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1	DCB_int_01	0.2513	And when is your birthday?	1.4543
2	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2.5361	Four two fifty-seven.	3.8884
3	DCB_int_01	5.8503	And where were you born?	6.6990
4	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	7.3285	DC General Hospital, Washington DC, District of Columbia.	11.8596
5	DCB_int_01	11.9467	And what neighborhood did you grow up in?	13.5243
6	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	14.1584	Well I grew up in	15.7194
8		15.9805	a couple of neighborhoods. The first neighborhood that I	18.8295
10		19.5523	um-	19.9440
12		20.9045	w- w-	21.1983
14		21.9059	Around um,	23.0063
16		23.7011	Fifth and P.	24.4518
18		25.2725	Um,	25.8554
20		26.1538	Shaw area.	27.0724
22		27.3382	Um,	27.6739
24		28.6566	went to /RD-SCHOOL-5/ Elementary School,	30.5358
26		31.3658	and then attend-	32.1818
28		32.4662	I attended the original /RD-SCHOOL-1/ Junior High School	35.0390
30		35.4773	on um, Seventh and /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Avenue, which is now	38.4802
32		38.9931	um, a senior citizen home. And they	41.0576
34		41.3467	built a new Shaw	42.4285
36		43.0160	uh, further down.	44.1211
37	DCB_int_01	45.1097	Okay, and so	46.2055
39		47.2068	this was North	48.1954
41		48.6057	West.	49.3191
42	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	49.2725	This is [Northwest.]	50.5688
43	DCB_int_01	50.1724	[Okay.]	50.5734
44	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	50.8019	Mm-hm.	51.2402
45	DCB_int_01	51.2589	Shaw is- I'm still tryna get that neighborhood cause I don't know that neighborhood [/very well/.]	55.0487
46	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	54.4005	[Shaw area is the] Howard U- [near] Howard University, um,	57.6319
47	DCB_int_01	55.7341	[/?/]	55.9906
48	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	58.3582	LeDroit Park area.	59.7897
50		60.3259	Yeah.	60.6290
51	DCB_int_01	61.1792	And um, have you lived in other places outside of	64.2836
53		64.4794	DC?	64.8385
54	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	64.9131	I have never lived in any place else	67.6036
56		67.7434	other than the District of Columbia.	69.1656
57	DCB_int_01	69.4734	Mm!	69.9618
59		70.0877	That is great. We don't have-	71.6918
60	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	72.1674	A true Washingtonian?	73.2127
61	DCB_int_01	73.2025	We have some,	74.4382
62		74.5595	but usually like- The one I interviewed the other day, he had lived in	78.2467
64		78.8342	um-	79.2911
66		79.4264	He lived in DC all his life for- except like three years, he lived in Baltimore.	82.5307
68		82.9224	Or you know, so most people-	84.4658
70		84.7596	I had one lady, she lived all her life, and then she	86.8299
72		87.0118	left to go to college and she-	88.1717
74		88.3628	After six months, she came back and then she went to UDC. So	90.9974
76		91.8134	e- It's-	92.6107
78		92.8859	I've gotten some luck- I've gotten lucky with some, but sometimes you don't see a lot that	96.7829
80		96.9134	done everything-	97.9579
81	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	98.1818	Right here.	98.7273
82	DCB_int_01	98.7879	Mm-hm.	99.1330
83	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	99.1050	Yeah.	99.5293
84		99.7858	Yeah, yeah. This is home. Um,	102.1738
86		103.3751	my mom is not originally from DC, but my dad [is.]	106.2480
87	DCB_int_01	106.0271	[Okay], where's- Okay, that's a good- Where's mom from?	107.9156
88	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	108.1394	My mother is from Augusta, Georgia.	109.6595
89	DCB_int_01	110.0139	Oh!	110.6714
91		110.7786	I lived there for a few months.	112.1670
92	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	112.5167	Uh-huh.	113.0343
93	DCB_int_01	113.5845	And dad is from DC?	114.7223
94	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	114.8622	My father's from DC. My mother came to DC when she was thirteen and never went back.	119.5099
95	DCB_int_01	120.1487	So she's kind of from DC.	121.3797
96	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	121.5103	No. She is not [kind of- That's not considered] [DC.]	124.3873
97	DCB_int_01	122.4056	[She's not- <laugh> Do-]	123.9210
99		124.2183	[That's] not from [DC?]	125.1555
100	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	124.9783	[No.] You're not- When you not- You [have got] to-	126.9974
101	DCB_int_01	126.2746	[You didn't-]	126.5591
102	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	127.3891	Well at one time when I was coming up, m-	129.4221
104		129.5666	around the time, they would say	131.0156
106		131.3420	you would have to have been at least	133.5010
108		133.8787	minimum the second generation, if not the third.	136.4514
109	DCB_int_01	137.0669	Before you could say you were from [DC?]	138.5684
110	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	138.3119	[Mm-hm.]	138.7642
111	DCB_int_01	138.7736	Wow.	139.0766
113		139.3424	And what did your m-	139.8134
115		139.9113	fath- father do?	140.6807
116	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	141.1283	My father	142.3115
118		142.4421	uh,	142.9177
120		143.1835	I think initially	144.4845
122		144.7223	uh, what I recall most- I didn't	146.4615
124		146.7366	live with my dad.	147.5853
126		147.7858	My mom and dad were not married.	149.3887
128		149.8317	Uh, my father remarried and left DC,	151.9393
130		152.3869	but what I recall- What I think he did was	155.3887
132		157.0813	nothing important, uh, um, that they would c- consider- It was an honest living.	161.2161
134		161.6925	Um, I think he worked	163.3152
136		165.5009	for a laundry	166.3169
138		166.7972	[or something], driving a truck or something.	168.7510
139	DCB_int_01	166.8718	[Hm.]	167.1330
140	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	169.3432	And I think um, he was fortunate enough to	172.4242
142		173.0117	um, get a government job,	174.6624
144		175.3199	and he lived in New York the rest of his life.	177.9579
145	DCB_int_01	178.3309	Gotcha. And where- What about mom?	179.7391
146	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	180.0422	My mom stayed here in DC until,	182.3224
148		182.5287	you know, /um, her demise/.	183.9929
149	DCB_int_01	183.9885	And what did she do?	184.6926
150	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	185.0097	My mom did-	185.8910
152		186.7432	She was The Help.	187.7643
153	DCB_int_01	188.0581	She-	188.3192
154	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	189.0979	My mom was The Help.	190.2263
156		190.7346	I hate that movie <laugh> cause that remind me so much of my mother	194.1143
158		194.4311	and [so] much pain she endured.	196.4641
159	DCB_int_01	194.5477	[/Mm/.]	194.7762
160	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	196.8885	Uh, she cleaned up the- Cleared people's homes.	199.5918
161	DCB_int_01	200.6689	And how-	201.0280
163		201.3730	Now because that was- So that was like the [forties and] fifti- [That was-]	205.4006
164	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	204.0437	[That was in-]	204.5846
166		205.0183	[That was the] [fifties.] That was definitely the fifties. I was born in fifty seven. She did it up until-	210.3153
167	DCB_int_01	205.6105	[fifties.]	206.1467
168	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	210.6219	I wanna say she did it up until	212.4218
170		212.7715	early sixties, and then she did	214.7253
172		215.2522	always sometime type of maintenance work.	217.2887
174		217.6757	Um, she went from cleaning people's homes to	220.7159
176		221.1263	cleaning um, buildings.	223.1302
178		223.2374	You know, um,	224.2073
180		224.7109	apartment buildings where people would leave out and-	227.2195
182		227.6019	and so sh-	228.1708
184		228.3794	a group of people would come in and clean it but it was owned by a company.	231.5595
185	DCB_int_01	232.0352	So,	232.4362
187		233.0657	do you- do you remember your mom either telling you a lot of stories? Or do you remember like,	237.1352
189		237.3544	seeing your mom, especially because racial tensions in the city	239.9691
190	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	240.0577	[Mm-hm.]	240.4447
191	DCB_int_01	240.2722	[at] that point- even now,	241.3447
192		241.6431	but I think	242.0348
194		242.4125	especially as we are getting to the Civil Rights era,	245.0050
196		245.6112	how do you feel like, with her being	247.7457
198		247.9322	The Help as you-	248.6083
200		248.7762	as you said	249.4710
202		249.8626	that-	250.0771
203	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	250.1564	I had a lot of resentment,	251.4294
205		251.6718	a lot- Cause they didn't treat her right.	253.3866
207		253.5079	They didn't treat her well. Um,	255.2285
209		255.3870	you know, they would give her	256.6973
211		257.2662	food that they, you know	258.6732
213		259.8856	didn't wanna waste, what they called not wanting to waste, and would bring home.	263.4900
215		264.1241	And um,	265.5778
217		267.1306	you know, I grew up in the six- You know, I came up	269.3874
219		269.8910	when um, the M-	271.1255
221		271.3120	the March on Washington happened, and we lived at Fifth and P.	274.3382
223		275.0377	And I can remember my mother- When Martin was killed, my mother was saying,	278.5244
225		279.3730	I just got to be there. I just -	281.0983
227		281.6159	/<clap>/	281.8770
229		282.0122	I don't think she had any political	283.7317
231		284.2213	/<clap>/	284.4218
233		285.5502	you know um,	286.3616
235		286.9025	s- stake in anything. I think she just felt she needed to be there. She took it very hard,	291.2984
237		291.7927	I can remember.	292.6134
239		293.0843	Um,	293.6066
241		294.1463	we- She took her children down to the Martin uh- to the monument.	297.8859
243		298.4502	We walked,	299.1589
245		299.6905	you know. That's how close we were, really.	301.4006
247		301.7550	Cause when you live on Fifth and P,	303.1492
249		303.5409	it's nothing keeping you from anything but New York Avenue, so [we walked] a lot.	307.5312
250	DCB_int_01	306.5566	[Mm-hm.]	307.0929
251	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	307.9788	So often as a child growing up,	309.9186
253		310.3942	we played,	311.1263
255		311.2289	walked downtown and	312.7478
257		313.0136	walked up and down the monument steps	314.8321
259		315.1912	on a number of occasions. Uh, that was what we did with our pass time.	318.3573
261		318.8457	We would get up in the morning, do our chores, and	321.0653
263		322.0771	<clap> she never said, where you going? Whatchu gonna do? Just stay out of trouble.	325.2654
264	DCB_int_01	325.7224	And that was your neighborhood-	327.0000
266		327.4430	Think about back then. Were you-	329.3501
268		329.8584	First of all, are you a only child or do you have siblings?	331.6804
269	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	331.6244	I have a sibling. I have two s-	333.1585
270		333.2891	ts- two deceased siblings. I have an older sister who's deceased,	336.3561
272		336.8691	and I have a younger brother who's deceased. So I'm what they call the middle [child, the knee] baby. [But my mo-]	341.9411
273	DCB_int_01	340.6786	[Mm.]	341.0190
275		341.5168	[The knee] baby.	342.3188
276	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	342.3002	The knee baby, that's what they called you. The knee baby. So I was the one that kind of	345.9979
277		346.2916	balanced everything out. Um,	348.5718
279		349.4146	I was the one that-	350.5057
281		351.4849	Not knowing then,	352.7579
283		352.9398	um,	353.3314
285		354.3794	my mother always said had the level head,	356.2819
287		356.5524	you [know, more] or less, so.	358.1098
288	DCB_int_01	356.8135	[Mm.]	357.1865
289	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	358.5574	Um, I wasn't shy	359.8304
291		360.1323	um, or anything like that. I just did it.	362.3519
292	DCB_int_01	362.8042	So in your neighborhood- Okay, so did y'all play together?	364.8465
294		364.9351	Were [y'all close in age] enough that y'all played together, and [were there a lot of other kids?]	368.8554
295	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	365.0517	[Oh, y-]	365.8490
297		367.1675	[Yeah, we played when we were younger.] We played together- younger. We played with the neighborhood kids til the street lights came [on.]	373.2840
298	DCB_int_01	373.0835	[Mm.]	373.2747
299	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	373.7643	Um, [/unintelligible/-]	374.9674
300	DCB_int_01	374.2586	[I hear that a lot.]	374.9301
301	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	375.1539	Right.	375.4523
303		375.6435	Growing up on- going to /RD-NAME-5/ Elementary School for me,	378.6965
305		379.0416	I only had to cross one street,	380.3845
307		380.7529	so my mother never had to walk us to school. She'd just say, go to school.	384.2221
309		384.9064	And so there was a corner store where we bought our penny candy.	387.8999
311		388.5434	And we played in neighborhood	389.8817
313		390.0122	from sun up to sun down, and	391.4566
315		391.5545	you know, we went out of the neighborhood.	393.0420
317		393.4756	We were never afraid.	394.9211
319		395.3408	Uh, back then it was um-	396.8038
321		397.3633	at um-	398.0907
323		398.6829	Between O and P and Seventh Street,	400.7672
325		401.1123	was the Kennedy Playground,	402.6091
327		403.2281	and it was named after the Kennedys. And we played on that playground,	406.7859
329		407.0190	and we-	407.6812
331		408.1836	The um,	408.7478
333		409.5452	<ts>	409.6617
335		409.7970	fire department would come d- around, and cut the water on when it was real hot,	413.2335
337		413.6205	so we played in the water.	414.7570
338	DCB_int_01	414.9483	Mm.	415.1815
340		415.7833	/I'm not sure what that is/	416.9767
341	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	416.9720	Uh, we played in the water. Um,	419.1403
342		420.1008	um,	420.4878
344		421.7550	all the time. We just played outside all the time.	424.0771
345	DCB_int_01	424.3289	Do you remember a time when	425.9470
347		426.1650	you felt like the neighborhood shifted?	427.9602
349		428.2493	Or had you moved out by then?	429.8673
350	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	430.5705	<ts> I didn't really start to really feel that until I was um,	436.2870
352		436.9817	and adult.	437.4702
354		437.6054	I never saw that. I mean, everybody had their own neighborhood.	440.5710
356		441.0093	We didn't have- You know it was always a sprinkle	443.3501
358		444.0530	of- of- of white people living in- somewhere, but they didn't	447.5222
360		448.0631	mingle,	448.5807
362		448.7299	intermingle with us. They didn't engage with us. Um,	451.7177
364		452.2166	they weren't rude or anything. Um, it's just like, they said, you know, you didn't bother them. They didn't bother [us.]	457.2607
365	DCB_int_01	456.4896	[Bother you. Mm-hm.]	457.3866
366	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	457.8529	Um, of course you had white teachers back then.	460.3662
368		460.9351	Um,	461.4573
370		462.3142	I didn't have white teachers in elementary school. I had white teachers in high school. I went to c- c-	466.7253
372		467.1776	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ High School.	468.3200
373	DCB_int_01	468.3515	Mm-hm.	468.7478
374	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	469.1255	And um,	470.4078
376		470.9813	as a matter of fact,	471.9839
378		472.1424	one of the teachers who influenced me the most was white. Her name was Miss /RD-NAME-3/.	475.7317
379	DCB_int_01	476.0907	And how did- What did- What did she do?	477.4476
380	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	477.7740	She was a hippie.	478.5481
382		479.0050	She drove a- She /wolk/- She drove a Volkswagen bus,	481.8529
384		482.4964	and see, by the time I got to high school,	484.4129
386		485.4154	I was married	486.1929
388		487.0276	with two children.	487.8110
389	DCB_int_01	488.6176	Oh!	488.7948
391		489.0420	Okay, we're gonna have to back up. [/inaudible/ That was a lot of] jump.	492.6184
392	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	490.0678	[I know. I know- I was getting ready to say, you might wanna back-]	492.1894
393		492.7059	Right.	493.1348
395		493.3633	But it's not really because it's-	495.4243
397		495.5549	it's a jump, but listen. Okay.	497.3734
399		497.5040	Let me tell you my story. My story consist of	499.8669
401		500.2353	there were three children. My mother was a single mother.	502.6973
403		503.4667	Um, all three of us had three different fathers.	505.9928
405		506.7715	Um,	507.4570
407		508.5388	we moved,	509.3175
409		509.6019	you know, um-	510.6639
411		511.3913	We never lived in public housing.	513.1819
413		513.7834	Um, we always kind of	515.3967
415		516.0624	were able to maintain.	517.5452
417		517.9648	My stepfather worked for /RD-WORK-5/.	520.5807
419		520.9817	We were the first kids in the neighborhood to have a television,	523.5452
421		523.9508	walkie talkies and things like that.	525.6481
423		525.8906	As a matter of fact, we was one of the first to have a telephone,	528.0635
425		529.4985	you know. And	530.7762
