Line Spkr StTime Content EnTime 1 VLD_int_01 0.1721 So now, gonna ask you just a 1.8965 2 VLD_int_01 1.8965 (pause 0.17) 2.0625 3 VLD_int_01 2.0625 few questions. Um. [Can you] tell me a little bit about 5.2437 4 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3.9022 [Mm.] 4.1280 5 VLD_int_01 5.5356 kind of just your 6.3524 6 VLD_int_01 6.3524 (pause 2.39) 8.7379 7 VLD_int_01 8.7379 like the very first 10.0662 8 VLD_int_01 10.0662 (pause 0.14) 10.2056 9 VLD_int_01 10.2056 home and neighborhood that you remember. 11.9921 10 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 13.6384 Mm. I could remember 15.6706 11 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 15.6706 (pause 0.37) 16.0359 12 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 16.0359 my first home 17.3924 13 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 17.3924 (pause 1.34) 18.7292 14 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 18.7292 back in 19.2794 15 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 19.2794 (pause 0.13) 19.4099 16 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 19.4099 probably nineteen sixty. 21.3497 17 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 21.3497 (pause 0.17) 21.5222 18 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 21.5222 Three years old, and I can remember 23.9656 19 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 23.9656 (pause 0.86) 24.8295 20 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 24.8295 my brother was born in sixty-one. That's why I can remember. 27.4731 21 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 27.4731 (pause 0.09) 27.5617 22 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 27.5617 Nineteen Sixty. (laughing) Cause I can remember my mama was pregnant. 30.6550 23 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 30.6550 (pause 0.53) 31.1840 24 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 31.1840 And we lived on Dampier Street, which is uh, off of highway thirty-one. 35.4424 25 VLD_int_01 36.5877 Where it- mm-mm. 37.5529 26 VLD_int_01 37.5529 (pause 0.20) 37.7487 27 VLD_int_01 37.7487 37.8933 28 VLD_int_01 37.8933 (pause 0.09) 37.9819 29 VLD_int_01 37.9819 [So where's] that? 38.7046 30 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 38.0192 [That's.] 38.3969 31 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 39.1010 Near- going to the old airp- going to- toward airport. 42.3930 32 VLD_int_01 42.3930 By the airpo- okay. 42.9725 33 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 43.0937 Mm-hm. 43.5180 34 VLD_int_01 44.0076 Um, so tell me about the house. Was it a big house, little house? 46.9370 35 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 47.7996 There was probably like 48.9560 36 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 48.9560 (pause 0.40) 49.3524 37 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 49.3524 the traditional 50.6347 38 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 50.6347 (pause 0.34) 50.9704 39 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 50.9704 three m- 51.6035 40 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 51.6035 (pause 0.39) 51.9952 41 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 51.9952 what they called shotgun houses back then. 54.8398 42 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 54.8398 (pause 0.51) 55.3493 43 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 55.3493 About three rooms. 56.3891 44 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 56.3891 (pause 0.24) 56.6270 45 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 56.6270 [Mm-hm.] 56.9300 46 VLD_int_01 56.6270 [About] three rooms, [and it's] you, your mom. 58.8643 47 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 57.4747 [Mm.] 57.7545 48 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 59.2233 My brother, 59.9694 49 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 59.9694 (pause 0.12) 60.0906 50 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 60.0906 and my dad. 60.8549 51 VLD_int_01 61.4382 Said this is you- how many brothers do you have? 63.5163 52 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 64.2717 I 64.9245 53 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 64.9245 (pause 0.13) 65.0550 54 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 65.0550 had 65.3908 55 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 65.3908 (pause 0.14) 65.5353 56 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 65.5353 t- two brothers, 66.7290 57 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 66.7290 (pause 0.11) 66.8409 58 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 66.8409 and one sister. 67.7455 59 VLD_int_01 67.9880 Okay, so but this was- there was only 69.3624 60 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 69.6375 There [was only.] 70.3043 61 VLD_int_01 69.8707 [two of y'all] at the [time.] 70.9991 62 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 70.7706 [Right. Mm-hm.] 71.5726 63 VLD_int_01 71.4001 [Okay.] 71.7591 64 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 71.9643 [Mm-hm.] 72.2860 65 VLD_int_01 72.4073 Are you the oldest, or second? 73.4518 66 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 73.7549 Oldest. 74.3086 67 VLD_int_01 74.7562 Oh, so you're the big brother. 75.8007 68 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 75.8567 Mm-hm. 76.1924 69 VLD_int_01 76.2530 And so then, you guys moved here. Was- 78.1881 70 VLD_int_01 78.1881 (pause 0.12) 78.3094 71 VLD_int_01 78.3094 did you guys move to this place because it was bigger? Or. 81.1992 72 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 81.8473 Mm 82.2996 73 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 82.2996 (pause 0.17) 82.4675 74 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 82.4675 No, I think it was just 83.6472 75 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 83.6472 (pause 2.14) 85.7875 76 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 85.7875 availability, I guess, would be the 87.6935 77 VLD_int_01 88.2157 There you go. 88.6670 78 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 88.9664 right word to say, at the time. (laughing) 90.8316 79 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 90.8316 (pause 0.33) 91.1580 80 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 91.1580 And a- 91.4005 81 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 91.4005 (pause 0.14) 91.5357 82 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 91.5357 availability and affordability, [right, affordability.] 94.0415 83 VLD_int_01 93.0017 [Affordability.] That's [probably the-] 94.9414 84 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 94.4611 [Yeah.] 94.7083 85 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 95.1046 [Yeah.] 95.3704 86 VLD_int_01 95.1046 [the- the] 95.8460 87 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 95.6409 [Mm.] 95.8553 88 VLD_int_01 95.9393 the more appropriate word [there.] 97.3521 89 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 96.8371 [Ri-] 97.2264 90 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 97.4748 Mm-hm. 97.7998 91 VLD_int_01 97.9397 Um. 98.6717 92 VLD_int_01 98.6717 (pause 0.48) 99.1555 93 VLD_int_01 99.1555 And then, tell me about the neighborhood. Was it a good neighborhood? 101.8087 94 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 103.0584 Um. 103.6552 95 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 103.6552 (pause 0.42) 104.0796 96 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 104.0796 Yeah. 104.5272 97 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 104.5272 (pause 0.08) 104.6111 98 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 104.6111 Course, I mean, 105.3327 99 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 105.3327 (pause 0.31) 105.6451 100 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 105.6451 when I grew up in the s- 107.2492 101 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 107.2492 (pause 0.38) 107.6269 102 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 107.6269 sixties, I mean 108.8485 103 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 108.8485 (pause 0.79) 109.6366 104 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 109.6366 all neighborhoods was good because 111.2954 105 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 111.2954 (pause 0.76) 112.0508 106 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 112.0508 children were disciplined back then. [] 114.9558 107 VLD_int_01 113.8227 [] 114.0559 108 VLD_int_01 114.0559 (pause 0.52) 114.5781 109 VLD_int_01 114.5781 [It also] makes a [difference.] 116.1308 110 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 115.8557 [Yeah.] 116.1308 111 VLD_int_01 116.9457 Um. 117.6218 112 VLD_int_01 117.6218 (pause 0.69) 118.3166 113 VLD_int_01 118.3166 And so then, 119.2725 114 VLD_int_01 119.2725 (pause 0.89) 120.1631 115 VLD_int_01 120.1631 when you moved there, you were how old? 121.7345 116 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 122.4806 I was 123.0017 117 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 123.0017 (pause 0.14) 123.1462 118 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 123.1462 f- I'll say three. 124.7083 119 VLD_int_01 124.8109 Three? 125.1326 120 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 125.2725 Mm-hm. 125.5243 121 VLD_int_01 125.5523 And then, how long did y'all stay in that house? 127.0630 122 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 127.5666 We stayed there probably 129.4679 123 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 129.4679 (pause 1.19) 130.6616 124 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 130.6616 130.9134 125 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 130.9134 (pause 0.14) 131.0533 126 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 131.0533 until I was about 131.9346 127 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 131.9346 (pause 1.56) 133.4920 128 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 133.4920 six maybe. 135.1042 129 VLD_int_01 135.5332 And then where'd y'all go? 136.2466 130 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 137.2025 We moved to 138.4009 131 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 138.4009 (pause 0.62) 139.0257 132 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 139.0257 uh, 139.5480 133 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 139.5480 (pause 0.79) 140.3407 134 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 140.3407 Twin li- 140.8618 135 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 140.8618 (pause 0.23) 141.0949 136 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 141.0949 Twin Lakes. 141.8923 137 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 141.8923 (pause 0.20) 142.0928 138 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 142.0928 Cause we lived with my grandmother for a while. 144.0046 139 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 144.0046 (pause 0.23) 144.2330 140 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 144.2330 My mom. 144.6620 141 VLD_int_01 145.2169 So, 146.3966 142 VLD_int_01 146.3966 (pause 0.08) 146.4759 143 VLD_int_01 146.4759 out by 147.0017 144 VLD_int_01 147.0017 (pause 0.23) 147.2301 145 VLD_int_01 147.2301 Clyattville? 147.9855 146 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 148.0508 Right. [Mm-hm.] 148.8668 147 VLD_int_01 148.4705 [Okay.] 148.8668 148 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 149.0254 No, out by 149.9393 149 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 149.9393 (pause 0.95) 150.8905 150 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 150.8905 Twin Lakes is before you get to Lake Park. 153.0809 151 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 153.0809 (pause 0.19) 153.2721 152 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 153.2721 [On.] 153.5006 153 VLD_int_01 153.2721 [The] other. Oh, I'm going the other [way. Okay.] 154.8861 154 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 154.2700 [Yeah.] 154.5824 155 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 154.5824 (pause 0.21) 154.7875 156 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 154.7875 [Mm.] 155.0673 157 VLD_int_01 155.0567 [So you was] that way. 155.8087 158 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 155.2305 [Yeah.] 155.5010 159 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 155.9113 Forty one south. 156.8346 160 VLD_int_01 156.8346 Mm-hm. 157.2635 161 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 157.2635 Mm-hm. 157.7578 162 VLD_int_01 157.9350 Um, and how long'd y'all stay there? 159.3607 163 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 160.2933 We stayed there at her house probably about 162.2657 164 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 162.2657 (pause 0.25) 162.5175 165 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 162.5175 162.6714 166 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 162.6714 (pause 0.22) 162.8905 167 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 162.8905 s- 163.8557 168 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 163.8557 (pause 0.28) 164.1402 169 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 164.1402 I say eight. 165.4913 170 VLD_int_01 165.9855 And then where'd y'all 166.7129 171 VLD_int_01 166.7129 (pause 0.35) 167.0673 172 VLD_int_01 167.0673 move to? 167.6502 173 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 167.8227 We moved um, 169.0024 174 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 169.0024 (pause 0.25) 169.2542 175 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 169.2542 um, 169.9770 176 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 169.9770 (pause 1.92) 171.8969 177 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 171.8969 172.0042 178 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 172.0042 (pause 0.89) 172.8901 179 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 172.8901 /unintelligible/ 174.0745 180 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 174.0745 (pause 0.16) 174.2330 181 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 174.2330 It's in Little Miami. 175.3055 182 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 175.3055 (pause 0.14) 175.4454 183 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 175.4454 Donald- Donald street. 176.9662 184 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 176.9662 (pause 1.87) 178.8385 185 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 178.8385 Donald Street is off of Statenville. 180.7689 186 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 180.7689 (pause 0.32) 181.0907 187 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 181.0907 You know Statenville Hi- 182.1864 188 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 182.1864 (pause 0.13) 182.3123 189 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 182.3123 Road [is?] 183.0164 190 VLD_int_01 182.9138 [Mm-hm.] 183.2449 191 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 183.7019 It's the street adjacent to Statenville Road. If you going down Statenville Road before you get to uh, 188.7693 192 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 188.7693 (pause 0.52) 189.2873 193 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 189.2873 the interstate /??/, there's a little street to the right. 191.8537 194 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 191.8537 (pause 0.60) 192.4553 195 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 192.4553 It's called Donald Street. 193.7702 196 VLD_int_01 193.8355 And why was that called Little Miami? 195.2530 197 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 195.9606 Cause most of the 196.8792 198 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 196.8792 (pause 0.17) 197.0471 199 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 197.0471 uh, 197.3268 200 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 197.3268 (pause 0.09) 197.4154 201 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 197.4154 people that 198.0216 202 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 198.0216 (pause 0.15) 198.1708 203 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 198.1708 lived in that neighborhood during the um, 200.1852 204 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 200.1852 (pause 0.38) 200.5675 205 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 200.5675 sixties, a lot of 'em 201.8487 206 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 201.8487 (pause 0.65) 202.5015 207 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 202.5015 went south when it was fruit season. 205.0195 208 VLD_int_01 205.9008 Oh. 206.1759 209 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 206.3197 And, uh, they would go there 207.6715 210 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 207.6715 (pause 0.28) 207.9513 211 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 207.9513 for the fruit season and um, 209.3781 212 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 209.3781 (pause 0.11) 209.4900 213 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 209.4900 pick fruits. 210.3340 214 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 210.3340 (pause 0.53) 210.8656 215 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 210.8656 So that's why it became the name Little Miami, because of a lot of 213.7688 216 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 213.7688 (pause 0.79) 214.5575 217 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 214.5575 [people would /?/-] 215.2888 218 VLD_int_01 214.8559 [Was it a lot] of kids in the neighborhood? 216.2408 219 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 216.7117 Yeah, a lot of kids. 217.8774 220 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 217.8774 (pause 0.23) 218.1059 221 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 218.1059 [Mm-hm.] 218.4370 222 VLD_int_01 218.2178 [So,] 218.8054 223 VLD_int_01 218.9033 were you- did you play outside a lot? Did you. 221.0331 224 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 221.2522 Yeah, uh. 221.6765 225 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 221.6765 (pause 0.23) 221.9050 226 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 221.9050 That's the only time you could play. You never played in the house. 224.4836 227 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 224.4836 (pause 0.29) 224.7774 228 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 224.7774 [] 225.8767 229 VLD_int_01 224.9161 [] 225.8767 230 VLD_int_01 226.5575 So, what'd y'all do while y'all were outside? Like what games did y'all play? 229.4438 231 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 229.8868 Just uh, you- 231.3370 232 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 231.3370 (pause 0.12) 231.4600 233 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 231.4600 the boys would wrestle, 233.2692 234 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 233.2692 (pause 0.24) 233.5116 235 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 233.5116 uh, if you did a combination of boys and girls, you would 236.5285 236 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 236.5285 (pause 0.12) 236.6498 237 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 236.6498 play uh, like 237.6336 238 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 237.6336 (pause 0.10) 237.7316 239 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 237.7316 hide and go seek. 238.9428 240 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 238.9428 (pause 0.61) 239.5536 241 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 239.5536 Or the 239.8893 242 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 239.8893 (pause 0.57) 240.4629 243 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 240.4629 guys would shoot marbles. 242.0576 244 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 242.0576 (pause 0.10) 242.1555 245 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 242.1555 Or you would um, 243.2653 246 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 243.2653 (pause 0.41) 243.6803 247 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 243.6803 243.7642 248 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 243.7642 (pause 0.14) 243.9076 249 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 243.9076 create little, um, 245.3298 250 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 245.3298 (pause 0.40) 245.7308 251 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 245.7308 sticks like cowboy and Indian [games, or.] 248.3933 252 VLD_int_01 247.5120 [Mm-hm. Mm-hm.] 248.3933 253 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 248.7897 You would play, um 250.0475 254 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 250.0475 (pause 0.48) 250.5278 255 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 250.5278 250.6490 256 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 250.6490 (pause 0.82) 251.4697 257 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 251.4697 even boys jump rope 252.9711 258 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 252.9711 (pause 0.41) 253.3768 259 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 253.3768 competition with the girls. Or you play 255.4798 260 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 255.4798 (pause 0.42) 255.9029 261 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 255.9029 or you can hopscotch, you know, with the little glass, and you draw your little squares out and you just toss the glass and 261.2256 262 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 261.2256 (pause 0.49) 261.7141 263 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 261.7141 play hopscotch and just 263.1409 264 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 263.1409 (pause 0.49) 263.6305 265 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 263.6305 if you was 264.2693 266 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 264.2693 (pause 0.38) 264.6517 267 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 264.6517 if you had a 265.2812 268 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 265.2812 (pause 0.11) 265.3884 269 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 265.3884 few dollars uh, a 266.1345 270 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 266.1345 (pause 0.15) 266.2884 271 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 266.2884 few s- 266.6334 272 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 266.6334 (pause 0.14) 266.7780 273 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 266.7780 few pennies. 267.5648 274 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 267.5648 (pause 0.35) 267.9192 275 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 267.9192 You would get you some jackstone. 269.5373 276 VLD_int_01 269.7378 [] 271.1506 277 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 269.9756 [You know. (laughing)] 270.8569 278 VLD_int_01 271.9806 Did you jump rope? 272.6381 279 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 273.2070 Yeah. 273.4949 280 VLD_int_01 273.7560 Were you good? 274.3575 281 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 274.7912 I was decent, yeah. 275.9103 282 VLD_int_01 277.6356 So, that means you weren't that great. 278.7407 283 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 279.6348 I m- I co- 280.2083 284 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 280.2083 (pause 0.20) 280.4042 285 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 280.4042 they would choose me to play, so [I guess I. ] 283.7754 286 VLD_int_01 281.9802 [Oh, okay. So you were alright, you were great.] 283.7754 287 VLD_int_01 284.3863 So, then, okay, so tell me about your siblings. 286.3529 288 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 287.2155 287.3507 289 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 287.3507 (pause 0.72) 288.0688 290 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 288.0688 My, uh, brother that's next to- 290.4469 291 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 290.4469 (pause 0.43) 290.8759 292 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 290.8759 next to me, 291.6954 293 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 291.6954 (pause 0.14) 291.8353 294 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 291.8353 uh, he's four years 293.2295 295 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 293.2295 (pause 0.40) 293.6305 296 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 293.6305 younger 293.9709 297 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 293.9709 (pause 0.28) 294.2507 298 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 294.2507 four years younger than me. 295.3325 299 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 295.3325 (pause 0.74) 296.0692 300 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 296.0692 And I have a 296.4469 301 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 296.4469 (pause 0.07) 296.5168 302 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 296.5168 I have a sister that's um, 298.0591 303 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 298.0591 (pause 1.10) 299.1549 304 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 299.1549 two years 299.8853 305 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 299.8853 (pause 0.20) 300.0812 306 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 300.0812 younger than me. But, my sister was 301.6852 307 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 301.6852 (pause 0.12) 301.8018 308 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 301.8018 raised by my grandmother. By her grandmother. 304.1192 309 VLD_int_01 304.1192 Okay. 304.4456 310 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 304.4876 Okay. 305.0087 311 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 305.0087 (pause 0.90) 305.9133 312 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 305.9133 Uh, and I have a baby brother who's seven years 308.5712 313 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 308.5712 (pause 0.39) 308.9628 314 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 308.9628 younger than I am. 309.9654 315 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 309.9654 (pause 0.83) 310.7907 316 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 310.7907 Um. 311.3351 317 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 311.3351 (pause 0.27) 311.6056 318 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 311.6056 My youngest brother, he- 312.8226 319 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 312.8226 (pause 0.63) 313.4567 320 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 313.4567 he's um 314.3054 321 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 314.3054 (pause 0.53) 314.8369 322 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 314.8369 314.9302 323 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 314.9302 (pause 0.13) 315.0608 324 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 315.0608 he lives now in, Augusta. 316.9481 325 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 316.9481 (pause 0.17) 317.1206 326 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 317.1206 He retired military out the Air Force about 319.7551 327 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 319.7551 (pause 0.16) 319.9184 328 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 319.9184 twenty eight years I think. 321.1354 329 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 321.1354 (pause 0.08) 321.2193 330 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 321.2193 Now he works for the government. 322.6088 331 VLD_int_01 324.2723 And so, all of y'all played together even though with the age difference? Or did. 327.8162 332 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 328.1612 Yeah, for s- the kids, no, you- 329.9599 333 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 329.9599 (pause 0.30) 330.2630 334 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 330.2630 I mean, kids played 331.3308 335 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 331.3308 (pause 0.14) 331.4754 336 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 331.4754 uh, in segments, you know, like you had 333.4245 337 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 333.4245 (pause 0.73) 334.1565 338 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 334.1565 uh, 334.5202 339 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 334.5202 (pause 1.10) 335.6195 340 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 335.6195 uh, 335.9926 341 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 335.9926 (pause 0.12) 336.1091 342 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 336.1091 uh, I just take a range from like ten and under, like you have a ten year old, 339.8628 343 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 339.8628 (pause 0.50) 340.3664 344 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 340.3664 you gonna play with the eight to ten, and then you have the, younger. Kids mostly just 344.2774 345 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 344.2774 (pause 0.64) 344.9209 346 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 344.9209 pl- they had- back then, you had 346.3058 347 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 346.3058 (pause 0.70) 347.0040 348 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 347.0040 the families that would always 348.6267 349 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 348.6267 (pause 0.40) 349.0277 350 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 349.0277 ha- all families had a lot of kids pretty much. Any where from 352.1565 351 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 352.1565 (pause 0.72) 352.8781 352 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 352.8781 least three to four. 353.7967 353 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 353.7967 (pause 0.22) 354.0159 354 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 354.0159 unlike today where you might have one or two. 356.1328 355 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 356.1328 (pause 0.41) 356.5385 356 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 356.5385 So, there was always kids around. And they- mostly kids just play. Teenagers play with teenagers and 361.6059 357 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 361.6059 (pause 0.94) 362.5432 358 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 362.5432 children ten and under played among themselves. 364.8405 359 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 364.8405 (pause 0.29) 365.1343 360 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 365.1343 [Mm-hm.] 365.4234 361 VLD_int_01 365.3395 [So,] let's talk about school then. 367.5450 362 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 367.6196 Mm-hm. 368.0999 363 VLD_int_01 368.2025 Um, because since you knew a lot of kids in that group, which school did you go to when you were younger? 372.3140 364 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 373.8714 I originally 374.7993 365 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 374.7993 (pause 0.29) 375.0873 366 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 375.0873 um, 375.6562 367 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 375.6562 (pause 0.41) 376.0712 368 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 376.0712 I started out going to 377.1996 369 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 377.1996 (pause 0.69) 377.8850 370 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 377.8850 to county's 378.6124 371 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 378.6124 (pause 0.28) 378.8876 372 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 378.8876 going to um, 379.8947 373 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 379.8947 (pause 0.70) 380.5913 374 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 380.5913 380.7032 375 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 380.7032 (pause 0.14) 380.8437 376 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 380.8437 county school when I was [five years old.] 382.8336 377 VLD_int_01 381.8590 [So sorry.] 382.8336 378 VLD_int_01 383.2579 [Sorry] that that [happened to] you. 384.4423 379 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 383.2766 [Yeah.] 383.5657 380 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 383.5657 (pause 0.40) 383.9620 381 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 383.9620 [Yeah.] 384.2324 382 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 384.5262 384.7547 383 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 384.7547 (pause 0.46) 385.2163 384 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 385.2163 I was going to county school when I was a 386.9649 385 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 386.9649 (pause 0.29) 387.2587 386 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 387.2587 like five year old. 388.3160 387 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 388.3160 (pause 0.52) 388.8336 388 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 388.8336 So, they would let me- they would let me go to 390.5262 389 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 390.5262 (pause 0.49) 391.0205 390 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 391.0205 to scho- county school. 392.3074 391 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 392.3074 (pause 0.69) 392.9929 392 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 392.9929 And then we m- 393.6259 393 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 393.6259 (pause 0.07) 393.7005 394 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 393.7005 um. 394.2461 395 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 394.2461 (pause 0.28) 394.5212 396 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 394.5212 394.6191 397 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 394.6191 (pause 0.35) 394.9688 398 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 394.9688 Transitioned back 395.8268 399 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 395.8268 (pause 0.21) 396.0366 400 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 396.0366 to the city, 396.8526 401 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 396.8526 (pause 0.88) 397.7339 402 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 397.7339 I couldn't go to 398.4613 403 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 398.4613 (pause 0.11) 398.5686 404 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 398.5686 um, 399.1747 405 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 399.1747 (pause 0.70) 399.8777 406 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 399.8777 in 400.1668 407 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 400.1668 (pause 0.07) 400.2367 408 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 400.2367 for a- 400.5491 409 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 400.5491 (pause 0.21) 400.7636 410 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 400.7636 I had to sit out a year. 402.0180 411 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 402.0180 (pause 0.99) 403.0065 412 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 403.0065 So, I couldn't go to 403.9344 413 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 403.9344 (pause 0.26) 404.1909 414 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 404.1909 first grade and I end up 405.3554 415 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 405.3554 (pause 0.68) 406.0316 416 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 406.0316 I went 406.4559 417 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 406.4559 (pause 1.71) 408.1672 418 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 408.1672 when I was five, I was able to go to 409.8225 419 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 409.8225 (pause 0.55) 410.3681 420 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 410.3681 I was is the first grade. 411.4440 421 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 411.4440 (pause 0.08) 411.5233 422 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 411.5233 But then, when I come to the city, they wouldn't let me [go to the (laughing)] 414.2511 423 VLD_int_01 413.6403 [To the first grade. Mm-hm.] 414.9925 424 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 414.5962 [Right.] So, I was uh, even though I could do the 416.3960 425 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 416.5079 class work, 417.2120 426 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 417.2120 (pause 0.11) 417.3240 427 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 417.3240 they say by definition, in city school, you had to be six. 420.2651 428 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 420.2651 (pause 0.51) 420.7780 429 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 420.7780 So, I went to 421.5567 430 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 421.5567 (pause 0.23) 421.7899 431 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 421.7899 I stayed, I- 423.0209 432 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 423.0209 (pause 0.56) 423.5839 433 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 423.5839 end up staying in 424.6191 434 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 424.6191 (pause 0.15) 424.7683 435 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 424.7683 the first grade 425.6169 436 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 425.6169 (pause 0.45) 426.0646 437 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 426.0646 for a year. 426.5542 438 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 426.5542 (pause 0.46) 427.0158 439 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 427.0158 When I really should have been in the second by definition. 429.5771 440 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 429.5771 (pause 0.10) 429.6796 441 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 429.6796 Yeah. 429.9687 442 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 429.9687 (pause 0.12) 430.0900 443 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 430.0900 [Mm-hm.] 430.4071 444 VLD_int_01 430.3325 [So] which school was- which- when you came back to the city, where did [you.] 433.3575 445 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 433.1990 [I] went to school at um, 434.7611 446 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 434.8450 South 435.4092 447 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 435.4092 (pause 0.23) 435.6377 448 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 435.6377 uh, South Street Elementary School. 437.8934 449 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 437.8934 (pause 0.08) 437.9773 450 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 437.9773 Which is on uh, 438.9472 451 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 438.9472 (pause 0.08) 439.0265 452 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 439.0265 South Street. On the 440.4440 453 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 440.4440 (pause 0.08) 440.5279 454 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 440.5279 uh, south side of town. That was the only 443.2091 455 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 443.2091 (pause 0.74) 443.9540 456 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 443.9540 elementary school 445.1943 457 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 445.1943 (pause 0.76) 445.9544 458 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 445.9544 in d- 446.4347 459 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 446.4347 (pause 0.22) 446.6585 460 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 446.6585 Valdosta. 447.2693 461 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 447.2693 (pause 0.16) 447.4325 462 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 447.4325 On the south side of town. 448.7848 463 VLD_int_01 449.3490 Okay. 449.8048 464 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 449.9633 [Mm.] 450.1592 465 VLD_int_01 450.0845 [And] then, 450.8772 466 VLD_int_01 450.9892 um, how was it? How was school? 452.8263 467 VLD_int_01 452.8263 (pause 0.10) 452.9243 468 VLD_int_01 452.9243 How- was it 453.5537 469 VLD_int_01 453.5537 (pause 0.13) 453.6843 470 VLD_int_01 453.6843 good? Did you feel like you were getting a good education? 