Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 ROC_int_01 0.1981 So, um, 1.3738 2 ROC_int_01 1.3738 (pause 0.31) 1.6789 3 ROC_int_01 1.6789 1.7507 4 ROC_int_01 1.7507 (pause 0.51) 2.2578 5 ROC_int_01 2.2578 yeah what part of the city I guess (laughing) where y- did you grow up? 5.1279 6 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 5.1863 5.2758 7 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 5.2758 (pause 0.12) 5.3972 8 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 5.3972 Uh, it would be southwest Rochester. 7.9711 9 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 7.9711 (pause 1.65) 9.6180 10 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 9.6180 And um, I grew up on /RD-ADDRESS-5/ Street. 14.3440 11 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 14.3440 (pause 1.10) 15.4397 12 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 15.4397 Uh, 16.0859 13 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 16.0859 (pause 0.29) 16.3776 14 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 16.3776 we lived on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street. 17.7418 15 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 17.7418 (pause 1.05) 18.7918 16 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 18.7918 So that was my earliest- uh, 21.3182 17 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 21.3182 (pause 0.43) 21.7458 18 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 21.7458 you know, 22.2080 19 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 22.2080 (pause 0.33) 22.5364 20 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 22.5364 my childhood all the way up to, you know, 24.7508 21 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 24.7508 (pause 0.10) 24.8530 22 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 24.8530 my teenage years. 25.8706 23 ROC_int_01 26.0366 Ah, okay. 26.9161 24 ROC_int_01 26.9161 (pause 0.19) 27.1046 25 ROC_int_01 27.1046 And what was that neighborhood like for like someone who 29.8490 26 ROC_int_01 29.8490 (pause 0.22) 30.0734 27 ROC_int_01 30.0734 is not from Rochester? How would you describe it? 32.1672 28 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 32.1161 32.1704 29 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 32.2435 Well, I think early, uh, 33.9846 30 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 33.9846 (pause 0.42) 34.4034 31 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 34.4034 in my life when, uh, 35.9598 32 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 35.9598 (pause 0.33) 36.2872 33 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 36.2872 attending grade school, 37.5484 34 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 37.5484 (pause 0.16) 37.7099 35 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 37.7099 uh, the neighborhood was 39.2985 36 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 39.2985 (pause 0.82) 40.1160 37 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 40.1160 I thinks 40.5871 38 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 40.5871 (pause 0.40) 40.9865 39 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 40.9865 pretty much diverse 42.3544 40 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 42.3544 (pause 0.14) 42.4949 41 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 42.4949 at the time, 43.2796 42 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 43.2796 (pause 0.67) 43.9527 43 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 43.9527 and, um, 45.0431 44 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 45.0431 (pause 0.35) 45.3895 45 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 45.3895 as I started getting older around maybe seventh, eighth grade, uh, people started moving out of the neighborhood, 51.7347 46 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 51.7347 (pause 0.57) 52.3009 47 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 52.3009 that, uh, were white and, uh, other ethnicities. And, uh, 56.1331 48 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 56.1331 (pause 0.77) 56.9026 49 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 56.9026 56.9538 50 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 56.9538 (pause 0.17) 57.1275 51 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 57.1275 what- 57.3249 52 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 57.3249 (pause 0.20) 57.5224 53 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 57.5224 what tend to happen is that, 59.1954 54 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 59.1954 (pause 0.09) 59.2897 55 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 59.2897 um, 59.7616 56 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 59.7616 (pause 1.28) 61.0418 57 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 61.0418 61.1089 58 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 61.1089 (pause 0.13) 61.2439 59 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 61.2439 uh, 61.8419 60 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 61.8419 (pause 1.79) 63.6287 61 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 63.6287 blacks, uh, basically moved in 66.0564 62 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 66.0564 (pause 0.36) 66.4153 63 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 66.4153 and so we settled in what was called the third ward at that time. 69.9765 64 ROC_int_01 71.0273 Mm. 71.3235 65 ROC_int_01 71.3235 (pause 1.06) 72.3799 66 ROC_int_01 72.3799 And then, um, you said you grew up there until your teenage years. Where was the next 76.6097 67 ROC_int_01 76.6097 (pause 0.26) 76.8726 68 ROC_int_01 76.8726 part of Rochester you live in? 78.3628 69 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 78.6837 Well, the next part of Rochester, it- it sort of varied. Uh, I still was, uh, located, uh, 84.2956 70 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 84.2956 (pause 0.34) 84.6321 71 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 84.6321 uh, 85.0866 72 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 85.0866 (pause 0.10) 85.1885 73 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 85.1885 pretty much in the Southwest. 86.6792 74 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 86.6792 (pause 0.48) 87.1593 75 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 87.1593 But, uh, I moved, uh, across town to the Northeast. 91.3147 76 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 91.3147 (pause 0.65) 91.9661 77 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 91.9661 Um, 92.5764 78 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 92.5764 (pause 0.91) 93.4829 79 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 93.4829 and I was young at the time, I did a lot of, uh, 96.1977 80 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 96.1977 (pause 0.59) 96.7882 81 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 96.7882 exploring as, uh, a young person. 99.0678 82 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 99.0678 (pause 0.49) 99.5570 83 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 99.5570 Uh, 100.0281 84 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 100.0281 (pause 0.24) 100.2668 85 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 100.2668 sort of troubled as a young- 101.9361 86 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 101.9361 (pause 1.25) 103.1836 87 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 103.1836 uh, as a young man. So, uh, 105.6606 88 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 105.6606 (pause 0.45) 106.1147 89 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 106.1147 it took me to, uh, various neighborhoods in the city of Rochester at that time, so. 110.0905 90 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 110.0905 (pause 0.63) 110.7187 91 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 110.7187 Uh, I- 111.2438 92 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 111.2438 (pause 0.11) 111.3567 93 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 111.3567 I- I did have the experience, uh, very young, of living in 115.4313 94 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 115.4313 (pause 0.65) 116.0820 95 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 116.0820 quite a few neighborhoods in the city of Rochester. 118.5598 96 ROC_int_01 119.4034 Mm, 119.7310 97 ROC_int_01 119.7310 (pause 0.32) 120.0541 98 ROC_int_01 120.0541 okay. 120.5657 99 ROC_int_01 120.5657 (pause 0.38) 120.9408 100 ROC_int_01 120.9408 Um, 121.4703 101 ROC_int_01 121.4703 (pause 0.18) 121.6498 102 ROC_int_01 121.6498 and 122.3274 103 ROC_int_01 122.3274 (pause 0.23) 122.5562 104 ROC_int_01 122.5562 did you go to school in, 124.2974 105 ROC_int_01 124.2974 (pause 0.24) 124.5397 106 ROC_int_01 124.5397 uh, 125.1275 107 ROC_int_01 125.1275 (pause 0.28) 125.4065 108 ROC_int_01 125.4065 the neighborhoods? Let's see, 126.9727 109 ROC_int_01 126.9727 (pause 0.48) 127.4528 110 ROC_int_01 127.4528 I guess, so, did you go to school in the third ward? 130.0690 111 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 130.1767 Yes, right in the s- southwest neighborhood. Uh, 132.7487 112 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 132.7487 (pause 0.63) 133.3815 113 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 133.3815 m- my earlier school was about maybe a four, five block walk. Uh, we went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/ School on, uh, /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street. 140.8583 114 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 140.8583 (pause 0.81) 141.6675 115 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 141.6675 Uh, we stayed very far from that. And then around nineteen sixty-two, /RD-SCHOOL-8/, uh, opened. 148.0479 116 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 148.0479 (pause 0.54) 148.5872 117 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 148.5872 And, uh, we were the inaugural, uh, students at that school. 153.1105 118 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 153.1105 (pause 0.58) 153.6946 119 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 153.6946 And, uh, from there I went to, uh, /RD-SCHOOL-3/ High School. 157.7019 120 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 157.7019 (pause 0.73) 158.4333 121 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 158.4333 Um, 159.4161 122 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 159.4161 (pause 0.37) 159.7867 123 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 159.7867 had a little difficulty at that school and then transferred to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School, uh, on /RD-ADDRESS-4/ Street, so. 165.7153 124 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 165.7153 (pause 0.69) 166.4019 125 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 166.4019 You know, I was educated in the public school system. Uh, 169.5278 126 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 169.5278 (pause 0.44) 169.9702 127 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 169.9702 unfortunately I didn't graduate, 171.7124 128 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 171.7124 (pause 0.06) 171.7771 129 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 171.7771 uh, but, uh, 173.1518 130 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 173.1518 (pause 0.88) 174.0326 131 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 174.0326 I continued to, um, 175.6777 132 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 175.6777 (pause 1.14) 176.8195 133 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 176.8195 176.8738 134 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 176.8738 (pause 0.07) 176.9476 135 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 176.9476 uh, sort of strive around the city of Rochester. 179.7145 136 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 179.7145 (pause 0.61) 180.3203 137 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 180.3203 Uh, 181.4044 138 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 181.4044 (pause 1.15) 182.5532 139 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 182.5532 took a break back and forth, uh, lived a little bit in Binghamton y- 186.9651 140 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 186.9651 (pause 0.17) 187.1311 141 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 187.1311 New York when, uh, I was young. 188.9844 142 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 188.9844 (pause 0.57) 189.5551 143 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 189.5551 And, uh, when I came back here I settled once again, 192.3911 144 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 192.3911 (pause 0.66) 193.0508 145 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 193.0508 uh, in the northeast part of the city. 195.2047 146 ROC_int_01 195.5735 Okay. 196.1165 147 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 196.1479 Yeah. 196.4800 148 ROC_int_01 196.5787 And what was interesting to you about 198.7860 149 ROC_int_01 198.7860 (pause 0.14) 198.9211 150 ROC_int_01 198.9211 Binghamton? 199.5583 151 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 200.6828 Well, uh, w- what- what happened is that, um, 203.8599 152 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 203.8599 (pause 0.90) 204.7572 153 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 204.7572 204.8148 154 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 204.8148 (pause 0.08) 204.8973 155 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 204.8973 like I said I was- 205.9069 156 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 205.9069 (pause 1.20) 207.1051 157 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 207.1051 you know I g- 207.6211 158 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 207.6211 (pause 0.12) 207.7393 159 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 207.7393 I- 207.9054 160 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 207.9054 (pause 0.10) 208.0063 161 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 208.0063 I got into, uh, trouble with, uh, 211.6400 162 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 211.6400 (pause 0.44) 212.0779 163 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 212.0779 uh, narcotics. 213.3748 164 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 213.3748 (pause 0.70) 214.0730 165 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 214.0730 Uh, 214.7781 166 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 214.7781 (pause 0.14) 214.9217 167 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 214.9217 I was addicted very young as a young person to, uh, drugs, so it sort of followed that and 220.0932 168 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 220.0932 (pause 0.67) 220.7645 169 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 220.7645 uh, th- 221.1728 170 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 221.1728 (pause 0.10) 221.2682 171 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 221.2682 the lifestyle that I had back at, uh, you know tha- that time, 225.3847 172 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 225.3847 (pause 0.09) 225.4744 173 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 225.4744 it 225.7078 174 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 225.7078 (pause 0.38) 226.0918 175 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 226.0918 it move- 226.6438 176 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 226.6438 (pause 0.13) 226.7784 177 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 226.7784 moved us to different cities and stuff because, uh, 229.3658 178 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 229.3658 (pause 0.47) 229.8370 179 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 229.8370 we were in that, 230.5056 180 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 230.5056 (pause 0.08) 230.5893 181 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 230.5893 uh, trade at that time and so, uh, 232.9391 182 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 232.9391 (pause 0.66) 233.5969 183 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 233.5969 uh, 234.2027 184 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 234.2027 (pause 0.14) 234.3407 185 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 234.3407 caused me to be very, very mobile 237.0049 186 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 237.0049 (pause 0.10) 237.1083 187 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 237.1083 and, uh, 238.1318 188 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 238.1318 (pause 0.42) 238.5505 189 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 238.5505 really not putting down a lot of roots anywhere. 240.5698 190 ROC_int_01 241.1899 Mm-hm. 241.6521 191 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 241.7732 Yeah. 242.1143 192 ROC_int_01 242.1861 Yeah, makes sense. 243.1643 193 ROC_int_01 243.1643 (pause 0.13) 243.2989 194 ROC_int_01 243.2989 And then when you returned from Binghamton and kind of settled down, 247.1607 195 ROC_int_01 247.1607 (pause 0.45) 247.6095 196 ROC_int_01 247.6095 uh, 247.9914 197 ROC_int_01 247.9914 (pause 0.12) 248.1113 198 ROC_int_01 248.1113 what did you decide, I guess was, 250.2584 199 ROC_int_01 250.2584 (pause 0.16) 250.4181 200 ROC_int_01 250.4181 uh, the next step for you maybe in terms of school, or? 253.2523 201 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 253.8042 Well th- the n- 254.6389 202 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 254.6389 (pause 0.11) 254.7499 203 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 254.7499 the next step for me is that I wound up incarcerated, 257.8962 204 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 257.8962 (pause 0.14) 258.0353 205 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 258.0353 but, uh, when I finally got out 259.7989 206 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 259.7989 (pause 0.66) 260.4638 207 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 260.4638 uh, I settled down in the Northeast. 263.0620 208 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 263.0620 (pause 0.45) 263.5107 209 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 263.5107 Uh, I got married, 264.7852 210 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 264.7852 (pause 0.16) 264.9422 211 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 264.9422 uh, had my children. 266.4320 212 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 266.4320 (pause 0.58) 267.0091 213 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 267.0091 Um, 267.7989 214 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 267.7989 (pause 1.03) 268.8246 215 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 268.8246 worked, uh, 270.1798 216 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 270.1798 (pause 0.86) 271.0440 217 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 271.0440 pretty much in the Northeast at the public markets and /?/ 273.8487 218 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 273.8487 (pause 0.20) 274.0533 219 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 274.0533 things like that. And, uh, 275.6328 220 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 275.6328 (pause 0.57) 276.2061 221 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 276.2061 that 276.5662 222 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 276.5662 (pause 0.28) 276.8471 223 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 276.8471 sort of, 277.5516 224 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 277.5516 (pause 0.44) 277.9913 225 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 277.9913 uh, 278.4939 226 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 278.4939 (pause 0.39) 278.8799 227 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 278.8799 started getting me somewhat settled. 280.6236 228 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 280.6236 (pause 0.52) 281.1441 229 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 281.1441 When- 281.4400 230 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 281.4400 (pause 0.09) 281.5331 231 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 281.5331 when, uh, I got out of incarceration, 284.2014 232 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 284.2014 (pause 0.47) 284.6689 233 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 284.6689 uh, while I was incarcerated I accepted Islam. 287.5722 234 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 287.5722 (pause 0.38) 287.9537 235 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 287.9537 And so, um, 289.1608 236 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 289.1608 (pause 0.48) 289.6424 237 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 289.6424 I became Muslim and I started, uh, practicing the faith and, uh, 293.5027 238 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 293.5027 (pause 0.42) 293.9209 239 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 293.9209 I attended, uh, the mosque on /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street. It was called /RD-ADDRESS-4/ at the time. 298.5361 240 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 298.5361 (pause 0.59) 299.1293 241 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 299.1293 And, uh, from there, um, 301.2967 242 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 301.2967 (pause 0.55) 301.8486 243 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 301.8486 I had various responsibilities and duties in the, uh, mosque until I sort of worked my way up and, uh, 308.0196 244 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 308.0196 (pause 0.80) 308.8165 245 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 308.8165 I finally became the leader of the mosque and, um, 311.7782 246 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 311.7782 (pause 1.30) 313.0803 247 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 313.0803 we ran- um, 314.3009 248 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 314.3009 (pause 1.36) 315.6561 249 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 315.6561 um, 316.9350 250 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 316.9350 (pause 0.26) 317.1935 251 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 317.1935 you know, we- we- we had a private school at that time, it was /RD-SCHOOL-7/ School. 322.2534 252 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 322.2534 (pause 0.58) 322.8323 253 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 322.8323 Uh, we- 323.6176 254 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 323.6176 (pause 1.19) 324.8030 255 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 324.8030 we educated our own children and everything else like that. Uh, 328.2718 256 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 328.2718 (pause 0.60) 328.8713 257 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 328.8713 uh, the school, uh, stayed around a good, uh, fifteen to twenty years before it closed. Uh, 335.2371 258 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 335.2371 (pause 1.38) 336.6128 259 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 336.6128 we fell on some hard times and, uh, closed the mosque but now, uh, we have a place, uh, on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Boulevard right now, /RD-NAME-9/. 345.2770 260 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 345.2770 (pause 0.52) 345.7930 261 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 345.7930 So, um, 346.6726 262 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 346.6726 (pause 0.82) 347.4901 263 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 347.4901 what- what- what- 348.3965 264 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 348.3965 (pause 0.44) 348.8363 265 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 348.8363 what tend to happen is that on /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street, uh, we were confronted with a lot of, uh, graff, 354.2956 266 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 354.2956 (pause 0.39) 354.6905 267 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 354.6905 uh, crime and corruption because 356.4836 268 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 356.4836 (pause 0.43) 356.9170 269 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 356.9170 /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street at the time in the, uh, northeast part of the city, 360.4845 270 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 360.4845 (pause 0.62) 361.1001 271 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 361.1001 was- um, 362.1412 272 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 362.1412 (pause 0.83) 362.9669 273 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 362.9669 it was a place that was filled with vice, uh, and for forty years it was like a red light, 367.4139 274 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 367.4139 (pause 0.13) 367.5403 275 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 367.5403 uh, district. 368.3436 276 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 368.3436 (pause 0.66) 368.9987 277 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 368.9987 And, uh, we decided to, um, 371.7360 278 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 371.7360 (pause 0.91) 372.6433 279 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 372.6433 uh, do something about that. 374.0972 280 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 374.0972 (pause 0.26) 374.3530 281 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 374.3530 Uh, couple times our mosque had been broken into so 377.3057 282 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 377.3057 (pause 0.63) 377.9321 283 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 377.9321 we decided that we were gonna become, um, 380.6604 284 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 380.6604 (pause 0.81) 381.4685 285 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 381.4685 I wouldn't say vigil- 382.4293 286 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 382.4293 (pause 0.12) 382.5459 287 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 382.5459 vigilantes but were gonna try to take 384.8244 288 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 384.8244 (pause 0.31) 385.1352 289 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 385.1352 our neighborhood and make something out of it. 386.9750 290 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 386.9750 (pause 0.57) 387.5412 291 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 387.5412 So, uh, we were able to close about maybe three or four bars on /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street. 392.0122 292 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 392.0122 (pause 0.08) 392.0969 293 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 392.0969 Uh, 392.6651 294 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 392.6651 (pause 0.92) 393.5866 295 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 393.5866 those bars are still closed today. You can hardly find any crime and corrup- 397.3650 296 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 397.3650 (pause 0.26) 397.6279 297 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 397.6279 corruption that is up there. And 399.3791 298 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 399.3791 (pause 0.10) 399.4778 299 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 399.4778 then based upon that, our group which was called 402.1673 300 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 402.1673 (pause 0.47) 402.6411 301 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 402.6411 /RD-WORK-1/ at the time, /RD-WORK-13/, 405.9214 302 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 405.9214 (pause 0.54) 406.4625 303 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 406.4625 we went to various neighborhoods, 408.8116 304 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 408.8116 (pause 0.13) 408.9428 305 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 408.9428 uh, and tried to share with neighbors, uh, 411.7199 306 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 411.7199 (pause 0.25) 411.9705 307 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 411.9705 effective ways of, uh, 413.5624 308 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 413.5624 (pause 0.46) 414.0246 309 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 414.0246 getting drugs and- 415.4336 310 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 415.4336 (pause 0.24) 415.6767 311 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 415.6767 and, uh, crime out of the neighborhoods. 418.0192 312 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 418.0192 (pause 0.32) 418.3378 313 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 418.3378 Making public safety- 419.7334 314 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 419.7334 (pause 0.41) 420.1462 315 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 420.1462 Uh, we helped the sisters start block clubs and things like that. Based upon that, um, 425.2492 316 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 425.2492 (pause 0.62) 425.8729 317 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 425.8729 I sat on a- 426.8871 318 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 426.8871 (pause 0.37) 427.2558 319 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 427.2558 uh, a council that 428.8444 320 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 428.8444 (pause 0.12) 428.9655 321 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 428.9655 the city of Rochester had at the time, Uh, 431.4426 322 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 431.4426 (pause 0.62) 432.0626 323 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 432.0626 the mayor of the city of Rochester, the county exec, and a few, uh, local business people along with a lot of 438.0668 324 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 438.0668 (pause 0.33) 438.3997 325 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 438.3997 community-based organizations. 440.1004 326 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 440.1004 (pause 0.30) 440.3966 327 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 440.3966 They had a lofty goal of, uh, reducing, uh, drug addiction, 444.1615 328 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 444.1615 (pause 0.49) 444.6559 329 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 444.6559 uh, in the city of Rochester by fifty percent. 447.2182 330 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 447.2182 (pause 0.44) 447.6535 331 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 447.6535 So it was called Rochester Fights Back. And, uh, it was a coalition. 451.3044 332 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 451.3044 (pause 0.45) 451.7539 333 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 451.7539 I volunteered there for some time and then, uh, I was hired as a neighborhood coordinator, 457.1837 334 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 457.1837 (pause 0.49) 457.6773 335 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 457.6773 uh, 458.2427 336 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 458.2427 (pause 0.18) 458.4275 337 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 458.4275 for, uh, that organization. 