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1ROC_int_010.484Um, I usually say about forty minutes.3.332
2ROC_se0_ag1_f_033.371Okay.3.748
3ROC_int_013.911Yeah.4.166
4ROC_se0_ag1_f_034.513I don't want5.394
6 5.971you to be interrupted. I should put my phone on vibrate too.8.48 
7ROC_int_0112.186I like your nails. I love nude color.14.886
8ROC_se0_ag1_f_0315.138Nude is like [the only color] that I17.274
9ROC_int_0115.796[Mm-hm.]16.289
10ROC_se0_ag1_f_0317.492can really wear and feel good in besides black.20.258
11ROC_int_0120.266Yeah.20.709
12ROC_se0_ag1_f_0320.718Or gray.21.194
13ROC_int_0121.217Yeah, that's a good point. [Yeah.]23.418
14ROC_se0_ag1_f_0322.901[I'm like] slowly getting into flesh tones. I feel like I'm growing up [because I- I] can now wear another color.28.705
15ROC_int_0126.3[<laugh>]27.304
16 28.747Yeah.29.302
17ROC_se0_ag1_f_0330.037Okay.30.793
19 32.975/Alright, hey/.33.427 
20ROC_int_0133.441Awesome,33.971
22 34.082so,34.786 
24 35.108uh, have you grown up in Rochester your entire life?38.467 
25ROC_se0_ag1_f_0338.69Yes, [I] have.39.712
26ROC_int_0139.096[Okay.]39.367
27 40.057Okay cool. And where did- where were you born, I guess which part of the city did you grow up [in?]43.879
28ROC_se0_ag1_f_0343.791[Um], the s- the South Side, the South Wedge.46.496
29 47.213/RD-ADDRESS-3/-48.266
31 49.366whatever neighborhood.50.481 
33 50.742That's a silly name, [but]52.246 
34ROC_int_0152.066[Yeah.]52.5
35ROC_se0_ag1_f_0352.655yeah. And then I grew up around there. I've never lived anywhere else55.729
37 55.962other then like /RD-ADDRESS-3/.57.772 
38ROC_int_0158.243Okay.58.677
39ROC_se0_ag1_f_0359.059Kind of around like, school.60.388
40ROC_int_0160.718Yeah,61.218
42 61.401[yeah <laugh>]62.401 
43ROC_se0_ag1_f_0361.464[Pretty much. I've always] lived around there.63.077
44 63.339Except for-64.299
46 64.784there was- there were like two years when66.55 
48 67.362I lived in the hood, but68.425 
49ROC_int_0168.52[Mm-hm.]68.942
50ROC_se0_ag1_f_0368.746[that] ended quickly.69.866
51ROC_int_0169.926[<laugh>]70.518
52ROC_se0_ag1_f_0371.194And- and then I just moved back over here.73.166
53ROC_int_0173.324Yeah.73.688
55 74.154Okay. And when you say the hood, what's the hood to you?76.425 
56ROC_se0_ag1_f_0376.658<ts>76.775
58 77.008It was-78.546 
60 79.189<laugh>79.627 
62 80.201it was- it was /RD-ADDRESS-4/. It was between /RD-ADDRESS-5/ on the East Side. And there was a memorial literally85.478 
64 86.565right in front of my porch with like, mad teddy bears and [stuff.]88.974 
65ROC_int_0188.862[Yeah], yeah, [okay.]90.242
66ROC_se0_ag1_f_0389.713[Like, someone] got shot91.035
67 91.366right there. [And there was] like a bullet hole in my room. [Like in my wall.]95.319
68ROC_int_0192.212[Mm-hm.]92.901
70 94.256[Oh, wow.]95.305 
71ROC_se0_ag1_f_0396.242Um, I guess it went through.97.595
73 97.985I've always thought it was kind of cool, but-99.818 
75 100.438but then on the way to school one day, I got like, chased by some girls who wanted my coat.103.972 
76ROC_int_01104.936Woah.105.225
77ROC_se0_ag1_f_03105.487And then I just ran. I ran and ran and ran until- it was in the morning and I was waiting for the bus. And [I ran and ran] until I caught the bus. And I was like,111.676
78ROC_int_01109.562[Mm-hm.]110.111
79ROC_se0_ag1_f_03111.81I- maybe I should move, maybe we should move. Like (laughing) [this isn't] working out. Like (laughing).116.046
80ROC_int_01114.163[Yeah.]114.639
81 116.256Yeah, then it was like right away.117.957
82ROC_se0_ag1_f_03118.06But other than that, you know, it wasn't so bad.119.701
83ROC_int_01119.897[Mm-hm.]120.433
84ROC_se0_ag1_f_03119.902[At all.]120.438
85 120.648I just- I think I need to stick to, uh, The Wedge.123.454
87 123.561[And-] and Monroe.124.759 
88ROC_int_01123.561[Yeah.]123.934
89ROC_se0_ag1_f_03124.946[<laugh>]126.108
90ROC_int_01124.974[Yeah, nah, I hear you.]126.214
91 126.793And, um, did you grow up with your mom and dad or-129.575
92ROC_se0_ag1_f_03129.626Nope, just my mom.130.498
93ROC_int_01130.498Your mom, okay, cool. And what does your mom do?133.03
94ROC_se0_ag1_f_03133.133My mom is a preschool teacher.134.978
95ROC_int_01135.03Oh, okay [cool.]136.428
96ROC_se0_ag1_f_03136.181[Yep.] She works for a not-for-profit, um, on the East Side.139.287
97 140.266It's called /RD-WORK-6/.141.897
98ROC_int_01142.046Okay.142.489
100 142.904I've heard of that actually. [That sounds] familiar.145.347 
101ROC_se0_ag1_f_03144.322[Yep.]144.732
102 145.646She's been there for like ten years. It sucks because148.141
104 148.547everything is-149.109 
106 150.004it works off of funding,151.082 
107ROC_int_01151.226[Mm-hm.]151.678
108ROC_se0_ag1_f_03151.391[so.]151.944
109 152.745I don't know. I always felt like she should make more because she does a lot, but155.93
111 157.268everyone says teachers make shitty pay. And I guess that's true.160.68 
112ROC_int_01160.694Mm-hm, yeah.161.911
113ROC_se0_ag1_f_03162.34It sucks though. I feel like,163.826
115 163.934it's-164.245 
117 164.719it's so much165.598 
119 165.943more important than people seem to think. [And] I always think like she comes home tired when they have a cold, she catches the cold, she brings it home. [Like],172.33 
120ROC_int_01168.144[Mm-hm.]168.578
122 171.911[Right.]172.344 
123ROC_se0_ag1_f_03172.759she'll come home like, bruised because like some little kid- some badass little kid decided to like, punch her. Like, some of them178.985
125 179.209are like179.599 
127 179.823<ts>179.897 
129 180.256problem children.181.52 
130ROC_int_01181.525Right.182.047
131ROC_se0_ag1_f_03182.163Which I don't think that's true either, but.184.854
132ROC_int_01185.053Mm-hm.185.641
133ROC_se0_ag1_f_03186They just are a little bit out of control and188.188
135 188.43so,188.788 
137 189.906yeah.190.321 
139 190.778But I think she should191.995 
141 192.289make a lot more (whispered).193.119 
143 193.361but (whispered) that's what she does.194.13 
144ROC_int_01194.237Yeah.194.708
145ROC_se0_ag1_f_03194.815And she likes it, so.196.107
146ROC_int_01196.545Okay. So did she have any preferences I guess growing up, on where to send you to school?201.165
148 201.673Seeing as though like, she's a teacher and what not203.767 
149ROC_se0_ag1_f_03203.957<ts>204.168
151 204.238Um, she didn't work when I was205.731 
153 205.86growing up. [She just] took care of me.207.584 
154ROC_int_01206.406[Okay.]206.672
155ROC_se0_ag1_f_03207.995So,208.592
157 209.207she didn't work until I was sixteen.211.413 
159 211.898Um,212.504 
161 212.919/We had to go/ live with my grandmother. I guess she just really wanted to raise me herself like, she didn't want to put me in daycare.217.549 
162ROC_int_01217.577Mm-hm.218.127
163ROC_se0_ag1_f_03218.193Or anything, um.219.46
165 220.211So I grew up a little isolated.222.439 
167 222.701Like (laughing).223.241 
169 224.029I guess. And she,225.627 
171 225.855just,226.369 
173 228.407she knew that I was always artsy and /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was her first choice.232.266 
174ROC_int_01232.294Mm-hm.232.803
175ROC_se0_ag1_f_03233.162Um,233.726
177 234.561cause it was my first choice, I thought it would be fun.236.965 
179 237.399And so, I got in. That was back when the lottery was a thing.240.888 
180ROC_int_01240.887Right.241.395
181 241.586<ts>241.745
183 241.88Wait so you've been going since sixth [grade?] Oh, okay I thought you came for high [school.]246.495 
184ROC_se0_ag1_f_03243.651[Yeah.]243.921
186 246.258[Mm-mm] nope. I was there since sixth grade.248.556 
187ROC_int_01248.662Wow.249.171
188ROC_se0_ag1_f_03249.161It was the best. I would go back right now.250.849
189ROC_int_01250.859Yeah, [okay.]251.549
190ROC_se0_ag1_f_03251.148[Like], fuck being an adult.252.413
191ROC_int_01252.449[<laugh> agreed.]254.57
192ROC_se0_ag1_f_03253.236[I would go back right] now, tomorrow, and it would be the best.256.44
193ROC_int_01256.462Yeah.256.891
194ROC_se0_ag1_f_03256.985I can't think of like a better time period in my life than high school, even though I was not popular.261.213
195ROC_int_01261.399[Mm-hm.]261.716
196ROC_se0_ag1_f_03261.59[At] all (laughing).262.635
197ROC_int_01262.77Girl, me and you both [<laugh>.]265.203
198ROC_se0_ag1_f_03264.634[I was] so-265.926
199 266.327oh I was ugly [until like the ten grade. Like, I was. I was.] It was horrible. And then I got boobs. And then high school273.483
200ROC_int_01267.208[/I was telling people/, stop, stop.]270.229
201ROC_se0_ag1_f_03273.87was like274.528
203 274.774totally different. But [even before like],276.742 
204ROC_int_01275.846[<laugh>]276.742
205ROC_se0_ag1_f_03277.282even when no one talked to me, like279.152
207 279.353it was still the best. I loved it.281.189 
209 281.441Didn't you love it?282.229 
210ROC_int_01282.401Yeah. I actually miss high school a lot too.285.255
212 285.815I mean yeah. I'm not with this being a grown up [stuff.]288.617 
213ROC_se0_ag1_f_03288.137[No.]288.571
214ROC_int_01288.785[Like-]289.116
215ROC_se0_ag1_f_03289.031[No] no, no no, I'm not either (laughing).291.68
216ROC_int_01291.708You know, but you were like me. I grew up with my mom. My mom was a stay-at-home mom.296.873
218 297.251Like most of my life [so.]298.994 
219ROC_se0_ag1_f_03298.865[Yeah.]299.251
220ROC_int_01299.438Yeah.299.82
221ROC_se0_ag1_f_03299.829I'd like to be a stay at home mom.301.424
222ROC_int_01301.573Yeah.301.988
223ROC_se0_ag1_f_03302.36I really would.303.017
224ROC_int_01303.335I think it's really beneficial for the kids. I mean,305.559
226 306.058society like,307.152 
228 307.6could look down on it sometimes. And they're like, oh I'll be able to- /if you're a woman and all the-/ I'm like nah,312.474 
229ROC_se0_ag1_f_03312.481[No.]312.978
230ROC_int_01312.664[I loved] it.313.41
231 313.531<laugh>314.088
232ROC_se0_ag1_f_03314.134Yeah.314.647
234 314.918I- I absolutely agree.316.771 
236 317.037I-317.615 
238 318.496It's a job.319.17 
240 319.503It's, uh, a [legitimate job.]320.836 
241ROC_int_01320.256[Mm-hm.]320.832
242 321.389Mm-hm.321.696
243ROC_se0_ag1_f_03321.724Too bad people don't322.473
245 322.638see it that way but it is.323.703 
247 323.864It's just as important as going and punching in somewhere.326.829 
249 326.99I mean it's way better, cause who even wants to punch in somewhere. Like,329.51 
250ROC_int_01329.915Mm-hm.330.198
251ROC_se0_ag1_f_03330.193I've never been able to keep a job that I punch in at.332.176
252 332.507Ever.332.843
253ROC_int_01332.997Yeah.333.235
254ROC_se0_ag1_f_03333.356Like, I334.34
256 334.827unintentionally just,335.766 
258 335.941like I think mess it up, because I can't do it.338.398 
259ROC_int_01338.547Mm.339.084
261 339.167[Yeah, yeah.]339.724 
262ROC_se0_ag1_f_03339.17[I think- I] think it's slowly just grows and grows. Like the resentment, or whatever of being like in a place, where you're monitored, like,346.41
263 346.554uh, I'm gonna punch in now, I'm gonna punch out, like I- it feels so normal that it's terrible.350.57
264ROC_int_01350.638Mm-hm.351.074
265ROC_se0_ag1_f_03351.151So eventually, like352.132
267 352.573I get fired or I quit (laughing).353.79 
268ROC_int_01353.934Yeah.354.414
269ROC_se0_ag1_f_03354.505But,354.799
271 355.202Yeah.355.696 
273 356.113I w- I would like to be a stay-at-home mom someday.358.009 
274ROC_int_01358.223Yeah. Nah I'm- I don't blame you. [<laugh>]360.734
275ROC_se0_ag1_f_03360.594[Before] my ovaries, like atrophy, [and die], hopefully364.417
276ROC_int_01362.969[<laugh>]363.818
277 364.417Girl, you still got time.365.538
278ROC_se0_ag1_f_03365.549<psh> Mm-mm, where?366.769
279ROC_int_01366.951<laugh>367.675
280ROC_se0_ag1_f_03367.68Where? (laughing)368.37
281ROC_int_01368.472You still got time. I [mean-]369.948
282ROC_se0_ag1_f_03369.783[<laugh>]370.668
283ROC_int_01370.808Yeah.371.344
285 371.919But [<laugh> right I don't know about here, but]375.921 
286ROC_se0_ag1_f_03372.39[Mm-hm, I don't know. No, no, no.]375.569
287 376.744I don't know.377.351
288ROC_int_01378.409Well, in high school you said-380.306
290 380.505did you mostly hang out by yourself then, from, [like, six to tenth or-]383.928 
291ROC_se0_ag1_f_03382.726[Um.]383.094
293 383.514[Yeah], I did.385.853 
294ROC_int_01386.125[Mm.]386.591
295ROC_se0_ag1_f_03386.577[I-] I-387.391
296 387.546from like, tenth on, I had like a couple of friends that I390.206
298 390.329finally felt like I fit in with, but391.749 
300 392.85I didn't393.437 
302 394.232have like,395.176 
304 395.92I didn't have396.576 
306 396.796a place where I felt like I belonged. It [wasn't.]399.246 
307ROC_int_01398.635[Mm-hm.]399.211
308ROC_se0_ag1_f_03400.024Like, I kind of got like the shitty end of the stick in high school.403.418
310 403.608<laugh>404.014 
311ROC_int_01403.987Mm.404.536
312ROC_se0_ag1_f_03404.571[For-] for a while. [Like],405.751
313ROC_int_01405.677[Yeah.]406.047
314ROC_se0_ag1_f_03406.071I loved school. I loved actual school. [Like I never] hated school, but,409.852
315ROC_int_01408.299[Yeah.]408.555
316ROC_se0_ag1_f_03410.675uh,411.202
318 411.378it took a while to find people who I think413.766 
320 413.949like,414.285 
322 414.414wanted to be friend and by tenth grade, I think416.822 
324 417.069maybe I found them.418.003 
325ROC_int_01418.36Mm-hm.418.943
327 419.43Do you still talk with them or-420.963 
