Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 ROC_int_01 0.5174 The questions are pretty open ende- 2.5975 2 ROC_int_01 2.5975 (pause 0.28) 2.8790 3 ROC_int_01 2.8790 uh, feel free, you know, if you wanna go off on tangents, tell a story, [that's fine.] 7.0235 4 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 6.4609 [Okay, okay.] 7.2031 5 ROC_int_01 7.4159 No right or wrong answers [here, just] 9.6199 6 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 8.7796 [Okay, okay.] 9.6542 7 ROC_int_01 10.0093 your perspective. 10.8886 8 ROC_int_01 10.8886 (pause 0.31) 11.1987 9 ROC_int_01 11.1987 Um, if you see me 12.1726 10 ROC_int_01 12.1726 (pause 0.18) 12.3569 11 ROC_int_01 12.3569 peek down, you don't have to stop talking. It's just me making sure that, 15.4629 12 ROC_int_01 15.4629 (pause 0.41) 15.8750 13 ROC_int_01 15.8750 um, 16.3619 14 ROC_int_01 16.3619 (pause 0.54) 16.9009 15 ROC_int_01 16.9009 my- 17.6762 16 ROC_int_01 17.6762 (pause 0.36) 18.0355 17 ROC_int_01 18.0355 sorry, 18.3617 18 ROC_int_01 18.3617 (pause 0.18) 18.5380 19 ROC_int_01 18.5380 /the wrong thing out-/ 19.2376 20 ROC_int_01 19.2376 (pause 0.46) 19.6995 21 ROC_int_01 19.6995 just making sure that my, um, 21.4061 22 ROC_int_01 21.4061 (pause 0.45) 21.8519 23 ROC_int_01 21.8519 recorder is [still] 22.7226 24 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 22.6281 [Okay.] 22.8550 25 ROC_int_01 23.1041 going, the tape is still going. So, 24.7446 26 ROC_int_01 24.7446 (pause 0.31) 25.0519 27 ROC_int_01 25.0519 okay, great. 26.0068 28 ROC_int_01 26.0068 (pause 0.43) 26.4417 29 ROC_int_01 26.4417 Um, so I usually start off with questions about, 29.4303 30 ROC_int_01 29.4303 (pause 0.20) 29.6336 31 ROC_int_01 29.6336 um, 30.1944 32 ROC_int_01 30.1944 (pause 0.08) 30.2724 33 ROC_int_01 30.2724 where you grow up- grew up in Rochester [or what] 32.7585 34 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 32.3377 [Okay.] 32.6072 35 ROC_int_01 32.9476 neighborhood were you born in. 34.1161 36 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 34.3336 Okay. 34.6645 37 ROC_int_01 34.7401 So, um, yeah. Where'd you grow up? 36.4846 38 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 36.6689 Oh, okay. I was like, [oh. ] 38.0777 39 ROC_int_01 37.2788 [] 38.4323 40 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 38.4748 I grew up in, um, 40.2154 41 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 40.2154 (pause 0.20) 40.4187 42 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 40.4187 well, 40.9765 43 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 40.9765 (pause 0.33) 41.3074 44 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 41.3074 it's northeast Rochester 42.6453 45 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 42.6453 (pause 0.45) 43.0991 46 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 43.0991 and the area actually has been, um, 45.5366 47 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 45.5366 (pause 0.19) 45.7257 48 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 45.7257 knocked down 46.4510 49 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 46.4510 (pause 0.07) 46.5230 50 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 46.5230 and, 47.0998 51 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 47.0998 (pause 0.11) 47.2085 52 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 47.2085 um, school has been put there. 48.5805 53 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 48.5805 (pause 0.35) 48.9351 54 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 48.9351 So right where, um, 51.8330 55 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 51.8330 (pause 0.12) 51.9559 56 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 51.9559 like /RD-ADDRESS-2/, 52.9543 57 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 52.9543 (pause 0.31) 53.2663 58 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 53.2663 /RD-ADDRESS-3/, that [area.] 55.0326 59 ROC_int_01 55.0184 [Mm-hm.] 55.5260 60 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 56.1264 So yeah, we- /RD-SCHOOL-2/, uh, what is it, /RD-SCHOOL-4/? 59.0385 61 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 59.0385 (pause 0.66) 59.7012 62 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 59.7012 When I was eighteen, they tore all the houses down in that neighborhood and put /RD-SCHOOL-4/ there. 63.3366 63 ROC_int_01 63.5352 Oh, [wow.] 64.3719 64 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 64.3058 [Right.] 65.0054 65 ROC_int_01 64.6320 [I-] 64.8163 66 ROC_int_01 65.1670 wow. 65.6539 67 ROC_int_01 65.6539 (pause 0.15) 65.8005 68 ROC_int_01 65.8005 [] 66.4056 69 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 65.9990 [ Right.] Razed the whole neighborhood. 68.4573 70 ROC_int_01 68.7315 That's crazy. 69.6203 71 ROC_int_01 69.6203 (pause 0.40) 70.0154 72 ROC_int_01 70.0154 A whole neighborhood. Okay, and what was y- 72.1578 73 ROC_int_01 72.1578 (pause 0.08) 72.2405 74 ROC_int_01 72.2405 uh, the neighborhood like when you were coming up? 74.5972 75 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 75.0510 It was uh, a inner city working class neighborhood. All the neighbors on my street owned houses. The- the n- the woman who owned the corner store was our next door neighbor. 83.5221 76 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 83.5221 (pause 0.40) 83.9239 77 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 83.9239 My grandmother had lived there for 85.7921 78 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 85.7921 (pause 0.33) 86.1264 79 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 86.1264 decades. It was her first home in the city after moving 89.9045 80 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 89.9045 (pause 0.38) 90.2827 81 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 90.2827 from, um, /RD-ADDRESS-3/ Houses. 92.4100 82 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 92.4100 (pause 0.47) 92.8824 83 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 92.8824 And so, we had a very very close-knit neighborhood. There was like a 95.9045 84 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 95.9045 (pause 0.25) 96.1503 85 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 96.1503 /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street area where 98.1158 86 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 98.1158 (pause 0.16) 98.2718 87 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 98.2718 I still have those same friends today. 100.1497 88 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 100.1497 (pause 0.44) 100.5940 89 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 100.5940 And it was one of those old school neighborhoods people talk about where 103.3388 90 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 103.3388 (pause 0.08) 103.4179 91 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 103.4179 d- every person on the street had the right to discipline you, and I wasn't 106.1413 92 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 106.1413 (pause 0.08) 106.2205 93 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 106.2205 a bad child, so 107.0945 94 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 107.0945 (pause 0.35) 107.4443 95 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 107.4443 they never had to discipline me. (laughing) What, like everybody, we all, you know, fictive kinship, so we're all cousins. 112.3672 96 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 112.3672 (pause 0.54) 112.9117 97 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 112.9117 And, um, it just- I've really a lot of fond memories about, 116.9726 98 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 116.9726 (pause 0.41) 117.3839 99 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 117.3839 you know, we had crime of course, and we had, you know, drug usage 120.6278 100 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 120.6278 (pause 0.45) 121.0781 101 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 121.0781 and, um- 122.3049 102 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 122.3049 (pause 0.66) 122.9679 103 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 122.9679 but everyone in the neighborhood really stuck together, and it was a- a code 126.9965 104 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 126.9965 (pause 0.52) 127.5118 105 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 127.5118 that 127.8581 106 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 127.8581 (pause 0.11) 127.9692 107 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 127.9692 people 128.4301 108 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 128.4301 (pause 0.11) 128.5389 109 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 128.5389 you know, in this particular area, so there was not like, oh it's somebody robbing a house in the neighborhood that they lived in, 133.6367 110 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 133.6367 (pause 0.50) 134.1386 111 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 134.1386 you know an outsider would maybe have come in, or maybe a relative who was on drugs 137.4526 112 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 137.4526 (pause 0.35) 137.8071 113 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 137.8071 may have taken something. But it was really, uh, a place where people 140.9848 114 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 140.9848 (pause 0.26) 141.2449 115 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 141.2449 know, worked at Rochester Products and Kodak and they owned, 144.2279 116 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 144.2279 (pause 0.43) 144.6534 117 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 144.6534 um, houses in- in this- in that area but they owned other houses in the city, and, um, 149.2777 118 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 149.2777 (pause 0.18) 149.4573 119 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 149.4573 yeah, so it was a really, really good neighborhood. 151.7360 120 ROC_int_01 152.2379 Yeah. 152.6681 121 ROC_int_01 152.6681 (pause 0.63) 153.3016 122 ROC_int_01 153.3016 Okay, cool. 154.3794 123 ROC_int_01 154.3794 (pause 0.40) 154.7766 124 ROC_int_01 154.7766 And what schools did you go to? 156.8661 125 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 157.2754 Well, I didn't go to the neighborhood schools. I went to- my grandmother raised me, and she, uh, 161.7437 126 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 161.7437 (pause 0.07) 161.8162 127 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 161.8162 worked at /RD-WORK-3/ School and the /RD-WORK-1/ hel- High School for a while. So she put me in, uh, /RD-SCHOOL-2/ day care. 166.5752 128 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 166.5752 (pause 0.53) 167.1055 129 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 167.1055 And, um, so I went to, uh, /RD-SCHOOL-3/ School 171.0010 130 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 171.0010 (pause 0.28) 171.2815 131 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 171.2815 cause that was one of the three schools that they, 172.6731 132 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 172.6731 (pause 0.18) 172.8504 133 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 172.8504 uh, transport to, /RD-SCHOOL-3/, Forty-Six, and Twenty-Eight. 175.3341 134 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 175.3341 (pause 0.50) 175.8313 135 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 175.8313 And then I went to, when I got to fourth grade, 178.8711 136 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 178.8711 (pause 0.50) 179.3675 137 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 179.3675 they put me in the /RD-SCHOOL-5/ program, so then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ School 182.2615 138 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 182.2615 (pause 0.18) 182.4412 139 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 182.4412 and- for elementary. So /RD-SCHOOL-3/ and /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 184.3700 140 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 184.3700 (pause 0.35) 184.7151 141 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 184.7151 And then for seven through twelfth I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 186.4595 142 ROC_int_01 186.8897 Okay. 187.4248 143 ROC_int_01 187.4248 (pause 0.11) 187.5382 144 ROC_int_01 187.5382 And, uh, 188.5296 145 ROC_int_01 188.5296 (pause 0.30) 188.8322 146 ROC_int_01 188.8322 maybe we can zoom in on the high school experience. [How was] /RD-SCHOOL-2/ for you? 192.5622 147 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 191.2229 [Okay.] 191.5515 148 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 193.2977 Well, you know, the class of- of- of- of nineteen ninety was probably the best last graduat- no (laughing) 198.3002 149 ROC_int_01 198.5866 [] 199.3761 150 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 198.6528 [g-] 198.8703 151 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 199.3871 graduating class a- you know, from /RD-SCHOOL-2/. But it was really, 202.4120 152 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 202.4120 (pause 0.11) 202.5207 153 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 202.5207 like I s- we all- 203.5802 154 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 203.5802 (pause 0.43) 204.0057 155 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 204.0057 many of us went to that high school from seventh to twelfth grade, and I believe when we got to ninth grade, 208.6111 156 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 208.6111 (pause 0.38) 208.9893 157 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 208.9893 there was, um, 210.0624 158 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 210.0624 (pause 0.38) 210.4406 159 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 210.4406 sort of, 210.9181 160 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 210.9181 (pause 0.46) 211.3767 161 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 211.3767 uh, a 211.8683 162 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 211.8683 (pause 0.56) 212.4270 163 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 212.4270 reorganization of the city prop- 214.1129 164 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 214.1129 (pause 0.09) 214.2004 165 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 214.2004 uh, the city schools, and /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was threatened to be closed down 217.0930 166 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 217.0930 (pause 0.46) 217.5563 167 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 217.5563 as a high school. 219.0888 168 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 219.0888 (pause 0.08) 219.1708 169 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 219.1708 But they ended up making- I think Charlotte became 221.4951 170 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 221.4951 (pause 0.37) 221.8686 171 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 221.8686 the middle school, and then we stayed the high school. So I had the same classmates pretty much from seven through twelfth grade, and 227.3060 172 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 227.3060 (pause 0.41) 227.7173 173 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 227.7173 again, just really, um, I'm still in contact with 230.3884 174 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 230.3884 (pause 0.07) 230.4617 175 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 230.4617 you- several people 231.3678 176 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 231.3678 (pause 0.34) 231.7068 177 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 231.7068 from that time. And just 233.3046 178 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 233.3046 (pause 0.30) 233.6025 179 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 233.6025 I have very fond memories about my high school experience. Very, um, 238.1133 180 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 238.1133 (pause 1.00) 239.1155 181 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 239.1155 just, it was a s- very special time in my life, and I was a- 242.2602 182 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 242.2602 (pause 0.16) 242.4209 183 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 242.4209 able to 243.0449 184 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 243.0449 (pause 0.29) 243.3380 185 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 243.3380 interact with a lot of de- different people. 245.1439 186 ROC_int_01 245.3370 Mm-hm. 245.9043 187 ROC_int_01 245.9043 (pause 0.19) 246.0934 188 ROC_int_01 246.0934 And what kinds of like activities were you into? Like did you do sports, or, 250.0991 189 ROC_int_01 250.0991 (pause 0.41) 250.5057 190 ROC_int_01 250.5057 um, you know, like 251.7348 191 ROC_int_01 251.7348 (pause 0.22) 251.9521 192 ROC_int_01 251.9521 any clubs? 252.9242 193 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 253.4336 I was a student aid, and I was always a r- a really good writer, so I did activities around writing. 258.1130 194 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 258.1130 (pause 0.39) 258.5063 195 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 258.5063 But I had a s- 259.2772 196 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 259.2772 (pause 0.09) 259.3706 197 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 259.3706 some trauma at my home, um, 261.2051 198 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 261.2051 (pause 0.14) 261.3457 199 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 261.3457 and so 262.0944 200 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 262.0944 (pause 0.28) 262.3781 201 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 262.3781 once I got to school, 263.6781 202 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 263.6781 (pause 0.13) 263.8056 203 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 263.8056 I would- I still wanted to get back home, 265.5234 204 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 265.5234 (pause 0.43) 265.9576 205 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 265.9576 and I liked being home with my grandmother. 267.7257 206 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 267.7257 (pause 0.45) 268.1748 207 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 268.1748 And, as appealing as after school and extracurricular activities were, I wanted to be around my grandma, and come back home. So I've always been a home body. 275.2195 208 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 275.2195 (pause 0.56) 275.7802 209 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 275.7802 But, being involved in just 277.3087 210 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 277.3087 (pause 0.13) 277.4364 211 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 277.4364 certain special projects during the time of school, 279.9100 212 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 279.9100 (pause 0.40) 280.3119 213 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 280.3119 but never did sports, never really was interested in that. But always interested- like, I've always been a book worm 285.1962 214 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 285.1962 (pause 0.47) 285.6689 215 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 285.6689 and so- and I've always been 286.6948 216 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 286.6948 (pause 0.24) 286.9359 217 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 286.9359 really, you know, centered around my house. I wanted to go home and be home with my grandma. 291.1064 218 ROC_int_01 292.4017 Yeah. 292.7657 219 ROC_int_01 292.7657 (pause 0.34) 293.1041 220 ROC_int_01 293.1041 So what made your grandmother, um, did she- 295.8744 221 ROC_int_01 295.8744 (pause 0.19) 296.0683 222 ROC_int_01 296.0683 was she born in Rochester, or did she migrate here from 298.8619 223 ROC_int_01 298.8619 (pause 0.10) 298.9635 224 ROC_int_01 298.9635 somewhere [else?] 299.6513 225 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 299.6106 [Yes.] My grandmother migrated here from, uh, 302.3187 226 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 302.3777 Florida and Georgia. We always go back /if I'm like/, Grandma what day, which one you came from really? 305.7727 227 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 305.7727 (pause 0.41) 306.1848 228 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 306.1848 And so, she went to- um, she was born in Georgia, spent some time in Florida, 310.4442 229 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 310.4442 (pause 0.43) 310.8744 230 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 310.8744 probably go- went back to Georgia, then went to New Jersey with her husband 313.8678 231 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 313.8678 (pause 0.37) 314.2365 232 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 314.2365 when she was in her late teens. And then she came up here 316.6286 233 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 316.6286 (pause 0.58) 317.2046 234 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 317.2046 and, um, 318.4007 235 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 318.4007 (pause 0.26) 318.6559 236 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 318.6559 so 318.9750 237 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 318.9750 (pause 0.17) 319.1476 238 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 319.1476 I- my mother was her fifth child- is her fifth child, 321.8514 239 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 321.8514 (pause 0.47) 322.3241 240 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 322.3241 and she had custody of me 324.3333 241 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 324.3333 (pause 0.37) 324.7020 242 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 324.7020 and several of my cousins and stuff. So she was always just like- 327.5519 243 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 327.5519 (pause 0.10) 327.6536 244 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 327.6536 is 327.9620 245 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 327.9620 (pause 0.17) 328.1275 246 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 328.1275 still the center 329.0494 247 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 329.0494 (pause 0.52) 329.5647 248 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 329.5647 of our- our family structure. But just this- 331.5747 249 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 331.5747 (pause 0.08) 331.6586 250 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 331.6586 this 331.9210 251 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 331.9210 (pause 0.24) 332.1615 252 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 332.1615 absolutely wonderful woman who had these 333.8379 253 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 333.8379 (pause 0.34) 334.1823 254 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 334.1823 strong Southern sensibilities that she passed. I definitely always say that 338.0446 255 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 338.0446 (pause 0.38) 338.4228 256 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 338.4228 I'm a- a- an upstate Southerner. 340.3430 257 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 340.3430 (pause 0.46) 340.8061 258 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 340.8061 [You know, strong] Southern roots. 342.2799 259 ROC_int_01 340.8912 [Mm.] 341.2623 260 ROC_int_01 342.4312 Yeah, I w- I wanted to talk about that a little more. I feel like Rochester is a place where, you know, a lot of black folks, we got [connections to the South.] 350.7035 261 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 349.8664 [Yup.] 350.2446 262 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 350.2446 (pause 0.35) 350.5897 263 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 350.5897 [Yup.] 350.9301 264 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 351.1144 Yup. 351.4028 265 ROC_int_01 351.6723 Um, so 353.0905 266 ROC_int_01 353.0905 (pause 0.20) 353.2919 267 ROC_int_01 353.2919 do you find yourself 354.5852 268 ROC_int_01 354.5852 (pause 0.37) 354.9540 269 ROC_int_01 354.9540 visiting frequently, or- 356.8166 270 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 357.0388 When we were younger. My grandmother's siblings have all passed on. She's eighty-nine. She just turned eighty-nine in, um, 361.9657 271 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 361.9657 (pause 0.44) 362.4100 272 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 362.4100 in July. And so when we were younger we went down south a couple of times. 