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1	DCB_int_01	0.2901	Um, birthday.	1.1248
2	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1.7636	Five six	3.0599
4		3.2510	fifty-six.	4.1277
5	DCB_int_01	4.1556	Mm.	4.3795
7		5.2141	I just wanted it to be kind of like,	6.3181
9		6.4253	sixty seven.	6.9942
10	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	7.2320	[<laugh>]	7.7729
11	DCB_int_01	7.3812	[Sorry.]	7.7496
12		7.9175	Or seventy eight.	8.5889
14		8.7428	But then [you- Oh. <laugh>]	11.0929
15	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	9.0132	[Me too. <laugh>]	11.7457
16	DCB_int_01	11.3773	[Um],	11.7550
17		12.2353	and	13.0500
19		13.2460	hometown?	13.8522
20	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	14.0107	<ts>	14.1692
22		14.4304	Washington, DC.	15.3629
23	DCB_int_01	15.5215	Which neighborhood?	16.1556
24	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	16.8038	Um,	17.4752
26		17.6851	<ts>	17.8576
28		17.9602	I would say-	19.0035
30		19.1714	I'm not real sure what it's called.	20.4210
32		20.7754	I'm- I'm near Howard University.	22.6546
34		23.4799	Columbia Heights	24.4078
36		24.5699	is probably close.	25.8522
37	DCB_int_01	26.1413	Mkay.	26.4817
39		27.8432	Um, and you've lived here	29.3120
41		29.6384	pretty much all your life?	30.4684
42	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	30.5186	Yes I have.	31.4045
43	DCB_int_01	32.0713	Have you lived other places even for short amount of time?	34.1976
44	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	34.5287	Um, the farthest I've gone is Silver Spring, Maryland, which is where I reside right now.	38.1459
45	DCB_int_01	39.0832	So you are like,	39.8619
46	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	40.1044	[I am true native.]	41.2887
47	DCB_int_01	40.1836	[DC. DC.] [Okay], [so]	42.4405
48	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	41.3913	[Yes.]	41.9136
50		42.1607	[<laugh>]	42.7296
51	DCB_int_01	42.8263	Where'd you go to school?	43.5677
52	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	44.1319	I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ [Elementary.]	46.2815
53	DCB_int_01	46.1370	[Mm-hm.]	46.5613
54	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	46.7012	From there, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-7/.	49.5164
55	DCB_int_01	49.5491	Mm-hm.	50.0807
56	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	50.3744	Um, and then I went to a couple of universities and finally ended up at the /RD-SCHOOL-8/,	56.1972
57	DCB_int_01	56.1972	Okay.	56.5656
58	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	56.5516	which is where I got my degree.	58.0158
59	DCB_int_01	59.4193	Um,	59.9835
61		60.1689	and what do you currently do? What's your occupation?	62.5423
62	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	62.9666	I am the Director of Special Events for /RD-WORK-10/.	67.5444
63	DCB_int_01	70.1929	Um, about your parents. Is your- Was your father born here?	72.9196
64	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	73.3626	My dad was born here- in DC, yes.	75.5495
65	DCB_int_01	75.7593	And what about mama?	76.6965
66	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	77.0323	Mom was born in Spotsylvania County, Virginia.	80.2112
68		81.0692	Um, she migrated to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, which is where she grew up,	85.1760
70		85.4465	and then	86.0667
72		86.7288	moved to DC.	87.4469
73	DCB_int_01	87.6707	Moved to DC. And what about your parents? What did they do for a living?	90.7144
74	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	91.0735	My father was a um, letter carrier for the [U-] U- USPS	95.4613
75	DCB_int_01	93.9085	[Mm.]	94.1556
76	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	95.8902	and my mom was a homemaker.	97.0828
77	DCB_int_01	99.4003	Perfect.	100.0204
79		100.6079	That's all the stuff I have to-	101.6478
81		101.8389	to write [down, and now we] get into the-	103.6237
82	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	102.2388	[Okay.]	102.7284
83	DCB_int_01	104.0527	the actual	104.7801
85		105.0552	good pieces. So,	105.9085
87		106.1836	tell me a little bit about- I know we were talking briefly about	109.5025
89		110.2159	your neighborhood	111.3676
91		111.7966	um- Was that last week? [When we set] this up.	113.9136
92	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	113.0416	[Mm-hm.]	113.4193
93	DCB_int_01	114.1374	So tell me a little bit about	115.5910
95		115.8382	what you remember about your [house],	117.3863
96	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	117.2744	[Mm-hm.]	117.6987
97	DCB_int_01	117.7593	um, your neighborhood. Growing up there, were there a lot of other [kids? Your family?]	121.4092
98	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	120.6072	[Mm-hm.]	121.0268
99		121.7496	Okay.	122.0387
101		122.9666	I grew up	123.9411
103		124.0344	um, on Lamont Street in Northwest DC,	126.4311
104	DCB_int_01	126.3973	Mm-hm.	126.7237
105	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	127.0641	and we lived in a row house. Um,	130.2396
107		130.3981	the- Lamont Street was- was nothing but row houses.	132.9243
109		133.4139	There were six of us. [Actually],	135.2417
110	DCB_int_01	134.9526	[/Huh./]	135.1438
111	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	135.6567	well there's six- six kids.	137.1675
113		137.6431	Um,	138.1001
115		138.2295	and my oldest sister, who is eighteen years older than me, had already moved out, and	142.3282
117		142.5567	she had gotten married.	143.5125
119		144.2213	Um, we had a three bedroom house.	146.3640
120	DCB_int_01	146.2960	Hm.	146.5371
121	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	146.8920	Um,	147.4096
123		148.5147	two baths. Really one that was really-	150.9849
125		151.1527	that we	151.5910
127		151.8848	all used, but we- The five kids of us and our parents lived in this	154.9437
129		155.0556	row house.	155.5359
131		155.9835	And it never seemed like it was cramped for space or anything. It f- seemed like more than enough space for all of us.	160.3795
133		160.9157	Um, the neighborhood was primarily families	164.2019
135		164.4910	of the same income level.	166.5333
137		166.9810	Um,	167.4659
139		167.7224	all African Americans.	169.0500
141		169.2413	We may have had	170.3045
143		170.9200	one Caucasian family,	172.4960
145		172.8178	or at least one parent was Caucasian, but for the most part, it was African American.	176.8594
147		177.5401	Um,	178.1277
149		178.5147	lots	179.0556
151		179.3167	of kids my age,	180.7342
153		181.2880	um,	181.8335
155		182.0573	and lots of-	183.2231
157		183.3117	lots of	183.9785
159		184.4074	teens that were my siblings' ages. I'm the youngest of the [six.]	187.5444
160	DCB_int_01	187.3439	[I was] just going to ask. Okay.	188.3278
161	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	188.2858	Yes.	188.6728
162		188.7894	And um,	189.7873
164		190.3561	so it was one of those neighborhoods where you felt safe to go out.	194.0480
166		194.1786	Um, we would play	195.5028
168		195.6147	until the street lights came on, and then you- you- you know, you knew it was time to- to make [your way in.]	199.7729
169	DCB_int_01	199.2973	[/Go in./] Mm-hm.	200.1786
170	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	200.4257	Um,	200.9480
172		201.3396	and	202.0204
174		203.1675	it was-	204.0441
176		204.4020	I mean-	204.9336
178		205.0641	Y- you know- cor- We had a corner store. We would spend time up on the corner of Georgia Avenue and Lamont Street.	210.3332
180		210.9849	And um,	211.9921
182		212.2112	i-	212.4071
184		212.5516	When I got through high school it was still kind of that way.	214.9577
186		215.4286	Um, but as I got to-	216.5757
188		216.9243	to the end of high school, the neighborhood started to change.	219.4749
190		220.1370	Um, the ne- and-	220.7805
192		220.8877	Soon people- A lot of the families, or the	223.1061
194		223.5211	folks that lived there either passed away,	225.8292
195	DCB_int_01	225.9365	Mm.	226.2116
196	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	226.3095	um-	226.7525
198		227.0789	<ts>	227.2654
200		227.3447	uh- whi- which was the case for most- most of the um, s-	230.1133
202		230.4630	incident- situation.	231.6008
204		232.1044	Um, and	233.2607
206		233.3773	r-	233.4939
208		233.8063	we found that there were a lot more families that were moving in that were renting the homes.	238.0297
209	DCB_int_01	238.1556	Mm, mm-hm.	238.7851
210	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	238.7991	And unfortunately, I think that contributed to sort of the	242.8407
212		243.3909	um, neighborhood	244.2676
214		244.3515	not being taken care of and- and not	247.1434
216		248.0527	groomed and yards weren't done like they used to be when I was growing up.	251.7364
218		252.2866	Um,	252.7762
220		253.1621	a lot more-	254.0760
222		254.3185	The other thing about my neighborhood is	256.2302
224		256.5427	right behind our house,	258.4160
226		258.8357	you know, there was an alley.	259.9501
228		260.4677	And on the-	260.9853
230		261.1158	the other side of the alley were- was public housing.	263.5825
231	DCB_int_01	263.9928	Mm-hm.	264.2819
232	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	264.2481	So we had public housing like two blocks	267.0086
233		267.2044	away from our street.	268.1790
235		268.8224	Um,	269.3214
237		269.8343	and a lot- I had friends in public housing, so I'm in no way saying that that was, you know,	273.8153
239		274.1883	anything negative.	275.0463
241		275.4473	But I just wanna kind of give you the gist of- of- of what the neighborhood	278.3767
243		278.7568	started to look like,	280.0391
245		280.2489	and	280.8644
247		281.3354	um-	281.8623
249		282.2994	You started to see a decline,	284.1040
251		284.4630	like I said- Oh,	285.3163
253		285.5308	the big- the big /turner/-	286.8924
255		287.0789	The big um, neighborhood changer was	289.2087
257		289.5071	the riots of	290.6309
259		291.0039	sixty	291.7360
261		292.6499	seven? Sixty eight?	293.7579
262	DCB_int_01	293.7457	Mm-hm. I was gonna ask you about those but [tell me how] that [f- Mm-hm.]	296.4583
263	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	295.2600	[Yeah.]	295.5491
265		295.8335	[Okay, so]	296.7661
266		296.8780	that happened-	297.8386
268		298.1183	Well I've already told you how old I am, so that happened when I was in the sixth grade.	301.6097
270		302.2439	And	302.9526
272		303.6987	I mean, you can look at me because nobody on this s- s- s-	305.9089
274		306.1933	um,	306.5850
276		307.0735	tape recorder can see, but	308.5469
278		308.8407	I'm very fair complected.	310.2302
279	DCB_int_01	310.2769	Mm-hm.	310.6546
280	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	310.8877	Everyone in my house- We are a rainbow of colors, but everybody that- All of my siblings, my parents, and all,	316.5846
282		317.0696	visibly African American. There was always a big question because of my fair complexion.	321.2324
284		321.9878	And um,	323.2095
286		323.3214	none of my friends ever	324.9476
288		325.2693	made that known to- I mean, it was never an issue with any of my friendships or my family.	329.4379
290		329.6711	I was just	330.1793
292		330.3461	/RD-NAME-2/,	330.7098
294		330.8357	just	331.0735
296		331.5164	[you know],	331.7822
297	DCB_int_01	331.5164	[Mm-hm.]	331.8102
298	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	331.8941	on Lamont Street.	332.5330
300		333.2464	And um,	334.3188
302		334.5520	when the riots happened,	336.0954
304		337.0082	you know, there was a change, not only	338.9946
306		339.5495	physically in the neighborhood because right at the corner store that we used to go to, there was looting. I mean	344.1832
308		344.5423	people would- the- the- Georgia Avenue was just- All of the little neighborhood stores were destroyed.	348.8648
310		349.2833	People were, you know, throwing rocks. You could see people running and looting the-	353.0043
312		353.4100	the stores. It was pretty sad.	354.5244
314		354.7517	Actually,	355.2273
316		355.5118	for me, at that age, it was kind of exciting because I had never [seen anything like this before],	359.9648
317	DCB_int_01	358.6126	[/Seen that- <laugh>/]	359.9648
318	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	360.3239	and didn't even really truly understand why it was going on.	362.8827
320		363.2604	But as I look back on that,	364.6546
322		364.8038	I- it was really a sad-	366.0115
324		366.1141	it was really a sad	366.9301
326		367.1108	state of affairs cause the neighborhood was never the same after that.	369.4749
328		370.0764	Um, but growing up	371.4193
330		371.6198	during that era,	372.7389
332		373.2040	I struggled a lot with	374.9340
334		375.1158	identity.	375.8432
336		376.3375	You know, just trying to make sure that people knew-	379.0500
338		379.6237	look, I'm an African American. We didn't even say African American /black/ then- I wa- back then.	383.3727
340		383.6897	I'm black.	384.3612
341	DCB_int_01	384.4859	Mm-hm.	384.7750
342	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	384.7377	You know, don- don't-	385.8522
343		386.3931	And- and there was a heightened,	387.8059
345		387.9505	you know, awareness of- of race and	390.5699
347		390.9709	you know, all of that that came with the- the assassination of- of Doctor Martin Luther King.	394.8784
349		395.5592	And um,	396.5605
351		396.7004	I- I	397.2320
353		397.9175	used to- I s- From my preteens up and probably til	400.7618
355		401.2001	my first years in high school was really difficult	403.4045
357		403.9128	because I found that	405.4749
359		405.5635	people who didn't know me treated me very differently. They assumed	408.9068
361		409.3019	I was,	409.9221
363		410.0294	you know, from some	411.1811
365		411.6381	more affluent neighborhood or	413.5918
367		414.0581	um,	414.5151
369		414.6025	that I walked around thinking that I was quote unquote white.	418.0624
371		418.5520	Um,	419.0416
373		419.2141	and	419.7410
375		419.9509	luckily I had a f- stable home. I had great friends.	422.8640
377		423.3443	<clears throat> But during that time, it was just-	425.0463
379		425.6011	It was really	426.3367
381		426.4673	hard for me t-	427.5631
383		427.9454	just to kind of	429.0179
385		429.6008	um,	430.1556
387		431.1535	be comfortable in my own skin.	432.6445
389		433.5025	So um,	434.2252
391		434.3651	anyway. So- so,	435.5681
393		436.7945	backing up to the riots. Um, after all of that was over, and the neighborhoods were pretty much torn up,	441.8246
395		442.3375	um,	442.8597
397		443.6291	our neighborhood just went downhill.	445.1714
399		445.6004	You know, there was- there was no more pride. There was no more sense of community.	449.2281
401		449.8436	Um,	450.3938
403		450.6911	by that time, more people had started moving in that weren't really	453.9505
405		454.3282	taking care of their homes, and the neighborhood just started to go down.	456.8601
407		457.3066	I- n- n- You kn- And	458.4304
409		458.8314	I found also that we didn't	460.5520
411		461.1675	walk the neighborhood like we [used to.]	463.0082
412	DCB_int_01	462.4300	[/Used to./ Mm-hm.]	463.2040
413	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	463.2087	You know what I mean? The corner store was gone.	464.9853
415		465.2790	We wouldn't-	465.7220
417		465.8059	We were very afraid to go up on our-	467.6151
419		467.8063	on Georgia and Lamont Street anymore because it was-	470.4304
421		470.9666	You know, it was unsafe.	471.8246
423		472.2396	[And then-]	472.6825
424	DCB_int_01	472.2909	[Did the drugs] come in at that point?	473.8855
425	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	473.9229	The drugs came in at that point,	475.5118
427		475.5957	yes.	476.0154
429		476.2625	And um,	477.2790
431		477.3816	a lot of people that I grew up with unfortunately,	480.1047
433		480.7284	um, kind of fell into that.	482.2159
435		482.6868	Um, people who are my age now are still-	484.8644
437		485.1022	I know- I've know a couple that are still struggling-	487.0175
439		487.1807	struggling. Never were able to kind of recover.	489.2977
441		489.9691	But	490.2442
443		490.3935	um,	490.8504
445		491.4939	I lot of	492.1654
447		492.2866	um,	492.7575
449		493.2786	younger people- We used to have	494.6589
451		494.7941	older guys-	495.7500
453		495.8852	And I'll even include my dad on this.	497.6571
455		498.1514	When my dad retired, there used to be a group of	500.4967
457		500.9853	um,	501.4422
459		501.7686	<ts>	501.9085
461		502.0810	men on the block, fathers	503.6944
463		504.0628	that used to hang up-	504.9347
465		505.1201	Just- just	505.6517
467		505.8382	hang up the street. You know, there- there used to be a little	508.0531
469		508.5333	um-	509.0463
471		509.4379	There used to be a crab house <laugh>	511.2880
473		511.7030	arou- You know, on another corner, and it seemed to be sort of the hang out for all the dads.	516.2679
475		516.7704	In fact, my dad ended up forming-	518.6822
477		518.9713	Well, I'll tell you about that later.	520.0297
479		520.1417	[But um-]	520.6779
480	DCB_int_01	520.1417	[<laugh>]	520.6779
481	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	520.8271	talking about the crab house.	521.6664
483		522.1001	So um,	522.9114
485		524.3511	um,	524.8407
487		525.7919	it then began where my	527.6851
489		528.1840	dad would go up to the corner, and we'd worry	530.0760
491		530.2299	because these young kids were coming from	532.3748
493		532.7152	wherever. Either they were in public- From the public housing	535.5957
495		535.8801	or the surrounding neighborhoods- It just brought-	537.9971
497		538.5147	It just brought a whole different dynamic	540.7482
498	DCB_int_01	540.8776	[/To/-]	541.0641
499	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	541.1341	to the community.	541.9827
501		542.5003	And um, so my dad used to- You know, it just- i-	545.2328
503		545.7131	There weren't the little groups of- of guys, men, fathers, who used to hang up at the crab house. It kind of	550.7991
505		551.2514	dwindled. You know, it was just- it was just really sad how	553.7403
507		554.2905	all of that um-	555.3350
509		556.0950	all of that changed. Even thinking about it now, it truly is sad because then my dad	559.8568
511		560.4723	you know, didn't go out as much. He stayed home more. He wasn't really an	563.4892
513		563.8296	outgoing kind of guy anyways, and that was sort of his	566.5936
