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1	LES_int_01	0.6352	Alright, so I turned the recorder on. So, it's uh, October thirtieth	4.0707
3		4.3575	two thousand eight.	5.4925
5		5.8077	And we're talking to	7.1685
7		7.5529	/RD-NAME-2/	8.3767
9		8.6086	AKA	9.5727
10	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	9.7863	Big Shot.	10.3723
11	LES_int_01	10.3723	<laugh>	11.4097
13		11.7148	What's your last name?	12.4918
14	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	12.7542	/RD-NAME-4/	13.9075
15	LES_int_01	13.9075	Okay, cool.	14.6154
17		14.8314	So, /RD-NAME-2/. So, normally, I ask people to start	17.6933
19		18.0411	right at the beginning	18.8881
21		19.0955	and tell me when and where	20.6869
23		20.9065	they were born.	21.4986
24	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	22.6700	Um.	23.1560
26		23.5770	I was born in Brooklyn, New York.	25.1514
28		25.3283	Basically.	25.8226
29	LES_int_01	25.8775	Okay.	26.1521
30	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	27.0674	And	27.8636
32		28.5165	I lost a brother in nineteen seventy-nine	31.4315
34		31.8648	due to a fire.	32.7557
36		33.0608	A house fire.	33.7626
37	LES_int_01	34.4218	[/??/]	35.0161
38	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	34.6400	[And we] reloaded-	35.5061
39		35.6830	we relocated	36.5959
41		36.7241	to the Lower East Side of Manhattan in nineteen seventy-nine.	39.1954
42	LES_int_01	39.2559	I see.	39.7443
43	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	39.9742	August sixth, nineteen seventy-nine, a matter of fact.	42.2137
44	LES_int_01	42.5005	Okay.	42.8405
46		43.0175	And how old were you?	43.8149
47	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	43.9694	I was nine years old.	44.9519
48	LES_int_01	45.3668	So, you were born in nineteen seventy.	46.6664
49	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	46.8128	Yes.	47.3378
50	LES_int_01	47.6063	Got it. [Got it.]	48.4118
51	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	48.0213	[Yes.]	48.3203
52	LES_int_01	48.9388	Tell me, uh, like a little bit about your family. How did your parents end up in	53.0796
54		53.2138	Brook- Where in Brooklyn were you born?	54.3610
55	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	54.9163	We was born- uh- well I was born in Bed-Stuy.	57.4881
56	LES_int_01	57.7505	Yeah.	57.9623
57	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	58.0311	Gates and Stuyvesant.	59.1417
58	LES_int_01	59.3553	Yeah.	59.5262
59	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	60.0241	And.	60.6770
61		61.4703	It was a family of eleven.	62.9357
62	LES_int_01	63.8205	Oh my God.	64.5161
63	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	64.6321	And me,	65.4986
65		65.6389	me and	66.5053
67		67.0301	ten more siblings.	68.2255
68	LES_int_01	68.7686	Wow.	69.4032
69	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	69.8121	And.	70.5749
70	LES_int_01	70.8970	All my the same mom?	71.8490
71	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	72.4183	Um.	73.0285
73		73.1445	All by the same moms	74.4564
75		74.5968	and	75.1460
77		75.4511	my father and a step pops.	76.9217
78	LES_int_01	77.5258	Wow.	78.0567
79	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	78.1898	But, it was [definitely.]	79.0807
80	LES_int_01	78.6658	[Your mom] had eleven [kids?]	80.3438
81	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	80.1120	[Yeah.] Six by one man	81.6192
82		81.9365	five by another. <laugh>	83.0105
83	LES_int_01	83.8750	Oh my God.	84.5523
84	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	84.9978	[Definitely.]	85.5592
85	LES_int_01	85.2349	[That's] a lot.	86.2173
86	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	86.4614	It is. [It is.]	87.3523
87	LES_int_01	86.9557	[Where do] you fall on the line?	87.9088
88	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	88.5495	Um.	89.0743
90		90.1239	Since my	91.0209
92		91.3992	the passing of my brother, /RD-NAME-3/,	93.3414
93	LES_int_01	93.4391	Yeah.	93.7259
94	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	94.2446	I have one younger than me, then me.	95.9085
95	LES_int_01	96.5492	[Wow.]	96.8978
96	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	96.7115	[So,] I'm at the	97.5813
97	LES_int_01	97.8343	[You're] almost at the [bottom.]	99.0303
98	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	97.8953	[the.]	98.1089
100		98.8107	[Yes.] Right before the bottom.	100.3911
101	LES_int_01	100.5614	Got it.	101.0008
103		101.1472	Got it. Okay, cool, so you lived in	103.0694
105		103.2036	Bed-Stuy for	104.3064
106	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	104.8434	[Nine years.]	105.8564
107	LES_int_01	104.8434	[nine years.]	105.8564
108		106.1855	What was that like?	106.8568
110		107.9796	What was it like [growing up during the seventies?]	109.6088
111	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	108.6325	[It was, it was.]	109.6027
112		109.9200	It was like	110.4875
114		111.1883	to me, I thought it was kind of like	112.6162
116		114.3191	different. Cause it was like	115.5273
118		116.8881	in the seventies, it was like black on black.	118.9567
120		119.2679	Like.	119.5425
122		119.8293	[I didn't] see no	121.4048
123	LES_int_01	119.8293	[Right.]	120.2647
124	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	122.5704	Not to many Spanish,	124.7671
126		125.1818	Caucasians.	126.0910
128		126.5731	It was more	127.1711
130		128.5624	eighty-nine percent	129.4486
132		130.1809	dominate Black.	131.2548
133	LES_int_01	131.2548	Yeah.	131.6637
134	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	132.0359	[At that time. And]	133.2197
135	LES_int_01	132.0359	[Yeah.]	132.3959
137		132.8353	[Right.]	133.2197
138	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	133.8910	Until I made that move to the Lower East Side.	135.8986
139	LES_int_01	136.3587	And then you saw?	137.3228
140	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	137.6401	Spanish	138.7080
142		139.0226	Caucasians, Asians, I saw some of everything once I touched	142.8785
143	LES_int_01	143.1775	Right.	143.5070
144	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	143.5070	the lower part of Manhattan.	144.7406
145	LES_int_01	144.9481	Right.	145.2959
147		145.4118	Right, right.	146.0221
148	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	146.3638	And	146.8336
150		147.0126	he-	147.1956
152		147.5801	that's where my life begin.	148.6785
154		148.9286	[<laugh>]	149.4290
155	LES_int_01	148.9286	[Really?]	149.4290
156	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	149.9233	Yes.	150.5274
157	LES_int_01	150.9301	S- uh,	151.8820
159		152.2542	and wha- and in Bed-Stuy, I mean	154.9491
161		155.1504	you were a little kid, so do you remember like playing games? And what did you do for fun when you were little?	159.3574
162	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	159.9432	<ts> Um, I remember playing freeze tag,	162.4124
163	LES_int_01	162.8762	Yeah.	163.2179
164	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	163.4437	Um. [K-]	164.1369
165	LES_int_01	163.9416	[Did] you guys t- play- have blocks? Did you play on the block? On the [street?]	166.7399
166	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	166.6484	[Yeah.] Block parties, like they blocked the blocks off, have some block parties.	170.7414
167		171.3150	Music,	172.0046
169		172.6087	I remember um,	173.5850
171		173.9633	<ts>	174.0976
173		174.6943	Kick- um, kick ba- uh	175.9574
175		176.1710	kickball, dodgeball.	177.4646
176	LES_int_01	177.6477	Yeah.	177.9345
177	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	178.1833	Yeah, we definitely had a lot of activities going on and then,	180.8500
179		180.9598	coming from a household of	182.6427
181		183.3017	ten more siblings	184.4184
183		184.8822	uh i-	185.2605
185		185.5107	of course we played tag and-	186.9935
187		187.1705	[and everything else]	188.1774
188	LES_int_01	187.3780	[Yeah.]	187.7746
189	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	188.4969	amongst each other.	189.3451
190	LES_int_01	189.8645	That's awesome, man, that must have been a lot of fun.	192.1406
191	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	192.7508	So.	193.1658
192	LES_int_01	193.5441	Is it uh, what's the break down of girls and boys in your family?	196.9983
193	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	197.2729	It was eight boys, three girls.	198.9998
194	LES_int_01	198.9998	Wow.	199.7504
195	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	200.1592	Definitely.	200.9094
196	LES_int_01	201.0742	Did the girls like	202.7034
198		203.1367	find it hard to like have boyfriends and stuff because all their brothers were. <laugh>	207.6955
199	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	207.8481	Um.	208.2325
200	LES_int_01	208.2325	Give them a hard time?	209.2943
201	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	209.6726	Not really cause they was like	211.4141
203		212.5613	Older than a l- a couple of boys [and.]	214.8538
204	LES_int_01	214.4328	[Yeah.]	214.8538
205	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	216.0498	And we was pretty well grounded, like we know right from wrong and	219.8475
207		219.9268	things like that.	220.7384
209		220.8848	But, we always have um.	222.2377
211		222.6649	Can uh. How you call it?	223.8975
213		224.9151	Voice our opinion, but.	226.3186
214	LES_int_01	226.8739	[Yeah.]	227.2461
215	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	226.9907	[Know.] It is what it is at the end of the day.	228.8815
216	LES_int_01	228.8815	Yeah, totally.	229.9737
218		230.7182	And so your mom and	232.1615
220		232.4544	and your dad, if he was around. And it must have been tough to rai- to support that many kids.	237.0189
221	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	237.0799	[Well, uh.]	238.0319
222	LES_int_01	237.3729	[What were they doing for work?]	238.6726
223	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	239.4476	My mom, she was um.	240.6375
225		241.0647	In the seventies, she was in charge of like	243.0246
227		244.1169	you know, the people would come and take care of the elderly, the home [attendants.]	247.5796
228	LES_int_01	247.5307	[Yeah.]	247.7687
229		248.1959	[Yeah.]	248.5132
230	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	248.2081	[She], she was something like that. [But she] had a good position.	251.3446
231	LES_int_01	249.9960	[Yeah.]	250.3438
232	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	252.1062	And my father was doing con- some	254.4723
234		254.6092	construction	255.3685
236		255.6004	up- work.	256.1206
238		256.2862	Like, I remember him leave	257.6750
239	LES_int_01	257.6750	Yeah.	257.9252
240	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	258.2181	and come back. Like every six days and construction work every four or five days [and]	262.8402
241	LES_int_01	262.6205	[Right.]	263.0232
242	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	263.7372	things like that. And then	264.9134
244		265.8593	all the older kids have jobs. And-	267.5843
246		268.3349	and things like [that. So]	269.5248
247	LES_int_01	269.1831	[Right.]	269.5248
248	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	269.6530	everybody played the part.	270.8368
249	LES_int_01	271.3006	[Right.]	271.5629
250	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	271.4104	[Basically.] We was living kind of	273.0432
251		273.9463	ghetto fabulous in the seventies, like	276.0393
252	LES_int_01	276.3994	[Really?]	276.7899
253	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	276.4116	[like] wow. Like I remember having everything.	278.6558
254		278.8999	I- I don't remember a bad moment.	280.4737
255	LES_int_01	281.1754	Wow.	281.5598
256	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	281.9321	So, it's like wow.	282.9145
258		283.1464	[Serious.]	283.8245
259	LES_int_01	283.5743	[And] you said your brother passed away in a fire?	285.8673
260	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	285.9968	Yeah. [Uh-]	286.5521
261	LES_int_01	286.3569	[Is] that something you wanna talk about, or is that?	288.4011
262	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	288.4743	[Um, I- Yeah.]	289.6255
263	LES_int_01	289.1373	[/? memory/.]	289.8635
264	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	290.9802	Um. Basically it was a summer night.	292.5264
266		293.5455	I think it was in July. In- matter of fact, it was on my, uh,	295.9436