366.0321 273 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 366.0321 (pause 0.40) 366.4340 274 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 366.4340 And, uh, 367.4965 275 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 367.4965 (pause 0.13) 367.6288 276 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 367.6288 I'm assuming my grandmother probably left something behind there that she wasn't anxious to go back 371.9659 277 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 371.9659 (pause 0.47) 372.4340 278 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 372.4340 and find. And- but she instill- like we have dirt under our fingernails. And we have, 376.7880 279 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 376.7880 (pause 0.42) 377.2095 280 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 377.2095 you know, I've always known how to cook really well, and you know we got up the same as everybody else on Saturdays and did our chores, and 382.4901 281 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 382.4901 (pause 0.33) 382.8172 282 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 382.8172 those are really Southern practices, and being able to 385.4315 283 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 385.4315 (pause 0.32) 385.7529 284 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 385.7529 take care of, uh, different members of the family, and 388.2490 285 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 388.2490 (pause 0.29) 388.5421 286 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 388.5421 just have that intergenerational 390.3031 287 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 390.3031 (pause 0.09) 390.3973 288 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 390.3973 legacy of, 391.5071 289 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 391.5071 (pause 0.21) 391.7198 290 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 391.7198 you know, care taking and- and- and family rituals 394.6036 291 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 394.6036 (pause 0.35) 394.9543 292 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 394.9543 and really just strong, strong 397.4929 293 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 397.4929 (pause 0.36) 397.8522 294 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 397.8522 beliefs that her parents and her granparents instilled in her. 400.8211 295 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 400.8211 (pause 0.54) 401.3561 296 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 401.3561 So yeah. 401.8759 297 ROC_int_01 401.9468 Yeah. And so, do you see yourself, 404.2068 298 ROC_int_01 404.2068 (pause 0.43) 404.6322 299 ROC_int_01 404.6322 uh, maybe moving back down there cause there's also a lot of people who [are migrating] back south. Are you 410.3439 300 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 408.4481 [Right.] 408.8311 301 ROC_int_01 410.9159 thinking [of that, or-] 412.2282 302 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 411.5805 [Um], 412.1714 303 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 412.4031 Southern weather does not appeal to me in that way. If I move anywhere, I wanna go to Toronto. 416.8619 304 ROC_int_01 417.3063 [] 417.6561 305 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 417.4954 [Um], 418.1431 306 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 418.4645 but I do wanna a- we have a lot of family now. My husband's family's from South Carolina, and [they] 422.0874 307 ROC_int_01 421.9007 [Okay.] 422.1796 308 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 422.1938 got strong 423.1172 309 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 423.1172 (pause 0.11) 423.2314 310 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 423.2314 for real /Southe-/ like his mother 424.9231 311 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 424.9231 (pause 0.38) 425.3060 312 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 425.3060 and his father are like first generation. They moved here in their late twenties 428.0413 313 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 428.0413 (pause 0.38) 428.4242 314 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 428.4242 but, um, 429.4879 315 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 429.4879 (pause 0.12) 429.6089 316 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 429.6089 you know, definitely could see myself visiting, probably wouldn't wanna go any, uh, 432.8377 317 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 432.8377 (pause 0.64) 433.4734 318 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 433.4734 any farther than Virginia 434.8907 319 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 434.8907 (pause 0.18) 435.0727 320 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 435.0727 c- weather. I'm not interested in sliding of the side of a- of the land or anything. 439.1370 321 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 439.1370 (pause 0.47) 439.6050 322 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 439.6050 Um, but really I'm interested in South /Cariol-/ 441.7040 323 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 441.7040 (pause 0.12) 441.8234 324 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 441.8234 Sou- South Carolinian culture, 443.3358 325 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 443.3358 (pause 0.46) 443.7944 326 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 443.7944 um, because of my husband's family strong, uh, background. So for my children, 447.6528 327 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 447.6528 (pause 0.38) 448.0310 328 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 448.0310 we've never been to South Carolina. 449.5048 329 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 449.5048 (pause 0.13) 449.6372 330 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 449.6372 Um, 450.2376 331 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 450.2376 (pause 0.24) 450.4739 332 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 450.4739 but I'm really interested in Geechee and Gullah culture, and I- something I 453.3806 333 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 453.3806 (pause 0.27) 453.6500 334 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 453.6500 focus on in my classrooms and, 455.3756 335 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 455.3756 (pause 0.40) 455.7774 336 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 455.7774 um, and my children's, uh, experiences as they've growing up, and I just- 459.6453 337 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 459.6453 (pause 0.24) 459.8864 338 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 459.8864 I really could see myself visiting South Carolina on a more regular basis. 463.5672 339 ROC_int_01 463.7657 Mm. 464.1723 340 ROC_int_01 464.1723 (pause 0.22) 464.3913 341 ROC_int_01 464.3913 And does, uh, your husband like have some of the language [of-] 468.7115 342 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 468.2624 [Oh.] 468.8864 343 ROC_int_01 469.0188 yeah. 469.3166 344 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 469.6787 I tease him 470.3925 345 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 470.3925 (pause 0.15) 470.5391 346 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 470.5391 that he should have, uh, when I first met him, 472.9454 347 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 472.9454 (pause 0.58) 473.5268 348 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 473.5268 I thought his family was West Indian cause, you know, I wasn't sophisticated enough to be able to tell dialects at that time, and 479.1392 349 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 479.1392 (pause 0.25) 479.3897 350 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 479.3897 I only knew Florida and Georgia, 480.7190 351 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 480.7190 (pause 0.31) 481.0310 352 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 481.0310 and that's a very different sounding, um, tone. 483.4089 353 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 483.4089 (pause 0.40) 483.8108 354 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 483.8108 So when I first heard his mother, and his- her- his uncle speak, 487.2248 355 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 487.2248 (pause 0.41) 487.6361 356 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 487.6361 and she would say things, and I was like, is his mother West Indian? 490.5104 357 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 490.5104 (pause 0.43) 490.9359 358 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 490.9359 And then I found out they're from South Carolina, 492.8183 359 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 492.8183 (pause 0.37) 493.1870 360 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 493.1870 and then just like Daughters of the Dust and, 495.2198 361 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 495.2198 (pause 0.32) 495.5366 362 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 495.5366 um, Mama Day, and reading about the, ugh- 498.2265 363 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 498.2265 (pause 1.47) 499.6948 364 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 499.6948 those Sea Coast Islands and just really being caught up 502.0471 365 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 502.0471 (pause 0.24) 502.2882 366 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 502.2882 in the beauty of the language. So I tease him that he probably shoulda been educated as an ESL student 506.4871 367 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 506.4871 (pause 0.44) 506.9315 368 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 506.9315 because in many ways his- his parents have this heavy- 509.5221 369 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 509.5221 (pause 0.36) 509.8814 370 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 509.8814 hi- his mother and his siblings- I mean her siblings have this heavy speech pattern 513.3191 371 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 513.3191 (pause 0.42) 513.7351 372 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 513.7351 that I hear him say tha- I'm like, yeah you know. I said, really. 515.9807 373 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 515.9807 (pause 0.24) 516.2218 374 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 516.2218 And it's not like they don't speak proper English. The- there's no such thing as proper English, you know, in [my estimation.] 520.7043 375 ROC_int_01 519.8580 [Mm-hm.] 520.3355 376 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 521.1628 But I just love the musicality in their voi- I think it's just the- 524.1278 377 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 524.1278 (pause 0.36) 524.4918 378 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 524.4918 one of the prettiest things that 526.3296 379 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 526.3296 (pause 0.10) 526.4265 380 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 526.4265 we could ever experience and get the closest that we could 529.0736 381 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 529.0736 (pause 0.39) 529.4612 382 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 529.4612 to our enslaved ancestors and just our African roots and, 533.1486 383 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 533.1486 (pause 0.20) 533.3519 384 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 533.3519 you know, going beyond just American soil, so I'm very, ugh- 536.7282 385 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 536.7282 (pause 0.83) 537.5555 386 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 537.5555 I'm in love with South Carolinian culture. L- in love. I know more about his family structure than he does. I was like look at /??/. 543.0516 387 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 543.0516 (pause 0.27) 543.3191 388 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 543.3191 I told his mother, I said, oh Miss /RD-NAME-2/, you know, 545.2006 389 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 545.2006 (pause 0.34) 545.5363 390 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 545.5363 you're, uh- 546.5149 391 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 546.5149 (pause 0.17) 546.6859 392 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 546.6859 you're a- you're Gullah. She like, is that what I is? I said- so I'm like, (laughing) yeah that's what you is. 550.8035 393 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 550.8035 (pause 0.52) 551.3188 394 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 551.3188 [Yeah.] 551.7396 395 ROC_int_01 551.3897 [Yeah.] 551.7679 396 ROC_int_01 552.2123 It's cool. 552.8608 397 ROC_int_01 552.8608 (pause 0.23) 553.0877 398 ROC_int_01 553.0877 Okay. 553.5132 399 ROC_int_01 553.5132 (pause 0.24) 553.7496 400 ROC_int_01 553.7496 So I- I 554.4540 401 ROC_int_01 554.4540 (pause 0.18) 554.6383 402 ROC_int_01 554.6383 wanna backtrack for a little bit. Um, 556.5104 403 ROC_int_01 556.5104 (pause 0.11) 556.6192 404 ROC_int_01 556.6192 after high school, 558.2482 405 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 558.4278 [Mm-hm.] 558.7068 406 ROC_int_01 558.5791 [uh], what was the next big step for you? 560.6828 407 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 561.0146 So I, 562.0026 408 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 562.0026 (pause 0.16) 562.1586 409 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 562.1586 um, 562.4470 410 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 562.4470 (pause 0.21) 562.6598 411 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 562.6598 because I- I- I don't like to say I graduated early, 564.9526 412 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 564.9526 (pause 0.18) 565.1370 413 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 565.1370 but I was put up a grade, so I graduated younger than my class age. 568.4376 414 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 568.4376 (pause 0.59) 569.0285 415 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 569.0285 And, um, 570.2766 416 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 570.2766 (pause 0.20) 570.4751 417 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 570.4751 like I said, I had- my mother 571.7854 418 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 571.7854 (pause 0.06) 571.8477 419 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 571.8477 was 572.3234 420 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 572.3234 (pause 0.13) 572.4557 421 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 572.4557 always, um, 573.5427 422 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 573.5427 (pause 0.28) 573.8263 423 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 573.8263 on drugs or incarcerated, and so I had a lot of things that were 577.4098 424 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 577.4098 (pause 0.11) 577.5232 425 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 577.5232 barriers. 578.2946 426 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 578.2946 (pause 0.50) 578.7910 427 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 578.7910 And because I was not a- 580.6016 428 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 580.6016 (pause 0.25) 580.8475 429 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 580.8475 I didn't make a lot of noise, 582.2657 430 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 582.2657 (pause 0.36) 582.6297 431 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 582.6297 sometimes you get pushed in the corner. And so although I did well academically, I had a- 586.4598 432 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 586.4598 (pause 0.36) 586.8238 433 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 586.8238 an- a guidance counselor who wasn't really, 589.0018 434 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 589.0018 (pause 0.08) 589.0858 435 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 589.0858 um, engaged. And at that time I didn't know 591.6392 436 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 591.6392 (pause 0.34) 591.9796 437 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 591.9796 people. I didn't have friends whose families had gone on to college and, 595.1478 438 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 595.1478 (pause 0.42) 595.5685 439 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 595.5685 you know, people like, oh you're really smart and all. But there was nothing- 598.1734 440 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 598.1734 (pause 0.38) 598.5563 441 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 598.5563 you know, my grandmother had always told me, you know, own property and own- so those things- educa- not that she didn't push education, 603.2732 442 ROC_int_01 603.3867 [Mm-hm.] 603.9540 443 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 603.6561 [but it wasn't] necessarily at the forefront. 605.4384 444 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 605.8166 So I went to, uh- I actually was supposed to go to a school in Syracuse, 609.6561 445 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 609.6561 (pause 0.43) 610.0911 446 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 610.0911 and my grandma was so afraid I was gonna get kidnapped. And I was like, oh okay. I was all, you know like, okay whatever. 613.6981 447 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 613.6981 (pause 0.33) 614.0299 448 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 614.0299 And I ended up going to cosmetology school. I was too young for the program, and they tried to kick me out, 617.9537 449 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 617.9537 (pause 0.41) 618.3650 450 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 618.3650 and I was like, no. You said I had to be a high school graduate. I'm sorry I'm seventeen, but I'm staying. 622.9846 451 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 622.9846 (pause 0.37) 623.3533 452 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 623.3533 I'll be eighteen before the program finishes. So I went there, 626.2048 453 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 626.2048 (pause 0.47) 626.6776 454 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 626.6776 um, then, uh, so I graduated from there at eighteen. Worked in that field for like a year. 631.3814 455 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 631.3814 (pause 0.59) 631.9732 456 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 631.9732 Then at nineteen, I got pregnant. I had my first son, and then I went back to school. I started going to /RD-SCHOOL-3/, 637.1545 457 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 637.1545 (pause 0.64) 637.7935 458 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 637.7935 and, um, 638.5830 459 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 638.5830 (pause 1.21) 639.7980 460 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 639.7980 d- and kept going to school, and kept working, and kept doing things, and 643.1592 461 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 643.1592 (pause 0.22) 643.3814 462 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 643.3814 yeah. 643.7029 463 ROC_int_01 644.0488 Mm-hm. 644.6256 464 ROC_int_01 644.6256 (pause 0.12) 644.7437 465 ROC_int_01 644.7437 And 645.2590 466 ROC_int_01 645.2590 (pause 0.16) 645.4198 467 ROC_int_01 645.4198 what made you decide to go back to school? Like, 647.8308 468 ROC_int_01 647.8308 (pause 0.15) 647.9821 469 ROC_int_01 647.9821 why not continue, I guess, doing hair, or- 651.0324 470 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 651.3146 Well, 651.6857 471 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 651.6857 (pause 0.12) 651.8062 472 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 651.8062 even though I was always a really good hair stylist, I always was more, um, 655.2207 473 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 655.2207 (pause 0.45) 655.6753 474 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 655.6753 I was involved in more conversations than anything. I would be leaning on the clients, cracking jokes. I'm always so funny. 660.3366 475 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 660.3366 (pause 0.52) 660.8519 476 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 660.8519 And I wasn't really- 662.2500 477 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 662.2500 (pause 0.87) 663.1172 478 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 663.1172 it was just something so I wouldn't be laying around the house. You know, I wasn't invested I [guess.] 666.8188 479 ROC_int_01 666.6486 [Okay.] 666.8858 480 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 667.3066 Um, 667.9440 481 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 667.9440 (pause 0.29) 668.2332 482 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 668.2332 so when I had my son, he was a preemie. So I was pregnant. My twentieth week, my water bag broke. 672.8188 483 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 672.8188 (pause 0.58) 673.3956 484 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 673.3956 Um, then I ended up having him eight weeks later. I was on bed rest, and I remember being in the bed for that time, and 678.0482 485 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 678.0482 (pause 0.36) 678.4123 486 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 678.4123 I had my- /I was a-/ had a lot of friends and 680.5405 487 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 680.5405 (pause 0.84) 681.3772 488 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 681.3772 when I got on bed rest, it seemed like those relationship- and we're young, so I mean I'm not angry with them, but I understood. 686.3277 489 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 686.3277 (pause 0.62) 686.9470 490 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 686.9470 Um, and so I was on social services probably for like a year and a half and, um, 691.6130 491 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 691.6130 (pause 0.76) 692.3750 492 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 692.3750 I didn't even have all the benefits. I was getting- 694.7618 493 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 694.7618 (pause 0.18) 694.9414 494 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 694.9414 I didn't get rent or anything cause I still lived at home. 697.0930 495 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 697.0930 (pause 0.48) 697.5768 496 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 697.5768 So I got health insurance and I had food stamps. /And I always make that so- I never had saw food stamp/. I would always tell my grandma to go grocery shopping. 703.1828 497 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 703.1828 (pause 0.45) 703.6281 498 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 703.6281 But I remember and, um, being home with my firstborn son, he had a lot of medical appointments. 708.0482 499 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 708.0482 (pause 0.41) 708.4595 500 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 708.4595 And it was- 708.8141 501 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 708.8141 (pause 0.17) 708.9843 502 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 708.9843 I was taking him to an appointment one day. We were going to the doctor's all the time. So I had stopped working, 712.6347 503 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 712.6347 (pause 0.42) 713.0508 504 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 713.0508 and, um, that's why I went to apply for benefits. 