Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 ROC_int_01 0.2086 Um, 1.0974 2 ROC_int_01 1.0974 (pause 0.10) 1.1967 3 ROC_int_01 1.1967 so, I'll start off with asking you questions about like, um, 5.1292 4 ROC_int_01 5.1292 (pause 0.66) 5.7863 5 ROC_int_01 5.7863 where you grew up, and you were born here right? 7.8483 6 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 7.9854 I was born and raised here, [yes.] 9.4899 7 ROC_int_01 9.3032 [Okay], 9.7145 8 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 9.6164 [Rochester.] 10.2282 9 ROC_int_01 9.7931 [cool.] 10.0856 10 ROC_int_01 10.4260 Yeah, and what part of Rochester did you grow up? 13.0749 11 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 13.5619 Um, basically the west side, 15.2210 12 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 15.2210 (pause 0.15) 15.3711 13 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 15.3711 but I've lived, 16.6235 14 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 16.6235 (pause 0.12) 16.7441 15 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 16.7441 um, 17.2880 16 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 17.2880 (pause 0.22) 17.5102 17 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 17.5102 three different places in my life 19.3241 18 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 19.3241 (pause 0.16) 19.4848 19 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 19.4848 growing up, 20.2568 20 ROC_int_01 20.5683 [Okay.] 20.8992 21 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 20.8046 [you] know, so. 21.6509 22 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 22.4734 Um, I lived on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Avenue, then I lived on 25.1761 23 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 25.1761 (pause 0.07) 25.2480 24 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 25.2480 /RD-ADDRESS-3/ Avenue, and then 26.9228 25 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 26.9228 (pause 0.32) 27.2443 26 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 27.2443 in the fifth grade, I moved to /RD-ADDRESS-2/, 29.6742 27 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 29.6742 (pause 0.31) 29.9815 28 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 29.9815 and I've been there every- 31.0310 29 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 31.0310 (pause 0.20) 31.2296 30 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 31.2296 well, my mom has been there every since. 32.8897 31 ROC_int_01 33.0221 Mm-hm. 33.5138 32 ROC_int_01 33.5138 (pause 0.09) 33.6083 33 ROC_int_01 33.6083 So the west side is like your home. 35.3669 34 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 35.3746 Yes, oh yeah. 36.2510 35 ROC_int_01 36.4495 [Yeah. ] 37.9131 36 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 36.5299 [Yeah.] 36.9081 37 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 36.9081 (pause 0.17) 37.0783 38 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 37.0783 [Yeah.] 37.4990 39 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 37.4990 (pause 0.16) 37.6550 40 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 37.6550 [Yeah.] 38.1041 41 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 38.5229 When I got married, I moved to /RD-ADDRESS-1/. 40.4896 42 ROC_int_01 40.7354 [Mm-hm.] 41.1637 43 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 40.9698 [N-] you know, 41.5229 44 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 42.0761 just for a short time, and then 44.2375 45 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 44.2375 (pause 0.11) 44.3510 46 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 44.3510 I bought the house 45.3739 47 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 45.3739 (pause 0.55) 45.9270 48 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 45.9270 on /RD-ADDRESS-3/, um, twenty-two years ago. 48.7218 49 ROC_int_01 48.8967 Mm-hm. 49.3978 50 ROC_int_01 49.3978 (pause 0.53) 49.9320 51 ROC_int_01 49.9320 [Yeah], and how would you describe I guess, /RD-ADDRESS-1/, 52.6575 52 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 50.0360 [So-] 50.3008 53 ROC_int_01 52.7314 um, which is like a suburb, in comparison to 55.3241 54 ROC_int_01 55.3241 (pause 0.55) 55.8772 55 ROC_int_01 55.8772 like, uh, the west side of Rochester? 57.8589 56 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 58.2040 I think the people 59.6506 57 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 59.6506 (pause 0.78) 60.4259 58 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 60.4259 where I live at now is friendlier 62.7763 59 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 62.7763 (pause 0.38) 63.1545 60 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 63.1545 than they were 64.1283 61 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 64.1283 (pause 0.23) 64.3600 62 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 64.3600 when I was in /RD-ADDRESS-1/ 65.2677 63 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 65.2677 (pause 0.29) 65.5560 64 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 65.5560 cause, you know, the kids were small then. I only had the two 67.9292 65 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 67.9292 (pause 0.39) 68.3224 66 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 68.3224 when I was in /RD-ADDRESS-1/, but, 69.5327 67 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 69.5327 (pause 0.81) 70.3411 68 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 70.3411 uh, the people were not 72.0051 69 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 72.0051 (pause 0.22) 72.2226 70 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 72.2226 very nice 72.9932 71 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 72.9932 (pause 0.15) 73.1397 72 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 73.1397 [I would say.] 73.7827 73 ROC_int_01 73.2248 [Mm.] 73.6834 74 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 74.6155 Yeah, so 75.4712 75 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 75.4712 (pause 0.28) 75.7549 76 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 75.7549 now, my neighbors are great. 77.4615 77 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 77.4615 (pause 0.43) 77.8870 78 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 77.8870 I actually have, um, kids from RIT next-door. 80.9007 79 ROC_int_01 80.9621 Oh, [okay.] 81.6452 80 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 81.4774 [So it's] like a a rooming house [next-door] 83.4929 81 ROC_int_01 82.8169 [Mm-hm.] 83.3369 82 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 83.6064 and then 84.2209 83 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 84.2209 (pause 0.14) 84.3580 84 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 84.3580 on the other side 85.4217 85 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 85.4217 (pause 0.38) 85.7999 86 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 85.7999 is a parole officer 87.0763 87 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 87.0763 (pause 0.59) 87.6681 88 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 87.6681 [so], 88.1897 89 ROC_int_01 87.8493 [Okay.] 88.3209 90 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 88.5602 yeah, so. 89.2693 91 ROC_int_01 89.6853 So I've been hearing interesting things. 91.5821 92 ROC_int_01 91.5821 (pause 0.07) 91.6530 93 ROC_int_01 91.6530 At least in the nineteenth ward there are a lot of college students now 95.0566 94 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 95.0991 Yes. 95.5010 95 ROC_int_01 95.6428 who d- weren't there [before.] How do you [think they're] changing like the culture of 99.7018 96 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 97.1536 [Yeah.] 97.4893 97 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 97.4893 (pause 0.64) 98.1322 98 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 98.1322 [Mm-hm.] 98.4490 99 ROC_int_01 99.9145 the community I guess? 101.1681 100 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 101.4990 Um, 101.9414 101 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 101.9414 (pause 0.07) 102.0076 102 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 102.0076 I 102.2365 103 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 102.2365 (pause 0.58) 102.8133 104 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 102.8133 think they're good for the most part. It depends on who you have 105.6308 105 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 105.6308 (pause 0.18) 105.8152 106 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 105.8152 in the house. 106.6047 107 ROC_int_01 106.6418 [Okay.] 107.0790 108 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 106.7426 [Cause like] the- 107.7389 109 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 107.8831 the 108.1731 110 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 108.1731 (pause 0.09) 108.2582 111 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 108.2582 group that I have now, I've have 109.9289 112 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 109.9289 (pause 0.33) 110.2551 113 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 110.2551 a little problems with them versus the one I- 112.2312 114 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 112.2312 (pause 0.18) 112.4109 115 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 112.4109 that was staying there 113.4092 116 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 113.4092 (pause 0.36) 113.7732 117 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 113.7732 a couple years ago. They were fine. 115.4089 118 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 115.4089 (pause 0.36) 115.7682 119 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 115.7682 This group here is a bit wild. 117.5221 120 ROC_int_01 118.0705 [Yeah.] 118.5886 121 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 118.4203 [Yeah.] [] 118.9762 122 ROC_int_01 118.8297 [] 119.6901 123 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 119.4584 [They're a] bit wild, but they're in their last year. I- one of 'em 122.4801 124 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 123.0616 well she's U of R. She's going to be a doctor, and the other two 127.1225 125 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 127.1225 (pause 0.11) 127.2275 126 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 127.2275 are engineers. 128.1667 127 ROC_int_01 128.3889 Okay. 128.7387 128 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 128.7482 So- 129.1264 129 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 129.1264 (pause 0.30) 129.4289 130 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 129.4289 but th- all of 'em are in their last year. 131.2490 131 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 131.2490 (pause 0.45) 131.7029 132 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 131.7029 So they- I guess they're just having a little fun, so it doesn't bother [me, but-] 135.0980 133 ROC_int_01 134.7151 [Yeah.] 135.1595 134 ROC_int_01 135.5188 Right. 135.9537 135 ROC_int_01 135.9537 (pause 0.39) 136.3461 136 ROC_int_01 136.3461 And to someone who I guess is not from Rochester, how would you describe, um, 141.4668 137 ROC_int_01 141.4668 (pause 0.40) 141.8639 138 ROC_int_01 141.8639 I guess the west side or like the nineteenth ward? 144.2710 139 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 144.6586 The nineteenth ward is great. There's, um, 146.7813 140 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 146.7813 (pause 0.24) 147.0177 141 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 147.0177 all kinds of things that 148.4568 142 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 148.4568 (pause 0.18) 148.6364 143 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 148.6364 go on. They have little carnivals. 151.1367 144 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 151.1367 (pause 0.53) 151.6670 145 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 151.6670 Um, 152.1256 146 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 152.1256 (pause 0.17) 152.2957 147 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 152.2957 one on Aberdeen they have every year. 154.2766 148 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 154.2766 (pause 0.22) 154.4940 149 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 154.4940 You know, they put up a stage, and the community just come and 157.2880 150 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 157.2880 (pause 0.46) 157.7474 151 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 157.7474 j- they have all kind of vendors. Any vendor can get in it. 160.4890 152 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 160.4890 (pause 0.07) 160.5633 153 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 160.5633 And it 160.8202 154 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 160.8202 (pause 0.40) 161.2173 155 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 161.2173 doesn't cost anything 162.3387 156 ROC_int_01 162.3565 [Mm-hm.] 162.7087 157 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 162.5647 [to be] a vendor. They just want you to come out. 164.4821 158 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 165.1942 And, um, now they're doing 167.2190 159 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 167.2190 (pause 0.32) 167.5405 160 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 167.5405 I think every week like kickball 169.4701 161 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 169.4701 (pause 0.59) 170.0563 162 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 170.0563 for the whole community- well, not for the whole community. I think it's for the whole city cause- 173.7532 163 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 173.7532 (pause 0.63) 174.3867 164 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 174.3867 at, uh, Genesee Park, cause yesterday they had like the east side against the west side. 178.7557 165 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 178.7557 (pause 0.53) 179.2899 166 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 179.2899 So they're just showing that, you know, they can come together 182.0279 167 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 182.0279 (pause 0.44) 182.4723 168 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 182.4723 and play nice, and it's not all, you know, gang banging just because you're in the city. 186.9170 169 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 186.9170 (pause 0.49) 187.4039 170 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 187.4039 So, 187.9192 171 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 187.9192 (pause 0.13) 188.0516 172 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 188.0516 I th- I think that's gonna- it was like fifteen hundred people there [yesterday.] 191.1292 173 ROC_int_01 190.7273 [Wow.] 191.2946 174 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 191.5877 Yeah, 191.9187 175 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 191.9187 (pause 0.09) 192.0132 176 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 192.0132 just for kickball. 192.9343 177 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 192.9343 (pause 0.84) 193.7774 178 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 193.7774 So, um, 194.9829 179 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 194.9829 (pause 0.52) 195.5029 180 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 195.5029 you know, it- it's just not as bad as people say it is, 199.0635 181 ROC_int_01 199.2999 [Yeah.] 199.6356 182 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 199.3756 [you know.] 199.7018 183 ROC_int_01 200.1320 Yeah. 200.5952 184 ROC_int_01 200.5952 (pause 0.31) 200.9025 185 ROC_int_01 200.9025 Um, 201.3989 186 ROC_int_01 201.3989 (pause 0.71) 202.1128 187 ROC_int_01 202.1128 so would you describe then, uh, the community also as diverse 206.5243 188 ROC_int_01 206.5243 (pause 0.13) 206.6520 189 ROC_int_01 206.6520 in terms [of-] 207.5124 190 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 207.3800 [Definitely.] 208.0655 191 ROC_int_01 207.9284 [Yeah.] 208.2451 192 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 208.3019 Definitely diverse. I think years ago it was more 211.8436 193 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 211.8436 (pause 0.62) 212.4676 194 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 212.4676 where I live at 213.4527 195 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 213.4527 (pause 0.12) 213.5732 196 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 213.5732 was more- 214.2546 197 ROC_int_01 214.9968 S- hold on. Let me see. 216.8008 198 ROC_int_01 216.8008 (pause 24.52) 241.3208 199 ROC_int_01 241.3208 Okay. 241.8124 200 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 244.3141 So where I'm at now, 246.4237 201 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 246.4237 (pause 0.08) 246.4994 202 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 246.4994 um, 246.9804 203 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 246.9804 (pause 0.47) 247.4484 204 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 247.4484 years ago it was 248.9187 205 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 248.9187 (pause 0.94) 249.8555 206 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 249.8555 primarily black. 251.0705 207 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 251.0705 (pause 0.53) 251.6047 208 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 251.6047 Like when I moved there, it was just- 253.1600 209 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 253.1600 (pause 0.13) 253.2924 210 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 253.2924 all my neighbors were black. 254.4412 211 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 254.4412 (pause 0.44) 254.8808 212 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 254.8808 Now it's different. 255.5805 213 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 255.5805 (pause 0.56) 256.1439 214 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 256.1439 Now, you know, it's- 257.3589 215 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 257.3589 (pause 0.31) 257.6662 216 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 257.6662 they're white all around me now, so 259.7321 217 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 259.7321 (pause 0.51) 260.2379 218 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 260.2379 it has changed in- 261.7326 219 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 261.7326 (pause 0.66) 262.3897 220 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 262.3897 a lot. 262.9239 221 ROC_int_01 263.1272 [Mm-hm.] 263.6520 222 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 263.1698 [] 263.7134 223 ROC_int_01 263.9545 Yeah, well so where are all the black people going then? 266.0346 224 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 266.0677 They're going out. 266.8619 225 ROC_int_01 267.5285 [Okay.] 267.9501 226 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 267.6144 [I think] they're moving out, you know, because, 269.7418 227 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 270.4698 I think, of the crime in the city. They just want out. 272.9092 228 ROC_int_01 273.4103 [Yeah.] 273.7460 229 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 273.5892 [And they] might can't leave the city, th- but they can certainly maybe go to the suburbs, or just a little bit further out. 278.6614 230 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 279.0302 Maybe not all the way in the suburbs, but 280.9543 231 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 280.9543 (pause 0.37) 281.3277 232 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 281.3277 they're moving out. 282.0416 233 ROC_int_01 282.1645 Mm-hm. 282.5332 234 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 283.0163 [You know], and- and the white people are moving back in. 285.8386 235 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 285.8386 (pause 0.81) 286.6517 236 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 286.6517 I think 287.2663 237 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 287.2663 (pause 0.17) 287.4365 238 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 287.4365 because it's cheaper in the city. 289.0210 239 ROC_int_01 290.0989 [Yeah.] 290.4251 240 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 290.1745 [You know], they went out there and those houses were not (laughing) 292.7982 241 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 293.0724 easy to maintain and keep up and- 295.4937 242 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 295.4937 (pause 0.33) 295.8247 243 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 295.8247 with today's economy with people being laid off and- 298.7557 244 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 298.7557 (pause 0.44) 299.1954 245 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 299.1954 so they weren't able to keep up that lifestyle, so they had to come back. 302.7040 246 ROC_int_01 302.9545 Mm-hm. 303.4131 247 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 303.5927 I- in my opinion it's cheaper. 305.3183 248 ROC_int_01 305.5357 Yeah. 306.0368 249 ROC_int_01 306.0368 (pause 0.42) 306.4584 250 ROC_int_01 306.4584 Um, you touched a little bit like on the economy. 309.4090 251 ROC_int_01 309.4090 (pause 0.08) 309.4887 252 ROC_int_01 309.4887 Um, 309.8811 253 ROC_int_01 309.8811 (pause 0.67) 310.5477 254 ROC_int_01 310.5477 I wanted to talk 311.2032 255 ROC_int_01 311.2032 (pause 0.10) 311.3041 256 ROC_int_01 311.3041 a little bit about Rochester's economy. So Ro- uh, Kodak was like the 315.8216 257 ROC_int_01 315.8216 (pause 0.39) 316.2148 258 ROC_int_01 316.2148 [employer] (laughing) [for everybody.] Did [you ever] work at- 318.6731 259 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 316.3094 [Mm-hm.] 316.5552 260 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 316.5552 (pause 0.47) 317.0279 261 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 317.0279 [Mm-hm.] 317.4061 262 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 317.4061 (pause 0.36) 317.7702 263 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 317.7702 [Mm-hm.] 318.0160 264 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 318.9000 I never worked at Kodak. But I did work for, um, /RD-WORK-2/. 322.5836 265 ROC_int_01 322.7821 Okay. 323.1745 266 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 323.2218 For /RD-WORK-5/. 