268		296.1851	on one of the twin's birthday.	297.8510
270		298.0210	Yes. I have a	298.8518
272		299.0348	I have twin brother and sister named /RD-NAME-2/ and /RD-NAME-3/.	301.9556
274		302.9198	And it was July	304.7142
276		305.4525	nineteenth.	306.3801
278		307.4235	It was uh, uh, uh, uh, a	309.0904
280		309.3467	pipe-	309.5603
282		309.7616	a pipe bomb.	310.4695
284		310.5915	They threw in through the window.	311.8137
286		312.3446	A homemade pipe bomb and.	313.7993
287	LES_int_01	315.1723	Do you know who did it?	315.9412
288	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	316.0693	Uh. We never found out the main source behind it and all that and what was the reason. And.	321.0087
290		321.9442	But. Um.	322.6764
292		323.4453	Definitely, we all was in there	324.9464
294		325.2881	and we all made it out except for /RD-NAME-3/.	327.3568
296		327.4422	And.	327.8877
298		329.8633	Uh. It was just tragic.	330.8884
299	LES_int_01	331.0898	How old was he?	331.8416
300	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	331.9441	Seven.	332.4701
301	LES_int_01	332.7508	Wow.	333.1629
302	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	333.2206	He was seven, I was nine.	334.7279
304		335.5883	And	336.2290
306		337.5571	I'll never forget that day.	338.6921
307	LES_int_01	339.0949	That's awful.	339.9004
309		340.8863	And so that was one of the reasons you decided to leave [Bed-Stuy?]	344.1876
310	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	343.7299	[Yeah.]	344.2059
311		344.5476	That's the re- that was the main reason we decided to leave because it was a big fire and	349.2307
313		349.3466	by having so many siblings,	350.9456
315		352.1477	it was hard to place us like somewhere else and	354.4950
316	LES_int_01	354.7635	Right.	355.1113
317	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	355.2089	my moms just made a move to make a difference.	357.8024
318	LES_int_01	357.9183	Yeah.	358.2356
319	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	358.3699	Like um. Let's try Manhattan and the [next thing] you know,	361.2700
320	LES_int_01	360.5190	[Yeah.]	360.8119
321	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	362.9176	they had this	363.9101
323		364.1725	i- k- it's closed off now. It was six bedrooms,	366.9373
325		367.2058	two bathrooms here.	368.1333
327		368.2676	[But they just.]	368.8717
328	LES_int_01	368.5186	[Good place?]	369.2988
329	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	369.3477	Yeah. [They just] closed it off last week.	371.5309
330	LES_int_01	369.7260	[Wow.]	370.1897
331	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	372.0923	We had it over thirty years like that and.	374.1614
332	LES_int_01	374.4543	What happened?	375.2249
333	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	375.2249	Um.	375.9310
334		376.1568	The-	376.7365
336		377.0624	the ten siblings got down to like	379.1676
338		379.5154	one	380.2538
340		381.0498	and everything else, so everybody just relocated.	383.6371
341	LES_int_01	383.6920	Right.	384.2473
342	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	384.3381	[And they and.]	384.9117
343	LES_int_01	384.5212	[So,] they we- the didn't want you to have such [a big place?]	387.2184
344	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	386.4739	[Uh.]	386.6997
346		387.0170	[Exactly.]	387.6882
347		387.9384	For x amount of rent.	388.9087
348	LES_int_01	389.2687	Yeah. Yeah.	390.2077
349	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	390.5311	You know. And.	391.4587
350	LES_int_01	391.4587	Wow. So.	392.6059
352		393.0161	Okay. So, you moved into so this is /RD-ADDRESS-4/?	395.2617
353	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	395.5302	Yes.	395.9208
354	LES_int_01	396.9631	Cool. Okay. So you moved here, you were nine years old. It was like the end of the seventies.	400.9905
355	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	401.0881	The end of the [seventies.]	402.1631
356	LES_int_01	401.6749	[What do you] remember?	402.8442
357		402.9784	Wha- what was it like?	403.9792
358	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	404.9029	Growing up in the seventies?	406.0013
359	LES_int_01	406.0013	Yeah. Like coming- like moving here to the Lower East Side.	408.3750
360	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	408.9974	Uh. It was very different.	410.2301
362		410.7723	Like	411.0835
364		412.5786	I didn't know what was a Spanish person until I got here.	415.0865
365	LES_int_01	415.2086	Right.	415.5808
366	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	415.7151	Like.	416.0934
368		416.8976	Since this was mostly dominated by	419.0212
370		419.4849	Puerto Ricans and Dominicans at that point.	421.8831
371	LES_int_01	422.0112	It was.	422.6019
372	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	423.8024	When I got here, I was just like	425.5598
374		425.7490	really impressed with the	427.2480
376		428.0290	the different color of race.	429.4386
377	LES_int_01	429.6615	Yeah.	430.0460
378	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	430.0460	The long hair.	431.1127
379		431.5948	The Spanish.	432.5101
381		432.6078	It was like, it was a whole nother world for me. Like [w-] like wow.	435.8465
382	LES_int_01	434.7604	[Right.]	435.1265
383	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	436.7558	And	437.2988
385		437.4363	of course, /RD-NAME-2/ adapt	438.8185
387		439.6423	quickly.	440.3109
389		440.4818	[Got into] the mix,	441.5741
390	LES_int_01	440.4818	[Uh-huh.]	440.8541
391	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	441.7266	made a lot of friends, and never stopped since there.	444.2102
392	LES_int_01	444.6513	And are your friends, there- are all different	446.8664
394		447.5391	races and ethnicities?	448.9569
395	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	448.9569	Yes, they are.	449.8356
396		450.2505	They definitely. I got. I got all kind of friends. [All- all] different backgrounds and [/this this ridiculous/.]	455.4999
397	LES_int_01	452.4549	[Yeah.]	453.0041
399		454.8225	[And when you were growing] up, was that normal? Did all the kids kind of mix or were- was is like if you were Puerto Rican, then you hang out with all the Puerto Rican [kids?]	462.1603
400	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	462.0748	[Well.]	462.5996
401		463.8384	It was s- sort of like that for a little while that I remember, like	467.6678
403		468.4245	I remember the Spanish parents didn't want the blacks in they house at one point.	472.3002
404	LES_int_01	472.7517	Really?	473.2582
405	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	473.4840	And not- and it was not even like	475.9769
407		476.3491	them being	476.9959
409		478.8067	naive to the situation of prejudice- /cy/.	481.7845
411		482.2727	It's just like	483.0232
413		483.4809	I guess that's how it was at that point it was like	485.9958
415		486.9783	if I didn't know what a Puerto Rican was in seventy- seventy-nine and stuff like that	491.2527
416	LES_int_01	491.2527	Yeah.	491.6596
417	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	492.7213	and out here it was nothing but Puerto Ricans. So, Puerto Ricans and things like that. [So.]	496.7915
418	LES_int_01	496.4986	[Yeah.]	496.7915
419	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	497.1209	to have a- uh, uh,	498.3292
421		498.4878	black	498.7563
423		498.8723	guy uh, uh, uh Puerto Rican come to the households at that time,	502.1796
424	LES_int_01	502.3726	Yeah.	502.7265
425	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	503.2757	know what I'm saying, you gotta really really be like open minded to the whole	506.5098
427		506.6868	situation and	507.6693
428	LES_int_01	507.9255	Right.	508.2551
429	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	508.2551	some people wasn't	509.2163
430		509.7289	they didn't know too much English at that time. So, they really didn't know	512.7445
432		513.5317	it's okay to have	514.5324
434		514.9474	a black person inside the same household as a Spanish person and [things like that.]	518.7904
435	LES_int_01	518.1414	[Right.]	518.8004
436		519.0140	Right.	519.2786
437	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	519.2786	But that faded,	520.1037
438		520.2379	that faded kind of quickly.	521.4156
440		521.8733	[I'd say.]	522.3515
441	LES_int_01	521.8733	[Yeah.]	522.1664
442	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	522.5101	It faded kind of quickly cause	524.0356
444		524.6642	it was nothing they could do. Everybody knew each other and	527.2072
446		527.7136	if from- from s-	528.6511
448		528.7815	from junior high school, uh from	530.8929
450		531.0881	hi- public school to junior high school, it's like we all in the same classes, we all see each other and	536.3695
451	LES_int_01	536.5099	Yeah.	536.8333
452	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	537.3328	and then, you in the project. Got eleven floors, a hundred.	540.1979
454		540.5330	You got nine apartments on each floor, so you got a hundred and ten apartments in the building.	544.5023
455	LES_int_01	544.5389	Woah.	544.9295
456	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	545.1003	Of course, we gonna know somebody, and somebody gonna invite you over to this person house and [things like that.]	549.8301
457	LES_int_01	549.3236	[Yeah.]	549.8301
458	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	550.0437	[So.]	550.3305
459	LES_int_01	550.0437	[Yeah.]	550.3305
460		550.6478	[So yo- so you f- /inaudible/.]	552.8201
461	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	551.4044	[So it benefited.] Yeah. It benefited in a way.	554.0328
462	LES_int_01	554.9436	So, you lived in the same apartment then for.	557.3174
463	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	558.4341	Forever. <laugh>	559.2945
464	LES_int_01	559.7887	That's amazing.	560.6691
465	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	560.6691	Yeah. For at least almost twenty-nine, thirty years.	563.3723
466	LES_int_01	563.9355	That's wild.	564.9607
467	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	565.3024	Yeah.	565.6441
468	LES_int_01	565.9736	Okay. So you're a kid,	567.3473
470		567.4511	and you start to make friends, a- a-	569.0559
472		569.1963	a- and was your social life different? Like where did- now, where did you play here as a,	573.7962
474		573.9459	as a kid and what did you play?	575.3988
475	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	575.4415	Um.	576.0822
476	LES_int_01	576.1738	Because now you've got kind of like [playgrounds?]	578.1472
477	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	577.8909	[Yes.]	578.4645
478		578.7391	Um.	579.3737
480		581.3113	I played in back of the building, they call the, um,	583.6484
482		583.9773	The Wood P-	584.4175
484		584.6242	The Wood Park.	585.3625
485	LES_int_01	585.9422	The yeah? (laughing)	586.4902
486	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	586.4902	Yeah, and it was a lot of wooden things, that's why [and]	589.4906
487	LES_int_01	589.1550	[Okay.]	589.5883
488	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	590.3754	and	591.0955
490		592.3896	that's where I did all my growing up, basically with all my friends I used to hang out with like,	596.6122
491	LES_int_01	597.0171	Yeah.	597.3893
492	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	597.5113	running across the uh, the wood things this,	600.1579
494		600.2366	the monkey bars, [the /??/.]	601.5189
495	LES_int_01	601.2382	[Is it-] it's like a playground? Or [is it-]	602.6539
496	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	602.4708	[Yeah.] It's definitely a playground.	604.1794
497		604.7347	And the only reason they call it like the Wood Park, it's this	607.0656
499		607.5965	uh, wooden bridge would take you from one side of the playground to the other side, like the monkey bars into the	613.4570
501		613.9696	the swings probably [or something like that.]	615.8036
502	LES_int_01	615.5107	[I feel] like I've see- is it right out there?	617.0606
503	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	617.0606	[Yeah. It was back there.]	618.1041
504	LES_int_01	617.3840	[I feel like I've] seen it. [Yeah.]	618.8403
505	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	618.7060	[It] been around forever, but they just did a little touch up and all that.	621.9275
506	LES_int_01	622.0313	Okay. Okay.	623.0067
508		623.4827	So, you played in the playground then.	624.8887