455.7114 471 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 456.0518 Uh, f- 456.5973 472 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 456.5973 (pause 0.61) 457.2035 473 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 457.2035 Yeah. 457.5206 474 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 457.5206 (pause 0.15) 457.6698 475 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 457.6698 I did cause I- I mean ks- cause my education started at home. 460.7695 476 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 460.7695 (pause 1.02) 461.7907 477 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 461.7907 My mom home- 462.6253 478 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 462.6253 (pause 0.15) 462.7792 479 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 462.7792 well sh- 463.0496 480 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 463.0496 (pause 0.62) 463.6651 481 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 463.6651 back then she didn't 464.5791 482 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 464.5791 (pause 0.20) 464.7796 483 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 464.7796 we didn't call it home school. 466.1027 484 VLD_int_01 466.1027 Right. 466.3778 485 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 466.8721 But, I was- 467.4223 486 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 467.4223 (pause 0.57) 467.9912 487 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 467.9912 before I was um, 469.1615 488 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 469.1615 (pause 0.83) 469.9962 489 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 469.9962 even started going to school, my mama would sit down with me and 472.7876 490 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 472.7876 (pause 0.25) 473.0394 491 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 473.0394 would go with different 474.0186 492 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 474.0186 (pause 0.26) 474.2751 493 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 474.2751 I was mandated to have to read. 475.8605 494 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 475.8605 (pause 0.69) 476.5506 495 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 476.5506 And I would have to um, 478.0707 496 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 478.0707 (pause 1.16) 479.2306 497 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 479.2306 explain to her what I read, 480.8393 498 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 480.8393 (pause 0.11) 480.9512 499 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 480.9512 uh, 481.3895 500 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 481.3895 (pause 0.22) 481.6133 501 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 481.6133 and every morning when I wou- 482.6905 502 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 482.6905 (pause 0.12) 482.8117 503 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 482.8117 went to start going to school 484.2758 504 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 484.2758 (pause 0.74) 485.0161 505 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 485.0161 before I went to school every morning, my mama would go 487.3382 506 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 487.3382 (pause 0.55) 487.8838 507 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 487.8838 over my school work with me. 489.3358 508 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 489.3358 (pause 0.07) 489.4011 509 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 489.4011 Every subject. 490.1937 510 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 490.1937 (pause 1.33) 491.5227 511 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 491.5227 Then, bef- 492.0904 512 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 492.0904 (pause 0.14) 492.2349 513 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 492.2349 when I came home from school, 493.5406 514 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 493.5406 (pause 0.21) 493.7504 515 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 493.7504 my mom would sit down with me before I was even allowed to go outside to play, I had to go over all my subjects again. 499.1347 516 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 499.1347 (pause 0.10) 499.2328 517 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 499.2328 So, 499.5499 518 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 499.5499 (pause 0.52) 500.0675 519 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 500.0675 I 500.3845 520 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 500.3845 (pause 0.41) 500.7949 521 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 500.7949 we- 500.9861 522 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 500.9861 (pause 0.08) 501.0700 523 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 501.0700 from my mom's standpoint, I had a 502.7486 524 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 502.7486 (pause 0.14) 502.8932 525 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 502.8932 uh, 503.0937 526 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 503.0937 (pause 0.08) 503.1776 527 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 503.1776 great opportunity. 504.3049 528 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 504.3049 (pause 0.07) 504.3748 529 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 504.3748 You know, [for schooling.] 505.4053 530 VLD_int_01 504.5613 [Right] 504.7199 531 VLD_int_01 504.7199 (pause 0.13) 504.8455 532 VLD_int_01 504.8455 [Cause she] really 505.6665 533 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 505.7504 [Yeah. She.] 506.3332 534 VLD_int_01 505.8483 [helped.] 506.0908 535 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 506.5990 That was her m- 507.1632 536 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 507.1632 (pause 0.57) 507.7368 537 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 507.7368 that was one of the things that she promoted. 509.5833 538 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 509.5833 (pause 0.59) 510.1697 539 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 510.1697 S- school. 510.8598 540 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 510.8598 (pause 0.25) 511.1069 541 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 511.1069 I mean, that, 511.5033 542 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 511.5033 (pause 0.13) 511.6292 543 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 511.6292 school before anything. 513.0140 544 VLD_int_01 513.2658 So, you went to South Street, then where'd you go? So, how 515.5861 545 VLD_int_01 515.5861 (pause 0.15) 515.7354 546 VLD_int_01 515.7354 how long- how [many grades was that?] 517.7218 547 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 516.8171 [I went from.] 517.4700 548 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 517.8756 I went f- um, to the fifth grade. 519.8434 549 VLD_int_01 520.0579 [Okay.] 520.4356 550 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 520.2257 [And] in the sixth grade, 521.3204 551 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 521.5676 I went to um, 522.7141 552 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 522.7141 (pause 0.22) 522.9333 553 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 522.9333 they built a new 523.7265 554 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 523.7265 (pause 0.12) 523.8431 555 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 523.8431 school on the 524.7291 556 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 524.7291 (pause 0.23) 524.9622 557 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 524.9622 the south s- 525.6343 558 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 525.6343 (pause 0.31) 525.9420 559 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 525.9420 south side of town, which is called South East Elementary School. 529.2940 560 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 529.2940 (pause 1.27) 530.5673 561 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 530.5673 They built that school in ni- nineteen sixty nine, I think it was. 534.4457 562 VLD_int_01 534.4737 So, you went there? 535.1592 563 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 535.2757 I went there for my sixth grade year. 537.5153 564 VLD_int_01 538.3313 And then? 538.9515 565 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 538.9515 Then I went 539.8829 566 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 539.9995 my seventh grade year, I started at 542.2301 567 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 542.2301 (pause 0.54) 542.7710 568 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 542.7710 Valosta M- 543.3259 569 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 543.3259 (pause 0.14) 543.4658 570 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 543.4658 um, Junior High, they called it then, but now they call it Valdosta Middle School. And that's when the integration started. 548.6684 571 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 548.6684 (pause 0.28) 548.9435 572 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 548.9435 When I was in the seventh grade. 550.6828 573 VLD_int_01 551.1537 Did it s- 551.6294 574 VLD_int_01 551.6294 (pause 0.16) 551.7868 575 VLD_int_01 551.7868 so. 552.3043 576 VLD_int_01 552.3043 (pause 1.53) 553.8384 577 VLD_int_01 553.8384 Okay. 554.2394 578 VLD_int_01 554.2394 (pause 1.03) 555.2699 579 VLD_int_01 555.2699 So, what- what happened whe- at that time? 556.8693 580 VLD_int_01 556.8693 (pause 0.38) 557.2517 581 VLD_int_01 557.2517 The integration? 557.9837 582 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 558.3556 That's when, uh, 559.1157 583 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 559.1157 (pause 0.81) 559.9224 584 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 559.9224 um, 560.3700 585 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 560.3700 (pause 0.97) 561.3399 586 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 561.3399 black and white 562.0762 587 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 562.0762 (pause 0.53) 562.6077 588 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 562.6077 start, they integrated the Valdosta City School system, where blacks and whites was going to the same school. 567.6672 589 VLD_int_01 567.9144 Was it. 568.3434 590 VLD_int_01 568.3434 (pause 1.03) 569.3692 591 VLD_int_01 569.3692 How was it? 569.9545 592 VLD_int_01 569.9545 (pause 0.55) 570.5000 593 VLD_int_01 570.5000 I mean, did you 571.2321 594 VLD_int_01 571.2321 (pause 0.14) 571.3673 595 VLD_int_01 571.3673 notice anything? As like- I mean you were still like 573.2278 596 VLD_int_01 573.2278 (pause 0.21) 573.4330 597 VLD_int_01 573.4330 relatively young, but [like.] 574.4682 598 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 574.2537 [I] was eleven years old. 575.5360 599 VLD_int_01 575.6852 So you were old enough to understand. Did it- 577.4559 600 VLD_int_01 577.4559 (pause 0.41) 577.8663 601 VLD_int_01 577.8663 was there any feelings? Like, was it 579.3124 602 VLD_int_01 579.3124 (pause 0.22) 579.5362 603 VLD_int_01 579.5362 tension? 580.1622 604 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 580.5865 Well, I mean sometimes it was like 582.3666 605 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 582.3666 (pause 0.32) 582.6837 606 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 582.6837 tension, because it was like 583.9380 607 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 583.9380 (pause 0.21) 584.1525 608 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 584.1525 cultures. You know, you don't really know another person culture until you really 587.4352 609 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 587.4352 (pause 0.71) 588.1428 610 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 588.1428 understand they culture, or try to understand it, you know, it's always confusion, you know. 592.1296 611 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 592.1296 (pause 0.09) 592.2181 612 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 592.2181 But, uh, 592.6425 613 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 592.6425 (pause 0.34) 592.9829 614 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 592.9829 by most part, I mean it was 594.4225 615 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 594.4225 (pause 0.14) 594.5624 616 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 594.5624 it was civil, you know. 595.8121 617 VLD_int_01 596.5302 How um, 597.6586 618 VLD_int_01 597.6586 (pause 0.64) 598.2974 619 VLD_int_01 598.2974 how were the 599.7196 620 VLD_int_01 599.7196 (pause 1.54) 601.2572 621 VLD_int_01 601.2572 wait. Wait. Let me back up. So, this was the first time, so when you went to South Street and South East, 605.8946 622 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 605.8946 It [was all] 606.4401 623 VLD_int_01 606.1697 [that was] all black? 606.9852 624 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 606.9852 black. 607.2510 625 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 607.3396 Right. Mm-hm. 607.8758 626 VLD_int_01 607.8758 And then, when you go to junior high, 610.5284 627 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 610.6403 Mm-hm. 610.9527 628 VLD_int_01 610.9527 that's when 611.6148 629 VLD_int_01 611.6148 (pause 0.75) 612.3656 630 VLD_int_01 612.3656 that's when they integrated the school, so then [there were] white students? 614.9310 631 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 613.7792 [Right.] 614.0916 632 VLD_int_01 615.2527 Did you find that the quality of the school was different? 618.1398 633 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 619.7033 [Mm.] 620.4680 634 VLD_int_01 619.7033 [But, the materials] the access that you had to things. Was it better now that y'all were integrated? Or was it 624.4405 635 VLD_int_01 624.5626 about the same? 625.2582 636 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 625.4169 625.5206 637 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 625.5206 (pause 1.86) 627.3826 638 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 627.3826 Be honest with you, 628.3895 639 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 628.3895 (pause 0.47) 628.8594 640 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 628.8594 I couldn't tell a difference. Cause a- again, [uh (laughing)], my impact was 632.9994 641 VLD_int_01 630.9265 [Hm.] 631.2865 642 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 633.3228 [I think-] was home. [You know.] So. 635.2432 643 VLD_int_01 633.3228 [Home.] 633.7377 644 VLD_int_01 633.7377 (pause 0.71) 634.4489 645 VLD_int_01 634.4489 [Mm-hm.] 634.8577 646 VLD_int_01 635.8689 And then, you went there for 637.4554 647 VLD_int_01 637.4554 (pause 0.54) 637.9985 648 VLD_int_01 637.9985 what grades is that? Seven and eight. 639.3959 649 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 639.5118 Seventh and eighth grade. 640.6763 650 VLD_int_01 640.8777 And then high school. 642.0920 651 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 642.2141 Then, no. 643.0012 652 VLD_int_01 643.2148 Mm-mm. 643.4711 653 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 643.4711 There was um, 644.1851 654 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 645.3190 at Pinevale, 646.3808 655 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 646.3808 (pause 0.81) 647.1910 656 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 647.1910 School 647.7646 657 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 647.7646 (pause 0.68) 648.4420 658 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 648.4420 they use that as a 649.6014 659 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 649.6014 (pause 0.51) 650.1079 660 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 650.1079 ninth grade 650.8279 661 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 650.8279 (pause 0.12) 650.9439 662 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 650.9439 for all kids. 651.8715 663 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 651.8715 (pause 0.74) 652.6159 664 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 652.6159 So, [you.] 653.2383 665 VLD_int_01 653.0370 [Black] and white? 653.6045 666 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 653.7265 Black and white. 654.4893 667 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 654.4893 (pause 0.19) 654.6784 668 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 654.6784 So, all bl- 655.3455 669 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 655.3455 (pause 0.10) 655.4493 670 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 655.4493 black and white kids only went to junior high for two years. 658.1830 671 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 658.1830 (pause 0.49) 658.6712 672 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 658.6712 And then, a- 659.1655 673 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 659.1655 (pause 0.13) 659.2936 674 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 659.2936 for the ninth grade, only 660.8414 675 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 660.8414 (pause 0.74) 661.5859 676 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 661.5859 all kids went to 662.4768 677 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 662.4768 (pause 0.20) 662.6782 678 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 662.6782 went to Pinevale High School 664.0658 679 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 664.0658 (pause 0.74) 664.8068 680 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 664.8068 before they moved over to the 666.6436 681 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 666.6436 (pause 0.36) 667.0036 682 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 667.0036 Valdosta High School for tenth, eleventh and twelfth grade. 669.5015 683 VLD_int_01 669.9713 Okay. So, how was 670.7579 684 VLD_int_01 670.7579 (pause 0.41) 671.1729 685 VLD_int_01 671.1729 Pi- I've never- 672.3628 686 VLD_int_01 672.3628 (pause 0.15) 672.5153 687 VLD_int_01 672.5153 that's interesting. How was Pinevale when it was 674.4997 688 VLD_int_01 674.4997 (pause 0.17) 674.6706 689 VLD_int_01 674.6706 just ninth grade? 675.7507 690 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 676.3853 It was- 676.9406 691 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 676.9406 (pause 0.29) 677.2335 692 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 677.2335 it was good. Cause I think it- 678.6059 693 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 678.6059 (pause 0.08) 678.6852 694 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 678.6852 it- it helped because you don't 680.4034 695 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 680.4034 (pause 0.34) 680.7390 696 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 680.7390 get 681.0535 697 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 681.0535 (pause 0.11) 681.1599 698 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 681.1599 kids 681.5531 699 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 681.5531 (pause 0.11) 681.6629 700 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 681.6629 come down right be- from a junior high setting 684.1970 701 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 684.1970 (pause 0.08) 684.2763 702 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 684.2763 to a high school settings. It was like transition 687.0173 703 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 687.0173 (pause 0.37) 687.3854 704 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 687.3854 of getting to 688.1176 705 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 688.1176 (pause 1.18) 689.3014 706 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 689.3014 I guess grow up a little bit. 690.5951 707 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 690.5951 (pause 0.12) 690.7171 708 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 690.7171 You know [the] 691.2637 709 VLD_int_01 691.0903 [] 692.4048 710 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 691.3980 [you know. ] 692.4048 711 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 692.5025 Before you e- get the full thrust of, you know, 694.7664 712 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 694.7664 (pause 0.47) 695.2352 713 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 695.2352 m- mingling with older kids. You actually get the chance to, you know, 698.5387 714 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 698.5387 (pause 0.62) 699.1602 715 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 699.1602 build some 699.8506 716 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 699.8506 (pause 0.40) 700.2534 717 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 700.2534 I guess some nerves. Or I mean get s- get a better foundation. Get some grips on yourself 704.5233 718 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 704.5233 (pause 0.10) 704.6209 719 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 704.6209 instead of just getting 705.5546 720 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 705.5546 (pause 0.27) 705.8293 721 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 705.8293 thrust in. Cause 706.6775 722 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 706.6775 (pause 0.93) 707.6051 723 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 707.6051 I guess when you look at it, when yo- when kids sometime get go from 711.0109 724 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 711.0109 (pause 0.65) 711.6577 725 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 711.6577 from one- from junior high then thrust in with the kids from ninth to twelfth grade, that's a big jump. 716.8082 726 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 716.8082 (pause 0.15) 716.9608 727 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 716.9608 You know. 717.3452 728 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 717.3452 (pause 0.51) 717.8578 729 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 717.8578 A big jump, so. 719.0111 730 VLD_int_01 719.7922 Um. 720.2987 731 VLD_int_01 720.2987 (pause 0.18) 720.4817 732 VLD_int_01 720.4817 So, was it- every- y'all did- 721.8750 733 VLD_int_01 721.8750 (pause 0.15) 722.0270 734 VLD_int_01 722.0270 did y'all do like everything that you would do in high school but just, 724.0989 735 VLD_int_01 724.0989 (pause 0.13) 724.2271 736 VLD_int_01 724.2271 just 724.5383 737 VLD_int_01 724.5383 (pause 0.18) 724.7152 738 VLD_int_01 724.7152 in ninth grade? 725.5390 739 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 725.6305 Right. Just ninth grade classes 727.3330 740 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 727.3330 (pause 0.14) 727.4734 741 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 727.4734 only. I mean, we had our own football team, I mean, our own football, I mean with ninth grade football, basketball 732.8576 742 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 732.8576 (pause 0.46) 733.3217 743 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 733.3217 everything would have been just like you was at the high school, but it was just like the ninth grades. 736.9586 744 VLD_int_01 737.2149 So, who'd y'all play against? 738.5759 745 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 738.6430 We'd play against other schools at uh, 740.7517 746 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 740.7517 (pause 0.74) 741.4927 747 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 741.4927 other high school teams. 742.7150 748 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 742.7150 (pause 0.40) 743.1170 749 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 743.1170 I mea- cause every school back then had ninth grades. 746.0704 750 VLD_int_01 746.2962 The ninth grade- [Ah.] 747.3253 751 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 746.9714 [That they] mighta not have been 748.1834 752 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 748.9008 as separated as we were in Val- at Valdosta school system, but they still had ninth grades. 753.8936 753 VLD_int_01 754.1987 Oh, okay. 755.0044 754 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 755.1570 [Yeah.] 755.4499 755 VLD_int_01 755.1631 [Cause] I was like who y'all playing [against?] 756.9296 756 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 756.5513 [Yeah.] 756.9296 757 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 757.0272 [Mm-hm.] 757.4788 758 VLD_int_01 757.0272 [Okay.] 757.4788 759 VLD_int_01 757.9093 So, 758.4341 760 VLD_int_01 758.4341 (pause 0.54) 758.9772 761 VLD_int_01 758.9772 did you play any sports? 760.0146 762 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 760.2770 Yeah, I played basketball in the ninth grade. 762.3334 763 VLD_int_01 762.3517 Oh, what position? 763.2426 764 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 764.0020 I played guard. 765.0638 765 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 765.0638 (pause 0.19) 765.2530 766 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 765.2530 Mm-hm. 765.6740 767 VLD_int_01 765.7350 Shooting or point? 766.5832 768 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 766.8883 Shooting guard. 767.6999 769 VLD_int_01 768.0973 Were you good? 768.7197 770 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 769.0248 I was decent. 769.7571 771 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 769.7571 (pause 0.10) 769.8547 772 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 769.8547 I [started.] 770.5198 773 VLD_int_01 770.4527 [Like] jump rope decent? 771.5450 774 VLD_int_01 771.6670 [] 773.4916 775 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 771.7403 [Yeah.] 772.0942 776 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 772.0942 (pause 0.16) 772.2589 777 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 772.2589 [Mm-mm.] 772.6861 778 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 772.6861 (pause 0.24) 772.9241 779 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 772.9241 [I started.] 773.7203 780 VLD_int_01 774.0804 Oh, yeah, you were pretty [good.] 775.4489 781 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 775.2963 [Mm-hm.] 775.7113 782 VLD_int_01 775.9127 Okay, so then how did you- what happened when you transitioned to 778.7257 783 VLD_int_01 778.7257 (pause 0.42) 779.1453 784 VLD_int_01 779.1453 the big 779.5908 785 VLD_int_01 779.5908 (pause 0.14) 779.7311 786 VLD_int_01 779.7311 s- high school? 780.5854 787 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 781.2139 Uh. 781.7936 788 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 781.7936 (pause 0.10) 781.8913 789 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 781.8913 Ninth or tenth grade, I 783.3739 790 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 783.3739 (pause 0.09) 783.4593 791 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 783.4593 transitioned, and I- I didn't play sports anymore cause I w- I wanted 787.4745 792 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 787.4745 (pause 0.36) 787.8330 793 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 787.8330 I was always ambitious and wanted 789.4135 794 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 789.4135 (pause 0.18) 789.5966 795 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 789.5966 a car 790.1153 796 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 790.1153 (pause 0.96) 791.0791 797 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 791.0791 [So.] 791.4575 798 VLD_int_01 791.2012 [Oh. So,] you wanted to [work?] 792.2813 799 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 792.0006 [I wanted] to work. So, 793.3491 800 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 794.2645 my cousin 795.1798 801 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 795.1798 (pause 0.63) 795.8127 802 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 795.8127 795.9054 803 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 795.9054 (pause 0.10) 796.0036 804 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 796.0036 uh, 796.5313 805 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 796.5313 (pause 0.70) 797.2269 806 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 797.2269 mom used to pick us up 798.4962 807 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 798.4962 (pause 0.52) 799.0149 808 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 799.0149 and we 799.6190 809 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 799.6190 (pause 0.20) 799.8143 810 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 799.8143 uh, befriended a 801.1140 811 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 801.1140 (pause 0.49) 801.6022 812 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 801.6022 801.7242 813 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 801.7242 (pause 0.48) 802.2063 814 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 802.2063 young- I- uh, I call her young lady. Still call her old la- young lady Ms. /RD-NAME-2/. 806.1839 815 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 806.1839 (pause 1.02) 807.2048 816 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 807.2048 And Ms. /RD-NAME-2/ was like, 808.3696 817 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 808.3696 (pause 0.24) 808.6075 818 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 808.6075 uh, she was a 809.3997 819 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 809.3997 (pause 0.18) 809.5766 820 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 809.5766 k- over the custodians at the 811.4866 821 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 811.4866 (pause 0.45) 811.9382 822 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 811.9382 school system. 812.9877 823 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 812.9877 (pause 0.30) 813.2906 824 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 813.2906 So, my family knew her. 814.6575 825 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 814.6575 (pause 0.76) 815.4141 826 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 815.4141 So, Ms. /RD-NAME-2/ gave me and my cousin a job after school. 818.5351 827 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 818.5351 (pause 0.10) 818.6388 828 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 818.6388 We was in the tenth grade, we would go after school and uh, work 821.8485 829 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 821.8485 (pause 0.17) 822.0194 830 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 822.0194 Monday through Friday. And I was able to actually, save money 825.1871 831 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 825.1871 (pause 0.40) 825.5838 832 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 825.5838 toward getting a car. 826.5052 833 VLD_int_01 827.2397 How long did it take you to save to get your car? 828.8127 834 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 829.9904 It didn't take long because during the summertime, 832.6692 835 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 832.6692 (pause 0.40) 833.0648 836 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 833.0648 in those days, 834.0473 837 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 834.0473 (pause 0.29) 834.3341 838 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 834.3341 you had to go 835.1945 839 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 835.1945 (pause 0.23) 835.4203 840 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 835.4203 out in the fields 836.3376 841 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 836.3376 (pause 0.17) 836.5084 842 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 836.5084 if you wanted 837.1430 843 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 837.1430 (pause 0.36) 837.5031 844 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 837.5031 income. I mean, we don't- 839.0042 845 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 839.0042 (pause 0.38) 839.3886 846 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 839.3886 no such thing as what kids now an al- 841.4148 847 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 841.4148 (pause 0.17) 841.5857 848 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 841.5857 an allowance. 842.4766 849 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 842.4766 (pause 0.54) 843.0136 850 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 843.0136 You had to make your allowance by working. So, during the summer, 845.9853 851 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 845.9853 (pause 0.55) 846.5345 852 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 846.5345 I would go crop tobacco and save money. 848.8032 853 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 848.8032 (pause 0.87) 849.6697 854 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 849.6697 And I would even go buy my school clothes in the tenth grade. 852.3785 855 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 852.3785 (pause 0.35) 852.7264 856 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 852.7264 That just something that 853.5318 857 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 853.5318 (pause 0.38) 853.9163 858 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 853.9163 I just shifted it 854.6973 859 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 854.6973 (pause 0.53) 855.2282 860 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 855.2282 and took control of myself. 856.6012 861 VLD_int_01 858.0596 So, how young were you when you started 860.6223 862 VLD_int_01 860.6223 (pause 0.93) 861.5559 863 VLD_int_01 861.5559 doing tobacco in the fields ? 863.1207 864 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 863.2427 Probably into- now, working tobacco, that was tradition 866.3670 865 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 866.3670 (pause 0.35) 866.7148 866 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 866.7148 f- 866.8064 867 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 866.8064 (pause 0.20) 867.0077 868 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 867.0077 for most black kids 868.3380 869 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 868.3380 (pause 0.61) 868.9463 870 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 868.9463 doin- 869.2270 871 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 869.2270 (pause 0.13) 869.3551 872 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 869.3551 in my age. 870.1057 873 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 870.1057 (pause 0.13) 870.2338 874 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 870.2338 Probably start working the 'bacca when you was probably about in 872.6930 875 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 872.6930 (pause 0.16) 872.8517 876 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 872.8517 um, about ten years old, I mean, you do some form of work. You know, you go 876.9711 877 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 876.9711 (pause 0.44) 877.4105 878 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 877.4105 to field ac- uh. 878.9106 879 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 878.9106 (pause 0.46) 879.3683 880 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 879.3683 Pick peaches, uh, you would go pick beans, it was always something 883.4674 881 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 883.4674 (pause 0.49) 883.9556 882 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 883.9556 that we just 884.6207 883 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 884.6207 (pause 0.20) 884.8221 884 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 884.8221 as kids would go out and do in order to have our own income or just have spending money cause mama 889.8023 885 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 889.8023 (pause 0.48) 890.2844 886 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 890.2844 during those days just didn't have money to t- to just ha- 892.9586 887 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 892.9586 (pause 0.25) 893.2088 888 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 893.2088 give out to kids, you know. So we just 894.8930 889 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 894.8930 (pause 0.32) 895.2164 890 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 895.2164 grew up with a work ethics I guess. 896.8656 891 VLD_int_01 897.3477 Oh, we don't have that today. 898.4766 892 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 898.5865 Mm-hm. 899.0746 893 VLD_int_01 899.3065 So, 899.8374 894 VLD_int_01 899.8374 (pause 0.36) 900.1974 895 VLD_int_01 900.1974 so, you did that every summer? 901.6627 896 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 901.7603 Mm-hm. 902.1936 897 VLD_int_01 902.4559 And you- 902.9502 898 VLD_int_01 902.9502 (pause 0.16) 903.1150 899 VLD_int_01 903.1150 now, how much money would you make? 904.5612 900 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 906.0009 Depend on what you was doing. 907.4410 901 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 907.4410 (pause 0.25) 907.6912 902 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 907.6912 Like, uh, 908.6004 903 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 908.6004 (pause 1.23) 909.8270 904 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 909.8270 if you like worked at the barn 911.5051 905 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 911.5051 (pause 0.51) 912.0163 906 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 912.0163 which, I started working tobacco when I was about seven, 914.7941 907 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 914.7941 (pause 0.13) 914.9196 908 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 914.9196 eight. Cause my 915.6396 909 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 915.6396 (pause 0.12) 915.7556 910 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 915.7556 um, 916.2681 911 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 916.2681 (pause 0.51) 916.7746 912 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 916.7746 916.8539 913 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 916.8539 (pause 0.73) 917.5801 914 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 917.5801 It's 917.9882 915 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 917.9882 (pause 0.23) 918.2201 916 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 918.2201 Ms. uh, /RD-NAME-3/ 919.4711 917 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 919.4711 (pause 0.87) 920.3376 918 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 920.3376 uh, 920.6942 919 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 920.6942 (pause 0.13) 920.8223 920 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 920.8223 in what we call Little Miami, 922.7003 921 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 922.7003 (pause 0.72) 923.4203 922 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 923.4203 923.5241 923 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 923.5241 (pause 0.58) 924.1038 924 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 924.1038 which is my stepfather's uh 926.0443 925 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 926.0443 (pause 0.14) 926.1819 926 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 926.1819 mom 926.7555 927 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 926.7555 (pause 1.04) 927.7991 928 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 927.7991 they would, 928.3300 929 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 928.3300 (pause 0.45) 928.7754 930 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 928.7754 I guess, she would call it, 929.8189 931 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 929.8189 (pause 0.56) 930.3742 932 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 930.3742 they 930.6488 933 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 930.6488 (pause 0.15) 930.7952 934 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 930.7952 they called it the hauling hands. 932.6709 935 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 932.6709 (pause 0.41) 933.0797 936 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 933.0797 That's what they called it. 934.1049 937 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 934.1049 (pause 0.17) 934.2758 938 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 934.2758 Uh. 934.4283 939 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 934.4283 (pause 0.19) 934.6175 940 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 934.6175 People in the neighborhood. 