Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 ROC_int_01 0.2918 Do you consent to doing this interview? 2.2875 2 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2.5533 Yes. 3.1641 3 ROC_int_01 3.3459 Okay, 3.6817 4 ROC_int_01 3.6817 (pause 0.23) 3.9102 5 ROC_int_01 3.9102 great, [okay,] 4.9453 6 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 4.6211 [] 4.9314 7 ROC_int_01 5.0229 cool. 5.4105 8 ROC_int_01 5.4105 (pause 0.40) 5.8068 9 ROC_int_01 5.8068 So, um, 6.8653 10 ROC_int_01 6.8653 (pause 0.11) 6.9772 11 ROC_int_01 6.9772 usually the first, um, question that I ask is about where you grew up in the city of Rochester. 13.3456 12 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 13.7373 Oh okay, 14.2735 13 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 14.2735 (pause 0.49) 14.7631 14 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 14.7631 um, so I'm from- born and raised in Rochester. 17.5737 15 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 17.5737 (pause 0.21) 17.7789 16 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 17.7789 Um, 18.3477 17 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 18.3477 (pause 0.37) 18.7208 18 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 18.7208 I grew up on, uh, two- 20.8632 19 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 20.8632 (pause 0.18) 21.0467 20 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 21.0467 was it 21.4405 21 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 21.4405 (pause 0.14) 21.5773 22 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 21.5773 t- one- /RD-ADDRESS-6/. 23.1867 23 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 23.1867 (pause 0.33) 23.5166 24 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 23.5166 So it's in between /RD-ADDRESS-3/ and /RD-ADDRESS-2/ I think. 26.0917 25 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 26.0917 (pause 0.42) 26.5113 26 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 26.5113 And it was weird, cause I grew up in a house behind a house. 28.7915 27 ROC_int_01 28.9815 Mm. 29.3698 28 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 29.3312 And I grew up across the street from a recreation center, that was really important to my development. 34.0174 29 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 34.4499 So I spent m- most of my time there. And then, 37.1015 30 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 37.1015 (pause 0.79) 37.8911 31 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 37.8911 when I went to middle school, I moved /on/ /RD-ADDRESS-7/. 41.6343 32 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 41.6343 (pause 0.50) 42.1379 33 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 42.1379 Like by- 42.9539 34 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 42.9539 (pause 0.28) 43.2337 35 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 43.2337 off of /RD-ADDRESS-3/. 44.1663 36 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 44.1663 (pause 0.28) 44.4507 37 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 44.4507 So, kind of the same 45.3320 38 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 45.3320 (pause 0.90) 46.2287 39 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 46.2287 situation. A lot of crime, a lot of like, 48.8746 40 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 48.8746 (pause 0.16) 49.0348 41 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 49.0348 drugs and stuff like that. 50.1616 42 ROC_int_01 50.6978 [Mm.] 50.9667 43 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 50.7118 [Um], 51.2663 44 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 51.3703 but yeah. 51.9755 45 ROC_int_01 52.3753 Well, how would you describe the neighborhood for someone who isn't here? Like, what does it look [like? /Is it like/ houses], or? 58.0407 46 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 56.2026 [Oh, um], 57.2620 47 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 58.1387 well, the first house, 59.3732 48 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 59.3732 (pause 0.13) 59.5000 49 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 59.5000 it was just weird because it was a- behind a house. 61.8715 50 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 61.8715 (pause 0.41) 62.2782 51 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 62.2782 So, it was cool because we had like a lot of, 64.4045 52 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 64.4045 (pause 0.30) 64.7064 53 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 64.7064 um, space to 65.8162 54 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 65.8162 (pause 0.13) 65.9467 55 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 65.9467 play and, like, run around and stuff like that. 68.4880 56 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 68.4880 (pause 0.44) 68.9310 57 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 68.9310 And, um, 70.2739 58 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 70.2739 (pause 0.47) 70.7448 59 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 70.7448 you know, 71.4699 60 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 71.4699 (pause 0.43) 71.9048 61 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 71.9048 it- it- like I said it was across the street from a recreation center, so it was like a basketball 75.5185 62 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 75.5185 (pause 0.17) 75.6910 63 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 75.6910 c- hoo- hoop and, 77.1913 64 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 77.1913 (pause 0.41) 77.5970 65 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 77.5970 uh, tennis, like a big field. I played football like, with the boys. 81.7097 66 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 81.7097 (pause 0.39) 82.0967 67 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 82.0967 There's a pool, 83.1540 68 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 83.1540 (pause 0.42) 83.5737 69 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 83.5737 um, 84.5109 70 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 84.5109 (pause 3.09) 87.5978 71 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 87.5978 there's like- you know, it's a food a desert. So, there's like a lot of corner stores, not like a lot of 92.2036 72 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 92.2036 (pause 0.38) 92.5859 73 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 92.5859 fresh 93.0942 74 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 93.0942 (pause 0.15) 93.2434 75 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 93.2434 produce, or any of that kind of stuff. 95.1263 76 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 95.1263 (pause 0.64) 95.7649 77 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 95.7649 Um, mostly black, 97.6254 78 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 97.6254 (pause 0.30) 97.9225 79 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 97.9225 poor 98.5363 80 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 98.5363 (pause 0.17) 98.7031 81 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 98.7031 people, 99.2854 82 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 99.2854 (pause 0.49) 99.7750 83 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 99.7750 uh, for the most part. Um, 101.7462 84 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 101.7462 (pause 1.09) 102.8327 85 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 102.8327 yeah, and it was like right, 103.9331 86 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 103.9331 (pause 0.32) 104.2493 87 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 104.2493 um, like down a hill, it was like also next to a hill, like we ride our bikes down. 108.3058 88 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 108.3058 (pause 0.54) 108.8467 89 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 108.8467 Um, and it was next to my elementary school. 110.8284 90 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 110.8284 (pause 0.18) 111.0102 91 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 111.0102 And then I would walk to 112.3392 92 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 112.3392 (pause 0.61) 112.9442 93 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 112.9442 my middle school, that was kind of far. 114.1892 94 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 114.1892 (pause 0.19) 114.3757 95 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 114.3757 Um, 114.9259 96 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 114.9259 (pause 1.19) 116.1196 97 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 116.1196 and then the other street, 117.4204 98 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 117.4204 (pause 0.24) 117.6640 99 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 117.6640 um, 118.2413 100 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 118.2413 (pause 1.09) 119.3359 101 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 119.3359 was kind of a similar situation. It was next to another school. 122.6092 102 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 122.6092 (pause 0.58) 123.1921 103 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 123.1921 Um, but it was a lot more crime there, a lot more abandoned houses. Um, 127.2523 104 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 127.2523 (pause 0.34) 127.5927 105 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 127.5927 that was mostly a black neighborhood as well. 129.8915 106 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 129.8915 (pause 0.57) 130.4604 107 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 130.4604 Uh, again a food desert, like I- my mom didn't have a car growing up. So, like that was really, 135.1734 108 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 135.1734 (pause 0.80) 135.9708 109 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 135.9708 uh, tough trying to get like fresh c- 137.5504 110 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 137.5504 (pause 0.22) 137.7695 111 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 137.7695 produce and all that kind of stuff. 139.1105 112 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 139.1105 (pause 0.70) 139.8119 113 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 139.8119 Um, 140.5486 114 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 140.5486 (pause 0.93) 141.4765 115 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 141.4765 yeah. 141.8309 116 ROC_int_01 142.0734 Yeah. 142.4604 117 ROC_int_01 142.4604 (pause 0.27) 142.7304 118 ROC_int_01 142.7304 It's interesting you 143.7563 119 ROC_int_01 143.7563 (pause 0.24) 143.9987 120 ROC_int_01 143.9987 bring up the food desert point because 145.8779 121 ROC_int_01 145.8779 (pause 0.27) 146.1437 122 ROC_int_01 146.1437 like, that's not something I realized until I became an adult. 149.6071 123 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 149.6397 Yeah, yeah. 150.3764 124 ROC_int_01 150.5629 You know how few 152.1390 125 ROC_int_01 152.1390 (pause 0.31) 152.4468 126 ROC_int_01 152.4468 grocery stores that there are just period in the city, [and even] 156.5797 127 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 155.8375 [Yeah.] 156.2599 128 ROC_int_01 156.6931 the Wegmans on Mount Hope 157.9743 129 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 158.1681 [Yeah.] 158.5605 130 ROC_int_01 158.4565 [left.] 158.9907 131 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 159.2674 [Yeah.] 159.5752 132 ROC_int_01 159.4493 [So, yeah.] 160.0415 133 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 160.0357 A lot of the Wegmans move out the ho- 161.1967 134 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 161.2946 moved out the hood. [I actually] just- m- 163.0292 135 ROC_int_01 162.2960 [Mm-hm.] 162.7499 136 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 163.2204 g- went 163.6662 137 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 163.6662 (pause 0.10) 163.7702 138 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 163.7702 to Wegmans earlier, 164.7268 139 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 164.7268 (pause 0.62) 165.3467 140 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 165.3467 um, to get like a sub cause I love the subs, [but.] 167.7869 141 ROC_int_01 167.5231 [Yes, me too.] 168.3149 142 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 167.9404 [Yeah.] 168.6842 143 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 168.9593 But then I realized, like, 169.9837 144 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 169.9837 (pause 0.43) 170.4141 145 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 170.4141 you know, I was thinking about that, I was talking, um, uh, with 172.8004 146 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 172.8004 (pause 0.13) 172.9309 147 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 172.9309 my friend who also grew up, uh, in Rochester. She has a different experience cause she grew up like in the 177.1509 148 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 177.1509 (pause 0.33) 177.4819 149 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 177.4819 suburbs, stuff like that. But we both went to, um, /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 180.5396 150 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 180.5396 (pause 0.55) 181.0852 151 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 181.0852 And, uh, I was like, yo where's like, uh, (laughing) the closest Wegmans? Like, I really wanna go to Wegmans. 185.9387 152 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 185.9387 (pause 0.48) 186.4137 153 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 186.4137 Um, and yeah, the closest one is like, 189.0809 154 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 189.0809 (pause 0.13) 189.2103 155 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 189.2103 n- nowhere near, 190.7071 156 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 190.7071 (pause 0.16) 190.8627 157 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 190.8627 it's like twenty minute drive, you know. 192.3718 158 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 192.3718 (pause 0.51) 192.8800 159 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 192.8800 Um, so yeah. 194.0266 160 ROC_int_01 194.5773 Yeah, and then I think there's maybe a Price Right in- 197.7609 161 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 198.0920 Uh, not near me, /none that-/ [I have like-] 200.5214 162 ROC_int_01 199.8352 [Yeah.] 200.2607 163 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 201.1001 like 201.3887 164 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 201.3887 (pause 0.22) 201.6078 165 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 201.6078 t- I remember to like go to a grocery store, it was always a big hassle because 205.5701 166 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 205.5701 (pause 0.35) 205.9245 167 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 205.9245 my mom didn't have a car. And like, you really need a car to live in Rochester, 209.3086 168 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 209.3086 (pause 0.44) 209.7469 169 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 209.7469 you know. And so, like, 210.9966 170 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 210.9966 (pause 0.12) 211.1178 171 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 211.1178 she would either have to 212.5354 172 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 212.5354 (pause 0.23) 212.7638 173 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 212.7638 barter with like neighbors, and like, pay them money, 215.3459 174 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 215.3459 (pause 0.13) 215.4718 175 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 215.4718 for gas money when she had it, 216.9313 176 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 216.9313 (pause 0.48) 217.4163 177 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 217.4163 or like, ask a relative, but we still had to actually pay them. And it- it like- the closest grocery was like maybe a fifteen, twenty minute drive at least. 224.0831 178 ROC_int_01 224.2836 Yeah. 224.7918 179 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 224.7872 And it's like not the best. Like, Tops is like dirty and like, not- 228.6842 180 ROC_int_01 228.8660 [Mm-hm.] 229.5586 181 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 229.1971 [Um], so yeah. 230.5447 182 ROC_int_01 230.7685 Yeah, yeah. 231.7337 183 ROC_int_01 231.7337 (pause 0.35) 232.0883 184 ROC_int_01 232.0883 So you mention the, uh, recreation center [across the street.] Do you wanna talk more, like maybe your experiences there, [/or/?] 239.3411 185 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 234.8987 [Yeah, yeah.] 235.7473 186 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 235.7473 (pause 3.31) 239.0615 187 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 239.0615 [Yeah], I mean, I- um, 240.6982 188 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 240.8660 I spent a lot of time there. So, my mom, it was, uh, it- it was just my mom, 244.6978 189 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 244.6978 (pause 0.71) 245.4112 190 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 245.4112 uh, my twin brother, I had a older brother and a sister, 249.1669 191 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 249.1669 (pause 0.16) 249.3232 192 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 249.3232 and a nephew. 250.2500 193 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 250.2500 (pause 0.39) 250.6372 194 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 250.6372 And so, my mom would work a lot and stuff like that. And so, I actually spent a lot of my time there. 255.4359 195 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 255.4359 (pause 0.58) 256.0123 196 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 256.0123 Um, 256.7724 197 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 256.7724 (pause 0.74) 257.5091 198 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 257.5091 like, 257.9131 199 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 257.9131 (pause 0.32) 258.2340 200 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 258.2340 I started going there from five, up until like 260.7592 201 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 260.7592 (pause 0.51) 261.2721 202 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 261.2721 I actually started working there when I was in, uh, high school, 263.9008 203 ROC_int_01 264.2062 [/inaudible/] 264.8113 204 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 264.4697 [as soon] as I could. Um, I really enjoyed 266.8781 205 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 267.0112 going there. 267.7274 206 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 267.7274 (pause 0.57) 268.3014 207 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 268.3014 Um, 269.0428 208 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 269.0428 (pause 0.20) 269.2387 209 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 269.2387 you know, just, I played a lot of sports. 271.4023 210 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 271.4023 (pause 0.20) 271.5981 211 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 271.5981 Uh, I usually was probably the only girl that 273.9156 212 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 273.9156 (pause 0.41) 274.3288 213 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 274.3288 like, got dirty and all that kind of stuff. And I would 276.2799 214 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 276.2799 (pause 0.35) 276.6329 215 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 276.6329 swim everyday, like I just- I just was really involved 279.7990 216 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 279.7990 (pause 0.17) 279.9657 217 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 279.9657 in that 280.3755 218 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 280.3755 (pause 0.39) 280.7677 219 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 280.7677 community center. And then when- as soon as I was old enough I started working there, 283.9991 220 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 283.9991 (pause 0.38) 284.3768 221 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 284.3768 uh, with the kids, and 286.0321 222 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 286.0321 (pause 0.43) 286.4600 223 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 286.4600 I think that's when I began to realize the kind of neighborhood that 289.6308 224 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 289.6308 (pause 0.47) 290.1017 225 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 290.1017 I was living in. Cause [you- you] know, you don't- you think everybody- 293.8309 226 ROC_int_01 291.8310 [Mm-hm.] 292.1797 227 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 294.3298 You know, I just /grew up with/ my mom. So I thought 295.7380 228 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 295.7380 (pause 0.18) 295.9199 229 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 295.9199 everybody didn't have like, a dad around as much. Or, you know, they weren't that involved. Like, 300.3624 230 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 300.3624 (pause 0.36) 300.7215 231 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 300.7215 you know, that's when I feel like I start- started to learn 303.3234 232 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 303.3234 (pause 0.58) 303.9062 233 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 303.9062 like what kind of environment I was really in. 305.9894 234 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 305.9894 (pause 0.57) 306.5629 235 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 306.5629 But it wasn't until I got to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ that I was like, dang, I was really poor. 311.3459 236 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 311.3459 (pause 0.34) 311.6863 237 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 311.6863 [Like it was just such a stark] difference that like, 313.7029 238 ROC_int_01 311.7516 [/inaudible/] 312.9826 239 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 314.1437 people actually paid cash for tuition. I'm like, 316.7915 240 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 316.7915 (pause 0.11) 316.8979 241 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 316.8979 what? 317.1874 242 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 317.1874 (pause 0.55) 317.7423 243 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 317.7423 Um, and stuff like that. And so, 319.5608 244 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 319.5608 (pause 0.26) 319.8219 245 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 319.8219 all- I think all those different moments I started to realize, like, oh okay, I- 323.9101 246 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 323.9101 (pause 0.96) 324.8707 247 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 324.8707 dang, I- I really did grow up, like, in a- a dis- 327.8316 248 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 327.8316 (pause 0.12) 327.9517 249 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 327.9517 from a disadvantaged background but I didn't 329.4205 250 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 329.4205 (pause 0.34) 329.7609 251 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 329.7609 realize the extent to it, because everyone around me was just in the same environment. 333.6684 252 ROC_int_01 334.0590 Mm-hm. 334.6698 253 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 334.8750 Yeah. 335.1734 254 ROC_int_01 335.1874 Yeah. 335.5500 255 ROC_int_01 335.5500 (pause 0.10) 335.6549 256 ROC_int_01 335.6549 No that makes sense. 336.7914 257 ROC_int_01 336.7914 (pause 0.11) 336.9047 258 ROC_int_01 336.9047 And so, what schools did you go to? Did you go to [ones in the] neighborhood, or? 340.6036 259 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 339.5192 [Oh.] 339.8783 260 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 340.6083 Yeah, yeah. So I went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/ School, 343.3556 261 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 343.3556 (pause 0.13) 343.4862 262 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 343.4862 /RD-SCHOOL-7/. So that's the school I was saying like, 346.2500 263 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 346.2500 (pause 0.22) 346.4693 264 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 346.4693 there's a recreation center- actually it was connected to a recreation center. 349.1505 265 ROC_int_01 349.2204 Hm. 349.6087 266 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 349.6354 So, um, like the gym, they shared the same gym and stuff like that. So, I went 353.1454 267 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 353.1454 (pause 0.16) 353.3040 268 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 353.3040 to /RD-SCHOOL-4/ School. 354.6282 269 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 354.6282 (pause 0.51) 355.1365 270 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 355.1365 And then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-11/ which I think is like, in a lot of trouble now. 360.3718 271 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 360.3718 (pause 0.67) 361.0432 272 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 361.0432 Um, and then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/, 363.4073 273 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 363.4073 (pause 0.36) 363.7699 274 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 363.7699 um, for 364.7491 275 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 364.7491 (pause 0.50) 365.2531 276 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 365.2531 high school. And that was really- 367.0548 277 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 367.0548 (pause 0.17) 367.2283 278 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 367.2283 and it- So, 367.8789 279 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 367.8789 (pause 0.37) 368.2509 280 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 368.2509 those- 368.6379 281 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 368.6379 (pause 0.18) 368.8151 282 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 368.8151 the /RD-SCHOOL-2/ School was really close. I could just, 370.7351 283 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 370.7351 (pause 0.10) 370.8326 284 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 370.8326 walk up the hill. Like, my mom took me to like, the first day and then she's like, okay you got it, you know. 374.9737 285 ROC_int_01 375.1969 [Mm-hm.] 375.5506 286 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 375.4572 [And] then, um, middle school was actually like, kind of far. Like, 378.3839 287 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 378.4977 I mean, I guess considering at the time. But I had a twin brother, 381.2628 288 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 381.2628 (pause 0.41) 381.6731 289 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 381.6731 so we, you know, stuck together and like /walked/ home all the time. 385.7088 290 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 385.7088 (pause 0.39) 386.1017 291 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 386.1017 And that was like, probably like, a mile, or two. 389.1734 292 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 389.1734 (pause 0.63) 389.8076 293 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 389.8076 Um, 390.3951 294 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 390.3951 (pause 0.13) 390.5210 295 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 390.5210 you know, in the winters it was a little hectic, but, uh, it wasn't too bad. 393.6218 296 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 393.6218 (pause 0.59) 394.2128 297 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 394.2128 But then when we moved to the /RD-ADDRESS-3/ 396.4768 298 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 396.4768 (pause 0.22) 396.6990 299 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 396.6990 address it was closer. And then /RD-SCHOOL-1/ I had to 399.1731 300 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 399.1731 (pause 0.25) 399.4204 301 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 399.4204 catch a bus. 400.0695 302 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 400.0695 (pause 0.47) 400.5346 303 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 400.5346 And I went there because they had the /RD-SCHOOL-7/. It's like this program for people 404.6389 304 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 404.6389 (pause 0.39) 405.0296 305 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 405.0296 who wanna become teachers in the city s- Rochester city school district and that's what I thought initially I wanted to do. 409.9385 306 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 409.9385 (pause 0.37) 410.3115 307 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 410.3115 So that's why I went to high school 411.4898 308 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 411.4898 (pause 0.23) 411.7151 309 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 411.7151 there. Even though it was kind of far, cause I was 413.8252 310 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 413.8252 (pause 0.30) 414.1278 311 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 414.1278 thinking about going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, 415.5515 312 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 415.5515 (pause 0.38) 415.9292 313 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 415.9292 uh, /RD-SCHOOL-4/, 417.2010 314 ROC_int_01 417.2383 Yeah, 417.6626 315 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 417.6720 yeah. 417.9704 316 ROC_int_01 417.9984 yeah. Okay, and how did you enjoy /RD-SCHOOL-1/? What was that experience like for you? 422.5307 317 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 422.6379 Um, 423.2161 318 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 423.2161 (pause 0.99) 424.2082 319 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 424.2082 it was challenging because 426.4008 320 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 426.4008 (pause 0.40) 426.8012 321 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 426.8012 I think at that point, um, so when I entered, I was like thirteen, 431.1035 322 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 431.1035 (pause 0.22) 431.3273 323 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 431.3273 thirteen or fourteen. 