Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 ROC_int_01 0.0150 Okay. 0.5414 2 ROC_int_01 0.5414 (pause 0.28) 0.8245 3 ROC_int_01 0.8245 So, do you give consent to use this interview? 4.3908 4 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 4.9626 I do, 5.5082 5 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 5.5082 (pause 0.13) 5.6376 6 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 5.6376 [I do.] 6.0376 7 ROC_int_01 5.6419 [/All right/, yep], 6.5816 8 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 6.1944 [] 6.5702 9 ROC_int_01 6.7622 great, [] always have to start off there first. 9.8191 10 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 7.5830 [] 8.1661 11 ROC_int_01 10.2550 So what part of Rochester did you grow up in? 12.9212 12 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 13.1698 13.2717 13 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 13.2717 (pause 0.13) 13.4019 14 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 13.4019 Um, I think technically the nineteenth ward. I grew up on a 17.2173 15 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 17.2173 (pause 0.30) 17.5173 16 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 17.5173 /RD-ADDRESS-3/ between 19.1250 17 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 19.1250 (pause 0.34) 19.4641 18 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 19.4641 /RD-ADDRESS-3/ 20.3676 19 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 20.3676 (pause 0.15) 20.5206 20 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 20.5206 and, uh, 21.6096 21 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 21.6096 (pause 0.77) 22.3795 22 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 22.3795 22.4701 23 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 22.4701 (pause 0.10) 22.5663 24 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 22.5663 /RD-ADDRESS-3/ right where all of the gentrification is happening 25.6566 25 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 25.6566 (pause 0.20) 25.8547 26 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 25.8547 right [now.] 26.2453 27 ROC_int_01 26.1434 [Mm], we're gonna get to that. [] 29.0022 28 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 27.6832 [] 28.9965 29 ROC_int_01 29.3475 We'll talk [about that] down the [road for sure.] 31.8661 30 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 29.9079 [Yes] 30.3325 31 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 30.3325 (pause 0.36) 30.6948 32 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 30.6948 [yes that's- that's where I] grew up and that's where my parents are still. [So], 34.1531 33 ROC_int_01 33.9096 [Okay. And] 34.8097 34 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 34.5154 [yeah.] 34.8437 35 ROC_int_01 35.1550 for someone who's not from Rochester, how would you describe the area to them? 39.0492 36 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 39.2700 39.3436 37 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 39.3436 (pause 0.20) 39.5473 38 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 39.5473 I would describe it as inner city. I mean, I grew up, 42.5759 39 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 42.5759 (pause 0.22) 42.7962 40 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 42.7962 um, I'm 44.0033 41 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 44.0033 (pause 0.12) 44.1248 42 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 44.1248 thirty-nine now, but when I grew up, it was the G-Boys and the Black Mob and, 47.5853 43 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 47.5853 (pause 0.37) 47.9589 44 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 47.9589 you know it's a- you know, between jen- 49.2043 45 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 49.2043 (pause 0.40) 49.6057 46 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 49.6057 Cottage Street was pretty- 50.8153 47 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 50.8153 (pause 0.17) 50.9813 48 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 50.9813 a lot of homeowners, but Genesee and Jefferson, um, a lot of, uh, just, 56.2623 49 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 56.2623 (pause 0.61) 56.8731 50 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 56.8731 um, activity, 58.1759 51 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 58.1759 (pause 0.15) 58.3210 52 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 58.3210 uh, around, but also a very 60.6948 53 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 60.6948 (pause 0.24) 60.9377 54 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 60.9377 pretty area. Um, a lot of old homes, a lot of 63.7285 55 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 63.7285 (pause 0.58) 64.3116 56 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 64.3116 uh, older residents, um, living in the area. And so, it- it was a [mix] of 69.3719 57 ROC_int_01 68.6359 [Oh.] 68.9360 58 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 69.9266 you know, the city. [] 72.1126 59 ROC_int_01 71.1689 [Mm-hm.] 71.8068 60 ROC_int_01 71.8068 (pause 0.19) 71.9989 61 ROC_int_01 71.9989 [Yeah.] 72.3665 62 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 72.3401 That's how I would describe it. 73.6350 63 ROC_int_01 73.6453 Okay cool. And did you enjoy your time growing up there? 77.1777 64 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 77.2003 I loved, um, 78.7910 65 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 78.7910 (pause 0.36) 79.1528 66 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 79.1528 where I grew up. I, 80.4605 67 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 80.4605 (pause 0.52) 80.9813 68 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 80.9813 I- I think you appreciate it more when you grow up. 82.9997 69 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 82.9997 (pause 0.16) 83.1604 70 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 83.1604 Um, and uh, 84.9665 71 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 84.9665 (pause 0.88) 85.8434 72 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 85.8434 I- 86.3076 73 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 86.3076 (pause 0.25) 86.5624 74 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 86.5624 I meant to read an article recently, 88.9003 75 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 88.9003 (pause 0.27) 89.1720 76 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 89.1720 I haven't read it yet, and it's about why, 91.4700 77 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 91.4700 (pause 0.72) 92.1887 78 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 92.1887 um, African Americans who make it, 94.1814 79 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 94.1814 (pause 0.59) 94.7701 80 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 94.7701 don't leave the city. 96.1061 81 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 96.1061 (pause 0.16) 96.2646 82 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 96.2646 [I didn't] read it, 97.3792 83 ROC_int_01 96.3453 [Hm.] 96.6152 84 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 98.0235 but she and I talk about this all the time, like, I would never live this- leave the city. In- and I think the older I get, the more I want to 104.6982 85 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 104.6982 (pause 0.62) 105.3133 86 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 105.3133 be in what might be described as a grittier part of the city and not necessarily- 109.9722 87 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 109.9722 (pause 0.53) 110.4986 88 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 110.4986 you know, cause there are 111.2798 89 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 111.2798 (pause 0.72) 112.0039 90 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 112.0039 people think of the- 112.5530 91 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 112.5530 (pause 0.13) 112.6832 92 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 112.6832 the city as the city, but in Rochester there are, 115.1796 93 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 115.1796 (pause 0.11) 115.2928 94 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 115.2928 all white neighborhoods in the city, you know, Park Ave and East Ave and 118.8813 95 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 118.8813 (pause 0.38) 119.2587 96 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 119.2587 and so, when you make it, you might not leave the city, but you might move to that area. You know, and I'm like, 124.0535 97 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 124.0535 (pause 0.17) 124.2228 98 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 124.2228 I don't know if I wanna live in that area. 125.8169 99 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 125.8169 (pause 0.47) 126.2822 100 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 126.2822 Might wanna live in 127.1009 101 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 127.1009 (pause 0.51) 127.6158 102 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 127.6158 you know, 128.1120 103 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 128.1120 (pause 0.68) 128.7943 104 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 128.7943 South Wedge and 130.1403 105 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 130.1403 (pause 0.23) 130.3717 106 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 130.3717 Corn Hill, and- which is right around the corner from where I grew up as well. 134.0748 107 ROC_int_01 134.0726 Ah, yeah, I live in Corn Hill. 135.5241 108 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 135.5241 yes. 135.8839 109 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 135.9583 [I-] 136.3057 110 ROC_int_01 136.0017 [Well, my] family. 136.6468 111 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 136.7089 When you said that, I was like, oh, I could go over- that's like, you know, walking distance from my parents. [So, yeah.] [So.] 142.3863 112 ROC_int_01 140.8737 [Mm-hm] 141.7550 113 ROC_int_01 141.7550 (pause 0.24) 141.9955 114 ROC_int_01 141.9955 [Yeah.] and so, we- I think you talked about it a little bit, but how do you think the community has changed from 148.1444 115 ROC_int_01 148.5972 the time in which you were growing up versus now? 151.4381 116 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 151.5640 Gentrification is happening. So I grew up around the corner from the U of R and they built that bridge and we used to 156.6504 117 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 156.6504 (pause 0.34) 156.9871 118 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 156.9871 walk across the bridge and watch the games, the football games, um, during section five championships and 162.8799 119 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 162.8799 (pause 0.22) 163.1032 120 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 163.1032 yeah, um, walking distance from my house- well, U of R is coming up and 167.1183 121 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 167.1183 (pause 0.34) 167.4594 122 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 167.4594 they're building and College Town is booming and so, 170.8108 123 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 170.8108 (pause 0.30) 171.1085 124 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 171.1085 they've decided that they wanna, 172.6468 125 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 172.6468 (pause 0.86) 173.5028 126 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 173.5028 basically, i- um, take up that neighborhood and so, 177.4631 127 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 177.4631 (pause 0.38) 177.8467 128 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 177.8467 it's the strangest thing, um, 179.8378 129 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 179.8378 (pause 0.12) 179.9618 130 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 179.9618 it was a very predominantly black neighborhood, um, 183.5427 131 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 183.5427 (pause 0.59) 184.1320 132 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 184.1320 and, uh, on my parent's street, 186.3340 133 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 186.3340 (pause 0.44) 186.7744 134 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 186.7744 you'll see a house full of college kids, so like this, 190.3243 135 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 190.3243 (pause 0.32) 190.6468 136 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 190.6468 you know, 191.0996 137 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 191.0996 (pause 0.32) 191.4160 138 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 191.4160 bro house, in the middle of the hood. 195.4311 139 ROC_int_01 195.1983 [Right.] 195.7303 140 ROC_int_01 195.7303 [] 196.1930 141 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 195.9645 [and], uh, and so, it's- i- it's a little, 199.6198 142 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 200.4076 n- uh, 201.4001 143 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 201.4001 (pause 0.84) 202.2374 144 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 202.2374 /I don't wanna s- i-/, 203.1059 145 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 203.1059 (pause 1.36) 204.4705 146 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 204.4705 it knocks you back a little, [um], because I think I was in the middle about gentrification cause I used to get upset and say things like, 211.1280 147 ROC_int_01 206.6092 [Mm.] 206.9185 148 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 211.6695 I'd love for businesses to be in the city. And we deserve good restaurants, and, you know, they all move out 217.0660 149 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 217.0660 (pause 0.29) 217.3593 150 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 217.3593 of our neighborhoods. And, 218.6991 151 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 218.6991 (pause 0.38) 219.0837 152 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 219.0837 now that I see what's happening, I'm like, wait a minute. 223.2707 153 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 223.2707 (pause 0.47) 223.7405 154 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 223.7405 the- this neighborhood that nobody wanted to live in, now you can't get an apartment for under twelve-hundred [dollars, you know.] Or- 230.0550 155 ROC_int_01 229.2673 [Mm-hm.] 229.6687 156 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 230.3715 you know- for a one bedroom, some- 231.8684 157 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 231.8684 (pause 0.24) 232.1037 158 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 232.1037 some of these, 232.7782 159 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 232.7782 (pause 0.49) 233.2638 160 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 233.2638 and so it's like, 234.4175 161 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 234.4175 (pause 0.22) 234.6346 162 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 234.6346 pushing the folks 235.8752 163 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 235.8752 (pause 0.38) 236.2593 164 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 236.2593 who have lived here forever 237.7943 165 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 237.7943 (pause 0.12) 237.9158 166 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 237.9158 out. And it's a different kind of ownership 240.7440 167 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 240.7440 (pause 0.20) 240.9443 168 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 240.9443 that I'm feeling, like, what? 242.9850 169 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 242.9850 (pause 0.37) 243.3572 170 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 243.3572 I don't know if like this whole gentrification thing now, because it means, 246.8139 171 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 246.8139 (pause 0.35) 247.1664 172 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 247.1664 you displace the folks 248.8474 173 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 248.8474 (pause 0.55) 249.3939 174 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 249.3939 who are there. You don't just bring the 250.8391 175 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 250.8391 (pause 0.18) 251.0169 176 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 251.0169 good restaurants and the businesses, but you displace the folks who are there and that's the part that's a little 255.8827 177 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 255.8827 (pause 0.22) 256.1060 178 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 256.1060 disconcerting. 256.9868 179 ROC_int_01 257.1629 Yeah and so, just to build on that, when you say displaced, like, where do these folks go? 262.5346 180 ROC_int_01 262.5346 (pause 0.23) 262.7659 181 ROC_int_01 262.7659 That's one of the questions that I have, but do you have any sense of like, maybe what areas they're- 268.1500 182 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 268.2200 They move- 268.8900 183 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 268.8900 (pause 0.56) 269.4482 184 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 269.4482 they move into it- so- w- i- it's almost like, 271.9418 185 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 271.9418 (pause 0.42) 272.3636 186 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 272.3636 you reduce their foot space, or their footprint and so, 276.4035 187 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 276.4035 (pause 0.36) 276.7632 188 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 276.7632 um, 277.3959 189 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 277.3959 (pause 0.24) 277.6378 190 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 277.6378 277.6812 191 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 277.6812 (pause 0.09) 277.7681 192 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 277.7681 my sister was looking for apartments over there and she had to move on this side of town 281.7087 193 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 281.7087 (pause 0.35) 282.0561 194 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 282.0561 you know, you have to move to the East side. 283.5944 195 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 283.5944 (pause 0.27) 283.8673 196 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 283.8673 So you have to go find, 285.6600 197 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 285.6600 (pause 0.39) 286.0464 198 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 286.0464 an urban area that you can afford, 288.4345 199 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 288.4345 (pause 0.33) 288.7632 200 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 288.7632 and so it's almost like you're being displaced, or, 291.3684 201 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 291.3684 (pause 0.59) 291.9595 202 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 291.9595 um, 292.6480 203 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 292.6480 (pause 1.23) 293.8762 204 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 293.8762 all pushed 294.9431 205 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 294.9431 (pause 0.19) 295.1354 206 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 295.1354 into a smaller segment 296.5869 207 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 296.5869 (pause 0.19) 296.7719 208 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 296.7719 of the inner city. And- and so that's what I've seen happening, 300.2907 209 ROC_int_01 300.6319 [Mm-hm.] 301.3576 210 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 300.6629 [um, folks can't] afford to- 301.7919 211 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 302.0524 and that was never, like, a great neighborhood to live in. 304.8002 212 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 304.8002 (pause 0.17) 304.9695 213 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 304.9695 [] 307.3576 214 ROC_int_01 305.5875 [Yep.] 305.8512 215 ROC_int_01 305.8512 (pause 0.58) 306.4272 216 ROC_int_01 306.4272 [] 306.9884 217 ROC_int_01 306.9884 (pause 0.37) 307.3570 218 ROC_int_01 307.3570 [Yeah.] 307.8549 219 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 307.4879 [S- so.] 308.2136 220 ROC_int_01 308.1922 My family is from- 309.6403 221 ROC_int_01 310.1039 a lot of my family is from the Nineteenth Ward. 312.3267 222 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 312.3340 Mm-hm. 312.7905 223 ROC_int_01 313.0041 I totally, understand what you [mean. (laughing)] 315.2866 224 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 314.9332 [] 316.4500 225 ROC_int_01 316.2438 [and so], in your mind, what do you im- imagine the neighborhood will look like in maybe ten to twenty years? 322.2806 226 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 322.4942 322.6267 227 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 322.6267 (pause 0.19) 322.8181 228 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 322.8181 You know what, that kind of breaks my heart, but I imagine it looking like, 327.3602 229 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 327.3602 (pause 0.53) 327.8904 230 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 327.8904 the Park Ave area. 329.2157 231 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 329.2157 (pause 1.14) 330.3561 232 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 330.3561 Maybe not Park, 331.8066 233 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 331.8066 (pause 1.81) 333.6180 234 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 333.6180 yeah, 334.1039 235 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 334.1039 (pause 0.45) 334.5531 236 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 334.5531 that's what I imagine it in ten 336.2972 237 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 336.2972 (pause 0.71) 337.0114 238 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 337.0114 fifteen years. 338.0275 239 misc 338.4486 That's sad. 339.2572 240 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 339.2719 Yeah. 339.7873 241 ROC_int_01 339.7873 Mm-hm 340.3101 242 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 340.3248 Yeah, so. 341.2231 243 ROC_int_01 341.2452 Yeah. 341.7164 244 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 341.7503 342.5616 245 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 342.5616 (pause 0.42) 342.9859 246 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 342.9859 oh- well- and for people who don't know what that is, it's a- it's a wealthy neighborhood in the inner city, or in the city of Rochester. 350.6553 247 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 350.6553 (pause 0.69) 351.3500 248 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 351.3500 Um, 352.0308 249 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 352.0308 (pause 0.23) 352.2640 250 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 352.2640 but it's predominantly white. It's where 354.2253 251 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 354.2253 (pause 0.23) 354.4567 252 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 354.4567 yuppies live. Um, it's where 357.6251 253 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 357.6251 (pause 1.00) 358.6277 254 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 358.6277 folks who 359.7141 255 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 359.7141 (pause 1.27) 360.9813 256 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 360.9813 n- i- you know. It's expensive housing in the city, 364.3712 257 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 364.3712 (pause 0.47) 364.8375 258 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 364.8375 um, that is definitely predominantly white. 366.5255 259 ROC_int_01 366.6502 Yeah. 367.2004 260 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 367.3077 Yeah. 367.6760 261 ROC_int_01 367.9325 And so do you think that the U of R is 370.5111 262 ROC_int_01 370.5111 (pause 0.18) 370.6929 263 ROC_int_01 370.6929 trying to make an effort to maybe establish more 373.5781 264 ROC_int_01 373.5781 (pause 0.13) 373.7075 265 ROC_int_01 373.7075 relationships with the local community that's there? Or- 376.8095 266 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 376.8841 376.9681 267 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 376.9681 (pause 0.41) 377.3784 268 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 377.3784 I can't speak to [that], 378.7200 269 ROC_int_01 378.5726 [Mm-hm.] 379.0671 270 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 379.5894 I don't think so. I think they are just trying to make more room and space for their students. 