328ROC_se0_ag1_f_03421.061<ts>421.178
330 421.302Yeah I do, actually.423.246 
332 423.383Um,423.961 
334 424.783I talk to at least a couple of them. And it's funny cause we are still428.215 
336 428.324really close.429.111 
337ROC_int_01429.129Okay.429.463
339 429.677[That's good.]430.173 
340ROC_se0_ag1_f_03429.805[Um.]430.346
341 430.595and-it- it's funny how it turned out that way, but432.432
343 432.588I think we always will be.433.882 
344ROC_int_01434.083Mm-hm.434.579
345ROC_se0_ag1_f_03435.005Yeah there is435.805
347 436.033someone that I don't talk to anymore. And438.658 
349 439.846um,440.467 
351 440.749and then obviously, like,442.138 
353 442.98I dated /RD-NAME-1/ after high [school.]444.849 
354ROC_int_01444.336[Oh yeah.]444.847
355ROC_se0_ag1_f_03444.968[Forever.]445.525
356ROC_int_01444.975[Right.]445.528
357 445.646[Mm-hm.]446.038
358ROC_se0_ag1_f_03445.672[We're- we're] good. We're just not together. [But],447.777
359ROC_int_01447.562[Yeah.]447.866
360ROC_se0_ag1_f_03448.313um,448.793
362 449.668and that was funny450.512 
364 450.623too cause that,451.717 
366 452.136I thought we were gonna get married. And I was like, am I really gonna marry someone that I met in fucking high school, like,457.451 
367ROC_int_01457.661Mm-hm.457.959
368ROC_se0_ag1_f_03458.026I've known him for so long. <laugh>460.057
369ROC_int_01460.136[Yeah.]460.537
370ROC_se0_ag1_f_03460.358[How] are we s- how are we still like, in contact. In a- in a thing. How?464.463
371ROC_int_01464.487Mm-hm.465.075
372ROC_se0_ag1_f_03465.006But465.274
373 465.467it's just like that, I feel like,466.875
375 467.197I don't know, if it was like the class of o-seven.469.227 
377 469.835or- uh- something about us, [but]471.576 
378ROC_int_01471.182[Mm-hm.]471.695
379ROC_se0_ag1_f_03472.577yeah I'm still pretty close to a lot of474.977
381 475.682the people who I was back then.476.952 
382ROC_int_01477.355And was your major, art?478.758
384 479.129Right? [Or visual?]480.108 
385ROC_se0_ag1_f_03479.414[It was theater.]480.439
386ROC_int_01481.316Theater, okay.482.362
387ROC_se0_ag1_f_03482.695[Mm-hm.]483.204
388ROC_int_01482.882[I didn't] know that.483.987
389ROC_se0_ag1_f_03484.006It was.484.598
390ROC_int_01484.621Yeah, okay.485.639
392 485.779Cool.486.36 
394 486.696And, um,487.934 
396 488.271what'd you like, I guess about, the theater program at /RD-SCHOOL-4/?491.765 
397ROC_se0_ag1_f_03492.56Um, I liked, the fact that I didn't have to take gym, cause they made us take gym cause they made us take dance.497.416
398ROC_int_01497.455Oh.498.098
400 498.258[Yeah.]498.689 
401ROC_se0_ag1_f_03498.453[And] they also taught you how to sing.500.563
402 500.731And I-501.283
404 501.88It was like a bunch of majors in one.503.518 
405ROC_int_01503.528Mm-hm.504.068
406ROC_se0_ag1_f_03504.108W- we had to take dance everyday.505.593
408 506.197And we also, like507.5 
410 507.815had to take voice lessons.509.029 
411ROC_int_01509.098[Right.]509.693
412ROC_se0_ag1_f_03509.122[so it's kind of like], a little bit of vocal, and it was a lot of dance actually.511.871
413ROC_int_01511.912Mm-hm.512.406
414ROC_se0_ag1_f_03512.437And it was interesting, and it was fun. And514.794
416 515.863that's what attracted me to it.517.647 
417ROC_int_01517.824Yeah, did you have favorite shows while you were there or-520.924
418ROC_se0_ag1_f_03521.022I couldn't.521.537
420 522.194I- I couldn't participate in all the shows. And I really wanted too, [cause I didn't have a] ride back526.84 
421ROC_int_01525.616[Mm-hm.]526.126
422ROC_se0_ag1_f_03527.122from like, late [rehearsals]528.414
423ROC_int_01527.992[Okay.]528.528
424ROC_se0_ag1_f_03528.502and my mom, I guess was a little overprotective, and she worried. /And/531.74
425 532.341she couldn't like, drive me home534.213
427 534.836at the times when536.076 
429 536.201rehearsals would end537.952 
430ROC_int_01538.036[Mm-hm.]538.656
431ROC_se0_ag1_f_03538.069[And]538.887
432 539.968I guess I always kind of resented her for that, cause I would have been on the stage a lot more.543.229
434 543.7[But.]544.141 
435ROC_int_01543.759[Yeah.]544.15
436ROC_se0_ag1_f_03544.502I mean,545.15
438 545.385we- we had to see all of the shows too anyway.548.558 
439ROC_int_01548.681Mm-hm.549.206
440ROC_se0_ag1_f_03549.276So we could like, write about them. And551.013
442 551.217so we got to see them all anyway.552.916 
444 553.267I don't know if I had a favorite show.554.826 
446 555.307I swore we were gonna do Grease one day,557.208 
447ROC_int_01557.39Yeah.557.747
448ROC_se0_ag1_f_03557.749so I learned all the songs, just because I thought we were gonna do it. And I was like,561.202
450 561.265wait, I was like when we do it,562.833 
452 563.148like in September when we found out all the shows that were gonna happen. I was like watch, one day, I'm gonna come to school, like one year,568.745 
454 569.178and they're gonna say Grease, and I'm gonna kill [everything. because I know], every song. And like,573.399 
455ROC_int_01571.37[<laugh>]572.284
456ROC_se0_ag1_f_03573.508it [n- never] happened but-574.984
457ROC_int_01573.613[Yeah.]574.168
458 575.385[Mm-hm.]575.921
459ROC_se0_ag1_f_03575.874[So] I always hoped we would do Grease, but we didn't.577.581
460 577.934I was in one play.578.762
462 579.228And I was in the ninth grade.580.447 
464 581.083And I was a second lead.582.038 
465ROC_int_01582.271[Mm-hm.]582.752
466ROC_se0_ag1_f_03582.724[Which] I guess was okay, but it wasn't good enough.584.453
467ROC_int_01584.648Mm, [y- yeah.]586.2
468ROC_se0_ag1_f_03584.997[You know it wasn't good enough for me.]586.2
469ROC_int_01586.755[Yeah, yeah,]587.786
470ROC_se0_ag1_f_03586.76[<laugh>]587.602
471 588.152[You know] I wanted to go further, but I didn't really get a chance to-591.044
472ROC_int_01588.168[right.]588.455
473ROC_se0_ag1_f_03591.552to do a lot more plays, but that's okay. [Cause]593.716
474ROC_int_01593.497[Mm-hm.]594.024
475ROC_se0_ag1_f_03594.035watching them594.844
477 595.029was just as fun.595.973 
478ROC_int_01596.503Yeah.596.937
479ROC_se0_ag1_f_03597.268Maybe.597.697
480ROC_int_01597.874[<laugh>]598.522
481ROC_se0_ag1_f_03597.879[Not really], but it was still fun.599.438
482ROC_int_01599.543Yeah.600.042
484 600.187I always said, I would have liked to be in theater if I wasn't in creative writing,603.837 
485ROC_se0_ag1_f_03604.606I [should] have been a creative writing major.606.485
486ROC_int_01604.699[so.]605.03
488 606.299[You] should. [You really should've.]608.308 
489ROC_se0_ag1_f_03607.222[I should've.]608.164
490 608.643I should've, but I was,610.177
492 610.522like,610.848 
494 611.473I was stuck on drama. I wanted to get noticed and nobody ever noticed me [until-]615.244 
495ROC_int_01615.064[Mm-hm.]615.51
496ROC_se0_ag1_f_03616.079Like they noticed me for the wrong reasons. Like,617.986
497ROC_int_01617.986Mm.618.266
498ROC_se0_ag1_f_03618.266when I was almost done with high school. And I always knew it was the wrong reasons, but621.692
499 622.102[looking-]622.858
500ROC_int_01622.102[When you say wrong], what do you mean by wrong?624.149
501ROC_se0_ag1_f_03624.331Um.625.017
503 625.795Well I feel like627.475 
505 627.682when I grew boobs, [people] like- like boys started to look at me. And like,632.164 
506ROC_int_01629.11[Okay.]629.436
507ROC_se0_ag1_f_03632.582I'd have a crush on a boy forever, but like,634.591
509 634.811I don't know, my clothes were fucked up. And like,636.709 
511 637.087I was kind of broke and, grew up kind of poor. So I never really looked my best.640.83 
513 641.576And maybe- I mean I was like skinny, and I was a stick figure. I didn't [have anything.] So I don't think I was really like,649.371 
514ROC_int_01646.214[Mm-hm.]646.872
515ROC_se0_ag1_f_03650.186noticed until,651.624
517 651.757oh, of course652.699 
519 652.998you got boobs. now it's like, oh, it's like there's a new person in class. I've been here since the sixth grade. Like,658.136 
521 658.578you know,658.942 
522ROC_int_01659.24Mm-hm.659.641
523ROC_se0_ag1_f_03659.632I've been here like, and no one looked, but-661.891
524 662.091but662.439
526 662.932<ts>663.025 
528 663.091i- it all balanced out and evened out.664.956 
530 665.725[And] it still was like the best experience.667.819 
531ROC_int_01665.732[Yeah.]666.047
532 668.041Mm-hm,668.548
534 668.905yeah.669.338 
535ROC_se0_ag1_f_03670.154So,670.596
536ROC_int_01671.924Would you, um,673.305
538 673.729how would you describe I guess, your image675.807 
540 676.003of transition out of high school to like, I guess being an adult.680.024 
542 680.377How have you felt like [you've changed?]682.214 
543ROC_se0_ag1_f_03681.342[Um.]682.014
544 683.408I can't even really say that I've changed, cause I was still686.364
546 687.426developing. They were formative years. [So] like, I can't say I was something and now I'm something [else.]692.658 
547ROC_int_01689.487[Mm-hm.]689.837
549 692.344[Yeah.]692.641 
550ROC_se0_ag1_f_03692.969I didn't even think I was ready, to pop out of any type of shell, like.696.024
551ROC_int_01696.089Yeah.696.499
552ROC_se0_ag1_f_03697.026Like I lost my virginity like,698.778
554 699.184two months before we graduated.700.601 
555ROC_int_01700.769Mm.701.138
556ROC_se0_ag1_f_03701.152And like, I had to listen to everyone else talking about sex forever, and I was just like, I'm not ready, I'm not ready, I'm not ready. How could you do that? Like,707.114
557ROC_int_01707.17Mm-hm.707.641
558ROC_se0_ag1_f_03707.65I didn't get kissed till I was sixteen, almost [seventeen.] Like not even one kiss. So I feel like I was a late bloomer in that aspect.714.247
559ROC_int_01709.757[Mm-hm.]710.233
560ROC_se0_ag1_f_03714.854And so, I can't even say I was something. I think [when I] graduated,719.655
561ROC_int_01718.438[Mm.]718.788
562ROC_se0_ag1_f_03720.577my- my mom finally let me cut my hair. Cause I wanted to cut it forever.723.846
564 724.606And then I-725.105 
566 725.403I cut my hair and I started modeling and then I shaved my head (laughing).729.165 
568 729.715And then it just, I li- I just did what I wanted.732.476 
569ROC_int_01732.993[Mm-hm.]733.345
570ROC_se0_ag1_f_03733.231[And-] and I didn't really-735.086
571 736.182I think once I was like, free from my738.24
573 738.528kind of738.94 
575 739.33restricted740.298 
577 740.806home life. I just did exactly what I wanted to do.743.338 
578ROC_int_01743.576Mm-hm.744.038
579ROC_se0_ag1_f_03744.317I don't know, I've always done exactly what I wanted to do and that's probably changed.747.534
580ROC_int_01747.795Yeah.748.247
581ROC_se0_ag1_f_03748.21[But], what I've been doing hasn't changed.749.826
582ROC_int_01749.889Okay.750.27
583ROC_se0_ag1_f_03750.63But what I've- what I've want has- has changed slightly, so I just go with that.754.121
584ROC_int_01754.317Mm-hm.754.729
586 755.124Yeah,755.517 
588 755.776yeah.756.187 
590 756.63And how did you get into the modeling stuff758.821 
592 759.196after, high school?760.414 
593ROC_se0_ag1_f_03760.092<ts>760.19
594 760.89Um,761.639
596 761.819started in high school.763.586 
598 764.289I did one of those stupid- you remember In Control?766.163 
599ROC_int_01766.779Yes, I do.767.539
600ROC_se0_ag1_f_03767.548So I did one of their [stupid fashion shows. That wasn't really] a fashion show.770.913
601ROC_int_01768.201[<laugh>]770.15
602ROC_se0_ag1_f_03771.552But like, for us it was, I [guess back then.]773.94
603ROC_int_01773.04[/Yeah I think it was/] yeah a lot of-774.69
604ROC_se0_ag1_f_03774.895And then /RD-NAME-2/'s mom776.406
606 776.704<ts> wanted me to do her778.741 
608 779.483her hair show. And I780.644 
610 780.844did her hair show [for like three] years straight. And then it just went on from there.784.14 
611ROC_int_01781.623[Mm-hm.]782.122
612ROC_se0_ag1_f_03784.779And-785.417
614 786.714and it- I started off really small. And I'm still doing it,790.418 
616 790.569but790.942 
618 792.765I know I can't do it forever, I don't really wanna do it for much longer.795.454 
619ROC_int_01795.576Mm-hm.796.079
620ROC_se0_ag1_f_03796.27I'm twenty-six now, and I've been doing it for nine years and eh, it's really not the greatest803.077
622 803.31honestly.804.084 
623ROC_int_01804.112Yeah.804.462
624ROC_se0_ag1_f_03804.882You worry about your body and [it makes] you look at yourself808.314
625ROC_int_01806.755[Mm-hm.]807.142
626ROC_se0_ag1_f_03809.035under like a- a- a far stricter like,811.693
628 814.317magnifying glass than you would if you816.168 
630 816.686weren't817.255 
632 818.345in this field.819.366 
633ROC_int_01819.552[Yeah.]819.79
634ROC_se0_ag1_f_03819.691[And-] and you didn't have to worry about822.126
635 823.166like823.516
637 824.074you're chosen because you look at certain way. That's fucked up.826.35 
638ROC_int_01826.485Mm-hm.826.97
639ROC_se0_ag1_f_03826.97That is fucked up.827.944
640ROC_int_01828.056[Mm-hm, yeah.]828.886
641ROC_se0_ag1_f_03828.368[I don't know] why anyone would want [to] actually do that.831.096
642ROC_int_01830[Mm.]830.159
643 831.217Mm-hm.831.684
644ROC_se0_ag1_f_03832.598But,832.961
646 834.34sometimes like, the finished product. The piece of art is really nice.837.353 
647ROC_int_01837.758[Mm-hm.]838.127
648ROC_se0_ag1_f_03838.029[And] you were a part of it.839.39
649 839.899And I840.211
651 840.615take that seriously,841.758 
652ROC_int_01841.805Yeah.842.108
653ROC_se0_ag1_f_03842.602but.842.928