324.3753 267 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 324.3753 (pause 0.49) 324.8622 268 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 324.8622 So I worked there, and when the economy took a dive 328.7538 269 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 328.7538 (pause 0.23) 328.9854 270 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 328.9854 when General Motors basically took a dive cause 331.2499 271 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 331.2499 (pause 0.45) 331.7032 272 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 331.7032 th- 331.8544 273 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 331.8544 (pause 0.18) 332.0299 274 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 332.0299 they were basically making these SUV's, these big cars. 335.3400 275 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 335.3400 (pause 0.29) 335.6331 276 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 335.6331 So the economy went down, 337.0371 277 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 337.0371 (pause 0.23) 337.2640 278 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 337.2640 so people weren't buying those SUV's because of the gas. [Gas went up], 340.4890 279 ROC_int_01 340.0496 [Mm-hm.] 340.3976 280 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 340.8152 so they couldn't buy that 341.8033 281 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 341.8033 (pause 0.22) 342.0254 282 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 342.0254 no more, so 342.8338 283 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 342.8338 (pause 0.38) 343.2168 284 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 343.2168 a lot of people lost their jobs 344.8714 285 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 344.8714 (pause 0.92) 345.7893 286 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 345.7893 from GM because they weren't selling those models anymore. 348.9000 287 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 348.9000 (pause 0.26) 349.1600 288 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 349.1600 They're getting a- back to it a little bit 350.6502 289 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 350.6502 (pause 0.06) 350.7105 290 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 350.7105 now, but 351.4670 291 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 351.4670 (pause 0.60) 352.0719 292 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 352.0719 people don't buy 'em like they used to. 353.5279 293 ROC_int_01 353.7501 Mm-hm. 354.3088 294 ROC_int_01 354.3088 (pause 0.32) 354.6256 295 ROC_int_01 354.6256 Yeah, that makes sense. So where do people work now, you s- like what characterizes 359.2501 296 ROC_int_01 359.2501 (pause 0.17) 359.4245 297 ROC_int_01 359.4245 sort of the job- the kinds of jobs people get now, I guess? 362.3227 298 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 362.3700 I see a lot, 363.7315 299 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 363.7315 (pause 0.32) 364.0479 300 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 364.0479 um, around like call centers 366.2905 301 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 366.2905 (pause 0.47) 366.7585 302 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 366.7585 where 367.1832 303 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 367.1832 (pause 0.25) 367.4314 304 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 367.4314 a long time ago, you- you- 368.7787 305 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 368.7787 (pause 0.43) 369.2054 306 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 369.2054 maybe one or two call centers. Now 370.8986 307 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 370.8986 (pause 0.34) 371.2390 308 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 371.2390 everyone has call centers. 372.5060 309 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 372.5060 (pause 0.26) 372.7613 310 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 372.7613 So that's basically where people go to get their- 375.3606 311 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 375.3606 (pause 0.13) 375.4930 312 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 375.4930 their 375.7719 313 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 375.7719 (pause 0.13) 375.9066 314 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 375.9066 employment. 376.5102 315 ROC_int_01 376.8911 Mm-hm. 377.3591 316 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 377.4584 Lot of call centers. 378.4890 317 ROC_int_01 378.6525 Yeah. 379.1442 318 ROC_int_01 379.1442 (pause 0.41) 379.5508 319 ROC_int_01 379.5508 And what's interesting about that though is that 381.8152 320 ROC_int_01 381.8152 (pause 0.56) 382.3786 321 ROC_int_01 382.3786 they don't have the same types of benefits 384.9125 322 ROC_int_01 384.9125 (pause 0.13) 385.0437 323 ROC_int_01 385.0437 [I think] as like 385.9431 324 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 385.0863 [Mm-mm.] 385.3652 325 ROC_int_01 386.2599 Delphi and [like] 387.3736 326 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 387.2460 [Oh yeah.] 387.6100 327 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 387.9125 [They're-] 388.1395 328 ROC_int_01 388.0534 [K-] 388.1845 329 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 388.2198 der- they're definitely 389.7907 330 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 389.7907 (pause 0.21) 390.0035 331 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 390.0035 different, but 390.7504 332 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 390.7504 (pause 0.34) 391.0908 333 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 391.0908 with a call center, you really don't need 393.0819 334 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 393.0819 (pause 0.47) 393.5546 335 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 393.5546 the education 394.8311 336 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 394.8311 (pause 0.72) 395.5496 337 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 395.5496 /that/ you know, you could basically go there on a high school diploma. So that's why a lot of people are going there. 400.4765 338 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 400.4765 (pause 0.32) 400.7932 339 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 400.7932 And then those that 401.9515 340 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 401.9515 (pause 0.30) 402.2493 341 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 402.2493 have lost their jobs that can't find employment, they'll go there too 405.2615 342 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 405.2615 (pause 0.29) 405.5546 343 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 405.5546 cause they need a check. 406.3441 344 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 406.3441 (pause 0.26) 406.5994 345 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 406.5994 They gotta pay the bills, so 407.8475 346 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 407.8475 (pause 0.36) 408.2115 347 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 408.2115 you got all kind of people in the call centers. 410.1356 348 ROC_int_01 410.2396 Mm-hm. 410.7312 349 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 410.9448 [Yeah.] 411.2899 350 ROC_int_01 411.0677 [Right.] 411.4081 351 ROC_int_01 411.8619 Yeah. 412.2118 352 ROC_int_01 412.2118 (pause 0.42) 412.6278 353 ROC_int_01 412.6278 I know people, 413.6111 354 ROC_int_01 413.6111 (pause 0.23) 413.8427 355 ROC_int_01 413.8427 /?/ 413.9798 356 ROC_int_01 413.9798 (pause 0.23) 414.2115 357 ROC_int_01 414.2115 yeah, degrees and [stuff like] you said, who [are] there 416.6915 358 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 415.2354 [Mm-hm.] 415.5049 359 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 415.5049 (pause 0.57) 416.0722 360 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 416.0722 [Mm-hm.] 416.3464 361 ROC_int_01 416.8286 [and] 417.1217 362 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 416.9987 [Mm-hm.] 417.3013 363 ROC_int_01 417.8875 make, what, thirteen, 419.0410 364 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 419.1403 Oh yeah. 419.6367 365 ROC_int_01 419.7501 twelve dollars [an hour.] 420.6114 366 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 420.2521 [With degrees.] 421.0510 367 ROC_int_01 421.1661 [Mm-hm.] 421.5632 368 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 421.1897 [Yup.] 421.4131 369 ROC_int_01 421.9656 [Yeah.] 422.2540 370 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 422.1050 [Yup.] 422.3556 371 ROC_int_01 423.5107 Um, 424.0922 372 ROC_int_01 424.0922 (pause 0.38) 424.4751 373 ROC_int_01 424.4751 I wanted to ask a little bit more about 426.6744 374 ROC_int_01 426.6744 (pause 0.06) 426.7370 375 ROC_int_01 426.7370 where you went to school, [like elementary], [middle], yeah. 429.9066 376 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 428.0802 [Okay.] 428.3733 377 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 428.3733 (pause 0.84) 429.2101 378 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 429.2101 [Okay.] 429.5694 379 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 430.3664 So, elementary school, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ School, which was 434.4328 380 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 434.4328 (pause 0.14) 434.5699 381 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 434.5699 like 434.9718 382 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 434.9718 (pause 0.68) 435.6478 383 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 435.6478 around the corner from us. 436.6784 384 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 436.6784 (pause 0.23) 436.9053 385 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 436.9053 M- 436.9857 386 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 436.9857 (pause 0.17) 437.1511 387 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 437.1511 my sister and I walked there. 438.7301 388 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 438.7301 (pause 0.51) 439.2407 389 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 439.2407 Um, 439.6016 390 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 439.6016 (pause 0.11) 439.7127 391 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 439.7127 I 439.8561 392 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 439.8561 (pause 0.35) 440.2043 393 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 440.2043 think when I was younger I was at /RD-SCHOOL-2/, but briefly, 442.7824 394 ROC_int_01 443.0093 [Okay.] 443.3686 395 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 443.2315 [briefly.] So 444.1014 396 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 444.3708 /RD-SCHOOL-3/, I went there in the fifth grade 446.4896 397 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 446.4896 (pause 0.53) 447.0190 398 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 447.0190 and, um, 448.0165 399 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 448.0165 (pause 1.56) 449.5719 400 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 449.5719 I was 449.9737 401 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 449.9737 (pause 0.14) 450.1155 402 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 450.1155 actually in a class with, um, 452.3714 403 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 452.3714 (pause 0.17) 452.5416 404 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 452.5416 452.6739 405 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 452.6739 (pause 0.57) 453.2460 406 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 453.2460 special needs kids 454.6122 407 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 454.6122 (pause 0.33) 454.9431 408 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 454.9431 as a helper. 455.8697 409 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 455.8697 (pause 0.78) 456.6450 410 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 456.6450 Yeah, so 457.4117 411 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 457.4117 (pause 0.35) 457.7663 412 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 457.7663 now that, um, /RD-NAME-3/'s in 459.8984 413 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 459.8984 (pause 0.17) 460.0638 414 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 460.0638 school, 460.5886 415 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 460.5886 (pause 0.65) 461.2362 416 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 461.2362 I encouraged her to do the same thing. 463.0950 417 ROC_int_01 463.1312 [Mm-hm.] 463.6465 418 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 463.5819 [You] know, just so you can, 464.7421 419 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 465.2006 y- 465.2621 420 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 465.2621 (pause 0.15) 465.4086 421 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 465.4086 you know, get- get to know them and help them and, 468.3720 422 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 468.3720 (pause 0.07) 468.4441 423 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 468.4441 you know /and/ really really appreciate. So 470.6759 424 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 470.6759 (pause 0.28) 470.9548 425 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 470.9548 she did that last year. Well she wasn't with handicap but 473.8063 426 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 473.8063 (pause 0.30) 474.1041 427 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 474.1041 she was with, uh, a few autistic kids and this and that, 477.2621 428 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 477.2621 (pause 0.51) 477.7679 429 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 477.7679 which I don't know which- 478.4857 430 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 478.4857 (pause 0.11) 478.5921 431 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 478.5921 was the best idea but- 479.9946 432 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 479.9946 (pause 0.12) 480.1148 433 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 480.1148 because she was so young. 481.1395 434 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 481.1395 (pause 0.35) 481.4893 435 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 481.4893 But I thought it was a good idea at the time, but 483.5127 436 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 483.5127 (pause 0.19) 483.7018 437 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 483.7018 now I don't know 484.3021 438 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 484.3021 (pause 0.57) 484.8703 439 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 484.8703 because she was taking on some of their- 487.0071 440 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 487.0071 (pause 0.68) 487.6878 441 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 487.6878 their, uh, activities /if/ they were doing in class, [like you know], 490.8703 442 ROC_int_01 490.2690 [Mm-hm.] 490.7500 443 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 491.2107 and I was like, where is she getting this from? 493.1820 444 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 493.1820 (pause 0.29) 493.4704 445 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 493.4704 So when I went to visit her class, I saw. 496.0232 446 ROC_int_01 496.4306 [Okay.] 496.7568 447 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 496.6244 [I saw] exactly where she wa- 497.7023 448 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 498.0120 Where I got in to it, I was in the fifth grade. 500.3340 449 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 500.3340 (pause 0.37) 500.7027 450 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 500.7027 Her- her, she was first grade [so m- ] 502.5370 451 ROC_int_01 502.2959 [Mm-hm.] 502.7497 452 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 502.8301 maybe that was a little early, but 504.4375 453 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 504.4375 (pause 0.64) 505.0804 454 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 505.0804 that- that's what I did in 506.3521 455 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 506.3521 (pause 0.24) 506.5893 456 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 506.5893 elementary school. 507.3788 457 ROC_int_01 507.7617 Okay. 508.2250 458 ROC_int_01 508.2250 (pause 0.28) 508.5039 459 ROC_int_01 508.5039 Cool, and was middle school also in the same 511.2695 460 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 511.3385 [Middle school], I- where was I in middle school? 514.5200 461 ROC_int_01 511.3952 [neighborhood, or-] 512.3974 462 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 514.7990 Um, 515.3521 463 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 515.3521 (pause 0.75) 516.0991 464 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 516.0991 516.1632 465 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 516.1632 (pause 0.40) 516.5679 466 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 516.5679 m- uh, /RD-SCHOOL-3/ 517.7545 467 ROC_int_01 518.2603 [Okay.] 518.5737 468 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 518.3265 [up in-] 518.7339 469 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 518.8095 yeah. 519.2734 470 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 519.2734 (pause 0.11) 519.3809 471 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 519.3809 I was there and then, um, 521.5284 472 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 521.5284 (pause 0.39) 521.9208 473 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 521.9208 from there I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. 523.1744 474 ROC_int_01 523.6613 Okay. 524.0490 475 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 524.3373 Yeah. 524.7025 476 ROC_int_01 524.7250 [Um], 525.1930 477 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 524.8420 [High school.] 525.4199 478 ROC_int_01 525.8359 And what was /RD-SCHOOL-3/ like] 527.2089 479 ROC_int_01 527.2089 (pause 0.09) 527.3023 480 ROC_int_01 527.3023 back then [I guess?] 528.2403 481 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 527.8101 [I loved] [it. I loved] it 529.2898 482 ROC_int_01 528.4247 [] 528.8785 483 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 529.4222 cause I s- I started at the old /RD-SCHOOL-3/ on Clifford or whatever. I only went there for ninth grade. 534.7792 484 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 534.7792 (pause 0.34) 535.1196 485 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 535.1196 And then I went t- 535.8630 486 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 535.8630 (pause 0.11) 535.9694 487 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 535.9694 they built the new one, so I was the first class at the new one. 539.3346 488 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 539.3346 (pause 0.44) 539.7789 489 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 539.7789 So, 540.3415 490 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 540.3415 (pause 0.33) 540.6733 491 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 540.6733 it was a trade school, 541.6282 492 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 541.6282 (pause 0.43) 542.0584 493 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 542.0584 [so I] loved it, 543.2592 494 ROC_int_01 542.0915 [Okay.] 542.5501 495 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 543.7083 versus there was no other 544.9564 496 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 544.9564 (pause 0.22) 545.1786 497 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 545.1786 school in the city that had a trade school. 547.0562 498 ROC_int_01 547.3068 [Right.] 547.8268 499 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 547.5999 [You know], so 548.3421 500 ROC_int_01 548.4555 Oh, [I didn't know that.] 549.5570 501 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 548.7770 [that was the only one], 549.6705 502 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 549.9210 mm-hm, 550.3698 503 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 550.3698 (pause 0.11) 550.4844 504 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 550.4844 at the time. 551.1124 505 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 551.1124 (pause 0.66) 551.7756 506 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 551.7756 So I went in there, and I took up sewing, 554.5231 507 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 554.5231 (pause 1.20) 555.7239 508 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 555.7239 which I still do to this day, so 558.0214 509 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 558.0214 (pause 0.66) 558.6786 510 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 558.6786 [yeah.] 558.9433 511 ROC_int_01 558.7302 [I didn't] know that [either.] 560.0937 512 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 559.5342 [Yeah. For] our final we had to 561.9055 513 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 562.2789 do a fashion show, and everything we wore in the fashion show we had to make. 565.3526 514 ROC_int_01 565.7876 Mm-hm. 566.1232 515 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 566.1799 So, um, 567.0841 516 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 567.0841 (pause 0.12) 567.1999 517 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 567.1999 I mean from the bathing suit- everything you had to make. 569.3359 518 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 569.3359 (pause 0.65) 569.9883 519 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 569.9883 So that was fun. 571.1324 520 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 571.1324 (pause 0.21) 571.3404 521 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 571.3404 That was really fun. Now I still sew. I can get a pattern and 574.8490 522 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 574.8490 (pause 0.34) 575.1847 523 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 575.1847 make a outfit, 576.0025 524 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 576.0025 (pause 0.15) 576.1538 525 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 576.1538 just- 576.9622 526 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 576.9622 (pause 0.17) 577.1371 527 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 577.1371 cause you never forget, 577.8037 528 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 577.8037 (pause 0.20) 578.0070 529 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 578.0070 cause you were there for three years 579.6581 530 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 579.6581 (pause 0.09) 579.7432 531 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 579.7432 [every day.] 580.4141 532 ROC_int_01 579.9553 [Right.] 580.2910 533 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 580.7909 [So that's] something you won't forget. 582.3746 534 ROC_int_01 580.8807 [Mm-hm.] 581.3677 535 ROC_int_01 582.8955 Yeah. 583.2311 536 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 583.3446 Yeah, it's just in me to sew. 584.7344 537 ROC_int_01 585.0039 [Yeah.] 585.3857 538 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 585.2639 [] 585.4388 539 ROC_int_01 585.4968 That's great. [So] 586.7472 540 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 586.2472 [Yeah.] 586.5593 541 ROC_int_01 587.2116 after you got your trade, what made you decide to go to school for criminal [justice?] 