Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	DCB_int_01	0.501	Um, and your birthday?	1.984
2	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2.575	January fourteenth, nineteen sixty one.	4.92
3	DCB_int_01	6.865	And where were you born?	8.035
4	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	8.332	Washington DC.	9.372
5	DCB_int_01	10.729	What neighborhood do you- did you grow up in?	12.678
6	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	13.135	Southeast Washington.	14.5
8		14.724	Hillcrest.	15.437
9	DCB_int_01	17.722	And how many years have you lived in the District?	19.76
10	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	20.869	Mm,	21.974
12		26.556	uh, that would be excluding- Only-	28.482
14		28.608	The only time that I lived	29.951
16		30.324	elsewhere was when I was in college and law school.	32.687
18		33.288	So	34.048
20		35.442	um,	36.356
21	DCB_int_01	36.044	[What's that], seven [years?]	37.042
22	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	36.557	[That would] be-	37.476
23		38.138	Well	38.527
25		39.204	uh, only- I went away to college really for like a semester so,	42.729
27		44.356	uh,	44.855
29		46.319	let me see. I was away maybe a total of five years so	50.264
31		51.377	I-	52.3
33		55.196	I don't know. God, what? Forty years?	57.312
35		57.615	Maybe forty years, I've lived?	59.289
37		60.445	I'm not really doing the math well, but.	62.189
38	DCB_int_01	64.337	And what other places-	65.424
40		65.624	So when you went to school- did you live?	67.601
41	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	67.783	Boston and New Orleans.	69.47
42	DCB_int_01	76.039	And where'd you go to school? High school, college, law school.	79.233
43	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	80.127	Um,	80.859
45		81.209	I went to	82.557
47		82.71	um-	83.387
49		86.342	Part of the-	86.906
51		87.069	My high school years were at	88.599
53		88.832	um,	89.433
55		89.741	/RD-SCHOOL-4/.	91.075
57		92.23	Um, I graduated from /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	94.79
59		96.618	I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/ in Boston	100.067
61		100.281	and transferred to /RD-SCHOOL-9/.	102.991
63		104.542	And then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-9/.	107.377
64	DCB_int_01	113.191	What's your current occupation?	114.512
65	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	115.019	I'm an attorney.	115.964
66	DCB_int_01	119.816	Um, where was your father born?	121.354
67	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	122.011	My father was born in	123.675
69		124.51	Raleigh, North Carolina.	125.82
70	DCB_int_01	127.564	What about your mom?	128.25
71	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	129.279	My mother was born	130.552
73		130.678	in- I think it was Camden, Alabama.	133.2
74	DCB_int_01	134.407	And what does your father do?	135.467
75	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	136.309	My father is deceased. He was an attorney.	138.963
76	DCB_int_01	140.244	And what about mom?	140.911
77	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	141.946	My mother was	143.097
79		143.261	a	144.571
81		145.177	librarian.	146.072
82	DCB_int_01	148.571	And is she still living or she-	149.853
83	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	149.941	She's still living.	150.757
84	DCB_int_01	152.855	Kay.	153.139
86		154.258	I will stop writing now (pen clicking).	155.634
88		157.116	So,	157.438
90		158.006	let's go back. Let's go	159.489
92		160.142	back a little bit.	160.925
94		161.62	When you talk about Southeast, tell me about your neighborhood growing up.	164.577
95	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	165.81	<ts>	165.932
97		166.109	My neighborhood was a-	167.89
99		169.312	I'd say middle class to upper middle class neighborhood,	171.992
101		172.286	um,	172.855
103		173.335	in	173.708
105		173.834	the midst of	174.869
107		176.44	um,	176.962
109		179.051	I wanna say	179.913
111		180.743	lower class mei-	181.913
113		182.071	lower class neighborhoods.	183.792
115		184.864	But	185.088
117		185.349	it was not like they were today.	187.116
119		187.708	Neighborhoods- When you think of	189.144
121		189.666	uh, upper middle class neighborhoods today-	192.021
123		192.869	Well first of all, it was all black,	194.189
124	DCB_int_01	194.551	Mm-hm.	194.859
125	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	195.68	except for um-	197.475
127		199.583	<ts>	199.695
129		200.216	There were a few	201.419
131		202.766	white people in the neighborhood left	205.247
133		206.897	from white flight.	207.689
135		209.433	Because when the blacks started moving in, the whites started moving out.	212.486
137		213.54	Um, except for my father told me this,	216.063
139		216.431	um-	217.084
141		218.841	The only whites that basically stayed-	220.738
143		221.186	The majority of the whites that stayed were	223.485
145		223.648	um, whites that did not have	225.563
147		225.829	children, particularly girls	227.708
149		228.846	because they did not want	230.178
151		230.43	um,	230.957
153		232.654	white-	233.004
155		233.345	Whites	233.983
157		234.128	did not want their girls to be around	236.5
159		237.941	black guys.	238.71
160	DCB_int_01	239.676	Hm.	239.941
161	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	240.137	That was my father's	241.177
163		242.374	uh,	242.836
165		243.498	explanation. And	244.626
167		245.014	as I looked around the neighborhood, I did notice that there were-	247.354
169		247.779	There were a lot of older white people.	249.47
170	DCB_int_01	249.871	Mm-hm.	250.249
171	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	250.305	So	250.724
173		250.925	they might have- And they didn't s-	252.431
175		252.977	I didn't know of any of 'em	254.403
177		255.913	to have kids. Maybe one	257.937
179		259.69	family.	260.333
181		261.162	Um,	261.666
183		262.72	so maybe they felt like they were too old to leave.	265.27
185		266.048	You know, I don't know.	267.069
187		267.624	But they were like scattered around.	269.335
189		269.983	But	270.184
191		270.977	the majority of the neighborhood was /definitely/-	272.836
193		273.27	They were definitely	274.072
195		274.403	African Americans. There weren't	275.839
197		276.203	Hispanics. There weren't	277.545
199		278.565	Indians. There weren't Asians.	280.482
201		281.76	Completely African American.	283.228
202	DCB_int_01	283.639	How big was the neighborhood? Like how many blocks, streets?	286.51
203	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	287.554	The whole H- all of Hillcrest?	289.671
205		290.565	I'm not good with	291.321
207		292.165	that type of thing.	293.046
209		293.396	Um,	293.941
211		298.211	it was a pretty big neighborhood.	299.522
213		300.468	I mean, you know.	301.34
215		303.106	It was a-	303.428
217		303.736	I-	304.016
219		304.211	Will say- it was a- it was a big area.	306.263
220	DCB_int_01	306.529	Okay.	306.837
221	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	307.312	You know.	307.62
223		307.763	I- I hesitate to call it a-	309.167
225		309.232	You know, I consider my neighborhood like, the people that I knew	312.254
227		312.594	which was like,	313.168
229		315.078	um,	315.559
231		316.156	maybe,	316.785
233		317.848	um,	318.487
235		319.829	you know, that was just a-	320.715
237		321.484	maybe about ten block	322.603
239		322.818	radius. Like,	323.452
241		323.708	you know, the people I got to knew- know from	326.282
243		327.4	playing.	327.918
245		328.51	You know, you didn't go too far-	329.764
247		329.918	[stray too] far from your neighborhood to play. And then	332.646
248	DCB_int_01	330.072	[Right.]	330.45
249	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	333.242	you know, maybe people who th-	334.323
251		334.426	that I met	334.934
253		335.219	at church-	335.941
255		337.378	people I met at my elementary school,	339.139
257		339.983	which was a neighborhood elementary school.	341.708
259		342.557	And um,	343.438
261		347.624	I guess that was it.	348.52
263		348.65	You know, like the Girl Scouts and stuff like that.	350.64
265		351.997	Um-	352.538
266	DCB_int_01	352.571	Ten blocks is- that's a big- I was actually thinking maybe you were gonna say like two or three /??/. That's a big	357.577
268		357.978	like	358.174
269	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	358.137	Well I'm-	358.608
270	DCB_int_01	358.589	area.	359.023
271	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	359.107	Well that includes the people that	361.196
273		361.359	I m-	361.723
275		361.867	met.	362.295
277		362.482	But the people that I knew	363.545
279		364.193	[well] well well were like-	366.212
280	DCB_int_01	364.295	[Well.]	364.571
281	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	366.37	except when I- because what happened in my neighborhood was	369.153
283		370.267	the sch-	370.804
285		370.892	the-	371.041
287		371.251	the people-	371.881
289		374.012	You know.	374.281
291		374.51	Because we were like, a little oasis,	377.023
293		377.298	so to speak,	377.969
295		378.627	in Southeast,	379.55
297		380.519	the schools	381.629
299		382.216	were not the-	382.906
301		383.163	the-	383.401
303		383.545	the parents in my neighborhood were not	385.522
305		385.791	pleased with the schools.	387.214
307		387.75	So they either- after a certain point,	390.184
309		391.112	we either got-	391.886
311		393.465	they either sent us to private schools- most of us went to private schools,	396.809
313		397.49	or they	398.492
315		398.598	bussed us to- or we went to- and when I say bussed, I don't mean like,	402.142
317		402.65	you know,	402.963
319		403.111	really bussed. I mean like we would catch- we would have to catch a bus,	405.992
321		406.351	get on the bus and go,	407.475
323		408.175	you know, or- or we would go to,	410.5
325		411.493	um,	412.123
327		413.223	schools in different- in a better	415.517
329		415.835	part of town, but mainly pe- people were going to private schools.	418.911
331		420.757	You know that was	421.414
333		421.526	mainly m-	422.095
335		422.183	most of my friends were going to private schools.	424.426
337		425.41	You know,	425.802
339		425.913	um, I did notice that	427.443
341		427.625	um-	428.026
343		428.677	so we had-	429.601
345		431.065	And this is what I'm saying we don't really see too much today,	434.072
347		435.643	we had	436.433
349		436.897	um,	437.405
351		437.862	like I lived next to a cab-	439.275
353		439.424	I ha- on one side of me-	440.747
355		441.167	my father was an attorney.	442.487
357		442.617	My mother was a, um,	444.245
359		444.776	We had doctors, lawyers,	446.649
361		447.47	um, we had blue collar workers.	449.937
363		450.762	Um,	451.499
365		451.647	you know, like,	452.668
367		453.358	my-	453.694
369		453.88	my	454.16
371		454.333	neigh- the-	454.953
373		455.2	the neighbor to	455.904
375		456.123	uh-	456.622
377		456.743	to my left was a cab driver.	458.831
378	DCB_int_01	459.312	Hm.	459.549
379	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	460.403	And	460.855
381		460.958	his wife doesn't- didn't work.	462.44
383		463.279	Neighbor to my-	463.997
385		464.178	to my right,	465.083
387		466.109	he was an-	466.864
389		467.746	he was either an engineer or an architect,	469.443
391		469.624	but he was highly,	470.491
393		471.545	you know,	471.857
395		472.286	educated.	472.939
397		473.806	And it was mixed like that throughout the neighborhood. You had some	476.906
399		477.671	you know,	477.913
401		477.992	bus drivers, cab drivers, lawyers,	480.66
403		481.088	you know.	481.448
405		481.81	Four blocks up	482.892
407		483.503	was	483.96
409		484.878	/newer/-	485.214
411		485.48	You know,	485.844
413		486.272	both	486.664
415		487.737	uh,	488.174
417		489.018	parents were doctors. The mother was a pediatrician. The father was a neurosurgeon, like one of the most	493.978
419		494.738	um, highly	495.843
421		496.174	you know,	496.58
423		496.92	um,	497.359
425		498.235	thought of neurosurgeons at Howard-	500.235
427		500.794	at Howard's Hospital.	501.773
429		502.543	You know, and I think they lived next do-	504.175
431		504.319	door to a um,	505.541
433		506.99	your blue collar worker.	508.044
435		508.79	So that's just the way- and part of that probably, I'm sure had to do with the fact that all black people had to live	514.291
437		515.438	you know,	515.769
439		515.983	in the same neighborhood.	516.967
441		518.649	So it wasn't that socioeconomic	521.167
443		522.03	um,	522.65
445		523.158	separation that they have now,	524.957
446	DCB_int_01	525.549	Gotcha.	525.964
447	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	526.03	because we were like,	527.167
449		527.974	you know,	528.254
450	DCB_int_01	528.669	Mm-hm.	528.925
451	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	530.468	kind of forced to live together.	531.731
452	DCB_int_01	532.253	So how did like blue collar versus	535.084
454		535.224	like, white collar- How do upper middle class and	538.323
456		538.515	probably working to middle- lower middle class- How did- could they afford	541.671
458		542.099	to live in that neighborhood together?	543.568
459	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	545.079	Cause I think all hard working people	547.424
461		549.298	could live	550.225
463		550.58	well.	551.037
464	DCB_int_01	551.839	Hm.	552.178
465	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	553.084	No matter what they did.	554.058
467		555.755	And my father actually-	557.046
469		557.233	Uh, my mother w- There was another neighborhood here in DC that was a black	561.176
471		562.016	upper middle class to upper-	563.419
473		563.75	upper class neighborhood,	565.098
475		565.634	which was-	566.343
477		566.635	that we called the Gold Coast,	568.179
479		569.522	which is-	570.002
481		570.184	which was on Sixth-	571.2
483		571.382	in the Sixth-	572.152
485		572.272	off of Sixteenth Street,	573.624
487		574.058	which were primarily- Now,	575.401
489		575.494	I don't know if they're- I would	577.037
491		578.351	pro- I would-	579.083
493		579.512	Because I ended up going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	581.027
495		581.876	And	582.487
497		582.622	that was the area for	584.5
499		585.792	that.	586.048
501		586.622	I mean that was part of their	587.792
503		587.969	area, so I met a lot of those	589.886
505		590.217	black kids	590.953
507		591.638	that grew up	592.403
509		592.766	on- in the Gold Coast.	593.862
511		594.17	And I	594.874
513		595.992	would-	596.402
515		597.046	I would guess that,	598.389
517		598.892	without knowing-	599.862
519		601.252	Cause I certainly didn't- The kids that I met up there,	603.34
521		603.866	none of their parent-	604.729
523		604.878	All of their parents were	606.142
525		607.322	you know,	607.748