654ROC_int_01842.961Cause you're and artist. [<cough>]844.08
655ROC_se0_ag1_f_03844.15Like, I don't-845.334
657 846.788I think people make the mistake of like, thinking that pretty girls don't need to be told they're pretty.850.807 
658ROC_int_01851.222Mm.851.843
659ROC_se0_ag1_f_03851.916N-no. Nobody tell pretty girls they're pretty.854.122
660ROC_int_01854.224Mm-hm.854.574
661ROC_se0_ag1_f_03854.583Because855.096
663 855.441people like you, think she doesn't need to hear it, cause people like you think other people tell her all the time, [but really nobody] tells her861.489 
664ROC_int_01860.024[Mm.]860.588
665 861.525[Mm-hm]861.991
666ROC_se0_ag1_f_03861.693[Because] everybody thinks that she's hearing it from some-863.65
667 863.836somewhere else.864.62
668ROC_int_01864.634Yeah.864.989
669ROC_se0_ag1_f_03864.97And865.296
670 865.996then she ends up hearing it from nowhere.867.362
671ROC_int_01867.642Mm-hm.868.164
672ROC_se0_ag1_f_03868.173So if you combine that with,869.595
674 870.895uh,871.669 
676 872.056a career goal,873.6 
678 874.257that874.607 
680 875.553it- it- it only reaches success if someone878.266 
682 878.779likes the way you look.880.019 
684 881.022You could be881.745 
686 882.825good at eighty-five thousand things, but if you don't look like this, [it's like], bye.887.693 
687ROC_int_01886.737[Mm.]887.111
688ROC_se0_ag1_f_03888.574And that,889.11
690 889.455like completely messes you up.891.119 
691ROC_int_01891.357Yeah.891.572
692ROC_se0_ag1_f_03891.861<ts>891.945
694 892.145So,892.514 
696 892.887it's not fun.893.698 
698 894.322But if you can separate895.632 
700 896.042yourself from all that and just-897.618 
702 898.42like I found the art to focus on. That part of it is fun.900.592 
703ROC_int_01900.951Mm-hm.901.436
704ROC_se0_ag1_f_03901.632And I think as long as people wanna photograph me,903.819
706 904.304I'll just let them905.045 
708 905.549until-906.136 
710 907.016until I really don't want to anymore.908.844 
711ROC_int_01908.975Yeah.909.437
712ROC_se0_ag1_f_03909.469But at this point it's about-910.64
714 911.46like, I- I'm not even really trying too hard anymore.914.234 
716 914.425[I take] what comes like,915.987 
717ROC_int_01914.581[Mm.]914.924
718ROC_se0_ag1_f_03916.295people- if people approach me and they're like, I think that918.723
720 919.268you should do this,920.212 
722 920.692like, now I'm at the point where I've been doing it for nine years, so people know that, that's what I do.924.975 
723ROC_int_01925.194Mm-hm.925.693
724ROC_se0_ag1_f_03925.916So I don't have to like926.568
726 926.799run around and- and a- I don't audition for [things]930.014 
727ROC_int_01929.558[Right.]930.062
728ROC_se0_ag1_f_03930.171here anymore. That would be silly.932.247
730 932.849Here like, <exhale> I'm not gonna do that here.934.831 
732 935.404But,935.694 
734 935.953now I just- I kind of like have- I more relaxed about it.938.704 
735ROC_int_01939.115[Mm-hm.]939.548
736ROC_se0_ag1_f_03939.273[And I'll] just take whatever comes. And if it doesn't come for a while,942.071
737 942.867an- um- then I-943.727
739 943.937maybe I'll decide to stop.945.129 
740ROC_int_01946.038Yeah.946.374
741ROC_se0_ag1_f_03947.069But,947.26
743 947.711it's a really not a big deal and it sucks.949.52 
744ROC_int_01949.786Yeah, well.950.611
745ROC_se0_ag1_f_03950.672<laugh> Not fun.952.005
746ROC_int_01952.606Do you have any preference of types of shoots you like to do or [is it all just-]957.766
747ROC_se0_ag1_f_03957.077[I like to get] dirty [like, I like] to959.101
748ROC_int_01958.318[Yeah.]958.691
749ROC_se0_ag1_f_03959.711have weird, /I/ like the weirder the better.961.996
750ROC_int_01962.042Yeah.962.359
751ROC_se0_ag1_f_03963.11I-963.641
753 963.872I- I'm not tall,965.163 
755 965.35I'm not [thin],966.183 
756ROC_int_01965.721[Mm.]965.955
757ROC_se0_ag1_f_03966.341so966.835
759 967.772I'm968.159 
761 968.816fairly like, modified, as far as my outside.971.586 
762ROC_int_01971.726Mm-hm.972.314
763ROC_se0_ag1_f_03972.48So, and then my hair is really short. So it's just like, I- I- even though, you would think that would limit you, And- and I guess it does,979.166
765 979.716but I always knew I couldn't be like a Victoria Secret model.981.977 
766ROC_int_01981.973Mm-hm.982.355
767ROC_se0_ag1_f_03982.388So, in the world of like the alternative, I guess if you wanna call it the alternative,986.537
769 987.031which I also think is silly, but whatever.989.264 
770ROC_int_01989.283Yeah.989.847
771ROC_se0_ag1_f_03989.95Um,990.467
773 991.198it- it hasn't been so difficult really.993.259 
775 994.066I like to get dirty though. Like,995.418 
777 996.62get weird.997.194 
779 997.646I- I-998.225 
781 998.452I would shoot out in the cold,1000.239 
783 1000.719or in water, or I've been covered in baby powder and like, completely topless. [Like],1005.6 
784ROC_int_011005.492[Mm-hm.]1006.024
785ROC_se0_ag1_f_031007.474I've done plenty of nude shoots,1009.655
787 1009.844or,1010.285 
789 1010.868uh, implied nude.1011.847 
791 1012.155I don't know, I just feel like1013.316 
793 1014.131<ts>1014.2 
795 1014.345that's the fun part.1015.156 
796ROC_int_011015.413Yeah.1015.888
797ROC_se0_ag1_f_031015.986And I think if you try and you push yourself,1017.791
799 1018.434um,1018.864 
801 1019.057versus, saying like, nah don't cut my hair. I've cut my hair every time somebody wanted to- me to cut my hair for a- a picture.1025.041 
802ROC_int_011025.302Mm-hm.1025.614
803ROC_se0_ag1_f_031025.642It's just hair.1026.118
804ROC_int_011026.312Yeah.1026.732
805ROC_se0_ag1_f_031027.18I- it's just hair and it grows back. [And so] like,1030.057
806ROC_int_011029.236[Mm-hm.]1029.628
807ROC_se0_ag1_f_031030.574I just feel like if I don't go for it, then1032.699
809 1033.268what's the point of ever having done it, you know. Like, I'm never gonna be on- on a runway on television. But1038.746 
811 1039.413f- for1040 
813 1040.481you know, as far as just like, being a functional1042.43 
815 1043.125model,1043.815 
817 1044.284that's1044.694 
819 1045.048what it actually takes. So,1046.807 
821 1047.679so1048.005 
823 1048.546that's what I would prefer. I like extreme1050.55 
825 1051.152shoots. I'd probably cut my hair again1053.091 
826ROC_int_011053.115[Mm-hm.]1053.525
827ROC_se0_ag1_f_031053.367[if] someone asked me to. If it was worth it.1054.966
828ROC_int_011055.367Mm-hm.1055.964
829ROC_se0_ag1_f_031056.213Yeah. So,1057.183
830ROC_int_011057.976Yeah, I love your hair.1059.095
832 1059.263[You look fabulous /always/.]1060.788 
833ROC_se0_ag1_f_031059.491[Thank you. I finally] love my hair. Finally.1062.12
834 1062.591I hated it for so [long.]1064.078
835ROC_int_011063.856[Really?]1064.479
836ROC_se0_ag1_f_031064.526Yeah, it wasn't kinky and it wasn't straight.1067.01
837ROC_int_011067.159Mm.1067.724
838ROC_se0_ag1_f_031068.059And so,1068.983
840 1069.258I was like, well my hair is stupid. W- like it [doesn't do] anything. Like,1073.439 
841ROC_int_011072[<laugh>]1072.489
842ROC_se0_ag1_f_031074.125I couldn't ever really get a handle on it. I always wanted to- to cut my hair, my mom never let me.1078.223
843ROC_int_011078.236Mm-hm.1078.768
844ROC_se0_ag1_f_031078.8And I just had like,1079.901
846 1080.661big curly hair. And I guess now looking back it was1083.212 
848 1083.594probably beautiful, but at the time it did not feel [beautiful to me.]1086.861 
849ROC_int_011086.33[Yeah.]1086.885
850 1087.248Right.1087.673
851ROC_se0_ag1_f_031087.925I always wanted hair I couldn't have.1089.71
852ROC_int_011090.572[Mm-hm.]1091.155
853ROC_se0_ag1_f_031090.577[So.]1090.936
854 1091.56I finally like my hair now I think though.1093.524
856 1094.302Finally. I think I'm gonna leave it alone for a while and see what [happens.]1097.514 
857ROC_int_011096.931[<laugh>]1097.495
858 1098.083Yeah, let the curls come in. I remember you were telling me a while ago you [were thinking of loose curls.]1103.215
859ROC_se0_ag1_f_031102.106[I love your hair.]1103.253
860ROC_int_011103.626What? [Girl <laugh>]1105.332
861ROC_se0_ag1_f_031104.139[I do love your hair.]1105.346
862ROC_int_011105.593[Thank you.]1106.298
863ROC_se0_ag1_f_031105.701[you have-] there's this picture of you that's on facebook and it was like you1108.87
864 1109.309and it was like1109.859
866 1110.502big. It was- like you had like the [big fro one] and /it was-/ I could like see the curls in it. Oh so pretty.1115.212 
867ROC_int_011112.046[Mm-hm.]1112.727
868ROC_se0_ag1_f_031115.317[It was so pretty.]1116.181
869ROC_int_011115.528[Thank you.] Thank you. Yeah.1117.673
870 1117.911I think it's the same thing of like1119.678
872 1120.581when I was younger I didn't like my hair and then1123.522 
874 1123.694like, not until I cut off the perm did I really know what my hair looked like. You know, [it's just like],1128.726 
875ROC_se0_ag1_f_031128.246[Yeah.]1128.739
876ROC_int_011129.967it's- it was permed all my life. [And then]1132.82
877ROC_se0_ag1_f_031132.303[Mm-hm.]1132.755
878ROC_int_011133.449oh, it wasn't really long,1135.048
880 1135.407but it wasn't like short cut [so it's just]1137.701 
881ROC_se0_ag1_f_031137.156[Yeah.]1137.701
882ROC_int_011137.969stupid weird /one/ (laughing).1139.658
883ROC_se0_ag1_f_031139.845I understand what you mean, I do.1141.747
885 1141.897I don't think anyone likes their hair in high school. I really don't.1144.73 
886ROC_int_011144.73Yeah. I wear weaves all the time.1146.745
887ROC_se0_ag1_f_031147.234I've never had one.1148.475
888ROC_int_011148.68Oh really.1149.571
889ROC_se0_ag1_f_031149.756No. I've never had one. I might try my first one out this week. Just cause I wanna try it. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna snatch it out of my [head immediately.]1156.708
890ROC_int_011155.925[Yeah. <laugh>]1157.08
891 1157.313I feel like that too.1158.488
892ROC_se0_ag1_f_031158.488I can't. I- I just- I've had like1161.226
893 1161.701tracks. Like a track or two glued in, like [for a photoshoot] and I just-1165.337
894ROC_int_011163.985[Mm-hm.]1164.572
895ROC_se0_ag1_f_031165.538I couldn't even stand it for a day, I had to rip it out.1168.606
896ROC_int_011168.606Yeah.1169.141
897ROC_se0_ag1_f_031169.145Feels unnatural to me.1170.493
898ROC_int_011170.703Mm-hm.1171.328
899ROC_se0_ag1_f_031171.346I feel incredibly ridiculous walking around with hair glued in my head.1175.197
901 1175.523And that's not knocking other people who do it.1177.272 
902ROC_int_011177.412Mm-hm, [right.]1178.218
903ROC_se0_ag1_f_031177.85[Like] I wanna try it seriously and try to commit to it for at least a week.1181.243
904ROC_int_011181.271Mm-hm.1181.84
905ROC_se0_ag1_f_031181.887But I just feel like everyone can see it.1183.822
907 1184.19Like, oh my god,1185.188 
909 1185.501how stupid does that girl look with h- with hair glued into her head. [Like],1189.799 
910ROC_int_011189.51[Mm-hm.]1190.092
911ROC_se0_ag1_f_031190.228she has hair an- let in- and that's where like,1193.234
913 1193.966that's what got me.1194.903 
914ROC_int_011195.057Mm-hm.1195.542
915ROC_se0_ag1_f_031195.584It was like mental for me. Which made me feel like it was like itching and I had to rip it out.1200.619
916ROC_int_011200.805Yeah.1201.379
917ROC_se0_ag1_f_031201.547But,1201.85
919 1204.176I don't know, natural hair comes in a lot of different- I- it took me a long time to realize that natural hair can be straight if that's your texture.1209.617 
920ROC_int_011209.641Yeah, [right.]1210.424
921ROC_se0_ag1_f_031210.205[Like], I am not gonna feel shitty because my hair doesn't really curl.1213.034
922ROC_int_011213.099Mm-hm.1213.626
923ROC_se0_ag1_f_031213.659It just is what it [is.] And I'm not gonna feel1216.377
924ROC_int_011214.56[Yeah.]1214.958
925ROC_se0_ag1_f_031216.749bad about it. [Like],1217.826
926ROC_int_011217.71[Mm-hm.]1217.975
927ROC_se0_ag1_f_031218.512It was funny cause I1219.775
929 1220.12auditioned for a black hair show1221.67 
931 1221.831and I1222.231 
933 1222.539was told I- they wouldn't let me in.1224.269 
934ROC_int_011224.474Ugh.1224.95
935ROC_se0_ag1_f_031225.188Because my hair wasn't kinky enough.1226.675
936ROC_int_011227.039Oh no.1228.219
937ROC_se0_ag1_f_031228.586And it was crazy. I was like,1229.947
939 1230.311but I don't have a perm. They thought I had a perm and I didn't.1232.703 
941 1232.885[And like I] let them like, I let them go through my head and everything. Like it was kind of1236.791 
942ROC_int_011232.904[Yeah.]1233.351
943ROC_se0_ag1_f_031237.649demeaning.1238.316
944ROC_int_011238.363Yeah.1238.964
945ROC_se0_ag1_f_031239.826And they were like, no, like, you can't.1241.453
947 1241.92We can't let you in the show. Like we feel like little girls are gonna look at you1245.006 
949 1245.3and1245.692 
951 1245.958they're not gonna see their own hair. [and I] was like, but that's not fair because,1250.33 
952ROC_int_011247.966[Ugh.]1248.283
953ROC_se0_ag1_f_031251.496because,1251.836
955 1252.712like, w-1253.242 
957 1253.491w- how- how could you say that we only come in like one,1256.401 
959 1256.737or two1257.375 
961 1258.283uh- like, [versions.] I don't even know what to [say. Like and it was crazy.] And I wanted to do it because I felt like I hadn't done work like that in a while.1265.878 
962ROC_int_011259.509[Yes.]1259.906
964 1261.398[No, yes]1262.643 