935.6854 941 VLD_int_01 935.6854 Mm-hm. 936.0836 942 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 936.1263 Like, farmers and all, they would hire 937.8930 943 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 937.8930 (pause 0.32) 938.2164 944 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 938.2164 uh, someone like /beacon/ 939.6077 945 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 939.6077 (pause 0.26) 939.8640 946 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 939.8640 uh i- 940.3927 947 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 940.3927 (pause 0.22) 940.6124 948 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 940.6124 be the, I guess, um 942.3393 949 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 942.3393 (pause 0.40) 942.7360 950 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 942.7360 942.8275 951 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 942.8275 (pause 0.87) 943.6998 952 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 943.6998 just like now with the Hispanics, 945.3779 953 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 945.3779 (pause 0.27) 945.6525 954 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 945.6525 you have someone that's actually the lead person, 948.4173 955 VLD_int_01 948.5943 Mm-hm. 948.8933 956 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 948.9238 and then they h- 949.4425 957 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 949.4425 (pause 0.12) 949.5584 958 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 949.5584 the lead person bring other people in to do the work. Migrant work. 952.9815 959 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 952.9815 (pause 0.26) 953.2439 960 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 953.2439 That's wha- 953.5307 961 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 953.5307 (pause 0.11) 953.6405 962 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 953.6405 I mean, we was the extension of doing the migrant work during that time. What the Hispanics do now. 958.6485 963 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 958.6485 (pause 0.66) 959.3075 964 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 959.3075 So, she would- the people in the neighborhood that wanted to work, 961.9093 965 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 961.9093 (pause 0.52) 962.4341 966 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 962.4341 they would be 963.1724 967 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 963.1724 (pause 0.41) 963.5874 968 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 963.5874 more or less up under her umbrella. 965.2106 969 VLD_int_01 965.2815 Mm-hm. 965.7392 970 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 965.7392 And she would make sure that that 967.1610 971 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 967.3379 we would 967.7651 972 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 967.7651 (pause 0.10) 967.8688 973 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 967.8688 get the w- 968.2960 974 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 968.2960 (pause 0.14) 968.4363 975 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 968.4363 the g- the guy would supply the transportation. That he would give them a truck or whatever. 973.2945 976 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 973.2945 (pause 0.34) 973.6362 977 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 973.6362 They get the hand- what they would call hands 975.3906 978 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 975.3906 (pause 0.12) 975.5126 979 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 975.5126 back then. That's the main term they used. 977.3555 980 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 977.3555 (pause 0.84) 978.1915 981 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 978.1915 To go out into the fields, or, in 980.2765 982 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 980.2765 (pause 0.36) 980.6365 983 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 980.6365 like, 980.9050 984 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 980.9050 (pause 0.30) 981.2040 985 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 981.2040 crop tobacco and 982.6136 986 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 982.6136 (pause 0.15) 982.7662 987 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 982.7662 all that stuff, so I would actually work at the barn, or what they called where the- 985.9151 988 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 985.9151 (pause 0.14) 986.0554 989 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 986.0554 where the tobacco is strung. 987.5627 990 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 987.5627 (pause 0.40) 987.9654 991 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 987.9654 And hung up into the barn 989.4517 992 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 989.4517 (pause 0.57) 990.0253 993 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 990.0253 before it's cooked. 991.0627 994 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 991.0627 (pause 0.44) 991.5021 995 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 991.5021 So, I would- 991.9353 996 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 991.9353 (pause 0.20) 992.1367 997 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 992.1367 was hired to pick up leaves and like 993.8577 998 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 993.8577 (pause 0.13) 993.9858 999 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 993.9858 take off sticks, uh, like the 996.1209 1000 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 996.1209 (pause 0.22) 996.3406 1001 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 996.3406 like they was 996.7677 1002 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 996.7677 (pause 0.68) 997.4451 1003 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 997.4451 go in the field, crop the 'bacca, then they would have what they call 1000.2709 1004 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1000.2709 (pause 0.34) 1000.6065 1005 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1000.6065 handers 1001.4303 1006 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1001.4303 (pause 0.45) 1001.8758 1007 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1001.8758 and stringers. The handers were the person that handed the 'bacca to the person that was stringing it with a- 1006.5844 1008 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1006.5844 (pause 0.30) 1006.8834 1009 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1006.8834 on a stick. 1007.7682 1010 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1007.7682 (pause 0.39) 1008.1603 1011 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1008.1603 And once the stick is strung up 1009.8275 1012 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1009.8275 (pause 0.24) 1010.0649 1013 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1010.0649 enough 'bacca on the stick to take off, you would take- I would take that stick 1013.5743 1014 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1013.5743 (pause 0.46) 1014.0380 1015 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1014.0380 and take it and hand it to someone in the barn, and they would start at the top 1017.4847 1016 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1017.4847 (pause 0.20) 1017.6861 1017 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1017.6861 and they would hang it all the way from the top to the bottom. 1019.8570 1018 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1019.8570 (pause 0.43) 1020.2841 1019 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1020.2841 until that barn is filled. 1021.5656 1020 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1021.5656 (pause 0.13) 1021.6998 1021 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1021.6998 And once that barn was filled, 1023.2620 1022 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1023.2620 (pause 0.51) 1023.7705 1023 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1023.7705 then they would- l- light it with 1025.0581 1024 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1025.0581 (pause 0.08) 1025.1374 1025 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1025.1374 um, 1025.6500 1026 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1025.6500 (pause 0.69) 1026.3395 1027 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1026.3395 I guess kerosene back in those days. And cook the 'bacca. 1029.4702 1028 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1029.4702 (pause 0.21) 1029.6838 1029 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1029.6838 And once the 'bacca was cooked, 1031.2826 1030 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1031.2826 (pause 0.52) 1031.8073 1031 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1031.8073 then 1032.4175 1032 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1032.4175 (pause 0.07) 1032.4908 1033 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1032.4908 we would 1032.8935 1034 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1032.8935 (pause 0.63) 1033.5281 1035 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1033.5281 take the tobacco off the stick 1035.5063 1036 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1035.5063 (pause 0.52) 1036.0311 1037 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1036.0311 and put it in these big sheets 1037.9594 1038 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1037.9594 (pause 0.45) 1038.4048 1039 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1038.4048 and then it would go off to the warehouse to be sold. 1040.6700 1040 VLD_int_01 1041.3352 Now, how long did that whole process take to 1043.4428 1041 VLD_int_01 1043.4428 (pause 0.20) 1043.6381 1042 VLD_int_01 1043.6381 do from stringing it up to. 1045.7372 1043 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1045.9325 Well, the stinging part probably would take 1047.8579 1044 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1047.8579 (pause 1.00) 1048.8586 1045 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1048.8586 one day, cause you would, uh 1050.4757 1046 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1050.4757 (pause 0.20) 1050.6758 1047 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1050.6758 probably take y'all a day to fill a barn. 1052.6004 1048 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1052.6004 (pause 0.22) 1052.8177 1049 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1052.8177 Based on the size it was, you would, uh, 1055.2698 1050 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1055.2698 (pause 0.57) 1055.8373 1051 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1055.8373 And then they would let it cook 1057.2774 1052 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1057.2774 (pause 0.47) 1057.7453 1053 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1057.7453 according how- 1058.3148 1054 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1058.3148 (pause 0.81) 1059.1263 1055 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1059.1263 I would guess 1059.9074 1056 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1059.9074 (pause 0.25) 1060.1576 1057 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1060.1576 two or three days sometimes, cause they added- 1062.2767 1058 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1062.2767 (pause 0.10) 1062.3743 1059 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1062.3743 I guess, 1062.8930 1060 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1062.8930 (pause 0.29) 1063.1859 1061 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1063.1859 not like 1063.7290 1062 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1063.7290 (pause 0.85) 1064.5753 1063 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1064.5753 cook cook 1065.1672 1064 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1065.1672 (pause 0.09) 1065.2587 1065 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1065.2587 well, I guess you'd I guess 1066.3571 1066 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1066.3571 (pause 1.21) 1067.5714 1067 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1067.5714 had the heat on 1068.4745 1068 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1068.4745 (pause 0.17) 1068.6454 1069 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1068.6454 and you just cured it until all of the uh- And what they call was um, the had to cook it at a- at a rate so the tobacco stems 1075.5586 1070 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1075.5586 (pause 1.22) 1076.7791 1071 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1076.7791 which is like a- 1077.5605 1072 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1077.5605 (pause 0.16) 1077.7192 1073 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1077.7192 if you looking at 1078.3538 1074 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1078.3538 (pause 0.19) 1078.5430 1075 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1078.5430 uh, 1079.0983 1076 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1079.0983 (pause 0.15) 1079.2508 1077 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1079.2508 collared greens, you know, [the stems] is thicker than the leaves. 1081.9358 1078 VLD_int_01 1080.7024 [Mm-hm.] 1081.0104 1079 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1082.3459 They would have to cook it so 1083.6518 1080 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1083.6518 (pause 0.57) 1084.2193 1081 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1084.2193 that it wouldn't burn the leaves up 1085.9055 1082 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1085.9055 (pause 0.13) 1086.0397 1083 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1086.0397 but also would cook the te- 1087.3456 1084 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1087.3456 (pause 0.13) 1087.4798 1085 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1087.4798 stems where the wouldn't 1088.7146 1086 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1088.7146 (pause 0.13) 1088.8475 1087 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1088.8475 stay green. 1089.7498 1088 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1089.7498 (pause 0.27) 1090.0244 1089 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1090.0244 Because, 1090.5316 1090 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1090.5316 (pause 0.29) 1090.8245 1091 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1090.8245 if you took the 1091.8018 1092 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1091.8018 (pause 0.67) 1092.4721 1093 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1092.4721 tobacco, 1093.2227 1094 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1093.2227 (pause 0.29) 1093.5095 1095 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1093.5095 and they had green st- um, /thems/, 1095.6204 1096 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1095.6204 (pause 0.21) 1095.8278 1097 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1095.8278 stems on it, 1096.5960 1098 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1096.5960 (pause 0.17) 1096.7669 1099 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1096.7669 and mix, and mix it in the sheet, it would ruin the tobacco. 1099.8362 1100 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1099.8362 (pause 0.42) 1100.2573 1101 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1100.2573 So, that was a 1101.0994 1102 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1101.0994 (pause 0.24) 1101.3435 1103 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1101.3435 process they had to really watch. 1102.9668 1104 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1102.9668 (pause 0.48) 1103.4489 1105 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1103.4489 Mm-hm. 1103.8456 1106 VLD_int_01 1104.1995 I have never heard 1105.4051 1107 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1105.6187 Mm-hm. 1106.0336 1108 VLD_int_01 1106.2594 this. 1106.5889 1109 VLD_int_01 1106.5889 (pause 0.10) 1106.6927 1110 VLD_int_01 1106.6927 And so, [hw many] barns wha- like, 1108.1145 1111 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1106.9184 [Mm.] 1107.2053 1112 VLD_int_01 1108.5625 cause clearly, this- you have to have a lot of. 1110.2100 1113 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1111.1504 Yeah, you would. Cause 1112.0535 1114 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1112.0535 (pause 0.83) 1112.8799 1115 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1112.8799 um, most ge- most farmers, 1114.7170 1116 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1114.7170 (pause 0.84) 1115.5591 1117 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1115.5591 they would have mu- multiple barns, like, you know. 1118.0488 1118 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1118.0488 (pause 0.45) 1118.5008 1119 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1118.5008 Cause there were like, 1119.2387 1120 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1119.2387 (pause 0.61) 1119.8490 1121 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1119.8490 seven, eight barns, cause 1121.3501 1122 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1121.3501 (pause 0.17) 1121.5210 1123 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1121.5210 according to how long it took 1122.6621 1124 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1122.6621 (pause 0.08) 1122.7414 1125 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1122.7414 to tobacco to 1123.4200 1126 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1123.4200 (pause 0.13) 1123.5481 1127 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1123.5481 cure out because there's different levels of tobacco. 1126.3002 1128 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1126.3002 (pause 0.39) 1126.6907 1129 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1126.6907 When you first start, 1127.7281 1130 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1127.7281 (pause 0.88) 1128.6129 1131 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1128.6129 they call the- at the bottom of the stalk, 1130.8534 1132 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1130.8534 (pause 0.90) 1131.7504 1133 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1131.7504 they would 1132.1227 1134 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1132.1227 (pause 0.15) 1132.2752 1135 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1132.2752 uh. 1132.6108 1136 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1132.6108 (pause 1.04) 1133.6482 1137 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1133.6482 They would- 1134.1608 1138 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1134.1608 (pause 0.12) 1134.2828 1139 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1134.2828 you hafta 1134.9480 1140 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1134.9480 (pause 0.13) 1135.0822 1141 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1135.0822 crop that first. 1136.1826 1142 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1136.1826 (pause 1.27) 1137.4518 1143 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1137.4518 That's what they made cigars out of, 1139.1543 1144 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1139.1543 (pause 0.11) 1139.2641 1145 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1139.2641 by the [way.] 1139.9049 1146 VLD_int_01 1139.6181 [Oh.] Okay. 1140.2443 1147 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1140.3419 The- the 1140.7935 1148 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1140.7935 (pause 0.12) 1140.9095 1149 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1140.9095 first crop of tobacco, that's (laughing) what they made cigars out of. 1143.9300 1150 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1143.9300 (pause 0.81) 1144.7355 1151 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1144.7355 And you would crop that first. What they call sand lugs, that was the 1147.8084 1152 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1147.8084 (pause 0.11) 1147.9183 1153 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1147.9183 technical name for it. 1149.0166 1154 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1149.0166 (pause 0.31) 1149.3279 1155 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1149.3279 Sand lug. 1150.1162 1156 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1150.1162 (pause 0.16) 1150.2810 1157 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1150.2810 Cause it was so close to the ground, that [it was] hid in the sand. 1152.9293 1158 VLD_int_01 1151.7895 [Hm.] 1152.0950 1159 VLD_int_01 1153.2710 [Gotcha.] 1153.6433 1160 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1153.3870 [So they-] so you was lugging that 1154.9896 1161 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1155.3496 off the stalks. 1156.3320 1162 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1156.3320 (pause 0.67) 1157.0033 1163 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1157.0033 So, you would crop that first, and then at- 1159.0704 1164 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1159.0704 (pause 0.14) 1159.2107 1165 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1159.2107 each week, 1160.0284 1166 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1160.0284 (pause 1.25) 1161.2783 1167 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1161.2783 uh, 1161.7360 1168 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1161.7360 (pause 0.38) 1162.1204 1169 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1162.1204 you would go back 1163.3393 1170 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1163.3393 (pause 0.23) 1163.5664 1171 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1163.5664 and as p- the weeks progressed, you would take the stalk- 1166.5625 1172 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1166.5625 (pause 0.23) 1166.7944 1173 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1166.7944 you would t- 1167.1605 1174 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1167.1605 (pause 0.40) 1167.5565 1175 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1167.5565 get more- more tobacco. All the way til it go to the top. 1170.6014 1176 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1170.6014 (pause 0.49) 1171.0896 1177 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1171.0896 And that's the 1171.6998 1178 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1171.6998 (pause 0.27) 1171.9683 1179 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1171.9683 process of cropping tobacco. Because it was 1174.0988 1180 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1174.0988 (pause 0.45) 1174.5443 1181 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1174.5443 at the bottom, that's where it got 1175.9783 1182 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1175.9783 (pause 0.25) 1176.2306 1183 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1176.2306 brown first, I mean, far as, bec- 1178.2748 1184 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1178.2748 (pause 0.29) 1178.5677 1185 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1178.5677 for us, it 1179.1657 1186 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1179.1657 (pause 0.15) 1179.3183 1187 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1179.3183 say ripe 1180.0909 1188 VLD_int_01 1180.3216 Mm-hm. 1180.6084 1189 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1180.6084 first. 1181.0600 1190 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1181.4505 And then, as you start 1182.4940 1191 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1182.4940 (pause 0.35) 1182.8479 1192 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1182.8479 um, 1183.2446 1193 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1183.2446 (pause 0.38) 1183.6229 1194 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1183.6229 cropping tobacco off the stalk 1185.4108 1195 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1185.4108 (pause 0.43) 1185.8443 1196 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1185.8443 and it progressed up the next week. 1187.5285 1197 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1187.5285 (pause 0.35) 1187.8763 1198 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1187.8763 The next level would be ripe, and then 1189.7288 1199 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1189.7288 (pause 0.45) 1190.1803 1200 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1190.1803 just like 1190.6563 1201 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1190.6563 (pause 0.34) 1190.9919 1202 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1190.9919 /you-/ 1191.4984 1203 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1191.4984 (pause 0.16) 1191.6570 1204 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1191.6570 pruning I guess. 1192.5480 1205 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1192.5480 (pause 0.37) 1192.9157 1206 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1192.9157 Go from one- one green t- 1194.4474 1207 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1194.4474 (pause 0.34) 1194.7841 1208 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1194.7841 so, that was the process of tobacco. 1196.4988 1209 VLD_int_01 1196.5964 And how long- how many. So, you said you started when you were about seven eight 1199.5620 1210 VLD_int_01 1199.5620 (pause 0.13) 1199.6909 1211 VLD_int_01 1199.6909 for the lady. But, ho- how did you do this all the way until you graduated? 1202.5040 1212 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1202.6688 No, I did it until I like, [say I-] 1204.5679 1213 VLD_int_01 1204.3726 [Got your] car? 1205.0255 1214 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1205.1781 got. 1205.4893 1215 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1205.4893 (pause 0.12) 1205.6052 1216 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1205.6052 No, I- I did it 1206.4749 1217 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1206.4749 (pause 0.12) 1206.5909 1218 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1206.5909 probably until I was about f- about fifteen. 1209.0683 1219 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1209.0683 (pause 0.35) 1209.4162 1220 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1209.4162 Mm-hm. Then, at fifteen, I started um 1211.6797 1221 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1211.6797 (pause 0.84) 1212.5157 1222 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1212.5157 working at the school, 1213.9192 1223 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1213.9192 (pause 0.35) 1214.2731 1224 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1214.2731 after [school] 1214.9748 1225 VLD_int_01 1214.8162 [After] school. But what'd you do in the summer? 1216.1780 1226 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1216.7516 In the summer, I got a job, um, at Strickland Cotton Mills. 1220.5036 1227 VLD_int_01 1220.8514 Oh. 1221.2724 1228 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1221.3640 Yeah. Strickland Cotton Mills. I start working there 1223.8414 1229 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1223.8414 (pause 0.71) 1224.5539 1230 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1224.5539 um, 1225.1458 1231 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1225.1458 (pause 1.04) 1226.1832 1232 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1226.1832 probably 1226.9276 1233 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1226.9276 (pause 0.64) 1227.5684 1234 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1227.5684 my junior year. 1228.3921 1235 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1228.3921 (pause 0.21) 1228.5983 1236 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1228.5983 And uh, 1229.4465 1237 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1229.4465 (pause 0.24) 1229.6906 1238 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1229.6906 Yeah. My junior year 1230.5597 1239 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1230.5597 (pause 0.73) 1231.2859 1240 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1231.2859 in Valdosta High School. I started working Strickland- I would go to Strickland Cotton Mills, I would 1235.8144 1241 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1235.8144 (pause 0.73) 1236.5467 1242 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1236.5467 work 1236.8274 1243 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1236.8274 (pause 0.27) 1237.0959 1244 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1237.0959 I would got to sch- wo- school all day long, 1239.2420 1245 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1239.2420 (pause 0.29) 1239.5288 1246 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1239.5288 I would get off 1240.3831 1247 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1240.3831 (pause 0.73) 1241.1093 1248 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1241.1093 and be a Strickland Cotton Mill at 1242.5809 1249 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1242.5809 (pause 0.09) 1242.6724 1250 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1242.6724 four o'clock 1243.5511 1251 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1243.5511 (pause 0.30) 1243.8501 1252 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1243.8501 and I would work a eight hour shift 1245.2706 1253 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1245.2706 (pause 1.84) 1247.1128 1254 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1247.1128 five or six days a week. At least, I would work 1249.6208 1255 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1249.6208 (pause 0.34) 1249.9612 1256 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1249.9612 sometime we had to work Saturdays, 1251.5355 1257 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1251.5355 (pause 0.65) 1252.1885 1258 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1252.1885 but at least, Monday through Friday, I would work 1254.2310 1259 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1254.2310 (pause 0.13) 1254.3652 1260 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1254.3652 eight hours. 1255.1402 1261 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1255.1402 (pause 0.66) 1255.7952 1262 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1255.7952 Just like an adult. You know. 1257.2048 1263 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1257.2048 (pause 0.73) 1257.9377 1264 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1257.9377 Uh. 1258.3954 1265 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1258.3954 (pause 0.31) 1258.7005 1266 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1258.7005 After school. 1259.4388 1267 VLD_int_01 1260.7761 Why did you work so much? 1262.2833 1268 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1262.7715 It was need, I met my- 1264.6631 1269 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1264.6631 (pause 0.19) 1264.8528 1270 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1264.8528 my mom 1266.1892 1271 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1266.1892 (pause 0.53) 1266.7201 1272 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1266.7201 um, 1267.2327 1273 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1267.2327 (pause 0.07) 1267.3059 1274 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1267.3059 to help her. Cause 1268.4600 1275 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1268.4600 (pause 0.96) 1269.4181 1276 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1269.4181 um, 1269.9978 1277 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1269.9978 (pause 0.31) 1270.3029 1278 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1270.3029 I just said, um, 1271.5599 1279 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1271.5599 (pause 0.40) 1271.9566 1280 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1271.9566 to help her, cause it really wasn't, I mean 1274.2301 1281 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1274.2301 (pause 0.87) 1275.0966 1282 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1275.0966 conducive 1275.7739 1283 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1275.7739 (pause 0.89) 1276.6681 1284 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1276.6681 sometime my dad wouldn't 1278.1326 1285 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1278.1326 (pause 0.35) 1278.4865 1286 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1278.4865 do what he's supposed [to do. You.] So, you know. 1280.7741 1287 VLD_int_01 1279.4051 [/unintelligible/] 1279.7171 1288 VLD_int_01 1279.7171 (pause 0.23) 1279.9482 1289 VLD_int_01 1279.9482 [Hm.] 1280.1435 1290 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1281.1639 And my mama had poured so much into me, you know, and I just had to 1284.3325 1291 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1284.3325 (pause 0.35) 1284.6865 1292 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1284.6865 do whatever I had to do [to help her.] 1286.3585 1293 VLD_int_01 1285.7360 [So it wasn't] just because you wanted to, it was really out of necessity at this [point.] 1288.7510 1294 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1288.5253 [It was] out of necessity. 1289.7701 1295 VLD_int_01 1289.8799 Okay. 1290.2278 1296 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1290.3925 Mm-hm. 1290.7769 1297 VLD_int_01 1290.7769 That makes sense now. 1291.6440 1298 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1291.7634 [Mm-hm.] 1292.0814 1299 VLD_int_01 1292.0052 [So,] 1292.5666 1300 VLD_int_01 1293.4739 Did you get the car? 1294.0292 1301 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1294.5235 Yeah. 1294.9201 1302 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1294.9201 (pause 0.17) 1295.0891 1303 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1295.0891 [Mm-hm.] 1295.4019 1304 VLD_int_01 1295.0910 [And when'd] you get the car? 1295.9941 1305 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1296.6164 I got the car in the summer 1299.3685 1306 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1299.3685 (pause 0.57) 1299.9354 1307 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1299.9354 right bet- fore I went to um, 1302.0956 1308 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1302.0956 (pause 2.05) 1304.1425 1309 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1304.1425 the tenth- eleventh grade. 1305.4545 1310 VLD_int_01 1305.9182 What kind of car did you get? 1306.7970 1311 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1307.2363 I bought a 1308.1708 1312 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1308.1708 (pause 0.20) 1308.3661 1313 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1308.3661 Cougar XL seven. It was black 1311.2036 1314 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1311.2036 (pause 0.27) 1311.4782 1315 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1311.4782 red stripes 1312.5944 1316 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1312.5944 (pause 0.11) 1312.7042 1317 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1312.7042 and it was um, 1313.8598 1318 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1313.8598 (pause 0.17) 1314.0306 1319 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1314.0306 because it was a- 1315.1716 1320 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1315.1716 (pause 0.10) 1315.2753 1321 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1315.2753 it was automatic, but this gear shift was in the floor. 1318.0172 1322 VLD_int_01 1319.1033 And how- 1320.4336 1323 VLD_int_01 1320.4336 (pause 1.02) 1321.4561 1324 VLD_int_01 1321.4561 how m- how much was it? 1322.7924 1325 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1323.9640 It probably 1324.6963 1326 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1324.6963 (pause 2.55) 1327.2499 1327 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1327.2499 probably about fifteen hundred. Uh. I'd say fift- 1329.4267 1328 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1329.4267 (pause 0.10) 1329.5285 1329 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1329.5285 maybe fifteen hundred dollars and I just paid 1331.6581 1330 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1331.6581 (pause 0.49) 1332.1464 1331 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1332.1464 I had a down payment and it 1333.6170 1332 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1333.6170 (pause 0.09) 1333.7085 1333 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1333.7085 and 1334.0076 1334 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1334.0076 (pause 0.24) 1334.2455 1335 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1334.2455 when I worked during the week, 1335.6978 1336 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1335.6978 (pause 0.46) 1336.1555 1337 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1336.1555 every week, I would just 1337.1568 1338 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1337.1568 (pause 0.49) 1337.6511 1339 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1337.6511 go to the car lot and 1338.7861 1340 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1338.7861 (pause 0.31) 1339.0912 1341 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1339.0912 pay the guy. 1339.6526 1342 VLD_int_01 1341.5946 Brand new? 1342.2170 1343 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1343.1811 Uh, n- it was I mean- that year was seventy 1347.3937 1344 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1347.3937 (pause 1.50) 1348.8953 1345 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1348.8953 two. 1349.6276 1346 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1349.6276 (pause 0.74) 1350.3660 1347 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1350.3660 It was about four years old. Cause it was a sixty eight. 1352.8862 1348 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1352.8862 (pause 0.21) 1353.0998 1349 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1353.0998 Mm-hm. 1353.4781 1350 VLD_int_01 1353.6612 Mm. 1353.8414 1351 VLD_int_01 1353.8414 (pause 0.10) 1353.9451 1352 VLD_int_01 1353.9451 But it [was brand new to you.] 1355.0679 1353 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1354.4301 [Yeah.] 1354.8572 1354 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1354.8572 (pause 0.20) 1355.0586 1355 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1355.0586 Yeah. 1355.4123 1356 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1355.4829 Mm-hm. 1355.9848 1357 VLD_int_01 1356.0641 Okay. So, then, tell me a little bit. Okay, so we got all- 1358.7255 1358 VLD_int_01 1358.7255 (pause 0.21) 1358.9330 1359 VLD_int_01 1358.9330 which I've never heard anything about. 1360.3426 1360 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1360.6782 [Mm.] 1361.0077 1361 VLD_int_01 1360.6782 [Toba- So,] that's [really] interesting. [So, now,] tell me about the rest of high school. 1363.6872 1362 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1361.2274 [Mm.] 1361.4470 1363 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1361.4470 (pause 0.59) 1362.0354 1364 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1362.0354 [Mm-hm.] 1362.3527 1365 VLD_int_01 1363.8947 So, you worked. So, you didn't do a lot of stuff in school outside of going to school. 1366.9669 1366 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1366.9913 1367.0767 1367 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1367.0767 (pause 0.10) 1367.1805 1368 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1367.1805 Yeah, just going to school. I mean and 1369.3122 1369 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1369.3122 (pause 0.50) 1369.8126 1370 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1369.8126 may- 1370.2764 1371 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1370.2764 (pause 0.33) 1370.6026 1372 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1370.6026 just making sure I 1371.6156 1373 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1371.6156 (pause 0.32) 1371.9390 1374 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1371.9390 did my school work. 1372.8225 1375 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1372.8225 (pause 0.16) 1372.9872 1376 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1372.9872 You [know.] 1373.3717 1377 VLD_int_01 1373.2618 [And] then go work your eight [hours.] 1374.7256 1378 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1374.5555 [Go there- 1374.8728 1379 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1374.9704 My eight hours and- 1376.0480 1380 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1376.0480 (pause 0.15) 1376.2006 1381 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1376.2006 and on Sundays, um 1377.3112 1382 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1377.3112 (pause 0.34) 1377.6468 1383 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1377.6468 Saturdays and Sundays and I would 1379.2195 1384 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1379.2195 (pause 0.19) 1379.4086 1385 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1379.4086 actually go to church. 