432.2459 324 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 432.2459 (pause 0.35) 432.6003 325 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 432.6003 And I think at that point I started to realize that, 434.9597 326 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 434.9597 (pause 0.74) 435.7011 327 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 435.7011 you know, 436.3760 328 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 436.3760 (pause 0.15) 436.5253 329 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 436.5253 not everybody's- 437.5065 330 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 437.5065 (pause 0.11) 437.6117 331 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 437.6117 So, like, 438.3065 332 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 438.3065 (pause 0.27) 438.5769 333 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 438.5769 uh, let me take a step back. So, 439.8219 334 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 439.8219 (pause 0.50) 440.3209 335 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 440.3209 I would participate in different community service activities. So, one of the things that we did is like, 444.9826 336 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 444.9826 (pause 0.33) 445.3090 337 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 445.3090 interact with like, um, sch- students that went to like suburban high schools. 449.3646 338 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 449.3646 (pause 0.42) 449.7889 339 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 449.7889 And so I think like going to their facilities and stuff like that, I noticed- 453.5332 340 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 453.5332 (pause 0.17) 453.7011 341 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 453.7011 like started to notice differences between like, the schools, 456.4790 342 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 456.4790 (pause 0.48) 456.9640 343 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 456.9640 like, my school and their school. So like, 458.1996 344 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 458.1996 (pause 0.52) 458.7172 345 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 458.7172 my school, you know, soon as you walk- before you can get into the school you have to go through medical- medical- uh, 464.1204 346 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 464.1204 (pause 0.31) 464.4328 347 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 464.4328 464.5363 348 ROC_int_01 464.9177 [Metal,] 465.1934 349 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 465.0246 [metal dete- detectors], yeah. 466.7076 350 ROC_int_01 465.5005 [yeah.] 465.7983 351 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 467.2060 Uh, like, literally like, airport style. Like you walk through, like it was really intense. Um, 472.1207 352 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 472.1207 (pause 1.03) 473.1501 353 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 473.1501 uh, but- 474.4744 354 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 474.4744 (pause 0.71) 475.1831 355 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 475.1831 and so like, stuff like that. But- and I played like three sports all my four years. 479.4718 356 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 479.4718 (pause 0.69) 480.1666 357 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 480.1666 And um, 481.3277 358 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 481.3277 (pause 0.26) 481.5888 359 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 481.5888 I had 482.0038 360 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 482.0038 (pause 0.51) 482.5120 361 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 482.5120 good friends and good teachers. 484.4040 362 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 484.4040 (pause 0.40) 484.8004 363 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 484.8004 Um, but- 485.7190 364 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 485.7190 (pause 0.82) 486.5350 365 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 486.5350 and I did well in school, I don't think I struggled at all I think 489.2087 366 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 489.2087 (pause 0.08) 489.2877 367 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 489.2877 in fact I probably wasn't challenged enough a lot of times. 492.2832 368 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 492.2832 (pause 0.75) 493.0292 369 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 493.0292 Um, 493.8173 370 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 493.8173 (pause 1.87) 495.6915 371 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 495.6915 but, 496.0281 372 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 496.0281 (pause 0.16) 496.1926 373 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 496.1926 I definitely 496.9636 374 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 496.9636 (pause 0.37) 497.3366 375 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 497.3366 m- I- 497.8076 376 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 497.8076 (pause 0.60) 498.4091 377 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 498.4091 towards the end I definitely knew like- 499.9012 378 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 499.9012 (pause 0.84) 500.7405 379 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 500.7405 500.9099 380 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 500.9099 (pause 0.69) 501.5985 381 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 501.5985 So I- and so then I met like 503.1229 382 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 503.1229 (pause 0.51) 503.6334 383 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 503.6334 really good teachers like that went to /RD-SCHOOL-10/. 506.1950 384 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 506.1950 (pause 0.40) 506.5913 385 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 506.5913 And so I was first pe- person in my family to go to college, and I didn't realize like how- 510.3858 386 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 510.3858 (pause 0.58) 510.9686 387 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 510.9686 um, 511.5515 388 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 511.5515 (pause 1.35) 512.9037 389 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 512.9037 how 513.4027 390 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 513.4027 (pause 0.30) 513.7057 391 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 513.7057 great of a school /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was. Cause my mom actually worked there as a janitor for a long time. 517.7753 392 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 517.7753 (pause 0.51) 518.2882 393 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 518.2882 And, you know, it's unfortunate because I lived so close 521.0829 394 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 521.0829 (pause 0.50) 521.5837 395 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 521.5837 there. 521.9801 396 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 521.9801 (pause 0.37) 522.3531 397 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 522.3531 By the time I was going, uh, to college, like I could- I lived right around the corner from the riverside. 526.8470 398 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 526.8470 (pause 0.48) 527.3319 399 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 527.3319 I think /it has/ apartments like literally one block away. 529.4769 400 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 529.4769 (pause 0.57) 530.0504 401 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 530.0504 And, um, 530.8105 402 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 530.8105 (pause 0.83) 531.6405 403 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 531.6405 you know, just not knowing all those resources. But I think 534.1619 404 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 534.1619 (pause 0.43) 534.5956 405 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 534.5956 I had really good teachers who, 536.2929 406 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 536.2929 (pause 0.30) 536.5913 407 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 536.5913 uh, really were invested in me. And- and saw something maybe at times I didn't see in myself. 541.1344 408 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 541.1344 (pause 0.50) 541.6354 409 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 541.6354 Um, and I ha- I didn't have many black teachers /like/ I can only recall like maybe two, and one of them actually passed away, 547.3556 410 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 547.3556 (pause 0.61) 547.9665 411 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 547.9665 uh, whe- as we were graduating /RD-NAME-5/. 550.4456 412 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 550.4456 (pause 0.15) 550.6002 413 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 550.6002 Um, 551.0568 414 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 551.0568 (pause 0.59) 551.6445 415 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 551.6445 but he went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. He had, um, a brother, /RD-NAME-5/ at- 555.6918 416 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 555.6918 (pause 0.39) 556.0788 417 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 556.0788 I don't know if you remember him, 557.2991 418 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 557.2991 (pause 0.07) 557.3715 419 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 557.3715 uh, but he, 558.5256 420 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 558.5256 (pause 0.53) 559.0526 421 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 559.0526 uh, 559.6587 422 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 559.6587 (pause 0.40) 560.0551 423 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 560.0551 you know, I met at /RD-SCHOOL-3/ so that was really good. And so, just having those teachers encourage me I think made a 565.7893 424 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 565.7893 (pause 0.45) 566.2355 425 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 566.2355 huge difference in a lot of different stuff. 567.9902 426 ROC_int_01 568.2315 Yeah, [yeah], okay, cool. 570.2599 427 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 568.8610 [Yeah.] 569.0523 428 ROC_int_01 570.6189 Um, and so, had you always wanted to go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/? Or what [were your-] 575.5884 429 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 575.2433 [No.] 575.5967 430 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 575.7003 [ Um, so-] 577.2437 431 ROC_int_01 575.9931 [] 576.7121 432 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 577.4675 so, growing up in the environment I grew up in, I knew I had to get education. Like, I- 582.5023 433 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 582.5023 (pause 0.12) 582.6189 434 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 582.6189 for me I saw that as the only way to 584.6368 435 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 584.6368 (pause 1.12) 585.7582 436 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 585.7582 do better in terms of the financial 587.9592 437 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 587.9592 (pause 0.09) 588.0480 438 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 588.0480 strain that my family was constantly in. 590.4840 439 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 590.4840 (pause 0.55) 591.0378 440 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 591.0378 Um, it- 591.5848 441 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 591.5848 (pause 0.16) 591.7465 442 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 591.7465 it's just s- school was something I always excelled in and pu- and put a lot of time and effort into. 595.7893 443 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 595.7893 (pause 0.55) 596.3348 444 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 596.3348 And so- 597.0510 445 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 597.0510 (pause 0.10) 597.1479 446 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 597.1479 hello, 597.4647 447 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 597.4647 (pause 0.22) 597.6869 448 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 597.6869 and so, um, 598.6605 449 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 598.6605 (pause 0.97) 599.6303 450 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 599.6303 um, 600.3158 451 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 600.3158 (pause 0.97) 601.2810 452 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 601.2810 so I always knew I wanted to go to college, but not necessarily /RD-SCHOOL-3/. Again, even though my mom worked there, I didn't actually know, 607.0059 453 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 607.0059 (pause 0.63) 607.6354 454 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 607.6354 um, the type of resources and stuff they had. I just knew it cost like fifty thousand to go there. And my mom made less than half 613.9711 455 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 613.9711 (pause 0.62) 614.5948 456 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 614.5948 of that. 615.1310 457 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 615.1310 (pause 0.43) 615.5600 458 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 615.5600 Uh, and I was like, there's no way I can afford to go there. And so, 617.9707 459 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 617.9707 (pause 0.83) 618.7961 460 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 618.7961 because at the time I wanted to be a teacher, I was like, oh maybe I'll go to like St. John Fisher, or some of the smaller schools, um, 624.4650 461 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 624.4650 (pause 0.47) 624.9359 462 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 624.9359 that had like scholarships and stuff like that for me. And 627.8211 463 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 627.8211 (pause 0.53) 628.3480 464 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 628.3480 I onl- l- I feel like the only reason I really applied to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ honestly is because of people like, um, /RD-NAME-5/ who I talked about before, 635.0195 465 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 635.0195 (pause 0.44) 635.4625 466 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 635.4625 just kind of encouraged me, and my other teachers, 637.4768 467 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 637.4768 (pause 0.38) 637.8538 468 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 637.8538 um, who went there, 639.1128 469 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 639.1128 (pause 0.15) 639.2620 470 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 639.2620 um, just telling me about their experience. And, 641.5328 471 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 641.5328 (pause 0.29) 641.8219 472 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 641.8219 so, I kind of applied just to appease their like, 644.3586 473 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 644.3586 (pause 0.42) 644.7771 474 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 644.7771 you know, (laughing) efforts in terms of trying to get me to apply. 648.1390 475 ROC_int_01 648.2807 Mm-hm. 648.6311 476 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 648.6100 And then when I got in and realized, oh, they're actually, like- 650.9449 477 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 651.2200 this might actually be a good place. And then, 653.9152 478 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 653.9152 (pause 0.56) 654.4794 479 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 654.4794 I still actually was gonna pick St. John Fisher, but I remember talking to people and saying like, oh you know I got into /RD-SCHOOL-3/, but I'll probably go with 660.9597 480 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 660.9597 (pause 0.30) 661.2617 481 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 661.2617 St. John Fisher, and they're like, what? No, you need to go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. And then I feel like everyone kept telling me, so I'm like- 665.6914 482 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 665.6914 (pause 0.53) 666.2229 483 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 666.2229 But for me it was enough 667.3840 484 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 667.3840 (pause 0.26) 667.6451 485 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 667.6451 for me just to go to college. 669.4252 486 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 669.4252 (pause 0.13) 669.5539 487 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 669.5539 At that time like I didn- I didn't- 671.0339 488 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 671.0339 (pause 0.45) 671.4862 489 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 671.4862 I mean, I was like, 672.1996 490 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 672.1996 (pause 0.51) 672.7079 491 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 672.7079 going to college is just a huge feat, just c- from the family I 675.4485 492 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 675.4485 (pause 0.73) 676.1753 493 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 676.1753 came from. And so, 677.4442 494 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 677.4442 (pause 0.39) 677.8313 495 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 677.8313 I think just like, talking to people and hearing their reaction, 680.6976 496 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 680.6976 (pause 0.41) 681.1035 497 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 681.1035 I was like, okay, I guess I'll go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. Like, literally that's like why I went. That's why I chose that 685.8736 498 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 685.8736 (pause 0.57) 686.4460 499 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 686.4460 versus like St. John Fisher and it would ma- it made all the difference in terms of like, 691.2534 500 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 691.2534 (pause 0.47) 691.7197 501 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 691.7197 the 692.1487 502 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 692.1487 (pause 0.20) 692.3527 503 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 692.3527 things that I'm doing now, I don't think I woulda 694.2524 504 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 694.2524 (pause 0.10) 694.3479 505 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 694.3479 did those things, had I 695.8872 506 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 695.8872 (pause 0.51) 696.4001 507 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 696.4001 like went to a different school. 697.8923 508 ROC_int_01 698.0368 Mm. 698.3492 509 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 698.6465 Um, and so I think just having, 700.2412 510 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 700.2412 (pause 0.23) 700.4744 511 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 700.4744 uh, 700.9080 512 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 700.9080 (pause 0.47) 701.3790 513 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 701.3790 mentors, and people just kind of guiding me, 704.1476 514 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 704.1476 (pause 0.31) 704.4565 515 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 704.4565 an- and like expecting more from me, than I did at- 707.3431 516 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 707.3431 (pause 0.15) 707.4908 517 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 707.4908 for myself, 708.4654 518 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 708.4654 (pause 0.41) 708.8758 519 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 708.8758 I think made all the difference for me. (laughing) 710.9967 520 ROC_int_01 710.9496 Mm-hm. 711.3553 521 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 711.5884 Yeah. 711.8355 522 ROC_int_01 711.9754 Um, for you, how was your first year adjusting [from like-] 715.7565 523 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 715.1561 [Ooh.] 715.6218 524 ROC_int_01 716.3427 [] 717.2803 525 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 716.4693 [] 717.8809 526 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 718.3205 [Um,] 719.1458 527 ROC_int_01 718.3347 [/?/ /RD-SCHOOL-1/] 718.9227 528 ROC_int_01 719.2251 cause you know I know about it, [/I think/ going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/] and [I mean, that's its own] kind of school, but. 723.4238 529 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 720.4686 [yeah, yeah.] 721.3374 530 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 721.3374 (pause 0.36) 721.6931 531 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 721.6931 [Yeah, yeah.] 722.5451 532 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 722.5451 (pause 0.85) 723.3972 533 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 723.3972 Yeah, yeah. 724.3951 534 ROC_int_01 724.5437 [And, yeah.] 725.3743 535 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 724.6099 [Yeah, ooh], 725.3510 536 ROC_int_01 725.5000 726.1339 537 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 726.1204 um, 726.5400 538 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 727.3281 oh, I mean, 728.1441 539 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 728.1441 (pause 0.24) 728.3819 540 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 728.3819 it was- 729.3273 541 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 729.3273 (pause 0.65) 729.9801 542 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 729.9801 it was challenging. It challenged me in every, uh, 733.4726 543 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 733.4726 (pause 0.35) 733.8270 544 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 733.8270 way. 734.3119 545 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 734.3119 (pause 0.54) 734.8517 546 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 734.8517 So, I remember the- Like, for example the firs- So I majored in mathematics and political science. 740.1254 547 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 740.1254 (pause 0.53) 740.6558 548 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 740.6558 So, you v- 741.6482 549 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 741.6482 (pause 0.27) 741.9195 550 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 741.9195 political science had somewhat, 743.3417 551 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 743.3417 (pause 0.29) 743.6354 552 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 743.6354 uh, more diverse students. 745.3840 553 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 745.3840 (pause 0.62) 745.9995 554 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 745.9995 Um, but, 746.9263 555 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 746.9263 (pause 0.35) 747.2807 556 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 747.2807 uh, math, 748.2506 557 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 748.2506 (pause 0.82) 749.0712 558 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 749.0712 I was, 749.8499 559 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 749.8499 (pause 0.21) 750.0551 560 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 750.0551 um, usually the only black student in my class. And so, 753.0475 561 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 753.0475 (pause 0.59) 753.6397 562 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 753.6397 um, I remember the first m- class I had, 756.1717 563 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 756.1717 (pause 0.58) 756.7545 564 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 756.7545 uh, was calculus one-forty-one, 758.9449 565 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 758.9449 (pause 0.19) 759.1361 566 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 759.1361 and 759.5791 567 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 759.5791 (pause 0.32) 759.9008 568 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 759.9008 the teacher was going around asking people what school they went to. 762.1530 569 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 762.1530 (pause 0.60) 762.7545 570 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 762.7545 Right? 763.1742 571 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 763.1742 (pause 0.53) 763.7058 572 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 763.7058 And, 764.1021 573 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 764.1021 (pause 0.29) 764.3900 574 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 764.3900 people were talking going to Exeter and all these schools I never heard of at the time. I didn't know 767.9170 575 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 767.9170 (pause 0.11) 768.0292 576 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 768.0292 the magnitude of like, 768.9504 577 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 768.9504 (pause 0.52) 769.4726 578 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 769.4726 you know, that people actually pay to go to high school, like what? 771.9195 579 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 771.9195 (pause 0.48) 772.3998 580 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 772.3998 But you know, people were saying all these schools I never heard of, and I remember 775.2954 581 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 775.2954 (pause 0.41) 775.7104 582 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 775.7104 it got around to me, and the teacher asked me like what school I went to, I was li- I was proud that I went to /RD-SCHOOL-1/. And I was like, you know, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-1/ High School. 781.6032 583 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 781.6032 (pause 0.40) 782.0042 584 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 782.0042 And I could tell on her face, there was this kind of look, and I was like, what? You know, I was kind of- 785.9385 585 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 785.9385 (pause 0.26) 786.1996 586 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 786.1996 you know, I didn't know that in terms of the norms, uh, again with the professor, like this- 790.6224 587 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 790.6224 (pause 0.11) 790.7355 588 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 790.7355 no one in my family went to college. 