965ROC_se0_ag1_f_031266.605Like,1266.908
967 1268.741it was for charity.1269.771 
968ROC_int_011269.92[Mm-hm.]1270.401
969ROC_se0_ag1_f_031270.03[And] also I thought it would be really-1272.097
970 1272.325I wanted to do it, cause I hadn't done- I hadn't worked with, like1275.417
972 1275.738uh, a staff that-1277.029 
974 1277.197like a staff of color in while on a [photoshoot or anything.]1279.528 
975ROC_int_011278.591[Mm-hm.]1279.188
976ROC_se0_ag1_f_031279.943And I was like, this might be fun. I just wanna like get back to this. I started off doing black hair shows.1284.745
977ROC_int_011284.978Yeah.1285.328
978ROC_se0_ag1_f_031285.738But this one that was like specifically actually for, like it was supposed to uplift and be positive. And it was like1291.761
980 1291.939their whole message was like, we want little girls and boys to look on the runway and like see themselves. And I was like,1296.666 
982 1297.244there are little girls and boys out there who feel exactly this [way.]1301.197 
983ROC_int_011301.117[Mm-hm.]1301.602
984ROC_se0_ag1_f_031302.311[And] you're basically1303.985
985ROC_int_011302.348[Yeah.]1302.731
986ROC_se0_ag1_f_031304.577telling them the same thing. Like what if a little mixed girl comes to this runway show.1307.98
987ROC_int_011308.465Mm-hm.1309.085
988ROC_se0_ag1_f_031310.221She might see one person who she identifies with and that might be me.1313.83
989ROC_int_011314.034Mm-hm.1314.533
990ROC_se0_ag1_f_031314.589You can't just discount that you know.1316.011
992 1316.288But like, that's why I've had like, I've had issues with my hair forever.1319.266 
993ROC_int_011319.266[Mm-hm.]1319.872
994ROC_se0_ag1_f_031319.471[And like], I felt the worst. Like, I wanted to cry.1322.118
995ROC_int_011322.142No.1322.813
996ROC_se0_ag1_f_031322.809I did. I did. Like, I don't know. It was-1325.377
997 1326.48taken me so long to get used to it. I think that's why I always shave it off. [I hate it.]1330.086
998ROC_int_011329.522[Mm-hm.]1330.077
999 1330.417I love [it.]1331.107
1000ROC_se0_ag1_f_031330.93[It's] never good enough for whatever-1332.893
1001ROC_int_011333.093Mm.1333.797
1002ROC_se0_ag1_f_031333.941Whatever. I don't even know what's [standard.]1335.769
1003ROC_int_011335.452[Mm-hm.]1336.231
1004 1336.562Do you feel like, at least like1338.091
1006 1338.957at the- in these like sort of black events that you're still kind of1342.884 
1008 1343.182I guess for, uh, lack of a better word, kind of discriminated against. Like-1347.503 
1009ROC_se0_ag1_f_031347.858Um,1348.459
1011 1349.243no. I never felt like that. [I feel like walking] around with that mind state is1352.729 
1012ROC_int_011350.665[Mm-hm.]1351.159
1013ROC_se0_ag1_f_031353.312horrible.1353.905
1014ROC_int_011353.982Mm-hm.1354.427
1015ROC_se0_ag1_f_031354.79And you're just like an angry Facebook person if you walk around and you live your life like [that.]1358.111
1016ROC_int_011357.929[Mm-hm.]1358.477
1017ROC_se0_ag1_f_031358.545I'm discriminated against, oh my god. Like,1360.389
1019 1360.691no. Like [a lot of] times it's not like that. And I refuse to-1363.749 
1020ROC_int_011361.242[Mm-hm.]1361.724
1021ROC_se0_ag1_f_031364.676I refuse to think that things happen because of that.1368.057
1022ROC_int_011368.207Mm-hm.1368.689
1023ROC_se0_ag1_f_031369.041So I- I don't tr- like, try- I don't try to dwell there.1372.062
1024ROC_int_011372.123Yeah.1372.46
1026 1372.739[Mm-hm.]1373.221 
1027ROC_se0_ag1_f_031372.749[But-]1373.223
1028 1373.626but sometimes it- sometimes it is.1375.336
1029ROC_int_011375.754Mm-hm.1376.192
1030ROC_se0_ag1_f_031376.581And there have been maybe two or three situations where1379.901
1032 1380.381I had to1381.189 
1034 1382.211think about it.1382.867 
1036 1383.467And I was like, you know what, that did happen [because of that.]1386.272 
1037ROC_int_011385.419[Mm-hm.]1385.91
1038ROC_se0_ag1_f_031386.961It did.1387.533
1040 1388.057But it feels really good not to wake up everyday and think like that, so no. I really don't think that, um,1392.587 
1042 1392.923I really don't think that it has been, I mean if anything,1395.101 
1044 1395.815I feel like, in- in some situations, I-1398.759 
1046 1400.871<ts>1400.944 
1048 1401.935hm, there's still- there's still,1403.641 
1050 1404.089places and setups where like,1405.545 
1052 1405.845a token black person is needed.1407.343 
1053ROC_int_011407.699[Mm-hm.]1408.112
1054ROC_se0_ag1_f_031407.968[But] I think-1408.634
1055 1409.237I think and it's funny, cause1410.635
1057 1410.909since we're talking about like, speech and stuff,1412.692 
1059 1413.082I think because I sound the way I do, or maybe I look the way I do, like1416.684 
1061 1417.366I think,1417.814 
1063 1418.303people are comfortable. Like,1419.52 
1065 1420.823letting me be that.1421.808 
1066ROC_int_011422.035Mm.1422.48
1067ROC_se0_ag1_f_031422.378<ts> Like if they need to be inclusive,1424.152
1068 1424.773then if I'm included, I think it sets them at ease.1428.086
1070 1428.874[Because] I don't think they think they'll have an issue. Like,1431.257 
1071ROC_int_011428.911[Okay.]1429.306
1072ROC_se0_ag1_f_031433.114relating to me maybe. Even though everyone does1435.289
1074 1435.415in the end.1435.934 
1075ROC_int_011436.005Mm-hm.1436.529
1076ROC_se0_ag1_f_031436.605But like, it just seems to be easier for people.1438.822
1078 1439.057Usually1439.454 
1080 1439.623people don't know what I am before they see me. And I work a lot on the phone.1442.941 
1082 1443.394I work a lot in customer service.1444.855 
1083ROC_int_011444.91Mm-hm.1445.377
1084ROC_se0_ag1_f_031445.622And1446.177
1086 1446.607it sucks, and I- I've learned to notice that too.1449.69 
1088 1449.835And- and that's why like, I don't think I'll be doing this for much longer, but.1453.33 
1089ROC_int_011453.414Yeah.1453.772
1090ROC_se0_ag1_f_031454.072Um,1454.454
1092 1454.756yeah. It seems easier for people to1456.698 
1094 1457.69relate.1458.214 
1096 1458.414A lot of people- like I've worked in places and finally quit.1460.592 
1098 1461.14And- and my boss will be like, I didn't know you were black.1463.66 
1100 1464.465Then I'm [like, oh.]1465.622 
1101ROC_int_011464.916[/Ah/.]1465.324
1102 1465.806Yeah.1466.054
1103ROC_se0_ag1_f_031467.173[Okay, sorry.]1468.692
1104ROC_int_011467.712[<laugh>]1468.489
1105ROC_se0_ag1_f_031468.895Sorry that you- you definitely hired a black person for the last six months.1472.587
1106ROC_int_011472.703Mm-hm.1473.248
1107ROC_se0_ag1_f_031473.251It's kind of like, haha gotchu.1474.57
1108ROC_int_011474.754<laugh>1475.099
1109ROC_se0_ag1_f_031475.552I'm quitting now, [but gotchu, fuck you, like yeah.] You had a black girl at the front counter [this entire] time and you didn't know.1481.703
1110ROC_int_011476.361[Mm-hm, yeah. Right, right.]1478.159
1112 1480.089[Mm-hm.]1480.487 
1113 1481.84Yeah.1482.251
1114ROC_se0_ag1_f_031482.346And I hear a lot of things. Like,1484.35
1116 1485.2that I- I feel like I almost shouldn't be hearing.1487.292 
1117ROC_int_011487.613Mm-hm.1488.053
1118ROC_se0_ag1_f_031488.139Because people don't know,1489.316
1120 1490.096or they just assume, or they know, but they don't bother to ask.1492.532 
1121ROC_int_011492.837Yeah.1493.161
1122ROC_se0_ag1_f_031493.238And so it's funny cause a lot of times like, I'll hear1496.316
1124 1497.03conversations that happen that1499.128 
1126 1499.771would not be happening if1501.175 
1128 1501.553people thought that I would be offended by whatever they were saying.1504.295 
1129ROC_int_011504.437Mm.1505.009
1130ROC_se0_ag1_f_031505.164I hear stuff like that all the [time.]1507.173
1131ROC_int_011506.744[Yeah.]1507.171
1132ROC_se0_ag1_f_031507.416And sometimes I just keep my mouth shut and a week later, I'll quit, or I'll leave, or I'll1510.989
1134 1511.15leave a project.1512.031 
1135ROC_int_011512.253[Mm-hm.]1512.85
1136ROC_se0_ag1_f_031512.258[Or I'll just] decide not to1513.864
1137 1514.789talk to someone anymore.1515.734
1138ROC_int_011515.858Yeah.1516.195
1139ROC_se0_ag1_f_031516.197But.1516.477
1141 1517.559So it's like it works both ways. Like a gift and a curse.1520.45 
1142ROC_int_011520.54[Mm-hm.]1520.975
1143ROC_se0_ag1_f_031520.864[Except] for my hair.1521.905
1144 1522.063That's probably just a curse.1523.478
1145ROC_int_011523.453No [it's] not. It's amazing.1525.862
1146ROC_se0_ag1_f_031523.866[But]1524.148
1147 1525.87[It's pretty interesting.] Like, how that's worked out.1528.648
1148ROC_int_011525.975[<laugh>]1526.923
1149 1529.296Yeah.1529.67
1151 1530.507Okay, that's interesting.1531.576 
1153 1531.958Um,1532.512 
1155 1532.614<ts>1532.709 
1157 1532.936I wanted to ask- okay so if1535.023 
1159 1535.56modeling is sort of not the long term trajectory, what do you see for yourself, in terms of like,1541.433 
1161 1542.862the ultimate career or careers plural. [<laugh>]1546.07 
1162ROC_se0_ag1_f_031545.962[<ts>]1546.033
1163 1546.481Careers.1547.089
1164ROC_int_011547.134Yeah.1547.489
1165ROC_se0_ag1_f_031547.482Um, I wanna go back to college.1549.095
1166ROC_int_011549.227[Mm-hm.]1549.664
1167ROC_se0_ag1_f_031549.377[I've]1549.67
1168 1550.215fucked off in college.1551.64
1170 1552.406Um,1553.019 
1172 1554.017my mom pressured me to go. She made me apply to Harvard.1557.014 
1173ROC_int_011557.683That's awesome.1558.447
1174ROC_se0_ag1_f_031558.491No.1558.997
1176 1559.242[I never wanted (laughing) to go.] I never wanted to go. I- god I didn't wanna go.1563.982 
1177ROC_int_011559.244[<laugh>]1560.545
1178ROC_se0_ag1_f_031564.598Um, and I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ I think just to make her [happy.]1567.629
1179ROC_int_011567.379[Mm-hm.]1568.093
1180ROC_se0_ag1_f_031568.119But /RD-SCHOOL-3/ never even had the majors that I wanted to do.1570.599
1181ROC_int_011570.768Yeah.1571.089
1182ROC_se0_ag1_f_031571.352So- and now I'm in debt.1572.474
1183ROC_int_011573.333Girl.1573.596
1185 1573.773<clap>1573.907 
1187 1574.457[<laugh>]1575.245 
1188ROC_se0_ag1_f_031574.465[but I'm in debt] for the wrong [reasons. If I'm gonna be-] if I'm gonna be a hundred thousand dollars in debt,1578.518
1189ROC_int_011575.974[Yeah, right.]1576.78
1190 1578.596[Mm-hm.]1578.934
1191ROC_se0_ag1_f_031578.915[I] wanna be happy and be going to school for exactly what I wanna do.1582.08
1192ROC_int_011582.215[Mm-hm.]1582.607
1193ROC_se0_ag1_f_031582.375[Or] be accomplished (laughing). I'm not- (laughing) and I'm neither of those things.1585.338
1194 1585.778I1586.31
1196 1586.478used my-1587.666 
1198 1587.81my loans1588.851 
1200 1589.003to pre-pay my rent1590.492 
1202 1591.076and then I realized that I couldn't work a full time job and a part time job and also go to school.1596.19 
1203ROC_int_011596.427[Mm-hm.]1597.03
1204ROC_se0_ag1_f_031596.43[People who] like, people who are allowed to live at home,1598.887
1205 1600.169are so lucky.1601.117
1206ROC_int_011601.936[Yes.]1602.337
1207ROC_se0_ag1_f_031602.167[Because] like,1603.308
1208ROC_int_011603.382Agreed.1603.748
1209ROC_se0_ag1_f_031603.756They don't have to worry about anything. I1605.533
1211 1606.075got kicked out when I was nineteen.1607.421 
1213 1608.367And I1608.912 
1215 1609.338had to kind of- I ended up having to choose1611.187 
1217 1611.387going to school and also worrying about like, wow I'm super tired because I just worked all day, but guess what, we have a test and I'm not gonna finish my homework because I need to sleep and [like],1620.016 
1218ROC_int_011619.927[Mm.]1620.309
1219ROC_se0_ag1_f_031620.833It compounds and then it just explodes.1623.419
1220ROC_int_011623.463Yeah.1623.819
1221ROC_se0_ag1_f_031623.961And so,1624.849
1223 1625.059I tried school twice. And I quit twice. And then I was left with all this debt.1629.828 
1225 1630.176Debt that I would have rather1631.321 
1227 1631.716been in.1632.18 
1228ROC_int_011632.619[Mm-hm.]1633.267
1229ROC_se0_ag1_f_031632.632[Would rather] have been in1633.823
1230 1634.199if1634.421
1232 1634.513I were learning something.1636.328 
1233ROC_int_011636.817Yeah.1637.183
1234ROC_se0_ag1_f_031637.273But I,1637.731
1236 1638.331I wasn't learning [anything.]1639.95 
1237ROC_int_011639.303[Mm-hm.]1639.914
1238ROC_se0_ag1_f_031640.749And, um,1642.158
1240 1643.058so I wanna kind of fix that. I wanna go back to school.1645.391 
1242 1646.715Probably for creative writing [this time.]1648.852 
1243ROC_int_011648.24[I was gonna] say what would it be [for?]1650.076
1244ROC_se0_ag1_f_031650.049[Or] for English [literature]1651.485
1245ROC_int_011651.295[Mm.]1651.869
1246ROC_se0_ag1_f_031651.781[and] psychology.1652.817
1247ROC_int_011653.218Yeah.1653.457
1248ROC_se0_ag1_f_031654.023I would do those. And I would be really happy doing it. I just-1657.02
1250 1657.568like now I know.1658.669 
1252 1659.085And if I have a kid,1659.972 
1254 1661.133like, I'll just try not to make their life hell. And make them feel like they can stay.1664.888 
1255ROC_int_011665.431Mm-hm.1665.908
1256ROC_se0_ag1_f_031666.013Like if you're not going to go to school, fine. Like, I'm still not gonna kick you out, but if you are, I'm gonna1670.526
1258 1671.074try to be extra supportive of that.1673.391 
1259ROC_int_011673.515[Mm-hm.]1674.098
1260ROC_se0_ag1_f_031673.636[And] like, considerate and mindful because that matters.1677.162
1261 1677.386I would have been-1678.164
1263 1678.849I would have gotten straight A's.1679.987 