592.7862 542 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 592.6774 [I] know. 593.2822 543 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 593.3779 I know. I [went to criminal] justice. (laughing) 595.4235 544 ROC_int_01 593.8918 [] 594.5915 545 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 596.0098 I don't know. It was so much happening- starting to happen in the city that 600.6246 546 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 600.6246 (pause 0.96) 601.5890 547 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 601.5890 I had- I was just drawn to it. 603.2775 548 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 603.2775 (pause 0.12) 603.3992 549 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 603.3992 I was just drawn to the criminal justice. I wanted to do more, so 606.8379 550 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 606.8379 (pause 0.51) 607.3493 551 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 607.3493 you know, I did that. I graduated, 609.3017 552 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 609.3017 (pause 0.21) 609.5145 553 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 609.5145 and 609.9920 554 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 609.9920 (pause 0.78) 610.7673 555 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 610.7673 then I went into /RD-WORK-4/ 612.9785 556 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 612.9785 (pause 0.27) 613.2453 557 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 613.2453 with, 613.5447 558 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 613.5447 (pause 0.12) 613.6641 559 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 613.6641 uh, young kids with, 615.0754 560 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 615.0754 (pause 0.11) 615.1865 561 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 615.1865 um, 615.6469 562 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 615.6469 (pause 0.70) 616.3485 563 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 616.3485 616.4552 564 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 616.4552 (pause 0.20) 616.6540 565 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 616.6540 problem- 616.9359 566 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 616.9359 (pause 0.08) 617.0174 567 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 617.0174 behavioral problems. 618.0687 568 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 618.0687 (pause 0.31) 618.3760 569 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 618.3760 Some of 'em were on probation, but 620.0968 570 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 620.0968 (pause 0.38) 620.4758 571 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 620.4758 they had to report to this program every day after school. 623.6905 572 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 623.6905 (pause 0.40) 624.0923 573 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 624.0923 That was part of their release or whatever. 626.2670 574 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 626.2670 (pause 0.40) 626.6697 575 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 626.6697 So, um, 627.7712 576 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 627.7712 (pause 0.37) 628.1399 577 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 628.1399 I did that for a couple years, 629.9789 578 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 629.9789 (pause 0.53) 630.5056 579 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 630.5056 and then they let 631.4596 580 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 631.4596 (pause 0.07) 631.5246 581 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 631.5246 everybody go. They were downsizing 633.4705 582 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 633.4705 (pause 0.52) 633.9953 583 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 633.9953 because of the money. 634.9313 584 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 634.9313 (pause 0.36) 635.2867 585 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 635.2867 So they let everybody go that didn't have a master's degree so. 638.1799 586 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 638.1799 (pause 0.35) 638.5298 587 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 638.5298 Master's degree, stay, anybody up under 640.8321 588 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 640.8321 (pause 0.41) 641.2395 589 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 641.2395 was out of a job. 641.9675 590 ROC_int_01 642.3740 [Mm-hm.] 642.7712 591 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 642.6010 [So] that's how I ended up where I am now. 644.6432 592 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 645.1160 So 645.6691 593 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 645.6691 (pause 0.17) 645.8440 594 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 645.8440 I'm not even in my field. I'm doing electronics 648.4166 595 ROC_int_01 649.0123 [Right.] 649.4956 596 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 649.4835 [which pays] good, 650.6905 597 ROC_int_01 649.5902 [Okay.] 649.9592 598 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 651.0120 you know, but I'm not in the field. 652.8462 599 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 652.8462 (pause 0.45) 653.2915 600 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 653.2915 So, um, 654.2890 601 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 654.2890 (pause 0.24) 654.5301 602 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 654.5301 you know, I'm hoping to get back in there 656.2999 603 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 656.2999 (pause 0.08) 656.3838 604 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 656.3838 cause 656.5912 605 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 656.5912 (pause 0.37) 656.9661 606 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 656.9661 my, uh, study was, uh, forensics. 659.6702 607 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 659.6702 (pause 0.29) 659.9633 608 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 659.9633 So I was into the science part of it. 662.2948 609 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 662.2948 (pause 0.58) 662.8763 610 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 662.8763 So 663.2923 611 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 663.2923 (pause 0.26) 663.5523 612 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 663.5523 I just gotta get back into it, but 665.0887 613 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 665.0887 (pause 0.67) 665.7600 614 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 665.7600 I wasn't a- I had to come out. I wasn't able to finish w- for- 669.0264 615 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 669.0264 (pause 0.11) 669.1375 616 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 669.1375 /RD-SCHOOL-2/ because 670.1858 617 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 670.1858 (pause 0.27) 670.4552 618 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 670.4552 /RD-NAME-2/ was in college, 671.5095 619 ROC_int_01 671.7553 [Okay.] 672.1004 620 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 671.9933 [and] I was going back and forth. And then /RD-NAME-2/ was in college. 674.5217 621 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 674.8857 Then /RD-NAME-2/ went to MCC. So I had all three of them 677.8215 622 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 677.8215 (pause 0.28) 678.1051 623 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 678.1051 in college at the same time. 679.4438 624 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 679.4438 (pause 0.45) 679.8977 625 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 679.8977 So I had to back up off cause I had to- you know, 683.0509 626 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 683.0509 (pause 0.40) 683.4480 627 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 683.4480 I had to make sure they got theirs. That was more important, [so.] 686.1841 628 ROC_int_01 685.8126 [Mm-hm.] 686.1959 629 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 687.0417 [So.] 687.3927 630 ROC_int_01 687.1138 [Yeah.] 687.3472 631 ROC_int_01 687.4903 Nah, I, uh, [totally] understand. 689.0639 632 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 688.2082 [Yeah.] 688.4139 633 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 689.1104 [] 689.8101 634 ROC_int_01 689.3704 [I get it.] I [feel like, you know], my mom would do the [same.] (laughing) 692.1975 635 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 690.0181 [] 690.7792 636 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 690.7792 (pause 1.09) 691.8713 637 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 691.8713 [Oh yeah], yeah. 692.6418 638 ROC_int_01 692.6797 [Yeah.] 693.1051 639 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 692.8215 [That's the] sacrifices you make, so, you know, I don't- 695.4224 640 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 695.9519 /RD-NAME-2/'s out now but, 697.4411 641 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 697.4411 (pause 0.36) 697.8051 642 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 697.8051 you know, she was still there in Charlotte alone, 700.4249 643 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 700.4249 (pause 0.42) 700.8457 644 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 700.8457 so I was still helping her, 702.2356 645 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 702.2356 (pause 0.37) 702.6043 646 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 702.6043 you know, so. 703.4411 647 ROC_int_01 703.9327 Yeah. 704.3298 648 ROC_int_01 704.3298 (pause 0.28) 704.6135 649 ROC_int_01 704.6135 [Right.] 704.9365 650 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 704.7734 [Yeah.] 704.9176 651 ROC_int_01 705.0949 Makes sense. 706.0191 652 ROC_int_01 706.0191 (pause 0.36) 706.3749 653 ROC_int_01 706.3749 Um, 706.9422 654 ROC_int_01 706.9422 (pause 0.66) 707.6040 655 ROC_int_01 707.6040 so you talked a little bit also about, uh, 710.5956 656 ROC_int_01 710.5956 (pause 0.09) 710.6807 657 ROC_int_01 710.6807 the crime here and stuff in [Rochester], and I'm curious to know like, 714.3415 658 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 711.9825 [Mm-hm.] 712.2520 659 ROC_int_01 714.7631 do you think, 715.6471 660 ROC_int_01 715.6471 (pause 0.21) 715.8599 661 ROC_int_01 715.8599 um, 716.4319 662 ROC_int_01 716.4319 (pause 0.46) 716.8952 663 ROC_int_01 716.8952 that it's changed over the past few decades, or it's something that's kind of been here for a while and just, 722.6966 664 ROC_int_01 722.6966 (pause 0.27) 722.9708 665 ROC_int_01 722.9708 has it been resolved, or- 724.4694 666 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 724.5451 Oh, I definitely think it's getting worse. 726.7773 667 ROC_int_01 726.8860 Yeah. 727.2531 668 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 727.2815 S- 727.4517 669 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 727.4517 (pause 0.09) 727.5463 670 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 727.5463 definitely getting worse because, 729.6151 671 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 729.6151 (pause 0.51) 730.1210 672 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 730.1210 um, I- 731.1421 673 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 731.1421 (pause 1.32) 732.4611 674 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 732.4611 I mean you've always had shootings, but it's like 735.2228 675 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 735.2228 (pause 0.48) 735.7050 676 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 735.7050 every other day, 736.5490 677 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 736.5490 (pause 0.35) 736.8942 678 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 736.8942 there's something. 737.6291 679 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 737.6291 (pause 0.74) 738.3713 680 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 738.3713 And I- I don't know if I wasn't into the news when I was smaller, 741.6057 681 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 741.6057 (pause 0.47) 742.0737 682 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 742.0737 and- so it didn't impact me as much, but now 744.9764 683 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 744.9764 (pause 0.75) 745.7281 684 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 745.7281 because n- you know, my kids know some of these kids that are being killed, that they went to high school with and 750.6786 685 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 750.6786 (pause 0.33) 751.0047 686 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 751.0047 elementary s- so 752.1733 687 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 752.1733 (pause 0.35) 752.5231 688 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 752.5231 now I'm more in tune to it because I know the kids. 755.0901 689 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 755.0901 (pause 0.17) 755.2556 690 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 755.2556 So, um, 756.2436 691 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 756.2436 (pause 0.63) 756.8771 692 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 756.8771 yeah. I definitely think it's getting worse. 758.7122 693 ROC_int_01 759.2822 [Yeah.] 759.6427 694 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 759.6049 [Yeah.] 759.9035 695 ROC_int_01 760.4992 And 761.0192 696 ROC_int_01 761.0192 (pause 0.61) 761.6243 697 ROC_int_01 761.6243 I guess what kind of, um, 763.5957 698 ROC_int_01 763.5957 (pause 0.25) 763.8415 699 ROC_int_01 763.8415 programs were- 765.1188 700 ROC_int_01 765.1188 (pause 1.30) 766.4141 701 ROC_int_01 766.4141 things that- have you feel like- 767.9517 702 ROC_int_01 767.9517 (pause 0.12) 768.0675 703 ROC_int_01 768.0675 have you felt like Rochester have tried to done- 770.0653 704 ROC_int_01 770.0653 (pause 0.09) 770.1504 705 ROC_int_01 770.1504 do to like improve upon 771.9719 706 ROC_int_01 771.9719 (pause 0.88) 772.8488 707 ROC_int_01 772.8488 [the crime] in the city, or- 774.3077 708 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 772.8827 [Y-] 772.9784 709 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 774.5186 Oh, well, they put in all kinds of cameras, 777.6498 710 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 777.6498 (pause 0.08) 777.7302 711 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 777.7302 so they got these, um, 779.2780 712 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 779.2780 (pause 0.38) 779.6574 713 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 779.6574 779.7189 714 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 779.7189 (pause 0.09) 779.8040 715 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 779.8040 sound- 780.4800 716 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 780.4800 (pause 0.35) 780.8251 717 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 780.8251 they got- I don't know, those aren't cameras, but they pick up sound. 783.5495 718 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 783.5495 (pause 0.27) 783.8204 719 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 783.8204 So they can pick up a gunshot. 785.2433 720 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 785.2433 (pause 0.35) 785.5940 721 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 785.5940 And then they got the cameras all around, so 787.9388 722 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 787.9388 (pause 0.40) 788.3359 723 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 788.3359 maybe that's 789.5178 724 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 789.5178 (pause 0.41) 789.9244 725 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 789.9244 they- I- I don't know if they put it there to 791.8729 726 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 791.8729 (pause 0.13) 792.0053 727 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 792.0053 deter 792.5821 728 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 792.5821 (pause 0.31) 792.8893 729 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 792.8893 people, cause it doesn't. It doesn't. 794.5771 730 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 794.5771 (pause 0.30) 794.8796 731 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 794.8796 Or to help them 796.0709 732 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 796.0709 (pause 0.13) 796.2033 733 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 796.2033 maybe catch them. 797.3766 734 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 797.3766 (pause 0.43) 797.8020 735 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 797.8020 So a few of 'em has worked, 799.2675 736 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 799.2675 (pause 0.51) 799.7781 737 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 799.7781 you know, 800.2260 738 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 800.2260 (pause 0.12) 800.3419 739 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 800.3419 helped solve some cases but 801.8385 740 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 801.8385 (pause 0.49) 802.3325 741 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 802.3325 there's still far too many that s- 803.7177 742 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 803.7177 (pause 0.16) 803.8784 743 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 803.8784 goes unsolved 805.0406 744 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 805.0406 (pause 0.62) 805.6570 745 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 805.6570 [that-] 805.9383 746 ROC_int_01 805.7385 [Mm-hm.] 806.1912 747 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 806.6669 And- and I 807.2673 748 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 807.2673 (pause 0.18) 807.4469 749 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 807.4469 think that's one of the reasons why 809.1071 750 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 809.1071 (pause 0.32) 809.4238 751 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 809.4238 I was so into the forensics 811.3095 752 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 811.3095 (pause 0.09) 811.4029 753 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 811.4029 because I'm like, 812.2509 754 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 812.2509 (pause 0.44) 812.6952 755 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 812.6952 you got the evidence, why- [you know], (laughing) 814.5720 756 ROC_int_01 814.1040 [] 814.5106 757 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 814.8817 I need to get in there. I need to solve this, but 817.1919 758 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 817.1919 (pause 0.61) 817.8017 759 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 817.8017 I don't- I don't know why so many goes 819.5604 760 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 819.5604 (pause 0.27) 819.8298 761 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 819.8298 unsolved. 820.5248 762 ROC_int_01 820.6382 Mm-hm. 821.0873 763 ROC_int_01 821.0873 (pause 0.40) 821.4900 764 ROC_int_01 821.4900 Yeah, and I feel like it's 822.8846 765 ROC_int_01 822.8846 (pause 0.37) 823.2581 766 ROC_int_01 823.2581 happening a lot with younger 824.8560 767 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 825.1396 Very [younger.] 825.7920 768 ROC_int_01 825.4895 [/?/] 825.6833 769 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 826.1513 [Very young.] 826.8384 770 ROC_int_01 826.3042 [and] I'm- I just wonder like why are 829.2108 771 ROC_int_01 829.3621 younger people, 830.5676 772 ROC_int_01 830.5676 (pause 0.40) 830.9694 773 ROC_int_01 830.9694 um, 831.4185 774 ROC_int_01 831.4185 (pause 1.09) 832.5059 775 ROC_int_01 832.5059 yeah, I guess, more likely to, 833.9486 776 ROC_int_01 833.9486 (pause 1.09) 835.0359 777 ROC_int_01 835.0359 uh, commit the crime. 836.1327 778 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 836.5109 I don't know why they're so 838.2458 779 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 838.2458 (pause 0.18) 838.4302 780 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 838.4302 angry, 839.0401 781 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 839.0401 (pause 0.63) 839.6744 782 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 839.6744 you know, definitely /they're/ angry over nothing, whereas, 842.3407 783 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 842.3407 (pause 0.46) 842.7992 784 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 842.7992 you know, when I was younger, we would fist fight. 844.7942 785 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 844.7942 (pause 0.25) 845.0409 786 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 845.0409 The- you would never think of going to get a gun, or, 847.4046 787 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 847.4046 (pause 0.34) 847.7450 788 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 847.7450 you know, maybe you might hear of a stabbing, but you never heard of a shooting somebody 851.4286 789 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 851.4286 (pause 0.32) 851.7453 790 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 851.7453 your age. But now it's just nothing for the kids to hear that, 855.3618 791 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 855.3618 (pause 0.72) 856.0804 792 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 856.0804 so. 856.5768 793 ROC_int_01 857.0976 Yeah. 857.5278 794 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 857.9958 [Yeah], they don't- 858.6640 795 ROC_int_01 858.0021 [Sh-] 858.1055 796 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 858.7621 I don't know, they don't fear anything. 860.5676 797 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 860.5676 (pause 1.24) 861.8062 798 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 861.8062 Why? I don't know. 863.0495 799 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 863.0495 (pause 0.49) 863.5420 800 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 863.5420 I don't know. I heard some interesting stories when I worked 866.0665 801 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 866.0665 (pause 0.36) 866.4258 802 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 866.4258 with pass- 866.9505 803 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 866.9505 (pause 0.22) 867.1727 804 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 867.1727 /RD-WORK-4/ with the kids because, 869.2725 805 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 869.2725 (pause 0.31) 869.5798 806 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 869.5798 you know, most of 'em were on probation, and, 871.7167 807 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 871.7167 (pause 0.42) 872.1327 808 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 872.1327 you know, you have to get to the root cause, why. 874.2033 809 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 874.2033 (pause 0.78) 874.9786 810 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 874.9786 You know, why- why are you doing what you do, so, 877.3905 811 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 877.3905 (pause 0.40) 877.7876 812 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 877.7876 you know, one girl, 878.8134 813 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 878.8134 (pause 0.18) 878.9978 814 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 878.9978 you know, every day she would come in, sign in with me, and she just sat there in front of me. So 882.8090 815 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 882.8090 (pause 0.89) 883.6977 816 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 883.6977 she had got in trouble again, 885.1869 817 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 885.1869 (pause 0.17) 885.3571 818 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 885.3571 so I was like, you know I have to report this to the judge 888.1613 819 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 888.1613 (pause 0.17) 888.3268 820 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 888.3268 [that] 888.5590 821 ROC_int_01 888.4639 [Mm-hm.] 888.8893 822 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 888.6611 [you] got in trouble again. 