 1116.2327 943 LES_int_01 1116.6325 Wow. 1117.3770 944 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1117.3770 [Mm-hm.] 1117.8469 945 LES_int_01 1117.5937 [That's] a big family. 1118.3656 946 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1119.0368 1119.2199 947 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1119.2199 (pause 0.37) 1119.5860 948 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1119.5860 Yeah. 1119.9685 949 LES_int_01 1121.0791 Do they uh, do they all live in New York? Or are they uh, 1123.6115 950 LES_int_01 1123.6115 (pause 0.51) 1124.1179 951 LES_int_01 1124.1179 around? 1124.5790 952 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1125.2442 No. 1125.9572 953 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1125.9572 (pause 0.86) 1126.8176 954 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1126.8176 Um. 1127.4400 955 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1127.4400 (pause 0.84) 1128.2807 956 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1128.2807 One son, my oldest son, he just moved to Oklahoma, 1131.1914 957 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1131.1914 (pause 0.38) 1131.5758 958 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1131.5758 a few months ago. 1132.5061 959 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1132.5061 (pause 0.94) 1133.4488 960 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1133.4488 1133.5830 961 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1133.5830 (pause 0.31) 1133.8943 962 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1133.8943 Met some girl on the internet. 1135.5052 963 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1135.5052 (pause 0.88) 1136.3839 964 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1136.3839 She came here, 1137.4030 965 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1137.4030 (pause 0.58) 1137.9842 966 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1137.9842 and said, no, I don't wanna stay in New York. 1140.0833 967 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1140.0833 (pause 0.99) 1141.0719 968 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1141.0719 So, uh, they got married, she- they went back to Oklahoma. 1144.2255 969 LES_int_01 1144.3842 Wow. 1144.8235 970 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1145.3544 My oldest daughter, she lives in Seattle, I just spoke to her last night. 1148.6923 971 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1148.6923 (pause 1.31) 1149.9997 972 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1149.9997 My youngest daughter lives out in Queens. 1152.2819 973 LES_int_01 1152.5992 Mm. 1153.0080 974 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1153.4962 And uh, 1154.1796 975 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1154.1796 (pause 0.89) 1155.0664 976 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1155.0664 with her- she's married and got two boys. 1157.5134 977 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1157.5134 (pause 0.34) 1157.8551 978 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1157.8551 My oldest daughter w- 1158.8131 979 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1158.8131 (pause 0.34) 1159.1548 980 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1159.1548 was married, she's divorced, but she's got three boys. 1161.5577 981 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1161.5577 (pause 0.75) 1162.3038 982 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1162.3038 Uh. 1162.5967 983 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1162.5967 (pause 0.15) 1162.7493 984 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1162.7493 Eighteen 1163.7561 985 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1163.7561 (pause 1.22) 1164.9766 986 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1164.9766 I think, thirteen, 1166.4041 987 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1166.4041 (pause 0.90) 1167.3072 988 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1167.3072 and thirty-one. 1168.3629 989 LES_int_01 1170.3827 Grandkids. 1171.0266 990 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1171.0295 Yeah. 1171.5543 991 LES_int_01 1173.2639 That's cool. 1173.9108 992 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1174.7651 1174.9359 993 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1174.9359 (pause 0.18) 1175.1129 994 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1175.1129 Then I got, uh, 1176.0770 995 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1176.0770 (pause 0.53) 1176.6079 996 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1176.6079 I got step-kids 1177.7429 997 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1177.7429 (pause 0.22) 1177.9626 998 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1177.9626 in Poland. My wife, my 1179.3584 999 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1179.3584 (pause 0.58) 1179.9381 1000 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1179.9381 last wife she was Polish. 1181.2989 1001 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1181.2989 (pause 0.65) 1181.9518 1002 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1181.9518 And uh, 1182.6474 1003 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1182.6474 (pause 1.32) 1183.9716 1004 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1183.9716 She's got uh 1184.8686 1005 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1184.8686 (pause 0.24) 1185.1127 1006 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1185.1127 she had da- she's got a daughter. 1186.9982 1007 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1186.9982 (pause 0.68) 1187.6817 1008 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1187.6817 And her daughter has uh, 1189.3170 1009 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1189.3170 (pause 1.76) 1191.0744 1010 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1191.0744 two daughters and a son. 1192.4240 1011 LES_int_01 1192.9976 Mm. 1193.3393 1012 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1193.5285 And one of the th- 1194.5352 1013 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1194.5352 (pause 0.31) 1194.8464 1014 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1194.8464 her son, 1195.4561 1015 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1195.4561 (pause 0.33) 1195.7856 1016 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1195.7856 and one of the daughters are married and they got kids, so I guess I got 1199.2706 1017 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1199.2706 (pause 0.34) 1199.6062 1018 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1199.6062 I got three (laughing) 1200.4061 1019 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1200.4061 (pause 0.67) 1201.0712 1020 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1201.0712 three [step-grandkid.] 1203.0605 1021 LES_int_01 1202.6944 [That's a] lot. 1203.3863 1022 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1203.3863 Yeah. 1203.9233 1023 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1205.4306 Great grands. 1206.2910 1024 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1206.2910 (pause 0.24) 1206.5289 1025 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1206.5289 Great grands. That's what they are. 1207.7922 1026 LES_int_01 1207.8776 Oh, wow. Right. 1209.1346 1027 LES_int_01 1209.1346 (pause 2.34) 1211.4765 1028 LES_int_01 1211.4765 Wow. 1212.0745 1029 LES_int_01 1212.0745 (pause 0.53) 1212.6054 1030 LES_int_01 1212.6054 So, how many times were you married? 1214.0272 1031 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1214.7700 Three. 1215.2398 1032 LES_int_01 1215.4229 Three times? 1216.0697 1033 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1216.0697 Yeah. 1216.4053 1034 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1218.7211 Buried two wives. 1219.8195 1035 LES_int_01 1220.2474 Oh. 1220.6394 1036 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1221.0170 From [cancer, they had cancer.] 1222.6187 1037 LES_int_01 1221.2945 [I'm sorry to hear that.] 1222.2990 1038 LES_int_01 1222.7591 Both? 1223.2289 1039 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1223.6073 Yeah. 1224.1015 1040 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1224.1015 (pause 1.90) 1225.9970 1041 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1225.9970 My first wife /was/ still alive. She just got 1228.2243 1042 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1228.2243 (pause 0.34) 1228.5599 1043 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1228.5599 remarried about 1229.5118 1044 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1229.5118 (pause 0.20) 1229.7071 1045 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1229.7071 a few weeks ago. 1230.5736 1046 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1230.5736 (pause 1.13) 1231.7004 1047 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1231.7004 She's getting ready to sell her house and move down south somewhere. 1234.3469 1048 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1234.3469 (pause 0.11) 1234.4567 1049 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1234.4567 [] 1234.9998 1050 LES_int_01 1234.5788 [Mm.] 1234.9998 1051 LES_int_01 1236.0433 When did you 1236.7694 1052 LES_int_01 1236.7694 (pause 0.20) 1236.9708 1053 LES_int_01 1236.9708 two get married? Was that 1238.1737 1054 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1239.3270 [in Fifty-two.] 1240.2850 1055 LES_int_01 1239.3270 [you mentioned your first kid. Yeah.] 1241.0173 1056 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1240.5352 [Yeah.] 1241.0173 1057 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1241.2858 Yeah. Fifty-two. 1242.1645 1058 LES_int_01 1242.6771 That's a while back. 1243.5863 1059 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1243.9302 Yeah. 1244.4157 1060 LES_int_01 1248.0511 Um, and so then, you moved from Brooklyn here. 1250.4780 1061 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1252.2781 [Uh. No. I moved] up to the Bronx first. I had a [business] up there, I had a used car business up there. 1257.6133 1062 LES_int_01 1252.2781 [/inaudible/] 1253.5840 1063 LES_int_01 1253.5840 (pause 1.63) 1255.2091 1064 LES_int_01 1255.2091 [Oh.] 1255.4593 1065 LES_int_01 1257.6683 Hm. 1257.9917 1066 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1258.0283 For 1258.2480 1067 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1258.2480 (pause 0.20) 1258.4493 1068 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1258.4493 few years, I had a apartment up there. 1260.2016 1069 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1260.2016 (pause 1.04) 1261.2430 1070 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1261.2430 And uh, 1262.0668 1071 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1262.0668 (pause 0.73) 1262.7929 1072 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1262.7929 and then from the Bronx, 1264.1248 1073 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1264.1248 (pause 2.45) 1266.5779 1074 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1266.5779 I got an apartment in the City, but then I started working in Brooklyn. 1269.6223 1075 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1269.6223 (pause 0.67) 1270.2945 1076 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1270.2945 In a trucking company. 1271.3822 1077 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1271.3822 (pause 0.29) 1271.6690 1078 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1271.6690 Cause tha- actually, I've been self employed all that time. 1274.0666 1079 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1274.0666 (pause 0.77) 1274.8354 1080 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1274.8354 And uh, 1275.5311 1081 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1275.5311 (pause 0.72) 1276.2467 1082 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1276.2467 only 1276.6921 1083 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1276.6921 (pause 0.29) 1276.9850 1084 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1276.9850 time I wasn't self employed, was when I started working for this trucking company. 1280.4796 1085 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1280.4796 (pause 0.21) 1280.6931 1086 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1280.6931 I knew the guy. He was a friend of mine, know him for many years, 1283.6333 1087 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1283.6333 (pause 0.32) 1283.9506 1088 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1283.9506 when I was in the car business. 1285.3749 1089 LES_int_01 1285.6922 Mm-hm. 1286.0522 1090 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1286.0888 So, um, 1286.7417 1091 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1286.7417 (pause 0.98) 1287.7242 1092 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1287.7242 I went to work for him. I wasn't there for long. About three and a half years. 1291.2554 1093 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1291.2554 (pause 0.78) 1292.0365 1094 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1292.0365 And then, when I left him, 1293.4827 1095 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1293.4827 (pause 0.18) 1293.6596 1096 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1293.6596 I bought myself a van and 1295.3049 1097 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1295.3049 (pause 0.37) 1295.6772 1098 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1295.6772 I started making deliveries here in the City. 1297.8556 1099 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1297.8556 (pause 0.41) 1298.2706 1100 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1298.2706 And that's when I started looking for an apartment here inn the city, so I had an apartment in- in the City. 1302.1918 1101 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1302.1918 (pause 1.87) 1304.0629 1102 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1304.0629 Wound up with two apartments in the City. 1305.8264 1103 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1305.8264 (pause 0.60) 1306.4305 1104 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1306.4305 One ap- 1306.9004 1105 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1306.9004 (pause 0.15) 1307.0469 1106 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1307.0469 On a Hundred and s- 1308.0835 1107 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1308.0835 (pause 0.30) 1308.3825 1108 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1308.3825 Seventy-eighth Street 1309.4878 1109 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1309.4878 (pause 0.44) 1309.9325 1110 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1309.9325 right off Riverside Drive, 1311.3848 1111 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1311.3848 (pause 0.27) 1311.6505 1112 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1311.6505 a little street called Pinehurst 1313.2724 1113 LES_int_01 1313.2724 Mm. 1313.7789 1114 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1314.0840 Avenue. 1314.7430 1115 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1314.7430 (pause 0.77) 1315.5130 1116 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1315.5130 My nephew's staying up there now. It's a huge apartment. 1318.1857 1117 LES_int_01 1318.1857 Hm. 1318.6556 1118 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1320.8096 You know, four bedrooms 1322.1888 1119 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1322.1888 (pause 0.13) 1322.3188 1120 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1322.3188 two baths, 1323.1424 1121 LES_int_01 1323.0999 Woah. 1323.6491 1122 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1324.0030 big living room. 1325.0465 1123 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1325.0465 (pause 1.28) 1326.3218 1124 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1326.3218 Big dining room. 1327.3701 1125 LES_int_01 1327.7281 Wow- a dining room? [Wow.] 1329.6521 1126 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1329.0384 [Yeah.] 1329.5731 1127 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1330.6378 It's a big [place.] 1331.7372 1128 LES_int_01 1331.6070 [Yeah.] I haven't seen that down here. 1333.2854 1129 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1333.3877 No. No. 1334.4245 1130 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1334.4245 (pause 3.29) 1337.7148 1131 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1337.7148 It originally belonged to some college professor. 