527		608.23	doctors, lawyers,	610.305
529		610.589	college professors. I mean they were all professional-	612.715
531		612.958	uh, white collar	613.821
533		613.923	[professionals.]	614.682
534	DCB_int_01	613.984	[Mm-hm.]	614.5
535	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	615.456	So	616.211
537		617.093	m- And my father made a conscious decision-	619.587
539		619.936	Because my mother wanted to live up there.	621.549
541		622.305	That's where she wanted to live.	623.177
543		624.487	<ts> My father did not want to live up there.	626.365
545		627.26	He didn't want-	627.731
547		627.866	He didn't want	628.575
549		628.888	us growing up	629.797
551		630.967	in that kind of bubble.	632.026
553		633.461	So	634.086
555		634.342	um,	634.785
557		637.261	and I th- I'm sure those houses were mo-	639.041
559		639.95	I don't know. They might have been the same price. I don't know.	642.109
561		642.678	It's hard to say back then.	643.709
563		644.398	Cause everything was so much more affordable,	646.188
564	DCB_int_01	646.743	[Yes.]	647.233
565	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	646.846	[you know?]	647.317
566		647.899	But um,	648.687
568		649.871	and that's just my take on it.	651.204
570		651.307	I-	651.512
572		651.82	And you know, I can just say that	653.363
574		653.494	because I went	654.701
576		654.841	to the high school, and I met all of those black kids up there.	657.736
578		658.487	And I don't know any of them that- whose parents were just	661.499
580		662.258	regular, you know,	663.54
581	DCB_int_01	664.086	Mm.	664.272
582	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	664.79	blue collar workers or whatever whatever. They were all	667.96
584		668.054	like,	668.324
586		669.279	somebody.	669.904
588		670.524	You know, white collars	671.643
590		672.282	types.	672.813
592		673.471	You know.	673.942
594		675.293	So that might have been very unique to our neighborhood,	677.741
596		678.958	but I would doubt it.	679.867
597	DCB_int_01	680.738	So how did this-	681.47
599		682.095	Two things, and then I'm'a move on from- But how do you f-	684.506
601		684.785	How do you- And I don't think- I don't know if you know,	686.813
603		687.228	but how did this neighborhood emerge	689.265
605		689.359	in the middle of Southeast? So Southeast historically was a very	692.426
607		693.507	rundown or	694.477
609		695.186	I will say lower class,	696.529
611		696.641	and then you have this upper class neighborhood,	698.659
613		698.766	do you kind of know how that	699.82
615		700.03	oasis-	700.622
616	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	701.526	The only reason I could think is that	703.14
618		703.238	if you go over to the neighborhood, you can see the difference in the houses.	706.272
619	DCB_int_01	706.962	Mm.	707.195
620	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	708.338	I mean,	708.799
622		708.888	they are- And I'm sure- I know white people are trying to get those houses now.	712.603
624		713.237	I mean they look like the houses on Sixteenth Street.	715.891
626		717.414	Um, I think they even-	718.748
628		720.245	I don't know what they call- I think they called it the G- They called it a whole bunch of stuff. Like, the Gold Coast of Southeast. I mean, you know, all- m-	726.753
630		727.084	Whenever I told somebody that I was from Southeast,	729.181
632		729.666	and then I would say I was from Hillcrest,	731.41
634		731.718	they'd be like, Oh that's not Southeast.	733.27
636		734.197	And I was like, Yeah.	735.395
638		735.727	It is in Southeast.	736.93
640		737.666	And um,	738.59
642		738.986	that's the only thing that I could think because there-	741.106
644		741.316	there were	741.731
646		742.599	big houses. All the houses looked	744.165
648		744.328	different.	744.899
650		745.751	You know, they had big yards.	747.816
652		748.496	You know,	749.088
654		749.228	um,	749.825
656		752.757	that's the only reason that I could think, and I can't think of any other	755.951
658		758.211	area of Southeast- And I have to say,	759.857
660		759.997	I-	760.412
662		760.524	You know, because I went to school uptown and all that stuff,	762.819
664		762.935	I really didn't	763.597
666		763.889	get to know	764.841
668		765.097	a lot of the neighborhoods. I didn't hang out- I mean you know,	767.368
669	DCB_int_01	766.724	[Mm.]	767
670	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	767.494	there was some-	768.03
672		768.179	there was some class	769.191
674		770.724	issues going on.	771.722
676		772.575	You know, so I didn't really get to know- Like I- Like I don't know- I don't know this area	776.385
677	DCB_int_01	776.663	Mm.	776.892
678	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	777.661	even though I didn't- I grew up not that far from here.	779.857
680		781.056	You know, I don't really know my way around in- in this area. And there parts of Southeast that I've never been to.	786.436
682		788.766	You know?	789.162
684		790.011	So	790.636
686		790.981	um-	791.508
687	DCB_int_01	792.715	Describe your house.	793.797
689		794.192	Like at your childhood home.	795.615
690	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	796.72	<ts>	796.836
692		796.995	Um,	797.582
694		798.552	you know, everything's relative.	800.054
696		800.547	A lot of people thought it was a big house.	802.197
698		802.701	I mean it was- It was a big	804.184
700		804.338	Tudor style house.	805.863
702		806.775	Um,	807.423
704		809.913	ver- a lot of	810.697
706		810.767	nice	811.205
708		811.336	architect-	811.853
710		812.225	/tecture/-	812.747
712		812.966	/texture/.	813.54
714		814.473	Um,	815.065
716		817.27	you know, huge yard.	818.752
718		818.953	I mean really big yard.	820.086
720		820.692	And I'm not real good with	821.852
722		822.552	you know, measuring or whatever.	824.081
724		824.314	Sat up on a hill,	825.526
726		826.874	a big hill,	827.83
728		828.781	um,	829.41
730		831.419	had a lot of character to it.	833.219
732		833.531	Um,	833.969
734		835.941	you know, had a	836.724
736		836.85	big	837.102
738		838.272	living room, a big	839.484
740		839.606	dining room, a big kitchen before there were a lot of um,	842.366
742		843.316	big kitchens.	844.435
744		844.678	Nice basement.	845.909
746		846.203	Um,	846.748
748		847.681	three-	848.072
750		848.328	three bedrooms,	849.643
752		850.333	big /attic/.	851.27
754		851.988	Had one- just one bathroom. We all shared a bathroom.	854.78
756		855.671	Um,	856.314
758		856.557	and all the houses were different.	857.918
760		858.03	There were no h-	858.622
762		858.711	no house-	859.462
764		859.732	There was no-	860.5
766		862.71	I mean,	863.172
768		863.494	no single house was exactly	865.13
770		865.452	like the other house.	866.463
772		867.064	I mean even in some of the other areas like Brookland- I don't know if you're familiar with [Brookland, where] /Catholic/ is?	871.727
773	DCB_int_01	870.762	[Mm-hm.]	871.023
774	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	872.332	And I- When I first got married, I lived in a house,	874.477
776		875	like a colonial style house there,	876.813
778		877.959	which by the way, now	879.209
780		879.81	is going for	880.92
782		881.261	seven hundred thousand dollars,	882.804
784		883.289	and it's a little house.	884.324
786		885.479	Um, to me it was a little house,	886.869
788		886.958	compared to the house that I grew up in.	888.529
790		889.14	And	889.872
792		891.237	those houses,	892.048
794		892.696	they're cookie cutter.	893.573
795	DCB_int_01	893.685	Mm-hm.	894.179
796	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	895.885	You know, but then that- that is also another neighborhood	898.468
798		898.78	that was a-	899.335
800		899.634	uh-	899.885
802		900.035	that-	900.268
804		900.729	and-	900.991
806		901.339	Well actually, that's not- that wasn't Brookland. It was Michigan Park,	903.899
807	DCB_int_01	904.617	[Mm-hm.]	904.958
808	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	904.622	[which is] right next to Brookland.	906.077
809		906.939	Um,	907.438
811		908.939	that's another	909.736
813		910.701	upper middle class black neighborhood too. I mean-	913.047
815		913.471	I'm sorry.	913.937
817		914.864	Upper middle cl- Yeah, upper middle class,	916.71
819		917.2	I would say.	917.797
821		918.473	Middle class to upper middle class black neighborhood,	920.626
822	DCB_int_01	920.915	[Now?]	921.368
823	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	920.934	[which-]	921.246
824	DCB_int_01	921.792	Or before.	922.398
825	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	923.489	When I was growing up	924.501
826	DCB_int_01	924.669	[Oh.]	924.893
827	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	924.678	[w-] it was. Now, it's gentrifying,	926.724
828	DCB_int_01	926.966	Mm.	927.209
829	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	927.242	like everything else. You see m- almost more white people over there than you-	930.165
831		930.291	than you see- saw black people-	931.914
833		932.295	see black people.	933.218
835		933.549	And that's why the- the hous- pricing-	935.331
837		935.554	the housing prices have gone up	936.972
839		937.102	is what I'm saying. I mean that was a little-	938.631
841		939.694	I mean,	940.095
843		940.972	you know, those houses are	942.067
845		942.403	<sigh>	942.664
847		942.963	you know.	943.312
849		945.465	And even the school systems haven't caught up with those neighborhoods,	948.375
851		948.795	I wouldn't- I wouldn't	949.797
853		949.959	/stink/.	950.654
855		951.54	You know.	951.988
857		953.298	<ts>	953.438
858	DCB_int_01	953.438	Are [houses] in Hillcrest	954.93
859	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	953.606	[Um-]	953.96
860	DCB_int_01	955.844	kind of going that same	957.12
862		957.554	like market? Or looking at the market, is it	959.568
864		960.021	reaching Southeast in that same way?	961.881
865	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	962.365	I think so.	963.078
866	DCB_int_01	963.344	Mm.	963.587
867	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	963.736	I don't think that people have gotten across the bridge quite as much	966.552
869		966.916	because it is across the bridge.	968.617
871		971.242	But give 'em time.	972.151
872	DCB_int_01	972.907	Mm.	973.266
873	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	974.719	[You know.]	975.036
874	DCB_int_01	974.738	[Are you an] only child?	975.829
875	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	975.876	No I have two brothers.	977.13
876	DCB_int_01	977.783	Okay, so how was it growing up? Are you the youngest, oldest, middle?	980.318
877	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	980.421	I'm the middle.	981.064
878	DCB_int_01	981.638	Oh, you're the middle. So how was it growing up	983.96
880		984.119	with-	984.417
882		984.837	What's the age difference?	986.054
883	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	986.206	We were all two years apart.	987.377
884	DCB_int_01	987.866	Oh, step-	988.347
886		988.64	like [step-]	989.219
887	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	988.986	[Mm-hm.]	989.456
888	DCB_int_01	989.937	And how was that? Did y'all play together? What types of games did y'all play?	993.223
889	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	993.349	We played together in the house.	994.836
891		995.582	We fought a lot.	996.394
893		996.939	But see the kid- There were lots of kids in that neighborhood, which is totally different than the way my-	1000.529
895		1000.72	my daughter is growing up	1001.816
897		1002.179	because	1002.79
899		1002.925	um,	1003.387
901		1004.98	you know, first of all, I was a si- I'm a single-	1007.149
903		1007.429	I was a single	1008.263
905		1008.506	parent.	1008.949
907		1009.149	And	1009.484
909		1009.577	also it's just,	1010.533
911		1011.274	you know, I couldn't afford to live	1012.99
913		1013.834	the- a lot of the places that I wanted to live. And then she-	1016.5
915		1017.181	I definitely sent her to schools, I-	1018.696
917		1019.279	You know,	1019.638
919		1019.969	she never-	1020.412
921		1020.641	she-	1020.935
923		1021.084	her-	1021.378
925		1021.871	Only for one moment did she go to a school	1024.225
927		1024.808	in the neighborhood we lived in, and that's only because I moved	1027.824
929		1027.973	to the neighborhood to get her into the school.	1030.03
931		1030.557	I moved	1031.363
933		1031.568	to a-	1032.137
935		1032.664	an apartment	1033.242
937		1033.638	to get her into the school, and then	1035.764
939		1037.023	I bought a house (laughing).	1037.955
940	DCB_int_01	1038.958	[/Inaudible./]	1039.382
941	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1038.972	[So], th- and that was the only time in her life that she-	1042.501
942		1043.988	And that was a short span of her life, she was very young- that she lived in	1047.68
944		1048.454	a neighborhood where she went to school. So	1050.268
946		1051.28	I had	1051.95
948		1052.164	a-	1052.477
950		1052.626	I grew up in a very	1053.89
952		1054.053	robust	1055.004
954		1055.247	neighborhood, with children, lots of children.	1057.283
956		1058.673	And	1059.228
958		1059.437	we um,	1060.297
960		1061.732	<ts>	1061.871
962		1061.923	played outside a lot, and as	1063.448
964		1063.605	you probably heard from older people,	1065.354
966		1065.918	we could go outside and play forever	1067.955
968		1068.729	until it was dark. I mean that stuff about the-	1070.659
970		1071.046	the um-	1071.647
972		1071.843	What do you call it?	1072.384
974		1073.116	The night light?	1073.76
976		1074.025	The um,	1074.538
978		1075.457	<ts>	1075.541
980		1075.689	playing until the-	1076.449
982		1076.673	til the-	1077.078
984		1077.26	the-	1077.512
986		1077.717	the lights	1078.421
988		1078.986	came on	1079.568
989	DCB_int_01	1079.68	Mm.	1079.89
990	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1080.035	was true.	1080.636
992		1081.508	Our parents didn't know where we were.	1082.691
994		1084.09	We didn't have cell phones.	1085.275
995	DCB_int_01	1085.61	[<laugh>]	1087.518
996	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1086.109	[You know?]	1086.571
998		1087.023	[They couldn't-]	1087.657
999		1088.379	But	1088.724
1001		1088.915	they let us go. I mean we would go all over the place and do whatever we wanted until it was time to come home.	1093.811
1003		1094.654	And there were	1095.4
1005		1096.529	oh, t- tons of us.	1098.016
1007		1099.578	You know, and we would just all go and play.	1101.33
1009		1101.796	And my b-	1102.156
1011		1102.626	You know, so I had my girlfriends, and my brothers had their friends, but	1106.25
1013		1107.181	the times we were stuck in the house,	1108.79
1015		1110.953	<ts>	1111.051
1017		1111.116	we would um-	1112.021
1019		1112.258	we would play together.	1113.12