889.8065 823 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 890.2225 So, um, 891.1254 824 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 891.1254 (pause 0.15) 891.2720 825 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 891.2720 I would have to go to court and report it. So 893.7595 826 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 893.7595 (pause 0.72) 894.4781 827 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 894.4781 I was like, well what's going on with you? Why are you so angry? 897.9386 828 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 897.9386 (pause 0.61) 898.5437 829 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 898.5437 She told me that her dad was molesting her 901.6930 830 ROC_int_01 902.2745 Mm. 902.6054 831 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 902.7898 since she was five. 903.7826 832 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 903.7826 (pause 0.40) 904.1844 833 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 904.1844 And I think she was like fourteen at the time. 906.0573 834 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 906.0573 (pause 0.81) 906.8704 835 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 906.8704 I was like, what? Does your mother know? 908.7331 836 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 908.7331 (pause 0.48) 909.2153 837 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 909.2153 She said, yeah, 909.8818 838 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 909.8818 (pause 0.23) 910.1088 839 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 910.1088 and my dad's beating my mother. 912.1519 840 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 912.1519 (pause 0.80) 912.9555 841 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 912.9555 So I was like, 913.9057 842 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 913.9057 (pause 1.00) 914.9032 843 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 914.9032 I understand you told me this in confidence 917.0606 844 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 917.0606 (pause 0.14) 917.2000 845 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 917.2000 but 917.4785 846 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 917.4785 (pause 0.27) 917.7520 847 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 917.7520 I can't- 918.3145 848 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 918.3145 (pause 0.40) 918.7164 849 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 918.7164 I can't keep this information. So 920.5042 850 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 920.5042 (pause 0.33) 920.8351 851 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 920.8351 I had to go to my boss and tell him what she told me. 923.5109 852 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 923.5109 (pause 0.50) 924.0120 853 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 924.0120 So, you know, she was like, I know. 925.5153 854 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 925.5153 (pause 0.43) 925.9408 855 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 925.9408 But I think that was just her way of 927.8468 856 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 927.8468 (pause 0.50) 928.3479 857 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 928.3479 saying a- 928.9241 858 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 928.9241 (pause 0.08) 929.0068 859 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 929.0068 enough is enough. [I'm tired.] 930.3307 860 ROC_int_01 929.7847 [Mm-hm.] 930.3118 861 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 930.9116 And she knew I had to go report that. 932.6324 862 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 932.6324 (pause 0.35) 932.9822 863 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 932.9822 I couldn't keep it just between the two of us. 935.0159 864 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 935.0159 (pause 0.41) 935.4224 865 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 935.4224 So, 935.9519 866 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 935.9519 (pause 0.58) 936.5319 867 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 936.5319 you know, it- it m- 937.2315 868 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 937.2315 (pause 0.23) 937.4585 869 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 937.4585 it made me realize, okay, she's been fighting all these years, 940.8481 870 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 940.8481 (pause 0.29) 941.1364 871 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 941.1364 and she's been angry, but the root problem was 943.3355 872 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 943.3355 (pause 0.34) 943.6759 873 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 943.6759 what's going on at home with her dad 945.2454 874 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 945.2454 (pause 0.69) 945.9357 875 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 945.9357 and her mom being beat up. So, 947.6659 876 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 947.6659 (pause 0.78) 948.4454 877 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 948.4454 um, 948.8520 878 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 948.8520 (pause 0.33) 949.1782 879 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 949.1782 there's- there's reasons why they're out there doing it. Somebody just 952.2282 880 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 952.2282 (pause 0.30) 952.5308 881 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 952.5308 has to be- 953.5897 882 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 953.5897 (pause 1.16) 954.7480 883 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 954.7480 has to get to the root cause, what's going on. 956.7666 884 ROC_int_01 957.1353 Mm-hm. 957.6317 885 ROC_int_01 957.6317 (pause 0.42) 958.0533 886 ROC_int_01 958.0533 And 958.5213 887 ROC_int_01 958.5213 (pause 0.23) 958.7482 888 ROC_int_01 958.7482 do you ever ke- 959.7658 889 ROC_int_01 959.7658 (pause 0.09) 959.8556 890 ROC_int_01 959.8556 uh, I guess, run into or catch up with some of like, 962.5775 891 ROC_int_01 962.5775 (pause 0.17) 962.7524 892 ROC_int_01 962.7524 uh, the cases on your 964.3417 893 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 964.5591 Yeah. 964.8191 894 ROC_int_01 964.9137 [workload? Yeah.] 965.7505 895 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 965.3628 [Yeah, I] see 'em because they're 967.1876 896 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 967.7880 right in the neighborhood, 968.7871 897 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 968.7871 (pause 0.10) 968.8887 898 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 968.8887 so I see 'em a lot. And they remember me and 971.0291 899 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 971.0291 (pause 0.39) 971.4215 900 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 971.4215 I remember the- I- is- one of 'em visits 973.5071 901 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 973.5071 (pause 0.58) 974.0886 902 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 974.0886 uh one of my neighbors across the street. From mommy house, not my house. 977.4451 903 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 977.4451 (pause 0.51) 977.9510 904 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 977.9510 But, 978.1495 905 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 978.1495 (pause 0.21) 978.3622 906 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 978.3622 she visits over there. So she still remembers me. 981.0766 907 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 981.0766 (pause 0.31) 981.3887 908 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 981.3887 But that 981.8898 909 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 981.8898 (pause 0.60) 982.4902 910 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 982.4902 particular little girl, I never saw her again 984.5797 911 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 984.5797 (pause 0.12) 984.7026 912 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 984.7026 after I left there. 985.6773 913 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 985.6773 (pause 0.72) 986.3959 914 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 986.3959 So her dad was friends with my boss. 990.1590 915 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 990.1590 (pause 0.40) 990.5616 916 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 990.5616 Her dad actually worked there. 991.9515 917 ROC_int_01 992.2481 [Wow.] (whispered) 993.2717 918 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 992.9821 [Mm-hm.] 993.4123 919 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 994.3625 He [worked there.] 995.0858 920 ROC_int_01 994.6173 [Wow.] 995.2627 921 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 995.4120 Yup. 995.6437 922 ROC_int_01 995.9935 Yeah. 996.5608 923 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 997.0335 Yup. He was like a ride along in the police cars. 999.6676 924 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 999.6676 (pause 0.18) 999.8472 925 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 999.8472 Her dad was. 1000.7502 926 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1000.7502 (pause 0.81) 1001.5633 927 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1001.5633 So he was there for the meetings every week. 1003.7151 928 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1003.7151 (pause 1.10) 1004.8119 929 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1004.8119 So- 1005.4407 930 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1005.4407 (pause 0.18) 1005.6203 931 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1005.6203 and then I had to 1006.8530 932 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1006.8530 (pause 0.10) 1006.9499 933 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1006.9499 aft- 1007.4435 934 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1007.4435 (pause 0.07) 1007.5156 935 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1007.5156 after that, 1008.3197 936 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1008.3197 (pause 0.74) 1009.0586 937 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1009.0586 cause nothing happened right away. You know, they have to investigate stuff before. 1012.8556 938 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1012.8556 (pause 0.42) 1013.2716 939 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1013.2716 So I would see him. 1014.5149 940 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1014.5149 (pause 0.82) 1015.3375 941 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1015.3375 Like- 1016.0380 942 ROC_int_01 1016.3453 [] 1017.3381 943 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1017.0544 [] 1017.8675 944 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1018.3308 like, really? 1019.0258 945 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1019.0258 (pause 0.63) 1019.6545 946 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1019.6545 You know, so 1020.5669 947 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1020.5669 (pause 0.24) 1020.8080 948 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1020.8080 it was hard. 1021.4557 949 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1021.4557 (pause 0.16) 1021.6164 950 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1021.6164 It was a hard job working with the kids 1023.5650 951 ROC_int_01 1023.7399 [Mm-hm.] 1024.2883 952 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1024.1464 [cause] you get attached. 1025.2385 953 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1025.4087 You know, you see 'em every day. You want the best for 'em. 1027.7402 954 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1027.7402 (pause 0.43) 1028.1704 955 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1028.1704 So you kind of get attached to 'em, and so it's bad when 1031.2669 956 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1031.2669 (pause 0.28) 1031.5505 957 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1031.5505 you hear something like that. 1032.8553 958 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1032.8553 (pause 0.48) 1033.3375 959 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1033.3375 But I bet it's more of that going on with the kids. We just- 1036.5341 960 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1036.5341 (pause 0.37) 1036.9076 961 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1036.9076 they just won't tell nobody. 1038.2360 962 ROC_int_01 1038.7513 Mm-hm. 1039.1862 963 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1039.4651 Yeah, /know./ 1039.9426 964 ROC_int_01 1040.2838 [Especially] if your perpetrator is like 1042.3450 965 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1040.3264 [So-] 1040.6289 966 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1042.5105 your [dad.] 1042.9879 967 ROC_int_01 1042.7657 [right] [there.] 1043.5600 968 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1043.4323 [And you] don't know what's gonna happen to you 1045.4320 969 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1045.9615 cause you know, okay yeah, he'll go to jail, but what's gonna happen to me? 1048.9690 970 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1048.9690 (pause 0.57) 1049.5363 971 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1049.5363 So. 1050.0422 972 ROC_int_01 1050.3542 Mm-hm. 1050.9404 973 ROC_int_01 1050.9404 (pause 0.92) 1051.8575 974 ROC_int_01 1051.8575 Yeah. 1052.2357 975 ROC_int_01 1052.2357 (pause 0.64) 1052.8748 976 ROC_int_01 1052.8748 Okay, 1053.3995 977 ROC_int_01 1053.3995 (pause 0.41) 1053.8108 978 ROC_int_01 1053.8108 um, 1054.4248 979 ROC_int_01 1054.4248 (pause 0.10) 1054.5264 980 ROC_int_01 1054.5264 I wanted to aks you some more questions I guess about 1057.2146 981 ROC_int_01 1057.2146 (pause 0.76) 1057.9710 982 ROC_int_01 1057.9710 growing up in Rochester and just how you've seen the city change. 1061.5505 983 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1062.0233 [Oh.] 1062.3116 984 ROC_int_01 1062.0705 [Um], 1062.5622 985 ROC_int_01 1062.9804 1063.0637 986 ROC_int_01 1063.0637 (pause 0.19) 1063.2524 987 ROC_int_01 1063.2524 so, uh, 1064.2830 988 ROC_int_01 1064.2830 (pause 0.16) 1064.4437 989 ROC_int_01 1064.4437 in particular you talked about like your neighborhood changing in terms of the demographics, [right.] 1071.0004 990 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1070.6667 [Mm-hm.] 1070.9591 991 ROC_int_01 1071.2327 Black folks are moving [kind of] out. 1073.0764 992 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1072.5563 [Yeah.] 1072.7265 993 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1073.2040 Mm-hm. 1073.5255 994 ROC_int_01 1073.7099 Um, 1074.2498 995 ROC_int_01 1074.2498 (pause 0.10) 1074.3467 996 ROC_int_01 1074.3467 are there any other changes you've [noticed?] 1076.4891 997 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1076.3614 [Yes.] 1076.8054 998 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1076.8822 I've noticed, 1077.8661 999 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1077.8661 (pause 0.15) 1078.0127 1000 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1078.0127 uh, the kids, when I was smaller, 1080.2488 1001 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1080.2488 (pause 0.58) 1080.8311 1002 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1080.8311 we were outside. 1081.6962 1003 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1081.6962 (pause 0.60) 1082.2966 1004 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1082.2966 Go outside and play. 1083.1718 1005 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1083.1718 (pause 0.08) 1083.2545 1006 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1083.2545 We rode bikes. We had bikes. 1084.8258 1007 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1084.8258 (pause 0.32) 1085.1473 1008 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1085.1473 We roller skate outside. We were hula hooping, jump roping, 1088.2777 1009 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1088.2777 (pause 0.36) 1088.6417 1010 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1088.6417 playing in the street, you know, football and kickball. 1091.5066 1011 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1091.5066 (pause 0.37) 1091.8800 1012 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1091.8800 You don't see that anymore. 1093.0950 1013 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1093.0950 (pause 0.92) 1094.0177 1014 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1094.0177 You don't see it at all. So I have no kids on my street playing, none. 1097.8375 1015 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1097.8375 (pause 0.47) 1098.3055 1016 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1098.3055 Not one out there playing. 1099.6915 1017 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1099.6915 (pause 0.52) 1100.2115 1018 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1100.2115 So 1100.7883 1019 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1100.7883 (pause 0.29) 1101.0766 1020 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1101.0766 I think that's changed it a lot. 1102.4618 1021 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1102.4618 (pause 0.94) 1103.4026 1022 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1103.4026 You don't see it no more. 1104.5986 1023 ROC_int_01 1105.5213 Yeah. 1105.9279 1024 ROC_int_01 1105.9279 (pause 0.70) 1106.6275 1025 ROC_int_01 1106.6275 Um, 1107.1712 1026 ROC_int_01 1107.1712 (pause 0.35) 1107.5163 1027 ROC_int_01 1107.5163 and 1108.1214 1028 ROC_int_01 1108.1214 (pause 1.03) 1109.1520 1029 ROC_int_01 1109.1520 you, uh- what about the schools, I guess, do you feel like 1113.0010 1030 ROC_int_01 1113.0010 (pause 0.89) 1113.8945 1031 ROC_int_01 1113.8945 I hear mixed reviews about them. Do you feel like they're getting 1117.1904 1032 ROC_int_01 1117.1904 (pause 0.22) 1117.4126 1033 ROC_int_01 1117.4126 worse, uh, than when you guys were going to school, or- 1120.4949 1034 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1120.7454 I do think they're getting worse, um, 1122.9966 1035 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1122.9966 (pause 0.88) 1123.8806 1036 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1123.8806 you know, there's a lot of like bullying 1126.4429 1037 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1126.4429 (pause 0.27) 1126.7109 1038 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1126.7109 I would say 1127.5139 1039 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1127.5139 (pause 0.46) 1127.9728 1040 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1127.9728 that's going on in these schools, with the younger ones. 1130.5893 1041 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1130.5893 (pause 0.44) 1131.0269 1042 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1131.0269 So, 1131.6534 1043 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1131.6534 (pause 0.11) 1131.7593 1044 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1131.7593 you know, 1132.1785 1045 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1132.1785 (pause 0.22) 1132.3947 1046 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1132.3947 I- I know even, uh, my granddaughter, /RD-NAME-3/, 1135.1215 1047 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1135.1215 (pause 0.28) 1135.3995 1048 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1135.3995 at camp she kept saying, I don't wanna go cause this girl talked about me and this and that and the- 1139.1419 1049 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1139.1419 (pause 0.39) 1139.5346 1050 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1139.5346 and, you know, it's bad when you can't go to camp 1141.7055 1051 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1141.7055 (pause 0.16) 1141.8687 1052 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1141.8687 and enjoy yourself 1142.9991 1053 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1142.9991 (pause 0.41) 1143.4138 1054 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1143.4138 because you got people that are picking on you for whatever reason. 1146.3436 1055 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1146.3436 (pause 0.51) 1146.8510 1056 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1146.8510 So I just say, well maybe she's jealous, 1148.8814 1057 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1148.8814 (pause 0.19) 1149.0712 1058 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1149.0712 or maybe, you know, I don't know why she's bullying, but 1151.7362 1059 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1151.7362 (pause 0.51) 1152.2480 1060 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1152.2480 I would imagine that's why, 1154.0446 1061 ROC_int_01 1154.4329 [Mm-hm.] 1154.9055 1062 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1154.7673 [you know], so. 1155.6639 1063 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1156.3935 I- I think that's- that's changing. It's more violence there. 1159.7650 1064 ROC_int_01 1160.1385 Yeah. 1160.4457 1065 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1160.4741 You know, kids are 1161.3345 1066 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1161.3345 (pause 0.32) 1161.6513 1067 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1161.6513 committing suicide at young ages. 1163.8448 1068 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1163.8448 (pause 1.20) 1165.0409 1069 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1165.0409 So it's- it's stuff that's going on in the schools and on the internet and- 1168.9135 1070 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1168.9135 (pause 1.04) 1169.9551 1071 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1169.9551 so. 1170.3995 1072 ROC_int_01 1170.5272 Mm-hm. 1171.0708 1073 ROC_int_01 1171.0708 (pause 0.50) 1171.5731 1074 ROC_int_01 1171.5731 Yeah. 1172.0648 1075 ROC_int_01 1172.0648 (pause 0.53) 1172.5942 1076 ROC_int_01 1172.5942 Um, I also noticed that a lot of, uh, 1175.4883 1077 ROC_int_01 1175.4883 (pause 0.25) 1175.7341 1078 ROC_int_01 1175.7341 I guess, 1176.3014 1079 ROC_int_01 1176.3014 (pause 0.50) 1176.7978 1080 ROC_int_01 1176.7978 people my age or millennials are kind of moving away from Rochester [altogether] like 1181.3937 1081 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1180.7839 [Yes.] 1181.1432 1082 ROC_int_01 1181.7436 your daughter [went to-] yeah. 1183.2516 1083 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1182.5142 [Yeah.] 1182.7080 1084 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1183.3339 [Yes.] 1183.7121 1085 ROC_int_01 1183.6866 [Um], 1184.1310 1086 ROC_int_01 1184.4000 what do you think it would take to get 1187.1664 1087 ROC_int_01 1187.1664 (pause 0.28) 1187.4454 1088 ROC_int_01 1187.4454 more of us to stay around? [Why-] yeah. 1189.6909 1089 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1189.0338 [I-] 1189.1803 1090 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1189.7949 better jobs. 1190.7310 1091 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1190.7310 (pause 0.60) 1191.3266 1092 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1191.3266 They're going because of the economy I think. 