515		567.1811	one recreational	568.8131
517		568.9810	thing that he enjoyed.	569.9415
519		570.5745	Um,	571.0268
521		572.7661	I- I feel like I'm blabbering- blab-	574.5846
523		574.6872	You [know],	574.9950
524	DCB_int_01	574.8504	[No], I [love it.]	575.6711
525	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	575.3680	[stumbling] all over.	576.1001
526		576.5326	Um, one thing that I do remember also, if I can back up about my neighborhood,	580.3701
528		580.9390	my da- So, there were six of us, or five girls and one boy.	584.3278
529	DCB_int_01	584.5563	[Ooh.]	585.0505
530	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	584.5982	[Um, me] being the youngest.	585.8386
531		586.3888	So, I mentioned that my oldest sister,	588.4684
533		588.8077	who's /like/ eighteen years older than me, had already	590.9013
535		590.9853	gone to college, graduated. She married. Her husband was in the military so they traveled a lot.	594.7622
537		595.4185	So it was the five of us at home, and my dad	598.0857
539		598.7152	used to	599.7364
541		600.3006	um,	600.8135
543		601.1248	with the young men in the- in the	602.8920
545		603.1065	public housing,	603.9225
547		604.3375	who came from single	605.4846
549		605.6291	family	606.1887
551		606.8636	h- um, households. Most of them had just moms	609.2324
552	DCB_int_01	609.2977	Mm-hm.	609.6334
553	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	609.6987	uh, in the home.	610.4308
555		610.8597	He formed	611.5965
557		611.6804	baseball leagues.	612.6130
559		613.0502	So,	613.6563
561		613.8615	even before	614.8967
563		615.4749	you know, any organized- I don't know how long Little League has been around, but he used to- There was soft ball.	619.6796
565		619.9128	So he would have	621.0459
567		621.5868	um-	622.0624
569		622.3002	He would take the guys from the public housing-	624.7762
571		625.3253	Um, some of my sisters used to even play. I didn't. I was- I was always	628.6825
573		628.9437	[too]-	629.2561
574	DCB_int_01	628.9483	[You were] very girly girl.	630.0814
575	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	630.4591	I was, [and] there was such a huge age gap that they always thought I was too young and	634.2582
576	DCB_int_01	630.9336	[Mm.]	631.1434
577	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	634.3468	you know, all of that.	635.0323
579		635.5825	Um, so, um,	637.0000
581		637.3113	he would	638.1180
583		638.5609	form these leagues, and-	640.3095
585		640.5846	and the guys would play baseball. And they actually had something to do	643.9967
586	DCB_int_01	644.1553	[Mm.]	644.5609
587	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	644.3558	[after] school and not just hang out in the street.	646.4681
588		646.7945	And he did this for years and years and years.	648.5197
590		648.8450	And then he did one with adult guys, like by the- when- th-	651.6194
592		651.7733	By the time my	652.4634
594		652.6173	um,	652.9437
596		653.7643	my brother was like, in his twenties or whatever,	655.8755
598		656.4164	um,	656.8407
600		657.4469	he formed the crab house	658.7338
602		659.4426	team.	659.8063
604		660.1527	Right? You know the- the crab house sponsored their uniforms, sponsored the team.	663.3130
606		663.6628	That's how the crab house got in there.	664.9031
608		665.3367	Um,	665.7517
610		665.9476	and so um, he did a lot in the community for these young men. In fact, when he	670.6047
612		671.2295	um,	671.7051
614		672.0175	got older-	672.8429
616		672.9688	when he was older, these men, who had grown up into adults,	676.1850
618		676.6979	honored him.	677.2528
620		677.5839	They all came together and gave him this-	679.6530
622		679.9188	rented a hall,	680.9353
624		681.2431	invited, you know, all the guys and you know, our family,	684.5724
626		685.0900	and-	685.5190
628		685.9561	very nice little dinner, reception,	688.3435
630		688.6093	and honored him	689.5466
632		690.0968	for changing their life. I'm getting ready to cry- <laugh>	692.7488
634		693.0566	for really having a positive impact,	694.9963
636		695.3974	and a lot- all of them said, were it not for him,	698.0401
638		698.6183	they-	698.8561
640		699.0333	God only knows [where they would have ended] up. So	700.9264
641	DCB_int_01	699.7280	[Wow.]	700.3575
642	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	701.1222	I had to share that story about my dad.	702.4139
644		702.8568	Um,	703.2998
646		703.6717	so that was- You know, again, that was kind of the neighborhood that we lived in.	707.1875
648		707.6072	Um, my dad was a really um,	710.1800
650		711.0146	family oriented kind of guy. He was um-	714.3299
652		714.6890	I still believe my father in-	716.1240
654		716.5064	invented Jeopardy, before Jeopardy even [happened. He used] to have-	719.8310
655	DCB_int_01	718.6886	[<laugh>]	719.1968
656	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	720.2833	He used to go through encyclopedias.	722.2312
658		722.7022	He used [to go through]-	723.7607
659	DCB_int_01	723.1545	[Before Google.]	724.0544
660		724.3249	[<laugh>]	726.9361
661	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	724.5720	[Before Google. Yeah- Wh- Like, what was that, right?]	726.7636
662		727.1320	And then he used to- I used to have Doctor Seuss books, so he would go through Doctor Seuss books. And we'd have family night.	732.3672
664		732.8429	And we would divide ourselves into teams,	734.9855
666		735.2990	um, and he would have on a little piece of paper in a cigar box,	738.8522
668		739.2718	um-	739.6122
670		739.8769	You know, the categories would be sports, you know,	742.3249
672		742.7725	um,	743.0849
674		743.8124	latest news- And then I had a /RD-NAME-2/ box, which was	746.9167
676		747.3317	all Doctor Seuss stuff or anything he had g-	749.3227
678		749.5745	he knew that I would know answers to.	751.1273
680		751.6670	And so we would have-	752.6416
682		752.7675	And we had a chance to just kind of pick out of the cigar [box],	755.5512
683	DCB_int_01	755.4160	[Mm-hm.]	755.8730
684	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	755.9243	and he'd read the question, and we'd have to get the answer. We got points for whoever got the most.	760.0218
686		760.4788	And um, that was family quiz night.	762.2600
688		762.3672	And so that was-	763.3138
690		763.4863	<sigh> That was awesome.	764.5530
692		765.0286	Um,	765.5602
694		766.1057	and so, you know, life went on. And like I said, our neighborhood changed-	769.9293
696		770.2965	sort of changed the dynamic of how we-	772.3762
698		772.7539	Once we all	773.5139
700		773.6538	grew up and moved out of the household-	775.5143
702		775.9888	Um, I was one of the last	777.5508
704		777.6861	um, because I just wasn't sure what I was gonna do after high school. I went to	781.2718
706		781.6391	/RD-SCHOOL-9/.	782.7768
708		783.0426	I graduated valedictorian in my class.	785.0430
710		785.2948	I went to the /RD-SCHOOL-9/,	787.0387
712		787.5889	um, was totally	789.1825
714		789.3783	just like- I didn't-	790.0871
716		790.2503	o- o-	790.4694
718		790.6839	out of	791.0849
720		791.4113	sorts. I didn't even know	792.4512
722		792.7216	the p- It was so huge. I had gone to a very small Catholic private high school.	796.2483
724		796.8471	And um,	797.9802
726		799.1926	couldn't make it.	799.8081
728		800.1193	Or didn't make it. Just didn't want- I was too insecure.	802.5720
730		803.0849	Um,	803.5093
732		803.7191	left there, ended up going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ for a semester.	806.9699
734		807.4949	Um, and this was all because of my older si- My parents never went to college. They both finished high school.	812.2592
736		812.8141	Um, my oldest sister and myself are the only	815.3274
738		815.5885	two that actually finished	816.6890
740		816.8102	h- um, college	817.8827
741	DCB_int_01	817.8582	Mm-hm.	818.2033
742	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	818.3525	out of-	818.8841
744		818.9773	out of the six.	819.8260
746		820.2783	And um,	821.3740
748		821.8217	she was determined that I was going to go to college and finish.	824.2499
750		824.7022	And	825.2804
752		825.3923	so, she kept pushing me and pushing me, and I just- You know, it was easier to	829.4677
754		830.0727	work	830.5297
756		830.6509	um- I was doing retail, and I thought I was gonna be a model. You know, I had all of this whole	834.7403
758		835.4024	you know, pie in the sky idea of what my life was really [gonna be like, and]	838.6746
759	DCB_int_01	837.8073	[<laugh>]	838.6513
760	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	838.9963	she's telling me, go back to school. Go back to school. And then finally she says, well look, you know-	842.9167
762		843.5742	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ had just been formed. It used to be um,	846.7449
764		846.9268	/RD-SCHOOL-6/,	848.3991
766		848.8934	/RD-SCHOOL-10/,	851.1129
768		851.2108	and /RD-SCHOOL-7/.	852.4698
769	DCB_int_01	852.4978	Mm-hm.	852.8568
770	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	852.8848	Well, you know, they all merged together and formed the /RD-SCHOOL-8/, so it was a new concept-	857.7331
772		857.8450	new-	858.1854
774		858.9408	[You know, just kind of]-	859.7661
775	DCB_int_01	858.9443	[This is the /RD-SCHOOL-2/] campus? [The-]	860.5110
776	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	860.2639	[This is-	860.8607
777		861.1219	Well,	861.4389
779		861.6068	a-	861.7327
781		861.9612	s-	862.1244
783		862.3995	/RD-SCHOOL-2/ campus w- didn't really exist.	864.8522
785		864.9454	/RD-SCHOOL-9/ had	867.1825
787		867.4296	property on Connecticut Avenue.	869.0803
788	DCB_int_01	869.1409	Okay.	869.5156
789	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	869.8030	Um,	870.2786
791		870.5258	so, when it first started,	872.4317
793		872.8421	we had	873.6394
795		873.9225	uh- My classrooms-	875.0696
797		875.1908	u-	875.3120
799		875.5312	/RD-SCHOOL-6/- which was a very historically um, black	879.3769
801		879.6940	one o- you know,	880.2069
803		880.3748	institution-	881.1582
805		881.6338	Um, was where most of African Americans went	884.0200
807		884.3977	for college and came out in the education	887.0183
809		887.6245	um-	887.9136
811		888.2353	as an education career teachers.	889.8195
813		890.4583	And, so they had	891.9645
815		892.1230	buildings near /RD-SCHOOL-7/.	894.0581
816	DCB_int_01	894.2679	[Okay.]	894.6305
817	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	894.4253	[So their] buildings there-	895.5771
818		895.8988	There were buildings on Connecticut Avenue where the /RD-SCHOOL-2/ campus is now that was part of /RD-SCHOOL-9/,	901.5258
819	DCB_int_01	901.5164	Oh, okay.	902.0107
820	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	902.0294	and then /RD-SCHOOL-7/,	903.7267
822		904.1463	which was, um-	905.5079
824		905.8203	<ts>	905.8996
826		906.3845	I always call it- It was like a militant college, and it was where people who were	909.6894
828		910.0297	getting back into the Afrocentric	911.9182
829	DCB_int_01	912.1001	Mm, [mm-mm.]	912.7855
830	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	912.3146	[kind of]	912.9161
831		913.1947	ways, and [it was the sixties and seventies.] [Yeah, so, it was]	917.1861
832	DCB_int_01	914.2718	[/this was the/ seventies- seven-]	915.8199
834		916.0670	[Yeah, okay.]	917.0975
835	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	917.4752	you know, Black Power. It was the Black Panthers. It was kind of that era.	920.9293
837		921.3629	And-	921.8992
839		921.9924	But	922.4541
841		922.5800	these were people who wanted to be educated, and most of their buildings	925.9314
843		926.2718	were downtown near um,	927.9598
845		928.5240	like um, Second	930.0803
847		930.2994	and um,	931.4418
849		932.6728	where that new Walmart is,	933.8992
851		934.0344	[down in Northeast.]	935.1255
852	DCB_int_01	934.0344	[Mm-hm. Mm.]	934.7665
853		935.2934	Oh.	935.5452
855		935.7830	[/N- Northea-/] like Eighth Street? [that's-]	937.7123
856	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	936.1735	[Um],	936.5093
858		937.3486	[Eighth] Street. [Yeah. I don't know why I couldn't think]- yeah.	939.0412
859	DCB_int_01	938.0200	[/Down in that way-/ Okay.]	938.8733
860	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	939.1438	Yeah yeah yeah.	939.5495
862		940.0624	And um, so when /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was formed, we had all of those buildings, and it really depended on what your major was,	946.9483
863	DCB_int_01	946.9716	Where you were.	947.5156
864	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	947.4519	where you actually went. So I had classes in old DC	949.8941
865		950.1319	teacher's buildings near /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	951.5075
867		951.8292	I had 'em downtown. I had some on Connecticut Avenue.	954.4498
869		955.0362	Um,	955.5351
871		955.8382	and	956.3977
873		956.5190	u- what I-	957.2930
875		957.7826	When I look back on it,	959.1675
877		959.6979	I think that was	960.5512
879		960.7750	the best college experience	962.5469
881		962.8594	I could have had	963.6054
883		963.7033	at that time in my life	964.9064
885		965.2607	because by the time I f- I really-	966.9662
887		967.2507	My sister kept saying, just take classes. Just take classes. Just- just- don't totally not go.	971.0742
889		971.4379	Just take a class a semester and just see.	973.2460
891		973.8289	And-	974.2485
893		974.3418	and I ended up doing that, taking a class here, and then I took a couple classes while I was still working.	978.8912
895		979.2507	Another couple classes, and eventually I looked and said, well man,	982.2302
897		982.6919	I'm almost- [I- I can like],	984.4125
898	DCB_int_01	983.3680	[Done. <laugh>]	984.3892
899	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	984.6585	maybe graduate. You know.	985.8895
901		986.3511	And um,	986.9759
903		987.2184	<ts>	987.3490
905		988.0297	what I loved about /RD-SCHOOL-3/ at the time is that it was	991.3905
907		991.8848	not your typical straight out of high school student.	994.4774
909		995.1209	They were- It w- It was people coming back	997.7496
911		998.0247	to try and	999.2324
913		999.6381	better themselves	1000.7478
915		1001.0369	to	1001.5125
917		1001.6198	you know, get some- more education so they could go out and get better jobs.	1005.1838
919		1005.4189	So it was an older-	1006.6126
921		1006.9810	Probably, I wanna say the average- And I'm guessing, but	1009.6517
923		1010.0620	the average student was probably around-	1012.5800
925		1013.2514	Freshman,	1013.8902
927		1014.2353	was about	1014.8869
929		1015.1854	twenty one.	1015.8615
930	DCB_int_01	1016.4071	[Mm-hm.]	1016.9899
931	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1016.6682	[You know what I] mean?	1017.2324
932	DCB_int_01	1017.2744	Mm-hm.	1017.6800
933	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1017.7406	Um, twenty two maybe.	1018.9577
935		1019.1442	And I met tons of great people, tons of great people.	1022.3418
937		1022.7101	And it was just a very	1023.9924
939		1024.2302	different mix. You know? It wasn't your typical-	1026.6958
941		1027.0408	Sometimes I miss out on- I w- I kind of miss not having the typical college experience. You know, the campus life	1032.5057
943		1032.7471	like my kids have had.	1033.6796
945		1034.1366	Um, but	1034.7614
947		1035.2417	it was for me- uh, that was the right place for me because I was w- around more people like me	1040.6495
949		1040.9573	trying to-	1041.6800
951		1041.9178	had already finished school- was already	1043.4752
953		1044.0301	in the work place, and just trying to	1045.9501
955		1046.6589	really get my degree so that I could go off and do something,	1049.1815
957		1049.7457	you know,	1049.9742
959		1050.1980	something better.	1050.8275
961		1051.1434	I ended up majoring in C- majoring in Computer Information Systems Science,	1054.5333
963		1055.0789	and um,	1056.0161
965		1056.2633	came out, interviewed with /RD-WORK-3/ and got a job. And was working there- worked there for eighteen years.	1060.5739
967		1060.9763	And then decided to do a chan- Well,	1062.5151
969		1064.1553	lots of things happened that made me	1065.7826
971		1066.3095	you know,	1066.6033
973		1067.3400	um, change careers. But	1068.5244
975		1068.9662	you know, had I not-	1070.2252
977		1070.6589	had my path not gone in that direction,	1072.6313
979		1072.9623	I don't know where- you know, what my	1074.1467
981		1074.4498	life would have been at this point.	1075.6377
983		1076.3604	So,	1076.6775
985		1076.9153	okay.	1077.2650
987		1077.8759	I-	1078.0484
989		1078.2629	Do I need to bring it back to [/unintelligible/- <laugh> /So I-/]	1081.2227
990	DCB_int_01	1079.7072	[No, that's great. The whole-]	1081.2273
991		1081.4791	The thing is- I- You know,	1082.9946
993		1083.4236	you experienced-	1085.0183
995		1085.4566	You've grown up here.	1086.3425
996	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1086.5244	[Mm-hm.]	1086.9662
997	DCB_int_01	1086.6212	[You said the] farthest you've lived is Silver Spring, and [that's]	1088.9899
998	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1088.8267	[Right.]	1089.2557
999	DCB_int_01	1089.1624	[fifteen] minutes.	1090.2209
1000	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1090.0997	[Right.]	1090.5427
1001	DCB_int_01	1090.4401	[And] so	1090.8737
1002		1091.3680	when we talk about someone- a DC [native- Like], your experience-	1094.8267
1003	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1093.4045	[Mm-hm.]	1093.9175
1004	DCB_int_01	1095.0832	One thing that I do wanna follow up on	1097.1022
1006		1097.4240	is kind of going back to the riots for a [minute?]	1099.7263
1007	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1099.5164	[Uh-huh.]	1099.9268
1008	DCB_int_01	1100.7381	Because you were close enough to U Street,	1102.4634
1009	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1102.7665	[Yes.]	1103.2561
1010	DCB_int_01	1102.9157	[and like]	1103.2607
1011		1103.4240	Ben's Chili Bowl, and how that was [so /histor-/] Do you remember like, kind of	1106.9759
1012	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1105.0455	[Mm-hm.]	1105.4978
1013	DCB_int_01	1107.2650	like,	1107.5448
1015		1107.8153	Ben's being that landmark, and then U Street- How it was different, I wanna ask that question, and I [wanna ask] about Doctor King-	1113.3210
1016	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1112.1319	[Okay.]	1112.5096
