Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 PRV_int_01 0.5579 What you have to tell me, you know, about Princeville, 2.8915 2 PRV_int_01 2.8915 (pause 0.37) 3.2635 3 PRV_int_01 3.2635 um, 3.6705 4 PRV_int_01 3.6705 (pause 0.87) 4.5415 5 PRV_int_01 4.5415 but uh, 5.0906 6 PRV_int_01 5.0906 (pause 0.74) 5.8290 7 PRV_int_01 5.8290 I guess 6.3497 8 PRV_int_01 6.3497 (pause 0.44) 6.7946 9 PRV_int_01 6.7946 we can start. W- You said you weren't- 8.7380 10 PRV_int_01 8.7380 (pause 0.29) 9.0315 11 PRV_int_01 9.0315 you uh- 9.6800 12 PRV_int_01 9.6800 (pause 0.39) 10.0681 13 PRV_int_01 10.0681 you weren't born in- in- in Princeville? 11.5828 14 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 11.6065 No not e- exactly in Princeville. 13.4573 15 PRV_int_01 13.4573 Okay you were born over [in Tarboro?] 14.9625 16 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 14.3499 [/Inaudible/] 15.1877 17 PRV_int_01 15.3534 Okay. 15.7699 18 PRV_int_01 15.7699 (pause 0.36) 16.1297 19 PRV_int_01 16.1297 And when did you move to uh, Princeville? 18.3355 20 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 18.8656 Um, 19.5330 21 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 19.5330 (pause 0.60) 20.1294 22 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 20.1294 about 20.7211 23 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 20.7211 (pause 0.42) 21.1404 24 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 21.1404 twenty five to thirty years ago. 22.7214 25 PRV_int_01 23.0054 Okay. 23.4503 26 PRV_int_01 23.4503 (pause 0.87) 24.3213 27 PRV_int_01 24.3213 And how old were you then? 25.4147 28 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 25.4336 Forty two. 26.0868 29 PRV_int_01 26.2620 What? 26.5318 30 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 26.7238 So I was 27.2398 31 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 27.2398 (pause 0.27) 27.5049 32 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 27.5049 born here out- 28.2953 33 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 28.2953 (pause 0.34) 28.6352 34 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 28.6352 moved here at a young age 29.9331 35 PRV_int_01 30.1319 [Okay.] 30.6005 36 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 30.3565 [Yeah] but I was you know, raised in Edgecombe County, [went to] all the city schools. 34.5957 37 PRV_int_01 32.9390 [Okay.] 33.4928 38 PRV_int_01 35.0595 So, I'm sorry. You- you- you moved here when you were how [old?] 37.5399 39 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 37.3363 [Uh-huh], probably about 38.3972 40 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 38.6144 ten or twelve, was that old. 39.7484 41 PRV_int_01 39.8336 Okay. 40.2738 42 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 40.2785 Yeah. 41.0217 43 PRV_int_01 40.9033 Alright. 41.2015 44 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 41.1826 So I grew up around here in this area 42.6973 45 PRV_int_01 42.7068 Oh okay. 43.5267 46 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 43.9043 all my life. 44.5954 47 PRV_int_01 44.8510 What- what part of uh, Princeville? 46.9175 48 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 47.1021 Uh, right outside of Princeville. About a mile outside of Princeville, /unintelligible/ highway. 51.0025 49 PRV_int_01 51.2088 Okay. 51.6300 50 PRV_int_01 51.6300 (pause 0.40) 52.0324 51 PRV_int_01 52.0324 Alright. 52.4915 52 PRV_int_01 52.4915 (pause 0.32) 52.8087 53 PRV_int_01 52.8087 Did you go to school [around-] 53.9636 54 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 53.6749 [I went] to /RD-SCHOOL-5/. 54.8346 55 PRV_int_01 54.8156 /RD-SCHOOL-5/. 55.6675 56 PRV_int_01 55.8333 Okay. 56.2167 57 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 56.0795 /RD-SCHOOL-5/. 56.8558 58 PRV_int_01 57.0972 And uh, where'd you go to school before that? 58.8371 59 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 59.3151 Um- 60.2950 60 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 60.2950 (pause 0.63) 60.9292 61 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 60.9292 61.2748 62 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 61.2748 (pause 0.75) 62.0227 63 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 62.0227 Never fails, /does it/? 63.2581 64 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 63.2581 (pause 0.38) 63.6415 65 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 63.6415 Um, /RD-SCHOOL-5/. 64.8087 66 PRV_int_01 65.0453 Okay. 65.4240 67 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 65.4998 Mm. 65.8264 68 PRV_int_01 65.9731 [Okay.] 66.3092 69 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 66.1198 [/RD-SCHOOL-5/.] 66.9671 70 PRV_int_01 67.1091 Alright. 67.4594 71 PRV_int_01 67.4594 (pause 0.47) 67.9327 72 PRV_int_01 67.9327 What was that like? 68.6286 73 PRV_int_01 68.6286 (pause 0.17) 68.7990 74 PRV_int_01 68.7990 Do your remember? Uh, yeah /?/- 69.8572 75 PRV_int_01 69.8572 (pause 0.64) 70.5010 76 PRV_int_01 70.5010 /?/ 70.8134 77 PRV_int_01 70.8134 (pause 0.27) 71.0785 78 PRV_int_01 71.0785 You go way back there? [] 72.6689 79 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 72.4038 [Aw] that was the day where you had to walk to school. [] 75.1540 80 PRV_int_01 74.6475 [Okay.] 75.1871 81 PRV_int_01 75.3528 [Uh-] 75.6652 82 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 75.5401 [Uh], we had to walk to school based on the 77.9873 83 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 78.4464 distance you stay from the school? 79.7008 84 PRV_int_01 79.6771 Mm-hm. 80.0179 85 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 80.0132 So we was in walking distance, so we had to walk to school during that time. But it was 83.0406 86 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 83.8832 uh- it was the old high school. 85.2369 87 PRV_int_01 85.4594 Oh [okay.] 86.0463 88 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 85.8286 [And then] uh, so it was- it was um, 87.8714 89 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 88.0466 so fun. They- I don't remember a whole lot about those days, but um, 90.8914 90 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 90.8914 (pause 0.52) 91.4073 91 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 91.4073 those /couple of/ days. [] 93.2155 92 PRV_int_01 92.4534 [Okay.] 92.8321 93 PRV_int_01 93.3981 Alright. 93.7436 94 PRV_int_01 93.7436 (pause 0.62) 94.3590 95 PRV_int_01 94.3590 Do you- do you have a lot of 95.3909 96 PRV_int_01 95.3909 (pause 0.48) 95.8737 97 PRV_int_01 95.8737 friends that 96.4370 98 PRV_int_01 96.4370 (pause 0.31) 96.7446 99 PRV_int_01 96.7446 are from this 97.4594 100 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 97.8002 [Oh yeah.] 98.1647 101 PRV_int_01 97.8097 [area] that you went to [school with] at that [time?] 99.7275 102 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 98.6854 [Yeah.] 99.0640 103 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 99.0640 (pause 0.36) 99.4265 104 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 99.4265 [Yep.] Basically um, 100.7235 105 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 101.6560 many of- 102.1719 106 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 102.1719 (pause 0.37) 102.5411 107 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 102.5411 probably ninety eight percent of my friends are from right here in this area. 105.0451 108 PRV_int_01 105.2628 [Okay.] 105.6936 109 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 105.2731 [You know, /??/] so close to Tarboro so you all go to the same school. 108.5254 110 PRV_int_01 108.6074 Right. 108.8866 111 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 109.1849 So you- you either see 'em in school or see 'em after school. 112.0000 112 PRV_int_01 112.2407 Yeah. 112.4584 113 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 112.5199 You know, cause it's not like you're miles away your just feets away. 115.1091 114 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 115.1091 (pause 0.16) 115.2653 115 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 115.2653 [You know? ] 117.0593 116 PRV_int_01 115.2653 [Okay. ] 116.2877 117 PRV_int_01 116.2877 (pause 0.56) 116.8510 118 PRV_int_01 116.8510 [Wow.] 117.0735 119 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 117.5496 So. 117.9756 120 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 117.9756 (pause 0.54) 118.5152 121 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 118.5152 So we rode the s- rode the same busses and everything. 120.5744 122 PRV_int_01 120.6500 Okay. 121.0571 123 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 121.2795 Yeah. 121.5257 124 PRV_int_01 121.4499 So you said you started walk- you- when you- 123.2439 125 PRV_int_01 123.5070 m- 123.6774 126 PRV_int_01 123.6774 (pause 0.45) 124.1318 127 PRV_int_01 124.1318 middle [school you just walked?] 125.2205 128 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 124.4395 [Yeah, middle school we had] to walk to school, but high school 126.6424 129 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 126.8014 cause of the distance we rode the bus. 128.3303 130 PRV_int_01 128.4818 Okay. 128.8794 131 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 128.7564 You know, 129.1303 132 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 129.4123 cause that was like three miles. 130.9507 133 PRV_int_01 131.2678 Okay. 131.6702 134 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 131.5471 You know. 131.8926 135 PRV_int_01 132.5316 How- 132.7967 136 PRV_int_01 132.7967 (pause 0.18) 132.9813 137 PRV_int_01 132.9813 how long did you have to walk? How far did you have to walk to school? 135.5272 138 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 135.5374 Um, probably 137.0690 139 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 137.0690 (pause 0.78) 137.8500 140 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 137.8500 almost 138.3754 141 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 138.3754 (pause 0.27) 138.6405 142 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 138.6405 not quite a mile, but 140.0179 143 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 140.0179 (pause 1.73) 141.7484 144 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 141.7484 probably half a mile. 142.5625 145 PRV_int_01 142.7282 Mkay. 143.0548 146 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 143.1211 You know. 143.4335 147 PRV_int_01 144.3518 Do- Is there anything that you remember the most about 146.6901 148 PRV_int_01 146.6901 (pause 0.57) 147.2628 149 PRV_int_01 147.2628 Princeville? How it used to be back then or? 149.3909 150 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 150.2287 Um, 150.7352 151 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 150.7352 (pause 0.41) 151.1423 152 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 151.1423 mem- remember the- 152.1505 153 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 152.1505 (pause 0.38) 152.5339 154 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 152.5339 this- the- the tales 153.8450 155 PRV_int_01 154.0419 Okay. 154.4726 156 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 154.5436 uh, when 155.6844 157 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 155.6844 (pause 0.10) 155.7838 158 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 155.7838 before they built the dyke 156.8393 159 PRV_int_01 156.9292 [Mm-hm.] 157.2606 160 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 157.1801 [um] 157.5919 161 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 157.7434 back when they released it to um, 159.9614 162 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 159.9614 (pause 0.18) 160.1413 163 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 160.1413 slaves, 160.7471 164 PRV_int_01 160.8465 Mm-hm. 161.2110 165 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 161.2962 um, where they got the name Freedom Hill. 163.2511 166 PRV_int_01 163.3174 Mkay. 163.7292 167 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 163.8523 And uh, they used to talk /over here/ 165.6794 168 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 165.6794 (pause 0.21) 165.8856 169 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 165.8856 many stories about how the town used to have like a hard rain, it used to flood 169.5162 170 PRV_int_01 169.6393 [Mkay.] 169.9963 171 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 169.8428 [all] the time, [so] it's been flooded, it's nothing new 172.4111 172 PRV_int_01 170.4913 [Mm-hm.] 170.7496 173 PRV_int_01 172.5341 Right. 172.8229 174 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 172.8702 except for I think there was- there was never 175.0334 175 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 175.0334 (pause 0.37) 175.4026 176 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 175.4026 to this /mass/. 176.4518 177 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 176.4518 (pause 0.18) 176.6333 178 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 176.6333 [You know?] But um, 177.4190 179 PRV_int_01 176.6428 [Yeah.] 176.9315 180 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 177.7957 they- it's nothing new to see them with water up this way 180.7683 181 PRV_int_01 180.9056 Yeah. 181.1659 182 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 181.1517 back in those days. I've heard many many tales about that. That's why you don't see a lot of houses back towards the river anymore [now because] of that. 187.1423 183 PRV_int_01 186.3707 [Okay.] 186.7210 184 PRV_int_01 187.4215 [Okay.] 187.8049 185 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 187.6440 [You know.] 187.9938 186 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 188.6191 So those- some of those tales that they used to hear- they used to tell us about [/inaudible/.] 192.1950 187 PRV_int_01 191.5944 [Yeah.] 191.9920 188 PRV_int_01 192.6642 You- you remember specific stories that your parents told you or? 196.1981 189 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 197.5329 Uh, 198.2192 190 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 198.2192 (pause 1.95) 200.1741 191 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 200.1741 that- other than that used to be 201.8119 192 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 201.8119 (pause 0.49) 202.3022 193 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 202.3022 the grocery store here at- 203.4382 194 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 203.4382 (pause 0.25) 203.6891 195 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 203.6891 right here at- right beside the fire station [sort of?] 205.8949 196 PRV_int_01 205.4689 [Okay.] 205.8854 197 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 206.4203 And it used to be a dance club on what- on two fifty eight. 209.6560 198 PRV_int_01 209.7824 /?/. 209.9800 199 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 209.9826 So it wasn't 210.4606 200 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 210.4606 (pause 0.31) 210.7683 201 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 210.7683 that many people probably in town. [At that] time, you probably were talking about 214.2454 202 PRV_int_01 212.5386 [Yeah.] 212.8226 203 PRV_int_01 214.2596 Okay. 214.5152 204 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 214.5247 five hundred people. 215.4240 205 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 215.4240 (pause 0.56) 215.9873 206 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 215.9873 Uh, 216.4938 207 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 216.4938 (pause 0.33) 216.8251 208 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 216.8251 little- little more than that? 217.9138 209 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 217.9138 (pause 0.18) 218.0937 210 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 218.0937 About a thousand or so. 219.0688 211 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 219.0688 (pause 0.67) 219.7389 212 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 219.7389 There was really nothing over here. 221.3672 213 PRV_int_01 221.5944 [Right.] 221.9400 214 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 221.6181 [Everything] was 222.2524 215 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 222.4512 across town. 223.1470 216 PRV_int_01 223.2985 [Oh okay.] 223.8665 217 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 223.4121 [So] uh, anything you really wanted to do you had to go across to town of Tarboro cause it was a small- small- just a small community 228.7872 218 PRV_int_01 228.9482 Yeah. 229.2322 219 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 229.2322 at that time, 229.9469 220 PRV_int_01 229.9801 [Oh okay.] 230.3919 221 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 230.1741 [you know.] 230.5291 222 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 230.6096 So that- that's all we had. 231.7456 223 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 231.7456 (pause 0.41) 232.1602 224 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 232.1602 It's just now is starting to expand. 233.8500 225 PRV_int_01 233.9684 Mm-hm. 234.4038 226 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 234.5364 You know, 234.9624 227 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 234.9624 (pause 0.20) 235.1659 228 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 235.1659 so it's on the rise now, but back in those days it was /different/. 238.2549 229 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 238.2549 (pause 0.78) 239.0311 230 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 239.0311 Probably just 240.4748 231 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 240.4748 (pause 0.44) 240.9198 232 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 240.9198 like I say, a thousand people in the cemetery, 242.5954 233 PRV_int_01 242.8179 [Okay.] 243.3102 234 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 242.8558 [you know], which is uh, 243.9539 235 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 244.1555 old- old cemetery [down the] street. And then so, that all was here. 247.2653 236 PRV_int_01 245.1116 [Mm-hm.] 245.4802 237 PRV_int_01 247.5493 There wasn't even the uh- the stores that we [see now?] 250.2123 238 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 249.6821 [No.] 249.9377 239 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 249.9377 (pause 0.25) 250.1886 240 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 250.1886 There were no stores on that street during- during that [time.] 253.2322 241 PRV_int_01 253.0760 [Oh okay.] 253.6014 242 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 253.6582 Th- the only store I remember was 255.2676 243 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 255.2676 (pause 0.16) 255.4312 244 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 255.4312 this one right here called 256.5673 245 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 256.5673 (pause 0.57) 257.1400 246 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 257.1400 /unintelligible/. 257.8027 247 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 257.8027 (pause 0.56) 258.3660 248 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 258.3660 Y- yeah, people called it /Benny's Store/. 260.0227 249 PRV_int_01 260.2404 [Okay.] 260.5859 250 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 260.4439 [/It was a/] real real old store. [After] the flood, he didn't- he didn't reopen after the flood. 264.4086 251 PRV_int_01 261.9851 [Oh.] 262.2407 252 PRV_int_01 264.4985 After the ninety nine? 265.7150 253 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 265.6819 Yeah, he didn't reopen, but it's the building right here beside. 268.1413 254 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 269.0453 That was the only store you had to go to. 270.6831 255 PRV_int_01 270.7588 Yeah. 271.0239 256 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 271.0760 271.8475 257 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 271.8475 (pause 0.53) 272.3777 258 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 272.3777 You know? 272.8037 259 PRV_int_01 272.6522 Uh, even for- so how'd you get around? Basically you had to go to Tarboro or? 276.4938 260 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 276.5032 Oh yeah, you uh, 277.7671 261 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 277.7671 (pause 0.44) 278.2120 262 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 278.2120 walked. 278.6712 263 PRV_int_01 279.2182 Yeah. 279.4454 264 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 279.9188 Many- /tenant/ people call it walked for a time. 282.5695 265 PRV_int_01 281.7554 [/Hella chill/.] 282.4180 266 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 282.8393 Rode bikes, 283.5446 267 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 283.5446 (pause 0.27) 283.8144 268 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 283.8144 um, 284.3824 269 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 284.3824 (pause 0.59) 284.9694 270 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 284.9694 very few people had a lot of car- [you] know, had car, you know, so you basically walked 288.8251 271 PRV_int_01 287.2583 [Yeah.] 287.5471 272 PRV_int_01 288.9624 Okay. 289.2985 273 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 289.5635 Yeah. 289.9375 274 PRV_int_01 290.0416 I remember at the town hall meeting someone mentioned a- 292.4016 275 PRV_int_01 292.4016 (pause 0.75) 293.1542 276 PRV_int_01 293.1542 Let me make sure my levels are here. 294.6689 277 PRV_int_01 294.6689 (pause 0.58) 295.2511 278 PRV_int_01 295.2511 Um, 295.7434 279 PRV_int_01 295.7434 (pause 1.93) 297.6726 280 PRV_int_01 297.6726 so uh- 297.9993 281 PRV_int_01 297.9993 (pause 0.22) 298.2170 282 PRV_int_01 298.2170 uh- 298.6051 283 PRV_int_01 298.6051 (pause 0.28) 298.8844 284 PRV_int_01 298.8844 somebody was saying there isn't a whole lot to do for- for young people. 302.2830 285 PRV_int_01 302.2830 (pause 0.40) 302.6806 286 PRV_int_01 302.6806 Uh, like on playgrounds and stuff like that. 305.0643 287 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 305.1021 No, there's uh- 306.5080 288 PRV_int_01 306.8251 [Was there-] 307.4073 289 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 306.8772 [there's not a-] 307.4121 290 PRV_int_01 308.1457 Was there a lot to do back- 309.1445 291 PRV_int_01 309.1445 (pause 0.20) 309.3460 292 PRV_int_01 309.3460 back 309.5705 293 PRV_int_01 309.5705 (pause 0.34) 309.9141 294 PRV_int_01 309.9141 [when you were growing] [up?] 310.7755 295 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 309.9614 [Nothing.] 310.4679 296 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 310.4679 (pause 0.11) 310.5767 297 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 310.5767 [Well] you know, /that's then/. [You know.] 312.6405 298 PRV_int_01 311.5944 [Okay.] 312.0914 299 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 312.7872 So we do have a tennis court 314.1363 300 PRV_int_01 314.3635 Right. 314.6333 301 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 314.6617 uh, and basketball court now that we didn't have then. 317.2583 302 PRV_int_01 317.3246 Uh-huh. 317.6938 303 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 317.9163 So there's a little bit more to do but um, 320.0889 304 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 320.0889 (pause 0.64) 320.7280 305 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 320.7280 yeah, it was- there was nothing to do. 322.0987 306 PRV_int_01 322.1791 Oh. 322.3921 307 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 322.4537 You know, there was absolutely nothing to do. You either had to go to the town of Tarboro 325.5257 308 PRV_int_01 325.6535 Mm-hm. 325.9943 309 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 325.9564 or pretty much stayed at home 327.3717 310 PRV_int_01 327.5705 [Mkay.] 327.9304 311 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 327.7720 [and] mind your own business. 328.6051 312 PRV_int_01 328.7187 [Okay (laughing).] 329.4003 313 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 329.1116 [And uh-] um- 330.5364 314 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 330.6452 but 330.8914 315 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 330.8914 (pause 0.43) 331.3221 316 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 331.3221 sad to say, but back in those days, you could 333.1046 317 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 333.1046 (pause 0.95) 334.0513 318 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 334.0513 leave your door open. 334.7945 319 PRV_int_01 334.9507 Okay. 335.3199 320 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 335.7696 And trust your neighbors [and-] and you sleep with your door open. We actually done that. 339.4596 321 PRV_int_01 336.7683 [Yeah.] 336.9908 322 PRV_int_01 339.5232 Oh okay. 340.0000 323 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 340.0087 But you can't do that now. 341.4429 324 PRV_int_01 341.6228 You- oh okay. 342.0157 325 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 341.9873 But [] 343.0381 326 PRV_int_01 342.4796 [] 343.9611 327 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 343.3695 [ you could] do- actually could- you know, could do that. 346.0000 328 PRV_int_01 346.0040 Yeah. 346.2454 329 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 346.6477 So uh, 347.2205 330 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 347.2205 (pause 0.22) 347.4382 331 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 347.4382 we do have a few little more hang out spots now. You got the grocery store on Main Street for a little bit more activity wise [than] we do in- 353.6181 332 PRV_int_01 352.9554 [Mm.] 353.2489 333 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 353.9968 heck, now you got a carwash you didn't have before. 