Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 ROC_int_01 0.4841 Um, I usually say about forty minutes. 3.3315 2 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3.3705 Okay. 3.7482 3 ROC_int_01 3.9114 Yeah. 4.1656 4 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 4.5129 I don't want 5.3942 5 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 5.3942 (pause 0.58) 5.9712 6 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 5.9712 you to be interrupted. I should put my phone on vibrate too. 8.4799 7 ROC_int_01 12.1864 I like your nails. I love nude color. 14.8863 8 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 15.1381 Nude is like [the only color] that I 17.2737 9 ROC_int_01 15.7960 [Mm-hm.] 16.2891 10 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 17.4917 can really wear and feel good in besides black. 20.2575 11 ROC_int_01 20.2661 Yeah. 20.7091 12 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 20.7184 Or gray. 21.1940 13 ROC_int_01 21.2173 Yeah, that's a good point. [Yeah.] 23.4182 14 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 22.9006 [I'm like] slowly getting into flesh tones. I feel like I'm growing up [because I- I] can now wear another color. 28.7048 15 ROC_int_01 26.3004 [] 27.3035 16 ROC_int_01 28.7468 Yeah. 29.3016 17 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 30.0372 Okay. 30.7926 18 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 30.7926 (pause 2.18) 32.9749 19 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 32.9749 /Alright, hey/. 33.4272 20 ROC_int_01 33.4411 Awesome, 33.9706 21 ROC_int_01 33.9706 (pause 0.11) 34.0816 22 ROC_int_01 34.0816 so, 34.7855 23 ROC_int_01 34.7855 (pause 0.32) 35.1077 24 ROC_int_01 35.1077 uh, have you grown up in Rochester your entire life? 38.4666 25 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 38.6904 Yes, [I] have. 39.7116 26 ROC_int_01 39.0961 [Okay.] 39.3665 27 ROC_int_01 40.0567 Okay cool. And where did- where were you born, I guess which part of the city did you grow up [in?] 43.8791 28 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 43.7905 [Um], the s- the South Side, the South Wedge. 46.4956 29 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 47.2131 /RD-ADDRESS-3/- 48.2657 30 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 48.2657 (pause 1.10) 49.3662 31 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 49.3662 whatever neighborhood. 50.4806 32 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 50.4806 (pause 0.26) 50.7417 33 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 50.7417 That's a silly name, [but] 52.2456 34 ROC_int_01 52.0660 [Yeah.] 52.4996 35 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 52.6553 yeah. And then I grew up around there. I've never lived anywhere else 55.7293 36 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 55.7293 (pause 0.23) 55.9615 37 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 55.9615 other then like /RD-ADDRESS-3/. 57.7722 38 ROC_int_01 58.2432 Okay. 58.6768 39 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 59.0592 Kind of around like, school. 60.3881 40 ROC_int_01 60.7180 Yeah, 61.2183 41 ROC_int_01 61.2183 (pause 0.18) 61.4005 42 ROC_int_01 61.4005 [yeah ] 62.4013 43 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 61.4641 [Pretty much. I've always] lived around there. 63.0774 44 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 63.3386 Except for- 64.2991 45 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 64.2991 (pause 0.48) 64.7841 46 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 64.7841 there was- there were like two years when 66.5500 47 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 66.5500 (pause 0.81) 67.3615 48 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 67.3615 I lived in the hood, but 68.4246 49 ROC_int_01 68.5195 [Mm-hm.] 68.9422 50 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 68.7464 [that] ended quickly. 69.8655 51 ROC_int_01 69.9261 [] 70.5183 52 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 71.1944 And- and then I just moved back over here. 73.1657 53 ROC_int_01 73.3242 Yeah. 73.6879 54 ROC_int_01 73.6879 (pause 0.47) 74.1542 55 ROC_int_01 74.1542 Okay. And when you say the hood, what's the hood to you? 76.4250 56 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 76.6582 76.7747 57 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 76.7747 (pause 0.23) 77.0079 58 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 77.0079 It was- 78.5455 59 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 78.5455 (pause 0.64) 79.1890 60 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 79.1890 79.6273 61 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 79.6273 (pause 0.57) 80.2008 62 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 80.2008 it was- it was /RD-ADDRESS-4/. It was between /RD-ADDRESS-5/ on the East Side. And there was a memorial literally 85.4781 63 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 85.4781 (pause 1.09) 86.5645 64 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 86.5645 right in front of my porch with like, mad teddy bears and [stuff.] 88.9741 65 ROC_int_01 88.8620 [Yeah], yeah, [okay.] 90.2422 66 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 89.7130 [Like, someone] got shot 91.0349 67 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 91.3660 right there. [And there was] like a bullet hole in my room. [Like in my wall.] 95.3190 68 ROC_int_01 92.2121 [Mm-hm.] 92.9010 69 ROC_int_01 92.9010 (pause 1.35) 94.2558 70 ROC_int_01 94.2558 [Oh, wow.] 95.3050 71 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 96.2422 Um, I guess it went through. 97.5945 72 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 97.5945 (pause 0.39) 97.9850 73 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 97.9850 I've always thought it was kind of cool, but- 99.8175 74 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 99.8175 (pause 0.62) 100.4377 75 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 100.4377 but then on the way to school one day, I got like, chased by some girls who wanted my coat. 103.9722 76 ROC_int_01 104.9362 Woah. 105.2253 77 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 105.4865 And then I just ran. I ran and ran and ran until- it was in the morning and I was waiting for the bus. And [I ran and ran] until I caught the bus. And I was like, 111.6764 78 ROC_int_01 109.5618 [Mm-hm.] 110.1109 79 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 111.8095 I- maybe I should move, maybe we should move. Like (laughing) [this isn't] working out. Like (laughing). 116.0456 80 ROC_int_01 114.1630 [Yeah.] 114.6386 81 ROC_int_01 116.2555 Yeah, then it was like right away. 117.9574 82 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 118.0600 But other than that, you know, it wasn't so bad. 119.7013 83 ROC_int_01 119.8972 [Mm-hm.] 120.4334 84 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 119.9018 [At all.] 120.4381 85 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 120.6479 I just- I think I need to stick to, uh, The Wedge. 123.4538 86 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 123.4538 (pause 0.11) 123.5611 87 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 123.5611 [And-] and Monroe. 124.7594 88 ROC_int_01 123.5611 [Yeah.] 123.9341 89 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 124.9460 [] 126.1076 90 ROC_int_01 124.9739 [Yeah, nah, I hear you.] 126.2143 91 ROC_int_01 126.7925 And, um, did you grow up with your mom and dad or- 129.5751 92 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 129.6264 Nope, just my mom. 130.4983 93 ROC_int_01 130.4983 Your mom, okay, cool. And what does your mom do? 133.0303 94 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 133.1329 My mom is a preschool teacher. 134.9782 95 ROC_int_01 135.0295 Oh, okay [cool.] 136.4284 96 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 136.1812 [Yep.] She works for a not-for-profit, um, on the East Side. 139.2867 97 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 140.2659 It's called /RD-WORK-6/. 141.8968 98 ROC_int_01 142.0460 Okay. 142.4890 99 ROC_int_01 142.4890 (pause 0.41) 142.9040 100 ROC_int_01 142.9040 I've heard of that actually. [That sounds] familiar. 145.3473 101 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 144.3215 [Yep.] 144.7318 102 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 145.6458 She's been there for like ten years. It sucks because 148.1410 103 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 148.1410 (pause 0.41) 148.5472 104 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 148.5472 everything is- 149.1092 105 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 149.1092 (pause 0.90) 150.0044 106 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 150.0044 it works off of funding, 151.0824 107 ROC_int_01 151.2261 [Mm-hm.] 151.6777 108 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 151.3905 [so.] 151.9442 109 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 152.7451 I don't know. I always felt like she should make more because she does a lot, but 155.9298 110 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 155.9298 (pause 1.34) 157.2681 111 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 157.2681 everyone says teachers make shitty pay. And I guess that's true. 160.6802 112 ROC_int_01 160.6942 Mm-hm, yeah. 161.9112 113 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 162.3402 It sucks though. I feel like, 163.8256 114 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 163.8256 (pause 0.11) 163.9341 115 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 163.9341 it's- 164.2447 116 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 164.2447 (pause 0.47) 164.7186 117 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 164.7186 it's so much 165.5984 118 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 165.5984 (pause 0.35) 165.9434 119 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 165.9434 more important than people seem to think. [And] I always think like she comes home tired when they have a cold, she catches the cold, she brings it home. [Like], 172.3304 120 ROC_int_01 168.1443 [Mm-hm.] 168.5780 121 ROC_int_01 168.5780 (pause 3.33) 171.9108 122 ROC_int_01 171.9108 [Right.] 172.3444 123 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 172.7594 she'll come home like, bruised because like some little kid- some badass little kid decided to like, punch her. Like, some of them 178.9852 124 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 178.9852 (pause 0.22) 179.2093 125 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 179.2093 are like 179.5988 126 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 179.5988 (pause 0.22) 179.8226 127 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 179.8226 179.8972 128 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 179.8972 (pause 0.36) 180.2562 129 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 180.2562 problem children. 181.5199 130 ROC_int_01 181.5245 Right. 182.0468 131 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 182.1634 Which I don't think that's true either, but. 184.8539 132 ROC_int_01 185.0532 Mm-hm. 185.6407 133 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 185.9998 They just are a little bit out of control and 188.1878 134 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 188.1878 (pause 0.24) 188.4295 135 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 188.4295 so, 188.7882 136 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 188.7882 (pause 1.12) 189.9061 137 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 189.9061 yeah. 190.3211 138 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 190.3211 (pause 0.46) 190.7781 139 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 190.7781 But I think she should 191.9951 140 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 191.9951 (pause 0.29) 192.2889 141 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 192.2889 make a lot more (whispered). 193.1189 142 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 193.1189 (pause 0.24) 193.3613 143 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 193.3613 but (whispered) that's what she does. 194.1296 144 ROC_int_01 194.2368 Yeah. 194.7078 145 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 194.8150 And she likes it, so. 196.1066 146 ROC_int_01 196.5449 Okay. So did she have any preferences I guess growing up, on where to send you to school? 201.1647 147 ROC_int_01 201.1647 (pause 0.51) 201.6730 148 ROC_int_01 201.6730 Seeing as though like, she's a teacher and what not 203.7666 149 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 203.9567 204.1676 150 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 204.1676 (pause 0.07) 204.2376 151 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 204.2376 Um, she didn't work when I was 205.7309 152 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 205.7309 (pause 0.13) 205.8604 153 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 205.8604 growing up. [She just] took care of me. 207.5844 154 ROC_int_01 206.4058 [Okay.] 206.6716 155 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 207.9947 So, 208.5916 156 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 208.5916 (pause 0.62) 209.2071 157 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 209.2071 she didn't work until I was sixteen. 211.4126 158 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 211.4126 (pause 0.48) 211.8976 159 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 211.8976 Um, 212.5037 160 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 212.5037 (pause 0.42) 212.9190 161 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 212.9190 /We had to go/ live with my grandmother. I guess she just really wanted to raise me herself like, she didn't want to put me in daycare. 217.5491 162 ROC_int_01 217.5771 Mm-hm. 218.1273 163 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 218.1926 Or anything, um. 219.4598 164 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 219.4598 (pause 0.75) 220.2105 165 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 220.2105 So I grew up a little isolated. 222.4393 166 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 222.4393 (pause 0.26) 222.7005 167 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 222.7005 Like (laughing). 223.2414 168 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 223.2414 (pause 0.79) 224.0294 169 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 224.0294 I guess. And she, 225.6272 170 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 225.6272 (pause 0.23) 225.8548 171 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 225.8548 just, 226.3690 172 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 226.3690 (pause 2.04) 228.4067 173 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 228.4067 she knew that I was always artsy and /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was her first choice. 232.2664 174 ROC_int_01 232.2944 Mm-hm. 232.8027 175 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 233.1617 Um, 233.7259 176 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 233.7259 (pause 0.83) 234.5606 177 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 234.5606 cause it was my first choice, I thought it would be fun. 236.9653 178 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 236.9653 (pause 0.43) 237.3991 179 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 237.3991 And so, I got in. That was back when the lottery was a thing. 240.8880 180 ROC_int_01 240.8870 Right. 241.3952 181 ROC_int_01 241.5864 241.7450 182 ROC_int_01 241.7450 (pause 0.14) 241.8802 183 ROC_int_01 241.8802 Wait so you've been going since sixth [grade?] Oh, okay I thought you came for high [school.] 246.4953 184 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 243.6509 [Yeah.] 243.9214 185 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 243.9214 (pause 2.34) 246.2575 186 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 246.2575 [Mm-mm] nope. I was there since sixth grade. 248.5563 187 ROC_int_01 248.6624 Wow. 249.1707 188 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 249.1613 It was the best. I would go back right now. 250.8493 189 ROC_int_01 250.8586 Yeah, [okay.] 251.5487 190 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 251.1477 [Like], fuck being an adult. 252.4125 191 ROC_int_01 252.4487 [ agreed.] 254.5703 192 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 253.2355 [I would go back right] now, tomorrow, and it would be the best. 256.4398 193 ROC_int_01 256.4623 Yeah. 256.8913 194 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 256.9845 I can't think of like a better time period in my life than high school, even though I was not popular. 261.2127 195 ROC_int_01 261.3991 [Mm-hm.] 261.7162 196 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 261.5903 [At] all (laughing). 262.6348 197 ROC_int_01 262.7700 Girl, me and you both [.] 265.2031 198 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 264.6343 [I was] so- 265.9259 199 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 266.3269 oh I was ugly [until like the ten grade. Like, I was. I was.] It was horrible. And then I got boobs. And then high school 273.4833 200 ROC_int_01 267.2082 [/I was telling people/, stop, stop.] 270.2286 201 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 273.8703 was like 274.5278 202 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 274.5278 (pause 0.25) 274.7738 203 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 274.7738 totally different. But [even before like], 276.7415 204 ROC_int_01 275.8462 [] 276.7415 205 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 277.2824 even when no one talked to me, like 279.1522 206 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 279.1522 (pause 0.20) 279.3527 207 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 279.3527 it was still the best. I loved it. 281.1888 208 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 281.1888 (pause 0.25) 281.4406 209 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 281.4406 Didn't you love it? 282.2286 210 ROC_int_01 282.4011 Yeah. I actually miss high school a lot too. 285.2548 211 ROC_int_01 285.2548 (pause 0.56) 285.8148 212 ROC_int_01 285.8148 I mean yeah. I'm not with this being a grown up [stuff.] 288.6172 213 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 288.1369 [No.] 288.5706 214 ROC_int_01 288.7852 [Like-] 289.1161 215 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 289.0311 [No] no, no no, I'm not either (laughing). 291.6796 216 ROC_int_01 291.7076 You know, but you were like me. I grew up with my mom. My mom was a stay-at-home mom. 296.8729 217 ROC_int_01 296.8729 (pause 0.38) 297.2506 218 ROC_int_01 297.2506 Like most of my life [so.] 298.9941 219 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 298.8645 [Yeah.] 299.2510 220 ROC_int_01 299.4375 Yeah. 299.8199 221 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 299.8292 I'd like to be a stay at home mom. 301.4239 222 ROC_int_01 301.5731 Yeah. 301.9881 223 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 302.3600 I really would. 303.0174 224 ROC_int_01 303.3345 I think it's really beneficial for the kids. I mean, 305.5587 225 ROC_int_01 305.5587 (pause 0.50) 306.0577 226 ROC_int_01 306.0577 society like, 307.1523 227 ROC_int_01 307.1523 (pause 0.45) 307.5999 228 ROC_int_01 307.5999 could look down on it sometimes. And they're like, oh I'll be able to- /if you're a woman and all the-/ I'm like nah, 312.4743 229 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 312.4813 [No.] 312.9779 230 ROC_int_01 312.6638 [I loved] it. 313.4099 231 ROC_int_01 313.5305 314.0877 232 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 314.1344 Yeah. 314.6473 233 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 314.6473 (pause 0.27) 314.9177 234 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 314.9177 I- I absolutely agree. 316.7707 235 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 316.7707 (pause 0.27) 317.0365 236 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 317.0365 I- 317.6146 237 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 317.6146 (pause 0.88) 318.4959 238 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 318.4959 It's a job. 319.1697 239 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 319.1697 (pause 0.33) 319.5025 240 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 319.5025 It's, uh, a [legitimate job.] 320.8361 241 ROC_int_01 320.2556 [Mm-hm.] 320.8315 242 ROC_int_01 321.3887 Mm-hm. 321.6964 243 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 321.7244 Too bad people don't 322.4728 244 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 322.4728 (pause 0.16) 322.6378 245 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 322.6378 see it that way but it is. 323.7032 246 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 323.7032 (pause 0.16) 323.8641 247 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 323.8641 It's just as important as going and punching in somewhere. 326.8291 248 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 326.8291 (pause 0.16) 326.9900 249 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 326.9900 I mean it's way better, cause who even wants to punch in somewhere. Like, 329.5097 250 ROC_int_01 329.9154 Mm-hm. 330.1975 251 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 330.1928 I've never been able to keep a job that I punch in at. 332.1763 252 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 332.5074 Ever. 332.8431 253 ROC_int_01 332.9970 Yeah. 333.2348 254 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 333.3561 Like, I 334.3399 255 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 334.3399 (pause 0.49) 334.8266 256 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 334.8266 unintentionally just, 335.7662 257 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 335.7662 (pause 0.17) 335.9411 258 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 335.9411 like I think mess it up, because I can't do it. 338.3978 259 ROC_int_01 338.5470 Mm. 339.0841 260 ROC_int_01 339.0841 (pause 0.08) 339.1672 261 ROC_int_01 339.1672 [Yeah, yeah.] 339.7244 262 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 339.1695 [I think- I] think it's slowly just grows and grows. Like the resentment, or whatever of being like in a place, where you're monitored, like, 346.4099 263 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 346.5538 uh, I'm gonna punch in now, I'm gonna punch out, like I- it feels so normal that it's terrible. 350.5704 264 ROC_int_01 350.6380 Mm-hm. 351.0739 265 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 351.1509 So eventually, like 352.1318 266 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 352.1318 (pause 0.44) 352.5725 267 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 352.5725 I get fired or I quit (laughing). 353.7895 268 ROC_int_01 353.9341 Yeah. 354.4143 269 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 354.5053 But, 354.7990 270 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 354.7990 (pause 0.40) 355.2018 271 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 355.2018 Yeah. 355.6961 272 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 355.6961 (pause 0.42) 356.1134 273 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 356.1134 I w- I would like to be a stay-at-home mom someday. 358.0089 274 ROC_int_01 358.2234 Yeah. Nah I'm- I don't blame you. [] 360.7338 275 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 360.5939 [Before] my ovaries, like atrophy, [and die], hopefully 364.4169 276 ROC_int_01 362.9685 [] 363.8184 277 ROC_int_01 364.4169 Girl, you still got time. 365.5377 278 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 365.5494 Mm-mm, where? 366.7687 279 ROC_int_01 366.9506 367.6750 280 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 367.6797 Where? (laughing) 368.3698 281 ROC_int_01 368.4724 You still got time. I [mean-] 369.9477 282 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 369.7827 [] 370.6681 283 ROC_int_01 370.8080 Yeah. 371.3442 284 ROC_int_01 371.3442 (pause 0.57) 371.9189 285 ROC_int_01 371.9189 But [ right I don't know about here, but] 375.9214 286 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 372.3899 [Mm-hm, I don't know. No, no, no.] 375.5685 287 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 376.7444 I don't know. 377.3507 288 ROC_int_01 378.4085 Well, in high school you said- 380.3063 289 ROC_int_01 380.3063 (pause 0.20) 380.5045 290 ROC_int_01 380.5045 did you mostly hang out by yourself then, from, [like, six to tenth or-] 383.9282 291 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 382.7258 [Um.] 383.0942 292 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 383.0942 (pause 0.42) 383.5138 293 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 383.5138 [Yeah], I did. 385.8532 294 ROC_int_01 386.1245 [Mm.] 386.5908 295 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 386.5768 [I-] I- 387.3905 296 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 387.5461 from like, tenth on, I had like a couple of friends that I 390.2063 297 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 390.2063 (pause 0.12) 390.3285 298 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 390.3285 finally felt like I fit in with, but 391.7491 299 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 391.7491 (pause 1.10) 392.8496 300 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 392.8496 I didn't 393.4371 301 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 393.4371 (pause 0.79) 394.2315 302 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 394.2315 have like, 395.1758 303 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 395.1758 (pause 0.74) 395.9195 304 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 395.9195 I didn't have 396.5763 305 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 396.5763 (pause 0.22) 396.7955 306 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 396.7955 a place where I felt like I belonged. It [wasn't.] 399.2459 307 ROC_int_01 398.6351 [Mm-hm.] 399.2109 308 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 400.0240 Like, I kind of got like the shitty end of the stick in high school. 403.4180 309 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 403.4180 (pause 0.19) 403.6076 310 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 403.6076 404.0138 311 ROC_int_01 403.9869 Mm. 404.5356 312 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 404.5706 [For-] for a while. [Like], 405.7513 313 ROC_int_01 405.6766 [Yeah.] 406.0473 314 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 406.0707 I loved school. I loved actual school. [Like I never] hated school, but, 409.8517 315 ROC_int_01 408.2990 [Yeah.] 408.5554 316 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 410.6747 uh, 411.2016 317 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 411.2016 (pause 0.18) 411.3782 318 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 411.3782 it took a while to find people who I think 413.7656 319 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 413.7656 (pause 0.18) 413.9492 320 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 413.9492 like, 414.2846 321 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 414.2846 (pause 0.13) 414.4141 322 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 414.4141 wanted to be friend and by tenth grade, I think 416.8216 323 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 416.8216 (pause 0.25) 417.0687 324 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 417.0687 maybe I found them. 418.0030 325 ROC_int_01 418.3598 Mm-hm. 418.9426 326 ROC_int_01 418.9426 (pause 0.49) 419.4299 327 ROC_int_01 419.4299 Do you still talk with them or- 420.9634 328 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 421.0613 421.1779 329 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 421.1779 (pause 0.12) 421.3015 330 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 421.3015 Yeah I do, actually. 423.2459 331 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 423.2459 (pause 0.14) 423.3829 332 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 423.3829 Um, 423.9611 333 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 423.9611 (pause 0.82) 424.7830 334 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 424.7830 I talk to at least a couple of them. And it's funny cause we are still 428.2150 335 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 428.2150 (pause 0.11) 428.3235 336 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 428.3235 really close. 