1340.2487 1132 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1340.2487 (pause 1.28) 1341.5276 1133 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1341.5276 And 1341.9321 1134 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1341.9321 (pause 0.33) 1342.2669 1135 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1342.2669 he broke up with his wife, so he- 1343.8105 1136 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1343.8105 (pause 0.69) 1344.4986 1137 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1344.4986 he got another apartment right up the street from it, 1346.9524 1138 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1346.9524 (pause 0.36) 1347.3150 1139 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1347.3150 about three or four blocks up, 1348.6880 1140 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1348.6880 (pause 2.08) 1350.7699 1141 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1350.7699 on the other side of the George Washington Bridge, but on the same street. 1353.9182 1142 LES_int_01 1355.6152 Mm. 1355.9483 1143 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1355.9483 And he l- 1356.7480 1144 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1357.1944 leased 1357.7337 1145 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1357.7337 (pause 0.10) 1357.8314 1146 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1357.8314 out rooms in that apartment 1359.9666 1147 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1359.9666 (pause 1.17) 1361.1336 1148 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1361.1336 to uh, some of his students 1363.1526 1149 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1363.1526 (pause 0.25) 1363.3990 1150 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1363.3990 that went to school there. 1364.5846 1151 LES_int_01 1364.7474 Mm-hm. 1365.1436 1152 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1365.6215 So, when I got it, 1366.6955 1153 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1366.6955 (pause 0.15) 1366.8406 1154 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1366.8406 I ha- it was a ad in the paper, one of the students was moving out, she wanted to rent the room out. 1370.9586 1155 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1370.9586 (pause 0.44) 1371.4003 1156 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1371.4003 So, I went up there, and I checked it out and I said, alright. 1373.6568 1157 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1373.6568 (pause 0.42) 1374.0799 1158 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1374.0799 The guy was paying 1375.0284 1159 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1375.0284 (pause 0.94) 1375.9708 1160 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1375.9708 paying two hundred sixty-five dollars 1377.7190 1161 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1377.7190 (pause 0.31) 1378.0305 1162 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1378.0305 a month for that apartment. 1379.4289 1163 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1379.4289 (pause 0.16) 1379.5916 1164 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1379.5916 And [rent was] 1380.3774 1165 LES_int_01 1380.1774 [For] the whole [apartment?] 1381.2891 1166 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1381.1120 [The] whole apartment. 1382.0697 1167 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1382.3441 And the students, they were paying like 1383.9077 1168 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1383.9077 (pause 0.10) 1384.0053 1169 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1384.0053 uh, fifty dollars a month. 1385.8093 1170 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1385.8093 (pause 1.22) 1387.0274 1171 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1387.0274 And u- this was 1387.9141 1172 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1387.9141 (pause 0.08) 1387.9978 1173 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1387.9978 this was in the seveties. 1389.7645 1174 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1389.7645 (pause 0.90) 1390.6615 1175 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1390.6615 And I said, okay I'll take it, and this 1392.7362 1176 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1392.7362 (pause 0.70) 1393.4319 1177 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1393.4319 the student, the girl that moved out was okay. 1395.7512 1178 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1395.7512 (pause 0.54) 1396.2882 1179 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1396.2882 Put he le- he left two other kids in there. 1398.9549 1180 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1398.9549 (pause 0.28) 1399.2356 1181 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1399.2356 One was a girl, one was a guy, and they were such slobs. 1402.1991 1182 LES_int_01 1402.4188 [Oh.] 1403.2103 1183 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1403.0473 [And] I said to that man, they- they gotta go. 1405.3775 1184 LES_int_01 1405.8900 [] 1406.2745 1185 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1405.9511 [When] I finally got rid of them, cause I s- I 1408.3239 1186 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1408.4459 two sixty-five, I could handle that by myself. 1410.4661 1187 LES_int_01 1410.6370 Yeah. 1411.0153 1188 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1411.4608 Which I did do. 1412.4249 1189 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1412.4249 (pause 0.34) 1412.7605 1190 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1412.7605 So, when I got them out. 1413.9651 1191 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1413.9651 (pause 0.21) 1414.1725 1192 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1414.1725 But I mean, this one girl man, she had cats, 1416.3998 1193 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1416.3998 (pause 0.59) 1416.9917 1194 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1416.9917 and h- and she used to uh walk 1419.5372 1195 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1419.5372 (pause 0.16) 1419.7019 1196 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1419.7019 no, she used to empty the cat l- the cat litter into the toilet. 1423.2907 1197 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1423.2907 (pause 0.50) 1423.7910 1198 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1423.7910 And she had a little dog, and she used to walk the dog in the hallway. 1426.6626 1199 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1426.6626 (pause 0.16) 1426.8273 1200 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1426.8273 There was a rug in there. 1427.9135 1201 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1427.9135 (pause 0.40) 1428.3182 1202 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1428.3182 A- And the place stunk like hell. 1430.0939 1203 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1430.0939 (pause 0.28) 1430.3746 1204 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1430.3746 It was a beautiful place. 1431.5645 1205 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1431.5645 (pause 0.20) 1431.7598 1206 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1431.7598 I said, you know what? Y- Y'all gotta go. 1433.6877 1207 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1433.6877 (pause 0.39) 1434.0782 1208 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1434.0782 And the guy, he wa- oh, he was just as bad. 1436.5374 1209 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1436.5374 (pause 1.61) 1438.1469 1210 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1438.1469 But he was 1438.7815 1211 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1438.7815 (pause 0.21) 1438.9951 1212 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1438.9951 he kept all his nastiness to himself in his little 1441.6739 1213 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1441.6739 (pause 0.71) 1442.3879 1214 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1442.3879 his little [bedroom.] 1443.7561 1215 LES_int_01 1443.5425 [At] least. 1444.6958 1216 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1444.6958 I got him out of there 1446.0627 1217 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1446.4799 and uh, 1447.2061 1218 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1447.2061 (pause 1.81) 1449.0123 1219 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1449.0123 I cleaned it up t- to some degree. 1450.6166 1220 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1450.6166 (pause 0.32) 1450.9339 1221 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1450.9339 I did rent out one place, then my nephew wanted to 1453.0635 1222 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1453.0635 (pause 0.56) 1453.6249 1223 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1453.6249 who- who uh 1455.0358 1224 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1455.0358 (pause 0.21) 1455.2433 1225 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1455.2433 who was living in Springfield Mass at the time, he wanted 1457.5732 1226 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1457.5732 (pause 0.27) 1457.8417 1227 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1457.8417 a place in the city. He loved the city. 1459.6784 1228 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1459.6784 (pause 0.48) 1460.1544 1229 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1460.1544 So, I let him ha- 1461.1612 1230 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1461.1612 (pause 0.30) 1461.4602 1231 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1461.4602 let him come down, he moved in. 1463.0163 1232 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1463.0163 (pause 0.88) 1463.8922 1233 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1463.8922 And that's when I met my wife. And I started hanging out 1466.4092 1234 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1466.4092 (pause 0.40) 1466.8058 1235 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1466.8058 with her and we got married. 1468.4695 1236 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1468.4695 (pause 0.69) 1469.1591 1237 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1469.1591 And even though, you know, 1470.2858 1238 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1470.2858 (pause 0.16) 1470.4445 1239 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1470.4445 I still had the place up there, I said 1472.1958 1240 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1472.1958 (pause 0.74) 1472.9342 1241 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1472.9342 I d- I wanted to get rid of it. 1474.2095 1242 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1474.2095 (pause 0.86) 1475.0716 1243 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1475.0716 I said, okay. 1476.0967 1244 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1476.0967 (pause 2.42) 1478.5164 1245 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1478.5164 So, my nephew still got it. He's doing okay up there. 1481.0121 1246 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1481.0121 (pause 0.13) 1481.1464 1247 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1481.1464 Mm. 1481.2745 1248 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1481.2745 (pause 0.20) 1481.4698 1249 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1481.4698 And rent has changed a lot, he pays over a G note now. 1484.4873 1250 LES_int_01 1485.5308 That's still a pretty [good deal] though, for four [bedrooms.] 1488.4093 1251 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1486.3285 [Yeah.] 1486.8106 1252 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1486.8106 (pause 0.88) 1487.6954 1253 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1487.6954 [I know,] it is. 1488.9036 1254 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1489.8268 It is. 1490.3394 1255 LES_int_01 1490.6628 Wow. 1491.0778 1256 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1491.3829 And they ain't little bedrooms either. They're big. 1493.2318 1257 LES_int_01 1493.3234 Oh, I mean, 1494.3912 1258 LES_int_01 1494.3912 (pause 0.70) 1495.0869 1259 LES_int_01 1495.0869 that sounds pretty /nice/. 1496.2341 1260 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1495.8680 [It had-] 1496.3101 1261 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1496.4382 see, there's one bedroom right off the kitchen, it's a little small bedroom with this a- 1500.1058 1262 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1500.1058 (pause 0.10) 1500.2093 1263 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1500.2093 it has its own bath. 1501.3233 1264 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1501.3233 (pause 0.25) 1501.5735 1265 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1501.5735 Which was the maid's room, so you know how big this place was. 1503.9777 1266 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1503.9777 (pause 1.12) 1505.0944 1267 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1505.0944 1505.7779 1268 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1505.7779 (pause 0.80) 1506.5815 1269 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1506.5815 Yeah. 1506.8989 1270 LES_int_01 1507.2345 Yeah, I got it. 1508.5586 1271 LES_int_01 1508.5586 (pause 1.01) 1509.5655 1272 LES_int_01 1509.5655 That's pretty cool. 1510.3659 1273 LES_int_01 1510.3659 (pause 0.43) 1510.7991 1274 LES_int_01 1510.7991 But you wanted to stay down here? 1511.9786 1275 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1513.1197 Huh? 1513.4492 1276 LES_int_01 1513.4492 You wanted to stay down here? 1514.3464 1277 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1514.3464 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 1515.3228 1278 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1518.0591 I wa- 1518.4496 1279 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1518.4496 (pause 0.35) 1518.7974 1280 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1518.7974 fact, it was Eighty-one when I come down here. 1521.0301 1281 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1521.0301 (pause 1.51) 1522.5434 1282 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1522.5434 Uh 1522.9157 1283 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1522.9157 (pause 0.13) 1523.0438 1284 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1523.0438 Avenue 1523.7394 1285 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1523.7394 (pause 0.24) 1523.9774 1286 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1523.9774 B was the borderline 1525.6094 1287 LES_int_01 1526.4454 [I heard that.] 1527.1961 1288 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1526.5431 [Mm.] 1527.0434 1289 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1527.3669 Nobody went past Avenue B. 1529.1107 1290 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1529.1107 (pause 0.25) 1529.3609 1291 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1529.3609 In fact, 1529.9406 1292 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1529.9406 (pause 0.37) 1530.3128 1293 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1530.3128 I'd never even park my vehicle down there, cause every time I did, somebody would break into it. 1534.4054 1294 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1534.4054 (pause 0.84) 1535.2475 1295 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1535.2475 Uh, ha- halfway down the block, which was right where- 1538.1124 1296 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1538.1124 (pause 0.75) 1538.8620 1297 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1538.8620 where uh, s- 1539.6954 1298 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1539.6954 (pause 0.28) 1539.9725 1299 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1539.9725 I lived. 1540.4363 1300 LES_int_01 1540.8635 Mm-hm. 1541.2540 1301 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1541.2540 You know, that was it. 1542.1205 1302 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1543.4688 But now, Avenue B, 1544.9455 1303 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1544.9455 (pause 0.37) 1545.3178 1304 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1545.3178 and Avenue A ain't that much difference you know /on the/ Avenue 1548.3537 1305 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1548.3537 (pause 0.29) 1548.6405 1306 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1548.6405 C 1549.2630 1307 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1549.2630 (pause 0.24) 1549.5073 1308 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1549.5073 I mean, this 1550.3250 1309 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1550.3250 (pause 0.32) 1550.6423 1310 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1550.6423 the East Village is 1551.6675 1311 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1551.6675 (pause 0.13) 1551.8017 1312 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1551.8017 not only spread all the way down, it's spread 1554.1510 1313 LES_int_01 1554.5469 [Towards the /??