Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 ROC_int_01 0.4312 Okay. 1.3058 2 ROC_int_01 1.3058 (pause 0.54) 1.8447 3 ROC_int_01 1.8447 And 2.3600 4 ROC_int_01 2.3600 (pause 0.34) 2.7004 5 ROC_int_01 2.7004 you can think of this as pretty informal. 5.4045 6 ROC_int_01 5.4045 (pause 0.48) 5.8820 7 ROC_int_01 5.8820 Um, 6.4114 8 ROC_int_01 6.4114 (pause 0.70) 7.1072 9 ROC_int_01 7.1072 I just really 8.0338 10 ROC_int_01 8.0338 (pause 0.26) 8.2985 11 ROC_int_01 8.2985 wanna get a sense of different people's experiences growing up here. 11.9907 12 ROC_int_01 11.9907 (pause 0.37) 12.3603 13 ROC_int_01 12.3603 Uh, the questions are 13.4523 14 ROC_int_01 13.4523 (pause 0.18) 13.6320 15 ROC_int_01 13.6320 open ended, 14.4734 16 ROC_int_01 14.4734 (pause 0.33) 14.8044 17 ROC_int_01 14.8044 so feel free to take it wherever you want. I usually start off with questions about where you were born, where you grew up, and then 21.1495 18 ROC_int_01 21.1495 (pause 0.35) 21.4946 19 ROC_int_01 21.4946 move into some more general, 22.8561 20 ROC_int_01 22.8561 (pause 0.19) 23.0452 21 ROC_int_01 23.0452 uh, questions about Rochester 24.8094 22 ROC_int_01 24.8094 (pause 0.54) 25.3483 23 ROC_int_01 25.3483 and 25.9440 24 ROC_int_01 25.9440 (pause 0.11) 26.0574 25 ROC_int_01 26.0574 language. So, 27.1542 26 ROC_int_01 27.1542 (pause 0.37) 27.5277 27 ROC_int_01 27.5277 um, 28.0950 28 ROC_int_01 28.0950 (pause 0.37) 28.4684 29 ROC_int_01 28.4684 yeah 29.0074 30 ROC_int_01 29.0074 (pause 0.13) 29.1397 31 ROC_int_01 29.1397 feel free to- uh, if you need to 31.4854 32 ROC_int_01 31.4854 (pause 0.22) 31.7029 33 ROC_int_01 31.7029 take a break, take a break, 32.8422 34 ROC_int_01 32.8422 (pause 0.36) 33.2062 35 ROC_int_01 33.2062 but also just 34.1996 36 ROC_int_01 34.1996 (pause 0.09) 34.2877 37 ROC_int_01 34.2877 to elaborate in any kind of way you feel. 36.2190 38 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 36.5688 [Okay.] 36.7973 39 ROC_int_01 36.7264 [K?] 36.9612 40 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 37.3812 [Mm-hm.] 37.6365 41 ROC_int_01 37.4686 [Cool.] 37.7594 42 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 37.9508 Cool. 38.1352 43 ROC_int_01 38.3397 So 39.1103 44 ROC_int_01 39.1103 (pause 0.26) 39.3703 45 ROC_int_01 39.3703 like I said, I start off with 40.7649 46 ROC_int_01 40.7649 (pause 0.28) 41.0446 47 ROC_int_01 41.0446 questions of where you were born and where you grew up 43.6542 48 ROC_int_01 43.6542 (pause 0.42) 44.0702 49 ROC_int_01 44.0702 in [Rochester.] 44.9921 50 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 44.2605 [Sh-] 44.4756 51 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 45.0041 should we do that- 45.7440 52 ROC_int_01 46.1694 Oh yeah, so 47.1472 53 ROC_int_01 47.1472 (pause 0.18) 47.3269 54 ROC_int_01 47.3269 [let me-] 47.7636 55 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 47.4451 [] 47.9935 56 ROC_int_01 47.9409 [I] always ask at the beginning and then 49.3692 57 ROC_int_01 49.7426 sometimes I forget and just do it at the end, but [yeah, you're right.] Um, 53.1851 58 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 52.0363 [] 52.5752 59 ROC_int_01 53.3411 do you consent to doing the interview? 55.3597 60 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 55.4637 Yeah. 55.6528 61 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 55.9885 Yes. 56.3997 62 ROC_int_01 56.5132 Okay 56.8441 63 ROC_int_01 56.8441 (pause 0.12) 56.9679 64 ROC_int_01 56.9679 [Great.] 57.2468 65 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 57.0577 [] 57.9228 66 ROC_int_01 57.5352 [] 57.8992 67 ROC_int_01 58.2018 Thank you [for that.] 59.0054 68 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 58.6082 [No doubt.] 59.2358 69 ROC_int_01 59.0817 [] 59.4036 70 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 59.4716 60.0294 71 ROC_int_01 60.1334 Okay, um, 61.0380 72 ROC_int_01 61.0380 (pause 0.45) 61.4918 73 ROC_int_01 61.4918 so, in what part of Rochester were you born? 64.4228 74 ROC_int_01 64.4228 (pause 0.55) 64.9759 75 ROC_int_01 64.9759 And 65.3636 76 ROC_int_01 65.3636 (pause 0.34) 65.7001 77 ROC_int_01 65.7001 what was your neighborhood you grew up in like? 67.8558 78 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 68.4184 Are y- 68.6689 79 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 68.6689 (pause 0.20) 68.8675 80 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 68.8675 well I was born in- 69.8224 81 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 69.8224 (pause 0.13) 69.9501 82 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 69.9501 in nineteen fifty, 71.2218 83 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 71.2218 (pause 0.57) 71.7871 84 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 71.7871 and so I- 72.7090 85 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 72.7090 (pause 0.44) 73.1534 86 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 73.1534 I grew up I- 74.1414 87 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 74.1414 (pause 0.21) 74.3522 88 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 74.3522 my first recollection 75.7326 89 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 75.7326 (pause 0.62) 76.3519 90 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 76.3519 was, uh, 77.0325 91 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 77.0325 (pause 0.09) 77.1265 92 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 77.1265 growing up on the west side. 78.2410 93 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 78.2410 (pause 0.20) 78.4442 94 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 78.4442 I- I don't know. 79.0683 95 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 79.0683 (pause 0.60) 79.6687 96 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 79.6687 Do you know the city? 80.3683 97 ROC_int_01 80.6358 Mm-hm. [Yup.] 81.3166 98 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 81.1248 [I-] 81.2110 99 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 81.5152 I, um- 82.1439 100 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 82.1439 (pause 0.50) 82.6464 101 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 82.6464 my family lived in a house on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street. 85.0291 102 ROC_int_01 86.5663 [Wow.] 87.0663 103 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 86.7566 [Mm.] 86.8961 104 ROC_int_01 87.1555 I'm- I live, uh, 88.6689 105 ROC_int_01 88.6689 (pause 0.29) 88.9584 106 ROC_int_01 88.9584 in Corn Hill, 89.6361 107 ROC_int_01 89.6361 (pause 0.08) 89.7188 108 ROC_int_01 89.7188 so 90.1537 109 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 90.1750 Okay. 90.3995 110 ROC_int_01 90.4397 that's [actually] [really close] [to where I'm-] 92.2665 111 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 90.7495 [/Fine/.] 90.8582 112 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 90.8582 (pause 0.31) 91.1655 113 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 91.1655 [Okay.] 91.3818 114 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 91.3818 (pause 0.30) 91.6791 115 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 91.6791 [Very Close.] 92.2192 116 ROC_int_01 92.3741 92.6553 117 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 92.6589 Right. 92.8622 118 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 92.8622 (pause 0.33) 93.1875 119 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 93.1875 Yeah. 93.3270 120 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 93.3270 (pause 0.29) 93.6130 121 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 93.6130 /?/ 93.6862 122 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 93.6862 (pause 0.22) 93.9013 123 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 93.9013 It's a- 94.3670 124 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 94.3670 (pause 0.36) 94.7239 125 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 94.7239 it's a different neighborhood, 95.7427 126 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 95.7427 (pause 0.64) 96.3790 127 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 96.3790 um, 96.7288 128 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 96.7288 (pause 0.09) 96.8233 129 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 96.8233 now, than it was 97.8114 130 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 97.8114 (pause 0.09) 97.9059 131 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 97.9059 when I grew up. 98.5134 132 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 98.5134 (pause 0.50) 99.0126 133 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 99.0126 Um, 99.3435 134 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 99.3435 (pause 0.57) 99.9132 135 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 99.9132 /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street ran all the way through, 102.0169 136 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 102.9470 [/RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street? 103.5325 137 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 103.1495 [um-] 103.3711 138 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 104.0336 [it-] 104.2093 139 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 104.1541 [Or] 104.3464 140 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 104.2908 [it] [crossed] 105.1406 141 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 104.4425 [no.] 104.6742 142 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 105.2257 /RD-ADDRESS-2/ 105.7652 143 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 105.7652 (pause 0.10) 105.8669 144 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 105.8669 and 106.3372 145 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 106.3372 (pause 0.09) 106.4308 146 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 106.4308 like 106.6388 147 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 106.6388 (pause 0.21) 106.8445 148 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 106.8445 came into, uh, /RD-ADDRESS-3/ 108.3648 149 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 108.3648 (pause 0.52) 108.8801 150 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 108.8801 and came into Corn Hill. 109.9721 151 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 109.9721 (pause 0.49) 110.4607 152 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 110.4607 Wasn't called Corn Hill at that time, but, 112.1484 153 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 112.1484 (pause 0.98) 113.1269 154 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 113.1269 um, 113.4862 155 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 113.4862 (pause 0.78) 114.2615 156 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 114.2615 there was a railroad trestle that- 115.7649 157 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 115.7649 (pause 0.24) 116.0068 158 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 116.0068 that 116.1817 159 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 116.1817 (pause 0.11) 116.2905 160 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 116.2905 went 116.4796 161 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 116.4796 (pause 0.44) 116.9192 162 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 116.9192 through 117.2501 163 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 117.2501 (pause 0.70) 117.9498 164 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 117.9498 the neighborhood. 118.5266 165 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 118.5266 (pause 1.66) 120.1853 166 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 120.1853 So that's my- 120.9890 167 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 120.9890 (pause 0.77) 121.7549 168 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 121.7549 so when I was young, I- I- 123.1483 169 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 123.1483 (pause 0.14) 123.2854 170 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 123.2854 I, uh- 123.8929 171 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 123.8929 (pause 0.07) 123.9591 172 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 123.9591 I s- 124.2470 173 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 124.2470 (pause 0.11) 124.3558 174 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 124.3558 spent time on- 125.1979 175 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 125.1979 (pause 0.25) 125.4437 176 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 125.4437 uh, on /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street, went to Number /RD-SCHOOL-1/ School. 127.7554 177 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 127.7554 (pause 0.91) 128.6687 178 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 128.6687 And, um, 129.4440 179 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 129.4440 (pause 1.85) 131.2924 180 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 131.2924 probably around, 132.3088 181 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 132.3088 (pause 0.87) 133.1834 182 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 133.1834 uh, fifth or sixth grade, 134.4011 183 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 134.4011 (pause 0.53) 134.9306 184 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 134.9306 my family moved over to the east side. 136.6325 185 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 136.6325 (pause 0.19) 136.8272 186 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 136.8272 Um, 137.1723 187 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 137.1723 (pause 0.71) 137.8814 188 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 137.8814 w- um, 138.3683 189 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 138.3683 (pause 0.69) 139.0585 190 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 139.0585 /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street, which is a small street off of /RD-ADRESS-2/. 141.6256 191 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 141.6256 (pause 0.60) 142.2259 192 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 142.2259 And, uh, 142.8122 193 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 142.8122 (pause 1.56) 144.3731 194 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 144.3731 we 144.6283 195 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 144.6283 (pause 0.11) 144.7418 196 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 144.7418 lived there until I started 146.0655 197 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 146.0655 (pause 0.14) 146.2073 198 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 146.2073 high school, 146.7557 199 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 146.7557 (pause 0.34) 147.0914 200 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 147.0914 and, uh, 147.6681 201 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 147.6681 (pause 0.73) 148.3961 202 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 148.3961 we moved to 148.8965 203 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 148.8965 (pause 0.11) 149.0076 204 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 149.0076 /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street, 149.7868 205 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 149.7868 (pause 0.23) 150.0204 206 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 150.0204 and, uh, 150.6114 207 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 150.6114 (pause 0.17) 150.7816 208 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 150.7816 you know, 151.0426 209 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 151.0426 (pause 0.12) 151.1620 210 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 151.1620 then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-1/ High. 151.9225 211 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 153.5622 Wha- is 154.2524 212 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 154.2524 (pause 0.14) 154.3895 213 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 154.3895 /RD-SCHOOL-1/ School what's 155.5382 214 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 155.5382 (pause 0.12) 155.6564 215 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 155.6564 now that school, 156.5736 216 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 156.5736 (pause 0.15) 156.7201 217 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 156.7201 like Nathaniel? 157.2874 218 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 157.6239 Yeah. 157.8083 219 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 157.8083 (pause 0.76) 158.5715 220 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 158.5715 Yeah. 158.7725 221 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 158.7725 (pause 0.22) 158.9946 222 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 158.9946 Yeah. 159.2121 223 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 159.2121 (pause 0.89) 160.0999 224 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 160.0999 Wait, 160.3174 225 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 160.3174 (pause 0.11) 160.4285 226 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 160.4285 no. 160.6247 227 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 160.7807 Three? 161.0029 228 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 161.0879 Nathaniel- 161.6434 229 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 161.6434 (pause 0.48) 162.1190 230 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 162.1190 Nathaniel was, uh- 163.2110 231 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 163.2110 (pause 0.30) 163.5088 232 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 163.5088 isn't that- 163.8539 233 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 163.8539 (pause 2.03) 165.8808 234 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 165.8808 /RD-SCHOOL-1/ School is on 166.8547 235 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 166.8547 (pause 1.30) 168.1556 236 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 168.1556 /RD-ADDRESS-2/ 168.6567 237 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 168.6567 (pause 0.18) 168.8411 238 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 168.8411 /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Way, used to be [/RD-ADDRESS-2/.] 170.5599 239 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 170.0878 [Oh, yup] yup yup. 170.9448 240 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 171.8288 Gotcha. 172.1787 241 ROC_int_01 173.2151 Okay. 173.6264 242 ROC_int_01 173.6264 (pause 0.16) 173.7871 243 ROC_int_01 173.7871 Cool. And you? 174.6752 244 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 174.9231 Um, 175.3112 245 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 175.3112 (pause 0.07) 175.3797 246 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 175.3797 I 176.1901 247 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 176.1901 (pause 0.28) 176.4673 248 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 176.4673 grew up in the nineteenth ward. 177.9612 249 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 177.9612 (pause 0.33) 178.2902 250 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 178.2902 Um, 178.6926 251 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 178.6926 (pause 0.08) 178.7706 252 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 178.7706 and we- so my parents bought their house in nineteen seventy-nine, 182.4926 253 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 182.4926 (pause 0.67) 183.1639 254 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 183.1639 um, 183.4586 255 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 183.4586 (pause 0.07) 183.5248 256 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 183.5248 when they got married, 184.1796 257 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 184.1796 (pause 0.37) 184.5471 258 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 184.5471 and 185.2373 259 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 185.2373 (pause 0.23) 185.4706 260 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 185.4706 kept the house. Uh, so I grew up there my whole life, on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street. 188.0727 261 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 188.0727 (pause 0.07) 188.1471 262 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 188.1471 It's, um, 188.7905 263 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 188.7905 (pause 0.40) 189.1937 264 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 189.1937 almost near where, uh, 190.5127 265 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 190.5127 (pause 0.16) 190.6687 266 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 190.6687 /RD-ADDRESS-3/ Street and /RD-ADDRESS-4/ Boulevard, 192.9103 267 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 192.9103 (pause 0.27) 193.1845 268 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 193.1845 um, meet. 193.7045 269 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 193.7045 (pause 1.01) 194.7162 270 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 194.7162 Um, 195.1086 271 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 195.1086 (pause 0.48) 195.5908 272 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 195.5908 yeah, so 196.0635 273 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 196.0635 (pause 0.18) 196.2432 274 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 196.2432 I 196.9050 275 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 196.9050 (pause 0.26) 197.1650 276 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 197.1650 have- have- had the blessing of, um, 199.1467 277 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 199.1467 (pause 0.38) 199.5249 278 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 199.5249 living in the same house my whole life. 201.1180 279 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 201.1180 (pause 0.55) 201.6712 280 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 201.6712 And I was born in that house by accident, 203.2690 281 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 203.2690 (pause 0.35) 203.6158 282 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 203.6158 um, [b-] 204.5059 283 ROC_int_01 204.3428 [] 204.9196 284 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 204.9312 [That's an interesting] story. [I mean that's-] 206.3274 285 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 204.9702 [It's a fun-] 205.4480 286 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 205.4480 (pause 0.48) 205.9297 287 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 205.9297 [fun story.] 206.6209 288 ROC_int_01 206.3561 [Oh], I'd love to hear [it.] 207.5312 289 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 207.4414 [] 208.3410 290 ROC_int_01 207.9114 [] 208.7789 291 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 208.4096 [Alright] then. 209.0974 292 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 209.5130 Um, so 210.1028 293 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 210.1028 (pause 0.27) 210.3758 294 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 210.3758 I'm the youngest. I have two, uh- an older brother and an older sister. Um, so, 214.2952 295 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 214.2952 (pause 0.11) 214.4033 296 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 214.4033 you know, it wasn't- 215.0778 297 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 215.0778 (pause 0.19) 215.2723 298 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 215.2723 wasn't like my mom was inexperienced. When I tell this story, everybody thinks like, oh is it one of those she didn't know she was pregnant? 220.4529 299 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 220.4529 (pause 0.29) 220.7468 300 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 220.7468 She knew she was pregnant. She knew what to do. She just didn't do it. Um, 223.6211 301 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 223.6211 (pause 0.30) 223.9189 302 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 223.9189 she woke up, 224.4295 303 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 224.4295 (pause 0.21) 224.6422 304 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 224.6422 uh, Christmas Eve 225.6728 305 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 225.6728 (pause 0.16) 225.8288 306 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 225.8288 and, um, 226.6798 307 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 226.6798 (pause 0.53) 227.2054 308 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 227.2054 pretty much she felt like, 228.1970 309 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 228.1970 (pause 0.11) 228.3033 310 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 228.3033 uh, 228.6301 311 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 228.6301 (pause 0.08) 228.7057 312 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 228.7057 you know, 228.9244 313 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 228.9244 (pause 0.09) 229.0189 314 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 229.0189 labor 229.4793 315 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 229.4793 (pause 0.17) 229.6542 316 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 229.6542 coming on. She- it wasn't clear at first, and then she kind of realized like, yeah that's what's- that's what's happening. So, 233.9623 317 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 233.9623 (pause 0.45) 234.4170 318 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 234.4170 um, you know, he was getting the car ready f- um, 236.7902 319 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 236.7902 (pause 0.07) 236.8558 320 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 236.8558 you know, it's winter, he's warming up the car and getting it ready, um, 239.3619 321 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 239.3619 (pause 0.21) 239.5727 322 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 239.5727 going to Strong, so very close. 241.0808 323 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 241.0808 (pause 0.63) 241.7095 324 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 241.7095 And she comes downstairs, and she's like, 243.7195 325 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 243.7195 (pause 0.08) 243.7991 326 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 243.7991 I, uh- 244.4397 327 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 244.4397 (pause 0.10) 244.5378 328 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 244.5378 I just gotta use the bathroom. 245.6389 329 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 245.6389 (pause 0.17) 245.8103 330 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 245.8103 And he's like, no, like don't, you- don't. We can't have the baby here. Like, come on let's just get in the car. 250.0891 331 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 250.0891 (pause 0.46) 250.5441 332 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 250.5441 And she always- you know, she knows what's best. So 252.5021 333 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 252.5021 (pause 0.56) 253.0599 334 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 253.0599 she did go to the bathroom, 254.7092 335 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 254.7092 (pause 0.08) 254.7884 336 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 254.7884 and then she kind of got stuck in like a hovered 257.5038 337 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 257.5038 (pause 0.29) 257.7969 338 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 257.7969 position over the toilet. 258.9228 339 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 258.9228 (pause 1.06) 259.9865 340 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 259.9865 And, um, 260.8469 341 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 260.8469 (pause 0.13) 260.9746 342 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 260.9746 she- yeah, she just was kind of locked in in that position. 262.8986 343 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 262.8986 (pause 0.73) 263.6267 344 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 263.6267 And, uh, 264.5541 345 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 264.5541 (pause 0.52) 265.0694 346 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 265.0694 I ended up 265.7679 347 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 265.7679 (pause 0.08) 265.8482 348 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 265.8482 coming out f- 266.6105 349 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 266.6105 (pause 0.10) 266.7079 350 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 266.7079 um, he tried to 267.6837 351 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 267.6837 (pause 0.22) 267.9059 352 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 267.9059 catch me, um, 268.9601 353 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 268.9601 (pause 0.46) 269.4250 354 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 269.4250 and 269.7748 355 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 269.7748 (pause 0.30) 270.0774 356 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 270.0774 I was slippery as a greased pig. 271.6040 357 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 271.6040 (pause 0.24) 271.8472 358 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 271.8472 [And, uh], 272.3785 359 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 271.9512 [] 272.7039 360 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 272.4983 [] 273.6849 361 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 273.3185 [Yeah, right.] That's what I say all the time, and it's like, [yeah.] 275.5479 362 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 275.4386 [] 276.2281 363 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 276.0041 [I-] 276.0963 364 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 276.2759 I didn't expect- I didn't know what to expect, a [baby-] 278.6998 365 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 278.2081 [Yeah.] 278.5556 366 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 279.1761 baby coming out and- 280.0619 367 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 280.0619 (pause 0.53) 280.5922 368 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 280.5922 and I 280.8853 369 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 280.8853 (pause 1.21) 282.0961 370 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 282.0961 lost her for a [second.] (laughing) 283.1422 371 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 282.9579 [ And dropped] me in the toilet. 284.9434 372 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 283.2321 [] 283.9601 373 ROC_int_01 283.4421 [] 284.2818 374 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 285.2245 [] 285.6807 375 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 285.6413 [Um], 286.0172 376 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 286.1401 and so then, I guess 287.2369 377 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 287.2369 (pause 0.17) 287.4047 378 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 287.4047 he also 288.0358 379 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 288.0358 (pause 1.07) 289.1078 380 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 289.1078 he tried to make it a little bit more convenient and lifted the toilet seat 291.7702 381 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 291.7702 (pause 0.55) 292.3221 382 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 292.3221 to get me out, but 293.2156 383 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 293.2156 (pause 0.61) 293.8262 384 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 293.8262 /I'm/ still attached. [] 296.6739 385 ROC_int_01 295.8529 [Right.] 296.1252 386 ROC_int_01 296.7121 Right. 296.9961 387 ROC_int_01 296.9961 (pause 0.23) 297.2221 388 ROC_int_01 297.2221 [] 298.0849 389 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 297.4943 [] 297.8938 390 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 298.5328 Yeah, so, um, so yeah. It's- that's awesome too, like, 301.4716 391 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 301.4716 (pause 0.14) 301.6072 392 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 301.6072 you know, 301.9141 393 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 301.9141 (pause 0.47) 302.3856 394 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 302.3856 still having the- uh, you know, my sister and her son now live in that house, and still having the house that I was born in 307.2622 395 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 307.2622 (pause 0.65) 307.9139 396 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 307.9139 and 308.2566 397 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 308.2566 (pause 0.15) 308.4036 398 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 308.4036 a really ridiculous story like that. [] 310.7366 399 ROC_int_01 310.5420 [Yeah.] 310.9202 400 ROC_int_01 311.1377 Definitely. 311.9177 401 ROC_int_01 311.9177 (pause 0.38) 312.2959 402 ROC_int_01 312.2959 Um, 312.7119 403 ROC_int_01 312.7119 (pause 0.45) 313.1610 404 ROC_int_01 313.1610 so I have a question about both of your respective neighborhoods you grew up [in.] 317.3929 405 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 317.2842 [Mm-hm.] 317.7049 406 ROC_int_01 317.8420 Um, but w- 318.8490 407 ROC_int_01 318.8490 (pause 0.17) 319.0192 408 ROC_int_01 319.0192 first for, um, 320.2389 409 ROC_int_01 320.2389 (pause 0.87) 321.1040 410 ROC_int_01 321.1040 I guess, old school Corn Hill before it was [Corn Hill, /RD-ADDRESS-1/] Street, 325.0015 411 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 324.0075 [Yeah.] 324.3573 412 ROC_int_01 325.2914 uh, what 325.7776 413 ROC_int_01 325.7776 (pause 0.13) 325.9111 414 ROC_int_01 325.9111 brought your parents to that [part of] the city? 328.0948 415 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 327.4348 [It-] 327.6475 416 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 328.2036 yeah. 328.5061 417 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 328.5061 (pause 0.81) 329.3185 418 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 329.3185 Well, I, uh- 330.0891 419 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 330.0891 (pause 0.87) 330.9613 420 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 330.9613 I, um- 331.5191 421 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 331.5191 (pause 0.32) 331.8359 422 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 331.8359 I only in the last 333.0820 423 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 333.0820 (pause 0.47) 333.5512 424 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 333.5512 ten or fifteen years- 334.9363 425 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 334.9363 (pause 1.00) 335.9338 426 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 335.9338 I always thought that I was born over on the west side. 338.4563 427 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 338.4563 (pause 0.61) 339.0709 428 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 339.0709 Um, 339.3498 429 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 339.3498 (pause 1.23) 340.5751 430 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 340.5751 um, 340.9296 431 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 340.9296 (pause 0.62) 341.5537 432 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 341.5537 there was an apartment- 342.3195 433 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 342.3195 (pause 1.70) 344.0214 434 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 344.0214 well I- I guess a housing tract 345.4775 435 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 345.4775 (pause 0.53) 346.0117 436 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 346.0117 over on West Main Street now over by King Street, 348.4046 437 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 348.4046 (pause 1.47) 349.8749 438 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 349.8749 and before it was 350.7589 439 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 350.7589 (pause 0.67) 351.4255 440 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 351.4255 a housing tract, 352.4135 441 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 352.4135 (pause 0.97) 353.3788 442 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 353.3788 way way way 354.6835 443 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 354.6835 (pause 0.13) 354.8112 444 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 354.8112 back 355.2042 445 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 355.2042 (pause 0.10) 355.3011 446 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 355.3011 in the day, there was a hospital on that property. 357.5247 447 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 357.5247 (pause 0.29) 357.8131 448 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 357.8131 Um, and I- 358.5932 449 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 358.5932 (pause 1.03) 359.6199 450 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 359.6199 it was 360.0548 451 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 360.0548 (pause 0.26) 360.3101 452 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 360.3101 genes- um, General Hospital. 361.9127 453 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 361.9127 (pause 0.24) 362.1491 454 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 362.1491 And I thought I was born in that hospital because it was like, 365.0620 455 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 365.0620 (pause 0.50) 365.5584 456 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 365.5584 so close, and then 366.5181 457 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 366.5181 (pause 0.85) 367.3643 458 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 367.3643 fifteen years ago, I- 368.5083 459 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 368.5083 (pause 0.33) 368.8345 460 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 368.8345 I, uh- 369.3687 461 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 369.3687 (pause 0.61) 369.9786 462 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 369.9786 I asked for a long version of my birth certificate. And I found out that 373.9410 463 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 373.9410 (pause 0.61) 374.5556 464 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 374.5556 I wasn't- I 375.2374 465 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 375.2374 (pause 0.11) 375.3508 466 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 375.3508 hadn't been born over there, that I w- 376.8969 467 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 376.8969 (pause 0.11) 377.0045 468 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 377.0045 I was 377.2917 469 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 377.2917 (pause 0.08) 377.3732 470 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 377.3732 born at the General Hospital over on Portland. 379.6560 471 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 379.6560 (pause 0.46) 380.1146 472 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 380.1146 My- 380.4321 473 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 380.4321 (pause 0.17) 380.5976 474 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 380.5976 and my parents lived on 382.0537 475 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 382.0537 (pause 0.28) 382.3373 476 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 382.3373 Nassau 382.9566 477 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 382.9566 (pause 0.35) 383.3112 478 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 383.3112 over on the, um, 384.3985 479 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 384.3985 (pause 2.99) 387.3843 480 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 387.3843 north east side. 388.1884 481 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 388.1884 (pause 0.51) 388.6986 482 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 388.6986 And, uh, 389.2989 483 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 389.2989 (pause 1.08) 390.3824 484 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 390.3824 I don't know. I really- 391.3515 485 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 391.3515 (pause 0.31) 391.6588 486 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 391.6588 I do- I don't know. 392.4483 487 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 392.4483 (pause 0.25) 392.6941 488 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 392.6941 I don't know where- 393.3087 489 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 393.3087 (pause 0.16) 393.4694 490 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 393.4694 what 393.6727 491 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 393.6727 (pause 0.20) 393.8760 492 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 393.8760 led to their moving from Nassau over to, uh- 396.5403 493 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 396.5403 (pause 0.65) 397.1880 494 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 397.1880 over to /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street. 398.2044 495 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 398.2044 (pause 0.64) 398.8442 496 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 398.8442 Um, 399.2271 497 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 399.2271 (pause 0.65) 399.8748 498 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 399.8748 but, 400.0970 499 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 400.0970 (pause 0.25) 400.3507 500 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 400.3507 yeah, 400.5150 501 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 400.5150 (pause 0.21) 400.7201 502 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 400.7201 that's my- 400.9553 503 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 400.9553 (pause 0.33) 401.2822 504 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 401.2822 I don't know. 401.5552 505 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 402.1397 And some- some more background too, 403.7484 506 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 403.7484 (pause 0.08) 403.8264 507 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 403.8264 um, 404.3653 508 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 404.3653 (pause 0.32) 404.6816 509 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 404.6816 he is number eight of ten [kids.] 406.7522 510 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 406.5624 [Ten] kids. 407.1675 511 ROC_int_01 407.3802 Wow. 407.8230 512 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 407.8384 Um, 408.3466 513 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 408.3466 (pause 0.83) 409.1816 514 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 409.1816 and 409.7583 515 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 409.7583 (pause 0.15) 409.9089 516 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 409.9089 I had a question 410.7111 517 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 410.7111 (pause 0.09) 410.8026 518 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 410.8026 cause 411.1971 519 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 411.1971 (pause 0.66) 411.8601 520 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 411.8601 I've like 412.2710 521 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 412.2710 (pause 0.10) 412.3715 522 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 412.3715 looked more into like, 413.5526 523 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 413.5526 (pause 0.40) 413.9511 524 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 413.9511 you know, 414.2347 525 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 414.2347 (pause 0.14) 414.3718 526 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 414.3718 Corn Hill before it was Corn Hill. 415.8846 527 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 415.8846 (pause 0.44) 416.3204 528 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 416.3204 And it was b- super black. 417.3699 529 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 417.5826 Yeah. 417.7717 530 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 418.0412 Um, 418.4808 531 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 418.4808 (pause 0.32) 418.7976 532 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 418.7976 [and-] 419.1994 533 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 418.8549 [Well], 419.1397 534 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 419.6201 yeah it- 420.0978 535 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 420.0978 (pause 0.14) 420.2420 536 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 420.2420 yeah 420.4737 537 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 420.4737 (pause 0.13) 420.6037 538 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 420.6037 it was 421.1707 539 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 421.1707 (pause 0.47) 421.6451 540 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 421.6451 an- 421.8011 541 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 421.8011 (pause 0.13) 421.9335 542 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 421.9335 and- 422.2360 543 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 422.2360 (pause 0.24) 422.4748 544 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 422.4748 a- 422.6591 545 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 422.6591 (pause 0.13) 422.7868 546 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 422.7868 and 423.1673 547 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 423.1673 (pause 1.00) 424.1721 548 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 424.1721 a- a mixture of black and Italian families, uh, in the neighb- in the neighborhood [back-] 428.1913 549 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 428.1393 [Mm-hm.] 428.4230 550 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 428.5601 back then. 429.0186 551 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 429.0186 (pause 0.81) 429.8318 552 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 429.8318 Um, 430.1769 553 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 430.1769 (pause 0.78) 430.9522 554 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 430.9522 um, 431.3162 555 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 431.3162 (pause 1.70) 433.0209 556 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 433.0209 I- I remember, 434.0798 557 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 434.0798 (pause 0.92) 434.9997 558 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 434.9997 you know, know spending time as a- as a 436.6922 559 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 436.6922 (pause 1.32) 438.0111 560 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 438.0111 boy, 438.4130 561 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 438.4130 (pause 0.64) 439.0520 562 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 439.0520 h- the- there was a- 440.0211 563 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 440.0211 (pause 0.62) 440.6404 564 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 440.6404 there was a store 441.6001 565 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 441.6001 (pause 0.13) 441.7278 566 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 441.7278 like maybe five houses down 443.3824 567 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 443.3824 (pause 1.03) 444.4157 568 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 444.4157 where our house was and, 445.6496 569 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 445.6496 (pause 0.72) 446.3682 570 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 446.3682 um, 446.7889 571 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 446.7889 (pause 0.95) 447.7353 572 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 447.7353 all the- all they sold 448.6965 573 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 448.6965 (pause 0.12) 448.8135 574 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 448.8135 were 448.9455 575 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 448.9455 (pause 0.16) 449.1062 576 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 449.1062 chickens. 449.6641 577 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 449.6641 (pause 0.21) 449.8768 578 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 449.8768 And I- I remembered, 450.8743 579 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 450.8743 (pause 0.86) 451.7380 580 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 451.7380 you know, my brother and I would like, 453.3856 581 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 453.3856 (pause 0.08) 453.4660 582 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 453.4660 uh- 453.6440 583 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 453.6440 (pause 0.17) 453.8095 584 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 453.8095 would like s- e- 454.4146 585 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 454.4146 (pause 0.12) 454.5328 586 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 454.5328 like on s- on weekends we'd 455.8788 587 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 455.8788 (pause 0.25) 456.1246 588 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 456.1246 we'd like just hang out. 457.2558 589 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 457.2558 (pause 0.86) 458.1110 590 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 458.1110 We'd watch him slaughter chickens. We'd watch him 460.4717 591 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 460.4717 (pause 0.09) 460.5609 592 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 460.5609 pluck 'em and 461.4580 593 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 461.4580 (pause 0.64) 462.1023 594 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 462.1023 dress 'em. 462.7453 595 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 462.7453 (pause 0.83) 463.5726 596 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 463.5726 Um, 463.9035 597 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 463.9035 (pause 0.15) 464.0556 598 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 464.0556 every now and then he would just like snatch a 466.0128 599 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 466.0128 (pause 0.13) 466.1404 600 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 466.1404 chicken out of a cage and 467.3223 601 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 467.3223 (pause 1.32) 468.6460 602 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 468.6460 slaughter it, 469.2889 603 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 469.2889 (pause 0.34) 469.6254 604 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 469.6254 dress it, 470.1218 605 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 470.1218 (pause 0.85) 470.9680 606 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 470.9680 cut it up, and 471.6421 607 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 471.6421 (pause 0.15) 471.7910 608 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 471.7910 cook it. And 472.5092 609 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 472.5092 (pause 0.14) 472.6524 610 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 472.6524 we would like sit there, and [we would eat.] 474.4205 611 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 474.0121 [//] 474.3903 612 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 474.6616 And, uh, 475.1958 613 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 475.1958 (pause 1.23) 476.4296 614 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 476.4296 um- 476.7795 615 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 476.7795 (pause 0.68) 477.4611 616 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 477.4611 and- and so the- 478.5720 617 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 478.5720 (pause 1.11) 479.6830 618 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 479.6830 I d- I don't ever recall- 481.4605 619 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 481.4605 (pause 1.06) 482.5195 620 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 482.5195 I don't ever recall 483.7486 621 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 483.7486 (pause 0.24) 483.9858 622 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 483.9858 any situations where there were like 485.9052 623 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 485.9052 (pause 0.20) 486.1037 624 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 486.1037 any kinds of 486.8507 625 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 486.8507 (pause 0.16) 487.0067 626 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 487.0067 racial tensions, 488.3587 627 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 488.3587 (pause 0.25) 488.6046 628 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 488.6046 um, 488.8929 629 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 488.8929 (pause 0.74) 489.6373 630 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 489.6373 um, 489.9047 631 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 489.9047 (pause 0.11) 490.0110 632 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 490.0110 even though the- 490.6823 633 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 490.6823 (pause 0.13) 490.8100 634 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 490.8100 the neighborhood was mixed. 491.9652 635 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 491.9652 (pause 0.72) 492.6838 636 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 492.6838 Um, 493.0242 637 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 493.0242 (pause 0.66) 493.6813 638 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 493.6813 it was b- 494.0170 639 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 494.0170 (pause 0.21) 494.2305 640 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 494.2305 it was back at a time when, 495.7859 641 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 495.7859 (pause 2.23) 498.0172 642 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 498.0172 um, 498.4474 643 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 498.4474 (pause 1.35) 499.7995 644 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 499.7995 you know, 500.0217 645 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 500.0217 (pause 1.20) 501.2233 646 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 501.2233 like 501.3793 647 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 501.3793 (pause 0.63) 502.0081 648 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 502.0081 gangsters, 502.5470 649 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 502.5470 (pause 0.08) 502.6220 650 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 502.6220 mafia 503.0912 651 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 503.0912 (pause 0.16) 503.2520 652 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 503.2520 people 503.6369 653 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 503.6369 (pause 0.14) 503.7763 654 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 503.7763 like were in the n- were in the neighborhood at that time, and- 506.1771 655 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 506.1771 (pause 1.02) 507.1983 656 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 507.1983 a- and still 507.8146 657 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 507.8146 (pause 0.13) 507.9482 658 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 507.9482 I d- I don't recall 508.9524 659 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 508.9524 (pause 0.09) 509.0375 660 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 509.0375 like- 509.3256 661 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 509.3256 (pause 0.24) 509.5669 662 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 509.5669 like 509.7915 663 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 509.7915 (pause 0.15) 509.9451 664 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 509.9451 ever 510.3706 665 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 510.3706 (pause 0.97) 511.3409 666 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 511.3409 like, 511.5442 667 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 511.5442 (pause 0.21) 511.7578 668 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 511.7578 you know, 512.0982 669 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 512.0982 (pause 0.20) 512.3014 670 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 512.3014 experiencing any- 513.4211 671 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 513.4211 (pause 0.17) 513.5924 672 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 513.5924 any kind of 514.3295 673 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 514.3295 (pause 1.21) 515.5384 674 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 515.5384 racial 516.0253 675 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 516.0253 (pause 0.45) 516.4753 676 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 516.4753 backlash, uh, of any kind. We, you know, 518.6215 677 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 518.6215 (pause 0.69) 519.3117 678 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 519.3117 u- 519.4819 679 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 519.4819 (pause 0.17) 519.6474 680 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 519.6474 though 519.9972 681 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 519.9972 (pause 0.69) 520.6827 682 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 520.6827 I- I didn't- 521.2736 683 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 521.2736 (pause 1.21) 522.4867 684 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 522.4867 m- most of the 523.3801 685 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 523.3801 (pause 0.19) 523.5692 686 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 523.5692 Italian families were older 525.0442 687 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 525.0442 (pause 0.82) 525.8629 688 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 525.8629 people, 526.2884 689 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 526.2884 (pause 0.47) 526.7611 690 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 526.7611 and I don't remember 527.7350 691 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 527.7350 (pause 1.69) 529.4274 692 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 529.4274 playing with- 530.0562 693 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 530.0562 (pause 0.33) 530.3871 694 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 530.3871 with 530.6046 695 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 530.6046 (pause 0.14) 530.7464 696 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 530.7464 white kids. I mean, we, you know, 532.0520 697 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 532.0520 (pause 0.16) 532.2127 698 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 532.2127 I- 532.3829 699 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 532.3829 (pause 0.33) 532.7091 700 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 532.7091 I had 533.1110 701 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 533.1110 (pause 0.13) 533.2386 702 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 533.2386 like a 533.5364 703 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 533.5364 (pause 0.21) 533.7492 704 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 533.7492 crew of my own I could like 535.2572 705 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 535.2572 (pause 0.65) 535.9049 706 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 535.9049 hang out with and, 536.6741 707 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 536.6741 (pause 0.10) 536.7781 708 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 536.7781 you know, like- 537.1955 709 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 537.1955 (pause 0.76) 537.9547 710 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 537.9547 you know, like my brothers and sisters, we always played together. And there were other 541.2316 711 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 541.2316 (pause 0.17) 541.4018 712 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 541.4018 like 541.5842 713 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 541.5842 (pause 0.07) 541.6563 714 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 541.6563 kids in the neighborhood, 542.6121 715 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 542.6121 (pause 0.93) 543.5420 716 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 543.5420 but, 543.6696 717 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 543.6696 (pause 0.72) 544.3929 718 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 544.3929 yeah, 544.5915 719 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 544.5915 (pause 0.33) 544.9177 720 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 544.9177 I don't know. 545.2486 721 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 545.2486 (pause 0.59) 545.8408 722 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 545.8408 Yeah. 545.9779 723 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 546.7892 Um, 547.1958 724 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 547.1958 (pause 0.93) 548.1271 725 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 548.1271 m- 548.2405 726 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 548.2405 (pause 0.12) 548.3587 727 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 548.3587 Char- Doctor Lunsford, I 549.5645 728 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 549.5645 (pause 0.06) 549.6247 729 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 549.6247 I guess that's where I got like my kind of 551.3237 730 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 551.3237 (pause 0.23) 551.5553 731 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 551.5553 basis. I was looking up information about 553.3749 732 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 553.3749 (pause 0.08) 553.4506 733 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 553.4506 him. And, 553.8576 734 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 553.8576 (pause 0.61) 554.4675 735 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 554.4675 um, 554.9118 736 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 554.9118 (pause 0.52) 555.4327 737 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 555.4327 you know, there were like black 556.5673 738 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 556.5673 (pause 0.36) 556.9266 739 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 556.9266 doctors, dentists, [you know], like those [very] 559.0335 740 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 558.0103 [Mm-hm.] 558.2076 741 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 558.2076 (pause 0.51) 558.7184 742 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 558.7184 [Mm-hm.] 558.9701 743 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 559.1446 self 559.7266 744 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 559.7266 (pause 0.35) 560.0717 745 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 560.0717 [sufficient.] 