1021		1114.118	And we, you know-	1115.153
1023		1115.652	I- I	1116.189
1025		1117.704	you know,	1117.96
1027		1119.004	pretty much grew up like a boy because I had two [brothers.]	1121.335
1028	DCB_int_01	1121.181	[Mm-hm.]	1121.643
1029	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1121.676	So I basically had to do the types of things that they did.	1124.273
1031		1125.209	And if I didn't, then they would tease me,	1127.429
1033		1128.049	you know, and say I was a sissy	1129.312
1035		1129.754	or something like that,	1130.612
1037		1130.757	so.	1131.242
1039		1131.787	But we fought a lot too.	1132.916
1040	DCB_int_01	1133.111	<laugh>	1134.147
1041	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1134.142	We did a lot of fighting.	1135.149
1042		1135.844	Yeah.	1136.142
1043	DCB_int_01	1136.771	Did y'all have TV?	1137.619
1044	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1138.323	We had TV.	1139.102
1045	DCB_int_01	1139.289	[Black and white or color?]	1140.375
1046	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1139.293	[I'm not that- I'm not that-] I'm not that old. <laugh>	1142.5
1047		1143.503	Um, I think that we-	1144.897
1049		1145.624	Oh, God. I'm sure at some point-	1147.373
1051		1147.606	Whatever-	1148.095
1053		1148.206	Whenever it was, I'm s-	1149.526
1055		1149.787	I'm sure that I-	1150.958
1057		1152.128	It started out being black and white,	1153.587
1058	DCB_int_01	1153.889	Mm.	1154.076
1059	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1154.384	and then at some point, we got color. But	1156.202
1061		1156.412	um,	1156.701
1063		1157.023	yeah we had TV. But we only had-	1158.347
1065		1159.196	What? F-	1159.555
1067		1160.077	Three channels? ABC, NBC, and CBS.	1162.743
1068	DCB_int_01	1164.286	Hm.	1164.604
1069	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1164.771	And we didn't have remotes.	1166.093
1070	DCB_int_01	1166.435	Mm,	1166.607
1072		1166.71	we had- You were the remote?	1167.703
1073	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1168.277	We were the remote. [We had to get up] and	1169.601
1074	DCB_int_01	1168.948	[Mm-hm.]	1169.41
1075	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1169.736	turn it.	1170.105
1077		1170.851	And um,	1171.783
1079		1172.962	<ts>	1173.036
1081		1173.633	you know, we-	1174.249
1083		1174.389	There were only a few shows	1175.788
1085		1176.879	um, that we could watch.	1178.486
1087		1179.824	And then TV went off at a certain time,	1182.03
1089		1183.326	like around- I don't know, midnight?	1184.761
1091		1184.906	I don't know. It was long before we went to bed- long after we went to bed,	1188.081
1093		1189.214	so.	1189.634
1095		1190.542	Yeah.	1190.929
1096	DCB_int_01	1191.279	What elementary schools	1192.505
1098		1192.734	did you go to?	1193.531
1099	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1194.356	<ts>	1194.45
1101		1194.552	I went to the neighborhood elementary school,	1196.5
1103		1197.041	which was called /RD-SCHOOL-2/ until the fifth-	1199.102
1105		1199.438	until the	1200.468
1107		1202.262	I guess it was the fifth grade.	1203.671
1109		1203.866	And then my parents- And then we went to	1205.927
1111		1206.081	um-	1206.487
1113		1206.93	Then my parents	1207.844
1115		1207.997	sent us to /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	1209.96
1116	DCB_int_01	1211.536	Was that different?	1212.189
1118		1212.506	Was it a	1212.832
1120		1213.056	big-	1213.275
1121	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1213.578	It was a culture shock. There were no black kids t- I mean that's one of the k- that- If	1216.743
1123		1217.13	you don't know, that's one of the sc-	1218.156
1125		1218.473	one of the three schools that the Obamas looked at	1221.004
1126	DCB_int_01	1222.664	[/RD-SCHOOL-3/.]	1223.387
1127	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1222.981	[when they] came here.	1223.844
1128		1223.937	/RD-SCHOOL-3/. There's /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	1225.886
1130		1226.374	and where they ended up is /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	1227.922
1131	DCB_int_01	1228.249	Right.	1228.482
1133		1229.2	So	1229.727
1135		1230.482	when you went to-	1231.443
1137		1231.829	Compare your experience from what you can remember from /RD-SCHOOL-3/ to	1235.489
1139		1235.699	/RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1236.417
1140	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1236.874	Well /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was all black	1238.295
1142		1239.074	with all-	1239.512
1144		1239.652	mainly all black teachers.	1241.233
1146		1241.484	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ was all white	1242.855
1148		1243.788	pretty much.	1244.444
1150		1244.897	And Jewish	1245.717
1152		1247.093	because it was started by a Jewish-	1248.787
1154		1250.412	I don't know which Jewish school.	1251.908
1156		1252.435	Cause we had to celebrate Jewish holidays.	1254.543
1158		1255.779	We didn't even celebrate Christian holidays. We celebrated Jewish holidays.	1258.985
1159	DCB_int_01	1259.209	Mm.	1259.494
1160	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1259.68	And um,	1260.72
1162		1261.67	so we had	1263.209
1164		1265.289	rich kids.	1266.272
1166		1268.971	Rich white kids.	1270.062
1168		1270.743	Jewish.	1271.256
1170		1272.217	And	1273.093
1172		1273.708	a handful of black kids in each class.	1276.1
1174		1277.988	Maybe	1278.51
1176		1280.407	/uh/ four of us.	1281.843
1178		1282.599	I don't know.	1283.214
1180		1283.923	Five per class, something like that.	1285.713
1182		1286.356	And then we had	1287.349
1184		1287.479	um-	1288.217
1186		1290.361	<ts>	1290.464
1188		1291.033	And of course the black kids were not-	1292.855
1190		1294.771	There were some-	1295.587
1192		1295.82	That were some black kids that	1297.322
1194		1297.424	were	1297.886
1196		1299.05	prominent.	1299.936
1198		1302.678	You know, when you're a kid, you don't really know that stuff,	1304.711
1199	DCB_int_01	1304.78	[Mm.]	1305.046
1200	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1304.799	[but then] when you get older, you start hearing	1307.293
1201		1308.506	you know,	1308.939
1203		1309.219	this is /da- da- da-/	1309.984
1205		1310.332	I mean the people that I can remember that went there- I don't know if you remember Al Gore?	1314.245
1206	DCB_int_01	1314.59	Mm-hm.	1314.972
1207	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1315.033	He was	1315.443
1209		1315.735	vice president to	1316.999
1211		1317.904	Carter?	1318.328
1213		1318.594	No.	1318.78
1214	DCB_int_01	1319.514	[Clinton?]	1319.918
1215	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1319.592	[No, it wasn't-] I'm get- I get Al Gore mixed up with-	1321.946
1216		1322.808	<ts>	1322.929
1218		1323.489	This guy was Carter's	1324.715
1220		1324.976	vice president.	1325.83
1222		1327.158	I don't know why I get them two mixed up, and I can't remember his name because uh, he-	1330.608
1224		1332.179	I wanna say Mondale.	1333.536
1226		1334.878	You wouldn't remember.	1335.629
1228		1335.736	But Mondale- I think it was Mondale.	1337.704
1230		1338.506	Yeah, and then he ran for president.	1339.973
1232		1340.216	His	1340.542
1234		1340.645	d- daughter went-	1341.26
1236		1341.391	His kids went there, and then you had um-	1344.137
1238		1346.374	There was this guy name- And the only reason I know this was because uh-	1349.694
1240		1350.007	<ts>	1350.179
1242		1350.263	There was this guy named /RD-NAME-6/.	1352.551
1244		1354.124	He was the fir- Anyway,	1355.257
1246		1355.513	his daughter, /RD-NAME-2/-	1356.684
1248		1356.977	Well, they don't call her /RD-NAME-2/. Her name is /RD-NAME-4/.	1359.186
1250		1359.611	She wrote p-	1360.357
1252		1360.497	She read	1361.159
1254		1362.091	um,	1362.707
1256		1362.976	the poem at Obama's inauguration. Okay.	1365.443
1258		1365.755	So she went there,	1366.8
1260		1368.115	but her dad was	1369.672
1262		1369.853	um-	1370.412
1264		1373.317	<ts>	1373.434
1266		1373.798	He was something like the first	1375.238
1268		1375.41	black	1376.114
1270		1379.508	secretary of the-	1381.192
1272		1382.664	You know, he was like in some	1383.662
1274		1383.844	presidential cam-	1384.688
1276		1384.832	uh, [cabinet.]	1385.919
1277	DCB_int_01	1385.616	[Hm.]	1385.914
1278		1386.129	Mm-hm.	1386.464
1279	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1386.66	So it was some black kids like that	1388.673
1281		1389.009	that were there.	1389.723
1283		1390.669	But then you had	1391.681
1285		1391.844	some black kids who were- Like I-	1394.058
1287		1394.249	Like one of my friends, one of my best friends,	1396.753
1289		1397.975	and then you had some black kids whose parents were	1400.291
1291		1400.655	like my parents, you know. They were	1402.758
1293		1403.182	lawyers,	1404.166
1295		1404.921	um,	1405.504
1297		1406.44	<ts>	1406.534
1299		1406.576	and then you had	1407.527
1301		1407.615	um-	1408.175
1303		1409.536	You know Ben's Chili Bowl?	1410.73
1304	DCB_int_01	1411.019	Mm-hm.	1411.388
1305	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1411.918	Okay, the guy- So,	1413.182
1307		1414.968	uh,	1415.387
1309		1415.499	/RD-NAME-4/-	1416.474
1311		1416.777	/RD-NAME-2/,	1417.192
1313		1417.909	the family that	1418.715
1315		1418.846	ran that,	1419.275
1317		1419.424	they went there.	1420.166
1319		1422.026	And then you had	1423.103
1321		1423.289	um- But then you had like,	1424.618
1323		1425.396	some black kids that were probably on- You know, you-	1428.057
1325		1428.166	you don't have any way of knowing this, but they probably got	1430.394
1327		1430.641	some	1430.972
1329		1431.96	scholarship,	1432.683
1331		1433.406	and they mighta been really smart.	1434.679
1333		1435.988	But there parents weren't,	1437.032
1335		1437.415	you know-	1437.769
1337		1438.762	Cause o- I had one girlfriend of mine, who was like, one of my best friends,	1441.979
1339		1442.529	she lived in the pro- what we call the projects	1444.734
1341		1444.968	at the time.	1445.597
1343		1447.853	So-	1448.417
1345		1449.443	But you know,	1450.035
1347		1451.467	because we were all black,	1452.502
1349		1454.697	and it was back in the seventies,	1456.333
1351		1457.522	you know, we-	1458.054
1353		1458.236	we ho-	1458.544
1355		1458.837	we stayed together.	1459.671
1356	DCB_int_01	1461.653	And how long did you stay at /RD-SCHOOL-3/?	1463.238
1357	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1464.189	So I stayed there	1465.34
1359		1465.606	two-	1466.156
1361		1466.263	through	1467.046
1363		1469.476	um-	1470.054
1365		1475.019	I wanna say ninth grade.	1476.432
1367		1478.995	Either ninth or tenth,	1479.956
1369		1480.231	something like that.	1481.075
1371		1481.793	And I just- You know, I didn't get any attention from any boys.	1484.492
1373		1486.277	You know,	1486.711
1375		1487.126	there was some racists, and my- For	1489.135
1377		1489.293	Ironically, my daughter had the same experience.	1491.415
1379		1491.713	That's one reason why she's ended up /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	1493.597
1381		1495.624	But um,	1496.534
1383		1497.741	the- You know,	1498.385
1385		1498.487	there was racism.	1499.434
1387		1500.74	Um-	1501.234
1388	DCB_int_01	1502.468	Overt?	1502.949
1390		1503.102	Covert?	1503.587
1392		1504.259	Both?	1504.613
1393	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1506.93	I guess you would- It depends on how you define that.	1508.865
1395		1509	I mean,	1509.322
1397		1509.42	I- I w- I defined it as	1511.597
1399		1511.802	um,	1512.241
1401		1514.949	the-	1515.102
1403		1515.424	that-	1515.83
1405		1517.527	I mean there were a couple of things that happened.	1519.019
1407		1519.559	I mean,	1519.918
1409		1520.086	you know, nobody called you the N word,	1521.685
1411		1522.646	at least not to your face.	1523.844
1412	DCB_int_01	1524.105	Hm.	1524.357
1413	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1524.609	So	1525.178
1415		1525.382	you know, if you consider that to be overt, no, it wasn't overt.	1527.988
1417		1528.147	But I do remember	1529.215
1419		1529.742	one time,	1530.511
1421		1530.6	that- But th- it was hurtful stuff	1532.916
1423		1533.643	because I remember one time	1535.205
1425		1535.76	that	1536.133
1427		1536.408	everybody-	1537.085
1429		1537.801	Well it wouldn't have been everybody, but I didn't get invited to a	1540.814
1431		1541.373	w-	1541.583
1433		1541.802	You know, the Jews have	1543.127
1435		1544.79	bar mitzvahs and	1545.629
1437		1545.704	bat mitzvahs,	1546.665
1439		1547.121	which is like their	1548.152
1441		1548.846	coming of age-	1549.881
1443		1551.336	You know,	1551.769
1445		1552.772	like um-	1553.728
1447		1554.199	It would be like our- Like,	1555.593
1449		1556.701	Hispanics have /Qui- Quinceaneras/, or something like that.	1559.76
1451		1559.863	And what do black people have (laughing)?	1561.065
1452	DCB_int_01	1561.121	[/Cotillions./]	1562.072
1453	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1561.881	[Cotillions],	1562.687
1454		1562.785	but	1562.995
1456		1563.41	it's not tied to religion.	1565.056
1458		1565.919	Like,	1566.129
1460		1566.361	maybe for us it would be um-	1568.333
1461	DCB_int_01	1569.261	Oh yea- Mm.	1570.194
1462	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1570.567	Well I'm- I was	1571.527
1464		1571.807	raised episcopal, so I had um-	1573.979
1466		1575.163	<ts> I mean but	1575.709
1468		1575.825	w-	1576.161
1470		1576.347	Whenever we did that anyway-	1577.732
1472		1578.255	You know, these people had big parties	1579.848
1473	DCB_int_01	1580.193	Right.	1580.408
1474	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1580.394	to go along with this.	1581.401
1475		1582.595	So it was cultural.	1583.896
1477		1584.073	I don't know what the Hispanics-	1585.528
1479		1585.937	There was	1586.501
1481		1586.697	religious-	1587.392
1483		1587.793	It might just be [cultural.]	1588.972
1484	DCB_int_01	1588.431	[Cultural.]	1588.982
1485	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1589.546	The- the- the bat mitzvah and the bar mitzvah's cultural	1592.538
1487		1593.751	and religious.	1594.991
1488	DCB_int_01	1594.921	Right.	1595.182
1489	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1595.844	So anyway, they would have that, but you know they were rich and they threw-	1598.645
1491		1598.809	It- it- They used to throw,	1599.932
1493		1600.296	I mean,	1600.8
1495		1600.944	huge	1601.69
1497		1602.539	things.	1603.023
1499		1603.144	Huge things.	1604.133
1501		1604.757	You know, at um,	1605.835
1503		1606.208	country clubs and	1607.373
1505		1608.502	wherever else	1609.346
1507		1609.503	they would have 'em.	1610.263
1509		1611.088	It was a big thing.	1611.956
1511		1612.511	And so I remember one time not getting invited to that.	1614.497