429.1107 337 ROC_int_01 429.1293 Okay. 429.4627 338 ROC_int_01 429.4627 (pause 0.21) 429.6766 339 ROC_int_01 429.6766 [That's good.] 430.1732 340 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 429.8049 [Um.] 430.3458 341 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 430.5952 and-it- it's funny how it turned out that way, but 432.4324 342 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 432.4324 (pause 0.16) 432.5880 343 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 432.5880 I think we always will be. 433.8820 344 ROC_int_01 434.0825 Mm-hm. 434.5791 345 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 435.0052 Yeah there is 435.8049 346 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 435.8049 (pause 0.23) 436.0334 347 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 436.0334 someone that I don't talk to anymore. And 438.6580 348 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 438.6580 (pause 1.19) 439.8462 349 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 439.8462 um, 440.4672 350 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 440.4672 (pause 0.28) 440.7493 351 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 440.7493 and then obviously, like, 442.1383 352 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 442.1383 (pause 0.84) 442.9799 353 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 442.9799 I dated /RD-NAME-1/ after high [school.] 444.8492 354 ROC_int_01 444.3363 [Oh yeah.] 444.8468 355 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 444.9681 [Forever.] 445.5253 356 ROC_int_01 444.9751 [Right.] 445.5276 357 ROC_int_01 445.6463 [Mm-hm.] 446.0380 358 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 445.6722 [We're- we're] good. We're just not together. [But], 447.7769 359 ROC_int_01 447.5624 [Yeah.] 447.8655 360 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 448.3131 um, 448.7934 361 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 448.7934 (pause 0.87) 449.6677 362 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 449.6677 and that was funny 450.5117 363 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 450.5117 (pause 0.11) 450.6230 364 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 450.6230 too cause that, 451.7165 365 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 451.7165 (pause 0.42) 452.1360 366 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 452.1360 I thought we were gonna get married. And I was like, am I really gonna marry someone that I met in fucking high school, like, 457.4507 367 ROC_int_01 457.6609 Mm-hm. 457.9589 368 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 458.0261 I've known him for so long. 460.0567 369 ROC_int_01 460.1359 [Yeah.] 460.5367 370 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 460.3581 [How] are we s- how are we still like, in contact. In a- in a thing. How? 464.4625 371 ROC_int_01 464.4870 Mm-hm. 465.0753 372 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 465.0058 But 465.2739 373 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 465.4668 it's just like that, I feel like, 466.8750 374 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 466.8750 (pause 0.32) 467.1968 375 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 467.1968 I don't know, if it was like the class of o-seven. 469.2269 376 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 469.2269 (pause 0.61) 469.8354 377 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 469.8354 or- uh- something about us, [but] 471.5763 378 ROC_int_01 471.1824 [Mm-hm.] 471.6953 379 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 472.5766 yeah I'm still pretty close to a lot of 474.9774 380 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 474.9774 (pause 0.70) 475.6815 381 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 475.6815 the people who I was back then. 476.9521 382 ROC_int_01 477.3549 And was your major, art? 478.7584 383 ROC_int_01 478.7584 (pause 0.37) 479.1292 384 ROC_int_01 479.1292 Right? [Or visual?] 480.1084 385 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 479.4137 [It was theater.] 480.4394 386 ROC_int_01 481.3158 Theater, okay. 482.3620 387 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 482.6954 [Mm-hm.] 483.2037 388 ROC_int_01 482.8818 [I didn't] know that. 483.9870 389 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 484.0057 It was. 484.5979 390 ROC_int_01 484.6206 Yeah, okay. 485.6394 391 ROC_int_01 485.6394 (pause 0.14) 485.7793 392 ROC_int_01 485.7793 Cool. 486.3599 393 ROC_int_01 486.3599 (pause 0.34) 486.6956 394 ROC_int_01 486.6956 And, um, 487.9336 395 ROC_int_01 487.9336 (pause 0.34) 488.2711 396 ROC_int_01 488.2711 what'd you like, I guess about, the theater program at /RD-SCHOOL-4/? 491.7653 397 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 492.5604 Um, I liked, the fact that I didn't have to take gym, cause they made us take gym cause they made us take dance. 497.4160 398 ROC_int_01 497.4545 Oh. 498.0979 399 ROC_int_01 498.0979 (pause 0.16) 498.2584 400 ROC_int_01 498.2584 [Yeah.] 498.6892 401 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 498.4531 [And] they also taught you how to sing. 500.5627 402 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 500.7308 And I- 501.2829 403 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 501.2829 (pause 0.60) 501.8798 404 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 501.8798 It was like a bunch of majors in one. 503.5182 405 ROC_int_01 503.5275 Mm-hm. 504.0684 406 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 504.1081 W- we had to take dance everyday. 505.5932 407 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 505.5932 (pause 0.60) 506.1965 408 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 506.1965 And we also, like 507.4997 409 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 507.4997 (pause 0.31) 507.8145 410 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 507.8145 had to take voice lessons. 509.0292 411 ROC_int_01 509.0979 [Right.] 509.6932 412 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 509.1224 [so it's kind of like], a little bit of vocal, and it was a lot of dance actually. 511.8706 413 ROC_int_01 511.9120 Mm-hm. 512.4063 414 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 512.4366 And it was interesting, and it was fun. And 514.7937 415 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 514.7937 (pause 1.07) 515.8633 416 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 515.8633 that's what attracted me to it. 517.6468 417 ROC_int_01 517.8240 Yeah, did you have favorite shows while you were there or- 520.9243 418 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 521.0216 I couldn't. 521.5369 419 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 521.5369 (pause 0.66) 522.1943 420 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 522.1943 I- I couldn't participate in all the shows. And I really wanted too, [cause I didn't have a] ride back 526.8403 421 ROC_int_01 525.6155 [Mm-hm.] 526.1261 422 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 527.1219 from like, late [rehearsals] 528.4141 423 ROC_int_01 527.9915 [Okay.] 528.5277 424 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 528.5016 and my mom, I guess was a little overprotective, and she worried. /And/ 531.7399 425 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 532.3414 she couldn't like, drive me home 534.2130 426 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 534.2130 (pause 0.62) 534.8355 427 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 534.8355 at the times when 536.0758 428 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 536.0758 (pause 0.13) 536.2011 429 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 536.2011 rehearsals would end 537.9520 430 ROC_int_01 538.0360 [Mm-hm.] 538.6559 431 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 538.0686 [And] 538.8870 432 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 539.9682 I guess I always kind of resented her for that, cause I would have been on the stage a lot more. 543.2293 433 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 543.2293 (pause 0.47) 543.7002 434 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 543.7002 [But.] 544.1409 435 ROC_int_01 543.7589 [Yeah.] 544.1502 436 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 544.5017 I mean, 545.1498 437 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 545.1498 (pause 0.24) 545.3853 438 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 545.3853 we- we had to see all of the shows too anyway. 548.5578 439 ROC_int_01 548.6814 Mm-hm. 549.2060 440 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 549.2759 So we could like, write about them. And 551.0129 441 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 551.0129 (pause 0.20) 551.2166 442 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 551.2166 so we got to see them all anyway. 552.9163 443 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 552.9163 (pause 0.35) 553.2665 444 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 553.2665 I don't know if I had a favorite show. 554.8263 445 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 554.8263 (pause 0.48) 555.3066 446 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 555.3066 I swore we were gonna do Grease one day, 557.2084 447 ROC_int_01 557.3903 Yeah. 557.7470 448 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 557.7493 so I learned all the songs, just because I thought we were gonna do it. And I was like, 561.2016 449 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 561.2016 (pause 0.06) 561.2646 450 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 561.2646 wait, I was like when we do it, 562.8331 451 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 562.8331 (pause 0.31) 563.1478 452 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 563.1478 like in September when we found out all the shows that were gonna happen. I was like watch, one day, I'm gonna come to school, like one year, 568.7445 453 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 568.7445 (pause 0.43) 569.1781 454 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 569.1781 and they're gonna say Grease, and I'm gonna kill [everything. because I know], every song. And like, 573.3994 455 ROC_int_01 571.3699 [] 572.2838 456 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 573.5080 it [n- never] happened but- 574.9837 457 ROC_int_01 573.6128 [Yeah.] 574.1676 458 ROC_int_01 575.3847 [Mm-hm.] 575.9209 459 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 575.8743 [So] I always hoped we would do Grease, but we didn't. 577.5809 460 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 577.9341 I was in one play. 578.7617 461 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 578.7617 (pause 0.47) 579.2275 462 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 579.2275 And I was in the ninth grade. 580.4474 463 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 580.4474 (pause 0.64) 581.0832 464 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 581.0832 And I was a second lead. 582.0375 465 ROC_int_01 582.2706 [Mm-hm.] 582.7516 466 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 582.7237 [Which] I guess was okay, but it wasn't good enough. 584.4529 467 ROC_int_01 584.6475 Mm, [y- yeah.] 586.2003 468 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 584.9973 [You know it wasn't good enough for me.] 586.2003 469 ROC_int_01 586.7552 [Yeah, yeah,] 587.7858 470 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 586.7598 [] 587.6019 471 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 588.1517 [You know] I wanted to go further, but I didn't really get a chance to- 591.0439 472 ROC_int_01 588.1675 [right.] 588.4547 473 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 591.5521 to do a lot more plays, but that's okay. [Cause] 593.7161 474 ROC_int_01 593.4966 [Mm-hm.] 594.0235 475 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 594.0347 watching them 594.8437 476 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 594.8437 (pause 0.19) 595.0293 477 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 595.0293 was just as fun. 595.9726 478 ROC_int_01 596.5030 Yeah. 596.9366 479 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 597.2677 Maybe. 597.6967 480 ROC_int_01 597.8739 [] 598.5220 481 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 597.8785 [Not really], but it was still fun. 599.4380 482 ROC_int_01 599.5432 Yeah. 600.0421 483 ROC_int_01 600.0421 (pause 0.14) 600.1867 484 ROC_int_01 600.1867 I always said, I would have liked to be in theater if I wasn't in creative writing, 603.8366 485 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 604.6060 I [should] have been a creative writing major. 606.4851 486 ROC_int_01 604.6992 [so.] 605.0303 487 ROC_int_01 605.0303 (pause 1.27) 606.2986 488 ROC_int_01 606.2986 [You] should. [You really should've.] 608.3083 489 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 607.2218 [I should've.] 608.1638 490 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 608.6429 I should've, but I was, 610.1770 491 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 610.1770 (pause 0.35) 610.5220 492 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 610.5220 like, 610.8484 493 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 610.8484 (pause 0.62) 611.4733 494 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 611.4733 I was stuck on drama. I wanted to get noticed and nobody ever noticed me [until-] 615.2436 495 ROC_int_01 615.0642 [Mm-hm.] 615.5102 496 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 616.0791 Like they noticed me for the wrong reasons. Like, 617.9862 497 ROC_int_01 617.9862 Mm. 618.2660 498 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 618.2660 when I was almost done with high school. And I always knew it was the wrong reasons, but 621.6920 499 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 622.1024 [looking-] 622.8578 500 ROC_int_01 622.1024 [When you say wrong], what do you mean by wrong? 624.1494 501 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 624.3312 Um. 625.0167 502 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 625.0167 (pause 0.78) 625.7954 503 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 625.7954 Well I feel like 627.4751 504 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 627.4751 (pause 0.21) 627.6817 505 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 627.6817 when I grew boobs, [people] like- like boys started to look at me. And like, 632.1638 506 ROC_int_01 629.1096 [Okay.] 629.4360 507 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 632.5823 I'd have a crush on a boy forever, but like, 634.5905 508 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 634.5905 (pause 0.22) 634.8111 509 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 634.8111 I don't know, my clothes were fucked up. And like, 636.7089 510 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 636.7089 (pause 0.38) 637.0866 511 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 637.0866 I was kind of broke and, grew up kind of poor. So I never really looked my best. 640.8298 512 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 640.8298 (pause 0.75) 641.5758 513 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 641.5758 And maybe- I mean I was like skinny, and I was a stick figure. I didn't [have anything.] So I don't think I was really like, 649.3711 514 ROC_int_01 646.2143 [Mm-hm.] 646.8717 515 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 650.1859 noticed until, 651.6237 516 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 651.6237 (pause 0.13) 651.7568 517 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 651.7568 oh, of course 652.6992 518 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 652.6992 (pause 0.30) 652.9976 519 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 652.9976 you got boobs. now it's like, oh, it's like there's a new person in class. I've been here since the sixth grade. Like, 658.1355 520 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 658.1355 (pause 0.44) 658.5780 521 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 658.5780 you know, 658.9417 522 ROC_int_01 659.2401 Mm-hm. 659.6411 523 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 659.6318 I've been here like, and no one looked, but- 661.8910 524 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 662.0906 but 662.4389 525 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 662.4389 (pause 0.49) 662.9320 526 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 662.9320 663.0252 527 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 663.0252 (pause 0.07) 663.0905 528 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 663.0905 i- it all balanced out and evened out. 664.9557 529 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 664.9557 (pause 0.77) 665.7251 530 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 665.7251 [And] it still was like the best experience. 667.8187 531 ROC_int_01 665.7319 [Yeah.] 666.0467 532 ROC_int_01 668.0414 Mm-hm, 668.5480 533 ROC_int_01 668.5480 (pause 0.36) 668.9052 534 ROC_int_01 668.9052 yeah. 669.3376 535 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 670.1537 So, 670.5964 536 ROC_int_01 671.9235 Would you, um, 673.3049 537 ROC_int_01 673.3049 (pause 0.42) 673.7289 538 ROC_int_01 673.7289 how would you describe I guess, your image 675.8070 539 ROC_int_01 675.8070 (pause 0.20) 676.0031 540 ROC_int_01 676.0031 of transition out of high school to like, I guess being an adult. 680.0239 541 ROC_int_01 680.0239 (pause 0.35) 680.3771 542 ROC_int_01 680.3771 How have you felt like [you've changed?] 682.2143 543 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 681.3423 [Um.] 682.0138 544 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 683.4080 I can't even really say that I've changed, cause I was still 686.3643 545 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 686.3643 (pause 1.06) 687.4262 546 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 687.4262 developing. They were formative years. [So] like, I can't say I was something and now I'm something [else.] 692.6583 547 ROC_int_01 689.4872 [Mm-hm.] 689.8370 548 ROC_int_01 689.8370 (pause 2.51) 692.3435 549 ROC_int_01 692.3435 [Yeah.] 692.6408 550 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 692.9693 I didn't even think I was ready, to pop out of any type of shell, like. 696.0235 551 ROC_int_01 696.0888 Yeah. 696.4991 552 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 697.0260 Like I lost my virginity like, 698.7781 553 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 698.7781 (pause 0.41) 699.1838 554 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 699.1838 two months before we graduated. 700.6013 555 ROC_int_01 700.7692 Mm. 701.1375 556 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 701.1515 And like, I had to listen to everyone else talking about sex forever, and I was just like, I'm not ready, I'm not ready, I'm not ready. How could you do that? Like, 707.1142 557 ROC_int_01 707.1702 Mm-hm. 707.6411 558 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 707.6504 I didn't get kissed till I was sixteen, almost [seventeen.] Like not even one kiss. So I feel like I was a late bloomer in that aspect. 714.2473 559 ROC_int_01 709.7569 [Mm-hm.] 710.2325 560 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 714.8535 And so, I can't even say I was something. I think [when I] graduated, 719.6551 561 ROC_int_01 718.4378 [Mm.] 718.7875 562 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 720.5772 my- my mom finally let me cut my hair. Cause I wanted to cut it forever. 723.8459 563 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 723.8459 (pause 0.76) 724.6060 564 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 724.6060 And then I- 725.1049 565 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 725.1049 (pause 0.30) 725.4033 566 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 725.4033 I cut my hair and I started modeling and then I shaved my head (laughing). 729.1651 567 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 729.1651 (pause 0.55) 729.7153 568 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 729.7153 And then it just, I li- I just did what I wanted. 732.4758 569 ROC_int_01 732.9934 [Mm-hm.] 733.3449 570 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 733.2312 [And-] and I didn't really- 735.0859 571 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 736.1816 I think once I was like, free from my 738.2404 572 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 738.2404 (pause 0.29) 738.5276 573 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 738.5276 kind of 738.9398 574 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 738.9398 (pause 0.39) 739.3296 575 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 739.3296 restricted 740.2978 576 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 740.2978 (pause 0.51) 740.8061 577 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 740.8061 home life. I just did exactly what I wanted to do. 743.3380 578 ROC_int_01 743.5758 Mm-hm. 744.0375 579 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 744.3172 I don't know, I've always done exactly what I wanted to do and that's probably changed. 747.5335 580 ROC_int_01 747.7946 Yeah. 748.2469 581 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 748.2096 [But], what I've been doing hasn't changed. 749.8259 582 ROC_int_01 749.8888 Okay. 750.2700 583 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 750.6297 But what I've- what I've want has- has changed slightly, so I just go with that. 754.1210 584 ROC_int_01 754.3169 Mm-hm. 754.7289 585 ROC_int_01 754.7289 (pause 0.39) 755.1235 586 ROC_int_01 755.1235 Yeah, 755.5169 587 ROC_int_01 755.5169 (pause 0.26) 755.7760 588 ROC_int_01 755.7760 yeah. 756.1867 589 ROC_int_01 756.1867 (pause 0.44) 756.6297 590 ROC_int_01 756.6297 And how did you get into the modeling stuff 758.8209 591 ROC_int_01 758.8209 (pause 0.37) 759.1956 592 ROC_int_01 759.1956 after, high school? 760.4143 593 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 760.0921 760.1902 594 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 760.8904 Um, 761.6394 595 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 761.6394 (pause 0.18) 761.8186 596 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 761.8186 started in high school. 763.5856 597 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 763.5856 (pause 0.70) 764.2885 598 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 764.2885 I did one of those stupid- you remember In Control? 766.1630 599 ROC_int_01 766.7785 Yes, I do. 767.5385 600 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 767.5479 So I did one of their [stupid fashion shows. That wasn't really] a fashion show. 770.9133 601 ROC_int_01 768.2007 [] 770.1498 602 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 771.5521 But like, for us it was, I [guess back then.] 773.9395 603 ROC_int_01 773.0396 [/Yeah I think it was/] yeah a lot of- 774.6903 604 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 774.8954 And then /RD-NAME-2/'s mom 776.4062 605 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 776.4062 (pause 0.30) 776.7035 606 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 776.7035 wanted me to do her 778.7412 607 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 778.7412 (pause 0.74) 779.4826 608 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 779.4826 her hair show. And I 780.6441 609 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 780.6441 (pause 0.20) 780.8438 610 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 780.8438 did her hair show [for like three] years straight. And then it just went on from there. 784.1397 611 ROC_int_01 781.6229 [Mm-hm.] 782.1218 612 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 784.7785 And- 785.4173 613 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 785.4173 (pause 1.30) 786.7136 614 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 786.7136 and it- I started off really small. And I'm still doing it, 790.4180 615 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 790.4180 (pause 0.15) 790.5686 616 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 790.5686 but 790.9417 617 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 790.9417 (pause 1.82) 792.7649 618 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 792.7649 I know I can't do it forever, I don't really wanna do it for much longer. 795.4542 619 ROC_int_01 795.5755 Mm-hm. 796.0791 620 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 796.2702 I'm twenty-six now, and I've been doing it for nine years and eh, it's really not the greatest 803.0769 621 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 803.0769 (pause 0.23) 803.3101 622 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 803.3101 honestly. 804.0841 623 ROC_int_01 804.1121 Yeah. 804.4618 624 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 804.8815 You worry about your body and [it makes] you look at yourself 808.3144 625 ROC_int_01 806.7548 [Mm-hm.] 807.1418 626 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 809.0349 under like a- a- a far stricter like, 811.6928 627 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 811.6928 (pause 2.62) 814.3169 628 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 814.3169 magnifying glass than you would if you 816.1680 629 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 816.1680 (pause 0.52) 816.6856 630 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 816.6856 weren't 817.2545 631 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 817.2545 (pause 1.09) 818.3445 632 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 818.3445 in this field. 819.3655 633 ROC_int_01 819.5521 [Yeah.] 819.7900 634 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 819.6912 [And-] and you didn't have to worry about 822.1261 635 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 823.1659 like 823.5156 636 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 823.5156 (pause 0.56) 824.0740 637 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 824.0740 you're chosen because you look at certain way. That's fucked up. 826.3495 638 ROC_int_01 826.4847 Mm-hm. 826.9697 639 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 826.9697 That is fucked up. 827.9442 640 ROC_int_01 828.0561 [Mm-hm, yeah.] 828.8859 641 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 828.3683 [I don't know] why anyone would want [to] actually do that. 831.0961 642 ROC_int_01 830.0003 [Mm.] 830.1589 643 ROC_int_01 831.2173 Mm-hm. 831.6836 644 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 832.5975 But, 832.9613 645 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 832.9613 (pause 1.38) 834.3403 646 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 834.3403 sometimes like, the finished product. The piece of art is really nice. 837.3526 647 ROC_int_01 837.7582 [Mm-hm.] 838.1266 648 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 838.0287 [And] you were a part of it. 839.3902 649 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 839.8985 And I 840.2109 650 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 840.2109 (pause 0.40) 840.6154 651 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 840.6154 take that seriously, 841.7578 652 ROC_int_01 841.8045 Yeah. 842.1076 653 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 842.6018 but. 842.9282 654 ROC_int_01 842.9609 Cause you're and artist. [] 844.0800 655 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 844.1499 Like, I don't- 845.3343 656 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 845.3343 (pause 1.45) 846.7880 657 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 846.7880 I think people make the mistake of like, thinking that pretty girls don't need to be told they're pretty. 850.8074 658 ROC_int_01 851.2224 Mm. 851.8425 659 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 851.9160 N-no. Nobody tell pretty girls they're pretty. 