560.7621 746 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 560.1499 [Mm-hm.] 560.4016 747 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 560.4016 (pause 0.24) 560.6391 748 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 560.6391 [Yeah.] 560.7408 749 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 560.9141 Yeah, 561.1009 750 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 561.1009 (pause 0.06) 561.1623 751 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 561.1623 black businesses, 562.0180 752 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 562.0180 (pause 0.48) 562.4931 753 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 562.4931 black-owned businesses. I, you know- recently I 564.4176 754 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 564.4176 (pause 2.39) 566.8078 755 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 566.8078 I- I- I heard the story about, uh, you know, 568.9800 756 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 568.9800 (pause 0.12) 569.0982 757 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 569.0982 b- 569.2661 758 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 569.2661 (pause 0.12) 569.3870 759 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 569.3870 before, 569.9118 760 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 569.9118 (pause 2.01) 571.9257 761 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 571.9257 um, 572.2661 762 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 572.2661 (pause 0.65) 572.9189 763 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 572.9189 desegregation, 574.0109 764 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 574.0109 (pause 0.90) 574.9068 765 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 574.9068 that there were like 575.7629 766 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 575.7629 (pause 0.29) 576.0489 767 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 576.0489 many more black businesses [and, uh], b- like, uh, flourishing 579.2994 768 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 577.8311 [Mm.] 578.1101 769 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 580.0558 black 580.3915 770 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 580.3915 (pause 1.14) 581.5359 771 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 581.5359 community, business community, and 583.4122 772 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 583.4122 (pause 0.18) 583.5971 773 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 583.5971 um, 583.8690 774 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 583.8690 (pause 0.97) 584.8409 775 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 584.8409 and- 585.0040 776 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 585.0040 (pause 0.10) 585.1080 777 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 585.1080 and now that we've like, 586.5451 778 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 586.5451 (pause 0.08) 586.6255 779 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 586.6255 you know, everybody's, 587.5143 780 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 587.5143 (pause 0.77) 588.2836 781 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 588.2836 you know, sort of come together, 589.8200 782 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 589.8200 (pause 0.71) 590.5308 783 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 590.5308 like 590.6726 784 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 590.6726 (pause 0.45) 591.1198 785 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 591.1198 black businesses have really just kind of- 592.9540 786 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 592.9540 (pause 0.30) 593.2590 787 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 593.2590 they're- 593.4670 788 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 593.4670 (pause 0.20) 593.6636 789 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 593.6636 they've gone away. They've disappeared. 595.0298 790 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 595.0298 (pause 1.30) 596.3299 791 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 596.3299 But it- 596.5166 792 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 596.5166 (pause 0.12) 596.6399 793 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 596.6399 but yeah. 597.1269 794 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 597.1269 (pause 0.12) 597.2474 795 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 597.2474 I r- 597.4342 796 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 597.4342 (pause 0.14) 597.5736 797 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 597.5736 you know, 597.8715 798 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 597.8715 (pause 0.14) 598.0156 799 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 598.0156 I had- 598.3206 800 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 598.3206 (pause 0.50) 598.8169 801 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 598.8169 had some relatives, um, 600.0394 802 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 600.0394 (pause 1.10) 601.1386 803 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 601.1386 there's a 601.6633 804 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 601.6633 (pause 0.40) 602.0604 805 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 602.0604 healthcare center on 603.3443 806 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 603.3443 (pause 0.54) 603.8809 807 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 603.8809 Hudson. 604.4128 808 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 604.4128 (pause 1.21) 605.6258 809 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 605.6258 [Doctor] 607.0038 810 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 606.5500 [/RD-NAME-2/?] 606.9400 811 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 608.1928 /RD-NAME-2/? 608.5048 812 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 608.7534 /RD-NAME-2/, 609.0252 813 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 609.0252 (pause 0.17) 609.1907 814 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 609.1907 yeah. 609.4082 815 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 609.4082 (pause 0.18) 609.5854 816 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 609.5854 He lived right down the street from us. 610.8926 817 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 611.0415 Mm. 611.2519 818 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 612.4917 Thanks. 612.8179 819 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 612.8179 (pause 0.22) 613.0346 820 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 613.0346 Thanks for that. 613.4340 821 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 613.6491 614.3299 822 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 615.2269 Yeah. 615.4491 823 ROC_int_01 616.7642 Yeah. 617.0289 824 ROC_int_01 617.0289 (pause 0.17) 617.2038 825 ROC_int_01 617.2038 Okay, cool. Um, 618.6741 826 ROC_int_01 618.6741 (pause 0.43) 619.1090 827 ROC_int_01 619.1090 I just wanted to build on that. So you think that maybe integration sort of had something to do with the 625.3028 828 ROC_int_01 625.3028 (pause 0.25) 625.5564 829 ROC_int_01 625.5564 625.6440 830 ROC_int_01 625.6440 (pause 0.46) 626.1018 831 ROC_int_01 626.1018 /redistrubi-/ 627.1381 832 ROC_int_01 627.1381 (pause 0.07) 627.2078 833 ROC_int_01 627.2078 re- 627.5447 834 ROC_int_01 627.5447 (pause 0.19) 627.7361 835 ROC_int_01 627.7361 redistribution of people I guess into 630.1938 836 ROC_int_01 630.1938 (pause 0.95) 631.1393 837 ROC_int_01 631.1393 different neighborhoods? Because now Corn Hill is mostly white, 634.6243 838 ROC_int_01 634.6243 (pause 0.52) 635.1443 839 ROC_int_01 635.1443 and I think in general, um, 637.3529 840 ROC_int_01 637.3529 (pause 0.36) 637.7122 841 ROC_int_01 637.7122 you don't have as many 639.5671 842 ROC_int_01 639.5671 (pause 0.10) 639.6664 843 ROC_int_01 639.6664 mixed areas of 641.3996 844 ROC_int_01 641.3996 (pause 0.18) 641.5793 845 ROC_int_01 641.5793 Rochester 642.3497 846 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 642.3863 [Yeah.] 642.5659 847 ROC_int_01 642.5057 [in] the city, 643.1771 848 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 643.6621 Yeah. 643.8890 849 ROC_int_01 644.2675 [so], 644.6441 850 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 644.5411 [Well-] 644.7491 851 ROC_int_01 644.7928 yeah. 644.9630 852 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 645.6857 well, I mean, 646.2500 853 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 646.2500 (pause 0.29) 646.5394 854 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 646.5394 uh, you know- I mean, 647.3785 855 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 647.3785 (pause 1.11) 648.4895 856 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 648.4895 what's now called 649.3172 857 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 649.3172 (pause 0.29) 649.6080 858 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 649.6080 Corn Hill was like- 650.7355 859 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 650.7355 (pause 0.31) 651.0475 860 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 651.0475 in- in my opinion, was basically stolen from the black community. 654.1018 861 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 654.1018 (pause 0.60) 654.7058 862 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 654.7058 Right, and- and, 655.7080 863 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 655.7080 (pause 0.51) 656.2138 864 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 656.2138 you know, they- 656.6250 865 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 656.6250 (pause 0.18) 656.8034 866 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 656.8034 they bought properties on the cheap, and then they- and then they, 659.9953 867 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 659.9953 (pause 0.26) 660.2600 868 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 660.2600 you know, 660.6098 869 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 660.6098 (pause 1.00) 661.6082 870 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 661.6082 rehabbed 'em or 662.5159 871 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 662.5159 (pause 0.12) 662.6340 872 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 662.6340 rebuilt 663.4283 873 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 663.4283 (pause 0.58) 664.0050 874 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 664.0050 and, you know, and made it this- 665.7825 875 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 665.7825 (pause 0.68) 666.4586 876 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 666.4586 you know, this 667.0495 877 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 667.0495 (pause 0.93) 667.9816 878 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 667.9816 great 668.4544 879 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 668.4544 (pause 0.29) 668.7428 880 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 668.7428 bastion of like rich white people. 670.7992 881 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 670.7992 (pause 0.89) 671.6927 882 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 671.6927 And, um, 672.3924 883 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 672.3924 (pause 3.17) 675.5654 884 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 675.5654 yeah, I d- so I- I- I- I, uh- 677.6123 885 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 677.6123 (pause 1.56) 679.1771 886 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 679.1771 I don't- 679.4750 887 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 679.4750 (pause 0.19) 679.6602 888 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 679.6602 I don't know if 680.4449 889 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 680.4449 (pause 0.18) 680.6246 890 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 680.6246 integration- 681.6268 891 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 681.6268 (pause 0.56) 682.1846 892 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 682.1846 you- you asked if integration is the cause of it, or 684.8037 893 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 684.8037 (pause 0.28) 685.0834 894 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 685.0834 or i- is- is the reason why 686.8580 895 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 686.8580 (pause 2.00) 688.8577 896 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 688.8577 neighborhoods are- or communities are 690.6834 897 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 690.6834 (pause 0.15) 690.8299 898 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 690.8299 isolated. Is that wha- 691.7831 899 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 691.7831 (pause 0.19) 691.9722 900 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 691.9722 is that what you're [asking], 692.8214 901 ROC_int_01 692.5826 [Well], [the- that] they've changed, right, from the time 695.4887 902 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 692.9959 [or-] 693.1472 903 ROC_int_01 695.5832 that you grew up in it to what it looks [like] [now. What] kind of- what things have been happening such [that-] 701.3541 904 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 697.7039 [Yeah.] 697.8706 905 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 697.8706 (pause 0.39) 698.2559 906 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 698.2559 [Oh yeah.] 698.5844 907 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 698.5844 (pause 2.49) 701.0739 908 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 701.0739 [Yeah], 701.2748 909 ROC_int_01 701.7209 yeah. 702.0897 910 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 702.5199 Yeah. 702.7326 911 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 702.7326 (pause 0.83) 703.5646 912 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 703.5646 Well, you know, I- you know I- I- 705.0672 913 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 705.0672 (pause 0.16) 705.2279 914 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 705.2279 I think 705.7259 915 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 705.7259 (pause 0.95) 706.6714 916 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 706.6714 that someone- 707.5886 917 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 707.5886 (pause 0.28) 707.8675 918 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 707.8675 someone apparently back 709.0210 919 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 709.0210 (pause 0.77) 709.7868 920 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 709.7868 in the sixties was somewhat 711.1350 921 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 711.1350 (pause 0.28) 711.4139 922 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 711.4139 forward 711.9812 923 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 711.9812 (pause 0.17) 712.1561 924 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 712.1561 looking 712.7140 925 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 712.7140 (pause 0.56) 713.2718 926 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 713.2718 to the degree that they were able to 715.4701 927 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 715.4701 (pause 0.96) 716.4298 928 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 716.4298 map out 717.2295 929 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 717.2295 (pause 0.18) 717.4139 930 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 717.4139 like a neighborhood that 718.4575 931 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 718.4575 (pause 0.10) 718.5544 932 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 718.5544 would be close to the center of the city, 720.8177 933 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 720.8177 (pause 0.55) 721.3661 934 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 721.3661 and- 721.5883 935 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 721.5883 (pause 0.15) 721.7348 936 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 721.7348 you know, and- you know like an easy walk or an easy bike ride, 724.7348 937 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 724.7348 (pause 1.26) 725.9979 938 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 725.9979 you know, to 726.6928 939 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 726.6928 (pause 0.11) 726.8055 940 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 726.8055 downtown 727.4492 941 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 727.4492 (pause 0.28) 727.7282 942 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 727.7282 work, and, 728.4550 943 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 728.4550 (pause 0.10) 728.5543 944 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 728.5543 you know, businesses, and- 729.8839 945 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 729.8839 (pause 0.11) 729.9973 946 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 729.9973 and government offices, and /they/ bought up a bunch of property. And, 733.4323 947 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 733.4323 (pause 0.75) 734.1867 948 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 734.1867 y- you know, it- I don't know at what point- I thought it was- 736.4559 949 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 736.4559 (pause 0.16) 736.6119 950 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 736.6119 it was more 737.2596 951 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 737.2596 (pause 0.59) 737.8514 952 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 737.8514 seventies, eighties, nineties when people from the suburbs were coming back into the city. But 742.3046 953 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 742.3046 (pause 1.29) 743.5933 954 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 743.5933 yeah, uh, that's about the time Corn Hill 745.3566 955 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 745.3566 (pause 0.33) 745.6876 956 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 745.6876 like sprung up too. 746.6812 957 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 746.6812 (pause 0.36) 747.0452 958 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 747.0452 So, 747.3572 959 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 747.3572 (pause 1.42) 748.7754 960 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 748.7754 you know, 749.0591 961 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 749.0591 (pause 0.34) 749.3947 962 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 749.3947 you know, people were coming back into the city, and they were like scoping out neighborhoods that would 753.5936 963 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 753.5936 (pause 0.56) 754.1561 964 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 754.1561 be convenient to their office locations. 756.6381 965 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 756.6381 (pause 0.96) 757.5977 966 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 757.5977 So, 757.8530 967 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 757.8530 (pause 0.13) 757.9854 968 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 757.9854 yeah. 758.1792 969 ROC_int_01 758.6394 Okay. 758.9727 970 ROC_int_01 758.9727 (pause 0.38) 759.3544 971 ROC_int_01 759.3544 Makes sense. 760.0115 972 ROC_int_01 760.0115 (pause 0.57) 760.5788 973 ROC_int_01 760.5788 Okay, so nineteenth ward, um, 762.8299 974 ROC_int_01 762.8299 (pause 0.75) 763.5769 975 ROC_int_01 763.5769 do you think, uh, the neighborhood has changed much since you, 767.8419 976 ROC_int_01 767.8419 (pause 0.41) 768.2532 977 ROC_int_01 768.2532 uh, growing up as a small child, and in- in what ways? 771.1842 978 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 773.2151 Hm. 774.0046 979 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 774.0046 (pause 0.19) 774.1937 980 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 774.1937 Um, 774.6428 981 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 774.6428 (pause 4.64) 779.2813 982 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 779.2813 /I think/- I don't know if I see 780.5293 983 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 780.5293 (pause 0.54) 781.0683 984 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 781.0683 a big difference. 781.8294 985 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 781.8294 (pause 0.52) 782.3455 986 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 782.3455 And, 782.9183 987 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 782.9183 (pause 0.14) 783.0601 988 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 783.0601 um, 783.5888 989 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 783.5888 (pause 1.47) 785.0591 990 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 785.0591 so like 785.5035 991 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 785.5035 (pause 1.25) 786.7562 992 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 786.7562 I went to college for black studies, 788.4156 993 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 788.4156 (pause 0.25) 788.6623 994 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 788.6623 and I feel like 789.6550 995 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 789.6550 (pause 0.93) 790.5816 996 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 790.5816 in college, I was kind of opened up to a lot of stuff that 793.3235 997 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 793.3235 (pause 0.35) 793.6781 998 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 793.6781 793.9134 999 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 793.9134 (pause 0.07) 793.9784 1000 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 793.9784 I was maybe blind to a little bit, 795.6457 1001 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 795.6457 (pause 0.14) 795.7839 1002 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 795.7839 um, in- in growing up. 797.1820 1003 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 797.1820 (pause 0.70) 797.8864 1004 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 797.8864 Um, growing up in a mixed family, um, 800.2832 1005 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 800.2832 (pause 1.84) 802.1230 1006 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 802.1230 yeah, I th- feel like I had like some color blindness 804.1047 1007 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 804.1047 (pause 0.08) 804.1803 1008 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 804.1803 to me, 804.5624 1009 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 804.5624 (pause 0.35) 804.9075 1010 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 804.9075 whereas like, w- wha- you know, th- there- to some degree, there's like this like 807.7827 1011 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 807.7827 (pause 0.30) 808.0805 1012 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 808.0805 just happy and everyone accepts everyone, because in my family, like, 810.6806 1013 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 810.6806 (pause 0.43) 811.1155 1014 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 811.1155 you know, both sides did 811.9996 1015 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 811.9996 (pause 0.28) 812.2793 1016 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 812.2793 really get along, 812.9837 1017 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 812.9837 (pause 0.13) 813.1161 1018 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 813.1161 um, 813.4990 1019 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 813.4990 (pause 0.26) 813.7638 1020 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 813.7638 pretty well. And, 814.7613 1021 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 814.7613 (pause 0.62) 815.3805 1022 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 815.3805 you know, I would got to school with mostly students of color. 818.1708 1023 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 818.1708 (pause 0.06) 818.2334 1024 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 818.2334 Um, my friends were 819.4943 1025 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 819.4943 (pause 0.36) 819.8583 1026 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 819.8583 mostly 820.6052 1027 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 820.6052 (pause 0.59) 821.1915 1028 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 821.1915 people of color, but I still had 822.8082 1029 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 822.8082 (pause 0.24) 823.0446 1030 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 823.0446 my white friends, and 824.1461 1031 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 824.1461 (pause 0.24) 824.3825 1032 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 824.3825 so my groups were like- 825.6834 1033 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 825.6834 (pause 0.26) 825.9387 1034 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 825.9387 were mixed, you know. 826.8369 1035 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 826.8369 (pause 0.61) 827.4467 1036 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 827.4467 Um, 827.9053 1037 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 827.9053 (pause 0.85) 828.7555 1038 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 828.7555 828.8431 1039 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 828.8431 (pause 0.11) 828.9501 1040 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 828.9501 and, um, 829.8672 1041 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 829.8672 (pause 0.46) 830.3313 1042 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 830.3313 I did- I d- still- I remember like 832.2743 1043 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 832.2743 (pause 0.18) 832.4540 1044 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 832.4540 kind of distinctly 833.3900 1045 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 833.3900 (pause 0.39) 833.7777 1046 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 833.7777 s- at some point in middle school, 835.1628 1047 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 835.1628 (pause 0.14) 835.3046 1048 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 835.3046 my shift being like, I really like being around black people, you know. (laughing) [Um], 838.7376 1049 ROC_int_01 838.5363 [Mm.] 838.7443 1050 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 839.2955 and, um, you know, I don't know what 840.5624 1051 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 840.5624 (pause 0.09) 840.6542 1052 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 840.6542 th- 840.7086 1053 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 840.7086 (pause 0.09) 840.8035 1054 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 840.8035 the s- 841.1555 1055 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 841.1555 (pause 0.08) 841.2371 1056 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 841.2371 what was behind thay, but, 842.4721 1057 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 842.4721 (pause 0.10) 842.5702 1058 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 842.5702 um- 843.1133 1059 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 843.1133 (pause 0.83) 843.9406 1060 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 843.9406 but it s- wasn't like, 844.9145 1061 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 844.9145 (pause 0.15) 845.0610 1062 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 845.0610 you know, 845.2832 1063 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 845.2832 (pause 0.45) 845.7332 1064 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 845.7332 fuck whitey, 846.3525 1065 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 846.3525 (pause 0.14) 846.4943 1066 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 846.4943 but it was, you know, like [b-] 848.0591 1067 ROC_int_01 847.9173 [Yes.] 848.2765 1068 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 848.5507 but, you know, I'd- there- it was definitely a preference. 850.4323 1069 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 850.4323 (pause 0.43) 850.8577 1070 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 850.8577 Um, 851.3069 1071 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 851.3069 (pause 0.96) 852.2626 1072 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 852.2626 so as far as the neighborhood, um, like 854.0260 1073 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 854.0260 (pause 0.22) 854.2435 1074 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 854.2435 some things that I remember (breathy) 855.7027 1075 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 855.7027 (pause 0.07) 855.7736 1076 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 855.7736 um, 856.1770 1077 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 856.1770 (pause 0.73) 856.9097 1078 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 856.9097 we always kind of 858.2626 1079 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 858.2626 (pause 0.89) 859.1514 1080 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 859.1514 saw our street as like being 860.9998 1081 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 860.9998 (pause 0.30) 861.3024 1082 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 861.3024 like 861.5293 1083 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 861.5293 (pause 0.18) 861.7090 1084 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 861.7090 around the corner from the hood, you know, 863.0988 1085 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 863.0988 (pause 0.41) 863.5110 1086 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 863.5110 um, and the nineteenth ward really has like those pockets where, 866.5176 1087 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 866.5176 (pause 0.23) 866.7493 1088 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 866.7493 um, 867.1133 1089 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 867.1133 (pause 0.64) 867.7515 1090 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 867.7515 there's like, you know, high drug activity, or, you know, whatever it is in like certain 871.0143 1091 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 871.0143 (pause 0.09) 871.1089 1092 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 871.1089 areas. 871.5674 1093 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 871.5674 (pause 0.50) 872.0638 1094 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 872.0638 And then you can like th- s-literally turn a corner, 874.1297 1095 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 874.1297 (pause 0.14) 874.2668 1096 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 874.2668 and it's very different. 875.4061 1097 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 875.4061 (pause 0.65) 876.0594 1098 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 876.0594 Um, 876.5490 1099 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 876.5490 (pause 0.09) 876.6424 1100 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 876.6424 876.9198 1101 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 876.9198 (pause 0.82) 877.7423 1102 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 877.7423 so 878.4136 1103 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 878.4136 (pause 0.43) 878.8438 1104 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 878.8438 I remember like, 879.7957 1105 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 879.7957 (pause 0.13) 879.9280 1106 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 879.9280 you know, my sister and I sneaking out of the house. He knows about these [things.] Um, [] 883.7376 1107 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 882.5908 [] 882.6328 1108 ROC_int_01 883.0911 [] 883.9610 1109 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 884.0969 you know, sneaking out and like wanting to, you know, at night, be like- 887.0138 1110 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 887.0138 (pause 0.29) 887.2990 1111 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 887.2990 seek out 887.9939 1112 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 887.9939 (pause 0.17) 888.1665 1113 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 888.1665 that- 888.4336 1114 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 888.4336 (pause 0.15) 888.5829 1115 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 888.5829 those sce- you know, like 889.7128 1116 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 889.7128 (pause 0.41) 890.1194 1117 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 890.1194 those scenes. Um, 891.3130 1118 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 891.3130 (pause 0.27) 891.5853 1119 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 891.5853 and I still fell like there- 892.8499 1120 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 892.8499 (pause 0.48) 893.3297 1121 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 893.3297 there's- 893.6016 1122 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 893.6016 (pause 0.15) 893.7552 1123 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 893.7552 that's still the case today, you know, 895.2479 1124 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 895.2479 (pause 0.06) 895.3106 1125 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 895.3106 um, 895.6537 1126 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 895.6537 (pause 0.23) 895.8806 1127 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 895.8806 that w- like, our little area felt 897.4761 1128 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 897.4761 (pause 0.22) 897.6917 1129 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 897.6917 little too safe, and so we wanted to like find some danger, you know. And I f- still feel like that's, 901.4788 1130 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 901.4788 (pause 0.11) 901.5875 1131 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 901.5875 um, the case. 902.5566 1132 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 902.5566 (pause 0.61) 903.1618 1133 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 903.1618 Um, 903.5991 1134 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 903.5991 (pause 0.18) 903.7791 1135 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 903.7791 right in our neighborhood, we had, um- 906.0909 1136 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 906.0909 (pause 0.12) 906.2121 1137 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 906.2121 you know, we used to have- 907.0012 1138 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 907.0012 (pause 0.07) 907.0699 1139 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 907.0699 I went to 907.5071 1140 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 907.5071 (pause 0.13) 907.6419 1141 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 907.6419 /RD-SCHOOL-4/ School which is now /RD-SCHOOL-1/ School 909.1287 1142 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 909.1287 (pause 0.39) 909.5211 1143 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 909.5211 on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ 910.2613 1144 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 910.2613 (pause 0.12) 910.3771 1145 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 910.3771 and, um, we used to have like the- a corner store there and like, 912.9871 1146 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 912.9871 (pause 0.23) 913.2188 1147 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 913.2188 you know, my mom had us out there 914.5472 1148 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 914.5472 (pause 0.31) 914.8592 1149 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 914.8592 like picketing because they were like selling drugs and had illegal guns and stuff like that. And, 918.5494 1150 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 918.5494 (pause 0.49) 919.0368 1151 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 919.0368 um- 919.4386 1152 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 919.4386 (pause 0.12) 919.5615 1153 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 919.5615 and she got- you know, 920.3037 1154 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 920.3037 (pause 0.10) 920.4077 1155 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 920.4077 she helped get rid of that store, which I was pretty resentful of. Um, 923.4804 1156 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 923.4804 (pause 0.44) 923.9179 1157 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 923.9179 you know, that was like 925.4467 1158 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 925.4467 (pause 0.49) 925.9336 1159 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 925.9336 the five cent candy store, you know. 927.2199 1160 ROC_int_01 927.4120 [Mm-hm.] 927.9061 1161 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 927.6690 [Um], 928.0661 1162 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 928.2434 but, um- 929.4446 1163 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 929.4446 (pause 1.12) 930.5650 1164 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 930.5650 but yeah, I don't know. I think, 931.6599 1165 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 931.6599 (pause 0.09) 931.7527 1166 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 931.7527 um, to that degree, I think that 933.4438 1167 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 933.4438 (pause 0.28) 933.7240 1168 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 933.7240 the nineteenth ward has 934.9805 1169 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 934.9805 (pause 0.39) 935.3658 1170 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 935.3658 stayed kind of constant in that 936.6436 1171 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 936.6436 (pause 0.58) 937.2274 1172 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 937.2274 another thing that I noticed in the nineteenth ward, when I, 939.2973 1173 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 939.2973 (pause 0.17) 939.4722 1174 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 939.4722 um, came back 940.6554 1175 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 940.6554 (pause 0.69) 941.3457 1176 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 941.3457 home from college, 942.5230 1177 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 942.5230 (pause 0.50) 943.0206 1178 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 943.0206 um, 943.4286 1179 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 943.4286 (pause 0.21) 943.6401 1180 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 943.6401 I got involved in the, 945.4368 1181 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 945.4368 (pause 0.14) 945.5809 1182 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 945.5809 uh- 945.8457 1183 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 945.8457 (pause 0.21) 946.0561 1184 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 946.0561 the community association 947.2748 1185 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 947.2748 (pause 0.20) 947.4792 1186 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 947.4792 in the nineteenth ward. 948.2784 1187 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 948.2784 (pause 0.48) 948.7618 1188 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 948.7618 And 949.3267 1189 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 949.3267 (pause 0.39) 949.7193 1190 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 949.7193 it's mostly run by white people. 951.5337 1191 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 951.5337 (pause 0.24) 951.7712 1192 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 951.7712 Um, 952.1967 1193 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 952.1967 (pause 0.50) 952.6957 1194 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 952.6957 I think, 953.0609 1195 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 953.0609 (pause 0.18) 953.2452 1196 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 953.2452 to me, when I look at- 954.4143 1197 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 954.4143 (pause 0.20) 954.6188 1198 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 954.6188 at 954.8291 1199 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 954.8291 (pause 0.06) 954.8930 1200 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 954.8930 my neighborhood, 955.6850 1201 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 955.6850 (pause 0.20) 955.8812 1202 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 955.8812 it feels more black than white, 957.4710 1203 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 957.4710 (pause 0.57) 958.0395 1204 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 958.0395 um, and I know that obviously there are still white people there. But, 960.2741 1205 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 960.2741 (pause 0.13) 960.4084 1206 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 960.4084 um- 960.7854 1207 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 960.7854 (pause 0.83) 961.6129 1208 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 961.6129 but I see white people stepping up to those positions, 964.4557 1209 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 964.4557 (pause 0.47) 964.9226 1210 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 964.9226 and also our slogan is, urban by choice. 967.5101 1211 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 967.5101 (pause 0.15) 967.6626 1212 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 967.6626 And 968.0999 1213 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 968.0999 (pause 0.29) 968.3859 1214 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 968.3859 that began 969.1271 1215 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 969.1271 (pause 0.49) 969.6152 1216 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 969.6152 to 969.7429 1217 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 969.7429 (pause 0.49) 970.2357 1218 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 970.2357 bother me, 970.8032 1219 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 970.8032 (pause 0.11) 970.9108 1220 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 970.9108 um, 971.3350 1221 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 971.3350 (pause 0.68) 972.0184 1222 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 972.0184 cause I'm like, whose choice is it [to be urban, you know?] 974.3504 1223 ROC_int_01 973.2131 [Mm-hm.] 974.0830 1224 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 974.5868 [It's your choice] to be urban, you- you know, like 976.5207 1225 ROC_int_01 974.7352 [Right.] 975.1051 1226 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 976.6058 th- like he's saying with Corn Hill. 977.9900 1227 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 977.9900 (pause 0.33) 978.3150 1228 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 978.3150 Like 978.4628 1229 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 978.4628 (pause 0.09) 978.5549 1230 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 978.5549 these people 979.1010 1231 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 979.1010 (pause 0.06) 979.1624 1232 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 979.1624 chose to come in because 980.6932 1233 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 980.6932 (pause 0.08) 980.7759 1234 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 980.7759 some white people with money 982.2369 1235 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 982.2369 (pause 0.26) 982.4959 1236 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 982.4959 created 983.0431 1237 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 983.0431 (pause 0.13) 983.1743 1238 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 983.1743 a space that they would feel safe in. 984.7393 1239 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 984.7393 (pause 0.40) 985.1423 1240 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 985.1423 Um, so you made that choice, but a lot of people don't have the choice. 988.1376 1241 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 988.1376 (pause 0.06) 988.1977 1242 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 988.1977 People- you know, like, we don't have the ch- like, 989.3937 1243 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 989.3937 (pause 0.25) 989.6407 1244 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 989.6407 oh yeah, we wanna live in sub- suburbs, 991.6524 1245 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 991.6524 (pause 0.07) 991.7174 1246 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 991.7174 you know, but 992.2566 1247 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 992.2566 (pause 0.41) 992.6655 1248 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 992.6655 w- we like it here, you know. You know, like there- it's not a choice, [you know.] 995.2755 1249 ROC_int_01 995.1384 [Yeah.] 995.3357 1250 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 995.8605 Um, 996.3214 1251 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 996.3214 (pause 1.40) 997.7245 1252 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 997.7245 so, yeah, so the- there are things, um, that I've- I've like 1000.8321 1253 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1000.8321 (pause 0.14) 1000.9762 1254 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1000.9762 been able to put more words and like more critique to, since, uh, 1004.0566 1255 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1004.0566 (pause 0.19) 1004.2471 1256 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1004.2471 coming back from college. 1005.3167 1257 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1005.3167 (pause 0.37) 1005.6916 1258 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1005.6916 Um, i- but 1006.1702 1259 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1006.1702 (pause 0.10) 1006.2707 1260 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1006.2707 honestly when I look, a lot of that 1007.4752 1261 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1007.4752 (pause 0.07) 1007.5402 1262 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1007.5402 s- feels the same 1008.4963 1263 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1008.4963 (pause 0.15) 1008.6478 1264 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1008.6478 as when I was growing up. 1009.6217 1265 ROC_int_01 1010.4953 Okay. So 1011.4443 1266 ROC_int_01 1011.4443 (pause 0.14) 1011.5872 1267 ROC_int_01 1011.5872 pretty consistent I guess you would say during the span of your life thus [far.] 1015.2368 1268 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1014.8491 [Yeah.] 1015.3408 1269 ROC_int_01 1015.5535 Okay. 1015.9270 1270 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1016.2359 But my- 1016.5030 1271 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1016.5030 (pause 0.08) 1016.5857 1272 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1016.5857 my perspective would be a little different. I'd- 1018.3967 1273 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1018.3967 (pause 0.10) 1018.4960 1274 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1018.4960 you know, I think 1018.9971 1275 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1018.9971 (pause 1.40) 1020.3965 1276 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1020.3965 the- 1020.5005 1277 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1020.5005 (pause 1.49) 1021.9900 1278 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1021.9900 the neighborhood that we live in has pretty much 1024.2876 1279 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1024.2876 (pause 0.67) 1024.9546 1280 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1024.9546 stayed the same. 1025.9190 1281 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1025.9190 (pause 0.27) 1026.1905 1282 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1026.1905 The neighborhood has stayed the same. 1027.7222 1283 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1027.7222 (pause 0.53) 1028.2525 1284 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1028.2525 My recollection of 1029.4958 1285 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1029.4958 (pause 0.89) 1030.3846 1286 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1030.3846 like 1030.6115 1287 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1030.6115 (pause 0.12) 1030.7297 1288 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1030.7297 /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Road when we f- when we first moved in and- and had children, 1034.3840 1289 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1034.3840 (pause 0.35) 1034.7300 1290 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1034.7300 /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Road was a pretty vibrant 1036.3089 1291 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1036.3089 (pause 0.60) 1036.9046 1292 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1036.9046 [business] 1037.4282 1293 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1037.2202 [Mm.] 1037.5180 1294 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1038.0061 community, 1038.5639 1295 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1038.5639 (pause 0.21) 1038.7767 1296 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1038.7767 and it's not the same anymore. 1040.1004 1297 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1040.1099 Yeah. 1040.3785 1298 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1040.6787 Like- 1040.8749 1299 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1040.8749 (pause 0.13) 1041.0096 1300 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1041.0096 like 1041.2007 1301 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1041.2007 (pause 0.07) 1041.2740 1302 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1041.2740 anchor businesses are no longer there. 1043.2231 1303 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1043.2231 (pause 0.77) 1043.9978 1304 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1043.9978 The- the other reason why 1045.0383 1305 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1045.0383 (pause 0.09) 1045.1234 1306 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1045.1234 w- 1045.2392 1307 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1045.2392 (pause 0.11) 1045.3456 1308 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1045.3456 like /RD-NAME-3/ and I 1046.3785 1309 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1046.3785 (pause 0.11) 1046.4920 1310 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1046.4920 chose to 1047.1822 1311 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1047.1822 (pause 0.18) 1047.3607 1312 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1047.3607 buy in the nineteenth ward, 1048.7364 1313 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1048.7364 (pause 0.55) 1049.2903 1314 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1049.2903 right, you know, 1049.6736 1315 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1049.6736 (pause 0.11) 1049.7823 1316 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1049.7823 one, we- 1050.2358 1317 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1050.2358 (pause 0.17) 1050.4087 1318 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1050.4087 uh, we- 1050.7893 1319 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1050.7893 (pause 0.20) 1050.9902 1320 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1050.9902 we had- 1051.3519 1321 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1051.3519 (pause 0.08) 1051.4289 1322 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1051.4289 we bought- 1051.8685 1323 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1051.8685 (pause 1.58) 1053.4505 1324 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1053.4505 we got a really good deal on the house that we- that we bought. 1056.4533 1325 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1056.4533 (pause 0.81) 1057.2664 1326 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1057.2664 And the other- the other thing in it- it- it- it- it goes back to what /RD-NAME-1/ was saying about the- 1061.1287 1327 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1061.1287 (pause 0.42) 1061.5475 1328 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1061.5475 the community association. The community association 1064.2658 1329 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1064.2658 (pause 0.74) 1065.0041 1330 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1065.0041 w- was formed by 1066.2995 1331 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1066.2995 (pause 0.73) 1067.0275 1332 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1067.0275 y- 1067.1504 1333 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1067.1504 (pause 0.15) 1067.3023 1334 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1067.3023 you know, 1067.6234 1335 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1067.6234 (pause 0.16) 1067.7794 1336 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1067.7794 like 1067.9933 1337 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1067.9933 (pause 0.72) 1068.7166 1338 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1068.7166 some people who ha- 1069.7850 1339 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1069.7850 (pause 0.51) 1070.2909 1340 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1070.2909 who had s- 1070.9149 1341 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1070.9149 (pause 0.59) 1071.5058 1342 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1071.5058 some 1071.9274 1343 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1071.9274 (pause 0.16) 1072.0834 1344 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1072.0834 pretty revolutionary ideas. I mean 1074.2344 1345 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1074.2344 (pause 0.45) 1074.6835 1346 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1074.6835 the- the nineteenth w- 1075.7757 1347 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1075.7757 (pause 0.11) 1075.8886 1348 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1075.8886 d- 1075.9845 1349 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1075.9845 (pause 0.06) 1076.0450 1350 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1076.0450 and- and they were mostly white people 1078.0934 1351 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1078.0934 (pause 0.68) 1078.7694 1352 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1078.7694 who 1079.1262 1353 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1079.1262 (pause 0.10) 1079.2255 1354 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1079.2255 were, 1079.6535 1355 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1079.6535 (pause 0.14) 1079.7961 1356 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1079.7961 um, 1080.1980 1357 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1080.1980 (pause 0.86) 1081.0536 1358 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1081.0536 beating up or, uh, you know, working hard to beat up on banks who were like redlining like [a- like] all over the neighborhood, 1087.1860 1359 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1085.8576 [Mm.] 1086.1271 1360 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1087.4838 and- [and- and that's] where the 1088.7319 1361 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1087.6871 [Did not know that.] 1088.3395 1362 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1089.0675 urban by choice, that- 1090.1393 1363 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1090.1393 (pause 0.13) 1090.2646 1364 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1090.2646 I mean it- 1090.6676 1365 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1090.6676 (pause 0.48) 1091.1504 1366 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1091.1504 you know I- I- I hear what you're saying, [but that's] really where 1093.5378 1367 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1092.5497 [Yeah.] 1092.8996 1368 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1093.8403 urban by- you know, we live here because we wanna be here. 1096.6257 1369 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1096.7911 Yeah. 1097.0606 1370 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1097.6137 That kind of sentiment came from is- is that they, 1100.7441 1371 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1100.7441 (pause 0.78) 1101.5194 1372 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1101.5194 um, 1101.8173 1373 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1101.8173 (pause 0.85) 1102.6635 1374 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1102.6635 th- you know, they wanted to- they wanted the 1104.9890 1375 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1104.9890 (pause 0.16) 1105.1498 1376 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1105.1498 neighborhood to be, 1106.1807 1377 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1106.1807 (pause 0.74) 1106.9196 1378 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1106.9196 um, 1107.2978 1379 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1107.2978 (pause 1.12) 1108.4143 1380 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1108.4143 inte- integrated, and like, you know, like, lots of different people living. And that was- 1112.4563 1381 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1112.4563 (pause 0.46) 1112.9149 1382 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1112.9149 that was their 1113.5247 1383 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1113.5247 (pause 0.36) 1113.8848 1384 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1113.8848 aim, 1114.3860 1385 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1114.3860 (pause 0.17) 1114.5561 1386 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1114.5561 and- and, 1115.2747 1387 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1115.2747 (pause 0.18) 1115.4591 1388 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1115.4591 you know, helping /nor-/ the, um, 1116.9530 1389 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1116.9530 (pause 0.47) 1117.4257 1390 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1117.4257 neighborhood 1117.9268 1391 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1117.9268 (pause 0.35) 1118.2767 1392 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1118.2767 become 1118.8061 1393 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1118.8061 (pause 0.71) 1119.5200 1394 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1119.5200 more vibrant. 1120.4805 1395 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1120.4805 (pause 0.35) 1120.8303 1396 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1120.8303 And- 1121.0478 1397 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1121.0478 (pause 0.36) 1121.4118 1398 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1121.4118 um, 1121.7758 1399 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1121.7758 (pause 0.55) 1122.3242 1400 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1122.3242 and, 1122.5275 1401 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1122.5275 (pause 0.57) 1123.0948 1402 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1123.0948 you know, I- I was active in the nineteenth ward community association for some time, 1127.0903 1403 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1127.0903 (pause 0.54) 1127.6340 1404 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1127.6340 you know, 1128.0134 1405 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1128.0134 (pause 0.14) 1128.1505 1406 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1128.1505 not- 1128.3715 1407 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1128.3715 (pause 0.21) 1128.5830 1408 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1128.5830 not- 1128.7769 1409 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1128.7769 (pause 0.42) 1129.1941 1410 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1129.1941 n- 1129.3359 1411 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1129.3359 (pause 0.49) 1129.8276 1412 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1129.8276 not a great deal of time, but- 1131.0614 1413 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1131.0614 (pause 0.56) 1131.6201 1414 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1131.6201 and I- and I know that there was- there was always- there's always been a great push 1135.5250 1415 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1135.5250 (pause 0.50) 1136.0261 1416 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1136.0261 to bring, 1136.6785 1417 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1136.6785 (pause 0.18) 1136.8581 1418 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1136.8581 um, 1137.3073 1419 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1137.3073 (pause 0.43) 1137.7422 1420 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1137.7422 you know, a 1138.2725 1421 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1138.2725 (pause 0.27) 1138.5467 1422 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1138.5467 diversity 1139.2889 1423 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1139.2889 (pause 0.36) 1139.6529 1424 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1139.6529 of people into the association, but it was just, 1142.4232 1425 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1142.4232 (pause 0.52) 1142.9432 1426 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1142.9432 y- you know, 1143.4916 1427 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1143.4916 (pause 1.14) 1144.6271 1428 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1144.6271 you know, efforts to- 1145.6718 1429 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1145.6718 (pause 0.14) 1145.8089 1430 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1145.8089 to make that happen 1146.8632 1431 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1146.8632 (pause 0.11) 1146.9719 1432 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1146.9719 t- you know, 1147.5203 1433 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1147.5203 (pause 0.27) 1147.7897 1434 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1147.7897 just never- 1148.3618 1435 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1148.3618 (pause 1.33) 1149.6957 1436 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1149.6957 it 1149.8754 1437 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1149.8754 (pause 0.11) 1149.9825 1438 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1149.9825 never came to the point where we- 1151.7995 1439 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1151.7995 (pause 0.17) 1151.9697 1440 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1151.9697 where we were hoping that it would come. 1153.4730 1441 ROC_int_01 1154.4138 Mm-hm. 1154.7447 1442 ROC_int_01 1154.7447 (pause 2.37) 1157.1187 1443 ROC_int_01 1157.1187 Okay. 1157.5773 1444 ROC_int_01 1157.5773 (pause 0.52) 1158.0973 1445 ROC_int_01 1158.0973 Um, 1158.5606 1446 ROC_int_01 1158.5606 (pause 0.62) 1159.1799 1447 ROC_int_01 1159.1799 let's see, what else was I gon- 1160.4705 1448 ROC_int_01 1160.4705 (pause 0.30) 1160.7731 1449 ROC_int_01 1160.7731 oh, I wanted to ask about 1162.5987 1450 ROC_int_01 1162.5987 (pause 0.25) 1162.8445 1451 ROC_int_01 1162.8445 what you thought about U of R's sort of role in- 1165.8985 1452 ROC_int_01 1165.8985 (pause 0.18) 1166.0781 1453 ROC_int_01 1166.0781 in 1166.5414 1454 ROC_int_01 1166.5414 (pause 0.98) 1167.5247 1455 ROC_int_01 1167.5247 trying to create this, um, 1169.5915 1456 ROC_int_01 1169.5915 (pause 0.93) 1170.5228 1457 ROC_int_01 1170.5228 college town for students, and how you think it might be affecting 1174.4084 1458 ROC_int_01 1174.4084 (pause 0.12) 1174.5272 1459 ROC_int_01 1174.5272 the neighborhood. 