509	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	624.9924	[Definitely.]	625.6454
510	LES_int_01	625.3525	[Did] you um,	626.5719
511		626.7549	did you like ex- start to explore the neighborhood or even outside the neighborhood?	630.5204
512	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	630.7156	Um.	631.3869
514		632.1473	I explored the neighborhood, well back in seventy-nine,	634.9726
516		635.4730	besides playing in the playground,	636.9985
518		638.8635	I had the biggest bi- ha- uh, apartment i- in the building.	641.7987
519	LES_int_01	641.9451	Right.	642.2075
520	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	642.6713	So, it was like this was like a playground for the kids in the building [and everything else] like hide-and-go-seek.	648.3828
521	LES_int_01	646.2564	[Yeah.]	646.8666
522	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	648.8466	It's like, it was six bedrooms, two bathrooms, a kitchen and a living room.	652.1204
523	LES_int_01	652.2974	[Unbelievable.]	653.2554
524	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	652.6187	[So in a se-] in the late seventies, early eighties, that's like a mansion.	656.4630
525		657.4154	And	657.9585
526	LES_int_01	657.9585	Right.	658.3368
527	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	658.3368	I remember we used to play all kind of	659.9233
528		660.0759	games up in here.	660.9729
529	LES_int_01	661.1194	Yeah.	661.5465
531		662.1079	[Yeah.]	662.4557
532	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	662.1142	[S- So,] it was like, it was [okay.]	663.7446
533	LES_int_01	663.5249	[Like what?] Like	664.0985
534		664.2755	hide and seek? Or.	665.2274
535	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	665.2274	Hide and seek. Um.	666.5882
536		666.9032	<ts> Freeze tag.	667.9772
538		668.7644	Um.	669.3441
540		670.0153	This um, how you call it? Twister. I remember playing twister. [Skel-]	673.5227
541	LES_int_01	673.1627	[Twister,] with the?	674.2062
542	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	674.2062	Yeah.	674.7554
543		674.9716	[And skelzies] in the house because it was so spacious.	677.8396
545		678.7061	A- And if you didn't come from a family of wealth	681.7023
547		682.4300	in the late seventies,	683.3942
549		683.5101	[ear-] early eighties,	684.5109
550	LES_int_01	683.5101	[Yeah.]	683.9800
551	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	685.6555	a big apartment	686.6990
553		686.9553	you definitely gonna have room.	688.1940
554	LES_int_01	688.5296	Yeah.	688.7737
555	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	688.9385	And, it was a lot of space, and we just did a lot of different [things growing up in here.]	692.9015
556	LES_int_01	692.1570	[Yeah. Yeah.]	692.9015
557		693.5056	Di- so, did you go to public school in the area?	695.6727
558	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	696.2036	Uh, I went to	697.6066
560		697.7470	/RD-SCHOOL-6/	698.9369
561	LES_int_01	699.6365	Which one is that?	700.4237
562	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	700.4237	Uh, it's right across the street [from my building.] It's right, f- the address is /RD-ADDRESS-8/	705.5217
563	LES_int_01	701.7018	[Oh, okay.]	702.2876
564		705.6560	[Okay.]	706.0057
565	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	706.7149	And	707.3251
567		707.4349	that was my choice of	709.0642
569		709.5524	public school for-	710.5983
571		710.8363	[for men] in the community, they put you in your community public [school, and.]	714.6046
572	LES_int_01	710.9278	[Yeah.]	711.3305
574		714.3849	[Right.] Right.	715.0378
575	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	715.7897	And my fourth grade teacher was Ms. /RD-NAME-2/, I'll never forget this lady and	720.3734
576	LES_int_01	720.7456	Really?	721.0800
577	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	721.3241	she was the sweetest lady. Like	722.8354
579		723.2992	her and her two kids.	724.5075
581		724.7272	Like. I'll never forget them, like they used to always come every Friday and bring cookies and	729.5550
582	LES_int_01	729.7441	Oh, that's [sweet.]	730.7432
583	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	730.5662	[things] like that.	731.5060
584		731.6585	And	732.0674
586		732.2199	that's like in seventy-nine. It was a good teacher out there, I'll never forget	735.9090
588		736.0616	[who- who] cared.	736.9159
589	LES_int_01	736.0616	[Right.]	736.5253
590		737.1651	It's kind of a rare thing to find.	739.2582
591	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	739.4657	R- really were.	740.1369
593		740.3200	Really.	740.7119
594	LES_int_01	740.8828	Yeah.	741.3160
596		741.7737	Yeah. So did you- were you into school? Or.	744.5756
597	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	745.2164	Um.	745.7961
599		746.2781	I was more	747.1813
601		747.9440	/flamboyish/	748.9778
603		749.0938	than anything.	749.9050
604	LES_int_01	750.0396	Mm-hm.	750.5467
605	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	750.7969	Um.	751.2668
607		753.1530	Me and school really didn't cut it.	754.7700
608	LES_int_01	755.2887	Yeah.	755.5267
609	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	755.9538	Um.	756.5702
611		758.2666	As we keep talking, you definitely gonna find out some things about me like, one of the things, I had a, um	762.9797
613		763.6143	a reading problem.	764.4869
614	LES_int_01	764.8225	Mm-hm. Okay.	765.7022
615	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	765.8304	And	766.4650
617		767.0447	By having a reading problem and being popular,	769.8202
619		770.3327	in the late seventies, early eighty	772.1277
620	LES_int_01	772.2742	Yeah.	772.6098
621	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	773.2008	it's always gonna, um, crash.	775.0315
622	LES_int_01	775.3000	[Yeah.]	775.7942
623	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	775.4952	[They] don't go hand in hand.	776.5821
624	LES_int_01	776.9116	Right.	777.3021
625	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	777.5645	And	778.0298
627		779.4089	I chose	780.2327
629		781.4348	to be popular	782.3623
630	LES_int_01	782.8139	Yeah.	783.1556
631	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	783.3142	over	783.8401
633		783.9499	knowledge.	784.6334
634	LES_int_01	785.0971	Okay.	785.3473
635	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	785.8843	And by me choosing that,	787.3427
637		789.0391	it- it- it hurted me	790.1548
639		790.8138	in the long run.	791.5522
640	LES_int_01	791.8024	Yeah.	792.2539
642		792.5407	Yeah.	792.7909
643	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	792.8641	So, it's like, I regret a lot of things	795.2985
644	LES_int_01	795.5365	Right.	795.9392
645	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	797.0010	from back then [to now.]	798.1055
646	LES_int_01	797.7672	[Yeah. So] you dropped out of school at some point?	799.5920
647	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	799.5981	Um.	800.1778
649		800.7880	I got pushed through school	802.1111
650	LES_int_01	802.5139	Oh. [Okay.]	803.2034
651	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	802.9227	[all] my life.	803.8075
652	LES_int_01	803.8746	Really?	804.2469
653	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	804.4605	In the seventies and eighties, it was all about	806.8003
655		807.0444	attendance.	807.8499
657		808.1184	You show up, and you're gonna pass.	809.8392
659		810.3983	That was the motto	811.3625
660	LES_int_01	811.7225	Right.	811.9422
661	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	812.5280	and that's what I remember all my life. We'd show up	815.1953
663		815.6286	and pass. And of course, I showed up, cause I'm popular, I always had money, dressed good,	820.5347
664	LES_int_01	820.5347	See [your friends.]	821.6243
665	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	820.9862	[know everybody.]	821.9406
666	LES_int_01	821.9524	Yeah.	822.4030
667	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	822.6276	And	823.0256
669		823.5015	just show up to get passed.	825.0820
671		825.9790	and that's what I did.	826.8442
672	LES_int_01	827.0211	Right.	827.3506
674		827.5459	Right.	827.7595
676		828.0890	But, you weren't necessarily	829.2782
677	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	829.6993	[Uh.]	830.1081
678	LES_int_01	829.7664	[getting] anything out of it.	830.8953
679	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	830.9441	I was um, book smart and all that,	833.0725
681		833.1946	not- it wasn't coming from school.	834.7628
682	LES_int_01	835.3282	Yeah.	835.6028
683	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	836.3045	And uh, I self taught myself different ways. Like, I became more street smart than school smart.	841.5190
684	LES_int_01	841.9105	Right.	842.1790
686		843.1553	Right.	843.4543
688		843.7777	So, did you go on to high school?	844.8496
689	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	845.3561	Um. I did make it to high school. I still got pushed all the way to	849.5789
691		849.9512	the tenth grade.	850.8700
692	LES_int_01	851.0531	Yeah.	851.3094
693	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	851.8219	I went to one of the best high schools in New York City. I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	854.9091
695		855.6413	/RD-SCHOOL-7/. [It's located] on /RD-ADDRESS-3/	858.7015
696	LES_int_01	857.0209	[Oh.]	857.6372
697	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	858.8386	between /RD-ADDRESS-3/ Avenue.	860.3161
698	LES_int_01	860.6759	[Huh.]	860.9172
699	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	860.7511	[Across] the street from	862.0217
700		862.7112	um	863.1444
702		863.2604	Park West	864.0232
704		864.1940	High School.	864.8042
705	LES_int_01	864.8653	Okay.	865.1887
706	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	865.6646	And in eighty-five,	867.3087
708		867.8457	you had to have a eighty-five a-	869.3529
710		870.0486	average to get into that school.	871.6596
711	LES_int_01	871.8060	Okay.	872.1379
712	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	872.3210	Something I did not have.	873.6147
713	LES_int_01	873.9259	Right.	874.2127
714	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	874.4445	But,	874.7130
716		875.6430	if you get a ninety-eight percent	877.2539
718		877.9435	attendance,	878.7307
720		879.7049	at that point, you was going somewhere.	881.3769
722		882.3410	[And that's] how I wind up going to	884.3404
723	LES_int_01	882.3410	[Okay.]	882.9430
724	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	884.6455	/RD-SCHOOL-7/	886.0098
725	LES_int_01	886.1684	Oh, cool.	886.6932
726	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	886.9068	And.	887.3400
727	LES_int_01	887.6024	How did you like it?	888.3103
728	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	889.0181	Um. Again, it's all about	890.7905
730		891.7974	the popularity.	892.7920
731	LES_int_01	893.1276	Yeah.	893.3717
732	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	893.3717	Um.	893.8477
733		894.0658	One of my best friends used to go there and	896.2700
735		898.1115	it's all about um	899.1732
737		899.4845	the dressing. Oh, again, it came down to the dress and the money always played a /rolled/ in my life, I always had it.	904.6889
739		905.5981	And two, I met a park called Hell's Kitchen.	908.2565
741		908.6409	On Fourty-eighth Street and Tenth Avenue.	910.3801
742	LES_int_01	910.5388	Yeah.	910.8500
743	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	911.5151	And	912.0399
745		912.1620	once you got-	912.7324
747		912.8179	once I got introduced to Hell Kitchen in nineteen eighty-eight,	915.5951
748	LES_int_01	915.7781	Uh-huh.	916.1748
749	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	917.2915	you could forget about it. [It was three] dollar crack viles.	919.9337
750	LES_int_01	918.2983	[<laugh>]	918.7499
751		920.2632	[Yeah.]	920.7476
752	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	920.6683	[And] even if you was making fifty cent a crack vile,	923.1091
753		923.2312	in eighty-six, eighty-seven,	925.0130
754	LES_int_01	925.2876	[Yeah.]	925.7012
755	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	925.5744	[you] still coming home with fifty cent PC, you still coming home with close to four, five hundred dollars a night.	930.6017
756	LES_int_01	931.1631	Jesus.	931.7123
757	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	931.8099	So,	932.2676
758	LES_int_01	933.3485	Ha- it's hard to- hard to pass up.	935.0022