1512	DCB_int_01	1614.949	Hm.	1615.122
1513	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1615.209	And I kn- And my best friend was Jewish,	1617.261
1515		1618.879	and she got invited.	1619.835
1517		1621.601	But she was different kind of Jewish because	1623.685
1519		1624.24	she lived on Capitol Hill,	1625.858
1521		1626.837	both her parents were lawyers,	1628.147
1523		1628.464	but they were civil rights lawyers.	1629.876
1525		1631.532	So,	1632.115
1527		1632.199	you know, they were more progressive	1634.296
1528	DCB_int_01	1634.389	Mm-hm.	1634.809
1529	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1634.925	type.	1635.182
1531		1636.268	And actually	1637.094
1533		1637.616	they knew my father because my father	1639.313
1535		1639.732	was	1640.091
1537		1640.277	civil rights.	1641.032
1539		1642.277	So-	1642.646
1541		1642.776	You know what I mean?	1643.327
1542	DCB_int_01	1643.453	Mm-hm.	1643.751
1543	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1644.311	So it was a different- She wasn't as elitist.	1646.751
1545		1647.648	And then we had to catch the bus together because she lived	1650.32
1547		1650.581	on Capitol Hill	1651.75
1549		1652.981	in Southeast, and then I lived- But- And she lived in Southeast,	1655.564
1551		1655.667	but it was Capitol Hill.	1656.604
1553		1657.405	And Capitol Hill is of course, booming.	1659.55
1555		1660.492	Even back then it was pretty.	1661.788
1557		1662.255	I don't know, but Capitol Hill was weird.	1663.811
1559		1663.923	But-	1664.133
1561		1664.986	You know, and I used to have to go across the bridge,	1667.191
1563		1667.625	so we	1668.656
1565		1669.993	you know, got	1670.37
1567		1670.501	c-	1670.594
1569		1670.72	rode the bus together.	1671.639
1570	DCB_int_01	1671.704	Mm-hm.	1671.993
1571	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1672.044	And it was her and me and also the w- the g- woman who grew up	1674.898
1573		1675.308	in the projects. Cause she	1676.627
1575		1677.205	lives in Southwest,	1678.375
1577		1678.893	so we all got to be really c- And she just was different. She wasn't-	1681.937
1579		1684.301	You know, you could tell. She didn't have-	1685.993
1581		1686.138	You know, I don't know whether her parents insti- instilled-	1688.883
1583		1689.951	You know, cause her father was-	1691.322
1585		1691.937	Not only was he civil rights, he worked for Legal Aid.	1694.361
1587		1695.979	So he worked for-	1697.541
1589		1698.603	He headed the	1699.494
1591		1700.067	legal-	1700.776
1593		1701.527	I can't remember what it was. And the m- and her mother was a-	1704.007
1595		1706.165	was a professor.	1707.21
1597		1708.977	But you know, they were progressive.	1710.325
1598	DCB_int_01	1710.78	Mm-hm.	1711.178
1599	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1712.133	Yeah.	1712.52
1601		1712.669	So.	1713.046
1602	DCB_int_01	1713.266	Did she go to the party?	1714.175
1603	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1715.07	Yeah, she went to the um-	1716.679
1605		1717.191	As a matter of fact, I think that's how I found out	1719.373
1606	DCB_int_01	1719.974	Mm-hm.	1720.31
1607	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1720.618	because she slipped up, and s- Well she didn't slip up,	1723.163
1609		1723.289	she thought that I had been invited. She'd assumed that I had been invited.	1726.343
1611		1727.131	Because I did get invited	1728.516
1613		1728.818	to some of 'em but this particular one I did not get invited to.	1731.774
1615		1731.904	And I know	1732.483
1617		1732.86	it had to have been because I wasn't-	1734.133
1619		1735.139	I mean,	1735.382
1621		1735.568	I- I- I-	1735.946
1623		1738.264	I've-	1738.445
1625		1738.576	My take on it was it was because I was black	1740.79
1626	DCB_int_01	1741.484	Mm.	1741.806
1627	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1741.82	and not Jewish.	1742.879
1629		1744.422	You know that was my take on it.	1745.77
1631		1746.562	But it could have been something else,	1747.75
1633		1747.871	but that was my interpretation.	1749.233
1634	DCB_int_01	1749.364	Right.	1749.615
1635	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1750.044	You know.	1750.422
1637		1751.606	So that	1752.59
1639		1753.433	and	1754.207
1641		1754.534	m- I had my first major crush	1756.609
1643		1757.672	on a white guy.	1758.623
1645		1759.414	And he didn't give me the time of day.	1761.392
1647		1765.368	Didn't look my way.	1766.319
1648	DCB_int_01	1768.352	And this was when you were in high school?	1770.199
1649	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1771.811	[This was in middle school]	1773.247
1650	DCB_int_01	1771.82	[Before you went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/- Oh.] Okay.	1773.452
1651	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1773.475	right when I was starting to get,	1774.744
1653		1774.93	you know-	1775.243
1655		1775.849	like boys and stuff like that.	1777.168
1656	DCB_int_01	1777.279	Mm-hm.	1777.722
1657	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1778.095	Like in pubert- puberty or whatever.	1780.433
1658	DCB_int_01	1781.168	And then how did you leave /RD-SCHOOL-3/?	1783.238
1659	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1784.286	<ts>	1784.412
1661		1784.757	So	1785.634
1663		1785.862	um,	1786.576
1665		1790.739	it was a combination of that	1792.287
1667		1792.525	and	1792.991
1669		1793.896	um,	1794.497
1671		1795.127	I think	1795.825
1673		1798.231	uh-	1798.371
1675		1798.473	You know, maybe something happened in our family where my parents couldn't afford it anymore.	1802.326
1677		1803.494	You know?	1803.872
1679		1805.933	Um, I don't really-	1806.87
1681		1807.186	I'm	1807.475
1683		1807.606	not-	1807.843
1685		1807.96	I can't even remember what the stor-	1809.522
1687		1809.685	you know, the story on that was.	1811.219
1689		1811.439	But	1811.69
1691		1811.961	I know I wasn't that unhappy about it.	1813.616
1692	DCB_int_01	1814.795	[Hm.]	1815.135
1693	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1814.944	[Because] /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was like-	1816.195
1694		1817.625	/Shoot./ That was the place to be.	1819.155
1696		1819.484	I mean, you know,	1820.119
1698		1820.52	to me.	1820.967
1700		1822.422	And	1822.79
1702		1823.033	it was definitely	1824.441
1704		1825.177	a turning point for me	1826.515
1706		1826.701	going there.	1827.294
1707	DCB_int_01	1828.319	Why do you say that?	1829.047
1708	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1830.46	Oh my God. It was just-	1831.728
1710		1831.979	It was a total- Well, f- A little bit it was a culture shock at first	1835.415
1712		1836.982	because	1837.815
1714		1837.974	um,	1838.478
1716		1839.839	I wasn't used to being around all them black people.	1841.951
1718		1843.652	<laugh>	1844.31
1720		1845.037	And the thing about /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was that	1846.655
1722		1846.748	it was	1847.434
1724		1848.119	totally mixed,	1849.215
1726		1850.193	totally mixed.	1851.545
1728		1852.291	It was like the-	1852.87
1730		1853.187	the	1853.345
1732		1853.55	ultimate melting pot.	1854.945
1734		1856.063	And it was	1856.468
1736		1856.911	unlike any high school- And it was a huge high school- Unlike,	1859.816
1738		1859.933	any high school in the city.	1861.355
1740		1863.019	Um,	1863.555
1742		1864.31	I mean, you had probably about a equal number of blacks.	1867.909
1744		1868.594	You had	1869.326
1746		1870.268	um,	1871.024
1748		1871.369	Hispanics because you had Columbia Heights kids,	1874.883
1750		1875.317	which was Hispanic.	1876.473
1752		1877.495	And then you had- And they were from-	1879.136
1754		1879.55	You know, they were from a mix of countries,	1881.723
1755	DCB_int_01	1881.755	Mm-hm.	1882.31
1756	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1882.501	even though they were all Hispanic, they were a mix- Except they weren't Puerto Ricans. W- I didn't know any Puerto Ricans.	1887.149
1758		1887.499	But they were South American-	1888.795
1760		1889.229	From South American countries most- mainly.	1891.5
1762		1892.235	And then you had	1893.545
1764		1893.713	um,	1894.403
1766		1896.847	blacks from	1897.704
1768		1897.839	other-	1898.594
1770		1899.298	Like,	1899.545
1772		1900.128	maybe West- West Indians?	1901.76
1773	DCB_int_01	1901.765	Mm. Mm-hm.	1902.376
1774	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1902.935	And then you had	1904.24
1776		1905.005	whites	1905.835
1778		1906.958	from	1907.574
1780		1908.511	that-	1908.879
1782		1909.071	up in that area,	1909.895
1784		1910.86	from	1911.168
1786		1911.345	up in that area where the school was.	1912.991
1787	DCB_int_01	1914.589	So you just- [It was very different.]	1916.268
1788	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1915.191	[And then you had- And then] you had socioeconomic	1917.615
1789		1917.765	[diversity because] you had-	1919.536
1790	DCB_int_01	1918.24	[Mm.]	1918.706
1791	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1920.362	And this- They're getting rid of this now which is very up-	1922.58
1793		1922.939	upsetting to me-	1923.821
1795		1925.145	<ts> You had-	1925.686
1797		1926.791	They bussed in	1928.109
1799		1929.447	kids from Southwest, who at the time	1932.25
1801		1932.408	were	1932.823
1803		1933.62	mainly from	1934.715
1805		1935.032	um- I keep saying the projects, and I know they don't call 'em the projects anymore. Low income housing.	1939.304
1806	DCB_int_01	1940.347	They still [call them the projects.]	1941.69
1807	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1940.673	[And they were all] black	1942.189
1808		1943.233	low income kids.	1944.408
1810		1944.721	So you had all of this mix	1946.781
1812		1947.564	in that school	1948.324
1814		1949.872	which was a	1950.338
1816		1950.87	you know,	1951.341
1818		1952.142	but they di-	1952.552
1820		1952.944	But we didn't mix.	1953.974
1821	DCB_int_01	1955.453	Mm.	1955.896
1822	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1957.097	It's just like wh- What do they say? All- Why'd all the black kids [sit in the classroom?]	1960.553
1823	misc	1959.55	[<knocking>]	1960.012
1824	DCB_int_01	1960.692	Mm-hm.	1961.08
1826		1961.252	Mm-hm.	1961.658
1827	misc	1962.632	I'm heading out.	1963.117
1828	DCB_int_01	1963.237	[Okay.	1963.585
1829	misc	1963.242	[Sorry.]	1963.592
1830		1963.722	You're gonna have to lock up.	1964.622
1831	DCB_int_01	1964.683	Mm, yes ma'am.	1965.266
1832	misc	1965.443	Alright.	1965.727
1834		1966.31	Have a good weekend. <door closes>	1967.238
1835	DCB_int_01	1967.355	You too!	1968.054
1836	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1969.62	For the most part we didn't mix.	1971.14
1837	DCB_int_01	1974.175	And everybody was in their little pocket. Was it	1976.235
1839		1976.328	by race? Was it by socioeconomic status?	1978.753
1841		1978.87	Both?	1979.425
1842	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1980.469	It was by race,	1981.648
1844		1981.76	and with- in the blacks, it was socioeconomic.	1984.343
1845	DCB_int_01	1987.405	Hm.	1987.718
1847		1988.902	So how did-	1989.42
1849		1989.583	You know, how did the-	1990.366
1850	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1990.501	Some did- You know, there was a little mixing. Like I had one girlfriend who was black, and she	1994.935
1852		1995.317	ended up marrying	1996.38
1854		1996.846	this guy who was Hispanic. And he didn't hardly ev- speak any English.	1999.778
1856		2000.548	But they got married.	2001.242
1858		2001.503	They dated,	2002.049
1860		2002.203	and then they got married.	2002.954
1862		2004.38	But she almost looked s-	2005.433
1864		2006.398	You know, she almost didn't look like she was black,	2008.189
1866		2009.774	so.	2010.152
1868		2013.07	And he came from low income,	2014.599
1870		2015.653	Hispanic,	2016.292
1872		2017.61	and she was upper middle class black.	2019.643
1874		2020.595	So there was some mixing,	2022.04
1876		2022.632	li- little,	2023.29
1878		2024.408	but overall,	2025.256
1880		2025.918	I don't think there was a lot of mixing.	2027.294
1881	DCB_int_01	2031.401	Did it work?	2032.091
1883		2032.665	Do you feel like it was a good education, you had a good experience? Or	2035.528
1885		2035.699	no, not so [much?]	2036.73
1886	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2036.622	[Well you] know, we had it in the classroom, but see I-	2038.665
1887		2038.879	What I came from? That school was easy to me.	2040.945
1889		2041.294	That was another good thing	2042.473
1891		2042.608	about coming from a rigorous private school.	2044.753
1892	DCB_int_01	2045.583	Mm.	2045.918
1893	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2046.026	I mean I went into that school,	2047.5
1895		2049.709	and it was just easy.	2050.8
1897		2055.807	It was easy.	2056.581
1899		2057.28	And I did really really well.	2058.539
1901		2058.762	I mean I did well	2059.713
1903		2059.829	in-	2060.235
1905		2061.14	at /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	2062.203
1907		2062.809	but I-	2063.308
1909		2064.674	I mean I did just as well as the rest of those kids	2066.888
1911		2067	but I um-	2067.965
1913		2068.436	I-	2068.571
1915		2068.748	I feel like I worked harder	2070.087
1916	DCB_int_01	2070.59	Mm.	2070.823
1917	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2071.093	to do well.	2071.769
1919		2072.967	And when I got to /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	2074.371
1921		2074.483	I didn't have to work as hard.	2075.481
1923		2077.149	And I could tell the difference	2078.412
1925		2079.503	in the	2080.002
1927		2082.856	um-	2083.349
1929		2086.599	I mean I could just tell the difference.	2088.101
1931		2089.237	And another thing is that I- when I got As, I didn't want anybody to know it.	2092.194
1932	DCB_int_01	2094.017	Why?	2094.343
1933	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2094.99	I remember one time I got like-	2096.254
1935		2097.088	I don't know. I got maybe-	2098.273
1937		2098.436	I probably got all As.	2099.896
1939		2101.419	And um-	2102.193
1941		2102.86	Because it-	2103.336
1943		2103.569	it didn't seem like it was cool.	2104.879
1944	DCB_int_01	2105.709	Mm.	2106.157
1945	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2106.612	I don't know where- where I got that from	2108.263
1947		2110.501	because	2111.145
1949		2111.564	you know,	2112.035
1951		2112.735	even the black kids that I	2113.862
1953		2113.955	I hung out with, they were high achieving.	2116.012
1955		2117.732	So I don't know where I got that from.	2119.108
1957		2120.03	I mean, it certainly wasn't like,	2121.704
1959		2123.835	uh,	2124.408
1961		2124.6	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ where	2125.932
1963		2127.009	um-	2127.501