384.8573 271 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 384.8573 (pause 0.42) 385.2816 272 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 385.2816 And trying to make it attractive to the folks that they are, 388.4186 273 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 388.4186 (pause 0.52) 388.9362 274 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 388.9362 um, 389.6589 275 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 389.6589 (pause 1.11) 390.7641 276 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 390.7641 390.8293 277 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 390.8293 (pause 0.11) 390.9412 278 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 390.9412 reaching out to. And so, 393.1223 279 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 393.1223 (pause 0.36) 393.4860 280 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 393.4860 this whole push for safer spaces and 397.1930 281 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 397.1930 (pause 0.43) 397.6267 282 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 397.6267 building, you know, this whole perception that you're in the city, 400.9921 283 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 400.9921 (pause 0.30) 401.2906 284 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 401.2906 the U of R, but it might not be safe and so they're 403.8925 285 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 403.8925 (pause 0.61) 404.5022 286 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 404.5022 taking up real estate 406.3766 287 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 406.3766 (pause 0.66) 407.0388 288 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 407.0388 that is exclusive to the folks that they're catering to. And that's how it feels to me. 411.7938 289 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 411.7938 (pause 0.29) 412.0875 290 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 412.0875 But that's without any data. I don't know what attempts U of R, 415.6547 291 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 415.6547 (pause 0.68) 416.3343 292 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 416.3343 um, has at, uh- my parents live a couple of blocks from U of R, I don't think they've reached out at all, I don't think- 421.9141 293 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 421.9141 (pause 0.16) 422.0710 294 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 422.0710 but 422.3168 295 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 422.3168 (pause 0.42) 422.7336 296 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 422.7336 422.8192 297 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 422.8192 (pause 0.06) 422.8799 298 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 422.8799 who knows, 423.6026 299 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 423.6026 (pause 0.22) 423.8264 300 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 423.8264 um, if there is something in the works, I'm not aware of it. 427.0065 301 ROC_int_01 427.0438 Mm, yeah. 427.6080 302 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 427.6174 [Yeah.] 427.9344 303 ROC_int_01 427.6826 [Mkay.] 428.2049 304 ROC_int_01 428.6141 Um, did you go to school in the Ninteenth Ward? 431.1367 305 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 431.2859 Nope. I went to school at /RD-SCHOOL-4/ 433.0485 306 ROC_int_01 433.3236 [Okay.] 433.6174 307 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 433.3749 [So], I'm a 434.3681 308 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 434.7773 I'm an /RD-SCHOOL-3/. [laugh] 438.5029 309 ROC_int_01 436.0176 [Oh cool. So what was /RD-SCHOOL-3/ like?] 438.5123 310 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 438.7827 I loved [RD-SCHOOL-3/. /RD-SCHOOL-3/, 440.6479 311 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 440.6479 (pause 0.92) 441.5700 312 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 441.5700 excuse me, um, 442.9875 313 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 442.9875 (pause 0.75) 443.7382 314 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 443.7382 443.8221 315 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 443.8221 (pause 1.31) 445.1371 316 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 445.1371 so I graduated in ninety-five 447.2145 317 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 447.2145 (pause 0.08) 447.2902 318 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 447.2902 And I would say we were the last school year, I think in ninety-six 451.2070 319 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 451.2070 (pause 0.56) 451.7666 320 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 451.7666 they started putting in the, um, /medical/ detectors and security and police, the year after I graduated. So, 459.1363 321 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 459.1363 (pause 0.53) 459.6632 322 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 459.6632 459.7145 323 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 459.7145 (pause 0.06) 459.7705 324 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 459.7705 high school I think 461.0434 325 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 461.0434 (pause 1.04) 462.0786 326 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 462.0786 changed a lot the year- cause I remember a lot of my class 465.0244 327 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 465.0244 (pause 0.30) 465.3275 328 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 465.3275 was very upset and we went to the school, like, 467.6776 329 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 467.6776 (pause 0.20) 467.8781 330 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 467.8781 folks went to the schools to kind of say, what's going on? You know. 470.9123 331 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 470.9123 (pause 0.29) 471.2063 332 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 471.2063 Cause we couldn't believe they were putting 472.6518 333 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 472.6518 (pause 0.52) 473.1693 334 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 473.1693 metal- I know that's a 474.3677 335 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 474.3677 (pause 0.44) 474.8060 336 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 474.8060 kind of normal part of everyones life now, but, 477.3228 337 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 477.3228 (pause 0.66) 477.9850 338 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 477.9850 um, 478.3943 339 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 478.3943 (pause 0.19) 478.5825 340 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 478.5825 /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was fun. I went, uh, 480.6009 341 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 480.6009 (pause 0.97) 481.5661 342 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 481.5661 the years that I was in school, we went 483.4347 343 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 483.4347 (pause 0.35) 483.7845 344 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 483.7845 to championships for boys and girls basketball. We were 487.5428 345 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 487.5428 (pause 0.30) 487.8458 346 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 487.8458 a powerhouse in football, 489.4720 347 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 489.4720 (pause 0.43) 489.9057 348 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 489.9057 um, and so, 490.9315 349 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 490.9315 (pause 0.54) 491.4678 350 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 491.4678 491.5610 351 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 491.5610 (pause 0.05) 491.6077 352 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 491.6077 I think if your high school years, 493.4961 353 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 493.4961 (pause 0.20) 493.6919 354 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 493.6919 um, have that kind of stuff, you have a closer connection to your school, there's a lot of 497.5330 355 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 497.5330 (pause 0.46) 497.9900 356 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 497.9900 camaraderie because you're all, like, traveling to states together. And you're the /RD-SCHOOL-3/, and you're, 503.7708 357 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 503.7708 (pause 0.40) 504.1671 358 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 504.1671 you know, so. I loved high school. 506.2188 359 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 506.2188 (pause 0.12) 506.3354 360 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 506.3354 And, uh, /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was a 507.7249 361 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 507.7249 (pause 0.64) 508.3626 362 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 508.3626 pretty diverse high school, 509.9665 363 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 509.9665 (pause 0.15) 510.1155 364 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 510.1155 um, because it's a, um, 511.8644 365 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 511.8644 (pause 0.52) 512.3867 366 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 512.3867 512.5172 367 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 512.5172 (pause 0.57) 513.0861 368 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 513.0861 technical occupational school. 514.5491 369 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 514.5491 (pause 0.23) 514.7823 370 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 514.7823 There were a lot of, uh, immigrants 516.6801 371 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 516.6801 (pause 0.55) 517.2349 372 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 517.2349 that went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 518.0230 373 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 518.0230 (pause 0.24) 518.2608 374 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 518.2608 Um, so I had a lot of Laotian, Vietnamese and, uh, 522.4376 375 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 522.4376 (pause 0.36) 522.7966 376 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 522.7966 Thai students in my classes and some of our shops. 525.8275 377 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 525.8275 (pause 0.32) 526.1481 378 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 526.1481 Didn't speak any English, but they could do math and they could do shop type things and- 530.2794 379 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 530.2794 (pause 0.36) 530.6385 380 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 530.6385 and of course, um, people don't think the inner city's diverse, but I went to school with a lot of, 535.2816 381 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 535.2816 (pause 0.27) 535.5474 382 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 535.5474 um, 535.9810 383 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 535.9810 (pause 0.43) 536.4100 384 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 536.4100 white and Latino kids. Um, as well as the larger population of black students, but 541.1743 385 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 541.1743 (pause 0.53) 541.7059 386 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 541.7059 I loved /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 542.7784 387 ROC_int_01 542.7924 Yeah. 543.2120 388 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 543.2120 I loved high school. 544.3018 389 ROC_int_01 544.4652 [Yeah.] 545.0014 390 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 544.5584 [So.] 545.4957 391 ROC_int_01 545.4957 So, you- I think you mentioned it a little bit, but what k- sorts of activities or clubs were you 550.0828 392 ROC_int_01 550.0828 (pause 0.63) 550.7123 393 ROC_int_01 550.7123 into? 551.2672 394 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 551.3278 551.4304 395 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 551.4304 (pause 0.12) 551.5470 396 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 551.5470 Um, so, 552.7453 397 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 552.7453 (pause 0.54) 553.2816 398 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 553.2816 growing up in the inner city, 554.5126 399 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 554.5126 (pause 0.56) 555.0721 400 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 555.0721 um, my parents didn't have a lot of money. 556.8289 401 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 556.8289 (pause 0.50) 557.3278 402 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 557.3278 Um, they grew themselves, they've been together since they were teenagers. And so, 560.7504 403 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 560.7504 (pause 0.48) 561.2307 404 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 561.2307 they were poor, without parents. Who they lost their parents at young ages, on their own as teenagers 566.3680 405 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 566.3680 (pause 0.39) 566.7597 406 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 566.7597 raising kids and, um, and 569.6496 407 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 569.6496 (pause 0.47) 570.1159 408 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 570.1159 they are successful, 571.6686 409 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 571.6686 (pause 0.55) 572.2188 410 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 572.2188 you know, from 573.1801 411 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 573.1801 (pause 0.12) 573.3017 412 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 573.3017 any standards. 574.4465 413 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 574.4465 (pause 0.41) 574.8615 414 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 574.8615 Um, but they didn't have a lot of money, and so, that's the typically story of inner city kids. That- 579.4592 415 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 579.4592 (pause 0.47) 579.9290 416 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 579.9290 you know, first thing I wanted to do when I got to high school was get a job. You know, cause my parents can't afford to 584.4706 417 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 584.4706 (pause 0.24) 584.7084 418 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 584.7084 buy me the most popular sneakers and all this different stuff. And so, 588.1159 419 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 588.1159 (pause 0.39) 588.5029 420 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 588.5029 /RD-SCHOOL-3/ represented a job. 590.3494 421 ROC_int_01 590.7737 [Mm.] 591.0208 422 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 590.9369 [ And] so, when I was at /RD-SCHOOL-3/, I was a advanced student. I was in a lot of advanced classes and, um, 596.9602 423 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 597.4871 they had a couple of programs 599.5330 424 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 599.5330 (pause 0.56) 600.0972 425 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 600.0972 one at RG and E that was starting and one at Kodak, and 603.3193 426 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 603.3193 (pause 0.25) 603.5711 427 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 603.5711 at the time, getting a job at /RD-WORK-2/ was like, 605.7941 428 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 605.7941 (pause 0.23) 606.0226 429 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 606.0226 getting your master's, you know. Lifetime job, 609.2726 430 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 609.2726 (pause 0.83) 610.1015 431 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 610.1015 obviously that didn't- 612.9552 432 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 612.9552 (pause 0.58) 613.5334 433 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 613.5334 And so even though I graduated, 616.3018 434 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 616.3018 (pause 1.54) 617.8412 435 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 617.8412 617.9470 436 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 617.9470 (pause 0.67) 618.6194 437 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 618.6194 either fifth or sixth in my class, I can't remember. 620.8670 438 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 620.8670 (pause 0.81) 621.6772 439 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 621.6772 nobody really encouraged me to go to college. 623.5237 440 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 623.5237 (pause 0.62) 624.1401 441 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 624.1401 And so, I took that job at /RD-WORK-2/. 626.2294 442 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 626.2294 (pause 0.24) 626.4686 443 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 626.4686 Um, 627.0730 444 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 627.0730 (pause 0.84) 627.9112 445 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 627.9112 really high GPA, but 629.6971 446 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 629.6971 (pause 0.55) 630.2520 447 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 630.2520 my parents didn't go to college. You know, and so, they were all interested in my success. 634.9417 448 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 634.9417 (pause 0.37) 635.3101 449 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 635.3101 Um, but for them, 636.4198 450 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 636.4198 (pause 0.20) 636.6203 451 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 636.6203 /RD-WORK-2/ represented success. 638.4016 452 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 638.4016 (pause 0.40) 638.7979 453 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 638.7979 And so, they encouraged me to have that guaranteed job. 642.1540 454 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 642.1540 (pause 0.42) 642.5784 455 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 642.5784 Um, I mean we talk about it now, I'm a little disappointed that 645.5020 456 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 645.5020 (pause 0.34) 645.8424 457 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 645.8424 none of my counselors, or anybody encouraged me to go to college even though I graduated 650.1684 458 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 650.1684 (pause 0.72) 650.8912 459 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 650.8912 in the top percentage of my class and 652.9510 460 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 652.9510 (pause 0.49) 653.4406 461 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 653.4406 was obviously a- a- a college 655.9306 462 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 655.9306 (pause 1.24) 657.1709 463 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 657.1709 track student. Um, 658.7614 464 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 658.7614 (pause 0.08) 658.8438 465 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 658.8438 so, 659.2448 466 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 659.2448 (pause 0.27) 659.5106 467 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 659.5106 most of my high school I worked. 660.9421 468 ROC_int_01 661.3384 Okay. 661.6602 469 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 661.8187 I got a job the summer before my- 663.8937 470 ROC_int_01 663.9858 Can you just take that out? (whispered) 665.0303 471 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 665.0443 yep, 665.2401 472 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 665.2401 (pause 0.53) 665.7670 473 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 665.7670 I got a job the summer 667.2032 474 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 667.2032 (pause 0.66) 667.8607 475 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 667.8607 before my 668.6673 476 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 668.6673 (pause 1.21) 669.8750 477 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 669.8750 junior year. So sophomore and junior year, I worked the whole summer, I worked every holiday, I worked every break. 675.5999 478 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 675.5999 (pause 0.41) 676.0138 479 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 676.0138 I worked myself to death. Like, 677.9256 480 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 677.9256 (pause 0.28) 678.2053 481 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 678.2053 in hindsight, I worked too much in high school. 680.4249 482 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 680.4249 (pause 0.44) 680.8632 483 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 680.8632 Um, so, I didn't join any clubs. I didn't participate in much, I worked. 683.9769 484 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 683.9769 (pause 0.32) 684.2986 485 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 684.2986 I bought my first car, 685.4550 486 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 685.4550 (pause 0.34) 685.7907 487 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 685.7907 um, 686.2710 488 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 686.2710 (pause 0.33) 686.6021 489 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 686.6021 that summer, with my own money. 688.1875 490 ROC_int_01 688.5244 [Mm.] 688.7580 491 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 688.5500 [It was a] piece of crap, but it was my car, that I bought with my own money, 692.0926 492 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 692.1945 going into the eleventh grade. 693.7305 493 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 693.7305 (pause 0.55) 694.2816 494 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 694.2816 And, uh, 695.6085 495 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 695.6085 (pause 0.51) 696.1167 496 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 696.1167 um, so, I had a car, so I could go to all the games. 699.5580 497 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 699.5580 (pause 0.38) 699.9392 498 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 699.9392 So, I would work, I'd go to school, 701.4266 499 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 701.4266 (pause 0.19) 701.6131 500 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 701.6131 I'd leave, I'd work, 702.6810 501 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 702.6810 (pause 0.39) 703.0680 502 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 703.0680 and then I'd come to the games. And so, that's what I did my, uh, 706.8298 503 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 706.8298 (pause 0.62) 707.4453 504 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 707.4453 years at, 708.0340 505 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 708.0340 (pause 0.16) 708.1908 506 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 708.1908 uh, 708.7556 507 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 708.7556 (pause 0.58) 709.3384 508 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 709.3384 at, um, 709.9353 509 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 709.9353 (pause 0.63) 710.5694 510 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 710.5694 /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 711.2875 511 ROC_int_01 711.7118 So where did you work? uh- 713.3614 512 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 713.3753 713.4313 513 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 713.4313 (pause 0.09) 713.5246 514 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 713.5246 /RD-WORK-2/. 713.9302 515 ROC_int_01 714.0002 Oh, you worked at /RD-WORK-2/. [Okay, I thought] you meant after you [graduated.] 717.2129 516 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 715.2592 [Yeah.] 715.9073 517 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 715.9073 (pause 1.05) 716.9611 518 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 716.9611 [No], I got a job. And then when I graduated, 719.5106 519 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 719.9116 they put me into a full time apprenticeship 721.6555 520 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 721.6555 (pause 0.33) 721.9866 521 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 721.9866 as in a- as a machinist. So, I worked at /RD-WORK-2/ for a few years, 724.7132 522 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 724.7132 (pause 1.11) 725.8230 523 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 725.8230 awful. [] 727.3291 524 ROC_int_01 727.1939 [I was] gonna ask, that was my next [question.] 729.1756 525 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 728.5228 [I was in] manufacturing. I was- 731.6271 526 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 732.2240 I mean, I think, 732.9982 527 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 732.9982 (pause 0.16) 733.1589 528 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 733.1589 uh, the- uh, 734.0565 529 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 734.0565 (pause 0.79) 734.8445 530 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 734.8445 it was the most brut- it was like walking into the forties. I mean, I was 738.7369 531 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 738.7369 (pause 0.67) 739.4037 532 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 739.4037 I think one of maybe two black women in the entire- 742.5755 533 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 742.5755 (pause 0.15) 742.7245 534 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 742.7245 um, and she wasn't even in the machine- in- in 744.9674 535 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 744.9674 (pause 0.16) 745.1321 536 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 745.1321 ap- the ap- trades anymore. So I may have been the only black woman. 748.0802 537 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 748.0802 (pause 0.49) 748.5733 538 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 748.5733 Um, there were a small percentage of black men. 750.8488 539 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 750.8488 (pause 0.30) 751.1472 540 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 751.1472 There were a small percentage of women, so, I would say the large majority of the folks that I worked with were 756.1307 541 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 756.1307 (pause 0.49) 756.6250 542 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 756.6250 white men 757.5809 543 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 757.5809 (pause 0.76) 758.3409 544 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 758.3409 in their fifties. 759.6109 545 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 759.6109 (pause 0.47) 760.0855 546 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 760.0855 761.2401 547 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 761.2401 (pause 0.46) 761.7017 548 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 761.7017 Um, 762.3545 549 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 762.3545 (pause 0.31) 762.6670 550 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 762.6670 762.7975 551 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 762.7975 (pause 0.20) 762.9980 552 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 762.9980 who were 763.5343 553 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 763.5343 (pause 0.44) 763.9726 554 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 763.9726 very angry, 764.8818 555 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 764.8818 (pause 0.78) 765.6652 556 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 765.6652 who felt like we were taking their jobs, 767.7530 557 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 767.7530 (pause 0.80) 768.5504 558 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 768.5504 mainly me, 769.2312 559 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 769.2312 (pause 0.49) 769.7208 560 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 769.7208 um, and it was a hostile environment, where people felt free to speak their minds and you needed to depend on them to teach you 777.6326 561 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 777.6326 (pause 0.61) 778.2376 562 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 778.2376 in order to be successful. So you can imagine the, 781.5669 563 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 781.5669 (pause 0.59) 782.1544 564 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 782.1544 um, 782.7699 565 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 782.7699 (pause 0.84) 783.6128 566 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 783.6128 783.7293 567 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 783.7293 (pause 0.15) 783.8785 568 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 783.8785 predatory relationship. 