1193.9181 1093 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1193.9181 (pause 0.54) 1194.4570 1094 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1194.4570 Yeah. 1194.8447 1095 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1194.8447 (pause 0.35) 1195.1992 1096 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1195.1992 I don't think it's more so the violence. I just think, okay, I done went to school for all these years. 1200.1781 1097 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1200.1781 (pause 0.48) 1200.6556 1098 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1200.6556 You know, I wanna be able to make a decent salary, and there's no guarantee staying here you're gonna do that. 1205.3594 1099 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1205.3594 (pause 0.54) 1205.8945 1100 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1205.8945 Years ago, yes. 1206.9392 1101 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1206.9392 (pause 0.50) 1207.4404 1102 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1207.4404 Yeah, you woulda- 1208.0455 1103 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1208.0455 (pause 0.24) 1208.2818 1104 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1208.2818 you woulda been 1208.8397 1105 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1208.8397 (pause 0.16) 1209.0004 1106 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1209.0004 good. But now 1209.9956 1107 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1209.9956 (pause 0.30) 1210.2935 1108 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1210.2935 you gotta fight for it here, 1211.5376 1109 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1211.5376 (pause 0.59) 1212.1286 1110 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1212.1286 you know. 1212.5304 1111 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1212.5304 (pause 0.46) 1212.9890 1112 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1212.9890 So 1213.4617 1113 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1213.4617 (pause 0.49) 1213.9487 1114 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1213.9487 there's no guarantees here. 1215.2865 1115 ROC_int_01 1215.9058 Yeah. 1216.1847 1116 ROC_int_01 1216.1847 (pause 1.05) 1217.2304 1117 ROC_int_01 1217.2304 Yeah. 1217.5755 1118 ROC_int_01 1217.5755 (pause 0.40) 1217.9773 1119 ROC_int_01 1217.9773 Um, 1218.5493 1120 ROC_int_01 1218.5493 (pause 1.10) 1219.6461 1121 ROC_int_01 1219.6461 and, 1220.4214 1122 ROC_int_01 1220.4214 (pause 0.26) 1220.6814 1123 ROC_int_01 1220.6814 mm, 1221.0974 1124 ROC_int_01 1221.0974 (pause 0.55) 1221.6505 1125 ROC_int_01 1221.6505 /kind of-/ 1221.9673 1126 ROC_int_01 1221.9673 (pause 0.28) 1222.2509 1127 ROC_int_01 1222.2509 are there any other changes that are 1224.2373 1128 ROC_int_01 1224.2373 (pause 0.13) 1224.3649 1129 ROC_int_01 1224.3649 recognizable to you, I guess, in terms of 1226.6861 1130 ROC_int_01 1226.6861 (pause 0.40) 1227.0880 1131 ROC_int_01 1227.0880 maybe the whole of Rochester, or- 1228.9128 1132 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1229.4620 Um, 1230.1049 1133 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1230.1049 (pause 0.88) 1230.9842 1134 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1230.9842 not off hand. 1232.0574 1135 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1232.0574 (pause 0.23) 1232.2890 1136 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1232.2890 I can't think of anything. 1233.7073 1137 ROC_int_01 1234.5960 Yeah. 1234.7804 1138 ROC_int_01 1234.7804 (pause 0.17) 1234.9459 1139 ROC_int_01 1234.9459 Okay. 1235.4139 1140 ROC_int_01 1235.4139 (pause 0.63) 1236.0435 1141 ROC_int_01 1236.0435 Um, 1236.6864 1142 ROC_int_01 1236.6864 (pause 0.86) 1237.5468 1143 ROC_int_01 1237.5468 let's see. I have some other questions. 1239.3622 1144 ROC_int_01 1239.3622 (pause 0.77) 1240.1327 1145 ROC_int_01 1240.1327 Didn't print 'em out. 1240.9270 1146 ROC_int_01 1240.9270 (pause 0.40) 1241.3251 1147 ROC_int_01 1241.3251 Um, 1241.9347 1148 ROC_int_01 1241.9347 (pause 4.56) 1246.4968 1149 ROC_int_01 1246.4968 so we talked about schools. We talked about 1248.9322 1150 ROC_int_01 1248.9322 (pause 0.48) 1249.4144 1151 ROC_int_01 1249.4144 college, 1250.2985 1152 ROC_int_01 1250.2985 (pause 0.73) 1251.0312 1153 ROC_int_01 1251.0312 neighborhoods. 1252.0807 1154 ROC_int_01 1252.0807 (pause 16.86) 1268.9442 1155 ROC_int_01 1268.9442 Well I think I covered [all ] 1270.6934 1156 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1269.8992 [] 1271.1378 1157 ROC_int_01 1271.2512 /your/ bases. Um, 1273.0666 1158 ROC_int_01 1273.0666 (pause 2.17) 1275.2326 1159 ROC_int_01 1275.2326 oh, I know what I could ask you 1277.1248 1160 ROC_int_01 1277.1248 (pause 0.12) 1277.2477 1161 ROC_int_01 1277.2477 that would 1277.5928 1162 ROC_int_01 1277.5928 (pause 0.29) 1277.8811 1163 ROC_int_01 1277.8811 be good, 1278.5627 1164 ROC_int_01 1278.5627 (pause 0.08) 1278.6443 1165 ROC_int_01 1278.6443 um, 1279.0810 1166 ROC_int_01 1279.0810 (pause 0.23) 1279.3102 1167 ROC_int_01 1279.3102 if you 1280.0985 1168 ROC_int_01 1280.0985 (pause 1.21) 1281.3135 1169 ROC_int_01 1281.3135 remember any of the stories, I guess, from your parents about 1285.4635 1170 ROC_int_01 1285.4635 (pause 0.10) 1285.5596 1171 ROC_int_01 1285.5596 them first coming to Rochester, 1287.8079 1172 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1287.9273 Mm-hm. 1288.2441 1173 ROC_int_01 1288.2760 and sort of what it was like and, 1290.2804 1174 ROC_int_01 1290.2804 (pause 0.61) 1290.8930 1175 ROC_int_01 1290.8930 you know, 1291.3800 1176 ROC_int_01 1291.3800 (pause 0.66) 1292.0418 1177 ROC_int_01 1292.0418 [yeah how it's] [changed and-] 1293.4973 1178 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1292.1667 [/??/] 1292.6680 1179 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1292.6680 (pause 0.62) 1293.2838 1180 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1293.2838 [Well] I know 1294.1875 1181 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1294.4759 when they came they had to stay with- my dad stayed with his brother, 1298.4659 1182 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1298.4659 (pause 0.27) 1298.7362 1183 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1298.7362 um, 1299.3886 1184 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1299.3886 (pause 1.24) 1300.6319 1185 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1300.6319 and my mom came, and 1302.6316 1186 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1302.6316 (pause 0.21) 1302.8444 1187 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1302.8444 they didn't have a car, so they caught the bus and- 1305.2704 1188 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1305.2704 (pause 0.62) 1305.8944 1189 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1305.8944 you know, s- 1306.3199 1190 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1306.3199 (pause 0.23) 1306.5468 1191 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1306.5468 the- /all of the-/ 1307.0054 1192 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1307.0054 (pause 0.19) 1307.1992 1193 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1307.1992 I- I don't 1307.8666 1194 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1307.8666 (pause 0.10) 1307.9670 1195 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1307.9670 ever remember 1309.1327 1196 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1309.1327 (pause 0.23) 1309.3658 1197 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1309.3658 having to catch the bu- 1310.4515 1198 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1310.4515 (pause 0.08) 1310.5319 1199 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1310.5319 you know what I'm [saying. (laughing) I d-] 1311.4829 1200 ROC_int_01 1311.1236 [Mm-hm.] 1311.6508 1201 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1311.7382 I don't have room to- I didn't go through that 1313.6113 1202 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1313.6113 (pause 0.07) 1313.6822 1203 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1313.6822 because, 1314.2426 1204 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1314.2426 (pause 0.45) 1314.6931 1205 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1314.6931 you know, by the time I was like eighteen, I had a car, so. 1318.0883 1206 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1318.0883 (pause 1.12) 1319.2039 1207 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1319.2039 You know, they- she said, oh no I caught the bus, it was midnight. 1322.4444 1208 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1322.4444 (pause 0.08) 1322.5260 1209 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1322.5260 I would have to, you know, 1323.5276 1210 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1323.5276 (pause 0.37) 1323.9011 1211 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1323.9011 catch the bus. I was getting in at midnight 1325.6773 1212 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1325.6773 (pause 0.09) 1325.7683 1213 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1325.7683 from work 1326.5682 1214 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1326.5682 (pause 0.54) 1327.1105 1215 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1327.1105 on- on the bus and stuff. 1328.5287 1216 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1328.5287 (pause 0.43) 1328.9542 1217 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1328.9542 So 1329.4386 1218 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1329.4386 (pause 0.11) 1329.5509 1219 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1329.5509 I 1329.9693 1220 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1329.9693 (pause 0.18) 1330.1536 1221 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1330.1536 think 1330.3989 1222 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1330.3989 (pause 0.43) 1330.8338 1223 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1330.8338 that's different, 1331.6327 1224 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1331.6327 (pause 0.32) 1331.9495 1225 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1331.9495 you [know], (laughing) 1332.5562 1226 ROC_int_01 1332.4900 [Mm-hm.] 1333.0739 1227 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1332.8848 [cause I] can't- 1333.5679 1228 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1333.7499 I can't relate. 1334.5280 1229 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1334.5280 (pause 0.35) 1334.8731 1230 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1334.8731 So, 1335.3269 1231 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1335.3269 (pause 0.16) 1335.4900 1232 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1335.4900 you know, they just worked hard and made sure 1337.5287 1233 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1337.5287 (pause 0.49) 1338.0204 1234 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1338.0204 that I didn't have to do that. 1339.4206 1235 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1339.4206 (pause 0.36) 1339.7846 1236 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1339.7846 [You know], so, 1340.7443 1237 ROC_int_01 1339.8488 [Yeah.] 1340.0142 1238 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1341.4014 um, 1341.8836 1239 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1341.8836 (pause 1.54) 1343.4261 1240 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1343.4261 that's basically it. Once they, 1345.1753 1241 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1345.1753 (pause 0.51) 1345.6811 1242 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1345.6811 um, both got 1346.5355 1243 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1346.5355 (pause 0.13) 1346.6702 1244 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1346.6702 jobs, then, you know, they were 1348.4665 1245 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1348.4665 (pause 0.30) 1348.7676 1246 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1348.7676 out on their own, and 1349.9873 1247 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1349.9873 (pause 0.45) 1350.4364 1248 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1350.4364 then they 1350.9612 1249 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1350.9612 (pause 0.30) 1351.2646 1250 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1351.2646 had an apartment on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ then they bought an apa- 1353.5255 1251 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1353.5255 (pause 0.09) 1353.6177 1252 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1353.6177 had an apartment on /RD-ADDRESS-3/ 1355.1789 1253 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1355.1789 (pause 0.35) 1355.5335 1254 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1355.5335 then they bought this house. 1356.6728 1255 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1356.6728 (pause 0.38) 1357.0566 1256 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1357.0566 So 1357.3638 1257 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1357.3638 (pause 0.25) 1357.6097 1258 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1357.6097 they actually bought the house for seventeen thousand dollars. 1360.4556 1259 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1360.4556 (pause 0.34) 1360.7913 1260 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1360.7913 Six bedroom house, 1361.9968 1261 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1361.9968 (pause 0.24) 1362.2330 1262 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1362.2330 three bathrooms, 1363.2483 1263 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1363.2483 (pause 0.51) 1363.7562 1264 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1363.7562 seventeen thousand year- you know, back then. 1365.8410 1265 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1365.8410 (pause 0.84) 1366.6825 1266 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1366.6825 So 1367.1742 1267 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1367.1742 (pause 0.49) 1367.6611 1268 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1367.6611 that was crazy. You- so they payed their house off real quick because she was at Kodak, 1372.1105 1269 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1372.1105 (pause 0.47) 1372.5832 1270 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1372.5832 and he was in construction, so 1374.4128 1271 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1374.4128 (pause 0.59) 1374.9998 1272 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1374.9998 it was basically a steal. 1376.2006 1273 ROC_int_01 1376.5552 Yeah. 1377.0657 1274 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1377.0941 Yeah. 1377.4534 1275 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1377.4534 (pause 0.38) 1377.8316 1276 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1377.8316 Yeah, big old hou- 1378.6163 1277 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1378.6163 (pause 0.36) 1378.9756 1278 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1378.9756 there's no way you're gonna buy a house that big now for [seventeen thousand.] (laughing) 1382.6450 1279 ROC_int_01 1381.6884 [ Right.] 1382.7171 1280 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1383.0905 [No.] 1383.4782 1281 ROC_int_01 1383.2513 [Unless] it [looks-] 1384.1070 1282 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1383.9793 [Yeah.] 1384.2819 1283 ROC_int_01 1384.2464 [/terrible/.] (laughing) 1385.0123 1284 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1384.4686 [Yeah, yeah.] 1385.2656 1285 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1385.3862 Terrible. 1385.9204 1286 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1385.9204 (pause 0.13) 1386.0551 1287 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1386.0551 You don't want it anyway. 1387.1684 1288 ROC_int_01 1387.4304 [Mm-hm.] 1388.0036 1289 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1387.5450 [So], 1387.8748 1290 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1388.7206 yeah. 1389.0515 1291 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1389.0515 (pause 0.08) 1389.1331 1292 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1389.1331 So, there- 1389.8310 1293 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1389.8310 (pause 0.13) 1389.9610 1294 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1389.9610 there's different 1390.7523 1295 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1390.7523 (pause 0.32) 1391.0749 1296 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1391.0749 from when, 1391.7935 1297 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1391.7935 (pause 0.18) 1391.9731 1298 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1391.9731 you know, 1392.4411 1299 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1392.4411 (pause 0.29) 1392.7296 1300 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1392.7296 I was eighteen, 1393.7137 1301 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1393.7137 (pause 0.55) 1394.2621 1302 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1394.2621 you know. 1394.6544 1303 ROC_int_01 1395.2406 Yeah. 1395.6803 1304 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1395.6898 So they had to struggle more. 1397.2829 1305 ROC_int_01 1397.5949 Mm-hm. 1398.1102 1306 ROC_int_01 1398.1102 (pause 0.33) 1398.4364 1307 ROC_int_01 1398.4364 Right. 1398.8241 1308 ROC_int_01 1398.8241 (pause 0.48) 1399.3071 1309 ROC_int_01 1399.3071 Um, 1399.7042 1310 ROC_int_01 1399.7042 (pause 0.41) 1400.1108 1311 ROC_int_01 1400.1108 another question that I had was about sort of, uh, 1403.0513 1312 ROC_int_01 1403.0513 (pause 0.78) 1403.8266 1313 ROC_int_01 1403.8266 things to do here. Like what are people into? 1406.6213 1314 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1407.6714 I'm into jazz, live music. 1409.7509 1315 ROC_int_01 1409.8786 [Yeah.] 1410.1528 1316 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1409.9637 [So] there's a lot of jazz here. 1411.8366 1317 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1411.9453 This is a jazz town. If you like it then it's here. 1414.6542 1318 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1414.6542 (pause 0.66) 1415.3160 1319 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1415.3160 Um, 1415.7935 1320 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1415.7935 (pause 0.38) 1416.1717 1321 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1416.1717 they have a lot of bands 1417.6569 1322 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1417.6569 (pause 0.51) 1418.1628 1323 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1418.1628 around town, so 1419.5621 1324 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1419.5621 (pause 0.70) 1420.2618 1325 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1420.2618 a lot of, uh, restaurants 1422.2851 1326 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1422.2851 (pause 0.09) 1422.3702 1327 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1422.3702 where, uh- you know, I love Park Avenue. 1424.6800 1328 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1424.6800 (pause 0.37) 1425.0535 1329 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1425.0535 And I love East Avenue, just going and sitting outside, eating and 1428.3588 1330 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1428.3588 (pause 0.45) 1428.8079 1331 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1428.8079 watching the people walk by, so 1430.8218 1332 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1430.8218 (pause 0.66) 1431.4790 1333 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1431.4790 I like that. You can eat here. 1433.0115 1334 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1433.0115 (pause 0.41) 1433.4228 1335 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1433.4228 You can go to church here. 1434.4817 1336 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1434.4817 (pause 0.28) 1434.7654 1337 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1434.7654 You know, (laughing) 1435.3800 1338 ROC_int_01 1435.5372 [Yeah.] 1436.0761 1339 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1435.6624 [it's tons] of churches, so 1437.3561 1340 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1438.2145 yeah. It's a lot to do here, um, 1440.1670 1341 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1440.1670 (pause 1.07) 1441.2409 1342 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1441.2409 musically. 1441.9737 1343 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1441.9737 (pause 0.17) 1442.1391 1344 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1442.1391 And I- I think this is a music town. 1444.0112 1345 ROC_int_01 1444.3516 Yeah. 1444.7062 1346 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1445.2089 [Yeah.] 1445.3464 1347 ROC_int_01 1445.3176 [For] sure. 1445.9133 1348 ROC_int_01 1446.4995 I would agree with that [especially] thinking about like the jazz [fest and-] 1450.1211 1349 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1447.6979 [Yeah.] 1447.8633 1350 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1447.8633 (pause 1.83) 1449.6933 1351 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1449.6933 [Oh yeah], that's huge. 1450.8255 1352 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1451.1309 [That's huge.] That just brings millions of people. 1453.6293 1353 ROC_int_01 1451.2491 [Mm-hm.] 1451.7360 1354 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1454.3708 I love it. I didn't- 1455.1881 1355 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1455.1881 (pause 0.14) 1455.3240 1356 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1455.3240 I didn't go this year. I don't know what I was doing, but 1457.6895 1357 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1457.6895 (pause 0.74) 1458.4317 1358 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1458.4317 I- I rolled by 1459.4765 1359 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1459.4765 (pause 0.08) 1459.5521 1360 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1459.5521 but I n- I didn't go to any of the 1461.3730 1361 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1461.3730 (pause 0.27) 1461.6411 1362 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1461.6411 concerts. 