460.8911 338 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 460.8911 (pause 0.63) 461.5193 339 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 461.5193 And, um, 462.2151 340 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 462.2151 (pause 0.08) 462.2981 341 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 462.2981 462.5651 342 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 462.5651 (pause 0.17) 462.7334 343 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 462.7334 we- we didn't meet the goal of, uh, reducing drugs in ten years by fifty percent, 468.2454 344 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 468.2454 (pause 0.68) 468.9283 345 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 468.9283 but, uh, we did uncover, uh, a lot of the things that, uh, 473.3618 346 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 473.3618 (pause 0.50) 473.8607 347 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 473.8607 uh, 474.3633 348 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 474.3633 (pause 0.11) 474.4762 349 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 474.4762 kept narcotics, uh, somewhat as a challenge for the city of Rochester. 479.1290 350 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 479.1290 (pause 0.73) 479.8612 351 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 479.8612 Um, 480.2875 352 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 480.2875 (pause 0.21) 480.4939 353 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 480.4939 the city of Rochester, 482.0152 354 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 482.0152 (pause 1.14) 483.1550 355 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 483.1550 uh, would be 484.2005 356 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 484.2005 (pause 0.31) 484.5109 357 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 484.5109 just like, uh, the public market is for people that wanna come in 488.2265 358 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 488.2265 (pause 0.43) 488.6573 359 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 488.6573 from all over the region 489.9811 360 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 489.9811 (pause 0.61) 490.5959 361 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 490.5959 and visit the public market, 492.3250 362 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 492.3250 (pause 0.18) 492.5083 363 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 492.5083 buy food there. 493.6975 364 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 493.6975 (pause 0.55) 494.2449 365 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 494.2449 Uh, I'm quite sure you know where the public market is and have- 496.8117 366 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 496.8117 (pause 0.31) 497.1240 367 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 497.1240 and have been there. 498.0394 368 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 498.0394 (pause 0.39) 498.4343 369 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 498.4343 Well, years they've been trying to take the public market and take it out of the city of Rochester, but 502.7866 370 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 502.7866 (pause 0.37) 503.1545 371 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 503.1545 people love coming back in, 504.7906 372 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 504.7906 (pause 0.39) 505.1855 373 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 505.1855 uh, to their old neighborhoods and driving into the city, 507.9415 374 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 507.9415 (pause 0.34) 508.2781 375 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 508.2781 those that had left, uh, prior. 510.0910 376 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 510.0910 (pause 0.56) 510.6553 377 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 510.6553 And, uh, the atmosphere is, uh, 513.3156 378 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 513.3156 (pause 0.54) 513.8541 379 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 513.8541 uh, an atmosphere where it's very diverse and people sort of love that feel. 518.1916 380 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 518.1916 (pause 0.30) 518.4930 381 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 518.4930 It's urban. 519.3770 382 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 519.3770 (pause 0.43) 519.8078 383 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 519.8078 It's, uh, eclectic. 521.5310 384 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 521.5310 (pause 0.37) 521.8990 385 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 521.8990 And, um, 522.8234 386 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 522.8234 (pause 0.32) 523.1473 387 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 523.1473 uh, f- folks acs- 524.4890 388 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 524.4890 (pause 0.12) 524.6057 389 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 524.6057 actually like that, right? 525.9115 390 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 525.9115 (pause 0.88) 526.7909 391 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 526.7909 526.8325 392 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 526.8325 (pause 0.08) 526.9122 393 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 526.9122 Well, if you 527.8590 394 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 527.8590 (pause 0.54) 528.3957 395 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 528.3957 follow the analogy, um, 530.5003 396 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 530.5003 (pause 0.70) 531.1985 397 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 531.1985 uh, drugs have a tendency to do the same thing in urban environments. Uh, 536.4020 398 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 536.4020 (pause 0.69) 537.0947 399 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 537.0947 people come from all over, 538.7635 400 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 538.7635 (pause 0.45) 539.2173 401 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 539.2173 uh, the county, 540.5883 402 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 540.5883 (pause 0.49) 541.0761 403 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 541.0761 uh, all over, uh, rural areas 543.7518 404 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 543.7518 (pause 0.43) 544.1820 405 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 544.1820 to, uh, purchase narcotics in- 546.3377 406 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 546.3377 (pause 0.14) 546.4776 407 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 546.4776 in- 546.7707 408 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 546.7707 (pause 0.12) 546.8936 409 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 546.8936 in- 547.0930 410 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 547.0930 (pause 0.08) 547.1761 411 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 547.1761 in the city, and so 548.3119 412 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 548.3119 (pause 0.65) 548.9643 413 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 548.9643 the city actually becomes 550.5480 414 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 550.5480 (pause 0.40) 550.9459 415 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 550.9459 the public market 551.9907 416 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 551.9907 (pause 0.11) 552.1050 417 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 552.1050 for, 552.6714 418 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 552.6714 (pause 0.15) 552.8180 419 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 552.8180 uh, those type of things. So we've tried to work with, 555.6497 420 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 555.6497 (pause 0.16) 555.8058 421 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 555.8058 uh, city police department and neighborhoods 557.8914 422 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 557.8914 (pause 0.63) 558.5249 423 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 558.5249 to try and, 559.9668 424 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 559.9668 (pause 0.22) 560.1890 425 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 560.1890 uh, deter people from coming in and doing that, but, 562.9084 426 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 562.9084 (pause 1.51) 564.4153 427 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 564.4153 uh, racism, 565.4518 428 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 565.4518 (pause 0.30) 565.7496 429 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 565.7496 uh, 566.3642 430 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 566.3642 (pause 0.70) 567.0647 431 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 567.0647 uh, urban planning, uh, 569.2062 432 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 569.2062 (pause 0.71) 569.9201 433 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 569.9201 uh, policies and, uh, 572.1183 434 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 572.1183 (pause 0.49) 572.6128 435 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 572.6128 uh, faulty planning, 574.1161 436 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 574.1161 (pause 0.41) 574.5274 437 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 574.5274 uh, redistricting, uh, our neighborhoods, regentrification 578.6809 438 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 578.6809 (pause 0.45) 579.1261 439 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 579.1261 causes this to settle in, 580.7287 440 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 580.7287 (pause 0.10) 580.8280 441 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 580.8280 uh, to such a degree 582.1706 442 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 582.1706 (pause 0.48) 582.6528 443 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 582.6528 that i- 583.0002 444 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 583.0002 (pause 0.10) 583.1027 445 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 583.1027 it becomes almost impossible to address. And so 586.0769 446 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 586.0769 (pause 0.54) 586.6214 447 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 586.6214 what we have in the city of Rochester now is that, 589.1979 448 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 589.1979 (pause 0.61) 589.8030 449 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 589.8030 uh, based upon the drug trade and public safety, a lot of people have moved. 594.2307 450 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 594.2307 (pause 0.56) 594.7866 451 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 594.7866 Uh, there's a little tax base now. 596.6350 452 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 596.6350 (pause 0.42) 597.0510 453 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 597.0510 Uh, there's entrenched, 599.1887 454 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 599.1887 (pause 0.10) 599.2927 455 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 599.2927 uh, uh, poverty, 601.0088 456 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 601.0088 (pause 0.09) 601.1033 457 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 601.1033 uh, to the deg- g- 601.8786 458 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 601.8786 (pause 0.38) 602.2604 459 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 602.2604 to the degree cause it's concentrated. 603.9587 460 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 603.9587 (pause 0.56) 604.5213 461 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 604.5213 Then in turn, that turns over 606.2233 462 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 606.2233 (pause 0.10) 606.3237 463 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 606.3237 to, uh, how the public school systems work 608.9329 464 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 608.9329 (pause 0.32) 609.2529 465 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 609.2529 and operate and so you can see that. 611.0727 466 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 611.0727 (pause 0.09) 611.1650 467 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 611.1650 So, 611.5277 468 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 611.5277 (pause 0.47) 611.9957 469 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 611.9957 most of my life, uh, the sixty-three years that I've been here, 615.1678 470 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 615.1678 (pause 0.39) 615.5597 471 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 615.5597 uh, I've been in the city of Rochester, and I watched the city, 618.9634 472 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 618.9634 (pause 0.51) 619.4701 473 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 619.4701 uh, be very bustling, 621.3469 474 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 621.3469 (pause 0.13) 621.4813 475 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 621.4813 uh, when I was a young person 623.1670 476 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 623.1670 (pause 0.43) 623.5925 477 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 623.5925 with a- um, 624.5143 478 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 624.5143 (pause 0.44) 624.9540 479 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 624.9540 a bustling downtown, 626.3967 480 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 626.3967 (pause 0.25) 626.6473 481 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 626.6473 strong tax base, 628.0419 482 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 628.0419 (pause 0.37) 628.4106 483 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 628.4106 to where I am now that we 630.0794 484 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 630.0794 (pause 0.22) 630.3016 485 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 630.3016 see the city, it has a lot of challenges. 632.6189 486 ROC_int_01 633.5313 Mm. 633.9142 487 ROC_int_01 633.9142 (pause 0.53) 634.4437 488 ROC_int_01 634.4437 And so as far as, 635.7789 489 ROC_int_01 635.7789 (pause 0.11) 635.8903 490 ROC_int_01 635.8903 um, 636.4434 491 ROC_int_01 636.4434 (pause 0.36) 636.8055 492 ROC_int_01 636.8055 reducing narcotics go, do you think that Rochester has been moving in the right direction? Maybe, let's say in the last ten years? 644.3527 493 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 644.4865 Well, I don't- I don't think too many urban, uh, cities across, uh, America has moved in a good- good direction with that, but, 651.3300 494 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 651.3300 (pause 0.50) 651.8263 495 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 651.8263 uh, 652.2613 496 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 652.2613 (pause 0.10) 652.3592 497 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 652.3592 to- 652.7671 498 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 652.7671 (pause 0.25) 653.0193 499 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 653.0193 to just give you the local, uh, 655.0866 500 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 655.0866 (pause 0.60) 655.6909 501 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 655.6909 uh, reality about Rochester is that 658.2154 502 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 658.2154 (pause 0.74) 658.9529 503 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 658.9529 there's always an ebb and flow in terms of way narcotics are d- 662.2393 504 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 662.2393 (pause 0.17) 662.4130 505 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 662.4130 d- 662.5761 506 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 662.5761 (pause 0.24) 662.8125 507 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 662.8125 distributed. 663.5547 508 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 663.5547 (pause 0.44) 663.9913 509 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 663.9913 When I was coming up as a young man, heroin was, uh, 667.5227 510 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 667.5227 (pause 1.15) 668.6692 511 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 668.6692 668.7140 512 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 668.7140 (pause 0.06) 668.7735 513 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 668.7735 uh, 669.1895 514 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 669.1895 (pause 0.38) 669.5725 515 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 669.5725 a drug that literally 670.8037 516 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 670.8037 (pause 0.13) 670.9340 517 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 670.9340 went through almost 672.1064 518 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 672.1064 (pause 0.08) 672.1842 519 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 672.1842 all of the urban environments in America 674.3764 520 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 674.3764 (pause 0.32) 674.6931 521 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 674.6931 and literally tore, 675.7994 522 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 675.7994 (pause 0.43) 676.2343 523 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 676.2343 um, 676.9245 524 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 676.9245 (pause 0.66) 677.5872 525 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 677.5872 uh, the urban environments down. This is the f- 680.0102 526 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 680.0102 (pause 0.31) 680.3197 527 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 680.3197 one of the first things that caused 682.0357 528 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 682.0357 (pause 0.29) 682.3241 529 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 682.3241 maybe white flight. 683.4234 530 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 683.4234 (pause 0.53) 683.9504 531 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 683.9504 Uh, then, uh, maybe around the eighties, uh, 687.3617 532 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 687.3617 (pause 0.32) 687.6840 533 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 687.6840 cocaine came in and the crack cocaine epidemic 690.5143 534 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 690.5143 (pause 0.39) 690.9034 535 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 690.9034 did the same thing. Now there's a resurgent 693.1347 536 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 693.1347 (pause 0.40) 693.5299 537 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 693.5299 again, 694.1681 538 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 694.1681 (pause 0.27) 694.4376 539 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 694.4376 uh, for heroin, but this time, 696.2813 540 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 696.2813 (pause 0.43) 696.7123 541 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 696.7123 uh, the d- dichotomy is- is that 698.6506 542 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 698.6506 (pause 0.29) 698.9390 543 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 698.9390 it's just not an urban, 700.3761 544 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 700.3761 (pause 0.39) 700.7685 545 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 700.7685 uh, issue or problem. 702.2718 546 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 702.2718 (pause 0.40) 702.6706 547 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 702.6706 People from rural, um, 704.3811 548 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 704.3811 (pause 0.57) 704.9484 549 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 704.9484 uh, areas in the suburbs, uh, 707.3311 550 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 707.3311 (pause 0.35) 707.6837 551 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 707.6837 now we have, uh, uh, white kids getting very addicted to it. And so 711.8183 552 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 711.8183 (pause 0.47) 712.2863 553 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 712.2863 there's a outcry, and an alarmist view that, uh, something really needs to be done about it. 717.6122 554 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 717.6122 (pause 0.46) 718.0763 555 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 718.0763 And so, 718.6484 556 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 718.6484 (pause 0.62) 719.2677 557 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 719.2677 there may be, uh, an uptick 721.5630 558 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 721.5630 (pause 0.13) 721.6929 559 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 721.6929 to try to address the problem, 723.7143 560 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 723.7143 (pause 0.43) 724.1492 561 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 724.1492 but there seems to be a little bit more compassion now because 727.0736 562 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 727.0736 (pause 0.23) 727.3005 563 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 727.3005 another demographic is, uh, 729.0024 564 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 729.0024 (pause 0.36) 729.3578 565 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 729.3578 disproportionately, 730.6200 566 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 730.6200 (pause 0.35) 730.9651 567 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 730.9651 uh, impacted by, uh, this drug trade. 733.7212 568 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 733.7212 (pause 0.43) 734.1562 569 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 734.1562 And so, um, 735.5508 570 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 735.5508 (pause 0.53) 736.0811 571 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 736.0811 most folks that could read the tea leaves, 738.8277 572 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 738.8277 (pause 0.47) 739.3005 573 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 739.3005 uh, 740.0522 574 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 740.0522 (pause 0.45) 740.4993 575 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 740.4993 basically said that this would happen. 742.2958 576 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 742.2958 (pause 0.43) 742.7260 577 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 742.7260 Is that after a while if you think that you can control the masses of the population, 747.1017 578 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 747.1017 (pause 0.44) 747.5421 579 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 747.5421 uh, s- especially in urban neighborhoods where it disproportionately 750.8797 580 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 750.8797 (pause 0.22) 751.1019 581 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 751.1019 affects blacks, 752.2365 582 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 752.2365 (pause 0.52) 752.7565 583 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 752.7565 uh, and, uh, minorities, uh, 755.1495 584 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 755.1495 (pause 0.48) 755.6270 585 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 755.6270 that this thing would never touch, 757.3136 586 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 757.3136 (pause 0.10) 757.4151 587 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 757.4151 uh, maybe the, uh, 759.2671 588 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 759.2671 (pause 0.52) 759.7885 589 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 759.7885 uh, the rest of the dominant society it has. And 762.8386 590 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 762.8386 (pause 0.33) 763.1648 591 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 763.1648 I think in the Northeast, um, 765.2449 592 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 765.2449 (pause 0.93) 766.1715 593 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 766.1715 it's m- 766.8995 594 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 766.8995 (pause 0.10) 767.0043 595 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 767.0043 more prevalent in the Northeast than anywhere else. It goes all the way up to the state of Maine. 771.3678 596 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 771.3678 (pause 0.49) 771.8594 597 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 771.8594 It's- uh, it's a very, very big issue now, so. 774.5549 598 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 774.5549 (pause 0.48) 775.0371 599 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 775.0371 You find, uh, the policies now, 777.7980 600 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 777.7980 (pause 0.48) 778.2830 601 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 778.2830 uh, starting to be addressed 780.0258 602 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 780.0258 (pause 0.10) 780.1239 603 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 780.1239 and, um, 780.9965 604 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 780.9965 (pause 0.81) 781.8044 605 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 781.8044 uh, you starting to see maybe a little bit more compassion, uh, 785.1751 606 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 785.1751 (pause 0.59) 785.7613 607 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 785.7613 uh, 786.2435 608 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 786.2435 (pause 0.37) 786.6131 609 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 786.6131 around the, uh, criminal justice system incarcer- 789.3692 610 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 789.3692 (pause 0.34) 789.7048 611 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 789.7048 incarceration and everything 791.2554 612 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 791.2554 (pause 0.45) 791.7076 613 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 791.7076 taking, uh, 792.7760 614 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 792.7760 (pause 0.12) 792.8942 615 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 792.8942 uh, its turn. 793.9595 616 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 793.9595 (pause 0.49) 794.4504 617 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 794.4504 The neighborhood that I came up in, uh, /RD-NAME-2/ years ago, 798.1520 618 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 798.1520 (pause 0.58) 798.7343 619 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 798.7343 uh, I can 799.5758 620 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 799.5758 (pause 0.45) 800.0296 621 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 800.0296 just- 800.6395 622 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 800.6395 (pause 0.21) 800.8475 623 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 800.8475 uh, just in a cursory way take a picture, 804.0811 624 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 804.0811 (pause 0.30) 804.3789 625 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 804.3789 or a snapshot of all of my friends that have come up, 806.8191 626 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 806.8191 (pause 0.52) 807.3344 627 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 807.3344 and not too many of 'em live now, 809.1876 628 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 809.1876 (pause 0.28) 809.4712 629 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 809.4712 you know. 809.9345 630 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 809.9345 (pause 0.51) 810.4459 631 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 810.4459 Uh, some have been incarcerated, some have passed, 813.4573 632 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 813.4573 (pause 0.48) 813.9395 633 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 813.9395 uh, because of, uh, 815.4429 634 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 815.4429 (pause 0.57) 816.0102 635 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 816.0102 uh, the life that they lived and everything else. So, 818.6158 636 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 818.6158 (pause 0.45) 819.0697 637 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 819.0697 I know first hand the devastation, 821.2112 638 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 821.2112 (pause 0.48) 821.6934 639 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 821.6934 uh, of the neighborhoods and 823.6664 640 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 823.6664 (pause 0.08) 823.7420 641 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 823.7420 823.9965 642 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 823.9965 (pause 0.81) 824.8033 643 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 824.8033 what tends to happen, 825.9426 644 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 825.9426 (pause 0.44) 826.3870 645 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 826.3870 uh, 827.0311 646 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 827.0311 (pause 0.10) 827.1280 647 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 827.1280 uh, in the neighborhoods, 828.3772 648 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 828.3772 (pause 0.33) 828.7109 649 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 828.7109 uh, linguistics 830.4270 650 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 830.4270 (pause 0.30) 830.7248 651 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 830.7248 take over in the neighborhood 832.1565 652 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 832.1565 (pause 0.23) 832.3870 653 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 832.3870 and shape it also too. 833.8667 654 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 833.8667 (pause 0.36) 834.2260 655 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 834.2260 Shape it in the way of poverty, or shape it in the way of empowerment. 