1264ROC_int_011680.891Mm.1681.142
1265ROC_se0_ag1_f_031681.357I would have gotten straight A's. And all of the scholarships. And it would have been amazing, but1686.227
1267 1686.872<ts>1686.942 
1269 1687.021I didn't have that opportunity. So I wanna go back and fix it. I'm probably gonna end up like, being a teacher just like my mom.1691.88 
1271 1692.737But1693.24 
1273 1694.066maybe like a professor [I] don't know. [I have-]1696.747 
1274ROC_int_011695.548[Mm.]1695.749
1276 1696.276[Yeah.]1696.668 
1277ROC_se0_ag1_f_031697.642I have a1698.113
1279 1698.424book of short stories that I'm trying to finish.1700.802 
1280ROC_int_011700.807Love it.1701.516
1281ROC_se0_ag1_f_031701.861And1702.504
1283 1703.543I don't know1704.485 
1285 1704.97like, (laughing) if anyone would buy it.1706.448 
1287 1706.861I feel like I'm gonna put it on Amazon, it's just gonna like, sit and like be chilling on Amazon forever. And it's gonna [be like-]1712.21 
1288ROC_int_011711.795[/No/.]1712.243
1289ROC_se0_ag1_f_031713.101You know how they have like the ranks on Amazon. It's gonna be like, twenty-four thousand, like, it's gonna be like, no one's gonna look at it.1718.956
1291 1719.441No one's gonna look at it, but I feel like it's gonna be there,1721.376 
1293 1722.317and maybe when I die, maybe after I die, people are gonna be like, hey,1726.058 
1295 1726.677this is pretty good, [maybe I'll] read this book (laughing).1729.749 
1296ROC_int_011728.34[Yeah.]1728.69
1297 1730.275[Nah, I think people will get interested.] You have a good following.1733.875
1298ROC_se0_ag1_f_031730.674[<laugh>]1731.991
1299ROC_int_011734.135I feel like [I'm /??/ right now no?]1736.783
1300ROC_se0_ag1_f_031735.18[I don't I feel like, people] just wanna follow me because they wanna see if I'm gonna take like,1739.647
1301 1740.047naked pictures, [or, it's- and] I- it's- and I- I'm not going to. Like,1744.015
1302ROC_int_011741.27[Mm-hm.]1741.686
1303ROC_se0_ag1_f_031745.805I don't know. I feel like people follow me for the wrong [reasons too.]1748.298
1304ROC_int_011748.047[Mm-hm.]1748.658
1305 1749.017[Yeah.]1749.409
1306ROC_se0_ag1_f_031749.045[Like], nobody understands. Nobody gets it. I don't know why I have that many followers on Instagram. Like, I'm not that interesting.1754.569
1307 1754.882People unfollow me everyday. I don't get it, but1757.409
1309 1759.138I don't-1759.744 
1310ROC_int_011759.925Yeah.1760.317
1311ROC_se0_ag1_f_031760.565[I never like wanted it.]1762.22
1312ROC_int_011760.579[/I think you could leverage it/.]1762.225
1313 1762.556[You need /to set goals/.]1763.982
1314ROC_se0_ag1_f_031762.574[Leverage it to what? like, that's what I'm trying] to figure out like, [this] year.1765.376
1315ROC_int_011764.732[Yeah.]1765.04
1316ROC_se0_ag1_f_031765.767I need a plan this year.1766.83
1318 1767.273Because I'm twenty-six. I'm gonna be twenty-seven and I don't really do anything. I do a lot, but I also do nothing.1772.998 
1320 1773.52Because in the end like, it doesn't count.1775.302 
1322 1775.991[It counts], but it's not1777.348 
1323ROC_int_011776[Hm.]1776.378
1324ROC_se0_ag1_f_031777.851counting towards a goal1779.381
1326 1779.51that1779.81 
1328 1781.437matches up with my age. Where I feel like I am.1783.716 
1329ROC_int_011784.84[Okay.]1785.208
1330ROC_se0_ag1_f_031784.882[Like], I can't just do shit anymore cause I feel like doing it.1787.208
1331 1787.981[I can],1788.513
1332ROC_int_011787.991[Mm-hm.]1788.462
1333ROC_se0_ag1_f_031788.965but I feel like it has to add up to something now,1790.63
1335 1790.933cause I'm getting old.1791.894 
1337 1792.528So,1792.91 
1339 1793.403yeah. Maybe I can leverage it into something. But like,1795.654 
1341 1795.85when I think about like,1796.779 
1343 1798.374all these girls, with like the huge butts like, hosting everything like, I- I don't know, I just don't wanna do that.1803.982 
1345 1804.364On the flip side though,1805.381 
1347 1805.684I could host something1806.998 
1349 1807.205and it would probably be really fun.1808.7 
1350ROC_int_011808.76Mm-hm.1809.152
1351ROC_se0_ag1_f_031809.292But1809.688
1353 1811.171I just feel like it's incidental.1812.491 
1355 1813.595Like I can if I decide to put makeup on, or do my hair or like,1816.579 
1357 1817.744get dressed up.1818.625 
1359 1819.04[I- it w- it] would happen. And maybe somebody like- if I did that on a regular basis,1823.278 
1360ROC_int_011819.04[Mm-hm.]1819.567
1361ROC_se0_ag1_f_031823.818maybe someone come along and ask me to do it. Like, if I was like a-1826.735
1363 1826.938I'm still like,1828.055 
1365 1828.276not a popular girl.1829.716 
1367 1829.923I'm still who I was in high school in that sense like, I don't care.1832.653 
1369 1833.474And it feels good not to care.1834.714 
1370ROC_int_011834.854Mm-hm.1835.25
1371ROC_se0_ag1_f_031835.561<ts>1835.633
1373 1835.767But,1836.111 
1375 1836.328it's something that I thought about leveraging. I may find a way to use it,1839.856 
1377 1840.281but1840.668 
1379 1840.957I just like really, just wanna be happy.1843.231 
1381 1843.679[I'm- I'm] done with like,1845.124 
1382ROC_int_011843.679[Mm-hm.]1844.308
1383ROC_se0_ag1_f_031846.793uh, everything else.1848.125
1385 1848.276I think being happy is most important now.1850.849 
1387 1851.13Whatever that is. Whatever that looks like, or [ends up being.]1853.726 
1388ROC_int_011853.158[Mm-hm.]1853.74
1389ROC_se0_ag1_f_031854.298That's really all I care about now.1855.902
1390ROC_int_011856.336Yeah.1856.742
1392 1857.171And1857.562 
1394 1858.122do you have like an ideal1859.693 
1396 1860.037school, or place even that you would like to be like Chicago, or [I don't know, /inaudible/.]1865.642 
1397ROC_se0_ag1_f_031865.138[Kind of] don't wanna stay in the States. I've never wanted to stay in the States. I- for the last ten years I wanted to-1870.574
1398 1871.232I've kind of always wanted to move to England.1873.125
1400 1874.397Always.1874.911 
1402 1875.142[Always], always, always, but1876.481 
1403ROC_int_011875.161[Yeah.]1875.441
1404ROC_se0_ag1_f_031876.728I don't even have my passport right now. That's one thing I have to do.1879.007
1406 1879.376I'm gonna- I'm- I'm trying to set small goals. And I think [if I can do] it by the end of January like, at least get my passport,1885.252 
1407ROC_int_011882.127[Mm-hm.]1882.621
1408ROC_se0_ag1_f_031885.434I'll feel good inside.1886.551
1409ROC_int_011886.583Yeah.1887.073
1410ROC_se0_ag1_f_031887.749Like, but I- I do. I don't really wanna stay here. I've never felt like I've belonged here at all.1892.383
1411ROC_int_011892.816Yeah.1893.203
1413 1893.684And by here you mean like, [Rochester? cause-]1896.443 
1414ROC_se0_ag1_f_031895.66[Well definitely] not Rochester, but also just1898.108
1415 1898.387the [States], at all.1899.968
1416ROC_int_011898.998[Okay.]1899.399
1417ROC_se0_ag1_f_031900.476I just, I always read books. I never really watched TV but1903.39
1419 1904.108we didn't have cable so I ended up watching PBS [and it's all like], British television. And I was like, wow like I wanna go there.1909.641 
1420ROC_int_011906.313[Mm-hm.]1906.807
1421ROC_se0_ag1_f_031910.108People sound really nice there.1911.558
1422ROC_int_011911.693[Mm-hm.]1912.066
1423ROC_se0_ag1_f_031912.024[To] me like, people sounded educated and kind and like,1914.674
1424 1914.835warm.1915.595
1426 1915.958They always sounded like they were telling a story.1918.122 
1428 1918.556[Sounded like-] sounded like listening to an audio book all the time.1921.721 
1429ROC_int_011918.556[Mm.]1918.933
1430ROC_se0_ag1_f_031922.108And I was like, that sounds amazing. I wanna be there. Like, (laughing)1925.05
1431ROC_int_011925.442Yeah.1925.936
1432ROC_se0_ag1_f_031926.345And-1927.035
1434 1927.761and then- and then when I realized like, black people can be British too1930.556 
1435ROC_int_011930.891Mm-hm.1931.288
1436ROC_se0_ag1_f_031931.414Like,1931.763
1438 1932.336it's just so, fucking awesome. [Like, when I] was really little-1935.702 
1439ROC_int_011934.443[Mm-hm.]1935.031
1440ROC_se0_ag1_f_031936.071when I was really really little, I thought they were only white.1937.833
1442 1938.331And then I was like,1939.459 
1444 1940.042hey, I [was like],1941.259 
1445ROC_int_011940.676[Yeah.]1941.264
1446ROC_se0_ag1_f_031941.796like the first time I heard Naomi Campbell talk, I was like-1943.803
1448 1944.532I walk like, oh, she's English, like1945.954 
1450 1946.068I- I don't know. And- and-1947.508 
1452 1947.798I feel like it's more1948.835 
1454 1949.869I feel like everything's more open there.1951.809 
1455ROC_int_011951.865Mm-hm.1952.378
1456ROC_se0_ag1_f_031952.425I really do.1953.062
1458 1953.212Seems like it.1953.959 
1460 1954.686I started watching British television and I realized there are so many more interracial couples, just randomly that you see. Just watching television. It's not weird.1961.507 
1462 1961.739Why is it so weird here?1962.821 
1463ROC_int_011962.905Mm-hm.1963.245
1464ROC_se0_ag1_f_031963.497Like why is it so,1964.758
1466 1964.919fucking weird?1965.693 
1468 1966.276Why do we have to still even wonder1968.634 
1470 1968.97about it?1969.459 
1471ROC_int_011969.478Mm-hm.1969.87
1472ROC_se0_ag1_f_031970.21And it's- it's been like that for so long.1972.08
1474 1972.761Um, over there. It's just like an example. It just seems like, some of the things that we worry about here, might not be1978.607 
1476 1979.078things that1979.6 
1478 1979.963people worry about over there.1981.119 
1479ROC_int_011981.138Yeah.1981.473
1480ROC_se0_ag1_f_031982.192[it just seems] so interesting.1983.744
1481ROC_int_011982.192[I agree.]1982.798
1482 1983.749Yeah.1984.178
1483ROC_se0_ag1_f_031984.49I would love to go there. And I'm in a relationship now.1987.114
1485 1987.921For the first time in a very long time. And I just- yeah, and I just don't know if1991.661 
1487 1992.372he would wanna go there. But, I know I'm gonna end up there.1995.038 
1488ROC_int_011995.467Yeah.1995.746
1489ROC_se0_ag1_f_031997.047I mean hopefully he would wanna go with me,1998.931
1491 1999.648but1999.886 
1493 2000.59I have to end up there. I- I honestly feel like, I'm overdue. Now I'm feeling like,2004.773 
1495 2005.905it's a little- not too late,2007.331 
1497 2007.541but now I feel like I'm late for something. I [almost] feel like I'm late for an appointment because like I should be somewhere else.2012.87 
1498ROC_int_012009.635[Hm.]2009.91
1499 2012.996Mm-hm.2013.49
1500ROC_se0_ag1_f_032013.467I don't think I ever should have really,2014.684
1501 2014.963stayed this long [here.]2016.782
1502ROC_int_012016.39[Mm-hm.]2016.991
1503ROC_se0_ag1_f_032018.86So,2019.219
1505 2019.574maybe one day it'll happen.2020.81 
1506ROC_int_012021.341Yeah.2021.695
1508 2022.53So where do you meet the new [guy? (laughed)]2024.613 
1509ROC_se0_ag1_f_032024.539[Oh.]2025.187
1510 2025.919um,2026.572
1512 2027.789we- I worked at a pizza shop,2030.306 
1514 2031.383um, over the summer.2033.103 
1516 2033.947And he delivered pizzas there.2035.462 
1518 2036.11And then he photographed me.2037.177 
1520 2037.994And then,2038.409 
1522 2039.285it was like this weird attraction. I spent so long trying to convince him just to like me.2043.238 
1524 2043.592I had to work. And [I liked-] I liked to work.2046.017 
1525ROC_int_012044.511[<laugh>]2045.066
1526ROC_se0_ag1_f_032046.459And it was just,2047.69
1528 2048.958he- he's younger than I am too. Which is crazy, [cause]2051.612 
1529ROC_int_012051.141[Mm-hm.]2051.635
1530ROC_se0_ag1_f_032052.556that's not- I- that's not my type at all. I can't even deal with guys my [age.]2056.165
1531ROC_int_012055.95[Mm-hm.]2056.407
1532ROC_se0_ag1_f_032056.398Much less younger, but2057.508
1533 2058.281he never felt younger or seemed younger.2060.384
1535 2061.106And I just-2061.698 
1537 2062.365We met there and we both quit. <exhale>2064.262 
1538ROC_int_012064.313[<laugh>]2064.98
1539ROC_se0_ag1_f_032064.747[Cause I] think we both realized like,2066.272
1540 2067.377that we were exceptional individuals and we didn't belong in a2069.772
1542 2070.029pizza shop with racist ass people who ran this pizza shop. [And like],2073.451 
1543ROC_int_012073.041[Mm.]2073.479
1544ROC_se0_ag1_f_032074.989we're like, hey, serve this slice to that black guy over there.2077.297
1546 2078.057And then when I quit, nobody realized that I was black.2080.403 
1547ROC_int_012080.555Mm.2081.04
1548ROC_se0_ag1_f_032081.441Oh hey, did you not think that was offensive, or weird?2085.032
1549ROC_int_012085.088Mm-hm.2085.629
1550ROC_se0_ag1_f_032085.89Did you2086.477
1552 2086.802notice me ignoring you, or walking away when I heard you say crazy shit like that. Like,2091.241 
1554 2091.787it was just a weird, weird, weird, wrong, setup.2095.143 
1556 2095.32And it was like the twilight zone, but somehow we me there. Like,2098.323 
1558 2098.589It was [literally] like a really dysfunctional business,2101.218 
1559ROC_int_012098.813[Hm.]2099.065
1560ROC_se0_ag1_f_032101.651that's part of like a sitcom on TV.2103.489
1561ROC_int_012103.661Yeah.2104.016
1562ROC_se0_ag1_f_032104.053You know like the cafe that- F- that Friends was filmed at?2106.607
1563ROC_int_012106.943Mm-hm.2107.381
1564ROC_se0_ag1_f_032107.376Like what if they did a show about2109.115