1175.4496 1460 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1175.4780 Yeah. 1175.7995 1461 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1175.7995 (pause 0.96) 1176.7570 1462 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1176.7570 Um, 1177.1777 1463 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1177.1777 (pause 0.09) 1177.2723 1464 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1177.2723 so 1178.1941 1465 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1178.1941 (pause 1.67) 1179.8657 1466 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1179.8657 I'm gonna tangent a little bit and [try to bring] it [back.] 1181.8938 1467 ROC_int_01 1181.3454 [Yeah.] 1181.5416 1468 ROC_int_01 1181.5416 (pause 0.21) 1181.7520 1469 ROC_int_01 1181.7520 [Totally] [fine.] 1182.2909 1470 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1182.1207 [B-] 1182.2106 1471 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1182.4119 but, um, you know, I r- remember, um, 1184.9671 1472 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1184.9671 (pause 0.71) 1185.6724 1473 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1185.6724 the 1186.0406 1474 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1186.0406 (pause 0.35) 1186.3952 1475 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1186.3952 Arnett /RD-WORK-4/, 1187.4636 1476 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1187.4636 (pause 0.22) 1187.6882 1477 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1187.6882 um, 1188.1893 1478 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1188.1893 (pause 0.51) 1188.6979 1479 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1188.6979 and 1189.3810 1480 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1189.3810 (pause 0.11) 1189.4873 1481 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1189.4873 we now have the /RD-WORK-2/ 1190.7284 1482 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1190.7284 (pause 0.39) 1191.1207 1483 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1191.1207 /RD-WORK-1/. And I don't know if you know the difference, 1192.5979 1484 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1192.5979 (pause 0.07) 1192.6688 1485 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1192.6688 but 1192.8481 1486 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1192.8481 (pause 0.51) 1193.3620 1487 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1193.3620 Arnett was like 1194.2956 1488 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1194.2956 (pause 0.13) 1194.4261 1489 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1194.4261 popping, ha- you know, had a swimming pool- it like- it had what normal /RD-WORK-4/'s have, and, 1198.4756 1490 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1198.4756 (pause 0.53) 1199.0074 1491 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1199.0074 um, 1199.4825 1492 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1199.4825 (pause 0.22) 1199.7047 1493 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1199.7047 they shut that down when I was a kid. 1201.4874 1494 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1201.4874 (pause 0.76) 1202.2438 1495 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1202.2438 Um, 1202.8016 1496 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1202.8016 (pause 0.11) 1202.9104 1497 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1202.9104 and, 1203.5817 1498 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1203.5817 (pause 0.12) 1203.7050 1499 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1203.7050 you know, people in the neighborhood were like, what 1205.2831 1500 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1205.2831 (pause 0.18) 1205.4589 1501 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1205.4589 the hell? You know, like, 1206.3240 1502 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1206.3240 (pause 0.08) 1206.4044 1503 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1206.4044 we 1206.8086 1504 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1206.8086 (pause 0.31) 1207.1149 1505 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1207.1149 now have nothing here 1208.1833 1506 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1208.1833 (pause 0.52) 1208.6990 1507 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1208.6990 and fought to get th- you know, to get anything. And we were given the /RD-WORK-3/, which is 1213.1102 1508 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1213.1102 (pause 0.49) 1213.5971 1509 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1213.5971 one floor, has a very- you know, like very small gym, very small dance space, 1217.7699 1510 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1217.7699 (pause 0.31) 1218.0819 1511 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1218.0819 very small space for like 1219.7232 1512 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1219.7232 (pause 0.06) 1219.7870 1513 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1219.7870 after school programming. 1220.8276 1514 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1220.8276 (pause 0.33) 1221.1562 1515 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1221.1562 No 1221.6932 1516 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1221.6932 (pause 0.14) 1221.8350 1517 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1221.8350 basketball courts, no swimming pool, like 1224.3216 1518 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1224.3216 (pause 0.35) 1224.6672 1519 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1224.6672 just- it has almost nothing. It- 1225.9838 1520 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1225.9838 (pause 0.39) 1226.3785 1521 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1226.3785 I feel it was made 1227.6455 1522 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1227.6455 (pause 0.22) 1227.8610 1523 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1227.8610 to fail, 1228.4543 1524 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1228.4543 (pause 0.21) 1228.6623 1525 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1228.6623 um, 1229.0476 1526 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1229.0476 (pause 0.48) 1229.5322 1527 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1229.5322 and they didn't realize that, 1230.4493 1528 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1230.4493 (pause 0.19) 1230.6364 1529 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1230.6364 you know, people wanted it. 1231.6103 1530 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1231.6103 (pause 0.14) 1231.7545 1531 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1231.7545 And so, 1232.4022 1532 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1232.4022 (pause 0.12) 1232.5180 1533 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1232.5180 we- you know, it still maintains membership, 1234.6316 1534 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1234.6316 (pause 0.12) 1234.7545 1535 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1234.7545 um, 1235.1161 1536 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1235.1161 (pause 0.78) 1235.8914 1537 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1235.8914 you know, f- 1236.1893 1538 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1236.1893 (pause 0.07) 1236.2555 1539 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1236.2555 for it to have existed for as long as it has, 1237.9493 1540 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1237.9493 (pause 0.57) 1238.5194 1541 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1238.5194 um, 1238.8314 1542 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1238.8314 (pause 0.16) 1238.9921 1543 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1238.9921 even with like how little, 1240.2804 1544 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1240.2804 (pause 0.19) 1240.4671 1545 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1240.4671 um, 1240.7744 1546 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1240.7744 (pause 0.07) 1240.8476 1547 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1240.8476 that it offers. 1241.4957 1548 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1241.4957 (pause 0.68) 1242.1741 1549 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1242.1741 And, um, 1242.8620 1550 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1242.8620 (pause 0.20) 1243.0653 1551 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1243.0653 I- 1243.1890 1552 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1243.1890 (pause 0.07) 1243.2540 1553 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1243.2540 so I worked when I came back from school- I worked at the /RD-WORK-1/ in, um- 1246.7805 1554 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1246.7805 (pause 0.62) 1247.4045 1555 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1247.4045 in their like, uh, childcare programming. And, 1249.7450 1556 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1249.7450 (pause 0.63) 1250.3762 1557 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1250.3762 um, 1250.9435 1558 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1250.9435 (pause 1.55) 1252.4921 1559 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1252.4921 while I was there, there were talks of- 1254.8303 1560 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1254.8303 (pause 0.60) 1255.4307 1561 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1255.4307 so it's k- the /RD-WORK-6/. 1257.2200 1562 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1257.2200 (pause 0.54) 1257.7570 1563 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1257.7570 And there were talks of 1258.7498 1564 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1258.7498 (pause 0.29) 1259.0381 1565 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1259.0381 putting that at 1259.8962 1566 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1259.8962 (pause 0.31) 1260.2082 1567 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1260.2082 College Town. 1260.9295 1568 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1260.9295 (pause 0.82) 1261.7450 1569 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1261.7450 And, 1262.3667 1570 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1262.3667 (pause 0.26) 1262.6267 1571 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1262.6267 um, 1263.0829 1572 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1263.0829 (pause 0.41) 1263.4946 1573 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1263.4946 th- it was very frustrating cause 1265.2296 1574 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1265.2296 (pause 0.38) 1265.6102 1575 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1265.6102 like the reason that that 1266.6195 1576 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1266.6195 (pause 0.42) 1267.0359 1577 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1267.0359 shitty /RD-WORK-1/ existed was (laughing) 1269.0333 1578 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1269.0333 (pause 0.62) 1269.6530 1579 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1269.6530 for the people in that neighborhood. If it were moved to College Town, it would 1273.0997 1580 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1273.0997 (pause 0.16) 1273.2581 1581 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1273.2581 not- you know, it wouldn't be for those neighbors. It would be for these students who 1277.2769 1582 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1277.2769 (pause 0.43) 1277.7071 1583 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1277.7071 are now coming and taking up space in this neighborhood. 1280.2060 1584 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1280.2060 (pause 0.46) 1280.6622 1585 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1280.6622 Um, so that's like, you know, just one 1282.6576 1586 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1282.6576 (pause 0.25) 1282.9105 1587 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1282.9105 of many things that I've noticed. Um, 1284.7069 1588 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1284.7069 (pause 0.67) 1285.3810 1589 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1285.3810 o- 1285.5063 1590 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1285.5063 (pause 0.10) 1285.6079 1591 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1285.6079 our street, 1286.3237 1592 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1286.3237 (pause 0.13) 1286.4542 1593 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1286.4542 um, because it is one of those like, 1287.9811 1594 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1287.9811 (pause 0.06) 1288.0438 1595 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1288.0438 you know, safer feeling pockets, um, 1290.0826 1596 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1290.0826 (pause 0.33) 1290.4088 1597 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1290.4088 I feel like we tend- and 1291.5340 1598 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1291.5340 (pause 0.46) 1291.9925 1599 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1291.9925 w- we- 1292.3778 1600 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1292.3778 (pause 0.07) 1292.4511 1601 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1292.4511 k- we have for years had 1294.1912 1602 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1294.1912 (pause 0.16) 1294.3496 1603 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1294.3496 college students living, 1295.4558 1604 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1295.4558 (pause 0.11) 1295.5622 1605 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1295.5622 um, on our street. And, 1296.5010 1606 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1296.5010 (pause 0.32) 1296.8201 1607 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1296.8201 you know, we have a neighbor across the street who passed away, and his house then became one of these 1300.7987 1608 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1300.7987 (pause 0.29) 1301.0894 1609 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1301.0894 houses, um, 1302.0755 1610 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1302.0755 (pause 0.32) 1302.3946 1611 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1302.3946 where college students live. 1303.3258 1612 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1303.3258 (pause 0.29) 1303.6148 1613 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1303.6148 But, you know, it- 1304.1013 1614 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1304.1013 (pause 0.18) 1304.2833 1615 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1304.2833 it j- um, 1304.9664 1616 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1304.9664 (pause 1.22) 1306.1834 1617 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1306.1834 1306.2572 1618 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1306.2572 (pause 0.27) 1306.5245 1619 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1306.5245 when those opportunities come, when a house opens up 1308.5654 1620 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1308.5654 (pause 0.08) 1308.6499 1621 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1308.6499 that 1308.8958 1622 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1308.8958 (pause 0.16) 1309.0547 1623 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1309.0547 is an oppontunity for a landlord to come in and- 1310.8908 1624 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1310.8908 (pause 0.40) 1311.2954 1625 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1311.2954 and make money o- 1311.9879 1626 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1311.9879 (pause 0.11) 1312.0943 1627 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1312.0943 um, you know, 1312.7065 1628 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1312.7065 (pause 0.16) 1312.8673 1629 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1312.8673 off of that, 1313.3305 1630 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1313.3305 (pause 0.23) 1313.5646 1631 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1313.5646 versus like families coming in and living there, 1315.9618 1632 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1315.9618 (pause 0.17) 1316.1344 1633 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1316.1344 uh, 1316.3944 1634 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1316.3944 (pause 0.11) 1316.5078 1635 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1316.5078 you know, for years. 1317.2575 1636 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1317.2575 (pause 0.66) 1317.9147 1637 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1317.9147 Um, 1318.3070 1638 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1318.3070 (pause 0.80) 1319.1060 1639 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1319.1060 So /I/ see that a lot, 1320.2055 1640 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1320.2055 (pause 0.39) 1320.6003 1641 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1320.6003 um, 1320.9738 1642 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1320.9738 (pause 0.21) 1321.1841 1643 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1321.1841 but, you know, there's, um- 1322.4346 1644 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1322.4346 (pause 0.09) 1322.5220 1645 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1322.5220 I don't know what it's called, but 1323.6060 1646 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1323.6060 (pause 0.32) 1323.9251 1647 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1323.9251 over on Plymouth. That was one of the ones that really 1326.2231 1648 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1326.2231 (pause 0.15) 1326.3696 1649 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1326.3696 shocked me cause Plymouth is the hood, you know. 1328.1405 1650 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1328.1405 (pause 0.53) 1328.6700 1651 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1328.6700 And a- 1329.2609 1652 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1329.2609 (pause 0.19) 1329.4476 1653 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1329.4476 I remember, 1330.3718 1654 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1330.3718 (pause 0.23) 1330.6063 1655 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1330.6063 you know, 1330.9419 1656 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1330.9419 (pause 0.36) 1331.3036 1657 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1331.3036 on a daily basis driving, 1332.8896 1658 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1332.8896 (pause 0.58) 1333.4715 1659 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1333.4715 um, through Plymouth, 1334.5967 1660 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1334.5967 (pause 1.32) 1335.9156 1661 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1335.9156 and, um, 1337.1168 1662 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1337.1168 (pause 0.59) 1337.7030 1663 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1337.7030 I was shocked to see- (laughing) cause I, 1339.6015 1664 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1339.6015 (pause 0.17) 1339.7717 1665 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1339.7717 you know, assumed that 1340.9134 1666 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1340.9134 (pause 0.39) 1341.3082 1667 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1341.3082 housing for the U of R 1342.6985 1668 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1342.6985 (pause 0.07) 1342.7670 1669 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1342.7670 in that space 1343.8236 1670 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1343.8236 (pause 0.59) 1344.4098 1671 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1344.4098 w- 1344.5516 1672 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1344.5516 (pause 0.13) 1344.6864 1673 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1344.6864 would 1345.2017 1674 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1345.2017 (pause 0.70) 1345.9017 1675 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1345.9017 probably be pretty white, 1347.0694 1676 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1347.0694 (pause 0.08) 1347.1480 1677 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1347.1480 um, 1347.4429 1678 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1347.4429 (pause 0.27) 1347.7120 1679 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1347.7120 and it's still shocking. I- I have friends from like Harlem who talk about, 1351.6994 1680 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1351.6994 (pause 0.70) 1352.3991 1681 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1352.3991 um, 1352.8317 1682 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1352.8317 (pause 1.51) 1354.3378 1683 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1354.3378 seeing white people coming further and further into Harlem, and them just looking like, wow, you feel safe here? 1358.8510 1684 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1358.8510 (pause 0.26) 1359.1134 1685 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1359.1134 And that's how I felt when I would see- like, seeing white people further down Plymouth. 1363.0919 1686 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1363.0919 (pause 0.66) 1363.7514 1687 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1363.7514 Um, 1364.1533 1688 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1364.1533 (pause 0.70) 1364.8510 1689 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1364.8510 I was like, what- 1365.3450 1690 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1365.3450 (pause 0.24) 1365.5885 1691 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1365.5885 you know, like, what are you doing? Like, 1367.3302 1692 ROC_int_01 1367.8254 Yeah. 1368.2024 1693 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1368.2828 you know, you don't belong he- you know, 1369.4566 1694 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1369.4566 (pause 0.33) 1369.7828 1695 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1369.7828 um, [] 1371.3761 1696 ROC_int_01 1370.5837 [] 1371.1368 1697 ROC_int_01 1371.8412 Yeah, no. I went to the U of R, so I- I- 1373.9666 1698 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1373.9820 Yeah. [] 1375.2986 1699 ROC_int_01 1374.5103 [I know, (laughing) like] I can totally relate. [It was] 1376.8565 1700 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1376.4391 [Yeah.] 1377.0300 1701 ROC_int_01 1377.1874 for me as a native, I was like 1379.1785 1702 ROC_int_01 1379.1785 (pause 0.47) 1379.6465 1703 ROC_int_01 1379.6465 w- 1380.0342 1704 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1380.4880 Like I don't wanna live there, you [know.] 1382.2797 1705 ROC_int_01 1381.9914 [Yeah], like yeah. And you would have kids [walking] 1385.3109 1706 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1385.2825 [Yeah.] 1385.6891 1707 ROC_int_01 1385.4480 [midnight], two AM in the [morning around] pla- [Plymouth, yeah.] 1388.6627 1708 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1386.7480 [Drunk.] 1387.5233 1709 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1387.5233 (pause 0.33) 1387.8495 1710 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1387.8495 [Yeah.] 1388.3932 1711 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1388.6816 Targets. 1389.2205 1712 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1389.2205 (pause 0.60) 1389.8162 1713 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1389.8162 Um, 1390.2889 1714 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1390.2889 (pause 0.90) 1391.1890 1715 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1391.1890 yeah, and- and also- I also don't want it to come off 1394.2769 1716 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1394.2769 (pause 0.20) 1394.4743 1717 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1394.4743 as me like- 1395.7341 1718 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1395.7341 (pause 0.82) 1396.5508 1719 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1396.5508 li- as if I expect violence or certain things from 1399.7919 1720 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1399.7919 (pause 0.22) 1400.0094 1721 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1400.0094 like my people and the people of the neighborhood, 1401.6498 1722 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1401.6498 (pause 0.43) 1402.0761 1723 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1402.0761 um, 1402.4874 1724 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1402.4874 (pause 0.27) 1402.7569 1725 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1402.7569 but I also can understand, um, 1405.4137 1726 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1405.4137 (pause 0.15) 1405.5603 1727 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1405.5603 th- just the frustration felt 1407.2101 1728 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1407.2101 (pause 0.11) 1407.3189 1729 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1407.3189 when you see your neighborhood being taken over 1409.7260 1730 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1409.7260 (pause 0.27) 1410.0002 1731 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1410.0002 by outsiders. And, 1411.2577 1732 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1411.2577 (pause 0.49) 1411.7493 1733 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1411.7493 um, 1412.2599 1734 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1412.2599 (pause 1.35) 1413.6079 1735 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1413.6079 like, 1414.1350 1736 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1414.1350 (pause 0.24) 1414.3761 1737 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1414.3761 just like with Corn Hill, like 1415.7849 1738 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1415.7849 (pause 0.53) 1416.3171 1739 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1416.3171 we weren't deserving of like 1418.5178 1740 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1418.5178 (pause 0.24) 1418.7612 1741 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1418.7612 /th-/ 1418.9882 1742 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1418.9882 (pause 0.11) 1419.0945 1743 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1419.0945 th- beautiful space. You know, like we're not deserving of 1421.7778 1744 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1421.7778 (pause 0.60) 1422.3786 1745 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1422.3786 the things that you people with money, and like the U of R is like, 1425.8159 1746 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1425.8159 (pause 0.21) 1426.0239 1747 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1426.0239 you know- just has 1426.9670 1748 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1426.9670 (pause 0.34) 1427.3098 1749 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1427.3098 so much money. 1428.3569 1750 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1428.3569 (pause 0.39) 1428.7450 1751 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1428.7450 Um, 1429.1563 1752 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1429.1563 (pause 0.92) 1430.0734 1753 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1430.0734 i- 1430.1632 1754 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1430.1632 (pause 0.11) 1430.2767 1755 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1430.2767 you know, um, so I- 1431.1962 1756 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1431.1962 (pause 0.16) 1431.3569 1757 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1431.3569 I- 1431.4467 1758 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1431.4467 (pause 0.16) 1431.6055 1759 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1431.6055 I get like the frustration behind, um, 1434.1938 1760 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1434.1938 (pause 0.38) 1434.5724 1761 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1434.5724 seeing 1435.2792 1762 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1435.2792 (pause 0.17) 1435.4541 1763 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1435.4541 your neighborhood 1436.2058 1764 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1436.2058 (pause 0.18) 1436.3854 1765 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1436.3854 taken over, and 1437.1513 1766 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1437.1513 (pause 0.33) 1437.4779 1767 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1437.4779 I know that frustration can 1438.7779 1768 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1438.7779 (pause 0.07) 1438.8441 1769 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1438.8441 come out in a multitude of ways. 1440.2765 1770 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1440.2765 (pause 0.24) 1440.5133 1771 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1440.5133 Especially, 1441.0428 1772 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1441.0428 (pause 0.36) 1441.4021 1773 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1441.4021 you know, when I say targets, it's like, 1442.8912 1774 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1442.8912 (pause 0.15) 1443.0402 1775 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1443.0402 well if you can afford to live in like, 1444.8228 1776 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1444.8228 (pause 0.13) 1444.9528 1777 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1444.9528 you know, this expensive housing, like 1446.1406 1778 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1446.1406 (pause 0.28) 1446.4231 1779 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1446.4231 you might 1446.8372 1780 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1446.8372 (pause 0.57) 1447.4045 1781 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1447.4045 be someone that I want, (laughing) you know. 1448.7494 1782 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1448.7494 (pause 0.38) 1449.1276 1783 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1449.1276 I- 1449.2954 1784 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1449.2954 (pause 0.23) 1449.5224 1785 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1449.5224 I'm struggling, 1450.2278 1786 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1450.2278 (pause 0.08) 1450.3046 1787 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1450.3046 you know. 1450.6054 1788 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1450.6054 (pause 0.53) 1451.1348 1789 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1451.1348 Um, I think there's a lot of reasons why crime happens, um, 1454.1467 1790 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1454.1467 (pause 0.80) 1454.9419 1791 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1454.9419 1454.9956 1792 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1454.9956 (pause 0.09) 1455.0898 1793 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1455.0898 but, yeah. 1455.5176 1794 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1455.5176 (pause 0.34) 1455.8561 1795 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1455.8561 So- so those are like some of the things, um, 1458.0756 1796 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1458.0756 (pause 0.51) 1458.5842 1797 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1458.5842 that I've noticed and that- that- 1459.6834 1798 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1459.6834 (pause 0.75) 1460.4303 1799 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1460.4303 that are frustrating. Y- we had, um, 1462.0523 1800 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1462.0523 (pause 0.38) 1462.4328 1801 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1462.4328 that Boulder that was in that like 1464.0709 1802 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1464.0709 (pause 0.62) 1464.6930 1803 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1464.6930 the- 1464.9010 1804 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1464.9010 (pause 0.14) 1465.0452 1805 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1465.0452 i- 1465.1468 1806 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1465.1468 (pause 0.11) 1465.2532 1807 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1465.2532 the one side of the street that was like 1466.6832 1808 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1466.6832 (pause 0.08) 1466.7636 1809 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1466.7636 big and beautiful, [and like] 1467.8773 1810 ROC_int_01 1467.6422 [Mm-hm.] 1468.1764 1811 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1467.9553 [it was] one of the best spaces that we had. 1469.8014 1812 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1470.1158 Um, our arts in Rochester are just like dwindling, 1472.9882 1813 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1472.9882 (pause 0.08) 1473.0638 1814 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1473.0638 um, regularly. 1473.9577 1815 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1473.9577 (pause 0.55) 1474.5061 1816 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1474.5061 And to have 1475.4185 1817 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1475.4185 (pause 0.06) 1475.4809 1818 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1475.4809 that space that we had in Boulder like, 1477.3440 1819 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1477.3440 (pause 0.21) 1477.5543 1820 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1477.5543 um, very beautiful space 1479.4481 1821 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1479.4481 (pause 0.78) 1480.2305 1822 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1480.2305 that could offer like 1481.3419 1823 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1481.3419 (pause 0.32) 1481.6610 1824 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1481.6610 doing shows. I've s- I saw like a lot of really good hip hop shows. 1484.9234 1825 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1484.9234 (pause 0.48) 1485.4008 1826 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1485.4008 Um, 1485.8949 1827 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1485.8949 (pause 0.47) 1486.3672 1828 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1486.3672 1486.4251 1829 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1486.4251 (pause 0.21) 1486.6361 1830 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1486.6361 and 1487.4090 1831 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1487.4090 (pause 1.19) 1488.5984 1832 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1488.5984 th- 1488.8206 1833 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1488.8206 (pause 0.22) 1489.0357 1834 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1489.0357 that 1489.5439 1835 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1489.5439 (pause 0.24) 1489.7850 1836 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1489.7850 was 1490.0119 1837 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1490.0119 (pause 0.10) 1490.1159 1838 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1490.1159 given to like a Jewish community center, and like 1492.6314 1839 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1492.6314 (pause 0.34) 1492.9682 1840 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1492.9682 Boulder moved to l- a much smaller space that just really couldn't accommodate what 1496.4303 1841 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1496.4303 (pause 0.32) 1496.7494 1842 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1496.7494 the other space had had. 1497.9908 1843 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1498.3075 But 1498.4588 1844 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1498.4588 (pause 0.09) 1498.5463 1845 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1498.5463 y- 1498.6976 1846 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1498.6976 (pause 0.58) 1499.2790 1847 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1499.2790 you- 1499.4067 1848 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1499.4067 (pause 0.58) 1499.9905 1849 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1499.9905 you know that 1500.8497 1850 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1500.8497 (pause 1.88) 1502.7327 1851 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1502.7327 well, there- there was circumstance. There- a- a few [f- circumstances] 1505.9671 1852 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1504.9460 [Yeah.] 1505.2816 1853 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1506.6337 Like they ad- a- th- this i- 1508.0283 1854 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1508.0283 (pause 0.88) 1508.9115 1855 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1508.9115 n- 1509.1621 1856 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1509.1621 (pause 0.14) 1509.2980 1857 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1509.2980 Jewish 1510.0544 1858 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1510.0544 (pause 0.15) 1510.2021 1859 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1510.2021 community 1511.0803 1860 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1511.0803 (pause 0.84) 1511.9226 1861 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1511.9226 came to Boulder and offered them- they- they liked the building. I mean, 1515.8369 1862 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1515.8369 (pause 1.79) 1517.6287 1863 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1517.6287 before the- 1518.2188 1864 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1518.2188 (pause 0.09) 1518.3110 1865 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1518.3110 I'm- I'm- 1518.6876 1866 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1518.6876 (pause 0.73) 1519.4220 1867 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1519.4220 before Boulder was there it used to be a drug store on the corner of Brooks and Genesee. 1523.4348 1868 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1523.4348 (pause 1.37) 1524.8066 1869 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1524.8066 Drug store moved out, 1525.9223 1870 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1525.9223 (pause 0.20) 1526.1256 1871 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1526.1256 and, uh- [and the building] [was-] 1527.6668 1872 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1526.6362 [It was b-] 1526.9996 1873 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1526.9996 (pause 0.44) 1527.4363 1874 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1527.4363 [boarded] up for years. 1528.4432 1875 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1528.5366 for years. I mean, the roof had caved in. It was like- it was a freaking mess. 1532.5577 1876 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1532.5577 (pause 0.62) 1533.1779 1877 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1533.1779 And- and nobody, nobody was interested in that- in that space. 1537.2861 1878 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1537.2861 (pause 1.73) 1539.0116 1879 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1539.0116 City comes along. 1540.2652 1880 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1540.2652 (pause 0.54) 1540.8089 1881 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1540.8089 The nineteenth ward also [had a hand] in it. 1542.9126 1882 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1542.0191 [Mm-hm.] 1542.4162 1883 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1543.9384 Um, 1544.2363 1884 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1544.2363 (pause 0.82) 1545.0589 1885 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1545.0589 they- 1545.5080 1886 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1545.5080 (pause 0.75) 1546.2605 1887 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1546.2605 they bought the building or the building was given to 'em by the city. They rehabbed the building. They, you know- they had fundraisers and blah blah blah. 1553.0027 1888 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1553.0027 (pause 2.36) 1555.3664 1889 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1555.3664 Really 1555.8439 1890 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1555.8439 (pause 0.17) 1556.0141 1891 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1556.0141 an absolute 1556.6334 1892 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1556.6334 (pause 0.18) 1556.8130 1893 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1556.8130 beautiful building. I mean, once they got it all done, it was a re- it- I mean, 1560.4304 1894 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1560.4304 (pause 0.48) 1560.9126 1895 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1560.9126 you could sit up- 1561.5445 1896 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1561.5445 (pause 0.10) 1561.6414 1897 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1561.6414 downstairs or [you could go] upstairs. It was a great building. Now all of a sudden 1565.3247 1898 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1562.3736 [Yeah.] 1562.7045 1899 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1565.7888 this Jewish 1566.5409 1900 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1566.5409 (pause 0.13) 1566.6709 1901 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1566.6709 community, this rabbi, 1568.3322 1902 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1568.3322 (pause 0.67) 1569.0002 1903 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1569.0002 all of a sudden, he's interested in the building, and it has to be that building, 1572.9721 1904 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1572.9721 (pause 0.57) 1573.5441 1905 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1573.5441 right. 1573.8467 1906 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1573.8467 (pause 0.38) 1574.2249 1907 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1574.2249 He can't- 1574.6740 1908 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1574.6740 (pause 0.41) 1575.0806 1909 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1575.0806 he can't go across the street where Boulder is now. 1577.6948 1910 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1577.6948 (pause 0.33) 1578.0258 1911 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1578.0258 It has to be this building. 1579.2794 1912 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1579.2794 (pause 0.31) 1579.5867 1913 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1579.5867 And he went to that guy who own- who was running it, 1581.8275 1914 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1581.8275 (pause 0.35) 1582.1821 1915 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1582.1821 who had gotten a special deal 1583.5199 1916 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1583.5199 (pause 0.37) 1583.8942 1917 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1583.8942 from the city, 1584.6979 1918 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1584.6979 (pause 0.48) 1585.1754 1919 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1585.1754 and offered him money, and the guy said no. 1586.9813 1920 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1586.9813 (pause 0.22) 1587.1987 1921 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1587.1987 /Like he, uh/, initially 1588.2104 1922 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1588.2104 (pause 0.23) 1588.4421 1923 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1588.4421 he said no. 1589.0708 1924 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1589.0708 (pause 0.50) 1589.5719 1925 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1589.5719 And- and- and my understanding was that he- 1591.9365 1926 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1591.9365 (pause 1.64) 1593.5769 1927 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1593.5769 he had entered into a d- 1594.8352 1928 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1594.8352 (pause 0.07) 1594.9097 1929 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1594.9097 a deal with the city that obligated him to stay in that building for a certain amount of time. 1599.6681 1930 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1599.8194 Mm. 1600.1787 1931 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1600.6940 And- 1600.9268 1932 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1600.9268 (pause 0.10) 1601.0308 1933 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1601.0308 and- 1601.4740 1934 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1601.4740 (pause 1.06) 1602.5358 1935 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1602.5358 and- 1602.8856 1936 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1602.8856 (pause 0.25) 1603.1362 1937 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1603.1362 but the Jewish community 1604.2991 1938 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1604.2991 (pause 0.33) 1604.6253 1939 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1604.6253 kept hitting him. 1605.3636 1940 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1605.3636 (pause 0.10) 1605.4629 1941 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1605.4629 Y- you know, they- 1606.1610 1942 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1606.1610 (pause 0.09) 1606.2461 1943 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1606.2461 they kept coming back. 1607.4280 1944 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1607.4280 (pause 0.12) 1607.5485 1945 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1607.5485 And they- 1608.2293 1946 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1608.2293 (pause 0.58) 1608.8067 1947 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1608.8067 they- they- I ge- I guess eventually hit him 1611.3226 1948 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1611.3226 (pause 0.35) 1611.6677 1949 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1611.6677 at a time when he was really vulnerable, like cash flow was not really all that good. 1615.8515 1950 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1615.8515 (pause 0.81) 1616.6655 1951 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1616.6655 And he, uh, 1617.5920 1952 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1617.5920 (pause 1.02) 1618.6084 1953 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1618.6084 he made a deal. He made a deal with the city, and, you know- 1621.5009 1954 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1621.5009 (pause 0.17) 1621.6734 1955 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1621.6734 and he s- and he sold the b- and he ended up selling the building. But 1624.4780 1956 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1624.4780 (pause 1.47) 1625.9510 1957 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1625.9510 y- I- 1626.2934 1958 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1626.2934 (pause 0.10) 1626.3939 1959 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1626.3939 the- really, that was a- that was a beautiful space. That was really 1629.3799 1960 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1629.3799 (pause 0.55) 1629.9328 1961 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1629.9328 h- h- 1630.3134 1962 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1630.4215 [Yeah.] 1630.7406 1963 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1630.6650 [you] know people /enjoyed-/ I en- 1631.9430 1964 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1632.1699 you know, I enjoyed going to th- 1633.2348 1965 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1633.2348 (pause 0.08) 1633.3169 1966 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1633.3169 and- and really 1634.4627 1967 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1634.4627 (pause 0.75) 1635.2097 1968 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1635.2097 w- what, 1635.7297 1969 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1635.7297 (pause 0.30) 1636.0331 1970 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1636.0331 you know- and then eventually, he's out of business in the- in 1638.8790 1971 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1638.8790 (pause 0.32) 1639.2005 1972 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1639.2005 the space that he was in, and 1640.6109 1973 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1640.6109 (pause 0.07) 1640.6798 1974 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1640.6798 ended up being sold to a- 1641.8148 1975 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1641.8816 Yeah 1642.1912 1976 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1642.3260 another party. And it's not n- nearly as- I mean, it's not- it was never as warm as 1646.5457 1977 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1646.5457 (pause 0.28) 1646.8293 1978 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1646.8293 [the original] building. 1647.7015 1979 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1646.9097 [Yeah.] 1647.2501 1980 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1648.0605 And 1648.2778 1981 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1648.2778 (pause 0.06) 1648.3393 1982 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1648.3393 even like it being owned by Boulder 1650.1513 1983 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1650.1513 (pause 0.07) 1650.2262 1984 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1650.2262 isn't 1650.5157 1985 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1650.5157 (pause 0.10) 1650.6117 1986 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1650.6117 ideal, 1651.2203 1987 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1651.2203 (pause 0.38) 1651.6044 1988 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1651.6044 but just the idea of like, 1653.5699 1989 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1653.5699 (pause 0.68) 1654.2546 1990 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1654.2546 not being able to have those spaces 1656.1860 1991 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1656.3077 But- 1656.4301 1992 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1656.5585 in our- 1657.0052 1993 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1657.1152 Right. 1657.2960 1994 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1657.4437 in [our] places 1658.2228 1995 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1657.5970 [Right.] 1657.7979 1996 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1658.2712 And- and really, I mean, w- you know, 1659.8023 1997 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1659.8023 (pause 0.32) 1660.1203 1998 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1660.1203 y- 1660.3094 1999 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1660.3094 (pause 0.20) 1660.5095 2000 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1660.5095 I- I liked 1661.2754 2001 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1661.2754 (pause 0.14) 1661.4148 2002 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1661.4148 the coffee house 1662.3083 2003 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1662.3083 (pause 0.45) 1662.7622 2004 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1662.7622 but a c- 1663.0631 2005 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1663.0631 (pause 0.12) 1663.1790 2006 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1663.1790 coffee house, I- I don't see that being a- 1665.0126 2007 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1665.0126 (pause 0.62) 1665.6367 2008 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1665.6367 you know, like a- 1666.4498 2009 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1666.4498 (pause 0.45) 1666.9045 2010 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1666.9045 a black attraction. I mean, I- I- 1668.6205 2011 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1668.6205 (pause 0.76) 1669.3769 2012 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1669.3769 I- I like it, but I think 1670.8330 2013 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1670.8330 (pause 0.32) 1671.1545 2014 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1671.1545 like everything else in that neighborhood, in that- in- in that 1674.5544 2015 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1674.5544 (pause 0.79) 1675.3438 2016 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1675.3438 area right there, 1676.3130 2017 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1676.3130 (pause 0.38) 1676.6912 2018 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1676.6912 that was u- that w- that really all was set up 1679.1771 2019 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1679.1771 (pause 0.09) 1679.2685 2020 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1679.2685 not for the community. 1680.6253 2021 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1680.6253 (pause 0.50) 1681.1264 2022 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1681.1264 It was set up for the U of [R.] 1682.5501 2023 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1682.4926 [Yeah.] 1682.7384 2024 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1682.8929 It's set up for the U of R 1684.1283 2025 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1684.1283 (pause 1.07) 1685.1934 2026 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1685.1934 students and their [families. The] hotel, that [was all set] up for the students and their families, 1690.3202 2027 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1686.8144 [Yeah.] 1687.0413 2028 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1687.0413 (pause 0.89) 1687.9328 2029 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1687.9328 [Mm-hm.] 1688.2779 2030 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1690.4951 right. 1690.8436 2031 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1690.8436 (pause 0.95) 1691.7952 2032 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1691.7952 And- and- 1692.4334 2033 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1692.4334 (pause 0.21) 1692.6414 2034 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1692.6414 a- I always wondered. I- I- you know, I- it's like- 1694.8074 2035 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1694.8074 (pause 0.54) 1695.3511 2036 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1695.3511 like- /ugh/ 1695.9231 2037 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1695.9231 (pause 0.60) 1696.5235 2038 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1696.5235 cause my- 1697.0813 2039 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1697.0813 (pause 0.37) 1697.4501 2040 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1697.4501 I- I have this 1698.3908 2041 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1698.3908 (pause 0.22) 1698.6083 2042 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1698.6083 vision of a U- 1700.1077 2043 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1700.1077 (pause 0.15) 1700.2590 2044 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1700.2590 like- 1700.5994 2045 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1700.5994 (pause 0.11) 1700.7129 2046 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1700.7129 like- 1700.9587 2047 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1700.9587 (pause 0.33) 1701.2837 2048 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1701.2837 U of R students 1702.6618 2049 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1702.6618 (pause 0.22) 1702.8780 2050 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1702.8780 moms and dads, I- it- 1704.4618 2051 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1704.4618 (pause 0.28) 1704.7454 2052 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1704.7454 the vision that I have is that they're not- 1706.1503 2053 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1706.1503 (pause 0.42) 1706.5663 2054 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1706.5663 they're not- these are not poor people. 1708.0838 2055 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1708.0838 (pause 0.48) 1708.5613 2056 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1708.5613 They're- that they're- that- 1709.6435 2057 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1709.6435 (pause 0.10) 1709.7452 2058 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1709.7452 that, 1710.0930 2059 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1710.0930 (pause 0.24) 1710.3294 2060 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1710.3294 um- 1710.7454 2061 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1710.7454 (pause 0.47) 1711.2162 2062 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1711.2162 that the- 1711.7268 2063 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1711.7268 (pause 0.39) 1712.1191 2064 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1712.1191 the U of R f- 1713.0126 2065 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1713.0126 (pause 0.21) 1713.2207 2066 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1713.2207 families are high end people. They're, you know- 1716.3085 2067 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1716.3085 (pause 0.70) 1717.0129 2068 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1717.0129 and I just wondered 1717.9726 2069 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1717.9726 (pause 0.37) 1718.3378 2070 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1718.3378 like- like, how the hell is that gonna work? 1720.3108 2071 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1720.3108 (pause 0.49) 1720.8024 2072 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1720.8024 Right? Because- 1721.6912 2073 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1721.6912 (pause 0.35) 1722.0363 2074 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1722.0363 cause literally, I- you know, 1723.1614 2075 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1723.1614 (pause 0.90) 1724.0652 2076 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1724.0652 y- y- 1724.3630 2077 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1724.3630 (pause 0.35) 1724.7129 2078 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1724.7129 y- 1724.9540 2079 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1724.9540 (pause 0.14) 1725.0899 2080 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1725.0899 you c- you can cross the street or y- even go a block 1727.7905 2081 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1727.7905 (pause 0.53) 1728.3199 2082 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1728.3199 down the street, and you're like in a totally different neighborhood. You're like- 1732.0035 2083 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1732.0035 (pause 0.54) 1732.5471 2084 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1732.5471 like- 1732.8071 2085 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1732.8071 (pause 0.31) 1733.1144 2086 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1733.1144 like this thing that this 1734.2396 2087 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1734.2396 (pause 0.75) 1734.9865 2088 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1734.9865 utopia that they were trying to build there on that- 1737.6773 2089 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1737.6773 (pause 0.50) 1738.1784 2090 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1738.1784 on those four corners. 