427		531.0513	so we lived /din/- lived downtown DC for a long time.	534.9297
429		535.4799	Um,	536.0581
431		536.8601	as I got to junior high school,	538.8698
433		539.3641	things started to change for me.	540.9950
435		541.7457	Um,	542.3239
437		542.7062	the family dynamic started to changed.	544.8652
439		545.5413	And um,	546.7991
441		547.7084	you tryna come into who you are.	549.2471
443		549.3637	Who [are y- Who] am I? What am I? What am I gonna do? What am I gonna be?	552.7245
444	DCB_int_01	549.7134	[Hm.]	549.9186
445	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	553.3680	But a lot of stuff was going on. The riots came and	556.4082
447		556.8745	people were out of work and um,	559.2607
449		560.2026	there was no vision.	561.1306
451		562.0212	It was nobody telling you that you could go to college. There was nobody telling you	566.0208
453		566.5710	um, that you could do more than what you were doing.	568.7393
455		569.4107	There were a lot of people telling you, [you know-]	571.8389
456	DCB_int_01	571.1955	[<fumbling with the mic> I'm just gonna unclip this.] I think it will be easier for you.]	573.5641
457	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	573.5641	Okay.	574.1774
458	DCB_int_01	574.5613	That way you don't have to-	575.4688
459	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	576.1370	[I think there were a lot of]	577.1162
461		578.0348	folks	578.4638
463		578.6410	who	579.1679
465		580.3662	were just making it.	581.2009
467		581.8619	You know, um, a lot of people lost their jobs.	584.6922
469		585.4336	The neighbors helped each other,	586.9911
471		587.1170	you know. Nobody went hungry.	588.6825
472	DCB_int_01	588.8364	Mm-hm.	589.2654
473	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	589.3260	Um, nobody	590.5943
475		591.0839	f- furniture and stuff was set outdoors, you know, because people took it in.	594.9203
477		595.2234	People cared about people then.	596.5943
479		597.1259	You know, it wasn't a shame for that	598.7486
481		598.8745	to happen.	599.4900
482	DCB_int_01	599.7779	Right.	600.1416
483	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	600.4074	Um,	601.0929
485		602.2446	and	602.8881
487		603.0886	somehow, I became	604.8791
489		606.5240	a major	607.4566
491		607.6711	role in my family, somehow.	609.6901
493		610.2263	My mom	611.0517
495		611.8537	started drinking. She had a	613.4752
497		614.5337	tumultuous relationship with my fath- stepfather.	617.6532
499		618.2162	Um, as children, you know, you had a place. You didn't inter- You know, you didn't intervene.	622.1284
501		622.9164	And so with that going on, you kind of get lost in the shuffle I think.	626.3285
503		626.9580	And in	627.5036
505		627.8906	getting lost,	628.8978
507		629.6625	I found my	630.4552
509		631.5172	partner,	631.9788
511		632.5477	which was	633.3497
513		634.1750	young man I married.	635.2382
515		635.4061	He was my first love and only love.	637.2747
517		637.6151	We were kids.	638.4265
519		638.7016	I was thirteen when I met him.	640.0585
521		640.5900	We were in junior high school, and	642.0962
523		642.4634	we had moved from Fifth Street	644.0954
525		644.5617	to Sixteenth Street. Oh, we were moving up [then.]	647.0470
526	DCB_int_01	646.6460	[Mm.]	647.3781
527	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	647.5040	We lived at /RD-ADDRESS-8/,	649.9742
529		650.2399	and at that point,	651.2331
531		651.5549	they had built a brand new /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Junior High School.	654.3480
533		654.8038	So I transferred from /RD-SCHOOL-1/ Junior High going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	657.5829
535		659.4014	And	660.0216
537		660.2069	going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, I met my husband. He was a basketball player,	663.6015
539		663.8486	you know, and	664.7579
541		665.2708	other things were going on, and I realized I wanted to do other things, and	668.7249
543		669.3684	um,	669.8859
545		670.1564	my mother was kind of going through something at that time.	672.9250
547		673.6617	Um, I'm not sure how much you wanna know.	675.3171
548	DCB_int_01	675.9186	You tell- I'm-	676.7159
550		676.8931	I'm [enjoying] it.	677.7418
551	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	677.1822	[Oh.]	677.5972
552	DCB_int_01	678.0868	[So as much] as you wanna share.	679.5498
553	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	678.0903	[Oh.]	678.5333
554		679.6664	Okay, so,	680.6223
556		681.1492	um,	681.6668
558		682.7159	we all th-	683.1543
560		683.3454	all three of us kind of went our- We k- started	685.4239
562		685.6757	kind of being on our own a lot	687.1271
564		687.2285	when we became teenagers because	689.3874
566		689.9843	my mother was in another world. She became an alcoholic.	692.7622
567	DCB_int_01	692.8321	Mm-hm.	693.1166
568	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	693.6342	And so we were kind of raising ourselves to a- some degree- Not really, she paid o-	697.9788
570		698.1234	She made- We always had food to eat.	699.6715
572		699.7834	We never went without food.	700.9444
574		701.2429	We never went without a roof over our head.	702.9856
576		703.5778	Um, and we never went without clothes on our back.	705.9093
578		706.7393	They may not have been the latest fashions, but we	709.1255
580		709.4473	were never without food.	710.8974
582		711.3824	Um, we always had a spiritual foundation.	713.9703
584		714.8597	She wasn't the most religious person, but she certainly believed in Jesus Christ and believed in	719.2941
586		719.5506	worshiping.	720.3013
588		721.6198	And so	722.6176
590		723.0000	from	723.5968
592		724.4968	junior high school, my- that's when my life started.	727.1721
594		727.2701	Um,	727.7457
596		727.9275	by that time,	728.6969
598		729.0979	my sister had already gotten pregnant.	730.8605
599	DCB_int_01	731.6765	And how old is your older sister- How many years are y'all apart?	733.9648
600	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	734.3658	My sister got pregnant when she was twelve. She's two years older.	737.0237
601	DCB_int_01	737.4667	Oh, gotcha. Okay.	738.1614
602	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	738.6033	So, back then,	739.8156
604		740.0115	there was no abortions.	741.3544
606		741.4570	[Back then], my mother came from the south, where	744.3293
607	DCB_int_01	741.5595	[Mm.]	741.9839
608	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	745.0509	it wasn't frowned upon. It wasn't a-	747.2611
610		747.4430	the best situation,	748.6320
612		749.1822	but she didn't believe in the- giving a child up, and	752.0197
614		752.3985	so my mother	753.2285
616		753.3824	raised my	754.0491
618		754.5154	niece	755.1030
620		755.2102	almost like her own.	756.3142
622		756.8271	You know, but for somehow, my sister just never got back on track.	760.7253
624		761.3314	She never got back on track. She kind of just kind of floated through a little bit.	765.3590
626		766.0258	Um,	766.5900
628		767.0703	I- I guess I was the one who always	769.2141
630		769.8716	wanted more than what we had, so consequently	772.9724
632		773.6485	um,	774.1941
634		774.6173	I was always looking for an out.	775.9835
635	DCB_int_01	776.2959	Mm.	776.5477
636	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	776.5384	Always looking for an out.	777.9745
637		778.8045	And so my stepfather and I did not get along	781.2437
639		781.4078	at all.	781.8928
641		782.3311	I think we re- resented each other. I resented him because	784.9458
643		785.6639	he didn't treat my mother nicely, and he resented me cause I had a mouth.	789.3849
645		789.8360	I was pretty [mouthy.]	790.8254
646	DCB_int_01	790.4142	[So you] was- gonna say something.	791.6872
647	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	791.7805	I did,	792.1721
649		792.7923	as a child.	793.5943
651		793.8182	I always said something. And he told my mother I was the-	796.2837
653		796.6287	I was the meanest little child he had ever seen.	798.6151
655		798.9136	And	799.4125
657		800.0047	I think	800.6062
659		800.7915	then	801.5096
661		801.9666	me speaking up gave my mother some support. Cause she never spoke up.	805.2539
662	DCB_int_01	805.2726	Mm.	805.5151
663	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	806.2145	I spoke up.	806.9967
665		807.0900	I'm like,	807.6915
667		808.1671	really?	808.5821
669		809.2302	You- You don't have to take that from him. He's not your- you know,	811.6456
671		811.9347	he doesn't-	812.4383
673		812.6575	shouldn't treat you like that, and he's certainly not my father.	814.9831
675		815.7245	<laugh> Whatever that meant as a child, but	818.2052
677		819.0247	somehow I took on-	820.7453
679		820.9924	become an adult	821.8597
681		821.9996	right then and there at thirteen.	823.4218
683		824.4243	I became an adult.	825.3149
685		826.2790	Um, I met my children's father at that time, and	829.6876
687		830.2658	I was in eight grade, and	832.3163
689		832.6381	he was in	833.5613
691		833.6965	ninth grade. And	835.0068
693		835.5897	he had a lot going on in his l-	837.1890
695		838.2837	dish-	838.8013
697		840.1069	ruptive life. His mother	841.9907
699		842.4197	was ill.	843.2065
701		843.7801	His father	844.6893
703		845.9856	m- moved on with his life with another family, and	848.9326
705		849.4863	it was h-	849.8640
707		850.0412	he and his siblings tryna make it.	851.9950
709		853.6689	And so we kind of l-	854.5316
711		855.0060	latched [on to each other.]	856.5634
712	DCB_int_01	855.5236	[On to each other.]	856.4482
713	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	857.7665	And um, became an item.	859.6923
715		860.0093	And we had	861.8594
717		862.4422	/RD-NAME-3/ and /RD-NAME-2/ and	863.8737
719		864.4799	we were married.	865.5617
721		866.4663	And we tried to make the best of it.	868.3909
722	DCB_int_01	868.4096	So how old were you when you got married?	870.0556
723	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	870.2188	<laugh>	870.9182
725		871.1827	<ts>	871.3061
727		871.7447	/RD-NAME-3/ was born in seventy two-	873.7241
729		873.8687	nineteen sev- August tenth, nineteen seventy two. /RD-NAME-2/ was born in nineteen-	877.5430
731		878.2611	uh, August tenth, nineteen seventy three, and we got married August tenth, nineteen seventy four.	882.7877
732	DCB_int_01	883.3612	August tenth is an important date for you.	884.7787
733	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	885.0398	Very [much so.]	885.7428
734	DCB_int_01	885.3185	[<laugh>]	886.0785
735		886.4888	And- But it's good. You can remember everything in one day.	888.2654
736	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	888.2607	Oh, we [always did. Yeah.]	889.8228
737	DCB_int_01	888.6478	[You don't have to forget anything. It's all] one day.	890.3590
738	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	890.5129	So, at that- at thirteen, I became an adult.	893.1209
740		893.4960	So I've been an adult since I was thirteen.	895.4405
741	DCB_int_01	895.8361	So did you move out?	896.7954
743		896.9960	Or you still at [home? How- How did] that- I don't-	899.3601
744	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	897.5742	Oh, no. Of-	898.7866
745		899.6352	You would not believe this. Most people when I tell 'em, you know-	902.6696
747		903.2012	very few people this story,	904.7586
749		904.8892	I was able to get an apartment.	906.9735
750	DCB_int_01	907.7802	At thirteen.	908.3863
751	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	908.5670	At thirteen.	909.2851
753		909.9193	The people never asked me how old I was.	912.6751
755		913.4165	All they cared about is that I had the money. I worked at McDonald's.	916.6141
757		917.9477	I worked at McDonald's	919.5284
759		919.7475	on Ninth	920.3665
761		920.5018	Street,	921.1126
763		921.4297	Ninth and E.	922.2224
765		923.1829	That was my first job,	924.6005
767		924.7963	McDonald's on Ninth and E. They were building a new F-	927.3084
769		927.5090	They were building the FBI building	929.1503
771		929.5047	before that building was ever there on Ninth-	931.6500
773		931.7802	Ninth and E.	932.3817
775		933.3178	And I remember working there,	935.1596
777		935.2809	<clears throat>	935.6399
779		936.4046	and	936.8849
781		937.0155	<clears throat>	937.2719
783		937.9667	my husband was still in- We both were still in s-	940.2923
785		940.3902	tryna- I was tryna get- still piece my education together.	943.2206
787		943.5564	He was	944.0366
789		944.5251	getting through. He was in ba- athlete, so	946.5161
791		947.0524	you know, provisions were being made for him.	949.1180
793		949.6123	But um,	950.7407
795		951.8354	we	952.3436
797		952.4648	got married. My mother signed the papers for us to get married.	955.2393
799		956.5997	And we got married, and	958.7120
801		959.9057	I kind of led the family	961.4165
803		961.5983	after that.	962.1905
805		962.7676	I became kind of the	964.0778
807		964.4742	leader	964.9171
809		965.1596	of the family at such a very young age.	967.3185
810	DCB_int_01	968.0133	And so while you were- I'm gonna /just put this back in front of you. Just-/	970.8342
811	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	970.2737	[Mm-hm.]	970.5441
812	DCB_int_01	971.0114	[/I think it's me/.]	971.7108
813	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	972.3766	[Mm-hm.]	972.6486
814	DCB_int_01	972.4746	[But while] you were-	973.2673
815		973.4258	Okay. So,	974.0273
817		974.6277	you were thirte- so seventh, eighth grade.	976.5628
819		976.8892	Then you went to-	977.7425
821		978.2880	Did you go to high school then?	979.9340
822	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	980.0320	Well I had a child, so I was piecing my education back- But yes, I went to high- I was able to get into high school.	986.6008
824		987.3084	And-	988.1338
825	DCB_int_01	988.1571	And still work, and [still be] [a mom]	990.0782
826	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	989.1083	[Still-]	989.4068
828		989.4953	[Mm-hm.]	990.1202
829		990.2787	[Mm-hm. /I-/]	990.7963
830	DCB_int_01	990.5911	[to two] [little] [ones.]	991.9294
831	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	991.0015	[Mm-]	991.3139
833		991.6904	[Two] little ones. Two little ones. I was very-	993.8540
834		994.3902	Two little ones. I think sometime when you're young, and don't know	997.4398
836		997.7895	all the things that are-	998.8841
838		999.5229	You don't- You don't have to make all of these- You just do it.	1001.8544
839	DCB_int_01	1002.0176	[Mm-hm.]	1002.4139
840	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1002.1715	[You don't] have all of these um, contemplating and	1005.1732
841		1005.6302	analyzing and all of that.	1007.5513
843		1007.8870	You just did it.	1008.5585
845		1008.6564	You did what you had to do.	1009.7149
847		1009.8874	Um, one of the things my mother took pride in was never being on welfare.	1013.1270
849		1013.8357	She said, oh we don't do welfare. So	1016.2733
851		1016.4225	you make your bed, you got to lie in it.	1018.0312
853		1018.8192	So we both worked	1019.7798
855		1020.6611	We both worked, and we put our money together.	1023.4623
857		1023.8167	My first apartment cost me	1025.8544
859		1027.3931	eighty five dollars a month.	1028.7163
861		1029.3504	My second apartment cost me a hundred and forty four dollars.	1032.3067
863		1032.9035	I can remember just as clear as it was- /Making-/	1035.0007
865		1035.3551	We didn't have checking accounts, we used money orders.	1037.7145
867		1038.5818	And um,	1039.8967
869		1041.5229	I was- I've always wanted to go to school.	1043.5140
871		1043.8777	I always had this dream of being something very very successful,	1047.1826
873		1047.9519	so um, I went	1049.5466
875		1049.7378	back to high school.	1050.8196
877		1051.9434	And I r- my teacher was Miss [/RD-NAME-3/.]	1054.3063
879		1054.9078	[/You want to cut it-/]	1055.6259
881		1056.9968	[Cut that out (whispering).]	1057.7522
883		1057.9846	[You can cut it out.]	1058.7260
884	DCB_int_01	1059.3928	That should be alright.	1060.4734
885	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1066.6180	/Can you hear me?/	1067.0236
886	DCB_int_01	1067.5272	Go ahead. No- Oh, it's fine.	1068.9914
887	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1069.2711	Mkay (mouthful of food).	1069.6349
889		1069.9659	So,	1070.4136
891		1072.1703	I went back in school.	1073.4060
893		1075.1592	Here I am,	1075.8027
895		1077.5000	sixteen years old, in school,	1079.0842
897		1080.2873	with a husband,	1081.0846
898	DCB_int_01	1081.8307	Right.	1082.1338
899	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1082.6234	two children.	1083.2762
900	DCB_int_01	1083.4860	Baby children.	1084.1097
901	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1084.3941	[Mm-hm.]	1084.8698
902	DCB_int_01	1084.6366	[Not even] like,	1085.3873
903		1085.5599	toddler toddlers.	1086.6323
904	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1087.1732	But I wanna be in school.	1088.3576
906		1089.0757	Even though I did all the behaviors of an adult,	1091.3081
908		1092.0868	a part of me	1092.8142