786.0522 569 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 786.0522 (pause 0.36) 786.4152 570 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 786.4152 And- and 787.5389 571 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 787.5389 (pause 0.76) 788.2943 572 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 788.2943 how much a person has to put up with in order to 791.1264 573 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 791.1264 (pause 0.21) 791.3381 574 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 791.3381 be successful in 793.2358 575 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 793.2358 (pause 0.41) 793.6462 576 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 793.6462 their role. 794.3922 577 ROC_int_01 794.7839 [Mm-hm.] 795.3779 578 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 794.7886 [So], s- but- 795.9170 579 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 796.2562 but obviously I didn't stay at /RD-WORK-2/. Uh, I saw the writing on the wall. And about twenty-five, 801.1849 580 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 801.1849 (pause 0.59) 801.7760 581 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 801.7760 twenty-six I, 802.5593 582 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 802.5593 (pause 0.75) 803.3054 583 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 803.3054 went back to school. 804.4338 584 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 804.4338 (pause 0.43) 804.8628 585 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 804.8628 And, uh, 805.9228 586 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 805.9228 (pause 0.23) 806.1541 587 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 806.1541 I got my MBA. 807.8237 588 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 807.8237 (pause 0.56) 808.3862 589 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 808.3862 And got a job. 810.0794 590 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 810.0794 (pause 0.46) 810.5364 591 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 810.5364 Almost eleven years ago. 811.8094 592 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 811.8094 (pause 0.13) 811.9427 593 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 811.9427 I've been in the same role for- or the same company 814.6875 594 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 814.6875 (pause 0.47) 815.1581 595 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 815.1581 for eleven years, [so.] 816.6110 596 ROC_int_01 816.4571 [Oh], where did you get your MBA from? 818.6254 597 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 818.6300 /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 819.3015 598 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 819.3015 (pause 0.46) 819.7573 599 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 819.7573 /RD-SCHOOL-3/ I, um, 821.0862 600 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 821.0862 (pause 0.34) 821.4266 601 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 821.4266 when I was at /RD-WORK-2/, because I was an academic, 823.9306 602 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 823.9306 (pause 0.21) 824.1358 603 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 824.1358 you know, 824.6860 604 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 824.6860 (pause 0.48) 825.1663 605 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 825.1663 I took classes in machi- I was a machinist so I'm like, I need to take classes in machining. So, I got a two year degree in machining. 830.9704 606 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 830.9704 (pause 0.41) 831.3761 607 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 831.3761 And then I'm like, uh, I need more than this. So I- I went to night school forever. 834.8768 608 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 834.8768 (pause 0.43) 835.3058 609 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 835.3058 So then I got like, uh, 836.5601 610 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 836.5601 (pause 0.21) 836.7699 611 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 836.7699 I almost got my, 837.8937 612 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 837.8937 (pause 0.18) 838.0755 613 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 838.0755 um, 838.8378 614 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 838.8378 (pause 0.16) 839.0025 615 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 839.0025 two year in business administration and then I quit. 841.8747 616 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 841.8747 (pause 0.49) 842.3689 617 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 842.3689 Went back to school, finished the business administration. 844.6712 618 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 844.6712 (pause 0.41) 845.0862 619 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 845.0862 Went to u- /RD-SCHOOL-3/ finished my bachelor's. 847.7627 620 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 847.7627 (pause 0.36) 848.1218 621 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 848.1218 And then got my MBA. 849.4180 622 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 849.4180 (pause 0.20) 849.6141 623 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 849.6141 Um, 850.1676 624 ROC_int_01 850.1676 Hm. 850.4941 625 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 850.6339 like, 850.9603 626 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 850.9603 (pause 0.60) 851.5572 627 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 851.5572 it was, a, 852.3872 628 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 852.3872 (pause 0.93) 853.3166 629 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 853.3166 hell three years, cause I was 854.7373 630 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 854.7373 (pause 0.20) 854.9378 631 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 854.9378 trying to go as quickly as I could to finish it. 857.6178 632 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 857.6178 (pause 0.40) 858.0188 633 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 858.0188 And- 858.3965 634 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 858.3965 (pause 0.57) 858.9701 635 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 858.9701 and, uh, got my MBA. 860.4188 636 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 860.4188 (pause 0.14) 860.5560 637 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 860.5560 And 861.0870 638 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 861.0870 (pause 0.18) 861.2642 639 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 861.2642 that was the best decision, I ever made, um, because 864.8535 640 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 864.8535 (pause 0.62) 865.4736 641 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 865.4736 I probably would have been postal or something if I stayed at- it- I can't even imagine what my life would be if I was [still at /RD-WORK-2/.] 871.9306 642 ROC_int_01 871.1826 [Mm-hm.] 871.7048 643 ROC_int_01 872.7518 Yeah. And so, being, uh, such a learner and you know, 877.0557 644 ROC_int_01 877.0557 (pause 0.30) 877.3576 645 ROC_int_01 877.3576 I guess, uh, liking classes a nerd [I guess.] How was the college experience for you at /RD-SCHOOL-3/? 883.6572 646 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 879.8103 [] 880.4911 647 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 883.6758 Um, I didn't enjoy it as much as I- I wanted to. I loved- 886.9900 648 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 886.9900 (pause 0.32) 887.3117 649 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 887.3117 like when I think of my coll- I loved 889.7971 650 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 889.7971 (pause 0.22) 890.0197 651 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 890.0197 learning. 890.7145 652 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 890.7145 (pause 0.55) 891.2601 653 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 891.2601 Um, 891.9315 654 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 891.9315 (pause 0.23) 892.1604 655 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 892.1604 892.2584 656 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 892.2584 (pause 0.22) 892.4771 657 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 892.4771 I was in a tough situation cause I quit my job so I was dependent on another person. 896.3788 658 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 896.3788 (pause 0.40) 896.7798 659 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 896.7798 And so I wa- tha- that made it more stressful. 899.9319 660 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 899.9319 (pause 0.79) 900.7246 661 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 900.7246 Um, 901.4473 662 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 901.4473 (pause 0.22) 901.6700 663 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 901.6700 And so when I tell you I completed like, four years and three, 906.7246 664 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 906.7246 (pause 0.41) 907.1303 665 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 907.1303 I didn't have more than two weeks off in a three year 909.8006 666 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 909.8006 (pause 0.27) 910.0712 667 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 910.0712 span. [Uh, like], 911.6102 668 ROC_int_01 910.8425 [Hm.] 911.3834 669 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 912.3469 I- I remember I took 913.6525 670 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 913.6525 (pause 0.72) 914.3694 671 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 914.3694 um, I- f- graduated, 916.6449 672 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 916.6449 (pause 0.88) 917.5216 673 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 917.5216 um, 918.0112 674 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 918.0112 (pause 0.22) 918.2303 675 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 918.2303 /RD-SCHOOL-3/ with my bachelor's. Like, I finished my last exam on Wednesday, 922.2113 676 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 922.2113 (pause 1.39) 923.6008 677 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 923.6008 um, I studied for my, um, GMAT for my MBA 927.2880 678 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 927.2880 (pause 0.41) 927.6942 679 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 927.6942 927.7452 680 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 927.7452 (pause 0.44) 928.1833 681 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 928.1833 on Thursday and Friday, I took my test on Saturday, I started class on Monday. 932.0862 682 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 932.0862 (pause 0.58) 932.6679 683 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 932.6679 Like, and I needed to have a qualifying score to even get in. You know, and it was- 936.9717 684 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 936.9717 (pause 0.45) 937.4229 685 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 937.4229 it was really stressful, but 938.8264 686 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 938.8264 (pause 0.48) 939.3113 687 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 939.3113 I love learning. I- uh- um because I 942.6313 688 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 942.6313 (pause 0.31) 942.9391 689 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 942.9391 killed myself, 943.7551 690 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 943.7551 (pause 0.63) 944.3834 691 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 944.3834 I think, um, 945.4512 692 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 945.4512 (pause 0.99) 946.4402 693 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 946.4402 I was a little burned out for a little while. 948.4949 694 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 948.4949 (pause 0.15) 948.6439 695 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 948.6439 Um, but 949.5592 696 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 949.5592 (pause 0.37) 949.9311 697 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 949.9311 I've actually been looking at trying to find 952.0015 698 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 952.0015 (pause 0.56) 952.5610 699 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 952.5610 a career on a college campus so I can just take cl- free classes, you know. [] 957.7263 700 ROC_int_01 957.2181 [Yeah.] 957.7170 701 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 958.1397 I love learning. [So], you're right. I'm a nerd. [] 962.9541 702 ROC_int_01 958.9464 [Mm-hm] 959.4500 703 ROC_int_01 959.4500 (pause 1.73) 961.1846 704 ROC_int_01 961.1846 [Me too. This is why I'm a nerd /too/(laughing).] [From one nerd to another. ] 966.0795 705 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 963.3227 [ I am a nerd.] 966.0981 706 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 966.2334 You are correct. 967.3198 707 ROC_int_01 967.4410 Yeah, cool. 968.8399 708 ROC_int_01 968.8399 (pause 0.20) 969.0393 709 ROC_int_01 969.0393 Um, so you'll need to come back. 970.4335 710 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 969.0637 [Okay, it'll beep.] 970.4195 711 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 971.2355 Oh, it'll beep [s-] 972.3919 712 ROC_int_01 972.1914 [Oh, okay.] [] 973.3898 713 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 972.9514 [Got] hot in here. I can turn on the air. 974.8632 714 ROC_int_01 974.8761 Oh, I'm cool. [But if you] need it, 976.8904 715 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 975.7527 [Okay.] 976.1724 716 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 976.1724 (pause 0.60) 976.7739 717 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 976.7739 Nope, [I'm fine.] 977.5246 718 ROC_int_01 977.0117 [yeah], okay, cool. 978.1961 719 ROC_int_01 978.4572 Um. 979.0074 720 ROC_int_01 979.0074 (pause 0.90) 979.9027 721 ROC_int_01 979.9027 Let's see, what was my following question after that- 983.4080 722 ROC_int_01 983.4080 (pause 0.21) 983.6225 723 ROC_int_01 983.6225 Oh, where do you work now? 984.7696 724 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 985.0634 I work at a telecom 986.4949 725 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 986.4949 (pause 0.36) 986.8586 726 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 986.8586 software 987.6513 727 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 987.6513 (pause 0.36) 988.0092 728 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 988.0092 engineering company out in Victor. 989.3754 729 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 989.3754 (pause 0.68) 990.0515 730 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 990.0515 Again I've been there for ten and a half years. Um, 992.6767 731 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 992.6767 (pause 0.75) 993.4257 732 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 993.4257 993.5041 733 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 993.5041 (pause 0.17) 993.6734 734 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 993.6734 It's, uh, 994.5454 735 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 994.5454 (pause 2.47) 997.0167 736 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 997.0167 we do billing for telephone companies and I work in the project management department. 1001.4453 737 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1001.4453 (pause 0.41) 1001.8557 738 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1001.8557 I am a manager of 1003.5576 739 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1003.5576 (pause 0.48) 1004.0379 740 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1004.0379 basically the technical resources on projects. We get new customers in, 1007.9116 741 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1007.9116 (pause 0.38) 1008.2893 742 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1008.2893 or existing customers moved to new software. A lot of our organization is software engineers. 1012.8625 743 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1012.8625 (pause 0.52) 1013.3800 744 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1013.3800 My folks are more of the, 1015.0773 745 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1015.0773 (pause 0.91) 1015.9913 746 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1015.9913 uh, in-between. 1016.9099 747 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1016.9099 (pause 0.21) 1017.1232 748 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1017.1232 The engineers create it, 1018.2283 749 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1018.2283 (pause 0.81) 1019.0379 750 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1019.0379 somebody needs to show the customer how to use it, how to set it up, 1022.2180 751 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1022.2180 (pause 0.15) 1022.3719 752 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1022.3719 w- um, train them. 1023.7661 753 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1023.7661 (pause 0.13) 1023.9002 754 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1023.9002 Um, 1024.5157 755 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1024.5157 (pause 0.38) 1024.8934 756 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1024.8934 and those are the folks that report to me. And so, I- I started as a business analyst. 1029.4630 757 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1029.4630 (pause 0.42) 1029.8873 758 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1029.8873 I moved into an implementation consultant role and then I became the manager of implementation consulting. And then, 1034.9594 759 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1034.9594 (pause 0.33) 1035.2940 760 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1035.2940 took on a couple of other, 1036.5203 761 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1036.5203 (pause 0.78) 1037.2990 762 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1037.2990 um, groups under me, but I'm basically manage technical folks who work with customers. 1041.9806 763 ROC_int_01 1042.3478 [Yeah.] 1042.7628 764 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1042.4131 [So.] 1042.7488 765 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1043.0146 Yeah. 1043.2571 766 ROC_int_01 1043.2524 Okay, [cool, very cool.] 1045.4533 767 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1043.7980 [] 1045.3600 768 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1045.6118 1045.9056 769 ROC_int_01 1045.9009 Um, so, 1047.4024 770 ROC_int_01 1047.5376 you 1048.2184 771 ROC_int_01 1048.2184 (pause 0.31) 1048.5250 772 ROC_int_01 1048.5250 mentioned- I was looking on the sheet, that you haven't, um, lived outside of Rochester, but would you consider moving for another job, or do you think you'll stay put? 1056.6186 773 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1056.8611 1056.9404 774 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1056.9404 (pause 0.09) 1057.0336 775 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1057.0336 Absolutely, I've been actually looking, 1059.1179 776 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1059.1179 (pause 0.59) 1059.7055 777 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1059.7055 um, so, 1061.3084 778 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1061.3084 (pause 0.34) 1061.6487 779 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1061.6487 my wife, I was telling you that she 1063.8963 780 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1063.8963 (pause 0.24) 1064.1387 781 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1064.1387 is multilingual. She's actually half Portuguese. 1067.4389 782 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1067.4389 (pause 0.42) 1067.8632 783 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1067.8632 She's a interesting story she was born 1069.9656 784 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1069.9656 (pause 0.35) 1070.3146 785 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1070.3146 in the Congo. 1071.2112 786 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1071.2112 (pause 0.50) 1071.7136 787 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1071.7136 1071.8395 788 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1071.8395 (pause 0.14) 1071.9794 789 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1071.9794 Her father is Portuguese and lived in- 1073.9581 790 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1073.9581 (pause 0.30) 1074.2571 791 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1074.2571 in the Congo. 1075.2341 792 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1075.2341 (pause 0.35) 1075.5792 793 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1075.5792 And her mother was in the Peace Corps and they met, 1078.0598 794 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1078.0598 (pause 0.42) 1078.4830 795 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1078.4830 in the middle of Africa. 1079.5648 796 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1079.5648 (pause 0.56) 1080.1244 797 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1080.1244 and had her and her two siblings. And she lived there until she was seven, but the warring and the Civil War kind of pushed them here. 1086.6093 798 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1086.6093 (pause 0.33) 1086.9357 799 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1086.9357 So she came 1087.5156 800 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1087.5156 (pause 0.21) 1087.7235 801 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1087.7235 here, Syracuse, 1088.8895 802 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1088.8895 (pause 0.57) 1089.4618 803 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1089.4618 um, and so, she hates the cold weather. 1093.1549 804 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1093.1549 (pause 0.25) 1093.4020 805 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1093.4020 1094.6563 806 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1094.6563 (pause 0.25) 1094.9081 807 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1094.9081 She hates the cold weather, 1096.4597 808 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1096.4597 (pause 0.47) 1096.9307 809 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1096.9307 um, 1097.6441 810 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1097.6441 (pause 0.29) 1097.9332 811 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1097.9332 1098.0358 812 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1098.0358 (pause 0.81) 1098.8471 813 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1098.8471 b- and so we've talked about w- moving to warmer climate. But I'm really attached to my family and I can't- 1105.3431 814 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1105.3431 (pause 0.18) 1105.5274 815 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1105.5274 you know, the agreement is not to move within a 1107.7707 816 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1107.7707 (pause 0.50) 1108.2732 817 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1108.2732 day's drive, 1109.1778 818 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1109.1778 (pause 0.46) 1109.6348 819 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1109.6348 um, so we've been looking at DC. Also we have to consider that we're two women. 1113.2625 820 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1113.2625 (pause 0.34) 1113.6017 821 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1113.6017 Um, 1114.2079 822 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1114.2079 (pause 0.64) 1114.8467 823 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1114.8467 I'm black, you know, like all these different [things. And so], 1118.3999 824 ROC_int_01 1117.3321 [Mm-hm.] 1118.1434 825 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1118.8428 I personally don't wanna move too far south. Um, 1121.9891 826 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1121.9891 (pause 0.13) 1122.1150 827 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1122.1150 only because 1123.2621 828 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1123.2621 (pause 0.48) 1123.7377 829 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1123.7377 we talked about, we wanna have children. I don't ever wanna be in a place where it's acceptable to like, 1128.8937 830 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1128.8937 (pause 0.42) 1129.3181 831 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1129.3181 put your confederate flag outside, [or to do-] you know what 1132.2930 832 ROC_int_01 1130.9920 [Yeah.] 1131.6169 833 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1132.5017 people up here are just as racist as people down south, 1135.0336 834 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1135.0336 (pause 0.35) 1135.3787 835 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1135.3787 but there's like an etiquette. 1136.3262 836 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1136.3262 (pause 0.15) 1136.4779 837 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1136.4779 [] 1138.4036 838 ROC_int_01 1136.6143 [/Yeah/.] 