837.6448 656 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 837.6448 (pause 0.43) 838.0787 657 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 838.0787 And what- 838.6639 658 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 838.6639 (pause 0.15) 838.8113 659 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 838.8113 what- 839.0346 660 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 839.0346 (pause 0.21) 839.2407 661 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 839.2407 what, uh, basically tends to happen is that, 841.4342 662 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 841.4342 (pause 0.40) 841.8361 663 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 841.8361 when the educational system doesn't work, 844.7435 664 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 844.7435 (pause 0.71) 845.4582 665 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 845.4582 uh, for the population that it needs to work for, right, 848.9754 666 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 848.9754 (pause 0.41) 849.3867 667 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 849.3867 then, uh, the neighborhood, 851.2399 668 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 851.2399 (pause 0.34) 851.5811 669 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 851.5811 the infrastructure and everything sort of caves in on, 854.3136 670 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 854.3136 (pause 0.09) 854.4004 671 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 854.4004 uh, everyone. And so, 855.7223 672 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 855.7223 (pause 0.54) 856.2641 673 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 856.2641 Rochester has taken its toll, uh, 859.0013 674 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 859.0013 (pause 0.74) 859.7396 675 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 859.7396 you know, uh, from that time. 861.4368 676 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 861.4368 (pause 0.50) 861.9331 677 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 861.9331 Now I was a young man when, uh, the riots were here in sixty-four. 865.8758 678 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 865.8758 (pause 0.67) 866.5433 679 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 866.5433 Um, 867.1106 680 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 867.1106 (pause 0.98) 868.0891 681 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 868.0891 think I was around twelve years old, 869.9045 682 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 869.9045 (pause 0.45) 870.3583 683 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 870.3583 at the- 870.7082 684 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 870.7082 (pause 0.13) 870.8358 685 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 870.8358 at the time, and 872.1375 686 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 872.1375 (pause 0.12) 872.2533 687 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 872.2533 what- 872.5298 688 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 872.5298 (pause 0.43) 872.9640 689 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 872.9640 what, uh, 873.8008 690 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 873.8008 (pause 1.56) 875.3656 691 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 875.3656 what- 875.6208 692 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 875.6208 (pause 0.37) 875.9896 693 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 875.9896 what we were told when it was ha- happening, at least by our parents, 880.1147 694 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 880.1147 (pause 0.43) 880.5402 695 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 880.5402 was that there was a lot of frustration in the streets, 883.0344 696 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 883.0344 (pause 0.43) 883.4646 697 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 883.4646 uh, same climate as it is now, 885.6987 698 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 885.6987 (pause 0.36) 886.0560 699 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 886.0560 uh, possibly can't get a job, 887.6918 700 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 887.6918 (pause 0.61) 888.3016 701 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 888.3016 police brutality. 889.4646 702 ROC_int_01 889.8389 [Mm-hm.] 890.1297 703 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 889.9498 [Uh], the same issues today, were the same issues of yesterday. 892.8361 704 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 893.3277 So, uh, you know, 894.8405 705 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 894.8405 (pause 0.44) 895.2810 706 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 895.2810 there- 895.7680 707 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 895.7680 (pause 0.22) 895.9874 708 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 895.9874 there was that fifty, sixty year, 897.8642 709 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 897.8642 (pause 0.44) 898.3038 710 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 898.3038 um, 899.0082 711 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 899.0082 (pause 0.69) 899.7021 712 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 899.7021 uh, 900.5686 713 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 900.5686 (pause 1.02) 901.5855 714 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 901.5855 type of, uh, 902.6114 715 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 902.6114 (pause 0.96) 903.5691 716 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 903.5691 uh, spiraling down of, uh, the neighborhoods and stuff 907.0958 717 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 907.0958 (pause 0.33) 907.4228 718 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 907.4228 after the Civil Rights Act. So 909.1909 719 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 909.1909 (pause 0.56) 909.7535 720 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 909.7535 any time, um, 911.4648 721 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 911.4648 (pause 0.42) 911.8856 722 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 911.8856 you know, minorities or blacks, uh, 914.1122 723 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 914.1122 (pause 0.40) 914.5102 724 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 914.5102 have ever achieved something, 915.9946 725 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 915.9946 (pause 0.51) 916.5052 726 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 916.5052 uh, that was, uh, momentous and monumental, 919.2707 727 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 919.2707 (pause 0.47) 919.7396 728 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 919.7396 there's trouble after it. 920.8269 729 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 920.8269 (pause 0.46) 921.2855 730 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 921.2855 There was trouble after slavery, uh, 923.3277 731 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 923.3277 (pause 0.52) 923.8478 732 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 923.8478 uh, J- 924.2260 733 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 924.2260 (pause 0.17) 924.3961 734 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 924.3961 you know, Jim Crowism, um, 926.2777 735 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 926.2777 (pause 0.65) 926.9309 736 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 926.9309 uh, redlining neighborhoods and everything else. So anytime that 931.1951 737 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 931.1951 (pause 0.32) 931.5127 738 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 931.5127 a policy changed, 932.8269 739 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 932.8269 (pause 0.31) 933.1389 740 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 933.1389 or law changed in favor, 934.7557 741 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 934.7557 (pause 0.59) 935.3419 742 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 935.3419 uh, you know, of black populations, 937.6631 743 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 937.6631 (pause 0.31) 937.9760 744 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 937.9760 the neighborhoods or the environments that they live in, 940.5193 745 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 940.5193 (pause 0.27) 940.7935 746 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 940.7935 they were targeted for 942.1881 747 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 942.1881 (pause 0.33) 942.5143 748 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 942.5143 cruel treatment, 943.4977 749 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 943.4977 (pause 0.45) 943.9476 750 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 943.9476 um, 944.6851 751 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 944.6851 (pause 0.30) 944.9829 752 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 944.9829 uh, misappropriation of- um, 947.6114 753 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 947.6114 (pause 0.68) 948.2936 754 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 948.2936 948.3448 755 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 948.3448 (pause 0.08) 948.4292 756 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 948.4292 uh, 948.9965 757 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 948.9965 (pause 0.10) 949.1005 758 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 949.1005 of resources, 950.3750 759 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 950.3750 (pause 0.44) 950.8194 760 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 950.8194 um, 951.5663 761 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 951.5663 (pause 0.78) 952.3416 762 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 952.3416 uh, political, uh, isolation. 955.4295 763 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 955.4295 (pause 0.44) 955.8692 764 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 955.8692 I mean, we have the same things today. So, 957.9634 765 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 957.9634 (pause 0.74) 958.7018 766 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 958.7018 we've got a 959.8364 767 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 959.8364 (pause 0.18) 960.0207 768 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 960.0207 country where there's 961.1884 769 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 961.1884 (pause 0.45) 961.6375 770 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 961.6375 close to 962.2291 771 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 962.2291 (pause 0.08) 962.3118 772 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 962.3118 two hundred fifty million people, 963.8594 773 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 963.8594 (pause 0.41) 964.2688 774 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 964.2688 and we find two candidates that everybody hates 967.1195 775 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 967.1195 (pause 0.31) 967.4276 776 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 967.4276 to run for president of the United States, so. 969.5786 777 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 969.5786 (pause 0.61) 970.1837 778 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 970.1837 Uh, you know, it- it let you know, 972.0558 779 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 972.0558 (pause 0.56) 972.6136 780 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 972.6136 uh, you know, w- 973.7860 781 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 973.7860 (pause 0.14) 973.9240 782 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 973.9240 where- where we're at as a 975.7299 783 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 975.7299 (pause 0.33) 976.0608 784 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 976.0608 society and as a people. But, 978.0059 785 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 978.0059 (pause 0.57) 978.5805 786 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 978.5805 uh, black people have to do a little bit better for themselves, 982.2972 787 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 982.2972 (pause 0.48) 982.7746 788 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 982.7746 and one of the things that 984.7980 789 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 984.7980 (pause 0.87) 985.6706 790 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 985.6706 we have to come to terms with 987.1598 791 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 987.1598 (pause 0.46) 987.6231 792 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 987.6231 is that, 988.2093 793 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 988.2093 (pause 0.52) 988.7301 794 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 988.7301 uh, the dominant society is never going to, uh, 992.5357 795 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 992.5357 (pause 0.27) 992.8099 796 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 992.8099 liberate, or free us 994.3984 797 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 994.3984 (pause 0.42) 994.8200 798 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 994.8200 until we go back to o- 996.3280 799 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 996.3280 (pause 0.13) 996.4604 800 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 996.4604 you know, our basic 997.3822 801 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 997.3822 (pause 0.17) 997.5572 802 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 997.5572 axiology 998.6067 803 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 998.6067 (pause 0.48) 999.0841 804 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 999.0841 or our value system that is of value to us 1002.0274 805 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1002.0274 (pause 0.38) 1002.4103 806 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1002.4103 which is our relationships. 1003.9184 807 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1003.9184 (pause 0.15) 1004.0658 808 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1004.0658 Those are the biggest things that 1005.2713 809 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1005.2713 (pause 0.19) 1005.4651 810 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1005.4651 black folks have. 1006.5288 811 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1006.5288 (pause 0.39) 1006.9212 812 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1006.9212 The axiology of European people 1008.8594 813 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1008.8594 (pause 0.08) 1008.9349 814 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1008.9349 is, 1009.3653 815 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1009.3653 (pause 0.42) 1009.7829 816 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1009.7829 uh, an object and the acquisition of it, 1012.0715 817 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1012.0715 (pause 0.19) 1012.2593 818 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1012.2593 and 1012.6186 819 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1012.6186 (pause 0.27) 1012.8928 820 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1012.8928 that's- that's what they do. They go around 1014.8500 821 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1014.8500 (pause 0.29) 1015.1411 822 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1015.1411 and conquer and do things like that. 1016.8572 823 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1016.8572 (pause 0.36) 1017.2212 824 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1017.2212 And I'm not saying that's good, bad, or indifference, 1019.5594 825 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1019.5594 (pause 0.31) 1019.8667 826 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1019.8667 but I'm just saying is that, 1021.0769 827 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1021.0769 (pause 0.12) 1021.1931 828 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1021.1931 uh, for us, as a people, 1023.2307 829 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1023.2307 (pause 0.55) 1023.7838 830 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1023.7838 we have to put a black head on a black body. 1025.9924 831 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1025.9924 (pause 0.42) 1026.4131 832 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1026.4131 We can no longer put a white head on a black body and thinks that we're gonna get results. 1030.8758 833 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1030.8758 (pause 0.58) 1031.4582 834 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1031.4582 And, uh, not be impacted, uh, 1034.0914 835 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1034.0914 (pause 0.40) 1034.4932 836 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1034.4932 you know, adversely, uh, 1036.2140 837 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1036.2140 (pause 0.09) 1036.3019 838 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1036.3019 by, uh, 1037.1717 839 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1037.1717 (pause 0.22) 1037.3892 840 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1037.3892 a lot of decision making because, 1039.2471 841 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1039.2471 (pause 0.94) 1040.1887 842 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1040.1887 um, 1040.9404 843 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1040.9404 (pause 0.18) 1041.1247 844 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1041.1247 it doesn't fit 1042.1364 845 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1042.1364 (pause 0.68) 1042.8172 846 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1042.8172 the DNA of who and what we are. 1044.6893 847 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1044.6893 (pause 0.45) 1045.1364 848 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1045.1364 And if we go back and look at, 1047.3000 849 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1047.3000 (pause 0.10) 1047.4040 850 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1047.4040 um, 1047.9067 851 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1047.9067 (pause 0.88) 1048.7874 852 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1048.7874 just the basic ancestors is that, 1050.8277 853 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1050.8277 (pause 0.50) 1051.3289 854 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1051.3289 uh, 1051.9064 855 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1051.9064 (pause 0.15) 1052.0522 856 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1052.0522 we- 1052.3937 857 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1052.3937 (pause 0.10) 1052.4918 858 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1052.4918 we were clumped together by circumstances, right? 1055.3670 859 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1055.3670 (pause 0.47) 1055.8397 860 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1055.8397 So, s- 1056.4685 861 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1056.4685 (pause 0.66) 1057.1256 862 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1057.1256 uh, 1057.7071 863 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1057.7071 (pause 0.71) 1058.4142 864 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1058.4142 you know, so anguinity, uh, 1060.3194 865 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1060.3194 (pause 0.59) 1060.9056 866 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1060.9056 is- 1061.2310 867 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1061.2310 (pause 0.09) 1061.3232 868 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1061.3232 is- 1061.6518 869 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1061.6518 (pause 0.09) 1061.7369 870 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1061.7369 is a- is a thing that 1062.9306 871 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1062.9306 (pause 0.36) 1063.2938 872 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1063.2938 you're related by, 1064.5986 873 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1064.5986 (pause 0.61) 1065.2132 874 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1065.2132 um, 1066.0594 875 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1066.0594 (pause 0.56) 1066.6172 876 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1066.6172 circumstance and situation versus, uh, blood. 1069.6058 877 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1069.6058 (pause 0.77) 1070.3717 878 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1070.3717 And so, this is how we are as a people, so we always find ourselves 1074.2813 879 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1074.2813 (pause 0.49) 1074.7691 880 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1074.7691 with, 1075.1189 881 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1075.1189 (pause 0.33) 1075.4451 882 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1075.4451 uh, few options 1076.9165 883 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1076.9165 (pause 0.11) 1077.0276 884 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1077.0276 other than 1077.7285 885 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1077.7285 (pause 0.43) 1078.1539 886 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1078.1539 to stay 1079.0049 887 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1079.0049 (pause 0.41) 1079.4114 888 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1079.4114 in close proximity 1080.9487 889 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1080.9487 (pause 0.50) 1081.4529 890 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1081.4529 to each other. 1082.2015 891 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1082.2015 (pause 0.47) 1082.6695 892 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1082.6695 Uh, whether we're educated, or not educated, 1085.3169 893 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1085.3169 (pause 0.37) 1085.6865 894 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1085.6865 whether we have a economic situation, or we don't 1088.1920 895 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1088.1920 (pause 0.38) 1088.5702 896 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1088.5702 somehow, or another, uh, we're still there. And so, 1091.5344 897 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1091.5344 (pause 0.50) 1092.0363 898 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1092.0363 uh, 1092.7360 899 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1092.7360 (pause 0.19) 1092.9298 900 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1092.9298 we haven't ever been able in America to spread out 1095.6954 901 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1095.6954 (pause 0.11) 1095.8088 902 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1095.8088 like, uh, 1096.4801 903 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1096.4801 (pause 0.35) 1096.8300 904 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1096.8300 maybe other groups of people can do. 1098.4751 905 ROC_int_01 1099.0716 Mm. 1099.3884 906 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1099.8942 Didn't mean to go on so long [but], yeah. 1102.1783 907 ROC_int_01 1101.4306 [No], 1101.9000 908 ROC_int_01 1102.1879 it's- 1102.4768 909 ROC_int_01 1102.4768 (pause 0.14) 1102.6139 910 ROC_int_01 1102.6139 it's totally fine. 1103.6634 911 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1103.6634 Yeah. 1104.0038 912 ROC_int_01 1104.0085 Um, I just wanna follow up, um, on your 1106.4507 913 ROC_int_01 1106.4507 (pause 0.65) 1107.1030 914 ROC_int_01 1107.1030 point about the black head on a 1109.0649 915 ROC_int_01 1109.0649 (pause 0.22) 1109.2805 916 ROC_int_01 1109.2805 black body 1110.0558 917 ROC_int_01 1110.0558 (pause 0.40) 1110.4521 918 ROC_int_01 1110.4521 and whether, or n- what do you think that the, uh, 1112.7201 919 ROC_int_01 1112.7201 (pause 0.38) 1113.1030 920 ROC_int_01 1113.1030 presidency of Barack Obama 1115.2961 921 ROC_int_01 1115.2961 (pause 0.13) 1115.4211 922 ROC_int_01 1115.4211 has done 1116.1172 923 ROC_int_01 1116.1172 (pause 0.12) 1116.2401 924 ROC_int_01 1116.2401 to, um, 1117.1336 925 ROC_int_01 1117.1336 (pause 0.48) 1117.6173 926 ROC_int_01 1117.6173 1117.7388 927 ROC_int_01 1117.7388 (pause 1.04) 1118.7796 928 ROC_int_01 1118.7796 maybe improve the circumstances for, 1120.9921 929 ROC_int_01 1120.9921 (pause 0.20) 1121.1906 930 ROC_int_01 1121.1906 uh, black people in this country? 1122.7176 931 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1123.1459 Well, 1123.4862 932 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1123.4862 (pause 0.19) 1123.6801 933 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1123.6801 I th- 1123.9874 934 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1123.9874 (pause 0.15) 1124.1339 935 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1124.1339 I- I don't think 1125.0794 936 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1125.0794 (pause 0.10) 1125.1759 937 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1125.1759 that, 1125.6183 938 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1125.6183 (pause 0.27) 1125.8878 939 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1125.8878 uh, his presidency has improved anything for us, 1129.3478 940 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1129.3478 (pause 0.56) 1129.9056 941 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1129.9056 uh, other than, 1131.2599 942 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1131.2599 (pause 0.08) 1131.3375 943 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1131.3375 um- 1131.8589 944 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1131.8589 (pause 1.18) 1133.0371 945 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1133.0371 1133.0915 946 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1133.0915 (pause 0.47) 1133.5608 947 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1133.5608 Uh, there's- there's a message that the dominant society wants us to carry around that, uh, 1139.5722 948 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1139.5722 (pause 0.47) 1140.0458 949 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1140.0458 uh, you had a black president, and things have changed. Uh, 1143.1281 950 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1143.1281 (pause 0.38) 1143.5063 951 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1143.5063 which is, uh, 1144.5558 952 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1144.5558 (pause 0.48) 1145.0332 953 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1145.0332 uh, basically far from the truth. 1146.7974 954 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1146.7974 (pause 0.29) 1147.0905 955 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1147.0905 He- 1147.2891 956 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1147.2891 (pause 0.41) 1147.6956 957 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1147.6956 uh, Barack Obama hadn't been able to do 1150.3714 958 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1150.3714 (pause 0.22) 1150.5904 959 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1150.5904 a whole lot for our community. 1152.5319 960 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1152.5319 (pause 0.52) 1153.0547 961 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1153.0547 Uh, 1153.6306 962 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1153.6306 (pause 0.23) 1153.8611 963 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1153.8611 I think 1154.3175 964 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1154.3175 (pause 0.09) 1154.4102 965 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1154.4102 we'll see, uh, his real value 1156.6976 966 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1156.6976 (pause 0.29) 1156.9860 967 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1156.9860 and his worth after he's president. 1158.7210 968 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1158.7210 (pause 0.63) 1159.3505 969 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1159.3505 Uh, that's where, uh, 1161.2132 970 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1161.2132 (pause 0.86) 1162.0736 971 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1162.0736 we possibly have to hold him to the- 1163.8795 972 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1163.8795 (pause 0.45) 1164.3294 973 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1164.3294 to the fire, or, uh, 1166.2535 974 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1166.2535 (pause 0.52) 1166.7782 975 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1166.7782 uh, put our judgements. 1168.0795 976 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1168.0795 (pause 0.12) 1168.1953 977 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1168.1953 But, 1168.4801 978 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1168.4801 (pause 0.37) 1168.8517 979 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1168.8517 without a doubt, 1169.6742 980 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1169.6742 (pause 0.32) 1169.9957 981 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1169.9957 the President of the Unites States 1171.5038 982 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1171.5038 (pause 0.45) 1171.9509 983 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1171.9509 is more of a figurehead, 1173.6764 984 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1173.6764 (pause 0.11) 1173.7883 985 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1173.7883 uh, type of a situation, 1175.4824 986 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1175.4824 (pause 0.42) 1175.9039 987 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1175.9039 and we found that out quickly. 1177.7382 988 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1177.7382 (pause 0.42) 1178.1589 989 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1178.1589 Uh, we were deluded to think that, 1180.1965 990 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1180.1965 (pause 0.21) 1180.4092 991 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1180.4092 uh, this guy could do something 1182.2908 992 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1182.2908 (pause 0.37) 1182.6603 993 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1182.6603 just for, uh, black folks 1184.3197 994 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1184.3197 (pause 0.50) 1184.8161 995 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1184.8161 and, uh, not things for the country. And so 1187.8795 996 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1187.8795 (pause 0.56) 1188.4381 997 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1188.4381 the, uh, climate that you see today 1191.1139 998 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1191.1139 (pause 0.44) 1191.5535 999 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1191.5535 was based upon how 1193.0947 1000 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1193.0947 (pause 0.24) 1193.3386 1001 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1193.3386 the dominant society hated, 1195.1256 1002 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1195.1256 (pause 0.36) 1195.4896 1003 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1195.4896 uh, this guy 1196.7424 1004 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1196.7424 (pause 0.29) 1197.0316 1005 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1197.0316 that was in the office. 1198.2607 1006 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1198.2607 (pause 0.39) 1198.6484 1007 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1198.6484 And so, 1199.2866 1008 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1199.2866 (pause 0.45) 1199.7357 1009 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1199.7357 there was an uptick, 1200.9601 1010 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1200.9601 (pause 0.34) 1201.3005 1011 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1201.3005 a little bit more police brutality, 1203.3995 1012 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1203.3995 (pause 0.43) 1203.8258 1013 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1203.8258 uh, a little bit more, uh, racism, 1206.3455 1014 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1206.3455 (pause 0.56) 1206.9081 1015 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1206.9081 uh, 1207.4612 1016 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1207.4612 (pause 0.46) 1207.9245 1017 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1207.9245 individualize, but, uh, 1209.7210 1018 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1209.7210 (pause 0.62) 1210.3458 1019 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1210.3458 uh, the- the structured racism 1213.2343 1020 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1213.2343 (pause 0.18) 1213.4139 1021 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1213.4139 is still the same. It's not anything 1215.2671 1022 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1215.2671 (pause 0.36) 1215.6320 1023 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1215.6320 that's gonna be dismantled. 