355.9414 334 PRV_int_01 356.0085 Mkay. 356.3871 335 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 356.4581 You know, so we do have that. And we're gonna get a park 358.9412 336 PRV_int_01 359.0737 Oh okay. 359.7459 337 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 359.6938 you know, down here on um, 361.2322 338 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 361.6866 /??/ riverside, the old trailer park back there, that's where the dyke first burst? 365.0027 339 PRV_int_01 365.0359 Uh-huh. 365.3909 340 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 365.4145 They- 365.7175 341 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 365.7175 (pause 0.13) 365.8500 342 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 365.8500 They didn't bring that back but we're gonna get a park out there [sponsored] by Lowe's. 369.2297 343 PRV_int_01 368.2309 [Oh.] 368.4865 344 PRV_int_01 369.3650 Oh wow, [okay.] 370.3543 345 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 370.0182 [Yep.] 370.3637 346 PRV_int_01 370.8797 So [that's-] 371.3483 347 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 370.9849 [From the old] A and T University. 372.7283 348 PRV_int_01 373.0286 Oh wow. 373.4973 349 PRV_int_01 373.4973 (pause 0.91) 374.4061 350 PRV_int_01 374.4061 Well it sh- should be uh- 375.8498 351 PRV_int_01 375.8498 (pause 0.29) 376.1413 352 PRV_int_01 376.1413 should be a lot to do. 377.0690 353 PRV_int_01 377.0690 (pause 3.00) 380.0700 354 PRV_int_01 380.0700 Do you- so wait, 381.0735 355 PRV_int_01 381.0735 (pause 0.36) 381.4360 356 PRV_int_01 381.4360 so uh, 382.0087 357 PRV_int_01 382.0087 (pause 0.45) 382.4631 358 PRV_int_01 382.4631 when you were growing up, 383.3104 359 PRV_int_01 383.3104 (pause 0.40) 383.7128 360 PRV_int_01 383.7128 it- 384.2003 361 PRV_int_01 384.2003 (pause 0.20) 384.4038 362 PRV_int_01 384.4038 they uh- 385.0429 363 PRV_int_01 385.0429 (pause 0.78) 385.8239 364 PRV_int_01 385.8239 there wasn't a whole 386.6664 365 PRV_int_01 386.6664 (pause 0.21) 386.8747 366 PRV_int_01 386.8747 lot to do so what did- did- do you remember anything you guys used to do, get creative and to have fun around here? 392.5244 367 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 392.6712 Um, 393.3717 368 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 393.3717 (pause 1.15) 394.5247 369 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 394.5247 we just played with- well, 395.8690 370 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 395.8690 (pause 0.44) 396.3092 371 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 396.3092 Tarboro had its own park. We would go over there to uh, 398.7564 372 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 398.7564 (pause 0.22) 398.9788 373 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 398.9788 place called East Side Home. 400.1223 374 PRV_int_01 400.2407 Mkay. 400.6193 375 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 400.6525 And cause that was the closest p- place you could go to in walking distance. [And uh], we used to go there. 404.7090 376 PRV_int_01 403.5162 [Mm-hm.] 403.9138 377 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 405.0289 Most of us 405.6774 378 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 405.6774 (pause 0.39) 406.0655 379 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 406.0655 been ove- uh, 406.9915 380 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 406.9915 (pause 0.25) 407.2394 381 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 407.2394 used to go to the 407.9163 382 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 407.9163 (pause 0.73) 408.6452 383 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 408.6452 black clinic cause it's right across the bridge [cause it's] closest, 411.1776 384 PRV_int_01 410.4392 [Mm.] 410.6475 385 PRV_int_01 411.4190 [Okay.] 411.6490 386 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 411.4218 [and there was a] 411.8856 387 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 412.1744 uh, black doctor at the time and he 413.8074 388 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 413.8074 (pause 0.53) 414.3328 389 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 414.3328 was very very cheap 415.1659 390 PRV_int_01 415.5115 Okay. 415.8286 391 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 415.8097 you know, so he- 416.7185 392 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 416.9836 he looked out for us. 417.7673 393 PRV_int_01 417.8478 Oh right. 418.1933 394 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 418.2028 You know, so we- we just go to the park, uh, play on the monkey bars and 421.9801 395 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 421.9801 (pause 0.53) 422.5102 396 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 422.5102 um, 423.0735 397 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 423.0735 (pause 0.21) 423.2818 398 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 423.2818 just meet new friends. That's- play in the sand, in the dirt. Go to the pool, did a lot of swimming then. [/inaudible/] we did a lot of swimming. That's probably why we 429.5374 399 PRV_int_01 427.2559 [Okay.] 427.8097 400 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 429.9735 some good [swimmers] now. [/inaudible/ used to] do a lot of swimming. 432.5532 401 PRV_int_01 430.3427 [Yeah.] 430.5462 402 PRV_int_01 430.5462 (pause 0.48) 431.0290 403 PRV_int_01 431.0290 [Mkay (laughing).] 431.7438 404 PRV_int_01 432.6289 Ah. 432.9745 405 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 433.1780 Uh, 433.6608 406 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 433.6608 (pause 0.28) 433.9401 407 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 433.9401 played street basketball, 434.9814 408 PRV_int_01 435.0788 Oh. 435.4007 409 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 435.4007 go in people's backyard and just create our own basketball court. [You know], we just played uh, what we called sandlot football at the time, but you just 442.0161 410 PRV_int_01 437.8242 [Okay.] 438.1698 411 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 442.3285 get together and just 443.0101 412 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 443.0101 (pause 0.53) 443.5450 413 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 443.5450 throw the football and whoever get it get it. [And] sort of, throw things like that, so we really kind of enjoyed going to school. 448.7876 414 PRV_int_01 445.4289 [Uh.] 445.7791 415 PRV_int_01 448.8302 Yeah. 449.2326 416 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 449.2941 You know, cause it was 450.0514 417 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 450.0514 (pause 0.16) 450.2124 418 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 450.2124 a time where you got to uh, see new people [and]- and different people you don't see during the day cause it's like, 455.1111 419 PRV_int_01 452.3499 [Uh.] 452.6386 420 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 455.6633 you over here and they over there. 457.0739 421 PRV_int_01 457.0833 Right. 457.3673 422 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 457.4194 You know, so that's how- that's how it actually was at the time. 460.0539 423 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 460.0539 (pause 0.36) 460.4184 424 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 460.4184 I don't know remember anything about um- 461.9000 425 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 461.9000 (pause 0.99) 462.8940 426 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 462.8940 about the bussing situation, but I heard tales about it. But uh, 465.4044 427 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 465.4044 (pause 0.77) 466.1770 428 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 466.1770 yeah, I wasn't riding the bus at the time so I really wouldn't know anything about that [/?/.] 469.6703 429 PRV_int_01 469.3531 [Mm.] 469.6466 430 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 469.9638 [/But you know/] 470.4844 431 PRV_int_01 469.9780 [But you heard] tales [of-] 471.2500 432 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 470.8942 [Ooh yeah,] 471.3960 433 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 471.5522 uh, how you, 472.4941 434 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 472.4941 (pause 0.25) 472.7450 435 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 472.7450 you know, you couldn't ride the bus, 473.8770 436 PRV_int_01 474.0088 Mm. 474.3260 437 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 474.3639 you know, and- and whatnot, so I don't- but I /just/- weren't born at that time. [When I was born] you could ride the bus. 479.0054 438 PRV_int_01 477.8267 [/So-/] 478.1723 439 PRV_int_01 479.3840 [Your just talking about] the public bus- 480.5911 440 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 479.4077 [/Inaudible/] 479.8053 441 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 479.8053 (pause 0.69) 480.4964 442 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 480.4964 Right, [right, the public busses.] 481.7507 443 PRV_int_01 480.7851 [Right, not the-] 481.6040 444 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 481.9827 The s- 482.2099 445 PRV_int_01 482.1626 school [bus?] 482.8300 446 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 482.5744 [school] busses 483.2500 447 PRV_int_01 483.4386 [Oh really?] 484.0066 448 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 483.6374 [for the integrated] schools. 484.6645 449 PRV_int_01 484.6409 Oh so you had to [walk-] 485.7907 450 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 485.3793 [Yeah.] 485.6349 451 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 485.8668 [Yeah, mm-hm.] 486.5106 452 PRV_int_01 485.9378 [You could- Oh okay.] 486.7425 453 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 486.8419 [Matter] of fact, we had our own schools. 488.4229 454 PRV_int_01 486.9271 [Wow.] 487.1638 455 PRV_int_01 488.5744 Okay. 488.9246 456 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 489.1593 [You know], we had 489.7889 457 PRV_int_01 489.1877 [Yeah.] 489.4433 458 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 490.0161 uh, schools- /or/ /RD-SCHOOL-3/ then was at the all black school. 493.1827 459 PRV_int_01 493.1827 Okay. 493.5093 460 PRV_int_01 493.5093 (pause 0.20) 493.7129 461 PRV_int_01 493.7129 Now [you went] to a all black school? 495.0004 462 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 493.8312 [/Yeah./] 494.0774 463 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 495.0220 No I didn't. [When I] went it was integrated. 496.7356 464 PRV_int_01 495.6705 [Oh.] 495.9403 465 PRV_int_01 495.9403 (pause 0.78) 496.7214 466 PRV_int_01 496.7214 Okay. [So by the] time you went to [school-] 498.3686 467 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 497.0148 [/Back then/.] 497.5118 468 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 497.5118 (pause 0.70) 498.2076 469 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 498.2076 [Mm-hm.] It was [already integrated.] 499.4620 470 PRV_int_01 498.8609 [uh-] 499.3200 471 PRV_int_01 499.6561 Okay. 500.0016 472 PRV_int_01 500.0016 (pause 1.00) 500.9984 473 PRV_int_01 500.9984 Do you remember any um- 502.2101 474 PRV_int_01 502.2101 (pause 0.32) 502.5273 475 PRV_int_01 502.5273 502.6456 476 PRV_int_01 502.6456 (pause 0.43) 503.0716 477 PRV_int_01 503.0716 anything about going to school? Uh, the- was there any like tension or any- any s- 507.9214 478 PRV_int_01 507.9214 (pause 0.31) 508.2291 479 PRV_int_01 508.2291 anything- 508.8965 480 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 509.1000 I couldn't tell. 510.0467 481 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 510.0467 (pause 0.20) 510.2455 482 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 510.2455 Um, 510.7141 483 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 510.7141 (pause 0.22) 510.9319 484 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 510.9319 my first school that I went to was the uh, af- elementary- /was/ /RD-SCHOOL-3/ which I walked to school there which was only probably a hundred yards 516.8561 485 PRV_int_01 516.7993 Mm-hm. 517.2443 486 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 517.2490 from my house. 517.8786 487 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 517.8786 (pause 0.12) 517.9969 488 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 517.9969 So, uh, I don't remember- 519.7699 489 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 519.7699 (pause 0.56) 520.3285 490 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 520.3285 I can't remember any- treated any different 522.3707 491 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 522.3707 (pause 0.49) 522.8609 492 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 522.8609 you know, cause we all played 523.9969 493 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 523.9969 (pause 0.39) 524.3878 494 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 524.3878 together, so I [don't remember] anything. And at that age I probably wouldn't have cared. 527.6870 495 PRV_int_01 525.2256 [Okay.] 525.5901 496 PRV_int_01 527.8574 Right? 528.1934 497 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 528.1272 You know, [] I probably wouldn't have noticed it, [so] 530.2241 498 PRV_int_01 528.3544 [] 528.8088 499 PRV_int_01 528.8088 (pause 1.20) 530.0064 500 PRV_int_01 530.0064 [Sure.] 530.3708 501 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 530.6832 um, 531.1404 502 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 531.1404 (pause 0.25) 531.3913 503 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 531.3913 but as I got older I started to realize that 533.6586 504 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 533.6586 (pause 0.71) 534.3639 505 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 534.3639 you know, we were different. 535.3815 506 PRV_int_01 535.5661 Yeah. 535.8738 507 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 535.8359 And, you know, and we were treated different. 537.8358 508 PRV_int_01 537.7936 Really. 538.1533 509 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 538.2291 You know? But uh, you know, that's 539.9142 510 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 539.9142 (pause 0.35) 540.2597 511 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 540.2597 how they would deal with it. 541.2253 512 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 541.2253 (pause 0.26) 541.4809 513 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 541.4809 [You know what I] mean, /I mean/ we still treated different though. 543.5948 514 PRV_int_01 541.5661 [Yeah.] 541.8833 515 PRV_int_01 543.7179 Sure. 544.0871 516 PRV_int_01 544.0871 (pause 0.96) 545.0480 517 PRV_int_01 545.0480 Do you have any experiences you remember from- 547.2537 518 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 547.6229 Um, 548.1484 519 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 548.1484 (pause 0.85) 549.0031 520 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 549.0031 not directly 550.0539 521 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 550.0539 (pause 0.36) 550.4137 522 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 550.4137 but 550.7640 523 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 550.7640 (pause 1.10) 551.8621 524 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 551.8621 I felt- that's my own personal feelings 553.7933 525 PRV_int_01 553.9117 Mm-hm. 554.2762 526 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 554.2572 of what I could see what would just be 555.7699 527 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 556.3758 here say 556.9202 528 PRV_int_01 557.0811 [Yeah.] 557.3982 529 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 557.1142 [because] it could have been my thoughts. 558.9109 530 PRV_int_01 558.9745 Right. 559.2679 531 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 559.3626 But I have never been 560.5629 532 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 560.5629 (pause 0.44) 560.9984 533 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 560.9984 I never been 561.8788 534 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 561.8788 (pause 0.16) 562.0350 535 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 562.0350 called a name 562.6172 536 PRV_int_01 562.8302 Oh really? 563.3120 537 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 563.2420 that I can remember. Never had a name called. I've heard it, 565.4620 538 PRV_int_01 565.6466 Yeah. 565.8880 539 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 566.1010 you know, and- and everything, but I never actually been called a name. I guess cause I was sort of a friendly guy. 570.3875 540 PRV_int_01 570.4633 Mkay. 570.8135 541 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 570.8183 You know, so (laughing) 571.5377 542 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 571.5377 (pause 0.33) 571.8691 543 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 571.8691 I sort of stayed- 572.7542 544 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 572.7542 (pause 0.85) 573.5995 545 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 573.5995 treated everybody the same, mind my own business. 575.2610 546 PRV_int_01 575.4077 Yeah. 575.6964 547 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 575.8242 You know, so I got along with everybody so I followed by example- /?/ a lot of name calling. 579.9640 548 PRV_int_01 580.2054 [Sure.] 580.4941 549 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 580.2953 [But I] do- I did hear of some being called a n- 582.7141 550 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 583.1780 whatnot, and I did participate in uh, 585.2871 551 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 585.2871 (pause 0.80) 586.0871 552 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 586.0871 some of the school- We did have one incident when I was in that- at high school where we done felt that black students was being 591.8315 553 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 591.8315 (pause 0.50) 592.3332 554 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 592.3332 treated different because it seemed like there was more blacks being suspended 595.8549 555 PRV_int_01 596.3472 Mm. 596.5649 556 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 596.6170 than there were 597.2777 557 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 597.2777 (pause 0.24) 597.5143 558 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 597.5143 whites, 597.9212 559 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 597.9212 (pause 0.15) 598.0681 560 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 598.0681 so um, 598.6693 561 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 598.6693 (pause 0.20) 598.8728 562 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 598.8728 we had a protest about that. 600.6053 563 PRV_int_01 600.6147 Oh wow. 601.0455 564 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 601.1117 And got some results 602.3661 565 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 602.3661 (pause 0.27) 602.6386 566 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 602.6386 behind that. 603.2682 567 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 603.2682 (pause 0.24) 603.5096 568 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 603.5096 Uh, so that said, that's- 604.9296 569 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 604.9296 (pause 0.33) 605.2562 570 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 605.2562 that one event I just can't seem to get out of my head. [] 608.1105 571 PRV_int_01 607.1259 [Yeah, okay.] 608.1436 572 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 608.2383 You know, 608.6312 573 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 608.6312 (pause 0.23) 608.8611 574 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 608.8611 [So,] 609.3013 575 PRV_int_01 608.8753 [Totally.] 609.3865 576 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 609.5759 I didn't really know what I was participating in but I knew when I [got there what] the rally was all [about. You know], so I didn't- I weren't 615.2635 577 PRV_int_01 612.1414 [] 612.6337 578 PRV_int_01 612.6337 (pause 0.89) 613.5283 579 PRV_int_01 613.5283 [Mkay.] 614.0632 580 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 615.4717 the ring leader or [anything, but uh], the ring leader is- is- has passed on now, but 619.2490 581 PRV_int_01 616.4089 [Y- yeah.] 617.0338 582 PRV_int_01 619.3153 Yeah. 619.5567 583 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 619.6845 uh, things changed after that [though.] 621.3155 584 PRV_int_01 621.1025 [Okay.] 621.5617 585 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 622.1486 Yeah, things changes after that. 623.5118 586 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 623.5118 (pause 0.54) 624.0514 587 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 624.0514 Uh, 624.6479 588 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 624.6479 (pause 0.42) 625.0691 589 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 625.0691 I don't re- I do remember 626.7948 590 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 626.7948 (pause 0.74) 627.5333 591 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 627.5333 that main street store, so I can't remember that a little bit [there-] 630.4112 592 PRV_int_01 630.1698 [Mm.] 630.4349 593 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 630.8230 there was 631.3863 594 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 631.3863 (pause 0.64) 632.0300 595 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 632.0300 stores that was black only, a store that was white only. 634.5131 596 PRV_int_01 634.4989 Mkay. 635.0148 597 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 635.0669 And I do remember that. 636.1272 598 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 636.1272 (pause 0.57) 636.6999 599 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 636.6999 Just enough to know that I can remember you know, what corner it was on but I don't remember going in 640.5036 600 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 640.5036 (pause 0.57) 641.0764 601 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 641.0764 uh, 641.6728 602 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 641.6728 (pause 0.44) 642.1130 603 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 642.1130 certain kind of doors because of that. [/I don't/] remember [seeing any] signs that said Blacks and White. They were there, I don't remember seeing 'em. 647.7769 604 PRV_int_01 643.6939 [Mm-hm.] 644.1453 605 PRV_int_01 644.1453 (pause 0.29) 644.4304 606 PRV_int_01 644.4304 [Right.] 644.6623 607 PRV_int_01 644.6623 (pause 3.06) 647.7248 608 PRV_int_01 647.7248 Sure. 648.1508 609 PRV_int_01 648.2739 [Sure.] 648.7331 610 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 648.3023 [You know.] 648.7236 611 PRV_int_01 649.0265 Okay. 649.4387 612 PRV_int_01 649.4387 (pause 0.93) 650.3708 613 PRV_int_01 650.3708 Now uh, so do you- now did you- have you- once- you moved- /said/ you moved here when you were about ten or twelve? [You been here] ever since? [And lived in Princeville?] 656.9294 614 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 654.9035 [Mm-hm.] 655.3437 615 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 655.3437 (pause 0.67) 656.0111 616 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 656.0111 [Yes sir.] 656.6122 617 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 657.2966 I've been here ever since then and um, 658.9154 618 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 658.9154 (pause 1.09) 660.0041 619 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 660.0041 first joined 660.6100 620 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 660.6100 (pause 0.53) 661.1449 621 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 661.1449 the fire department, got entered in them in like, around nineteen eighty one. 664.0918 622 PRV_int_01 664.4042 Okay. 664.7545 623 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 664.8444 So I've been here since eighty one. 666.2550 624 PRV_int_01 666.3781 Oh [okay.] 667.0029 625 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 666.8372 [You know] so but my /entry/ was in the town long before that. [Uh], because like I said, we played sports together. 672.1177 626 PRV_int_01 669.7037 [Yeah.] 670.0539 627 PRV_int_01 672.2313 Oh okay. 672.7804 628 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 672.6999 Because when the school was integrated, we came 674.5554 629 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 674.9152 to the same school. [Whether you] stayed in Tarboro or Princeville, you [all] connected 678.1650 630 PRV_int_01 675.6279 [Mm-hm.] 675.9214 631 PRV_int_01 675.9214 (pause 1.35) 677.2704 632 PRV_int_01 677.2704 [Yeah.] 677.4929 633 PRV_int_01 678.2502 [Sure.] 678.6100 634 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 678.4065 [be at] the same school. 679.2679 635 PRV_int_01 679.3531 Yeah. 679.6703 636 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 679.7413 So um, 680.4939 637 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 680.4939 (pause 0.69) 681.1877 638 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 681.1877 I used to walk from 682.2575 639 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 682.2575 (pause 0.37) 682.6267 640 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 682.6267 my house to Princeville 684.1840 641 PRV_int_01 684.3497 Oh [okay.] 684.7804 642 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 684.6526 [to] play sports with some of the guys I knew 686.5771 643 PRV_int_01 686.6623 Yeah. 686.9747 644 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 687.0315 that went to school- went in- here in Princeville and played uh, sandlot football at the [school and everything], so. 691.8644 645 PRV_int_01 690.6810 [Sure.] 691.3200 646 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 692.3424 I do remember those things. Just- 693.6895 647 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 693.6895 (pause 0.32) 694.0066 648 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 694.0066 Only thing I can positively remember 695.6302 649 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 695.6302 (pause 0.18) 695.8100 650 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 695.8100 uh, is that we- I played. 