/.] 1555.4464 1314 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1555.1335 [south] too. 1556.2495 1315 LES_int_01 1556.4692 [yeah.] 1557.0122 1316 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1556.8819 [Spread south all the way down to Delancey Street 1559.2212 1317 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1559.3738 and past Delancey 1560.5515 1318 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1560.5515 (pause 0.55) 1561.0993 1319 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1561.0993 and still going. 1562.0269 1320 LES_int_01 1562.4296 Yeah, it's true. 1563.2595 1321 LES_int_01 1563.2595 (pause 1.08) 1564.3374 1322 LES_int_01 1564.3374 Um, so in the eighties, what was the neighborhood like? I mean you said Avenue B at fourth. 1569.4259 1323 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1570.1277 [Um.] 1570.7806 1324 LES_int_01 1570.3534 [Was it ] just crime? 1571.4884 1325 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1572.2283 Yeah. 1573.0216 1326 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1573.0216 (pause 0.36) 1573.3816 1327 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1573.3816 And uh, I mean they 1574.7851 1328 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1574.7851 (pause 0.24) 1575.0292 1329 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1575.0292 Tompkins Square Park, they didn't call it a needle park for nothing. I mean, you just walked through the park you see 1579.2479 1330 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1579.2479 (pause 0.38) 1579.6323 1331 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1579.6323 people in there shooting up in the middle of the day. 1581.7895 1332 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1581.7895 (pause 0.27) 1582.0641 1333 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1582.0641 It was, it was kind of outrageous, you know. 1584.1574 1334 LES_int_01 1584.1574 Mm. 1584.5113 1335 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1584.8164 And uh. 1585.5853 1336 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1585.5853 (pause 1.87) 1587.4576 1337 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1587.4576 A lot of changes came place- 1589.0625 1338 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1589.0625 (pause 0.32) 1589.3798 1339 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1589.3798 took place when Giuliani came into office. 1591.5636 1340 LES_int_01 1591.7711 Yeah. Right. 1592.5766 1341 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1593.0225 Cause he cracked down of a lot of stuff, cause people used to do things, 1596.1286 1342 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1596.1286 (pause 0.45) 1596.5801 1343 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1596.5801 things used to happen. 1597.6175 1344 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1597.6175 (pause 1.02) 1598.6401 1345 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1598.6401 Uh, I had a- I had a bar. 1600.0436 1346 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1600.0436 (pause 0.38) 1600.4219 1347 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1600.4219 After I uh- I had the delivery business. 1602.7253 1348 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1602.7253 (pause 0.59) 1603.3111 1349 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1603.3111 Um, after my wife passed away, she passed away in Eighty-seven, so. 1606.3817 1350 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1606.3817 (pause 0.31) 1606.6930 1351 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1606.6930 I went into the 1607.6510 1352 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1607.6510 (pause 0.29) 1607.9439 1353 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1607.9439 some guy, h- he'd been asking me to come 1609.8917 1354 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1609.8917 (pause 0.31) 1610.2029 1355 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1610.2029 he wanted a partner in the bar, so I said okay. 1612.7170 1356 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1612.7170 (pause 1.00) 1613.7137 1357 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1613.7137 So, I had to work there for about a year or two. 1616.0325 1358 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1616.0325 (pause 0.14) 1616.1728 1359 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1616.1728 And um, you know. 1617.1100 1360 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1617.1100 (pause 0.69) 1617.8050 1361 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1617.8050 Like bought into it. 1618.8369 1362 LES_int_01 1619.2763 Hm. 1619.6546 1363 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1619.7827 And the bar uh, over in Long Island City. 1622.0746 1364 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1622.0746 (pause 1.87) 1623.9418 1365 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1623.9418 That was cool. 1624.8143 1366 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1624.8143 (pause 1.59) 1626.4069 1367 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1626.4069 But, uh, after Giuliani came into office, 1628.6565 1368 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1628.6565 (pause 0.26) 1628.9128 1369 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1628.9128 was a totally different ball game. 1630.3007 1370 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1630.3007 (pause 0.25) 1630.5509 1371 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1630.5509 Used to see things happen all the time. P- P- people used [to see pe-] 1633.8406 1372 LES_int_01 1633.0638 [Like what?] 1633.6435 1373 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1634.6954 Uh, excu- 1635.2441 1374 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1635.2441 (pause 0.22) 1635.4611 1375 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1635.4611 Used to see people get killed. 1636.7608 1376 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1636.7608 (pause 0.38) 1637.1391 1377 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1637.1391 [These guys standing-] 1638.0279 1378 LES_int_01 1637.3688 [You saw someone] get killed? 1638.5282 1379 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1638.7296 Oh yeah! 1639.6327 1380 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1639.6327 (pause 0.84) 1640.4681 1381 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1640.4681 I'd been sit- be behind the bar, see a guy cross the street, /??/. Bam! Bam! Bam! He shot the guy, walked away. 1646.1505 1382 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1646.1505 (pause 0.41) 1646.5655 1383 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1646.5655 The guy died. 1647.5342 1384 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1647.5342 (pause 0.12) 1647.6502 1385 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1647.6502 He /wasn't-/ everybody knew who it was, he wound up going to jail for it, I don't know, maybe he's out now. 1651.9374 1386 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1651.9374 (pause 0.22) 1652.1571 1387 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1652.1571 But they just killed each other all the time, and it never hit the papers. 1655.5682 1388 LES_int_01 1656.4888 Wow. 1657.1601 1389 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1657.3298 The cops picked up 1658.1597 1390 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1658.1597 (pause 0.18) 1658.3366 1391 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1658.3366 there was a guy used to clean the bar 1659.9049 1392 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1659.9049 (pause 0.24) 1660.1440 1393 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1660.1440 when we used to close up. 1661.2869 1394 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1661.2869 (pause 0.48) 1661.7660 1395 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1661.7660 Used to call him Froggy. 1663.1323 1396 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1663.1323 (pause 0.20) 1663.3337 1397 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1663.3337 Really nice guy. 1664.5130 1398 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1664.5130 (pause 0.63) 1665.1477 1399 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1665.1477 But, he had a habit, you know, he was smo- he smoked crack. 1667.7838 1400 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1667.7838 (pause 0.29) 1668.0767 1401 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1668.0767 But, he wasn't a thief. 1669.1653 1402 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1669.1653 (pause 0.43) 1669.5985 1403 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1669.5985 And he- he wanted to make a honest dollar and he would uh, 1672.5228 1404 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1672.5228 (pause 0.88) 1673.4015 1405 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1673.4015 you know, he'd do odd jobs for you. 1675.0857 1406 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1675.0857 (pause 0.89) 1675.9759 1407 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1675.9759 But, they called him Froggy cause he had these great big eyes, you know, y- bubbled out. 1680.2426 1408 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1680.2426 (pause 0.34) 1680.5782 1409 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1680.5782 And you know, he's kind of a homely looking dude. 1682.4124 1410 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1682.4124 (pause 0.23) 1682.6381 1411 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1682.6381 And people used to make fun of him all the time, you know. 1684.9326 1412 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1684.9326 (pause 0.71) 1685.6465 1413 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1685.6465 And, in fact, one guy 1686.7693 1414 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1686.7693 (pause 0.38) 1687.1476 1415 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1687.1476 uh, 1687.5636 1416 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1687.5636 (pause 0.85) 1688.4179 1417 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1688.4179 one of the numbers guys 1689.7848 1418 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1689.7848 (pause 0.43) 1690.2120 1419 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1690.2120 used to make fun of him all the time. 1691.6338 1420 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1691.6338 (pause 0.20) 1691.8290 1421 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1691.8290 and Froggy told me say, you keep making fun of me, 1694.2326 1422 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1694.2326 (pause 0.31) 1694.5438 1423 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1694.5438 he says one morning, you gonna wake up one morning and look just like me. 1697.1982 1424 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1697.1982 (pause 0.41) 1697.6132 1425 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1697.6132 And the guy said he never made fun of him [again. (laughing) ] Said scared the fool out of him. 1702.5305 1426 LES_int_01 1700.0469 [] 1701.2429 1427 LES_int_01 1703.0131 1703.5139 1428 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1703.7228 Well, anyway, the cops w- you know, they 1705.6328 1429 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1705.6328 (pause 0.41) 1706.0477 1430 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1706.0477 the cops picked- 1706.7131 1431 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1706.7131 (pause 0.53) 1707.2440 1432 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1707.2440 picked Froggy up one day. 1708.4583 1433 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1708.4583 (pause 0.17) 1708.6292 1434 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1708.6292 In front of everybody, picked him up 1710.2157 1435 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1710.2157 (pause 0.50) 1710.7161 1436 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1710.7161 they s- told him, they sm- suspect of him something searched him, everything. 1714.1919 1437 LES_int_01 1714.1919 Mm. 1714.8753 1438 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1714.6984 They suspected him of having dope, or something. 1717.4982 1439 LES_int_01 1717.7728 Mm-hm. 1718.1389 1440 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1718.1389 And then 1718.5600 1441 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1720.2142 they thought they wo- took him and arrested him. 1722.3988 1442 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1722.3988 (pause 0.63) 1723.0321 1443 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1723.0321 But, they would i- they send these people down there to get him 1725.8503 1444 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1725.8503 (pause 0.67) 1726.5154 1445 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1726.5154 They said no, he was never arrested. 1728.2421 1446 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1728.2421 (pause 0.77) 1729.0110 1447 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1729.0110 Couple days later, his body start floating in the East River. 1731.7996 1448 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1731.7996 (pause 0.81) 1732.6063 1449 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1732.6063 Now, stuff like this used to go on all the time, but was never 1735.5109 1450 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1735.5109 (pause 0.21) 1735.7245 1451 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1735.7245 i- anything investigated about it. 1737.5032 1452 LES_int_01 1737.7297 What- 1738.0592 1453 LES_int_01 1738.0592 (pause 0.21) 1738.2667 1454 LES_int_01 1738.2667 What do you think happened? 1739.7276 1455 LES_int_01 1739.7276 (pause 0.55) 1740.2743 1456 LES_int_01 1740.2743 Was it really the police? You think the police [did it?] 1742.0928 1457 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1741.9158 [Who] knows. It's 1742.9240 1458 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1743.1924 I mean, the k 1743.6745 1459 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1743.6745 (pause 0.45) 1744.1200 1460 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1744.1200 m k- they the one that picked him up. 1745.8225 1461 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1745.8225 (pause 1.01) 1746.8289 1462 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1746.8289 It was a cop 1747.6577 1463 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1747.6577 (pause 1.42) 1749.0734 1464 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1749.0734 they used- they called him Ram- 1750.7715 1465 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1750.7715 (pause 0.25) 1751.0216 1466 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1751.0216 Uh, a robocop. 1752.3031 1467 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1752.3031 (pause 1.53) 1753.8347 1468 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1753.8347 And he- he- they had a- of course, they had a 1755.8547 1469 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1755.8547 (pause 0.24) 1756.0988 1470 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1756.0988 precinct right in the projects there. 