759	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	935.0816	it was hard to pass up.	936.1677
760	LES_int_01	936.2776	Right.	936.5949
761	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	936.6788	And I chose to	937.9359
763		938.0579	start dipping and dabbing into that and	940.4561
765		941.7551	I wasn't getting no knowledge out of school [it was] more uh, more I'm being embarrassed a- uh, not-	946.9566
766	LES_int_01	943.6712	[Right.]	943.9763
767	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	947.2129	not wanting to get embarrassed in front of	949.3310
769		949.4165	nobody.	950.0206
770	LES_int_01	950.1304	Right.	950.4843
771	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	950.8077	Than anything else.	951.6559
772	LES_int_01	951.7658	Right. Right.	952.4736
773	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	953.6025	So, it was.	954.2555
774	LES_int_01	954.6155	So, okay. So you- so you left school.	956.6876
775	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	957.1392	Yeah.	957.5236
777		957.7555	[I.]	957.9325
778	LES_int_01	957.7555	[And] uh, and you were	959.5678
779		959.9718	hanging out in Hell's Kitchen.	961.1556
781		961.2593	How long'd you do that for?	962.2662
782	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	962.6750	Um. I was in Hell Kitchen for like	964.5972
784		965.8349	probably a year or so.	967.0309
785	LES_int_01	967.1164	Mm-hm.	967.5618
786	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	967.8913	I didn't make a career of Hell Kitchen, I wi- I go- I always get in and get out	971.7012
787	LES_int_01	972.1295	Right.	972.4712
788	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	972.7236	quickly.	973.2972
789	LES_int_01	973.4864	Yeah.	973.7854
790	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	974.0051	And	974.6031
792		975.6953	I just started doing f- doing for my self after that.	978.4415
793	LES_int_01	978.7893	Yeah.	979.0761
795		979.9732	So, what were you doing?	980.6770
796	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	981.3604	Um.	982.1598
798		983.8271	I was making ends meet by	986.0557
800		987.0138	hustling.	987.6290
801	LES_int_01	987.7999	Mm-hm.	988.2393
802	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	988.4223	And	988.9227
804		990.0150	I'm a middle.	990.5825
806		991.2110	When I say I'm a middle man,	992.4476
807	LES_int_01	992.5635	Yeah.	992.8565
808	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	992.9114	I'm a middle man for uh,	994.4308
810		994.6871	half the world.	995.4381
812		995.6150	[I]	995.8286
813	LES_int_01	995.6150	[<laugh>]	996.5792
814	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	996.1032	[know I] know half the world.	997.2138
815		997.9460	And	998.4159
817		998.5685	order to be a middle man, you'll- you'll	1000.2228
819		1000.3754	credi- your street credibility	1002.1038
821		1002.9947	hafta be	1003.6537
823		1003.7575	up to par.	1004.4165
824	LES_int_01	1004.9413	[Mm-hm.]	1005.3135
825	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1005.0633	[It gotta-] you gotta have a	1006.3936
826		1007.2921	um,	1007.8230
828		1008.3844	it's bigger than a credit-	1009.8184
830		1009.9587	a credit score. A [twenty-four hundred.]	1012.3081
831	LES_int_01	1011.7589	[<laugh>]	1013.0403
832	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1013.0403	It's like your- your- ks- it's all you- a- all a man have in the street is his word	1017.3126
833		1018.2584	and his balls.	1019.0836
835		1019.2467	Excuse my French.	1020.1864
836	LES_int_01	1020.2657	Oh, it's fine.	1020.7478
837	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1020.9309	And you can't break them for nothing.	1022.6212
838	LES_int_01	1022.7880	Right.	1023.1969
839	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1023.7705	And that's why I'm still t- today	1025.6871
841		1026.5841	two thousand eight, I'm still cons-	1028.2439
843		1028.6893	consider myself	1029.5358
845		1029.9752	very wa-	1030.5915
847		1030.8783	very well connected	1032.0277
849		1032.4853	in- in the communities.	1033.6692
850	LES_int_01	1033.7363	So, how do you achieve that? How do you-	1035.8598
851	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1036.6104	Um. [I.]	1037.1962
852	LES_int_01	1036.9887	[like] what do you have that makes you you?	1038.4893
853	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1038.9230	I have [my people] person [skills.]	1041.1748
854	LES_int_01	1039.5394	[Do you know?]	1040.1252
856		1041.0222	[Mm-hm.]	1041.4921
857	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1041.8545	And my word,	1042.7794
859		1042.8925	meaning	1043.4927
861		1043.7042	I never never did nobody dirty.	1045.8540
863		1046.4198	Like,	1046.7691
865		1047.3938	I'd'a hafta	1048.3858
867		1048.8679	jump-	1049.2517
869		1049.4681	m- m- me, uh another person	1051.8836
871		1052.2279	would never have to jump one person. I always like	1054.9220
873		1055.1729	fight	1055.3894
875		1055.5321	one-on-one.	1056.4077
876	LES_int_01	1056.7767	Okay.	1057.1555
877	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1057.4703	No- no jumping. If you can beat this person, fight this person. You don't [gotta] beat 'em up with a stick, bat, things like that, um.	1063.9062
878	LES_int_01	1060.9594	[Yeah.]	1061.2511
879		1064.1521	Yeah.	1064.4719
880	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1064.5506	I never got caught hustling or selling drugs	1067.7036
882		1068.4415	and rolled over and been like, it wasn't me, it was the next person.	1071.7298
884		1072.6382	It's about [holding your water.]	1074.0122
885	LES_int_01	1073.1596	[You weren't /inaudible/ about] anybody [else.]	1074.7339
886	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1074.4288	[It's sort of] like a Bounty Towel.	1075.8260
887		1076.2048	When they pour the water in, it's supposed to hold.	1078.3201
889		1078.8153	And sort of like a person.	1079.9713
891		1080.0894	You sposta hold your water without leaking it.	1081.9785
892	LES_int_01	1082.2195	Right.	1082.7361
894		1082.8591	[Right.]	1083.2428
895	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1082.8640	[And.]	1083.2133
896		1083.6462	It's just things like that and	1085.2187
898		1086.5518	it's all about the who's and the what's, [and] who's who, and what's what, and.	1090.4235
899	LES_int_01	1088.4606	[Yeah.]	1088.7656
900	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1090.8792	By you knowing who's who and what's what,	1092.7486
902		1093.6440	without letting the next people who	1095.5822
904		1095.7888	supposed to been who who and this and that,	1098.1189
905	LES_int_01	1098.2124	Yeah.	1098.5814
906	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1098.6109	knowing about the next person.	1100.1015
908		1100.8049	It's- it's- it's a lot of things about the streets, like	1103.0760
910		1103.2187	what make you that	1104.0845
912		1104.6146	street credibility.	1105.7423
914		1105.9490	To give you that k- street	1106.8148
915	LES_int_01	1106.8148	Right.	1107.1296
916	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1107.1296	credibility	1107.8134
917		1108.0889	record.	1108.3989
918	LES_int_01	1109.0765	Yeah, yeah.	1109.6570
920		1109.9472	That makes sense.	1110.9660
922		1112.6333	Um.	1113.5778
924		1115.3569	I have other questions.	1116.4638
926		1116.8819	So,	1117.9150
928		1119.8976	what-	1120.1189
930		1120.2911	You also did modeling?	1121.2339
931	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1121.9177	Um. I did	1122.9115
933		1123.2952	one or two pictures of modeling	1125.3023
934	LES_int_01	1125.4351	Uh-huh.	1125.8435
935	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1125.8681	back in the day for-	1127.2111
937		1127.3963	for um,	1128.1014
939		1128.2047	some designer. They saw me and	1130.6546
941		1131.2400	I made the front	1132.0616
943		1132.1698	co- me- I made uh,	1133.4572
945		1133.9491	Fader	1134.5985
947		1135.0528	It came out in Fader Magazine	1136.6320
948	LES_int_01	1136.6320	So cool.	1137.2617
949	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1137.7881	with Snoop Dogg on the front cover, [so.]	1139.5542
950	LES_int_01	1139.3672	[Yeah.]	1139.6771
951	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1139.6771	I was kind of [excited cause]	1141.0776
952	LES_int_01	1140.3889	[That's very exciting. <laugh>]	1142.7325
953	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1141.7535	[that's it went everywhere.] So.	1143.2785
954	LES_int_01	1143.7065	Yeah.	1144.1296
955	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1144.1837	And again, my	1144.8232
957		1144.9986	face expression,	1146.3760
959		1146.5974	since birth	1147.2468
961		1147.3698	is always the same.	1148.4324
963		1148.8751	And that's how everybody in the world	1150.6461
965		1151.3036	still remember me. And [when I say] everybody in the world, like	1153.9208
966	LES_int_01	1152.4449	[Yeah.]	1152.8040
967	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1154.2602	I grew up with a LL Cool ki-	1155.7852
969		1155.9131	a LLCool J.	1157.1609
971		1157.6873	a Busta Rhymes, a Audio Two,	1159.9491
973		1160.0161	[a Kid 'n Play.]	1161.0768
974	LES_int_01	1160.0241	[Yeah.]	1160.3340
975	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1161.5621	I mean, I was in the club scene since nineteen eighty-three.	1164.2137
977		1164.4892	[That's] thirteen years old, I made my debut at the world.	1167.2933
978	LES_int_01	1164.4892	[Right.]	1164.7794
979	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1167.4681	down the block on Houston [Street.]	1168.9199
980	LES_int_01	1168.7674	[/?/ you were] doing what?	1169.5053
981	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1170.1694	Um.	1170.5384
983		1170.9369	Night clubbing at thirteen years old.	1172.9686
984	LES_int_01	1172.9686	Uh-huh. [Ah.] Uh-huh.	1174.4297
985	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1173.4851	[And.]	1174.0952
987		1174.4297	Uh. I- I- I started clubbing	1176.0317
988		1176.1694	at thirteen, and	1177.3993
990		1178.0683	we sposta been twenty	1179.1801
992		1179.3818	twenty-one still. [And]	1180.5962
993	LES_int_01	1180.3018	[Sure.] [<laugh>]	1181.6669
994	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1181.1122	[in eighty-three,]	1182.1347
995		1183.0940	uh, I done did it all.	1184.4763
996	LES_int_01	1184.6584	Yeah, yeah.	1185.5143
998		1186.1194	So, okay, so you're	1187.5461
1000		1187.6400	you are involved in you know, s- s-	1189.2585
1002		1189.3913	the drug culture, and the hustling and all this	1191.6740
1004		1191.8117	this kind of stuff. I mean, do you ever	1193.5465
1006		1193.9549	get in some tough situations where you were, you know, worried about your life or	1198.8482
1007	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1199.3647	[Uh.]	1199.5566
1008	LES_int_01	1199.3647	[or] felt like your life was in danger?	1200.8508
1009	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1201.3346	Um.	1202.0036
1011		1203.4057	I pretty much never got in no	1205.1718
1013		1206.0752	tough situations, because one,	1207.9889
1015		1209.9320	uh- u- u- uh, to be	1211.4768
1017		1212.2671	a hundred and thirty-seven pounds,	1214.2004
1019		1215.0957	all your life,	1215.9714
1021		1217.0192	and fighting guys	1218.2523
1023		1218.5671	two hundred and ten,	1219.6396
1025		1219.9741	six feet,	1220.7563
1026	LES_int_01	1221.3417	Right.	1221.8140
1027	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1222.1190	and making a- a- a- a re-	1223.5702
1029		1223.6964	a- a- r- a reputation for yourself, like	1226.0233
1031		1226.2447	like he ain't gonna run. He gonna fight regardless, son. He don't care how big or small you are.	1230.0416
1032	LES_int_01	1230.2039	Yeah.	1230.4893
1033	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1231.3140	That helps your	1232.1355
1035		1232.3717	you skreet credibility also.	1234.2952
1036	LES_int_01	1234.2634	Do you always stay to fight?	1235.6382
1037	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1236.0367	E- It's not me always staying to fight. Every fight I got into,	1239.1785
1039		1239.9311	at a hundred and thirty, hundred thirty-seven pounds,	1242.1252
1041		1242.2335	I wound up fighting	1243.2254
1043		1244.5931	the ring leader of the next crew,	1246.3641
1045		1246.6051	[or the] biggest one out of the crew.	1248.2876
1046	LES_int_01	1246.6051	[Yeah.]	1246.9607
1047	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1248.8516	Just cause I was the oldest.	1250.3766
1049		1250.5783	I	1250.7357