715.3483 505 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 715.3483 (pause 0.49) 715.8408 506 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 715.8408 And there was a sign on, um- 717.1929 507 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 717.1929 (pause 0.27) 717.4623 508 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 717.4623 on a bus. I was driving, but there was a sign on a bus. 719.6322 509 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 719.6322 (pause 0.35) 719.9868 510 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 719.9868 And it said, 720.6544 511 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 720.6544 (pause 0.07) 720.7243 512 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 720.7243 do you want to change your life? And it talked about this /RD-SCHOOL-1/ program. It was some acronym for 724.4854 513 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 724.4854 (pause 0.31) 724.7974 514 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 724.7974 like 725.1094 515 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 725.1094 (pause 0.09) 725.2001 516 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 725.2001 supportive living or supportive services at D- um, at 728.1217 517 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 728.1217 (pause 0.25) 728.3722 518 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 728.3722 /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 728.9301 519 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 728.9301 (pause 0.59) 729.5163 520 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 729.5163 And so that next morning, I called. And I was like, well you know, 732.4860 521 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 732.4860 (pause 0.09) 732.5758 522 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 732.5758 I wanna, you know, find out about this program, and this is- 735.0603 523 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 735.0603 (pause 0.08) 735.1383 524 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 735.1383 you know, I qui- I qualify, and 736.6367 525 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 736.6367 (pause 0.52) 737.1581 526 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 737.1581 that changed my life. So I l- I look at this little person that I was responsible for. I knew- 740.7518 527 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 740.7518 (pause 0.17) 740.9267 528 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 740.9267 I d- I didn't grow up on social services. My grandmother always worked. 743.6167 529 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 743.6167 (pause 0.53) 744.1509 530 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 744.1509 And, um, 744.8986 531 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 744.8986 (pause 0.86) 745.7543 532 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 745.7543 even though I had, you know, my family, uh, you know, had relatives who were on DSS, and- 749.8105 533 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 749.8105 (pause 0.51) 750.3211 534 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 750.3211 but it never was anything that- like she had owned restaurants. She had n- it was nothing that was instilled in me, and had I not needed health insurance for this child, 756.2501 535 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 756.2501 (pause 0.48) 756.7332 536 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 756.7332 I- it would never have been something I considered, but 758.9740 537 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 758.9740 (pause 0.35) 759.3191 538 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 759.3191 I just wanted a different life. I wanted to- 761.5552 539 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 761.5552 (pause 0.33) 761.8814 540 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 761.8814 you know, I always knew I was smart. I always knew- like I never had stopped learning. That never- school wasn't equivalent to learning for me, like I'm gonna learn regardless. 768.7087 541 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 768.7087 (pause 0.73) 769.4423 542 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 769.4423 But, um, 769.9765 543 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 769.9765 (pause 0.18) 770.1561 544 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 770.1561 yeah, so seeing that sign, and then I saw it again in the newspaper 773.0777 545 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 773.0777 (pause 0.35) 773.4276 546 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 773.4276 like the next morning, but I- 774.3888 547 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 774.3888 (pause 0.10) 774.4857 548 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 774.4857 I called and it just- 775.6219 549 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 775.6219 (pause 0.13) 775.7531 550 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 775.7531 yeah it 776.1579 551 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 776.1579 (pause 0.06) 776.2211 552 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 776.2211 changed my life. 777.0478 553 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 777.0478 (pause 0.38) 777.4315 554 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 777.4315 [Changed my life.] 778.0755 555 ROC_int_01 777.4599 [Yeah.] 777.9137 556 ROC_int_01 778.6756 Okay, cool. And 780.1364 557 ROC_int_01 780.1364 (pause 0.16) 780.2924 558 ROC_int_01 780.2924 when you continued school, d- were all the schools located in Rochester? Or did you [leave?] 784.9309 559 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 784.6662 [So] I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/, did extremely well there, and, um, I met my husband, and we had a baby. 791.8783 560 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 792.5079 And I was working 793.8600 561 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 793.8600 (pause 0.44) 794.3044 562 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 794.3044 in, um, the field I was- uh, had a human services degree from /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 797.5001 563 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 797.5001 (pause 0.56) 798.0588 564 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 798.0588 And so I did that for like seven years, but I was take like a- a c- I would take an English class, and a- 802.6256 565 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 802.6256 (pause 0.36) 802.9857 566 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 802.9857 a social work class. And I always made the joke when I was a child that I would make- I would be 806.4840 567 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 806.4840 (pause 0.42) 806.9000 568 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 806.9000 an English teacher or a social worker, and I woulda made twenty thousand a year. 809.8555 569 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 809.8555 (pause 0.46) 810.3141 570 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 810.3141 But when I became a social worker, like, 811.9409 571 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 811.9409 (pause 0.12) 812.0615 572 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 812.0615 that was still the b- I was like, what? You know, like [this is], 814.4175 573 ROC_int_01 814.0866 [Right.] 814.5736 574 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 814.8194 you know, like I should not qualify for services. 817.2407 575 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 817.2407 (pause 0.50) 817.7371 576 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 817.7371 And so I ended up going 819.6564 577 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 819.6564 (pause 0.37) 820.0299 578 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 820.0299 back to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, 821.6467 579 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 821.6467 (pause 0.19) 821.8386 580 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 821.8386 did extremely well there. 822.8975 581 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 822.8975 (pause 0.47) 823.3703 582 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 823.3703 And when I got ready to go to grad school, I remember one of the professors who, 826.3967 583 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 826.3967 (pause 0.43) 826.8222 584 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 826.8222 um, just fell in love with me. By this time I had /uh/ my third child. I was married. 829.7012 585 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 829.7012 (pause 0.46) 830.1645 586 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 830.1645 And she was like, you don't need to go here. You've already done this. 832.7134 587 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 832.7134 (pause 0.37) 833.0869 588 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 833.0869 You need to go to another school. So I apply for /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 836.5616 589 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 836.5616 (pause 0.85) 837.4086 590 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 837.4086 I was still working on my 838.2895 591 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 838.2895 (pause 0.09) 838.3829 592 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 838.3829 bachelor's degree, 839.1389 593 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 839.1389 (pause 0.47) 839.6069 594 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 839.6069 and I applied for their Ph.D. program. 841.3930 595 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 841.3930 (pause 0.07) 841.4644 596 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 841.4644 And they said, you know, you- 842.3441 597 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 842.3441 (pause 0.37) 842.7126 598 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 842.7126 you are a w- b- beautiful candidate, but we only accept seven people, 845.5688 599 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 845.5688 (pause 0.26) 845.8241 600 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 845.8241 and we need to make sure that you gonna finish your degree. /But/ like, 847.9521 601 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 847.9521 (pause 0.09) 848.0419 602 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 848.0419 if you were done with your bachelor's degree, 849.4879 603 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 849.4879 (pause 0.40) 849.8850 604 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 849.8850 you would absolutely get in. 850.9487 605 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 850.9487 (pause 0.38) 851.3325 606 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 851.3325 But they said, you know, um, I took my GRE's 853.9072 607 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 853.9072 (pause 0.11) 854.0194 608 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 854.0194 like 854.5755 609 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 854.5755 (pause 0.46) 855.0388 610 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 855.0388 within two weeks. I didn't study 856.2727 611 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 856.2727 (pause 0.35) 856.6272 612 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 856.6272 and I remember getting like an average, and I cried, but I got a hundred percent on the English. 860.1642 613 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 860.1642 (pause 0.43) 860.5944 614 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 860.5944 And I remember crying. I was driving home, told my husband, like, oh I got an average. He's like, you got a average, you didn't study? 865.1119 615 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 865.1119 (pause 0.31) 865.4192 616 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 865.4192 I was like, but I did get a hundred. 866.4885 617 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 866.4885 (pause 0.23) 866.7201 618 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 866.7201 Cause it's something about language policy. I'm like, oh I can do this all day. 869.2919 619 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 869.2919 (pause 0.69) 869.9773 620 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 869.9773 And then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. They gave me a partial scholarship for my master's degree. 873.3110 621 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 873.3110 (pause 0.35) 873.6561 622 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 873.6561 So I went from /RD-SCHOOL-3/. I tell people I went from a community college 876.4406 623 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 876.4406 (pause 0.39) 876.8330 624 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 876.8330 to, um, 877.9968 625 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 877.9968 (pause 0.41) 878.4081 626 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 878.4081 a k- a state college, and then I went to a private university. 881.2115 627 ROC_int_01 881.2434 Mm-hm. 881.8201 628 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 881.9159 And then when I finished, um, 883.6414 629 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 883.6414 (pause 0.13) 883.7690 630 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 883.7690 /RD-SCHOOL-3/ and my master's program, I had considered, 885.7412 631 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 885.7412 (pause 0.39) 886.1336 632 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 886.1336 uh, applying for- they had doctoral program in visual studies. 889.5374 633 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 889.5374 (pause 0.45) 889.9893 634 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 889.9893 I met this woman at a Christmas party, 891.5590 635 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 891.5590 (pause 0.17) 891.7339 636 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 891.7339 and she said, do you know about 893.0525 637 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 893.0525 (pause 0.11) 893.1660 638 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 893.1660 /RD-SCHOOL-3/? They had this /RD-SCHOOL-2/ internship program. 895.5969 639 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 895.5969 (pause 0.59) 896.1912 640 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 896.1912 And then I applied, 896.8948 641 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 896.8948 (pause 0.26) 897.1525 642 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 897.1525 and I did that for a year, and then I got a full time job, 899.7376 643 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 899.7376 (pause 0.32) 900.0591 644 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 900.0591 and a tenure track job. And I was like, oh, 901.8650 645 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 901.8650 (pause 0.84) 902.7065 646 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 902.7065 well, 903.1556 647 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 903.1556 (pause 0.38) 903.5346 648 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 903.5346 you know. And so 904.4612 649 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 904.4612 (pause 0.39) 904.8536 650 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 904.8536 the next stage of school is coming, 906.4326 651 ROC_int_01 907.0196 [Yeah.] 907.4882 652 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 907.0550 [/you know/ yeah.] [] 908.4006 653 ROC_int_01 907.7387 [Yeah. Okay], cool. 909.1995 654 ROC_int_01 909.4926 Um, I'm curious to know, what was your experience like at /RD-SCHOOL-3/? Did you like it? I went there for undergrad, [so.] 915.4292 655 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 915.2090 [Um], 916.0627 656 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 916.3653 I was a d- 916.8853 657 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 916.8853 (pause 0.28) 917.1642 658 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 917.1642 d- I didn't have the traditional /RD-SCHOOL-3/ experience, but no. 919.3079 659 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 919.3079 (pause 0.11) 919.4131 660 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 919.4131 I- I didn't- 920.2500 661 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 920.2500 (pause 1.18) 921.4312 662 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 921.4312 I was there for a year. I was a mom. I was the oldest student in the class, even though I was probably like twenty-nine. No, ma- maybe I was 926.5897 663 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 926.5897 (pause 0.35) 926.9395 664 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 926.9395 thirty-one. Maybe I was thirty-one. 928.7029 665 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 928.7029 (pause 0.80) 929.5026 666 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 929.5026 And I remember being, um- so in the- the- 932.2068 667 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 932.2068 (pause 0.15) 932.3580 668 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 932.3580 the Ph.D. and the master's program, they combined all our cla- well 935.1812 669 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 935.1812 (pause 0.19) 935.3750 670 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 935.3750 everybody took classes together. I was in classes with people 937.5118 671 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 937.5118 (pause 0.38) 937.8900 672 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 937.8900 who were freshman. So freshman all up to Ph.D. students. 940.8494 673 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 940.8494 (pause 0.66) 941.5074 674 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 941.5074 And, um, I didn't feel 944.0602 675 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 944.0602 (pause 0.17) 944.2351 676 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 944.2351 supported as a black student. 946.0268 677 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 946.0268 (pause 0.42) 946.4429 678 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 946.4429 I remember being, you know- I know that's the- 948.5049 679 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 948.5049 (pause 0.21) 948.7176 680 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 948.7176 always the story that folks tell. 950.4384 681 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 950.4384 (pause 0.60) 951.0388 682 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 951.0388 And I knew that they had more investment in their doctoral students cause it was a fully- fully funded 954.2118 683 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 954.2118 (pause 0.12) 954.3347 684 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 954.3347 program. 954.8452 685 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 954.8452 (pause 0.31) 955.1573 686 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 955.1573 And the master's program was a one year- it was 956.9628 687 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 956.9628 (pause 0.07) 957.0337 688 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 957.0337 fifteen credits a semester. 958.2585 689 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 958.2585 (pause 0.64) 958.9028 690 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 958.9028 And, um, 959.8767 691 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 959.8767 (pause 1.13) 961.0074 692 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 961.0074 but I remember just feeling, 962.2507 693 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 962.2507 (pause 0.45) 962.7045 694 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 962.7045 you know, and I took all the black studies, and all the race, and all the post-colonial things, and 967.1965 695 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 967.1965 (pause 0.31) 967.5085 696 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 967.5085 a- poetry is also. I have a crea- my 969.1799 697 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 969.1799 (pause 0.09) 969.2668 698 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 969.2668 bachelor's degree is in creative writing. 970.7184 699 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 970.7184 (pause 0.35) 971.0683 700 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 971.0683 And I remember my, uh, creative writing- 973.0736 701 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 973.0736 (pause 0.18) 973.2532 702 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 973.2532 this 973.4801 703 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 973.4801 (pause 0.31) 973.7921 704 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 973.7921 poetry professor- he's this award-winning professor. 976.0566 705 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 976.0566 (pause 0.50) 976.5530 706 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 976.5530 And his wife is this award-winning novelist. And I had them both. 979.0925 707 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 979.0925 (pause 0.52) 979.6078 708 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 979.6078 And him- 980.1703 709 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 980.1703 (pause 0.86) 981.0260 710 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 981.0260 he had missed a day during the regular semester, so he wanted to use like exam week to make up one. I don't wanna make /this up, I did all my time/, whatever. 986.4256 711 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 986.4256 (pause 0.59) 987.0118 712 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 987.0118 And we had to write this particular type of 988.4537 713 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 988.4537 (pause 0.15) 988.6003 714 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 988.6003 like really 989.1297 715 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 989.1297 (pause 0.41) 989.5410 716 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 989.5410 creative-style, really skilled poem. And I had done this thing, 992.6620 717 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 992.6620 (pause 0.50) 993.1584 718 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 993.1584 and he emailed me. And he was like, you know, I could cry. I wanted to hug you and /just/ tell you 996.9668 719 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 996.9668 (pause 0.43) 997.4017 720 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 997.4017 that this was one of the best pieces I've ever seen in my life, 999.4846 721 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 999.4846 (pause 0.18) 999.6642 722 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 999.6642 but that was it. 1000.3071 723 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1000.3071 (pause 0.58) 1000.8886 724 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1000.8886 No 1001.2999 725 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1001.2999 (pause 0.24) 1001.5410 726 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1001.5410 well let me take you up under my wing. And his wi- I had the same experience in his wife's class. 1004.9078 727 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1004.9078 (pause 0.35) 1005.2529 728 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1005.2529 So in all of my classes, I got A's in all my classes. 1007.7679 729 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1007.7679 (pause 0.29) 1008.0563 730 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1008.0563 And my professors were always commenting on my writing style and my articulation in terms of 1012.5010 731 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1012.5010 (pause 0.30) 1012.8035 732 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1012.8035 my ideas and the way I laid out my arguments. But not one of them said- 1016.2223 733 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1016.2223 (pause 0.24) 1016.4634 734 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1016.4634 except for one crazy lady who was mad because I wouldn't be her friend, I had to report her. It was a whole, 1019.8369 735 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1019.8369 (pause 0.09) 1019.9220 736 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1019.9220 you know, whatever. 