1136.9314 839 ROC_int_01 1138.5623 [That's a] perfect [description. ] 1141.2761 840 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1138.7208 [Like], 1139.0519 841 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1139.0519 (pause 0.53) 1139.5788 842 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1139.5788 [right. (laughing) Like.] 1141.2854 843 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1141.8683 I want you to have- refrain from saying things in front of me. You know what I mean, like, 1146.9031 844 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1146.9031 (pause 0.14) 1147.0476 845 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1147.0476 I- 1147.4149 846 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1147.4149 (pause 0.26) 1147.6777 847 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1147.6777 I don't want it to be s- acceptable just to say how you feel, wherever, whenever, walk, or- you know. 1153.5186 848 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1153.5186 (pause 0.31) 1153.8310 849 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1153.8310 And so I don't wanna be in that type of environment. And- and also, um, the laws. 1158.7259 850 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1158.7259 (pause 0.37) 1159.0942 851 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1159.0942 You know, even though 1159.8450 852 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1159.8450 (pause 0.21) 1160.0548 853 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1160.0548 even though marriage equality is around the country, there's still some r- um, laws in the books in a lot of our states that are not protective and, 1166.7076 854 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1166.7076 (pause 0.46) 1167.1646 855 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1167.1646 um, and they're not little, you know. It's just a couple years ago, that a woman's, w- um, wife 1172.5817 856 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1172.5817 (pause 0.40) 1172.9781 857 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1172.9781 died in emergency in Florida. And she was unable to sit next to her because she wasn't 1177.4673 858 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1177.4673 (pause 0.60) 1178.0641 859 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1178.0641 considered her next of kin. I- I would murder, people, if my loved one was sitting in emer- you know, so- 1184.6656 860 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1184.6656 (pause 0.28) 1184.9501 861 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1184.9501 So those are really important things that you have to consider. And so, 1189.2388 862 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1189.2388 (pause 0.41) 1189.6538 863 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1189.6538 um, for now, DC is probably the furthest south we're willing to go. Um, but it's- I- 1194.6046 864 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1194.6046 (pause 0.69) 1195.2994 865 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1195.2994 we're considering changing my name on the resume. I'm 1198.5053 866 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1198.5053 (pause 0.26) 1198.7680 867 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1198.7680 applying for jobs I'm way overqualified for and I 1201.7844 868 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1201.7844 (pause 0.23) 1202.0128 869 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1202.0128 can't get a bite. 1203.0760 870 ROC_int_01 1203.4653 you know they [um-] 1204.6590 871 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1204.2999 [] I can't get a bite. So, 1207.1350 872 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1207.3436 I don't know what to do. I've been 1209.0456 873 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1209.0456 (pause 0.66) 1209.7031 874 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1209.7031 1209.7777 875 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1209.7777 (pause 0.08) 1209.8569 876 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1209.8569 looking for so long. I've- [I sent it] to my friend, she's like, let me look at it. 1213.9591 877 ROC_int_01 1211.6801 [Hm.] 1212.0905 878 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1214.4348 And she hasn't gotten back to me, cause I suspect she thinks I have a good resume. (laughing) there's just 1218.3236 879 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1218.3236 (pause 0.31) 1218.6314 880 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1218.6314 no reason 1219.5207 881 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1219.5207 (pause 0.35) 1219.8659 882 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1219.8659 for not getting a callback from anywhere, so. 1222.1262 883 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1222.1262 (pause 0.37) 1222.4948 884 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1222.4948 Locally, 1223.0786 885 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1223.0786 (pause 1.08) 1224.1604 886 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1224.1604 uh- afar I have not 1226.2063 887 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1226.2063 (pause 0.96) 1227.1622 888 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1227.1622 been able to- 1228.8968 889 ROC_int_01 1229.1392 Secure something that you- 1230.2518 890 ROC_int_01 1230.2518 (pause 0.39) 1230.6465 891 ROC_int_01 1230.6465 Hey well maybe it might be worth the- 1233.0931 892 ROC_int_01 1233.0931 (pause 0.48) 1233.5687 893 ROC_int_01 1233.5687 Do you think it would be better if you applied- I know you said you wouldn't mind being on a college campus doing some 1238.5460 894 ROC_int_01 1238.5460 (pause 0.13) 1238.6793 895 ROC_int_01 1238.6793 of that kind of [work for] campus? 1240.7418 896 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1239.7878 [Mm-hm] 1240.0956 897 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1240.0956 (pause 0.52) 1240.6178 898 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1240.6178 1240.7391 899 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1240.8650 I've- I've, uh, looked at U of R and RIT. Um, what I find is that most of them want you to have college experience, which is 1247.9934 900 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1247.9934 (pause 0.29) 1248.2820 901 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1248.2820 frustrating cause I'm not looking for teaching jo- roles. 1251.1257 902 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1251.1257 (pause 0.26) 1251.3822 903 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1251.3822 [I'm] looking for roles that 1252.7531 904 ROC_int_01 1251.3868 [Yeah.] 1251.7505 905 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1253.0561 are within my scope 1254.3859 906 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1254.3859 (pause 0.19) 1254.5804 907 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1254.5804 of, uh, 1255.4063 908 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1255.4063 (pause 0.46) 1255.8679 909 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1255.8679 knowledge. And there, you know, and you get knocked from that, for not having 1259.9654 910 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1259.9654 (pause 0.23) 1260.1986 911 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1260.1986 experience on a co- Like, 1261.3503 912 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1261.3503 (pause 0.81) 1262.1652 913 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1262.1652 I- I get so frustrated because 1264.0863 914 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1264.0863 (pause 0.37) 1264.4546 915 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1264.4546 a lot of your skills are transferable. 1266.2830 916 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1266.2830 (pause 0.19) 1266.4751 917 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1266.4751 It- you know you can learn whatever the technology is, or whatever the industry is. 1271.0328 918 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1271.0328 (pause 0.57) 1271.6017 919 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1271.6017 You can't teach good leadership. You know, like, you can teach some things, s- some people are natural at it or you're- 1277.0748 920 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1277.0748 (pause 0.59) 1277.6623 921 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1277.6623 There are some things that are 1279.5228 922 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1279.5228 (pause 0.77) 1280.2957 923 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1280.2957 inherent in people that make them good leaders. That make them, 1283.2243 924 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1283.2243 (pause 0.26) 1283.4831 925 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1283.4831 you know. 1283.9001 926 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1283.9001 (pause 0.66) 1284.5576 927 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1284.5576 And so, it's easier to teach the other stuff. So, it's really frustrating that you can't get in the door. But I'm, you know- 1290.6369 928 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1290.6369 (pause 0.44) 1291.0798 929 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1291.0798 I'm- I don't sit on my 1292.3575 930 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1292.3575 (pause 0.35) 1292.7060 931 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1292.7060 hands. I- I do- 1294.1515 932 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1294.1515 (pause 0.82) 1294.9722 933 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1294.9722 you know, I'm looking at the scholarship, um, program at MCC that allows you to go into the classroom, push into a classroom and then to- /you know/ have 1303.2603 934 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1303.2603 (pause 0.27) 1303.5270 935 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1303.5270 someone mentor you. 1304.4274 936 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1304.4274 (pause 0.37) 1304.7946 937 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1304.7946 So that you can get some experience because I have 1306.9209 938 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1306.9209 (pause 1.05) 1307.9747 939 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1307.9747 a lot of things I'd love to do. And 1310.1010 940 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1310.1010 (pause 0.77) 1310.8692 941 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1310.8692 in a place in my life where I wanna give back. 1312.8024 942 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1312.8024 (pause 0.20) 1313.0063 943 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1313.0063 You know, I volunteer a lot. I 1314.7208 944 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1314.7208 (pause 0.45) 1315.1684 945 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1315.1684 s- did the black pride this year, which was very- 1318.4966 946 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1318.4966 (pause 0.54) 1319.0375 947 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1319.0375 I- I loved connecting through the community in a different way. I think sometimes 1323.5174 948 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1323.5174 (pause 0.55) 1324.0630 949 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1324.0630 we become orphans 1325.4255 950 ROC_int_01 1325.8768 Mm. 1326.2219 951 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1326.5203 and our, um, 1327.6907 952 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1327.6907 (pause 0.43) 1328.1232 953 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1328.1232 1328.2258 954 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1328.2258 (pause 0.08) 1328.3097 955 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1328.3097 environments, you know, we are the only ones, you know, and especially with intersectionality. 1333.8586 956 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1333.8586 (pause 0.57) 1334.4309 957 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1334.4309 I- [] 1336.1422 958 ROC_int_01 1334.7434 [] 1336.1376 959 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1336.6691 we- 1337.4478 960 ROC_int_01 1337.6301 Yeah. 1337.9841 961 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1337.9841 And so you don't even realize how disconnected you get from your community. I mean, I have my family, 1343.5271 962 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1343.9374 but tha- but that's still a different beast. And- and so, it was very important for me to get involved with black pride and- and I- 1350.4783 963 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1350.4783 (pause 0.47) 1350.9446 964 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1350.9446 and I- 1351.2664 965 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1351.2664 (pause 0.31) 1351.5741 966 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1351.5741 and I wanna f- 1352.4776 967 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1352.4776 (pause 0.30) 1352.7760 968 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1352.7760 I wanna work with kids. I wanna work in education. I wanna work in, 1356.4084 969 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1356.4084 (pause 0.37) 1356.7814 970 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1356.7814 you know, gay youth who get kicked out of their homes. I have all these loves and desires to 1361.8115 971 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1361.8115 (pause 0.21) 1362.0260 972 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1362.0260 just get involved in things. I wanna go to work 1364.7162 973 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1364.7162 (pause 0.46) 1365.1723 974 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1365.1723 and like, love what I do. 1366.4640 975 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1366.4640 (pause 0.57) 1367.0328 976 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1367.0328 Like, my wife love what she does. She works at /RD-WORK-4/ and she's in a non-profit and she gives back. She saves lives. I don't save lives. I 1374.4877 977 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1374.4877 (pause 0.60) 1375.0845 978 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1375.0845 make sure your phones work. You know, like, 1378.1491 979 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1378.1491 (pause 0.25) 1378.4040 980 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1378.4040 I'm not discounting what I do, but I don't get up and 1380.7208 981 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1380.7208 (pause 0.54) 1381.2617 982 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1381.2617 have fulfillment everyday. I need to find a role that I feel 1384.6785 983 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1384.6785 (pause 0.50) 1385.1820 984 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1385.1820 fulfilled. [And] I think it's gonna be giving back. You know, and- and 1389.3915 985 ROC_int_01 1386.1240 [Mm] 1386.3944 986 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1389.7972 usually- and I think my 1391.3222 987 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1391.3222 (pause 0.12) 1391.4398 988 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1391.4398 biggest desire, 1392.5949 989 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1392.5949 (pause 0.23) 1392.8234 990 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1392.8234 is to give back to folks who are, 1394.7340 991 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1394.7340 (pause 0.59) 1395.3262 992 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1395.3262 um, 1395.9604 993 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1395.9604 (pause 0.44) 1396.3987 994 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1396.3987 the most disenfranchised. 1398.3028 995 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1398.3028 (pause 0.16) 1398.4675 996 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1398.4675 You know, whether it's gay youth, 1400.2176 997 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1400.2176 (pause 0.43) 1400.6454 998 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1400.6454 or black youth, or inner city youth. You know, 1404.1333 999 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1404.1333 (pause 0.14) 1404.2778 1000 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1404.2778 tha- that's my passion so. So- and it's my wife's as well. 1407.6713 1001 ROC_int_01 1407.9044 Yeah. 1408.3194 1002 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1408.3194 So, 1408.8323 1003 ROC_int_01 1409.2007 And do you feel like Rochester is a- 1411.4762 1004 ROC_int_01 1411.4762 (pause 0.97) 1412.4496 1005 ROC_int_01 1412.4496 Mm, 1413.1630 1006 ROC_int_01 1413.1630 (pause 0.53) 1413.6946 1007 ROC_int_01 1413.6946 comfortable community for, uh, the LGBTQ commu- community in general or? 1419.0231 1008 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1419.3589 I think that Rochester is 1421.7882 1009 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1421.7882 (pause 0.79) 1422.5763 1010 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1422.5763 ahead of- You know, the state of New York. I think we're called the welfare state. We- we have a lot of public services that a lot of states don't. We really do. 1429.6301 1011 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1429.6301 (pause 0.53) 1430.1616 1012 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1430.1616 Um, and so, if you don't know that, it doesn't feel like enough. Um, it's never enough, but 1435.7746 1013 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1435.7746 (pause 0.47) 1436.2491 1014 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1436.2491 I think we have a lot of, um, social welfare programs. I think we do have a lot of, um, 1441.0286 1015 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1441.0286 (pause 0.21) 1441.2384 1016 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1441.2384 LGBTQ, 1442.6419 1017 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1442.6419 (pause 0.54) 1443.1770 1018 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1443.1770 um, programs. Um, 1445.2893 1019 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1445.2893 (pause 0.27) 1445.5551 1020 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1445.5551 but like anything, in anywhere, 1448.3668 1021 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1448.3668 (pause 0.53) 1448.9009 1022 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1448.9009 1448.9401 1023 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1448.9401 (pause 0.06) 1448.9998 1024 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1448.9998 do we touch the black community enough. 1450.8556 1025 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1450.8556 (pause 0.15) 1451.0095 1026 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1451.0095 do we touch, 1452.1346 1027 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1452.1346 (pause 0.46) 1452.5996 1028 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1452.5996 um, 1453.3596 1029 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1453.3596 (pause 0.48) 1453.8399 1030 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1453.8399 the most disenfranchised no matter what 1456.5059 1031 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1456.5059 (pause 0.22) 1456.7250 1032 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1456.7250 segment, or what support we have. You know, and- and so, 1460.5159 1033 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1460.5159 (pause 0.40) 1460.9123 1034 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1460.9123 I still see that lacking. And it was one of the reasons I got involved with black pride is cause I go out and I think there are a lot of things for the gay 1468.6329 1035 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1468.6329 (pause 0.35) 1468.9826 1036 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1468.9826 community in Rochester, or the LGBTQ community. 1471.9704 1037 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1471.9704 (pause 0.29) 1472.2595 1038 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1472.2595 But I never see people that look like me. 1474.1153 1039 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1474.1153 (pause 0.37) 1474.4883 1040 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1474.4883 Or if I do, it's it- they're so few. You know, and we go to Atlanta 1479.0801 1041 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1479.0801 (pause 0.44) 1479.5184 1042 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1479.5184 to get any diversity in the gay community. [] 1482.8746 1043 ROC_int_01 1482.3663 [Right.] 1482.8373 1044 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1483.2942 Or it's my family. My family's house you know like, to get any- but 1487.3043 1045 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1487.3043 (pause 0.76) 1488.0679 1046 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1488.0679 1488.1658 1047 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1488.1658 (pause 0.48) 1488.6508 1048 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1488.6508 and so we're here, 1489.7186 1049 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1489.7186 (pause 0.78) 1490.4973 1050 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1490.4973 we just don't have enough 1491.6460 1051 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1491.6460 (pause 1.04) 1492.6871 1052 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1492.6871 glue. 1493.2670 1053 ROC_int_01 1493.5824 [Mm-hm.] 1494.0347 1054 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1493.9461 [You know], and so. 1495.5688 1055 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1496.3288 So, in one sense there is- there 1498.1276 1056 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1498.1276 (pause 0.40) 1498.5286 1057 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1498.5286 are a lot of opportunities, 1499.9135 1058 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1499.9135 (pause 0.55) 1500.4590 1059 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1500.4590 um, 1500.9859 1060 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1500.9859 (pause 0.41) 1501.3916 1061 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1501.3916 but just like 1502.1423 1062 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1502.1423 (pause 0.20) 1502.3417 1063 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1502.3417 any other facet of society, we usually leave people behind. 1505.6244 1064 ROC_int_01 1505.8528 [Mm.] 1506.3051 1065 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1505.8715 [/Yeah/], 1506.3051 1066 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1506.6409 yeah. 1506.8647 1067 ROC_int_01 1507.1025 Right. 1507.6014 1068 ROC_int_01 1507.6014 (pause 0.32) 1507.9185 1069 ROC_int_01 1507.9185 And so, I know you were helping with the black pride events, uh, what else would you like to see happen to kind of fix the 1515.2334 1070 ROC_int_01 1515.2334 (pause 1.03) 1516.2675 1071 ROC_int_01 1516.2675 lack of cohesion maybe across 1518.3937 1072 ROC_int_01 1518.3937 (pause 0.63) 1519.0279 1073 ROC_int_01 1519.0279 especially black, um, gay 1520.9537 1074 ROC_int_01 1520.9537 (pause 0.51) 1521.4608 1075 ROC_int_01 1521.4608 youth, or the black gay community 1523.1767 1076 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1524.2538 1524.3611 1077 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1524.3611 (pause 0.38) 1524.7435 1078 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1524.7435 Um, 1525.3170 1079 ROC_int_01 1526.5868 /Mm-hm/. 1526.9691 1080 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1527.5727 you wanna turn, babe? 1528.2776 1081 misc 1528.3012 /?/ 1528.5836 1082 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1528.5919 Babe? 1528.8876 1083 misc 1529.0975 Oh, right, right. 1530.0953 1084 ROC_int_01 1530.8973 [] 1531.7786 1085 misc 1531.5236 [/inaudible/] from that kind of thing 1532.8418 1086 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1534.6591 Thanks. 1535.0975 1087 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1535.0975 (pause 0.53) 1535.6290 1088 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1535.6290 Thank you. 1536.0114 1089 misc 1536.4372 Yeah. 1536.6563 1090 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1536.6750 Um, 1537.4009 1091 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1537.4009 (pause 0.72) 1538.1225 1092 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1538.1225 I don't know if I have the solutions, but, um, 1540.6545 1093 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1540.6545 (pause 1.70) 1542.3518 1094 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1542.3518 I think 1543.0372 1095 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1543.0372 (pause 0.53) 1543.5641 1096 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1543.5641 we need space. 1544.5853 1097 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1544.5853 (pause 0.98) 1545.5634 1098 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1545.5634 You know, um, 1547.0601 1099 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1547.0601 (pause 2.25) 1549.3077 1100 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1549.3077 we need our- we need a space we needs- we need 1552.0157 1101 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1552.0157 (pause 0.37) 1552.3840 1102 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1552.3840 the opportunity to come together. And so, 1555.0699 1103 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1555.0699 (pause 0.35) 1555.4242 1104 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1555.4242 I think /RD-NAME-3/'s doing a phenomenal job 1557.6007 1105 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1557.6007 (pause 0.39) 1557.9877 1106 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1557.9877 of creating spaces. 1559.7036 1107 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1559.7036 (pause 0.51) 1560.2119 1108 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1560.2119 Um, 1560.9859 1109 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1560.9859 (pause 0.90) 1561.8905 1110 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1561.8905 and I think he does a really good job of taking people where they are, 1565.7409 1111 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1565.7409 (pause 0.59) 1566.3331 1112 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1566.3331 um, because there's a big spectrum 1568.1936 1113 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1568.1936 (pause 0.42) 1568.6179 1114 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1568.6179 of where people are. 1569.9550 1115 ROC_int_01 1570.0809 Mm. 1570.4586 1116 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1570.4680 In terms of their own identities, 1572.3844 1117 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1572.3844 (pause 0.35) 1572.7341 1118 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1572.7341 their own trauma, 1573.9978 1119 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1573.9978 (pause 0.53) 1574.5293 1120 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1574.5293 um, their own ability to even know where they are, um, and 1579.5315 1121 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1579.5315 (pause 0.60) 1580.1330 1122 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1580.1330 I think, 1581.0702 1123 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1581.0702 (pause 1.36) 1582.4307 1124 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1582.4307 once we create the space, 1584.1839 1125 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1584.1839 (pause 1.14) 1585.3217 1126 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1585.3217 letting people know there is- 1587.2040 1127 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1587.2040 (pause 0.32) 1587.5261 1128 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1587.5261 there are these safe spaces to come to. 1590.0487 1129 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1590.0487 (pause 0.49) 1590.5383 1130 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1590.5383 Um, 1591.1118 1131 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1591.1118 (pause 0.18) 1591.2890 1132 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1591.2890 1591.3683 1133 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1591.3683 (pause 0.17) 1591.5408 1134 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1591.5408 and- 1592.3650 1135 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1592.3650 (pause 1.06) 1593.4281 1136 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1593.4281 and then once we have those spaces, 1595.1394 1137 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1595.1394 (pause 0.30) 1595.4425 1138 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1595.4425 making those spaces, our space, in terms of 1598.5200 1139 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1598.5200 (pause 0.34) 1598.8639 1140 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1598.8639 you know, w- what's lacking when I go to R- R- gay pride, Rochester gay pride, 1603.1911 1141 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1603.1911 (pause 0.52) 1603.7133 1142 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1603.7133 are events that cater to people of color. You know, and so, people are like, why do you need your own event? 