1051		1251.2867	being the-	1251.6458
1053		1251.9213	the oldest	1252.7478
1055		1253.1807	and the littlest,	1254.0564
1057		1255.0090	I always step to the plate.	1256.1798
1058	LES_int_01	1256.3471	Yeah.	1256.6865
1059	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1256.6865	And	1257.0653
1060		1258.3099	fighting the biggest guys.	1259.7218
1062		1259.8350	And	1260.2580
1064		1260.4007	after [fighting them.]	1261.3681
1065	LES_int_01	1260.7679	[And what happens?]	1261.7223
1066	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1262.1552	Um.	1262.6127
1068		1262.9964	A,	1263.3851
1070		1264.1919	I do what I have to do with them,	1265.7612
1071	LES_int_01	1265.9186	Yeah?	1266.3761
1072	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1266.6319	and	1267.0680
1074		1267.9634	shake hands, never jump 'em	1269.7196
1076		1270.4378	after the fight is over.	1271.6136
1078		1272.5685	It's never, it never could t-	1273.8999
1080		1273.9934	escalated to I'm gonna get my guns. Uh.	1276.3744
1081	LES_int_01	1276.5564	[Right.]	1276.8322
1082	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1276.5761	[Anything] else like that, cause, like I said, I'm a people person. I knew half the world.	1280.3533
1083		1280.7312	And when I did have a fight,	1282.1529
1085		1282.4874	it was for a reason.	1283.3680
1086	LES_int_01	1283.6681	Okay.	1284.0124
1087	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1284.2419	And	1284.6847
1089		1285.2406	everybody I fought was somebody in the streets, somebody who	1288.2267
1091		1288.6202	was somebody.	1289.3188
1092	LES_int_01	1289.5451	[Yeah.]	1289.8747
1093	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1289.6927	[Like] either they had they own drugs,	1291.4497
1094		1291.8309	uh, they was big in this	1293.0804
1096		1293.2969	situation and	1294.2759
1098		1294.7383	by me fighting them, made their littler people	1296.9060
1100		1297.2455	look at me different. Like, wow.	1298.7508
1102		1298.9722	That's Big Shot, like he fought them.	1300.7137
1104		1301.0384	He had a fight was /RD-NAME-2/.	1302.5231
1106		1302.7358	And /RD-NAME-2/ sposta been	1303.8506
1108		1304.3770	as we speak now, /RD-NAME-2/ is one of the biggest	1306.5661
1110		1307.5008	/RD-NAME-1/ in- in- in the jail system as we speak today, like	1310.8591
1111	LES_int_01	1310.8886	Yeah.	1311.2477
1112	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1311.5724	he's Puerto Rican, and he got	1313.2057
1114		1313.3877	thousand of kids under his title.	1315.2553
1115	LES_int_01	1315.7276	Jesus.	1316.4360
1116	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1316.4360	And	1316.8099
1117		1316.9378	I had- that's the [last.]	1317.9358
1118	LES_int_01	1317.6708	[In] this neighborhood?	1318.4973
1119	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1318.8564	Um.	1319.3188
1121		1319.4123	He was in this neighborhood, growing up in the Avenue D.	1321.9244
1122	LES_int_01	1322.0769	Yeah.	1322.4557
1123	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1322.6771	And he got a asshole full of time right now.	1325.1565
1125		1325.2696	I think he's never gonna touch	1326.7043
1127		1326.9552	the streets again in his life.	1328.2589
1128	LES_int_01	1328.3524	Wow.	1328.8394
1129	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1328.9870	And, if I'm thirty-eight,	1330.5268
1131		1330.7875	MK gotta be thirty-seven, thirty-eight [also.]	1333.2431
1132	LES_int_01	1333.1398	[Kay- okay.]	1333.8383
1133	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1333.4890	[And,] it's kind of sad.	1334.5025
1134	LES_int_01	1334.8025	Yeah.	1335.3142
1136		1335.4617	That's really sad.	1336.1702
1137	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1337.2426	But, um. [That's.]	1338.2559
1138	LES_int_01	1337.7689	[Did you ever] se- spend anytime?	1339.1020
1139		1339.2496	Did you ever get taken in for [anything?]	1340.5619
1140	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1340.1684	[Um.]	1340.7074
1141		1340.7644	I spent time in jail,	1342.4810
1143		1342.8893	but the time I spent was	1344.1713
1145		1344.4303	it's called going through the system.	1345.8045
1146	LES_int_01	1346.0971	Yeah.	1346.4439
1147	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1346.5625	And that's only twenty-four to seventy-two hours, tops.	1349.8684
1148	LES_int_01	1350.1993	Uh-huh.	1350.4567
1149	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1350.4567	And that come from, my M-O is smoking marijuana.	1353.3527
1150	LES_int_01	1353.4625	Uh-huh.	1353.8444
1151	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1354.0552	Like,	1354.4240
1153		1355.4601	like,	1355.7630
1155		1356.1406	today is um,	1357.2381
1157		1359.1025	October thirtieth	1360.1781
1158	LES_int_01	1360.1781	Yeah.	1360.3976
1159	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1360.3976	two thousand eight.	1361.2230
1160	LES_int_01	1361.3986	Yeah.	1361.6576
1161	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1361.6576	And right before I met you,	1363.0230
1162		1363.9375	some under-covers pulled me over.	1365.7814
1164		1366.5980	Now, if they [knew me-]	1368.0013
1165	LES_int_01	1367.3252	[I saw it.]	1367.9750
1166	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1368.3087	if they knew me for all my life, and knew what I'm capable of doing,	1371.5926
1168		1372.3082	eight out of ten,	1373.1248
1170		1373.7423	I had	1374.2077
1172		1374.3130	possession of marijuana on me.	1375.6828
1173	LES_int_01	1375.7970	Right.	1376.2009
1174	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1376.2009	And I definitely did.	1377.1492
1175	LES_int_01	1377.3116	Okay. (laughing) [<laugh>]	1378.5409
1176	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1378.2380	[But,] it's just how you talk	1379.5535
1177		1380.1989	[and give] 'em they respect [and just]	1382.1043
1178	LES_int_01	1380.2340	[Yeah.]	1380.7257
1180		1381.6085	[Mm-hm.]	1381.9422
1181	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1382.5433	basically look 'em in the eye and just talk to 'em, like, you don't have no right	1385.4541
1183		1385.9330	just to run up on me like that. They could pat me down, but	1388.4207
1185		1389.5139	again, the famous line they always use, you fit theirs-	1392.0252
1187		1392.2622	the prescription	1392.9719
1189		1393.2880	of a black man.	1394.0959
1191		1394.9432	Man, listen.	1395.5403
1193		1395.8169	[Every black] man fit the prescription of a black man.	1398.1025
1194	LES_int_01	1395.9645	[Yeah.]	1396.3772
1195		1398.2255	Yeah.	1398.6162
1196	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1398.8401	And	1399.3011
1198		1400.6489	But, that's what it is [man.]	1401.8811
1199	LES_int_01	1401.4947	[Yeah.]	1401.8503
1200		1402.1796	That's bullshit.	1403.0141
1202		1405.0772	So.	1406.1177
1204		1406.5787	So, a- wh- any other important things in your life? Kind of the-	1409.5124
1206		1409.7626	that	1410.0524
1208		1410.3158	have defined you?	1411.3514
1209	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1412.6114	[Um.]	1413.2002
1210	LES_int_01	1412.9851	[Where] did you- what do you do now with your time?	1414.5524
1211	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1415.1846	What I do now with my time is	1416.9276
1213		1417.0593	I'm a father to two, um, [two children.]	1419.5950
1214	LES_int_01	1418.6895	[/Yeah/.]	1419.2877
1215		1419.7662	Cool.	1420.2272
1216	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1420.2605	Um. My oldest is [fourteen.]	1422.0518
1217	LES_int_01	1421.6698	[Are these] them?	1422.3503
1218	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1422.7630	Yes. These is my daughters.	1424.1532
1219	LES_int_01	1424.1532	Oh, cool! They're both girls?	1426.4273
1220	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1426.4273	Both girls.	1427.3317
1221	LES_int_01	1427.3317	[Amazing.]	1428.2449
1222	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1427.5688	[Um.]	1427.9815
1223		1428.6576	One is.	1429.8151
1224	LES_int_01	1429.8546	Oh, just watch your mic.	1430.8512
1225	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1431.5932	[So] sorry.	1432.2781
1226	LES_int_01	1431.5932	[You got.]	1431.8610
1227		1432.3000	No, you're fine.	1432.7917
1228	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1433.3932	The oldest one name is /RD-NAME-2/, she's fourteen.	1435.7141
1229	LES_int_01	1435.7141	Oh my [God.]	1437.2332
1230	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1436.6624	[She go to] /RD-SCHOOL-6/ on /RD-ADDRESS-8/, I believe.	1440.5918
1231	LES_int_01	1440.5271	So cute.	1441.5005
1232	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1441.5005	Straight A student.	1442.7707
1233	LES_int_01	1443.0122	Amazing.	1443.8068
1234	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1444.1580	And the second one name is /RD-NAME-3/, she's fifteen months.	1447.7669
1236		1449.1702	And [she's.]	1450.1185
1237	LES_int_01	1449.8815	[Oh.] That is so cute.	1451.4971
1238	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1452.2742	And that's what I do with my time. I'm definitely a father to my t- my- my kids .	1456.6234
1239	LES_int_01	1456.6234	Yeah.	1456.9746
1240	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1457.4883	Um.	1458.0810
1241	LES_int_01	1458.3927	Do they live with their mo- uh, they have separate [moms?]	1460.4290
1242	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1460.2843	[They] have separate moms. [I live w-]	1461.9395
1243	LES_int_01	1461.3644	[/Different/ moms.]	1462.3609
1244	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1462.4927	I live with the baby girl moms as we speak. And I got a step-son named Dylan.	1466.5136
1245	LES_int_01	1466.8736	Okay.	1467.3337
1246	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1467.9338	And	1468.5133
1248		1470.1202	God blessed me with the- with these kids.	1472.4970
1249	LES_int_01	1472.4970	Yeah.	1472.9755
1250	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1473.0370	And with the knowledge they both have,	1474.8194
1251	LES_int_01	1475.1531	[That's amazing.]	1475.9872
1252	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1475.3155	[uh.]	1475.5219
1253		1475.9960	And	1476.4921
1255		1477.8754	besides that, um,	1479.0739
1257		1480.7385	I'm gonna reach over here for one [second. Just so s-	1482.8371
1258	LES_int_01	1481.7132	[Yeah, yeah, no, you're fine. I just wanna-]	1483.4386
1259	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1482.9688	[to show you something.]	1483.7786
1260	LES_int_01	1483.7239	let me hold it up.	1484.3693
1261	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1484.6020	Kay.	1484.8654
1262	LES_int_01	1485.6717	You're perfect.	1486.3873
1263	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1486.3873	I'm so [sorry.]	1487.1117
1264	LES_int_01	1486.9976	[No,] no, you're fine.	1487.7922
1265		1488.5122	Sorry about all the cords.	1489.4869
1266	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1489.4868	I kno w	1489.7810
1267		1490.0576	So, basically, what I do with my time now,	1492.7505
1269		1493.2246	um, I was working in a law firm.	1495.0071
1271		1495.1212	My first real job I had.	1496.5509
1273		1497.9075	The last four years, the professor named /RD-NAME-4/	1500.9237
1274	LES_int_01	1501.0334	Uh-huh.	1501.3978
1275	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1502.1266	brother, is- was my boss, /RD-NAME-3/ at /RD-WORK-5/, Murphy and /unintelligible/.	1506.5637
1276	LES_int_01	1506.8095	Okay.	1507.1783
1277	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1507.1783	And	1507.6700
1278		1508.4236	I just got outsourced,	1509.7231
1280		1509.9734	so basically, I just focus more	1511.8656
1282		1512.3178	[on my] clothes.	1513.3232
1283	LES_int_01	1512.4363	[Oh.]	1512.6690
1284		1513.4285	Oh cool. [Wait, so, what were you] doing in the law firm?	1515.8461
1285	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1514.1207	[That's my logo.]	1515.0295
1286		1516.1578	Um. I was in the mail room. I was working [in the mail] room.	1518.9456
1287	LES_int_01	1518.1246	[Uh-huh.]	1518.4968
1288		1519.2090	Really cool.	1520.0388
1289	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1520.2320	Um. That's my, um,	1521.7583
1291		1522.1007	that's my logo. These is my hats, I abouta send out to get done. They be ready in three [weeks.]	1526.5272
1292	LES_int_01	1526.3779	[Very] cool. Sixth Borough.	1528.3184
1293	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1528.4018	L-E-S the Sixth Borough.	1529.6613