697.8170 651 PRV_int_01 698.2052 Yeah. 698.4418 652 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 698.4777 You know? I mean, I was a playing type guy so it- it- it didn't really- it didn't really matter to me. 702.6621 653 PRV_int_01 702.8277 Yeah. 703.0975 654 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 703.1780 You know. 703.5093 655 PRV_int_01 703.9685 And when did you uh, 704.8773 656 PRV_int_01 704.8773 (pause 0.63) 705.5049 657 PRV_int_01 705.5049 you start- you- 706.1675 658 PRV_int_01 706.1675 (pause 0.20) 706.3711 659 PRV_int_01 706.3711 you graduated from high school and then 708.1130 660 PRV_int_01 708.1130 (pause 0.45) 708.5674 661 PRV_int_01 708.5674 when did you decide to uh, 710.0300 662 PRV_int_01 710.0300 (pause 0.24) 710.2667 663 PRV_int_01 710.2667 become a firefighter? 711.1316 664 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 711.5711 Um, 712.1723 665 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 712.1723 (pause 0.42) 712.5888 666 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 712.5888 I actually became a firefighter 713.9615 667 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 713.9615 (pause 0.67) 714.6289 668 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 714.6289 uh, 715.2490 669 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 715.2490 (pause 0.97) 716.2146 670 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 716.2146 in nineteen eighty one 717.4197 671 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 717.4197 (pause 0.46) 717.8835 672 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 717.8835 uh, 718.5083 673 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 718.5083 (pause 0.44) 718.9438 674 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 718.9438 actually the- 719.6964 675 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 719.6964 (pause 0.17) 719.8668 676 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 719.8668 June of nineteen eighty one 721.0502 677 PRV_int_01 721.1259 Mkay. 721.4431 678 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 721.6371 and been here ever since. 722.7779 679 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 722.7779 (pause 0.71) 723.4907 680 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 723.4907 So uh, always had a interest in 725.4692 681 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 725.4692 (pause 0.54) 726.0088 682 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 726.0088 helping people. 726.6289 683 PRV_int_01 726.7757 Yeah. 727.0313 684 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 727.1117 You know, I said one day I either wanna be a fireman or a police officer. 729.9261 685 PRV_int_01 730.1723 [Oh yeah.] 730.5424 686 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 730.3143 [So] uh, 730.8539 687 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 731.2894 uh, 731.6254 688 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 731.6254 (pause 0.18) 731.8053 689 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 731.8053 became a volunteer fireman 733.0691 690 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 733.0691 (pause 0.22) 733.2916 691 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 733.2916 um, 733.8028 692 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 733.8028 (pause 0.85) 734.6481 693 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 734.6481 and I know uh- I do remember that night I became that 737.6964 694 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 737.6964 (pause 0.15) 737.8479 695 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 737.8479 and it was a 738.2834 696 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 738.2834 (pause 0.32) 738.6005 697 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 738.6005 enjoyable night and I just 740.3519 698 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 740.3519 (pause 0.18) 740.5345 699 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 740.5345 seeing if I could come by and saw what they did 742.9012 700 PRV_int_01 743.0480 [Okay.] 743.3414 701 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 743.2089 [and] said, well I would like to do that cause /I'm/ out there tryna help people. 746.0882 702 PRV_int_01 746.2099 Yeah. 746.4418 703 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 746.3546 So I said that's- that sort of caught my interest. 748.4705 704 PRV_int_01 748.4752 Oh. 748.7024 705 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 748.8255 And then, see and hear tales about how this 751.1827 706 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 751.1827 (pause 0.19) 751.3721 707 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 751.3721 fire department was struggling 752.5119 708 PRV_int_01 752.6434 Mm-hm. 752.9889 709 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 753.1262 uh, 753.5759 710 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 753.5759 (pause 0.56) 754.1344 711 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 754.1344 but at the mean time, you had to put 755.6065 712 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 755.6065 (pause 0.58) 756.1887 713 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 756.1887 money 756.6857 714 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 756.6857 (pause 0.61) 757.2963 715 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 757.2963 out of our pocket into the truck just to put fuel into the truck. 760.0665 716 PRV_int_01 760.1723 Wow. Okay. 760.7261 717 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 760.6598 You know, so 761.4929 718 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 761.7674 I said well, 762.4065 719 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 762.4065 (pause 0.39) 762.7993 720 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 762.7993 uh, I could be a part of that, [you know (laughing).] 764.8489 721 PRV_int_01 764.2884 [Yeah.] 764.8469 722 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 765.2871 So that's- that's 766.0871 723 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 766.0871 (pause 0.22) 766.3095 724 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 766.3095 when I first became interested was in nineteen eighty one. 768.5153 725 PRV_int_01 768.7662 You said you saw- you saw a house burn down or? 771.0788 726 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 771.1641 Well I saw /a/ 772.5367 727 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 772.5367 (pause 0.32) 772.8539 728 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 772.8539 they came- 773.4456 729 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 773.4456 (pause 0.28) 773.7248 730 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 773.7248 had a fire- 774.5579 731 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 774.5579 (pause 0.13) 774.6905 732 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 774.6905 uh, small fire at my house, at my residence. 776.8138 733 PRV_int_01 776.8942 Oh. 777.1972 734 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 777.2966 [And um,] 777.9451 735 PRV_int_01 777.3227 [Okay.] 777.6971 736 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 778.2196 uh, it was nothing to it, it was a small fire and it [kind of]- 780.8041 737 PRV_int_01 780.4065 [Mm-hm.] 780.6763 738 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 781.6182 the response time was pretty 782.8043 739 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 782.8043 (pause 0.22) 783.0268 740 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 783.0268 poor. 783.2777 741 PRV_int_01 783.5427 Yeah. 783.8125 742 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 784.1770 And that 784.6030 743 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 784.6030 (pause 0.37) 784.9722 744 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 784.9722 made me a little upset and wanted to know what- why. 787.2963 745 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 787.2963 (pause 0.12) 787.4194 746 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 787.4194 And uh, uh, luckily we was able to put it out ourselves but that 790.1817 747 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 790.1817 (pause 0.71) 790.8965 748 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 790.8965 made me start looking into it more. [And-] and that's when I really start realizing 794.6406 749 PRV_int_01 792.7520 [Yeah.] 793.0265 750 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 795.5191 the word volunteer fireman 796.7782 751 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 796.7782 (pause 0.44) 797.2184 752 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 797.2184 meant [volunteer.] 798.1603 753 PRV_int_01 797.6491 [Volunteer.] 798.3260 754 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 798.3923 You know? [] You know, 799.9969 755 PRV_int_01 798.7378 [Right. ] 799.7507 756 PRV_int_01 800.2336 [Yeah.] 800.4702 757 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 800.2714 [so] sitting there waiting on- you could hear the fire whistle from here from my house. 803.5592 758 PRV_int_01 803.6207 Yeah. 803.9568 759 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 803.9378 And I could hear the fire whistle constantly blowing, 805.8786 760 PRV_int_01 805.8644 Yeah. 806.1484 761 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 806.1815 and I wanted to know well where's the fire truck? 807.7822 762 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 807.7822 (pause 0.27) 808.0492 763 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 808.0492 You know, so um, uh, luckily it was nothing major and I- I- I appreciate that but 813.1518 764 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 813.1518 (pause 0.28) 813.4339 765 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 813.4339 if it- 813.8220 766 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 813.8220 (pause 0.18) 813.9971 767 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 813.9971 Those were the days were really you 815.5402 768 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 815.5402 (pause 0.36) 815.9047 769 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 815.9047 you either heard the fire whistle or you didn't hear it. 817.4799 770 PRV_int_01 817.5851 Mm. 817.7933 771 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 817.8786 And if you didn't hear it as a fireman, you probably 820.1077 772 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 820.1077 (pause 0.16) 820.2669 773 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 820.2669 didn't respond. 820.9438 774 PRV_int_01 821.0669 Yeah. 821.3651 775 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 821.6964 You know, so our response time back in those days was extremely poor. 824.3898 776 PRV_int_01 824.5866 Mm. 824.9605 777 PRV_int_01 824.9605 (pause 0.26) 825.2209 778 PRV_int_01 825.2209 Mm. 825.3960 779 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 825.4291 You know. 825.7179 780 PRV_int_01 826.0350 Hm. 826.2669 781 PRV_int_01 826.2669 (pause 0.24) 826.5083 782 PRV_int_01 826.5083 But it made you wanna kind of turn [that] around? 828.3071 783 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 827.8195 [Yeah.] 828.0846 784 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 828.3118 You know, try to see if I could help. 829.9638 785 PRV_int_01 830.0726 Yeah. 830.3945 786 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 830.5412 You know, and- and whatnot. So that really caught my interest then. 833.4929 787 PRV_int_01 833.6112 [Okay.] 834.1887 788 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 833.7154 [And I think] was only 834.6763 789 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 835.6892 a couple years later, 836.8489 790 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 836.8489 (pause 0.61) 837.4575 791 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 837.4575 maybe two to three years later, that's when I joined. 839.2941 792 PRV_int_01 839.4361 Mkay. 839.9047 793 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 839.9852 You know, so that's when I- I 841.5330 794 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 841.5330 (pause 0.22) 841.7555 795 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 841.7555 kind of joined, say well maybe I can offer them some kind of assistant /which/ volunteer. 845.2799 796 PRV_int_01 845.3556 Yeah. 845.5876 797 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 845.7390 You know, so I knew coming in that we weren't gonna get paid. 847.9874 798 PRV_int_01 848.1152 Mm-hm. 848.4892 799 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 848.5838 And the word volunteer 849.7889 800 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 849.7889 (pause 0.17) 849.9593 801 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 849.9593 firemen 850.3900 802 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 850.3900 (pause 0.50) 850.8870 803 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 850.8870 does not- did not sit real good with people. [You can say] no pay, 853.9002 804 PRV_int_01 852.9035 [Right.] 853.2963 805 PRV_int_01 854.0706 Right. 854.3830 806 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 854.4824 but that don't sit real good [with people.] 855.9214 807 PRV_int_01 855.4007 [Sure.] So everyone here is a volunteer? 857.3367 808 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 857.4787 Oh yeah, everyone here is [volunteer.] 859.2632 809 PRV_int_01 858.9934 [And] so they all have day jobs and- 860.6609 810 PRV_int_01 861.5285 and then they uh- 862.2622 811 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 862.5557 Uh, well if you're volunteer you never have a day off. 865.1354 812 PRV_int_01 865.3200 Well, 865.6939 813 PRV_int_01 865.6939 (pause 0.16) 865.8502 814 PRV_int_01 865.8502 you never have a day off? 866.6880 815 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 866.6643 No. 866.9152 816 PRV_int_01 866.8990 Oh okay. 867.4577 817 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 867.4149 It's all volunteer. So that means that if you're busy, you're just busy. 870.7283 818 PRV_int_01 870.9129 Mm. 871.3058 819 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 871.3058 But if you can come, when it- 872.9578 820 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 873.3676 when the tone go off, uh, you can come, you come, if you can't, you can't. 876.4785 821 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 876.4785 (pause 0.13) 876.6086 822 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 876.6086 It doesn't mean I can't go 878.0081 823 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 878.0081 (pause 0.13) 878.1353 824 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 878.1353 out of town because I'm a volunteer fireman, just that you have to 881.0196 825 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 881.0196 (pause 0.42) 881.4408 826 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 881.4408 put trust that 882.2550 827 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 882.2550 (pause 0.32) 882.5721 828 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 882.5721 you have enough of 'em 883.6182 829 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 883.6182 (pause 0.23) 883.8502 830 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 883.8502 to respond in case of an emergency. 885.3534 831 PRV_int_01 885.4623 Oh really? [Okay.] 886.3190 832 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 885.8599 [Yeah and the] whole county's like that. 887.3225 833 PRV_int_01 887.4740 Really? 887.8810 834 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 887.9047 Yep. 888.2029 835 PRV_int_01 888.2266 Wow. 888.5816 836 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 888.5863 Yep. 888.9224 837 PRV_int_01 889.5330 So you- so 890.3708 838 PRV_int_01 890.3708 (pause 0.18) 890.5534 839 PRV_int_01 890.5534 you try and make sure somebody's here at all times or at least people are- 894.3828 840 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 894.4822 We try to keep enough on the roster to make sure that- 896.8205 841 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 896.8205 (pause 0.23) 897.0504 842 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 897.0504 Well the dedication that you have- It's all about dedication. 899.2894 843 PRV_int_01 899.2799 Yeah. 899.5970 844 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 899.6302 You know, you can have fifty 900.5816 845 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 900.5816 (pause 0.25) 900.8325 846 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 900.8325 but they're not dedicated, /I could have a one/. 902.3472 847 PRV_int_01 902.4777 Right. 902.8942 848 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 903.0552 You know, so if you have 904.4610 849 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 904.4610 (pause 0.23) 904.6882 850 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 904.6882 uh, dedicated people, 905.8384 851 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 905.8384 (pause 0.53) 906.3639 852 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 906.3639 somebody's usually around. You know, we- I communicate good with my assistant 909.7605 853 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 909.7605 (pause 0.39) 910.1486 854 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 910.1486 uh, chief and captain to make sure they know if I'm out of town and they let me know if they're out of town so 914.7353 855 PRV_int_01 914.7854 [Mm-hm.] 915.1248 856 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 914.9700 [communication] is very important. 916.2054 857 PRV_int_01 916.5320 Yeah. 916.8634 858 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 916.9249 Let people know where you are. 917.9520 859 PRV_int_01 919.2537 Yeah, when- how many fires have you had? 921.2114 860 PRV_int_01 921.2114 (pause 0.22) 921.4339 861 PRV_int_01 921.4339 Did you have a lot- have you had a lot of fires? 922.9722 862 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 923.4976 Uh, 924.0230 863 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 924.0230 (pause 0.29) 924.3165 864 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 924.3165 we get 924.9177 865 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 924.9177 (pause 0.62) 925.5377 866 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 925.5377 a lot- we get more fire calls than any fire department in the county. 928.2101 867 PRV_int_01 928.2480 Oh wow. 928.7166 868 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 928.9391 And uh, we get 929.9899 869 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 929.9899 (pause 0.33) 930.3165 870 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 930.3165 probably EMS calls, which we, uh, /??/ respond 933.6753 871 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 933.6753 (pause 0.33) 934.0066 872 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 934.0066 toll free and first responder now- we go on first responder [level,] 936.8609 873 PRV_int_01 936.7864 [Mm-hm.] 937.1827 874 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 937.4289 so we probably get 938.4418 875 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 938.4418 (pause 0.52) 938.9605 876 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 938.9605 three times as many 939.7936 877 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 939.7936 (pause 0.23) 940.0208 878 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 940.0208 those call ins, as we do fire calls. 941.6680 879 PRV_int_01 941.6538 Oh wow (laughing). 942.1035 880 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 942.2597 [] 943.1070 881 PRV_int_01 942.4775 [Okay.] 942.9035 882 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 943.3058 943.5377 883 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 943.5377 (pause 0.38) 943.9212 884 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 943.9212 So the fire calls is- 945.0694 885 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 945.0694 (pause 0.55) 945.6232 886 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 945.6232 we have our months 946.6125 887 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 946.6125 (pause 0.15) 946.7640 888 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 946.7640 where we're extremely busy 947.8195 889 PRV_int_01 947.8384 Yeah. 948.0893 890 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 948.0751 and we have our months when we 949.3673 891 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 949.6892 pretty quiet. 950.3614 892 PRV_int_01 950.7049 So you do like EMS type stuff? 952.3048 893 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 952.2953 Mm-hm, we do EMS. We just don't transport. We just do first responder, things [like that.] 956.0064 894 PRV_int_01 955.4762 [Oh okay.] 955.8454 895 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 956.3708 Help get down there 957.3629 896 PRV_int_01 957.4717 [Someone's got-] 958.2104 897 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 957.7321 [bring the aid] for 'em. [Exactly.] 959.1994 898 PRV_int_01 958.6314 [Yeah.] 958.9770 899 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 959.8905 And uh, 960.4254 900 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 960.4254 (pause 0.44) 960.8609 901 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 960.8609 we have a outstanding response time now 963.3392 902 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 963.3392 (pause 0.27) 963.6043 903 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 963.6043 /when/ we [used] to have a response time has uh, increased tremendously. 966.3781 904 PRV_int_01 963.7652 [Really?] 964.0019 905 PRV_int_01 966.7520 Okay. 967.1496 906 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 967.1733 We have guys now that spend the night down here. 969.3043 907 PRV_int_01 969.5901 Yeah. 969.8599 908 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 969.9214 You know, it- but it's not mandatory. It's just- 971.4550 909 PRV_int_01 971.4361 Sure. 971.7485 910 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 971.8100 i- they have nothing else to do. 973.0265 911 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 973.0265 (pause 0.31) 973.3342 912 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 973.3342 Those are the ones don't have a wife /in their house/ (laughing). [] Those are the 977.1410 913 PRV_int_01 975.3865 [Right. ] 976.2764 914 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 977.4882 eighteen and nineteen year old ones that can do [that. ] Married men don't do that. 981.7321 915 PRV_int_01 979.3247 [Okay.] 979.9874 916 PRV_int_01 982.0208 So it's uh- it- there's a age limit? Is there- 983.9378 917 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 983.9615 Yeah you have to be at least eighteen years of age to be a fireman but you can join at 987.9593 918 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 987.9593 (pause 0.65) 988.6125 919 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 988.6125 sixteen if you're a junior firefighter. [But you] can't participate in firefighting 992.0998 920 PRV_int_01 990.2124 [Oh wow.] 990.5816 921 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 992.4134 unless your department /???/ allows it, ours don't allow it. 995.3036 922 PRV_int_01 996.2029 So you have uh- 997.1591 923 PRV_int_01 997.1591 (pause 0.53) 997.6939 924 PRV_int_01 997.6939 do you- so most of your calls are for what? Things like 1000.3143 925 PRV_int_01 1000.3143 (pause 0.37) 1000.6882 926 PRV_int_01 1000.6882 uh, 1001.0953 927 PRV_int_01 1001.0953 (pause 0.35) 1001.4456 928 PRV_int_01 1001.4456 health related things? Somebody having a heart attack or something like that [or?] 1004.5462 929 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1004.2762 [/?/] most of 'em are uh, 1005.8626 930 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1006.0445 heart attacks, um, 1007.7248 931 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1007.7248 (pause 0.21) 1007.9378 932 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1007.9378 /??/ calls, [uh], difficulty breathing, get a lot of difficulty breathing 1011.6516 933 PRV_int_01 1009.0313 [Mm-hm.] 1009.3910 934 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1012.1202 uh calls now. So most of 'em are EMS calls. 1014.9934 935 PRV_int_01 1016.0821 So get like a- a lot of uh, elderly uh, 1018.9675 936 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1018.9770 Yeah. 1019.2610 937 PRV_int_01 1019.2042 /??/ [community-] 1019.9568 938 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1019.7012 [Middle age] to elderly people uh, 1021.6797 939 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1022.5270 sometime not taking their medication or can't afford to get their medication or 1025.9568 940 PRV_int_01 1025.9284 Yeah. 1026.2834 941 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1026.2124 get a lot of calls 1027.0265 942 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1027.4999 uh, 1027.9732 943 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1027.9732 (pause 0.17) 1028.1436 944 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1028.1436 routinely to the same resident 1029.5569 945 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1029.5569 (pause 0.26) 1029.8125 946 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1029.8125 a lot of times. So you almost- when you hear the address on the radio you already know who [it is roughly.] 