1380.7363 1386 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1380.7363 (pause 0.17) 1380.9091 1387 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1380.9091 You know. 1381.2752 1388 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1381.2752 (pause 0.15) 1381.4278 1389 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1381.4278 But, um. 1382.0136 1390 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1382.0136 (pause 1.01) 1383.0258 1391 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1383.0258 /I sat at-/, sometime I'd go to like some of the functions, you know, like, I mean I go to s- 1386.8290 1392 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1386.8290 (pause 0.16) 1386.9877 1393 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1386.9877 ba- some of the ball games and stuff, you know, like most kids. But I was just 1390.5844 1394 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1390.5844 (pause 0.99) 1391.5766 1395 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1391.5766 mostly just working. 1392.6627 1396 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1392.6627 (pause 0.23) 1392.8946 1397 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1392.8946 Working and reading. Always been an 1395.2052 1398 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1395.2052 (pause 0.99) 1396.1938 1399 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1396.1938 avid reader. And I was, um 1397.8115 1400 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1397.8115 (pause 0.21) 1398.0253 1401 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1398.0253 forcing it also. 1399.1603 1402 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1399.1603 (pause 0.32) 1399.4776 1403 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1399.4776 Working at Strickland, 1400.5638 1404 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1400.5638 (pause 0.56) 1401.1251 1405 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1401.1251 the guy that I worked for, 1402.3430 1406 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1402.3430 (pause 1.10) 1403.4414 1407 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1403.4414 1403.5512 1408 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1403.5512 (pause 0.10) 1403.6550 1409 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1403.6550 uh, 1404.2103 1410 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1404.2103 (pause 0.92) 1405.1317 1411 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1405.1317 And it's ironic 1405.9289 1412 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1405.9289 (pause 0.47) 1406.3988 1413 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1406.3988 you know, when I tell people this, they- 1407.8816 1414 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1407.8816 (pause 0.12) 1407.9976 1415 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1407.9976 they are puzzled. 1408.8702 1416 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1408.8702 (pause 1.81) 1410.6769 1417 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1410.6769 He, 1410.8966 1418 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1410.8966 (pause 0.10) 1411.0003 1419 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1411.0003 uh. 1411.6045 1420 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1411.6045 (pause 0.74) 1412.3428 1421 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1412.3428 1412.4649 1422 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1412.4649 (pause 0.59) 1413.0595 1423 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1413.0595 He told me, he said /RD-NAME-1/, he said, I see you um 1416.2143 1424 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1416.2143 (pause 0.60) 1416.8184 1425 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1416.8184 he said he told me, you got to high school? I say yes sir. 1419.4084 1426 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1419.4084 (pause 1.33) 1420.7386 1427 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1420.7386 And he said, uh, 1421.5868 1428 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1421.5868 (pause 0.15) 1421.7394 1429 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1421.7394 I never 1422.4106 1430 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1422.4106 (pause 0.55) 1422.9559 1431 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1422.9559 got a chance 1423.9017 1432 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1423.9017 (pause 0.15) 1424.0543 1433 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1424.0543 to go to school. 1425.0404 1434 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1425.0404 (pause 2.17) 1427.2087 1435 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1427.2087 He said, but uh, 1428.4170 1436 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1428.4170 (pause 1.47) 1429.8889 1437 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1429.8889 even though you working these eight hours, 1431.7622 1438 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1431.7622 (pause 0.98) 1432.7449 1439 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1432.7449 he said, when you get a break, 1434.0691 1440 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1434.0691 (pause 0.90) 1434.9661 1441 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1434.9661 and I already told all these- cause I was working out there with grown [men.] 1437.8338 1442 VLD_int_01 1437.7362 [Mm.] 1437.9925 1443 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1438.6393 He said, I already instructed these guys, 1440.7150 1444 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1440.7150 (pause 1.83) 1442.5419 1445 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1442.5419 whenever you might not be at your 1444.2627 1446 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1444.2627 (pause 0.23) 1444.4946 1447 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1444.4946 post, or whatever you're doing to help them, 1446.4228 1448 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1446.4228 (pause 0.60) 1447.0271 1449 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1447.0271 that I had already authorized you to get your school work every day 1450.6803 1450 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1450.6803 (pause 0.37) 1451.0463 1451 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1451.0463 while you're here at work. 1452.0166 1452 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1452.0166 (pause 0.12) 1452.1386 1453 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1452.1386 You know. 1452.5353 1454 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1452.5353 (pause 0.95) 1453.4876 1455 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1453.4876 If you need to take some time, 1455.1169 1456 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1455.1169 (pause 0.26) 1455.3793 1457 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1455.3793 fifteen, twenty, thirty minutes, or whatever, 1457.5089 1458 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1457.5089 (pause 0.32) 1457.8323 1459 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1457.8323 for your lunch break 1458.6750 1460 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1458.6750 (pause 0.23) 1458.9007 1461 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1458.9007 extra. 1459.4499 1462 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1459.4499 (pause 0.65) 1460.1029 1463 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1460.1029 Cause back then, you didn't even have no lunch breaks, you 1462.3550 1464 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1462.3550 (pause 0.08) 1462.4343 1465 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1462.4343 you f- you'd fit in when you get a chance but, 1465.0661 1466 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1465.0661 (pause 0.40) 1465.4627 1467 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1465.4627 he told me, he said I want you to- 1467.0432 1468 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1467.0432 (pause 0.11) 1467.1530 1469 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1467.1530 to baby, let's get you a high school 1468.8984 1470 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1468.8984 (pause 0.25) 1469.1486 1471 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1469.1486 education. 1469.9541 1472 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1469.9541 (pause 0.07) 1470.0273 1473 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1470.0273 And that's a white guy telling me that and, 1472.1659 1474 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1472.1659 (pause 0.67) 1472.8372 1475 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1472.8372 in nineteen seventy- 1474.0379 1476 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1474.0379 (pause 0.18) 1474.2210 1477 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1474.2210 seventy three. 1475.0936 1478 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1475.0936 (pause 0.34) 1475.4353 1479 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1475.4353 That- that was um, 1476.3995 1480 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1476.3995 (pause 0.09) 1476.4910 1481 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1476.4910 when I look back on it now, you look at the turbulent 1479.0148 1482 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1479.0148 (pause 0.25) 1479.2663 1483 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1479.2663 times we done had in this country, 1480.8529 1484 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1480.8529 (pause 0.34) 1481.1885 1485 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1481.1885 that- that was remarkable to me. And I often just reflect back on that sometime. I say, I hope you know that- 1485.8331 1486 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1485.8331 (pause 0.41) 1486.2419 1487 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1486.2419 that he encouraged me, you know. They- that- 1488.1213 1488 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1488.1213 (pause 0.27) 1488.3898 1489 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1488.3898 that even if he didn't get it, 1489.8886 1490 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1489.8886 (pause 0.54) 1490.4256 1491 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1490.4256 that he thought enough 1491.3287 1492 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1491.3287 (pause 0.35) 1491.6827 1493 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1491.6827 of me 1492.2502 1494 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1492.2502 (pause 0.16) 1492.4149 1495 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1492.4149 wanting to get it 1493.2631 1496 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1493.2631 (pause 0.41) 1493.6726 1497 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1493.6726 that he was gonna support me 1495.0517 1498 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1495.0517 (pause 0.85) 1495.9062 1499 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1495.9062 and make sure I got it. 1496.9253 1500 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1496.9253 (pause 0.33) 1497.2548 1501 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1497.2548 Um. 1497.5172 1502 VLD_int_01 1497.6575 That's 1498.0048 1503 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1498.3709 [Yeah.] 1498.7001 1504 VLD_int_01 1498.3709 [That is] like 1499.0177 1505 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1499.1398 Yeah. 1499.4449 1506 VLD_int_01 1500.1405 that's amazing. 1500.9226 1507 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1500.9226 Mm-hm. 1501.4169 1508 VLD_int_01 1501.4169 Um. 1501.9477 1509 VLD_int_01 1501.9477 (pause 1.50) 1503.4510 1510 VLD_int_01 1503.4510 To hear that 1504.1527 1511 VLD_int_01 1504.1527 (pause 1.77) 1505.9184 1512 VLD_int_01 1505.9184 amount 1506.4553 1513 VLD_int_01 1506.4553 (pause 0.20) 1506.6567 1514 VLD_int_01 1506.6567 one, 1507.1204 1515 VLD_int_01 1507.1204 (pause 0.35) 1507.4744 1516 VLD_int_01 1507.4744 that he admitted that he didn't have a degree, [or di-] 1510.0434 1517 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1509.7078 [Mm-hm.] 1510.0495 1518 VLD_int_01 1510.1533 you know, didn't have [his diploma.] 1511.4286 1519 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1511.0442 [Mm-hm.] 1511.3676 1520 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1511.5507 [Mm-hm.] 1511.9484 1521 VLD_int_01 1511.9473 And then, two, making sure 1513.5219 1522 VLD_int_01 1514.0406 while you getting paid, you [still-] 1515.8066 1523 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1515.2757 [Mm-hm.] 1515.6297 1524 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1515.9287 [Mm-hm.] 1516.3375 1525 VLD_int_01 1516.1483 [he still] supported to get- that's 1517.7501 1526 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1518.1772 [You know, I.] 1518.6526 1527 VLD_int_01 1518.3292 [that's] a big deal, like- 1519.6107 1528 VLD_int_01 1520.1049 and like you said, in nineteen-seventies. 1521.7664 1529 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1521.8884 [Mm-hm.] 1522.3033 1530 VLD_int_01 1522.0104 [When] racial tensions were [all kinds of] a hot mess. 1524.6039 1531 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1522.9380 [That's a /foreman/.] 1523.9138 1532 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1524.7442 Yeah. 1525.1347 1533 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1525.1347 (pause 0.13) 1525.2642 1534 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1525.2642 Mm-hm. 1525.7341 1535 VLD_int_01 1525.9415 So, 1526.6189 1536 VLD_int_01 1526.6189 (pause 0.65) 1527.2718 1537 VLD_int_01 1527.2718 then you graduated from 1528.4068 1538 VLD_int_01 1528.4068 (pause 0.41) 1528.8170 1539 VLD_int_01 1528.8170 high school. 1529.4821 1540 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1529.7262 Yeah, I went to 1530.6293 1541 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1530.6293 (pause 0.49) 1531.1175 1542 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1531.1175 in fact, 1531.8454 1543 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1531.8454 (pause 1.34) 1533.1893 1544 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1533.1893 I finished high school after the eleventh grade. 1535.1847 1545 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1535.1847 (pause 0.75) 1535.9374 1546 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1535.9374 When I 1536.3096 1547 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1536.3096 (pause 0.51) 1536.8161 1548 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1536.8161 after eleventh grade, all I needed was English four. 1539.2452 1549 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1539.2452 (pause 0.15) 1539.3977 1550 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1539.3977 Just 1539.6906 1551 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1539.6906 (pause 0.07) 1539.7638 1552 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1539.7638 my senior English. 1540.8195 1553 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1540.8195 (pause 0.63) 1541.4480 1554 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1541.4480 So, I went to summer school 1542.8149 1555 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1542.8149 (pause 0.31) 1543.1200 1556 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1543.1200 and the 1543.6131 1557 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1543.6131 (pause 0.37) 1543.9854 1558 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1543.9854 year- uh, my class is seventy-five, but 1546.2760 1559 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1546.2760 (pause 0.69) 1546.9656 1560 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1546.9656 in the summer 1547.6246 1561 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1547.6246 (pause 0.29) 1547.9175 1562 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1547.9175 of 1548.3629 1563 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1548.3629 (pause 0.08) 1548.4459 1564 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1548.4459 nineteen seventy-four, all I needed was English. And they was offering English 1551.9277 1565 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1551.9277 (pause 0.09) 1552.0131 1566 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1552.0131 for summer school 1553.0321 1567 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1553.0321 (pause 0.10) 1553.1359 1568 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1553.1359 so, I went to summer school, finished, got my English 1555.6014 1569 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1555.6014 (pause 0.16) 1555.7661 1570 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1555.7661 four. 1556.2543 1571 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1556.2543 (pause 0.65) 1556.9072 1572 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1556.9072 So, after the eleventh grade, I was finished with school. 1559.2464 1573 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1559.2464 (pause 0.79) 1560.0336 1574 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1560.0336 [And.] 1560.3587 1575 VLD_int_01 1560.1373 [So,] what'd you do that year? Did you work? 1561.6645 1576 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1562.0611 I worked, I continued to work at Strickland. 1564.1525 1577 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1564.1525 (pause 0.19) 1564.3470 1578 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1564.3470 After that year, you know, 1565.7539 1579 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1565.7539 (pause 0.13) 1565.8847 1580 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1565.8847 and then I just decided I wanted- 1567.3991 1581 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1567.3991 (pause 0.88) 1568.2778 1582 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1568.2778 what can else I do? I 1569.8329 1583 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1569.8329 (pause 1.64) 1571.4772 1584 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1571.4772 mm. 1572.0142 1585 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1572.0142 (pause 0.40) 1572.4170 1586 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1572.4170 I guess 1572.9113 1587 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1572.9113 (pause 0.68) 1573.5886 1588 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1573.5886 I ended up going to the- 1574.4952 1589 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1574.4952 (pause 0.09) 1574.5807 1590 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1574.5807 I went to the military. 1575.8804 1591 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1575.8804 (pause 0.48) 1576.3625 1592 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1576.3625 And uh, 1576.8629 1593 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1576.8629 (pause 0.58) 1577.4426 1594 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1577.4426 when I was in the military, I 1578.7556 1595 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1578.7556 (pause 1.01) 1579.7624 1596 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1579.7624 just started thinking about you know, wh- 1581.1049 1597 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1581.1049 (pause 0.79) 1581.8982 1598 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1581.8982 what I'd do in my future. 1583.1735 1599 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1583.1735 (pause 0.34) 1583.5153 1600 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1583.5153 And I took some classes when I was in the military. 1585.6878 1601 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1585.6878 (pause 0.28) 1585.9685 1602 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1585.9685 And then I got out of this. 1587.3598 1603 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1587.3598 (pause 0.20) 1587.5612 1604 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1587.5612 Uh, 1587.8462 1605 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1587.8462 (pause 0.92) 1588.7676 1606 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1588.7676 got married when I was in the military. 1590.4579 1607 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1590.4579 (pause 0.40) 1590.8608 1608 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1590.8608 In uh, 1591.8921 1609 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1591.8921 (pause 0.12) 1592.0081 1610 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1592.0081 after two years, and 1593.2834 1611 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1593.2834 (pause 0.34) 1593.6251 1612 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1593.6251 then I had um 1594.3635 1613 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1594.3635 (pause 0.37) 1594.7364 1614 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1594.7364 my first child, 1595.7799 1615 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1595.7799 (pause 1.02) 1596.7990 1616 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1596.7990 was born in 1597.6045 1617 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1597.6045 (pause 0.20) 1597.8058 1618 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1597.8058 nineteen seventy-nine. And. 1600.0392 1619 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1600.0392 (pause 0.89) 1600.9307 1620 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1600.9307 So, when I got out, 1601.9619 1621 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1601.9619 (pause 0.20) 1602.1572 1622 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1602.1572 I just started working, I got a job at /RD-WORK-1/. 1604.8690 1623 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1604.8690 (pause 0.66) 1605.5280 1624 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1605.5280 And I've been at /RD-WORK-1/ 1606.5592 1625 VLD_int_01 1606.7527 Ever since. 1607.3568 1626 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1607.4728 Ever [since.] 1608.2538 1627 VLD_int_01 1608.1257 [So,] let's go back cause we- that was whole lot of things you went through in that 1610.8961 1628 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1610.8961 Yeah. 1611.2256 1629 VLD_int_01 1611.2256 little two [seconds.] 1612.1596 1630 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1611.8387 [Too fast.] 1612.1743 1631 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1612.3000 [] 1613.5326 1632 VLD_int_01 1612.3000 [That little two, two minutes] right there. 1613.8621 1633 VLD_int_01 1614.2954 Okay, so you went into the military. What made you go into the military? 1617.3833 1634 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1617.7556 At the time, there was, uh 1619.4520 1635 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1619.4520 (pause 1.47) 1620.9226 1636 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1620.9226 there was no outlet. 1621.9661 1637 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1621.9661 (pause 0.64) 1622.6068 1638 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1622.6068 Cause I wasn't thinking about school. I mean, I pl- 1624.8651 1639 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1624.8651 (pause 1.01) 1625.8781 1640 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1625.8781 I- I know i probably coulda did the school work, but I just needed something real quick t- 1630.2924 1641 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1630.2924 (pause 0.18) 1630.4694 1642 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1630.4694 I mean, a- to 1631.2016 1643 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1631.2016 (pause 0.12) 1631.3237 1644 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1631.3237 to 1631.7020 1645 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1631.7020 (pause 0.09) 1631.7935 1646 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1631.7935 get something going. Cause again, I always, my thought was always about my mom, what can I do to, you know, 1636.8757 1647 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1636.8757 (pause 0.48) 1637.3602 1648 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1637.3602 assist her, financially. You know. So, I guess that the best thing 1640.9123 1649 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1640.9123 (pause 0.31) 1641.2174 1650 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1641.2174 next best thing to do that, would be 1643.0281 1651 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1643.0281 (pause 0.16) 1643.1928 1652 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1643.1928 be in the military, [you know.] 1644.4255 1653 VLD_int_01 1644.0909 [Mm-hm.] 1644.5119 1654 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1644.7795 And have a 1645.4629 1655 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1645.4629 (pause 0.34) 1645.8046 1656 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1645.8046 a job, 1646.5857 1657 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1646.5857 (pause 0.06) 1646.6467 1658 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1646.6467 I mean, 1647.1776 1659 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1647.1776 (pause 0.48) 1647.6597 1660 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1647.6597 benefits 1648.5994 1661 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1648.5994 (pause 0.16) 1648.7581 1662 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1648.7581 and so I can send my mama money, you know, to 1651.0158 1663 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1651.0158 (pause 0.27) 1651.2904 1664 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1651.2904 try to help her out. 1652.2362 1665 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1652.2362 (pause 0.12) 1652.3583 1666 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1652.3583 You know. 1652.6634 1667 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1652.6634 (pause 0.08) 1652.7427 1668 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1652.7427 So, 1653.0661 1669 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1653.0661 (pause 1.20) 1654.2622 1670 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1654.2622 that was it. 1655.0371 1671 VLD_int_01 1655.2738 Say, when'd you go into the mili- seventy-five? 1657.5438 1672 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1657.7268 Seventy-five. 1658.7233 1673 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1658.7233 (pause 0.21) 1658.9369 1674 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1658.9369 In uh, November 1660.6726 1675 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1660.6726 (pause 0.49) 1661.1607 1676 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1661.1607 the fourth, nineteen seventy-five. 1663.3636 1677 VLD_int_01 1663.6199 And how long were you in the military? 1665.0088 1678 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1665.2561 I stayed in the military four years. 1667.0196 1679 VLD_int_01 1667.2759 Four years. [Okay.] 1668.1791 1680 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1668.0021 [Mm-hm.] 1668.5147 1681 VLD_int_01 1668.6306 And so then, in two years, 1670.4452 1682 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1670.7076 Mm. 1670.9151 1683 VLD_int_01 1670.9700 you said that's when you met your wife. 1672.0562 1684 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1672.1905 [Mm-hm.] 1672.5932 1685 VLD_int_01 1672.3430 [That's] the wife you're- 1673.3071 1686 VLD_int_01 1673.6733 that's the only wife- 1674.3628 1687 VLD_int_01 1674.3628 (pause 0.17) 1674.5281 1688 VLD_int_01 1674.5281 the same wife for today? 1675.4617 1689 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1675.5289 No, not the same wife [/today/.] 1677.1080 1690 VLD_int_01 1676.6211 [This is a different one? Okay. Different one.] 1678.2477 1691 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1677.3216 [Different one. ] 1678.1753 1692 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1678.2969 [] 1678.8705 1693 VLD_int_01 1678.4739 [Just kidding.] 1678.8705 1694 VLD_int_01 1678.9499 [Different one.] 1679.4197 1695 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1679.0658 [/?/] 1679.4258 1696 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1679.5296 Yeah. 1679.7615 1697 VLD_int_01 1679.9628 Okay. 1680.3167 1698 VLD_int_01 1680.3167 (pause 0.09) 1680.4022 1699 VLD_int_01 1680.4022 So, you met your wife, and then you had your first child. 1682.8858 1700 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1682.9346 [Mm-hm.] 1683.3251 1701 VLD_int_01 1682.9773 [How many] children do you have? 1683.6851 1702 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1683.9475 I have two girls. 1684.9299 1703 VLD_int_01 1685.0459 You have two girls. Okay. 1686.1748 1704 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1686.3151 [Mm-hm.] 1686.6141 1705 VLD_int_01 1686.3151 [So, your] first daughter was born 1687.7735 1706 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1688.0542 Nineteen 1688.7072 1707 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1688.7072 (pause 0.27) 1688.9757 1708 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1688.9757 April the 1689.6164 1709 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1689.6164 (pause 0.49) 1690.1062 1710 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1690.1062 eleventh, Nineteen seventy-nine. 1692.0955 1711 VLD_int_01 1692.0955 Nineteen seventy-nine. 1692.8216 1712 VLD_int_01 1692.8216 (pause 0.13) 1692.9498 1713 VLD_int_01 1692.9498 Okay. 1693.3281 1714 VLD_int_01 1693.3281 (pause 0.19) 1693.5173 1715 VLD_int_01 1693.5173 And then [you.] 1694.0941 1716 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1693.8088 [Seventy] eight. Um, excuse me. 1694.9768 1717 VLD_int_01 1694.6839 [Seventy] eight, and then how 1695.9995 1718 VLD_int_01 1696.2375 many years is separate with your- 1697.5392 1719 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1697.9481 Seven. 1698.5094 1720 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1698.5094 (pause 0.20) 1698.7110 1721 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1698.7110 Seven years and two days. 1700.1387 1722 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1700.1387 (pause 0.13) 1700.2669 1723 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1700.2669 August the [thirteenth.] 1701.4504 1724 VLD_int_01 1701.0660 [] 1703.6350 1725 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1701.7067 [] 1703.6960 1726 VLD_int_01 1703.8547 Okay. 1704.5259 1727 VLD_int_01 1704.5259 (pause 0.17) 1704.6968 1728 VLD_int_01 1704.6968 And two days. And two days. 1706.0015 1729 VLD_int_01 1706.0015 (pause 0.57) 1706.5690 1730 VLD_int_01 1706.5690 And then, how. 1707.6186 1731 VLD_int_01 1707.6186 (pause 1.08) 1708.6986 1732 VLD_int_01 1708.6986 So, why'd you decide to leave the military? 1710.5903 1733 VLD_int_01 1710.5903 (pause 0.72) 1711.3056 1734 VLD_int_01 1711.3056 Cause of your family? 1712.0134 1735 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1712.6114 Mm. 1712.9226 1736 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1712.9226 (pause 0.16) 1713.0874 1737 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1713.0874 1713.2155 1738 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1713.2155 (pause 1.03) 1714.2442 1739 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1714.2442 Yeah, what- what really made me leave the military was 1717.1854 1740 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1717.1854 (pause 0.25) 1717.4356 1741 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1717.4356 I was 1717.8628 1742 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1717.8628 (pause 0.35) 1718.2106 1743 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1718.2106 some of the 1718.7023 1744 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1718.7023 (pause 0.73) 1719.4285 1745 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1719.4285 talking to some of the veterans in the military. 1721.7961 1746 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1721.7961 (pause 1.03) 1722.8262 1747 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1722.8262 And 1723.6439 1748 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1723.6439 (pause 0.32) 1723.9673 1749 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1723.9673 them having to go 1725.1145 1750 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1725.1145 (pause 0.20) 1725.3098 1751 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1725.3098 um, 1726.0176 1752 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1726.0176 (pause 0.92) 1726.9329 1753 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1726.9329 what they call a remote tour. 1728.3579 1754 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1728.3579 (pause 0.79) 1729.1451 1755 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1729.1451 And be separated from their 1730.6340 1756 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1730.6340 (pause 0.63) 1731.2687 1757 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1731.2687 family, 1731.8064 1758 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1731.8064 (pause 0.29) 1732.0932 1759 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1732.0932 their children, 1732.7949 1760 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1732.7949 (pause 0.90) 1733.6981 1761 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1733.6981 and that's something I didn't want, cause my daughter was just born. 1736.5991 1762 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1736.5991 (pause 0.16) 1736.7639 1763 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1736.7639 And I just couldn't fathom, you know 1738.8081 1764 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1738.8081 (pause 0.64) 1739.4488 1765 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1739.4488 being separated from her 1740.8380 1766 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1740.8380 (pause 1.07) 1741.9058 1767 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1741.9058 during the years, I mean, 1743.0874 1768 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1743.0874 (pause 0.84) 1743.9295 1769 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1743.9295 one to two years old, and lose all that 1746.2056 1770 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1746.2056 (pause 0.11) 1746.3154 1771 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1746.3154 possibly. Cause I just heard all the horror stories of- 1748.6441 1772 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1748.6441 (pause 0.11) 1748.7539 1773 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1748.7539 when they came back, 1749.8258 1774 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1749.8258 (pause 0.43) 1750.2530 1775 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1750.2530 they really didn't have no identity, with the kids, the kids really didn't know who they was, and that's a long time. Full year, I mean 1756.0477 1776 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1756.0477 (pause 0.52) 1756.5725 1777 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1756.5725 and you really can't blame the kid, because the fact they are 1759.5738 1778 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1759.5738 (pause 0.10) 1759.6714 1779 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1759.6714 you know, 1760.0741 1780 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1760.0741 (pause 0.33) 1760.4037 1781 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1760.4037 basically 1760.9225 1782 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1760.9225 (pause 0.42) 1761.3436 1783 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1761.3436 product of their surroundings, you know. 1763.0278 1784 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1763.0278 (pause 0.57) 1763.5947 1785 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1763.5947 So, um. 1764.2720 1786 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1764.2720 (pause 0.45) 1764.7175 1787 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1764.7175 I didn't wanna take that chance and I 1766.5404 1788 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1766.5404 (pause 0.29) 1766.8333 1789 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1766.8333 and then again, just thinking back to 1768.3222 1790 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1768.3222 (pause 0.44) 1768.7671 1791 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1768.7671 my relationship with my mom, you know 1770.6221 1792 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1770.6221 (pause 0.23) 1770.8479 1793 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1770.8479 I 1771.2621 1794 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1771.2621 (pause 0.18) 1771.4391 1795 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1771.4391 I jus- I just wanted to have that s- 1772.8182 1796 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1772.8182 (pause 0.19) 1773.0074 1797 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1773.0074 that same strong relationship with my children, you know. 1775.8626 1798 VLD_int_01 1776.2165 So, 1776.4972 1799 VLD_int_01 1776.4972 (pause 0.21) 1776.7047 1800 VLD_int_01 1776.7047 let's talk a little bit about- 1778.2790 1801 VLD_int_01 1778.2790 (pause 0.35) 1778.6258 1802 VLD_int_01 1778.6258 before we 1779.1689 1803 VLD_int_01 1779.1689 (pause 0.45) 1779.6144 1804 VLD_int_01 1779.6144 finish. Now, the mili- 1780.4809 1805 VLD_int_01 1780.4809 (pause 0.13) 1780.6090 1806 VLD_int_01 1780.6090 before we leave the military. 1781.7379 1807 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1781.7379 [Mm-hm.] 1782.2383 1808 VLD_int_01 1782.1529 [Tell] me a little bit about going to Texas and North Carolina. How was it- 1785.7507 1809 VLD_int_01 1785.8667 How was it? 1786.3523 1810 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1786.8222 Uh. 1787.2469 1811 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1787.2469 (pause 0.18) 1787.4239 1812 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1787.4239 Texas was when I went to uh, basic training. 1790.2254 1813 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1790.2254 (pause 0.46) 1790.6892 1814 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1790.6892 Which was- 1791.3506 1815 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1791.3506 (pause 0.10) 1791.4482 1816 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1791.4482 which was different, you know that's when you get all your instructions (laughing), you know, and then, 1795.3206 1817 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1795.3206 (pause 0.90) 1796.2238 1818 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1796.2238 and it's- 1796.6875 1819 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1796.6875 (pause 0.16) 1796.8523 1820 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1796.8523 it's all about, you know 1798.0854 1821 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1798.0854 (pause 0.13) 1798.2197 1822 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1798.2197 uh, how you- 1799.0130 1823 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1799.0130 (pause 0.32) 1799.3364 1824 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1799.3364 you know, receive it, and with my background, it 1801.7373 1825 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1801.7373 (pause 0.12) 1801.8593 1826 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1801.8593 it really wasn't that 1802.7746 1827 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1802.7746 (pause 0.38) 1803.1530 1828 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1803.1530 big of a deal with me, cause I'm 1804.6236 1829 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1804.6236 (pause 0.34) 1804.9653 1830 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1804.9653 so u- I been used to people s- 1806.7558 1831 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1806.7558 (pause 0.23) 1806.9877 1832 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1806.9877 you know, screaming 1808.2479 1833 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1808.2479 (pause 0.46) 1808.7056 1834 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1808.7056 hollering, and that kind of 1810.3714 1835 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1810.3714 (pause 0.32) 1810.6949 1836 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1810.6949 stuff, and it was, it's just a 1812.0648 1837 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1812.0648 (pause 0.50) 1812.5652 1838 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1812.5652 part of just getting you regimented, to you know, 1814.4324 1839 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1814.4324 (pause 0.30) 1814.7314 1840 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1814.7314 to make sure that you're 1815.7749 1841 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1815.7749 (pause 0.52) 1816.2923 1842 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1816.2923 actually capable 1817.5675 1843 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1817.5675 (pause 0.15) 1817.7200 1844 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1817.7200 of I guess 1818.7391 1845 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1818.7391 (pause 0.85) 1819.5873 1846 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1819.5873 receiving instructions. I guess it was more 1821.7567 1847 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1821.7567 (pause 0.13) 1821.8910 1848 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1821.8910 /gen/ around to make sure you gonna be able to receive instructions and, um, 1825.6348 1849 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1825.6348 (pause 0.41) 1826.0436 1850 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1826.0436 and move forward. 