910		1093.5463	still tried to be	1094.5488
912		1094.8705	in [school.]	1095.3928
913	DCB_int_01	1094.9831	[A kid.] Mm-hm.	1095.8766
914	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1096.6599	I tried- I wanted to be- I wanted to be	1098.3199
916		1098.5204	all the things that all the other little girls were.	1100.6094
918		1102.7485	Somehow didn't- You know, I missed that-	1104.4551
920		1105.1592	/point at/- You know- And I tried-	1106.4555
922		1107.6119	You know, I- um,	1108.5434
924		1108.7019	I stayed active.	1109.7837
926		1111.0333	Um,	1111.5789
928		1112.3436	tried to get into some activities, it just didn't work out,	1115.0050
930		1115.3594	couldn't do it all.	1116.0681
932		1117.6955	But Miss /RD-NAME-3/,	1119.0664
934		1121.6764	um, was my Literature teacher.	1123.4717
936		1125.4301	And she and I connected,	1126.6180
938		1128.4971	and	1128.8935
940		1130.3623	she was the first person I ever told	1131.8905
942		1132.3242	other than my children's father what my dreams were.	1134.2826
944		1137.2809	It wasn't a black woman that told me I could make it.	1139.1029
946		1141.0800	It was a white woman.	1141.8867
947	DCB_int_01	1142.7260	And this is in the early seventies. [In] [DC.]	1145.1076
948	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1144.2403	[Mm-hm.]	1144.5760
950		1145.0003	[Mm-hm.]	1145.3127
951	DCB_int_01	1146.4458	Soon after [Martin Luther King.]	1148.0499
952	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1146.8935	[Seventy two, seventy] three. [Mm-hm.]	1148.7959
953	DCB_int_01	1148.3576	[Mm-hm.]	1148.8192
954	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1149.6073	Mm-hm.	1149.9197
956		1151.3640	So,	1151.7604
958		1155.6259	I	1155.9663
960		1156.3615	got on the path of	1157.7044
962		1158.3339	putting my life together to make it.	1159.8493
964		1161.6248	You know, I wanted to go to school.	1163.3500
966		1164.1940	I wanted to do all these things. Didn't know how I was gonna do it, didn't know where the money was gonna [come from.]	1168.0409
967	DCB_int_01	1167.6992	[fro- Mm-Hm.]	1168.0409
968	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1169.3314	And tryna be somebody's wife. Can you imagine that?	1171.6488
970		1172.6700	So,	1173.0477
972		1173.1689	in order t- f- you- And tryna pay attention to what was going on around me, in terms of	1177.2525
974		1177.7841	politics and democracy and all of that,	1180.0129
976		1180.3895	I wasn't paying attention to none of that.	1181.8676
978		1183.3131	I mean [you knew it exi-]	1184.2224
979	DCB_int_01	1183.6395	[You had enough] going [on without] all-	1186.0083
980	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1184.9078	[Uh-huh.]	1185.2948
981		1186.6739	You knew it existed.	1187.6858
982	DCB_int_01	1188.1008	Right.	1188.3199
983	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1188.2733	You knew racism existed. You knew you weren't well liked.	1191.1550
984		1191.6632	My neighborhoods were black.	1192.8045
985	DCB_int_01	1194.3153	Hm.	1194.5297
986	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1196.2364	I grew up Northwest.	1197.3928
988		1198.4874	Girard Street, Fourteenth Street.	1200.3153
989	DCB_int_01	1200.3153	Mm-hm.	1200.7769
990	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1201.4717	You go there now, them peo- them- them- them- them not the people I grew up with.	1204.6180
991	DCB_int_01	1204.8651	Mm-mm.	1205.4573
992	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1205.7930	At all.	1206.2780
993	DCB_int_01	1206.8935	And that neighborhood has changed so much. Fourteenth, Girard, that's-	1209.6073
994	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1209.7880	[Ah! (frustrated)]	1210.2169
995	DCB_int_01	1209.9418	[Columbia-] You in the heart of Columbia [Heights.]	1211.8023
996	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1211.2987	[Ah!]	1211.8303
997		1212.8328	Oh, honey, yes.	1214.0545
999		1214.2643	[So-]	1214.7260
1000	DCB_int_01	1214.2737	[And so how] long- You- you stayed there for-	1216.1668
1001		1216.7532	That was /RD-NAME-3/'s childhood home [cause I remember] her telling me about-	1219.7188
1002	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1218.2453	[Mm-hm.]	1218.6790
1003		1220.6281	That was their childhood home because I lived on Girard Street,	1223.2801
1005		1224.5904	then I always wanted more.	1226.3529
1006	DCB_int_01	1226.6234	Mm.	1227.0477
1007	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1227.6446	So we moved to	1228.7439
1009		1230.5810	Fourteenth and /Upshur/.	1231.6955
1010	DCB_int_01	1232.4928	Mm-hm.	1232.8472
1011	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1233.8637	And-	1234.2589
1013		1235.3733	with my husband and kids.	1236.4924
1015		1238.8845	It was a nicer neighborhood and	1240.3427
1017		1241.1542	nicer atmosphere.	1242.2360
1018	DCB_int_01	1242.8049	It was ten blocks?	1243.9240
1020		1244.8146	Fifteen bl-	1245.4347
1021	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1245.7145	[Maybe ten.]	1246.2822
1022	DCB_int_01	1245.8999	[Not-]	1246.0864
1023		1246.3895	Ten.	1246.6319
1024	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1246.7858	Wasn't that- [It wasn't all-]	1247.6858
1025	DCB_int_01	1247.1355	[It wasn't that] [far.]	1248.0495
1026	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1247.8117	[It was] one bus ride.	1248.8468
1027	DCB_int_01	1248.9401	Mm-hm.	1249.4437
1028	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1250.8052	Straight up [Fourteenth Street.]	1251.9616
1029	DCB_int_01	1251.4161	[/Teenth/ Street. Mm-hm.]	1252.2356
1030	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1253.7231	But	1254.0215
1032		1255.5789	as time went on,	1256.6141
1034		1257.1550	we didn't have the /tools/ to be married, you know, to stay married.	1260.1287
1036		1261.7654	We didn't have a skill set to kn- know how to	1263.6212
1038		1263.8637	be husband and wife, neither one of us did.	1265.5645
1040		1267.2945	So we didn't stay married long.	1268.5301
1042		1270.9164	We didn't l- get a legal divorce, but we separated. /RD-NAME-3/ musta been about	1274.9172
1044		1276.8698	I wanna say five.	1277.9702
1046		1278.9447	/RD-NAME-2/ musta been about four.	1280.2877
1048		1282.2496	I wasn't one of those women, like, lord, what am I gonna do?	1284.8701
1050		1285.5929	You just did it.	1286.2830
1051	DCB_int_01	1286.5115	You just made it work.	1287.2436
1052	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1287.5420	You just made it work.	1288.3755
1053	DCB_int_01	1289.0796	So what did you do?	1289.6578
1054	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1290.9541	<laugh>	1291.2945
1055	DCB_int_01	1291.3178	Wait, did you fini- Wait. Before that, did you finish high school?	1293.6352
1056	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1294.8791	I was still in high [school.]	1295.9702
1057	DCB_int_01	1295.7930	[You] were still in high school at this point. Okay.	1297.1639
1058	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1297.1546	Mm-hm.	1297.5229
1059		1300.1796	I got sick.	1300.7252
1061		1304.3436	Had a little bout with cancer.	1305.8999
1062	DCB_int_01	1307.0003	At this young age?	1308.2826
1063	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1308.7536	Hm.	1308.9401
1065		1310.3669	I was eighteen,	1311.1829
1067		1311.6807	turning nineteen.	1312.5154
1069		1315.2012	Had my surgery	1316.0918
1071		1318.6786	at Columbia Hospital for Women.	1320.2127
1073		1322.6514	The n-	1322.8472
1075		1322.9451	next day after surgery I went to work.	1324.8791
1077		1326.6603	Somebody offered me a job at /RD-NAME-2/,	1328.3463
1079		1330.0817	administration.	1330.7345
1081		1331.6951	So!	1332.0401
1083		1332.8468	I had time to recover.	1334.0732
1085		1334.3529	<laugh>	1334.6793
1086	DCB_int_01	1336.0071	Like you just walked out a hospital and went to work?	1337.6438
1087	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1337.9842	Next [day.]	1338.7396
1088	DCB_int_01	1338.2173	[Pretty much?]	1338.8608
1089	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1338.8655	Mm-hm.	1339.0846
1090	DCB_int_01	1339.0567	Wow.	1339.5602
1091	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1342.5154	They called me and said they had a job.	1343.9655
1093		1347.2948	I needed a job.	1348.2496
1095		1352.0125	And I'm like /floored/ after that.	1353.3881
1097		1354.2123	/I don't have no regrets/.	1355.2008
1099		1355.7371	/It's just sore/.	1356.4458
1101		1358.7260	From there,	1359.2389
1103		1361.6858	I found ways to put /RD-NAME-3/ and /RD-NAME-2/ in private school.	1364.2457
1105		1368.1660	I kind of mimicked the women that were around me that were successful.	1371.2984
1106	DCB_int_01	1372.0089	Mm.	1372.4377
1107	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1372.8464	I didn't have any strategic plan or analyzed- All I knew is I wanted more.	1377.1177
1109		1379.9189	And so,	1380.7489
1111		1383.4068	I didn't- I really didn't focus on	1385.4293
1113		1385.9749	racism. I knew it exist. I knew it was there.	1388.4882
1114	DCB_int_01	1391.4382	But that was- Your focus was surviving and-	1393.1779
1115	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1393.1452	[Mm.]	1393.3504
1116	DCB_int_01	1393.3131	and making a life.	1394.2690
1117	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1394.4649	That's my journey.	1395.2296
1119		1395.4627	I'm writing	1396.1109
1121		1397.1169	a little book,	1397.7091
1123		1400.1198	my journey of survival.	1401.3042
1125		1401.6014	My life on survival.	1402.5807
1127		1403.9329	I saw a therapist once, and she said,	1405.7188
1129		1406.2830	you have been surviving all your life.	1407.8905
1131		1410.8795	It's been on automatic.	1411.9986
1132	DCB_int_01	1413.1130	And not even thinking about it.	1414.2647
1134		1414.8464	Just doing what you got to do to make it.	1416.3106
1135	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1420.3382	There are people who I went to junior high school /with/ and everything who didn't make it out.	1423.6815
1137		1425.3695	They got caught up in drugs.	1426.8464
1139		1427.8303	You know, we had	1428.3059
1141		1428.9354	the big drug w-	1429.8633
1143		1430.0732	wave, and then people were selling drugs and doing drugs.	1433.3267
1144	DCB_int_01	1433.5039	Especially in the neighborhood [in-]	1434.8282
1145	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1434.6790	[Mm-hm.]	1435.0986
1146	DCB_int_01	1435.1079	Fourteenth Street- [/That became a big-/]	1437.0990
1147	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1435.6768	[Oh honey, that was a big] thing.	1437.4907
1148	DCB_int_01	1437.6154	[Mm-hm.]	1438.3382
1149	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1437.6212	[That was big.]	1438.3427
1150		1438.4548	You couldn't even come on the street,	1439.6578
1152		1440.0448	the police were there.	1440.9121
1154		1441.3411	You couldn't even come in the neighborhood.	1442.5441
1156		1443.8766	They gotten so bad.	1444.8045
1157	DCB_int_01	1445.9236	And when did you leave-	1446.7303
1159		1446.8328	When did you leave there?	1447.7701
1160	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1448.1431	I worked at a hospital center for tw-	1449.5933
1162		1449.7553	u- twenty year.	1450.5760
1164		1452.6183	I left	1453.3318
1166		1453.7608	the neighborhood in ninety six.	1455.5280
1167	DCB_int_01	1456.3428	So you stayed- That was a- That was a long time.	1458.6929
1168	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1458.7769	No, it was before ninety six- It was ninety.	1460.4882
1170		1460.8565	I left the neighborhood in ninety.	1462.0362
1171	DCB_int_01	1462.1517	And then that's when you guys moved over to Southeast?	1464.1147
1172	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1464.1427	I bought a home.	1464.7489
1173	DCB_int_01	1466.5861	And tell me what that experience was like. [Cause now],	1468.9817
1174	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1468.0911	[<laugh>]	1468.5900
1175		1468.9910	Hm.	1469.1822
1176	DCB_int_01	1469.1495	you're- you-	1469.6904
1177		1469.9282	your kids are much older.	1471.3364
1178	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1471.6535	Well, so I done survived, and I got 'em through s-	1473.7145
1180		1473.8486	to school,	1474.4827
1182		1476.0075	never knowing from one month to the other how I was gonna pay for it.	1478.8379
1183	DCB_int_01	1480.4175	But it somehow got paid.	1481.5086
1184	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1481.5972	Somehow got paid.	1482.5717
1186		1483.9892	I volunteered at the school.	1485.4534
1188		1489.8400	/RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1490.5907
1190		1492.2636	Whenever	1492.8698
1192		1493.0003	they needed me to do something, I always made myself available.	1495.7701
1194		1495.9053	I always w-	1496.5068
1196		1497.3321	worked my hours so I could always be available to-	1499.7231
1198		1499.9282	to go to school for what my kids- Cause my mother	1502.0685
1200		1502.4369	never did that for us.	1503.3741
1201	DCB_int_01	1505.4853	And you wanted your kids to feel differently or have a different [experience.]	1508.8892
1202	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1508.1897	[Mm-hm.]	1508.6327
1203		1511.2148	We didn't have a lot of love and affection.	1512.6510
1205		1514.8332	When I first saw my mother giving some love and affection,	1516.8837
1207		1519.1079	it was to her grandchildren. And I was like, wow. [<laugh>]	1523.5599
1208	DCB_int_01	1522.4827	[Mm.]	1523.3594
1209	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1526.1851	So she did-	1526.8752
1211		1527.0897	My mom really turned her life around.	1528.9257
1212	DCB_int_01	1530.9727	Once you guys got older.	1532.0172
1213	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1532.6747	Mm-	1532.8332
1215		1534.1843	I didn't think she was going to, but she did.	1535.8630
1217		1537.5136	And so, /RD-NAME-3/ and /RD-NAME-2/ went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1540.3708
1219		1541.4060	When /RD-SCHOOL-3/ shut down, /RD-NAME-2/ went to /RD-SCHOOL-8/.	1544.5861
1220	DCB_int_01	1544.8705	Mm-hm.	1545.3088
1221	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1548.5018	People always said,	1549.4110
1223		1552.1330	how'd you do that?	1553.0376
1225		1554.4038	How'd you get them in the school?	1555.5463
1227		1557.0384	And I would say,	1557.7192
1229		1558.4408	I don't know. It's just about the grades.	1559.6718
1231		1561.7561	Ain't just about the grades- I ain't had no plan!	1563.4441
1232	DCB_int_01	1563.8532	Mm-hm.	1564.2263
1233	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1564.3755	I ain't had no	1564.9910
1235		1565.1402	a-	1565.3221
1237		1565.8023	sit down- no strategic plan like people do today.	1568.1618
1239		1568.7913	From the time their children are born and,	1570.5200
1241		1571.0469	they're gonna go to this school, and they gonna-	1572.6836
1243		1573.8307	And I'm gonna put this kind of money away.	1575.3368
1245		1575.5793	I ain't know what saving no-	1576.4548
1247		1576.8931	I was always-	1578.1614
1249		1579.5323	And then, to- tryna make them	1580.8239
1251		1580.9358	well grounded, well rounded.	1582.5713
1253		1584.3432	They were.	1584.8328
1255		1586.5534	People didn't believe they were my children.	1587.8637
1256	DCB_int_01	1589.2987	Why?	1589.6158
1257	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1591.4530	They was always well mannered.	1592.7959
1259		1594.0351	Smart.	1594.6133
1261		1597.9146	I had a lot of people who cared about me coming up	1600.2694
1263		1600.6086	cause they just couldn't believe this young person	1602.7256
1265		1603.8027	was doing a job of the average	1605.4954
1267		1607.1775	older [woman.]	1607.8256
1268	DCB_int_01	1607.6298	[Mm-] Mm-hm.	1608.3106
1269	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1609.1639	So,	1609.6115
1271		1611.0990	I-	1611.3834
1273		1611.7880	I surrounded myself around positive people,	1613.9142
1275		1615.5323	positive women who were doing good things.	1617.4068
1276	DCB_int_01	1618.0631	And that was kind of-	1618.8371
1278		1619.0889	[You feel they filled] your-	1620.4272
1279	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1619.0936	[That was my /founda/-]	1620.0448
1280	DCB_int_01	1620.5671	[the maternal] [role for] you?	1622.0545
1281	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1620.5810	[Oh!]	1620.9494
1283		1621.3877	[Oh!]	1621.8074
1284		1622.2131	Absolutely.	1623.4347
1286		1624.9817	Absolutely.	1626.0541
1288		1626.2453	I don't think I could have made it.	1627.3784
1290		1628.3296	They were the ones who took the responsibility even when I became out of order	1632.4505
1292		1632.9587	at any point.	1633.7701
1294		1634.0079	To help-	1634.3250
1296		1634.6560	To put- Be able to put- Cause you know,	1635.8684
1298		1636.4268	when you're on /??/- <clears throat>	1637.6438
1300		1638.0961	survival mode,	1638.9028
1302		1640.3529	you don't think what you're doing- anything you could do or say is wrong.	1643.1775
1303	DCB_int_01	1643.8630	Mm-hm.	1644.3759
1304	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1644.4645	You just do it.	1645.1266