1034.3377 947 PRV_int_01 1033.5709 [Who it is.] 1034.1626 948 PRV_int_01 1034.4493 Yeah. 1034.8374 949 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1034.8516 So 1035.2303 950 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1035.2303 (pause 0.19) 1035.4197 951 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1035.4197 uh, 1035.8220 952 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1035.8220 (pause 0.44) 1036.2622 953 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1036.2622 /we do do all that/. See we're in a- we're in a neutral location, which allow us to run mutual aid for every fire department in the county except for 1043.3320 954 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1043.3320 (pause 0.69) 1044.0183 955 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1044.0183 section thirteen, I believe is /unintelligible/. 1046.0916 956 PRV_int_01 1046.2383 Oh. 1046.5223 957 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1046.6481 So that's one of the reason why we get more calls than any fire department cause we always assisting [somebody else.] 1050.5579 958 PRV_int_01 1050.1934 [Oh okay], so you helping other 1051.5756 959 PRV_int_01 1051.7318 [people out] in Tarboro and other [surrounding] places. 1054.1912 960 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1051.8955 [Right.] 1052.2126 961 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1052.2126 (pause 1.29) 1053.5001 962 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1053.5001 [Mm-hm.] 1053.8504 963 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1053.8504 (pause 0.30) 1054.1486 964 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1054.1486 We help everybody but one other fire department in the [whole county.] 1056.2692 965 PRV_int_01 1055.7864 [Okay.] Oh wow. 1056.6715 966 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1056.7567 [Yeah.] 1057.1165 967 PRV_int_01 1056.9224 [Okay], so yeah, that'll keep you busy. 1058.5128 968 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1058.5176 Oh [yeah. It keep us-] 1059.4670 969 PRV_int_01 1058.7759 [] 1059.4197 970 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1059.7889 /?/ on our toes. 1060.7326 971 PRV_int_01 1060.7261 Okay. 1061.2468 972 PRV_int_01 1062.1366 /??/ 1062.7047 973 PRV_int_01 1062.7047 (pause 1.30) 1064.0016 974 PRV_int_01 1064.0016 Do you um- 1064.6738 975 PRV_int_01 1064.6738 (pause 1.00) 1065.6705 976 PRV_int_01 1065.6705 do you remember- now I know it's- i- 1067.6728 977 PRV_int_01 1067.6728 (pause 0.39) 1068.0656 978 PRV_int_01 1068.0656 Princeville is on a- a- like a- on a flood plain, [is that?] 1071.7037 979 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1071.2966 [Mm-hm.] 1071.7699 980 PRV_int_01 1071.9545 And that- until 1072.7829 981 PRV_int_01 1072.7829 (pause 0.24) 1073.0196 982 PRV_int_01 1073.0196 there was a levy built in uh, or the- 1075.1165 983 PRV_int_01 1075.1165 (pause 0.81) 1075.9259 984 PRV_int_01 1075.9259 in the like, sixties? 1077.3278 985 PRV_int_01 1077.3278 (pause 0.22) 1077.5522 986 PRV_int_01 1077.5522 That's what I heard? 1078.2338 987 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1078.5746 Uh, 1079.0811 988 PRV_int_01 1079.0196 The- 1079.3840 989 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1079.7722 the dyke. 1080.2029 990 PRV_int_01 1080.1840 The dyke [there.] 1080.9129 991 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1080.6621 [Mm-hm.] 1081.1117 992 PRV_int_01 1081.2537 [Yeah.] 1081.5377 993 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1081.3342 [In the early] sixties wont it? 1082.3850 994 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1083.4291 Cause they extend it since the flood. They raised it another so many feet since the flood. [Cause you have] uh- it was there, uh, put there in the sixties. 1090.2243 995 PRV_int_01 1087.3768 [Right.] 1087.6845 996 PRV_int_01 1087.6845 (pause 2.45) 1090.1391 997 PRV_int_01 1090.1391 Mm-hm. 1090.4941 998 misc 1091.0243 /Inaudible/. 1091.3840 999 PRV_int_01 1091.5402 And do you remember any other floods before that? 1093.6466 1000 misc 1093.7223 Andrew, 1094.0726 1001 misc 1094.0726 (pause 0.22) 1094.2951 1002 misc 1094.2951 think it was in the seventies. 1095.2500 1003 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1095.5711 The dyke was built in the seventies? 1096.6929 1004 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1096.6929 (pause 0.20) 1096.8965 1005 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1096.8965 Okay. 1097.3414 1006 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1097.3414 (pause 0.98) 1098.3260 1007 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1098.3260 I don't remember any other flood other than just 1100.2809 1008 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1100.2809 (pause 0.43) 1100.7069 1009 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1100.7069 low level floods, 1101.6843 1010 PRV_int_01 1101.6753 Okay. 1101.9423 1011 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1101.8315 you know, where you 1102.4752 1012 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1102.6219 could walk in it, 1103.4124 1013 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1103.4124 (pause 0.20) 1103.6112 1014 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1103.6112 [where] it would be sometime like almost knee high, 1105.9042 1015 PRV_int_01 1103.6112 [Mm.] 1103.8668 1016 PRV_int_01 1106.0206 Mm-hm. 1106.3850 1017 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1106.4040 but 1106.6501 1018 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1106.6501 (pause 0.25) 1106.9037 1019 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1106.9037 as far as 1107.4055 1020 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1107.4055 (pause 0.17) 1107.5711 1021 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1107.5711 evacuating the whole town, I don't know more- I don't think we had a lot of those type floods. 1111.1638 1022 PRV_int_01 1111.2159 Did that happen a lot? Just where you [had like-] 1113.1708 1023 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1112.6576 [Oh yeah], that happened every time it rain [hard.] 1114.4705 1024 PRV_int_01 1114.3664 [Really?] 1114.7498 1025 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1114.7640 Yeah. [] 1116.3828 1026 PRV_int_01 1115.1663 [Okay (laughing).] 1115.9568 1027 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1116.6195 Every time you had a hard rain, you can look forward to water /cordoning/ across the highway. 1119.9687 1028 PRV_int_01 1120.0161 [Oh /yeah/, really?] 1120.9012 1029 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1120.2054 [You know, that- that wasn't] too- 1121.2326 1030 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1121.4787 that was normal. 1122.0420 1031 PRV_int_01 1122.3544 And [not high?] 1122.9224 1032 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1122.4964 [And I think] that's why a lot of people took the flood 1124.2052 1033 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1124.5128 less seriously because 1125.4818 1034 PRV_int_01 1125.3913 /??/. 1125.6847 1035 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1125.7983 their 1126.0303 1036 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1126.0303 (pause 0.18) 1126.2054 1037 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1126.2054 memory from the old days. 1127.3462 1038 PRV_int_01 1127.3509 Okay. 1127.7390 1039 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1127.8526 Yeah. 1128.1840 1040 PRV_int_01 1128.1224 So it's just like, oh [it's just another rain.] 1130.1673 1041 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1129.0123 [Yeah, yeah, just you] know, a little knee high water [that] go away [but that] didn't go away. 1133.4077 1042 PRV_int_01 1131.3723 [Mm.] 1131.6800 1043 PRV_int_01 1131.6800 (pause 0.58) 1132.2575 1044 PRV_int_01 1132.2575 [Okay.] 1132.7640 1045 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1133.9804 And uh, that kept coming. 1135.1685 1046 PRV_int_01 1135.6797 How- uh- w- did you have a lot of trouble when that happened? I mean how do you get out of town? Or how do you- 1139.5402 1047 PRV_int_01 1139.5402 (pause 0.49) 1140.0278 1048 PRV_int_01 1140.0278 people just kind of stay in when it rains like that or? 1142.3898 1049 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1143.0836 Pretty much so they stay in. 1144.2243 1050 PRV_int_01 1144.2622 Yeah? 1144.5273 1051 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1144.4894 You know, um, 1145.6680 1052 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1145.8384 m- 1146.0893 1053 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1146.0893 (pause 0.20) 1146.2929 1054 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1146.2929 they wont a lot of houses back this- it was like [more] 1148.7116 1055 PRV_int_01 1148.2856 [Hm.] 1148.4844 1056 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1148.9510 away from the river. 1149.8031 1057 PRV_int_01 1150.1155 Mkay. 1150.4326 1058 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1150.4515 You know, but the one that was up this way usually was the one that got the water in their yard. But yeah, they just pretty much stayed home. 1155.5644 1059 PRV_int_01 1155.7557 Okay. 1156.2007 1060 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1156.2717 Yeah. 1156.5888 1061 PRV_int_01 1158.2834 And you said uh, 1159.1827 1062 PRV_int_01 1159.1827 (pause 0.13) 1159.3105 1063 PRV_int_01 1159.3105 so when the- when- 1160.0916 1064 PRV_int_01 1160.0916 (pause 0.33) 1160.4229 1065 PRV_int_01 1160.4229 in ninety nine when it started 1161.8599 1066 PRV_int_01 1161.8599 (pause 0.42) 1162.2764 1067 PRV_int_01 1162.2764 raining, people just kind of- 1163.3651 1068 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1163.3840 Yeah [just] 1164.0940 1069 PRV_int_01 1163.7059 [/the water/-] 1164.1130 1070 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1164.3923 thought it was gonna pass over, [/??/] gonna rain a little bit of water 1167.1025 1071 PRV_int_01 1165.5756 [Yeah.] 1165.7460 1072 PRV_int_01 1167.1714 [Yeah.] 1167.4718 1073 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1167.2398 [you know], /let's see-/ 1168.1581 1074 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1168.4279 Plus even with the dyke now, 1169.8621 1075 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1169.8621 (pause 0.26) 1170.1177 1076 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1170.1177 there's low level area in people yard [where the] water still stands, 1173.2500 1077 PRV_int_01 1172.0280 [Hm.] 1172.2268 1078 PRV_int_01 1173.2682 Oh [okay.] 1173.7747 1079 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1173.5759 [so a lot] of people just see that as just 1175.2136 1080 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1176.0751 hard rain with water in their [yard.] 1177.5425 1081 PRV_int_01 1177.2774 [Sure.] 1177.5567 1082 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1177.8265 And didn't take the- didn't take the leaving seriously. 1179.8930 1083 PRV_int_01 1179.9451 Oh wow. 1180.4468 1084 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1180.4799 You know. 1180.8350 1085 PRV_int_01 1181.3036 So now what- how- 1182.3307 1086 PRV_int_01 1182.3307 (pause 0.28) 1182.6100 1087 PRV_int_01 1182.6100 what- you were here at that time, right? 1184.3837 1088 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1184.2998 Mm-hm, [I was] here at that [time.] 1185.5522 1089 PRV_int_01 1184.4986 [So-] 1184.8678 1090 PRV_int_01 1184.8678 (pause 0.48) 1185.3487 1091 PRV_int_01 1185.3487 [What do you] remember about- about the flood or like 1187.7154 1092 PRV_int_01 1188.0041 when- 1188.3828 1093 PRV_int_01 1188.3828 (pause 0.30) 1188.6810 1094 PRV_int_01 1188.6810 when it first started raining? 1190.1862 1095 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1191.3345 Um, 1191.9593 1096 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1191.9593 (pause 0.26) 1192.2210 1097 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1192.2210 well he was chief and I was assistant chief, 1193.9520 1098 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1193.9520 (pause 0.39) 1194.3402 1099 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1194.3402 and um, 1194.9697 1100 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1194.9697 (pause 0.71) 1195.6750 1101 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1195.6750 when we first start hearing it on the news, of course, you know, it was coming this way, 1198.4894 1102 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1198.4894 (pause 0.32) 1198.8066 1103 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1198.8066 I think we was here at the station just 1200.3639 1104 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1200.3639 (pause 0.35) 1200.7141 1105 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1200.7141 on call 1201.5093 1106 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1201.5093 (pause 0.11) 1201.6229 1107 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1201.6229 and uh, 1202.2525 1108 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1202.2525 (pause 0.94) 1203.1877 1109 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1203.1877 we got a 1203.8267 1110 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1203.8267 (pause 0.79) 1204.6172 1111 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1204.6172 guy from- that was checking on the dyke, 1206.4708 1112 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1206.4708 (pause 0.16) 1206.6263 1113 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1206.6263 went to town and that was his job, [to] keep us in- posted with the dyke. And [he saw] that the dyke was rate was still rising at uh, think he said was four inches 1213.8928 1114 PRV_int_01 1208.0632 [Oh.] 1208.3188 1115 PRV_int_01 1208.3188 (pause 1.80) 1210.1155 1116 PRV_int_01 1210.1155 [Hm.] 1210.3001 1117 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1214.2762 an hour. 1214.6643 1118 PRV_int_01 1214.9463 Oh wow. 1215.3297 1119 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1215.5948 And that- and he said we need to either 1217.4787 1120 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1217.4787 (pause 0.82) 1218.3023 1121 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1218.3023 try to help sand bag it, or we need to look at evacuating the town. 1221.4244 1122 PRV_int_01 1221.5096 Mm-hm. 1221.8409 1123 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1222.2622 So we had already started to evacuate 1224.1414 1124 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1224.1414 (pause 0.35) 1224.4869 1125 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1224.4869 people- the- the elderly to the town hall 1226.5176 1126 PRV_int_01 1226.6150 Oh okay. 1227.1451 1127 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1227.1404 at the time. 1227.7652 1128 PRV_int_01 1227.8693 Alright. 1228.1770 1129 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1228.3947 Uh- I- I advised them to open up the town hall to at least get 'em somewhere. 1232.5081 1130 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1232.5081 (pause 0.52) 1233.0268 1131 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1233.0268 And once we got 'em there we got the word that they can't stay there cause it- it was still rising so [we had] to try to locate somewhere else [and we end] up locating 'em to Tarboro High School. 1240.5209 1132 PRV_int_01 1237.0313 [Mm.] 1237.2821 1133 PRV_int_01 1237.2821 (pause 1.33) 1238.6150 1134 PRV_int_01 1238.6150 [Okay.] 1239.0721 1135 PRV_int_01 1240.7450 Oh okay. 1241.2846 1136 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1241.5308 Yeah, and we actually 1242.4112 1137 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1242.4112 (pause 0.28) 1242.6905 1138 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1242.6905 uh, evacuated them with the fire trucks. 1244.3472 1139 PRV_int_01 1244.4040 Oh okay. 1244.8726 1140 PRV_int_01 1244.8726 (pause 0.36) 1245.2303 1141 PRV_int_01 1245.2303 [Okay.] 1245.5806 1142 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1245.4197 [You] know, 1245.8315 1143 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1246.1628 uh- 1246.5983 1144 PRV_int_01 1246.5841 Now what- how- when did you make that decision when- when people decided to [s-] 1250.3046 1145 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1249.9638 [The decision] was made when we was- when he was at the dyke 1252.4326 1146 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1252.6077 and uh, they was uh, sand bagging the dyke, saw that it wa- it was gonna go over it based on the 1257.1593 1147 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1257.1593 (pause 0.45) 1257.6090 1148 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1257.6090 whatever report they was getting. 1258.7403 1149 PRV_int_01 1258.7450 Yeah. 1259.0290 1150 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1258.9864 So we decide to just stop sand bagging, and just say, 1261.0024 1151 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1261.1780 evacuate the town. 1261.9070 1152 PRV_int_01 1261.9922 Mm-hm. 1262.4418 1153 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1262.2931 The mayor made the decision and we just 1263.8883 1154 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1264.1464 of course just went from there. 1265.3551 1155 PRV_int_01 1265.5071 Okay. 1265.9284 1156 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1266.1035 You know, 1266.5795 1157 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1266.5795 (pause 0.28) 1266.8609 1158 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1266.8609 and that's- and that decision was made somewhere around what? 1269.2500 1159 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1269.2500 (pause 0.27) 1269.5191 1160 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1269.5191 Uh, eleven? 1270.5793 1161 misc 1271.1852 No it was /maybe the uh/- 1272.7473 1162 misc 1272.7473 (pause 0.75) 1273.4999 1163 misc 1273.4999 Ten past one. 1274.3140 1164 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1274.4635 Ten past one at night. 1275.5569 1165 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1275.5569 (pause 0.21) 1275.7699 1166 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1275.7699 Yeah. 1276.0820 1167 misc 1276.1107 /Inaudible/ 1276.9344 1168 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1276.8681 /Inaudible/ 1277.6917 1169 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1278.5343 So we was- 1279.1165 1170 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1279.1165 (pause 0.16) 1279.2774 1171 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1279.2774 we stayed up 1280.3330 1172 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1280.3330 (pause 0.29) 1280.6244 1173 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1280.6244 probably all night just evacuating people. 1282.7166 1174 PRV_int_01 1282.7308 Okay. 1283.1521 1175 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1283.2988 Yep. 1283.5734 1176 PRV_int_01 1283.7106 Okay. 1284.0846 1177 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1284.1082 Sure did. 1284.6195 1178 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1284.6195 (pause 0.69) 1285.3105 1179 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1285.3105 Once the decision was made we just went on and- 1287.1214 1180 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1287.1214 (pause 0.30) 1287.4244 1181 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1287.4244 course the phone was ringing off the hook 1288.6077 1182 PRV_int_01 1288.7971 Mm-hm. 1289.0527 1183 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1289.1805 cause there was rumors we was gonna have to evacuate, 1291.2727 1184 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1291.2727 (pause 0.27) 1291.5377 1185 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1291.5377 people had to leave. There was some that at the time 1293.5427 1186 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1293.5427 (pause 0.34) 1293.8788 1187 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1293.8788 was told not yet, 1295.0006 1188 PRV_int_01 1295.0527 [Mm.] 1295.3036 1189 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1295.1521 [so it] was 1295.5497 1190 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1296.1177 crossing up the communication lines so when we finally got the okay we started telling people then, yes. 1300.5415 1191 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1300.5415 (pause 0.41) 1300.9486 1192 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1300.9486 We went out on the truck and got on the- the um, microphone or horn 1303.9780 1193 PRV_int_01 1304.0584 Mm-hm. 1304.3992 1194 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1304.3878 and just let 'em know that you need to evacuate. 1306.3474 1195 PRV_int_01 1306.5604 Mm-hm. 1306.9154 1196 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1307.0811 Um, 1307.4314 1197 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1307.4314 (pause 0.68) 1308.1082 1198 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1308.1082 not realizing that in some area it was already too high for them to even get out. 1311.5995 1199 PRV_int_01 1311.6705 [Mm.] 1311.9608 1200 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1311.8078 [We didn't] know that. 1312.5334 1201 PRV_int_01 1312.6598 Okay. 1313.0716 1202 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1312.9817 You know, we didn't know that. 1314.0704 1203 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1315.5141 So we drove in and uh, couple friends 1317.5380 1204 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1317.5380 (pause 0.48) 1318.0208 1205 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1318.0208 help 1318.4468 1206 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1318.4468 (pause 0.17) 1318.6125 1207 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1318.6125 themselves and couple guys had their own boat, 1320.7425 1208 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1320.7425 (pause 0.43) 1321.1685 1209 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1321.1685 and we were using their boats [to go into] the area that was- water was high enough to get the 1324.3995 1210 PRV_int_01 1322.3026 [Oh.] 1322.6197 1211 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1324.6693 boat in and put 'em on the boats and 1326.3828 1212 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1326.3828 (pause 0.54) 1326.9271 1213 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1326.9271 bring 'em out. And we [was-] 1327.7555 1214 PRV_int_01 1327.5425 [Okay.] 1327.9827 1215 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1328.1673 I remember bringing people out in a chair 1329.7983 1216 PRV_int_01 1330.1581 Wow. 1330.5367 1217 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1330.6456 because they couldn't walk so we let 'em sit in the chair and brought 'em out 1333.0739 1218 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1333.0739 (pause 0.20) 1333.2727 1219 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1333.2727 in the wa- in the [water you know], to- to the boat. 1335.3297 1220 PRV_int_01 1334.1389 [Okay.] 1334.6264 1221 PRV_int_01 1335.5001 Oh wow. 1335.9877 1222 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1336.0161 Especially in this uh, elderly /department/ it was called Prince Court. 1338.8798 1223 PRV_int_01 1339.1922 [Mm-hm.] 1339.5129 1224 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1339.3011 [Prince]- Prince Court. 1340.2667 1225 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1340.5460 And uh, that was our biggest problem. 1342.1202 1226 PRV_int_01 1342.5225 Mm. 1342.7734 1227 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1342.9770 You know, it was our biggest problem. Um, but I do remember 1344.9887 1228 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1344.9887 (pause 0.35) 1345.3389 1229 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1345.3389 going in /downstown/ 1346.5412 1230 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1346.5412 (pause 0.63) 1347.1735 1231 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1347.1735 and the water was probably 1348.5793 1232 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1348.5793 (pause 0.44) 1349.0243 1233 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1349.0243 several feet already, that was- /??/ near where the river runs? 1351.9590 1234 PRV_int_01 1351.9448 Mm-hm. 1352.3850 1235 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1352.3424 That there was already flooded and we didn't even know it. 1354.4279 1236 PRV_int_01 1354.6977 Hm. 1354.9391 1237 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1354.9959 So it s- sort of like closing in on us. 1356.7047 1238 PRV_int_01 1356.9366 [Oh wow.] 1357.3957 1239 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1356.9508 [Surrounding] us, and [we didn't even] realize [that.] 1358.6028 1240 PRV_int_01 1357.5472 [Oh wow.] 1358.0016 1241 PRV_int_01 1358.0016 (pause 0.42) 1358.4209 1242 PRV_int_01 1358.4209 [Oh] wow, so you were in some danger. 1359.9025 1243 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1359.9167 Oh yeah we was in much more danger that what we was told. 1362.1698 1244 PRV_int_01 1362.1792 Oh really. 