1827.0322 1851 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1827.0322 (pause 0.63) 1827.6668 1852 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1827.6668 So in my basic training- in fact, even in basic training, 1830.7466 1853 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1830.7466 (pause 0.92) 1831.6619 1854 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1831.6619 I was able to um, 1833.1800 1855 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1833.1800 (pause 0.33) 1833.5095 1856 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1833.5095 I was 1833.9916 1857 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1833.9916 (pause 0.07) 1834.0648 1858 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1834.0648 given a position as the dorm chief 1836.3025 1859 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1836.3025 (pause 0.37) 1836.6686 1860 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1836.6686 that [would be over all the s-] 1838.3389 1861 VLD_int_01 1837.0459 [] 1838.9003 1862 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1838.4915 [offic-] 1838.9003 1863 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1839.0224 over the troops, you know. 1840.3038 1864 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1840.3038 (pause 0.52) 1840.8225 1865 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1840.8225 Then, 1841.1736 1866 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1841.1736 (pause 0.11) 1841.2835 1867 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1841.2835 and I uh, 1841.9181 1868 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1841.9181 (pause 0.47) 1842.3879 1869 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1842.3879 you know, 1842.8517 1870 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1842.8517 (pause 0.20) 1843.0513 1871 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1843.0513 I wa- 1843.5456 1872 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1843.5456 (pause 0.23) 1843.7774 1873 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1843.7774 I would 1844.1558 1874 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1844.1558 (pause 0.38) 1844.5341 1875 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1844.5341 what they call our, uh, 1845.9498 1876 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1845.9498 (pause 0.22) 1846.1695 1877 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1846.1695 TIs 1846.7309 1878 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1846.7309 (pause 0.47) 1847.2043 1879 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1847.2043 technical ins- 1847.8267 1880 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1847.8267 (pause 0.20) 1848.0219 1881 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1848.0219 uh, training instructors. 1849.5048 1882 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1849.5048 (pause 0.40) 1849.9014 1883 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1849.9014 One was Hispanic 1851.2012 1884 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1851.2012 (pause 0.38) 1851.5797 1885 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1851.5797 and um, 1851.9885 1886 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1851.9885 (pause 0.16) 1852.1533 1887 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1852.1533 one was um, 1853.0930 1888 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1853.0930 (pause 0.67) 1853.7582 1889 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1853.7582 Caucasian. 1854.5514 1890 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1854.5514 (pause 0.35) 1854.9054 1891 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1854.9054 And we never seen those guys 1856.5025 1892 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1856.5025 (pause 1.18) 1857.6802 1893 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1857.6802 they w- they- we was- they would be with us during the day, 1860.8228 1894 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1860.8228 (pause 0.26) 1861.0815 1895 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1861.0815 in fact one of 'em was a, uh 1863.0464 1896 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1863.0464 (pause 0.49) 1863.5346 1897 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1863.5346 the Hispanic guy was a um 1865.6041 1898 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1865.6041 (pause 0.66) 1866.2631 1899 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1866.2631 what we call disc jockeys back then. 1868.2036 1900 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1868.2036 (pause 0.12) 1868.3256 1901 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1868.3256 You know. 1868.6124 1902 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1868.6124 (pause 0.41) 1869.0247 1903 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1869.0247 He was a disc jockey, and the other one was uh, 1871.4106 1904 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1871.4106 (pause 0.10) 1871.5083 1905 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1871.5083 I forget what else he did. 1872.6555 1906 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1872.6555 (pause 0.25) 1872.9057 1907 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1872.9057 But, you never really seen him. 1874.1993 1908 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1874.1993 (pause 0.18) 1874.3832 1909 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1874.3832 We basically on our own (laughing) in a sense, you know. 1876.9766 1910 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1876.9766 (pause 0.68) 1877.6601 1911 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1877.6601 But, uh, 1878.2032 1912 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1878.2032 (pause 0.13) 1878.3313 1913 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1878.3313 and- and they do that too just to 1880.0431 1914 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1880.0431 (pause 0.11) 1880.1530 1915 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1880.1530 they say, well, 1880.8059 1916 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1880.8059 (pause 0.43) 1881.2391 1917 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1881.2391 y'all guys doing good. We d- we don't need to babysit y'all, you know, just, no- you know what to do, 1886.0070 1918 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1886.0070 (pause 0.23) 1886.2399 1919 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1886.2399 you know when to go to lunch, you know when to come back. And- 1888.4916 1920 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1888.4916 (pause 1.07) 1889.5656 1921 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1889.5656 and uh, 1890.3284 1922 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1890.3284 (pause 0.49) 1890.8226 1923 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1890.8226 so that was definitely different. And I got a chance to after 1893.9379 1924 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1893.9379 (pause 0.21) 1894.1454 1925 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1894.1454 /dra-/ graduating from, um, 1895.7686 1926 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1895.7686 (pause 0.21) 1895.9761 1927 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1895.9761 basic training, 1896.8478 1928 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1896.8478 (pause 0.67) 1897.5130 1929 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1897.5130 I was, um, 1898.5503 1930 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1898.5503 (pause 0.39) 1898.9380 1931 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1898.9380 I was security police. That was my MO. 1901.3451 1932 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1901.3451 (pause 0.09) 1901.4305 1933 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1901.4305 That was the field I was in. In security. 1903.3919 1934 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1903.3919 (pause 0.86) 1904.2484 1935 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1904.2484 1904.2966 1936 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1904.2966 (pause 0.30) 1904.5940 1937 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1904.5940 So, um, 1905.1479 1938 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1905.1479 (pause 0.71) 1905.8558 1939 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1905.8558 my first assignment 1907.0457 1940 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1907.0457 (pause 0.17) 1907.2166 1941 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1907.2166 af- 1907.4179 1942 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1907.4179 (pause 0.17) 1907.5888 1943 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1907.5888 after went in the technical school, left Texas 1909.7545 1944 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1909.7545 (pause 0.09) 1909.8460 1945 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1909.8460 then we stayed in Texas and went to technical school 1912.2658 1946 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1912.2658 (pause 0.37) 1912.6369 1947 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1912.6369 and Lackland Air Force Base. 1914.1197 1948 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1914.1197 (pause 0.54) 1914.6567 1949 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1914.6567 And I got an assignment, I was going to, uh, 1917.6162 1950 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1917.6162 (pause 1.97) 1919.5815 1951 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1919.5815 South Dakota. 1920.5029 1952 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1920.5029 (pause 1.04) 1921.5464 1953 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1921.5464 Ellsworth, South Dakota. 1923.0109 1954 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1923.0109 (pause 0.96) 1923.9718 1955 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1923.9718 And so, 1924.6003 1956 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1924.6003 (pause 1.18) 1925.7839 1957 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1925.7839 this other guy was going to, uh, 1928.0356 1958 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1928.0356 (pause 2.17) 1930.2012 1959 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1930.2012 uh, which country was that? 1931.5375 1960 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1931.5375 (pause 0.16) 1931.6962 1961 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1931.6962 Um. 1932.3857 1962 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1932.3857 (pause 2.93) 1935.3117 1963 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1935.3117 Not the Philippines. 1936.6481 1964 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1936.6481 (pause 1.00) 1937.6525 1965 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1937.6525 I forget the name of the country he was going to. 1939.7638 1966 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1939.7638 (pause 0.62) 1940.3802 1967 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1940.3802 So, we s- we changed 1941.8779 1968 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1941.8779 (pause 0.22) 1942.0976 1969 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1942.0976 orders. 1942.6895 1970 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1942.6895 (pause 1.40) 1944.0869 1971 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1944.0869 And I said, well I- 1944.8009 1972 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1944.8009 (pause 0.13) 1944.9351 1973 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1944.9351 I'd like to leave the country, I mean I- 1946.8727 1974 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1946.8727 (pause 0.12) 1946.9886 1975 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1946.9886 I would like that experience, you know? 1948.5996 1976 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1948.5996 (pause 0.83) 1949.4289 1977 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1949.4289 Instead of going up there in all that cold. 1951.3877 1978 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1951.3877 (pause 0.18) 1951.5708 1979 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1951.5708 And he said, you'll swap with me? And I said, uh, 1953.9134 1980 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1953.9134 (pause 0.21) 1954.1270 1981 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1954.1270 yeah. So we s- 1954.9874 1982 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1954.9874 (pause 0.42) 1955.4115 1983 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1955.4115 we got 1955.8448 1984 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1955.8448 (pause 0.70) 1956.5465 1985 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1956.5465 we went over to baseops 1957.9317 1986 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1957.9317 (pause 0.12) 1958.0476 1987 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1958.0476 and they switched our orders, and I was gonna 1959.9637 1988 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1959.9637 (pause 0.35) 1960.3115 1989 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1960.3115 go, uh, 1961.0332 1990 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1961.0332 (pause 0.42) 1961.4543 1991 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1961.4543 1961.5336 1992 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1961.5336 (pause 0.18) 1961.7105 1993 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1961.7105 out of the country and he was going to go to Ellsworth. 1963.7426 1994 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1963.7426 (pause 0.49) 1964.2368 1995 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1964.2368 And that was right before 1965.5391 1996 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1965.5391 (pause 0.98) 1966.5213 1997 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1966.5213 the 1967.3207 1998 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1967.3207 (pause 0.39) 1967.7112 1999 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1967.7112 Vietnam War ended. 1968.9439 2000 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1968.9439 (pause 0.15) 1969.0903 2001 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1969.0903 When they signed the peace treaty. 1970.5800 2002 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1970.5800 (pause 0.82) 1971.4038 2003 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1971.4038 And that's was eliminated me from having to- 1973.4602 2004 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1973.4602 (pause 0.28) 1973.7409 2005 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1973.7409 being able to go outside of the United States. 1976.1683 2006 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1976.1683 (pause 0.44) 1976.6077 2007 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1976.6077 And I ended up getting as- 1977.7458 2008 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1977.7458 (pause 0.15) 1977.8983 2009 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1977.8983 my orders at what they call red line. 1980.0096 2010 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1980.0096 (pause 0.21) 1980.2171 2011 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1980.2171 They red lined my orders, and I ended up having to go to North Carolina. 1983.7203 2012 VLD_int_01 1984.7332 Where were you in North Carolina? 1985.8476 2013 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1986.2442 I was in Goldsboro. Goldsboro is- 1988.7504 2014 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1988.7504 (pause 0.19) 1988.9396 2015 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1988.9396 North Carolina is about 1990.0624 2016 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1990.0624 (pause 0.18) 1990.2454 2017 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1990.2454 fifty miles 1991.2043 2018 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1991.2043 (pause 1.25) 1992.4553 2019 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1992.4553 east 1992.9373 2020 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1992.9373 (pause 0.52) 1993.4621 2021 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1993.4621 according of what direction of what you're going in, from Charlotte, North- I mean from uh, 1996.6605 2022 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1996.6605 (pause 1.21) 1997.8748 2023 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1997.8748 not Charlotte. Ch- Charlotte's probably 1999.7098 2024 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1999.7098 (pause 0.10) 1999.8074 2025 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 1999.8074 two hours. 2000.5580 2026 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2000.5580 (pause 0.24) 2000.7960 2027 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2000.7960 But, Rocky 2001.6930 2028 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2001.6930 (pause 0.10) 2001.7967 2029 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2001.7967 I mean, um, 2002.6327 2030 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2002.6327 (pause 0.41) 2003.0471 2031 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2003.0471 s- 2003.4010 2032 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2003.4010 (pause 0.18) 2003.5780 2033 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2003.5780 call it, uh, 2004.2858 2034 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2004.2858 (pause 1.74) 2006.0246 2035 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2006.0246 Not Rocky Fort, uh 2007.5200 2036 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2007.5200 (pause 0.16) 2007.6786 2037 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2007.6786 what's the, 2008.1725 2038 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2008.1725 (pause 0.27) 2008.4471 2039 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2008.4471 where Chapel Hill at? 2009.5089 2040 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2009.5089 (pause 0.65) 2010.1557 2041 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2010.1557 Um. 2010.5340 2042 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2010.5340 (pause 1.05) 2011.5849 2043 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2011.5849 It's about [fifty miles.] 2012.5979 2044 VLD_int_01 2012.1910 [Mount.] 2012.4961 2045 VLD_int_01 2012.6955 Rocky Mount. 2013.4766 2046 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2013.6596 Rocky Mount. I mean, Rocky Mount 2015.4099 2047 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2015.4099 (pause 0.23) 2015.6418 2048 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2015.6418 is famous for furniture. 2017.3748 2049 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2017.3748 (pause 0.52) 2017.8996 2050 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2017.8996 But, Chapel Hill 2018.9247 2051 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2018.9247 (pause 0.21) 2019.1382 2052 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2019.1382 where the Caroli- I mean, where the Carolina Tar Heels, [um.] 2021.5170 2053 VLD_int_01 2021.2913 [Mm-hm.] 2021.7916 2054 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2022.3103 It's about fifty [miles from there.] 2023.7823 2055 VLD_int_01 2023.4531 [From there,] okay. 2024.0450 2056 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2024.0206 Yeah. 2024.3131 2057 VLD_int_01 2024.4050 [So,] 2024.8138 2058 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2024.4656 [Mm.] 2024.8134 2059 VLD_int_01 2024.9115 ninety five? 2025.9488 2060 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2026.0282 Ninety five. 2026.6689 2061 VLD_int_01 2026.6689 Yep. Okay. 2027.2913 2062 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2027.4743 Yeah, you going up ninety five, you get to uh, Goldsboro, then you 2030.8310 2063 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2030.8310 (pause 0.17) 2030.9989 2064 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2030.9989 go on about fifty miles on up, 2032.7362 2065 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2032.7362 (pause 0.07) 2032.8034 2066 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2032.8034 get up 2033.2366 2067 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2033.2366 (pause 0.08) 2033.3159 2068 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2033.3159 to um, 2034.0085 2069 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2034.0085 (pause 1.58) 2035.5865 2070 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2035.5865 like it's right on the tip of my tongue, I can't think of the name of the town. 2038.4483 2071 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2038.4483 (pause 0.25) 2038.6955 2072 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2038.6955 Uh. 2039.1044 2073 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2039.1044 (pause 0.98) 2040.0838 2074 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2040.0838 By the- 2040.3340 2075 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2040.3340 (pause 0.12) 2040.4508 2076 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2040.4508 my s- 2040.8461 2077 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2040.8461 (pause 0.96) 2041.8086 2078 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2041.8086 it's fifty miles from there. [] 2043.8882 2079 VLD_int_01 2043.0347 [Fifty. Okay.] 2043.8882 2080 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2043.9981 Yeah. 2044.2330 2081 VLD_int_01 2044.7120 And so, you went there. How- how long were you in North Carolina? 2046.9582 2082 VLD_int_01 2046.9582 (pause 0.08) 2047.0406 2083 VLD_int_01 2047.0406 That was two years? 2047.9291 2084 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2048.0451 I was in North Carolina 2049.2759 2085 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2049.2759 (pause 0.31) 2049.5871 2086 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2049.5871 uh, 2050.2369 2087 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2050.2369 (pause 0.52) 2050.7526 2088 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2050.7526 about a little over three years, after 2052.2214 2089 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2052.2214 (pause 0.10) 2052.3220 2090 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2052.3220 tech school. 2053.0420 2091 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2053.0420 (pause 0.36) 2053.3990 2092 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2053.3990 After basic training and technical school. 2055.1803 2093 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2055.1803 (pause 0.33) 2055.5070 2094 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2055.5070 Mm-hm. 2055.7999 2095 VLD_int_01 2056.0074 So, did you meet your wife 2056.9776 2096 VLD_int_01 2056.9776 (pause 0.09) 2057.0691 2097 VLD_int_01 2057.0691 there? Or in [Texas?] 2058.1187 2098 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2057.8929 [No.] She's from Valdosta. 2059.0951 2099 VLD_int_01 2059.0951 Oh, you had already met- y'all were already [married] 2060.8368 2100 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2060.7697 [Mm-hm.] 2061.1297 2101 VLD_int_01 2061.1297 when you went into the mi- but she traveled with you. 2062.8688 2102 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2062.8688 Mm-hm. 2063.3997 2103 VLD_int_01 2063.5004 Okay. 2063.9276 2104 VLD_int_01 2063.9276 (pause 0.22) 2064.1499 2105 VLD_int_01 2064.1499 And so, y'all were in North Carolina. How was North Carolina? 2066.1712 2106 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2066.6289 It was good. 2067.3551 2107 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2067.3551 (pause 0.11) 2067.4649 2108 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2067.4649 I li- I met one of the best friends, I c- still got a life time friend I met, 2071.5513 2109 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2071.5513 (pause 0.18) 2071.7283 2110 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2071.7283 um. 2072.2653 2111 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2072.2653 (pause 1.23) 2073.4981 2112 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2073.4981 Back in nineteen-seventy seven, we still friends. 2076.4467 2113 VLD_int_01 2076.7946 Hm. 2077.1058 2114 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2077.3865 Mm-hm. 2077.8502 2115 VLD_int_01 2078.4849 And then you came back to- 2080.3226 2116 VLD_int_01 2080.3226 (pause 0.20) 2080.5211 2117 VLD_int_01 2080.5211 after that, that's when you 2081.4486 2118 VLD_int_01 2081.4486 (pause 0.10) 2081.5462 2119 VLD_int_01 2081.5462 then that's when 2082.3151 2120 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2082.4371 [I.] 2082.9192 2121 VLD_int_01 2082.4554 [You decided] to leave because you didn't want to [be having] this [remote] 2086.0120 2122 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2084.2051 [Right] 2084.6322 2123 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2084.6322 (pause 0.73) 2085.3651 2124 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2085.3651 [Mm.] 2086.0059 2125 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2086.2094 [Mm-hm.] 2086.6244 2126 VLD_int_01 2086.4474 duty. 2086.7098 2127 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2086.6976 /?/ [Mm-hm.] 2087.5275 2128 VLD_int_01 2087.3872 [Okay.] And then you came back to Valdosta. 2089.2605 2129 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2089.2605 Mm-hm. 2089.7304 2130 VLD_int_01 2090.0538 And then at that point, you said, I'm just gonna 2091.8924 2131 VLD_int_01 2091.8924 (pause 0.28) 2092.1731 2132 VLD_int_01 2092.1731 work? 2092.6307 2133 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2092.7162 Work. Mm-hm. 2093.6254 2134 VLD_int_01 2094.0551 And so, 2094.5834 2135 VLD_int_01 2094.5834 (pause 0.79) 2095.3706 2136 VLD_int_01 2095.3706 what happened when you 2096.4995 2137 VLD_int_01 2096.4995 (pause 0.12) 2096.6215 2138 VLD_int_01 2096.6215 came back, how did you- did you work your way up at /RD-WORK-1/? 2099.1356 2139 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2099.1356 Yeah. Mm-hm. 2100.0875 2140 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2100.2523 I- 2100.5391 2141 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2100.5391 (pause 0.09) 2100.6306 2142 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2100.6306 in fact what I 2101.4422 2143 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2101.4422 (pause 1.15) 2102.5955 2144 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2102.5955 what I do now, and it gr- 2104.1474 2145 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2104.1474 (pause 0.17) 2104.3183 2146 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2104.3183 what I do now, I do at 2105.6180 2147 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2105.6180 (pause 0.16) 2105.7828 2148 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2105.7828 it's the same thing I do, only now, I'm just 2107.7078 2149 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2107.7078 (pause 0.24) 2107.9519 2150 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2107.9519 in charge of it all. 2109.0930 2151 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2109.0930 (pause 0.46) 2109.5507 2152 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2109.5507 [] 2110.5588 2153 VLD_int_01 2109.5507 [] 2110.5588 2154 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2110.9372 I start off as a shipping clerk. 2112.7434 2155 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2112.7434 (pause 0.45) 2113.1927 2156 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2113.1927 And uh, i- d- g- the person that hired me 2115.4138 2157 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2115.4138 (pause 0.15) 2115.5603 2158 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2115.5603 actually was one of the people 2116.9638 2159 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2116.9638 (pause 0.82) 2117.7876 2160 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2117.7876 that moved /RD-WORK-1/ from the 2119.6060 2161 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2119.6060 (pause 0.27) 2119.8806 2162 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2119.8806 when they was i- 2120.3246 2163 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2120.3246 (pause 0.14) 2120.4649 2164 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2120.4649 /RD-WORK-1/ was originally was in New Jersey. 2122.7666 2165 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2122.7666 (pause 0.11) 2122.8764 2166 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2122.8764 Called /RD-WORK-2/ in- 2124.0663 2167 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2124.0663 (pause 0.10) 2124.1628 2168 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2124.1628 industries. 2124.9594 2169 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2124.9594 (pause 0.16) 2125.1180 2170 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2125.1180 So, they moved 2125.7648 2171 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2125.7648 (pause 0.24) 2126.0028 2172 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2126.0028 south 2126.6008 2173 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2126.6008 (pause 0.78) 2127.3819 2174 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2127.3819 and built /RD-WORK-1/. Now, /RD-WORK-1/ is a 2130.0982 2175 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2130.0982 (pause 0.12) 2130.2142 2176 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2130.2142 is a French 2131.0013 2177 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2131.0013 (pause 1.09) 2132.0936 2178 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2132.0936 company. 2132.6428 2179 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2132.6428 (pause 0.53) 2133.1721 2180 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2133.1721 Uh, 2133.4711 2181 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2133.4711 (pause 0.13) 2133.5993 2182 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2133.5993 the French company 2134.7282 2183 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2134.7282 (pause 0.27) 2134.9967 2184 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2134.9967 the original 2135.6130 2185 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2135.6130 (pause 0.09) 2135.6984 2186 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2135.6984 uh, company's in Bordeaux, France. 2137.6206 2187 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2137.6206 (pause 0.92) 2138.5359 2188 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2138.5359 In 2139.0546 2189 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2139.0546 (pause 0.34) 2139.3902 2190 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2139.3902 this year we- last year we 2140.8079 2191 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2140.8079 (pause 0.24) 2141.0458 2192 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2141.0458 celebrated a hundred years in existence. 2143.3158 2193 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2143.3158 (pause 0.30) 2143.6148 2194 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2143.6148 [As a.] 2143.9871 2195 VLD_int_01 2143.6148 [So. what] do you ship? 2144.5253 2196 VLD_int_01 2144.6290 What- what do you [make?] 2145.5992 2197 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2145.3918 [We-] 2145.6969 2198 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2145.8338 we make, uh 2147.0908 2199 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2147.0908 (pause 0.46) 2147.5485 2200 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2147.5485 aviation batteries for all 2149.2786 2201 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2149.2786 (pause 0.12) 2149.4006 2202 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2149.4006 like [Boeing,] 2150.1329 2203 VLD_int_01 2149.6773 [Oh.] 2150.2509 2204 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2150.2610 Aircraft, 2151.0909 2205 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2151.0909 (pause 1.12) 2152.2137 2206 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2152.2137 Golfstream Aircrafts. 2153.9793 2207 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2153.9793 (pause 0.23) 2154.2112 2208 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2154.2112 Uh. We make military, um 2156.8764 2209 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2156.8764 (pause 0.30) 2157.1795 2210 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2157.1795 2157.2721 2211 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2157.2721 (pause 0.10) 2157.3722 2212 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2157.3722 batteries and components. 2159.0243 2213 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2159.0243 (pause 0.31) 2159.3355 2214 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2159.3355 We make 2160.0861 2215 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2160.0861 (pause 1.32) 2161.4051 2216 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2161.4051 Bell South, AT&T, 2163.3798 2217 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2163.3798 (pause 0.11) 2163.4896 2218 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2163.4896 uh, Verizon type batteries for the backup 2166.1503 2219 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2166.1503 (pause 0.38) 2166.5287 2220 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2166.5287 systems 2167.4196 2221 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2167.4196 (pause 0.10) 2167.5178 2222 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2167.5178 for power units. 2168.8175 2223 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2168.8175 (pause 0.14) 2168.9579 2224 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2168.9579 We build 2169.7817 2225 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2169.7817 (pause 0.59) 2170.3736 2226 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2170.3736 batteries for the New York City Transit, 2172.5540 2227 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2172.5540 (pause 0.14) 2172.6943 2228 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2172.6943 uh, 2173.2924 2229 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2173.2924 (pause 0.20) 2173.4876 2230 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2173.4876 trolley cars out in 2174.7935 2231 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2174.7935 (pause 0.18) 2174.9704 2232 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2174.9704 California. 2175.8844 2233 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2175.8844 (pause 0.09) 2175.9698 2234 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2175.9698 We build for 2176.8547 2235 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2176.8547 (pause 0.63) 2177.4893 2236 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2177.4893 Bombardier trains 2178.9294 2237 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2178.9294 (pause 0.38) 2179.3045 2238 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2179.3045 and 2179.8232 2239 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2179.8232 (pause 0.79) 2180.6164 2240 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2180.6164 busses 2181.2784 2241 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2181.2784 (pause 0.13) 2181.4082 2242 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2181.4082 Mm-hm. 2181.7937 2243 VLD_int_01 2182.6084 So, this is like 2183.4444 2244 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2183.8959 [Mm.] 2184.1156 2245 VLD_int_01 2183.8959 [high] end [stuff.] 2184.9577 2246 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2184.4939 [Indu-] 2184.9455 2247 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2185.0614 Yeah. [Industrial] type. 2186.2330 2248 VLD_int_01 2185.4520 [/?/] 2185.7510 2249 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2186.3978 Yeah, yeah. 2187.1178 2250 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2187.1178 (pause 0.82) 2187.9416 2251 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2187.9416 [Mm-hm.] 2188.1816 2252 VLD_int_01 2187.9416 [And] how many people 2188.9321 2253 VLD_int_01 2189.1884 work? 2189.6766 2254 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2190.7262 Um. 2191.5011 2255 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2191.5011 (pause 0.26) 2191.7574 2256 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2191.7574 2191.8734 2257 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2191.8734 (pause 0.43) 2192.3066 2258 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2192.3066 At /RD-WORK-1/ as a whole in Valdosta? 2194.1893 2259 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2194.1893 (pause 0.21) 2194.4029 2260 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2194.4029 probably about 2194.9869 2261 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2194.9869 (pause 0.09) 2195.0723 2262 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2195.0723 t- between two fifty and three hundred, once you look at office 2198.2393 2263 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2198.2393 (pause 0.29) 2198.5261 2264 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2198.5261 and um, 2199.5024 2265 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2199.5024 (pause 0.69) 2200.1875 2266 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2200.1875 salary and hourly employees. [Mm-hm.] 2202.2501 2267 VLD_int_01 2202.0670 [And] how many people work under you? 2203.4522 2268 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2203.8610 Uh, five. 2204.6389 2269 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2204.6389 (pause 0.29) 2204.9257 2270 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2204.9257 Mm-hm. 2205.3406 2271 VLD_int_01 2205.7678 And you're like the whole shipping? 2207.4462 2272 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2207.5561 Mm-hm. 2208.1480 2273 VLD_int_01 2208.9718 Wow. 2209.3196 2274 VLD_int_01 2209.3196 (pause 0.37) 2209.6918 2275 VLD_int_01 2209.6918 Y'all do all the logistics of shipping? 2211.9666 2276 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2212.1374 N- the- 2212.5768 2277 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2212.5768 (pause 0.20) 2212.7747 2278 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2212.7747 shipping, receiving, and 2214.4258 2279 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2214.4258 (pause 0.09) 2214.5174 2280 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2214.5174 pulling the parts for the components to be built, mm-hm. 2217.4647 2281 VLD_int_01 2218.9530 Sound a lot of work for five people. 2220.7410 2282 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2221.4061 Mm. Not really. 