1017	DCB_int_01	1113.5541	going back- after [you finish] that.	1114.6033
1018	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1114.0904	[Okay.]	1114.4494
1019		1114.9856	Well U Street used to be, um- w- u- where- how I remember it,	1119.0738
1021		1119.6054	there used to be the Lincoln Theater. We used to go there	1121.6804
1023		1121.8016	to the movies	1122.6876
1025		1122.9149	on U Street.	1123.5491
1027		1123.8009	Ben's Chili Bowl, absolutely remember Ben's. I mean,	1126.2396
1029		1126.5147	you had to go to- If you were on U Street, you had to go to Ben's. You had to get a chili dog. Whether you liked chili dogs or not,	1130.9759
1031		1131.2371	you had to go in there in that crowded place-	1132.8877
1033		1133.1069	crowded little small spot,	1134.4125
1035		1134.7890	and get- B- Sometimes we even took the	1136.5003
1037		1136.6169	bus	1137.0832
1039		1137.3723	just to go to Ben's to get a chili dog.	1138.9670
1041		1139.5359	So um-	1140.3052
1043		1140.4253	So U Street was more	1142.4910
1045		1143.3769	African Americans.	1144.3841
1047		1144.5333	You know, it was um,	1146.0628
1049		1147.1387	i- i- i-	1147.6470
1051		1147.8848	i- th-	1148.1086
1053		1148.3278	<sigh>	1148.6682
1055		1149.1531	When I was younger,	1150.4214
1057		1150.5520	it was a lot	1151.4426
1059		1152.1374	safer to go down. [As I] got a little older, /and when/- I mean like,	1155.3863
1060	DCB_int_01	1153.3626	[/Mm-hm./]	1153.5957
1061	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1155.7173	teens,	1156.3188
1063		1156.8364	um, the neighborhood started to change. It started to be	1159.4512
1065		1159.7962	prostitution- U Street started to get- be known for	1162.6919
1067		1162.7991	the area where prostitutes were.	1164.6083
1069		1165.3159	And um,	1166.3604
1071		1166.7241	Florida Avenue, [U Street], Fourteenth and U, all of- You know, all of that used to be kind of	1170.8182
1072	DCB_int_01	1167.8899	[Mm-hm.]	1168.3375
1073	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1171.0875	the red light zone.	1172.0060
1075		1172.5749	And um,	1173.5028
1077		1173.8013	so we didn't go down as much.	1175.3960
1079		1176.0301	After the riots- After everything seemed to be torn up- I don't know how Ben's specifically was affected,	1181.4193
1081		1181.9042	but the movie theaters like you know, the Lincoln and all th- They were-	1184.5469
1083		1184.8267	They were gone.	1185.3490
1085		1185.8432	Um,	1186.2582
1087		1186.6266	the Howard Theater I remember because of my sister.	1189.6796
1089		1190.2299	Um,	1190.5982
1091		1190.9200	e-	1191.0412
1093		1191.1531	we used to go to you know, concerts or shows down there, but	1194.6083
1095		1194.9895	once again, after the riots, it just wasn't the same.	1197.5588
1097		1197.9411	And for me, as I- as I mentioned before,	1200.1234
1099		1200.3973	looking the way I did, I didn't feel comfortable	1202.5982
1101		1203.0972	going down- Cause it- it was so heightened. I mean, racial things were so heightened.	1206.8403
1103		1207.1994	I can remember	1208.2019
1105		1208.6589	my very first	1209.7267
1107		1209.8059	summer job, believe it or not, was working with the /RD-WORK-5/	1213.1714
1109		1213.3346	/RD-WORK-4/.	1214.3138
1110	DCB_int_01	1215.1158	[/Wow/ which one?]	1215.8153
1111	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1215.1205	[And-]	1215.7546
1112		1215.9225	I was thirteen.	1216.7199
1114		1217.0882	Um, I actually worked-	1218.6876
1116		1218.9895	It was number two.	1219.6657
1117	DCB_int_01	1219.9268	Mm, [mm-mm.]	1220.4723
1118	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1220.3604	[I] actually wor- It- But it was a different [location.]	1223.2048
1119	DCB_int_01	1222.7059	[/Cation/. Okay.]	1223.3727
1120	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1223.7457	Um,	1224.1467
1122		1224.3600	and I actually worked in the-	1225.9361
1124		1226.4117	i- For lack of a better term, like a headquarters.	1228.5380
1126		1228.9017	The- W- I w- I used to um,	1230.7377
1128		1231.6423	um,	1232.0760
1130		1232.4630	help with the payroll and- and	1234.8084
1132		1235.3260	the club	1235.8343
1134		1235.9788	directors used to come and pick up their pay for summer workers. You know, that kind of thing.	1239.4702
1136		1239.7779	So I worked in the- in the	1241.1162
1138		1241.3913	headquarters-	1242.2073
1140		1242.3134	a- i- And I say that loosely, cause we were just	1244.0620
1142		1244.3744	plopped down in- inside of the club-	1246.0531
1144		1246.6079	Um,	1247.0789
1146		1247.5872	for all the summer employees.	1249.2460
1148		1249.4931	So if there were any issues- anything like that, they came over to where we were.	1252.9903
1150		1253.4939	I didn't handle any of that. I was j- It was all clerical. It was all-	1256.2578
1152		1256.4164	I was thirteen.	1257.1578
1153	DCB_int_01	1257.3909	[/Right./ <laugh>]	1258.5802
1154	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1257.4422	[So you know, it wasn't like I did a] whole lot.	1259.0789
1155		1259.6011	And then, um,	1260.7995
1157		1262.1133	um-	1262.5796
1159		1263.0925	I mentioned that for a reason, and now that thought just went out of my head.	1266.2913
1161		1266.8310	[But-]	1267.1854
1162	DCB_int_01	1266.9056	[Because you were] talking about racial [tensions?]	1268.3791
1163	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1268.2345	[Yes.] [Yes] yes yes.	1269.4469
1164	DCB_int_01	1268.5050	[Mm-hm.]	1268.9340
1165	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1269.7453	So	1270.2536
1167		1270.3795	I used to- uh- So during that time,	1272.5524
1169		1273.1387	um,	1273.6237
1171		1274.4677	my hair was-	1275.0552
1173		1275.2137	was long.	1275.7919
1175		1275.9971	I mean, it was like,	1276.5427
1177		1277.0929	past my shoulder right? It was long.	1278.7424
1179		1279.3859	And um,	1280.4024
1181		1280.5050	I wanted to get an- I wanted to have an afro.	1282.4634
1183		1282.7711	Right?	1282.9950
1185		1283.4333	My hair was always curly enough that if it was cut short, it would have been an afro /fright/.	1287.1624
1187		1287.3490	You b- You leave me in this room long enough, it's gonna be [an afro. <laugh>]	1290.2913
1188	DCB_int_01	1289.1349	[Yep. <laugh>]	1291.0327
1189	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1290.6258	[But anyway], um,	1291.6470
1190		1292.2578	so	1292.7288
1192		1293.0086	I- I was d- I figured- You know, I thought, if I just could get an afro, that'd help me out. People would know, you know-	1298.2858
1194		1298.8314	It's amazing. Um, at thirteen, you know, that's kind of	1301.5032
1196		1302.2586	what my mindset was.	1303.3812
1198		1303.7356	So my sister one day, took and she- <laugh> I'll never forget. She wet my hair.	1308.1782
1200		1308.5046	She rolled it up on those little sponge rollers, and after it	1311.0365
1202		1311.4282	dried,	1311.9458
1204		1312.0484	it was- it was like, really curly-	1313.5452
1206		1313.7923	She	1314.0022
1208		1314.2668	teased it up. She's-	1315.3788
1210		1315.5677	had hair pins stuck- So I had this big	1317.7640
1212		1317.9924	mop,	1318.4214
1214		1318.9950	which- which resembled	1320.4486
1216		1320.5699	in my mind, an afro.	1321.9128
1218		1322.2905	I-	1322.4723
1220		1322.7661	The pictures-	1323.5728
1222		1323.8572	I am so embarrassed, and [I look so]	1325.9462
1223	DCB_int_01	1325.2095	[<laugh>]	1326.0022
1224	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1326.3647	awful, it's just ridiculous. Oh my gosh.	1328.7801
1226		1329.3070	But anyway, so- so I	1330.6546
1228		1331.2747	found myself trying to just prove-	1333.7869
1230		1334.2205	Because I still had to live in this neighborhood. I mean I still-	1336.6779
1232		1336.8318	This was still my community.	1338.1141
1234		1338.2819	It [was still]	1339.1248
1235	DCB_int_01	1338.4067	[Mm.]	1338.8080
1236	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1339.9128	you know, where I lived, where I went to school, where I	1342.2023
1238		1342.4447	shopped, where I- You know,	1343.7783
1240		1344.2493	where my friends were and all of that. Bu- and- and all of this pressure I put on [myself.] It's not like,	1348.8970
1241	DCB_int_01	1347.9858	[self]	1348.3245
1242	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1349.3493	I necessarily had	1350.5151
1244		1351.7263	people, you know,	1352.7894
1246		1353.1112	picking	1353.5448
1248		1353.6334	fights with me or anything. I ha- I did have a couple of incidents.	1356.6270
1250		1356.9522	Not necessarily picking fights, but just kind of	1359.3023
1252		1359.8432	you know, giving me a-	1360.6872
1254		1361.0789	a hard time	1361.8156
1256		1362.0861	because of-	1362.6714
1258		1362.7937	of how I looked.	1363.4791
1260		1363.5584	But	1363.7216
1262		1364.4024	um-	1364.7008
1264		1364.9433	But again, it was the pressure I was putting on myself,	1366.9204
1266		1367.0975	and I can remember, clear as day, riding the day the bus down to that	1369.9827
1268		1370.5796	summer job, looking like a fool, thinking that I was looking	1373.8063
1270		1374.5093	you know-	1374.8916
1271	DCB_int_01	1375.6983	Just doing it.	1376.5469
1272	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1376.5749	Just doing it.	1377.1764
1274		1377.8246	So yeah, so, um,	1379.1861
1276		1380.8590	um,	1381.3159
1278		1381.4418	okay. So,	1382.2812
1280		1382.8454	so that was-	1383.9085
1282		1384.0204	<clears throat>	1384.4214
1284		1385.3027	Yeah, I've totally lost-	1386.4218
1285	DCB_int_01	1386.6864	Mm-mm. So I think my second question is because- In a city-	1389.8292
1287		1390.1743	Two-	1390.3981
1289		1390.5893	I guess it's two parts,	1391.5592
1290	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1391.6571	[Mm-hm.]	1392.0068
1291	DCB_int_01	1391.8156	[But],	1392.0161
1292		1392.1933	this used to be Chocolate City, right? [And now] we see that it's a-	1395.3396
1293	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1393.5071	[Right.]	1393.9454
1294	DCB_int_01	1395.9971	One person put it as a swirl	1397.7064
1295	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1397.9322	[Mm-hm.]	1398.3938
1296	DCB_int_01	1398.0721	[moving toward] vanilla.	1399.0500
1297	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1399.1947	<laugh>	1399.6284
1298	DCB_int_01	1399.6050	Um,	1400.3977
1299		1400.6402	<clears throat> with the swirl part running out.	1402.7898
1300	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1402.9110	Right.	1403.4146
1301	DCB_int_01	1403.4240	Um,	1403.9369
1303		1404.0954	do you feel like-	1405.1527
1305		1406.3138	I- I think	1406.8687
1307		1407.1438	sort of, you had to justify your [blackness in-] in the time when	1411.4885
1308	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1409.1535	[Yes.]	1409.7317
1309	DCB_int_01	1412.3278	being black- But do you ever feel like you-	1413.7779
1311		1414.0624	your-	1414.3981
1313		1414.5193	your ide- The way you looked helped you? Like,	1417.0828
1315		1417.5910	in a th- When there was so-	1418.8547
1317		1419.0832	so much racial tension and racially charged where you kind of got-	1422.4591
1319		1423.1760	kind of a pass because you looked white?	1424.9853
1320	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1425.1438	<ts>	1425.3210
1322		1425.8246	You know,	1426.3515
1324		1426.9250	um, my- my first answer would be no	1429.5164
1325	DCB_int_01	1429.9734	[Mm.]	1430.2578
1326	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1429.9827	[because] I didn't tr- I was very	1432.2536
1327		1433.0369	um,	1433.3866
1329		1433.5265	insecure-	1434.4265
1331		1434.9243	I lacked a lot of confidence during that time, and I only wanted to be around people	1438.7292
1333		1438.8877	that I knew and felt comfortable with. I never really	1441.5864
1335		1442.1319	ventured out	1443.2417
1337		1444.0810	of- of my comfort zone.	1445.6424
1339		1446.0628	So,	1446.6130
1341		1447.9175	I can imagine-	1448.9899
1343		1449.3723	It- it became	1450.4960
1345		1450.8131	what I'll call	1451.6664
1347		1452.4440	um-	1452.8869
1349		1453.7309	And I hate to use the word advantage, but	1455.3256
1351		1455.4982	honestly,	1456.0950
1353		1456.2722	that's h-	1456.5427
1355		1456.7898	When I started-	1457.6524
1357		1458.3507	As I got older	1459.3486
1359		1459.8755	and started going into the professional world, um,	1462.6452
1361		1462.9856	like when I first started	1464.1327
1363		1464.4813	working um,	1465.6563
1365		1465.8149	in retail, I went out to White Flint Mall, which is now [closed. God.]	1469.5219
1366	DCB_int_01	1468.8784	[Mm-hm.]	1469.4426
1367	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1470.1793	But um-	1470.8869
1368	DCB_int_01	1470.8776	Lord and Taylor's still there.	1471.9081
1369	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1471.9128	Lord and Taylor is still [there.]	1473.0878
1370	DCB_int_01	1472.8594	[It's] ho- [it's hanging on.]	1473.9411
1371	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1473.4096	[It's holding] on, [man, it's holding] on.	1475.1815
1372	DCB_int_01	1474.2396	[It's- Mm.]	1474.9204
1373	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1475.6664	And um, so I went out there because I wanted to be in the- kind of that environment. I didn't wanna- I wanted to be on the high end of	1481.4333
1375		1481.5638	fashion, whatever.	1482.5011
1377		1483.0502	And	1483.5025
1379		1483.6796	I believe- A lot of people didn't know I was black when I interviewed for that job. They had one young lady f- [tell] me	1488.6876
1381		1489.0595	eventually-	1489.7822
1382	DCB_int_01	1490.8687	We are, but come on [in if you need] to warm up your-	1492.8644
1383	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1493.7492	Um,	1494.0010
1385		1494.1595	telling me eventually	1495.4232
1387		1495.8475	[after I worked] there for awhile, that she should I was Jewish.	1498.8364
1389		1499.7877	And I was like, no, I'm not Jewish, you [know. I'm]	1502.0807
1390	DCB_int_01	1501.6097	[<laugh>]	1502.4071
1391	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1502.3837	African American (whispered). And they were like, <gasp> really?	1504.8597
1392		1505.2747	It looks so great on you.	1506.6689
1394		1507.5006	Oh.	1507.6941
1396		1508.2577	Okay.	1508.7390
1398		1508.8452	[Thanks],	1509.3582
1400		1509.4607	I [think.]	1509.9783
1402		1510.1205	Right?	1510.3793
1403	DCB_int_01	1510.3770	Right.	1510.5962
1404	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1511.2251	Um,	1511.6051
1406		1511.7217	[so]	1512.3302
1408		1513.2861	like I said, I-	1514.0292
1410		1514.1085	I-	1514.3253
1412		1514.7333	As a young person,	1516.0389
1414		1516.3280	I could see no benefit in it.	1517.6331
1416		1517.7310	I- I just could not-	1518.9760
1418		1519.7594	It was almost like, why am I- Why?	1521.7755
1420		1522.3339	Out of all my-	1523.0566
1422		1523.3550	And if you were to meet my siblings,	1525.0745
1424		1525.2517	there would be no-	1525.8579
1426		1526.8324	no mistake	1527.6904
1428		1527.8210	[about]	1528.2126
1429	DCB_int_01	1527.8256	[Mm-hm.]	1528.2406
1430	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1528.3385	their ethnicity.	1529.0566
1432		1529.4576	Um, my mom was fair skinned.	1531.1398
1434		1531.5548	My dad was brown skinned,	1532.6086
1436		1532.7392	but she-	1533.3005
1438		1533.7277	A- And I guess, you know,	1534.7069
1440		1535.1872	when she was young,	1536.0964
1442		1536.2503	I think she had to go through	1537.2750
1444		1537.4848	similar things as I [did. And-]	1538.8464
1445	DCB_int_01	1538.4454	[Probably even] more so.	1539.4386
1446	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1539.4479	Exactly.	1540.1940
1448		1540.5064	Um,	1540.9494
1450		1541.3457	and I think	1542.2223
1452		1543.2424	she um-	1544.2962
1454		1544.4687	And it's funny because	1545.7184
1456		1545.8956	in her	1546.3712
1458		1546.6136	family,	1547.1499
1460		1547.7001	there were	1548.3343
1462		1548.5114	five kids,	1549.3776
1464		1549.7879	one boy.	1550.2589
1466		1551.0283	She was sort of the middle,	1552.2126
1468		1552.5624	but she was also the most	1554.2830
1470		1554.9300	um, fair skinned out of [her siblings.]	1557.0283
1471	DCB_int_01	1556.3335	[Mm-hm. Mm-hm.]	1557.1542
1472	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1557.3220	So she- And we never really talked about that cause she never wanted me to feel different.	1561.5921
1474		1561.7040	You know what I mean? She never wanted me to	1563.3966
1476		1564.2080	um-	1564.7209
1478		1566.1897	She didn't wanna acknowledge my fear or my- my	1568.8651
1480		1569.5225	discomfort with	1570.6463
1482		1571.5602	you know, my physical	1572.4835
1484		1572.6688	[appearance], so we never really	1574.1283
1485	DCB_int_01	1572.8880	[/pearance/]	1573.4781
1486	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1574.7531	talked about it.	1575.4013
1488		1575.5878	And um,	1576.4318
1490		1577.4017	yeah,	1577.6628
1492		1577.9519	so.	1578.3063
1493	DCB_int_01	1578.7668	So let's move away from [that for a] minute.	1580.4294
1494	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1579.6993	[Okay.]	1580.1423
1495		1580.4827	Alright.	1580.7485
1496	DCB_int_01	1580.7345	Um,	1581.3174
1497		1581.5785	because I think-	1582.4038
1499		1582.9867	I- I think-	1583.8493
1501		1584.1944	Cause I will come back to that when we talk about kind of gentrification and how now the city is, so [we'll- we'll] come back to [that.]	1589.8680
1502	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1588.8188	[Right.]	1589.2804
1504		1589.6675	[Okay.]	1590.0638
1505	DCB_int_01	1590.1571	But let's talk about like, high school,	1592.0071
1506	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1591.9744	[Mm-hm.]	1592.4734
1507	DCB_int_01	1592.5526	um, and your friends. So,	1594.7256
1509		1595.1918	who'd you hang out with? What'd y'all do?	1597.1911
1510	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1597.2610	Okay.	1597.6807
1511	DCB_int_01	1598.0257	Kind of, who was	1598.5666
1513		1598.7625	/RD-NAME-2/ in high school?	1599.8676
1514	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1600.1940	Okay.	1600.5484
1516		1600.8515	So,	1601.2991
1518		1602.3762	I	1602.8518
1520		1603.1211	went to DC public schools through the sixth grade,	1605.0749
1521	DCB_int_01	1605.2428	Mm-hm.	1605.5645
1522	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1605.8443	and then, my mom didn't wanna put me in the regular	1608.9020
1524		1609.0465	um-	1609.3216
1526		1610.1470	junior high	1610.7765
1528		1610.9630	it was called-	1611.6018
1530		1611.9655	which was then /RD-SCHOOL-3/	1613.4949