1362.6479 1245 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1362.9603 Yeah, it- so uh, 1364.2478 1246 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1364.2478 (pause 0.36) 1364.6122 1247 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1364.6122 I drove across the highway to go in that 1367.3982 1248 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1367.3982 (pause 0.32) 1367.7201 1249 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1367.7201 area 1368.1982 1250 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1368.1982 (pause 0.51) 1368.7094 1251 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1368.7094 two hours later, 1369.4620 1252 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1369.4620 (pause 0.36) 1369.8170 1253 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1369.8170 there was the water too deep to drive the truck through. 1371.7983 1254 PRV_int_01 1372.1202 Mm. 1372.3332 1255 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1372.5604 So we found another car back there so me and /RD-NAME-1/ went out there checked it out and you couldn't drive- drive the truck through there, it was that- that quick. 1378.1060 1256 PRV_int_01 1378.5273 Wow. 1378.8350 1257 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1379.0764 You know, so 1379.8810 1258 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1379.8810 (pause 0.28) 1380.1650 1259 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1380.1650 and I'm wondering well, I stay back there. 1382.0916 1260 PRV_int_01 1382.2762 Mm-hm. 1382.5696 1261 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1382.8138 So I'm looking 1383.7415 1262 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1383.7415 (pause 0.18) 1383.9261 1263 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1383.9261 well, where is the water coming from? 1385.3698 1264 PRV_int_01 1385.4834 Right. 1385.7580 1265 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1385.7816 You know, but it had passed through and that area is low. There is no dyke in that area. 1389.6294 1266 PRV_int_01 1389.7273 Okay. 1390.0066 1267 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1390.1959 So the water just- was /happen/ surrounding the town of Princeville /pity say/ nobody even realized. 1394.0537 1268 PRV_int_01 1394.0300 Hm. 1394.3093 1269 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1394.8090 Yeah. 1395.1025 1270 PRV_int_01 1395.2493 [And then now] where was your house at? /?/. 1397.3651 1271 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1395.2587 [But they realize-] 1395.8031 1272 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1397.8716 On uh, Ridgewood Road on [/??/] [Highway.] 1399.9212 1273 PRV_int_01 1399.0786 [Oh.] 1399.4336 1274 PRV_int_01 1399.4336 (pause 0.31) 1399.7460 1275 PRV_int_01 1399.7460 [Okay.] 1400.1815 1276 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1400.3330 That's where the- /after/ the first starting to- 1402.3521 1277 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1402.3521 (pause 0.33) 1402.6787 1278 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1402.6787 you could tell you was in trouble. 1403.9863 1279 PRV_int_01 1404.0656 Okay. 1404.3686 1280 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1404.5106 /?/ through that area right there. 1405.8880 1281 PRV_int_01 1406.0395 So you- so you 1407.1192 1282 PRV_int_01 1407.1192 (pause 0.38) 1407.4954 1283 PRV_int_01 1407.4954 got your family out? 1408.3900 1284 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1408.4421 Oh yeah. 1408.7119 1285 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1408.7119 (pause 0.16) 1408.8681 1286 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1408.8681 I called 'em and told 'em that- 1410.4112 1287 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1410.4112 (pause 0.41) 1410.8183 1288 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1410.8183 I actually- I went home and changed clothes probably two or three times just to get out of the wet clothes? 1414.6409 1289 PRV_int_01 1414.6409 Mm-hm. 1415.0480 1290 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1414.9580 And I told 'em they could go ahead on and leave, 1417.3579 1291 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1417.7602 thinking that we was gonna be back in a couple of hours. 1419.6895 1292 PRV_int_01 1419.7936 Yeah. 1419.9735 1293 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1419.8977 You know so we didn't take anything. 1421.2468 1294 PRV_int_01 1421.3320 Sure. 1421.6254 1295 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1421.6396 You know, so we realized then that we was 1423.8265 1296 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1423.8265 (pause 0.21) 1424.0348 1297 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1424.0348 um, 1424.3330 1298 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1424.3330 (pause 0.23) 1424.5602 1299 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1424.5602 not gonna be coming back, 1425.5901 1300 PRV_int_01 1425.5238 Yeah. 1425.7368 1301 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1425.9829 you know, for awhile. 1426.9202 1302 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1426.9202 (pause 0.57) 1427.4929 1303 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1427.4929 But yeah, I- I warned my family and the neighbors- and the people in the [neighborhood, and] the- 1431.2729 1304 PRV_int_01 1430.7002 [Mm.] 1431.0362 1305 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1431.4386 try to comfort some families, let 'em know, well yeah, 1433.4787 1306 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1433.4787 (pause 0.30) 1433.7769 1307 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1433.7769 you- you need to evacuate, but I can't promise you when you will come back [/here/.] 1437.0930 1308 PRV_int_01 1436.8232 [Yeah.] 1437.1593 1309 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1437.3865 You know. 1437.7699 1310 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1437.7699 (pause 0.58) 1438.3538 1311 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1438.3538 I mean, people were just 1439.3036 1312 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1439.3036 (pause 0.49) 1439.7923 1313 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1439.7923 hesitant about leaving. 1440.7615 1314 PRV_int_01 1440.7993 [Yeah.] 1441.0502 1315 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1440.8987 [Cause] they didn't actually see the water in their yard. 1443.1925 1316 PRV_int_01 1443.2824 Mm-hm. 1443.6043 1317 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1443.9451 You know, so if they see the water, 1445.6207 1318 PRV_int_01 1445.8479 [Right.] 1446.1272 1319 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1445.8526 [Gonna] be /??/ in danger. 1447.0123 1320 PRV_int_01 1446.9934 Yeah. 1447.2963 1321 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1447.5614 And you know, it's not like a tornado you can see it coming, [you know] this was the flood. 1450.8597 1322 PRV_int_01 1449.6611 [Mm-hm.] 1450.0539 1323 PRV_int_01 1451.0764 Yeah. 1451.3604 1324 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1451.4834 You know. 1451.8574 1325 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1451.8574 (pause 0.75) 1452.6053 1326 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1452.6053 So if that dyke had burst 1453.9401 1327 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1453.9401 (pause 0.26) 1454.2004 1328 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1454.2004 a little bit sooner- which I have pictures of that- 1456.1439 1329 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1456.1439 (pause 0.31) 1456.4563 1330 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1456.4563 if it had a burst a little bit soon we woulda been in really 1458.6573 1331 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1458.6573 (pause 0.22) 1458.8798 1332 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1458.8798 serious trouble. 1459.5898 1333 PRV_int_01 1459.5898 Yeah. 1459.8928 1334 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1460.1768 And um, 1460.6643 1335 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1460.6643 (pause 0.53) 1461.1925 1336 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1461.1925 so that was the very first area that we was asked to evacuate, [and most] of the people was already gone. 1465.3579 1337 PRV_int_01 1464.1461 [Mm-hm.] 1464.5011 1338 PRV_int_01 1465.6419 Yeah. [Really?] 1466.3614 1339 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1466.0768 [No] /??/ was already gone. I think we only had like, fifteen families that /actually/ still there. 1470.1792 1340 PRV_int_01 1470.2266 Okay. 1470.5437 1341 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1470.8135 So they didn't take any chances cause they was right there on the river. 1473.0856 1342 PRV_int_01 1473.1972 And they could see it? 1473.7510 1343 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1473.7652 And they could see [it.] 1474.3900 1344 PRV_int_01 1474.2385 [Yeah.] 1474.5178 1345 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1474.6219 So they left. 1475.0290 1346 PRV_int_01 1475.0764 Yeah. 1475.3651 1347 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1475.4314 You know. 1475.7532 1348 PRV_int_01 1476.1792 Yeah. 1476.4396 1349 PRV_int_01 1476.4396 (pause 0.46) 1476.8987 1350 PRV_int_01 1476.8987 Did you have any people that 1478.0016 1351 PRV_int_01 1478.0016 (pause 0.48) 1478.4797 1352 PRV_int_01 1478.4797 stayed a little too long or? 1479.8078 1353 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1479.8220 Oh yeah. 1480.2007 1354 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1480.2007 (pause 0.47) 1480.6693 1355 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1480.6693 We had quite a few 1481.4740 1356 PRV_int_01 1481.6728 1481.9946 1357 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1481.8716 stay a little too long and /they/ had to be rescued by uh, Army [helicopter.] 1485.7415 1358 PRV_int_01 1485.6327 [Oh] really? 1486.2007 1359 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1486.4089 /inaudible/ 1486.8350 1360 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1486.8350 (pause 0.19) 1487.0243 1361 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1487.0243 So we had some that just stayed and stayed and stayed, while- 1489.4478 1362 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1489.4478 (pause 0.52) 1489.9685 1363 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1489.9685 I know one lady 1490.9294 1364 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1490.9294 (pause 0.34) 1491.2729 1365 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1491.2729 that's friends with uh, 1492.4705 1366 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1492.4705 (pause 0.24) 1492.7119 1367 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1492.7119 family who 1493.4314 1368 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1493.4314 (pause 0.45) 1493.8810 1369 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1493.8810 didn't know 1494.6053 1370 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1494.6053 (pause 0.28) 1494.8893 1371 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1494.8893 that the flood was that bad. 1496.0348 1372 PRV_int_01 1496.0632 Mm. 1496.3424 1373 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1496.4608 And when she woke up the next morning, looked out the window and saw water. 1499.3793 1374 PRV_int_01 1499.3840 Mm. 1499.6586 1375 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1499.8952 And it lucky that she was able to drive her car through. 1501.9780 1376 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1501.9780 (pause 0.81) 1502.7854 1377 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1502.7854 Just guessing between the house and the mailbox, using the mailbox as a guide 1506.1130 1378 PRV_int_01 1506.1130 Aw. 1506.5532 1379 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1506.5248 and knowing where the road sposta be. 1507.9212 1380 PRV_int_01 1507.8786 Oh man. 1508.5034 1381 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1508.4892 And just drove out with she and her mother. 1509.9403 1382 PRV_int_01 1510.2338 And she- did she make it? 1511.2231 1383 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1511.1994 She made it. [She made it.] 1512.1934 1384 PRV_int_01 1511.6396 [Oh wow.] 1512.1603 1385 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1512.4301 She made [it.] 1512.8845 1386 PRV_int_01 1512.6668 [Just] kind of guessing where [the road-] 1513.9969 1387 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1513.6466 [Yeah] guessing where the road should be. 1515.0410 1388 PRV_int_01 1515.1025 1515.4859 1389 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1515.5759 You know, and she was probably but one of the few that stayed in our whole community. 1518.9177 1390 PRV_int_01 1518.9508 Yeah. 1519.3200 1391 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1519.5330 You know, cause she say, where everybody at? 1521.3297 1392 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1521.3297 (pause 0.35) 1521.6800 1393 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1521.6800 Everybody was gone, when she looked out her door and all she saw was water /???/ probably this high. 1525.1827 1394 PRV_int_01 1525.3768 Oh wow. 1525.8833 1395 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1526.0632 And she knew it was time to go. 1527.1835 1396 PRV_int_01 1527.5948 [Man.] 1527.9119 1397 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1527.7936 [You] know, but we went out there in our own neighborhood to warn our own people- [let them] know that, you know, you might wanna go. 1533.1063 1398 PRV_int_01 1531.0644 [Yeah.] 1531.3957 1399 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1533.4291 And at that, we used boat out there in that area 1535.2988 1400 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1535.2988 (pause 0.23) 1535.5260 1401 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1535.5260 to get out people. 1536.4065 1402 PRV_int_01 1536.7804 Oh [okay.] 1537.1827 1403 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1537.0076 [You] know. 1537.4431 1404 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1537.6939 And it was amazing though because in one section you could use a boat 1540.6370 1405 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1540.6370 (pause 0.16) 1540.7924 1406 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1540.7924 and another section you couldn't. 1542.0230 1407 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1542.0230 (pause 0.16) 1542.1792 1408 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1542.1792 There was absolutely zero amount of water. 1543.9164 1409 PRV_int_01 1544.4986 Really? 1544.8110 1410 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1545.0315 [Yeah.] 1545.3581 1411 PRV_int_01 1545.0978 [So you had] 1545.4670 1412 PRV_int_01 1545.6847 be careful [where you could] go and [everything.] [And wow.] 1548.2171 1413 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1546.3190 [Yeah.] 1546.6702 1414 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1546.6702 (pause 0.45) 1547.1237 1415 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1547.1237 [Yeah.] 1547.4030 1416 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1547.4030 (pause 0.14) 1547.5402 1417 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1547.5402 [Exactly.] 1548.1236 1418 PRV_int_01 1548.9603 Wow. 1549.2253 1419 PRV_int_01 1549.2253 (pause 1.28) 1550.5081 1420 PRV_int_01 1550.5081 So 1551.0288 1421 PRV_int_01 1551.0288 (pause 1.05) 1552.0776 1422 PRV_int_01 1552.0776 the fire department at that time 1553.7201 1423 PRV_int_01 1553.7201 (pause 0.61) 1554.3307 1424 PRV_int_01 1554.3307 had- had enough people to deal with- 1556.1578 1425 PRV_int_01 1556.1578 (pause 0.54) 1556.7002 1426 PRV_int_01 1556.7002 with everything that was going on or they just basically did what you [could?] 1560.2502 1427 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1559.9899 [You know], we did what we could. 1561.2667 1428 PRV_int_01 1561.2443 Yeah. 1561.5046 1429 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1561.5377 You know, there's never enough man power to /help/ on a situation like that on [such short] notice. After 1566.0940 1430 PRV_int_01 1564.8823 [Yeah.] 1565.2231 1431 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1566.4207 uh, notifying the fire marshal, uh, he said that 1569.1025 1432 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1569.1025 (pause 0.46) 1569.5617 1433 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1569.5617 help was coming but it was gonna be several hours getting [here with] the um, National Guard, I guess. 1573.8265 1434 PRV_int_01 1572.1414 [Hm.] 1572.4207 1435 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1574.3472 But um, that would- that woulda been too- 1576.0208 1436 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1576.0208 (pause 0.49) 1576.5083 1437 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1576.5083 too long. 1576.8397 1438 PRV_int_01 1576.9628 Too long? 1577.3556 1439 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1577.3272 You know, so when people who really needed to get out, two more hours woulda been too long for them to stay in- 1581.5380 1440 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1581.7841 in a area like that. 1582.6882 1441 PRV_int_01 1583.0480 Mm. 1583.2799 1442 PRV_int_01 1583.2799 (pause 0.53) 1583.8148 1443 PRV_int_01 1583.8148 So you- you really the 1585.0739 1444 PRV_int_01 1585.0739 (pause 0.67) 1585.7413 1445 PRV_int_01 1585.7413 front [line?] 1586.3102 1446 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1586.1105 [It] was actually the front line. It was very front line. [] 1589.5402 1447 PRV_int_01 1588.4326 [] 1589.4503 1448 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1589.6633 First attack. [] 1591.5803 1449 PRV_int_01 1590.5343 [] 1591.1259 1450 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1592.1294 Yeah, so we actually 1593.1329 1451 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1593.1329 (pause 0.33) 1593.4623 1452 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1593.4623 probably played a major major role in helping rescue 1596.5390 1453 PRV_int_01 1596.7378 [Hm.] 1596.9697 1454 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1596.7615 [cause that] was actually their job. 1598.2288 1455 PRV_int_01 1598.5602 Okay. 1598.9246 1456 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1599.0741 Uh, but we was assisting them cause they had heavy duty equipment, at times /unintelligible/. 1604.0916 1457 PRV_int_01 1604.4040 [Mm.] 1604.6548 1458 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1604.4513 [You know] but as time- 1605.5759 1459 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1605.8173 if the truck could go, we took the truck. 1607.4266 1460 PRV_int_01 1607.4645 Yeah. 1607.7296 1461 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1608.0751 You know, and like I said, we just 1609.4951 1462 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1609.4951 (pause 0.27) 1609.7697 1463 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1609.7697 uh, put people that couldn't walk 1611.2871 1464 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1611.2871 (pause 0.18) 1611.4670 1465 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1611.4670 and put 'em inside the truck and rescue vans and things, and just 1614.9035 1466 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1614.9035 (pause 0.47) 1615.3721 1467 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1615.3721 uh, throw 'em out there with- and even our trucks. 1617.6847 1468 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1617.6847 (pause 0.61) 1618.2953 1469 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1618.2953 We would help them anyway we could, 1620.0988 1470 PRV_int_01 1620.1414 [Mm-hm.] 1620.5106 1471 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1620.2881 [to get 'em] out of that area. 1621.2348 1472 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1621.5993 [And there was-] 1622.0206 1473 PRV_int_01 1621.6087 [Okay.] 1622.0016 1474 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1622.3262 and there was some that was very very glad to see us, 1624.1675 1475 PRV_int_01 1624.4231 Yeah. 1624.6551 1476 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1624.8397 you know. 1625.2752 1477 PRV_int_01 1626.4065 I bet. 1626.8230 1478 PRV_int_01 1626.8230 (pause 0.50) 1627.3247 1479 PRV_int_01 1627.3247 I bet. 1627.7460 1480 PRV_int_01 1627.7460 (pause 1.24) 1628.9842 1481 PRV_int_01 1628.9842 Do you have any particular 1630.5509 1482 PRV_int_01 1630.5509 (pause 0.46) 1631.0101 1483 PRV_int_01 1631.0101 rescues that you remember or that- 1632.7567 1484 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1633.5330 The one that- the one that- that 1635.0619 1485 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1635.0619 (pause 0.32) 1635.3771 1486 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1635.3771 the most was the one out here in uh, Prince Court when we had to actually bring- When we pulled up there was people standing in the door sweeping water out of their house. 1643.0037 1487 PRV_int_01 1643.0101 Mm. 1643.3178 1488 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1643.6065 You know, so we saw that and we asked them- I asked them, I said why didn't y'all call us? They said the phones weren't working. 1648.3517 1489 PRV_int_01 1648.3711 Mm. Okay. 1649.1663 1490 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1649.1284 So the water was rising, 1650.3497 1491 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1650.6715 nobody knew it, 1651.5661 1492 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1651.5661 (pause 0.39) 1651.9543 1493 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1651.9543 so uh, we /had 'em going back there just out of a guess/, 1654.3237 1494 PRV_int_01 1654.3900 Mm-hm. 1654.7024 1495 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1654.7071 they probably woulda been in trouble. 1655.9568 1496 PRV_int_01 1655.9520 Okay. 1656.4301 1497 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1656.4443 And you know, but some of 'em couldn't walk, 1657.6135 1498 PRV_int_01 1657.8786 Right. 1658.1626 1499 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1658.3424 so they was still sitting in the chair when we got there with water in the house. 1661.0054 1500 PRV_int_01 1661.1758 Right. 1661.4834 1501 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1661.6491 So uh, those- that area right there, incident, I remember the most. 1665.2500 1502 PRV_int_01 1665.3439 Okay. 1665.7510 1503 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1665.8267 You know, people could not come out on their own and 1667.7911 1504 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1667.7911 (pause 0.31) 1668.1035 1505 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1668.1035 carrying 'em out 1668.7331 1506 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1668.7331 (pause 0.16) 1668.8940 1507 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1668.8940 uh, 1669.4289 1508 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1669.4289 (pause 0.35) 1669.7791 1509 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1669.7791 you know, in chairs and put them in boats, 1671.5049 1510 PRV_int_01 1671.6895 Yeah. 1672.0019 1511 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1672.0019 uh, that would have been 1673.1994 1512 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1673.7580 uh, enough for a movie. 1674.6857 1513 PRV_int_01 1674.8656 [Yeah. Okay.] 1676.0158 1514 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1675.2017 [You know (laughing)], that was a movie in the making [if we] coulda caught that on tape. 1678.4089 1515 PRV_int_01 1677.2587 [Righ-] 1677.4717 1516 PRV_int_01 1678.5793 Oh. 1678.8586 1517 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1678.8444 Yeah. 1679.1568 1518 PRV_int_01 1679.4976 Pretty- pretty scary stuff. 1680.7520 1519 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1680.7331 Oh yeah [that was-] and it- 1681.8312 1520 PRV_int_01 1681.1307 [Yeah.] 1681.3815 1521 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1681.9922 but we didn't realize it was water up here to our waist and chest everywhere- 1685.1994 1522 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1685.1994 (pause 0.22) 1685.4172 1523 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1685.4172 walk- 1685.7580 1524 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1685.7580 (pause 0.11) 1685.8716 1525 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1685.8716 didn't think twice. We just wanted rescue those people. [Didn't] think /??/ how- 1689.3061 1526 PRV_int_01 1688.0158 [Sure.] 1688.3566 1527 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1689.4907 whether we were gonna step in a hole or not, we just think of the people in- [in that] area. 1692.7899 1528 PRV_int_01 1692.1082 [Sure.] 1692.5030 1529 PRV_int_01 1692.9697 Yeah. 1693.2537 1530 PRV_int_01 1693.2537 (pause 0.46) 1693.7176 1531 PRV_int_01 1693.7176 And there were- I'm sure there were like, down 1695.2966 1532 PRV_int_01 1695.2966 (pause 0.60) 1695.8930 1533 PRV_int_01 1695.8930 power lines and stuff [like that or?] 1697.6822 1534 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1696.9202 [Uh, we had] mostly down trees 1699.5377 1535 PRV_int_01 1699.4431 Really? 