1305	DCB_int_01	1645.1313	You just do.	1645.7188
1306	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1645.9986	You know?	1646.4136
1308		1646.7959	But I do know I resented white people at the time.	1649.2428
1309	DCB_int_01	1650.1474	Why?	1650.4551
1311		1650.5344	Because you felt-	1651.2059
1313		1651.4483	Even with Miss /RD-NAME-3/?	1652.6514
1315		1653.2948	Was it Miss /RD-NAME-3/? Was that her name?	1654.7205
1316	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1655.1169	That's her [name.]	1655.7510
1317	DCB_int_01	1655.5599	[Mm.]	1655.8163
1318	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1657.4064	It just seemed like they had everything.	1658.8286
1320		1661.5878	I remember taking my kids to school. They went to school	1664.0452
1322		1666.1703	um,	1666.5294
1324		1667.4293	Connecticut Avenue and	1668.7074
1326		1669.2525	/Woodley/ Road-	1669.9473
1328		1671.6679	Whenever I was there I was like, why do they have it all?	1674.0541
1330		1675.0914	Cause I didn't know anybody who had a lot of money,	1676.6068
1331	DCB_int_01	1676.8808	Mm-hm.	1677.2305
1332	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1677.7760	you know, coming up.	1678.4988
1334		1680.3406	The well manicured lawns and-	1682.4576
1336		1685.4920	Only time you saw us was	1686.7463
1338		1687.8514	getting the trash or	1689.1337
1340		1690.3030	[cleaning their house. Mm-hm.]	1691.5853
1341	DCB_int_01	1690.3169	[/Doing the manicuring of] the lawn.	1691.9536
1342	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1691.9023	Mm-hm.	1692.2894
1343		1692.4805	Mm-hm.	1692.7743
1345		1693.3385	So	1693.7675
1347		1694.4529	I had never understood that.	1695.6641
1349		1697.9117	And you know, your family talk about	1699.5390
1351		1700.3550	white people	1701.0358
1353		1701.1384	in a negative way, so you d- adapt that.	1703.2262
1354	DCB_int_01	1703.7065	Mm-hm.	1704.1774
1355	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1706.1032	But	1706.4250
1357		1706.9134	it wasn't til high school	1708.1258
1359		1710.0655	that my attitude about white people changed.	1711.6369
1360	DCB_int_01	1713.4730	Miss /RD-NAME-3/.	1714.1304
1361	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1714.1444	Miss /RD-NAME-3/.	1714.8625
1363		1716.5971	Mm-hm.	1716.9561
1365		1718.4156	Because I worked at the /RD-WORK-2/,	1719.6500
1367		1721.2215	it was an older lady there.	1722.5878
1369		1724.0799	I was nineteen,	1724.9006
1371		1725.6781	worked in the kitchen,	1726.4382
1373		1728.9888	was proud to have a job (hard to understand because of chewing).	1730.1032
1375		1730.6348	Eighteen.	1731.1011
1377		1731.3424	I was eighteen.	1731.9626
1379		1734.7090	And she-	1735.3711
1381		1736.6989	I just think people were amazed by the things that	1739.2868
1383		1739.8744	I was doing.	1740.6064
1385		1740.7137	I think I amazed people. I don't know what it was.	1742.7840
1386	DCB_int_01	1743.6222	I [mean that's] a lot going on.	1745.0956
1387	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1743.7527	[But I-]	1744.0092
1388		1746.0469	And I had it-	1746.5458
1390		1746.6484	they would say, and you have it together.	1748.1685
1392		1749.1850	I didn't complain about anything.	1750.5781
1394		1754.2571	Um,	1754.6570
1396		1756.4475	Miss /RD-NAME-2/,	1757.1376
1398		1757.7485	God rest her soul,	1758.7230
1400		1759.9680	she um,	1760.8027
1402		1761.1978	became my work mother	1762.2843
1403	DCB_int_01	1762.7926	Mm.	1763.0723
1404	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1763.9676	at /RD-WORK-2/.	1764.4992
1406		1765.4318	So of course, I would take lessons from her,	1767.3715
1408		1767.7714	you know, notes out of her book.	1769.0723
1410		1770.7090	And then,	1771.3525
1412		1773.7994	right after that summer,	1774.9558
1414		1778.3224	I went to work	1779.0964
1416		1781.9909	at /RD-WORK-5/.	1782.8489
1417	DCB_int_01	1783.6556	Mm-hm.	1783.9866
1418	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1785.8646	Cause she was the one /that said, well apply over there/.	1787.6645
1420		1790.0659	I never even	1790.5742
1422		1790.7001	thought I could.	1791.4648
1424		1793.5386	And	1794.0702
1426		1794.4386	they didn't have anything.	1795.5110
1428		1795.7908	Then I found a contact,	1797.0545
1430		1798.4941	Miss /RD-NAME-2/,	1799.2682
1432		1800.4619	white lady.	1800.9375
1434		1801.1706	<laugh>	1802.1219
1436		1803.5289	She was in charge	1804.4615
1438		1805.4640	of this program.	1806.4199
1440		1808.4529	It was a surgical tech program,	1810.0092
1442		1811.6738	and I wanted it.	1812.3546
1444		1816.2657	I would call her every two weeks.	1817.5200
1446		1819.0820	<laugh>	1819.5204
1448		1820.3690	I must have called this lady-	1821.7947
1450		1824.3313	She said, I'll let you know when the program starts up again.	1826.4996
1452		1829.0770	But the program never started up again.	1830.7277
1454		1832.0333	They had another program	1833.1617
1456		1837.5670	for unit clerks.	1838.4996
1458		1840.0791	And unit clerks	1840.9371
1460		1843.4318	were the ones to transcribe doctor's orders and all of that.	1846.6433
1461	DCB_int_01	1846.6294	Oh, okay, cause I was gonna ask you what was [that.]	1848.4059
1462	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1848.2194	[<laugh>]	1848.7463
1463		1849.3991	They manage the units,	1850.5928
1465		1850.7420	the hospital [units.]	1851.8786
1466	DCB_int_01	1851.5616	[Gotcha.] Okay.	1852.2377
1467	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1852.7926	And that wa- that was a very nice job, very respectable job.	1855.8607
1469		1856.4623	I got that job,	1857.4088
1471		1857.6641	and in the mean time, me and /RD-NAME-3/'s father	1859.5480
1473		1860.1308	and /RD-NAME-2/'s father were going through it.	1861.6929
1475		1863.7481	So,	1864.1258
1477		1865.9256	I was saving money,	1866.9468
1479		1868.7141	and I left him	1869.3249
1481		1870.2050	one day.	1870.5687
1483		1872.6624	I left their father.	1873.7349
1485		1874.3877	Cause I was moving-	1875.4030
1487		1875.7387	I was growing,	1876.5734
1489		1877.3987	not fast, but I was growing.	1878.7790
1491		1879.8188	And he wasn't in the same direction- Excuse me for eating like [this.]	1882.4428
1492	DCB_int_01	1882.2377	[No],	1882.6107
1493		1882.8951	please.	1883.4873
1494	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1884.1215	But um,	1884.9095
1496		1886.1918	we separated then.	1887.1850
1498		1889.4640	And	1889.8790
1500		1892.9892	we went our separate ways.	1894.1724
1502		1897.5483	I got me an account,	1898.5835
1504		1898.7793	saved me some money,	1899.8600
1506		1900.5081	bought me a car.	1901.2542
1508		1902.4945	My first car,	1903.2686
1510		1903.4877	Dodge /Colt/,	1904.1592
1512		1904.9612	<laugh>	1905.4543
1514		1905.8367	brand new.	1906.4988
1516		1907.8417	Two thousand, nine hundred, and ninety nine dollars it cost.	1910.3457
1517	DCB_int_01	1910.6814	Mm.	1910.9239
1518	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	1910.9472	Boy was that a lot of money.	1912.0885
1520		1915.6229	Bought a brand new car,	1916.9332
1522		1919.7065	/RD-NAME-3/ and /RD-NAME-2/ was in private school.	1921.3805
1524		1922.2851	I was doing it,	1923.1104
1526		1923.8040	least I thought.	1924.5314
1528		1926.9888	And then one day I woke up, and I wanted something else.	1929.1197
1530		1931.7764	And at school, there was a gen- gentlemen that one of the parents that worked at a-	1935.5522
1532		1935.7248	at a um,	1936.3869
1534		1937.0210	mortgage company,	1937.8883
1536		1940.5509	and he gave me some- he said,	1941.6595
1538		1942.0139	why don't you-	1942.6060
1540		1942.7599	why don't you try to by a house?	1944.3500
1542		1944.8302	I said, me?	1945.4084
1544		1945.5530	Is that possible?	1946.4110
1546		1947.5849	He said, there's so many programs.	1949.1283
1548		1949.5433	Yeah.	1949.8790
1550		1950.9095	<laugh>	1951.3851
1552		1952.7595	So I learned about the program.	1954.2050
1554		1956.4199	My best friend	1957.2033
1556		1957.6602	put ten thousand dollars in my account	1959.3191
1558		1959.4450	t- so that I could show	1960.4941
1560		1961.0444	you know,	1961.3335
1562		1961.6645	that I could afford it.	1962.5505
1564		1964.1825	Cause I was saving up the money.	1965.3436
1566		1967.8790	And	1968.3779
1568		1970.8306	nineteen ninety,	1971.7807
1570		1972.0605	I bought my first house.	1973.4174
1572		1975.1706	It was the last part of eighty nine, ninety,	1977.0358
1574		1977.5709	bought my house.	1978.1910
1576		1978.7086	By then, /RD-NAME-3/'s getting ready to go to school.	1980.2427
1578		1982.2804	/RD-NAME-3/ was um,	1983.3482
1580		1983.8227	smart little girl.	1984.8392
1582		1987.6090	My son was kind of	1988.9146
1584		1989.7854	<ts>	1990.0372
1586		1990.6014	spoiled.	1991.2495
1588		1991.5713	What we did back then was	1993.5157
1590		1994.3177	we had the attitude make our girls stronger cause we didn't- I didn't want her- I know for me, I didn't want her to rely on anybody	1999.7484
1592		2000.3037	to-	2000.4343
1594		2000.5217	you know, on-	2001.0720
1596		2001.1559	not a man.	2002.1491
1597	DCB_int_01	2002.5921	Mm.	2002.7926
1598	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2002.8019	You know, after seeing what my mother went through, and	2005.0354
1600		2006.3923	the fact that her father and I did not make it. Um, he was not v-	2009.5992
1602		2009.7251	t- at the time a res- To me,	2011.1940
1604		2011.7628	responsible enough to	2013.0964
1606		2013.4496	take care of us, so	2014.6387
1608		2015.1703	you need to be able to take care of yourself.	2016.8769
1609	DCB_int_01	2017.2452	[Mm-hm.]	2017.7248
1610	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2017.4178	[And I] think	2018.0659
1611		2019.3657	unfortunately-	2020.4149
1613		2020.6433	Cause that's not always the best thing you wanna tell a girl.	2022.6624
1615		2024.1172	It can be-	2024.6488
1617		2024.9472	It can be	2025.4077
1619		2025.6921	a bad- This- Not- N- It's not the greatest thing.	2027.7391
1621		2028.4292	You got- You got to balance it.	2029.6229
1622	DCB_int_01	2029.7582	/Oh. Uh- Yeah/.	2030.2105
1623	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2030.5369	So	2030.9612
1625		2031.3797	my whole drive was to make her self sufficient and independent, and	2034.7836
1627		2035.2919	she was in all sorts of programs, uh, /Upward Bound/- All kinds of programs, and	2039.8790
1629		2040.6437	she went to um,	2042.1219
1631		2043.7854	Georgetown Day um,	2045.4733
1633		2045.6878	camp.	2046.2381
1635		2046.4852	And that's when she took horseback riding and	2049.0171
1637		2049.8367	became an equestrian and so	2051.7811
1639		2052.4526	I started following the-	2053.5064
1641		2053.7722	the path of the white folks.	2055.3098
1643		2056.8159	Cause they had it all,	2057.6459
1644	DCB_int_01	2057.7671	Mm-hm.	2058.1122
1645	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2058.6158	and I wanted it.	2059.4318
1647		2060.2011	I wanted the same things they had for they children, I wanted for mine.	2063.3894
1649		2064.0702	So I would	2064.5598
1651		2064.7044	get in little nooks and cranny and	2066.3224
1653		2066.6861	rub elbows and get in where I could,	2069.0630
1655		2069.5153	where somebody would say,	2070.5691
1657		2070.8396	I'm gonna help this little poor black woman.	2072.8108
1659		2073.2398	I didn't care what they called me,	2074.3962
1661		2074.5501	long as I got the help.	2075.4920
1663		2076.4292	I didn't care.	2077.0168
1665		2077.9913	Cause it wasn't about me at the time, it was about the [kids.]	2080.0465
1666	DCB_int_01	2079.7108	[Kids. /Mm-hm/.]	2080.8998
1667	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2080.2097	[You know, I got to get] them what they need.	2081.6878
1668		2082.2474	If they wanted-	2082.9375
1670		2083.0914	If they wanted me to be their charity work,	2085.1466
1672		2085.5149	so be it.	2086.1631
1673	DCB_int_01	2087.1003	Do you feel like you had to	2088.9888
1675		2089.9493	um-	2090.3550
1677		2091.3237	But it was never- You were n- It was never a welfare program. This was always just other help- other people helping you.	2096.0379
1678	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2096.4704	It was just always	2097.6175
1680		2097.8880	for some way- somebody would drop a m- a- a- an- a-	2100.8909
1682		2101.2546	say something. And I would take what they said and run with [it.]	2103.9113
1683	DCB_int_01	2103.5273	[With it. Mm-hm.]	2104.1771
1684	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2104.7926	Um, I do remember	2106.0003
1686		2106.2101	coming up in-	2106.8536
1688		2107.0308	when they were in private school, I was never well received.	2110.2377
1690		2112.1308	I was a young mother.	2113.1567
1692		2113.5064	I was a black mother, and a dark black mother.	2115.9066
1694		2117.1469	You know, it was a school where	2118.6344
1696		2120.0193	um,	2120.5322
1698		2121.5942	it was very mixed, but the black children were treated differently. Even though it was a private school, and they weren't-	2126.9472
1700		2127.0918	You know, they- they-	2128.0092
1702		2128.2284	You know, they got m-	2128.9744
1704		2129.1609	money, but it wasn't like somebody was-	2131.0727
1706		2131.6331	There was um,	2132.4669
1708		2135.6459	a foundation	2136.6158
1710		2137.2173	for kids, you know,	2138.3037
1712		2138.5369	then.	2138.9519
1714		2139.4263	And I applied for it and got it, but	2141.5386
1716		2142.3080	you know the rest, I had to pay out of pocket. But	2144.3364
1718		2144.5602	I wasn't re- never well received by the kids- the- the mothers at the schools my children went to.	2149.0774
1720		2149.2686	Never	2149.8841
1722		2150.5042	ever	2150.8726
1724		2151.0533	ever received.	2151.9299
1725	DCB_int_01	2152.3030	Do you feel like there was ever a point- I guess, especially like, moving to Southeast because that's a different-	2157.0778
1727		2157.3424	People have a lot of different perceptions about Southeast.	2160.0515
1728	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2160.0422	I did too.	2160.7696
1729	DCB_int_01	2160.9142	[Okay.]	2161.3199
1730	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2161.1473	[I] didn't know when I come up- When I was coming up in DC, I knew nothing about the Southeast. That- just not to go there.	2167.0261
1731	DCB_int_01	2167.2126	Mm-hm.	2167.5297
1733		2167.6602	Cause Northwest is a long way from [Southeast.]	2169.9113
1734	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2169.0440	[Yeah.]	2169.8926
1735		2170.0325	[We never rode no bus] over [there! We] were told never-	2172.8489
1736	DCB_int_01	2170.0372	[Especially as a kid.]	2171.3278
1738		2171.5992	[/Yeah/.]	2172.0655
1739	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2173.0774	you don't wanna get caught over there.	2174.5602
1741		2174.7047	That's what we were told.	2175.6500
1743		2177.4360	We were told that- And how I came to Southeast, how I came to purchase a house in Southeast-	2181.6828
1745		2182.2703	When I was awarded um-	2183.9723
1747		2184.6297	In this program to purchase a house, I only had a certain amount of time.	2187.9346
1749		2188.7413	Every house that I looked at	2190.1681
1751		2190.7743	in Northwest or off of Michigan Park, Northeast, where I really wanted to live over by /Catholic/-	2196.0282
1753		2196.8209	The houses were anywhere from ten to twenty thousand dollars more, could be the same identical [house.]	2201.3847
1754	DCB_int_01	2201.2262	[House.] Mm-hm.	2202.0329
1755	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2202.0515	It could be a semi detached row house,	2204.0473
1757		2204.5870	three bedrooms w- you know,	2205.9905
1759		2206.2750	one and a half baths,	2207.6599
1761		2207.9769	nothing any more, no fix up.	2209.7302
1763		2210.6861	I would look at that house over off of um, Sergeant Road.	2214.1834
1765		2214.4805	Come over to Southeast, look at the same house, and it's much cheaper.	2217.4730
1767		2220.3826	Much cheaper.	2221.0541
1769		2222.1732	A friend- How I came to Southeast- A friend of mine who works for the Department of Public Works at the time-	2226.6531
1771		2226.8023	He worked there-	2227.4691
1773		2228.0566	I met him in the eighties, and he-	2229.5709
1775		2229.9299	he said, why don't you take a look over Southeast? And I was- Everything I heard about Southeast was	2234.0146
1777		2234.2198	negative.	2234.9519
1778	DCB_int_01	2235.0405	Mm-hm.	2235.4823
1779	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2235.7621	So one day we drove over there, and I drove th- in this neighborhood, and I was like,	2240.0333
1781		2240.5555	Oh!	2240.8913
1783		2242.6713	Oh.	2243.0817
1785		2244.2241	And I found a house.	2245.2313
1787		2245.6602	And I bought the house.	2246.7187
1789		2247.1046	And I moved in the neighborhood, they were all	2249.1330
1791		2249.6132	teachers and everybody who had	2250.8909
1793		2251.4178	been teachers were retired.	2252.7234
1795		2253.3704	They all were professional black people.	2255.2262
1797		2256.6391	You know, they were all professional black people, and	2259.4881
1799		2260.7180	it was just wonderful.	2261.6832
1801		2263.2872	It was just wonderful.	2264.0799
1803		2264.5602	And so I left /RD-WORK-5/ in ninety six, and I went to work for	2267.6132