1462.3738 1363 ROC_int_01 1462.4873 Yeah. 1462.9553 1364 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1463.1633 Yeah. 1463.4762 1365 ROC_int_01 1463.5132 Yeah I went to see Erykah [Badu.] 1466.0385 1366 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1465.8210 [Oh yeah.] 1466.4829 1367 ROC_int_01 1466.6010 [Yeah.] 1467.0955 1368 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1466.7890 [That was] good? 1467.3870 1369 ROC_int_01 1467.8602 Yeah. It wa- 1468.7182 1370 ROC_int_01 1468.7182 (pause 0.43) 1469.1508 1371 ROC_int_01 1469.1508 it was 1469.7299 1372 ROC_int_01 1469.7299 (pause 0.36) 1470.0892 1373 ROC_int_01 1470.0892 a different kind of entertainer though, 1472.2201 1374 ROC_int_01 1472.2201 (pause 0.07) 1472.2935 1375 ROC_int_01 1472.2935 [for that] 1472.7170 1376 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1472.3192 [Yeah.] 1472.5437 1377 ROC_int_01 1472.8257 crowd. [Some people were] feeling like 1474.6525 1378 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1473.4190 [Oh, okay.] 1473.9576 1379 ROC_int_01 1475.2245 a- people who don't know her stuff were feeling like, uh, she's not really jazzy. 1478.6386 1380 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1478.9695 Right, sh- 1479.3855 1381 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1479.3855 (pause 0.19) 1479.5746 1382 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1479.5746 yeah. 1480.0190 1383 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1480.0190 (pause 0.43) 1480.4492 1384 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1480.4492 Yeah, right 1481.0732 1385 ROC_int_01 1481.3002 Yeah. 1481.6547 1386 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1481.7824 1482.2646 1387 ROC_int_01 1482.2736 So I'm like, okay I can 1483.7253 1388 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1483.9598 Yeah. 1484.3368 1389 ROC_int_01 1484.3486 see [/where-/] 1484.9021 1390 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1484.5708 [I like] her though. [I saw] her years ago in Cincinnati. 1487.6717 1391 ROC_int_01 1485.3702 [Yeah.] 1485.7460 1392 ROC_int_01 1487.9270 Oh, [okay.] 1488.6633 1393 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1488.2567 [Yeah.] 1488.7318 1394 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1489.0899 Uh, [Cincinnati] 1490.1300 1395 ROC_int_01 1489.2601 [Cool.] 1489.6430 1396 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1490.4609 like jazz festival. 1491.6097 1397 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1491.6097 (pause 0.41) 1492.0162 1398 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1492.0162 Me and /RD-NAME-2/ got off one Friday. 1493.6898 1399 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1493.6898 (pause 0.11) 1493.7997 1400 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1493.7997 She called me. Let's go to a jazz festival. 1495.6619 1401 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1495.6619 (pause 0.54) 1496.1973 1402 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1496.1973 So I was like, I gotta get my stuff together. She was playing on Saturday. 1499.0732 1403 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1499.0732 (pause 0.30) 1499.3711 1404 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1499.3711 So we got off work, 1500.2362 1405 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1500.2362 (pause 0.16) 1500.3969 1406 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1500.3969 got our clothes together, hit the road, went to Cincinnati to see her. 1503.4017 1407 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1503.4017 (pause 0.68) 1504.0777 1408 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1504.0777 It was good though. 1504.9389 1409 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1504.9389 (pause 0.14) 1505.0768 1410 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1505.0768 She was good. 1505.6906 1411 ROC_int_01 1505.8513 Yeah. 1506.2626 1412 ROC_int_01 1506.2626 (pause 0.22) 1506.4848 1413 ROC_int_01 1506.4848 I think she puts on a good show [for sure.] 1508.7682 1414 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1508.1820 [Yeah.] 1508.5176 1415 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1509.2740 Yeah. 1509.6758 1416 ROC_int_01 1510.1533 Yeah. I was also thinking about what other kind of artists 1513.5059 1417 ROC_int_01 1513.5059 (pause 0.50) 1514.0023 1418 ROC_int_01 1514.0023 they could bring down the road. 1515.6097 1419 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1515.7751 Oh [yeah.] 1516.2904 1420 ROC_int_01 1516.1817 [Um], 1516.6072 1421 ROC_int_01 1516.9484 1517.0949 1422 ROC_int_01 1517.0949 (pause 0.50) 1517.5960 1423 ROC_int_01 1517.5960 I think, uh, 1518.2721 1424 ROC_int_01 1518.2721 (pause 1.11) 1519.3783 1425 ROC_int_01 1519.3783 Lalah Hathaway 1520.4676 1426 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1520.5007 Oh, [she's good.] 1521.3544 1427 ROC_int_01 1520.8352 [/would be a good-/] 1521.6329 1428 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1521.6948 Yeah, she's good. 1522.7173 1429 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1522.7173 (pause 0.70) 1523.4217 1430 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1523.4217 Yup. 1523.8046 1431 ROC_int_01 1523.9693 yeah, /the/ [artist to bring.] 1525.5128 1432 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1524.4464 [Wow.] 1524.8329 1433 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1525.7646 Yeah the- so n- 1526.5351 1434 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1526.5351 (pause 0.36) 1526.8992 1435 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1526.8992 mostly jazz is- they have some singers, but mainly it's music, 1530.9283 1436 ROC_int_01 1531.0513 [Mm-hm.] 1531.5382 1437 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1531.3916 [you] know, without the singing or whatever. 1533.4055 1438 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1534.1108 So 1534.6828 1439 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1534.6828 (pause 0.16) 1534.8388 1440 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1534.8388 I love it though. 1535.6661 1441 ROC_int_01 1535.9923 [Yeah.] 1536.4491 1442 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1536.4278 [Mm.] 1536.6021 1443 ROC_int_01 1536.7879 But I feel like, like you said, concerts are kind of the- 1539.9126 1444 ROC_int_01 1539.9126 (pause 0.11) 1540.0262 1445 ROC_int_01 1540.0262 and festivals- 1541.1872 1446 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1541.1961 Yeah, here. 1541.8254 1447 ROC_int_01 1541.9511 yeah, 1542.4192 1448 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1542.5440 [Mm-hm.] 1543.0262 1449 ROC_int_01 1542.9884 [are] the- 1543.3808 1450 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1543.3874 They're all over, just 1544.5430 1451 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1544.5430 (pause 0.68) 1545.2214 1452 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1545.2214 un- d- last weekend I was in Webster, they 1547.4028 1453 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1547.4028 (pause 0.22) 1547.6249 1454 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1547.6249 shut down Main Street 1549.2701 1455 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1549.2701 (pause 0.11) 1549.3836 1456 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1549.3836 and just had a stage 1550.4142 1457 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1550.4142 (pause 0.30) 1550.7120 1458 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1550.7120 and all day they had bands. 1552.3808 1459 ROC_int_01 1552.5793 Wow. 1552.9765 1460 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1552.9905 All day. 1553.5763 1461 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1553.5763 (pause 0.37) 1553.9498 1462 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1553.9498 So up until like eleven or twelve o'clock at night. 1556.4600 1463 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1556.4600 (pause 0.94) 1557.4048 1464 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1557.4048 [So] it was really nice 1558.8124 1465 ROC_int_01 1557.4662 [/Wow/.] 1557.7239 1466 ROC_int_01 1558.8817 You said in Webster or [on-] 1560.5941 1467 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1560.3920 [It was] in- 1560.8379 1468 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1560.9006 o- 1561.0231 1469 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1561.0231 (pause 0.09) 1561.1153 1470 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1561.1153 Webster on Main Street 1562.4106 1471 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1562.4106 (pause 0.12) 1562.5312 1472 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1562.5312 in Webster. 1563.1706 1473 ROC_int_01 1563.6102 Yeah. [Cause I-] I feel like 1565.1400 1474 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1564.1407 [Yeah.] 1564.4102 1475 ROC_int_01 1565.4425 I don't know, most of the stuff I know that's like music related happens 1569.0079 1476 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1569.3293 Yeah, this was [Webster.] 1570.4528 1477 ROC_int_01 1569.9451 [downtown] or, you know. 1571.4010 1478 ROC_int_01 1571.4713 But [okay. Cool.] 1572.3794 1479 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1571.7988 [/Mm/ yup.] 1572.2955 1480 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1572.9061 That was nice, so. 1574.0643 1481 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1574.0643 (pause 0.51) 1574.5702 1482 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1574.5702 I went fourth of July on Chili Avenue, they had a stage, 1578.3483 1483 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1578.3483 (pause 0.39) 1578.7359 1484 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1578.7359 and that was all music all day long. 1580.7734 1485 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1580.7734 (pause 0.39) 1581.1611 1486 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1581.1611 They had little things for the kids like bounce houses, and stuff, but 1584.5793 1487 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1584.5793 (pause 0.76) 1585.3363 1488 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1585.3363 yeah, that was nice. 1586.2062 1489 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1586.2062 (pause 0.11) 1586.3149 1490 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1586.3149 And then they had the fireworks right after that. 1588.3051 1491 ROC_int_01 1588.5746 Mm-hm. 1589.1419 1492 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1589.1900 So that 1589.9693 1493 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1589.9693 (pause 0.10) 1590.0674 1494 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1590.0674 and 1590.4645 1495 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1590.4645 (pause 0.08) 1590.5460 1496 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1590.5460 then you have your sports teams like, 1592.4378 1497 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1592.4378 (pause 0.38) 1592.8160 1498 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1592.8160 you know, the Red Wings, 1593.9080 1499 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1593.9080 (pause 0.36) 1594.2673 1500 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1594.2673 you got the Lancers, 1595.7636 1501 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1595.7636 (pause 0.09) 1595.8546 1502 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1595.8546 and, uh, RazorSharks. 1597.5869 1503 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1597.5869 (pause 0.52) 1598.1102 1504 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1598.1102 So we got our te- Amerks, 1600.0588 1505 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1600.0588 (pause 0.32) 1600.3755 1506 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1600.3755 the- [hockey.] 1601.1083 1507 ROC_int_01 1600.6627 [Yup.] 1600.8991 1508 ROC_int_01 1601.3647 Mm-hm. 1601.7784 1509 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1601.9072 So 1602.3090 1510 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1602.3090 (pause 0.09) 1602.3989 1511 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1602.3989 it's a sports town too. And then you got the Buffalo Bills that are here now 1606.1019 1512 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1606.1019 (pause 0.36) 1606.4580 1513 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1606.4580 in their training camp. 1607.3539 1514 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1607.3539 (pause 0.55) 1607.9046 1515 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1607.9046 So you go out to Fisher now, you can't- 1610.2262 1516 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1610.2262 (pause 0.09) 1610.3137 1517 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1610.3137 you can't get down the road 1611.5251 1518 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1611.5251 (pause 0.74) 1612.2673 1519 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1612.2673 cause everybody's at the training camp, so. 1614.4286 1520 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1614.4286 (pause 0.65) 1615.0751 1521 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1615.0751 [It's good.] 1615.4320 1522 ROC_int_01 1615.1271 [Yeah.] 1615.5077 1523 ROC_int_01 1616.0301 Yeah. So 1616.9945 1524 ROC_int_01 1616.9945 (pause 0.08) 1617.0772 1525 ROC_int_01 1617.0772 it sounds like then you would say like there's a 1619.5593 1526 ROC_int_01 1619.5593 (pause 0.51) 1620.0652 1527 ROC_int_01 1620.0652 pretty healthy, like, uh, 1622.2359 1528 ROC_int_01 1622.2359 (pause 0.49) 1622.7276 1529 ROC_int_01 1622.7276 s- 1622.8883 1530 ROC_int_01 1622.8883 (pause 0.35) 1623.2334 1531 ROC_int_01 1623.2334 there's a healthy, what is it, entertainment, 1626.2281 1532 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1626.2375 [Definitely.] 1626.8373 1533 ROC_int_01 1626.4597 [kind of scene, or-] 1627.4023 1534 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1627.1494 [There's always] something to do, and it's something for everybody. So if you say, I don't have anything to do, well, 1632.7440 1535 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1633.2498 you know, (laughing) 1633.8502 1536 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1633.8502 (pause 0.40) 1634.2520 1537 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1634.2520 you just gotta get out and get in, 1635.7317 1538 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1635.7317 (pause 0.22) 1635.9500 1539 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1635.9500 you know- get in the mix, so. 1637.6614 1540 ROC_int_01 1637.9214 [Mm-hm.] 1638.5218 1541 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1638.1956 [And that's] me. I stay. 1639.5051 1542 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1639.6753 I stay in it. 1640.3986 1543 ROC_int_01 1640.8808 [Yeah.] 1641.2960 1544 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1640.9840 [I love] the festivals. 1642.4803 1545 ROC_int_01 1642.8360 Right, cause we're not like a New York City, [but] 1645.1801 1546 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1645.0926 [No.] 1645.3006 1547 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1645.5819 [No.] 1645.8183 1548 ROC_int_01 1645.6875 [still] think there 1646.6046 1549 ROC_int_01 1646.7831 [are- seem] to be things. 1648.0572 1550 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1646.8611 [Yeah.] 1647.1566 1551 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1648.2687 Yeah, [it's a lot] to do. 1649.4770 1552 ROC_int_01 1648.5914 [Yeah.] 1648.9804 1553 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1649.6094 It is. 1650.2287 1554 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1650.2287 (pause 0.31) 1650.5433 1555 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1650.5433 It's a [lot.] 1651.1010 1556 ROC_int_01 1650.8308 [Yeah.] 1651.1577 1557 ROC_int_01 1651.8753 [Okay.] 1652.3363 1558 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1652.0396 [Yeah.] 1652.2701 1559 ROC_int_01 1652.8143 Um, 1653.3249 1560 ROC_int_01 1653.3249 (pause 0.24) 1653.5613 1561 ROC_int_01 1653.5613 1653.6747 1562 ROC_int_01 1653.6747 (pause 0.61) 1654.2846 1563 ROC_int_01 1654.2846 so I have a few last questions, and they're more like, uh, I guess you could say, language related. 1659.9820 1564 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1660.1947 [Okay.] 1660.5785 1565 ROC_int_01 1660.3728 [Um], 1660.7912 1566 ROC_int_01 1661.2718 and I always ask people whether or not, 1663.5237 1567 ROC_int_01 1663.5237 (pause 0.15) 1663.6750 1568 ROC_int_01 1663.6750 um, 1664.2518 1569 ROC_int_01 1664.2518 (pause 1.02) 1665.2682 1570 ROC_int_01 1665.2682 Rochesterians 1666.5540 1571 ROC_int_01 1666.5540 (pause 0.17) 1666.7242 1572 ROC_int_01 1666.7242 sound- or certain Rochesterians 1668.8374 1573 ROC_int_01 1668.8374 (pause 0.10) 1668.9367 1574 ROC_int_01 1668.9367 sound a certain way or speak a certain way 1671.7173 1575 ROC_int_01 1671.7173 (pause 0.37) 1672.0907 1576 ROC_int_01 1672.0907 or, for example, when you go out of town, do people tell you, you know, 1675.2968 1577 ROC_int_01 1675.2968 (pause 0.70) 1675.9965 1578 ROC_int_01 1675.9965 oh you sound x way, or you sound like you're [from here.] 1678.8897 1579 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1678.1995 [The- s-] 1678.5209 1580 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1678.5209 (pause 0.24) 1678.7573 1581 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1678.7573 [They] say I sound like I'm from New York. Where- 1681.0179 1582 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1681.4150 I don't hear the accent here, cause it- you know, this is me born and raised, but 1685.1024 1583 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1685.1024 (pause 0.36) 1685.4673 1584 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1685.4673 when I go other places to South, 1687.5710 1585 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1687.5710 (pause 0.45) 1688.0201 1586 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1688.0201 I definitely hear it. I'm like, woah. 1689.9158 1587 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1689.9158 (pause 0.30) 1690.2137 1588 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1690.2137 You know, it's definitely a difference, but 1692.1885 1589 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1692.1885 (pause 0.34) 1692.5262 1590 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1692.5262 I don't- 1692.9281 1591 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1692.9281 (pause 0.18) 1693.1077 1592 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1693.1077 I don't hear it here with 1694.4598 1593 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1694.4598 (pause 0.43) 1694.8852 1594 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1694.8852 the people I live around, 1696.1522 1595 ROC_int_01 1696.4737 Yeah. 1696.8944 1596 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1696.9511 so. 1697.4806 1597 ROC_int_01 1697.8597 But with people who like, uh, maybe you don't know, do you feel like, oh those people 1703.1970 1598 ROC_int_01 1703.1970 (pause 0.59) 1703.7840 1599 ROC_int_01 1703.7840 s- uh, say certain words or things like that [funny] [or interestingly?] 1707.8922 1600 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1706.7162 [Yeah.] 1707.0637 1601 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1707.0637 (pause 0.13) 1707.1961 1602 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1707.1961 [It-] 1707.4088 1603 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1708.1900 Y- I know, um, 1709.3766 1604 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1709.3766 (pause 0.19) 1709.5704 1605 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1709.5704 one girl that I work with is from Puerto Rico, and it ju- and she's been here like twenty years, but 1714.2137 1606 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1714.2137 (pause 0.53) 1714.7431 1607 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1714.7431 some things, I'll say, what? 1716.3891 1608 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1716.3891 (pause 0.32) 1716.7106 1609 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1716.7106 [You know, (laughing) cause I] don't understand. 1718.6016 1610 ROC_int_01 1716.9978 [Mm-hm.] 1717.5958 1611 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1719.0129 And, you know, I don't know if she slips back into her other language or what, but 1722.9848 1612 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1722.9848 (pause 0.40) 1723.3819 1613 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1723.3819 some things I just don't understand what she says, 1725.6842 1614 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1725.6842 (pause 0.18) 1725.8638 1615 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1725.8638 so. 1726.3413 1616 ROC_int_01 1726.5493 Yeah. 1727.0882 1617 ROC_int_01 1727.0882 (pause 0.20) 1727.2915 1618 ROC_int_01 1727.2915 And, uh, with your, 1728.7957 1619 ROC_int_01 1728.7957 (pause 0.64) 1729.4339 1620 ROC_int_01 1729.4339 uh, parents being from the South, do you feel like you've picked up on any of the [thing-] 1733.5496 1621 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1733.3416 [I hope] not. 1734.0602 1622 ROC_int_01 1734.1547 [] 1735.1900 1623 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1735.0246 [I] hope not, no. 1736.3955 1624 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1736.6044 Uh, no I try not to but- 1738.4954 1625 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1738.4954 (pause 0.30) 1738.7932 1626 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1738.7932 cause 1739.0721 1627 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1739.0721 (pause 0.17) 1739.2423 1628 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1739.2423 they still have that slang. 1740.9347 1629 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1740.9347 (pause 0.22) 1741.1522 1630 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1741.1522 They still say words like, really? 1743.7248 1631 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1743.7248 (pause 0.45) 1744.1786 1632 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1744.1786 You know, it's just really slang and, 1745.6347 1633 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1745.6347 (pause 0.29) 1745.9278 1634 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1745.9278 you know, 1746.3438 1635 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1746.3438 (pause 0.20) 1746.5471 1636 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1746.5471 ice box for frigerator. I'm like, dad it's a frigerator. It's not /out-/ 1750.0037 1637 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1750.0037 (pause 0.24) 1750.2401 1638 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1750.2401 Th- he'll say, close that box. 1751.7765 1639 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1751.7765 (pause 0.71) 1752.4904 1640 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1752.4904 You know, and 1753.3224 1641 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1753.3224 (pause 0.28) 1753.6060 1642 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1753.6060 my kids know, cause a- they grown u- I know but i- 1756.3677 1643 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1756.3677 (pause 0.30) 1756.6655 1644 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1756.6655 it's not a box. 1757.5449 1645 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1757.5449 (pause 0.36) 1757.9041 1646 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1757.9041 It's 1758.8213 1647 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1758.8213 (pause 0.19) 1759.0104 1648 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1759.0104 not. 1759.1664 1649 ROC_int_01 1759.3299 [Right.] 