1699.7933 1536 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1699.8596 than power lines. I'm glad of that. 1701.2587 1537 PRV_int_01 1701.4007 Yeah. 1701.7037 1538 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1701.6658 Uh, we had mostly you know, debris 1703.4361 1539 PRV_int_01 1703.5876 [Yeah.] 1703.8337 1540 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1703.6680 [to work with.] 1704.2502 1541 PRV_int_01 1704.4159 To- to deal with. 1705.2679 1542 PRV_int_01 1705.2679 (pause 0.25) 1705.5141 1543 PRV_int_01 1705.5141 Yeah. 1705.9022 1544 PRV_int_01 1705.9022 (pause 1.44) 1707.3439 1545 PRV_int_01 1707.3439 So, 1707.7652 1546 PRV_int_01 1707.7652 (pause 0.24) 1708.0019 1547 PRV_int_01 1708.0019 it was a- 1708.7403 1548 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1709.5775 [Yeah, I'm] glad of the power line, they stayed up. 1711.2348 1549 PRV_int_01 1709.5970 [uh-] 1709.8148 1550 PRV_int_01 1711.8644 [Yeah. ] 1712.8631 1551 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1711.8880 [You know? ] I don't think we woulda got in the water had been in a- in a- /popping sound/ [/or a-/] 1716.8135 1552 PRV_int_01 1716.1414 [Yeah.] 1716.4680 1553 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1716.9224 probably wouldn't have been able to get in there. 1718.2146 1554 PRV_int_01 1718.2714 Right. 1718.6690 1555 PRV_int_01 1718.6690 (pause 0.09) 1718.7570 1556 PRV_int_01 1718.7570 Right. 1719.0031 1557 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1718.9794 But we had people, we had firemans spread out in all different areas. [You know, we'd] just go- We was on the radio just saying, will you go check this area? We'll go check this area and 1726.3900 1558 PRV_int_01 1722.3639 [Okay.] 1722.7236 1559 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1726.9012 uh, 1727.3746 1560 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1727.3746 (pause 0.31) 1727.6822 1561 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1727.6822 you know, it was just amazing how some area had several feet of water and just right beside their house was no water 1732.5273 1562 PRV_int_01 1732.6503 Mm. 1732.9154 1563 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1733.2184 And [uh, fact] that's the way this area is designed. 1735.5614 1564 PRV_int_01 1733.4172 [Mm.] 1733.7722 1565 PRV_int_01 1735.6608 Yeah. 1735.9259 1566 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1735.9070 You know, just- it's had some 1737.3624 1567 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1737.8078 strange design. 1738.6548 1568 PRV_int_01 1739.0622 Yeah. 1739.3840 1569 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1739.3746 we have 1739.7788 1570 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1739.9732 everybody- the house is almost submerged, and some people, the houses never /?/ it never touched it [in the] same community. 1745.2089 1571 PRV_int_01 1744.2243 [Hm.] 1744.4989 1572 PRV_int_01 1745.4077 Okay. 1745.8574 1573 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1745.8526 You know. 1746.2029 1574 PRV_int_01 1746.1224 So there were some houses that made it? 1747.8454 1575 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1747.8028 Oh yeah, there were- 1748.3661 1576 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1748.6197 uh, in Southern Terrace, I know. 1749.7652 1577 PRV_int_01 1750.2196 Okay. 1750.5557 1578 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1750.5557 No houses made it in Princeville. 1752.2124 1579 PRV_int_01 1752.3071 Right. 1752.5863 1580 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1752.7851 And those- there were no houses that made it in Princeville but in the- in the area down the highway there about 1756.9959 1581 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1756.9959 (pause 0.24) 1757.2326 1582 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1757.2326 half a mile, 1757.8526 1583 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1757.8526 (pause 0.57) 1758.4207 1584 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1758.4207 there were some that- 1759.4478 1585 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1759.4478 (pause 0.19) 1759.6371 1586 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1759.6371 that would /fate/ a lot better than others. 1761.2587 1587 PRV_int_01 1761.2540 Okay. 1761.5664 1588 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1761.5995 You know. 1762.0445 1589 misc 1762.1155 It was /inaudible/. 1763.3651 1590 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1763.5071 Because they sit up- one of 'em sit up on a hill. 1765.1969 1591 PRV_int_01 1765.4194 Right. 1765.7791 1592 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1765.7649 /Unintelligible/ on a hill. 1767.5238 1593 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1767.7936 So obviously that would save a lot better. 1769.7248 1594 PRV_int_01 1769.8100 Now I noticed that a lot of the new houses are a little 1772.4276 1595 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1772.3708 Mm-hm. 1772.7495 1596 PRV_int_01 1773.1972 built up- up a little bit higher. 1775.1048 1597 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1775.2231 Uh, 1775.7154 1598 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1775.7154 (pause 0.13) 1775.8432 1599 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1775.8432 well, 1776.2218 1600 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1776.2218 (pause 0.27) 1776.4869 1601 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1776.4869 they had to. 1777.0549 1602 PRV_int_01 1777.1496 Yeah. 1777.4999 1603 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1777.7649 You know, they had to build 'em up, you know, to build 'em back. 1779.9309 1604 PRV_int_01 1780.0303 Yeah. 1780.3319 1605 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1780.3991 So that's- that's good in a sense but 1782.5485 1606 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1782.5485 (pause 0.46) 1783.0076 1607 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1783.0076 course you /?/- there's- nothing's gonna 1784.5696 1608 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1784.5696 (pause 0.79) 1785.3581 1609 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1785.3581 out level that if it- if that happens, so. If that [water] comes over the dyke now 1789.1827 1610 PRV_int_01 1787.5734 [Yeah.] 1787.8148 1611 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1789.6797 you got a problem. 1790.3140 1612 PRV_int_01 1790.3499 Yeah. 1790.6339 1613 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1790.7996 You know, [you got a serious] problem. 1792.0492 1614 PRV_int_01 1791.1262 [You still got a problem.] 1791.8865 1615 PRV_int_01 1791.8865 (pause 0.12) 1792.0019 1616 PRV_int_01 1792.0019 Yeah. 1792.2527 1617 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1792.2007 But that dyke has been raised if I'm not mistaken quite a few feet 1795.5567 1618 PRV_int_01 1795.6939 Yeah. 1795.9401 1619 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1796.0348 from the- from the previous height so if it comes over that dyke now, 1799.4740 1620 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1799.4740 (pause 0.31) 1799.7816 1621 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1799.7816 and I've seen /???/ make you think. 1801.6087 1622 PRV_int_01 1801.8407 Yeah. 1802.2146 1623 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1802.6264 And uh, [went out there] one day, and I- it was 1804.8681 1624 PRV_int_01 1802.9179 [/Right./] 1803.1877 1625 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1805.7154 enough to make you wonder. 1806.7473 1626 PRV_int_01 1806.9508 Really? 1807.2490 1627 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1807.3200 You know, it was only probably a good fifteen feet away from the top 1811.1474 1628 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1811.1474 (pause 0.18) 1811.3225 1629 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1811.3225 highest point of the dyke. 1812.4254 1630 PRV_int_01 1812.4065 Hm. 1812.6810 1631 PRV_int_01 1813.1023 [This was a-] another s- rain storm [you had?] 1815.2682 1632 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1813.1117 [You know.] 1813.5330 1633 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1813.5330 (pause 1.36) 1814.8942 1634 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1814.8942 [Mm-hm.] Another rain storm we had. It had rained for like a week. 1817.7374 1635 PRV_int_01 1817.9662 Hm. 1818.1934 1636 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1818.3449 And water had um- had 1820.1010 1637 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1820.1010 (pause 0.24) 1820.3424 1638 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1820.3424 rose quite a bit. 1821.1943 1639 PRV_int_01 1821.3818 Wow. 1821.7131 1640 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1822.1533 And that's when the town started seeing a lot of phone calls 1824.1650 1641 PRV_int_01 1824.3828 Yeah. 1824.6526 1642 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1824.6857 cause you could see going /up the river/ 1826.2904 1643 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1826.2904 (pause 0.18) 1826.4702 1644 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1826.4702 that highway /jutted/ from the uh, 1827.9356 1645 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1827.9356 (pause 0.23) 1828.1675 1646 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1828.1675 railroad track [how] high it's getting and [it was] pretty high. 1830.5863 1647 PRV_int_01 1828.8160 [Yeah.] 1829.1284 1648 PRV_int_01 1829.1284 (pause 0.71) 1829.8384 1649 PRV_int_01 1829.8384 [Mm.] 1830.0562 1650 PRV_int_01 1830.6431 Mm. 1830.9177 1651 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1831.1259 You know? And uh, 1831.9022 1652 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1831.9022 (pause 0.35) 1832.2525 1653 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1832.2525 and even now when the river just rise 1833.7794 1654 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1833.7794 (pause 0.18) 1833.9593 1655 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1833.9593 period now we get phone calls. 1835.1758 1656 PRV_int_01 1835.2231 Really? 1835.4834 1657 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1835.6728 You know, is it gonna [flood? Or is everything] alright? [Really, you know], it's just, you know, people just now panic when it- when it rain now period. 1841.8195 1658 PRV_int_01 1836.8325 [] 1837.4762 1659 PRV_int_01 1837.4762 (pause 0.61) 1838.0868 1660 PRV_int_01 1838.0868 [] 1838.6359 1661 PRV_int_01 1841.8195 I bet. 1842.1840 1662 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1842.4159 [You know.] 1842.9082 1663 PRV_int_01 1842.4207 [I bet.] 1842.9508 1664 PRV_int_01 1843.2443 I bet. 1843.6277 1665 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1843.6182 I don't think some people will mentally ever get over that. 1846.1013 1666 PRV_int_01 1846.2859 Really? Sure [sure.] 1847.3225 1667 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1847.0196 [You know], I don't think they will. 1848.2834 1668 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1848.6479 Yeah. 1849.0455 1669 PRV_int_01 1849.7791 How has the town been recovering since- since then? 1852.5983 1670 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1853.2657 It's been recovering 1854.3923 1671 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1854.3923 (pause 0.17) 1854.5627 1672 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1854.5627 actually faster than I thought. 1856.0016 1673 PRV_int_01 1856.0111 Really? 1856.3188 1674 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1856.8205 Cause I'm sort of surprised to see that many people come back 1859.6538 1675 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1859.6538 (pause 0.19) 1859.8479 1676 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1859.8479 [so soon.] 1860.4633 1677 PRV_int_01 1859.8905 [Yeah.] 1860.1698 1678 PRV_int_01 1860.6810 Yeah. 1860.9413 1679 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1861.1165 I rode through there after the flood when they allowed the public to come through? 1864.2575 1680 PRV_int_01 1864.3095 Mm. 1864.5699 1681 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1864.7734 And um, 1865.4598 1682 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1865.4598 (pause 0.35) 1865.8100 1683 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1865.8100 and it's- it look- 1866.8419 1684 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1866.8419 (pause 0.13) 1866.9697 1685 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1866.9697 it just look like a ghost town. 1868.2809 1686 PRV_int_01 1868.3708 Mm. 1868.7022 1687 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1868.9889 You know, I mean when you see houses sitting in the highway, 1871.3922 1688 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1871.3922 (pause 0.54) 1871.9284 1689 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1871.9284 you know, that water pushed in the highway [and everything], the houses just tore all to pieces, just 1875.7463 1690 PRV_int_01 1873.5709 [Mm.] 1873.7839 1691 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1876.1912 yesterday, just didn't look like that and today it's just like, 1878.7899 1692 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1878.7899 (pause 0.16) 1878.9508 1693 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1878.9508 you know, a- a- something out of a horror movie. 1880.6150 1694 PRV_int_01 1880.7712 Mm-hm. [Yeah.] 1881.6705 1695 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1881.5191 [You] know, when it- when everything like that, so you could ride through here on a boat and practically touch the stop- the stop light with your hand, that's [how high] it [was.] 1888.3812 1696 PRV_int_01 1887.3392 [Mm.] 1887.7557 1697 PRV_int_01 1887.7557 (pause 0.24) 1887.9924 1698 PRV_int_01 1887.9924 [Wow.] 1888.3427 1699 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1888.6787 And now I think it got probably 1890.3686 1700 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1890.3686 (pause 0.59) 1890.9555 1701 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1890.9555 a foot from being completely to the ceiling inside the fire station. 1893.7652 1702 PRV_int_01 1893.7699 Mm. 1894.1391 1703 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1894.4373 You know. 1894.9012 1704 misc 1895.0423 /inaudible/ (whispered) 1896.4224 1705 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1896.6905 Pretty much, wont it? 1897.4667 1706 misc 1897.6655 /inaudible/ 1897.9969 1707 misc 1897.9969 (pause 0.34) 1898.3357 1708 misc 1898.3357 /inaudible/ 1899.3534 1709 misc 1899.3534 (pause 0.34) 1899.6895 1710 misc 1899.6895 /inaudible/ 1900.1439 1711 PRV_int_01 1900.5651 Hm, this [building here was submerged?] 1902.2266 1712 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1901.2894 [We just about- Yeah.] As a matter of fact, cause I saw the pictures and it was 1904.1957 1713 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1904.3898 probably about that much from being from the roof. 1906.0208 1714 PRV_int_01 1906.2291 [So they were able to-] 1907.2894 1715 misc 1906.3332 [/Inaudible/] 1907.6586 1716 misc 1907.9520 Yeah /eighty one/ outside. 1909.4762 1717 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1909.6040 Yeah. 1909.8691 1718 PRV_int_01 1910.2762 So they restored this building [here?] 1911.8457 1719 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1911.6611 [Oh yeah] it's been [redone.] 1912.3001 1720 PRV_int_01 1912.0871 [Oh] o- okay. 1912.9202 1721 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1913.1474 [Uh-] 1913.5213 1722 PRV_int_01 1913.1474 [Okay.] 1913.5308 1723 PRV_int_01 1914.2692 Cause I know a lot of the places look- 1915.6892 1724 PRV_int_01 1915.6892 (pause 0.25) 1915.9401 1725 PRV_int_01 1915.9401 look new. 1916.4844 1726 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1916.7286 [Oh yeah. ] 1917.7226 1727 PRV_int_01 1916.7286 [Like they had to replace it.] 1917.7841 1728 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1918.0918 Yeah, I think uh- there was no house to save in Princeville, so whatever you see is either been remodeled or been replaced. [I mean], it's not- 1924.4515 1729 PRV_int_01 1923.7368 [Mm-hm.] 1924.1107 1730 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1924.6077 there was nothing livable- 1925.7438 1731 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1925.7438 (pause 0.32) 1926.0609 1732 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1926.0609 [in livable] condition in this town after the flood washed away, oh it was nasty. 1929.0430 1733 PRV_int_01 1926.0751 [Yeah.] 1926.3639 1734 PRV_int_01 1929.3913 Yeah. 1929.7368 1735 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1929.9214 Yeah. 1930.2243 1736 PRV_int_01 1930.5699 Alright. 1930.9060 1737 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1931.2231 /Let me open it for you./ 1932.2029 1738 PRV_int_01 1933.5567 So there was a- I'm sure there was like a water line at some- 1936.5746 1739 PRV_int_01 1936.5746 (pause 0.27) 1936.8444 1740 PRV_int_01 1936.8444 kind of mark where you could see 1938.1054 1741 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1938.1130 Yeah. 1938.4822 1742 PRV_int_01 1938.4396 after [the flood?] 1939.4809 1743 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1938.8609 [Oh yeah.] You can see it- you can still see it on the old town hall now. 1942.0492 1744 PRV_int_01 1942.0303 Yeah. 1942.3474 1745 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1942.3616 You know, so it was- it was just 1943.7627 1746 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1943.7627 (pause 0.68) 1944.4443 1747 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1944.4443 amazing. You can see it pretty high, no doubt about that. 1947.0416 1748 PRV_int_01 1947.3865 Okay. 1947.7415 1749 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1948.0066 So. 1948.3379 1750 PRV_int_01 1948.8397 But you say it's been- 1949.8195 1751 PRV_int_01 1949.8195 (pause 0.51) 1950.3307 1752 PRV_int_01 1950.3307 been doing pretty well in terms of [rebuilding?] 1952.1815 1753 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1951.4573 [Oh yeah, they on] the rise now. /??/ looking forward now to even bringing in more businesses now 1956.5295 1754 PRV_int_01 1956.5011 [Okay.] 1957.0171 1755 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1956.7425 [so] you know it's- it's on the rise. 1958.3898 1756 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1958.6264 So we just 1959.2500 1757 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1959.2500 (pause 0.24) 1959.4907 1758 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1959.4907 hope there's only one way and that's up for the town of Princeville. 1962.3591 1759 PRV_int_01 1962.5059 [Okay.] 1962.9792 1760 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1962.6715 [We just] have to hope that. 1963.7744 1761 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1964.3614 You know. 1964.7353 1762 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1964.7353 (pause 0.52) 1965.2540 1763 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1965.2540 We hope that it be true. 1966.3143 1764 PRV_int_01 1966.4610 Yeah. 1966.8586 1765 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1966.8728 Yeah. 1967.3225 1766 PRV_int_01 1968.0467 What are some of the- some of the ways that 1969.7791 1767 PRV_int_01 1969.7791 (pause 0.81) 1970.5886 1768 PRV_int_01 1970.5886 you can kind of see it's 1971.5664 1769 PRV_int_01 1971.5664 (pause 0.24) 1971.8031 1770 PRV_int_01 1971.8031 kind of coming back? 1972.8018 1771 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1973.1379 Um, 1973.7106 1772 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1973.7106 (pause 0.92) 1974.6289 1773 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1974.6289 well with the 1975.7271 1774 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1975.7271 (pause 0.30) 1976.0300 1775 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1976.0300 neighborhood that was flooded 1977.4007 1776 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1977.4007 (pause 0.51) 1977.9072 1777 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1977.9072 uh, think most of all those residents 1980.2218 1778 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1980.2218 (pause 1.42) 1981.6371 1779 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1981.6371 are back- 1982.1768 1780 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1982.1768 (pause 0.13) 1982.3093 1781 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1982.3093 are /new/. 1982.9625 1782 PRV_int_01 1983.1593 Sure. 1983.4481 1783 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1983.5995 You know, cause I don't think we- they didn't enter into the buyout program [to decide] to come back. So either 1987.8359 1784 PRV_int_01 1986.2076 [Mm.] 1986.4538 1785 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1988.2762 it's either your house or someone bought the house 1990.3805 1786 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1990.3805 (pause 0.40) 1990.7829 1787 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1990.7829 and someone- and something else /you did/ on the- on the lot in ninety days, so 1993.8888 1788 PRV_int_01 1993.8786 Hm. 1994.2052 1789 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1994.3188 um, 1994.6264 1790 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1994.6264 (pause 0.49) 1995.1120 1791 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1995.1120 actually look like the flood 1996.4894 1792 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1996.4894 (pause 0.21) 1996.7024 1793 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1996.7024 basically never happened. 1997.6302 1794 PRV_int_01 1997.7154 Really? 1998.0372 1795 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 1998.3875 And [you know when you look] around, look like a new town. 2000.2884 1796 PRV_int_01 1998.6242 [Yeah.] 1998.9224 1797 PRV_int_01 2000.2904 Yeah. 2000.5879 1798 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2000.8611 You know, so you ain't look like the flood just never happened. 2003.5734 1799 PRV_int_01 2003.7627 Mm-hm. 2004.1357 1800 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2004.2029 You know, so. But you know it did. 2005.8644 1801 PRV_int_01 2006.0584 [Yeah.] 2006.3756 1802 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2006.1389 [But] after so much new stuff around here like just a new 2008.9959 1803 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2009.2894 settlement. 2009.6633 1804 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2009.6633 (pause 0.18) 2009.8479 1805 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2009.8479 Like a new development. 2010.7993 1806 PRV_int_01 2010.7615 [Mm.] 2011.0739 1807 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2010.9319 [/??/] the new apartment building looks 2012.4560 1808 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2012.7617 beautiful. 2013.2256 1809 PRV_int_01 2013.5475 [Yeah.] 2013.8835 1810 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2013.5806 [You know] so it's just like, 2014.9344 1811 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2016.0088 everything you need. 2016.6857 1812 PRV_int_01 2016.8656 Yeah. 2017.1922 1813 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2017.1591 Someone now growing up would not even think of being- 2019.7273 1814 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2019.9309 uh, seeing /it/ this town actually like it looked. 2022.2171 1815 PRV_int_01 2022.3875 Mm-hm-hm. 2022.7899 1816 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2022.7236 You know, cause so everything is just so new. 2024.4869 1817 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2024.7164 And some of the businesses that wanted to come 2026.3379 1818 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2026.3379 (pause 0.33) 2026.6645 1819 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2026.6645 that was here before the flood, 2027.9615 1820 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2027.9615 (pause 0.44) 2028.3970 1821 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2028.3970 uh, either they came back or someone now taking their place 2031.3297 1822 PRV_int_01 2031.5143 [Okay.] 2031.8551 1823 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2031.5569 [in those] buildings, [so] 2032.7166 1824 PRV_int_01 2032.3332 [Okay.] 2032.8492 1825 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2032.8728 everything is back operation. 2034.1556 1826 PRV_int_01 2034.1982 Wow. 2034.4585 1827 PRV_int_01 2034.4585 (pause 0.46) 2034.9177 1828 PRV_int_01 2034.9177 [Okay.] 2035.2916 1829 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2035.0549 [Yeah.] 2035.2632 1830 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2035.5283 Everything is back to normal. 2036.6454 1831 PRV_int_01 2038.2811 And why- why do you think that is? How- 2039.8242 1832 PRV_int_01 2039.8242 (pause 0.25) 2040.0751 1833 PRV_int_01 2040.0751 why do you [think it-] 2040.7615 1834 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2040.4538 [That's a] good question. [] 2042.2809 1835 PRV_int_01 2041.4857 [] 2042.1484 1836 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2042.6974 I think 2043.2500 1837 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2043.2500 (pause 0.16) 2043.4149 1838 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2043.4149 one of the things that 2044.4326 1839 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2044.4326 (pause 0.16) 2044.5888 1840 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2044.5888 you know, is if- 2045.3888 1841 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2045.3888 (pause 0.65) 2046.0420 1842 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2046.0420 uh, 2046.6005 1843 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2046.6005 (pause 0.58) 2047.1780 1844 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2047.1780 when people had to- sometime hate to drive all the way across town 2049.7844 1845 PRV_int_01 2049.7463 Mm. 2050.0445 1846 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2050.1770 just to get a soda. 2051.1568 1847 PRV_int_01 2051.5402 Right. 