1965		2132.039	I don't know.	2132.566
1967		2134.982	It just seemed different to me.	2136.133
1969		2136.982	I mean there was so much else going on there first of all.	2139.401
1971		2140.436	It was so much socializing.	2141.844
1973		2142.945	Mm.	2143.518
1975		2144.645	So many clubs and	2146.305
1977		2148.189	you know, homecoming and	2149.862
1979		2150.506	all of that stuff.	2151.354
1981		2151.475	Parties, and what do you call it-	2152.87
1983		2153.089	uh, dances and	2154.366
1985		2155.355	all of that stuff.	2156.142
1986	DCB_int_01	2156.52	Did you get [involved in all of that stuff?]	2158.394
1987	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2157.336	[/I was alright with-/]	2157.984
1988		2158.623	Oh yeah.	2159.187
1990		2160.101	<laugh> [I definitely] got involved in that.	2161.75
1991	DCB_int_01	2160.366	[<laugh>]	2160.954
1992		2162.105	Like what?	2162.725
1993	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2163.695	Oh I loved to- I liked to-	2164.781
1995		2165.061	I went to the pro- Oh, well first of all, the whole world-	2167.663
1997		2167.769	I mean,	2167.997
1999		2168.151	there were a lot of-	2169.261
2001		2169.555	I had never seen- When I first went there,	2171.322
2003		2173.927	<ts> I guess this is sort of like the difference between going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	2176.679
2005		2177.648	If you've [ever walked] up on /RD-SCHOOL-2/'s [campus?]	2179.35
2006	DCB_int_01	2177.984	[Mm?]	2178.297
2008		2179.243	[Mm-hm.]	2179.57
2009	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2179.983	Versus /RD-SCHOOL-2/'s campus- [cause I went] to /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	2181.923
2010	DCB_int_01	2181.028	[/?/]	2181.294
2011	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2182.324	[So I know] the difference between /RD-SCHOOL-4/ and /RD-SCHOOL-2/ (laughing)	2185.047
2012	DCB_int_01	2182.352	[Mm-hm.]	2182.846
2013	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2185.428	when you go and look at the black people.	2186.972
2015		2187.639	They were all-	2188.548
2017		2188.814	they just seemed- they were all really attractive.	2191.359
2019		2192.198	They were all	2193.154
2021		2193.326	um,	2193.974
2023		2195.658	<ts>	2195.788
2025		2195.956	you know, dressed- a lot of 'em dressed well.	2198.417
2027		2199.457	You know, they were put-	2200.105
2029		2200.217	Well put together.	2201.63
2031		2202.679	I- Really. When I went up there, I-	2204.175
2033		2204.319	I thought that-	2204.897
2035		2205.005	I never had seen so many attractive black people in my life.	2208.007
2037		2209.304	You know.	2209.756
2039		2211.517	You know, they all took a lot of pride in- And then you know, I have to say that	2215.341
2041		2215.718	you know,	2215.979
2043		2216.077	a lot of those kids	2217.27
2045		2219.285	that grew up in s- on-	2220.273
2047		2220.413	that were	2220.726
2049		2221.442	the s- You know,	2222.305
2051		2222.464	this-	2222.813
2053		2222.921	this is not- I mean I lived in New Orleans, so	2224.968
2055		2225.117	I mean,	2225.555
2057		2226.222	they were like,	2227.308
2059		2228.86	bordering- Some of 'em were bordering on not even looking black.	2231.667
2061		2234.221	You know.	2234.599
2063		2234.715	And they had the nice	2236.016
2065		2236.152	you know, whatever- My daughter gets mad when I say this,	2238.175
2067		2238.259	but good hair.	2239.058
2069		2240.468	And um,	2241.503
2071		2242.809	you know,	2243.238
2073		2243.742	features, you know-	2244.949
2075		2245.168	They were-	2245.494
2077		2245.704	They- You know, they- it- it- You know, it- I don't think it's any secret that	2248.865
2079		2249.247	at least at one point in this	2250.879
2081		2251.61	country because of	2253.541
2083		2255.854	you know, slavery and	2257.434
2085		2258.501	the light skin, dark skin thing, and	2261.047
2087		2261.676	all of that,	2262.311
2089		2262.446	that	2262.716
2091		2263.117	a lot of people who got the opportunities,	2265.406
2093		2266.389	were lighter skinned people.	2267.765
2095		2270.795	And that	2271.214
2097		2271.406	is very prominent in this city.	2273.513
2099		2275.489	You know, it's prominent. I mean it was at one point, prominent.	2278.194
2100	DCB_int_01	2279.355	Mm.	2279.718
2101	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2280.516	When I was coming up, that was prominent,	2282.203
2103		2283.298	and you could see the difference.	2284.66
2105		2285.429	And when I got to New Orleans, let's not even talk about New Orleans.	2288.431
2106	DCB_int_01	2290.557	Same thing? [Or worse?]	2291.9
2107	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2291.112	[I mean they still] have-	2292.166
2108		2292.269	Oh, it's much worse.	2293.304
2109	DCB_int_01	2293.536	Mm.	2293.801
2110	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2294.664	Much worse.	2295.406
2112		2297.891	You know.	2298.245
2114		2299.778	So a lot of those kids	2301.657
2116		2303.024	were	2303.541
2118		2304.8	you know-	2305.201
2120		2306.305	And then we had some mixed race kids too.	2307.961
2122		2309.355	We had some biracial kids, which was not	2311.201
2124		2311.47	all that	2311.974
2126		2313.168	common back then,	2314.04
2128		2315.243	to have biracial-	2315.975
2130		2316.45	biracial kids.	2317.397
2132		2319.06	You know.	2319.518
2133	DCB_int_01	2319.872	Who did they hang out with?	2320.828
2134	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2323.192	Well it depends on what they do- who they identify with like,	2325.96
2135	DCB_int_01	2326.044	Mm.	2326.324
2136	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2327	I mean,	2327.453
2138		2328.171	the	2328.352
2140		2328.53	two that I knew	2329.523
2142		2332.748	hung out with black-	2333.644
2144		2333.923	Well one I grew-	2334.716
2146		2334.823	One grew up in my neighborhood.	2336.622
2148		2337.671	And um,	2338.511
2150		2341.149	I-	2341.284
2152		2341.624	You know, I think	2342.254
2154		2342.566	their f-	2342.907
2156		2343.056	W- Well their father was African American and their mother was	2346.077
2158		2346.385	white,	2346.656
2160		2347.01	from England.	2347.82
2162		2348.576	And the father I think made a concerted effort	2351.07
2164		2351.224	to	2351.746
2166		2352.464	integrate them	2353.374
2168		2354.804	into	2355.406
2170		2356.007	the black community, so	2357.471
2172		2357.896	I'm pretty sure he did.	2358.87
2174		2359.438	So	2360.123
2176		2360.375	um,	2360.897
2178		2362.291	<ts>	2362.422
2180		2362.571	she definitely-	2363.592
2182		2364.059	They definitely identified	2365.568
2184		2365.662	with	2366.1
2186		2367.42	uh, black people. Now	2368.501
2188		2369.126	that being said	2370.096
2190		2371.386	he made a concerted	2372.338
2192		2372.571	d- effort to integrate them, but not to the point where he was-	2375.313
2194		2376.716	You know (laughing),	2377.234
2196		2378.072	drop 'em in the-	2378.729
2198		2378.893	dropping in them in the hood.	2380.105
2199	DCB_int_01	2380.838	[<laugh>]	2382.637
2200	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2380.842	[<laugh>]	2381.275
2202		2382.25	[You know.]	2382.642
2203		2383.331	He didn't want them to be that entrenched.	2385.597
2204	DCB_int_01	2386.046	<laugh>	2386.655
2206		2387.504	So	2387.951
2208		2388.273	to a point,	2388.851
2210		2389.009	but not-	2389.414
2211	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2389.4	Only to a point.	2390.258
2212	DCB_int_01	2390.487	[Mm.]	2390.823
2213	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2390.496	[I think] h- Yeah.	2391.41
2214	DCB_int_01	2392.469	Now where'd they live?	2393.336
2216		2393.453	D-	2393.63
2218		2393.807	Do you know?	2394.227
2219	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2395.13	Where did they l- They lived down the street from me.	2397.196
2220	DCB_int_01	2397.354	Okay.	2397.681
2221	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2397.685	But-	2397.859
2223		2397.979	But we went to-	2399.098
2225		2399.569	We went to school uptown.	2401.178
2227		2401.918	[I mean we-]	2402.361
2228	DCB_int_01	2401.927	[Gotcha.]	2402.244
2229	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2402.445	They went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. Well the bro-	2403.942
2231		2404.082	the brother went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	2405.434
2232	DCB_int_01	2405.979	When you say uptown, what do you mean?	2407.392
2233	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2407.722	Uptown is like,	2408.963
2235		2410.156	um-	2410.786
2237		2412.054	Sixteenth Street is upto- upper-	2413.685
2239		2413.843	upper Northwest.	2414.977
2241		2415.751	Upper Northwest, like,	2416.879
2243		2417.145	where /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was.	2418.152
2245		2419.102	That's uh, considered upper Northwest.	2420.953
2247		2422.138	Um,	2422.683
2249		2423.359	that's considered uptown.	2424.642
2251		2426.091	Um,	2426.692
2253		2428.506	Georgetown and- and above-	2430.311
2255		2431.508	G- GW would be considered downtown,	2433.662
2257		2434.982	you know.	2435.425
2259		2437.862	Um,	2438.403
2261		2441.411	so.	2441.756
2262	DCB_int_01	2442.875	Huh.	2443.075
2264		2443.396	I never	2443.951
2266		2444.156	heard anybody explain it that way, but that	2445.979
2268		2446.142	helps me.	2446.609
2270		2447.098	[GW] being down- I mean [understanding that] that's the downtown [area.]	2450.683
2271	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2447.196	[/Uh./]	2447.518
2273		2448.734	[Yeah, G- s-]	2449.293
2275		2450.039	[GT is in the middle-]	2450.953
2276		2451.112	Yeah, it's	2451.55
2278		2451.681	j- in the middle of downtown, yeah.	2453.313
2279	DCB_int_01	2453.648	[Oh.]	2454.297
2280	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2453.868	[It's in the] Foggy Bottom area,	2455.489
2281	DCB_int_01	2455.48	Mm-hm.	2455.899
2282	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2455.895	but that's downtown. Some people might consider that to be Georgetown	2459.681
2283		2461.974	because	2462.872
2285		2465.103	it's in proximity to Georgetown. But I never considered it be Georgetown because they call it Foggy Bottom	2470.397
2287		2470.902	[first of] all.	2471.54
2288	DCB_int_01	2470.949	[They-]	2471.201
2290		2471.49	Mm-hm.	2471.965
2291	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2472.73	And um,	2473.522
2293		2476.842	I wish I knew more uh- had a more of a-	2479.145
2295		2479.61	knew as much history about the area as some of my friends know about it.	2483.224
2297		2484.539	You know, because you know,	2485.635
2299		2487.508	all of these areas-	2488.52
2301		2490.068	You know a lot of these	2490.907
2303		2491.335	rich areas	2492.398
2305		2492.753	now-	2493.051
2307		2493.149	Georgetown and Foggy Bottom, there were slaves living there.	2495.639
2308	DCB_int_01	2496.71	Mm-hm.	2497.13
2309	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2497.111	I think you know that.	2497.923
2310		2498.958	I mean they still got black churches in Georgetown.	2500.921
2311	DCB_int_01	2501.336	[Mm-hm.]	2501.858
2312	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2501.667	[And there's] a reason for that.	2502.665
2313		2503.405	It's because black people used to live there.	2504.827
2315		2505.434	There's still uh-	2506.333
2317		2506.646	And then they got	2507.359
2319		2507.989	kicked out	2508.469
2321		2509.396	basically.	2510.044
2322	DCB_int_01	2513.415	I don't know the whole history, but I've	2515.149
2324		2515.629	always wondered about the churches	2517.429
2326		2518.184	um, when I went to school there.	2519.453
2327	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2519.439	Why they have black churches in Georgetown (laughing)?	2521.834
2328	DCB_int_01	2522.627	Makes sense. Making the [connection /inaudible/.]	2524.557
2329	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2523.797	[And the black people still] go there.	2525.215
2330		2525.737	There's still a few scattered around black families there	2529.415
2332		2529.727	that didn't sell when	2530.912
2334		2531.662	um,	2532.264
2336		2534.534	when they were approached.	2535.793
2338		2537.858	You know, cause my ex husband actually	2539.857
2340		2540.17	um-	2540.501
2342		2541.326	His father,	2542.212
2344		2542.385	um,	2542.73
2346		2543.69	he-	2543.928
2348		2544.516	He's not from here. He's from South Carolina, but he's older than me. He's	2547.648
2350		2548.604	sixty- He's in like his mid sixties. And his father actually worked	2552.981
2352		2553.172	for a Jewish man-	2554.623
2354		2555.042	the Jewish man that was	2556.082
2356		2556.329	largely responsible for	2558.147
2358		2558.855	taking their property from those black people.	2560.893
2360		2562.94	You know.	2563.287
2362		2565.741	And moving them	2566.846
2364		2567.373	to Anacostia	2568.609
2366		2568.999	where at the time, white people lived.	2570.804
2367	DCB_int_01	2573.961	And now that's a very different	2575.587
2369		2575.75	area.	2576.147
2371		2578.692	I wanna ask you a question, but before- Cause I wanna ask how you- about college. But before that,	2582.949
2373		2583.634	do you remember the riots? The sixties,	2586.115
2374	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2586.045	<laugh>	2586.721
2375	DCB_int_01	2586.963	um-	2587.374
2376	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2587.68	[I'm not that old (whispering).]	2588.412
2377	DCB_int_01	2587.694	[I don't know how-]	2588.408
2378		2588.627	[That's what-]	2588.977
2379	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2588.641	[<laugh>] I'm [just kidding. <laugh>]	2589.923
2380	DCB_int_01	2589.182	[So I think you were] really young,	2590.746
2381	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2591.084	I [was really young.]	2591.849
2382	DCB_int_01	2591.233	[but do you have] any	2592.199
2383		2592.516	like- how it affected you as a- a very young person or how you heard your parents talk about it?	2597.415
2384	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2592.52	[Yeah.]	2592.819
2385		2598.636	So	2599.54
2387		2599.993	um,	2600.45
2389		2601.634	w- Okay.	2602.119
2391		2602.361	The-	2602.487
2393		2602.706	Were the riots happen in sixty	2604.054
2395		2604.534	three?	2604.791
2396	DCB_int_01	2605.248	There was [sixty three and then sixty] eight.	2607.191
2397	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2605.615	[No, /sixties/.]	2606.342
2398	DCB_int_01	2608.058	Um-	2608.73
2399	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2608.949	Okay, I have to remember.	2609.877
2401		2610.003	Okay, so-	2611.308
2402	DCB_int_01	2612.408	I think the looting was- Was that sixty-eight-ish?	2616.049
2403	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2616.609	When did- When was Martin Luther King- King	2618.333
2404	DCB_int_01	2618.501	That [was sixty] eight.	2619.401