1295		1529.8149	It's only five boroughs, the reason why I came up with that concept because it's always a question behind it.	1534.4818
1297		1534.6311	Everybody always aks, ain't this five [boroughs?]	1536.9404
1298	LES_int_01	1536.9052	[<laugh>]	1537.7438
1299	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1537.7438	And it is five boroughs, but	1539.3320
1300		1539.5778	we a borough within a borough.	1541.0178
1302		1541.7285	And.	1542.1675
1303	LES_int_01	1542.1675	Why do you think that?	1543.0237
1304	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1543.5768	Cause we so different down here, we so unique.	1545.8131
1306		1546.2812	And	1546.7202
1308		1547.5500	by saying we unique, it's like	1548.9724
1310		1549.2036	we- we have a culture of our own.	1550.9070
1312		1551.0036	Like, our dress style and	1552.7641
1314		1553.8178	how we just love our borough so much. And how we represent it from the jail cells to the skreet cells and.	1559.2690
1315	LES_int_01	1559.4885	Mm-hm.	1559.9802
1316	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1560.6914	And then you have somebody like a /RD-NAME-2/, who was never a	1563.5524
1318		1563.7587	a- a- a king pin as a drug dealer,	1565.9495
1319	LES_int_01	1566.0417	Yeah.	1566.3841
1320	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1567.1377	but always gave back to the community by investing into	1570.6280
1322		1571.1109	doing murals,	1572.1295
1324		1572.4061	um,	1572.8012
1326		1573.0763	m- um, designing clothes. Everything you see from /RD-NAME-2/ is- everything got LES in it. Like,	1578.4917
1328		1578.8906	my- my clothes is called L-E- e- my company is called L-E-S the Sixth Borough.	1582.5077
1329	LES_int_01	1582.7052	Okay.	1583.1486
1330	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1583.2013	And my logo is designed with L-E-S the Sixth Borough on it.	1586.3316
1332		1586.9380	I have a- a- a book coming out	1589.0541
1334		1589.4975	in January,	1590.7438
1336		1591.0292	January, February, the latest.	1592.8160
1337	LES_int_01	1592.8527	Yeah.	1593.2040
1338	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1593.5508	And it's called Sleeping in the Rat Hole.	1595.4035
1340		1595.7219	It's a low- it's a Alphabet City, L-E-S, the Sixth Borough,	1599.0059
1342		1599.5651	state and federal inmates stand up	1601.3739
1344		1602.2475	and	1602.6427
1346		1603.1404	it's just	1603.6409
1348		1603.7594	I don't forget	1604.3960
1350		1605.0458	the people who was locked up.	1606.1565
1351	LES_int_01	1606.6043	Okay.	1606.9687
1352	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1606.9687	Cause	1607.2980
1353		1608.5053	no matter what	1609.2319
1355		1609.6182	everybody don't come from a happy home.	1611.3173
1357		1611.4446	[And]	1611.8617
1358	LES_int_01	1611.4446	[Yeah.]	1611.8617
1359	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1612.3095	they don't- nobody wanna be in that place. That place is terrible.	1615.0287
1360	LES_int_01	1615.0287	Yeah.	1615.4984
1361	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1615.5687	But, people make	1616.3063
1363		1616.4467	the wrong decisions, and I'm just letting them know,	1618.5877
1364	LES_int_01	1618.8116	Yeah.	1619.2199
1365	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1619.2199	I feel your pain. I didn't do no ten days, I didn't do ten years,	1622.5916
1366	LES_int_01	1622.6531	Yeah.	1623.0570
1367	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1623.3555	but I feel your pain.	1624.5151
1369		1624.7319	[And.]	1625.0831
1370	LES_int_01	1624.7319	[And that's] happened to	1625.6758
1371		1625.7723	probably good friends of [yours.]	1627.2036
1372	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1627.1246	[Uh, uh-] I lost a lot of good friends to the system, [and]	1629.4909
1373	LES_int_01	1629.1968	[Yeah.]	1629.7060
1374	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1629.9059	I have a older brother named /RD-NAME-3/, who was locked up since nineteen eighty-one.	1634.0410
1376		1634.1711	Can you imagine [that?]	1634.9904
1377	LES_int_01	1634.7594	[Jesus.]	1635.8284
1378	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1635.9031	He spend- he got locked up when he was seventeen	1638.2958
1380		1638.9562	and a half. So,	1639.8079
1382		1640.0669	since nineteen eighty-one,	1641.4367
1384		1642.3587	all the way to now, he's fighting his freedom still, [and.]	1645.1355
1385	LES_int_01	1644.9555	[Still] fighting?	1645.8335
1386	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1645.8862	Still [fighting for his freedom.]	1647.0979
1387	LES_int_01	1646.2945	[Do you think that he'll-] he'll get released at some point?	1648.7311
1388	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1649.2184	His sentence was seventeen years to life, meaning	1651.8712
1390		1652.2927	once they add the life on back of the seventeen years, they can hold you	1655.4971
1392		1655.9229	until your kids	1656.9585
1394		1657.3317	future kids or whatever become	1659.1585
1396		1660.0234	[uh, a parole-] a parole officer [or something. Like]	1662.7245
1397	LES_int_01	1660.0234	[Oh, yeah.]	1660.9937
1399		1662.1582	[Oh (laughing) right.]	1663.1679
1400	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1663.3918	it's just [insane.]	1664.3076
1401	LES_int_01	1663.9318	[What was] the charge?	1664.9460
1402	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1665.3763	Murder.	1665.8504
1403	LES_int_01	1666.0615	Oh.	1666.5924
1404	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1666.5924	Murder.	1667.1016
1405		1667.2070	And.	1667.6855
1406	LES_int_01	1667.8524	That's so tough.	1669.0147
1407	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1669.8971	But, um.	1670.6128
1408	LES_int_01	1670.6435	Where is he e- serving his sentence?	1672.4793
1409	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1672.8068	I think he in	1674.1941
1411		1674.6924	Green Haven right now, I ain't sure.	1676.6373
1412	LES_int_01	1677.0763	I don't know where that is.	1678.0904
1413	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1678.0904	It's [upstate.]	1678.8631
1414	LES_int_01	1678.6436	[N- Upstate.]	1679.2890
1415	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1679.4558	[Upstate New York.]	1680.2329
1416	LES_int_01	1679.7105	[/And I only know/] like Sing Sing.	1681.4549
1417	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1681.3623	[Yeah.]	1681.7969
1418		1681.8891	Nah, he's um, he done went to	1683.6277
1420		1684.2599	you can imagine. [Twenty something years, he]	1686.2141
1421	LES_int_01	1685.1868	[He's gotten all around, yeah.]	1686.9077
1422	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1686.6707	[He-]	1686.9132
1423		1687.0844	he- he traveled already, and	1689.0381
1425		1689.9206	know, he regret everything now. He's very smart, he's a handy man, but he didn't use the tools he had	1695.3376
1427		1695.9072	when he was out.	1696.5438
1428	LES_int_01	1696.9142	Yeah.	1697.3313
1429	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1697.7352	And	1698.2313
1430	LES_int_01	1699.1752	That's really tough.	1699.9084
1431	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1700.7133	Things like that.	1701.4860
1432	LES_int_01	1701.4860	Yeah. Yeah.	1702.4739
1434		1702.9568	So, let me ask you a little more about	1704.7963
1436		1705.3275	sixth borough. [<laugh>]	1706.8548
1437	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1706.6309	[Okay.]	1707.1182
1438	LES_int_01	1707.2135	About the neighborhood, so	1708.3453
1440		1708.7580	um, I'm always interested in, you know, you've lived here	1711.7104
1442		1712.2504	for thirty years or	1713.0319
1444		1713.1768	[almost,]	1713.8968
1445	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1713.1987	[Yeah.]	1713.6773
1446	LES_int_01	1714.9900	how you think it's changed in that time.	1717.2767
1447	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1718.9758	Well, when I first hit here, um,	1721.0787
1449		1721.9480	I consider myself part of the squatters who was fighting in Thomson Square Park.	1726.0337
1450	LES_int_01	1726.0337	Yeah.	1726.3893
1451	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1726.8151	And	1727.3771
1453		1729.4394	that's why, um,	1730.4294
1455		1731.7289	I love my community so much, because	1733.8407
1457		1734.8899	it was a struggle for everybody who been down here	1737.2936
1459		1737.8555	as long as I've been down here.	1739.2473
1460	LES_int_01	1739.2473	Yeah.	1739.5722
1461	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1740.2131	And to see that change	1741.7805
1463		1743.0103	happen rapidly,	1744.0684
1465		1744.5250	it's a shame. Cause right now, it's like	1746.4523
1467		1747.3304	you got	1747.7474
1469		1748.0416	everybody flocking in from all parts of the world	1751.0211
1470	LES_int_01	1751.0825	Yeah.	1751.5479
1471	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1751.6664	to this Lower East Side,	1752.8782
1473		1754.0955	and think it was like this all his life,	1756.1957
1475		1756.8235	but they- little do they know,	1758.1099
1477		1759.2382	if you can read the first sentence in my-	1761.1069
1479		1761.3615	my [paragraphs.]	1762.4372
1480	LES_int_01	1762.3537	[Yeah.]	1762.6611
1481	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1763.8859	And you tell me what you we-	1765.2469
1483		1765.4665	do it make sense or not.	1766.5684
1485		1772.2944	Well.	1772.6325
1487		1772.9310	It was supposed to be um,	1774.0049
1489		1775.3220	I talked about	1776.1518
1491		1776.2396	before	1776.9552
1493		1777.3284	the Lower East Side had fancy restaurants and art galleries.	1780.3094
1494	LES_int_01	1780.3094	Right.	1780.6255
1495	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1781.3816	I'm talking about bef-	1782.3431
1497		1782.6109	<laugh> when it was nothing but	1783.9675
1499		1784.3627	a hole in the wall, save the robots,	1786.6017
1501		1786.6983	[a- a- and] MK's and	1788.3830
1502	LES_int_01	1786.6983	[Yeah, yeah.]	1787.5184
1503	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1789.3972	things like that. [It was] none of this	1791.2115
1504	LES_int_01	1790.0876	[Yeah.]	1790.4212
1505	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1792.2783	none of this glamorous- we- what it is now-	1794.7209
1507		1794.9273	sugar coated.	1795.7307
1508	LES_int_01	1796.1170	Right.	1796.5078
1509	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1797.0917	So, it's- it's sad, no? [And right now.]	1799.3395
1510	LES_int_01	1798.7688	[Yeah. How] do you feel about that? So, there's a lot of	1801.3903
1511	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1801.6010	[I- I-]	1802.0532
1512	LES_int_01	1801.7723	[wealthier] people moving in [the neighborhood.]	1804.1732
1513	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1802.8649	[Yeah, i- it's serious.] I- I wish I can make it to the top off of my success	1807.5493
1514		1808.8809	to try to buy any and everything what's buyable.	1811.8970
1516		1812.3229	Just to keep the community how it used to be for somebody who been in it.	1815.3858
1517	LES_int_01	1815.5789	Okay.	1816.0970
1518	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1816.3955	And that the- that's the only thing I want in life. I wanna become successful	1820.5692
1520		1821.4823	to try to buy up	1822.6633
1522		1822.7907	every lot	1823.7258
1524		1823.8707	or every	1824.4414
1526		1824.6170	open property what's out there on the market on the Lower East Side.	1827.7851
1527	LES_int_01	1828.0222	Yeah.	1828.3734
1528	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1828.7027	Just to try to maintain	1830.0006
1530		1830.8216	the old school	1831.5981
1532		1831.9449	[and how it was.]	1832.7308
1533	LES_int_01	1832.0547	[So, what th-] what i- how did it used to be? What's you know, what did-	1835.0175
1534		1835.1844	what did it used to be like?	1836.2095
1536		1837.2067	That's not	1837.8741
1538		1838.2501	here now?	1838.8647
1539	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1839.3521	Um.	1839.8745
1541		1840.9150	<laugh>	1841.1609
1543		1841.4418	Uh. What's not here now is um,	1843.2742
1545		1843.5376	the squatters.	1844.4201
1547		1844.8811	The real people.	1845.7811
1549		1846.0269	Um.	1846.4616
1551		1846.9035	The people who was a part of the community, the mom and pop stores.	1850.0206
1553		1850.5825	Carvel, when- was on Avenue D	1852.9204
1555		1853.0652	and Houston Street,	1854.0530
1557		1854.6326	um, Machine Gun Funks,	1856.0566
1559		1856.2981	and all these restaurants	1857.9313
1560	LES_int_01	1858.1684	Yeah.	1858.5267