1759.6419 1650 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1759.4642 [It's a refrigerator.] 1760.6130 1651 ROC_int_01 1760.4598 [Mm-hm.] 1760.9372 1652 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1760.8521 [So] yeah, they still have that 1762.8235 1653 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1763.1733 Southern accent. 1764.1885 1654 ROC_int_01 1764.6491 [Yeah.] 1765.0419 1655 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1764.9450 [Yeah.] 1765.2747 1656 ROC_int_01 1765.6157 Okay. Cool. 1766.6554 1657 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1766.7074 Mm-hm. 1767.0277 1658 ROC_int_01 1767.1086 Um, 1767.7657 1659 ROC_int_01 1767.7657 (pause 0.14) 1767.9076 1660 ROC_int_01 1767.9076 1768.0068 1661 ROC_int_01 1768.0068 (pause 0.19) 1768.2011 1662 ROC_int_01 1768.2011 that is all the question- that- well, those are all the questions I have, but if you have any questions, 1773.6830 1663 ROC_int_01 1773.6830 (pause 0.54) 1774.2278 1664 ROC_int_01 1774.2278 um, 1774.7100 1665 ROC_int_01 1774.7100 (pause 0.26) 1774.9653 1666 ROC_int_01 1774.9653 yeah. 1775.3199 1667 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1775.5602 Um, 1775.9668 1668 ROC_int_01 1775.5839 [] 1775.8722 1669 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1776.0968 okay, so 1777.1274 1670 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1777.1274 (pause 0.86) 1777.9835 1671 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1777.9835 how many people have you interviewed here? 1779.9974 1672 ROC_int_01 1780.6770 So far, um, I'm almost at twenty. 1783.9587 1673 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1784.1572 Oh wow. 1784.6110 1674 ROC_int_01 1784.7529 Yeah, 1785.1934 1675 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1785.7476 [Okay.] 1786.1944 1676 ROC_int_01 1785.8020 [just about.] 1786.5052 1677 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1787.4343 And have the questions been 1789.4261 1678 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1789.4261 (pause 0.11) 1789.5348 1679 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1789.5348 different like- 1790.4662 1680 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1790.4662 (pause 1.04) 1791.5109 1681 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1791.5109 very different? 1792.2601 1682 ROC_int_01 1792.2660 Y- uh, 1793.1725 1683 ROC_int_01 1793.1725 (pause 0.25) 1793.4236 1684 ROC_int_01 1793.4236 I have some of the same questions, overarching ones that I ask [just about] their experiences here, but 1799.2345 1685 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1797.3435 [Mm-hm.] 1797.5704 1686 ROC_int_01 1799.5040 depending on what someone tells me about stories or what not, I'll ask more [details] 1804.7476 1687 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1804.6719 [Okay.] 1805.0738 1688 ROC_int_01 1805.2392 about 1805.8585 1689 ROC_int_01 1805.8585 (pause 0.57) 1806.4306 1690 ROC_int_01 1806.4306 that particular thing. 1807.7606 1691 ROC_int_01 1807.7606 (pause 0.16) 1807.9190 1692 ROC_int_01 1807.9190 [Um], 1808.3697 1693 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1808.0797 [Mm.] 1808.2570 1694 ROC_int_01 1808.5588 so 1809.0079 1695 ROC_int_01 1809.0079 (pause 0.39) 1809.4022 1696 ROC_int_01 1809.4022 the interviews don't always like l- yeah, they don't all look the same, which is the fun part [for me.] 1814.2002 1697 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1813.8469 [Oh good.] 1814.4153 1698 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1814.5832 [Oh good.] 1815.0524 1699 ROC_int_01 1814.6754 [Yeah.] 1815.0760 1700 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1815.5724 So it- just based on 1817.1293 1701 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1817.1293 (pause 0.11) 1817.2428 1702 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1817.2428 where they grew up 1818.3892 1703 ROC_int_01 1819.0798 [Mm-hm.] 1819.5124 1704 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1819.3966 [and] who they grew up with, 1820.6186 1705 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1820.7108 then it's gonna be different. 1821.8196 1706 ROC_int_01 1822.0702 Yeah. 1822.4105 1707 ROC_int_01 1822.4105 (pause 0.31) 1822.7226 1708 ROC_int_01 1822.7226 Exactly. 1823.4553 1709 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1823.6208 Oh okay, so is it helping your paper? 1825.9853 1710 ROC_int_01 1826.4534 Yeah, for sure. It's helping me to get a 1828.9164 1711 ROC_int_01 1828.9164 (pause 1.20) 1830.1124 1712 ROC_int_01 1830.1124 kind of, uh, uh, 1831.3661 1713 ROC_int_01 1831.3661 (pause 0.16) 1831.5268 1714 ROC_int_01 1831.5268 different perspectives, 1832.5515 1715 ROC_int_01 1832.5515 (pause 0.09) 1832.6366 1716 ROC_int_01 1832.6366 right, on the same place. It's nice to hear, you know, people's opinions of, 1837.1350 1717 ROC_int_01 1837.1350 (pause 0.48) 1837.6124 1718 ROC_int_01 1837.6124 you know, what they enjoy, what they don't enjoy, you know, what Rochester used to look like, you know, 1843.0546 1719 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1843.4186 [Mm-hm.] 1843.6975 1720 ROC_int_01 1843.4895 [and see] what people agree upon, and where they don't agree upon [things.] 1847.3480 1721 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1846.7807 [Mm-hm.] 1847.1778 1722 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1847.6316 [Mm-hm.] 1847.9815 1723 ROC_int_01 1847.7120 [It's just] 1848.3360 1724 ROC_int_01 1849.0404 from a- I guess you could say, from like an anthropology sense, it's nice to just look in and see what people think of, 1855.3713 1725 ROC_int_01 1855.3713 (pause 0.58) 1855.9536 1726 ROC_int_01 1855.9536 you know, 1856.3602 1727 ROC_int_01 1856.3602 (pause 0.70) 1857.0599 1728 ROC_int_01 1857.0599 the city, yeah. 1857.8919 1729 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1858.0290 Okay. 1858.5916 1730 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1858.5916 (pause 0.50) 1859.0927 1731 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1859.0927 And w- 1859.4520 1732 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1859.4520 (pause 0.93) 1860.3786 1733 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1860.3786 you answering the questions, cause you were born and raised [here too.] 1863.6366 1734 ROC_int_01 1863.3199 [Mm-hm.] 1863.9297 1735 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1864.3067 [But you've been] gone a long time, so [is it different] for you now? 1867.3786 1736 ROC_int_01 1864.3469 [Yeah.] 1864.6779 1737 ROC_int_01 1864.6779 (pause 1.26) 1865.9344 1738 ROC_int_01 1865.9344 [Exactly.] 1866.4710 1739 ROC_int_01 1867.7320 Yeah, I feel like some of the things that, 1869.9831 1740 ROC_int_01 1869.9831 (pause 0.61) 1870.5977 1741 ROC_int_01 1870.5977 uh, 1871.0125 1742 ROC_int_01 1871.0125 (pause 0.09) 1871.1000 1743 ROC_int_01 1871.1000 there's ju- there are just some things I don't know because of my age, [right. So] like, 1874.7248 1744 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1873.9826 [Mm-hm.] 1874.2851 1745 ROC_int_01 1875.2448 you know, I- 1875.8870 1746 ROC_int_01 1875.8870 (pause 0.11) 1875.9981 1747 ROC_int_01 1875.9981 I like to talk to, uh, especially older folks about what Rochester used to look like because I have no 1881.6293 1748 ROC_int_01 1881.6293 (pause 0.09) 1881.7168 1749 ROC_int_01 1881.7168 [kind of intuitions] about that. 1883.5101 1750 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1881.8822 [Mm-hm.] 1882.2297 1751 ROC_int_01 1883.9308 But also too, like, 1885.4956 1752 ROC_int_01 1885.4956 (pause 0.79) 1886.2851 1753 ROC_int_01 1886.2851 I didn't really realize a lot of the things about Rochester that people have brought up to me until I was older 1893.1247 1754 ROC_int_01 1893.1247 (pause 0.19) 1893.3185 1755 ROC_int_01 1893.3185 in my life. So 1894.3160 1756 ROC_int_01 1894.3160 (pause 0.24) 1894.5571 1757 ROC_int_01 1894.5571 some people will say, oh well it's kind of segregated, and 1897.2762 1758 ROC_int_01 1897.2762 (pause 0.35) 1897.6308 1759 ROC_int_01 1897.6308 I never thought of it as such, and I'm like, uh, 1899.7629 1760 ROC_int_01 1899.7629 (pause 0.39) 1900.1553 1761 ROC_int_01 1900.1553 okay, if you're thinking about maybe suburbs versus city, 1903.7856 1762 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1903.9393 [Mm-hm.] 1904.2725 1763 ROC_int_01 1904.0480 [then okay.] 1904.6720 1764 ROC_int_01 1904.7878 [Yeah that makes] sense. [So for me] it's also kind of like an uncovering process of like, 1909.4200 1765 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1904.8469 [Mm-hm.] 1905.2204 1766 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1905.2204 (pause 0.54) 1905.7570 1767 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1905.7570 [Mm-hm.] 1906.1541 1768 ROC_int_01 1909.8644 oh yeah, these things do exist, but I just never really 1913.6425 1769 ROC_int_01 1913.6425 (pause 0.51) 1914.1530 1770 ROC_int_01 1914.1530 paid attention, (laughing) 1915.3148 1771 ROC_int_01 1915.3148 (pause 0.14) 1915.4543 1772 ROC_int_01 1915.4543 [um, when I] was here. [Yeah.] 1916.9006 1773 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1915.6005 [Right.] 1915.9315 1774 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1915.9315 (pause 0.82) 1916.7470 1775 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1916.7470 [Right.] 1917.0732 1776 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1917.6038 Do you remember, when you were younger, like going downtown to midtown 1921.9870 1777 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1921.9870 (pause 0.41) 1922.3936 1778 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1922.3936 and seeing the monorail and 1924.4406 1779 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1924.4406 (pause 0.28) 1924.7242 1780 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1924.7242 then you see all that's gone. 1926.1885 1781 ROC_int_01 1926.4951 [Yeah.] 1926.8969 1782 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1926.6511 [You know], the monorail's gone. 1928.1450 1783 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1928.4739 Santa with l- 1929.4478 1784 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1929.4478 (pause 0.20) 1929.6511 1785 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1929.6511 the big old mountain or whatever. 1931.3483 1786 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1931.3483 (pause 0.29) 1931.6414 1787 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1931.6414 So you took the kids there 1932.6023 1788 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1932.6023 (pause 0.11) 1932.7157 1789 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1932.7157 every 1933.2594 1790 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1933.2594 (pause 0.08) 1933.3421 1791 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1933.3421 year. 1933.9415 1792 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1933.9415 (pause 0.07) 1934.0112 1793 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1934.0112 So now you can go to the mall basically, but that's different. 1936.7053 1794 ROC_int_01 1937.0126 [Mm-hm.] 1937.4539 1795 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1937.1678 [You] don't have those things you had 1939.1617 1796 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1939.5209 even when you were smaller. 1940.8730 1797 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1940.8730 (pause 0.50) 1941.3749 1798 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1941.3749 So I- I can't take my grandkids to that cause it's- it's just all [gone.] 1945.3315 1799 ROC_int_01 1945.2759 [Mm-hm.] 1945.7380 1800 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1946.1121 [So.] 1946.4781 1801 ROC_int_01 1946.3386 [And] that was what, the first indoor mall I think [in the United] [States.] 1950.2410 1802 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1949.0189 [Mm-hm.] 1949.3286 1803 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1949.3286 (pause 0.63) 1949.9550 1804 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1949.9550 [Mm-hm.] 1950.3403 1805 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1950.6972 Mm-hm. 1951.1250 1806 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1951.1250 (pause 0.33) 1951.4548 1807 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1951.4548 And they d- I don't know. 1952.7746 1808 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1952.7746 (pause 0.35) 1953.1197 1809 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1953.1197 I don't know what they're putting there. [I-] 1954.5568 1810 ROC_int_01 1954.3535 [I was] gonna say, what are they [replacing-] (laughing) 1956.0082 1811 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1955.3794 [I thought Paychecks] was going there or something. I'm not sure if they decided on that 1960.0058 1812 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1960.0739 but, 1960.3649 1813 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1960.3649 (pause 0.55) 1960.9133 1814 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1960.9133 you know, I 1961.7454 1815 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1961.7454 (pause 0.16) 1961.9053 1816 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1961.9053 n- know, even as a kid it was there when I was there. 1964.2990 1817 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1964.2990 (pause 0.33) 1964.6252 1818 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1964.6252 I loved it. 1965.3343 1819 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1965.3343 (pause 0.58) 1965.9158 1820 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1965.9158 Loved it. The balloons. They had like, uh, clear balloon. It had this little red thing on the inside. 1970.8427 1821 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1970.8427 (pause 0.35) 1971.1878 1822 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1971.1878 Every year I went for that. Kazoos. They had the l- noise makers. 1974.3249 1823 ROC_int_01 1974.5849 [Mm-hm.] 1975.1238 1824 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1974.9395 [So], you know, I just, 1976.1111 1825 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1976.2246 um, 1976.6981 1826 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1976.6981 (pause 0.47) 1977.1677 1827 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1977.1677 it's a shame I can't- my kids- my grandkids can't have that same experience. 1981.3413 1828 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1981.3413 (pause 0.41) 1981.7479 1829 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1981.7479 Cause I took my kids every year. 1983.1885 1830 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1983.1885 (pause 0.40) 1983.5924 1831 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1983.5924 I know they remember that. 1985.0059 1832 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1985.0059 (pause 0.47) 1985.4787 1833 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1985.4787 So 1985.9337 1834 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1985.9337 (pause 0.09) 1986.0235 1835 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1986.0235 n- now, /RD-NAME-3/ and them growing up, I'm like, I gotta make some kind of memories for them 1990.6817 1836 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1990.6817 (pause 0.36) 1991.0457 1837 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1991.0457 cause that's gone. 1991.8825 1838 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1991.8825 (pause 0.39) 1992.2709 1839 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1992.2709 So yeah, we go see Santa at the mall, but it's just, 1994.8657 1840 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1994.8657 (pause 0.07) 1994.9366 1841 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1994.9366 you stand in a line, 1996.1900 1842 ROC_int_01 1996.3082 [Yeah.] 1996.7139 1843 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1996.6524 [and] then what? 1997.0992 1844 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1997.5796 You pay for those high pictures and then (laughing) 1999.7637 1845 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 1999.7637 (pause 0.43) 2000.1947 1846 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2000.1947 that's it. 2000.6864 1847 ROC_int_01 2000.8519 Yeah. 2001.3152 1848 ROC_int_01 2001.3152 (pause 0.20) 2001.5184 1849 ROC_int_01 2001.5184 I [was gonna say], what kind of specific Rochesterian like memories do the younger kids have? 2006.9606 1850 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2001.6496 [That's-] 2002.0775 1851 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2007.0134 Yeah. 2007.2927 1852 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2007.2927 (pause 0.08) 2007.3683 1853 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2007.3683 They're not gonna have that same- 2008.9970 1854 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2008.9970 (pause 0.87) 2009.8633 1855 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2009.8633 those same memories, 2011.0331 1856 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2011.0331 (pause 0.08) 2011.1159 1857 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2011.1159 you know, they gonna [have Santa] or whatever, but- the easter bunny, but 2014.5510 1858 ROC_int_01 2011.5733 [Mm-hm.] 2011.9763 1859 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2015.0907 they know 2015.7904 1860 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2015.7904 (pause 0.22) 2016.0126 1861 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2016.0126 that it's somebody in that costume, [so] 2017.9887 1862 ROC_int_01 2017.7854 [Mm-hm.] 2018.3149 1863 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2018.3716 it's nothing else for them. 2019.8553 1864 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2019.8553 (pause 0.09) 2019.9498 1865 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2019.9498 Then they got these little statues standing there, but 2022.2899 1866 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2022.2899 (pause 0.37) 2022.6622 1867 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2022.6622 it's not that much. It's not huge like riding a monorail. 2025.5232 1868 ROC_int_01 2025.8919 [Right.] 2026.2713 1869 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2026.2358 You know, it's not like that, (laughing) 2027.5524 1870 ROC_int_01 2027.8113 Yeah. 2028.2647 1871 ROC_int_01 2028.2647 (pause 0.08) 2028.3427 1872 ROC_int_01 2028.3427 [That was tradition.] [I definitely] [remember- I could] be- remember like being so excited 2033.1390 1873 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2028.4018 [so.] 2028.7327 1874 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2028.7327 (pause 0.70) 2029.4299 1875 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2029.4299 [Mm-hm.] 2029.9074 1876 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2029.9074 (pause 0.12) 2030.0256 1877 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2030.0256 [] 2031.0183 1878 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2033.1643 [Yeah.] 2033.6039 1879 ROC_int_01 2033.4794 [to] go downtown [to like] 2035.1049 1880 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2034.5069 [Right.] 2034.9087 1881 ROC_int_01 2035.2018 that's when you knew it was [Christmas.] 2036.6994 1882 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2036.6380 [Right.] 2036.9240 1883 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2037.0950 And I got 'em dressed. They had to wear something red 2039.7531 1884 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2039.7531 (pause 0.08) 2039.8347 1885 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2039.8347 cause they had to take the picture with Santa. 2041.3876 1886 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2041.3876 (pause 0.32) 2041.7114 1887 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2041.7114 And then we had to walk up this mountain to get to him. You know, he was up at the top or whatever. 2046.1602 1888 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2046.1602 (pause 0.64) 2046.7992 1889 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2046.7992 So, um, yeah I still dress 'em. 2048.8462 1890 ROC_int_01 2049.0253 [Mm-hm.] 2049.6098 1891 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2049.0477 [They'll still wear] red [or whatever], but we're going to see Santa at the mall. 2052.3398 1892 ROC_int_01 2049.9581 [Right.] 2050.3386 1893 ROC_int_01 2052.3766 [Mm-hm.] 2052.8777 1894 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2052.7430 [So] they're not really into it. 2054.0761 1895 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2054.6718 So- even at six, 2055.8885 1896 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2055.8885 (pause 0.69) 2056.5808 1897 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2056.5808 whereas at six when I was younger, I couldn't wait to get there. 2059.6584 1898 ROC_int_01 2059.7293 Right. 2060.0082 1899 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2060.9159 So that- that's a big difference. 2062.5950 1900 ROC_int_01 2062.8928 Same. 2063.3738 1901 ROC_int_01 2063.3738 (pause 0.11) 2063.4873 1902 ROC_int_01 2063.4873 And I- I also have been thinking about like, 2066.0366 1903 ROC_int_01 2066.0366 (pause 1.51) 2067.5427 1904 ROC_int_01 2067.5427 yeah, what places are there 2069.6842 1905 ROC_int_01 2069.6842 (pause 0.83) 2070.5143 1906 ROC_int_01 2070.5143 around here that 2071.8380 1907 ROC_int_01 2071.8380 (pause 1.17) 2073.0120 1908 ROC_int_01 2073.0120 are really historical and that kids can 2075.4998 1909 ROC_int_01 2075.4998 (pause 1.64) 2077.1411 1910 ROC_int_01 2077.1411 [remember?] 2077.7987 1911 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2077.5382 [It's nothing.] 2078.2880 1912 ROC_int_01 2078.3967 Yeah. 2078.7489 1913 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2078.7844 2079.1011 1914 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2079.1011 (pause 0.29) 2079.3872 1915 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2079.3872 They have the Strong Museum [though, so that] changes- 2082.0385 1916 ROC_int_01 2080.7243 [Okay.] 2081.3294 1917 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2082.5349 that changes, um, 2083.9295 1918 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2083.9295 (pause 0.85) 2084.7765 1919 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2084.7765 but there's a lot of things in there that's the same, but, 2086.9559 1920 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2086.9559 (pause 0.31) 2087.2632 1921 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2087.2632 you know, they try to change it up a little bit, 2089.1498 1922 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2089.1498 (pause 0.10) 2089.2490 1923 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2089.2490 [but], 2089.5504 1924 ROC_int_01 2089.2786 [Mm-hm.] 2089.7939 1925 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2090.3986 I don't know. 2090.9706 1926 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2090.9706 (pause 0.40) 2091.3678 1927 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2091.3678 You know, Christmas time, it still isn't, 2093.0744 1928 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2093.0744 (pause 0.49) 2093.5613 1929 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2093.5613 you know, as big as it used to be. 2095.2924 1930 ROC_int_01 2095.8124 Right. 