854.1215 660 ROC_int_01 854.2241 Mm-hm. 854.5738 661 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 854.5832 Because 855.0961 662 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 855.0961 (pause 0.35) 855.4411 663 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 855.4411 people like you, think she doesn't need to hear it, cause people like you think other people tell her all the time, [but really nobody] tells her 861.4894 664 ROC_int_01 860.0236 [Mm.] 860.5878 665 ROC_int_01 861.5251 [Mm-hm] 861.9914 666 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 861.6928 [Because] everybody thinks that she's hearing it from some- 863.6504 667 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 863.8360 somewhere else. 864.6201 668 ROC_int_01 864.6341 Yeah. 864.9885 669 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 864.9698 And 865.2962 670 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 865.9956 then she ends up hearing it from nowhere. 867.3619 671 ROC_int_01 867.6417 Mm-hm. 868.1639 672 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 868.1732 So if you combine that with, 869.5954 673 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 869.5954 (pause 1.30) 870.8952 674 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 870.8952 uh, 871.6692 675 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 871.6692 (pause 0.39) 872.0563 676 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 872.0563 a career goal, 873.5997 677 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 873.5997 (pause 0.66) 874.2572 678 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 874.2572 that 874.6069 679 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 874.6069 (pause 0.95) 875.5534 680 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 875.5534 it- it- it only reaches success if someone 878.2661 681 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 878.2661 (pause 0.51) 878.7790 682 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 878.7790 likes the way you look. 880.0193 683 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 880.0193 (pause 1.00) 881.0219 684 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 881.0219 You could be 881.7446 685 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 881.7446 (pause 1.08) 882.8253 686 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 882.8253 good at eighty-five thousand things, but if you don't look like this, [it's like], bye. 887.6933 687 ROC_int_01 886.7374 [Mm.] 887.1105 688 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 888.5735 And that, 889.1097 689 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 889.1097 (pause 0.35) 889.4548 690 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 889.4548 like completely messes you up. 891.1194 691 ROC_int_01 891.3572 Yeah. 891.5717 692 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 891.8608 891.9451 693 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 891.9451 (pause 0.20) 892.1452 694 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 892.1452 So, 892.5136 695 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 892.5136 (pause 0.37) 892.8866 696 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 892.8866 it's not fun. 893.6980 697 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 893.6980 (pause 0.62) 894.3217 698 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 894.3217 But if you can separate 895.6319 699 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 895.6319 (pause 0.41) 896.0423 700 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 896.0423 yourself from all that and just- 897.6183 701 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 897.6183 (pause 0.80) 898.4204 702 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 898.4204 like I found the art to focus on. That part of it is fun. 900.5921 703 ROC_int_01 900.9512 Mm-hm. 901.4361 704 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 901.6319 And I think as long as people wanna photograph me, 903.8188 705 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 903.8188 (pause 0.48) 904.3038 706 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 904.3038 I'll just let them 905.0452 707 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 905.0452 (pause 0.50) 905.5488 708 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 905.5488 until- 906.1363 709 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 906.1363 (pause 0.88) 907.0164 710 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 907.0164 until I really don't want to anymore. 908.8443 711 ROC_int_01 908.9749 Yeah. 909.4365 712 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 909.4691 But at this point it's about- 910.6395 713 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 910.6395 (pause 0.82) 911.4602 714 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 911.4602 like, I- I'm not even really trying too hard anymore. 914.2335 715 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 914.2335 (pause 0.19) 914.4246 716 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 914.4246 [I take] what comes like, 915.9867 717 ROC_int_01 914.5809 [Mm.] 914.9236 718 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 916.2945 people- if people approach me and they're like, I think that 918.7227 719 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 918.7227 (pause 0.55) 919.2682 720 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 919.2682 you should do this, 920.2118 721 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 920.2118 (pause 0.48) 920.6916 722 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 920.6916 like, now I'm at the point where I've been doing it for nine years, so people know that, that's what I do. 924.9745 723 ROC_int_01 925.1936 Mm-hm. 925.6926 724 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 925.9164 So I don't have to like 926.5676 725 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 926.5676 (pause 0.23) 926.7988 726 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 926.7988 run around and- and a- I don't audition for [things] 930.0137 727 ROC_int_01 929.5581 [Right.] 930.0617 728 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 930.1712 here anymore. That would be silly. 932.2474 729 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 932.2474 (pause 0.60) 932.8490 730 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 932.8490 Here like, I'm not gonna do that here. 934.8307 731 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 934.8307 (pause 0.57) 935.4042 732 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 935.4042 But, 935.6936 733 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 935.6936 (pause 0.26) 935.9528 734 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 935.9528 now I just- I kind of like have- I more relaxed about it. 938.7044 735 ROC_int_01 939.1147 [Mm-hm.] 939.5484 736 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 939.2733 [And I'll] just take whatever comes. And if it doesn't come for a while, 942.0710 737 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 942.8672 an- um- then I- 943.7266 738 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 943.7266 (pause 0.21) 943.9367 739 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 943.9367 maybe I'll decide to stop. 945.1287 740 ROC_int_01 946.0380 Yeah. 946.3737 741 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 947.0685 But, 947.2597 742 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 947.2597 (pause 0.45) 947.7108 743 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 947.7108 it's a really not a big deal and it sucks. 949.5200 744 ROC_int_01 949.7858 Yeah, well. 950.6112 745 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 950.6718 Not fun. 952.0054 746 ROC_int_01 952.6056 Do you have any preference of types of shoots you like to do or [is it all just-] 957.7655 747 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 957.0774 [I like to get] dirty [like, I like] to 959.1011 748 ROC_int_01 958.3178 [Yeah.] 958.6908 749 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 959.7108 have weird, /I/ like the weirder the better. 961.9956 750 ROC_int_01 962.0423 Yeah. 962.3594 751 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 963.1101 I- 963.6407 752 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 963.6407 (pause 0.23) 963.8718 753 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 963.8718 I- I'm not tall, 965.1634 754 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 965.1634 (pause 0.19) 965.3497 755 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 965.3497 I'm not [thin], 966.1832 756 ROC_int_01 965.7213 [Mm.] 965.9545 757 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 966.3408 so 966.8346 758 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 966.8346 (pause 0.94) 967.7718 759 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 967.7718 I'm 968.1589 760 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 968.1589 (pause 0.66) 968.8163 761 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 968.8163 fairly like, modified, as far as my outside. 971.5861 762 ROC_int_01 971.7260 Mm-hm. 972.3135 763 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 972.4802 So, and then my hair is really short. So it's just like, I- I- even though, you would think that would limit you, And- and I guess it does, 979.1657 764 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 979.1657 (pause 0.55) 979.7159 765 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 979.7159 but I always knew I couldn't be like a Victoria Secret model. 981.9774 766 ROC_int_01 981.9727 Mm-hm. 982.3551 767 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 982.3877 So, in the world of like the alternative, I guess if you wanna call it the alternative, 986.5365 768 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 986.5365 (pause 0.49) 987.0308 769 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 987.0308 which I also think is silly, but whatever. 989.2643 770 ROC_int_01 989.2830 Yeah. 989.8472 771 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 989.9498 Um, 990.4674 772 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 990.4674 (pause 0.73) 991.1983 773 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 991.1983 it- it hasn't been so difficult really. 993.2593 774 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 993.2593 (pause 0.81) 994.0660 775 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 994.0660 I like to get dirty though. Like, 995.4182 776 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 995.4182 (pause 1.20) 996.6201 777 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 996.6201 get weird. 997.1936 778 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 997.1936 (pause 0.45) 997.6459 779 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 997.6459 I- I- 998.2247 780 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 998.2247 (pause 0.23) 998.4523 781 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 998.4523 I would shoot out in the cold, 1000.2385 782 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1000.2385 (pause 0.48) 1000.7188 783 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1000.7188 or in water, or I've been covered in baby powder and like, completely topless. [Like], 1005.5997 784 ROC_int_01 1005.4924 [Mm-hm.] 1006.0240 785 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1007.4742 I've done plenty of nude shoots, 1009.6550 786 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1009.6550 (pause 0.19) 1009.8441 787 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1009.8441 or, 1010.2847 788 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1010.2847 (pause 0.58) 1010.8676 789 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1010.8676 uh, implied nude. 1011.8469 790 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1011.8469 (pause 0.31) 1012.1551 791 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1012.1551 I don't know, I just feel like 1013.3156 792 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1013.3156 (pause 0.81) 1014.1305 793 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1014.1305 1014.2004 794 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1014.2004 (pause 0.14) 1014.3450 795 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1014.3450 that's the fun part. 1015.1563 796 ROC_int_01 1015.4128 Yeah. 1015.8884 797 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1015.9863 And I think if you try and you push yourself, 1017.7909 798 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1017.7909 (pause 0.64) 1018.4343 799 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1018.4343 um, 1018.8640 800 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1018.8640 (pause 0.19) 1019.0573 801 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1019.0573 versus, saying like, nah don't cut my hair. I've cut my hair every time somebody wanted to- me to cut my hair for a- a picture. 1025.0405 802 ROC_int_01 1025.3016 Mm-hm. 1025.6141 803 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1025.6420 It's just hair. 1026.1177 804 ROC_int_01 1026.3123 Yeah. 1026.7320 805 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1027.1796 I- it's just hair and it grows back. [And so] like, 1030.0567 806 ROC_int_01 1029.2360 [Mm-hm.] 1029.6277 807 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1030.5742 I just feel like if I don't go for it, then 1032.6994 808 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1032.6994 (pause 0.57) 1033.2682 809 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1033.2682 what's the point of ever having done it, you know. Like, I'm never gonna be on- on a runway on television. But 1038.7460 810 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1038.7460 (pause 0.67) 1039.4128 811 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1039.4128 f- for 1040.0003 812 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1040.0003 (pause 0.48) 1040.4806 813 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1040.4806 you know, as far as just like, being a functional 1042.4297 814 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1042.4297 (pause 0.69) 1043.1245 815 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1043.1245 model, 1043.8146 816 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1043.8146 (pause 0.47) 1044.2844 817 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1044.2844 that's 1044.6941 818 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1044.6941 (pause 0.35) 1045.0478 819 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1045.0478 what it actually takes. So, 1046.8070 820 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1046.8070 (pause 0.87) 1047.6790 821 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1047.6790 so 1048.0054 822 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1048.0054 (pause 0.54) 1048.5463 823 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1048.5463 that's what I would prefer. I like extreme 1050.5500 824 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1050.5500 (pause 0.60) 1051.1517 825 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1051.1517 shoots. I'd probably cut my hair again 1053.0914 826 ROC_int_01 1053.1147 [Mm-hm.] 1053.5251 827 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1053.3665 [if] someone asked me to. If it was worth it. 1054.9659 828 ROC_int_01 1055.3669 Mm-hm. 1055.9638 829 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1056.2132 Yeah. So, 1057.1831 830 ROC_int_01 1057.9758 Yeah, I love your hair. 1059.0949 831 ROC_int_01 1059.0949 (pause 0.17) 1059.2628 832 ROC_int_01 1059.2628 [You look fabulous /always/.] 1060.7875 833 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1059.4912 [Thank you. I finally] love my hair. Finally. 1062.1200 834 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1062.5909 I hated it for so [long.] 1064.0784 835 ROC_int_01 1063.8562 [Really?] 1064.4794 836 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1064.5260 Yeah, it wasn't kinky and it wasn't straight. 1067.0102 837 ROC_int_01 1067.1594 Mm. 1067.7236 838 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1068.0593 And so, 1068.9826 839 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1068.9826 (pause 0.28) 1069.2577 840 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1069.2577 I was like, well my hair is stupid. W- like it [doesn't do] anything. Like, 1073.4392 841 ROC_int_01 1071.9995 [] 1072.4891 842 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1074.1246 I couldn't ever really get a handle on it. I always wanted to- to cut my hair, my mom never let me. 1078.2233 843 ROC_int_01 1078.2362 Mm-hm. 1078.7677 844 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1078.8004 And I just had like, 1079.9008 845 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1079.9008 (pause 0.76) 1080.6609 846 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1080.6609 big curly hair. And I guess now looking back it was 1083.2115 847 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1083.2115 (pause 0.38) 1083.5938 848 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1083.5938 probably beautiful, but at the time it did not feel [beautiful to me.] 1086.8614 849 ROC_int_01 1086.3298 [Yeah.] 1086.8847 850 ROC_int_01 1087.2484 Right. 1087.6727 851 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1087.9245 I always wanted hair I couldn't have. 1089.7104 852 ROC_int_01 1090.5719 [Mm-hm.] 1091.1547 853 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1090.5765 [So.] 1090.9356 854 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1091.5604 I finally like my hair now I think though. 1093.5235 855 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1093.5235 (pause 0.78) 1094.3022 856 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1094.3022 Finally. I think I'm gonna leave it alone for a while and see what [happens.] 1097.5138 857 ROC_int_01 1096.9309 [] 1097.4951 858 ROC_int_01 1098.0827 Yeah, let the curls come in. I remember you were telling me a while ago you [were thinking of loose curls.] 1103.2154 859 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1102.1056 [I love your hair.] 1103.2527 860 ROC_int_01 1103.6257 What? [Girl ] 1105.3323 861 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1104.1386 [I do love your hair.] 1105.3463 862 ROC_int_01 1105.5934 [Thank you.] 1106.2975 863 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1105.7007 [you have-] there's this picture of you that's on facebook and it was like you 1108.8702 864 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1109.3086 and it was like 1109.8588 865 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1109.8588 (pause 0.64) 1110.5023 866 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1110.5023 big. It was- like you had like the [big fro one] and /it was-/ I could like see the curls in it. Oh so pretty. 1115.2123 867 ROC_int_01 1112.0457 [Mm-hm.] 1112.7265 868 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1115.3173 [It was so pretty.] 1116.1806 869 ROC_int_01 1115.5275 [Thank you.] Thank you. Yeah. 1117.6727 870 ROC_int_01 1117.9105 I think it's the same thing of like 1119.6778 871 ROC_int_01 1119.6778 (pause 0.90) 1120.5812 872 ROC_int_01 1120.5812 when I was younger I didn't like my hair and then 1123.5223 873 ROC_int_01 1123.5223 (pause 0.17) 1123.6939 874 ROC_int_01 1123.6939 like, not until I cut off the perm did I really know what my hair looked like. You know, [it's just like], 1128.7261 875 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1128.2455 [Yeah.] 1128.7386 876 ROC_int_01 1129.9665 it's- it was permed all my life. [And then] 1132.8202 877 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1132.3026 [Mm-hm.] 1132.7549 878 ROC_int_01 1133.4485 oh, it wasn't really long, 1135.0479 879 ROC_int_01 1135.0479 (pause 0.36) 1135.4069 880 ROC_int_01 1135.4069 but it wasn't like short cut [so it's just] 1137.7011 881 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1137.1555 [Yeah.] 1137.7011 882 ROC_int_01 1137.9686 stupid weird /one/ (laughing). 1139.6583 883 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1139.8449 I understand what you mean, I do. 1141.7473 884 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1141.7473 (pause 0.15) 1141.8965 885 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1141.8965 I don't think anyone likes their hair in high school. I really don't. 1144.7304 886 ROC_int_01 1144.7304 Yeah. I wear weaves all the time. 1146.7448 887 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1147.2344 I've never had one. 1148.4747 888 ROC_int_01 1148.6799 Oh really. 1149.5705 889 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1149.7559 No. I've never had one. I might try my first one out this week. Just cause I wanna try it. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna snatch it out of my [head immediately.] 1156.7083 890 ROC_int_01 1155.9249 [Yeah. ] 1157.0801 891 ROC_int_01 1157.3133 I feel like that too. 1158.4883 892 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1158.4883 I can't. I- I just- I've had like 1161.2255 893 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1161.7011 tracks. Like a track or two glued in, like [for a photoshoot] and I just- 1165.3370 894 ROC_int_01 1163.9847 [Mm-hm.] 1164.5723 895 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1165.5375 I couldn't even stand it for a day, I had to rip it out. 1168.6057 896 ROC_int_01 1168.6056 Yeah. 1169.1408 897 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1169.1454 Feels unnatural to me. 1170.4930 898 ROC_int_01 1170.7028 Mm-hm. 1171.3277 899 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1171.3463 I feel incredibly ridiculous walking around with hair glued in my head. 1175.1967 900 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1175.1967 (pause 0.33) 1175.5231 901 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1175.5231 And that's not knocking other people who do it. 1177.2717 902 ROC_int_01 1177.4116 Mm-hm, [right.] 1178.2183 903 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1177.8499 [Like] I wanna try it seriously and try to commit to it for at least a week. 1181.2433 904 ROC_int_01 1181.2713 Mm-hm. 1181.8402 905 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1181.8868 But I just feel like everyone can see it. 1183.8219 906 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1183.8219 (pause 0.37) 1184.1903 907 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1184.1903 Like, oh my god, 1185.1882 908 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1185.1882 (pause 0.31) 1185.5006 909 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1185.5006 how stupid does that girl look with h- with hair glued into her head. [Like], 1189.7986 910 ROC_int_01 1189.5095 [Mm-hm.] 1190.0924 911 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1190.2276 she has hair an- let in- and that's where like, 1193.2340 912 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1193.2340 (pause 0.73) 1193.9661 913 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1193.9661 that's what got me. 1194.9033 914 ROC_int_01 1195.0572 Mm-hm. 1195.5421 915 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1195.5841 It was like mental for me. Which made me feel like it was like itching and I had to rip it out. 1200.6189 916 ROC_int_01 1200.8054 Yeah. 1201.3789 917 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1201.5468 But, 1201.8499 918 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1201.8499 (pause 2.33) 1204.1755 919 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1204.1755 I don't know, natural hair comes in a lot of different- I- it took me a long time to realize that natural hair can be straight if that's your texture. 1209.6171 920 ROC_int_01 1209.6405 Yeah, [right.] 1210.4238 921 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1210.2047 [Like], I am not gonna feel shitty because my hair doesn't really curl. 1213.0339 922 ROC_int_01 1213.0992 Mm-hm. 1213.6261 923 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1213.6587 It just is what it [is.] And I'm not gonna feel 1216.3772 924 ROC_int_01 1214.5595 [Yeah.] 1214.9582 925 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1216.7491 bad about it. [Like], 1217.8262 926 ROC_int_01 1217.7096 [Mm-hm.] 1217.9754 927 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1218.5116 It was funny cause I 1219.7753 928 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1219.7753 (pause 0.35) 1220.1203 929 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1220.1203 auditioned for a black hair show 1221.6698 930 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1221.6698 (pause 0.16) 1221.8309 931 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1221.8309 and I 1222.2314 932 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1222.2314 (pause 0.31) 1222.5392 933 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1222.5392 was told I- they wouldn't let me in. 1224.2692 934 ROC_int_01 1224.4743 Ugh. 1224.9500 935 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1225.1878 Because my hair wasn't kinky enough. 1226.6752 936 ROC_int_01 1227.0389 Oh no. 1228.2187 937 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1228.5859 And it was crazy. I was like, 1229.9474 938 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1229.9474 (pause 0.36) 1230.3111 939 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1230.3111 but I don't have a perm. They thought I had a perm and I didn't. 1232.7032 940 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1232.7032 (pause 0.18) 1232.8851 941 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1232.8851 [And like I] let them like, I let them go through my head and everything. Like it was kind of 1236.7914 942 ROC_int_01 1232.9037 [Yeah.] 1233.3514 943 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1237.6494 demeaning. 1238.3162 944 ROC_int_01 1238.3628 Yeah. 1238.9643 945 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1239.8258 And they were like, no, like, you can't. 1241.4532 946 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1241.4532 (pause 0.47) 1241.9195 947 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1241.9195 We can't let you in the show. Like we feel like little girls are gonna look at you 1245.0063 948 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1245.0063 (pause 0.29) 1245.3001 949 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1245.3001 and 1245.6917 950 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1245.6917 (pause 0.27) 1245.9575 951 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1245.9575 they're not gonna see their own hair. [and I] was like, but that's not fair because, 1250.3302 952 ROC_int_01 1247.9661 [Ugh.] 1248.2832 953 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1251.4959 because, 1251.8363 954 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1251.8363 (pause 0.88) 1252.7118 955 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1252.7118 like, w- 1253.2424 956 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1253.2424 (pause 0.25) 1253.4911 957 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1253.4911 w- how- how could you say that we only come in like one, 1256.4009 958 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1256.4009 (pause 0.34) 1256.7371 959 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1256.7371 or two 1257.3747 960 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1257.3747 (pause 0.91) 1258.2828 961 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1258.2828 uh- like, [versions.] I don't even know what to [say. Like and it was crazy.] And I wanted to do it because I felt like I hadn't done work like that in a while. 1265.8775 962 ROC_int_01 1259.5091 [Yes.] 1259.9055 963 ROC_int_01 1259.9055 (pause 1.49) 1261.3976 964 ROC_int_01 1261.3976 [No, yes] 1262.6426 965 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1266.6049 Like, 1266.9080 966 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1266.9080 (pause 1.83) 1268.7405 967 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1268.7405 it was for charity. 1269.7710 968 ROC_int_01 1269.9202 [Mm-hm.] 1270.4005 969 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1270.0302 [And] also I thought it would be really- 1272.0966 970 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1272.3251 I wanted to do it, cause I hadn't done- I hadn't worked with, like 1275.4166 971 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1275.4166 (pause 0.32) 1275.7384 972 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1275.7384 uh, a staff that- 1277.0288 973 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1277.0288 (pause 0.17) 1277.1969 974 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1277.1969 like a staff of color in while on a [photoshoot or anything.] 1279.5282 975 ROC_int_01 1278.5909 [Mm-hm.] 1279.1878 976 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1279.9432 And I was like, this might be fun. I just wanna like get back to this. I started off doing black hair shows. 