1565 2109.391the staff of the cafe, but the2111.144
1567 2111.395staff of the cafe live in Upstate New York and they were just, like racist and [prejudice and] weird.2115.927 
1568ROC_int_012115.08[Hm.]2115.489
1569 2117.05[Yeah.]2117.525
1570ROC_se0_ag1_f_032117.078[And dysfunctional], a- a- [and] like (laughing) that's what it [was.] It was like, do I live- are- er- i- every time I come to work it's like, am I in a TV show right now?2124.668
1571ROC_int_012118.635[Yeah.]2118.957
1573 2119.941[Yeah.]2120.318 
1574ROC_se0_ag1_f_032125.041Is this real life? Like, how the fuck do I work here?2127.61
1576 2128.179But2128.533 
1578 2129.241we just met in this bizarre place and then it's just kind of like developed from there. And I finally-2133.022 
1580 2134.113After like months and months and months of trying, we finally just like2138.01 
1582 2139.144came together.2140.459 
1584 2140.911He finally-2141.62 
1586 2141.926finally listened to me and like2143.498 
1588 2144.183fell into my trap. [No, I] didn't trap him. I just2147.754 
1589ROC_int_012145.815[<laugh>]2146.342
1590ROC_se0_ag1_f_032148.267for once, like in my whole life,2149.914
1592 2150.17I decided to try2151.283 
1594 2152.254a whole different approach.2153.41 
1596 2153.73And2154.36 
1598 2155.987And to- to- just try being good.2158.113 
1599ROC_int_012158.584Mm.2159.023
1600ROC_se0_ag1_f_032159.017Maybe just try being a good person.2160.616
1601ROC_int_012160.714Mm-hm.2161.139
1602ROC_se0_ag1_f_032161.334Just fucking try.2162.174
1604 2162.915And-2163.563 
1606 2164.202and I realized that I wanted to. It wasn't work.2166.145 
1608 2167.143When I look back, it was a lot of work,2169.167 
1610 2170.104getting him to open up to me2171.772 
1612 2172.281over all of these months, but2173.846 
1614 2174.249kind of felt good.2175.111 
1615ROC_int_012175.503Mm-hm.2175.974
1616ROC_se0_ag1_f_032176.016And I figured at this point,2177.293
1618 2178.309if I can't be a2179.693 
1620 2180.752completely good person and just try this and see if it works,2183.926 
1622 2184.341like I needed it to be like, the control in an experiment.2187.269 
1623ROC_int_012187.787[Yeah.]2188.197
1624ROC_se0_ag1_f_032187.792[Like] I need to do this and see if I can do this.2190.15
1625 2190.677But if I can do this,2191.623
1627 2192.262maybe I'm not like, as much of a shit person as I think I am.2195.363 
1629 2195.861And, and then I enjoyed it. And it felt good and it was a lot of work, but it didn't feel like work. And I think when it doesn't feel like a lot of work,2203.591 
1631 2204.85then you do love someone.2206.16 
1632ROC_int_012206.528Mm.2206.822
1633ROC_se0_ag1_f_032206.835Cause if you find yourself like, oh hell no like, why am I doing this. I'm doing too much. Like,2211.339
1635 2211.978w- when it comes to a person, [I don't think] you love them.2214.327 
1636ROC_int_012213.213[Mm.]2213.67
1637 2215.568Mm.2215.833
1639 2217.148Hm. And when you say good,2218.862 
1641 2219.201what does good look like to you?2220.803 
1642ROC_se0_ag1_f_032221.591Um,2222.202
1644 2223.908just-2224.347 
1646 2225.59Okay, when I say good, that's reductive,2227.768 
1648 2228.104but2228.439 
1650 2228.772i- it's also like, an umbrella word.2231.013 
1651ROC_int_012231.041Mm-hm.2231.503
1652ROC_se0_ag1_f_032231.894Trying to simplify it.2233.078
1654 2233.442I guess2234.024 
1656 2234.822just, um,2235.978 
1658 2236.468I hate when people say like2237.731 
1660 2237.866selfless.2238.551 
1662 2239.05[I don't-] I don't think it's necessarily good to be selfless at all.2241.704 
1663ROC_int_012239.067[Mm-hm.]2239.448
1664ROC_se0_ag1_f_032242.468But2242.729
1666 2244.845when you really feel like2245.959 
1668 2246.208you don't want the other person to be2248.929 
1670 2249.754I don't know like, hungry or tired, or like if they're cold and you're just like oh like here, I don't want you do be cold, cover up. Or if you know they're hungry so you decided to cook. Like,2258.272 
1672 2259.513and I was doing all this like, was before I even thought he ever liked me.2262.636 
1674 2263.47[But I was like], You know what,2264.543 
1675ROC_int_012263.489[Mm-hm.]2264.011
1676ROC_se0_ag1_f_032265.219<ts> I'm gonna prove to you2266.431
1678 2267.014that2267.368 
1680 2268.841there is one person out there2270.706 
1682 2271.508at least one,2272.515 
1684 2273.54which means that if there's me, there's more.2275.769 
1685ROC_int_012276.062[Mm-hm.]2276.547
1686ROC_se0_ag1_f_032276.319[I] just happened to be here.2277.275
1687 2278.04But2278.38
1689 2279.717I guess when I say2280.595 
1691 2280.855good, I decided to give what I needed.2282.967 
1693 2283.834Without having what I need2285.513 
1695 2286.039but giving it because I need it.2287.377 
1697 2288.356cause in some way, it is fulfilling.2289.932 
1699 2291.339It-2291.631 
1701 2291.826I didn't do with the expectation that I would get it back,2294.118 
1702ROC_int_012294.44Mm.2294.795
1703ROC_se0_ag1_f_032295.158but I think that's why I got it [back, eventually.] It took w- a really long time, but2299.685
1704ROC_int_012296.501[Yeah.]2296.786
1705ROC_se0_ag1_f_032300.79I think if I know what I need, or I know what I grew up without, or I haven't had.2305.153
1707 2306.776Not to say that the other person is deficient, everyone has different needs, but I think if you just give what you're missing, it does feel good.2313.042 
1708ROC_int_012313.401Mm.2313.769
1709ROC_se0_ag1_f_032314.04Because it- I feel like it puts out into the air like,2316.323
1711 2316.706maybe fucking someone on this planet will give that back to you. Or just is capable of giving that back. Just cause you didn't meet anyone up until now who gave it back, doesn't mean you can't give it to someone else.2327.261 
1712ROC_int_012327.586Mm-hm.2328.118
1713ROC_se0_ag1_f_032328.538So it kind of made me feel like stronger because of that.2330.897
1714ROC_int_012331.354Yeah.2331.755
1715ROC_se0_ag1_f_032332.184[And then it] worked.2333.117
1716ROC_int_012332.195[/??/]2332.661
1717ROC_se0_ag1_f_032333.521It did.2333.987
1718ROC_int_012334.113That sounds like a really good relationship then (laughing).2337.009
1719ROC_se0_ag1_f_032337.34Um, I have to say that I- it's still like, I kind of like embarked on that whole journey for selfish reasons.2342.967
1721 2343.335I did it for self improvement.2344.571 
1722ROC_int_012344.832Mm-hm.2345.187
1724 2346.216I mean- and I think that's what we all do though, at some level. <laugh>2349.088 
1725ROC_se0_ag1_f_032349.797Yeah.2350.305
1727 2350.701I mean you're right, but2352.099 
1729 2353.209I tried to keep that goal in mind and I tried to think that even if I got my heart broken, I still kno- at least know that I can-2358.873 
1731 2359.848I can try to be with someone without manipulation, [or riding] on the coat tails of something else, or like-2365.806 
1732ROC_int_012362.92[Mm.]2363.405
1733 2365.966Mm-hm.2366.575
1734ROC_se0_ag1_f_032369.316Like, I think it's gonna be a- a lot easier for me. I could take advantage of a lot of situations.2374.424
1736 2374.679I could be a certain kind of girl I guess. But I'm just not so,2377.937 
1738 2378.505fuck it. I just have to like,2379.89 
1740 2382.636try things a different way. And it felt good not to be manipulative, or like,2386.576 
1742 2389.177just get what I want, any other way, other than honesty.2392.482 
1743ROC_int_012392.748Mm-hm.2393.312
1744ROC_se0_ag1_f_032393.471That feels good.2394.207
1745ROC_int_012394.43Yeah.2394.878
1747 2395.531That's awesome.2396.352 
1749 2396.678That's great <laugh>.2398.231 
1750ROC_se0_ag1_f_032398.329Thanks <laugh>.2399.392
1752 2399.763Even still if I get my heart broken, it's gonna suck,2402.146 
1754 2402.864but2403.228 
1756 2405.05I still have England.2405.945 
1757ROC_int_012406.463Yes.2407.093
1758ROC_se0_ag1_f_032407.163I literally- I think at this point,2409.018
1760 2411.409I think if this doesn't work out, I'm just gonna leave.2413.745 
1761ROC_int_012414.095Mm-hm.2414.487
1762ROC_se0_ag1_f_032414.491There's nothing left.2415.634
1764 2416.571Which sound like devastating, but it's not.2419.26 
1766 2419.955I just literally think I'd finish up my lease,2421.984 
1768 2422.389and2422.618 
1770 2423.056fucking just go.2424.039 
1771ROC_int_012424.416Mm-hm.2424.789
1772ROC_se0_ag1_f_032424.934And I think that's hopeful. I don't think it's2426.739
1774 2427.256like, oh my god I have nothing without you. Like, don't leave me. Like no, if you wanna leave,2431.358 
1776 2432.463consider what you're walking out on,2433.862 
1778 2434.198I hope it makes you feel like shit later.2435.821 
1779ROC_int_012435.927<laugh>2437.116
1780ROC_se0_ag1_f_032437.204But, um,2438.286
1782 2438.589bye.2439.166 
1784 2439.362There's like a whole- there's a whole world.2441.34 
1785ROC_int_012442.496Mm-hm.2442.943
1786ROC_se0_ag1_f_032443.177So,2443.601
1788 2444.981I'm really hopeful, but at the same time,2447.426 
1790 2447.71I feel like I'm2448.528 
1792 2448.722old enough2449.26 
1794 2449.478to not2450.202 
1796 2451.377fall apart over it. Or if I fall apart,2453.569 
1798 2454.277put myself back together.2455.405 
1799ROC_int_012455.689Yeah.2456.025
1800ROC_se0_ag1_f_032458.035So.2458.753
1802 2459.414A- and it won't be-2460.421 
1804 2461.088won't be the same. When you have to put yourself back together over and over and over again, you never do it the same way. It's impossible.2466.398 
1805ROC_int_012466.589Mm-hm.2467.13
1806ROC_se0_ag1_f_032467.484the pieces don't fit anymore, but2468.981
1808 2469.643the- they just become something else, they just fit into something else.2472.682 
1810 2472.981[You are] someone else, but2474.375 
1811ROC_int_012472.981[Mm-hm.]2473.564
1812ROC_se0_ag1_f_032475.573it'll be okay.2476.268
1813ROC_int_012478.458Mm-hm.2479.088
1815 2479.587Yeah.2480.058 
1817 2481.433Okay,2481.927 
1819 2482.263cool.2482.803 
1821 2483.138Um,2483.611 
1823 2485.027so I guess I wanna turn to asking a few more questions about2488.744 
1825 2489.215your thoughts on Rochester. Like,2491.671 
1827 2492.263um,2492.906 
1829 2496.155what do you feel like are the best aspects of Rochester, or- and what2501.481 
1831 2501.645do you think could use improvement I [guess?]2504.552 
1832ROC_se0_ag1_f_032504.324[Hm.] <laugh> Well-2506.277
1833ROC_int_012506.884If there are any best for you (laughing).2509.368
1834ROC_se0_ag1_f_032509.396There are. I didn't even start to like- <clears throat>2512.142
1836 2512.524uh, this sucks cause I have a cold.2514.547 
1838 2515.256Um,2515.73 
1840 2515.971I didn't even start to like the city that I lived in until I was maybe twenty-five.2519.441 
1841ROC_int_012519.927Mm.2520.244
1842ROC_se0_ag1_f_032520.5And I realized that it's not completely shitty.2522.328
1844 2523.629And it actually is some people's goal to live here. Some people, wanna move to Rochester.2527.452 
1846 2527.955It took me until twenty-five to realize that, cause I was like, ew what the fuck, who wants to be here. Like,2532.552 
1848 2532.738why'd-2533.116 
1850 2533.295what-2533.65 
1852 2533.838no, but.2534.897 
1854 2535.787I mean,2536.304 
1856 2537.675um,2538.188 
1858 2538.924has it's weird artsy,2540.274 
1860 2540.509quirky things. And like, I fit in on that scene.2543.162 
1861ROC_int_012543.358Yeah.2543.769
1862ROC_se0_ag1_f_032544.16And2544.683
1864 2545.213i-2545.633 
1866 2545.982it's like,2546.598 
1868 2547.745our whole high school was like that,2549.316 
1870 2549.629even though like, within it there was still like- there was still like a caste system <laugh>.2553.582 
1872 2553.992You know like, (laughing)2554.673 
1873ROC_int_012554.673Mm-hm.2555.293
1874ROC_se0_ag1_f_032555.442but still, like, it was high school so of course.2557.856
1876 2558.22But [I feel] like there are parts of Rochester that are like2560.892 
1877ROC_int_012558.519[Right.]2558.873
1878ROC_se0_ag1_f_032561.33/RD-SCHOOL-4/. Like they are artsy and quirky and weird and like different. And I do appreciate that about our city. Cause those are the people who would probably talk to me and start a conversation, like.2569.647
1879ROC_int_012569.665Mm-hm.2570.22
1880ROC_se0_ag1_f_032570.351Those are the people that2571.414
1882 2572.174I might find a friend2573.387 
1884 2573.576w- within.2574.389 
1886 2575.208And2575.922 
1888 2576.243there are some really talented artists here. And- and the art scene obviously needs improvement, but,2580.944 
1890 2581.898um,2582.369 
1892 2583.218it's really, like, there are some really talented2585.391 
1894 2586.374artists here. And I've seen beautiful art here and,2588.561 
1896 2589.451um,2589.913 
1898 2592.956I appreciate how affordable it is to live here.2595.474 
1899ROC_int_012595.736Mm-hm.2596.193
1900ROC_se0_ag1_f_032596.388[Because] I know that it's expensive in other places. And I appreciate the fact that I can like,2601.764
1901ROC_int_012596.398[<ts> It is.]2597.147
1902ROC_se0_ag1_f_032602.738split a really nice brand new three bedroom with two other people and have my rent only be three-twenty a month.2608.715
1903ROC_int_012608.738Mm, yeah.2609.96
1904ROC_se0_ag1_f_032610.23Like,2610.575
1906 2611.087you know, even if it's not my own place2613.046 
1908 2613.277and even if it's not,2614.174 
1910 2614.673you know, me living alone, or me living with my boyfriend, like2617.279 
1912 2617.444it's really nice.2618.64 