1020.4846 737 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1020.4846 (pause 0.51) 1020.9904 738 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1020.9904 But, none of them said, you know what, let me 1023.2549 739 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1023.2549 (pause 0.16) 1023.4156 740 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1023.4156 push you to the next level. Let me connect you. 1025.4020 741 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1025.4020 (pause 0.42) 1025.8227 742 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1025.8227 And so I felt very, um, 1027.7893 743 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1027.7893 (pause 1.01) 1028.7944 744 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1028.7944 very isolated, very 1030.4632 745 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1030.4632 (pause 0.36) 1030.8272 746 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1030.8272 just black in this, 1032.0266 747 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1032.0266 (pause 0.10) 1032.1247 748 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1032.1247 you know blank white space. And, um, 1034.3358 749 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1034.3358 (pause 0.54) 1034.8747 750 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1034.8747 you know, so I understood, I was there to just get this degree, 1037.5042 751 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1037.5042 (pause 0.07) 1037.5716 752 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1037.5716 and 1037.9368 753 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1037.9368 (pause 0.15) 1038.0845 754 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1038.0845 people love the /RD-SCHOOL-3/ name. 1039.3733 755 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1039.3733 (pause 0.43) 1039.8035 756 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1039.8035 I knew that I was gonna stay here, so I needed something. 1042.2910 757 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1042.2910 (pause 0.52) 1042.8110 758 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1042.8110 I- 1042.9340 759 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1042.9340 (pause 0.13) 1043.0616 760 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1043.0616 I made the joke that a lot of my colleagues, they had 1045.1370 761 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1045.1370 (pause 0.15) 1045.2882 762 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1045.2882 degrees from every and anywhere, but if you go to MCC, you see the majority of black folks 1048.9576 763 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1048.9576 (pause 0.38) 1049.3405 764 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1049.3405 have at least one degree from RIT or /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 1052.0068 765 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1052.0068 (pause 0.48) 1052.4890 766 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1052.4890 You know, so 1053.5015 767 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1053.5015 (pause 0.13) 1053.6292 768 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1053.6292 I knew where I was gonna be at. So I knew /RD-SCHOOL-3/ would mean something, 1056.6093 769 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1056.6093 (pause 0.13) 1056.7440 770 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1056.7440 you know, on the scope of the universe but 1058.1581 771 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1058.1581 (pause 0.71) 1058.8672 772 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1058.8672 I'm not in love with /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 1059.9034 773 ROC_int_01 1060.2201 Yeah. 1060.5983 774 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1060.6739 Yeah. 1060.9292 775 ROC_int_01 1061.1372 Yeah. And so, not having that support, at least from them, did you feel like, uh, 1066.4990 776 ROC_int_01 1066.4990 (pause 0.60) 1067.0947 777 ROC_int_01 1067.0947 there was other support within the community maybe, in terms of a writing circle or, 1071.9932 778 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1072.4848 [That was-] 1073.1183 779 ROC_int_01 1072.6030 [uh, mentors?] 1073.9787 780 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1074.3144 I've [always had really] good mentors, but not for writing, um, 1077.5488 781 ROC_int_01 1074.5508 [/??/] 1075.1842 782 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1078.1965 so 1079.0380 783 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1079.0380 (pause 0.45) 1079.4918 784 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1079.4918 my writing life, even though i- I've always 1081.8177 785 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1081.8177 (pause 0.27) 1082.0919 786 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1082.0919 been a writer, 1082.7632 787 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1082.7632 (pause 0.48) 1083.2407 788 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1083.2407 um, 1083.6662 789 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1083.6662 (pause 0.12) 1083.7899 790 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1083.7899 I was a mother first, and mothering my children has always been the s- most single 1088.1439 791 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1088.1439 (pause 0.56) 1088.7048 792 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1088.7048 greatest 1089.2418 793 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1089.2418 (pause 0.10) 1089.3387 794 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1089.3387 thing that I thought I could do. So I stayed at home. I was a stay at home wife. 1092.0566 795 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1092.0566 (pause 0.50) 1092.5530 796 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1092.5530 Um, and 1093.3849 797 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1093.3849 (pause 0.09) 1093.4770 798 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1093.4770 I had like a little summer camp every year for them, camp /RD-NAME-1/, /just/ my three kids. 1096.8795 799 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1096.8795 (pause 0.47) 1097.3475 800 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1097.3475 And the youngest two are sixteen and eighteen, and they still like, mom can- I be like /??/ I don't get y'all dusty butts up in- 1102.4682 801 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1102.4682 (pause 0.24) 1102.7093 802 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1102.7093 camp /RD-NAME-1/ is over. They're like, so it's not. 1104.5644 803 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1104.5644 (pause 0.10) 1104.6673 804 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1104.6673 So you heard me telling /RD-NAME-2/ about going to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 1106.9512 805 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1106.9512 (pause 0.60) 1107.5497 806 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1107.5497 Um, 1108.2257 807 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1108.2257 (pause 0.19) 1108.4195 808 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1108.4195 so for me, I was involved in the things that they were involved in. So like they were in s- 1112.5616 809 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1112.5616 (pause 0.09) 1112.6532 810 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1112.6532 sports or, 1113.5922 811 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1113.5922 (pause 0.37) 1113.9657 812 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1113.9657 um, their preschool parent and I was, uh 1116.0515 813 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1116.0515 (pause 0.08) 1116.1354 814 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1116.1354 the PTA president for seven years for th- all the three kids. They went to the same school. 1119.3320 815 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1119.3320 (pause 0.29) 1119.6239 816 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1119.6239 My husband does school based planning, so 1121.1982 817 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1121.1982 (pause 0.64) 1121.8419 818 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1121.8419 my mi- I didn't have enough space 1123.5994 819 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1123.5994 (pause 0.11) 1123.7057 820 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1123.7057 to 1124.1868 821 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1124.1868 (pause 0.36) 1124.5460 822 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1124.5460 write, but 1125.3198 823 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1125.3198 (pause 0.19) 1125.5053 824 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1125.5053 if somebody would've 1126.2040 825 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1126.2040 (pause 0.19) 1126.3943 826 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1126.3943 pointed that out to me, 1127.3447 827 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1127.3447 (pause 0.37) 1127.7150 828 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1127.7150 I probably would have. I would've 1129.0210 829 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1129.0210 (pause 0.39) 1129.4134 830 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1129.4134 made more space cause I've always written with my children. We've always done a particular Christmas card that had a story attached to it. 1135.0919 831 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1135.0919 (pause 0.57) 1135.6592 832 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1135.6592 And, um, 1136.6555 833 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1136.6555 (pause 0.21) 1136.8656 834 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1136.8656 but now 1137.6215 835 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1137.6215 (pause 0.06) 1137.6829 836 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1137.6829 that, 1138.1609 837 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1138.1609 (pause 0.26) 1138.4256 838 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1138.4256 um, 1138.9598 839 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1138.9598 (pause 0.49) 1139.4501 840 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1139.4501 I'm older, I'm forty-three now, and I'm- I'm teaching writing and, 1142.7129 841 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1142.7129 (pause 0.49) 1143.1998 842 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1143.1998 um, I now am- I've created a writing group and- with black women 1146.7825 843 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1146.7825 (pause 0.23) 1147.0141 844 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1147.0141 you know, and, um, 1147.8651 845 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1147.8651 (pause 0.42) 1148.2815 846 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1148.2815 a- 1148.3122 847 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1148.3122 (pause 0.27) 1148.5864 848 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1148.5864 people hate to say no, I- cause I get embarrassed by the knowing sometimes. 1152.0296 849 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1152.0296 (pause 0.45) 1152.4787 850 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1152.4787 But now making sure that I mentor other people, so I wanna give people 1156.0961 851 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1156.0961 (pause 0.29) 1156.3845 852 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1156.3845 something that I didn't get. So if I have students who come through 1158.8380 853 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1158.8380 (pause 0.37) 1159.2068 854 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1159.2068 and they're brilliant, I'm like, listen, you oughta blah blah blah. 1161.5374 855 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1161.5374 (pause 0.24) 1161.7746 856 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1161.7746 My Black Student Union leadership team, I always make sure they have experiences that, 1165.5235 857 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1165.5235 (pause 0.38) 1165.9064 858 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1165.9064 you know, they would necessarily get a chance to- anybody I know that can get them somewhere, I'm like, oh hold on. 1170.0864 859 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1170.0864 (pause 0.23) 1170.3180 860 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1170.3180 I gotchu, come on. 1170.9562 861 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1170.9562 (pause 0.29) 1171.2493 862 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1171.2493 You need to know this person. 1172.1428 863 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1172.1428 (pause 0.45) 1172.5967 864 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1172.5967 You know, and, um, I have conversations with them about 1175.5380 865 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1175.5380 (pause 0.33) 1175.8689 866 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1175.8689 the ways that they navigate this world because I know it woulda made a- a g- 1178.7479 867 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1178.7479 (pause 0.15) 1178.8945 868 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1178.8945 greater difference. But if you have a particular skill set, 1181.5486 869 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1181.5486 (pause 0.70) 1182.2483 870 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1182.2483 people think you alright. 1183.1560 871 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1183.1560 (pause 0.47) 1183.6303 872 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1183.6303 If you not a whiner or complainer, if you not broke down enough, if you not, you know, if you don't look needy enough, you got all your teeth, you got your eyes /okay/. You know, they're like, oh 1189.8194 873 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1189.8194 (pause 0.26) 1190.0841 874 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1190.0841 /to you/, she fine. 1190.8973 875 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1190.8973 (pause 0.53) 1191.4267 876 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1191.4267 You know, but really being conscious of being a mentor where I didn't have those 1195.3561 877 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1195.3561 (pause 0.19) 1195.5499 878 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1195.5499 mentors. 1195.9943 879 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1195.9943 (pause 0.26) 1196.2543 880 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1196.2543 You know, but I've had /munte-/ mentors, like I've had two consistent mentors. 1199.1286 881 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1199.1286 (pause 0.44) 1199.5683 882 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1199.5683 You know, and now that I do teach, I have a really good, uh, writing, uh, mentor. 1202.8358 883 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1202.8358 (pause 0.47) 1203.3086 884 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1203.3086 Um, but that's- 1203.7813 885 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1203.7813 (pause 0.09) 1203.8664 886 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1203.8664 I'm forty-three. 1204.4668 887 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1204.4668 (pause 0.32) 1204.7823 888 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1204.7823 You know, 1205.5699 889 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1205.5699 (pause 0.12) 1205.6928 890 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1205.6928 it's been a while. 1206.3483 891 ROC_int_01 1206.9101 Mm-hm. 1207.4491 892 ROC_int_01 1207.4491 (pause 0.28) 1207.7296 893 ROC_int_01 1207.7296 Okay, so you're a [professor now.] 1209.4409 894 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1209.0202 [] 1209.3464 895 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1209.4740 Mm-hm. 1209.7009 896 ROC_int_01 1209.9940 What are your favorite courses to teach? 1212.1829 897 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1212.5827 Um, I like- so I teach at a community college so we are 1215.5120 898 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1215.5120 (pause 0.07) 1215.5770 899 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1215.5770 teaching heavy, five five load. 1217.1806 900 ROC_int_01 1217.4454 Woof. 1217.8472 901 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1217.8583 Right. 1218.7957 902 ROC_int_01 1218.8335 [] [] 1219.6703 903 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1218.8902 [Don't cry.] 1219.4504 904 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1219.4504 (pause 0.20) 1219.6490 905 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1219.6490 [Don't] cry. I know. 1220.5070 906 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1221.3511 So, um, 1222.9289 907 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1222.9289 (pause 0.13) 1223.0613 908 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1223.0613 I like teaching- 1224.0675 909 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1224.0675 (pause 0.20) 1224.2707 910 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1224.2707 and this is gonna sound so cliche, I love teaching every single class. I think that any student 1228.3136 911 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1228.3136 (pause 0.43) 1228.7390 912 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1228.7390 who comes into the college should always takes my college composition course 1231.8355 913 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1231.8355 (pause 0.43) 1232.2705 914 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1232.2705 because it's a whole life course. I, uh, I use them as the model for a book. We take- 1236.2282 915 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1236.2282 (pause 0.41) 1236.6395 916 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1236.6395 uh, I send 'em on a scavenger hunt, well, 1238.0688 917 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1238.0688 (pause 0.20) 1238.2697 918 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1238.2697 they figure it out, 1238.8748 919 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1238.8748 (pause 0.16) 1239.0332 920 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1239.0332 throughout the college. I'm introducing the services, we got through scholarship stuff, 1242.0533 921 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1242.0533 (pause 0.29) 1242.3416 922 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1242.3416 and I incorporate the writing voice in everything that they do. Like I want you to be observant 1246.4412 923 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1246.4412 (pause 0.34) 1246.7769 924 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1246.7769 in every area of your life. 1248.1336 925 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1248.1336 (pause 0.39) 1248.5213 926 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1248.5213 My, uh, introduction to literature course, it's the first time they get like the little sampler platter 1252.4932 927 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1252.4932 (pause 0.28) 1252.7721 928 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1252.7721 of different things. And so I cover liter- um, 1255.3541 929 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1255.3541 (pause 0.14) 1255.4983 930 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1255.4983 poetry, 1256.1901 931 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1256.1901 (pause 0.49) 1256.6831 932 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1256.6831 uh, non-fiction and fiction, and drama. And we do f- a- 1259.7143 933 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1259.7143 (pause 0.21) 1259.9223 934 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1259.9223 a little bit of film or maybe a play. 1261.5202 935 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1261.5202 (pause 0.37) 1261.8936 936 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1261.8936 But really just immersing them into stories, and so I like that class. 1265.6954 937 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1265.6954 (pause 0.32) 1266.0121 938 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1266.0121 I love women's, 1266.7827 939 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1266.7827 (pause 0.12) 1266.9056 940 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1266.9056 uh, lit 1267.4410 941 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1267.4410 (pause 0.07) 1267.5125 942 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1267.5125 because, you know, 1268.2340 943 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1268.2340 (pause 0.20) 1268.4389 944 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1268.4389 /uh/, I am woman, hear me roar. 1269.7374 945 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1269.7374 (pause 0.46) 1270.2007 946 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1270.2007 I love love love my black lit courses, and 1272.7496 947 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1272.7496 (pause 0.28) 1273.0332 948 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1273.0332 I don't like the name minorities in lit 1274.5064 949 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1274.5064 (pause 0.09) 1274.5927 950 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1274.5927 but, you know, it is what it is. 1276.0825 951 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1276.0825 (pause 0.42) 1276.5013 952 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1276.5013 We're working to change that. But my black lit course has a, um- 1279.4134 953 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1279.4134 (pause 0.59) 1280.0043 954 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1280.0043 a particular significance to me. Uh, this past semester- I teach it only in the- 1284.1512 955 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1284.1512 (pause 0.79) 1284.9406 956 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1284.9406 in the, um, 1285.9982 957 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1285.9982 (pause 0.11) 1286.1129 958 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1286.1129 spring semester, 1287.1169 959 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1287.1169 (pause 0.51) 1287.6220 960 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1287.6220 but I started the semester out with thirty-two students. I ended up with twenty-nine, which is 1292.0989 961 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1292.0989 (pause 0.33) 1292.4259 962 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1292.4259 beyond fantastic. 1293.6692 963 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1293.6692 (pause 0.59) 1294.2554 964 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1294.2554 But I was looking at my students one day, and I had Facebook lived from- we were doing this party, and it was the most ridiculous thing, but I'm trying to incorporate different 1300.6620 965 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1300.6620 (pause 0.44) 1301.1017 966 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1301.1017 medias, and I want them to see 1303.1912 967 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1303.1912 (pause 0.21) 1303.4039 968 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1303.4039 that they matter to the world. And people are always interesting in what I do in my class, so I 1306.4824 969 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1306.4824 (pause 0.35) 1306.8322 970 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1306.8322 Facebook lived, and I was going around asking my students, you know, different things about the course and blackness and 1311.5794 971 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1311.5794 (pause 0.41) 1311.9907 972 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1311.9907 black, white students, whatever. 1313.2246 973 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1313.2246 (pause 0.84) 1314.0613 974 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1314.0613 When I looked at them, 1314.9643 975 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1314.9643 (pause 0.36) 1315.3264 976 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1315.3264 this was like the end of April, 1316.4014 977 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1316.4014 (pause 0.49) 1316.8939 978 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1316.8939 I said, you know, we have something here 1318.2300 979 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1318.2300 (pause 0.10) 1318.3281 980 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1318.3281 cause we talk, 1318.9315 981 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1318.9315 (pause 0.26) 1319.1962 982 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1319.1962 and I don't teach just, 1320.1082 983 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1320.1082 (pause 0.10) 1320.2051 984 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1320.2051 um, the canonical texts. I don't just do like, 1322.2896 985 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1322.2896 (pause 0.25) 1322.5401 986 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1322.5401 you know, Their Eyes Were Watching God or The Color Purple. 