792.1204 589 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 792.1204 (pause 0.27) 792.3908 590 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 792.3908 So I said- I challenged her and said what? And she's like, 794.3446 591 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 794.3446 (pause 0.34) 794.6838 592 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 794.6838 oh, you know, I just don't think you're gonna make it as a math major. 797.2259 593 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 797.2259 (pause 0.73) 797.9572 594 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 797.9572 And she said this in front of the entire [class. ] 800.4472 595 ROC_int_01 799.8623 [What?] 800.6197 596 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 800.7818 Yeah, um, 802.0873 597 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 802.0873 (pause 0.09) 802.1806 598 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 802.1806 and I- I had- uh, I don't remember what I said at the time, but I s- I will- I didn't care, I said something back to her. 807.0755 599 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 807.0755 (pause 0.50) 807.5791 600 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 807.5791 And, but I was very hurt. And I remember going back to my dorm room and crying and calling my mom. 812.2047 601 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 812.2047 (pause 0.20) 812.4040 602 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 812.4040 812.9356 603 ROC_int_01 813.0568 Like [just hearing that breaks] my heart. 815.5049 604 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 813.5382 [uh,] 813.9494 605 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 813.9494 (pause 0.23) 814.1759 606 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 814.1759 [yeah.] 814.7495 607 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 815.5422 Yeah, 816.0831 608 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 816.0831 (pause 0.49) 816.5773 609 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 816.5773 uh, but you know what, 817.9202 610 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 817.9202 (pause 0.24) 818.1581 611 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 818.1581 it- it really, 819.1687 612 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 819.1687 (pause 0.22) 819.3879 613 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 819.3879 f- f- thankfully I'm the kind of person in which- I- when I'm challenged in that way, 823.2954 614 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 823.2954 (pause 0.35) 823.6405 615 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 823.6405 it actually- 824.2653 616 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 824.2653 (pause 0.13) 824.3997 617 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 824.3997 it 824.5083 618 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 824.5083 (pause 0.32) 824.8237 619 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 824.8237 propels me to work harder, 826.6562 620 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 826.6562 (pause 0.41) 827.0619 621 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 827.0619 and so, 827.8219 622 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 827.8219 (pause 0.32) 828.1406 623 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 828.1406 she was right in a sense that I was not prepared, um, 831.0195 624 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 831.0195 (pause 0.34) 831.3553 625 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 831.3553 for that class. 832.5148 626 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 832.5148 (pause 0.34) 832.8521 627 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 832.8521 Because w- 833.3884 628 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 833.3884 (pause 0.12) 833.5102 629 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 833.5102 uh, you know like, I took pre-calc, but it just- 836.4425 630 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 836.4425 (pause 0.51) 836.9543 631 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 836.9543 you know, /RD-SCHOOL-1/ did not prepare me for college. And so what I did was, I went to her class, /?/ uh, 841.7431 632 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 841.7431 (pause 0.35) 842.0974 633 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 842.0974 but I also went to another professor who was teaching it, 844.2412 634 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 844.2412 (pause 0.48) 844.7262 635 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 844.7262 and I would go, 845.4862 636 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 845.4862 (pause 0.16) 845.6494 637 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 845.6494 not getting credit for it, 846.8897 638 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 846.8897 (pause 0.37) 847.2581 639 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 847.2581 I w- I didn't- I don't even think I really told many peo- d- many people this, but 850.3960 640 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 850.3960 (pause 0.34) 850.7351 641 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 850.7351 I would go to his class, just to hear the lecture twice. 854.0924 642 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 854.0924 (pause 0.64) 854.7359 643 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 854.7359 And like go to office hours and things like that. And I got a A in- in her class and I think, 859.1458 644 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 859.1458 (pause 0.57) 859.7147 645 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 859.7147 in part it was because she told me 861.3980 646 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 861.3980 (pause 0.13) 861.5321 647 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 861.5321 that I couldn't. 862.2315 648 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 862.2315 (pause 0.39) 862.6185 649 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 862.6185 Um, and so I did- I end up doing well in that 864.8726 650 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 864.8726 (pause 0.13) 865.0003 651 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 865.0003 class and 865.8406 652 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 865.8406 (pause 0.39) 866.2276 653 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 866.2276 a lot of, uh, those math classes, I had very similar experiences. Nothing as daunting, or, 870.4650 654 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 870.4650 (pause 0.55) 871.0153 655 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 871.0153 um, traumatic I think, as that first experience, but I definitely had more implicit kind of, 876.6562 656 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 876.6562 (pause 0.45) 877.1085 657 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 877.1085 uh, racially, o- um, 879.0856 658 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 879.0856 (pause 0.27) 879.3514 659 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 879.3514 things happening in math classes. So, I'd often 881.9008 660 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 881.9008 (pause 0.42) 882.3251 661 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 882.3251 sit in the front row, um, to make- to make sure that, like, the professor knew I wasn't cheating. And, 888.3904 662 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 888.3904 (pause 0.33) 888.7168 663 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 888.7168 I felt like I often had to do different things that I- I know- knew for sure 893.5045 664 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 893.5045 (pause 0.35) 893.8589 665 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 893.8589 that my other classmates didn't have to be concerned about. 896.3442 666 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 896.3442 (pause 0.41) 896.7498 667 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 896.7498 Um, 897.3887 668 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 897.3887 (pause 1.25) 898.6372 669 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 898.6372 and so, yeah, it wa- it was really unfortunate. And 901.8639 670 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 901.8639 (pause 0.23) 902.0924 671 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 902.0924 political science to some extent was like that. I think 904.5337 672 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 904.5337 (pause 0.44) 904.9729 673 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 904.9729 it helped that there was more diverse, uh, students in that, 908.2742 674 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 908.2742 (pause 0.17) 908.4468 675 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 908.4468 um, major. 909.2581 676 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 909.2581 (pause 0.48) 909.7384 677 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 909.7384 And so often, I would have at least one or two other 912.9406 678 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 912.9406 (pause 0.34) 913.2810 679 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 913.2810 students, um, even in the higher level classes with me. 916.4786 680 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 916.4786 (pause 0.50) 916.9822 681 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 916.9822 Um, 917.4532 682 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 917.4532 (pause 0.57) 918.0276 683 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 918.0276 and I had one, uh, black female friend who 920.8058 684 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 920.8058 (pause 0.29) 921.0996 685 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 921.0996 was in political science that I think helped- we helped get each other through, like, those are higher level classes, where, 925.6308 686 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 925.6308 (pause 0.41) 926.0458 687 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 926.0458 it- we weren't like the only 927.6278 688 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 927.6278 (pause 0.14) 927.7649 689 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 927.7649 few students. But in my math classes, 929.3319 690 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 929.3319 (pause 0.40) 929.7330 691 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 929.7330 I felt 930.3112 692 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 930.3112 (pause 0.36) 930.6749 693 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 930.6749 li- like that first experience very similarly, 933.1742 694 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 933.1742 (pause 0.39) 933.5612 695 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 933.5612 uh, throughout all those fourteen classes I had to take. 936.0920 696 ROC_int_01 936.2552 Mm. 936.5536 697 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 936.5909 Um, 937.2391 698 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 937.2391 (pause 0.57) 937.8126 699 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 937.8126 but 938.1157 700 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 938.1157 (pause 0.40) 938.5120 701 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 938.5120 outside of academics, I was really involved in the Black Student's Union and 942.5583 702 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 942.5583 (pause 0.33) 942.8894 703 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 942.8894 other, um, groups. And I think that really helped me 946.2420 704 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 946.2420 (pause 0.90) 947.1454 705 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 947.1454 to, 947.8076 706 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 947.8076 (pause 0.37) 948.1759 707 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 948.1759 um, understand, 949.6214 708 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 949.6214 (pause 0.66) 950.2789 709 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 950.2789 more about my identity and history and that 952.7724 710 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 952.7724 (pause 0.39) 953.1641 711 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 953.1641 it's- 953.4439 712 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 953.4439 (pause 0.25) 953.6910 713 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 953.6910 and to demand, like, 954.9826 714 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 954.9826 (pause 0.40) 955.3790 715 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 955.3790 justice and all these different things and that it's okay 958.2921 716 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 958.2921 (pause 0.65) 958.9403 717 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 958.9403 to- to be black on this campus and that, 961.3230 718 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 961.3230 (pause 0.26) 961.5795 719 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 961.5795 even though I know that for sure /that/ are people that don't want me there, like I can actually excel here and get something, 967.2158 720 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 967.2158 (pause 0.41) 967.6214 721 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 967.6214 uh, from this experience. And so, 969.5425 722 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 969.5425 (pause 0.26) 969.8037 723 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 969.8037 I think participating- I remember Jena Six happened. Um, like all these different things happened. We were doing protests and just, 975.2488 724 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 975.2488 (pause 0.31) 975.5565 725 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 975.5565 different stuff on campus and I think that really, 977.7516 726 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 977.7516 (pause 0.66) 978.4137 727 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 978.4137 uh, made me f- uh, enjoy my experience a lot more. So when I look back on my experience in college, I often 984.9500 728 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 984.9500 (pause 0.50) 985.4536 729 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 985.4536 think about BSU and all these other groups. I actually, went to an event they had, 990.0547 730 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 990.0547 (pause 0.39) 990.4464 731 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 990.4464 uh, for freshman, just to go because I was in town, and just to, 994.1860 732 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 994.1860 (pause 0.54) 994.7304 733 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 994.7304 you know, talk to the students there. And it's- and thankfully it's actually a lot more st- uh, 998.9643 734 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 998.9643 (pause 0.37) 999.3374 735 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 999.3374 black and Latino students now, than it definitely was when I was there. 1003.0199 736 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1003.0199 (pause 0.41) 1003.4302 737 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1003.4302 Um, um, so I think that was really comforting to see. 1006.8610 738 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1006.8610 (pause 0.26) 1007.1175 739 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1007.1175 Ooh sorry. 1007.6149 740 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1007.6149 (pause 0.20) 1007.8182 741 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1007.8182 But- um, 1008.5909 742 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1008.5909 (pause 0.41) 1009.0013 743 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1009.0013 uh, 1009.5002 744 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1009.5002 (pause 0.29) 1009.7893 745 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1009.7893 but yeah, it- uh, it was a crazy experience, and I think 1013.0428 746 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1013.0428 (pause 0.52) 1013.5651 747 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1013.5651 there's all these different mix of emotions that goes on. Like- 1016.6473 748 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1016.6473 (pause 0.40) 1017.0483 749 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1017.0483 then I get these e-mails about going (laughing) to a happy hour, or, 1019.9428 750 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1019.9428 (pause 0.46) 1020.3997 751 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1020.3997 anything like that. Like, I- uh, I'm in Washington DC and so, 1023.5379 752 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1023.5379 (pause 0.34) 1023.8736 753 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1023.8736 there's actually a lot of /RD-SCHOOL-3/ st- um, alumni students alumn- al- alumni, yeah, 1029.1695 754 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1029.1695 (pause 0.12) 1029.2907 755 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1029.2907 students, um, 1030.1755 756 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1030.1755 (pause 0.31) 1030.4880 757 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1030.4880 1030.6020 758 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1030.6020 (pause 0.26) 1030.8652 759 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1030.8652 in DC. 1031.7520 760 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1031.7520 (pause 0.18) 1031.9316 761 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1031.9316 So they often have these, um, 1033.7100 762 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1033.7100 (pause 0.59) 1034.2975 763 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1034.2975 happy hours. 1035.2843 764 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1035.2843 (pause 0.85) 1036.1336 765 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1036.1336 And I'm always like, 1037.3646 766 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1037.3646 (pause 0.20) 1037.5634 767 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1037.5634 do I wanna go and be the only black person again, or? 1040.6986 768 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1040.6986 (pause 0.40) 1041.0949 769 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1041.0949 Like I know what kind of students go here. It's a bunch of Ivy League rejects who just think too highly of themself. 1046.6689 770 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1046.6689 (pause 0.27) 1046.9383 771 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1046.9383 So like, do I actually wanna be around that? Uh, 1049.2107 772 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1049.2107 (pause 0.49) 1049.7003 773 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1049.7003 um, you know, in the past I had to be around that, but do I actually wanna subject myself to that? But I'm glad I went to like one because 1055.9148 774 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1055.9148 (pause 0.38) 1056.2925 775 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1056.2925 there was other, like, um, students, like, 1058.7825 776 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1058.7825 (pause 0.13) 1058.9131 777 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1058.9131 black students that were there, 1060.4040 778 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1060.4040 (pause 0.28) 1060.6838 779 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1060.6838 that graduated b- before me, that happened to be there, that I think, 1063.3650 780 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1063.3650 (pause 0.31) 1063.6727 781 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1063.6727 had I not gone to that happy hour, I would not know they were actually in DC. And so it was really cool 1068.1619 782 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1068.1619 (pause 0.41) 1068.5676 783 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1068.5676 to reconnect with those people, but it still was the same thing all over again. 1071.4400 784 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1071.4400 (pause 0.84) 1072.2781 785 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1072.2781 Me sitting by myself, (laughing) 1073.7796 786 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1073.7796 (pause 0.41) 1074.1853 787 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1074.1853 the other black 1074.9948 788 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1074.9948 (pause 0.13) 1075.1289 789 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1075.1289 students coming, and being like, oh hey what's up? And like, 1077.6488 790 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1077.6488 (pause 0.34) 1077.9937 791 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1077.9937 actually talking to me and not, 1079.4905 792 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1079.4905 (pause 0.73) 1080.2226 793 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1080.2226 you know. 1080.8660 794 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1080.8660 (pause 0.35) 1081.2111 795 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1081.2111 Again, like, 1081.9152 796 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1081.9152 (pause 0.20) 1082.1110 797 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1082.1110 I was again, rendered invisible 1084.2280 798 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1084.2280 (pause 0.35) 1084.5766 799 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1084.5766 to these students. Um, 1086.3485 800 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1086.3485 (pause 0.58) 1086.9313 801 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1086.9313 and so, it sh- s- 1088.3141 802 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1088.3141 (pause 0.08) 1088.3931 803 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1088.3931 it's just like, 1089.3467 804 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1089.3467 (pause 0.47) 1089.8165 805 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1089.8165 hard, 1090.4087 806 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1090.4087 (pause 0.19) 1090.5999 807 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1090.5999 um, 1091.0195 808 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1091.0195 (pause 0.28) 1091.2946 809 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1091.2946 yeah. 1091.6583 810 ROC_int_01 1091.6863 Mm-hm. Now I've never gone to any in San [Francisco], 1095.4881 811 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1094.6846 [ Yeah.] 1095.8969 812 ROC_int_01 1095.6677 [cause] I'm just like, 1096.5439 813 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1096.5672 Yeah, 1097.0195 814 ROC_int_01 1097.4159 I doubt I'll know anybody, and if I go I 1099.5655 815 ROC_int_01 1099.5655 (pause 0.31) 1099.8732 816 ROC_int_01 1099.8732 don't know if anybody will really talk to me, [you know], 1102.4134 817 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1101.9249 [Yup.] 1102.2140 818 ROC_int_01 1102.8983 yeah. 1103.3319 819 ROC_int_01 1103.3319 (pause 0.14) 1103.4718 820 ROC_int_01 1103.4718 [] 1104.1060 821 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1103.5558 [Mm-hm.] 1104.0034 822 ROC_int_01 1104.4277 [I can totally I identify with that. That's] great. 1106.8876 823 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1104.5230 [ Yes.] 1106.5214 824 ROC_int_01 1107.0720 Now because you said this though, now I'm like oh, well maybe I should check it out. Maybe [like], 1111.7805 825 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1111.6820 [Yeah.] 1112.2369 826 ROC_int_01 1112.7825 yeah, 1113.2255 827 ROC_int_01 1113.2255 (pause 0.36) 1113.5892 828 ROC_int_01 1113.5892 okay, 1114.0042 829 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1114.0543 I [think it might] be worth it. I was really shocked to- to see 1117.1645 830 ROC_int_01 1114.2018 [/cool/.] 1114.4760 831 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1117.5981 like three or four people that I 1119.4586 832 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1119.4586 (pause 0.64) 1120.0963 833 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1120.0963 knew in college, like, pretty well. And I had no idea that they were there. 1123.4676 834 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1123.4676 (pause 0.32) 1123.7893 835 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1123.7893 And I had just got to DC, so I was trying to kind of build my network, 1127.1408 836 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1127.1408 (pause 0.40) 1127.5418 837 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1127.5418 of people. 1128.3764 838 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1128.3764 (pause 0.76) 1129.1318 839 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1129.1318 Um, so I'm glad I went, 1130.4794 840 ROC_int_01 1130.7638 Yeah. 1131.2022 841 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1131.2255 you know. 1131.6824 842 ROC_int_01 1132.1820 Okay, [that's cool.] 1133.3553 843 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1132.9630 [] 1134.3859 844 ROC_int_01 1134.0928 [Well], were you in the /RD-SCHOOL-1/ program? [Or-] 1136.1615 845 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1135.8965 [Yeah] I [was], yep, yep, [yep. I was in the] /RD-SCHOOL-4/ 1139.2387 846 ROC_int_01 1136.2986 [okay], 1136.7164 847 ROC_int_01 1136.7164 (pause 0.66) 1137.3765 848 ROC_int_01 1137.3765 [okay, cool.] 1137.9810 849 ROC_int_01 1139.5045 Okay, [yeah that's what I thought, okay.] 1141.1949 850 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1139.8775 [Yeah, yeah], yeah. 1141.7240 851 ROC_int_01 1141.8406 Cool, so do you still talk to like, /RD-NAME-1/ and- 1144.5672 852 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1144.5719 Uh-uh, no. 1145.4578 853 ROC_int_01 1145.6444 Yeah. 1146.0733 854 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1146.3671 I feel, 1147.1598 855 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1147.1598 (pause 0.72) 1147.8825 856 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1147.8825 I have a very negative view of her, cause I feel, 1151.1827 857 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1151.1827 (pause 0.54) 1151.7236 858 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1151.7236 like, I think she's a nice woman, but I feel, 1154.7405 859 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1154.7405 (pause 1.23) 1155.9669 860 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1155.9669 like- 1157.0382 861 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1157.0382 (pause 1.33) 1158.3718 862 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1158.3718 like, 1158.6515 863 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1158.6515 (pause 0.59) 1159.2391 864 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1159.2391 she tried to take over OMSA 1161.1415 865 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1161.1415 (pause 0.82) 1161.9611 866 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1161.9611 like the Office of Minority Student Affairs. 