1217.0408 1024 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1217.0408 (pause 0.37) 1217.4142 1025 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1217.4142 Uh, white privilege was 1219.1067 1026 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1219.1067 (pause 0.24) 1219.3430 1027 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1219.3430 basically, 1220.2507 1028 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1220.2507 (pause 0.52) 1220.7755 1029 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1220.7755 um, 1221.6548 1030 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1221.6548 (pause 1.05) 1222.7014 1031 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1222.7014 somewhat danced around in folk's face 1225.0920 1032 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1225.0920 (pause 0.30) 1225.3950 1033 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1225.3950 while he was the president. 1226.4918 1034 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1226.4918 (pause 0.10) 1226.5925 1035 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1226.5925 So he was the president for eight years. 1228.3430 1036 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1228.3430 (pause 0.40) 1228.7401 1037 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1228.7401 Uh, not a l- 1229.6715 1038 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1229.6715 (pause 0.14) 1229.8141 1039 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1229.8141 not a l- lot happened 1231.4309 1040 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1231.4309 (pause 0.28) 1231.7098 1041 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1231.7098 socially, 1232.6175 1042 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1232.6175 (pause 0.37) 1232.9910 1043 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1232.9910 uh, 1233.6717 1044 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1233.6717 (pause 0.14) 1233.8136 1045 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1233.8136 uh, for the country. 1235.2554 1046 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1235.2554 (pause 0.62) 1235.8708 1047 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1235.8708 Uh, 1236.8778 1048 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1236.8778 (pause 0.60) 1237.4813 1049 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1237.4813 healthcare a- improved, 1239.5394 1050 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1239.5394 (pause 0.45) 1239.9932 1051 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1239.9932 uh, 1240.5274 1052 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1240.5274 (pause 0.14) 1240.6720 1053 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1240.6720 most certainly he took us out of, uh, 1242.7805 1054 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1242.7805 (pause 0.37) 1243.1539 1055 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1243.1539 the recession, 1244.0569 1056 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1244.0569 (pause 0.41) 1244.4662 1057 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1244.4662 uh, all of the things that 1246.0736 1058 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1246.0736 (pause 1.29) 1247.3642 1059 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1247.3642 in my opinion should make someone take a look and say, 1249.9462 1060 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1249.9462 (pause 0.33) 1250.2771 1061 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1250.2771 this a pretty good legacy, you know. 1252.1965 1062 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1252.1965 (pause 0.59) 1252.7874 1063 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1252.7874 Um, 1253.3878 1064 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1253.3878 (pause 0.74) 1254.1261 1065 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1254.1261 but what's gonna happen in terms of us as a people, we're gonna have to realize 1258.7591 1066 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1258.7591 (pause 0.61) 1259.3642 1067 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1259.3642 that 1259.7802 1068 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1259.7802 (pause 0.25) 1260.0316 1069 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1260.0316 collectively, 1261.1378 1070 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1261.1378 (pause 0.15) 1261.2891 1071 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1261.2891 uh, as a group, 1262.3764 1072 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1262.3764 (pause 0.43) 1262.8019 1073 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1262.8019 we have to make strides, and that 1264.8111 1074 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1264.8111 (pause 0.39) 1265.2015 1075 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1265.2015 we cannot depend on the federal government because 1268.6384 1076 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1268.6384 (pause 0.36) 1269.0032 1077 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1269.0032 the federal government only comes 1270.8402 1078 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1270.8402 (pause 0.31) 1271.1495 1079 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1271.1495 to our aid 1271.9673 1080 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1271.9673 (pause 0.50) 1272.4637 1081 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1272.4637 when there's a crisis. 1273.6834 1082 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1273.6834 (pause 0.65) 1274.3339 1083 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1274.3339 And, uh, you literally have to tear up something in this country 1278.0449 1084 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1278.0449 (pause 0.42) 1278.4665 1085 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1278.4665 in order to get people to see, 1280.3764 1086 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1280.3764 (pause 0.45) 1280.8302 1087 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1280.8302 uh, that it's a crisis. 1282.1398 1088 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1282.1398 (pause 0.49) 1282.6342 1089 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1282.6342 White folks have this dissonance about them 1285.0389 1090 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1285.0389 (pause 0.10) 1285.1417 1091 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1285.1417 that, 1285.6361 1092 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1285.6361 (pause 0.52) 1286.1576 1093 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1286.1576 uh, they wanna sleep good at night 1288.3133 1094 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1288.3133 (pause 0.12) 1288.4323 1095 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1288.4323 and don't feel any guilt or anything else like that. So, 1291.4484 1096 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1291.4484 (pause 0.57) 1292.0205 1097 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1292.0205 uh, they'll deny, 1293.5569 1098 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1293.5569 (pause 0.42) 1293.9757 1099 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1293.9757 uh, the history 1295.5074 1100 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1295.5074 (pause 0.37) 1295.8809 1101 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1295.8809 that it was brutal for blacks, 1297.4835 1102 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1297.4835 (pause 0.44) 1297.9240 1103 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1297.9240 that, uh, they gained a lot of wealth, 1300.2546 1104 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1300.2546 (pause 0.37) 1300.6281 1105 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1300.6281 uh, uh, basically up off of blacks. 1303.4787 1106 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1303.4787 (pause 0.42) 1303.8956 1107 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1303.8956 They even taking, um, 1305.2447 1108 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1305.2447 (pause 1.07) 1306.3177 1109 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1306.3177 1306.3753 1110 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1306.3753 (pause 0.14) 1306.5146 1111 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1306.5146 uh, books today and maybe you could 1308.0651 1112 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1308.0651 (pause 0.07) 1308.1370 1113 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1308.1370 be able to do something about that. 1309.6868 1114 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1309.6868 (pause 0.39) 1310.0786 1115 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1310.0786 But the Texas repositories where 1312.1114 1116 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1312.1114 (pause 0.35) 1312.4565 1117 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1312.4565 they have all the classroom books and stuff like that, 1314.8419 1118 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1314.8419 (pause 0.35) 1315.1918 1119 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1315.1918 uh, I read where 1316.6573 1120 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1316.6573 (pause 0.31) 1316.9701 1121 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1316.9701 they're saying that, uh, 1318.4404 1122 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1318.4404 (pause 0.37) 1318.8138 1123 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1318.8138 they're changing the language that there was slavery, chattel slavery to 1322.1609 1124 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1322.1609 (pause 0.21) 1322.3736 1125 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1322.3736 forced immigration. 1323.3900 1126 ROC_int_01 1323.5138 Mm-hm. 1323.9609 1127 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1323.9487 And so when you- when you have language like this here that denies what has happened, 1327.9907 1128 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1328.4020 uh, to a people, 1329.8778 1129 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1329.8778 (pause 0.51) 1330.3884 1130 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1330.3884 and, uh, expect that that- 1332.0241 1131 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1332.0241 (pause 0.25) 1332.2734 1132 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1332.2734 to be alright just so you can breathe 1334.3122 1133 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1334.3122 (pause 0.34) 1334.6506 1134 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1334.6506 and feel comfortable about yourself, then 1336.6267 1135 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1336.6267 (pause 0.62) 1337.2507 1136 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1337.2507 it means that we haven't really made the strives that was- 1339.8387 1137 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1339.8387 (pause 0.10) 1339.9403 1138 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1339.9403 wa- was- 1340.5182 1139 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1340.5182 (pause 0.09) 1340.6128 1140 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1340.6128 we supposed to have maken. 1341.7568 1141 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1341.7568 (pause 0.39) 1342.1492 1142 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1342.1492 But getting back to the president, um, 1344.1678 1143 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1344.1678 (pause 0.61) 1344.7738 1144 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1344.7738 was he a good president for the United States? I think so, but 1347.7379 1145 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1347.7379 (pause 0.36) 1348.0972 1146 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1348.0972 blacks really didn't get anything out of, uh, that, uh, 1351.2938 1147 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1351.2938 (pause 0.58) 1351.8753 1148 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1351.8753 uh, but we hope that the way it's paved, uh, for later that, 1355.6336 1149 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1355.6336 (pause 0.88) 1356.5185 1150 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1356.5185 you know, 1357.0271 1151 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1357.0271 (pause 0.10) 1357.1264 1152 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1357.1264 uh, 1357.5822 1153 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1357.5822 (pause 0.26) 1357.8408 1154 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1357.8408 they take the skills of leadership 1359.5852 1155 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1359.5852 (pause 0.38) 1359.9634 1156 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1359.9634 for what they originally was, 1361.5243 1157 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1361.5243 (pause 0.23) 1361.7513 1158 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1361.7513 which was a community organizer, 1363.6233 1159 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1363.6233 (pause 0.32) 1363.9401 1160 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1363.9401 and organize people around issues, 1365.9209 1161 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1365.9209 (pause 0.30) 1366.2196 1162 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1366.2196 you understand, so 1367.1982 1163 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1367.1982 (pause 0.33) 1367.5243 1164 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1367.5243 we can finally have our say and reach our destiny. 1369.8172 1165 ROC_int_01 1370.0299 Mm. 1370.3710 1166 ROC_int_01 1370.3710 (pause 0.66) 1371.0302 1167 ROC_int_01 1371.0302 Okay, um, 1372.1033 1168 ROC_int_01 1372.1033 (pause 0.17) 1372.2782 1169 ROC_int_01 1372.2782 and moving I guess from bigger to smaller, what about on a local level in terms of 1376.5310 1170 ROC_int_01 1376.5310 (pause 0.31) 1376.8430 1171 ROC_int_01 1376.8430 we've had leadership from people like Mayor Bill Johnson, and now we have Mayor Lovely Warren. 1381.4456 1172 ROC_int_01 1381.4456 (pause 0.35) 1381.7983 1173 ROC_int_01 1381.7983 Do you think that, um, 1383.3158 1174 ROC_int_01 1383.3158 (pause 0.81) 1384.1270 1175 ROC_int_01 1384.1270 I guess some of the work that they're doing, 1385.9068 1176 ROC_int_01 1385.9068 (pause 0.12) 1386.0306 1177 ROC_int_01 1386.0306 or, 1386.4387 1178 ROC_int_01 1386.4387 (pause 0.21) 1386.6481 1179 ROC_int_01 1386.6481 Mayor Lovely Warren (laughing), some of the work that she's doing is also improving on the 1390.7307 1180 ROC_int_01 1390.7307 (pause 0.26) 1390.9860 1181 ROC_int_01 1390.9860 circumstances, or? 1392.3786 1182 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1392.5949 Well, w- w- once again, uh, 1394.7660 1183 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1394.7660 (pause 0.37) 1395.1328 1184 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1395.1328 1395.7001 1185 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1395.7001 (pause 1.94) 1397.6392 1186 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1397.6392 as blacks we've always had to put- 1399.3269 1187 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1399.3269 (pause 0.95) 1400.2724 1188 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1400.2724 uh, we put most of our eggs in, uh, politics. 1402.9860 1189 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1402.9860 (pause 0.88) 1403.8633 1190 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1403.8633 And 1404.3436 1191 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1404.3436 (pause 0.13) 1404.4712 1192 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1404.4712 this is what tends to happen 1406.2109 1193 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1406.2109 (pause 0.09) 1406.2960 1194 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1406.2960 is that 1406.8775 1195 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1406.8775 (pause 0.48) 1407.3564 1196 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1407.3564 Lincoln frees the slaves, so we- we- we vote 1409.6965 1197 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1409.6965 (pause 0.45) 1410.1455 1198 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1410.1455 Republican for a hundred years. 1411.8191 1199 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1411.8191 (pause 0.54) 1412.3542 1200 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1412.3542 Uh, the Voting Rights Act happen, so we vote Democrat for the 1415.6923 1201 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1415.6923 (pause 0.12) 1415.8105 1202 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1415.8105 past fifty, sixty years. 1417.2944 1203 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1417.2944 (pause 0.61) 1417.9028 1204 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1417.9028 Uh, most of the urban, uh, communities 1420.4510 1205 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1420.4510 (pause 0.30) 1420.7535 1206 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1420.7535 are democratically r- 1421.8077 1207 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1421.8077 (pause 0.23) 1422.0355 1208 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1422.0355 uh, run. 1422.7021 1209 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1422.7021 (pause 0.61) 1423.3119 1210 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1423.3119 And so, um, 1424.6214 1211 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1424.6214 (pause 0.64) 1425.2575 1212 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1425.2575 1425.3151 1213 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1425.3151 (pause 0.17) 1425.4818 1214 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1425.4818 for Lovely to, uh, come in and become mayor, 1428.2313 1215 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1428.2313 (pause 0.42) 1428.6520 1216 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1428.6520 uh, she took the track of going in 1431.1698 1217 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1431.1698 (pause 0.13) 1431.2974 1218 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1431.2974 and being on City Council first 1433.0513 1219 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1433.0513 (pause 0.47) 1433.5202 1220 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1433.5202 and becoming President of City Council. 1435.7610 1221 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1435.7610 (pause 0.35) 1436.1109 1222 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1436.1109 So, a lot of the, um, 1438.1248 1223 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1438.1248 (pause 0.68) 1438.8036 1224 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1438.8036 projects that, 1439.8862 1225 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1439.8862 (pause 0.12) 1440.0091 1226 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1440.0091 uh, the dominant society in Rochester wanted to put forth, 1443.4109 1227 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1443.4109 (pause 0.57) 1443.9829 1228 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1443.9829 uh, in terms of how the 1445.0608 1229 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1445.0608 (pause 0.12) 1445.1798 1230 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1445.1798 downtown was gonna be designed, 1446.8675 1231 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1446.8675 (pause 0.32) 1447.1890 1232 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1447.1890 how, uh, new housing was gonna come in for, 1449.6709 1233 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1449.6709 (pause 0.38) 1450.0538 1234 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1450.0538 uh, folks so, 1451.2073 1235 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1451.2073 (pause 0.32) 1451.5249 1236 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1451.5249 uh, we- we can get more people to come back into the city, 1454.9571 1237 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1454.9571 (pause 0.35) 1455.3022 1238 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1455.3022 and become residents increase the tax base and stuff like that. 1458.5575 1239 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1458.5575 (pause 0.28) 1458.8364 1240 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1458.8364 A lot of that was done on her watch 1460.5761 1241 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1460.5761 (pause 0.35) 1460.9268 1242 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1460.9268 when she was, uh, 1462.1232 1243 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1462.1232 (pause 0.09) 1462.2166 1244 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1462.2166 President of City Council. 1463.6214 1245 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1463.6214 (pause 0.49) 1464.1145 1246 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1464.1145 Uh, city council's the one that has to make the, uh, policies, 1467.3433 1247 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1467.3433 (pause 0.36) 1467.7082 1248 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1467.7082 approve, uh, land acquisitions, all the tax things like that. 1471.2727 1249 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1471.2727 (pause 0.57) 1471.8400 1250 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1471.8400 And so, uh, people was really shocked when she says she wants to run for mayor. 1475.8564 1251 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1475.8564 (pause 0.91) 1476.7696 1252 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1476.7696 Uh, they were told 1477.9184 1253 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1477.9184 (pause 0.25) 1478.1690 1254 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1478.1690 it's not your time. 1479.1712 1255 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1479.1712 (pause 0.77) 1479.9418 1256 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1479.9418 And, uh, 1480.9535 1257 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1480.9535 (pause 0.16) 1481.1142 1258 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1481.1142 you know, 1481.7051 1259 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1481.7051 (pause 0.10) 1481.8044 1260 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1481.8044 I think most blacks applaud her 1483.8447 1261 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1483.8447 (pause 0.38) 1484.2276 1262 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1484.2276 for taking the initiative to say, 1486.1092 1263 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1486.1092 (pause 0.25) 1486.3558 1264 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1486.3558 well, it is my time. 1487.4763 1265 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1487.4763 (pause 0.51) 1487.9821 1266 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1487.9821 So I think, uh, 1489.6036 1267 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1489.6036 (pause 0.34) 1489.9440 1268 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1489.9440 the, um, 1491.2393 1269 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1491.2393 (pause 0.45) 1491.6860 1270 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1491.6860 1491.7467 1271 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1491.7467 (pause 0.07) 1491.8216 1272 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1491.8216 community of Rochester, especially black folks, 1493.9975 1273 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1493.9975 (pause 0.10) 1494.0967 1274 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1494.0967 are still excited about m- 1495.4370 1275 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1495.4370 (pause 0.14) 1495.5753 1276 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1495.5753 Mayor Lovely Warren. 1496.5680 1277 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1496.5680 (pause 0.53) 1497.0956 1278 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1497.0956 Even though we haven't seen all 1499.2276 1279 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1499.2276 (pause 0.47) 1499.6957 1280 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1499.6957 that 1500.1416 1281 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1500.1416 (pause 0.08) 1500.2197 1282 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1500.2197 is supposed to happen in terms 1502.4309 1283 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1502.4309 (pause 0.34) 1502.7694 1284 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1502.7694 of the neighborhoods that we're left in crumbling. 1505.1804 1285 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1505.1804 (pause 0.77) 1505.9462 1286 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1505.9462 Um, 1506.4757 1287 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1506.4757 (pause 0.19) 1506.6609 1288 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1506.6609 so, she gets a pass. 1508.1690 1289 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1508.1690 (pause 0.48) 1508.6512 1290 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1508.6512 Uh, hopefully she can get reelected 1510.9298 1291 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1510.9298 (pause 0.53) 1511.4640 1292 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1511.4640 and more, uh, African Americans can come out with ideas for development and stuff 1516.7360 1293 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1516.7360 (pause 0.35) 1517.0811 1294 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1517.0811 and possibly get it passed through 1518.8586 1295 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1518.8586 (pause 0.40) 1519.2566 1296 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1519.2566 up under her- um, 1520.7363 1297 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1520.7363 (pause 0.61) 1521.3414 1298 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1521.3414 up u- 1521.6770 1299 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1521.6770 (pause 0.12) 1521.8011 1300 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1521.8011 up under her leadership and her being the m- 1523.8139 1301 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1523.8139 (pause 0.55) 1524.3622 1302 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1524.3622 her being the mayor. 1525.4165 1303 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1525.4165 (pause 0.54) 1525.9610 1304 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1525.9610 Um, 1526.5424 1305 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1526.5424 (pause 0.28) 1526.8214 1306 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1526.8214 you know, Bill Johnson, he sort of paved a way for her. 1529.5397 1307 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1529.5397 (pause 0.54) 1530.0833 1308 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1530.0833 And, um, 1531.0666 1309 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1531.0666 (pause 0.13) 1531.1951 1310 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1531.1951 I heard that, uh, 1532.4148 1311 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1532.4148 (pause 0.65) 1533.0625 1312 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1533.0625 uh, 1533.8992 1313 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1533.8992 (pause 0.18) 1534.0836 1314 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1534.0836 folks such as himself and a lot of other folks, uh, 1536.8397 1315 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1536.8397 (pause 0.45) 1537.2849 1316 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1537.2849 she- she has a tendency, uh, to listen to. 1539.9465 1317 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1539.9465 (pause 0.57) 1540.5138 1318 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1540.5138 Uh, but once again, 1542.0877 1319 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1542.0877 (pause 0.08) 1542.1645 1320 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1542.1645 uh, 1542.7404 1321 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1542.7404 (pause 0.50) 1543.2382 1322 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1543.2382 she has the- 1544.5146 1323 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1544.5146 (pause 0.28) 1544.7897 1324 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1544.7897 the- 1545.3806 1325 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1545.3806 (pause 0.10) 1545.4799 1326 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1545.4799 the Barack Obama, 1546.7705 1327 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1546.7705 (pause 0.37) 1547.1439 1328 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1547.1439 uh, f- 1547.8625 1329 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1547.8625 (pause 0.53) 1548.3920 1330 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1548.3920 /phenom in-/ right here in Rochester, to whereas that 1551.3400 1331 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1551.3400 (pause 0.42) 1551.7607 1332 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1551.7607 if there's appearance 1553.0844 1333 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1553.0844 (pause 0.43) 1553.5107 1334 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1553.5107 that you're trying to do everything, uh, 1555.8556 1335 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1555.8556 (pause 0.54) 1556.3992 1336 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1556.3992 to help, uh, blacks, 1558.2619 1337 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1558.2619 (pause 0.36) 1558.6192 1338 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1558.6192 and it doesn't perceive that, uh, 1560.5669 1339 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1560.5669 (pause 0.47) 1561.0349 1340 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1561.0349 white folks, especially business leaders, can get any, 1563.8581 1341 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1563.8581 (pause 0.45) 1564.3072 1342 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1564.3072 um, 1564.8272 1343 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1564.8272 (pause 0.52) 1565.3483 1344 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1565.3483 1565.4450 1345 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1565.4450 (pause 0.11) 1565.5552 1346 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1565.5552 uh, uh, justice in terms of, uh, the grab back that they're supposed to get, 1570.6476 1347 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1570.6476 (pause 0.53) 1571.1770 1348 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1571.1770 well, she's got a tough 1572.5385 1349 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1572.5385 (pause 0.23) 1572.7732 1350 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1572.7732 balancing act to do that, and 1574.8597 1351 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1574.8597 (pause 0.36) 1575.2151 1352 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1575.2151 you possibly can see that in, um, 1577.3945 1353 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1577.3945 (pause 1.46) 1578.8506 1354 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1578.8506 the, uh, 1579.8812 1355 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1579.8812 (pause 0.27) 1580.1515 1356 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1580.1515 th- uh, the billion dollar effort to, uh, renovate the schools and stuff like that and the boards 1585.0775 1357 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1585.0775 (pause 0.32) 1585.3989 1358 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1585.3989 of where the money's supposed to go and, 1587.3711 1359 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1587.3711 (pause 0.09) 1587.4578 1360 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1587.4578 uh, what have you. 1588.5719 1361 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1588.5719 (pause 0.32) 1588.8920 1362 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1588.8920 It was supposed to increase jobs for African Americans. That didn't happen up under her watch. 