1532		1613.6348	Junior High, [which is] now	1614.8227
1533	DCB_int_01	1614.2084	[Mm-hm.]	1614.5441
1534	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1615.1118	uh, a	1615.5082
1536		1615.6667	Gifted and Talented	1616.5946
1538		1616.9583	[place. Right?] Yeah.	1617.9702
1539	DCB_int_01	1616.9676	[Right, now it's like-]	1617.7324
1540	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1618.2919	[Totally different.]	1619.0473
1542		1619.3877	Um,	1619.7840
1544		1619.9939	and so, she um-	1622.1272
1546		1622.9676	We grew up Catholic.	1624.5950
1548		1624.7162	Um, my mother was Baptist. My father was Catholic. So we all went to Catholic church. We went through the whole,	1629.5785
1550		1630.0774	[you know]-	1630.4458
1552		1631.2058	the whole Catholic	1632.0358
1554		1632.7026	thing.	1633.0803
1556		1633.7226	And [um], [so]	1635.2474
1558		1635.9702	we belonged [to Sacred] [Heart] Catholic [Church] on [Sixteenth] and Park Road.	1638.9031
1559	DCB_int_01	1637.9426	[Mm-hm.]	1638.2783
1560	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1639.4569	And um, she went up there and spoke to the priest and said, I wanna enroll,	1643.2525
1562		1643.3877	you know, my daughter in this thing. And	1645.0057
1564		1645.4569	Father /RD-NAME-2/, I'll never forg- he's- he's sort of an institution in- in DC as well. He's since passed, but	1650.1524
1566		1650.6980	um, he went over to the school with my mother.	1652.7531
1568		1653.4852	Um, he was a- he was a Caucasian man. He was a white man.	1655.8540
1570		1656.3669	And	1656.8425
1572		1657.0652	he went into the office, and he says,	1658.6785
1574		1658.9956	this is my cousin,	1659.9375
1576		1660.5903	and she wants-	1661.4157
1578		1661.6255	she wants her daughter,	1662.8099
1580		1663.0745	/RD-NAME-2/,	1663.4196
1582		1663.5548	to attend this school.	1664.6039
1583	DCB_int_01	1664.7905	[<laugh>]	1665.4992
1584	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1665.1728	[And they said], okay.	1666.0867
1585		1666.6976	I mean, [I didn't have to go] through any	1668.2876
1587		1668.5114	hoops, any n- any	1669.9605
1589		1670.5387	[application process], nothing.	1672.3199
1591		1672.4831	I mean, he just went in there and said, this is my cousin. And they knew we were not his cousin.	1675.9371
1593		1676.3335	[But]	1676.7065
1595		1676.8977	he was [so] well respected	1678.4971
1596	DCB_int_01	1678.6603	[<laugh>]	1679.4716
1597	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1678.6696	[/that that's all-/]	1679.3224
1598		1679.8400	And	1680.2550
1600		1680.6409	[I-]	1680.9206
1602		1681.6807	I wasn't happy cause all my friends	1683.6997
1604		1683.8210	were going to	1684.6883
1606		1684.8421	the junior high school.	1685.6721
1608		1686.2550	So once again, I'm feeling	1687.9698
1610		1688.1470	different and,	1689.1215
1612		1689.3127	now I have to go to Catholic school. Now I have to go to a [/inaudible/.]	1691.6500
1613	DCB_int_01	1691.2665	[And you] the priest's cousin. <laugh>	1693.1025
1614	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1693.6527	So, we end [up]-	1695.2334
1615	DCB_int_01	1694.8651	[<laugh>]	1695.7790
1616	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1695.6531	[So], my seventh grade- which is really kind of a vulnerable- vulnerable time. [Cause you're] seventh grade- You know, you're d- what? Twelve? Eleven? I don't even know.	1702.5530
1617	DCB_int_01	1699.6480	[Mm.]	1699.8672
1618	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1703.3737	U- Looking-	1704.0590
1620		1705.0978	Okay, so.	1705.9418
1622		1706.0864	I go to- go to Catholic school, so	1707.9562
1624		1708.4411	the first couple of days, we could wear	1710.4497
1626		1710.5662	our regular clothes. Now back then,	1712.1470
1628		1712.3335	school was-	1713.2567
1630		1713.5692	You- Girls didn't wear pants.	1714.8188
1632		1714.9494	You wore- You wore a dress or a skirt.	1716.4648
1634		1716.9812	And um,	1718.0024
1636		1718.5340	so we- you know, we	1719.5132
1638		1719.6904	go- First couple of days we could wear regular clothes, and then the-	1722.0498
1640		1722.1990	the next week,	1723.1223
1642		1723.2517	we had to wear our uniforms.	1724.6459
1644		1725.2801	So,	1725.8536
1646		1726.1520	one- my	1726.9494
1648		1727.4716	first enco- The first horrible encounter I had at this school was with	1731.1169
1650		1731.2428	a nun.	1731.7976
1652		1732.1287	Sister /RD-NAME-2/, she had to be the meanest woman that I've ever met in my entire life,	1735.6897
1654		1735.7879	okay?	1736.1330
1656		1736.7718	Um,	1737.1681
1658		1737.4479	she was the eighth grade teacher. The way the school was organized, there was	1740.6980
1660		1740.9253	one seventh grade,	1742.1936
1662		1742.6412	one eighth grade,	1743.8909
1664		1744.2733	one- one class-	1745.3177
1666		1745.7747	And the- and the school	1746.7306
1668		1746.9719	um-	1747.3962
1670		1747.5361	It was the gr- /RD-SCHOOL-5/. It was from first to eighth grade.	1750.5763
1671	DCB_int_01	1750.7675	Mm.	1751.0893
1672	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1751.1266	So most people there started at first grade, so they all [knew each other.]	1754.6039
1673	DCB_int_01	1753.9931	[Knew each] other.	1754.8651
1674	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1755.0143	So boom! Here I come in the middle in seventh grade.	1757.5602
1676		1758.1011	Um,	1758.5767
1678		1758.9684	and	1759.5221
1680		1760.8091	so	1761.2474
1682		1761.5645	my seventh grade teacher was very nice, Sister /RD-NAME-2/.	1764.0918
1684		1764.4555	Um,	1765.0523
1686		1765.5781	eighth grade teacher, Sister	1766.8464
1688		1766.9723	/RD-NAME-2/ was the meanest lady I'd ever met,	1768.8934
1690		1769.3784	and the way they did it was um,	1771.2808
1692		1772.0537	for	1772.6179
1694		1772.8044	the higher level reading and math classes,	1775.3970
1696		1775.6488	we switched,	1776.3424
1698		1776.5056	and of course I was in that group, so I had to go to her class.	1779.3873
1700		1779.9655	Okay, so, back to the first days when I'm- when I'm	1782.8285
1702		1783.2004	wearing regular clothes, I happen to have on	1785.5692
1704		1786.2360	a um-	1787.1452
1706		1787.9892	From the front, it looked like a dress, but it was culottes.	1790.7019
1708		1790.8044	That's what we called 'em. You [know what I mean? They were really-]	1792.4411
1709	DCB_int_01	1791.6204	[Mm-hm. Mm-hm.]	1792.4225
1710	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1792.8654	And you couldn't even tell they were culottes.	1794.3855
1712		1794.8740	Was walking through the hall,	1796.2309
1714		1797.2008	in the line with my classes- Sister /RD-NAME-2/ was at the door-	1799.8773
1716		1800.3855	When I walked past her, she said- She pulled me-	1803.0749
1718		1803.3780	come over here!	1803.9562
1720		1804.8701	We do not wear pants in this school!	1807.3403
1722		1807.9978	So that was my first week	1809.2428
1724		1809.5225	at a school that I didn't wanna go to,	1811.1872
1726		1811.4203	where everybody else knew each other,	1812.6886
1728		1812.9906	I felt like,	1813.5968
1730		1813.7040	you know, I was an odd ball out,	1814.8138
1732		1815.0609	and she made me feel even more like an oddball out. So of course I hated it. I was like, okay.	1818.5627
1734		1818.7912	I hate this. I never wanna come to this school again.	1820.8790
1736		1821.3407	Toughed it out.	1822.0634
1738		1822.4225	Um,	1822.9027
1740		1823.1219	and then by the time I got to eighth grade, she and I were chums cause she saw I was	1826.4267
1742		1826.7671	smart.	1827.3500
1744		1827.5878	I- Cause I was.	1828.3992
1746		1829.1965	I was smart because she made me smart. She- Otherwi- She would-	1831.7973
1748		1832.1423	She would embarrass you so terribly. We had a young man who stuttered terribly in class.	1836.3482
1750		1836.9766	Whenever she called on him to answer a question,	1838.8511
1752		1838.9863	if he couldn't get a word out, up next.	1841.1779
1754		1841.3504	She would move to the next person. She had no sensitivity	1843.5408
1756		1843.6667	at all.	1844.0211
1758		1844.4780	So anyway, she and I ended up being really	1846.3245
1759	DCB_int_01	1846.5251	Mm.	1846.8095
1760	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1847.1452	tight	1847.5695
1762		1847.6815	because I w-	1848.4182
1764		1848.5534	I- She made me	1849.8439
1766		1850.0491	learn.	1850.5060
1768		1850.6459	She made me wanna	1851.6438
1770		1851.9981	be my best cause I was not gonna let her embarrass me.	1854.1384
1772		1854.4135	Okay, so that's- that's one story.	1855.5828
1773	DCB_int_01	1855.8625	[<laugh>]	1856.6599
1774	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1856.1843	[So]	1856.6366
1775		1856.8837	from the- and the g- and the school was made up of-	1859.8540
1777		1860.5534	It was pretty diverse.	1861.6667
1779		1861.9698	There were- There were Whites. There were Hispanic.	1864.3012
1781		1864.4924	There were	1865.1126
1783		1865.2338	Asians.	1866.0731
1785		1866.6933	Um,	1867.2424
1787		1867.5455	and Black.	1868.1610
1789		1868.7951	And	1869.1915
1791		1869.3593	um,	1869.9189
1793		1870.3152	people from Africa	1871.2618
1795		1871.4670	were there.	1871.8136
1796	DCB_int_01	1871.7840	Mm.	1871.9845
1797	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1872.0079	So it was very diverse.	1873.0617
1799		1873.5734	Um,	1873.9465
1801		1874.4221	so I managed to get through the grade school, went over to the academy, which was ninth	1878.2937
1803		1878.5021	through twelfth grade.	1879.3028
1805		1879.9325	Um,	1880.5107
1807		1881.0656	best	1881.6484
1809		1881.9469	high school years of my life.	1883.5182
1811		1884.0172	I-	1884.3704
1813		1884.4870	My best friend was /RD-NAME-3/.	1885.9465
1815		1886.2356	/RD-NAME-3/	1886.8184
1817		1886.8977	was- her family was from the Dominican Republic.	1889.3690
1819		1889.8726	Um,	1890.2410
1821		1890.3343	she was a um,	1892.2775
1823		1892.6310	<ts>	1892.7200
1825		1893.0842	dark brown skinned girl.	1894.2686
1827		1895.1406	I was a light skinned girl. Everybody used to call- You know, used to say, we were just	1898.2542
1829		1898.3755	like salt and pepper /all the ti-/.	1899.5470
1831		1899.7137	We were- We were clo- We-	1900.9354
1833		1901.0566	We were inseparable.	1902.0591
1835		1902.1804	We used to do everything together.	1903.4802
1837		1903.9791	Um,	1904.4640
1839		1904.6273	and- including,	1906.0308
1841		1906.1567	you know, hanging out or sneaking out from lunch when we weren't supposed to.	1909.4848
1843		1910.0630	Um,	1910.5293
1845		1911.0096	in about tenth grade,	1912.3805
1847		1912.7768	we had-	1913.2758
1849		1913.6208	our- ours-	1914.1804
1851		1914.5907	Um, the academy was- was a	1915.8998
1853		1916.3521	converted	1917.1635
1855		1917.8443	like,	1918.1007
1857		1918.2313	house- this huge house,	1919.8027
1859		1920.2876	um,	1920.6840
1861		1920.7901	that-	1921.1258
1863		1922.3755	You know, it was um-	1923.9049
1865		1925.5835	I- I can't- We ha- I think it was a total of about	1928.1028
1867		1928.7019	a hundred fifty girls in the school, s- ninth through twelfth grade.	1931.4157
1869		1932.0032	Um, and so	1933.2435
1871		1933.7273	we used to have this room	1935.0283
1873		1935.2288	in the basement where our lockers /room/, and then there was a tunnel,	1938.0498
1875		1938.3797	It was used in some war,	1939.6480
1877		1939.8299	you know, so it was- Whatever.	1940.8977
1879		1941.2148	So this tunnel- So a group of us went down there, decided we were gonna smoke cigarettes.	1944.5161
1881		1944.6140	Okay?	1944.9731
1883		1945.4475	So we go down there, we're lighting up cigarettes,	1947.3500
1885		1947.8116	and we hear somebody come.	1949.3970
1887		1950.0731	And there is one of the nuns coming down. And she's-	1952.3941
1889		1952.6506	she realizes wh- somebody is back- There's probably like eight of us.	1955.4110
1891		1955.9146	And she starts c-	1957.0384
1893		1957.2377	girls, come out of there. Girls, come out of there. So one at a time,	1960.0075
1895		1960.3665	they're peeling out- We're peeling out, right?	1961.9659
1897		1962.2270	She doesn't say anything. Coming out, coming out.	1964.2309
1899		1964.5620	She sees me, and she says,	1966.3525
1901		1966.8794	/RD-NAME-2/	1967.4670
1903		1967.6022	/RD-NAME-2/, I am surprised at you.	1969.6434
1905		1969.7366	Right?	1969.9884
1907		1970.5200	Everybody was like, what- Is she surprised at you? Everybody else, she's like, mm-hm. Mm-hm.	1974.1617
1909		1974.6746	/RD-NAME-2/- so, I	1975.8859
1911		1976.0630	I was-	1976.4594
1913		1976.7858	And I was a good girl. I didn't do any- I knew my limits because I knew	1979.9612
1915		1980.4928	what I'd have to deal with at home if I got into serious trouble.	1983.5412
1917		1984.0774	But um,	1984.7489
1919		1984.8981	so I used to-	1985.8633
1921		1986.0032	I used to-	1986.4975
1923		1987.0652	Everybody thought I was like this- this	1988.7998
1925		1990.4038	perfect- n- not perfect. They thought I was a good girl.	1992.6467
1926	DCB_int_01	1992.6373	Mm, [you were a] goody goody [two shoes.]	1994.0134
1927	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1992.8367	[Right?]	1993.0978
1929		1993.5828	[I was goody] [goody two] shoes. But-	1995.0283
1930	DCB_int_01	1994.1423	[Mm-hm.]	1994.5200
1931	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	1995.1775	but /RD-NAME-2/ and I had our moments, you know.	1997.1126
1933		1997.2711	And we had our moments doing	1998.4322
1935		1998.5627	other crazy stuff.	1999.4802
1937		2000.0304	Um,	2000.3475
1939		2000.4547	I was a cheerleader in high school,	2001.9562
1941		2002.7302	and we cheered for	2004.0452
1943		2004.2130	our all girl basketball team.	2005.7833
1945		2006.5060	And um (laughing), we would go around to different high schools and cheer. And it was a big deal.	2010.1990
1947		2010.7726	Um,	2011.2470
1949		2012.0257	we went to competitions. My freshman year we won the entire competition, so it was my first trophy.	2016.6420
1951		2017.1118	Felt pretty	2017.6247
1953		2018.0397	good about that.	2018.7252
1955		2019.2148	Um, I was always a good student. My s- Teachers always thought I was a good student.	2023.1782
1957		2023.6714	Um, I ended up being the president of my senior class. /RD-NAME-3/ was vice president.	2027.9939
1958	DCB_int_01	2028.1990	Ah.	2028.4415
1959	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2028.6875	And [um]-	2029.7133
1960	DCB_int_01	2029.3450	[Naturally.]	2029.8859
1961	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2029.8859	Yeah, right. I was	2031.1205
1962		2031.1961	um, captain of my cheerleading squad. You know, I was on all the-	2034.3343
1964		2034.8833	Yearbook Committee, all that stuff.	2036.5993
1965	DCB_int_01	2036.6692	[Mm.]	2036.8930
1966	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2036.7252	[You know?]	2037.0656
1967		2037.4852	Um, and again, the- the- the	2039.0753
1969		2039.2711	cl-	2039.4530
1971		2039.5556	the school was very diverse.	2041.0570
1973		2041.4196	Um, it had some hard chicks,	2042.9443
1975		2043.1122	and then it had some very soft sort of	2045.2105
1977		2045.4530	soft spoken (speaks softly) girls, so it was-	2046.8752
1979		2047.5128	There were um,	2048.6925
1981		2049.5878	um,	2049.9329
1983		2050.0494	lesbian girls there.	2051.5835
1985		2051.9939	There were um,	2053.3028
1987		2054.1703	hoodlums there,	2055.2055
1989		2055.5039	and it was everything in between.	2056.8235
1991		2057.0333	But it was	2057.3364
1993		2057.4576	awesome.	2057.8586
1995		2058.0079	It was just-	2058.6653
1997		2059.4709	You know, nobody-	2060.2775
1999		2060.5666	It wasn't like people were	2061.7557
2001		2063.1033	m- messing with each other, or tryna beat up each oth- None of that. It was just, that's how- how they were. You knew that's how they were.	2069.1965
2003		2069.7887	They were your girls. They were your friend. They did their thing. You did your thing.	2072.8495
2005		2073.1775	But you knew that	2073.9702
2007		2074.0961	when they left school, it was a whole different-	2075.7514
2009		2075.8959	different thing, so.	2076.8518
2010	DCB_int_01	2076.9906	What did you do for fun?	2077.9418
2012		2078.2262	Like, especially that-	2079.2567
2014		2079.4293	Like,	2079.6811
2015	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2079.6764	Mm-hm.	2080.1194
2016	DCB_int_01	2080.3106	as a teenager and a young adult, like what did you do	2083.1724
2018		2083.2890	outside of school?	2084.4174
2019	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2085.1029	We w- used to um-	2086.8561
2021		2088.0731	We used to- After school, we used to ride the bus downtown,	2091.0516
2023		2091.3920	and-	2091.8862
2025		2092.3012	You know, downtown like on Seventh Street. Hecht's used to be there, so we used to go down and	2096.0257
2027		2096.5620	um,	2097.0422
2029		2097.5505	you know, hang out at the stores. We didn't really have money,	2099.6581
2031		2100.0964	but the little bit of money we'd have we might,	2101.9092
2033		2102.0491	you know, buy- go and eat. So we'd do stuff like that after school.	2105.2635
2035		2105.8400	Um,	2106.3995
2037		2106.7668	we would go to movies.	2109.0143
2039		2109.1215	Um,	2109.6298
2041		2110.4178	we didn't um-	2111.7980
2043		2111.9193	We didn't do a lot of like-	2113.4196
2045		2115.0003	We did p- We did have pa- We had house parties.	2117.4903
2047		2117.7467	You know, we had	2118.2317
2049		2118.7866	occasional house parties.	2120.1796
2051		2120.7158	Um,	2121.3127
2053		2121.6251	and just	2121.9795
2055		2122.1287	kind of hang out at each other's houses. You know, we would	2124.4089
2057		2124.8414	hang out. We would	2125.6154
2059		2125.8765	play records, like forty [fives (laughing).]	2128.3059
2060	DCB_int_01	2128.0028	[/Mm./]	2128.3479
2061	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2128.7162	And we'd sing. And we'd pretend like we were the group singing. And we'd- had dance steps, and we'd	2133.4335
2063		2133.8840	you know, do that kind of thing. Um,	2135.6652
2065		2136.0184	I used to love, believe it or not, going to the library. So I used to take the bus-	2139.4037
2066	DCB_int_01	2139.5436	I am not surprised now, [/RD-NAME-2/.] That is-	2141.4088
2067	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2140.7047	[<laugh>]	2141.0963
2068	DCB_int_01	2141.6034	[Nope, not surprised] at that.	2142.7086
2069	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2141.6174	[<laugh>]	2142.1583
2070		2142.8111	I used to take the bus to Petworth Library	2145.2219
2072		2145.3944	and go up there. And I used to love to read these teenage romance novels.	2148.8438