2405	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2618.622	[killed?]	2618.995
2406		2619.625	He was killed in sixty eight?	2620.8
2407	DCB_int_01	2622.073	Am I making that up?	2622.875
2409		2623.116	Or [sixty] three?	2623.89
2410	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2623.321	[No.]	2623.61
2411	DCB_int_01	2625.032	Maybe it's sixty three.	2626.016
2413		2626.133	Now I'm getting all confused.	2627.495
2414	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2627.518	Me too.	2628.035
2415	DCB_int_01	2629.038	Sixties.	2629.68
2416	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2630.272	It was in the [sixties. I was a little girl] in the sixties.	2633.112
2417	DCB_int_01	2630.804	[<laugh>]	2631.951
2418	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2633.215	I was	2633.709
2420		2634.129	born in sixty one.	2635.224
2422		2636.063	So	2636.832
2424		2637.023	I think	2637.951
2426		2639.359	I remember	2640.366
2428		2642.025	the march on Washington. My mother was-	2644.915
2430		2645.05	So he was still alive,	2646.361
2432		2648.025	and I shoulda know this cause I saw something about Kennedy the other day	2650.916
2434		2652.09	on hi- by his assassination, but	2654.077
2436		2654.258	um,	2654.617
2438		2657.288	<ts>	2657.405
2440		2657.461	I know my mother said she didn't go to the march on Washington because	2660.436
2442		2663.61	she was pregnant with	2665.032
2444		2666.481	my brother.	2667.181
2446		2668.309	Think my younger brother, so that was sixty three.	2670.589
2448		2673.292	So that means I was-	2674.743
2450		2676.267	I don't know.	2676.748
2452		2678.08	I don't have any independent recollection of that.	2680.519
2453	DCB_int_01	2680.906	Mm.	2681.134
2454	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2681.339	I-	2681.671
2456		2682.025	I have	2682.794
2458		2683.634	some	2684.16
2460		2684.817	remembrances of things that happened in the sixties like,	2687.717
2462		2688.538	um,	2689.149
2464		2693.083	I remember my mother talking about- And I don't remember this, but I remember my mother talking about- So we lived	2698.328
2466		2699.442	um-	2699.899
2468		2700.738	So we lived- There's this bridge called the Susan Bridge,	2703.353
2469	DCB_int_01	2704.15	Mm-hm.	2704.481
2470	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2704.523	which separated	2705.633
2472		2706.3	um,	2706.687
2474		2707.806	Southeast from b- really the rest of the city.	2710.094
2476		2710.817	And so	2711.759
2478		2712.692	when	2713.144
2480		2713.307	the- either the ri- when the riots happened, they-	2716.23
2482		2716.799	they had the um-	2717.918
2484		2719.657	<ts>	2719.783
2486		2719.839	What do you call those	2720.938
2488		2721.484	people?	2721.917
2490		2723.395	The National Guard	2724.687
2492		2726.22	shut the bridge down,	2727.362
2494		2729.018	so we couldn't get in or out.	2730.654
2496		2731.89	And so my mother used to always say- And not- She's not the only one that said this. I heard a lot of people say this-	2736.5
2498		2736.85	That was to contain the black people	2738.557
2500		2739.651	cause most of the black people lived across the bridge in Southeast.	2742.421
2502		2744.793	Um,	2745.334
2504		2746.887	I also remember	2748.025
2506		2749.517	at the church	2750.272
2508		2750.826	that I w- went to, which was across the street,	2752.938
2510		2753.181	um-	2753.587
2512		2756.91	I don't know what this was, but	2758.188
2514		2758.733	they had- we had a very liberal minister. He w-	2761.018
2516		2761.13	He was a white guy, but for some reason he wanted to come to a black church.	2764.225
2518		2765.503	And um-	2766.141
2520		2768.761	Probably to prove how liberal he was.	2770.514
2522		2771.568	And he had-	2772.263
2524		2773.2	He /rused/ to wear his hair- hair long which	2774.938
2526		2775.465	the men-	2775.857
2528		2775.978	the white men did at that time.	2777.447
2530		2778.808	So you know, he was kind of a different priest kind- type of minister,	2781.958
2532		2782.328	you know,	2782.701
2534		2783.703	and real progressive-	2785.216
2536		2785.648	Whatever.	2786.257
2538		2787.526	I remember there being	2788.836
2540		2789.251	people-	2789.633
2542		2789.848	They let people sleep in the church	2791.522
2544		2792.378	when people- And that might have been Vietnam.	2794.038
2545	DCB_int_01	2795.493	Mm.	2795.671
2547		2795.899	Mm-hm.	2796.216
2548	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2796.431	You know, it was	2797.228
2550		2797.433	a lot going on in DC.	2798.613
2551	DCB_int_01	2798.835	[/Yeah./]	2799.101
2552	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2798.854	[But I] was real little,	2799.684
2553		2799.903	<laugh> so	2800.537
2555		2801.587	um,	2801.964
2557		2804.123	that mighta been when the people came to protest for Vietnam,	2806.653
2558	DCB_int_01	2806.794	Okay.	2807.148
2559	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2807.251	and then he would let them sleep.	2808.594
2561		2809.116	They would-	2809.447
2563		2809.648	They would camp- They could camp out in the church. I remember that-	2812.565
2565		2813.638	visually remembering that.	2814.906
2567		2816.425	You know.	2816.827
2569		2818.085	If I had other people, my friends, my brothers here, they probably could jog my memory.	2822.221
2570	DCB_int_01	2823.083	And I have no [recollection], like, [you know.]	2825.041
2571	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2823.992	[Yeah.]	2824.495
2573		2824.738	[I] know you wouldn't have any recollection of any of it.	2827.088
2574		2827.279	Yeah, so	2828.184
2576		2829.456	you know.	2829.768
2577	DCB_int_01	2830.192	So how did you get to /RD-SCHOOL-1/?	2831.349
2578	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2833.284	Um,	2833.946
2580		2835.311	I am-	2836.015
2582		2836.654	Back then,	2837.307
2584		2841.381	they were dying for black kids.	2843.097
2586		2844.85	Black kids, they thought were smart,	2846.313
2588		2846.523	and they would throw money at you.	2847.759
2590		2849.046	<ts>	2849.158
2592		2850.048	Um,	2850.552
2594		2850.771	somehow though, I decided that that was the um-	2853.563
2596		2856.193	I don't know how I decided that.	2857.634
2598		2860.598	That was the school I wanted to go to somehow I decided, and so I-	2864.459
2600		2865.153	I applied Early Decision.	2866.687
2602		2868.03	And I got in.	2868.72
2604		2870.453	And I got some money, but	2871.544
2606		2871.689	back then, money did- it didn't even really, you know-	2874.062
2608		2874.496	You didn't even need that much money to go to college. <laugh>	2876.999
2610		2877.255	Not like you do today.	2878.328
2611	DCB_int_01	2878.416	Right.	2878.766
2612	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2879.088	So my parents probably coulda paid for it.	2881.321
2614		2881.456	They w-	2881.699
2616		2882.128	coulda paid for it anyway,	2883.316
2618		2883.442	but	2883.623
2620		2884.612	I did get some money.	2885.638
2622		2887.419	Um,	2887.951
2624		2888.08	and then I went-	2888.775
2626		2889.148	Then I-	2889.572
2628		2889.889	I um-	2890.407
2630		2892.748	<ts>	2892.846
2632		2894.724	I w-	2895.003
2634		2895.418	went there.	2895.913
2636		2896.691	And then there was another girl from my neighborhood that I knew that was a-	2899.61
2638		2900.044	there before me so I went up there and visited.	2902.491
2640		2903.754	And um,	2904.743
2642		2906.3	you know,	2906.641
2644		2906.812	I really liked it.	2907.526
2646		2909.577	I mean I liked it.	2910.445
2648		2911.974	I don't think I applied to any other school.	2913.572
2650		2915.587	I don't remember applying to any other school.	2917.33
2651	DCB_int_01	2918.71	So how'd you get back to /RD-SCHOOL-4/?	2920.038
2652	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2921.022	Well this is the private- per- personal part of it.	2923.54
2654		2923.736	I had	2924.384
2656		2924.495	a-	2924.616
2658		2924.877	um-	2925.087
2660		2925.432	really big problem with depression.	2926.952
2662		2927.992	And I still do.	2928.855
2664		2929.652	Um,	2930.179
2666		2931.027	so	2931.609
2668		2931.749	I-	2932.323
2670		2932.934	And it started when I was in high school.	2934.962
2672		2935.601	I had my first episode in high school.	2937.451
2674		2939.032	And then,	2939.684
2676		2940.477	my parents,	2941.2
2678		2942.406	because they were	2943.241
2680		2944.29	educated and progressive,	2946.151
2682		2947.363	and f-	2948.188
2684		2949.903	They- You know, there wasn't-	2951.092
2686		2951.643	They didn't have that-	2952.915
2688		2953.139	I mean I have to say that that's what it is because you know, people in the black community do not	2956.985
2690		2957.293	deal well with	2958.127
2692		2958.673	mental illness. And that's a special	2960.417
2694		2960.826	um,	2961.171
2696		2961.796	issue t- That's a	2962.607
2698		2962.766	issue of great concern to me.	2964.398
2700		2965.843	You know, being with somebody who has struggled with mental illness,	2968.267
2702		2969.325	and um,	2970.113
2704		2972.081	they sent me to a psychiatrist.	2973.707
2706		2974.323	He was a black guy,	2975.246
2708		2975.866	probably one of the few in the city	2977.275
2710		2977.615	at the time.	2978.174
2712		2978.915	And so I-	2979.95
2714		2980.985	You know, that's when I got diagnosed.	2982.743
2716		2984.361	But he thought that I	2985.634
2718		2985.731	um,	2986.141
2720		2986.631	was just having a-	2987.624
2722		2989.074	like a-	2989.517
2724		2990.105	You know they have this thing with like-	2991.325
2726		2992.523	that I	2992.957
2728		2993.074	was having an episode because I was-	2995.111
2730		2996.01	because it was	2996.644
2732		2996.859	l- like separation	2998.262
2734		2999.381	from y- my parents,	3000.505
2735	DCB_int_01	3000.477	Mm.	3000.668
2736	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3000.724	that	3000.86
2738		3001.083	you know,	3001.349
2740		3002.747	um, in going away to college.	3004.593
2742		3005.022	But it turned out to be something	3006.57
2744		3006.846	more than that. So when I went to sc- when I went away,	3009.568
2746		3010.286	I	3010.882
2748		3012.216	had another episode,	3013.498
2750		3014.038	and so I- You know, I didn't	3016.104
2752		3016.621	really know how to deal with it.	3018.067
2754		3018.771	So I just decided that I wanted to come home.	3020.701
2755	DCB_int_01	3021.106	Mm.	3021.358
2756	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3021.978	You know, and I came home.	3023.405
2757	DCB_int_01	3026.551	And /RD-SCHOOL-4/-	3027.306
2759		3027.577	And you went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	3028.598
2761		3029.06	Did you get [really]-	3029.904
2762	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3029.591	[<scoff>]	3029.899
2763		3030.095	I hated /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	3031.046
2764	DCB_int_01	3031.242	Well,	3031.573
2766		3031.727	Georgetown is great. No- (laughing).	3033.148
2767	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3033.395	[Geo- I should have gone- I wanted to go] to Georgetown. I mean, I don't know what Georgetown's like now, but	3037.368
2768	DCB_int_01	3033.409	[<laugh>]	3034.887
2769	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3037.979	Georgetown back then-	3039.185
2771		3039.754	You know, you're talking about the Georgetown of those basketball players.	3042.738
2773		3043.693	Okay,	3044.109
2775		3044.178	that was-	3044.793
2777		3045.367	We used to- We used to even go- There was a place	3047.731
2779		3047.852	on Georgetown's campus.	3050.342
2781		3051.987	I can't remember the name of it now (whispering).	3053.465
2783		3054.123	But it was like The Cellar.	3055.326
2784	DCB_int_01	3055.993	The Tombs.	3056.79
2785	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3057.143	Yeah, the- I think they changed names.	3058.966
2787		3059.148	We- They had black night there.	3060.757
2789		3062.369	And that place,	3062.975
2791		3063.153	which was hopping,	3064.057
2793		3064.188	okay?	3064.542
2795		3065.335	It was like Thursday nights or something like that.	3067.624
2797		3068.831	But that was when Patrick Ewing and	3070.64
2799		3072.085	them were there,	3072.869
2801		3073.041	and	3073.34
2803		3073.47	it was	3073.895
2805		3074.202	very-	3074.767
2807		3075.218	They had quite-	3075.955
2809		3076.22	You know, and I hear this about	3077.456
2811		3077.778	a lot of the colleges throughout the country. They're not as um-	3080.999
2813		3081.544	Cause I had a girlfriend that when to Brown, and you would go on Brown's campus,	3084.65
2815		3085.662	and you wouldn't know you were on a white school campus.	3088.043
2817		3089.134	They would have parties- Like, they were partying in the hood	3091.606
2819		3093.129	on Brown's campus. And same with Harvard.	3094.929
2821		3096.333	Cause when I was in- in Boston, we would go to Harvard,	3098.78
2823		3099.721	and	3099.973
2825		3100.654	I mean-	3101.069
2827		3101.615	But I understand the schools are not like that anymore.	3104.095
2829		3104.775	And that's how Georgetown was.	3106.178
2831		3107.876	Okay?	3108.235
2833		3109.205	And /RD-SCHOOL-4/ did-	3109.997
2835		3110.128	s- I don't know how /RD-SCHOOL-4/ fell- fell by the [wayside] (laughing).	3113.176
2836	DCB_int_01	3112.579	[<laugh>]	3113.293
2837	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3113.871	But /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was not	3114.995
2839		3115.279	um,	3115.592
2841		3116.281	you know-	3116.641
2843		3117.008	It wasn't quite like that,	3118.141
2845		3118.416	but	3118.687
2847		3119.75	it was um-	3120.538
2849		3120.971	And you know, I was a commuter student too, so it was kind of hard to get really-	3124.845
2851		3125.554	And it was so different from /RD-SCHOOL-1/. I had-	3127.47
2853		3128.268	I made such-	3129.246
2855		3129.404	As a matter of fact, one of my best friends to this day, even though I was there for a half an hour-	3133.251
2857		3133.843	The I was telling you who-	3134.942
2859		3135.456	who's on the	3135.997
2861		3136.328	uh,	3136.584
2863		3136.771	Board of Directors of the Boys and Girls Club in Westchester?	3139.167
2865		3139.699	I met her at /RD-SCHOOL-1/.	3140.701
2866	DCB_int_01	3141.05	Mm.	3141.376
2867	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3141.572	She's still my good friend.	3142.739
2869		3143.377	I mean like, for-	3144.193
2871		3144.347	thirty something years later.	3145.614
2873		3147.46	And she's the Godmother to my daughter,	3149.237
2875		3150.072	so	3150.645
2877		3151.149	you know, I	3151.68
2879		3151.853	really bonded with a lot of people there	3153.833
2881		3154.463	at /RD-SCHOOL-1/.	3155.088
2883		3155.633	So I was heartbroken when I had to come home, but I was just too sick.	3158.739
2885		3160.328	You know, I was too sick, or I f-	3162.025
2887		3162.225	You know.	3162.603