1805		2268.0888	/RD-WORK-12/ in ninety seven,	2270.7234
1807		2271.1617	which at the time was an HIV AIDS organization.	2273.7997
1808	DCB_int_01	2273.5596	Hm-mm.	2274.0189
1809	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2274.8862	And	2275.3199
1811		2275.7395	it really humbled me.	2277.1291
1813		2278.7879	Cause I had gotten a little wha- I got like most black people, you get a little	2281.6882
1815		2282.1592	educated. You know, cause I went in school between times, you know, whenever I could go to school.	2286.4106
1817		2287.2313	Um-	2287.7162
1818	DCB_int_01	2288.6022	Where'd you go?	2289.0684
1819	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2289.4869	My first school I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	2290.9558
1820	DCB_int_01	2291.4780	Mm.	2291.8371
1821	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2292.3313	Didn't wanna go to a black school.	2293.4924
1823		2294.4331	Don't- n- n-	2295.1046
1825		2295.9532	I don't think any of us liked ourselves at the time.	2298.0842
1827		2299.1893	We were saying it loud, black and I'm proud but you know, we had some issues with	2302.3123
1829		2303.2728	you know, we were not	2304.4199
1831		2305.6509	succeeding. All you heard was negative things.	2307.8926
1832	DCB_int_01	2308.3123	Right.	2308.5641
1833	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2308.9791	You know, I went to the Howard Theater, to hear- see James Brown sing, say it Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud.	2313.7621
1835		2314.6573	I enjoyed that	2315.7298
1837		2317.6229	cause I could be proud to be black.	2319.0638
1839		2319.8227	I musta been about-	2320.6900
1841		2322.0562	I musta been about fourteen, fifteen when I went.	2324.5835
1843		2325.0673	My first /sweatshirt/ but,	2326.5687
1845		2327.0770	you still had some issues. We were tryna make it, and	2329.8048
1847		2330.8027	you know,	2331.5068
1849		2332.1537	it appeared that we were trying to separate ourselves from ourselves for [lack of a better word.]	2336.5415
1850	DCB_int_01	2335.5372	[Mm. Mm.]	2336.5444
1851	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2337.0358	Black folks were getting /edumacated/,	2338.8765
1853		2339.5433	you know,	2340.0049
1855		2340.2940	and they were talking different, and	2342.2711
1857		2342.7840	um,	2343.0953
1859		2343.4403	they were	2344.0139
1861		2344.2097	dressing different, and they were	2345.9443
1863		2346.2381	living in different neighborhoods. So,	2348.4063
1865		2348.7595	you wanted those things.	2350.1440
1866		2350.9698	And	2351.2775
1868		2352.0049	the only way you thought to have 'em was to separate	2354.0286
1870		2354.1965	yourself from the folks who didn't have it,	2355.8600
1872		2356.1677	not understanding that those are the same folks who	2358.3686
1874		2358.5971	got it,	2359.0261
1876		2359.1473	or the same folks who didn't [have it.]	2360.5509
1877	DCB_int_01	2360.2664	[Have] it. Yeah.	2360.9146
1878	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2361.8413	So once you learned those things,	2363.3474
1880		2364.3313	and I really have to say, coming to /RD-WORK-12/ ham- humbled me.	2368.6154
1882		2369.5619	It really did because	2371.1520
1884		2371.5297	when I'm-	2371.9120
1886		2372.0892	w- was at /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	2373.2783
1888		2374.3216	/RD-SCHOOL-4/ was an all girls school.	2376.7510
1890		2379.0346	There was no support there,	2380.2284
1892		2380.6667	uh, of any kind for me.	2381.9676
1894		2383.4271	And then it was too expensive,	2384.7514
1895	DCB_int_01	2384.9927	Mm.	2385.2165
1896	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2385.1279	so I wind up	2385.9579
1897		2386.3309	you know, I went there for a whole- almost a year and a half.	2389.0867
1899		2389.6229	and then I wind up going to	2390.8493
1901		2391.0813	/RD-SCHOOL-3/,	2391.7854
1903		2393.3894	where all the love and support	2394.7323
1905		2394.9701	was there.	2395.5763
1907		2396.4016	And my professor,	2397.3715
1909		2397.8646	one of my professors in Sociology,	2399.8044
1911		2400.5272	Doctor /RD-NAME-5/,	2401.7302
1913		2402.4343	God rest his soul-	2403.5849
1915		2406.3593	I was talking to him one day, and he said, oh, come work for me.	2408.6721
1917		2409.0638	And that's how I came to /RD-NAME-5/ and	2411.0910
1919		2411.6412	understood what they were doing. And the- they were doing community work and	2414.9379
1921		2415.3937	social work and	2416.3869
1923		2416.8951	caring about the people and,	2418.4572
1925		2419.1147	we got to help our people cause if we don't help ['em ain't] nobody gonna help 'em. But	2422.6713
1926	DCB_int_01	2421.1792	[Mm.]	2421.4170
1927	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2423.2915	I went through all the, you know-	2424.6764
1929		2424.9142	I mean I'm a- I'm fifty seven,	2426.3830
1931		2426.5275	so	2426.9752
1933		2427.6595	I saw the riots,	2428.7646
1935		2428.9371	and s- experienced and saw the impact of 'em, the neighborhoods tore up.	2432.5602
1937		2433.4543	And then I saw the segregation even more,	2435.6086
1939		2436.4339	but I always saw that	2437.5530
1941		2438.3970	we got less.	2439.2736
1943		2439.8553	We always got less.	2440.8672
1944	DCB_int_01	2440.9884	Mm.	2441.2682
1945	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2441.7858	Because the few- the little bit of time that I had to /dab/ into,	2445.1850
1947		2445.4869	how white people lived and what they were doing.	2447.6738
1949		2448.6204	They did it off the backs of our- our people.	2450.5928
1950	DCB_int_01	2453.8231	Do you feel like now that's even more so?	2456.0286
1951	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2456.0379	Oh,	2456.6022
1953		2456.7327	God yes (whispering).	2457.7947
1955		2459.0350	I think it's because we live in a reality world now,	2462.0379
1957		2462.6814	so everybody's saying what they want and doing what they want.	2465.1796
1959		2465.7112	So nobody's biting their tongue	2466.8862
1961		2467.7442	cause they don't have to. People are starting up their own businesses.	2470.2563
1963		2470.4568	They're not relying on the government money where they have to be cautious,	2473.0121
1965		2473.2219	so they can say what they want and treat people the way they wanna treat 'em.	2475.4088
1967		2476.7739	Or not.	2477.4407
1968	DCB_int_01	2477.7485	Mm.	2478.0189
1970		2478.7370	Do you feel like DC like- Cause of- You know, it's changed-	2481.5860
1971	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2481.7061	When I was coming up, it was called the Chocolate City.	2483.8371
1972	DCB_int_01	2484.2194	And [when-]	2484.6624
1973	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2484.3593	[Something]- This regentrification really- has really angered me	2488.1211
1974		2488.5454	because why couldn't we get	2489.8371
1976		2490.3127	regentrification for people who work every day.	2492.5462
1978		2492.8400	DC was built for people who	2494.4848
1980		2494.8625	work for the government, who caught busses to work.	2497.0261
1982		2497.3572	These people-	2497.8887
1984		2498.0146	People worked.	2498.8027
1986		2500.0418	They were working people.	2501.1236
1988		2501.7345	You didn't need a car in DC!	2503.0541
1990		2503.7302	I caught DC transit everywhere	2505.6735
1992		2505.8040	before I got a car.	2506.6294
1994		2507.7951	My children went to- w- caught the bus to school.	2509.7675
1996		2510.2478	We didn't even think about a car. We never even thought about driving- using a car	2513.2728
1998		2514.2427	til I got around some white folks.	2515.4877
1999	DCB_int_01	2517.2258	And that changed /you/?	2517.9486
2000	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2517.9486	That ch- really did. It changed everything because	2520.1355
2001		2520.4013	that's what you supposed to have.	2521.8639
2002	DCB_int_01	2522.7549	Mm.	2523.1279
2004		2523.2025	And that was -Especially in Northwest, right? Because that's- that's right away from	2526.9282
2006		2527.2499	the Cap- I mean, it's cl- it's far enough away from the Capital so they could be away, but it's close enough they could /inaudible/.	2532.2147
2007	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2531.4034	[I was right at the Gold] [Coast.]	2532.9981
2008	DCB_int_01	2532.8582	[Mm-hm.]	2533.4271
2009	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2533.6929	So,	2534.3550
2011		2534.8621	you know, it was,	2535.9206
2013		2536.0418	you know,	2536.4615
2015		2536.7133	you were kind of in between, caught it-	2538.5831
2017		2538.8069	you know,	2539.1567
2019		2539.8328	in between.	2540.5275
2021		2541.6502	But um,	2542.4428
2023		2543.5853	it was clear,	2544.3313
2025		2544.5971	you know,	2545.1054
2027		2546.2571	that	2546.7234
2029		2549.3661	they had it.	2549.9676
2031		2550.8769	You know, Mr. /RD-NAME-2/, my history teacher used to try to teach it to us, black history,	2555.3288
2033		2556.1448	and I took government,	2557.5017
2035		2557.7815	loved government	2558.6395
2037		2558.8120	cause that's when you learned about,	2560.1444
2039		2561.1656	you know, how it works.	2562.3733
2041		2562.9188	That made sense, and then you-	2564.4156
2043		2565.0300	I was	2565.5569
2045		2566.3263	treated in different cause of my complexion.	2568.1028
2046	DCB_int_01	2569.7628	You feel like even within	2570.9181
2048		2571.1046	[the black ra- mm.]	2572.9091
2049	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2571.3098	[My own community, I was] treated different i- because of my complexion. [Peo-]	2575.3665
2050	DCB_int_01	2574.9375	[And why do you] say that?	2575.9120
2051	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2576.4110	Oh, I remember when my	2578.0278
2053		2579.3241	grandfather died. /And then/ when my mother's brother died, and	2582.5462
2055		2582.6849	people- family come around, and	2584.4289
2057		2585.1376	I had real thick hair,	2586.5831
2059		2587.1380	somewhat- a decent- you know, nice long /length/.	2589.7994
2061		2593.4084	They would say, that's /RD-NAME-4/'s dau- daughter.	2595.3575
2063		2597.1423	She's not bad looking for a dark skinned child.	2599.5763
2065		2601.5429	You hear those things coming [up as a ch-]	2603.2728
2066	DCB_int_01	2602.6340	[And you still hear] now.	2603.7251
2067	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2604.0329	[You know],	2604.5458
2068	DCB_int_01	2604.0376	[That is] not- I'm not [surprised.]	2606.0333
2069	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2605.3945	[when I was coming] up,	2606.4110
2070		2607.6688	even when I	2608.3216
2072		2608.4708	separated, or even when I was interested in other people while I was married, cause I was in high school,	2613.7621
2074		2614.5408	they weren't interested in me because um,	2616.4992
2076		2616.6297	I was just a girl. They were probably interested in me more because	2619.6688
2078		2620.0978	I was married. I was probably more- a- ap- i- I probably appeared	2623.7302
2080		2624.1498	to them like I had more worldly sense than	2626.6633
2082		2627.0677	the average girl.	2628.0282
2083	DCB_int_01	2628.0236	Mm-hm.	2628.5458
2084	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2629.1846	But	2629.4831
2086		2631.3750	I've always been- oh, she's so black.	2632.9604
2088		2633.9210	She smart but she black.	2635.2219
2089	DCB_int_01	2637.5895	[Do you think that made difference like-]	2639.0397
2090	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2639.0164	[Oh.]	2639.7438
2091	DCB_int_01	2639.1656	[in your resour-] Like, the access you had to resources, and like,	2642.5882
2092		2642.7840	your experience,	2643.7714
2094		2644.4708	not even just within your own community, but I'm just saying navigating the city.	2647.4691
2095	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2648.1452	I would see people who were fair skinned and- that would be treated differently.	2651.5573
2097		2651.9956	I was in sixth grade. This girl's name was /RD-NAME-4/. She was w-	2655.2725
2099		2655.4123	She was very fair skinned with wavy hair,	2657.6086
2101		2657.9536	pig tails.	2658.5318
2103		2658.8209	My hair was pig tails and	2660.9099
2105		2661.3622	um, happy to nappy.	2662.6713
2106	DCB_int_01	2662.8625	Mm-hm.	2663.1703
2107	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2663.7438	That little girl got treated-	2665.3105
2109		2665.4597	and this was sixth grade-	2666.7420
2111		2667.2736	My teacher, Miss /RD-NAME-2/,	2668.7040
2113		2669.5806	treated that little girl different than she treated everybody else.	2672.4156
2115		2672.8948	/Hear what I tell you/.	2673.7248
2116	DCB_int_01	2674.6573	And she was black?	2675.3008
2117	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2675.6272	She was black. Cause her mother was dark, real [dark.]	2677.9979
2118	DCB_int_01	2677.8188	[I mean] no, the teacher was black?	2679.0405
2119	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2679.0405	Yeah the teacher was black,	2679.9952
2120		2680.5128	but she treated her different- That's when I started learning about it in school.	2683.4691
2122		2684.2245	But yeah,	2684.7607
2124		2684.9425	I started really paying attention cause when I was in high school, wasn't no white kids in the	2688.4199
2126		2688.6018	high school.	2689.1800
2128		2689.7675	Um,	2690.1125
2130		2691.0673	the teachers were teachers. You know, w- you didn't have many black- uh, white teachers, but there were a few.	2695.5623
2132		2696.0426	I only had one.	2696.8586
2134		2697.4030	Um, and then when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/, um,	2699.7485
2136		2700.0096	they were all white.	2700.6391
2138		2700.7743	There weren't no black teachers there.	2701.8981
2140		2703.0859	But um,	2703.8087
2142		2704.2377	when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	2705.6552
2144		2705.9536	it was totally different.	2706.9841
2145	DCB_int_01	2707.2499	Now did you go when it was separate campuses or when it was the	2709.8973
2147		2710.0885	/RD-SCHOOL-2/ campus, or did you go when it was like, in different parts of the [city?]	2713.7955
2148	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2713.7115	[It was] just /RD-SCHOOL-2/ campus when I- Well, see it was /RD-SCHOOL-6/ [/down there/.]	2717.6412
2149	DCB_int_01	2717.0817	[Mm, right, okay.] Mm-hm.	2718.1401
2150	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2718.2800	Okay, I only went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ campus. [By the time] I went,	2720.8166
2151	DCB_int_01	2719.9260	[Okay.]	2720.2664
2152	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2721.2025	a majority of the, you know, s- classes were- disciplines and things were	2724.7417
2154		2725.0867	on campus.	2725.9167
2156		2727.0207	And um,	2727.8740
2158		2730.3640	it made a big difference.	2731.5437
2159	DCB_int_01	2733.0953	[/Cause it felt like/] profess- It wasn't like,	2734.8672
2160	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2733.1932	[I felt like-]	2733.7201
2161	DCB_int_01	2734.9977	people right out of high school. It [wasn't your traditional] [college] [student.]	2737.8887
2162	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2736.1122	[No.]	2736.6344
2164		2737.0447	[Mm-mm.]	2737.4737
2166		2737.6602	[It wasn't-] it- Right. There were older people there. There were teachers there. Um,	2742.3873
2167		2744.5555	it was	2744.8586
2169		2745.3984	diverse in terms of	2746.4522
2171		2746.9558	edu- you know the, uh, educators.	2748.9095
2173		2749.4597	You know, we had a lot of Indians. We had a lot of um-	2752.1398
2175		2754.3220	lot of Indians, lot of Africans.	2756.0519
2177		2756.5602	You know,	2756.9973
2179		2757.2025	in terms of-	2758.1025
2181		2758.5361	It seemed like a lot to us. If it was	2760.2334
2183		2760.6251	probably more than three, it was a lot.	2761.8468
2185		2762.6581	But- <laugh>	2763.6500
2187		2764.4615	But that's where I c-	2765.2868
2189		2765.4873	You know, those are the things that you start	2767.2079
2191		2767.3478	learning about who you are. You start reading. You start	2770.2750
2193		2771.1236	tryna understand, you know.	2772.8862
2195		2773.1054	Um-	2773.6323
2196	DCB_int_01	2773.7861	What do you think is your most influential or your favorite book?	2776.6760
2198		2777.8417	And it could been that you read [during that time-]	2779.8794
2199	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2778.9701	[Race Matter.]	2779.7675
2200	DCB_int_01	2780.3597	Which one?	2780.7094
2201	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2780.7747	Race Matters.	2781.5394
2203		2781.8880	[Cornel W-]	2782.4946
2204	DCB_int_01	2782.1398	[Cornel West?]	2782.8392
2205	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2784.9142	Mm-hm.	2785.2872
2206	DCB_int_01	2786.3877	Did you see him just recently? He was at uh,	2788.3030
2207	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2788.2890	[Howard.]	2788.7599
2208	DCB_int_01	2788.5408	[Howard?]	2788.9278
2209	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2789.2309	I usually see him every time he comes to Howard.	2791.5577
2211		2791.7768	He does something to me that-	2793.6500