2222.8279 2283 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2222.8279 (pause 0.18) 2223.0048 2284 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2223.0048 Cau- cause I mean, we just do the actual 2225.2260 2285 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2225.2260 (pause 0.18) 2225.4091 2286 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2225.4091 pulling the 2225.8545 2287 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2225.8545 (pause 1.07) 2226.9285 2288 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2226.9285 pulling the parts and stuff. As far as the shipping, 2229.3721 2289 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2229.3721 (pause 0.20) 2229.5735 2290 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2229.5735 and uh, l- receiving, we just receive the goods in, and somebody else inspect them. We just have to make sure what we receiving 2235.6936 2291 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2235.6936 (pause 0.65) 2236.3404 2292 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2236.3404 and 2236.8286 2293 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2236.8286 (pause 0.55) 2237.3778 2294 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2237.3778 lot of the- the product 2238.5674 2295 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2238.5674 (pause 0.25) 2238.8176 2296 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2238.8176 this one 2239.4339 2297 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2239.4339 (pause 0.39) 2239.8245 2298 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2239.8245 one of the areas 2240.8435 2299 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2240.8435 (pause 0.96) 2241.8016 2300 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2241.8016 is more- 2242.4533 2301 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2242.4533 (pause 0.21) 2242.6594 2302 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2242.6594 two of the areas is more just like administrative type, and just 2245.6189 2303 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2245.6189 (pause 0.17) 2245.7898 2304 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2245.7898 not actually packing. 2247.0290 2305 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2247.0290 (pause 0.34) 2247.3708 2306 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2247.3708 Cause those department actually pack it up. 2249.2319 2307 VLD_int_01 2249.7230 Oh, okay. 2250.2355 2308 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2250.7176 The aviation part, 2251.7550 2309 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2251.7550 (pause 0.27) 2252.0235 2310 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2252.0235 we actually 2252.6596 2311 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2252.6596 (pause 0.15) 2252.8061 2312 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2252.8061 pack that part up, cause you dealing with individual batteries and stuff, but 2256.5345 2313 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2256.5345 (pause 0.79) 2257.3216 2314 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2257.3216 the other parts 2258.3375 2315 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2258.3375 (pause 0.21) 2258.5450 2316 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2258.5450 they're packaged, but they're packaged off a line. Where as the aviation, you ha- 2262.2704 2317 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2262.2704 (pause 0.09) 2262.3559 2318 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2262.3559 it goes through the FAA. 2264.0980 2319 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2264.0980 (pause 0.51) 2264.6045 2320 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2264.6045 So, they have to be inspected 2266.0572 2321 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2266.0572 (pause 0.19) 2266.2463 2322 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2266.2463 and you got to make sure you 2267.6498 2323 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2267.6498 (pause 0.27) 2267.9244 2324 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2267.9244 got each boxes serialized separate to make sure you got the right batteries and all that stuff. So, it's a little 2272.9359 2325 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2272.9359 (pause 0.24) 2273.1800 2326 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2273.1800 little more [complex.] 2274.2967 2327 VLD_int_01 2273.9306 [That's] a lot. 2274.7073 2328 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2274.9026 Yeah. 2275.2626 2329 VLD_int_01 2275.7630 So, who. 2276.7840 2330 VLD_int_01 2276.7840 (pause 0.10) 2276.8816 2331 VLD_int_01 2276.8816 Okay. So, now you've been there what, say thirty eight years? 2279.1699 2332 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2279.1699 Mm-hm. 2279.6093 2333 VLD_int_01 2279.6825 What's your plan? 2280.4453 2334 VLD_int_01 2280.4453 (pause 0.50) 2280.9457 2335 VLD_int_01 2280.9457 Another how many years? 2282.3915 2336 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2283.1281 Uh. About f- f- four years maybe. Four to five years. 2286.5043 2337 VLD_int_01 2286.6914 And then what's after that? 2287.7104 2338 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2289.0956 Just traveling. 2289.9647 2339 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2289.9647 (pause 0.32) 2290.2881 2340 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2290.2881 N- just having a good [time. (laughing)] 2292.1415 2341 VLD_int_01 2291.7205 [Where you] wanna go? 2292.5321 2342 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2293.8952 Uh. 2294.5885 2343 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2294.5885 (pause 0.41) 2294.9999 2344 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2294.9999 Anywhere. 2295.4916 2345 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2295.4916 (pause 0.13) 2295.6259 2346 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2295.6259 Cause I mean, I travel a lot now. 2297.3162 2347 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2297.3162 (pause 0.12) 2297.4382 2348 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2297.4382 But I just, um, 2298.6304 2349 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2298.6304 (pause 0.54) 2299.1751 2350 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2299.1751 2299.2678 2351 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2299.2678 (pause 0.32) 2299.5866 2352 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2299.5866 for my sixty third birthday, 2301.8829 2353 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2301.8829 (pause 0.87) 2302.7555 2354 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2302.7555 I 2303.2070 2355 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2303.2070 (pause 0.37) 2303.5731 2356 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2303.5731 plan on going to Hawaii. 2304.8944 2357 VLD_int_01 2306.0233 Mkay. 2306.4566 2358 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2306.8349 And my favorite 2307.9517 2359 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2307.9517 (pause 0.24) 2308.1957 2360 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2308.1957 travel place now is, I like New York. 2310.4596 2361 VLD_int_01 2311.1370 Why New York? 2312.1847 2362 VLD_int_01 2312.1847 (pause 0.44) 2312.6241 2363 VLD_int_01 2312.6241 I don't [like] New York. 2313.7896 2364 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2312.8377 [A-] 2313.0073 2365 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2314.0093 I like goin- I like Manhattan. 2316.1499 2366 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2316.1499 (pause 0.29) 2316.4428 2367 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2316.4428 Uh, I like Times Square. 2318.2621 2368 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2318.2621 (pause 0.20) 2318.4574 2369 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2318.4574 Um. 2319.0127 2370 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2319.0127 (pause 0.21) 2319.2206 2371 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2319.2206 I like- 2319.7144 2372 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2319.7144 (pause 0.46) 2320.1701 2373 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2320.1701 I like the Yankees 2321.3417 2374 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2321.3417 (pause 0.28) 2321.6179 2375 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2321.6179 Uh. 2322.1472 2376 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2322.1472 (pause 0.81) 2322.9602 2377 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2322.9602 And I like um, 2324.0187 2378 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2324.0187 (pause 0.82) 2324.8364 2379 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2324.8364 plays. 2325.5199 2380 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2325.5199 (pause 1.17) 2326.6915 2381 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2326.6915 Broadway Plays. 2327.5995 2382 VLD_int_01 2327.9352 Where did you go- when you- When's the last time you been to New York? 2330.1502 2383 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2330.6274 Last year. 2331.3218 2384 VLD_int_01 2331.4256 What'd you see? 2331.9626 2385 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2332.6151 2332.7250 2386 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2332.7250 (pause 0.25) 2332.9779 2387 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2332.9779 I went to see, um, 2334.5983 2388 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2334.5983 (pause 0.78) 2335.3794 2389 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2335.3794 the play of The Yankees. 2336.6547 2390 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2336.6547 (pause 0.20) 2336.8574 2391 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2336.8574 I went [to-] 2337.5165 2392 VLD_int_01 2337.3138 [I don't] care about the [Yankees. ] 2340.1282 2393 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2338.6270 [] 2339.6888 2394 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2340.3579 I went to see uh, 2341.5033 2395 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2341.5033 (pause 0.25) 2341.7491 2396 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2341.7491 . I can't name. 2342.5730 2397 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2342.5730 (pause 0.16) 2342.7378 2398 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2342.7378 It's a 2343.2198 2399 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2343.2198 (pause 0.26) 2343.4822 2400 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2343.4822 remake of 2344.2121 2401 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2344.2121 (pause 0.47) 2344.6796 2402 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2344.6796 The Wiz? 2345.3996 2403 VLD_int_01 2345.6742 Mm-hm. 2346.0892 2404 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2346.1258 Mm-hm. 2346.4273 2405 VLD_int_01 2346.4248 Was it good? 2346.9679 2406 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2346.9679 Yeah. 2347.2913 2407 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2348.3634 And I went to see 2350.1101 2408 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2350.1101 (pause 0.50) 2350.6062 2409 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2350.6062 2350.7423 2410 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2350.7423 (pause 0.41) 2351.1490 2411 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2351.1490 I saw Gladys Knight 2352.5319 2412 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2352.5319 (pause 0.22) 2352.7558 2413 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2352.7558 and the O'Jays 2353.7305 2414 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2353.7305 (pause 0.16) 2353.8891 2415 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2353.8891 in concert 2354.7232 2416 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2354.7232 (pause 0.48) 2355.2018 2417 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2355.2018 one night. 2355.7725 2418 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2355.7725 (pause 0.52) 2356.2893 2419 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2356.2893 [Mm-hm.] 2356.6186 2420 VLD_int_01 2356.5395 [So,] you're get around. 2357.7644 2421 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2357.8566 Mm-hm. 2358.2298 2422 VLD_int_01 2358.2298 So, you wanna go to Hawaii. Where's another place that you've said, you know what, when I retire, I'm going to this place? 2362.9773 2423 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2363.7676 Uh. 2364.3076 2424 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2364.3076 (pause 0.10) 2364.4042 2425 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2364.4042 Thinking about Alaska. 2365.5898 2426 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2365.5898 (pause 0.63) 2366.2176 2427 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2366.2176 Just take a cruise to Alaska. 2367.7586 2428 VLD_int_01 2367.7586 I have been wanting to do that. 2368.9044 2429 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2369.0625 [Mm-hm.] 2369.4400 2430 VLD_int_01 2369.1591 [Like it's] on my list. 2370.1952 2431 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2370.3210 [Mm-hm.] 2370.7527 2432 VLD_int_01 2370.6254 [Have] you s- 2370.9971 2433 VLD_int_01 2371.1859 so, have you been out of the country? 2372.3449 2434 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2372.9025 Yeah, I've been, um 2374.5975 2435 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2374.5975 (pause 0.75) 2375.3482 2436 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2375.3482 several cruises. I went to Mexico 2377.7481 2437 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2377.7481 (pause 0.33) 2378.0773 2438 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2378.0773 and the [Baha-] 2378.8061 2439 VLD_int_01 2378.4154 [Did you like] it? 2379.1793 2440 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2379.3505 Yeah. 2379.7017 2441 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2379.7017 (pause 0.20) 2379.8993 2442 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2379.8993 Took a seven day cruise 2381.1402 2443 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2381.1402 (pause 1.08) 2382.2202 2444 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2382.2202 Mexico. Then I took a cruise to um, 2384.8720 2445 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2384.8720 (pause 0.78) 2385.6534 2446 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2385.6534 Puerto Rico, Haiti, and um, 2387.8997 2447 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2387.8997 (pause 0.63) 2388.5319 2448 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2388.5319 Saint Thomas. 2389.4407 2449 VLD_int_01 2390.1344 2390.2485 2450 VLD_int_01 2390.2485 (pause 0.25) 2390.5032 2451 VLD_int_01 2390.5032 I want you to go to Cape Town. 2392.3368 2452 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2392.3895 Mm-hm. 2392.7539 2453 VLD_int_01 2392.9470 Like, well, any part of South Africa. But, especially Cape Town. 2395.6646 2454 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2395.7920 Mm. 2395.9105 2455 VLD_int_01 2396.3715 Amazing. So beautiful. 2398.0003 2456 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2398.1056 [Mm-hm.] 2398.4905 2457 VLD_int_01 2398.2797 [You have] to go. 2399.0612 2458 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2399.5090 We have um. 2400.2054 2459 VLD_int_01 2400.5303 That's a long flight though. 2401.4435 2460 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2401.5708 My wife 2402.1810 2461 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2402.1810 (pause 0.24) 2402.4225 2462 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2402.4225 went to VSU with uh, 2404.0196 2463 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2404.0196 (pause 0.40) 2404.4191 2464 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2404.4191 with a student, her name is /RD-NAME-3/ 2406.4738 2465 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2406.4738 (pause 0.65) 2407.1279 2466 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2407.1279 and she was from Mo- 2408.0982 2467 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2408.0982 (pause 0.21) 2408.3089 2468 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2408.3089 Mozambique. 2409.1606 2469 VLD_int_01 2409.4576 Mm-hm. 2409.8220 2470 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2410.1250 And she's been- 2411.0908 2471 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2411.0908 (pause 0.26) 2411.3499 2472 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2411.3499 she's invited us to come 2412.8689 2473 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2412.8689 (pause 0.07) 2412.9348 2474 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2412.9348 to Africa, and we 2413.8567 2475 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2413.8567 (pause 0.12) 2413.9753 2476 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2413.9753 think 2414.2167 2477 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2414.2167 (pause 0.11) 2414.3265 2478 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2414.3265 we gon- we gonna make it. 2415.5718 2479 VLD_int_01 2415.6991 [Go.] 2415.9889 2480 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2415.7386 [/?/] 2415.9757 2481 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2416.0767 We gonna go. 2416.7308 2482 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2416.7308 (pause 0.07) 2416.8011 2483 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2416.8011 Cause [she um.] 2417.7011 2484 VLD_int_01 2417.1172 [Go.] 2417.5386 2485 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2418.1094 She was the smartest thing in the world. I mean, as far as math. 2421.2645 2486 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2421.2645 (pause 0.11) 2421.3742 2487 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2421.3742 And uh. 2421.9757 2488 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2421.9757 (pause 0.77) 2422.7484 2489 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2422.7484 And she helped my wife a lot. 2424.0743 2490 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2424.0743 (pause 0.10) 2424.1752 2491 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2424.1752 You know, 2424.5396 2492 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2424.5396 (pause 0.16) 2424.6977 2493 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2424.6977 to get through 2425.3738 2494 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2425.3738 (pause 0.10) 2425.4748 2495 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2425.4748 math. 2425.9533 2496 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2425.9533 (pause 0.97) 2426.9220 2497 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2426.9220 And 2427.3523 2498 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2427.3523 (pause 0.36) 2427.7123 2499 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2427.7123 more or less, she started calling me daddy [/RD-NAME-1/ and mama /RD-NAME-2/. (laughing) So.] 2431.7294 2500 VLD_int_01 2430.7591 [] 2432.2387 2501 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2432.4055 Her parents came over. In fact, 2434.0503 2502 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2434.0503 (pause 0.15) 2434.2040 2503 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2434.2040 when she got ready to move, 2435.4234 2504 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2435.4234 (pause 0.16) 2435.5858 2505 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2435.5858 um, 2436.0688 2506 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2436.0688 (pause 0.20) 2436.2674 2507 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2436.2674 my 2436.4035 2508 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2436.4035 (pause 0.08) 2436.4842 2509 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2436.4842 company allowed me to um, 2438.1289 2510 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2438.1289 (pause 0.32) 2438.4461 2511 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2438.4461 pack her stuff up 2439.4778 2512 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2439.4778 (pause 0.27) 2439.7467 2513 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2439.7467 [and uh,] 2440.4009 2514 VLD_int_01 2439.8367 [ Mm.] 2440.4009 2515 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2440.5084 ship it over to Africa. Yeah. 2442.4461 2516 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2442.4461 (pause 0.51) 2442.9538 2517 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2442.9538 At a discount. On the company's discount. 2445.2850 2518 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2445.2850 (pause 0.14) 2445.4211 2519 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2445.4211 Yeah. 2445.7065 2520 VLD_int_01 2445.7592 That's sweet. 2446.3299 2521 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2446.6197 Yeah. 2446.9577 2522 VLD_int_01 2447.4259 So, I'm gonna repor- I'm gonna 2449.7835 2523 VLD_int_01 2449.7835 (pause 0.22) 2449.9987 2524 VLD_int_01 2449.9987 follow up with you and [see] when you- 2452.0006 2525 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2451.0216 [Mm.] 2451.2411 2526 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2452.0621 [Mm-hm.] 2452.3606 2527 VLD_int_01 2452.2728 make it over [to] 2453.7596 2528 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2453.5856 [Mm.] 2453.7744 2529 VLD_int_01 2454.1459 Mozambique and [South Africa.] It's gonna be an [amazing experience. So beautiful.] Oh [my god so beautiful.] 2460.1535 2530 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2454.9686 [Mm.] 2455.2100 2531 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2455.2100 (pause 0.49) 2455.7017 2532 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2455.7017 [Yeah.] 2455.9344 2533 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2455.9344 (pause 1.01) 2456.9486 2534 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2456.9486 [Mm.] 2457.2120 2535 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2457.2120 (pause 0.40) 2457.6115 2536 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2457.6115 [Mm.] 2457.7740 2537 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2457.7740 (pause 0.57) 2458.3447 2538 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2458.3447 [Oh.] 2458.5423 2539 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2458.5423 (pause 0.66) 2459.2008 2540 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2459.2008 [Mm.] 2459.3808 2541 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2459.3808 (pause 0.54) 2459.9164 2542 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2459.9164 [Yeah.] 2460.1403 2543 VLD_int_01 2460.5355 Okay. So, 2461.5130 2544 VLD_int_01 2461.5130 (pause 0.61) 2462.1232 2545 VLD_int_01 2462.1232 let's talk about a couple of other things. 2464.7179 2546 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2464.7925 [Mm-hm.] 2465.1964 2547 VLD_int_01 2464.9593 [Um.] 2465.5169 2548 VLD_int_01 2466.7095 You talked about your best friend. So, when you were in school, 2469.3305 2549 VLD_int_01 2469.3305 (pause 0.62) 2469.9540 2550 VLD_int_01 2469.9540 who were- did you have like a 2471.1086 2551 VLD_int_01 2471.1086 (pause 0.15) 2471.2623 2552 VLD_int_01 2471.2623 t- close friends? 2472.1842 2553 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2474.1847 No, um. 2474.9135 2554 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2474.9135 (pause 0.18) 2475.0935 2555 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2475.0935 I guess m- 2475.5720 2556 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2475.5720 (pause 0.14) 2475.7169 2557 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2475.7169 my c- I had a couple guys I- 2477.4203 2558 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2477.4203 (pause 0.32) 2477.7408 2559 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2477.7408 my cousin, my first cousin and I was good friends, 2480.3383 2560 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2480.3383 (pause 0.12) 2480.4613 2561 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2480.4613 and then we had another friend, but. 2482.0110 2562 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2482.0110 (pause 0.90) 2482.9111 2563 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2482.9111 I had a- 2483.3633 2564 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2483.3633 (pause 0.37) 2483.7320 2565 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2483.7320 I always been um, 2484.7359 2566 VLD_int_01 2484.7672 2485.2185 2567 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2485.2056 liking a lo- 2485.8203 2568 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2485.9871 hm. 2486.1057 2569 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2486.1057 (pause 0.45) 2486.5535 2570 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2486.5535 Uh. 2486.8520 2571 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2486.8520 (pause 0.83) 2487.6774 2572 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2487.6774 Gun-slinger like, 2488.8057 2573 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2488.8057 (pause 0.13) 2488.9330 2574 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2488.9330 lone ra- uh, single 2490.4608 2575 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2490.4608 (pause 0.14) 2490.5969 2576 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2490.5969 guy. 2490.8939 2577 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2490.8939 (pause 0.49) 2491.3813 2578 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2491.3813 Fact, 2491.6798 2579 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2491.6798 (pause 0.14) 2491.8247 2580 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2491.8247 You know what. Something my grandaddy shared with me. 2493.9013 2581 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2493.9013 (pause 0.58) 2494.4764 2582 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2494.4764 2494.5642 2583 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2494.5642 (pause 0.42) 2494.9857 2584 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2494.9857 He said, 2495.5037 2585 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2495.5037 (pause 0.91) 2496.4125 2586 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2496.4125 2496.4959 2587 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2496.4959 (pause 0.19) 2496.6876 2588 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2496.6876 when I got my car, he said, 2498.2857 2589 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2498.2857 (pause 0.29) 2498.5710 2590 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2498.5710 son, I'm'a give you some good advice. 2500.4149 2591 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2500.4149 (pause 0.97) 2501.3852 2592 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2501.3852 He said, see that door over there? I say, yes sir. 2503.6096 2593 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2503.6096 (pause 0.37) 2503.9827 2594 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2503.9827 He said 2504.7247 2595 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2504.7247 (pause 0.37) 2505.0979 2596 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2505.0979 you can keep it locked, or you can keep it open. 2507.1393 2597 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2507.1393 (pause 0.70) 2507.8374 2598 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2507.8374 He said, lemme give you an illustration. He said, in the wild, wild west, 2511.1619 2599 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2511.1619 (pause 1.06) 2512.2199 2600 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2512.2199 they had 2513.0058 2601 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2513.0058 (pause 0.76) 2513.7697 2602 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2513.7697 2513.8839 2603 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2513.8839 (pause 0.16) 2514.0463 2604 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2514.0463 what they called shotgun riders 2515.8448 2605 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2515.8448 (pause 0.22) 2516.0687 2606 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2516.0687 on the stage coach 2517.1619 2607 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2517.1619 (pause 0.23) 2517.3946 2608 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2517.3946 in order to protect the- 2518.2682 2609 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2518.2682 (pause 0.28) 2518.5492 2610 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2518.5492 the person that's driving. 2519.6995 2611 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2519.6995 (pause 1.00) 2520.6971 2612 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2520.6971 He said, now you don't- 2521.6849 2613 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2521.6849 (pause 0.14) 2521.8210 2614 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2521.8210 you can protect yourself by keeping that door locked [on the other side. (laughing)] 2525.6713 2615 VLD_int_01 2524.1830 [] 2526.5034 2616 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2526.1191 [He saw the s-] or he'd say, be careful who you let sit in that seat on the other side. (laughing) 2530.3624 2617 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2530.5029 So, 2530.7795 2618 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2530.7795 (pause 0.58) 2531.3546 2619 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2531.3546 I- 2531.5434 2620 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2531.5434 (pause 0.23) 2531.7717 2621 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2531.7717 I 2532.1624 2622 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2532.1624 (pause 0.18) 2532.3381 2623 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2532.3381 always just been that- 2533.5483 2624 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2533.5483 (pause 0.07) 2533.6185 2625 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2533.6185 My mom was 2534.3956 2626 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2534.3956 (pause 0.58) 2534.9751 2627 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2534.9751 more of like 2535.5897 2628 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2535.5897 (pause 0.17) 2535.7566 2629 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2535.7566 a 2535.9980 2630 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2535.9980 (pause 1.23) 2537.2317 2631 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2537.2317 loner. 2537.9210 2632 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2537.9210 (pause 0.11) 2538.0351 2633 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2538.0351 I mean I 2538.3864 2634 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2538.3864 (pause 0.12) 2538.5093 2635 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2538.5093 guess you- 2538.8210 2636 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2538.8210 (pause 0.24) 2539.0565 2637 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2539.0565 um. 2539.3990 2638 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2539.3990 (pause 0.96) 2540.3561 2639 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2540.3561 I guess you 2540.7117 2640 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2540.7117 (pause 0.11) 2540.8214 2641 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2540.8214 like a loner, just. 2541.6512 2642 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2541.6512 (pause 0.76) 2542.4151 2643 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2542.4151 And I- I- 2543.1351 2644 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2543.1351 (pause 0.32) 2543.4600 2645 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2543.4600 I feel comfortable just- 2544.5927 2646 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2544.5927 (pause 1.07) 2545.6668 2647 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2545.6668 just having my own space. 2546.9960 2648 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2546.9960 (pause 0.11) 2547.1057 2649 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2547.1057 I- I don't li- 2548.0013 2650 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2548.0013 (pause 0.19) 2548.1901 2651 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2548.1901 I don't really enjoy crowds that much. 2550.2184 2652 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2550.2184 (pause 0.17) 2550.3896 2653 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2550.3896 To a certain extent, 2551.3233 2654 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2551.3233 (pause 0.81) 2552.1355 2655 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2552.1355 I can enjoy it for a while, and then I just have to get back in my comfort zone. 2555.7970 2656 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2555.7970 (pause 0.37) 2556.1701 2657 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2556.1701 You know? 2556.4906 2658 VLD_int_01 2556.8667 Hm. 2557.1389 2659 VLD_int_01 2557.1389 (pause 0.75) 2557.8896 2660 VLD_int_01 2557.8896 So, 2558.4603 2661 VLD_int_01 2558.4603 (pause 0.19) 2558.6535 2662 VLD_int_01 2558.6535 who was this friend that you met in, you said seventy-seven? 2561.9462 2663 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2562.3106 Yeah, his name is /RD-NAME-4/. 2564.4559 2664 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2564.4559 (pause 0.63) 2565.0881 2665 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2565.0881 I met AJ- AJ 2566.5413 2666 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2566.5413 (pause 0.20) 2566.7433 2667 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2566.7433 as um. 2567.3360 2668 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2567.3360 (pause 0.86) 2568.2009 2669 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2568.2009 2568.2887 2670 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2568.2887 (pause 0.22) 2568.5082 2671 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2568.5082 His mom, Ms. /RD-NAME-2/ 2569.8852 2672 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2569.8852 (pause 0.48) 2570.3681 2673 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2570.3681 and he had a sister named /RD-NAME-2/. 2572.2560 2674 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2572.2560 (pause 0.41) 2572.6687 2675 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2572.6687 And AJ lived about 2573.8892 2676 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2573.8892 (pause 1.30) 2575.1846 2677 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2575.1846 Kinston, North Carolina. If you've heard of Kinston. But, Kinston is about 2578.6075 2678 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2578.6075 (pause 0.22) 2578.8227 2679 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2578.8227 twenty five miles from Goldsboro. 2580.7500 2680 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2580.7500 (pause 1.22) 2581.9734 2681 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2581.9734 And he was able to- 2583.0753 2682 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2583.0753 (pause 0.58) 2583.6592 2683 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2583.6592 he was in the military. He was from Kinston 2585.7841 2684 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2585.7841 (pause 0.18) 2585.9598 2685 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2585.9598 but, he got stationed at Goldsboro. So, he was right there at home. 2589.0753 2686 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2589.0753 (pause 1.44) 2590.5153 2687 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2590.5153 So, I met him and he said, man I'm gonna introduce you to my mom and my um, 2594.4355 2688 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2594.4355 (pause 1.24) 2595.6721 2689 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2595.6721 sister. 2596.4052 2690 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2596.4052 (pause 0.54) 2596.9452 2691 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2596.9452 Cause his dad died when he was I think- AJ was 2599.3599 2692 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2599.3599 (pause 0.91) 2600.2740 2693 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2600.2740 um, 2600.6559 2694 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2600.6559 (pause 0.27) 2600.9238 2695 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2600.9238 probably about 2601.3891 2696 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2601.3891 (pause 0.08) 2601.4725 2697 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2601.4725 f- 2601.6086 2698 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2601.6086 (pause 0.18) 2601.7843 2699 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2601.7843 three or four. Something like that 2603.0574 2700 VLD_int_01 2603.0576 [Oh.] 2603.3605 2701 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2603.2419 [when] his dad died. 2604.0981 2702 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2604.9761 And, um, 2605.4854 2703 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2605.4854 (pause 0.12) 2605.6039 2704 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2605.6039 I met his mom, 2606.6927 2705 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2606.6927 (pause 0.13) 2606.8244 2706 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2606.8244 and um became good friends with her and, um, 2609.4351 2707 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2609.4351 (pause 0.56) 2609.9971 2708 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2609.9971 and she always told me, she said, you're always welcome, 2612.3854 2709 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2612.3854 (pause 0.33) 2612.7191 2710 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2612.7191 you know, even when if /RD-NAME-2/'s not here. You know. 2614.7079 2711 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2614.7079 (pause 0.28) 2614.9873 2712 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2614.9873 There's a room, you know, you come, stay if you in t- 2617.2747 2713 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2617.2747 (pause 0.17) 2617.4415 2714 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2617.4415 town, or whatever, you don't wanna go back to the base, you know. 2620.0010 2715 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2620.0010 (pause 0.67) 2620.6727 2716 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2620.6727 You always welcome in. 2621.6772 2717 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2621.6772 (pause 0.34) 2622.0190 2718 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2622.0190 So I bec- 2622.5503 2719 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2622.5503 (pause 0.31) 2622.8576 2720 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2622.8576 befriended them. They f- I guess they befriended me. 2625.4742 2721 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2625.4742 (pause 0.27) 2625.7420 2722 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2625.7420 And 2626.1986 2723 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2626.1986 (pause 0.36) 2626.5630 2724 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2626.5630 I was 2626.9566 2725 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2626.9566 (pause 0.11) 2627.0619 2726 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2627.0619 friends with him and his s- what' different is him and his sister. 2629.8498 2727 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2629.8498 (pause 0.68) 2630.5259 2728 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2630.5259 Keep in touch with 'em, texting 'em all the time. Just 2633.1585 2729 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2633.1585 (pause 0.20) 2633.3561 2730 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2633.3561 checking on them, cause his mom 2634.8356 2731 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2634.8356 (pause 0.68) 2635.5117 2732 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2635.5117 passed, 2636.1483 2733 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2636.1483 (pause 0.40) 2636.5434 2734 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2636.5434 about f- 2637.0264 2735 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2637.0264 (pause 0.49) 2637.5137 2736 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2637.5137 I think my mom passed in twenty-fifteen. So, his mom 2641.0595 2737 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2641.0595 (pause 1.74) 2642.7981 2738 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2642.7981 think 2643.1625 2739 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2643.1625 (pause 0.30) 2643.4610 2740 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2643.4610 passed in twenty-fourteen I think. 2645.8698 2741 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2645.8698 (pause 0.42) 2646.2868 2742 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2646.2868 And, um, 2646.7259 2743 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2646.7259 (pause 0.08) 2646.8093 2744 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2646.8093 So, we just been good friends over the years and. 2649.1449 2745 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2649.1449 (pause 0.60) 2649.7420 2746 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2649.7420 /RD-NAME-2/ got in some trouble. Once we got out of m- 2652.4405 2747 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2652.4405 (pause 0.13) 2652.5678 2748 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2652.5678 military. 