1164.3438 867 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1164.3438 (pause 0.52) 1164.8614 868 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1164.8614 And I feel like, if you're a white person and you're working on behalf of students of color, 1171.1971 869 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1171.1971 (pause 0.56) 1171.7567 870 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1171.7567 I think 1172.2090 871 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1172.2090 (pause 0.23) 1172.4374 872 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1172.4374 she doesn't bring enough humility in 1174.7304 873 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1174.7304 (pause 0.48) 1175.2060 874 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1175.2060 the understanding that 1176.4277 875 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1176.4277 (pause 0.42) 1176.8474 876 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1176.8474 you are only gonna understand our experience to the extent that we allow you 1181.0149 877 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1181.0149 (pause 0.40) 1181.4159 878 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1181.4159 to view them, 1182.0640 879 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1182.0640 (pause 0.38) 1182.4417 880 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1182.4417 and there's certain things that you n- just never gonna know 1184.8524 881 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1184.8524 (pause 0.35) 1185.1975 882 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1185.1975 as a white woman, 1186.2500 883 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1186.2500 (pause 0.31) 1186.5579 884 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1186.5579 that, uh, we have to deal with. 1188.7679 885 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1188.7679 (pause 0.53) 1189.2997 886 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1189.2997 And I think that once I left, 1191.3700 887 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1191.3700 (pause 0.21) 1191.5798 888 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1191.5798 you know, sh- it just always- 1192.5952 889 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1192.5952 (pause 0.27) 1192.8657 890 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1192.8657 she always made it seem that she was gonna like, 1194.4650 891 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1194.4650 (pause 0.34) 1194.8054 892 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1194.8054 check up on us, and stuff like that. But once I left, it was- she was only concerned 1198.6978 893 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1198.6978 (pause 0.35) 1199.0475 894 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1199.0475 about what fellowships I was getting 1200.9127 895 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1200.9127 (pause 0.30) 1201.2111 896 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1201.2111 if I graduated, and like, she was just concerned about the numbers, 1204.5486 897 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1204.5486 (pause 0.22) 1204.7677 898 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1204.7677 to get, like, more grants. And, 1206.2785 899 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1206.2785 (pause 0.52) 1206.8008 900 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1206.8008 I, um, 1208.3815 901 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1208.3815 (pause 0.95) 1209.3292 902 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1209.3292 yeah, I mean I- if I am on campus I'll say hello to her, but I don't feel, 1212.6422 903 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1212.6422 (pause 0.56) 1213.2064 904 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1213.2064 like, 1213.8219 905 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1213.8219 (pause 0.84) 1214.6659 906 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1214.6659 any connection to [her] 1216.2187 907 ROC_int_01 1215.8350 [Mm-hm.] 1216.3645 908 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1216.4973 anymore. If anything, like, I'll go talk to, like, the people in the OMSA office, like, yesterday, when I was on campus I saw Mr. /RD-NAME-1/ 1222.1056 909 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1222.1056 (pause 0.40) 1222.5066 910 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1222.5066 and /RD-NAME-4/, so I like talked to them. But I think, 1224.9640 911 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1224.9640 (pause 0.57) 1225.5355 912 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1225.5355 that, 1226.0484 913 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1226.0484 (pause 0.17) 1226.2198 914 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1226.2198 y- 1226.3690 915 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1226.3690 (pause 0.22) 1226.5928 916 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1226.5928 you know, she just has a lack of self awareness in my opinion, as a white woman working on these types of issues. 1232.6126 917 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1232.6126 (pause 0.45) 1233.0638 918 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1233.0638 Um, 1233.8331 919 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1233.8331 (pause 1.08) 1234.9149 920 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1234.9149 yeah. 1235.4372 921 ROC_int_01 1235.8988 Yeah [I-] I go back and [visit /RD-NAME-1/] cause he was [my advisor, so.] 1239.5467 922 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1236.5877 [] 1236.7645 923 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1236.7645 (pause 0.56) 1237.3284 924 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1237.3284 [] 1237.7377 925 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1237.7377 (pause 0.56) 1238.2986 926 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1238.2986 [Y- yeah, okay, yeah.] 1239.8192 927 ROC_int_01 1240.2155 Yeah but I haven't really been up there as much, unless I'm like- they ask me if I'm around to 1244.7950 928 ROC_int_01 1244.7950 (pause 0.22) 1245.0172 929 ROC_int_01 1245.0172 teach a class, or something like that. 1247.2926 930 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1247.3113 Yeah. 1247.6750 931 ROC_int_01 1248.1413 Yeah. 1248.5563 932 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1249.0179 [Yeah.] 1249.4143 933 ROC_int_01 1249.2750 [Yeah.] 1249.5753 934 ROC_int_01 1249.7453 Okay, cool. 1250.6248 935 ROC_int_01 1250.6248 (pause 0.33) 1250.9577 936 ROC_int_01 1250.9577 But I find [myself-] I meet a lot of other like /RD-SCHOOL-4/. 1254.4843 937 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1251.6365 [] 1251.9390 938 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1251.9390 (pause 2.53) 1254.4677 939 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1254.4677 Uh-huh. 1254.7848 940 ROC_int_01 1254.9873 Just, 1255.5932 941 ROC_int_01 1255.5932 (pause 0.32) 1255.9132 942 ROC_int_01 1255.9132 in the field, [you know.] 1257.3820 943 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1256.7432 [Uh-huh.] 1257.0556 944 ROC_int_01 1257.7772 Which is kind of cool, I- [like to have] that connection with other people. [Like,] 1261.7121 945 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1259.3809 [Yeah.] 1259.8570 946 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1259.8570 (pause 1.54) 1261.3976 947 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1261.3976 [Yeah.] 1261.7143 948 ROC_int_01 1262.1697 um, who have been through the program too, so. 1264.4953 949 ROC_int_01 1264.4953 (pause 0.29) 1264.7844 950 ROC_int_01 1264.7844 Um, 1265.2693 951 ROC_int_01 1265.2693 (pause 0.20) 1265.4652 952 ROC_int_01 1265.4652 okay, yeah so, let's talk a little bit about grad school then. 1268.5896 953 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1268.5563 Oh, okay, ooh. [] 1270.6725 954 ROC_int_01 1269.3027 [Yeah. ] 1270.6625 955 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1271.5351 Yeah. 1272.0014 956 ROC_int_01 1273.0272 What, uh, made you decide to, um- 1275.4781 957 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1275.5177 [/RD-SCHOOL-3/] actually. [Yeah], so that's why I'm not- 1278.4537 958 ROC_int_01 1277.0595 [/Okay/.] 1277.4325 959 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1279.1718 I don't think /RD-NAME-1/ is like a bad person, I just don't- 1281.7644 960 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1281.7644 (pause 0.85) 1282.6165 961 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1282.6165 so and I think her in- bu- uh, but as well as other people who work on the staff, like really, 1286.9344 962 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1286.9344 (pause 0.40) 1287.3307 963 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1287.3307 uh, made the difference, uh, for my decision to go to grad school. But it really, 1291.6194 964 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1291.6194 (pause 0.39) 1292.0111 965 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1292.0111 was my advisor, /RD-NAME-8/ I don't know if you know her, [while she was] there. 1296.5330 966 ROC_int_01 1295.8056 [Yeah.] 1296.1693 967 ROC_int_01 1296.5796 [Mm-hm.] 1296.9881 968 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1296.8967 [So] she was the only black professor I think I had at /RD-SCHOOL-3/ maybe one of two. 1302.3604 969 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1303.1951 Um, and so, actually, when I came in, like, I came in as a math major, 1307.2926 970 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1307.2926 (pause 0.35) 1307.6377 971 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1307.6377 and I was- you know, you have to take other courses so I was taking political science, but it was just kind of like, 1312.0803 972 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1312.0803 (pause 0.64) 1312.7171 973 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1312.7171 j- just taking it, I didn't really know that I w- I would be that interested in political science. 1317.1535 974 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1317.1535 (pause 0.79) 1317.9451 975 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1317.9451 And so when I did /RD-SCHOOL-2/, you know, you have to have a mentor in a- a- 1322.5613 976 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1322.5613 (pause 0.15) 1322.7105 977 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1322.7105 a discipline. I'm like, 1324.0710 978 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1324.0710 (pause 0.63) 1324.7051 979 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1324.7051 I had a terrible experience in math. I lo- I really enjoyed math, but I just didn't have 1328.8566 980 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1328.8566 (pause 0.34) 1329.1955 981 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1329.1955 like a professor that I would think that actually would believe in my ability to do mathematical research. 1334.7199 982 ROC_int_01 1334.7665 Mm. 1335.0701 983 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1335.0463 Or even just do math in general. (laughing) 1336.9616 984 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1337.3832 Um, and so, I was like, okay, I- I don't think, 1339.6288 985 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1339.6288 (pause 0.46) 1340.0857 986 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1340.0857 you know, 1340.8038 987 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1340.8038 (pause 0.26) 1341.0591 988 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1341.0591 I wanna do my /RD-SCHOOL-2/ project in math. 1343.7369 989 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1343.7369 (pause 0.47) 1344.2112 990 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1344.2112 Um, and so I was like, okay I'll just do political science, and okay, I'll do it with /RD-NAME-8/ she's, 1349.3411 991 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1349.3411 (pause 0.39) 1349.7335 992 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1349.7335 like, 1349.8755 993 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1349.8755 (pause 0.24) 1350.1165 994 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1350.1165 /black/ professor. Like, she's pretty cool. 1351.8945 995 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1351.8945 (pause 0.37) 1352.2676 996 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1352.2676 Um, and so I, um, partnered with her, 1355.0362 997 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1355.0362 (pause 0.41) 1355.4465 998 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1355.4465 and, um, that really made the difference, to kind of see, um, someone who looked like me, and to- 1360.2342 999 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1360.2342 (pause 0.41) 1360.6445 1000 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1360.6445 to see that, this is something that I could possibly 1363.5402 1001 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1363.5402 (pause 0.14) 1363.6847 1002 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1363.6847 do. 1364.0997 1003 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1364.0997 (pause 0.49) 1364.5893 1004 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1364.5893 And then so, I think through that experience, it really was transformative. 1368.0993 1005 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1368.0993 (pause 0.41) 1368.5097 1006 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1368.5097 Um, 1369.1065 1007 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1369.1065 (pause 0.24) 1369.3443 1008 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1369.3443 and so, that's when I 1370.4774 1009 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1370.4774 (pause 0.62) 1371.1022 1010 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1371.1022 decided to- to- to ge- to possibly go to grad school. 1374.6868 1011 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1374.6868 (pause 0.31) 1374.9946 1012 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1374.9946 The whole time I kept saying, I don't wanna go to school for another five to seven years. [Like I don't really], 1379.5351 1013 ROC_int_01 1378.4393 [] 1379.5211 1014 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1380.0900 you know, I don't know about this. But, um, 1382.3562 1015 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1382.3562 (pause 0.77) 1383.1255 1016 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1383.1255 but I 1383.6245 1017 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1383.6245 (pause 0.34) 1383.9637 1018 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1383.9637 would go through all the steps, take the GRE, apply to grad school. Again, the whole time, 1388.2443 1019 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1388.2443 (pause 0.34) 1388.5800 1020 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1388.5800 it's not that I'm doubting my capability of doing grad school, but it's just that, 1391.6843 1021 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1391.6843 (pause 0.35) 1392.0340 1022 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1392.0340 the time that it took, 1393.4609 1023 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1393.4609 (pause 0.56) 1394.0204 1024 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1394.0204 you know. It just was un- 1395.2043 1025 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1395.2043 (pause 0.27) 1395.4738 1026 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1395.4738 imaginable for me to go to grad school, because no one in 1398.3325 1027 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1398.3325 (pause 0.31) 1398.6402 1028 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1398.6402 my family went to college. So, I thought if I go to college, 1400.8038 1029 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1400.8038 (pause 0.43) 1401.2328 1030 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1401.2328 I'll get like a good job after. And that will be, 1403.8475 1031 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1403.8475 (pause 0.23) 1404.0807 1032 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1404.0807 like enough, 1404.7801 1033 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1404.7801 (pause 0.42) 1405.2044 1034 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1405.2044 um, and so, the whole time when I'm applying to these grad programs, I'm 1408.9289 1035 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1408.9289 (pause 0.48) 1409.4139 1036 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1409.4139 very skeptical that I'll 1410.9153 1037 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1410.9153 (pause 0.65) 1411.5635 1038 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1411.5635 get in I- I guess, but 1413.0882 1039 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1413.0882 (pause 0.24) 1413.3249 1040 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1413.3249 more so the fact that I didn't want to go to school for another, 1416.5097 1041 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1416.5097 (pause 0.55) 1417.0599 1042 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1417.0599 five s- five to seven years. Um, 1419.7216 1043 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1419.7216 (pause 0.89) 1420.6119 1044 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1420.6119 and I knew that would bring a different set of challenges 1424.3095 1045 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1424.3095 (pause 0.39) 1424.7012 1046 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1424.7012 in that, I would be in this new place, where I didn't know anyone. 1428.0061 1047 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1428.0061 (pause 0.48) 1428.4817 1048 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1428.4817 Um, 1429.2790 1049 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1429.2790 (pause 0.15) 1429.4282 1050 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1429.4282 cause I dang sure was not gonna go to Rochester for grad school. 1433.1621 1051 ROC_int_01 1433.1574 Right. 1433.7636 1052 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1434.1339 [] 1434.8407 1053 ROC_int_01 1434.6449 [I] feel you on that. [] 1436.7118 1054 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1436.1790 [Um,] 1436.7898 1055 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1437.4461 so, uh, yeah. 1439.0875 1056 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1439.0875 (pause 1.22) 1440.3045 1057 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1440.3045 But- Yeah. 1441.0133 1058 ROC_int_01 1441.4329 Yeah. And so, um, you went to Penn, or- 1444.8026 1059 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1444.7704 No, I- [/RD-SCHOOL-12/] 1446.2725 1060 ROC_int_01 1446.0061 [/RD-SCHOOL-3/, /RD-SCHOOL-3/ okay, cool.] 1447.7238 1061 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1446.6128 [yes, yeah,] 1447.2850 1062 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1447.2850 (pause 0.20) 1447.4852 1063 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1447.4852 [uh-huh.] 1447.7966 1064 ROC_int_01 1448.0913 Okay, and, 1449.1124 1065 ROC_int_01 1449.1124 (pause 0.15) 1449.2617 1066 ROC_int_01 1449.2617 so, when you made that transition, what was it like? 1452.1795 1067 ROC_int_01 1452.1795 (pause 0.14) 1452.3147 1068 ROC_int_01 1452.3147 Did you like /RD-SCHOOL-3/, or, [e- or], es- especially, like, in comparison to the /RD-SCHOOL-9/. What kind of- 1457.7183 1069 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1453.8817 [M-] 1454.0459 1070 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1457.7260 Oh, um, 1458.8043 1071 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1458.8043 (pause 1.40) 1460.2032 1072 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1460.2032 so, when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/, 1461.6673 1073 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1461.6673 (pause 0.83) 1462.4962 1074 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1462.4962 I, um, did like- had like a- kind of like a- similar to like a bridge program sort of, I guess. 1468.4884 1075 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1468.4884 (pause 0.52) 1469.0091 1076 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1469.0091 Um, cause I got this fellowship, and part of the fellowship was that 1472.5203 1077 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1472.5203 (pause 0.40) 1472.9213 1078 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1472.9213 you could possibly go earlier 1474.8972 1079 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1474.8972 (pause 0.25) 1475.1490 1080 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1475.1490 and 1475.7505 1081 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1475.7505 (pause 0.46) 1476.2121 1082 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1476.2121 like, get more acclimated, and stuff like that, and I chose to do that because 1479.3736 1083 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1479.3736 (pause 0.34) 1479.7097 1084 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1479.7097 I didn't know anyone in Michigan and so I thought this would be a good opportunity to meet other students 1484.0917 1085 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1484.0917 (pause 0.40) 1484.4880 1086 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1484.4880 of color or just like, /minority/ students, before the semester. 1487.6810 1087 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1487.6810 (pause 0.42) 1488.1006 1088 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1488.1006 And so, I decided to go earlier, 1490.2409 1089 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1490.2409 (pause 0.16) 1490.3994 1090 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1490.3994 although I did wanna work to, like, make money, cause I didn't have any, 1493.4058 1091 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1493.4058 (pause 0.39) 1493.7975 1092 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1493.7975 money to like, 1494.7534 1093 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1494.7534 (pause 0.41) 1495.1638 1094 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1495.1638 even move 1496.2785 1095 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1496.2785 (pause 0.13) 1496.4041 1096 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1496.4041 from Rochester to Michigan. 1498.0781 1097 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1498.0781 (pause 0.32) 1498.3969 1098 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1498.3969 Um, but the good thing (laughing) about that program was that they 1500.7237 1099 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1500.7237 (pause 0.12) 1500.8449 1100 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1500.8449 gave you f- uh, like f- 1502.0888 1101 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1502.0888 (pause 0.66) 1502.7462 1102 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1502.7462 like some money to move before. 1504.5111 1103 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1504.5111 (pause 0.33) 1504.8373 1104 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1504.8373 So, I was like, okay, cool, I'll do this. They're paying me to like, 1507.2879 1105 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1507.2879 (pause 0.70) 1507.9908 1106 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1507.9908 take classes, or like, do research. Like, fine, I'll do this. And 1511.5113 1107 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1511.5113 (pause 0.51) 1512.0196 1108 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1512.0196 I- I met like people in my program and stuff like that. 1514.9794 1109 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1514.9794 (pause 0.67) 1515.6462 1110 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1515.6462 And compared to /RD-SCHOOL-3/, 1518.2947 1111 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1518.2947 (pause 0.84) 1519.1329 1112 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1519.1329 it's so different, right? Because /RD-SCHOOL-3/ is so small. It's like, 1521.9296 1113 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1521.9296 (pause 0.11) 1522.0430 1114 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1522.0430 five thousand students. 1523.1304 1115 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1523.1304 (pause 0.47) 1523.5984 1116 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1523.5984 /RD-SCHOOL-3/ is this Big Ten school, 1525.3672 1117 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1525.3672 (pause 0.31) 1525.6724 1118 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1525.6724 twenty-five thousand 1526.8102 1119 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1526.8102 (pause 0.22) 1527.0340 1120 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1527.0340 undergrad students, fifteen thousand grad students. So, it's this massive, 1530.3773 1121 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1530.3773 (pause 0.47) 1530.8483 1122 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1530.8483 uh, 1531.4067 1123 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1531.4067 (pause 0.80) 1532.2087 1124 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1532.2087 campus. But it's a coll- very much a college town. 1534.7313 1125 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1534.7313 (pause 0.27) 1535.0018 1126 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1535.0018 And Rochester, to a certain extent is sort of getting that way, with how their- 1538.5491 1127 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1538.5491 (pause 0.43) 1538.9781 1128 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1538.9781 all the construction that they're doing. 1540.5028 1129 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1540.5028 (pause 0.43) 1540.9365 1130 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1540.9365 Um, 1541.3515 1131 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1541.3515 (pause 0.32) 1541.6732 1132 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1541.6732 but I think 1542.9938 1133 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1542.9938 (pause 0.76) 1543.7564 1134 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1543.7564 that 1544.2273 1135 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1544.2273 (pause 0.92) 1545.1459 1136 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1545.1459 /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was very different in the sense that 1547.3745 1137 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1547.3745 (pause 0.24) 1547.6173 1138 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1547.6173 in that town, in /RD-SCHOOL-6/, 1549.7284 1139 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1549.7284 (pause 0.35) 1550.0735 1140 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1550.0735 uh, a super majority of the population is college educated. 1553.0810 1141 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1553.0810 (pause 0.45) 1553.5333 1142 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1553.5333 Uh, you know, I didn't see, like, neighborhoods that I saw, like, growing up, like, where I grew up it was nothing like that. 1560.5219 1143 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1560.5219 (pause 0.36) 1560.8856 1144 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1560.8856 And so I think 1561.3787 1145 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1561.3787 (pause 0.13) 1561.5092 1146 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1561.5092 it was very different in a sense that, like, it was not a lot of people of color. 1565.1230 1147 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1565.1230 (pause 0.29) 1565.4121 1148 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1565.4121 It's mostly white people who are college educated in terms of the surrounding 1568.3532 1149 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1568.3532 (pause 0.43) 1568.7822 1150 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1568.7822 area. Whereas Rochester is just very different. Although, the campus likes to 1573.4952 1151 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1573.4952 (pause 0.25) 1573.7470 1152 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1573.7470 pretend that it's in this bubble, that somehow is 1576.1438 1153 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1576.1438 (pause 0.43) 1576.5774 1154 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1576.5774 not connected to the Rochester community, which drives me nuts. 1579.5838 1155 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1579.5838 (pause 0.44) 1580.0222 1156 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1580.0222 Um, 1580.5211 1157 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1580.5211 (pause 0.64) 1581.1602 1158 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1581.1602 1581.2336 1159 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1581.2336 (pause 0.07) 1581.2998 1160 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1581.2998 but in terms of the actual campus itself, 1583.8317 1161 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1583.8317 (pause 1.02) 1584.8518 1162 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1584.8518 I think that, um, 1586.4651 1163 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1586.4651 (pause 0.64) 1587.1039 1164 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1587.1039 it was just a huge transition, because 1588.8945 1165 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1588.8945 (pause 0.37) 1589.2629 1166 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1589.2629 grad school is just so different than undergrad. 1591.1594 1167 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1591.1594 (pause 0.31) 1591.4719 1168 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1591.4719 You know, you don't have this advisor that's like looking out for you and stuff like that. 1594.4562 1169 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1594.4562 (pause 0.36) 1594.8152 1170 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1594.8152 But again, I think what made the difference for me is I had that one black professor. 