2074		2149.2681	I'd get my- my books, and I'd hop right back down to um,	2152.4435
2076		2152.6580	home, and I'd read my books and-	2154.2469
2078		2154.8578	So sometimes I could convince a couple of my girlfriends to um,	2157.8280
2080		2158.5554	to go up with me. And we'd-	2159.7725
2082		2160.3402	You know- We'd hang out and be stupid at the library.	2162.2613
2084		2162.7742	Um,	2163.3058
2086		2164.5181	for a minute, I was a cheerleader for Pop Warner. We had [um]-	2168.1715
2087	DCB_int_01	2167.6411	[Mm.]	2167.8789
2088	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2168.9374	um-	2169.4503
2090		2170.2570	You know some of the-	2170.9133
2092		2171.0346	Like I said, there were a lot of-	2172.0930
2094		2172.3635	There were a lot of young people in the neighborhood,	2174.0655
2096		2174.1634	and there was a group of guys	2176.0145
2098		2176.4529	that were on this Pop W- And- And I didn't even know it was Pop Warner until	2179.4582
2100		2179.7064	you know, years later.	2180.6530
2102		2181.3804	Excuse me. But they were playing football, and they were looking for girls to cheer.	2184.3915
2104		2184.5547	And so a lot of	2185.2494
2106		2185.4453	girls in my neighborhood and	2186.7649
2108		2187.2219	people I went to school with, we formed a group.	2189.2782
2110		2189.4787	We had somebody- I don't even remember who she was- that made up the cheers for us, and we'd	2193.0447
2112		2193.3478	practice	2194.0425
2114		2194.4668	throughout the night	2195.3202
2116		2195.5020	on our street,	2196.3495
2118		2196.5267	you know,	2196.8857
2120		2197.0303	um,	2197.3753
2122		2197.5152	doing cheers. So we did that.	2199.0633
2124		2199.6881	Um,	2200.2524
2126		2201.2176	I didn't-	2201.6885
2128		2201.8506	I-	2201.9858
2130		2202.2749	That's-	2202.7692
2132		2202.9044	You know,	2203.3241
2134		2204.1680	I was really- Our family was very very close. So we did a lot of things	2208.2656
2136		2208.3821	together as a family.	2209.4593
2138		2209.9675	Um,	2210.3965
2140		2210.4991	so a lot of times, you know I-	2211.8793
2142		2212.6254	When my sisters had parties, you know, we'd sneak down there and /sit/ on the basement step until they ran us out.	2217.6788
2144		2218.1777	Um,	2218.6860
2146		2219.1197	we used to- I used to dress up in their clothes.	2221.2588
2148		2221.3520	You know, I mean stuff like that. You know, nothing-	2223.4550
2149	DCB_int_01	2224.1731	You weren't a super super wild [child.]	2225.4880
2150	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2225.4041	[I] was not. I-	2226.3355
2151		2227.4080	I- You know,	2228.1354
2153		2228.2846	I got a little wild	2229.8747
2155		2230.3829	in my	2231.0264
2157		2231.1383	like, junior and senior year.	2232.6852
2159		2233.6458	And um, that's when I discovered weed.	2235.9213
2161		2236.2151	Okay?	2236.6114
2162	DCB_int_01	2236.5881	<laugh>	2237.2362
2163	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2237.2968	And	2237.8890
2165		2238.0138	so um- [And I was driving.]	2240.0934
2166	DCB_int_01	2238.9883	[And this was the seventies.]	2240.5364
2167	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2240.3219	[This] was the [seventies.]	2241.5249
2168	DCB_int_01	2241.0027	[Early se- So] it [was like a thing.]	2242.7699
2169	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2241.9772	[Yeah, it was early seventi-]	2242.9378
2170		2243.0171	It was- [It was not-]	2244.1209
2171	DCB_int_01	2243.4227	[It was a thing.]	2244.1209
2172	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2244.3262	Okay, if I can be honest with you,	2245.9302
2174		2246.5178	/RD-NAME-2/ and I- because I got my driver's license at sixteen,	2249.7585
2176		2250.0464	didn't have a car.	2250.7692
2178		2250.9837	We never had a family car.	2252.4198
2180		2252.6576	We never had a family car.	2253.9679
2182		2254.6161	Um, my sisters always had cars. So my- my sister next to me, who is eight years older,	2258.8535
2184		2259.2358	she was working,	2260.1265
2186		2260.3176	um-	2260.5741
2188		2261.5895	Oh, sorry.	2262.0930
2190		2262.3635	She was working	2263.3509
2192		2263.4511	at	2263.7122
2194		2263.8801	/RD-WORK-6/	2265.1438
2196		2265.3792	/RD-WORK-3/. She had worked there for years.	2267.0993
2198		2267.6064	And,	2268.0540
2200		2268.1519	she was living at home still. She had a daughter.	2270.2316
2202		2270.4088	So, she and her daughter were living at home.	2272.0583
2204		2272.4779	So she had money to burn. So she went out and bought a car-	2274.4084
2206		2274.5996	We- She and I got	2275.6627
2208		2275.7420	our driver's license at the same time.	2277.3821
2210		2277.6899	I was sixteen.	2278.5619
2212		2278.7391	She was what? Twenty four.	2279.8581
2214		2280.4643	And then, as soon as she got her driver's license, she went out and bought a car.	2283.7795
2216		2283.9650	Like, little- You know, little	2284.9256
2218		2285.0794	car.	2285.3685
2220		2285.9840	And um,	2287.0379
2222		2287.5228	I would	2288.0357
2224		2288.1616	drive her to work in the morning. She worked out in um,	2290.6411
2226		2291.0421	<ts>	2291.1914
2228		2291.6437	um, Crystal City.	2292.5622
2230		2292.9399	I would drive her before school in the morning,	2294.8552
2232		2294.9578	drop her off and have her car	2296.4127
2234		2296.7950	at- at school.	2297.5690
2236		2297.8022	So I was just- you know, we-	2298.8653
2237	DCB_int_01	2298.8513	Oh, you were it.	2299.5415
2238	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2299.3154	[Leaving-] oh, I was it. I had my girls piling in that tiny little car. <laugh>	2302.7251
2239		2303.1028	And we would go, and we would-	2304.4876
2241		2304.6928	I don't even know where we would go. We would go- Rock Creek Park wasn't far. So we'd go, and we'd drive down to Rock Creek Park.	2309.7929
2243		2310.1566	We'd hang out there. We might smoke some weed hanging out there. Then,	2312.7305
2245		2313.2236	we'd come- Or we'd go- Just ride.	2315.4338
2247		2315.5924	We just r- rode.	2316.6508
2249		2316.7861	You know, we didn't go- No place, no destination in mind. We'd just ride.	2319.4381
2251		2319.7692	There were times we'd even smoke weed in the car.	2321.5877
2253		2321.9421	And if we'd s- You know,	2322.9026
2255		2323.4062	because you know, cigarette smoking was more- I mean, you know, it was just-	2326.3800
2257		2326.7903	It wasn't as-	2327.7462
2259		2328.3524	It's not that it wasn't taboo cause it was illegal,	2330.8377
2261		2331.0697	but	2331.3915
2263		2332.0116	[everybody did it. It had- It totally-]	2333.8721
2264	DCB_int_01	2332.1282	[It had a different- Yeah, it had a very] [different-]	2334.5483
2265	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2334.3804	[It] really did.	2335.2057
2266		2335.3270	It really did.	2335.9331
2268		2336.0171	I mean you could- We would go- I remember going to Howard University to see um,	2340.0074
2270		2340.6508	Santana and some other- And I was probably	2343.3588
2272		2344.5479	fourteen, fifteen. My- my	2346.2172
2274		2346.8094	girlfriend and I went.	2347.6813
2276		2348.2502	And	2348.7107
2278		2349.0511	people were sitting there- Well you could smoke cigarettes then,	2351.2473
2280		2351.3592	/in time/ at Cramton Auditorium.	2352.9446
2282		2353.4808	And um,	2354.3668
2284		2355.3309	we were sitting (laughing)- My girlfriend and I were sitting-	2357.0655
2286		2357.2380	fourteen- probably fourteen.	2358.5343
2288		2358.9446	And there was some college students in front of us, some guys.	2361.6526
2290		2361.9417	And they were smoking a joint.	2363.1447
2292		2363.3592	And they	2363.7556
2294		2363.9607	reached back to us and asked us did we want-	2365.9471
2296		2366.2875	And I was like, oh God no! Cause by th- You know, I was like, oh! Oh! Ah!	2369.0981
2298		2369.2893	No!	2369.5551
2300		2369.6763	No!	2369.9141
2302		2370.5063	And so we were- And we talked about that for weeks,	2373.0289
2304		2373.2796	that, he was- he was offering us a joint!	2375.0421
2306		2375.3685	He was offering- We should have taken it. We should have taken it.	2377.2430
2308		2377.5042	So it was more-	2378.4974
2310		2378.6314	You know it was	2379.1210
2312		2379.2469	open. We would go to concerts at um-	2381.9141
2314		2382.3944	It was the Capital Centre then, which is over in Largo.	2384.7072
2315	DCB_int_01	2384.6979	Mm-hm.	2385.1209
2316	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2385.3169	And	2385.8671
2318		2385.9837	um,	2386.4127
2320		2387.1541	you could smoke weed at the Capital Centre. You know /big/ shows like Parliament-Funkadelic and	2391.5966
2322		2391.9883	um,	2392.5246
2324		2393.2939	you know, War. <sigh>	2394.5949
2326		2394.9026	Man, those- those were the days.	2396.1252
2328		2396.3108	We used to smoke weed in these concerts, and nobody ever said anything.	2399.6250
2330		2399.8535	You wouldn't do it just like,	2400.9772
2332		2401.2430	you're sitting there out in the open but-	2402.8424
2334		2403.1257	And if somebody	2403.7971
2336		2403.9277	came up, you know, you'd be-	2405.2240
2338		2405.3452	But you could smell it reeking [throughout the whole-] So it was a lot more	2408.6512
2339	DCB_int_01	2407.1311	[<laugh>]	2407.4389
2340	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2409.2423	you know, la-	2409.7738
2342		2409.9557	lax,	2410.7297
2343	DCB_int_01	2410.8929	[Mm.]	2411.3499
2344	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2411.2380	[you] know.	2411.5504
2345		2412.0820	Not as highly	2413.0658
2347		2413.1917	policed as it is now.	2414.4507
2349		2415.0697	Um,	2415.4707
2351		2415.8111	so in that regard, I was a little wild child.	2417.8675
2353		2418.2592	I was not	2419.0658
2355		2419.1684	involve- I had a boyfriend,	2420.6186
2357		2420.7538	but sex was	2421.6386
2359		2421.7459	/off/ limits. It was like,	2423.1167
2361		2423.8721	Nope,	2424.4084
2363		2424.6369	not having sex.	2425.5601
2365		2425.7186	I'm- I'm not c- Number one cause I'm scared to death.	2428.1375
2366	DCB_int_01	2428.4748	[<laugh>]	2429.7505
2367	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2428.5945	[I had no idea.]	2429.5271
2368		2429.8162	You know it was- that was not- /RD-NAME-2/ and I both, we were like, uh nope.	2432.9578
2370		2433.2889	If it got to that point, we just let 'em right know- uh, sorry.	2435.9980
2372		2436.3384	You know, and-	2437.0052
2374		2437.4109	and guys were- They kind of understood.	2439.3915
2376		2439.5687	You know, it wasn't like-	2440.6085
2378		2441.2613	I don't know. It was just a whole different time.	2442.7161
2380		2443.2663	Um,	2443.6907
2382		2443.7979	and then,	2444.4088
2384		2444.8925	after high school,	2446.0256
2386		2446.5012	um,	2446.8976
2388		2447.0421	/RD-NAME-2/ went off to /RD-SCHOOL-13/,	2449.4482
2390		2449.5415	and I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. So we kind of separated ways.	2452.5199
2392		2453.0188	And I had other- I mean, we- I had other	2454.7254
2394		2454.9679	friends that I dealt with, but /RD-NAME-2/ was my girl, so when she left,	2457.8205
2396		2458.1702	it was tough. So I would go down and see her on the weekends. And I didn't live on campus, I commuted.	2462.1197
2398		2462.6326	Um,	2462.9578
2400		2463.1816	I was fortunate being the youngest child,	2465.3919
2402		2466.0120	and because I graduated as valedictorian out of my group of thirty five girls- Hey I was still number one.	2470.8883
2403	DCB_int_01	2471.0142	/Yep./	2471.2613
2404	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2471.4338	[Um],	2471.8535
2405	DCB_int_01	2471.4432	[Number one is] number one.	2472.4130
2406	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2472.4270	and my parents who didn't have-	2474.3994
2408		2474.6699	We didn't have	2475.4101
2410		2475.5454	a lot of money.	2476.3007
2412		2476.6644	We weren't-	2477.5690
2414		2477.9421	I never remember wanting for anything. I mean, we had food.	2480.9581
2416		2481.1070	I didn't have the latest of stuff. You know, I didn't have the latest fashions, the latest clothes, /you know/- stuff like that,	2485.1824
2418		2485.4342	but I had clothes. I mean I was-	2486.5906
2420		2486.7258	I was- And none of my	2487.6526
2422		2488.1282	friends or people I hung out with	2489.8675
2424		2489.9701	did either.	2490.5669
2426		2491.1311	Um,	2491.4808
2428		2491.6021	so,	2492.1756
2430		2493.0697	for my graduation gift from high school, they bought me a car.	2495.7509
2432		2496.5669	They bought me a little seventy four Chevy Vega,	2498.7025
2434		2498.9532	and I remember it was something like,	2500.7670
2436		2501.2147	six thousand dollars.	2502.3151
2438		2502.6275	And that was a big deal.	2503.4668
2440		2503.6440	I mean six thousand dollars was a lot of money.	2505.4008
2442		2505.8205	Um, the car note was something like thirty dollars a month.	2508.0773
2444		2508.5809	And my [mother-]	2509.3456
2445	DCB_int_01	2508.8178	[I wish.]	2509.6114
2446	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2509.7606	My mother, God bless her, she um,	2511.8298
2448		2512.8556	handled all that	2513.7509
2450		2514.6322	herself. She went- I'll never forget her taking a cab	2517.7365
2452		2518.1982	to what is now	2518.8556
2454		2519.1074	Geico.	2519.6996
2456		2519.8768	It used to be called Criterion Insurance.	2521.6813
2458		2522.1057	But um,	2522.6920
2460		2523.2329	up on Wisconsin Avenue, she took	2524.6831
2462		2524.8370	to get me insurance,	2525.9794
2464		2526.4130	caught the cab back, so that I when I walked out	2528.8273
2466		2528.9532	of my high school graduation,	2530.4546
2468		2530.7577	that car was sitting there waiting for me, insured,	2532.8747
2470		2532.9959	everything. I mean it was-	2533.9145
2472		2534.5347	God bless her soul. My mother was just a saint.	2536.9069
2474		2537.2986	Um-	2537.7835
2476		2538.7208	um-	2539.0565
2477	DCB_int_01	2539.0798	Because she didn't drive.	2539.9745
2478	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2539.9518	She did not drive.	2540.8890
2479		2541.2189	She did not drive.	2542.1609
2481		2542.6038	And	2543.2613
2483		2543.4012	um,	2543.8955
2485		2545.1684	she was- Oh, God. I'm gonna cry again.	2547.3961
2487		2547.8438	She was um-	2548.9209
2489		2551.0892	I'm sorry.	2551.7280
2490	DCB_int_01	2551.8679	No, that's fine.	2553.0418
2491	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2553.0604	<laugh>	2553.4148
2492	DCB_int_01	2553.7039	It's [okay.]	2554.1888
2493	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2554.0862	[Um],	2554.5572
2494		2555.6716	my dad was	2556.3944
2496		2556.5110	more quiet and reserved.	2558.1150
2497	DCB_int_01	2558.4775	Mm.	2558.8319
2498	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2559.1956	And	2559.6852
2500		2560.4033	he went out- He would be up at four in the morning	2562.7021
2502		2563.1358	cause his route was downtown, like the businesses downtown.	2565.8158
2504		2566.3753	Down M Street.	2567.2846
2506		2567.7649	Um,	2568.1939
2508		2568.4457	and	2568.9633
2510		2569.0845	um,	2569.4482
2512		2569.7513	he would get up first- I mean he would be gone. He'd be home like, you know, two o'clock	2573.4198
2514		2573.9141	from work. And my mother was a homemaker,	2576.1197
2516		2576.2316	but she ran the house. I mean she was	2578.2634
2518		2578.5945	five foot two of	2579.9747
2520		2580.1566	energy, fire,	2581.4575
2522		2582.0917	love like you would not believe. I mean just-	2584.4826
2524		2585.7276	I mean,	2586.1519
2526		2586.6182	you know, she was just	2587.7093
2528		2588.4927	a jewel.	2588.9497
2530		2589.3402	And um,	2590.0256
2532		2591.1401	everybody in the neighborhood	2592.2871
2534		2592.4970	knew my mother. If you came to my mother for anything, and she- Like I said, we didn't have a lot-	2596.4220
2536		2596.6784	She would feed you. She di- I- I-	2598.3990
2538		2599.3829	I- I- I don't know, /and/ miraculously we would have food to feed	2602.1702
2540		2602.5525	you know these guys in the neighborhood that my dad used to	2604.8420
2542		2604.9260	you know, do the baseball thing- They'd come in. They would eat.	2607.3355
2544		2607.8205	Um,	2608.3380
2546		2609.1914	if she had a dollar, and you needed	2611.1638
2548		2611.5135	ninety cents,	2612.4787
2550		2612.6046	she'd give it to you.	2613.3542
2552		2613.5360	You know, everybody-	2614.3847
2554		2614.8510	everybody knew	2615.4851
2556		2615.7742	my mother for that. She was just very giving and very	2618.2222
2558		2618.7806	um,	2619.0371
2560		2619.7086	kind.	2620.2494
2562		2620.7670	And- But she was a fire cracker.	2622.3384
2564		2622.5249	You know, it was just	2623.3829
2566		2623.7280	she	2624.2642
2568		2625.1630	at times- And she didn't do it all the time, but when she was mad, she could curse like a sailor. She went to church every Sunday, was on her	2630.3528
2570		2630.4600	choir.	2631.1209
2572		2631.4195	She was a very- We used to always said, if you- say, if you needed to talk to God,	2634.8513
2574		2635.2290	get my mother to pray for you, because she had a direct connection	2637.6433
2576		2637.7925	Cause she was just (laughing)-	2638.6691
2578		2639.4758	So um,	2640.2125
2580		2640.5902	but	2640.8560
2582		2641.0705	she would um-	2642.2782
2584		2643.2936	We knew not-	2644.2355
2586		2645.1401	As- as	2645.7882
2588		2646.0307	kids	2646.7021
2590		2646.7954	growing up, we knew that	2648.6279
2592		2649.1770	there were certain lines we did not [cross.]	2651.0841
2593	DCB_int_01	2650.4884	[Cross. Mm-hm.]	2651.3452
2594	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2651.6017	And-	2651.9887
2596		2652.1053	and not so much that my mother would-	2653.8212
2598		2654.0497	would whip you and	2654.9170
2600		2655.0651	punish you and-	2655.5454
2602		2655.8624	It was cause we didn't want to disappoint her.	2658.0913
2604		2658.4317	You know what I mean?	2658.9633
2606		2659.0612	It was more that than anything.	2660.3854
2608		2660.6827	It was the fear of-	2661.7365
2610		2662.1142	of M- Mom	2662.9489
2612		2663.3126	being upset with us	2664.7674
2614		2664.8607	or disappointed with us	2666.3481
2616		2666.5486	versus-	2667.2050
2618		2667.8111	Cause she never like,	2668.5805
2620		2668.7204	whipped us or /unintelligible/-	2669.4665
2622		2669.6157	I never got a spanking.	2670.6089
2624		2670.7954	My- my	2671.2850
2626		2671.5088	siblings would always say, well yeah, Mom used to smack me across the head, or whatever.	2674.4593
2628		2674.9023	You know, but	2675.4478
2630		2675.7416	w-	2675.9701
2632		2676.2871	w- I never witnessed anything. And I never-	2678.7631