1757.8196 1471 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1757.8196 (pause 0.84) 1758.6560 1472 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1758.6560 And [uh.] 1759.7178 1473 LES_int_01 1759.0222 [Mm.] 1759.7178 1474 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1760.1999 W- Of- one of my customers of- in fact, he was a friend of mine, he 1764.1165 1475 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1764.1165 (pause 0.64) 1764.7573 1476 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1764.7573 used to be in there all the time. 1766.3840 1477 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1766.3840 (pause 0.87) 1767.2505 1478 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1767.2505 And uh, one day, they said that 1769.1482 1479 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1769.1482 (pause 0.26) 1769.4045 1480 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1769.4045 he was coming out and Robocop called him over 1772.0159 1481 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1772.0159 (pause 0.88) 1772.9007 1482 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1772.9007 for something, they went over there, was talking to him, 1775.0049 1483 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1775.0049 (pause 0.41) 1775.4137 1484 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1775.4137 and 1775.9690 1485 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1775.9690 (pause 0.32) 1776.2924 1486 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1776.2924 pulled away from him, Robocop put a chokehold on him and killed him. 1779.4706 1487 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1779.4706 (pause 0.73) 1780.1968 1488 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1780.1968 And 1780.5751 1489 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1780.5751 (pause 0.21) 1780.7826 1490 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1780.7826 that upset a lot of people in the projects cause this guy didn't bother nobody. 1784.5579 1491 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1784.5579 (pause 0.29) 1784.8508 1492 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1784.8508 He was a good guy. 1785.8698 1493 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1785.8698 (pause 0.47) 1786.3397 1494 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1786.3397 Did he sell drugs and stuff? Yeah, he did. 1788.3656 1495 LES_int_01 1788.5048 [Yeah.] 1788.9197 1496 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1788.7550 [But,] you know, that's all he did. 1790.1768 1497 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1790.4697 Tha- That ain't no reason to kill nobody. 1792.1966 1498 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1792.1966 (pause 0.25) 1792.4468 1499 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1792.4468 And this just went on all the time. 1794.0935 1500 LES_int_01 1794.8379 Wow. 1795.4848 1501 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1795.5458 But, after Giuliani came in, man, a lot of stuff changed. 1798.6221 1502 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1798.6221 (pause 0.37) 1798.9882 1503 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1798.9882 Every precinct had to be accountable 1800.8033 1504 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1800.8033 (pause 0.45) 1801.2488 1505 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1801.2488 for what the heck they were doing. 1802.5668 1506 LES_int_01 1802.6889 Mm. 1803.2137 1507 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1804.0252 I mean, Giuliani, he's no angel, cause he did a lot of d- 1806.5577 1508 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1806.5577 (pause 0.37) 1806.9238 1509 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1806.9238 really weird dumb things. 1808.4250 1510 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1808.4250 (pause 1.27) 1809.6935 1511 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1809.6935 A lot of weird dumb [things.] 1811.3960 1512 LES_int_01 1811.1519 [Yeah.] 1811.6950 1513 LES_int_01 1812.4090 What um 1813.3853 1514 LES_int_01 1813.3853 (pause 1.94) 1815.3283 1515 LES_int_01 1815.3283 i- did anything ever happen to you? Like, were you [ever] 1817.8424 1516 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1817.5494 [No.] 1818.1414 1517 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1818.3061 [No.] 1818.6844 1518 LES_int_01 1818.3061 [mugged] or anything like that? 1819.6587 1519 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1819.6587 No. 1820.0696 1520 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1820.2222 No. [Nothing ever happened to me.] 1821.5480 1521 LES_int_01 1820.7608 [That's, um,] 1821.4933 1522 LES_int_01 1821.7249 you were lucky. 1822.4145 1523 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1822.7806 I wasn't lucky, I 1824.0438 1524 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1824.0438 (pause 0.09) 1824.1318 1525 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1824.1318 know, 1824.5624 1526 LES_int_01 1824.5624 You were [smart.] 1825.2215 1527 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1824.8798 [I'm- I'm- I'm] alert. 1825.9471 1528 LES_int_01 1826.0996 Yeah. 1826.4474 1529 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1827.3200 Girl asked me, 1828.0401 1530 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1828.0401 (pause 0.20) 1828.2415 1531 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1828.2415 cause you know, we- I had /oh/ 1830.1681 1532 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1830.1681 (pause 0.75) 1830.9187 1533 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1830.9187 a premises permit 1832.2551 1534 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1832.2551 (pause 0.49) 1832.7432 1535 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1832.7432 for a- at the bar, so you know. 1834.6166 1536 LES_int_01 1834.6166 Where was the bar? 1835.2032 1537 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1836.0759 Long Island [City.] 1836.8325 1538 LES_int_01 1836.7625 [Okay.] 1837.1376 1539 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1837.2292 Mm. 1837.4977 1540 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1837.4977 (pause 0.22) 1837.7173 1541 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1837.7173 Right over 1838.2543 1542 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1838.2543 (pause 0.57) 1838.8218 1543 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1838.8218 Right over the bridge. Queens Bridge. 1840.1202 1544 LES_int_01 1840.2423 Mm-hm. 1840.6389 1545 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1840.9074 Had a premises permit, you know, and 1842.8407 1546 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1842.8407 (pause 1.33) 1844.1710 1547 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1844.1710 e- 1844.3907 1548 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1844.3907 (pause 0.19) 1844.5768 1549 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1844.5768 obvious- I should stay on the property, I, you know. 1847.3096 1550 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1847.3096 (pause 0.21) 1847.5232 1551 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1847.5232 I could keep my gun, but I don't wanna be showing 1849.3112 1552 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1849.3112 (pause 0.48) 1849.7932 1553 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1849.7932 anybody 1850.4645 1554 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1850.4645 (pause 0.28) 1850.7452 1555 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1850.7452 just walking around with my gun because, 1852.4599 1556 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1852.4599 (pause 0.32) 1852.7772 1557 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1852.7772 this tells people that you're afraid of 'em, it sends the wrong message. 1855.8653 1558 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1855.8653 (pause 0.90) 1856.7684 1559 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1856.7684 But, 1856.9942 1560 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1856.9942 (pause 0.12) 1857.1101 1561 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1857.1101 they knew that the w- 1858.4958 1562 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1858.4958 (pause 0.07) 1858.5691 1563 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1858.5691 we had the permit, and they knew 1860.0824 1564 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1860.0824 (pause 0.35) 1860.4302 1565 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1860.4302 particularly, when it's closing time, and I start pulling down the gates and everything, that's when 1863.7700 1566 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1863.7700 (pause 0.23) 1863.9982 1567 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1863.9982 you got people try to do stuff. 1865.4237 1568 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1865.4237 (pause 0.31) 1865.7349 1569 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1865.7349 So, [that's when I used to] you know, stick it in my belt. 1868.0037 1570 LES_int_01 1865.9633 [Mm.] 1866.7360 1571 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1868.9116 And uh, 1869.5645 1572 LES_int_01 1869.7964 Did you have have to 1870.8032 1573 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1870.9985 [Yeah.] 1871.3276 1574 LES_int_01 1870.9985 [pull it] on somebody? 1872.0171 1575 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1872.2246 Huh? 1872.4664 1576 LES_int_01 1872.5457 Did you every have to pull it [on somebody?] 1874.1867 1577 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1873.5160 [No.] 1873.8882 1578 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1874.2055 I never had to pull it on somebody. 1875.5419 1579 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1875.5419 (pause 0.29) 1875.8348 1580 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1875.8348 I was going home one- early one morning. 1877.9396 1581 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1877.9396 (pause 0.38) 1878.3241 1582 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1878.3241 Girl asked me said, how you doing little one? I said, fine. 1880.5453 1583 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1880.5453 (pause 0.23) 1880.7710 1584 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1880.7710 Says 1881.1311 1585 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1881.1311 (pause 0.23) 1881.3568 1586 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1881.3568 you got your gun? 1882.3296 1587 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1882.3296 (pause 0.18) 1882.5127 1588 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1882.5127 I said why? 1883.1961 1589 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1883.1961 (pause 0.34) 1883.5317 1590 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1883.5317 You wa- planning to rob me? No, no, I'm just asking. 1885.9800 1591 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1885.9800 (pause 0.35) 1886.3349 1592 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1886.3349 I said, well don't ask me unless you're planning rob me and then I'll- you'll find out. 1889.6479 1593 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1889.6479 (pause 0.45) 1890.0934 1594 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1890.0934 [So, she] didn't ask me no more. 1891.4406 1595 LES_int_01 1890.0934 [] 1890.5888 1596 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1892.0630 You know, 1892.4270 1597 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1892.4270 (pause 1.09) 1893.5132 1598 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1893.5132 Why do you want to know what I got? 1895.1181 1599 LES_int_01 1898.0313 [Wow.] 1898.5392 1600 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1898.3271 [You] gotta straighten people out right away. 1900.2798 1601 LES_int_01 1900.5264 Uh-huh. 1901.0390 1602 LES_int_01 1901.0390 (pause 2.55) 1903.5895 1603 LES_int_01 1903.5895 And um, 1904.3706 1604 LES_int_01 1904.3706 (pause 0.63) 1904.9991 1605 LES_int_01 1904.9991 I re- I remember reading about Tompkins Square Park. There were riots? 1908.5792 1606 LES_int_01 1908.5792 (pause 0.33) 1908.9087 1607 LES_int_01 1908.9087 [At the end of the decade,] 1909.9310 1608 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1909.4518 [ Well, yeah.] 1911.2946 1609 LES_int_01 1910.5575 [around ninety?] 1911.6558 1610 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1911.6680 [Yeah.] 1912.4717 1611 LES_int_01 1912.0446 [Or something. Were you around for that?] 1913.6372 1612 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1912.7841 [I /?/.] 1913.3199 1613 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1914.0156 Yeah. 1914.3634 1614 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1914.3634 (pause 0.15) 1914.5159 1615 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1914.5159 Yeah, I was at the bar at the time. 1916.3500 1616 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1916.3500 (pause 0.59) 1916.9419 1617 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1916.9419 And uh, 1917.5704 1618 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1917.5704 (pause 0.50) 1918.0708 1619 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1918.0708 1918.4491 1620 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1918.4491 (pause 0.57) 1919.0166 1621 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1919.0166 Yeah. 1919.4682 1622 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1919.4682 (pause 0.56) 1920.0235 1623 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1920.0235 I 1920.3957 1624 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1920.3957 (pause 0.71) 1921.1048 1625 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1921.1048 look, I think it was more of the cops that was doing the rioting, man but. 1924.1856 1626 LES_int_01 1924.6006 Yeah. [Sounded like it.] 1925.6062 1627 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1924.9118 [Yeah.] 1925.4895 1628 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1925.9044 Huh? 1926.2096 1629 LES_int_01 1926.2096 It sounded like it. The [ca- /inaudible/] 1928.5982 1630 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1927.2497 [Yeah, yeah, uh.] 1928.5982 1631 LES_int_01 1928.7386 They fucked up. 1929.3732 1632 LES_int_01 1929.3732 (pause 1.00) 1930.3740 1633 LES_int_01 1930.3740 Killed the people that were there. 1931.3564 1634 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1931.3524 They- they get these guys into the uh 1933.7960 1635 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1934.8577 into the- the school 1936.5969 1636 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1936.5969 (pause 0.10) 1936.7006 1637 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1936.7006 to train 'em to be cops. 1938.0736 1638 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1938.0736 (pause 0.67) 1938.7386 1639 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1938.7386 None of 'em live in the neighborhood they come from. Staton Island, Long Island, 1943.0773 1640 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1943.0773 (pause 0.27) 1943.3458 1641 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1943.3458 you know. 1943.6204 1642 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1943.6204 (pause 0.23) 1943.8460 1643 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1943.8460 They- they come from a totally different element, 1945.9879 1644 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1945.9879 (pause 0.51) 1946.5005 1645 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1946.5005 and uh, 1947.3071 1646 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1947.3071 (pause 1.95) 1949.2537 1647 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1949.2537 I don't know I- there's something very much lacking in the training. 