1561	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1858.8384	like, that's	1859.4530
1563		1859.6506	everywhere you go, like	1860.6823
1565		1860.8799	Avenue C,	1861.6965
1567		1862.4911	it's like	1862.9108
1569		1863.1127	classy.	1863.8960
1571		1864.7565	And Avenue B, it's like	1865.9166
1573		1866.8518	it's unbelievable. [Like] wow. Like, look at this place, and	1870.4540
1574	LES_int_01	1868.0547	[Yeah.]	1868.3861
1575		1870.6914	Yeah.	1871.0514
1576	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1871.0953	you got all these people coming in,	1872.8339
1578		1873.0096	and looking at a /RD-NAME-3/	1874.7612
1580		1875.4726	like,	1875.7140
1582		1875.9335	you don't belong here.	1876.8204
1584		1877.6721	Like, I don't belong [here?]	1878.8428
1585	LES_int_01	1878.6410	[They look] at you like that?	1879.7735
1586	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1880.0106	And	1880.4452
1588		1880.5769	I've been here before you even thought about this place.	1882.9389
1589	LES_int_01	1883.2111	Right.	1883.5316
1590	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1883.9531	But,	1884.1989
1592		1884.8999	it come back down to the dollar.	1886.1730
1594		1886.7350	They got the dollar, they-	1887.8809
1596		1888.0960	they got- they can afford their apartments, and	1890.2033
1598		1891.1677	they- they um.	1892.1818
1600		1892.3267	How you call it?	1892.8755
1602		1893.0072	They surround they self with people just like them.	1895.1409
1603	LES_int_01	1895.2023	Yeah.	1895.6809
1604	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1896.3555	So, the	1896.8208
1606		1897.0360	you got the people who been here all our lives	1899.2882
1608		1899.6701	and even you got the biggest drug dealers in the world,	1901.9619
1610		1902.7462	who made them millions of dollars and didn't know what to do with it.	1905.4199
1612		1905.6701	A, they don't have it no more cause they got hooked up on they own product.	1908.6819
1614		1909.2116	B,	1909.7560
1616		1910.2433	um, they locked up.	1911.2706
1618		1911.7931	C, they either dead.	1913.3692
1620		1914.1550	So, it's like they never invested back	1916.2469
1621	LES_int_01	1916.6252	[Right.]	1916.9896
1622	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1916.8667	[into] the community	1917.8809
1623		1918.4867	to keep it for the community.	1919.7994
1625		1920.7608	Only, you had a /RD-NAME-2/,	1921.9133
1627		1922.3699	who took a chance and tried to come up with a-	1924.2796
1629		1924.5079	a concept,	1925.2543
1631		1926.0621	tryna come out with a book.	1927.1860
1632	LES_int_01	1927.4406	Yeah.	1927.8134
1633	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1927.8134	And this is coming from me.	1928.9417
1634		1929.1173	Not-	1929.3851
1636		1929.4729	not no	1930.2500
1638		1930.5178	I made millions, I made a hundred thousand.	1932.6778
1640		1933.0115	This is somebody who had a couple of dollars,	1935.0339
1642		1935.6046	bought some hats, came up with a logo,	1937.3344
1644		1937.8173	also, um	1938.6339
1646		1940.9640	I put my first record out	1942.3689
1648		1943.1811	back in nineteen ninety-four.	1944.7133
1649	LES_int_01	1945.0294	Cool.	1945.3675
1650	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1945.3675	It's called The Lower	1946.3801
1651		1947.2230	and executives to- executive produced by Big Shot,	1950.3665
1653		1950.5948	my group is there.	1951.7406
1655		1951.8899	[And,]	1952.2835
1656	LES_int_01	1952.1562	[Cool.]	1952.6786
1657	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1953.0342	I- I- I try to do a lot of different things for the community cause	1955.8967
1659		1956.6914	I knew how the community was gonna change.	1958.8411
1660	LES_int_01	1959.0738	Yeah.	1959.4952
1661	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1959.6006	But, my biggest fear was	1961.0450
1663		1961.1855	reading.	1961.8001
1665		1962.1865	I never had the knowledge	1963.4640
1667		1964.8455	to go get them grants. The government grants	1967.2074
1669		1967.2865	and to sit in school for X amount of hours to-	1969.6880
1671		1970.0025	to enlighten my-	1970.8277
1673		1970.9183	my education [better]	1972.3689
1674	LES_int_01	1971.9562	[Yeah.]	1972.2767
1675		1972.6762	Yeah.	1973.0187
1676	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1973.1284	to get funded.	1973.8923
1678		1974.3972	So, that hurted me in that- in that- [in that way.]	1976.6523
1679	LES_int_01	1976.1298	[Yeah, yeah.]	1977.1089
1680	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1977.7232	But, everything else is just like	1979.3344
1682		1979.9578	it is what it [is.]	1980.8930
1683	LES_int_01	1980.7305	[Yeah.] So, you care a lot about this community.	1983.2626
1684		1983.9782	What is it that you l-	1985.2690
1686		1985.9787	like so much about it?	1987.1113
1688		1987.5504	Like, what [is-]	1988.3538
1689	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1988.0465	[Uh.]	1988.3714
1690	LES_int_01	1988.4855	what's unique about	1989.5172
1692		1989.8026	the Lower East Side?	1990.7597
1693	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1991.3947	What's so unique about the Lower East Side,	1993.2957
1695		1993.7523	is the people down here.	1995.0694
1696	LES_int_01	1995.2758	Mm-hm.	1995.7016
1697	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	1995.7631	The culture, our culture, blacks, Puerto Ricans and Dominicans,	1999.0250
1699		1999.4202	even we got some Asians and	2001.3519
1701		2001.8656	and some um, Caucasians who been here	2004.1381
1703		2004.6254	since	2004.9942
1705		2005.3849	the seventies and everything else. [But,] what make us so different	2008.3269
1706	LES_int_01	2006.9659	[Yeah.]	2007.2766
1707	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2009.9849	we can be in- in /Alasta-/ Alaska	2012.5225
1709		2013.6684	and see one more	2014.8801
1711		2015.4420	and you can feel the bond	2016.8322
1713		2017.2932	still from Lower East Side. Like, all these people	2019.6859
1715		2020.3752	was in federal and state	2021.9272
1717		2022.2229	jail.	2022.7059
1718	LES_int_01	2022.8595	Yeah.	2023.1932
1719	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2024.4548	They still like,	2025.3372
1721		2025.6639	it's /snil/ like a- you take snow,	2027.2865
1723		2027.5807	and you pat it together to make a snowball.	2029.5914
1724	LES_int_01	2029.7100	Yeah.	2030.0568
1725	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2030.2105	They still like that til today, like when you ge- when they get locked up,	2033.3110
1727		2033.7720	they can be upstate, they can be in Massachusetts, they can be wherever. But, once they see each other,	2038.0750
1728	LES_int_01	2038.2760	Yeah.	2038.6360
1729	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2039.1278	It's still there. Like, yo! L-E-S! And	2041.7136
1731		2042.5589	That's how it is, we stick together.	2044.2009
1732	LES_int_01	2044.3238	Okay.	2044.7804
1733	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2044.9297	Everywhere we go, i- like, it's unbelievable. Like, I live uptown now.	2048.7408
1735		2049.4812	But,	2049.7622
1737		2050.5129	I still see people from downtown and	2052.7696
1739		2053.0198	You can't take that L-E-S away from us, [no matter what.]	2055.6482
1740	LES_int_01	2054.9477	[Yeah. Oh you-] do you live uptown now?	2056.7740
1741	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2056.8192	Yes. I live uptown [now.]	2057.9849
1742	LES_int_01	2057.6555	[This is-]	2057.9586
1743		2058.0938	with your uh, your daughter's mom?	2059.8268
1744	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2059.8268	Yes.	2060.2697
1745	LES_int_01	2060.5915	[Where is that?]	2061.0578
1746	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2060.6055	[Yes.]	2060.8992
1747		2061.1161	/RD-ADDRESS-5/	2062.5569
1749		2063.0060	Central- right across the /?/ from Central Park.	2065.0344
1750	LES_int_01	2065.2502	How is it?	2065.7965
1751	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2066.4493	It's n- It's not like the Lower East Side?	2068.0794
1752	LES_int_01	2068.0794	<laugh> What?	2069.1518
1754		2069.5482	Why not?	2070.0471
1755	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2071.1242	I see more	2071.9403
1757		2072.6117	black on black	2073.4222
1759		2073.7812	than mixed.	2074.8444
1760	LES_int_01	2075.0729	Really?	2075.4972
1761	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2076.0847	And it's-	2076.5836
1763		2076.8494	i- i- it's like	2077.8050
1765		2079.1759	when I can leave my mother house,	2080.6260
1767		2080.7566	on ho- on Lower East Side in Houston Street,	2082.8033
1768	LES_int_01	2082.9572	Yeah.	2083.2183
1769	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2083.4468	I come out the building,	2084.4798
1771		2085.1233	or, once I get in a elevator,	2086.4942
1773		2087.1610	I might see	2088.0789
1775		2088.8063	a Arabic,	2089.6503
1777		2089.7762	a Puerto Rican, and a black person in a elevator.	2092.2662
1778	LES_int_01	2092.2755	Right.	2092.8491
1779	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2092.8491	When I leave	2093.5671
1780		2093.7816	[the ho-]	2094.0707
1781	LES_int_01	2093.7816	[Right.]	2094.0707
1782	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2094.2013	when I leave the apartment,	2095.1449
1784		2095.3920	uptown,	2096.0681
1786		2096.6883	I open the elevator,	2097.6955
1788		2097.8634	It's definitely three people up there, but we all the same [nationality. Like,]	2101.0656
1789	LES_int_01	2100.4641	[<laugh>]	2101.8942
1790	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2101.6811	[that's] one thing, where like	2102.6976
1791		2103.3225	[When I] come outside,	2104.4602
1792	LES_int_01	2103.3225	[Right.]	2103.6442
1793	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2106.0337	And don't see all them different	2107.5352
1795		2108.2719	um, um,	2109.0273
1797		2109.2978	grou- um, race,	2110.8738
1798	LES_int_01	2111.0137	Yeah.	2111.4614
1799	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2112.0162	it's like wow. [It-]	2113.0689
1800	LES_int_01	2112.9430	[So,] you like that mix?	2114.2579
1801	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2114.2579	I love that [mix.]	2115.5076
1802	LES_int_01	2115.3491	[Yeah.]	2115.6801
1803	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2115.9972	And	2116.5334
1805		2118.4172	It's like wow. I just need to get-	2120.0234
1807		2120.1540	get what I gotta do in life, to come back down here and try to like stay here forever.	2124.2060
1808	LES_int_01	2124.3366	[Right.]	2124.6024
1809	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2124.5231	[Cause] this is my dream.	2125.6236
1810	LES_int_01	2125.7868	What's gonna happen to this apartment?	2127.3523
1811	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2127.8093	Um. It's here.	2128.6160
1813		2128.7559	Um. My mom still have [it.]	2129.9962
1814	LES_int_01	2129.8377	[Your] mom has it.	2130.7656
1815	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2130.8822	And all that	2131.5443
1817		2131.6748	but um.	2132.2717
1818	LES_int_01	2132.9373	Does she live here by herself now?	2134.2336
1819	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2134.4761	Um. She live here with my nephew.	2136.0195
1820	LES_int_01	2136.2387	Mm-hm.	2136.5418
1821	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2136.7329	But, as- as we both know,	2138.2865
1823		2138.8087	moms is seventy-one young.	2140.2915
1825		2140.8919	She's getting up in age [and]	2142.6451
1826	LES_int_01	2142.2581	[Yeah.]	2142.6451
1827	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2143.6243	basically, I just tryna get it together to see, can I try to buy this.	2147.2766
1828	LES_int_01	2147.6018	Yeah, how does it work? It i- can she pass it down to someone	2150.4882
1829	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2150.5814	Like [yeah, if I was still on mine-]	2152.4559
1830	LES_int_01	2150.8379	[in- in her family?]	2152.0642
1831	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2152.5632	If I was still on a lease,	2153.9096
1832	LES_int_01	2154.1847	Yeah.	2154.5717
1833	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2154.5717	it'd go down to me.	2155.5090
1834	LES_int_01	2155.6861	Yeah.	2155.9799
1835	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2156.1384	But, my nephew got it right now, so it's still gonna be in the family regardless and things like that.	2160.2822
1836	LES_int_01	2160.4500	Yeah.	2160.7625
1837	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2161.0555	But,	2161.3119