2634		2679.1630	You know.	2679.4754
2636		2679.5687	Thank God.	2680.0070
2638		2680.8929	Well I don't know if that's thank God or not. Maybe I	2682.6229
2640		2682.9166	needed a couple of	2683.6860
2641	DCB_int_01	2683.9068	[<laugh>]	2685.8997
2642	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2684.0217	[knocks upside the head. I don't know (laughing).]	2685.8951
2643		2686.5385	But um,	2687.2007
2645		2688.2685	yeah, so	2688.9726
2647		2689.5275	she um-	2690.3715
2649		2690.6827	She saved up, and she saved up. She didn't put the-	2692.8836
2651		2693.1587	She had a bank account, but the money that she saved,	2695.3503
2653		2695.7653	she- she saved at home so that when she-	2698.1439
2655		2698.9162	No, that was the first- Okay, so my first car	2700.9772
2657		2701.2524	was	2701.7513
2659		2701.9005	the-	2702.1430
2661		2702.3248	the seventy four Vega.	2703.4195
2663		2704.1375	So um,	2705.0794
2665		2705.9001	you know, and I was working- /Oh you know/- little- not getting paid	2708.4274
2667		2708.6606	at all, but	2709.3448
2669		2709.8484	um- And I was still living at home,	2711.4604
2671		2711.5830	and I still lived at home until I actually moved out.	2714.1430
2673		2714.3621	I had moved out once with my girlfriend. We	2716.1795
2675		2716.7437	got an apartment, and it just	2718.2219
2677		2718.3944	you know.	2718.7534
2679		2719.0192	It- [I was-]	2719.5741
2680	DCB_int_01	2719.2803	[/Didn't work./]	2719.6067
2681	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2719.7746	I never had money. It was like, everything went to rent. It was like, <error sound> I can't do this. I'm moving [back home.]	2723.5271
2682	DCB_int_01	2723.1727	[Mm-hm.]	2723.6110
2683	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2724.0726	And so my mother welcomed me with open arms,	2726.3901
2685		2726.8506	and um,	2727.7319
2687		2728.1515	sh- so um-	2729.2380
2689		2729.6670	So when I finished college-	2731.3549
2691		2731.6161	Even before I finished college,	2733.0243
2693		2733.4055	my- my Vega died. I had that car- I-	2735.7323
2695		2736.0913	We got every dime's worth out of that car. I mean, it-	2738.6380
2697		2739.0464	The last time I drove that car, it went only twenty five miles an hour.	2742.2219
2699		2742.3011	It was just- I-	2743.2897
2701		2743.4622	I drove that car	2744.2642
2703		2745.0557	eight, ten years, right?	2746.2821
2705		2746.9722	And um, cars weren't made	2748.5483
2707		2748.8560	like they are now. So um,	2750.3656
2709		2751.3542	anyway, so I needed another car	2753.1960
2711		2753.7369	so I could get back to forth to school and- and to work and all.	2756.5729
2713		2756.7200	And	2757.2050
2715		2757.7645	my mother used to p- play the lottery,	2759.9094
2717		2760.5203	and she says, if I hit- Our address was six twenty five.	2763.4754
2719		2763.8111	To this day, that is like a magic number in our family.	2766.1333
2721		2766.5063	She says, if that six twenty five comes out, I'm buying you a car.	2769.5733
2723		2770.8230	Lo and behold,	2771.6903
2725		2771.7649	six twenty five came out.	2773.0985
2727		2773.7326	My mother- We walked- We-	2775.3215
2729		2775.5174	Walk-	2775.7179
2731		2776.1142	We went to the	2777.2660
2733		2777.3592	Mazda dealer-	2778.3664
2735		2778.5343	My brother-in-law took us over there-	2780.1197
2737		2780.5988	um, in Arlington.	2781.6339
2739		2781.9557	And she pulled out this sack of money,	2783.6944
2741		2784.2638	and she	2784.8047
2743		2785.1404	had	2785.5554
2745		2785.8818	eleven thousand dollars cash	2787.5220
2747		2787.9137	that she paid for my car.	2789.0794
2749		2789.6297	This was the second car she had bought me!	2791.1638
2751		2791.3876	And I'm like, in my	2792.3761
2753		2792.4694	twenty- Like early twenties.	2793.8857
2755		2794.5106	And	2795.0375
2757		2795.2333	I was like-	2795.9234
2759		2796.0167	I- Mom, I can't believe th- I- You know.	2798.4134
2760	DCB_int_01	2798.9718	What?	2799.3262
2761	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2800.3241	[I know.]	2800.8603
2762	DCB_int_01	2800.3241	[Wow.]	2801.0608
2763	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2801.3079	Right?	2801.5970
2764	DCB_int_01	2801.9607	[And this is the] seventies.	2803.2151
2765	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2801.9654	[I know.]	2802.4690
2766		2803.2617	This was the se-	2803.8539
2768		2804.1523	This [was-]	2804.9310
2769	DCB_int_01	2804.7771	[Or] early [eighties?]	2805.7598
2770	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2805.1304	[By this t- This was] early eighties.	2806.6458
2771	DCB_int_01	2806.5759	But seven-	2807.1028
2772		2807.1914	eleven thousand dollars c- It's a lot.	2808.9633
2774		2809.7466	That's a lot of [money.]	2810.6128
2775	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2810.3108	[So she] had been saving,	2811.7925
2776		2812.1982	and then when she hit that lottery for that six twenty five,	2815.2290
2778		2815.5834	she-	2815.9238
2780		2816.3715	It was not even a question. It was like,	2818.2821
2782		2819.1447	six twenty five?	2820.0866
2784		2820.9586	Let's go o- And my brother in law, who is my oldest sister's husband,	2824.1795
2786		2824.6738	um-	2825.0981
2788		2825.2893	You know,	2825.6064
2790		2825.7043	but they were established. They were, you know-	2827.8958
2792		2828.3715	So she used to always kind of	2829.8578
2794		2830.4826	defer to him, u- You know, like he went and negotiated the car deal, all that kind of stuff.	2834.2502
2796		2834.6559	With this second car that she paid cash,	2836.7639
2798		2836.9582	it was she and I.	2837.6996
2800		2838.2312	And	2838.7068
2802		2838.9633	she-	2839.4342
2804		2839.9471	We had no negotiating skills,	2841.5174
2806		2841.6946	but she eng- She got that guy	2844.1519
2808		2844.7581	wrapped around her finger.	2845.7109
2810		2845.7886	Not trying- Not intentionally, just her-	2847.9277
2812		2848.3707	But when he saw what she was trying to do,	2850.1939
2814		2850.6742	I mean it was just-	2851.7699
2816		2852.1849	And then,	2852.6407
2818		2852.9905	s- I was so happy. I was so excited. I was so happy.	2855.7696
2820		2856.1379	And then I started feeling guilty, like oh my God. I can't believe my mother just took all her money	2860.7530
2822		2861.0981	and dropped it down	2862.0960
2824		2862.2452	on a car for me.	2863.1572
2826		2863.7979	And	2864.3668
2828		2865.3122	I-	2865.5407
2830		2865.6712	All I could think about was,	2866.8510
2832		2866.9302	when I graduate	2867.7229
2834		2868.0260	from college-	2868.8374
2836		2869.2430	I- I already knew. I- I w- I had majored in computers-	2872.1296
2838		2872.2588	in Computer Information Systems.	2873.6250
2840		2873.9467	I knew I was gonna work for /RD-WORK-3/.	2875.1734
2842		2875.6021	My neighbor had worked for /RD-WORK-3/, this guy I had known for years and years.	2878.4639
2844		2878.6971	I said, I'm working for /RD-WORK-3/.	2879.8115
2846		2880.1333	So when I came out-	2881.1999
2848		2881.5741	<laugh>	2881.8026
2850		2881.9285	like who do I think I am? I took	2883.2283
2852		2883.3682	a couple months off.	2884.1655
2854		2884.4173	Oh I'll get serious about looking for a job	2886.1752
2856		2886.4923	in September.	2887.2104
2858		2887.4948	I-	2887.7093
2860		2888.0439	So stupid when you're young.	2889.3635
2862		2889.8624	And um,	2890.4080
2864		2890.5152	so I start sending out applications. I went to this interview at Honeywell, went through this excruciating interview process.	2896.0583
2866		2896.4220	You know, had to take like this aptitude test, just knew I had the job.	2899.3410
2868		2900.2782	They called me	2901.0697
2870		2901.2050	to tell me,	2902.0583
2872		2902.8043	sorry, we've offered it to another person.	2904.5762
2874		2904.8094	And I remember telling them,	2906.0171
2876		2906.1243	well you've made a major mistake	2907.5314
2878		2908.6178	because	2909.2007
2880		2909.5457	I am the person that should have that job.	2911.0332
2882		2911.1404	I was	2911.4435
2884		2911.5974	devastated.	2912.1663
2886		2912.2549	I was-	2912.5720
2888		2912.7771	cause I just knew that was gonna be the job that I had.	2914.5106
2889		2914.8183	I had already applied to /RD-WORK-3/, and I had already	2917.1964
2891		2917.6161	gone to their central employment and interviewed.	2920.3380
2893		2920.7297	And the guy there, um, /RD-NAME-4/,	2922.8467
2895		2923.2197	um,	2923.7653
2897		2924.5288	said to me,	2925.2842
2899		2925.6526	You know,	2926.0723
2901		2926.6598	you have everything we're looking for,	2928.1053
2903		2928.4597	but nobody ever gets hired from this chair. What I- What we do is we take your application and put it on file, and when there's an opening in our-	2935.1358
2905		2935.6114	you know, in the branches in the regions,	2937.2469
2907		2937.6992	we s- we send,	2938.5805
2909		2938.7344	you know, resumes over.	2939.8721
2911		2940.5389	That was like	2940.9726
2913		2941.1031	September.	2941.7979
2915		2942.3808	And	2942.8844
2917		2943.2516	by the time I had gone through all this interview with Honeywell, it was like,	2946.9819
2919		2947.3829	the end of November.	2948.3901
2921		2948.9532	And when Honeywell told me that	2950.6085
2923		2950.9162	I did not get the job,	2951.9514
2925		2952.1006	I was so devastated.	2953.3036
2927		2953.3736	I left the house,	2954.4321
2929		2954.8039	and I drove to Rock Creek Park- this is a true story-	2957.2240
2931		2957.6064	I rode to Rock Creek Park,	2958.9586
2933		2959.0612	and I went and I sat down on the rocks-	2960.9998
2935		2961.6200	Um, I've told my daughter this story. She says, Mom, please don't tell me this story again.	2964.5529
2937		2964.9866	And	2965.3316
2939		2965.4389	I was just crying. I was so upset cause I was like, I'm never gonna get a job- you know? What am I gonna do? I did all this to think I could get a job.	2971.4389
2941		2972.0777	And um,	2973.0196
2943		2974.1842	honestly,	2974.6831
2945		2975.0142	this butterfly- this m- monarch butterfly came and	2978.1803
2947		2978.5813	sat probably where you are from me.	2980.2706
2948	DCB_int_01	2980.4919	Mm-hm.	2980.7484
2949	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	2980.8603	And it just sat there, and I- and I wasn't even paying attention. I just happened to look over, and I was like, there's a butterfly.	2985.1209
2951		2985.7552	And then I just kept looking it, and it didn't move. It s- It was there for like ten minutes.	2989.3736
2953		2990.0824	And	2990.6839
2955		2992.2541	finally it flew away, and I was like,	2993.7742
2957		2993.9328	wow.	2994.4270
2959		2995.2524	I- you know,	2995.9238
2961		2996.2631	that butterfly just sat there for /like a-/	2997.8065
2963		2998.3940	I got home,	2999.2426
2965		3000.2032	and by this time, I don't know. It's probably like eight o'clock at night.	3003.2796
2967		3003.8671	My mother said,	3004.7903
2969		3005.6343	/RD-NAME-2/, somebody from /RD-WORK-3/ called you.	3007.4342
2971		3008.2595	I said,	3008.5673
2973		3009.0138	what?	3009.3075
2975		3009.4707	She said- and she said, her name is	3010.8696
2977		3011.2613	S- her name was /RD-NAME-4/. She said- and she said, whatever time you come in just call her.	3015.3309
2979		3016.7530	Nine o'clock at night, I'm calling this woman. And she says, oh yeah, hi. I just wanted to um,	3020.9310
2981		3021.5360	call	3022.0023
2983		3022.1002	and invite you to ha-	3023.2939
2985		3023.4338	an interview	3024.0540
2987		3024.1333	up here in our office on East West Highway in Bethesda.	3026.2968
2989		3027.0884	I was like,	3027.5500
2991		3027.6899	oh my God!	3028.4453
2993		3028.5525	So I went up,	3029.5619
2995		3029.6810	and I had this interview with her.	3031.1358
2997		3031.5321	Okay, now,	3032.0824
2999		3032.1616	this was truly out of my comfort zone,	3033.5827
3001		3033.7272	okay?	3034.0769
3003		3034.4360	Little girl from Lamont Street neighborhood,	3036.5389
3005		3036.9633	went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	3038.1197
3007		3038.4694	and here I am, up in these offices of /RD-WORK-3/.	3040.5898
3009		3040.7764	Right?	3041.0655
3011		3041.5551	Um,	3042.0074
3013		3043.1917	the candidates that they had were all Harvard grads. They went to, you know, Columbia. They,	3047.9048
3015		3048.2638	you know-	3048.5576
3017		3048.6369	I'm super intimidated, right?	3050.4600
3018	DCB_int_01	3050.5207	<laugh>	3050.8471
3019	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3050.8179	So I go in and I meet with this woman, /RD-NAME-2/, and she was sweet as can be. Sweet as- really nice.	3055.8679
3020		3056.2782	And we would- we would, you know, typical interview questions, and she- she was asking me about school and	3060.9260
3022		3061.4016	you know, I had my spiel together. You know, I was like, well you know,	3063.7272
3024		3064.0909	um-	3064.4593
3026		3065.0841	And at the time,	3065.9607
3028		3066.0866	um, /RD-SCHOOL-3/	3067.2803
3030		3067.9704	had some of the top paid professors.	3070.1375
3032		3070.5339	Cause I think they were tryna build it up- Whatever.	3072.1799
3034		3072.4503	So I mentioned that, and I said, you know, um-	3074.8144
3036		3075.2656	and	3075.7412
3038		3075.8624	you know, we're using	3076.7950
3040		3076.8976	the same textbooks as other universities. And I said, going to a school like /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	3081.2936
3042		3081.6013	you have to want	3082.3940
3044		3082.6225	to learn.	3083.1307
3046		3083.3173	[You have to] want to get something out of it.	3085.2710
3047	DCB_int_01	3083.3359	[/Mm-hm/.]	3083.9094
3048	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3085.4016	You know what I mean?	3085.8912
3050		3086.1989	And I think I worked harder	3087.7225
3052		3088.0583	realizing that-	3089.3825
3054		3089.8255	You know, having waited	3091.1591
3056		3091.2803	to understand what I really wanted to do,	3093.1209
3058		3093.4568	now I can focus on-	3094.3893
3060		3094.6038	I had some- You know, I had it all down.	3096.4037
3062		3096.8793	Went- I had- I interviewed with like four different people.	3099.7505
3064		3100.0210	Um,	3100.3241
3066		3101.3452	and	3101.9281
3068		3103.0192	the last interview was with the branch manager.	3105.7459
3070		3105.9277	And	3106.2961
3072		3106.4500	I was so nervous cause he was like the top guy.	3108.5063
3074		3109.0798	And	3109.5135
3076		3109.6534	I walked in and he said,	3111.1209
3078		3111.6013	so, do you wanna-	3112.1935
3080		3112.3147	Do you wanna work here?	3113.1354
3082		3113.7882	I said, I absolutely do. He says, okay. He says, then	3116.3868
3084		3116.8786	make an appointment to go over and get your health assessment,	3119.2240
3085	DCB_int_01	3119.6483	[<laugh>]	3120.1426
3086	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3119.6530	[and then-]	3120.0913
3087		3121.3410	And I was like, oh my God. I can't even-	3123.4288
3089		3123.5640	I- okay, what?	3124.4546
3091		3124.8370	So I made an appointment, went over h-	3126.2545
3093		3126.4270	gave me a complete physical	3127.7559
3095		3127.8632	over there, right?	3128.5393
3097		3129.0045	Um,	3129.4521
3099		3129.8298	and when I left,	3130.9535
3101		3131.9514	the n- You know, like a couple days later, they	3133.9005
3103		3134.0357	made me an offer.	3134.9403
3105		3136.0163	And I started off	3136.9116
3107		3137.0421	in nineteen eighty three,	3138.4597
3109		3138.6369	December first, working at /RD-WORK-3/,	3140.8086
3111		3141.2982	making twenty five thousand dollars a year.	3143.1820
3113		3143.8208	I thought that was the big-	3144.6975
3115		3144.7861	Twenty five five	3146.0077
3117		3146.7247	as a systems engineer.	3147.9464
3119		3148.0583	And you couldn't tell me that I was not on top of the world.	3150.5016
3121		3150.8747	And that just made- that just-	3152.0859
3123		3153.0744	My faith was- was	3154.8276
3125		3155.6250	off the charts.	3156.4550
3127		3156.5622	You know what I mean? And I- And I- To this day, I believe that butterfly	3159.6433
3128	DCB_int_01	3159.9986	[Was a]	3160.2784
3129	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3160.0629	[was] a [sign]	3160.8883
3130	DCB_int_01	3160.5582	[sign.] [Mm-hm.]	3161.4675
3131	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3161.2706	[that it's] gonna be okay.	3162.2592
3132		3162.4363	You know?	3162.7954
3134		3163.3746	Here I go again. This is emotional, talking about your- This is your life.	3166.2190
3136		3166.7214	Um,	3167.1644
3138		3167.7845	and I was there for eighteen year-	3169.3886
3140		3169.4958	very successful career there, met my husband there.	3172.3017
3142		3172.9172	And um,	3173.7193
3144		3175.2534	/RD-WORK-3/ was fat, dumb and happy at that point. I mean it was-	3178.0406
3146		3179.4488	it w- we were the only computer guy in town,	3181.5145
3148		3181.7476	and nobody else could touch us. And then the	3183.4624
3150		3183.6210	personal computer came around, and /RD-WORK-3/ said, oops.	3186.1855
3152		3186.4933	We dropped the ball on that one. So,	3188.0787
3154		3188.6103	you know, they were doing a lot of restructuring.	3190.2924
3156		3190.3950	<clears throat>	3190.7867
3158		3190.9033	Um,	3191.2017
3160		3191.8498	I went through three	3193.0202
3162		3193.3326	or- reorganizations where my department was gone.	3196.0453
3164		3196.5629	The great thing about /RD-WORK-3/ is it's a huge company. You can always find	3199.8316
3166		3200.3165	other	3200.7035
3168		3200.8796	openings, and I managed to always find other openings.	3203.3789
3170		3203.8358	Um,	3204.2042
3172		3204.4560	almost ended up moving to New York	3206.1160
3174		3206.2186	to take a job there,	3207.3283
3176		3207.7795	but decided I didn't wanna move to-	3209.1271
3178		3209.2716	to New York.	3210.0583
3180		3210.1622	Um,	3210.6612
3182		3211.2394	ended up	3211.7756
3184		3212.0041	staying here,	3213.0940
3186		3213.5417	worked for /RD-WORK-3/ research, which was a very very technical job.	3216.6658
3188		3216.7731	Hor- most horrible job I've ever had.	3218.4797
3190		3218.7968	It was reading technical documents,	3220.7447
3192		3221.3089	um,	3221.7426
3194		3222.4513	to- because it-	3223.1974
3196		3223.3186	/RD-WORK-3/ research was where	3225.1838
3198		3225.6303	you know, all of the-	3226.3857
3200		3226.7307	We used to call 'em propellor heads and the ones that wear the pocket protectors, you know.	3229.8176
3202		3230.4377	They [come up with these-]	3231.0626
3203	DCB_int_01	3230.5608	[<laugh>]	3233.4022
3204	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3231.1453	[all these ridiculous ideas (laughing).]	3233.3929