1739.2515 2091 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1739.2515 (pause 0.37) 1739.6250 2092 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1739.6250 I just didn't see how it was ever gonna work. And it was just- it was- 1742.1172 2093 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1742.1172 (pause 0.50) 1742.6136 2094 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1742.6136 it- it seemed to me- and I- and I- I had 1744.7894 2095 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1744.7894 (pause 0.08) 1744.8721 2096 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1744.8721 some of the same 1745.6864 2097 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1745.6864 (pause 1.07) 1746.7562 2098 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1746.7562 worries that you had. 1748.2312 2099 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1748.2312 (pause 0.40) 1748.6331 2100 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1748.6331 Is a- is like, you know, 1749.4896 2101 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1749.4896 (pause 0.37) 1749.8583 2102 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1749.8583 i- 1750.0513 2103 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1750.0513 (pause 0.08) 1750.1317 2104 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1750.1317 i- it's a haven for m- muggings. I mean it's just- it's just a- 1753.1817 2105 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1753.1817 (pause 0.57) 1753.7504 2106 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1753.7504 y- you know, 1754.3272 2107 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1754.3272 (pause 0.31) 1754.6344 2108 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1754.6344 l- you know, like these people are gonna be walking down the street, a- and they're gonna d- you know, 1759.0838 2109 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1759.0838 (pause 0.57) 1759.6559 2110 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1759.6559 you know, somebody's- somebody's gonna get hurt, 1761.3436 2111 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1761.3436 (pause 0.39) 1761.7312 2112 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1761.7312 right. 1762.0196 2113 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1762.0196 (pause 2.51) 1764.5307 2114 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1764.5307 Th- the- 1765.1311 2115 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1765.1311 (pause 0.53) 1765.6606 2116 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1765.6606 I- I think the utopia experiment that they tried, 1768.5916 2117 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1768.5916 (pause 0.28) 1768.8666 2118 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1768.8666 y- you know, and they- they got those buildings on Plymouth and then I think they they did some- 1772.3792 2119 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1772.3792 (pause 0.35) 1772.7243 2120 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1772.7243 some more 1773.2443 2121 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1773.2443 (pause 0.29) 1773.5374 2122 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1773.5374 building 1774.1205 2123 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1774.1205 (pause 0.12) 1774.2363 2124 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1774.2363 deeper into- into- into that neighborhood. 1776.5421 2125 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1776.5421 (pause 0.53) 1777.0763 2126 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1777.0763 I think that experiment 1778.3252 2127 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1778.3252 (pause 0.79) 1779.1194 2128 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1779.1194 led to College Town, 1780.5140 2129 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1780.5140 (pause 0.23) 1780.7398 2130 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1780.7398 right. [Because] they- 1781.6593 2131 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1780.9998 [Mm.] 1781.2456 2132 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1781.9587 I just- 1782.2849 2133 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1782.2849 (pause 0.41) 1782.6915 2134 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1782.6915 it- it just didn't- you know, they realized, you know, what- what the hell? I mean, this is- this is not- 1786.5916 2135 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1786.5916 (pause 0.29) 1786.8808 2136 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1786.8808 this not working out the way that- 1788.0249 2137 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1788.0249 (pause 0.53) 1788.5544 2138 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1788.5544 I mean that whole- 1789.3864 2139 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1789.3864 (pause 0.89) 1790.2799 2140 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1790.2799 that building where the coffee shop is now, that whole- 1793.1125 2141 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1793.1125 (pause 0.32) 1793.4339 2142 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1793.4339 that was supposed to be like U of R office space. 1795.8166 2143 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1795.8166 (pause 0.48) 1796.2990 2144 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1796.2990 [Never happened.] 1797.1547 2145 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1796.3264 [Mm.] 1796.8015 2146 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1797.3461 Never happened. I mean, the second floor- 1799.4109 2147 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1799.6851 Yeah. 1799.9372 2148 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1799.9461 the d- the- the first floor was supposed to be like 1802.2879 2149 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1802.2879 (pause 0.39) 1802.6828 2150 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1802.6828 restaurants and 1803.8678 2151 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1803.8678 (pause 0.35) 1804.2129 2152 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1804.2129 coffee shop, and, you know a- or, you know, 1806.2504 2153 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1806.2504 (pause 0.52) 1806.7657 2154 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1806.7657 you know, places. 1807.4323 2155 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1807.4323 (pause 0.75) 1808.1792 2156 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1808.1792 But they could never attract like, 1809.9952 2157 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1809.9952 (pause 0.12) 1810.1158 2158 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1810.1158 you know, Applebee's, or, you know, like- 1812.5648 2159 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1812.5648 (pause 0.11) 1812.6770 2160 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1812.6770 like these solid franchises 1814.5399 2161 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1814.5399 (pause 0.44) 1814.9843 2162 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1814.9843 to like, come into the- they- 1816.2345 2163 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1816.2345 (pause 0.12) 1816.3563 2164 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1816.3563 th- th- you know, 1817.0246 2165 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1817.0246 (pause 0.35) 1817.3792 2166 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1817.3792 they could never attract 'em. And so you ended up with- 1819.6823 2167 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1819.6823 (pause 0.95) 1820.6278 2168 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1820.6278 y- 1820.8819 2169 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1820.8819 (pause 0.09) 1820.9717 2170 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1820.9717 you ended up with like, 1822.1867 2171 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1822.1867 (pause 0.09) 1822.2782 2172 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1822.2782 y- you know, Subway, you know, tried it. 1824.3483 2173 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1824.3483 (pause 0.57) 1824.9156 2174 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1824.9156 Um, California Rollin 1826.3260 2175 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1826.3260 (pause 0.09) 1826.4111 2176 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1826.4111 tried it 1826.9256 2177 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1826.9256 (pause 0.32) 1827.2504 2178 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1827.2504 and didn't succeed. 1828.3803 2179 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1828.3803 (pause 0.26) 1828.6403 2180 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1828.6403 Th- you know 1829.1176 2181 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1829.1176 (pause 0.15) 1829.2700 2182 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1829.2700 I mean, they just couldn't attract. 1830.2835 2183 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1830.2835 (pause 0.33) 1830.6097 2184 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1830.6097 And that's why- 1831.3661 2185 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1831.3661 (pause 0.33) 1831.6970 2186 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1831.6970 that's why they- 1832.6189 2187 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1832.6189 (pause 0.18) 1832.8032 2188 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1832.8032 that's why the- I think that's why they built College Town is because 1835.9242 2189 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1835.9242 (pause 0.48) 1836.4064 2190 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1836.4064 that's a safer, 1837.7159 2191 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1837.7159 (pause 0.16) 1837.8719 2192 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1837.8719 safer, safer neighborhood for 1839.5132 2193 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1839.5132 (pause 0.53) 1840.0474 2194 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1840.0474 U of R families. 1841.0165 2195 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1841.0165 (pause 0.44) 1841.4562 2196 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1841.4562 And in spite of that, 1842.5293 2197 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1842.5293 (pause 0.27) 1842.8035 2198 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1842.8035 it- 1842.9784 2199 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1842.9784 (pause 0.24) 1843.2195 2200 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1843.2195 it doesn't seem to be working. 1844.1225 2201 ROC_int_01 1844.9413 [I was] just gonna say that. I feel like, uh, I think two or three of the things that were in [there already] [closed.] 1850.5663 2202 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1844.9478 [] 1845.1765 2203 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1849.4977 [Mm-hm.] 1849.8239 2204 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1850.2482 [Yup.] 1850.4373 2205 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1850.3226 [Mm-hm.] 1850.6157 2206 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1850.8689 Yup. 1851.2140 2207 ROC_int_01 1851.7860 And I'm [just like], 1852.6322 2208 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1852.1465 [Yup.] 1852.3072 2209 ROC_int_01 1853.0530 this is not serving- 1854.4192 2210 ROC_int_01 1854.4192 (pause 0.46) 1854.8825 2211 ROC_int_01 1854.8825 I mean it's bad enough that you're just trying to serve 1857.3653 2212 ROC_int_01 1857.3653 (pause 0.41) 1857.7718 2213 ROC_int_01 1857.7718 the U of R community, 1858.9821 2214 ROC_int_01 1858.9821 (pause 0.47) 1859.4501 2215 ROC_int_01 1859.4501 but it's not even [serving them.] 1861.1529 2216 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1860.4627 [Right.] 1860.6447 2217 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1860.6730 [Mm-hm.] 1861.3136 2218 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1860.9425 [Right.] 1861.1245 2219 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1861.3585 Right. 1861.5169 2220 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1861.5169 (pause 0.47) 1861.9884 2221 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1861.9884 But it- see- 1862.5368 2222 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1862.5368 (pause 0.47) 1863.0096 2223 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1863.0096 but it's i- 1863.3539 2224 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1863.3539 (pause 0.90) 1864.2557 2225 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1864.2557 in- in my- i- in my opinion, 1866.3641 2226 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1866.3641 (pause 2.10) 1868.4640 2227 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1868.4640 they- they didn't set up- 1870.0199 2228 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1870.0199 (pause 0.08) 1870.0967 2229 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1870.0967 they didn't set it up in a way where it's- 1871.8691 2230 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1871.8691 (pause 0.11) 1871.9826 2231 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1871.9826 cause- 1872.1989 2232 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1872.1989 (pause 0.39) 1872.5858 2233 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1872.5858 cause really 1873.2240 2234 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1873.2240 (pause 0.18) 1873.4084 2235 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1873.4084 I drive down that way, and- and often, the- it's like, you know, 1876.0605 2236 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1876.0605 (pause 0.08) 1876.1408 2237 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1876.1408 damn, I'd like to try that, 1877.2162 2238 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1877.2162 (pause 0.07) 1877.2859 2239 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1877.2859 but where am I parking? 1878.3230 2240 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1878.4837 Mm-hm. 1878.8950 2241 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1878.8975 Right, y- there's no place for you to go. 1880.5033 2242 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1880.5033 (pause 0.21) 1880.7113 2243 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1880.7113 I mean, I can't- 1881.2601 2244 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1881.2601 (pause 0.33) 1881.5886 2245 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1881.5886 I can't just pull over and park on the street. 1883.6545 2246 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1883.6545 (pause 0.49) 1884.1490 2247 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1884.1490 I'm- and I don't- I don't know 1885.5105 2248 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1885.5105 (pause 0.44) 1885.9478 2249 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1885.9478 if there's a parking lot 1886.9693 2250 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1886.9693 (pause 0.13) 1887.0946 2251 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1887.0946 back behind those buildings or not. I never tried. 1889.5529 2252 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1890.1041 Well and then you got the hospital, and you're already competing for a- a h- parking at the hospital. 1892.8862 2253 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1893.1726 You know, 1893.4941 2254 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1893.4941 (pause 0.08) 1893.5697 2255 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1893.5697 [it's just-] it just c- 1894.5719 2256 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1893.6052 [Yeah.] 1893.8274 2257 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1894.6594 it just- 1895.1314 2258 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1895.1314 (pause 0.25) 1895.3819 2259 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1895.3819 I- you know, it was r- you know, 1896.6489 2260 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1896.6489 (pause 2.29) 1898.9417 2261 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1898.9417 seemed like a good idea to somebody, but they didn't- I don't know that- well, from my 1902.8758 2262 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1902.8758 (pause 1.07) 1903.9490 2263 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1903.9490 observation, 1904.7054 2264 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1904.7054 (pause 0.40) 1905.1025 2265 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1905.1025 they didn't plan it out. I mean they didn't 1906.6068 2266 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1906.6068 (pause 0.09) 1906.6943 2267 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1906.6943 like go to the next level. Well, you know, how- Alright, 1908.9042 2268 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1908.9042 (pause 0.54) 1909.4417 2269 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1909.4417 so you got these really cool shops and stores 1911.7638 2270 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1911.7638 (pause 0.45) 1912.2129 2271 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1912.2129 and bakeries up in here, 1913.5791 2272 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1913.5791 (pause 0.93) 1914.5104 2273 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1914.5104 but how are you gonna- how are you gonna 1916.0705 2274 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1916.0705 (pause 0.85) 1916.9243 2275 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1916.9243 get people to stop. I mean I- you know, it just- it just- 1920.1417 2276 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1920.2410 Yeah. 1920.5246 2277 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1921.3141 I don't get it. 1921.8294 2278 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1921.8294 (pause 0.35) 1922.1792 2279 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1922.1792 I mean, 1922.5574 2280 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1922.5574 (pause 0.23) 1922.7843 2281 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 1922.7843 I don't get i- you know. 1923.6077 2282 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1926.2788 Um, 1926.7232 2283 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1926.7232 (pause 1.98) 1928.7032 2284 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1928.7032 uh, I don't know, 1929.5400 2285 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1929.5400 (pause 0.47) 1930.0123 2286 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1930.0123 y- 1930.1542 2287 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1930.1542 (pause 0.10) 1930.2511 2288 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1930.2511 you're a little bit younger than me. 1931.2263 2289 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1931.2263 (pause 0.65) 1931.8787 2290 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1931.8787 Um, 1932.3798 2291 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1932.3798 (pause 0.77) 1933.1518 2292 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1933.1518 b- 1933.3102 2293 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1933.3102 (pause 0.08) 1933.3917 2294 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1933.3917 I don't know if you were around when like Java's 1935.2652 2295 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1935.2652 (pause 0.18) 1935.4460 2296 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1935.4460 were ha- 1935.8220 2297 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1935.8220 (pause 0.06) 1935.8859 2298 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1935.8859 was having the open mic nights. 1937.6802 2299 ROC_int_01 1937.9484 Yeah. 1938.1375 2300 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1938.3077 Yeah. 1938.6341 2301 ROC_int_01 1938.6519 Mm-hm. 1938.9028 2302 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1939.2723 Um, 1939.7254 2303 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1939.7254 (pause 0.32) 1940.0429 2304 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1940.0429 1940.3504 2305 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1940.3504 (pause 0.14) 1940.4887 2306 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1940.4887 that has always been like to me 1942.5300 2307 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1942.5300 (pause 0.51) 1943.0419 2308 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1943.0419 one of 1943.7901 2309 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1943.7901 (pause 0.08) 1943.8704 2310 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1943.8704 th- just like the epitome of 1945.4768 2311 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1945.4768 (pause 1.88) 1947.3526 2312 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1947.3526 what I want to see, I guess, you know. And that's what I want to see in black spaces. 1950.9580 2313 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1950.9580 (pause 0.49) 1951.4496 2314 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1951.4496 Um, I loved 1952.5147 2315 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1952.5147 (pause 0.26) 1952.7771 2316 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1952.7771 that. It was, um- 1953.9970 2317 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1953.9970 (pause 1.43) 1955.4237 2318 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1955.4237 they 1956.1009 2319 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1956.1009 (pause 0.33) 1956.4318 2320 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1956.4318 had like the different aspects of hip hop. So they 1958.8539 2321 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1958.8539 (pause 0.41) 1959.2616 2322 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1959.2616 would have DJ, 1960.3421 2323 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1960.3421 (pause 0.24) 1960.5855 2324 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1960.5855 um, like 1961.1601 2325 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1961.1601 (pause 0.21) 1961.3717 2326 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1961.3717 you know, spinning music. 1962.3255 2327 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1962.3255 (pause 0.10) 1962.4295 2328 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1962.4295 They would have emcees 1963.6257 2329 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1963.6257 (pause 0.11) 1963.7321 2330 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1963.7321 like rhyming and rapping over, 1965.3562 2331 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1965.3562 (pause 0.12) 1965.4746 2332 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1965.4746 um, 1965.7618 2333 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1965.7618 (pause 0.08) 1965.8457 2334 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1965.8457 the music. 1966.4827 2335 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1966.4827 (pause 0.29) 1966.7699 2336 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1966.7699 Then they had break dancers who like, in the summer, when it was outside, 1969.8396 2337 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1969.8396 (pause 0.38) 1970.2240 2338 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1970.2240 brought their own linoleum, and like l- 1971.8587 2339 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1971.8587 (pause 0.28) 1972.1388 2340 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1972.1388 laid it on the floor and were break dancing 1974.0820 2341 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1974.0820 (pause 0.08) 1974.1647 2342 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1974.1647 to all of this stuff, like 1975.1530 2343 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1975.1530 (pause 0.48) 1975.6364 2344 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1975.6364 and in the winter, they would continue it. I- 1977.4909 2345 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1977.4909 (pause 0.12) 1977.6129 2346 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1977.6129 I don't know if you have ever been in Java's, 1979.1459 2347 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1979.1459 (pause 0.42) 1979.5631 2348 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1979.5631 um, downtown, but like 1980.8173 2349 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1980.8173 (pause 0.37) 1981.1864 2350 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1981.1864 they have a tiny area where the bathroom is 1983.3396 2351 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1983.3396 (pause 0.53) 1983.8705 2352 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1983.8705 and they would 1984.2759 2353 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1984.2759 (pause 0.20) 1984.4792 2354 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1984.4792 do this like 1985.2748 2355 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1985.2748 (pause 0.37) 1985.6471 2356 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1985.6471 in this very tiny space. 1987.1790 2357 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1987.1790 (pause 0.84) 1988.0228 2358 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1988.0228 Breakers would be doing windmills when you're like, coming out of the [bathroom door.] 1991.0075 2359 ROC_int_01 1990.5391 [] [No.] (laughing) 1991.9148 2360 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1991.3800 [Like, it was amazing.] 1992.2995 2361 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1992.7984 And, um, 1993.7203 2362 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1993.7203 (pause 0.46) 1994.1755 2363 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1994.1755 you know, that 1994.7251 2364 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1994.7251 (pause 0.50) 1995.2250 2365 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1995.2250 all fell apart, but like there was 1996.7581 2366 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1996.7581 (pause 0.49) 1997.2500 2367 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1997.2500 such beautiful art scene. 1999.0029 2368 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1999.0029 (pause 0.48) 1999.4815 2369 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1999.4815 Um, 1999.8408 2370 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1999.8408 (pause 0.11) 1999.9543 2371 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 1999.9543 I d- have never- you know, I don't write. You know, I haven't g- 2002.5465 2372 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2002.5465 (pause 0.12) 2002.6683 2373 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2002.6683 I've never gotten involved 2003.8220 2374 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2003.8220 (pause 0.57) 2004.3964 2375 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2004.3964 in the arts, but like 2005.5288 2376 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2005.5288 (pause 0.39) 2005.9141 2377 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2005.9141 y- there was even- you know, we could just come and enjoy it, and like 2008.6931 2378 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2008.6931 (pause 0.58) 2009.2712 2379 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2009.2712 it- it was just a really beautiful thing. And that's the thi- that's what I've always wanted 2012.9543 2380 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2012.9543 (pause 0.74) 2013.6932 2381 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2013.6932 to like see in our spaces. Like the places where we can be creative and like 2017.0348 2382 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2017.0348 (pause 0.53) 2017.5690 2383 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2017.5690 share our arts, enjoy 2019.1754 2384 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2019.1754 (pause 0.13) 2019.3089 2385 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2019.3089 our arts, you know. 2020.3633 2386 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2020.3633 (pause 0.41) 2020.7782 2387 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2020.7782 And so that- that was what I like- 2022.2262 2388 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2022.2262 (pause 0.85) 2023.0726 2389 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2023.0726 I felt that that Boulder had the potential for. 2025.2226 2390 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2025.2226 (pause 0.12) 2025.3420 2391 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2025.3420 Um, 2025.7511 2392 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2025.7511 (pause 1.11) 2026.8562 2393 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2026.8562 and, uh- 2027.7180 2394 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2027.7180 (pause 0.15) 2027.8704 2395 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2027.8704 but yeah, I've never seen anything like that recreated 2029.9720 2396 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2029.9720 (pause 0.56) 2030.5336 2397 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2030.5336 and- and just any- 2031.3243 2398 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2031.3243 (pause 0.08) 2031.4058 2399 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2031.4058 you know, like 2031.8090 2400 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2031.8090 (pause 1.00) 2032.8077 2401 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2032.8077 w- 2033.0479 2402 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2033.0479 (pause 0.11) 2033.1578 2403 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2033.1578 like I said, 2033.6837 2404 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2033.6837 (pause 0.09) 2033.7759 2405 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2033.7759 I feel like we're never good enough to have 2035.6399 2406 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2035.6399 (pause 0.31) 2035.9460 2407 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2035.9460 those type of spaces created 2037.4472 2408 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2037.4472 (pause 0.22) 2037.6684 2409 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2037.6684 in our- 2038.2322 2410 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2038.2322 (pause 0.64) 2038.8704 2411 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2038.8704 in our homes, you know. 2039.9839 2412 ROC_int_01 2040.9922 So 2041.5489 2413 ROC_int_01 2041.5489 (pause 0.44) 2041.9901 2414 ROC_int_01 2041.9901 now if someone wanted to go to an event 2044.7400 2415 ROC_int_01 2044.7400 (pause 0.13) 2044.8686 2416 ROC_int_01 2044.8686 such as the ones like you described, where could 2047.2085 2417 ROC_int_01 2047.2085 (pause 0.45) 2047.6564 2418 ROC_int_01 2047.6564 they expect to go see those [sort of] 2049.5690 2419 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2049.0505 [Yeah.] 2049.4097 2420 ROC_int_01 2049.8305 shows? 2050.4072 2421 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2050.5519 Y- you know, I, um, 2051.5844 2422 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2051.5844 (pause 0.10) 2051.6837 2423 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2051.6837 y- I don't know if you know the radio station WAYO 2053.4945 2424 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2053.4945 (pause 0.08) 2053.5773 2425 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2053.5773 that just, um, started. It's a 2055.2084 2426 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2055.2084 (pause 0.10) 2055.3113 2427 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2055.3113 local, so 2055.9875 2428 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2055.9875 (pause 0.35) 2056.3350 2429 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2056.3350 it's a low frequency radio station. It only has like a four mile radius or something like that. 2060.5360 2430 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2060.5360 (pause 0.47) 2061.0028 2431 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2061.0028 Um, 2061.4342 2432 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2061.4342 (pause 0.18) 2061.6105 2433 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2061.6105 2061.8150 2434 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2061.8150 (pause 0.09) 2061.9012 2435 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2061.9012 I'm trying to steer away from one-o-four (laughing) cause I just get very frustrated, 2064.9970 2436 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2064.9970 (pause 0.10) 2065.0927 2437 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2065.0927 um, 2065.4709 2438 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2065.4709 (pause 0.66) 2066.1306 2439 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2066.1306 you know, the community station that plays like, horrendous music that is detrimental to the community, 2070.5146 2440 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2070.5146 (pause 0.26) 2070.7748 2441 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2070.7748 and also like the critique of what's going on in the community is 2073.4685 2442 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2073.4685 (pause 0.12) 2073.5928 2443 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2073.5928 really lacking. 2074.2168 2444 ROC_int_01 2074.3105 Yes. 2074.8256 2445 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2074.8739 Um, so, 2075.8716 2446 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2075.8716 (pause 0.42) 2076.2935 2447 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2076.2935 um, 2076.8504 2448 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2076.8504 (pause 0.14) 2076.9946 2449 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2076.9946 you know, I've been trying to like, 2078.3173 2450 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2078.3173 (pause 0.30) 2078.6152 2451 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2078.6152 um, I- 2079.0714 2452 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2079.0714 (pause 0.10) 2079.1718 2453 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2079.1718 you know, I have WAYO as like 2080.0431 2454 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2080.0431 (pause 0.09) 2080.1329 2455 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2080.1329 the main radio station, my go-to 2081.6943 2456 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2081.6943 (pause 0.10) 2081.7924 2457 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2081.7924 when I get in the car. 2082.5691 2458 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2082.5691 (pause 0.47) 2083.0383 2459 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2083.0383 And, um, a friend of mine, 2084.3043 2460 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2084.3043 (pause 0.07) 2084.3776 2461 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2084.3776 uh, 2084.8173 2462 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2084.8173 (pause 0.19) 2085.0028 2463 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2085.0028 /RD-NAME-3/, 2085.6471 2464 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2085.6471 (pause 0.41) 2086.0584 2465 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2086.0584 um, 2086.4035 2466 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2086.4035 (pause 0.18) 2086.5879 2467 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2086.5879 he ra- 2086.9968 2468 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2086.9968 (pause 0.08) 2087.0739 2469 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2087.0739 i- raps. 2087.7227 2470 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2087.7227 (pause 0.07) 2087.7889 2471 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2087.7889 He's also a- a teacher, a- a educator in the school district. And, um, 2091.1434 2472 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2091.1434 (pause 0.92) 2092.0643 2473 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2092.0643 he was on, 2093.1507 2474 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2093.1507 (pause 0.32) 2093.4721 2475 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2093.4721 uh, 2093.7322 2476 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2093.7322 (pause 0.18) 2093.9094 2477 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2093.9094 one of the shows the other day. 2095.4035 2478 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2095.4035 (pause 0.48) 2095.8834 2479 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2095.8834 And, um, so /RD-NAME-2/ is a little bit younger than me. He's, I think, a year 2099.5383 2480 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2099.5383 (pause 0.16) 2099.6955 2481 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2099.6955 behind me, 2100.2534 2482 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2100.2534 (pause 0.12) 2100.3715 2483 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2100.3715 and, 2100.7807 2484 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2100.7807 (pause 1.07) 2101.8469 2485 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2101.8469 um, 2102.1495 2486 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2102.1495 (pause 0.15) 2102.2996 2487 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2102.2996 I'm thirty just for some context. Um, 2104.6434 2488 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2104.6434 (pause 0.40) 2105.0476 2489 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2105.0476 but, um, 2105.7381 2490 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2105.7381 (pause 0.83) 2106.5727 2491 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2106.5727 so 2106.9781 2492 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2106.9781 (pause 0.56) 2107.5406 2493 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2107.5406 he was around, you know, like, in the hip hop scene, um, when I was, 2112.0607 2494 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2112.0607 (pause 0.43) 2112.4909 2495 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2112.4909 uh, 2112.8658 2496 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2112.8658 (pause 0.41) 2113.2759 2497 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2113.2759 you know, when I was enjoying it, and, 2114.5785 2498 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2114.5785 (pause 0.07) 2114.6518 2499 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2114.6518 um, you know, we were coming up around the same time. 2116.4236 2500 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2116.4236 (pause 0.39) 2116.8136 2501 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2116.8136 And he was being interviewed by a y- a young 2119.4248 2502 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2119.4248 (pause 0.12) 2119.5430 2503 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2119.5430 person 2120.0549 2504 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2120.0549 (pause 0.19) 2120.2429 2505 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2120.2429 who is like 2120.7038 2506 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2120.7038 (pause 0.20) 2120.9047 2507 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2120.9047 kind of 2121.2061 2508 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2121.2061 (pause 0.16) 2121.3656 2509 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2121.3656 currently I think he's- 2122.3326 2510 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2122.3326 (pause 0.12) 2122.4508 2511 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2122.4508 I think he was maybe twenty-two-ish. Um, 2124.6282 2512 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2124.6282 (pause 0.91) 2125.5335 2513 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2125.5335 and /RD-NAME-2/ asked that question. Like w- you know, what was it like? You know, for us, we- 2129.0134 2514 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2129.0134 (pause 0.08) 2129.0951 2515 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2129.0951 we- 2129.2783 2516 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2129.2783 (pause 0.10) 2129.3800 2517 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2129.3800 I feel like we had more spaces. Um, 2131.0927 2518 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2131.0927 (pause 0.40) 2131.4898 2519 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2131.4898 Dub Land Underground was a space where, um, 2133.6861 2520 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2133.6861 (pause 0.08) 2133.7641 2521 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2133.7641 people, you know, in- 2134.5619 2522 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2134.5619 (pause 0.11) 2134.6718 2523 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2134.6718 in the east end. 2135.5005 2524 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2135.5005 (pause 0.44) 2135.9437 2525 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2135.9437 That shut down, 2136.8800 2526 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2136.8800 (pause 0.12) 2137.0005 2527 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2137.0005 um, 2137.4567 2528 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2137.4567 (pause 0.16) 2137.6139 2529 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2137.6139 and I think has reopened. I don't know if it's the same or something else now. But 2140.5406 2530 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2140.5406 (pause 0.49) 2141.0276 2531 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2141.0276 he was asking like, what- where do you guys- where would you go? And 2143.5288 2532 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2143.5288 (pause 0.22) 2143.7486 2533 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2143.7486 so this y- this young guy was saying like, we had to go to open mics that were like 2147.7262 2534 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2147.7262 (pause 0.46) 2148.1884 2535 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2148.1884 pretty much poetry open mics, and we had to like go and prove ourselves 2151.5762 2536 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2151.5762 (pause 0.45) 2152.0218 2537 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2152.0218 there, 2152.6990 2538 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2152.6990 (pause 0.09) 2152.7924 2539 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2152.7924 um, 2153.2086 2540 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2153.2086 (pause 0.18) 2153.3859 2541 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2153.3859 not always successfully, were- weren't always accepted. Um, 2156.3599 2542 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2156.3599 (pause 0.79) 2157.1505 2543 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2157.1505 and, uh- 2158.0442 2544 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2158.0442 (pause 1.33) 2159.3741 2545 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2159.3741 but like hopefully prove ourselves enough 2161.1434 2546 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2161.1434 (pause 0.13) 2161.2771 2547 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2161.2771 that we could 2161.7049 2548 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2161.7049 (pause 0.16) 2161.8656 2549 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2161.8656 maybe build an audience, maybe 2163.7169 2550 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2163.7169 (pause 0.80) 2164.5123 2551 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2164.5123 try to use that space later on. And the- 2167.0147 2552 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2167.0147 (pause 0.08) 2167.0986 2553 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2167.0986 the guy didn't specify, but 2168.1944 2554 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2168.1944 (pause 0.33) 2168.5194 2555 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2168.5194 d- honestly I don't really- I don't know. I- I've seen, um, shows 2172.2014 2556 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2172.2014 (pause 0.50) 2172.7003 2557 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2172.7003 recently at like California Brew Haus, which I think is out 2175.2155 2558 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2175.2155 (pause 0.09) 2175.3077 2559 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2175.3077 like 2175.6873 2560 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2175.6873 (pause 0.62) 2176.3054 2561 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2176.3054 Ridge 2177.0287 2562 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2177.1468 [Mm-hm.] 2177.4605 2563 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2177.3457 [area], 2177.8409 2564 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2177.9142 um, like deep. 2178.5761 2565 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2178.5761 (pause 0.65) 2179.2239 2566 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2179.2239 Um, s- 2179.8054 2567 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2179.8054 (pause 0.17) 2179.9708 2568 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2179.9708 so, 2180.6175 2569 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2180.6175 (pause 1.59) 2182.2097 2570 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2182.2097 you know, there's nothing 2183.0899 2571 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2183.0899 (pause 0.13) 2183.2180 2572 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2183.2180 really, 2183.6376 2573 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2183.6376 (pause 0.09) 2183.7310 2574 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2183.7310 um, there's not a lot going on, 2185.3054 2575 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2185.3054 (pause 0.17) 2185.4709 2576 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2185.4709 um, within 2186.3445 2577 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2186.3445 (pause 0.29) 2186.6364 2578 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2186.6364 the city, within like a, 2188.0785 2579 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2188.0785 (pause 0.23) 2188.3054 2580 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2188.3054 um- 2188.5903 2581 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2188.5903 (pause 0.39) 2188.9838 2582 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2188.9838 a g- definitely not within, 2190.3006 2583 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2190.3006 (pause 0.24) 2190.5360 2584 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2190.5360 you know, black neighborhoods. 2191.5867 2585 ROC_int_01 2191.7107 Mm-hm. 2192.2591 2586 ROC_int_01 2192.2591 (pause 0.65) 2192.9059 2587 ROC_int_01 2192.9059 Mm. 2193.2262 2588 ROC_int_01 2193.2262 (pause 0.22) 2193.4423 2589 ROC_int_01 2193.4423 2193.5094 2590 ROC_int_01 2193.5094 (pause 0.12) 2193.6301 2591 ROC_int_01 2193.6301 Okay, and I guess, a more related question, but I think I kind of know the answer, is 2198.3064 2592 ROC_int_01 2198.3064 (pause 0.38) 2198.6893 2593 ROC_int_01 2198.6893 just 2199.1952 2594 ROC_int_01 2199.1952 (pause 0.18) 2199.3795 2595 ROC_int_01 2199.3795 w- 2199.6443 2596 ROC_int_01 2199.6443 (pause 0.19) 2199.8381 2597 ROC_int_01 2199.8381 what are there things t- what things are there to do, 2202.5761 2598 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2202.6990 Mm-hm. 2203.1056 2599 ROC_int_01 2203.2758 period. Right? Like what are the different scenes or activities 2206.9065 2600 ROC_int_01 2206.9065 (pause 0.14) 2207.0483 2601 ROC_int_01 2207.0483 people engage in here? What does Rochester 2209.5378 2602 ROC_int_01 2209.5378 (pause 0.28) 2209.8167 2603 ROC_int_01 2209.8167 have to offer that's 2211.0836 2604 ROC_int_01 2211.0836 (pause 0.14) 2211.2267 2605 ROC_int_01 2211.2267 for entertainment purposes I guess? 2213.1882 2606 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2213.7210 Yeah. 2214.0472 2607 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2214.0472 (pause 0.59) 2214.6397 2608 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2214.6397 So, 2215.0156 2609 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2215.0156 (pause 0.31) 2215.3276 2610 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2215.3276 um, 2215.9067 2611 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2215.9067 (pause 1.62) 2217.5263 2612 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2217.5263 there are 2218.6349 2613 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2218.6349 (pause 0.11) 2218.7436 2614 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2218.7436 some 2219.1336 2615 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2219.1336 (pause 0.15) 2219.2825 2616 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2219.2825 local like musicians, poets, um, 2221.6420 2617 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2221.6420 (pause 0.58) 2222.2258 2618 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2222.2258 that I'm interested in. And summers in Rochester like 2224.6822 2619 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2224.6822 (pause 0.69) 2225.3771 2620 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2225.3771 kind of 2225.9354 2621 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2225.9354 (pause 0.49) 2226.4246 2622 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2226.4246 can make you forget 2227.3891 2623 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2227.3891 (pause 1.07) 2228.4598 2624 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2228.4598 when you hate Rochester, [you know.] (laughing) 2230.0038 2625 ROC_int_01 2229.6256 [] 2230.1220 2626 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2230.5214 Um, 2231.0580 2627 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2231.0580 (pause 0.25) 2231.3062 2628 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2231.3062 so there's like- yesterday, I don't know what it is. There's that, um, 2235.2899 2629 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2235.2899 (pause 0.50) 2235.7934 2630 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2235.7934 party in the park that's on Thursdays, 2237.8101 2631 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2237.8101 (pause 0.60) 2238.4128 2632 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2238.4128 um, 2239.0061 2633 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2239.6089 Yeah, downtown. 2240.2920 2634 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2240.4409 yeah. 2241.0204 2635 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2241.0204 (pause 0.43) 2241.4483 2636 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2241.4483 So it's like in the MLK park now, 2243.4267 2637 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2243.4267 (pause 0.18) 2243.6092 2638 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2243.6092 and, um, 2244.4341 2639 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2244.4341 (pause 0.84) 2245.2732 2640 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2245.2732 it- 2245.7767 2641 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2245.7767 (pause 0.21) 2245.9871 2642 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2245.9871 there was something in that same space yesterday. 2248.2070 2643 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2248.2070 (pause 0.30) 2248.5049 2644 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2248.5049 Um, Suburban Plaza was playing, 2249.9637 2645 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2249.9637 (pause 0.61) 2250.5688 2646 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2250.5688 um, and you know, like, Danielle Ponder, stuff like that. So those are like things locally to look forward to. Um, 2255.8668 2647 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2255.8668 (pause 2.18) 2258.0434 2648 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2258.0434 /?/ 2258.3673 2649 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2258.3673 (pause 0.10) 2258.4646 2650 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2258.4646 and at the same time, it's like 2259.8109 2651 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2259.8109 (pause 0.08) 2259.8865 2652 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2259.8865 there used to be, um, 2261.6726 2653 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2261.6726 (pause 1.76) 2263.4328 2654 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2263.4328 you know, like 2263.8464 2655 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2263.8464 (pause 0.23) 2264.0781 2656 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2264.0781 space for the up and coming. And I don't- I don't what that space is. But, 2266.9150 2657 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2266.9150 (pause 0.61) 2267.5248 2658 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2267.5248 um, 2268.4159 2659 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2268.4159 (pause 0.09) 2268.5010 2660 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2268.5010 what was I gonna say? 2269.3439 2661 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2269.3439 (pause 3.29) 2272.6370 2662 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2272.6370 And I- I d- yeah, just like on a 2274.3866 2663 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2274.3866 (pause 2.12) 2276.5026 2664 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2276.5026 outside of like music and stuff. Oh, Tajze's is a place, um, you know, black owned, that does like open mic nights. 2281.8474 2665 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2281.8474 (pause 0.51) 2282.3532 2666 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2282.3532 Um, and I know that they are like other- there are like comedy open mics that like Joelle James and Yolanda Smilez, Uncle Trent, 2287.6961 2667 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2287.6961 (pause 0.20) 2287.8970 2668 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2287.8970 um, 2288.3651 2669 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2288.3651 (pause 1.15) 2289.5119 2670 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2289.5119 are involved with. 2290.6041 2671 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2290.6041 (pause 0.67) 2291.2776 2672 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2291.2776 Uh, but, 2292.0555 2673 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2292.0555 (pause 0.65) 2292.7010 2674 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2292.7010 um, 2293.2494 2675 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2293.2494 (pause 1.94) 2295.1904 2676 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2295.1904 I feel a little detached from like the black arts, 2297.8288 2677 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2297.8288 (pause 0.16) 2297.9919 2678 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2297.9919 um, 2298.3913 2679 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2298.3913 (pause 0.23) 2298.6230 2680 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2298.6230 you know, locally and- and where that is now. 2300.3036 2681 ROC_int_01 2301.8344 Okay. 2302.1785 2682 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2303.3036 D- w- can you think of any- 2304.4899 2683 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2304.9036 Well I- I was thinking 2305.9709 2684 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2305.9709 (pause 0.81) 2306.7841 2685 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2306.7841 a- I mean just in terms of like entertainment 2308.9587 2686 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2308.9587 (pause 0.85) 2309.8097 2687 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2309.8097 like the- 2310.3809 2688 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2310.3809 (pause 0.09) 2310.4755 2689 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2310.4755 the- 2310.6007 2690 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2310.6007 (pause 0.27) 2310.8702 2691 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2310.8702 the sports teams that are here, like the 2312.9751 2692 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2312.9751 (pause 0.17) 2313.1453 2693 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2313.1453 soccer [teams and the] 2314.3414 2694 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2313.8781 [Yeah.] 2314.2515 2695 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2314.7148 hockey teams. 2315.6470 2696 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2315.6470 (pause 0.84) 2316.4837 2697 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2316.4837 Um, 2316.7910 2698 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2316.7910 (pause 1.40) 2318.1951 2699 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2318.1951 um, 2318.7151 2700 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2318.7151 (pause 1.70) 2320.4170 2701 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2320.4170 in the summer, like you were saying, that i- that number of festivals that are- 2323.4907 2702 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2323.4907 (pause 0.20) 2323.6892 2703 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2323.6892 [that] happen 2324.4578 2704 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2323.7602 [Yeah.] 2324.0674 2705 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2324.7934 in the- in the summer here, 2326.1833 2706 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2326.1833 (pause 1.47) 2327.6536 2707 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2327.6536 um, 2327.9892 2708 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2327.9892 (pause 0.35) 2328.3343 2709 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2328.3343 you know, 2328.7173 2710 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2328.7173 (pause 0.22) 2328.9347 2711 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2328.9347 every now and then, like a 2330.3963 2712 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2330.3963 (pause 0.61) 2331.0015 2713 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2331.0015 big name 2331.5815 2714 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2331.5815 (pause 0.10) 2331.6772 2715 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2331.6772 act 2331.9139 2716 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2331.9139 (pause 0.36) 2332.2696 2717 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2332.2696 comes to town. 2333.1111 2718 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2333.1111 (pause 0.93) 2334.0428 2719 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2334.0428 Um, 2334.3147 2720 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2334.3147 (pause 1.34) 2335.6525 2721 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2335.6525 but 2335.8440 2722 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2335.8440 (pause 2.19) 2338.0309 2723 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2338.0309 yeah, 2338.2034 2724 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2338.2034 (pause 0.08) 2338.2838 2725 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2338.2838 really I mean there's- 2339.0851 2726 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2339.0851 (pause 0.12) 2339.2033 2727 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2339.2033 there- 2339.3664 2728 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2339.3664 (pause 0.29) 2339.6514 2729 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2339.6514 not a great deal 2340.4504 2730 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2340.4504 (pause 0.27) 2340.7198 2731 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2340.7198 to- 2340.9798 2732 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2340.9798 (pause 0.51) 2341.4861 2733 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2341.4861 to do. I- I- 2342.3678 2734 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2342.3678 (pause 0.07) 2342.4410 2735 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2342.4410 you know, the- 2342.8405 2736 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2342.8405 (pause 0.48) 2343.3156 2737 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2343.3156 the pace is 2344.0181 2738 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2344.0181 (pause 0.13) 2344.1434 2739 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2344.1434 slower here than it is in 2345.5190 2740 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2345.5190 (pause 0.08) 2345.5947 2741 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2345.5947 New York. 2346.1667 2742 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2346.1667 (pause 0.86) 2347.0275 2743 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2347.0275 There- 2347.2544 2744 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2347.2544 (pause 0.14) 2347.3915 2745 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2347.3915 I don't know what it's like in California, but, 2349.2116 2746 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2349.2116 (pause 0.53) 2349.7435 2747 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2349.7435 um, 2350.0724 2748 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2350.0724 (pause 1.11) 2351.1810 2749 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2351.1810 i- 2351.2827 2750 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2351.2827 (pause 0.09) 2351.3749 2751 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2351.3749 it's, 2351.7389 2752 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2351.7389 (pause 0.28) 2352.0225 2753 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2352.0225 you know, 2352.4338 2754 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2352.4338 (pause 0.10) 2352.5331 2755 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2352.5331 it's- it's a little slower 2353.9210 2756 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2353.9210 (pause 1.15) 2355.0710 2757 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2355.0710 here. And it- I was- 2356.1205 2758 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2356.1205 (pause 0.42) 2356.5422 2759 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2356.5422 when I was listening to you talking about, 2358.3357 2760 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2358.3357 (pause 2.45) 2360.7901 2761 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2360.7901 you know, 2361.0588 2762 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2361.0588 (pause 0.13) 2361.1923 2763 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2361.1923 coffee houses that used to do 2362.8040 2764 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2362.8040 (pause 0.18) 2362.9823 2765 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2362.9823 like things that, 2363.7954 2766 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2363.7954 (pause 2.23) 2366.0276 2767 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2366.0276 you know- 2366.4003 2768 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2366.4003 (pause 1.06) 2367.4648 2769 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2367.4648 that 2367.6444 2770 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2367.6444 (pause 0.35) 2367.9990 2771 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2367.9990 you liked and that 2369.0626 2772 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2369.0626 (pause 0.17) 2369.2376 2773 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2369.2376 they 2369.4787 2774 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2369.4787 (pause 0.75) 2370.2256 2775 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2370.2256 went away. I- it just seems- it just seems that 2372.7462 2776 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2372.7462 (pause 0.86) 2373.6018 2777 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2373.6018 like businesses are 2374.6135 2778 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2374.6135 (pause 0.83) 2375.4408 2779 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2375.4408 changing. I mean, 2376.4951 2780 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2376.4951 (pause 0.19) 2376.6889 2781 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2376.6889 you know, Java Joe's did it 2378.1836 2782 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2378.1836 (pause 0.41) 2378.5949 2783 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2378.5949 for a while, 2379.3324 2784 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2379.3324 (pause 0.35) 2379.6869 2785 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2379.6869 and now they don't. I mean things- 2381.0957 2786 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2381.0957 (pause 0.47) 2381.5685 2787 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2381.5685 things are changing. I- you know, you know, I just- 2383.7156 2788 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2383.7156 (pause 2.00) 2385.7153 2789 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2385.7153 you know, I- I'd like to think that if you build it, people will come, but that's not always true. 2389.6399 2790 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2389.6399 (pause 0.93) 2390.5665 2791 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2390.5665 Right. 