1598.5491 1171 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1598.5491 (pause 0.40) 1598.9501 1172 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1598.9501 Um, who I felt was really looking out for me the whole time, throughout my 1602.9881 1173 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1602.9881 (pause 0.24) 1603.2248 1174 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1603.2248 graduate 1603.9755 1175 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1603.9755 (pause 0.20) 1604.1714 1176 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1604.1714 tenure. 1604.7449 1177 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1604.7449 (pause 0.51) 1605.2532 1178 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1605.2532 Um, and so, I think that that really made the difference. 1608.1302 1179 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1608.1302 (pause 0.44) 1608.5685 1180 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1608.5685 Um, 1609.0721 1181 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1609.0721 (pause 0.13) 1609.2061 1182 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1609.2061 and again, it's kind of the same thing 1610.8866 1183 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1610.8866 (pause 0.15) 1611.0334 1184 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1611.0334 in terms of 1611.9433 1185 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1611.9433 (pause 1.04) 1612.9831 1186 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1612.9831 people questioning my ability. 1614.5195 1187 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1614.5195 (pause 0.11) 1614.6277 1188 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1614.6277 So, I remember coming in. 1615.9475 1189 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1615.9475 (pause 0.33) 1616.2739 1190 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1616.2739 So, political science a- actually a very quantitative program. A lot of people may not know that. 1620.4426 1191 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1620.4426 (pause 0.40) 1620.8389 1192 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1620.8389 And so, coming in with this math background, although it was- it wa- it- you know, it was difficult to get, um, 1625.5193 1193 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1625.5193 (pause 0.28) 1625.7991 1194 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1625.7991 I was- a- actually I had a huge advantage compared to my classmates. And so, 1629.4956 1195 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1629.4956 (pause 0.48) 1629.9769 1196 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1629.9769 I remember 1630.6292 1197 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1630.6292 (pause 0.20) 1630.8278 1198 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1630.8278 like, um, 1631.7166 1199 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1631.7166 (pause 0.19) 1631.9101 1200 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1631.9101 coming in, 1632.6878 1201 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1632.6878 (pause 0.20) 1632.8913 1202 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1632.8913 getting 1633.2450 1203 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1633.2450 (pause 0.20) 1633.4452 1204 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1633.4452 like- 1633.6960 1205 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1633.6960 (pause 0.41) 1634.1017 1206 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1634.1017 I didn't really like- you know, people would pair off and stuff like that. And of course all the white people work to- 1638.3578 1207 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1638.3578 (pause 0.25) 1638.6096 1208 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1638.6096 together. And it was like, maybe, like, me and another 1640.6564 1209 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1640.6564 (pause 0.15) 1640.8032 1210 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1640.8032 black girl and a few 1641.8969 1211 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1641.8969 (pause 0.42) 1642.3201 1212 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1642.3201 like, uh, Asian American students. 1644.3811 1213 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1644.3811 (pause 0.50) 1644.8847 1214 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1644.8847 Um, 1645.5049 1215 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1645.5049 (pause 0.96) 1646.4654 1216 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1646.4654 but, you know, no one- b- even the other black gir- or, 1649.1175 1217 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1649.1175 (pause 0.57) 1649.6910 1218 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1649.6910 not necessarily, because I actually knew her from this other program. 1652.6053 1219 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1652.6053 (pause 0.43) 1653.0389 1220 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1653.0389 But I feel like, 1653.7524 1221 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1653.7524 (pause 0.26) 1654.0170 1222 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1654.0170 outside of her I felt like a lot of people, 1656.1480 1223 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1656.1480 (pause 0.93) 1657.0805 1224 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1657.0805 didn't think I could do the statistics and math work. And so when I would get the 1660.9589 1225 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1660.9589 (pause 1.15) 1662.1106 1226 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1662.1106 problem sets done, or get the homework done, they'd be like, how do you know how to do this? I'm like oh, I have a bachelor's in math. 1667.0102 1227 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1667.0102 (pause 0.35) 1667.3646 1228 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1667.3646 And they're like, what? You know, because no one- when you hear math, you don't see, like a black woman's face. 1671.1554 1229 ROC_int_01 1671.2290 Mm. 1671.5573 1230 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1671.5743 You know, and so, I think a lot of people didn't- didn't 1673.6235 1231 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1673.6235 (pause 0.70) 1674.3205 1232 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1674.3205 realize, like, that I was able to 1676.6053 1233 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1676.6053 (pause 0.19) 1676.7965 1234 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1676.7965 keep up with the work I guess. 1678.2548 1235 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1678.2548 (pause 0.45) 1678.7025 1236 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1678.7025 Um, and so, 1679.9101 1237 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1679.9101 (pause 0.46) 1680.3718 1238 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1680.3718 all of a sudden, when they found that out, I got all these new friends, you know. (laughing) 1683.3047 1239 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1683.3047 (pause 0.35) 1683.6498 1240 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1683.6498 And I remember, like, basically, like, almost tutoring some of my classmates, like in some of the 1688.3349 1241 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1688.3349 (pause 0.32) 1688.6566 1242 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1688.6566 like, g- uh, game theory and like, very like, um, mathy classes. 1693.4676 1243 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1693.4676 (pause 0.36) 1693.8266 1244 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1693.8266 Um, 1694.6473 1245 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1694.6473 (pause 0.74) 1695.3840 1246 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1695.3840 you know, and then once they were- once the classes /are done/ they were gone, you know. 1699.0153 1247 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1699.0153 (pause 0.25) 1699.2670 1248 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1699.2670 And so I- I kind of, uh, knew that, but, um, 1702.2315 1249 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1702.2315 (pause 0.88) 1703.1081 1250 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1703.1081 it actually helped me, even though, like, 1705.1505 1251 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1705.1505 (pause 0.35) 1705.4955 1252 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1705.4955 I knew what they were doing actually helped me to become a better student, I think, actually 1709.0848 1253 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1709.0848 (pause 0.46) 1709.5464 1254 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1709.5464 in that I- when you're able to, like, teach something to someone else that shows that you really- 1713.6498 1255 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1713.6498 (pause 0.36) 1714.0077 1256 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1714.0077 really know your- 1715.0242 1257 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1715.0242 (pause 0.19) 1715.2107 1258 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1715.2107 your stuff. 1715.9474 1259 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1715.9474 (pause 0.55) 1716.5023 1260 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1716.5023 Um, but it was a lot of similar experience. Um, 1719.0658 1261 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1719.0658 (pause 0.32) 1719.3829 1262 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1719.3829 I think it- it can also feel more personal in grad school though, because, 1723.2764 1263 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1723.2764 (pause 0.46) 1723.7380 1264 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1723.7380 uh, it's very much an isolated experience. It's really about you and your own work and your own capabilities, where I feel like, 1730.2229 1265 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1730.2229 (pause 0.55) 1730.7685 1266 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1730.7685 um, in undergrad I f- 1732.0543 1267 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1732.0543 (pause 0.33) 1732.3854 1268 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1732.3854 felt more of a 1733.6234 1269 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1733.6234 (pause 0.19) 1733.8169 1270 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1733.8169 community in terms of the 1735.7473 1271 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1735.7473 (pause 0.97) 1736.7164 1272 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1736.7164 day to day oppression I was experiencing. I'm like, I know that 1739.9195 1273 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1739.9195 (pause 0.20) 1740.1200 1274 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1740.1200 like 1740.4277 1275 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1740.4277 (pause 0.37) 1740.7961 1276 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1740.7961 everyone else is going through this too. I think it can be- 1743.3404 1277 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1743.3404 (pause 0.23) 1743.5739 1278 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1743.5739 it- it's very easy 1744.8423 1279 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1744.8423 (pause 0.17) 1745.0102 1280 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1745.0102 to internalize that 1746.5909 1281 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1746.5909 (pause 0.51) 1747.1038 1282 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1747.1038 um, 1747.8173 1283 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1747.8173 (pause 0.12) 1747.9385 1284 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1747.9385 those feelings, um, in grad school, because 1750.3434 1285 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1750.3434 (pause 0.31) 1750.6558 1286 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1750.6558 a lot of times, people /would/ personally attack your work and, like, the things you're interested in, 1754.7592 1287 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1754.7592 (pause 0.50) 1755.2628 1288 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1755.2628 especially if you're a person of color, studying communities of color, 1758.4909 1289 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1758.4909 (pause 0.48) 1758.9733 1290 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1758.9733 you know. 1759.5049 1291 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1759.5049 (pause 0.26) 1759.7613 1292 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1759.7613 When a white person does it, it's like, oh, this is so interesting and like, 1763.3506 1293 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1763.3506 (pause 0.31) 1763.6630 1294 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1763.6630 you're so, 1764.2645 1295 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1764.2645 (pause 0.32) 1764.5816 1296 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1764.5816 objective, because you're not black, or a person of color. And it's like, 1767.7349 1297 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1767.7349 (pause 0.11) 1767.8491 1298 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1767.8491 no, like, you can actually do objective work and be black and like, 1771.7147 1299 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1771.7147 (pause 0.63) 1772.3442 1300 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1772.3442 that's fine. And so I think, 1773.6638 1301 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1773.6638 (pause 0.33) 1773.9948 1302 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1773.9948 those different things, were just much more personal in terms of 1777.4852 1303 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1777.4852 (pause 0.98) 1778.4701 1304 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1778.4701 just trying to justify, like, why you're studying stuff. So /when like/ you know, like, 1782.0780 1305 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1782.0780 (pause 0.43) 1782.5070 1306 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1782.5070 the other white people in your program, if they study similar things, or if they 1786.0648 1307 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1786.0648 (pause 0.27) 1786.3387 1308 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1786.3387 just studied white people, 1787.5200 1309 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1787.5200 (pause 0.18) 1787.6968 1310 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1787.6968 even though they don't call it that, 1789.0013 1311 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1789.0013 (pause 0.34) 1789.3417 1312 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1789.3417 you know, they don't get these sort of question in terms of- of your motives. 1792.8657 1313 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1792.8657 (pause 0.37) 1793.2340 1314 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1793.2340 Um, 1793.9148 1315 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1793.9148 (pause 0.76) 1794.6749 1316 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1794.6749 so yeah, I think- 1796.0318 1317 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1796.0318 (pause 1.11) 1797.1415 1318 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1797.1415 yeah. 1797.6263 1319 ROC_int_01 1798.2175 Yeah. 1798.6418 1320 ROC_int_01 1798.6418 (pause 0.97) 1799.6071 1321 ROC_int_01 1799.6071 [] 1800.4062 1322 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1800.2073 [] 1800.5176 1323 ROC_int_01 1800.8520 [Well, um,] 1801.8374 1324 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1801.1365 [] 1801.7660 1325 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1802.3349 Sorry, [that was like a long response.] 1804.0042 1326 ROC_int_01 1802.8966 [no, so-] 1803.8130 1327 ROC_int_01 1804.1009 [no, that was] good, um, and t- and you know me, I have to be- [ask] a selfish [question. Cause I'm] in 1810.5524 1328 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1804.4413 [] 1804.9636 1329 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1804.9636 (pause 3.09) 1808.0551 1330 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1808.0551 [Yeah.] 1808.4654 1331 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1808.4654 (pause 0.94) 1809.4027 1332 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1809.4027 [Sure, sure, sure.] 1810.2500 1333 ROC_int_01 1810.7957 grad school [in my dissertation phase, so,] 1813.3277 1334 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1811.4439 [Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.] 1813.2904 1335 ROC_int_01 1813.6028 [you know], how for you [was the] dissertation phase? 1816.7398 1336 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1813.7660 [Uh-huh.] 1814.0411 1337 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1814.0411 (pause 1.04) 1815.0809 1338 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1815.0809 [Mm-hm.] 1815.4539 1339 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1815.4539 (pause 0.97) 1816.4273 1340 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1816.4273 1816.5157 1341 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1816.8517 Yeah. 1817.5185 1342 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1817.5185 (pause 0.16) 1817.6770 1343 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1817.6770 Ooh, 1818.0138 1344 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1818.0138 (pause 0.64) 1818.6562 1345 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1818.6562 I think that's the thing that's challenging, right? Like, 1821.2954 1346 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1821.2954 (pause 0.29) 1821.5834 1347 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1821.5834 you go g- you get in grad school because you did well in your course work in undergrad. So like, you know how to be a student, 1826.6006 1348 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1826.6006 (pause 0.33) 1826.9270 1349 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1826.9270 you know how to take classes, 1828.3947 1350 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1828.3947 (pause 0.48) 1828.8796 1351 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1828.8796 you know, 1829.2464 1352 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1829.2464 (pause 0.12) 1829.3698 1353 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1829.3698 you're amazing at that, you know, that's why you got into grad school. 1831.8219 1354 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1831.8219 (pause 0.31) 1832.1343 1355 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1832.1343 And so I think once- 1833.1788 1356 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1833.1788 (pause 0.19) 1833.3654 1357 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1833.3654 And I think what was also difficult for me, I actually lost my mother when I was in grad school. 1836.7075 1358 ROC_int_01 1836.7075 Ah. 1837.0181 1359 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1837.1458 And so, uh, that was just really challenging. Um, 1840.4646 1360 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1840.4646 (pause 0.42) 1840.8843 1361 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1840.8843 in terms of like, I've- 1842.1153 1362 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1842.1153 (pause 0.43) 1842.5443 1363 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1842.5443 you know, 1843.1411 1364 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1843.1411 (pause 0.15) 1843.2950 1365 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1843.2950 just in terms of that whole thing. I could talk about that later. 1845.7757 1366 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1845.7757 (pause 0.34) 1846.1114 1367 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1846.1114 But I think, like, once you get into dissertation phase, like, 1848.7215 1368 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1848.7215 (pause 0.92) 1849.6447 1369 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1849.6447 it is really really difficult, because you don't- you don't n- you're not trained to know how to do 1854.6329 1370 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1854.6329 (pause 0.19) 1854.8241 1371 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1854.8241 this type of process. Um, 1856.8944 1372 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1856.8944 (pause 0.46) 1857.3560 1373 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1857.3560 think it's just- um, 1859.2387 1374 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1859.2387 (pause 1.33) 1860.5676 1375 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1860.5676 yeah it was just really- it's a really rough transition. Like, uh, people in my program call, like, that 1864.9682 1376 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1864.9682 (pause 0.57) 1865.5418 1377 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1865.5418 year from taking classes to dissertation, like, the- 1868.6846 1378 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1868.6846 (pause 0.35) 1869.0296 1379 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1869.0296 the, like, wandering year, or whatever. Because, like, 1871.4951 1380 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1871.4951 (pause 0.36) 1871.8589 1381 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1871.8589 you know, it's like, what am I supposed to do with all this time now that I have? Like, I don't 1875.9669 1382 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1875.9669 (pause 0.32) 1876.2875 1383 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1876.2875 have classes when I'm expected to be working all the time. 1878.9313 1384 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1878.9313 (pause 0.92) 1879.8499 1385 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1879.8499 Um, 1880.2789 1386 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1880.2789 (pause 0.26) 1880.5400 1387 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1880.5400 p- 1880.6799 1388 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1880.6799 (pause 0.43) 1881.1136 1389 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1881.1136 it's just really challenging, and so for me, I think 1883.7469 1390 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1883.7469 (pause 1.40) 1885.1458 1391 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1885.1458 it was just really hard. Um, 1886.7312 1392 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1886.7312 (pause 0.30) 1887.0343 1393 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1887.0343 c- so, my program we have to like, write a proposal that 1889.7050 1394 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1889.7050 (pause 0.51) 1890.2179 1395 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1890.2179 depending on your advisor, can be a substantial proposal /sort of lines/. 1893.9564 1396 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1893.9564 (pause 0.43) 1894.3854 1397 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1894.3854 My advisor wanted, like a pretty substantial proposal. 1897.1132 1398 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1897.1132 (pause 0.47) 1897.5841 1399 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1897.5841 And I think it was just really, uh, 1899.5286 1400 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1899.5286 (pause 0.35) 1899.8783 1401 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1899.8783 hard, because, 1901.1081 1402 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1901.1081 (pause 1.04) 1902.1480 1403 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1902.1480 you know, like I said, you're not taught to do this. And so, it's just 1904.6706 1404 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1904.6706 (pause 0.58) 1905.2534 1405 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1905.2534 constantly questioning yourself. Especially because I studied black and Latino 1910.1716 1406 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1910.1716 (pause 0.36) 1910.5307 1407 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1910.5307 politicians for my dissertation. And so, 1912.8050 1408 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1912.8050 (pause 1.42) 1914.2226 1409 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1914.2226 you know, again, the ment- doing the mental work of, like, 1916.8618 1410 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1916.8618 (pause 0.96) 1917.8223 1411 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1917.8223 I feel like sometimes, implicitly, or explicitly people want you to explain, like, why you're doing this work and s- 1923.0734 1412 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1923.0734 (pause 0.38) 1923.4571 1413 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1923.4571 and sort of 1924.1086 1414 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1924.1086 (pause 0.23) 1924.3387 1415 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1924.3387 do it in a way to make sure you cover your bases. 1926.7308 1416 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1926.7308 (pause 0.36) 1927.0899 1417 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1927.0899 Um, constantly checking your stuff, cause again, I think- I feel like people, 1930.3154 1418 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1930.3154 (pause 0.62) 1930.9309 1419 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1930.9309 um, think that you're doing this, or you have some kind of 1933.3451 1420 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1933.3451 (pause 0.16) 1933.5019 1421 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1933.5019 vested interest, um, 1935.3840 1422 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1935.3840 (pause 0.36) 1935.7430 1423 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1935.7430 to get l- s- or to see a certain result. And so I think, 1938.4790 1424 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1938.4790 (pause 0.49) 1938.9686 1425 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1938.9686 that mental work and then also, like, 1941.0016 1426 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1941.0016 (pause 1.17) 1942.1709 1427 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1942.1709 p- like doing different presentations, or trying to get feedback from other people 1946.0318 1428 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1946.0318 (pause 0.32) 1946.3488 1429 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1946.3488 in our program, I think, was some- some- ch- sometimes challenging, but 1949.8449 1430 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1949.8449 (pause 0.33) 1950.1713 1431 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1950.1713 luckily we had, like- 1951.0572 1432 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1951.0572 (pause 0.50) 1951.5561 1433 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1951.5561 we didn't have, like, that diverse of a, 1953.6591 1434 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1953.6591 (pause 0.44) 1954.1009 1435 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1954.1009 um, program. Like it was like maybe six other black people, out of, like, over a hundred students. It was not 1959.3607 1436 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1959.3607 (pause 0.37) 1959.7337 1437 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1959.7337 a lot of 1960.0928 1438 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1960.0928 (pause 0.66) 1960.7491 1439 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1960.7491 black people or- and then like, maybe one or two Latinos, but 1963.4163 1440 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1963.4163 (pause 0.29) 1963.7100 1441 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1963.7100 I think we would get together and like, provide feedback for each other's, like, 1967.9941 1442 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1967.9941 (pause 0.63) 1968.6236 1443 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1968.6236 um, 1969.0899 1444 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1969.0899 (pause 0.53) 1969.6168 1445 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1969.6168 dissertation, or projects. And so, I think that really helped 1972.0508 1446 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1972.0508 (pause 0.32) 1972.3714 1447 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1972.3714 my transition and like, 1974.1899 1448 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1974.1899 (pause 0.14) 1974.3345 1449 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1974.3345 you know, writing the dissertation phase. 