1952.3644 1648 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1952.3644 (pause 0.83) 1953.1943 1649 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1953.1943 Because uh, 1954.0791 1650 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1954.0791 (pause 0.84) 1954.9236 1651 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1954.9236 far as I'm concerned, 1955.9671 1652 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1955.9671 (pause 0.77) 1956.7360 1653 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1956.7360 everybody that doesn't live in their neighborhood or that type of neighborhood 1959.9951 1654 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1959.9951 (pause 0.23) 1960.2269 1655 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1960.2269 is a criminal, and they're trying to make a difference by 1962.7171 1656 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1962.7171 (pause 0.28) 1962.9978 1657 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1962.9978 busting 'em. 1963.6508 1658 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1963.6508 (pause 0.37) 1964.0169 1659 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1964.0169 Uh, you know, a friend of mine wa- 1965.4001 1660 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1965.4001 (pause 0.39) 1965.7906 1661 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1965.7906 he- he- he's probably retired now, he had been a cop a long time. 1969.1820 1662 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1969.1820 (pause 0.40) 1969.5827 1663 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1969.5827 He told me, 1970.2722 1664 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1970.2722 (pause 0.20) 1970.4675 1665 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1970.4675 he's a black guy, he said when- when he- he- 1972.6581 1666 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1972.6581 (pause 0.19) 1972.8473 1667 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1972.8473 when he became a cop, 1973.9230 1668 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1973.9230 (pause 0.29) 1974.2098 1669 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1974.2098 he says, the um, 1975.5310 1670 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1975.5310 (pause 0.32) 1975.8544 1671 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1975.8544 sergeant, or lieutenant whoever it was, told him 1978.1366 1672 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1978.1366 (pause 0.42) 1978.5576 1673 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1978.5576 the guys when uh, he said if you wanna make detective /fair/, 1981.6490 1674 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1981.6490 (pause 0.25) 1981.9018 1675 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1981.9018 is all you have to do 1983.0978 1676 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1983.0978 (pause 1.12) 1984.2194 1677 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1984.2194 whenever you're on your beat. He says, when you see a car coming, 1987.1962 1678 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1987.1962 (pause 0.24) 1987.4342 1679 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1987.4342 if there's black guys in it, stop it. 1989.1832 1680 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1989.1832 (pause 0.31) 1989.4945 1681 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1989.4945 Said ask 'em for their papers 1991.0078 1682 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1991.0078 (pause 0.37) 1991.3800 1683 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1991.3800 search 'em. 1991.8867 1684 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1991.8867 (pause 0.14) 1992.0270 1685 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1992.0270 He says because 1992.9362 1686 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1992.9362 (pause 0.10) 1993.0400 1687 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1993.0400 nine times out of ten, 1994.3058 1688 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1994.3058 (pause 0.27) 1994.5743 1689 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1994.5743 he says 1995.0564 1690 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1995.0564 (pause 0.33) 1995.3859 1691 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1995.3859 you're gonna, one of 'em gonna wind up being dirty 1997.5194 1692 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1997.5194 (pause 0.15) 1997.6719 1693 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 1997.6719 and he says, this way you can bust them. He says you'll make detective before- 2000.3993 1694 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2000.3993 (pause 0.11) 2000.5092 1695 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2000.5092 before you know it. 2001.1865 1696 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2001.1865 (pause 0.24) 2001.4245 1697 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2001.4245 And this is this- [this come.] 2003.1108 1698 LES_int_01 2002.1283 [That's racial profiling.] 2003.7881 1699 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2003.5867 [Of course] it is. 2004.5875 1700 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2005.1489 And but the- you know, this is- this is what was happening then. 2007.6765 1701 LES_int_01 2008.9518 You think that still happens now? 2010.1478 1702 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2011.6564 Well, I'm sure it does, but it's not as open and blatant as it used to be, but. 2015.5158 1703 LES_int_01 2016.2250 Yeah. 2016.5667 1704 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2020.5075 It's n- 2021.1970 1705 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2021.1970 (pause 0.42) 2021.6181 1706 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2021.6181 Like I said, it's a different world. 2022.9545 1707 LES_int_01 2023.3389 [Yeah.] 2023.7844 1708 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2023.5464 [And] if you live long enough, you gotta make a lot of adjustments and getting used to the new stuff. [] 2029.1263 1709 LES_int_01 2027.8815 [Yeah, really.] 2028.8273 1710 LES_int_01 2029.1263 You lived a long time. 2030.4017 1711 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2031.4753 Yeah. 2031.8109 1712 LES_int_01 2032.0611 What do you think of the neighborhood now? 2033.3853 1713 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2034.2274 It's a nice neighborhood now. 2035.4600 1714 LES_int_01 2035.4600 [Kind of gentrified?] 2036.4638 1715 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2035.7621 [Lot of lot of] yuppies. 2037.4707 1716 LES_int_01 2037.7636 Yeah. 2038.0626 1717 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2038.5019 I think 2038.9352 1718 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2038.9352 (pause 0.13) 2039.0694 1719 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2039.0694 everybody 2039.9908 1720 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2039.9908 (pause 0.16) 2040.1495 1721 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2040.1495 in the neighborhood got 2041.0709 1722 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2041.0709 (pause 0.15) 2041.2174 1723 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2041.2174 ticked off 2041.7849 1724 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2041.7849 (pause 0.41) 2042.1970 1725 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2042.1970 when the- when they're 2043.5639 1726 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2043.5639 (pause 0.27) 2043.8324 1727 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2043.8324 before they had that stock ha- st- um. 2046.3153 1728 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2046.3153 (pause 1.65) 2047.9629 1729 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2047.9629 Stock market crash. When did that happen? Eighty-seven? 2051.1151 1730 LES_int_01 2051.1151 Oh. Mm. 2052.2989 1731 LES_int_01 2052.2989 (pause 0.86) 2053.1620 1732 LES_int_01 2053.1620 [Sounds close.] Yeah. Something like that. 2054.9683 1733 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2053.4366 [/Around there/.] 2054.0957 1734 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2055.1940 Before they had that man, these yuppies, man, they 2057.7853 1735 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2057.7853 (pause 0.25) 2058.0355 1736 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2058.0355 they're the ones who ran the prices up on everything. 2060.6089 1737 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2060.6089 (pause 0.36) 2060.9690 1738 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2060.9690 And they had 2061.4083 1739 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2061.4083 (pause 0.12) 2061.5304 1740 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2061.5304 all these art galleries in this neighborhood. 2063.6701 1741 LES_int_01 2063.9569 [Mm.] 2064.3964 1742 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2064.1643 [They] would open up a art gallery 2065.8107 1743 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2066.0865 and the 2066.6589 1744 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2066.6589 (pause 0.40) 2067.0555 1745 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2067.0555 I don't know 2067.6480 1746 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2067.6480 (pause 0.16) 2067.8066 1747 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2067.8066 who these artists were. 2069.1003 1748 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2069.1003 (pause 0.26) 2069.3566 1749 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2069.3566 But the limousines would be double parked, and you'd have all this wine and cheese and 2073.6480 1750 LES_int_01 2073.7212 [Really?] 2074.2155 1751 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2074.0324 [I] mean, t- they just- 2075.0827 1752 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2075.6502 they was like one great big party going on 2077.8836 1753 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2077.8836 (pause 0.29) 2078.1765 1754 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2078.1765 at every other block had all these um 2080.5769 1755 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2080.5769 (pause 0.29) 2080.8698 1756 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2080.8698 art galleries. 2081.6055 1757 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2081.6055 (pause 0.40) 2082.0083 1758 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2082.0083 And 2082.4415 1759 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2082.4415 (pause 0.30) 2082.7405 1760 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2082.7405 that ruined, uh, 2083.5765 1761 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2083.5765 (pause 0.23) 2083.8084 1762 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2083.8084 a lot of uh, the- the p- the poor people in this neighborhood, they couldn't afford to stay. 2087.7536 1763 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2087.7536 (pause 0.28) 2088.0343 1764 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2088.0343 Right across the street from me, over there on Sixth Street, there's this guy 2091.0591 1765 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2091.0591 (pause 0.21) 2091.2727 1766 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2091.2727 he had been over there for a decade. 2092.7970 1767 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2092.7970 (pause 0.34) 2093.1326 1768 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2093.1326 He had a little store. 2094.4263 1769 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2094.4263 (pause 0.43) 2094.8570 1770 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2094.8570 It was a handyman store. 2096.2116 1771 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2096.2116 (pause 0.36) 2096.5717 1772 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2096.5717 You know, if you had a plumbing problem or an electrical problem, or locks. He was good with locks and stuff like that. 2102.1660 1773 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2102.1660 (pause 0.70) 2102.8671 1774 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2102.8671 He was paying 2103.7520 1775 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2103.7520 (pause 0.27) 2104.0266 1776 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2104.0266 two hundred dollars a month. 2105.5487 1777 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2105.5487 (pause 1.20) 2106.7447 1778 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2106.7447 His landlord- his lease was up, his la- 2108.7912 1779 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2108.7912 (pause 0.35) 2109.1452 1780 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2109.1452 his landlord told him, he says, you're getting a new lease. 2111.3480 1781 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2111.3480 (pause 0.24) 2111.5860 1782 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2111.5860 From now on, it's gonna be two thousand dollars a month. 2113.7706 1783 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2113.7706 (pause 0.14) 2113.9109 1784 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2113.9109 He said 2114.3652 1785 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2114.3652 (pause 1.22) 2115.5833 1786 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2115.5833 from two to two thousand? 2116.9380 1787 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2116.9380 (pause 0.37) 2117.3102 1788 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2117.3102 He says yeah. 2117.8472 1789 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2117.8472 (pause 0.29) 2118.1401 1790 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2118.1401 He says, you don't want it? Now, he already had a- a gallery lined up for it and bam. 2122.9586 1791 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2122.9586 (pause 0.74) 2123.6969 1792 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2123.6969 He had to go out, he went to Brooklyn. 2125.3178 1793 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2125.3178 (pause 0.71) 2126.0257 1794 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2126.0257 He opened up in Brooklyn. Right in Williamsburg over there around Bedford Avenue, 2129.6198 1795 LES_int_01 2129.7718 Mm-hm. 2130.2295 1796 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2130.2295 And uh, a gallery moved in where he is. 2132.6154 1797 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2133.0309 And. 2133.7448 1798 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2133.7448 (pause 1.15) 2134.8982 1799 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2134.8982 They ran a lot of 2135.9294 1800 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2135.9294 (pause 0.40) 2136.3329 1801 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2136.3329 people out of business. 2137.4069 1802 LES_int_01 2137.7791 Hm. 2138.1391 1803 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2138.2917 A lot of people. 2139.3229 1804 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2139.3229 (pause 0.92) 2140.2444 1805 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2140.2444 And them buildings they're fixing over there now, on Sixth Street, 2143.2581 1806 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2143.2581 (pause 0.13) 2143.3863 1807 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2143.3863 Yeah. 2143.6853 1808 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2143.6853 (pause 0.52) 2144.2039 1809 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2144.2039 You know why they're fixing 'em? 2145.3389 1810 LES_int_01 2145.4854 Hm. 2145.7722 1811 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2147.4042 When they made the f- the first movie The Godfather. That's a long time ago. 2151.0117 1812 LES_int_01 2151.0117 I heard about it. 2152.2431 1813 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2152.2431 Tha- that's where they did a lot of the filming in the- 2155.1458 1814 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2155.6278 And they painted 'em all green. In [fact the block association] was formed at that time. 2160.0914 1815 LES_int_01 2157.0281 [I heard! That's so cool.] 2158.6574 1816 LES_int_01 2160.6039 Oh. Interesting. [Okay.] 2162.6189 1817 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2161.9756 [Yeah.] 2162.3051 1818 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2162.7933 And uh. 2163.5316 1819 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2163.5316 (pause 0.43) 2163.9649 1820 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2163.9649 The guy that owned the buildings, was 2165.3814 1821 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2165.3814 (pause 0.18) 2165.5645 1822 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2165.5645 old guy. 2166.2296 1823 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2166.2296 (pause 0.16) 2166.3883 1824 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2166.3883 Tall, thin. 2167.4928 1825 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2167.4928 (pause 0.56) 2168.0481 1826 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2168.0481 He look like a s- walking skeleton. 2170.1312 1827 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2170.1312 (pause 1.17) 2171.2967 1828 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2171.2967 And he couldn't even- it'd take him a long time to walk down the street, but he finally passed away. 2175.7109 1829 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2175.7109 (pause 0.56) 2176.2662 1830 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2176.2662 And once he passed away 2177.5172 1831 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2177.5172 (pause 0.34) 2177.8528 1832 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2177.8528 uh, the people wh- right here on Avenue A 2181.1773 1833 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2181.1773 (pause 0.30) 2181.4763 1834 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2181.4763 across the street from Key Foods. 