1284.7448 977 ROC_int_01 1284.9779 Yeah. 1285.3277 978 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1285.7380 But this one that was like specifically actually for, like it was supposed to uplift and be positive. And it was like 1291.7613 979 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1291.7613 (pause 0.18) 1291.9385 980 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1291.9385 their whole message was like, we want little girls and boys to look on the runway and like see themselves. And I was like, 1296.6655 981 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1296.6655 (pause 0.58) 1297.2437 982 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1297.2437 there are little girls and boys out there who feel exactly this [way.] 1301.1967 983 ROC_int_01 1301.1174 [Mm-hm.] 1301.6024 984 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1302.3111 [And] you're basically 1303.9851 985 ROC_int_01 1302.3484 [Yeah.] 1302.7308 986 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1304.5773 telling them the same thing. Like what if a little mixed girl comes to this runway show. 1307.9801 987 ROC_int_01 1308.4650 Mm-hm. 1309.0852 988 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1310.2210 She might see one person who she identifies with and that might be me. 1313.8301 989 ROC_int_01 1314.0341 Mm-hm. 1314.5330 990 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1314.5890 You can't just discount that you know. 1316.0110 991 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1316.0110 (pause 0.28) 1316.2877 992 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1316.2877 But like, that's why I've had like, I've had issues with my hair forever. 1319.2659 993 ROC_int_01 1319.2659 [Mm-hm.] 1319.8720 994 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1319.4710 [And like], I felt the worst. Like, I wanted to cry. 1322.1184 995 ROC_int_01 1322.1417 No. 1322.8132 996 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1322.8085 I did. I did. Like, I don't know. It was- 1325.3770 997 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1326.4802 taken me so long to get used to it. I think that's why I always shave it off. [I hate it.] 1330.0861 998 ROC_int_01 1329.5219 [Mm-hm.] 1330.0768 999 ROC_int_01 1330.4172 I love [it.] 1331.1073 1000 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1330.9301 [It's] never good enough for whatever- 1332.8932 1001 ROC_int_01 1333.0926 Mm. 1333.7967 1002 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1333.9412 Whatever. I don't even know what's [standard.] 1335.7691 1003 ROC_int_01 1335.4520 [Mm-hm.] 1336.2307 1004 ROC_int_01 1336.5618 Do you feel like, at least like 1338.0912 1005 ROC_int_01 1338.0912 (pause 0.87) 1338.9573 1006 ROC_int_01 1338.9573 at the- in these like sort of black events that you're still kind of 1342.8835 1007 ROC_int_01 1342.8835 (pause 0.30) 1343.1819 1008 ROC_int_01 1343.1819 I guess for, uh, lack of a better word, kind of discriminated against. Like- 1347.5033 1009 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1347.8577 Um, 1348.4592 1010 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1348.4592 (pause 0.78) 1349.2425 1011 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1349.2425 no. I never felt like that. [I feel like walking] around with that mind state is 1352.7292 1012 ROC_int_01 1350.6647 [Mm-hm.] 1351.1590 1013 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1353.3121 horrible. 1353.9053 1014 ROC_int_01 1353.9817 Mm-hm. 1354.4268 1015 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1354.7902 And you're just like an angry Facebook person if you walk around and you live your life like [that.] 1358.1109 1016 ROC_int_01 1357.9291 [Mm-hm.] 1358.4770 1017 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1358.5454 I'm discriminated against, oh my god. Like, 1360.3885 1018 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1360.3885 (pause 0.30) 1360.6914 1019 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1360.6914 no. Like [a lot of] times it's not like that. And I refuse to- 1363.7486 1020 ROC_int_01 1361.2418 [Mm-hm.] 1361.7238 1021 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1364.6757 I refuse to think that things happen because of that. 1368.0569 1022 ROC_int_01 1368.2070 Mm-hm. 1368.6890 1023 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1369.0413 So I- I don't tr- like, try- I don't try to dwell there. 1372.0623 1024 ROC_int_01 1372.1229 Yeah. 1372.4600 1025 ROC_int_01 1372.4600 (pause 0.28) 1372.7386 1026 ROC_int_01 1372.7386 [Mm-hm.] 1373.2206 1027 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1372.7491 [But-] 1373.2232 1028 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1373.6262 but sometimes it- sometimes it is. 1375.3355 1029 ROC_int_01 1375.7543 Mm-hm. 1376.1915 1030 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1376.5807 And there have been maybe two or three situations where 1379.9013 1031 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1379.9013 (pause 0.48) 1380.3807 1032 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1380.3807 I had to 1381.1892 1033 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1381.1892 (pause 1.02) 1382.2112 1034 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1382.2112 think about it. 1382.8670 1035 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1382.8670 (pause 0.60) 1383.4669 1036 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1383.4669 And I was like, you know what, that did happen [because of that.] 1386.2719 1037 ROC_int_01 1385.4185 [Mm-hm.] 1385.9097 1038 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1386.9613 It did. 1387.5329 1039 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1387.5329 (pause 0.52) 1388.0570 1040 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1388.0570 But it feels really good not to wake up everyday and think like that, so no. I really don't think that, um, 1392.5865 1041 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1392.5865 (pause 0.34) 1392.9230 1042 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1392.9230 I really don't think that it has been, I mean if anything, 1395.1012 1043 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1395.1012 (pause 0.71) 1395.8150 1044 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1395.8150 I feel like, in- in some situations, I- 1398.7589 1045 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1398.7589 (pause 2.11) 1400.8706 1046 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1400.8706 1400.9444 1047 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1400.9444 (pause 0.99) 1401.9347 1048 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1401.9347 hm, there's still- there's still, 1403.6408 1049 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1403.6408 (pause 0.45) 1404.0885 1050 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1404.0885 places and setups where like, 1405.5450 1051 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1405.5450 (pause 0.30) 1405.8453 1052 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1405.8453 a token black person is needed. 1407.3433 1053 ROC_int_01 1407.6989 [Mm-hm.] 1408.1124 1054 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1407.9675 [But] I think- 1408.6339 1055 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1409.2370 I think and it's funny, cause 1410.6349 1056 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1410.6349 (pause 0.27) 1410.9089 1057 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1410.9089 since we're talking about like, speech and stuff, 1412.6920 1058 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1412.6920 (pause 0.39) 1413.0818 1059 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1413.0818 I think because I sound the way I do, or maybe I look the way I do, like 1416.6842 1060 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1416.6842 (pause 0.68) 1417.3657 1061 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1417.3657 I think, 1417.8135 1062 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1417.8135 (pause 0.49) 1418.3034 1063 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1418.3034 people are comfortable. Like, 1419.5202 1064 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1419.5202 (pause 1.30) 1420.8233 1065 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1420.8233 letting me be that. 1421.8084 1066 ROC_int_01 1422.0349 Mm. 1422.4800 1067 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1422.3778 Like if they need to be inclusive, 1424.1518 1068 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1424.7734 then if I'm included, I think it sets them at ease. 1428.0861 1069 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1428.0861 (pause 0.79) 1428.8736 1070 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1428.8736 [Because] I don't think they think they'll have an issue. Like, 1431.2566 1071 ROC_int_01 1428.9105 [Okay.] 1429.3056 1072 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1433.1135 relating to me maybe. Even though everyone does 1435.2892 1073 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1435.2892 (pause 0.13) 1435.4152 1074 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1435.4152 in the end. 1435.9337 1075 ROC_int_01 1436.0048 Mm-hm. 1436.5289 1076 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1436.6053 But like, it just seems to be easier for people. 1438.8223 1077 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1438.8223 (pause 0.23) 1439.0567 1078 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1439.0567 Usually 1439.4544 1079 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1439.4544 (pause 0.17) 1439.6230 1080 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1439.6230 people don't know what I am before they see me. And I work a lot on the phone. 1442.9410 1081 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1442.9410 (pause 0.45) 1443.3940 1082 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1443.3940 I work a lot in customer service. 1444.8551 1083 ROC_int_01 1444.9104 Mm-hm. 1445.3766 1084 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1445.6216 And 1446.1773 1085 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1446.1773 (pause 0.43) 1446.6066 1086 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1446.6066 it sucks, and I- I've learned to notice that too. 1449.6902 1087 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1449.6902 (pause 0.14) 1449.8351 1088 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1449.8351 And- and that's why like, I don't think I'll be doing this for much longer, but. 1453.3295 1089 ROC_int_01 1453.4138 Yeah. 1453.7720 1090 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1454.0716 Um, 1454.4535 1091 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1454.4535 (pause 0.30) 1454.7555 1092 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1454.7555 yeah. It seems easier for people to 1456.6975 1093 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1456.6975 (pause 0.99) 1457.6899 1094 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1457.6899 relate. 1458.2140 1095 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1458.2140 (pause 0.20) 1458.4142 1096 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1458.4142 A lot of people- like I've worked in places and finally quit. 1460.5923 1097 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1460.5923 (pause 0.55) 1461.1395 1098 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1461.1395 And- and my boss will be like, I didn't know you were black. 1463.6601 1099 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1463.6601 (pause 0.81) 1464.4654 1100 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1464.4654 Then I'm [like, oh.] 1465.6217 1101 ROC_int_01 1464.9158 [/Ah/.] 1465.3240 1102 ROC_int_01 1465.8060 Yeah. 1466.0536 1103 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1467.1730 [Okay, sorry.] 1468.6921 1104 ROC_int_01 1467.7123 [] 1468.4893 1105 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1468.8949 Sorry that you- you definitely hired a black person for the last six months. 1472.5869 1106 ROC_int_01 1472.7027 Mm-hm. 1473.2480 1107 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1473.2506 It's kind of like, haha gotchu. 1474.5695 1108 ROC_int_01 1474.7539 1475.0989 1109 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1475.5519 I'm quitting now, [but gotchu, fuck you, like yeah.] You had a black girl at the front counter [this entire] time and you didn't know. 1481.7032 1110 ROC_int_01 1476.3605 [Mm-hm, yeah. Right, right.] 1478.1587 1111 ROC_int_01 1478.1587 (pause 1.93) 1480.0894 1112 ROC_int_01 1480.0894 [Mm-hm.] 1480.4871 1113 ROC_int_01 1481.8402 Yeah. 1482.2511 1114 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1482.3459 And I hear a lot of things. Like, 1484.3503 1115 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1484.3503 (pause 0.85) 1485.2003 1116 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1485.2003 that I- I feel like I almost shouldn't be hearing. 1487.2916 1117 ROC_int_01 1487.6129 Mm-hm. 1488.0528 1118 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1488.1390 Because people don't know, 1489.3164 1119 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1489.3164 (pause 0.78) 1490.0960 1120 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1490.0960 or they just assume, or they know, but they don't bother to ask. 1492.5316 1121 ROC_int_01 1492.8372 Yeah. 1493.1611 1122 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1493.2375 And so it's funny cause a lot of times like, I'll hear 1496.3158 1123 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1496.3158 (pause 0.71) 1497.0296 1124 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1497.0296 conversations that happen that 1499.1281 1125 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1499.1281 (pause 0.64) 1499.7707 1126 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1499.7707 would not be happening if 1501.1746 1127 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1501.1746 (pause 0.38) 1501.5532 1128 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1501.5532 people thought that I would be offended by whatever they were saying. 1504.2950 1129 ROC_int_01 1504.4372 Mm. 1505.0088 1130 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1505.1635 I hear stuff like that all the [time.] 1507.1732 1131 ROC_int_01 1506.7438 [Yeah.] 1507.1705 1132 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1507.4155 And sometimes I just keep my mouth shut and a week later, I'll quit, or I'll leave, or I'll 1510.9889 1133 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1510.9889 (pause 0.16) 1511.1496 1134 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1511.1496 leave a project. 1512.0313 1135 ROC_int_01 1512.2525 [Mm-hm.] 1512.8504 1136 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1512.2578 [Or I'll just] decide not to 1513.8644 1137 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1514.7889 talk to someone anymore. 1515.7338 1138 ROC_int_01 1515.8576 Yeah. 1516.1947 1139 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1516.1974 But. 1516.4765 1140 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1516.4765 (pause 1.08) 1517.5591 1141 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1517.5591 So it's like it works both ways. Like a gift and a curse. 1520.4504 1142 ROC_int_01 1520.5399 [Mm-hm.] 1520.9745 1143 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1520.8639 [Except] for my hair. 1521.9054 1144 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1522.0630 That's probably just a curse. 1523.4777 1145 ROC_int_01 1523.4533 No [it's] not. It's amazing. 1525.8616 1146 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1523.8658 [But] 1524.1476 1147 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1525.8695 [It's pretty interesting.] Like, how that's worked out. 1528.6482 1148 ROC_int_01 1525.9748 [] 1526.9230 1149 ROC_int_01 1529.2955 Yeah. 1529.6695 1150 ROC_int_01 1529.6695 (pause 0.84) 1530.5070 1151 ROC_int_01 1530.5070 Okay, that's interesting. 1531.5764 1152 ROC_int_01 1531.5764 (pause 0.38) 1531.9576 1153 ROC_int_01 1531.9576 Um, 1532.5124 1154 ROC_int_01 1532.5124 (pause 0.10) 1532.6140 1155 ROC_int_01 1532.6140 1532.7085 1156 ROC_int_01 1532.7085 (pause 0.23) 1532.9362 1157 ROC_int_01 1532.9362 I wanted to ask- okay so if 1535.0234 1158 ROC_int_01 1535.0234 (pause 0.54) 1535.5601 1159 ROC_int_01 1535.5601 modeling is sort of not the long term trajectory, what do you see for yourself, in terms of like, 1541.4329 1160 ROC_int_01 1541.4329 (pause 1.43) 1542.8624 1161 ROC_int_01 1542.8624 the ultimate career or careers plural. [] 1546.0698 1162 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1545.9618 [] 1546.0329 1163 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1546.4807 Careers. 1547.0891 1164 ROC_int_01 1547.1339 Yeah. 1547.4894 1165 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1547.4815 Um, I wanna go back to college. 1549.0954 1166 ROC_int_01 1549.2271 [Mm-hm.] 1549.6643 1167 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1549.3772 [I've] 1549.6696 1168 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1550.2148 fucked off in college. 1551.6397 1169 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1551.6397 (pause 0.77) 1552.4055 1170 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1552.4055 Um, 1553.0192 1171 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1553.0192 (pause 1.00) 1554.0174 1172 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1554.0174 my mom pressured me to go. She made me apply to Harvard. 1557.0141 1173 ROC_int_01 1557.6831 That's awesome. 1558.4469 1174 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1558.4910 No. 1558.9967 1175 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1558.9967 (pause 0.24) 1559.2416 1176 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1559.2416 [I never wanted (laughing) to go.] I never wanted to go. I- god I didn't wanna go. 1563.9819 1177 ROC_int_01 1559.2443 [] 1560.5454 1178 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1564.5976 Um, and I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ I think just to make her [happy.] 1567.6291 1179 ROC_int_01 1567.3789 [Mm-hm.] 1568.0927 1180 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1568.1190 But /RD-SCHOOL-3/ never even had the majors that I wanted to do. 1570.5994 1181 ROC_int_01 1570.7680 Yeah. 1571.0893 1182 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1571.3520 So- and now I'm in debt. 1572.4741 1183 ROC_int_01 1573.3327 Girl. 1573.5961 1184 ROC_int_01 1573.5961 (pause 0.18) 1573.7725 1185 ROC_int_01 1573.7725 1573.9069 1186 ROC_int_01 1573.9069 (pause 0.55) 1574.4573 1187 ROC_int_01 1574.4573 [] 1575.2449 1188 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1574.4652 [but I'm in debt] for the wrong [reasons. If I'm gonna be-] if I'm gonna be a hundred thousand dollars in debt, 1578.5181 1189 ROC_int_01 1575.9738 [Yeah, right.] 1576.7797 1190 ROC_int_01 1578.5964 [Mm-hm.] 1578.9336 1191 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1578.9151 [I] wanna be happy and be going to school for exactly what I wanna do. 1582.0803 1192 ROC_int_01 1582.2147 [Mm-hm.] 1582.6071 1193 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1582.3753 [Or] be accomplished (laughing). I'm not- (laughing) and I'm neither of those things. 1585.3384 1194 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1585.7776 I 1586.3096 1195 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1586.3096 (pause 0.17) 1586.4782 1196 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1586.4782 used my- 1587.6660 1197 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1587.6660 (pause 0.14) 1587.8096 1198 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1587.8096 my loans 1588.8513 1199 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1588.8513 (pause 0.15) 1589.0034 1200 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1589.0034 to pre-pay my rent 1590.4915 1201 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1590.4915 (pause 0.58) 1591.0762 1202 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1591.0762 and then I realized that I couldn't work a full time job and a part time job and also go to school. 1596.1898 1203 ROC_int_01 1596.4269 [Mm-hm.] 1597.0300 1204 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1596.4295 [People who] like, people who are allowed to live at home, 1598.8869 1205 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1600.1689 are so lucky. 1601.1171 1206 ROC_int_01 1601.9362 [Yes.] 1602.3365 1207 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1602.1673 [Because] like, 1603.3078 1208 ROC_int_01 1603.3815 Agreed. 1603.7476 1209 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1603.7555 They don't have to worry about anything. I 1605.5334 1210 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1605.5334 (pause 0.54) 1606.0753 1211 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1606.0753 got kicked out when I was nineteen. 1607.4212 1212 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1607.4212 (pause 0.95) 1608.3667 1213 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1608.3667 And I 1608.9119 1214 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1608.9119 (pause 0.43) 1609.3380 1215 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1609.3380 had to kind of- I ended up having to choose 1611.1869 1216 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1611.1869 (pause 0.20) 1611.3871 1217 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1611.3871 going to school and also worrying about like, wow I'm super tired because I just worked all day, but guess what, we have a test and I'm not gonna finish my homework because I need to sleep and [like], 1620.0162 1218 ROC_int_01 1619.9267 [Mm.] 1620.3086 1219 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1620.8327 It compounds and then it just explodes. 1623.4185 1220 ROC_int_01 1623.4632 Yeah. 1623.8188 1221 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1623.9610 And so, 1624.8486 1222 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1624.8486 (pause 0.21) 1625.0593 1223 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1625.0593 I tried school twice. And I quit twice. And then I was left with all this debt. 1629.8279 1224 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1629.8279 (pause 0.35) 1630.1756 1225 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1630.1756 Debt that I would have rather 1631.3213 1226 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1631.3213 (pause 0.40) 1631.7164 1227 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1631.7164 been in. 1632.1799 1228 ROC_int_01 1632.6191 [Mm-hm.] 1633.2671 1229 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1632.6323 [Would rather] have been in 1633.8228 1230 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1634.1994 if 1634.4207 1231 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1634.4207 (pause 0.09) 1634.5129 1232 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1634.5129 I were learning something. 1636.3276 1233 ROC_int_01 1636.8168 Yeah. 1637.1829 1234 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1637.2725 But I, 1637.7308 1235 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1637.7308 (pause 0.60) 1638.3313 1236 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1638.3313 I wasn't learning [anything.] 1639.9503 1237 ROC_int_01 1639.3032 [Mm-hm.] 1639.9142 1238 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1640.7485 And, um, 1642.1576 1239 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1642.1576 (pause 0.90) 1643.0577 1240 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1643.0577 so I wanna kind of fix that. I wanna go back to school. 1645.3913 1241 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1645.3913 (pause 1.32) 1646.7154 1242 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1646.7154 Probably for creative writing [this time.] 1648.8515 1243 ROC_int_01 1648.2404 [I was gonna] say what would it be [for?] 1650.0758 1244 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1650.0492 [Or] for English [literature] 1651.4850 1245 ROC_int_01 1651.2950 [Mm.] 1651.8692 1246 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1651.7809 [and] psychology. 1652.8174 1247 ROC_int_01 1653.2177 Yeah. 1653.4574 1248 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1654.0230 I would do those. And I would be really happy doing it. I just- 1657.0197 1249 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1657.0197 (pause 0.55) 1657.5675 1250 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1657.5675 like now I know. 1658.6685 1251 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1658.6685 (pause 0.42) 1659.0846 1252 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1659.0846 And if I have a kid, 1659.9722 1253 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1659.9722 (pause 1.16) 1661.1331 1254 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1661.1331 like, I'll just try not to make their life hell. And make them feel like they can stay. 1664.8883 1255 ROC_int_01 1665.4309 Mm-hm. 1665.9076 1256 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1666.0129 Like if you're not going to go to school, fine. Like, I'm still not gonna kick you out, but if you are, I'm gonna 1670.5260 1257 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1670.5260 (pause 0.55) 1671.0739 1258 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1671.0739 try to be extra supportive of that. 1673.3910 1259 ROC_int_01 1673.5150 [Mm-hm.] 1674.0978 1260 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1673.6361 [And] like, considerate and mindful because that matters. 1677.1623 1261 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1677.3864 I would have been- 1678.1639 1262 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1678.1639 (pause 0.69) 1678.8493 1263 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1678.8493 I would have gotten straight A's. 1679.9871 1264 ROC_int_01 1680.8905 Mm. 1681.1423 1265 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1681.3568 I would have gotten straight A's. And all of the scholarships. And it would have been amazing, but 1686.2269 1266 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1686.2269 (pause 0.64) 1686.8719 1267 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1686.8719 1686.9418 1268 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1686.9418 (pause 0.08) 1687.0211 1269 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1687.0211 I didn't have that opportunity. So I wanna go back and fix it. I'm probably gonna end up like, being a teacher just like my mom. 1691.8798 1270 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1691.8798 (pause 0.86) 1692.7367 1271 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1692.7367 But 1693.2403 1272 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1693.2403 (pause 0.83) 1694.0656 1273 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1694.0656 maybe like a professor [I] don't know. [I have-] 1696.7468 1274 ROC_int_01 1695.5484 [Mm.] 1695.7489 1275 ROC_int_01 1695.7489 (pause 0.53) 1696.2758 1276 ROC_int_01 1696.2758 [Yeah.] 1696.6675 1277 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1697.6420 I have a 1698.1130 1278 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1698.1130 (pause 0.31) 1698.4243 1279 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1698.4243 book of short stories that I'm trying to finish. 1700.8023 1280 ROC_int_01 1700.8070 Love it. 1701.5158 1281 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1701.8608 And 1702.5043 1282 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1702.5043 (pause 1.04) 1703.5430 1283 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1703.5430 I don't know 1704.4849 1284 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1704.4849 (pause 0.48) 1704.9698 1285 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1704.9698 like, (laughing) if anyone would buy it. 1706.4481 1286 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1706.4481 (pause 0.41) 1706.8613 1287 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1706.8613 I feel like I'm gonna put it on Amazon, it's just gonna like, sit and like be chilling on Amazon forever. And it's gonna [be like-] 1712.2101 1288 ROC_int_01 1711.7951 [/No/.] 