1976.1064 1450 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1976.1064 (pause 0.38) 1976.4841 1451 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1976.4841 But it was just very challenging. 1978.1021 1452 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1978.1021 (pause 0.47) 1978.5672 1453 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1978.5672 Um, and so, what I- I would- 1980.0221 1454 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1980.0221 (pause 0.22) 1980.2459 1455 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1980.2459 w- what I did is just kind of made it a job. 1982.2742 1456 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1982.2742 (pause 0.50) 1982.7778 1457 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1982.7778 And so I said, I work best in the mornings, so I would go to campus at six A.M. 1987.0899 1458 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1987.0899 (pause 0.42) 1987.5142 1459 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1987.5142 And I would work, um, because no one was there 1990.9403 1460 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1990.9403 (pause 0.34) 1991.2807 1461 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1991.2807 at least 'til, like, ten. So, I know at least in those four hours I can get some, like, 1994.4995 1462 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1994.4995 (pause 0.42) 1994.9224 1463 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1994.9224 really good stuff done. And so, I just would go and work on it everyday, 1998.1666 1464 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1998.1666 (pause 0.42) 1998.5909 1465 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 1998.5909 and just come up with different, like, 2000.5027 1466 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2000.5027 (pause 0.58) 2001.0856 1467 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2001.0856 superficial deadlines and different things that I wanted to do. 2004.0127 1468 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2004.0127 (pause 0.44) 2004.4510 1469 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2004.4510 And make different, like, short term and long term gro- goals. 2007.2768 1470 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2007.2768 (pause 0.28) 2007.5600 1471 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2007.5600 And that really helped me, 2008.6139 1472 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2008.6139 (pause 0.39) 2009.0009 1473 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2009.0009 but I felt like, um, 2010.3811 1474 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2010.3811 (pause 0.26) 2010.6422 1475 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2010.6422 because there's all this pressure to like, spend all this 2013.0110 1476 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2013.0110 (pause 0.42) 2013.4295 1477 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2013.4295 extraordinary time, on stuff, or to stay late. I feel like people really value that in my program. And I'm just like, 2018.4561 1478 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2018.4561 (pause 0.70) 2019.1555 1479 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2019.1555 you know, I tried to do that, but then I realized like, no. I need to do what works for me and what works for me is to- to get up really early and to go. 2025.1415 1480 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2025.1415 (pause 0.41) 2025.5472 1481 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2025.5472 And somehow people were always impressed that I would come early, but I just like, no, I'm just going. 2029.6788 1482 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2029.6788 (pause 0.30) 2029.9805 1483 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2029.9805 But I would also, like, leave earlier too, because at a certain point I was tired. 2033.7423 1484 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2033.7423 (pause 0.44) 2034.1853 1485 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2034.1853 And also, um, there's just like a lot of people and stuff like that. And so for me, I just made it a job and just kind of worked on it 2039.3739 1486 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2039.3739 (pause 0.35) 2039.7190 1487 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2039.7190 and met with my advisors and 2041.8546 1488 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2041.8546 (pause 0.30) 2042.1530 1489 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2042.1530 kept me honest about the different goals I had, but 2044.3387 1490 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2044.3387 (pause 0.50) 2044.8423 1491 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2044.8423 it was definitely times, 2046.6282 1492 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2046.6282 (pause 0.27) 2046.8940 1493 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2046.8940 especially after my mom passed away where 2048.8478 1494 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2048.8478 (pause 0.35) 2049.1975 1495 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2049.1975 it was just really difficult to, 2050.9636 1496 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2050.9636 (pause 0.27) 2051.2294 1497 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2051.2294 try to, 2052.1480 1498 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2052.1480 (pause 0.58) 2052.7262 1499 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2052.7262 you know, have that motivation to work 2054.5540 1500 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2054.5540 (pause 0.39) 2054.9457 1501 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2054.9457 on that- uh, on the dissertation because there's no one like, watching over you. 2059.0013 1502 ROC_int_01 2060.2043 Yeah, yeah. 2061.2861 1503 ROC_int_01 2061.2861 (pause 0.72) 2062.0077 1504 ROC_int_01 2062.0077 I totally, [] 2064.2738 1505 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2063.1029 [] 2064.1439 1506 ROC_int_01 2064.7541 [relate, like], yeah, but I'm just kind of like, right now, in data collection, [/phase so it's just/] like, 2070.8313 1507 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2065.1924 [you just-] 2065.6820 1508 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2065.6820 (pause 3.64) 2069.3198 1509 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2069.3198 [Yeah, yeah, yeah.] 2070.4371 1510 ROC_int_01 2071.6681 get as much as you can. [] 2073.9042 1511 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2073.1089 [Yeah, yeah, yeah.] 2074.2047 1512 ROC_int_01 2074.3760 Um, 2074.9227 1513 ROC_int_01 2074.9227 (pause 0.22) 2075.1463 1514 ROC_int_01 2075.1463 but, 2075.8770 1515 ROC_int_01 2075.8770 (pause 0.38) 2076.2599 1516 ROC_int_01 2076.2599 uh, wh- what was the question I was gonna ask? 2078.4421 1517 ROC_int_01 2078.4421 (pause 0.41) 2078.8571 1518 ROC_int_01 2078.8571 Um, oh, I wanted to ask, so, 2081.0195 1519 ROC_int_01 2081.0195 (pause 0.41) 2081.4299 1520 ROC_int_01 2081.4299 in your program, at what point did you decide, okay, 2084.2276 1521 ROC_int_01 2084.2276 (pause 0.15) 2084.3815 1522 ROC_int_01 2084.3815 I do, or don't wanna do academia? 2086.3807 1523 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2086.4273 Oh, yeah. 2087.4998 1524 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2087.4998 (pause 0.49) 2087.9894 1525 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2087.9894 Um, 2088.7355 1526 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2088.7355 (pause 1.31) 2090.0458 1527 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2090.0458 I think it was, b- when my mom passed away. 2092.9216 1528 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2092.9216 (pause 1.63) 2094.5536 1529 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2094.5536 Um, so for me, 2095.8779 1530 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2095.8779 (pause 0.24) 2096.1157 1531 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2096.1157 I think it was /sure/ 2097.2581 1532 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2097.2581 (pause 0.21) 2097.4679 1533 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2097.4679 I think so, I think initially, 2099.1594 1534 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2099.1594 (pause 0.33) 2099.4905 1535 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2099.4905 I began questioning it maybe 2101.3696 1536 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2101.3696 (pause 0.48) 2101.8499 1537 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2101.8499 when I started writing my dissertation, I got more familiar just kind of with 2105.8262 1538 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2105.8262 (pause 0.51) 2106.3391 1539 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2106.3391 the trajectory of the people of color in my discipline in terms of 2110.5078 1540 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2110.5078 (pause 0.47) 2110.9822 1541 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2110.9822 them 2111.4159 1542 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2111.4159 (pause 0.26) 2111.6770 1543 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2111.6770 having 2112.4557 1544 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2112.4557 (pause 1.27) 2113.7287 1545 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2113.7287 everything they needed 2114.8944 1546 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2114.8944 (pause 0.30) 2115.1975 1547 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2115.1975 typically for tenure. And then actually 2117.2294 1548 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2117.2294 (pause 0.71) 2117.9381 1549 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2117.9381 not getting it 2119.0945 1550 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2119.0945 (pause 0.21) 2119.2997 1551 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2119.2997 a lot of times. And 2120.7172 1552 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2120.7172 (pause 0.27) 2120.9877 1553 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2120.9877 it was very clear that, 2122.4460 1554 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2122.4460 (pause 1.13) 2123.5744 1555 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2123.5744 um, 2124.1573 1556 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2124.1573 (pause 0.55) 2124.7075 1557 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2124.7075 you know, it- in part, I think it was because 2127.3654 1558 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2127.3654 (pause 0.55) 2127.9191 1559 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2127.9191 of them being a person of color, /sending/ people of color, and then 2132.0038 1560 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2132.0038 (pause 0.17) 2132.1716 1561 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2132.1716 just maybe, pure racism 2134.0555 1562 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2134.0555 (pause 0.16) 2134.2175 1563 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2134.2175 and discrimination. 2135.2387 1564 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2135.2387 (pause 0.40) 2135.6350 1565 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2135.6350 Um, and so I think 2137.4552 1566 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2137.4552 (pause 0.91) 2138.3675 1567 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2138.3675 for me it was hard because 2140.2500 1568 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2140.2500 (pause 0.44) 2140.6885 1569 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2140.6885 a lot of the professors that I would see, with the exception of my advisor, there was actually not a lot of senior black 2146.4087 1570 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2146.4087 (pause 0.49) 2146.8983 1571 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2146.8983 professors, or l- Latino professors, like they would often not get tenure and things like that. 2151.1882 1572 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2151.1882 (pause 0.54) 2151.7264 1573 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2151.7264 And then, 2152.3245 1574 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2152.3245 (pause 0.13) 2152.4542 1575 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2152.4542 more than that, 2153.5403 1576 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2153.5403 (pause 0.70) 2154.2444 1577 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2154.2444 I think it was just when I taught. 2156.3527 1578 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2156.3527 (pause 0.62) 2156.9710 1579 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2156.9710 I did 2157.3767 1580 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2157.3767 (pause 0.18) 2157.5585 1581 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2157.5585 fine teaching, but it was just 2159.6988 1582 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2159.6988 (pause 0.35) 2160.0485 1583 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2160.0485 challenging, 2160.8925 1584 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2160.8925 (pause 0.37) 2161.2609 1585 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2161.2609 uh, not in terms of the work, 2163.4047 1586 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2163.4047 (pause 0.12) 2163.5259 1587 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2163.5259 but in terms of the mental capacity. 2165.1486 1588 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2165.1486 (pause 0.45) 2165.6009 1589 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2165.6009 Um, because being a black woman, um, 2168.2354 1590 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2168.2354 (pause 0.52) 2168.7565 1591 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2168.7565 you know, people don't expect you to be a professor, you think professor, you think of a old white man, you know. You don't think of a black woman with a afro. 2173.8671 1592 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2173.8671 (pause 0.55) 2174.4173 1593 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2174.4173 Um, 2175.2100 1594 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2175.2100 (pause 0.36) 2175.5679 1595 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2175.5679 and, you know, I just /?/ 2176.4911 1596 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2176.4911 (pause 0.27) 2176.7616 1597 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2176.7616 they would just challenge me with dumb stuff and I'm like, I don't want my job to depend on eighteen and nineteen year olds. 2182.5937 1598 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2182.5937 (pause 0.58) 2183.1766 1599 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2183.1766 Um, 2184.1185 1600 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2184.1185 (pause 0.55) 2184.6640 1601 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2184.6640 but then more than that, I felt like as a professor, I thought the impact that I could make- 2189.4796 1602 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2189.4796 (pause 0.70) 2190.1760 1603 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2190.1760 um, given like the things that I've been through, I thought the impact that I could make, 2193.4260 1604 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2193.4260 (pause 0.41) 2193.8410 1605 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2193.8410 on the lived experience of people of color I thought was very limited, in terms of, 2198.2416 1606 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2198.2416 (pause 0.30) 2198.5400 1607 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2198.5400 you know, these certain, uh, students of color actually being able to even make it to this level 2203.6401 1608 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2203.6401 (pause 0.39) 2204.0271 1609 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2204.0271 of graduate school, or undergrad. 2205.9995 1610 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2205.9995 (pause 0.33) 2206.3306 1611 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2206.3306 Um, so I just wanted to make a larger impact on, like, social justice issues. And I felt like, 2211.2581 1612 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2211.2581 (pause 0.39) 2211.6498 1613 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2211.6498 it would be very difficult to do that, from the perspective, of being a faculty member. 2216.3302 1614 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2216.3302 (pause 0.41) 2216.7452 1615 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2216.7452 And so I think it's just all these different things at once and I feel like, 2219.4933 1616 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2219.4933 (pause 0.27) 2219.7656 1617 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2219.7656 when I lost my mom, 2221.0712 1618 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2221.0712 (pause 0.33) 2221.3976 1619 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2221.3976 I think I- it- it kept me honest about a lot of things it- it showed me the- how limited our time is 2226.8474 1620 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2226.8474 (pause 0.18) 2227.0293 1621 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2227.0293 and- uh, on this earth and- and like what we wanna do to, like, make a impact. And so, 2231.6677 1622 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2231.6677 (pause 0.65) 2232.3141 1623 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2232.3141 2232.3942 1624 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2232.3942 (pause 0.33) 2232.7215 1625 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2232.7215 I was like, I don't wanna be a professor. So, I gotta be honest about that. And so, 2235.8969 1626 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2235.8969 (pause 0.49) 2236.3865 1627 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2236.3865 I think for me, 2237.7236 1628 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2237.7236 (pause 0.32) 2238.0407 1629 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2238.0407 um, 2238.8381 1630 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2238.8381 (pause 1.87) 2240.7032 1631 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2240.7032 I knew I could do it, but I just didn't want to. 2242.9368 1632 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2242.9368 (pause 0.50) 2243.4392 1633 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2243.4392 And I think I'm okay, 2245.2362 1634 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2245.2362 (pause 0.13) 2245.3626 1635 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2245.3626 w- with, uh, living with that decision. 2247.5612 1636 ROC_int_01 2247.6498 Mm-hm. 2248.0644 1637 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2248.0344 Uh, and I think it probably disappointed, um, 2250.6096 1638 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2251.0806 some of my faculty members. 2252.6706 1639 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2252.6706 (pause 0.18) 2252.8525 1640 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2252.8525 But thing about it is, like, this is my life 2255.2531 1641 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2255.2531 (pause 0.36) 2255.6117 1642 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2255.6117 and I have to choose how I wanna live it and what kind of impact I wanna make. 2258.7898 1643 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2258.7898 (pause 0.38) 2259.1742 1644 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2259.1742 And it's not to say that I don't think it's purpose, in terms of diversity with faculty members. I think it's 2264.1472 1645 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2264.1472 (pause 0.30) 2264.4514 1646 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2264.4514 super super important. I wish I had more, 2266.5404 1647 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2266.5404 (pause 0.31) 2266.8470 1648 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2266.8470 uh, 2267.2667 1649 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2267.2667 (pause 0.28) 2267.5511 1650 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2267.5511 p- 2267.6304 1651 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2267.6304 (pause 0.12) 2267.7535 1652 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2267.7535 fa- faculty of color when I was at /RD-SCHOOL-3/, e- or especially in grad school too, but, 2272.0182 1653 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2272.0182 (pause 0.55) 2272.5684 1654 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2272.5684 um, I just 2273.4159 1655 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2273.4159 (pause 0.35) 2273.7656 1656 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2273.7656 didn't feel like, 2274.7402 1657 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2274.7402 (pause 0.80) 2275.5375 1658 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2275.5375 um, 2276.0831 1659 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2276.0831 (pause 1.27) 2277.3514 1660 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2277.3514 that was the means in which I could- 2279.3273 1661 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2279.3273 (pause 0.54) 2279.8682 1662 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2279.8682 I wanted to make my impact. 2281.5328 1663 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2281.5328 (pause 0.40) 2281.9339 1664 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2281.9339 Not that you can't, but it's just challenging. 2283.9576 1665 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2283.9576 (pause 0.32) 2284.2793 1666 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2284.2793 Especially my- my discipline is just an old white man's club. 2287.3230 1667 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2287.3230 (pause 1.03) 2288.3535 1668 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2288.3535 Um, 2288.8664 1669 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2288.8664 (pause 0.65) 2289.5146 1670 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2289.5146 yeah. 2289.8503 1671 ROC_int_01 2290.3539 Yeah. 2290.7689 1672 ROC_int_01 2290.7689 (pause 0.53) 2291.2993 1673 ROC_int_01 2291.2993 [/inaudible/. Mm-hm.] 2292.6811 1674 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2291.5214 [Academia in general.] 2292.6049 1675 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2292.9453 Um, it just- it tra- attracts a- a different kind of personality. I think in some ways I have some of the 2298.1620 1676 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2298.1620 (pause 0.28) 2298.4417 1677 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2298.4417 personality traits of an aca- 2299.9158 1678 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2299.9158 (pause 0.12) 2300.0358 1679 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2300.0358 academic, but I 2301.0110 1680 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2301.0110 (pause 0.68) 2301.6918 1681 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2301.6918 also care about social /jus-/ justice issues. And I feel 2304.7635 1682 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2304.7635 (pause 0.17) 2304.9313 1683 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2304.9313 like, 2305.3836 1684 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2305.3836 (pause 0.50) 2305.8872 1685 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2305.8872 um, you know, you're not 2307.3327 1686 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2307.3327 (pause 0.10) 2307.4306 1687 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2307.4306 r- if anything you're- you're punished for, 2309.6211 1688 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2309.6211 (pause 0.38) 2310.0034 1689 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2310.0034 um, speaking out about those things, especially as a 2312.8012 1690 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2312.8012 (pause 0.14) 2312.9457 1691 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2312.9457 faculty member that's not tenured. 2314.8401 1692 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2314.8401 (pause 0.67) 2315.5091 1693 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2315.5091 And, um, 2316.5769 1694 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2316.5769 (pause 1.47) 2318.0458 1695 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2318.0458 yeah, I just didn't want it. 2319.1695 1696 ROC_int_01 2319.6638 Yeah. 2320.0928 1697 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2320.9170 I didn't wanna do- I- I could do it, but I didn't want to. 2323.4629 1698 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2323.4629 (pause 0.35) 2323.8080 1699 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2323.8080 I think dealing with those students was really a profound moment. 2326.9041 1700 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2326.9041 (pause 0.41) 2327.3131 1701 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2327.3131 You know, having- having students ask me, 2329.1924 1702 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2329.1924 (pause 0.36) 2329.5562 1703 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2329.5562 can we- can you, uh, 2330.8944 1704 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2330.8944 (pause 0.47) 2331.3604 1705 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2331.3604 do a review before the quiz? 2332.8527 1706 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2332.8527 (pause 0.17) 2333.0242 1707 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2333.0242 No, I can't do a review before the quiz. 2334.6749 1708 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2334.6749 (pause 0.45) 2335.1272 1709 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2335.1272 Or, um, you know, s- uh, one student like copied from Wikipedia. 2339.0300 1710 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2339.0300 (pause 0.43) 2339.4566 1711 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2339.4566 And I caught him. 2340.1759 1712 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2340.1759 (pause 0.18) 2340.3578 1713 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2340.3578 He said he 2341.1785 1714 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2341.1785 (pause 0.63) 2341.8055 1715 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2341.8055 made that entry to Wikipedia. 