2183.0476 1835 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2183.0476 (pause 0.24) 2183.2917 1836 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2183.2917 They're the ones that wound up 2184.3840 1837 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2184.3840 (pause 0.38) 2184.7684 1838 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2184.7684 with the uh, authority, whatever 2187.0445 1839 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2187.0445 (pause 0.26) 2187.3008 1840 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2187.3008 to sell his property. 2188.3565 1841 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2188.3565 (pause 0.23) 2188.5884 1842 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2188.5884 So, that's what they did. 2189.7168 1843 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2189.7168 (pause 0.23) 2189.9425 1844 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2189.9425 And that's why they're gutting it and fixing it up. 2192.2003 1845 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2192.2003 (pause 0.25) 2192.4505 1846 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2192.4505 [They changed.] 2193.2316 1847 LES_int_01 2192.5665 [Did they kick] the people that were living in [there.] 2195.0500 1848 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2194.8243 [There] was nobody li- 2195.7335 1849 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2195.9226 [there was w-] 2196.4252 1850 LES_int_01 2195.9226 [There wasn't?] 2196.5412 1851 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2196.6266 There was one or two people living in- in one of the buildings but not in all of them. 2200.7882 1852 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2200.7882 (pause 0.27) 2201.0567 1853 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2201.0567 Cause they were just about boarded up. 2202.8874 1854 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2202.8874 (pause 0.39) 2203.2779 1855 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2203.2779 The old man [lived there] 2204.6663 1856 LES_int_01 2203.9531 [Oh. So it was like abandoned] 2205.9546 1857 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2204.8128 [in there somewh-] 2205.4969 1858 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2206.0095 It was kind of. 2206.7940 1859 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2206.7940 (pause 0.22) 2207.0137 1860 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2207.0137 One building I think was totally abandoned. 2208.8504 1861 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2208.8504 (pause 0.33) 2209.1799 1862 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2209.1799 But uh, I guess the old man must have gotten some good money 2211.7855 1863 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2211.7855 (pause 0.23) 2212.0113 1864 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2212.0113 from making that movie. 2213.1036 1865 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2213.1036 (pause 0.76) 2213.8679 1866 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2213.8679 Because he kept them buildings a long [time.] 2216.3453 1867 LES_int_01 2216.0580 [Mm.] 2216.7908 1868 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2216.7908 Without doing nothing to 'em. 2218.0783 1869 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2218.4910 Had them all painted dark green on the outside. 2221.1699 1870 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2221.1699 (pause 0.77) 2221.9387 1871 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2221.9387 [Mm.] 2222.3659 1872 LES_int_01 2221.9387 [Yeah.] 2222.3659 1873 LES_int_01 2222.8038 Uh, so, I interviewed um, a woman that lives in Village View. 2225.9841 1874 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2226.4479 [Yeah.] 2226.8262 1875 LES_int_01 2226.4479 [Who] was an ex- who liv- grew up on this block and she was an extra in The Godfather. [When they filmed it] she was a little girl. 2231.8788 1876 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2230.5242 [Yeah.] 2231.0489 1877 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2231.8849 [Wow.] 2232.7696 1878 LES_int_01 2232.5621 [I] know, and so I went and rented the movie and I watched it and [it's- I knew it's-] 2235.8109 1879 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2235.2983 [And you seen her?] 2236.1953 1880 LES_int_01 2236.1953 I didn't see her. [She sa- she's] like yeah, you can maybe see me in the background, I didn't [see her,] but um. 2240.3203 1881 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2236.8605 [Yeah.] 2237.3303 1882 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2237.3303 (pause 2.26) 2239.5880 1883 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2239.5880 [Yeah.] 2239.9602 1884 LES_int_01 2240.5582 I just thought it was so cool that they filmed it. 2242.3745 1885 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2242.4539 Yeah. 2242.9726 1886 LES_int_01 2242.9726 Filmed it there. 2243.6865 1887 LES_int_01 2243.6865 (pause 0.53) 2244.2174 1888 LES_int_01 2244.2174 And I just- I can see- I mean, I see them everyday working on the 2247.1438 1889 LES_int_01 2247.1438 (pause 0.26) 2247.4062 1890 LES_int_01 2247.4062 [the building.] I was like how did they- how can they r- gut the whole building, like they must have 2251.5634 1891 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2247.5710 [Yeah.] 2247.9310 1892 LES_int_01 2251.7160 I thought they 2252.3593 1893 LES_int_01 2252.3593 (pause 0.31) 2252.6644 1894 LES_int_01 2252.6644 intimidated everybody [to leave] or something. 2255.3005 1895 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2254.2754 [No, no.] 2254.7513 1896 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2255.3921 No. No. 2256.3196 1897 LES_int_01 2256.4355 [That makes more sense.] 2257.7597 1898 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2256.6917 [There was nobody in there.] 2257.8573 1899 LES_int_01 2259.3853 Yeah, that makes more sense. 2260.5447 1900 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2261.3197 Mm. 2261.6004 1901 LES_int_01 2261.8506 But, do you like the- 2263.0934 1902 LES_int_01 2263.0934 (pause 0.95) 2264.0438 1903 LES_int_01 2264.0438 the neighborhood? 2264.9164 1904 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2265.6487 Yeah. I like [it now.] 2266.6924 1905 LES_int_01 2266.4054 [I mean.] 2266.8996 1906 LES_int_01 2267.3390 Yeah. [I guess] there's some tension. 2268.9991 1907 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2267.8031 [Yeah.] 2268.1936 1908 LES_int_01 2269.1821 The 2269.7536 1909 LES_int_01 2269.7536 (pause 0.34) 2270.0954 1910 LES_int_01 2270.0954 yuppies and 2271.2609 1911 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2271.3097 Well at that [time, yeah, people] 2272.8392 1912 LES_int_01 2271.8559 [/inaudible/] 2272.8087 1913 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2273.1931 I mean, people were putting signs up, uh, uh. 2275.6950 1914 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2275.6950 (pause 0.31) 2276.0034 1915 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2276.0034 Fight inflation. Kill a yuppie. 2277.6876 1916 LES_int_01 2277.9361 2278.9735 1917 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2279.7416 [Eh.] 2279.8942 1918 LES_int_01 2279.7416 [] 2280.0834 1919 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2280.9010 But i- 2281.2611 1920 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2281.2611 (pause 0.62) 2281.8835 1921 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2281.8835 the yuppies lost their money after the stock market crashed and they couldn't afford these 2285.8881 1922 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2285.8881 (pause 0.27) 2286.1627 1923 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2286.1627 art galleries and 2287.3343 1924 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2287.3343 (pause 1.01) 2288.3412 1925 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2288.3412 cheese and wine fests. 2289.9618 1926 LES_int_01 2290.4438 Right. 2290.7612 1927 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2290.7612 And that was the end of that. 2291.9389 1928 LES_int_01 2294.1277 And so you think it's different now? 2295.4885 1929 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2295.4885 N- oh, it's very different. 2297.2002 1930 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2297.5846 They got 2298.1277 1931 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2298.1277 (pause 0.72) 2298.8477 1932 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2298.8477 from 2299.4274 1933 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2299.4274 (pause 0.29) 2299.7204 1934 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2299.7204 on Third Avenue 2301.2398 1935 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2301.2398 (pause 0.21) 2301.4534 1936 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2301.4534 and Fourteenth Street, up and down that strip over there. 2303.8775 1937 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2303.8775 (pause 0.51) 2304.3901 1938 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2304.3901 I counted. There's seven dormitories 2306.9847 1939 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2306.9847 (pause 0.46) 2307.4485 1940 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2307.4485 for NYU. 2308.4675 1941 LES_int_01 2308.5774 [Yeah.] 2309.1510 1942 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2308.9557 [There's] 2309.3401 1943 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2309.5964 thousands of young kids coming in here [now.] 2311.8870 1944 LES_int_01 2311.6481 [Yeah.] Yeah. 2312.4963 1945 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2312.4963 And they're all- they're 2313.4755 1946 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2313.6097 they're 2313.7821 1947 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2313.7821 (pause 0.28) 2314.0628 1948 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2314.0628 the week- well, it used to be just the weekends 2316.1620 1949 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2316.1620 (pause 0.25) 2316.4122 1950 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2316.4122 but it usually starts now 2317.8984 1951 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2317.8984 (pause 0.22) 2318.1180 1952 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2318.1180 you can see it every night. 2319.2835 1953 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2319.2835 (pause 0.24) 2319.5215 1954 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2319.5215 But, Thursday 2320.3636 1955 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2320.3636 (pause 0.23) 2320.5894 1956 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2320.5894 from Thursday on, if the weather's nice, forget about it. 2322.9271 1957 LES_int_01 2323.1711 Oh, you can't even walk. [Yeah, you can't even-] I know. 2325.5876 1958 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2324.0987 [You can't even walk] 2325.0384 1959 LES_int_01 2326.1677 It's [crazy.] 2326.8084 1960 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2326.5033 [They're] all over the place. 2328.1204 1961 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2328.3950 And then- 2328.8404 1962 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2328.8404 (pause 0.15) 2328.9869 1963 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2328.9869 they usually got friends, and they're bringing their friends in from- 2331.6150 1964 LES_int_01 2331.6091 Mm. 2331.8957 1965 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2331.9750 And you can always tell, i- 2333.2320 1966 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2333.2320 (pause 0.23) 2333.4578 1967 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2333.4578 I- you can look at somebody and know they don't live in the [neighborhood.] 2336.4418 1968 LES_int_01 2336.3197 [] 2337.0070 1969 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2336.7812 [And] you can almost tell where they come from, oh th- you could tell by the way they walk, they're from Staten Island. 2341.0981 1970 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2341.3545 And the Long Island ones, you can always tell with their twang. 2344.1859 1971 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2344.1859 (pause 0.37) 2344.5581 1972 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2344.5581 [Long Island Twang.] 2345.4429 1973 LES_int_01 2344.5581 [Ah. ] 2346.3765 1974 LES_int_01 2347.5418 That's really funny. 2348.2557 1975 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2348.2557 Before I got rid of my van and everything, 2350.1434 1976 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2350.4973 when I ha- when I had my other van, 2352.2486 1977 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2352.2486 (pause 0.65) 2352.8955 1978 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2352.8955 I'd come home, it was so crowded on the weekends 2355.2391 1979 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2355.2391 (pause 0.82) 2356.0568 1980 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2356.0568 I find out a- 2356.8867 1981 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2356.8867 (pause 1.11) 2357.9973 1982 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2357.9973 When I finish work, and I fi- when I finally find a spot, instead of going upstairs, 2361.9446 1983 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2361.9446 (pause 1.84) 2363.7876 1984 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2363.7876 I sit there and wait, and I start to see the- 2366.2406 1985 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2366.2406 (pause 0.57) 2366.8142 1986 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2366.8142 the uh, 2367.6190 1987 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2367.6190 (pause 0.28) 2367.8997 1988 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2367.8997 people coming, 2368.6808 1989 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2368.6808 (pause 0.33) 2369.0103 1990 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2369.0103 looking for parking spots. 2370.3528 1991 LES_int_01 2370.4199 Hm. 2370.7738 1992 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2370.9020 And uh. 2371.5671 1993 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2371.5671 (pause 1.58) 2373.1498 1994 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2373.1498 I s- s- say, you going out? I say, yeah, give me twenty dollars and you can have this spot. 2376.9759 1995 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2376.9759 (pause 0.86) 2377.8311 1996 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2377.8311 I sold a spot a couple of times for twenty bucks. 2380.2217 1997 LES_int_01 2380.2217 [] 2381.1984 1998 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2380.8075 [And] I go park somewhere in the [neighborhood where, you know, way down the-] 2383.8677 1999 LES_int_01 2382.5401 [ That's blocks away. ] 2386.8594 2000 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2384.2521 [Yeah.] 2384.7220 2001 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2384.7220 (pause 0.59) 2385.3094 2002 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2385.3094 [Way down there.] 2386.1881 2003 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2386.1881 (pause 0.26) 2386.4444 2004 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2386.4444 [But I know] they need it. 2387.3536 2005 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2387.5062 Particularly a guy who's got a car with a couple of girls when he wants to impress 'em. 2391.2630 2006 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2391.2630 (pause 0.26) 2391.5254 2007 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2391.5254 He'll throw out that twenty in a minute. 2392.9419 2008 LES_int_01 2393.1372 That is hilarious. 2394.3332 2009 LES_int_01 2394.3332 (pause 0.23) 2394.5590 2010 LES_int_01 2394.5590 Good for you. 2395.3889 2011 LES_int_01 2395.3889 (pause 0.85) 2396.2395 2012 LES_int_01 2396.2395 That's what you gotta do. 2397.3989 2013 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2398.9854 Yeah. 2399.2967 2014 LES_int_01 2399.7543 2400.2181 2015 LES_int_01 2400.2181 (pause 1.33) 2401.5485 2016 LES_int_01 2401.5485 Um. 2402.0721 2017 LES_int_01 2402.0721 (pause 0.56) 2402.6335 2018 LES_int_01 2402.6335 And so are you still working now? Are you retired? 