2653.4942 2749 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2653.4942 (pause 0.44) 2653.9376 2750 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2653.9376 And I would, um- 2654.9561 2751 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2654.9561 (pause 0.13) 2655.0835 2752 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2655.0835 He had two boys. 2656.1240 2753 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2656.1240 (pause 1.02) 2657.1454 2754 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2657.1454 And I had two girls. 2658.2078 2755 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2658.2078 (pause 0.30) 2658.5064 2756 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2658.5064 And um. 2659.0859 2757 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2659.0859 (pause 0.93) 2660.0166 2758 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2660.0166 I would always, you know, 2661.7947 2759 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2661.7947 (pause 1.46) 2663.2551 2760 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2663.2551 ta- I mean send stuff for him. You know, 2665.3476 2761 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2665.3476 (pause 0.19) 2665.5408 2762 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2665.5408 just cheering him wife and stuff, you know and- and 2668.0147 2763 VLD_int_01 2667.9690 Mm-hm. 2668.4044 2764 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2668.5591 And that's what friends do. 2669.6201 2765 VLD_int_01 2669.6201 That's right. 2670.1119 2766 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2670.2698 Do. You know. 2670.9679 2767 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2670.9679 (pause 0.56) 2671.5298 2768 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2671.5298 Wasn't nothing that they had to ask, you know, I just knew that 2673.8710 2769 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2673.8710 (pause 0.26) 2674.1344 2770 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2674.1344 The- they was gonna have needs, you know. 2676.0295 2771 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2676.0295 (pause 0.11) 2676.1392 2772 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2676.1392 So, 2676.4070 2773 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2676.4070 (pause 0.58) 2676.9822 2774 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2676.9822 /??/ 2677.2895 2775 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2677.2895 (pause 0.47) 2677.7592 2776 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2677.7592 just always try to work them in to where I- 2679.8446 2777 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2679.8446 (pause 0.12) 2679.9632 2778 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2679.9632 what I had, you know? 2680.9714 2779 VLD_int_01 2682.9119 What do you think 2683.8734 2780 VLD_int_01 2683.8734 (pause 1.08) 2684.9490 2781 VLD_int_01 2684.9490 mm. 2685.1949 2782 VLD_int_01 2685.1949 (pause 0.18) 2685.3705 2783 VLD_int_01 2685.3705 Well, let's go back, since you just said that. 2686.9282 2784 VLD_int_01 2686.9282 (pause 1.38) 2688.3052 2785 VLD_int_01 2688.3052 Has there ever been a time when you were like, oh my god, I'm going to die? 2691.9535 2786 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2692.2872 [Mm-hm.] 2692.5462 2787 VLD_int_01 2692.2872 [Or] you felt like you were just in imminent danger? 2694.2365 2788 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2696.1462 Mm. 2696.9701 2789 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2696.9701 (pause 3.27) 2700.2409 2790 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2700.2409 Mm. No. 2701.3692 2791 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2701.3692 (pause 0.21) 2701.5755 2792 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2701.5755 No, I never experienced that. 2702.8779 2793 VLD_int_01 2704.1643 Really? Was there a time when you were just really scared? 2706.1355 2794 VLD_int_01 2706.1355 (pause 1.07) 2707.2023 2795 VLD_int_01 2707.2023 Something that i- 2707.8828 2796 VLD_int_01 2707.8828 (pause 0.37) 2708.2516 2797 VLD_int_01 2708.2516 and it couldn't not have necessarily been just like you were physically scared of something, it could have just been something that was just 2712.0345 2798 VLD_int_01 2712.0345 (pause 0.98) 2713.0179 2799 VLD_int_01 2713.0179 emotionally traumatizing or. 2715.4223 2800 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2718.7633 Um. 2719.5579 2801 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2719.5579 (pause 4.16) 2723.7228 2802 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2723.7228 You know d- t- 2724.1882 2803 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2724.1882 (pause 1.30) 2725.4833 2804 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2725.4833 it might be 2726.1023 2805 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2726.1023 (pause 0.55) 2726.6552 2806 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2726.6552 sk- 2727.0815 2807 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2727.0815 (pause 0.58) 2727.6594 2808 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2727.6594 crazy or strange, 2728.9413 2809 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2728.9413 (pause 0.62) 2729.5604 2810 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2729.5604 but, 2729.8721 2811 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2729.8721 (pause 0.74) 2730.6096 2812 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2730.6096 2730.7150 2813 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2730.7150 (pause 0.89) 2731.6018 2814 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2731.6018 when my mom died, it was 2733.0930 2815 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2733.0930 (pause 0.44) 2733.5320 2816 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2733.5320 I mean, that's expectations. There a sense as a kid, you know your parents are older than you are. 2737.8697 2817 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2737.8697 (pause 1.00) 2738.8647 2818 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2738.8647 My dad died. 2739.7867 2819 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2739.7867 (pause 0.23) 2740.0194 2820 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2740.0194 Pretty much. 2740.7086 2821 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2740.7086 (pause 0.63) 2741.3408 2822 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2741.3408 My brother died in November 2743.0778 2823 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2743.0778 (pause 0.22) 2743.2929 2824 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2743.2929 last year. 2743.9646 2825 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2743.9646 (pause 2.19) 2746.1582 2826 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2746.1582 And that's been the most traumatizing thing to me 2748.6870 2827 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2748.6870 (pause 0.94) 2749.6265 2828 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2749.6265 in my life. 2750.5474 2829 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2750.5474 (pause 0.89) 2751.4415 2830 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2751.4415 And I- and I- 2752.2800 2831 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2752.2800 (pause 1.29) 2753.5708 2832 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2753.5708 And I guess I assess it back to 2755.3532 2833 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2755.3532 (pause 1.03) 2756.3850 2834 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2756.3850 I knew 2756.8811 2835 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2756.8811 (pause 0.30) 2757.1781 2836 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2757.1781 uh. 2757.7532 2837 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2757.7532 (pause 0.47) 2758.2197 2838 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2758.2197 2758.3420 2839 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2758.3420 (pause 1.34) 2759.6849 2840 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2759.6849 When I was speaking at the funeral, 2761.0371 2841 VLD_int_01 2761.5728 Mm. 2761.8493 2842 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2762.0557 2762.1830 2843 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2762.1830 (pause 0.84) 2763.0259 2844 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2763.0259 I got assess it back to 2764.7981 2845 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2764.7981 (pause 0.77) 2765.5664 2846 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2765.5664 I could just remember my mom 2767.0284 2847 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2767.0284 (pause 0.16) 2767.1908 2848 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2767.1908 /praying/ with my brother. 2768.3630 2849 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2768.3630 (pause 0.73) 2769.0918 2850 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2769.0918 And uh. 2769.8015 2851 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2769.8015 (pause 2.35) 2772.1547 2852 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2772.1547 And throughout the years, I can remember my mama always just 2774.8811 2853 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2774.8811 (pause 0.58) 2775.4634 2854 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2775.4634 telling me, you know, even when he was smaller, 2777.7771 2855 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2777.7771 (pause 0.16) 2777.9396 2856 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2777.9396 you know, that uh, 2778.7781 2857 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2778.7781 (pause 0.90) 2779.6825 2858 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2779.6825 take care of him. 2780.5283 2859 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2780.5283 (pause 0.15) 2780.6820 2860 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2780.6820 You know, and. 2781.3054 2861 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2781.3054 (pause 1.31) 2782.6137 2862 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2782.6137 And back then, those the 2783.7903 2863 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2783.7903 (pause 0.11) 2783.9044 2864 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2783.9044 back in them- 2784.4357 2865 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2784.4357 (pause 0.15) 2784.5893 2866 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2784.5893 when I grew up, 2785.3269 2867 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2785.3269 (pause 0.34) 2785.6650 2868 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2785.6650 we kids 2786.3894 2869 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2786.3894 (pause 0.22) 2786.6089 2870 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2786.6089 when your parents went off, 2787.8015 2871 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2787.8015 (pause 0.14) 2787.9420 2872 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2787.9420 you know, the- 2788.2844 2873 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2788.2844 (pause 0.23) 2788.5171 2874 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2788.5171 the oldest was always left in charge. You know. 2790.6552 2875 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2790.6552 (pause 0.15) 2790.8045 2876 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2790.8045 And um, 2791.3884 2877 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2791.3884 (pause 1.07) 2792.4552 2878 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2792.4552 And my mom would come home, and she would say, well how di- how did he do today? And- an- 2796.1020 2879 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2796.1020 (pause 0.58) 2796.6859 2880 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2796.6859 and I would always say, mama, he did good, even though he [didn't, you know? Cause. ] 2800.8727 2881 VLD_int_01 2799.2970 [] 2801.0663 2882 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2801.6718 /I was/, uh, 2802.2820 2883 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2802.2820 (pause 0.36) 2802.6464 2884 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2802.6464 my brother had that Frank Sinatra 2804.6616 2885 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2804.6616 (pause 0.59) 2805.2531 2886 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2805.2531 mentality, he's just gonna do it his [way.] 2807.4746 2887 VLD_int_01 2807.3194 [] 2809.3916 2888 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2807.9077 [] 2808.5399 2889 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2808.5399 (pause 0.41) 2808.9526 2890 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2808.9526 [So], 2809.3872 2891 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2809.8877 I would always cover for him, and I guess 2811.8546 2892 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2811.8546 (pause 0.45) 2812.3024 2893 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2812.3024 his whole life, even h- he- 2814.0131 2894 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2814.0131 (pause 0.23) 2814.2458 2895 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2814.2458 he went down a path that, um, 2816.1292 2896 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2816.1292 (pause 1.10) 2817.2312 2897 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2817.2312 that I didn't go down, as far as 2818.9873 2898 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2818.9873 (pause 0.74) 2819.7277 2899 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2819.7277 things he shouldn't have g- 2820.6936 2900 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2820.6936 (pause 0.34) 2821.0360 2901 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2821.0360 got involved with, you know, and- 2822.5770 2902 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2822.5770 (pause 0.12) 2822.6999 2903 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2822.6999 and that was just- just his choice. You know? 2824.6361 2904 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2824.6361 (pause 0.09) 2824.7283 2905 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2824.7283 And um. 2825.2639 2906 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2825.2639 (pause 1.21) 2826.4741 2907 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2826.4741 And. 2827.1019 2908 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2827.1019 (pause 1.46) 2828.5595 2909 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2828.5595 And I've just. 2829.2136 2910 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2829.2136 (pause 1.01) 2830.2190 2911 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2830.2190 That's 2830.4868 2912 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2830.4868 (pause 0.19) 2830.6800 2913 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2830.6800 that's been the hardest thing on me. 2832.3643 2914 VLD_int_01 2832.6146 Mm. 2832.9263 2915 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2833.9404 My- 2834.1643 2916 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2834.1643 (pause 0.10) 2834.2653 2917 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2834.2653 my- my baby- my young brother. 2836.2804 2918 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2836.2804 (pause 0.79) 2837.0663 2919 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2837.0663 uh, I s- 2837.5872 2920 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2837.5872 (pause 0.86) 2838.4433 2921 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2838.4433 if you s- 2838.8736 2922 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2838.8736 (pause 0.73) 2839.6024 2923 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2839.6024 speaking of traumatizing, in a sense, 2841.8107 2924 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2841.8107 (pause 1.02) 2842.8292 2925 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2842.8292 is death. 2843.5302 2926 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2843.5302 (pause 0.54) 2844.0702 2927 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2844.0702 It's been the 2844.8297 2928 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2844.8297 (pause 0.72) 2845.5453 2929 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2845.5453 most 2845.9799 2930 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2845.9799 (pause 0.42) 2846.3970 2931 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2846.3970 /traumatize/ thing to me I ever dealt with. 2848.7766 2932 VLD_int_01 2848.9566 He died last November? 2850.1667 2933 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2850.7155 November the fifth. 2851.6990 2934 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2851.6990 (pause 0.08) 2851.7824 2935 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2851.7824 Mm-hm. Twenty-eighteen. 2853.0424 2936 VLD_int_01 2853.4726 So, that's still really new. 2854.7019 2937 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2854.7063 Yeah. 2855.0356 2938 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2855.0356 (pause 0.12) 2855.1585 2939 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2855.1585 Mm-hm. 2855.6311 2940 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2855.6311 (pause 0.51) 2856.1426 2941 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2856.1426 [Mm-hm.] 2856.4818 2942 VLD_int_01 2856.3105 [Was] he sick? Or he just. 2857.6704 2943 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2857.9646 Yeah, my brother, um, 2859.4661 2944 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2859.4661 (pause 0.45) 2859.9139 2945 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2859.9139 My brother got involved with 2861.3436 2946 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2861.3436 (pause 1.33) 2862.6782 2947 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2862.6782 2862.7924 2948 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2862.7924 (pause 0.45) 2863.2446 2949 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2863.2446 with drugs. 2864.1226 2950 VLD_int_01 2864.1226 Mm-hm. 2864.5046 2951 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2864.9173 And um. 2865.6153 2952 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2865.6153 (pause 1.39) 2867.0027 2953 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2867.0027 He- 2867.6377 2954 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2867.6377 (pause 1.67) 2869.3060 2955 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2869.3060 heart conditions. 2870.3948 2956 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2870.3948 (pause 1.12) 2871.5143 2957 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2871.5143 And n- 2872.0280 2958 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2872.0280 (pause 0.09) 2872.1202 2959 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2872.1202 he never really 2873.5060 2960 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2873.5060 (pause 0.57) 2874.0724 2961 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2874.0724 fully s- 2874.6387 2962 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2874.6387 (pause 0.92) 2875.5563 2963 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2875.5563 committed to 2876.5002 2964 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2876.5002 (pause 0.32) 2876.8207 2965 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2876.8207 doing 2877.2509 2966 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2877.2509 (pause 0.73) 2877.9797 2967 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2877.9797 treating himself better. 2879.2426 2968 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2879.2426 (pause 0.36) 2879.6070 2969 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2879.6070 You know. 2880.0416 2970 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2880.0416 (pause 0.99) 2881.0294 2971 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2881.0294 He was- 2881.6309 2972 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2881.6309 (pause 1.84) 2883.4661 2973 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2883.4661 kept 2883.7909 2974 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2883.7909 (pause 0.80) 2884.5944 2975 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2884.5944 playing the victim. 2885.5631 2976 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2885.5631 (pause 0.22) 2885.7826 2977 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2885.7826 You know, versus investing 2887.4070 2978 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2887.4070 (pause 0.18) 2887.5870 2979 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2887.5870 in- in himself, you know. 2888.9699 2980 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2888.9699 (pause 0.25) 2889.2202 2981 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2889.2202 There was a way out, 2890.3194 2982 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2890.3194 (pause 0.33) 2890.6487 2983 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2890.6487 better way out, but 2891.7886 2984 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2891.7886 (pause 1.17) 2892.9565 2985 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2892.9565 he never did. 2893.7423 2986 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2893.7423 (pause 0.48) 2894.2252 2987 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2894.2252 Mm-hm. 2894.6335 2988 VLD_int_01 2895.0199 Yeah. That happens. 2896.1965 2989 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2896.3414 Mm-hm. 2896.8359 2990 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2896.8359 (pause 0.07) 2896.9062 2991 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2896.9062 [So.] 2897.2794 2992 VLD_int_01 2897.0379 [It was] so. I 2897.7667 2993 VLD_int_01 2897.9599 you know, I'm doing the same kind of thing in [DC], and you know in DC, there was this [big] drug 2902.4775 2994 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2900.4711 [Hm.] 2900.6731 2995 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2900.6731 (pause 0.92) 2901.5950 2996 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2901.5950 [Mm.] 2901.8584 2997 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2902.5784 Mm-hm. 2902.8945 2998 VLD_int_01 2903.3584 in the eighties and [nineties. And um.] 2905.8477 2999 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2904.3193 [Um.] 2904.6617 3000 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2904.6617 (pause 0.28) 2904.9427 3001 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2904.9427 [Mm.] 2905.2720 3002 VLD_int_01 2906.4448 Some of the stories you hear are just so sad. 2908.9598 3003 VLD_int_01 2908.9598 (pause 0.12) 2909.0784 3004 VLD_int_01 2909.0784 [Right?] Because you want 2910.1920 3005 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2909.1223 [Mm.] 2909.4647 3006 VLD_int_01 2911.3993 you know that people wanna do better, 2912.9491 3007 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2913.0149 Mm-hm. 2913.4540 3008 VLD_int_01 2913.5374 but then they also 2914.3276 3009 VLD_int_01 2914.3276 (pause 0.94) 2915.2672 3010 VLD_int_01 2915.2672 this is what they know. 2916.1364 3011 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2916.0959 Uh. 2916.4510 3012 VLD_int_01 2916.5564 [And so] trying to balance 2917.9218 3013 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2916.5739 [Mm.] 2916.7803 3014 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2916.7803 (pause 1.14) 2917.9218 3015 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2917.9218 Mm-hm. 2918.3784 3016 VLD_int_01 2918.4837 that out, it's it's really tough. 2919.9369 3017 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2920.0906 Mm-hm. 2920.5087 3018 VLD_int_01 2920.5087 And then just to watch it. [And I] 2922.3307 3019 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2921.8565 [Mm-hm.] 2922.3307 3020 VLD_int_01 2922.6117 was talking to one guy and he 2924.4085 3021 VLD_int_01 2924.4085 (pause 0.23) 2924.6412 3022 VLD_int_01 2924.6412 got AIDS 2925.6642 3023 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2925.8090 Mm-hm. 2926.2525 3024 VLD_int_01 2926.3403 because 2926.9637 3025 VLD_int_01 2926.9637 (pause 0.10) 2927.0647 3026 VLD_int_01 2927.0647 he was really deep into the heroin game. 2929.0914 3027 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2929.2495 Mm-hm. 2929.6490 3028 VLD_int_01 2929.6490 And 2929.9607 3029 VLD_int_01 2929.9607 (pause 0.08) 2930.0441 3030 VLD_int_01 2930.0441 him and his brother both got AIDS at the same, like around the same time. [And] his brother, he was like I'm gonna commit to doing better 2934.6788 3031 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2932.5817 [Wow.] 2932.7749 3032 VLD_int_01 2935.0519 and the brother didn't. So, he had to bury his brother, and [I think] that 2937.9188 3033 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2937.3634 [Mm.] 2937.6049 3034 VLD_int_01 2938.3798 when you said that, it just 2939.2095 3035 VLD_int_01 2939.2095 (pause 0.38) 2939.5915 3036 VLD_int_01 2939.5915 puts you in that 2940.0663 3037 VLD_int_01 2940.0663 (pause 0.10) 2940.1629 3038 VLD_int_01 2940.1629 place that 2940.6546 3039 VLD_int_01 2940.6546 (pause 0.96) 2941.6117 3040 VLD_int_01 2941.6117 you know you want something different. 2943.1000 3041 VLD_int_01 2943.1000 (pause 0.08) 2943.1834 3042 VLD_int_01 2943.1834 But, 2943.3722 3043 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2943.4424 Mm-hm. 2943.8815 3044 VLD_int_01 2943.8815 you hav- 2944.2107 3045 VLD_int_01 2944.2107 (pause 0.07) 2944.2810 3046 VLD_int_01 2944.2810 you have to w- 2944.8386 3047 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2944.9834 [Well, yeah.] 2945.6113 3048 VLD_int_01 2945.0142 [they have to want it] like, [you can't] want it for them. 2947.2254 3049 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2946.1278 [Well, yeah.] 2946.7117 3050 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2946.7117 (pause 0.51) 2947.2254 3051 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2947.2254 Right. Mm-hm. 2948.0332 3052 VLD_int_01 2948.1649 And it's just- that's tough. 2949.5566 3053 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2949.5566 Mm-hm. 2950.0220 3054 VLD_int_01 2950.5488 Um. 2951.1766 3055 VLD_int_01 2951.1766 (pause 0.23) 2951.4049 3056 VLD_int_01 2951.4049 So, let me kind of go back. Cause you were young enough 2954.7338 3057 VLD_int_01 2954.7338 (pause 0.11) 2954.8436 3058 VLD_int_01 2954.8436 but o- 2955.2607 3059 VLD_int_01 2955.2607 (pause 0.15) 2955.4099 3060 VLD_int_01 2955.4099 you were old enough rather 2956.5762 3061 VLD_int_01 2956.5762 (pause 0.07) 2956.6421 3062 VLD_int_01 2956.6421 [to understand.] 2957.3489 3063 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2956.7079 [Mm.] 2957.0109 3064 VLD_int_01 2957.6299 Thinking about civil rights. 2958.9162 3065 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2958.9645 Mm-hm. 2959.4123 3066 VLD_int_01 2959.4519 And, Valdosta's a little southern [town.] 2961.6338 3067 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2961.2856 [/?/.] 2961.6675 3068 VLD_int_01 2961.9412 How did you- 2963.1601 3069 VLD_int_01 2963.1601 (pause 0.46) 2963.6167 3070 VLD_int_01 2963.6167 were you at a time when there was like the 2965.1709 3071 VLD_int_01 2965.1709 (pause 0.12) 2965.2938 3072 VLD_int_01 2965.2938 sep- 2965.6143 3073 VLD_int_01 2965.6143 (pause 0.17) 2965.7855 3074 VLD_int_01 2965.7855 the separate fountains and things like that? Did you see the signs? Or was [it.] 2969.2172 3075 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2969.0855 [Yeah.] I could remember 2969.9679 3076 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2970.0909 as a kid, growing up. 2971.3860 3077 VLD_int_01 2971.6231 How was that? 2972.2685 3078 VLD_int_01 2972.2685 (pause 0.38) 2972.6460 3079 VLD_int_01 2972.6460 Like what? 2973.1290 3080 VLD_int_01 2973.1290 (pause 0.51) 2973.6382 3081 VLD_int_01 2973.6382 Was it? 2973.9791 3082 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2975.0987 Um. 2975.5948 3083 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2975.5948 (pause 2.09) 2977.6811 3084 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2977.6811 It was crazy. 2978.5977 3085 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2978.5977 (pause 0.28) 2978.8787 3086 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2978.8787 But you know what? 2979.6338 3087 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2979.6338 (pause 3.37) 2983.0041 3088 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2983.0041 Prior to integration, 2984.2202 3089 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2984.2202 (pause 1.51) 2985.7260 3090 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2985.7260 you know where the overpass is now? 2987.4543 3091 VLD_int_01 2987.8933 The 2988.0997 3092 VLD_int_01 2988.0997 (pause 0.36) 2988.4640 3093 VLD_int_01 2988.4640 [provisional] one? 2989.0962 3094 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2988.4728 [Valdo-] 2988.7406 3095 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2989.4387 Mm. The one 2990.1543 3096 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2990.1543 (pause 0.80) 2990.9533 3097 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2990.9533 overpass downtown. 2992.1279 3098 VLD_int_01 2992.1542 Mm-hm. 2992.5845 3099 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2993.7014 What we called 2994.5800 3100 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2994.5800 (pause 0.92) 2995.4996 3101 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2995.4996 beneath the overpass was Crane Avenue. 2997.7064 3102 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2997.7064 (pause 0.18) 2997.8820 3103 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2997.8820 Right there where 2998.7732 3104 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2998.7732 (pause 0.08) 2998.8523 3105 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 2998.8523 the old- I mean the unemployment office and all that stuff is [now.] 3002.0352 3106 VLD_int_01 3001.8552 [Mm-hm.] 3002.2021 3107 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3002.7947 All those businesses, 3003.7547 3108 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3003.7547 (pause 0.22) 3003.9698 3109 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3003.9698 all that 3004.3562 3110 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3004.3562 (pause 0.47) 3004.8303 3111 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3004.8303 space down there was black owned businesses. 3007.3372 3112 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3007.3372 (pause 1.75) 3009.0889 3113 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3009.0889 And, 3009.7240 3114 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3009.7240 (pause 0.99) 3010.7162 3115 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3010.7162 black people describe, /describe/ 3012.4898 3116 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3012.4898 (pause 1.04) 3013.5347 3117 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3013.5347 back in those days, cause 3014.8343 3118 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3014.8343 (pause 0.86) 3015.6949 3119 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3015.6949 basically 3016.3710 3120 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3016.3710 (pause 1.18) 3017.5520 3121 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3017.5520 our money 3018.2149 3122 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3018.2149 (pause 1.23) 3019.4486 3123 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3019.4486 made it's- made surplus within the neighborhood. 3022.0241 3124 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3022.0241 (pause 0.18) 3022.1998 3125 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3022.1998 You know? 3022.5861 3126 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3022.5861 (pause 1.09) 3023.6793 3127 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3023.6793 Versus 3024.4256 3128 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3024.4256 (pause 0.17) 3024.5969 3129 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3024.5969 now, 3025.0227 3130 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3025.0227 (pause 0.10) 3025.1193 3131 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3025.1193 know, we just consumers. 3026.4496 3132 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3026.4496 (pause 0.22) 3026.6691 3133 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3026.6691 You know? 3026.9676 3134 VLD_int_01 3026.9676 Mm-hm. 3027.1959 3135 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3027.2881 We- 3027.5193 3136 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3027.5193 (pause 0.10) 3027.6158 3137 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3027.6158 we don't own nothing. Our money just spend it 3029.9383 3138 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3029.9383 (pause 0.16) 3030.1008 3139 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3030.1008 lo- it's spent in one t- 3031.6637 3140 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3031.6637 (pause 0.08) 3031.7471 3141 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3031.7471 spent out, it never spends in, you [know (laughing)] 3034.0703 3142 VLD_int_01 3033.9561 [Right.] 3034.3776 3143 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3034.4039 within the community. 3035.7407 3144 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3035.7407 (pause 1.01) 3036.7505 3145 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3036.7505 So, um 3037.7208 3146 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3037.7208 (pause 0.80) 3038.5198 3147 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3038.5198 3038.6120 3148 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3038.6120 (pause 1.40) 3040.0088 3149 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3040.0088 Even though we was 3040.9351 3150 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3040.9351 (pause 0.64) 3041.5717 3151 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3041.5717 separate, 3042.3005 3152 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3042.3005 (pause 1.43) 3043.7346 3153 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3043.7346 they was better off 3044.9156 3154 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3044.9156 (pause 0.21) 3045.1263 3155 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3045.1263 in a s- in a sense, cause 3046.4961 3156 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3046.4961 (pause 0.76) 3047.2600 3157 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3047.2600 now, this is just my philosophy. 3048.8537 3158 VLD_int_01 3048.8844 Mm-hm. 3049.2561 3159 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3050.8980 Integration, 3051.8332 3160 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3051.8332 (pause 0.63) 3052.4610 3161 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3052.4610 I think we look at it 3053.5893 3162 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3053.5893 (pause 0.25) 3053.8395 3163 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3053.8395 um 3054.3795 3164 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3054.3795 (pause 0.78) 3055.1595 3165 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3055.1595 3055.2341 3166 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3055.2341 (pause 0.71) 3055.9454 3167 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3055.9454 we didn't 3056.8059 3168 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3056.8059 (pause 0.88) 3057.6839 3169 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3057.6839 actually understand the extent of what 3059.8483 3170 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3059.8483 (pause 0.41) 3060.2610 3171 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3060.2610 integration was doing to us. 3061.9936 3172 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3061.9936 (pause 0.79) 3062.7883 3173 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3062.7883 I think it, 3063.3371 3174 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3063.3371 (pause 0.14) 3063.4820 3175 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3063.4820 um, 3064.0351 3176 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3064.0351 (pause 1.18) 3065.2117 3177 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3065.2117 3065.2776 3178 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3065.2776 (pause 1.25) 3066.5244 3179 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3066.5244 from a economic standpoint, 3068.0639 3180 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3068.0639 (pause 0.84) 3068.9024 3181 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3068.9024 and- 3069.1746 3182 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3069.1746 (pause 0.19) 3069.3634 3183 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3069.3634 and it's always about economics. 3071.0186 3184 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3071.0186 (pause 0.44) 3071.4620 3185 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3071.4620 You know. That [I mean the-] 3072.6913 3186 VLD_int_01 3071.8483 [It all makes sense.] 3072.8713 3187 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3072.8142 [You] know. A- and 3073.6494 3188 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3074.4791 And I th- 3074.7865 3189 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3074.7865 (pause 0.12) 3074.9094 3190 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3074.9094 guess 3075.2913 3191 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3075.2913 (pause 0.14) 3075.4274 3192 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3075.4274 wh- when you've been shut out so much of 3077.7850 3193 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3077.7850 (pause 0.83) 3078.6148 3194 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3078.6148 what you've perceived 3079.9216 3195 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3079.9216 (pause 0.47) 3080.3869 3196 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3080.3869 to be, um, 3081.3704 3197 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3081.3704 (pause 1.85) 3083.2231 3198 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3083.2231 validated 3084.1406 3199 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3084.1406 (pause 0.20) 3084.3382 3200 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3084.3382 as a people, 3085.1489 3201 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3085.1489 (pause 0.94) 3086.0840 3202 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3086.0840 um, you go from 3087.4494 3203 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3087.4494 (pause 0.17) 3087.6162 3204 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3087.6162 being kidnapped, 3088.7451 3205 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3088.7451 (pause 0.81) 3089.5573 3206 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3089.5573 to being, 3090.2422 3207 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3090.2422 (pause 0.13) 3090.3739 3208 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3090.3739 you know, 3090.7207 3209 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3090.7207 (pause 0.18) 3090.8980 3210 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3090.8980 bought over here 3091.8842 3211 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3091.8842 (pause 0.44) 3092.3277 3212 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3092.3277 and being enslaved 3093.5394 3213 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3093.5394 (pause 0.77) 3094.3077 3214 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3094.3077 and 3094.8696 3215 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3094.8696 (pause 0.91) 3095.7828 3216 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3095.7828 you being 3096.6565 3217 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3096.6565 (pause 0.88) 3097.5345 3218 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3097.5345 told you was free, but you're not free. 3099.4560 3219 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3099.4560 (pause 1.47) 3100.9267 3220 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3100.9267 And then you s- 3101.6379 3221 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3101.6379 (pause 0.14) 3101.7740 3222 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3101.7740 y- y- you still within your own 3103.6691 3223 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3103.6691 (pause 0.78) 3104.4506 3224 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3104.4506 communities. k- 3105.2145 3225 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3105.2145 (pause 0.27) 3105.4823 3226 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3105.4823 I mean, you're not really mingling with the other- 3107.7257 3227 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3107.7257 (pause 0.30) 3108.0243 3228 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3108.0243 other 3108.4501 3229 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3108.4501 (pause 0.64) 3109.0867 3230 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3109.0867 people. 