2390.8313 2792 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2391.0866 Well yeah. You made me think 2392.0273 2793 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2392.0273 (pause 0.41) 2392.4374 2794 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2392.4374 of Rhino Stadium, 2393.6319 2795 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2393.6319 (pause 0.08) 2393.7099 2796 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2393.7099 that they put that [right] in the [hood.] 2395.2217 2797 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2394.5287 [Yeah.] 2394.6552 2798 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2394.6552 (pause 0.54) 2395.1957 2799 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2395.1957 [Right.] 2395.3588 2800 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2395.8255 [Right.] 2396.0420 2801 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2395.9598 [Um], 2396.3380 2802 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2396.5464 but 2396.7166 2803 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2396.7166 (pause 0.34) 2397.0594 2804 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2397.0594 not for the people [there.] 2398.5911 2805 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2398.3287 [No], 2398.5012 2806 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2398.5934 not- 2398.7400 2807 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2398.7400 (pause 0.22) 2398.9598 2808 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2398.9598 but yeah, because, uh, and I- and I- 2400.5416 2809 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2400.5416 (pause 0.14) 2400.6834 2810 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2400.6834 by and large 2401.3476 2811 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2401.3476 (pause 0.76) 2402.1064 2812 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2402.1064 n- 2402.2671 2813 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2402.2671 (pause 0.23) 2402.4992 2814 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2402.4992 black people are not 2403.2981 2815 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2403.2981 (pause 0.25) 2403.5463 2816 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2403.5463 soccer fans. [I mean-] 2404.8204 2817 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2404.3996 [Right.] 2404.7802 2818 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2405.5157 You know, I went to, 2406.8820 2819 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2406.8820 (pause 1.16) 2408.0402 2820 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2408.0402 um, I don't remember what that thing that 2409.6598 2821 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2409.6598 (pause 0.44) 2410.1041 2822 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2410.1041 one-o-four would do, but, you know, big concert. 2412.3667 2823 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2412.3667 (pause 0.50) 2412.8630 2824 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2412.8630 And for a while they were getting really good, 2414.8774 2825 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2414.8774 (pause 0.28) 2415.1586 2826 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2415.1586 um, pretty decent acts. 2416.2011 2827 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2416.2011 (pause 0.25) 2416.4516 2828 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2416.4516 And it would be like a two day, you know, like a f- all weekend thing. 2418.4730 2829 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2418.4730 (pause 0.50) 2418.9718 2830 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2418.9718 And I went one year where the headliner was The Roots. 2421.8205 2831 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2421.8205 (pause 0.56) 2422.3854 2832 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2422.3854 The [Roots.] 2423.4964 2833 ROC_int_01 2423.2186 [I went] to that. 2423.9798 2834 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2424.0270 The Roots. 2424.8354 2835 ROC_int_01 2424.9952 [Yes.] 2425.4774 2836 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2425.3563 [And] I don't know if you noticed this- 2427.1669 2837 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2427.4506 they were the headliner, so they were the last ones to go. 2429.5535 2838 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2429.5535 (pause 0.07) 2429.6244 2839 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2429.6244 And, 2430.1027 2840 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2430.1027 (pause 0.45) 2430.5565 2841 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2430.5565 um, 2431.1049 2842 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2431.1049 (pause 1.51) 2432.6185 2843 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2432.6185 at, 2433.2709 2844 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2433.2709 (pause 0.35) 2433.6160 2845 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2433.6160 um- 2434.0888 2846 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2434.0888 (pause 0.96) 2435.0532 2847 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2435.0532 at one point, like maybe halfway through their set, 2437.5785 2848 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2437.5785 (pause 0.48) 2438.0560 2849 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2438.0560 they opened up the gates, 2439.2331 2850 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2439.2331 (pause 0.45) 2439.6822 2851 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2439.6822 and they were like, 2440.6332 2852 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2440.6332 (pause 0.09) 2440.7278 2853 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2440.7278 w- 2440.7833 2854 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2440.7833 (pause 0.13) 2440.9133 2855 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2440.9133 you know, whether you paid or not, you can come in. 2442.6416 2856 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2442.6416 (pause 0.52) 2443.1583 2857 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2443.1583 Black people w- 2444.1983 2858 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2444.1983 (pause 0.36) 2444.5576 2859 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2444.5576 were like 2444.9752 2860 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2444.9752 (pause 0.15) 2445.1265 2861 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2445.1265 coming up 2445.7214 2862 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2445.7214 (pause 0.64) 2446.3608 2863 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2446.3608 and like 2446.8667 2864 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2446.8667 (pause 0.33) 2447.1999 2865 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2447.1999 turning away like, nah, 2448.4929 2866 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2448.4929 (pause 0.07) 2448.5614 2867 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2448.5614 but that's not me, 2449.2341 2868 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2449.2341 (pause 0.16) 2449.3902 2869 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2449.3902 like that's not my music. 2450.3286 2870 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2450.3286 (pause 0.80) 2451.1279 2871 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2451.1279 And- 2451.3359 2872 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2451.3359 (pause 0.19) 2451.5250 2873 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2451.5250 and like 2451.8489 2874 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2451.8489 (pause 0.12) 2451.9670 2875 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2451.9670 choosing not to come into a- (laughing) 2453.8065 2876 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2453.8065 (pause 0.42) 2454.2272 2877 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2454.2272 a free [Roots show] [like] 2455.6053 2878 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2454.7748 [a free-] 2455.3043 2879 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2455.3043 (pause 0.20) 2455.5028 2880 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2455.5028 [yeah.] 2455.8101 2881 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2456.2766 crazy. 2456.8655 2882 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2456.8655 (pause 0.36) 2457.2272 2883 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2457.2272 Um, 2457.7323 2884 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2457.7323 (pause 0.07) 2457.8062 2885 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2457.8062 so- I mean there's, 2458.7140 2886 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2458.7140 (pause 0.79) 2459.5039 2887 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2459.5039 you know- 2459.8561 2888 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2459.8561 (pause 0.52) 2460.3785 2889 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2460.3785 and that's an- a thing that frustrates me with one-o-four is like that we're pumping this like 2464.3003 2890 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2464.3003 (pause 0.26) 2464.5580 2891 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2464.5580 bullshit, 2465.1489 2892 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2465.1489 (pause 0.23) 2465.3758 2893 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2465.3758 um, 2465.7355 2894 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2465.7355 (pause 0.19) 2465.9223 2895 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2465.9223 that 2466.1846 2896 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2466.1846 (pause 0.37) 2466.5558 2897 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2466.5558 is like harmful 2467.7163 2898 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2467.7163 (pause 0.20) 2467.9149 2899 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2467.9149 to us as a people. 2468.8655 2900 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2468.8655 (pause 0.62) 2469.4848 2901 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2469.4848 Um, and then 2470.2814 2902 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2470.2814 (pause 0.25) 2470.5273 2903 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2470.5273 w- 2470.7045 2904 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2470.7045 (pause 0.14) 2470.8440 2905 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2470.8440 when like music 2472.0026 2906 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2472.0026 (pause 0.83) 2472.8370 2907 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2472.8370 that 2473.1585 2908 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2473.1585 (pause 0.11) 2473.2696 2909 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2473.2696 could be like inspirational and like, 2475.1137 2910 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2475.1137 (pause 0.26) 2475.3761 2911 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2475.3761 uh, 2475.6787 2912 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2475.6787 (pause 0.33) 2476.0096 2913 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2476.0096 you know positive f- and uplifting to us, 2478.4872 2914 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2478.4872 (pause 0.90) 2479.3878 2915 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2479.3878 people don't even want it for free. Like 2481.0499 2916 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2481.0499 (pause 0.45) 2481.5038 2917 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2481.5038 it's crazy. 2482.0545 2918 ROC_int_01 2482.7270 Yeah. 2483.0674 2919 ROC_int_01 2483.0674 (pause 0.55) 2483.6125 2920 ROC_int_01 2483.6125 [Yeah], I- I was seventeen or eighteen when that concert came out and I just remembered l- 2488.2918 2921 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2483.6740 [Yeah, but-] 2483.9458 2922 ROC_int_01 2488.8118 thinking like, 2489.6438 2923 ROC_int_01 2489.6438 (pause 0.37) 2490.0126 2924 ROC_int_01 2490.0126 why is this concert like so small? The crowd was- 2493.0051 2925 ROC_int_01 2493.0051 (pause 0.87) 2493.8758 2926 ROC_int_01 2493.8758 I don't e- 2494.3580 2927 ROC_int_01 2494.3580 (pause 0.12) 2494.4762 2928 ROC_int_01 2494.4762 like 2494.8969 2929 ROC_int_01 2494.8969 (pause 0.06) 2494.9599 2930 ROC_int_01 2494.9599 a- yeah. 2495.6294 2931 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2495.9207 Yeah. 2496.1949 2932 ROC_int_01 2496.1981 I don't even know what 2497.2855 2933 ROC_int_01 2497.2855 (pause 0.27) 2497.5556 2934 ROC_int_01 2497.5556 kind of number I could put at it, but it was small in comparison to 2500.6667 2935 ROC_int_01 2500.6667 (pause 0.10) 2500.7628 2936 ROC_int_01 2500.7628 how large that stadium was, yeah. 2503.3569 2937 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2504.0329 I will be attending that, um, 2506.0575 2938 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2506.0575 (pause 0.11) 2506.1650 2939 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2506.1650 DMX, Uncle Luke, 2507.2626 2940 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2507.2626 (pause 0.16) 2507.4186 2941 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2507.4186 Juvenile, 2508.1324 2942 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2508.1324 (pause 0.67) 2508.8037 2943 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2508.8037 um, 2509.2859 2944 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2509.2859 (pause 0.76) 2510.0465 2945 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2510.0465 which is like 2510.6374 2946 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2510.6374 (pause 0.69) 2511.3277 2947 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2511.3277 the r- most ratchet 2512.6277 2948 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2512.6277 (pause 0.28) 2512.9114 2949 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2512.9114 mu- but I mean 2513.8285 2950 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2513.8285 (pause 0.19) 2514.0176 2951 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2514.0176 I love that shit. 2515.0017 2952 ROC_int_01 2515.1118 [Yeah.] 2515.3198 2953 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2515.2381 [And] it's a problem. You know, like, 2516.6869 2954 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2516.9682 but at the same time, I also can be conscious like 2519.1007 2955 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2519.1007 (pause 0.06) 2519.1574 2956 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2519.1574 this is 2519.8476 2957 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2519.8476 (pause 0.38) 2520.2258 2958 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2520.2258 horrendous. The message 2521.4625 2959 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2521.4625 (pause 0.11) 2521.5712 2960 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2521.5712 i- 2521.6256 2961 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2521.6256 (pause 0.23) 2521.8596 2962 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2521.8596 in this music is horrendous. Um, 2523.3794 2963 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2523.3794 (pause 0.48) 2523.8546 2964 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2523.8546 and I love 2525.1503 2965 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2525.1503 (pause 0.18) 2525.3276 2966 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2525.3276 dancing to black music, especially music that I like grew up on. 2527.9494 2967 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2527.9494 (pause 0.81) 2528.7554 2968 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2528.7554 Um, 2529.2305 2969 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2529.2305 (pause 0.17) 2529.4031 2970 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2529.4031 but yeah, so I'm interested in seeing, 2530.8217 2971 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2530.8217 (pause 0.35) 2531.1669 2972 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2531.1669 you know, what that crowd is looking like. It- it's at 2532.8341 2973 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2532.6383 [Well], 2532.8069 2974 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2532.9345 Rhino [Stadium.] 2533.6894 2975 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2533.5712 [can] you call what you do dancing? 2535.2093 2976 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2536.7298 [Mm.] 2537.1552 2977 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2537.0573 [] 2537.6044 2978 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2537.7001 Oh, you think you're [funny.] 2539.1420 2979 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2538.9895 [] 2539.6041 2980 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2539.4587 [] 2541.4005 2981 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2542.2826 Um, 2542.7648 2982 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2542.7648 (pause 0.98) 2543.7481 2983 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2543.7481 yeah and the other thing from what you were saying is, um, 2546.4294 2984 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2546.4294 (pause 1.14) 2547.5723 2985 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2547.5723 you know, a lot of what we have 2548.7731 2986 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2548.7731 (pause 0.13) 2548.9031 2987 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2548.9031 is 2549.2364 2988 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2549.2364 (pause 0.44) 2549.6741 2989 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2549.6741 in the summer, 2550.4659 2990 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2550.4659 (pause 0.07) 2550.5321 2991 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2550.5321 and, uh, it's like h- people kind of 2552.2628 2992 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2552.2628 (pause 0.12) 2552.3833 2993 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2552.3833 hermit a little bit 2553.3194 2994 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2553.3194 (pause 0.11) 2553.4257 2995 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2553.4257 in the colder 2554.2081 2996 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2554.2081 (pause 0.18) 2554.3878 2997 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2554.3878 times. 2554.8298 2998 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2554.8298 (pause 0.97) 2555.7994 2999 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2555.7994 And 2556.4754 3000 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2556.4754 (pause 0.44) 2556.9198 3001 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2556.9198 another thing that c- I was thinking was, um, I went to Mendon Ponds today, 2560.0829 3002 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2560.0829 (pause 0.19) 2560.2743 3003 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2560.2743 and 2560.6029 3004 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2560.6029 (pause 0.83) 2561.4377 3005 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2561.4377 I- I play rugby, so I've been there to like 2563.2980 3006 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2563.2980 (pause 0.40) 2563.6998 3007 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2563.6998 play rugby. I've been there for picnics and stuff. 2565.4234 3008 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2565.4234 (pause 0.51) 2565.9292 3009 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2565.9292 But I like actually went 2567.1253 3010 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2567.1253 (pause 0.18) 2567.3073 3011 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2567.3073 in the trails around the pond, and it was beautiful. 2569.4280 3012 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2569.4280 (pause 0.10) 2569.5320 3013 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2569.5320 And 2569.9173 3014 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2569.9173 (pause 0.81) 2570.7308 3015 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2570.7308 we have so much beautiful green space 2573.4775 3016 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2573.4775 (pause 0.12) 2573.5984 3017 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2573.5984 very close to us, and 2575.0261 3018 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2575.0261 (pause 0.29) 2575.3192 3019 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2575.3192 even that is 2576.3664 3020 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2576.3664 (pause 0.30) 2576.6623 3021 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2576.6623 somewhat inaccessible. You know, like there's no buses 2578.7896 3022 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2578.7896 (pause 0.12) 2578.9054 3023 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2578.9054 going 2579.3546 3024 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2579.3546 (pause 0.21) 2579.5677 3025 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2579.5677 out to Mendon Ponds. 2580.7401 3026 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2580.7401 (pause 0.13) 2580.8654 3027 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2580.8654 Um, 2581.2861 3028 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2581.2861 (pause 1.17) 2582.4566 3029 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2582.4566 but yeah, you know, that was another thing that I was thinking about. 2584.0510 3030 ROC_int_01 2584.6844 Yeah. 2585.0295 3031 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2585.7521 And- and, you know, I mean, 2586.8985 3032 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2586.8985 (pause 0.19) 2587.0923 3033 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2587.0923 2587.5083 3034 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2587.5083 (pause 1.49) 2589.0015 3035 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2589.0015 um, 2589.3844 3036 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2589.3844 (pause 1.09) 2590.4717 3037 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2590.4717 uh, we- 2591.0587 3038 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2591.0587 (pause 0.09) 2591.1509 3039 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2591.1509 we have a- 2591.7359 3040 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2591.7359 (pause 0.18) 2591.9179 3041 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2591.9179 you know, like a river that goes through the city. 2594.1794 3042 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2594.1794 (pause 0.63) 2594.8137 3043 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2594.8137 We ha- we have a- 2595.6269 3044 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2595.6269 (pause 0.23) 2595.8585 3045 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2595.8585 a l- 2596.1481 3046 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2596.1481 (pause 0.10) 2596.2474 3047 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2596.2474 a l- 2596.4861 3048 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2596.4861 (pause 0.13) 2596.6185 3049 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2596.6185 lake 2597.1349 3050 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2597.1349 (pause 0.27) 2597.4080 3051 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2597.4080 a- and, [you know-] 2598.1324 3052 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2597.7448 [Yeah.] 2598.0154 3053 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2598.3263 and, 2598.6146 3054 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2598.6146 (pause 0.21) 2598.8226 3055 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2598.8226 you know, there are- 2599.4335 3056 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2599.4335 (pause 0.10) 2599.5375 3057 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2599.5375 there are things 2600.3071 3058 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2600.3071 (pause 1.50) 2601.8085 3059 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2601.8085 that are attractive, like, you know, like- 2603.7278 3060 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2603.7278 (pause 0.37) 2604.1021 3061 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2604.1021 like you were saying, 2604.7782 3062 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2604.7782 (pause 0.17) 2604.9483 3063 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2604.9483 Mendon. 2605.3171 3064 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2605.3171 (pause 0.96) 2606.2767 3065 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2606.2767 E- 2606.4436 3066 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2606.4436 (pause 0.10) 2606.5415 3067 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2606.5415 There are 2606.8488 3068 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2606.8488 (pause 0.13) 2606.9812 3069 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2606.9812 things that 2607.5485 3070 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2607.5485 (pause 1.71) 2609.2551 3071 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2609.2551 you- 2609.5009 3072 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2609.5009 (pause 0.63) 2610.1305 3073 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2610.1305 you can do, but 2611.0854 3074 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2611.0854 (pause 0.55) 2611.6386 3075 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2611.6386 you gotta have 2612.1349 3076 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2612.1349 (pause 0.42) 2612.5557 3077 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2612.5557 mobility. Y- y- I'm- you know, 2614.3899 3078 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2615.3733 And [time] and 2616.4622 3079 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2615.5640 [I mean y-] 2616.0745 3080 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2616.6816 y- [you can take] [the bus], but I mean 2618.3447 3081 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2616.9672 [yeah], 2617.3218 3082 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2617.3218 (pause 0.12) 2617.4423 3083 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2617.4423 [h-] 2617.5309 3084 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2618.7715 even i- 2619.2372 3085 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2619.2372 (pause 0.60) 2619.8376 3086 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2619.8376 even when I 2620.5660 3087 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2620.5660 (pause 0.38) 2620.9442 3088 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2620.9442 didn't have a 2621.6179 3089 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2621.6179 (pause 0.09) 2621.7053 3090 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2621.7053 car, 2622.4003 3091 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2622.4003 (pause 0.65) 2623.0515 3092 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2623.0515 the thought of 2623.8079 3093 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2623.8079 (pause 0.13) 2623.9355 3094 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2623.9355 like, well, yeah, maybe I'll go to the lake. But then 2626.2737 3095 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2626.2737 (pause 0.59) 2626.8646 3096 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2626.8646 at the same time, I'm thinking, yeah, but to get there I gotta do downtown. I gotta get another bus. I gotta, you know- I gotta lug a- 2632.9733 3097 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2632.9733 (pause 0.67) 2633.6427 3098 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2633.6427 you know, a 2633.9925 3099 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2633.9925 (pause 0.27) 2634.2620 3100 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2634.2620 bag of crap. 2635.2690 3101 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2635.5573 Yeah. 2635.8410 3102 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2635.8930 You know, 2636.2397 3103 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2636.2397 (pause 0.13) 2636.3744 3104 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2636.3744 I mean, it's, 2636.8621 3105 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2636.8621 (pause 1.36) 2638.2264 3106 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2638.2264 um- 2638.5337 3107 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2638.5337 (pause 0.99) 2639.5217 3108 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2639.5217 but at the same time, when- 2640.7943 3109 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2640.7943 (pause 0.89) 2641.6830 3110 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2641.6830 when 2642.0264 3111 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2642.0264 (pause 0.07) 2642.1008 3112 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2642.1008 we were kids, 2643.1249 3113 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2643.1249 (pause 0.77) 2643.8908 3114 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2643.8908 y- 2644.0326 3115 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2644.0326 (pause 0.13) 2644.1642 3116 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2644.1642 you know, I- 2644.5471 3117 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2644.5471 (pause 0.09) 2644.6393 3118 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2644.6393 I lived over on the- 2645.6392 3119 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2645.6392 (pause 0.10) 2645.7384 3120 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2645.7384 on the east side 2646.6579 3121 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2646.6579 (pause 1.06) 2647.7133 3122 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2647.7133 over by Central Park. 2648.9378 3123 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2648.9378 (pause 1.26) 2650.2008 3124 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2650.2008 We would walk. We walked. 2651.7278 3125 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2651.7278 (pause 0.10) 2651.8235 3126 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2651.8235 We- 2652.0150 3127 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2652.0150 (pause 0.25) 2652.2655 3128 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2652.2655 we walked everywhere. Uh, you know, we walked to Seneca Park Zoo. 2656.0042 3129 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2656.0042 (pause 0.26) 2656.2595 3130 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2656.2595 That- I mean, that's a hike. 2657.1814 3131 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2657.5990 Yeah. 2657.8424 3132 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2657.9299 Right. 2658.1639 3133 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2658.1639 (pause 0.33) 2658.4972 3134 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2658.4972 /Were-/ but we- 2659.1803 3135 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2659.1803 (pause 0.37) 2659.5459 3136 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2659.5459 we did it. W- you know, 2660.6226 3137 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2660.6226 (pause 0.11) 2660.7361 3138 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2660.7361 we weren't- 2661.2667 3139 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2661.2667 (pause 0.14) 2661.4086 3140 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2661.4086 we weren't held back by, 2662.7606 3141 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2662.7606 (pause 2.14) 2664.8983 3142 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2664.8983 you know, 2665.2717 3143 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2665.2717 (pause 0.16) 2665.4325 3144 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2665.4325 um, 2665.7587 3145 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2665.7587 (pause 1.85) 2667.6071 3146 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2667.6071 you know, 2667.9097 3147 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2667.9097 (pause 0.89) 2668.7984 3148 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2668.7984 like the 2669.3279 3149 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2669.3279 (pause 0.37) 2669.6967 3150 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2669.6967 energy that you had to put out in order to, 2671.6547 3151 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2671.6547 (pause 1.18) 2672.8318 3152 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2672.8318 you know- to get to where you wanted to go. 2674.8410 3153 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2674.8410 (pause 0.88) 2675.7203 3154 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2675.7203 But it's- 2676.1316 3155 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2676.1316 (pause 0.21) 2676.3404 3156 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2676.3404 it's different now. 2677.0594 3157 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2677.0594 (pause 0.10) 2677.1598 3158 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2677.1598 I mean, 2677.4703 3159 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2677.4703 (pause 2.28) 2679.7489 3160 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2679.7489 y- you know, I- 2680.6330 3161 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2680.6330 (pause 0.59) 2681.2192 3162 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2681.2192 our grandson, I mean, he- 2682.5429 3163 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2682.5429 (pause 0.13) 2682.6713 3164 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2682.6713 like he comes over and he spends time with us at least once 2685.2478 3165 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2685.2478 (pause 0.50) 2685.7475 3166 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2685.7475 a week, 2686.4094 3167 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2686.4094 (pause 0.54) 2686.9444 3168 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2686.9444 i- i- um, 2687.8379 3169 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2687.8379 (pause 0.70) 2688.5423 3170 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2688.5423 but- but his focus is like- 2690.2347 3171 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2690.2347 (pause 0.70) 2690.9391 3172 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2690.9391 like 2691.2512 3173 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2691.2512 (pause 1.43) 2692.6797 3174 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2692.6797 digital. 2693.3321 3175 ROC_int_01 2693.4361 [Mm-hm.] 2693.9041 3176 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2693.7576 [Yeah.] 2694.1027 3177 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2693.8096 [Right.] 2694.1499 3178 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2694.3769 And- 2694.6552 3179 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2694.6552 (pause 0.07) 2694.7214 3180 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2694.7214 and, 2695.1758 3181 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2695.1758 (pause 0.84) 2696.0173 3182 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2696.0173 y- you know, I mean, 2697.0526 3183 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2697.0526 (pause 0.36) 2697.4119 3184 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2697.4119 you know, we do stuff. We- we- we have board games. He likes playing Monopoly, 2701.0913 3185 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2701.0913 (pause 0.08) 2701.1705 3186 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2701.1705 right. 2701.5540 3187 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2701.5540 (pause 0.63) 2702.1875 3188 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2702.1875 And we do that with him, 2703.3126 3189 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2703.3126 (pause 1.37) 2704.6797 3190 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2704.6797 but the- 2705.2328 3191 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2705.2328 (pause 1.13) 2706.3674 3192 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2706.3674 the imagination 2707.5682 3193 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2707.5682 (pause 0.62) 2708.1922 3194 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2708.1922 o- 2708.4806 3195 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2708.4806 (pause 0.11) 2708.5893 3196 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2708.5893 of 2708.8013 3197 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2708.8013 (pause 0.12) 2708.9218 3198 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2708.9218 children is really not sparked like it used to be like when, 2712.2275 3199 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2712.2275 (pause 0.48) 2712.7050 3200 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2712.7050 you know, I didn't have a box in front of me that I could play with. 2715.7314 3201 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2715.7314 (pause 0.17) 2715.9016 3202 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2715.9016 Maybe I- you know, if I had, 2717.2631 3203 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2717.2631 (pause 0.31) 2717.5751 3204 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2717.5751 maybe I would've done it. 2718.7144 3205 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2718.7144 (pause 0.29) 2719.0028 3206 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2719.0028 But i- 2719.2534 3207 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2719.2534 (pause 0.39) 2719.6419 3208 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2719.6419 I had to use my imagination, like, you know, cause I didn't- you know, I didn't come from a- 2723.7122 3209 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2723.7122 (pause 0.63) 2724.3410 3210 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2724.3410 a family that had like a lot of money, and so, 2726.5354 3211 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2726.5354 (pause 0.51) 2727.0412 3212 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2727.0412 you know, we were shooting each other with sticks and, 2729.2489 3213 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2729.4054 // 2729.6890 3214 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2729.9817 you know, 2730.2890 3215 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2730.2890 (pause 0.26) 2730.5537 3216 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2730.5537 y- you know, we- 2731.6410 3217 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2731.6410 (pause 0.10) 2731.7390 3218 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2731.7390 we- 2731.8982 3219 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2731.8982 (pause 2.64) 2734.5384 3220 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2734.5384 you know, what little TV that we did see, 2737.0023 3221 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2737.0023 (pause 0.42) 2737.4183 3222 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2737.4183 cause I d- I think 2738.2361 3223 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2738.2361 (pause 0.21) 2738.4489 3224 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2738.4489 I- 2738.6663 3225 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2738.6663 (pause 0.14) 2738.8034 3226 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2738.8034 there was like only 2739.3896 3227 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2739.3896 (pause 0.35) 2739.7442 3228 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2739.7442 two or three s- local stations. You didn't have, 2742.0379 3229 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2742.0379 (pause 0.77) 2742.8084 3230 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2742.8084 you know, like a thousand stations like d- like they do now. 2745.3896 3231 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2745.3896 (pause 1.47) 2746.8552 3232 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2746.8552 Y- you know, w- y- you know, we'd- 2748.2317 3233 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2748.2317 (pause 0.12) 2748.3483 3234 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2748.3483 we 2748.6627 3235 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2748.6627 (pause 0.20) 2748.8659 3236 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2748.8659 took what we saw on TV and used our imagination and 2752.1366 3237 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2752.1366 (pause 0.19) 2752.3257 3238 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2752.3257 play. 2752.7228 3239 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2752.7228 (pause 0.78) 2753.4981 3240 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2753.4981 And, 2753.7770 3241 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2753.7770 (pause 0.42) 2754.1986 3242 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2754.1986 you know, 2754.5153 3243 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2754.5153 (pause 1.04) 2755.5601 3244 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2755.5601 w- 2755.7681 3245 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2755.7681 (pause 0.26) 2756.0329 3246 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2756.0329 I don't think we 2756.5860 3247 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2756.5860 (pause 0.29) 2756.8743 3248 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2756.8743 do a lot of that 2757.5078 3249 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2757.5078 (pause 0.16) 2757.6686 3250 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2757.6686 anymore. 2758.3020 3251 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2759.9961 Yeah, and even with 2760.8730 3252 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2760.8730 (pause 0.33) 2761.2067 3253 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2761.2067 /RD-NAME-3/, he 2762.2870 3254 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2762.2870 (pause 0.78) 2763.0717 3255 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2763.0717 I think 2763.5208 3256 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2763.5208 (pause 0.28) 2763.8021 3257 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2763.8021 spends more outside time 2765.5210 3258 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2765.5210 (pause 0.09) 2765.6108 3259 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2765.6108 than a lot of [kids] 2766.5078 3260 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2766.4086 [Yeah.] 2766.6024 3261 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2766.7028 that I [know, and] still, you know, 2768.1002 3262 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2767.0314 [Yeah 2767.2351 3263 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2768.3791 uh, 2768.7172 3264 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2768.7172 (pause 0.17) 2768.8873 3265 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2768.8873 it's very [different.] 2769.4996 3266 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2769.3743 [He] does spend a lot of- he does spend a lot of time outside. 2771.6864 3267 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2771.8968 I mean, [even-] 2772.3837 3268 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2772.1994 [And-] 2772.4428 3269 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2772.6745 even when he- 2773.0598 3270 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2773.0598 (pause 0.25) 2773.3084 3271 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2773.3084 I mean, 2773.6653 3272 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2773.6653 (pause 0.60) 2774.2633 3273 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2774.2633 cause he makes friends pretty easy 2775.7005 3274 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2775.7170 Yeah. 2776.0456 3275 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2777.3752 even here. 2777.8755 3276 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2777.8755 (pause 0.09) 2777.9630 3277 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2777.9630 I mean, 2778.3837 3278 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2778.3837 (pause 1.02) 2779.4013 3279 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2779.4013 he connects with people. 2780.4934 3280 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2780.7101 I also 2781.2939 3281 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2781.2939 (pause 0.88) 2782.1760 3282 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2782.1760 see 2782.9655 3283 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2782.9655 (pause 0.31) 2783.2728 3284 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2783.2728 his openness to things 2784.4003 3285 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2784.4003 (pause 0.14) 2784.5421 3286 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2784.5421 dwindling. You know, like, 2785.4407 3287 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2785.4407 (pause 0.82) 2786.2562 3288 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2786.2562 his tastes 2787.4736 3289 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2787.4736 (pause 0.20) 2787.6721 3290 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2787.6721 in food, and 2788.6440 3291 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2788.9608 [Mm-hm.] 2789.2255 3292 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2789.0057 [I feel like] a lot of that is just like a lot of outside [influence] stuff, [but] 2791.7835 3293 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2790.9818 [Yeah.] 2791.3096 3294 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2791.3096 (pause 0.37) 2791.6818 3295 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2791.6818 [Yeah.] 2791.8993 3296 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2792.5824 I can't- you know, it [happens.] 2793.5208 3297 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2793.0718 [Yeah.] 2793.2804 3298 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2794.0909 Yeah, my- 2794.4809 3299 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2794.4809 (pause 0.94) 2795.4241 3300 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2795.4241 my- 2795.6321 3301 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2795.6321 (pause 0.35) 2795.9795 3302 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2795.9795 my sisters call me 2797.0574 3303 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2797.0574 (pause 0.56) 2797.6133 3304 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2797.6133 bougie 2798.0979 3305 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2798.0979 (pause 0.32) 2798.4193 3306 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2798.4193 cause 2798.8141 3307 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2798.8141 (pause 0.97) 2799.7804 3308 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2799.7804 w- you know, 2800.2247 3309 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2800.2247 (pause 0.12) 2800.3477 3310 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2800.3477 we- 2800.4942 3311 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2800.4942 (pause 0.19) 2800.6880 3312 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2800.6880 we do stuff, and, you know, (laughing) 2801.8557 3313 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2801.8557 (pause 0.60) 2802.4589 3314 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2802.4589 as much as they call me bougie, they're also bougie. 2804.8402 3315 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2804.8402 (pause 0.08) 2804.9182 3316 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2804.9182 [The- they- we come from a] really bougie fam- you know. 2807.2601 3317 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2804.9814 [] 2805.8655 3318 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2807.2668 [] 2808.9695 3319 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2807.9124 [We are.] 2808.3332 3320 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2809.8582 What- 2810.1750 3321 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2810.1750 (pause 0.30) 2810.4708 3322 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2810.4708 what's an example of our- 2811.5014 3323 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2811.5014 (pause 0.14) 2811.6385 3324 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2811.6385 our bougieness? 2812.4233 3325 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2812.8299 Um, 2813.1371 3326 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2813.1371 (pause 0.95) 2814.0874 3327 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2814.0874 cruising. 2814.6310 3328 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2815.3268 Mm. 2815.6010 3329 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2815.7523 Right. 2815.9745 3330 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2815.9745 (pause 0.32) 2816.2912 3331 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2816.2912 Vaca- you know, 2817.0346 3332 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2817.0346 (pause 0.08) 2817.1173 3333 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2817.1173 I mean, 2817.4447 3334 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2817.4447 (pause 0.38) 2817.8276 3335 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2817.8276 when I was- when I was 2818.9055 3336 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2818.9055 (pause 0.65) 2819.5532 3337 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2819.5532 young, I mean, 2820.5176 3338 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2820.5176 (pause 0.57) 2821.0857 3339 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2821.0857 l- l- l- 2821.6672 3340 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2821.6672 (pause 1.11) 2822.7734 3341 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2822.7734 probably the farthest I ever went with my mom and dad, cause they didn't have a car. They didn't have a car. 2827.2464 3342 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2827.2464 (pause 0.52) 2827.7712 3343 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2827.7712 We depended on 2828.6930 3344 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2828.6930 (pause 0.35) 2829.0476 3345 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2829.0476 like aunts and uncles. 2830.0924 3346 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2830.0924 (pause 0.74) 2830.8299 3347 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2830.8299 The farthest we ever went probably as a family was to Letchworth State Park for a picnic, 2835.3596 3348 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2835.3596 (pause 0.65) 2836.0120 3349 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2836.0120 you know. 2836.3228 3350 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2836.3228 (pause 0.12) 2836.4410 3351 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2836.4410 A- you know, 2836.9496 3352 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2836.9496 (pause 0.16) 2837.1056 3353 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2837.1056 and 2837.4035 3354 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2837.4035 (pause 0.15) 2837.5524 3355 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2837.5524 a- that was exciting. I mean, that was /really/ pretty- 2839.5521 3356 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2839.5521 (pause 0.28) 2839.8346 3357 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2839.8346 that was pretty cool. 2840.5579 3358 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2840.5579 (pause 1.23) 2841.7926 3359 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2841.7926 It- 2841.9281 3360 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2841.9281 (pause 0.13) 2842.0557 3361 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2842.0557 you know, 2842.4450 3362 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2842.4450 (pause 0.54) 2842.9839 3363 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2842.9839 and I- and, 2843.5796 3364 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2843.5796 (pause 0.35) 2843.9341 3365 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2843.9341 you know, like now 2844.7236 3366 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2844.7236 (pause 0.79) 2845.5131 3367 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2845.5131 if- 2845.8346 3368 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2845.8346 (pause 0.33) 2846.1608 3369 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2846.1608 if I wanna- if I wanna go to Toronto, I can go to Toronto. [If I-] 2849.6257 3370 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2849.2439 [Mm.] 2849.5701 3371 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2849.7462 if I wanna go to New York, I go to N- you know. I- 2851.8850 3372 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2851.8850 (pause 0.07) 2851.9571 3373 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2851.9571 like there's- 2852.3404 3374 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2852.3404 (pause 0.59) 2852.9280 3375 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2852.9280 there's really very 2853.6769 3376 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2853.6769 (pause 0.06) 2853.7396 3377 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2853.7396 little that 2854.5117 3378 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2854.5117 (pause 0.40) 2854.9128 3379 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2854.9128 like holds me 2855.7496 3380 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2855.7496 (pause 0.21) 2855.9623 3381 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2855.9623 back, 2856.3901 3382 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2856.3901 (pause 0.31) 2856.6955 3383 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2856.6955 [right.] 2856.8964 3384 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2856.8349 [Yeah.] 2857.2249 3385 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2858.3477 Um, 2858.7401 3386 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2858.7401 (pause 0.54) 2859.2842 3387 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2859.2842 I wanna make sure we don't 2860.0240 3388 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2860.0240 (pause 0.15) 2860.1753 3389 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2860.1753 end this without me saying some things about 2861.9576 3390 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2861.9576 (pause 0.11) 2862.0643 3391 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2862.0643 m- 2862.1943 3392 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2862.1943 (pause 0.07) 2862.2615 3393 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2862.2615 this guy. 2862.6090 3394 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2862.6090 (pause 0.42) 2863.0321 3395 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2863.0321 Um, 2863.4197 3396 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2863.4197 (pause 0.32) 2863.7369 3397 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2863.7369 he, uh, 2864.7037 3398 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2864.7037 (pause 0.86) 2865.5641 3399 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2865.5641 went to /RD-SCHOOL-1/ when /RD-SCHOOL-1/ was very white. 2868.0401 3400 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2868.0401 (pause 0.27) 2868.3088 3401 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2868.3088 Um, so 2869.0037 3402 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2869.0037 (pause 0.35) 2869.3504 3403 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2869.3504 when he was in that neighborhood it was very Italian. 2871.6208 3404 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2871.6208 (pause 0.17) 2871.7863 3405 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2871.7863 A l- um, if you look at those yearbooks from like 2874.1291 3406 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2874.1291 (pause 0.18) 2874.3135 3407 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2874.3135 back then, 2874.7579 3408 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2874.7579 (pause 0.52) 2875.2803 3409 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2875.2803 he was 2875.9800 3410 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2875.9800 (pause 0.18) 2876.1647 3411 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2876.1647 class president. 2876.7746 3412 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2876.7746 (pause 0.39) 2877.1622 3413 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2877.1622 Um, 2877.5050 3414 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2878.2259 Yeah. 2878.3843 3415 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2878.9851 Right? 2879.2081 3416 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2879.5673 School president actually. 2880.6208 3417 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2880.6421 [School.] 2881.0534 3418 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2880.7083 [Student] body, 2881.3394 3419 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2881.4788 [Excuse] me. 2882.3501 3420 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2881.7199 [you know.] 2881.9748 3421 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2882.5406 [ Let me get that right.] 2884.5734 3422 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2882.8573 [Yeah.] 2883.0795 3423 ROC_int_01 2883.4790 [] 2884.4528 3424 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2885.0501 2885.3810 3425 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2885.3810 (pause 0.32) 2885.7025 3426 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2885.7025 Um, and also, um, 2887.1066 3427 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2887.1066 (pause 0.63) 2887.7365 3428 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2887.7365 he's a drug and alcohol counselor, 2889.7366 3429 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2889.7366 (pause 0.15) 2889.8903 3430 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2889.8903 and like has worked his way, 2891.7651 3431 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2891.7651 (pause 0.11) 2891.8786 3432 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2891.8786 um, up in his position. 2893.1314 3433 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2893.1314 (pause 0.66) 2893.7960 3434 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2893.7960 I gonna keep going if you're not gonna jump in. 2895.2544 3435 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2895.2544 (pause 0.36) 2895.6137 3436 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2895.6137 Um, he, you know, like he, uh, 2897.8077 3437 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2897.8077 (pause 1.54) 2899.3524 3438 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2899.3524 now runs drug court 2901.0848 3439 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2901.0848 (pause 0.09) 2901.1782 3440 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2901.1782 in /RD-WORK-1/ County and /RD-WORK-3/ County. 2902.9433 3441 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2902.9433 (pause 0.32) 2903.2648 3442 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2903.2648 But 2903.5532 3443 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2903.5532 (pause 0.68) 2904.2292 3444 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2904.2292 I'm 2904.4750 3445 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2904.4750 (pause 0.11) 2904.5837 3446 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2904.5837 gonna say- this is without a college education. You know, has like worked his way up in these 2908.4942 3447 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2908.6380 [Right.] 2908.8649 3448 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2908.7495 [positions.] 