1324.6053 987 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1324.6053 (pause 0.22) 1324.8227 988 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1324.8227 Like we are reading, um, 1326.2552 989 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1326.2552 (pause 0.14) 1326.3923 990 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1326.3923 documents from, you know, enslavement. 1328.4354 991 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1328.4354 (pause 0.28) 1328.7190 992 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1328.7190 We are looking at the Voting Rights Act. 1331.2246 993 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1331.2246 (pause 0.31) 1331.5366 994 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1331.5366 We are, you know, watching film. We're watching- 1333.9571 995 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1333.9571 (pause 0.27) 1334.2226 996 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1334.2226 /you kno- know/, we're listening to music. And so I try to approach in a- this multilayered approach. 1337.8250 997 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1337.8250 (pause 0.52) 1338.3450 998 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1338.3450 And so I contacted one of my colleagues in the, um, 1341.4943 999 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1341.4943 (pause 0.38) 1341.8725 1000 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1341.8725 he does like the films for /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 1343.4373 1001 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1343.4373 (pause 0.58) 1344.0188 1002 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1344.0188 And he came and he made a- a little short documentary, so I'm waiting to see. It's g- it's p- should be about 1347.5611 1003 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1347.5611 (pause 0.43) 1347.9874 1004 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1347.9874 maybe seven minutes long. He filmed, um, 1350.2176 1005 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1350.2176 (pause 0.09) 1350.3026 1006 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1350.3026 like a hour and a half 1351.3876 1007 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1351.3876 (pause 0.08) 1351.4656 1008 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1351.4656 wha- hour and twenty minutes of class, 1352.5791 1009 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1352.5791 (pause 0.39) 1352.9668 1010 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1352.9668 and we aks group of students a series of questions 1355.4393 1011 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1355.4393 (pause 0.38) 1355.8230 1012 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1355.8230 about, you know, colleges and how they talk about race and, 1358.4799 1013 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1358.4799 (pause 0.42) 1358.9006 1014 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1358.9006 you know, 1359.4443 1015 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1359.4443 (pause 0.24) 1359.6854 1016 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1359.6854 like, let's talk. And let's not- let's not sugarcoat this thing. So black lit has 1363.2413 1017 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1363.2413 (pause 0.64) 1363.8795 1018 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1363.8795 a particular, 1365.2268 1019 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1365.2268 (pause 0.36) 1365.5861 1020 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1365.5861 um, 1366.1439 1021 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1366.1439 (pause 0.35) 1366.4890 1022 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1366.4890 special place. I love creative writing. I teach that 1368.6881 1023 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1368.6881 (pause 0.37) 1369.0616 1024 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1369.0616 in the fall, um, 1370.3049 1025 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1370.3049 (pause 0.40) 1370.7068 1026 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1370.7068 because I'm creative writing. 1372.0967 1027 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1372.0967 (pause 0.20) 1372.2952 1028 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1372.2952 And so I cover- 1373.1564 1029 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1373.1564 (pause 0.26) 1373.4117 1030 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1373.4117 some people teach 1374.3600 1031 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1374.3600 (pause 0.06) 1374.4191 1032 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1374.4191 mostly, uh, composition, 1376.2340 1033 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1376.2340 (pause 0.36) 1376.5967 1034 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1376.5967 well we all have to teach three comp and two lit 1378.7296 1035 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1378.7296 (pause 0.43) 1379.1645 1036 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1379.1645 and- 1379.6373 1037 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1379.6373 (pause 0.31) 1379.9445 1038 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1379.9445 but I teach comp, lit, and creative writing. 1382.2799 1039 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1382.2799 (pause 0.28) 1382.5588 1040 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1382.5588 So I'm one of the few people who does that, cause we have a creative writing degree now 1385.2071 1041 ROC_int_01 1385.5474 [/Oh cool/.] 1386.1040 1042 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1385.6514 [at /RD-SCHOOL-3/.] 1386.3074 1043 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1386.4090 Right. 1386.7246 1044 ROC_int_01 1387.1339 Very cool. 1387.8667 1045 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1387.8809 Alright. 1388.2165 1046 ROC_int_01 1388.4907 Okay. What would you say are some of the most challenging aspects 1392.9393 1047 ROC_int_01 1392.9393 (pause 0.42) 1393.3561 1048 ROC_int_01 1393.3561 of, um, being an educator, 1395.3854 1049 ROC_int_01 1395.3854 (pause 0.14) 1395.5225 1050 ROC_int_01 1395.5225 um, at /RD-SCHOOL-3/? 1397.0577 1051 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1397.9749 Um, 1398.6212 1052 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1398.6212 (pause 0.11) 1398.7334 1053 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1398.7334 the challenges- it's twofold. 1400.2874 1054 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1400.2874 (pause 0.32) 1400.6122 1055 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1400.6122 As an educator, the challenge is /that the/ preparedness, or the lack of preparedness of the students, 1404.6645 1056 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1404.6645 (pause 0.63) 1405.2933 1057 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1405.2933 um, 1405.8322 1058 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1405.8322 (pause 0.23) 1406.0591 1059 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1406.0591 or 1406.5650 1060 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1406.5650 (pause 0.68) 1407.2457 1061 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1407.2457 not even necessarily lack of preparedness. Letting them understand that they have skills that fit in particular categories. 1411.7613 1062 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1411.7613 (pause 0.23) 1411.9929 1063 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1411.9929 Cause someone may know how to do something, but they don't know that that thing 1414.5515 1064 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1414.5515 (pause 0.10) 1414.6484 1065 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1414.6484 is this thing. Like oh, I didn't know I was doing that. 1417.0494 1066 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1417.0494 (pause 0.51) 1417.5552 1067 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1417.5552 And so just trying to let them see where the skill sets- and then that true lack of- what I would say the American education system 1422.9548 1068 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1422.9548 (pause 0.41) 1423.3614 1069 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1423.3614 problem of, um, 1424.8931 1070 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1424.8931 (pause 0.10) 1424.9900 1071 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1424.9900 sentence writing and structure. 1426.5864 1072 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1426.5864 (pause 0.46) 1427.0483 1073 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1427.0483 But then as a black woman educator, I, uh, actually published a chapter about this 1430.8594 1074 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1430.8594 (pause 0.37) 1431.2282 1075 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1431.2282 in my girlfriend's texts, 1432.6039 1076 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1432.6039 (pause 0.14) 1432.7410 1077 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1432.7410 um, her anthology, 1434.1970 1078 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1434.1970 (pause 0.35) 1434.5421 1079 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1434.5421 and it was- the title of it was, I'm Not Your Mama, Do Your Work: The Plight of the Black Female Academic, 1439.3130 1080 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1439.3130 (pause 0.52) 1439.8283 1081 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1439.8283 you know, in higher ed. And- and just looking at 1442.7176 1082 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1442.7176 (pause 0.36) 1443.0816 1083 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1443.0816 someone looking at me as a pseudo mom, 1444.9395 1084 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1444.9395 (pause 0.55) 1445.4926 1085 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1445.4926 um, my- my colleagues code switching when i- 1447.6823 1086 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1447.6823 (pause 0.20) 1447.8809 1087 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1447.8809 hey girl. What? 1448.9256 1088 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1448.9256 (pause 0.61) 1449.5355 1089 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1449.5355 Um, assuming that I only can teach black related stuff. Like I do Shakespeare better than any of y'all, you know. 1454.9824 1090 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1454.9824 (pause 0.55) 1455.5355 1091 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1455.5355 And, um, the- 1456.9443 1092 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1456.9443 (pause 0.13) 1457.0766 1093 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1457.0766 the lack of visibility. 1458.1876 1094 ROC_int_01 1458.5260 [Mm.] 1458.8759 1095 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1458.7265 [And], um, in our- in our job there are- 1461.2065 1096 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1461.6414 there were 1462.2123 1097 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1462.2123 (pause 0.16) 1462.3730 1098 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1462.3730 three hundred- I think our cap is three eighteen full-time and tenure track professors. 1466.3414 1099 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1466.3414 (pause 0.65) 1466.9952 1100 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1466.9952 And there are at this present moment- I think we counted eighteen black folks. 1470.5510 1101 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1470.5510 (pause 0.68) 1471.2271 1102 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1471.2271 And like four or five on they way out. 1472.9573 1103 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1472.9573 (pause 0.26) 1473.2221 1104 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1473.2221 And so there's like nine at Brighton, nine at Daemen, the downtown campus. 1476.7752 1105 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1476.7752 (pause 0.61) 1477.3850 1106 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1477.3850 And so that- that lack of- of- of visibility, and I- I- 1481.5555 1107 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1481.5555 (pause 0.63) 1482.1890 1108 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1482.1890 I'm very, uh, vocal, 1483.6025 1109 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1483.6025 (pause 0.23) 1483.8341 1110 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1483.8341 and I'm very- very present 1485.7638 1111 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1485.7638 (pause 0.37) 1486.1325 1112 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1486.1325 in- in black related stuff, and so 1488.3639 1113 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1488.3639 (pause 0.29) 1488.6570 1114 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1488.6570 for me, the challenge is that intersection of my blackness and my womanness. 1492.7329 1115 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1492.7329 (pause 0.49) 1493.2246 1116 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1493.2246 And 1493.6725 1117 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1493.6725 (pause 0.11) 1493.7789 1118 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1493.7789 as a woman I don't feel, um- 1495.7112 1119 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1495.7112 (pause 0.97) 1496.6765 1120 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1496.6765 I feel like I'm a black woman. That's a particular thing. 1498.9409 1121 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1498.9409 (pause 0.31) 1499.2482 1122 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1499.2482 So that impacts the way that, 1501.4762 1123 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1501.4762 (pause 0.11) 1501.5850 1124 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1501.5850 you know, I- my students- 1502.4926 1125 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1502.4926 (pause 0.50) 1502.9890 1126 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1502.9890 I remember walking into a course one time and, you know, 1505.7318 1127 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1505.7318 (pause 0.72) 1506.4504 1128 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1506.4504 uh, my student's like, you the teacher? 1508.0294 1129 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1508.0294 (pause 0.30) 1508.3286 1130 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1508.3286 I was like 1508.7966 1131 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1508.7966 (pause 0.16) 1508.9573 1132 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1508.9573 yeah. So she was so older black woman. 1510.7774 1133 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1510.7774 (pause 0.41) 1511.1887 1134 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1511.1887 She's like, 1511.6150 1135 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1511.6150 (pause 0.22) 1511.8325 1136 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1511.8325 you've been speaking to me all time, 1513.7944 1137 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1513.7944 (pause 0.24) 1514.0307 1138 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1514.0307 and I didn't- and then she said, can I call my friend? 1516.1392 1139 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1516.1392 (pause 0.36) 1516.4985 1140 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1516.4985 And I was like, yeah. 1517.4899 1141 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1517.4899 (pause 0.09) 1517.5785 1142 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1517.5785 Cause class hadn't started. She called her friend. She said, can you tell her? 1519.6856 1143 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1519.6856 (pause 0.28) 1519.9693 1144 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1519.9693 I was like, hi, I'm her. And you know they started laughing, and I'm- and then- just seeing 1523.3258 1145 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1523.3258 (pause 0.39) 1523.7190 1146 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1523.7190 like my mother's friends and my uncle's friends who are like 1527.2226 1147 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1527.2226 (pause 0.06) 1527.2835 1148 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1527.2835 fifty something, sixty years old, 1528.9003 1149 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1528.9003 (pause 0.35) 1529.2468 1150 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1529.2468 and they know my- 1529.7377 1151 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1529.7377 (pause 0.09) 1529.8323 1152 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1529.8323 my mother struggles and my uncle struggles, and they like- 1532.2305 1153 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1532.2305 (pause 0.36) 1532.5921 1154 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1532.5921 and I'm like, oh there go my uncle such and such. And I've never really met these people, but they feel 1536.0802 1155 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1536.0802 (pause 0.25) 1536.3261 1156 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1536.3261 like they can do it because I offer myself bare to them. I'm like, you know, this is the- the journey I've taken. 1540.8038 1157 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1540.8038 (pause 0.68) 1541.4799 1158 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1541.4799 So the challenge is- is that 1543.5645 1159 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1543.5645 (pause 0.11) 1543.6780 1160 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1543.6780 people have different expectations 1545.4161 1161 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1545.4161 (pause 0.20) 1545.6158 1162 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1545.6158 for me, and sometimes I have those 1547.0861 1163 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1547.0861 (pause 0.28) 1547.3650 1164 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1547.3650 for myself and knowing how to l- you know, lay boundaries out but also 1550.2118 1165 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1550.2118 (pause 0.44) 1550.6562 1166 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1550.6562 being able to be heard and be visible and not be invisibilized, 1554.6320 1167 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1554.6320 (pause 0.55) 1555.1859 1168 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1555.1859 um, 1555.5736 1169 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1555.5736 (pause 0.22) 1555.7958 1170 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1555.7958 yeah. 1556.0889 1171 ROC_int_01 1556.4812 Yeah. 1556.7460 1172 ROC_int_01 1556.7460 (pause 0.38) 1557.1289 1173 ROC_int_01 1557.1289 Okay. 1557.6111 1174 ROC_int_01 1557.6111 (pause 0.35) 1557.9562 1175 ROC_int_01 1557.9562 Um, I wanted to ask a question about your writing. 1560.4343 1176 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1560.5430 Mm-hm. 1560.8124 1177 ROC_int_01 1560.8321 Um, and just- sorry, 1562.5285 1178 ROC_int_01 1562.5285 (pause 0.19) 1562.7176 1179 ROC_int_01 1562.7176 I [got scared] for a second [looking down.] 1564.3722 1180 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1562.7980 [Mm-mm.] 1563.0533 1181 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1563.0533 (pause 0.86) 1563.9089 1182 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1563.9089 [No, no.] 1564.1831 1183 ROC_int_01 1564.7221 [] 1565.1712 1184 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1565.1097 [No, no.] 1565.4832 1185 ROC_int_01 1565.5825 I wanted to ask about your own writing and, uh, 1568.5049 1186 ROC_int_01 1568.5049 (pause 0.43) 1568.9398 1187 ROC_int_01 1568.9398 I guess, uh, what inspires you? 1570.9301 1188 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1571.8567 I'm inspired by everything and- and nothing. I think that, um, 1576.0933 1189 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1576.0933 (pause 0.09) 1576.1796 1190 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1576.1796 I'm most inspired by black stories and 1578.2821 1191 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1578.2821 (pause 0.56) 1578.8428 1192 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1578.8428 I have been, um- 1580.3366 1193 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1580.3366 (pause 0.43) 1580.7668 1194 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1580.7668 I was telling someone, I think that in the past 1583.0180 1195 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1583.0180 (pause 0.56) 1583.5758 1196 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1583.5758 that like ninety-nine point nine percent of the stuff that I read- even- all my classes got black stuff in it, so whatever. 1588.7154 1197 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1588.7154 (pause 0.64) 1589.3583 1198 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1589.3583 Um, 1589.8074 1199 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1589.8074 (pause 0.21) 1590.0202 1200 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1590.0202 by black people and their stories and I- I just l- I love everything about us. So if I look at my black children, my black husband, 1596.0296 1201 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1596.0296 (pause 0.44) 1596.4740 1202 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1596.4740 if I look at my black friends, if I see someone, like I l- everything, like black black black, all black, everything. 1601.6467 1203 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1601.6467 (pause 0.46) 1602.1053 1204 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1602.1053 You know, um, I'm inspired by blinking. I'm inspired by 1605.8116 1205 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1605.8116 (pause 0.28) 1606.0961 1206 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1606.0961 when I teach my creative writing song, I tell my students to listen to the pauses, listen to the spaces. 1610.1334 1207 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1610.1334 (pause 0.48) 1610.6108 1208 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1610.6108 And being able to create something 1612.6303 1209 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1612.6303 (pause 0.41) 1613.0369 1210 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1613.0369 not from nothing but from little. 