1593.3414 1363 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1593.3414 (pause 0.47) 1593.8094 1364 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1593.8094 There's a lot of criticism about that, but 1595.8422 1365 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1595.8422 (pause 0.64) 1596.4785 1366 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1596.4785 I believe that black people have to understand 1599.0550 1367 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1599.0550 (pause 0.43) 1599.4879 1368 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1599.4879 that when blacks get into office, 1601.5728 1369 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1601.5728 (pause 0.36) 1601.9368 1370 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1601.9368 it doesn't mean that we're gonna make it, because politics doesn't make it for us. 1605.8019 1371 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1605.8019 (pause 0.47) 1606.2755 1372 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1606.2755 Politics 1606.9657 1373 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1606.9657 (pause 0.17) 1607.1406 1374 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1607.1406 d- 1607.3628 1375 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1607.3628 (pause 0.17) 1607.5330 1376 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1607.5330 does start 1608.4785 1377 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1608.4785 (pause 0.23) 1608.7054 1378 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1608.7054 the effort, 1609.4476 1379 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1609.4476 (pause 0.43) 1609.8825 1380 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1609.8825 uh, for power 1610.9368 1381 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1610.9368 (pause 0.75) 1611.6893 1382 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1611.6893 to where you can get inside information, 1613.9585 1383 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1613.9585 (pause 0.44) 1614.3981 1384 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1614.3981 or you can develop things, possibly open up some businesses, 1617.5041 1385 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1617.5041 (pause 0.23) 1617.7365 1386 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1617.7365 have an insight on, 1619.2919 1387 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1619.2919 (pause 0.36) 1619.6512 1388 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1619.6512 uh, some of the things that you possibly need in order to- 1622.7902 1389 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1622.7902 (pause 0.17) 1622.9557 1390 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1622.9557 to make these things happen. 1624.2037 1391 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1624.2037 (pause 0.44) 1624.6442 1392 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1624.6442 But it doesn't mean that there's a 1626.4170 1393 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1626.4170 (pause 0.35) 1626.7621 1394 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1626.7621 symbolic 1627.4523 1395 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1627.4523 (pause 0.36) 1627.8164 1396 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1627.8164 cupboard 1628.3127 1397 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1628.3127 (pause 0.58) 1628.8895 1398 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1628.8895 that you can open up 1629.9768 1399 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1629.9768 (pause 0.32) 1630.2991 1400 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1630.2991 and then that- 1630.9468 1401 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1630.9468 (pause 0.25) 1631.1973 1402 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1631.1973 that there's a grab back for everyone and so 1633.3672 1403 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1633.3672 (pause 0.39) 1633.7596 1404 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1633.7596 that's what I think that the African American, uh, community, the black community has to guard itself against that. 1639.0363 1405 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1639.0363 (pause 0.47) 1639.5043 1406 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1639.5043 Uh, someone is gonna be a savior for us. 1642.0241 1407 ROC_int_01 1643.4763 Um, 1644.1665 1408 ROC_int_01 1644.1665 (pause 0.23) 1644.3981 1409 ROC_int_01 1644.3981 we talked a little bit about like, racism in this country, but, uh, I wanted to ask more specifically in Rochester, 1650.7310 1410 ROC_int_01 1650.7310 (pause 0.40) 1651.1337 1411 ROC_int_01 1651.1337 uh, 1651.6631 1412 ROC_int_01 1651.6631 (pause 0.38) 1652.0461 1413 ROC_int_01 1652.0461 the ways in which you think- 1653.2752 1414 ROC_int_01 1653.2752 (pause 0.20) 1653.4738 1415 ROC_int_01 1653.4738 or well, first of all, if you think, uh, African Americans have to deal with a lot of racism or discrimination, 1659.0313 1416 ROC_int_01 1659.0313 (pause 0.19) 1659.2251 1417 ROC_int_01 1659.2251 or had to, at some point, 1660.7691 1418 ROC_int_01 1660.7691 (pause 0.14) 1660.9109 1419 ROC_int_01 1660.9109 you know, uh, maybe in the fifties, sixties, seventies. 1663.7029 1420 ROC_int_01 1663.7029 (pause 0.43) 1664.1378 1421 ROC_int_01 1664.1378 Um, and in which ways do 1666.3266 1422 ROC_int_01 1666.3266 (pause 0.22) 1666.5497 1423 ROC_int_01 1666.5497 those- 1666.9279 1424 ROC_int_01 1666.9279 (pause 0.41) 1667.3344 1425 ROC_int_01 1667.3344 does it manifest? 1668.4312 1426 ROC_int_01 1668.4312 (pause 0.37) 1668.8047 1427 ROC_int_01 1668.8047 Um, so like, people will say okay, uh, 1671.5041 1428 ROC_int_01 1671.5041 (pause 0.22) 1671.7196 1429 ROC_int_01 1671.7196 for example, police brutality, right. That's an example of 1675.0477 1430 ROC_int_01 1675.0477 (pause 0.38) 1675.4240 1431 ROC_int_01 1675.4240 a ways in which we can see this racist system operating. 1678.6745 1432 ROC_int_01 1678.6745 (pause 0.40) 1679.0764 1433 ROC_int_01 1679.0764 Um, 1679.5066 1434 ROC_int_01 1679.5066 (pause 0.28) 1679.7855 1435 ROC_int_01 1679.7855 yeah. 1680.1306 1436 ROC_int_01 1680.1306 (pause 0.42) 1680.5494 1437 ROC_int_01 1680.5494 I don't know, does that question make sense? 1682.0196 1438 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1682.0716 Well, 1682.4120 1439 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1682.4120 (pause 0.19) 1682.6011 1440 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1682.6011 le- le- let me go back, once again, uh, 1685.2108 1441 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1685.2108 (pause 0.64) 1685.8469 1442 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1685.8469 I've been here for sixty-three years with my family, uh, I'm a fourth generation 1690.0647 1443 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1690.0647 (pause 0.11) 1690.1734 1444 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1690.1734 person 1690.6273 1445 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1690.6273 (pause 0.28) 1690.9109 1446 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1690.9109 here in the city of Rochester, so. 1692.5041 1447 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1692.5041 (pause 0.51) 1693.0155 1448 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1693.0155 Uh, I've gotten, uh, 1694.9868 1449 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1694.9868 (pause 0.27) 1695.2563 1450 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1695.2563 first hand accounts from, uh, 1697.1993 1451 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1697.1993 (pause 0.53) 1697.7288 1452 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1697.7288 uh, my parents and grandparents, uh, how the city of Rochester 1701.2563 1453 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1701.2563 (pause 0.24) 1701.4974 1454 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1701.4974 has been, 1702.1167 1455 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1702.1167 (pause 0.11) 1702.2301 1456 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1702.2301 uh, maybe since the twenties. 1704.0880 1457 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1704.0880 (pause 0.45) 1704.5352 1458 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1704.5352 But, uh, let me- let me say this here is that, 1707.2441 1459 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1707.2441 (pause 0.45) 1707.6932 1460 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1707.6932 uh, 1708.2585 1461 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1708.2585 (pause 0.92) 1709.1784 1462 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1709.1784 I'm gonna speak about the- uh, uh, the micro here but the macro is- is that, 1714.1990 1463 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1714.1990 (pause 0.72) 1714.9184 1464 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1714.9184 uh, after World War Two, uh, they passed the GI Bill. 1718.4877 1465 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1718.4877 (pause 0.58) 1719.0719 1466 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1719.0719 Uh, the GI Bill, uh, helped, uh, folks that went over to fight in the wars. 1723.7833 1467 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1723.7833 (pause 0.46) 1724.2466 1468 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1724.2466 Uh, when you came back, uh, you were able to get a loan for 1727.5566 1469 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1727.5566 (pause 0.22) 1727.7741 1470 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1727.7741 housing, 1728.4879 1471 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1728.4879 (pause 0.38) 1728.8709 1472 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1728.8709 possibly, GI Bill to go to school and everything else like that. 1732.3077 1473 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1732.3077 (pause 0.38) 1732.6915 1474 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1732.6915 Well, 1733.0366 1475 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1733.0366 (pause 0.21) 1733.2446 1476 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1733.2446 African Americans, uh, had it a little different. 1735.7880 1477 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1735.7880 (pause 0.48) 1736.2655 1478 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1736.2655 Uh, they can only buy housing in certain neighborhoods. 1739.1312 1479 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1739.1312 (pause 0.44) 1739.5708 1480 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1739.5708 Uh, that housing was redline. 1741.7880 1481 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1741.7880 (pause 0.51) 1742.2938 1482 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1742.2938 Uh, that housing also was, uh, 1744.8873 1483 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1744.8873 (pause 0.27) 1745.1615 1484 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1745.1615 crumbling down in neighborhoods. 1746.7742 1485 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1746.7742 (pause 0.39) 1747.1667 1486 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1747.1667 Uh, they couldn't basically use the bill to get into a lot of colleges 1750.9535 1487 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1750.9535 (pause 0.26) 1751.2153 1488 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1751.2153 because the admission wouldn't let them get in or anything else. 1753.9128 1489 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1753.9128 (pause 0.38) 1754.2910 1490 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1754.2910 And so what you 1755.1892 1491 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1755.1892 (pause 0.52) 1755.7101 1492 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1755.7101 tend to, uh, have 1757.4072 1493 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1757.4072 (pause 0.37) 1757.7807 1494 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1757.7807 is that 1758.3338 1495 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1758.3338 (pause 0.43) 1758.7593 1496 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1758.7593 your start 1759.6291 1497 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1759.6291 (pause 0.58) 1760.2106 1498 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1760.2106 for you and your family is not one to where 1762.8021 1499 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1762.8021 (pause 0.39) 1763.1898 1500 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1763.1898 in the next generation you could leave 'em a house, 1765.5677 1501 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1765.5677 (pause 0.34) 1765.9081 1502 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1765.9081 leave 'em some money, 1766.9852 1503 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1766.9852 (pause 0.08) 1767.0608 1504 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1767.0608 uh, 1767.6376 1505 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1767.6376 (pause 0.09) 1767.7250 1506 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1767.7250 you know, uh, basically to do s- 1769.6519 1507 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1769.6519 (pause 0.08) 1769.7343 1508 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1769.7343 those things. So 1770.4802 1509 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1770.4802 (pause 0.39) 1770.8694 1510 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1770.8694 that's the structural racism right there. 1773.0630 1511 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1773.0630 (pause 0.41) 1773.4742 1512 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1773.4742 Uh, that's the racism that is, uh, 1775.4078 1513 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1775.4078 (pause 0.07) 1775.4827 1514 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1775.4827 in, um, 1776.3454 1515 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1776.3454 (pause 0.43) 1776.7768 1516 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1776.7768 uh, the structures, whether it's, uh, 1778.6725 1517 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1778.6725 (pause 0.40) 1779.0752 1518 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1779.0752 uh, 1779.6850 1519 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1779.6850 (pause 0.52) 1780.2003 1520 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1780.2003 uh, redlining for, uh, insurance, 1783.2217 1521 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1783.2217 (pause 0.41) 1783.6325 1522 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1783.6325 um, 1784.3416 1523 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1784.3416 (pause 0.32) 1784.6639 1524 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1784.6639 making sure that, uh, a neighborhood is blackballed to where 1788.4459 1525 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1788.4459 (pause 0.35) 1788.7910 1526 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1788.7910 you can't get out of it or move, 1790.5071 1527 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1790.5071 (pause 0.35) 1790.8577 1528 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1790.8577 uh, 1791.5152 1529 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1791.5152 (pause 0.09) 1791.6094 1530 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1791.6094 uh, anywhere else and you're somewhat landlocked 1793.8656 1531 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1793.8656 (pause 0.48) 1794.3452 1532 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1794.3452 to where you basically can be. 1795.9156 1533 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1795.9156 (pause 0.50) 1796.4167 1534 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1796.4167 Uh, in terms of promotions, 1798.2604 1535 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1798.2604 (pause 0.47) 1798.7331 1536 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1798.7331 um, 1799.3619 1537 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1799.3619 (pause 0.11) 1799.4706 1538 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1799.4706 in terms of, uh, 1800.7660 1539 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1800.7660 (pause 0.47) 1801.2348 1540 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1801.2348 uh, uh, jobs, 1803.1873 1541 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1803.1873 (pause 0.46) 1803.6506 1542 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1803.6506 uh, in terms of, uh, uh, 1805.8536 1543 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1805.8536 (pause 0.52) 1806.3744 1544 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1806.3744 uh, corporate ladder and stuff like that, 1808.7523 1545 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1808.7523 (pause 0.30) 1809.0502 1546 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1809.0502 in the fifties and sixties, 1810.5913 1547 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1810.5913 (pause 0.25) 1810.8371 1548 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1810.8371 it was very, very hard here. Even though Kodak 1813.2774 1549 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1813.2774 (pause 0.43) 1813.7076 1550 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1813.7076 was a 1814.1945 1551 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1814.1945 (pause 0.10) 1814.2985 1552 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1814.2985 major employer, 1815.4425 1553 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1815.4425 (pause 0.36) 1815.8018 1554 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1815.8018 and a lot of blacks did very well 1817.6455 1555 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1817.6455 (pause 0.17) 1817.8157 1556 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1817.8157 being in there, 1818.6289 1557 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1818.6289 (pause 0.38) 1819.0126 1558 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1819.0126 uh, they didn't have the jobs, 1820.8327 1559 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1820.8327 (pause 0.44) 1821.2771 1560 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1821.2771 uh, that was compared to, uh, a lot of whites and stuff like that. Uh, 1825.6508 1561 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1825.6508 (pause 0.56) 1826.2134 1562 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1826.2134 their- their- their positions, um, 1828.3880 1563 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1828.3880 (pause 0.59) 1828.9790 1564 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1828.9790 didn't lend very much but, uh, through hard work and stuff like that 1832.8725 1565 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1832.8725 (pause 0.34) 1833.2156 1566 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1833.2156 the African American community, 1834.8513 1567 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1834.8513 (pause 0.08) 1834.9317 1568 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1834.9317 uh, 1835.3335 1569 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1835.3335 (pause 0.26) 1835.5983 1570 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1835.5983 some people became mobile and was able, 1837.6839 1571 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1837.6839 (pause 0.09) 1837.7737 1572 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1837.7737 uh, 1838.3505 1573 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1838.3505 (pause 0.16) 1838.5065 1574 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1838.5065 to- to move out. 1839.4804 1575 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1839.4804 (pause 0.50) 1839.9815 1576 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1839.9815 As I understood, Xerox years ago, 1842.1892 1577 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1842.1892 (pause 0.52) 1842.7053 1578 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1842.7053 uh, there was an organization called FIGHT. 1844.9745 1579 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1844.9745 (pause 0.51) 1845.4851 1580 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1845.4851 Uh, 1846.2320 1581 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1846.2320 (pause 0.47) 1846.7048 1582 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1846.7048 it was run by, uh, 1848.1608 1583 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1848.1608 (pause 0.52) 1848.6780 1584 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1848.6780 uh, Minister Franklin Florence, uh, 1851.0029 1585 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1851.0029 (pause 0.31) 1851.3102 1586 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1851.3102 as a y- 1852.1564 1587 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1852.1564 (pause 0.09) 1852.2509 1588 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1852.2509 a y- 1852.5488 1589 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1852.5488 (pause 0.24) 1852.7851 1590 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1852.7851 a young man. 1853.6786 1591 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1853.6786 (pause 0.33) 1854.0048 1592 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1854.0048 It was on, uh, Prospect Street. 1855.9156 1593 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1855.9156 (pause 0.45) 1856.3694 1594 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1856.3694 We could go down there look in the window and see him negotiating, 1859.7070 1595 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1859.7070 (pause 0.48) 1860.1861 1596 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1860.1861 uh, with the powers that be, uh, in the city for, 1863.0710 1597 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1863.0710 (pause 0.36) 1863.4311 1598 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1863.4311 uh, better jobs, better housing, 1865.5916 1599 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1865.5916 (pause 0.35) 1865.9414 1600 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1865.9414 uh, 1866.5229 1601 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1866.5229 (pause 0.43) 1866.9484 1602 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1866.9484 uh, 1867.7331 1603 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1867.7331 (pause 0.12) 1867.8513 1604 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1867.8513 you know, basically for blacks. 1869.4067 1605 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1869.4067 (pause 0.41) 1869.8141 1606 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1869.8141 But in Rochester, Rochester's always been 1872.4047 1607 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1872.4047 (pause 0.34) 1872.7451 1608 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1872.7451 a tale of two cities. 1873.9175 1609 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1873.9175 (pause 0.32) 1874.2343 1610 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1874.2343 It was very rich because 1875.9118 1611 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1875.9118 (pause 0.32) 1876.2296 1612 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1876.2296 there was Xerox and there was Kodak 1878.1069 1613 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1878.1069 (pause 0.35) 1878.4615 1614 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1878.4615 and there was this 1879.6244 1615 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1879.6244 (pause 0.36) 1879.9884 1616 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1879.9884 enormous amount of wealth. 1881.8700 1617 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1881.8700 (pause 0.61) 1882.4759 1618 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1882.4759 Uh, but when you went to the third, 1885.6055 1619 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1885.6055 (pause 0.58) 1886.1823 1620 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1886.1823 uh, the seventh ward 1887.5107 1621 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1887.5107 (pause 0.45) 1887.9653 1622 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1887.9653 and, uh, some of these places here in the city of Rochester, 1890.7829 1623 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1890.7829 (pause 0.42) 1891.1989 1624 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1891.1989 uh, 1891.7426 1625 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1891.7426 (pause 0.34) 1892.0783 1626 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1892.0783 the same concentrated poverty, 1894.0449 1627 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1894.0449 (pause 0.36) 1894.4050 1628 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1894.4050 in the neighborhood that I grew up in, 1896.0123 1629 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1896.0123 (pause 0.17) 1896.1778 1630 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1896.1778 it's still the same, uh, 1897.7284 1631 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1897.7284 (pause 0.26) 1897.9884 1632 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1897.9884 where it is at there. So 1899.2081 1633 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1899.2081 (pause 0.54) 1899.7432 1634 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1899.7432 there's not a lot that has improved, uh, in terms of the infrastructure, 1903.9884 1635 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1903.9884 (pause 0.45) 1904.4423 1636 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1904.4423 uh, to where 1905.4729 1637 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1905.4729 (pause 0.33) 1905.8046 1638 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1905.8046 poor people are at. 1906.7879 1639 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1906.7879 (pause 0.54) 1907.3269 1640 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1907.3269 When they migrated up here, uh, in- 1909.4477 1641 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1909.4477 (pause 0.08) 1909.5293 1642 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1909.5293 in the South, 1910.2059 1643 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1910.2059 (pause 0.45) 1910.6550 1644 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1910.6550 and I seen a lot of folks, /??/ 1912.2387 1645 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1912.2387 (pause 0.28) 1912.5185 1646 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1912.5185 uh, with the Great Migration in the fifties. 1914.5702 1647 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1914.5702 (pause 0.33) 1914.9011 1648 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1914.9011 When I was coming up as a little boy and stuff like that 1916.9907 1649 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1916.9907 (pause 0.29) 1917.2838 1650 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1917.2838 there was only two neighborhoods that you can grow up in. 1919.6152 1651 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1919.6152 (pause 0.33) 1919.9462 1652 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1919.9462 It was the seventh ward, where the riots broke out at, 1922.6125 1653 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1922.6125 (pause 0.30) 1922.9103 1654 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1922.9103 and the third ward, where the riots, uh, ended at. 1926.1920 1655 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1926.1920 (pause 0.57) 1926.7593 1656 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1926.7593 And so, that was, um, 1928.5510 1657 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1928.5510 (pause 0.68) 1929.2298 1658 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1929.2298 you know, the powder keg for that. 1930.8338 1659 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1930.8338 (pause 0.57) 1931.3997 1660 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1931.3997 Uh, we fast forward to this day and time, 1933.6366 1661 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1933.6366 (pause 0.44) 1934.0763 1662 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1934.0763 there's still that same type of dynamic 1936.8844 1663 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1936.8844 (pause 0.53) 1937.4139 1664 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1937.4139 that, 1937.7783 1665 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1937.7783 (pause 0.16) 1937.9339 1666 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1937.9339 uh, has a tendency to work here because people 1940.9131 1667 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1940.9131 (pause 0.37) 1941.2865 1668 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1941.2865 are still a little sick and tired of it, and, 1943.6361 1669 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1943.6361 (pause 0.67) 1944.3027 1670 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1944.3027 uh, th- things don't get any better. Uh, 1947.1636 1671 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1947.1636 (pause 0.57) 1947.7356 1672 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1947.7356 police treat young people always, uh, with disdain, if, uh, 1951.8939 1673 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1951.8939 (pause 0.55) 1952.4470 1674 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1952.4470 uh, they're black, uh, you get harassed and stuff like that. So, 1955.9225 1675 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1955.9225 (pause 0.49) 1956.4095 1676 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1956.4095 you know, racism is always alive and well. 1959.2128 1677 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1959.2128 (pause 0.50) 1959.7092 1678 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1959.7092 And, 1960.1536 1679 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1960.1536 (pause 0.19) 1960.3435 1680 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1960.3435 when young people don't see it getting any better, 1962.9218 1681 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1962.9218 (pause 0.90) 1963.8182 1682 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1963.8182 uh, you know, then they strike out. 1965.6998 1683 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1965.6998 (pause 0.15) 1965.8472 1684 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1965.8472 And, uh, 1966.7359 1685 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1966.7359 (pause 1.34) 1968.0785 1686 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1968.0785 you know, Black Lives Matter and some of the other organizing things that, 1971.6289 1687 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1971.6289 (pause 0.49) 1972.1166 1688 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1972.1166 um, 1972.6650 1689 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1972.6650 (pause 0.26) 1972.9250 1690 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1972.9250 is causing them to, 1974.3716 1691 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1974.3716 (pause 0.50) 1974.8727 1692 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1974.8727 uh, become, uh, woke, 1977.2270 1693 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1977.2270 (pause 0.59) 1977.8141 1694 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1977.8141 um, 1978.4334 1695 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1978.4334 (pause 0.70) 1979.1378 1696 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1979.1378 very, very easy for these things right now to manifest themselves. And I think, 1983.2885 1697 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1983.2885 (pause 0.40) 1983.6864 1698 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1983.6864 uh, it's their time now 1985.4403 1699 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1985.4403 (pause 0.38) 1985.8185 1700 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1985.8185 uh, for the equality. 