3109.5330 3231 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3109.5330 (pause 2.65) 3112.1848 3232 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3112.1848 We- 3112.8257 3233 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3112.8257 (pause 1.26) 3114.0814 3234 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3114.0814 we bought a sense of 3115.1219 3235 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3115.1219 (pause 0.45) 3115.5725 3236 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3115.5725 integration as 3116.9950 3237 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3116.9950 (pause 0.60) 3117.5965 3238 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3117.5965 acceptance. 3118.4526 3239 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3118.4526 (pause 0.70) 3119.1506 3240 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3119.1506 I guess we had to be accepted. For someone to just verbally tell you that you accept, that you can come in the restaurant, you can do this, you can do that. 3126.1516 3241 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3126.1516 (pause 0.75) 3126.8980 3242 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3126.8980 But then, at the same time, 3128.5761 3243 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3128.5761 (pause 0.70) 3129.2785 3244 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3129.2785 when that acceptance came, we gave up 3131.4210 3245 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3131.4210 (pause 1.01) 3132.4307 3246 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3132.4307 our strength, 3133.2370 3247 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3133.2370 (pause 0.79) 3134.0317 3248 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3134.0317 which was our economics. 3135.4893 3249 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3135.4893 (pause 0.47) 3135.9634 3250 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3135.9634 You know. 3136.2444 3251 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3136.2444 (pause 0.75) 3136.9907 3252 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3136.9907 Um. 3137.5132 3253 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3137.5132 (pause 0.14) 3137.6537 3254 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3137.6537 Even our 3138.2683 3255 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3138.2683 (pause 0.11) 3138.3781 3256 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3138.3781 cultures in the school 3139.6014 3257 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3139.6014 (pause 0.31) 3139.9087 3258 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3139.9087 s- school system. 3140.9756 3259 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3140.9756 (pause 0.48) 3141.4541 3260 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3141.4541 When- when the schools integrated, 3143.1356 3261 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3143.1356 (pause 2.69) 3145.8209 3262 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3145.8209 you can't go back and, 3146.9756 3263 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3146.9756 (pause 0.79) 3147.7702 3264 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3147.7702 unless you was 3148.5122 3265 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3148.5122 (pause 0.87) 3149.3859 3266 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3149.3859 um, 3149.8073 3267 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3149.8073 (pause 0.20) 3150.0093 3268 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3150.0093 from my age on up, 3151.3073 3269 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3151.3073 (pause 1.56) 3152.8658 3270 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3152.8658 know anything about Pinevale. 3154.4419 3271 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3154.4419 (pause 1.00) 3155.4385 3272 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3155.4385 The history of Pinevale. 3156.5449 3273 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3156.5449 (pause 0.44) 3156.9868 3274 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3156.9868 The history of Westside high school. 3158.5278 3275 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3158.5278 (pause 0.52) 3159.0502 3276 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3159.0502 It's all about Lowndes. 3160.2356 3277 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3160.2356 (pause 0.43) 3160.6702 3278 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3160.6702 It's all about Valdosta. 3161.8117 3279 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3161.8117 (pause 0.70) 3162.5142 3280 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3162.5142 But, there was a history prior to those schools. Which was, Westside was a county school, 3166.4156 3281 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3166.4156 (pause 0.63) 3167.0434 3282 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3167.0434 and Val- I mean, Pinevale was a city school. 3169.4361 3283 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3169.4361 (pause 1.20) 3170.6372 3284 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3170.6372 But, 3170.8743 3285 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3170.8743 (pause 0.18) 3171.0587 3286 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3171.0587 all that history 3172.1240 3287 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3172.1240 (pause 0.10) 3172.2206 3288 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3172.2206 is gone. Wiped out. And is nonexistent. Unless you like I said, unless you was- 3176.6284 3289 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3176.6284 (pause 0.22) 3176.8436 3290 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3176.8436 my age or older, doesn't know that those things existed. 3179.6957 3291 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3179.6957 (pause 0.66) 3180.3543 3292 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3180.3543 And, by the same token, when it comes to, um, 3182.9006 3293 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3182.9006 (pause 0.98) 3183.8781 3294 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3183.8781 economics in Valdosta, 3185.3752 3295 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3185.3752 (pause 0.45) 3185.8274 3296 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3185.8274 wasn't a lot of money, but if you look at the stores, 3188.5406 3297 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3188.5406 (pause 0.33) 3188.8699 3298 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3188.8699 the stores that you see in Valdosta now. 3190.8221 3299 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3190.8221 (pause 1.54) 3192.3631 3300 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3192.3631 We- 3192.8240 3301 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3192.8240 (pause 0.10) 3192.9206 3302 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3192.9206 we don't wanna populate those stores in our community 3195.4918 3303 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3195.4918 (pause 1.73) 3197.2238 3304 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3197.2238 economically. 3198.1062 3305 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3198.1062 (pause 0.30) 3198.4091 3306 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3198.4091 But, we don't own none of 'em. 3199.6764 3307 VLD_int_01 3199.6764 Mm-hm. 3200.1638 3308 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3200.5150 You know? 3200.8618 3309 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3200.8618 (pause 0.60) 3201.4589 3310 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3201.4589 But, back then, those same stores, 3203.8648 3311 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3203.8648 (pause 1.58) 3205.4461 3312 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3205.4461 was owned by us. 3206.5146 3313 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3206.5146 (pause 1.24) 3207.7526 3314 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3207.7526 So, you was able to, 3208.7800 3315 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3208.7800 (pause 0.54) 3209.3244 3316 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3209.3244 uh, go in those stores 3210.6239 3317 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3210.6239 (pause 0.12) 3210.7468 3318 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3210.7468 in the community, the ladies know you, the men know you. 3213.2741 3319 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3213.2741 (pause 0.51) 3213.7834 3320 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3213.7834 And so, i- it was a- 3214.8985 3321 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3214.8985 (pause 0.48) 3215.3770 3322 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3215.3770 we was more economically 3216.9356 3323 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3216.9356 (pause 0.58) 3217.5107 3324 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3217.5107 um, 3218.1326 3325 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3218.1326 (pause 0.38) 3218.5146 3326 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3218.5146 intense 3219.2302 3327 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3219.2302 (pause 0.20) 3219.4278 3328 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3219.4278 back then 3220.1170 3329 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3220.1170 (pause 0.43) 3220.5517 3330 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3220.5517 versus now. 3221.3024 3331 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3221.3024 (pause 0.57) 3221.8688 3332 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3221.8688 Because now, 3222.6151 3333 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3222.6151 (pause 0.28) 3222.8917 3334 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3222.8917 all we, like I said, all we all the 3224.2512 3335 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3224.2512 (pause 0.13) 3224.3785 3336 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3224.3785 consumers. 3225.0721 3337 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3225.0721 (pause 0.23) 3225.3004 3338 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3225.3004 And when they built that overpass, 3226.8414 3339 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3226.8414 (pause 0.43) 3227.2761 3340 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3227.2761 and if you go in any major city in this country, 3229.4756 3341 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3229.4756 (pause 0.92) 3230.3916 3342 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3230.3916 Savannah, anywhere. 3231.5024 3343 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3231.5024 (pause 0.82) 3232.3234 3344 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3232.3234 And you 3232.7800 3345 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3232.7800 (pause 0.07) 3232.8546 3346 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3232.8546 can 3233.1048 3347 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3233.1048 (pause 0.12) 3233.2278 3348 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3233.2278 talk to anyone in those communities, 3234.8478 3349 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3234.8478 (pause 0.86) 3235.7083 3350 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3235.7083 when those overpass was built, 3237.6648 3351 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3237.6648 (pause 0.50) 3238.1697 3352 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3238.1697 it just 3238.6219 3353 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3238.6219 (pause 0.31) 3238.9336 3354 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3238.9336 the- 3239.0961 3355 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3239.0961 (pause 0.16) 3239.2585 3356 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3239.2585 the 3239.4297 3357 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3239.4297 (pause 0.14) 3239.5746 3358 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3239.5746 decline 3240.2595 3359 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3240.2595 (pause 0.41) 3240.6722 3360 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3240.6722 of the black communities in those areas, 3242.5585 3361 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3242.5585 (pause 0.53) 3243.0897 3362 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3243.0897 just 3243.3795 3363 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3243.3795 (pause 0.17) 3243.5507 3364 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3243.5507 went down, stores and everything. 3245.5570 3365 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3245.5570 (pause 0.57) 3246.1278 3366 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3246.1278 But the- 3246.4571 3367 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3246.4571 (pause 0.51) 3246.9663 3368 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3246.9663 but, as far as integration goes, 3248.5058 3369 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3248.5058 (pause 0.08) 3248.5892 3370 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3248.5892 overall, 3249.1687 3371 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3249.1687 (pause 0.62) 3249.7921 3372 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3249.7921 I think that's the- been the biggest /clux/. But, 3252.0268 3373 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3252.0268 (pause 0.26) 3252.2858 3374 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3252.2858 far as 3252.7819 3375 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3252.7819 (pause 0.47) 3253.2517 3376 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3253.2517 seeing the signs and all that stuff, to me, 3255.5287 3377 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3255.5287 (pause 1.17) 3256.6965 3378 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3256.6965 even now, y- you 3257.8029 3379 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3257.8029 (pause 2.44) 3260.2380 3380 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3260.2380 I 3260.5234 3381 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3260.5234 (pause 0.28) 3260.7999 3382 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3260.7999 always been 3261.6385 3383 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3261.6385 (pause 0.61) 3262.2443 3384 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3262.2443 /could just/ 3262.8195 3385 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3262.8195 (pause 0.35) 3263.1663 3386 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3263.1663 people could say 3264.1497 3387 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3264.1497 (pause 0.34) 3264.4922 3388 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3264.4922 you can see all these signs, and I mean, you can s- you can see all this stuff, 3268.2180 3389 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3268.2180 (pause 1.28) 3269.5000 3390 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3269.5000 but, 3269.8907 3391 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3269.8907 (pause 0.44) 3270.3297 3392 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3270.3297 again, it has to get back to the- 3271.9991 3393 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3271.9991 (pause 0.14) 3272.1440 3394 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3272.1440 to the individual person. 3273.2225 3395 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3273.2225 (pause 0.33) 3273.5518 3396 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3273.5518 The- e- 3274.2235 3397 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3274.2235 (pause 0.29) 3274.5132 3398 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3274.5132 what a- 3274.8337 3399 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3274.8337 (pause 0.25) 3275.0884 3400 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3275.0884 what a person s- 3276.0894 3401 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3276.0894 (pause 0.54) 3276.6250 3402 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3276.6250 what a person say, don't really have to make you- 3279.0118 3403 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3279.0118 (pause 0.33) 3279.3410 3404 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3279.3410 you don't have to be that. 3280.4518 3405 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3280.4518 (pause 0.47) 3280.9215 3406 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3280.9215 You know? 3281.2201 3407 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3281.2201 (pause 0.90) 3282.1157 3408 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3282.1157 I think sometime we- we, um, 3284.0913 3409 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3284.0913 (pause 1.02) 3285.1084 3410 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3285.1084 we- 3285.3015 3411 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3285.3015 (pause 0.26) 3285.5606 3412 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3285.5606 we take on 3286.5089 3413 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3286.5089 (pause 0.50) 3287.0137 3414 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3287.0137 another person poison. 3288.4801 3415 VLD_int_01 3289.3669 Hm. 3289.6567 3416 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3289.7928 when we shouldn't 3290.7060 3417 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3290.7060 (pause 0.12) 3290.8289 3418 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3290.8289 because, 3291.3674 3419 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3291.3674 (pause 0.13) 3291.4947 3420 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3291.4947 what a person say about you don't define you. 3293.8479 3421 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3293.8479 (pause 0.57) 3294.4142 3422 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3294.4142 But, you can take what that person say about you and get so engrossed in it 3298.5176 3423 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3298.5176 (pause 0.57) 3299.0840 3424 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3299.0840 that it becomes 3299.9050 3425 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3299.9050 (pause 0.32) 3300.2298 3426 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3300.2298 part of you. In- instead of you in- 3301.8630 3427 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3301.8630 (pause 0.27) 3302.1352 3428 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3302.1352 instead of you 3302.8728 3429 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3302.8728 (pause 0.46) 3303.3304 3430 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3303.3304 moving a nege- 3304.0636 3431 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3304.0636 (pause 0.14) 3304.2041 3432 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3304.2041 on entertaining negative, 3305.3851 3433 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3305.3851 (pause 0.51) 3305.8987 3434 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3305.8987 my mama always told me, 3307.3256 3435 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3307.3256 (pause 0.86) 3308.1817 3436 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3308.1817 /RD-NAME-1/, you have one responsibility, 3310.0021 3437 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3310.0021 (pause 0.21) 3310.2085 3438 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3310.2085 that's how you treat people. 3311.5739 3439 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3311.5739 (pause 0.52) 3312.0919 3440 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3312.0919 How they treat you is not your responsibility. 3314.3397 3441 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3314.3397 (pause 0.36) 3314.7041 3442 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3314.7041 You don't act on that. 3315.7914 3443 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3315.7914 (pause 0.09) 3315.8792 3444 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3315.8792 You act on 3316.7485 3445 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3316.7485 (pause 0.20) 3316.9504 3446 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3316.9504 positive. You always entertain positive. 3319.0017 3447 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3319.0017 (pause 0.25) 3319.2509 3448 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3319.2509 The negative, 3319.8349 3449 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3319.8349 (pause 0.10) 3319.9358 3450 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3319.9358 you know it's negative, 3320.9105 3451 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3320.9105 (pause 0.16) 3321.0685 3452 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3321.0685 don't entertain that. 3321.8840 3453 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3321.8840 (pause 0.68) 3322.5601 3454 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3322.5601 Invest in your positive. 3323.7542 3455 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3323.7542 (pause 0.22) 3323.9737 3456 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3323.9737 If you invest in your positive, you gonna invest in you. 3326.3181 3457 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3326.3181 (pause 1.03) 3327.3449 3458 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3327.3449 you not gonna get a return out a 3328.9859 3459 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3328.9859 (pause 0.60) 3329.5830 3460 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3329.5830 negative. 3330.1230 3461 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3330.1230 (pause 0.30) 3330.4259 3462 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3330.4259 but you gonna get one out of a positive. 3332.1864 3463 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3332.1864 (pause 0.26) 3332.4455 3464 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3332.4455 So, 3332.7776 3465 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3332.7776 (pause 0.21) 3332.9839 3466 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3332.9839 don't entertain negative. 3334.0903 3467 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3334.0903 (pause 0.09) 3334.1825 3468 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3334.1825 You know? 3334.4942 3469 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3334.4942 (pause 0.53) 3335.0210 3470 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3335.0210 It's not your responsibility. 3336.4654 3471 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3336.4654 (pause 0.33) 3336.7991 3472 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3336.7991 Just do what you know the right thing to do. 3338.7396 3473 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3338.7396 (pause 1.47) 3340.2138 3474 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3340.2138 You'll be better off, no matter what you see going on around you. 3343.0537 3475 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3343.0537 (pause 0.56) 3343.6157 3476 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3343.6157 She said, 3344.1338 3477 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3344.1338 (pause 0.25) 3344.3884 3478 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3344.3884 it always come back to you, you got to invest in yourself. 3347.2890 3479 VLD_int_01 3347.7542 Do you feel like you've lived that 3349.0274 3480 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3349.5235 [Yeah.] 3349.9538 3481 VLD_int_01 3349.6772 [if your] life? 3350.2040 3482 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3350.5333 Mm-hm. 3350.8889 3483 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3350.8889 (pause 0.87) 3351.7566 3484 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3351.7566 Yeah. 3351.9981 3485 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3351.9981 (pause 0.34) 3352.3405 3486 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3352.3405 I try- that's my first thought every day. 3354.4128 3487 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3354.4128 (pause 1.04) 3355.4533 3488 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3355.4533 Praying to my God. 3356.5552 3489 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3356.5552 (pause 0.84) 3357.3966 3490 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3357.3966 And 3357.7435 3491 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3357.7435 (pause 0.18) 3357.9235 3492 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3357.9235 taking in, 3358.4942 3493 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3358.4942 (pause 0.12) 3358.6166 3494 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3358.6166 insight what my mama always told me. 3360.5752 3495 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3360.5752 (pause 0.68) 3361.2557 3496 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3361.2557 It's not 3361.8528 3497 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3361.8528 (pause 1.28) 3363.1327 3498 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3363.1327 I bl- I- 3363.5410 3499 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3363.5410 (pause 0.10) 3363.6419 3500 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3363.6419 I- 3364.0502 3501 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3364.0502 (pause 0.09) 3364.1380 3502 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3364.1380 I had a concept that if anybody gonna be hurt, 3366.7810 3503 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3366.7810 (pause 0.80) 3367.5844 3504 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3367.5844 I can take it. 3368.2605 3505 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3368.2605 (pause 0.13) 3368.3878 3506 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3368.3878 Let it be me. 3369.0815 3507 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3369.0815 (pause 0.13) 3369.2073 3508 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3369.2073 If you- 3369.5278 3509 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3369.5278 (pause 0.22) 3369.7473 3510 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3369.7473 if you have to cast your 3371.0205 3511 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3371.0205 (pause 0.43) 3371.4463 3512 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3371.4463 ugliness 3372.1620 3513 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3372.1620 (pause 0.18) 3372.3464 3514 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3372.3464 l- 3372.5307 3515 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3372.5307 (pause 0.24) 3372.7722 3516 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3372.7722 toward me, that's fine. 3374.0717 3517 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3374.0717 (pause 1.25) 3375.3171 3518 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3375.3171 /But the-/ 3375.6071 3519 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3375.6071 (pause 0.53) 3376.1336 3520 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3376.1336 I just 3376.6341 3521 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3376.6341 (pause 0.38) 3377.0161 3522 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3377.0161 I won't never 3377.7493 3523 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3377.7493 (pause 0.46) 3378.2059 3524 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3378.2059 cast my positive 3379.3254 3525 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3379.3254 (pause 0.68) 3380.0059 3526 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3380.0059 which is positive 3380.8927 3527 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3380.8927 (pause 0.47) 3381.3653 3528 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3381.3653 towards you for ha- 3382.3663 3529 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3382.3663 (pause 0.16) 3382.5244 3530 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3382.5244 for negative. 3383.4683 3531 VLD_int_01 3383.9732 Mm-hm. 3384.3200 3532 VLD_int_01 3384.3200 (pause 3.05) 3387.3697 3533 VLD_int_01 3387.3697 Wa- are you a big- 3388.5595 3534 VLD_int_01 3388.5595 (pause 0.75) 3389.3059 3535 VLD_int_01 3389.3059 well, yes, cause I know, cause you come from church, but I'm gonna ask you anyway. 3391.6459 3536 VLD_int_01 3391.6459 (pause 0.52) 3392.1639 3537 VLD_int_01 3392.1639 Um. 3392.8796 3538 VLD_int_01 3392.8796 (pause 0.13) 3393.0113 3539 VLD_int_01 3393.0113 Are you a big church, 3394.4849 3540 VLD_int_01 3394.4849 (pause 0.46) 3394.9415 3541 VLD_int_01 3394.9415 religious, spiritual person? 3396.3420 3542 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3396.9961 Mm-hm. 3397.3254 3543 VLD_int_01 3398.6864 Did you grow up in church? 3399.7649 3544 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3401.8283 Uh, somewhat. My mom was always involved with church, I- 3405.0727 3545 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3405.0727 (pause 0.26) 3405.3302 3546 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3405.3302 I was in church, 3406.2654 3547 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3406.2654 (pause 0.09) 3406.3576 3548 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3406.3576 but I mean, you- 3406.8932 3549 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3406.8932 (pause 0.71) 3407.6044 3550 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3407.6044 you sort of 3408.2805 3551 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3408.2805 (pause 0.23) 3408.5132 3552 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3408.5132 as you get older, you sort of, you know, st- stray away from it, but you know. 3412.7176 3553 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3412.7176 (pause 0.75) 3413.4683 3554 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3413.4683 But, I- I am 3414.3288 3555 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3414.3288 (pause 0.37) 3414.6976 3556 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3414.6976 a 3415.0488 3557 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3415.0488 (pause 0.46) 3415.5098 3558 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3415.5098 big proponent of- 3416.4449 3559 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3416.4449 (pause 0.54) 3416.9849 3560 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3416.9849 of church. 3417.6683 3561 VLD_int_01 3418.1732 Um. 3418.5946 3562 VLD_int_01 3418.5946 (pause 1.43) 3420.0259 3563 VLD_int_01 3420.0259 When did we meet? 3420.9347 3564 VLD_int_01 3420.9347 (pause 0.68) 3421.6151 3565 VLD_int_01 3421.6151 I think I was. 3422.6732 3566 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3422.8005 Probably you might have been the sixth grade, maybe. 3425.2356 3567 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3425.2356 (pause 0.71) 3425.9468 3568 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3425.9468 Junior? 3426.4342 3569 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3426.4342 (pause 0.12) 3426.5527 3570 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3426.5527 What year? I don't [know. No, I think] you [wa-] 3428.5707 3571 VLD_int_01 3427.6795 [Maybe.] 3428.0922 3572 VLD_int_01 3428.0922 (pause 0.37) 3428.4610 3573 VLD_int_01 3428.4610 [When] I 3429.1063 3574 VLD_int_01 3429.3374 cause when I moved here, my mom didn't move here yet. 3431.5062 3575 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3431.7037 Mm-hm. 3432.1998 3576 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3432.1998 (pause 2.02) 3434.2151 3577 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3434.2151 I met you at Antioch. You [was probably] in 3436.5024 3578 VLD_int_01 3435.6112 [Mm-hm.] 3435.9668 3579 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3436.7351 [junior] high school maybe? 3438.0478 3580 VLD_int_01 3436.7351 [Um.] 3436.9415 3581 VLD_int_01 3436.9415 (pause 1.05) 3437.9894 3582 VLD_int_01 3437.9894 [Mm.] 3438.5439 3583 VLD_int_01 3438.6449 [It may] have been like fifth [grade.] 3440.1387 3584 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3438.7151 Uh. 3438.8820 3585 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3438.8820 (pause 1.05) 3439.9297 3586 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3439.9297 [Gra-] yeah. Fifth grade. [Yeah.] 3441.3811 3587 VLD_int_01 3441.2670 [Mm-hm.] 3442.0336 3588 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3442.0336 [Mm-hm.] 3442.4381 3589 VLD_int_01 3442.2123 [Cause] I moved here in the fourth [grade] 3443.9941 3590 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3443.7622 [Mm-hm.] 3444.2443 3591 VLD_int_01 3444.6593 I going with my 3445.4449 3592 VLD_int_01 3445.4449 (pause 0.23) 3445.6707 3593 VLD_int_01 3445.6707 grandma, but we didn't go as often, and then when my mom came, 3448.7166 3594 VLD_int_01 3448.7166 (pause 0.68) 3449.3965 3595 VLD_int_01 3449.3965 we went all the time. So, yeah. Probably fifth [grade,] so [it's been a long time.] 3453.9363 3596 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3451.5866 [Mm.] 3451.8185 3597 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3451.8185 (pause 0.27) 3452.0870 3598 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3452.0870 [Mm-hm.] 3452.4775 3599 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3452.4775 (pause 0.44) 3452.9168 3600 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3452.9168 [Long.] 3453.2036 3601 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3453.2036 (pause 0.64) 3453.8435 3602 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3453.8435 [Mm-hm.] 3454.3438 3603 VLD_int_01 3454.6734 Um. 3455.4178 3604 VLD_int_01 3455.4178 (pause 0.27) 3455.6924 3605 VLD_int_01 3455.6924 I just remember 3456.5166 3606 VLD_int_01 3456.5166 (pause 0.74) 3457.2611 3607 VLD_int_01 3457.2611 um, 3457.7492 3608 VLD_int_01 3457.7492 (pause 0.39) 3458.1398 3609 VLD_int_01 3458.1398 what that your- what was your home church? 3460.0131 3610 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3461.3412 My original church was Antioch. 3463.4464 3611 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3463.4464 (pause 0.29) 3463.7332 3612 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3463.7332 I mean uh, 3464.4105 3613 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3464.4105 (pause 0.09) 3464.5021 3614 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3464.5021 Hosanna. 3465.2099 3615 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3465.2099 (pause 0.60) 3465.8086 3616 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3465.8086 [That's my mom and them church] 3467.1144 3617 VLD_int_01 3465.8452 [Okay.] 3466.2052 3618 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3467.3134 [Down] in Lake Park. 3468.2043 3619 VLD_int_01 3467.3134 [Mm-hm.] 3467.8137 3620 VLD_int_01 3468.4972 And the how'd you end up at Antioch? 3469.6444 3621 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3470.5430 Um. 3471.2692 3622 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3471.2692 (pause 0.16) 3471.4339 3623 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3471.4339 My wife church. That was they family church. 3474.0756 3624 VLD_int_01 3474.0199 Oh. 3474.2640 3625 VLD_int_01 3474.3799 Okay. [Well, that's] 3475.1549 3626 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3474.7094 [Mm-hm.] 3475.1549 3627 VLD_int_01 3475.3197 an- and then now where do you go? 3476.6804 3628 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3477.1381 I'm a m- 3477.5183 3629 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3477.5183 (pause 0.09) 3477.6098 3630 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3477.6098 um, church at Pine Hill. 3479.4648 3631 VLD_int_01 3479.7211 [Oh. Mm-hm.] 3480.5083 3632 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3479.9591 [Um.] 3480.1361 3633 VLD_int_01 3480.6731 [Mm-hm.] 3481.2345 3634 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3480.6853 [Mm-hm.] 3480.9843 3635 VLD_int_01 3482.2108 Um. 3482.7844 3636 VLD_int_01 3482.7844 (pause 0.10) 3482.8821 3637 VLD_int_01 3482.8821 Couple last, last couple questions for you. 3485.0144 3638 VLD_int_01 3485.0144 (pause 0.48) 3485.4965 3639 VLD_int_01 3485.4965 Um. 3486.1189 3640 VLD_int_01 3486.1189 (pause 0.15) 3486.2715 3641 VLD_int_01 3486.2715 If you could leave one piece of advice, 3488.5562 3642 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3488.6172 Mm-hm. 3489.0688 3643 VLD_int_01 3489.9048 to anyone, 3490.4575 3644 VLD_int_01 3490.4575 (pause 0.18) 3490.6371 3645 VLD_int_01 3490.6371 it could be 3491.4033 3646 VLD_int_01 3491.4033 (pause 2.07) 3493.4781 3647 VLD_int_01 3493.4781 to your kids, it could be just any, some youth, it could be just anybody. What would that piece of advice be and who would you leave it to? 3499.4578 3648 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3500.5128 Mm. I would list 3501.9285 3649 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3501.9285 (pause 2.08) 3504.0130 3650 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3504.0130 to the world, 3504.7513 3651 VLD_int_01 3505.2826 Mm-hm. 3505.5934 3652 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3505.5934 What my mom always told me. 3507.2983 3653 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3507.9451 I have one responsibility 3509.5988 3654 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3509.5988 (pause 1.05) 3510.6494 3655 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3510.6494 of how I treat people. 3512.0346 3656 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3512.0346 (pause 0.19) 3512.2237 3657 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3512.2237 Not how they treat me. 3513.3680 3658 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3513.3680 (pause 0.67) 3514.0332 3659 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3514.0332 That's- 3514.5518 3660 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3514.5518 (pause 0.93) 3515.4794 3661 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3515.4794 That's the greatest 3516.3093 3662 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3516.3093 (pause 0.27) 3516.5839 3663 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3516.5839 other than 3517.2410 3664 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3517.2410 (pause 0.12) 3517.3569 3665 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3517.3569 my savior 3518.1807 3666 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3518.1807 (pause 0.13) 3518.3149 3667 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3518.3149 that's the greatest advice I would k- I received. 3520.7567 3668 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3520.7567 (pause 0.55) 3521.3111 3669 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3521.3111 And it's always been a- 3522.4338 3670 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3522.4338 (pause 1.79) 3524.2222 3671 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3524.2222 it's been a, um, 3525.5403 3672 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3525.5403 (pause 0.39) 3525.9308 3673 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3525.9308 stabling force in my life. 3527.5845 3674 VLD_int_01 3529.1051 Like if- 3529.5262 3675 VLD_int_01 3529.5262 (pause 0.32) 3529.8435 3676 VLD_int_01 3529.8435 if everybody 3530.9663 3677 VLD_int_01 3530.9663 (pause 0.58) 3531.5460 3678 VLD_int_01 3531.5460 applied that 3532.4186 3679 VLD_int_01 3532.4186 (pause 0.78) 3533.1999 3680 VLD_int_01 3533.1999 I think we would be in a very different [situation.] 3535.2333 3681 VLD_se0_ag4_m_01 3534.8108 [Mm.] Mm-hm. 3535.7886