2213		2798.4551	I think black people are scared of him	2800.0592
2215		2800.1664	so much. You know, people treat [him-]	2801.8669
2216	DCB_int_01	2801.5874	[He's insightful.] He makes [you-]	2802.8954
2217	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2802.7392	[He] just [makes you think. Right.]	2804.6649
2218	DCB_int_01	2803.3966	[He incites]	2804.5111
2219		2805.2478	emotion.	2806.0265
2220	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2806.1804	Right.	2806.4555
2222		2807.2610	Him.	2807.6620
2224		2808.3615	Him.	2808.7252
2225	DCB_int_01	2810.0121	Have you read most of his stuff?	2811.5988
2226	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2811.9939	Most of it. I have- /Well/-	2812.8787
2228		2813.0792	That one he signed for me, and so that's very n- dear to me.	2816.2733
2230		2816.8328	Um,	2817.3038
2232		2818.9113	one of the things I think h-	2820.4361
2234		2820.8278	we missed the boat on is learning about finances	2823.6395
2236		2823.7747	at a very y- young age.	2824.9766
2238		2825.9978	I think we missed that boat, but we were too /bigsy/ tryna survive. So we-	2829.1918
2239	DCB_int_01	2829.3038	[It wasn't about the checking] and savings [account. It was] just [tryna /get to the next day/.]	2832.8977
2240	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2829.4157	[What was finance?]	2830.5021
2242		2831.1211	[Wasn't no-]	2831.4009
2244		2831.5408	[Wasn't about finance when th- n-]	2833.0562
2245		2833.1821	It was about making it.	2833.9981
2246	DCB_int_01	2834.3199	[Mm-hm.]	2834.8188
2247	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2834.5577	[So]	2834.9820
2248		2835.1033	you know, um,	2835.9193
2250		2836.4777	even though there were black people who were,	2838.0351
2252		2838.4780	I think for poor black people,	2840.1287
2254		2840.5297	you know, you were just trying to	2841.7887
2256		2842.0906	make ends meet.	2842.8647
2258		2843.6014	But um,	2844.3755
2260		2845.3267	you didn't feel poor.	2846.4085
2261	DCB_int_01	2847.5229	Mm-hm.	2847.9332
2262	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2848.0860	Your table was clean. It wasn't like you ate on no crate or nothing-	2851.1355
2264		2851.4339	My mother had table cloths and	2853.2292
2266		2853.8260	f- plates [and-]	2854.9673
2267	DCB_int_01	2854.6921	[And you] cared about	2855.7133
2268		2856.0584	what things looked [like. It wasn't just any kind of way.]	2858.4424
2269	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2856.0630	[Yeah.]	2856.7532
2271		2856.9863	[My mother cared about- It was] about- Yeah. Appearance was [everything.]	2860.1233
2272	DCB_int_01	2859.8808	[Thing.] Mm-hm.	2860.6269
2273	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2860.9906	Appearance was	2861.8905
2275		2862.1889	everything.	2863.1635
2277		2864.2546	You didn't go out the house with your hair not combed. Your clothes had to be ironed.	2868.0817
2279		2868.5014	And I think I in- I instilled that with my children.	2871.0659
2281		2871.6768	They-	2872.0032
2283		2872.3564	They couldn't go out the house until	2874.5713
2285		2875.5878	they were well groomed, and I would change their clothes twice a day. Appearance was a big deal.	2880.0957
2286	DCB_int_01	2880.5107	Mm.	2880.9303
2287	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2881.0096	Appearance was a big deal.	2881.9795
2288	DCB_int_01	2882.2546	Cause that's what the first thing people see. They judge you before you can open your [mouth.]	2885.5128
2289	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2885.0559	[Honey],	2885.4615
2290		2885.5968	appearance-	2886.3335
2292		2886.8138	When my ch- We would get on the bus, they were well- w-	2889.1266
2294		2889.2665	well groomed, well cleaned, everything. Whenever they went anywhere-	2892.9785
2296		2893.4619	Um,	2893.8722
2298		2894.2639	my mother even taught us that.	2895.4670
2300		2895.6535	You know, um,	2896.5254
2302		2896.9673	children will be seen and not [heard], so that mean that	2899.5831
2303	DCB_int_01	2898.3242	[Heard.]	2898.6552
2304	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2899.6997	appearance was everything,	2900.7908
2306		2900.9494	you know, and	2901.8073
2308		2902.3937	we caught the b- I remember	2903.5874
2310		2903.7460	my mother	2904.3288
2312		2906.3245	talking about Garfinckel's- You don't know nothing about Garfinckel's and	2909.3916
2314		2909.8159	Woodies and	2910.8184
2316		2911.4992	Julius Lansburgh's. Those were the stores black people couldn't go into	2915.4755
2318		2915.9278	for a long time.	2916.9303
2320		2918.6789	They couldn't go in those stores until	2920.2317
2322		2921.1071	the seventies.	2921.9045
2324		2924.3059	Garfinckel's was a high end store	2926.0964
2326		2926.9999	that was on Fourteenth Street. Actually, on Fourteenth and um,	2930.1520
2328		2931.0286	G Street.	2931.8073
2330		2932.8880	On- Um- Then there was Julius Lansburgh's that was on Seventh Street. And then there was um, Woodies.	2939.1491
2332		2940.6506	And then there was Hecht's.	2941.7697
2333	DCB_int_01	2942.7768	I know Hecht's.	2943.5882
2334	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2943.7281	Mm-hm.	2944.2363
2336		2944.7807	The original Hecht's	2945.8392
2338		2947.3966	before it became Macy's and all of that.	2949.2126
2340		2949.4903	But	2949.7794
2342		2950.6968	Hecht's.	2951.2191
2344		2951.8252	And	2952.3381
2346		2953.4199	you know, but we didn't shop at no- no- none of those stores. We shopped at	2956.7761
2348		2957.3962	Morton's, MacBride's,	2959.4619
2350		2960.7768	um,	2961.3877
2352		2962.8367	/Sears and ??/,	2963.8066
2353	DCB_int_01	2964.0630	Mm.	2964.2635
2354	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2964.2822	maybe.	2964.7112
2355	DCB_int_01	2966.3758	When do you feel like,	2967.6675
2357		2969.1631	you	2969.4382
2359		2969.8579	no longer just had to survive, but you kind of- Not-	2972.1800
2361		2972.4598	That you arrived. That you were at just a good	2974.6408
2363		2975.0792	place.	2975.6667
2364	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2975.6667	I haven't gotten there yet.	2976.5760
2365	DCB_int_01	2977.5925	Still on that journey.	2978.4738
2366	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	2979.0100	I haven't gotten there yet.	2979.9612
2368		2980.2398	As a matter of act, it's ironic you should say that. It was just the other day-	2983.6577
2370		2984.4924	I have a very dear friend who's a therapist and	2986.7947
2372		2987.3449	sometimes when I'm talking to her, she's being a therapist I can tell. And sometimes she's being a friend.	2992.1244
2374		2993.1118	And she said, you've been in survival mode all your life.	2995.6065
2376		2995.7557	You don't know what it's like not to be.	2997.6441
2378		2998.0918	Because I'm always tryna make sure things are in place.	3001.0984
2380		3002.0261	I'm always afraid of not having enough food, not having enough money.	3005.3216
2382		3006.0584	Those are issues for me.	3007.1495
2384		3007.7417	And I don't mean I have to be rich or anything,	3009.4623
2386		3009.8855	but making sure everything is covered.	3011.5175
2387	DCB_int_01	3012.4594	And so what do- You still work with	3014.1567
2389		3014.4504	family services.	3015.9659
2390	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3015.9845	/RD-WORK-12/. I've been there for seventeen years.	3019.5232
2391	DCB_int_01	3020.4178	And do you still do HIV counseling?	3022.2410
2392	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3022.5243	No, I do not. I- I have	3024.2449
2394		3024.4687	become a manager	3025.7277
2396		3026.0354	there. M-	3026.7862
2398		3027.2944	project director, project manager.	3029.5641
2400		3030.1983	Um,	3030.8837
2402		3031.0609	I don't do direct client service	3032.8608
2404		3033.4576	um,	3033.9985
2406		3034.3564	directly, but you know, if clients come to me who were my clients years ago,	3038.5484
2408		3038.9494	I'm always gonna make time for 'em.	3040.2725
2410		3040.7248	I can remember a time I wouldn't even hug my client.	3042.7951
2412		3043.0609	I hug 'em to death.	3044.1380
2413	DCB_int_01	3045.4530	Was that before- that- Was that because you were f- like,	3047.8112
2415		3047.9977	that was the big [fear? /inaudible/]	3049.5925
2416	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3048.5666	[I thought I was too cute.]	3049.8582
2417		3050.0308	Come on now!	3050.7722
2418	DCB_int_01	3050.6090	[Oh, okay. I thought it was like], I was gonna get AIDS [or something. Cause that was a big thing, that-]	3054.7485
2419	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3051.2711	[I thought I was-]	3052.0824
2421		3053.0931	[Uh- No, I thought I had arrived.] I was a s- Well, it was a control piece for me,	3058.0405
2422		3058.3797	you know.	3058.7528
2424		3059.0931	[That-]	3059.3543
2425	DCB_int_01	3059.1957	[To] keep [it separate-]	3059.9045
2426	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3059.5501	[maintains]	3060.6086
2427	DCB_int_01	3060.1050	[Mm.]	3060.5899
2428	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3060.7531	image	3061.3220
2430		3061.7137	separate.	3062.2593
2432		3062.7209	But doing all that, it doesn't mean you can't care about people.	3065.1304
2433	DCB_int_01	3065.8532	Mm.	3066.2169
2434	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3067.2800	So /RD-WORK-5/ really helped restore my caring about	3070.3389
2436		3070.6735	human beings.	3071.5688
2437	DCB_int_01	3072.0677	And do you still live in the house- your first house that you purchased or have you since [moved?]	3075.6208
2438	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3075.3317	[No], I just sold that house that I first purchased um,	3078.7112
2439		3080.0587	April.	3080.4877
2440	DCB_int_01	3081.1825	Oh.	3081.4716
2442		3081.7514	Like,	3082.0172
2444		3083.0279	couple months ago.	3083.7879
2445	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3083.9418	Mm-hm.	3084.4640
2446	DCB_int_01	3084.9956	And you bought a new house?	3086.1893
2447	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3086.2872	Well I've been in the- The house that I've been in now, I've been in for over ten years.	3089.7459
2449		3091.4386	Struggling.	3091.9422
2450	DCB_int_01	3093.2991	And where is that?	3093.9939
2452		3094.1932	Is that-	3094.4776
2454		3094.6222	that's the- that's still in [Southeast?]	3096.2356
2455	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3094.7528	[And-]	3095.0092
2457		3096.0071	[It's in] the Southeast Gold Coast they call it.	3097.9935
2458	DCB_int_01	3098.6789	I don't know Southeast Gold- I've never heard that term.	3100.9859
2459	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3101.2517	It's Hillcrest.	3102.1796
2460	DCB_int_01	3103.4992	Mm-hm.	3104.1846
2462		3104.3852	Okay, now that you put it that way, I did just interview someone who [grew up in that area.]	3108.3708
2463	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3107.2284	[<laugh>]	3108.8324
2464		3109.5437	It's Hillcrest. That's the area that	3112.7086
2466		3112.9464	th- th-	3113.3754
2468		3113.8091	the elitist	3114.7790
2470		3114.9375	black people would move to, and	3117.1897
2472		3117.4916	now they're	3118.1025
2474		3119.5806	tryna move us out, but.	3121.0681
2475	DCB_int_01	3123.0171	So now you have- That's-	3124.0605
2477		3124.6900	Hill- That's- You have arrived.	3126.3406
2478	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3126.9561	Well, <sigh>	3127.6929
2480		3127.8468	y- I- To me, arriving meaning [when you-]	3129.9859
2482		3130.5035	[you don't worry about] anything.	3132.0795
2484		3132.4013	[You know, it's not]	3133.6463
2486		3133.8001	um-	3134.2944
2488		3136.4751	You know, you're [managing everything.]	3138.1401
2489	DCB_int_01	3138.3220	[Mm-hm.]	3138.7696
2490	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3139.0308	You know, [I'm still-]	3139.6574
2491	DCB_int_01	3139.2219	[And you don't] [feel like you're at that place?]	3140.9332
2492	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3141.1372	I'm still struggling to hold [/onk/.]	3142.5687
2494		3143.8837	At [fifty sev-]	3144.6764
2495	DCB_int_01	3144.0935	[Is that more] [mental?]	3145.2033
2496		3145.3711	[Or do you feel like] that's your [physical, financial, social]-	3148.7599
2498		3148.9837	[or is that] [mental because, I still haven't reached a] place I wanna be,	3152.0613
2499	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3148.9931	All of that.	3149.4827
2500	DCB_int_01	3152.2571	[even though I'm in a good place.]	3153.6500
2501	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3152.5742	[I don't even think- I- I've] gotten to the point where I'm tryna find some peace,	3156.1495
2502		3156.2800	tryna balance it, so	3157.7209
2504		3158.9519	where I wanna be is with peace. And [I don't think]-	3161.1003
2505	DCB_int_01	3160.6900	[Mm.]	3161.1003
2506	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3161.5246	You know, and I got to	3162.2940
2508		3162.6437	balance it because	3163.7628
2510		3164.2944	to me, peace come when everything is in order.	3166.4755
2512		3168.6064	You know, so I'm learning to get some peace w- even though it's-	3170.9332
2514		3171.5895	All that's not [in or-]	3172.6014
2515	DCB_int_01	3172.2190	[Chaos] is everywhere.	3173.2029
2516	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3173.2029	[Mm-hm.]	3173.7158
2517	DCB_int_01	3173.3428	[Yeah.]	3173.7391
2518	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3174.3873	So um,	3175.4038
2520		3177.9159	yeah.	3178.2517
2522		3178.6200	I'm struggling to hold on.	3180.3080
2523	DCB_int_01	3180.3033	What do you do for fun?	3181.2313
2524	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3182.0659	I hand dance.	3182.9985
2525	DCB_int_01	3183.6268	Can you tell- You are the first person	3185.5480
2527		3185.9256	that I have asked about hand dancing.	3187.9307
2528	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3187.9167	[Mm-hm.]	3188.4156
2529	DCB_int_01	3188.2979	[Someone] told me about it [before but-]	3190.0885
2530	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3189.4636	[That's a DC-]	3190.2796
2531		3190.4009	That's a DC culture.	3191.5853
2533		3191.7811	Every-	3192.2660
2535		3192.4292	Every	3192.9561
2537		3193.3898	African American city has it.	3195.0311
2539		3195.1885	Um, Chicago has swing,	3196.9511
2541		3197.5806	everybody has some form of it, but	3199.7069
2543		3200.1825	they have um, done- They've done a documentary on hand dancing in DC and the cultural of it.	3205.4504
2545		3205.9773	Really it's before my time. It was the people who were in high school in the sixties.	3209.9593
2546	DCB_int_01	3210.9049	[So what is] it?	3211.6789
2547	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3210.9142	[Okay?]	3211.4644
2548		3212.3830	It's a f-	3212.7747
2550		3213.1524	uh-	3213.6500
2552		3213.9439	It's a- a dance where man and a woman	3215.9536
2554		3216.0609	are dancing, and a man leads the woman	3218.5136
2556		3219.5149	all the time.	3220.2517
2558		3220.8019	She's never in charge.	3222.0749
2560		3222.4852	That is the one time she in not in charge.	3224.4716
2562		3225.4636	He	3225.7714
2564		3225.9113	leads her the whole dance.	3227.6412
2566		3228.2567	Um,	3228.6297
2568		3229.4224	and dances- You dance to the-	3231.4869
2570		3231.6455	the music of the sixties even though now you can dance to	3234.5785
2572		3235.2639	a lot of R&B.	3236.3690
2574		3237.0346	But most of it was music from- all the music from the sixties and	3240.4199
2576		3240.6064	some of the fifties.	3241.6556
2578		3242.2338	Um, and /bobbing/. You know, it was	3244.1864
2580		3244.5594	/music/	3244.9837
2582		3245.9210	for The Temptations, some,	3247.5670
2584		3248.0519	um,	3248.4949
2586		3249.5522	The Miracles,	3250.5874
2588		3251.1050	you know, The Supremes.	3252.4386
2590		3253.0308	All of Motown.	3254.0659
2592		3254.3550	All of Motown, Sam Cooke.	3256.5268
2594		3256.9884	You know, [all of those] people.	3258.5411
2595	DCB_int_01	3257.5246	[Mm-hm.]	3258.1028
2596	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3258.8769	Otis Redding.	3259.8654
2598		3260.5555	Brook Benton.	3261.4182
2600		3261.7201	You know, all of those people.	3262.9324
2602		3263.4500	So it's a dance that two people do,	3265.8188
2604		3266.1498	man and woman do together,	3267.5755
2606		3267.9626	and it's very nice.	3268.7832
2607	DCB_int_01	3269.4081	Is there anything that's iconic about hand dancing that you don't see in other dances? Like is there a reason it's called hand dancing [verse-]	3275.3197
2608	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3275.1236	[Because] you're touching.	3276.0982
2609		3276.4712	Which you don't [d- d-]	3277.3525
2610	DCB_int_01	3277.0681	[And you] touch the whole time.	3278.4856
2611	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3278.6208	You h-	3279.1011
2613		3279.5009	You gracefully touch.	3280.8625
2614	DCB_int_01	3281.0024	Mm-hm.	3281.5386
2615	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3281.7065	So,	3282.1914
2617		3282.8163	what's iconic about it- that it's not a loose dance where someone is touching you in a provocative way.	3288.6260