2343.3037 1716 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2343.3037 (pause 0.57) 2343.8690 1717 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2343.8690 Like, you know, just like, 2344.8621 1718 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2344.8621 (pause 0.39) 2345.2480 1719 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2345.2480 really? You know, (laughing) so, just 2346.9966 1720 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2346.9966 (pause 0.86) 2347.8592 1721 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2347.8592 like I said, the- the- 2349.0529 1722 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2349.0529 (pause 1.33) 2350.3865 1723 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2350.3865 the just mental capacity it takes, to just be challenged 2354.0597 1724 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2354.0597 (pause 0.68) 2354.7359 1725 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2354.7359 in every single way. Not- not in terms of your- 2357.6630 1726 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2357.6630 (pause 0.33) 2357.9903 1727 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2357.9903 your ability, which I'm actually okay with, /cause/ people being j- but- but just 2361.8034 1728 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2361.8034 (pause 0.34) 2362.1438 1729 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2362.1438 you know it's because of who you are. And you knew that if you were a white man, or even just a man of color that, 2367.7148 1730 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2367.7148 (pause 0.32) 2368.0365 1731 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2368.0365 perhaps you won't get challenged in the same ways. 2370.7245 1732 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2370.7245 (pause 0.50) 2371.2260 1733 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2371.2260 And I think 2371.8927 1734 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2371.8927 (pause 0.14) 2372.0280 1735 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2372.0280 that for me, 2373.5003 1736 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2373.5003 (pause 0.56) 2374.0645 1737 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2374.0645 I cannot just grin and bear it, like, this is something that I would wanna 2377.1933 1738 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2377.1933 (pause 0.35) 2377.5384 1739 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2377.5384 speak out about and, you know, as a- 2379.5376 1740 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2379.5376 (pause 0.56) 2380.1018 1741 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2380.1018 not having your job security [yet,] 2382.7011 1742 ROC_int_01 2382.6010 [Mm-hm.] 2383.1653 1743 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2383.1700 uh, you can't really do that. Um, 2385.0398 1744 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2385.0398 (pause 0.30) 2385.3371 1745 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2385.3371 so, I just decided that was something- 2386.8989 1746 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2386.8989 (pause 0.30) 2387.1976 1747 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2387.1976 wasn't something for me. But it's weird because with the job I have now, 2389.9953 1748 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2389.9953 (pause 0.39) 2390.3823 1749 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2390.3823 I still go to the same academic conferences, that, uh, 2393.9343 1750 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2393.9343 (pause 0.40) 2394.3307 1751 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2394.3307 you know, I see my, uh, graduate student- my fellow gr- former graduate students, um, 2399.0577 1752 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2399.0577 (pause 0.49) 2399.5473 1753 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2399.5473 and undergrad sometimes even. But like, 2402.0047 1754 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2402.0047 (pause 0.09) 2402.0933 1755 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2402.0933 fa- faculty members I still see them. Like, I just came back 2404.3303 1756 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2404.3303 (pause 0.44) 2404.7733 1757 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2404.7733 from one before I came home. 2406.4742 1758 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2406.4742 (pause 0.25) 2406.7245 1759 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2406.7245 Uh, 2407.0581 1760 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2407.0581 (pause 0.86) 2407.9223 1761 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2407.9223 so, it's weird. 2409.0305 1762 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2409.0305 (pause 0.52) 2409.5469 1763 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2409.5469 And it's funny because, um, 2410.8992 1764 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2410.8992 (pause 0.68) 2411.5753 1765 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2411.5753 2411.6732 1766 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2411.6732 (pause 0.44) 2412.1162 1767 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2412.1162 you know, 2412.7545 1768 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2412.7545 (pause 0.64) 2413.3938 1769 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2413.3938 they are looking at me like, why are you here? Basically, like, you didn't get a academic job so they maybe think that I'm trying to, like, apply for academic jobs, cause, 2420.9093 1770 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2420.9093 (pause 0.40) 2421.3091 1771 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2421.3091 that's a major conference in my discipline. So, you would go there if you're, like, on the job market. 2425.0627 1772 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2425.0627 (pause 0.45) 2425.5104 1773 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2425.5104 And I remember, 2426.2658 1774 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2426.2658 (pause 0.37) 2426.6388 1775 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2426.6388 people asking me /??/ conference, like, how is life? But they would ask it in this way that's like, 2430.7643 1776 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2430.7643 (pause 0.50) 2431.2633 1777 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2431.2633 are you sad? Like, are you disappointed in that 2434.4609 1778 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2434.4609 (pause 0.41) 2434.8712 1779 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2434.8712 you didn't get, like, an academic job? Like, literally that's I feel like, 2438.3311 1780 ROC_int_01 2438.3684 Mm-hm. 2438.7880 1781 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2438.7775 how they're asking the questions, and it's like, 2440.5774 1782 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2441.0530 no, I'm actually very good, I'm very happy, and I really am. Like, I'm not putting on because, like, they're no one to put on for. 2447.0950 1783 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2447.0950 (pause 0.48) 2447.5799 1784 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2447.5799 Um, but 2448.2514 1785 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2448.2514 (pause 0.33) 2448.5778 1786 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2448.5778 I definitely 2449.4158 1787 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2449.4158 (pause 0.74) 2450.1539 1788 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2450.1539 got this feeling that somehow, 2451.9060 1789 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2451.9060 (pause 0.27) 2452.1718 1790 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2452.1718 I should be 2452.7080 1791 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2452.7080 (pause 0.36) 2453.0670 1792 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2453.0670 disappointed in myself, because I didn't go to academia. 2455.8088 1793 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2455.8088 (pause 1.75) 2457.5562 1794 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2457.5562 Um, 2457.9946 1795 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2457.9946 (pause 0.76) 2458.7593 1796 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2458.7593 yeah. 2459.1743 1797 ROC_int_01 2459.2629 [Yeah.] 2459.6732 1798 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2459.2722 [] 2460.1535 1799 ROC_int_01 2460.1581 So, this new job [is in] 2461.5077 1800 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2461.1416 [Mm-hm.] 2461.4619 1801 ROC_int_01 2461.5823 DC 2462.1603 1802 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2462.2145 [Yes, mm-hm.] 2463.1471 1803 ROC_int_01 2462.3126 [right? And-] okay, can you tell me a little bit more about, 2465.2162 1804 ROC_int_01 2465.7571 um, 2466.3447 1805 ROC_int_01 2466.3447 (pause 0.62) 2466.9648 1806 ROC_int_01 2466.9648 the new job, as well as, how you like 2468.7181 1807 ROC_int_01 2468.7181 (pause 0.18) 2468.8941 1808 ROC_int_01 2468.8941 living in DC in comparison [to /inaudible/ ] 2472.4642 1809 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2471.3002 2471.3565 1810 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2471.3565 (pause 0.27) 2471.6266 1811 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2471.6266 [Oh yeah.] 2472.7588 1812 ROC_int_01 2472.8513 [Yeah.] 2473.3117 1813 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2473.1060 [So-] um, 2474.0326 1814 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2474.3311 so, I've been working there for about 2476.2046 1815 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2476.2046 (pause 0.12) 2476.3212 1816 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2476.3212 five, or so months. 2478.4053 1817 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2478.4053 (pause 0.33) 2478.7317 1818 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2478.7317 So, I actually- I finished my dissertation in March, 2481.2811 1819 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2481.2811 (pause 0.29) 2481.5749 1820 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2481.5749 end of March, and I moved, like, less than a week later, to start the job. 2484.6291 1821 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2484.6291 (pause 0.44) 2485.0721 1822 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2485.0721 Um, so I'm currently a research director at /RD-WORK-3/, which is a nonprofit that works on voting rights, voting registration. 2490.6478 1823 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2490.6478 (pause 0.41) 2491.0534 1824 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2491.0534 Uh, I work with mostly lawyers who do, like, a lot of litigation and suing state governments. 2495.8131 1825 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2495.8131 (pause 0.42) 2496.2328 1826 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2496.2328 I basically help provide the research to- and the motivation for their, um, 2501.2769 1827 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2501.2769 (pause 0.51) 2501.7851 1828 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2501.7851 legisla- um, 2502.6151 1829 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2502.6151 (pause 0.32) 2502.9369 1830 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2502.9369 their litigation 2503.9155 1831 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2503.9155 (pause 0.18) 2504.1002 1832 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2504.1002 pursuits. 2504.7321 1833 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2504.7321 (pause 0.40) 2505.1335 1834 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2505.1335 Um, 2505.7875 1835 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2505.7875 (pause 0.21) 2505.9943 1836 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2505.9943 so, just providing evidence of discrimination, whether 2509.0394 1837 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2509.0394 (pause 0.19) 2509.2260 1838 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2509.2260 implicit or k- e- explicit 2510.9827 1839 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2510.9827 (pause 0.42) 2511.4024 1840 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2511.4024 in terms of the end results of people of color and how they're rejected a lot of times for voter roles 2516.3870 1841 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2516.3870 (pause 0.49) 2516.8813 1842 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2516.8813 and they probably think that they're registered to vote, but they're not. 2518.9598 1843 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2518.9598 (pause 0.28) 2519.2349 1844 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2519.2349 Um, also do like, 2520.4345 1845 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2520.4345 (pause 0.14) 2520.5706 1846 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2520.5706 different grassroots stuff, and help 2522.2005 1847 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2522.2005 (pause 0.38) 2522.5782 1848 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2522.5782 support smaller nonprofits who are doing, 2524.5357 1849 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2524.5357 (pause 0.14) 2524.6758 1850 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2524.6758 um, voter registration. 2525.8084 1851 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2525.8084 (pause 0.66) 2526.4706 1852 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2526.4706 Um, and then I travel and do some- some training 2529.0678 1853 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2529.0678 (pause 0.19) 2529.2578 1854 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2529.2578 and helping smaller organizations become 2531.0391 1855 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2531.0391 (pause 0.36) 2531.4028 1856 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2531.4028 more effective in how they do voter registration and 2534.6388 1857 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2534.6388 (pause 0.19) 2534.8242 1858 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2534.8242 providing like, different, 2535.9153 1859 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2535.9153 (pause 0.45) 2536.3676 1860 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2536.3676 uh, ways they can collect data on that. And like, re- 2539.3651 1861 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2539.3651 (pause 0.38) 2539.7455 1862 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2539.7455 like, re- 2540.3561 1863 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2540.3561 (pause 0.51) 2540.8666 1864 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2540.8666 structure how they maybe do voter registration. 2543.0362 1865 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2543.0362 (pause 0.17) 2543.2030 1866 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2543.2030 Um, 2543.6825 1867 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2543.6825 (pause 0.82) 2544.4985 1868 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2544.4985 so that's basically what I do. 2546.5316 1869 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2546.5316 (pause 0.80) 2547.3324 1870 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2547.3324 Um, 2548.2137 1871 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2548.2137 (pause 0.24) 2548.4515 1872 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2548.4515 what else did you ask? Sorry. 2549.7002 1873 ROC_int_01 2549.7198 Oh, [um, /sorry/, yeah. ] 2551.8756 1874 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2550.0405 [Oh how I like DC.] 2550.9514 1875 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2550.9514 (pause 0.31) 2551.2650 1876 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2551.2650 [Oh, um, so] DC, I love DC, cause it's- it's like, 2554.0085 1877 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2554.3396 it's so many, 2555.4307 1878 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2555.4307 (pause 0.33) 2555.7618 1879 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2555.7618 black per- young professionals and so that, yeah, just- 2559.2250 1880 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2559.2250 (pause 0.73) 2559.9526 1881 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2559.9526 I don't know, I feel like I- 2561.5100 1882 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2561.5100 (pause 0.33) 2561.8364 1883 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2561.8364 um, 2562.2514 1884 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2562.2514 (pause 0.27) 2562.5176 1885 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2562.5176 it's really cool just to see. 2563.8741 1886 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2563.8741 (pause 0.39) 2564.2611 1887 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2564.2611 And, um, it's just very different in Rochester, cause I felt like, 2567.9437 1888 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2567.9437 (pause 0.40) 2568.3447 1889 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2568.3447 at least like, the people I went to high school and stuff like that, it's like, you know, 2571.2250 1890 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2571.2250 (pause 0.61) 2571.8360 1891 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2571.8360 a lot of black people, but not necessarily a lot of black professionals (laughing). 2574.4612 1892 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2574.4612 (pause 0.31) 2574.7690 1893 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2574.7690 And where in- in Ann Arbor, Michigan, where I went to grad school, it's just like, 2578.3583 1894 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2578.3583 (pause 0.64) 2578.9971 1895 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2578.9971 you know, mostly all grad students, and so, they come from different backgrounds. I actually feel like 2583.5189 1896 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2583.5189 (pause 0.47) 2583.9852 1897 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2583.9852 I didn't relate to a lot of them cause they- they come from, like, very /pivi-/ privileged backgrounds. 2588.0559 1898 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2588.0559 (pause 0.41) 2588.4698 1899 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2588.4698 And actually had a difficult time, like, meeting or relating to people actually, other black students even sometimes, at /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 2593.9207 1900 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2593.9207 (pause 0.54) 2594.4570 1901 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2594.4570 But then, um, 2595.6029 1902 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2595.6029 (pause 0.63) 2596.2279 1903 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2596.2279 in DC I just feel- 2597.6546 1904 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2597.6546 (pause 0.59) 2598.2467 1905 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2598.2467 I actually feel real at home, like, being there and I feel like, I met a lot of people that 2602.5028 1906 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2602.5028 (pause 0.45) 2602.9503 1907 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2602.9503 kind of relate to like, my experience and they're still like, 2605.7946 1908 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2605.7946 (pause 0.47) 2606.2656 1909 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2606.2656 um, working on very c- like, cool things. Um, and 2610.2419 1910 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2610.2419 (pause 0.47) 2610.7129 1911 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2610.7129 yeah, I met a lot of, uh, friends, like, from church and stuff like that. So, I really like living there. 2615.6590 1912 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2615.6590 (pause 0.37) 2616.0305 1913 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2616.0305 It's expensive, but I really like living there. (laughing) 2618.4568 1914 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2618.4568 (pause 0.46) 2618.9137 1915 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2618.9137 And I really, 2619.4919 1916 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2619.4919 (pause 0.21) 2619.7018 1917 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2619.7018 uh, like the work that I'm doing. Course, you know, there's always stuff about jobs or- 2624.0231 1918 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2624.0231 (pause 0.36) 2624.3868 1919 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2624.3868 and stuff that you don't like, but I think overall, I really like living there. 2627.7570 1920 ROC_int_01 2628.1393 [Yeah.] 2628.4890 1921 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2628.4051 [Yeah, ] 2629.2884 1922 ROC_int_01 2628.7641 [Okay], cool. 2629.8589 1923 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2629.8589 2630.1129 1924 ROC_int_01 2630.3915 Okay, cool. Um, 2631.7437 1925 ROC_int_01 2631.7437 (pause 0.30) 2632.0462 1926 ROC_int_01 2632.0462 I just wanna turn back to s- a few [more] general questions [about Rochester] 2636.3995 1927 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2634.0367 [Sure.] 2634.4471 1928 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2634.4471 (pause 1.00) 2635.4449 1929 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2635.4449 [Mm-hm.] 2635.7855 1930 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2636.5267 [Mm-hm.] 2636.9697 1931 ROC_int_01 2636.7431 [and] that's more so as a person who has moved away and 2640.2885 1932 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2640.2559 Yeah. 2640.6103 1933 ROC_int_01 2640.6522 coming back to Rochester, 2642.0317 1934 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2642.0511 [Uh-huh.] 2642.4039 1935 ROC_int_01 2642.3160 [what do] you see are some like, major changes to you, that has happened in the city? 2646.5660 1936 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2647.0719 Oh, um, 2648.1630 1937 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2648.1630 (pause 3.66) 2651.8269 1938 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2651.8269 Just like, you know, a lot of gentrification, 2654.5629 1939 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2654.5629 (pause 0.14) 2654.7031 1940 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2654.7031 you know. 2655.1469 1941 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2655.1469 (pause 0.63) 2655.7810 1942 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2655.7810 Uh, that's the one thing I definitely notice. 2658.0461 1943 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2658.0461 (pause 0.48) 2658.5263 1944 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2658.5263 You know, definitely noti- Like we were saying earlier, all the Wegmans moved out the hood 2662.1755 1945 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2662.1755 (pause 0.34) 2662.5159 1946 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2662.5159 into the suburbs and just noticing like a lot of, 2664.9732 1947 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2664.9732 (pause 0.95) 2665.9233 1948 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2665.9233 um, 2666.5621 1949 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2666.5621 (pause 0.22) 2666.7859 1950 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2666.7859 /RD-SCHOOL-3/ taking over everywhere. Like, the college town, 2669.5634 1951 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2669.5634 (pause 0.30) 2669.8588 1952 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2669.8588 like it was so different, cause like everything was just in that bubble and then now they took over, like, that Mount Hope area. 2674.8796 1953 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2674.8796 (pause 0.39) 2675.2697 1954 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2675.2697 It's like a lot of, 2676.0577 1955 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2676.0577 (pause 0.47) 2676.5240 1956 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2676.5240 um, /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 2677.5486 1957 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2677.5486 (pause 0.20) 2677.7455 1958 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2677.7455 Um, 2678.2446 1959 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2678.2446 (pause 0.49) 2678.7364 1960 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2678.7364 it's funny cause I came back for my high s- ten year high school reunion and just kind of 2682.4727 1961 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2682.4727 (pause 0.70) 2683.1721 1962 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2683.1721 seeing like, people I went to high school with just kind of, 2685.5642 1963 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2685.5642 (pause 1.51) 2687.0738 1964 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2687.0738 you know, doing the same things, working, like, these menial jobs, actually made me feel pretty sad. 2691.9233 1965 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2691.9233 (pause 0.55) 2692.4773 1966 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2692.4773 And I often feel 2693.2998 1967 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2693.2998 (pause 0.22) 2693.5233 1968 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2693.5233 really guilty I guess. Um, especially 2695.8342 1969 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2695.8342 (pause 0.45) 2696.2865 1970 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2696.2865 more so with my family, 2697.6488 1971 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2697.6488 (pause 0.17) 2697.8206 1972 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2697.8206 uh, cause they really struggle financially. 2699.9604 1973 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2699.9604 (pause 0.35) 2700.3114 1974 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2700.3114 And I 2701.1549 1975 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2701.1549 (pause 0.42) 2701.5794 1976 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2701.5794 supported them like, for- like, even in grad school 2704.2055 1977 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2704.2055 (pause 0.29) 2704.4999 1978 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2704.4999 I found ways to support them financially, but I don't really do it, 2707.1492 1979 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2707.1492 (pause 0.70) 2707.8450 1980 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2707.8450 as much, um, so, that's really difficult I think. Um, 2711.9717 1981 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2711.9717 (pause 0.75) 2712.7190 1982 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2712.7190 and it's also hard, because people- when I come home, people expect me 2716.2791 1983 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2716.2791 (pause 0.36) 2716.6414 1984 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2716.6414 to be the same person, talk the same way, talk about the same things. 2720.3040 1985 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2720.3040 (pause 0.45) 2720.7569 1986 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2720.7569 And so I think it's always really challenging coming home. 2723.8132 1987 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2723.8132 (pause 0.49) 2724.3057 1988 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2724.3057 And, um, ev- each time I come home, I'm ec- excited initia- initially with this 2728.9415 1989 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2728.9415 (pause 0.26) 2729.1997 1990 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2729.1997 feeling of nostalgia and, 2731.2964 1991 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2731.2964 (pause 0.35) 2731.6420 1992 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2731.6420 um, wanting to meet- wanting to meet up with everyone. 2734.4320 1993 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2734.4320 (pause 0.37) 2734.7999 1994 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2734.7999 But I feel like soon after 2736.3057 1995 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2736.3057 (pause 0.19) 2736.4925 1996 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2736.4925 those few days, especially after my mom passed away, 2738.9267 1997 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2738.9267 (pause 0.35) 2739.2772 1998 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2739.2772 I'm ready to go. 2740.3414 1999 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2740.3414 (pause 0.13) 2740.4716 2000 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2740.4716 And I feel really bad about that, but I- I- I usually am ready to go. 2743.9021 2001 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2743.9021 (pause 1.05) 2744.9545 2002 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2744.9545 Uh, just because, uh, it's really difficult for me to see my family struggling, and I have the means to help them, but then, 2751.7980 2003 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2751.7980 (pause 0.68) 2752.4829 2004 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2752.4829 how do I help them 2754.0572 2005 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2754.0572 (pause 0.15) 2754.2073 2006 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2754.2073 without enabling them? And I feel like that's what I'm 2756.3323 2007 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2756.3323 (pause 0.40) 2756.7337 2008 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2756.7337 doing often times so I- it- it's- it's actually really challenging to come home. And then when I come home, 2760.8095 2009 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2760.8095 (pause 0.42) 2761.2341 2010 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2761.2341 its just, everything's different, I have to G- GPS to get around everywhere. 