2051.8242 1848 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2051.7864 Uh, if they put a business over here, 2053.5283 1849 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2053.7697 you know, maybe we can drive there 2055.2500 1850 PRV_int_01 2055.3960 [Mm.] 2055.6611 1851 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2055.4197 [and get] that soda. 2056.1533 1852 PRV_int_01 2056.3048 [Mm-hm.] 2056.7024 1853 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2056.5178 [You] know, so uh, that have a lot to do with it. [You know], if you- if you're closer, 2059.9874 1854 PRV_int_01 2058.4964 [Sure.] 2058.8467 1855 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2060.1862 I'm just gonna stop here. 2060.9909 1856 PRV_int_01 2061.1498 Yeah. 2061.4954 1857 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2061.5711 You know, so that has helped a lot. 2062.9864 1858 PRV_int_01 2063.1568 [Mm-hm.] 2063.5166 1859 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2063.1663 [You know] and then people just 2064.2311 1860 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2064.4538 got used to going to this location and those same people are still returning 2068.4941 1861 PRV_int_01 2068.6267 Mm-hm. 2069.0101 1862 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2069.0669 to those same stores. 2070.0609 1863 PRV_int_01 2070.1366 Mm-hm. 2070.6431 1864 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2070.7094 You know, so that's- that's the main thing. Just 2073.0288 1865 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2073.0288 (pause 0.33) 2073.3629 1866 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2073.3629 closer, just quick access. 2074.8255 1867 PRV_int_01 2074.9154 Mm-hm. 2075.3746 1868 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2075.6538 You know, I think that would be the key. 2077.0975 1869 PRV_int_01 2077.2916 Sure. 2077.6834 1870 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2077.6608 You know just quick access. 2078.9909 1871 PRV_int_01 2080.1439 Why- i- do- why- 2081.0432 1872 PRV_int_01 2081.0432 (pause 0.23) 2081.2752 1873 PRV_int_01 2081.2752 d- I mean, 2082.0846 1874 PRV_int_01 2082.0846 (pause 0.49) 2082.5721 1875 PRV_int_01 2082.5721 obviously 2083.1591 1876 PRV_int_01 2083.1591 (pause 1.05) 2084.2052 1877 PRV_int_01 2084.2052 people could have chosen to just kind of 2086.0871 1878 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2086.6314 [Yeah.] 2087.0101 1879 PRV_int_01 2086.7261 [not] move back. 2087.7580 1880 PRV_int_01 2088.1319 But uh- you say everyb- you know, a lot of people decided- 2090.9388 1881 PRV_int_01 2090.9388 (pause 0.28) 2091.2161 1882 PRV_int_01 2091.2161 almost, what? 2091.9403 1883 PRV_int_01 2091.9403 (pause 0.16) 2092.1013 1884 PRV_int_01 2092.1013 How many people- Is it close to where it was? The [population?] 2095.3626 1885 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2094.5343 [It is] back to close to where it [was.] I think we've had uh, think last night found out it was 2099.1095 1886 PRV_int_01 2096.2221 [Yeah.] 2096.5061 1887 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2099.8100 little over two thousand now, [about twenty] two hundred /??/ and it had like twenty five or twenty eight. 2105.0101 1888 PRV_int_01 2101.4667 [Wow.] 2101.8880 1889 PRV_int_01 2105.3036 Oh wow. 2105.7485 1890 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2105.7248 You know, so it's not far away 2107.1212 1891 PRV_int_01 2107.2111 Sure. 2107.5046 1892 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2107.4241 you know, from after being /a hundred since/. 2109.7699 1893 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2110.3237 And so that's- that's great. 2111.6775 1894 PRV_int_01 2111.7722 Yeah. 2112.0514 1895 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2112.0467 You know, that's great. I mean that's- that's shocking though. 2114.3140 1896 PRV_int_01 2114.3472 Yeah. 2114.6454 1897 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2114.7380 In- in 2115.4386 1898 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2115.4386 (pause 1.57) 2117.0054 1899 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2117.0054 two years. 2117.5970 1900 PRV_int_01 2118.0420 Yeah. 2118.3544 1901 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2118.3402 You know, [that's] shocking. I- I think a lot of 'em- 2120.6359 1902 PRV_int_01 2118.6763 [Yeah.] 2118.9508 1903 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2120.9842 well for one thing so many people own their own property over here. 2123.3144 1904 PRV_int_01 2123.3320 Mm-hm. 2123.6538 1905 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2123.6207 And they- and they just rather rebuild on their own property help cut down cost. 2127.1850 1906 PRV_int_01 2127.2919 Mm-hm. 2127.6847 1907 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2127.6469 Uh, Tarboro don't have it so much land [for you to go] to and a lot just 'em didn't wanna leave. 2131.3957 1908 PRV_int_01 2129.5118 [Yeah.] 2129.8716 1909 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2131.7318 I hear a lot of people say well call the job, you know, closer to their job, they didn't wanna go to another town, [so] 2136.6147 1910 PRV_int_01 2136.0846 [Mm-hm.] 2136.5958 1911 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2136.9650 you know, it was just convenient. It's just convenient 2138.8489 1912 PRV_int_01 2138.9512 [Really?] 2139.3013 1913 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2139.1498 [for] a lot of people right now. Somebody been on their job for ten years 2141.6775 1914 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2142.0609 won't move in- into another town, and drive back 2143.9922 1915 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2143.9922 (pause 0.18) 2144.1768 1916 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2144.1768 here Tarboro to their job. 2145.4528 1917 PRV_int_01 2145.4433 Okay. 2145.7747 1918 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2145.7699 You know, they just wont gonna do that. 2146.8018 1919 PRV_int_01 2146.9912 Okay. 2147.3982 1920 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2147.4976 Uh. 2147.9094 1921 PRV_int_01 2149.1969 Even if 2149.7602 1922 PRV_int_01 2149.7602 (pause 0.13) 2149.8880 1923 PRV_int_01 2149.8880 they weren't sure they was gonna be- 2151.2114 1924 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2151.3960 Yeah, 2151.7747 1925 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2151.7747 (pause 0.20) 2151.9735 1926 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2151.9735 you know, the risk will still be [there], but it just 2154.2834 1927 PRV_int_01 2153.3509 [Yeah.] 2153.5970 1928 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2155.2585 old /conveniency/. [You know, that's] all it was. You know, just more convenient for me to come back home. 2159.2941 1929 PRV_int_01 2156.2458 [Yeah.] 2156.5960 1930 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2159.5213 [ You know-] Yeah, it- yeah. 2161.6703 1931 PRV_int_01 2160.0704 [Yeah, roots.] 2160.9319 1932 PRV_int_01 2160.9319 (pause 0.53) 2161.4667 1933 PRV_int_01 2161.4667 [Root- 2161.7697 1934 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2161.8786 [Just come back-] Yep, your roots is here and what then, 2164.3001 1935 PRV_int_01 2161.9685 [your roots.] 2162.5412 1936 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2164.8776 I don't think a lot of people r- that's in this town realize the roots that this town really 2169.0288 1937 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2169.0288 (pause 0.28) 2169.3061 1938 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2169.3061 has. 2169.6847 1939 PRV_int_01 2169.6185 Yeah. 2169.9687 1940 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2170.4894 You know, [I mean] to be a part of town of this age, 2173.2774 1941 PRV_int_01 2170.8397 [Yeah.] 2171.1758 1942 PRV_int_01 2173.2916 Mm-hm. 2173.7176 1943 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2173.8123 you know, [and-] and it's- it's really, 2176.1107 1944 PRV_int_01 2174.4493 [Yeah.] 2174.7380 1945 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2176.3616 to me, an honor 2177.1900 1946 PRV_int_01 2177.4124 Sure. 2177.8574 1947 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2177.9615 you know, [to] be a part of that. And I- and I would guarantee you most people- Now these guys, their age know that, [but] 2183.4976 1948 PRV_int_01 2178.4349 [Yeah.] 2178.6857 1949 PRV_int_01 2178.6857 (pause 4.49) 2183.1805 1950 PRV_int_01 2183.1805 [Yeah.] 2183.5071 1951 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2183.8763 I guarantee you younger guys, the teenagers, 2185.9306 1952 PRV_int_01 2186.1673 Yeah. 2186.4134 1953 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2186.4134 don't real appreciate the roots and the history that the town has /?/ left behind, 2190.4775 1954 PRV_int_01 2190.4964 Yeah. 2190.7425 1955 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2190.7236 for them to have this piece of land, to know that slaves wanted to live here. 2193.8125 1956 PRV_int_01 2193.9119 You're right. 2194.3190 1957 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2194.4847 You know, and [they don't-] they don't know that. 2195.9331 1958 PRV_int_01 2194.8870 [Yeah.] 2195.2266 1959 PRV_int_01 2195.9568 Yeah. 2196.2881 1960 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2196.4254 You know, or the know it and don't appreciate it 2198.2856 1961 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2198.2856 (pause 0.33) 2198.6122 1962 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2198.6122 mentally like we do. 2199.6279 1963 PRV_int_01 2199.8220 Sure. 2200.1439 1964 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2200.2385 You know, they don't- they don't do that. All they /looking at/ is 2202.1272 1965 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2202.1272 (pause 0.42) 2202.5485 1966 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2202.5485 football game Friday night, [you know (laughing). ] You know, I got a- uh, a date but they don't- 2207.8100 1967 PRV_int_01 2203.7365 [Right right right.] 2204.9578 1968 PRV_int_01 2207.8621 Yeah. 2208.1508 1969 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2208.1556 they don't know that. 2208.7615 1970 PRV_int_01 2208.9839 And maybe uh, they- they- 2210.4182 1971 PRV_int_01 2210.4182 (pause 0.56) 2210.9747 1972 PRV_int_01 2210.9747 as they get a little bit older, they [/?/-] 2212.3379 1973 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2211.9687 [Then they'll] probably look back on it same as we do cause nowadays you know, younger people have that 2216.1152 1974 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2216.6312 uh, different type mind than- 2217.9261 1975 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2217.9261 (pause 0.17) 2218.0918 1976 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2218.0918 than- than- 2218.8255 1977 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2218.8255 (pause 0.32) 2219.1474 1978 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2219.1474 the older [generation at that] time, you know, /unintelligible/. 2221.7697 1979 PRV_int_01 2219.9189 [Sure.] 2220.4112 1980 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2222.2931 But um, 2222.7901 1981 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2222.7901 (pause 0.25) 2223.0362 1982 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2223.0362 you know, that just- 2223.7605 1983 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2223.7605 (pause 0.15) 2223.9119 1984 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2223.9119 that's true. 2224.4089 1985 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2224.4089 (pause 0.21) 2224.6219 1986 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2224.6219 And I'm beginning to now 2225.7343 1987 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2225.7343 (pause 0.78) 2226.5106 1988 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2226.5106 soak in the fact that 2227.8833 1989 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2227.8833 (pause 0.36) 2228.2383 1990 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2228.2383 you know, the oldest black town chartered by American is- 2230.9912 1991 PRV_int_01 2231.1190 Mm. 2231.3651 1992 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2231.4787 it's- it- 2231.9994 1993 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2231.9994 (pause 0.36) 2232.3591 1994 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2232.3591 when you have the /faith/ that's- that's amazing. 2234.0158 1995 PRV_int_01 2234.0632 [Mm-hm.] 2234.4466 1996 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2234.2762 [You know] to- to be here and be a part of that is actually amazing. 2237.5970 1997 PRV_int_01 2237.6160 Yeah. 2237.8810 1998 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2238.1224 You know? 2238.5343 1999 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2238.5343 (pause 0.62) 2239.1543 2000 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2239.1543 Uh, so maybe someone will wanna come through here as a tour site. 2241.9573 2001 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2241.9573 (pause 0.16) 2242.1155 2002 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2242.1155 And that's what they're working on is you know, make it so that people wanna come see this town. 2245.4951 2003 PRV_int_01 2245.5661 Yeah. 2245.9259 2004 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2246.0111 You know, to know that so, I think 2247.9013 2005 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2247.9013 (pause 0.47) 2248.3663 2006 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2248.3663 uh, 2248.7782 2007 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2248.7782 (pause 0.34) 2249.1190 2008 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2249.1190 it's possible 2249.9047 2009 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2249.9047 (pause 0.22) 2250.1272 2010 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2250.1272 you know, /as many/ 2250.8277 2011 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2250.8277 (pause 0.33) 2251.1543 2012 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2251.1543 you know, 2251.6371 2013 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2251.6371 (pause 1.07) 2252.7069 2014 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2252.7069 Black Americans /ought to- should/ at least ride [through at some] point in time one day to just say they- they've been here. 2258.0300 2015 PRV_int_01 2255.1710 [Sure.] 2255.5355 2016 PRV_int_01 2258.0442 Yeah. 2258.2856 2017 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2258.5203 You know, cause there's a lot a lot of roots here. 2260.2764 2018 PRV_int_01 2260.3427 Mm-hm. 2260.7119 2019 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2260.8539 You know. 2261.3509 2020 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2261.3509 (pause 0.49) 2261.8384 2021 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2261.8384 /I say/ 2262.4301 2022 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2262.4301 (pause 0.54) 2262.9745 2023 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2262.9745 hope that they'll- they'll do that. 2264.1200 2024 PRV_int_01 2264.4134 Yeah. 2264.6785 2025 PRV_int_01 2264.6785 (pause 0.92) 2265.5948 2026 PRV_int_01 2265.5948 When did you 2266.3143 2027 PRV_int_01 2266.3143 (pause 0.12) 2266.4326 2028 PRV_int_01 2266.4326 become aware- you said, you know, being younger probably didn't 2269.2064 2029 PRV_int_01 2269.2064 (pause 0.47) 2269.6750 2030 PRV_int_01 2269.6750 really appreciate it. When did you 2271.1735 2031 PRV_int_01 2271.1735 (pause 0.43) 2271.5995 2032 PRV_int_01 2271.5995 start to appreciate the- 2272.8302 2033 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2273.5260 2273.9331 2034 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2273.9331 (pause 0.64) 2274.5721 2035 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2274.5721 Actually probably when I was- 2276.1673 2036 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2276.1673 (pause 0.85) 2277.0220 2037 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2277.0220 I would say thirty. 2277.8788 2038 PRV_int_01 2278.1107 Okay. 2278.4989 2039 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2278.4326 I started to- 2279.0764 2040 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2279.4503 to realize then that at- 2280.9719 2041 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2280.9719 (pause 0.42) 2281.3957 2042 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2281.3957 when you're on your own you start looking back into 2283.3723 2043 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2283.3723 (pause 0.13) 2283.5001 2044 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2283.5001 the- the days now saying, you know, well, uh, yeah, I start hearing this about what the town is 2287.7933 2045 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2287.7933 (pause 0.50) 2288.2951 2046 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2288.2951 this and town is oldest this and that and [started] saying, what do you mean the oldest? Cause I didn't know that. [You know], so if you're the oldest 2293.8028 2047 PRV_int_01 2290.3805 [Yeah.] 2290.6267 2048 PRV_int_01 2290.6267 (pause 1.94) 2292.5627 2049 PRV_int_01 2292.5627 [Mm-hm.] 2292.8893 2050 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2294.2572 town, this and that, you [know, you gotta] think about everything you do 2297.2700 2051 PRV_int_01 2295.5001 [Mm.] 2295.7605 2052 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2297.7864 uh, is pretty much the first. 2299.1543 2053 PRV_int_01 2299.3579 Right. 2299.7933 2054 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2299.8359 You know, so the first 2300.7522 2055 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2300.7522 (pause 0.46) 2301.2114 2056 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2301.2114 fire chief or the first police chief is the very first one of the oldest town in the- [ you know (laughing) so] you just, you know, I won't be the first anything, but /you're asked/ to be a part of [that-] 2309.9804 2057 PRV_int_01 2304.8561 [Right. Right. Right.] 2306.2430 2058 PRV_int_01 2306.2430 (pause 3.65) 2309.8952 2059 PRV_int_01 2309.8952 [Oh] yeah. 2310.2644 2060 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2310.2692 that history will be- 2311.1733 2061 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2311.1733 (pause 0.32) 2311.4951 2062 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2311.4951 is- is- is an honor. 2312.5081 2063 PRV_int_01 2312.6102 Yeah. 2312.9368 2064 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2313.0126 You know, to me, it- it- it's great. 2314.6108 2065 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2314.6108 (pause 0.39) 2314.9959 2066 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2314.9959 You know, and I think it should be 2316.0562 2067 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2316.0562 (pause 0.27) 2316.3260 2068 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2316.3260 an honor to anyone 2317.3247 2069 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2317.3247 (pause 0.19) 2317.5188 2070 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2317.5188 to be a part of a town with that kind of history behind it, whether it was 2320.5462 2071 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2320.5462 (pause 0.43) 2320.9770 2072 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2320.9770 black or white or whatever, it should be- it's- it's good to be a part of 2323.8738 2073 PRV_int_01 2323.9117 Mm-hm. [Yeah.] 2324.4655 2074 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2324.2856 [something] to that- [to that] level. 2325.7747 2075 PRV_int_01 2324.9794 [Mm.] 2325.2871 2076 PRV_int_01 2325.2871 (pause 0.47) 2325.7557 2077 PRV_int_01 2325.7557 Yeah. 2326.1013 2078 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2326.4705 You know. 2326.8160 2079 PRV_int_01 2328.2786 You said ev- everything you do has some- 2330.5507 2080 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2330.8469 Oh yeah. [Yeah, it's some- some sort of] 2332.9438 2081 PRV_int_01 2331.2114 [some- something a little more special to it.] [Yeah.] 2333.4172 2082 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2333.1474 [specialty] to it because it's the oldest [and the] first. 2335.8833 2083 PRV_int_01 2335.2443 [Yeah.] 2335.5141 2084 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2336.3756 You know, just like 2337.3155 2085 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2337.3155 (pause 0.24) 2337.5569 2086 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2337.5569 you can take a movie star /that's/ from Princeville and you won't look at 'em the same when they come back to Princeville as you would if you take somebody from another state. 2344.6975 2087 PRV_int_01 2344.6409 Yeah. 2344.9438 2088 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2344.9864 And I don't know if that's mental or [what] but 2346.9366 2089 PRV_int_01 2346.3307 [Right.] 2346.6195 2090 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2347.3721 um, if I weren't from Princeville and visit here I'll be 2350.2101 2091 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2350.2101 (pause 0.33) 2350.5415 2092 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2350.5415 more appreciative that fact that 2352.1934 2093 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2352.1934 (pause 0.43) 2352.6203 2094 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2352.6203 I'm here in the- in the oldest town in America- 2354.7590 2095 PRV_int_01 2354.8063 Y- [Right.] 2355.2500 2096 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2354.9700 [black] town and so you know but 2356.3521 2097 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2356.5225 to know that now I grew up in this area and [I'm part] of this area now I appreciate it even more. 2360.3850 2098 PRV_int_01 2358.4396 [Hm.] 2358.6715 2099 PRV_int_01 2360.5365 Sure. 2360.8726 2100 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2361.0646 You know, I appreciate it more. 2362.1486 2101 PRV_int_01 2362.3853 Yeah. 2362.6787 2102 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2362.6030 And that's why I kind of wanted you to speak to some of the older guys 2365.2443 2103 PRV_int_01 2365.3673 Sure. 2365.7507 2104 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2365.6703 while they were still young. 2366.5980 2105 PRV_int_01 2366.6244 [] 2368.3427 2106 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2366.9889 [You know? ] 2368.6361 2107 misc 2368.7498 [/inaudible/] 2369.7390 2108 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2368.8539 [ While /Milton's/ still young.] 2370.1556 2109 PRV_int_01 2369.6917 [Yeah.] 2370.0940 2110 misc 2370.4585 How you gonna do that? 2371.1354 2111 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2371.1827 [] 2372.9104 2112 PRV_int_01 2371.1875 [] 2372.9483 2113 misc 2372.1484 [/inaudible/] 2373.7226 2114 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2373.5238 [] 2374.4894 2115 PRV_int_01 2373.7164 [] 2374.6318 2116 misc 2374.8988 [/inaudible/] 2375.9662 2117 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2374.9675 [Oh man.] 2375.7296 2118 PRV_int_01 2376.2218 [Oh] right right. 2377.1212 2119 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2376.3260 [] 2376.5958 2120 PRV_int_01 2377.8359 Well yeah yeah. So uh, 2379.6989 2121 misc 2379.6942 Okay. 2379.9829 2122 PRV_int_01 2380.7498 yeah definitely. We wanna talk to everybody and- and- and record the- 2384.4134 2123 PRV_int_01 2384.4134 (pause 0.48) 2384.8895 2124 PRV_int_01 2384.8895 as much as we can 2385.9829 2125 PRV_int_01 2385.9829 (pause 0.17) 2386.1533 2126 PRV_int_01 2386.1533 of the history. 2386.9486 2127 misc 2386.9533 /?/ 2387.3414 2128 PRV_int_01 2387.9426 Um, 2388.2929 2129 PRV_int_01 2388.2929 (pause 0.81) 2389.1070 2130 PRV_int_01 2389.1070 but you- now you say uh, 2390.5933 2131 PRV_int_01 2390.5933 (pause 0.68) 2391.2729 2132 PRV_int_01 2391.2729 you been here for- 2392.1817 2133 PRV_int_01 2392.1817 (pause 0.54) 2392.7261 2134 PRV_int_01 2392.7261 for 2393.1237 2135 PRV_int_01 2393.1237 (pause 0.31) 2393.4361 2136 PRV_int_01 2393.4361 about- let's say 2394.5201 2137 PRV_int_01 2394.5201 (pause 0.31) 2394.8325 2138 PRV_int_01 2394.8325 thirty years? 2395.4194 2139 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2395.3011 About thirty [years.] 2396.0584 2140 PRV_int_01 2395.8407 [About] thirty years? 2396.6501 2141 PRV_int_01 2397.1925 Um, 2397.6185 2142 PRV_int_01 2397.6185 (pause 0.45) 2398.0681 2143 PRV_int_01 2398.0681 and uh, you seen the flood and uh, 2400.7288 2144 PRV_int_01 2400.7288 (pause 0.62) 2401.3531 2145 PRV_int_01 2401.3531 a lot of different things happening in Princeville? 2403.3723 2146 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2403.7652 Uh, 2404.1249 2147 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2404.1249 (pause 0.14) 2404.2669 2148 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2404.2669 yeah. 2404.6503 2149 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2404.6503 (pause 0.15) 2404.7971 2150 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2404.7971 [] 2405.1095 2151 PRV_int_01 2404.8302 [] 2405.1379 2152 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2405.3982 Government wise. 2407.0549 2153 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2407.0549 (pause 0.36) 2407.4147 2154 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2407.4147 I seen some good days and some- [and some] tough days. [I won't-] I won't use the word bad, I just say 2411.7911 2155 PRV_int_01 2408.9984 [Yeah.] 2409.2871 2156 PRV_int_01 2409.2871 (pause 0.57) 2409.8551 2157 PRV_int_01 2409.8551 [Yeah.] 2410.1912 2158 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2411.9946 tough days. 2412.6668 2159 PRV_int_01 2412.6479 Okay. 2413.0975 2160 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2413.0975 Uh, so uh, seen 'em come through 2415.1897 2161 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2415.5617 some- some dark cloud. 