2404.5565 2019 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2404.6175 Oh, I retired twelve years [ago.] 2406.1919 2020 LES_int_01 2405.9436 [Yeah.] 2406.4848 2021 LES_int_01 2406.7472 Sure, but you help /RD-NAME-2/ now? 2408.1143 2022 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2408.1387 Yeah, I help /RD-NAME-2/ out. 2409.2188 2023 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2409.2188 (pause 0.20) 2409.4140 2024 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2409.4140 Sitting around, watching TV, vegetate. 2411.9018 2025 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2411.9018 (pause 0.50) 2412.4022 2026 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2412.4022 Start turning 2413.3724 2027 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2413.3724 (pause 0.84) 2414.2084 2028 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2414.2084 turning into uh, 2415.4288 2029 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2415.4288 (pause 1.23) 2416.6614 2030 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2416.6614 uh- uh- uh, 2417.6455 2031 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2417.6455 (pause 1.20) 2418.8432 2032 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2418.8432 a dead person. 2419.8911 2033 LES_int_01 2420.3610 Got bored. 2420.8725 2034 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2421.5438 No, you start de- disintegrating. /You know/, almost literally. 2425.3783 2035 LES_int_01 2425.5675 [Yeah.] 2425.8848 2036 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2425.7750 [You] got to do something with your mind, body's gotta do something. 2429.1498 2037 LES_int_01 2429.2536 Mm. 2429.5709 2038 LES_int_01 2429.5709 (pause 0.74) 2430.3154 2039 LES_int_01 2430.3154 And so what do you do? 2431.1697 2040 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2432.2558 Just help /RD-NAME-2/ out whenever he needs help. 2433.8238 2041 LES_int_01 2433.9947 Mm-hm. 2434.2937 2042 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2434.7697 Yeah. 2435.0939 2043 LES_int_01 2435.7285 Do you do- do you like. 2437.0158 2044 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2437.3575 Oh we 2437.7663 2045 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2437.7663 (pause 0.26) 2438.0287 2046 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2438.0287 we- fo- he's not as busy 2440.1157 2047 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2440.1157 (pause 0.59) 2440.7019 2048 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2440.7019 doing the same things that he was doing, but when I first started helping him, 2444.2655 2049 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2444.2655 (pause 0.54) 2444.8041 2050 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2444.8041 the people were moving out of 2446.3516 2051 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2446.3516 (pause 0.29) 2446.6384 2052 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2446.6384 the apartments, 2447.7429 2053 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2447.7429 (pause 0.29) 2448.0297 2054 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2448.0297 and then the landlord would want the apartment painted, so that's what we would do. We'd paint the apartment. 2452.2943 2055 LES_int_01 2452.2943 Mm. 2452.8069 2056 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2452.9289 And uh. 2453.7527 2057 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2453.7527 (pause 0.63) 2454.3831 2058 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2454.3831 Matter of fact, uh, I was helping him do some iron work too on the fire escapes. 2457.9912 2059 LES_int_01 2458.5404 Hm. 2458.8944 2060 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2459.4313 Cause, I have a license for welding and burning stuff like that from the fire department, I got that when I was 2464.3240 2061 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2464.3240 (pause 0.20) 2464.5254 2062 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2464.5254 doing trucking. 2465.3858 2063 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2465.3858 (pause 0.72) 2466.1058 2064 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2466.1058 When I t- was in trucking, I wasn't driving the truck. 2468.6891 2065 LES_int_01 2468.8859 Hm. 2469.2398 2066 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2469.4412 This was a company 2470.4359 2067 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2470.4359 (pause 0.34) 2470.7717 2068 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2470.7717 that uh, we used to get these trucks in 2473.3895 2069 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2473.3895 (pause 0.48) 2473.8737 2070 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2473.8737 and we'd either cut 'em up, 2475.2405 2071 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2475.2405 (pause 0.39) 2475.6311 2072 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2475.6311 and we were building 2476.7408 2073 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2476.7408 (pause 0.84) 2477.5829 2074 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2477.5829 dump trucks, 2478.4555 2075 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2478.4555 (pause 0.91) 2479.3648 2076 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2479.3648 tow trucks, 2480.2984 2077 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2480.2984 (pause 0.65) 2480.9452 2078 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2480.9452 and anything hydraulic I could fix. So, that's what we was doing. 2483.8948 2079 LES_int_01 2483.8948 Okay. 2484.4562 2080 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2484.5478 Yeah. 2484.9322 2081 LES_int_01 2486.9309 Ah. 2487.2482 2082 LES_int_01 2487.2482 (pause 1.67) 2488.9216 2083 LES_int_01 2488.9216 Well, it's nice that you've 2489.8761 2084 LES_int_01 2489.8761 (pause 0.08) 2489.9558 2085 LES_int_01 2489.9558 something to do 2490.8162 2086 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2492.3356 Then /RD-NAME-2/ got 2493.2511 2087 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2493.2511 (pause 0.13) 2493.3793 2088 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2493.3793 very paranoid about climbing 2494.9177 2089 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2494.9177 (pause 0.26) 2495.1800 2090 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2495.1800 ladders and fixing up fire escapes. 2497.0586 2091 LES_int_01 2497.7726 Oh [yeah?] 2498.1753 2092 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2498.0716 [He g-] ye- think he- yeah, he got. 2499.4579 2093 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2499.7447 All of a sudden, he got thing with the uh 2502.1612 2094 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2502.1612 (pause 0.43) 2502.5944 2095 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2502.5944 fear of heights. 2503.5647 2096 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2503.5647 (pause 0.28) 2503.8496 2097 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2503.8496 He didn't wanna do it no more. I said, well I'll do it, don't worry about it, I don't care about the height. 2507.4532 2098 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2507.4532 (pause 0.34) 2507.7889 2099 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2507.7889 He wouldn't let me do it either. 2509.0010 2100 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2509.0010 (pause 0.22) 2509.2207 2101 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2509.2207 Yeah. 2509.3878 2102 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2509.3878 (pause 0.13) 2509.5221 2103 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2509.5221 He wouldn't take the job, so. 2511.0026 2104 LES_int_01 2511.1063 Did something happen? [Like, did he fall?] 2512.6989 2105 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2512.2169 [No, nothing] happened. Just happened. 2513.7938 2106 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2514.0623 You know 2514.4222 2107 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2514.4222 (pause 0.13) 2514.5564 2108 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2514.5564 just like 2515.1910 2109 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2515.1910 (pause 0.70) 2515.8883 2110 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2515.8883 he- you know, he's a motorcycle guy, as you. 2518.4024 2111 LES_int_01 2518.8417 Yeah. 2519.1713 2112 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2519.6533 And he- oh at the [time.] 2521.1977 2113 LES_int_01 2520.7629 [He goes] up north. 2521.6920 2114 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2521.9482 Huh? 2522.2472 2115 LES_int_01 2522.2472 He goes up north right? Up the fr- on the weekends? 2524.6758 2116 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2524.8651 Yeah, but he doesn't go up there to ride a [motorcycle.] 2527.3304 2117 LES_int_01 2526.9826 [Oh.] 2527.3353 2118 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2527.8674 He goes up there for, uh, he's got a farm up there. 2530.3998 2119 LES_int_01 2530.4608 Mm. 2530.6866 2120 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2531.2968 However, 2532.0448 2121 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2532.0448 (pause 0.59) 2532.6367 2122 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2532.6367 I mean, he used to ride all the time. He has so many bikes. 2535.8878 2123 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2535.8878 (pause 0.24) 2536.1258 2124 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2536.1258 He had at least a half a dozen 2537.9808 2125 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2537.9808 (pause 0.33) 2538.3104 2126 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2538.3104 working bikes. Plus al- uh, maybe another 2540.9355 2127 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2540.9355 (pause 0.24) 2541.1795 2128 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2541.1795 half a dozen to a dozen bikes that weren't quite working. They all needed- 2544.5932 2129 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2544.5932 (pause 0.29) 2544.8861 2130 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2544.8861 They all needed something. 2545.8748 2131 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2545.8748 (pause 0.54) 2546.4118 2132 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2546.4118 But the- and he'd fix bikes for people. He was a- he's a 2548.6977 2133 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2548.6977 (pause 0.19) 2548.8868 2134 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2548.8868 expert uh, motorcycle mechanic. 2551.1525 2135 LES_int_01 2551.8269 Where does he keep his bikes? 2553.0014 2136 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2553.8313 Well, they're all over the place now. He's got some up 2556.5101 2137 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2556.5101 (pause 0.12) 2556.6322 2138 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2556.6322 in West Chester. 2557.8160 2139 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2557.8160 (pause 0.44) 2558.2605 2140 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2558.2605 He used to have them in the backyards and the basement, [it was in the basement where he lived.] 2562.0683 2141 LES_int_01 2560.8357 [] 2562.3917 2142 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2562.5199 And the landlord, when he had to move man, he had to get all that stuff out of there. Go to his sister's house, said yeah, she said no man, you got to get these bikes out of here. 2570.1785 2143 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2570.1785 (pause 1.37) 2571.5443 2144 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2571.5443 So, [yeah.] 2573.0577 2145 LES_int_01 2572.0874 [How did you meet him?] 2573.0577 2146 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2574.2475 He lived across the street from me on Sixth Street. 2576.1561 2147 LES_int_01 2576.5405 Oh [yeah.] 2577.2728 2148 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2576.9188 [Yeah.] 2577.2728 2149 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2578.8110 So, finally had to get rid of 'em. 2580.1718 2150 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2580.1718 (pause 0.24) 2580.4098 2151 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2580.4098 But, what happened was 2581.5766 2152 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2581.5766 (pause 1.65) 2583.2242 2153 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2583.2242 one of our friends, guys used to ride with us. 2585.3721 2154 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2585.3721 (pause 0.59) 2585.9640 2155 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2585.9640 Not us. With him. 2587.1661 2156 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2587.1661 (pause 0.21) 2587.3736 2157 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2587.3736 Cause I don't ride. 2588.2157 2158 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2588.2157 (pause 0.35) 2588.5635 2159 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2588.5635 I've owned a few bikes, but I've never 2590.5162 2160 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2590.5162 (pause 0.42) 2590.9372 2161 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2590.9372 actually ridden on. 2592.0234 2162 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2592.0234 (pause 1.13) 2593.1553 2163 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2593.1553 And this guy, nice guy, 2594.4977 2164 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2594.4977 (pause 0.34) 2594.8395 2165 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2594.8395 he bought a 2595.5046 2166 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2595.5046 (pause 0.30) 2595.8036 2167 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2595.8036 fact, he bought a 2596.6945 2168 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2596.6945 (pause 0.54) 2597.2315 2169 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2597.2315 he got a nice little apartment right across the street over here. 2600.3722 2170 LES_int_01 2600.7261 Mm-hm. 2601.0983 2171 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2601.4583 Just before you get to that French restaurant there. 2604.1059 2172 LES_int_01 2604.3256 Mm. 2604.7100 2173 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2604.8809 There's a gate there and a 2606.2215 2174 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2606.2215 (pause 0.25) 2606.4717 2175 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2606.4717 there's a yard. 2607.2772 2176 LES_int_01 2608.3816 On totally. There's a little table in the front? 2610.6359 2177 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2610.7463 Yeah. [Before you get there] 2612.3389 2178 LES_int_01 2611.1429 [Yeah, yeah, yeah.] 2612.3389 2179 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2613.2543 He got this apartment over there, and I- 2615.0468 2180 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2615.0468 (pause 0.24) 2615.2848 2181 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2615.2848 one of- one of- one of our friends 2617.3969 2182 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2617.3969 (pause 0.89) 2618.2878 2183 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2618.2878 and uh 2618.9835 2184 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2618.9835 (pause 1.65) 2620.6359 2185 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2620.6359 he was 2621.4047 2186 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2621.4047 (pause 0.39) 2621.7987 2187 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2621.7987 riding his bike. 2622.8910 2188 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2622.8910 (pause 0.54) 2623.4314 2189 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2623.4314 He was over there on uh. 2625.0119 2190 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2625.0119 (pause 1.14) 2626.1477 2191 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2626.1477 S- what the heck is that little street? 2627.7953 2192 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2627.7953 (pause 0.69) 2628.4849 2193 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2628.4849 There's Fourth Avenue, there's another little street over there 2631.8857 2194 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2631.8857 (pause 0.65) 2632.5325 2195 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2632.5325 by Union Square that comes out. What the heck is the [name?] 2635.3351 2196 LES_int_01 2634.8896 [Oh.] 2635.8476 2197 LES_int_01 2638.6905 Not Fourth? 2639.4638 2198 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2640.4462 No. Past, going west. 2642.3137 2199 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2642.3137 (pause 1.99) 2644.3030 2200 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2644.3030 University Place. 