2909.3451 3449 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2909.4092 Right. I mean there are times, 2910.4634 3450 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2910.4634 (pause 0.92) 2911.3880 3451 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2911.3880 y- you know, I- 2911.9341 3452 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2911.9341 (pause 0.28) 2912.2106 3453 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2912.2106 I almost have to pinch myself because I'm 2913.9744 3454 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2913.9744 (pause 0.41) 2914.3857 3455 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2914.3857 like the- 2914.6835 3456 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2914.6835 (pause 0.12) 2914.8017 3457 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2914.8017 I'm in a position, 2915.8157 3458 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2915.8157 (pause 1.07) 2916.8810 3459 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2916.8810 2917.1647 3460 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2917.1647 (pause 0.21) 2917.3774 3461 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2917.3774 y- you know- I'm in a position 2918.6964 3462 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2918.6964 (pause 0.75) 2919.4480 3463 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2919.4480 that- 2919.6750 3464 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2919.6750 (pause 0.17) 2919.8404 3465 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2919.8404 /that/ 2920.0069 3466 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2920.0069 (pause 0.12) 2920.1227 3467 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2920.1227 you know, mostly 2921.0365 3468 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2921.0365 (pause 0.30) 2921.3371 3469 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2921.3371 held by 2922.1691 3470 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2922.1691 (pause 0.58) 2922.7459 3471 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2922.7459 you know, social workers and 2924.1216 3472 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2924.1216 (pause 1.34) 2925.4603 3473 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2925.4603 college- 2926.0559 3474 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2926.0559 (pause 0.30) 2926.3538 3475 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2926.3538 you know, college people. 2927.3844 3476 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2927.3844 (pause 0.62) 2928.0017 3477 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2928.0017 And- and it- 2928.6789 3478 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2928.6789 (pause 0.13) 2928.8042 3479 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2928.8042 it's- you know, there are times I, 2930.1303 3480 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2930.1303 (pause 0.17) 2930.2981 3481 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2930.2981 you know, 2930.6396 3482 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2930.6396 (pause 0.52) 2931.1549 3483 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2931.1549 like I- 2931.4087 3484 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2931.4087 (pause 0.09) 2931.4938 3485 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2931.4938 I say to myself, like, you know, like, 2932.7199 3486 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2932.7199 (pause 0.09) 2932.8079 3487 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2932.8079 /??/ yo, what the- 2933.6456 3488 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2933.6456 (pause 0.17) 2933.8134 3489 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2933.8134 what the fuck? I mean, 2934.6608 3490 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2934.6608 (pause 0.44) 2935.1004 3491 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2935.1004 what am I doing? I- you know, like, what am I doing here? 2937.1577 3492 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2937.1577 (pause 0.19) 2937.3468 3493 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2937.3468 And I- you know I- recently, I heard, 2938.9163 3494 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2938.9163 (pause 2.44) 2941.3557 3495 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2941.3557 you know, somebody- 2942.5014 3496 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2942.5014 (pause 0.59) 2943.0923 3497 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2943.0923 there was a 2943.7144 3498 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2943.7144 (pause 0.87) 2944.5795 3499 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2944.5795 treatment program out in /RD-WORK-1/ County, 2946.4469 3500 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2946.4469 (pause 0.63) 2947.0768 3501 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2947.0768 and the- 2947.4834 3502 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2947.4834 (pause 0.26) 2947.7481 3503 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2947.7481 the woman who was running it was like a- 2950.0228 3504 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2950.0228 (pause 1.02) 2951.0440 3505 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2951.0440 she just had a- 2951.7720 3506 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2951.7720 (pause 1.04) 2952.8073 3507 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2952.8073 she- I- I say she just had a- 2954.5138 3508 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2954.5138 (pause 0.09) 2954.5999 3509 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2954.5999 a- 2954.7606 3510 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2954.7606 (pause 0.26) 2955.0206 3511 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2955.0206 a bachelor's degree. 2956.2829 3512 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2956.2829 (pause 0.79) 2957.0771 3513 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2957.0771 And, uh, 2957.6869 3514 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2957.6869 (pause 0.62) 2958.3109 3515 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2958.3109 somebody on the t- on my team was saying, 2960.2161 3516 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2960.2161 (pause 1.04) 2961.2523 3517 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2961.2523 well, how do you get to manage- 2962.9258 3518 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2962.9258 (pause 0.46) 2963.3844 3519 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2963.3844 how do you get to manage an- a- an outpatient clinic 2966.0128 3520 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2966.0128 (pause 0.62) 2966.6330 3521 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2966.6330 with just a 2967.0963 3522 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2967.0963 (pause 0.33) 2967.4225 3523 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2967.4225 bachelor's degree? 2968.4294 3524 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2968.4294 (pause 0.34) 2968.7698 3525 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2968.7698 And I'm like sitting there (laughing) 2969.7058 3526 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2969.7058 (pause 0.59) 2970.2920 3527 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2970.2920 because I had managed that same program without a degree. 2973.1672 3528 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2973.1672 (pause 0.30) 2973.4697 3529 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2973.4697 Like, 2973.6257 3530 ROC_int_01 2973.8007 Mm. 2974.0512 3531 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2974.0938 you know, 2974.3680 3532 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2974.3680 (pause 0.14) 2974.5098 3533 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2974.5098 like fourteen years ago. I- you know, I- you know, it's like 2976.8877 3534 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2976.8877 (pause 0.63) 2977.5212 3535 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2977.5212 well, you know, the- the answer to that question is 2979.3988 3536 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2979.3988 (pause 0.36) 2979.7581 3537 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2979.7581 i- y- 2980.0418 3538 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2980.0418 (pause 0.59) 2980.6327 3539 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2980.6327 you know, you- 2981.1421 3540 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2981.1421 (pause 0.11) 2981.2508 3541 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2981.2508 you know your shit, you t- you know, you- 2982.9255 3542 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2982.9255 (pause 0.40) 2983.3301 3543 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2983.3301 you n- you know, you know what you're doing. 2984.9989 3544 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2984.9989 (pause 1.30) 2986.3037 3545 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2986.3037 Um, 2986.6063 3546 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2986.6063 (pause 0.25) 2986.8568 3547 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2986.8568 but 2987.1263 3548 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2987.1263 (pause 0.34) 2987.4675 3549 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2987.4675 it- you know, it- it's- is- th- they're really- 2989.2403 3550 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2989.2403 (pause 0.42) 2989.6611 3551 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2989.6611 and I- and, you know, /RD-WORK-1/ County is not- 2991.4244 3552 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2991.4244 (pause 0.52) 2991.9397 3553 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2991.9397 I mean, a lot of black people in /RD-WORK-1/ County, 2993.6330 3554 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2993.6330 (pause 1.58) 2995.2167 3555 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2995.2167 but they're- 2995.5571 3556 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2995.5571 (pause 0.19) 2995.7509 3557 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2995.7509 you know- they're not in 2996.5215 3558 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2996.5215 (pause 0.27) 2996.7957 3559 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2996.7957 positions. They're [not-] 2997.8357 3560 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 2997.6797 [Yeah.] 2997.9255 3561 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2998.7367 they're- 2998.9447 3562 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2998.9447 (pause 0.27) 2999.2142 3563 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 2999.2142 they're not in positions. They're, 3000.6702 3564 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3000.6702 (pause 0.52) 3001.1903 3565 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3001.1903 you know- 3001.5874 3566 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3001.5874 (pause 0.27) 3001.8596 3567 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3001.8596 i- it's really- 3002.6586 3568 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3002.6586 (pause 0.40) 3003.0604 3569 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3003.0604 it's really very- 3003.6702 3570 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3003.6702 (pause 0.65) 3004.3179 3571 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3004.3179 it's sad, 3004.7765 3572 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3004.7765 (pause 0.73) 3005.5053 3573 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3005.5053 you know. 3005.9261 3574 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3005.9261 (pause 0.37) 3006.2995 3575 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3006.2995 But 3006.5217 3576 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3006.5217 (pause 0.35) 3006.8716 3577 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3006.8716 i- /RD-WORK-1/ County is also not 3008.3655 3578 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3008.3655 (pause 0.61) 3008.9706 3579 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3008.9706 a big industrial kind of a 3010.6860 3580 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3010.6860 (pause 0.08) 3010.7616 3581 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3010.7616 community either. 3011.5242 3582 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3011.5242 (pause 0.25) 3011.7701 3583 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3011.7701 It's mostly service work. 3013.0512 3584 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3013.0512 (pause 1.14) 3014.1905 3585 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3014.1905 So- 3014.4647 3586 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3014.4647 (pause 1.03) 3015.4922 3587 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3015.4922 but 3015.6182 3588 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3015.6182 (pause 0.15) 3015.7711 3589 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3015.7711 yeah, 3015.9295 3590 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3015.9295 (pause 0.08) 3016.0075 3591 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3016.0075 thanks. 3016.3360 3592 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3016.3360 (pause 0.10) 3016.4400 3593 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3016.4400 [Thanks.] 3016.6953 3594 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3016.6173 [] 3018.0119 3595 ROC_int_01 3016.9766 [] 3017.6219 3596 ROC_int_01 3018.3074 How'd you get into the profession? 3019.9672 3597 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3020.5463 I, uh- 3021.1230 3598 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3021.1230 (pause 1.16) 3022.2876 3599 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3022.2876 when I, uh- 3022.9400 3600 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3022.9400 (pause 1.17) 3024.1124 3601 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3024.1124 when I was going to /RD-SCHOOL-1/ High, 3025.5523 3602 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3025.5523 (pause 0.52) 3026.0676 3603 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3026.0676 I was- I, uh- 3027.0935 3604 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3027.0935 (pause 1.12) 3028.2139 3605 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3028.2139 I graduated in nineteen seventy and, 3030.1577 3606 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3030.1577 (pause 0.42) 3030.5785 3607 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3030.5785 um, 3031.0276 3608 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3031.0276 (pause 1.65) 3032.6727 3609 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3032.6727 in my junior year, 3033.9161 3610 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3033.9161 (pause 0.82) 3034.7386 3611 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3034.7386 you know, 3035.0837 3612 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3035.0837 (pause 1.26) 3036.3468 3613 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3036.3468 the- 3036.6163 3614 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3036.6163 (pause 0.49) 3037.1032 3615 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3037.1032 the black community was kicking /RD-WORK-2/'s ass, right. 3039.4622 3616 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3039.4622 (pause 0.38) 3039.8404 3617 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3039.8404 The- right, they- 3040.4030 3618 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3040.4030 (pause 0.53) 3040.9372 3619 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3040.9372 because /RD-WORK-2/, i- 3041.9119 3620 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3041.9119 (pause 0.10) 3042.0127 3621 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3042.0127 you know, didn't have 3042.8479 3622 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3042.8479 (pause 0.66) 3043.5037 3623 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3043.5037 black people 3044.0631 3624 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3044.0631 (pause 0.15) 3044.2120 3625 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3044.2120 working for 'em. 3044.8604 3626 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3044.8604 (pause 0.63) 3045.4873 3627 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3045.4873 And so 3046.0581 3628 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3046.0581 (pause 0.09) 3046.1503 3629 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3046.1503 /RD-WORK-2/ hired 3047.0190 3630 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3047.0190 (pause 0.97) 3047.9895 3631 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3047.9895 a- 3048.1077 3632 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3048.1077 (pause 0.32) 3048.4291 3633 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3048.4291 this black human resource 3050.0412 3634 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3050.0412 (pause 0.39) 3050.4297 3635 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3050.4297 guy, 3050.7947 3636 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3050.7947 (pause 0.06) 3050.8506 3637 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3050.8506 manager. 3051.4603 3638 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3051.4603 (pause 0.17) 3051.6305 3639 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3051.6305 And he was 3052.4720 3640 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3052.4720 (pause 0.39) 3052.8596 3641 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3052.8596 going around to the high schools 3054.6135 3642 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3054.6135 (pause 0.54) 3055.1524 3643 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3055.1524 cause b- and se- 3055.8844 3644 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3055.8844 (pause 0.10) 3055.9861 3645 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3055.9861 back 3056.2776 3646 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3056.2776 (pause 0.28) 3056.5581 3647 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3056.5581 in nineteen seventy, 3057.8196 3648 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3057.8196 (pause 1.33) 3059.1480 3649 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3059.1480 /RD-SCHOOL-1/ High was changing. It was like- 3061.1524 3650 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3061.1524 (pause 0.31) 3061.4597 3651 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3061.4597 i- it was, 3062.2398 3652 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3062.2398 (pause 0.12) 3062.3635 3653 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3062.3635 you know- 3062.6661 3654 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3062.6661 (pause 0.14) 3062.8032 3655 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3062.8032 it was- 3063.2467 3656 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3063.2467 (pause 0.10) 3063.3472 3657 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3063.3472 it was becoming more 3064.3869 3658 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3064.3869 (pause 0.72) 3065.1040 3659 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3065.1040 b- of a bl- 3065.6942 3660 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3065.6942 (pause 0.08) 3065.7746 3661 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3065.7746 you know, 3066.2859 3662 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3066.2859 (pause 0.31) 3066.5913 3663 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3066.5913 m- way more black people were in /RD-SCHOOL-1/ High School. 3069.1914 3664 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3069.4325 The neighborhood too. 3070.2039 3665 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3070.3599 Yeah. 3070.7475 3666 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3070.7475 (pause 0.28) 3071.0312 3667 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3071.0312 Yeah. 3071.2817 3668 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3071.2817 (pause 0.49) 3071.7734 3669 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3071.7734 Yeah. 3072.0192 3670 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3072.0192 (pause 1.07) 3073.0924 3671 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3073.0924 And j- and so- 3073.9291 3672 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3073.9291 (pause 0.41) 3074.3357 3673 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3074.3357 so they sent this guy, this recruiter out to 3077.2108 3674 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3077.2108 (pause 0.17) 3077.3763 3675 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3077.3763 talk with 3077.8443 3676 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3077.8443 (pause 1.11) 3078.9553 3677 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3078.9553 students. And I- I was interested in- 3080.9786 3678 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3080.9786 (pause 0.51) 3081.4845 3679 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3081.4845 I liked science. And so, 3082.9177 3680 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3082.9177 (pause 0.97) 3083.8916 3681 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3083.8916 um, 3084.2745 3682 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3084.2745 (pause 1.68) 3085.9575 3683 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3085.9575 they sent this recruiter, 3087.0779 3684 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3087.0779 (pause 0.57) 3087.6499 3685 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3087.6499 and I talked with him, 3088.6435 3686 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3088.6435 (pause 0.24) 3088.8846 3687 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3088.8846 and he said, well when you graduate, you know, give me a call. And so I- I called him. 3092.6950 3688 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3092.6950 (pause 0.15) 3092.8415 3689 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3092.8415 So this is like a really long story. 3094.2161 3690 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3094.2161 (pause 0.10) 3094.3177 3691 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3094.3177 But- 3094.5159 3692 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3094.6297 [] 3095.3459 3693 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3095.0268 [so I-] 3095.3720 3694 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3095.9977 so I called him, and- and, uh, 3097.6563 3695 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3097.6563 (pause 0.15) 3097.8023 3696 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3097.8023 and I got hired. I got hired (laughing) 3099.5331 3697 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3099.5331 (pause 0.64) 3100.1741 3698 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3100.1741 with a high school diploma 3101.5735 3699 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3101.5735 (pause 0.38) 3101.9517 3700 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3101.9517 in /RD-WORK-2/'s research division. 3103.7395 3701 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3103.7395 (pause 0.51) 3104.2500 3702 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3104.2500 I was like- 3104.7842 3703 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3104.7842 (pause 0.27) 3105.0584 3704 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3105.0584 I was running exper- 3106.0087 3705 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3106.0087 (pause 0.19) 3106.2025 3706 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3106.2025 you- it's like, what the fu- (laughing) 3107.1149 3707 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3107.5073 [] 3108.2069 3708 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3107.7011 [You know], 3107.9788 3709 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3107.9788 (pause 0.16) 3108.1396 3710 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3108.1396 [okay], okay. 3108.7222 3711 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3108.8735 So- 3109.1666 3712 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3109.1666 (pause 0.46) 3109.6252 3713 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3109.6252 so I got hired at- at- at /RD-WORK-2/. I was working in the research division. 3113.1433 3714 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3113.1433 (pause 0.62) 3113.7673 3715 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3113.7673 And I, uh- 3114.8121 3716 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3114.8121 (pause 3.45) 3118.2592 3717 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3118.2592 I quit 3118.8135 3718 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3118.8135 (pause 0.09) 3118.8986 3719 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3118.8986 after five years because I, um- 3121.1146 3720 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3121.1146 (pause 1.58) 3122.6897 3721 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3122.6897 3123.0206 3722 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3123.0206 (pause 0.16) 3123.1766 3723 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3123.1766 I, you know- 3123.6967 3724 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3123.6967 (pause 0.43) 3124.1316 3725 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3124.1316 I quit because I didn't- 3125.3087 3726 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3125.3087 (pause 0.17) 3125.4836 3727 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3125.4836 I didn't like 3126.3346 3728 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3126.3346 (pause 0.41) 3126.7411 3729 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3126.7411 the feeling of working for like this huge company 3129.6257 3730 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3129.6257 (pause 0.62) 3130.2450 3731 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3130.2450 that didn't 3130.7178 3732 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3130.7178 (pause 0.63) 3131.3513 3733 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3131.3513 care, didn't give a sh- a shit about their people. 3134.1925 3734 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3134.1925 (pause 0.30) 3134.4902 3735 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3134.4902 I- I just felt like 3135.3695 3736 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3135.3695 (pause 0.60) 3135.9699 3737 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3135.9699 I was like a cog. 3136.9769 3738 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3136.9769 (pause 0.46) 3137.4354 3739 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3137.4354 And so I quit, and I- 3138.8017 3740 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3138.8017 (pause 0.82) 3139.6243 3741 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3139.6243 I had been working part time 3141.2785 3742 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3141.2785 (pause 0.07) 3141.3471 3743 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3141.3471 for a local ambulance company, 3143.1423 3744 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3143.1423 (pause 0.94) 3144.0831 3745 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3144.0831 and when I g- I quit, 3145.2271 3746 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3145.2271 (pause 1.20) 3146.4279 3747 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3146.4279 um, 3146.7907 3748 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3146.7907 (pause 0.19) 3146.9771 3749 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3146.9771 I- 3147.1891 3750 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3147.1891 (pause 0.07) 3147.2553 3751 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3147.2553 I went to work for them full time. 3148.9060 3752 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3148.9060 (pause 0.10) 3149.0040 3753 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3149.0040 I- 3149.2806 3754 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3149.2806 (pause 0.27) 3149.5501 3755 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3149.5501 I was, uh, 3150.3159 3756 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3150.3159 (pause 1.21) 3151.5297 3757 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3151.5297 an EMT 3152.2436 3758 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3152.2436 (pause 0.70) 3152.9441 3759 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3152.9441 and, uh, 3153.6910 3760 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3153.6910 (pause 1.38) 3155.0667 3761 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3155.0667 um, I worked for them for like maybe three years, and, um, I- 3158.2924 3762 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3158.2924 (pause 0.16) 3158.4484 3763 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3158.4484 I left and I- I ha- I- 3160.1751 3764 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3160.1751 (pause 0.45) 3160.6290 3765 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3160.6290 there was another black guy who had b- who had worked 3162.6106 3766 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3162.6106 (pause 0.91) 3163.5183 3767 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3163.5183 for the ambulance company 3164.7049 3768 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3164.7049 (pause 0.64) 3165.3431 3769 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3165.3431 as well. And I just happened to run into him. 3167.4657 3770 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3167.4657 (pause 1.20) 3168.6626 3771 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3168.6626 Um, 3168.9936 3772 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3168.9936 (pause 1.59) 3170.5867 3773 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3170.5867 um, in seventy-six, g- 3172.1137 3774 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3172.1137 (pause 0.28) 3172.3954 3775 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3172.3954 New York State changed their 3173.7333 3776 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3173.7333 (pause 0.91) 3174.6457 3777 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3174.6457 public intoxication laws. 3176.0781 3778 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3176.0781 (pause 0.29) 3176.3665 3779 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3176.3665 Um, 3176.7068 3780 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3176.7068 (pause 0.18) 3176.8873 3781 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3176.8873 it was no longer, 3177.7714 3782 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3177.7714 (pause 1.07) 3178.8445 3783 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3178.8445 um, 3179.2416 3784 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3179.2416 (pause 0.35) 3179.5962 3785 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3179.5962 a- 3179.8751 3786 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3179.8751 (pause 0.24) 3180.1115 3787 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3180.1115 the state would no longer allow police to arrest people for being publicly intox. 3184.2016 3788 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3184.2016 (pause 1.09) 3185.2889 3789 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3185.2889 Um, 3185.6576 3790 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3185.6576 (pause 0.85) 3186.5086 3791 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3186.5086 and so e- e- um, 3187.6053 3792 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3187.6053 (pause 0.50) 3188.1065 3793 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3188.1065 this g- this- 3188.7502 3794 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3188.7502 (pause 0.33) 3189.0764 3795 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3189.0764 this guy that I knew 3190.2016 3796 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3190.2016 (pause 0.69) 3190.8918 3797 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3190.8918 was working, had gotten a job. 3192.7024 3798 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3192.7024 (pause 1.17) 3193.8748 3799 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3193.8748 Um, 3194.2956 3800 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3194.2956 (pause 0.54) 3194.8306 3801 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3194.8306 the state 3195.3553 3802 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3195.3553 (pause 0.44) 3195.7950 3803 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3195.7950 said that every county had to have 3197.6198 3804 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3197.6198 (pause 0.52) 3198.1398 3805 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3198.1398 a sobering up center. Like that's where d- 3200.0430 3806 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3200.0430 (pause 0.25) 3200.2936 3807 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3200.2936 i- 3200.4685 3808 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3200.4685 (pause 0.11) 3200.5773 3809 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3200.5773 if someone was drunk on the street, 3202.0239 3810 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3202.0239 (pause 0.39) 3202.4162 3811 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3202.4162 that's where they had to go. And so I went to work for them. 3204.5161 3812 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3204.5161 (pause 1.13) 3205.6507 3813 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3205.6507 Um, 3205.9863 3814 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3205.9863 (pause 0.77) 3206.7569 3815 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3206.7569 and I stayed there for five years, and then 3208.6148 3816 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3208.6148 (pause 0.52) 3209.1301 3817 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3209.1301 /RD-WORK-10/ had a, um- 3211.2347 3818 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3211.2347 (pause 2.00) 3213.2302 3819 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3213.2302 3213.2951 3820 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3213.2951 (pause 0.09) 3213.3857 3821 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3213.3857 an outpatient 3214.2075 3822 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3214.2075 (pause 0.08) 3214.2855 3823 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3214.2855 substance abuse program. 3215.4185 3824 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3215.4185 (pause 1.74) 3217.1562 3825 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3217.1562 And I had had interact- interactions with the, 3220.3103 3826 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3220.3103 (pause 0.26) 3220.5703 3827 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3220.5703 um, 3220.9343 3828 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3220.9343 (pause 0.26) 3221.1896 3829 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3221.1896 the director of that program 3222.6929 3830 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3222.6929 (pause 0.20) 3222.8962 3831 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3222.8962 and, uh, 3223.6952 3832 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3223.6952 (pause 0.35) 3224.0450 3833 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3224.0450 he was looking for a counselor and he came to me. A- 3226.0219 3834 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3226.0219 (pause 0.46) 3226.4852 3835 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3226.4852 um, 3226.7358 3836 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3226.7358 (pause 0.73) 3227.4638 3837 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3227.4638 he was familiar with 3228.1776 3838 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3228.1776 (pause 0.18) 3228.3620 3839 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3228.3620 like some of the work I was doing, and he came to me and asked 3230.3948 3840 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3230.3948 (pause 0.79) 3231.1804 3841 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3231.1804 if I wanted to 3231.9652 3842 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3231.9652 (pause 0.10) 3232.0692 3843 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3232.0692 work for him. And so I- 3233.0620 3844 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3233.0620 (pause 0.15) 3233.2132 3845 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3233.2132 I went to work 3233.8656 3846 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3233.8656 (pause 0.15) 3234.0169 3847 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3234.0169 for him, and I stayed 3235.0475 3848 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3235.0475 (pause 0.91) 3235.9552 3849 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3235.9552 with him for five years. And then I went to 3237.9936 3850 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3237.9936 (pause 1.47) 3239.4591 3851 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3239.4591 the state had an 3240.4613 3852 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3240.4613 (pause 0.21) 3240.6693 3853 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3240.6693 inpatient program here at /RD-WORK-2/ Clinic. And I- 3242.7907 3854 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3242.7907 (pause 0.57) 3243.3601 3855 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3243.3601 I went there and I stayed there for 3244.8776 3856 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3244.8776 (pause 1.12) 3245.9933 3857 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3245.9933 three or four years, and then I got recruited by another- 3248.4326 3858 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3248.4326 (pause 1.28) 3249.7146 3859 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3249.7146 I got a- I got recruited 3251.1140 3860 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3251.1140 (pause 1.34) 3252.4518 3861 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3252.4518 by an- 3252.8017 3862 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3252.8017 (pause 0.09) 3252.8868 3863 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3252.8868 another agency, /RD-WORK-2/ Corporation, 3254.9507 3864 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3254.9507 (pause 0.63) 3255.5795 3865 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3255.5795 and I stayed there for twelve. 3256.8937 3866 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3256.8937 (pause 1.22) 3258.1142 3867 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3258.1142 And, uh, 3258.7383 3868 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3258.7383 (pause 2.41) 3261.1446 3869 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3261.1446 i- i- 3261.4755 3870 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3261.4755 (pause 0.70) 3262.1799 3871 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3262.1799 in the years, I- I had- 3263.7455 3872 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3263.7455 (pause 0.80) 3264.5492 3873 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3264.5492 /I'd/ had- 3264.8801 3874 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3264.8801 (pause 0.39) 3265.2677 3875 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3265.2677 earned enough 3265.9343 3876 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3265.9343 (pause 0.41) 3266.3456 3877 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3266.3456 educational hours that I could sit for 3268.3690 3878 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3268.3690 (pause 0.63) 3268.9977 3879 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3268.9977 the state certification. I got my c- 3271.2482 3880 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3271.2482 (pause 0.15) 3271.4004 3881 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3271.4004 my certification, and then, 3272.6434 3882 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3272.6434 (pause 0.91) 3273.5558 3883 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3273.5558 um, 3273.8584 3884 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3273.8584 (pause 0.18) 3274.0380 3885 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3274.0380 after twelve years I left 3275.2105 3886 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3275.2105 (pause 0.28) 3275.4949 3887 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3275.4949 /RD-WORK-2/. 3276.2655 3888 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3276.2655 (pause 0.69) 3276.9605 3889 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3276.9605 And I 3277.6601 3890 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3277.6601 (pause 1.13) 3278.7947 3891 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3278.7947 I got a job 3279.7174 3892 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3279.7174 (pause 0.09) 3279.8092 3893 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3279.8092 in /RD-WORK-1/ County, 3280.7992 3894 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3280.7992 (pause 0.57) 3281.3712 3895 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3281.3712 um, 3281.6596 3896 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3281.6596 (pause 1.15) 3282.8139 3897 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3282.8139 as a manager of the 3284.3125 3898 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3284.3125 (pause 0.53) 3284.8467 3899 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3284.8467 outpatient program out there. 3286.2555 3900 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3286.2555 (pause 1.57) 3287.8211 3901 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3287.8211 And then 3288.4026 3902 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3288.4026 (pause 1.16) 3289.5608 3903 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3289.5608 I, um- 3290.1471 3904 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3290.1471 (pause 1.13) 3291.2769 3905 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3291.2769 as I was working in that capacity, 3292.9835 3906 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3292.9835 (pause 0.99) 3293.9771 3907 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3293.9771 my 3294.2844 3908 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3294.2844 (pause 0.40) 3294.6815 3909 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3294.6815 boss 3295.2819 3910 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3295.2819 (pause 0.29) 3295.5750 3911 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3295.5750 a- w- became aware that 3297.0878 3912 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3297.0878 (pause 0.36) 3297.4518 3913 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3297.4518 /RD-WORK-1/ County was st- 3298.5638 3914 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3298.5638 (pause 0.16) 3298.7245 3915 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3298.7245 talking about starting up a drug court. 3300.3017 3916 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3300.3017 (pause 0.70) 3300.9995 3917 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3300.9995 And he told me to force myself in on the meetings to get in there, 3303.9833 3918 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3303.9833 (pause 0.07) 3304.0566 3919 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3304.0566 and so I w- I, 3305.0261 3920 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3305.0261 (pause 0.24) 3305.2652 3921 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3305.2652 you know- 3305.5394 3922 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3305.5394 (pause 1.31) 3306.8537 3923 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3306.8537 I- I was able to like wiggle my way into the meetings. 3309.7339 3924 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3309.7339 (pause 0.14) 3309.8746 3925 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3309.8746 3310.2854 3926 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3310.2854 (pause 0.16) 3310.4485 3927 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3310.4485 And I, 3310.8398 3928 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3310.8398 (pause 2.27) 3313.1059 3929 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3313.1059 you know- 3313.3943 3930 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3313.3943 (pause 0.49) 3313.8868 3931 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3313.8868 I m- 3314.1696 3932 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3314.1696 (pause 0.09) 3314.2630 3933 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3314.2630 I must have impressed s- 3315.5538 3934 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3315.5538 (pause 0.10) 3315.6554 3935 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3315.6554 people on th- on 3316.7138 3936 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3316.7138 (pause 0.18) 3316.8934 3937 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3316.8934 that 3317.1014 3938 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3317.1014 (pause 0.64) 3317.7444 3939 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3317.7444 planning 3318.2928 3940 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3318.2928 (pause 0.19) 3318.4819 3941 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3318.4819 team, 3318.8837 3942 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3318.8837 (pause 0.99) 3319.8726 3943 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3319.8726 um, 3320.2224 3944 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3320.2224 (pause 0.40) 3320.6243 3945 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3320.6243 because when they were looking to hire 3322.3876 3946 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3322.3876 (pause 0.20) 3322.5909 3947 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3322.5909 a 3322.7469 3948 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3322.7469 (pause 0.37) 3323.1204 3949 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3323.1204 coordinator for the court, they came to me and asked me if I wanted a job, and I- 3326.3453 3950 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3326.3453 (pause 1.63) 3327.9716 3951 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3327.9716 I said, well w- y- 3329.0719 3952 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3329.0719 (pause 0.12) 3329.1925 3953 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3329.1925 well what does it pay? 3330.1116 3954 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3330.1116 (pause 0.07) 3330.1777 3955 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3330.1777 And they told me, and I said, no. I won't- 3332.0589 3956 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3332.0589 (pause 0.19) 3332.2480 3957 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3332.2480 I won't take the job for that. (laughing) 3333.3826 3958 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3333.3826 (pause 0.24) 3333.6237 3959 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3333.6237 And- 3333.9121 3960 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3333.9121 (pause 0.11) 3334.0255 3961 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3334.0255 and, uh, 3334.6401 3962 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3334.6401 (pause 1.64) 3336.2814 3963 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3336.2814 so they hired somebody else. 3337.8036 3964 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3337.8036 (pause 0.78) 3338.5837 3965 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3338.5837 She was there for only a short period of time. She got snatched by Rochester's drug court. 3342.4799 3966 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3342.4799 (pause 0.74) 3343.2174 3967 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3343.2174 And then they- 3343.6204 3968 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3343.6204 (pause 0.13) 3343.7481 3969 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3343.7481 they came back at me, 3345.1557 3970 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3345.1557 (pause 0.74) 3345.8959 3971 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3345.8959 and they had- 3346.5483 3972 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3346.5483 (pause 0.36) 3346.9076 3973 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3346.9076 they had petitioned the state f- 3348.2400 3974 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3348.2400 (pause 0.12) 3348.3558 3975 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3348.3558 to incre- you know, 3349.2800 3976 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3349.2800 (pause 0.18) 3349.4644 3977 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3349.4644 to 3349.7016 3978 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3349.7016 (pause 0.48) 3350.1818 3979 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3350.1818 increase the grade level. 3351.4866 3980 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3351.4866 (pause 0.96) 3352.4510 3981 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3352.4510 And they came at me, and they said, 3353.7661 3982 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3353.7661 (pause 0.66) 3354.4232 3983 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3354.4232 well what about now? And I- I said, well what does it pay? And they told me, and I said, okay yeah. I'll- 3358.3328 3984 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3358.6003 [] 3358.9596 3985 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3358.9265 [I'll] do that. 3359.5316 3986 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3360.0139 And 3360.2408 3987 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3360.2408 (pause 0.22) 3360.4630 3988 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 3360.4630 so I've been there for fourteen years. 3361.8056 3989 ROC_int_01 3362.8181 That's great. 3363.3948 3990 ROC_int_01 3363.3948 (pause 0.82) 3364.2174 3991 ROC_int_01 3364.2174 Okay, so 3365.2772 3992 ROC_int_01 3365.2772 (pause 0.09) 3365.3623 3993 ROC_int_01 3365.3623 let me turn to you [for a second] and ask about, um, 3368.3451 3994 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3366.3036 [] 3366.9607 3995 ROC_int_01 3368.4799 your profession, 3369.4324 3996 ROC_int_01 3369.4324 (pause 0.43) 3369.8615 3997 ROC_int_01 3369.8615 and, uh, 3370.5659 3998 ROC_int_01 3370.5659 (pause 0.85) 3371.4121 3999 ROC_int_01 3371.4121 also y- a- 3372.1685 4000 ROC_int_01 3372.1685 (pause 0.37) 3372.5428 4001 ROC_int_01 3372.5428 why you- I wanted to ask a little bit- go back to the college experience, why you chose, uh, /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 3377.8990 4002 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3378.0424 Okay. 3378.3568 4003 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3378.3568 (pause 0.21) 3378.5624 4004 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3378.5624 Yeah. 3378.7894 4005 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3378.7894 (pause 0.75) 3379.5367 4006 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3379.5367 So, um, when I was in high school, um, 3381.7965 4007 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3381.7965 (pause 0.74) 3382.5391 4008 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3382.5391 I've always hated school, 3383.8226 4009 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3383.8226 (pause 0.34) 3384.1630 4010 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3384.1630 um, 3384.6759 4011 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3384.6759 (pause 1.14) 3385.8204 4012 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3385.8204 it- 3385.9244 4013 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3385.9244 (pause 0.82) 3386.7422 4014 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3386.7422 just the way that it's set up has never felt right to me. Um, 3390.0259 4015 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3390.0259 (pause 0.16) 3390.1890 4016 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3390.1890 w- 3390.3355 4017 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3390.3355 (pause 0.17) 3390.5104 4018 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3390.5104 in the fourth grade, I had a truant officer 3392.8131 4019 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3392.8131 (pause 0.19) 3393.0070 4020 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3393.0070 because I refused- so I- I was in- 3394.9693 4021 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3394.9693 (pause 0.53) 3395.5011 4022 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3395.5011 this is also gonna be a very convoluted story, but, um, 3397.7944 4023 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3397.7944 (pause 0.37) 3398.1607 4024 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3398.1607 so first, second, and third grade, I was in, um, 3400.5198 4025 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3400.5198 (pause 0.16) 3400.6785 4026 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3400.6785 a program where we were, 3401.9857 4027 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3401.9857 (pause 0.11) 3402.0944 4028 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3402.0944 you know I was with the same 3403.0659 4029 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3403.0659 (pause 0.16) 3403.2294 4030 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3403.2294 group of kids for three years. I had the same two teachers. 3406.0045 4031 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3406.0045 (pause 0.51) 3406.5178 4032 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3406.5178 Um, 3407.0095 4033 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3407.0095 (pause 0.55) 3407.5602 4034 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3407.5602 i- I don't know, it just felt more like family-like. Um, I really liked the teacher- my main teacher that I had. 3412.0806 4035 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3412.0806 (pause 0.07) 3412.1551 4036 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3412.1551 And, um, 3412.6916 4037 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3412.6916 (pause 0.41) 3413.1050 4038 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3413.1050 you know, I- I liked 3414.2235 4039 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3414.2235 (pause 0.13) 3414.3511 4040 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3414.3511 the- the kids that I was with. I was kind of like a- 3416.4123 4041 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3416.4123 (pause 0.30) 3416.7101 4042 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3416.7101 a little timid, and so I was able to like 3418.4266 4043 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3418.4266 (pause 0.67) 3419.0979 4044 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3419.0979 grow and get to know these people. And then 3420.7175 4045 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3420.7175 (pause 0.16) 3420.8735 4046 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3420.8735 fourth grade, 3421.6559 4047 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3421.6559 (pause 0.56) 3422.2137 4048 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3422.2137 it was a major shift for me. 3423.6371 4049 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3423.6371 (pause 0.59) 3424.2304 4050 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3424.2304 And, um- 3424.9041 4051 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3424.9041 (pause 1.23) 3426.1313 4052 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3426.1313 but it was one of those like 3427.3061 4053 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3427.3061 (pause 0.69) 3427.9986 4054 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3427.9986 I didn't know p- everybody kept asking, like why won't you go to school? 3430.9898 4055 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3430.9898 (pause 0.07) 3431.0554 4056 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3431.0554 Um, you know, I- I had to be dragged into school 3433.5079 4057 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3433.5079 (pause 0.13) 3433.6384 4058 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3433.6384 on many occasions. I would like lock myself in the bathroom. 3436.4087 4059 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3436.4087 (pause 0.58) 3436.9858 4060 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3436.9858 Um, 3437.3664 4061 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3437.3664 (pause 0.13) 3437.4964 4062 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3437.4964 and, you know, they both were working, so 3439.4772 4063 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3439.4772 (pause 0.27) 3439.7424 4064 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3439.7424 they had to leave 3440.7304 4065 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3440.7304 (pause 0.17) 3440.9006 4066 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3440.9006 and just leave me in there. 3442.0305 4067 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3442.0305 (pause 0.62) 3442.6549 4068 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3442.6549 And so finally, like, you know, I ended up with a truant officer who was 3445.5387 4069 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3445.5387 (pause 0.20) 3445.7376 4070 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3445.7376 ensuring that I w- 3446.7068 4071 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3446.7068 (pause 0.10) 3446.8061 4072 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3446.8061 um, 3447.0992 4073 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3447.0992 (pause 0.09) 3447.1913 4074 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3447.1913 you know, 3447.5057 4075 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3447.5057 (pause 0.27) 3447.7799 4076 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3447.7799 was getting to school, and still 3449.0000 4077 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3449.0000 (pause 0.07) 3449.0709 4078 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3449.0709 i- it was just the whole year was really a struggle. 3450.8839 4079 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3450.8839 (pause 0.51) 3451.3921 4080 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3451.3921 And they kept asking, like what's going on? And 3453.4348 4081 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3453.4348 (pause 0.14) 3453.5743 4082 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3453.5743 I really didn't have words for it at that age. 3455.4964 4083 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3455.4964 (pause 0.16) 3455.6524 4084 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3455.6524 Um, 3456.0495 4085 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3456.0495 (pause 0.53) 3456.5790 4086 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3456.5790 but I mean, looking back, I just really don't 3458.8462 4087 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3458.8462 (pause 0.21) 3459.0542 4088 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3459.0542 think that the way that schools 3460.4181 4089 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3460.4181 (pause 0.27) 3460.6833 4090 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3460.6833 are operated really 3461.6902 4091 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3461.6902 (pause 0.25) 3461.9431 4092 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3461.9431 has ever been my thing. So 3463.4583 4093 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3463.4583 (pause 0.26) 3463.7164 4094 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3463.7164 I d- start- you know, I started going to school, but, 3465.6215 4095 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3465.6215 (pause 0.10) 3465.7255 4096 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3465.7255 um, 3466.0399 4097 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3466.0399 (pause 1.35) 3467.3877 4098 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3467.3877 it's weird. I- I know that I'm smart because 3469.9827 4099 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3469.9827 (pause 1.11) 3471.0961 4100 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3471.0961 if I wasn't, I j- you know, like, the way that I am with school. I, um- I hated doing homework. 3475.4013 4101 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3475.4013 (pause 0.42) 3475.8197 4102 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3475.8197 So, 3476.2617 4103 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3476.2617 (pause 0.30) 3476.5643 4104 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3476.5643 um, 3476.9874 4105 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3476.9874 (pause 0.86) 3477.8468 4106 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3477.8468 3477.8849 4107 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3477.8849 (pause 0.05) 3477.9356 4108 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3477.9356 just never really worked 3478.8126 4109 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3478.8126 (pause 0.25) 3479.0631 4110 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3479.0631 that w- 3479.3610 4111 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3479.3610 (pause 0.14) 3479.5004 4112 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3479.5004 well. I would just kind of get by, um, where 3481.8788 4113 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3481.8788 (pause 0.64) 3482.5193 4114 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3482.5193 if I would've ever applied myself, I- 3483.9616 4115 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3483.9616 (pause 0.13) 3484.0893 4116 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3484.0893 I probably woulda been a really good student. 