3205	DCB_int_01	3233.4516	She said and the pocket [protectors.]	3234.8266
3206	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3234.1669	[I know it.] And um,	3235.6404
3207		3236.0973	it was up to us- we were in Market Analysis. What we had to do was to- to search	3240.2602
3209		3240.6472	the market to see if there was a need for it	3242.6289
3211		3243.1034	and to see what other	3244.5069
3213		3244.8893	consultants were saying and to s- and to see if anybody else was doing it. So I had to	3248.6476
3215		3248.7408	pour through these technical reports	3250.3017
3217		3250.6375	and then write	3251.3186
3219		3251.4068	summaries and recommendations.	3253.4259
3221		3254.9880	Oh my gosh.	3255.7002
3223		3256.1152	Seriously, that was the worst job I ever had. I was there for like a year,	3259.0109
3225		3259.3186	then September Eleventh happened.	3260.8434
3227		3261.2899	Um,	3261.7562
3229		3262.7913	my sister worked at the Pentagon,	3264.4187
3231		3264.9549	and	3265.3653
3233		3265.6450	she was one of the victims at the Pentagon.	3267.4857
3235		3267.9520	And	3268.5209
3236	DCB_int_01	3268.6048	Mm.	3268.8240
3237	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3268.9452	I totally disengaged	3270.3534
3239		3270.9876	from my job.	3271.6264
3241		3272.1253	It was- I told my-	3273.1733
3243		3273.6909	my boss-	3274.3903
3245		3274.4929	I said, look, you know,	3275.4954
3247		3275.6167	I- We're going through this right now. I-	3277.0762
3249		3277.3000	We didn't ev- We were s- We were like,	3279.0859
3251		3279.2572	stuck- We had no idea what was going on. It was so	3282.0690
3253		3282.7498	extraordinary,	3283.8689
3255		3284.4237	it was hard to know how to react, you know. And the process of	3287.7706
3257		3288.6005	you know, pulling into the parking lot, hearing on the radio that it-	3291.3645
3259		3292.1618	the tower was hit	3293.4395
3261		3293.5467	in New York.	3294.3068
3263		3295.3793	There was rumor that the plane went into the Pentagon,	3297.5837
3265		3297.9474	so I called my sister immediately.	3299.5934
3267		3299.8032	Her voicemail came on, and I said, look, call me	3302.2652
3269		3302.3760	ASAP. Let me know everything's okay.	3304.2038
3271		3305.0665	Nothing. I got into my office. I called her again. The phone just rang and rang and rang and rang.	3309.0532
3273		3309.6163	Called her again,	3310.5582
3275		3310.6934	and there was- it- the phone just went dead, like- And I- I was cursing the cell phone cause I was like, these daggone cell phones don't work, and	3316.6701
3277		3317.2809	um,	3317.6820
3279		3318.3627	my husband called me and say, come home.	3319.9621
3281		3320.5403	You know, Just come home because	3321.9753
3283		3322.6934	/RD-NAME-2/ this is w- This is a big deal, and	3325.2860
3285		3325.9155	they might be targeting large cooperations. You have no idea. Just come home. So I left,	3329.7185
3287		3330.1902	went home,	3330.8430
3289		3331.0715	We're- My family's calling- My- Her son, who was in	3334.0733
3291		3334.5162	Indiana at the time, he was- he was	3336.1436
3293		3336.2695	an adult.	3336.6752
3295		3336.8104	He was in school.	3337.5518
3297		3337.6544	No, he didn't finish school.	3338.4610
3299		3338.9693	He's calling, wondering if we had heard from her.	3340.8053
3301		3341.3462	Um,	3341.7193
3303		3342.3208	by- by night we called her house. Nothing.	3344.9273
3305		3345.4111	Um,	3345.9054
3307		3346.4836	so we're calling h- i- By night time, we're calling hospitals.	3349.1927
3309		3349.4818	We're c- We're calling [every place we could] possibly call,	3351.9986
3310	DCB_int_01	3350.3912	[/Imaginable/]	3351.4042
3311	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3352.4836	and nothing. The next day came, we went through the whole process-	3355.2114
3313		3355.5611	We ended- So my husband	3357.1512
3315		3357.6163	and my	3358.2924
3317		3358.5395	nephew,	3359.2623
3319		3359.4162	um,	3359.8545
3321		3360.3021	after like a couple of days,	3361.7709
3323		3362.3491	found out	3363.0999
3325		3363.2013	that	3363.6256
3327		3364.2085	there was this um,	3365.6260
3329		3366.5586	over at	3367.0202
3331		3367.1601	the Sheridan in Crystal City, they had sort of a	3369.1838
3333		3369.7748	makeshift control	3371.0338
3335		3372.0223	room or something,	3373.0342
3337		3373.5798	so	3374.0367
3339		3374.1253	they rode over there, and	3375.6443
3341		3376.0546	they	3376.3157
3343		3376.6515	came back to tell us all the s- You know, they had set up family	3379.8129
3345		3380.3724	rooms and	3381.3692
3347		3381.9474	um,	3382.2598
3349		3382.3717	it was- it was-	3383.0991
3351		3383.4115	The way the g- The way the government handled it,	3385.5378
3353		3385.7290	the mili-	3386.0414
3355		3386.1766	duc- department defense handled it-	3387.6722
3357		3388.1525	/Hats off to them./	3389.0152
3359		3389.3416	I mean they c- They accommodated us so much, tried to give us as much information-	3393.4110
3361		3393.7189	We spent so much time over at that hotel, just trying to-	3396.4886
3363		3396.8990	and f- and we had to get DNA samples. We had-	3399.1325
3365		3399.4484	By this time, we were- we	3400.8053
3367		3401.1690	were pretty	3401.6820
3369		3401.9990	certain that,	3402.7824
3370	DCB_int_01	3402.9503	[Mm.]	3403.2673
3371	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3402.9643	[you know.]	3403.3093
3372		3403.8129	So they um,	3404.7303
3374		3405.0194	ended up	3405.4951
3376		3406.0639	doing a graphic of where the plane hit,	3408.5679
3378		3409.3233	and you know, the Pentagon is huge.	3411.1745
3380		3411.5230	And they had this green slice like this,	3413.9990
3382		3414.4327	and they- they	3415.1508
3384		3415.2720	had a-	3415.6124
3386		3415.7476	a young man-	3416.4506
3388		3416.6138	mili-	3416.8096
3390		3416.9075	you know,	3417.2013
3392		3417.4531	soldier standing there,	3418.6281
3394		3418.9965	and he says,	3419.6913
3396		3420.2368	um-	3420.6052
3398		3420.8757	You just had to tell him what	3422.1113
3400		3422.6044	office your-	3423.3458
3402		3423.4671	your family member was in, and he could tell you on the chart,	3426.1389
3404		3426.6099	where that office was- wh- if they were affected.	3428.5776
3406		3429.3785	So we told him,	3430.4883
3408		3430.9452	and he pointed right to the green slice.	3433.2300
3410		3434.1300	And then he just stood right back at attention. He didn't say anything or any-	3437.2203
3412		3437.8871	And it was- She was in the direct impact	3440.1906
3414		3440.5170	zone.	3440.8481
3416		3441.5790	[And]	3442.1992
3417	DCB_int_01	3441.5790	[Oh wow (whispers).]	3442.1992
3418	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3443.4768	um,	3443.9617
3420		3446.3538	it was just-	3446.9646
3422		3447.1080	I- Man. It was- that- it was- That was a time.	3449.1224
3424		3449.7985	In hindsight,	3450.7824
3426		3452.2372	it's a blessing	3452.9740
3428		3453.1687	because I'm hoping that it happened (snaps) just like that, and she didn't know what happened.	3456.0363
3430		3457.0284	You know, rather than-	3458.1737
3431	DCB_int_01	3459.2835	[Suffering (whispers).]	3459.7731
3432	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3459.6285	[Yeah.] So,	3460.4399
3433		3461.3958	anyway, and it took a long long time for them to find any of her remains.	3464.7758
3435		3465.2788	Um,	3465.5586
3437		3465.6985	we	3465.9829
3439		3466.3326	had to wait mon- months before we could-	3468.4484
3441		3468.6070	before we did a-	3469.3297
3443		3469.4603	like a memorial service for her. So it was-	3471.4746
3445		3472.1741	Anyway. Not to dwell on that, but- but um,	3474.5230
3447		3475.3111	so after- during that process, I was totally disengaged from /RD-WORK-3/.	3478.8036
3449		3479.4564	And at that point, because of all the restructuring	3482.1504
3451		3482.6959	they were having packages that they were offering people.	3485.2839
3453		3485.4925	You know, if you retire early, you know, you get so many	3487.8286
3455		3488.2996	months severance pay, and you can	3489.9036
3457		3490.0202	have your bene- full benefits, all that.	3491.6196
3459		3491.9355	I to- I told my husband, I'm- I'm done.	3493.3530
3461		3493.5768	I can't- I can't do that anymore. I'm- I'm done.	3495.7218
3463		3496.3653	And	3496.8549
3465		3496.9388	he was very supportive. My kids were young too. They were-	3499.5722
3467		3500.2623	My guess is like, nine.	3501.5586
3469		3502.3233	Eight and nine?	3503.0181
3471		3503.4983	Um,	3503.9227
3473		3504.3645	and	3504.9240
3475		3505.6235	I just-	3506.1177
3477		3506.2903	You know, it was just- I couldn't deal with it. I felt like I had to be with my family. You know, protect my kids. /You know/ just-	3511.3297
3479		3511.6701	It was such an uncertain time,	3513.1016
3480		3513.5493	and um,	3514.4072
3482		3515.7548	he was just sort of, what are you gonna do there? You know, what-	3518.3742
3484		3518.6586	I mean,	3519.0410
3486		3519.3767	y- y- we were a two income home.	3520.7709
3488		3520.9948	What are you gonna- And /RD-WORK-3/ was	3522.2164
3490		3522.4111	paying a- a decent salary	3523.8566
3492		3524.2063	after being there for eighteen years, and it was like, I don't even care.	3526.5471
3494		3526.9948	I don't care. I'm not doing anything.	3528.2677
3496		3528.6583	If I have to go to work at	3529.4043
3498		3529.9872	Giant or some other- I'm- I'm not doing that anymore. I'm done.	3532.8455
3500		3533.4144	And um,	3534.2864
3502		3534.5976	as time went on	3535.7680
3504		3536.3929	um,	3536.8218
3506		3537.7637	this young lady had told me about	3539.4191
3508		3540.0567	George Washington University having this event management	3542.3602
3510		3542.6213	thing,	3542.9850
3512		3543.1063	you know.	3543.5073
3514		3543.8570	And I had done s-	3544.6124
3516		3544.8036	some of that in a- in a couple jobs I had at /RD-WORK-3/. And I've-	3547.3997
3518		3547.5629	and I was good cause I was creative. I-	3549.3068
3520		3549.9829	I was good at that particular	3551.1300
3522		3551.3072	kind of thing cause I was	3552.2864
3524		3552.4251	creative. I through a l-	3553.4836
3526		3553.6188	some great branch office meetings. It was	3555.7125
3528		3555.9969	crazy.	3556.3093
3530		3556.5145	I used to write scripts for little	3557.8854
3532		3559.0499	skits that we would do. I mean it was- it was-	3561.0410
3534		3561.2508	that was	3561.6332
3536		3561.8477	great.	3562.0995
3538		3562.5331	So I end up- I said, okay, I'll j- I'll just take a class and see.	3565.0360
3540		3565.5535	So the first day-	3566.8871
3542		3566.9944	The first evening that I was supposed to go down to GW,	3569.8900
3544		3570.3831	um,	3570.7002
3546		3570.8494	just for the	3571.4183
3548		3571.7354	orientation,	3572.5188
3550		3572.6773	just to see what it was all about.	3573.9176
3552		3574.2300	I had my daughter in the car,	3575.3911
3554		3576.2899	and I was pulling out of my neighborhood,	3577.8613
3556		3578.4628	on- I live off of Georgia Avenue and	3580.5891
3558		3580.7196	Randolf Road-	3581.4284
3560		3582.0101	Had just	3582.4298
3562		3582.8121	pulled off	3583.4090
3564		3583.9592	onto Georgia Avenue. It was all this police activity. It was like the streets were blocked,	3588.0019
3566		3588.3878	I said, you know what? I told my /daughter/- I said, forget this. I'll do the next one.	3590.9897
3568		3591.0830	Cause they had another one coming up	3592.1135
3570		3592.4026	the next week.	3592.9295
3572		3593.5030	We turned around and went home,	3594.6023
3574		3595.2131	found out	3596.0198
3576		3596.2856	that the sniper-	3597.4886
3578		3597.8757	You know, the Montgomery County sniper?	3599.3818
3580		3600.0194	The um,	3600.7282
3582		3601.0080	Shoppers-	3601.6048
3584		3601.7447	which is right a- right around the corner from my house,	3603.9829
3586		3604.0808	somebody had just been shot.	3605.2466
3588		3605.8760	So	3606.4951
3590		3607.5256	it was-	3608.1597
3591	DCB_int_01	3609.1949	So this was two thousand two.	3610.3699
3592	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3610.5564	Yes.	3611.0414
3593	DCB_int_01	3611.3305	[Mm-hm.]	3611.7688
3594	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3611.5030	[Two thousand] two.	3612.1791
3595		3612.3412	Yep.	3612.5370
3597		3613.0406	So um, the sniper was all up in my neighborhood.	3615.5912
3599		3615.7125	So <laugh> you know, it was that anxiety now, right?	3618.1838
3601		3618.6303	Um,	3619.0686
3603		3619.3111	one thing I didn't mention was-	3621.2835
3605		3621.5399	So my sister was September eleventh two thousand one.	3624.2164
3607		3624.7748	My dad- My parents by that time were- were ill. My dad was in a nursing home. He passed January	3629.5077
3609		3630.0381	um,	3630.3785
3611		3631.2551	eighteenth, two thousand two.	3632.6633
3613		3633.2741	My mom had Alzheimer's by that time,	3635.2221
3615		3635.4039	and she passed April twelfth two thousand two.	3637.8753
3617		3638.2763	So from	3638.8265
3619		3638.9850	September	3639.6425
3621		3640.0622	two thousand eleven to April,	3641.7315
3623		3642.4111	I had three family members,	3643.9872
3625		3644.2203	and then the sniper came.	3645.2648
3627		3645.9549	And	3646.5285
3629		3647.8527	it- it was just a time of just	3649.8007
3631		3650.0152	you know, leaning	3650.9990
3633		3651.1716	not on your own understanding.	3652.5098
3635		3652.6823	[You know what I mean?]	3653.2372
3636	DCB_int_01	3652.6837	[Mm-hm]	3653.4466
3637	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3653.6056	And-	3654.0055
3639		3654.3225	and it wasn't even	3655.2504
3641		3655.3763	um, /RD-NAME-2/, like I was thinking,	3656.9104
3643		3657.1809	oh my gosh, all this stuff is happening to me- I can't-	3659.0321
3645		3659.3118	It w- I was living it, you know what I mean? It wasn't e- It's not until n-	3662.0525
3647		3662.2063	til later that I could look back and say,	3663.6378
3649		3663.8477	dang, all of that was [going on at the same] time.	3665.8014
3650	DCB_int_01	3664.7336	[/Unintelligible/]	3665.5116
3651		3665.8469	Mm.	3666.1593
3652	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3666.3039	And it was just tryna get- You know, just tryna get through it. And	3669.6565
3654		3670.0995	when the s- During that time of the sniper,	3672.0066
3656		3672.6676	um,	3673.1245
3658		3674.2763	my kids school needed volunteers because it was- They were on lock down.	3677.8994
3660		3678.4391	So,	3678.9380
3662		3679.1525	I- So, they were in elementary school, and I was like, I'm going up to volunteer at school cause I wanna be where my kids are.	3684.2806
3664		3684.7842	So,	3685.2784
3666		3685.4743	I'm sitting in the elementary school-	3687.4187
3668		3687.9409	The door's right here, glass door. I'm sitting in a chair right here	3691.6002
3670		3692.0478	to let people in and out.	3693.1855
3672		3693.5166	Now I don't know if that's the sniper coming up here /that I/-	3695.4750
3674		3695.9215	Anyway, all of that-	3696.9847
3676		3697.1199	But I just felt like- I didn't- It	3698.5887
3678		3698.8871	The fear wasn't even there. It was just like, something I had to do,	3701.4972
3679	DCB_int_01	3701.5951	[Mm-hm.]	3701.9915
3680	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3701.6044	[you know what I mean?] Just-	3702.2293
3681		3702.8728	So- so that was going on.	3704.3882
3683		3704.5561	In the meantime, I started taking classes down at /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	3707.3864
3685		3707.8621	Um,	3708.1465
3687		3708.4065	finished their program,	3709.6841
3689		3709.8333	um,	3710.2530
3691		3710.3602	had to do an internship.	3711.9643
3693		3712.5098	A family-	3713.2046
3695		3713.6569	l- my sister who was killed at the Pentagon	3715.6934
3697		3715.8193	was married	3716.5188
3699		3716.9524	to um,	3717.8523
3701		3719.0041	um, /RD-NAME-3/.	3719.9973
3703		3720.2433	His sister,	3720.9660
3705		3721.9172	/RD-NAME-3/,	3722.6773
3707		3722.8405	was the CEO of /RD-WORK-10/.	3725.0927
3709		3725.8481	And um,	3726.8494
3711		3727.0173	we've- I've known her since I- You know,	3728.6307
3713		3728.7752	a child. They lived right around the corner from us.	3730.6823
3715		3731.2605	And um,	3732.2164
3717		3733.2551	when	3733.7913
3719		3733.9918	my sister passed,	3735.2462
3721		3735.5213	she was handling all of my	3737.2419
3723		3738.1360	mother's financ- my parents' financial stuff.	3740.2809
3725		3740.9711	So	3741.3861
3727		3742.3233	because it was so sudden,	3743.5683
3729		3744.0894	none of us had access to my parents' like bank accounts or anything like that.	3747.6472
3731		3748.0622	So	3748.5984
3733		3748.8222	I could not-	3749.5496
3735		3749.9133	So their money was sitting in Bank of America, and I could not- We couldn't touch it.	3753.5399
3737		3753.8717	Bills couldn't be paid, none of that.	3755.3580
3739		3756.0388	Well,	3756.3792
3741		3757.3118	/RD-NAME-3/ used to work at Bank of America,	3759.3308
3743		3759.6339	and /RD-NAME-3/	3760.5758
3745		3760.8929	you know, she's a-	3761.5876
3747		3761.8010	She knows everybody in DC.	3763.0973
3749		3763.6242	And we were at a baby shower,	3765.0417
3751		3765.2283	and um,	3766.1189
3753		3767.5026	we were talking about a couple of things, and she said-	3769.8667
3755		3769.9693	And I was telling her about my mother, and she said, where's- i-	3772.1655
3757		3772.7763	This is at Bank of America? I said, yeah. She said, well I'll call some people. See if I, uh, I can't	3776.0390
3759		3776.1138	help that out.	3776.6594
3761		3776.7760	You know, see if I can	3777.4707
3763		3777.6246	help you out.	3778.0676
3765		3778.6318	The next day I get a call from	3780.1041
3767		3780.2440	like a bank manager at one of the Bank of America.	3782.4309
3769		3782.7060	She said, come on down.	3783.5127
3771		3783.6572	I went down	3784.3007
3773		3784.9768	signed my name on the- on the p- And I had access to the account. So,	3788.0672
3775		3788.3516	I- I	3788.8506
3777		3788.9904	owe her for that- for- for-	3790.5059
3779		3791.2182	Then I became the person to handle all my	3793.1719
3781		3793.2792	parent's financial stuff.	3794.0346
3783		3794.3330	So,	3794.8226
3785		3795.2283	didn't go through any red tape.	3796.5805
3787		3796.7379	It was like, it was her reputation and her-	3798.9947
3789		3799.2325	They knew who she was. They trusted her, /and it-/	3801.3402
3791		3801.7785	So um,	3802.4733
3793		3802.6306	plus we had power of attorney at that point, so	3804.7196
3795		3805.2605	managed to get access to that. And she also- And I also shared with her that I was	3808.7530
3797		3809.0095	switching careers.	3810.0109