1614.8948 1211 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1614.8948 (pause 0.20) 1615.0933 1212 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1615.0933 And, um, 1615.8308 1213 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1615.8308 (pause 0.40) 1616.2326 1214 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1616.2326 so in my own writing I talk a lot about love and, um, love of us as people, love of my husband and our children, 1622.3035 1215 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1622.3035 (pause 0.30) 1622.6061 1216 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1622.6061 love of my grandmother, love of myself, and broken love, and promises, and, 1626.4977 1217 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1626.4977 (pause 0.65) 1627.1500 1218 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1627.1500 um, 1627.7363 1219 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1627.7363 (pause 0.28) 1628.0199 1220 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1628.0199 also, you know, uh, 1629.6698 1221 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1629.6698 (pause 0.14) 1629.8116 1222 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1629.8116 that revolutionary spirit like, yo, you know, black folks be stay woke. 1633.3628 1223 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1633.3628 (pause 0.58) 1633.9443 1224 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1633.9443 And so I'm very inspired by i- once again it g- always cycles back to blackness, but I'm- I want people to know I'm a educator all the time. 1640.2090 1225 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1640.2090 (pause 0.48) 1640.6865 1226 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1640.6865 And so I'm- I- I wanna sh- show you something and teach you something in- in the things that I write. So I'm- 1645.2635 1227 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1645.2635 (pause 0.48) 1645.7457 1228 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1645.7457 I'm inspired by everything. If I- 1647.5367 1229 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1647.5367 (pause 0.14) 1647.6785 1230 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1647.6785 i- 1647.7447 1231 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1647.7447 (pause 0.14) 1647.8818 1232 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1647.8818 if someone has a- a really good meal or has a pretty color that pops out, 1650.9881 1233 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1650.9881 (pause 0.33) 1651.3202 1234 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1651.3202 if I'm feeling kind of down, I'm l- up, 1652.8801 1235 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1652.8801 (pause 0.09) 1652.9652 1236 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1652.9652 whatever like, up, down, inside out, 1654.7091 1237 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1654.7091 (pause 0.11) 1654.8154 1238 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1654.8154 twisted, 1655.2791 1239 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1655.2791 (pause 0.15) 1655.4281 1240 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1655.4281 crazy, straight lines. 1656.6407 1241 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1656.6407 (pause 0.49) 1657.1300 1242 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1657.1300 I love it all. 1657.8769 1243 ROC_int_01 1658.4798 Mm-hm. 1659.0093 1244 ROC_int_01 1659.0093 (pause 0.53) 1659.5415 1245 ROC_int_01 1659.5415 And how would you /ecs-/ assess I guess the creative writing community here in Rochester? 1664.7993 1246 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1665.4706 So I think Rochester's pretty dope. 1667.2907 1247 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1667.2907 (pause 0.19) 1667.4798 1248 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1667.4798 I think that, uh, we have so much, 1669.4520 1249 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1669.4520 (pause 0.47) 1669.9247 1250 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1669.9247 you know, pure magic. The one critique that I do have is that I think that people operate in silos in many ways. 1675.5843 1251 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1675.5843 (pause 0.46) 1676.0429 1252 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1676.0429 And that, you know, um, and so for me- this is how I see it, 1679.3943 1253 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1679.3943 (pause 0.23) 1679.6283 1254 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1679.6283 and it's how 1680.1627 1255 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1680.1627 (pause 0.13) 1680.2975 1256 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1680.2975 I told my- my black 1681.5532 1257 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1681.5532 (pause 0.29) 1681.8416 1258 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1681.8416 m- women's writing group 1682.7681 1259 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1682.7681 (pause 1.00) 1683.7656 1260 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1683.7656 that 1684.2195 1261 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1684.2195 (pause 0.25) 1684.4709 1262 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1684.4709 we all have these dynamic experiences 1686.8110 1263 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1686.8110 (pause 0.75) 1687.5579 1264 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1687.5579 a- 1687.6146 1265 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1687.6146 (pause 0.12) 1687.7328 1266 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1687.7328 but I teach writing. I'm a- one of very few 1689.8813 1267 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1689.8813 (pause 0.25) 1690.1283 1268 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1690.1283 black female profe- black 1691.3092 1269 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1691.3092 (pause 0.15) 1691.4605 1270 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1691.4605 english professors in this area. 1692.6758 1271 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1692.6758 (pause 0.61) 1693.2871 1272 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1693.2871 There's no reason why I don't know everybody's stuff. Like y'all not on my email list because 1696.9895 1273 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1696.9895 (pause 0.82) 1697.8074 1274 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1697.8074 I got students. 1698.7056 1275 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1698.7056 (pause 0.32) 1699.0223 1276 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1699.0223 My students wanna come see you. 1700.1947 1277 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1700.1947 (pause 0.40) 1700.5974 1278 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1700.5974 At the v- I- I have a built in audience, and I want my students to know 1703.4575 1279 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1703.4575 (pause 0.29) 1703.7506 1280 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1703.7506 I shouldn't have to- every year before I teach black lit, I go 1706.6769 1281 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1706.6769 (pause 0.26) 1706.9331 1282 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1706.9331 and I'm looking through calendars and websites trying to find stuff. And I said, there's no reason 1710.9325 1283 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1710.9325 (pause 0.34) 1711.2681 1284 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1711.2681 why y'all not plugged in. 1712.5304 1285 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1712.5304 (pause 0.32) 1712.8480 1286 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1712.8480 So I made the commitment to take my students to- or have them go to, 1716.7339 1287 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1716.7339 (pause 0.22) 1716.9561 1288 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1716.9561 you know, spoken word pieces that I know, 1718.6817 1289 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1718.6817 (pause 0.27) 1718.9472 1290 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1718.9472 when Rena does her stuff, when Lou does her stuff. 1720.9848 1291 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1720.9848 (pause 0.36) 1721.3441 1292 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1721.3441 I want them to know when, um, 1723.0270 1293 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1723.0270 (pause 0.30) 1723.3249 1294 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1723.3249 you know, the Sankofa Theater is happening. 1724.9155 1295 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1724.9155 (pause 0.08) 1724.9923 1296 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1724.9923 I'll pass that information on to my students. 1726.7612 1297 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1726.7612 (pause 0.34) 1727.0968 1298 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1727.0968 But I think that, um, 1728.3969 1299 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1728.3969 (pause 0.78) 1729.1778 1300 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1729.1778 there are a lot of people 1730.2887 1301 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1730.2887 (pause 0.37) 1730.6622 1302 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1730.6622 who 1731.0526 1303 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1731.0526 (pause 0.11) 1731.1625 1304 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1731.1625 just write in vacuums, and- 1732.4823 1305 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1732.4823 (pause 0.32) 1732.8037 1306 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1732.8037 and sometimes, 1733.9943 1307 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1733.9943 (pause 0.13) 1734.1290 1308 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1734.1290 um, 1734.7089 1309 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1734.7089 (pause 1.02) 1735.7281 1310 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1735.7281 because people don't have- 1737.0140 1311 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1737.0140 (pause 0.66) 1737.6711 1312 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1737.6711 there's a lot of academic bashing 1739.4400 1313 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1739.4400 (pause 0.68) 1740.1160 1314 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1740.1160 that, 1740.7732 1315 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1740.7732 (pause 1.28) 1742.0543 1316 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1742.0543 oh, 1742.3632 1317 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1742.3632 (pause 0.09) 1742.4554 1318 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1742.4554 you have to be like a guerrilla writer. 1744.0257 1319 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1744.0257 (pause 0.46) 1744.4882 1320 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1744.4882 It's like, it's okay 1745.4696 1321 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1745.4696 (pause 0.10) 1745.5712 1322 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1745.5712 to have some degrees. 1747.0793 1323 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1747.0793 (pause 0.13) 1747.2045 1324 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1747.2045 It's okay. 1747.8380 1325 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1747.8380 (pause 0.57) 1748.4089 1326 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1748.4089 You know, and, um 1750.3140 1327 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1750.3140 (pause 0.36) 1750.6694 1328 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1750.6694 coming through with- so for me I've been a writer before I was an educator, 1753.3938 1329 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1753.3938 (pause 0.26) 1753.6539 1330 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1753.6539 but now I am a educator and I teach writing. So when I go to some of this stuff I'm like, oh, 1756.5991 1331 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1756.5991 (pause 0.33) 1756.9253 1332 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1756.9253 I hear you cause it's, you know 1757.9094 1333 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1757.9094 (pause 0.11) 1758.0229 1334 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1758.0229 finesse this thing, and it could be a little bit- 1759.8382 1335 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1759.8382 (pause 0.27) 1760.1077 1336 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1760.1077 little bit on a higher level. 1761.2517 1337 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1761.2517 (pause 0.28) 1761.5354 1338 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1761.5354 But people aren't always 1762.9773 1339 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1762.9773 (pause 0.24) 1763.2145 1340 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1763.2145 interested in that because they wanna do it how they do it and, 1765.5309 1341 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1765.5309 (pause 0.28) 1765.8099 1342 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1765.8099 oh well you teach college and you know, this that. It's like, girl please. 1768.6983 1343 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1768.6983 (pause 0.47) 1769.1658 1344 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1769.1658 I been black all my life, and I'm straight up and down, and you can add a little comma, period, exclamation point, 1774.0067 1345 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1774.0067 (pause 0.31) 1774.3168 1346 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1774.3168 pause, double dash of that thing. And you would need to read somebody's stuff. 1777.1533 1347 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1777.1533 (pause 0.45) 1777.5985 1348 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1777.5985 And so I tell my students- I'd had some of the top 1779.4470 1349 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1779.4470 (pause 0.24) 1779.6833 1350 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1779.6833 poets in Rochester come in my creative writing class, 1781.8627 1351 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1781.8627 (pause 0.40) 1782.2645 1352 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1782.2645 and I said, don't tell me about anybody's poem- 1784.0334 1353 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1784.0334 (pause 0.35) 1784.3880 1354 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1784.3880 about your poem if you can't tell me about anybody that you reading. I don't wanna know- 1787.2812 1355 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1787.2812 (pause 0.53) 1787.8107 1356 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1787.8107 don't tell me you write and you don't read. I l- I- 1789.7971 1357 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1789.7971 (pause 0.33) 1790.1233 1358 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1790.1233 I'm, uh, ugh- I'm not interested. 1791.4470 1359 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1791.4470 (pause 0.45) 1791.8961 1360 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1791.8961 You gotta study, folk. Whether you adapt to their style, 1794.0376 1361 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1794.0376 (pause 0.29) 1794.3260 1362 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1794.3260 but you can't just 1794.9847 1363 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1794.9847 (pause 0.14) 1795.1265 1364 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1795.1265 pop out of the clouds, and, I'm so great. Cause somebody else did that, 1797.9358 1365 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1797.9358 (pause 0.29) 1798.2242 1366 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1798.2242 and you need to know that. 1799.0382 1367 ROC_int_01 1799.8135 Mm-hm. 1800.1869 1368 ROC_int_01 1800.1869 (pause 0.78) 1800.9717 1369 ROC_int_01 1800.9717 Nah, I share that same sentiment. I mean, I 1803.3827 1370 ROC_int_01 1803.3827 (pause 0.26) 1803.6427 1371 ROC_int_01 1803.6427 don't write as much anymore but I was a creative writing major [at /RD-SCHOOL-2.] 1807.0426 1372 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1806.4706 [] 1806.8252 1373 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1807.5485 Oh, hey. [So my first born] son went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. [Yeah], 1810.4338 1374 ROC_int_01 1808.6480 [/So/.] 1809.2390 1375 ROC_int_01 1809.2390 (pause 0.86) 1810.0946 1376 ROC_int_01 1810.0946 [Oh, great. Yeah.] 1811.4609 1377 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1810.5047 [yeah. Whe- when did you graduate?] 1811.7965 1378 ROC_int_01 1811.9147 Two thousand eight. 1812.5435 1379 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1812.9556 He graduated two thousand ten. 1814.2367 1380 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1814.2367 (pause 0.36) 1814.5960 1381 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1814.5960 /RD-NAME-1/. But he was, um- 1815.8866 1382 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1815.8866 (pause 0.48) 1816.3641 1383 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1816.3641 cello, he played cello. 1817.4940 1384 ROC_int_01 1817.5743 I probably would know him [by face.] 1819.0824 1385 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1818.4395 [Yeah.] 1818.9169 1386 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1818.9169 (pause 0.12) 1819.0351 1387 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1819.0351 [He] got a pointy face. You probably would. 1820.6007 1388 ROC_int_01 1820.7520 1821.0782 1389 ROC_int_01 1821.0782 (pause 0.53) 1821.6124 1390 ROC_int_01 1821.6124 But yeah, nah. I share the same sentiment. I'm all about like, 1824.9737 1391 ROC_int_01 1824.9737 (pause 0.28) 1825.2487 1392 ROC_int_01 1825.2487 you gotta read the greats, and 1827.1917 1393 ROC_int_01 1827.1917 (pause 0.36) 1827.5510 1394 ROC_int_01 1827.5510 [learn] different techniques [and skills] [and-] 1830.1038 1395 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1827.5982 [Yeah.] 1828.1088 1396 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1828.1088 (pause 0.92) 1829.0307 1397 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1829.0307 [and- right], 1829.6878 1398 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1829.6878 (pause 0.26) 1829.9431 1399 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1829.9431 [and put] your ego away. 1831.0398 1400 ROC_int_01 1831.3471 Mm-hm. 1831.7403 1401 ROC_int_01 1831.7403 (pause 1.52) 1833.2626 1402 ROC_int_01 1833.2626 Yeah. That was one of the greatest 1834.9369 1403 ROC_int_01 1834.9369 (pause 0.07) 1835.0031 1404 ROC_int_01 1835.0031 lessons though that /RD-SCHOOL-2/ taught me, [so.] 1837.0946 1405 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1836.9150 [Good.] Good. Hey, viva la /RD-SCHOOL-2/. 1838.6283 1406 ROC_int_01 1838.6378 Yeah. Yes, for sure. 1840.3795 1407 ROC_int_01 1840.3795 (pause 0.37) 1840.7517 1408 ROC_int_01 1840.7517 Um, 1841.3569 1409 ROC_int_01 1841.3569 (pause 0.44) 1841.7965 1410 ROC_int_01 1841.7965 so 1842.6096 1411 ROC_int_01 1842.6096 (pause 0.43) 1843.0359 1412 ROC_int_01 1843.0359 I wanna move more into questions, I guess, more Rochester [related.] 1847.1678 1413 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1846.8794 [Yeah.] 1847.0307 1414 ROC_int_01 1847.5034 Um, 1848.0329 1415 ROC_int_01 1848.0329 (pause 0.85) 1848.8847 1416 ROC_int_01 1848.8847 let's see where should I start? Okay, well what are some of your favorite aspects of Rochester? 1853.3616 1417 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1854.9586 1855.0576 1418 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1855.0576 (pause 0.10) 1855.1580 1419 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1855.1580 I love the seasons. 1856.6545 1420 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1856.6545 (pause 0.20) 1856.8513 1421 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1856.8513 I think that we- 1858.4397 1422 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1858.4397 (pause 0.07) 1858.5142 1423 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1858.5142 and I don't like s- 1859.7103 1424 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1859.7103 (pause 0.08) 1859.7888 1425 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1859.7888 I like snow 1860.6347 1426 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1860.6347 (pause 0.36) 1860.9987 1427 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1860.9987 but I want it like, on the sidewalks. 1863.0702 1428 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1863.0702 (pause 0.14) 1863.2072 1429 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1863.2072 That's it. 1864.1669 1430 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1864.1669 (pause 0.36) 1864.5262 1431 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1864.5262 But on the grass part of the sidewalk, not on the walking part. I wanna little sprinkle at night if it's the weekend, you can get on the ground, and so I can stay home. 1869.8265 1432 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1869.8265 (pause 0.34) 1870.1669 1433 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1870.1669 On the trees, but on the street when I gotta drive, I don't like that. 1872.8852 1434 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1872.8852 (pause 1.16) 1874.0482 1435 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1874.0482 But I do like 1874.7337 1436 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1874.7337 (pause 0.34) 1875.0779 1437 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1875.0779 the fact that my children, know, see, like true- well, construction not 1878.1136 1438 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1878.1136 (pause 0.11) 1878.2199 1439 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1878.2199 counting. 1878.6094 1440 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1878.6094 (pause 0.51) 1879.1201 1441 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1879.1201 But my children know true seasons. I love 1881.2786 1442 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1881.2786 (pause 0.14) 1881.4228 1443 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1881.4228 Rochester's rich history with black folks. 1883.2843 1444 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1883.2843 (pause 0.34) 1883.6199 1445 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1883.6199 I don't think we talk about that enough. 1885.0476 1446 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1885.0476 (pause 0.14) 1885.1847 1447 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1885.1847 Um, 1885.7898 1448 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1885.7898 (pause 0.92) 1886.7125 1449 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1886.7125 I love its proximity to everything else. 1888.2631 1450 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1888.2631 (pause 0.26) 1888.5279 1451 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1888.5279 Like you can get from downtown Rochester to 1890.1920 1452 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1890.1920 (pause 0.52) 1890.7120 1453 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1890.7120 anywhere pretty much in twenty minutes. 1892.3051 1454 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1892.3051 (pause 1.82) 1894.1260 1455 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1894.1260 I like that my family is here. I like, 1896.1400 1456 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1896.1400 (pause 0.35) 1896.4945 1457 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1896.4945 you know- 1897.0098 1458 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1897.0098 (pause 0.42) 1897.4314 1459 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1897.4314 I just think that Rochester has such a rich 1899.2562 1460 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1899.2562 (pause 0.13) 1899.3838 1461 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1899.3838 legacy, 1900.0262 1462 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1900.0262 (pause 0.18) 1900.2017 1463 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1900.2017 and 1900.7926 1464 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1900.7926 (pause 0.41) 1901.2039 1465 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1901.2039 it's one of those things that- particularly black people, we don't always own our place in Rochester, 1905.6108 1466 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1905.6108 (pause 0.40) 1906.0079 1467 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1906.0079 and we don't own the ways that we helped build this city. 1908.3338 1468 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1908.3338 (pause 0.43) 1908.7687 1469 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1908.7687 And, um, 1909.5592 1470 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1909.5592 (pause 0.08) 1909.6408 1471 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1909.6408 learning about Rochester's history, you know, July sixty-four, 1913.0120 1472 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1913.0120 (pause 0.36) 1913.3722 1473 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1913.3722 learning about Jefferson Avenue, Corn Hill, and 1916.1945 1474 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1916.1945 (pause 0.40) 1916.5963 1475 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1916.5963 Clarissa, and Pythodd or Pythodd, depending on who- who you talking to. 1919.9489 1476 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1919.9489 (pause 0.42) 1920.3649 1477 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1920.3649 And jazz and blues and, 1922.2606 1478 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1922.2606 (pause 0.22) 1922.4828 1479 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1922.4828 you know, cooking and, 1923.6742 1480 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1923.6742 (pause 0.31) 1923.9814 1481 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1923.9814 you know, dancing. I remember my own neighborhood block parties and a motorcycle club, and, 1927.9723 1482 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1927.9723 (pause 0.36) 1928.3316 1483 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1928.3316 you know, 1928.6920 1484 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1928.6920 (pause 0.15) 1928.8457 1485 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1928.8457 a- just- Rochester. So I love 1931.3207 1486 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1931.3207 (pause 0.53) 1931.8549 1487 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1931.8549 a lot 1932.4019 1488 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1932.4019 (pause 0.11) 1932.5142 1489 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1932.5142 about- I think every area of this city has, 1935.2737 1490 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1935.2737 (pause 0.44) 1935.7134 1491 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1935.7134 uh, a unique 1936.6880 1492 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1936.6880 (pause 0.09) 1936.7767 1493 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1936.7767 story that helps quilt this thing together. 