3485.4933 4117 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3485.4933 (pause 0.49) 3485.9874 4118 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3485.9874 Um, but I just never wanted to. Um, 3488.1506 4119 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3488.1506 (pause 0.30) 3488.4508 4120 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3488.4508 so when I was in 3489.3041 4121 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3489.3041 (pause 0.25) 3489.5570 4122 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3489.5570 high school, um, 3490.6920 4123 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3490.6920 (pause 0.44) 3491.1364 4124 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3491.1364 I- I had always been 3492.1150 4125 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3492.1150 (pause 0.14) 3492.2592 4126 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3492.2592 good at math, 3493.0349 4127 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3493.0349 (pause 0.25) 3493.2807 4128 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3493.2807 um, 3493.7086 4129 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3493.7086 (pause 0.58) 3494.2924 4130 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3494.2924 and 3495.0701 4131 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3495.0701 (pause 0.27) 3495.3443 4132 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3495.3443 so I wanted to be a math teacher, 3496.9237 4133 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3496.9237 (pause 0.09) 3497.0159 4134 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3497.0159 um, 3497.4012 4135 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3497.4012 (pause 0.27) 3497.6753 4136 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3497.6753 you know, wanted to be able to teach 3499.4722 4137 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3499.4722 (pause 0.84) 3500.3137 4138 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3500.3137 people in a way- 3501.4199 4139 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3501.4199 (pause 1.26) 3502.6801 4140 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3502.6801 I felt like I was a different learner, so- and I felt like that would be beneficial for students. 3506.2026 4141 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3506.2026 (pause 0.61) 3506.8172 4142 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3506.8172 3507.0774 4143 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3507.0774 (pause 0.06) 3507.1334 4144 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3507.1334 And, um, 3507.7130 4145 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3507.7130 (pause 0.96) 3508.6755 4146 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3508.6755 so- 3509.4768 4147 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3509.4768 (pause 0.89) 3510.3656 4148 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3510.3656 so that was my plan. Um, I went to my guidance counselor 3513.2805 4149 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3513.2805 (pause 0.68) 3513.9640 4150 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3513.9640 and 3514.6377 4151 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3514.6377 (pause 0.39) 3515.0277 4152 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3515.0277 he told me s- 3516.0985 4153 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3516.0985 (pause 0.22) 3516.3183 4154 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3516.3183 profound advice. 3517.3540 4155 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3517.3540 (pause 0.66) 3518.0111 4156 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3518.0111 He was like 3518.8384 4157 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3518.8384 (pause 0.37) 3519.2048 4158 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3519.2048 j- 3519.3821 4159 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3519.3821 (pause 0.11) 3519.4885 4160 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3519.4885 you know, just having 3520.3257 4161 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3520.3257 (pause 0.10) 3520.4297 4162 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3520.4297 like known me, he was like, you'll like /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 3522.8765 4163 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3522.8765 (pause 0.16) 3523.0326 4164 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3523.0326 Um, 3523.3895 4165 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3523.3895 (pause 0.31) 3523.6968 4166 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3523.6968 so apply to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and one other school 3525.6327 4167 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3525.6327 (pause 0.48) 3526.1082 4168 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3526.1082 was the advice that he gave me. Um, 3527.9614 4169 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3527.9614 (pause 0.66) 3528.6256 4170 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3528.6256 so I applied to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and Buff State. 3530.6092 4171 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3530.6092 (pause 0.30) 3530.9117 4172 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3530.9117 Um, 3531.4034 4173 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3531.4034 (pause 0.60) 3532.0042 4174 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3532.0042 I- i- I don't think that was really great advice, you know. (laughing) But- 3534.4956 4175 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3534.4956 (pause 0.26) 3534.7584 4176 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3534.7584 but he was right. 3535.3885 4177 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3535.3885 (pause 0.06) 3535.4511 4178 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3535.4511 He- 3535.6944 4179 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3535.6944 (pause 0.10) 3535.7937 4180 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3535.7937 luckily he was right, 3536.9149 4181 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3536.9149 (pause 0.08) 3536.9988 4182 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3536.9988 and he really- he helped me, 3538.4543 4183 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3538.4543 (pause 0.12) 3538.5772 4184 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3538.5772 um, you know, with writing my, 3539.7689 4185 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3539.7689 (pause 0.49) 3540.2606 4186 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3540.2606 my letter to get into /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 3541.5512 4187 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3541.5512 (pause 0.37) 3541.9199 4188 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3541.9199 Um, but I mean, that was really like, what if I didn't? You know, that woulda really sucked. He only told me to (laughing) apply to two schools. 3546.9201 4189 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3546.9201 (pause 0.49) 3547.4070 4190 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3547.4070 Um, 3547.8467 4191 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3547.8467 (pause 0.21) 3548.0547 4192 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3548.0547 but yeah, luckily I did get into /RD-SCHOOL-2/, and he was very right. 3551.2485 4193 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3551.2485 (pause 0.18) 3551.4309 4194 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3551.4309 Um, /RD-SCHOOL-2/ is a, 3552.9697 4195 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3552.9697 (pause 1.77) 3554.7382 4196 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3554.7382 um, 3555.3551 4197 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3555.3551 (pause 0.86) 3556.2108 4198 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3556.2108 i- has like this kind of hippyish vibe, very artsy. 3559.7396 4199 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3559.7396 (pause 0.07) 3559.8123 4200 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3559.8123 Um, 3560.3553 4201 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3560.3553 (pause 0.80) 3561.1535 4202 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3561.1535 and, uh, i- 3562.2219 4203 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3562.2219 (pause 0.54) 3562.7613 4204 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3562.7613 like (breathy) 3563.2766 4205 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3563.2766 (pause 0.50) 3563.7730 4206 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3563.7730 I got involved with like activism 3566.1702 4207 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3566.1702 (pause 0.13) 3566.3049 4208 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3566.3049 while I was there. 3566.9361 4209 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3566.9361 (pause 0.33) 3567.2670 4210 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3567.2670 So when I first got there, um, you know, like I said, having come from this 3570.7303 4211 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3570.7303 (pause 0.31) 3571.0403 4212 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3571.0403 somewhat of a color blindness, um, 3573.1464 4213 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3573.1464 (pause 0.71) 3573.8532 4214 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3573.8532 being in Rochester and not really looking critically at some of the stuff that was going on, 3578.4964 4215 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3578.4964 (pause 0.13) 3578.6311 4216 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3578.6311 um, 3579.0070 4217 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3579.0070 (pause 0.50) 3579.5081 4218 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3579.5081 in my world. 3580.2385 4219 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3580.2385 (pause 0.43) 3580.6644 4220 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3580.6644 Um, 3581.0851 4221 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3581.0851 (pause 0.89) 3581.9739 4222 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3581.9739 I came into/RD-SCHOOL-2/. I- my parents made too much for me to be, um, EOP. 3586.0305 4223 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3586.0305 (pause 0.69) 3586.7235 4224 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3586.7235 Um, but they have this program called /RD-SCHOOL-10/. 3590.1371 4225 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3590.1371 (pause 0.24) 3590.3735 4226 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3590.3735 So it has the mentorship 3591.8130 4227 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3591.8130 (pause 0.11) 3591.9217 4228 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3591.9217 aspect of EOP without any money. 3593.7527 4229 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3593.7527 (pause 0.25) 3593.9989 4230 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3593.9989 Um, 3594.3062 4231 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3594.3062 (pause 0.40) 3594.7033 4232 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3594.7033 so they, um, would house /RD-SCHOOL-3/ students 3598.3155 4233 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3598.3155 (pause 0.39) 3598.7079 4234 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3598.7079 in the two oldest dorms, 3600.4953 4235 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3600.4953 (pause 0.17) 3600.6631 4236 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3600.6631 um, 3601.0886 4237 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3601.0886 (pause 0.27) 3601.3604 4238 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3601.3604 on campus 3602.0104 4239 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3602.0104 (pause 0.81) 3602.8165 4240 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3602.8165 which if you look at it, it's like put all the 3604.3793 4241 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3604.3793 (pause 0.48) 3604.8544 4242 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3604.8544 people of color in like the two oldest dorms. (laughing) 3606.8451 4243 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3606.8451 (pause 0.37) 3607.2162 4244 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3607.2162 It l- can seem kind of bad, but those dorms had the most history, 3609.9302 4245 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3609.9302 (pause 0.40) 3610.3321 4246 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3610.3321 um, and it was really beautiful, like 3612.1882 4247 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3612.1882 (pause 0.07) 3612.2615 4248 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3612.2615 living in the space that 3613.4124 4249 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3613.4124 (pause 0.71) 3614.1270 4250 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3614.1270 the white people wouldn't 3615.1587 4251 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3615.1587 (pause 0.06) 3615.2208 4252 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3615.2208 necessarily flock to. (laughing) You know, there were like 3616.9487 4253 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3616.9487 (pause 0.16) 3617.1114 4254 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3617.1114 two brand new dorms on campus where like a lot of, 3619.8656 4255 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3619.8656 (pause 0.21) 3620.0736 4256 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3620.0736 you know, more well off students, 3621.2251 4257 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3621.2251 (pause 0.45) 3621.6790 4258 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3621.6790 they would just pay the extra money to live in those two new dorms. 3623.6247 4259 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3623.6247 (pause 0.23) 3623.8564 4260 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3623.8564 So it was really actually very nice. Um, 3625.7616 4261 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3625.7616 (pause 0.17) 3625.9317 4262 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3625.9317 you know, living with like black, Puerto Rican, Dominican, like 3628.0629 4263 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3628.0629 (pause 0.08) 3628.1391 4264 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3628.1391 um- 3628.4651 4265 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3628.4651 (pause 0.14) 3628.6022 4266 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3628.6022 3628.8159 4267 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3628.8159 (pause 0.34) 3629.1553 4268 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3629.1553 and 3629.6919 4269 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3629.6919 (pause 0.31) 3630.0063 4270 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3630.0063 in the basement of 3631.0467 4271 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3631.0467 (pause 0.43) 3631.4769 4272 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3631.4769 the dorm that I lived in, the- the oldest one, 3633.3821 4273 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3633.3821 (pause 0.82) 3634.1986 4274 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3634.1986 3634.2524 4275 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3634.2524 (pause 0.09) 3634.3422 4276 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3634.3422 um, 3634.7440 4277 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3634.7440 (pause 0.42) 3635.1601 4278 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3635.1601 there were like all these divine nine. 3636.7881 4279 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3636.7881 (pause 0.07) 3636.8574 4280 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3636.8574 Um, you know, like y- 3637.6897 4281 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3637.6897 (pause 0.07) 3637.7582 4282 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3637.7582 there was a lot of like 3638.8006 4283 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3638.8006 (pause 0.10) 3638.9013 4284 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3638.9013 black history in- in that building. And so 3641.2248 4285 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3641.2248 (pause 0.36) 3641.5846 4286 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3641.5846 that was really awesome. 3642.6553 4287 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3642.6553 (pause 0.27) 3642.9248 4288 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3642.9248 And, um, 3643.5701 4289 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3643.5701 (pause 0.92) 3644.4876 4290 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3644.4876 so I lived, (breathy) 3645.6222 4291 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3645.6222 (pause 0.17) 3645.7948 4292 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3645.7948 um, there and 3646.8916 4293 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3646.8916 (pause 0.20) 3647.0925 4294 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3647.0925 there were a couple 3648.2015 4295 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3648.2015 (pause 0.38) 3648.5797 4296 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3648.5797 of- like there were some black studies classes that I had to take. 3650.8966 4297 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3650.8966 (pause 0.25) 3651.1424 4298 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3651.1424 They were- 3651.5853 4299 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3651.5853 (pause 0.08) 3651.6671 4300 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3651.6671 they were sp- specific to /RD-SCHOOL-7/, 3653.7668 4301 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3653.7668 (pause 0.20) 3653.9654 4302 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3653.9654 but they were, 3654.4977 4303 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3654.4977 (pause 0.27) 3654.7671 4304 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3654.7671 um, 3655.1500 4305 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3655.1500 (pause 0.44) 3655.5873 4306 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3655.5873 through the black studies department. 3657.0552 4307 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3657.0552 (pause 0.39) 3657.4433 4308 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3657.4433 So, um, 3658.2738 4309 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3658.2738 (pause 0.06) 3658.3371 4310 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3658.3371 I ended up having like 3659.9725 4311 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3659.9725 (pause 0.24) 3660.2143 4312 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3660.2143 a- a mentor, Dr. /RD-NAME-5/, um, 3662.4088 4313 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3662.4088 (pause 0.10) 3662.5105 4314 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3662.5105 was 3662.9685 4315 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3662.9685 (pause 0.33) 3663.2984 4316 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3663.2984 my faculty mentor. 3664.3341 4317 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3664.3341 (pause 0.06) 3664.3944 4318 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3664.3944 Um, and then I also was assigned a student mentor 3667.1541 4319 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3667.1541 (pause 0.55) 3667.7086 4320 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3667.7086 who, 3668.2475 4321 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3668.2475 (pause 0.28) 3668.5241 4322 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3668.5241 um- 3668.9732 4323 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3668.9732 (pause 0.40) 3669.3727 4324 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3669.3727 she was on my soccer team in high school. 3671.1175 4325 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3671.1175 (pause 0.16) 3671.2759 4326 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3671.2759 She saw my name on the list, and she was like, I want her. 3673.2890 4327 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3673.2890 (pause 0.07) 3673.3606 4328 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3673.3606 So, um, that was really awesome. This girl, uh, 3675.5027 4329 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3675.5027 (pause 0.44) 3675.9451 4330 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3675.9451 /RD-NAME-2/ who I like knew from back home, so that was cool. 3678.5854 4331 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3678.5854 (pause 1.19) 3679.7748 4332 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3679.7748 Um, and so I like had this like 3681.4065 4333 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3681.4065 (pause 0.08) 3681.4881 4334 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3681.4881 kind of guidance, 3682.3715 4335 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3682.3715 (pause 0.13) 3682.4992 4336 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3682.4992 um, 3682.8845 4337 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3682.8845 (pause 0.48) 3683.3695 4338 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3683.3695 from these, 3683.8044 4339 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3683.8044 (pause 0.24) 3684.0408 4340 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3684.0408 you know, two black women. 3685.0241 4341 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3685.0241 (pause 0.49) 3685.5110 4342 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3685.5110 Um, 3685.9507 4343 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3685.9507 (pause 1.00) 3686.9533 4344 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3686.9533 and I, um, 3687.9744 4345 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3687.9744 (pause 0.21) 3688.1801 4346 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3688.1801 I feel like I 3688.8017 4347 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3688.8017 (pause 0.08) 3688.8774 4348 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3688.8774 came in with this kind of like, 3690.7586 4349 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3690.7586 (pause 1.06) 3691.8227 4350 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3691.8227 you know, like why- 3692.6760 4351 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3692.6760 (pause 1.05) 3693.7303 4352 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3693.7303 not fully, but like kind of like, w- you know, 3695.3120 4353 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3695.3120 (pause 0.19) 3695.5011 4354 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3695.5011 black studies, you know like just kind of a like, 3697.1581 4355 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3697.1581 (pause 0.62) 3697.7778 4356 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3697.7778 I didn't totally buy in, 3699.1559 4357 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3699.1559 (pause 0.15) 3699.3024 4358 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3699.3024 um, initially. 3700.0234 4359 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3700.0234 (pause 0.63) 3700.6549 4360 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3700.6549 Um, 3701.0875 4361 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3701.0875 (pause 0.49) 3701.5791 4362 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3701.5791 but then 3702.4372 4363 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3702.4372 (pause 0.17) 3702.6026 4364 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3702.6026 being a part (breathy) 3703.6590 4365 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3703.6590 (pause 0.15) 3703.8062 4366 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3703.8062 of it, 3704.2154 4367 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3704.2154 (pause 0.07) 3704.2870 4368 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3704.2870 and like taking these classes, 3705.8414 4369 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3705.8414 (pause 0.41) 3706.2527 4370 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3706.2527 and like seeing just, 3707.3522 4371 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3707.3522 (pause 0.28) 3707.6335 4372 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3707.6335 um, 3708.1039 4373 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3708.1039 (pause 0.80) 3708.9028 4374 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3708.9028 again it felt like an- a family atmosphere. 3711.1488 4375 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3711.1488 (pause 0.30) 3711.4514 4376 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3711.4514 And like 3711.9643 4377 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3711.9643 (pause 1.04) 3713.0024 4378 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3713.0024 n- knowing the struggles that I had with school, you know, my- probably like my second week of college, I called him and 3718.2007 4379 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3718.2007 (pause 0.84) 3719.0378 4380 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3719.0378 I was like, 3719.6128 4381 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3719.6128 (pause 0.16) 3719.7771 4382 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3719.7771 I'm done. 3720.3993 4383 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3720.3993 (pause 0.10) 3720.5010 4384 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3720.5010 I had talked to somebody, a teacher who used to be a dental hygienist, and I was like, 3723.6452 4385 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3723.6452 (pause 0.30) 3723.9454 4386 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3723.9454 yeah I'm just gonna become a dental hygienist. I'm just gonna go, 3726.2197 4387 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3726.2197 (pause 0.11) 3726.3284 4388 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3726.3284 you know, 3726.7445 4389 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3726.7445 (pause 0.32) 3727.0612 4390 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3727.0612 get certified or something. And he was like, 3728.6382 4391 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3728.6382 (pause 0.27) 3728.9124 4392 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3728.9124 no, you're not. Um, 3730.2337 4393 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3730.2337 (pause 0.09) 3730.3236 4394 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3730.3236 m- 3730.4134 4395 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3730.4134 (pause 0.25) 3730.6644 4396 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3730.6644 you wouldn't go that. It's gross. You don't wanna be in people's mouths (laughing), like you're not gonna do it. 3734.5720 4397 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3734.5720 (pause 0.64) 3735.2126 4398 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3735.2126 And I was like, 3736.1912 4399 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3736.1912 (pause 0.10) 3736.2952 4400 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3736.2952 well, I can't do this school thing. And he was like, well, 3738.4986 4401 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3738.4986 (pause 0.24) 3738.7421 4402 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3738.7421 it's been two weeks, like you're gonna try. And, um, 3741.3544 4403 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3741.3544 (pause 0.47) 3741.8201 4404 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3741.8201 so I was like, okay, well I'll- I'll like 3743.3026 4405 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3743.3026 (pause 0.35) 3743.6571 4406 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3743.6571 d- 3743.8344 4407 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3743.8344 (pause 0.47) 3744.3024 4408 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3744.3024 do this semester, and it's gonna suck. Um, 3746.4279 4409 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3746.4279 (pause 0.92) 3747.3473 4410 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3747.3473 and, uh- 3748.0825 4411 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3748.0825 (pause 1.19) 3749.2718 4412 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3749.2718 but like 3749.9518 4413 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3749.9518 (pause 0.07) 3750.0190 4414 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3750.0190 b- 3750.1980 4415 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3750.1980 (pause 0.22) 3750.4183 4416 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3750.4183 bu- you know, I would have those same conversations with people in the department. And like, you know, /RD-NAME-11/ was just like, w- 3756.5057 4417 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3756.5057 (pause 0.18) 3756.6854 4418 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3756.6854 um, 3757.0825 4419 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3757.0825 (pause 1.12) 3758.2009 4420 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3758.2009 just a very loving and strong presence. (breathy) 3760.5123 4421 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3760.5123 (pause 0.27) 3760.7854 4422 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3760.7854 Um, 3761.2317 4423 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3761.2317 (pause 0.18) 3761.4113 4424 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3761.4113 and so like, 3761.9408 4425 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3761.9408 (pause 0.25) 3762.1937 4426 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3762.1937 that's- you know, I was getting support from 3764.0284 4427 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3764.0284 (pause 0.30) 3764.3286 4428 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3764.3286 these people so 3765.2457 4429 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3765.2457 (pause 0.38) 3765.6263 4430 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3765.6263 even though I didn't totally understand like, you know, why we needed 3768.1654 4431 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3768.1654 (pause 0.08) 3768.2422 4432 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3768.2422 this department 3768.8792 4433 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3768.8792 (pause 0.14) 3769.0186 4434 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3769.0186 yet, 3769.5103 4435 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3769.5103 (pause 0.15) 3769.6567 4436 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3769.6567 um, 3770.0420 4437 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3770.0420 (pause 0.56) 3770.6069 4438 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3770.6069 it was there for me, 3771.5079 4439 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3771.5079 (pause 0.09) 3771.5954 4440 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3771.5954 and the people were there for me. And, um- 3773.3635 4441 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3773.3635 (pause 1.00) 3774.3661 4442 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3774.3661 and then I started taking, you know, 3775.8411 4443 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3775.8411 (pause 0.28) 3776.1176 4444 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3776.1176 s- 3776.2429 4445 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3776.2429 (pause 0.38) 3776.6235 4446 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3776.6235 classes that were specifically r- 3778.0684 4447 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3778.0684 (pause 0.08) 3778.1438 4448 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3778.1438 related to black studies. /Um/, 3779.7542 4449 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3779.7542 (pause 0.32) 3780.0757 4450 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3780.0757 you know, one of the- a- 3780.8797 4451 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3780.8797 (pause 0.24) 3781.1208 4452 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3781.1208 some of the more powerful ones for me were, um, like a race and racism class, um, education in the black community. 3785.9977 4453 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3785.9977 (pause 0.61) 3786.6032 4454 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3786.6032 Um, you know, you asked about, 3787.5487 4455 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3787.5487 (pause 0.13) 3787.6834 4456 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3787.6834 uh, integration earlier, and 3789.5606 4457 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3789.5606 (pause 0.42) 3789.9837 4458 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3789.9837 I started like, looking at, 3791.4327 4459 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3791.4327 (pause 0.77) 3792.2057 4460 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3792.2057 um, 3792.5937 4461 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3792.5937 (pause 0.89) 3793.4849 4462 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3793.4849 our education 3794.3618 4463 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3794.3618 (pause 0.19) 3794.5556 4464 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3794.5556 really 3795.0166 4465 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3795.0166 (pause 0.59) 3795.6032 4466 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3795.6032 got worse with integration. 3797.1916 4467 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3797.1916 (pause 0.22) 3797.4138 4468 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3797.4138 W- we used to be educated by our own people. 3799.3454 4469 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3799.3454 (pause 0.32) 3799.6621 4470 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3799.6621 I had an ex-boyfriend who his mom, 3801.6623 4471 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3801.6623 (pause 0.34) 3802.0050 4472 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3802.0050 um, 3802.3974 4473 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3802.3974 (pause 0.29) 3802.6858 4474 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3802.6858 was educated in the South, and then their family moved up north, and, 3805.7283 4475 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3805.7283 (pause 0.94) 3806.6715 4476 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3806.6715 um, 3807.1064 4477 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3807.1064 (pause 0.23) 3807.3357 4478 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3807.3357 the expectations were so much higher 3809.5371 4479 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3809.5371 (pause 0.13) 3809.6647 4480 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3809.6647 on- 3810.0859 4481 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3810.0859 (pause 0.25) 3810.3364 4482 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3810.3364 on- 3810.6768 4483 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3810.6768 (pause 0.17) 3810.8446 4484 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3810.8446 w- you know, when a- a black, 3812.1329 4485 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3812.1329 (pause 0.93) 3813.0599 4486 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3813.0599 uh, educator's expectations on a black student is much higher than somebody who 3816.6579 4487 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3816.6579 (pause 0.48) 3817.1425 4488 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3817.1425 m- 3817.2867 4489 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3817.2867 (pause 0.29) 3817.5750 4490 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3817.5750 may have like 3818.4922 4491 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3818.4922 (pause 0.26) 3818.7475 4492 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3818.7475 preconceived notions about this child already, and like 3821.0785 4493 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3821.0785 (pause 0.35) 3821.4236 4494 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3821.4236 doesn't live in the area where this child is growing up, has 3824.1589 4495 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3824.1589 (pause 0.20) 3824.3598 4496 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3824.3598 preconceived notions about the area that they live in, a- and like what this child can actually accomplish. 3828.5988 4497 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3828.5988 (pause 0.34) 3828.9392 4498 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3828.9392 So like just being able to look at these things- 3830.4260 4499 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3830.4260 (pause 0.30) 3830.7309 4500 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3830.7309 all these things that like, 3832.0574 4501 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3832.0574 (pause 0.62) 3832.6767 4502 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3832.6767 you know, they had been kind of on the peripheral to me growing up, 3835.1637 4503 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3835.1637 (pause 0.85) 3836.0170 4504 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3836.0170 were starting to like, make more sense. 3837.8194 4505 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3837.8194 (pause 0.21) 3838.0298 4506 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3838.0298 And I started to get angry, 3838.9445 4507 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3838.9445 (pause 0.15) 3839.0934 4508 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3839.0934 um, and like, 3840.1670 4509 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3840.1670 (pause 0.55) 3840.7178 4510 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3840.7178 you know, just like 3841.2709 4511 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3841.2709 (pause 0.33) 3841.5971 4512 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3841.5971 pissed off that I- 3842.3818 4513 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3842.3818 (pause 0.17) 3842.5520 4514 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3842.5520 with myself for like not having noticed a lot of these things, 3844.9634 4515 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3844.9634 (pause 0.48) 3845.4433 4516 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3845.4433 and a- 3846.1079 4517 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3846.1079 (pause 0.30) 3846.4081 4518 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3846.4081 also pissed off that this information was kept fr- from me 3849.3797 4519 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3849.3797 (pause 0.09) 3849.4719 4520 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3849.4719 for all this time. 3850.1929 4521 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3850.1929 (pause 0.30) 3850.4931 4522 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3850.4931 Cause I'm in school for 3851.6111 4523 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3851.6111 (pause 0.12) 3851.7340 4524 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3851.7340 twelve years 3852.5925 4525 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3852.5925 (pause 0.46) 3853.0487 4526 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3853.0487 and 3853.6396 4527 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3853.6396 (pause 0.33) 3853.9705 4528 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3853.9705 they left all of this out. I was like, really 3856.2851 4529 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3856.2851 (pause 0.12) 3856.4032 4530 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3856.4032 pissed off. Um, 3857.3346 4531 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3857.3346 (pause 0.42) 3857.7506 4532 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3857.7506 so I bounced around from different majors. Um, 3859.9162 4533 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3859.9162 (pause 0.79) 3860.7104 4534 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3860.7104 I, uh, 3861.5003 4535 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3861.5003 (pause 0.13) 3861.6327 4536 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3861.6327 you know, taking calculus my first semester 3864.1541 4537 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3864.1541 (pause 0.24) 3864.3939 4538 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3864.3939 and hating school. 3865.4080 4539 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3865.4080 (pause 0.57) 3865.9824 4540 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3865.9824 Um, I had gotten by because like teachers liked me, 3868.7130 4541 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3868.7130 (pause 0.07) 3868.7868 4542 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3868.7868 (pause 0.50) 3869.2873 4543 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3869.2873 (pause 0.17) 3869.4527 4544 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3869.4527 and 3870.0437 4545 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3870.0437 (pause 0.44) 3870.4814 4546 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3870.4814 saw my potential. They knew that I got the information. 3873.2876 4547 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3873.2876 (pause 0.75) 3874.0369 4548 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3874.0369 Um, 3874.4647 4549 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3874.4647 (pause 1.19) 3875.6537 4550 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3875.6537 so I- I g- I got a lot of help, um, along the way. 3878.6513 4551 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3878.6513 (pause 0.44) 3879.0937 4552 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3879.0937 But in college nobody's gonna do that. Um, you need to do a lot of work outside the classroom. And like 3883.0369 4553 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3883.0369 (pause 0.14) 3883.1763 4554 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3883.1763 pretty much all the work I was doing was in the classroom, 3885.0437 4555 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3885.0437 (pause 0.09) 3885.1363 4556 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3885.1363 um, 3885.4199 4557 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3885.4199 (pause 0.25) 3885.6681 4558 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3885.6681 you know, during my lower schooling. 3887.0225 4559 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3887.0225 (pause 1.08) 3888.1032 4560 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3888.1032 So, um, 3889.2543 4561 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3889.2543 (pause 0.62) 3889.8760 4562 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3889.8760 I, uh, 3890.7506 4563 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3890.7506 (pause 2.31) 3893.0627 4564 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3893.0627 I- yeah, I struggled, 3894.0815 4565 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3894.0815 (pause 0.15) 3894.2285 4566 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3894.2285 um, 3894.6870 4567 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3894.6870 (pause 0.66) 3895.3441 4568 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3895.3441 that- 3895.7223 4569 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3895.7223 (pause 0.36) 3896.0816 4570 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3896.0816 that first se- I mean I struggled pretty much throughout the entire time, 3898.8334 4571 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3898.8334 (pause 0.42) 3899.2542 4572 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3899.2542 but 3899.5898 4573 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3899.5898 (pause 0.19) 3899.7766 4574 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3899.7766 when I finally found black studies as like the major that I wanted to do, 3902.8262 4575 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3902.8262 (pause 0.09) 3902.9124 4576 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3902.9124 um, 3903.2933 4577 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3903.2933 (pause 1.69) 3904.9814 4578 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3904.9814 th- there wa- i- was still some struggle 3906.6525 4579 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3906.6525 (pause 0.33) 3906.9787 4580 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3906.9787 because I still had to put in the work. 3908.6385 4581 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3908.6385 (pause 0.50) 3909.1349 4582 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3909.1349 Um, 3909.5580 4583 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3909.5580 (pause 0.08) 3909.6360 4584 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3909.6360 but it was like something that I actually cared about. Finally like I had found something that like 3913.0747 4585 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3913.0747 (pause 0.29) 3913.3654 4586 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3913.3654 I had a passion for. 3914.6442 4587 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3914.6442 (pause 0.28) 3914.9278 4588 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3914.9278 Um, 3915.2970 4589 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3915.2970 (pause 0.43) 3915.7225 4590 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3915.7225 so that definitely helped. 3917.4882 4591 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3917.4882 (pause 0.11) 3917.6017 4592 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3917.6017 Um, 3918.1051 4593 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3918.1051 (pause 1.02) 3919.1290 4594 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3919.1290 so 3919.5143 4595 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3919.5143 (pause 0.44) 3919.9540 4596 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3919.9540 that's kind of like what led me to black studies. 3922.1485 4597 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3922.1485 (pause 0.09) 3922.2372 4598 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3922.2372 Um, 3922.7743 4599 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3922.7743 (pause 1.04) 3923.8111 4600 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3923.8111 I, uh- I also d- had a- a minor in women's studies. 3926.7307 4601 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3926.7307 (pause 1.58) 3928.3120 4602 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3928.3120 Um, 3928.8656 4603 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3928.8656 (pause 0.32) 3929.1894 4604 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3929.1894 and even that, 3929.9481 4605 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3929.9481 (pause 0.56) 3930.5036 4606 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3930.5036 um, 3931.1702 4607 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3931.1702 (pause 0.57) 3931.7356 4608 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3931.7356 you know, I had more 3932.7496 4609 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3932.7496 (pause 0.32) 3933.0711 4610 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3933.0711 of an interest in that, and it kind of 3934.6906 4611 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3934.6906 (pause 0.51) 3935.2036 4612 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3935.2036 w- the more I was seeing with black studies the- 3937.2057 4613 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3937.2057 (pause 0.11) 3937.3191 4614 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3937.3191 you know, I was leaning more toward that and having some criticisms to like 3940.1844 4615 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3940.1844 (pause 0.31) 3940.4964 4616 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3940.4964 d- 3940.5744 4617 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3940.5744 (pause 0.26) 3940.8372 4618 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3940.8372 uh, 3941.1421 4619 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3941.1421 (pause 0.12) 3941.2627 4620 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3941.2627 women's studies and 3942.0403 4621 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3942.0403 (pause 0.12) 3942.1585 4622 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3942.1585 m- feminism and 3943.0757 4623 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3943.0757 (pause 0.34) 3943.4137 4624 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3943.4137 the lack of the black voice in those realms. 3945.4304 4625 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3945.4304 (pause 0.74) 3946.1702 4626 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3946.1702 Um, 3946.5508 4627 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3946.5508 (pause 0.52) 3947.0665 4628 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3947.0665 so, (breathy) 3948.0497 4629 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3948.0497 (pause 0.10) 3948.1491 4630 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3948.1491 um, 3948.7258 4631 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3948.7258 (pause 0.58) 3949.3081 4632 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3949.3081 3949.3861 4633 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3949.3861 (pause 0.10) 3949.4818 4634 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3949.4818 I (breathy) 3950.4126 4635 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3950.4126 (pause 0.79) 3951.1987 4636 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3951.1987 have alw- you know, I had like started babysitting 3953.0996 4637 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3953.0996 (pause 0.47) 3953.5676 4638 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3953.5676 y- at yo- like teenager, you know, like 3955.5153 4639 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3955.5153 (pause 0.12) 3955.6363 4640 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3955.6363 /I think is/ pretty normal. 3956.4730 4641 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3956.4730 (pause 0.42) 3956.8914 4642 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3956.8914 Um, but I've always like worked 3958.9126 4643 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3958.9126 (pause 0.06) 3958.9732 4644 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3958.9732 with kids, 3959.6987 4645 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3959.6987 (pause 0.09) 3959.7861 4646 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3959.7861 and so when I came back home 3961.1620 4647 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3961.1620 (pause 1.08) 3962.2413 4648 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3962.2413 with a black studies degree and not really 3964.0557 4649 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3964.0557 (pause 0.44) 3964.4979 4650 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3964.4979 knowing how to like sell myself 3966.2047 4651 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3966.2047 (pause 0.16) 3966.3649 4652 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3966.3649 and, 3966.8116 4653 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3966.8116 (pause 0.11) 3966.9251 4654 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3966.9251 um, 3967.3860 4655 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3967.3860 (pause 0.70) 3968.0880 4656 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3968.0880 I- 3968.4643 4657 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3968.4643 (pause 0.17) 3968.6368 4658 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3968.6368 you know, I worked at the /RD-WORK-1/. I was 3970.1662 4659 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3970.1662 (pause 0.17) 3970.3364 4660 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3970.3364 getting into like 3971.2653 4661 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3971.2653 (pause 0.12) 3971.3839 4662 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3971.3839 kind of childcare positions again. 3973.0551 4663 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3973.0551 (pause 0.29) 3973.3411 4664 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3973.3411 So 3973.7973 4665 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3973.7973 (pause 0.44) 3974.2369 4666 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3974.2369 m- jobs that I've had since then, I- I worked at the 3976.7122 4667 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3976.7122 (pause 0.13) 3976.8422 4668 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3976.8422 /RD-WORK-6/. 3978.0076 4669 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3978.0076 (pause 0.09) 3978.0927 4670 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3978.0927 Um, 3978.4452 4671 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3978.4452 (pause 0.17) 3978.6131 4672 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3978.6131 I 3978.9180 4673 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3978.9180 (pause 0.34) 3979.2584 4674 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3979.2584 taught nutrition classes, uh, through the /RD-WORK-8/. 3982.1354 4675 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3982.1354 (pause 0.66) 3982.7997 4676 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3982.7997 Um, and that was a job I really loved. 3984.7383 4677 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3984.7383 (pause 0.30) 3985.0338 4678 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3985.0338 And, um, 3985.8469 4679 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3985.8469 (pause 2.88) 3988.7287 4680 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3988.7287 a- 3988.8777 4681 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3988.8777 (pause 0.12) 3988.9982 4682 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3988.9982 i- 3989.1046 4683 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3989.1046 (pause 0.18) 3989.2894 4684 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3989.2894 so 3989.7834 4685 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3989.7834 (pause 0.50) 3990.2821 4686 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3990.2821 that job, 3991.0953 4687 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3991.0953 (pause 0.59) 3991.6815 4688 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3991.6815 getting that- that position, it came down to me and one other person. 3994.5987 4689 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3994.5987 (pause 0.08) 3994.6744 4690 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3994.6744 Um, 3994.9297 4691 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3994.9297 (pause 0.37) 3995.2974 4692 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3995.2974 it was a lot of white women 3996.2713 4693 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3996.2713 (pause 0.15) 3996.4202 4694 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3996.4202 in that position, like, um, state 3998.3542 4695 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3998.3542 (pause 0.15) 3998.5054 4696 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3998.5054 wide, and just like a lot of white- 3999.5951 4697 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3999.5951 (pause 0.19) 3999.7870 4698 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 3999.7870 white women who were- who were doing that job. 4001.6354 4699 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4001.6354 (pause 0.66) 4002.2997 4700 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4002.2997 And, um, 4003.2077 4701 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4003.2077 (pause 1.16) 4004.3683 4702 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4004.3683 so it came down to me and a white 4006.5174 4703 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4006.5174 (pause 0.10) 4006.6167 4704 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4006.6167 male, 4007.1154 4705 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4007.1154 (pause 0.25) 4007.3636 4706 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4007.3636 um, for the position 4008.4249 4707 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4008.4249 (pause 0.53) 4008.9525 4708 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4008.9525 and, 4009.4512 4709 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4009.4512 (pause 0.46) 4009.9145 4710 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4009.9145 you know, talking to them afterward, their logic was, 4012.7419 4711 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4012.7419 (pause 0.28) 4013.0209 4712 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4013.0209 you know, 4013.4109 4713 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4013.4109 (pause 0.26) 4013.6733 4714 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4013.6733 both of them are minorities in this 4015.2739 4715 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4015.2739 (pause 0.16) 4015.4299 4716 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4015.4299 position. 4015.9429 4717 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4015.9429 (pause 0.10) 4016.0445 4718 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4016.0445 Um, 4016.3282 4719 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4016.3282 (pause 0.15) 4016.4771 4720 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4016.4771 you know, having a guy is- 4018.0423 4721 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4018.0423 (pause 0.15) 4018.1936 4722 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4018.1936 there's not many at all, 4019.4062 4723 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4019.4062 (pause 0.50) 4019.9049 4724 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4019.9049 and there's not a lot of black women 4021.2597 4725 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4021.2597 (pause 0.07) 4021.3330 4726 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4021.3330 either. 4021.6876 4727 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4021.6876 (pause 0.62) 4022.3098 4728 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4022.3098 Um, so that I think is kind of what- 4024.1142 4729 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4024.1142 (pause 0.79) 4024.9037 4730 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4024.9037 you know 4025.2275 4731 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4025.2275 (pause 0.16) 4025.3839 4732 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4025.3839 we both were generally qualified, 4027.3056 4733 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4027.3056 (pause 0.52) 4027.8304 4734 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4027.8304 um, 4028.3008 4735 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4028.3008 (pause 0.69) 4028.9914 4736 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4028.9914 but th- they didn't really know how to decide, and they did like a second round, um, 4032.6391 4737 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4032.6391 (pause 0.10) 4032.7383 4738 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4032.7383 like these questions that we needed to answer. 4034.1684 4739 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4034.1684 (pause 0.45) 4034.6229 4740 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4034.6229 Uh, my mom (breathy) 4035.6870 4741 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4035.6870 (pause 0.12) 4035.8052 4742 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4035.8052 has worked at /RD-WORK-1/, 4036.9233 4743 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4036.9233 (pause 0.19) 4037.1147 4744 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4037.1147 um, 4037.6229 4745 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4037.6229 (pause 0.46) 4038.0843 4746 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4038.0843 you know, like she worked [there-] 4039.0392 4747 ROC_int_01 4038.7852 [My mom] used to work there 4040.0562 4748 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4040.1218 [yeah?] 4040.3416 4749 ROC_int_01 4040.1773 [for] a period of time. Yeah, she might [know her. ] 4042.6926 4750 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4041.9126 [Yeah, probably.] [] 4043.6665 4751 ROC_int_01 4043.3025 [Yeah.] 4043.6098 4752 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4044.1117 Um, 4044.5277 4753 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4044.5277 (pause 0.76) 4045.2841 4754 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4045.2841 and so like I grew up, 4046.2533 4755 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4046.2533 (pause 0.20) 4046.4518 4756 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4046.4518 um- 4046.9151 4757 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4046.9151 (pause 0.23) 4047.1420 4758 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4047.1420 she's 4047.4871 4759 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4047.4871 (pause 0.18) 4047.6715 4760 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4047.6715 r- just r- like connected to a lot of people. Both of them are, 4049.9360 4761 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4049.9360 (pause 0.09) 4050.0298 4762 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4050.0298 you know, so like 4050.5552 4763 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4050.5552 (pause 0.13) 4050.6864 4764 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4050.6864 I kind of was able to use the connections that I've made, 4053.4812 4765 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4053.4812 (pause 0.12) 4053.6041 4766 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4053.6041 um, 4053.9445 4767 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4053.9445 (pause 0.82) 4054.7675 4768 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4054.7675 in my time, whether through myself or like through 4057.1080 4769 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4057.1080 (pause 0.15) 4057.2593 4770 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4057.2593 /well/ my parents and people I've met along the way. 4059.0510 4771 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4059.0510 (pause 0.34) 4059.3867 4772 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4059.3867 So like, and that was one of the- the big things that, you know, like they asked about, 4062.4032 4773 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4062.4032 (pause 0.17) 4062.5758 4774 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4062.5758 um, 4062.9351 4775 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4062.9351 (pause 0.88) 4063.8124 4776 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4063.8124 you know, 4064.2119 4777 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4064.2119 (pause 0.44) 4064.6492 4778 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4064.6492 com- people in the community that we're familiar with, and like my list was just ridiculous. And 4067.8076 4779 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4067.8076 (pause 0.32) 4068.1267 4780 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4068.1267 so I ended up getting the position, um, 4070.0015 4781 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4070.0015 (pause 0.54) 4070.5405 4782 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4070.5405 and it was like grant funded. 