1914 2619.223You can like, make a home here. And it's not expensive and in other places it's just like, oh my god. like part of the reason why I haven't left is because I've never felt like I've been able to save up enough money to be okay,2628.729 
1916 2629.968somewhere else.2630.752 
1917ROC_int_012630.752Mm-hm.2631.255
1918ROC_se0_ag1_f_032631.474Um, without being in school or2633.032
1920 2634.365just in any case even if I were in school, nobody wants to go somewhere and be broke. Like,2638.202 
1922 2638.636nobody wants to do that. Like I'm done with this struggle.2640.804 
1923ROC_int_012641.101Listen. [<laugh>]2642.654
1924ROC_se0_ag1_f_032642.146[I'm done with] this struggle (laughing). And it doesn't have to be a struggle.2645.065
1925 2645.274It really doesn't. Even if it means that you have to stay in your hometown a little longer which [is what I've] done.2649.689
1926ROC_int_012648.67[Mm.]2649.105
1927ROC_se0_ag1_f_032650.659And I- I'm starting to feel2651.922
1929 2652.477weird about it.2653.279 
1931 2653.987But that's like this year,2655.204 
1933 2655.638cause I'm twenty-six. Like,2656.929 
1935 2657.521you might have to stay in your home town a little longer and it's okay.2659.917 
1937 2661.087Just to make sure like, everything is in line. So,2663.759 
1939 2664.509I have started to appreciate this city.2666.756 
1941 2668.076And2668.444 
1943 2669.134I think it's really great for people who2671.866 
1945 2672.906are at a certain level of income.2674.757 
1946ROC_int_012675.503Mm.2676.02
1947ROC_se0_ag1_f_032676.333I think it's terrible for people who aren't2678.728
1949 2679.05[sometimes.]2679.773 
1950ROC_int_012679.05[Mm.]2679.442
1951 2680.421And where do you think those people I guess live2682.617
1953 2682.878/uh/ generally? Who-2684.267 
1954ROC_se0_ag1_f_032685.073Um, well, when I was sixteen I lived on the East Side.2688.258
1956 2688.649In- in the hood. It was legitimately that.2691.308 
1958 2691.525I hate people say it's the hood and it's like Culver Road.2694.328 
1960 2694.715No it's not.2695.317 
1962 2695.777You've never lived in a place where someone got shot and there are bullet holes in your- in your bedroom and people are chasing you because they want your coat and they don't have one and it's cold. Like,2704.696 
1963ROC_int_012704.654Mm-hm.2704.941
1964ROC_se0_ag1_f_032705.727that is the hood to me.2707
1965ROC_int_012707.065Yeah.2707.391
1966ROC_se0_ag1_f_032707.558And [it is.]2708.281
1967ROC_int_012707.759[Mm-hm.]2708.267
1968ROC_se0_ag1_f_032709.251The hood is not somewhere with slightly broke down buildings which are now trendy.2713.251
1970 2713.861[I mean],2714.533 
1971ROC_int_012713.861[Yeah.]2714.533
1972ROC_se0_ag1_f_032714.878that is not the hood.2716.076
1973ROC_int_012716.514[Mm-hm.]2716.92
1974ROC_se0_ag1_f_032716.528[the worst-] w- terrible things can happen to you in really beautiful places so,2720.714
1975 2721.964um,2722.435
1977 2724.114I think that2725.232 
1979 2727.227like, places deep on the West Side and deep on the East Side are probably like in the city.2731.345 
1981 2731.903Yes [like],2733.059 
1982ROC_int_012732.411[Mm-hm.]2733.045
1983ROC_se0_ag1_f_032733.894but other than that,2734.925
1985 2737.451like the numbered streets. first street, second street, third street, fourth street are all terrible. [Obviously (laughing).]2742.118 
1986ROC_int_012741.594[<laugh>]2742.074
1987ROC_se0_ag1_f_032742.835Um,2743.268
1989 2743.429Hudson.2744.337 
1991 2745.731Even though, sometimes and I don't really have cause to drive down there anymore2750.015 
1993 2750.64I've noticed there's a lot more art over there,2752.314 
1995 2752.705than there was before. There are a bunch of [murals. And] like2755.749 
1996ROC_int_012754.375[That's great.]2755.009
1997ROC_se0_ag1_f_032756.313huge paintings on buildings. And it just- it looks really nice and I don't know if it- that's changed anything, but at least someones bothered to like,2763.153
1999 2763.409to do that and I like that a lot.2764.995 
2000ROC_int_012765.2Mm-hm.2765.862
2001ROC_se0_ag1_f_032765.908And it made me feel safer. And more relaxed.2768.775
2003 2769.349Even though there's like shit going on everywhere, like, when I was there, I was like oh this is nice.2773.628 
2004ROC_int_012773.721[Mm-hm.]2774.192
2005ROC_se0_ag1_f_032774.127[Someone] cared to do this, even in a place that's considered the worst area.2777.834
2006ROC_int_012778.1Yeah.2778.491
2007ROC_se0_ag1_f_032778.678So,2779.126
2009 2779.493that was really nice, but I would say those areas are probably considered the worst.2783.195 
2011 2783.913And then obviously like, the suburbs and Pittsford and Victor and2787.596 
2013 2788.346those are the best.2789.647 
2014ROC_int_012790.011Mm-hm.2790.711
2015ROC_se0_ag1_f_032790.854Um,2791.535
2017 2793.446I guess to people.2794.841 
2018ROC_int_012795.433Yeah. And so, I wanna ask you this question cause I've gotten it several times,2800.211
2020 2800.785when I was an undergrad, people asked me, they were like, is Rochester segregated?2805.372 
2022 2805.987And I'm like,2807.153 
2024 2807.456for me I didn't really realize it, cause I just2810.666 
2026 2811.083grew up in it. [But] do you feel like it's segregated? or do you feel like it's kind of diverse or there are pockets of2816.859 
2027ROC_se0_ag1_f_032811.843[Yeah.]2812.323
2028 2817.698[There are pockets of-], there- there are pockets of diversity.2821.264
2029ROC_int_012817.943[/unintelligible/]2818.747
2030ROC_se0_ag1_f_032821.805But2822.341
2032 2822.733i- yeah. It's definitely se- segregated.2825.568 
2033ROC_int_012825.587Mm-hm.2826.025
2034ROC_se0_ag1_f_032826.495And I realized that pretty early on.2829.19
2036 2831.186And it's, uh, not uncomfortable because I did grow up here.2835.092 
2037ROC_int_012835.311Mm-hm.2835.717
2038ROC_se0_ag1_f_032835.815Doesn't have to be uncomfortable. Um,2837.755
2040 2839.577Unless you make it uncomfortable.2841.129 
2041ROC_int_012841.367Yeah.2841.708
2042ROC_se0_ag1_f_032842.253But2842.636
2044 2843.512definitely2844.417 
2046 2844.989made me-2845.605 
2048 2846.174it- it propelled me to find a place where I was comfortable.2848.911 
2050 2849.727And that's here.2850.547 
2051ROC_int_012850.882Mm-hm.2851.348
2052ROC_se0_ag1_f_032851.39Where I see d- people that- I- I can't live somewhere where I don't see anyone who looks like me. That's-2856.808
2054 2857.395that would make me uncomfortable.2858.789 
2055ROC_int_012859.055Mm.2859.367
2056ROC_se0_ag1_f_032860.174Like just no one.2861.004
2057ROC_int_012861.535Mm-hm.2862.016
2058ROC_se0_ag1_f_032862.519Uh, tha- that's weird. So, I- it made me decide to find where I wanted to live when I was an adult w- w- the areas that I wanted to2870.006
2060 2870.798make a home in. There were areas like this. Like the artsy, weird, cultural2875.665 
2062 2876.043more cultural places like,2877.423 
2064 2878.057yeah there's a shit ton of white people everywhere,2879.927 
2066 2880.123there's white people everywhere, this is America, but2882.183 
2068 2882.668at the same time like,2883.927 
2070 2884.873there's almost equally as many people2887.051 
2072 2887.833that are everything else.2889.05 
2073ROC_int_012889.241Mm-hm.2889.619
2074ROC_se0_ag1_f_032889.773And that makes me feel like,2891.555
2076 2891.748I don't even have to think about oh my god I live around people who don't look like me. Oh my god. Like,2896.109 
2078 2896.878I don't even think about it. I'd rather live in a place that2899.037 
2080 2899.427doesn't make me think about it at all. [If I] could-2901.708 
2081ROC_int_012900.85[Mm-hm.]2901.405
2082ROC_se0_ag1_f_032901.927uh, if I could just never think about it until the day I die, I'd be perfectly happy.2906.085
2083ROC_int_012906.425Mm-hm.2906.78
2084ROC_se0_ag1_f_032907.223So there are some areas that raise that comfort level for me. Although, i- i- i- if I had to stay here, I would end up-2913.732
2086 2914.119I would want to2915.277 
2088 2917.337buy a home. Obviously, like2919.639 
2090 2920.451somewhere really nice. I'd want a really nice house the architecture is- is2924.125 
2092 2924.414better in certain areas. [Like],2926.241 
2093ROC_int_012925.695[Mm-hm.]2926.245
2094ROC_se0_ag1_f_032926.653the houses look less broke down2928.521
2096 2928.661outside of the city. And that's the truth. It has nothing to do with like,2931.352 
2097ROC_int_012931.604Yeah.2931.855
2098ROC_se0_ag1_f_032931.865the kind of people who live there. It's just2934.024
2100 2934.565these houses are really nice. Like there are some beautiful beautiful houses here.2937.991 
2102 2938.625All the old mansions on East Avenue, like, [if I could live] there, ideally if I had to stay of course. I'd live there.2943.958 
2103ROC_int_012940.625[Mm-hm.]2941.05
2104ROC_se0_ag1_f_032944.28But it doesn't have anything to do with who lives around there.2946.299
2106 2946.625Or2946.919 
2108 2947.096the fact that I feel like the city is segregated. I think it's just like,2950.696 
2110 2952.266just the place. I'm thinking about just the house, or just the [apartment.]2956.093 
2111ROC_int_012955.436[Mm.]2956.098
2112ROC_se0_ag1_f_032956.937And that's where I would ideally want to be, but2959.41
2114 2960.434yeah I like this area. It's really comfortable and nice.2962.956 
2115ROC_int_012963.184[Yeah.]2963.461
2116ROC_se0_ag1_f_032963.205[I feel] like it's- ju- it's like the grown up version of school kind of.2966.5
2117ROC_int_012967.496Yeah.2968.005
2118ROC_se0_ag1_f_032968.317[It is.] There's always weird club nights. And like,2971.143
2119ROC_int_012968.34[Yeah. <laugh>]2969.152
2120ROC_se0_ag1_f_032973.03ch- ch- different people coming to perform.2975.38
2122 2975.627Not at the Armory or Blue Cross Arena, but just like, people.2978.803 
2123ROC_int_012979.077[Mm-hm.]2979.468
2124ROC_se0_ag1_f_032979.338[Just] doing stuff.2980.056
2125ROC_int_012980.639Yeah.2981.003
2126ROC_se0_ag1_f_032980.989And they're not necessarily famous, but it's fun to go watch them.2983.922
2127ROC_int_012984.34Mm-hm.2984.844
2128ROC_se0_ag1_f_032985.394So,2985.753
2130 2986.182yeah.2986.578 
2131ROC_int_012987.974Yeah.2988.299
2133 2989.334Okay, cool.2990.411 
2135 2990.853Um,2991.437 
2137 2991.726<ts>2991.829 
2139 2991.903And I guess my last question would be,2993.93 
2141 2994.649do you feel like, [um], people in Rochester, in all your travels I guess, do you feel like people in Rochester have an accent?3002.622 
2142ROC_se0_ag1_f_032995.732[<clears throat>]2996.403
2143ROC_int_013003.142[And they speak a certain way?]3004.877
2144ROC_se0_ag1_f_033003.147[<ts>]3003.268
2146 3003.72[Um.]3004.471 
2147 3004.928They do-3006.06
2149 3006.228they do because I3007.665 
2151 3007.921determined from when I was really young, not to have one.3010.635 
2152ROC_int_013010.654Yeah. <laugh>3011.899
2153ROC_se0_ag1_f_033012.294I- so I know they do.3013.877
2155 3014.031[<laugh>] Especially with3015.684 
2156ROC_int_013014.033[Mm-hm.]3014.703
2157ROC_se0_ag1_f_033016.169being a theater major and then like, doing voice work, which I still do.3020.084
2158ROC_int_013020.262Mm.3020.644
2159ROC_se0_ag1_f_033020.714Outside of-3021.591
2161 3022.234of, um,3022.939 
2163 3023.721obviously of school,3024.998 
2165 3025.203after school I've3026.501 
2167 3026.886done3027.353 
2169 3027.936pretty consistent voice work over the years. And I3030.332 
2171 3030.723took care and not I just sound like that.3032.215 
2173 3032.994Um,3033.473 
2175 3033.651not necessarily because I thought it was ugly,3035.567 
2177 3035.795but because I just wanted to-3037.446 
2179 3039.115I wanted people to remember me not because I sound like I'm from a certain place.3043.264 
2180ROC_int_013043.348Mm.3043.676
2181ROC_se0_ag1_f_033044.728And then like there are these t-shirts- have you seen the t-shirts that are like, um,3048.234
2183 3050.294it's like Shawcross, Boss Sauce, um, something and Murder Rates and it's like a Ro- a Rochester t-shirt.3056.35 
2184ROC_int_013056.471Yeah.3056.765
2185ROC_se0_ag1_f_033056.77And it really is a dope t-shirt. I kind of [wanted one.]3059.348
2186ROC_int_013058.602[Ah, you have] to send me that. I just wanna [see what it looks like. Yeah.]3061.954
2187ROC_se0_ag1_f_033060.448[It's like a picture- i- it's like-] it says like four things.3063.768
2188ROC_int_013063.949[Mm-hm.]3064.501
2189ROC_se0_ag1_f_033064.043[It says-] I'm trying to think and I can't remember.3066.587
2190 3067.212Um,3067.739
2192 3068.206yeah.3068.653 
2194 3069.535And they rhyme.3070.229 
2196 3070.523Like it starts off with like, Boss Sauce,3072.587 
2198 3072.844something-3073.52 
2200 3074.956Oh, oh, yeah, it's Boss Sauce, Garbage Plates, Shawcross3079.219 
2202 3079.693Murder Rates.3080.532 
2203ROC_int_013080.747[Mm.]3081.735
2204ROC_se0_ag1_f_033081.092[It's-] it's so dope [though (laughing). I love it.]3083.628
2205ROC_int_013082.873[Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.]3083.871
2206ROC_se0_ag1_f_033084.061And it was like the first Rochester thing. Like, I see Rochester hoodies, or like hoodies with lilacs on them and I'm like, ew.3089.446
2207ROC_int_013090.005[Yeah. <laugh>]3091.295
2208ROC_se0_ag1_f_033090.132[Like],3090.536
2209 3091.376fuck do I look like wearing that? Like,3092.784
2210ROC_int_013092.797Corn Hill [/unintelligible/.]3094.444