1939.6764 1494 ROC_int_01 1940.1925 Mm. 1940.4242 1495 ROC_int_01 1940.4242 (pause 0.75) 1941.1758 1496 ROC_int_01 1941.1758 I like the way you put that. 1942.2395 1497 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1942.4239 [Thank you.] 1943.0526 1498 ROC_int_01 1942.4712 [] 1943.0715 1499 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1943.5774 [] 1943.7901 1500 ROC_int_01 1943.6247 [Um], 1944.1730 1501 ROC_int_01 1944.3432 so 1944.9862 1502 ROC_int_01 1944.9862 (pause 0.67) 1945.6575 1503 ROC_int_01 1945.6575 what are some of the major changes, I guess in your lifetime, you feel like the city has gone through? 1951.1705 1504 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1952.3060 Um, 1952.8874 1505 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1952.8874 (pause 0.31) 1953.1995 1506 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1953.1995 well I didn't like that they tore my street down. Like I really (laughing) was traumatized, and 1956.8585 1507 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1956.8585 (pause 0.43) 1957.2840 1508 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1957.2840 I had to work at /RD-SCHOOL-4/, and I was mad every day for a while. I'm like, you know, I used to live up under this doggone school. 1962.3196 1509 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1962.3196 (pause 0.49) 1962.8113 1510 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1962.8113 You know, and my h- my- my neighborhood was so precious. It wasn't perfect, but it was ours, you [know.] 1967.2323 1511 ROC_int_01 1967.1755 [Mm.] 1967.3883 1512 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1967.8563 Um, 1968.4228 1513 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1968.4228 (pause 0.09) 1968.5107 1514 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1968.5107 I think that the educatio- uh, 1969.8358 1515 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1969.8358 (pause 0.07) 1969.9102 1516 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1969.9102 RCSD 1970.7874 1517 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1970.7874 (pause 0.08) 1970.8666 1518 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1970.8666 is- 1971.3681 1519 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1971.3681 (pause 0.45) 1971.8221 1520 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1971.8221 I have such fond memories of school, 1974.2520 1521 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1974.2520 (pause 0.47) 1974.7248 1522 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1974.7248 and- 1975.2645 1523 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1975.2645 (pause 0.37) 1975.6380 1524 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1975.6380 even though I was one of only a few black kids in that school, which is a shame. 1978.9425 1525 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1978.9425 (pause 0.51) 1979.4483 1526 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1979.4483 But I remember going on field trips. We'd be at the Eastman Theatre looking at Paddington the bear. I still love Paddington the bear. 1984.6352 1527 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1984.6352 (pause 0.47) 1985.1032 1528 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1985.1032 Fro- I remember going on par- 1986.4067 1529 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1986.4067 (pause 0.09) 1986.4918 1530 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1986.4918 on trips to Letchworth. 1987.6555 1531 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1987.6555 (pause 0.29) 1987.9424 1532 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1987.9424 Just like, we had 1988.7283 1533 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1988.7283 (pause 0.13) 1988.8571 1534 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1988.8571 just so many experiences. Recess, 1991.3430 1535 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1991.3430 (pause 0.40) 1991.7462 1536 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1991.7462 art. 1992.0487 1537 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1992.0487 (pause 0.46) 1992.5081 1538 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1992.5081 I remember auditioning 1993.7601 1539 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1993.7601 (pause 0.09) 1993.8523 1540 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1993.8523 for, um, 1995.2751 1541 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1995.2751 (pause 0.10) 1995.3791 1542 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1995.3791 choir. I never could sing, 1996.7264 1543 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1996.7264 (pause 0.44) 1997.1708 1544 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1997.1708 but we had this like really dramatic, uh, 1999.3975 1545 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1999.3975 (pause 0.36) 1999.7623 1546 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 1999.7623 music teacher. And I went down, and I had this theory that if I sang 2002.6035 1547 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2002.6035 (pause 0.39) 2002.9912 1548 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2002.9912 in a quiet voice 2004.2156 1549 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2004.2156 (pause 0.18) 2004.4000 1550 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2004.4000 for all the notes until I got to high notes and then I yelled for the high notes. That was, you know, me hitting a high note. 2008.6933 1551 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2008.6933 (pause 0.35) 2009.0479 1552 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2009.0479 And he was like, oh that was very dreadful. 2010.8585 1553 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2010.8585 (pause 0.33) 2011.1895 1554 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2011.1895 And even being rejected, I don't think that kids in the cities get rejected. Like, I had to, 2015.1755 1555 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2015.1755 (pause 0.23) 2015.4025 1556 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2015.4025 you know, audition. I didn't just get on choir because I was there, or I didn't just- 2018.6558 1557 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2018.6558 (pause 0.28) 2018.9395 1558 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2018.9395 you know, we got a certificate. 2020.1071 1559 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2020.1071 (pause 0.47) 2020.5799 1560 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2020.5799 So um, I have 2021.4872 1561 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2021.4872 (pause 0.14) 2021.6278 1562 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2021.6278 really good penmanship 2022.7104 1563 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2022.7104 (pause 0.20) 2022.9072 1564 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2022.9072 because we had to write. That was, you know- we got a grade for that. 2025.6074 1565 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2025.6074 (pause 0.49) 2026.0991 1566 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2026.0991 So my educational experiences, 2028.4534 1567 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2028.4534 (pause 0.39) 2028.8457 1568 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2028.8457 um- it makes me sad when I look at some of the things that these kids are missing out on. I'm very committed, 2033.7962 1569 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2033.7962 (pause 0.45) 2034.2501 1570 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2034.2501 you know, we were committed to city living. We could live somewhere else, but love- 2037.3088 1571 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2037.3088 (pause 0.50) 2037.8107 1572 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2037.8107 love the city, love neighborhoods, 2039.3235 1573 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2039.3235 (pause 0.35) 2039.6686 1574 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2039.6686 you know, um, 2040.6046 1575 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2040.6046 (pause 0.84) 2041.4461 1576 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2041.4461 love my street. It has a lot of diversity. 2043.3088 1577 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2043.3088 (pause 0.10) 2043.4136 1578 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2043.4136 Um, I hate the word diversity and inclusion but whatever. 2045.8482 1579 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2045.8482 (pause 0.58) 2046.4250 1580 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2046.4250 Um, 2046.8316 1581 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2046.8316 (pause 1.17) 2047.9992 1582 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2047.9992 but just really 2048.8880 1583 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2048.8880 (pause 0.32) 2049.2095 1584 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2049.2095 I like the n- I like neighborhoods. I like that each 2051.3897 1585 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2051.3897 (pause 0.30) 2051.6922 1586 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2051.6922 area has its own identity. 2053.1577 1587 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2053.1577 (pause 0.60) 2053.7581 1588 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2053.7581 But I think that in some ways, it gets in, uh- in the way 2056.1605 1589 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2056.1605 (pause 0.52) 2056.6853 1590 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2056.6853 because people are like, I'm from over here and this is what we- just like, okay well 2059.4083 1591 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2059.4083 (pause 0.41) 2059.8196 1592 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2059.8196 alright take that over there and get 'em some of that. 2061.4317 1593 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2061.4317 (pause 0.25) 2061.6831 1594 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2061.6831 You know, I'm always 2062.5624 1595 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2062.5624 (pause 0.27) 2062.8366 1596 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2062.8366 talking about, when we did the Fresh Air Fund and the Fresh Air Fund, 2065.7629 1597 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2065.7629 (pause 0.33) 2066.0938 1598 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2066.0938 you know, folks go downstate, and they take urban kids and they, 2068.6947 1599 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2068.6947 (pause 0.27) 2068.9642 1600 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2068.9642 you know, take them 2069.7159 1601 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2069.7159 (pause 0.08) 2069.7915 1602 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2069.7915 from downstate to upstate rather. And they take 'em to farms. 2072.5051 1603 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2072.5051 (pause 0.30) 2072.8076 1604 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2072.8076 I'm like, well why can't somebody go from Browncroft 2074.8299 1605 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2074.8299 (pause 0.07) 2074.8960 1606 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2074.8960 neighborhood, and get somebody off of 2076.3494 1607 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2076.3494 (pause 0.27) 2076.6188 1608 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2076.6188 Joseph Avenue, 2077.4556 1609 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2077.4556 (pause 0.19) 2077.6494 1610 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2077.6494 and take those kids, and let them experience some stuff cause you have people who haven't been off their blocks. 2081.3755 1611 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2081.3755 (pause 0.50) 2081.8766 1612 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2081.8766 So I think that we can do a better job of 2083.6494 1613 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2083.6494 (pause 0.35) 2084.0040 1614 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2084.0040 ka- talking across communities 2085.6397 1615 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2085.6397 (pause 0.40) 2086.0376 1616 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2086.0376 as well as, you know, our city schoo- our schools man. 2088.9734 1617 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2088.9734 (pause 0.94) 2089.9094 1618 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2089.9094 Charter schools can't be- 2091.2103 1619 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2091.2103 (pause 0.14) 2091.3466 1620 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2091.3466 2091.9147 1621 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2091.9147 (pause 0.76) 2092.6711 1622 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2092.6711 2093.3188 1623 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2093.3188 (pause 0.12) 2093.4417 1624 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2093.4417 [I c- I could cry] about it. 2094.4534 1625 ROC_int_01 2093.4718 [I know.] 2093.9333 1626 ROC_int_01 2095.3610 Mm-hm. 2095.8432 1627 ROC_int_01 2095.8432 (pause 0.57) 2096.4153 1628 ROC_int_01 2096.4153 Yeah. 2096.8265 1629 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2097.8769 You know, yeah. (laughing) 2098.5955 1630 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2098.5955 (pause 1.33) 2099.9286 1631 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2099.9286 [Yeah. Yeah.] 2102.1411 1632 ROC_int_01 2101.3090 [Mm-mm.] 2101.9567 1633 ROC_int_01 2102.3680 I mean just looking at the graduation rates, it's just like- 2105.4086 1634 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2106.0515 Right, and then you wonder how many of those kids have just been pushed through. 2108.6895 1635 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2108.6895 (pause 0.58) 2109.2709 1636 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2109.2709 Cause then they come to school, and we looking at their stuff. And I'm like- 2111.5268 1637 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2111.5268 (pause 0.85) 2112.3777 1638 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2112.3777 but I had to tell somebody recently, 2113.6447 1639 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2113.6447 (pause 0.24) 2113.8811 1640 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2113.8811 y'all kids in Irondequoit, 2114.8124 1641 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2114.8124 (pause 0.15) 2114.9589 1642 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2114.9589 if you all call my kids dumb, are dumb too. 2116.4698 1643 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2116.4698 (pause 0.52) 2116.9851 1644 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2116.9851 I see the way they write. 2117.8849 1645 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2117.8849 (pause 0.15) 2118.0362 1646 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2118.0362 I- I see the things that they say to c- 2119.3449 1647 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2119.3449 (pause 0.24) 2119.5860 1648 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2119.5860 you know, critical thinking. 2120.7962 1649 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2120.7962 (pause 0.42) 2121.2123 1650 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2121.2123 You know, but they have more opportunity, and they have more people who are willing to work with them and give them supportive services. 2125.3733 1651 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2125.3733 (pause 0.46) 2125.8318 1652 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2125.8318 You know, we look at, um, special education, 2128.2239 1653 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2128.2239 (pause 0.30) 2128.5218 1654 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2128.5218 and we always think of the remedial courses, but we don't consider, you know, major achievement or anything like that. 2133.0799 1655 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2133.0799 (pause 0.55) 2133.6283 1656 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2133.6283 I think we need more, um, hands on, exploratory, expeditionary learning. 2137.3591 1657 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2137.3591 (pause 0.51) 2137.8697 1658 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2137.8697 I think that we need, um, more people who are invested in- in- 2141.2664 1659 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2141.2664 (pause 0.09) 2141.3544 1660 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2141.3544 in these 2141.7713 1661 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2141.7713 (pause 0.08) 2141.8517 1662 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2141.8517 urban schools 2142.9750 1663 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2142.9750 (pause 0.31) 2143.2806 1664 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2143.2806 and not the ones 2144.6013 1665 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2144.6013 (pause 0.48) 2145.0785 1666 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2145.0785 who are not true urban communities. Like if you are, 2148.1333 1667 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2148.1333 (pause 0.30) 2148.4311 1668 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2148.4311 you know, Browncroft, it's not a true- like there's street signs on Brown. Y'all don't even look like the rest of the city. 2152.7378 1669 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2152.7378 (pause 0.54) 2153.2776 1670 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2153.2776 You know, the nineteenth ward has something very beautiful happening. 2155.9392 1671 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2155.9392 (pause 0.28) 2156.2223 1672 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2156.2223 But we can duplicate that throughout- 2157.8609 1673 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2157.8609 (pause 0.12) 2157.9815 1674 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2157.9815 but if you see the schools, they don't represent 2159.8674 1675 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2159.8674 (pause 0.29) 2160.1558 1676 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2160.1558 the neighborhoods, 2160.9547 1677 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2160.9547 (pause 0.52) 2161.4756 1678 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2161.4756 you know. And so, um, 2163.2626 1679 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2163.2626 (pause 0.51) 2163.7732 1680 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2163.7732 level of poverty, it's, uh, disheartening, the le- the level of violence. 2166.9642 1681 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2166.9642 (pause 0.65) 2167.6127 1682 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2167.6127 You know, um, 2168.8608 1683 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2168.8608 (pause 1.09) 2169.9528 1684 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2169.9528 I want more people to use the libraries 2171.7067 1685 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2171.7067 (pause 0.21) 2171.9194 1686 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2171.9194 I- I made a commitment like eight months ago 2173.9673 1687 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2173.9673 (pause 0.21) 2174.1753 1688 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2174.1753 not to buy, 2174.9789 1689 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2174.9789 (pause 0.45) 2175.4328 1690 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2175.4328 um, 2175.8819 1691 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2175.8819 (pause 0.20) 2176.0852 1692 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2176.0852 books cause I have 2177.1867 1693 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2177.1867 (pause 0.68) 2177.8627 1694 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2177.8627 a million and one books. 2178.8980 1695 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2178.8980 (pause 0.34) 2179.2392 1696 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2179.2392 And I've been using my- I go to everybody library. Everybody at my house, I'm using everybody's library card. Like if I stay here long, know I'm gonna use your library card. 2184.6681 1697 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2184.6681 (pause 0.71) 2185.3763 1698 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2185.3763 Yeah. 2185.6749 1699 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2185.6749 (pause 0.09) 2185.7612 1700 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2185.7612 So I don't know if we use enough sense that says listen to you talking about Adams Street. My son had to take 2189.8249 1701 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2189.8249 (pause 0.39) 2190.2125 1702 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2190.2125 swimming lessons there when he was, um- 2192.1532 1703 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2192.1532 (pause 0.08) 2192.2375 1704 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2192.2375 for boy scouts and almost an eagle scout. 2194.5140 1705 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2194.5140 (pause 0.39) 2194.9064 1706 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2194.9064 So I wanted to make sure I used all areas in the city. Like I'm using all these libraries. So I'm gonna- 2198.9350 1707 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2198.9350 (pause 0.54) 2199.4739 1708 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2199.4739 that's something I'm taking away from the day. 2200.8496 1709 ROC_int_01 2201.6541 Yeah 2202.0040 1710 ROC_int_01 2202.0040 (pause 0.33) 2202.3349 1711 ROC_int_01 2202.3349 [Okay.] 2202.9069 1712 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2202.5098 [Mm.] 2202.8124 1713 ROC_int_01 2203.1858 Uh, I don't wanna- I know you hate this word [diversity, but] 2206.5376 1714 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2205.9325 [No, what? No no, go] ahead. 2206.8733 1715 ROC_int_01 2207.1049 I'm [curious to know-] [] 2208.9400 1716 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2207.3744 [It's all we got.] 2207.9803 1717 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2207.9803 (pause 0.88) 2208.8644 1718 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2208.8644 [It's] all we got right now. 2209.8051 1719 ROC_int_01 2209.9452 [whether] or not you, uh perceive Rochester to be a demographically 2214.9022 1720 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2209.9659 [] 2210.0226 1721 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2215.3324 [Diverse?] 2215.8240 1722 ROC_int_01 2215.6680 [diverse] place? 