2889		3165.092	So	3165.703
2891		3165.801	um, that's how I ended- I actually made the decision to go to /RD-SCHOOL-4/ because I didn't have a car,	3170.258
2893		3171.325	and	3171.973
2895		3173.228	I knew	3173.582
2897		3174.016	I would have to catch the Metro.	3175.335
2899		3176.417	So it was a practical decision.	3178.397
2900	misc	3180.566	I'm just saying goodnight and let you know I'm leaving.	3182.086
2901	DCB_int_01	3182.193	Goodnight, I'll see you Monday.	3183.353
2902	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3183.446	Goodnight.	3183.889
2904		3184.985	I didn't wanna go to Howard because I didn't think-	3186.804
2906		3187.508	Well,	3187.727
2908		3187.857	that's another thing. My girlfriend and I were talking about this.	3190.288
2910		3191.036	/Unintelligible/.	3191.526
2912		3191.633	The same girlfriend of mine because her son goes to Howard, and now my daughter goes to Spelman. And we were like,	3196.076
2914		3196.197	wait a minute.	3196.766
2916		3198.533	You know,	3198.953
2918		3199.344	it's something about	3200.23
2920		3200.793	that	3201.036
2922		3201.278	generation. Now you-	3202.29
2924		3202.901	you know, you	3203.372
2926		3203.726	are clearly the exception but	3205.139
2928		3205.279	it's something about that generation. We	3207.269
2930		3207.992	were like-	3208.579
2932		3209.237	My parents went to black schools.	3211.2
2934		3211.871	They had to go to black schools.	3213.372
2936		3214.267	Her parents went to black schools. They had to go to black schools.	3217.256
2938		3220.309	O- Once we got the o-	3221.657
2940		3221.838	the-	3222.09
2942		3222.888	the choice,	3223.825
2944		3225.302	a lot of us turned-	3226.342
2946		3226.645	turned our noses up against black schools.	3228.752
2947	DCB_int_01	3229.177	Mm.	3229.452
2948	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3229.494	So Howard wasn't even really a consideration for me.	3232.08
2950		3232.523	Even though I know-	3233.162
2952		3233.349	I know	3233.675
2954		3233.848	people that went to Howard.	3234.818
2956		3235.848	You know, but a lot of people	3236.994
2958		3237.218	in	3237.409
2960		3237.661	this city went- they went to Howard by default.	3239.521
2962		3241.634	/Funny./	3242.207
2964		3242.635	You know (laughing).	3243.278
2966		3246.202	You know, so	3247.004
2968		3248.305	you know. But that's how I felt about it.	3250.011
2970		3250.118	And when she and I talked about it,	3251.521
2972		3251.68	and she was like, Well that-	3252.957
2974		3253.666	you know, that's had to have been going-	3255.045
2976		3255.33	Aside from the fact that	3256.435
2978		3256.547	white schools w-	3257.181
2980		3257.498	were throwing money at us.	3258.65
2981	DCB_int_01	3259.125	Mm.	3259.312
2982	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3260.169	So	3260.599
2984		3261.25	you know-	3261.633
2986		3264.748	you know that was a big consideration too.	3266.37
2988		3267.031	But that didn't h- have say anything to do with why I didn't apply to Howard.	3270.006
2990		3271.177	[You know.]	3271.578
2991	DCB_int_01	3271.186	[<laugh>]	3273.181
2992	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3271.89	[<laugh>]	3272.672
2993		3273.381	But Howard did not have- Howard didn't have a Metro at the time either.	3276.622
2994	DCB_int_01	3278.044	That is true.	3278.687
2995	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3279.432	Howard did not have a Metro, so /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was	3282.048
2997		3283.195	Catholic,	3283.848
2999		3284.859	AU.	3285.334
3001		3286.164	I didn't think about those.	3287.26
3003		3288.225	So that's how I ended up at /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	3289.997
3005		3291.526	And um,	3292.239
3007		3292.551	/RD-SCHOOL-4/ was not as hard as /RD-SCHOOL-1/.	3294.431
3009		3295.62	That's another thing. That's ho- [I mean] because I've been to- through different schools, I can say	3299.553
3010	DCB_int_01	3296.728	[Hm?]	3296.933
3011	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3300.706	you know, that certain schools are harder than others.	3302.883
3012	DCB_int_01	3303.264	Mm-hm.	3303.572
3013	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3304.528	You know,	3304.82
3015		3304.943	/RD-SCHOOL-4/ wasn't as hard as /RD-SCHOOL-1/.	3306.608
3017		3308.403	You know.	3308.781
3018	DCB_int_01	3309.456	That surprises me.	3310.486
3020		3311.428	People talk about the academic rigor of /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	3313.708
3021	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3313.713	I think /RD-SCHOOL-4/ has changed.	3315.292
3022	DCB_int_01	3315.661	Mm.	3316.141
3023	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3316.645	I don't know, maybe it hasn't.	3317.824
3025		3320.067	I don't know.	3320.589
3027		3321.264	Maybe it was just my experience, but-	3323.148
3029		3323.232	but maybe	3323.843
3031		3323.946	they talk about the academic /of/ rigor, but	3325.946
3033		3326.608	/RD-SCHOOL-1/ was a little Ivy.	3328.071
3035		3329.302	I mean as /academic r- -ly/ as /RD-SCHOOL-4/ may or may not be, it is not academically as rigorous,	3335.251
3037		3335.367	a- I can say for sure, as Harvard.	3337.442
3039		3338.324	So [you have] different levels of academic rigor.	3340.673
3040	DCB_int_01	3338.504	[/Oh./]	3338.784
3041		3341.046	Right.	3341.302
3042	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3342.281	You know?	3342.645
3044		3343.452	I don't know.	3344.044
3046		3345.129	[I know] I went t- to those two schools and they-	3347.269
3047	DCB_int_01	3345.181	[/Could-/]	3345.367
3048	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3347.745	/RD-SCHOOL-4/- And I had the same major. /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was not	3350.487
3050		3351.913	as hard.	3352.467
3051	DCB_int_01	3353.228	What was your major in college?	3354.309
3052	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3354.435	Psychology.	3355.233
3053	DCB_int_01	3355.172	Psychology.	3355.797
3054	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3355.704	Surprise surprise.	3356.767
3055	DCB_int_01	3357.796	So how did you end up-	3358.99
3057		3359.395	How did you-	3359.904
3059		3360.174	Because your dad was an attorney, is that why you wanted to be an attorney?	3362.915
3060	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3363.274	Mm, no, not really.	3364.412
3062		3365.339	I think my mother really kind of pushed me.	3367.289
3064		3369.707	My father was very happy and very proud of me, no mistake.	3372.561
3066		3375.651	Um, and he did-	3376.817
3068		3379.773	I really wanted to be a psychologist,	3381.698
3070		3382.57	and um,	3383.437
3072		3383.708	he did	3384.407
3074		3385.247	um,	3385.727
3076		3385.871	he did tell me that he thought I would make more m-	3388.029
3078		3388.318	I wanted to get	3389.041
3080		3389.894	um- I-	3390.337
3082		3390.533	I wanted to get a-	3391.205
3084		3391.573	maybe a big	3392.212
3086		3392.392	um-	3392.784
3088		3395.353	<ts>	3395.484
3090		3395.568	I wanted to get a PhD in Psychology.	3397.279
3092		3397.372	Maybe a combined PhD	3399.129
3094		3399.306	JD,	3399.787
3095	DCB_int_01	3400.202	Mm-hm.	3400.533
3096	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3400.551	which was a program they had at the time.	3402.294
3098		3404.361	But he told me that he-	3405.53
3100		3405.941	he told me that um,	3407.33
3102		3408.72	I mean,	3409.13
3104		3409.47	you know.	3409.767
3106		3410.108	He was a man of	3410.947
3108		3412.146	few words but	3413.242
3110		3413.871	he told me that	3414.645
3112		3414.934	he thought I would make more money as a lawyer,	3416.835
3114		3417.568	that I wouldn't ma-	3418.024
3116		3418.22	I wouldn't make as much money as a um-	3420.058
3118		3421.466	as a-	3422.116
3120		3424.943	as a psychologist.	3426.244
3121	DCB_int_01	3429.409	[And so] attorney you were.	3430.528
3122	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3429.474	[S-]	3429.684
3123		3431.046	That's right.	3431.545
3124	DCB_int_01	3432.291	And you've been doing it for-	3433.498
3126		3433.895	That's been	3434.487
3128		3434.682	pretty much your whole adult careers?	3436.286
3130		3436.957	[In the legal field?]	3437.838
3131	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3436.962	[That's been my only] career	3438.375
3132		3438.902	as a d- as an adult.	3440.096
3133	DCB_int_01	3442.854	Have you enjoyed it?	3443.661
3134	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3443.894	No.	3444.225
3136		3444.575	I have not enjoyed it.	3445.559
3138		3449.19	I'm happy for the	3450.342
3140		3450.496	uh-	3451.041
3142		3451.233	What do you call it?	3451.787
3144		3457.051	Some of the skills that I've learn-	3459.036
3146		3459.246	that I learned in law school, but /oof/.	3461.521
3148		3463.885	Mm-mm. It's-	3464.487
3150		3464.943	Mm-mm.	3465.334
3152		3466.985	I mean-	3467.391
3154		3471.665	No, I haven't enjoyed it.	3472.845
3156		3475.456	And	3475.769
3158		3477.33	you know, I struggled through law school.	3479.148
3160		3480.216	So	3480.794
3162		3482.691	you know,	3482.975
3164		3484.202	common sense should have told me that I wasn't going to enjoy [being a lawyer (laughing).]	3487.523
3165	DCB_int_01	3486.752	[<laugh>]	3488.669
3166	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3489.992	I mean, it's just like,	3490.729
3168		3490.868	killing yourself to get through engineering school, and then expecting you- expecting you to like being an engineer.	3495.477
3170		3496.477	[You know?]	3497.102
3171	DCB_int_01	3496.551	[Doesn't work?]	3497.242
3172	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3497.479	No.	3497.992
3174		3498.356	You know?	3498.71
3176		3499.279	And I just-	3500.234
3178		3501.376	You know.	3501.735
3180		3503.214	I like the idea of the-	3504.794
3182		3504.995	the-	3505.307
3184		3505.564	you know,	3505.937
3186		3506.417	the-	3506.664
3188		3507.637	the title	3508.346
3190		3508.551	I guess, and	3509.293
3192		3510.281	you know, people-	3510.967
3194		3511.074	Some people are impressed.	3512.496
3196		3514.034	And I think when I first came out, I was impressed with myself,	3516.403
3198		3516.939	but it was because I um,	3518.571
3200		3520.318	<ts>	3520.407
3202		3520.463	I worked so hard.	3521.573
3204		3522.025	And I really didn't think I was gonna make it through.	3523.923
3206		3526.878	I worked really hard. And- and part of me-	3528.813
3208		3528.957	I mean I know a big part of me is	3530.627
3210		3531.325	um-	3531.731
3212		3532.435	I am-	3533.214
3214		3537.33	I wanted to prove to myself that I could do it,	3539.134
3215	DCB_int_01	3539.964	Mm-hm.	3540.244
3216	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3540.263	which is not a really good reason to	3542.016
3218		3542.44	start a career. But you know, when you're in it	3544.356
3220		3544.491	and you're young,	3545.363
3222		3545.535	you know.	3545.852
3224		3546.319	Cause I didn't want anybody to ever say that I c- I didn't wanna ever say	3549.88
3226		3550.094	that I couldn't do it,	3550.892
3228		3551.027	but you know,	3551.549
3230		3551.908	I sort of wanted to be a social worker,	3553.573
3232		3554.123	something like that.	3554.999
3234		3555.721	Or, I mean, I really still love psychology. I read about psychology,	3559.559
3236		3560.378	you know, that type of thing.	3561.376
3238		3562.724	You know, that's definitely who I am.	3564.542
3239	DCB_int_01	3566.061	Would you ever [go] back and study it?	3567.759
3240	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3566.392	[You know.]	3566.724
3241		3570.389	<ts>	3570.514
3243		3570.664	Um, no.	3571.783
3245		3572.291	Not at this point.	3573.134
3247		3574.761	I mean there are things that uh- that I can do to um-	3577.69
3249		3578.807	You know, at this point- At a certain point,	3580.593
3251		3580.817	you know, a job becomes	3582.174
3253		3582.305	a job.	3583.009
3255		3583.438	It becomes a way to	3585.306
3257		3586.677	uh,	3587.195
3259		3587.68	make money.	3588.412
3261		3590.099	And um,	3591.19
3263		3593.125	you know, don't get me wrong. I'm happy. I'm h- I have a good job,	3596.095
3265		3596.235	and um,	3597.129
3267		3598.178	it doesn't take up all of my time.	3599.815
3269		3601.913	You know.	3602.335
3271		3604.267	So	3604.799
3273		3605.955	um.	3606.468
3274	DCB_int_01	3611.997	I'm'a shift the conversation for a minute.	3613.679
3276		3615.47	Have you been a tourist in your own town?	3617.489
3277	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3617.862	[<laugh>]	3618.561
3278	DCB_int_01	3618.151	[You know, people] [travel miles] and miles to come to DC to go to the monuments, go to the White House, all these things, and it's in your backyard.	3624.295
3279	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3618.915	[That-]	3619.177
3280		3624.333	I have been so-	3625.428
3282		3625.68	That really just-	3626.915
3284		3627.623	The only time that I do that type of stuff-	3629.652
3286		3629.876	I mean I really wanna do better at that,	3631.661
3288		3631.797	and	3632.198
3290		3633.833	um-	3634.206
3292		3634.342	is when people come to town.	3635.568
3294		3637.414	Now	3637.713
3296		3638.17	I-	3638.529
3298		3639.801	You know, and I have a-	3641.232
3300		3642.65	And as I've gotten older, I definitely-	3644.827
3302		3645.204	You know, that's definitely on m- my to do list.	3647.815
3304		3648.804	Um, and then-	3649.47
3306		3649.736	You know, there's certain things that I even forgot existed, like the Frederick Douglass house is like, right	3654.724
3308		3654.883	in	3655.233
3310		3656.454	Anacostia, up on the hill,	3658.314
3312		3658.892	and I had totally forgotten about that until somebody	3661.303
3314		3662.91	mentioned-	3663.829
3316		3664.416	Did you tell me that?	3665.195
3317	DCB_int_01	3666.197	[Mm-mm.]	3666.519
3318	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3666.379	[No.] <laugh>	3667.512
3319		3667.662	There's somebody that I was talking to	3669.451
3321		3670.458	who said	3671.013
3323		3671.162	um,	3671.577
3325		3673.06	Yeah, and I went to the Frederick Douglass hou- I'm like- I was like, the-	3675.446
3327		3675.572	/dang/ I forgot about the Frederick Douglass house.	3677.573
3329		3678.151	I wanna go back and look at that.	3679.358
3331		3680.15	And um,	3681.208
3333		3683.367	<ts>	3683.465
3335		3684.915	the Smithsonians. I mean I do things like,	3687.782
3337		3688.29	when I'm like, super interested.	3690.067
3339		3691.195	Like,	3691.456
3341		3692.365	I wanted to go see the Bill Cosby exhibit,	3694.183
3343		3694.971	so I did that.	3695.717
3345		3695.843	You know.	3696.168
3347		3696.86	I- I have a girlfriend that actually got tickets to go to the White House,	3700.991
3349		3701.885	and	3702.528
3351		3703.489	um,	3704.058