2211ROC_se0_ag1_f_033093.353[somebody's- I look like somebody's] grandma like, carrying a tote bag that says Rochester. Like, fuck that. But I saw this shirt and I was like, oh my [god I need this shirt.]3099.936
2212ROC_int_013098.9[/Mm-hm/.]3099.978
2213ROC_se0_ag1_f_033100.542Um,3101.017
2215 3101.554so, yeah.3102.477 
2217 3102.807Um,3103.287 
2219 3103.889what was I gonna say- Yeah people from Rochester do have an accent and I3107.526 
2221 3107.837have tried so hard3109.446 
2223 3110.084not to sound like that. [Do I sound] like that to you?3112.145 
2224ROC_int_013111.25[Hm.]3111.619
2225 3112.947I'm actually trying to figure out what it is to have a Rochester3117.786
2227 3118.309accent. So I'm not even quite sure what3120.989 
2228ROC_se0_ag1_f_033121.404[I- I feel like-]3122.406
2229ROC_int_013121.404[it is. I mean people] say it's like you say things like Rochester (atypical pronunciation).3124.882
2230 3125.283And I'm like, okay. <laugh> But [you know], that's part of what I'm investigating.3129.833
2231ROC_se0_ag1_f_033127.991[I f-]3128.224
2232ROC_int_013130.187It's what I'm,3130.635
2234 3131.33[trying to say.]3132.039 
2235ROC_se0_ag1_f_033131.418[I hope that] when you figure it out, you think I don't [sound like a Rochester person (laughing)]3136.159
2236ROC_int_013133.954[<laugh>]3135.796
2237 3136.369Yeah.3136.789
2238ROC_se0_ag1_f_033136.784I feel like it's nasal.3138.047
2239 3138.42And I also feel like,3139.385
2241 3139.781a lot of people come from3141.162 
2243 3141.516like, the city [here.]3143.409 
2244ROC_int_013142.789[Mm-hm.]3143.367
2245ROC_se0_ag1_f_033143.675So they're3144.127
2247 3144.62a lot of people's moms are from the city [area. And then they have] kids who are [born here so they kind] of,3149.428 
2248ROC_int_013146.88[Yeah.]3147.472
2250 3147.94[Yeah like that. Yeah.]3149.19 
2251ROC_se0_ag1_f_033149.689sound like it.3150.57
2252ROC_int_013150.769Mm-hm.3151.068
2253ROC_se0_ag1_f_033151.068But it's fake, or it's like an echo of it. [It's not] really the real thing.3155.064
2254ROC_int_013153.273[Mm.]3153.628
2255ROC_se0_ag1_f_033155.767And um,3156.569
2257 3157.273people don't pronounce their consonants.3159.185 
2258ROC_int_013159.586Mm.3160.22
2259ROC_se0_ag1_f_033160.281And people,3161.017
2261 3161.404put emphasis on words- on different syllables and words like,3164.879 
2263 3165.768which makes them sound like they're from here.3167.689 
2264ROC_int_013167.936Mm.3168.44
2266 3168.83And so,3169.618 
2268 3170.038uh- oh do you mean like, Chili and stuff like that, or-3173.791 
2269ROC_se0_ag1_f_033174.121Um,3174.653
2271 3175.968kind of, but like, when you think about the word Rochester,3179.055 
2273 3179.237I say Rochester. I don't really know why, but I do.3182.113 
2275 3182.658Maybe I trained myself to say it a long time ago, but I always hear people saying Rochester,3187.119 
2277 3187.329or Rochester.3188.383 
2279 3188.625Which is terrible. I don't know why anybody (laughing) would say that. But like,3191.376 
2281 3191.953the emphasis is on different parts of it. And I feel like when it is, you can tell that somebody is3196.822 
2283 3197.181either from here, or from somewhere very far away from here and they don't know how to say the word.3200.83 
2284ROC_int_013201.054Hm.3201.395
2285ROC_se0_ag1_f_033202.001So,3202.584
2287 3203.622I don't know, there's definitely3205.049 
2289 3206.024a Rochester accent and i- i- it is the worst.3208.626 
2290ROC_int_013209.045Mm-hm, [yeah.]3209.875
2291ROC_se0_ag1_f_033209.479[It's terrible (laughing).]3210.587
2292ROC_int_013210.387[Yep.] I feel like if3211.488
2293 3211.744some-3212.234
2294ROC_se0_ag1_f_033212.318[<laugh>]3213.339
2295ROC_int_013212.35[like if I did a] perception experiment. And like, put your voice up there, I don't think that people would automatically just be like,3218.357
2296 3218.686she's from Rochester, you know. I don't think /people/ like that would. <laugh>3222.325
2297ROC_se0_ag1_f_033222.243I think when I get angry,3223.693
2298ROC_int_013223.711Mm-hm.3224.206
2299ROC_se0_ag1_f_033224.304I don't know, when I get angry, I end up sounding like an angry old jewish lady.3227.516
2300ROC_int_013227.93[<laugh>]3228.76
2301ROC_se0_ag1_f_033227.939[Like from] Brooklyn.3229.338
2302 3230.108I don't know. It comes out when I'm angry. Other than that, I think it's pretty steady.3233.642
2303ROC_int_013234.494Mm-hm.3235.077
2304ROC_se0_ag1_f_033235.52And when I'm angry and do not think at all about the way I sound and I don't [care],3239.064
2305misc3238.841[See] ya.3239.424
2306ROC_se0_ag1_f_033240.275Bye are you leaving?3241.358
2307misc3242.056Huh?3242.509
2308ROC_se0_ag1_f_033242.616Are you leaving?3243.259
2309misc3243.563Yeah, I'll be back tomorrow.3244.57
2310ROC_se0_ag1_f_033244.817Mkay, have fun.3245.908
2312 3247.571Um,3248.108 
2314 3250.113I think3250.584 
2316 3250.994I may- I don't know, I may sound,3253.19 
2318 3253.351uh, like I have a Rochester accent when I [get angry], I don't know if that's what it is,3257.418 
2319ROC_int_013255.74[Mm.]3256.031
2320ROC_se0_ag1_f_033257.735but3257.987
2322 3258.364my mom grew up in the Bronx.3259.683 
2324 3260.457And3260.9 
2326 3262.262she spent her childhood there. And3263.489 
2328 3264.313um, part of her formative years, so maybe that's where it comes from.3267.763 
2330 3268.332I end up sounding like her a little bit.3269.852 
2332 3270.233[But I tried] really hard to like have the newscaster's accent.3272.872 
2333ROC_int_013270.247[Mm-hm.]3270.769
2334 3273.255Yeah.3273.53
2335ROC_se0_ag1_f_033274.029No matter where I go, like I don't want people to ever be able to pinpoint that. D- first of all it doesn't matter,3280.001
2337 3280.327and second of all,3281.139 
2339 3281.767if I really think about it I guess it's like, unattractive to the ear.3284.956 
2341 3285.217That's probably because I'm from here.3286.551 
2342ROC_int_013286.705[Mm-hm.]3287.078
2343ROC_se0_ag1_f_033286.71[Maybe] other people like it. Maybe people think it's adorable, oh it's so cute.3290.602
2344ROC_int_013290.663[Mm-hm.]3291.213
2345ROC_se0_ag1_f_033291.008[N-] it's not. [<laugh> to me but]3293.129
2346ROC_int_013291.98[<laugh>]3293.101
2347ROC_se0_ag1_f_033293.66I don't know.3294.289
2349 3295.045Like I'm sure British people don't think they have sexy accents, you [know.]3298.621 
2350ROC_int_013298.281[Mm-hm.]3298.995
2351ROC_se0_ag1_f_033299.683So, <laugh>.3300.701
2352ROC_int_013300.984Yeah.3301.281
2353ROC_se0_ag1_f_033303.418Yeah, so, maybe you'll find it.3304.859
2354ROC_int_013305.269Yeah.3305.563
2355ROC_se0_ag1_f_033305.636And I really hope you don't find it on this [recording (laughing).]3308.656
2356ROC_int_013307.753[<laugh>]3309.19
2357ROC_se0_ag1_f_033309.199I don't think you will [but.]3310.784
2358ROC_int_013310.304[Yeah.]3310.705
2359 3311.507Well, [we'll see.] Yeah.3312.709
2360ROC_se0_ag1_f_033311.768[Maybe.]3312.15
2361 3313.026<laugh>3313.679
2362ROC_int_013313.856Yeah, I don't know. [<laugh>]3315.6
2363ROC_se0_ag1_f_033314.653[<laugh>]3315.325
2364ROC_int_013316.481Okay, well.3317.484
2366 3318.191Um, okay,3319.371 
2368 3319.627do you have any questions for me and are you okay with me possibly using this recording3325.143 
2370 3325.618for research purposes?3326.961 
2371ROC_se0_ag1_f_033327.031No, I hope you do.3328.281
2372ROC_int_013328.281Yeah, okay.3328.803
2373ROC_se0_ag1_f_033328.789I [want you to use it] for research purposes.3331.775
2374ROC_int_013329.218[<laugh>]3329.936
2375ROC_se0_ag1_f_033332.63See that's so funny. Like [I just] said research because you said research, but3337.054
2376ROC_int_013334.02[Mm-hm.]3334.346
2377ROC_se0_ag1_f_033337.32it didn't feel3338.168
2378ROC_int_013338.555[Yeah.]3339.241
2379ROC_se0_ag1_f_033338.569[natural.]3339.25
2380ROC_int_013339.688[Mm-hm.]3340.131
2381ROC_se0_ag1_f_033340.02[I] mimicked you,3340.994
2382 3341.432but I've always said research.3342.998
2384 3343.217[And I don't] know why.3344.122 
2385ROC_int_013343.226[Mm.]3343.697
2386 3344.527[Yeah.]3344.905
2387ROC_se0_ag1_f_033344.537[Like it's] so weird. I don't know, [maybe-] maybe that's a [Rochester] thing]3348.23
2388ROC_int_013346.346[Yeah- yeah putting stress on the] first accent.3349.226
2389ROC_se0_ag1_f_033349.385Uh, [maybe] that's. I have no idea3351.357
2390ROC_int_013349.562[Yeah.]3349.893
2391ROC_se0_ag1_f_033351.591but maybe that's a-3352.696
2392ROC_int_013352.919[I mean the first syllable, yeah.]3354.295
2393ROC_se0_ag1_f_033353.111[a Rochester thing.]3354.304
2394ROC_int_013354.584Mm-hm.3355.102
2395ROC_se0_ag1_f_033355.068I don't really know if I count though, cause I really tried,3357.553
2396 3357.973really really hard3358.873
2398 3359.521to modify3360.426 
2400 3361.422my speech before- before it became a pattern.3364.584 
2401ROC_int_013364.859Mm.3365.335
2402ROC_se0_ag1_f_033365.433Before I got stuck in saying things a certain way.3368.015
2404 3368.439Cause I wanted to sound more educated. I did not wanna sound like my peers.3371.81 
2406 3372.524And I wanted3373.251 
2408 3374.154to look different in person than I sound on the phone. I wanted to surprise people.3377.395 
2410 3377.68And I wanted to like have certain things be true despite what people would think [about the way] that I look.3381.973 
2411ROC_int_013381.138[Yeah.]3381.465
2412ROC_se0_ag1_f_033382.561And like,3382.896
2414 3383.516I hope it worked. When I have a kid,3385.181 
2416 3386.024I- I like I favor unisex names.3388.083 
2418 3388.324Cause I don't want my kid to get hired3389.712 
2420 3390.235just because they're a girl or a boy.3391.893 
2421ROC_int_013392.015Mm.3392.322
2422ROC_se0_ag1_f_033392.402Or just because like,3393.502
2424 3394.379their name sounds like something and this is who we want to hire.3396.729 
2426 3396.975What if my child has like an overtly black sounding name and you have to fill a quota.3400.738 
2428 3401.031Don't hire my kid just because of that.3402.636 
2429ROC_int_013402.937[Mm-hm.]3403.348
2430ROC_se0_ag1_f_033403.171[Hire] them because they're3404.164
2431 3404.444good at what they do. [Interview] them, listen to them. Like,3407.591
2432ROC_int_013405.684[Mm-hm.]3406.271
2433ROC_se0_ag1_f_033408.043you know.3408.412
2435 3409.45Or also, don't hire my kid cause you thought they were white.3411.866 
2437 3412.738And then you're disappointed when they walk in for their interview, you know.3416.332 
2438ROC_int_013416.341Yeah.3416.677
2439ROC_se0_ag1_f_033417.227So it's like,3417.796
2441 3418.92that was what I wanted to do by3420.967 
2443 3421.292originally not sounding like I was from a certain place.3424.174 
2444ROC_int_013424.323Mm-hm.3424.784
2445ROC_se0_ag1_f_033425.013But3425.274
2447 3426.081I don't know. Your whole- this seems really interesting. And [I definitely] want to see, or read, or listen to whatever you- whatever the finished product [is.]3433.61 
2448ROC_int_013428.695[Mm-hm.]3429.064
2450 3433.2[Okay.]3433.633 
2451 3433.767Cool.3434.29
2452ROC_se0_ag1_f_033434.458Um.3434.915
2454 3435.511Yeah. I guess I kind of wanna do what you're doing when I go back to school. Just not3439.092 
2456 3439.194specifically. I can't get this specific. I don't [think I know what I want] quite yet.3444.077 
2457ROC_int_013441.814[Yeah, yeah. <laugh>]3443.54
2458 3444.169[Mm-hm.]3444.775
2459ROC_se0_ag1_f_033444.339[But like]3444.78
2460 3445.362understanding why people do what they do is3447.292
2462 3447.478[also] why I would-3448.826 
2463ROC_int_013447.502[Mm-hm.]3447.985
2464ROC_se0_ag1_f_033449.591why- what I'd wanna study if I3451.345
2466 3451.996went back and thought it would make me any money. [<laugh>]3454.64 
2467ROC_int_013454.253[Mm-hm.]3454.951
2468ROC_se0_ag1_f_033455.027Probably won't, but I [think]3456.807
2469ROC_int_013456.673[Hey.]3457.125
2470ROC_se0_ag1_f_033457.059it's interesting. And it'll make me happy. And3459.241
2471 3459.619you seem like you're pretty happy and interested in [what you're] doing.3463.102
2472ROC_int_013461.973[Yeah.]3462.691
2473 3463.394Yeah.3463.963
2475 3464.15My job's good. I don't know. Like, I guess I feel like I don't have the same day everyday. So, I like that [about it.]3470.164 
2476ROC_se0_ag1_f_033469.446[You shouldn't] feel like that. Or if [you] do, like I hope it's fulfilling.3472.568
2477ROC_int_013470.831[Yeah.]3471.092
2478ROC_se0_ag1_f_033472.691[But if] you don't I think that's interesting.3474.538
2479ROC_int_013472.696[Mm-hm.]3473.181
2480 3474.676Yeah. For me that's important. Some people like3476.994
2482 3477.693the tradition. [And]3479.125 
2483ROC_se0_ag1_f_033478.658[Yeah.]3479.125
2484ROC_int_013479.428you know,3480.011
2485ROC_se0_ag1_f_033480.104the [habit.]3480.608
2486ROC_int_013480.416[d-] daily routine.3481.764
2487ROC_se0_ag1_f_033481.781Yeah.3482.108
2488ROC_int_013482.425But I like being able to learn through things and3485.844
2490 3486.411yeah.3486.915 
2492 3487.366Have a different experience3488.933 
2494 3489.441everyday. So-3490.393 
2495ROC_se0_ag1_f_033491.703I can't wait to see what you come up with.3493.666
2496ROC_int_013493.698Yeah thank you, [appreciate it. This has been] fun.3497.004
2497ROC_se0_ag1_f_033495.544[Thank you.]3496.281
2499 3496.999It has. I'm sorry that [I like] lost my voice.3499.033 
2500ROC_int_013499.215No you're fine.3500.139