1839		2161.4658	that's how it really works and things like that.	2163.4429
1840	LES_int_01	2163.4429	Yeah.	2163.7087
1842		2164.3801	Um.	2164.7531
1844		2164.9910	Is there anything that you don't like about	2166.7197
1846		2167.3912	the Lower East Side?	2168.6315
1847	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2169.1165	Um.	2169.6993
1849		2171.6752	What I don't like about the Lower East Side?	2173.5078
1851		2175.5315	I'm not a	2176.3288
1853		2177.1157	uh- I- I consider myself, I like everything.	2179.2420
1855		2179.7642	Like,	2179.9373
1857		2180.0959	nothing really bothers me.	2181.3362
1859		2181.4575	Like	2181.8136
1861		2183.0463	everything happens for a reason. So, if it's something negative down here, if	2186.0726
1863		2186.6122	or like,	2186.9152
1865		2187.1898	I ain't even mad at the fancy restaurants and the art galleries	2189.9079
1867		2190.0058	or the [people] who's flocking in.	2191.4825
1868	LES_int_01	2190.2240	[No.]	2190.4245
1869	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2191.9115	I ain't mad at them.	2192.7695
1870	LES_int_01	2193.0259	[Yeah.]	2193.2973
1871	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2193.2031	[Know] what I'm saying. Cause it's- it's	2194.3688
1872		2194.4808	in these days and times, if you can	2196.1499
1874		2196.3551	you gotta get in when you fit in.	2197.6374
1876		2197.9405	And if you got the dollar,	2199.1901
1878		2199.7544	to afford that apartment and all that,	2201.4362
1879	LES_int_01	2201.7580	Yeah.	2202.0983
1880	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2202.2382	I- I respect that.	2203.1428
1882		2203.7024	And for	2204.4345
1884		2204.8541	for the drug dealers who was raised and brought up on the Lower East Side and all that,	2208.5178
1886		2209.8068	maybe we shoulda been a little more smarter to invest into what we had.	2213.7437
1888		2214.2135	[And everything] else instead of looking at it like we losing this	2216.8760
1889	LES_int_01	2214.2135	[Yeah.]	2214.6576
1890	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2217.3003	and losing that.	2217.9624
1891	LES_int_01	2218.0697	Right.	2218.4660
1892	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2219.0862	So, it's like um.	2220.1773
1894		2221.5049	To each his own.	2222.2416
1896		2222.4596	I- I- wish everybody the best [and]	2224.1942
1897	LES_int_01	2224.0543	[Yeah.]	2224.5579
1898	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2224.8983	my goal in life, like I said,	2226.5210
1900		2227.0679	I tryna be that entrepreneur /what/ and to make	2229.3947
1902		2229.6138	what I can make	2230.3226
1904		2230.4438	just to try to buy	2231.3193
1906		2231.9162	anything what's open. I don't care what it is.	2233.5202
1907	LES_int_01	2233.6182	Right.	2233.8839
1908	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2233.8839	Anything what has got a for sale sign, and I got that money,	2236.4668
1909	LES_int_01	2236.5507	Yeah.	2236.9564
1910	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2237.0217	I'll try to buy it.	2237.8237
1912		2238.4532	Cause I know how to make it back	2239.6597
1914		2240.0887	[into the seventies and eighties.]	2241.5529
1915	LES_int_01	2240.2286	[Keep-]	2240.4944
1917		2241.0866	[keep it.]	2241.5529
1918		2241.7440	Keep it in the community.	2242.8990
1919	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2242.9643	[Definitely.]	2243.4446
1920	LES_int_01	2243.2860	[So,] you talk a lot about the community. Um.	2245.2169
1921		2245.5340	<ts>	2245.6273
1923		2246.0702	What does that word mean to you? Like what is-	2247.9951
1925		2248.3029	what is-	2248.7738
1927		2249.2215	what does it mean to be a community.	2250.6716
1928	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2251.6042	[Um. B- to be a part of it]	2253.0589
1929	LES_int_01	2251.9689	[How do you define it?]	2252.8409
1930		2253.3526	[Yeah.]	2253.6557
1931	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2253.5997	[to] be a part of it. To um,	2255.1432
1932		2256.6493	to go outside as a black man,	2258.8047
1934		2259.3398	and be like	2260.0253
1936		2260.9392	como-esta abuela?	2262.2495
1938		2262.5620	To a Spanish grandmother, [like,] how you doing, or how you doing grandma, but in Spanish.	2266.6467
1939	LES_int_01	2263.8956	[Right.]	2264.4038
1940		2266.9233	[Yeah.]	2267.2450
1941	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2267.0258	[And] to get that bond and that love back from that same Spanish woman who look at you	2271.0880
1942		2271.5123	and raise you also by going to her house with her kids and eating that same Puerto Rican	2276.0445
1944		2276.5108	and Black food that we did.	2278.0682
1945	LES_int_01	2278.2780	Yeah.	2278.6650
1946	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2278.7443	Like, for holidays, like we got the building,	2280.9021
1948		2281.3730	a hundred and ten apartments.	2282.6413
1950		2283.4387	And I live on the top floor, the eleventh floor, so I work my way down	2286.7809
1952		2287.3964	with my Kool-Aid, my- my soul food,	2289.8196
1954		2290.4351	And I'm going to the tenth floor to get some coquito and some Spanish food. [You know, I'm] going to the Dominicans to get the flan.	2296.7522
1955	LES_int_01	2294.7891	[Right.]	2295.1202
1956	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2297.0766	And	2297.3517
1957	LES_int_01	2297.8833	Yeah.	2298.2936
1958	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2298.3263	It's just- it's a- this a beautiful thing.	2300.2148
1959	LES_int_01	2301.2496	Right. So, interacting with these l-	2303.4505
1960	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2303.7256	[Definitely.]	2304.2665
1961	LES_int_01	2304.1360	[diverse]	2304.8727
1962	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2304.8727	Definitely, [and that's]	2305.8193
1963	LES_int_01	2305.4276	[groups of people.]	2306.2716
1964	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2306.7425	And that's what I'm missing cause you missing more of the	2309.4187
1966		2310.0622	I've been here	2310.8036
1968		2311.0847	over X amount of years	2312.5209
1969	LES_int_01	2312.5675	Yeah.	2312.9172
1970	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2313.7892	to	2314.3707
1972		2314.8976	now you see	2315.7556
1974		2316.1283	like, wow. This person look like they don't belong here.	2318.3665
1975	LES_int_01	2318.9389	Now, is that in this building, or in Lillian Wald, or is that in the	2322.7112
1977		2322.9583	sort of like the bigger neighborhood? Is [that happening] here [too?]	2325.8513
1978	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2324.6902	[I-]	2324.8907
1980		2325.4829	[Yeah.]	2325.8233
1981		2325.9306	That happening	2326.7160
1983		2327.5299	oh no- when I s- when I say the Sixth Borough, Lower East Side,	2329.9601
1984	LES_int_01	2329.9601	Yeah.	2330.2725
1985	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2330.8135	that's happening from Brooklyn Bridge, all the way to	2333.1196
1987		2333.4739	Fourteenth Street and Third Avenue	2335.1199
1989		2335.5534	and then out.	2335.9964
1990	LES_int_01	2336.2855	And is that what you think of as the Lower East Side? That-	2338.6975
1992		2338.8268	the-	2339.1812
1993	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2339.2698	Yes.	2339.6661
1994	LES_int_01	2339.6661	that's like ]a-]	2340.3830
1995	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2340.2058	[Yes. From Smith] Projects,	2341.7679
1996	LES_int_01	2340.6302	[a-]	2340.8120
1997		2341.7679	Mm-hm.	2342.0943
1998	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2342.4627	that's starting at Brooklyn Bridge	2344.1680
1999	LES_int_01	2344.1837	Yeah.	2344.4907
2000	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2344.9527	all the way to Jackson and FDR [Drive,]	2347.7588
2001	LES_int_01	2347.6096	[Yeah.]	2347.8894
2002	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2348.2670	to Fourteenth Street, FDR Drive from	2350.5973
2004		2350.9098	east	2351.3621
2006		2351.6092	all the way to Third Avenue.	2353.0174
2007	LES_int_01	2353.0873	Yeah.	2353.3764
2008	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2353.3951	From Third Avenue, all the way back down to Bowery and Houston.	2356.6797
2009	LES_int_01	2356.7590	Right.	2357.1087
2010	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2357.5334	And then, it go farther than that, [cause] it still gotta [go]	2360.1606
2011	LES_int_01	2359.0355	[/Up/]	2359.3228
2013		2359.8062	[Yeah.] You gotta get all the way [down.]	2361.2051
2014	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2360.9580	[That's-] That's the Sixth Borough in my eyes.	2362.8653
2015	LES_int_01	2363.0005	Yeah.	2363.2663
2016	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2363.2710	Anything	2363.9844
2018		2364.7153	from Houston Street,	2365.7924
2020		2366.2681	walking distance,	2367.2053
2022		2367.4571	thirty to forty minute walking distance is still considered the Sixth Borough.	2370.7398
2023	LES_int_01	2370.8538	[Okay.]	2371.3324
2024	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2371.0338	[How] we used to get up	2371.9558
2025		2372.4738	and walk to the World Trade Center, a thirty to forty-five minute walks. Top.	2376.0950
2026	LES_int_01	2376.4867	Yeah.	2376.8224
2027	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2377.2048	That's the- that considered the sixth borough, cause	2379.4476
2029		2379.5670	all	2379.9578
2031		2380.2722	within a walk.	2381.2573
2032	LES_int_01	2381.4329	Yeah.	2381.8236
2034		2382.6007	What about people that think	2384.0605
2036		2384.1796	that	2384.7547
2038		2385.1790	north of Houston Street is something different	2387.8966
2040		2388.0108	than south of Houston Street?	2389.4552
2042		2389.7625	Do you know what I'm talking about? Like, a lot of people that look at north of Houston Street as the East Village?	2393.9844
2044		2395.0293	Or Alphabet [City, or] something like that.	2396.9127
2045	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2395.8152	[Yeah.]	2396.2542
2046		2397.3151	Alphabet [City.]	2398.0922
2047	LES_int_01	2397.9824	[Yeah.] What do you- what do you think about that? Do you think that there's a separation?	2401.9030
2048	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2402.1137	It's-	2402.4605
2050		2403.0181	It's no separation cause	2404.4522
2052		2404.9439	right now,	2405.6683
2054		2406.4015	we on north of Houston Street,	2407.8459
2055	LES_int_01	2407.9337	Yeah.	2408.2410
2056	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2408.7356	but I still represent south	2410.4917
2058		2410.7376	of Houston Street.	2411.4532
2060		2411.9054	And that's still considered	2413.0513
2062		2414.0391	all these projects, that bridge, the Manhattan Bridge, Brooklyn Bridge,	2417.9113
2063	LES_int_01	2417.9859	Yeah.	2418.3459
2064	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2418.4952	all that is considered	2419.5313
2066		2420.3215	the Sixth Borough, Lower East Side, still.	2422.0892
2067	LES_int_01	2422.2736	Yeah.	2422.5809
2068	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2422.9804	And,	2423.4326
2070		2423.7619	the only separation we getting is from the quote.	2426.3494
2072		2427.4146	Everybody's getting more educated and	2429.4824
2074		2429.7804	flocking in	2430.7846
2076		2430.8768	[and]	2431.2895
2077	LES_int_01	2430.8768	[Yeah.]	2431.3685
2078	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2431.5902	they tryna say, oh this is	2433.3288
2080		2433.8205	this is south of Houston Street, it's really different from North of [Houston.]	2438.3474
2081	LES_int_01	2438.0928	[Lo-ho] or [whatever.]	2440.0042
2082	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2439.6135	[Lo-ho] is [really] for me, it's no-ho.	2441.7954
2083	LES_int_01	2440.4152	[Yeah.]	2440.6750
2084	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2442.0309	[Cause] we ain't going for that.	2443.0971
2085	LES_int_01	2442.0309	[Yeah.]	2442.4822
2086	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2443.1761	Like, nah. [This is still] the Lower East Side.	2445.3406
2087	LES_int_01	2443.8874	[Yeah.]	2444.2825
2088	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2446.1232	And	2446.5666
2090		2446.7773	no matter what,	2447.6378
2092		2448.7574	I feel my company	2450.0525
2094		2450.7330	It's gonna take off a little bit faster than everybody else's because we got the whole Lower East Side.	2456.2501
2095	LES_int_01	2456.3247	Okay.	2456.6979
2096	LES_se0_ag3_m_01	2459.5718	Excuse me, one second.	2460.7836