3353		3705.073	she's coming from Florida to go,	3706.64
3355		3706.761	and she called me and asked me did I wanna go to the White House. I was like, Yeah, I-	3710.16
3357		3710.323	Have I ever been? I don't think I've ever been	3711.857
3359		3712.281	to the White House.	3713.078
3361		3713.512	I might have when I was little girl.	3714.985
3363		3715.732	You know.	3716.142
3365		3717.39	But no, I have not been a tourist in my home town. And that-	3720.211
3367		3720.291	that's definitely something that I need to-	3721.969
3369		3722.425	You know, I'm getting really up in age, and I really need to um-	3725.153
3371		3726.002	You know, and I wish I had taken- And I hope you do this with your daughter,	3729.008
3373		3730.155	like maybe every weekend when she gets to be a certain age,	3732.911
3375		3733.363	just	3733.564
3377		3733.895	make it a point to take her once place.	3736.02
3379		3737.629	You know?	3737.978
3380	DCB_int_01	3738.263	[Mm.]	3738.57
3381	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3738.323	[And as she] grows up,	3739.382
3382		3740.798	um-	3741.125
3384		3741.67	You know, she's in school here, so	3743.139
3385	DCB_int_01	3744.044	[She's in Georgia.]	3745.018
3386	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3744.048	[she's gonna g- she's gonna] go-	3745.275
3387		3746.338	She's /not/ in school in Georgia though.	3747.857
3388	DCB_int_01	3748.09	Mm-hm.	3748.374
3389	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3748.868	She goes to school in Georgia?	3749.983
3390	DCB_int_01	3750.085	Mm-hm.	3750.375
3391	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3751.2	Oh I didn't know that.	3752.021
3392	DCB_int_01	3752.22	She's here for the summers.	3753.362
3393	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3753.623	Oh,	3754.556
3395		3754.766	well that- You should definitely make a point of that because she's not gonna-	3757.839
3397		3758.058	you're not gonna- You know, if she was in school here, they would	3760.705
3399		3762.542	take her on little-	3763.293
3401		3763.447	take 'em on a little	3764.291
3403		3765.069	um,	3765.353
3405		3765.852	field trips and stuff like that. But you should- When she's here for the summer, you should just make it a point	3770.389
3407		3771.857	of saying, We're just gonna do one thing	3773.955
3409		3774.51	every weekend.	3775.298
3411		3778.509	Cause I wish I had done that with my daughter.	3780.081
3412	DCB_int_01	3782.136	Yeah.	3782.504
3413	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3783.199	You know.	3783.572
3415		3784.052	Cause there's a lot to see here.	3785.745
3416	DCB_int_01	3786.888	It is.	3787.433
3417	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3787.676	Tons of stuff to see here,	3789.181
3419		3789.292	and a lot of it is free.	3790.757
3420	DCB_int_01	3793.424	People come from miles and miles and [miles.]	3796.029
3421	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3795.362	[They come from]	3796.295
3422		3796.551	miles and mi- And the cherry blossoms,	3799.433
3424		3800.063	and you know, just-	3801.493
3426		3804.5	So yeah.	3805.172
3428		3806.546	No I have not been a- as much of a tourist in my own town- own town	3810.417
3430		3812.002	as I should be.	3812.826
3431	DCB_int_01	3814.365	There are two things that are very unique to DC.	3816.678
3433		3817.648	I'm pretty sure you can guess.	3819.143
3435		3819.6	Go go music	3820.426
3437		3820.542	[and mumbo sauce.]	3821.659
3438	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3820.556	[Oh God. Here we go.]	3821.95
3439	DCB_int_01	3822.286	<laugh>	3822.785
3440	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3822.799	Well they just had something on the radio talking about go go. Can they keep it alive?	3826.621
3441	DCB_int_01	3828.827	Do you like go go music?	3829.955
3442	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3830.114	It's alr- Yeah I like Chuck Brown. I actually looked at	3832.682
3444		3832.799	um-	3833.316
3446		3833.824	I also have to say- You know what?	3835.405
3448		3835.708	And I'm gonna say this, and my friend got mad at me	3837.526
3450		3838.043	cause I have another friend, and he wants to come do this interview so bad.	3841.265
3452		3841.68	And he was calling me.	3842.669
3454		3843.288	He's like, Well have you gone yet?	3844.533
3455	DCB_int_01	3844.724	<laugh>	3845.782
3456	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3846.319	I was like, /RD-NAME-2/.	3847.135
3458		3848.961	And then I was telling him that you were from Georgia, right?	3851.013
3459	DCB_int_01	3851.162	Mm-hm.	3851.549
3460	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3852.053	He went to Morehouse, so he's like,	3853.321
3462		3853.983	I bet I know her father.	3855.241
3464		3855.367	I was like, /RD-NAME-2/.	3856.127
3466		3856.78	He said, ask her if she knows so and so and so. I [was like, She's not gonna know] these old people.	3860.641
3467	DCB_int_01	3858.846	[<laugh>]	3859.811
3468		3860.891	[<laugh>]	3863.643
3469	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3861.348	[She- <laugh>]	3863.829
3470		3864.547	But um, so he um-	3866.464
3472		3866.756	We had this debate	3867.768
3474		3867.964	cause I told him	3868.635
3476		3868.761	I didn't get into go go when I was younger.	3870.673
3478		3872.338	I didn't go to those go go places,	3874.099
3480		3874.663	and he was like-	3875.489
3482		3876.062	Cause I said- And I was telling him- I said, That was socioeconomic.	3878.999
3484		3879.241	That was a socioeconomic thing.	3880.873
3486		3881.363	And he said- Although my daughter is very much into go go, okay?	3883.853
3488		3884.496	So he said-	3885.153
3490		3885.707	<ts>	3885.782
3492		3885.866	He said, No it's not. No it's not.	3887.447
3494		3888.514	So we were having that debate or whatever. It-	3890.403
3496		3890.84	it- Go go miss-	3891.829
3498		3891.936	I- Somehow go- I missed go go	3893.856
3500		3894.006	um,	3894.403
3502		3894.58	coming up.	3895.144
3504		3895.377	But	3895.573
3506		3895.778	um,	3896.072
3508		3897.936	<ts>	3898.08
3510		3899.386	I like it.	3899.997
3512		3900.216	And I s-	3900.99
3514		3901.13	And I mean I like some of it.	3902.557
3515	DCB_int_01	3902.877	Mm.	3903.078
3516	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3903.213	And then, I um-	3904.822
3518		3905.456	But I didn't-	3906.169
3520		3907.33	I wasn't involved when I was younger. I never went to a go go	3910.262
3522		3910.677	um, whatever they call it.	3911.615
3524		3912.379	They ha- They have a name for it.	3913.545
3526		3914.835	Maybe it's go [go. <laugh>]	3918.342
3527	DCB_int_01	3915.484	[I think it's the go go. <laugh>]	3917.884
3528		3918.393	You go to the go go and then you	3919.918
3530		3920.058	hear go go music.	3920.966
3531	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3921.008	Right.	3921.446
3532	DCB_int_01	3921.647	Mm-hm.	3921.922
3533	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3922.36	I never-	3922.799
3535		3922.962	I never went to any- any go go parties. I never dance,	3926.305
3537		3927.437	you know, into- went into any house parties where they did go go.	3930.533
3539		3931.405	Um,	3931.983
3541		3935.102	and uh,	3935.852
3543		3938.23	you know, I basically was f-	3939.609
3545		3940.183	first really turned on to go go by	3942.514
3547		3942.864	Spike Lee's movie.	3943.988
3548	DCB_int_01	3945.875	/Do [the Right Thing]/	3946.858
3549	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3946.043	[You] know and that was when I was in college or a little bit after college /during the ?/- And that's-	3949.769
3550		3949.988	that took it-	3950.528
3552		3951.232	He- You know, he kind of took it on the national level	3953.391
3553	DCB_int_01	3953.698	Mm-hm.	3954.113
3554	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3954.053	with that.	3954.463
3555		3955.195	He hooked up with Chuck Brown	3956.496
3557		3957.418	or he came to- He used to hang out in DC,	3959.577
3559		3960.328	and he would come down to DC from New York. And then he heard go go, and then, you know, when it became famous,	3965.712
3561		3966.487	then he was like, I'm gonna- You know, I'm'a-	3967.946
3563		3968.133	I'm'a put-	3968.613
3565		3968.826	go go on the map.	3969.726
3567		3970.495	You know?	3970.864
3569		3971.433	So	3972.039
3571		3972.361	but	3972.687
3573		3972.981	um,	3973.452
3575		3975.05	Chuck Brown was a genius. And I actually saw something. They do- They have this thing called Unsung.	3979.135
3576	DCB_int_01	3979.671	Mm-hm.	3980.063
3577	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3980.071	Unsung? They did something on him, and I saw that a few weeks ago.	3983.19
3579		3984.58	And um,	3985.34
3581		3986.943	you know,	3987.33
3583		3987.693	and mumbo sauce.	3988.743
3585		3992.131	That's so stereotypical (laughing).	3993.442
3587		3993.754	I don't even know what mumbo sauce is.	3995.661
3589		3998.854	I don't-	3999.162
3591		3999.274	I don't-	3999.6
3593		3999.721	I don't know if I've ever tasted mumbo sauce. I probably have.	4002.323
3595		4004.239	I probably have tasted it, but.	4005.577
3596	DCB_int_01	4007.661	Do you frequent the carry outs?	4009.265
3597	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4011.521	Mm, not anymore.	4012.743
3599		4013.111	No.	4013.423
3600	DCB_int_01	4016.733	Now how do you define a carry out?	4018.36
3601	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4020.118	Those things-	4020.598
3603		4020.743	that's just like the difference between	4022.38
3605		4023.474	uh,	4024.057
3607		4025.517	a wine and beer store and a liquor store.	4027.503
3608	DCB_int_01	4028.108	[<laugh>]	4030.197
3609	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4028.654	[<laugh>]	4029.167
3610		4031.666	I mean I used to go to the carry outs. Yeah.	4033.991
3611	DCB_int_01	4033.991	Mm.	4034.131
3612	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4035.442	I mean,	4035.861
3614		4038.323	and I know I have had mumbo sauce. I h- I can r-	4040.753
3616		4041.036	think in my head	4041.899
3618		4042.085	the times when I would go cause I had a girlfriend that liked mumbo sauce.	4044.971
3620		4045.773	But I'm- I'm /not/ like a real	4047.087
3622		4047.171	big	4047.451
3624		4047.693	food person	4048.724
3626		4048.808	in terms of like, experimenting with foods.	4050.943
3628		4051.046	/Blah de blah de blah/, that thing- that thing.	4052.72
3630		4053.446	But	4053.684
3632		4053.819	um, yeah carry out is the place where you can go and um-	4057.111
3634		4057.564	They don't have carry outs /everywhere/-	4058.627
3636		4058.724	/at o-/	4059.031
3638		4059.181	other places?	4059.899
3640		4060.16	/It's so funny/ (whispering).	4061.498
3642		4063.461	That's hilarious, a carry out.	4065.572
3644		4066.729	Um,	4067.204
3646		4067.325	it's the pl- it- it's usually you can't really go in there and sit.	4069.946
3648		4070.291	[<laugh>]	4072.542
3649	DCB_int_01	4070.989	[Mm-hm.]	4071.558
3650	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4073.251	You walk in and	4074.463
3652		4074.57	a lot of times they're-	4075.676
3654		4076.57	well they used to black people	4077.997
3656		4078.859	owned them, but now they're Asians.	4080.468
3658		4081.344	You go in there and	4082.701
3660		4082.84	um,	4083.442
3662		4085.531	make- put your order,	4086.701
3664		4087.237	and they	4087.592
3666		4087.759	put your order in a bag. They go to- to the back.	4089.945
3668		4090.076	They make the food.	4090.915
3670		4091.657	Usually they have chicken,	4093.041
3672		4093.61	wings, as they call 'em.	4095.027
3674		4096.323	And they- and	4097.148
3676		4097.4	yes, people want mumbo sauce with it.	4099.368
3678		4100.398	And um,	4101.326
3680		4102.771	you know,	4103.2
3682		4103.671	they	4104.011
3684		4104.589	I guess sometimes they have burgers and fries and-	4107.008
3686		4107.54	But it's usually in my head- in the back of my head, it's usually chicken wings.	4111.055
3688		4112.081	And then you-	4113.055
3690		4113.693	they put it in a-	4114.551
3692		4115.083	they cook it.	4115.638
3694		4116.295	They put it in a bag,	4117.372
3696		4118.346	wrap it up,	4118.952
3698		4119.731	put it in a bag, and you walk out.	4121.339
3700		4121.577	You pay 'em and you walk out.	4122.636
3702		4122.78	And you have-	4123.251
3704		4123.419	you buy a soda.	4124.529
3705	DCB_int_01	4124.943	[<laugh>]	4127.778
3706	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4125.731	[<laugh> And you walk out.]	4127.792
3707		4127.932	You can't sit down	4129.069
3709		4129.918	cause it's a carry out.	4130.879
3711		4131.101	You carry it out.	4131.936
3713		4132.724	That's why they call it a carry out.	4133.997
3715		4135.889	Cause you carry it [out] (laughing).	4137.115
3716	DCB_int_01	4136.747	[That was a] very good description.	4138.498
3717	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4138.337	<laugh>	4139.064
3718	DCB_int_01	4138.864	[And we] don't have like-	4140.407
3719		4143.983	What I think of carry out for me-	4145.941
3721		4146.062	what I originally thought it was just a Chinese	4147.839
3723		4147.932	restaurant.	4148.408
3725		4148.561	Like,	4148.818
3727		4148.989	that you just go pick up the food.	4150.328
3729		4151.125	But we don't have these	4152.062
3731		4152.188	all like	4152.981
3733		4153.47	pan	4154.277
3735		4155.041	nationality of food. Like you can't go get Asian	4158.659
3737		4159.447	American seaf- You- We don't have those types of places. Like, it's	4163.13
3739		4163.349	kind of your one stop	4164.295
3741		4164.44	Walmart shop	4165.303
3743		4165.442	for food? We don't have that.	4166.613
3745		4167.073	[So-]	4167.381
3746	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4167.078	[Where you're] from.	4167.749
3747	DCB_int_01	4167.805	Mm-hm.	4168.202
3749		4168.295	So-	4168.481
3751		4168.654	So I didn't understand that concept.	4170.715
3753		4171.088	So when I see I can get a steak and cheese and spare rib tips and shrimp at a c-	4176.155
3755		4176.547	It	4176.808
3757		4177.06	messed me up a little bit. [Like, what?]	4178.734
3758	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4178.17	[Yeah.]	4178.692
3759		4179.059	It's confusing. [And then you-]	4180.211
3760	DCB_int_01	4179.861	[/And then you-/]	4180.216
3761	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4180.342	You got to know where you're going though.	4181.549
3763		4182.449	And some of 'em are very-	4183.704
3765		4183.988	are- have good reputations	4185.53
3767		4186.365	I think. And some of 'em,	4187.675
3769		4189.279	you know,	4189.666
3771		4191.516	they don't.	4192.006
3772	DCB_int_01	4192.509	<laugh>	4193.106
3773	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4193.102	But I don't go. I don't-	4194.193
3774		4194.454	Yeah, I haven't been to a carry out in a long time.	4196.5
3775	DCB_int_01	4197.073	Mm.	4197.516