1608.7435 1143 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1608.7435 (pause 0.62) 1609.3683 1144 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1609.3683 Well, 1609.8812 1145 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1609.8812 (pause 0.62) 1610.5049 1146 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1610.5049 you don't realize that, 1612.5168 1147 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1612.5168 (pause 0.23) 1612.7463 1148 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1612.7463 what is- and I'm using quotation mark- the norm, 1615.6527 1149 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1615.6527 (pause 0.43) 1616.0817 1150 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1616.0817 is really, 1617.1075 1151 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1617.1075 (pause 0.26) 1617.3675 1152 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1617.3675 the white. 1619.3726 1153 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1619.3726 (pause 0.35) 1619.7176 1154 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1619.7176 And so, 1620.8647 1155 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1620.8647 (pause 0.45) 1621.3170 1156 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1621.3170 by default, everything caters to white culture, or- or- or white folks, 1626.7808 1157 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1626.7808 (pause 0.53) 1627.3077 1158 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1627.3077 um, 1627.9332 1159 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1627.9332 (pause 0.14) 1628.0704 1160 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1628.0704 and they don't even realize, it isn't really geared toward me, or my interests. And so, 1633.7693 1161 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1633.7693 (pause 0.31) 1634.0770 1162 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1634.0770 finding spaces 1635.3442 1163 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1635.3442 (pause 0.42) 1635.7685 1164 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1635.7685 that, 1636.2861 1165 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1636.2861 (pause 0.46) 1636.7477 1166 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1636.7477 we can play music, that we're able to relate to, or 1640.5806 1167 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1640.5806 (pause 0.40) 1640.9805 1168 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1640.9805 talk about 1641.8478 1169 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1641.8478 (pause 0.69) 1642.5426 1170 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1642.5426 1642.6032 1171 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1642.6032 (pause 0.21) 1642.8084 1172 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1642.8084 things we love, 1644.1373 1173 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1644.1373 (pause 0.54) 1644.6735 1174 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1644.6735 play spades. 1645.5035 1175 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1645.5035 (pause 0.20) 1645.7040 1176 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1645.7040 I mean [] 1647.4514 1177 ROC_int_01 1647.1950 [Mm-hm.] 1647.6799 1178 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1647.8991 things that, 1648.5146 1179 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1648.5146 (pause 0.32) 1648.8317 1180 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1648.8317 um, connect to us culturally, 1650.7248 1181 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1650.7248 (pause 0.40) 1651.1258 1182 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1651.1258 that- that, 1651.7413 1183 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1651.7413 (pause 0.67) 1652.4081 1184 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1652.4081 I think the larger community takes for granted. [Um], 1655.6850 1185 ROC_int_01 1655.0648 [Mm.] 1655.6943 1186 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1655.8575 but we don't have those spaces ever. 1657.7553 1187 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1657.7553 (pause 0.37) 1658.1283 1188 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1658.1283 except at our family picnic, or- 1660.8923 1189 ROC_int_01 1660.9016 And then there you might be one of /??/ [right? Yeah. ] 1665.5644 1190 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1662.9906 [ Yeah. ] 1665.3966 1191 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1665.8571 So, 1666.5332 1192 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1666.5332 (pause 0.30) 1666.8317 1193 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1666.8317 I think it's important to create the spaces, and then invite folks to those spaces, 1670.3848 1194 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1670.3848 (pause 0.35) 1670.7298 1195 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1670.7298 knowing that those spaces belong to them. And I think, 1673.8625 1196 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1673.8625 (pause 0.54) 1674.3984 1197 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1674.3984 um, 1674.8320 1198 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1674.8320 (pause 0.26) 1675.0932 1199 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1675.0932 that will help people feel more included. 1677.9737 1200 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1677.9737 (pause 0.17) 1678.1416 1201 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1678.1416 You know, um. 1679.2589 1202 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1679.2589 (pause 0.32) 1679.5766 1203 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1679.5766 And 1680.0254 1204 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1680.0254 (pause 0.28) 1680.3051 1205 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1680.3051 I think it makes you participate in other things if you've- you're feeling fulfilled, 1684.1043 1206 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1684.1043 (pause 0.83) 1684.9342 1207 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1684.9342 um, personally. Like, I got my fill, I got 1688.1470 1208 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1688.1470 (pause 0.35) 1688.4967 1209 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1688.4967 what I need. This is my space. 1690.4959 1210 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1690.4959 (pause 0.46) 1690.9576 1211 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1690.9576 Maybe I'll go to that other event because, you know, 1693.6574 1212 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1693.6574 (pause 0.61) 1694.2624 1213 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1694.2624 I'm good on this front. You know, so, I- 1697.3283 1214 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1697.3283 (pause 0.17) 1697.5008 1215 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1697.5008 I don't have the answers, I just- 1698.9813 1216 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1698.9813 (pause 0.45) 1699.4336 1217 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1699.4336 I think- I think folks like /RD-NAME-3/ are doing a great job of kind of 1702.8876 1218 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1702.8876 (pause 0.35) 1703.2373 1219 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1703.2373 spearheading, 1704.3238 1220 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1704.3238 (pause 0.57) 1704.8973 1221 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1704.8973 um, 1705.5548 1222 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1705.5548 (pause 0.39) 1705.9465 1223 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1705.9465 some great ideas. 1707.0236 1224 ROC_int_01 1707.1591 Yeah. 1707.5788 1225 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1707.6753 Yeah. 1707.9037 1226 ROC_int_01 1708.0264 And so, out of curiosity, would like, for example, maybe the vogue, 1712.2915 1227 ROC_int_01 1712.2915 (pause 0.26) 1712.5515 1228 ROC_int_01 1712.5515 uh, the voguing of [it, be] something that happens more in a black space as [opposed to-] 1717.0319 1229 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1713.7918 [Mm-hm] 1714.1089 1230 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1714.1089 (pause 2.42) 1716.5339 1231 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1716.5339 [It's one hundred] [percent.] 1717.6527 1232 ROC_int_01 1717.3543 [yeah], right, [okay.] 1718.3149 1233 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1718.1237 [That's] an [example], 1719.3407 1234 ROC_int_01 1719.0003 [Okay.] 1719.3500 1235 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1719.5913 [um], 1720.0017 1236 ROC_int_01 1719.6007 [] 1719.9923 1237 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1720.1602 probably most white men don't know, 1722.5839 1238 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1722.5839 (pause 0.37) 1722.9577 1239 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1722.9577 that- s- 1723.8753 1240 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1723.8753 (pause 0.22) 1724.0948 1241 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1724.0948 that voguing happens on- in and it's 1726.8550 1242 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1726.8550 (pause 0.21) 1727.0601 1243 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1727.0601 huge in the black gay male community. 1729.8532 1244 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1729.8532 (pause 0.29) 1730.1458 1245 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1730.1458 Huge, it's one of the biggest things 1732.4866 1246 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1732.4866 (pause 0.35) 1732.8363 1247 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1732.8363 and yet I would tell you most 1734.2492 1248 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1734.2492 (pause 0.22) 1734.4730 1249 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1734.4730 gay white men aren't aware of that. When they say vogue, they probably think of the Madonna vid- video and that's the end of the conversation. 1740.8833 1250 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1740.8833 (pause 0.34) 1741.2223 1251 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1741.2223 And yet it's a huge part of the black male, uh, black gay male community. 1745.1100 1252 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1745.1100 (pause 0.13) 1745.2406 1253 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1745.2406 [So], 1745.7395 1254 ROC_int_01 1745.2686 [Yeah.] 1745.7256 1255 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1746.2522 yeah. 1746.6561 1256 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1746.6561 (pause 0.32) 1746.9737 1257 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1746.9737 [Yes.] 1747.3622 1258 ROC_int_01 1747.1345 [Mkay.] 1747.5227 1259 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1747.7073 [] 1749.6097 1260 ROC_int_01 1747.7119 [Just trying to, you know, keep up.] 1750.1320 1261 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1750.1355 And even within our communities, even gay black men versus, 1753.5627 1262 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1753.5627 (pause 0.23) 1753.7959 1263 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1753.7959 um, g- um, 1754.9430 1264 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1754.9430 (pause 0.41) 1755.3486 1265 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1755.3486 gay queer black women 1756.6857 1266 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1756.6857 (pause 0.54) 1757.2277 1267 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1757.2277 there's still 1758.0589 1268 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1758.0589 (pause 0.14) 1758.1962 1269 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1758.1962 some, 1758.8710 1270 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1758.8710 (pause 0.27) 1759.1424 1271 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1759.1424 you know, 1759.5176 1272 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1759.5176 (pause 0.28) 1759.7999 1273 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1759.7999 differences. There's still, 1761.6144 1274 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1761.6144 (pause 0.36) 1761.9735 1275 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1761.9735 um, some needs to- some need to 1764.9572 1276 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1764.9572 (pause 0.15) 1765.1062 1277 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1765.1062 have separate spaces, or 1766.8404 1278 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1766.8404 (pause 0.34) 1767.1808 1279 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1767.1808 spaces that satisfy both. You know, and so, 1770.3597 1280 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1770.3597 (pause 0.43) 1770.7934 1281 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1770.7934 um, 1771.2923 1282 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1771.2923 (pause 0.38) 1771.6746 1283 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1771.6746 again, I think /RD-NAME-3/ 1772.8725 1284 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1772.8725 (pause 0.25) 1773.1220 1285 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1773.1220 gets it, and he's trying to p- 1775.0551 1286 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1775.0551 (pause 0.16) 1775.2131 1287 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1775.2131 create those spaces, you know. 1777.0078 1288 ROC_int_01 1777.1664 Mm-hm, he's trying to do it all [/probably he's good/.] 1780.6886 1289 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1779.3719 [He is], 1779.9497 1290 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1779.9497 (pause 0.24) 1780.1929 1291 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1780.1929 [he is], he is. 1781.4085 1292 ROC_int_01 1781.4971 [Yeah, for sure.] 1782.7847 1293 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1781.5064 [ ] 1783.5767 1294 ROC_int_01 1783.0827 Okay. 1783.6003 1295 ROC_int_01 1783.7611 So, I'm gonna turn and ask some more like, general questions about Rochester. 1787.7022 1296 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1787.7116 Mm-hm. 1788.0053 1297 ROC_int_01 1788.3037 Um, so, one of them is, what are some of your favorite things about Rochester? 1793.0709 1298 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1797.0659 About Rochester, 1798.2134 1299 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1798.2134 (pause 0.60) 1798.8134 1300 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1798.8134 um, I think, uh, 1800.3952 1301 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1800.3952 (pause 0.72) 1801.1168 1302 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1801.1168 I think Rochester is a great place, um, 1803.7579 1303 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1803.7579 (pause 0.16) 1803.9148 1304 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1803.9148 it's not too big. You know, 1805.4579 1305 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1805.4579 (pause 0.39) 1805.8450 1306 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1805.8450 I don't know if I could ever live permanently in a place like New York City cause it's huge it's- it's massive. 1811.8729 1307 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1811.8729 (pause 0.11) 1811.9802 1308 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1811.9802 There's so much going on. 1813.3406 1309 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1813.3406 (pause 0.50) 1813.8442 1310 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1813.8442 Um, you can't really relax, 1815.5601 1311 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1815.5601 (pause 0.29) 1815.8539 1312 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1815.8539 um, but I obviously don't wanna be in farmland, you know. So, /mark/- Rochester's this middle ground. 1821.0659 1313 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1821.0659 (pause 0.54) 1821.6021 1314 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1821.6021 Um, 1822.2083 1315 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1822.2083 (pause 0.41) 1822.6233 1316 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1822.6233 not too big, 1823.5653 1317 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1823.5653 (pause 0.20) 1823.7660 1318 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1823.7660 not too small. 1824.8381 1319 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1824.8381 (pause 0.38) 1825.2194 1320 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1825.2194 It's got a lot of art, 1826.2499 1321 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1826.2499 (pause 0.45) 1826.6975 1322 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1826.6975 it's got a lot of history 1827.9518 1323 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1827.9518 (pause 0.31) 1828.2642 1324 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1828.2642 I'm proud that Susan B. Anthony and Frederick Douglass, you know, lived a- an important part of their lives here. 1834.2502 1325 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1834.2502 (pause 0.55) 1834.7958 1326 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1834.7958 Um, 1835.4579 1327 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1835.4579 (pause 0.18) 1835.6398 1328 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1835.6398 it's got a lot of great music scene. 1837.7836 1329 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1837.7836 (pause 0.50) 1838.2825 1330 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1838.2825 Um, 1839.0447 1331 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1839.0447 (pause 0.27) 1839.3192 1332 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1839.3192 we have a lot of 1840.1523 1333 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1840.1523 (pause 0.22) 1840.3715 1334 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1840.3715 you know, restaurants. there's a lot going in in Rochester. Again, we can't compete with DC, or New York, but 1846.1010 1335 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1846.1010 (pause 0.32) 1846.4181 1336 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1846.4181 in terms of middle size cities, I think Rochester's- has a great history and a lot going on. And, 1852.7119 1337 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1852.7119 (pause 0.40) 1853.1129 1338 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1853.1129 um, we can keep ourselves busy here. Um, I'm never bored, we are always discovering- it's great that she's not from- my wife isn't from Rochester 1860.4558 1339 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1860.4558 (pause 0.37) 1860.8230 1340 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1860.8230 cause I discover things with her all the time, that I wouldn't 1863.3783 1341 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1863.3783 (pause 0.40) 1863.7793 1342 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1863.7793 because I've been here my whole life. But I think it really- and she tells me all the time- it's a- She's live in Syracuse, Rochester and Buffalo and she loves Rochester. 1871.1082 1343 ROC_int_01 1871.1921 Really? 1871.6771 1344 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1871.7191 Yeah, she loves it more than Buffalo or 1873.9517 1345 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1873.9517 (pause 0.13) 1874.0811 1346 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1874.0811 Syracuse, [so, yeah.] 1875.7700 1347 ROC_int_01 1874.7255 [Mm.] That's cool. 1876.4834 1348 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1876.4927 Yeah, [yeah.] 1877.3880 1349 ROC_int_01 1876.9403 [Yeah.] I have a friend who's from here, but 1879.1634 1350 ROC_int_01 1879.3779 she went to school in Buffalo and she just swears by Buffalo (laughing). 1882.8984 1351 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1882.9450 She lived there for ten years. Went to college [and] she love Rochester more than Buffalo. [So], 1888.1337 1352 ROC_int_01 1885.0188 [Mm-hm], 1885.5318 1353 ROC_int_01 1885.5318 (pause 2.25) 1887.7784 1354 ROC_int_01 1887.7784 [/yeah/.] 1888.2689 1355 ROC_int_01 1888.4974 [Yeah.] Okay, cool, 1890.3998 1356 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1888.5114 [] 1889.5139 1357 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1890.4185 Yeah, [yeah.] 1891.2104 1358 ROC_int_01 1890.8463 [Um], but I know what you mean too, by like, you live here so long and you don't notice things until you have someone else, come and show you. 1898.7954 1359 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1898.7954 [Absolutely.] 1899.6814 1360 ROC_int_01 1899.5788 [The] last I visited, uh, with my boyfriend, he's like, oh let's check out the brewery, and /I was like/ I've never been there[/in my life/ (laughing).] 1906.6932 1361 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1904.9773 [] 1906.6746 1362 ROC_int_01 1906.8518 Like, [ever.] 1907.8729 1363 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1907.4486 [Do you] know there's a 1908.3672 1364 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1908.4615 fantasy, uh, park here. F- like, 1910.9633 1365 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1910.9633 (pause 0.40) 1911.3643 1366 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1911.3643 like a- what are they called, fairy park. 1913.4533 1367 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1913.4533 (pause 0.59) 1914.0443 1368 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1914.0443 In Henrietta there is a park 1915.7882 1369 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1915.7882 (pause 0.49) 1916.2778 1370 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1916.2778 with little like, twenty something little 1918.1523 1371 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1918.1523 (pause 0.24) 1918.3948 1372 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1918.3948 fairy houses built into the trees. 1920.9581 1373 ROC_int_01 1921.1821 Wow. 1921.7602 1374 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1921.7836 Yeah. 1922.3105 1375 ROC_int_01 1922.3524 That sounds really cool. 1923.8259 1376 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1923.8352 Like, 1924.2875 1377 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1924.2875 (pause 0.18) 1924.4694 1378 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1924.4694 /we/ you know. So, I- like we try to do date nights. Um, [we do-] we've been together almost five years, but we 1929.5368 1379 ROC_int_01 1927.7696 [Yeah.] 1928.1100 1380 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1929.7653 we really believe in trying to keep our lives k- 1932.3998 1381 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1932.3998 (pause 0.32) 1932.7158 1382 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1932.7158 like don't ever lose it. 1933.9048 1383 ROC_int_01 1933.9188 [Mm-hm.] 1934.3431 1384 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1934.0633 [Keep] working for each other. 1935.6674 1385 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1935.9005 You know like, 1936.7352 1386 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1936.7352 (pause 0.40) 1937.1362 1387 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1937.1362 work just as hard as the first year, 1938.9433 1388 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1938.9433 (pause 0.34) 1939.2846 1389 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1939.2846 as the [twentieth year.] 1940.4970 1390 ROC_int_01 1939.7836 [Yeah.] That's beautiful. [] 1941.8166 1391 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1941.3596 [And so] we rotate on, uh, date nights. And so, we're al- I'm always looking for 1945.7509 1392 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1945.8722 new creative things to do and I found the fairy park and I'm like, 1949.3227 1393 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1949.3227 (pause 0.61) 1949.9289 1394 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1949.9289 what? 1950.3625 1395 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1950.3625 (pause 0.16) 1950.5246 1396 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1950.5246 Were- [] 1952.7089 1397 ROC_int_01 1951.1074 [Yes, I-] 1951.8672 1398 ROC_int_01 1951.8672 (pause 0.34) 1952.2044 1399 ROC_int_01 1952.2044 [until] you just [said this to me, I didn't know that was a thing.] 1955.9510 1400 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1953.5569 Yes. ] 1955.7998 1401 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1955.9919 Exactly. [Exactly. So], 1957.8819 1402 ROC_int_01 1956.6703 [Yeah. Okay, I'll] have to add it to the list then. 1959.2315 1403 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1959.3015 Yeah. 1959.8657 1404 ROC_int_01 1960.0755 Cool. 1960.6024 1405 ROC_int_01 1960.6024 (pause 0.32) 1960.9242 1406 ROC_int_01 1960.9242 Um, okay. So, those are some of your favorite things. What are some of the things you dislike, or need improvement you think, 1967.3951 1407 ROC_int_01 1967.3951 (pause 0.47) 1967.8661 1408 ROC_int_01 1967.8661 um, 1968.3251 1409 ROC_int_01 1968.3251 (pause 0.28) 1968.6035 1410 ROC_int_01 1968.6035 with respect to Rochester? 1969.8979 1411 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1970.0611 1970.1917 1412 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1970.1917 (pause 0.39) 1970.5787 1413 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1970.5787 You know, I can't- 1971.3012 1414 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1971.3012 (pause 0.16) 1971.4659 1415 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1971.4659 this is a personal one, um, 1973.0827 1416 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1973.0827 (pause 0.49) 1973.5723 1417 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1973.5723 I mean we still live in- 1974.7473 1418 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1974.7473 (pause 0.32) 1975.0679 1419 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1975.0679 I always joke about if we didn't have New York City we'd be a red state. 1978.4392 1420 ROC_int_01 1979.2086 Mm. 1979.5024 1421 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1979.5676 New York City is holding us down. 1981.4783 1422 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1981.4783 (pause 0.35) 1981.8327 1423 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1981.8327 Because Upstate New York is conservative. 