2416.9154 2162 PRV_int_01 2417.0527 Yeah. 2417.3462 2163 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2417.3651 You know, I- I seen some times when you think the town is really going 2420.5696 2164 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2420.5696 (pause 0.39) 2420.9558 2165 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2420.9558 under, 2421.4670 2166 PRV_int_01 2421.7273 Yeah. 2421.9829 2167 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2422.1107 you know, came out. 2423.0196 2168 PRV_int_01 2423.1852 Yeah. 2423.4645 2169 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2423.4882 You know, and- and with flying colors. 2424.9934 2170 PRV_int_01 2425.0786 Okay. 2425.5283 2171 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2425.4904 And I wanna continue to see that 2426.8158 2172 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2426.9558 [you know], um- 2427.8930 2173 PRV_int_01 2426.9889 [Yeah.] 2427.2966 2174 PRV_int_01 2428.2527 Like [uh-] 2428.7592 2175 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2428.3853 [/?/] 2428.7071 2176 PRV_int_01 2429.0811 like- like what- what times are you [referring to?] 2431.5669 2177 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2431.2301 [Uh], I remember probably 2433.2019 2178 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2433.8031 about 2434.5131 2179 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2434.5131 (pause 2.61) 2437.1259 2180 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2437.1259 eight to nine years ago when- How long it been since /RD-NAME-2/ 2439.7226 2181 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2439.7226 (pause 0.38) 2440.1060 2182 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2440.1060 been gone? 2440.5367 2183 misc 2441.4284 It hasn't been that long. 2442.3733 2184 misc 2442.3733 (pause 0.43) 2442.8041 2185 misc 2442.8041 Five- 2443.2064 2186 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2443.1733 Five years? 2443.7460 2187 misc 2443.3957 [/Round/ about five years. 2444.4844 2188 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2444.4304 About five years the town was really really 2446.5699 2189 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2447.0764 in a financial bind 2448.1887 2190 PRV_int_01 2448.2550 Really? 2448.5201 2191 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2448.5343 and uh, 2449.1354 2192 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2449.1354 (pause 0.58) 2449.7129 2193 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2449.7129 in my opinion it was sort of under some 2451.7557 2194 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2451.7557 (pause 0.68) 2452.4326 2195 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2452.4326 very very poor management. 2454.0230 2196 PRV_int_01 2454.2786 Mm-hm. 2454.6763 2197 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2454.8041 And uh, 2455.4383 2198 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2455.4383 (pause 0.26) 2455.6939 2199 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2455.6939 sort of 2456.2383 2200 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2456.2383 (pause 1.17) 2457.4102 2201 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2457.4102 had everybody concerned, 2458.3970 2202 PRV_int_01 2458.5320 Yeah. 2458.7924 2203 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2459.0243 you know, and luckily the state did even- have to come in and step in to help with get the town back on track but 2464.2859 2204 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2464.2859 (pause 0.50) 2464.7876 2205 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2464.7876 um, 2465.2941 2206 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2465.2941 (pause 0.20) 2465.4976 2207 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2465.4976 you know, we don't wanna see that. 2466.5674 2208 PRV_int_01 2466.8325 [Mkay.] 2467.1969 2209 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2467.0265 [You know], we wanna be able to run our own [town and] handle our own business like [that.] 2470.4279 2210 PRV_int_01 2468.7096 [Sure.] 2469.0504 2211 PRV_int_01 2469.0504 (pause 1.06) 2470.1060 2212 PRV_int_01 2470.1060 [Mm-hm.] 2470.4326 2213 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2470.6551 Accept the money from the state, 2471.9520 2214 PRV_int_01 2472.2408 Right. 2472.5248 2215 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2472.4254 you know, but let us 2473.1875 2216 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2473.3910 spend our own money (laughing). 2474.5128 2217 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2474.5128 (pause 0.36) 2474.8753 2218 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2474.8753 So we wanna- we wanna see that and 2476.8870 2219 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2476.8870 (pause 0.22) 2477.1048 2220 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2477.1048 uh, 2477.5355 2221 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2477.5355 (pause 0.21) 2477.7485 2222 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2477.7485 we- so we- we're there now. 2479.4099 2223 PRV_int_01 2479.6087 [Yeah.] 2479.9212 2224 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2479.7744 [You know] we- we still got some- 2481.2493 2225 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2481.8267 some I guess they say rocky roads or tough bridges to try to cross over now, but it's- it's gonna get there. 2487.1635 2226 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2487.1635 (pause 0.22) 2487.3865 2227 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2487.3865 [It- it's] gonna get there. 2488.5557 2228 PRV_int_01 2487.4007 [Yeah.] 2487.7605 2229 PRV_int_01 2489.1095 What uh, what do you remember about that time- those times and- 2492.1673 2230 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2492.2241 Um, 2492.7637 2231 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2492.7637 (pause 0.34) 2493.1025 2232 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2493.1025 well I remember the employees 2494.3758 2233 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2494.3758 (pause 0.25) 2494.6219 2234 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2494.6219 quitting, 2495.0764 2235 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2495.0764 (pause 0.37) 2495.4456 2236 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2495.4456 um, going on strike because they were- 2497.0502 2237 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2497.0502 (pause 0.16) 2497.2064 2238 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2497.2064 they felt they was being treated unfairly [at- on] his administration. 2500.3474 2239 PRV_int_01 2498.8706 [Really?] 2499.2635 2240 PRV_int_01 2500.5178 Okay. 2500.9082 2241 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2500.8776 Uh, 2501.3320 2242 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2501.4834 I think everyone quit on his administration except for one person. 2504.7779 2243 PRV_int_01 2504.9700 Really? 2505.3250 2244 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2505.3439 And that was one of his police officers. [His] fire chief 2507.4834 2245 PRV_int_01 2506.5699 [Oh.] 2506.8539 2246 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2507.6822 quit. 2507.9757 2247 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2507.9757 (pause 0.50) 2508.4775 2248 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2508.4775 People under him quit. 2509.5567 2249 PRV_int_01 2509.7744 Oh [really?] 2510.2146 2250 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2510.0348 [Um], 2510.5602 2251 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2511.0836 the police chief 2511.6611 2252 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2511.6611 (pause 0.69) 2512.3521 2253 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2512.3521 quit 2512.6503 2254 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2512.6503 (pause 0.21) 2512.8586 2255 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2512.8586 [and all] his staff quit, [except for] one, so. 2515.2963 2256 PRV_int_01 2512.8870 [Yeah.] 2513.1237 2257 PRV_int_01 2513.1237 (pause 1.15) 2514.2786 2258 PRV_int_01 2514.2786 [Wow.] 2514.5769 2259 PRV_int_01 2515.3105 Wow. 2515.6608 2260 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2515.6466 Um, 2516.0774 2261 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2516.3140 all the- I think every /? one of/ the town employees um, are new 2519.5402 2262 PRV_int_01 2519.9804 Oh [okay.] 2520.5769 2263 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2520.2171 [from his administration] though, so. 2521.8217 2264 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2522.2667 Uh, it was just in uh, turmoil. 2523.7949 2265 PRV_int_01 2523.9735 [Yeah.] 2524.2149 2266 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2523.9971 [You] know, just people felt like he weren't 2526.0325 2267 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2526.4538 really concerned about the town 2527.7081 2268 PRV_int_01 2527.8075 Mm-hm. 2528.2525 2269 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2528.2572 and uh, 2529.3487 2270 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2529.3487 (pause 0.23) 2529.5806 2271 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2529.5806 the way that it was being handled and it was- it was sad because the newspaper spoke about it 2533.4383 2272 PRV_int_01 2533.8491 [Mm.] 2534.1524 2273 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2533.8541 [and] it seem like Princeville is- is sometime in my opinion, seem like we sort of- 2537.7845 2274 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2538.4619 if there's an inch of negativity, people take it and make /another/ mountain. 2541.8991 2275 PRV_int_01 2541.9243 Right. 2542.3186 2276 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2542.3034 You know, so uh, they- they fail to sometime report the positive things that goes on in the town. 2547.2145 2277 PRV_int_01 2547.2903 Yeah. 2547.5791 2278 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2547.6644 And I wanna see more positive things reported 2549.7397 2279 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2549.7397 (pause 0.24) 2549.9773 2280 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2549.9773 than negative things about Princeville. [Cause there are] some 2552.3506 2281 PRV_int_01 2551.6251 [Yeah.] 2552.0194 2282 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2553.0151 positive things in people over here. 2554.6023 2283 PRV_int_01 2554.8652 Right. 2555.1432 2284 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2555.3504 You know, [and don't] forget those people. 2556.9304 2285 PRV_int_01 2555.7527 [Sure.] 2556.0762 2286 PRV_int_01 2557.0113 [Okay.] 2557.3991 2287 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2557.2236 [You know], everybody's not out to 2558.6591 2288 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2559.3466 uh, 2559.8065 2289 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2559.8065 (pause 0.57) 2560.3777 2290 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2560.3777 bring the town down or- or- or we out to make sure that whatever bad we can 2564.5558 2291 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2564.5558 (pause 0.19) 2564.7422 2292 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2564.7422 /help do/ this, you know, make it better. 2566.4014 2293 PRV_int_01 2566.4261 Mm-hm. 2566.8102 2294 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2566.8456 You know, but um, you either wanna be a part of the team, 2569.3203 2295 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2569.3203 (pause 0.15) 2569.4669 2296 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2569.4669 or you just wait for the team. 2570.8721 2297 PRV_int_01 2570.8316 Right. 2571.2057 2298 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2571.1096 You know, but don't make it worse. 2572.0498 2299 PRV_int_01 2572.1913 Right. 2572.5351 2300 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2572.5553 You know, [so that's-] that's my philosophy, you [know], just try to 2575.5982 2301 PRV_int_01 2573.0607 [Yeah.] 2573.3185 2302 PRV_int_01 2573.3185 (pause 1.30) 2574.6176 2303 PRV_int_01 2574.6176 [Sure.] 2574.9259 2304 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2575.9802 come in, do whatever I can do to help. 2577.5421 2305 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2577.5421 (pause 0.20) 2577.7443 2306 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2577.7443 [Help the] town 2578.4166 2307 PRV_int_01 2577.7544 [Yeah.] 2577.9970 2308 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2578.5884 uh, grow. 2579.0790 2309 PRV_int_01 2579.1849 Yeah. 2579.5286 2310 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2579.6550 You know, 2580.0897 2311 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2580.0897 (pause 0.49) 2580.5800 2312 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2580.5800 so that was a sad day to remember, but um, he was a tough- 2583.9140 2313 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2583.9140 (pause 0.38) 2584.2981 2314 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2584.2981 tough character. 2584.8895 2315 PRV_int_01 2585.0311 Yeah. 2585.4253 2316 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2585.4809 You know, and eventually they had to come in and uh, remove him 2588.3802 2317 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2588.3802 (pause 0.59) 2588.9716 2318 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2588.9716 through uh- through the state 2590.2100 2319 PRV_int_01 2590.2959 [Yeah.] 2590.6801 2320 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2590.5689 [and] charge him. 2591.2664 2321 PRV_int_01 2591.7315 [Wow.] 2592.2571 2322 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2591.7618 [You know] 2592.2268 2323 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2592.4442 so that's- that's that. 2593.6734 2324 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2593.6734 (pause 0.64) 2594.3144 2325 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2594.3144 They say but we- you know, that- that had to happen. 2596.3645 2326 PRV_int_01 2596.5313 Yeah. 2596.8902 2327 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2596.9862 You know, but uh, they eventually charged him with some, uh, things that 2600.1707 2328 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2600.1707 (pause 0.24) 2600.4082 2329 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2600.4082 he shouldn't have been doing. 2601.3383 2330 PRV_int_01 2601.3817 Yeah. 2601.7102 2331 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2601.9680 You know, so we don't wanna cross those bridges. 2604.0114 2332 PRV_int_01 2604.0303 Right. 2604.3235 2333 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2604.4903 You know. 2604.9958 2334 PRV_int_01 2605.8905 What uh- 2606.6739 2335 PRV_int_01 2606.6739 (pause 0.55) 2607.2278 2336 PRV_int_01 2607.2278 what- 2607.4704 2337 PRV_int_01 2607.4704 (pause 0.56) 2608.0265 2338 PRV_int_01 2608.0265 so that was back in the eighties? 2609.4216 2339 PRV_int_01 2609.4216 (pause 0.27) 2609.6895 2340 PRV_int_01 2609.6895 [Say-] 2610.0635 2341 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2609.8512 [That was] back in- 2611.2867 2342 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2611.8377 was it the eighties? Or late- [had to] have been the [late eighties?] Nineties yeah. 2614.9139 2343 misc 2612.9093 [/Ninety/.] 2613.2480 2344 misc 2613.2480 (pause 0.26) 2613.5108 2345 misc 2613.5108 [/Or the/ nineties. 2614.2770 2346 PRV_int_01 2615.0150 [Earl-] 2615.2829 2347 misc 2615.0453 [/Inaudible/] 2616.4050 2348 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2615.7378 [We're only talking about five] years ago. [That's- that's, uh, ninety-five, ninety-six.] 2618.6004 2349 PRV_int_01 2616.7589 [Oh wow, okay. That was five-] 2618.1893 2350 misc 2617.7627 [ninety-six, ninety] seven. 2618.9678 2351 PRV_int_01 2619.3266 Oh okay. 2619.8018 2352 misc 2619.6956 [Ninety-eight.] 2620.1101 2353 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2619.8624 [So] that's- 2620.4315 2354 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2620.7145 That's not a [long time ago. ] 2622.8072 2355 misc 2621.2554 [Ninety-seven- ninety-six.] It was ninety-six isn't it? 2623.3683 2356 PRV_int_01 2622.0136 [Right right.] 2622.7718 2357 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2624.7836 Ninety-six, okay. Yeah so that's not a long long time ago. 2627.7081 2358 PRV_int_01 2627.8092 Right. 2628.1074 2359 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2628.1630 But we hope he's long gone. 2629.2094 2360 PRV_int_01 2629.5632 Yeah. 2629.8867 2361 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2630.0586 You know. 2630.5944 2362 PRV_int_01 2631.1049 What was the- 2631.6609 2363 PRV_int_01 2631.6609 (pause 0.28) 2631.9389 2364 PRV_int_01 2631.9389 was the quality of life was a little bit harder back then or there was a lot of- 2635.9856 2365 PRV_int_01 2635.9856 (pause 0.62) 2636.6023 2366 PRV_int_01 2636.6023 the economy wasn't that good or? 2638.3107 2367 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2638.3360 Uh, 2638.9072 2368 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2638.9072 (pause 0.43) 2639.3419 2369 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2639.3419 I don't know who was president back during that time. 2641.2858 2370 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2641.2858 (pause 0.69) 2641.9733 2371 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2641.9733 But it was good [though.] 2642.9033 2372 PRV_int_01 2642.6001 [It was] pretty [good?] 2643.4897 2373 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2643.2673 [It was /??/.] 2643.8587 2374 misc 2643.2976 [/inaudible/] 2645.0617 2375 PRV_int_01 2644.2782 [That was-] 2644.6775 2376 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2645.1072 [They say the] economy was good but the morale was coming down. 2647.5667 2377 PRV_int_01 2645.1122 [Oh yeah.] 2645.6025 2378 PRV_int_01 2645.6025 (pause 1.94) 2647.5465 2379 PRV_int_01 2647.5465 Really? 2647.8245 2380 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2647.8295 With all the administration problem that [was going on, but the morale] was certainly coming down, but /and/ [but.] 2652.3571 2381 PRV_int_01 2649.4976 [Ah, okay.] 2650.3417 2382 PRV_int_01 2650.3417 (pause 1.64) 2651.9773 2383 PRV_int_01 2651.9773 [Yeah.] 2652.4171 2384 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2652.7557 Uh, people attacked. 2653.7970 2385 PRV_int_01 2653.9234 Yeah. 2654.3075 2386 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2654.4187 You know, that was happening back then. 2655.9705 2387 PRV_int_01 2656.1474 [Uh-huh.] 2656.4869 2388 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2656.1575 [and so] but now 2657.2797 2389 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2657.8357 it's gonna hit the administration. I think the town started- I think more people started coming to the meeting 2661.5437 2390 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2661.5437 (pause 0.52) 2662.0593 2391 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2662.0593 than they ever have in a long time. 2663.5185 2392 PRV_int_01 2663.5151 Yeah. 2663.7577 2393 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2663.7425 And you done had a- 2664.6271 2394 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2665.0293 some kind of meeting with four or five people, and then so when this happened, a hundred. 2668.0065 2395 PRV_int_01 2668.1279 Mm. 2668.5019 2396 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2668.7294 You know, everybody was- was /??/ more people than what the building could hold. 2671.4791 2397 PRV_int_01 2671.6842 [Wow.] 2672.2099 2398 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2671.8359 [That's how] concerned that people were 2673.4584 2399 PRV_int_01 2673.5241 [Yeah.] 2673.9285 2400 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2673.6101 [/to/] what's going on with- with the town at the time. 2675.5511 2401 PRV_int_01 2675.5460 [Okay.] 2676.0566 2402 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2675.7937 [And so] when /RD-NAME-4/ 2677.0675 2403 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2677.4719 a /negative/ 2678.1593 2404 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2678.1593 (pause 0.26) 2678.4200 2405 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2678.4200 strike against the town I can say that we'll rally together. 2680.9120 2406 PRV_int_01 2681.1546 Really? 2681.4882 2407 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2681.6651 Yeah they would come together, try to- 2683.1057 2408 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2683.1057 (pause 0.50) 2683.6011 2409 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2683.6011 it's something about their problem. 2684.5716 2410 PRV_int_01 2684.7363 Yeah. 2685.0042 2411 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2684.9839 [] The problem must be removed. 2687.1069 2412 PRV_int_01 2685.2367 [/Okay./] 2685.6411 2413 PRV_int_01 2687.2535 [Yeah.] 2687.6427 2414 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2687.2586 [You know] they will do that. 2688.3504 2415 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2688.6688 [/Yeah/], they will do that. 2689.4321 2416 PRV_int_01 2688.6840 [Yeah.] 2688.9317 2417 PRV_int_01 2690.0690 And it's- it's a s- a smaller town so 2692.4577 2418 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2692.3667 Oh yeah. 2692.8014 2419 PRV_int_01 2692.9227 people kind of 2693.6405 2420 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2694.1915 [A town] this size should not have this kind of problem. 2696.3144 2421 PRV_int_01 2694.2167 [know what-] 2694.5857 2422 PRV_int_01 2696.4610 Yeah. 2696.7289 2423 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2697.6366 You know, that should be /??/ problem such as 2699.8102 2424 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2699.8102 (pause 0.65) 2700.4622 2425 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2700.4622 um, 2700.9273 2426 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2700.9273 (pause 0.30) 2701.2255 2427 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2701.2255 2701.8320 2428 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2701.8320 (pause 0.26) 2702.0949 2429 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2702.0949 well I crashed my car so [] 2704.0649 2430 PRV_int_01 2703.2958 [] 2704.1399 2431 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2704.3320 it shouldn't be management management [constantly.] You know it just 2707.7490 2432 PRV_int_01 2706.2780 [Right.] 2706.7178 2433 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2708.0169 people sometimes- 2708.9874 2434 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2708.9874 (pause 0.34) 2709.3311 2435 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2709.3311 uh, 2709.8062 2436 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2709.8062 (pause 0.17) 2709.9810 2437 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2709.9810 I would like to see the town give people more of a 2711.8664 2438 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2711.8664 (pause 0.46) 2712.3231 2439 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2712.3231 expansion time frame to 2713.9759 2440 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2713.9759 (pause 0.24) 2714.2135 2441 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2714.2135 see what they can and cannot do than to judge 'em on the first month or so and- 2717.7670 2442 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2717.7670 (pause 0.34) 2718.1056 2443 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2718.1056 [and go that] route. I would like to see people give people more time to 2720.7168 2444 PRV_int_01 2718.1187 [Mm-hm.] 2718.4858 2445 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2721.1060 you know, to see what they can do. 2722.3798 2446 PRV_int_01 2722.5567 Yeah. 2722.8650 2447 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2723.1077 You know we- we have short tempers. 2724.7555 2448 PRV_int_01 2725.1274 Sure. 2725.4884 2449 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2725.6278 You know we don't have a- you don't show, 2727.3464 2450 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2727.3464 (pause 0.31) 2727.6598 2451 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2727.6598 you got to go. 2728.1906 2452 PRV_int_01 2728.3169 [Okay. ] 2729.4138 2453 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2728.5090 [You know? ] So- 2730.3590 2454 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2730.7764 so we need to kind of 2732.3434 2455 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2732.3434 (pause 0.38) 2732.7225 2456 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2732.7225 ease off of that some. Give people more- more time to get themselves together. 2736.1293 2457 PRV_int_01 2736.2153 Yeah. 2736.6601 2458 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2736.7359 You know, cause if you come in on a bad ship, 2738.5838 2459 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2738.5838 (pause 0.21) 2738.7910 2460 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2738.7910 ship not gonna 2739.6150 2461 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2739.6150 (pause 0.32) 2739.9385 2462 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2739.9385 become a good ship over night. 2741.4347 2463 PRV_int_01 2741.4347 Right. 2741.8340 2464 PRV_se0_ag2_m_02 2742.0715 You know and we- 2742.8399