2619		3289.1007	Um, that they dance now, more	3291.0032
2621		3291.2212	free.	3291.5476
2623		3292.7506	Free styling, people are touching and they	3294.5785
2625		3295.1846	close.	3295.6276
2627		3296.3410	You get close, but it's su- It's done in such a way that it's very	3300.4712
2629		3300.7650	elegant.	3301.2266
2630	DCB_int_01	3302.7980	What about go go music?	3303.8180
2631	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3304.3263	Love it	3305.2169
2633		3305.7298	to death.	3306.3127
2635		3306.4386	My children,	3307.0867
2637		3307.5530	um,	3307.8234
2639		3307.9596	were young when go go music was up, so I didn't get a chance to go out as much and do any of those things,	3312.9338
2641		3313.2182	but I love go go.	3314.2208
2642	DCB_int_01	3315.2932	[/Inaudible/]	3316.0766
2643	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3315.2979	[Love] /it/.	3316.4869
2644		3316.9952	Well, my- I would have to say my favorite	3319.1250
2646		3319.2322	is-	3320.0529
2648		3322.0719	What's the group that sing-	3323.0372
2650		3324.2344	I like EU.	3325.1157
2652		3326.0762	I like Trouble Funk. See when I came up, it was EU, Trouble Funk,	3329.0045
2654		3329.3391	Chuck Brown.	3330.1831
2656		3330.5188	Because you know, Chuck is	3331.4374
2658		3331.6799	deeper than go go music. [You do know] that.	3333.7828
2659	DCB_int_01	3333.0927	[Mm-hm.]	3333.5683
2660	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3334.2911	You know,	3334.6408
2662		3334.9940	he was with the soul searchers and all of them.	3337.0550
2664		3337.6239	But um,	3338.4399
2666		3338.6358	when my kids were	3339.7689
2668		3340.2212	in junior high school,	3341.2983
2670		3341.7215	so I stayed abreast at it,	3343.5260
2672		3343.7778	you know.	3344.2721
2674		3344.9389	Um,	3345.4378
2676		3345.6430	love it.	3345.9787
2678		3347.3531	Love it.	3347.8240
2679	DCB_int_01	3347.9779	Do you have a favorite song?	3348.9338
2680	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3349.6985	<laugh> <ts>	3350.2627
2682		3351.1627	<sigh> Um,	3352.7108
2684		3353.0931	I like all of Chuck. I like his old music. I like um,	3356.2114
2686		3356.5565	The Policeman is on the Premises	3358.5476
2688		3359.5909	and um,	3360.7053
2690		3362.1322	Five in the Morn- I mean, uh,	3363.4844
2692		3363.6569	Three in the Morning.	3364.5522
2694		3364.6723	I- I can't- I- Don't ask me the name of it, but I do know it.	3367.2136
2696		3367.4094	Uh,	3367.8244
2698		3367.9596	The Pancake House with you know-	3369.3539
2700		3370.0160	That's when they used to wear Adidas sweats suits and	3372.4768
2702		3372.7846	[Kangol hats.]	3374.0109
2703	DCB_int_01	3372.8079	[Mm-hm. Mm-hm.]	3374.5099
2704	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3374.2114	[<laugh>]	3374.4912
2705		3374.8269	My	3375.2233
2707		3375.3352	children	3376.0160
2709		3376.1046	had to have Adidas sweat suits and Adidas tennis shoes.	3379.0364
2710	DCB_int_01	3379.7358	W- Did they do the hat?	3380.7197
2712		3381.3445	[/?/]	3381.6663
2713	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3381.8108	No, they really didn't do the hat- well /RD-NAME-3/ did because she did a play	3386.7057
2715		3387.6476	in school.	3388.3657
2717		3388.9801	Now, see, now when you talk about	3390.5328
2719		3390.7566	racial issues,	3391.7405
2721		3392.1695	I had more racial issues with /RD-NAME-3/ in high school	3394.6548
2723		3395.0920	because her school was lily white.	3397.3068
2725		3397.9177	And they	3399.2653
2727		3399.5310	were not integrating any	3401.4009
2729		3402.2344	black history, any black anything really.	3404.7710
2731		3405.7689	And sh- she was really into Nikki Giovanni at the time.	3409.1112
2732	DCB_int_01	3409.1576	Mm-hm.	3409.7172
2733	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3410.1228	And she wanted to do	3411.9600
2735		3412.6035	her speech on, I was born in the congo.	3415.2229
2736	DCB_int_01	3415.2416	Mm-hm.	3415.8384
2737	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3416.6544	Okay?	3417.1673
2739		3417.9460	And they didn't want her to do it, and so I had to go up there.	3420.4629
2741		3420.9758	You know, and she did Martin Luther's-	3422.5472
2743		3423.1813	Um,	3423.5171
2745		3423.9833	King,	3424.4636
2747		3424.6175	uh,	3424.9392
2749		3425.3624	Mountaintop. So she	3426.2857
2751		3426.5841	w- won very- on several oratorical contests.	3429.5357
2753		3429.9740	But	3430.2398
2755		3430.4730	I would-	3430.7189
2757		3430.8402	sh- sh- she always was encouraged to do	3433.3302
2759		3434.3886	black	3434.7430
2761		3434.9901	literature because she went to a lily white school.	3436.9999
2762	DCB_int_01	3437.9686	She was the exposure.	3439.1739
2763	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3439.1670	Mm-hm.	3439.7079
2764	DCB_int_01	3439.8804	Mm-hm.	3440.1975
2765	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3440.3980	But for me, I was ha- was very blessed to have a lot of positive	3443.2598
2767		3443.5862	educated black women.	3444.7613
2769		3445.1763	I worked- when I worked at /RD-WORK-4/ for twenty years,	3447.4658
2771		3447.8341	/RD-NAME-3/ and /RD-NAME-2/ grew up	3448.9952
2773		3450.0992	in the hospital	3450.8685
2775		3450.9618	because-	3451.3861
2777		3451.7778	You know, they were always there.	3452.8503
2779		3454.3937	So people- When it was time for them to go to school,	3456.4862
2781		3456.7846	people were very generous to me.	3458.3000
2782	DCB_int_01	3460.3890	Are you a Delta?	3460.9859
2783	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3461.7308	N- Unfortunately, I'm not.	3463.1436
2784	DCB_int_01	3463.5493	Oh, okay.	3463.9736
2785	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3464.1089	[No, that was-]	3464.6591
2786	DCB_int_01	3464.1508	[/Alright/, I didn't] know if I had seen you [wearing-]	3466.3144
2787	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3465.9833	[I w-] I wanted to be one.	3467.4428
2788		3467.9826	I mean when I tell you I wanted to be one- Like, I could taste it.	3470.6404
2790		3472.1885	I wanted to be one.	3473.1724
2792		3473.6608	But	3473.9126
2794		3474.0199	I wanted her to be one. I can remember very much so, when she was like,	3477.6196
2796		3478.1885	I'm not pledging anything.	3479.9639
2798		3480.7566	I don't need to be defined by	3482.9855
2800		3483.5730	an organization.	3484.5942
2802		3486.0618	And I said, oh.	3486.9012
2804		3487.1763	Af-	3487.4327
2806		3487.6146	af- after first year, she called home. She said, I have something to tell you.	3491.3169
2808		3492.6074	And I said, what? And she said, I wanna pledge Delta, and it's gonna cost this much.	3497.3169
2810		3497.8334	And at the time, I was working at the /RD-WORK-5/, Doctor /RD-NAME-5/-	3500.8782
2812		3501.1627	who's recently just died	3502.7294
2814		3503.7121	last week-	3504.2763
2816		3505.6845	was a Delta.	3506.4119
2818		3507.3072	And she gave me her registration fee money.	3509.3111
2820		3509.5443	She said, of course she can be a Delta.	3511.5260
2822		3513.3445	Yeah.	3513.6150
2823	DCB_int_01	3515.3484	[/Aw/.]	3515.7308
2824	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3515.4137	[S-]	3515.6468
2825	DCB_int_01	3516.2111	That's just cra- It's so funny, like listening	3518.9948
2827		3520.1978	because I-	3520.6781
2829		3520.8553	I think about my experiences. I don't think I've had as m-	3524.3840
2831		3524.5332	Race has been-	3525.5264
2833		3525.8435	I grew up in the South, and race was-	3527.4522
2835		3527.7774	it's an [issue],	3528.8787
2836	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3528.3090	[Prevalent.] Mm-hm.	3529.2276
2837	DCB_int_01	3530.1881	but I think my mom sheltered me from it	3532.2072
2839		3532.4217	a lot.	3532.9486
2840	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3533.2144	Mm-hm.	3533.6294
2841	DCB_int_01	3533.7961	Um, and my grandma, and then when I got	3535.8850
2843		3536.0855	you know, when I came here-	3537.8341
2845		3538.0766	I go to- I went to Geo- It was very diverse.	3540.1691
2847		3540.9525	But I-	3541.3488
2849		3541.7218	coming outside and living outside of that bubble,	3543.7362
2850	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3543.9740	[Mm-hm.]	3544.3844
2851	DCB_int_01	3544.1465	[you know, I didn't] do that as a student. So [now like], hearing these stories and how much	3547.8697
2852	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3545.6888	[Mm-hm.]	3546.0665
2853	DCB_int_01	3548.2348	race like, played a [part] in like, [this city]	3551.1537
2854	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3549.5637	[<ts>]	3549.7036
2856		3550.0113	[<sigh>]	3551.1211
2857	DCB_int_01	3551.6422	from going from Chocolate City- one girl calls it the swirl that's losing the chocolate.	3555.2699
2858	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3556.1932	Uh,	3556.7854
2859	DCB_int_01	3556.9101	[<laugh>]	3557.8147
2860	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3557.2890	[exactly.] Uh, when you look at-	3559.4700
2861		3560.3793	When I look at	3561.1580
2863		3561.8901	being a young woman going out entertainment,	3564.3743
2865		3564.5654	it was black. It was just- We- We were everywhere.	3567.1300
2867		3568.5382	The only time I really saw a lot of people were tourists.	3571.0271
2868	DCB_int_01	3571.9550	Mm-hm.	3572.5052
2870		3573.0508	Do you- Have you done the- Have you been a tourist? Or have you-	3575.7634
2871	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3575.7354	Mm-hm.	3576.1271
2872	DCB_int_01	3576.0945	Since you've always just lived [here /inaudible/.]	3577.9783
2873	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3577.2742	[No, one time-] Nope.	3578.6917
2874		3578.9249	One time, I r-	3579.9554
2876		3580.1139	I learned a lot	3581.1024
2878		3581.2971	becoming a tourist one time (laughing). And it wasn't until I w-	3584.0669
2880		3584.4866	got married again.	3585.2373
2882		3586.1092	We took the bus-	3587.2283
2884		3587.4976	tour bus,	3588.2064
2886		3588.9804	and I learned about the /archiatect/.	3591.4844
2888		3591.6010	I learned to appreciate the /archiatect/ more in DC.	3594.1504
2889	DCB_int_01	3597.6663	So do you still like-	3598.7294
2891		3599.1479	Do you go with your grandkids to like, the [monuments and-]	3603.2466
2892	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3602.4213	[No.]	3603.2653
2893		3603.5217	They don't- I try to. They always go,	3605.4615
2895		3605.7308	no, I don't wanna do that Nana.	3607.0877
2897		3607.3861	These children today-	3608.6358
2899		3609.4844	See when you w- We were- When I was coming up, that's all you had. You didn't have a whole bunch of a-	3613.3628
2901		3613.9317	you know, distractions and [gadgets.]	3615.7362
2902	DCB_int_01	3615.2886	[Video games] and-	3616.2491
2903	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3616.3377	Gadgets and stuff. We had to make do. We-	3618.7566
2905		3619.2695	If we didn't have real jacks, we played with	3621.4051
2907		3621.5637	rocks	3622.2258
2909		3622.4310	and a ball.	3623.1024
2910	DCB_int_01	3623.8847	Mm-hm.	3624.2810
2911	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3624.2017	If we didn't have a baseball, we played- You know, we- we- If we had a bat and a ball, we was doing good.	3629.3857
2912		3629.6235	We m- We may not even had a glove.	3631.4188
2914		3633.4704	If one person had a bike in the neighborhood, everybody rode it,	3635.9826
2915	DCB_int_01	3636.3136	Mm-hm.	3636.7893
2916	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3637.6006	You know, so, it wasn't like,	3639.1767
2918		3639.5823	you know, anybody was more pri- There was always a few people who had a li- two dollars more than you did.	3644.5699
2920		3644.7010	You know, it's always gonna be that.	3645.9134
2922		3646.4496	But	3646.8460
2924		3648.8825	we- we didn't- we- You know, it was just a s- way it was. I mean, you-	3652.4683
2926		3652.5849	people worked every day, and	3654.1598
2928		3654.8359	um,	3655.5260
2930		3656.7990	you had re- chores and responsibilities and,	3659.3169
2932		3659.9546	you we- we were latchkey kids, for lack of a better word. We didn't look at it that way. Our parents worked. You went home. You	3665.3449
2934		3665.7588	took off you-	3666.3883
2936		3666.8312	your school clothes. You cleaned up. You got caught playing	3669.3958
2938		3669.7549	outside in 'em, you got a whooping.	3671.1864
2939	DCB_int_01	3671.4090	Mm-hm.	3671.9033
2940	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3672.0292	You can't even whoop a child now.	3673.2835
2941	DCB_int_01	3673.4421	Mm.	3673.6985
2943		3673.8897	Without somebody calling somebody or saying [something.] Mm-hm.	3676.7667
2944	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3675.7176	[Mm-hm.]	3676.2212
2945		3676.8973	Right.	3677.2610
2947		3677.3577	But I think- I don't think	3678.7240
2949		3679.1903	abuse or beating a child	3681.1767
2951		3681.6663	is accepted, but I do think some children, if you had whooped their hind butts a little bit,	3685.7498
2953		3686.0576	they may not be out here doing some of the things they're doing.	3688.6222
2954	DCB_int_01	3688.8833	If you could leave a piece of advice to-	3690.9338
2956		3691.6799	Not even just young people, but like,	3693.1114
2958		3694.1465	anybody. Like, especially in this time, in this space.	3697.7172
2960		3698.0622	Kind of thinking about you being in survivor mode, what would that piece of advice be?	3701.8099
2961	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3705.4564	Learn about who you are.	3706.5557
2963		3708.6960	And- and- and- and- and- and-	3710.7337
2965		3711.2932	don't-	3712.0160
2967		3714.4908	I think black	3715.1949
2969		3715.4887	kids have a little bit more pride about who they are now	3718.0673
2971		3719.0278	than when I came up. So,	3720.2997
2973		3720.7240	I think	3721.4141
2975		3722.1788	one of the things that is missing for young people-	3724.6735
2977		3725.5489	When we were coming up, there was always somebody striving	3728.4399
2979		3728.7757	to get better for us.	3730.0788
2981		3730.9859	You know, the	3731.6620
2983		3731.9173	um-	3732.4476
2985		3733.9317	the Martins,	3734.8549
2987		3735.5124	the /Eggers/.	3736.3844
2989		3737.0407	Somebody was there	3738.3403
2991		3738.7613	telling us,	3739.5167
2993		3740.2814	we need somebody like that.	3741.8062
2995		3742.7621	Obama can't do it by hisself.	3744.3370
2996	DCB_int_01	3745.8897	Do you feel like that changed the city? Do you feel like that changed the feel of [the city?]	3749.5454
2997	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3748.9113	[Obama ain't had] nothing to do with the change of the feel of the city.	3751.4794
2998		3751.7218	That was happening under the tables. They sold us out.	3754.5056
3000		3755.9453	The council people,	3757.2462
3002		3758.3047	all of the people who are /tryna- making/ money	3761.2656
3004		3761.5816	sold the people out.	3762.7426
3006		3763.7825	Okay?	3764.0995
3008		3764.3280	This is the District of Columbia. We're not that big.	3766.5522
3010		3766.7807	How in the hell you gonna let them come in here and overbuild like that?	3770.0343
3012		3770.4259	We didn't agree to that.	3771.4145
3013	DCB_int_01	3771.8714	Mm.	3772.1465
3014	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3772.2351	So it's about money. It's not about people.	3774.3929
3016		3774.6540	It's never been about [people.]	3775.9690
3017	DCB_int_01	3775.5186	[Peop-] Mm.	3776.3373
3018	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3776.9622	We live in a capitalist society.	3778.5709
3020		3779.3531	They don't care about people	3780.4629
3022		3780.8499	catching the bus to work, an-	3782.1602
3024		3782.3653	They care about it now	3783.5077
3026		3785.0453	that you done moved everybody [out.]	3786.4768
3027	DCB_int_01	3786.2670	[Out.] [Mm-hm.]	3787.2276
3028	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3786.7986	[And you done put] bikes on every corner and all of that, and	3789.3445
3029		3789.6383	you done put these- ap- overgrown these streets with apartment buildings and condos and	3794.3280
3031		3794.5705	all of that.	3795.1907
3033		3795.2792	Where the parks? Where?	3796.6455
3035		3796.8122	What?	3797.1386
3036	DCB_int_01	3798.8312	Yeah,	3799.1390
3038		3799.3348	I can [only imagine] what it was like to watch over the last [/twenty/ years.]	3803.5772
3039	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3799.5120	[Where is the vision?]	3800.4819
3041		3802.3797	[You have so much open] space- The city was so pretty. The-	3805.5866
3042		3805.8524	the monuments, and	3806.9808
3044		3807.3678	you didn't have this abundance of traffic and	3809.9779
3046		3810.9385	all this overgrowth, everybody tryna make a dollar.	3813.1300
3048		3814.1279	All of those condos ain't filled up!	3816.1598
3050		3816.6680	They get	3817.0504
3052		3817.2089	kickbacks when those condo-	3818.5752
3054		3818.8269	w-	3818.9575
3056		3819.1860	Okay. So we didn't fill our condos, so they get the tax breaks?	3822.1365
3058		3822.9804	Cause can't nobody afford 'em.	3824.1135
3059	DCB_int_01	3825.4378	Yup.	3825.7316
3061		3826.7154	That's true.	3827.2796