1987.0240 1701 ROC_int_01 1987.9128 Yeah, 1988.2721 1702 ROC_int_01 1988.2721 (pause 0.15) 1988.4261 1703 ROC_int_01 1988.4261 have you heard of the organization BLACK here? 1990.8419 1704 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1990.8750 Yes. 1991.3619 1705 ROC_int_01 1991.4423 Yeah, and what do you think of the work that they're doing within the community? 1995.0454 1706 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1995.1636 I- I think- 1995.8255 1707 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1995.8255 (pause 0.15) 1995.9767 1708 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 1995.9767 I think the work of BLACK is, uh, pretty good. I know a f- few of the folks that are in there. Um, 2001.1987 1709 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2001.1987 (pause 1.00) 2002.1970 1710 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2002.1970 uh, but w- one thing that, 2004.2534 1711 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2004.2534 (pause 0.17) 2004.4270 1712 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2004.4270 uh, they may miss, uh, 2006.7685 1713 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2006.7685 (pause 0.27) 2007.0407 1714 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2007.0407 the mark on as, uh, 2008.7804 1715 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2008.7804 (pause 0.69) 2009.4659 1716 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2009.4659 uh, young people so often do, 2012.3221 1717 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2012.3221 (pause 0.75) 2013.0738 1718 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2013.0738 uh, they sort of organize around, 2015.9434 1719 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2015.9434 (pause 0.79) 2016.7297 1720 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2016.7297 2016.8495 1721 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2016.8495 (pause 0.30) 2017.1450 1722 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2017.1450 you know, what is fad-ish, 2018.6578 1723 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2018.6578 (pause 0.79) 2019.4473 1724 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2019.4473 and not so much around the issues in terms of really understanding them. 2024.9462 1725 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2024.9462 (pause 0.63) 2025.5749 1726 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2025.5749 Uh, 2026.2226 1727 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2026.2226 (pause 0.36) 2026.5866 1728 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2026.5866 they're more so of a reaction, 2029.0118 1729 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2029.0118 (pause 0.40) 2029.4145 1730 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2029.4145 you understand, 2030.2890 1731 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2030.2890 (pause 0.59) 2030.8800 1732 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2030.8800 to the, uh, 2031.9578 1733 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2031.9578 (pause 0.42) 2032.3739 1734 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2032.3739 injustices and inequalities of the dominant society. 2035.6981 1735 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2035.6981 (pause 0.61) 2036.3127 1736 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2036.3127 Uh, but there's not a whole lot of organizing 2038.9412 1737 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2038.9412 (pause 0.27) 2039.2153 1738 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2039.2153 that you might have seen in the sixties, 2041.0402 1739 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2041.0402 (pause 0.39) 2041.4334 1740 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2041.4334 uh, w- w- with the Black Power movements. The Black Power movements 2045.3619 1741 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2045.3619 (pause 0.34) 2045.7023 1742 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2045.7023 were more about self help 2047.1725 1743 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2047.1725 (pause 0.40) 2047.5752 1744 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2047.5752 more than anything else. 2048.8516 1745 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2048.8516 (pause 0.48) 2049.3291 1746 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2049.3291 Uh, initially these groups are 2051.9812 1747 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2051.9812 (pause 0.31) 2052.2913 1748 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2052.2913 a little bit more of a protest, 2054.5611 1749 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2054.5611 (pause 0.53) 2055.0880 1750 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2055.0880 uh, more so than organizing and trying to 2058.2223 1751 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2058.2223 (pause 0.48) 2058.7006 1752 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2058.7006 take, um, 2059.6461 1753 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2059.6461 (pause 0.51) 2060.1567 1754 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2060.1567 the black intellect and form an intelligentsia to, uh, 2063.7070 1755 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2063.7070 (pause 0.28) 2063.9859 1756 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2063.9859 lead the movement. 2064.8085 1757 ROC_int_01 2065.3010 Mm, 2065.5516 1758 ROC_int_01 2065.5516 (pause 0.35) 2065.9014 1759 ROC_int_01 2065.9014 okay. 2066.2938 1760 ROC_int_01 2066.2938 (pause 0.75) 2067.0454 1761 ROC_int_01 2067.0454 Um, 2067.6789 1762 ROC_int_01 2067.6789 (pause 0.31) 2067.9894 1763 ROC_int_01 2067.9894 2068.0631 1764 ROC_int_01 2068.0631 (pause 0.21) 2068.2746 1765 ROC_int_01 2068.2746 I wanted to ask a question, you mentioned a while back that, um, you're fourth generation here. 2073.5154 1766 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2073.6147 Mm-hm. 2073.8983 1767 ROC_int_01 2073.9512 Um, but your grandparents I'm assuming, 2075.9923 1768 ROC_int_01 2075.9923 (pause 0.14) 2076.1293 1769 ROC_int_01 2076.1293 were they born here, or 2077.3455 1770 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2077.6953 [No], they weren't born here. Uh, [my-] 2079.6470 1771 ROC_int_01 2077.6953 [/they-/] 2077.8436 1772 ROC_int_01 2077.8436 (pause 1.55) 2079.3953 1773 ROC_int_01 2079.3953 [/?/] 2079.6679 1774 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2079.7392 my 2080.0874 1775 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2080.0874 (pause 0.30) 2080.3833 1776 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2080.3833 m- 2080.4590 1777 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2080.4590 (pause 0.17) 2080.6291 1778 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2080.6291 my grandmother on my- 2081.6843 1779 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2081.6843 (pause 0.29) 2081.9793 1780 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2081.9793 on my father's side, I know more about that 2084.0641 1781 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2084.0641 (pause 0.36) 2084.4234 1782 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2084.4234 side than my mother's side. 2085.6194 1783 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2085.6194 (pause 0.66) 2086.2774 1784 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2086.2774 But my grandmother came from, uh, Bradford, Pennsylvania, 2089.5630 1785 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2089.5630 (pause 0.60) 2090.1586 1786 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2090.1586 uh, in nineteen twelve and she settled here and she married, uh, my grandfather. He was from North Carolina. 2095.9959 1787 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2095.9959 (pause 0.72) 2096.7192 1788 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2096.7192 But, uh, we do have, uh, 2098.5913 1789 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2098.5913 (pause 0.75) 2099.3443 1790 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2099.3443 2099.3913 1791 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2099.3913 (pause 0.10) 2099.4895 1792 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2099.4895 an infamous, uh, 2100.8511 1793 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2100.8511 (pause 0.69) 2101.5421 1794 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2101.5421 great-grandfather who fought in the Civil War. 2103.8727 1795 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2103.8727 (pause 0.72) 2104.5960 1796 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2104.5960 And uh, he came 2106.4729 1797 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2106.4729 (pause 0.38) 2106.8519 1798 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2106.8519 to Rochester with my 2108.5396 1799 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2108.5396 (pause 0.34) 2108.8752 1800 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2108.8752 grandmother a little later on, 2110.9459 1801 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2110.9459 (pause 0.53) 2111.4754 1802 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2111.4754 when my grandfather had a 2113.1536 1803 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2113.1536 (pause 0.56) 2113.7123 1804 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2113.7123 terrible car accident. He was over road truck driving, he lost his eye in a 2117.9954 1805 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2117.9954 (pause 0.24) 2118.2318 1806 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2118.2318 accident, and so, 2119.5224 1807 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2119.5224 (pause 0.55) 2120.0716 1808 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2120.0716 uh, my great-grandfather came to help my grandmother raise her children here. 2124.2743 1809 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2124.2743 (pause 0.60) 2124.8708 1810 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2124.8708 And, uh, his name is /RD-NAME-2/. Uh, 2127.5655 1811 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2127.5655 (pause 0.52) 2128.0855 1812 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2128.0855 his discharge paper's in the Smithsonian. Uh, 2131.0827 1813 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2131.0827 (pause 0.40) 2131.4806 1814 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2131.4806 he fought, uh, in the Civil War 2133.6080 1815 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2133.6080 (pause 0.39) 2133.9957 1816 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2133.9957 and he died nineteen thirty-seven here in, uh, Rochester but, uh, 2137.4609 1817 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2137.4609 (pause 0.61) 2138.0716 1818 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2138.0716 he's- um, 2139.2818 1819 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2139.2818 (pause 0.93) 2140.2084 1820 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2140.2084 uh, 2141.2390 1821 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2141.2390 (pause 0.42) 2141.6550 1822 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2141.6550 he's in the R- 2142.2601 1823 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2142.2601 (pause 0.26) 2142.5162 1824 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2142.5162 Rochester public libraries, and he's part of Afro-Rochester. 2145.9673 1825 ROC_int_01 2147.2673 Cool. 2147.7401 1826 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2147.8961 Yeah. 2148.1892 1827 ROC_int_01 2148.2554 Okay. 2148.6903 1828 ROC_int_01 2148.6903 (pause 0.36) 2149.0457 1829 ROC_int_01 2149.0457 So, okay. 2150.5632 1830 ROC_int_01 2150.5632 (pause 2.00) 2152.5596 1831 ROC_int_01 2152.5596 Your grandmother came here and raised your- 2155.2403 1832 ROC_int_01 2155.2403 (pause 0.09) 2155.3301 1833 ROC_int_01 2155.3301 um, 2155.7887 1834 ROC_int_01 2155.7887 (pause 0.52) 2156.3113 1835 ROC_int_01 2156.3113 and your grand- great-grandfather came and helped her raise her [children, right?] 2159.4361 1836 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2159.0674 [Mm-hm.] 2159.4834 1837 ROC_int_01 2159.9334 Um, 2160.3919 1838 ROC_int_01 2160.3919 (pause 0.37) 2160.7654 1839 ROC_int_01 2160.7654 do you know maybe why they wanted to come to 2163.7106 1840 ROC_int_01 2163.7106 (pause 0.14) 2163.8524 1841 ROC_int_01 2163.8524 Rochester in the first place? Like what was- 2166.2596 1842 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2166.5385 Well, uh, along in this time, they- they felt as though- that there was opportunities up here. 2171.6914 1843 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2171.6914 (pause 0.46) 2172.1556 1844 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2172.1556 Uh, some of my mother's- uh, 2173.7487 1845 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2173.7487 (pause 0.15) 2173.9000 1846 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2173.9000 my grandmother's, uh, sisters, 2175.5783 1847 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2175.5783 (pause 0.59) 2176.1645 1848 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2176.1645 uh, they lived in, um, 2178.6898 1849 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2178.6898 (pause 0.99) 2179.6825 1850 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2179.6825 uh, Le Roy, and then some of 'em moved to, uh, Buffalo, 2183.0296 1851 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2183.0296 (pause 0.50) 2183.5315 1852 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2183.5315 uh, where- where there was a rural help where you could 2187.4128 1853 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2187.4128 (pause 0.49) 2187.9044 1854 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2187.9044 work like on farms and stuff like that. Uh, 2190.5432 1855 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2190.5432 (pause 0.88) 2191.4272 1856 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2191.4272 my grandmother came here and, 2193.3750 1857 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2193.3750 (pause 0.61) 2193.9801 1858 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2193.9801 you know, she was high school educated and everything else. Uh, 2196.9659 1859 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2196.9659 (pause 0.70) 2197.6656 1860 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2197.6656 my, uh, grandfather was over the road truck driver and there was a lot of, uh, 2201.7935 1861 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2201.7935 (pause 0.63) 2202.4270 1862 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2202.4270 um, 2203.2354 1863 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2203.2354 (pause 1.21) 2204.4464 1864 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2204.4464 uh, stuff to ship back and forth 2206.5596 1865 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2206.5596 (pause 0.44) 2206.9993 1866 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2206.9993 up here in upstate New York. Uh, 2209.0699 1867 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2209.0699 (pause 0.35) 2209.4150 1868 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2209.4150 more s- 2209.7459 1869 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2209.7459 (pause 0.14) 2209.8878 1870 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2209.8878 more so than there would be in the south. 2211.6425 1871 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2211.6425 (pause 0.52) 2212.1672 1872 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2212.1672 Uh, my grandmother also used to 2214.7721 1873 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2214.7721 (pause 0.69) 2215.4576 1874 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2215.4576 iron and do laundry for, 2217.5716 1875 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2217.5716 (pause 0.17) 2217.7370 1876 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2217.7370 uh, you know, rich lawyers and stuff like that that lived on Plymouth Avenue 2221.7176 1877 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2221.7176 (pause 0.36) 2222.0777 1878 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2222.0777 at that time. They grew up, 2223.2643 1879 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2223.2643 (pause 0.55) 2223.8127 1880 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2223.8127 they had a house there on, uh, /RD-ADDRESS-3/ 2225.8077 1881 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2225.8077 (pause 0.53) 2226.3419 1882 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2226.3419 where, uh, 2227.0888 1883 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2227.0888 (pause 0.33) 2227.4225 1884 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2227.4225 most of us all grew up at or we gathered around. 2230.0935 1885 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2230.0935 (pause 0.50) 2230.5899 1886 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2230.5899 And so that was their, uh, 2232.3967 1887 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2232.3967 (pause 0.24) 2232.6330 1888 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2232.6330 entre here. 2233.5360 1889 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2233.5360 (pause 0.50) 2234.0371 1890 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2234.0371 Uh, 2234.5004 1891 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2234.5004 (pause 0.23) 2234.7320 1892 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2234.7320 2234.9306 1893 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2234.9306 (pause 0.19) 2235.1244 1894 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2235.1244 my parents- um, 2236.3488 1895 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2236.3488 (pause 0.93) 2237.2756 1896 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2237.2756 2237.3368 1897 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2237.3368 (pause 0.48) 2237.8152 1898 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2237.8152 my father, he grew up, he didn't take really good advantage of, uh, 2241.4270 1899 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2241.4270 (pause 0.63) 2242.0557 1900 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2242.0557 of, uh, all of his potential. So he- 2244.2671 1901 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2244.2671 (pause 0.08) 2244.3486 1902 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2244.3486 he always wound up being a laborer and stuff like that, but I had aunt- 2247.5438 1903 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2247.5438 (pause 0.13) 2247.6770 1904 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2247.6770 aunts and uncles that, uh, 2249.2087 1905 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2249.2087 (pause 0.78) 2249.9840 1906 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2249.9840 uh, 2250.5796 1907 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2250.5796 (pause 0.35) 2250.9342 1908 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2250.9342 you know, they tried 2251.9979 1909 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2251.9979 (pause 0.27) 2252.2721 1910 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2252.2721 to, 2252.7354 1911 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2252.7354 (pause 0.80) 2253.5390 1912 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2253.5390 uh, follow suit, go to school, and s- 2256.0866 1913 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2256.0866 (pause 0.11) 2256.1967 1914 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2256.1967 and- and things like that. I had a aunt, she was 2258.6645 1915 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2258.6645 (pause 0.71) 2259.3736 1916 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2259.3736 /possibly/ the first, uh, 2260.6481 1917 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2260.6481 (pause 0.23) 2260.8797 1918 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2260.8797 female, uh, 2262.4256 1919 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2262.4256 (pause 0.27) 2262.6959 1920 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2262.6959 police officer, uh, that made Sergeant, 2265.4473 1921 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2265.4473 (pause 0.69) 2266.1422 1922 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2266.1422 uh, here on the Rochester police department and, 2268.5958 1923 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2268.5958 (pause 0.46) 2269.0552 1924 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2269.0552 you know, she became a lawyer, a corporate lawyer for, uh, Kodak 2272.5535 1925 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2272.5535 (pause 0.43) 2272.9837 1926 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2272.9837 and things like that. So, 2274.2270 1927 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2274.2270 (pause 0.38) 2274.6052 1928 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2274.6052 you know, our family basically settled here and did alright. Uh, 2278.1800 1929 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2278.1800 (pause 0.43) 2278.6150 1930 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2278.6150 my brothers and sisters they're in pretty good shape, uh, also too, so. 2282.2654 1931 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2282.2654 (pause 0.67) 2282.9367 1932 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2282.9367 Uh, 2283.4331 1933 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2283.4331 (pause 0.86) 2284.2888 1934 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2284.2888 being up here, 2285.5605 1935 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2285.5605 (pause 0.22) 2285.7772 1936 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2285.7772 uh, 2286.3689 1937 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2286.3689 (pause 0.72) 2287.0855 1938 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2287.0855 we- 2287.4637 1939 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2287.4637 (pause 0.15) 2287.6102 1940 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2287.6102 we heard a lot of stories, especially my mother and them, they're from the South, 2291.3269 1941 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2291.3269 (pause 0.60) 2291.9225 1942 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2291.9225 of, um, 2292.9295 1943 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2292.9295 (pause 0.27) 2293.2037 1944 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2293.2037 you know, prejudice, 2294.3714 1945 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2294.3714 (pause 0.53) 2294.9008 1946 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2294.9008 uh, 2295.7754 1947 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2295.7754 (pause 0.29) 2296.0694 1948 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2296.0694 brutality and everything else. 2297.8800 1949 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2297.8800 (pause 0.46) 2298.3433 1950 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2298.3433 But up here, there was a lot of racism and things too, and, uh, 2302.4704 1951 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2302.4704 (pause 0.86) 2303.3316 1952 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2303.3316 /?/ 2303.5963 1953 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2303.5963 (pause 0.19) 2303.7902 1954 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2303.7902 according to my father and everything else like that, you know, they were always 2307.5201 1955 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2307.5201 (pause 0.40) 2307.9228 1956 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2307.9228 the only blacks in the school or, 2309.8942 1957 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2309.8942 (pause 0.71) 2310.6033 1958 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2310.6033 uh, in a classroom and stuff like that. So, 2312.8205 1959 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2312.8205 (pause 0.41) 2313.2276 1960 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2313.2276 they sort of faced some things also too. Uh, 2315.5318 1961 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2315.5318 (pause 0.45) 2315.9809 1962 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2315.9809 they adjusted very well. 2317.3944 1963 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2317.3944 (pause 0.70) 2318.0941 1964 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2318.0941 Uh, as you know, black folks are resilient, 2320.3980 1965 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2320.3980 (pause 0.10) 2320.4973 1966 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2320.4973 so, 2321.0118 1967 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2321.0118 (pause 0.43) 2321.4387 1968 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2321.4387 uh, you make the best 2323.0176 1969 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2323.0176 (pause 0.57) 2323.5849 1970 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2323.5849 of the situation that you're in. 2325.1450 1971 ROC_int_01 2326.5443 Yeah. 2326.8658 1972 ROC_int_01 2326.8658 (pause 0.61) 2327.4717 1973 ROC_int_01 2327.4717 Um, 2328.0249 1974 ROC_int_01 2328.0249 (pause 0.86) 2328.8853 1975 ROC_int_01 2328.8853 so are- is most of your family still here? Or have they thought about moving? 2334.1430 1976 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2334.5685 No, all- all of my brothers and sisters are here except one. He's in- uh, my- my younger brother, he's in Tulsa, Oklahoma. 2340.5496 1977 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2340.5496 (pause 0.86) 2341.4053 1978 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2341.4053 Um, 2342.0766 1979 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2342.0766 (pause 0.78) 2342.8518 1980 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2342.8518 2342.8871 1981 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2342.8871 (pause 1.06) 2343.9439 1982 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2343.9439 he- uh, 2344.9990 1983 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2344.9990 (pause 0.73) 2345.7318 1984 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2345.7318 he works for, um- 2347.5187 1985 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2347.5187 (pause 0.90) 2348.4226 1986 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2348.4226 Oh I gotta try to 2349.3199 1987 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2349.3199 (pause 0.48) 2349.8021 1988 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2349.8021 /think of the-/ He works for /RD-WORK-2/. 2351.4765 1989 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2351.4765 (pause 0.59) 2352.0627 1990 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2352.0627 He's an engineer at /RD-WORK-2/, so, uh, 2354.4075 1991 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2354.4075 (pause 0.37) 2354.7810 1992 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2354.7810 it's a German company and stuff like that. He has to go to Germany s- sometimes also too. 2359.1453 1993 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2359.1453 (pause 0.58) 2359.7220 1994 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2359.7220 But, uh, you know, he's well adjusted out there. He's, uh, 2362.5774 1995 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2362.5774 (pause 0.37) 2362.9470 1996 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2362.9470 at the headquarters out there in Tulsa, 2364.8380 1997 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2364.8380 (pause 0.26) 2365.0933 1998 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2365.0933 Oklahoma. 2365.7788 1999 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2365.7788 (pause 0.68) 2366.4595 2000 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2366.4595 Uh, my oldest sister retired from, uh, 2369.2629 2001 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2369.2629 (pause 0.90) 2370.1639 2002 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2370.1639 uh, the /RD-WORK-9/ where she worked at the hospital, uh, 2373.8900 2003 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2373.8900 (pause 0.26) 2374.1500 2004 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2374.1500 she had gotten her doctorate. 2375.4311 2005 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2375.4311 (pause 0.65) 2376.0835 2006 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2376.0835 Uh, my other sister next- 2378.0037 2007 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2378.0037 (pause 0.09) 2378.0983 2008 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2378.0983 next to me had worked for /RD-WORK-2/ for so many years. 2381.0388 2009 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2381.0388 (pause 0.54) 2381.5763 2010 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2381.5763 And I have a older brother, uh, believe it or not, 2384.8958 2011 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2384.8958 (pause 0.68) 2385.5766 2012 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2385.5766 uh, he's one of the top ski instructors in New York State here, so. 2389.5343 2013 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2389.5343 (pause 0.64) 2390.1725 2014 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2390.1725 Uh, 2390.7256 2015 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2390.7256 (pause 0.22) 2390.9431 2016 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2390.9431 family is sort of 2391.9595 2017 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2391.9595 (pause 0.21) 2392.1675 2018 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2392.1675 rounded out 2392.9239 2019 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2392.9239 (pause 0.21) 2393.1366 2020 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2393.1366 pretty well and, uh, 2394.4272 2021 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2394.4272 (pause 0.97) 2395.3925 2022 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2395.3925 you know, I guess we can attribute most of that to our parents. 