3799		3810.3000	And I needed to have like,	3811.3165
3801		3811.7082	and internship, and I needed to-	3813.2842
3803		3813.6479	I didn't really know about /RD-WORK-4/ like that.	3815.4420
3805		3815.7824	She says,	3816.2344
3807		3816.3419	you need to come up	3817.0880
3809		3817.2605	to /RD-WORK-1/- we do events all the time.	3818.9438
3811		3819.5220	So I came up,	3820.5479
3813		3821.4933	met with the woman who was doing the-	3822.8828
3815		3823.0087	the events at that time.	3824.0112
3817		3824.6174	Um,	3825.0371
3819		3825.3775	started interning in two thousand	3827.1552
3821		3827.5446	two.	3827.9456
3823		3828.8642	Yeah?	3829.0973
3825		3829.9973	Yeah-	3830.1978
3827		3830.3097	No.	3830.5708
3829		3830.6874	No, no, no.	3831.1117
3831		3831.2749	Two- The end of two thousand two-	3832.8556
3833		3833.5725	Two thousand three.	3834.4305
3835		3834.9015	And	3835.3771
3837		3835.6335	did /Icon/	3836.3050
3839		3836.4076	for the first time. This- Our wonderful little event here.	3838.7111
3841		3839.2741	And	3839.8150
3843		3839.9223	did my portfolio on that	3841.5123
3845		3841.7128	and finished	3842.3936
3847		3842.5988	the /RD-SCHOOL-4/ program.	3843.5220
3849		3844.2308	And uh,	3844.6085
3851		3845.4606	[positioned-]	3846.1041
3853		3846.2766	Hi.	3846.5378
3855		3847.4610	[/Hey./]	3847.6755
3857		3847.8900	[Yeah.]	3848.1791
3859		3848.8552	[Sure], [yeah.]	3849.5034
3860	DCB_int_01	3849.2795	[It's] no problem.	3849.9976
3861	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3850.4313	Um, and	3851.0316
3863		3851.2228	a position opened [up],	3852.2580
3865		3852.5144	[and]	3852.9807
3867		3853.4983	got-	3853.7035
3869		3853.8154	got a job. And then the Special Event job opened up, and	3856.4919
3871		3856.7064	the rest [is history, so.]	3857.8150
3873		3859.5962	Yeah.	3859.9879
3875		3861.3635	[So that's-]	3862.2727
3877		3863.9129	Hopefully I'm- I'm providing information that you're [looking for.] [<laugh>]	3867.7132
3878	DCB_int_01	3865.8154	[No, this is great.]	3866.7760
3880		3866.9205	[So I- I have a different-]	3867.9557
3881	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3868.0816	[Okay. Yeah, take me where you go-]	3869.6845
3882	DCB_int_01	3868.0909	[I wanna ask something totally different]	3869.6845
3883	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3869.7777	Okay.	3870.1321
3884	DCB_int_01	3870.6963	Um,	3871.2652
3886		3872.4822	because yes, I know kind of your	3874.0583
3888		3874.2215	history here,	3875.3952
3889	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3875.4093	Mm-hm.	3875.8150
3890	DCB_int_01	3875.7544	um, there's two things that I wanna ask [you about.]	3877.7352
3891	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3877.3678	[Okay.]	3877.7221
3892	DCB_int_01	3877.8294	First, before we- I wanna do a playful topic, [but the other-] If you could leave one piece of advice	3882.5844
3893	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3879.9090	[Okay.]	3880.3474
3895		3882.5797	Mm-hm.	3882.9714
3896	DCB_int_01	3883.2978	to this generation-	3885.0697
3898		3885.2376	I won't even just say the youth, but just	3886.7344
3900		3886.9710	to people in general,	3888.3419
3902		3889.0507	like-	3889.4237
3904		3889.7128	Especially the youth though,	3890.8646
3905	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3890.9112	Right.	3891.3448
3906	DCB_int_01	3891.4194	what would that piece of advice be?	3892.8976
3907	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3893.8616	<sigh>	3894.2440
3909		3894.9668	Um,	3895.4843
3911		3898.1888	I think it would be	3899.6005
3913		3899.7684	um-	3900.4119
3915		3903.4754	<sigh>	3903.8344
3917		3905.7124	You know,	3906.1694
3919		3906.7336	things are gonna happen,	3908.0159
3921		3908.5801	you know? You're going to- There are gonna be	3910.4220
3923		3910.9431	times when you feel like, why am I going through- Why is this happening to me?	3914.7526
3925		3915.6572	There's a reason that- that you're- that it's happening to you.	3918.1880
3927		3918.5191	You know what I mean?	3919.0180
3929		3919.4144	And as hard- a- as easy it is to say, and I know it's hard to l- to-	3923.3952
3931		3923.7824	to live it,	3924.3606
3933		3924.9155	but	3925.4097
3935		3925.8993	if you can just kind of	3927.5593
3937		3928.1608	endure or- or deal with	3930.5331
3939		3930.6870	or	3931.1160
3941		3931.3351	just not get	3932.1838
3943		3932.5708	um,	3933.0977
3945		3934.3054	uh-	3934.7297
3947		3934.8591	And you're gonna get frustrated, but just don't- don't	3937.1206
3949		3937.7781	give up.	3938.5428
3951		3938.6547	You know, don't let- don't make it be a stopping block.	3941.0177
3953		3941.4233	Because	3941.8616
3955		3942.4958	a couple of months down the road, you gonna look back on and think,	3944.9531
3957		3945.6060	Thank God that happened.	3946.9722
3958	DCB_int_01	3947.2088	[Mm.]	3947.6238
3959	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3947.3534	[Because] they- that's what's sup- That's what got me here.	3949.8107
3960		3950.1791	Or you know, that's what	3951.4754
3962		3951.8904	taught me	3952.7344
3964		3953.1389	that I shouldn't do that or I should do something different.	3955.5076
3966		3955.7501	So, when you- when you come up against hard times,	3958.1748
3968		3958.5292	good times are right around the corner.	3959.9269
3970		3960.5191	That is true.	3961.2512
3972		3961.6475	It is- It is a flat out	3963.5407
3974		3963.6712	fact <laugh>	3964.4861
3975	DCB_int_01	3964.4908	<laugh>	3964.8871
3976	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3964.8545	that good stuff is- is around the corner, that-	3966.8548
3977		3967.1719	to use that	3968.0858
3979		3968.2584	as	3968.8272
3981		3969.2283	um,	3969.6759
3983		3970.5432	an opportunity to grow. Seriously. And that sounds so cliche-ish,	3973.6335
3985		3973.9180	but it's the honest to goodness tru- Use that as- as an opportunity to figure out what you're made of.	3978.1368
3987		3978.7989	You know,	3979.1906
3989		3979.4564	and when you look back on it,	3980.7899
3991		3981.4567	you'll see how that truly just	3982.7857
3993		3983.1669	helped you get to where you wanted to be.	3985.4097
3994	DCB_int_01	3986.9112	Thank you. So	3988.0256
3996		3988.4966	as you know, we're talking about DC.	3989.9642
3998		3990.3466	Do you think-	3991.1626
4000		3992.1045	Well there are two things that I- that people have told me that are unique to [DC.]	3995.6098
4001	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3995.4280	[Mm-hm.]	3995.8383
4002	DCB_int_01	3996.2906	Go go	3996.7709
4004		3997.1300	[music]	3997.7268
4005	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3997.3584	[Oh yeah.]	3997.8527
4006	DCB_int_01	3998.2351	and mumbo sauce.	3999.4148
4007	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	3999.8018	Yes. [<laugh>]	4001.5259
4008	DCB_int_01	4001.2788	[Can you talk] about your experience with [either of those and how you feel] about-	4004.1838
4009	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4002.4911	[Yes, I sure can.]	4003.8574
4010	DCB_int_01	4004.3749	y-	4004.5335
4011	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4004.9252	[Okay.]	4005.2889
4012	DCB_int_01	4005.0324	[those.]	4005.4567
4013	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4005.4940	Alright, let me talk about mumbo sauce [first.] Okay.	4007.3952
4014	DCB_int_01	4006.7006	[Okay.]	4006.9337
4015	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4007.8010	So, growing up in my neighborhood there were a lot of carry [outs],	4010.4822
4016	DCB_int_01	4010.3703	[Mm.]	4010.5615
4017	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4010.5661	okay?	4010.9158
4019		4011.3495	[Fried chicken wings-]	4012.3054
4020	DCB_int_01	4011.3588	[Now what- How do you define] a [carry out?]	4013.3359
4021	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4012.9675	[A carry out.]	4013.5725
4022		4013.9223	I define a carry out	4015.2232
4024		4015.7128	as	4016.2304
4026		4016.4682	run by somebody other than the people in the community (laughing).	4019.1482
4027	DCB_int_01	4019.1622	Okay.	4019.6565
4029		4019.7870	Mkay.	4020.0948
4030	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4020.2300	Typically	4020.9574
4032		4021.0600	from a different country.	4022.0858
4033	DCB_int_01	4022.1838	Mm-hm.	4022.6034
4034	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4022.9019	Um,	4023.4567
4036		4024.6691	seriously.	4025.1575
4038		4025.2555	That's how they all	4026.1461
4040		4026.2860	were in our neighborhood.	4027.2512
4042		4027.6569	Um, and they-	4028.4169
4044		4028.5428	and at carry outs,	4029.5686
4046		4030.0163	you could get anything from	4031.9269
4048		4032.0575	Chinese food	4033.0460
4050		4033.5962	to hot dogs, fried chicken,	4035.1910
4052		4035.7365	f- french fries.	4036.7437
4054		4036.8405	[It was the whole /gamut/-]	4037.8616
4055	DCB_int_01	4036.8591	[And that's the carry out.]	4037.8523
4056	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4038.0248	That's a carry [out.]	4038.8035
4057	DCB_int_01	4038.6077	[Now] a Chinese restaurant is just Chinese food,	4040.7060
4058	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4040.6594	It's just Chinese [food.]	4041.6992
4059	DCB_int_01	4041.5034	[but a] carry out is a very specific	4043.1715
4060	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4043.3580	[Very specific] thing.	4044.4911
4061	DCB_int_01	4043.3627	[thing. Okay.]	4044.1088
4062	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4044.7942	And you don't eat in there.	4045.9553
4063	DCB_int_01	4046.3003	[Mm.]	4046.5475
4064	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4046.3143	[You] go in there. You order at the counter,	4047.9370
4065		4048.2354	and you take your food and you leave.	4049.4093
4067		4049.9223	Okay. So that's the carry out. So the carry outs	4052.0719
4069		4052.2630	um-	4052.6687
4071		4054.4966	All I ever got from a carry outs were fried	4056.2813
4073		4056.4305	chicken wings	4057.2605
4075		4057.4517	and french fries.	4058.2630
4077		4058.7946	And the chicken wings were not	4060.7950
4079		4061.1156	chicken wings unless you had the mumbo sauce.	4063.0833
4081		4063.7128	And so	4064.5568
4083		4065.0371	you know- We- And the- And the french fries had to be smothered in ketchup.	4068.0435
4085		4068.2114	Okay? And they would gladly do that for you.	4070.0439
4087		4070.5148	So um,	4071.4567
4089		4071.7785	there were many a times when	4073.4187
4091		4073.6565	we were just hanging out, like on a Saturday-	4075.7967
4093		4076.3143	We might even have the munchies.	4077.4707
4095		4077.6060	But just hanging out and-	4079.1436
4097		4079.2741	You were hungry. I mean it wasn't-	4080.6264
4099		4080.9574	My mom fixed a dinner every single night.	4082.8133
4101		4083.2003	Saturday was kind of her day off, so Saturday was the- was the	4086.3979
4103		4086.8782	you know,	4087.1579
4105		4088.1651	carry out. We had another place called Bluebirds.	4090.3427
4107		4090.7157	And Bluebirds was- had these	4092.6963
4109		4093.0414	dynamite	4093.7688
4111		4094.5102	barbecue sandwiches. They were like minced-	4096.5572
4113		4097.3301	like North Carolina	4098.4678
4115		4098.7429	barbeque.	4099.3071
4116	DCB_int_01	4099.3724	[Mm-hm.]	4099.9739
4117	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4099.3864	[Vinegar, not] the- not the tomato base.	4101.5034
4118		4101.9743	So it was either Bluebirds or it was- I can't even remember what the carry outs were called.	4106.0556
4120		4106.5148	I mean they were- I	4107.1397
4122		4107.2516	I mean-	4107.5174
4124		4107.6433	I don't even [remember.]	4108.4593
4125	DCB_int_01	4108.2763	/It's/ two on every [corner.]	4109.2555
4126	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4109.0550	[It's-] Yeah.	4109.6611
4127		4109.7730	Exactly.	4110.3093
4129		4110.6683	So yes. So mumbo sauce is definitely a DC staple.	4113.4101
4131		4113.5920	Everybody-	4114.1655
4133		4114.3240	Everybody knew that you don't get the fried chicken wings unless you got mumbo sauce.	4117.2652
4135		4117.4424	You- you order extra	4118.5288
4137		4118.9951	because you're always gonna need more.	4120.3054
4139		4120.5152	You know.	4120.8416
4141		4120.9862	Okay.	4121.2741
4143		4121.5399	So,	4121.7637
4145		4122.1880	you get the mumbo sauce?	4123.1999
4147		4124.2724	Well you should have gotten extra! Ho- c- how I'm gonna eat some if I don't have the- okay.	4127.5213
4148	DCB_int_01	4127.6192	[<laugh>]	4129.8452
4149	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4128.3233	[So that was the mumbo sauce.]	4129.7781
4150		4130.1045	Um,	4130.5801
4152		4131.0278	go go.	4131.4567
4154		4131.7878	Now	4132.2354
4156		4132.4266	go go was	4133.8197
4158		4134.3979	um-	4134.8875
4160		4135.8480	Back [when I was in high school-]	4137.2889
4162		4138.3427	Come on.	4138.8043
4164		4139.9736	[Hey, yeah. Come o-] Uh-huh.	4141.1439
4166		4141.7268	[<laugh>]	4142.1931
4168		4142.6967	[Okay (laughing).]	4143.4754
4170		4144.0629	So	4144.6411
4172		4144.7344	um,	4145.1354
4174		4146.1134	I never went	4147.1393
4176		4147.3118	t- to-	4147.9786
4178		4148.2770	We- We call clubs	4149.5500
4180		4149.7692	/back/- Go gos, [right?]	4150.8882
4181	DCB_int_01	4150.6644	[Mm-hm.]	4150.9069
4182	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4151.6098	Never went to a one.	4152.6310
4184		4153.0320	Never went to one. And part of the reason is	4155.7365
4186		4157.3767	didn't feel comfortable going to 'em,	4159.2419
4188		4159.4843	felt like I was kind of like- I don't know, I just did. I just felt like I was	4162.8265
4190		4163.8477	you know-	4164.2160
4192		4164.4119	I just did.	4164.9574
4194		4165.1906	And most of the times they were in neighborhoods where	4168.1515
4196		4168.2821	my mother	4168.8649
4198		4169.0969	uh, wasn't necessarily trying to	4170.5891
4200		4171.1952	you know, have me be down there. And if I didn't have transportation to a f- I just-	4174.5432
4202		4174.9116	And- and a lot- A couple of girls that I knew used to go,	4177.1766
4204		4177.2745	But like me and- /RD-NAME-3/ and I, we didn't-	4178.9298
4206		4179.2516	we were more house party	4180.7390
4208		4181.0596	kind of	4181.4000
4210		4181.5399	girls. You know, or hanging out with people that we knew like that. So,	4184.2864
4212		4184.7200	there were g-	4184.9625
4214		4185.0930	there were go go clubs um,	4186.5933
4216		4187.2322	and	4187.7404
4218		4187.8104	of course- Now,	4188.5984
4220		4188.8035	we would have- We would play the music at school.	4190.6221
4222		4190.8086	I mean, and we'd be get- We'd be just getting- We'd be	4192.7099
4224		4192.9057	doing our thing at school.	4193.8850
4226		4194.0015	But I never went to-	4194.8875
4228		4195.3118	to the actual clubs. So definitely go go, but I'm'a tell you my	4197.8624
4230		4198.1935	real experience with go gos. When I- when I finally	4200.6403
4232		4201.2978	was truly on my own, and I had an apartment on Adelphi Road,	4204.5665
4234		4205.1016	and my neighbors	4206.2347
4236		4206.5098	had a teenage boy.	4207.8714
4238		4208.6314	And	4209.2422
4240		4209.5407	every freaking night, I swear, at two- three in the morning,	4213.0740
4242		4213.4191	Chuck Brown was going hard. Chuck Brown [and EU.]	4216.0070
4243	DCB_int_01	4215.3495	[<laugh>]	4215.8158
4244	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4216.3380	They were going hard,	4217.4746
4246		4217.5912	okay?	4218.0015
4248		4218.9994	I got to the point where it's like,	4220.4029
4250		4220.5708	Okay you know what /dude/- the first couple of nights, I'm like, okay. It's- I- I- I c- I understand.	4224.3699
4252		4224.5424	I'm cool.	4224.9108
4254		4225.1952	What are your parents doing right now? But, okay. I g- I got you. Maybe your room is right next to my bedroom and-	4229.6332
4256		4230.4771	It got to be so-	4231.9926
4258		4232.3097	It made me wanna move	4233.3355
4260		4233.6572	because	4234.4733
4262		4234.8498	it was- it- I- I-	4235.8337
4264		4236.3186	I got the point where if I heard another Chuck Brown song,	4238.8599
4266		4239.2049	I was just gonna start throwing things.	4240.6225
4268		4241.0783	That's just me and my little-	4242.4445
4270		4243.7221	Now- Now that I'm out- I moved out of that [situation, <laugh>] I appreciate Chuck a lot better /now/. [<laugh>]	4250.5428
4271	DCB_int_01	4246.0956	[<laugh>]	4247.7777
4273		4250.2957	[Not at] two in the morning.	4251.3029
4274	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4251.5174	Not at two in the [morning.]	4252.4027
4275	DCB_int_01	4252.0536	[Mm-hm.]	4252.4453
4276	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4252.6551	Unless	4253.3079
4277	DCB_int_01	4253.5819	[You /have/-]	4253.9036
4278	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4253.7078	[I'm] on the dance [floor],	4254.9621
4279	DCB_int_01	4254.7289	[Right.]	4255.0460
4280	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4255.2279	and I'm partying.	4255.9786
4281	DCB_int_01	4255.8154	[But you're] not trying to go to [sleep.]	4256.8832
4282	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4256.5848	[But I'm] not tryna go to [sleep.]	4257.8904
4283	DCB_int_01	4257.7179	[Right.]	4258.0209
4284	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4257.9930	Right.	4258.1981
4285		4258.3007	Right. But yeah, they're definitely-	4259.4560
4287		4259.5679	Yeah.	4259.9129
4288	DCB_int_01	4260.6357	Do you have a favorite group?	4261.6755
4290		4262.2537	Or were you just kind of more-	4263.8298
4292		4264.0023	You weren't like super deep into-	4265.8104
4293	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4265.8523	I wasn't super deep.	4266.8642
4295		4266.9854	I was more into funk, you know. [I was more into Parliament.]	4270.2961
4296	DCB_int_01	4268.6640	[Mm. Mm-hm. Mm-hm.]	4269.8764
4297	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4270.7857	You know um,	4271.8756
4299		4272.4771	I was more into- Like I said, groups like, War, uh, Earth Wind and Fire. I was more into [those kind of groups.]	4278.2347
4300	DCB_int_01	4277.1296	[Ah, okay.]	4278.0995
4301	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4278.3466	You know what I mean?	4278.8921
4302	DCB_int_01	4278.9434	Mm-hm.	4279.2605
4303	DCB_se3_ag4_f_01	4279.3351	And	4279.9320
4305		4281.3915	I don't know. I just- I just was more into	4283.2974
4307		4283.4606	the	4283.6845
4309		4283.9875	you know, R and B, funk	4285.4564
4311		4285.6755	kind of thing,	4286.2910
4313		4286.4496	versus the go go thing.	4287.7179