2217.0957 1723 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2217.2990 Um, 2217.8758 1724 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2217.8758 (pause 0.34) 2218.2161 1725 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2218.2161 theoretically, you could look around and say, 2220.1295 1726 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2220.1295 (pause 0.26) 2220.3869 1727 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2220.3869 um, that we have this group of black folks and this group of white folks, but when you do the scramble, and I think there was a study 2225.4595 1728 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2225.4595 (pause 0.33) 2225.7912 1729 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2225.7912 that was just released that, you know, New York schools were th- you know, some of the most segregated. 2230.0034 1730 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2230.0034 (pause 0.38) 2230.3816 1731 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2230.3816 So if you do it demographically 2232.0985 1732 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2232.0985 (pause 0.22) 2232.3207 1733 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2232.3207 in terms of just numbers, and you look, okay. Well you might see some numbers that might make you think that, 2236.6889 1734 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2236.6889 (pause 0.40) 2237.0907 1735 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2237.0907 but when you start looking at how the neighborhoods mix. I know my neighborhood- I live 2240.4812 1736 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2240.4812 (pause 0.43) 2240.9066 1737 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2240.9066 on /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Avenue in the city 2242.2492 1738 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2242.2492 (pause 0.18) 2242.4289 1739 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2242.4289 but I live, and I hate to say this, I live between /RD-ADDRESS-4/. 2244.7935 1740 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2244.7935 (pause 0.18) 2244.9731 1741 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2244.9731 When people hear that, like, oh 2245.8902 1742 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2245.8902 (pause 0.45) 2246.3393 1743 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2246.3393 that's not- that's different. 2247.4314 1744 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2247.4314 (pause 0.15) 2247.5779 1745 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2247.5779 That's upper /RD-ADDRESS-1/. I'm like, we on upper /RD-ADDRESS-1/? 2249.4217 1746 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2249.4217 (pause 0.29) 2249.7100 1747 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2249.7100 But if you look at how the street is structured, 2251.2378 1748 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2251.2378 (pause 0.50) 2251.7390 1749 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2251.7390 all the other part of /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Avenue goes together, 2253.6819 1750 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2253.6819 (pause 0.27) 2253.9561 1751 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2253.9561 then you get the significant gap, 2255.5454 1752 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2255.5454 (pause 0.15) 2255.6911 1753 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2255.6911 and then you cross over, 2256.8786 1754 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2256.8786 (pause 0.19) 2257.0724 1755 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2257.0724 and here I am. 2257.7059 1756 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2257.7059 (pause 0.61) 2258.3157 1757 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2258.3157 And 2258.7317 1758 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2258.7317 (pause 0.15) 2258.8830 1759 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2258.8830 my next door neighbor is a English professor at FLCC. 2261.0671 1760 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2261.0671 (pause 0.25) 2261.3176 1761 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2261.3176 Lady down the street is the head director at the library. 2263.0960 1762 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2263.0960 (pause 0.32) 2263.4128 1763 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2263.4128 You got black and white folks. My cousin own a house right on the corner that we wanted to buy incidentally, but 2267.0882 1764 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2267.0882 (pause 0.10) 2267.1887 1765 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2267.1887 they paid too much for it. 2268.3170 1766 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2268.3170 (pause 0.53) 2268.8427 1767 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2268.8427 But, 2269.2347 1768 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2269.2347 (pause 0.14) 2269.3789 1769 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2269.3789 you know, um, so I think the numbers are there, and I think- 2272.2161 1770 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2272.2161 (pause 0.26) 2272.4762 1771 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2272.4762 so if you look at Browncroft, all white. You look at Joseph, all black. So you- 2275.9611 1772 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2275.9611 (pause 0.12) 2276.0841 1773 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2276.0841 mix- oh well you got fifty and fifty. That sound good. /Half and-/ 2278.2445 1774 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2278.2445 (pause 0.43) 2278.6700 1775 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2278.6700 But then when you start like, wait a minute, wait a minute. What do those neighborhoods look like and, 2282.0557 1776 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2282.0557 (pause 0.52) 2282.5710 1777 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2282.5710 um, how do they mix together? What do the schools in those neighborhoods look like? But, you know, white folks still 2286.7509 1778 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2286.7509 (pause 0.40) 2287.1527 1779 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2287.1527 are m- you know, the majority 2288.3913 1780 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2288.3913 (pause 0.16) 2288.5521 1781 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2288.5521 in this area, 2289.3557 1782 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2289.3557 (pause 0.26) 2289.6205 1783 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2289.6205 you know. 2290.0601 1784 ROC_int_01 2291.4973 Yeah. 2291.7715 1785 ROC_int_01 2291.7715 (pause 0.39) 2292.1647 1786 ROC_int_01 2292.1647 Okay. 2292.5476 1787 ROC_int_01 2292.5476 (pause 0.13) 2292.6800 1788 ROC_int_01 2292.6800 Cool. 2293.1291 1789 ROC_int_01 2293.1291 (pause 0.40) 2293.5309 1790 ROC_int_01 2293.5309 Um, so 2294.5456 1791 ROC_int_01 2294.5456 (pause 0.13) 2294.6744 1792 ROC_int_01 2294.6744 my next 2295.2139 1793 ROC_int_01 2295.2139 (pause 0.34) 2295.5496 1794 ROC_int_01 2295.5496 couple [questions I] guess are more language [related], 2298.6233 1795 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2296.3154 [Mm-hm.] 2296.5525 1796 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2296.5525 (pause 1.98) 2298.5334 1797 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2298.5334 [Mm-hm.] 2298.8029 1798 ROC_int_01 2299.0251 and um, 2299.7605 1799 ROC_int_01 2299.7605 (pause 1.22) 2300.9849 1800 ROC_int_01 2300.9849 yeah. So I always ask whether or not 2303.5197 1801 ROC_int_01 2303.5197 (pause 0.33) 2303.8459 1802 ROC_int_01 2303.8459 you perceive or have been told by someone else that you have a 2308.2141 1803 ROC_int_01 2308.2141 (pause 0.20) 2308.4182 1804 ROC_int_01 2308.4182 Rochesterian accent. 2310.0634 1805 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2310.9143 Well, I don't, but it's funny because 2313.3915 1806 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2313.3915 (pause 0.35) 2313.7461 1807 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2313.7461 we were laughing about that the other day. Someone said milk (atypical pronunciation) or milk- I can't even do milk like that, /but it-/ 2319.0133 1808 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2319.0133 (pause 0.24) 2319.2544 1809 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2319.2544 so I'm kind of- I'm like, what 2320.1129 1810 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2320.1129 (pause 0.12) 2320.2358 1811 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2320.2358 is that. And I'm like, that's a Rochester? 2322.0228 1812 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2322.0228 (pause 0.49) 2322.5144 1813 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2322.5144 And so, you know, when you travel other places like if you go down south, you from New York, so everybody sound cool, 2327.2569 1814 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2327.2569 (pause 0.24) 2327.4980 1815 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2327.4980 so that I'm a rapper. 2328.3206 1816 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2328.3206 (pause 0.16) 2328.4813 1817 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2328.4813 You know, I gotta go down there like, yo what's up son. Yo kid. Yo what's up. 2331.3706 1818 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2331.3706 (pause 0.36) 2331.7299 1819 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2331.7299 I'm like, what am I saying? Like this is not even me. Like, what- all of a sudden I'm in a DMX video, 2335.5742 1820 ROC_int_01 2335.7822 [] 2336.7041 1821 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2336.1557 [you know.] So, um, 2337.8481 1822 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2337.9379 I've never heard that for me particularly, but I've heard- 2340.5948 1823 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2340.5948 (pause 0.48) 2341.0731 1824 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2341.0731 in particular, but I've heard other people, and I'm like, oh, 2343.2052 1825 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2343.2052 (pause 0.30) 2343.5077 1826 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2343.5077 that must be 2344.5431 1827 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2344.5431 (pause 0.37) 2344.9118 1828 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2344.9118 what we sound like to other people, but there's a- that- 2347.5978 1829 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2347.5978 (pause 0.28) 2347.8815 1830 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2347.8815 that milk (atypical pronunciation) or milk- I'm like, what? Or onion (atypical pronunciation), onion. I'm like, what is that? But I've heard it. 2352.7697 1831 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2352.7697 (pause 0.35) 2353.1204 1832 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2353.1204 But I think that my speech patterns have been 2354.9623 1833 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2354.9623 (pause 0.11) 2355.0758 1834 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2355.0758 more influenced by my grandmother. 2356.6518 1835 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2356.6518 (pause 0.43) 2357.0773 1836 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2357.0773 So I get more often, oh you sound like you from the South, or- and I'm like, oh 2359.9666 1837 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2359.9666 (pause 0.17) 2360.1320 1838 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2360.1320 kay /well I'll come on/ y'all. 2361.3754 1839 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2361.3754 (pause 0.26) 2361.6354 1840 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2361.6354 Cause I say- I don't say, uh, 2363.0131 1841 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2363.0131 (pause 0.09) 2363.1076 1842 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2363.1076 pop. I say soda. 2364.2402 1843 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2364.2402 (pause 0.28) 2364.5205 1844 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2364.5205 I say denim and tennis shoes, you know, and so, 2367.0532 1845 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2367.0532 (pause 0.40) 2367.4524 1846 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2367.4524 um- but yeah, I definitely have heard the Rochester- 2369.9674 1847 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2369.9674 (pause 0.43) 2370.4023 1848 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2370.4023 and when I hear it, it's- I'm like, oh where they- oh, Rochester. Sorry. 2372.7944 1849 ROC_int_01 2373.1215 [Mm-hm.] And who do you hear it among? Is like younger folks, older- 2376.1766 1850 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2373.2048 [] 2373.4713 1851 ROC_int_01 2376.3492 like- 2376.7474 1852 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2377.0264 Well, my son is younger than me but- so- but I don't even know where he got- I'm like- he was /all/ like, what's a milk? (atypical pronunciation) Like, what? I can't even- like milk? 2383.6362 1853 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2383.6362 (pause 0.70) 2384.3333 1854 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2384.3333 Um, 2384.7186 1855 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2384.7186 (pause 0.13) 2384.8439 1856 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2384.8439 probably younger folks, probably more aro- amongst my students, 2387.4224 1857 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2387.4224 (pause 0.17) 2387.5878 1858 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2387.5878 you know, white folks, 2388.6468 1859 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2388.6468 (pause 0.49) 2389.1337 1860 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2389.1337 you know, more- I don't really think that 2390.9593 1861 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2390.9593 (pause 0.17) 2391.1295 1862 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2391.1295 black folks really have this Rochester thing. 2393.4555 1863 ROC_int_01 2394.1788 Yeah, tha- [yeah, that's been something] that I've been [hearing.] 2397.0681 1864 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2395.0912 [] 2396.1273 1865 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2396.1273 (pause 0.87) 2396.9972 1866 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2396.9972 [I've] [heard it too, or l- yeah. I was like, uh.] 2398.9213 1867 ROC_int_01 2397.2678 [Folks that are like, uh, no], [/literally/] sound like [though. ] 2400.9304 1868 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2399.0678 [] 2399.5500 1869 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2399.5500 (pause 0.82) 2400.3679 1870 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2400.3679 [Uh-uh.] I was like, what? I'm /confusled/. 2402.8790 1871 ROC_int_01 2402.9404 But I get this, um, 2404.3114 1872 ROC_int_01 2404.3114 (pause 0.72) 2405.0300 1873 ROC_int_01 2405.0300 Southern thing a [lot] [in interviews], and so I just wonder like what, you know, infuences maybe on the way we pronounce things, [you know.] 2413.5127 1874 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2406.1599 [Right.] 2406.6231 1875 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2406.6231 (pause 0.14) 2406.7650 1876 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2406.7650 [Right.] 2407.1810 1877 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2407.1810 (pause 6.05) 2413.2291 1878 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2413.2291 [Right], right 2414.1604 1879 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2414.3022 [Right.] 2414.8542 1880 ROC_int_01 2414.3176 [Uh], 2414.7431 1881 ROC_int_01 2415.0748 that has had from [our-] 2416.2385 1882 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2416.1535 [Right.] 2416.6120 1883 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2416.9193 Hm. 2417.3164 1884 ROC_int_01 2417.6804 yeah, our ancestors. So 2419.3161 1885 ROC_int_01 2419.3161 (pause 0.43) 2419.7416 1886 ROC_int_01 2419.7416 yeah. 2420.0773 1887 ROC_int_01 2420.0773 (pause 0.10) 2420.1813 1888 ROC_int_01 2420.1813 I always like to ask, [and] 2421.6194 1889 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2421.3348 [Yeah.] 2421.5901 1890 ROC_int_01 2422.1440 yeah so the people who tell you you're from New York though are, uh, 2425.4769 1891 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2425.4863 If you go [down south], [yeah.] 2426.7769 1892 ROC_int_01 2425.7936 [folks] 2426.2096 1893 ROC_int_01 2426.2096 (pause 0.35) 2426.5642 1894 ROC_int_01 2426.5642 [who-] if you go down south. [But the people] who tell you you're- you sound Southern are folks- 2431.0628 1895 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2427.7441 [Okay.] 2428.0939 1896 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2431.1062 Here. 2431.5789 1897 ROC_int_01 2431.7586 Yeah, okay. 2432.3211 1898 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2432.3873 Yeah. 2432.7135 1899 ROC_int_01 2433.2950 Isn't that [interesting?] 2434.1885 1900 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2433.9758 [It- it-] it's just like, oh, uh, okay oh you know they say I sound like y'all. Girl, stop. 2437.9713 1901 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2438.3070 You don't sound like us. Oh sorry. 2439.7471 1902 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2439.7471 (pause 0.10) 2439.8481 1903 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2439.8481 But they hear New York and it's j- you know, New York is just New York City 2442.1457 1904 ROC_int_01 2442.4246 [Mm-hm.] 2442.9872 1905 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2442.7130 [which- ugh.] 2443.4135 1906 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2443.7208 [Been there], ugh. 2445.4179 1907 ROC_int_01 2444.4677 [Right.] 2444.8175 1908 ROC_int_01 2445.9379 [] 2446.5478 1909 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2446.3729 [Sorry.] 2446.9118 1910 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2447.1434 We were just there. I was like, I don't get it. It's- this is- uh okay, 2449.4580 1911 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2449.4580 (pause 0.11) 2449.5667 1912 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2449.5667 ugh. 2449.8740 1913 ROC_int_01 2450.5169 Yeah. 2451.0275 1914 ROC_int_01 2451.0275 (pause 0.11) 2451.1362 1915 ROC_int_01 2451.1362 2451.9115 1916 ROC_int_01 2451.9115 (pause 0.45) 2452.3606 1917 ROC_int_01 2452.3606 Well, um, 2453.2124 1918 ROC_int_01 2453.2124 (pause 0.15) 2453.3637 1919 ROC_int_01 2453.3637 those are all the questions I have, but 2455.3870 1920 ROC_int_01 2455.3870 (pause 0.15) 2455.5377 1921 ROC_int_01 2455.5377 do you have any maybe last thoughts or comments about Rochester, your experiences here? 2460.5233 1922 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2460.9866 No I- I think that, you know, I- I wanna say something about my grandmother who owned a restaurant, uh, Blue Flame, and it was 2466.4902 1923 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2466.4902 (pause 0.38) 2466.8731 1924 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2466.8731 across- what is 2467.6579 1925 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2467.6579 (pause 0.18) 2467.8423 1926 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2467.8423 number- it's Upper Falls and Hudson. 2469.8656 1927 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2469.8656 (pause 0.37) 2470.2344 1928 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2470.2344 She was in that area in probably like the fifties. 2472.2491 1929 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2472.2491 (pause 0.46) 2472.7124 1930 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2472.7124 And, uh, one of the things that she said that she had to get out of business because she had a hard time getting a liquor license, 2477.3690 1931 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2477.3690 (pause 0.33) 2477.6960 1932 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2477.6960 and there's this white gentleman who told her, you know, nudge nudge, and /this is always/ a fine woman. 2481.2558 1933 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2481.2558 (pause 0.43) 2481.6907 1934 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2481.6907 You know, nudge nudge if you wanna, you know, sort of get into bed with me, we could, uh, we could do some things. And she's like, no. 2486.9438 1935 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2486.9438 (pause 0.32) 2487.2652 1936 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2487.2652 And she said, I shut my business down that week. I was like, no. 2489.3737 1937 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2489.3737 (pause 0.43) 2489.8047 1938 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2489.8047 And it just- 2490.4240 1939 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2490.4240 (pause 0.12) 2490.5469 1940 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2490.5469 to me I often wonder she would've had more opportunities and other people would've had more opportunities 2494.9860 1941 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2494.9860 (pause 0.40) 2495.3879 1942 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2495.3879 to, um- and- and going to my own experience in schooling, I know people have had 2499.2889 1943 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2499.2889 (pause 0.23) 2499.5205 1944 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2499.5205 significant mentors, but that's usually the exception in school, 2502.7219 1945 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2502.7219 (pause 0.54) 2503.2608 1946 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2503.2608 um, and so I'm just wondering if more people in Rochester would, 2506.4991 1947 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2506.4991 (pause 0.46) 2506.9577 1948 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2506.9577 uh, lift these- lift people up 2508.8306 1949 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2508.8306 (pause 0.15) 2508.9819 1950 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2508.9819 simply because they could. Like you don't have to get an award for it. You don't have to be 2511.9129 1951 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2511.9129 (pause 0.30) 2512.2155 1952 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2512.2155 noticed or anything, but just because you could. 2514.5564 1953 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2514.5564 (pause 0.61) 2515.1710 1954 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2515.1710 Um, I think that we would have a better community being in- interesting in- in 2518.4802 1955 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2518.4802 (pause 0.10) 2518.5764 1956 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2518.5764 things that did not necessarily 2519.7764 1957 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2519.7764 (pause 0.28) 2520.0553 1958 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2520.0553 impact ourselves on a- on a- 2521.7477 1959 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2521.7477 (pause 0.15) 2521.8943 1960 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2521.8943 a first level 2522.6660 1961 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2522.6660 (pause 0.10) 2522.7677 1962 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2522.7677 but just really, 2523.5063 1963 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2523.5063 (pause 0.48) 2523.9885 1964 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2523.9885 you know, so I- it's good stuff. 2525.4682 1965 ROC_int_01 2525.8236 Yeah. 2526.1735 1966 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2526.3720 [Yeah.] 2526.8637 1967 ROC_int_01 2526.4902 [Okay.] 2526.9677 1968 ROC_int_01 2527.2466 Thank [you. And, um], do you still consent to me using the interview? 2530.9010 1969 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2527.6378 [Thank you.] 2528.6873 1970 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2530.9238 Yeah. 2531.3044 1971 ROC_int_01 2531.3737 Okay, I always [have to] [/inaudible/ it.] 2532.9982 1972 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2531.8788 [Oh], 2532.1140 1973 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2532.1140 (pause 0.28) 2532.3929 1974 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2532.3929 [yes, I consent.] [I consent.] 2533.8157 1975 ROC_int_01 2533.1968 [] 2534.5740 1976 ROC_se0_ag2_f_04 2533.9043 [Uh, yes. ] 2535.0799 1977 ROC_int_01 2535.2051 Thank you. I appreciate it. 2536.5086