2398.2242 2023 ROC_int_01 2398.5126 Mm-hm. 2398.9996 2024 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2399.0232 Yeah. 2399.3683 2025 ROC_int_01 2399.7323 Yeah, 2400.1436 2026 ROC_int_01 2400.1436 (pause 0.15) 2400.2957 2027 ROC_int_01 2400.2957 and for you, [you-] you wanna stay put here for, 2403.4017 2028 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2401.3263 [Yeah.] 2401.5863 2029 ROC_int_01 2403.9075 you know, 2404.5702 2030 ROC_int_01 2404.5702 (pause 0.12) 2404.6923 2031 ROC_int_01 2404.6923 I don't know, the next few decades or are you thinking [maybe] retire [somewhere] else? 2409.3294 2032 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2407.5802 [Well], 2407.8875 2033 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2407.8875 (pause 0.51) 2408.3933 2034 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2408.3933 [I d- I-] 2408.8803 2035 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2409.3955 I- 2409.6461 2036 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2409.6461 (pause 0.23) 2409.8777 2037 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2409.8777 it all depends. I- I- 2411.3630 2038 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2411.3630 (pause 0.20) 2411.5663 2039 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2411.5663 I never know where I'm going but, uh, 2413.6464 2040 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2413.6464 (pause 0.86) 2414.5068 2041 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2414.5068 uh, 2415.3577 2042 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2415.3577 (pause 0.18) 2415.5421 2043 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2415.5421 you know, uh, 2416.6444 2044 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2416.6444 (pause 0.10) 2416.7437 2045 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2416.7437 what I try to do maybe the last ten, twelve years, is put an emphasis on supporting my wife, /RD-NAME-3/. 2422.6909 2046 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2422.6909 (pause 0.62) 2423.3110 2047 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2423.3110 And, uh, she went and got all of her education and, uh, she's got career goals and stuff like that, so 2429.2610 2048 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2429.2610 (pause 0.52) 2429.7810 2049 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2429.7810 you never know, we might have to pack this stuff up and go somewhere. But, uh, 2433.4172 2050 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2433.4172 (pause 0.35) 2433.7718 2051 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2433.7718 she has a passion for community colleges and, uh, 2436.9108 2052 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2436.9108 (pause 0.70) 2437.6066 2053 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2437.6066 you know, she would like to be a president of one one day, so we- we- we'll have to see what happens. And, uh, 2443.1519 2054 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2443.1519 (pause 0.85) 2444.0037 2055 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2444.0037 uh, certainly, uh, 2445.6347 2056 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2445.6347 (pause 0.90) 2446.5329 2057 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2446.5329 I guess I'm prepared to travel with them if, uh, they decide that they wanna do that. 2450.2968 2058 ROC_int_01 2450.5474 Mm-hm. 2451.1761 2059 ROC_int_01 2451.1761 (pause 0.88) 2452.0554 2060 ROC_int_01 2452.0554 Um, 2452.6889 2061 ROC_int_01 2452.6889 (pause 0.16) 2452.8449 2062 ROC_int_01 2452.8449 there was one more question I wanted to ask about 2455.4136 2063 ROC_int_01 2455.4136 (pause 0.07) 2455.4809 2064 ROC_int_01 2455.4809 Rochester in general 2456.7999 2065 ROC_int_01 2456.7999 (pause 0.08) 2456.8803 2066 ROC_int_01 2456.8803 and that is, uh, m- what are your favorite aspects of Rochester? 2461.0338 2067 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2461.9801 Well, 2462.3110 2068 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2462.3110 (pause 0.16) 2462.4670 2069 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2462.4670 2462.8972 2070 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2462.8972 (pause 0.32) 2463.2140 2071 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2463.2140 all that I've told you, uh, about Rochester and it's challenges and stuff like that, I- 2468.6419 2072 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2468.6419 (pause 0.43) 2469.0769 2073 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2469.0769 I believe that it's, uh, 2470.3769 2074 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2470.3769 (pause 0.50) 2470.8733 2075 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2470.8733 still a great city. 2472.0457 2076 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2472.0457 (pause 0.71) 2472.7548 2077 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2472.7548 Uh, historically, uh, it may be something in the water, what have you, but, 2478.2301 2078 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2478.2301 (pause 0.61) 2478.8399 2079 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2478.8399 uh, the Nineteenth Century Freedom Movement, uh, 2482.2776 2080 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2482.2776 (pause 0.74) 2483.0151 2081 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2483.0151 is basically an international movement that was started here with Frederick Douglass and Susan B. Anthony. 2488.2020 2082 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2488.2020 (pause 0.43) 2488.6322 2083 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2488.6322 And then there's other 2489.4631 2084 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2489.4631 (pause 0.07) 2489.5340 2085 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2489.5340 folks that have come along 2490.9439 2086 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2490.9439 (pause 0.45) 2491.3892 2087 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2491.3892 to, uh, make this, uh, an industrial giant, uh, George Eastman, 2496.1592 2088 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2496.1592 (pause 0.48) 2496.6366 2089 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2496.6366 uh, Joseph Wilson, everyone. So 2498.6277 2090 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2498.6277 (pause 0.37) 2499.0012 2091 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2499.0012 there's something about Rochester that, um, 2501.5021 2092 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2501.5021 (pause 1.07) 2502.5686 2093 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2502.5686 2502.6086 2094 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2502.6086 (pause 0.32) 2502.9250 2095 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2502.9250 uh, it has, 2504.1494 2096 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2504.1494 (pause 0.22) 2504.3677 2097 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2504.3677 uh, a very, very rich history 2506.4289 2098 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2506.4289 (pause 0.57) 2507.0009 2099 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2507.0009 and a resilience for working together. And, 2509.9509 2100 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2509.9509 (pause 0.37) 2510.3252 2101 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2510.3252 uh, 2511.3652 2102 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2511.3652 (pause 0.22) 2511.5874 2103 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2511.5874 my understanding of studying history, 2513.4217 2104 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2513.4217 (pause 0.38) 2513.8046 2105 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2513.8046 Frederick Douglass came here because, uh, 2516.2448 2106 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2516.2448 (pause 0.34) 2516.5852 2107 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2516.5852 the people had tolerance. 2517.9893 2108 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2517.9893 (pause 0.62) 2518.6086 2109 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2518.6086 And so, uh, 2519.7810 2110 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2519.7810 (pause 0.12) 2519.9039 2111 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2519.9039 you know, if we can find those things again, I'm quite sure that 2523.3719 2112 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2523.3719 (pause 0.44) 2523.8163 2113 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2523.8163 there's other folks that are being born right now, or 2526.5922 2114 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2526.5922 (pause 0.37) 2526.9656 2115 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2526.9656 have yet- we've yet to hear their voice, that are gonna do something similar. 2530.8563 2116 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2530.8563 (pause 0.68) 2531.5379 2117 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2531.5379 And so, uh, 2532.4787 2118 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2532.4787 (pause 0.30) 2532.7813 2119 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2532.7813 once again it could be, uh, something in the Genesee River or what- 2536.5632 2120 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2536.5632 (pause 0.42) 2536.9868 2121 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2536.9868 whatever, the Hemlock Lake or what have you, but, 2539.2039 2122 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2539.2039 (pause 0.60) 2539.8052 2123 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2539.8052 uh, very brilliant people come out of, uh, Rochester, 2543.1049 2124 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2543.1049 (pause 0.44) 2543.5446 2125 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2543.5446 uh, very decent and hardworking people of all, uh, 2546.9114 2126 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2546.9114 (pause 0.33) 2547.2376 2127 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2547.2376 races and creeds. 2548.5518 2128 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2548.5518 (pause 0.48) 2549.0293 2129 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2549.0293 Um, 2549.5493 2130 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2549.5493 (pause 0.09) 2549.6439 2131 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2549.6439 I've- I've always been excited of, um, 2552.2487 2132 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2552.2487 (pause 0.80) 2553.0485 2133 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2553.0485 you know, a lot of the African American accomplishments that, uh, have happened in the city, 2557.5963 2134 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2557.5963 (pause 0.37) 2557.9659 2135 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2557.9659 and how, uh, we should uplift those things, and, uh, 2561.2137 2136 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2561.2137 (pause 0.51) 2561.7242 2137 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2561.7242 make them, uh, /sancrosant/. 2563.7476 2138 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2563.7476 (pause 0.24) 2563.9848 2139 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2563.9848 Uh, 2564.6041 2140 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2564.6041 (pause 0.45) 2565.0579 2141 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2565.0579 to- 2565.4645 2142 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2565.4645 (pause 0.35) 2565.8191 2143 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2565.8191 that they have a value for us and that we don't forget it. 2568.3435 2144 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2568.3435 (pause 0.54) 2568.8872 2145 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2568.8872 And, uh, certainly, uh, 2570.9587 2146 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2570.9587 (pause 0.29) 2571.2518 2147 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2571.2518 persons such as yourself, you make us proud because 2574.0977 2148 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2574.0977 (pause 0.39) 2574.4901 2149 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2574.4901 you're going further than what, uh, we could ever imagine or dream of. 2578.2856 2150 ROC_int_01 2579.5635 Yeah, 2579.8283 2151 ROC_int_01 2579.8283 (pause 0.38) 2580.2112 2152 ROC_int_01 2580.2112 thank you. 2580.7312 2153 ROC_int_01 2580.7312 (pause 0.17) 2580.9014 2154 ROC_int_01 2580.9014 [] 2581.4592 2155 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2581.0460 [Mm-hm.] 2581.4384 2156 ROC_int_01 2581.9442 Um, 2582.5919 2157 ROC_int_01 2582.5919 (pause 0.12) 2582.7148 2158 ROC_int_01 2582.7148 and then my last couple questions are more so language related. 2585.9870 2159 ROC_int_01 2585.9870 (pause 0.48) 2586.4692 2160 ROC_int_01 2586.4692 Um, 2586.9373 2161 ROC_int_01 2586.9373 (pause 0.53) 2587.4667 2162 ROC_int_01 2587.4667 and that is whether or not, 2589.0599 2163 ROC_int_01 2589.0599 (pause 0.12) 2589.1781 2164 ROC_int_01 2589.1781 uh, 2589.6839 2165 ROC_int_01 2589.6839 (pause 0.48) 2590.1595 2166 ROC_int_01 2590.1595 maybe you've perceived, 2592.0457 2167 ROC_int_01 2592.0457 (pause 0.19) 2592.2348 2168 ROC_int_01 2592.2348 uh, certain Rochesterians to have an accent? 2594.9114 2169 ROC_int_01 2594.9114 (pause 0.33) 2595.2376 2170 ROC_int_01 2595.2376 Or maybe you've been told by 2597.3460 2171 ROC_int_01 2597.3460 (pause 0.14) 2597.4843 2172 ROC_int_01 2597.4843 people who are not from here 2599.1405 2173 ROC_int_01 2599.1405 (pause 0.29) 2599.4289 2174 ROC_int_01 2599.4289 that you have an accent? 2600.6675 2175 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2601.7737 Well, wo- once again, uh, in the fifties and sixties, people came here from the South 2606.6061 2176 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2606.6061 (pause 0.60) 2607.2064 2177 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2607.2064 and so, 2607.9014 2178 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2607.9014 (pause 0.26) 2608.1575 2179 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2608.1575 we heard a lot of southern accents. 2610.2849 2180 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2610.2849 (pause 0.66) 2610.9467 2181 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2610.9467 And, uh, we were made fun of just based upon how we, 2615.5568 2182 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2615.5568 (pause 1.04) 2616.5922 2183 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2616.5922 um, had names for certain things. 2619.3577 2184 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2619.3577 (pause 0.50) 2619.8588 2185 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2619.8588 In the South when you came up here, uh, you wanted a soft drink, they call it a soda. 2624.6656 2186 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2624.6656 (pause 0.55) 2625.2112 2187 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2625.2112 We call it pop up here. 2626.6483 2188 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2626.6483 (pause 0.77) 2627.4197 2189 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2627.4197 And so, um, 2628.5260 2190 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2628.5260 (pause 0.41) 2628.9373 2191 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2628.9373 uh, 2629.9017 2192 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2629.9017 (pause 2.12) 2632.0224 2193 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2632.0224 folks from the South would think that, 2633.7006 2194 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2633.7006 (pause 1.15) 2634.8494 2195 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2634.8494 uh, we're somewhat proper 2636.6277 2196 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2636.6277 (pause 0.53) 2637.1572 2197 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2637.1572 in- 2637.5886 2198 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2637.5886 (pause 0.13) 2637.7210 2199 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2637.7210 in- 2638.0519 2200 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2638.0519 (pause 0.19) 2638.2457 2201 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2638.2457 in o- 2638.6074 2202 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2638.6074 (pause 0.23) 2638.8343 2203 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2638.8343 in our- uh, 2640.2159 2204 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2640.2159 (pause 1.03) 2641.2465 2205 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2641.2465 you know, 2641.7949 2206 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2641.7949 (pause 0.94) 2642.7318 2207 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2642.7318 our speech, or, 2644.0365 2208 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2644.0365 (pause 1.87) 2645.9086 2209 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2645.9086 you know, to the degree that, um, 2647.7192 2210 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2647.7192 (pause 0.78) 2648.4954 2211 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2648.4954 we grew up 2649.2518 2212 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2649.2518 (pause 0.14) 2649.3889 2213 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2649.3889 not so much, 2650.8024 2214 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2650.8024 (pause 0.20) 2651.0057 2215 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2651.0057 uh, in close proximity, 2652.9818 2216 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2652.9818 (pause 0.45) 2653.4317 2217 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2653.4317 uh, with each other in the fifties and sixties. Now, 2656.7126 2218 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2656.7126 (pause 0.72) 2657.4349 2219 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2657.4349 2657.4725 2220 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2657.4725 (pause 0.05) 2657.5210 2221 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2657.5210 uh, there's a mixture 2659.1709 2222 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2659.1709 (pause 0.36) 2659.5310 2223 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2659.5310 of- uh, 2660.4387 2224 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2660.4387 (pause 0.71) 2661.1478 2225 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2661.1478 of, uh, all of that language and- and- 2663.5549 2226 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2663.5549 (pause 0.09) 2663.6471 2227 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2663.6471 and how it has gotten passed down. 2665.7429 2228 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2665.7429 (pause 0.50) 2666.2401 2229 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2666.2401 When you- when you mix it- 2667.4929 2230 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2667.4929 (pause 0.40) 2667.8947 2231 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2667.8947 when you mix it up you get a hodgepodge 2670.2159 2232 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2670.2159 (pause 0.50) 2670.7123 2233 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2670.7123 of, 2671.1425 2234 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2671.1425 (pause 0.52) 2671.6669 2235 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2671.6669 uh, southern dialect 2673.2979 2236 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2673.2979 (pause 1.04) 2674.3392 2237 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2674.3392 2674.3840 2238 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2674.3840 (pause 0.10) 2674.4854 2239 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2674.4854 and, uh, northern dialect. 2676.1258 2240 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2676.1258 (pause 0.66) 2676.7829 2241 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2676.7829 Uh, the dialect of New York City's much different from borough to borough. 2680.6083 2242 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2680.6083 (pause 0.70) 2681.3079 2243 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2681.3079 You know, uh, that dynamic is based upon, 2684.4848 2244 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2684.4848 (pause 0.42) 2684.9064 2245 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2684.9064 uh, 2685.6911 2246 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2685.6911 (pause 0.12) 2685.8093 2247 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2685.8093 i- 2685.9559 2248 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2685.9559 (pause 0.30) 2686.2584 2249 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2686.2584 is a- 2686.7501 2250 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2686.7501 (pause 1.12) 2687.8658 2251 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2687.8658 the linguist, uh, 2689.3786 2252 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2689.3786 (pause 0.44) 2689.8229 2253 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2689.8229 somewhat comes and melts together. 2691.6060 2254 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2691.6060 (pause 0.31) 2691.9133 2255 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2691.9133 You get Irish, Italian, 2693.5679 2256 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2693.5679 (pause 0.27) 2693.8374 2257 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2693.8374 African American. And so everyone 2695.9742 2258 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2695.9742 (pause 0.28) 2696.2531 2259 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2696.2531 has a- 2697.0285 2260 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2697.0285 (pause 0.51) 2697.5351 2261 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2697.5351 um, 2698.1166 2262 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2698.1166 (pause 0.49) 2698.6035 2263 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2698.6035 uh, an accent, 2699.8658 2264 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2699.8658 (pause 0.47) 2700.3338 2265 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2700.3338 you know, that's similar 2701.5677 2266 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2701.5677 (pause 0.33) 2701.8986 2267 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2701.8986 or the same, you know, and, I mean, 2703.5282 2268 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2703.5282 (pause 0.07) 2703.5932 2269 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2703.5932 that's the way that, 2704.6855 2270 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2704.6855 (pause 0.13) 2704.8131 2271 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2704.8131 uh, 2705.1964 2272 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2705.1964 (pause 0.56) 2705.7604 2273 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2705.7604 uh, environments, uh, basically do to where 2709.0988 2274 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2709.0988 (pause 0.28) 2709.3825 2275 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2709.3825 you would never hear that anywhere else. 2711.2545 2276 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2711.2545 (pause 0.48) 2711.7367 2277 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2711.7367 Uh, you would go to Boston and possibly just 2714.0532 2278 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2714.0532 (pause 0.50) 2714.5504 2279 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2714.5504 basically hear, 2715.7607 2280 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2715.7607 (pause 0.43) 2716.1956 2281 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2716.1956 uh, a very strong Irish accent 2718.7011 2282 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2718.7011 (pause 0.34) 2719.0368 2283 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2719.0368 out of everyone that's in the region. So, 2721.5621 2284 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2721.5621 (pause 0.63) 2722.1956 2285 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2722.1956 uh, I don't think Rochester ever had anything in terms of an accent, 2726.1336 2286 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2726.1336 (pause 0.16) 2726.2904 2287 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2726.2904 uh, for, uh, blacks. But 2728.4792 2288 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2728.4792 (pause 0.62) 2729.1033 2289 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2729.1033 one thing that blacks prided themselves on when I was coming up, my- 2733.7512 2290 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2733.7512 (pause 0.38) 2734.1341 2291 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2734.1341 my parents and grandparents and everything, 2735.8360 2292 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2735.8360 (pause 0.29) 2736.1244 2293 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2736.1244 is that you had to try to s- speak as proper as possible, you know. I mean, you couldn't 2739.9356 2294 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2739.9356 (pause 0.29) 2740.2240 2295 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2740.2240 shortcut things or anything else like that. They were afraid that there was some, 2743.7601 2296 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2743.7601 (pause 0.56) 2744.3188 2297 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2744.3188 uh, big white person in the sky or somewhere that was gonna look at you and say that, you know, 2748.9659 2298 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2748.9659 (pause 0.46) 2749.4245 2299 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2749.4245 uh, you're- 2750.6072 2300 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2750.6072 (pause 0.19) 2750.7963 2301 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2750.7963 you're- you're an ignorant so-and-so, so, 2752.9567 2302 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2752.9567 (pause 0.65) 2753.6044 2303 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2753.6044 um, 2754.2568 2304 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2754.2568 (pause 0.41) 2754.6681 2305 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2754.6681 you know, we were always encouraged to read the newspaper and stuff like that. 2758.0018 2306 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2758.0018 (pause 0.52) 2758.5171 2307 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2758.5171 And so, um, 2759.6847 2308 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2759.6847 (pause 1.17) 2760.8559 2309 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2760.8559 2760.9053 2310 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2760.9053 (pause 0.42) 2761.3299 2311 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2761.3299 our dialect 2762.3802 2312 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2762.3802 (pause 0.10) 2762.4826 2313 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2762.4826 was n- 2762.8230 2314 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2762.8230 (pause 0.25) 2763.0752 2315 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2763.0752 was- was nothing that we could ever hone in on. 2765.9448 2316 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2765.9448 (pause 0.68) 2766.6208 2317 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2766.6208 Uh, 2767.3299 2318 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2767.3299 (pause 0.27) 2767.6002 2319 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2767.6002 we had to try to 2768.7490 2320 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2768.7490 (pause 0.74) 2769.4865 2321 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2769.4865 s- so- sort of master, uh, our intellect and, uh, how we articulated a thing. 2774.5599 2322 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2774.5599 (pause 0.60) 2775.1603 2323 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2775.1603 But, uh, as people were coming up from the South, migrating and stuff like that, 2779.0604 2324 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2779.0604 (pause 0.45) 2779.5143 2325 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2779.5143 um, 2780.3188 2326 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2780.3188 (pause 1.87) 2782.1909 2327 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2782.1909 you live in cl- 2782.8291 2328 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2782.8291 (pause 0.18) 2783.0093 2329 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2783.0093 close proximity, then you find yourself 2785.4339 2330 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2785.4339 (pause 0.39) 2785.8224 2331 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2785.8224 somewhat almost with that accent, or 2788.3327 2332 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2788.3327 (pause 0.31) 2788.6447 2333 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2788.6447 at least some of the dialect. 2789.9731 2334 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2789.9731 (pause 0.61) 2790.5782 2335 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2790.5782 And we ha- w- we had folks that 2792.4795 2336 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2792.4795 (pause 0.26) 2792.7395 2337 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2792.7395 if they come from Louisiana, 2794.2665 2338 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2794.2665 (pause 0.38) 2794.6447 2339 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2794.6447 they come from South Carolina where 2796.3750 2340 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2796.3750 (pause 0.33) 2796.7059 2341 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2796.7059 folks were Geechee and stuff like that, they come up. 2799.2123 2342 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2799.2123 (pause 0.44) 2799.6519 2343 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2799.6519 Uh, 2800.2192 2344 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2800.2192 (pause 0.42) 2800.6400 2345 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2800.6400 it sort of gets passed down, but, 2802.5404 2346 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2802.5404 (pause 0.59) 2803.1313 2347 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2803.1313 you know. 2803.5426 2348 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2803.5426 (pause 0.35) 2803.8886 2349 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2803.8886 I mean, that's- that's- that's the way that it is, and the m- 2806.4556 2350 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2806.4556 (pause 0.31) 2806.7629 2351 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2806.7629 more that 2807.4105 2352 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2807.4105 (pause 0.31) 2807.7226 2353 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2807.7226 folks have to come together based upon circumstances, 2810.6686 2354 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2810.6686 (pause 0.46) 2811.1272 2355 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2811.1272 you see the linguist, uh, 2812.8102 2356 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2812.8102 (pause 0.43) 2813.2451 2357 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2813.2451 type of thing. It changes, 2814.6113 2358 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2814.6113 (pause 0.42) 2815.0273 2359 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2815.0273 um, 2815.5474 2360 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2815.5474 (pause 0.25) 2815.7940 2361 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2815.7940 after a few generations. 