1712.2428 1289 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1713.1008 You know how they have like the ranks on Amazon. It's gonna be like, twenty-four thousand, like, it's gonna be like, no one's gonna look at it. 1718.9562 1290 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1718.9562 (pause 0.48) 1719.4411 1291 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1719.4411 No one's gonna look at it, but I feel like it's gonna be there, 1721.3763 1292 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1721.3763 (pause 0.94) 1722.3170 1293 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1722.3170 and maybe when I die, maybe after I die, people are gonna be like, hey, 1726.0584 1294 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1726.0584 (pause 0.62) 1726.6768 1295 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1726.6768 this is pretty good, [maybe I'll] read this book (laughing). 1729.7485 1296 ROC_int_01 1728.3403 [Yeah.] 1728.6900 1297 ROC_int_01 1730.2745 [Nah, I think people will get interested.] You have a good following. 1733.8752 1298 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1730.6738 [] 1731.9914 1299 ROC_int_01 1734.1352 I feel like [I'm /??/ right now no?] 1736.7827 1300 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1735.1796 [I don't I feel like, people] just wanna follow me because they wanna see if I'm gonna take like, 1739.6467 1301 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1740.0466 naked pictures, [or, it's- and] I- it's- and I- I'm not going to. Like, 1744.0147 1302 ROC_int_01 1741.2700 [Mm-hm.] 1741.6862 1303 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1745.8052 I don't know. I feel like people follow me for the wrong [reasons too.] 1748.2976 1304 ROC_int_01 1748.0469 [Mm-hm.] 1748.6578 1305 ROC_int_01 1749.0168 [Yeah.] 1749.4085 1306 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1749.0448 [Like], nobody understands. Nobody gets it. I don't know why I have that many followers on Instagram. Like, I'm not that interesting. 1754.5692 1307 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1754.8816 People unfollow me everyday. I don't get it, but 1757.4089 1308 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1757.4089 (pause 1.73) 1759.1377 1309 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1759.1377 I don't- 1759.7439 1310 ROC_int_01 1759.9249 Yeah. 1760.3174 1311 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1760.5645 [I never like wanted it.] 1762.2199 1312 ROC_int_01 1760.5785 [/I think you could leverage it/.] 1762.2245 1313 ROC_int_01 1762.5556 [You need /to set goals/.] 1763.9824 1314 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1762.5742 [Leverage it to what? like, that's what I'm trying] to figure out like, [this] year. 1765.3755 1315 ROC_int_01 1764.7320 [Yeah.] 1765.0398 1316 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1765.7672 I need a plan this year. 1766.8303 1317 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1766.8303 (pause 0.44) 1767.2733 1318 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1767.2733 Because I'm twenty-six. I'm gonna be twenty-seven and I don't really do anything. I do a lot, but I also do nothing. 1772.9982 1319 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1772.9982 (pause 0.52) 1773.5204 1320 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1773.5204 Because in the end like, it doesn't count. 1775.3016 1321 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1775.3016 (pause 0.69) 1775.9906 1322 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1775.9906 [It counts], but it's not 1777.3475 1323 ROC_int_01 1775.9999 [Hm.] 1776.3776 1324 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1777.8511 counting towards a goal 1779.3808 1325 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1779.3808 (pause 0.13) 1779.5104 1326 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1779.5104 that 1779.8095 1327 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1779.8095 (pause 1.63) 1781.4369 1328 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1781.4369 matches up with my age. Where I feel like I am. 1783.7159 1329 ROC_int_01 1784.8396 [Okay.] 1785.2080 1330 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1784.8816 [Like], I can't just do shit anymore cause I feel like doing it. 1787.2084 1331 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1787.9813 [I can], 1788.5128 1332 ROC_int_01 1787.9906 [Mm-hm.] 1788.4616 1333 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1788.9651 but I feel like it has to add up to something now, 1790.6298 1334 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1790.6298 (pause 0.30) 1790.9329 1335 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1790.9329 cause I'm getting old. 1791.8935 1336 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1791.8935 (pause 0.63) 1792.5276 1337 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1792.5276 So, 1792.9100 1338 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1792.9100 (pause 0.49) 1793.4031 1339 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1793.4031 yeah. Maybe I can leverage it into something. But like, 1795.6541 1340 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1795.6541 (pause 0.20) 1795.8502 1341 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1795.8502 when I think about like, 1796.7790 1342 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1796.7790 (pause 1.59) 1798.3737 1343 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1798.3737 all these girls, with like the huge butts like, hosting everything like, I- I don't know, I just don't wanna do that. 1803.9820 1344 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1803.9820 (pause 0.38) 1804.3644 1345 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1804.3644 On the flip side though, 1805.3809 1346 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1805.3809 (pause 0.30) 1805.6840 1347 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1805.6840 I could host something 1806.9984 1348 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1806.9984 (pause 0.21) 1807.2050 1349 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1807.2050 and it would probably be really fun. 1808.6997 1350 ROC_int_01 1808.7604 Mm-hm. 1809.1520 1351 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1809.2919 But 1809.6883 1352 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1809.6883 (pause 1.48) 1811.1711 1353 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1811.1711 I just feel like it's incidental. 1812.4907 1354 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1812.4907 (pause 1.10) 1813.5946 1355 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1813.5946 Like I can if I decide to put makeup on, or do my hair or like, 1816.5789 1356 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1816.5789 (pause 1.16) 1817.7435 1357 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1817.7435 get dressed up. 1818.6248 1358 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1818.6248 (pause 0.41) 1819.0398 1359 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1819.0398 [I- it w- it] would happen. And maybe somebody like- if I did that on a regular basis, 1823.2783 1360 ROC_int_01 1819.0398 [Mm-hm.] 1819.5667 1361 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1823.8181 maybe someone come along and ask me to do it. Like, if I was like a- 1826.7348 1362 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1826.7348 (pause 0.20) 1826.9379 1363 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1826.9379 I'm still like, 1828.0551 1364 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1828.0551 (pause 0.22) 1828.2757 1365 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1828.2757 not a popular girl. 1829.7163 1366 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1829.7163 (pause 0.21) 1829.9229 1367 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1829.9229 I'm still who I was in high school in that sense like, I don't care. 1832.6531 1368 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1832.6531 (pause 0.82) 1833.4738 1369 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1833.4738 And it feels good not to care. 1834.7141 1370 ROC_int_01 1834.8540 Mm-hm. 1835.2504 1371 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1835.5608 1835.6327 1372 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1835.6327 (pause 0.13) 1835.7668 1373 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1835.7668 But, 1836.1106 1374 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1836.1106 (pause 0.22) 1836.3278 1375 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1836.3278 it's something that I thought about leveraging. I may find a way to use it, 1839.8561 1376 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1839.8561 (pause 0.42) 1840.2805 1377 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1840.2805 but 1840.6675 1378 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1840.6675 (pause 0.29) 1840.9566 1379 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1840.9566 I just like really, just wanna be happy. 1843.2309 1380 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1843.2309 (pause 0.45) 1843.6786 1381 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1843.6786 [I'm- I'm] done with like, 1845.1241 1382 ROC_int_01 1843.6786 [Mm-hm.] 1844.3081 1383 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1846.7934 uh, everything else. 1848.1254 1384 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1848.1254 (pause 0.15) 1848.2760 1385 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1848.2760 I think being happy is most important now. 1850.8490 1386 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1850.8490 (pause 0.28) 1851.1297 1387 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1851.1297 Whatever that is. Whatever that looks like, or [ends up being.] 1853.7260 1388 ROC_int_01 1853.1575 [Mm-hm.] 1853.7400 1389 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1854.2984 That's really all I care about now. 1855.9024 1390 ROC_int_01 1856.3360 Yeah. 1856.7417 1391 ROC_int_01 1856.7417 (pause 0.43) 1857.1707 1392 ROC_int_01 1857.1707 And 1857.5624 1393 ROC_int_01 1857.5624 (pause 0.56) 1858.1219 1394 ROC_int_01 1858.1219 do you have like an ideal 1859.6933 1395 ROC_int_01 1859.6933 (pause 0.34) 1860.0372 1396 ROC_int_01 1860.0372 school, or place even that you would like to be like Chicago, or [I don't know, /inaudible/.] 1865.6420 1397 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1865.1384 [Kind of] don't wanna stay in the States. I've never wanted to stay in the States. I- for the last ten years I wanted to- 1870.5742 1398 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1871.2317 I've kind of always wanted to move to England. 1873.1251 1399 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1873.1251 (pause 1.27) 1874.3967 1400 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1874.3967 Always. 1874.9111 1401 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1874.9111 (pause 0.23) 1875.1422 1402 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1875.1422 [Always], always, always, but 1876.4810 1403 ROC_int_01 1875.1614 [Yeah.] 1875.4411 1404 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1876.7281 I don't even have my passport right now. That's one thing I have to do. 1879.0071 1405 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1879.0071 (pause 0.37) 1879.3755 1406 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1879.3755 I'm gonna- I'm- I'm trying to set small goals. And I think [if I can do] it by the end of January like, at least get my passport, 1885.2519 1407 ROC_int_01 1882.1266 [Mm-hm.] 1882.6209 1408 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1885.4340 I'll feel good inside. 1886.5505 1409 ROC_int_01 1886.5832 Yeah. 1887.0728 1410 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1887.7489 Like, but I- I do. I don't really wanna stay here. I've never felt like I've belonged here at all. 1892.3827 1411 ROC_int_01 1892.8163 Yeah. 1893.2033 1412 ROC_int_01 1893.2033 (pause 0.48) 1893.6836 1413 ROC_int_01 1893.6836 And by here you mean like, [Rochester? cause-] 1896.4429 1414 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1895.6595 [Well definitely] not Rochester, but also just 1898.1076 1415 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1898.3873 the [States], at all. 1899.9681 1416 ROC_int_01 1898.9982 [Okay.] 1899.3992 1417 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1900.4763 I just, I always read books. I never really watched TV but 1903.3895 1418 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1903.3895 (pause 0.72) 1904.1076 1419 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1904.1076 we didn't have cable so I ended up watching PBS [and it's all like], British television. And I was like, wow like I wanna go there. 1909.6413 1420 ROC_int_01 1906.3131 [Mm-hm.] 1906.8074 1421 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1910.1076 People sound really nice there. 1911.5577 1422 ROC_int_01 1911.6929 [Mm-hm.] 1912.0660 1423 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1912.0240 [To] me like, people sounded educated and kind and like, 1914.6743 1424 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1914.8354 warm. 1915.5946 1425 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1915.5946 (pause 0.36) 1915.9583 1426 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1915.9583 They always sounded like they were telling a story. 1918.1219 1427 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1918.1219 (pause 0.43) 1918.5556 1428 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1918.5556 [Sounded like-] sounded like listening to an audio book all the time. 1921.7205 1429 ROC_int_01 1918.5556 [Mm.] 1918.9333 1430 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1922.1076 And I was like, that sounds amazing. I wanna be there. Like, (laughing) 1925.0498 1431 ROC_int_01 1925.4415 Yeah. 1925.9358 1432 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1926.3450 And- 1927.0351 1433 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1927.0351 (pause 0.73) 1927.7607 1434 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1927.7607 and then- and then when I realized like, black people can be British too 1930.5556 1435 ROC_int_01 1930.8913 Mm-hm. 1931.2877 1436 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1931.4136 Like, 1931.7633 1437 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1931.7633 (pause 0.57) 1932.3357 1438 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1932.3357 it's just so, fucking awesome. [Like, when I] was really little- 1935.7023 1439 ROC_int_01 1934.4433 [Mm-hm.] 1935.0308 1440 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1936.0706 when I was really really little, I thought they were only white. 1937.8332 1441 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1937.8332 (pause 0.50) 1938.3310 1442 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1938.3310 And then I was like, 1939.4594 1443 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1939.4594 (pause 0.58) 1940.0423 1444 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1940.0423 hey, I [was like], 1941.2593 1445 ROC_int_01 1940.6764 [Yeah.] 1941.2640 1446 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1941.7955 like the first time I heard Naomi Campbell talk, I was like- 1943.8025 1447 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1943.8025 (pause 0.73) 1944.5315 1448 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1944.5315 I walk like, oh, she's English, like 1945.9539 1449 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1945.9539 (pause 0.11) 1946.0683 1450 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1946.0683 I- I don't know. And- and- 1947.5076 1451 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1947.5076 (pause 0.29) 1947.7983 1452 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1947.7983 I feel like it's more 1948.8354 1453 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1948.8354 (pause 1.03) 1949.8694 1454 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1949.8694 I feel like everything's more open there. 1951.8091 1455 ROC_int_01 1951.8651 Mm-hm. 1952.3780 1456 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1952.4246 I really do. 1953.0615 1457 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1953.0615 (pause 0.15) 1953.2121 1458 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1953.2121 Seems like it. 1953.9587 1459 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1953.9587 (pause 0.73) 1954.6861 1460 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1954.6861 I started watching British television and I realized there are so many more interracial couples, just randomly that you see. Just watching television. It's not weird. 1961.5068 1461 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1961.5068 (pause 0.23) 1961.7388 1462 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1961.7388 Why is it so weird here? 1962.8206 1463 ROC_int_01 1962.9045 Mm-hm. 1963.2446 1464 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1963.4967 Like why is it so, 1964.7576 1465 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1964.7576 (pause 0.16) 1964.9187 1466 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1964.9187 fucking weird? 1965.6929 1467 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1965.6929 (pause 0.58) 1966.2758 1468 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1966.2758 Why do we have to still even wonder 1968.6341 1469 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1968.6341 (pause 0.34) 1968.9698 1470 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1968.9698 about it? 1969.4594 1471 ROC_int_01 1969.4781 Mm-hm. 1969.8698 1472 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1970.2101 And it's- it's been like that for so long. 1972.0800 1473 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1972.0800 (pause 0.68) 1972.7607 1474 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1972.7607 Um, over there. It's just like an example. It just seems like, some of the things that we worry about here, might not be 1978.6069 1475 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1978.6069 (pause 0.47) 1979.0778 1476 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1979.0778 things that 1979.6001 1477 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1979.6001 (pause 0.36) 1979.9626 1478 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1979.9626 people worry about over there. 1981.1190 1479 ROC_int_01 1981.1377 Yeah. 1981.4734 1480 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1982.1915 [it just seems] so interesting. 1983.7442 1481 ROC_int_01 1982.1915 [I agree.] 1982.7977 1482 ROC_int_01 1983.7489 Yeah. 1984.1779 1483 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1984.4903 I would love to go there. And I'm in a relationship now. 1987.1144 1484 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1987.1144 (pause 0.81) 1987.9210 1485 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1987.9210 For the first time in a very long time. And I just- yeah, and I just don't know if 1991.6607 1486 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1991.6607 (pause 0.71) 1992.3715 1487 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1992.3715 he would wanna go there. But, I know I'm gonna end up there. 1995.0376 1488 ROC_int_01 1995.4665 Yeah. 1995.7463 1489 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1997.0473 I mean hopefully he would wanna go with me, 1998.9311 1490 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1998.9311 (pause 0.72) 1999.6480 1491 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1999.6480 but 1999.8858 1492 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 1999.8858 (pause 0.70) 2000.5899 1493 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2000.5899 I have to end up there. I- I honestly feel like, I'm overdue. Now I'm feeling like, 2004.7725 1494 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2004.7725 (pause 1.13) 2005.9045 1495 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2005.9045 it's a little- not too late, 2007.3313 1496 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2007.3313 (pause 0.21) 2007.5412 1497 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2007.5412 but now I feel like I'm late for something. I [almost] feel like I'm late for an appointment because like I should be somewhere else. 2012.8697 1498 ROC_int_01 2009.6348 [Hm.] 2009.9099 1499 ROC_int_01 2012.9956 Mm-hm. 2013.4899 1500 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2013.4665 I don't think I ever should have really, 2014.6836 1501 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2014.9633 stayed this long [here.] 2016.7819 1502 ROC_int_01 2016.3902 [Mm-hm.] 2016.9905 1503 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2018.8604 So, 2019.2194 1504 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2019.2194 (pause 0.35) 2019.5738 1505 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2019.5738 maybe one day it'll happen. 2020.8095 1506 ROC_int_01 2021.3410 Yeah. 2021.6954 1507 ROC_int_01 2021.6954 (pause 0.83) 2022.5301 1508 ROC_int_01 2022.5301 So where do you meet the new [guy? (laughed)] 2024.6132 1509 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2024.5386 [Oh.] 2025.1868 1510 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2025.9188 um, 2026.5717 1511 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2026.5717 (pause 1.22) 2027.7887 1512 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2027.7887 we- I worked at a pizza shop, 2030.3055 1513 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2030.3055 (pause 1.08) 2031.3826 1514 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2031.3826 um, over the summer. 2033.1032 1515 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2033.1032 (pause 0.84) 2033.9472 1516 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2033.9472 And he delivered pizzas there. 2035.4615 1517 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2035.4615 (pause 0.65) 2036.1096 1518 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2036.1096 And then he photographed me. 2037.1774 1519 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2037.1774 (pause 0.82) 2037.9935 1520 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2037.9935 And then, 2038.4085 1521 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2038.4085 (pause 0.88) 2039.2851 1522 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2039.2851 it was like this weird attraction. I spent so long trying to convince him just to like me. 2043.2381 1523 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2043.2381 (pause 0.35) 2043.5924 1524 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2043.5924 I had to work. And [I liked-] I liked to work. 2046.0172 1525 ROC_int_01 2044.5110 [] 2045.0659 1526 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2046.4590 And it was just, 2047.6900 1527 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2047.6900 (pause 1.27) 2048.9583 1528 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2048.9583 he- he's younger than I am too. Which is crazy, [cause] 2051.6115 1529 ROC_int_01 2051.1405 [Mm-hm.] 2051.6348 1530 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2052.5556 that's not- I- that's not my type at all. I can't even deal with guys my [age.] 2056.1647 1531 ROC_int_01 2055.9502 [Mm-hm.] 2056.4072 1532 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2056.3978 Much less younger, but 2057.5076 1533 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2058.2805 he never felt younger or seemed younger. 2060.3835 1534 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2060.3835 (pause 0.72) 2061.1062 1535 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2061.1062 And I just- 2061.6984 1536 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2061.6984 (pause 0.67) 2062.3652 1537 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2062.3652 We met there and we both quit. 2064.2619 1538 ROC_int_01 2064.3131 [] 2064.9799 1539 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2064.7468 [Cause I] think we both realized like, 2066.2716 1540 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2067.3767 that we were exceptional individuals and we didn't belong in a 2069.7721 1541 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2069.7721 (pause 0.26) 2070.0287 1542 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2070.0287 pizza shop with racist ass people who ran this pizza shop. [And like], 2073.4513 1543 ROC_int_01 2073.0409 [Mm.] 2073.4793 1544 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2074.9889 we're like, hey, serve this slice to that black guy over there. 2077.2970 1545 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2077.2970 (pause 0.76) 2078.0571 1546 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2078.0571 And then when I quit, nobody realized that I was black. 2080.4025 1547 ROC_int_01 2080.5552 Mm. 2081.0402 1548 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2081.4412 Oh hey, did you not think that was offensive, or weird? 2085.0316 1549 ROC_int_01 2085.0876 Mm-hm. 2085.6285 1550 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2085.8896 Did you 2086.4771 1551 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2086.4771 (pause 0.33) 2086.8024 1552 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2086.8024 notice me ignoring you, or walking away when I heard you say crazy shit like that. Like, 2091.2414 1553 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2091.2414 (pause 0.55) 2091.7870 1554 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2091.7870 it was just a weird, weird, weird, wrong, setup. 2095.1431 1555 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2095.1431 (pause 0.18) 2095.3203 1556 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2095.3203 And it was like the twilight zone, but somehow we me there. Like, 2098.3232 1557 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2098.3232 (pause 0.27) 2098.5890 1558 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2098.5890 It was [literally] like a really dysfunctional business, 2101.2177 1559 ROC_int_01 2098.8128 [Hm.] 2099.0646 1560 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2101.6514 that's part of like a sitcom on TV. 2103.4886 1561 ROC_int_01 2103.6611 Yeah. 2104.0155 1562 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2104.0528 You know like the cafe that- F- that Friends was filmed at? 2106.6069 1563 ROC_int_01 2106.9426 Mm-hm. 2107.3810 1564 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2107.3763 Like what if they did a show about 2109.1146 1565 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2109.3912 the staff of the cafe, but the 2111.1439 1566 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2111.1439 (pause 0.25) 2111.3946 1567 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2111.3946 staff of the cafe live in Upstate New York and they were just, like racist and [prejudice and] weird. 2115.9269 1568 ROC_int_01 2115.0798 [Hm.] 2115.4886 1569 ROC_int_01 2117.0495 [Yeah.] 2117.5251 1570 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2117.0775 [And dysfunctional], a- a- [and] like (laughing) that's what it [was.] It was like, do I live- are- er- i- every time I come to work it's like, am I in a TV show right now? 2124.6675 1571 ROC_int_01 2118.6349 [Yeah.] 2118.9566 1572 ROC_int_01 2118.9566 (pause 0.98) 2119.9405 1573 ROC_int_01 2119.9405 [Yeah.] 2120.3182 1574 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2125.0406 Is this real life? Like, how the fuck do I work here? 2127.6098 1575 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2127.6098 (pause 0.57) 2128.1787 1576 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2128.1787 But 2128.5331 1577 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2128.5331 (pause 0.71) 2129.2407 1578 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2129.2407 we just met in this bizarre place and then it's just kind of like developed from there. And I finally- 2133.0223 1579 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2133.0223 (pause 1.09) 2134.1134 1580 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2134.1134 After like months and months and months of trying, we finally just like 2138.0104 1581 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2138.0104 (pause 1.13) 2139.1435 1582 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2139.1435 came together. 