2645.7065 2201 LES_int_01 2645.7065 Oh University Place. Yeah [yeah yeah.] 2647.2443 2202 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2646.7866 [Yeah.] The guy was making a turn 2648.4263 2203 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2648.6765 and the bike slipped. 2649.6406 2204 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2649.6406 (pause 0.35) 2649.9945 2205 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2649.9945 And uh, he was making a turn or trying to pass a truck. 2652.7986 2206 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2652.7986 (pause 0.67) 2653.4664 2207 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2653.4664 And he went underneath the truck, and the truck ran over him, killed him. 2656.2368 2208 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2656.2368 (pause 0.13) 2656.3714 2209 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2656.3714 Bam! Just like that. 2657.3722 2210 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2657.3722 (pause 0.87) 2658.2440 2211 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2658.2440 And /RD-NAME-2/ we, you know, we had a wake, his girlfriend /was/ came, and everything. I- 2662.5813 2212 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2662.5813 (pause 0.19) 2662.7704 2213 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2662.7704 it was a very sad situation. 2664.4363 2214 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2664.4363 (pause 0.43) 2664.8672 2215 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2664.8672 In fact, 2665.5872 2216 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2665.5872 (pause 0.47) 2666.0571 2217 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2666.0571 /RD-NAME-2/'s girlfriend, she said she had seen the whole thing from her office window. 2669.6718 2218 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2669.6718 (pause 0.55) 2670.2244 2219 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2670.2244 And uh, it was very very bad. 2672.2320 2220 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2672.2320 (pause 0.63) 2672.8611 2221 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2672.8611 And /RD-NAME-2/ hasn't ridden since. 2674.5697 2222 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2674.5697 (pause 0.45) 2675.0151 2223 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2675.0151 He had- he got like this- he don't wanna ride no [more.] 2677.5530 2224 LES_int_01 2677.4127 [Oh.] Wow. 2678.5355 2225 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2678.5355 Yeah. 2678.9511 2226 LES_int_01 2679.7383 Well, maybe that's for the best, cause it's- 2681.5873 2227 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2681.5873 [Huh?] 2681.8802 2228 LES_int_01 2681.9933 if it's dangerous. 2683.0579 2229 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2684.0281 Yeah. 2684.5651 2230 LES_int_01 2685.3084 Is that why you don't ride? 2686.4117 2231 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2687.1622 I never learned. 2687.9372 2232 LES_int_01 2688.3033 Oh yeah? 2688.7976 2233 LES_int_01 2688.7976 (pause 0.58) 2689.3773 2234 LES_int_01 2689.3773 But you could. 2690.1035 2235 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2690.3842 Oh yeah, I w- I'd ride in a minute. 2692.1349 2236 LES_int_01 2692.5621 You would? 2692.9526 2237 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2693.0014 Yeah. 2693.4774 2238 LES_int_01 2693.4774 You're not scared? 2694.1486 2239 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2694.7059 No. 2695.1574 2240 LES_int_01 2695.3100 I'd be scared. 2696.1460 2241 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2697.7569 I'm not afraid. 2698.6418 2242 LES_int_01 2698.6418 Well, you have to lean, 2699.6040 2243 LES_int_01 2699.6040 (pause 0.64) 2700.2468 2244 LES_int_01 2700.2468 fall over. 2700.8915 2245 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2701.2760 Kind of depends upon how fast [you're going. I'm not-] I'm- I am not into speeding anymore. 2705.4520 2246 LES_int_01 2702.6084 [] 2703.5237 2247 LES_int_01 2705.4520 Oh yeah. 2705.8508 2248 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2705.8609 I di- I had enough of that when I was in the car business. 2708.6496 2249 LES_int_01 2708.7900 Mm-hm. 2709.2476 2250 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2710.4809 In the simonizing business, which they call uh, 2713.0521 2251 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2713.0521 (pause 0.98) 2714.0345 2252 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2714.0345 detailing now. 2715.0109 2253 LES_int_01 2715.0719 Yeah, that's so interesting. 2716.2679 2254 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2717.1466 [Yeah.] 2717.3846 2255 LES_int_01 2717.1466 [I've] never heard that word. 2718.2604 2256 LES_int_01 2720.4192 Have to look it up. 2721.2465 2257 LES_int_01 2721.2465 (pause 1.13) 2722.3780 2258 LES_int_01 2722.3780 Um. Well, is there anything else 2724.1293 2259 LES_int_01 2724.1293 (pause 0.29) 2724.4222 2260 LES_int_01 2724.4222 you wanna- 2724.9165 2261 LES_int_01 2724.9165 (pause 0.64) 2725.5572 2262 LES_int_01 2725.5572 you wanna tell me? 2726.2186 2263 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2727.0302 Well. 2727.3170 2264 LES_int_01 2727.4086 Anything else I need to know? 2728.4642 2265 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2728.8527 Well, I think with what I tell you can. 2730.4553 2266 LES_int_01 2730.4553 [] 2731.1204 2267 LES_int_01 2731.1204 (pause 0.37) 2731.4874 2268 LES_int_01 2731.4874 I'll [see you around.] 2732.2685 2269 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2731.7193 [Do it again.] 2732.2136 2270 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2732.3905 Yeah. 2732.7139 2271 LES_int_01 2733.0740 I really appreciate it. This was really fun. 2734.8558 2272 LES_int_01 2734.8558 (pause 1.19) 2736.0419 2273 LES_int_01 2736.0419 I like to he- to learn about people you know. It's like you meet somebody, I mean, you don't really know 2739.9595 2274 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2740.0510 Yeah. 2740.5209 2275 LES_int_01 2740.5209 what their life was like. 2741.6494 2276 LES_int_01 2741.6494 (pause 0.26) 2741.9118 2277 LES_int_01 2741.9118 Or is like. 2742.4244 2278 LES_int_01 2742.4244 (pause 1.03) 2743.4495 2279 LES_int_01 2743.4495 [That's cool.] 2743.9682 2280 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2743.7180 [Yeah.] 2744.0963 2281 LES_int_01 2744.2672 Thanks. 2744.5418 2282 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2744.9751 How was your interview with /RD-NAME-2/? 2746.4816 2283 LES_int_01 2746.6219 It was good. 2747.3298 2284 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2747.5556 [Yeah.] 2747.7264 2285 LES_int_01 2747.5556 [It] was in uh. 2748.5746 2286 LES_int_01 2748.7882 It was in 2749.5632 2287 LES_int_01 2749.5632 (pause 0.33) 2749.8927 2288 LES_int_01 2749.8927 January. 2750.7714 2289 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2751.3645 Oh, it was that [long?] 2752.1578 2290 LES_int_01 2752.0658 [Yeah.] It was in the winter. [And he was.] 2754.3850 2291 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2753.4514 [Oh, that's before he] went in the hospital. 2754.9220 2292 LES_int_01 2755.2454 It was before he went in the hospital, um and he was 2758.5139 2293 LES_int_01 2758.5139 (pause 0.28) 2758.7946 2294 LES_int_01 2758.7946 like 2759.0265 2295 LES_int_01 2759.0265 (pause 0.10) 2759.1302 2296 LES_int_01 2759.1302 just about to go 2760.3744 2297 LES_int_01 2760.3744 (pause 0.23) 2760.6002 2298 LES_int_01 2760.6002 I think into court to argue about getting [kicked out of his place.] 2764.5116 2299 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2763.3217 [His apartment. Yeah.] 2764.5116 2300 LES_int_01 2764.8106 So, he was very. He was agitated. 2767.0245 2301 LES_int_01 2767.0245 (pause 0.34) 2767.3662 2302 LES_int_01 2767.3662 I [mean, he was.] 2768.1455 2303 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2767.5902 [Yeah.] 2768.1150 2304 LES_int_01 2768.3529 He was upset about all that stuff that was going on. 2770.5375 2305 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2770.7084 2770.8426 2306 LES_int_01 2771.0440 At the time, so that's like mainly what we talked about. 2773.1504 2307 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2773.1504 Well, since he came out of the hospital, he's like a different person. 2775.8048 2308 LES_int_01 2776.1588 I know [he's really different.] 2777.8182 2309 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2776.7869 [Oh.] 2777.5802 2310 LES_int_01 2778.2575 Is it because he's on medication? 2779.8990 2311 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2779.8990 Well, that has a lot to do with it. 2781.5493 2312 LES_int_01 2781.5493 Yeah, he's just [very] 2782.8918 2313 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2782.3914 [Yeah.] 2782.8918 2314 LES_int_01 2783.1237 [subdued.] 2783.9231 2315 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2783.7400 [Cause] the meds that he's one, I've known. 2785.4364 2316 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2786.1381 I know people who are on it. 2787.4615 2317 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2787.4615 (pause 0.27) 2787.7361 2318 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2787.7361 And the few people that I know are on it, man, they have to take that the rest of their lives. 2791.2326 2319 LES_int_01 2791.2326 What is he taking? 2792.0930 2320 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2792.4713 Uh, I forgot the name of it. It'll 2794.2781 2321 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2794.2781 (pause 0.32) 2794.6015 2322 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2794.6015 cross my mind in a minute. 2795.6755 2323 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2795.6755 (pause 0.58) 2796.2534 2324 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2796.2534 But. 2796.4853 2325 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2796.4853 (pause 0.52) 2797.0100 2326 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2797.0100 It's- it's like a tranquilizer. It keeps [you mellow.] 2799.9069 2327 LES_int_01 2799.2234 [Is it valium] or something? 2800.9320 2328 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2801.1151 No, it's not valium. 2802.1468 2329 LES_int_01 2802.2322 But like something like that. 2803.1567 2330 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2803.1445 [Something like] it, yeah. 2804.2673 2331 LES_int_01 2803.4343 [Yeah. 2803.8248 2332 LES_int_01 2805.0789 That's what I thought, only cause he's [so, he's] just very 2807.9783 2333 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2806.4283 [Yeah.] 2806.9287 2334 LES_int_01 2808.2712 mellow. 2808.7410 2335 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2811.0456 Cause he used to be a [firecracker.] 2813.1689 2336 LES_int_01 2812.6991 [ Yeah.] 2813.7364 2337 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2813.8585 Yeah. 2814.4077 2338 LES_int_01 2814.6090 I sensed that. 2815.4389 2339 LES_int_01 2815.4389 (pause 0.29) 2815.7318 2340 LES_int_01 2815.7318 I saw his video too. Di- have you seen his [movie?] 2818.4350 2341 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2818.0872 [No.] 2818.8073 2342 LES_int_01 2818.8256 Some- some 2819.7653 2343 LES_int_01 2819.7653 (pause 0.15) 2819.9179 2344 LES_int_01 2819.9179 filmmaker made a 2821.0040 2345 LES_int_01 2821.0040 (pause 0.42) 2821.4251 2346 LES_int_01 2821.4251 movie about him, like just followed him around with the camera. 2823.9995 2347 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2824.1032 Really? 2824.7256 2348 LES_int_01 2824.7256 Yeah, and uh. 2826.0412 2349 LES_int_01 2826.0412 (pause 0.68) 2826.7247 2350 LES_int_01 2826.7247 And he brought it over when I interviewed him. 2828.8399 2351 LES_int_01 2828.8399 (pause 0.21) 2829.0473 2352 LES_int_01 2829.0473 And you know, said would I buy it and I bought it. 2830.7376 2353 LES_int_01 2830.7376 (pause 0.43) 2831.1648 2354 LES_int_01 2831.1648 It's called Cowboy Stan. 2832.5195 2355 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2832.9771 [You're kidding.] 2833.5873 2356 LES_int_01 2833.2029 [Oh,] yeah, I'll lend it to you, it was funny. But. But 2835.8113 2357 LES_int_01 2836.2933 from that, I mean I talked to him, we talked like this and so I'd met him a few times, but then I watched the movie. And [so I got] 2842.1970 2358 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2841.4363 [Yeah.] 2841.7536 2359 LES_int_01 2842.3435 a better [idea of.] He was a- he is a character. 2845.3335 2360 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2843.0757 [Yeah.] 2843.8507 2361 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2843.8507 (pause 1.48) 2845.3335 2362 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2845.3335 He, oh [man.] 2846.4143 2363 LES_int_01 2846.1092 [] 2846.7133 2364 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2846.7133 He used walk- he- 2847.6243 2365 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2847.9460 he used to walk, cause he used to have sometimes a half a dozen pitbulls he used to walk the street with. 2852.7185 2366 LES_int_01 2852.7671 Oh my God. 2854.0363 2367 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2854.0363 Mothers, fathers of 2855.1713 2368 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2855.5008 kids 2855.9951 2369 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2855.9951 (pause 0.88) 2856.8707 2370 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2856.8707 Man, he was walking up, people just gave him the whole- 2858.9641 2371 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2858.9641 (pause 0.26) 2859.2265 2372 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2859.2265 the whole street, man. 2860.1968 2373 LES_int_01 2860.3798 So funny. 2861.2036 2374 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2861.2036 Yeah. 2861.5270 2375 LES_int_01 2861.7101 Yeah, he's a funny guy. 2862.7610 2376 LES_int_01 2862.7610 (pause 0.18) 2862.9379 2377 LES_int_01 2862.9379 But I f- I feel, I mean, I- 2864.6221 2378 LES_int_01 2864.6221 (pause 0.41) 2865.0310 2379 LES_int_01 2865.0310 I feel bad seeing him now, because he's so. He just seems not [himself.] 2868.6992 2380 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2867.9304 [Yeah, but.] 2868.4917 2381 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2868.9006 /RD-NAME-2/ saved his life. 2870.2763 2382 LES_int_01 2870.4533 Really? 2870.8377 2383 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2871.1001 Yeah. 2871.4906 2384 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2871.4906 (pause 0.38) 2871.8690 2385 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2871.8690 Cause if it wasn't for /RD-NAME-2/ getting him 2873.4799 2386 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2873.4799 (pause 0.44) 2873.9193 2387 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2873.9193 th- getting him in there getting the right treatment and everything, man. 2876.8588 2388 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2876.8588 (pause 0.32) 2877.1761 2389 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2877.1761 The guy was not in a position to- 2879.2325 2390 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2879.2325 (pause 0.18) 2879.4095 2391 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2879.4095 to help himself. So, /RD-NAME-2/ helped him. 2881.1120 2392 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2881.1120 (pause 0.31) 2881.4171 2393 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2881.4171 [He really.] 2881.8137 2394 LES_int_01 2881.5635 [He] got him in the hospital? 2882.6131 2395 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2882.6131 Yeah. 2883.2294 2396 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2884.0757 Otherwise, he'd 2884.8568 2397 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2884.8568 (pause 0.45) 2885.3022 2398 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2885.3022 no way. 2885.9124 2399 LES_int_01 2886.1748 Yeah. 2886.7484 2400 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2886.8705 And /RD-NAME-2/'s done that for a few people man. He- 2889.0306 2401 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2889.0306 (pause 0.73) 2889.7625 2402 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2889.7625 he's- he's good like that. 2891.0012 2403 LES_int_01 2891.0928 Yeah. 2891.4589 2404 LES_int_01 2891.4589 (pause 0.38) 2891.8372 2405 LES_int_01 2891.8372 Yeah, he seems like a good guy. 2893.0638 2406 LES_se0_ag4_m_02 2893.2957 He really is. 2894.1866