2817.2501 2362 ROC_int_01 2818.1247 Mm-hm. 2818.6305 2363 ROC_int_01 2818.6305 (pause 0.31) 2818.9425 2364 ROC_int_01 2818.9425 And so, black Americans 2820.7768 2365 ROC_int_01 2820.7768 (pause 0.34) 2821.1172 2366 ROC_int_01 2821.1172 don't really have the accent but do 2823.2690 2367 ROC_int_01 2823.2690 (pause 0.33) 2823.5952 2368 ROC_int_01 2823.5952 any white Americans you think have 2825.3916 2369 ROC_int_01 2825.3916 (pause 0.54) 2825.9306 2370 ROC_int_01 2825.9306 an accent, 2826.6822 2371 ROC_int_01 2826.6822 (pause 0.24) 2826.9186 2372 ROC_int_01 2826.9186 uh, that's kind of like 2828.0674 2373 ROC_int_01 2828.0674 (pause 0.75) 2828.8199 2374 ROC_int_01 2828.8199 Rochesterian to you? 2830.4887 2375 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2831.0371 Well, 2831.4247 2376 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2831.4247 (pause 0.39) 2831.8124 2377 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2831.8124 I think, uh, 2832.9092 2378 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2832.9092 (pause 1.82) 2834.7253 2379 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2834.7253 2835.4486 2380 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2835.4486 (pause 1.56) 2837.0040 2381 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2837.0040 w- when you- when you come to upstate New York 2839.6948 2382 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2839.6948 (pause 0.47) 2840.1675 2383 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2840.1675 once again, 2841.0574 2384 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2841.0574 (pause 0.14) 2841.1969 2385 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2841.1969 it's that, um, 2842.5927 2386 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2842.5927 (pause 1.32) 2843.9117 2387 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2843.9117 it all depends if- 2845.0502 2388 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2845.0502 (pause 0.09) 2845.1377 2389 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2845.1377 if you're coming to rural upstate New York, 2847.4854 2390 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2847.4854 (pause 0.31) 2847.7982 2391 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2847.7982 uh, 2848.3466 2392 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2848.3466 (pause 0.83) 2849.1739 2393 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2849.1739 it- there's sort of, uh, 2850.4834 2394 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2850.4834 (pause 0.20) 2850.6867 2395 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2850.6867 a farmer's 2851.8355 2396 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2851.8355 (pause 0.45) 2852.2846 2397 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2852.2846 type of, uh, 2853.2773 2398 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2853.2773 (pause 0.84) 2854.1197 2399 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2854.1197 uh, 2854.6964 2400 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2854.6964 (pause 0.50) 2855.1975 2401 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2855.1975 dialect, but, uh, 2856.7009 2402 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2856.7009 (pause 0.69) 2857.3911 2403 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2857.3911 certainly in Rochester, what, uh, this city has 2860.8004 2404 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2860.8004 (pause 0.29) 2861.0935 2405 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2861.0935 pushed 2861.5590 2406 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2861.5590 (pause 0.11) 2861.6654 2407 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2861.6654 is 2862.0437 2408 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2862.0437 (pause 0.62) 2862.6678 2409 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2862.6678 su- s- such of its intellectualism because of, uh, 2865.7785 2410 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2865.7785 (pause 0.33) 2866.1055 2411 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2866.1055 its universities, uh, 2867.6041 2412 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2867.6041 (pause 0.20) 2867.8074 2413 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2867.8074 and its industry and stuff like that. 2869.7882 2414 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2869.7882 (pause 0.36) 2870.1522 2415 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2870.1522 You really couldn't- 2870.9748 2416 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2870.9748 (pause 0.34) 2871.3104 2417 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2871.3104 I never really got a pitch, 2872.9564 2418 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2872.9564 (pause 0.68) 2873.6372 2419 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2873.6372 uh, to where I said, 2875.0980 2420 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2875.0980 (pause 0.62) 2875.7220 2421 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2875.7220 that sounds Rochesterian, you know. 2877.6650 2422 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2877.6650 (pause 0.56) 2878.2284 2423 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2878.2284 Uh, 2878.8241 2424 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2878.8241 (pause 0.60) 2879.4245 2425 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2879.4245 you know it just doesn't, but I've traveled a lot of places, 2882.3177 2426 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2882.3177 (pause 0.51) 2882.8282 2427 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2882.8282 and 2883.4003 2428 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2883.4003 (pause 0.79) 2884.1906 2429 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2884.1906 even in Pennsylvania, you get the strong Dutch 2886.9845 2430 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2886.9845 (pause 0.73) 2887.7125 2431 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2887.7125 type of, uh, 2888.7242 2432 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2888.7242 (pause 0.43) 2889.1592 2433 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2889.1592 accent and stuff like that, but up here, I- you just can't 2892.4361 2434 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2892.4361 (pause 0.82) 2893.2587 2435 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2893.2587 I c- I just could never tell. 2894.6250 2436 ROC_int_01 2894.6986 Mm-hm. 2895.1572 2437 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2895.1970 Uh, 2895.7359 2438 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2895.7359 (pause 0.17) 2895.9022 2439 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2895.9022 the- the- there may be- 2897.2401 2440 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2897.2401 (pause 0.21) 2897.4481 2441 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2897.4481 there may be that 2898.4019 2442 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2898.4019 (pause 0.10) 2898.5035 2443 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2898.5035 but, 2898.8521 2444 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2898.8521 (pause 0.69) 2899.5459 2445 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2899.5459 um, 2900.1841 2446 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2900.1841 (pause 0.58) 2900.7601 2447 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2900.7601 it's not something that, uh, 2902.3580 2448 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2902.3580 (pause 0.72) 2903.0813 2449 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2903.0813 uh, 2903.8897 2450 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2903.8897 (pause 1.27) 2905.1575 2451 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2905.1575 registered with me 2906.4245 2452 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2906.4245 (pause 0.43) 2906.8547 2453 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2906.8547 [in- in such] a way, you know. 2908.1973 2454 ROC_int_01 2906.9445 [Yeah.] 2907.3038 2455 ROC_int_01 2908.5471 Yeah, 2909.0009 2456 ROC_int_01 2909.0009 (pause 0.23) 2909.2278 2457 ROC_int_01 2909.2278 I ask because of- I get mixed reviews from people, sometimes they say, you know, it's kind of nasaly, we talk- 2915.5315 2458 ROC_int_01 2915.5315 (pause 0.30) 2915.8282 2459 ROC_int_01 2915.8282 you know, uh, feel like they talk through their nose or- 2918.8594 2460 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2919.0343 [Mm-hm] 2919.4881 2461 ROC_int_01 2919.3983 And] so I was just seeing if you had any perspective [about-] 2922.0382 2462 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2921.6797 [Yeah], 2922.0248 2463 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2922.1828 yeah. 2922.5113 2464 ROC_int_01 2922.4760 Yeah. 2922.7467 2465 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2923.1216 Um, 2923.6558 2466 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2923.6558 (pause 1.65) 2925.3057 2467 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2925.3057 you know, there might be a little- 2926.7579 2468 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2926.7579 (pause 0.12) 2926.8761 2469 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2926.8761 little something to that but 2928.3416 2470 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2928.3416 (pause 0.28) 2928.6252 2471 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2928.6252 w- one thing is is that 2930.3413 2472 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2930.3413 (pause 1.39) 2931.7274 2473 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2931.7274 2931.8239 2474 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2931.8239 (pause 0.34) 2932.1661 2475 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2932.1661 for African Americans, uh, 2934.0993 2476 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2934.0993 (pause 0.07) 2934.1720 2477 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2934.1720 the- there wasn't that really mixing 2936.5871 2478 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2936.5871 (pause 0.22) 2936.8046 2479 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2936.8046 of, uh, 2937.5326 2480 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2937.5326 (pause 0.70) 2938.2331 2481 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2938.2331 uh, the races in the fifty and sixty, even though we were in the neighborhoods and stuff like that, there still wasn't that, 2943.5137 2482 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2943.5137 (pause 0.60) 2944.1149 2483 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2944.1149 you know. 2944.4884 2484 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2944.4884 (pause 0.49) 2944.9801 2485 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2944.9801 Folks sort of looked down 2946.2659 2486 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2946.2659 (pause 0.47) 2946.7387 2487 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2946.7387 each other, they sort of 2947.9442 2488 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2947.9442 (pause 0.92) 2948.8653 2489 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2948.8653 kept to themselves and stuff like that, and as whites moved out 2952.0457 2490 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2952.0457 (pause 0.65) 2952.6989 2491 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2952.6989 and blacks moved in, 2954.0226 2492 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2954.0226 (pause 0.78) 2954.8026 2493 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2954.8026 uh, you know, your folks would challenge you, 2957.3035 2494 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2957.3035 (pause 0.32) 2957.6195 2495 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2957.6195 I don't wanna s- ever hear you speaking like that. 2959.9990 2496 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2959.9990 (pause 0.86) 2960.8594 2497 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2960.8594 You know, so. 2961.8711 2498 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2961.8711 (pause 0.96) 2962.8355 2499 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2962.8355 Uh, 2963.4500 2500 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2963.4500 (pause 0.91) 2964.3585 2501 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2964.3585 but in terms of, uh, 2965.6728 2502 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2965.6728 (pause 0.66) 2966.3346 2503 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2966.3346 uh, 2967.1714 2504 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2967.1714 (pause 0.52) 2967.6914 2505 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2967.6914 the dominant society and, uh, their dialect or something like that, 2971.4998 2506 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2971.4998 (pause 0.24) 2971.7409 2507 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2971.7409 I just never picked that up. 2972.9748 2508 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2972.9748 (pause 1.53) 2974.5073 2509 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2974.5073 I just never, 2975.3157 2510 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2975.3157 (pause 0.15) 2975.4670 2511 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2975.4670 you know. 2975.8783 2512 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2975.8783 (pause 0.83) 2976.7056 2513 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2976.7056 So we 2977.3249 2514 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2977.3249 (pause 0.26) 2977.5802 2515 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2977.5802 sort of have to see that. I mean, 2979.0646 2516 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2979.0646 (pause 0.31) 2979.3766 2517 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2979.3766 I guess in your study of it there's- 2981.0683 2518 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2981.0683 (pause 0.46) 2981.5237 2519 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2981.5237 the- the- there may be some keys and some things to 2984.3555 2520 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2984.3555 (pause 0.32) 2984.6722 2521 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2984.6722 basically look at, 2985.7690 2522 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2985.7690 (pause 0.58) 2986.3466 2523 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2986.3466 uh, in- in order to, 2988.1808 2524 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2988.1808 (pause 0.58) 2988.7623 2525 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2988.7623 um, 2989.5093 2526 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2989.5093 (pause 0.42) 2989.9253 2527 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2989.9253 detect 2990.6959 2528 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2990.6959 (pause 0.64) 2991.3341 2529 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2991.3341 or, you know, become aware of. But, uh, 2994.0863 2530 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2994.0863 (pause 0.70) 2994.7860 2531 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2994.7860 I think 2995.2682 2532 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2995.2682 (pause 0.20) 2995.4667 2533 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2995.4667 people are like this here. As they 2997.5752 2534 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2997.5752 (pause 1.24) 2998.8193 2535 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 2998.8193 go through their daily routines, 3000.7340 2536 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3000.7340 (pause 0.81) 3001.5471 2537 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3001.5471 uh, that's something that is so 3003.9912 2538 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3003.9912 (pause 0.81) 3004.8052 2539 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3004.8052 unconscious 3005.9492 2540 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3005.9492 (pause 1.10) 3007.0460 2541 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3007.0460 that, 3007.4384 2542 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3007.4384 (pause 0.84) 3008.2798 2543 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3008.2798 you know. 3008.7337 2544 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3008.7337 (pause 0.37) 3009.1072 2545 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3009.1072 I'm amazed that, uh, 3010.6444 2546 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3010.6444 (pause 0.21) 3010.8572 2547 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3010.8572 a lot of the 3011.5521 2548 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3011.5521 (pause 0.44) 3011.9965 2549 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3011.9965 actors and actress that, uh, 3013.8402 2550 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3013.8402 (pause 1.16) 3015.0031 2551 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3015.0031 you know, they're from England, when they come over here and they 3017.1219 2552 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3017.1219 (pause 0.22) 3017.3441 2553 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3017.3441 act in these movies and stuff like that, you 3019.7125 2554 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3019.7125 (pause 0.61) 3020.3271 2555 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3020.3271 never knew that they had the accent, you know. 3022.2748 2556 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3022.2748 (pause 0.30) 3022.5735 2557 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3022.5735 So, I mean, 3023.3015 2558 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3023.3015 (pause 0.20) 3023.5001 2559 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3023.5001 people sort of switch it up, but yeah. 3025.1783 2560 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3025.1783 (pause 0.78) 3025.9584 2561 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3025.9584 Uh, 3026.4264 2562 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3026.4264 (pause 0.81) 3027.2395 2563 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3027.2395 wherever you go 3028.3410 2564 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3028.3410 (pause 0.52) 3028.8572 2565 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3028.8572 you do pick up the accent. 3030.2612 2566 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3030.2612 (pause 0.39) 3030.6536 2567 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3030.6536 But there's- there was never one up here that 3032.9511 2568 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3032.9511 (pause 0.37) 3033.3246 2569 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3033.3246 I thought 3033.8541 2570 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3033.8541 (pause 0.32) 3034.1724 2571 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3034.1724 was picked up, 3034.9761 2572 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3034.9761 (pause 0.13) 3035.1014 2573 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3035.1014 you know. 3035.5410 2574 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3035.5410 (pause 0.51) 3036.0532 2575 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3036.0532 Downstate New York? Yes, 3037.7787 2576 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3037.7787 (pause 0.38) 3038.1617 2577 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3038.1617 without a doubt. 3039.0362 2578 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3039.0362 (pause 0.57) 3039.6035 2579 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3039.6035 You can go from borough to borough and it's much different. 3042.8238 2580 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3042.8238 (pause 0.60) 3043.4242 2581 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3043.4242 Queens they speak way different than the Bronx. The Bronx 3046.3079 2582 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3046.3079 (pause 0.58) 3046.8902 2583 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3046.8902 is a little bit more heavy 3048.2187 2584 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3048.2187 (pause 0.42) 3048.6394 2585 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3048.6394 laden and- 3049.4856 2586 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3049.4856 (pause 0.23) 3049.7173 2587 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3049.7173 and sort of longated, you know. 3051.4948 2588 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3051.4948 (pause 0.37) 3051.8691 2589 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3051.8691 Uh, 3052.5262 2590 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3052.5262 (pause 0.79) 3053.3204 2591 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3053.3204 Brooklyn has more of a- 3055.3296 2592 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3055.3296 (pause 1.26) 3056.5919 2593 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3056.5919 uh, you know, a rhythm to it and Manhattan, they're just- 3060.1572 2594 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3060.1572 (pause 0.63) 3060.7907 2595 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3060.7907 it's like their head is up in the clouds, you know. 3063.1489 2596 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3063.1489 (pause 0.09) 3063.2358 2597 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3063.2358 S- I don't know why it's like that 3064.7267 2598 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3064.7267 (pause 0.66) 3065.3838 2599 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3065.3838 but, 3065.7526 2600 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3065.7526 (pause 0.68) 3066.4286 2601 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3066.4286 you know, it's- it's just different. 3068.2874 2602 ROC_int_01 3069.0579 Mm-hm. 3069.5023 2603 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3069.5716 Automatically when friends come up 3071.5020 2604 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3071.5020 (pause 0.46) 3071.9653 2605 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3071.9653 or I know somebody, they say I'm from New York City, I say you from the Bronx. 3075.3416 2606 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3075.3416 (pause 0.84) 3076.1831 2607 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3076.1831 You almost can detect it, so 3078.1497 2608 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3078.1497 (pause 0.95) 3079.0960 2609 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3079.0960 it's- it's just not like that 3080.7317 2610 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3080.7317 (pause 0.19) 3080.9256 2611 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3080.9256 up here, and, um, 3082.5565 2612 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3082.5565 (pause 1.41) 3083.9667 2613 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3083.9667 3084.0043 2614 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3084.0043 (pause 0.23) 3084.2348 2615 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3084.2348 I never noticed it in Buffalo either, so, 3086.6561 2616 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3086.6561 (pause 0.82) 3087.4740 2617 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3087.4740 you know. 3087.9136 2618 ROC_int_01 3088.5613 Okay. 3089.0246 2619 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3089.1144 Yeah 3089.4220 2620 ROC_int_01 3089.7951 Um, 3090.3246 2621 ROC_int_01 3090.3246 (pause 0.26) 3090.5799 2622 ROC_int_01 3090.5799 so those are all the questions I have, but if you have any, 3093.8230 2623 ROC_int_01 3093.8230 (pause 0.13) 3093.9556 2624 ROC_int_01 3093.9556 uh, last few comments you wanna say 3096.3530 2625 ROC_int_01 3096.3530 (pause 0.35) 3096.7009 2626 ROC_int_01 3096.7009 you know, you're welcome to share 'em, about Rochester, 3098.9167 2627 ROC_int_01 3098.9167 (pause 0.11) 3099.0273 2628 ROC_int_01 3099.0273 um, in general. 3099.8399 2629 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3100.8430 Well, once again, you know I- I like Rochester. Uh, 3103.9631 2630 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3103.9631 (pause 0.15) 3104.1097 2631 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3104.1097 3104.8566 2632 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3104.8566 (pause 0.39) 3105.2490 2633 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3105.2490 I think we always have to have, 3106.7677 2634 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3106.7677 (pause 0.13) 3106.8954 2635 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3106.8954 uh, a place that, 3108.3226 2636 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3108.3226 (pause 0.68) 3109.0068 2637 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3109.0068 uh, we can say is home, 3110.5621 2638 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3110.5621 (pause 0.58) 3111.1444 2639 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3111.1444 you know, no matter where you go. 3112.8558 2640 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3112.8558 (pause 0.61) 3113.4656 2641 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3113.4656 Uh, /and then say/ well Rochester is home, you know. 3116.0279 2642 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3116.0279 (pause 0.62) 3116.6528 2643 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3116.6528 And, um, 3117.5699 2644 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3117.5699 (pause 0.39) 3117.9623 2645 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3117.9623 be fond of telling folks of, uh, 3120.2031 2646 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3120.2031 (pause 0.70) 3120.9028 2647 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3120.9028 uh, your childhood because, uh, it was a good childhood. 3124.0568 2648 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3124.0568 (pause 0.79) 3124.8510 2649 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3124.8510 So I think, uh, based upon 3127.5574 2650 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3127.5574 (pause 0.52) 3128.0760 2651 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3128.0760 who and what your family is, then that's what your town is. 3131.9005 2652 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3131.9005 (pause 0.81) 3132.7137 2653 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3132.7137 Uh, you might not like it so much if you didn't come from, 3135.8961 2654 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3135.8961 (pause 0.64) 3136.5343 2655 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3136.5343 uh, 3137.3474 2656 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3137.3474 (pause 1.06) 3138.4064 2657 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3138.4064 uh, the type of loving and caring, 3140.7323 2658 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3140.7323 (pause 0.54) 3141.2721 2659 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3141.2721 uh, family or environment. 3142.6808 2660 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3142.6808 (pause 0.52) 3143.1961 2661 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3143.1961 Uh, someone ask you about Rochester, I hate it. 3145.3519 2662 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3145.3519 (pause 0.76) 3146.1138 2663 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3146.1138 Because all of your 3147.1302 2664 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3147.1302 (pause 0.79) 3147.9245 2665 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3147.9245 circumstances and situation, 3149.9194 2666 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3149.9194 (pause 0.54) 3150.4631 2667 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3150.4631 uh, when you were young o- or whatever, it- it- it just brings up the pain about it. But 3154.8936 2668 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3154.8936 (pause 0.33) 3155.2245 2669 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3155.2245 I've got fond memories of coming up, uh, 3158.1745 2670 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3158.1745 (pause 0.80) 3158.9742 2671 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3158.9742 you know, playing, hanging out and, 3161.0496 2672 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3161.0496 (pause 0.54) 3161.5932 2673 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3161.5932 uh, exploring, uh, 3163.6450 2674 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3163.6450 (pause 0.44) 3164.0855 2675 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3164.0855 lot of places that we weren't supposed to go and things like that, when we were little we 3168.0376 2676 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3168.0376 (pause 0.33) 3168.3638 2677 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3168.3638 did it anyhow, 3169.4937 2678 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3169.4937 (pause 0.41) 3169.9058 2679 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3169.9058 uh, behind our parents' back, so. 3171.9434 2680 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3171.9434 (pause 0.46) 3172.4019 2681 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3172.4019 You know, it was a lot of adventure here in Rochester for me, so, 3175.2762 2682 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3175.2762 (pause 0.46) 3175.7395 2683 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3175.7395 you know, 3176.1555 2684 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3176.1555 (pause 0.39) 3176.5488 2685 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3176.5488 I'm sort of a proud Rochesterian. 3178.3310 2686 ROC_int_01 3178.9343 Yeah. 3179.1867 2687 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3179.1914 Yeah. 3179.5099 2688 ROC_int_01 3179.9147 Okay, [cool.] 3180.7846 2689 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3180.4726 [Mkay.] 3180.9548 2690 ROC_int_01 3181.2715 Um, 3181.8132 2691 ROC_int_01 3181.8132 (pause 0.17) 3181.9834 2692 ROC_int_01 3181.9834 I- I would like to ask at the end if you, uh, still consent to me 3185.9459 2693 ROC_int_01 3185.9459 (pause 0.35) 3186.2957 2694 ROC_int_01 3186.2957 using this interview? 3187.4587 2695 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3187.7801 Sure. 3188.2434 2696 ROC_int_01 3188.3311 Yeah, okay. 3188.9147 2697 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3189.0045 Yes, 3189.5057 2698 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3189.5057 (pause 0.13) 3189.6380 2699 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3189.6380 [without a doubt.] 3190.2620 2700 ROC_int_01 3189.7401 [Well], 3190.0561 2701 ROC_int_01 3190.5533 thank you, 3191.0462 2702 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3191.1052 [Okay, thank you.] 3191.8972 2703 ROC_int_01 3191.2021 [I appreciate] it. 3192.2469 2704 ROC_se0_ag3_m_01 3192.5840 I hope I've contributed. 3193.6583 2705 ROC_int_01 3193.7805 Yeah. 3194.1049