1984.8589 1424 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1984.8589 (pause 0.55) 1985.4044 1425 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1985.4044 It is ultra conservative. And I am reminded of it everyday that I drive out to Victor to go to my job. 1991.0594 1426 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1991.0594 (pause 0.35) 1991.4138 1427 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1991.4138 Granted, I have a lot of young folks that work at my job, 1993.8140 1428 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1993.8140 (pause 0.46) 1994.2710 1429 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1994.2710 that 1994.6645 1430 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1994.6645 (pause 0.26) 1994.9222 1431 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1994.9222 it balances. Um, 1996.8200 1432 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1996.8200 (pause 0.14) 1996.9572 1433 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1996.9572 but 1997.4371 1434 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1997.4371 (pause 0.83) 1998.2659 1435 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 1998.2659 the trucks and the signs and the 2000.4901 1436 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2000.4901 (pause 0.41) 2000.9005 1437 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2000.9005 the- it- we live in such a conserv- you know. 2003.4790 1438 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2003.4790 (pause 0.35) 2003.8334 1439 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2003.8334 It's 2004.4303 1440 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2004.4303 (pause 0.53) 2004.9560 1441 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2004.9560 outside 2005.6508 1442 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2005.6508 (pause 0.43) 2006.0798 1443 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2006.0798 the city limits of Rochester. 2008.7936 1444 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2008.7936 (pause 0.75) 2009.5443 1445 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2009.5443 you could be driving into the South. [You know, and- and] some of these areas in terms of 2014.9335 1446 ROC_int_01 2011.7394 [Mm-hm.] 2013.0497 1447 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2015.4091 their belief systems. And- and, um, 2018.7839 1448 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2018.7839 (pause 1.17) 2019.9543 1449 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2019.9543 and their politics, and- 2022.2811 1450 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2022.2811 (pause 0.67) 2022.9467 1451 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2022.9467 And so that's the one thing 2024.7885 1452 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2024.7885 (pause 0.71) 2025.5020 1453 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2025.5020 that is, uh, 2026.9335 1454 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2026.9335 (pause 0.54) 2027.4697 1455 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2027.4697 a little disappointing 2028.6961 1456 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2028.6961 (pause 0.27) 2028.9654 1457 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2028.9654 about living in this area. 2030.3269 1458 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2030.3269 (pause 0.19) 2030.5181 1459 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2030.5181 [Um], 2031.1102 1460 ROC_int_01 2030.5181 [Mm-hm.] 2031.1476 1461 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2031.3947 but 2031.6512 1462 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2031.6512 (pause 0.80) 2032.4485 1463 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2032.4485 I don't have a lot of knocks. Um, it's pretty affordable. 2036.0332 1464 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2036.0332 (pause 0.82) 2036.8538 1465 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2036.8538 I love the grittiness of the inner city, 2038.8542 1466 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2038.8542 (pause 0.28) 2039.1293 1467 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2039.1293 it's- it's- it's my it's- my people. It's 2042.0984 1468 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2042.0984 (pause 0.42) 2042.5181 1469 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2042.5181 [where I come] from. 2043.6838 1470 ROC_int_01 2042.5228 [Mm-hm.] 2043.0450 1471 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2044.3040 They get a bad rep. 2046.3650 1472 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2046.3650 (pause 0.37) 2046.7369 1473 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2046.7369 I'm never intimidated, or scared, uh, 2049.5206 1474 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2049.5206 (pause 0.46) 2049.9822 1475 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2049.9822 uh, you know. 2050.6817 1476 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2050.6817 (pause 0.49) 2051.1760 1477 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2051.1760 It's you know, it's- it's funny cause we get to do a lot of 2053.7572 1478 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2053.7572 (pause 1.12) 2054.8818 1479 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2054.8818 2054.9891 1480 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2054.9891 (pause 0.49) 2055.4787 1481 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2055.4787 comparisons because she's white and I'm black and- and our cultures are different. Our backgrounds and- and you know, some of the things 2062.8169 1482 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2062.8169 (pause 0.46) 2063.2739 1483 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2063.2739 that are very obvious to her. Like, our friendliness is a culture. You know, and how we speak. 2067.9856 1484 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2067.9856 (pause 0.59) 2068.5744 1485 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2068.5744 And how- you know, and she's like, how could somebody be afraid of him? You know, this kid 2073.2082 1486 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2073.2082 (pause 0.30) 2073.5066 1487 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2073.5066 I'm walking down the street, he's got dreads, got a mean look on his face and I'm like, hey 2077.0073 1488 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2077.0073 (pause 0.20) 2077.2078 1489 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2077.2078 and he look up and gave you a smile. You know, and it's like, 2080.0569 1490 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2080.0569 (pause 0.63) 2080.6863 1491 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2080.6863 y- you know, I love 2082.2018 1492 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2082.2018 (pause 0.31) 2082.5131 1493 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2082.5131 the inner city and- and I don't discount 2085.2502 1494 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2085.2502 (pause 0.19) 2085.4415 1495 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2085.4415 the bad things that happen, but 2087.1760 1496 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2087.1760 (pause 0.38) 2087.5536 1497 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2087.5536 they happen everywhere. we just make the news more. [] 2092.5744 1498 ROC_int_01 2091.1429 [Yeah.] 2091.5952 1499 ROC_int_01 2091.5952 (pause 0.97) 2092.5698 1500 ROC_int_01 2092.5698 I agree with that. 2093.6702 1501 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2093.6795 Yeah. 2094.2997 1502 ROC_int_01 2094.2986 And, um, 2095.1395 1503 ROC_int_01 2095.3708 just back to- you said it was really conservative in- 2098.3226 1504 ROC_int_01 2098.3226 (pause 0.48) 2098.8029 1505 ROC_int_01 2098.8029 the younger folks at your job, do you think they're like, carrying on the same conservative mentality, or are they a little more progressive? 2106.0386 1506 ROC_int_01 2106.0386 (pause 0.49) 2106.5270 1507 ROC_int_01 2106.5270 Cause I alwa- this is something I always wonder about. [] 2108.9378 1508 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2108.6953 [We] talk about this too, my wife and I. We have political discussions all the time. Um, 2113.6741 1509 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2114.4948 I think that, some of them are conservative. I think the majority of them are not. 2119.1425 1510 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2119.1425 (pause 0.53) 2119.6695 1511 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2119.6695 Um, I think right now there are a lot of folks 2122.6149 1512 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2122.6149 (pause 0.61) 2123.2272 1513 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2123.2272 who are being bombarded 2124.5935 1514 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2124.5935 (pause 0.45) 2125.0446 1515 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2125.0446 by things they didn't know existed. 2126.8678 1516 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2126.8678 (pause 0.95) 2127.8144 1517 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2127.8144 And they're having- 2129.9453 1518 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2129.9453 (pause 0.43) 2130.3790 1519 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2130.3790 what is it called 2131.3796 1520 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2131.3796 (pause 0.23) 2131.6110 1521 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2131.6110 where, 2132.1870 1522 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2132.1870 (pause 0.69) 2132.8771 1523 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2132.8771 um, 2133.4693 1524 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2133.4693 (pause 0.37) 2133.8377 1525 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2133.8377 what you were taught is completely different than what you're looking at. 2137.1379 1526 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2137.1379 (pause 0.28) 2137.4130 1527 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2137.4130 Uh, I can't think of the terminology. 2139.2175 1528 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2139.2175 (pause 0.42) 2139.6372 1529 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2139.6372 Um, 2140.1548 1530 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2140.1548 (pause 0.28) 2140.4299 1531 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2140.4299 and so, 2141.2506 1532 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2141.2506 (pause 0.61) 2141.8567 1533 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2141.8567 you start to, you know, when you see a police officer kill someone 2145.7447 1534 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2145.7447 (pause 0.12) 2145.8662 1535 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2145.8662 on tape, 2146.5465 1536 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2146.5465 (pause 0.17) 2146.7190 1537 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2146.7190 and it looks wrong, 2147.8614 1538 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2147.8614 (pause 0.32) 2148.1831 1539 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2148.1831 there has to be a reason for it. 2149.6228 1540 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2149.6228 (pause 0.40) 2150.0238 1541 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2150.0238 Because that's just not what I was taught. You know, and I s- I think there are a lot of folks 2154.0712 1542 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2154.0712 (pause 0.35) 2154.4245 1543 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2154.4245 who are in this middle ground right now, 2155.9959 1544 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2155.9959 (pause 0.69) 2156.6906 1545 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2156.6906 who can't really explain what's going on, 2159.0267 1546 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2159.0267 (pause 1.36) 2160.3836 1547 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2160.3836 but it can't be that. You know what I mean? their- [their- ] 2162.7418 1548 ROC_int_01 2162.5927 [Uh], cognitive [dissonance? Yeah.] 2164.8029 1549 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2163.6465 [Cognitive dissonance.] ye- yeah, yes, dissonance yes. Um, 2168.0238 1550 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2168.2896 2168.3829 1551 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2168.3829 (pause 0.41) 2168.7932 1552 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2168.7932 that's what's going on. 2170.0895 1553 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2170.0895 (pause 0.48) 2170.5698 1554 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2170.5698 And- and so, I think that 2173.6042 1555 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2173.6042 (pause 0.41) 2174.0098 1556 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2174.0098 our generation is better than the last, 2176.1408 1557 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2176.1408 (pause 0.77) 2176.9148 1558 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2176.9148 in terms of 2178.2111 1559 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2178.2111 (pause 0.60) 2178.8068 1560 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2178.8068 open mindedness 2179.6601 1561 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2179.6601 (pause 0.48) 2180.1451 1562 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2180.1451 but not that much more (laughing). 2181.8020 1563 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2181.8020 (pause 0.27) 2182.0760 1564 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2182.0760 I do think- 2182.8076 1565 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2182.8076 (pause 0.43) 2183.2366 1566 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2183.2366 I mean you think about, um, social media and who all the trolls are, 2187.2568 1567 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2187.2568 (pause 0.44) 2187.6960 1568 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2187.6960 they tend to be 2188.7097 1569 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2188.7097 (pause 0.91) 2189.6189 1570 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2189.6189 young white guys, 2190.6867 1571 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2190.6867 (pause 1.19) 2191.8793 1572 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2191.8793 computer geeks 2192.9144 1573 ROC_int_01 2193.2688 Mm-hm. 2193.7678 1574 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2193.8470 I mean these are the folks who- so, 2196.2251 1575 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2196.2251 (pause 0.34) 2196.5690 1576 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2196.5690 I do think a lot of this is being passed on. 2199.3714 1577 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2199.3714 (pause 0.32) 2199.6931 1578 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2199.6931 Um, but I do think for the most part- 2202.2484 1579 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2202.2484 (pause 0.46) 2202.7042 1580 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2202.7042 You know, there used to be an entire generation of folks who all believed this stuff. 2206.3180 1581 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2206.3180 (pause 0.29) 2206.6071 1582 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2206.6071 You know, and there were 2207.5723 1583 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2207.5723 (pause 0.55) 2208.1179 1584 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2208.1179 dots of folks who didn't. 2209.7254 1585 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2209.7254 (pause 0.82) 2210.5414 1586 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2210.5414 I think 2211.1429 1587 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2211.1429 (pause 0.56) 2211.7071 1588 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2211.7071 there are more people who are more open minded, 2214.2904 1589 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2214.2904 (pause 0.35) 2214.6390 1590 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2214.6390 who are braver, 2215.6275 1591 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2215.6275 (pause 0.43) 2216.0565 1592 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2216.0565 who are- I mean there are white people who are woke. My wife is one. 2219.7719 1593 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2219.7719 (pause 0.16) 2219.9327 1594 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2219.9327 Um, 2220.4256 1595 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2220.4256 (pause 0.56) 2220.9840 1596 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2220.9840 she gets more angry than I do. You know, and- and, 2224.2434 1597 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2224.2434 (pause 0.52) 2224.7610 1598 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2224.7610 um, 2225.3019 1599 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2225.3019 (pause 0.33) 2225.6329 1600 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2225.6329 I think you have a higher 2227.0679 1601 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2227.0679 (pause 0.45) 2227.5156 1602 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2227.5156 population of those folks. 2229.1429 1603 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2229.1429 (pause 0.55) 2229.6885 1604 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2229.6885 But I do there are a lot of folks who are still, 2232.9793 1605 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2232.9793 (pause 0.53) 2233.5109 1606 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2233.5109 um, 2234.0272 1607 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2234.0272 (pause 0.28) 2234.3095 1608 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2234.3095 picking up the torches of, um, 2236.7749 1609 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2236.7749 (pause 0.91) 2237.6889 1610 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2237.6889 what their parents 2238.9607 1611 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2238.9607 (pause 0.59) 2239.5482 1612 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2239.5482 have taught them. 2240.3735 1613 ROC_int_01 2240.7326 Yeah. 2241.1196 1614 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2241.1149 So, 2241.5999 1615 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2242.2014 but I do think it's mostly, 2243.2389 1616 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2243.2389 (pause 0.24) 2243.4781 1617 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2243.4781 folks who are in the middle. 2244.4506 1618 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2244.4506 (pause 0.22) 2244.6701 1619 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2244.6701 But you can look at it as- 2246.1014 1620 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2246.1014 (pause 0.42) 2246.5170 1621 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2246.5170 What's that saying? if you don't take a stance, you are taking a stance. 2249.8381 1622 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2249.8381 (pause 0.25) 2250.0852 1623 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2250.0852 You know? 2250.5317 1624 ROC_int_01 2250.6902 Mm-hm. 2251.2684 1625 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2251.7534 People don't wanna get involved. 2252.9457 1626 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2252.9457 (pause 0.70) 2253.6419 1627 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2253.6419 [That's] not my problem. 2254.8449 1628 ROC_int_01 2253.6419 [Yeah.] 2253.8797 1629 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2255.9174 You're part of the problem. You know? [] 2258.2150 1630 ROC_int_01 2257.7767 [Mm-hm.] 2258.2430 1631 ROC_int_01 2258.7839 /I think it was, uh,/ if you choose silence, you have chosen the side of the [oppressor.] 2264.6766 1632 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2264.4367 [Yeah,] something [like that. Yep.] 2266.0221 1633 ROC_int_01 2264.9216 [Something like that], yeah. 2266.3018 1634 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2266.4324 Yep. 2266.7308 1635 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2266.7308 (pause 0.48) 2267.2099 1636 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2267.2099 And we all, you know, 2268.3524 1637 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2268.3524 (pause 1.38) 2269.7279 1638 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2269.7279 2270.1569 1639 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2270.1569 (pause 0.43) 2270.5859 1640 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2270.5859 we're all guilty of some type of collusion, or 2274.7580 1641 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2274.7580 (pause 0.62) 2275.3782 1642 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2275.3782 you know, whatever it takes to survive. 2277.4998 1643 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2277.4998 (pause 0.30) 2277.7982 1644 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2277.7982 We've all had to swallow our pride at some point. And so, I'm not judgmental at all. 2282.4134 1645 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2282.4134 (pause 0.69) 2283.0988 1646 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2283.0988 Um, and I think we 2284.8567 1647 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2284.8567 (pause 1.38) 2286.2358 1648 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2286.2358 and- and- and I don't know where you are in your journey, but a lot of us, 2289.1687 1649 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2289.1687 (pause 0.60) 2289.7653 1650 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2289.7653 carry guilt. 2290.6721 1651 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2290.6721 (pause 0.77) 2291.4415 1652 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2291.4415 2291.5720 1653 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2291.5720 (pause 0.46) 2292.0290 1654 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2292.0290 Um, 2292.5155 1655 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2292.5155 (pause 0.19) 2292.7076 1656 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2292.7076 because 2293.5118 1657 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2293.5118 (pause 1.69) 2295.1986 1658 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2295.1986 in one 2295.7675 1659 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2295.7675 (pause 0.58) 2296.3457 1660 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2296.3457 sense, 2296.9332 1661 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2296.9332 (pause 0.33) 2297.2596 1662 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2297.2596 it's your responsibility to stand up, 2299.1248 1663 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2299.1248 (pause 0.50) 2299.6237 1664 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2299.6237 in another sense, 2300.7038 1665 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2300.7038 (pause 0.22) 2300.9273 1666 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2300.9273 you need to survive. 2302.0519 1667 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2302.0519 (pause 0.55) 2302.5975 1668 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2302.5975 And these folks aren't, 2304.0663 1669 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2304.0663 (pause 0.44) 2304.5046 1670 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2304.5046 you know, into explanation, you know. 2307.1080 1671 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2307.1080 (pause 0.23) 2307.3393 1672 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2307.3393 You just need your paycheck. 2308.6559 1673 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2308.6559 (pause 0.55) 2309.2037 1674 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2309.2037 And so what are you willing to put up with 2311.3486 1675 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2311.3486 (pause 0.46) 2311.8102 1676 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2311.8102 in order 2312.4143 1677 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2312.4143 (pause 0.22) 2312.6299 1678 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2312.6299 to pay your bills. 2313.6063 1679 ROC_int_01 2313.8001 [Mm.] 2314.3084 1680 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2313.8024 [You know], and so it's a- k- it's a- it's a daily struggle 2317.2413 1681 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2318.2474 around, 2319.1124 1682 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2319.1124 (pause 0.27) 2319.3870 1683 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2319.3870 what's acceptable, 2320.6534 1684 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2320.6534 (pause 1.47) 2322.1269 1685 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2322.1269 how much you're willing to put up with, 2324.0713 1686 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2324.0713 (pause 0.78) 2324.8536 1687 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2324.8536 what's your breaking point, 2326.2944 1688 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2326.2944 (pause 0.30) 2326.5975 1689 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2326.5975 or what's your stand up point? And that's just a, 2328.8963 1690 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2328.8963 (pause 0.61) 2329.5025 1691 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2329.5025 um, 2330.0294 1692 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2330.0294 (pause 0.68) 2330.7137 1693 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2330.7137 I think we all struggle with that. 2332.1405 1694 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2332.1405 (pause 0.83) 2332.9658 1695 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2332.9658 Everyday of our lives. You know, 2334.7704 1696 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2334.7704 (pause 0.49) 2335.2600 1697 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2335.2600 I struggled more when I was at /RD-WORK-2/ . 2338.0566 1698 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2338.0566 (pause 0.59) 2338.6488 1699 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2338.6488 [Um. ] 2340.8027 1700 ROC_int_01 2338.6488 [That was a lot of effort /to go there too/ ] 2341.3439 1701 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2341.4576 Um, 2342.2418 1702 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2342.2418 (pause 0.20) 2342.4457 1703 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2342.4457 but I have had 2343.4364 1704 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2343.4364 (pause 0.72) 2344.1592 1705 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2344.1592 a handful of days at my company that were, 2346.3021 1706 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2346.3021 (pause 0.27) 2346.5717 1707 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2346.5717 you know, 2347.0921 1708 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2347.0921 (pause 1.26) 2348.3546 1709 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2348.3546 my blackness 2349.5856 1710 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2349.5856 (pause 1.38) 2350.9705 1711 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2350.9705 was, 2351.9917 1712 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2351.9917 (pause 1.73) 2353.7263 1713 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2353.7263 you know, 2354.1180 1714 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2354.1180 (pause 0.45) 2354.5644 1715 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2354.5644 bleeding 2355.4364 1716 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2355.4364 (pause 1.24) 2356.6721 1717 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2356.6721 off of me. [You know], it just- just 2359.1388 1718 ROC_int_01 2357.5207 [Mm-hm.] 2358.1549 1719 ROC_int_01 2359.3346 Yeah, like a [hypervisiblity?] 