2140.4585 1583 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2140.4585 (pause 0.45) 2140.9108 1584 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2140.9108 He finally- 2141.6195 1585 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2141.6195 (pause 0.31) 2141.9261 1586 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2141.9261 finally listened to me and like 2143.4975 1587 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2143.4975 (pause 0.69) 2144.1830 1588 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2144.1830 fell into my trap. [No, I] didn't trap him. I just 2147.7536 1589 ROC_int_01 2145.8150 [] 2146.3419 1590 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2148.2665 for once, like in my whole life, 2149.9143 1591 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2149.9143 (pause 0.26) 2150.1700 1592 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2150.1700 I decided to try 2151.2834 1593 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2151.2834 (pause 0.97) 2152.2537 1594 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2152.2537 a whole different approach. 2153.4097 1595 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2153.4097 (pause 0.32) 2153.7303 1596 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2153.7303 And 2154.3598 1597 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2154.3598 (pause 1.63) 2155.9871 1598 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2155.9871 And to- to- just try being good. 2158.1134 1599 ROC_int_01 2158.5844 Mm. 2159.0227 1600 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2159.0169 Maybe just try being a good person. 2160.6162 1601 ROC_int_01 2160.7142 Mm-hm. 2161.1385 1602 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2161.3343 Just fucking try. 2162.1736 1603 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2162.1736 (pause 0.74) 2162.9150 1604 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2162.9150 And- 2163.5632 1605 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2163.5632 (pause 0.64) 2164.2020 1606 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2164.2020 and I realized that I wanted to. It wasn't work. 2166.1453 1607 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2166.1453 (pause 1.00) 2167.1431 1608 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2167.1431 When I look back, it was a lot of work, 2169.1668 1609 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2169.1668 (pause 0.94) 2170.1041 1610 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2170.1041 getting him to open up to me 2171.7721 1611 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2171.7721 (pause 0.51) 2172.2805 1612 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2172.2805 over all of these months, but 2173.8459 1613 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2173.8459 (pause 0.40) 2174.2486 1614 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2174.2486 kind of felt good. 2175.1109 1615 ROC_int_01 2175.5026 Mm-hm. 2175.9735 1616 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2176.0155 And I figured at this point, 2177.2931 1617 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2177.2931 (pause 1.02) 2178.3085 1618 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2178.3085 if I can't be a 2179.6934 1619 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2179.6934 (pause 1.06) 2180.7518 1620 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2180.7518 completely good person and just try this and see if it works, 2183.9261 1621 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2183.9261 (pause 0.41) 2184.3411 1622 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2184.3411 like I needed it to be like, the control in an experiment. 2187.2694 1623 ROC_int_01 2187.7870 [Yeah.] 2188.1973 1624 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2187.7917 [Like] I need to do this and see if I can do this. 2190.1499 1625 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2190.6769 But if I can do this, 2191.6234 1626 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2191.6234 (pause 0.64) 2192.2622 1627 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2192.2622 maybe I'm not like, as much of a shit person as I think I am. 2195.3631 1628 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2195.3631 (pause 0.50) 2195.8608 1629 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2195.8608 And, and then I enjoyed it. And it felt good and it was a lot of work, but it didn't feel like work. And I think when it doesn't feel like a lot of work, 2203.5908 1630 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2203.5908 (pause 1.26) 2204.8498 1631 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2204.8498 then you do love someone. 2206.1600 1632 ROC_int_01 2206.5284 Mm. 2206.8222 1633 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2206.8350 Cause if you find yourself like, oh hell no like, why am I doing this. I'm doing too much. Like, 2211.3394 1634 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2211.3394 (pause 0.64) 2211.9782 1635 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2211.9782 w- when it comes to a person, [I don't think] you love them. 2214.3271 1636 ROC_int_01 2213.2127 [Mm.] 2213.6697 1637 ROC_int_01 2215.5675 Mm. 2215.8333 1638 ROC_int_01 2215.8333 (pause 1.31) 2217.1482 1639 ROC_int_01 2217.1482 Hm. And when you say good, 2218.8615 1640 ROC_int_01 2218.8615 (pause 0.34) 2219.2012 1641 ROC_int_01 2219.2012 what does good look like to you? 2220.8028 1642 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2221.5908 Um, 2222.2016 1643 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2222.2016 (pause 1.71) 2223.9082 1644 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2223.9082 just- 2224.3466 1645 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2224.3466 (pause 1.24) 2225.5904 1646 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2225.5904 Okay, when I say good, that's reductive, 2227.7680 1647 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2227.7680 (pause 0.34) 2228.1037 1648 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2228.1037 but 2228.4392 1649 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2228.4392 (pause 0.33) 2228.7719 1650 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2228.7719 i- it's also like, an umbrella word. 2231.0133 1651 ROC_int_01 2231.0413 Mm-hm. 2231.5030 1652 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2231.8935 Trying to simplify it. 2233.0779 1653 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2233.0779 (pause 0.36) 2233.4416 1654 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2233.4416 I guess 2234.0244 1655 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2234.0244 (pause 0.80) 2234.8218 1656 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2234.8218 just, um, 2235.9782 1657 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2235.9782 (pause 0.49) 2236.4678 1658 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2236.4678 I hate when people say like 2237.7310 1659 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2237.7310 (pause 0.13) 2237.8655 1660 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2237.8655 selfless. 2238.5510 1661 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2238.5510 (pause 0.50) 2239.0499 1662 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2239.0499 [I don't-] I don't think it's necessarily good to be selfless at all. 2241.7039 1663 ROC_int_01 2239.0669 [Mm-hm.] 2239.4481 1664 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2242.4678 But 2242.7289 1665 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2242.7289 (pause 2.12) 2244.8447 1666 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2244.8447 when you really feel like 2245.9589 1667 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2245.9589 (pause 0.25) 2246.2075 1668 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2246.2075 you don't want the other person to be 2248.9294 1669 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2248.9294 (pause 0.82) 2249.7543 1670 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2249.7543 I don't know like, hungry or tired, or like if they're cold and you're just like oh like here, I don't want you do be cold, cover up. Or if you know they're hungry so you decided to cook. Like, 2258.2722 1671 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2258.2722 (pause 1.24) 2259.5126 1672 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2259.5126 and I was doing all this like, was before I even thought he ever liked me. 2262.6356 1673 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2262.6356 (pause 0.83) 2263.4702 1674 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2263.4702 [But I was like], You know what, 2264.5427 1675 ROC_int_01 2263.4889 [Mm-hm.] 2264.0111 1676 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2265.2188 I'm gonna prove to you 2266.4312 1677 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2266.4312 (pause 0.58) 2267.0140 1678 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2267.0140 that 2267.3684 1679 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2267.3684 (pause 1.47) 2268.8407 1680 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2268.8407 there is one person out there 2270.7059 1681 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2270.7059 (pause 0.80) 2271.5079 1682 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2271.5079 at least one, 2272.5151 1683 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2272.5151 (pause 1.02) 2273.5398 1684 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2273.5398 which means that if there's me, there's more. 2275.7686 1685 ROC_int_01 2276.0624 [Mm-hm.] 2276.5473 1686 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2276.3189 [I] just happened to be here. 2277.2748 1687 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2278.0395 But 2278.3799 1688 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2278.3799 (pause 1.34) 2279.7170 1689 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2279.7170 I guess when I say 2280.5954 1690 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2280.5954 (pause 0.26) 2280.8546 1691 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2280.8546 good, I decided to give what I needed. 2282.9670 1692 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2282.9670 (pause 0.87) 2283.8343 1693 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2283.8343 Without having what I need 2285.5130 1694 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2285.5130 (pause 0.53) 2286.0387 1695 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2286.0387 but giving it because I need it. 2287.3770 1696 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2287.3770 (pause 0.98) 2288.3562 1697 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2288.3562 cause in some way, it is fulfilling. 2289.9322 1698 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2289.9322 (pause 1.41) 2291.3390 1699 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2291.3390 It- 2291.6307 1700 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2291.6307 (pause 0.20) 2291.8258 1701 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2291.8258 I didn't do with the expectation that I would get it back, 2294.1184 1702 ROC_int_01 2294.4401 Mm. 2294.7945 1703 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2295.1582 but I think that's why I got it [back, eventually.] It took w- a really long time, but 2299.6847 1704 ROC_int_01 2296.5011 [Yeah.] 2296.7855 1705 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2300.7898 I think if I know what I need, or I know what I grew up without, or I haven't had. 2305.1531 1706 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2305.1531 (pause 1.62) 2306.7758 1707 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2306.7758 Not to say that the other person is deficient, everyone has different needs, but I think if you just give what you're missing, it does feel good. 2313.0416 1708 ROC_int_01 2313.4007 Mm. 2313.7690 1709 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2314.0395 Because it- I feel like it puts out into the air like, 2316.3231 1710 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2316.3231 (pause 0.38) 2316.7055 1711 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2316.7055 maybe fucking someone on this planet will give that back to you. Or just is capable of giving that back. Just cause you didn't meet anyone up until now who gave it back, doesn't mean you can't give it to someone else. 2327.2612 1712 ROC_int_01 2327.5864 Mm-hm. 2328.1180 1713 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2328.5376 So it kind of made me feel like stronger because of that. 2330.8971 1714 ROC_int_01 2331.3540 Yeah. 2331.7550 1715 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2332.1840 [And then it] worked. 2333.1166 1716 ROC_int_01 2332.1948 [/??/] 2332.6605 1717 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2333.5211 It did. 2333.9874 1718 ROC_int_01 2334.1133 That sounds like a really good relationship then (laughing). 2337.0090 1719 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2337.3400 Um, I have to say that I- it's still like, I kind of like embarked on that whole journey for selfish reasons. 2342.9670 1720 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2342.9670 (pause 0.37) 2343.3354 1721 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2343.3354 I did it for self improvement. 2344.5710 1722 ROC_int_01 2344.8322 Mm-hm. 2345.1865 1723 ROC_int_01 2345.1865 (pause 1.03) 2346.2159 1724 ROC_int_01 2346.2159 I mean- and I think that's what we all do though, at some level. 2349.0882 1725 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2349.7970 Yeah. 2350.3053 1726 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2350.3053 (pause 0.40) 2350.7005 1727 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2350.7005 I mean you're right, but 2352.0993 1728 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2352.0993 (pause 1.11) 2353.2091 1729 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2353.2091 I tried to keep that goal in mind and I tried to think that even if I got my heart broken, I still kno- at least know that I can- 2358.8734 1730 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2358.8734 (pause 0.97) 2359.8479 1731 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2359.8479 I can try to be with someone without manipulation, [or riding] on the coat tails of something else, or like- 2365.8059 1732 ROC_int_01 2362.9196 [Mm.] 2363.4046 1733 ROC_int_01 2365.9661 Mm-hm. 2366.5753 1734 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2369.3160 Like, I think it's gonna be a- a lot easier for me. I could take advantage of a lot of situations. 2374.4237 1735 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2374.4237 (pause 0.26) 2374.6794 1736 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2374.6794 I could be a certain kind of girl I guess. But I'm just not so, 2377.9365 1737 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2377.9365 (pause 0.57) 2378.5054 1738 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2378.5054 fuck it. I just have to like, 2379.8903 1739 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2379.8903 (pause 2.75) 2382.6356 1740 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2382.6356 try things a different way. And it felt good not to be manipulative, or like, 2386.5757 1741 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2386.5757 (pause 2.60) 2389.1765 1742 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2389.1765 just get what I want, any other way, other than honesty. 2392.4824 1743 ROC_int_01 2392.7482 Mm-hm. 2393.3124 1744 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2393.4710 That feels good. 2394.2066 1745 ROC_int_01 2394.4304 Yeah. 2394.8780 1746 ROC_int_01 2394.8780 (pause 0.65) 2395.5308 1747 ROC_int_01 2395.5308 That's awesome. 2396.3515 1748 ROC_int_01 2396.3515 (pause 0.33) 2396.6778 1749 ROC_int_01 2396.6778 That's great . 2398.2307 1750 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2398.3286 Thanks . 2399.3915 1751 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2399.3915 (pause 0.37) 2399.7627 1752 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2399.7627 Even still if I get my heart broken, it's gonna suck, 2402.1463 1753 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2402.1463 (pause 0.72) 2402.8644 1754 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2402.8644 but 2403.2281 1755 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2403.2281 (pause 1.82) 2405.0502 1756 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2405.0502 I still have England. 2405.9454 1757 ROC_int_01 2406.4630 Yes. 2407.0925 1758 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2407.1625 I literally- I think at this point, 2409.0183 1759 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2409.0183 (pause 2.39) 2411.4092 1760 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2411.4092 I think if this doesn't work out, I'm just gonna leave. 2413.7453 1761 ROC_int_01 2414.0950 Mm-hm. 2414.4867 1762 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2414.4914 There's nothing left. 2415.6338 1763 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2415.6338 (pause 0.94) 2416.5710 1764 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2416.5710 Which sound like devastating, but it's not. 2419.2604 1765 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2419.2604 (pause 0.69) 2419.9552 1766 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2419.9552 I just literally think I'd finish up my lease, 2421.9835 1767 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2421.9835 (pause 0.41) 2422.3892 1768 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2422.3892 and 2422.6177 1769 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2422.6177 (pause 0.44) 2423.0560 1770 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2423.0560 fucking just go. 2424.0387 1771 ROC_int_01 2424.4164 Mm-hm. 2424.7894 1772 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2424.9340 And I think that's hopeful. I don't think it's 2426.7385 1773 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2426.7385 (pause 0.52) 2427.2561 1774 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2427.2561 like, oh my god I have nothing without you. Like, don't leave me. Like no, if you wanna leave, 2431.3583 1775 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2431.3583 (pause 1.11) 2432.4634 1776 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2432.4634 consider what you're walking out on, 2433.8623 1777 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2433.8623 (pause 0.34) 2434.1980 1778 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2434.1980 I hope it makes you feel like shit later. 2435.8207 1779 ROC_int_01 2435.9268 2437.1158 1780 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2437.2044 But, um, 2438.2862 1781 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2438.2862 (pause 0.30) 2438.5893 1782 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2438.5893 bye. 2439.1655 1783 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2439.1655 (pause 0.20) 2439.3617 1784 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2439.3617 There's like a whole- there's a whole world. 2441.3404 1785 ROC_int_01 2442.4957 Mm-hm. 2442.9433 1786 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2443.1765 So, 2443.6008 1787 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2443.6008 (pause 1.38) 2444.9810 1788 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2444.9810 I'm really hopeful, but at the same time, 2447.4261 1789 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2447.4261 (pause 0.28) 2447.7098 1790 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2447.7098 I feel like I'm 2448.5283 1791 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2448.5283 (pause 0.19) 2448.7219 1792 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2448.7219 old enough 2449.2603 1793 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2449.2603 (pause 0.22) 2449.4783 1794 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2449.4783 to not 2450.2023 1795 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2450.2023 (pause 1.18) 2451.3773 1796 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2451.3773 fall apart over it. Or if I fall apart, 2453.5689 1797 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2453.5689 (pause 0.71) 2454.2765 1798 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2454.2765 put myself back together. 2455.4049 1799 ROC_int_01 2455.6894 Yeah. 2456.0251 1800 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2458.0348 So. 2458.7529 1801 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2458.7529 (pause 0.66) 2459.4139 1802 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2459.4139 A- and it won't be- 2460.4211 1803 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2460.4211 (pause 0.67) 2461.0879 1804 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2461.0879 won't be the same. When you have to put yourself back together over and over and over again, you never do it the same way. It's impossible. 2466.3977 1805 ROC_int_01 2466.5889 Mm-hm. 2467.1298 1806 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2467.4842 the pieces don't fit anymore, but 2468.9810 1807 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2468.9810 (pause 0.66) 2469.6431 1808 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2469.6431 the- they just become something else, they just fit into something else. 2472.6822 1809 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2472.6822 (pause 0.30) 2472.9806 1810 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2472.9806 [You are] someone else, but 2474.3748 1811 ROC_int_01 2472.9806 [Mm-hm.] 2473.5635 1812 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2475.5732 it'll be okay. 2476.2680 1813 ROC_int_01 2478.4584 Mm-hm. 2479.0879 1814 ROC_int_01 2479.0879 (pause 0.50) 2479.5868 1815 ROC_int_01 2479.5868 Yeah. 2480.0577 1816 ROC_int_01 2480.0577 (pause 1.38) 2481.4333 1817 ROC_int_01 2481.4333 Okay, 2481.9265 1818 ROC_int_01 2481.9265 (pause 0.34) 2482.2627 1819 ROC_int_01 2482.2627 cool. 2482.8025 1820 ROC_int_01 2482.8025 (pause 0.34) 2483.1382 1821 ROC_int_01 2483.1382 Um, 2483.6109 1822 ROC_int_01 2483.6109 (pause 1.42) 2485.0272 1823 ROC_int_01 2485.0272 so I guess I wanna turn to asking a few more questions about 2488.7436 1824 ROC_int_01 2488.7436 (pause 0.47) 2489.2145 1825 ROC_int_01 2489.2145 your thoughts on Rochester. Like, 2491.6707 1826 ROC_int_01 2491.6707 (pause 0.59) 2492.2629 1827 ROC_int_01 2492.2629 um, 2492.9064 1828 ROC_int_01 2492.9064 (pause 3.25) 2496.1553 1829 ROC_int_01 2496.1553 what do you feel like are the best aspects of Rochester, or- and what 2501.4808 1830 ROC_int_01 2501.4808 (pause 0.16) 2501.6454 1831 ROC_int_01 2501.6454 do you think could use improvement I [guess?] 2504.5520 1832 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2504.3235 [Hm.] Well- 2506.2773 1833 ROC_int_01 2506.8835 If there are any best for you (laughing). 2509.3676 1834 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2509.3956 There are. I didn't even start to like- 2512.1421 1835 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2512.1421 (pause 0.38) 2512.5244 1836 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2512.5244 uh, this sucks cause I have a cold. 2514.5470 1837 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2514.5470 (pause 0.71) 2515.2557 1838 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2515.2557 Um, 2515.7299 1839 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2515.7299 (pause 0.24) 2515.9712 1840 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2515.9712 I didn't even start to like the city that I lived in until I was maybe twenty-five. 2519.4413 1841 ROC_int_01 2519.9268 Mm. 2520.2439 1842 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2520.5003 And I realized that it's not completely shitty. 2522.3282 1843 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2522.3282 (pause 1.30) 2523.6291 1844 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2523.6291 And it actually is some people's goal to live here. Some people, wanna move to Rochester. 2527.4516 1845 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2527.4516 (pause 0.50) 2527.9552 1846 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2527.9552 It took me until twenty-five to realize that, cause I was like, ew what the fuck, who wants to be here. Like, 2532.5516 1847 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2532.5516 (pause 0.19) 2532.7384 1848 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2532.7384 why'd- 2533.1161 1849 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2533.1161 (pause 0.18) 2533.2947 1850 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2533.2947 what- 2533.6502 1851 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2533.6502 (pause 0.19) 2533.8375 1852 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2533.8375 no, but. 2534.8971 1853 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2534.8971 (pause 0.89) 2535.7868 1854 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2535.7868 I mean, 2536.3044 1855 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2536.3044 (pause 1.37) 2537.6753 1856 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2537.6753 um, 2538.1882 1857 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2538.1882 (pause 0.74) 2538.9238 1858 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2538.9238 has it's weird artsy, 2540.2739 1859 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2540.2739 (pause 0.23) 2540.5085 1860 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2540.5085 quirky things. And like, I fit in on that scene. 2543.1624 1861 ROC_int_01 2543.3582 Yeah. 2543.7685 1862 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2544.1602 And 2544.6825 1863 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2544.6825 (pause 0.53) 2545.2129 1864 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2545.2129 i- 2545.6326 1865 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2545.6326 (pause 0.35) 2545.9823 1866 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2545.9823 it's like, 2546.5978 1867 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2546.5978 (pause 1.15) 2547.7448 1868 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2547.7448 our whole high school was like that, 2549.3162 1869 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2549.3162 (pause 0.31) 2549.6287 1870 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2549.6287 even though like, within it there was still like- there was still like a caste system . 2553.5816 1871 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2553.5816 (pause 0.41) 2553.9920 1872 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2553.9920 You know like, (laughing) 2554.6728 1873 ROC_int_01 2554.6728 Mm-hm. 2555.2929 1874 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2555.4421 but still, like, it was high school so of course. 2557.8564 1875 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2557.8564 (pause 0.36) 2558.2201 1876 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2558.2201 But [I feel] like there are parts of Rochester that are like 2560.8919 1877 ROC_int_01 2558.5185 [Right.] 2558.8729 1878 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2561.3302 /RD-SCHOOL-4/. Like they are artsy and quirky and weird and like different. And I do appreciate that about our city. Cause those are the people who would probably talk to me and start a conversation, like. 2569.6465 1879 ROC_int_01 2569.6652 Mm-hm. 2570.2201 1880 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2570.3506 Those are the people that 2571.4138 1881 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2571.4138 (pause 0.76) 2572.1738 1882 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2572.1738 I might find a friend 2573.3871 1883 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2573.3871 (pause 0.19) 2573.5762 1884 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2573.5762 w- within. 