2096.1055 1931 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2096.2142 You know, so. 2097.0321 1932 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2097.0321 (pause 0.48) 2097.5096 1933 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2097.5096 We still do like 2098.6686 1934 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2098.6686 (pause 0.14) 2098.8104 1935 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2098.8104 the Easter egg hunts at the house so I still, you know, take 'em to church, do the Easter- cause that's what I did. That's what my kids did, 2105.0352 1936 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2105.0352 (pause 0.56) 2105.5938 1937 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2105.5938 and so 2106.3691 1938 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2106.3691 (pause 0.40) 2106.7710 1939 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2106.7710 I'm tryna 2107.3285 1940 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2107.3285 (pause 0.12) 2107.4517 1941 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2107.4517 help them make, 2108.2554 1942 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2108.2554 (pause 0.33) 2108.5816 1943 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2108.5816 you know, s- 2109.0031 1944 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2109.0031 (pause 0.07) 2109.0764 1945 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2109.0764 those kinds of memories. 2110.3922 1946 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2110.3922 (pause 0.72) 2111.1075 1947 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2111.1075 So it's important but 2112.5352 1948 ROC_int_01 2113.2262 [Yeah.] 2113.6044 1949 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2113.3302 [gotta] find it, 2114.3135 1950 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2114.6823 you know. (laughing) 2115.3819 1951 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2115.3819 (pause 0.42) 2115.8027 1952 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2115.8027 [You gotta find] it, so. 2117.1926 1953 ROC_int_01 2115.8641 [Right.] 2116.2234 1954 ROC_int_01 2117.2263 Right. 2117.7173 1955 ROC_int_01 2117.7173 (pause 0.09) 2117.8116 1956 ROC_int_01 2117.8116 Cause I feel like we have a, uh, lot of other rich history here [regarding] like, you know, [Frederick Douglass.] 2123.8258 1957 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2121.5046 [Mm-hm.] 2121.8828 1958 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2121.8828 (pause 1.65) 2123.5279 1959 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2123.5279 [Susan] B. Anthony House. I've never been in there. 2126.0960 1960 ROC_int_01 2126.1030 Oh my god, /??/ [been.] 2127.5451 1961 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2127.2607 [And it's] right up the street. 2128.3244 1962 ROC_int_01 2128.5560 [Right.] 2128.8869 1963 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2128.8034 [What?] (laughing) 2129.8742 1964 ROC_int_01 2129.1840 [] 2129.8246 1965 ROC_int_01 2130.0420 2130.2524 1966 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2130.2761 I've never. I'm like I- 2131.8844 1967 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2131.8844 (pause 0.08) 2131.9671 1968 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2131.9671 I gotta do- they do tours all the time. 2133.8942 1969 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2133.8942 (pause 0.75) 2134.6411 1970 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2134.6411 But, you know, maybe that- maybe that is something to do, something that I've never done, so 2138.9392 1971 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2138.9392 (pause 0.90) 2139.8422 1972 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2139.8422 yeah. 2140.2204 1973 ROC_int_01 2140.5466 George Eastman [House.] 2141.6962 1974 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2141.6473 [Yeah.] 2141.9097 1975 ROC_int_01 2141.9125 That- okay. I've [done] [that several] [times]. 2144.3470 1976 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2142.8079 [that-] 2142.9323 1977 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2142.9323 (pause 0.23) 2143.1593 1978 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2143.1593 [me too.] 2143.6155 1979 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2143.6155 (pause 0.36) 2143.9728 1980 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2143.9728 [Mm-hm.] 2144.3959 1981 ROC_int_01 2144.5330 Okay. 2144.9916 1982 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2145.3554 Yep. 2145.6950 1983 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2145.6950 (pause 1.30) 2146.9986 1984 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2146.9986 That was nice. 2147.8306 1985 ROC_int_01 2147.9866 [Yeah.] 2148.3357 1986 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2148.1624 [It's] a nice house, 2149.1937 1987 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2149.4786 lot of history there, but 2150.7408 1988 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2150.7408 (pause 0.52) 2151.2608 1989 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2151.2608 mainly, you have to take 'em outside of Rochester to 2154.3582 1990 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2154.3582 (pause 0.33) 2154.6891 1991 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2154.6891 see that, 2155.2847 1992 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2155.2847 (pause 0.83) 2156.1121 1993 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2156.1121 you know, so. 2156.9677 1994 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2156.9677 (pause 0.28) 2157.2466 1995 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2157.2466 I- 2157.4255 1996 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2157.4255 (pause 0.10) 2157.5272 1997 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2157.5272 I took /RD-NAME-3/ to this farm where 2159.5836 1998 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2159.5836 (pause 0.53) 2160.1171 1999 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2160.1171 the whole farm is like, 2161.7805 2000 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2161.7805 (pause 0.11) 2161.8952 2001 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2161.8952 um, 2162.3532 2002 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2162.3532 (pause 1.04) 2163.3979 2003 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2163.3979 I don't- 2163.6329 2004 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2163.6329 (pause 0.17) 2163.7984 2005 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2163.7984 I don't know plantations, but 2165.6663 2006 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2165.6663 (pause 0.42) 2166.0906 2007 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2166.0906 it was those type of houses. They were shacks, 2168.0817 2008 ROC_int_01 2168.4268 [Yeah.] 2168.6677 2009 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2168.6360 [and], um, 2169.5461 2010 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2169.9099 you went inside and somebody was 2171.4510 2011 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2171.4510 (pause 0.37) 2171.8178 2012 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2171.8178 making clothes and 2173.1510 2013 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2173.1510 (pause 0.33) 2173.4819 2014 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2173.4819 somebody was, um, 2174.4652 2015 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2174.4652 (pause 0.18) 2174.6449 2016 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2174.6449 making bread from scratch. 2176.3949 2017 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2176.3949 (pause 0.31) 2176.7069 2018 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2176.7069 So they got see all those thing- every house, 2178.9343 2019 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2178.9343 (pause 0.12) 2179.0513 2020 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2179.0513 they were doing something different. 2180.2525 2021 ROC_int_01 2180.4794 Mm-hm. 2181.0576 2022 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2181.1048 So one guy was doing glass 2182.9683 2023 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2182.9683 (pause 0.74) 2183.7058 2024 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2183.7058 from 2184.0710 2025 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2184.0710 (pause 0.11) 2184.1821 2026 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2184.1821 things that they did 2185.1985 2027 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2185.1985 (pause 0.11) 2185.3072 2028 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2185.3072 years ago when 2186.4666 2029 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2186.4666 (pause 0.26) 2186.7314 2030 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2186.7314 they didn't have the stores an- 2188.1354 2031 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2188.1354 (pause 0.28) 2188.4191 2032 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2188.4191 so they would let them 2189.6632 2033 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2189.6632 (pause 0.30) 2189.9611 2034 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2189.9611 help them cut out a pattern for a shirt or whatever. 2192.5517 2035 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2192.5517 (pause 0.42) 2192.9677 2036 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2192.9677 Then you went to the next house. She, uh, 2194.2441 2037 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2194.2441 (pause 0.14) 2194.3860 2038 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2194.3860 let them 2194.8974 2039 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2194.8974 (pause 0.29) 2195.1905 2040 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2195.1905 help her 2195.8712 2041 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2195.8712 (pause 0.17) 2196.0414 2042 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2196.0414 knead the bread and, 2197.1146 2043 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2197.1146 (pause 0.29) 2197.4029 2044 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2197.4029 you know, 2197.8473 2045 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2197.8473 (pause 0.56) 2198.4052 2046 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2198.4052 so 2198.9394 2047 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2198.9394 (pause 0.12) 2199.0575 2048 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2199.0575 that- that was nice for them. 2200.5089 2049 ROC_int_01 2200.5371 Mm-hm. 2201.0630 2050 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2201.2033 Yeah. 2201.5389 2051 ROC_int_01 2201.7138 That sounds familiar. 2202.8721 2052 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2203.5434 Yeah, I can't remember what 2204.6543 2053 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2204.6543 (pause 0.15) 2204.8056 2054 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2204.8056 the name of that farm was. But it was freezing when we went to it. It was so cold. 2208.7302 2055 ROC_int_01 2209.6521 Yeah. 2210.1438 2056 ROC_int_01 2210.1438 (pause 0.29) 2210.4321 2057 ROC_int_01 2210.4321 And I guess too there are things like pumpkin patches and- 2213.9880 2058 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2214.0306 Yeah. 2214.4324 2059 ROC_int_01 2215.1211 [yeah, /plus/] those are still kind of more so outside of 2218.1356 2060 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2215.1317 [/unintelligible/] 2215.6561 2061 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2218.5245 Yeah. 2218.8459 2062 ROC_int_01 2219.0114 they [city.] 2219.6165 2063 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2219.2950 [Yeah], it's nothing in the city. There's- 2220.7850 2064 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2221.1679 you know, the public market is huge. You know the- it's been there forever. 2224.5528 2065 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2224.5528 (pause 0.52) 2225.0728 2066 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2225.0728 Forever. Now the west side has one on Genesee Street at Saint Monica's every [Tuesday.] 2229.8153 2067 ROC_int_01 2229.3473 [Yup.] 2229.6215 2068 ROC_int_01 2230.0848 [Mm-hm.] 2230.6096 2069 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2230.3874 [So] 2231.0114 2070 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2231.4605 you know, that- that's nice. They- they try to ge- and it- and all the stuff is 2235.4702 2071 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2235.4702 (pause 0.94) 2236.4110 2072 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2236.4110 from 2236.9964 2073 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2236.9964 (pause 0.12) 2237.1194 2074 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2237.1194 people in the nineteenth ward. 2238.4040 2075 ROC_int_01 2239.1793 I [didn't know that.] 2240.0492 2076 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2239.3968 [Everything is grown] from people in the nineteenth ward, [so], 2242.3996 2077 ROC_int_01 2241.7850 [Wow.] 2242.2956 2078 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2242.9196 you know, and then they take it out there and they sell it 2245.3952 2079 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2245.3952 (pause 0.08) 2245.4709 2080 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2245.4709 at their little vendors, so 2246.8103 2081 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2246.8103 (pause 0.59) 2247.3979 2082 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2247.3979 that's nice. 2247.9416 2083 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2247.9416 (pause 0.37) 2248.3151 2084 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2248.3151 Yeah, I was speaking with this lady, uh, /RD-NAME-3/ and I was walking, 2251.6913 2085 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2251.6913 (pause 0.32) 2252.0080 2086 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2252.0080 and she was telling me, have you been there? I said, no. 2254.0976 2087 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2254.0976 (pause 0.49) 2254.5845 2088 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2254.5845 And she was saying, well you gotta go 2256.0509 2089 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2256.0509 (pause 0.25) 2256.2967 2090 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2256.2967 cause it's all nineteenth ward, [so.] 2258.0364 2091 ROC_int_01 2257.7291 [Mm-hm.] 2258.2586 2092 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2258.2917 I still haven't been though, but 2259.6485 2093 ROC_int_01 2259.8463 [Yeah.] 2260.2717 2094 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2259.9038 [I forget.] 2260.3285 2095 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2260.7161 2261.2196 2096 ROC_int_01 2261.4205 [Yeah.] 2261.8838 2097 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2261.5033 [Cause I go on] Saturdays, so I get what I need. I never- by Tuesday, I'm not out, 2265.9369 2098 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2266.0456 [so.] 2266.4900 2099 ROC_int_01 2266.1590 [Mm-hm.] 2266.7405 2100 ROC_int_01 2266.8965 Yeah, no, it was same. We- 2268.7505 2101 ROC_int_01 2268.7505 (pause 0.48) 2269.2327 2102 ROC_int_01 2269.2327 if I'm here in town we go to the ones on Saturday. 2271.9321 2103 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2271.9700 Yeah. 2272.3103 2104 ROC_int_01 2272.5231 Yeah, and they just got the Food Tr- Truck Rodeo [there] 2275.6771 2105 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2275.3462 [Oh yeah.] 2275.9750 2106 ROC_int_01 2276.1133 [on Wednesdays.] 2277.2478 2107 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2276.1346 [Yeah.] 2276.5186 2108 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2276.5186 (pause 0.44) 2276.9630 2109 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2276.9630 [Yeah.] [You've been] to that? 2278.1212 2110 ROC_int_01 2277.4648 [Yeah.] 2277.7886 2111 ROC_int_01 2278.4659 I've been [once], 2279.5012 2112 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2279.4161 [Yeah.] 2279.8983 2113 ROC_int_01 2279.9362 [but], 2280.3427 2114 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2280.0780 [That's great.] 2280.5791 2115 ROC_int_01 2280.4987 [yeah.] 2281.0282 2116 ROC_int_01 2281.8035 I hear they change the trucks s- and stuff [like-] 2284.5616 2117 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2284.4482 [Oh] really? 2285.0823 2118 ROC_int_01 2285.0905 yeah, [so.] 2285.8038 2119 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2285.5154 [Oh wow.] I know they have a band out there and stuff, so you have to, 2288.6931 2120 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2289.1895 you know, look and see who's playing at night, but- 2291.4871 2121 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2291.4871 (pause 0.82) 2292.3096 2122 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2292.3096 so. 2292.6311 2123 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2292.6311 (pause 0.18) 2292.8107 2124 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2292.8107 I- I went years ago, 2294.3777 2125 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2294.3777 (pause 0.10) 2294.4806 2126 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2294.4806 but I haven't been since then, 2295.7993 2127 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2295.7993 (pause 0.42) 2296.2234 2128 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2296.2234 you know. 2296.6584 2129 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2296.6584 (pause 0.24) 2296.8947 2130 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2296.8947 I l- one time, that was it. 2298.1664 2131 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2298.1664 (pause 0.27) 2298.4406 2132 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2298.4406 It was kind of crowded then though. [It was a lot] of people 2300.8714 2133 ROC_int_01 2299.9211 [Mm-hm.] 2300.2615 2134 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2301.5049 just sitting out in chairs and relaxing. 2303.6700 2135 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2303.6700 (pause 0.64) 2304.3130 2136 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2304.3130 So it's still some nice things to do 2306.0961 2137 ROC_int_01 2306.2473 [Yeah.] 2306.7910 2138 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2306.6161 [to-] even during the week. 2307.8500 2139 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2308.4031 On a Wednesday, you go to 2310.2596 2140 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2310.2596 (pause 0.15) 2310.4050 2141 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2310.4050 you know, rodeo, okay. 2311.9070 2142 ROC_int_01 2312.6700 [] 2313.5793 2143 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2312.8733 [Yeah.] 2313.2846 2144 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2313.7140 [Yeah.] 2314.0591 2145 ROC_int_01 2313.9268 [Right.] 2314.3113 2146 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2314.4267 /Mm-mm/. 2314.6631 2147 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2314.6631 (pause 0.21) 2314.8711 2148 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2314.8711 [So.] 2315.2067 2149 ROC_int_01 2314.9704 [Yeah.] So I kind of- yeah, I- I think 2316.9918 2150 ROC_int_01 2317.4787 I like the- 2318.2540 2151 ROC_int_01 2318.2540 (pause 1.01) 2319.2610 2152 ROC_int_01 2319.2610 there's still touches of a 2320.7454 2153 ROC_int_01 2320.7454 (pause 0.11) 2320.8553 2154 ROC_int_01 2320.8553 small town or 2322.3583 2155 ROC_int_01 2322.3583 (pause 0.25) 2322.6102 2156 ROC_int_01 2322.6102 [community] 2323.6911 2157 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2322.7663 [Yeah.] 2323.0688 2158 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2323.0688 (pause 0.58) 2323.6521 2159 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2323.6521 [y-] 2323.7590 2160 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2324.1148 it's [still around.] 2324.9766 2161 ROC_int_01 2324.2566 [oriented.] Yeah. 2325.5273 2162 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2325.5628 Th- that- that's good they didn't let a few bad ones just ruin everything, 2329.9684 2163 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2329.9684 (pause 0.53) 2330.4979 2164 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2330.4979 so. 2331.0652 2165 ROC_int_01 2331.2637 [Mm-hm.] 2331.8689 2166 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2331.4387 [That's still] out there. I get out there. I'm not afraid cause I figure, if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, so. 2336.2946 2167 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2336.8288 You can't just stay in the house be afraid to do 2339.3155 2168 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2339.3155 (pause 0.47) 2339.7835 2169 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2339.7835 things, 2340.3508 2170 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2340.3508 (pause 0.15) 2340.4973 2171 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2340.4973 you know, 2340.9709 2172 ROC_int_01 2341.5051 [Yeah.] 2341.8833 2173 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2341.8077 [so.] 2342.3088 2174 ROC_int_01 2342.4223 Right. No, you're absolutely right. 2344.3794 2175 ROC_int_01 2344.3794 (pause 0.29) 2344.6725 2176 ROC_int_01 2344.6725 Yeah. 2345.0507 2177 ROC_int_01 2345.0507 (pause 0.67) 2345.7173 2178 ROC_int_01 2345.7173 Okay, [um], 2346.8885 2179 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2346.3240 [Ye-] 2346.5131 2180 ROC_int_01 2348.0271 yeah, so 2349.1428 2181 ROC_int_01 2349.1428 (pause 0.48) 2349.6211 2182 ROC_int_01 2349.6211 the only, uh- yeah, I always ask too if you consent to 2352.8878 2183 ROC_int_01 2352.8878 (pause 0.43) 2353.3132 2184 ROC_int_01 2353.3132 me using this interview again at the end of the interview 2355.9226 2185 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2356.1968 [Oh yes.] 2356.7878 2186 ROC_int_01 2356.2394 [just to- yeah], [okay.] 2357.2274 2187 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2357.1612 [Yes.] 2357.5489 2188 ROC_int_01 2357.6252 [Great.] 2357.8597 2189 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2357.7770 [Yes.] 2358.2203 2190 ROC_int_01 2358.2722 Okay, [awesome.] 2359.0617 2191 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2358.7922 [Okay.] 2359.2177 2192 ROC_int_01 2359.5675 [Thank you.] 2360.0271 2193 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2359.6136 [Good.] 2360.1618 2194 ROC_se0_ag3_f_01 2360.2550 You're welcome. 2360.8918