2361.2312 1720 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2361.0230 [Yes], 2361.9563 1721 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2362.3445 yes. 2363.1384 1722 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2363.1384 (pause 0.56) 2363.6973 1723 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2363.6973 Absolutely. 2364.7238 1724 ROC_int_01 2365.1854 Mm-hm. 2365.6190 1725 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2366.5784 Again, not nearly as many as /RD-WORK-2/, but- but 2369.1663 1726 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2369.1663 (pause 1.97) 2371.1387 1727 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2371.1387 there have been instances. and- and I- after leaving /RD-WORK-2/ I- you know, there was one incident, where 2376.3414 1728 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2376.3414 (pause 0.61) 2376.9476 1729 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2376.9476 that happened at my job and I just t- 2378.5799 1730 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2378.5799 (pause 0.46) 2379.0387 1731 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2379.0387 told myself I would never be in that situation again, 2381.5531 1732 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2381.5531 (pause 0.21) 2381.7649 1733 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2381.7649 cause I was so, 2383.1154 1734 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2383.1154 (pause 0.26) 2383.3719 1735 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2383.3719 it was so bad. 2384.2799 1736 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2384.2799 (pause 0.98) 2385.2592 1737 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2385.2592 And 2385.7721 1738 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2385.7721 (pause 0.48) 2386.2477 1739 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2386.2477 I did stick up for, you know, something I believed in at my job. And- 2389.6339 1740 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2389.6339 (pause 0.22) 2389.8535 1741 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2389.8535 and 2390.3966 1742 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2390.3966 (pause 0.37) 2390.7649 1743 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2390.7649 it didn't get handled well. 2391.9680 1744 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2391.9680 (pause 1.16) 2393.1244 1745 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2393.1244 But I walked out with my pride, 2394.8657 1746 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2394.8657 (pause 0.19) 2395.0539 1747 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2395.0539 [you know what I mean.] And I didn't lose my job. And I didn't, 2397.7427 1748 ROC_int_01 2395.0781 [Mm.] 2395.7076 1749 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2397.8681 you know. 2398.4576 1750 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2398.4576 (pause 0.69) 2399.1430 1751 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2399.1430 But it was something that I was never able to do at /RD-WORK-2/, you know. And so, that was- 2403.2639 1752 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2403.2639 (pause 0.66) 2403.9213 1753 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2403.9213 that was a good thing. 2404.7094 1754 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2404.7094 (pause 0.37) 2405.0777 1755 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2405.0777 It was important. You know, 2406.4953 1756 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2406.4953 (pause 0.46) 2406.9522 1757 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2406.9522 so. 2407.3905 1758 ROC_int_01 2407.5724 Mm-hm. 2408.0748 1759 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2408.1261 Yeah. 2408.5225 1760 ROC_int_01 2408.6251 Do you feel like you're 2409.7115 1761 ROC_int_01 2409.7115 (pause 0.72) 2410.4267 1762 ROC_int_01 2410.4267 kind of, I don't know maybe forced to talk about these things a little more given the climate, [social] [climate, or whatever? No? /Okay/.] 2416.9705 1763 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2414.8256 [No.] 2415.2359 1764 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2415.2359 (pause 0.52) 2415.7535 1765 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2415.7535 [I don't talk about it at] work. 2417.3317 1766 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2417.5160 At all. 2418.0476 1767 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2418.0476 (pause 0.56) 2418.6072 1768 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2418.6072 Zero. 2419.2880 1769 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2419.2880 (pause 0.65) 2419.9396 1770 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2419.9396 I- I don't even 2421.3152 1771 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2421.3152 (pause 0.36) 2421.6742 1772 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2421.6742 open that spa- I am the only black woman at my job. I am only one of two black people at my job. I wouldn't say there are maybe a hundred and twenty, a hundred and thirty people. 2429.3249 1773 ROC_int_01 2429.7865 Mm. 2430.0430 1774 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2430.0383 Um, 2430.5479 1775 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2430.7714 so, 2431.4419 1776 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2431.4419 (pause 0.11) 2431.5556 1777 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2431.5556 uh, there are no Latinos. 2433.1659 1778 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2433.1659 (pause 0.69) 2433.8573 1779 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2433.8573 There's one Indian guy. 2434.9798 1780 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2434.9798 (pause 0.77) 2435.7492 1781 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2435.7492 So we're talking, one black man, one black woman, one Indian guy and all the rest are 2440.0239 1782 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2440.0239 (pause 0.16) 2440.1825 1783 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2440.1825 white men and women. And so, it is not- 2442.5326 1784 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2442.5326 (pause 0.74) 2443.2740 1785 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2443.2740 not that I've ever felt threatened, 2445.0540 1786 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2445.0540 (pause 0.25) 2445.3012 1787 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2445.3012 but it's just not a safe space to have open and honest race discussions. So, I don't even go there. 2450.5271 1788 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2450.5271 (pause 0.46) 2450.9888 1789 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2450.9888 I don't invite the [conversation.] 2452.8425 1790 ROC_int_01 2452.6954 [Mm.] 2453.1523 1791 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2453.2387 The only time I ever 2454.8869 1792 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2454.8869 (pause 0.40) 2455.2833 1793 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2455.2833 said anything, 2456.2798 1794 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2456.2798 (pause 0.69) 2456.9748 1795 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2456.9748 2457.0913 1796 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2457.0913 (pause 0.22) 2457.3105 1797 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2457.3105 um, 2457.8141 1798 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2457.8141 (pause 0.54) 2458.3550 1799 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2458.3550 wa- recently, 2459.7399 1800 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2459.7399 (pause 0.44) 2460.1782 1801 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2460.1782 um, it was, one of- 2462.1086 1802 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2462.1086 (pause 0.87) 2462.9748 1803 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2462.9748 one of the bad weeks. 2464.1498 1804 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2464.1498 (pause 0.67) 2464.8213 1805 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2464.8213 I think it was the back to back videos with Alton Sterling and [it was-] it was just an awful, 2469.7162 1806 ROC_int_01 2467.8859 [Right.] 2468.2893 1807 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2470.2151 awful week. 2471.0078 1808 ROC_int_01 2471.0125 Yeah. 2471.5394 1809 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2471.9823 And 2472.6305 1810 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2472.6305 (pause 0.79) 2473.4220 1811 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2473.4220 I know what we as black people were feeling. 2475.5063 1812 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2475.5063 (pause 0.31) 2475.8187 1813 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2475.8187 And the black guy at work, we had never talked about race cause it just doesn't feel safe to- 2479.6003 1814 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2479.6003 (pause 0.20) 2479.8003 1815 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2479.8003 you know. And those spaces especially are the only w- 2481.8654 1816 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2481.8654 (pause 0.27) 2482.1358 1817 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2482.1358 We've never- we talk about sports, we've never gone there. 2484.9849 1818 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2484.9849 (pause 0.50) 2485.4826 1819 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2485.4826 He's married to a white woman. I don't know if he's Don Lemon, or he's- you know, I don't- 2489.5813 1820 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2489.5813 (pause 0.23) 2489.8078 1821 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2489.8078 Not that I'm not married to a white [woman (laughing), but I] don't know where [he's at.] 2493.5427 1822 ROC_int_01 2491.3091 [Mm-hm.] 2491.9106 1823 ROC_int_01 2491.9106 (pause 0.89) 2492.8013 1824 ROC_int_01 2492.8013 [Where he stands.] 2493.5661 1825 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2493.7887 2493.8493 1826 ROC_int_01 2493.8260 Mm-hm. 2494.2597 1827 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2494.2597 And I- And I remember one morning, 2496.1466 1828 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2496.2721 that week, 2497.0108 1829 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2497.0108 (pause 0.77) 2497.7848 1830 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2497.7848 I was in the cafeteria, 2498.9645 1831 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2498.9645 (pause 0.28) 2499.2397 1832 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2499.2397 and I needed to check in with him. 2500.7549 1833 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2500.7549 (pause 0.16) 2500.9157 1834 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2500.9157 And I said, how are you? 2502.1015 1835 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2502.1015 (pause 0.51) 2502.6144 1836 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2502.6144 And he gave me a look, 2503.7708 1837 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2503.7708 (pause 0.30) 2504.0739 1838 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2504.0739 and it was- it was important that I checked in with him. And he said, 2507.7891 1839 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2507.7891 (pause 0.69) 2508.4792 1840 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2508.4792 he said it's just- you know like, we- we connected. 2510.6428 1841 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2510.6428 (pause 0.52) 2511.1604 1842 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2511.1604 And 2511.7059 1843 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2511.7059 (pause 0.28) 2511.9904 1844 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2511.9904 we only had a couple of minutes, because somebody came into the cafeteria and we ended it, 2515.7196 1845 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2515.7196 (pause 0.57) 2516.2931 1846 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2516.2931 but I'm so glad I checked in with him, 2517.9981 1847 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2517.9981 (pause 0.21) 2518.2059 1848 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2518.2059 because I think he needed that. You know, 2520.2565 1849 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2520.2565 (pause 0.25) 2520.5037 1850 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2520.5037 I don't know that for sure, 2521.6636 1851 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2521.6636 (pause 0.40) 2522.0599 1852 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2522.0599 but he talked to me, 2523.1884 1853 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2523.1884 (pause 0.67) 2523.8552 1854 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2523.8552 um, it was almost like, I see you. 2525.8078 1855 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2525.8078 (pause 0.57) 2526.3813 1856 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2526.3813 You know, 2526.8726 1857 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2526.8726 (pause 0.21) 2527.0844 1858 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2527.0844 I'm acknowledging you. Especially as a black man. 2529.9111 1859 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2529.9111 (pause 0.42) 2530.3343 1860 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2530.3343 I know what I'm feeling. 2531.4456 1861 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2531.4456 (pause 0.27) 2531.7201 1862 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2531.7201 I know what you have to be feeling. 2533.3984 1863 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2533.3984 (pause 0.49) 2533.8921 1864 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2533.8921 And it was a good 2535.3656 1865 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2535.3656 (pause 0.35) 2535.7153 1866 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2535.7153 two minutes of conversation. We haven't talked about it since. 2538.3673 1867 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2538.3673 (pause 0.49) 2538.8569 1868 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2538.8569 Um, 2539.3007 1869 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2539.3007 (pause 0.23) 2539.5281 1870 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2539.5281 but I needed to check in with him. 2540.8338 1871 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2540.8338 (pause 0.22) 2541.0534 1872 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2541.0534 And- and I felt good about that check in. 2543.1826 1873 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2543.1826 (pause 0.15) 2543.3277 1874 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2543.3277 [You know.] 2543.8021 1875 ROC_int_01 2543.3415 [Mm-hm.] 2543.8311 1876 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2543.9025 So, 2544.3720 1877 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2544.3720 (pause 0.82) 2545.1880 1878 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2545.1880 that's it. [] 2546.7502 1879 ROC_int_01 2546.1765 [Yeah.] 2546.7081 1880 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2547.1246 It stays away from work. 2548.5313 1881 ROC_int_01 2548.8472 Yeah. 2549.1876 1882 ROC_int_01 2549.1876 (pause 0.85) 2550.0409 1883 ROC_int_01 2550.0409 Completely understand [that position] 2552.2525 1884 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2551.3092 [Mm-hm.] 2551.8361 1885 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2552.5402 [] 2553.7432 1886 ROC_int_01 2552.7505 [for sure.] 2553.7479 1887 ROC_int_01 2554.0463 Um, 2554.6432 1888 ROC_int_01 2554.6432 (pause 0.17) 2554.8091 1889 ROC_int_01 2554.8091 2554.9228 1890 ROC_int_01 2554.9228 (pause 0.49) 2555.4114 1891 ROC_int_01 2555.4114 so we talked about some of the changes that's- that are happening across Rochester, and with respect to like, the gentrification thing, [are there] any other major changes you see 2565.7001 1892 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2563.1833 [Mm-hm.] 2563.5470 1893 ROC_int_01 2566.0373 happening across the community? 2567.9150 1894 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2571.1044 2571.1557 1895 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2571.1557 (pause 0.08) 2571.2350 1896 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2571.2350 Um, 2571.6955 1897 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2571.6955 (pause 1.32) 2573.0197 1898 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2573.0197 activism. 2573.7716 1899 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2573.7716 (pause 0.22) 2573.9884 1900 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2573.9884 You know, I see /RD-NAME-3/'s group. I see, 2576.0460 1901 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2576.0460 (pause 0.48) 2576.5309 1902 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2576.5309 um, 2577.0811 1903 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2577.0811 (pause 0.37) 2577.4541 1904 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2577.4541 the group B-L-A-K- C-K 2579.9383 1905 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2579.9383 (pause 0.24) 2580.1808 1906 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2580.1808 Um, BLACK. 2580.9408 1907 ROC_int_01 2581.0761 Yeah. 2581.5563 1908 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2581.8688 which was different from black pride. 2583.6218 1909 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2583.6218 (pause 0.10) 2583.7237 1910 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2583.7237 But, um. 2584.6385 1911 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2584.6385 (pause 0.38) 2585.0232 1912 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2585.0232 I see a lot of activism happening. Um, a lot of folks in my feed. 2588.7192 1913 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2588.7192 (pause 0.43) 2589.1466 1914 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2589.1466 Um, they're brave. 2590.2808 1915 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2590.2808 (pause 0.25) 2590.5318 1916 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2590.5318 I mean, 2591.4277 1917 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2591.4277 (pause 1.00) 2592.4233 1918 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2592.4233 it- you know, for me, It feels like a choice between my career 2596.5080 1919 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2596.5080 (pause 1.82) 2598.3253 1920 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2598.3253 and 2599.0573 1921 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2599.0573 (pause 2.16) 2601.2163 1922 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2601.2163 what I'm socially passionate about. 2603.0196 1923 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2603.0196 (pause 0.20) 2603.2202 1924 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2603.2202 And so that's why I- I think I try to get- honestly, if I'm being honest with myself, 2607.2490 1925 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2607.2490 (pause 0.46) 2607.7059 1926 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2607.7059 I try to give back 2609.0023 1927 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2609.0023 (pause 0.78) 2609.7844 1928 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2609.7844 in ways, 2610.8805 1929 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2610.8805 (pause 0.21) 2611.0923 1930 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2611.0923 that can't come back on me. 2612.5088 1931 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2612.5088 (pause 0.47) 2612.9832 1932 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2612.9832 You know what I mean. And so, 2614.5453 1933 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2614.5453 (pause 0.49) 2615.0337 1934 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2615.0337 I don't know what getting involved with BLACK 2617.4911 1935 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2617.4911 (pause 0.34) 2617.8268 1936 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2617.8268 and protesting and getting arrested 2620.4940 1937 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2620.4940 (pause 0.37) 2620.8612 1938 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2620.8612 would do. I'd probably get fired. 2622.5479 1939 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2622.5479 (pause 0.60) 2623.1460 1940 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2623.1460 Well- I'm- I- I make 2624.7034 1941 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2624.7034 (pause 0.69) 2625.3889 1942 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2625.3889 too much money. 2626.1862 1943 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2626.1862 (pause 0.96) 2627.1456 1944 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2627.1456 Not that anybody else's money is less important. 2629.5424 1945 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2629.5424 (pause 0.31) 2629.8548 1946 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2629.8548 You know, cause people are making those decisions everyday and they're brave. 2633.2249 1947 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2633.2249 (pause 0.66) 2633.8870 1948 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2633.8870 Um, 2634.4652 1949 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2634.4652 (pause 0.82) 2635.2812 1950 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2635.2812 but I don't know if I'd be able to get another job. 2637.2163 1951 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2637.2163 (pause 0.54) 2637.7526 1952 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2637.7526 And making what I'm making now. And so, you have to m- and so, 2641.0667 1953 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2641.0667 (pause 0.65) 2641.7149 1954 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2641.7149 I am proud of the people who make those decisions and we need people up front and we need brave people. 2647.8967 1955 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2647.8967 (pause 0.41) 2648.3117 1956 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2648.3117 I'm not in a space to be there. 2650.2142 1957 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2650.2142 (pause 0.46) 2650.6747 1958 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2650.6747 Maybe I will one day, 2652.0922 1959 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2652.0922 (pause 0.34) 2652.4326 1960 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2652.4326 maybe I'll put myself in a position that I can make those types of decisions, 2655.9962 1961 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2655.9962 (pause 0.25) 2656.2432 1962 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2656.2432 but in my current space, I don't feel like I can do those types of things. Um, but I'm- 2661.1142 1963 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2661.1142 (pause 0.35) 2661.4640 1964 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2661.4640 I'm proud of the folks who are involved in activism and 2664.6937 1965 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2664.6937 (pause 0.47) 2665.1600 1966 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2665.1600 who are making noise. And, 2667.2223 1967 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2667.2223 (pause 0.42) 2667.6457 1968 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2667.6457 um, 2668.1163 1969 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2668.1163 (pause 1.22) 2669.3321 1970 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2669.3321 It- you know. There's not a perfect way to do it. 2671.8037 1971 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2671.8037 (pause 0.20) 2672.0015 1972 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2672.0015 People 2672.7221 1973 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2672.7221 (pause 0.26) 2672.9785 1974 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2672.9785 have criticisms for everybody who does anything. Anybody 2675.8824 1975 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2675.8824 (pause 0.51) 2676.3906 1976 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2676.3906 protesting peacefully, take a knee. You know, 2679.6313 1977 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2679.6313 (pause 0.48) 2680.1105 1978 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2680.1105 whatever it might be, 2681.6679 1979 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2681.6679 (pause 1.42) 2683.0854 1980 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2683.0854 we have folks who are taking a stand and saying, listen, 2686.5779 1981 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2686.5779 (pause 0.67) 2687.2482 1982 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2687.2482 this isn't right, we need to do something. And we're not ne- making a lot of progress. 2690.9739 1983 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2690.9739 (pause 0.54) 2691.5101 1984 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2691.5101 But were- but they're trudging. They're trudging along and- and so, I'm pr- very proud of the local activism that I'm seeing. 2697.8878 1985 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2697.8878 (pause 0.29) 2698.1757 1986 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2698.1757 Rochester, I've seen it in 2699.4008 1987 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2699.4008 (pause 0.19) 2699.5929 1988 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2699.5929 Buffalo, I've seen it in Syracuse. 