3063		3827.7215	That's why everybody's on the	3828.9152
3065		3829.1809	[outskirts.]	3829.8617
3066	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3829.7545	[Okay], I'm'a build this building so it- but if I don't get it filled up, it's okay cause I'm'a get	3833.5268
3067		3833.7028	a tax break cause I didn't make my-	3835.4048
3069		3837.0927	There no jobs.	3838.2538
3071		3841.9923	In years to come, everything'll be contract. People ain't gonna have no place to work.	3845.2470
3073		3845.8101	If you don't have your own entrepreneurship,	3847.7172
3075		3847.9783	you gonna be out of luck.	3848.7850
3076	DCB_int_01	3849.6989	So you feel like the city's on a downward spiral?	3851.6060
3077	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3851.7994	<ts>	3851.9533
3079		3852.8592	For working people.	3854.3373
3081		3856.7014	The working people.	3857.6329
3083		3857.8101	The working poor	3858.7100
3085		3859.4887	who catch the bus in the morning, who catch the bus in the evening.	3862.2724
3087		3863.8007	I would not be able to retire in this city and live here comfortably.	3866.7803
3089		3868.7656	At the salary I make now, when it's time for me to retire, I can't live here.	3872.6358
3090	DCB_int_01	3877.2695	Wow.	3877.5820
3091	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3879.5077	You work in a community where the Safeway is /eplorable/.	3883.4234
3093		3884.8876	And we have council people, and all these people-	3887.2237
3095		3887.4324	supposed to care about the people.	3888.8592
3097		3889.4794	You go to that Safeway, it look like a prison.	3891.4658
3098	DCB_int_01	3891.8761	Mm-hm.	3892.2818
3099	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3893.2505	You won't find that in a white neighborhood.	3895.2929
3101		3896.9901	They're not having it.	3898.1092
3103		3900.8334	/Marion Barry/ said what he- w- what was really happening. They don't wanna hear that.	3904.6990
3104	DCB_int_01	3905.0114	Mm.	3905.4590
3105	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3906.5688	But he says it. They don't care about these people.	3908.7032
3107		3910.4145	Uh-uh.	3910.9741
3109		3911.4870	Fenty didn't care. Williams didn't care.	3913.1983
3111		3914.2183	And I don't think Bow-	3914.9644
3113		3915.1742	m- Bowser care either.	3916.5031
3115		3918.1445	I didn't even know who she really was.	3919.5200
3116	DCB_int_01	3920.4701	Yeah, she didn't- It wasn't a lot of people that voted.	3922.4635
3118		3922.5917	I mean it was a [very]	3923.4404
3119	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3923.2958	[I] did not [vote for- I don't know her.]	3925.4967
3120	DCB_int_01	3923.8694	[small percentage of- Mm-hm.]	3926.2789
3121	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3925.7847	[You know-]	3926.2136
3122		3926.4141	You know, people go with what they know. Even when I was tryna read about her	3929.6036
3124		3929.8647	and get a feel for who she was, I couldn't do it.	3932.8058
3126		3934.9275	I pay taxes in here.	3936.2704
3128		3937.7007	In this city.	3938.3862
3130		3940.2840	But I don't get to- I don't get to reap the benefits.	3942.5035
3131	DCB_int_01	3942.6341	/Somebody- Yeah/.	3943.2857
3132	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3944.2090	Mm-mm.	3944.6053
3134		3945.0903	At all.,	3945.5939
3135	DCB_int_01	3948.6527	/It's cause/ you live on the other side of the river.	3950.1912
3136	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3950.7685	Y- Well, you know,	3951.6218
3138		3952.2187	they expanded Capitol Hill. When I was coming up, Capitol Hill may have been four or /flive/ blocks long.	3956.6473
3140		3957.2721	Now it's all the way back to Seventeenth Street almost.	3959.6689
3142		3960.7693	What the heck?	3961.5433
3143	DCB_int_01	3962.3162	It's getting to be a big hill. /It's a little/ [mountain. Capitol Mountain.]	3965.4404
3144	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3963.9855	[Right. Right. Right. Right.] Right.	3965.7574
3145		3965.9859	It's all of that.	3966.7553
3147		3966.9092	It's [all of that.]	3967.5387
3148	DCB_int_01	3967.1190	[Mm-hm.]	3967.6179
3149		3968.0038	Just all of that going on.	3969.0763
3150	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3969.1089	I w- And- and it's not that I don't, you know- I don't- I resent	3971.6362
3152		3971.8600	white folks coming here,	3973.1890
3153	DCB_int_01	3973.2962	Right.	3973.6319
3154	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3973.7380	I don't resent that, but I just resent the fact that	3976.3166
3156		3976.7596	other people can't afford to be here.	3978.3123
3157	DCB_int_01	3979.4256	[Mm.]	3979.8126
3158	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	3979.4349	[And that's] where the anger comes in at	3981.0157
3159		3981.5472	because	3981.9389
3161		3982.1721	somehow	3983.0300
3163		3984.8206	Seven Elevens are coming back.	3986.5540
3165		3987.5705	They took all the Seven Elevens out.	3989.3051
3167		3990.1351	But we don't /know/.	3990.8206
3169		3993.6032	All the taxi cab- These were jobs that	3995.7901
3171		3996.2191	people's parents had even after they did they work.	3998.9737
3173		3999.4120	They worked at the post office.	4000.7782
3175		4001.1233	Then, they w- drove the cab at night.	4003.2029
3176	DCB_int_01	4003.8919	Mm.	4004.3582
3177	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4005.4120	That's what they did.	4006.1254
3179		4008.8066	That's what they did /about home/.	4010.1437
3181		4010.5447	They cost maybe seventeen /dollars/ an hour.	4012.5311
3182	DCB_int_01	4014.8801	And [both] parents were doing-	4015.9992
3183	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4014.9978	/The h-/	4015.2682
3184		4016.1157	And both parents were working. The neighborhood that I moved in on T Place, the house that I sold in April,	4020.3450
3186		4020.8754	the- my neighbors said when they bought their house they paid seventeen thousand dollars for it. I think the o-	4024.8482
3188		4025.0720	the-	4025.2818
3190		4025.4077	the highest one who paid for one, paid twenty seven thousand	4028.5400
3192		4029.1742	for it.	4029.4260
3193	DCB_int_01	4032.2509	You can barely rent an apartment for a-	4034.1997
3194	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4034.4841	[Exactly.]	4035.2721
3195	DCB_int_01	4034.5354	[a- a year] or two for that [much.]	4036.5544
3196	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4036.1161	[Exactly.]	4036.9368
3197		4037.4031	Exactly.	4038.0839
3199		4040.0085	Exactly.	4040.6473
3200	DCB_int_01	4042.2047	So what do you think is gonna be-	4043.5989
3202		4043.9253	How do you think this is gonna look in ten years?	4045.8546
3203	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4046.1017	It won't.	4046.4002
3205		4046.6939	We- They gonna have it so you have to pay a tax- You gonna have to pay a toll to get here-	4050.3077
3207		4050.4895	in here.	4050.9185
3209		4051.5842	<laugh>	4051.9479
3211		4052.8012	You gonna pay a toll to get in.	4054.1581
3213		4055.8694	And then they gonna-	4056.6014
3215		4056.8579	It's no longer- It's- You- You gonna have- be able- It won't be taxation without representation	4061.0001
3217		4061.4870	because see, then, it's gonna impact them.	4063.0537
3218	DCB_int_01	4064.3349	Mm.	4064.7779
3219	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4065.0716	And they make the changes.	4066.2840
3221		4068.5921	Eleanor Holmes Norton been fighting about it for twent- two decades, and we ain't got	4072.0089
3222	DCB_int_01	4072.0042	Nothing yet.	4072.6710
3223	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4072.6990	nothing yet.	4073.4031
3225		4076.7685	It's sad but it's true.	4077.7477
3226	DCB_int_01	4077.7337	It's true.	4078.2280
3227		4078.9787	And I think you can see that. Like, I just [remember coming here seventeen years ago-]	4082.4608
3228	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4080.4895	[I don't like the school system. I don't like] all these chartered schools.	4084.0928
3229		4084.3866	I don't like that kids can't walk to school.	4086.5315
3231		4086.8719	I don't like the-	4087.6366
3233		4088.0131	the fact that the crime is so high.	4089.8876
3235		4090.1581	I don't like that the drugs are still coming.	4092.3590
3237		4092.9278	We don't have no-	4093.5853
3239		4093.7240	no airplanes and no boats,	4095.4633
3241		4095.6498	ships.	4096.0741
3243		4096.2886	How do drugs get here?	4097.2865
3245		4099.4862	These- Our black children are starting to be missing every day.	4102.4938
3247		4102.8202	Something's wrong.	4103.8600
3248	DCB_int_01	4103.9719	Yeah.	4104.3543
3249	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4105.2811	People- Our black kids are getting killed	4107.1742
3251		4107.9343	by police officers.	4109.3238
3253		4110.4569	Something [wrong.]	4111.4641
3254	DCB_int_01	4111.1097	[Way too] frequently.	4112.1903
3255	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4112.4561	Too frequent.	4113.0203
3256	DCB_int_01	4113.2022	Way too frequently.	4114.4239
3258		4116.6994	/Yeah/.	4116.9838
3259	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4116.9698	And then they wanna know why we angry.	4118.2276
3260		4119.0483	W- w- They didn't give us our forty acres and a mule.	4121.3005
3262		4122.5455	And then,	4123.1283
3264		4123.7940	they pushed slavery aside, but we got to keep on the /Holocaust/. Keep it right in our forefront.	4128.2704
3266		4128.8579	But that's okay.	4129.5294
3267	DCB_int_01	4129.7408	[/Oof/.]	4130.0065
3268	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4129.8779	[But if] we talk about slavery	4131.2908
3269		4131.8550	and the pain	4132.6850
3271		4133.1606	that our forefather- our fathers went through?	4135.0584
3273		4135.6168	We're not supposed to. Get over it.	4137.1229
3274	DCB_int_01	4137.1136	Mm.	4137.6032
3275	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4137.8223	But they can talk about the Holocaust whenever they feel like.	4140.0326
3277		4141.7287	Whenever they wanna make a movie about it,	4143.4913
3279		4143.8830	whenever they wanna have a museum about it,	4145.9160
3281		4146.3310	whenever they wanna do whatever.	4147.6086
3283		4148.6659	Hm.	4148.9923
3285		4150.8109	Hm.	4151.0673
3287		4154.6240	Hm.	4154.8431
3289		4155.2535	Yeah.	4155.5239
3290	DCB_int_01	4156.5125	But this will always be your city.	4157.8274
3291	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4158.2237	It will always be my city (whispering).	4159.4128
3292	DCB_int_01	4160.8991	It'll always-	4161.6032
3293	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4161.6032	The fact that I think about leaving DC really scares me.	4165.2717
3294		4166.4515	Every time- when I first thought I had, you know, I said, I'm not gonna be able to afford to live here.	4170.0885
3296		4170.9418	It just scares me. Because see, DC was built for you to be able to use public transportation.	4175.0627
3298		4175.5523	There was places for seniors- people to liv- You know, they could get around.	4178.9177
3300		4179.9482	That's not the same out in Maryland.	4181.5150
3301	DCB_int_01	4182.3683	Mm-mm.	4182.8719
3302	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4183.4489	[Mm-mm.]	4183.9432
3303	DCB_int_01	4183.4489	[Mm-mm.]	4183.9432
3304		4184.6473	[/It's not/.]	4185.1089
3305	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4184.6520	[The services.] You know we had good social services and stuff for people to use,	4188.9791
3306		4189.2717	to access and everything like that. That's-	4191.2954
3308		4192.6803	Mm-mm.	4193.1000
3309	DCB_int_01	4193.6362	That's what someone else telling me about, her experience when she was really trying to get	4197.2581
3311		4197.3747	back on her feet. I think she had to leave home or something and	4199.6782
3313		4200.1165	her mom	4201.0024
3315		4201.2636	um,	4201.6867
3317		4202.0644	wanted to move to Maryland. She said she had to get back to DC cause they had so many more	4205.5803
3318	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4205.9393	It [does.]	4206.4429
3319	DCB_int_01	4206.1911	[services] [that she] could use.	4208.2323
3320	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4206.9127	[It does.]	4207.3650
3321		4208.4515	[Mm-hm.]	4208.9131
3322	DCB_int_01	4208.5354	[And she was] just [across the]	4209.5892
3323	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4209.0949	[And peop-]	4209.5239
3324		4209.6964	[Mm-hm.]	4210.1254
3325	DCB_int_01	4209.6964	[border.]	4210.1394
3326	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4211.0300	Mm-hm.	4211.3704
3328		4211.7341	Mm-hm.	4212.0839
3330		4212.6108	That's why they call the border	4213.6926
3332		4213.9059	Ward Nine.	4214.6613
3333	DCB_int_01	4215.0483	Mm-hm.	4215.5426
3334	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4215.7058	DC has eight wards,	4217.0394
3336		4217.6595	four quadrants,	4218.6667
3338		4219.1971	and on the outskirts of s-	4220.9784
3340		4221.2908	uh- o- of- the-	4222.0835
3342		4222.2653	East of the river is Ward Nine.	4223.8507
3343	DCB_int_01	4225.1412	Mm-hm.	4225.9992
3345		4226.8431	Cause that's where a [lot of-]	4227.9436
3346	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4227.4400	[You know one time] they tried to make um,	4230.7879
3347		4231.8126	Georgetown	4232.7032
3349		4234.1534	part of Montgomery County.	4235.2259
3351		4235.4031	Did you know that?	4236.0186
3352	DCB_int_01	4236.1491	I didn't.	4236.6900
3353	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4237.3463	Oh.	4237.6075
3355		4237.8266	There was a time that ha-	4238.7685
3357		4239.2954	That was there.	4239.8596
3359		4240.1068	Mm-hm.	4240.4798
3361		4240.9508	And Marion Barry was like, wow.	4242.3730
3363		4244.4141	They wanted to make that	4245.1089
3365		4245.4726	part of Montgomery County.	4246.5591
3366	DCB_int_01	4246.5125	So come in on [the other side, as you come off of- Mm-hm.]	4249.4547
3367	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4247.2399	[Like /Unintelligible/ Boulevard] and over [that way. /Unintelligible/. Oh yeah yeah] yeah yeah yeah.	4252.5984
3368	DCB_int_01	4250.0571	[Reservoir, so as you come /unintelligible/, um, <ts>]	4252.0482
3370		4252.5331	Clara Barton Parkway?	4253.7268
3371	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4253.7828	Mm-hm.	4254.2537
3372	DCB_int_01	4255.8939	I'm not surprised by that though.	4257.3114
3373	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4257.4513	Mm-hm. And w- And	4258.4725
3375		4258.8035	how did they consume all of Georgia up? That's where the slaves came in- They lived over there.	4262.9197
3377		4264.5331	That ch-	4264.7756
3379		4264.9528	That black church over there on P Street	4266.8645
3381		4267.3763	corner,	4267.8006
3382	DCB_int_01	4268.8545	Mm-hm.	4269.3814
3383	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4269.4466	they [wanna-]	4269.8243
3384	DCB_int_01	4269.7124	[I can't] think of the intersection [but I know where you're] talking [about.]	4271.8760
3385	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4270.9761	[Mm-hm.]	4271.4330
3387		4271.7734	[They] wanted that church gone.	4273.1350
3388		4275.0736	They wanted it gone.	4275.9829
3389	DCB_int_01	4278.3843	Mm.	4278.7713
3390	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4279.5582	They have still- /sprinkle/- a few black people who still live over there.	4282.2160
3391	DCB_int_01	4282.5844	It's /sprinkley/. It's very-	4284.0812
3392	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4284.1371	[/Sprinkling/. They don't-] Move- Bought 'em out.	4286.0944
3393	DCB_int_01	4284.5661	[It's ch-]	4285.0359
3395		4285.3064	[It ain't much.] [Yeah. Mm-mm.]	4287.1482
3396	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4286.2716	[Yeah.]	4286.6726
3397		4287.3814	Mm-hm.	4287.8103
3399		4288.8129	Metropolitan AME Baptist Church downtown, they try to	4292.1457
3401		4292.4115	get 'em out.	4292.8824
3402	DCB_int_01	4294.6730	But didn't they just-	4295.3678
3404		4296.0206	rebuild-	4296.7153
3406		4296.8459	Aren't [they] [rebuilding?]	4297.7913
3407	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4296.9893	[Not-]	4297.2084
3409		4297.5349	[Not-]	4297.8193
3410		4298.1737	Me- Metropolitan /Beechum Hicks/ on Fifteenth and	4300.8082
3412		4300.9901	um, Vermont, not that one.	4302.4495
3414		4302.9158	Metropolitan AME downtown-	4304.7845
3416		4304.9011	All the way downtown.	4306.3000
3417	DCB_int_01	4307.1952	Okay, further in. Like, deep deep in.	4309.2096
3418	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4309.2283	Off of- Off- Down there, off of um-	4311.4886
3420		4313.7175	It's not far from Brooks Brothers.	4316.2996
3422		4316.8778	It's over [that /way/.]	4317.7078
3423	DCB_int_01	4317.1389	[Oh, oh], oh, oh, oh [okay.]	4318.5284
3424	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4318.2953	[It sits] in the middle of the street.	4319.5403
3425	DCB_int_01	4319.9739	Okay.	4320.4169
3427		4320.5102	[Okay. Okay. I was-] I was up. I was [too far up.]	4323.0456
3428	DCB_se2_ag4_f_01	4320.7748	[It's a black church.]	4321.4742
3430		4322.3835	[Yeah, it's a black] church.	4323.4093
3431		4324.3186	Mm-hm.	4324.8455