2765.0943 2011 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2765.0943 (pause 0.49) 2765.5868 2012 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2765.5868 Um, especially like the social stuff, like the clubs, they always change names, 2769.2998 2013 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2769.2998 (pause 0.41) 2769.7074 2014 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2769.7074 close and stuff like that. I'm not really into that, that's what /they're/ trying to do, and I realize that 2773.1718 2015 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2773.1718 (pause 0.44) 2773.6077 2016 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2773.6077 everything's just so different, um, 2775.7527 2017 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2775.7527 (pause 0.96) 2776.7094 2018 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2776.7094 yeah. 2777.2698 2019 ROC_int_01 2779.0756 Yeah. [] 2781.1435 2020 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2779.6417 [] 2780.8135 2021 ROC_int_01 2781.6168 Okay, 2782.3018 2022 ROC_int_01 2782.3018 (pause 0.20) 2782.4999 2023 ROC_int_01 2782.4999 and- but are there any- 2784.1529 2024 ROC_int_01 2784.1529 (pause 0.31) 2784.4642 2025 ROC_int_01 2784.4642 when you come to Rochester, I guess, what are your favorite things to do here? 2787.5772 2026 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2787.8829 Uh, 2788.6980 2027 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2788.6980 (pause 1.66) 2790.3623 2028 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2790.3623 really just like meeting up with people I guess. There's nothing, 2793.2149 2029 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2793.2149 (pause 0.45) 2793.6621 2030 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2793.6621 uh, in particular I mean, g- I guess going to Wegmans if I have to pick something. 2797.0303 2031 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2797.0303 (pause 0.41) 2797.4436 2032 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2797.4436 Um, but really just kind of- of meeting up with people. 2801.3717 2033 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2801.3717 (pause 0.38) 2801.7566 2034 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2801.7566 I mean, sometimes I go to campus, too. 2804.0436 2035 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2804.0436 (pause 0.19) 2804.2299 2036 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2804.2299 Like I went to campus yesterday, but it's usually, 2806.2735 2037 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2806.2735 (pause 0.28) 2806.5565 2038 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2806.5565 connected to, 2807.7849 2039 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2807.7849 (pause 0.63) 2808.4189 2040 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2808.4189 um, something in particular. 2810.3380 2041 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2810.3380 (pause 0.12) 2810.4568 2042 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2810.4568 Um, like, the 2812.0187 2043 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2812.0187 (pause 0.32) 2812.3414 2044 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2812.3414 Black Student's Union had the event, or 2814.2661 2045 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2814.2661 (pause 0.24) 2814.5095 2046 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2814.5095 maybe vi- visiting the, uh, Office of Minority Student Affairs or something like that. 2818.4829 2047 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2818.4829 (pause 0.56) 2819.0433 2048 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2819.0433 Um, 2820.1982 2049 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2820.1982 (pause 2.80) 2822.9998 2050 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2822.9998 yeah. 2823.3677 2051 ROC_int_01 2823.5700 Yeah. 2823.9042 2052 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2823.8659 I don't come home that often, like I said, because of 2826.2407 2053 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2826.5774 it's just really- mentally, uh, it's, really difficult. 2830.0018 2054 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2830.0018 (pause 0.48) 2830.4856 2055 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2830.4856 Um, because like- you know, mom- so my mom passed away when I was in grad school. And so, 2834.0210 2056 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2834.0210 (pause 0.33) 2834.3488 2057 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2834.3488 w- when I come home, it's like I expect to see her and then I can't see her, [so that's just] 2838.3906 2058 ROC_int_01 2837.6434 [Mm-hm.] 2838.3489 2059 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2838.6963 very difficult. And then, like I said earlier, my family and stuff like that, um, 2842.0728 2060 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2842.0728 (pause 1.03) 2843.1056 2061 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2843.1056 so I guess, 2843.5868 2062 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2843.5868 (pause 0.46) 2844.0453 2063 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2844.0453 you know, it's- it's such a weird thing. So, I come home, I'm all excited, 2847.7074 2064 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2847.7074 (pause 0.59) 2848.2961 2065 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2848.2961 uh, about twenty-four hours, I'm ready to go because of the stress 2851.8059 2066 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2851.8059 (pause 0.32) 2852.1229 2067 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2852.1229 and the- the mental exhaustion and stuff. 2854.5339 2068 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2854.5339 (pause 0.37) 2854.9018 2069 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2854.9018 Cause even when I come home, it's not really home, because 2857.6360 2070 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2857.6360 (pause 0.46) 2858.1002 2071 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2858.1002 I have to stay with, like, a family friend because 2860.4376 2072 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2860.4376 (pause 0.28) 2860.7207 2073 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2860.7207 my b- like my brother and sister and my nephew and stuff live together, but they don't 2864.4455 2074 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2864.4455 (pause 0.84) 2865.2828 2075 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2865.2828 have like space for me to even stay there, and so often I don't- I never, this- 2869.8115 2076 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2869.8115 (pause 0.41) 2870.2191 2077 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2870.2191 this is, like, always my home, but I never feel at home anymore, 2873.3094 2078 ROC_int_01 2873.3547 Mm. 2873.7113 2079 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2873.8076 um, since my mom passed away. 2875.2398 2080 ROC_int_01 2875.4322 Yeah. 2875.8455 2081 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2875.8342 Uh, so it- it's just- yeah, it's challenging. 2878.4999 2082 ROC_int_01 2878.5290 Yeah, 2878.9209 2083 ROC_int_01 2878.9209 (pause 0.28) 2879.2030 2084 ROC_int_01 2879.2030 /it/ makes sense. 2880.1306 2085 ROC_int_01 2880.1306 (pause 0.39) 2880.5243 2086 ROC_int_01 2880.5243 Uh, let's see, 2881.7688 2087 ROC_int_01 2881.7688 (pause 0.30) 2882.0670 2088 ROC_int_01 2882.0670 2882.1383 2089 ROC_int_01 2882.1383 (pause 0.19) 2882.3261 2090 ROC_int_01 2882.3261 okay, those are 2883.8885 2091 ROC_int_01 2883.8885 (pause 0.18) 2884.0697 2092 ROC_int_01 2884.0697 m- uh, my last few questions about Rochester [specifically], like as a place. [But] 2888.9370 2093 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2887.0756 [Mm-hm.] 2887.4153 2094 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2887.4153 (pause 1.15) 2888.5701 2095 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2888.5701 [Mm-hm.] 2888.9210 2096 ROC_int_01 2889.1283 I always, um, 2890.3819 2097 ROC_int_01 2890.3819 (pause 0.21) 2890.5926 2098 ROC_int_01 2890.5926 ask a few questions at the end about 2892.9341 2099 ROC_int_01 2892.9341 (pause 0.33) 2893.2681 2100 ROC_int_01 2893.2681 uh, language related stuff, [so.] 2895.4905 2101 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2895.1187 [Oh] sure, sure. 2896.1659 2102 ROC_int_01 2896.1578 Uh, 2896.6527 2103 ROC_int_01 2897.9774 sort of, um, have you been told, that you have an accent? 2902.4523 2104 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2902.4943 [Oh yeah, definitely.] 2903.6108 2105 ROC_int_01 2902.8218 [Um, being from] Rochester? And 2904.6737 2106 ROC_int_01 2904.8378 maybe what things do people say 2907.0113 2107 ROC_int_01 2907.0113 (pause 0.22) 2907.2319 2108 ROC_int_01 2907.2319 make them think you have a accent? 2908.0742 2109 ROC_int_01 2908.0742 (pause 0.20) 2908.2752 2110 ROC_int_01 2908.2752 think you have a accent? 2910.1132 2111 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2910.1106 It's usually more- People don't know where the heck Rochester is a lot of times. 2914.2735 2112 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2914.5339 Like in- even in DC, like, some people do, some people don't. 2917.3020 2113 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2917.3020 (pause 0.41) 2917.7153 2114 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2917.7153 But I think, 2918.4172 2115 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2918.4172 (pause 0.61) 2919.0224 2116 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2919.0224 they think I have like a New York C- New York City accent, but then it's like- 2923.1718 2117 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2923.1718 (pause 0.80) 2923.9700 2118 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2923.9700 it's just only, like, with certain words, or- 2926.5452 2119 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2926.5452 (pause 0.24) 2926.7886 2120 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2926.7886 but they kn- they know it's like a little bit different. So, they're like, uh, I d- can't quite place her accent. 2932.2735 2121 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2932.2735 (pause 0.42) 2932.6924 2122 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2932.6924 And I think it's a little- 2933.8132 2123 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2933.8132 (pause 0.20) 2934.0170 2124 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2934.0170 and I think I'm sure I have like, 2935.3417 2125 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2935.3417 (pause 0.37) 2935.7096 2126 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2935.7096 a little bit of a Michigan influence, um, because I lived there for six years, possibly. 2940.0397 2127 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2940.0397 (pause 0.54) 2940.5831 2128 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2940.5831 Um, 2941.3247 2129 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2941.3247 (pause 1.75) 2943.0720 2130 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2943.0720 but yeah. I don't- 2943.7619 2131 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2943.7619 (pause 0.12) 2943.8850 2132 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2943.8850 I don't think everyone- no one has ever specifically said, you have like a Rochester accent. 2948.0361 2133 ROC_int_01 2948.0854 Mm-hm. 2948.3888 2134 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2948.3870 I think it's in terms of like, the Black English, in term of the slang words as in things I might use. Like, mad, or- 2954.4210 2135 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2954.7720 or, you know, different things like that. Um, 2956.9741 2136 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2956.9741 (pause 0.25) 2957.2231 2137 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2957.2231 they're like, oh, you know, that's like a New York 2959.5266 2138 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2959.5266 (pause 0.41) 2959.9398 2139 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2959.9398 slang word like, where are you from kind of thing and this usually comes 2963.2076 2140 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2963.2076 (pause 0.76) 2963.9647 2141 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2963.9647 in conversation where I'm talking to other black people. Like, I think w- white people don't understand what Black English is, or 2969.4269 2142 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2969.4269 (pause 0.32) 2969.7439 2143 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2969.7439 understand what slang is. I think they just /dismiss/ it as it being like an 2973.1001 2144 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2973.1001 (pause 0.41) 2973.5079 2145 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2973.5079 ignorant 2974.1985 2146 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2974.1985 (pause 0.25) 2974.4533 2147 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2974.4533 thing, versus, like, a actual dialect. 2976.5643 2148 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2976.5643 (pause 1.01) 2977.5775 2149 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2977.5775 [Um], 2978.1266 2150 ROC_int_01 2977.5775 [Mm-hm.] 2978.1153 2151 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2978.3757 yeah. 2978.9248 2152 ROC_int_01 2979.1852 Yeah. 2979.6306 2153 ROC_int_01 2979.6306 (pause 0.18) 2979.8075 2154 ROC_int_01 2979.8075 Okay. And, um, 2981.4043 2155 ROC_int_01 2981.4043 (pause 0.21) 2981.6149 2156 ROC_int_01 2981.6149 2981.6829 2157 ROC_int_01 2981.6829 (pause 0.29) 2981.9704 2158 ROC_int_01 2981.9704 let's see, 2982.8546 2159 ROC_int_01 2982.8546 (pause 1.41) 2984.2682 2160 ROC_int_01 2984.2682 when you come back, 2985.4796 2161 ROC_int_01 2985.4796 (pause 0.14) 2985.6154 2162 ROC_int_01 2985.6154 and you- like, you haven't been here [/for a little while/ do you feel] like there's certain people, maybe who lived in certain /[parts] of the city/ like they talk differently, or? 2995.4185 2163 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2987.3080 [Uh-huh. ] 2988.2591 2164 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2988.2591 (pause 0.37) 2988.6265 2165 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2988.6265 [] 2989.2718 2166 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2989.2718 (pause 2.99) 2992.2608 2167 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2992.2608 [Uh-huh.] 2992.6627 2168 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2996.0891 Yeah, I think- 2996.9831 2169 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2996.9831 (pause 0.31) 2997.2903 2170 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2997.2903 I- I feel like I'm usually 2999.2061 2171 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2999.2061 (pause 0.47) 2999.6755 2172 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 2999.6755 like a little lost if there's like- uh, like, new words, but I definitely feel like 3003.8702 2173 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3003.8702 (pause 0.61) 3004.4759 2174 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3004.4759 the way I talk is very different too. Like, 3006.9435 2175 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3006.9435 (pause 0.36) 3007.3001 2176 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3007.3001 I- I- I was thinking about this, 3008.7720 2177 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3008.7720 (pause 0.44) 3009.2079 2178 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3009.2079 um, 3009.7230 2179 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3009.7230 (pause 0.23) 3009.9551 2180 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3009.9551 actually 3010.7259 2181 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3010.7259 (pause 0.22) 3010.9461 2182 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3010.9461 yesterday. Or like the last few days I'm hanging around 3013.7111 2183 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3013.7111 (pause 0.32) 3014.0338 2184 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3014.0338 my classmates from 3015.5344 2185 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3015.5344 (pause 0.10) 3015.6381 2186 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3015.6381 s- high school. And I definitely feel like 3017.9619 2187 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3017.9619 (pause 0.54) 3018.5054 2188 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3018.5054 talk very different when I'm around them. 3020.3338 2189 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3020.3338 (pause 0.40) 3020.7301 2190 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3020.7301 Um, you know, that code switching is- is very unconscious. 3023.7128 2191 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3023.7128 (pause 0.47) 3024.1827 2192 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3024.1827 Um, 3024.8393 2193 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3024.8393 (pause 1.25) 3026.0847 2194 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3026.0847 and then like, 3026.8037 2195 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3026.8037 (pause 0.67) 3027.4716 2196 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3027.4716 you know, 3028.0774 2197 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3028.0774 (pause 1.75) 3029.8261 2198 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3029.8261 like for example, like, they'll just- they kept bringing up the fact that like 3033.5929 2199 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3033.5929 (pause 0.13) 3033.7226 2200 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3033.7226 I'm a doctor now. 3034.7340 2201 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3034.7340 (pause 0.59) 3035.3279 2202 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3035.3279 Um, 3035.7802 2203 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3035.7802 (pause 0.30) 3036.0805 2204 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3036.0805 so- 3036.7078 2205 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3036.7078 (pause 0.45) 3037.1564 2206 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3037.1564 and some of them actually don't really know what that means in terms of Ph.D. versus medical doctor. 3041.4298 2207 ROC_int_01 3041.4309 Mm-hm. 3041.8570 2208 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3041.8269 And so, um, 3042.7997 2209 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3043.0601 like, 3043.3488 2210 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3043.3488 (pause 0.17) 3043.5153 2211 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3043.5153 it- 3043.7221 2212 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3043.7221 (pause 0.46) 3044.1866 2213 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3044.1866 it'll com- it would come up in the most stupid way. Like, 3046.6661 2214 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3046.6661 (pause 0.48) 3047.1467 2215 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3047.1467 um, oh I need to know how to work, like, the stereo for my friends place, where I wanted to like, listen to like, 3051.9245 2216 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3051.9245 (pause 0.37) 3052.2925 2217 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3052.2925 more R- R and B soul and not like Future, and I didn't really like 3055.7904 2218 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3055.7904 (pause 0.85) 3056.6395 2219 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3056.6395 listening, like, sitting down and like having that as like the background music. And they're like, oh, it's because you a doctor now. 3061.8300 2220 ROC_int_01 3061.9659 [] 3062.6363 2221 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3062.0847 [you know, and stuff] like that and I'm just like, uh, not really. 3065.3449 2222 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3065.5260 Um, 3066.0695 2223 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3066.0695 (pause 0.47) 3066.5393 2224 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3066.5393 and- and things like that, I feel like, um, 3068.8772 2225 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3068.8772 (pause 0.54) 3069.4207 2226 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3069.4207 there's definitely this constant effort to- 3072.2223 2227 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3072.2223 (pause 0.44) 3072.6639 2228 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3072.6639 to- 3073.0261 2229 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3073.0261 (pause 1.45) 3074.4810 2230 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3074.4810 to make me feel different [now, or to] expect that I'm different now. 3078.1827 2231 ROC_int_01 3076.2221 [Mm.] 3076.7025 2232 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3078.4318 Or to expect that the reasons why 3080.4640 2233 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3080.4640 (pause 0.37) 3080.8320 2234 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3080.8320 I may have a different opinion about something, is because of somehow it's related to the- 3085.1450 2235 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3085.1450 (pause 0.27) 3085.4167 2236 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3085.4167 to the amount of 3086.0394 2237 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3086.0394 (pause 0.44) 3086.4810 2238 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3086.4810 education that I've received. 3087.9811 2239 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3087.9811 (pause 0.53) 3088.5071 2240 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3088.5071 Um, like for example, a lot of pe- most all the people I went to school with, have kids. 3092.3043 2241 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3092.3043 (pause 0.59) 3092.8939 2242 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3092.8939 I don't have kids. And I don't have kids because I'm not married. And when I say that, 3096.4034 2243 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3096.4034 (pause 0.50) 3096.9073 2244 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3096.9073 that really, s- 3097.8489 2245 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3097.8489 (pause 0.21) 3098.0625 2246 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3098.0625 strikes a chord with them an- and- an- and so, 3100.8019 2247 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3100.8019 (pause 0.32) 3101.1184 2248 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3101.1184 when they ask me questions it's really about 3103.0375 2249 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3103.0375 (pause 0.39) 3103.4281 2250 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3103.4281 kids, 3103.9262 2251 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3103.9262 (pause 0.31) 3104.2319 2252 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3104.2319 they'll ask que- a question about 3105.4738 2253 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3105.4738 (pause 0.22) 3105.6974 2254 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3105.6974 whether you have kids or not. 3106.6548 2255 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3106.6548 (pause 0.20) 3106.8580 2256 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3106.8580 Or n- no, it's /?/ really actually not a question of whether you have kids or not, it's how many you have, right? So this expectation 3111.8226 2257 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3111.8226 (pause 0.36) 3112.1849 2258 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3112.1849 that you're- 3112.7793 2259 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3112.7793 (pause 0.18) 3112.9599 2260 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3112.9599 you're twenty-eight like somehow you should have kids. 3115.0827 2261 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3115.0827 (pause 0.45) 3115.5300 2262 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3115.5300 Um, and to tell them, like, I don't have kids because I've been in school for a long time, 3120.5902 2263 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3120.5902 (pause 0.38) 3120.9752 2264 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3120.9752 basically since we've got out of high school, 3122.8036 2265 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3122.8036 (pause 0.28) 3123.0867 2266 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3123.0867 uh, is very perplexing to them. 3124.9548 2267 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3124.9548 (pause 0.17) 3125.1241 2268 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3125.1241 Uh, they don't really get it. 3126.5676 2269 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3126.5676 (pause 0.41) 3126.9752 2270 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3126.9752 Um, 3127.5696 2271 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3127.5696 (pause 0.35) 3127.9205 2272 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3127.9205 and so, 3128.8603 2273 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3128.8603 (pause 0.88) 3129.7433 2274 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3129.7433 um, 3130.6208 2275 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3130.6208 (pause 0.43) 3131.0505 2276 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3131.0505 I f- often feel bad 3132.5450 2277 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3132.5450 (pause 0.38) 3132.9299 2278 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3132.9299 by saying that, but that is why and so when people ask me, so, I think, 3135.8509 2279 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3135.8509 (pause 0.63) 3136.4849 2280 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3136.4849 uh, it's just really, uh, challenging. 3139.6545 2281 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3139.6545 (pause 0.54) 3140.1979 2282 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3140.1979 Um, 3140.7357 2283 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3140.7357 (pause 0.82) 3141.5565 2284 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3141.5565 yeah. 3142.2585 2285 ROC_int_01 3143.1580 Yeah. 3143.5486 2286 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3143.9109 Sorry I don't know if I answered [your question, okay.] 3146.0904 2287 ROC_int_01 3145.3828 [No, yeah, yeah.] 3146.5528 2288 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3146.4163 3146.9249 2289 ROC_int_01 3147.4433 [Um,] 3148.0410 2290 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3147.5139 [Um.] 3147.9451 2291 ROC_int_01 3148.1453 3148.2189 2292 ROC_int_01 3148.2189 (pause 0.07) 3148.2924 2293 ROC_int_01 3148.2924 yeah, so that's basically all the questions I have related to [language, and] 3152.8772 2294 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3152.5463 [Uh-huh.] 3152.8772 2295 ROC_int_01 3153.2452 um, I always like to ask, uh, 3155.7807 2296 ROC_int_01 3155.7807 (pause 0.40) 3156.1770 2297 ROC_int_01 3156.1770 if you have any maybe last thoughts, you wanna say? If not then 3160.4283 2298 ROC_int_01 3160.4283 (pause 0.35) 3160.7788 2299 ROC_int_01 3160.7788 we can wrap it up. 3161.7581 2300 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3163.2356 Um, 3163.8809 2301 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3163.8809 (pause 2.94) 3166.8184 2302 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3166.8184 no. 3167.3052 2303 ROC_int_01 3167.5713 Yeah? okay cool [well-] 3168.9080 2304 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3168.4827 [Yeah if] you have- if you need me to clarify something, or- I'm happy to do that, [but.] 3172.5528 2305 ROC_int_01 3172.2151 [No], I think that is [/gonna be/ really good. ] 3175.0415 2306 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3173.5713 [Okay okay. ] 3175.3658 2307 ROC_int_01 3175.3431 Um, but do you consent to [me-] 3177.2770 2308 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3176.9904 [Oh, yeah] yeah, [yeah, transcribing it, you] can call me if I 3180.2107 2309 ROC_int_01 3177.7150 [Okay, always /have-/ mm-hm.] 3179.6449 2310 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3180.7148 wasn't clear on something, or- if I messed with the microphone at some point. 3184.7959 2311 ROC_int_01 3185.0618 [Okay, cool.] 3185.9166 2312 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3185.3331 [I'm fine with that. yeah.] 3187.0374 2313 ROC_int_01 3186.1239 [thank you, cause I] always have to [/inaudible/,] 3188.8332 2314 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3187.5299 [] 3188.1187 2315 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3188.1187 (pause 0.55) 3188.6678 2316 ROC_se0_ag1_f_02 3188.6678 [Yeah], yeah, yeah, [I- I] get it. 3190.1905 2317 ROC_int_01 3189.5226 [Yeah.] 3189.8735