2701.2999 1989 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2701.2999 (pause 0.55) 2701.8454 1990 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2701.8454 Um, I have a lot of folks in my friend network who are pretty passionate about, 2706.5072 1991 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2706.5072 (pause 0.63) 2707.1414 1992 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2707.1414 um, human rights issues, (laughing) 2708.8200 1993 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2708.8200 (pause 0.55) 2709.3702 1994 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2709.3702 black issues, um, both white and black and Latino. You know, so, 2714.5915 1995 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2714.5915 (pause 0.44) 2715.0345 1996 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2715.0345 I see that, 2715.8088 1997 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2715.8088 (pause 0.16) 2715.9695 1998 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2715.9695 um, 2716.4660 1999 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2716.4660 (pause 0.45) 2716.9125 2000 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2716.9125 2716.9871 2001 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2716.9871 (pause 0.58) 2717.5700 2002 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2717.5700 I see, uh, a lot of investment in Rochester. It looks like we're growing. 2720.9386 2003 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2720.9386 (pause 0.16) 2721.0994 2004 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2721.0994 Besides the gentrification, I- I see 2723.7069 2005 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2723.7069 (pause 0.37) 2724.0784 2006 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2724.0784 a lot of, uh, 2725.1740 2007 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2725.1740 (pause 1.28) 2726.4563 2008 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2726.4563 2726.5356 2009 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2726.5356 (pause 0.07) 2726.6102 2010 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2726.6102 infrastructure change. Like investment in the city. 2729.7332 2011 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2729.7332 (pause 0.51) 2730.2461 2012 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2730.2461 Um, a lot of housing being built for folks to move downtown. And- and, uh, 2735.0196 2013 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2735.0196 (pause 0.55) 2735.5700 2014 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2735.5700 Cause I don't think we've done a great job of retaining our college talent. 2739.1837 2015 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2739.1837 (pause 0.26) 2739.4402 2016 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2739.4402 [Um,] 2739.9204 2017 ROC_int_01 2739.4495 [Mm-hm.] 2739.9484 2018 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2740.3821 yeah, 2740.6152 2019 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2740.6152 (pause 0.44) 2741.0570 2020 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2741.0570 see? 2741.4347 2021 ROC_int_01 2741.7052 [] 2742.9269 2022 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2741.9896 [We lost you.] Not that uh, you'd trade, uh, U of R for Stanford, but uh, 2747.2181 2023 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2747.6202 um, I do see an investment, 2749.6122 2024 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2749.6122 (pause 0.26) 2749.8749 2025 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2749.8749 um, 2750.5122 2026 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2750.5122 (pause 0.50) 2751.0158 2027 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2751.0158 in, 2751.5521 2028 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2751.5521 (pause 0.74) 2752.2935 2029 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2752.2935 uh, getting some of the, 2754.2982 2030 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2754.2982 (pause 0.25) 2754.5452 2031 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2754.5452 um, 2755.1274 2032 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2755.1274 (pause 0.45) 2755.5750 2033 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2755.5750 college students to stay. 2757.0077 2034 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2757.0077 (pause 0.13) 2757.1410 2035 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2757.1410 I think- I think that's what the investment is really intended for. 2759.8124 2036 ROC_int_01 2759.8824 Mm-hm. 2760.4512 2037 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2760.4466 2761.2719 2038 ROC_int_01 2761.8874 Yeah. 2762.3211 2039 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2762.4516 Yeah. 2762.7501 2040 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2762.7501 (pause 0.34) 2763.0904 2041 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2763.0904 [So.] 2763.4960 2042 ROC_int_01 2763.2303 [Like a] brain drain, they call it. 2765.0196 2043 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2765.1304 [Yes.] 2765.6573 2044 ROC_int_01 2765.1444 [Or some] people [call it- yeah.] [] 2767.7330 2045 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2766.2775 Yes. 2766.5619 2046 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2766.5619 (pause 0.14) 2766.7018 2047 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2766.7018 [Yes, yes.] 2767.6950 2048 ROC_int_01 2768.2516 [Okay] cool, um, 2769.8901 2049 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2768.4725 [] 2768.8176 2050 ROC_int_01 2770.2724 my last couple questions are more so geared toward language [and] um, 2774.8811 2051 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2773.7603 [Mm-hm.] 2774.0447 2052 ROC_int_01 2775.1791 Rochester. So, 2776.4589 2053 ROC_int_01 2776.4589 (pause 0.37) 2776.8320 2054 ROC_int_01 2776.8320 have you ever been told, uh, that you sound like you have an accent? 2780.9995 2055 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2781.0974 Yes. 2781.4284 2056 ROC_int_01 2781.9320 And how have people described it? 2784.1096 2057 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2784.5060 2784.5479 2058 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2784.5479 (pause 0.07) 2784.6225 2059 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2784.6225 I've been told there is a Rochester accent, 2786.9855 2060 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2786.9855 (pause 0.38) 2787.3632 2061 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2787.3632 that we over-pronunciate things. 2789.0931 2062 ROC_int_01 2789.2563 Really? [Okay.] 2790.3847 2063 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2789.7832 [Yes], that we over-pronunciate things. Um, 2792.7710 2064 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2793.0368 that it's a little extra proper. Something like that, [so.] 2796.1749 2065 ROC_int_01 2795.6806 [Mm-hm.] 2796.2169 2066 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2796.7344 And obviously we have our own special words. So, 2799.1114 2067 ROC_int_01 2799.5264 Right. 2799.9693 2068 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2799.9693 [] 2801.8531 2069 ROC_int_01 2800.2666 [] 2801.4030 2070 ROC_int_01 2802.0443 Right. 2802.4127 2071 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2802.4267 Yes. 2802.9769 2072 ROC_int_01 2802.9816 And so, um, 2804.5798 2073 ROC_int_01 2804.5798 (pause 1.02) 2805.5963 2074 ROC_int_01 2805.5963 who has told you? Like where are these people from that have told you [that?] 2809.4432 2075 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2809.3546 [] 2809.4245 2076 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2809.6157 I think, um, folks in Boston have told me that, cause I've played, uh, sports in the Boston area. 2814.5806 2077 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2814.5806 (pause 0.57) 2815.1494 2078 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2815.1494 Um, 2816.0587 2079 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2816.0587 (pause 0.58) 2816.6357 2080 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2816.6357 New York, 2817.2885 2081 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2817.2885 (pause 0.52) 2817.8108 2082 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2817.8108 um, 2818.5895 2083 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2818.5895 (pause 1.20) 2819.7925 2084 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2819.7925 2819.9138 2085 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2819.9138 (pause 0.08) 2819.9930 2086 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2819.9930 who else have- has told me, uh, 2821.5738 2087 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2821.5738 (pause 2.87) 2824.4403 2088 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2824.4403 I can't remember. 2825.4521 2089 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2825.4521 (pause 0.35) 2825.8065 2090 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2825.8065 But I've- I've- I've played sports in all of the- 2827.7537 2091 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2827.7537 (pause 0.20) 2827.9576 2092 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2827.9576 all 2828.5611 2093 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2828.5611 (pause 0.48) 2829.0367 2094 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2829.0367 different places. So, 2830.3983 2095 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2830.3983 (pause 0.59) 2830.9905 2096 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2830.9905 um, I've heard it m- multiple times, that we have an accent in this area. 2835.0951 2097 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2835.0951 (pause 0.21) 2835.3029 2098 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2835.3029 [So], yeah. 2836.4146 2099 ROC_int_01 2835.3258 [Mm-hm.] 2835.9274 2100 ROC_int_01 2836.6594 Okay. [And] do you perceive, maybe, not just in Rochester, but kind of, Upstate New York in general for people to 2843.9114 2101 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2837.2574 [] 2837.6118 2102 ROC_int_01 2844.2040 speak in a certain way that's different maybe, 2846.8565 2103 ROC_int_01 2846.8565 (pause 0.24) 2847.0957 2104 ROC_int_01 2847.0957 from the way you would say things or- 2848.9881 2105 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2849.6211 Oh I- I think, um, Rochester's a little different from- I think it's just- I- I don't think our accents are different 2855.7902 2106 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2855.7902 (pause 0.32) 2856.1061 2107 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2856.1061 around here. In Upstate New York, or Western New York. I think 2859.5566 2108 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2859.5566 (pause 0.51) 2860.0695 2109 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2860.0695 just our- our usage of words is a little different. You know, like, we say pop here and 2864.6491 2110 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2864.6491 (pause 0.34) 2864.9859 2111 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2864.9859 Syracuse they don't say pop. Um, I don't know if- yep I think Buffalo does. 2868.8288 2112 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2868.8288 (pause 0.54) 2869.3697 2113 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2869.3697 Um, 2870.0832 2114 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2870.0832 (pause 0.49) 2870.5728 2115 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2870.5728 2870.6707 2116 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2870.6707 (pause 0.70) 2871.3748 2117 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2871.3748 the- what- did- uh, 2872.3820 2118 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2872.3820 (pause 0.79) 2873.1747 2119 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2873.1747 thruway versus interstate. You probably hear interstate on your side of the- 2877.0064 2120 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2877.0064 (pause 0.48) 2877.4913 2121 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2877.4913 [] 2878.8669 2122 ROC_int_01 2878.3726 [Mm], Yes. [] 2879.9102 2123 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2879.4591 [Um], versus thruway versus, uh, let's see, um, 2883.5426 2124 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2884.8016 um, 2885.3705 2125 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2885.3705 (pause 1.15) 2886.5211 2126 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2886.5211 cause I worked- I mean ca- because I w- 2888.0148 2127 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2888.0148 (pause 0.16) 2888.1755 2128 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2888.1755 played in New York and, uh, Boston. I think in New York they say bubbler. 2892.2518 2129 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2892.2518 (pause 0.82) 2893.0760 2130 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2893.0760 For a water 2893.9339 2131 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2893.9339 (pause 0.55) 2894.4842 2132 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2894.4842 drink, 2894.9131 2133 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2894.9131 (pause 0.21) 2895.1276 2134 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2895.1276 uh, for a water, uh, 2896.4612 2135 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2896.4612 (pause 0.84) 2897.3062 2136 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2897.3062 2897.3472 2137 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2897.3472 (pause 0.04) 2897.3880 2138 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2897.3880 a fountain. 2897.9009 2139 ROC_int_01 2898.1201 Mm-hm. 2898.4371 2140 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2898.4465 A bubbler. 2898.9594 2141 ROC_int_01 2899.8127 Wow, I don't know anything [about that] 2901.2722 2142 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2900.6380 [] 2901.2862 2143 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2901.3981 A lot of people don't say so- don't say- well 2903.6689 2144 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2903.6689 (pause 0.26) 2903.9289 2145 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2903.9289 I think hoagies is a- 2905.4630 2146 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2905.4630 (pause 0.69) 2906.1484 2147 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2906.1484 our region. 2907.3305 2148 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2907.3305 (pause 0.15) 2907.4756 2149 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2907.4756 People are like, what the heck is a hoagie? [] 2911.0153 2150 ROC_int_01 2909.5244 [] 2911.0153 2151 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2911.5702 Um, 2912.4033 2152 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2912.4033 (pause 0.15) 2912.5483 2153 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2912.5483 2913.0998 2154 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2913.0998 (pause 0.36) 2913.4580 2155 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2913.4580 so what else. 2914.2094 2156 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2914.2094 (pause 0.61) 2914.8156 2157 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2914.8156 We- we've had these discussions again because I've b- been in New York and been in, uh, 2918.7033 2158 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2918.7033 (pause 0.30) 2919.0064 2159 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2919.0064 Boston and- and they say different things than we do. 2921.8368 2160 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2921.8368 (pause 0.67) 2922.5071 2161 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2922.5071 Um, 2923.0527 2162 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2923.0527 (pause 1.36) 2924.4096 2163 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2924.4096 2924.4888 2164 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2924.4888 (pause 0.10) 2924.5867 2165 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2924.5867 What do they call their subs 2926.0602 2166 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2926.0602 (pause 1.37) 2927.4265 2167 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2927.4265 [in Boston?] 2928.1259 2168 ROC_int_01 2927.7668 [Hero?] 2928.3684 2169 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2928.6050 [Mm.] 2929.4723 2170 ROC_int_01 2929.0527 [No], not- 2929.8733 2171 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2929.8826 That's New York. 2930.6240 2172 ROC_int_01 2930.6334 New York, yeah. 2931.4680 2173 ROC_int_01 2931.4680 (pause 0.69) 2932.1581 2174 ROC_int_01 2932.1581 it's what my dad calls- (laughing) he's from New York 2934.1072 2175 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2934.1061 Uh, 2934.9780 2176 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2935.5611 if I think of it- 2936.3491 2177 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2936.3491 (pause 0.80) 2937.1465 2178 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2937.1465 if you said it, I would know it. It's- it's completely different. 2940.0748 2179 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2940.0748 (pause 1.17) 2941.2487 2180 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2941.2487 [ Their liquor stores] too. They don't say liquor store. Um, 2945.0629 2181 ROC_int_01 2941.2580 [/Yeah, think I've heard that/.] 2942.6615 2182 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2945.9582 package stores. 2947.0213 2183 ROC_int_01 2947.8409 Wow, [/oh, yeah/.] 2949.2537 2184 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2948.3398 [Yeah, they're called package] stores. 2949.9718 2185 ROC_int_01 2950.1397 That's [cool.] 2950.8251 2186 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2950.4288 [Nobody] says liquor store, it's package store. 2952.3825 2187 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2952.5411 [So.] 2952.9001 2188 ROC_int_01 2952.5644 [Mm-hm.] 2952.9187 2189 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2953.0959 [] 2953.8560 2190 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2953.8560 (pause 0.48) 2954.3398 2191 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2954.3398 If you want some alcohol in the Boston area you ask for a package store. 2957.2634 2192 ROC_int_01 2957.3474 Okay. 2957.8136 2193 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2957.9675 [] 2961.6081 2194 ROC_int_01 2959.4135 [Put that down in the notes. ] 2961.6051 2195 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2962.4386 So, um. 2963.7535 2196 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2963.7535 (pause 0.58) 2964.3364 2197 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2964.3364 Yeah, just- just our words are different, but I think we pretty much 2967.4932 2198 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2967.4932 (pause 0.41) 2967.8989 2199 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2967.8989 have the same accents around here. 2969.6276 2200 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2969.6276 (pause 0.31) 2969.9354 2201 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2969.9354 [Um.] 2970.5323 2202 ROC_int_01 2969.9447 [Yeah.] 2970.5323 2203 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2971.1897 You know, 2971.7633 2204 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2971.7633 (pause 0.27) 2972.0337 2205 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2972.0337 generally, 2972.6492 2206 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2972.6492 (pause 0.78) 2973.4326 2207 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2973.4326 you know, if you're talking inner city accent versus, you know (laughing), suburban accent 2977.4975 2208 ROC_int_01 2977.7633 [well of those] I- do you think there's one or- 2980.8967 2209 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2977.7726 [that's a little different.] 2978.6632 2210 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2978.6632 (pause 2.07) 2980.7382 2211 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2980.7382 2980.8175 2212 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2981.1893 Um, I don't think it's an accent. I think it's more, um, 2983.8752 2213 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2983.8752 (pause 1.02) 2984.8963 2214 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2984.8963 um, what's the right- 2986.2766 2215 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2986.2766 (pause 1.16) 2987.4318 2216 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2987.4318 I- we call it code switching. 2988.9193 2217 ROC_int_01 2989.1011 Mm. 2989.4462 2218 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2989.4602 Um, 2989.9731 2219 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2989.9731 (pause 0.78) 2990.7565 2220 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2990.7565 my wife points it out. She says, 2992.3092 2221 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2992.3092 (pause 0.21) 2992.5237 2222 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2992.5237 o- w- as soon as I get on the phone with my family, or she said we can be driving to their house, 2997.1388 2223 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2997.1388 (pause 0.53) 2997.6704 2224 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2997.6704 and my- my language changes. 2999.7442 2225 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 2999.7442 (pause 0.29) 3000.0380 2226 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3000.0380 And without even thinking about it, and she's like, 3002.5000 2227 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3002.5000 (pause 0.67) 3003.1715 2228 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3003.1715 it happens automatically. Cause I don't pay attention to it. 3006.1219 2229 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3006.1219 (pause 0.53) 3006.6488 2230 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3006.6488 Um, but the way I speak changes when I'm around, 3010.2556 2231 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3010.2556 (pause 0.18) 3010.4320 2232 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3010.4320 um, my family, or predominantly around people of color. 3013.6234 2233 ROC_int_01 3013.7026 Mm-hm. 3014.3321 2234 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3014.4534 So, 3015.1100 2235 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3015.1100 (pause 0.24) 3015.3492 2236 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3015.3492 um. 3016.0014 2237 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3016.0014 (pause 0.62) 3016.6205 2238 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3016.6205 It's without even thinking about it though, 3018.3664 2239 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3018.3664 (pause 0.20) 3018.5615 2240 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3018.5615 [so.] 3019.2270 2241 ROC_int_01 3018.7094 [Mm.] 3019.2177 2242 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3019.9078 So, 3020.4254 2243 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3020.4254 (pause 0.38) 3020.8031 2244 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3020.8031 it's not an accent, it's more- 3022.3092 2245 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3022.3092 (pause 1.26) 3023.5670 2246 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3023.5670 I don't even like to call it like, 3026.3088 2247 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3026.3088 (pause 0.32) 3026.6259 2248 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3026.6259 what's the right language. It's just the language that I grew up with. 3030.1639 2249 ROC_int_01 3030.3271 [Yeah.] 3030.7001 2250 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3030.3317 [It's the] culturual language I grew up with, [so.] 3033.0829 2251 ROC_int_01 3032.5653 [Mm-hm.] 3033.0829 2252 ROC_int_01 3033.6657 [Yeah], 3033.9069 2253 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3033.6844 [] 3034.3652 2254 ROC_int_01 3034.3445 maybe, uh, your dialect? 3036.1126 2255 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3036.0939 Yes. 3036.7421 2256 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3036.8353 And I- And I love 3037.9451 2257 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3037.9451 (pause 0.41) 3038.3508 2258 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3038.3508 being able to have that dialect. I love 3040.9189 2259 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3040.9189 (pause 0.45) 3041.3665 2260 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3041.3665 being able to communicate differently with the folks I grew up with. 3045.9977 2261 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3045.9977 (pause 0.39) 3046.3899 2262 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3046.3899 Um, versus the first- folks I work with, you know, so. 3049.4835 2263 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3049.4835 (pause 0.32) 3049.8052 2264 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3049.8052 And I think I'm somewhere in the middle. 3051.2787 2265 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3051.2787 (pause 0.62) 3051.8942 2266 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3051.8942 Like, 3052.1460 2267 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3052.1460 (pause 0.39) 3052.5330 2268 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3052.5330 some of this is my natural and some of this is my natural. 3055.5068 2269 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3055.5068 (pause 0.47) 3055.9731 2270 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3055.9731 Um, so it's easy for me to flex between the two. 3059.0133 2271 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3059.0133 (pause 0.50) 3059.5157 2272 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3059.5157 Um, and in my most comfortable space, I think it's somewhere in the middle, 3063.0802 2273 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3063.0802 (pause 0.20) 3063.2762 2274 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3063.2762 you know. 3063.7357 2275 ROC_int_01 3063.9641 Yeah. 3064.3558 2276 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3064.3512 So. 3064.6916 2277 ROC_int_01 3065.2033 [Okay, cool.] 3066.3317 2278 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3065.6495 [] 3066.6563 2279 ROC_int_01 3066.6563 So those are actually all the questions I have. [And if] you have any last thoughts about Rochester, or 3072.9706 2280 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3069.0456 [Oh.] 3069.3207 2281 ROC_int_01 3074.9476 anything we've talked about, you know, 3076.8532 2282 ROC_int_01 3076.8532 (pause 0.17) 3077.0257 2283 ROC_int_01 3077.0257 feel free to share them. 3078.0660 2284 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3078.5602 3078.6162 2285 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3078.6162 (pause 0.005) 3078.6208 2286 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3078.6208 I don't think I have anything. 3079.8099 2287 ROC_int_01 3079.9824 Good? 3080.2695 2288 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3080.2575 [Yeah.] 3080.5699 2289 ROC_int_01 3080.3753 [Okay.] 3080.7751 2290 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3080.7938 Yeah. 3081.1202 2291 ROC_int_01 3081.1341 Um, and do you still consent to me using this interview for research purposes? 3085.4562 2292 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3085.4795 I do. 3086.0017 2293 ROC_int_01 3086.0204 Okay, [great.] 3086.7665 2294 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3086.4867 [I] do. 3087.0089 2295 ROC_int_01 3087.0369 [Thank you, appreciate it.] 3088.4171 2296 ROC_se0_ag2_f_03 3087.1954 [] 3088.1607