4071.8996 4783 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4071.8996 (pause 0.30) 4072.2026 4784 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4072.2026 And, um- 4073.5239 4785 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4073.5239 (pause 1.68) 4075.2002 4786 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4075.2002 but then like a few months later, they hired 4077.1125 4787 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4077.1125 (pause 0.19) 4077.3040 4788 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4077.3040 the guy that 4077.9918 4789 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4077.9918 (pause 0.20) 4078.1884 4790 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4078.1884 didn't get the position. 4079.2497 4791 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4079.2497 (pause 0.65) 4079.8974 4792 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4079.8974 Um, 4080.4150 4793 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4080.4150 (pause 0.63) 4081.0414 4794 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4081.0414 and the following year we both got laid off cause they didn't have money for us. And it's like, 4085.2048 4795 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4085.2048 (pause 0.56) 4085.7674 4796 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4085.7674 why the fuck did you hire this guy? (laughing) You know, like yeah it was 4088.0630 4797 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4088.0630 (pause 0.44) 4088.5026 4798 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4088.5026 one of those like, alright okay. 4089.7271 4799 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4089.7271 (pause 0.39) 4090.1199 4800 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4090.1199 But, um, 4091.3608 4801 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4091.3608 (pause 0.49) 4091.8525 4802 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4091.8525 and I'm l- yeah, I really loved that job. 4093.3633 4803 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4093.3633 (pause 0.09) 4093.4531 4804 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4093.4531 Um, 4093.8337 4805 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4093.8337 (pause 1.10) 4094.9305 4806 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4094.9305 h- a- 4095.2638 4807 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4095.2638 (pause 0.17) 4095.4340 4808 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4095.4340 in it, I was able to like go into, um- so we worked with people who were on public assistance 4100.4796 4809 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4100.4796 (pause 0.07) 4100.5470 4810 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4100.5470 s- and, um, 4101.3512 4811 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4101.3512 (pause 0.12) 4101.4718 4812 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4101.4718 did like an eight week series 4102.9525 4813 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4102.9525 (pause 0.06) 4103.0167 4814 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4103.0167 on like how to better- so I was able to like tailor my lessons 4106.0583 4815 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4106.0583 (pause 0.38) 4106.4365 4816 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4106.4365 for the groups that I was working with. Um, you know, if there- it was like ha- a lot of diabetes, we would like focus on sugars, and you know, like- 4111.7581 4817 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4111.7581 (pause 0.57) 4112.3325 4818 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4112.3325 but 4112.7154 4819 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4112.7154 (pause 0.16) 4112.8761 4820 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4112.8761 that was really nice to be able to offer this program, 4115.4105 4821 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4115.4105 (pause 0.10) 4115.5097 4822 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4115.5097 um, 4116.0156 4823 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4116.0156 (pause 0.82) 4116.8404 4824 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4116.8404 and like, 4117.1995 4825 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4117.1995 (pause 0.18) 4117.3792 4826 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4117.3792 you know, hopefully 4118.1001 4827 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4118.1001 (pause 0.40) 4118.4972 4828 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4118.4972 have people make small changes, 4120.1972 4829 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4120.1972 (pause 0.07) 4120.2663 4830 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4120.2663 um, to help their health. 4121.5152 4831 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4121.5152 (pause 0.41) 4121.9264 4832 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4121.9264 So I really liked doing that. Um, I ended up, 4123.9573 4833 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4123.9573 (pause 0.39) 4124.3521 4834 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4124.3521 um, on unemployment for a while, and that was really awesome, 4127.4632 4835 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4127.4632 (pause 0.15) 4127.6097 4836 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4127.6097 um, 4128.0399 4837 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4128.0399 (pause 0.21) 4128.2479 4838 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4128.2479 cause I wasn't paying rent. 4129.2667 4839 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4129.2667 (pause 0.13) 4129.4014 4840 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4129.4014 You know, living with my parents (laughing) and getting all this free money. 4131.7892 4841 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4131.7892 (pause 0.62) 4132.4061 4842 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4132.4061 Um, 4132.9043 4843 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4132.9043 (pause 0.89) 4133.7917 4844 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4133.7917 so from there 4135.5669 4845 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4135.5669 (pause 0.10) 4135.6685 4846 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4135.6685 I, um- 4136.4773 4847 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4136.4773 (pause 2.91) 4139.3899 4848 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4139.3899 I knew a woman and- and her daughter th- um, her daughter 4142.6003 4849 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4142.6003 (pause 0.29) 4142.8886 4850 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4142.8886 a- uh, has cerebral palsy, 4144.7729 4851 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4144.7729 (pause 0.64) 4145.4159 4852 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4145.4159 and she was looking for someone to work on some life skills 4148.6310 4853 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4148.6310 (pause 0.27) 4148.9004 4854 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4148.9004 with her daughter. And so, 4150.3518 4855 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4150.3518 (pause 0.52) 4150.8746 4856 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4150.8746 um, 4151.2788 4857 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4151.2788 (pause 0.17) 4151.4537 4858 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4151.4537 she 4152.1345 4859 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4152.1345 (pause 0.93) 4153.0658 4860 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4153.0658 was involved with, um, 4154.7468 4861 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4154.7468 (pause 0.83) 4155.5788 4862 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4155.5788 /RD-WORK-2/ Rochester, /RD-WORK-5/ Rochester, but it, 4157.6641 4863 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4157.6641 (pause 0.15) 4157.8154 4864 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4157.8154 um- 4158.0943 4865 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4158.0943 (pause 0.16) 4158.2574 4866 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4158.2574 the agency itself 4159.2761 4867 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4159.2761 (pause 0.59) 4159.8699 4868 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4159.8699 works with people with, uh, s- you know, all, 4161.7750 4869 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4161.7750 (pause 0.67) 4162.4487 4870 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4162.4487 um, 4162.8269 4871 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4162.8269 (pause 0.44) 4163.2693 4872 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4163.2693 different developmental disabilities. 4164.8058 4873 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4164.8058 (pause 0.61) 4165.4156 4874 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4165.4156 And, um, 4166.1275 4875 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4166.1275 (pause 0.61) 4166.7326 4876 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4166.7326 so I came initially just planning on working with this girl, um, to make a little 4170.5528 4877 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4170.5528 (pause 0.17) 4170.7254 4878 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4170.7254 bit of money, and, 4171.9691 4879 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4171.9691 (pause 0.14) 4172.1086 4880 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4172.1086 um, 4172.6073 4881 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4172.6073 (pause 0.70) 4173.3117 4882 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4173.3117 they told me about another program that they had. 4174.9043 4883 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4174.9043 (pause 0.23) 4175.1346 4884 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4175.1346 So I ended up working at /RD-WORK-2/ Rochester for, um, 4178.2197 4885 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4178.2197 (pause 0.47) 4178.6853 4886 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4178.6853 two or three years, 4180.1130 4887 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4180.1130 (pause 0.36) 4180.4723 4888 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4180.4723 um, 4180.9195 4889 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4180.9195 (pause 2.23) 4183.1509 4890 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4183.1509 and that was, um- 4184.5813 4891 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4184.5813 (pause 0.91) 4185.4961 4892 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4185.4961 you know, I had never worked with 4186.4723 4893 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4186.4723 (pause 0.32) 4186.7891 4894 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4186.7891 people with like, 4187.3899 4895 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4187.3899 (pause 0.18) 4187.5743 4896 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4187.5743 you know, different- 4188.0706 4897 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4188.0706 (pause 0.15) 4188.2172 4898 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4188.2172 different abilities, um, 4189.5787 4899 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4189.5787 (pause 0.12) 4189.6949 4900 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4189.6949 in that- 4189.9833 4901 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4189.9833 (pause 0.09) 4190.0779 4902 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4190.0779 to that degree. I was doing a lot of like self care, like, um, 4192.6898 4903 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4192.6898 (pause 1.55) 4194.2385 4904 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4194.2385 uh, 4194.7230 4905 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4194.7230 (pause 0.41) 4195.1343 4906 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4195.1343 like having to 4196.0400 4907 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4196.0400 (pause 0.45) 4196.4892 4908 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4196.4892 like wipe 4197.0565 4909 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4197.0565 (pause 0.12) 4197.1794 4910 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4197.1794 people and shower them and- 4198.4794 4911 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4198.4794 (pause 0.11) 4198.5929 4912 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4198.5929 and 4198.8557 4913 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4198.8557 (pause 0.24) 4199.0944 4914 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4199.0944 never saw myself doing that. 4200.5552 4915 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4200.5552 (pause 0.48) 4201.0327 4916 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4201.0327 Um, 4201.3825 4917 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4201.3825 (pause 0.16) 4201.5385 4918 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4201.5385 and it really wasn't, you know- my job was, 4203.5505 4919 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4203.5505 (pause 0.18) 4203.7278 4920 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4203.7278 um, 4204.1083 4921 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4204.1083 (pause 0.24) 4204.3518 4922 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4204.3518 to help them with life skills 4205.6144 4923 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4205.6144 (pause 0.15) 4205.7657 4924 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4205.7657 but also like, 4206.4890 4925 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4206.4890 (pause 0.13) 4206.6190 4926 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4206.6190 you know, 4206.9641 4927 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4206.9641 (pause 0.13) 4207.0941 4928 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4207.0941 they can't do this themselves so, 4208.5813 4929 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4208.5813 (pause 0.11) 4208.6948 4930 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4208.6948 you know, I was doing some 4209.3708 4931 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4209.3708 (pause 0.09) 4209.4607 4932 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4209.4607 caretaking too. 4210.1627 4933 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4210.1627 (pause 0.43) 4210.5929 4934 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4210.5929 But, um, 4211.2433 4935 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4211.2433 (pause 1.05) 4212.2952 4936 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4212.2952 that was like really 4213.4180 4937 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4213.4180 (pause 0.91) 4214.3308 4938 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4214.3308 eye-opening for me, 4215.3803 4939 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4215.3803 (pause 0.20) 4215.5765 4940 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4215.5765 uh, 4216.0776 4941 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4216.0776 (pause 3.27) 4219.3494 4942 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4219.3494 cause like I said, like 4220.2244 4943 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4220.2244 (pause 0.20) 4220.4253 4944 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4220.4253 I'd- 4220.8414 4945 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4220.8414 (pause 0.12) 4220.9572 4946 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4220.9572 I have always felt like a different learner, 4223.0156 4947 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4223.0156 (pause 0.07) 4223.0830 4948 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4223.0830 and 4223.4679 4949 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4223.4679 (pause 0.12) 4223.5884 4950 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4223.5884 I know this is like- 4224.2574 4951 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4224.2574 (pause 0.27) 4224.5316 4952 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4224.5316 working with them was to a more severe degree. Like some of them couldn't speak at all, and so like 4228.5990 4953 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4228.5990 (pause 0.69) 4229.2916 4954 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4229.2916 having to find other ways to communicate with them, whether it's like, you know, 4232.0394 4955 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4232.0394 (pause 0.27) 4232.3081 4956 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4232.3081 touching with their hands, or, um, 4234.5635 4957 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4234.5635 (pause 0.18) 4234.7479 4958 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4234.7479 you know, like, 4235.2443 4959 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4235.2443 (pause 0.93) 4236.1756 4960 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4236.1756 um, that was really awesome. And I- 4237.8306 4961 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4237.8306 (pause 0.09) 4237.9181 4962 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4237.9181 and I- 4238.1899 4963 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4238.1899 (pause 0.12) 4238.3105 4964 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4238.3105 I felt like I could really relate to them, 4239.9986 4965 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4239.9986 (pause 0.12) 4240.1215 4966 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4240.1215 um, in ways that other people 4241.3412 4967 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4241.3412 (pause 0.13) 4241.4736 4968 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4241.4736 really like detached themselves like 4242.7953 4969 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4242.7953 (pause 0.09) 4242.8875 4970 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4242.8875 that feel very different. 4244.0150 4971 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4244.0150 (pause 0.21) 4244.2254 4972 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4244.2254 Um, 4244.5705 4973 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4244.5705 (pause 0.90) 4245.4668 4974 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4245.4668 I felt like I could like, 4246.5825 4975 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4246.5825 (pause 0.95) 4247.5350 4976 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4247.5350 you know, I- I could relate to them, 4248.8379 4977 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4248.8379 (pause 0.12) 4248.9584 4978 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4248.9584 um, 4249.3083 4979 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4249.3083 (pause 0.10) 4249.4099 4980 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4249.4099 because 4249.7432 4981 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4249.7432 (pause 0.77) 4250.5138 4982 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4250.5138 d- 4250.6840 4983 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4250.6840 (pause 0.24) 4250.9218 4984 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4250.9218 d- 4251.1109 4985 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4251.1109 (pause 0.13) 4251.2399 4986 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4251.2399 despite like 4251.9277 4987 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4251.9277 (pause 0.14) 4252.0695 4988 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4252.0695 ho- you know, like how different 4253.4429 4989 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4253.4429 (pause 0.18) 4253.6225 4990 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4253.6225 their abilities are from mine, 4254.9159 4991 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4254.9159 (pause 0.70) 4255.6155 4992 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4255.6155 I can relate to just like not- 4256.8069 4993 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4256.8069 (pause 0.64) 4257.4479 4994 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4257.4479 not f- quite getting it, you know, and like needing some other form of- uh, 4260.8450 4995 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4260.8450 (pause 0.96) 4261.8046 4996 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4261.8046 of education and care and stuff. 4263.4408 4997 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4263.4408 (pause 0.28) 4263.7197 4998 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4263.7197 So that was really awesome in that 4264.9985 4999 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4264.9985 (pause 0.33) 4265.3294 5000 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4265.3294 I feel like I've like taken a lot of those skills in like 4267.7716 5001 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4267.7716 (pause 0.19) 4267.9607 5002 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4267.9607 other educational capacities that I've worked in. 4270.2563 5003 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4270.2563 (pause 0.56) 4270.8141 5004 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4270.8141 Um, so, 4271.5729 5005 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4271.5729 (pause 0.27) 4271.8471 5006 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4271.8471 um, 4272.4043 5007 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4272.4043 (pause 0.47) 4272.8710 5008 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4272.8710 from /RD-WORK-2/ Rochester, I started working at the /RD-WORK-4/. There I was working with, um, 4276.6652 5009 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4276.6652 (pause 0.83) 4277.4972 5010 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4277.4972 young moms, so sixteen to twenty-one year old, um, either pregnant 4280.7549 5011 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4280.7549 (pause 0.21) 4280.9629 5012 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4280.9629 or parenting, uh, homeless 4282.5210 5013 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4282.5210 (pause 0.34) 4282.8614 5014 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4282.8614 young women. 4283.4098 5015 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4283.4098 (pause 0.62) 4284.0314 5016 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4284.0314 And, um, it was a residential setting, so 4286.3223 5017 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4286.3223 (pause 0.36) 4286.6840 5018 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4286.6840 we had 4287.2702 5019 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4287.2702 (pause 0.08) 4287.3533 5020 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4287.3533 eight beds, 4288.1989 5021 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4288.1989 (pause 0.10) 4288.2947 5022 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4288.2947 and 4288.9843 5023 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4288.9843 (pause 0.10) 4289.0853 5024 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4289.0853 you could either come 4290.0251 5025 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4290.0251 (pause 0.08) 4290.1008 5026 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4290.1008 pregnant 4290.5930 5027 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4290.5930 (pause 0.11) 4290.7018 5028 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4290.7018 or 4291.1517 5029 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4291.1517 (pause 0.07) 4291.2238 5030 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4291.2238 ha- 4291.3396 5031 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4291.3396 (pause 0.07) 4291.4093 5032 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4291.4093 like having children already. 4292.6698 5033 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4292.6698 (pause 1.07) 4293.7386 5034 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4293.7386 And like all of these 4294.9063 5035 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4294.9063 (pause 0.73) 4295.6367 5036 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4295.6367 girls and children living in a house together, (laughing) it was crazy. 4298.8116 5037 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4298.8116 (pause 0.48) 4299.2962 5038 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4299.2962 Um, 4299.8804 5039 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4299.8804 (pause 0.62) 4300.4997 5040 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4300.4997 h- and I was a life skills, uh- like I worked on life skills with them. So, (breathy) um, helping them find housing, employment, like working on employ- 4307.0694 5041 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4307.0694 (pause 0.10) 4307.1734 5042 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4307.1734 employability skills and stuff. 4308.8166 5043 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4308.8166 (pause 0.41) 4309.2303 5044 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4309.2303 Um, and 4309.7857 5045 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4309.7857 (pause 0.44) 4310.2254 5046 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4310.2254 I feel like the biggest part of my job was like w- 4311.9750 5047 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4311.9750 (pause 0.21) 4312.1877 5048 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4312.1877 working on like 4313.0977 5049 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4313.0977 (pause 0.28) 4313.3767 5050 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4313.3767 relationship 4314.1898 5051 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4314.1898 (pause 0.24) 4314.4266 5052 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4314.4266 skills with other human beings, not just like intimate relationships but 4318.2373 5053 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4318.2373 (pause 0.47) 4318.7101 5054 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4318.7101 like 4318.9299 5055 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4318.9299 (pause 0.15) 4319.0788 5056 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4319.0788 living with 4319.8825 5057 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4319.8825 (pause 0.35) 4320.2371 5058 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4320.2371 all these other 4320.8261 5059 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4320.8261 (pause 0.53) 4321.3579 5060 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4321.3579 hormonal 4322.0387 5061 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4322.0387 (pause 0.09) 4322.1308 5062 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4322.1308 teen girls, 4323.0078 5063 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4323.0078 (pause 0.36) 4323.3722 5064 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4323.3722 um, and like not 4324.3603 5065 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4324.3603 (pause 0.20) 4324.5612 5066 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4324.5612 fighting each other. 4325.3152 5067 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4325.3152 (pause 0.39) 4325.7005 5068 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4325.7005 One of the biggest like w- 4326.9750 5069 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4326.9750 (pause 0.20) 4327.1712 5070 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4327.1712 an example that I use of a success story in that job is like 4330.0388 5071 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4330.0388 (pause 0.11) 4330.1452 5072 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4330.1452 we had this one girl who, 4331.2774 5073 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4331.2774 (pause 0.66) 4331.9416 5074 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4331.9416 um, 4332.3222 5075 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4332.3222 (pause 0.10) 4332.4195 5076 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4332.4195 was 4332.7835 5077 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4332.7835 (pause 0.17) 4332.9584 5078 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4332.9584 a hot head, 4333.6415 5079 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4333.6415 (pause 0.13) 4333.7716 5080 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4333.7716 and, um, 4334.5090 5081 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4334.5090 (pause 0.90) 4335.4053 5082 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4335.4053 she had a daughter who was like under a year old, 4337.8636 5083 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4337.8636 (pause 0.59) 4338.4550 5084 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4338.4550 and she was having issues with one of the girls who was pregnant. 4340.7265 5085 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4340.7265 (pause 0.87) 4341.5968 5086 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4341.5968 And, um, 4342.5423 5087 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4342.5423 (pause 0.45) 4342.9890 5088 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4342.9890 it looked like they were going to get into a fight. She had her daughter 4345.5928 5089 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4345.5928 (pause 0.06) 4345.6548 5090 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4345.6548 like in her arms, 4346.5516 5091 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4346.5516 (pause 0.85) 4347.4056 5092 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4347.4056 and 4347.8173 5093 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4347.8173 (pause 0.17) 4347.9851 5094 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4347.9851 she's like having a disagreement with a 4349.5357 5095 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4349.5357 (pause 0.11) 4349.6421 5096 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4349.6421 pregnant girl. 4350.4387 5097 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4350.4387 (pause 0.36) 4350.7956 5098 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4350.7956 And it looked like they were about to fight. So someone came and did take 4353.4458 5099 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4353.4458 (pause 0.06) 4353.5083 5100 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4353.5083 her daughter out of her arms. 4354.8678 5101 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4354.8678 (pause 0.62) 4355.4918 5102 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4355.4918 Um, 4355.9721 5103 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4355.9721 (pause 0.66) 4356.6363 5104 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4356.6363 and instead of 4357.2231 5105 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4357.2231 (pause 0.08) 4357.3046 5106 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4357.3046 punching this girl in the face, she punched 4359.2638 5107 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4359.2638 (pause 0.13) 4359.3961 5108 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4359.3961 the refrigerator. 4360.1884 5109 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4360.1884 (pause 0.79) 4360.9779 5110 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4360.9779 And like in the past that wouldn't have happened. 4362.8500 5111 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4362.8500 (pause 0.38) 4363.2262 5112 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4363.2262 Uh, you know, like 4363.8715 5113 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4363.8715 (pause 0.50) 4364.3679 5114 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4364.3679 she had been at our program for, 4365.9327 5115 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4365.9327 (pause 0.32) 4366.2499 5116 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4366.2499 you know, like eight months or something at that time. 4367.9778 5117 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4367.9778 (pause 0.53) 4368.5120 5118 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4368.5120 And like, you know, 4369.3988 5119 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4369.3988 (pause 0.17) 4369.5737 5120 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4369.5737 when I say this to other people, it's like, 4371.0699 5121 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4371.0699 (pause 0.09) 4371.1645 5122 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4371.1645 /let's/ 4371.8760 5123 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4371.8760 (pause 0.18) 4372.0584 5124 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4372.0584 still so- she- you know, she broke her hand when she 4373.9835 5125 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4373.9835 (pause 0.07) 4374.0562 5126 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4374.0562 punched the refrigerator. 4375.3765 5127 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4375.3765 (pause 0.09) 4375.4634 5128 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4375.4634 Um, 4375.8337 5129 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4375.8337 (pause 0.91) 4376.7390 5130 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4376.7390 but like 4377.1479 5131 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4377.1479 (pause 0.80) 4377.9445 5132 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4377.9445 for her that was 4379.0748 5133 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4379.0748 (pause 0.10) 4379.1788 5134 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4379.1788 big. You know, like she 4380.6372 5135 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4380.6372 (pause 0.19) 4380.8287 5136 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4380.8287 could've had herself arrested. She could've lost her child. You know, like, 4383.4741 5137 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4383.4741 (pause 0.58) 4384.0556 5138 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4384.0556 um, 4384.3799 5139 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4384.3799 (pause 0.15) 4384.5311 5140 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4384.5311 from the consequences of her actions and 4386.8736 5141 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4386.8736 (pause 0.83) 4387.7061 5142 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4387.7061 i- 4387.8534 5143 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4387.8534 (pause 0.06) 4387.9149 5144 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4387.9149 little things like that, I- I have learned to see as progress. And the same thing when I was working with people with, um, 4393.1509 5145 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4393.1509 (pause 0.14) 4393.2951 5146 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4393.2951 developmental disabilities. 4394.3970 5147 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4394.3970 (pause 0.42) 4394.8177 5148 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4394.8177 Um, 4395.2786 5149 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4395.2786 (pause 0.99) 4396.2667 5150 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4396.2667 you know, progress comes in all 4397.7991 5151 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4397.7991 (pause 0.08) 4397.8839 5152 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4397.8839 shapes and forms, and 4398.7396 5153 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4398.7396 (pause 0.23) 4398.9719 5154 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4398.9719 I've learned to like not 4400.2488 5155 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4400.2488 (pause 0.53) 4400.7806 5156 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4400.7806 expect so much. 4401.7805 5157 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4401.7805 (pause 0.63) 4402.4068 5158 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4402.4068 Um, so from that job, from the /RD-WORK-4/. I- I'm in my current position. So I work at a birth- 4407.4873 5159 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4407.4873 (pause 0.13) 4407.6126 5160 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4407.6126 for a birth control clinic, and I do sexual and reproductive 4410.0831 5161 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4410.0831 (pause 0.08) 4410.1641 5162 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4410.1641 health education. 4410.8910 5163 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4410.8910 (pause 0.53) 4411.4228 5164 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4411.4228 So I give the whole gamut because it really doesn't, 4414.5345 5165 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4414.5345 (pause 0.33) 4414.8654 5166 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4414.8654 you know, some p- it doesn't look like 4416.3226 5167 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4416.3226 (pause 0.40) 4416.7261 5168 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4416.7261 the same thing. And the constant for me, 4419.0690 5169 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4419.0690 (pause 0.46) 4419.5275 5170 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4419.5275 um, is 4420.4163 5171 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4420.4163 (pause 0.32) 4420.7378 5172 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4420.7378 being able to- 4422.0831 5173 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4422.0831 (pause 0.59) 4422.6717 5174 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4422.6717 to educate people. Like I, um- 4424.2483 5175 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4424.2483 (pause 0.57) 4424.8184 5176 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4424.8184 it looks very different in different positions, and I don't know like what, 4428.2675 5177 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4428.2675 (pause 0.58) 4428.8443 5178 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4428.8443 you know, the end goal for me 4430.2271 5179 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4430.2271 (pause 0.10) 4430.3311 5180 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4430.3311 is gonna be. And like 4431.2321 5181 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4431.2321 (pause 0.39) 4431.6244 5182 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4431.6244 I- I really can't see 4433.0167 5183 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4433.0167 (pause 0.54) 4433.5608 5184 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4433.5608 how to make all of this experience (laughing) like into a certain position. Um, 4436.9862 5185 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4436.9862 (pause 1.11) 4438.0996 5186 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4438.0996 but I- I like to 4439.1680 5187 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4439.1680 (pause 0.09) 4439.2531 5188 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4439.2531 be able to educate people, um, i- 4441.0210 5189 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4441.0210 (pause 0.07) 4441.0860 5190 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4441.0860 and 4441.2887 5191 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4441.2887 (pause 0.20) 4441.4919 5192 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4441.4919 expand people's, 4442.4162 5193 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4442.4162 (pause 0.81) 4443.2250 5194 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4443.2250 um, 4443.6174 5195 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4443.6174 (pause 0.17) 4443.7923 5196 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4443.7923 understanding of things that they may not have access to. Like just like for me, 4446.9199 5197 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4446.9199 (pause 0.59) 4447.5085 5198 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4447.5085 I was very frustrated 4448.5887 5199 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4448.5887 (pause 0.65) 4449.2415 5200 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4449.2415 to get this education that 4450.6479 5201 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4450.6479 (pause 0.13) 4450.7827 5202 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4450.7827 I had never had access to, and so I- I try to like make the access 4454.2176 5203 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4454.2176 (pause 0.39) 4454.6104 5204 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4454.6104 in the positions that I hold, 4455.7048 5205 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4455.7048 (pause 0.42) 4456.1232 5206 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4456.1232 um, 4456.4707 5207 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4456.4707 (pause 0.17) 4456.6361 5208 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4456.6361 you know, like 4457.1160 5209 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4457.1160 (pause 0.38) 4457.4946 5210 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4457.4946 greater. Cause I- I feel like esp- you know, when I was doing that /RD-WORK-2/ Rochester job, 4460.4516 5211 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4460.4516 (pause 0.26) 4460.7097 5212 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4460.7097 there are a lot of people who were l- 4461.6552 5213 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4461.6552 (pause 0.15) 4461.8041 5214 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4461.8041 who just kind of looked at 4462.5699 5215 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4462.5699 (pause 0.21) 4462.7803 5216 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4462.7803 these people like- 4463.5627 5217 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4463.5627 (pause 1.07) 4464.6315 5218 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4464.6315 like there's no h- hope. You know, like 4466.0852 5219 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4466.0852 (pause 0.12) 4466.2058 5220 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4466.2058 this is just 4466.9106 5221 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4466.9106 (pause 0.33) 4467.2368 5222 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4467.2368 their life, and, 4467.9199 5223 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4467.9199 (pause 0.61) 4468.5298 5224 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4468.5298 you know, I wouldn't want somebody- I wouldn't want that 4470.5624 5225 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4470.5624 (pause 0.12) 4470.6812 5226 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4470.6812 to be it for me, so 4471.8337 5227 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4471.8337 (pause 0.88) 4472.7130 5228 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4472.7130 that's what I- that's what I try to do. So in my current position, um, I really- 4475.4254 5229 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4475.4254 (pause 1.05) 4476.4757 5230 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4476.4757 I have a lot of fun, um, 4477.9318 5231 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4477.9318 (pause 2.95) 4480.8865 5232 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4480.8865 it's- some people get really uncomfortable with like the whole, you know talking about sex. For me, 4485.1326 5233 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4485.1326 (pause 0.80) 4485.9363 5234 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4485.9363 I like to be able to normalize things that seem very taboo, 4489.2593 5235 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4489.2593 (pause 0.12) 4489.3799 5236 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4489.3799 uh, to people. That's- 4490.4424 5237 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4490.4424 (pause 0.19) 4490.6315 5238 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4490.6315 that's been really awesome for me. 4491.8559 5239 ROC_int_01 4492.6964 Okay. 4493.1644 5240 ROC_int_01 4493.1644 (pause 0.23) 4493.3961 5241 ROC_int_01 4493.3961 Cool. 4493.8688 5242 ROC_int_01 4493.8688 (pause 0.45) 4494.3179 5243 ROC_int_01 4494.3179 Well, 4494.7718 5244 ROC_int_01 4494.7718 (pause 0.17) 4494.9419 5245 ROC_int_01 4494.9419 okay, I have 4495.7551 5246 ROC_int_01 4495.7551 (pause 0.22) 4495.9725 5247 ROC_int_01 4495.9725 like, uh, my last question- it's been so great [talking to you both.] 4499.7648 5248 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4498.8949 [] 4499.9444 5249 ROC_int_01 4500.1666 It's really been enlightening in different ways. 4502.5757 5250 ROC_int_01 4502.5757 (pause 0.34) 4502.9114 5251 ROC_int_01 4502.9114 Um, 4503.4456 5252 ROC_int_01 4503.4456 (pause 0.53) 4503.9750 5253 ROC_int_01 4503.9750 so I always ask about language at the end, and whether or not you, um, 4509.0201 5254 ROC_int_01 4509.0201 (pause 0.88) 4509.9041 5255 ROC_int_01 4509.9041 feel like Rochesterians have an accent 4512.8285 5256 ROC_int_01 4512.8285 (pause 0.13) 4512.9561 5257 ROC_int_01 4512.9561 or have been told once you left, [you know, Rochester], 4516.0616 5258 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4515.0044 [ Yeah.] 4515.8365 5259 ROC_int_01 4516.1290 hey you sound 4517.2240 5260 ROC_int_01 4517.2240 (pause 0.13) 4517.3516 5261 ROC_int_01 4517.3516 x kind of way or, 4518.4947 5262 ROC_int_01 4518.4947 (pause 0.15) 4518.6436 5263 ROC_int_01 4518.6436 you [know, this kind] of way. 4519.9850 5264 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4519.0112 [Yeah.] 4519.3894 5265 ROC_int_01 4520.5571 So yeah, 4521.1543 5266 ROC_int_01 4521.1543 (pause 0.13) 4521.2891 5267 ROC_int_01 4521.2891 uh, do you think Rochesterians, um, have a r- 4524.5857 5268 ROC_int_01 4524.5857 (pause 0.28) 4524.8646 5269 ROC_int_01 4524.8646 an- have an accent, whether or not you can perceive it 4527.3371 5270 ROC_int_01 4527.3371 (pause 0.30) 4527.6358 5271 ROC_int_01 4527.6358 is another story [but] 4528.6474 5272 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4528.4394 [] 4529.3518 5273 ROC_int_01 4528.8649 [do other] people tell you [maybe?] 4530.3635 5274 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4530.0799 [Yeah, I don't] know about you, but 4531.1814 5275 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4531.7629 I- 4531.9520 5276 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4531.9520 (pause 0.14) 4532.0890 5277 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4532.0890 I've been told by a number of people that I 4534.2314 5278 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4534.2314 (pause 1.28) 4535.5126 5279 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4535.5126 have 4535.8530 5280 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4535.8530 (pause 1.83) 4537.6872 5281 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4537.6872 the Rochester accent. It's, uh- 4539.4600 5282 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4539.4600 (pause 0.29) 4539.7492 5283 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4539.7492 it's more New England 4540.7184 5284 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4540.7184 (pause 0.46) 4541.1769 5285 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4541.1769 like we- 4541.5173 5286 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4541.5173 (pause 0.87) 4542.3872 5287 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4542.3872 New York, (atypical pronunciation) n- [n-] 4543.3799 5288 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4543.2712 [] 4544.1824 5289 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4544.1984 not- 4544.4185 5290 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4544.4185 (pause 0.81) 4545.2269 5291 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4545.2269 but yeah, 4545.6784 5292 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4545.6784 (pause 0.13) 4545.8121 5293 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4545.8121 um, and my relatives 4547.1926 5294 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4547.1926 (pause 0.40) 4547.5972 5295 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4547.5972 in New Jersey who also have accents 4550.2233 5296 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4550.2233 (pause 0.59) 4550.8183 5297 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4550.8183 tell me 4551.3997 5298 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4551.3997 (pause 0.48) 4551.8843 5299 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4551.8843 that I 4552.3736 5300 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4552.3736 (pause 0.57) 4552.9389 5301 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4552.9389 talk- 4553.3030 5302 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4553.3030 (pause 0.78) 4554.0806 5303 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4554.0806 that I, 4554.3643 5304 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4554.3643 (pause 0.23) 4554.5936 5305 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4554.5936 you know- 4554.8748 5306 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4554.8748 (pause 0.55) 4555.4230 5307 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4555.4230 they can hear it- 4556.0730 5308 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4556.0730 (pause 0.17) 4556.2408 5309 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4556.2408 that they can hear it. 4556.8784 5310 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4556.8784 (pause 0.11) 4556.9931 5311 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4556.9931 I don't know about you. 4557.6835 5312 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4558.1651 Yeah. Yeah, my mom is from Jersey, 4560.1223 5313 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4560.1223 (pause 0.23) 4560.3555 5314 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4560.3555 um, and, uh, 4561.3601 5315 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4561.3601 (pause 0.51) 4561.8660 5316 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4561.8660 I think 4562.2205 5317 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4562.2205 (pause 0.17) 4562.3884 5318 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4562.3884 both of tho- like we have- 4563.7645 5319 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4563.7645 (pause 0.40) 4564.1663 5320 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4564.1663 it's more subtle. 4564.8459 5321 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4564.8459 (pause 0.38) 4565.2300 5322 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4565.2300 But definitely like, when I went, 4567.1663 5323 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4567.1663 (pause 0.16) 4567.3247 5324 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4567.3247 um, 4567.8967 5325 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4567.8967 (pause 0.44) 4568.3340 5326 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4568.3340 to school, so /RD-SCHOOL-2/ is like between Albany and New York City, 4571.4522 5327 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4571.4522 (pause 0.54) 4571.9939 5328 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4571.9939 um, 4572.4095 5329 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4572.4095 (pause 0.06) 4572.4739 5330 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4572.4739 so a lot of people from New York City were there and 4574.1709 5331 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4574.1709 (pause 0.35) 4574.5184 5332 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4574.5184 everybody kept saying we sound country. 4576.0788 5333 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4576.0788 (pause 0.80) 4576.8778 5334 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4576.8778 Um, got that a lot. [] 4579.0032 5335 ROC_int_01 4578.7782 [Mm-hm.] 4579.4353 5336 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4579.5800 Um, 4580.1472 5337 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4580.1472 (pause 0.48) 4580.6247 5338 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4580.6247 and, uh- 4581.5423 5339 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4581.5423 (pause 1.11) 4582.6556 5340 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4582.6556 and definitely like the words that we use also, um, r- 4585.5232 5341 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4585.5232 (pause 0.30) 4585.8211 5342 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4585.8211 were- 4586.1425 5343 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4586.1425 (pause 0.24) 4586.3813 5344 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4586.3813 were just 4586.7977 5345 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4586.7977 (pause 0.06) 4586.8600 5346 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4586.8600 different. It- I think they make 4588.2041 5347 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4588.2041 (pause 0.27) 4588.4761 5348 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4588.4761 more sense, like, 4589.3795 5349 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4589.3795 (pause 0.50) 4589.8806 5350 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4589.8806 um, 4590.3249 5351 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4590.3249 (pause 0.60) 4590.9253 5352 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4590.9253 a lot of my friends, you know, we say slapping somebody up. You know, 4593.9277 5353 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4593.9277 (pause 0.48) 4594.4099 5354 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4594.4099 and they would say pounds. And so 4596.1855 5355 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4596.1855 (pause 0.70) 4596.8852 5356 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4596.8852 at first they were like, 4597.8532 5357 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4597.8532 (pause 0.07) 4597.9225 5358 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4597.9225 nah, you know, like just because they were used to what they were used to, 4600.1641 5359 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4600.1641 (pause 0.27) 4600.4335 5360 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4600.4335 but when I explained it like you're slapping hands, you know, l- they're like, dang that does make more sense. You know, like, stuff like- [] 4606.5218 5361 ROC_int_01 4605.4593 [] 4606.5643 5362 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4605.6897 [] 4606.4296 5363 ROC_int_01 4607.0706 [Yeah.] 4607.4015 5364 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4607.0847 [You know], i- the, um- the edge up and the line up, you know, 4609.7905 5365 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4609.8527 um, all that stuff, uh, 4611.4154 5366 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4611.4154 (pause 0.92) 4612.3319 5367 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4612.3319 you know, when w- 4612.8783 5368 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4612.8783 (pause 0.14) 4613.0202 5369 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4613.0202 when I would explain like what was behind it, 4614.7930 5370 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4614.7930 (pause 0.40) 4615.1948 5371 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4615.1948 it was always like, yeah th- 4616.3440 5372 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4616.3440 (pause 0.26) 4616.6046 5373 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4616.6046 still- I'm still gonna say this, you know, but- [] 4619.2684 5374 ROC_int_01 4618.7644 [] 4619.5019 5375 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4619.8877 Um, but yeah. 4621.0412 5376 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4621.0412 (pause 0.74) 4621.7838 5377 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4621.7838 But yes, definitely, um, 4623.2351 5378 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4623.2351 (pause 0.12) 4623.3509 5379 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4623.3509 for the accent 4624.0837 5380 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4624.0837 (pause 0.68) 4624.7645 5381 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4624.7645 it- 4625.0013 5382 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4625.0013 (pause 0.78) 4625.7837 5383 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4625.7837 b- 4625.8853 5384 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4625.8853 (pause 0.20) 4626.0886 5385 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4626.0886 but yes, I definitely think I- I go blind to- you know, 4628.4267 5386 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4628.4267 (pause 0.43) 4628.8617 5387 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4628.8617 sound-blind 4629.8804 5388 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4629.8804 (pause 0.17) 4630.0506 5389 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4630.0506 [deaf to it. Yeah I don't] know, [but, um-] 4631.6986 5390 ROC_int_01 4630.3272 [Mm-hm.] 4630.7763 5391 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4630.6880 [Yeah.] 4630.8936 5392 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4631.1938 [Yeah.] 4631.3687 5393 ROC_int_01 4631.4042 [Yeah.] 4631.6807 5394 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4632.9017 but I hear from other people that they hear- 4635.1689 5395 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4635.1689 (pause 0.25) 4635.4171 5396 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4635.4171 I was in California. I was in San Diego, and I was telling a story, 4637.4851 5397 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4637.4851 (pause 1.72) 4639.2066 5398 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4639.2066 (pause 0.50) 4639.7034 5399 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4639.7034 and I said cop, 4640.6206 5400 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4640.6206 (pause 1.33) 4641.9466 5401 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4641.9466 and 4642.6652 5402 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4642.6652 (pause 0.11) 4642.7767 5403 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4642.7767 I don't know how I said it, but 4644.0957 5404 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4644.0957 (pause 0.33) 4644.4242 5405 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4644.4242 y- 4644.5731 5406 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4644.5731 (pause 0.11) 4644.6795 5407 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4644.6795 you know, I was like, yeah and the cops- you know, and th- 4646.1904 5408 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4646.1904 (pause 0.08) 4646.2731 5409 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4646.2731 th- these like cops came or something like that. And this girl was like, 4648.1924 5410 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4648.1924 (pause 0.23) 4648.4264 5411 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4648.4264 with the caps. 4649.3156 5412 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4649.3156 (pause 0.10) 4649.4149 5413 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4649.4149 Like, you know, and I'm like what, I did not say [that.] (laughing) 4651.8749 5414 ROC_int_01 4651.6111 [ Right>] 4652.3889 5415 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4651.7037 [] 4653.1103 5416 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4652.4055 [But like that's what] they heard. They heard- you know, like 4654.5281 5417 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4654.9921 they heard that 4655.6249 5418 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4655.6249 (pause 0.24) 4655.8647 5419 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4655.8647 kind of 4656.2784 5420 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4656.2784 (pause 0.39) 4656.6637 5421 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4656.6637 twang to it. 4657.2971 5422 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4657.4754 Yeah. 4657.7354 5423 ROC_int_01 4658.1561 Yeah. 4658.4634 5424 ROC_int_01 4658.4634 (pause 0.79) 4659.2529 5425 ROC_int_01 4659.2529 Okay. 4659.8155 5426 ROC_int_01 4659.8155 (pause 0.10) 4659.9195 5427 ROC_int_01 4659.9195 Cool. 4660.5293 5428 ROC_int_01 4660.5293 (pause 0.40) 4660.9292 5429 ROC_int_01 4660.9292 Well, 4661.4918 5430 ROC_int_01 4661.4918 (pause 0.50) 4661.9910 5431 ROC_int_01 4661.9910 m- this concludes my questions, but, um, 4664.6154 5432 ROC_int_01 4664.6154 (pause 0.76) 4665.3786 5433 ROC_int_01 4665.3786 do you both still consent to me using these interviews? [I always aks] at [the end. Okay.] 4670.2148 5434 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4668.6942 [Yes.] 4669.0180 5435 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4668.7462 [Yeah.] 4668.9754 5436 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4669.3253 [Absolutely.] 4669.8740 5437 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4669.8740 (pause 0.07) 4669.9425 5438 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4669.9425 [Yeah.] 4670.2046 5439 ROC_se0_ag3_m_02 4670.3222 [Yup.] 4670.4522 5440 ROC_int_01 4670.3387 [Great.] 4670.6915 5441 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4670.5361 [] 4671.0295 5442 ROC_int_01 4670.9775 [And] I just have a couple, uh, background questionnaires, 4674.1501 5443 ROC_se0_ag2_f_01 4674.3238 Okay 4674.5460 5444 ROC_int_01 4674.5744 um, 4674.9715 5445 ROC_int_01 4674.9715 (pause 0.33) 4675.2977 5446 ROC_int_01 4675.2977 and then yeah. 4676.1360 5447 ROC_int_01 4676.1360 (pause 0.23) 4676.3630 5448 ROC_int_01 4676.3630 We're done. I can pay you. 4677.3703