2574.3887 1885 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2574.3887 (pause 0.82) 2575.2082 1886 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2575.2082 And 2575.9217 1887 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2575.9217 (pause 0.32) 2576.2434 1888 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2576.2434 there are some really talented artists here. And- and the art scene obviously needs improvement, but, 2580.9436 1889 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2580.9436 (pause 0.95) 2581.8983 1890 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2581.8983 um, 2582.3693 1891 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2582.3693 (pause 0.85) 2583.2179 1892 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2583.2179 it's really, like, there are some really talented 2585.3909 1893 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2585.3909 (pause 0.98) 2586.3736 1894 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2586.3736 artists here. And I've seen beautiful art here and, 2588.5605 1895 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2588.5605 (pause 0.89) 2589.4511 1896 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2589.4511 um, 2589.9127 1897 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2589.9127 (pause 3.04) 2592.9564 1898 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2592.9564 I appreciate how affordable it is to live here. 2595.4744 1899 ROC_int_01 2595.7355 Mm-hm. 2596.1925 1900 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2596.3883 [Because] I know that it's expensive in other places. And I appreciate the fact that I can like, 2601.7635 1901 ROC_int_01 2596.3977 [ It is.] 2597.1470 1902 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2602.7380 split a really nice brand new three bedroom with two other people and have my rent only be three-twenty a month. 2608.7147 1903 ROC_int_01 2608.7380 Mm, yeah. 2609.9597 1904 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2610.2302 Like, 2610.5752 1905 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2610.5752 (pause 0.51) 2611.0870 1906 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2611.0870 you know, even if it's not my own place 2613.0455 1907 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2613.0455 (pause 0.23) 2613.2767 1908 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2613.2767 and even if it's not, 2614.1738 1909 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2614.1738 (pause 0.50) 2614.6728 1910 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2614.6728 you know, me living alone, or me living with my boyfriend, like 2617.2791 1911 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2617.2791 (pause 0.16) 2617.4437 1912 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2617.4437 it's really nice. 2618.6397 1913 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2618.6397 (pause 0.58) 2619.2226 1914 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2619.2226 You can like, make a home here. And it's not expensive and in other places it's just like, oh my god. like part of the reason why I haven't left is because I've never felt like I've been able to save up enough money to be okay, 2628.7291 1915 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2628.7291 (pause 1.24) 2629.9683 1916 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2629.9683 somewhere else. 2630.7517 1917 ROC_int_01 2630.7517 Mm-hm. 2631.2552 1918 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2631.4744 Um, without being in school or 2633.0318 1919 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2633.0318 (pause 1.33) 2634.3654 1920 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2634.3654 just in any case even if I were in school, nobody wants to go somewhere and be broke. Like, 2638.2018 1921 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2638.2018 (pause 0.43) 2638.6355 1922 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2638.6355 nobody wants to do that. Like I'm done with this struggle. 2640.8037 1923 ROC_int_01 2641.1010 Listen. [] 2642.6537 1924 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2642.1455 [I'm done with] this struggle (laughing). And it doesn't have to be a struggle. 2645.0645 1925 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2645.2743 It really doesn't. Even if it means that you have to stay in your hometown a little longer which [is what I've] done. 2649.6889 1926 ROC_int_01 2648.6696 [Mm.] 2649.1050 1927 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2650.6588 And I- I'm starting to feel 2651.9224 1928 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2651.9224 (pause 0.55) 2652.4773 1929 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2652.4773 weird about it. 2653.2793 1930 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2653.2793 (pause 0.71) 2653.9869 1931 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2653.9869 But that's like this year, 2655.2041 1932 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2655.2041 (pause 0.43) 2655.6384 1933 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2655.6384 cause I'm twenty-six. Like, 2656.9292 1934 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2656.9292 (pause 0.59) 2657.5214 1935 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2657.5214 you might have to stay in your home town a little longer and it's okay. 2659.9170 1936 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2659.9170 (pause 1.17) 2661.0874 1937 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2661.0874 Just to make sure like, everything is in line. So, 2663.7592 1938 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2663.7592 (pause 0.75) 2664.5088 1939 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2664.5088 I have started to appreciate this city. 2666.7563 1940 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2666.7563 (pause 1.32) 2668.0759 1941 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2668.0759 And 2668.4443 1942 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2668.4443 (pause 0.69) 2669.1344 1943 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2669.1344 I think it's really great for people who 2671.8657 1944 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2671.8657 (pause 1.04) 2672.9055 1945 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2672.9055 are at a certain level of income. 2674.7567 1946 ROC_int_01 2675.5028 Mm. 2676.0203 1947 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2676.3328 I think it's terrible for people who aren't 2678.7283 1948 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2678.7283 (pause 0.32) 2679.0501 1949 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2679.0501 [sometimes.] 2679.7728 1950 ROC_int_01 2679.0501 [Mm.] 2679.4418 1951 ROC_int_01 2680.4210 And where do you think those people I guess live 2682.6172 1952 ROC_int_01 2682.6172 (pause 0.26) 2682.8783 1953 ROC_int_01 2682.8783 /uh/ generally? Who- 2684.2667 1954 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2685.0734 Um, well, when I was sixteen I lived on the East Side. 2688.2582 1955 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2688.2582 (pause 0.39) 2688.6487 1956 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2688.6487 In- in the hood. It was legitimately that. 2691.3080 1957 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2691.3080 (pause 0.22) 2691.5251 1958 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2691.5251 I hate people say it's the hood and it's like Culver Road. 2694.3281 1959 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2694.3281 (pause 0.39) 2694.7151 1960 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2694.7151 No it's not. 2695.3166 1961 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2695.3166 (pause 0.46) 2695.7771 1962 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2695.7771 You've never lived in a place where someone got shot and there are bullet holes in your- in your bedroom and people are chasing you because they want your coat and they don't have one and it's cold. Like, 2704.6961 1963 ROC_int_01 2704.6536 Mm-hm. 2704.9407 1964 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2705.7266 that is the hood to me. 2706.9996 1965 ROC_int_01 2707.0648 Yeah. 2707.3912 1966 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2707.5579 And [it is.] 2708.2807 1967 ROC_int_01 2707.7585 [Mm-hm.] 2708.2667 1968 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2709.2506 The hood is not somewhere with slightly broke down buildings which are now trendy. 2713.2514 1969 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2713.2514 (pause 0.61) 2713.8610 1970 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2713.8610 [I mean], 2714.5325 1971 ROC_int_01 2713.8610 [Yeah.] 2714.5325 1972 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2714.8775 that is not the hood. 2716.0759 1973 ROC_int_01 2716.5142 [Mm-hm.] 2716.9199 1974 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2716.5282 [the worst-] w- terrible things can happen to you in really beautiful places so, 2720.7143 1975 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2721.9640 um, 2722.4350 1976 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2722.4350 (pause 1.68) 2724.1136 1977 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2724.1136 I think that 2725.2315 1978 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2725.2315 (pause 2.00) 2727.2273 1979 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2727.2273 like, places deep on the West Side and deep on the East Side are probably like in the city. 2731.3446 1980 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2731.3446 (pause 0.56) 2731.9030 1981 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2731.9030 Yes [like], 2733.0594 1982 ROC_int_01 2732.4113 [Mm-hm.] 2733.0454 1983 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2733.8941 but other than that, 2734.9246 1984 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2734.9246 (pause 2.53) 2737.4507 1985 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2737.4507 like the numbered streets. first street, second street, third street, fourth street are all terrible. [Obviously (laughing).] 2742.1183 1986 ROC_int_01 2741.5941 [] 2742.0739 1987 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2742.8352 Um, 2743.2681 1988 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2743.2681 (pause 0.16) 2743.4292 1989 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2743.4292 Hudson. 2744.3367 1990 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2744.3367 (pause 1.39) 2745.7309 1991 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2745.7309 Even though, sometimes and I don't really have cause to drive down there anymore 2750.0149 1992 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2750.0149 (pause 0.62) 2750.6397 1993 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2750.6397 I've noticed there's a lot more art over there, 2752.3137 1994 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2752.3137 (pause 0.39) 2752.7054 1995 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2752.7054 than there was before. There are a bunch of [murals. And] like 2755.7491 1996 ROC_int_01 2754.3747 [That's great.] 2755.0092 1997 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2756.3133 huge paintings on buildings. And it just- it looks really nice and I don't know if it- that's changed anything, but at least someones bothered to like, 2763.1527 1998 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2763.1527 (pause 0.26) 2763.4091 1999 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2763.4091 to do that and I like that a lot. 2764.9945 2000 ROC_int_01 2765.1997 Mm-hm. 2765.8618 2001 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2765.9084 And it made me feel safer. And more relaxed. 2768.7750 2002 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2768.7750 (pause 0.57) 2769.3485 2003 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2769.3485 Even though there's like shit going on everywhere, like, when I was there, I was like oh this is nice. 2773.6277 2004 ROC_int_01 2773.7212 [Mm-hm.] 2774.1921 2005 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2774.1268 [Someone] cared to do this, even in a place that's considered the worst area. 2777.8338 2006 ROC_int_01 2778.0996 Yeah. 2778.4913 2007 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2778.6778 So, 2779.1255 2008 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2779.1255 (pause 0.37) 2779.4927 2009 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2779.4927 that was really nice, but I would say those areas are probably considered the worst. 2783.1950 2010 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2783.1950 (pause 0.72) 2783.9131 2011 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2783.9131 And then obviously like, the suburbs and Pittsford and Victor and 2787.5956 2012 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2787.5956 (pause 0.75) 2788.3464 2013 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2788.3464 those are the best. 2789.6473 2014 ROC_int_01 2790.0110 Mm-hm. 2790.7105 2015 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2790.8539 Um, 2791.5346 2016 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2791.5346 (pause 1.91) 2793.4464 2017 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2793.4464 I guess to people. 2794.8406 2018 ROC_int_01 2795.4328 Yeah. And so, I wanna ask you this question cause I've gotten it several times, 2800.2111 2019 ROC_int_01 2800.2111 (pause 0.57) 2800.7847 2020 ROC_int_01 2800.7847 when I was an undergrad, people asked me, they were like, is Rochester segregated? 2805.3718 2021 ROC_int_01 2805.3718 (pause 0.62) 2805.9873 2022 ROC_int_01 2805.9873 And I'm like, 2807.1530 2023 ROC_int_01 2807.1530 (pause 0.30) 2807.4561 2024 ROC_int_01 2807.4561 for me I didn't really realize it, cause I just 2810.6663 2025 ROC_int_01 2810.6663 (pause 0.42) 2811.0831 2026 ROC_int_01 2811.0831 grew up in it. [But] do you feel like it's segregated? or do you feel like it's kind of diverse or there are pockets of 2816.8589 2027 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2811.8428 [Yeah.] 2812.3230 2028 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2817.6982 [There are pockets of-], there- there are pockets of diversity. 2821.2642 2029 ROC_int_01 2817.9432 [/unintelligible/] 2818.7474 2030 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2821.8051 But 2822.3413 2031 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2822.3413 (pause 0.39) 2822.7330 2032 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2822.7330 i- yeah. It's definitely se- segregated. 2825.5680 2033 ROC_int_01 2825.5867 Mm-hm. 2826.0250 2034 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2826.4948 And I realized that pretty early on. 2829.1900 2035 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2829.1900 (pause 2.00) 2831.1857 2036 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2831.1857 And it's, uh, not uncomfortable because I did grow up here. 2835.0920 2037 ROC_int_01 2835.3112 Mm-hm. 2835.7169 2038 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2835.8148 Doesn't have to be uncomfortable. Um, 2837.7546 2039 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2837.7546 (pause 1.82) 2839.5766 2040 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2839.5766 Unless you make it uncomfortable. 2841.1293 2041 ROC_int_01 2841.3672 Yeah. 2841.7075 2042 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2842.2531 But 2842.6355 2043 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2842.6355 (pause 0.88) 2843.5121 2044 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2843.5121 definitely 2844.4167 2045 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2844.4167 (pause 0.57) 2844.9891 2046 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2844.9891 made me- 2845.6046 2047 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2845.6046 (pause 0.57) 2846.1735 2048 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2846.1735 it- it propelled me to find a place where I was comfortable. 2848.9106 2049 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2848.9106 (pause 0.82) 2849.7266 2050 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2849.7266 And that's here. 2850.5473 2051 ROC_int_01 2850.8818 Mm-hm. 2851.3481 2052 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2851.3901 Where I see d- people that- I- I can't live somewhere where I don't see anyone who looks like me. That's- 2856.8084 2053 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2856.8084 (pause 0.59) 2857.3947 2054 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2857.3947 that would make me uncomfortable. 2858.7890 2055 ROC_int_01 2859.0547 Mm. 2859.3672 2056 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2860.1738 Like just no one. 2861.0038 2057 ROC_int_01 2861.5354 Mm-hm. 2862.0157 2058 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2862.5193 Uh, tha- that's weird. So, I- it made me decide to find where I wanted to live when I was an adult w- w- the areas that I wanted to 2870.0056 2059 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2870.0056 (pause 0.79) 2870.7983 2060 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2870.7983 make a home in. There were areas like this. Like the artsy, weird, cultural 2875.6652 2061 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2875.6652 (pause 0.38) 2876.0429 2062 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2876.0429 more cultural places like, 2877.4231 2063 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2877.4231 (pause 0.63) 2878.0573 2064 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2878.0573 yeah there's a shit ton of white people everywhere, 2879.9271 2065 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2879.9271 (pause 0.20) 2880.1229 2066 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2880.1229 there's white people everywhere, this is America, but 2882.1828 2067 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2882.1828 (pause 0.48) 2882.6677 2068 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2882.6677 at the same time like, 2883.9267 2069 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2883.9267 (pause 0.95) 2884.8733 2070 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2884.8733 there's almost equally as many people 2887.0508 2071 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2887.0508 (pause 0.78) 2887.8331 2072 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2887.8331 that are everything else. 2889.0501 2073 ROC_int_01 2889.2413 Mm-hm. 2889.6190 2074 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2889.7728 And that makes me feel like, 2891.5553 2075 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2891.5553 (pause 0.19) 2891.7479 2076 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2891.7479 I don't even have to think about oh my god I live around people who don't look like me. Oh my god. Like, 2896.1086 2077 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2896.1086 (pause 0.77) 2896.8779 2078 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2896.8779 I don't even think about it. I'd rather live in a place that 2899.0369 2079 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2899.0369 (pause 0.39) 2899.4274 2080 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2899.4274 doesn't make me think about it at all. [If I] could- 2901.7075 2081 ROC_int_01 2900.8496 [Mm-hm.] 2901.4045 2082 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2901.9267 uh, if I could just never think about it until the day I die, I'd be perfectly happy. 2906.0849 2083 ROC_int_01 2906.4252 Mm-hm. 2906.7796 2084 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2907.2226 So there are some areas that raise that comfort level for me. Although, i- i- i- if I had to stay here, I would end up- 2913.7324 2085 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2913.7324 (pause 0.39) 2914.1194 2086 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2914.1194 I would want to 2915.2771 2087 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2915.2771 (pause 2.06) 2917.3368 2088 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2917.3368 buy a home. Obviously, like 2919.6391 2089 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2919.6391 (pause 0.81) 2920.4505 2090 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2920.4505 somewhere really nice. I'd want a really nice house the architecture is- is 2924.1248 2091 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2924.1248 (pause 0.29) 2924.4139 2092 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2924.4139 better in certain areas. [Like], 2926.2407 2093 ROC_int_01 2925.6951 [Mm-hm.] 2926.2453 2094 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2926.6528 the houses look less broke down 2928.5211 2095 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2928.5211 (pause 0.14) 2928.6611 2096 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2928.6611 outside of the city. And that's the truth. It has nothing to do with like, 2931.3518 2097 ROC_int_01 2931.6036 Yeah. 2931.8554 2098 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2931.8647 the kind of people who live there. It's just 2934.0237 2099 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2934.0237 (pause 0.54) 2934.5646 2100 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2934.5646 these houses are really nice. Like there are some beautiful beautiful houses here. 2937.9906 2101 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2937.9906 (pause 0.63) 2938.6248 2102 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2938.6248 All the old mansions on East Avenue, like, [if I could live] there, ideally if I had to stay of course. I'd live there. 2943.9580 2103 ROC_int_01 2940.6252 [Mm-hm.] 2941.0495 2104 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2944.2797 But it doesn't have anything to do with who lives around there. 2946.2988 2105 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2946.2988 (pause 0.33) 2946.6252 2106 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2946.6252 Or 2946.9189 2107 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2946.9189 (pause 0.18) 2947.0961 2108 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2947.0961 the fact that I feel like the city is segregated. I think it's just like, 2950.6964 2109 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2950.6964 (pause 1.57) 2952.2661 2110 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2952.2661 just the place. I'm thinking about just the house, or just the [apartment.] 2956.0932 2111 ROC_int_01 2955.4357 [Mm.] 2956.0979 2112 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2956.9372 And that's where I would ideally want to be, but 2959.4099 2113 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2959.4099 (pause 1.02) 2960.4344 2114 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2960.4344 yeah I like this area. It's really comfortable and nice. 2962.9559 2115 ROC_int_01 2963.1843 [Yeah.] 2963.4605 2116 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2963.2048 [I feel] like it's- ju- it's like the grown up version of school kind of. 2966.4997 2117 ROC_int_01 2967.4964 Yeah. 2968.0046 2118 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2968.3170 [It is.] There's always weird club nights. And like, 2971.1427 2119 ROC_int_01 2968.3403 [Yeah. ] 2969.1517 2120 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2973.0301 ch- ch- different people coming to perform. 2975.3802 2121 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2975.3802 (pause 0.25) 2975.6273 2122 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2975.6273 Not at the Armory or Blue Cross Arena, but just like, people. 2978.8027 2123 ROC_int_01 2979.0767 [Mm-hm.] 2979.4684 2124 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2979.3378 [Just] doing stuff. 2980.0559 2125 ROC_int_01 2980.6388 Yeah. 2981.0025 2126 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2980.9885 And they're not necessarily famous, but it's fun to go watch them. 2983.9215 2127 ROC_int_01 2984.3400 Mm-hm. 2984.8436 2128 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2985.3938 So, 2985.7528 2129 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2985.7528 (pause 0.43) 2986.1818 2130 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2986.1818 yeah. 2986.5782 2131 ROC_int_01 2987.9737 Yeah. 2988.2988 2132 ROC_int_01 2988.2988 (pause 1.04) 2989.3339 2133 ROC_int_01 2989.3339 Okay, cool. 2990.4111 2134 ROC_int_01 2990.4111 (pause 0.44) 2990.8529 2135 ROC_int_01 2990.8529 Um, 2991.4371 2136 ROC_int_01 2991.4371 (pause 0.29) 2991.7262 2137 ROC_int_01 2991.7262 2991.8288 2138 ROC_int_01 2991.8288 (pause 0.07) 2991.9034 2139 ROC_int_01 2991.9034 And I guess my last question would be, 2993.9304 2140 ROC_int_01 2993.9304 (pause 0.72) 2994.6485 2141 ROC_int_01 2994.6485 do you feel like, [um], people in Rochester, in all your travels I guess, do you feel like people in Rochester have an accent? 3002.6223 2142 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 2995.7316 [] 2996.4031 2143 ROC_int_01 3003.1420 [And they speak a certain way?] 3004.8766 2144 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3003.1466 [] 3003.2679 2145 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3003.2679 (pause 0.45) 3003.7202 2146 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3003.7202 [Um.] 3004.4709 2147 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3004.9279 They do- 3006.0603 2148 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3006.0603 (pause 0.17) 3006.2284 2149 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3006.2284 they do because I 3007.6650 2150 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3007.6650 (pause 0.26) 3007.9212 2151 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3007.9212 determined from when I was really young, not to have one. 3010.6350 2152 ROC_int_01 3010.6536 Yeah. 3011.8986 2153 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3012.2938 I- so I know they do. 3013.8765 2154 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3013.8765 (pause 0.15) 3014.0306 2155 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3014.0306 [] Especially with 3015.6837 2156 ROC_int_01 3014.0331 [Mm-hm.] 3014.7030 2157 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3016.1692 being a theater major and then like, doing voice work, which I still do. 3020.0844 2158 ROC_int_01 3020.2615 Mm. 3020.6439 2159 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3020.7138 Outside of- 3021.5905 2160 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3021.5905 (pause 0.64) 3022.2340 2161 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3022.2340 of, um, 3022.9386 2162 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3022.9386 (pause 0.78) 3023.7214 2163 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3023.7214 obviously of school, 3024.9979 2164 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3024.9979 (pause 0.21) 3025.2031 2165 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3025.2031 after school I've 3026.5006 2166 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3026.5006 (pause 0.39) 3026.8859 2167 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3026.8859 done 3027.3527 2168 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3027.3527 (pause 0.58) 3027.9355 2169 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3027.9355 pretty consistent voice work over the years. And I 3030.3323 2170 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3030.3323 (pause 0.39) 3030.7228 2171 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3030.7228 took care and not I just sound like that. 3032.2149 2172 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3032.2149 (pause 0.78) 3032.9936 2173 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3032.9936 Um, 3033.4728 2174 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3033.4728 (pause 0.18) 3033.6514 2175 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3033.6514 not necessarily because I thought it was ugly, 3035.5671 2176 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3035.5671 (pause 0.23) 3035.7947 2177 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3035.7947 but because I just wanted to- 3037.4455 2178 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3037.4455 (pause 1.67) 3039.1149 2179 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3039.1149 I wanted people to remember me not because I sound like I'm from a certain place. 3043.2637 2180 ROC_int_01 3043.3476 Mm. 3043.6757 2181 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3044.7278 And then like there are these t-shirts- have you seen the t-shirts that are like, um, 3048.2343 2182 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3048.2343 (pause 2.06) 3050.2942 2183 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3050.2942 it's like Shawcross, Boss Sauce, um, something and Murder Rates and it's like a Ro- a Rochester t-shirt. 3056.3501 2184 ROC_int_01 3056.4714 Yeah. 3056.7651 2185 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3056.7698 And it really is a dope t-shirt. I kind of [wanted one.] 3059.3484 2186 ROC_int_01 3058.6023 [Ah, you have] to send me that. I just wanna [see what it looks like. Yeah.] 3061.9538 2187 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3060.4477 [It's like a picture- i- it's like-] it says like four things. 3063.7677 2188 ROC_int_01 3063.9493 [Mm-hm.] 3064.5008 2189 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3064.0428 [It says-] I'm trying to think and I can't remember. 3066.5874 2190 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3067.2124 Um, 3067.7385 2191 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3067.7385 (pause 0.47) 3068.2059 2192 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3068.2059 yeah. 3068.6532 2193 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3068.6532 (pause 0.88) 3069.5345 2194 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3069.5345 And they rhyme. 3070.2293 2195 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3070.2293 (pause 0.29) 3070.5231 2196 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3070.5231 Like it starts off with like, Boss Sauce, 3072.5874 2197 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3072.5874 (pause 0.26) 3072.8440 2198 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3072.8440 something- 3073.5201 2199 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3073.5201 (pause 1.44) 3074.9563 2200 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3074.9563 Oh, oh, yeah, it's Boss Sauce, Garbage Plates, Shawcross 3079.2187 2201 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3079.2187 (pause 0.47) 3079.6927 2202 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3079.6927 Murder Rates. 3080.5320 2203 ROC_int_01 3080.7465 [Mm.] 3081.7350 2204 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3081.0915 [It's-] it's so dope [though (laughing). I love it.] 3083.6282 2205 ROC_int_01 3082.8728 [Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.] 3083.8709 2206 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3084.0607 And it was like the first Rochester thing. Like, I see Rochester hoodies, or like hoodies with lilacs on them and I'm like, ew. 3089.4463 2207 ROC_int_01 3090.0047 [Yeah. ] 3091.2950 2208 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3090.1323 [Like], 3090.5363 2209 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3091.3756 fuck do I look like wearing that? Like, 3092.7838 2210 ROC_int_01 3092.7973 Corn Hill [/unintelligible/.] 3094.4438 2211 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3093.3527 [somebody's- I look like somebody's] grandma like, carrying a tote bag that says Rochester. Like, fuck that. But I saw this shirt and I was like, oh my [god I need this shirt.] 3099.9355 2212 ROC_int_01 3098.9004 [/Mm-hm/.] 3099.9775 2213 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3100.5417 Um, 3101.0173 2214 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3101.0173 (pause 0.54) 3101.5536 2215 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3101.5536 so, yeah. 3102.4768 2216 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3102.4768 (pause 0.33) 3102.8067 2217 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3102.8067 Um, 3103.2870 2218 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3103.2870 (pause 0.60) 3103.8885 2219 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3103.8885 what was I gonna say- Yeah people from Rochester do have an accent and I 3107.5256 2220 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3107.5256 (pause 0.31) 3107.8368 2221 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3107.8368 have tried so hard 3109.4455 2222 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3109.4455 (pause 0.64) 3110.0844 2223 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3110.0844 not to sound like that. [Do I sound] like that to you? 3112.1454 2224 ROC_int_01 3111.2501 [Hm.] 3111.6185 2225 ROC_int_01 3112.9474 I'm actually trying to figure out what it is to have a Rochester 3117.7863 2226 ROC_int_01 3117.7863 (pause 0.52) 3118.3086 2227 ROC_int_01 3118.3086 accent. So I'm not even quite sure what 3120.9886 2228 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3121.4036 [I- I feel like-] 3122.4061 2229 ROC_int_01 3121.4036 [it is. I mean people] say it's like you say things like Rochester (atypical pronunciation). 3124.8821 2230 ROC_int_01 3125.2831 And I'm like, okay. But [you know], that's part of what I'm investigating. 3129.8329 2231 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3127.9911 [I f-] 3128.2242 2232 ROC_int_01 3130.1873 It's what I'm, 3130.6350 2233 ROC_int_01 3130.6350 (pause 0.69) 3131.3297 2234 ROC_int_01 3131.3297 [trying to say.] 3132.0385 2235 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3131.4183 [I hope that] when you figure it out, you think I don't [sound like a Rochester person (laughing)] 3136.1593 2236 ROC_int_01 3133.9538 [] 3135.7956 2237 ROC_int_01 3136.3692 Yeah. 3136.7888 2238 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3136.7842 I feel like it's nasal. 3138.0467 2239 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3138.4197 And I also feel like, 3139.3849 2240 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3139.3849 (pause 0.40) 3139.7813 2241 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3139.7813 a lot of people come from 3141.1615 2242 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3141.1615 (pause 0.35) 3141.5159 2243 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3141.5159 like, the city [here.] 3143.4090 2244 ROC_int_01 3142.7888 [Mm-hm.] 3143.3670 2245 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3143.6748 So they're 3144.1271 2246 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3144.1271 (pause 0.49) 3144.6202 2247 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3144.6202 a lot of people's moms are from the city [area. And then they have] kids who are [born here so they kind] of, 3149.4277 2248 ROC_int_01 3146.8801 [Yeah.] 3147.4722 2249 ROC_int_01 3147.4722 (pause 0.47) 3147.9402 2250 ROC_int_01 3147.9402 [Yeah like that. Yeah.] 3149.1898 2251 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3149.6888 sound like it. 3150.5701 2252 ROC_int_01 3150.7694 Mm-hm. 3151.0678 2253 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3151.0678 But it's fake, or it's like an echo of it. [It's not] really the real thing. 3155.0640 2254 ROC_int_01 3153.2734 [Mm.] 3153.6278 2255 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3155.7669 And um, 3156.5689 2256 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3156.5689 (pause 0.70) 3157.2730 2257 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3157.2730 people don't pronounce their consonants. 3159.1848 2258 ROC_int_01 3159.5858 Mm. 3160.2200 2259 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3160.2806 And people, 3161.0173 2260 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3161.0173 (pause 0.39) 3161.4043 2261 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3161.4043 put emphasis on words- on different syllables and words like, 3164.8787 2262 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3164.8787 (pause 0.89) 3165.7677 2263 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3165.7677 which makes them sound like they're from here. 3167.6888 2264 ROC_int_01 3167.9359 Mm. 3168.4395 2265 ROC_int_01 3168.4395 (pause 0.39) 3168.8300 2266 ROC_int_01 3168.8300 And so, 3169.6181 2267 ROC_int_01 3169.6181 (pause 0.42) 3170.0377 2268 ROC_int_01 3170.0377 uh- oh do you mean like, Chili and stuff like that, or- 3173.7914 2269 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3174.1213 Um, 3174.6528 2270 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3174.6528 (pause 1.31) 3175.9678 2271 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3175.9678 kind of, but like, when you think about the word Rochester, 3179.0546 2272 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3179.0546 (pause 0.18) 3179.2365 2273 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3179.2365 I say Rochester. I don't really know why, but I do. 3182.1129 2274 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3182.1129 (pause 0.55) 3182.6579 2275 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3182.6579 Maybe I trained myself to say it a long time ago, but I always hear people saying Rochester, 3187.1191 2276 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3187.1191 (pause 0.21) 3187.3290 2277 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3187.3290 or Rochester. 3188.3828 2278 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3188.3828 (pause 0.24) 3188.6253 2279 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3188.6253 Which is terrible. I don't know why anybody (laughing) would say that. But like, 3191.3764 2280 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3191.3764 (pause 0.58) 3191.9534 2281 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3191.9534 the emphasis is on different parts of it. And I feel like when it is, you can tell that somebody is 3196.8215 2282 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3196.8215 (pause 0.36) 3197.1805 2283 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3197.1805 either from here, or from somewhere very far away from here and they don't know how to say the word. 3200.8304 2284 ROC_int_01 3201.0542 Hm. 3201.3946 2285 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3202.0008 So, 3202.5837 2286 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3202.5837 (pause 1.04) 3203.6223 2287 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3203.6223 I don't know, there's definitely 3205.0492 2288 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3205.0492 (pause 0.97) 3206.0237 2289 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3206.0237 a Rochester accent and i- i- it is the worst. 3208.6256 2290 ROC_int_01 3209.0453 Mm-hm, [yeah.] 3209.8753 2291 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3209.4789 [It's terrible (laughing).] 3210.5874 2292 ROC_int_01 3210.3871 [Yep.] I feel like if 3211.4875 2293 ROC_int_01 3211.7440 some- 3212.2336 2294 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3212.3175 [] 3213.3387 2295 ROC_int_01 3212.3501 [like if I did a] perception experiment. And like, put your voice up there, I don't think that people would automatically just be like, 3218.3565 2296 ROC_int_01 3218.6859 she's from Rochester, you know. I don't think /people/ like that would. 3222.3253 2297 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3222.2425 I think when I get angry, 3223.6927 2298 ROC_int_01 3223.7113 Mm-hm. 3224.2056 2299 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3224.3035 I don't know, when I get angry, I end up sounding like an angry old jewish lady. 3227.5163 2300 ROC_int_01 3227.9301 [] 3228.7601 2301 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3227.9394 [Like from] Brooklyn. 3229.3383 2302 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3230.1077 I don't know. It comes out when I'm angry. Other than that, I think it's pretty steady. 3233.6422 2303 ROC_int_01 3234.4943 Mm-hm. 3235.0772 2304 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3235.5201 And when I'm angry and do not think at all about the way I sound and I don't [care], 3239.0640 2305 misc 3238.8406 [See] ya. 3239.4235 2306 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3240.2752 Bye are you leaving? 3241.3579 2307 misc 3242.0564 Huh? 3242.5087 2308 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3242.6159 Are you leaving? 3243.2594 2309 misc 3243.5625 Yeah, I'll be back tomorrow. 3244.5697 2310 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3244.8168 Mkay, have fun. 3245.9079 2311 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3245.9079 (pause 1.66) 3247.5714 2312 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3247.5714 Um, 3248.1077 2313 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3248.1077 (pause 2.01) 3250.1127 2314 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3250.1127 I think 3250.5837 2315 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3250.5837 (pause 0.41) 3250.9940 2316 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3250.9940 I may- I don't know, I may sound, 3253.1896 2317 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3253.1896 (pause 0.16) 3253.3507 2318 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3253.3507 uh, like I have a Rochester accent when I [get angry], I don't know if that's what it is, 3257.4183 2319 ROC_int_01 3255.7396 [Mm.] 3256.0313 2320 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3257.7354 but 3257.9872 2321 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3257.9872 (pause 0.38) 3258.3637 2322 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3258.3637 my mom grew up in the Bronx. 3259.6833 2323 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3259.6833 (pause 0.77) 3260.4574 2324 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3260.4574 And 3260.9004 2325 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3260.9004 (pause 1.36) 3262.2619 2326 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3262.2619 she spent her childhood there. And 3263.4888 2327 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3263.4888 (pause 0.82) 3264.3125 2328 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3264.3125 um, part of her formative years, so maybe that's where it comes from. 3267.7630 2329 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3267.7630 (pause 0.57) 3268.3319 2330 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3268.3319 I end up sounding like her a little bit. 3269.8520 2331 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3269.8520 (pause 0.38) 3270.2332 2332 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3270.2332 [But I tried] really hard to like have the newscaster's accent. 3272.8724 2333 ROC_int_01 3270.2472 [Mm-hm.] 3270.7694 2334 ROC_int_01 3273.2547 Yeah. 3273.5299 2335 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3274.0288 No matter where I go, like I don't want people to ever be able to pinpoint that. D- first of all it doesn't matter, 3280.0008 2336 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3280.0008 (pause 0.33) 3280.3272 2337 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3280.3272 and second of all, 3281.1386 2338 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3281.1386 (pause 0.63) 3281.7669 2339 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3281.7669 if I really think about it I guess it's like, unattractive to the ear. 3284.9563 2340 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3284.9563 (pause 0.26) 3285.2174 2341 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3285.2174 That's probably because I'm from here. 3286.5510 2342 ROC_int_01 3286.7049 [Mm-hm.] 3287.0775 2343 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3286.7096 [Maybe] other people like it. Maybe people think it's adorable, oh it's so cute. 3290.6019 2344 ROC_int_01 3290.6626 [Mm-hm.] 3291.2128 2345 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3291.0076 [N-] it's not. [ to me but] 3293.1292 2346 ROC_int_01 3291.9800 [] 3293.1013 2347 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3293.6597 I don't know. 3294.2891 2348 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3294.2891 (pause 0.76) 3295.0445 2349 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3295.0445 Like I'm sure British people don't think they have sexy accents, you [know.] 3298.6210 2350 ROC_int_01 3298.2806 [Mm-hm.] 3298.9945 2351 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3299.6830 So, . 3300.7011 2352 ROC_int_01 3300.9839 Yeah. 3301.2811 2353 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3303.4179 Yeah, so, maybe you'll find it. 3304.8588 2354 ROC_int_01 3305.2691 Yeah. 3305.5629 2355 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3305.6363 And I really hope you don't find it on this [recording (laughing).] 3308.6560 2356 ROC_int_01 3307.7533 [] 3309.1895 2357 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3309.1989 I don't think you will [but.] 3310.7842 2358 ROC_int_01 3310.3039 [Yeah.] 3310.7049 2359 ROC_int_01 3311.5069 Well, [we'll see.] Yeah. 3312.7088 2360 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3311.7680 [Maybe.] 3312.1504 2361 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3313.0259 3313.6787 2362 ROC_int_01 3313.8562 Yeah, I don't know. [] 3315.6003 2363 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3314.6532 [] 3315.3247 2364 ROC_int_01 3316.4811 Okay, well. 3317.4836 2365 ROC_int_01 3317.4836 (pause 0.71) 3318.1912 2366 ROC_int_01 3318.1912 Um, okay, 3319.3709 2367 ROC_int_01 3319.3709 (pause 0.26) 3319.6274 2368 ROC_int_01 3319.6274 do you have any questions for me and are you okay with me possibly using this recording 3325.1425 2369 ROC_int_01 3325.1425 (pause 0.48) 3325.6181 2370 ROC_int_01 3325.6181 for research purposes? 3326.9610 2371 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3327.0309 No, I hope you do. 3328.2806 2372 ROC_int_01 3328.2806 Yeah, okay. 3328.8028 2373 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3328.7888 I [want you to use it] for research purposes. 3331.7751 2374 ROC_int_01 3329.2178 [] 3329.9359 2375 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3332.6299 See that's so funny. Like [I just] said research because you said research, but 3337.0539 2376 ROC_int_01 3334.0200 [Mm-hm.] 3334.3464 2377 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3337.3196 it didn't feel 3338.1683 2378 ROC_int_01 3338.5553 [Yeah.] 3339.2408 2379 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3338.5693 [natural.] 3339.2501 2380 ROC_int_01 3339.6884 [Mm-hm.] 3340.1314 2381 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3340.0195 [I] mimicked you, 3340.9940 2382 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3341.4323 but I've always said research. 3342.9979 2383 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3342.9979 (pause 0.22) 3343.2171 2384 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3343.2171 [And I don't] know why. 3344.1217 2385 ROC_int_01 3343.2264 [Mm.] 3343.6973 2386 ROC_int_01 3344.5273 [Yeah.] 3344.9050 2387 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3344.5367 [Like it's] so weird. I don't know, [maybe-] maybe that's a [Rochester] thing] 3348.2297 2388 ROC_int_01 3346.3459 [Yeah- yeah putting stress on the] first accent. 3349.2264 2389 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3349.3849 Uh, [maybe] that's. I have no idea 3351.3573 2390 ROC_int_01 3349.5621 [Yeah.] 3349.8932 2391 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3351.5905 but maybe that's a- 3352.6956 2392 ROC_int_01 3352.9194 [I mean the first syllable, yeah.] 3354.2950 2393 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3353.1111 [a Rochester thing.] 3354.3043 2394 ROC_int_01 3354.5842 Mm-hm. 3355.1018 2395 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3355.0680 I don't really know if I count though, cause I really tried, 3357.5533 2396 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3357.9730 really really hard 3358.8729 2397 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3358.8729 (pause 0.65) 3359.5211 2398 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3359.5211 to modify 3360.4257 2399 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3360.4257 (pause 1.00) 3361.4224 2400 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3361.4224 my speech before- before it became a pattern. 3364.5838 2401 ROC_int_01 3364.8589 Mm. 3365.3345 2402 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3365.4325 Before I got stuck in saying things a certain way. 3368.0146 2403 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3368.0146 (pause 0.42) 3368.4389 2404 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3368.4389 Cause I wanted to sound more educated. I did not wanna sound like my peers. 3371.8102 2405 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3371.8102 (pause 0.71) 3372.5236 2406 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3372.5236 And I wanted 3373.2510 2407 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3373.2510 (pause 0.90) 3374.1544 2408 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3374.1544 to look different in person than I sound on the phone. I wanted to surprise people. 3377.3952 2409 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3377.3952 (pause 0.28) 3377.6796 2410 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3377.6796 And I wanted to like have certain things be true despite what people would think [about the way] that I look. 3381.9730 2411 ROC_int_01 3381.1383 [Yeah.] 3381.4647 2412 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3382.5605 And like, 3382.8962 2413 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3382.8962 (pause 0.62) 3383.5164 2414 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3383.5164 I hope it worked. When I have a kid, 3385.1810 2415 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3385.1810 (pause 0.84) 3386.0239 2416 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3386.0239 I- I like I favor unisex names. 3388.0826 2417 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3388.0826 (pause 0.24) 3388.3241 2418 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3388.3241 Cause I don't want my kid to get hired 3389.7122 2419 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3389.7122 (pause 0.52) 3390.2345 2420 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3390.2345 just because they're a girl or a boy. 3391.8932 2421 ROC_int_01 3392.0146 Mm. 3392.3223 2422 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3392.4016 Or just because like, 3393.5020 2423 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3393.5020 (pause 0.88) 3394.3786 2424 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3394.3786 their name sounds like something and this is who we want to hire. 3396.7287 2425 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3396.7287 (pause 0.25) 3396.9747 2426 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3396.9747 What if my child has like an overtly black sounding name and you have to fill a quota. 3400.7377 2427 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3400.7377 (pause 0.29) 3401.0314 2428 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3401.0314 Don't hire my kid just because of that. 3402.6355 2429 ROC_int_01 3402.9374 [Mm-hm.] 3403.3478 2430 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3403.1706 [Hire] them because they're 3404.1638 2431 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3404.4435 good at what they do. [Interview] them, listen to them. Like, 3407.5910 2432 ROC_int_01 3405.6839 [Mm-hm.] 3406.2714 2433 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3408.0433 you know. 3408.4117 2434 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3408.4117 (pause 1.04) 3409.4503 2435 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3409.4503 Or also, don't hire my kid cause you thought they were white. 3411.8657 2436 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3411.8657 (pause 0.87) 3412.7377 2437 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3412.7377 And then you're disappointed when they walk in for their interview, you know. 3416.3316 2438 ROC_int_01 3416.3410 Yeah. 3416.6767 2439 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3417.2269 So it's like, 3417.7958 2440 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3417.7958 (pause 1.12) 3418.9195 2441 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3418.9195 that was what I wanted to do by 3420.9665 2442 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3420.9665 (pause 0.33) 3421.2918 2443 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3421.2918 originally not sounding like I was from a certain place. 3424.1738 2444 ROC_int_01 3424.3227 Mm-hm. 3424.7843 2445 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3425.0128 But 3425.2739 2446 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3425.2739 (pause 0.81) 3426.0806 2447 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3426.0806 I don't know. Your whole- this seems really interesting. And [I definitely] want to see, or read, or listen to whatever you- whatever the finished product [is.] 3433.6100 2448 ROC_int_01 3428.6953 [Mm-hm.] 3429.0637 2449 ROC_int_01 3429.0637 (pause 4.14) 3433.1997 2450 ROC_int_01 3433.1997 [Okay.] 3433.6333 2451 ROC_int_01 3433.7674 Cool. 3434.2897 2452 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3434.4575 Um. 3434.9145 2453 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3434.9145 (pause 0.60) 3435.5113 2454 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3435.5113 Yeah. I guess I kind of wanna do what you're doing when I go back to school. Just not 3439.0924 2455 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3439.0924 (pause 0.10) 3439.1939 2456 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3439.1939 specifically. I can't get this specific. I don't [think I know what I want] quite yet. 3444.0767 2457 ROC_int_01 3441.8144 [Yeah, yeah. ] 3443.5397 2458 ROC_int_01 3444.1692 [Mm-hm.] 3444.7754 2459 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3444.3394 [But like] 3444.7800 2460 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3445.3617 understanding why people do what they do is 3447.2923 2461 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3447.2923 (pause 0.19) 3447.4779 2462 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3447.4779 [also] why I would- 3448.8263 2463 ROC_int_01 3447.5020 [Mm-hm.] 3447.9853 2464 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3449.5910 why- what I'd wanna study if I 3451.3446 2465 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3451.3446 (pause 0.65) 3451.9959 2466 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3451.9959 went back and thought it would make me any money. [] 3454.6398 2467 ROC_int_01 3454.2527 [Mm-hm.] 3454.9505 2468 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3455.0268 Probably won't, but I [think] 3456.8066 2469 ROC_int_01 3456.6728 [Hey.] 3457.1251 2470 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3457.0587 it's interesting. And it'll make me happy. And 3459.2409 2471 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3459.6186 you seem like you're pretty happy and interested in [what you're] doing. 3463.1018 2472 ROC_int_01 3461.9733 [Yeah.] 3462.6914 2473 ROC_int_01 3463.3944 Yeah. 3463.9633 2474 ROC_int_01 3463.9633 (pause 0.19) 3464.1498 2475 ROC_int_01 3464.1498 My job's good. I don't know. Like, I guess I feel like I don't have the same day everyday. So, I like that [about it.] 3470.1638 2476 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3469.4457 [You shouldn't] feel like that. Or if [you] do, like I hope it's fulfilling. 3472.5682 2477 ROC_int_01 3470.8306 [Yeah.] 3471.0917 2478 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3472.6908 [But if] you don't I think that's interesting. 3474.5376 2479 ROC_int_01 3472.6957 [Mm-hm.] 3473.1807 2480 ROC_int_01 3474.6763 Yeah. For me that's important. Some people like 3476.9938 2481 ROC_int_01 3476.9938 (pause 0.70) 3477.6932 2482 ROC_int_01 3477.6932 the tradition. [And] 3479.1247 2483 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3478.6584 [Yeah.] 3479.1247 2484 ROC_int_01 3479.4278 you know, 3480.0106 2485 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3480.1039 the [habit.] 3480.6075 2486 ROC_int_01 3480.4163 [d-] daily routine. 3481.7639 2487 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3481.7814 Yeah. 3482.1078 2488 ROC_int_01 3482.4249 But I like being able to learn through things and 3485.8437 2489 ROC_int_01 3485.8437 (pause 0.57) 3486.4111 2490 ROC_int_01 3486.4111 yeah. 3486.9152 2491 ROC_int_01 3486.9152 (pause 0.45) 3487.3664 2492 ROC_int_01 3487.3664 Have a different experience 3488.9331 2493 ROC_int_01 3488.9331 (pause 0.51) 3489.4414 2494 ROC_int_01 3489.4414 everyday. So- 3490.3926 2495 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3491.7029 I can't wait to see what you come up with. 3493.6664 2496 ROC_int_01 3493.6975 Yeah thank you, [appreciate it. This has been] fun. 3497.0035 2497 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3495.5440 [Thank you.] 3496.2807 2498 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3496.2807 (pause 0.72) 3496.9988 2499 ROC_se0_ag1_f_03 3496.9988 It has. I'm sorry that [I like] lost my voice. 3499.0334 2500 ROC_int_01 3499.2152 No you're fine. 3500.1385